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2017-05-01 16:29:53	--	Topic for #haskell-ide-engine is "https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine. Still not an IDE. | Logs at http://ircbrowse.net/haskell-ide-engine | API Docs  https://haskell.github.io/haskell-ide-engine/ | POC Hierarchical menus in emacs https://i.imgur.com/n7M9ye2.png | POC leksah integration using https://github.com/JPMoresmau/leksah-server/tree/hie_integration and  https://github.com/leksah/leksah/tree/hie_integr"
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2017-05-02 12:58:16	--	Notice(GitHub46): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #223: Diagnostics & Refactorings (master...diagnostics) https://git.io/v94Yt
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2017-05-02 18:09:02	wz1000	How do you pass multi-word parameters using the repl?
2017-05-02 18:11:28	wz1000	alanz ?
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2017-05-02 18:12:26	alanz	well, the REPL was more of a proof of concept, it is not really a polished thing.
2017-05-02 18:12:42	alanz	So I do not actually know if that is possible
2017-05-02 18:12:52	alanz	what are you trying to do?
2017-05-02 18:13:41	wz1000	I wrote a simple plugin for hoogle. Now I'm trying to test it.
2017-05-02 18:15:16	alanz	perhaps write a test?
2017-05-02 18:15:37	alanz	there are examples in the tes/*Spec.hs files
2017-05-02 18:20:16	alanz	or, if you use emacs, modify https://github.com/alanz/lsp-haskell/blob/master/lsp-haskell.el to add another command, based on the others
2017-05-02 18:20:46	alanz	e.g. https://github.com/alanz/lsp-haskell/blob/master/lsp-haskell.el#L23 which prompts for a string
2017-05-02 18:42:15	wz1000	alanz: How do I run the tests?
2017-05-02 18:44:53	wz1000	nvm got it
2017-05-02 18:50:00	alanz	stack test
2017-05-02 18:50:26	alanz	stack test haskell-ide-engine to limit it
2017-05-02 18:55:14	wz1000	alanz: I got the tests to run, but the problem with testing hoogle is that the results are dependent on the database and when it was last updated.
2017-05-02 18:55:49	alanz	gotcha. So not repeatable on a random machine
2017-05-02 18:56:14	alanz	Maybe just test a result on something that is known not to match.
2017-05-02 18:56:33	alanz	to confirm that the routing etc all works
2017-05-02 18:56:42	alanz	What editor do you use?
2017-05-02 18:58:48	wz1000	vim mostly, but emacs when its a big project and I need to look up types and stuff.
2017-05-02 18:59:32	alanz	ok. I am not aware of a LSP plugin for vim, but I believe there is one for neovim
2017-05-02 18:59:56	alanz	Which is the direction hie is going now. LSP that is
2017-05-02 19:00:32	wz1000	So what are you working on now? LSP support?
2017-05-02 19:00:41	alanz	yes
2017-05-02 19:00:54	alanz	and testing against emacs and vscode
2017-05-02 19:01:23	alanz	Currently focusing on why ghc-mod session caching does not seem to work as expected
2017-05-02 19:01:53	alanz	A hoogle plugin would be handy, I look forward to a pull request some time
2017-05-02 19:03:17	wz1000	Need any help? I don't know much about LSP but I can read up.
2017-05-02 19:04:13	alanz	I am kind of feeling my way. But if you want, take a look at https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/protocol.md
2017-05-02 19:04:25	alanz	and https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp
2017-05-02 19:04:58	alanz	And the heavy lifting in HIE happens in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs
2017-05-02 19:05:39	alanz	I guess I should update the main README, to point out how to use it
2017-05-02 19:06:15	alanz	Things that still need to happen are go to definition, symbols, etc
2017-05-02 19:06:32	wz1000	alanz: Here's the hoogle plugin: http://lpaste.net/355131 
2017-05-02 19:07:06	alanz	Looks great.
2017-05-02 19:07:29	wz1000	Ignore line 54
2017-05-02 19:07:33	alanz	Do you have a fork of the repo? A PR would work best, and you would get the credit for it
2017-05-02 19:07:58	wz1000	Yeah, I'll do that in a bit.
2017-05-02 19:08:28	wz1000	Also, how should I handle the case where there is no hoogle binary?
2017-05-02 19:09:44	alanz	try to find the binary, there may be a function for that in a library somewhere, and return IdeResponseError saying that the binary is missing
2017-05-02 19:11:08	wz1000	I should check for the binary everytime the command is called? 
2017-05-02 19:11:25	arrowsvc	How about using hoogle as library?
2017-05-02 19:11:53	alanz	that would be the best, does it have that option?
2017-05-02 19:12:04	alanz	arrowsvc: long time no see
2017-05-02 19:12:40	cocreature	it does but iirc API just accepts the cli args so you don’t gain a whole lot by using the API
2017-05-02 19:13:11	alanz	except it is compiled in so you do not have to worry about finding the exe, and what it is called on the different platforms
2017-05-02 19:13:31	wz1000	I thought of that, but I don't know how the database is handled.
2017-05-02 19:13:43	wz1000	Does it share the main binaries database?
2017-05-02 19:14:10	alanz	I am sure the database is stored relative to the home directory, unless you tell it otherwise
2017-05-02 19:14:38	wz1000	Also, if we use the libary, we would be responsible for generating the database.
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2017-05-02 19:15:43	alanz	are you sure? why would that be?
2017-05-02 19:15:59	 *	alanz currently installing hoogle locally
2017-05-02 19:16:21	wz1000	If the user doesn't have the hoogle binary installed, they can't generate the database themselves
2017-05-02 19:16:45	arrowsvc	alanz: Not really, we talked recently.
2017-05-02 19:17:03	alanz	arrowsvc: really? my brain is a sieve.
2017-05-02 19:17:14	alanz	Did you get anywhere with that cabal stuff?
2017-05-02 19:17:26	alanz	or have I lost the plot completely
2017-05-02 19:17:40	arrowsvc	Not much, unfortunately. But i still plan to get back to it some day.
2017-05-02 19:17:47	arrowsvc	Got completely carried out by work.
2017-05-02 19:18:05	alanz	well, maybe hie supporting lsp will give some incentive again
2017-05-02 19:19:07	alanz	wz1000: I believe hoogle 5 and hoogle 4 have different ways of searching/indexing
2017-05-02 19:19:52	alanz	according to that recent ndm interview on the haskellcast
2017-05-02 19:21:20	alanz	and:
2017-05-02 19:21:25	alanz	alanz@alanz-laptop:~$ hoogle
2017-05-02 19:21:25	alanz	Error, database does not exist (run 'hoogle generate' first)
2017-05-02 19:21:25	alanz	    Filename: /home/alanz/.hoogle/default-haskell-5.0.10.hoo
2017-05-02 19:21:26	alanz	alanz@alanz-laptop:~$ 
2017-05-02 19:21:40	alanz	so the db is in a standard place
2017-05-02 19:22:26	wz1000	Yeah, but if hoogle is only installed as a library, the user can't generate the db
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2017-05-02 19:27:24	alanz	btw https://github.com/ndmitchell/hoogle/issues/209
2017-05-02 19:27:56	alanz	And they can, by calling `hoogle ["generate"]`
2017-05-02 19:28:15	alanz	But I would imagine updating the db is something that happens offline anyway
2017-05-02 19:29:16	alanz	And it took a whole 2m08s to generate my local db
2017-05-02 19:31:35	 *	alanz afk for a bit
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2017-05-02 20:21:21	--	Notice(GitHub153): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #224: Added hoogle plugin (master...master) https://git.io/v94pJ
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2017-05-03 13:18:18	wz1000	alanz: I need unescapeHTML and innerTextHTML from Hoogle to be exposed too: https://github.com/ndmitchell/hoogle/blob/master/src/General/Util.hs#L169
2017-05-03 13:18:27	wz1000	Should I just copy them?
2017-05-03 13:18:57	alanz	what I suggest you do is clone the hoogle repo, make the change in your copy, refer to that repo in the stack file
2017-05-03 13:19:07	alanz	When you are happy with is file a PR on hoogle
2017-05-03 13:19:29	alanz	if that makes sense
2017-05-03 13:21:25	wz1000	Well, they are just a couple of utility functions, unrelated to Hoogle itself. I don't know if Hoogle *should* expose them.
2017-05-03 13:23:40	alanz	even so, copy and paste of code is normally a bad idea, it means that as it updates your copy will fall behind. Also, if you need to use them, it is likely that other users of the API will too
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2017-05-03 14:03:24	wz1000	alanz: Should I bump the version number in my copy?
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2017-05-03 14:03:46	alanz	may as well
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2017-05-03 14:24:25	wz1000	alanz: In case of no results foundk, should I return an IdeResponseOk or and IdeError?
2017-05-03 14:24:46	alanz	Ok, I would say, nothing went wrong
2017-05-03 14:24:49	alanz	And an empty list
2017-05-03 14:25:02	alanz	I presume you are returning a list of some kind?
2017-05-03 14:26:00	wz1000	alanz: This was for the info function, that gets documentation. So I was returning Text
2017-05-03 14:26:55	alanz	ok, then either "no results found" or the empty list. What happens if there is more than one result?
2017-05-03 14:27:18	wz1000	I'm returning the first one, the same way hoogle does it.
2017-05-03 14:32:55	alanz	ok
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2017-05-03 15:45:03	wz1000	alanz: I pushed my changes
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2017-05-03 16:00:50	alanz	ok, will take a look
2017-05-03 16:11:28	alanz	wz1000: I made some comments. I am personally not a fan of RecordWildCards, but refrained from commenting
2017-05-03 16:16:42	wz1000	alanz: I can't see any comments
2017-05-03 16:17:02	alanz	ok, I started a review, maybe I need to do something else
2017-05-03 16:17:51	alanz	ok, pushed a button, try again
2017-05-03 16:18:49	alanz	cocreature: FYI hie/lsp uses ghc-mod underneath, so is cabal-aware, for flycheck
2017-05-03 16:19:02	cocreature	alanz: I know :)
2017-05-03 16:19:14	alanz	thought so, just checking
2017-05-03 16:36:09	wz1000	alanz: I made the changes
2017-05-03 16:37:56	alanz	merged, thanks
2017-05-03 16:38:01	--	Notice(GitHub63): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #224: Added hoogle plugin (master...master) https://git.io/v94pJ
2017-05-03 16:38:06	--	Notice(GitHub152): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/v90sk
2017-05-03 16:38:06	--	Notice(GitHub152): haskell-ide-engine/master 1a5faeb Zubin Duggal: Added hoogle plugin
2017-05-03 16:38:06	--	Notice(GitHub152): haskell-ide-engine/master 56fd285 Zubin Duggal: Changed hoogle plugin to use library instead of binary
2017-05-03 16:38:06	--	Notice(GitHub152): haskell-ide-engine/master 8e7682e Zubin Duggal: Refactored hoogle plugin
2017-05-03 16:43:56	wz1000	For go-to definition, we will have to use ghci's :info, because ghc-mod's info doesn't report the location in a file for some reason.
2017-05-03 16:50:14	alanz	yes, but have a look at what the code does inside ghci, and see how we can do it, given we have a GhcMonad session.
2017-05-03 16:50:42	alanz	I suspect it would make sense to make a hie-lsp-plugin, to put these kinds of commands into
2017-05-03 16:50:56	alanz	or extend the ghc-mod one
2017-05-03 16:51:28	alanz	because ghc-mod is going to break apart into more than one package in the near future, so the features in it will be different
2017-05-03 16:55:38	cocreature	how near is that future? it’s been a while since I’ve heard about it and I can’t find the ghc-mod-core repo anyomre
2017-05-03 16:58:33	alanz	well, current hie is using the core
2017-05-03 16:58:55	alanz	it is all still in one repo, but look in the cabal file on master
2017-05-03 17:03:32	cocreature	ah nice
2017-05-03 17:32:02	wz1000	alanz: parseName :: GhcMonad m => String -> m [Name]
2017-05-03 17:32:17	wz1000	A Name might contain the location
2017-05-03 17:32:35	wz1000	as a SrcSpan
2017-05-03 17:32:52	alanz	what do you have, and what are you looking for?
2017-05-03 17:33:27	alanz	because it may be simplest to use the HaRe API
2017-05-03 17:33:52	wz1000	For the go-to definition
2017-05-03 17:35:09	alanz	so we have a location in the file, for the symbol?
2017-05-03 17:35:24	wz1000	Yeah
2017-05-03 17:35:55	alanz	what does the :type-at code do in ghci? or intero, it is the same.
2017-05-03 17:36:18	alanz	Pretty sure it will have that info, but is discarding it
2017-05-03 17:38:34	alanz	wz1000: see https://github.com/ghc/ghc/blob/master/ghc/GHCi/UI.hs#L1856
2017-05-03 17:38:38	wz1000	parseName will give us the location in the file..
2017-05-03 17:40:26	wz1000	The Name has everything we need.
2017-05-03 17:43:52	alanz	ok
2017-05-03 17:45:06	wz1000	alanz: IdeM is an instance of GhcMonad, right?
2017-05-03 17:45:20	alanz	except you don't know the location, and it could be aliased
2017-05-03 17:45:30	alanz	And yes, IdeM is GhcMonad
2017-05-03 17:46:01	wz1000	alanz: https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/8.0.1/docs/html/libraries/ghc-8.0.1/src/Name.html#Name
2017-05-03 17:47:13	alanz	that is where it comesfrom. If you do "parseName" it only returns top level names in scope.
2017-05-03 17:47:26	alanz	Not e.g a function defined in a subsidiary where clause
2017-05-03 17:48:30	alanz	So take a look at that typeAt link I just posted, that will give a better process, I think
2017-05-03 17:48:51	wz1000	Ah
2017-05-03 17:49:02	alanz	even if just to get the name at the location, so you can use that for the definition as you propose
2017-05-03 17:50:21	wz1000	What is the syntax for :type-at
2017-05-03 17:51:03	alanz	I think you have to do "set +c" first, or something
2017-05-03 17:51:52	alanz	it is in the "hidden commands" section
2017-05-03 17:52:00	alanz	of that UI link I pasted
2017-05-03 17:52:42	alanz	in fact :loc-at might do it, see https://github.com/ghc/ghc/blob/master/ghc/GHCi/UI.hs#L1877
2017-05-03 17:52:47	alanz	Not sure what it does,
2017-05-03 17:53:05	alanz	Or, look in the intero sources, they are an enhancement of ghci
2017-05-03 18:06:04	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/commercialhaskell/intero/blob/master/src/GhciFind.hs#L238
2017-05-03 18:06:12	wz1000	I think this is what we need
2017-05-03 18:06:28	alanz	looks good
2017-05-03 18:07:10	alanz	I was thinking of doing a PR onto Intero to expose a library interface too, so we could link it in and use the funcs in it directly
2017-05-03 18:08:24	alanz	and/or merge the intero stuff back into mainline GHC ghci
2017-05-03 21:10:13	alanz	wz1000: I suggest you enable https://circleci.com/ for your branch. I see your PR did not pass tests there.
2017-05-03 21:10:23	alanz	I have just pushed something that I hope will fix it
2017-05-03 21:10:51	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/commit/92c15f405492fbb3f4bcf554e8136d75b3081fa2
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2017-05-04 12:11:54	wz1000	alanz: I improved the test to hopefully be more robust: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/d36b8a3f61823cf823d62267c92f0377ab5c7964
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2017-05-04 15:57:48	--	Notice(GitHub108): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #227: Fix tests (master...master) https://git.io/v9udw
2017-05-04 16:32:43	--	Notice(GitHub118): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #227: Fix tests (master...master) https://git.io/v9udw
2017-05-04 16:32:43	--	Notice(GitHub79): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 19 new commits to master: https://git.io/v9uNH
2017-05-04 16:32:43	--	Notice(GitHub79): haskell-ide-engine/master c689e86 Alan Zimmerman: Add delete definition refactoring
2017-05-04 16:32:43	--	Notice(GitHub79): haskell-ide-engine/master 8c22a38 Alan Zimmerman: Add generalise applicative refactoring
2017-05-04 16:32:43	--	Notice(GitHub79): haskell-ide-engine/master d364058 Alan Zimmerman: Enable -Wall for ghc-mod check function
2017-05-04 16:32:43	--	Notice(GitHub114): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #223: Diagnostics & Refactorings (master...diagnostics) https://git.io/v94Yt
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2017-05-05 20:11:56	alanz	kritzcreek: how is your language server going?
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2017-05-05 22:34:45	kritzcreek	alanz: I haven't made any progress. I'm hoping to get back to it this weekend but I'm still wondering about how I can set it up in a way that I can quickly test the changes I'm making
2017-05-05 22:35:23	kritzcreek	I'd prefer a tcp server over stdio I think, so I could connect to the running server from a repl and issue commands
2017-05-05 22:35:30	alanz	well, for me messing with the example server in haskell-lsp it goes pretty quickly, from stack install to run
2017-05-05 22:37:04	kritzcreek	I also still need to figure out how to make a purescript lsp for emacs, so that I don't have to destroy the setup I'm using to edit the actual language server :D
2017-05-05 22:37:16	kritzcreek	right now it still takes over haskell-mode for me ^^
2017-05-05 22:50:38	alanz	yes, that came in with the last PR that went in.
2017-05-05 22:51:06	alanz	Which does not work properly, it needs to be opt-in, not opt-out for the moment.
2017-05-05 22:51:20	alanz	kritzcreek: ^^^ (been away for a bit)
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2017-05-07 09:59:20	wz1000	alanz: My PR to hoogle was accepted: https://github.com/ndmitchell/hoogle/pull/210#issuecomment-299669287
2017-05-07 09:59:24	--	Notice(GitHub98): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #228: Using hoogle release 5.0.12 (master...master) https://git.io/v9wRE
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2017-05-07 13:46:49	alanz	wz1000: great
2017-05-07 14:01:28	--	Notice(GitHub79): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/v9w2Z
2017-05-07 14:01:28	--	Notice(GitHub79): haskell-ide-engine/master b52497f Zubin Duggal: Changed hie-hoogle to match changes in hoogle
2017-05-07 14:01:29	--	Notice(GitHub79): haskell-ide-engine/master 1f66f33 Zubin Duggal: Updated stack.yaml to use official hoogle
2017-05-07 14:01:29	--	Notice(GitHub79): haskell-ide-engine/master 6cb5d5b Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #228 from wz1000/master...
2017-05-07 14:01:47	--	Notice(GitHub150): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #228: Using hoogle release 5.0.12 (master...master) https://git.io/v9wRE
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2017-05-07 15:35:35	--	Notice(GitHub172): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #229: Update Stackage nightly (master...stackage-nightly) https://git.io/v9ww4
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2017-05-07 17:57:56	--	Notice(GitHub68): haskell-ide-engine/master 43aacc3 Alan Zimmerman: Open a new log file for each running instance...
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2017-05-07 17:57:59	--	Notice(GitHub50): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #229: Update Stackage nightly (master...stackage-nightly) https://git.io/v9ww4
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2017-05-08 14:45:42	bennofs	Has the LSP backend been merged into upstream HIE?
2017-05-08 14:45:52	bennofs	seems like alanz's repo doesn't have a lsp branch anymore
2017-05-08 14:46:17	alanz	bennofs: it is in the upstream now
2017-05-08 14:46:31	alanz	I guess I should update some of the docs
2017-05-08 14:47:20	bennofs	alanz: also are the haskell lsp forks for emacs still required (like https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp)?
2017-05-08 14:47:38	bennofs	oh sorry, that seems to something different
2017-05-08 14:48:05	alanz	For emacs you need the current master from lsp-mode, and my fork of lsp-haskell
2017-05-08 14:48:15	alanz	I need to do a PR on the lsp-haskell one
2017-05-08 14:48:38	alanz	Things are changing quite fast, but should be stabilising soon
2017-05-08 14:49:38	bennofs	alanz: ok thanks! one last question: does haskell ide engine deal with multiple ghc versions, like intero does (intero auto-installs a matching backend based on resolver in stack settings)
2017-05-08 14:50:05	alanz	no.
2017-05-08 14:50:22	alanz	It currently builds against a specific stack version, for GHC 8.0.2 only
2017-05-08 14:50:40	alanz	The plan is to first make it work, then make it general.
2017-05-08 14:50:54	bennofs	ok ;)
2017-05-08 14:50:55	alanz	And it is unlikely to support anything before GHC 8.0
2017-05-08 14:51:19	alanz	due to using overloadedrecordfields in haskell-lsp
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2017-05-08 17:49:30	wz1000	alanz: What is the difference between LanguageContextData.resSendResponse and LanguageContextData.resLspFuncs.sendFunc?
2017-05-08 17:54:25	alanz	wz1000: I think they are the same, but resSendResponse is used inside the LSP library, the LspFuncs one is handed over to the user of the library in the handler call for sending the reply.
2017-05-08 17:54:58	alanz	So it is internal vs external usage/access
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2017-05-08 19:07:57	wz1000	alanz: How does the client differentiate between errors and proper responses?
2017-05-08 19:09:14	alanz	Either the error part or the result part of the reply message is populated. Not both. See https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/protocol.md
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2017-05-09 16:08:14	wz1000	alanz: Why are so many superfluous type annotations necessary?
2017-05-09 16:08:56	wz1000	In J._params (req :: J.RenameRequest), ghc already knows req :: J.RenameRequest because of the bind.
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2017-05-09 16:42:11	alanz	wz1000: we are using overloaded record fields, inference does not work for them. Which is a pity.
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2017-05-11 18:30:56	wz1000	alanz: What is the diagnostic code supposed to represent?
2017-05-11 18:32:07	alanz	It belongs to the relevant compiler, so could be an error code or some such. It is optional
2017-05-11 18:32:43	wz1000	Ah
2017-05-11 18:33:53	wz1000	Instead of passing around so many bytestrings, wouldn't it be better to parse them as soon as they are encountered?
2017-05-11 18:36:37	alanz	in which direction?
2017-05-11 18:36:37	alanz	And this thing is by no means optimal at the moment
2017-05-11 18:36:37	alanz	One thing I want to revisit is to not serialise everything to JSON as it goes through the HIE dispatcher, only to be deserialised and then reserialised at the transport layer
2017-05-11 18:38:13	wz1000	Wouldn't that call for haskell-lsp to be basically integrated into haskell-ide-engine?
2017-05-11 18:40:25	alanz	not necessarily
2017-05-11 18:40:44	alanz	But I am also considering changing the orientation completely to do that
2017-05-11 18:41:23	alanz	HIE was always conceived (by me anyway) to be a back end to a protocol talking to an IDE, I originally envisaged omnisharp
2017-05-11 18:41:28	alanz	Which became LSP
2017-05-11 18:41:50	alanz	So to be relevant it has to focus on actually doing that, otherwise it is just a toy
2017-05-11 18:42:18	alanz	So I would rather strip it down to something useful, which can then grow out again as needs arise
2017-05-11 18:42:48	alanz	That said, I think most of it can stay, we just need to look honestly at how it hangs together and decide on the best path
2017-05-11 18:43:44	alanz	e.g. the haskell-lsp datatypes should be used directly, instead of the shadow types currently in HIE. Which came in while checking if it would work at all
2017-05-11 18:46:46	wz1000	Which shadow types in HIE?
2017-05-11 18:47:58	wz1000	You mean changing stuff like ChannelRequest/Response into their lsp counterparts?
2017-05-11 18:59:21	alanz	no, I put extra versions of Position, Range, etc into the HIE base types
2017-05-11 19:26:58	wz1000	what about changing Bytestring in the sendX functions to ToJson a => a
2017-05-11 19:28:30	alanz	yes, that makes sense. Something I have had on my mental list too
2017-05-11 19:32:54	alanz	wz1000: I just mailed haskell-cafe to see if anyone would care about an internal rearchitecture of HIE
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2017-05-11 21:29:53	wz1000	alanz: If we make lenses for the types, that should get rid of all the boilerplate(including type annotation) unpacking them, right?
2017-05-11 21:44:27	alanz	I don't know. But the naming is chosen to be lens friendly, so give it a go
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2017-05-11 22:37:03	wz1000	DataTypesJSON takes forever to compile. It will probably take even longer once we start deriving lenses.
2017-05-11 22:38:29	alanz	yes. I hate TH, because it is opaque and takes forever
2017-05-11 22:38:50	alanz	but, it should only have to happen once, and is then buried in the library
2017-05-11 22:39:39	wz1000	Isn't there something we can do to make it faster? Turn off optimisations and utilize more threads?
2017-05-11 22:39:47	alanz	no idea.
2017-05-11 22:40:12	alanz	For me the library has now stabilised, so it no longer affects me much
2017-05-11 22:40:36	alanz	A possibility is to break it into smaller pieces, so that working on it is not so painful
2017-05-11 22:41:29	alanz	perhaps based around the sequence in https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/7c042e9d04825225fefde0298a73c3e45168d536/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Messages.hs
2017-05-11 22:41:37	alanz	which reminds me, I must make a PR
2017-05-11 23:05:01	wz1000	alanz: http://lpaste.net/355435
2017-05-11 23:05:29	alanz	nice
2017-05-11 23:05:44	alanz	I was hoping it would turn out like that
2017-05-11 23:06:33	alanz	Off course we trade off explicite type casts for impossible error messages :)
2017-05-11 23:08:56	wz1000	Hopefully we won't have to add back to many type annotations once all the lenses are derived.
2017-05-11 23:19:41	wz1000	alanz: Why does stack compile haskell-lsp twice? Once when it is building haskell-lsp and then again when building lsp-hello
2017-05-11 23:24:03	wz1000	btw, --fast does seem to help quite a bit
2017-05-11 23:26:47	alanz	I think it is the source directories, need to make lsp-hello only have its own source-dir, and use haskell-lsp as a library
2017-05-11 23:37:18	wz1000	alanz: Where should I put additional lenses? DataTypesJSON?
2017-05-11 23:38:32	alanz	What do you mean additional? I presume you will makeLens for each type in DataTypesJSON (and Capabilities)
2017-05-11 23:39:04	alanz	To me keeping everything to do with a particular type close together makes sense
2017-05-11 23:40:47	wz1000	I was thinking of naming the optic for J.params . non (error "impossible") since it's being used so frequently.
2017-05-11 23:45:07	alanz	ok, put them wherever it makes sense to you, I do not have a strong feeling
2017-05-11 23:46:47	alanz	Maybe in Utility?
2017-05-11 23:51:13	wz1000	Can't do that. It becomes cyclic because DataTypesJSON depends on Utility
2017-05-11 23:53:50	alanz	ok, put it in DataTypesJSON, it is not critical
2017-05-11 23:54:00	wz1000	Can't because TH
2017-05-11 23:54:03	alanz	and then at least it is together with the rest
2017-05-11 23:54:23	alanz	oh, stage restriction. Make a new module if you have to
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2017-05-12 00:06:01	wz1000	alanz: the lens TH trips up on _data fields because you can't name a variable data.
2017-05-12 00:11:13	wz1000	Also on _type
2017-05-12 00:20:46	wz1000	Did you write DataTypesJSON by hand, or did you use some kind of macro?
2017-05-12 00:25:48	alanz	I wrote it by hand. And I remember the type and data thing, another reason for the underscore
2017-05-12 00:26:09	alanz	It will have to have an additional prefix for those too, and drop it in the TH gen
2017-05-12 00:27:15	alanz	or can the lens generation have a name change in it, with special params?
2017-05-12 00:28:18	wz1000	It can
2017-05-12 00:29:41	alanz	well, maybe do it in the lens, so existing code does not have to change
2017-05-12 00:30:02	wz1000	Yeah, I'll try to figure the lens rules out
2017-05-12 00:30:08	alanz	Although it probably does not really matter, it does not have hundreds of users, and is changing all the time anyway
2017-05-12 00:30:52	alanz	We already have some exceptions needing prefix dropping in the TH
2017-05-12 00:31:13	wz1000	Yeah, I saw some of them.
2017-05-12 00:31:16	alanz	So it might makes sense to just have another one, and keep the lens straightforward
2017-05-12 00:31:31	alanz	One place to look only for funnies. Or one type of funny rather
2017-05-12 00:31:49	wz1000	OK
2017-05-12 00:32:00	alanz	simple is better.
2017-05-12 00:32:09	alanz	One is simpler than two
2017-05-12 00:33:03	wz1000	btw, is DataTypesJSON complete wrt LSP?
2017-05-12 00:33:28	alanz	I think so.
2017-05-12 00:33:54	alanz	It is intended to be (well, split over ClientCapabilities too)
2017-05-12 00:34:38	alanz	And that is why I made https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/19, to make it easier to cross check
2017-05-12 00:43:58	wz1000	We'll have to manually merge that with my fork
2017-05-12 00:47:17	alanz	no problem, we can land them in either order
2017-05-12 00:47:42	alanz	I've been travelling, meant to put in a PR for that before I left
2017-05-12 00:49:06	alanz	And those changes I made are bringing the data types in line with the spec. There were lots of exceptions
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2017-05-12 15:16:33	wz1000	alanz: Should I rename _type and _data to _xtype and _xdata?
2017-05-12 15:17:31	alanz	yes, sounds fine
2017-05-12 15:26:40	wz1000	Should I change lspOptions or change it individually wherever it is required?
2017-05-12 15:31:31	alanz	change it individually. We already have some exceptions
2017-05-12 15:49:45	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-lsp/commit/d823af3d2a2fcdad8918f8d9afc0493320c3cefe
2017-05-12 15:59:55	alanz	looks good
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2017-05-20 12:33:20	wz1000	alanz: How do I start using spacemacs with lsp?
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2017-05-20 14:12:01	alanz	wz1000: I just put this https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell#installation into dotspacemacs/user-config in .spacemacs
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2017-05-23 12:19:22	wz1000	alanz: Should I merge this commit? https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-lsp/commit/d823af3d2a2fcdad8918f8d9afc0493320c3cefe
2017-05-23 12:20:29	alanz	hold on ..
2017-05-23 12:22:18	alanz	Make a PR and I will merge it, then we must rebase my default-req-messages branch and PR it too
2017-05-23 12:23:01	wz1000	OK
2017-05-23 12:24:14	wz1000	Done
2017-05-23 12:27:05	alanz	merged
2017-05-23 12:54:50	alanz	wz1000: can you set up circleci for your fork, I got this: https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-lsp/19
2017-05-23 13:03:07	wz1000	Done. But why does the test need lens? lens is already a dependency for the example and library
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2017-05-23 13:12:25	alanz	who knows
2017-05-23 13:12:44	alanz	I'll wait for the build to finish before merging this time
2017-05-23 13:27:23	wz1000	alanz: It passed
2017-05-23 13:27:42	alanz	ok, merged
2017-05-23 13:30:40	wz1000	We remove lens from extra-deps on stack.yml now, the version I needed is now on lts 8.15
2017-05-23 13:31:28	wz1000	s/We/We can/g
2017-05-23 13:31:40	alanz	ok, sounds good
2017-05-23 13:32:11	alanz	HIE has been building against stackage nightly, not sure if that is still necessary
2017-05-23 13:55:25	wz1000	alanz: I tried changing HIE's stack.yml to use the most recent version of haskell-lsp, but I can't get it to build because of a lens verssion conflict with hie-docs-generator, even though that doesn't depend on lens
2017-05-23 13:56:13	alanz	What stack.yaml are you using?
2017-05-23 13:56:21	alanz	let me take a look
2017-05-23 13:57:17	alanz	and what branch of hie? My current branch is building against my PR on haskell-lsp
2017-05-23 13:58:55	wz1000	master
2017-05-23 13:59:47	alanz	ok
2017-05-23 14:01:01	alanz	and "most recent version of haskell-lsp" is master after your merge?
2017-05-23 14:01:12	wz1000	Yeah
2017-05-23 14:01:20	wz1000	c2be70
2017-05-23 14:04:21	alanz	Ok, the problem is that the current master is building against https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/compare/default-req-messages
2017-05-23 14:04:46	alanz	So I suspect you will have issues regardless.
2017-05-23 14:04:49	alanz	Will check
2017-05-23 14:06:51	wz1000	Ok, so lets figure it out once that branch is merged with master
2017-05-23 14:09:41	alanz	We are building using https://www.stackage.org/nightly-2017-05-07, which has lens-4.15.1
2017-05-23 14:09:51	alanz	What does haskell-lsp require?
2017-05-23 14:11:04	alanz	You set it to lens >= 4.15.2
2017-05-23 14:11:08	wz1000	4.15.2
2017-05-23 14:11:27	alanz	Does it actually need that high version? Why not just 4.15?
2017-05-23 14:12:06	alanz	and perhaps look at bumping the nightly for hie anyway
2017-05-23 14:12:54	alanz	what lens version is in lts-8.12?
2017-05-23 14:12:57	wz1000	Yeah, I need it for makeFieldsNoPrefix
2017-05-23 14:13:21	wz1000	lens 4.15.2 is only in 8.15
2017-05-23 14:13:46	alanz	ok, so bump the haskell-lsp lts to that, remove the extra dep.
2017-05-23 14:14:00	alanz	And bump the hie one too
2017-05-23 14:14:49	alanz	we need to just move this stuff forward as we go along, there is no legacy for this project at the moment. Which is a good thing, for now
2017-05-23 14:15:26	wz1000	yeah, I tried bumping the hie one to 8.15 and it still couldn't come up with a build plan
2017-05-23 14:16:06	alanz	use the nightly
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2017-05-23 14:16:24	alanz	but it has weird and wonderful deps, so it is a bit of a challenge. Let me see what happens
2017-05-23 14:16:28	wz1000	The latest one?
2017-05-23 14:17:09	alanz	23
2017-05-23 14:17:19	alanz	# resolver: nightly-2017-04-28
2017-05-23 14:17:23	alanz	oops
2017-05-23 14:17:30	alanz	https://www.stackage.org/nightly-2017-05-23
2017-05-23 14:18:04	alanz	is what I just switched to, and trying a build
2017-05-23 14:18:39	wz1000	Yeah, atleast it came up with a build plan instead of giving up
2017-05-23 14:19:08	alanz	It has been going against nightly all the time, I have no expectation of it working with lts, for now
2017-05-23 14:19:29	wz1000	why?
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2017-05-23 14:19:45	alanz	given that it is using bleeding edge stuff, and pushing it forward too. ghc-mod, hare, etc
2017-05-23 14:20:29	alanz	I figure once we have it settled down we can stabilise, but it is still too early for that
2017-05-23 14:20:38	wz1000	yeah
2017-05-23 14:20:45	alanz	And it is basically waiting for the next ghc-mod release
2017-05-23 14:20:52	alanz	Which is coming soon, I hope
2017-05-23 14:21:12	wz1000	what does it need from that?
2017-05-23 14:21:35	alanz	it uses ghc-mod at the bottom to set up a GHC session that makes sense
2017-05-23 14:21:48	alanz	Given that it is both stack and cabal aware
2017-05-23 14:22:28	alanz	and it is important to me to support cabal too, as people do not always use stack
2017-05-23 14:24:28	wz1000	But hie would have to be recompiled for each different version of ghc you want to use, right?
2017-05-23 14:25:37	alanz	Not necessarily
2017-05-23 14:25:51	alanz	It depends on how ghci gets integrated, at the end of it
2017-05-23 14:26:14	alanz	But using the intero model where it is in the same address space, yes
2017-05-23 14:26:30	alanz	However, cabal new build should be able to sort that out
2017-05-23 14:26:46	alanz	Don't forget, we are aiming at 6 months down the line, not now
2017-05-23 14:27:25	wz1000	but ghc-mod has that requirement, right?
2017-05-23 14:27:40	alanz	no
2017-05-23 14:28:08	wz1000	Really? I just ran into that a few days ago
2017-05-23 14:28:11	alanz	A tool does not have to match the ghc version, unless you are running a repl
2017-05-23 14:28:55	alanz	e.g. you can use the ghc-mod check function compiled with ghc-7.10 on a file you are developing under ghc-8
2017-05-23 14:29:09	alanz	It won't be able to check the bleeding edge stuff, but will still work
2017-05-23 14:29:21	alanz	And vice versa for 8.0 and 7.10 dev
2017-05-23 14:30:39	alanz	wz1000: what were you doing when you ran into that problem?
2017-05-23 14:30:43	wz1000	but type-at and info wouldn't work
2017-05-23 14:31:51	alanz	Actually I think you may be right, as it uses the current project config. 
2017-05-23 14:31:56	alanz	Oops/
2017-05-23 14:32:40	alanz	But stack works in that model, and cabal nix-style builds will sort out that side
2017-05-23 14:33:38	alanz	and my hie build failed as expected, the hie source is expecting that haskell-lsp branch I had in a PR
2017-05-23 14:34:01	alanz	So I suggest you rebase that, if that is ok. Else I will do it
2017-05-23 14:47:48	alanz	wz1000: ^^
2017-05-23 14:54:56	wz1000	Yeah, I'll just do it
2017-05-23 14:55:04	wz1000	in a sec
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2017-05-23 15:00:55	alanz	ok, no rush from me
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2017-05-23 15:38:46	wz1000	alanz: I misread, lts 8.15 doesn't have the lens I need.
2017-05-23 15:39:26	wz1000	Should I switch Haskell lsp to the nightly?
2017-05-23 15:43:49	wz1000	alanz: Merged- https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-lsp/commit/3dcef674a5f7d260835fd50d7bc3178c508e03d8
2017-05-23 15:48:06	alanz	great.
2017-05-23 15:48:12	alanz	And yes, use the nightly
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2017-05-23 16:00:08	wz1000	We should probably add --fast to stack build in circle.yml
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2017-05-23 16:08:59	wz1000	alanz: The tests passed
2017-05-23 16:26:10	alanz	merged it. 
2017-05-23 16:26:24	alanz	And going into a meeting now
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2017-05-24 13:48:15	wz1000	hie is building with the lastest commit(ba61930) of haskell-lsp
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2017-05-24 16:13:35	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/24131c890cb493bd9c563fea781c5e265cc08568
2017-05-24 16:18:44	wz1000	How about adding a type parameter to types with _param, specifying if it is optional or not
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2017-05-24 16:19:46	wz1000	Eg: data NotificationMessage f a = NotificationMessage { ... _params :: f a ... }
2017-05-24 16:20:15	wz1000	And when params are required, we use NotificationMessage Identity a
2017-05-24 16:20:25	wz1000	Or even, simply 
2017-05-24 16:20:43	wz1000	data NotificationMessage a = NotificationMessage { ... _params :: a ... }
2017-05-24 16:21:00	wz1000	and when params are optional, we use NotificationMessage (Maybe a)
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2017-05-24 16:24:25	wz1000	Infact, are then any cases where an empty params would not lead to an error?
2017-05-24 16:27:46	wz1000	I think ShutdownRequest is the only one
2017-05-24 16:36:52	wz1000	and Initialized/Exit Notification
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2017-05-24 17:53:30	alanz	wz1000: I am back now, been in a meeting all morning. Looking ...
2017-05-24 17:56:31	alanz	In most cases it should be exactly one of params or error. So capturing that in a type which then serialises cleanly would be good
2017-05-24 18:00:32	wz1000	So what about removing the Maybe from the base type and then explicitly using XMessage (Maybe a) when params are optional?
2017-05-24 18:05:18	wz1000	alanz: What should I do in cases when the params are void?
2017-05-24 18:06:15	alanz	we still need the params to appear, in json as 'params : []'
2017-05-24 18:06:30	alanz	So perhaps define a type to represent that?
2017-05-24 18:06:51	wz1000	Why do we need them to appear?
2017-05-24 18:07:09	alanz	because the clients barf if they don't appear
2017-05-24 18:07:21	wz1000	And when decoding, do we accept it if that field is missing?
2017-05-24 18:07:58	alanz	yes, or expect the same encoding going the other way. Whichever one works out the simplest
2017-05-24 18:08:26	alanz	I know I hit this in my testing with vscode, so it currently always populates it
2017-05-24 18:08:39	alanz	Which message has optional params, btw?
2017-05-24 18:08:55	wz1000	params is marked as optional, so according to the spec it can be omitted
2017-05-24 18:08:57	alanz	Only the Notification? and only the one case for that?
2017-05-24 18:09:14	alanz	in which case?
2017-05-24 18:09:26	wz1000	No, params is void in ShutdownRequest and Initialized/ExitNotification
2017-05-24 18:09:34	wz1000	I don't think it is ever optional
2017-05-24 18:10:05	alanz	ok. Whatever the implementation does at the moment (LspStdio) is what has to continue happening
2017-05-24 18:11:02	alanz	According to this params are optional. https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/protocol.md#requestmessage
2017-05-24 18:11:09	wz1000	Yeah
2017-05-24 18:11:23	alanz	But that is only because it is delegated to the individual message descriptions
2017-05-24 18:12:00	alanz	But I am happy to have some encoding which captures when they are not actually optional
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2017-05-24 18:12:25	alanz	the more accurate the types the better
2017-05-24 18:13:05	wz1000	What I am doing right now is removing the Maybe from the base type, and explitcly adding the maybe in those cases where the params are void
2017-05-24 18:13:39	alanz	ok, work it through and let's see how it looks
2017-05-24 18:15:16	wz1000	So InitialisedNotification changes to type InitializedNotification = NotificationMessage (Maybe InitializedParams)
2017-05-24 18:15:32	wz1000	Where InitializedParams is the unit type
2017-05-24 18:15:44	wz1000	s/is/isomorphic to/g
2017-05-24 18:16:11	wz1000	The ones where the params aren't void remain the same
2017-05-24 18:16:48	wz1000	This way the Aeson instances will be exactly the same as before(hopefully)
2017-05-24 18:16:58	alanz	ok, sounds good
2017-05-24 18:17:53	alanz	btw, I test this against vscode, and against emacs
2017-05-24 18:18:12	alanz	vscode is the master, everything else must follow it
2017-05-24 18:18:33	wz1000	ok
2017-05-24 18:23:38	alanz	wz1000: btw, I am going to be unavailable for tomorrow before 20h00 my time
2017-05-24 18:24:50	wz1000	ok
2017-05-24 18:40:10	wz1000	alanz: Are you using the default instances for anythin?
2017-05-24 18:40:43	wz1000	Because what I'm doing requires them to have a Default a => Default (RequestMessage a)
2017-05-24 18:40:47	alanz	I was, but they pretty much got superseded by that Messages thing, I think
2017-05-24 18:41:12	wz1000	The extra constraint shouldn't hurt, right?
2017-05-24 18:41:26	alanz	not at all.
2017-05-24 18:41:31	alanz	That's what they are for
2017-05-24 18:42:06	alanz	I am working on GHC atm, there are some really hairy cascaded constraints there.
2017-05-24 18:42:26	alanz	Using constraint types, which is a really nice feature
2017-05-24 18:44:47	wz1000	Yeah. I used them to do some weird stuff here: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-webapps/blob/master/ServantPersistent/src/Updater.hs
2017-05-24 18:45:38	wz1000	But I had loads of problems getting that to typecheck because of the existential quantification
2017-05-24 18:46:47	alanz	yes.
2017-05-24 18:47:11	alanz	And in some cases you end up needing UndecidableInstances too, which gets a bit hairy
2017-05-24 18:47:18	wz1000	(\x -> U $ set name x) would typecheck, but (U . set name) wouldn't
2017-05-24 18:47:30	wz1000	That drove me crazy
2017-05-24 18:47:40	ongy	that sounds, weird
2017-05-24 18:50:04	alanz	It might be worth filing a GHC bug for that
2017-05-24 18:50:40	alanz	Even if it just triggers an explanation as to why it does not type check
2017-05-24 18:51:11	wz1000	I think typechecking with existential quantifications is broken anyway.
2017-05-24 18:54:11	alanz	ok
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2017-05-24 20:14:24	wz1000	alanz: Did you see my latest PR?
2017-05-24 20:15:32	 *	alanz looking
2017-05-24 20:19:59	alanz	merged
2017-05-24 20:20:24	alanz	ping me here if you make a PR, else I do not always see it.
2017-05-24 20:42:54	wz1000	alanz: Should I PR hie to haskell/ or alanz/
2017-05-24 20:43:15	alanz	haskell
2017-05-24 20:44:58	--	Notice(GitHub98): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #230: Cleaned up LspStdio (master...master) https://git.io/vHYmc
2017-05-24 20:45:15	wz1000	alanz ^
2017-05-24 20:45:33	alanz	ok, will wait for the CI build
2017-05-24 20:46:41	alanz	the change itself looks good
2017-05-24 20:58:26	wz1000	test/testdata/stack.yml should probably be a symlink to ../../stack.yml
2017-05-24 20:59:04	wz1000	Otherwise nightly-2017-05-08 is downloaded for no reason
2017-05-24 20:59:19	wz1000	Or maybe not. Then the test would fail on windows
2017-05-24 20:59:58	ongy	which fs does windows use for the tests?
2017-05-24 21:00:03	ongy	ntfs in theory can do symlinks
2017-05-24 21:00:49	alanz	I think symlinks in a repo are a bad idea
2017-05-24 21:01:25	alanz	For the HaRe tests the test harness generates a stack.yml, depending on which version of the compiler is being tested.
2017-05-24 21:01:45	alanz	Maybe we should do the same, just to make sure the resolvers tie up
2017-05-24 21:02:03	wz1000	maybe we can copy stack.yml to test/testdata on testing
2017-05-24 21:04:03	alanz	no, it brings in all the git repo stuff, which means a fresh clone
2017-05-24 21:04:16	alanz	And that is slow for those of us on dodgy connections
2017-05-24 21:05:26	alanz	otherwise we must just remember to update it :)
2017-05-24 21:17:00	alanz	http://davidchristiansen.dk/drafts/final-pretty-printer-draft.pdf
2017-05-24 21:35:53	wz1000	> this prety printer piggybacks on the massive amount of work put into the text rendering engines of Web browsers.
2017-05-24 21:36:30	wz1000	You know its the future when your pretty printing library depends on a web browser.
2017-05-24 21:38:41	wz1000	alanz: the build passed
2017-05-24 21:42:18	alanz	merged
2017-05-24 21:42:27	--	Notice(GitHub147): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #230: Cleaned up LspStdio (master...master) https://git.io/vHYmc
2017-05-24 21:42:27	--	Notice(GitHub17): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vHYlo
2017-05-24 21:42:27	--	Notice(GitHub17): haskell-ide-engine/master 24131c8 Zubin Duggal: Cleaned up LspStdio
2017-05-24 21:42:27	--	Notice(GitHub17): haskell-ide-engine/master a1e7baf Zubin Duggal: Updated LspStdio to match haskell-lsp
2017-05-24 21:42:27	--	Notice(GitHub17): haskell-ide-engine/master 90dc837 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #230 from wz1000/master...
2017-05-24 21:43:00	alanz	yes, but that is also coming from the idris guys, who have an awesome UI based on an annotated AST/pretty printer
2017-05-24 21:44:13	wz1000	Ah.
2017-05-24 21:44:31	wz1000	What happened to IHaskell, is that still alive?
2017-05-24 21:44:38	wz1000	Jupyter is pretty neat
2017-05-24 21:47:11	wz1000	It always seems like there is something missing when I have to write parsers and pretty-printers. It seems like you should be able to specify your language once and get both.
2017-05-24 21:48:34	alanz	there are people working on that. search for bidirectional parsers.
2017-05-24 21:48:45	 *	alanz afk for an hour
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2017-05-24 22:57:14	wz1000	alanz: I tried to get the vscode extension to run, but I get an error
2017-05-24 22:57:17	wz1000	Activating extension `alanz.vscode-hie-server` failed: Cannot find module '/home/zubin/vscode-hie-server/out/src/extension'.
2017-05-24 23:00:56	wz1000	nvm, i didn't have typescript installed
2017-05-24 23:03:20	wz1000	alanz: How do I install the typescript dependencies?
2017-05-24 23:07:55	wz1000	nvm
2017-05-24 23:07:58	alanz	something like "npm install" in the extension dir
2017-05-24 23:08:32	alanz	I somehow got the incantation right, but do not really know what I am doing there.
2017-05-24 23:12:58	wz1000	yeah, I got it
2017-05-24 23:13:08	wz1000	it was npm install
2017-05-24 23:14:51	wz1000	alanz: Its ignoring the hlint annotations in vscode
2017-05-24 23:17:00	wz1000	Also, hovering results in several type annotations(I think one for everthing on the line)
2017-05-24 23:24:37	alanz	wz1000: what project are you using it on?
2017-05-24 23:24:49	alanz	and what extensions have you got enabled?
2017-05-24 23:24:55	wz1000	haskell-ide-engine
2017-05-24 23:25:33	alanz	ok, I have not tried it on something that big yet.
2017-05-24 23:26:02	alanz	I will try a bit later, running a performance test on my laptop atm, do not want to disturb it. About half an hour to go
2017-05-25 00:01:05	alanz	I am now building the hie master branch
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2017-05-25 01:34:55	alanz	wz1000: that pretty printer paper describes interacting in the editor via context sensitive stuff. This is all enabled via LSP. codeAction, codeLens, etc
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2017-05-25 11:42:26	wz1000	What are we going to use codeAction and codeLens for?
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2017-05-25 23:36:31	alanz	wz1000: for apply hint, and things like that
2017-05-25 23:36:46	alanz	They exist, we will find a purpose in time. 
2017-05-25 23:36:58	alanz	e.g. show documentation, etc
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2017-05-26 12:36:13	alanz	wz1000: I've got another crazy day, will be away for the next couple of hours
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2017-05-26 14:49:51	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/24
2017-05-26 14:50:46	wz1000	We don't have an enum for methods right?
2017-05-26 14:50:53	wz1000	Should I make one?
2017-05-26 14:53:40	wz1000	Then we can probably make some singleton types to clean up the types of getVfs
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2017-05-26 18:20:25	alanz	sounds good
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2017-05-26 21:31:11	wz1000	alanz: What does BareResponseMessage do/
2017-05-26 21:31:52	wz1000	Isn't it equivalent ot ResponseMessage A.Value?
2017-05-26 21:38:19	alanz	I guess. I was feeling my way with a lot of that stuff, getting my head around the spec at the same time
2017-05-26 21:38:30	alanz	So it is good to get fresh eyes on it.
2017-05-26 21:38:39	alanz	So if it does not make sense, kill it
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2017-05-26 23:04:13	wz1000	alanz: Why are some variables in Messages called fmServer and others fmClient?
2017-05-26 23:04:36	alanz	Because some originate from the server, and some from the client
2017-05-26 23:04:42	alanz	:)
2017-05-26 23:05:04	alanz	It it useful in an interface to know the direction of travel
2017-05-26 23:05:46	alanz	It correlates with the symbols in this overview: https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/protocol.md#messages-overview
2017-05-26 23:06:23	wz1000	alanz: But workspace/didChangedWatchedFiles and workspace/symbol both originate from the client, yet one is fmServer and the other fmClien
2017-05-26 23:07:18	alanz	well that sounds like a mistake then
2017-05-26 23:07:57	alanz	please fix it
2017-05-26 23:08:01	wz1000	I don't think that the arrows in the protocol correspond to where the method originates from
2017-05-26 23:08:03	wz1000	OK
2017-05-26 23:08:25	wz1000	There are quite a few like that. Thats why I was confused
2017-05-26 23:08:42	alanz	There should be only about 3 that come from the server.
2017-05-26 23:09:01	 *	alanz checking ...
2017-05-26 23:10:46	alanz	client is the IDE in this case
2017-05-26 23:11:12	alanz	So everything originates at the client, except a handful
2017-05-26 23:11:44	alanz	publishDiagnostics, the log/show stuff
2017-05-26 23:12:10	alanz	and clientRegister/unregister capability
2017-05-26 23:12:42	alanz	and applyedit
2017-05-26 23:17:29	alanz	wz1000: it looks right to me, where the client is the IDE and the server is HIE
2017-05-26 23:17:43	wz1000	didChangeWatchedFiles and didChangeConfiguration were mislabeled
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2017-05-26 23:18:35	alanz	yes, you are right, sorry.
2017-05-26 23:18:54	alanz	Funny how you can't see your own mistakes. Even after you told me.
2017-05-26 23:20:41	wz1000	I was thinking of splitting the method enum into two; one for those originating from the server and one from those originating from the client
2017-05-26 23:21:30	wz1000	But that would mean parametrising the notifidcation/request types by its origin
2017-05-26 23:23:25	wz1000	alanz: thoughts?
2017-05-26 23:23:56	alanz	well, it is an important distinction
2017-05-26 23:24:42	alanz	so it may be worth doing. It effectively namespaces the originating point, so you can't accidentally send in the wrong direction
2017-05-26 23:25:02	wz1000	Yeah
2017-05-26 23:25:20	alanz	Types are your friend, we need to use them. As you are doing.
2017-05-26 23:25:40	 *	alanz realises my type-based programming needs a level up
2017-05-26 23:30:11	wz1000	HIE has some nifty type-fu going on in the plugin api
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2017-05-26 23:32:05	alanz	yes, courtesy of cocreature
2017-05-26 23:32:39	alanz	And I was impressed by it, I have to say
2017-05-26 23:33:07	cocreature	tbh I would probably remove it if I was still hacking on hie (I might pick it up again :))
2017-05-26 23:33:26	cocreature	I don’t think having a rest API in hie has payed off
2017-05-26 23:34:19	alanz	I agree. And the focus (my intent, anyway) is going to be LSP going forward
2017-05-26 23:34:40	alanz	And I think that may end up with a rethink of how things hang together.
2017-05-26 23:34:56	wz1000	alanz: I can't find $/setTraceNotification in the protocol. What is that meant for?
2017-05-26 23:35:10	alanz	The basics stay the same, with a dispatcher and all, but the rest can change
2017-05-26 23:35:27	alanz	wz1000: I think it came in later, and I left it out
2017-05-26 23:35:54	wz1000	Should I remove it? the handler is a stub anyway
2017-05-26 23:36:09	alanz	The client can enable tracing, and then the server can send trace messages, which is basically output of a log
2017-05-26 23:36:22	alanz	Leave it, it is in the spec, it will be used one day.
2017-05-26 23:36:47	alanz	In my mind, haskell-lsp must have the machinery to send and receive everything in the spec
2017-05-26 23:36:52	wz1000	I can't find it is the spec
2017-05-26 23:37:14	wz1000	*in
2017-05-26 23:37:25	alanz	It is probably an artifact from an early version of vscode
2017-05-26 23:37:49	alanz	I would suggest checking if it actually arrives on the wire from vscode, and if not nuke it
2017-05-26 23:38:17	alanz	Because I would have put it in to stop a blowup when running against vscode
2017-05-26 23:39:59	wz1000	alanz: I can't find it in my hie logs from yesterday
2017-05-26 23:40:36	alanz	I got this a moment ago:  2017-05-26 20:10:07 [ThreadId 11] - ---> {"jsonrpc":"2.0","method":"$/setTraceNotification","params":{"value":"off"}}
2017-05-26 23:41:17	alanz	in  /tmp/hie-logs/-home-alanz-hie.log, but using my current wip branch which puts logs there
2017-05-26 23:41:34	wz1000	Sorry, I mistyped
2017-05-26 23:41:46	wz1000	It is there
2017-05-26 23:42:03	alanz	I think the spec says the $/ namespace can be used at any time for anything, or some such
2017-05-26 23:42:34	alanz	See https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/protocol.md#-notifications-and-requests
2017-05-26 23:43:38	wz1000	we will blow up on that right now?
2017-05-26 23:43:52	alanz	Not at the moment, it parses then no-ops
2017-05-26 23:44:12	alanz	But we should maybe make something specific to "$/" ++ xx
2017-05-26 23:44:22	alanz	so it can safely ignore them
2017-05-26 23:44:36	alanz	where xx is anything
2017-05-26 23:45:07	alanz	That said, having specific instances for known in-use messages could be useful
2017-05-27 00:26:15	wz1000	alanz: Are the default instances being used for anything?
2017-05-27 00:27:25	wz1000	Because I would have to give a default instance for my method enums
2017-05-27 00:27:38	wz1000	which doesn't really make sense
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2017-05-27 00:45:25	alanz	Well, I they are used to set up an empty message which then has params plugged in. 
2017-05-27 00:45:43	alanz	So if there is another way of doing that then it should be fine. 
2017-05-27 00:46:04	alanz	And that is exactly what the Messages module does, now I think of it. So they can go.
2017-05-27 00:47:56	wz1000	alanz: Does aeson still parse if there are extra fields in the json?
2017-05-27 00:48:44	alanz	I think so. What are you thinking of?
2017-05-27 00:57:31	wz1000	Just thinking about how I might use the enum instead of raw strings here: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Core.hs#L343
2017-05-27 00:58:30	wz1000	Right now we are essentially decoding the JSON twice
2017-05-27 01:00:13	alanz	I will have to look later, tied up now
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2017-05-27 04:20:44	ojw	terminfo fails to build for me, even if I add ncurses to the nix.packages in stack.yaml
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2017-05-27 13:54:24	arrowsvc	https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack-ide/issues/41
2017-05-27 13:54:30	arrowsvc	Meh.
2017-05-27 13:54:38	arrowsvc	Got this when compiling recent HIE.
2017-05-27 13:55:19	arrowsvc	And it is Cabal-simple seem to depending on that text-icu.
2017-05-27 13:55:38	arrowsvc	Anyone has HIE compiling on Windows?
2017-05-27 13:58:39	arrowsvc	Ok, stack exec pacman to the rescue.
2017-05-27 13:59:01	alanz	arrowsvc: let me know if you succeed. 
2017-05-27 13:59:14	alanz	And perhaps we should document the process
2017-05-27 14:04:28	arrowsvc	alanz: https://paste.kde.org/pregyou5r
2017-05-27 14:05:26	alanz	arrowsvc: are you installing via stack? 
2017-05-27 14:05:29	arrowsvc	Yep.
2017-05-27 14:06:06	alanz	Ok, it may be necessary to blow away the ~/.ghc-mod directory, it does its own install of cabal-helper
2017-05-27 14:06:16	alanz	which branch are you working against?
2017-05-27 14:06:26	arrowsvc	master
2017-05-27 14:07:02	alanz	strange.
2017-05-27 14:07:16	alanz	Let me try to rebuild it too, and see what I get
2017-05-27 14:07:35	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-lsp/commit/fff7323f748b98fd27329d10776b2772e2b03f31
2017-05-27 14:08:26	alanz	wz1000:will take a look shortly
2017-05-27 14:10:56	arrowsvc	... and on compiling Compiling Language.Haskell.LSP.TH.ClientCapabilities GHC crashes ._.
2017-05-27 14:11:09	arrowsvc	Bleeding edge so bleeding.
2017-05-27 14:13:29	wz1000	arrowsvc: try --fast
2017-05-27 14:13:40	wz1000	Maybe you're running out of memory 
2017-05-27 14:14:39	arrowsvc	Nope.
2017-05-27 14:15:24	wz1000	Isn't TH supposed to be buggy on windows?
2017-05-27 14:16:20	arrowsvc	Used it in Yesod for ages and everything was fine.
2017-05-27 14:18:21	alanz	well, we are running on leading edge libraries, but not compiler.
2017-05-27 14:18:27	alanz	So it *should* work
2017-05-27 14:19:12	alanz	arrowsvc: do you have any details of the crash? Can you enable maximum verbosity, or whatever is possible in stack
2017-05-27 14:19:53	alanz	And if the worst comes to the worst blow away the ~/.stack directory, and let it set itself up afresh
2017-05-27 14:20:15	alanz	wz1000: the actual mappings for that enum are not in that commit?
2017-05-27 14:20:33	alanz	the string to enum value mapping, that is
2017-05-27 14:20:43	wz1000	alanz: They are. Maybe github is hiding that because the diff is too big.
2017-05-27 14:21:02	wz1000	Look in DataTypesJSON.hs
2017-05-27 14:21:10	alanz	ok
2017-05-27 14:23:16	alanz	One of the side goals of the Messages.hs module is to make it a point of easy comparison to the spec summary, to make sure the messages and methods are all there and named properly
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2017-05-27 14:25:49	wz1000	alanz: Should I put the method enums into a new module, so that we can look there to see if all the methods are implemented?
2017-05-27 14:26:36	alanz	No, but maybe arrange them in the same order as in the spec, and with the same subheadings as comments. In the enum and in the ToJSON instances
2017-05-27 14:27:15	alanz	We can always have a utiltity that reproduces the spec based on the types, for checking
2017-05-27 14:28:00	alanz	But when you have a large and complex spec like this one we need to focus on making the library easy to correlate back to the spec
2017-05-27 14:28:14	alanz	for checking and for users of it
2017-05-27 14:28:18	wz1000	Or - should I write some TH to generate the Enum and Aeson instances from the method names?
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2017-05-27 14:30:30	wz1000	Because thats pretty much how I made them- I used a regex to change abc.../def... -> Abc...Def...
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2017-05-27 14:35:42	alanz	I personally hate TH, it hides too much stuff.
2017-05-27 14:36:04	alanz	So my preference would be to rather work with it as it is, but just arrange it for traceability
2017-05-27 14:42:48	wz1000	Ok. 
2017-05-27 14:44:04	wz1000	alanz: Should we merge getVfs into hh? Because the Value -> request decoding is still happening twice for most methods
2017-05-27 14:44:40	wz1000	(Earlier, the entire ByteString -> Value -> request) pipeline was being run twice
2017-05-27 14:45:08	alanz	hold on
2017-05-27 14:47:27	alanz	I think we should keep it where it is, but try to re-use the existing decoding.  So change it to take a RequestMessage instead of a ByteString
2017-05-27 14:49:52	wz1000	But openVfs etc. require DidOpenTextDocumentNotification, not generic RequestMessage
2017-05-27 14:50:12	wz1000	We would have to prove to ghc that the RequestMessage has the correct params
2017-05-27 14:50:38	wz1000	Which might be possible with some GADTs and singleton types
2017-05-27 14:51:04	alanz	Well, at the moment getVfs does a case on the message.
2017-05-27 14:51:29	alanz	Is that not possible with the current approach, if we leave it as a generic RequestMessage?
2017-05-27 14:52:30	alanz	So you are proposing to effectively move the calls to openVFS, changeVFS and closeVFS into hh?
2017-05-27 14:52:51	alanz	as we already have the context there
2017-05-27 14:52:55	wz1000	Yes, but once it does a case on the message, we know the params are of the correct type, but ghc doesn't know that because ghc doesn't know there is a relation between the Method and the type of params of RequestMessage
2017-05-27 14:53:27	wz1000	We could use unsafeCoerce and get away with it
2017-05-27 14:53:47	wz1000	Or we could prove it to ghc using singleton types
2017-05-27 14:54:40	alanz	I think moving the open/change/close VFS calls into the handlers would be the best
2017-05-27 14:54:46	wz1000	Yeah
2017-05-27 14:54:48	alanz	Keep it simple.
2017-05-27 14:55:17	wz1000	type hacking is fun but most of the time it just ends up obfuscating the code for little gain
2017-05-27 14:55:20	alanz	And this is the part that is going to see the most usage
2017-05-27 14:55:25	alanz	agree
2017-05-27 14:58:18	wz1000	But this would be very simple in Idris
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2017-05-27 15:01:22	alanz	that is still on my list of languages to explore.
2017-05-27 15:01:34	alanz	Not enough time for all the awesome stuff out there
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2017-05-27 15:17:58	wz1000	alanz: So the vfs calls would be moved into the client defined handlers?
2017-05-27 15:18:10	alanz	no
2017-05-27 15:19:06	alanz	We need some kind of wrapper to do them. Where at the moment we call getVFS, we need to do the specific update for the 3 messages affected
2017-05-27 15:19:56	alanz	so effectively the case statement moves into hh
2017-05-27 15:20:03	alanz	for the updates
2017-05-27 15:20:11	wz1000	I think we will run into the same problem. We need some way of making sure the type of the request is correct
2017-05-27 15:21:06	alanz	Othewise we must chain a handler for those three messages
2017-05-27 15:21:43	alanz	So handlerMap calls hh for most of them, and hh' for those three, which does the right thing
2017-05-27 15:22:09	alanz	I had it like that before, for something. I forget which
2017-05-27 15:22:50	alanz	And hh can just be a parameterised version of hh' passing in a NOP for the vfs update func
2017-05-27 15:22:58	alanz	or whatever we need
2017-05-27 15:24:10	wz1000	Yeah
2017-05-27 15:27:16	wz1000	The other way of doing it would look something like this: http://lpaste.net/355861
2017-05-27 15:27:45	wz1000	We would need the singleton type and the reify typeclass for those 3 types
2017-05-27 15:33:37	alanz	wz1000: that is more complex than it needs to be, how about taking the approach in https://github.com/ghc/ghc/blob/wip/new-tree-one-param-2/compiler/hsSyn/HsExtension.hs#L103
2017-05-27 15:34:15	alanz	Where the type family instance is the appropriate call to open/close/change/nop?
2017-05-27 15:35:25	wz1000	How can the type family instance be a function call?
2017-05-27 15:36:27	alanz	why not? 
2017-05-27 15:36:45	alanz	hmm
2017-05-27 15:37:17	alanz	Look at section 3.10 of http://www.jucs.org/jucs_23_1/trees_that_grow/jucs_23_01_0042_0062_najd.pdf
2017-05-27 15:37:23	wz1000	type families have a kind, function calls have a type
2017-05-27 15:38:34	alanz	Or even simpler, we extent the HandlerMap to contain a tuple with an update function and the handler.
2017-05-27 15:39:12	wz1000	Ok, and pass in nop for the others?
2017-05-27 15:39:21	alanz	yes
2017-05-27 15:39:40	alanz	which is basically a variation on the hh/hh' approach
2017-05-27 15:40:17	wz1000	Yeah
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2017-05-27 16:18:45	wz1000	alanz: I made the vfs changes: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-lsp/commit/3e86f5716d2e3334231e050c98d7959e9766d17d
2017-05-27 16:19:53	alanz	looks good
2017-05-27 16:29:38	wz1000	alanz: Should I log and ignore the response instead of crashing when there is no response handler?
2017-05-27 16:33:07	alanz	That probably makes sense.
2017-05-27 16:33:18	alanz	On the other hand, then we do not know it is happening
2017-05-27 16:33:32	alanz	I think for the "$/" stuff log and ignore is fine
2017-05-27 16:33:37	alanz	But maybe not for the others
2017-05-27 16:33:49	alanz	Especially at this stage of development
2017-05-27 16:34:17	alanz	We may revisit this later, depending on how much of an issue it becomes in the wild.
2017-05-27 16:34:45	alanz	Another alternative is to send it back to the client in an error message, so it should at least become visible
2017-05-27 16:35:23	alanz	Using either "window/ShowMessage" or "window/LogMessage"
2017-05-27 16:36:06	alanz	Some clients, like emacs-lsp, expect a reply to every request, else they hang.
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2017-05-28 14:36:04	arrowsvc	Aha, that's why ghc-mod doesn't compile for me: https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/commit/cedcc35bbc123614b734d4c907b8eb4e8a2ad284#diff-77ce300bba81505a2af77ad19d408729R27
2017-05-28 14:36:12	arrowsvc	I'm using cabal-helper from git.
2017-05-28 15:08:55	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-lsp/commit/e293956489a44b6d760164383ff4a32b0428d6b6
2017-05-28 15:12:58	alanz	wz1000: looks good. I see you reinstated the lb2str instead of show too.
2017-05-28 15:13:07	wz1000	yeah
2017-05-28 15:13:28	alanz	good, that deals with weird unicode issues.
2017-05-28 15:14:09	alanz	The original dev that I copied it from is Japanese (I think), so it was set up to be able to handle asian character sets, which is a good test for unicode
2017-05-28 15:14:57	wz1000	I was showing the Aeson Value, not the bytestring
2017-05-28 15:16:02	alanz	ok
2017-05-28 15:16:07	wz1000	When I replaced the raw bytestring parameter to handle etc. with Value, I didn't know the bytestring was still in scope
2017-05-28 15:16:19	wz1000	so I had to show that instead
2017-05-28 15:16:32	wz1000	should I make a PR?
2017-05-28 15:16:59	alanz	yes, it is good to capture the changes as we go along. 
2017-05-28 15:17:08	alanz	And make sure that it works with hie
2017-05-28 15:17:27	alanz	btw, can you take a look at that logging PR for hie?
2017-05-28 15:21:26	wz1000	alanz: That made me remember, I have an uncomitted change to hie
2017-05-28 15:22:12	alanz	ok, make a PR
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2017-05-28 15:25:49	wz1000	alanz: ^
2017-05-28 15:26:09	alanz	I saw it, looks fine, will wait for the CI to finish then merge
2017-05-28 15:27:32	wz1000	Your PR looks fine too
2017-05-28 15:29:14	alanz	thanks, will merge them both when yours passes
2017-05-28 15:31:06	alanz	I merged the haskell-lsp one
2017-05-28 15:34:37	wz1000	When you merge the hie ones, can you update the stack.yaml to the new lsp if it still compiles?
2017-05-28 16:19:34	alanz	ok
2017-05-28 16:31:15	--	Notice(GitHub52): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #232: Changed to match haskell-lsp (master...master) https://git.io/vHcn6
2017-05-28 16:31:17	--	Notice(GitHub121): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vHcCP
2017-05-28 16:31:17	--	Notice(GitHub121): haskell-ide-engine/master a6b6f1f Zubin Duggal: Changed to match haskell-lsp
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2017-05-28 16:31:27	--	Notice(GitHub158): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #231: Logging (master...logging) https://git.io/vHnuW
2017-05-28 16:31:30	--	Notice(GitHub145): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vHcCX
2017-05-28 16:31:30	--	Notice(GitHub145): haskell-ide-engine/master 8cc66c1 Alan Zimmerman: Always use the same log file for the same starting directory
2017-05-28 16:31:30	--	Notice(GitHub145): haskell-ide-engine/master 7071650 Alan Zimmerman: Remove redundant import
2017-05-28 16:31:30	--	Notice(GitHub145): haskell-ide-engine/master f5bcca2 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #231 from alanz/logging...
2017-05-28 16:41:24	alanz	wz1000: The current haskell-lsp in hie stack.yaml is from 4 commits back
2017-05-28 16:41:34	alanz	So it is not just a simple update
2017-05-28 16:47:12	arrowsvc	I forgot, if we have several haskell projects, should HIE be run for each of them?
2017-05-28 16:47:26	alanz	arrowsvc: yes
2017-05-28 16:47:44	alanz	Basically each one is a project session
2017-05-28 16:48:05	alanz	arrowsvc: which transport are you using to hie?
2017-05-28 16:49:28	arrowsvc	alanz: Stdio, currently.
2017-05-28 16:49:39	alanz	ok.
2017-05-28 16:49:53	alanz	Any you are working into kdevelop, primarily?
2017-05-28 16:49:58	arrowsvc	Yep.
2017-05-28 16:50:08	alanz	is there an LSP implementation for it?
2017-05-28 16:51:07	arrowsvc	Nope. They've been using libclang directly for C++.
2017-05-28 16:51:14	alanz	https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/wiki/Protocol-Implementations
2017-05-28 16:51:15	alanz	no
2017-05-28 16:51:33	alanz	ok.
2017-05-28 16:51:59	alanz	Well, that keeps the hie dev honest then, must make sure both stdio and lsp can cohabit. Which is a good thing
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2017-05-28 16:55:01	arrowsvc	And kdev folks seem to hype about LSP:
2017-05-28 16:55:03	arrowsvc	<xstyle> eh the problem i see with the language server protocol is that it basically leaves the IDE clueless as to the source code
2017-05-28 16:55:05	arrowsvc	<xstyle> as in, if you want to do it in kdevelop, it would basically bypass all the DUChain stuff
2017-05-28 16:55:06	arrowsvc	<xstyle> it's great for lightweight IDEs like VSCode for example
2017-05-28 16:56:12	arrowsvc	On the other hand,
2017-05-28 16:56:14	arrowsvc	<ogoffart> kfunk, milian: What's your tought about this clang deamon? (and the language server protocol)
2017-05-28 16:56:15	arrowsvc	<apol> ogoffart: AFAIR, the protocol doesn't cover all our language needs
2017-05-28 16:56:17	arrowsvc	<apol> in any case, it's something we possibly will end up supporting, as we can't have full duchain for every language on earth anyway
2017-05-28 16:56:30	arrowsvc	But this is out of my scope anyways, for now.
2017-05-28 17:01:37	wz1000	alanz: Ok, I will fix it
2017-05-28 17:01:51	alanz	thanks
2017-05-28 17:02:28	alanz	arrowsvc: ok, fair enough. HIE does and will support it
2017-05-28 17:02:39	alanz	i.e both stdio and lspstdio
2017-05-28 17:06:36	arrowsvc	I stil haven't figured how to demux concurrent outputs, though. But glad to know I'm not building on something to be deprecated.
2017-05-28 17:32:14	alanz	arrowsvc: I suggest you make a PR at some point with your changes, even if just WIP, so that we can be aware of the direction as we take the rest forward
2017-05-28 17:34:16	arrowsvc	K.
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2017-05-29 12:32:32	wz1000	alanz: ^
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2017-05-29 12:38:12	wz1000	I think haskell-lsp is in a pretty stable state now. Are there still any changes you would like to see?
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2017-05-29 15:35:35	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-lsp/commit/6dfb114468fe0fb6b8604e1b93ec415528837a6f
2017-05-29 15:37:54	wz1000	The enum already paid off- ghc warned me about a few methods we were not handling like documentLink/resolve and textDocument/willSaveWaitUntil
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2017-05-29 17:41:32	alanz	wz1000: back now
2017-05-29 18:01:36	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/26
2017-05-29 18:02:19	alanz	sorry, did not look for the PR
2017-05-29 18:02:34	alanz	Busy catching up on my email and stuff, been out of office all morning
2017-05-29 18:02:38	wz1000	alanz: I just made one
2017-05-29 18:03:01	wz1000	alanz: Don't merge the hie one just yet
2017-05-29 18:03:02	alanz	ok, it said 2 hours ago. I guess that is when the commit went in
2017-05-29 18:03:13	alanz	I have not looked at hie yet
2017-05-29 18:04:22	wz1000	Its no problem, take your time.
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2017-05-29 18:11:06	wz1000	alanz: You can merge the hie one once it passes CI
2017-05-29 18:11:30	alanz	ok, did you update it for the latest haskell-lsp merge?
2017-05-29 18:11:33	wz1000	Yeah
2017-05-29 18:12:14	alanz	ok
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2017-05-29 18:18:53	wz1000	I was saying, haskell-lsp looks pretty much complete to me. Is there anything else you would like to do to it?
2017-05-29 18:22:18	alanz	nope, I think anything we need will come up from working on the rest, and changes from the spec being updated, whenever that happens
2017-05-29 18:24:50	wz1000	ok, so what should I work on now? exposing the intero api?
2017-05-29 18:27:11	wz1000	and should we put haskell-lsp on hackage?
2017-05-29 18:31:45	alanz	I guess it might be time to put haskell-lsp on hackage.
2017-05-29 18:32:10	alanz	But I think we are the only ones using it in a way that may require that, which is tied to hie
2017-05-29 18:32:18	alanz	and that is in no way ready for hackage
2017-05-29 18:33:46	alanz	One of the other niggles at the moment is that the types used in haskell-lsp are duplicated in the hie base types package
2017-05-29 18:34:16	alanz	I think we should make haskell-lsp a dependency of the base types, and use the real thing instead
2017-05-29 18:34:54	wz1000	ok, that won't be a problem with the other transports right?
2017-05-29 18:35:18	alanz	nope, it is about a dependency, which is already required.
2017-05-29 18:35:44	alanz	And realistically I think it is only arrowsvc that is using hie for anything at this stage 
2017-05-29 18:36:45	alanz	Something else you could give some thought to is the hie dispatcher that works with JSON values for the messages. I think it makes more sense for the request/response to use proper haskell types, and let the transport serialise if required
2017-05-29 18:37:29	alanz	And starting to look at intero with a view to making it into a lib is fine too
2017-05-29 18:37:36	 *	alanz afk
2017-05-29 18:37:58	wz1000	ok, I'll start looking at hie from now on.
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2017-05-29 19:24:42	--	Notice(GitHub68): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #233: updated to use latest haskell-lsp (master...master) https://git.io/vHCk9
2017-05-29 19:24:45	--	Notice(GitHub122): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vHCPp
2017-05-29 19:24:45	--	Notice(GitHub122): haskell-ide-engine/master defbf4f Zubin Duggal: updated to use latest haskell-lsp
2017-05-29 19:24:45	--	Notice(GitHub122): haskell-ide-engine/master ef5b492 Zubin Duggal: Updated haskell-lsp
2017-05-29 19:24:45	--	Notice(GitHub122): haskell-ide-engine/master a4759cd Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #233 from wz1000/master...
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2017-05-29 23:52:55	wz1000	alanz: Should ParamVal also be replaced by its lsp equivalent?
2017-05-29 23:54:00	alanz	what are the equivalents?
2017-05-29 23:54:15	alanz	position, range etc?
2017-05-29 23:54:19	wz1000	Yeah
2017-05-29 23:54:33	alanz	yes, may as well go all the way
2017-05-29 23:54:48	alanz	we need a standard, it may as well be one that makes at least one transport easy
2017-05-29 23:55:04	wz1000	So are we keeping much of the the plugin api?
2017-05-29 23:55:13	alanz	btw, we may need to consider changing the origin for row/col
2017-05-29 23:55:30	alanz	LSP is off zero based, hie is currently 1 based
2017-05-29 23:55:41	wz1000	ah
2017-05-29 23:56:00	alanz	so you will see +1 and -1 all over the place
2017-05-30 00:00:32	wz1000	alanz: So do we need to rethink the plugin api or hack on it as it is?
2017-05-30 00:01:01	alanz	well, if possible hack on it as it is
2017-05-30 00:01:32	alanz	but if the servant api gets in the way we can lose it, for now
2017-05-30 00:02:29	alanz	We may have to come up with a typeclass for the results, having from and to methods, similar to the fromJSON toJSON
2017-05-30 00:02:42	alanz	but allowing native representation underneath
2017-05-30 00:06:21	wz1000	alanz: ParamMap seems a bit limited to me. 
2017-05-30 00:06:40	alanz	in what way?
2017-05-30 00:07:27	wz1000	It loses all type information, and only allows strings and source positions
2017-05-30 00:08:13	alanz	ok, well, shake it up, let's see where it goes
2017-05-30 00:08:29	alanz	The principle is to have named params, from a limited set of types
2017-05-30 00:08:53	alanz	So the supported types do not have to be extensible in any way
2017-05-30 00:09:03	wz1000	OK
2017-05-30 00:09:04	alanz	for parameters from the client, that is
2017-05-30 00:09:43	alanz	And the LSP types should probably be re-exported via the semantictypes module
2017-05-30 00:11:17	wz1000	So, the allowed types can be drawn from the stuff lsp defines?
2017-05-30 00:12:02	wz1000	essentially the stuff following this: https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/protocol.md#text-documents
2017-05-30 00:12:39	alanz	no.
2017-05-30 00:12:46	alanz	More limited than that
2017-05-30 00:13:12	alanz	or rather, only stuff that appears in the request params.
2017-05-30 00:13:46	alanz	so it will include Position and Range
2017-05-30 00:13:56	alanz	Location
2017-05-30 00:14:20	wz1000	TextEdit?
2017-05-30 00:14:43	alanz	no, that is never sent as a param
2017-05-30 00:15:00	alanz	basically the stuff handled by VFS can be ignored too
2017-05-30 00:15:19	alanz	so we only care about stuff that will go through to a plugin to process
2017-05-30 00:15:31	wz1000	But we would need to respond with a text edit sometimes, right?
2017-05-30 00:16:14	alanz	Ok, I think we misunderstand each other
2017-05-30 00:16:30	alanz	ParamMap is for the requests from the client only
2017-05-30 00:16:46	alanz	There is/should be a separate type for the replies
2017-05-30 00:17:14	wz1000	Ah, I missed that part
2017-05-30 00:17:26	alanz	which makes checking validity simpler
2017-05-30 00:17:54	alanz	And it is why ParamMap is set up as it is at the moment. A small set of named values, from a limited set of types
2017-05-30 00:18:41	wz1000	TextDocumentIdentifier?
2017-05-30 00:20:28	alanz	yes, it comes as a param
2017-05-30 00:20:50	wz1000	Also, what about plain integers?
2017-05-30 00:21:23	alanz	possibly, we have not needed them in the past
2017-05-30 00:21:31	wz1000	I wanted my hoogle plugin to take in number of requests to show as an argument
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2017-05-30 00:21:54	alanz	ok, I was just about to say we wait until we have a use case. And now we do :)
2017-05-30 00:22:01	wz1000	s/requests/responses
2017-05-30 00:22:17	alanz	I understood it that way
2017-05-30 00:30:48	wz1000	alanz: Also, instead of looping on a TChan, can't we just create a new thread per request and then handle stuff in a sequential manner?
2017-05-30 00:31:14	wz1000	making use of the magic of green threads?
2017-05-30 00:31:30	alanz	how do you mean "in a sequential manner"
2017-05-30 00:32:51	alanz	because the current architecture allows multiple transports to throw in requests asynchronously, and they will all happen sequentially, unless the plugin chooses to go parallel
2017-05-30 00:33:08	alanz	And I would prefer to keep that behaviour
2017-05-30 00:33:18	wz1000	I mean instead of crafting a call to the plugin and sending it and then moving on to the next message, we can just wait for the response and return it
2017-05-30 00:34:13	alanz	well, the transport does not know if the call is sync or async
2017-05-30 00:34:29	alanz	and we have a process of matching things up
2017-05-30 00:34:51	alanz	And it may be that a separate process decides to throw an async reply in at any time
2017-05-30 00:35:03	alanz	So I would rather keep the engine flexible
2017-05-30 00:35:20	alanz	And I do not believe the threading model is going to limit things. This is not a web server
2017-05-30 00:35:38	wz1000	ok
2017-05-30 00:37:15	wz1000	Our client capabilities depend on what plugins we have loaded, right?
2017-05-30 00:38:53	alanz	yes
2017-05-30 00:39:07	alanz	but in practice we should know what they are
2017-05-30 00:39:21	alanz	think of a standard haskell-mode config in emacs
2017-05-30 00:39:42	alanz	but it does allow the addition of extra ones, for experimentation or sit-specific stuff
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2017-05-30 00:43:16	alanz	wz1000: can you get the download url for the log for this build: https://travis-ci.org/alanz/ghc-exactprint/jobs/233162948
2017-05-30 00:43:29	alanz	my network is poked, and it does not show up
2017-05-30 00:44:05	wz1000	https://s3.amazonaws.com/archive.travis-ci.org/jobs/233162948/log.txt?X-Amz-Expires=30&X-Amz-Date=20170529T191349Z&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAJRYRXRSVGNKPKO5A/20170529/us-east-1/s3/aws4_request&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=host&X-Amz-Signature=92270f1f77c90044c4c9b0236df98c4c8e47a17311a998cc358f7692c2ba1a2c
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2017-05-30 00:45:19	alanz	gives me access denied. Damn.
2017-05-30 00:45:47	alanz	I think it does not like firefox, or some such. 
2017-05-30 00:46:05	wz1000	alanz: http://lpaste.net/1834243767477993472
2017-05-30 00:46:07	alanz	Never mind, I will sort it out elsewhere, do not want to jerk you around
2017-05-30 00:46:10	wz1000	I'm on firefox
2017-05-30 00:46:39	alanz	well then it is my local network. or privacy badger, or some such.
2017-05-30 00:47:00	wz1000	I copied it out to lpaste, does that work for you?
2017-05-30 00:47:39	alanz	yes, perfect, thanks.
2017-05-30 00:47:56	alanz	Seems free-4.12.4 is the problem
2017-05-30 00:48:17	alanz	but it builds fine on my local box. Weird
2017-05-30 00:51:13	wz1000	alanz: The free thing is just a warning
2017-05-30 00:51:21	alanz	yes, I noticed that.
2017-05-30 00:51:30	alanz	Looking for the real problem now
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2017-05-30 00:52:33	alanz	unknown package: filemanip (dependency of ghc-exactprint-0.5.4.0:*test
2017-05-30 00:53:01	wz1000	> The command "cabal configure --enable-tests --enable-benchmarks $CABALEXTRA -v2" exited with 1.
2017-05-30 00:53:24	wz1000	Thats where it starts to go wrong
2017-05-30 00:54:05	wz1000	Look around line 390
2017-05-30 00:54:45	wz1000	Sorry, 1070 in the lpaste
2017-05-30 00:56:10	alanz	yes, I saw, the problem is filemanip that does not fit in the solution.
2017-05-30 00:56:20	alanz	But it does for me locally. crazy
2017-05-30 00:56:21	wz1000	The lpaste is more readable if you curl it. Then it interprets all the escape codes properly
2017-05-30 00:56:35	alanz	yes, used wget then cat
2017-05-30 00:56:43	alanz	and looking in the terminal
2017-05-30 00:56:47	alanz	with color and all
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2017-05-30 00:58:35	wz1000	you aren't using stack?
2017-05-30 01:01:38	alanz	no, want to be able to build across multiple versions of ghc/cabal
2017-05-30 01:01:51	alanz	There are some of us who don't use stack for everything :)
2017-05-30 01:03:14	alanz	The other crazy thing is that matrix is green for 8.2. See http://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-exactprint
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2017-05-30 01:04:42	wz1000	What is it failing for?
2017-05-30 01:06:11	wz1000	I started using haskell about a year before stack came out. It was horrible. I used to nuke .ghc and .cabal every other day.
2017-05-30 01:07:05	wz1000	Maybe thats what you need to do
2017-05-30 01:08:46	alanz	its a travis build, and I already nuked the cache
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2017-05-30 01:09:08	alanz	cabal / hackage has come a long way in the meantime, and cabal new-build is getting really good
2017-05-30 01:09:47	alanz	and I recall those really bad days too
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2017-05-30 01:10:18	alanz	and I agree that stack has made it a lot simpler for random projects to just build
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2017-05-31 11:43:27	alanz	wz1000: We will be able to suggest HIE for this at the end of HSOC: https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/6ed1n8/is_there_any_ide_that_supports_viewing_haskell/
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2017-05-31 12:14:18	wz1000	alanz: Yeah, but it would only work for stuff in the hoogle database, right?
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2017-05-31 12:18:19	wz1000	I guess we can set up hoogle to generate the database for the local project
2017-05-31 12:18:24	wz1000	https://github.com/ndmitchell/hoogle/blob/master/docs/Install.md
2017-05-31 12:18:49	wz1000	But doing it on every save would be very slow.
2017-05-31 12:22:15	alanz	wz1000: I think there are two parts to this, one is having a message routed through and supported, the other is where the info comes from
2017-05-31 12:23:34	alanz	And we can potentially get info from various sources, depending on the user preferences.
2017-05-31 12:23:55	alanz	And that includes a local hoogle db, locally installed haddocks, or a web search
2017-05-31 12:24:19	alanz	And a lot of the time the required info is based on project deps, so should be accessible anyway.
2017-05-31 12:31:49	wz1000	One thing I've always wanted was a type aware completion system. So if i have f :: Int; f = xyz<TAB>, the completions would list all those terms in scope which have int in a positive position in their type.
2017-05-31 12:32:07	wz1000	Of course, this is probably out of the scope of our current project.
2017-05-31 12:33:49	alanz	yes, but enabled by the framework
2017-05-31 12:34:12	alanz	That is what I like about hie, it makes it easy to add stuff like that, and have it work all the way through to the IDE
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2017-06-01 16:30:14	wz1000	alanz: Do we need the swagger stuff, or should I rework it to work with the lsp stuff?
2017-06-01 16:32:51	alanz	I would ignore it for now
2017-06-01 16:33:10	alanz	We can decide whether to add it in later, but I do not see it as core
2017-06-01 16:33:26	alanz	We basically need LSP and stdio transports
2017-06-01 16:33:52	alanz	And there is some complex type stuff going on in there, so keep it simple and focused for now
2017-06-01 16:35:37	wz1000	JsonStdio, right?
2017-06-01 16:36:28	wz1000	So I can remove the swagger stuff for now?
2017-06-01 16:36:34	alanz	yes
2017-06-01 16:49:16	wz1000	alanz: Why is there a different Position in SemanticTypes and PluginTypes?
2017-06-01 16:49:58	wz1000	alanz: What is SemanticTypes for?
2017-06-01 16:50:15	alanz	You will see the LSP types grafted into SemanticTypes, as clones
2017-06-01 16:50:43	alanz	SemanticTypes are intended to be types that have a meaning in the IDE, so can expect to be processed meaningfully there
2017-06-01 16:51:17	alanz	in other words they should be safe to be used as the output of a plugin, with the expectation that an IDE can interpret them properly
2017-06-01 16:51:25	alanz	Across multiple IDEs
2017-06-01 16:51:59	wz1000	So can I just remove the LSP types from Semantic Types and reexport stuff from DataTypesJSON?
2017-06-01 16:52:01	alanz	So pretty much most of the Server->Client stuff in LSP should qualify, and be re-exported
2017-06-01 16:52:16	alanz	And the existing ones deprecated in favour of the LSP ones
2017-06-01 16:52:24	alanz	yes, that is the idea
2017-06-01 16:52:51	alanz	Otherwise we have duplication, as a source of future error
2017-06-01 17:19:44	wz1000	alanz: Is Language.Haskell.Exts.SrcLoc 1-indexed or 0-indexed?
2017-06-01 17:26:07	alanz	The non-LSP types are 1-indexed
2017-06-01 17:32:14	wz1000	alanz: Why don't you add one here? https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-apply-refact/Haskell/Ide/ApplyRefactPlugin.hs#L185
2017-06-01 17:32:45	wz1000	sorry, subtract one
2017-06-01 17:33:08	alanz	probably because the function is unused :)
2017-06-01 17:33:17	alanz	or has not caused a test to fail
2017-06-01 17:33:56	alanz	We should probably define types for 0-based and 1-based coords, to catch problems like this
2017-06-01 17:34:30	wz1000	I'm trying to shift to a zero based coord throughout
2017-06-01 17:34:51	wz1000	converting as soon as a one based is encountered
2017-06-01 17:36:25	wz1000	alanz: So I should subtract one there
2017-06-01 17:36:27	wz1000	?
2017-06-01 17:40:43	alanz	yes
2017-06-01 18:12:56	wz1000	alanz: What is the use of LspParam in LspStdio?
2017-06-01 18:13:16	alanz	hold on
2017-06-01 18:13:28	wz1000	alanz: nvm, figured it out
2017-06-01 18:13:59	alanz	Was about to say, the LspStdio is a protocol adapter between LSP and HIE internal
2017-06-01 18:17:19	wz1000	alanz: can I delete Swagger.hs?
2017-06-01 18:17:31	alanz	yes, that is what git is for
2017-06-01 18:41:53	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/94811deb01d5c47d404f5fc4bf5838ea8d04c49b
2017-06-01 18:44:39	alanz	wz1000: looks good
2017-06-01 18:44:46	alanz	do the tests pass?
2017-06-01 18:44:55	wz1000	yes, on my machine
2017-06-01 18:45:10	alanz	sounds good
2017-06-01 18:45:36	alanz	So that is probably the right preparation to be able to start takinng things forward
2017-06-01 18:45:44	alanz	Or is there more to do first?
2017-06-01 18:45:56	wz1000	It was surprisingly simple because you used toPos to construct Pos everywhere, and hardly ever used the constructor
2017-06-01 18:46:05	alanz	:)
2017-06-01 18:46:34	wz1000	I was thinking of adding all the Client -> Server types to ParamVal
2017-06-01 18:46:39	alanz	for that reason, did not want to have to conversion appearing all over the place. DRY principle
2017-06-01 18:46:49	alanz	sounds good
2017-06-01 18:47:00	alanz	But only for client requests
2017-06-01 18:47:17	alanz	So not for DiagnosticNotification, etc
2017-06-01 18:47:47	wz1000	ok
2017-06-01 18:48:10	alanz	Basically for things that will naturally end up as requests into the hie dispatcher
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2017-06-02 12:00:21	--	Topic for #haskell-ide-engine is "https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine. Still not an IDE. | Logs at http://ircbrowse.net/haskell-ide-engine | API Docs  https://haskell.github.io/haskell-ide-engine/ | POC Hierarchical menus in emacs https://i.imgur.com/n7M9ye2.png | POC leksah integration using https://github.com/JPMoresmau/leksah-server/tree/hie_integration and  https://github.com/leksah/leksah/tree/hie_integr"
2017-06-02 12:00:21	--	Topic set by alanz (alanz@gateway/shell/firrre/x-ndioycaynkxzpmlf) on Fri, 01 Jan 2016 16:29:43
2017-06-02 12:00:21	--	Channel #haskell-ide-engine: 24 nicks (1 op, 0 voices, 23 normals)
2017-06-02 12:00:23	--	Channel created on Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:10:19
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2017-06-02 12:25:44	wz1000	2017-05-11 18:36:37     alanz   One thing I want to revisit is to not serialise everything to JSON as it goes through the HIE dispatcher, only to be deserialised and then reserialised at the transport layer
2017-06-02 12:25:52	wz1000	This has been solved right?
2017-06-02 12:26:29	wz1000	I was just looking through the logs because my weechat ran out of memory last night and was killed.
2017-06-02 12:30:42	alanz	I think so, based on your commit. I need to take a closer look again. Which branch is it?
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2017-06-02 12:51:00	wz1000	alanz: master
2017-06-02 12:57:52	alanz	ok, looking now
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2017-06-02 13:14:02	wz1000	alanz: TextDocumentItem should be handled by the VFS?
2017-06-02 13:14:59	alanz	yes
2017-06-02 13:16:01	 *	alanz still waiting for a super-slow git clone. Because haskell-mode insists on building a stack project before letting you edit a file.
2017-06-02 13:16:46	wz1000	DataTypesJSON represents URIs as Strings, while they are Text in hie.
2017-06-02 13:17:07	wz1000	Should I switch to a single representation, and which one?
2017-06-02 13:20:19	alanz	The goal in hie (at one stage) was to use Text for everything
2017-06-02 13:20:28	alanz	Even if it means we change haskell-lsp
2017-06-02 13:21:11	wz1000	Ok, so I'll update haskell-lsp to use Text
2017-06-02 13:22:00	alanz	Great. In future we can use this: http://next.hackage.haskell.org:8080/package/str-sig
2017-06-02 13:22:22	alanz	Needs GHC 8.2 though
2017-06-02 13:22:31	alanz	I think
2017-06-02 13:22:51	wz1000	backpack?
2017-06-02 13:23:07	wz1000	yes
2017-06-02 13:23:27	wz1000	I've been waiting for backpack to drop for ages
2017-06-02 13:23:52	wz1000	Will 8.2 have full support for it?
2017-06-02 13:24:28	alanz	Yes. modulo the "first real version out there, oops there is a flaw"
2017-06-02 13:25:06	wz1000	Do we need VersionedTextDocumentIdentifier as a param arg?
2017-06-02 13:25:48	alanz	I don't think so, as those generally go through the VFS. The versions that is
2017-06-02 13:25:57	alanz	We do need to know the filename
2017-06-02 13:26:10	alanz	So DocumentUri
2017-06-02 13:35:19	wz1000	alanz: So do we pass around the filename as plain Text, or wrapped up in TextDocumentIdentifier?
2017-06-02 13:35:41	alanz	I would say a TextDocumentIdentifier
2017-06-02 13:36:04	alanz	So if there is ever something that is not file:// it will be plumbed through at least
2017-06-02 13:36:22	wz1000	alanz: So I replace the PtFile parameters with that?
2017-06-02 13:36:49	alanz	yes
2017-06-02 13:37:16	alanz	And it fits naturally into the way the LSP requests work
2017-06-02 13:37:47	alanz	At some future date we can put some sort of resolve function into hie, to convert the TextDocumentIdentifier into something local, if required
2017-06-02 13:37:48	wz1000	Then we have to strip out the file:// in the plugins
2017-06-02 13:37:56	alanz	Like that toPos I had before
2017-06-02 13:40:52	alanz	does that make sense?
2017-06-02 13:40:54	wz1000	Do we have to handle network resources over http or ssh?
2017-06-02 13:40:56	wz1000	Yeah
2017-06-02 13:41:35	alanz	I would save have a resolve function that errors if not file://
2017-06-02 13:41:47	alanz	And then we can deal with other cases as they aris
2017-06-02 13:42:33	alanz	In incremental mode it is just a handle, in the sense that we should be able to ask VFS for a file using it as a key
2017-06-02 13:42:56	alanz	(if that does not exist yet, we must make it possible)
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2017-06-02 14:16:41	wz1000	alanz: How do we represent filepaths in haskell-lsp?
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2017-06-02 14:17:30	alanz	we do not actually deal with them, only with the Uri, as an index
2017-06-02 14:17:50	alanz	i.e. we never have to read or write one of those from the filesystem
2017-06-02 14:18:28	wz1000	alanz: LanguageContextData has a FilePath, should I replace it with URI?
2017-06-02 14:19:06	wz1000	Uri is Text now
2017-06-02 14:19:12	alanz	That is the project root? Yes, probably a good idea to be consistent
2017-06-02 14:19:45	alanz	i.e. whatever type we use for the LSP Uri.
2017-06-02 14:20:04	alanz	Possibly we should go for the full-blown standards-compliant one. 
2017-06-02 14:20:35	alanz	But otherwise having something that can cope with "file://" and error on others would be ok, for now
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2017-06-02 18:02:53	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/27
2017-06-02 18:05:19	alanz	wz1000: my internet is shocking at the moment. ISP has a line break somewhere.
2017-06-02 18:05:25	alanz	So will have to look when I can
2017-06-02 18:06:22	wz1000	no problem
2017-06-02 18:23:52	alanz	managed to look, and merged
2017-06-02 18:24:18	alanz	I like the way you take the rootUri/rootPath
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2017-06-02 18:38:45	GreySunshine	Hi, does hie support language server protocol? I saw this issue https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/213 and couple more.
2017-06-02 18:40:42	alanz	GreySunshine: yes, but it is a work in progress
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2017-06-03 15:43:02	alanz	wz1000: this lens stuff for LspStdio makes coding much clearer
2017-06-03 15:47:12	wz1000	yeah, the type annotations were really annoying.
2017-06-03 15:47:28	wz1000	I probably won't be able to get much done today.
2017-06-03 15:48:02	wz1000	something went wrong with an update to sudo yesterday
2017-06-03 15:48:22	alanz	no problem. It is the weekend after all :)
2017-06-03 15:48:32	wz1000	I tried downgrading, but that just screwed even more things up. Now I'm reinstalling from scratch...
2017-06-03 15:48:46	alanz	ok, good luck. What distro?
2017-06-03 15:48:51	wz1000	Arch
2017-06-03 15:49:07	alanz	ok, I can't help, Debian testing is my poison
2017-06-03 15:52:15	wz1000	Thats the rolling release one, right?
2017-06-03 15:52:22	wz1000	Or is that unstable?
2017-06-03 16:00:38	wz1000	Now I have to figure out the incantation that will make windows stop overriding my efi boot order
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2017-06-03 16:19:33	alanz	wz1000: debian testing is the rolling release one. Been running it for over 20 years and had very few upgrade issues
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2017-06-03 19:53:47	alanz	wz1000: FYI, I am updating haskell-lsp to fix https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/234, and have had to merge your master into my fix, for the Text changes
2017-06-03 20:06:27	wz1000	alanz: Ok, which branch?
2017-06-03 20:06:44	alanz	on my side or yours?
2017-06-03 20:06:49	wz1000	yours
2017-06-03 20:07:01	alanz	I merged your master, but still issue. Fewer though.
2017-06-03 20:07:19	alanz	I have not pushed my branch yet, will do soon. Just chasing some bugs atm
2017-06-03 20:07:27	wz1000	ok
2017-06-03 20:08:31	alanz	just pushed the haskell-lsp change
2017-06-03 20:09:59	alanz	wz1000: is your master branch up to date on github?
2017-06-03 20:10:24	wz1000	lsp is. hie has some minor uncommitted changes
2017-06-03 20:10:58	alanz	ok, and you are still fighting sudo, I guess?
2017-06-03 20:12:31	wz1000	No, I'm mostly done with that.
2017-06-03 20:12:38	wz1000	Do you have something for me to do?
2017-06-03 20:12:40	alanz	But I think I may have screwed something up, I am seeing changes that I do not expect. Or rather things I presume would have been done already. 
2017-06-03 20:12:51	alanz	Your branch compiles?
2017-06-03 20:13:45	alanz	I am sort of in the middle of a change, so I can't really get you involved right now.
2017-06-03 20:14:14	alanz	As I need to get it to compile so I can make the one line change I need to do :)
2017-06-03 20:14:15	wz1000	lsp? I'll try, but it'll take a bit as I wiped out the stack cache.
2017-06-03 20:15:26	wz1000	alanz: It compiled
2017-06-03 20:15:53	alanz	ok, I am going to push mine shortly, just updating the haskell-lsp commit in stack
2017-06-03 20:16:55	alanz	See https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/bug-flush-diagnostics
2017-06-03 20:19:16	alanz	Ok, there is a String to Text change in haskell-lsp master, which does not seem to be worked through to hie?
2017-06-03 20:19:41	alanz	And this is what I have hit.
2017-06-03 20:19:44	wz1000	I haven't built hie against the Text version of lsp yet
2017-06-03 20:20:03	alanz	ok, that explains it. I will plow on :)
2017-06-03 20:20:58	alanz	The way I was accumulating diagnostics by source meant I could never clear the diags for a given source.
2017-06-03 20:21:05	alanz	So I am working that in now
2017-06-03 20:21:23	wz1000	btw I updated this part to be up to spec along with the string to text conversion: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-lsp/commit/1e3840203a23cf343024595f11642c69a3927c0b#diff-690cb0cd60c65fc445b90fa82263d938L470
2017-06-03 20:22:30	alanz	yes I saw. Great.
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2017-06-03 20:53:22	wz1000	alanz: Are you done with that bug and the merge?
2017-06-03 20:53:41	alanz	yes, just running tests locally, then will push and PR
2017-06-03 20:55:32	alanz	wz1000: branch updated
2017-06-03 20:57:36	wz1000	You can use J.uriToFilePath instead of T.drop (T.length ...) now
2017-06-03 20:58:19	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/235
2017-06-03 20:58:27	--	Notice(GitHub94): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #235: Clear diagnostics per source when no errors reported (master...bug-flush-diagnostics) https://git.io/vH23u
2017-06-03 20:58:30	alanz	I know there are MUCH easier ways to do it
2017-06-03 20:58:44	alanz	But I wanted to focus on the other, and I know you are planning to do it
2017-06-03 20:59:00	alanz	So I held my nose and did the simplest change
2017-06-03 21:00:21	alanz	So I propose a merge to master and then you can do what you were intending to do.
2017-06-03 21:00:55	alanz	And it is good to see people actually trying to use it
2017-06-03 21:02:32	wz1000	yes.
2017-06-03 21:02:55	alanz	Which reminds me, time to go back to dogfooding it.
2017-06-03 21:03:05	wz1000	Do you know how to convert lazy Text to strict ByteString?
2017-06-03 21:03:14	alanz	Which I do not do when working on hie, do not want to have to restart all the time
2017-06-03 21:04:00	alanz	hmm, I did have an incantation once. There actually should be cheatsheet or bot for this. Wishful thinking
2017-06-03 21:04:18	alanz	does hoogle give anything?
2017-06-03 21:05:31	alanz	there will be a fromChunks in it somewhere
2017-06-03 21:05:59	wz1000	Or I can just use fromLazy
2017-06-03 21:06:24	alanz	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/text-1.2.2.2/docs/Data-Text-Lazy-Encoding.html
2017-06-03 21:06:34	alanz	encodeUtf8
2017-06-03 21:07:10	alanz	It is a kind of weird name/place for it. But it does the job
2017-06-03 21:07:25	wz1000	that will have to be composed with fromChunks, right?
2017-06-03 21:07:34	wz1000	Because it is a lazy ByteString
2017-06-03 21:08:22	alanz	I'm not sure. Possibly.
2017-06-03 21:08:46	alanz	will have to remove laziness, either before or after conversion.
2017-06-03 21:09:18	alanz	so whichever side you prefer
2017-06-03 21:10:58	wz1000	alanz: I just saw Utility.logs. Won't be needing to do that now.
2017-06-03 21:11:17	alanz	fine. The less code the better.
2017-06-03 21:11:56	alanz	Maybe introduce logt?
2017-06-03 21:12:26	alanz	or just log, as taking Text. Or is that already the case?
2017-06-03 21:12:59	alanz	the idea is to make generating something to be logged easy
2017-06-03 21:17:23	alanz	wz1000: See https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/28
2017-06-03 21:21:28	wz1000	So how are you removing old diagnostics now?
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2017-06-03 21:27:52	alanz	It is a map, we now present diagnostics keyed by the source, so you can set source to say ghcmod and the diags to []
2017-06-03 21:28:49	alanz	previously it was just a list of diags, and the haskell-lsp side converted it to that map internally before applying it. So it just moves that step out to the client.
2017-06-03 21:29:55	alanz	See the updateDiagnostics change in https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/28/files
2017-06-03 21:32:20	wz1000	ok, I'll rebase on once you merge these.
2017-06-03 21:36:42	alanz	which? 
2017-06-03 21:36:56	alanz	which project, rebase which branch?
2017-06-03 21:54:58	GreySunshine	Hi, I've been trying to install hie. I'm not able to. Here is the log of installation (https://paste.pound-python.org/show/oNkwlXRX4GsqnbmQcEMq/). I'm using Fedora-25. Please help.
2017-06-03 21:56:39	alanz	GreySunshine: you need to use your package manager to install the dev versions of : Missing C libraries: icuuc, icui18n, icudata
2017-06-03 21:56:58	alanz	via yum, or whatever fedora uses
2017-06-03 21:58:02	GreySunshine	alanz, I tried, I couldn't find a package named icuuc and the rest.
2017-06-03 21:59:36	alanz	in 2012 it was called libicu
2017-06-03 21:59:57	alanz	as in "yum install libicu" (https://pixinsight.com/forum/index.php?topic=5010.0)
2017-06-03 22:01:13	alanz	GreySunshine: this may help too https://www.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=pkgconfig%28icu-i18n%29
2017-06-03 22:01:15	alanz	via google
2017-06-03 22:01:54	GreySunshine	Sorry, I should have done that. I only used my package manager.
2017-06-03 22:09:58	alanz	Sometimes these things map through weirdly in terms of package names, I have found
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2017-06-03 23:02:43	--	Notice(GitHub36): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 6 new commits to master: https://git.io/vH2CK
2017-06-03 23:02:43	--	Notice(GitHub36): haskell-ide-engine/master 94811de Zubin Duggal: Removed swagger, started using real haskell-lsp types instead of duplicates, started using zero based indexing universally, converting as soon as possible
2017-06-03 23:02:43	--	Notice(GitHub36): haskell-ide-engine/master b5a121f Alan Zimmerman: Work in progress, need to merge wz1000 wip
2017-06-03 23:02:43	--	Notice(GitHub36): haskell-ide-engine/master 0c09ec0 Alan Zimmerman: Merge remote-tracking branch 'wz1000/master' into bug-flush-diagnostics...
2017-06-03 23:02:44	--	Notice(GitHub19): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #235: Clear diagnostics per source when no errors reported (master...bug-flush-diagnostics) https://git.io/vH23u
2017-06-04 00:44:32	wz1000	alanz: stack repl gives a type error on example/Main.hs in haskell-lsp for some reason. stack build works just fine
2017-06-04 00:45:40	alanz	odd
2017-06-04 00:46:11	alanz	with current master?
2017-06-04 00:46:17	alanz	after my commit?
2017-06-04 00:47:30	alanz	For me on master I get a couple of warnings but it loads?
2017-06-04 00:48:13	wz1000	Yeah
2017-06-04 00:48:19	wz1000	I get a type error on line 320
2017-06-04 00:50:01	wz1000	alanz: btw I'm wrapping Uri in a newtype
2017-06-04 00:50:10	alanz	sounds good
2017-06-04 00:50:36	wz1000	I'm using GeneralisedNewtypeDeriving so the Aeson instances should remain the same
2017-06-04 00:50:40	alanz	I went "stack repl" in the root dir, and it worked
2017-06-04 00:52:23	wz1000	Ok, I renamed my .ghci and it worked
2017-06-04 00:52:29	alanz	:)
2017-06-04 00:55:00	wz1000	alanz: Whats TaggedParamId for?
2017-06-04 00:55:23	alanz	It is part of the type magic
2017-06-04 00:55:39	alanz	No 100% sure how it works, but it does. Hold on
2017-06-04 00:56:17	alanz	See https://github.com/cocreature/purelyfunctional-blog/blob/master/posts/2016-01-01-servant-from-data.md
2017-06-04 00:56:43	alanz	We should probably add a reference to that post in there somewhere
2017-06-04 00:57:09	alanz	And I would prefer not to completely undo that stuff, if possible
2017-06-04 00:57:50	wz1000	I'm not. I'm just adding on to it
2017-06-04 00:58:44	alanz	ok
2017-06-04 00:58:56	cocreature	fwiw I don’t mind at all if you undo that :)
2017-06-04 00:59:17	alanz	well, there is good functionality in there.
2017-06-04 00:59:42	alanz	Although I do see us changing focus, and simplifying to support the new direction is good.
2017-06-04 00:59:56	alanz	And swagger/servant is not part of the current vision
2017-06-04 01:00:22	cocreature	most of that stuff is only needed for servant since it forces you to have that info at the typelevel. apart from that I’m not sure if having it at the typelevel provides that much benefit
2017-06-04 01:00:47	alanz	ok, well then it can come out if it gets in the way. Simpler is better.
2017-06-04 01:01:11	alanz	But I reckon we keep a reference to the blog post, for if it must ever come back
2017-06-04 01:01:21	alanz	wz1000: you ok with that?
2017-06-04 01:01:57	wz1000	yeah, but I'm not touching that stuff too much right now. 
2017-06-04 01:02:33	alanz	ok
2017-06-04 01:02:54	alanz	wz1000: you're up late
2017-06-04 01:05:43	wz1000	the quiet helps me concentrate.
2017-06-04 01:06:37	alanz	yes, a lot of people only hit their stride late in the day.
2017-06-04 01:14:02	wz1000	alanz: Do we still need the JSON instances for the stuff in Singletons and PluginTypes?
2017-06-04 01:14:14	wz1000	since we removed the swagger bits
2017-06-04 01:16:53	alanz	if there is no external driver for it, then they can go.
2017-06-04 01:17:16	alanz	ping hamishmack 
2017-06-04 01:27:33	wz1000	alanz: Should the uri -> FilePath conversion be handled in plugins or in the dispatcher?
2017-06-04 01:28:10	alanz	I would say plugins, it gives most flxibility.
2017-06-04 01:28:27	alanz	And then we provide a library function to do it, so it is trivial
2017-06-04 01:29:12	alanz	It is basically like the fromChunks thing. Has to happen somewhere. May as well put it where it is easy to override on a case by case basis
2017-06-04 01:29:39	wz1000	Yes, but the function can fail
2017-06-04 01:29:54	wz1000	And we need to handle that individually in each case
2017-06-04 01:32:38	alanz	true. 
2017-06-04 01:33:10	alanz	well, maybe we pass it through as ParamFile, and if a plugin NEEDS a Uri it can ask for it via a different type
2017-06-04 01:33:35	alanz	because having a consistent error handling, before it goes out of LSP would be a good thing
2017-06-04 01:34:49	wz1000	I've written something like pluginGetUri :: (PluginName = Text) -> Uri -> (FilePath -> a) -> a
2017-06-04 01:35:49	wz1000	and I just add this line to each plugin Right (ParamFile uri ...) -> do pluginGetUri "applyOne: " uri $ \file -> do
2017-06-04 01:36:14	wz1000	Which generates the correct message in case of failure
2017-06-04 01:36:56	wz1000	And the rest of the code remains the same
2017-06-04 01:37:28	alanz	ok, sounds good
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2017-06-04 03:24:42	hamishmack	alanz: pong
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2017-06-04 03:30:47	alanz_	hamishmack: are you still integrated to his in leksah? Via plugintypes?
2017-06-04 03:31:49	hamishmack	his?
2017-06-04 03:31:57	alanz_	s/his/hie/ 
2017-06-04 03:32:19	alanz_	On a tablet, bloody autocorrect
2017-06-04 03:33:40	hamishmack	We still have a branch that hie_integration, but it has not been merged
2017-06-04 03:33:55	hamishmack	https://github.com/leksah/leksah/tree/hie_integration
2017-06-04 03:34:34	hamishmack	I am not sure how it integrates
2017-06-04 03:34:54	alanz_	OK. because we are moving towards using the language server protocol as the primary interface
2017-06-04 03:35:11	hamishmack	Are there haskell bindings for that we can use?
2017-06-04 03:35:22	alanz_	So if it is not merged it has probably rotted
2017-06-04 03:35:35	alanz_	Yes, haskell-lsp
2017-06-04 03:35:41	alanz_	On my github
2017-06-04 03:36:08	hamishmack	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp
2017-06-04 03:36:10	hamishmack	Cool
2017-06-04 03:36:46	alanz_	Yes.
2017-06-04 03:37:08	alanz_	So we can kill the plugintypes?
2017-06-04 03:37:22	hamishmack	Is this example https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/master/example/Main.hs client side or server side?
2017-06-04 03:38:29	alanz_	Client side. We have no server side examples, bar the emacs lsp-mode and the vscode integration in javascript
2017-06-04 03:38:54	alanz_	https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-mode
2017-06-04 03:39:08	hamishmack	Cool
2017-06-04 03:39:22	wz1000	alanz_: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/5ac42623a89be6948dceb4fe6cdd438006472f53
2017-06-04 03:39:51	wz1000	A couple of JSON roundtrip tests are failing because I haven't implemented all the instances properly
2017-06-04 03:40:37	wz1000	also https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/29
2017-06-04 03:41:18	alanz_	hamishmack: https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell
2017-06-04 03:41:19	hamishmack	So leksah would be a client right?
2017-06-04 03:41:25	alanz_	Yes
2017-06-04 03:41:44	alanz_	wz1000: will look shortly
2017-06-04 03:42:11	wz1000	ok, I'm going to bed now.
2017-06-04 03:42:35	alanz_	hamishmack, some of the current leksah server stuff could move into hie too
2017-06-04 03:42:58	alanz_	wz1000, good night, chat tomorrow
2017-06-04 03:43:26	wz1000	good night
2017-06-04 03:45:17	alanz_	Or even just exposed as a plugin. I am thinking of the documentation etc
2017-06-04 03:47:17	hamishmack	I guess the first goal would probably be to update the stuff JP did to use lsp
2017-06-04 03:47:51	alanz_	Yes. Or even approach it from scratch.
2017-06-04 03:48:50	alanz_	Of course most of the functionality is already baked into leksah.
2017-06-04 03:48:51	hamishmack	I think some of the UI stuff he did may still work fine
2017-06-04 03:49:12	alanz_	So maybe not much point to it
2017-06-04 03:49:47	alanz_	But it does provide a path to the HaRe commands
2017-06-04 03:50:13	hamishmack	IIRC the feature JP got working was showing the type at a given location
2017-06-04 03:50:27	hamishmack	not something leksah can does on its own
2017-06-04 03:50:56	alanz_	Yes, that is in hie/LSP, via the hover message
2017-06-04 03:51:57	alanz_	Can also generate diagnostics via hlint and ghc, and apply the hlint stuff
2017-06-04 03:52:14	alanz_	But leksah can already do that anywasy
2017-06-04 03:52:42	hamishmack	No it can’t
2017-06-04 03:53:08	alanz_	But to me the main advantage is to pool resources for the fancy stuff
2017-06-04 03:53:22	hamishmack	In ghci mode it can look up the type of name
2017-06-04 03:53:35	hamishmack	But it does not use the source location
2017-06-04 03:53:46	hamishmack	so it can easily get it wrong
2017-06-04 03:53:49	alanz_	Ok
2017-06-04 03:56:50	hamishmack	BTW does hie play nice with cabal.project files?
2017-06-04 03:57:11	alanz_	Yes
2017-06-04 03:57:35	alanz_	Or rather, it will, as ghc-mod does
2017-06-04 03:57:48	alanz_	Coming soon
2017-06-04 03:58:06	alanz_	Need cabal 2.0 out first
2017-06-04 03:58:39	alanz_	And the whole new-build thing
2017-06-04 03:58:41	hamishmack	I have been waiting for that before releasing Leksah too
2017-06-04 03:58:58	alanz_	Which I use a lot, it is great
2017-06-04 04:00:27	alanz_	I believe it will be out around mid June. Around when the next Debian lands too
2017-06-04 04:02:25	hamishmack	Cool.  I can hardly wait.  Leksah currently requires the 1.24 version of cabal new-build as it uses some horrible hacks to make it work.  I’ll be able to take those out once cabal 2.0 is out.
2017-06-04 04:04:04	alanz_	Nice
2017-06-04 04:04:40	alanz_	There are some major improvements from 1.24
2017-06-04 04:04:57	alanz_	In 2.0 that is
2017-06-04 04:06:15	alanz_	Anyway, I need to go to bed too, thanks for the chat. We still need to do that call re the shared back end server.
2017-06-04 04:06:40	alanz_	Unless you will be at icfp again, and we can talk thered
2017-06-04 04:07:31	hamishmack	I’m going to try to update JP’s branch of Leksah
2017-06-04 04:07:41	alanz_	Ok
2017-06-04 04:07:42	hamishmack	To use lsp if I can
2017-06-04 04:07:52	alanz_	Sounds good
2017-06-04 04:08:09	hamishmack	I’ll just leave put stubs in if I can’t
2017-06-04 04:08:40	alanz_	Ok
2017-06-04 04:08:44	hamishmack	At least if we have the UI working it shoudl be easy to add hie support
2017-06-04 04:09:24	alanz_	Yes
2017-06-04 04:09:40	alanz_	Anyway, cheers
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2017-06-04 15:54:58	wz1000	alanz: I think we should rework the plugin api
2017-06-04 15:55:32	alanz	ok, in what way? You saw we do not have to preserve PluginTypes
2017-06-04 15:55:47	wz1000	Since we got rid of swagger are using a standard, specified protocol, all the documentation stuff is just boilerplate
2017-06-04 15:56:24	wz1000	Plus, there is no typesafety for IdeRequests
2017-06-04 15:56:54	alanz	Well, I am keen to keep the documentation, one of my big drivers is to be able to add extensible commands, which need to be documented.
2017-06-04 15:57:03	alanz	e.g. new HaRe refactorings
2017-06-04 15:57:28	alanz	And I am sure we had type safety in IdeRequests via the work cocreature did
2017-06-04 15:59:06	wz1000	I was thinking of providing handlers for all the stuff required and defined in lsp, and keeping something like the current api for the commands request
2017-06-04 15:59:42	alanz	Basically with the current setup, the plugin handler has to match the declared param types, else you get a compile error. Try it to see
2017-06-04 16:00:20	wz1000	There is no typesafety in the sense that if the ghcmod:type command accepts a File and a String, and you give a request with just the file, there will be no type error
2017-06-04 16:00:28	alanz	But I see us deciding what tool to use for what LSP function, in a way that can change over time
2017-06-04 16:01:10	wz1000	Yeah, so what about providing a handler for those, and the user can plug in the functions they want into the handler
2017-06-04 16:01:18	alanz	yes, but it will have an error response generated in the hie dispatcher, which automatically checks all that stuff
2017-06-04 16:02:13	wz1000	But you actually have to test your code to see if you provided all the parameters correctly.
2017-06-04 16:02:18	alanz	There is a tension between becoming a dedicated LSP server, and allowing extensibe tooling
2017-06-04 16:02:49	alanz	well, tests are not a bad thing.
2017-06-04 16:03:22	alanz	We can potentially write wrappers around the commands that do that for us.
2017-06-04 16:03:26	wz1000	Yeah, but it is better to typecheck- then you can't go wrong. For example, we aren't testing LspStdio right now.
2017-06-04 16:03:48	wz1000	Look at my last commit: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/852c907d1eead851fe87b36f20eb42eb76395643
2017-06-04 16:03:57	wz1000	The code was compiling just fine without this
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2017-06-04 16:04:09	wz1000	But the request would have just resulted in an error
2017-06-04 16:04:16	 *	alanz sorry, had quick phone call
2017-06-04 16:05:06	alanz	wz1000: So you are proposing adding requests specific to the LSP protocol, that will be passed through the HIE dispatcher in addition to the current ones?
2017-06-04 16:05:26	alanz	How will we route them to a specific plugin for action?
2017-06-04 16:05:56	alanz	e.g. diagnostics, which currently come from hlint via applyrefact plugin and ghc via ghcmod plugin, but could change in future?
2017-06-04 16:06:19	alanz	should be easy, actually, I guess
2017-06-04 16:06:29	wz1000	We have a record of Handlers; eg Handler { handleTypeAt :: TextDocumentDocation -> Type ...}
2017-06-04 16:06:58	alanz	and then?
2017-06-04 16:07:35	wz1000	then we can do Handler { handleTypeAt = ghcmodTypeAt ..} or Handler { handleTypeAt = ghcingTypeAt }
2017-06-04 16:07:58	wz1000	depending on how we want to handle type at point
2017-06-04 16:08:05	wz1000	sort of like xmonad
2017-06-04 16:08:18	alanz	ok
2017-06-04 16:08:32	alanz	Well, maybe put some code on the table so we can see.
2017-06-04 16:08:47	alanz	The idea is to focus on LSP as the driver, so I guess it does make sense.
2017-06-04 16:09:09	alanz	I just don't want to end up locked in to particular sources for particular kinds of info
2017-06-04 16:10:02	wz1000	About your concern about being too focused on lsp, we have to have some sort of protocol to communicate. Wouldn't it be better for it to be something standard like Lsp rather than something we make up.
2017-06-04 16:10:42	wz1000	Like the JSON protocol you are using?
2017-06-04 16:11:51	alanz	I am not that worried about the transport side, and we are basically focusing on using the JSON encodings for LSP.
2017-06-04 16:12:30	alanz	It is about keeping a level of flexibility in the routing of LSP requests from the client to the plugins at the back to service them
2017-06-04 16:13:08	alanz	So there is nothing holy about the JSON protocol, bar that arrowsvc_ is using it, so we have to negotiate changes with him
2017-06-04 16:15:29	alanz	But I guess we should focus on getting something out that is useful in a particular case, rather than being the conceptual framework that does not really do anything well
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2017-06-05 12:48:32	wz1000	alanz: Sorry, I went out for a bit yesterday. I'll make a prototype of my approach over the next couple of days, and then we can make a call.
2017-06-05 12:48:52	alanz	ok, sounds good.
2017-06-05 12:49:09	wz1000	btw, did you take a look at the last few commits to my fork of hie?
2017-06-05 12:49:10	alanz	I am going to be away for the next couple of hours
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2017-06-05 12:49:28	alanz	The ones bringing in the Uri newtype?
2017-06-05 12:49:31	wz1000	Yeah
2017-06-05 12:50:29	alanz	briefly. Moving in the right direction, its good to see
2017-06-05 12:51:10	alanz	btw, if you work on a branch it is easier for me to check it out locally
2017-06-05 12:51:28	alanz	I like to keep my master to match the one for haskell/haskell-ide-engine
2017-06-05 12:51:44	wz1000	ok, I'll do that from now on.
2017-06-05 12:51:59	alanz	thanks.
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2017-06-05 12:55:31	cocreature	alanz: fwiw you can use different branchnames locally (but it’s definitely more convenient when you don’t have to)
2017-06-05 12:56:46	alanz	I know, and I have been doing that. But I prefer to match, else it gets confusing if you are not careful
2017-06-05 12:56:54	 *	alanz afk
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2017-06-05 17:04:51	--	Notice(GitHub130): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #236: Using Uri newtype, added more Param Types (master...master) https://git.io/vHVvy
2017-06-05 17:05:01	wz1000	alanz: ^
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2017-06-05 18:30:14	alanz	wz1000: just got back to the office, have to run around a bit more, will look when I can
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2017-06-06 13:30:31	wz1000	alanz: How opinionated should we be when mapping lsp requests to haskell ide commands? For example, when we recieve a documentHighlight request, should allow the user to just choose the engine we use for getting type-at-point information, or should we allow the user to respond to the request in any way possible (eg: hoogle docs instead of type information)
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2017-06-06 13:48:14	alanz	In my view LspStdio can be very opinionated
2017-06-06 13:48:53	alanz	But, if there is a requirement, we can accept config stuff via LSP to use different backends for info
2017-06-06 13:49:43	alanz	And at the end of the day giving info from any available source is a good thing, especially if the source does not compile yet
2017-06-06 13:50:29	wz1000	Then I don't really understand the point of the current plugin system.
2017-06-06 13:50:54	wz1000	Why create a CReq "ghc-mod" ... instead of calling GhcMod.typeAt directly?
2017-06-06 13:51:20	wz1000	Since LspStdio already depends on a fixed set of plugins
2017-06-06 13:52:18	wz1000	btw, can intero handle unsaved changes to files?
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2017-06-06 13:53:24	alanz	I don't actually know much about intero, except that it is basically a souped-up ghci.
2017-06-06 13:53:42	alanz	As such I would imagine it would not deal with unsaved changes.
2017-06-06 13:53:58	cocreature	I’m pretty sure it does handle unsaved changes
2017-06-06 13:54:10	cocreature	at least for the on-the-fly error highlighting
2017-06-06 13:54:25	alanz	like flycheck, using a save to temp file?
2017-06-06 13:54:33	alanz	Or does it use flycheck?
2017-06-06 13:55:10	cocreature	it does use flycheck. not sure how exactly that handles unsaved changes
2017-06-06 13:55:10	alanz	wz1000: in terms of architecture, HIE was originally conceived to be pretty agnostic
2017-06-06 13:55:15	cocreature	I just know it works :)
2017-06-06 13:55:39	alanz	flycheck saves to a temp file every few seconds, and checks that. I think.
2017-06-06 13:56:09	alanz	wz1000: so the intention was that the plugins simply do their thing, without knowledge of which transport is calling them.
2017-06-06 13:56:40	alanz	So my mental model is still that transports do updates, and plugins are agnostic.
2017-06-06 13:57:07	alanz	And if it were not for arrowsvc, I would say we simplify down to the bare minimum to support LSP. 
2017-06-06 13:57:33	alanz	And maybe we still should. And provide a specific adapter for the kdevelop case
2017-06-06 13:57:42	wz1000	How would using the function directly instead of making a CReq make the plugin not agnostic?
2017-06-06 13:58:01	alanz	Because it makes more sense to have a useful tool, than something that is very generic but impossible to use
2017-06-06 13:58:31	alanz	Well, part of the model is to sequence commands, and to allow async plugins. 
2017-06-06 13:59:28	alanz	And the idea is that a plugin is integrated via a standard interface, and can then be exposed easily via all available transports.
2017-06-06 14:00:03	alanz	The intent is to make a star network instead of a crossbar one, so people can focus on working toward a single interface at a time
2017-06-06 14:00:26	alanz	Plugin devs integrate as plugins, transport users use plugins via a std api
2017-06-06 14:00:39	alanz	And IDEs can integrate via any transport
2017-06-06 14:01:01	alanz	This was the HIE intention.
2017-06-06 14:01:23	alanz	With the focus on LSP, it might be something we can revisit.
2017-06-06 14:02:14	alanz	I for one would love to collapse all the dozens of subprojects into one.
2017-06-06 14:12:07	alanz	arrowsvc: comment?
2017-06-06 14:13:44	wz1000	alanz: I think that approach was more suited to generic, custom transport protocols, documented by swagger.
2017-06-06 14:14:13	alanz	I know. Which is why I am leaning toward your approach. But want input from arrowsvc 
2017-06-06 14:14:19	wz1000	Now we need everything to conform to a specific protocol, we don't want plugin authors making up their own protocol.
2017-06-06 14:14:32	alanz	as he currently uses the json/stdio prototol
2017-06-06 14:15:41	wz1000	Also, should we use the temp files approach instead of the VFS? I think that would be easier to integrate with all the other tools.
2017-06-06 14:16:17	alanz	well, we can use temp files with VFS
2017-06-06 14:16:41	alanz	dump the VFS to a temp file, call the tool
2017-06-06 14:19:50	wz1000	When we dump, won't we have to clone the entire project?
2017-06-06 14:20:01	alanz	no. 
2017-06-06 14:20:21	alanz	e.g. ghc-mod already supports a map file for this mode
2017-06-06 14:20:46	alanz	where it's map file is the temp file on disk, standing in for the one from the project
2017-06-06 14:21:14	wz1000	Ok
2017-06-06 14:21:22	alanz	This will allow things like developing in a docker container with the IDE outside of it, and the target/hie inside it
2017-06-06 14:21:43	alanz	which is a sticking point at the moment, for some usages
2017-06-06 14:22:02	alanz	And flycheck does something similar too, in emacs
2017-06-06 14:34:58	wz1000	alanz: Does that mean HaRe also supports map file?
2017-06-06 14:36:44	alanz	it uses ghc-mod, so yes
2017-06-06 14:37:45	alanz	its one of the reasons it does use ghc-mod, as it sorts out the context, in terms of stack vs cabal and map files and cabal versions, and things.
2017-06-06 15:00:40	wz1000	alanz: why is "changed" being passed as a FilePath here: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-apply-refact/Haskell/Ide/ApplyRefactPlugin.hs#L232
2017-06-06 15:02:08	alanz	The "new" param is the new text, which does not have a file name. So "changed" is used to represent that.
2017-06-06 15:02:30	alanz	it is like when you parse from stdin, or from a string, and give a dummy file name string
2017-06-06 15:04:10	wz1000	I changed the HieDiff type to use Uri instead of FilePath. How should I handle this?
2017-06-06 15:04:57	alanz	I think that value is eventually thrown away, so perhaps make a dummy Uri, in similar fashion?
2017-06-06 15:05:28	alanz	HieDiff ends up being translated to a WorkspaceEdit, we should possibly simplify toward that anyway
2017-06-06 15:07:38	wz1000	alanz: So should I start using WorkspaceEdit instead of HieDiff?
2017-06-06 15:07:49	alanz	may as well.
2017-06-06 15:08:14	alanz	it saves the extra translation steps
2017-06-06 15:08:34	alanz	So the HieDiff type can disappear completely
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2017-06-06 16:02:44	wz1000	alanz: Whats going on here? https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs#L470
2017-06-06 16:05:07	alanz	Ah yes.
2017-06-06 16:05:11	wz1000	specifically with toWorkspaceEdit
2017-06-06 16:05:45	alanz	There is an executeCommand feature, where you send to the client a command that can be executed. 
2017-06-06 16:06:20	wz1000	the client or the server?
2017-06-06 16:06:32	alanz	At the moment this is set up as a plugin/command pair, so it can easily be mapped to a command in the hie dispatcher
2017-06-06 16:07:20	alanz	This is used for the applyrefact applyOne function, and for the various hare refactroings
2017-06-06 16:07:40	alanz	Which return a HieDiff (currently).
2017-06-06 16:08:10	alanz	But it is a general purpose mechanism so the toWorkspaceEdit is a kludge to to that conversion
2017-06-06 16:08:34	alanz	With the changes you are making we should get a workspaceEdit already, so can just pass it through.
2017-06-06 16:09:03	alanz	And in general we should set it up that the command returns a value which can go straight to the client
2017-06-06 16:09:38	alanz	The server tells the client that a command exists, it is exposed to the user, and can be selected.
2017-06-06 16:10:04	wz1000	Why would we get a HieDiff(or WorkspaceEdit)
2017-06-06 16:10:30	alanz	See https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/protocol.md#code-action-request
2017-06-06 16:10:50	alanz	if the command is to fix a hlint report, by changing the code
2017-06-06 16:10:58	alanz	or to rename a variable via hare
2017-06-06 16:11:23	wz1000	yes, but HieDiff is always returned. No plugin takes it as an argument.
2017-06-06 16:12:13	alanz	The reactor in LspStdio receives messages from the client, as well as from the hie ispatcher
2017-06-06 16:12:44	alanz	So that code is part of processing https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs#L424
2017-06-06 16:13:06	alanz	i.e. it is the result of the plugin, that must be returned to the client
2017-06-06 16:13:35	alanz	This thing needs to be able to operate asynchronously. 
2017-06-06 16:13:44	alanz	It is one of the things I care about
2017-06-06 18:09:34	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/30
2017-06-06 18:09:50	alanz	I literally just saw it :)
2017-06-06 18:11:51	alanz	And that better matches the spec : [uri: string]: TextEdit[]
2017-06-06 18:14:34	alanz	waiting for CI, looks good otherwise
2017-06-06 18:16:26	wz1000	Also https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/8d6af654b3bf79891c94db9650f8e688f32d69fd
2017-06-06 18:16:30	wz1000	but don't merge it
2017-06-06 18:19:02	wz1000	the hie one I mean. You can merge lsp
2017-06-06 18:22:57	alanz	ok, just commented on it. Looks good in general, some trivia regarding formatting in the tests
2017-06-06 18:23:27	alanz	The stack.yml dep for haskell-lsp looks strange in that commit too
2017-06-06 18:25:11	alanz	merged haskell-lsp
2017-06-06 18:26:19	alanz	Tomorrow is going to be fun here: http://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/motherofallstorms-forces-closure-of-western-cape-schools-9580858
2017-06-06 18:27:47	wz1000	I was waiting for you to merge haskell-lsp before updating the stack.yaml 
2017-06-06 18:28:01	wz1000	Damn, stay safe
2017-06-06 18:28:55	alanz	np
2017-06-06 18:29:16	wz1000	A cyclone hit Chennai(where I go to college) last December. Luckily I had holidays so was back in Delhi.
2017-06-06 18:32:46	alanz	lucky. I believe they are a lot worse. This one is 24hrs then over
2017-06-06 19:03:25	arrowsvc	So, what are you guys are up to? How would I talk to HIE if things change?
2017-06-06 19:08:36	alanz	still via JSON/stdio, just a different message set
2017-06-06 19:10:32	alanz	And the message parameters are going to change too, in any case. Same semantic info, just different encoding so we are not having to translate all the time
2017-06-06 19:13:14	alanz	arrowsvc: ^^
2017-06-06 20:07:22	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/7f85bae3ab4a5e3b25e2c0990bb933b5beee7933
2017-06-06 20:10:00	wz1000	Can you go over the entire PR once more?
2017-06-06 20:18:57	alanz	wz1000: looking now
2017-06-06 20:36:31	alanz	looks good, will merge when CI is happy
2017-06-06 20:36:55	alanz	Which may be in a few hours, I will have to be away for a bit soon
2017-06-06 22:47:05	wz1000	alanz: Don't merge yet, I found a bug in Dispatcher.hs
2017-06-06 22:47:15	wz1000	I'll also extend the tests
2017-06-06 23:09:51	wz1000	alanz: paramMatches here doesn't handle all the new param types I added(https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Dispatcher.hs#L164), but somehow the test for ghc mod (https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/test/GhcModPluginSpec.hs#L101) still ran perfectly?
2017-06-06 23:10:09	wz1000	Why isn't it giving an error?
2017-06-06 23:22:36	alanz	Not sure. Will take a look
2017-06-06 23:23:27	wz1000	alanz: I think I figured it out. I don't specify the extra parameter in the buildCommand.
2017-06-06 23:26:34	alanz	yes, that is where the spec comes from
2017-06-06 23:27:00	alanz	Which is why the type checking does (sort of) work through the dispatcher
2017-06-06 23:27:35	alanz	It's funny, the only way to really learn a body of code is to try and change it
2017-06-06 23:36:52	wz1000	alanz: Ok, so adding the correct SParamDesc led to me discovering a dozen other incomplete parts/bugs.
2017-06-06 23:36:59	wz1000	Missing JSON instances and the like
2017-06-06 23:37:24	alanz	ok, well that is good
2017-06-06 23:37:49	alanz	I was going to ask about the missing additional tests
2017-06-06 23:51:05	arrowsvc	alanz: Ok then, no problem.
2017-06-06 23:51:15	alanz	wz1000: I just copied you in a mail, introducing the HSOC guy working on emacs-mode. 
2017-06-06 23:51:26	alanz	He wants to make sure it works well with hie.
2017-06-06 23:58:20	wz1000	ok. But isn't hie going to work with lsp-mode, which is independent of haskell-mode? I don't get how haskell-mode would fit in.
2017-06-06 23:59:15	alanz	not 100% sure myself.
2017-06-06 23:59:39	alanz	But at the end of the day lsp-mode and haskell-mode need to play nice together
2017-06-07 00:00:01	alanz	So explicitly focusing on that, while cleaning up other stuff in the mode is not a bad thing
2017-06-07 00:00:44	alanz	I suspect it will end up a bit like flycheck, a general engine, and tailoring for each language, via well-defined config points
2017-06-07 00:01:20	alanz	The positive is that we are likely to get feedback on operation, as we move on with implementation.
2017-06-07 00:01:30	alanz	But we will see.
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2017-06-07 01:17:15	wz1000	alanz: I've run across an interesting bug in ghc
2017-06-07 01:17:26	alanz	yes?
2017-06-07 01:17:55	wz1000	http://lpaste.net/356072
2017-06-07 01:18:18	alanz	what happens?
2017-06-07 01:18:35	alanz	infinite loop?
2017-06-07 01:18:43	wz1000	yeah
2017-06-07 01:18:55	wz1000	but it typechecks.
2017-06-07 01:19:03	alanz	well, you are defining toJSON v = toJSON v
2017-06-07 01:19:07	alanz	effectively
2017-06-07 01:19:20	cocreature	how is that a bug in GHC?
2017-06-07 01:19:35	wz1000	Oh, brainfart
2017-06-07 01:19:35	alanz	it is a let loop, not a bug
2017-06-07 01:19:55	alanz	Pretty sure every haskell programmer has done that some time. I know I have.
2017-06-07 01:19:59	wz1000	I was trying to use the pattern matching to further specify the type
2017-06-07 01:20:05	alanz	And slapped my forehead when I saw it.
2017-06-07 01:20:23	alanz	It would have made sense if you did toJSON of the _
2017-06-07 01:20:24	cocreature	heh, yeah I definitely have done that too
2017-06-07 01:20:27	alanz	each time
2017-06-07 01:20:55	cocreature	btw which editor has the best integration for hie atm if I want to play around with it? I guess either emacs or vscode?
2017-06-07 01:20:57	alanz	And it does feel like GHC should ask you if you really want to do such a dumb thing
2017-06-07 01:21:12	alanz	cocreature: yes, either/both of those
2017-06-07 01:21:28	cocreature	heh ok, I’ll just try them both when I get to it :)
2017-06-07 01:22:04	alanz	I work against both of them. vscode as the gold standard, and emacs for daily work
2017-06-07 01:24:55	wz1000	we should probably switch to using one of those for hie development fulltime once hie is useable
2017-06-07 01:25:08	alanz	yes. 
2017-06-07 01:25:16	alanz	What editor do you use?
2017-06-07 01:25:58	wz1000	what I really wanted to do was this: http://lpaste.net/356073
2017-06-07 01:26:04	wz1000	I'm using spacemacs now
2017-06-07 01:27:02	alanz	yes, that makes sense.
2017-06-07 01:27:23	alanz	Ok, I am also using spacemacs, and the "toggle" branch of emacs-lsp
2017-06-07 01:27:38	alanz	It gives me good control of running lsp-mode per project, or not
2017-06-07 01:27:43	wz1000	I haven't tried emacs-lsp now
2017-06-07 01:27:49	wz1000	s/now/yet/
2017-06-07 01:29:18	wz1000	I'm not even using much of the haskell layer. I rarely start the repl process. Right now I'm quite happy with Etags and the default spacemacs completion
2017-06-07 01:30:10	alanz	I am old school, using inf-haskell mode. 
2017-06-07 01:30:32	alanz	I like things straightforward, and never bothered to learn the intero way.
2017-06-07 01:30:56	alanz	esp as it *requires* stack, and half the stuff I work on is not stack enabled
2017-06-07 01:33:01	alanz	btw, there is something based on intero, but supporting cabal floating around too. Forget the name right now
2017-06-07 01:38:35	alanz	Here we go: https://github.com/jyp/dante
2017-06-07 01:38:43	alanz	wz1000: worth taking a look some time
2017-06-07 01:38:50	wz1000	I've been having fun with spacemacs live search and replace. Its really cool.
2017-06-07 01:39:21	wz1000	I generated all of these https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-base/Haskell/Ide/Engine/PluginTypes.hs#L432
2017-06-07 01:39:42	wz1000	using this command: 432,440s/Pt\(\w+\)/instance FromJSON (ParamVal 'Pt\1) where\n  parseJSON = withObject "\l\1 parameter object" $ \\v ->\n    Param\1 <$> v .: "\l\1"\ninstance ToJSON (ParamVal 'Pt\1) where\n  toJSON (Param\1 x) = toJSON x\n
2017-06-07 01:42:22	alanz	that's the vim syntax for you. Very powerful
2017-06-07 01:43:44	wz1000	Spacemacs lets you see exactly what it will do as you type. That helps a lot.
2017-06-07 01:44:31	alanz	agree
2017-06-07 01:44:46	alanz	I use it to, for batch editing a highlighted region
2017-06-07 01:44:52	alanz	too
2017-06-07 01:44:57	wz1000	btw, https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/e43126bcaaec853a25c160b437383b79e298da37
2017-06-07 01:45:04	wz1000	I'm writing the tests now
2017-06-07 01:45:13	alanz	great, I saw the commit
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2017-06-07 02:37:49	wz1000	I just spent the last 20 minutes trying to figure out why quickcheck was failing, it turned out to be this line: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-base/Haskell/Ide/Engine/PluginTypes.hs#L251
2017-06-07 02:38:57	alanz	those catch all cases are always a problem.
2017-06-07 02:39:28	alanz	Not sure how to do this so you get a warning though
2017-06-07 02:39:41	alanz	And it still works, and is not a huge explosion of cases
2017-06-07 02:40:18	wz1000	It can be done if we double the number of cases: X == X = True, X == _ = False
2017-06-07 02:42:37	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/d9f7bed548da448c463717216350bc27702c85c8
2017-06-07 02:42:43	alanz	yes, that is what I was thinking too
2017-06-07 02:43:27	alanz	It's almost like you want to parameterise the constructor
2017-06-07 02:43:40	alanz	I wonder if the generic deriving would do it
2017-06-07 02:43:59	alanz	why not just deriving Eq on that?
2017-06-07 02:44:12	wz1000	I'll try
2017-06-07 02:44:14	alanz	that is what it is doing.
2017-06-07 02:45:31	wz1000	alanz: There is no Eq constraint on the ParamValP constructor
2017-06-07 02:45:37	wz1000	So it won't compile
2017-06-07 02:46:31	alanz	Can we put one on? Can't do constraints on types, but on the usage of it?
2017-06-07 02:46:41	wz1000	I think we can
2017-06-07 02:47:05	alanz	There is some deprecated extension, iirc
2017-06-07 02:47:13	alanz	which we should avoid
2017-06-07 02:50:09	wz1000	It just needed FlexibleContexts to put a constraint on the type, but the derving didn't compile
2017-06-07 02:51:28	alanz	why not?
2017-06-07 02:52:31	wz1000	It tries to write (ParamVal x) == (ParamVal y) = x == y
2017-06-07 02:52:56	wz1000	But we don't know if x and y have the same type
2017-06-07 02:53:11	wz1000	So it fails to match them
2017-06-07 02:55:02	wz1000	alanz: I think we can get rid of this boilerplalte if we add a ToJSON constraint to ParamValP : https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-base/Haskell/Ide/Engine/PluginTypes.hs#L493
2017-06-07 02:55:29	alanz	ok, sounds good
2017-06-07 02:55:36	alanz	The less code to maintain the better
2017-06-07 03:04:01	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/1b10f38e343e8aecb520568cdd928a654ada16fc
2017-06-07 03:05:12	alanz	looks good
2017-06-07 03:09:18	alanz	I will look again in the morning, sleep time for me
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2017-06-07 09:56:27	platz	does haskell-lsp/haskell-ide-engine support VSCode currently?
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2017-06-07 11:20:35	wz1000	platz: Yes. See https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server
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2017-06-08 00:42:55	alanz	wz1000: I have not merged that PR, I have the idea you are still going to update some tests?
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2017-06-08 11:54:08	wz1000	alanz: I did update some tests last commit. If you think more are needed, I will add.
2017-06-08 11:55:43	wz1000	Or any other changes
2017-06-08 11:55:55	wz1000	s/last/last to last/
2017-06-08 11:56:05	alanz	Ok, I will take a look, and then merge
2017-06-08 12:16:04	alanz	wz1000: merged
2017-06-08 12:16:08	--	Notice(GitHub73): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #236: Using Uri newtype, added more Param Types (master...master) https://git.io/vHVvy
2017-06-08 12:16:10	--	Notice(GitHub170): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 13 new commits to master: https://git.io/vHiQn
2017-06-08 12:16:10	--	Notice(GitHub170): haskell-ide-engine/master 5ac4262 Zubin Duggal: Using newtype Uri, added more Param Types
2017-06-08 12:16:10	--	Notice(GitHub170): haskell-ide-engine/master f19be46 Zubin Duggal: updated stack.yaml
2017-06-08 12:16:10	--	Notice(GitHub170): haskell-ide-engine/master 852c907 Zubin Duggal: fixed ghc-mod type request
2017-06-08 12:19:38	alanz	wz1000: what next?
2017-06-08 12:23:26	wz1000	I'm making a new transport as an alternative to LspStdio, which should work in a simpler, more straightforward way, avoiding the hie plugin api
2017-06-08 12:24:04	alanz	ok
2017-06-08 12:26:09	wz1000	alanz: What is dispatcherProc for? Initializing the HIE state?
2017-06-08 12:26:36	alanz	hold on ...
2017-06-08 12:28:15	alanz	that runs a thing similar to the reactor in LspStdio, that accepts requests from the transport, checks the params, routes them to the plugin, keeps plugin state if required, and routes replies back to the transport
2017-06-08 12:30:08	alanz	So from a haskell-lsp point of view it is the callback that forks a processing loop to be able to keep things async
2017-06-08 12:32:57	wz1000	alanz: Do we need a seperate processing loop? What if we just fork everytime we recieve a request? Like a http server?
2017-06-08 12:33:51	alanz	Well, there is a single ghc-mod session at the bottom that cannot be shared, so that must be handled sequentially
2017-06-08 12:35:14	alanz	And GHC as a whole can only exist once per process (in the o/s sense), due to linker, static vars, etc
2017-06-08 12:35:41	alanz	So it must either be sequentialised, or forked off as an o/s process
2017-06-08 12:36:20	alanz	But then we run the risk of having massive memory usage as we have multiple GHC sessions for the same project. All trying to "stack build" for example
2017-06-08 12:37:39	alanz	It also comes back to what our primary source of information is.
2017-06-08 12:38:08	alanz	If it is a ghci session (a la intero), then we just need to set one of those up and keep it alive
2017-06-08 12:38:53	alanz	And the client side takes care of the concept of a "project", so launches one entire hie server per project
2017-06-08 12:40:37	wz1000	alanz: So the plugins are run sequentially right now?
2017-06-08 12:40:44	alanz	yes.
2017-06-08 12:41:02	alanz	But there is provision for async usage.
2017-06-08 12:41:03	wz1000	Say if I have two IdeRequests, the second will block until the first finishes?
2017-06-08 12:41:20	alanz	And we should not block the main lsp messaging loop while they run.
2017-06-08 12:41:28	alanz	At the moment, yes.
2017-06-08 12:42:16	alanz	But I can foresee us for example caching the type information, or name lookups, so if a hover request comes in the info can go back immediately, without being trapped in the ghc session
2017-06-08 12:42:51	alanz	in other words, I think we need to put this thing together so that it can support async execution, even if it does not do it right now
2017-06-08 12:43:09	alanz	Or at least think about how it can be handled
2017-06-08 12:43:20	alanz	The thing needs to stay responsive.
2017-06-08 12:44:04	wz1000	ok.
2017-06-08 12:44:05	alanz	BTW, there is also a "$/cancel" message that can cancel a request. We need to think how that could be handled. I can imagine launching a compile or other expensive operation and then killing it.
2017-06-08 12:45:00	alanz	One possible model is to do all the ghc stuff in a separate process, which is what ide-backend did, but then they hit performance issues serialising everything to and fro to that backend
2017-06-08 12:45:30	alanz	https://github.com/fpco/ide-backend
2017-06-08 12:45:37	wz1000	Can't we use forkIO in the GhcMod monad using some monad base control magic(i don't really understand it)
2017-06-08 12:46:05	alanz	Nor do I. 
2017-06-08 12:46:23	alanz	But what I do know is that forkIO is just that. It returns something in IO
2017-06-08 12:47:37	wz1000	We serialize IdeResponses to JSON too?
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2017-06-08 12:48:49	wz1000	alanz?
2017-06-08 12:48:57	alanz	That is something that I believe should change
2017-06-08 12:49:10	alanz	We should only serialise in the transport layer
2017-06-08 12:49:53	alanz	So the plugin response can come straight through to the transport. It will need a ToJSON constraint, of course
2017-06-08 12:54:27	wz1000	alanz: Also, I don't like the whole CReq thing. It loses type information. What if instead of putting the CReqs on the TChan, we put the IdeM action itself?
2017-06-08 12:54:49	alanz	that could work
2017-06-08 12:55:26	alanz	and possibly make the plugin-lookup/param check stuff a call the transport could make.
2017-06-08 12:56:20	wz1000	Yeah
2017-06-08 12:56:46	alanz	so split doDispatch up as required
2017-06-08 12:57:36	alanz	And instead of passing in CReq, call with the appropriate params
2017-06-08 12:57:57	wz1000	And instead of having a list of acceptable ParamArgs, we have a list of acceptable Responses
2017-06-08 12:58:00	alanz	which gives more flexibility, and targeted (type checked) calls
2017-06-08 12:58:43	alanz	well, having a plugin easily specify a command and its required args, which can then be exposed in the client is important
2017-06-08 12:59:00	alanz	I am thinking of things like adding new HaRe refactorings
2017-06-08 12:59:43	alanz	One of the goals is to allow a plugin writer to focus on the plugin side,without having to mess too much with transports and clients
2017-06-08 12:59:52	wz1000	Those we will only really need for executeCommand
2017-06-08 13:00:01	alanz	yes
2017-06-08 13:00:24	wz1000	We can have a seperate api for things that extend that
2017-06-08 13:00:26	alanz	and the story for exposing them in the client is still evolving, as the LSP spec gets discussed
2017-06-08 13:00:46	wz1000	A stripped down version of the current plugin api
2017-06-08 13:01:01	alanz	But we do have working examples of them at the moment, so they should not get lost as you rework
2017-06-08 13:01:27	alanz	ok, sounds like an approach worth exploring
2017-06-08 13:02:56	alanz	FYI, the HaRe specific commands currently have to be hard coded in the client, as per https://github.com/alanz/lsp-haskell/blob/master/lsp-haskell.el#L14
2017-06-08 13:02:58	wz1000	Ok, I'll try to write it in a way such that it works in parrallel with the current approach.
2017-06-08 13:03:31	alanz	I strongly suspect we will end up tossing the current approach, but I think doing it that way will be a good step
2017-06-08 13:03:32	wz1000	alanz: Doesn't VsCode have a UI for the command stuff?
2017-06-08 13:03:45	alanz	you also need to write client side code
2017-06-08 13:04:06	alanz	But I am hoping that we can get quite a long way with codeAction and codeLense stuff
2017-06-08 13:04:25	alanz	The problem is you can't send a command that asks for params from the user.
2017-06-08 13:04:48	alanz	Seems to be a massive gaping hole, lots of people asking for it, in other contexts too. Not just LSP
2017-06-08 13:05:25	alanz	But we can always fall back to the old favourite of just creating an identifier like "newname10", and then renaming it.
2017-06-08 13:05:35	alanz	Which sorts out some of the things. But not all
2017-06-08 13:06:03	alanz	But there are issues on the lsp spec around this
2017-06-08 13:07:02	alanz	https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues/61
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2017-06-08 14:44:56	wz1000	Is this approach to passing plugin responses OK, or should I use Data.Dynamic since we alreaedy had a Typeable Constraint?
2017-06-08 15:01:02	--	Notice(GitHub23): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #237: Redoing plugin transport (master...new-lspstdio) https://git.io/vHPfb
2017-06-08 15:12:28	alanz	wz1000: looking ...
2017-06-08 15:14:48	alanz	wz1000: yes, looks good. Puts the serialisation at the right side of the dispatcher
2017-06-08 17:10:05	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/237/commits/93d67025733894d59beb28bd8225746bade88dd1
2017-06-08 17:10:25	wz1000	LspStdio almost compiles, but I haven't written the dispatcher yet
2017-06-08 17:11:21	wz1000	What is happening over here? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/237/commits/93d67025733894d59beb28bd8225746bade88dd1#diff-5a655777ea47d968463741fc0e8bdbfcL478
2017-06-08 17:13:42	wz1000	Also I disabled the executeCommand request for now.
2017-06-08 17:22:15	alanz	See https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/237/commits/93d67025733894d59beb28bd8225746bade88dd1#diff-5a655777ea47d968463741fc0e8bdbfcR464
2017-06-08 17:23:51	alanz	basically, not all commands result in a workspaceedit. But we will already be getting what we need, so those two legs of the case can collapse into one
2017-06-08 17:24:53	wz1000	So what do I reply with?
2017-06-08 17:27:46	alanz	Well, in the past we got a ReqExecuteCommand, and sent a message into the dispatcher with the plugin id and command, as received from the client, together with the params
2017-06-08 17:28:27	alanz	And because ExecuteCommand is completely general, it used to convert a HieDiff to a workspacecommand if needed, else just send the result from the plugin
2017-06-08 17:30:09	alanz	The thing you are processing there comes from this line: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/237/commits/93d67025733894d59beb28bd8225746bade88dd1#diff-5a655777ea47d968463741fc0e8bdbfcR367
2017-06-08 17:30:20	alanz	ie. we keep the original request
2017-06-08 17:31:29	alanz	And this is where we put together the original request into the dispatcher: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/237/commits/93d67025733894d59beb28bd8225746bade88dd1#diff-5a655777ea47d968463741fc0e8bdbfcL357
2017-06-08 17:41:49	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/237/commits/18b33eebae4949b4ac7b95b790fe6bd8fb7833f9
2017-06-08 17:45:49	alanz	looks like it should work
2017-06-08 17:52:42	wz1000	alanz: about the previous thing- What are we doing in the case when we don't get a HieDiff or RefactorResult?
2017-06-08 17:53:19	alanz	Well, that used to be the Nothing case, where we just send the reply
2017-06-08 17:53:43	alanz	Don't forget, ExecuteCommand is an extension point. So the reply can be anything
2017-06-08 17:54:42	alanz	so now we can just send back whatever we got from the plugin, as it now sends something that does not need conversion (bar toJSON)
2017-06-08 17:56:20	alanz	See https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/protocol.md#execute-a-command
2017-06-08 17:56:43	wz1000	And do we keep the old plugin api around? The new one is much smaller.
2017-06-08 17:57:30	alanz	Well, get it working and in place, I would like to play with it a bit, and ping arrowsvc around it.
2017-06-08 17:57:39	alanz	Then we can decide when/how to kill it
2017-06-08 17:57:49	alanz	If that is possible?
2017-06-08 17:58:27	wz1000	ok
2017-06-08 17:58:55	wz1000	I'll write tests for this next.
2017-06-08 18:01:30	alanz	thanks
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2017-06-08 18:02:05	alanz	I'm liking the way this is all shaping up
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2017-06-08 20:59:55	arrowsvc	Sigh.
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2017-06-08 22:12:12	alanz	arrowsvc: ?
2017-06-08 23:05:14	wz1000	alanz: So I just convert the PluginResponseWrapper to json and send it over?
2017-06-08 23:05:38	alanz	Hopefully
2017-06-08 23:06:06	alanz	Do we have wire level tests for this stuff? I seem to recall not
2017-06-08 23:06:44	wz1000	alanz: There are tests for the old dispatcher
2017-06-08 23:06:59	wz1000	Not for the stuff in LspStdio
2017-06-08 23:07:29	wz1000	We would have to run vscode to test this
2017-06-08 23:09:59	wz1000	I added my local git email to github. Now its linking my commits to my github account and updating my stats
2017-06-08 23:10:44	wz1000	I've deleted more lines from haskell-ide-engine than I've added :)
2017-06-08 23:21:58	alanz	that's a good sign
2017-06-08 23:24:13	wz1000	alanz: apply hint in vscode is not working for me
2017-06-08 23:24:42	alanz	it uses executecommand, which you commented out
2017-06-08 23:24:57	wz1000	ah, ok
2017-06-08 23:25:33	wz1000	what are we waiting for in the new version of ghcmod?
2017-06-08 23:27:31	alanz	It handles sessions more reliably
2017-06-08 23:28:23	alanz	in that it properly detects that a session is the same, so does not do a reconfigure, blah blah when you load a file
2017-06-08 23:28:51	alanz	but dxld does not seem to be in any kind of hurry
2017-06-08 23:29:11	alanz	I think it is the flood of complaints / issues whenever a new release goes out
2017-06-08 23:32:30	wz1000	alanz: Do we need RefactorResult, or should I just fold it into a WorkspaceEdit
2017-06-08 23:32:48	alanz	WorkspaceEdit is fine
2017-06-08 23:55:53	wz1000	alanz: Why do you first reply with an empty object then with the workspace edit? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/237/commits/93d67025733894d59beb28bd8225746bade88dd1#diff-5a655777ea47d968463741fc0e8bdbfcR470
2017-06-08 23:56:21	alanz	the protocol requires it
2017-06-08 23:56:31	wz1000	ok
2017-06-08 23:57:10	alanz	"The workspace/executeCommand request is sent from the client to the server to trigger command execution on the server. In most cases the server creates a WorkspaceEdit structure and applies the changes to the workspace using the request workspace/applyEdit which is sent from the server to the client."
2017-06-08 23:59:09	wz1000	but you reply with an empty object first, and then the applyEdit
2017-06-09 00:00:35	alanz	yes, because the executeCommand needs a reply
2017-06-09 00:01:12	wz1000	can't the workspace edit be the reply? Thats how I read the protocol
2017-06-09 00:01:13	alanz	See https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/protocol.md#execute-a-command
2017-06-09 00:01:41	alanz	There was some discussion in the issues about it too.
2017-06-09 00:02:01	alanz	If I recollect. Explicitly stating my interpretation
2017-06-09 00:02:19	wz1000	cool.
2017-06-09 00:02:57	wz1000	Does Vscode need a reply for each request?
2017-06-09 00:03:41	wz1000	How would we test LspStdio?
2017-06-09 00:03:52	alanz	See https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues/34#issuecomment-269637925
2017-06-09 00:04:24	alanz	The protocol requires a reply to every request, but not to a notification. That is the difference between them
2017-06-09 00:04:54	alanz	And we should probably aim to do a functional test that actually sends messages.
2017-06-09 00:05:22	wz1000	So the tests would emulate a full Vscode session?
2017-06-09 00:06:21	alanz	We need to check that the wire stuff is correct, somehow.
2017-06-09 00:06:43	alanz	And it might be good to do that, as a sanity check. It will be quite a pain to do
2017-06-09 00:07:24	alanz	Maybe we should write a driver using haskell-lsp, and run the one against the other. 
2017-06-09 00:07:46	wz1000	We could write a DSL to generate vscode lsp sessions. I imagine other implementors would find it useful too.
2017-06-09 00:07:56	alanz	And possibly put the scaffolding for that in haskell-lsp, so we have two examples there, one for the client and one the server.
2017-06-09 00:08:03	alanz	yes, I agree.
2017-06-09 00:08:24	alanz	There is this nice shiny toy too: https://github.com/advancedtelematic/quickcheck-state-machine#readme
2017-06-09 00:09:15	alanz	One of the things that could be good is if this thing could be used as a general LSP test too, for other language implementations, some day
2017-06-09 00:09:30	alanz	Some kind of certification check.
2017-06-09 00:09:51	alanz	But that is probably more effort than is warranted for the current HSOC objectives
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2017-06-09 22:43:44	alanz	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14520512
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2017-06-10 00:35:21	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/382e7aad5ac65b7e3b45d069da168f84d5f84a24
2017-06-10 00:36:28	wz1000	I think its ready for merging now. 
2017-06-10 00:41:33	alanz	It looks good, I agree
2017-06-10 00:41:47	alanz	Just one minor question/comment
2017-06-10 00:42:55	wz1000	alanz: I don't know what happened to the newlines, I opened those files in VsCode. I think that did something
2017-06-10 00:43:13	alanz	ok, must be killing trailing whitespace.
2017-06-10 00:43:39	alanz	I know the ghc precommit hook complains about them missing, and they can screw up some tools.
2017-06-10 00:43:52	alanz	But if the tests pass it is probably fine
2017-06-10 00:46:34	wz1000	I ran into the "only one running instance of ghcmod". It cause everthing after the dispatcher test to fail until I added this: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/237/commits/382e7aad5ac65b7e3b45d069da168f84d5f84a24#diff-3a1a3fe04a19ce8c3b29845832ef100dR271
2017-06-10 00:47:42	wz1000	Thats the only test I could think of for the dispatcher. 
2017-06-10 00:52:01	alanz	ok. 
2017-06-10 00:52:50	alanz	One of the reasons I added the FunctionalTests.hs is to run the actual dispatcher on a sequence of commands, and make sure that a) it works and b) the ghc-mod GHC session is reused when it should be
2017-06-10 00:54:03	alanz	And the test coverage will increase as we bump into actual problems in the wild, and write tests to reproduce them before fixing
2017-06-10 00:54:54	wz1000	Should I add tests with the new plugin api to Functional?
2017-06-10 00:55:23	alanz	Either add them or modify Functional to use the new ones
2017-06-10 00:56:03	alanz	But right now Functional is more about making sure that the integration of ghc-mod is working as expected, so we do not need full coverage of features
2017-06-10 00:56:11	alanz	of plugin features that is
2017-06-10 01:06:12	wz1000	alanz: I saw this linked on the hn post: https://kythe.io/
2017-06-10 01:07:26	alanz	yes, me too.
2017-06-10 01:07:50	alanz	But I like the analysis saying keep it simple, so it can be widely adopted
2017-06-10 01:08:19	alanz	and lsp *is* getting widely adopted
2017-06-10 01:08:34	wz1000	yeah. 
2017-06-10 01:08:56	alanz	And the (original) design of HIE is to allow multiple transports
2017-06-10 01:09:06	alanz	So kythe.io is not ruled out :)
2017-06-10 01:10:03	wz1000	I think kythe.io wants the compiler to emit information.
2017-06-10 01:10:33	alanz	yes, it is a deeper integration.
2017-06-10 01:10:47	alanz	So needs more GHC changes before it is viable.
2017-06-10 01:11:06	alanz	Which will happen, if I have anything to do with it
2017-06-10 01:11:46	 *	alanz family time now, will check in from time to time
2017-06-10 01:12:16	wz1000	I'm going to bed too.
2017-06-10 01:13:29	alanz	I will merge when the CI passes.
2017-06-10 01:13:59	wz1000	wait until I add stuff to Functional.hs
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2017-06-10 11:31:11	wz1000	alanz: I thought of a way to eliminate PluginResponseWrapper. What if instead of passing the reply channel along with the plugin request, we pass a callback a -> IO (), where a is the type of the plugin response?
2017-06-10 11:32:02	wz1000	This would simplify control flow a lot too, as we could get rid of DispatcherResponse.
2017-06-10 11:32:59	wz1000	All the code that deals with a particular Lsp Request would be consolidated in one place, instead of being split into two.
2017-06-10 11:37:43	wz1000	But if we do this, then the response will be initiated on the dispatcher thread.
2017-06-10 11:54:36	wz1000	We can probably forkIO in the dispatcher to make sure the callback doesn't block up that thread.
2017-06-10 12:00:05	wz1000	Also, I think it means we can get rid of wip
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2017-06-10 13:19:03	alanz	well, that goes against the (original) channel concept. What if we want to use a different wire format in a transport? Or need to repack the message somehow.
2017-06-10 13:19:36	alanz	Wait, the (a -> IO) is the bit that currently exists in the handler for the PluginRespinse.
2017-06-10 13:19:44	alanz	ok, that could work
2017-06-10 13:22:10	wz1000	alanz: I'm talking about removing the pinReplyChan :: TChan PluginResponse and replacing it with an a -> IO () callback
2017-06-10 13:22:59	wz1000	Also, is it safe to send lsp reponses from multiple threads simultaneously?
2017-06-10 13:24:22	alanz	There is a thread in haskell-lsp to sort out the serialization. It did not used to be, and I got weird interleave errors
2017-06-10 13:24:39	alanz	I assumed a write to a handle was atomic. Seems not.
2017-06-10 13:25:16	wz1000	Ok, so if I forkIO the the callback in the dispatcher, that should work?
2017-06-10 13:26:01	alanz	That's the other problem. We lose control of the serialisation
2017-06-10 13:26:29	wz1000	why?
2017-06-10 13:26:38	alanz	So if there are two ghc-mod processed requests in a row, your new scheme will end up having them both processed at the same time
2017-06-10 13:27:24	alanz	why does the callback need to be forkIO? Just pass a function, it should then be the equivalent of what we have now
2017-06-10 13:27:51	alanz	Except, we lose any shared context in the reactor. Which is just wip? which goes away.
2017-06-10 13:28:25	wz1000	So that the dispatcher thread doesn't block while sending the response
2017-06-10 13:29:07	alanz	sending the response (for haskell-lsp) is non-blocking
2017-06-10 13:29:33	wz1000	alanz: LspFuncs should never change, right? I was thinking of moving that into a Reader and losing the Maybe
2017-06-10 13:30:14	alanz	Where would the forkIO happen? Do you envisage the (a -> IO) being something like \a -> forkIO (xxxResponder a)
2017-06-10 13:30:55	wz1000	alanz: In dispatcherP, where we are sending the response to the TChan
2017-06-10 13:31:12	wz1000	Instead of that, forkIO $ callback resp
2017-06-10 13:31:15	alanz	yes, it is only a maybe because of the initialization process. You need to receive the initial message from the client to set things up
2017-06-10 13:31:53	alanz	ok, the dispatcherP fork sounds like it should work.
2017-06-10 13:32:35	alanz	Although if we require the handler to fork if necessary it can be controlled per transport type
2017-06-10 13:32:46	alanz	Because it is not needed for haskell-lsp
2017-06-10 13:33:49	wz1000	alanz: Can't we start the reactor after we have got the IntitializeCallback?
2017-06-10 13:35:13	wz1000	alanz: Ok, so no fork in dispatcherP
2017-06-10 13:35:19	alanz	True, our dp function already has the info
2017-06-10 13:35:42	alanz	in LspStdio.run
2017-06-10 13:35:56	alanz	Code evolves, need to harvest the simplicity :)
2017-06-10 13:36:21	wz1000	So instead of writing the callback to the tchan, we can just start the reactor with the callback as an arg?
2017-06-10 13:36:28	wz1000	in dp
2017-06-10 13:36:36	alanz	yes
2017-06-10 13:36:44	alanz	that should do it?
2017-06-10 13:36:49	wz1000	I think so
2017-06-10 13:37:48	wz1000	After all this, ReactorInput should be reduced to just HandlerRequest
2017-06-10 13:38:15	alanz	great. Simpler is better
2017-06-10 13:39:34	wz1000	alanz: Also, do we have a use for hieReqId? Why not use LspReqId all around?
2017-06-10 13:39:44	wz1000	Since we don't need wip anymore
2017-06-10 13:40:25	wz1000	I was also thinking of making dispatcherP handle cancelRequest.
2017-06-10 13:40:46	alanz	Sometimes (e.g. generating diagnostics) we split a LSP reqid into 2 hiereqs
2017-06-10 13:41:22	alanz	cancelRequest can only really be handled by forking a subprocess and killing it
2017-06-10 13:41:33	alanz	Which we do not currently do.
2017-06-10 13:41:52	alanz	And which makes accessing the shared GHC session hard/impossible
2017-06-10 13:42:24	alanz	But I agree it should be handled in the dispatcher somehow
2017-06-10 13:42:26	wz1000	alanz: We can handle the case where we recieve a cancel request before we start processing the TChan message
2017-06-10 13:42:48	alanz	how? Needs a priority channel into the dispatcher
2017-06-10 13:43:18	wz1000	an MVar [CancelRequest]
2017-06-10 13:43:21	wz1000	?
2017-06-10 13:43:26	wz1000	Or something like that
2017-06-10 13:43:45	alanz	how can we wait on two things at the same time without polling?
2017-06-10 13:44:10	alanz	And I prefer queues, nothing says there will only be one cancel in flight at a time
2017-06-10 13:44:42	wz1000	The MVar stays full all the time. modifyMVar when we want to make a new cancelRequest 
2017-06-10 13:44:46	alanz	Thinking about it, hvr showed me how to read from two things in priority order without polling recently.
2017-06-10 13:44:55	alanz	let me dig it out
2017-06-10 13:45:08	alanz	it was really simple, just used alternative or some such
2017-06-10 13:46:00	alanz	realistically, the dispatcherProc just needs to drain the cancel queue every top of loop, and keep a list of requests to cancel.
2017-06-10 13:46:18	alanz	Then when it reads the requests, if it is in the list it does not action it
2017-06-10 13:46:25	alanz	so sync is not a problem.
2017-06-10 13:46:29	wz1000	Why does it need to drain the queue? Can't we keep the entire queue in an MVar?
2017-06-10 13:47:52	alanz	well, however the q is stored, what if a cancel request comes for a command that has already been processed? How do we know to remove it from the list of commands to cancel?
2017-06-10 13:48:04	alanz	Unless we assume increasing ids
2017-06-10 13:48:53	alanz	And by definition the dispatcher is supposed to treat the id as an opaque thing that it passes back to the transport, which only has meaning there
2017-06-10 13:49:10	alanz	For the case when more than one transport is active at the same time
2017-06-10 13:49:42	alanz	Which I envisage for us, for managing the ghci user interaction when we get to putting in a repl somehow
2017-06-10 13:50:34	alanz	But if we added structure to the hie reqid, which identified the transport origin, and then required increasing values we could purge it
2017-06-10 14:00:15	alanz	BTW: TChan vs MVar. There has to be complexity in managing the "currently active set of cancel requests", I would rather it is all on one side, than split out
2017-06-10 14:00:55	alanz	So if the transport just throws the message in a queue like all the others, then we keep the complexity in the dispatcher only
2017-06-10 14:01:38	alanz	And I guess it could be abstracted to a module offering operations on the store as well, as an alternative
2017-06-10 14:02:40	alanz	But, an MVar potentially pushes a blocking action into the reactor thread, making it hard to reason about
2017-06-10 14:14:03	wz1000	alanz: I was thinking we only read or modify the mvar after initializing it, which means there are no blocking actions.
2017-06-10 14:15:03	alanz	ok, so long as the modify mvar function is pure
2017-06-10 14:15:20	alanz	and short
2017-06-10 14:16:06	alanz	I have a personal aversion to this kind of thing, as you are relying on continued good behaviour on the "other" side, as the code evolves over time
2017-06-10 14:16:14	alanz	But I guess it can be managed
2017-06-10 14:16:37	wz1000	Ok, we'll figure out how to handle cancelRequest once I'm done with my other changes.
2017-06-10 14:17:23	alanz	I think we have a general plan, it is just the details. And in the scheme of things the details are not that important, so just do it whichever way you prefer
2017-06-10 14:38:58	alanz	btw, it seems LSP is becoming widely considered. See https://perplexinglyemma.blogspot.co.za/2017/06/language-servers-and-ides.html
2017-06-10 14:55:21	alanz	wz1000: see also https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/6ge908/lsp_haskellinteractivemode_landscape_of_tooling/
2017-06-10 14:56:47	alanz	It is the other HSOC guy
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2017-06-10 17:11:18	wz1000	alanz: Do we need the RequestId? The new dispatcher I wrote doesn't even pass it on since the plugin response is passed into the callback straightaway
2017-06-10 17:11:39	alanz	hmm, good point
2017-06-10 17:12:21	wz1000	And there is no plugin response type anymore
2017-06-10 17:13:02	alanz	seems superfluous then, I guess. The point was to provide a way of tying external ids like the LSP one up.
2017-06-10 17:13:16	alanz	Which now happens seamlessly anyway
2017-06-10 17:13:59	wz1000	So the reactor state is just the lspReqId now
2017-06-10 17:14:00	alanz	And the more complicated stuff like merging Diagnostics is happening in haskell-lsp anyway.
2017-06-10 17:14:08	alanz	ok, sounds good.
2017-06-10 17:14:13	alanz	slash and burn
2017-06-10 17:15:03	alanz	I was expecting the focus on a specific external protocol to result in major internal changes
2017-06-10 17:30:24	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/237/commits/dc088756b49e04a3d630423cdc6420f963ecbe7b
2017-06-10 17:32:19	wz1000	I should probably make a reader monad to pass around the LspFuncs
2017-06-10 17:34:14	wz1000	alanz: Why does HandlerRequest have an LspFuncs parameter?
2017-06-10 17:34:39	 *	alanz looking
2017-06-10 17:35:36	alanz	to get access to the client capabilities and VFS
2017-06-10 17:36:31	wz1000	alanz: Ok. So do we need the lf as an argument to reactor?
2017-06-10 17:36:37	alanz	yes
2017-06-10 17:36:47	alanz	it also provides the sendfunc
2017-06-10 17:37:13	wz1000	The HandlerRequest LspFunc doesn't have the sendfunc?
2017-06-10 17:37:32	alanz	It uses Core.LspFunc?
2017-06-10 17:37:44	wz1000	Yes
2017-06-10 17:38:10	alanz	which has the sendfunc in it. Redundant, perhaps
2017-06-10 17:38:41	alanz	But it does belong in SendFuncs.
2017-06-10 17:38:53	alanz	Which should probably be renamed to LspFuncs
2017-06-10 17:39:04	wz1000	So we don't need the lf argument for the reactor?
2017-06-10 17:40:50	alanz	We do, to get access to the sendfunc to send unsolicited messages, possibly as part of the initialise process
2017-06-10 17:41:02	alanz	But then we get it via the initialize message.
2017-06-10 17:42:18	alanz	So I guess it has turned out to be unnecessary? 
2017-06-10 17:54:49	wz1000	alanz: I just tested it with vscode. Everything that should work seems to do so.
2017-06-10 17:54:59	alanz	sounds good
2017-06-10 17:58:36	alanz	And I see the ExecuteCommand stuff is still not in place
2017-06-10 18:01:32	alanz	See also https://gist.github.com/alanz/3f8a075aa029841fcd0e777673b48ee7
2017-06-10 18:01:43	wz1000	alanz: No. I'll try to wire it up in a bit.
2017-06-10 18:02:04	alanz	ok, I know it is deferred until the rest is sorted.
2017-06-10 18:02:36	alanz	You can check operation of that using the haskell variant of emacs-lsp
2017-06-10 18:03:00	alanz	it exposes various refactorings like lsp-demote etc
2017-06-10 18:03:09	alanz	when in lsp-mode
2017-06-10 18:04:19	wz1000	ok.
2017-06-10 18:05:58	wz1000	What should we do about the LspFunc? 
2017-06-10 18:08:01	alanz	Well, we do need to be able to send an unsolicited message back to the client.
2017-06-10 18:08:19	alanz	But I guess that will only come about in the context of processing an existing message.
2017-06-10 18:08:55	alanz	I am thinking of things like sending a warning or notification from the server due to some unsolicited thing.
2017-06-10 18:09:02	alanz	Impending shutdown due to xxx
2017-06-10 18:09:26	alanz	That is the only reason really that it is in the reactor at all.
2017-06-10 18:09:32	wz1000	We could remove it from the HandlerRequest
2017-06-10 18:10:05	wz1000	And hide it in a reader monad
2017-06-10 18:10:30	alanz	yes, that could work. Less noise in the handlers then.
2017-06-10 18:10:48	alanz	Because it is basically an environment for the handler
2017-06-10 18:11:10	wz1000	LspFunc isn't supposed to change throughout the lifetime of the server, right?
2017-06-10 18:11:28	alanz	I THINK it is static
2017-06-10 18:11:55	alanz	I don't know if a client is able to change its capabilities dynamically at all
2017-06-10 18:12:14	alanz	I know the server can change, via the 3.0 protocol
2017-06-10 18:12:54	alanz	But if it does change it can be managed in the reactor, in one place,and we can deal with it when it happens
2017-06-10 18:13:27	wz1000	So it can be removed from the HandlerRequest?
2017-06-10 18:13:55	alanz	yes
2017-06-10 22:16:06	wz1000	alanz: Can I reserve a LspId and send a request using it to the client at some future time?
2017-06-10 22:17:19	wz1000	The callback doesn't have access to the R monad, so can't generate the next LspId. So what I'm doing is getting the id before making the callback, and embedding it into the callback.
2017-06-10 22:31:38	alanz	hmm, good point.
2017-06-10 22:32:05	alanz	I would prefer to see in-sequence ids in the messages
2017-06-10 22:32:25	alanz	And there is not access to the monad as you say.
2017-06-10 22:32:39	alanz	well, do it that way then.
2017-06-10 22:33:02	alanz	if the worst comes to the worst we can put some mechanism in place.
2017-06-10 22:33:26	alanz	I wonder if we could delegate it to haskell-lsp? let the send func return the id used
2017-06-10 22:33:34	alanz	wz1000: ^^
2017-06-10 22:45:45	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/966a453e280d02c32b77543b7ae0f46f1aa25d89
2017-06-10 22:45:52	wz1000	I'm facing a bug
2017-06-10 22:47:20	wz1000	https://gist.github.com/wz1000/a2f7ae98a42ec0414bed62476b10d285
2017-06-10 22:52:10	alanz	Well, it is a diff instead of a refactorresult
2017-06-10 22:52:18	alanz	I mean workspaceedit
2017-06-10 22:52:29	alanz	Why are we still returning a diff?
2017-06-10 22:55:09	wz1000	alanz: We aren't. We are sending a workspace edit. But somehow it isn't decoding from the JSON properly
2017-06-10 22:55:43	alanz	"ExecuteCommand response got:r=fromList [("diff",Object"
2017-06-10 22:55:59	alanz	where does the word "diff" come from?
2017-06-10 22:56:30	alanz	what is the earlier part of the log? the request that is being responded to
2017-06-10 22:57:12	wz1000	executeCommand applyRefact:one
2017-06-10 22:57:24	wz1000	applyRefact:applyOne
2017-06-10 22:58:59	alanz	Are you running against the version you expect?
2017-06-10 23:00:03	alanz	BTW, if you start hie as "hie --lsp -d -l /tmp/hie.log" then the logm stuff in the plugins will come out in /tmp/hie.log
2017-06-10 23:00:22	wz1000	Yes, I am
2017-06-10 23:00:50	alanz	Ok, can you show me some more log lines before the bit you posted
2017-06-10 23:01:50	 *	alanz building a local version
2017-06-10 23:03:53	wz1000	alanz: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/a2f7ae98a42ec0414bed62476b10d285
2017-06-10 23:05:12	wz1000	alanz: I don't know where the "diff" is coming from
2017-06-10 23:05:35	alanz	ok, looking.
2017-06-10 23:09:29	alanz	The ValidResponse instance for WorkSpaceEdit introduces it
2017-06-10 23:09:38	wz1000	alanz: yeah, just saw that
2017-06-10 23:10:02	alanz	I suspect we should just toJson it directly
2017-06-10 23:11:47	wz1000	Yeah, we don't really need ValidResponse
2017-06-10 23:13:16	alanz	I dont think so, tbh
2017-06-10 23:15:24	wz1000	alanz: it worked in vscode :)
2017-06-10 23:15:41	alanz	by using tojson? awesome
2017-06-10 23:15:53	alanz	So it should work in emacs too then
2017-06-10 23:16:08	alanz	Which allows HaRe commands to be invoked too
2017-06-10 23:16:16	alanz	but same mechanism
2017-06-10 23:16:29	wz1000	alanz: Right now I just changed the ValidResponse instance
2017-06-10 23:16:44	alanz	ok, to give params instead if diff?
2017-06-10 23:17:05	alanz	or to use tojson directly
2017-06-10 23:17:06	alanz	?
2017-06-10 23:17:13	wz1000	I changed it to basically use toJSON/fromJSOn
2017-06-10 23:17:24	alanz	ok, makes sense.
2017-06-10 23:17:36	alanz	Which means as a cleanup we can get rid of that class
2017-06-10 23:17:41	wz1000	Yeah
2017-06-10 23:17:47	alanz	now we know it is not actually needed
2017-06-10 23:20:10	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/37979ec6c37ece65134fb27ed1b97c62f1d766f1
2017-06-10 23:20:47	alanz	ok, will try that here too
2017-06-10 23:23:37	wz1000	alanz: Will vscode complain if it gets a reply/request that it doesn't understand?
2017-06-10 23:23:40	alanz	yep, works for me in vscode too. Now to try emacs
2017-06-10 23:24:48	alanz	it should. I run in debug mode for the plugin, and it shows up in the output window at the bottom. But of the debug-run instance
2017-06-10 23:25:22	alanz	And if we send back any of those showmessage or error conditions they show up there too
2017-06-10 23:26:10	alanz	BTW, there is a new vscode version out. Need to check that the engine and lsp-client stuff is still the same. Not 100% sure how to do that
2017-06-10 23:28:10	alanz	Ok, so lsp-apply-commands applies the hlint diagnostic under emacs
2017-06-10 23:28:41	alanz	And lsp-demote works too. Awesome, well done
2017-06-10 23:31:35	wz1000	The diagnostics and hover hints work in emacs?
2017-06-10 23:32:09	alanz	yes, diagnostics do, let me confirm hover. They should though
2017-06-10 23:32:43	alanz	yes, works
2017-06-10 23:33:25	alanz	there are a lot of pieces in this whole thing.
2017-06-10 23:34:04	alanz	And the best way for you to wrap your brain around it is to make the wide-ranging refactoring you just did.
2017-06-10 23:34:51	wz1000	yeah
2017-06-10 23:35:45	alanz	so, a small cleanup of ValidResponse then we can merge, and consider the next steps
2017-06-10 23:35:54	wz1000	We need to make an api for executeCommand. The way I patched it up is quite hacky atm.
2017-06-10 23:36:13	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/966a453e280d02c32b77543b7ae0f46f1aa25d89
2017-06-10 23:38:38	alanz	yes, I agree. I was thinking the same.
2017-06-10 23:39:07	alanz	Some way for a plugin to register a command as executable, which may even end up populating the servercapabilities
2017-06-10 23:39:27	alanz	Which would include how to recognise and handle it
2017-06-11 02:15:09	wz1000	alanz: What about something like this to run commands on some args? https://gist.github.com/wz1000/e01a2387e4ea9072485224831f05413e
2017-06-11 02:28:43	alanz	For the executecommands stuff?
2017-06-11 02:29:24	alanz	put it in, lets see where it goes
2017-06-11 02:31:36	alanz	The PArseArgs needs to be able to report an error in a meaningful way, so maybe an Either instead of Maybe
2017-06-11 02:34:33	alanz	wz1000: ^^
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2017-06-11 14:36:11	wz1000	alanz: Does demote work in vscode?
2017-06-11 14:38:57	alanz	Its not accessible. But it uses the same mechanism as the other, so should be
2017-06-11 14:39:14	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/35b6f4b2493e1171ca24db4a6b5faace740c2c23
2017-06-11 14:39:25	alanz	I am considering pushing things like demote through as codeActions until there is other support
2017-06-11 14:39:25	wz1000	alanz: It is. It shows up in the context menu
2017-06-11 14:39:41	alanz	ok, then that did actually happen :)
2017-06-11 14:39:58	wz1000	But I get a Missing parameter error 
2017-06-11 14:40:11	wz1000	With my latest commit. Can you test with the previous commit?
2017-06-11 14:40:32	wz1000	Just want to be sure messing with the JSON instances didn't break it.
2017-06-11 14:41:12	alanz	I get the error too. Let me take a look.
2017-06-11 14:42:34	alanz	btw, we send that command (and params) through in response to the codeAction request, so if it is not matching up we need to change one side or the other, and given it works in emacs I suspect it is what we send in the codeAction response
2017-06-11 14:43:51	alanz	hmm, no. It might be in the typescript.
2017-06-11 14:44:16	alanz	This is an area I was experimenting with, it is possible it is incomplete
2017-06-11 14:44:33	wz1000	In FileWithWarning.hs, ghc-mod complains about variable not in scope in bar, when x is in scope.
2017-06-11 14:46:51	alanz	how?
2017-06-11 14:47:22	alanz	For me it complains about x not in scope on line 4 col 7, as expected
2017-06-11 14:47:49	alanz	using emacs lsp-mode. Let me check vscode
2017-06-11 14:48:16	wz1000	alanz: In the error log, everytime I hover over the x in bar.
2017-06-11 14:49:21	alanz	ok, that is trying to get the type when the file does not compile. The type info is only available if it does compile.
2017-06-11 14:49:44	wz1000	Ok. We should probably cache the type info from the last time it compiled
2017-06-11 14:49:58	alanz	So we need to modify the hover result to not return in that case.
2017-06-11 14:50:27	alanz	And yes, caching prior good value will help too, but is complex as you need to match up locations pre and post edit
2017-06-11 14:51:04	wz1000	Is there any good ghc-mod documentation anywhere?
2017-06-11 14:51:09	alanz	I would think that as a first pass we only return hover values if it is current. And note that for a future enhancement.
2017-06-11 14:51:21	alanz	on the website only
2017-06-11 14:51:26	alanz	or read the source
2017-06-11 14:53:06	wz1000	findSymbol returns the fully qualified symbol name?
2017-06-11 14:54:17	wz1000	Is there a ghc function that resolves an identifier to a unique Symbol?
2017-06-11 14:55:20	alanz	what are you thinking at the moment? To me we need to modify toTypeInfo in the ghc-mod plugin to be awar of errors.
2017-06-11 14:55:39	alanz	It takes the Right values only, need to consider the Left ones too
2017-06-11 14:57:23	alanz	so first step would be to log what we get in that case, and see what we should do
2017-06-11 14:58:45	wz1000	Where does the EXCEPTION: .. come from?
2017-06-11 15:04:57	alanz	which one? where?
2017-06-11 15:08:14	wz1000	alanz: In vscode's output window
2017-06-11 15:08:40	alanz	hold on, let me look. When doing that hover?
2017-06-11 15:08:46	wz1000	Yeah
2017-06-11 15:09:52	alanz	I am just compiling a versio that logs the ghcmod type command, will check soon
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2017-06-11 15:11:27	alanz	that will be the thing we should be picking up in the type command, to tell us that the data is invalid
2017-06-11 15:11:31	wz1000	alanz: I think you can merge the PR too. I'll add the executeCommand api in a new PR.
2017-06-11 15:12:01	alanz	May need to put an exception handler to it, and return an empty result if the code is bad
2017-06-11 15:12:11	alanz	code being hovered over that is
2017-06-11 15:12:15	alanz	will merge
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2017-06-11 15:14:05	alanz	once CI passes
2017-06-11 15:42:38	alanz	I suspect the EXCEPTION line is showing up in vscode from stderr output in the hie exe
2017-06-11 15:45:14	alanz	yes, that is where it shows up in the emacs client
2017-06-11 15:45:30	alanz	there is a ghc-mod config to change that, will take a look
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2017-06-11 16:28:02	--	Notice(GitHub81): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #237: Redoing plugin transport (master...new-lspstdio) https://git.io/vHPfb
2017-06-11 16:28:02	--	Notice(GitHub78): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 12 new commits to master: https://git.io/vHyE6
2017-06-11 16:28:02	--	Notice(GitHub78): haskell-ide-engine/master ceee8d2 Zubin Duggal: Added PluginResponseWrapper
2017-06-11 16:28:02	--	Notice(GitHub78): haskell-ide-engine/master 1817085 Zubin Duggal: Fixed tests, exposed HarePlugin functions
2017-06-11 16:28:02	--	Notice(GitHub78): haskell-ide-engine/master 93d6702 Zubin Duggal: Exposed GhcMod and ApplyRefact functions, updated LspStdio.hs -- TODO write new dispatcher
2017-06-11 18:23:17	wz1000	alanz: Is it ok for the executeCommand arguments to be positional, or should they be in a key:value format?
2017-06-11 18:27:29	alanz	you cannot assume positional for JSON serialisation
2017-06-11 18:28:21	alanz	And they should tie up with the way other commands work, if possible. Like the existing LSP rename command. With at worst one extra layer of wrapping in the JSON
2017-06-11 19:03:42	wz1000	alanz: Then I think the current way is mostly fine. I'll just polish it up a little. 
2017-06-11 19:03:53	alanz	thanks
2017-06-11 19:03:53	wz1000	My network is also acting up a bit today
2017-06-11 19:04:05	alanz	I know the feeling
2017-06-11 19:07:13	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/b5c0412fa1ef5e96b9f403b6d7a60fbe06f79c8d
2017-06-11 19:07:42	--	Notice(GitHub2): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #238: Minor cleanup (master...master) https://git.io/vHywe
2017-06-11 19:10:00	alanz	looks good. Minor typo though
2017-06-11 19:10:39	wz1000	alanz: I save before committing. Left out some stuff.
2017-06-11 19:11:15	alanz	ok
2017-06-11 19:13:52	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/238/commits/b0b18c240e0c884210933c93e977b832c7720b3f
2017-06-11 19:15:51	wz1000	alanz: btw, JSON arrays are required to maintain order, right?
2017-06-11 19:16:13	alanz	I guess
2017-06-11 19:16:31	alanz	I am not an expert. I just know order is in general not a thing for JSON
2017-06-11 19:16:52	alanz	And looking at something on the wire, tagged values are easier to understand
2017-06-11 19:17:09	alanz	and we are not bandwidth constrained
2017-06-11 19:22:57	wz1000	alanz: Does emacs-lsp support codeLens, codeAction etc.?
2017-06-11 19:25:04	alanz	codeAction I think, not codeLens (yet)
2017-06-11 19:25:10	alanz	But it will be in, in time.
2017-06-11 19:25:22	alanz	Either by me (us) or the main dev there
2017-06-11 19:25:48	alanz	he is involved in a GSOC project though, so is in essential bugfix mode for the duration
2017-06-11 19:26:12	wz1000	Also, how do you get vscode to show the popups in these gifs? https://code.visualstudio.com/blogs/2017/02/12/code-lens-roundup
2017-06-11 19:26:18	alanz	his project is not related to this. Something to do with go and webassembly, I think
2017-06-11 19:27:02	alanz	Not sure, to be honest. Need to rummage though the API
2017-06-11 19:27:28	alanz	it is worth looking at what existing mature implementations are doing, for comparison
2017-06-11 19:28:59	alanz	because there is a lot of capability in there, but it is not always clear how it is intended to work as a whole
2017-06-11 19:29:44	alanz	And btw, the haskell-lsp example server is a good thing to experiment with, by putting hard-coded stuff in to see what happens. Gives you a quick turnaround time
2017-06-11 19:30:08	alanz	I generally get to understand the messaging using that as a first step
2017-06-11 19:30:18	alanz	And we then have a sort of documented usage
2017-06-11 19:31:47	wz1000	ok
2017-06-11 19:34:03	wz1000	Just a heads-up, I'll be out of town next sunday(18th) to thursday(22nd)
2017-06-11 19:36:19	alanz	ok, no problem. I think we are making good progress
2017-06-11 19:36:44	wz1000	I thought the emacs maintainers were also discussing adding native lsp support to emacs. 
2017-06-11 19:38:57	wz1000	Whats the status of that?
2017-06-11 19:44:57	 *	arrowsvc_ got back to build plugin for a moment
2017-06-11 19:45:05	arrowsvc_	Did i really wrote all this crap?
2017-06-11 19:45:07	arrowsvc_	-_\
2017-06-11 19:52:52	alanz	wz1000: It is conceptual only
2017-06-11 19:53:19	alanz	arrowsvc_: whenever I go back to code I have not touched in a while I am always amazed. And normally not in a good way
2017-06-11 19:53:31	alanz	Which is evidence of having learned in the meantime
2017-06-11 22:25:54	wz1000	alanz: You can merge the PR.
2017-06-11 22:26:13	alanz	ok
2017-06-11 22:26:30	wz1000	what should I do next?
2017-06-11 22:27:51	alanz	well, either try to extend the messaging with what we have at the back already, so giving back docs etc, and getting a better understanding of codeLens etc
2017-06-11 22:28:04	alanz	or start looking at options around ghci/intero
2017-06-11 22:28:09	alanz	at the back
2017-06-11 22:28:38	alanz	I think the former, to get what low hanging fruit we can, and build up understanding of the logic of the API
2017-06-11 22:29:13	alanz	what do you think?
2017-06-11 22:29:21	--	Notice(GitHub117): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #238: Minor cleanup (master...master) https://git.io/vHywe
2017-06-11 22:29:22	--	Notice(GitHub40): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vHyDl
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2017-06-11 22:29:58	wz1000	yeah. I also want to mess around with ghc-mod a bit, see what it can do
2017-06-11 22:31:14	wz1000	We also need to integrate the vfs stuff
2017-06-11 22:38:28	alanz	yes
2017-06-11 23:17:05	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/daead4b8572c65b1fb65069825cc21775f1fea0b
2017-06-11 23:19:36	alanz	looks good
2017-06-11 23:23:58	wz1000	Does ghc mod use more structured types under the hood? The api is all stringly typed.
2017-06-11 23:24:22	alanz	I think so.
2017-06-11 23:24:29	alanz	Might be worth exposing them.
2017-06-11 23:24:54	alanz	We are already running against a custom version, may as well clone it and get what we need
2017-06-11 23:26:05	wz1000	whats the difference between your fork and upstream?
2017-06-11 23:29:50	alanz	I added a feature to report on the diff when the dynflags don't match
2017-06-11 23:30:20	alanz	Which I am badgering dxld to merge into upstream, but it needs cleaning up and he wanted to get the release out first, which has now happened
2017-06-11 23:30:59	wz1000	github says your fork is 17 commits behind upstream, so I think it has been incorporated
2017-06-11 23:34:48	alanz	hold on
2017-06-11 23:36:14	alanz	See https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/network
2017-06-11 23:36:25	alanz	my branch needs to be rebased, it is eqdynflags
2017-06-11 23:41:48	alanz	no, eqdynflags2
2017-06-11 23:42:05	alanz	so it is up to date wrt release
2017-06-12 00:01:07	arrowsvc_	dxld: I'd to export this https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/blob/master/CabalHelper/Common.hs#L87 from Distribution.Helper. How'd you think I should do that?
2017-06-12 00:11:22	dxld	arrowsvc_: huh, why?
2017-06-12 00:14:36	arrowsvc_	dxld: Well, it is for that checking if helper is prepared feature. I plan to show basically the same text as https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/blob/master/CabalHelper/Compile.hs#L242 in the IDE, so I need appDataDir.
2017-06-12 00:15:18	dxld	you could just add a command to check if it's prepared or not, no?
2017-06-12 00:16:15	arrowsvc_	I've already added it, yes. Now if it is not prepared I want to warn a user that it is a lengthy operation and that everything will be placed in appdataDir and that it will happend once per Cabal version, etc.
2017-06-12 00:16:35	dxld	also fyi the path will probably change to something under .cache eventually
2017-06-12 00:17:22	dxld	hmm I see
2017-06-12 00:19:09	alanz	sounds like a good feature to me :)
2017-06-12 00:21:09	dxld	arrowsvc_: the thing is I'd rather keep the messages in cabal-helper
2017-06-12 00:22:29	dxld	what if I add the messages you need to cabal-helper and expose those
2017-06-12 00:23:22	dxld	then again that's kind of annoying if you want to do i18n
2017-06-12 00:30:30	arrowsvc_	Exactly. I was going to write my own message because I wanted to localize it.
2017-06-12 00:30:44	arrowsvc_	So I need only path in case it would change.
2017-06-12 00:35:43	dxld	you need it exposed in the library, right?
2017-06-12 00:35:50	dxld	how do you access that in the IDE?
2017-06-12 00:36:05	arrowsvc_	Through HIE.
2017-06-12 00:36:13	dxld	ah, right
2017-06-12 00:36:57	arrowsvc_	So yes, I need it in Distribution.Helper
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2017-06-12 16:43:39	wz1000	alanz: If I use ghcmod mapFile, will the hare and ghcmod plugins work automatically?
2017-06-12 16:43:56	alanz	yes
2017-06-12 16:44:10	alanz	Because we use ghc-mod to provide the GHC session.
2017-06-12 16:44:16	alanz	That is the whole point of the thing
2017-06-12 17:29:23	wz1000	alanz: Can we use one of these functions to find Definition? https://hackage.haskell.org/package/HaRe-0.8.4.1/docs/Language-Haskell-Refact-API.html#v:defineLoc
2017-06-12 17:31:24	alanz	wz1000: yes. there is also a thing that gets the definingDecls for a given RdrName
2017-06-12 17:31:52	alanz	Easiest to look at the HaRe tests in TypeUtilsSpec
2017-06-12 17:34:00	wz1000	hackage doesn't have ghc on it, so all links to that are broken. Stackage works
2017-06-12 17:34:16	wz1000	Its quite annoying
2017-06-12 17:35:01	alanz	interesting. I thought they had uploaded the GHC libs for that purpose
2017-06-12 17:40:47	wz1000	alanz: What is the NameMap for?
2017-06-12 17:41:31	alanz	HaRe works with the ParsedSource, which is before the renamer.
2017-06-12 17:42:11	wz1000	so whats going on here: https://www.stackage.org/haddock/lts-8.18/HaRe-0.8.4.0/src/Language.Haskell.Refact.Utils.Variables.html#rdrName2NamePure
2017-06-12 17:42:14	alanz	To do changes such as renaming we need to use the post-renamer values, but the renamer throws away information in the AST, so we can't print from it
2017-06-12 17:42:53	alanz	So we use the locations as an index to map the RdrName in ParsedSouce to the Name in RenamedSource
2017-06-12 17:42:57	alanz	its a pain
2017-06-12 17:43:49	wz1000	why do we need post-renamer values? Doesn't the RenamedSource go through the renamer?
2017-06-12 17:43:59	alanz	Take a look at the function that constructs the namemap, I think it is in monadutils or some such
2017-06-12 17:44:19	alanz	The RenamedSource is the output of the renamer acting on the ParsedSource
2017-06-12 17:44:53	alanz	But the AST gets modified too so that it is no longer a direct reflection of what was written.
2017-06-12 17:45:06	wz1000	So why does Hare need to care about that, why can't it just work on the ParsedSource?
2017-06-12 17:45:09	alanz	So ghc-exactprint can only work against the ParsedSource
2017-06-12 17:45:55	alanz	Because for some things you need to check things by name. And to be sure that something called x is the same x as something else over there
2017-06-12 17:46:19	alanz	e.g. if you are renaming, for the obvious case
2017-06-12 17:48:32	alanz	One day I would like to see the RenamedSource parse tree good enough for round tripping, but it is chipping away at a mountain 
2017-06-12 17:49:27	wz1000	Hare rename can only be called from the module the name is defined in?
2017-06-12 17:49:40	alanz	yes.
2017-06-12 17:50:04	alanz	because it needs to work out the client modules and work with them too
2017-06-12 17:50:21	alanz	I guess it could be possible to track to the home module and work out.
2017-06-12 17:50:26	alanz	But not as implemented
2017-06-12 17:51:03	alanz	There are lots of warts in HaRe, it has been a porting process, and required a lot of ancillary infrastructure to go into place
2017-06-12 17:51:49	alanz	I have tried to keep the internal naming the same so that porting the leftover refactorings can be straightforward, but it is a mess inside
2017-06-12 17:52:14	 *	alanz also learning while writing that code 
2017-06-12 17:52:52	wz1000	https://www.stackage.org/haddock/lts-8.18/HaRe-0.8.4.0/src/Language.Haskell.Refact.Refactoring.Renaming.html#local-6989586621679232598
2017-06-12 17:53:02	wz1000	l should be where the name was defined, right?
2017-06-12 17:53:40	wz1000	Or is that inside n?
2017-06-12 17:54:10	alanz	inside n
2017-06-12 17:54:44	alanz	l is the span of the name, (row,col) needs to be inside the span for it to get a hit
2017-06-12 17:57:18	wz1000	ok. So if n's definition is in scope, its location should be in the SrcSpan inside n.
2017-06-12 17:58:11	alanz	yes. And you can call definingDeclsRdrName to get it
2017-06-12 17:59:16	alanz	oops, you need the list of decls for that.
2017-06-12 17:59:49	wz1000	Can't I just extract the SrcSpan from the name?
2017-06-12 18:00:01	alanz	yes
2017-06-12 18:00:07	alanz	for go to defn?
2017-06-12 18:00:28	wz1000	Yes
2017-06-12 18:00:33	alanz	sounds good
2017-06-12 18:01:01	alanz	btw, I am currently looking at implementing an incremental parser for GHC. Which I want to drive out to incremental renaming too.
2017-06-12 18:01:06	alanz	But will take a while
2017-06-12 18:01:54	wz1000	cool
2017-06-12 18:07:39	wz1000	Is it possible to make stack/cabal keep uncompiled sources for project dependcies in .cabal/.stack-work?
2017-06-12 18:13:58	wz1000	alanz: Why are you calling writeRefactoredFiles?
2017-06-12 18:14:05	wz1000	in hare-plugin?
2017-06-12 18:14:44	alanz	in the hare-plugin we write the files to disk, and then generate a diff.
2017-06-12 18:15:11	alanz	But I guess we could use the in-memory stream for the diff, because we then just read it in again
2017-06-12 18:15:23	alanz	It was a case of doing the simplest thing at the time
2017-06-12 18:15:39	alanz	It's so good to get other eyes over code
2017-06-12 18:16:03	alanz	what do you mean "uncompiled sources"?
2017-06-12 18:16:18	wz1000	alanz: .hs files
2017-06-12 18:16:25	alanz	see https://hackage.haskell.org/package/codex
2017-06-12 18:16:34	alanz	is that what you are thinking?
2017-06-12 18:17:19	wz1000	Yeah
2017-06-12 18:17:20	alanz	and the tgz of the source generally lives in a well-defined place too.
2017-06-12 18:17:52	alanz	And I am pretty sure you can work with a tgz file as if it were a file system
2017-06-12 18:19:18	wz1000	Maybe we can have a two pass goto def. First it tries to go to definition using the HaRe stuff, and if that fails it checks in the dependencies
2017-06-12 18:19:20	alanz	See ~/.cabal/packages
2017-06-12 18:19:49	alanz	You should investigate what intero dies
2017-06-12 18:19:53	alanz	does
2017-06-12 18:20:20	alanz	I would imagine that the :type-at function would give the requisite info, once we know the source location
2017-06-12 18:20:40	alanz	what does Name give if it comes from an import?
2017-06-12 18:20:49	alanz	of a package
2017-06-12 18:21:46	alanz	nameModule will give the module
2017-06-12 18:21:54	alanz	http://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/8.0.2/docs/html/libraries/ghc-8.0.2/Module.html#t:Module
2017-06-12 18:22:24	alanz	which we should be able to map to something either in the project or in the deps
2017-06-12 19:46:29	wz1000	alanz: Do I have to add a capability to enable goto definition?
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2017-06-12 20:01:31	alanz	wz1000: I'm not sure, let me take a look
2017-06-12 20:01:42	wz1000	alanz: I do. I checked
2017-06-12 20:02:01	alanz	yes, definitionProvider
2017-06-12 20:02:13	alanz	Its actually good that it is all selectable\
2017-06-12 20:02:32	alanz	You can turn some features off to keep the log manageable, while working
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2017-06-12 20:57:39	wz1000	alanz: ^
2017-06-12 20:58:35	wz1000	Its working in vscode.
2017-06-12 20:59:07	alanz	looks good.
2017-06-12 20:59:48	alanz	I was thinking from your earlier question, if you look at the source for writeRefactoredFiles in HaRe that it first makes a string, then dumps that.
2017-06-12 21:00:04	alanz	In hie we read it to do an in-memory diff
2017-06-12 21:00:36	alanz	in our makeRefactorResult
2017-06-12 21:00:52	alanz	so as a future optimisation we could merge those steps somehow
2017-06-12 21:01:16	wz1000	ok, I'll look into it
2017-06-12 21:01:26	alanz	just an idea, no rush
2017-06-12 21:01:46	wz1000	We'll have to fix that to use the vfs anyway
2017-06-12 21:01:48	alanz	btw, looks like you are at that great stage where you can just make things happen
2017-06-12 21:02:12	alanz	i.e. you have enough grasp on the code and env
2017-06-12 21:03:46	wz1000	Yeah. It takes a bit of effort to get around the ghc stuff though
2017-06-12 21:04:05	alanz	yes, plenty more to learn
2017-06-12 21:04:17	alanz	But this is a massive thing, it touches so many places
2017-06-12 21:04:45	alanz	btw, I think we can switch to using HaRe from hackage now, given ghc-mod 5.8 is out
2017-06-12 21:04:56	alanz	and I pushed a new version for it
2017-06-12 21:09:42	alanz	nope.
2017-06-12 21:09:48	alanz	odd.
2017-06-12 21:18:07	alanz	better to upgrade it tomorrow when the stackage nightly updates. It will bring in new hlint too
2017-06-12 21:28:52	wz1000	alanz: When do an invalid go to definition in vscode, the error message is printed twice
2017-06-12 21:39:45	wz1000	alanz: For signature help, we will have to make ' ' a trigger character. Which would lead to it being called all over the place
2017-06-12 21:46:18	alanz	well, we could define a trigger char specifically for it, maybe
2017-06-12 21:46:44	alanz	I will take a look a bit later, need to go out for bit
2017-06-12 22:03:26	wz1000	alanz: Cross module go to definition isn't working for this project: https://github.com/wz1000/HMat
2017-06-12 22:17:10	wz1000	Given a project that looks like app/Main.hs(uses Lib.someFunc, Lib2.otherFunc), and src/Lib.hs(defines someFunc) src/Lib2.hs(defined otherFunc using someFunc)
2017-06-12 22:17:54	wz1000	If you go to defintion from Main.hs, it would work perfectly. However, going to definition of someFunc from Lib2.hs would fail
2017-06-12 22:18:18	wz1000	Going to definitions within the module succeeds
2017-06-12 22:37:31	arrowsvc_	Hum. I'm using getCurrentDirectory in my plugin's commands and when I run `hie.exe -c` it starts to give me my home directory.
2017-06-12 22:37:57	arrowsvc_	I even created a shortcut and set working dir there, but still.
2017-06-12 22:38:21	arrowsvc_	But in repl in does work.
2017-06-12 22:42:54	arrowsvc_	Does hie spawn subprocesses with different cwd? No idea how to explain that.
2017-06-12 22:56:51	alanz	arrowsvc_: look in app/Main.hs to see what happens. I forget atm. But I think it may set cwd to $HOME, then change when it gets a new dir as part of the LSP init
2017-06-12 22:57:11	cocreature	I vaguely recall doing some cwd manipulation in hie
2017-06-12 22:57:17	alanz	wz1000: I will take a look in a bit. It is probably related to the component issue
2017-06-12 22:57:26	cocreature	there was also a --root option or something like that. not sure if it’s still there
2017-06-12 22:57:32	alanz	cocreature: It has changed in the meantime. ghc-mod changed again too
2017-06-12 22:57:46	cocreature	ah ok
2017-06-12 22:57:47	alanz	wz1000: Main is in the exe component, the other in the lib.
2017-06-12 22:58:04	alanz	it is a general issue I hit in HaRe.
2017-06-12 22:58:55	cocreature	alanz: looks like that part is still there https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/app/MainHie.hs#L136
2017-06-12 22:59:05	wz1000	yeah, it doesn't have the location info for the other modules in the same component.
2017-06-12 22:59:33	alanz	cocreature: yes, so arrowsvc_ you need to pass the dir in as a param
2017-06-12 23:00:01	alanz	wz1000: I am building the repo (again), will look in a bit
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2017-06-12 23:03:48	wz1000	alanz: It knows the module the name is defined in, so maybe we can workaround it by searching that modules file for the definition
2017-06-12 23:09:54	wz1000	how can I get a ModulePath from a Module?
2017-06-12 23:13:47	alanz	no idea.
2017-06-12 23:14:09	alanz	I still need to wrap my brain around the problem
2017-06-12 23:14:15	 *	alanz been eating
2017-06-12 23:16:45	arrowsvc_	Huh? What is the point requiring hie running in the project dir we are working with then?
2017-06-12 23:19:13	alanz	arrowsvc_: it bounced around a bit, ghc-mod changed
2017-06-12 23:19:37	alanz	But it now does not actually matter which dir it is in, as it goes up from the file to find the project
2017-06-12 23:19:40	alanz	I think
2017-06-12 23:21:03	arrowsvc_	Sigh.
2017-06-12 23:23:14	alanz	arrowsvc_: run something like "hie -c --root `pwd`"
2017-06-12 23:25:36	alanz	wz1000: do you have an example of the scenario you spell out using HMat?
2017-06-12 23:26:04	arrowsvc_	Wait, it goes up from the what file?
2017-06-12 23:26:57	wz1000	alanz: In Examples.hs try going to the definiton of matFromList
2017-06-12 23:27:36	wz1000	Howerver, going to the definition of example5 from example6 would work
2017-06-12 23:28:37	 *	alanz hates haskell-mode with stack, builds the damn thing before you can even look at the file. Dammit.
2017-06-12 23:29:39	alanz	wz1000: My HaRe experiments earlier have forced a fresh checkout of the repo. It is huge, my bandwidth is slow. So waiting.
2017-06-12 23:30:23	wz1000	alanz: No rush, I've almost figured out a workaround
2017-06-12 23:30:32	alanz	ok
2017-06-12 23:31:13	wz1000	The problem is that names from other modules in the same component don't have location info
2017-06-12 23:32:44	alanz	ok, so you have to load the source module and look for them in there.
2017-06-12 23:33:07	alanz	which is why loading the whole project (via ghci perhaps) is a good option
2017-06-12 23:34:15	alanz	which is the intero model
2017-06-12 23:34:26	wz1000	alanz: Yes. I've got the ModulePath, the only thing I need to do is figure out how to get the definition of the name there
2017-06-12 23:34:48	alanz	load the file in HaRe, and do the same thing
2017-06-12 23:35:09	alanz	you can give it a module to load as well, I think
2017-06-12 23:37:19	wz1000	do you think one of these would include the location info? https://www.stackage.org/haddock/lts-8.18/ghc-8.0.2/GHC.html#t:ModuleInfo
2017-06-12 23:37:22	alanz	getTargetGhc
2017-06-12 23:38:06	wz1000	I know the module.
2017-06-12 23:38:09	alanz	I doubt it
2017-06-12 23:38:24	wz1000	I just need to find the location of name within the module
2017-06-12 23:38:43	alanz	I suspect you are going to have to load the module, and look for the name in it
2017-06-12 23:39:12	alanz	look at the hare renaming refactoring, rename in client modules
2017-06-12 23:39:44	alanz	there may be other ways too, look at what intero is doing
2017-06-12 23:40:10	alanz	renameInClientMod
2017-06-12 23:41:16	alanz	And for this kind of thing it is good to add a project under the test dir, and make some tests against it, to get the info
2017-06-13 00:10:48	wz1000	alanz: How do I catch an exception inside RefactGhc?
2017-06-13 00:11:13	alanz	using ghandler
2017-06-13 00:11:50	wz1000	I need to catch a GhcException
2017-06-13 00:12:05	alanz	look at the source for inScopeNames in HaRe
2017-06-13 00:12:39	alanz	what exception do you need to catch?
2017-06-13 00:12:46	wz1000	Sorry, a GhcApiError
2017-06-13 00:12:55	alanz	what are you doing?
2017-06-13 00:14:13	wz1000	nvm, I figured out how to avoid the exception.
2017-06-13 00:14:28	wz1000	I was calling this: https://www.stackage.org/haddock/lts-8.18/ghc-8.0.2/GHC.html#v:getModSummary
2017-06-13 00:21:40	wz1000	alanz: Ok, that didn't work. I still need to catch the exception
2017-06-13 00:25:35	alanz	rewind a bit, and tell me what the actual problem is you are chasing atm?
2017-06-13 00:31:59	wz1000	alanz: Ok, I did figure out how to avoid the exception after all.
2017-06-13 00:32:02	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/e914e02f441f5e2988d52b69e92e7823ad644f62
2017-06-13 00:32:52	alanz	great
2017-06-13 00:33:51	arrowsvc_	alanz: Can single hie instance work with several distinct projects? Or is it planned to support that?
2017-06-13 00:34:07	alanz	no, the intention is one per project
2017-06-13 00:34:20	alanz	Which is a limitation of the GHC linker
2017-06-13 00:34:43	alanz	so we cannot have two different GHC session in the same o/s process
2017-06-13 00:35:19	arrowsvc_	Ok, got it.
2017-06-13 00:38:38	wz1000	alanz: Goto definition works with type variables in type applications(using ScopedTypeVariables) too!
2017-06-13 00:39:18	alanz	awesome
2017-06-13 00:39:52	alanz	using that current commmit?
2017-06-13 00:39:57	wz1000	Yeah
2017-06-13 00:40:34	alanz	great, compiling it now
2017-06-13 00:46:00	wz1000	alanz: It doesn't work across .cabal files(like in hie). Also, the whole thing is quite slow when working with something as big as hie
2017-06-13 00:46:28	alanz	yes, these are things that need attention.
2017-06-13 00:47:10	alanz	Realistically, with hie you need to decide what component you are working on, for the "live" info
2017-06-13 00:47:29	alanz	But we need to have some kind of directory of info for the rest
2017-06-13 00:47:42	alanz	Which is why I am interested in the existing leksah backend
2017-06-13 00:48:09	alanz	or there used to be a thing called scion, or scion server or some such
2017-06-13 00:48:43	alanz	But I think on the one hand we have the limitations of a GHC session, and the setup time for that.
2017-06-13 00:48:56	arrowsvc_	Component in terms of stack?
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2017-06-13 00:49:09	alanz	One thing that we need to look at is somehow caching the info for a given file
2017-06-13 00:49:27	alanz	arrowsvc: component in terms of a target in a cabal file, in reality
2017-06-13 00:49:49	alanz	essentially the scope of a ghci session, as they are basically the same thing
2017-06-13 00:50:55	arrowsvc	Ah, hum. Well, this is what I planned for KDevelop too. But I planned to do that caching on KDevelop side, as it already has means for that.
2017-06-13 00:51:09	alanz	ok.
2017-06-13 00:51:13	arrowsvc	But for lightweight editors like vscode this is a problem, I guess.
2017-06-13 00:52:06	alanz	But to me it makes sense to put the info in hie, and make it available to any client
2017-06-13 00:52:49	alanz	because we can then focus on working it back into ghc, which is my ultimate goal
2017-06-13 00:55:01	wz1000	I think cancel request will also help with performance a lot(on vscode).
2017-06-13 00:55:19	wz1000	Currently just moving the mouse around builds up a huge queue of hover requests
2017-06-13 00:55:36	wz1000	Which blocks everything else in turn
2017-06-13 00:56:20	wz1000	Vscode sends cancel requests as soon as you leave the hover zone, but we still keep computing the entire queue
2017-06-13 00:56:55	alanz	ok, so that is probably the low hanging fruit then
2017-06-13 00:58:08	alanz	or even make sure we never have more than one hover request per Uri, discard all the older ones
2017-06-13 01:00:54	wz1000	I don't see how that would work. That would force us to only process the oldest hover request, which is likely cancelled.
2017-06-13 01:07:21	alanz	we need to manage the hover requests, in a map say, and overwrite when a new one comes in
2017-06-13 01:08:44	alanz	but lets work with cancel, we know it is coming through reliably
2017-06-13 01:13:19	wz1000	alanz: Does HaRe cache parsed files?
2017-06-13 01:13:47	alanz	not at the moment. But probably should.
2017-06-13 01:14:05	alanz	well, actually it does, but only some of them.
2017-06-13 01:14:55	wz1000	why only some?
2017-06-13 01:15:22	alanz	See https://github.com/RefactoringTools/HaRe/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/Refact/Utils/Utils.hs#L162
2017-06-13 01:15:52	alanz	we could change the condition here: https://github.com/RefactoringTools/HaRe/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/Refact/Utils/Utils.hs#L168
2017-06-13 01:15:57	alanz	and keep them all
2017-06-13 01:16:15	alanz	but it is a memory tradeofftoo
2017-06-13 01:17:55	wz1000	How fast/slow is parsing?
2017-06-13 01:19:40	alanz	fast enough. The problem with hover is that we are treating each as if from new. We need to load the file and store it in hie, and only reparse if it has changed
2017-06-13 01:19:53	alanz	So the hover requests can go against the already parsed file
2017-06-13 01:21:06	alanz	and all other info requests too
2017-06-13 01:22:18	alanz	BTW, that HaRe hook uses the parse from the load process, so we do not have to do it twice
2017-06-13 01:22:35	wz1000	which hare hook?
2017-06-13 01:22:50	alanz	in the links I posted before
2017-06-13 01:23:09	alanz	it is a GHC hook used by HaRe to return the parsedSource
2017-06-13 01:23:29	alanz	or typecheckedmodule rathe
2017-06-13 01:23:30	alanz	r
2017-06-13 01:40:13	wz1000	I disabled HoverRequest and CancelRequest, but go-to still has a few seconds of latency, even when called repeatedly from the same file.
2017-06-13 02:00:00	alanz	yes, the "repeatedly" is the problem, we need to cache the file.
2017-06-13 02:00:23	 *	alanz been distracted, water main burst outside. No water. In the rain and drought. Crazy
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2017-06-13 03:09:34	--	Notice(GitHub138): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #240: Update for HaRe 0.8.4.1 (master...hare-0.8.4.1) https://git.io/vHHtj
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2017-06-13 13:12:22	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/239/commits/9dde3834acbeeb0cde9426ae0f02300ebf722687
2017-06-13 13:15:29	 *	alanz looking
2017-06-13 13:16:13	alanz	looks good.
2017-06-13 13:16:30	alanz	Can you take a look at my PR too? #240
2017-06-13 13:19:54	wz1000	alanz: Looks good. While merging we should make sure all 3 stack.yamls are using the same nightly.'
2017-06-13 13:20:13	alanz	good point, will update
2017-06-13 13:22:16	wz1000	alanz: We are using 2017-06-12?
2017-06-13 13:25:01	alanz	yes, but you will need my PR for it, there are some changes.
2017-06-13 13:25:34	wz1000	alanz: I'm just updating gototest
2017-06-13 13:25:43	alanz	ok
2017-06-13 13:26:14	 *	alanz waiting for a ghc-exactprint test to finish before building hie again
2017-06-13 13:27:58	alanz	just pushed the update, lets see if CI is still happy
2017-06-13 13:29:40	wz1000	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/239/commits/5546e2495c7c6dd6bf510f507d8505403b1fe3d3
2017-06-13 13:30:27	wz1000	CI should be faster
2017-06-13 13:33:00	alanz	ok
2017-06-13 13:58:06	alanz	wz1000: by the way, I am not sure if you are "watching" https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol on github. I find it is useful to keep an eye on the changes as they are proposed/happening
2017-06-13 13:58:48	wz1000	thanks, I'll do that
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2017-06-13 14:48:19	wz1000	Why is the json roundtrip test for extended command descriptor so slow?
2017-06-13 14:48:38	alanz	it is the arbitrary instances
2017-06-13 14:49:16	alanz	if you run it specfically via "stack test hie-xxxxx" you will see it in the log
2017-06-13 14:49:45	alanz	I have a pending back of the mind todo to speed it up, by making specific quickcheck arbitrary instances
2017-06-13 14:49:58	alanz	Or maybe we should even consider hedgehog some time
2017-06-13 14:50:04	wz1000	Extended command descriptor is basically just an Untagged command descriptor with a plugin name(text).
2017-06-13 14:50:21	wz1000	Untagged command descriptor isn't that slow
2017-06-13 14:51:01	alanz	well, I know that when you run the tests so you see a log the big delay is in the quickcheck stuff
2017-06-13 14:51:37	alanz	And I see your branch has finished its test. Do you want me to merge it? Still waiting for my PR to finish its test
2017-06-13 14:53:06	wz1000	yeah, I think you can merge it if you don't want any other changes.
2017-06-13 14:54:37	alanz	ok, will do
2017-06-13 14:55:15	alanz	btw, how do you install the vscode plugin from a local dir? I have been using it as a dev thing and running in debug mode up to now
2017-06-13 14:55:42	--	Notice(GitHub14): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #239: Added handler for textDocument/definition and some cleanup (master...master) https://git.io/vH93I
2017-06-13 14:55:46	--	Notice(GitHub6): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 7 new commits to master: https://git.io/vHHhT
2017-06-13 14:55:46	--	Notice(GitHub6): haskell-ide-engine/master daead4b Zubin Duggal: Moved parseGhcDiagnostics into hie-ghc-mod
2017-06-13 14:55:46	--	Notice(GitHub6): haskell-ide-engine/master a51fa4e Zubin Duggal: Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine
2017-06-13 14:55:46	--	Notice(GitHub6): haskell-ide-engine/master 36ac87d Zubin Duggal: Added handler for textDocument/definition
2017-06-13 14:55:54	wz1000	I've been doing the same
2017-06-13 14:56:26	alanz	ok, because I am not sure how to change directory to get a new hie/lsp instance going, when testing different things.
2017-06-13 14:57:02	alanz	I guess I should just close all the other haskell files, navigate to the dir and open there
2017-06-13 14:57:03	wz1000	alanz: Open folder works for me
2017-06-13 14:57:13	wz1000	I don't close anything
2017-06-13 14:57:27	alanz	ok, will give it a try. I don't really use vscode, so only know enough to test stuff
2017-06-13 14:57:39	wz1000	same here
2017-06-13 14:58:59	alanz	:)
2017-06-13 14:59:25	alanz	And I want to check that the definition stuff is in the elisp code too. I think it is, but via xref or something.
2017-06-13 14:59:35	alanz	Not enough time :(
2017-06-13 14:59:42	wz1000	btw, goto definition gave us "peek definition" popups in vscode for free. They seem nifty.
2017-06-13 14:59:56	wz1000	in emacs-lsp? or the elisp in hie?
2017-06-13 15:02:10	alanz	emacs-lsp
2017-06-13 15:02:25	alanz	I want to remove the elisp in hie, no point maintaining two
2017-06-13 15:03:01	alanz	And there is a lot of "hidden" functionality in LSP, because the spec is not very good at defining the dynamics of it.
2017-06-13 15:03:25	alanz	Which is one of the reasons I want to (eventually) build a scenario-based test suite around haskell-lsp
2017-06-13 15:03:53	alanz	So we can run it against itself, or against say vscode and get an understanding of what is supposed to happen
2017-06-13 15:06:17	wz1000	alanz: We can probably log a couple of sessions of interaction with vscode and make tests from that.
2017-06-13 15:06:32	alanz	yes.
2017-06-13 15:06:51	alanz	But the idea is to do it in a way that it is *documentation* too
2017-06-13 15:07:06	alanz	which is one of the things that hspec is supposed to help with
2017-06-13 15:07:33	alanz	And my branch merges cleanly into yours, will send the PR straight to master. 
2017-06-13 15:07:45	 *	alanz just tested locally
2017-06-13 15:08:19	--	Notice(GitHub126): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #240: Update for HaRe 0.8.4.1 (master...hare-0.8.4.1) https://git.io/vHHtj
2017-06-13 15:08:20	--	Notice(GitHub196): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 11 new commits to master: https://git.io/vHHjJ
2017-06-13 15:08:20	--	Notice(GitHub196): haskell-ide-engine/master c9fd30a Alan Zimmerman: Updating for ghc-mod 5.8 rc
2017-06-13 15:08:20	--	Notice(GitHub196): haskell-ide-engine/master caf8d10 Alan Zimmerman: Merge branch 'master' into wip
2017-06-13 15:08:20	--	Notice(GitHub196): haskell-ide-engine/master d298862 Alan Zimmerman: Use patched hlint until hlint is fixed
2017-06-13 15:44:43	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/33
2017-06-13 15:57:49	 *	alanz will take a look in a bit
2017-06-13 15:58:39	alanz	merged it anyway, looks trivial
2017-06-13 16:00:06	wz1000	just in time. I got my first compile error due to that a second ago.
2017-06-13 16:00:13	alanz	ok
2017-06-13 16:24:23	wz1000	alanz: Where does the debugm output go?
2017-06-13 16:25:18	alanz	wherever you want. "hie --lsp -d -l /tmp/hie.log"
2017-06-13 16:25:47	alanz	it is in the hie.sh script in the plugin, comment out the one you need
2017-06-13 16:26:12	alanz	hie-vscode.sh
2017-06-13 16:26:51	alanz	I have it as the main file open when I start vscode, then choose the options I want before hitting F5 to launch the debug vscode
2017-06-13 16:34:43	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/241
2017-06-13 16:34:50	--	Notice(GitHub132): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #241: Added support for CancelRequest (master...cancel-request) https://git.io/vHQqR
2017-06-13 16:37:37	wz1000	The problem is that the set will keep building up, potentially leading to a space leak
2017-06-13 16:38:01	wz1000	We need to flush the set somehow
2017-06-13 16:38:18	wz1000	Or make sure that the set size never exceeds a particular limit
2017-06-13 16:38:42	alanz	you have a typo in HaRePluginSpec
2017-06-13 16:39:07	wz1000	oops
2017-06-13 16:40:22	alanz	One way of flushing it it to use the fact that the Ids are increasing. Discard all the less-than ones, or more than n back ones
2017-06-13 16:40:33	alanz	Looks fine though
2017-06-13 16:41:51	wz1000	Is that specified by the protocol, or just something vscode does?
2017-06-13 16:42:31	alanz	I think it is in the protocol. But possibly only indirectly in the comments.
2017-06-13 16:42:45	wz1000	I tried opening hie with it in vscode, and it does feel a bit more responsive. I don't know if its placebo though.
2017-06-13 16:42:45	alanz	I know I raised an issue about it, or mentioned it in an issue
2017-06-13 16:43:00	alanz	well that is good news
2017-06-13 16:43:41	alanz	I think doing what ghc-mod does, but without loading the target every time may be a good thing to do.
2017-06-13 16:44:14	alanz	If we run in incremental mode, then we know when the file has changed, so do not have to reload each time for a hover request
2017-06-13 16:44:39	wz1000	Yesterday I opened hie with vscode and moved my mouse around for a bit. It ended up eating all my ram and making X grind to a halt. I had to switch to a tty and kill it
2017-06-13 16:44:49	alanz	and now?
2017-06-13 16:45:19	wz1000	I can't get it to happen
2017-06-13 16:45:35	alanz	nice
2017-06-13 16:48:55	wz1000	alanz: So I deleteFindMinn until I get the current LspId, or is there a better way?
2017-06-13 16:49:03	wz1000	To flush the set
2017-06-13 16:50:25	alanz	use an ordered list instead of a set? Then you only need to compare the head of the list with the reqid being processed. Discard when greater
2017-06-13 16:51:27	wz1000	btw, Id can be text too.
2017-06-13 16:51:53	alanz	ah, yes. Bloody javascript
2017-06-13 16:53:52	wz1000	Also, appending to lists is expensive. Better use a dequeue or something
2017-06-13 16:54:15	alanz	I meant "ordered list" in the conceptual sense
2017-06-13 16:54:29	wz1000	Or Data.Sequence
2017-06-13 16:54:50	alanz	We need *some* criteria for purging them. If they are random text there is little we can do
2017-06-13 16:55:31	alanz	bar keeping *another* set of ones we have already seen, and discard from the mvar if it has already been processed.
2017-06-13 16:56:18	alanz	Basically the request lifecycle is: it is sent from the client. We queue it. A cancel request may or may not come in. We (attempt to) process it.
2017-06-13 16:56:48	alanz	So we should only insert the cancel into the mvar set if the id is already in the Q.
2017-06-13 16:57:00	alanz	So maybe have another set of ids in the Q.
2017-06-13 16:57:10	alanz	also in the mvar
2017-06-13 16:57:35	alanz	because trying to cancel something we know nothing about is a nop
2017-06-13 16:57:58	alanz	And that will work for anything, so long as it is unique
2017-06-13 17:01:10	wz1000	So another MVar with the wip?
2017-06-13 17:06:24	alanz	well, we can use the same on, just have a tuple or data type in it
2017-06-13 17:06:35	alanz	they need to be updated together.
2017-06-13 17:36:33	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/241/commits/4b8a74d08b706c59d90ceeb4d9223e1f68da066a
2017-06-13 17:40:11	alanz	yes, that looks like it should do it.The parameter list for run and reactor are getting a bit extreme, but I guess they are needed.
2017-06-13 17:52:49	wz1000	Its working fine in vscode. Memory usage still looks a bit high, about 3.2 gb with ~10 files(from HIE) open.
2017-06-13 17:53:23	wz1000	But it is quite usable
2017-06-13 17:54:12	alanz	that is what I would expect with hie, tbh. ghc takes up a lot of ram
2017-06-13 17:55:48	wz1000	Should we respond to DocumentSymbol? Syntax highlighting is pretty good(and fast) on most editors with regex
2017-06-13 17:56:44	alanz	Is that what it is used for though?
2017-06-13 17:57:19	arrowsvc	Anyone has an idea of what "check if project is configured" means? Would checking that dist/config-setup exists?
2017-06-13 17:57:29	wz1000	alanz: I think so
2017-06-13 17:58:16	alanz	arrowsvc: in what context?
2017-06-13 17:58:44	alanz	but it does sound like if cabal configure or the stack equiv
2017-06-13 17:59:31	alanz	wz1000: it may be worth firing up a LSP server for some well-supported language, to get a handle on what some of the features do.
2017-06-13 17:59:58	alanz	Because there are ways of bringing up documentation that I think could be useful for us
2017-06-13 18:01:37	wz1000	The reason I was asking about HaRe caching was because I wanted to heavily use its machinery to get Names from locations.
2017-06-13 18:01:58	wz1000	For stuff like looking up documentation, caching results etc.
2017-06-13 18:02:34	alanz	Well, if we get the typecheckedmodule, via a call to HaRe, and then store it somewhere, we can do that.
2017-06-13 18:03:21	alanz	The original concept behind hie envisaged a shared set of services at the bottom, and this would be one of them.
2017-06-13 18:03:42	alanz	Something like on an android phone there is a service for pictures, messages, etc
2017-06-13 18:04:14	alanz	So asking for a current parsedsource/renamedsource etc could come from something like that
2017-06-13 18:04:35	alanz	Then it is potentially available for anything that needs to work with it
2017-06-13 18:05:17	alanz	And we can separately manage the process of making sure that it is fresh, based on whatever criteria make sense
2017-06-13 18:05:35	alanz	and/or discard stale ones, if space becomes an issue
2017-06-13 18:05:52	alanz	effectively a caching layer based on document Uri
2017-06-13 18:06:45	alanz	Which can eventually be pushed all the way back into ghc, when ghc-as-a-service comes to fruition
2017-06-13 18:11:11	wz1000	doesn't ghcmod itself maintain a cache?
2017-06-13 18:11:38	alanz	only of the session. Not of the actual artifact.
2017-06-13 18:12:48	alanz	This is the entry point at the bottom of it all: https://github.com/DanielG/ghc-mod/blob/master/core/Language/Haskell/GhcMod/Target.hs#L132
2017-06-13 18:13:04	alanz	It manages the session, loads the targets, then does the action. 
2017-06-13 18:13:15	alanz	But if we call it again it loads the targets again.
2017-06-13 18:13:41	alanz	So we need to keep the result. Which is what HaRe does, in its Refact state
2017-06-13 18:14:03	alanz	the parseFile or whatever reads it from ghc-mod into a state var.
2017-06-13 18:14:23	alanz	So long as we keep that floating around, we can query it as much as we need to.
2017-06-13 18:14:53	alanz	See also https://github.com/DanielG/ghc-mod/blob/master/core/Language/Haskell/GhcMod/Target.hs#L180
2017-06-13 18:15:56	alanz	I can see us at some point ripping all of this apart and reassembling it in better layers. 
2017-06-13 18:16:12	alanz	ghc-mod session management at the bottom.
2017-06-13 18:16:24	alanz	Loaded targets next, in a cache
2017-06-13 18:16:32	wz1000	Does that mean we'll get caching if we integrate RefactGhc into IdeM?
2017-06-13 18:16:47	alanz	yes.
2017-06-13 18:17:47	wz1000	If we use hare for a lot of the machinery, that might be worth doing.
2017-06-13 18:18:21	alanz	yes, I am quite happy to rearchitect things to go into the right layers like this
2017-06-13 18:18:44	alanz	dxld has already taken a big step in that direction by splitting ghc-mod into a core and the rest.
2017-06-13 18:19:07	alanz	We would build up from that into a next layer. Which would include caching.
2017-06-13 18:19:18	wz1000	btw, Document Symbol isn't used for syntax highlighting, it is used for search and go to definition.
2017-06-13 18:19:56	alanz	ok, I thought it might be like that. Because vscode uses textmate style highlighting definitions, I think
2017-06-13 18:20:46	alanz	I would love to be able to highlight types and constructors in different colors one day though.
2017-06-13 18:21:21	alanz	There is a highlight symbol thing that lets you highlight reads and writes from a given symbol.
2017-06-13 18:21:24	alanz	btw
2017-06-13 18:21:30	wz1000	I thought it was for syntax highlighting because there is none in my vscode
2017-06-13 18:21:55	alanz	there is a separate haskell syntax highlighting package in the vscode package index
2017-06-13 18:22:09	alanz	I turned it off, to make sure I understand what hie is doing
2017-06-13 18:24:18	alanz	btw, when I build your branch, there are a number of warnings that show up
2017-06-13 18:24:54	alanz	I intend going back to running the build / test in pedantic mode, which would cause them to fail
2017-06-13 18:24:58	wz1000	the redundant import of MVar?
2017-06-13 18:25:11	wz1000	The tests are broken right now
2017-06-13 18:25:13	alanz	yes, and the name shadowing
2017-06-13 18:25:24	alanz	np, just pointing it out
2017-06-13 18:25:48	alanz	and sendErrorLog.
2017-06-13 18:26:06	alanz	Which is a funny one, because it is something that we will likely need one day.
2017-06-13 18:34:16	alanz	one of the things we should do too is something like what intero does. Parse the ghc warnings, and construct potential fix edits for it.
2017-06-13 18:34:36	alanz	e.g. adding an import declaration, or removing one if it is redundant
2017-06-13 18:34:43	alanz	via codeActions
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2017-06-13 20:12:45	arrowsvc	Is it possible to declare a plugin command argument with default value?
2017-06-13 20:21:29	alanz	so that the default gets presented to the user? No. But you can define an optional parameter, and use a default in the plugin if it is not provided
2017-06-13 20:21:55	alanz	But nothing is cast in concrete either
2017-06-13 20:22:42	arrowsvc	Meh.
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2017-06-13 20:34:53	arrowsvc	https://pp.userapi.com/c836529/v836529776/50e69/tI6omp2kuoA.jpg
2017-06-13 20:34:54	arrowsvc	wat
2017-06-13 20:46:37	alanz	no idea. Maybe ask on #ghc
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2017-06-13 23:02:43	arrowsvc	alanz: What stack-lts.yaml is for?
2017-06-13 23:29:14	alanz	I was experimenting with using LTS, at some point. We should probably delete it
2017-06-13 23:32:01	arrowsvc	Then I'm stuck with that ghc problem. Sigh.
2017-06-13 23:35:57	alanz	that one you pasted?
2017-06-13 23:36:09	alanz	the lts ghc and nightly ones are the same
2017-06-13 23:36:13	alanz	ghc 8.0.2
2017-06-13 23:37:02	arrowsvc	I suspect the problem isn't within ghc itself, but some mingw thing.
2017-06-13 23:39:16	alanz	isnt there something else you should be using? msys or something?
2017-06-13 23:41:58	arrowsvc	Whatever stack uses. Yeah, it is msys AFAIR
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2017-06-13 23:43:41	alanz	ok. I have not touched windows in 20 years, can't help
2017-06-13 23:49:35	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/241/commits/2dafb321b305c7e05ddf3e94dc3835e0857580e3
2017-06-13 23:49:46	wz1000	I think you can merge this once CI passes.
2017-06-13 23:51:32	alanz	ok
2017-06-14 01:01:50	wz1000	hmm, circleci is acting up
2017-06-14 01:02:35	wz1000	https://circleci.com/gh/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/51
2017-06-14 01:05:46	wz1000	I think its having load issues
2017-06-14 01:12:42	alanz	It happens from time to time
2017-06-14 01:13:18	alanz	Churning through ExtendedCommandDescriptor :(
2017-06-14 01:13:54	alanz	I have seen builds of hie run for 1hr45 mins
2017-06-14 01:14:03	alanz	before eventually going green
2017-06-14 02:17:36	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/3dbc1788207a8caf35eed324465783353a878b69
2017-06-14 02:18:36	alanz	great. Avoids all those files we always forget to delete.
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2017-06-14 11:46:54	--	Notice(GitHub110): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/vH56h
2017-06-14 11:46:54	--	Notice(GitHub110): haskell-ide-engine/master 65e1ba5 Zubin Duggal: Added support for CancelRequest
2017-06-14 11:46:54	--	Notice(GitHub110): haskell-ide-engine/master 5f027b3 Zubin Duggal: fix typo
2017-06-14 11:46:54	--	Notice(GitHub110): haskell-ide-engine/master 4b8a74d Zubin Duggal: Fixed potential space leak caused by building up of cancelRequests
2017-06-14 11:46:57	--	Notice(GitHub21): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #241: Added support for CancelRequest (master...cancel-request) https://git.io/vHQqR
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2017-06-14 12:25:52	--	Notice(GitHub119): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #243: In memory diff in hie-hare (master...master) https://git.io/vH5Xv
2017-06-14 12:26:21	wz1000	alanz: ^
2017-06-14 12:29:02	wz1000	I saw your PR too. What was the default config file problem?
2017-06-14 12:31:11	alanz	hlint switched from reading a Hlint.hs file to hlint.yaml
2017-06-14 12:31:36	alanz	But the API usage was still looking for HLint.hs in the hlint data dir, which no longer existed
2017-06-14 12:40:58	wz1000	hie doesn't recognize "Ignore redundant do" etc. hlint annotations 
2017-06-14 12:43:47	alanz	that is strange. You mentioned it before.
2017-06-14 12:43:57	alanz	I can take a look, if you like
2017-06-14 12:44:03	alanz	btw, https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues/257
2017-06-14 12:51:17	wz1000	Yes, I saw that this morning.
2017-06-14 12:52:38	wz1000	yeah, you can take a look. I have to go out for a bit.
2017-06-14 12:54:07	wz1000	ghc-mod can't work against different .cabal targets simultaneously?
2017-06-14 12:54:22	wz1000	Maybe we can have a ghc-mod session per .cabal
2017-06-14 12:55:07	wz1000	one thread for each.
2017-06-14 12:58:37	alanz	we can only have one session at a time. Although ghc-mod does cache them, I think
2017-06-14 12:59:10	alanz	And HaRe works around it by working with the expanded module graph, as a union of things, to work out the client modules etc
2017-06-14 12:59:44	wz1000	So how do we switch sessions?
2017-06-14 13:01:18	wz1000	because switching to a file with a different .cabal currently breaks hie
2017-06-14 13:01:31	alanz	when you load a new target, ghc-mod does it. look at the code in Target in ghc-mod
2017-06-14 13:01:41	alanz	The URL I posted yesterday
2017-06-14 13:02:22	alanz	And I have reproduced the redundant do thing, will make a test case and investigate
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2017-06-14 13:46:19	alanz	arrowsvc: you got a response on #ghc, see http://lpaste.net/5033284573752983552
2017-06-14 13:55:32	arrowsvc	> This page doesn’t exist.
2017-06-14 13:55:34	arrowsvc	Meh.
2017-06-14 13:56:19	cocreature	huh? it’s working just fine for me
2017-06-14 13:56:24	alanz	And for me
2017-06-14 13:56:34	alanz	10:06 <Phyx-> arrowsvc: that points to your OS install being broken somehow. The redirection is coming from the kernel as part of the "API set" feature introduced in Windows 8+. The kernel is redirecting localization calls from kernel32 to that api-set.
2017-06-14 13:56:34	alanz	10:06 -!- Yuras [~Yuras@86.57.208.240] has joined #ghc
2017-06-14 13:56:35	alanz	10:06 <Phyx-> so it must have determined that it can do so. not loading the dll points to something wrong with the OS.
2017-06-14 13:56:35	alanz	10:07 <Phyx-> you could try updating the UCRT binaries, https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2999226/update-for-universal-c-runtime-in-windows
2017-06-14 13:56:35	alanz	10:07 <Phyx-> this may or may not replace the missing files
2017-06-14 13:56:35	alanz	10:07 <Phyx-> oh, he's gone
2017-06-14 13:56:40	alanz	direct paste :)
2017-06-14 13:57:37	arrowsvc	I meant that microsoft link.
2017-06-14 13:58:30	alanz	ok
2017-06-14 13:58:45	cocreature	works for me as well
2017-06-14 13:58:49	alanz	Maybe chat to Phyx on #ghc, he seems to know what he is doing. (She?)
2017-06-14 14:02:56	arrowsvc	> Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete.
2017-06-14 14:02:59	arrowsvc	Huuuh.
2017-06-14 14:04:24	alanz	Works for me
2017-06-14 14:05:26	alanz	human caching: which download option do you need from: http://lpaste.net/9161157885089021952
2017-06-14 14:06:01	alanz	Either windows update as a whole, or tell me the specific o/s combo and I will give you the download link
2017-06-14 14:12:29	alanz	So if I change a single test file, and do "stack test" it seems to rebuild the whole damn project each time. Crazy
2017-06-14 14:24:27	wz1000	alanz: hie or haskell-lsp?
2017-06-14 14:24:34	alanz	hie
2017-06-14 14:24:58	alanz	Working on the hlint pragma thing, changing applyrefactpluginspec
2017-06-14 14:25:13	alanz	And then doing stack test. Long cycle time.
2017-06-14 14:25:25	 *	alanz should switch to cabal new-test
2017-06-14 14:30:48	wz1000	alanz: I think it just builds hie, not the plugins etc.
2017-06-14 14:31:27	alanz	yes, but it still builds the whole lib, for one changed test. Maybe our cabal file is set up wrong.
2017-06-14 14:32:01	alanz	But I am about the experiment with new-build too, for the hell of it
2017-06-14 14:35:38	wz1000	alanz: I just tested it. If the hie interface doesn't change, I don't think it recompiles while testing.
2017-06-14 14:37:19	alanz	ok, it is reporting a bunch of stuff, maybe it is a nop
2017-06-14 14:38:13	alanz	I am suspecting the hlint pragma thing is a bug in the api interface, not in hie. But want to confirm it
2017-06-14 14:42:29	alanz	i.e. in hlint itself
2017-06-14 14:44:12	wz1000	Maybe those annotations have to be parsed seperately and set.
2017-06-14 14:46:42	alanz	I am investigating. I would expect it to just work\
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2017-06-14 17:52:26	wz1000	alanz: How does RefactGhc cache files? I don't see any cache here: https://www.stackage.org/haddock/lts-8.18/HaRe-0.8.4.0/src/Language.Haskell.Refact.Utils.Monad.html#RefactState
2017-06-14 18:00:22	alanz	It only caches the currenly loaded one
2017-06-14 18:00:59	alanz	So when you call parseFile or whatever, it loads the typecheckedmodule into the state, and you can work against that going forward
2017-06-14 18:01:07	alanz	We should extend it to cache more modules.
2017-06-14 18:03:10	wz1000	Can you list out all the kinds of module data we are dealing with
2017-06-14 18:03:37	alanz	So RefactState (equivalent would hold that)
2017-06-14 18:03:47	wz1000	There is the file on disk, the YiRope in the VFS, ParsedModule, TypecheckedModule etc.
2017-06-14 18:04:10	wz1000	Is the order correct?
2017-06-14 18:05:03	alanz	ok, the process is: incremental change updates the VFS representation, which is stored in a YiRope
2017-06-14 18:05:22	alanz	We need to give that to ghc-mod as a map file.
2017-06-14 18:06:00	alanz	we then call a ghc-mod action to load the target and return the TypeCheckedModule, which we can then store
2017-06-14 18:06:13	wz1000	Ghcmod doesn't parse it and stores it as a string?
2017-06-14 18:06:14	alanz	This bit is best modelled on what happens inside HaRe.
2017-06-14 18:06:56	alanz	ghc-mod loads the target into the ghc session, but does nothing else. That provides the context for the action we pass in to ghc-mod
2017-06-14 18:07:28	alanz	That is why HaRe uses a GHC hook function, to avoid re-processing the file once it has been loaded.
2017-06-14 18:07:56	alanz	The key think is that at the end of the process we end up with a GHC TypeCheckedModule.
2017-06-14 18:08:47	alanz	http://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/8.0.2/docs/html/libraries/ghc-8.0.2/GHC.html#t:TypecheckedModule
2017-06-14 18:09:15	alanz	This has the parsed source, and if the renamer succeeds it will have that too.
2017-06-14 18:09:45	alanz	Basically any of the passes can fail, in which case you can't get the next level. So parser, renamer, typechecker
2017-06-14 18:09:59	alanz	So we should pull out whatever we can.
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2017-06-14 18:11:30	wz1000	What is this TypecheckedModule in HaRe for? https://www.stackage.org/haddock/lts-8.18/HaRe-0.8.4.0/src/Language.Haskell.Refact.Utils.Types.html#TypecheckedModule
2017-06-14 18:11:48	wz1000	It is different from the ghc one?
2017-06-14 18:12:28	alanz	yes. It is what the hook function returns, because we need those additional data structures to answer questions about exports and the like
2017-06-14 18:12:48	wz1000	So do we need to deal with that in hie?
2017-06-14 18:13:15	alanz	So it makes sense to have an ability to load one of those for the file of interest in the editor, and then use it for queries.
2017-06-14 18:14:20	alanz	We are likely to end up with a different eventual layering between ghc-mod, the caching layer ( of those modules), hie and the tooling in hie such as HaRe etc, which use GHC rather than HSE
2017-06-14 18:14:29	wz1000	So we use Ghc.Typechecked module, HaRe.TypecheckedModuel or both?
2017-06-14 18:14:43	alanz	I would say Hare one.
2017-06-14 18:15:17	alanz	And copy that mechanism over to be a module of some kind inside hie, as part of the infrastructure
2017-06-14 18:15:34	alanz	Using say Hover as the driver for it
2017-06-14 18:18:58	wz1000	Hover?
2017-06-14 18:22:02	alanz	handling the HoverRequest. Which is a high-volume one, even with the cancel
2017-06-14 18:22:28	alanz	Ideally it should be a lookup only, unless something has actually changed.
2017-06-14 18:32:56	wz1000	alanz: So to run a HaRe command(RefactGhc) in IdeM(with cache), we fetch the cached Hare.TypecheckedModule, and set it as the rsModule, then run the rest of the action?
2017-06-14 18:33:11	alanz	yes
2017-06-14 18:33:36	 *	alanz slaps forehead
2017-06-14 18:33:50	alanz	I forget the Hover info comes via HaRe.
2017-06-14 18:34:13	wz1000	ghc-mod you mean?
2017-06-14 18:34:29	alanz	Well, you are getting some info via HaRe too?
2017-06-14 18:35:08	wz1000	No, just ghc-mod type at
2017-06-14 18:36:26	alanz	ok, sorry. Just been rummaging through the code and came to the same conclusion.
2017-06-14 18:36:53	alanz	At the moment ghc-mod has been split into two, even though it is still one package only.
2017-06-14 18:37:16	alanz	there was actually a long discussion overnight on the #ghc-mod channel about it
2017-06-14 18:37:43	wz1000	ok, I should probably join that.
2017-06-14 18:37:47	alanz	So there is the core, which we are using to manage the ghc sessions, as you know
2017-06-14 18:37:52	alanz	wz1000: good idea
2017-06-14 18:38:05	alanz	It is not often active, but important when it is
2017-06-14 18:38:26	alanz	dxld is the driver behind it
2017-06-14 18:39:19	alanz	But the essence of the current ghc-mod setup is that the core and the various commands are separate, and use a well defined interface to do their work. The same interface we use in HIE
2017-06-14 18:40:20	alanz	So the eventual goal is to sort out the layering so that ghc-mod core stays at the bottom, the caching layer we are discussing now fits in next (including using VFS to drive the map file process, and loading modules of interest) 
2017-06-14 18:40:38	alanz	And that the existing ghc-mod tools make use of the caching layer.
2017-06-14 18:40:43	wz1000	I discovered this: https://www.stackage.org/haddock/nightly-2017-06-14/ghc-mod-5.8.0.0/src/GhcMod.Caching.Types.html#CacheContents
2017-06-14 18:40:46	wz1000	Can we use it
2017-06-14 18:40:48	wz1000	?
2017-06-14 18:41:33	alanz	it is already used on our behalf, as part of the ghc-mod session management
2017-06-14 18:42:42	alanz	I am not sure how it interacts with the map file stuff though
2017-06-14 18:42:51	wz1000	Yes, but we can build our cache architecture on top of it
2017-06-14 18:43:20	alanz	possibly. It is a matter of layering. That cache is used to decide when a session is reusable.
2017-06-14 18:43:50	alanz	btw, it will be worthwhile for you to fork ghc-mod and work against it there.
2017-06-14 18:44:40	alanz	Take note that it is AGPL, fwiw. So moving code from there into HIE is a no-no, unless we get explicit permission from dxld (and any other affected authors)
2017-06-14 18:45:26	alanz	There are a lot of moving parts to this thing.
2017-06-14 18:47:12	wz1000	So what counts as "moving code"?
2017-06-14 18:47:51	wz1000	If I was to rewrite types (https://www.stackage.org/haddock/nightly-2017-06-14/ghc-mod-5.8.0.0/src/GhcMod.Exe.Info.html#types) using our cache, would that be moving code?
2017-06-14 18:50:51	alanz	Probably not. But I cannot speak for dxld. I do know he has spoken about the core being the part he cares the most about being AGPL.
2017-06-14 18:51:28	alanz	But I would imagine going ahead with that, and then we can have a discussion with him, once we are getting a clearer picture of the layering
2017-06-14 18:51:49	alanz	Because to me all the ghc-mod non-core stuff needs to move into hie.
2017-06-14 18:52:01	wz1000	Another issue. GhcMod types wants Ghc.TypeCheckedmodule, while hare has its own. Would it be possible to create a unified type for both and project it into the desired type when needed?
2017-06-14 18:53:23	alanz	I imagine so. It is just a container type after all
2017-06-14 18:53:45	alanz	I am quite happy to adapt HaRe to fit more closely with whatever we come up with here.
2017-06-14 18:54:33	alanz	One of the things we will have to consider is circular dependencies, and keeping it easy for a tool writer to work outside of hie. e.g. HaRe, in its own repo
2017-06-14 18:55:37	alanz	So maybe the caching stuff should live in ghc-mod, or a layer immediately above, which is then used by hie, and hare etc, which makes integrating any tool using the same bottom layer into hie as an external facing API simple
2017-06-14 18:57:20	alanz	So, ignoring repos, it is ghc-mod core, caching layer with api, [ghc-mod tools, hare, hie]
2017-06-14 18:57:32	alanz	where the [] mean all at the same layer
2017-06-14 18:58:58	wz1000	Yes.
2017-06-14 19:02:49	wz1000	alanz: Why does ghc's TypecheckedModule have a MaybeRenamedSource?
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2017-06-14 20:19:52	alanz	I assume it is because renaming may fail
2017-06-14 20:21:07	alanz	wz1000: It will be worthwhile doing tests to see what comes out for a file that fails parsing, one that fails renaming, and one that does not typecheck
2017-06-14 20:58:13	alanz	wz1000: see https://github.com/ndmitchell/hlint/issues/351
2017-06-14 21:15:02	alanz	wz1000: I have been putting my thoughts about the layering down here: https://wiki.zzzoo.org/view/haskell-ide-engine-layering (and playing with smallest federated wiki at the same time)
2017-06-14 22:50:27	wz1000	alanz: I was thinking it might be better to cache GHC.TypecheckedModule.
2017-06-14 22:51:19	wz1000	As far as I can tell, you can make a Hare.TM if you have a GHC.TM with Renamed Source
2017-06-14 22:51:28	wz1000	But you can't go the other way.
2017-06-14 22:53:25	wz1000	But we need to figure out cache invalidation.
2017-06-14 22:54:00	wz1000	If A depends on B, and B changes, does A's TypecheckedModule also become invalid?
2017-06-14 22:56:30	wz1000	We will have to maintain the module graph in the cache layer
2017-06-14 23:08:45	alanz	I guess.  The only reason HaRe has its own module is it is being constructed in the hook, and needed the extra info too.
2017-06-14 23:09:16	alanz	I think we could go a long way by only caching a single file to start with, the one that has current editor focus
2017-06-14 23:09:31	alanz	And once we have that, we can see what else falls out
2017-06-14 23:10:12	alanz	wz1000: btw, see https://github.com/ndmitchell/hlint/issues/351#issuecomment-308489479
2017-06-14 23:12:38	wz1000	alanz: Ok, so we change severity2DisgnosticSeverity?
2017-06-14 23:13:03	alanz	no, we have to filter it out completely. It is Ignored.
2017-06-14 23:13:17	alanz	Smells like a kludge in hlint, but we know what to do
2017-06-14 23:13:35	alanz	i.e. delete the hint
2017-06-14 23:13:39	wz1000	Ok.
2017-06-14 23:13:49	alanz	I will do it in my branch, I am already working on it
2017-06-14 23:13:55	wz1000	I was looking at this: https://www.stackage.org/haddock/lts-8.18/HaRe-0.8.4.0/src/Language.Haskell.Refact.Utils.Utils.html#parseSourceFileGhc
2017-06-14 23:14:50	alanz	Coming back the the TM, I reckon use whatever is simplest to start. And it all really comes down to what API the caching layer exposes.
2017-06-14 23:15:14	alanz	HaRe basically allows you to load one file, then separately request the parsed, renamed, typechecked source.
2017-06-14 23:15:34	alanz	And certain of the HaRe functions make use of the other info returned by the hook function too
2017-06-14 23:15:40	wz1000	would skipping the parseSourceFileGhc call and straightaway calling loadFromModSummary with the typechecked module work?
2017-06-14 23:17:16	alanz	well, I think they do the same thing, in HaRe, when you get to the bottom. The ModSummary contains the filepath, which is then loaded, and the info kept via the hook function.
2017-06-14 23:18:13	 *	alanz have to go eat now
2017-06-14 23:27:09	wz1000	alanz: How do I build HaRe?
2017-06-14 23:46:05	alanz	check it out and cabal configure;cabal build
2017-06-14 23:46:46	alanz	I think there is a stack file too, but you have to expressly say the one you want, because we test with GHC 7.10, 8.0 and 8.2
2017-06-14 23:47:31	alanz	wz1000: ^^
2017-06-14 23:47:32	wz1000	alanz: http://lpaste.net/356240
2017-06-14 23:47:56	alanz	oh yes, cabal install --dependencies-only
2017-06-14 23:47:57	wz1000	The stack file doesn't work either
2017-06-14 23:48:14	alanz	Otherwise just do "cabal new-build"
2017-06-14 23:48:23	wz1000	Tried that, didn't work
2017-06-14 23:48:29	alanz	It will sort it all out, if you have cabal later than 1.24
2017-06-14 23:48:52	alanz	what happens?
2017-06-14 23:49:04	wz1000	I have 1.24
2017-06-14 23:49:20	wz1000	It can't resolve the ghc-mod dependency
2017-06-14 23:49:37	alanz	Ok. you must do cabal update first, to get the latest list of packages
2017-06-14 23:49:53	 *	alanz realises how much stuff stack just does in the background
2017-06-14 23:50:29	alanz	And current stable is cabal-1.24.0.2
2017-06-14 23:50:42	alanz	May need to "cabal install cabal-install"
2017-06-14 23:51:05	alanz	I guess I should put build instructions there.
2017-06-15 00:20:22	--	Notice(GitHub49): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #244: Hlint pragmas (master...hlint-pragmas) https://git.io/vHFs0
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2017-06-15 11:12:00	arrowsvc	Upgrading lts to nightly-2017-06-14 resolved that dll problem.
2017-06-15 11:18:45	arrowsvc	s/lts/nightly-2017-06-12
2017-06-15 11:19:09	arrowsvc	Oh, and you committed that too.
2017-06-15 12:02:31	wz1000	alanz: The PR looks good
2017-06-15 12:03:34	alanz	wz1000: thanks, will merge it
2017-06-15 12:04:29	--	Notice(GitHub109): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #244: Hlint pragmas (master...hlint-pragmas) https://git.io/vHFs0
2017-06-15 12:04:30	--	Notice(GitHub130): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/vHbca
2017-06-15 12:04:30	--	Notice(GitHub130): haskell-ide-engine/master 63ca063 Alan Zimmerman: Add (failing) test for hlint pragmas in files.
2017-06-15 12:04:30	--	Notice(GitHub130): haskell-ide-engine/master 9fe40fa Alan Zimmerman: Add missing test file
2017-06-15 12:04:30	--	Notice(GitHub130): haskell-ide-engine/master 45ffb42 Alan Zimmerman: Strip out hlint ideas with Ignore severity.
2017-06-15 12:09:43	wz1000	alanz: Can you walk me through hscFrontend in hare?
2017-06-15 12:10:09	alanz	ok, let me just call the code up.
2017-06-15 12:10:21	alanz	It would help to have the GHC source open too
2017-06-15 12:13:02	wz1000	I do(on stackage).
2017-06-15 12:13:29	alanz	ok, one moment
2017-06-15 12:15:29	alanz	also open up runGmltWith from GhcMod.Target
2017-06-15 12:15:56	wz1000	ok
2017-06-15 12:16:08	wz1000	The new ghc-mod?
2017-06-15 12:18:15	wz1000	The main thing I'm having trouble understanding is why you don't use parseModule and typecheckModule(like in load from ModSummary)
2017-06-15 12:18:34	alanz	ok, I am now ready to explain that.
2017-06-15 12:19:38	wz1000	I'm here
2017-06-15 12:20:14	alanz	If you look at the source for HscMain in GHC, you will see that when loading a module eventually genericHscFrontend gets called, which converts a ModSummary (from the module graph, in dependency order) into a FrontendResult
2017-06-15 12:20:53	wz1000	ok
2017-06-15 12:21:10	alanz	And a FrontendResult is a container for a TcGglEnv
2017-06-15 12:21:57	wz1000	ok
2017-06-15 12:22:11	alanz	which we will ignore for now, need to see what the default hook does.
2017-06-15 12:22:35	wz1000	I get why you need the hook.
2017-06-15 12:23:16	alanz	So if no hook is set for the hscFrontendHook, it uses genericFrontend', which is a wrapper around hscFileFrontend
2017-06-15 12:24:00	alanz	hscFileFrontend is the thing that runs, in order, the parser, renamer and typechecker on the modsummary
2017-06-15 12:24:16	alanz	ok.
2017-06-15 12:24:26	 *	alanz just refreshing my own brain
2017-06-15 12:24:43	wz1000	ok
2017-06-15 12:24:44	alanz	Now, this whole process happens from a call to loadTargets
2017-06-15 12:25:27	alanz	Which happens in GhcMod runGmltWith, just before doing our user-supplied action
2017-06-15 12:25:44	wz1000	ok
2017-06-15 12:26:07	alanz	In other words, the target module we care about goes through the parse,rename,typecheck process already, just to set up the context we want
2017-06-15 12:26:24	alanz	So, in HaRe, we put in out own hook.
2017-06-15 12:27:06	wz1000	that saves the typechecked module?
2017-06-15 12:27:17	wz1000	I got that part
2017-06-15 12:27:21	alanz	This replaces the hscfileFrontEnd call with our own version, which does the same as hscFileFrontEnd, but also saves the results of the passes as they happen, for the module of interest
2017-06-15 12:28:07	wz1000	My question was that the stuff inside 'if keepInfo then ...' looks very similar to this: https://www.stackage.org/haddock/lts-8.18/ghc-8.0.2/src/GHC.html#parseModule
2017-06-15 12:28:12	alanz	So, in HaRe, we have parseSourceFileGhc
2017-06-15 12:29:05	alanz	We create an IORef which stores the filename we care about (as input) and Nothing (for the output to come)
2017-06-15 12:29:35	wz1000	ok
2017-06-15 12:29:47	alanz	we then call runGmlT' with a dynflags setting function to enable our hook, which includes the IORef in it
2017-06-15 12:30:29	alanz	The action we pass through is simply (return ()), because all the work happens in loadTargets, via ghc-mod
2017-06-15 12:31:40	wz1000	ok
2017-06-15 12:31:51	alanz	The HaRe hscFrontEnd, installed as a hook, checks the filename being loaded, if it is the one of interest it keeps the results (slightly more, packaged in the custom TypeCheckedModule), and puts it back into the IORef
2017-06-15 12:32:02	alanz	Which is then retrieved after
2017-06-15 12:32:35	alanz	Does that make sense?
2017-06-15 12:32:46	wz1000	yeah
2017-06-15 12:33:08	alanz	Once you see how the pieces fit together it is all quite straightforward
2017-06-15 12:33:43	wz1000	I don't get some of the stuff inside hscFrontend
2017-06-15 12:34:24	alanz	the HaRe one, or the GHC one?
2017-06-15 12:34:28	wz1000	hare
2017-06-15 12:34:44	wz1000	why aren't you using parseModule and typecheckModule?
2017-06-15 12:34:56	 *	alanz looking
2017-06-15 12:35:01	wz1000	https://www.stackage.org/haddock/lts-8.18/ghc-8.0.2/src/GHC.html#parseModule
2017-06-15 12:35:15	wz1000	The code inside the if block looks a lot like this
2017-06-15 12:36:26	alanz	In order to get the annotations which ghc-exactprint needs to function, we have to run the parser with modSumWithRaw set
2017-06-15 12:36:48	wz1000	yes, but you can then pass that modSumWithRaw to parseModulse
2017-06-15 12:37:35	wz1000	And then restore the original mod summary in the resultant parseModule
2017-06-15 12:37:45	wz1000	s/parseModule/ParsedModule/
2017-06-15 12:38:07	alanz	I guess.
2017-06-15 12:38:46	alanz	I brought stuff over from GHC and made it work, did not do a cleanup pass
2017-06-15 12:39:12	wz1000	I just wanted to know if there is something special you are doing that you need for HaRe
2017-06-15 12:39:50	wz1000	that parseModule + typecheckModule don't do.
2017-06-15 12:39:51	alanz	no. The only special thing is to make sure that Opt_KeepRawTokenStream is enabled when we parse the specific module (which HaRe needs)
2017-06-15 12:40:07	alanz	And to put the result back in the IOVar
2017-06-15 12:40:30	wz1000	Ok. Can I rewrite that to use those two functions?
2017-06-15 12:40:41	alanz	otherwise the closer to the normal GHC chain the better, so that any changes that happen in GHC do not have to be mirrored
2017-06-15 12:40:49	alanz	yes, PR welcome
2017-06-15 12:41:06	wz1000	thanks.
2017-06-15 12:41:12	 *	alanz once again happy to have extra eyes looking at things
2017-06-15 12:42:37	wz1000	Also, for the caching stuff, we could have hscFrontend save all the files instead of just the target
2017-06-15 12:44:05	alanz	yes. modulo storage used
2017-06-15 12:44:16	alanz	perhaps all the ones that have a VFS entry
2017-06-15 12:45:25	wz1000	Ok. Can I break up some functions in HaRe to make them easier to use with hie?
2017-06-15 12:45:50	alanz	yes, so long as the HaRe tests continue to pass
2017-06-15 12:46:07	alanz	And eventually I see some stuff moving out of HaRe, if necessary.
2017-06-15 12:46:31	alanz	To get the layering right
2017-06-15 12:46:54	wz1000	also, what is the stuff going on with the moduleGraph in parseSourceFileGhc?
2017-06-15 12:48:13	wz1000	Thats just to get the Module Summary?
2017-06-15 12:48:15	alanz	Good question. Need to remember, hold on
2017-06-15 12:51:55	alanz	First thing is to create the info we need (into t).
2017-06-15 12:52:34	alanz	The cppComments is a workaround for cpp, where it does a diff between the tokens produced by the lexer for the original source vs the prepreoceesed
2017-06-15 12:52:58	alanz	and turns the missing ones into comments, thus preserving the alternate legs of #if definitions
2017-06-15 12:53:08	alanz	Which is needed for ghc-exactprint
2017-06-15 12:53:48	alanz	setContext puts the module into the ghci context, so that various queries will work, like asking GHC for names in scope etc
2017-06-15 12:54:48	alanz	The rest is a very messy bit to put the loaded module in scope, and check if you are trying to replace a module that has been edited, without first dumping its results.
2017-06-15 12:56:03	alanz	So parts are to deal with managing the ghc-exactprint environment for the module, parts to do with caching the result, parts for setting the ghc context
2017-06-15 13:01:04	alanz	wz1000: it might be useful to be able to set a flag to enable ghc-exactprint related processing on a module, for when it is loaded.  Which would do those two things, the raw token stream and the cpp comments. And not otherwise
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2017-06-15 13:33:05	wz1000	alanz: http://lpaste.net/356254
2017-06-15 13:33:52	alanz	what ghc version are you using?
2017-06-15 13:34:16	wz1000	8.0.1
2017-06-15 13:34:38	alanz	you need 8.0.2
2017-06-15 13:35:13	wz1000	ok
2017-06-15 13:35:20	alanz	but it is odd that the CPP does not catch that.
2017-06-15 13:42:54	wz1000	alanz: Can you help me make a stack.yaml? Arch doesn't have 8.0.2 yet(I asked on the irc and its coming "soon"). 
2017-06-15 13:42:57	wz1000	http://lpaste.net/356255
2017-06-15 13:44:31	alanz	stack build --stack-yaml stack-8.0.2.yaml
2017-06-15 13:44:39	alanz	its already there :)
2017-06-15 13:45:00	wz1000	there is a 8.0.1.yaml
2017-06-15 13:45:03	wz1000	not for 8.0.2
2017-06-15 13:45:31	alanz	for HaRe master? From RefactoringTools?
2017-06-15 13:45:54	wz1000	From alanz/
2017-06-15 13:46:00	alanz	And I see that one needs an update. hold on
2017-06-15 13:49:43	alanz	btw, I run versions of ghc by making /opt/ghc and unpacking and installing them there
2017-06-15 13:50:04	alanz	then put them all in my path as ghc-8.0.2, ghc-7.10.3 etc
2017-06-15 13:50:18	wz1000	how does cabal figure out which to use?
2017-06-15 13:50:36	alanz	you can say "cabal configure --with-compiler=ghc-8.0.2"
2017-06-15 13:50:47	alanz	then it uses it for the build
2017-06-15 13:50:56	alanz	until you configure with a different one.
2017-06-15 13:50:58	wz1000	then i can probaly use the one stack installed
2017-06-15 13:52:03	alanz	wz1000: and I see that the stack file was only on my local repo.
2017-06-15 13:52:12	alanz	I just pushed to my HaRe, on a branch
2017-06-15 13:52:24	wz1000	which branch
2017-06-15 13:52:26	wz1000	?
2017-06-15 13:52:34	alanz	stack-8.0.2
2017-06-15 13:52:44	alanz	it will show up as the most recently changed
2017-06-15 13:52:57	alanz	if you git pull, or look on github
2017-06-15 13:53:07	alanz	it is a trivial one, btw.
2017-06-15 13:53:31	alanz	I need to check if stack test actually works though
2017-06-15 14:04:12	alanz	looks like stack test runs ok with that setup
2017-06-15 14:04:31	alanz	(has not finished yet though)
2017-06-15 14:13:06	wz1000	alanz: I figured out why hscFrontend was written that way.
2017-06-15 14:13:18	alanz	yes?
2017-06-15 14:13:20	wz1000	GHC.Hsc is not an instance of GhcMonad
2017-06-15 14:13:34	alanz	yes, it is in IO
2017-06-15 14:13:39	wz1000	So we can't use parseModule and typecheckedModule
2017-06-15 14:13:47	alanz	So there was some jumping around to get the hscEnc
2017-06-15 14:13:53	alanz	hscEnv
2017-06-15 14:14:17	alanz	Should probably put a comment about that, so the next person to wonder gets an answer
2017-06-15 14:15:18	alanz	And I got a clean result from "stack -stack-yaml stack-8.0.2.yaml test", against my branch
2017-06-15 14:16:12	alanz	The tests take a long time to run because it is starting a brand new ghc session, with all its up to date checks for a lot of them that it runs
2017-06-15 14:26:46	wz1000	alanz: Can there be a scenario where the hook won't update the IORef with the target TypecheckedModule?
2017-06-15 14:37:10	alanz	It should not happen. But if for example there is a compile failure in loading a previous module, the process will stop
2017-06-15 14:37:36	alanz	So if the preconditions hold for HaRe (buildable project) it will hold. Not so for hie
2017-06-15 15:30:42	wz1000	alanz: What do you think about moving the vfs into hie?
2017-06-15 15:30:56	alanz	why?
2017-06-15 15:31:16	alanz	what about other users of haskell-lsp? for other languages
2017-06-15 15:35:00	alanz	The way it is setup, the management of accumulating changes happens in haskell-lsp, but the processing of them is free to happen in the server using haskell-lsp
2017-06-15 15:35:18	alanz	So it comes down to defining the right interfaces in the right places
2017-06-15 15:36:05	wz1000	ok
2017-06-15 15:36:33	wz1000	Is it ok if I change the handler type from LspFuncs -> b -> IO () to b -> IO ()
2017-06-15 15:36:47	wz1000	Since we are not passing the lspfuncs to the handlers anymore
2017-06-15 15:37:13	wz1000	we just get them on initialization
2017-06-15 15:38:53	alanz	ok
2017-06-15 15:39:06	alanz	We can always add them back if we find a need for them
2017-06-15 15:39:24	alanz	and as we discussed before, better to have one way only. Avoids confusion
2017-06-15 15:41:13	alanz	And the master failure is genuine. Odd. Will fix it.
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2017-06-15 15:58:17	wz1000	alanz: http://lpaste.net/5503297091360784384
2017-06-15 15:58:19	wz1000	huh
2017-06-15 15:58:45	wz1000	It should just be a type error
2017-06-15 16:01:15	alanz	no idea
2017-06-15 16:01:36	alanz	if you blow away .stack-work and build without fast, what happens?
2017-06-15 16:02:07	alanz	maybe it IS a bug
2017-06-15 16:02:39	alanz	The ambiguous record stuff is still quite new ...
2017-06-15 16:03:12	wz1000	alanz: This isn't using that. We're using lenses
2017-06-15 16:03:58	alanz	ok
2017-06-15 16:04:12	alanz	did you change something though? 
2017-06-15 16:04:31	wz1000	removed stack-work and built it without fast-same thing
2017-06-15 16:04:41	alanz	and if the lense is referring to something underneath that is ambiugous, it still needs to be resolved correctly
2017-06-15 16:05:01	alanz	What is your delta from master?
2017-06-15 16:05:58	wz1000	alanz: http://lpaste.net/356257
2017-06-15 16:08:28	alanz	is it complaining about http://lpaste.net/356257#line142?
2017-06-15 16:08:45	wz1000	I think so
2017-06-15 16:09:11	wz1000	The first time I ran against it was when I ommitted the lf argument
2017-06-15 16:09:27	alanz	When I get this sort of thing I start putting (temporary) type signatures on everything
2017-06-15 16:09:53	alanz	and it is normally because some type is different from what you expect, in a different place
2017-06-15 16:10:14	alanz	e.g. "lf <- ask" 
2017-06-15 16:10:37	alanz	put "lf <- ask :: Foo
2017-06-15 16:10:43	alanz	and see if it agrees
2017-06-15 16:11:08	alanz	You may have to enable an extension to put sigs in the various places
2017-06-15 16:11:51	wz1000	I stubbed that out and will fix all the other type errors in the code. Maybe that will fix it
2017-06-15 16:12:31	alanz	ok. But a naked "ask" looks a bit dangerous too
2017-06-15 16:12:57	alanz	And if there are other errors, they could be destabilising things
2017-06-15 16:13:16	alanz	which is what putting sigs in does, forces the issue at known points
2017-06-15 16:13:17	wz1000	alanz: The first time I got the error I had no ask. 
2017-06-15 16:13:34	alanz	ok. Pretty scary when it happens :)
2017-06-15 16:17:07	wz1000	alanz: Its gone. After I fixed all the other type errors, it turned out that getVirtualFileFuncs wasn't even in scope
2017-06-15 16:17:11	wz1000	It had to be qualified
2017-06-15 16:17:46	alanz	ok. Type inference can only work with what it knows, sometimes there is not enought
2017-06-15 16:17:54	alanz	but it should not panic
2017-06-15 16:18:08	alanz	anyway, you can move on at least
2017-06-15 16:21:44	wz1000	How did it get to the typechecker in the first place? Should it have complained about variable not in scope?
2017-06-15 16:23:53	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/34
2017-06-15 16:27:55	alanz	I made a comment. I suspect the answer is yes, because we are setting server capabilities
2017-06-15 16:31:00	wz1000	We do get an intialzied notification
2017-06-15 16:31:31	wz1000	Also, anything you wanted to do over there can be handled in the reactor, just before the message loop
2017-06-15 16:32:49	wz1000	I think it goes like this: Client sends initialize request, which is reponded to by haskell-lsp itself. 
2017-06-15 16:33:17	wz1000	haskell-lsp then runs the reactor with the LspFuncs from the intialize request
2017-06-15 16:33:50	wz1000	Meanwhile, the client sends an initialzed notification on haskell-lsps processing of the initialize request
2017-06-15 16:35:05	alanz	ok, sounds good.
2017-06-15 16:36:28	alanz	and it looks like the merge of my most recent PR did something strange on haskell-ide-engine. I am going to resync master to my branch, once I have confirmed that I am happy with it. Weird.
2017-06-15 16:36:47	wz1000	Yeah, I saw the failure
2017-06-15 16:37:36	alanz	but master says it has merged my branch, but if I do a diff it clearly has not.
2017-06-15 16:38:19	alanz	I think the intermediate merge of bumping hlint to 2.0.9 did something to the bookkeepingin git
2017-06-15 16:43:14	wz1000	hmm, I pulled from haskell/hie:master and the tests pass on my machine
2017-06-15 16:43:42	wz1000	No, wait they don't
2017-06-15 16:43:49	wz1000	Functional test fails
2017-06-15 16:48:11	alanz	yes. And there is now something wacky with my local build. The world is not cooperating today
2017-06-15 16:49:27	alanz	I will push a correction shortly
2017-06-15 16:50:23	alanz	rebasing, lets see what that does
2017-06-15 17:07:25	--	Notice(GitHub1): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #245: Hlint pragmas 2 (master...hlint-pragmas-2) https://git.io/vHbDz
2017-06-15 18:30:10	arrowsvc	Sigh. That dll problem again.
2017-06-15 18:42:10	alanz	well, if it is any consolation I am getting whacky stuff locally too. Not windows stuff though. Sudden references to cabal new-build folders missing, in a complete stack project.
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2017-06-15 20:02:42	--	Notice(GitHub174): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #245: Hlint pragmas 2 (master...hlint-pragmas-2) https://git.io/vHbDz
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2017-06-16 11:47:31	wz1000	alanz: Can you merge this? https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/34
2017-06-16 11:48:41	wz1000	I see there are a few more open PRs to haskell-lsp
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2017-06-16 13:23:33	--	Notice(GitHub156): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #246: Integrate into hie (master...master) https://git.io/vHAN3
2017-06-16 13:23:40	wz1000	alanz: ^
2017-06-16 13:23:59	wz1000	Hare isn't working on mapped files. ghcmod and hlint are working.
2017-06-16 13:26:21	wz1000	I don't know if this is an upstream issue or an issue with runHareCommand'
2017-06-16 13:44:18	wz1000	btw, I somehow got hie to segfault
2017-06-16 13:44:38	wz1000	can't reproduce it
2017-06-16 13:56:46	alanz	wz1000: will start taking a look
2017-06-16 13:57:15	alanz	But I first have to sort out my dev environment, something odd is going on with running the hie tests
2017-06-16 15:55:08	wz1000	alanz: I think the caching would have to be integrated into HaRe at some level. Otherwise the most we can do is cache the first module HaRe tries to parse
2017-06-16 15:55:31	alanz	ok, still resetting my machine, nearly done.
2017-06-16 15:56:00	alanz	And the mechanism we care about is using HaRe via HIE, which has access to the VFS
2017-06-16 15:56:12	alanz	Not sure how it would work in hare itself.
2017-06-16 15:56:26	wz1000	I'm talking about cacheing of parsed TypecheckedModules
2017-06-16 15:56:31	alanz	My understanding of ghc-mod is that if there is a map file it gets used
2017-06-16 15:56:34	alanz	ok, gotcha
2017-06-16 16:03:20	wz1000	Or maybe we could integrate it into ghc-mod itself, making it transparent to ghc-mod clients
2017-06-16 16:04:17	wz1000	Similar to how mapped files work
2017-06-16 16:05:22	alanz	yes, I think that is a good idea
2017-06-16 16:05:38	alanz	BTW, did you see the #ghc-mod channel overnight?
2017-06-16 16:05:41	wz1000	yes
2017-06-16 16:06:19	alanz	I agree with dxld, we use the core only and bring the stuff we need over.
2017-06-16 16:06:40	alanz	And I think it might be best to fork ghc-mod, and split it into the two packages.
2017-06-16 16:06:55	alanz	Then persuade dxld to publish them.
2017-06-16 16:07:42	alanz	In the interim, we can perhaps build a layer between ghc-mod and hie, that can be used by hie and hare (and any other tooling) that does the caching.
2017-06-16 16:07:57	alanz	Or, as you suggest, put it straight into ghc-mod core
2017-06-16 16:08:05	alanz	which might be the simplest
2017-06-16 16:08:06	wz1000	ok, I'll look into that when I get back next week.
2017-06-16 16:08:20	alanz	great. When do you leave? monday?
2017-06-16 16:08:25	wz1000	Ghc-mod core has some existing caching functionality
2017-06-16 16:08:27	wz1000	Sunday
2017-06-16 16:08:37	alanz	ok, enjoy the break
2017-06-16 16:08:55	alanz	yes, we need to build out that functionality to give what we need
2017-06-16 16:09:11	alanz	I am getting quite excited by this, to be honest
2017-06-16 16:10:11	wz1000	thanks. Meanwhile, can you think of any low hanging fruit I can attempt in the next two days?
2017-06-16 16:10:40	wz1000	Yeah, its become pretty useable now.
2017-06-16 16:11:20	wz1000	Getting hare to work on mapped files and making findDef faster would really help
2017-06-16 16:11:50	alanz	agree
2017-06-16 16:12:31	alanz	maybe work with hakell-lsp example project to get a better understanding of some of the other messaging/functionality?
2017-06-16 16:12:53	alanz	in particular the dynamics around codeAction, codeLens, the resolve stuff
2017-06-16 16:13:56	wz1000	try it out now with the integrated vfs stuff. It works like a charm(on small projects atleast).
2017-06-16 16:14:45	alanz	ok, will do soon, still wrestling with my config. It is trying to use cabal new-build in the tests, for some reason
2017-06-16 16:15:46	wz1000	Oh, that reminds me, It still doesn't compile. I was waiting for you to merge haskell-lsp.
2017-06-16 16:16:21	alanz	just looking at that now.
2017-06-16 16:16:46	alanz	I need a tool that tells me what repos have PRs on them, I have so many, gh does not give a proper overview.
2017-06-16 16:16:59	alanz	I can list ones I made, but not ones I need to action
2017-06-16 16:17:20	wz1000	The other prs by jmitchell also look good
2017-06-16 16:17:24	alanz	ok, merged yours.
2017-06-16 16:17:42	alanz	Yes, will get them in too. Feel embarrased not to have notices them
2017-06-16 16:41:12	wz1000	alanz: I'm thinking of taking a stab at formatting. hindent, stylish haskell or brittany?
2017-06-16 16:41:58	alanz	Brittany uses ghc so can make use of caching. But is the least mature.
2017-06-16 16:42:03	alanz	hindent is the most mature
2017-06-16 16:42:38	alanz	The brittany dev (hexagoxel on irc) is pretty responsive though
2017-06-16 16:50:53	wz1000	alanz: I think brittany uses exactprint
2017-06-16 16:51:21	alanz	yes, I know. Hence ghc instead of HSE
2017-06-16 16:52:29	wz1000	So how do we use caching with exactprint?
2017-06-16 16:57:19	alanz	well, it uses ghc-mod underneath
2017-06-16 16:58:12	alanz	I suggest we make sure we load with the API Annotations (RawTokenStream or whatever) when we cache the VFS stuff
2017-06-16 16:58:29	alanz	And then make it available to users, such as HaRe and brittany
2017-06-16 16:59:07	alanz	But I would do the format thing in two steps, first integrate it, then optimise the interaction with VFS/ghc-mod
2017-06-16 17:03:08	wz1000	ok.
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2017-06-16 17:44:54	wz1000	alanz: Can you check if your fork of ghc-mod works with hspec 2.4.3?
2017-06-16 17:45:09	wz1000	Brittany requires that version
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2017-06-16 18:11:12	alanz	ok, hold on
2017-06-16 18:22:40	alanz	wz1000: yes, it does
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2017-06-16 19:47:13	--	Notice(GitHub113): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #246: Integrate VFS into hie (master...master) https://git.io/vHAN3
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2017-06-16 19:47:14	--	Notice(GitHub73): haskell-ide-engine/master 9e77719 Zubin Duggal: Updated for new haskell-lsp
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2017-06-16 22:32:56	alanz	wz1000: see https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/tree/mapped-files
2017-06-16 22:33:29	alanz	It passed the UtilsSpec in HaRe, have not done a full test yet (see travis though), and have not tested it in HIE
2017-06-16 22:48:37	wz1000	Ok, the something is probably going wrong with runHareCommand'
2017-06-16 22:52:18	alanz	well, the first step is to use a version of HaRe that honours the mapped file
2017-06-16 22:52:42	alanz	Then we need to make sure that we call whatever it takes in ghc-mod to map the file from VFS, in hie
2017-06-16 22:53:39	alanz	so runHareCommand' needs to call GM.mapFile, having first dumped VFS to disk into a temp dir or some such
2017-06-16 22:54:07	alanz	And the HaRe tests passed on travis for 8.0.2/
2017-06-16 22:54:16	alanz	https://travis-ci.org/alanz/HaRe/builds/243746114
2017-06-16 22:55:17	alanz	wz1000: does that make sense to you?
2017-06-16 22:57:26	wz1000	alanz: HaRe doesn't honour the mapped file by default?
2017-06-16 22:57:51	alanz	not until that branch of mine, which I will merge into master once it passes
2017-06-16 22:58:14	alanz	The map file management historically started in the ghc-mod exe only
2017-06-16 22:58:36	alanz	so we have to reach in to ghc-mod to use it for our stuff too
2017-06-16 22:59:38	alanz	which I have now done for HaRe, in that branch. Which still manages to use the hood, but I have not explicitly tested for mapping a file and having it still work. I guess I should
2017-06-16 22:59:51	wz1000	alanz: Does that branch honour  mapped files for dependencies too? If the target,A, imports B, and B is mapped, will that work?
2017-06-16 23:00:29	alanz	no, if you look at the ghc-mod source it only maps the files given to it as targets
2017-06-16 23:00:46	alanz	To do what you describe we would have to dive into GHC
2017-06-16 23:01:23	alanz	Which we(I) will do one day, as part of pushing the incremental stuff all the way in
2017-06-16 23:01:31	wz1000	I don't think runHareCommand' is messed up. I think it preserves GhcMod state including mapped files
2017-06-16 23:02:36	alanz	runHareCommand' invokes HaRe, which (now) uses ghc-mod mapped files
2017-06-16 23:02:47	alanz	But hie needs to tell ghc-mod about the mapping
2017-06-16 23:03:02	wz1000	It does, since the last PR
2017-06-16 23:03:15	alanz	ok, looking now
2017-06-16 23:03:19	wz1000	Thats how I integrated vfs
2017-06-16 23:03:44	wz1000	Look in the NotDidChange/SaveDocument
2017-06-16 23:04:42	alanz	yes, I see it.
2017-06-16 23:04:56	wz1000	mapFileFromVfs and umapFileFromVfs
2017-06-16 23:05:00	alanz	Then updating HaRe in hie to be my branch should get it to use the map file
2017-06-16 23:05:11	alanz	awesome.
2017-06-16 23:05:51	alanz	at the moment HaRe calls parseXXX for every file it cares about, so your concern about deps being loaded will not be a problem
2017-06-16 23:06:05	alanz	But there will still be room for optimisation, on the way
2017-06-16 23:07:06	wz1000	Ok. But the deps won't work with GhcMod?
2017-06-16 23:08:21	alanz	no, but it will not affect HaRe, in the sense that it will use the current file as changed, against the on-disk copy of other files.
2017-06-16 23:08:36	alanz	Which will handle the case of a single file being edited
2017-06-16 23:09:59	wz1000	Ok. I do think it is reasonable for a user to expect their changes not to be reflected in other files until they save.
2017-06-16 23:10:13	alanz	agree. One step at a time
2017-06-16 23:11:48	alanz	At the moment (if I recall correctly) HaRe loads the target as a whole, rather than the specific file. So we can potentially pass the set of files that are changed and part of the target to the load function.
2017-06-16 23:11:56	alanz	But one step at a time.
2017-06-16 23:14:08	wz1000	alanz: In your commit to HaRe, I dont' see it using mFileName
2017-06-16 23:14:46	wz1000	You call setTarget with cfilename
2017-06-16 23:14:54	alanz	Here: https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/commit/756d06f9c6ec5492bfb9305a593bebf5e72c1cf0#diff-d28ab2b5389414cbc3cb271388e91d6aR140
2017-06-16 23:15:21	alanz	ghc-mod will do the same lookup, and load the mapped file name. So the hook needs to look for the alternate
2017-06-16 23:15:24	wz1000	Yeah, but how does ghc know to load the mapped file?
2017-06-16 23:15:34	wz1000	Oh, OK
2017-06-16 23:16:15	alanz	I am building a version of hie with this (waiting for eternal HaRe checkout), and will then see if it works in vscode
2017-06-16 23:16:35	alanz	yandex
2017-06-16 23:16:43	alanz	oops, wrong browser
2017-06-16 23:17:26	alanz	So yandex and google are the main search bots hitting a random server I set up.
2017-06-16 23:17:48	wz1000	what is yandex?
2017-06-16 23:18:12	alanz	A russian search company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yandex
2017-06-16 23:18:18	alanz	I just looked it up
2017-06-16 23:19:46	wz1000	Chinese and Russian internet is another world altogether.
2017-06-16 23:23:11	alanz	agree. And big
2017-06-16 23:29:17	wz1000	well, china has more internet users than the next three countries combined.
2017-06-16 23:46:35	wz1000	stackage thinks '...' is a string. So it trips up on DataKinds
2017-06-16 23:47:42	wz1000	why does ghcmod try to load all mapped files? https://www.stackage.org/haddock/nightly-2017-06-14/ghc-mod-5.8.0.0/src/GhcMod.Target.html#runGmlTWith
2017-06-16 23:54:47	wz1000	alanz: Can you also relax the contraints on ghcmod's hspec?
2017-06-16 23:57:14	alanz	wz1000: you can also fork ghc-mod, and update it, then change the stack.yaml to point to your branch. Nothing holy here.
2017-06-16 23:57:40	wz1000	ok, I'll do so
2017-06-16 23:58:01	alanz	what do you mean "load all mapped files"?
2017-06-16 23:58:41	wz1000	targetStrs = mappedStrs ++ ...
2017-06-16 23:58:56	wz1000	loadTargets opts targetStrs
2017-06-17 00:00:29	alanz	no idea, ask dxld. Maybe it is to sort out that problem you raised, about the deps. A brute force approach.
2017-06-17 00:00:40	alanz	I assumed it only loaded the ones given
2017-06-17 00:01:05	wz1000	yeah, thats what I was thinking
2017-06-17 00:01:53	alanz	We can change ghc-mod, and make PRs
2017-06-17 00:02:05	alanz	The benefits of open source
2017-06-17 00:04:02	wz1000	alanz: In haskell-lsp, should we closeVfs when we get TextDocDidSave?
2017-06-17 00:04:20	wz1000	Right now we nop
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2017-06-17 15:07:21	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/e70fac04a1e7f3bbcb312510674f02d8e01c8ea0
2017-06-17 15:07:43	wz1000	any luck with HaRe?
2017-06-17 15:08:43	alanz	I did not get a chance to look further last night, just getting down to things now. Will have to use the emacs client, the refactor stuff is not that well supported in vscode.
2017-06-17 15:08:49	alanz	but rename. Hmm.
2017-06-17 15:09:02	alanz	does brittany work?
2017-06-17 15:09:15	wz1000	yes
2017-06-17 15:09:30	alanz	Great, will give it a try.
2017-06-17 15:09:58	wz1000	I still have to write tests and handle rangeFormatting
2017-06-17 15:10:26	alanz	ok, but getting SOMETHING working is always a very good first step
2017-06-17 15:12:23	alanz	In other news: https://micronews.debian.org/
2017-06-17 15:13:11	wz1000	If rename and findDef work in vscode, then the rest will likely work.
2017-06-17 15:13:49	alanz	agree.
2017-06-17 15:13:57	alanz	I tried demote, hit a parameter error.
2017-06-17 15:14:02	alanz	yesterday
2017-06-17 15:14:27	wz1000	demote never worked with vscode
2017-06-17 15:14:52	wz1000	It doesn't have a way to pass arguments to it
2017-06-17 15:15:33	wz1000	Though there is a command prompt in vscode. I think we should be able to use that to look up the HaRe refactorings
2017-06-17 15:15:34	alanz	I am sure I had it working, based on codeAction, where the args are pre-set for the current cursor location
2017-06-17 15:15:54	wz1000	s/look/hook/
2017-06-17 15:16:00	alanz	yes, but then they have to be coded into the vscode client, which is a pain
2017-06-17 15:16:27	alanz	And I could not find a way to get user input in vscode, but did find a number of issues saying it is impossible
2017-06-17 15:17:38	alanz	But I think we can go a long way with codeAction, and set the missing params to some autgen thing. So dupplicate definition just calls it the old def with a suffix, and then you can rename
2017-06-17 15:17:58	wz1000	Ok
2017-06-17 15:18:09	alanz	And in future we can intelligently filter as to what refactorings make sense, given current code location
2017-06-17 15:18:27	wz1000	If we really need input, we could use the rename prompt for that purpose
2017-06-17 15:18:44	alanz	well, any command we end up exposing. Could be formatting, applying an expansion as per exference, or something else
2017-06-17 15:19:04	alanz	yes, but we can't distinguish an actual rename from some other thing
2017-06-17 15:19:30	alanz	or rather, my typescript coding knowledge is too bad to know how to leverage it
2017-06-17 15:20:12	wz1000	If the rename input in case of some other command isn't a valid haskell identifier, then we can easily distinguish it
2017-06-17 15:20:14	alanz	But there is movement on the vscode front, and plenty to do in terms of adding functionality before we get blocked
2017-06-17 15:20:28	alanz	yes, but that is *horrible* UI
2017-06-17 15:20:30	wz1000	In hie, not in the vscode plugin
2017-06-17 15:20:46	alanz	but in vscode you have to invoke rename.
2017-06-17 15:21:18	alanz	How do we tie that to some other command? Rather mechanically generate a name, and then rename as step 2
2017-06-17 15:21:37	alanz	I recall eclipse, or Borland Pascal used to do that
2017-06-17 15:22:18	alanz	When you create a new thing it just adds a numeric suffix to the name, known to be out of current scope, and it is up to you to rename if you need to
2017-06-17 15:22:36	wz1000	For which command?
2017-06-17 15:22:46	alanz	In other words, having a working rename allows other things.
2017-06-17 15:22:57	alanz	e.g. consider the following case
2017-06-17 15:23:07	alanz	1. cursor over the start of a defintion
2017-06-17 15:23:52	alanz	2. hie server sends dupdef command in codeAction, with locations preset and name set to "old1" if the def was "old"
2017-06-17 15:24:07	alanz	3. User right clicks, and selects dupdef
2017-06-17 15:24:23	alanz	4. New definition called old1, a copy of old is generated
2017-06-17 15:24:37	alanz	5. Invoke rename on "old1" to be whatever
2017-06-17 15:24:57	alanz	done
2017-06-17 15:25:06	alanz	and similar for others
2017-06-17 15:25:35	alanz	demote only needs a location of the originating thing, so used to already work in that scenario.
2017-06-17 15:26:03	alanz	But I think the parameter encoding we send in codeAction response has rotted wrt what we now expect.
2017-06-17 15:26:10	alanz	My fault for not having a test
2017-06-17 15:30:02	wz1000	alanz: This is the request we get https://pastebin.com/HSkJievx
2017-06-17 15:30:27	wz1000	The arguments are something arbitrary that vscode decides to give us
2017-06-17 15:31:28	wz1000	If it gives us the position we can fix it.
2017-06-17 15:32:10	alanz	ok, then I did not get it into place, was still experimenting
2017-06-17 15:33:02	alanz	But, if you look at what happens in LspStdio ReqCodeAction for makeCommand, we could easily make a hare demote command there, in similar fashion
2017-06-17 15:33:39	wz1000	yeah, but that will make a code action pop up on every line
2017-06-17 15:33:40	alanz	Because the demote command is currently registered as part of the startup process, you will see it in the LspStdio stuff
2017-06-17 15:33:53	wz1000	Right now they just pop up when there is a hlint refactoring
2017-06-17 15:34:12	alanz	We should probably register a global applyrefact:applyAll" there instead, which is at least meaningful
2017-06-17 15:34:48	alanz	right, so we use that same process to provide context-specific available refactorings, and other commands 
2017-06-17 15:34:58	alanz	its potentially *ver* powerful
2017-06-17 15:35:02	alanz	very
2017-06-17 15:35:45	wz1000	btw, do we have a function that will extract the text in some range from a string?
2017-06-17 15:36:18	alanz	how do you mean?
2017-06-17 15:36:26	alanz	some sort of slice function?
2017-06-17 15:36:45	alanz	what range? what string?
2017-06-17 15:37:12	wz1000	Yeah, a slice. Range as in denoted by two (line, column) positions
2017-06-17 15:37:57	alanz	so we are in the source, and want a string from say line 3 col 4 to line 10 col 2?
2017-06-17 15:38:11	alanz	YiRope should be able to do that, I think
2017-06-17 15:38:27	alanz	what do you need it for?
2017-06-17 15:38:32	wz1000	rangeFormatting
2017-06-17 15:39:17	alanz	Look into YiRope. I think you can convert a (l,c) into a position from start, do it for start and end and then grab from the positions
2017-06-17 15:40:21	wz1000	I'll just write it with take/drop/lines right now.
2017-06-17 15:40:22	alanz	splitAt, 
2017-06-17 15:40:40	alanz	ok. Look at the stuff in haskell-lsp/VFS for inspiration
2017-06-17 15:41:17	alanz	and if you find better way feel free to update there too
2017-06-17 16:03:32	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/9cda66a66c46f2f4eb46d4b90bad789414ad62d0
2017-06-17 16:04:10	wz1000	It fails to format a range if you have any extentions enabled that change the syntax
2017-06-17 16:04:36	wz1000	We would have to parse those and manually set ghcOpts
2017-06-17 16:05:52	alanz	well, it is a problem in brittany, I think. They are not using the standard parsing we use in HaRe, which does make use of the pragmas, both from the cabal file and the comments at the top of the file
2017-06-17 16:08:02	wz1000	alanz: It works for full document formatting, as long as all the pragams are on top of the source file.
2017-06-17 16:08:15	alanz	ok, makes sense
2017-06-17 16:08:34	alanz	So perhaps we need to cache the pragmas in use
2017-06-17 16:09:19	alanz	FYI, it is all captured in the modsummary, so if we keep that up to date wrt VFS we can just apply them while parsing the fragment. They end up in DynFlags
2017-06-17 16:09:32	alanz	If that makes sense to you
2017-06-17 16:09:37	wz1000	we can also just enable the harmless syntax extentions like lambdacase, explicit forall etc. 
2017-06-17 16:09:44	wz1000	It only needs to parse, not typecheck
2017-06-17 16:09:55	alanz	True.
2017-06-17 16:10:09	alanz	But that is something to bear in mind for other situations like this
2017-06-17 16:15:07	--	Notice(GitHub20): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #247: Brittany plugin and support for textDocument/formatting, textDocument/rangeFormatting (master...brittany-plugin) https://git.io/vHhIt
2017-06-17 16:21:58	alanz	wz1000: see my comments
2017-06-17 16:26:29	wz1000	alanz: Ah, I didn't see that issue so didn't know about parsePrintModule. This can simplify the code quite a bit.
2017-06-17 16:26:40	alanz	:)
2017-06-17 17:22:08	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/247/commits/d73b72b4d626c8c44109077bb3630276b8d8ece0
2017-06-17 17:24:27	alanz	looks good. Will merge after CI
2017-06-17 17:29:39	wz1000	alanz: Ok, have to go pack now. See you next friday.
2017-06-17 17:30:26	alanz	ok, enjoy the break.
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2017-06-17 19:20:58	--	Notice(GitHub127): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #247: Brittany plugin and support for textDocument/formatting, textDocument/rangeFormatting (master...brittany-plugin) https://git.io/vHhIt
2017-06-17 19:20:58	--	Notice(GitHub154): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/vHh3u
2017-06-17 19:20:58	--	Notice(GitHub154): haskell-ide-engine/master e70fac0 Zubin Duggal: Added support for textDocument/formatting request using brittany
2017-06-17 19:20:58	--	Notice(GitHub154): haskell-ide-engine/master 9cda66a Zubin Duggal: Added support for rangeFormatting - GHC extensions aren't recognized yet
2017-06-17 19:20:58	--	Notice(GitHub154): haskell-ide-engine/master d73b72b Zubin Duggal: Simplified brittany plugin using latest dev branch of brittany, cleanup and minor fixes, enabled pedantic flag for hie-brittany, now taking user set formatting options(tabSize) into account
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2017-06-20 01:59:03	arrowsvc	alanz: Can you comment on my code? It is a total mess, but at least please take a look at "isHelperPrepared" and "listFlags" commands.
2017-06-20 01:59:04	arrowsvc	https://github.com/arrowd/haskell-ide-engine/blob/build-plugin/hie-build-plugin/Haskell/Ide/BuildPlugin.hs#L80
2017-06-20 02:00:24	alanz	arrowsvc: ok
2017-06-20 02:04:08	alanz	arrowsvc: looks ok, would have to see it in action to get an idea of how well it works.
2017-06-20 02:04:44	alanz	Just fyi, hie uses ghc-mod at the bottom, and it already has the targets and flags, so you can call into it to get the results
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2017-06-20 11:46:20	arrowsvc	alanz: I thought I was doing wrong when manually constructing JSON response object.
2017-06-20 11:47:41	alanz	arrowsvc: true, the idea is to keep it as a haskell type, which is easier to work with, and then toJSON it when it is ready to be sent to the client
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2017-06-23 16:23:38	wz1000	alanz: hey, i'm back
2017-06-23 16:24:42	alanz	great
2017-06-23 16:24:48	alanz	Refreshed, I hope
2017-06-23 16:26:36	wz1000	yeah, had to stop midway yesterday because the road was blocked off due to rain. I originally planned to reach back last night.
2017-06-23 16:27:28	alanz	ok, but you are back, safely
2017-06-23 16:28:07	alanz	I made progress on the map-file for HaRe. It was much more complicated than I originally thought
2017-06-23 16:28:25	alanz	Due to the ghc-mod interaction, which stores sessions.
2017-06-23 16:28:52	wz1000	so whats the problem.
2017-06-23 16:28:54	wz1000	?
2017-06-23 16:29:01	alanz	it is done now.
2017-06-23 16:29:06	alanz	See my wip branch
2017-06-23 16:29:12	wz1000	I see there has been a lot of discussion in #ghc-mod
2017-06-23 16:29:40	wz1000	ah, nice. did you test it with hie?
2017-06-23 16:29:50	alanz	yes, about the change I want to put in, to make sure we can reliably load a module and have it trigger the hscFrontEndHook
2017-06-23 16:30:17	alanz	yes, my wip branch stitches together the right ghc-mod and HaRe versions
2017-06-23 16:30:27	alanz	And it has shown up a bug
2017-06-23 16:30:59	alanz	If you open a file in vscode, and rename the same thing a couple of times, the file gets double chars at the end of lines
2017-06-23 16:31:29	alanz	So somewhere in the converting a diff to a workspaceedit and the updating of the VFS we are missing something
2017-06-23 16:32:11	alanz	This is my branch: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/wip
2017-06-23 16:32:21	wz1000	i'll take a look.
2017-06-23 16:32:39	alanz	thanks. I figured it would be a good one for you to sink your teeth into
2017-06-23 16:32:45	wz1000	are you going to merge it into haskell/hie?
2017-06-23 16:32:51	alanz	Let me know if you are able to replicate it
2017-06-23 16:33:02	wz1000	It is working otherwise?
2017-06-23 16:33:10	alanz	Yes, I may as well. Yes, passes tests.
2017-06-23 16:33:12	alanz	Hold on
2017-06-23 16:35:06	--	Notice(GitHub106): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #249: Use VFS and ghc-mod map file for HaRe too (master...wip) https://git.io/vQmeP
2017-06-23 16:35:13	alanz	ok, generated a PR. 
2017-06-23 16:36:07	alanz	And I see this more as a proof of concept, to understand WHAT needs to happen
2017-06-23 16:36:38	alanz	I think the eventual layering should see the TypeCheckedModule (As in HaRe) managed in a caching layer in ghc-mod core
2017-06-23 16:37:02	wz1000	I think the ghc typecheckedModule would be better.
2017-06-23 16:37:12	alanz	Because then it can be used for the other tooling too.
2017-06-23 16:37:18	wz1000	It has evertyhing we need to make the hare one
2017-06-23 16:37:53	alanz	no it does not. Else I would have used it. Or, provide the GHC one AND another bit with the extras
2017-06-23 16:38:02	alanz	Main thing is the extras must be there too
2017-06-23 16:38:33	alanz	actually GHC + extras makes sense
2017-06-23 16:40:48	wz1000	I did look at it last time when I was studying parseSourceFileGhc and hscFrontendHook. I couldn't see anything extra you were doing that parseModule/typecheckModule in ghc don't do.
2017-06-23 16:40:55	wz1000	Let me take a look again
2017-06-23 16:41:24	alanz	I do the same thing, but have two extra fields that I pull out and return, which are not in the GHC TypeCheckedModule
2017-06-23 16:42:22	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/Refact/Utils/Utils.hs#L195
2017-06-23 16:42:26	alanz	and the next line
2017-06-23 16:44:14	alanz	Hmm, https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/latest/docs/html/libraries/ghc-8.0.1/GHC.html#t:TypecheckedModule
2017-06-23 16:44:36	wz1000	see https://www.stackage.org/haddock/lts-8.18/ghc-8.0.2/src/GHC.html#typecheckModule
2017-06-23 16:44:52	wz1000	details is included in tm_internals_
2017-06-23 16:45:14	wz1000	also tc_gbl_env
2017-06-23 16:45:24	wz1000	you can pull out that stuff from there
2017-06-23 16:45:33	alanz	yes, I just noticed that. 
2017-06-23 16:45:42	 *	alanz live and learn
2017-06-23 16:45:57	alanz	awesome
2017-06-23 16:46:09	alanz	one less data type to manage
2017-06-23 16:46:17	wz1000	also, I think you can also get that stuff in loadFromModSummary
2017-06-23 16:46:49	wz1000	instead of using error
2017-06-23 16:47:05	alanz	ok, well, I look forward to PRs
2017-06-23 16:47:09	alanz	:)
2017-06-23 16:48:07	wz1000	what do you think about eliminating Hare.TypecheckedModule altogether?
2017-06-23 16:48:42	alanz	yes, and getting that other info as needed from it.
2017-06-23 16:49:22	alanz	I can make that change on the HaRe side, when I get some time. May not be today.
2017-06-23 16:49:35	wz1000	I wanted to get familiar with the HaRe codebase anyway. I can try to make a PR.
2017-06-23 16:49:42	alanz	ok, go for it.
2017-06-23 16:50:02	alanz	The code is a mess, I made a mental not to do a cleanup branch on the whole thing.
2017-06-23 16:50:30	alanz	But I do not want to mix cleanup and other changes, especially as there is another guy actively developing against it atm
2017-06-23 16:50:56	wz1000	which branch should I work on? mapped-files?
2017-06-23 16:52:39	wz1000	yes, I see SAdams fork. It hasn't been merge into yours for quite some time.
2017-06-23 16:54:35	alanz	yes, the one referred to from hie
2017-06-23 16:55:06	alanz	but SAdams does merge master into his from time to time
2017-06-23 16:55:29	alanz	He is bringing in a new refactoring. Hughes Lists, whatever those are
2017-06-23 16:55:56	alanz	it is the mapped-files branch
2017-06-23 16:57:45	wz1000	you changed haskell-lsp too?
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2017-06-23 16:59:54	alanz	yes, to enable the HaRe loggs to come out there too
2017-06-23 17:00:15	alanz	if you turn on the debug option in the HaRePlugin
2017-06-23 17:00:36	wz1000	and ghc-mod
2017-06-23 17:00:48	alanz	And you can turn on debug logging in the hie MainApp, which goes to stderr and shows up in vscode
2017-06-23 17:00:57	alanz	which is the ghc-mod stuff
2017-06-23 17:01:16	alanz	which helps a lot when debugging this stuff
2017-06-23 17:01:39	alanz	I am a great believer in debugging by logging.
2017-06-23 17:01:56	wz1000	is there any reason why we aren't using the latest ghc-mod?
2017-06-23 17:02:10	alanz	well, my changes are based off the release.
2017-06-23 17:02:19	alanz	I guess they should be off master.
2017-06-23 17:03:16	alanz	I initially thought I was just debugging something, and wanted to add a bit of logging to ghc-mod.
2017-06-23 17:03:32	alanz	you can rebase if you want, the ghc-mod stuff
2017-06-23 17:04:20	alanz	Wait, take a look at https://github.com/DanielG/ghc-mod/network
2017-06-23 17:04:28	wz1000	the PR looks good, hardly anything changed on the hie side.
2017-06-23 17:04:31	alanz	release is the current dev tip
2017-06-23 17:04:48	alanz	yes, it was all about getting the other bits to work
2017-06-23 17:06:01	alanz	you will see my ghc-mod branch is actually two, I am keeping the eqdynflags3 on top of it, as it needs more work.
2017-06-23 17:06:24	alanz	it works, but has a pretty crappy user interface, as my TH knowledge is limited
2017-06-23 17:11:11	wz1000	alanz: did you see this? https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/issues/35
2017-06-23 17:11:20	wz1000	We should probably update the readmes
2017-06-23 17:11:37	alanz	agree. I did not see it.
2017-06-23 17:11:56	alanz	I need some tool that can bring together the issue on the things I care about. 
2017-06-23 17:12:20	alanz	Because gh shows me for every project I follow, which is a *lot*, because I want the front page feed
2017-06-23 17:12:59	alanz	I have 21906 unread notifications
2017-06-23 17:13:08	wz1000	damn
2017-06-23 17:13:30	wz1000	maybe make another account for things you really care about
2017-06-23 17:13:51	wz1000	Or if you get email, you can filter those that contain certain keywords
2017-06-23 17:14:04	alanz	too compilicated. I already have far too many organisations, email addresses, etc
2017-06-23 17:14:23	alanz	I don't get email for those, which is odd. Let me check the settings.
2017-06-23 17:14:33	alanz	That would be my preferred.
2017-06-23 17:15:15	alanz	but e.g. haskell/haskell-ide-engine is not *my* project according to GH, so I don't/can't get email notifications for general changes
2017-06-23 17:15:40	wz1000	but haskell-lsp is.
2017-06-23 17:16:32	alanz	yes, but I did not get an email. Because it is not assigned to me.
2017-06-23 17:16:42	alanz	I wonder if I can auto-assign
2017-06-23 17:17:10	wz1000	strange, I got an email
2017-06-23 17:18:04	wz1000	I was thinking of opening an issue in lsp to change the protocol to send us the range highlighted in a Hover request
2017-06-23 17:18:17	wz1000	Right now we just get the position
2017-06-23 17:18:43	wz1000	with the range we can get the precise SrcSpan that encloses it and only report that type
2017-06-23 17:19:06	alanz	We need to stay standards-compliant
2017-06-23 17:19:17	wz1000	If nothing is selected we only report the type of the symbol under the cursor
2017-06-23 17:19:27	alanz	ok, I get you, thought you were talking about haskell-lsp
2017-06-23 17:19:34	alanz	makes sense, do it
2017-06-23 17:20:02	alanz	but just check if there are other issues, possibly closed about it first
2017-06-23 17:20:29	wz1000	Right now there is a lot of noise in the hover request as it reports the type of every SrcSpan that includes the cursor position
2017-06-23 17:20:36	alanz	And I turned off email notifications for repos I follow, because I would have 21k of them now
2017-06-23 17:21:03	alanz	Maybe we should trim it down ourselves, somehow?
2017-06-23 17:21:08	wz1000	and it is difficult to figure out which type corresponds to which srcspan
2017-06-23 17:21:16	alanz	Because realistically Hover can only be a point
2017-06-23 17:21:33	alanz	it is where the cursor currently is
2017-06-23 17:21:49	wz1000	what if someone selects some text and then hovers over it?
2017-06-23 17:22:04	alanz	that is something different
2017-06-23 17:22:20	alanz	I would argue
2017-06-23 17:23:32	wz1000	I think hover request has a mechanism for signifying the range the hover item corresponds to.
2017-06-23 17:23:53	wz1000	I can try to get it to report that.
2017-06-23 17:25:26	alanz	HoverReq has TextDocumentPositionParams. https://github.com/DanielG/ghc-mod/network
2017-06-23 17:25:44	alanz	damn, highlighting does not work as expected.
2017-06-23 17:25:50	alanz	https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/protocol.md#textdocumentpositionparams
2017-06-23 17:26:11	alanz	Which is a Position only
2017-06-23 17:27:28	wz1000	I mean the hover response
2017-06-23 17:27:36	wz1000	https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/protocol.md#textDocument_hover
2017-06-23 17:27:54	wz1000	it has an optional range
2017-06-23 17:28:16	alanz	yes, but it is only one
2017-06-23 17:28:42	alanz	ie. we must convert the point into something useful, then report on it, giving its range if we choose to
2017-06-23 17:28:58	arrowsvc_	I see ParamFile params are now Uri, not Text. Where is that Uri defined?
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2017-06-23 17:29:05	wz1000	oh. Then should we only report the type of the identifier directly under the cursor?
2017-06-23 17:29:12	wz1000	arrowsvc: haskell-lsp
2017-06-23 17:29:16	alanz	wz1000: yes
2017-06-23 17:29:31	wz1000	But we lose out some functionality that way
2017-06-23 17:29:46	alanz	well, it is the spec.
2017-06-23 17:30:05	alanz	We can propose an extension to do more, or provide it via the codeaction etc
2017-06-23 17:30:30	alanz	It is basically the same issue I am banging my head against in terms of getting HaRe commands in
2017-06-23 17:31:12	wz1000	I would have liked take 2 [1,2,3] where take 2 is highlighted to show the type [a] -> [a] 
2017-06-23 17:31:54	wz1000	arrowsvc: In DatatypesJSON.hs
2017-06-23 17:32:02	alanz	well, we can add intelligence at the back to choose more appropriately, depending on what is highlighted
2017-06-23 17:32:23	alanz	sometimes you may want to know if it is treating 2 as Int, Integer, ...
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2017-06-23 17:32:51	alanz	I see hover as a kind of dynamic typed hole
2017-06-23 17:32:54	wz1000	Hovering over the 2 should work in that case
2017-06-23 17:32:59	alanz	yes
2017-06-23 17:33:07	wz1000	as it is
2017-06-23 17:34:07	wz1000	so should I open an issue in lsp?
2017-06-23 17:35:08	alanz	I am not sure it is meaningful, now we have discussed it a bit. But could be useful for triggering conversation about getting info about a defined scope
2017-06-23 17:35:15	alanz	So may as well
2017-06-23 17:35:23	arrowsvc	Thanks.
2017-06-23 17:35:54	alanz	arrowsvc: in practice everything is "file://" at the moment
2017-06-23 17:36:45	arrowsvc	So, now I should send "file://blabla" instead of "blabla" from KDevelop side?
2017-06-23 17:37:15	alanz	yes
2017-06-23 17:38:25	wz1000	arrowsvc: yes. btw, I saw a blog post by a rust/kdevelop GSOCer who said she had implemented some of LSP in kdevelop.
2017-06-23 17:38:58	wz1000	If kdevelop has lsp support, hie should be plug and play.
2017-06-23 17:40:06	arrowsvc	Hum. But that LSP thing is still orthogonal to project management and building, IIUIC?
2017-06-23 17:40:21	wz1000	alanz: you can merge the PR, if you don't want to add anything to it.
2017-06-23 17:41:27	alanz	the HIE one? ok
2017-06-23 17:41:55	alanz	done
2017-06-23 17:42:03	--	Notice(GitHub155): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #249: Use VFS and ghc-mod map file for HaRe too (master...wip) https://git.io/vQmeP
2017-06-23 17:42:04	--	Notice(GitHub82): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/vQmkj
2017-06-23 17:42:04	--	Notice(GitHub82): haskell-ide-engine/master adc65fe Alan Zimmerman: WIP
2017-06-23 17:42:04	--	Notice(GitHub82): haskell-ide-engine/master 98d64c1 Alan Zimmerman: Use haskell-lsp from github
2017-06-23 17:42:04	--	Notice(GitHub82): haskell-ide-engine/master fa3e298 Alan Zimmerman: Use ghc-mod/HaRe that (better) use VSP...
2017-06-23 17:42:50	wz1000	arrowsvc: yeah, the protocol doesn't specify anything about that, but you can use executeCommand through lsp to call whatever hie function you need.
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2017-06-23 17:44:53	wz1000	See https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/protocol.md#workspace_executeCommand
2017-06-23 17:45:50	wz1000	we have it hooked up to translate that into a hie request here: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs#L346
2017-06-23 17:45:57	wz1000	arrowsvc: ^
2017-06-23 17:57:38	arrowsvc	https://perplexinglyemma.blogspot.ru/2017/06/language-servers-and-ides.html
2017-06-23 17:57:40	arrowsvc	Hum hum hum.
2017-06-23 18:06:47	alanz	yes, I saw that
2017-06-23 18:13:13	wz1000	alanz: I got hie to segfault again
2017-06-23 18:13:26	alanz	well done
2017-06-23 18:13:36	alanz	what were you doing at the time?
2017-06-23 18:13:49	wz1000	renaming things
2017-06-23 18:14:04	alanz	can you reproduce it?
2017-06-23 18:15:16	wz1000	nope
2017-06-23 18:15:33	alanz	well, when you can I can take a look.
2017-06-23 18:15:51	alanz	This is a very complex set of interacting pieces though
2017-06-23 18:15:51	wz1000	the coredump is also useless because debug symbols aren't enabled.
2017-06-23 18:16:17	alanz	well, maybe you should build so they are. If that is possible somehow
2017-06-23 18:16:34	alanz	Can't you build again and use the syms from the new build?
2017-06-23 18:17:16	wz1000	I don't know
2017-06-23 18:17:53	wz1000	btw, renaming is very buggy
2017-06-23 18:17:59	wz1000	on mapped files
2017-06-23 18:18:50	wz1000	even go to definition.
2017-06-23 18:19:15	wz1000	I think I figured out the problem
2017-06-23 18:19:39	wz1000	when we diff, we are diffing with the old file, not the mapped file
2017-06-23 18:20:01	wz1000	same with go to definition, it goes to the definitionin the tmp file
2017-06-23 18:26:01	alanz	that makes sense
2017-06-23 18:26:44	alanz	I was focusing on getting the load of the map files to work reliably, which I finally sorted out just before going to bed last night
2017-06-23 18:27:35	alanz	And that would explain why doing it repeatedly gives problems
2017-06-23 18:27:52	alanz	which is the acid test of mapped file usage.
2017-06-23 18:27:59	alanz	a sequence of operations
2017-06-23 18:41:36	wz1000	alanz: Does hare have mapped file or the original file in ApplyRefacResult?
2017-06-23 18:43:46	alanz	it will have loaded the map file (transparently)
2017-06-23 18:44:08	alanz	and then generates output for the new one, which it writes to a file based on the original name.
2017-06-23 18:44:26	alanz	Except you have changed that to dump it to a string.
2017-06-23 18:45:05	wz1000	Ok, so applyrefacresult would have the original file name
2017-06-23 18:45:14	alanz	And it never uses the mapped file name, except when interacting with ghc-mod
2017-06-23 18:45:30	alanz	and I see the problem, wrt to generating a diff
2017-06-23 18:45:52	alanz	we can push the original name through somewhere, for this use case
2017-06-23 18:47:48	alanz	or compare against the vfs version?
2017-06-23 18:48:09	alanz	which may have changed in the interim.
2017-06-23 18:49:03	alanz	but HaRe can touch unlimited files, so ApplyRefactResult must have it
2017-06-23 18:49:32	wz1000	alanz: Wouldn't ApplyRefactResult have the original filename?
2017-06-23 18:50:00	alanz	yes, it does. 
2017-06-23 18:50:11	alanz	But for the diff we need the mapped file name
2017-06-23 18:50:20	alanz	so perhaps it should return both now
2017-06-23 18:50:41	alanz	one to tell LSP which file to apply the edit to, the other for the original source diff
2017-06-23 18:50:59	alanz	OR, we must be able to ask for a result as a diff, and delegate it to HaRe
2017-06-23 18:51:13	alanz	where we need to keep track of the mapped one anyway
2017-06-23 18:51:30	alanz	btw, it shows up in the modsummary filename for the module
2017-06-23 18:51:31	wz1000	I'm just using GhcMod.withMappedFile to read the original file
2017-06-23 18:52:01	alanz	but parsedFileGhc in HaRe looks up the mapping and passes it to the hook.
2017-06-23 18:52:12	alanz	So it could be saved at that point too
2017-06-23 18:52:33	alanz	and put into the eventual applyrefactmodule
2017-06-23 18:53:02	alanz	In fact, the eventual caching layer in ghc-mod should keep the typecheckedmodule and both filenames
2017-06-23 18:53:31	wz1000	We don't need all of that. I fixed it by simply using GM.withMappedFile to read the file
2017-06-23 18:53:41	alanz	And we need to make sure that the structure we return makes sense in the presence of parse failures, rename failure, typecheck failures etc
2017-06-23 18:53:48	alanz	:)
2017-06-23 18:54:02	alanz	easy when you know how.
2017-06-23 18:55:22	wz1000	alanz: GhcMod already keeps track of both filenames for us
2017-06-23 18:55:47	alanz	I know. And I had forgotten
2017-06-23 18:56:02	alanz	so your solution is good.
2017-06-23 18:56:08	alanz	Which is what I meant now
2017-06-23 18:56:58	wz1000	Another thing: a new textDocumentChange should probably cancell all pending diagnostic requests
2017-06-23 18:57:16	alanz	yes, but you did that didn't you?
2017-06-23 18:57:40	wz1000	textDocumentChange is a notification, so we don't get cancel requests for that
2017-06-23 18:57:43	alanz	the ones that are cancellable, ie in the Q
2017-06-23 18:57:50	alanz	ok, gotcha
2017-06-23 18:57:57	wz1000	We have to handle the cancelling in hie
2017-06-23 18:58:14	alanz	makes sense
2017-06-23 18:59:56	wz1000	we can do this in two ways, add another mechanism for cancelling diagnostics specifically, or give the diagnostic requests a special id that we use the existing mechanism to cancel
2017-06-23 19:00:32	wz1000	since the request id can be a string, we can make it something like HieSpecialDiagnosticCancelId1234
2017-06-23 19:04:17	alanz	when we send it to the dispatcher?
2017-06-23 19:04:24	wz1000	Yes
2017-06-23 19:04:35	alanz	that sounds like stringly typing
2017-06-23 19:04:47	wz1000	So there is virtually no chance of clashes with real request ids
2017-06-23 19:04:59	alanz	which normally jumps out and bites eventually
2017-06-23 19:05:23	alanz	What about just adding a new field to the request, to keep the required info
2017-06-23 19:05:39	alanz	the request envelope, that is
2017-06-23 19:06:01	alanz	I don't have the source in front of me atm
2017-06-23 19:07:25	alanz	ok, opened it up. In the PluginRequest 
2017-06-23 19:07:30	alanz	make it something explicit
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2017-06-23 19:08:15	wz1000	alanz: why isn't RefacGhc an instance of GmState?
2017-06-23 19:08:55	alanz	I made the HaRe stuff first, then brought in ghc-mod
2017-06-23 19:09:10	alanz	and then the ghc-mod monad stack changed a number of times
2017-06-23 19:09:31	alanz	but if you want to rearrange that, be my guest
2017-06-23 19:09:37	wz1000	ok, I don't really need it, but it would be nice to have
2017-06-23 19:10:03	alanz	btw, dxld is talking about simplifying the transformer stack in future
2017-06-23 19:10:11	alanz	What does GmState provide?
2017-06-23 19:12:35	wz1000	getting and putting GhcModState
2017-06-23 19:13:24	alanz	which is one layer down, so should not really be of concern to HaRe, I would say
2017-06-23 19:13:56	alanz	And if HaRe does care it is just more evidence that the code needs to move into ghc-mod core
2017-06-23 19:18:52	--	Notice(GitHub81): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #250: Fixed findDef and makeRefactorResult to work with mapped files (master...master) https://git.io/vQmGh
2017-06-23 19:18:57	wz1000	alanz: ^
2017-06-23 19:19:01	wz1000	It should work now
2017-06-23 19:21:00	alanz	what is revMapp?
2017-06-23 19:22:10	wz1000	GhcMod makes a pure function to get the original filename back from the mapped file
2017-06-23 19:22:11	alanz	"should work". Did you try it?
2017-06-23 19:22:15	wz1000	Yeah
2017-06-23 19:22:38	alanz	ok, thought that was the case, it just doesn't have GM. in front
2017-06-23 19:23:24	wz1000	I call GM.mkRevRedirMapFunc
2017-06-23 19:23:28	wz1000	to get it
2017-06-23 19:23:49	wz1000	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/250/commits/837d32cc846dfbc6d6384225d827e872f042ba32#diff-6aa7ef3e19f5a59735d142109364f746R281
2017-06-23 19:24:00	alanz	ok, gotcha. Should actually read the code properly, I guess
2017-06-23 19:24:15	alanz	sorry
2017-06-23 19:24:23	alanz	I will merge it once it passes CI
2017-06-23 19:24:26	wz1000	I had to wrap it up in RefactGhc because of the missing instance
2017-06-23 19:24:34	alanz	ok
2017-06-23 19:24:58	alanz	In my mind we are busy with a two step process.
2017-06-23 19:25:11	alanz	1. make map files work properly everywhere
2017-06-23 19:25:19	alanz	2. Get the layering right
2017-06-23 19:25:45	alanz	And 2) will be easier as a refactoring, than as a start from scratch
2017-06-23 19:26:11	wz1000	I think with this, mapped files work everywhere
2017-06-23 19:26:30	alanz	I agree
2017-06-23 19:26:38	alanz	so we can start on step 2
2017-06-23 19:26:59	alanz	It's looking good, I must say
2017-06-23 19:27:09	wz1000	but try it out and check, just in case I missed something
2017-06-23 19:27:29	alanz	yes, will do. But a bit later, I have to change locations now
2017-06-23 19:27:38	alanz	my terrible 5 min commute
2017-06-23 19:27:52	wz1000	5 minutes doesn't sound terrible
2017-06-23 19:28:03	alanz	I am being sarcastic
2017-06-23 19:28:15	alanz	It *is* terrible from the podcast in the car experience
2017-06-23 19:28:20	alanz	:)
2017-06-23 19:28:45	wz1000	ah, sarcasm doesn't really translate well to text :)
2017-06-23 19:29:18	alanz	I know. We need a sarcasm marker of some kind.
2017-06-23 19:29:27	alanz	anyway, afk now
2017-06-23 19:29:42	wz1000	see you in 5 minutes :)
2017-06-23 19:47:14	wz1000	For cancelling diagnostics, I'm keeping track of the latest document version and not processing any diagnostics that are for previous versions
2017-06-23 20:37:33	--	Notice(GitHub106): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #250: Fixed findDef and makeRefactorResult to work with mapped files (master...master) https://git.io/vQmGh
2017-06-23 20:37:35	--	Notice(GitHub14): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vQmgy
2017-06-23 20:37:35	--	Notice(GitHub14): haskell-ide-engine/master 837d32c Zubin Duggal: Fixed findDef and makeRefactorResult to work with mapped files
2017-06-23 20:37:35	--	Notice(GitHub14): haskell-ide-engine/master e2e6b19 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #250 from wz1000/master...
2017-06-23 20:56:00	alanz	wz1000: turned into a long 15 mins. 
2017-06-23 20:56:27	alanz	I compiled it locally and tested, works as expected. Multiple renames, then find def on the renamed thing.
2017-06-23 21:22:25	--	Notice(GitHub62): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #251: Cancelling old diagnostic requests (master...cancel-diagnostics) https://git.io/vQm6u
2017-06-23 21:22:28	wz1000	alanz: ^
2017-06-23 21:23:24	wz1000	I also switched from MVar to TVar
2017-06-23 21:23:46	wz1000	the api and charecteristics are exactly what we need
2017-06-23 21:24:03	wz1000	*characteristics
2017-06-23 21:24:14	wz1000	No blocking, always has nothing, etc.
2017-06-23 21:24:58	wz1000	Plus, I changed some stuff to take advantage of the transactional guarantees STM provides.
2017-06-23 21:26:14	wz1000	s/nothing/something/
2017-06-23 21:27:16	wz1000	the arguments to dispatcherP and reactor have also been cleaned up a little
2017-06-23 21:33:27	wz1000	oops, circleci failed
2017-06-23 21:35:20	alanz	ok, sounds good. Will look in a bit, tied up atm. Family zone
2017-06-23 21:55:24	wz1000	CI should be fixed now
2017-06-23 22:35:42	arrowsvc	So, due to Url, all paths passed to HIE should be absolute now?
2017-06-23 22:37:21	wz1000	arrowsvc: I don't think so. I just make them absolute when vscode starts complaining.
2017-06-23 22:55:44	alanz	wz1000: Tools like HaRe and ghc-mod make them absolute. We can expect them to be either absolute or relative to the project root
2017-06-23 22:56:32	arrowsvc	So, file://. is OK?
2017-06-23 22:56:45	alanz	I think that is what the emacs-lsp client does
2017-06-23 22:56:55	alanz	But then it means wrt the project root
2017-06-23 22:57:04	alanz	If in doubt, send the full path
2017-06-23 22:57:08	wz1000	I think vscode needs the ./
2017-06-23 22:57:36	alanz	well, file:///. would mean the root filesystem
2017-06-23 22:57:44	alanz	With only 2 slashes it means relative
2017-06-23 22:57:48	wz1000	for example, file://src/Lib.hs won't work, but file://./src/Lib.hs would
2017-06-23 22:58:12	arrowsvc	Ok then.
2017-06-23 22:58:14	alanz	I would call that a bug, myself
2017-06-23 22:58:33	wz1000	I'm not sure, but I encountered something like this. I made everything absolute and it worked.
2017-06-23 22:58:36	alanz	but we have to go with what the clients interpret, at the end of the day
2017-06-23 22:58:47	alanz	that is the best policy
2017-06-23 23:04:03	arrowsvc	How to handle optional parameters?
2017-06-23 23:04:21	arrowsvc	Currently I'm using SRequired for everything and then manually dispatch.
2017-06-23 23:05:12	alanz	I think they come through to the plugin command as a Maybe. But could be wrong
2017-06-23 23:05:20	alanz	Look at the tests
2017-06-23 23:06:22	arrowsvc	Now the problem is that you can't in general configure stack projects without building them.
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2017-06-24 00:19:29	--	Notice(GitHub101): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #251: Cancelling old diagnostic requests (master...cancel-diagnostics) https://git.io/vQm6u
2017-06-24 00:19:29	--	Notice(GitHub175): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vQYvX
2017-06-24 00:19:29	--	Notice(GitHub175): haskell-ide-engine/master c9eabb6 Zubin Duggal: Cancelling old diagnostic requests
2017-06-24 00:19:29	--	Notice(GitHub175): haskell-ide-engine/master 4b7ad38 Zubin Duggal: Testing new dispatcher behaviour
2017-06-24 00:19:29	--	Notice(GitHub175): haskell-ide-engine/master b023348 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #251 from wz1000/cancel-diagnostics...
2017-06-24 00:27:46	wz1000	The dispatcher has become pretty complicated now.
2017-06-24 00:28:16	wz1000	we still need to add support for async commands. 
2017-06-24 00:28:46	wz1000	we can pass the callback as a continuation for those.
2017-06-24 00:28:53	alanz	yes
2017-06-24 02:44:32	arrowsvc	And what's caba.project file?
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2017-06-24 12:56:17	wz1000	alanz: where is gfromJust defined?
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2017-06-24 13:59:13	wz1000	alanz: ping
2017-06-24 13:59:22	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/HaRe/commit/57af6694f80faf3303ec73a7a5444bc1c3990beb
2017-06-24 13:59:50	wz1000	I managed to eliminate TypecheckedModule in HaRe using some pretty horrible hacks
2017-06-24 14:00:33	wz1000	look at the diff for Language.Haskell.Refact.Utils.Utils
2017-06-24 14:04:07	wz1000	but the tests do pass
2017-06-24 14:14:49	alanz	wz1000: ok, will take a look
2017-06-24 14:22:32	alanz	Looks good.  We could possibly still cache the fileNameUnmapped, rather than doing another ghc-mod call, but probably not worth it
2017-06-24 14:24:46	wz1000	alanz: Why did you remove the second attempt at getting the typechecked module in loadFromModSummary?
2017-06-24 14:25:40	alanz	because it was masking deficiencies in the process through ghc-mod
2017-06-24 14:25:45	alanz	It was a hack
2017-06-24 14:27:07	alanz	So loadFromModsummary is no lnger properly named, it is just the next step
2017-06-24 14:27:20	alanz	and cannot really be called on its own.
2017-06-24 14:27:45	alanz	It should no longer take a Maybe Typechecked module (or whatever it is)
2017-06-24 14:28:15	wz1000	When I use hie with vscode, I keep getting that error you put there. 
2017-06-24 14:28:22	wz1000	The request still succeeds though
2017-06-24 14:28:33	alanz	with your branch?
2017-06-24 14:28:47	alanz	and my updates to ghc-mod to sort out the map file stuff?
2017-06-24 14:28:58	wz1000	no, the one from the PR you accepted yesterday
2017-06-24 14:29:04	wz1000	try find definition
2017-06-24 14:29:12	alanz	which is based on what I did, iirc
2017-06-24 14:29:15	wz1000	haskell/hie:master
2017-06-24 14:29:43	wz1000	Ok, I checked the logs, and it seems like vscode makes two find definition requests
2017-06-24 14:29:44	alanz	ok, just getting my context started up, as the first coffee does its magic\
2017-06-24 14:30:44	wz1000	the first one succeeds, and the second one fails with loadFromModSummary: TypecheckedModule not provided
2017-06-24 14:31:55	alanz	ok, that is because it is not using the reload mechanism
2017-06-24 14:32:25	wz1000	reload mechanism?
2017-06-24 14:32:38	alanz	does the definition request go through HaRe?
2017-06-24 14:32:45	wz1000	yes
2017-06-24 14:32:56	wz1000	well, not exactly.
2017-06-24 14:33:01	alanz	reload mechanism is the hscFrontendHook stuff
2017-06-24 14:33:09	wz1000	It uses parseSourceFile and the HaRe api
2017-06-24 14:33:32	alanz	where does parseSourceFile come from?
2017-06-24 14:33:39	wz1000	parseSourceFileGhc
2017-06-24 14:34:00	wz1000	from Hare
2017-06-24 14:34:01	alanz	ok, let me take a look. Just getting your branch into my local tree
2017-06-24 14:34:24	wz1000	you dont need my branch
2017-06-24 14:34:32	wz1000	haskell/hie:master should work
2017-06-24 14:36:15	alanz	I'm talking about in HaRe.
2017-06-24 14:36:41	alanz	And I need to get my local hie repo set up and built too, hold on
2017-06-24 14:36:51	wz1000	You don't need my HaRe branch for that either
2017-06-24 14:37:04	alanz	Making sure the work is in the right context each time is a bit of admin
2017-06-24 14:37:16	alanz	I know, but I want to get up to standard anyway
2017-06-24 14:37:29	alanz	Otherwise I forget, make changes and end up with a mess
2017-06-24 14:39:48	wz1000	btw, we can get rid of the HareHsc hack by a small change to the ghc api
2017-06-24 14:40:44	alanz	well, it works.
2017-06-24 14:41:05	alanz	And we will need it for the GHC 7.10, 8.0, 8.2
2017-06-24 14:41:38	alanz	But may as well make a change, we will get the benefit eventually
2017-06-24 14:41:48	alanz	What needs to happen? more exports?
2017-06-24 14:42:32	wz1000	a variant of parsedModule and typecheckedModule that don't have the GhcMonad constraint and take HscEnv as an arg
2017-06-24 14:42:45	alanz	gcatch = undefined is a bit scary
2017-06-24 14:42:50	wz1000	Or- exposing the ModuleInfo constructor
2017-06-24 14:43:07	alanz	maybe do both
2017-06-24 14:43:17	wz1000	yeah, I think I could implement gcatch and gmask
2017-06-24 14:43:39	alanz	My goal is to make the API more useful for tool writers over time, and we have the experience.
2017-06-24 14:44:09	alanz	gcatch and gmask as the kinds of things that can lead to all sorts of grief down the line.
2017-06-24 14:44:28	alanz	But I managed to have the hook run without that hack, so what is the problem?
2017-06-24 14:44:29	wz1000	But I checked the source for parsedModule and typecheckedModule, and they don't use ExceptionMonad at all(not even the function calls in them have that constraint - they are all MonadIO)
2017-06-24 14:44:43	alanz	*currently*
2017-06-24 14:44:52	alanz	Laying a landmine for future us
2017-06-24 14:45:39	wz1000	The problem is that the ModuleInfo constructor is not exportted
2017-06-24 14:45:45	wz1000	there is no way to make one
2017-06-24 14:45:53	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/HaRe/commit/57af6694f80faf3303ec73a7a5444bc1c3990beb#diff-d28ab2b5389414cbc3cb271388e91d6aR251
2017-06-24 14:46:13	wz1000	Only typecheckModule and stuff inside GHC can make it
2017-06-24 14:46:21	alanz	Ok, I recall bumping my head against that, which lead to my private type
2017-06-24 14:47:53	wz1000	but that problem is bigger than hare- it means there is no safe, supported way to get a TypecheckedModule via hscFrontendHook
2017-06-24 14:48:04	alanz	btw, the fpco ide-backend made extensive use of GHC hooks too, if you want to take a look for inspiration
2017-06-24 14:48:32	alanz	wz1000: definitely calls for a GHC patch then
2017-06-24 14:50:24	wz1000	alanz: does ghc make another typecheckedModule after the hscFrontendHook runs?
2017-06-24 14:51:05	alanz	not as far as I know. It proceeds to desugar it to core, then do the rest of the pipeline
2017-06-24 14:51:48	wz1000	Then how does it get the TypecheckedModule for itself? Or is TypecheckedModule only for api users?
2017-06-24 14:51:50	alanz	And I think I know what the findDef problem is, just need to confirm it. The hook IORef is cached inside ghc-mod, we must always use the same one from hie
2017-06-24 14:52:57	alanz	So by setting it to Nothing in the HaRePlugin, we force a new one in HaRe, which is cached in the ghc-mod session. So when we pass the second new one in, ghc-mod is still using the old one
2017-06-24 14:53:19	alanz	Which is why the IORef is stored in state. In the current version.
2017-06-24 14:53:43	alanz	So, it gives us an opportunity to use the PluginState that hie provides
2017-06-24 14:54:21	alanz	Although, the ghc-mod ioref should belong to hie as a whole, to be used by any plugin that requires it
2017-06-24 14:54:51	alanz	Which means the guts of parseSourceFileGhc should move to ghc-mod
2017-06-24 15:01:05	wz1000	interestingly, the findDef problem only happens when going to definition in the same file
2017-06-24 15:02:41	alanz	yes, because it only happens when ghc-mod reuses the session
2017-06-24 15:03:05	alanz	because then the IORef used in ghc-mod is different from the (fresh) one in hie
2017-06-24 15:03:22	alanz	rsHookIORef
2017-06-24 15:03:57	alanz	If you turn on logging for hie (via changing the comments in MainApp), you will see the session reuse
2017-06-24 15:04:10	wz1000	How is it cached in ghc-mod?
2017-06-24 15:04:33	alanz	ghc-mod caches the whole GHC session, in its own ioref
2017-06-24 15:04:48	alanz	But that includes the hook IORef.
2017-06-24 15:05:07	 *	alanz thinking, we update the hook every time, regardless. Hmm.
2017-06-24 15:05:19	wz1000	but it is in the RefactGhc state, how is that visible to ghc-mod?
2017-06-24 15:06:11	alanz	setTarget in HaRe parseSourceFileGhc uses it
2017-06-24 15:06:45	alanz	and now that there is an updateHook function passed to ghc-mod every time, we can in fact use a fresh IORef each time.
2017-06-24 15:07:22	alanz	This is the problem with debugging to a solution, need to clean up the wreckage once done
2017-06-24 15:08:08	alanz	Because the last change that I did, to get it to work for the tests I did, was to always set the hook function, which has the IORef baked in.
2017-06-24 15:08:17	alanz	So ghc-mod session caching should not affect it.
2017-06-24 15:08:19	alanz	Damn.
2017-06-24 15:08:51	alanz	Do you want to make a PR for your HaRe branch onto mine, or should I just merge it?
2017-06-24 15:09:07	alanz	Or do you want to get rid of the rsHookIORef in HaRe state?
2017-06-24 15:10:22	wz1000	I don't really understand the rsHook stuff yet, so it would be better if you handle it.
2017-06-24 15:11:31	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/blob/eqdynflags-3/core/GhcMod/Target.hs#L211
2017-06-24 15:11:36	alanz	ok, no problem
2017-06-24 15:12:07	alanz	Main thing is that the line I just pasted updates the dynflags to use the hook function we pass in, every time
2017-06-24 15:12:21	alanz	So my theory about the findDef bug is wrong
2017-06-24 15:12:54	wz1000	should I make a PR for HaRe
2017-06-24 15:12:55	wz1000	?
2017-06-24 15:13:27	alanz	against my map file branch, yes
2017-06-24 15:13:49	alanz	otherwise I can just merge it, same end result
2017-06-24 15:14:21	wz1000	ok, go ahead
2017-06-24 15:14:36	alanz	ok, will do
2017-06-24 15:15:03	alanz	done
2017-06-24 15:15:14	alanz	and pushed
2017-06-24 15:15:55	wz1000	I was thinking of rewriting findDef anyway. It is too slow, even if we use caching(which will be invalidated on any change)
2017-06-24 15:17:34	alanz	well, if the typchecked module is in the local cache it should be fast
2017-06-24 15:18:06	alanz	Because the largest chunk of work is the ghc compilatin process
2017-06-24 15:18:18	alanz	Which I checked when trying to speed up the HaRe tests
2017-06-24 15:18:36	wz1000	It takes some 10s on my machine.
2017-06-24 15:18:58	alanz	yes, because atm only the GHC session is cached, not the TypeCheckedModule
2017-06-24 15:19:10	alanz	And producing the Module takes time.
2017-06-24 15:19:18	wz1000	yes, but the cache will be invalidated by even the smallest change
2017-06-24 15:19:29	alanz	true.
2017-06-24 15:19:47	alanz	Which is where my incremental parsing etc will come into the pickture
2017-06-24 15:19:50	alanz	pickture
2017-06-24 15:20:15	alanz	What Intero does (I believe) is to keep the prior one, and give initial answers against that
2017-06-24 15:20:38	alanz	On the assumption that most things don't change when you are editing somewhere
2017-06-24 15:21:21	alanz	so once we have caching machinery, we can enable strategies like that too. Cache against a version, have a "getFast", "getPrecise" API
2017-06-24 15:21:34	wz1000	hmm. We do need to do that for type information etc. too
2017-06-24 15:21:36	alanz	and use the getFast for queries
2017-06-24 15:21:41	alanz	exactly
2017-06-24 15:22:15	alanz	Which means that async commands start getting important
2017-06-24 15:22:42	alanz	Because getFast can be async, or even processed directly in the LspTransport reactor
2017-06-24 15:22:49	wz1000	Ok, we can also keep track of how positions in the edited document correspond to the original.
2017-06-24 15:23:03	alanz	yes,as a future optimisation
2017-06-24 15:23:14	wz1000	so I'm thinking about the flow.
2017-06-24 15:23:26	wz1000	We trigger a recompile on documentChange
2017-06-24 15:23:30	alanz	I would propose first getting caching into place, then optimising it
2017-06-24 15:23:42	alanz	yes.
2017-06-24 15:23:56	wz1000	which stores the most recent, good, typechecked Module
2017-06-24 15:24:01	alanz	yes
2017-06-24 15:24:12	wz1000	and we get all other info based on that
2017-06-24 15:24:30	alanz	And, we may store separate versions for last successful rename, last successful typecheck
2017-06-24 15:24:36	alanz	yes
2017-06-24 15:24:57	alanz	An edit in progress may rename ok, but not typecheck. 
2017-06-24 15:25:08	alanz	So we could answer symbol refs on the renamed
2017-06-24 15:25:11	alanz	perhaps
2017-06-24 15:25:22	wz1000	but diagnostics would be independent from this
2017-06-24 15:25:27	alanz	yes
2017-06-24 15:25:48	alanz	well, they would come out as part of the reload process, as a byproduct
2017-06-24 15:26:22	alanz	i.e. we would abandon the current ghc-mod one, against moving the relevant parts into our "load into the cache" thing
2017-06-24 15:26:29	alanz	No point doing it twice
2017-06-24 15:26:34	wz1000	ok
2017-06-24 15:26:57	alanz	because the biggest bottleneck is ghc compilation, need to do it once only per change
2017-06-24 15:27:58	 *	alanz needs to be afk for an hour
2017-06-24 15:28:22	alanz	you ok to carry on? anything else we need to discuss now?
2017-06-24 15:29:51	wz1000	yeah, i'm good
2017-06-24 15:30:29	wz1000	right now I'll try to add the caching to hie. We can move it into ghc-mod later on
2017-06-24 16:08:47	wz1000	alanz: why do you need the module graph in parseSourceFileGhc?
2017-06-24 16:08:51	alanz	wz1000: FYI, providing a fresh IORef in HaRe each time reproduces the findDef error. So my mod to set the hook in ghc-mod is not being effective :(
2017-06-24 16:08:51	wz1000	https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/blob/mapped-files/src/Language/Haskell/Refact/Utils/Utils.hs#L154
2017-06-24 16:09:28	alanz	well, to get the modsummary, to load from it. But I suspect it is no longer needed :)
2017-06-24 16:10:02	alanz	Wait, we need it to set the interactive context.
2017-06-24 16:10:22	wz1000	we can get it from the typechecked module
2017-06-24 16:10:28	alanz	Else the queries that make use of ghci api calls won't work
2017-06-24 16:10:37	alanz	can we?
2017-06-24 16:10:45	wz1000	the modsummary
2017-06-24 16:11:07	alanz	ok, great
2017-06-24 16:11:12	alanz	Less work to do
2017-06-24 16:11:24	alanz	I am working on that HaRe stuff atm.
2017-06-24 16:11:42	alanz	And it looks like I need to relook at setting up the hook in ghc-mod
2017-06-24 16:12:05	alanz	Suspect it needs to be updated in the modsummary dynflags
2017-06-24 16:12:32	alanz	which is what I am going to do now
2017-06-24 16:16:22	wz1000	ok, tell me when you are done. I need to hack on the same bit of HaRe(parseSourceFileGhc) and don't want to deal with hairy merge conflicts.
2017-06-24 16:16:56	alanz	Ok, I will push what I have, the tests fail, but it is because of ghc-mod
2017-06-24 16:17:28	wz1000	I have enough to do right now, can get to that later
2017-06-24 16:19:57	alanz	just pushed
2017-06-24 16:20:16	alanz	and will start on ghc-mod, but will then be afk for a while
2017-06-24 16:20:42	alanz	so you are welcome to continue with HaRe, when it suits you
2017-06-24 16:21:27	alanz	And we will not be able to merge the mapped-files branch until a new ghc-mod release.
2017-06-24 16:21:35	alanz	But at least hie builds from git
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2017-06-24 18:47:14	alanz	wz1000: I just realised that the hooks to use are stored in the DynFlags, which in turn come from the modsummary.
2017-06-24 18:47:30	alanz	So they are not being cached in the ghc session as such
2017-06-24 18:47:53	alanz	Which means they will now be updated as part of the ForceRecomp setting
2017-06-24 18:48:12	alanz	which in turn means the hook will only ever be activated for files we care about
2017-06-24 18:48:22	alanz	which can simplify the hook in HaRe. :)
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2017-06-24 19:16:32	alanz	wz1000: we can also simplify the contents of the HookIORef
2017-06-24 19:17:42	alanz	and see https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/commit/06132fcaeac42ccc7f179ad4b041182ff2881c41
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2017-06-24 20:33:21	alanz	wz1000: one more simple problem to solve in ghc-mod, related to reloading when TH, which tosses the modulegraph
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2017-06-24 22:26:54	wz1000	alanz: nice. 
2017-06-24 22:27:02	wz1000	Did that fix the issue?
2017-06-24 22:39:50	alanz	the finddef works multiple times, have not looked at the TH thing, but I know what to do. Will get to it tomorrow
2017-06-24 22:41:34	wz1000	ok
2017-06-24 22:45:46	wz1000	alanz: which branch of ghcmod is the latest hare building against?
2017-06-24 22:46:50	alanz	my force-pushed eqdynflags3
2017-06-24 22:47:16	alanz	Which is what hie is using too
2017-06-24 22:47:24	wz1000	this? https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/commit/95815cdd48943c52684e821471e569d09d723d2d
2017-06-24 22:47:58	alanz	look at the stack.yml in my hie/wip branch. That is my current state
2017-06-24 22:48:56	wz1000	ok, got it
2017-06-24 22:49:08	alanz	And I always use the network view to check things: https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/network
2017-06-24 22:49:29	alanz	It is https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/commit/86ca8bc766556df2a64ae062e4489714249bbd7c
2017-06-24 22:50:15	wz1000	how do you build hare usually? new-build?
2017-06-24 22:50:38	alanz	tbh I use cabal build
2017-06-24 22:50:51	alanz	but I first cabal install the current ghc-mod
2017-06-24 22:51:17	alanz	so I check out ghc-mod, to the branch I am on, ghc-pkg unregister ghc-mod, cabal install
2017-06-24 22:51:36	alanz	then cabal clean && cabal configuree --enable-tests && cabal build for HaRe
2017-06-24 22:53:01	wz1000	what is the fps thing in the ioref?
2017-06-24 22:54:25	alanz	I was using it to debug, it prints a list of all the files seen
2017-06-24 22:55:02	alanz	so I could work out if the hook was being triggered or not
2017-06-24 22:56:05	alanz	you can remove it, as you rework.
2017-06-24 22:56:54	wz1000	an cn/cfilname?
2017-06-24 22:57:09	wz1000	*and
2017-06-24 22:57:25	wz1000	that is also unused, as far as I can tell
2017-06-24 22:58:26	alanz	it used to go into the unmappedfile field of the HaRe.TypecheckedModule.
2017-06-24 22:58:33	alanz	So is not longer used
2017-06-24 23:07:39	alanz	wz1000: also, when you run tests you can do ...../spec --match "thing to be grep-matched against test names"
2017-06-24 23:07:43	alanz	to speed things up
2017-06-24 23:07:51	alanz	And/or do that in ghci
2017-06-24 23:08:25	wz1000	what do you mean?
2017-06-24 23:09:36	alanz	if you load say test/UtilsSpec.hs in ghci
2017-06-24 23:10:12	alanz	you can then do > :main --match "loads the same file more than once" 
2017-06-24 23:10:20	alanz	And it will run only that test
2017-06-24 23:10:38	alanz	ditto for invoking the test from the command line
2017-06-24 23:12:01	alanz	So $ ./dist/build/spec/spec --match "loads the same file more than once" 
2017-06-24 23:12:09	alanz	will run that test only
2017-06-24 23:12:12	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/HaRe/commit/b086b21f5007aa8aaa8abc827a4577d5e77b0ee5
2017-06-24 23:12:25	wz1000	ah, cool
2017-06-24 23:13:20	alanz	what are you planning on doing with that function?
2017-06-24 23:13:38	alanz	because I get a bad feeling about having both
2017-06-24 23:13:44	wz1000	I'm using it in hie to lead the typechecked module
2017-06-24 23:13:54	alanz	Unless you route the original through it, and give them decent names
2017-06-24 23:14:03	wz1000	Yeah, the original uses it
2017-06-24 23:14:41	wz1000	getTypecheckedModuleGhc?
2017-06-24 23:14:57	alanz	ok, I see now. You did them in the opposite order that I would have, np
2017-06-24 23:15:04	alanz	sounds fine
2017-06-24 23:15:07	alanz	the name
2017-06-24 23:16:16	wz1000	I removed the module graph stuff
2017-06-24 23:16:24	wz1000	tests seem to work fine
2017-06-24 23:16:41	alanz	well, as you pointed out, it is already available
2017-06-24 23:16:58	alanz	hence all that hoop jumping is unnecessary
2017-06-24 23:17:46	alanz	btw, you can adjust the ghc-mod log level used in the tests here: https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/blob/master/test/TestUtils.hs#L223
2017-06-24 23:18:30	alanz	And per test, you can use either initialState or initialLogOnState if you want to toggle the HaRe logging, via logm
2017-06-24 23:18:59	wz1000	it has a **lot** of tests
2017-06-24 23:19:08	alanz	yes, has to
2017-06-24 23:19:18	alanz	Saved my bacon many a time
2017-06-24 23:19:20	alanz	:)
2017-06-24 23:19:40	alanz	hence being able to run a subset is vital
2017-06-24 23:19:46	alanz	when doing dev
2017-06-24 23:19:57	wz1000	yeah, i saw the failure for the TH test
2017-06-24 23:20:01	alanz	So I find the ghci cycle can be pretty fast
2017-06-24 23:20:15	wz1000	finds free vars in TH files FAILED [1]
2017-06-24 23:20:17	alanz	don't worry about it, I will sort it out
2017-06-24 23:20:22	alanz	thats the one.
2017-06-24 23:21:20	alanz	Related to this, I think: https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/blob/eqdynflags-3/core/GhcMod/Target.hs#L515
2017-06-24 23:24:12	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/pull/47
2017-06-24 23:25:02	alanz	Do your tests pass locally, bar the known one? because the tests time out on travis atm
2017-06-24 23:25:07	wz1000	yeah
2017-06-24 23:25:22	wz1000	they do for the first commit atleast
2017-06-24 23:25:30	wz1000	and the second compiles
2017-06-24 23:26:10	alanz	ok, I will merge so long
2017-06-24 23:27:03	alanz	done
2017-06-24 23:27:40	wz1000	this will move into ghc-mod eventually
2017-06-24 23:27:41	wz1000	?
2017-06-24 23:28:20	alanz	yes
2017-06-24 23:28:33	alanz	together with the caching of the typecheckedmodule
2017-06-24 23:28:50	alanz	but lets get the mechanics of it working as a first step
2017-06-24 23:58:08	alanz	wz1000: see https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/commit/d16c9d21021c26e8ee6f158bb470b1727d2e496c, sorted it out. Over to you now
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2017-06-25 13:05:13	wz1000	alanz: IdeM isn't GhcMonad?
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2017-06-25 13:15:13	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/418f013ad6d17e00e5918a30515539e2809434f6
2017-06-25 13:15:21	wz1000	http://lpaste.net/356459
2017-06-25 13:15:39	wz1000	ghcmod uses runGmlt'.
2017-06-25 13:15:46	wz1000	But I don't want to recompile the file
2017-06-25 13:16:00	wz1000	https://www.stackage.org/haddock/nightly-2017-06-14/ghc-mod-5.8.0.0/src/GhcMod.Exe.Info.html#types
2017-06-25 13:17:09	wz1000	But if I don't set the target, will collectSpansTypes work properly?
2017-06-25 13:23:40	wz1000	my network is very flaky today. getting pings of ~20s
2017-06-25 13:49:01	alanz	wz1000: morning
2017-06-25 13:50:06	alanz	wz1000: you need to do a bit of newtype wrapping to get to the GhcMonad.
2017-06-25 13:50:22	alanz	Perhaps we should expose it in IdeM.
2017-06-25 13:50:28	alanz	starting to look
2017-06-25 13:53:07	wz1000	morning.
2017-06-25 13:53:18	wz1000	I've made several commits
2017-06-25 13:53:50	wz1000	getting the basic caching architecture into place
2017-06-25 13:54:16	wz1000	Now we just have to rewrite the plugin commands to use the cached module
2017-06-25 13:58:27	alanz	great
2017-06-25 13:59:21	wz1000	did you see this one? https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/55992d0b5803b21a35a484c2f0eafad5c5470cd9
2017-06-25 14:00:01	alanz	what does newPosToOld and oldPosToNew do?
2017-06-25 14:00:39	wz1000	corelates between the positions in the current document and the one we have the typechecked module for
2017-06-25 14:00:54	alanz	using all the changes we have stored?
2017-06-25 14:00:59	alanz	interesting
2017-06-25 14:01:16	wz1000	yeah. Take a look at updatePositionMap
2017-06-25 14:01:41	alanz	Just looking now
2017-06-25 14:01:46	wz1000	I'm still haven't put in a call to it now
2017-06-25 14:01:51	wz1000	*yet
2017-06-25 14:02:12	alanz	Come to think of it, emacs does something like that, when you are working through an error list and editing as you go
2017-06-25 14:02:42	wz1000	yeah, I think so.
2017-06-25 14:03:03	alanz	But that is the kind of stuff we must put in a separate module and run some liquidhaskell over it. And/or quickcheck tests
2017-06-25 14:03:13	wz1000	The problem is that TextDocumentContentChangeEvent isn't specified very well.
2017-06-25 14:03:47	wz1000	It can change the entire document at one, in which case our position thing is const Nothing
2017-06-25 14:04:05	wz1000	If we base it of a diff instead of what the editor reports, it will work better
2017-06-25 14:04:41	wz1000	and across clients that don't support incremental change reporting
2017-06-25 14:05:41	alanz	yes, if it is not incremental then there is a problem.
2017-06-25 14:05:54	alanz	But, if we don't know the changes we can't do the update
2017-06-25 14:06:06	wz1000	we can do a diff
2017-06-25 14:06:13	alanz	I guess one option is to do a diff, but that can get out of hand very quickly
2017-06-25 14:06:18	alanz	for big changes
2017-06-25 14:06:33	wz1000	why?
2017-06-25 14:06:47	alanz	I know I screwed up some tests in HaRe once, and was diffing the wrong thing
2017-06-25 14:06:53	alanz	exponential running time
2017-06-25 14:06:59	alanz	slows down to a crawl
2017-06-25 14:07:34	wz1000	ah
2017-06-25 14:07:53	wz1000	But I think it is supposed to report the changes every few seconds or show
2017-06-25 14:07:56	wz1000	*so
2017-06-25 14:07:59	alanz	perhaps we should only enable this for incremental changes
2017-06-25 14:08:29	alanz	oh, you mean the changed event, without the diff?
2017-06-25 14:08:45	alanz	yes, that one we could diff, I guess
2017-06-25 14:09:01	alanz	do our own diff, I mean
2017-06-25 14:09:14	wz1000	diff between the new vfs file and the old one
2017-06-25 14:09:16	alanz	But I would leave that as a optimisation
2017-06-25 14:09:21	alanz	yes
2017-06-25 14:09:41	alanz	or as you choose, as you are working on it now
2017-06-25 14:10:59	wz1000	did you take a look at the problem I'm having with typeAt?
2017-06-25 14:16:17	alanz	I started rummaging around. The problem is ghcmonad?
2017-06-25 14:16:54	alanz	Is the code on github up to date? I will take a look if so
2017-06-25 14:18:38	wz1000	yeah
2017-06-25 14:18:44	wz1000	it doesn't compile
2017-06-25 14:18:53	wz1000	because the the ghcmonad issue
2017-06-25 14:19:38	alanz	What HaRe version are you using? 243f?
2017-06-25 14:20:44	wz1000	a69
2017-06-25 14:20:50	wz1000	I merged your wip branch
2017-06-25 14:21:24	alanz	ok, this shows https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/55992d0b5803b21a35a484c2f0eafad5c5470cd9
2017-06-25 14:21:45	alanz	something different, but seems to be an alias for the same diff.
2017-06-25 14:21:47	alanz	weird
2017-06-25 14:21:56	wz1000	That is an earlier commit
2017-06-25 14:22:05	wz1000	I merged your wip twice
2017-06-25 14:22:22	wz1000	the latest one uses a691
2017-06-25 14:22:46	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/d53bf47049ea935285d8f45c3c9fd0ea6cfe0ca6
2017-06-25 14:23:07	alanz	ok
2017-06-25 14:25:29	alanz	we end up in the GhcMonad inside runHareCommand, if you recall
2017-06-25 14:27:08	wz1000	yeah. So I can run in inside ApplyRefact and it will work?
2017-06-25 14:27:24	alanz	should do
2017-06-25 14:27:43	alanz	OR, look at what hoops we jump through to get there
2017-06-25 14:28:23	alanz	One of the things we need to rework some time is what exactly the state of HIE/IdeM is, at any given time
2017-06-25 14:29:02	alanz	For example, I think the current cabal file/component define a ghc-mod session
2017-06-25 14:29:15	alanz	Which gets cached in ghc-mod, I think
2017-06-25 14:29:49	alanz	And in turn that defines what it means for the GhcMonad, which basically means you can be in a session
2017-06-25 14:30:13	alanz	So either we expose the session in IdeM, but you can't be sure what it relates to
2017-06-25 14:30:49	alanz	Or we do that, but also store the target that we loaded to get the session in the first place (which is indirectly the TypeCheckedModuleCache)
2017-06-25 14:31:16	alanz	Or we take the approach of GhcMod.Target, where the action passed in runs in the session
2017-06-25 14:31:27	alanz	if any of that makes sense
2017-06-25 14:36:27	alanz	BTW, the first thing that runHaReCommand does is to pull out the underlying GmlT function, which is what we would use in the ghc-mod plugin
2017-06-25 14:36:50	alanz	And perhaps move up into the monad services for IdeM, somewhere along the line
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2017-06-25 15:11:30	wz1000	alanz: it works! https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/2bace1d38493fab597d89f2b88a335279964d538
2017-06-25 15:11:51	wz1000	hover req is noticeably faster now
2017-06-25 15:14:32	wz1000	but the types reported are now fully qualified. Including the packagename/version
2017-06-25 15:15:59	alanz	great. Kill one problem at a time
2017-06-25 15:16:13	alanz	I guess we need some kind of scope-specific pretty printer
2017-06-25 15:16:54	wz1000	plus, hover req now works when the module doesn't compile
2017-06-25 15:18:16	wz1000	I haven't put in the position management stuff yet, so it still works on the old positions
2017-06-25 15:19:03	alanz	ok, but good progress
2017-06-25 15:21:24	wz1000	you think I should change it to only reporting one type?
2017-06-25 15:22:44	alanz	I was just looking. If I have "bb = if True then 5 else 6", and hover over True, it reports Bool, Int, Int
2017-06-25 15:22:51	alanz	which is crazy
2017-06-25 15:23:03	alanz	At the very least we must filter out duplicates
2017-06-25 15:23:29	alanz	I would just report the one with the smallest span
2017-06-25 15:23:38	wz1000	which is the first one
2017-06-25 15:24:16	wz1000	it is (True :: Bool), (if ... :: Int), (bb ::: Int)
2017-06-25 15:24:20	alanz	I wonder if we should add the span to the others, as part of the test
2017-06-25 15:24:38	alanz	or even the fragment of code
2017-06-25 15:24:41	wz1000	what do you mean?
2017-06-25 15:25:34	alanz	like you just did "(True :: Bool), (if ... :: Int), (bb ::: Int)"
2017-06-25 15:26:14	wz1000	It would get too crowded. There is too much information in the tiny popup as it is.
2017-06-25 15:26:23	alanz	but if it gets too long show the start and end, with dots in the middle
2017-06-25 15:26:34	alanz	just an idea, else just the first one
2017-06-25 15:26:37	wz1000	that could work
2017-06-25 15:27:47	alanz	If I have "foo :: Int\nfoo = 5"
2017-06-25 15:28:05	alanz	Then hovering over the signature does not give anything
2017-06-25 15:28:22	wz1000	It isn't supposed to.
2017-06-25 15:28:34	wz1000	We can use it to hoogle lookup docs etc.
2017-06-25 15:28:40	wz1000	But it shouldn't do anything yet
2017-06-25 15:29:05	wz1000	Try adding garbage to the end of the file. Hover should still work perfectly
2017-06-25 15:29:09	alanz	ok
2017-06-25 15:29:43	alanz	yes indeed. Awesome
2017-06-25 15:30:18	wz1000	now I need to figure out some way to get setTypecheckedModule to report diagnostics
2017-06-25 15:32:20	alanz	Well, take a look at the ghc-mod comand for doing that. It just calls the Target thing that we are using too, but with the right surrounding stuff to pull out the warnings afterward
2017-06-25 15:32:27	alanz	So it should be trivial
2017-06-25 15:33:30	wz1000	hmm. I would have to change the hare function for that.
2017-06-25 15:33:47	alanz	fair enough
2017-06-25 15:34:25	alanz	Make it return the warnings too, if you like. We can always ignore them in HaRe
2017-06-25 15:37:03	 *	alanz afk for a bit
2017-06-25 16:02:07	wz1000	alanz: I think we will have to make it a Map Uri CachedModule instead of Maybe (Uri, CachedModule)
2017-06-25 16:04:57	wz1000	If you open two files, then switch from one to the other, it won't show hovers for that file until you edit it
2017-06-25 16:05:24	wz1000	vscode doesn't send us a notification when the user switches buffers
2017-06-25 16:05:49	wz1000	so we have to keep typechecked modules for all open buffers.
2017-06-25 16:32:56	alanz	yes, I gree
2017-06-25 16:38:52	wz1000	haskell sometimes sucks at error handling. Dealing with nested eithers, maybes, IdeResponses altogther is a nightmare
2017-06-25 16:40:09	wz1000	and since it is running in IO, it can also throw an exception at any time
2017-06-25 16:41:55	alanz	yes
2017-06-25 16:42:38	alanz	Did you see that Michael Snoyman article on how he does it? All in a single transformer. Forget the details though
2017-06-25 16:43:04	alanz	Real world vs "what it should be"
2017-06-25 16:44:03	alanz	Except we are integrating pieces, so have to accept what is there, to a large extent
2017-06-25 16:44:46	wz1000	yeah. I think he doesn't use adts for errors, just throws an exception
2017-06-25 16:47:51	alanz	something like that. And stores global state in an IORef, instead of having RWS 
2017-06-25 16:52:24	wz1000	I don't really like that tbh. explicitly pattern matching on adts means you consider all(or most) of the cases.
2017-06-25 16:52:28	wz1000	But it is also a pain
2017-06-25 16:52:43	wz1000	guess I want to have my cake and eat it too
2017-06-25 16:53:00	alanz	I don't like it either
2017-06-25 16:53:21	alanz	And also prefer explicit matching, with compiler telling me where to change things
2017-06-25 16:53:24	wz1000	but imo execeptions should be reserved for truly *exceptional* cases
2017-06-25 16:53:36	alanz	It is more verbose to start with, but saves your bacon later
2017-06-25 16:54:02	alanz	I think Michael came to the conclusion that in the real world an exception can happen at any time, even in pure code
2017-06-25 16:54:16	alanz	So may as well deal with it in a first class way. 
2017-06-25 16:55:18	wz1000	how do you throw an exeption in pure code?
2017-06-25 16:55:45	alanz	you don't, but they can happen from the environment.
2017-06-25 16:56:05	alanz	signals from the o/s, running in a thread that gets killed by another process
2017-06-25 16:56:11	alanz	div by zero etc
2017-06-25 16:56:15	alanz	I gather.
2017-06-25 16:56:47	wz1000	yeah, but most of the time that happens, there is zero chance of recovery anyway.
2017-06-25 16:57:04	alanz	true.
2017-06-25 16:57:10	alanz	I am happy with what we have.
2017-06-25 16:58:40	wz1000	in that sense, pure code isn't ever really "pure". It always has a chance to melt down your cpu and burn up your house.
2017-06-25 17:00:03	alanz	true
2017-06-25 18:13:45	alanz	hamishmack: anything to report?
2017-06-25 18:14:17	alanz	oops, after midnight there
2017-06-25 18:14:45	hamishmack	Not much.  I got side tracked messing with fsnotify instead
2017-06-25 18:15:03	alanz	ok, no problem, just interested
2017-06-25 18:15:22	alanz	there is an hinotify library or some such, iirc
2017-06-25 18:17:26	hamishmack	I am a little concerned that it might be harder to integrate Haskell things into Leksah using hie than just calling them directly
2017-06-25 18:17:52	alanz	well, leksah is not really the prime use case for it, I guess
2017-06-25 18:18:03	alanz	For me what is interesting is the functionality.
2017-06-25 18:19:09	alanz	So if we can get useful things into hie that we can all use, then updates any of us make helps all of us
2017-06-25 18:19:28	alanz	so if we can get hie to work via LS
2017-06-25 18:19:46	alanz	LSP, and somehow for leksah, it would be great
2017-06-25 18:20:10	alanz	And I suspect the leksah server API to leksah is the point to target
2017-06-25 18:20:11	hamishmack	It would be nice, but it seems like it might be a lot of work
2017-06-25 18:20:27	alanz	true, but interesting to explore
2017-06-25 18:20:53	hamishmack	The main benifit I think would be the ability to support other languages
2017-06-25 18:20:57	alanz	even if we just come up with a way to integrate the server into the back of hie somehow
2017-06-25 18:21:17	alanz	is other languages a goal for leksah?
2017-06-25 18:21:42	hamishmack	Only if someone is interested in doing the work
2017-06-25 18:22:32	alanz	do you have any idea of the leksah user base?
2017-06-25 18:22:41	hamishmack	As for haskell things here is the code that integrated hlint into Leksah as an example https://github.com/leksah/leksah/blob/master/src/IDE/HLint.hs
2017-06-25 18:23:27	alanz	ok
2017-06-25 18:23:27	hamishmack	Its only 300 lines and I think we would still need most of it even if we had LSP support
2017-06-25 18:23:37	alanz	fair enough
2017-06-25 18:24:09	alanz	arrowsvc is working on integration into KDevelop, and shares your view
2017-06-25 18:25:17	alanz	but some day I would like to see what leksah has for e.g overall documentation management, that we can access/expose via hie
2017-06-25 18:25:49	alanz	but there is enough going on already wrt to getting basic functionality in, before getting there
2017-06-25 18:35:22	arrowsvc	hamishmack: What are you doing with fsnotify, btw?
2017-06-25 18:36:06	hamishmack	Oh I am redoing the way leksah triggers builds
2017-06-25 18:36:56	hamishmack	It used to have a background thread that checked for changes in the files open in leksah (both in the editor and on disk)
2017-06-25 18:37:58	hamishmack	But that required a custom gtk main loop to make sure we did not look for changes when the app was inactive
2017-06-25 18:38:27	hamishmack	I have changed it so the builds are triggered by an event from the editor window
2017-06-25 18:39:11	hamishmack	This is nicer but it means it does not detect changes to the file on disk until you edit something
2017-06-25 18:39:52	hamishmack	Also it has always sucked that you had to have the file open in Leksah for it to trigger a build when it is modified on disk
2017-06-25 18:40:42	hamishmack	For instance if you use and external git tool (which I do) it does not rebuild automaticaly when that modifies files
2017-06-25 18:42:45	arrowsvc	I was having problems when saving files using Qt QSaveFile that are watched by fsnotify. I've been digging this up, but got distracted on some point. That why I asked.
2017-06-25 18:44:25	hamishmack	Oh interesting. I have only just started setting it up.  I will let you know if I have similar problems
2017-06-25 18:46:10	hamishmack	IIRC we use Data.Text.IO.writeFile to write souce files to disk
2017-06-25 18:48:06	arrowsvc	And Qt used comination of WriteFile and MoveFile to make writes atomic.
2017-06-25 18:49:40	arrowsvc	https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-60848 Here is bugreport, in case you are interested.
2017-06-25 18:53:50	hamishmack	We do have this rather horrible hack for the MacOS filesystem (if you have to deal with that) https://github.com/leksah/leksah/blob/master/src/IDE/Pane/SourceBuffer.hs#L1068
2017-06-25 18:58:08	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/ff7a6fd1343bd69ddffdfd147eb8298b57b5b437
2017-06-25 18:58:27	wz1000	Its behaviour is a bit strange because of how I chose to model it
2017-06-25 18:59:24	wz1000	if some text ever falls into a range that was edited, it will fail to perform the hover request.
2017-06-25 19:00:15	wz1000	So, for instance, if you insert some lines, and then delete them, all the text that falls into the range you had inserted the text will not respond to hover requests.
2017-06-25 19:00:47	wz1000	line1; line2; Both respond to hover request
2017-06-25 19:01:18	alanz	ok
2017-06-25 19:01:25	wz1000	line1; insertedLine; line2; line1 and line2 will still respond to hover request, while insertedLine will not
2017-06-25 19:01:49	wz1000	then if you delete insertedLine, line2 will stop responding to hover reqest
2017-06-25 19:01:49	alanz	I was thinking, we need to make these things functions, that can be chained together in sequence
2017-06-25 19:02:15	alanz	but of course new stuff will not be in the tree
2017-06-25 19:02:39	wz1000	thats what I'm doing, using kliesli compostion for (a -> Maybe a)
2017-06-25 19:03:01	alanz	ok, but the problem you describe is unavoidable, I think
2017-06-25 19:03:25	wz1000	We can avoid it if you use a diff
2017-06-25 19:03:28	wz1000	from the original
2017-06-25 19:04:30	alanz	hmm. My point about chaining the functions is that the mapping should go all the way through before comparing. So line2 should still map to line2 when done
2017-06-25 19:04:35	wz1000	the good thing about this approach is that it should never give a wrong answer - either it will give the correct answer or it won't give an answer
2017-06-25 19:04:48	alanz	We should maybe look at the operational transform, and its library
2017-06-25 19:05:16	alanz	and what would a diff do to make it better?
2017-06-25 19:05:38	wz1000	the original typechecked module will be for line1; line2
2017-06-25 19:05:44	alanz	apart from matching original context to current context
2017-06-25 19:05:56	wz1000	its diff with line1; line2 after deleting the original text will be nil
2017-06-25 19:06:05	wz1000	s/original/inserted
2017-06-25 19:06:26	alanz	ok, but my point is the mapping function through the changes needs to preserve that fact too.
2017-06-25 19:06:35	wz1000	how?
2017-06-25 19:06:58	alanz	So we need to have a mapping from original line to current line in file, regardless of the changes in the file.
2017-06-25 19:07:12	alanz	And I do not know how, would have to sit down and think about it. 
2017-06-25 19:08:04	alanz	but if you go from l1;l2 to l1,new;l2, then a position on l2 would map to new
2017-06-25 19:08:37	alanz	but if you go l1;l2, l1,new,l2, l1,l2, then l2 should still map to l2
2017-06-25 19:09:13	alanz	i.e. we end up with a (possibly piecewise) mapping from original line to final line (thinking of lines only for now)
2017-06-25 19:09:39	alanz	which should not care about matching add/deletes in the middle
2017-06-25 19:09:58	wz1000	yeah, even I'm only dealing with lines now. I'm treating any character change as "spoiling" the line
2017-06-25 19:10:40	wz1000	i.e. that line will not respond to hovers any more
2017-06-25 19:11:36	alanz	ok
2017-06-25 19:11:43	wz1000	any way, it shouldn't matter too much, as all hovers will work again as soon as the module starts compiling.
2017-06-25 19:11:55	alanz	agree
2017-06-25 19:12:15	alanz	and getting this better is an optimisation. 
2017-06-25 19:12:26	wz1000	And hovers that are "far away" from your edits are almost guaranteed to work
2017-06-25 19:12:39	alanz	Maybe make an issue to improve it sometime, and come back to it?
2017-06-25 19:13:01	alanz	because it can potentially become a rabbit hole
2017-06-25 19:14:10	wz1000	btw, I figured out a workaround for getting the type of an expression(instead of a single symbol)
2017-06-25 19:14:43	wz1000	You surround the expr in parentheses and hover over one of those
2017-06-25 19:17:04	wz1000	as long as you are only inserting lines, our current method works perfectly
2017-06-25 19:22:16	alanz	nice
2017-06-25 19:32:07	alanz	If I open a big project, like HaRe API.hs,and hit go to definition, it eventually goes there
2017-06-25 19:32:22	alanz	e.g. to parseSourceFileGhc
2017-06-25 19:32:58	alanz	If I go back to the API and hit goto def it takes just as long again, to a different one
2017-06-25 19:33:12	alanz	Is the caching not enabled for this yet?
2017-06-25 19:33:16	wz1000	no
2017-06-25 19:33:43	alanz	ok, no problem.
2017-06-25 19:34:18	wz1000	I needed the map before I could add caching for that.
2017-06-25 19:34:41	alanz	BTW, we should consider kicking off a timer thread, that feeds into the reactor when we launch a request. If the request comes back it removes the timer, else it sends a showMessage to say "busy, please wait"
2017-06-25 19:34:57	alanz	ok, and the map will be coming sometime.
2017-06-25 19:35:05	alanz	Nice to see this thing shaping up
2017-06-25 19:35:51	alanz	The big inflexion point will be where it starts being useful for a subset of stuff.
2017-06-25 19:36:06	alanz	So we can start using it while working on it
2017-06-25 19:37:21	alanz	And this is kind of happening, I guess, as it drives the performance stuff on real world projects
2017-06-25 19:38:27	wz1000	map is ready. I was just testing it. Pushing now
2017-06-25 19:38:52	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/960606796c52f341d4d34a27466f08c735eb104a
2017-06-25 19:39:05	wz1000	btw, I got another segfault.
2017-06-25 19:39:13	wz1000	hence the -debug
2017-06-25 19:39:59	alanz	ok
2017-06-25 19:43:01	alanz	sometime we are going to have to decide how to start hie with a -N option . It is maxing out my CPUs :)
2017-06-25 19:44:43	alanz	and repeated cross-module goto def is still a full recompile
2017-06-25 19:44:59	 *	alanz afk for a bit
2017-06-25 19:45:15	wz1000	I still haven't got goto def to use the cache
2017-06-25 19:45:41	alanz	ok, thought so. BTW, we shouuld consider emitting the hie-version on startup as a message
2017-06-25 19:45:51	alanz	To be sure we are running what we expect
2017-06-25 19:55:29	wz1000	ok, it is pretty unusable on large projects like hie
2017-06-25 19:56:02	wz1000	typeAt still takes forever
2017-06-25 22:10:09	wz1000	Actually, I just ran stack clean, and compiled without --fast and -debug, and it is running beautifully on hie
2017-06-25 22:10:46	wz1000	the initial load takes ~5s and type info is instantaneous
2017-06-25 22:11:41	alanz	nice. For what size test project?
2017-06-25 22:12:02	wz1000	hie itself
2017-06-25 22:15:08	wz1000	It is pretty useable now
2017-06-25 22:17:33	wz1000	even findDef isn't that bad, and I haven't even implemented caching yet
2017-06-25 22:18:19	wz1000	it takes 2-3s
2017-06-25 22:25:41	alanz	ok, will try that
2017-06-25 22:27:57	wz1000	alanz: I want to make type of getTypecheckedModuleGhc in Hare GhcModT m a instead of RefactGhc, but then I would have to remove the loggin
2017-06-25 22:28:38	alanz	hmm.
2017-06-25 22:28:53	alanz	Well, if it is going to move to ghc-mod, that will hapen anyway
2017-06-25 22:29:16	alanz	Maybe switch to using the gmLog stuff instead?
2017-06-25 22:29:20	wz1000	ok
2017-06-25 22:29:21	alanz	or just take it out
2017-06-25 22:29:36	alanz	because that does make sense
2017-06-25 22:29:58	alanz	putting it into GhcModT that is
2017-06-25 22:57:37	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/pull/48
2017-06-25 22:57:59	alanz	ok, looking
2017-06-25 22:59:25	alanz	looks ok. Does it pass local tests?
2017-06-25 22:59:45	wz1000	Still running. They are up to LiftOneLevel
2017-06-25 23:00:04	alanz	ok, let me know when they finish, and I will merge if ok
2017-06-25 23:00:15	alanz	They take forever, unfortunately
2017-06-25 23:01:16	wz1000	is the th one fixed?
2017-06-25 23:02:52	wz1000	Did you try out hie in vscode?
2017-06-25 23:05:25	alanz	the th one is fixed.
2017-06-25 23:06:05	alanz	And no, have not tried hie. I have tried HaRe though, which has a bigger bulk of code, I think
2017-06-25 23:06:19	wz1000	Did it work?
2017-06-25 23:08:11	wz1000	I didn't pull from your branch, so the th test failed. Do you want me to run it again?
2017-06-25 23:08:49	alanz	no, that is fixed in ghc-mod.
2017-06-25 23:08:54	alanz	Ok, will merge
2017-06-25 23:09:39	alanz	And the hie project in vscode, opened LspTransport, hit findDef on updatePositionMap, took about 30s
2017-06-25 23:10:38	alanz	but then findDef does not use the cache, bad test :)
2017-06-25 23:10:39	wz1000	strange. What about hover?
2017-06-25 23:11:44	alanz	merged
2017-06-25 23:11:57	wz1000	it takes 3-4s to findDef on updatePositionMap on my machine
2017-06-25 23:11:57	alanz	I am waiting for the compile to finish.
2017-06-25 23:12:34	alanz	well, there is something strange then. Maybe I am running the wrong version of hie
2017-06-25 23:12:38	wz1000	did you remove -debug from the .cabal?
2017-06-25 23:12:46	wz1000	and run stack clean?
2017-06-25 23:13:03	wz1000	does hover work?
2017-06-25 23:13:23	alanz	let me try that again. Hover is taking forever too. Suspect I am running the wrong exe
2017-06-25 23:13:28	alanz	time to investigate 
2017-06-25 23:14:26	alanz	and just brought in a change from your repo too. Does that remove -debug?
2017-06-25 23:14:55	wz1000	yes
2017-06-25 23:16:12	alanz	ok, done a stack clean;stack build
2017-06-25 23:16:17	alanz	will then install and test
2017-06-25 23:21:53	alanz	works much better. Great
2017-06-25 23:22:31	wz1000	hover is fast?
2017-06-25 23:24:28	alanz	lightning fast :)
2017-06-25 23:24:41	wz1000	nice
2017-06-25 23:25:01	alanz	good to see
2017-06-25 23:32:21	wz1000	alanz: Something very weird is happening. The qualified type name issue is going away after a findDef
2017-06-25 23:33:05	alanz	well, once it is "local" to the project, it does not need the fully qualified package et al ref. Perhaps
2017-06-25 23:36:29	wz1000	so how we make it local to the project in the start itself?
2017-06-26 00:12:56	alanz	I think it is down to being in a loaded module. Not sure though, to be honest. I am just hand waving/conjecturing
2017-06-26 00:13:07	alanz	But it is interesting.
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2017-06-26 11:25:45	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/36
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2017-06-26 12:35:24	wz1000	alanz: fixed the PR
2017-06-26 12:35:42	alanz	tks, will merge
2017-06-26 12:36:35	alanz	merged
2017-06-26 13:00:37	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/pull/49
2017-06-26 13:00:42	wz1000	wait, the diff is strange
2017-06-26 13:00:54	alanz	ok, let me know when it is updated
2017-06-26 13:01:02	wz1000	didn't you already merge the changes in the first commit?
2017-06-26 13:01:15	wz1000	I just had a one line diff
2017-06-26 13:02:22	wz1000	alanz: Ok, its fine now
2017-06-26 13:02:48	alanz	I think your merge and mine were functionally the same, but had different commit ids
2017-06-26 13:02:56	alanz	remember I queried it yesterday
2017-06-26 13:03:46	alanz	Does it compile locally? If so, I will merge
2017-06-26 13:03:54	wz1000	yes, it compiles
2017-06-26 13:04:15	alanz	Pretty sure that was the case, but good to check :)
2017-06-26 13:04:37	alanz	merged
2017-06-26 13:05:00	wz1000	thanks
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2017-06-26 13:38:28	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/c08ab35b0c33a47727bb30b722d0bd00c12a1532
2017-06-26 13:38:42	wz1000	Go to def across modules is completely broken
2017-06-26 13:39:06	wz1000	and sometimes I get error: can't switch to ... as it is not home module
2017-06-26 13:40:04	wz1000	hie: Cannot add module HMat to context: not a home module
2017-06-26 13:40:40	wz1000	ok, go to def does work across modules on small projects
2017-06-26 13:42:01	alanz	I think we are going to have to filter the results against the module graph that ghc-mod provides, and only allow going to ones that are in the project
2017-06-26 13:42:49	wz1000	which results?
2017-06-26 13:44:03	alanz	the findDef process itself, I guess. In HaRe, or wherever it lives. Do not have the code open atm
2017-06-26 13:44:11	wz1000	I have an idea. We can use hare to find def if it is in the same module. If not, we use something like hasktags/codex
2017-06-26 13:45:08	alanz	That could work.
2017-06-26 13:45:15	wz1000	find def code is here: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/blob/c08ab35b0c33a47727bb30b722d0bd00c12a1532/hie-hare/Haskell/Ide/HaRePlugin.hs#L247
2017-06-26 13:45:52	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/blob/c08ab35b0c33a47727bb30b722d0bd00c12a1532/hie-hare/Haskell/Ide/HaRePlugin.hs#L262
2017-06-26 13:46:08	wz1000	^ that is the case when it is not in the same module
2017-06-26 13:47:04	alanz	so I see
2017-06-26 13:47:27	alanz	I can't help atm, tied up with other things.
2017-06-26 13:48:22	wz1000	cool. I'll try to figure it out. If not, I'll try to use hasktags.
2017-06-26 13:48:23	alanz	Will take a look a bit later, but would suggest trying to work out why it won't switch, and how we can check that before. And then use that as condition to use codex instead
2017-06-26 13:48:42	alanz	but hasktags will be in the same project, so will probably not help
2017-06-26 13:49:13	alanz	And this is where using the leksah backend for info might be useful. It does something similar to codex, I think
2017-06-26 13:49:37	alanz	But I think codex will be a simpler initial option, and effective
2017-06-26 13:51:13	wz1000	alanz: The problem is with the same project, different modules
2017-06-26 13:51:51	alanz	ok, same project as in subject to the same cabal file, or like in hie one of the sub-projects?
2017-06-26 13:51:59	wz1000	same cabal file
2017-06-26 13:52:18	alanz	ok, I think it would help to try set up a reproducable test case
2017-06-26 13:52:26	wz1000	We've lost functionality that we had before
2017-06-26 13:52:39	alanz	So we can understand what is actually happening
2017-06-26 13:55:26	wz1000	do you know where the "Cannot add module ... to context: not a home module" error is coming from?
2017-06-26 13:56:01	wz1000	setGhcContext?
2017-06-26 13:56:28	alanz	no idea.
2017-06-26 13:56:35	alanz	And can't look now.
2017-06-26 13:56:47	alanz	Probably in the GHC source
2017-06-26 13:57:15	wz1000	yup: https://www.stackage.org/haddock/lts-8.18/ghc-8.0.2/src/InteractiveEval.html#setContext
2017-06-26 14:07:45	alanz	so you can see what the test is there, and shadow it before the call
2017-06-26 14:08:10	alanz	or catch the exception. Former makes more sense, I think
2017-06-26 14:27:37	wz1000	alanz: Fixed it- https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/cb8f84a28f48956bf0a480951a948c4dca85358a
2017-06-26 14:27:42	wz1000	There may be more bugs
2017-06-26 14:28:26	alanz	ok. I wondered if the nameMap was being initialised in your prior code, tbh
2017-06-26 14:28:39	alanz	Which is part of the HaRe specific processing on load
2017-06-26 14:43:37	alanz	just gave it a whirl. Works nicely, speedwise
2017-06-26 14:43:51	alanz	I see it does not find types, e.g. IdeM etc
2017-06-26 14:44:04	alanz	I tested on hie itself
2017-06-26 14:45:01	wz1000	alanz: It should find the types defined in the same target. Eg PluginRequest etc.
2017-06-26 14:46:13	wz1000	DispatcherEnv
2017-06-26 14:46:33	alanz	yes, it does those. But not cross-module.
2017-06-26 14:46:42	alanz	Or those are actually cross-project.
2017-06-26 14:47:20	alanz	At some stage we should check what all we can get from ghc-mod wrt a stack project with subdirectories
2017-06-26 14:47:22	wz1000	yeah. that is the limitation we had before too.
2017-06-26 14:47:57	alanz	because it would be great to be able to switch to the source in the sub-projects too, as we are devopling as a whole
2017-06-26 14:48:04	alanz	developing
2017-06-26 14:48:36	alanz	but the performance is really good, and only a CPU surge on initial startup, as it loads the file
2017-06-26 14:49:17	wz1000	that is not the only problem with sub-projects. ghc-mod fails to load any files in subprojects if they use dependencies that are not in the main project
2017-06-26 14:49:30	wz1000	So sub-projects are completely broken right now
2017-06-26 14:49:53	alanz	ok, if it is a ghc-mod but we must make an issue there
2017-06-26 14:50:03	wz1000	We don't switch targets at all.
2017-06-26 14:50:23	alanz	sub-projects are a huge pain from a tooling perspective in general
2017-06-26 14:50:38	alanz	and cabal now has them too
2017-06-26 14:50:42	wz1000	Eg, if you open HarePlugin.hs when you have the hie project loaded, it will fail to load the typechecked module
2017-06-26 14:51:03	wz1000	and the diagnostics will just report a compile error due to missing dependencies
2017-06-26 14:51:34	wz1000	btw, I got it to get diagnostics and load the typechecked module in a single pass.
2017-06-26 14:52:04	alanz	I saw that. Great.
2017-06-26 14:52:30	wz1000	so that should have made it a bit faster
2017-06-26 14:52:36	alanz	As I understand it, ghc-mod should be able to handle that scenario
2017-06-26 14:53:15	alanz	but I may be wrong
2017-06-26 14:53:48	alanz	we may have to manage multiple cradles for ghc-mod, one per sub-project. 
2017-06-26 14:54:13	wz1000	I'll investigate.
2017-06-26 14:54:36	wz1000	Right now I'll try to get to the bottom of the qualified type names issue
2017-06-26 14:54:45	alanz	ok, one thing at a time :)
2017-06-26 14:54:53	 *	alanz afk for a bit
2017-06-26 16:03:57	--	Notice(GitHub112): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #252: Caching of typechecked module and cached findDef, typeAt (master...master) https://git.io/vQsTN
2017-06-26 16:04:07	wz1000	alanz: ^
2017-06-26 16:06:34	alanz	will merge when CI passes
2017-06-26 16:08:30	wz1000	don't merge right now. I need to clean it up and fix the qualified name problem.
2017-06-26 16:09:14	wz1000	and do take a look if you feel anything else needs to be changed.
2017-06-26 16:09:25	alanz	ok
2017-06-26 17:13:26	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/252/commits/1e89e03cbb5c523b222e3b651c6e16e50b6e6296
2017-06-26 17:13:29	wz1000	Done.
2017-06-26 17:15:47	alanz	looks good. Will merge on test pass
2017-06-26 17:16:12	alanz	BTW, I saw a reference to this on twitter: https://github.com/rikvdkleij/intellij-haskell
2017-06-26 17:16:20	alanz	might be some stuff we can use in it
2017-06-26 17:21:43	wz1000	"Plugin does not support multi package projects;"
2017-06-26 17:22:33	alanz	:)
2017-06-26 17:23:20	wz1000	ci passed.
2017-06-26 17:23:30	wz1000	no, that was the old one, sorry
2017-06-26 17:37:14	wz1000	HIE is unique in what can be done with it.
2017-06-26 17:37:29	wz1000	Like the caching of the TypecheckedModule.
2017-06-26 17:38:00	wz1000	You can't do that using a custom parser/lexer
2017-06-26 17:38:50	wz1000	And since we use ghc itself, hie should never go out of sync with the language
2017-06-26 17:59:25	alanz	agree, which is the whole point of the thing
2017-06-26 17:59:53	alanz	And will get better over time as the integration into GHC improves, driven by the HIE experience
2017-06-26 18:04:06	wz1000	alanz: ghcmod diagnostics show the tmp file. Can/should something be done about it?
2017-06-26 18:05:14	alanz	have a look inside ghc-mod, I am pretty sure there is a process to undo it in there somewhere
2017-06-26 18:05:37	alanz	There is an internal errMsg printer, if memory serves me right
2017-06-26 18:06:14	alanz	because ghc-mod also uses the map files, so has already solved this
2017-06-26 18:09:03	wz1000	hmm, I'm using exactly the method ghc mod uses to get diagnostics
2017-06-26 18:18:00	alanz	its not getting them, it it outputting them. There are custom Outputable instances in ghc-mod
2017-06-26 18:21:12	alanz	loog at ppErrMsg in Logger
2017-06-26 18:21:57	alanz	It is not the getting of the errors, it is the printing of them that needs to change
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2017-06-26 18:23:06	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/blob/eqdynflags-3/core/GhcMod/Logger.hs#L140
2017-06-26 18:23:38	wz1000	printing too. I'm using exactly the method thats used there.
2017-06-26 18:23:46	wz1000	https://www.stackage.org/haddock/nightly-2017-06-14/ghc-mod-5.8.0.0/src/GhcMod.Logger.html#withLogger%27
2017-06-26 18:24:24	wz1000	https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/blob/mapped-files/src/Language/Haskell/Refact/Utils/Utils.hs#L139
2017-06-26 18:24:36	alanz	ok.
2017-06-26 18:24:43	alanz	Then I do not know.
2017-06-26 18:25:02	alanz	Unless the ghc-mod map-file knowledge is not properly up to date.
2017-06-26 18:25:16	alanz	Because it should be doing that.
2017-06-26 18:25:55	alanz	BUT, you need to ask ghc-mod to process the unmapped file, it must do the whole mapping process internally. Not sure if you are doing that
2017-06-26 18:26:45	 *	alanz firing up my local emacs to actually look at code.
2017-06-26 18:27:30	wz1000	alanz: the action happens at HaRe.getTypecheckedModuleGhc
2017-06-26 18:27:47	alanz	ok
2017-06-26 18:36:46	alanz	No idea why it is happening. I suggest turning on logging, and potentially adding logging inside ghc-mod, to see what is up
2017-06-26 18:37:13	alanz	Only thing I can think is that somehow it is an instance resolution thing, but I doubt it
2017-06-26 18:41:20	wz1000	alanz: Maybe your mapped file changes to ghc-mod did something
2017-06-26 18:41:52	alanz	you can look at the diff, but I doubt it
2017-06-26 18:42:08	alanz	The only thing it does is enable the hook to flow through
2017-06-26 18:43:32	alanz	it does not change the actual targetstr that gets used, which is the file name/targets passed through
2017-06-26 18:44:09	alanz	what you could do, is call ghc-mod check on the CLI, with ghc-mod from my branch.
2017-06-26 18:44:15	alanz	That will immediately show it
2017-06-26 18:44:31	wz1000	how do I map a file on cli?
2017-06-26 18:44:52	wz1000	got it --map-file
2017-06-26 18:48:42	wz1000	btw, it passed CI
2017-06-26 18:53:38	wz1000	damn, I upgraded all my haskell packages and ghc today, and now cabal refuses to build anything. It will probably go away after a reboot.
2017-06-26 18:59:53	alanz	upgraded via package manager?
2017-06-26 19:00:23	alanz	I generally don't install any haskell stuff that way, it conflicts with all the other stuff
2017-06-26 19:01:11	alanz	merged
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2017-06-26 19:01:14	--	Notice(GitHub109): haskell-ide-engine/master 9f0430d Alan Zimmerman: Use updated HaRe/ghc-mod to fix multiple findDef error...
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2017-06-26 19:01:14	--	Notice(GitHub109): haskell-ide-engine/master 11465d6 Zubin Duggal: Merge branch 'wip' of https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine
2017-06-26 19:01:14	--	Notice(GitHub79): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #252: Caching of typechecked module and cached findDef, typeAt (master...master) https://git.io/vQsTN
2017-06-26 19:02:30	wz1000	yeah, using the package manager.
2017-06-26 19:08:13	alanz	that is a recipe for pain
2017-06-26 19:08:49	alanz	I install ghc from own builds or tarballs into /opt/ghc, and/or let stack install it
2017-06-26 19:09:03	alanz	So nothing haskell from package manager
2017-06-26 19:09:22	alanz	(except things like pandoc, but that is hidden, effectively)
2017-06-26 19:12:41	wz1000	funny you mention pandoc, today it brought in loads of stuff today. There is a big controversy about it. https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/6jce9x/pandoc_minus_the_new_750mb_haskell_nonsense/
2017-06-26 19:15:00	alanz	yes, I saw it in passing, but ignored it.
2017-06-26 19:15:31	alanz	It's a swiss army knif of doc conversions, so I guess it brings in everything that it can convert from/to
2017-06-26 19:16:28	wz1000	yeah, but iirc it was a binary earlier, so didn't bring in any haskell dependencies
2017-06-26 19:19:55	alanz	ok
2017-06-26 19:20:00	wz1000	goddamnit, the cabal issue won't go after a reboot
2017-06-26 19:20:04	alanz	debian is a binary install
2017-06-26 19:20:04	wz1000	https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/54563
2017-06-26 19:20:42	alanz	out of my sphere of knowledge.
2017-06-26 19:21:03	alanz	Except to advise a manual install, with path set accordingly.
2017-06-26 19:21:18	alanz	Then it is just "cabal install cabal-install"
2017-06-26 19:21:32	alanz	and it ends up in ~/.cabal/bin
2017-06-26 19:21:50	alanz	or even "stack install cabal-install"
2017-06-26 19:22:00	alanz	where it ends up in ~/local/bin
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2017-06-26 19:53:48	wz1000	alanz: we already have the parsed source in the typechecked module. Is there some way of generating exactprint annotations from it?
2017-06-26 19:56:11	alanz	well, when we load in HaRe we tweak the dynflags to make sure that the annotations are generated and kept, so they are there, and can be used
2017-06-26 20:01:12	alanz	It is in the hscFrontendHook now, so the annotations are available when we load. You just need to call the relatavise thing in ghc-exactprint
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2017-06-27 00:30:06	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/pull/50
2017-06-27 00:30:29	alanz	will look
2017-06-27 00:31:35	alanz	Looks impressive. I assume it does what it needs to?
2017-06-27 00:31:53	wz1000	I'm reasonably confident about gcatch
2017-06-27 00:32:06	wz1000	gmask i'm not so sure
2017-06-27 00:32:38	wz1000	I lifted it straight from the instance for GhcT
2017-06-27 00:33:07	alanz	ok, sounds fine. It should never be triggered anyway.
2017-06-27 00:33:10	wz1000	https://www.stackage.org/haddock/lts-8.18/ghc-8.0.2/src/GhcMonad.html#Ghc
2017-06-27 00:33:51	alanz	Will merge
2017-06-27 00:43:04	wz1000	I checked the instances in Control.Monad.Catch, and I'm pretty sure now that gmask is ok
2017-06-27 00:43:08	wz1000	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/exceptions-0.8.3/docs/src/Control-Monad-Catch.html#line-233
2017-06-27 00:43:21	wz1000	I still have no idea what it does.
2017-06-27 00:50:04	alanz	I think it stops exceptions from being processed, in the masked area. Or something.
2017-06-27 00:50:44	alanz	but I do not really know what it does. So I am happy for you to have brought in what is done in GHC
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2017-06-27 12:22:06	wz1000	alanz: the mapped file in diagnostics issue is being reproduced with checkCmd'(our old way of getting diagnostics) too.
2017-06-27 12:22:29	wz1000	so it is probably an issue in ghc-mod itself rather than getTypecheckedModuleGhc
2017-06-27 12:23:21	wz1000	i haven't tested with the ghc-mod executable as my cabal/ghc setup is still messed up
2017-06-27 12:23:59	wz1000	[ghcmod]
2017-06-27 12:23:59	wz1000	This binding for ‘example’ shadows the existing binding
2017-06-27 12:24:01	wz1000	  defined at /tmp/tmp.p5iccTtUp1/ghc-mod10808/Examples1957747793424238335.hs:13:1
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2017-06-27 16:06:27	alanz	wz1000: ok, interesting
2017-06-27 16:07:16	alanz	The code in ghc-mod looks like it is supposed to sort it out. Might be worth investigating in detail, and/or raising an issue
2017-06-27 16:27:12	wz1000	alanz: I think it just fixes the filename we parse here: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-ghc-mod/Haskell/Ide/GhcModPlugin.hs#L252
2017-06-27 16:30:58	alanz	ok, not the one actually in the diagnostic
2017-06-27 16:31:14	alanz	I guess we need to do a substitute on that.
2017-06-27 16:31:42	alanz	I know there is an issue on GHC wrt error messages, to make them more useful for us potentially
2017-06-27 16:32:14	alanz	See https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/8809
2017-06-27 16:32:50	alanz	wz1000: stupid question, but are you going to be at ICFP?
2017-06-27 16:33:01	wz1000	maybe we can pretty print the error ourselves.
2017-06-27 16:33:06	wz1000	no
2017-06-27 16:33:51	wz1000	anything interesting happening this year?
2017-06-27 16:33:57	alanz	ok, did not think so. I am contemplating putting in for a talk at HIW, covering this stuff and future plans
2017-06-27 16:34:34	alanz	and would want you part of it if you were there. Which is a long shot I know 
2017-06-27 16:35:07	alanz	See https://github.com/gasche/icfp2017-papers
2017-06-27 16:35:44	alanz	And in terms of errors, I see us eventually taking some kind of rich structure from GHC and processing it depending on our needs
2017-06-27 16:36:07	alanz	e.g., for an error message, deriving a quick fix, picking out locations, etc
2017-06-27 16:37:47	wz1000	hmm, I can think about going if can get some kind of travel support etc.
2017-06-27 16:38:31	alanz	I have no idea how that works, tbh.
2017-06-27 16:38:36	wz1000	We can make something like apply-refact for warnings and errors - redundant import etc.
2017-06-27 16:38:50	alanz	yes, which is what intero already does
2017-06-27 16:39:15	alanz	And it is definitely a feature I want us to bring over.
2017-06-27 16:39:41	alanz	Because some of them are really simple to interpret.
2017-06-27 16:40:16	alanz	And ghc-mod does get the raw ErrMsg from GHC, I am not sure how much structure it has at that point
2017-06-27 16:40:55	wz1000	yeah. Something I would find useful is automatically importing the module a symbol belogns to and adding it to the .cabal
2017-06-27 16:41:30	wz1000	Because jumping between the import list and the .cabal becomes very annoying
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2017-06-27 16:47:54	wz1000	http://icfp17.sigplan.org/attending/student-travel-support
2017-06-27 16:50:39	alanz	ok, interesting. I don't think HIW qualifies as a paper though, it is more informal talk about things that are happening.
2017-06-27 16:53:45	wz1000	HIW?
2017-06-27 17:11:10	alanz	Haskell Implementors Workshop
2017-06-27 17:11:33	alanz	http://icfp17.sigplan.org/track/hiw-2017
2017-06-27 18:12:23	wz1000	alanz: Does HaRe have something that will give me all the names in scope at a point?
2017-06-27 18:12:51	alanz	I think so. Search for inScopes
2017-06-27 18:13:09	alanz	It is in the TypeCheckedModule too, in the environment. 
2017-06-27 18:13:17	alanz	So may be a GHC API call
2017-06-27 18:14:10	alanz	check the test for name clashes in the rename refactoring, that pulls in the in scope stuff
2017-06-27 18:14:28	wz1000	yeah, it is. But i don't think it will get local defnitions
2017-06-27 18:14:54	alanz	And if it is a point inside a function, there is the hsFreeAndDeclaredRdr, and hsVisibleDsRdr that should do it
2017-06-27 18:15:18	alanz	(but usage may well show up bugs, which can be fixed)
2017-06-27 18:17:04	wz1000	what are free names?
2017-06-27 18:18:24	alanz	Names that get there value from something outside the current context
2017-06-27 18:19:03	alanz	I think the visible query is the one you want
2017-06-27 18:19:36	alanz	in terms of free: "let x = y + 6 in x + 2", y would be free
2017-06-27 18:20:31	wz1000	got it.
2017-06-27 18:20:38	wz1000	I wanted it for completion
2017-06-27 18:23:01	wz1000	alanz: what syntax phrase do I pass?
2017-06-27 18:23:30	alanz	The whole ParsedSource
2017-06-27 18:23:59	wz1000	so how do I get the names at a point?
2017-06-27 18:26:29	alanz	I am not actually sure, to be honest
2017-06-27 18:27:14	alanz	hsFdsFromInsideRdr might do it
2017-06-27 18:28:40	alanz	but I have not worked with that stuff for a while
2017-06-27 18:29:00	wz1000	the parsed source can be available even if the typechecked module is not, right?
2017-06-27 18:31:12	alanz	yes
2017-06-27 18:35:42	alanz	What does that intellij plugin do for completions?
2017-06-27 18:36:12	alanz	And Intero?
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2017-06-27 19:05:12	wz1000	https://github.com/commercialhaskell/intero/blob/master/src/GhciFind.hs#L65
2017-06-27 19:05:23	wz1000	I think intellij uses intero
2017-06-27 19:16:25	alanz	well, we can do that too :)
2017-06-27 19:17:00	alanz	Remember, we were planning on exposing Intero as a library?
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2017-06-28 18:09:14	arrowsvc	Why do PluginDescriptor export `IdeM`, but not `IdeT`?
2017-06-28 18:09:34	arrowsvc	I want to plug ReaderT into my command handlers.
2017-06-28 18:10:34	arrowsvc	Ah, I guess that's because IdeM is fixed to IO.
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2017-06-28 18:42:43	wz1000	arrowsvc_: even if you added a ReaderT, you would have to rewrite the dispatcher to handle the new monad.
2017-06-28 18:43:56	arrowsvc_	I do runReaderT right after parsing some args, so it is OK.
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2017-06-29 00:24:38	wz1000	alanz: I took a stab at async commands: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/40398df3bf9ba0ae28885569e360d7dcdc2b4361
2017-06-29 00:25:06	alanz	looking ..
2017-06-29 00:26:15	wz1000	what I like about this approach is that there were no changes to the dispatcher, which is getting complex enough already
2017-06-29 00:26:38	alanz	agree
2017-06-29 00:26:47	alanz	Do the tests pass?
2017-06-29 00:27:12	wz1000	on my machine
2017-06-29 00:27:29	wz1000	I don't like this line: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/40398df3bf9ba0ae28885569e360d7dcdc2b4361#diff-3a1a3fe04a19ce8c3b29845832ef100dR301
2017-06-29 00:27:39	wz1000	but I'm not sure how to test this behaviour
2017-06-29 00:28:13	alanz	I did not spot that. It's a no-no
2017-06-29 00:28:37	alanz	In my tests I used an MVar, and let the test process signal to it, so you know when to carry on
2017-06-29 00:29:10	alanz	I think it is in the eg-async. Hold on, let me look
2017-06-29 00:31:25	alanz	The ExtensibleStateSpec.hs, where the one process signals the other
2017-06-29 00:32:09	alanz	hmm, no that's not it
2017-06-29 00:32:34	alanz	But that is the principle, put something in the test functions to synchronise things
2017-06-29 00:33:06	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/cb0820a3d6ef9ab4a9e8e0322beb950427009512
2017-06-29 00:33:25	alanz	perfect
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2017-06-29 01:45:28	arrowsvc	Is it possible to have a global mutable state within a plugin? A cache of some sort.
2017-06-29 02:17:55	alanz	The dispatcher can keep state for a plugin
2017-06-29 02:18:21	alanz	Look at the ExtensibleStateSpec test to see how to use it
2017-06-29 02:19:37	alanz	arrowsvc: See https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/ExtensibleState.hs
2017-06-29 02:20:45	alanz	Also, the example in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-eg-plugin-async/Haskell/Ide/ExamplePluginAsync.hs
2017-06-29 02:21:06	alanz	where the subprocess handle gets stored in the extensible state
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2017-06-29 19:15:06	wz1000	alanz: what is a "selector" in ghc?
2017-06-29 19:15:12	wz1000	https://www.stackage.org/haddock/lts-8.20/ghc-8.0.2/Avail.html#v:availNamesWithSelectors
2017-06-29 19:15:18	wz1000	All names made available by the availability information (including overloaded selectors)
2017-06-29 19:20:05	alanz	wz1000: no idea. Looks like it is related to patterns somehow
2017-06-29 19:20:22	alanz	which I have yet to try and get my head around
2017-06-29 19:20:33	wz1000	yeah, I don't think I would need it
2017-06-29 19:20:40	wz1000	https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/protocol.md#textDocument_documentSymbol
2017-06-29 19:20:56	wz1000	how do you think the symbol kinds should be mapped to haskell things
2017-06-29 19:20:57	wz1000	?
2017-06-29 19:24:49	wz1000	alanz: Should document symbol respond with exports, top level definitions, or every single symbol in the parsed source?
2017-06-29 19:25:19	alanz	I am not sure, to be honest.
2017-06-29 19:25:39	alanz	Might be best to choose something, and then experiment with it in vscode and see what it does
2017-06-29 19:25:59	alanz	Most of these features do not mean much until you try to use them in practice
2017-06-29 19:26:36	alanz	Or, try to use the feature on another language/server, such as python or rust, and see what it does for that
2017-06-29 19:27:52	alanz	As in, is it used for completion, highlighting, ??
2017-06-29 19:28:51	wz1000	https://github.com/palantir/python-language-server
2017-06-29 19:29:11	wz1000	I think python responds with top level decls
2017-06-29 19:30:02	alanz	ok
2017-06-29 19:30:17	alanz	I would imagine top-level would make sense
2017-06-29 19:31:13	wz1000	https://www.stackage.org/haddock/lts-8.20/HaRe-0.8.4.0/Language-Haskell-Refact-API.html#v:getDeclaredVarsRdr
2017-06-29 19:31:20	wz1000	this should give me what I need?
2017-06-29 19:35:42	alanz	yes
2017-06-29 19:36:03	alanz	but you will need to get all the top-level decls first
2017-06-29 19:36:18	alanz	using hsDecls on the parsedsource
2017-06-29 19:38:57	wz1000	alanz: Would it be better to pattern match on the HsDecl?
2017-06-29 19:39:18	wz1000	Since we get the symbol kind with that
2017-06-29 20:17:11	alanz	Well, once we have the Name its class tells us what it is
2017-06-29 20:28:09	wz1000	alanz: how?
2017-06-29 20:28:27	wz1000	https://www.stackage.org/haddock/lts-8.20/ghc-8.0.2/src/Name.html#Name
2017-06-29 20:28:43	wz1000	name doesn't have anything to tell us what kind of thing it is
2017-06-29 20:28:53	alanz	the occName has a class
2017-06-29 20:29:36	alanz	https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/latest/docs/html/libraries/ghc-8.0.1/OccName.html#v:occNameSpace
2017-06-29 20:30:00	alanz	See also isVarocc, isTcOcc etc
2017-06-29 20:30:16	wz1000	anyway, I needed to get stuff like Type/Class/type family decl names, which getDeclaredVarsRdr ignores
2017-06-29 20:30:49	wz1000	whats a vectDec?
2017-06-29 20:30:54	wz1000	VectD
2017-06-29 20:31:02	alanz	yes, I was wondering about that. Needs to be added in to HaRe, but there have been no class/data type refactorings so far
2017-06-29 20:31:19	alanz	There is some kind of vector support in GHC
2017-06-29 20:31:29	alanz	Not sure of the details, just know it exists.
2017-06-29 20:31:42	alanz	I think you use a special kind of brackets, or something
2017-06-29 20:32:16	wz1000	how should we map the lsp symbol kind to haskell things?
2017-06-29 20:32:31	wz1000	https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/protocol.md#textDocument_documentSymbol
2017-06-29 20:32:40	alanz	When in doubt look in Parser.y: https://github.com/ghc/ghc/blob/master/compiler/parser/Parser.y#L972
2017-06-29 20:33:17	alanz	I am not sure.
2017-06-29 20:33:33	alanz	And suspect we may have to raise an issue on the spec for some of the stuff
2017-06-29 20:34:05	wz1000	right now I'm making all type related things a Class, everything else except constructors(which are Constructors) Variables
2017-06-29 20:34:13	alanz	may as well.
2017-06-29 20:34:30	alanz	It also comes down to what vscode does with that info
2017-06-29 20:34:42	wz1000	or should typeclass be an interface?
2017-06-29 20:34:58	wz1000	Funny how that would work
2017-06-29 20:35:06	alanz	And doing a prelimiary mapping, with a note to revisit is probably good enough, until we discover more
2017-06-29 20:35:17	wz1000	I think vscode chooses icons using this.
2017-06-29 20:35:29	alanz	I think a TypeClass could be mapped to interface
2017-06-29 20:35:44	alanz	and funbind etc to method.  
2017-06-29 20:35:54	wz1000	but funbind can be a variable
2017-06-29 20:36:14	alanz	Or class methods to method, top level FunBind to Function, surely?
2017-06-29 20:36:32	alanz	likewise PatBind
2017-06-29 20:37:07	wz1000	But top level funbind can be <not a function>
2017-06-29 20:37:54	wz1000	and there is no reliable way of knowing whether something is a function or not because of polymorphism
2017-06-29 20:38:31	alanz	well, FunBind means function, surely?
2017-06-29 20:38:44	wz1000	a = 1 is a funbind
2017-06-29 20:38:49	wz1000	I think
2017-06-29 20:38:51	alanz	What are you distinguishing between? What is <not a function>
2017-06-29 20:39:08	alanz	Well, technically that is a function called a, that returns 1 :)
2017-06-29 20:41:49	wz1000	a type synonym is a LSP Class?
2017-06-29 20:44:46	alanz	May as well. I think an OO class is the closest match to a haskell type
2017-06-29 20:45:16	alanz	I wonder if they treat Bool specially, in the interface. Why it is singled out
2017-06-29 20:45:30	wz1000	They have Number and Array too
2017-06-29 20:45:34	wz1000	and String
2017-06-29 20:45:58	alanz	I know. Same thing holds
2017-06-29 20:46:38	wz1000	afaik they just use these for the icons they show next to the name
2017-06-29 20:46:49	alanz	ok
2017-06-29 20:47:58	wz1000	techinically, we can make everything a Constant :)
2017-06-29 20:48:09	alanz	true
2017-06-29 20:48:31	alanz	but in my mid we should choose something, and see what it looks like in practice
2017-06-29 20:48:46	alanz	And then probably raise an issue on LSP
2017-06-29 20:49:02	alanz	But we need a proper list of our own first
2017-06-29 21:11:14	arrowsvc	Is there something like ++& for SParamDesc's?
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2017-06-29 21:27:00	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/7dcaf2f9ce230ffab00599b1278fa3b27ed0485c
2017-06-29 21:27:44	wz1000	I missed out constructors. I'll add that in a bit
2017-06-29 21:29:39	wz1000	And I'll also add support for imports
2017-06-29 21:31:27	wz1000	Press C-S-o in vscode to bring up the list of all symbols
2017-06-29 21:34:25	wz1000	or Go > Go to Symbol
2017-06-29 21:59:08	wz1000	alanz: It is not showing the symbols for methods defined in type classes.
2017-06-29 21:59:53	wz1000	Data families in type classes work fine
2017-06-29 22:00:39	wz1000	i used debug.trace and it is telling me the bag of funcs is empty
2017-06-29 22:01:08	wz1000	nvm, I figured out the bug
2017-06-29 22:01:23	wz1000	I was trying to get the default binds instead of the sigs
2017-06-29 22:11:20	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/9aa144a736671fb6f1f5f4a2c3289bb82e30efc5
2017-06-29 22:11:51	wz1000	With completion and findReferences, we will be feature equivalent to the python server
2017-06-29 22:12:17	wz1000	and they don't have refactorings
2017-06-29 22:19:39	wz1000	alanz: where is the structure for record syntax?
2017-06-29 22:19:42	wz1000	https://www.stackage.org/haddock/lts-8.20/ghc-8.0.2/HsDecls.html#t:TyClDecl
2017-06-29 23:04:34	wz1000	alanz: vscode sends the document symbols request twice, which makes each symbol appear twice in the list
2017-06-29 23:04:48	wz1000	I think its a bug in the plugin
2017-06-29 23:06:04	--	Notice(GitHub163): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #253: Added support for textDocument/documentSymbol and async commands (master...master) https://git.io/vQ8E6
2017-06-29 23:19:10	alanz	wz1000: I'm back now, will take a look
2017-06-29 23:46:41	alanz	wz1000: Now that I see it in action it makes more sense
2017-06-29 23:47:10	alanz	And I think we need to skip sending signatures. Unless we can get them to have a different icon
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2017-06-30 11:53:57	wz1000	alanz: Which signatures?
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2017-06-30 11:58:11	wz1000	yeah, the icons aren't very good.
2017-06-30 11:58:17	wz1000	But that is up to the editor.
2017-06-30 11:59:01	wz1000	https://raw.githubusercontent.com/palantir/python-language-server/develop/resources/document-symbols.gif
2017-06-30 11:59:14	wz1000	^ the same request for the python langserver
2017-06-30 12:48:24	alanz	Which signatures? If I open the hie Dispatcher.hs, and ask for symbols, it shows each definition twice, in the list. Building against your master as of yesterday
2017-06-30 12:48:46	alanz	But it does not go to the signature location, so maybe it is just a duplication issue
2017-06-30 12:49:26	alanz	And if I delete the sig it still shows up twice, so it is a duplication problem
2017-06-30 13:00:06	wz1000	I don't send the signatures. I ignore them
2017-06-30 13:00:13	wz1000	alanz: I isn't an issue with hie
2017-06-30 13:00:27	wz1000	check the logs.
2017-06-30 13:00:33	wz1000	*It
2017-06-30 13:00:44	wz1000	the request comes twice
2017-06-30 13:00:55	wz1000	the HIE response is perfectly fine
2017-06-30 13:01:41	wz1000	it is either a bug in vscode or the extension
2017-06-30 13:04:08	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/37
2017-06-30 13:20:58	alanz	ok, will take a look.
2017-06-30 13:23:18	wz1000	alanz: I mergeded your extra-logging branch too.
2017-06-30 13:23:26	wz1000	*merged
2017-06-30 13:23:37	alanz	thanks
2017-06-30 13:26:35	alanz	Given the way the RequestMessage and ResponseMessage are now tied together, I wonder if we could somehow merge the definitions?
2017-06-30 13:26:41	alanz	But the PR looks good
2017-06-30 13:27:55	alanz	will merge when CI happy
2017-06-30 13:45:42	alanz	merged haskell-lsp
2017-06-30 13:53:03	wz1000	now we can't send a response with the wrong type.
2017-06-30 13:54:47	wz1000	the rsp is just a phantom type variable for typechecking
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2017-06-30 14:04:02	alanz	I know, and it is good. But I was just thinking aloud. We now need a pair of type defs, and the response type is duplicated.
2017-06-30 14:06:29	alanz	Its almost like we should have "data MsgPair req rsp = MsgPair { reqM :: (RequestMessage req rsp), rspM :: (ResponseMessage rsp)}" 
2017-06-30 14:06:49	alanz	Not sure if that would make things much more complicated though
2017-06-30 14:10:53	wz1000	alanz: the duplication issue was a bug in the extension
2017-06-30 14:11:14	alanz	ok, good to hear. My code?
2017-06-30 14:11:29	 *	alanz first ever typescript, copy paste ...
2017-06-30 14:12:03	wz1000	I don't know what the bug was. I copied python-langservers vscode plugin, and it disappeared.
2017-06-30 14:13:03	alanz	ok, it is probably a version mismatch. Can you give me a link to the python one, and I will investigate
2017-06-30 14:14:12	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/sourcegraph/python-langserver
2017-06-30 14:14:26	wz1000	the vscode-client subdirectory 
2017-06-30 14:14:35	alanz	thanks
2017-06-30 14:15:29	wz1000	the only line I changed was in extension.ts
2017-06-30 14:15:32	wz1000	 context.subscriptions.push(startLangServer("langserver-python", ["python"]));
2017-06-30 14:15:48	wz1000	changed that to call hie.sh with document selector "haskell"
2017-06-30 14:15:53	wz1000	instead of python
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2017-06-30 16:09:49	wz1000	alanz: In hie/app/MainHie.hs
2017-06-30 16:09:53	wz1000	hie: parseGhcDiagnostics: got error"inp" (line 2, column 17):
2017-06-30 16:09:53	wz1000	unexpected '\NUL'
2017-06-30 16:09:53	wz1000	expecting "\n" or end of input
2017-06-30 16:09:53	wz1000	CallStack (from HasCallStack):
2017-06-30 16:09:55	wz1000	  error, called at ./Haskell/Ide/GhcModPlugin.hs:244:17 in hie-ghc-mod-0.1.0.0-ZavxSUD1TOJyRr7xOiSue:Haskell.Ide.GhcModPlugin
2017-06-30 16:11:02	alanz	The error messages as printed by ghc-mod have the original newlines replaced with \NUL, and then the individual errors separated by \n
2017-06-30 16:11:38	alanz	So the parsing process should be to first call lines to split the errors apart, and then split on \NUL
2017-06-30 16:11:49	alanz	I am sure it used to do that
2017-06-30 16:12:25	alanz	And I think the char used can be set in the ghc-mod Options, with default \NUL
2017-06-30 16:18:50	wz1000	maybe we can pretty print the error ourselves in diagnostic form
2017-06-30 16:19:07	wz1000	that would get rid of parse errors entirely
2017-06-30 16:20:54	alanz	I agree
2017-06-30 16:21:34	alanz	And position us well for when the GHC error starts having a more expressive data type
2017-06-30 16:23:09	alanz	wz1000: did you see the mail on haskell-cafe about https://github.com/google/haskell-indexer?
2017-06-30 16:23:36	alanz	ah, ghc-devs
2017-06-30 16:24:19	alanz	https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/ghc-devs/2017-June/014338.html
2017-06-30 16:36:34	wz1000	alanz: neat
2017-06-30 16:36:37	wz1000	http://stuff.codereview.me/#ghc/compiler/hsSyn/HsBinds.hs?corpus&signature
2017-06-30 16:37:20	alanz	Possibly something we should expose in hie, some time
2017-06-30 16:37:34	wz1000	lsp can achieve something similar functionality using findDef and findReferences.
2017-06-30 16:38:03	wz1000	s/something/somewhat/
2017-06-30 16:39:01	wz1000	we could use this as a backend for those.
2017-06-30 16:40:01	wz1000	I was thinking of implmenting findReferences next.
2017-06-30 16:44:10	wz1000	hmm, the basic types overlap quite a bit with hie: https://github.com/google/haskell-indexer/blob/master/haskell-indexer-translate/src/Language/Haskell/Indexer/Translate.hs
2017-06-30 16:46:41	wz1000	we should probably make an issue to integrate with hie
2017-06-30 16:47:20	wz1000	splitting the kythe translator to a seperate module.
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2017-06-30 17:55:35	alanz	wz1000: sounds good to me
2017-06-30 17:55:54	alanz	The more off-the shelf stuff we can use at the back the better
2017-06-30 17:56:41	wz1000	I just read some of how it would work, and it seems like we would have to query the kythe tool for the stuff we want
2017-06-30 17:57:32	wz1000	The indexer simply translates the TypecheckedModule into a graph like structure that the kythe tool uses.
2017-06-30 17:58:11	wz1000	the actual queries(findDef, findReference) are handled by kythe itself.
2017-06-30 17:58:26	wz1000	so we would have to make kythe bindings.
2017-06-30 17:58:47	wz1000	as I don't think any exist for haskell
2017-06-30 17:59:08	wz1000	(or we could query the cmd line tool)
2017-06-30 17:59:42	wz1000	But HaRe already does find references.
2017-06-30 17:59:52	wz1000	(in rename etc.)
2017-06-30 18:00:28	wz1000	So I think it would be simpler to use that, since we've already integrated that into hie
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2017-06-30 18:06:06	alanz	ok, what ever gets it done easiest.
2017-06-30 18:06:23	alanz	And preferably without stitching in some external web site
2017-06-30 18:08:13	wz1000	alanz: how does HaRe find references? I tried looking in renamePN, but it is massive.
2017-06-30 18:09:30	alanz	it does a scan over the source, looking at the renamed Name, rather than the RdrName
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2017-07-01 03:36:15	arrowsvc	I've finally got something http://arrowd.name/lambdadevelop.png
2017-07-01 03:36:34	arrowsvc	The project gets imported and target list is extracted.
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2017-07-01 11:02:41	wz1000	alanz: I tried to use hoogle to fetch docs in the hover request, but it doesn't work very well.
2017-07-01 11:02:45	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/de5b384a084d7a5ce842ba56801cdd4da9f541b8
2017-07-01 11:03:09	wz1000	Its in my hoogle-hover branch.
2017-07-01 11:05:31	wz1000	First, it is slow
2017-07-01 11:06:51	wz1000	Second, it often shows wrong docs
2017-07-01 13:09:49	wz1000	I fixed most issues now: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/092e21d703c14592b78f03108adde36d42b324fb
2017-07-01 13:38:57	alanz	wz1000: will take a look
2017-07-01 13:40:36	wz1000	There is still one issue that needs to be fixed. Do you know the format of UnitId? I need to extract the package name from that, leaving out the version/hash.
2017-07-01 13:42:47	alanz	its in either the ghc or cabal source
2017-07-01 13:43:10	alanz	I was wondering if we should not try to use something like codex, instead of hoogle
2017-07-01 13:43:47	alanz	Because we are trying to cross-reference against stuff in the project, vs look up something to use across the universe of haskell packages. As I understand it
2017-07-01 13:44:21	alanz	And so things like making sure we refer to the same version of the package as used in the project becomes important
2017-07-01 13:44:26	wz1000	I'm using hoogle to supply docs in teh hover request
2017-07-01 13:44:36	wz1000	*the
2017-07-01 13:45:04	wz1000	since we are using hoogle as a library, that should be taken care of.
2017-07-01 13:45:09	alanz	ok
2017-07-01 13:45:40	alanz	except hoogle has a single db, and the library access is just to its functionality/exe
2017-07-01 13:46:35	alanz	And this is the role I think the leksah server might be able to help with too, as it also manages a database of packages, and can serve info requests for them
2017-07-01 13:54:52	wz1000	hmm, interesting.
2017-07-01 13:56:24	alanz	wz1000: the docs look good
2017-07-01 13:56:45	alanz	and seems zippy enough. I hovered over partitioEithers
2017-07-01 13:56:45	wz1000	alanz: my last commit?
2017-07-01 13:56:48	alanz	yes
2017-07-01 13:57:01	wz1000	yeah, I improved it somewhat.
2017-07-01 13:57:11	alanz	tip of hoogle-hover, after fresh install and db gen of hoogle
2017-07-01 13:57:26	wz1000	It will break for packages that have '-' in their names.
2017-07-01 13:57:30	wz1000	like ghc-mod
2017-07-01 13:57:35	wz1000	ghc-exactprint etc.
2017-07-01 13:57:39	alanz	ouch
2017-07-01 13:57:57	alanz	One thing we must look at is using markup, which I believe is supported
2017-07-01 13:58:16	alanz	and perhaps tailoring the pretty-printer to the width used in the pop-up.
2017-07-01 13:58:22	wz1000	alanz: yeah, we have modify the the MarkedString type in DataTypesJSON
2017-07-01 13:58:49	alanz	but that actually needs control right into the originating point, ie. inside hoogle
2017-07-01 13:59:04	alanz	once again, we need a rich data type, which we render as required
2017-07-01 13:59:13	alanz	I wonder if hoogle provides that?
2017-07-01 13:59:30	wz1000	"haskell" works quite well as we get syntax highlighting for free.
2017-07-01 13:59:45	alanz	because ideally we get something, set the ppr params to be markup in width x and go
2017-07-01 13:59:57	wz1000	yes, we can get the raw html from hoogle
2017-07-01 14:00:18	wz1000	which we have to convert to markup.
2017-07-01 14:00:23	alanz	but html is already a markup. I suspect hoogle has something it renders to html. we need that
2017-07-01 14:00:32	wz1000	what we do now is strip out the html tags.
2017-07-01 14:00:45	wz1000	No, I think it gets html from haddocks.
2017-07-01 14:00:56	alanz	so annotating the returned text as being "haskell" gives markup?
2017-07-01 14:01:29	alanz	well, I know haddock can spit out results in a number of formats, html, xml, etc
2017-07-01 14:01:31	wz1000	No, annotating it "haskell" makes vscode syntax highlight it as haskell
2017-07-01 14:02:01	alanz	yes, that is what I was trying to say
2017-07-01 14:02:03	wz1000	install a haskell syntax highlighting extension on vscode, and then hover over something like Map.lookup
2017-07-01 14:02:19	alanz	And I guess I need to turn on haskell syntax highlighting again
2017-07-01 14:02:34	wz1000	the usage examples etc. will all be syntax hightlighted.
2017-07-01 14:02:38	alanz	I turned it off to make sure I understood what lsp / hie was doing
2017-07-01 14:02:49	alanz	ok, will give it a go.
2017-07-01 14:03:56	alanz	yes, that does look better
2017-07-01 14:04:26	wz1000	if you notice, the name of the identifier you hover over also appears in the type signature
2017-07-01 14:04:33	alanz	If I hover over a string it shows "_ :: [Char]"
2017-07-01 14:04:39	alanz	interesting. The wildcard
2017-07-01 14:04:51	wz1000	Yeah, I added that for syntax highlighting purposes
2017-07-01 14:05:05	alanz	its nice
2017-07-01 14:05:23	wz1000	because locToRdrName doesn't return strings as symbols
2017-07-01 14:06:02	wz1000	without the something :: Type, the syntax highlighting doesn't work
2017-07-01 14:06:09	alanz	And if I hover over partitionEithers it gives the usage in context, specialised to the particular Either in use, as well as the general polymorphic sig. Which is great
2017-07-01 14:06:17	alanz	its a nice touch
2017-07-01 14:07:26	alanz	my only gripe is that the width of the display pop-up in vscode is about 2 chars too narrow for the provided text formatting
2017-07-01 14:07:37	alanz	Which is probably a setting I can tweak in vscode
2017-07-01 14:08:48	wz1000	I had to put in a hack for stuff in "containers"
2017-07-01 14:09:17	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/092e21d703c14592b78f03108adde36d42b324fb#diff-5a655777ea47d968463741fc0e8bdbfcR400
2017-07-01 14:09:38	wz1000	ghc reports the module as Data.Map/Set.Base
2017-07-01 14:10:03	wz1000	while hoogle doesn't index those modules
2017-07-01 14:10:42	wz1000	I think it would break for any package which reexports stuff from an unexposed module
2017-07-01 14:10:47	alanz	ok, they may be in base, I know there is an effort to get the base libs onto hackage, so that docs are built for them and can be cross-referenced
2017-07-01 14:11:09	wz1000	but I'm not exactly sure.
2017-07-01 14:11:14	alanz	But at the end of the day we need to try to come up with something that is solid, for the given installation
2017-07-01 14:11:27	alanz	ideally with a shared local doc db
2017-07-01 14:11:53	alanz	trouble is, you immediately step into the huge variety of individual installations
2017-07-01 14:12:18	alanz	nix, stack, cabal, windows, never on a network, always on and limited space, etc
2017-07-01 14:14:25	wz1000	btw, did you see what I did with the IdeResponse type?
2017-07-01 14:14:29	alanz	I just used the apply hint lightbulb. It is great to see
2017-07-01 14:15:14	alanz	IdeResponse, go to definition, "no definition found".
2017-07-01 14:15:36	wz1000	yeah, its defined in hie-plugin-api or something
2017-07-01 14:16:07	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/de5b384a084d7a5ce842ba56801cdd4da9f541b8#diff-61c92983a3595d41e8fc63f58373c307R352
2017-07-01 14:16:16	wz1000	hie-base
2017-07-01 14:16:17	alanz	ok, I am running codex on the root, which generates tags files, will see what that does
2017-07-01 14:16:38	wz1000	does vscode have support for tags?
2017-07-01 14:17:50	alanz	well, in my mind we should expose that via hie
2017-07-01 14:18:02	alanz	that way it works for any lsp client
2017-07-01 14:18:21	alanz	so we find/write something that can use a tags db.
2017-07-01 14:18:29	wz1000	alanz: try the document symbols thing too. I improved it quite a bit. Preferably on a file with lots of data type definitions, imports etc.
2017-07-01 14:18:48	alanz	ok, hold on. I am loving being able to use it on hie itself
2017-07-01 14:19:42	alanz	and I still need to update my plugin. Been chased off my feet the last while
2017-07-01 14:19:58	alanz	so I am still seeing dupes.
2017-07-01 14:21:53	alanz	And I must try the brittany stuff too
2017-07-01 14:23:09	alanz	which gives me an error for trying to format a fragment in the middle of a function.
2017-07-01 14:23:42	wz1000	yeah, it uses exact print to parse the fragment.
2017-07-01 14:23:58	wz1000	So I think it needs to be a whole top level decl at least.
2017-07-01 14:24:17	alanz	yes, works fine for a whole definition
2017-07-01 14:24:20	alanz	nice
2017-07-01 14:25:34	alanz	So, if I highlight a syntax fragment, we could find the nearest enclosing syntax item in the parsedSource, and then go up the tree to find something parseable, and format that.
2017-07-01 14:25:45	alanz	And/or expose more parser entry points.
2017-07-01 14:26:00	alanz	which is easy to do, but not retroactively
2017-07-01 14:26:25	alanz	The IHaskell guys needed a lot more, so from around 7.10 the available points went up quite a bit
2017-07-01 14:27:37	alanz	wz1000: what do you see as the next things to do?
2017-07-01 14:28:22	wz1000	well, what we have now needs to be polished up a lot, and there are still some major things left to implement
2017-07-01 14:28:29	wz1000	Like completion, find references.
2017-07-01 14:28:44	alanz	agree
2017-07-01 14:29:13	alanz	Do you think there is anything meaningful we can do for signature help?
2017-07-01 14:29:30	alanz	Given that we do not have say parens to trigger the context
2017-07-01 14:29:37	wz1000	the issue is with the protocol.
2017-07-01 14:29:38	wz1000	Yeah
2017-07-01 14:29:53	wz1000	we would have to trigger it on every space
2017-07-01 14:30:00	wz1000	if that is even possible
2017-07-01 14:30:25	alanz	I was thinking, if we had an online parser at the back, we could have an idea of where we are as things are being entered.
2017-07-01 14:30:52	alanz	But I think just doing a hole based thing might be a compromise.
2017-07-01 14:31:22	alanz	ie. modify the VFS source to put a "_" at the current point, compile and pull out the diagnostic
2017-07-01 14:31:37	alanz	But knowing when to trigger it could be a pain.
2017-07-01 14:31:56	alanz	It could be interesting to supply something like that as a codeAction
2017-07-01 14:32:29	alanz	triggered from the hoverRequest which gives location
2017-07-01 14:33:03	wz1000	yeah, but how do we get the correct place to put a _?
2017-07-01 14:33:14	alanz	I also think that it might be interesting at some point to experiment more with codeActions, to be able to resolve some of the common GHC warnings. Like missing / redundant imports
2017-07-01 14:33:21	wz1000	yeah.
2017-07-01 14:33:47	alanz	well, if it is a hoverRequest that triggers it, we use the Position from that
2017-07-01 14:34:32	alanz	hmm, we do not send codeAction async, if I recall.
2017-07-01 14:35:15	alanz	it goes HoverReq -> Diagnostic -> CodeAction
2017-07-01 14:35:49	alanz	or it can
2017-07-01 14:42:05	alanz	btw, these are all currently available, for brittany: https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/latest/docs/html/libraries/ghc-8.0.1/Parser.html#v:parseExpression
2017-07-01 14:43:06	wz1000	hmm, but how we know it is an expression or a decleration?
2017-07-01 14:43:12	wz1000	try each until one succeeds?
2017-07-01 14:48:58	alanz	yes, or get the ParsedSource and identify the enclosed syntax item
2017-07-01 14:49:39	alanz	in other words, we may have to find ourselves in the tree, then go up until we find something we can parse
2017-07-01 14:49:53	alanz	if that makes sense
2017-07-01 14:51:26	wz1000	ok.
2017-07-01 14:51:36	wz1000	alanz: Can a package version contail a -?
2017-07-01 14:51:55	alanz	pretty sure not.
2017-07-01 14:52:07	alanz	Best to ask that kind of question on #hackage
2017-07-01 14:52:21	alanz	which is where the cabal devs hang out
2017-07-01 14:55:47	alanz	wz1000: UnitId is defined in this module: https://github.com/ghc/ghc/blob/ghc-8.0/compiler/basicTypes/Module.hs
2017-07-01 14:56:19	wz1000	alanz: I know. I want to know the format of the underlying string.
2017-07-01 14:56:45	alanz	ok. Look in the backpack tests in the ghc source maybe?
2017-07-01 14:56:57	wz1000	Right now my best guess is <pkg-name>-<pkg-ver>-<hash> or simply <pkg-name> for wired in things
2017-07-01 14:57:55	wz1000	right now, to get the pkg name, I take all alphaName chars from the start.
2017-07-01 14:58:09	wz1000	which doesnt work for anything that contains a '-'
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2017-07-01 14:59:56	alanz	arrowsvc: I saw your image from earlier. Great.
2017-07-01 15:00:20	alanz	wz1000: I think there is a specific separator they use, but not sure what
2017-07-01 15:00:35	alanz	Why not log the thing you are getting, and take a look?
2017-07-01 15:01:03	wz1000	thats what I'm doing, but that gives me specific examples, not the spec.
2017-07-01 15:01:35	wz1000	thats how I got my first approach(take all alphanumerics)
2017-07-01 15:01:42	wz1000	which is broken
2017-07-01 15:02:18	alanz	well, use the source then, and look at the outputable instances.
2017-07-01 15:03:06	alanz	But I am not sure where you are getting them from. What is the type you get that you are trying to pull apart? Is it a string representation of one of them? 
2017-07-01 15:03:35	wz1000	I'm trying to pull apart UnitId
2017-07-01 15:04:11	wz1000	which I get from a Module
2017-07-01 15:04:15	wz1000	which I get from a Name
2017-07-01 15:04:30	wz1000	which I get from the location of the mouse pointer on hover.
2017-07-01 15:04:47	alanz	ok, and we have 
2017-07-01 15:04:51	alanz	data Module = Module {
2017-07-01 15:04:51	alanz	   moduleUnitId :: !UnitId,  -- pkg-1.0
2017-07-01 15:04:51	alanz	   moduleName :: !ModuleName  -- A.B.C
2017-07-01 15:04:52	alanz	}
2017-07-01 15:04:56	wz1000	yes
2017-07-01 15:06:08	alanz	And this is the relevant definition: https://github.com/ghc/ghc/blob/ghc-8.0/compiler/basicTypes/Module.hs#L395
2017-07-01 15:06:30	alanz	So it is just a string, which may be a hash
2017-07-01 15:06:41	alanz	What information are you trying to extract from it?
2017-07-01 15:06:56	wz1000	the pkg name
2017-07-01 15:07:05	alanz	because I think it is intended to be an installation-specific opaque type
2017-07-01 15:07:22	wz1000	I don't think it is a hash - it is the package name with the version and a hash
2017-07-01 15:07:28	alanz	That gets mapped elsewhere to the specific package
2017-07-01 15:09:23	alanz	if I look in ~/.cabal/lib/x86_64-linux-ghc-8.0.2/ I see a whole lot of things that are probably UnitIds
2017-07-01 15:09:36	wz1000	https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/8.0.1/docs/html/libraries/ghc-8.0.1/Packages.html
2017-07-01 15:09:38	alanz	e.g. wreq-0.5.0.1-45GZHQKML0CAqH4WXuCGZ
2017-07-01 15:10:48	alanz	this is stuff that changed when backpack, and cabal nix-style builds came in
2017-07-01 15:11:02	alanz	it used to be just the package name
2017-07-01 15:11:19	wz1000	and version?
2017-07-01 15:11:25	alanz	yes
2017-07-01 15:11:43	alanz	I would approximate it by discarding everything from the last "-" to the end
2017-07-01 15:12:44	alanz	but in the cabal new-build zone, you may have the same package name and version installed multiple times, either against different dependencies, or against a specific backpack module mapping each time
2017-07-01 15:13:32	alanz	so the package name and version identifies the *source* of the package, but not necessarily the exact installed version in use with the project
2017-07-01 15:13:41	alanz	Which from a docs perspective is fine
2017-07-01 15:14:11	arrowsvc	What does hie --debug do?
2017-07-01 15:14:32	alanz	it enables the other logger in MainHie, that I am thinking of stripping out
2017-07-01 15:14:49	alanz	And the intention is that it adjusts the level of logging
2017-07-01 15:15:01	arrowsvc	Other? There are two of them?
2017-07-01 15:15:20	wz1000	one in lsp, and one in hie
2017-07-01 15:15:34	alanz	yes, the original one in MainHie which goes to /tm/hie.log and the lsp-specific one
2017-07-01 15:15:43	wz1000	alanz: stripping everything from the last '-' won't work
2017-07-01 15:15:54	wz1000	https://github.com/ghc/ghc/blob/ghc-8.0/compiler/basicTypes/Module.hs#L481
2017-07-01 15:15:55	alanz	why not?
2017-07-01 15:15:55	arrowsvc	And on Windows where does it go?
2017-07-01 15:16:16	alanz	arrowsvc: it calls getTempDir, so will be platform aware
2017-07-01 15:16:34	wz1000	"template-haskell" -> "template"
2017-07-01 15:16:56	alanz	wz1000: ouch.
2017-07-01 15:17:13	alanz	Which tells me we are trying to do the wrong thing here
2017-07-01 15:17:32	alanz	Does the cabal build info not have a representation already?
2017-07-01 15:17:48	wz1000	https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/8.0.1/docs/html/libraries/ghc-8.0.1/Packages.html
2017-07-01 15:18:00	alanz	because to me the UnitId is opaque, and intended to be
2017-07-01 15:18:17	wz1000	^ this is probably what I should use
2017-07-01 15:18:41	alanz	yes, looks more like it. Then UnitId is just a key
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2017-07-01 15:29:57	alanz	arrowsvc: you can also go "hie -d -l /path/to/log.file"
2017-07-01 15:38:14	arrowd	Aha, ok, thanks.
2017-07-01 15:42:34	wz1000	alanz: fixed it- https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/6b0f4a3c01b2fea075f5351698b8705a901a31fe
2017-07-01 15:43:35	wz1000	btw, you can merge the old PR, if it looks fine to you.
2017-07-01 15:43:49	wz1000	then I'll make a new PR for the hoogle stuff.
2017-07-01 15:46:35	wz1000	also, now hovering over types in the hoogle db should bring up the docs
2017-07-01 15:52:15	wz1000	alanz: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/hoogle-5.0.12/docs/Hoogle.html
2017-07-01 15:52:23	wz1000	The Target is what we get from hoogle
2017-07-01 15:53:05	arrowd	dxld: When I run entrypoints query of cabal-helper on any HIE plugin, I get additional ChExeName "hie" entry besides expected ChLibName one. Any ideas if this is a bug or not?
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2017-07-01 18:20:37	wz1000	alanz: see https://github.com/ndmitchell/hoogle/issues/215
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2017-07-01 18:58:32	alanz	wz1000: merged the PR
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2017-07-01 18:58:36	--	Notice(GitHub184): haskell-ide-engine/master 40398df Zubin Duggal: Added support for async commands
2017-07-01 18:58:36	--	Notice(GitHub184): haskell-ide-engine/master 7f1c18a Zubin Duggal: Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine
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2017-07-01 18:58:38	--	Notice(GitHub154): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #253: Added support for textDocument/documentSymbol and async commands (master...master) https://git.io/vQ8E6
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2017-07-01 19:01:52	wz1000	don't merge this yet.
2017-07-01 19:02:15	wz1000	I just found out "stack hoogle exists"
2017-07-01 19:03:10	wz1000	running it now. Its rebuilding 241 packages
2017-07-01 19:20:18	wz1000	we can make it use the stack db if it exists.
2017-07-01 19:20:38	wz1000	alanz: ^ should solve mismatched version problems
2017-07-01 19:21:55	alanz	maybe, if it does what we expect. Which I doubt, as it will require managing a set of databases per stack resolver.
2017-07-01 19:21:59	alanz	But lets see
2017-07-01 19:22:32	alanz	And that only affects the *building* of hie, we care about what is used in the project hie is being run against.
2017-07-01 19:22:35	wz1000	alanz: I looked in the stack source. It creates a db in the .stack-work dir
2017-07-01 19:22:36	alanz	Which may be a cabal one
2017-07-01 19:22:56	alanz	my second comment still holds though
2017-07-01 19:23:43	alanz	anyway, it can improve the situation for stack users. Except you now have to exec stuff and parse output. 
2017-07-01 19:23:48	wz1000	no, we get the user to run stack hoogle if they are using stack.
2017-07-01 19:24:14	alanz	ok. But how does the hoogle we have compiled in know to use that db?
2017-07-01 19:24:18	wz1000	No, we don't exec stuff. We check if the .stack-work hoogle db exists, and use that
2017-07-01 19:24:52	alanz	ok
2017-07-01 19:25:04	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-hoogle/Haskell/Ide/HooglePlugin.hs#L84
2017-07-01 19:25:36	wz1000	instead of using the defaultDatabaseLocation, we use the stack one.
2017-07-01 19:26:25	alanz	ok
2017-07-01 19:26:28	alanz	sounds good
2017-07-01 19:27:21	wz1000	then the only case where mismatches can exist(barring cabal new-build) is in sandboxed projects
2017-07-01 19:27:59	alanz	ok
2017-07-01 19:30:44	wz1000	http://lpaste.net/356600
2017-07-01 19:31:44	wz1000	haddocks crashed :(
2017-07-01 19:35:23	wz1000	alanz: In the sandbox case, we can get the user to run a command like "cabal haddock && cabal exec hoogle -- --local --database=somedatabasefile.hoo" 
2017-07-01 19:35:42	wz1000	which is essentially what stack does.
2017-07-01 19:36:05	wz1000	and then look for somedatabasefile.hoo
2017-07-01 19:37:31	wz1000	I don't want to run this command via hie because it takes too much time and cpu, and we have no way to display progress 
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2017-07-01 20:13:13	alanz	agree
2017-07-01 20:14:23	alanz	And haddock looks for specific markup in comments, so  ‘-- $/xxx messages' seems to be the problem, the leading $
2017-07-01 20:15:08	alanz	leadng | or ^ can also cause problems. Which makes commenting out an unused guard statement a bit of a pain
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2017-07-02 00:49:25	wz1000	alanz: I fixed haskell-lsp, but hie still fails haddock because of brittany
2017-07-02 00:49:57	wz1000	I will open an issue regarding this.
2017-07-02 01:03:48	alanz	ok
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2017-07-02 11:10:34	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/38
2017-07-02 12:04:35	wz1000	brittany fails haddock because of commented out code.
2017-07-02 14:17:53	--	Notice(GitHub86): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #254: Hoogle docs in hover (master...hoogle-hover) https://git.io/vQRN9
2017-07-02 14:17:53	--	Notice(GitHub17): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/vQ0rs
2017-07-02 14:17:53	--	Notice(GitHub17): haskell-ide-engine/master de5b384 Zubin Duggal: using hoogle for hover docs/changed IdeResponse to use Either under the hood
2017-07-02 14:17:53	--	Notice(GitHub17): haskell-ide-engine/master 092e21d Zubin Duggal: improved hover cmd/hoogle integration
2017-07-02 14:17:53	--	Notice(GitHub17): haskell-ide-engine/master 6b0f4a3 Zubin Duggal: fixed hoogle to work for all packages
2017-07-02 14:32:23	alanz	wz1000: I just hovered over ValidResponse in Dispatcher.hs. It gave me a doc from the bitx-bitcoin library. I think we need to make sure we first provide docs from the current project. And I am beginning to think that hoogle can only be an "if all else fails" approach
2017-07-02 14:32:57	wz1000	I know. See the issue I opened up in hoogle
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2017-07-02 14:33:33	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/ndmitchell/hoogle/issues/215
2017-07-02 14:33:48	alanz	the thing is, hoogle is intended to be an online db to find a library/function for a particular purpose
2017-07-02 14:34:02	alanz	We are looking up the docs for a concrete usage each time
2017-07-02 14:34:19	alanz	so it should be an index lookup, not a search
2017-07-02 14:34:25	alanz	For some appropriate index
2017-07-02 14:34:39	alanz	And I suspect the one from codex might be a good start
2017-07-02 14:34:40	wz1000	hoogle has syntax for looking up in a specific package 
2017-07-02 14:35:17	wz1000	hoogle head +Data.Vector will only give results from Data.Vector
2017-07-02 14:35:17	alanz	ok. I still think their is an orientation mismatch, but do what you can
2017-07-02 14:35:40	alanz	but we then need to search through every package in the project, and all its deps?
2017-07-02 14:35:47	wz1000	But hoogle head +Data.RandomNonExistentModule will search for head in the entire db.
2017-07-02 14:36:13	wz1000	alanz: No. look at my hover request code
2017-07-02 14:36:57	wz1000	I get the symbol we are looking up, get its package and module, and pass those to hoogle.
2017-07-02 14:38:05	alanz	okok, gotcha. So it is potentially an index lookup then. And the bug in hoogle is to return something regardless, rather than giving an explicit no result found
2017-07-02 14:38:14	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/blob/hoogle-hover/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs#L404
2017-07-02 14:38:18	wz1000	yes
2017-07-02 14:38:26	alanz	ok
2017-07-02 14:39:07	wz1000	if you do hoogle functionNotInDataVector +Data.Vector, it will return no re
2017-07-02 14:39:10	wz1000	sults
2017-07-02 14:39:57	wz1000	but if you do hoogle something +ModuleNotInDb, it will search the entire db for "something"
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2017-07-02 14:48:51	alanz	ok
2017-07-02 16:13:14	wz1000	alanz: the vscode-java plugin registers commands in the vscode cmd palette
2017-07-02 16:13:34	wz1000	https://github.com/redhat-developer/vscode-java/blob/master/src/extension.ts#L153
2017-07-02 16:59:18	alanz	ok, nice to have a reference model
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2017-07-03 08:54:39	\u	A cross reference tool worth checking out https://github.com/google/haskell-indexer . I am working on an Emacs Helm plugin for it https://github.com/MaskRay/emacs-helm-kythe
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2017-07-03 10:21:52	wz1000	\u: We were just discussing this a few days ago, but realised that we would have to use kythe for any queries on the index, which would mean writing kythe bindings and so on.
2017-07-03 10:22:26	wz1000	It looks like you are using a local kythe server for queries.
2017-07-03 10:23:03	\u	Yes
2017-07-03 10:23:41	\u	The Kythe(Grok) developers are stubborn. They do not care much for Emacs/Vim integration...
2017-07-03 10:25:02	wz1000	how do people usually use kythe?
2017-07-03 10:28:41	\u	They use that for cs.chromium.org and various analyzers. But the storage models is very complicated and does not fix geeks' use case
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2017-07-03 10:28:55	\u	fit geeks' use case
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2017-07-03 10:49:55	wz1000	well, I don't think making hie interact with a seperate kythe server is practical. 
2017-07-03 10:50:22	wz1000	I think there are simpler ways of achieving the same functionality
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2017-07-03 12:25:02	alanz	wz1000: I agree
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2017-07-03 17:39:43	wz1000	alanz: ping
2017-07-03 17:39:58	alanz	hi
2017-07-03 17:40:39	wz1000	hi. are you free for a bit?
2017-07-03 17:41:52	alanz	yes
2017-07-03 17:41:57	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/31a834e29766f459a68f538e0c1cbebfca788ab2
2017-07-03 17:42:40	wz1000	can you run cabal haddock --hoogle on a small project?
2017-07-03 17:43:04	alanz	ok, hold on. That commit looks fine, btw
2017-07-03 17:44:40	wz1000	Arch needs all haskell packages to be compiled with -dynamic for cabal to work, but haddock breaks on that flag for some reason.
2017-07-03 17:44:59	alanz	oops
2017-07-03 17:46:04	alanz	just getting a cabal project configured. Installing deps.
2017-07-03 17:46:36	alanz	ok, ran the cabal haddock thing. What now?
2017-07-03 17:46:51	wz1000	did you get a .hoo file somewhere?
2017-07-03 17:46:55	wz1000	maybe in dist/
2017-07-03 17:47:10	wz1000	It might be a .txt
2017-07-03 17:47:26	alanz	looking ..
2017-07-03 17:48:25	alanz	There is a .txt in the doc dir, with some hoogle stuff on top
2017-07-03 17:48:48	wz1000	damn. I don't think the new version of hoogle supports that.
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2017-07-03 17:48:58	alanz	http://lpaste.net/2265689493107376128
2017-07-03 17:49:10	alanz	that is the top of the file
2017-07-03 17:49:48	alanz	in dist/doc/html/mira_log_gen/
2017-07-03 17:50:05	alanz	where mira-log-gen is the name of the cabal file
2017-07-03 17:50:22	alanz	but all "-", no "_"
2017-07-03 17:50:32	alanz	in the file path too, I mean
2017-07-03 17:52:10	wz1000	are you in a sandbox?
2017-07-03 17:53:48	alanz	no, straight cabal-1.24.02
2017-07-03 17:54:22	alanz	trying in ghc-exactprint
2017-07-03 17:54:23	wz1000	in a sandboxed project, can you run cabal exec hoogle -- -l --database=hiehoogledb.hoo
2017-07-03 17:54:28	alanz	btw, using GHC-8.0.2
2017-07-03 17:54:52	wz1000	then try hovering with my latest commit on hoogle-hover
2017-07-03 17:55:16	alanz	I get "Error, database does not exist (run 'hoogle generate' first)"
2017-07-03 17:55:37	alanz	how do I create it in that location?
2017-07-03 17:55:46	wz1000	cabal exec hoogle generate ...
2017-07-03 17:55:48	wz1000	sorry
2017-07-03 17:55:55	wz1000	missed that work
2017-07-03 17:56:22	wz1000	*word
2017-07-03 17:56:40	alanz	ok, doing it without the cabal exec.
2017-07-03 17:56:45	alanz	Will restart.
2017-07-03 17:56:52	wz1000	with cabal exec.
2017-07-03 17:57:09	wz1000	cabal exec hoogle -- -l --database=hiehoogledb.hoo
2017-07-03 17:57:30	wz1000	and I think you would need haddock generated too
2017-07-03 17:57:38	wz1000	so run cabal haddock before.
2017-07-03 17:57:42	alanz	that is the one that complains the db does not exist
2017-07-03 17:57:54	wz1000	cabal exec hoogle generate -- -l --database=hiehoogledb.hoo
2017-07-03 17:58:31	alanz	doing that. What does -l do?
2017-07-03 17:58:55	alanz	local only :)
2017-07-03 17:58:57	wz1000	makes the db for local packages
2017-07-03 17:59:11	wz1000	instead of from hackage
2017-07-03 17:59:32	wz1000	I think you would need haddock documentation generated before running that.
2017-07-03 17:59:49	alanz	ok, it generated a local file and empty warning file
2017-07-03 18:00:04	alanz	With same format as the main one. 
2017-07-03 18:00:40	wz1000	cool. Now try hoogle --database=hiehoogledb.hoo <someFuncFromProject>
2017-07-03 18:02:57	alanz	no result. should it be cabal exec hoogle ...
2017-07-03 18:03:30	wz1000	I don't think so. Is the function exposed?
2017-07-03 18:03:52	wz1000	and do you have haddock generated?
2017-07-03 18:05:52	alanz	yes, on both. It seems to find stuff that is not in the project.
2017-07-03 18:05:57	alanz	But not things that are.
2017-07-03 18:06:46	alanz	but let me try another project, hold on
2017-07-03 18:06:48	wz1000	can you send me the stuff it spewed out while generating?
2017-07-03 18:08:00	alanz	I am going to do it for ghc-exactprint, and will do that. Hold on
2017-07-03 18:09:03	alanz	just waiting for haddock to finish
2017-07-03 18:10:24	alanz	See http://lpaste.net/2265689493107376128
2017-07-03 18:11:39	alanz	and it does not pick up any of the local packages in it.
2017-07-03 18:11:46	wz1000	alanz: that is the same link you sent earlier.
2017-07-03 18:11:48	alanz	I suspect it only builds for the deps
2017-07-03 18:12:03	alanz	http://lpaste.net/7481724646132285440
2017-07-03 18:12:06	alanz	sorry
2017-07-03 18:12:18	alanz	copy/paste trouble
2017-07-03 18:13:49	wz1000	http://lpaste.net/356645
2017-07-03 18:14:04	wz1000	That is what stack exec does. I was hoping cabal exec worked the same way.
2017-07-03 18:17:13	alanz	but that is just external packages?
2017-07-03 18:17:30	alanz	which is what I get for the cabal usage
2017-07-03 18:17:57	alanz	what project is that for?
2017-07-03 18:18:22	wz1000	no that indexes the project I call it in too.
2017-07-03 18:18:48	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/HMat
2017-07-03 18:20:33	wz1000	http://lpaste.net/356646
2017-07-03 18:20:36	alanz	ok.
2017-07-03 18:20:52	alanz	interesting. 
2017-07-03 18:20:58	wz1000	https://github.com/bgamari/hoogle-index
2017-07-03 18:21:09	wz1000	I wonder if this still works.
2017-07-03 18:22:55	alanz	This is another approach: https://github.com/leksah/leksah-server
2017-07-03 18:25:37	alanz	except it needs GHC 7.10.3
2017-07-03 18:26:03	alanz	hamishmack: when will leksah support later GHC?
2017-07-03 18:26:26	hamishmack	?
2017-07-03 18:26:58	hamishmack	What makes you think it needs 7.10.3?
2017-07-03 18:27:08	alanz	I just tried to cabal install it with GHC 8.0.2, complains about base being too modern
2017-07-03 18:27:22	hamishmack	Oh the version in hackage is very old
2017-07-03 18:27:30	alanz	but doing "cabal install leksah --with-compiler=ghc-7.10.3" works
2017-07-03 18:27:50	alanz	time for a new release? :)
2017-07-03 18:28:08	hamishmack	Due to this… https://github.com/haskell-gi/haskell-gi/issues/107
2017-07-03 18:28:12	alanz	can it be used as a doc server for a project?
2017-07-03 18:29:19	alanz	hmm, interesting issue. 
2017-07-03 18:29:36	alanz	Features designed to make life easier end up chewing up compilation time
2017-07-03 18:30:15	hamishmack	IIRC leksah-server only runs the collection process.  The symbol lookup is done in process in leksah itself
2017-07-03 18:30:18	alanz	but I think I have asked before, leksah keeps a db of documentation etc?
2017-07-03 18:30:45	alanz	ok, and how easy would it be to access this from outside leksah? 
2017-07-03 18:31:06	alanz	Given the doc generator is running. Or is it all intertwined?
2017-07-03 18:31:26	alanz	I am hoping for something like the scion thing that used to exist.
2017-07-03 18:31:33	alanz	As we discussed before, iirc
2017-07-03 18:32:54	hamishmack	I think it might be a bit tricky
2017-07-03 18:33:56	alanz	ok, I seem to recall you saying that before.
2017-07-03 18:34:34	hamishmack	BTW best way to install leksah right now is to follow the instructions here https://github.com/leksah/leksah#installation
2017-07-03 18:34:51	alanz	ok, will give it a try
2017-07-03 18:35:27	hamishmack	I have spent the last couple of days adding “projects” as a concept to Leksah
2017-07-03 18:35:51	alanz	like a stack project, or cabal.project?
2017-07-03 18:36:00	hamishmack	So it can work better with cabal new-build and stack
2017-07-03 18:36:05	hamishmack	Yes
2017-07-03 18:36:10	alanz	sounds good
2017-07-03 18:36:34	alanz	btw, is ghcjs still getting attention?
2017-07-03 18:36:59	hamishmack	The version in github just infers the project by looking for a stck.yaml or cabal.project for the given package
2017-07-03 18:37:04	hamishmack	Yes
2017-07-03 18:37:16	alanz	ok.
2017-07-03 18:37:30	hamishmack	Luite is working on some deep performance stuff I think
2017-07-03 18:37:33	alanz	hie delegates the project identification to ghc-mod(core)
2017-07-03 18:37:48	alanz	nice, because it has gone very quiet on that front
2017-07-03 18:38:19	alanz	Would be good for him to put out a blog post or somethin, even if just to say "I'm still here, doing this"
2017-07-03 18:38:49	alanz	But maybe I am just not really paying attention
2017-07-03 18:40:05	 *	alanz afk
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2017-07-03 18:58:23	wz1000	alanz: can you try hoogle generate --local=<dir> on a project you have ran cabal haddock --hoogle on?
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2017-07-03 19:10:46	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/39
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2017-07-03 20:14:35	alanz	wz1000: That local one bombs out on ghc-exactprint, which has different directories to be used for the different compilers, and a whole lot of test data files
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2017-07-03 22:55:48	wz1000	alanz: can you try it on something simple?
2017-07-03 23:12:30	alanz	wz1000: yes, what do you need?
2017-07-03 23:14:01	wz1000	cabal haddock --hoogle; hoogle generate --local=. --database=hiehoogledb.hoo
2017-07-03 23:18:08	alanz	ok, hold on
2017-07-03 23:20:28	alanz	wz1000: That now shows up local things
2017-07-03 23:20:51	alanz	e.g. cabal haddock --hoogle; hoogle generate --local=. --database=hiehoogledb.hoo
2017-07-03 23:20:54	alanz	hoogle   --database=hiehoogledb.hoo LogLine
2017-07-03 23:21:00	alanz	that second one
2017-07-03 23:21:10	alanz	gives LogLine occurences in the project
2017-07-03 23:21:17	wz1000	nice. If you run the latest hie on that, it should show local hoogle docs.
2017-07-03 23:21:26	alanz	ok, let me try
2017-07-03 23:21:56	wz1000	alanz: my hoogle-hover branch
2017-07-03 23:22:22	alanz	yes, running that
2017-07-03 23:23:27	alanz	hmm. It is a stack project, I generated a cabal dist dir, and I get this in vscode:
2017-07-03 23:24:22	alanz	http://lpaste.net/5611176220180873216
2017-07-03 23:29:09	wz1000	alanz: did you get get the ghc-mod diagnostics?
2017-07-03 23:29:39	wz1000	Did it crash before a hover, or after?
2017-07-03 23:29:39	alanz	not sure, let me run it again
2017-07-03 23:30:41	alanz	generating ghc-mod errors as expected, going to hover ...\
2017-07-03 23:30:56	alanz	it dies on Hover
2017-07-03 23:31:23	wz1000	It should be dying, but I know how to fix it.
2017-07-03 23:31:28	wz1000	*shouldn't
2017-07-03 23:32:32	alanz	ok, FYI I removed .stack-work and renamed stack.yaml, still get the same result
2017-07-03 23:32:44	alanz	Except no statement about using the dist dir
2017-07-03 23:41:05	wz1000	alanz: try it with my latest master branch
2017-07-03 23:41:17	alanz	ok, hold on
2017-07-03 23:43:49	alanz	that works :)
2017-07-03 23:44:45	wz1000	for some reason looking up the symbols unitid in the packagedb was failing.
2017-07-03 23:45:04	wz1000	does hoogle work on local stuff?
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2017-07-03 23:46:34	alanz	yes, that is what I tested
2017-07-03 23:46:44	wz1000	nice.
2017-07-03 23:46:45	alanz	local as in in the project itself
2017-07-03 23:46:58	wz1000	and its building via cabal or stack?
2017-07-03 23:47:02	alanz	step by step ...
2017-07-03 23:47:22	alanz	That was with cabal
2017-07-03 23:49:37	alanz	the stack version is giving junk (via hie)
2017-07-03 23:49:58	wz1000	what kind of junk?
2017-07-03 23:50:28	alanz	oops, I was in the wrong project
2017-07-03 23:50:56	alanz	Junk in that I was hovering on LogLine, it gave me a LogLine from some package I have never heard of
2017-07-03 23:52:10	alanz	and when I switch to the project that I had setup as cabal, but is now stack, it gives the same incorrect answer
2017-07-03 23:52:30	alanz	But I guess it has not built a stack-aware db. Location is different etc
2017-07-03 23:52:54	wz1000	I don't understand.
2017-07-03 23:53:02	wz1000	Which project did you start hie with?
2017-07-03 23:54:05	alanz	I have two projects, and the one uses the other. 
2017-07-03 23:54:35	alanz	So I am now working with the source one, which was working well when I had removed stack.yaml, and had a dist dir
2017-07-03 23:54:59	alanz	I reinstated the stack.yaml, deleted dist, and it now gives a wrong result
2017-07-03 23:55:14	wz1000	to build the hoogle db for usage with stack, run stack hoogle
2017-07-03 23:55:21	alanz	And I presume the "stack exec hoogle ....." thing normally puts the db somewhere else?
2017-07-03 23:55:35	alanz	what is the exact command? 
2017-07-03 23:55:39	wz1000	"stack hoogle"
2017-07-03 23:55:44	alanz	ok, hold on
2017-07-03 23:56:43	wz1000	We can use showMessage or something to tell the user the exact incantation if the db isn't found.
2017-07-03 23:56:47	alanz	5/15 ...
2017-07-03 23:56:57	alanz	ok. Or offer to run it?
2017-07-03 23:58:34	wz1000	I don't think that is a good idea. try running stack hoogle on hie. It takes forever, uses multiple gigs of ram, the entire cpu and eventually fails.
2017-07-04 00:00:00	alanz	ok
2017-07-04 00:00:27	alanz	and after running "stack hoogle" on the project it now gives the correct answer
2017-07-04 00:00:49	wz1000	nice.
2017-07-04 00:00:59	alanz	And once the bug is fixed in hoogle we will give an empty result rather than a wrong one?
2017-07-04 00:01:09	wz1000	yes, hopefully.
2017-07-04 00:01:16	alanz	ok
2017-07-04 00:01:29	wz1000	I haven't got a response on the issue yet
2017-07-04 00:01:47	alanz	Well, he is busy and has a lot of code in his care
2017-07-04 00:02:00	alanz	but is normally pretty good about responding
2017-07-04 00:02:18	alanz	I was just thinking, hoogle is designed as a search engine, and makes an index
2017-07-04 00:02:33	alanz	But we know what we want, so almost need a different API onto it
2017-07-04 00:02:55	alanz	a straight lookup, rather than a search
2017-07-04 00:03:25	wz1000	hmm. does anything like that exist? 
2017-07-04 00:03:46	alanz	It might be worth opening an issue to discuss that. Or add a comment to the existing one
2017-07-04 00:03:48	wz1000	We narrow it down to the specific package and module before we hand it to hoogle anyway
2017-07-04 00:04:51	alanz	exactly
2017-07-04 00:05:13	wz1000	maybe we can reuse the hoogle db itself.
2017-07-04 00:05:37	wz1000	Write something ourselves to do exact lookups on the db instead of searches.
2017-07-04 00:05:44	alanz	exactly. So a different API exposed from hoogle
2017-07-04 00:05:53	alanz	because it belongs inside hoogle
2017-07-04 00:06:13	wz1000	hmm. but we do pass the "is:exact" option to hoogle.
2017-07-04 00:06:17	alanz	so it can update as the db changes
2017-07-04 00:06:37	alanz	well, maybe it just needs to be beaten into shape then
2017-07-04 00:07:01	alanz	The point is it is a lookup, not a search
2017-07-04 00:07:49	wz1000	ok, I'll dive into hoogle to try to figure it out.
2017-07-04 00:09:38	alanz	great
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2017-07-04 22:55:01	arrowsvc	Hum. After updating to latest HIE, it stopped answering requests on stdio.
2017-07-04 22:55:30	arrowsvc	Not sure yet if it is on KDevelop side, but I haven't changed anything related there.
2017-07-04 23:01:27	arrowsvc	Yeah, my side, sorry for the noise.
2017-07-04 23:25:33	arrowsvc	HIE request:  "{\n    \"cmd\": \"build:isConfigured\",\n    \"params\": {\n        \"mode\": {\n            \"text\": \"stack\"\n        }\n    }\n}\n"
2017-07-04 23:25:35	arrowsvc	HIE error:  "Downloading nightly-2017-06-16 build plan ...\r\nDownloaded nightly-2017-06-16 build plan.
2017-07-04 23:25:49	arrowsvc	Any idea what's going on?
2017-07-04 23:33:38	alanz	arrowsvc: that looks like some stderr output that you are picking up, perhaps
2017-07-04 23:33:52	alanz	Or stdout from stack.
2017-07-04 23:34:38	alanz	Looks like first run of a stack build for a project where the snapshot has never been seen on the machine
2017-07-04 23:35:31	arrowsvc	Nope, it is me messed with env and stack got totally confused.
2017-07-04 23:36:36	arrowsvc	Yeah, fixed. Whew. That env stuff is nasty.
2017-07-04 23:37:33	alanz	agree
2017-07-05 01:35:01	wz1000	alanz: I've patched hoogle for the no result case.
2017-07-05 01:36:02	wz1000	but I don't think doing lookups instead of searches is feasible without significant effort.
2017-07-05 01:36:48	alanz	ok. Maybe we should make an issue anyway, and see what ndm says about it
2017-07-05 01:37:08	wz1000	As far as I can tell, the data isn't stored in a hierarchical manner in the db.
2017-07-05 01:37:30	alanz	ok. 
2017-07-05 01:37:38	wz1000	the modules, packages, and functions are all stored seperately using some kind of typeable magic.
2017-07-05 01:38:08	alanz	Maybe we should think of using codex, but that points to the original source
2017-07-05 01:38:38	alanz	And has some issues opened about not indexing subprojects
2017-07-05 01:39:23	wz1000	so when it finds a symbol, it checks its package/module to decide whether to include it in results, instead of looking up a symbol in a particular module/package.
2017-07-05 01:39:34	wz1000	but does codex get docs?
2017-07-05 01:41:15	alanz	no, that is the problem
2017-07-05 01:41:59	alanz	So maybe the approach to take is to use the hoogle machinery to assemble all the info, but to write it to a separate db, organised more by lookup
2017-07-05 01:42:15	alanz	Or even just an additional index, into the existing db
2017-07-05 01:44:58	wz1000	also, hoogle had a bug where any packages containing uppercase letters would not be recognised. Like QuickCheck, HaRe etc.
2017-07-05 01:45:05	wz1000	I fixed that too.
2017-07-05 01:46:18	alanz	ok, nice
2017-07-05 01:46:28	alanz	and made a PR, I presume
2017-07-05 01:46:44	wz1000	not yet.
2017-07-05 01:46:51	wz1000	I just pushed my changes.
2017-07-05 01:47:01	alanz	ok, but when you are happy with it
2017-07-05 01:47:15	alanz	This stuff spreads out to touch a lot of things.
2017-07-05 02:13:15	wz1000	alanz: Try my master branch. hoogle should never give wrong results now.
2017-07-05 02:13:33	alanz	ok
2017-07-05 02:15:22	alanz	being able to set up a dep as a repo and commit is a really good feature in stack
2017-07-05 02:15:53	wz1000	yeah. It is in new build too, I think?
2017-07-05 02:20:22	alanz	not yet, but one of the stretch goals for the HSOC project
2017-07-05 02:20:33	alanz	so I am holding thumbs
2017-07-05 02:20:56	alanz	And I am no longer getting erroneous info, with your branch. 
2017-07-05 02:21:10	alanz	Just need to try the other project too to confirm
2017-07-05 02:22:38	alanz	yes, gives no result when there is none, rather than something unrelated. So progress.
2017-07-05 02:27:26	wz1000	nice.
2017-07-05 02:27:31	wz1000	Now, what next.
2017-07-05 02:27:33	wz1000	?
2017-07-05 02:28:35	wz1000	we have completion, references, signature help and on type formatting unimplemented from LSP.
2017-07-05 02:29:17	wz1000	And we can add many more code actions.
2017-07-05 02:30:20	alanz	I think references might be quite straightforward to do, using the HaRe namemap to see if it is the same var 
2017-07-05 02:31:01	alanz	Signature help is not something I am convinced can work reliably for haskell.
2017-07-05 02:31:41	wz1000	but we would have to traverse the entire ast for every file in the project.
2017-07-05 02:31:50	alanz	for references?
2017-07-05 02:31:55	wz1000	yes
2017-07-05 02:32:40	alanz	ok, gotcha. We alrady have symbol highlight
2017-07-05 02:32:57	alanz	References could come out of a tags file
2017-07-05 02:33:09	wz1000	we don't have symbol highlight.
2017-07-05 02:33:30	wz1000	though that should be easier to implement.
2017-07-05 02:33:53	alanz	yes, that is the one I was thinking of
2017-07-05 02:34:04	alanz	could be useful, especially if there is name shadowing
2017-07-05 02:34:32	wz1000	hmm. is there a way to get a list of all the names in the ast?
2017-07-05 02:34:43	wz1000	Or will I have to traverse it manually?
2017-07-05 02:34:48	alanz	the Read and Write types make more sense in a mutable variable environment
2017-07-05 02:35:03	wz1000	we can use that for definition/usage
2017-07-05 02:35:26	alanz	well, you need the locations, so I think you would have to traverse. Except, the nameMap is a map of location to Name :)
2017-07-05 02:36:00	alanz	so a scan through that, or just invert it once on parse and then lookup directly
2017-07-05 02:36:12	alanz	if that makes sense to you
2017-07-05 02:36:27	wz1000	so I can convert the nameMap to a list and scan through that?
2017-07-05 02:37:17	alanz	I would convert it to a list and then call Map.fromListWith (++), to turn it into a thing indexed by Name, containing lists of SrcSpan
2017-07-05 02:37:28	wz1000	nice.
2017-07-05 02:37:36	alanz	that is what I mean by inverting it
2017-07-05 02:38:16	alanz	so instead of Map SrcPan Name, we end up with Map Name [SrcSpan]
2017-07-05 02:38:24	wz1000	yeah. 
2017-07-05 02:38:35	wz1000	does that include the declaration itself?
2017-07-05 02:38:45	wz1000	it does.
2017-07-05 02:38:49	alanz	And the name itself records the definition site
2017-07-05 02:39:00	alanz	All Names in the parsedSource
2017-07-05 02:39:36	wz1000	nice. So we can make the definition srcspan write and the rest read.
2017-07-05 02:39:46	alanz	yes
2017-07-05 02:40:08	alanz	For Var types.
2017-07-05 02:40:24	alanz	Text for type vars, constructors etc. Maybe
2017-07-05 02:42:12	alanz	And at some point we can start playing with codeLens/codeAction
2017-07-05 02:42:53	alanz	Especially codeActions corresponding to fixups from the diagnostics we gut.
2017-07-05 02:43:17	alanz	e.g. removing unused import, adding missing import, adding missing Pragma, etc
2017-07-05 02:45:18	wz1000	hmm, hoogle doesn't index GHC.Base
2017-07-05 02:45:48	alanz	because it is not in hackage?
2017-07-05 02:46:55	wz1000	it is, but it doesn't have haddock generated for it.
2017-07-05 02:48:44	alanz	ok. I think that haddock ships with the GHC itself
2017-07-05 02:48:59	alanz	So hoogle should be able to dig out the info from that\
2017-07-05 02:49:30	alanz	Does it work from the html output, or does it run haddock specifically?
2017-07-05 02:49:52	wz1000	I don't know.
2017-07-05 02:49:55	alanz	I would expect hoogle to download a file with the GHC base stuff, tbh
2017-07-05 02:50:12	wz1000	This is actually a more general problem with our hoogle lookups
2017-07-05 02:50:28	wz1000	we give hoogle the exact module the name is from.
2017-07-05 02:50:43	alanz	and?
2017-07-05 02:50:54	wz1000	But if the symbol is reexported from a different module, and the docs are in that module, the hoogle lookup fails.
2017-07-05 02:51:27	alanz	ok. 
2017-07-05 02:51:37	wz1000	So if you hover over return, we will generate a hoogle query that looks in GHC.Base
2017-07-05 02:51:50	wz1000	Even though its imported from Prelude, and thats where the docs are.
2017-07-05 02:52:14	alanz	To me it seems hoogle has too many issues, in terms of making the db, keeping it up to date, making sure you use an appropriate one per package, etc
2017-07-05 02:52:59	alanz	And it might be better to do something else.
2017-07-05 02:53:20	wz1000	this would be problem with any doc lookup mechanism.
2017-07-05 02:53:47	wz1000	we tell it to look in GHC.Base, but the docs are actually somewhere else.
2017-07-05 02:53:47	alanz	One option is to see what we can get from stackage/hackage,in terms of prebuild docs that we can maybe bundle up and bring down
2017-07-05 02:54:25	alanz	in terms of doc lookup, it is about defining an index from the thing we get out of the name, and the docs
2017-07-05 02:54:44	alanz	In the worst case there are some exceptions we have to add rules for.
2017-07-05 02:55:09	wz1000	I've already added some custom rules for stuff in containers.
2017-07-05 02:55:29	alanz	But ideally I would like to see us eventually having precomputed files we can download from a well-known location for the packages
2017-07-05 02:55:57	alanz	and then supplement with project-specific stuff
2017-07-05 02:56:48	alanz	And of course when you dive into the detail you discover compilation options in cabal flags, and compiler specific stuff via CPP
2017-07-05 02:57:50	alanz	so "standard" docs become harder
2017-07-05 02:59:33	wz1000	I think stack hoogle, cabal haddock --hoogle solve that problem.
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2017-07-05 02:59:41	alanz	ok
2017-07-05 03:00:33	wz1000	Haskell does need a solid doc lookup tool though.
2017-07-05 03:00:58	alanz	btw, we can consider using snippets for completion when we get to it, to enable expanding cases via ghc-mod split etc
2017-07-05 03:01:59	alanz	I agree. And I believe it needs to be done as a first-class thing, rather than trying to cobble together existing stuff somehow
2017-07-05 03:02:56	alanz	So thinking about it, and what kind of lookup is required, and how it will be kept in sync, and made to match a project, and not explode into dozens of copies in every .stack-work, ....
2017-07-05 03:04:19	alanz	Anyway, work in the morning, time for bed
2017-07-05 03:04:26	wz1000	even though I hate the language, java(eclipse, intellij etc) does it pretty well.
2017-07-05 03:05:10	alanz	well, they have been around for 20 years, supported by mega corporations, lots of manpower ...
2017-07-05 03:05:24	alanz	but we can learn from the approaches
2017-07-05 03:05:39	alanz	And also look at what e.g. rust is doing
2017-07-05 03:06:09	alanz	I am sure there are various doc management for ide things out there. Ask arrowsvc re the KDE stuff, for example
2017-07-05 03:06:19	wz1000	I think haskell is older than java :)
2017-07-05 03:06:52	alanz	yes, but initially just a research language. Java hit the ground big
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2017-07-05 11:53:42	alanz	wz1000: See https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1
2017-07-05 11:53:52	alanz	and the discussion on your issue on brittany
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2017-07-05 19:49:03	--	Notice(GitHub60): [haskell-ide-engine] lspitzner opened pull request #256: brittany plugin: Enable syntactic extensions by default (master...brittanyplugin) https://git.io/vQ2hV
2017-07-05 20:10:51	--	Notice(GitHub129): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #257: Add support for DocumentHighlight; improve FindDef, HoverReq; cleanup. (master...master) https://git.io/vQafZ
2017-07-05 20:10:58	wz1000	alanz: ^
2017-07-05 20:11:24	alanz	wz1000: looking 
2017-07-05 20:20:07	alanz	looks good. Been busy
2017-07-05 20:20:28	alanz	will merge when CI passes
2017-07-05 20:22:40	wz1000	it failed.
2017-07-05 20:23:25	alanz	oops. I just realised you are not on the hie repo, just invited you
2017-07-05 20:23:48	alanz	and please look at the brittany pr on it too, and approve/merge it if you are happy.
2017-07-05 20:41:22	alanz	wz1000: yay, anti-name shadowing support. Shows the right ones only, just tested by putting an additional defn in
2017-07-05 20:42:20	alanz	codeAction addition: remove "defined but not used" stuff if asked to
2017-07-05 20:44:05	alanz	This is starting to feel like something useful.
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2017-07-05 21:50:58	wz1000	alanz: if you highlight some characters, does vscode highlight those chars in every other word too?
2017-07-05 21:51:43	wz1000	because I had to make change the setting "editor.selectionHighlight" to false to make it stop doing that.
2017-07-05 21:53:11	wz1000	btw, CI passed.
2017-07-05 21:55:48	--	Notice(GitHub76): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 closed pull request #256: brittany plugin: Enable syntactic extensions by default (master...brittanyplugin) https://git.io/vQ2hV
2017-07-05 21:55:58	--	Notice(GitHub35): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 reopened pull request #256: brittany plugin: Enable syntactic extensions by default (master...brittanyplugin) https://git.io/vQ2hV
2017-07-05 21:56:05	wz1000	oops
2017-07-05 21:57:39	--	Notice(GitHub76): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vQacs
2017-07-05 21:57:40	--	Notice(GitHub76): haskell-ide-engine/master 47a949f Lennart Spitzner: brittany plugin: Enable syntactic extensions by default
2017-07-05 21:57:40	--	Notice(GitHub76): haskell-ide-engine/master 19ec8de wz1000: Merge pull request #256 from lspitzner/brittanyplugin...
2017-07-05 21:57:40	--	Notice(GitHub58): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 closed pull request #256: brittany plugin: Enable syntactic extensions by default (master...brittanyplugin) https://git.io/vQ2hV
2017-07-05 23:24:47	alanz	wz1000: re highlight: yes it does highlight selected chars, but in a very faint colour
2017-07-05 23:28:01	--	Notice(GitHub46): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #257: Add support for DocumentHighlight; improve FindDef, HoverReq; cleanup. (master...master) https://git.io/vQafZ
2017-07-05 23:28:02	--	Notice(GitHub106): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #255: Hoogle hover - using stack/user generated local db (master...hoogle-hover) https://git.io/vQutf
2017-07-05 23:28:06	--	Notice(GitHub140): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 9 new commits to master: https://git.io/vQaz7
2017-07-05 23:28:06	--	Notice(GitHub140): haskell-ide-engine/master 31a834e Zubin Duggal: Use hoogle db generated by stack
2017-07-05 23:28:06	--	Notice(GitHub140): haskell-ide-engine/master 45d5f7b Zubin Duggal: improve windows compatibility
2017-07-05 23:28:06	--	Notice(GitHub140): haskell-ide-engine/master 314abe9 Zubin Duggal: Merge branch 'hoogle-hover'
2017-07-05 23:28:19	wz1000	for me they were almost indistinguishable from the hie highlights.
2017-07-05 23:29:12	wz1000	maybe because I'm colorblind.
2017-07-05 23:34:16	wz1000	hmm, ci on my hoogle pr failed for the third time, but this time it doesn't seem to be my fault.
2017-07-05 23:35:09	wz1000	And the travis build log isn't loading for me
2017-07-05 23:35:13	wz1000	https://travis-ci.org/ndmitchell/hoogle/jobs/250445277
2017-07-05 23:37:06	alanz	There is a timeout on travis, enable circleci instead
2017-07-05 23:37:30	alanz	See https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/circle.yml
2017-07-05 23:37:54	alanz	And https://circleci.com/gh/haskell/haskell-ide-engine
2017-07-05 23:38:02	wz1000	strange, the ones that succeded show the build log just fine.
2017-07-05 23:38:39	alanz	I have had weird issue with not seeing travis build logs, and hitting timeouts
2017-07-05 23:38:41	wz1000	I haven't enabled ci for hoogle. It is running via the PR.
2017-07-05 23:38:49	alanz	So I use circle now
2017-07-05 23:38:53	wz1000	https://travis-ci.org/ndmitchell/hoogle/builds/250445276?utm_source=github_status&utm_medium=notification
2017-07-05 23:39:09	alanz	It doesn't support the matrix option from travis, but at least it builds
2017-07-05 23:39:23	wz1000	Can you see the logs for the first two in that?
2017-07-05 23:39:50	alanz	yes, for the first. hold on
2017-07-05 23:40:24	alanz	Does this work for you: https://api.travis-ci.org/jobs/250445279/log.txt?deansi=true
2017-07-05 23:40:56	alanz	And https://api.travis-ci.org/jobs/250445279/log.txt?deansi=true
2017-07-05 23:41:40	alanz	hmm, those URLs are the same, but are for 842.1 and 842.2
2017-07-05 23:41:57	alanz	824.1, 824.2
2017-07-05 23:42:28	alanz	wz1000: src/Output/Tags.hs:147:66: Not in scope: ‘<$>’
2017-07-05 23:42:28	alanz	neil: Failed when running system command: cabal build
2017-07-05 23:42:40	wz1000	got it. thanks.
2017-07-05 23:43:04	wz1000	appveyor also failed because of some weird windows permission error
2017-07-05 23:43:05	alanz	fyi neil is a command to do stuff, all ndm utils
2017-07-05 23:43:13	wz1000	https://ci.appveyor.com/project/ndmitchell/hoogle/build/1.0.221
2017-07-05 23:44:01	alanz	strange
2017-07-05 23:44:18	alanz	it is that new utility, weeder
2017-07-05 23:44:31	wz1000	no, it fails before that.
2017-07-05 23:44:35	alanz	which could have some corner cases that don't work yet
2017-07-05 23:44:47	wz1000	btw, we can probably use that for diagnostics.
2017-07-05 23:45:40	alanz	weeder? agree
2017-07-05 23:45:46	wz1000	it failed during stack build.
2017-07-05 23:45:59	alanz	but maybe as an on-demand thing
2017-07-05 23:46:47	wz1000	I replaced <$> with fmap and hlint is telling me to put <$> back.
2017-07-05 23:47:16	alanz	hlint is aimed at later versions of GHC
2017-07-05 23:47:40	wz1000	and the first ci failure I got was because there was an hlint suggestion.
2017-07-05 23:47:42	alanz	Otherwise make an include of Control.Applicative or whatever for the earlier compiler versions
2017-07-05 23:48:20	alanz	It is related to the AMP, I think
2017-07-06 00:05:32	wz1000	the ghc 7.6.3 ci build finished *much* faster than the rest.
2017-07-06 00:07:02	alanz	yes, ghc has been getting slower and slower.
2017-07-06 00:07:20	alanz	But the 8.2 should be faster, and hopefully 8.4 faster still
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2017-07-06 12:21:36	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/6f7136fc435bb824386abcf25b39041b02125d18
2017-07-06 12:23:57	alanz	wz1000: Having extensible state is good.
2017-07-06 12:24:11	alanz	I am just concerned about each plugin redoing the same work
2017-07-06 12:24:24	alanz	e.g. the inverted namemap
2017-07-06 12:24:58	wz1000	yeah, so that is now cached.
2017-07-06 12:25:15	alanz	It is almost as if we should keep it in the state, but for all plugins, and compute it when stale or when first requested
2017-07-06 12:25:30	wz1000	that is exactly what I am doing here.
2017-07-06 12:25:30	alanz	ok, globally for all plugins?
2017-07-06 12:25:42	wz1000	No, for each type.
2017-07-06 12:25:49	alanz	ok, the representation of the diff is bad, wall of red, wall of green
2017-07-06 12:25:57	alanz	"type"?
2017-07-06 12:26:16	alanz	ok, gotcha, extensible state type
2017-07-06 12:26:20	wz1000	yeah, if two plugins share the same cache type, then they will share the cache
2017-07-06 12:26:20	alanz	So inherent shareing
2017-07-06 12:26:21	alanz	great
2017-07-06 12:26:36	alanz	nice
2017-07-06 12:26:46	alanz	This thing is coming along nicely
2017-07-06 12:27:02	wz1000	and its not really a state-like thing - its more like a pure-ish cache
2017-07-06 12:27:20	alanz	btw, I am going to be afk for a large chunk of today, starting in about half an hour
2017-07-06 12:27:37	wz1000	it is generated only once, and then reused. I don't really expose an api for modifying it like a state.
2017-07-06 12:27:51	wz1000	ok
2017-07-06 12:27:51	alanz	well, it should not be modified
2017-07-06 12:28:07	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/6f7136fc435bb824386abcf25b39041b02125d18#diff-36dba2d3fdbd2c0c8475df1aa488c404R337
2017-07-06 12:28:14	alanz	except when the underlying file changes in the VFS, so that sounds right
2017-07-06 12:28:34	wz1000	yeah, its invalidated then.
2017-07-06 12:28:42	alanz	sounds good.
2017-07-06 12:29:10	alanz	And some day we will integrate this too: https://github.com/alanz/incremental-play
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2017-07-06 12:32:37	wz1000	how does that work? by putting holes into the parts of the ast it can't parse?
2017-07-06 12:36:11	alanz	by noting the changed regions, and reusing the bits that did not change
2017-07-06 12:36:33	alanz	See https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/4d22/fab95c78b3c23fa9dff88fb82976edc213c2.pdf
2017-07-06 12:36:53	alanz	and/or https://github.com/tree-sitter/tree-sitter
2017-07-06 12:36:57	wz1000	ah, cool
2017-07-06 12:37:37	alanz	Fig 3 in that doc gives a very quick overview
2017-07-06 12:38:20	alanz	But once the parsing is sorted, I want to do renaming too. As we re-use previously analysed parts of the AST
2017-07-06 12:38:42	alanz	not sure if type checking can be done incrementally though
2017-07-06 12:40:57	wz1000	ghc already does have -fdefer-type-errors and type holes.
2017-07-06 12:43:37	alanz	Yes, but that is just reporting the state of the solver as a warning, not error
2017-07-06 12:44:06	alanz	Knowing what effects a change in a given location will have is not so simple, given type inference
2017-07-06 12:44:19	alanz	But that is a problem for another day
2017-07-06 12:55:03	wz1000	alanz: Right now we do all our registrations via client/RegisterCapability
2017-07-06 12:55:15	wz1000	but all editors may not support that.
2017-07-06 12:56:17	wz1000	ideally we should be using ServerCapabilities to signal that stuff.
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2017-07-07 00:45:13	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/f5d8cb4807c8538311779b6e6aeb3a05cbff0b6b
2017-07-07 00:46:32	wz1000	also: https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/pull/51
2017-07-07 00:46:51	alanz	wz1000: looking
2017-07-07 00:46:53	wz1000	hoogle docs should also be a lot prettier now
2017-07-07 00:47:55	wz1000	the HaRe tests pass on my machine
2017-07-07 00:48:22	alanz	ok, I am just looking at the first one, do not understand the title, tbh
2017-07-07 00:49:25	wz1000	we used to use ghc-mod to generate diagnostics, and then parsed them into the Lsp Diagnostic type.
2017-07-07 00:50:04	wz1000	Now it generates the lsp diagnostic straight from the ghc error, instead of rendering it to String and parsing that.
2017-07-07 00:50:19	wz1000	so no more parse errors.
2017-07-07 00:50:28	alanz	ok, so we are still getting ghc disgnostics the same way, just translating the GHC type to an LSP diag
2017-07-07 00:50:38	alanz	ok, makes sense
2017-07-07 00:50:46	wz1000	yes, instead of going Ghc type -> String -> lsp diag
2017-07-07 00:50:51	alanz	I thought it related to serialising the VFS :)
2017-07-07 00:52:58	alanz	Merged HaRe, will merge hie when you make a PR and it passes
2017-07-07 00:53:50	wz1000	there was a commit before that too.
2017-07-07 00:53:52	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/973710aa88dac5970273562981194e1df69ce15d
2017-07-07 00:56:28	alanz	Ok, I will build your master and see how it looks
2017-07-07 01:09:55	wz1000	use it on something like Map.lookup
2017-07-07 01:11:29	alanz	ok
2017-07-07 01:14:49	alanz	Nice. hovered over Monoid, got a nice bit of formatted text
2017-07-07 01:17:12	wz1000	alanz: it doesn't get the typechecked module for MainHie, but doesn't report any errors either.
2017-07-07 01:17:37	alanz	that is a target selection problem, I think
2017-07-07 01:18:11	alanz	I know in Hare I pull out all the module graphs for all the targets, then try to load in the right context for that. I think. 
2017-07-07 01:18:32	alanz	But I think ghc-mod should do that too, when it chooses the session for the file
2017-07-07 01:18:47	wz1000	but it does work with simpler projects that have multiple targets.
2017-07-07 01:19:29	alanz	ok, maybe make an issue for it, or dig in now to find it
2017-07-07 01:19:44	alanz	turning on Vomit or Debug for ghc-mod is a good start
2017-07-07 01:19:54	wz1000	how do I do that?
2017-07-07 01:20:01	alanz	in MainHie.hs, by commenting/uncommenting as appropriate
2017-07-07 01:20:12	alanz	search for "Vomit"
2017-07-07 01:20:54	alanz	and then uncomment those three lines, and comment out the next one
2017-07-07 01:25:41	wz1000	hmm, apply hint doesn't work when I run hie with the python-langserver extension.
2017-07-07 01:27:57	alanz	what do you mean the python-langserver-extension?
2017-07-07 01:28:29	alanz	enabled in vscode, and being used for a .hs file?
2017-07-07 01:30:34	wz1000	yes
2017-07-07 01:31:18	alanz	is that your way of running hie, where you modified it slighty?
2017-07-07 01:31:48	wz1000	vscode-hie-server has the DocumentSymbol duplication bug, and the python one can't apply hints.
2017-07-07 01:31:51	wz1000	yes.
2017-07-07 01:32:19	wz1000	I run it with both.
2017-07-07 01:34:23	alanz	ok. I updated mine to use a later version of the engine (I think). 1.12 instead of 1.6. but it does not fix the problem
2017-07-07 01:35:07	alanz	But the vscode-hie-server is very much poking a stick at things, it is stuff copied from all over, and experiments with trying to get additional commands in
2017-07-07 01:35:44	alanz	I did notice the python one runs with an older version of the LSP protocol client
2017-07-07 01:37:49	alanz	mine uses 3.2.1
2017-07-07 01:40:54	wz1000	https://christian.kellner.me/2017/05/31/language-server-protocol-lsp-rust-and-emacs/
2017-07-07 01:41:22	wz1000	the rust server seems to be in a similar state to ours. 
2017-07-07 01:41:56	wz1000	"I have used it for the last couple of days and it mostly works. On the initial opening of a project it will hog the CPU and spin up the fans but that doesn't last too long. Sometimes it completely hangs Emacs. "
2017-07-07 01:42:38	alanz	wz1000: yes, that will be the initial compilation. Same happens with hie
2017-07-07 01:43:07	wz1000	yeah
2017-07-07 01:43:10	alanz	And emacs-lsp is dormant for the summer, the main dev is working on a GSOC thing. web assembly backend for something
2017-07-07 01:43:26	alanz	maybe even rust. He did tell me
2017-07-07 01:43:42	wz1000	you mentioned it.
2017-07-07 01:44:47	alanz	So there is so much stuff going on, I figured I would also wait for him to be back, as we can go against vscode in the meantime
2017-07-07 01:45:00	alanz	My ultimate personal goal is to use it in emacs
2017-07-07 01:45:59	wz1000	we'll get there.
2017-07-07 01:46:16	alanz	I know. One step at a time
2017-07-07 01:46:25	wz1000	there is a midterm evaluation thing also coming up.
2017-07-07 01:46:43	wz1000	maybe we can do an alpha release announcement sort of thing.
2017-07-07 01:47:05	wz1000	for bug reporting etc.
2017-07-07 01:48:35	alanz	I think if you wrote a blog post as a progress report it would be good. 
2017-07-07 01:48:42	alanz	It does both those things then
2017-07-07 01:49:07	alanz	From a mid-term point of view, I suspect there is nothing to worry about, given the progress to date
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2017-07-07 11:00:03	wz1000	alanz: it seems like the spacemacs haskell mode ghc-mod also fails to load MainHie.hs
2017-07-07 11:24:26	wz1000	ghmod vomit doesn't tell me much.
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2017-07-07 12:07:20	alanz	wz1000: I don't think it is a client thing, tbh
2017-07-07 12:07:32	alanz	I will take a look, when I get some time today
2017-07-07 12:08:14	alanz	what does "fails to load" mean? does not parse? does not rename? does not typecheck? does not find the file?
2017-07-07 12:11:34	wz1000	alanz: Does not report any errors/warnings
2017-07-07 12:12:03	alanz	so it does load, but if there is a bug we do not get the warnings?
2017-07-07 12:12:35	wz1000	we don't get the warnings, in either spacemacs or hie, and hie doesn't even get the typechecked module
2017-07-07 12:12:41	alanz	I wonder if it relates to the file name mapping, the module name for a main module is always "Main", will not be "MainHie". It needs to be special-cased all over the place
2017-07-07 12:13:12	wz1000	maybe. It doesn't work with HaRe either
2017-07-07 12:13:15	alanz	Maybe enable the putStrLn stuff in the hscFrontend hook, to see if it ever matches when processing
2017-07-07 12:13:29	alanz	I would not expect it to, if it is a main module load thing
2017-07-07 12:13:49	alanz	and those putStrLn commented lines are in HaRe
2017-07-07 12:13:51	wz1000	but it does work with haskell-lsp(which has a Main.hs)
2017-07-07 12:14:32	alanz	These: https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/blob/mapped-files/src/Language/Haskell/Refact/Utils/Utils.hs#L210
2017-07-07 12:14:48	alanz	Main.hs vs MainHie.hs.
2017-07-07 12:15:04	alanz	GHC calls the module Main, regardless of the file name
2017-07-07 12:15:10	alanz	I suspect that is the problem
2017-07-07 12:15:36	wz1000	hmm. let me try renaming it to Main first
2017-07-07 12:15:40	alanz	ok
2017-07-07 12:15:58	alanz	but we need to solve the underlying problem once we know if this is the cause
2017-07-07 12:16:05	wz1000	yeah
2017-07-07 12:16:26	alanz	But I have tripped over this in the past. It is a pain
2017-07-07 12:19:46	wz1000	no, it didn't work even after naming it to Main.hs
2017-07-07 12:32:14	alanz	ok
2017-07-07 12:40:00	alanz	running "stack hoogle" on hie. It is rebuilding 242 packages :)
2017-07-07 12:40:46	alanz	I presume they get cached in ~/.stack, for general use eventually
2017-07-07 12:43:07	wz1000	it will fail
2017-07-07 12:43:23	alanz	what part?
2017-07-07 12:43:29	wz1000	brittany
2017-07-07 12:43:33	alanz	ok
2017-07-07 12:43:38	wz1000	it has come commented out TH
2017-07-07 12:43:53	wz1000	so haddock fails when it encounters $....
2017-07-07 12:43:55	alanz	well, I will let it run until then, I presume the rest will be usable at least
2017-07-07 12:44:05	alanz	And you made an issue on brittany, iirc?
2017-07-07 12:44:16	wz1000	I think you will have to generate the db yourself.
2017-07-07 12:44:43	alanz	ok, it is not critical, just configured I may as well have it, as it can be used in hie
2017-07-07 12:44:57	alanz	how do I generate it myself?
2017-07-07 12:45:11	alanz	vs doing "stack hoogle"?
2017-07-07 12:46:00	wz1000	I'm not sure how it would work for stack, but I think you would have to run hoogle generate --local=. --database=/path/to/db
2017-07-07 12:46:14	wz1000	and the db path for stack projects is complicated.
2017-07-07 12:46:28	alanz	ok, so hie does not currently use the output of stack hoogle?
2017-07-07 12:46:34	wz1000	it does.
2017-07-07 12:46:44	alanz	but the db generation fails.
2017-07-07 12:46:51	wz1000	But you would have to manually put the db where stack hoogle puts it.
2017-07-07 12:47:18	alanz	Perhaps we should just use a forked brittany, that does generate haddock
2017-07-07 12:47:50	wz1000	you run stack hoogle on the project you want to use hie with, not hie itself(unless you want to work on hie itself)
2017-07-07 12:48:31	wz1000	so if you want to work on HaRe, you would run stack hoogle in the HaRe folder
2017-07-07 12:48:53	alanz	yes, that is how I understand it.
2017-07-07 12:49:00	alanz	I am looking into MainHie atm
2017-07-07 12:49:06	wz1000	and vscode with hie would work as expected.
2017-07-07 12:49:10	alanz	so want to run hie on itself
2017-07-07 12:49:22	alanz	and check out the hoogle docs while I am at it
2017-07-07 12:49:34	alanz	eat the dogfood.
2017-07-07 12:50:03	wz1000	it falls back to the default hoogle db if it doesn't find a db for the local project
2017-07-07 12:50:19	wz1000	Which means you would get docs for most stuff
2017-07-07 12:50:28	wz1000	atleast everything that is on hackage.
2017-07-07 12:50:31	alanz	Yes, I saw that.
2017-07-07 12:52:44	wz1000	which reminds me, we should probably choose the db only once, instead of trying to get the correct db on every hoogle request.
2017-07-07 12:55:21	alanz	agree. And keep it in the project state.
2017-07-07 13:08:39	wz1000	done https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/b968dc596f2712c5e1829436e3f529d6f86ae681
2017-07-07 13:26:50	alanz	great
2017-07-07 13:31:41	wz1000	also got it to emit links to the docs on hackage/filesystem
2017-07-07 13:31:46	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/6b0f5760525cd00aa6e7d8cd907bdc9bf64c23dc
2017-07-07 14:12:17	alanz	wz1000: see https://github.com/lspitzner/brittany/pull/35
2017-07-07 14:14:12	wz1000	nice. Does haddock succeed for hie now?
2017-07-07 14:15:23	wz1000	there is a small problem with the links to docs when building with a local hoogle db.
2017-07-07 14:15:43	wz1000	Vscode opens them as html files, instead of opening them in the browser.
2017-07-07 14:16:28	alanz	I am still building, will let you know
2017-07-07 14:49:51	wz1000	alanz: How do I get the smallest syntax phrase that encloses a particular location?
2017-07-07 14:50:34	alanz	any syntax phrase, or a specific type, like a FunBind etc?
2017-07-07 14:50:48	wz1000	any syntax phrase
2017-07-07 14:50:52	alanz	For any, take a look at the innards of mpickering/apply-refact
2017-07-07 14:53:13	wz1000	ok. and is it possible to get all the names in scope in that phrase?
2017-07-07 14:53:48	alanz	well, if you do a traversal over it picking up all the Located RdrName, and look those up
2017-07-07 14:54:04	alanz	I think there is something in HaRe that might do that.
2017-07-07 14:54:15	alanz	At the very least the traversal
2017-07-07 14:54:47	wz1000	I want all the names in scope, not the ones in use.
2017-07-07 14:55:24	alanz	The visible names?
2017-07-07 14:55:43	alanz	hsVisibleNamesRdr does that, iirc
2017-07-07 14:55:58	alanz	BTW, LSP has broken haddock. See http://lpaste.net/356757
2017-07-07 14:57:30	wz1000	strange, I fixed it recently.
2017-07-07 14:58:06	alanz	it may be my local setup. 
2017-07-07 14:59:42	wz1000	its been a couple of commits, maybe those broke something. I'm building it to check
2017-07-07 15:00:59	wz1000	I get the same error. No idea why its happening.
2017-07-07 15:01:21	alanz	try to build the hoogle db with the fixed brittany: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/wip2
2017-07-07 15:01:29	alanz	and tell me what you get
2017-07-07 15:06:02	alanz	I am checking ghc 8.2 haddock on it now too
2017-07-07 15:07:38	alanz	which involved building the world ...
2017-07-07 15:08:09	wz1000	building...
2017-07-07 15:08:25	alanz	:)
2017-07-07 15:08:25	wz1000	I did build haskell-lsp alone, and got the same error
2017-07-07 15:08:53	alanz	ok, I want to see if it is in the new haddock, in which case I will make a bug report
2017-07-07 15:09:06	alanz	But it did work, might be worth bisecting it some time too
2017-07-07 15:09:29	alanz	have you ever used git-bisect?
2017-07-07 15:09:38	wz1000	no. what does it do?
2017-07-07 15:10:12	alanz	you start a session, then tell it an old commit where it worked, and a newer one where it does not
2017-07-07 15:10:55	alanz	Then it chooses a point in the middle, checks it out, and you can build/test it. Then depending on the good/bad result it selects another one, in the middle of the remainder
2017-07-07 15:11:17	alanz	basically a binary search through the commit history to find the commit that introduced the fail
2017-07-07 15:11:20	alanz	very handy
2017-07-07 15:16:21	alanz	and it works with GHC 8.2, post-rc2. Some random build from 29 Jun
2017-07-07 15:16:39	wz1000	x froze up and died while running stack hoogle :(
2017-07-07 15:16:48	alanz	oops
2017-07-07 15:17:09	alanz	it works the machine hard, try giving it -j3 or some other appropriate number
2017-07-07 15:17:28	alanz	probably used up all available memory and swapped
2017-07-07 15:17:38	wz1000	I don't have swap set up on this machine
2017-07-07 15:17:59	alanz	ok, but it does use all cores
2017-07-07 15:18:22	wz1000	But I did have ~50 tabs on firefox, plus hie open in vscode and an emacs session with ghc-mod loaded.
2017-07-07 15:20:55	alanz	ok, sounds pretty heavy.
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2017-07-07 15:36:01	wz1000	alanz: I ran stack hoogle again- got the same error
2017-07-07 15:36:18	alanz	x blowing up?
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2017-07-07 15:38:22	wz1000	no, the haddock error
2017-07-07 15:43:37	wz1000	alanz: Should ghc-mod switch .cabal files for us automatically? If you start on LspStdio.hs, and then switch to hie-hare, it fails to load some dependencies.
2017-07-07 15:43:48	wz1000	with hie.
2017-07-07 15:43:58	wz1000	It seems to work fine with spacemacs ghc-mod
2017-07-07 15:44:37	alanz	not sure.
2017-07-07 15:45:24	alanz	and the other question from a hie perspective is what should we do. Is it part of the same project? what is the home dir? 
2017-07-07 15:45:51	alanz	because ghc-mod needs a new cradle to work from, which is what we pick up when we launch the dispatcher
2017-07-07 15:46:06	wz1000	hmm. I would like to handle it seamlessly.
2017-07-07 15:49:47	alanz	I think we need to somehow work out that it is part of a mega-project, has changed directory, and launch a fresh dispatcher on it
2017-07-07 15:50:05	alanz	Or update the cradle in the current one, if that is possible
2017-07-07 15:50:33	alanz	does spacemacs ghc-mod run ghc-mod as a server?
2017-07-07 15:51:01	wz1000	i dont know.
2017-07-07 15:51:47	wz1000	it uses flycheck-haskell
2017-07-07 15:52:01	alanz	do a "ps auxf" and see what process is running under emacs
2017-07-07 15:52:05	alanz	if any
2017-07-07 15:52:31	alanz	because flycheck is a transient process, starts up, checks, exits
2017-07-07 15:52:40	alanz	so would pick up a fresh cradle each time
2017-07-07 15:53:40	wz1000	maybe we can restart the ghc-mod session.
2017-07-07 15:54:13	wz1000	but how do we detect we are in a seperate project?
2017-07-07 15:54:28	alanz	that is what I am talking about. runIdeM is a wrapper around runGhcModT, which picks up the cradle
2017-07-07 15:54:40	alanz	and that is the question.
2017-07-07 15:55:14	alanz	One way is to invoke the cradle-finding logic if the new file does not match a session.
2017-07-07 15:55:37	alanz	Or to somehow pick up the sub projects from stack/cabal, and get their module graphs.
2017-07-07 15:55:46	alanz	and then work from those
2017-07-07 15:57:09	 *	alanz afk for a bit
2017-07-07 17:01:38	wz1000	alanz: multiple .cabal projects may work with ghcmod, all the .cabal files just need to be in different dirs.
2017-07-07 17:01:57	wz1000	But when I moved src, test and app into the same dir, I got this error:
2017-07-07 17:02:26	wz1000	http://lpaste.net/356761
2017-07-07 17:02:33	alanz	wz1000: this is just for testing I presume? because they need to be in different dirs
2017-07-07 17:02:55	wz1000	alanz: no, I mean they can't be nested, like what we have
2017-07-07 17:03:11	wz1000	haskell-ide-engine.cabal shouldn't be in a parent dir of the other .cabals.
2017-07-07 17:03:38	alanz	well, that is the specific requirement from stack, being their preferred config
2017-07-07 17:03:50	alanz	so it is not something we can impose on hie users
2017-07-07 17:04:05	wz1000	what is the requirement?
2017-07-07 17:04:18	alanz	that the subprojects live below the main one
2017-07-07 17:04:29	alanz	or rather, that is standard usage
2017-07-07 17:04:41	alanz	(I think?)
2017-07-07 17:04:44	wz1000	dxld ^^
2017-07-07 17:06:27	dxld	alanz: nah, stack doesn't care afaik
2017-07-07 17:06:43	alanz	it does not care, but works with it
2017-07-07 17:06:49	wz1000	http://lpaste.net/356762
2017-07-07 17:06:56	dxld	either way if this is a problem it would probably be semi easy to fix in ghc-mod. should be confined to changing Cradle logic
2017-07-07 17:07:06	alanz	My point is, we must make ghc-mod/hie work like this, it is something that occurs often on projects
2017-07-07 17:07:12	dxld	alanz: sure but ghc-mod doesn't like it currently
2017-07-07 17:07:28	wz1000	^ this is my new tree, but it doesn't compile
2017-07-07 17:07:31	alanz	dxld: that would be the preferred, to fix it in ghc-mod
2017-07-07 17:07:36	dxld	fine by me, someone just has to fix it ;)
2017-07-07 17:07:44	alanz	I suspect it comes about from projects with git submodules in them
2017-07-07 17:07:54	dxld	yeah that makes sense
2017-07-07 17:08:08	alanz	can you point at the right place? Time for wz1000 to up his knowledge :)
2017-07-07 17:08:08	dxld	you could just have a superproject with just submodules though
2017-07-07 17:08:22	dxld	but I agree it's ugly and should be fixed (just don't know how off the top of my head)
2017-07-07 17:08:28	dxld	Cradle.hs
2017-07-07 17:08:30	dxld	I think
2017-07-07 17:08:35	alanz	dxld: I know, but I think in the real wold those some in as after-thoughts, then just og in
2017-07-07 17:08:53	wz1000	I will take a look. But meanwhile I can't get the dir structure that should work to compile
2017-07-07 17:09:08	dxld	I think for some reason findCradle picks the topmost cabal file in the hirachy instead of the innermost
2017-07-07 17:09:12	wz1000	that way we can confirm that the dir structure is the problem
2017-07-07 17:09:18	dxld	not sure though, but debugging there is a start
2017-07-07 17:09:27	wz1000	ok
2017-07-07 17:09:34	dxld	yeah, that sounds like a reasonable approach
2017-07-07 17:09:49	dxld	you could just setup a quick test project instead of testing it with hie though
2017-07-07 17:09:53	dxld	probably less debugging work
2017-07-07 17:13:34	wz1000	dxld: can you point me to any projects that use that dir structure with stack?
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2017-07-07 17:18:57	dxld	wz1000: I don't know any off hand, but creating one should be quick
2017-07-07 17:19:24	dxld	just do cabal init, copy the result, do some renaming, stack init  in the toplevel dir and there you go
2017-07-07 17:20:07	alanz	Here is another example in the wild: https://github.com/ucsd-progsys/liquidhaskell
2017-07-07 17:20:30	alanz	but I agree with dxld, we need this as some kind of test case anyway
2017-07-07 17:41:47	wz1000	dxld: ghc mod fails to detect the stack project(it falls back on ghc-project) when run from the root of this tree: http://lpaste.net/356766
2017-07-07 17:43:00	dxld	wz1000: ok need to fix that then
2017-07-07 17:43:15	dxld	if you could have a look that'd be nice
2017-07-07 17:43:40	wz1000	ok, all this logic is in cradle?
2017-07-07 17:44:01	dxld	you should at least start there, if that's not working correctly nothing else will
2017-07-07 17:51:11	wz1000	dxld: http://lpaste.net/356767
2017-07-07 17:59:16	dxld	hmmmmm
2017-07-07 18:00:00	dxld	where does .stack-work end up?
2017-07-07 18:00:06	dxld	in the top level dir?
2017-07-07 18:02:49	wz1000	yes
2017-07-07 18:03:18	wz1000	dxld: ^
2017-07-07 18:09:46	wz1000	dxld: Does findCradle' run on every load?
2017-07-07 18:16:19	dxld	wz1000: yeah should
2017-07-07 18:16:40	dxld	on every runGmlT* call
2017-07-07 18:16:47	wz1000	yes.
2017-07-07 18:17:08	wz1000	dxld: where is 'cradle' (the function/action) defined?
2017-07-07 18:17:58	wz1000	nvm, its in Types
2017-07-07 18:18:31	wz1000	Monad/Types
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2017-07-07 23:46:05	wz1000	alanz: I figured out why it wasn't loading MainHie.hs
2017-07-07 23:46:19	wz1000	well, not exactly the "why". I figured out how to fix it.
2017-07-07 23:46:20	alanz	yes?
2017-07-07 23:46:53	wz1000	remove the if flag(pedantic) ghc-options : -Werror from the .cabal
2017-07-07 23:47:17	alanz	and what does that do?
2017-07-07 23:47:30	alanz	ok, so it is the trigger, reason unknown
2017-07-07 23:47:35	wz1000	MainHie.hs will load with hie.
2017-07-07 23:47:41	alanz	Ok. 
2017-07-07 23:48:02	alanz	This comes back to the ghc-mod discussion. Need to get the actual info from cabal, stack etc
2017-07-07 23:48:10	alanz	and make sure it works
2017-07-07 23:48:15	wz1000	yes, I improved the hie error reporting, and got an error "Failing due to -Werror"
2017-07-07 23:49:03	alanz	ok
2017-07-07 23:52:39	wz1000	alanz: the problem with the lsp diagnotuc type is tgat the range is required
2017-07-07 23:53:26	wz1000	which means we have send an IdeError when the ghc error doesnt give us a range to work with
2017-07-07 23:53:49	wz1000	(I think this was also why your parser was failing)
2017-07-07 23:54:55	alanz	ok
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2017-07-08 14:09:42	wz1000	btw, I used HIE to make my changes to ghc-mod today. It worked very well, go to definition and type info etc.
2017-07-08 14:09:53	wz1000	and diagnostics, of course.
2017-07-08 14:12:32	alanz	awesome. In vscode?
2017-07-08 14:20:46	wz1000	yes
2017-07-08 14:22:38	wz1000	ndm hasn't commented on my hoogle pr yet :(
2017-07-08 14:37:29	alanz	well, give him time. It is moving into the height of summer holidays
2017-07-08 14:48:45	wz1000	alanz: should I put this commit into the hie stack.yaml? https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/commit/7bcdae399eb36f4e1de56d6e0115ec486aca2d23
2017-07-08 14:49:13	alanz	not yet, I am struggling to get the eqdynflags commit onto it
2017-07-08 14:49:41	wz1000	ok
2017-07-08 14:49:44	alanz	I did an interactive rebase and dropped that commit, but now it won't let me cherry-pick it back on top
2017-07-08 14:50:00	alanz	Next step is a manual recreation.
2017-07-08 14:50:31	alanz	should be done soon. git is complex, you think you know something and then you don't actually :(
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2017-07-08 15:00:52	alanz	ok, so rebase squash keeps the content of the commit, just collapses it into the prior one. Damn, I know that.
2017-07-08 15:16:23	alanz	wz1000: its a bit messy in terms of revert and re-apply, but at least clear what happened. You can use https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/tree/eqdynflags-4
2017-07-08 15:16:53	alanz	have not tested it, but it does compile, and there were no funnies in the merge
2017-07-08 15:16:59	 *	alanz afk now
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2017-07-09 02:14:55	wz1000	alanz: why do we load the typechecked module in a hook? ghc-mod loads it fine without the hook.
2017-07-09 02:16:23	alanz	because loadAllTargets does a full compile already.
2017-07-09 02:16:38	alanz	So if we do it again in ghc-mod it is a double compile
2017-07-09 02:16:50	alanz	So rather pick it up as it happens the first time
2017-07-09 02:21:04	wz1000	ah, cool. we should probably modify the ghc api to let us do that more cleanly than the hack in HaRe right now.
2017-07-09 02:23:28	alanz	well, that is the facility provided by the GHC API, the frontend hook
2017-07-09 02:24:23	wz1000	No, I mean exposing versions of parseModule and typecheckModule that take the hsc env as an argument.
2017-07-09 02:24:55	wz1000	since that is all they use the GhcMonad for. The rest happens in MonadIO
2017-07-09 02:25:00	alanz	yes, agree on that
2017-07-09 02:25:47	alanz	you can just do it, if you have time
2017-07-09 02:26:07	wz1000	ok. I havent' ever built ghc before.
2017-07-09 02:26:25	alanz	https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Newcomers
2017-07-09 02:26:34	wz1000	whats the earliest we can get it merged into ghc?
2017-07-09 02:27:23	alanz	8.4
2017-07-09 02:27:43	wz1000	which is next year?
2017-07-09 02:27:54	alanz	8.2.1 rc3 came out yesterday, it likely to be the final release version
2017-07-09 02:27:55	alanz	yes
2017-07-09 02:28:02	alanz	but time passes quickly
2017-07-09 02:28:17	alanz	So basically the patch should be done by december or so
2017-07-09 02:28:27	alanz	to get in
2017-07-09 02:28:48	wz1000	it should be a ~4 line diff
2017-07-09 02:29:02	alanz	yes, so a good starting one
2017-07-09 02:29:19	alanz	fwiw I build ghc inside this container: https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Building/Preparation/Linux
2017-07-09 02:29:26	alanz	the docker instructions
2017-07-09 02:30:35	wz1000	cool
2017-07-09 02:32:02	wz1000	alanz: I remember you linked a version of hackage for the 8.2 rc once.
2017-07-09 02:33:50	alanz	wz1000: I do not follow you?
2017-07-09 02:34:06	alanz	I have been updating ghc-exactprint and HaRe for them
2017-07-09 02:34:13	alanz	for it
2017-07-09 02:34:57	wz1000	so does the mapped files branch of HaRe work with it?
2017-07-09 02:35:21	alanz	yes
2017-07-09 02:35:43	alanz	well, it did, I have not checked the most recent version we have been working on.
2017-07-09 02:36:10	alanz	I guess I should, do not expect any issues, the later changes in ghc rcs have not been around that stuff, to my knowledge
2017-07-09 02:37:00	wz1000	so our HareHsc hack should be good until at least next year?
2017-07-09 02:37:06	alanz	yes
2017-07-09 02:37:30	alanz	and beyond, unless there is a change, and we are the only ones likely to make that change
2017-07-09 02:39:24	wz1000	btw, I've been looking at how intero generates completions - they give completions for all identifiers visible anywhere in the module.
2017-07-09 02:39:35	wz1000	(i.e. they ignore scoping)
2017-07-09 02:41:12	alanz	which is how emacs does it by default.
2017-07-09 02:41:30	alanz	so that is a kind of baseline functionality I guess
2017-07-09 02:42:03	alanz	Being able to do it based on usage would be great, but gets tricky for partly-formed code that does not compile
2017-07-09 02:42:16	wz1000	so if you have "do x<call completion>; xyz <- ... ", it will show xyz in the compl list.
2017-07-09 02:42:22	alanz	It makes more sense for an AST based editor
2017-07-09 02:42:52	wz1000	yeah. Ideally we should be able to locate the "most-likely" part of the ast the identifier is a part of.
2017-07-09 02:43:08	alanz	agree.
2017-07-09 02:44:00	alanz	And what you described is what I see happening on M-/ in emacs, it cycles though all the words in currently open buffers
2017-07-09 02:44:19	alanz	based on whatever prefix you give it
2017-07-09 02:44:45	wz1000	intero is a bit smarter- it gets all things in top level scope, plus everything defined anywhere in the module itself.
2017-07-09 02:44:55	wz1000	(including local defns)
2017-07-09 02:45:08	alanz	ok
2017-07-09 02:45:33	alanz	top level scope including all imported stuff?
2017-07-09 02:45:37	wz1000	yes.
2017-07-09 02:45:59	alanz	ok. shipping that from server to client often could be a burden
2017-07-09 02:46:08	wz1000	and it handles module prefixes too. So if you do Map.<complete>
2017-07-09 02:46:25	wz1000	it will only show stuff defined in the Map module
2017-07-09 02:47:01	wz1000	(and I think it works even if you have "as" imported multiple things under the same namespace)
2017-07-09 02:47:10	alanz	sounds good
2017-07-09 02:48:14	wz1000	completion should only be triggered on some prefix(at least 1-2 chars)
2017-07-09 02:48:30	wz1000	so that would reduce the number of stuff we have to send.
2017-07-09 02:48:50	alanz	yes, I was thinking about that. agree
2017-07-09 02:49:15	wz1000	and if it becomes an issue in practice, we can always send a subset.
2017-07-09 02:49:42	wz1000	intero only sends 30 completions at a time.
2017-07-09 02:49:46	alanz	ok
2017-07-09 02:50:27	alanz	Its good to have reference behaviour/code to compare against
2017-07-09 02:50:55	wz1000	I could work on intero as a library but I don't think its worth it.
2017-07-09 02:51:17	alanz	agree, it is basically a wrapper around ghci
2017-07-09 02:51:28	alanz	which is just another way of invoking the ghc api
2017-07-09 02:51:29	wz1000	Intero has its custom types it preprocessses the typechecked module into, so we would have to get it to interface with hie as well.
2017-07-09 02:51:45	wz1000	and we only need it for completion now.
2017-07-09 02:51:50	alanz	but looking into it for ideas on how to do stuff is good
2017-07-09 02:52:08	alanz	And sometime we should see about pushing stuff back down into ghc
2017-07-09 02:52:29	wz1000	also, should we support .cabal files?
2017-07-09 02:52:30	alanz	So it can be kept up to date there, and shared between all the things using ghc
2017-07-09 02:52:36	alanz	probably
2017-07-09 02:53:01	alanz	I know there are moves afoot to bring in a new parser that will make it easier to work with them
2017-07-09 02:53:17	wz1000	the spacemacs haskell layer does give autocomplete for the dependencies there.
2017-07-09 02:53:23	alanz	Specifically aimed at being able to make modifications and write them out again
2017-07-09 02:53:28	alanz	ok
2017-07-09 02:53:49	alanz	I know the intero cabal support is brittle in that it expects a very specific format in the cabal file
2017-07-09 02:54:07	alanz	which does not correlate with the way I generally write them
2017-07-09 02:54:16	wz1000	for autocompletion in .hs files also we a few different modes.
2017-07-09 02:54:32	wz1000	for ghc-options/flags, for language pragmas, for imports, and for exprs
2017-07-09 02:54:46	alanz	yes
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2017-07-10 00:38:53	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/a49a36c2c931753f05c5c71d92f05d7f98f26071
2017-07-10 00:39:43	wz1000	right now it only supports completion for imported stuff.
2017-07-10 00:40:31	wz1000	but it does give tell you the type and module name the symbol was imported from in the completion box itself.
2017-07-10 00:41:14	alanz	ok, sounds good. Will give it a try
2017-07-10 00:41:53	wz1000	the automatic triggering isn't that good. press C-<space> to trigger it manually.
2017-07-10 00:42:21	alanz	ok
2017-07-10 00:48:22	wz1000	alanz: Also, there is the same duplication issue with vscode-hie for this too.
2017-07-10 00:48:46	alanz	ok. I guess I need to get to the bottom of that some time
2017-07-10 00:57:39	alanz	If I edit the word "callback" to be "call", then put the cursor on the last l and hit C-space, I get completions, including callback.
2017-07-10 00:57:50	alanz	If I hit return on that I get "callbackl"
2017-07-10 00:58:22	alanz	I am using vim keybindings in vscode. I wonder if that makes a difference. And not in edit mode when I do that
2017-07-10 00:58:56	alanz	nvm, works as expected in edit mode
2017-07-10 01:01:29	wz1000	you can press C-space on a completion item to see more details.
2017-07-10 01:02:02	wz1000	we can extent that via completion resolve to give hoogle docs too.
2017-07-10 01:02:20	alanz	ok, nice
2017-07-10 01:02:30	wz1000	also, try it with fully qualified module names.
2017-07-10 01:05:02	alanz	looking good
2017-07-10 01:06:20	wz1000	and it is suprisingly fast. try hitting C-space on a blank line in a file with lots of imports to see every symbol in scope.
2017-07-10 01:19:20	--	Notice(GitHub195): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #258: Implemented completion, improvements to hovering and diagnostic fetching, caching support, bugfixes (master...master) https://git.io/vQiw7
2017-07-10 01:21:03	wz1000	cocreature: I pressed the request review thing by mistake. You are welcome to take a look though :)
2017-07-10 01:22:13	wz1000	alanz: ^^
2017-07-10 01:23:01	alanz	will merge when it passes ci
2017-07-10 01:26:17	alanz	wz1000: made a few small comments
2017-07-10 01:26:23	wz1000	I saw
2017-07-10 01:27:02	wz1000	the pedantic thing breaks ghc-mod though.
2017-07-10 01:27:30	alanz	but we want to have CI respect -Werror.
2017-07-10 01:28:08	alanz	What happens with ghc-mod? if it is a general thing we need to tweak to dynflags to disable it, we will not be the only project doing that
2017-07-10 01:28:34	alanz	every flag ends up as something in dynflags. so can be tweaked
2017-07-10 01:29:23	wz1000	I don't know what goes wrong, but on loading MainHie, ghc mod errors out with "failing because of -Werror"
2017-07-10 01:30:00	alanz	ok
2017-07-10 01:30:20	wz1000	we don't have ci respect -Werror right now though.
2017-07-10 01:30:35	alanz	I know, and it is a problem.
2017-07-10 01:30:44	alanz	We need to get back to that.
2017-07-10 01:31:01	alanz	The travis build used to, need to get circleci to do it
2017-07-10 01:31:13	wz1000	we still have that unused sendErrorResponse in LspStdio
2017-07-10 01:31:47	alanz	yes, probably best to just put a leading _ onto it.
2017-07-10 01:32:03	alanz	Though I am not sure we will ever use it
2017-07-10 01:39:24	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/40
2017-07-10 01:40:20	alanz	merge
2017-07-10 01:40:22	alanz	d
2017-07-10 01:42:50	wz1000	thanks
2017-07-10 01:43:32	wz1000	did we figure out what was going wrong with haddock for haskell-lsp?
2017-07-10 02:20:49	alanz	I tracked it down to something in the way stack calls it. And if you do stack haddock -v you will see it uses a flag to haddock, I forget which. To make hyperlinks, I think
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2017-07-11 12:37:29	wz1000	alanz: I've updated the PR
2017-07-11 12:37:52	alanz	ok, will look a bit later, busy with admin
2017-07-11 13:25:11	alanz	wz1000: looks fine, waiting for CI
2017-07-11 13:28:53	wz1000	alanz: I implemented completion resolve too - it fetches docs from hoogle.
2017-07-11 13:29:12	alanz	I saw that. Compiling it now, will run it when its done
2017-07-11 13:29:15	wz1000	and completion using local top level identifierss
2017-07-11 13:29:48	alanz	great
2017-07-11 13:30:20	wz1000	but the doc window for completions in vscode doesn't support markdown
2017-07-11 13:30:40	alanz	raise an issue :)
2017-07-11 13:31:35	wz1000	honestly, I'm not sure how we will deal with how clients choose to display stuff.
2017-07-11 13:31:45	wz1000	Because it is not speced at all.
2017-07-11 13:32:17	wz1000	markdown is meant to be readable even without pretty rendering though
2017-07-11 13:32:18	alanz	And I was thinking, we need to consider adding more functional level tests, to show how these completion etc things work, against a test project.
2017-07-11 13:32:25	alanz	wz1000: yes
2017-07-11 13:33:05	wz1000	but the links really clutter it up, so I'm not showing the docs as markdown in completions.
2017-07-11 13:33:13	alanz	Interesting, for my duplicate completions, the first one is just the signature, the second has docs too
2017-07-11 13:33:20	alanz	ok
2017-07-11 13:33:34	wz1000	the docs are fetched on demand by completion resolve.
2017-07-11 13:33:47	wz1000	so maybe its not sending that for the duplicates.
2017-07-11 13:34:04	alanz	or the duplicates come from the resolve request?
2017-07-11 13:34:32	alanz	I still need to trace it. But my time is constrained :(
2017-07-11 13:37:06	alanz	and one of my pet gripes is that go to definition does not work into the sub-projects
2017-07-11 13:37:37	alanz	If I run codex on the project I get tags that work for that, which are honoured by emacs go to defn.
2017-07-11 13:37:37	wz1000	sub projects are completely broken though.
2017-07-11 13:37:53	alanz	I know, and it is a work in progress.
2017-07-11 13:38:14	wz1000	we need them fixed in ghc-mod we can anything about it in hie
2017-07-11 13:38:41	alanz	But I think there are two different things here, the one is having an index of jump destinations for definitions (i.e. tags from etags, hasktags, codex etc), and the other is switching to the right context for a file
2017-07-11 13:38:49	alanz	which is part of a sub-project
2017-07-11 13:38:54	wz1000	btw, hold ctrl while hovering over an identifier. It will show you the defn too.
2017-07-11 13:39:02	alanz	ok
2017-07-11 13:39:19	wz1000	yeah
2017-07-11 13:40:03	wz1000	right now we are using the ghc api to get defns which probably won't work across projects anyway.
2017-07-11 13:40:13	wz1000	(but when it does work, it is a lot smarter)
2017-07-11 13:40:32	alanz	yes, but I think we will need to blend the two, eventually
2017-07-11 13:40:36	wz1000	It can deal with local defns and name shadowing/conflicts.
2017-07-11 13:40:51	alanz	much like we do for multiple diagnostics sources
2017-07-11 13:41:12	wz1000	yeah.
2017-07-11 13:41:23	alanz	btw, another peeve is the hlint "Redundant do" warning, that highlights the whole function if it has a leading do
2017-07-11 13:41:45	wz1000	it has the same behaviour in spacemacs.
2017-07-11 13:41:46	alanz	I wonder if we could treat is specially, and only report the first line in the diagnostic
2017-07-11 13:41:59	alanz	I know, it is the way hlint reports it
2017-07-11 13:42:10	alanz	As being the whole syntax fragment affected
2017-07-11 13:42:38	wz1000	hmm. Also, some apply-refacts don't work.
2017-07-11 13:43:01	alanz	Crazy thought: might be interesting to add a quick fix option to ignore a given disgnostic. And store it in the session as an ephemeral thing
2017-07-11 13:43:31	wz1000	hmm, but how do we detect that diagnostic? We only get the SDoc for the message from ghc.
2017-07-11 13:43:59	alanz	Do you have any cases of apply-refact not working? so we can investigate and see if it is an upstream problem
2017-07-11 13:44:15	alanz	The redundant do is an hlint diagnostic
2017-07-11 13:44:50	wz1000	I mean the code actions don't work for some diagnostics.
2017-07-11 13:46:09	alanz	I know, but that could be a problem in the upstream, or our usage
2017-07-11 13:46:24	alanz	It would be good to have a failing test for that, so we can investigate
2017-07-11 13:47:22	 *	alanz afk phone call
2017-07-11 13:47:41	wz1000	"use newtype instead of data" doens't work
2017-07-11 14:04:48	wz1000	also, if a line has multiple hlint diagnostics, apply one applys all of them
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2017-07-11 16:31:29	--	Notice(GitHub137): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #258: Implemented completion, improvements to hovering and diagnostic fetching, caching support, bugfixes (master...master) https://git.io/vQiw7
2017-07-11 16:31:31	--	Notice(GitHub158): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 18 new commits to master: https://git.io/vQ1FN
2017-07-11 16:31:31	--	Notice(GitHub158): haskell-ide-engine/master 6f7136f Zubin Duggal: Add extensible cache linked to CachedModule
2017-07-11 16:31:31	--	Notice(GitHub158): haskell-ide-engine/master 5ceeac5 Zubin Duggal: Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine
2017-07-11 16:31:31	--	Notice(GitHub158): haskell-ide-engine/master b495878 Zubin Duggal: updated to match haskell-lsp
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2017-07-12 12:17:33	alanz	https://code.visualstudio.com/updates/v1_14
2017-07-12 12:18:13	alanz	hmm.. https://code.visualstudio.com/updates/v1_14#_preview-multi-root-workspaces
2017-07-12 14:43:42	wz1000	alanz: I was thinking of updating the README and also writing a technical overview of the entire thing.
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2017-07-12 15:11:16	alanz	wz1000: sounds great
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2017-07-13 11:52:47	wz1000	alanz: sometimes when switching between files, the typechecked module isn't loaded.
2017-07-13 11:53:07	wz1000	There is no failure or anything, we just get "Nothing" from the hook ioref.
2017-07-13 11:53:28	alanz	sounds odd
2017-07-13 11:53:41	wz1000	I think there is some recompilation avoidance thing going on.
2017-07-13 11:53:44	alanz	can you make a reproducable test?
2017-07-13 11:54:01	alanz	not that I am aware of, and we should be setting ForceRecomp
2017-07-13 11:54:25	alanz	You can turn on logging in the HaRe stuff in the HarePlugin
2017-07-13 11:54:33	wz1000	in ghc-mod/, load CabalHelper.hs and then switch to Output.hs
2017-07-13 11:55:07	wz1000	It works fine if I just add a space char somewhere or something
2017-07-13 11:55:14	alanz	Here: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-hare/Haskell/Ide/HaRePlugin.hs#L649
2017-07-13 11:55:34	wz1000	I removed the logging from the part of HaRe we are using, remember?
2017-07-13 11:55:46	alanz	oops
2017-07-13 11:56:05	wz1000	getTypecheckedModuleGhc
2017-07-13 11:56:31	wz1000	Because the logging was dependant on the RefactGhc monad.
2017-07-13 11:56:37	alanz	they use the same underlying log framework now, so it should be possible to add something in there.
2017-07-13 11:57:09	alanz	that log call was just a convenience on the underlying one, should be able to do it directly too
2017-07-13 11:57:35	wz1000	ok, I'll look into it.
2017-07-13 11:58:07	alanz	its a way of debugging that is pretty powerful, so worth getting back in again
2017-07-13 12:09:14	wz1000	alanz: I don't still don't get why the hook is useful- ghc doesn't compute the typechecked module without the hook, right?
2017-07-13 12:10:23	wz1000	so we do that extra work any way. Why does it make a difference if we do it inside the hook or outside it?
2017-07-13 12:10:31	alanz	when ghc-mod calls loadTargets, GHC compiles everythingin the modulegraph
2017-07-13 12:10:43	alanz	so it gets compiled
2017-07-13 12:10:58	wz1000	yes
2017-07-13 12:11:05	alanz	If we then manually call parse/rename/typececk we are doing the work again
2017-07-13 12:11:29	alanz	because ghc discards the prior phase information when it compiles, as it no longer needs it
2017-07-13 12:11:37	alanz	It only wants Core and beyond
2017-07-13 12:11:54	alanz	So the hook keeps the stuff that would otherwise be discarded
2017-07-13 12:12:02	alanz	and prevents double work
2017-07-13 12:14:06	wz1000	but if keepInfo is false, we don't parse/rename/typecheck anyway
2017-07-13 12:14:42	alanz	yes we do, we call the function in ghc that does it
2017-07-13 12:15:05	 *	alanz fires up emacs to look into the source
2017-07-13 12:16:53	wz1000	ok, I got it hscParse' and tcRnModule' do all that
2017-07-13 12:16:58	alanz	yes
2017-07-13 12:17:09	alanz	which is the normal operation during this hook
2017-07-13 12:17:25	alanz	we do the same effect, but keep the products in the keepinfo leg
2017-07-13 12:18:14	wz1000	ok
2017-07-13 12:21:02	wz1000	alanz: where are you passing the recompilation avoidance stuff?
2017-07-13 12:23:03	alanz	let me take a look, hold on. Search for Force_Recomp as a dynflag
2017-07-13 12:24:14	alanz	I think it might be in ghc-mod
2017-07-13 12:25:12	alanz	yes, setDynflagsRecompile in ghc-mod Target
2017-07-13 12:25:51	alanz	look in Target.loadTargets
2017-07-13 12:26:16	alanz	See also https://github.com/DanielG/ghc-mod/issues/897
2017-07-13 12:32:53	wz1000	alanz: Ok, this problem is only happening when I try to use hie on ghc-mod
2017-07-13 12:33:10	wz1000	A simple test case is - open a file - close it - open it again
2017-07-13 12:33:24	alanz	I wonder if it is not related to the file being in more that one target in the cabal file
2017-07-13 12:33:44	wz1000	no other project I tried it on has this problem
2017-07-13 12:34:14	alanz	ok. If you don't solve it I will take a look later, but I have to be afk for a couple of hours now
2017-07-13 12:41:52	wz1000	we should move getTypecheckedModuleGhc into ghc-mod itself. Then it can probably use ghc-mod logging.
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2017-07-13 12:52:05	alanz	agree
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2017-07-14 00:10:22	alanz	wz1000: did you make any progress on the file loading problem?
2017-07-14 00:27:20	wz1000	alanz: no, didn't get much done today
2017-07-14 00:28:34	alanz	Ok, I may get some time to pay attention to it
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2017-07-14 11:54:28	alanz	wz1000: I can open CabalHelper.hs, see hlint reporting on it, then open Output.hs, see hlint warnings on it.
2017-07-14 11:54:52	alanz	Is ghc-mod configured/setup for you on your machine?
2017-07-14 12:09:50	wz1000	alanz: try hovering over something
2017-07-14 12:10:11	wz1000	or find defn
2017-07-14 12:10:37	wz1000	also, try opening a file, closing it, then opening it again.
2017-07-14 12:13:43	wz1000	it should show an IDE error in the output window saying "Module not loaded"
2017-07-14 12:28:16	alanz	ok, will give it a try
2017-07-14 12:37:14	alanz	wz1000: I have just spent some time opening, closing, reopening, hovering, going to defn in ghc-mod
2017-07-14 12:37:19	alanz	Works like a bomb for me
2017-07-14 12:37:55	alanz	And I am really starting to feel the need for codeActions, for things like removing imports, etc
2017-07-14 12:39:21	alanz	I just hit a "more info" link for 'neverQualify' in ghc-mod Doc.hs. Opened a haddock page in my browser.
2017-07-14 12:39:32	alanz	https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/8.0.1/docs/html/libraries/ghc-8.0.1/Outputable.html#v:neverQualify
2017-07-14 12:42:04	alanz	I am using vscode 1.14.0, btw
2017-07-14 12:55:17	wz1000	alanz: it is the right "neverQualify"?
2017-07-14 12:55:22	wz1000	yes.
2017-07-14 12:55:28	wz1000	(for the code actions)
2017-07-14 12:55:55	wz1000	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/259
2017-07-14 12:56:21	alanz	I saw that. Signs of a growing user base :)
2017-07-14 12:56:37	wz1000	alanz: could you try moving around the ghc-code for a bit? using findDef etc.
2017-07-14 12:57:24	alanz	And that stuff is in there somewhere, in ghc-mod or one of the plugins. Also, exference is something to pbring in that does stuff like that
2017-07-14 12:57:43	alanz	wz1000: I have been moving around the ghc-mod code. Will do it some more
2017-07-14 13:00:51	wz1000	hmm. I will run stack clean then install hie again.
2017-07-14 13:01:31	alanz	ok, with lots and lots of jumping around I finally got a module not loaded
2017-07-14 13:01:40	alanz	For Stack.hs
2017-07-14 13:02:06	wz1000	it seems like studying the idris language server vscode plugin could be useful.
2017-07-14 13:02:11	alanz	But I do have hlint warnings for it. Wait, I think it is the hover over a remote module
2017-07-14 13:02:13	wz1000	for getting the HaRe commnads in.
2017-07-14 13:02:20	wz1000	hlint would work
2017-07-14 13:02:38	alanz	agree on idris
2017-07-14 13:02:49	wz1000	does it work if you force it to recompile by adding a space?
2017-07-14 13:04:02	wz1000	https://github.com/zjhmale/vscode-idris
2017-07-14 13:04:25	alanz	yes
2017-07-14 13:04:46	alanz	written in javascript
2017-07-14 13:05:59	wz1000	hmm, the language server seems dead.
2017-07-14 13:06:01	wz1000	https://github.com/zjhmale/idris-lsp
2017-07-14 13:06:09	wz1000	I couldn't find anything else.
2017-07-14 13:07:07	wz1000	alanz: Try opening that file alone, then closing it and reopening it.
2017-07-14 13:20:37	alanz	ok
2017-07-14 13:52:54	alanz	ok, I can reproduce it by closing and re-opening it
2017-07-14 13:53:34	alanz	I suspect it is a map-file cache thing somehow
2017-07-14 13:54:37	alanz	btw, I think we are close to being able to add hie on here: https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues/8
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2017-07-14 14:40:16	wz1000	but if you are just opening and closing it, the file is never mapped.
2017-07-14 14:55:24	alanz	yes, I see that. Diving in deeper
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2017-07-14 16:36:13	alanz	wz1000: It seems to be related to the session caching in ghc-mod, if I force a dropSession before loading it works. Which means my setting of dynflags is not always taking effect. Hmm.
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2017-07-14 18:36:15	alanz	wz1000: I am coming to the conclusion that ForceRecomp does not necessarily work as advertised. 
2017-07-14 18:36:39	alanz	So maybe we should map the files we care about always, even when unchanged
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2017-07-14 18:44:47	wz1000	alanz: some error messages report the location of the mapped file instead of the actual one.
2017-07-14 18:45:33	alanz	well, that is a problem we have to solve anyway, regardless. This is just avoiding it for the first-load scenarion
2017-07-14 18:45:37	alanz	scenario
2017-07-14 18:45:37	wz1000	Maybe we can just try to use parseModule and typecheckModule if we don't get info from the hook.
2017-07-14 18:45:57	wz1000	I delete the mapped file on saves.
2017-07-14 18:46:06	alanz	I used to do that in HaRe. Then took it out to make sure I understood what is going on
2017-07-14 18:46:28	alanz	Don't we populate the VFS on file open, where we get the full contents?
2017-07-14 18:47:09	alanz	As an aside, manual loading if the hook fails is also an option, but rather have one mechanism than two, if possible
2017-07-14 18:47:32	wz1000	yes. the vfs is always populated.
2017-07-14 18:47:34	alanz	So to me always loading files of interest via a map file might be a better option
2017-07-14 18:47:55	alanz	at least it means we see and fix bugs related to unsaved files
2017-07-14 18:48:53	alanz	But there is something niggling on the hook, and I suspect it is that I am not managing to update the modsummary
2017-07-14 18:48:57	wz1000	afaik, map-file dumps the vfs contents(that we pass as a string) on changes. The file is mapped on a change, and it is unmapped on saves or closing the file.
2017-07-14 18:49:21	alanz	so maybe we should disable the unmap on save
2017-07-14 18:49:27	alanz	keep it on close though
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2017-07-14 18:49:52	wz1000	and map it on open?
2017-07-14 18:49:56	alanz	yes
2017-07-14 18:50:25	alanz	its a workaround, and keeps things consistent
2017-07-14 18:50:42	alanz	I will keep looking at this, something is not right, I am not sure what though
2017-07-14 18:51:17	wz1000	I've tried it with multiple codebases, but this only happens on ghc-mod.
2017-07-14 18:51:29	wz1000	Might be something special in the configuration 
2017-07-14 18:52:16	wz1000	it has a custom setup.hs
2017-07-14 18:53:39	alanz	yes. I just tried blowing away the dist dir and configuring only without a build, no luck
2017-07-14 18:54:05	alanz	It looks to me like the changes to the session are not sticking, somehow
2017-07-14 18:54:29	alanz	which means that either the hook is not being set, or the file is not being recompiled
2017-07-14 18:54:54	alanz	And if a map file is used the hook triggers, and for a fresh session the hook triggers
2017-07-14 18:55:28	alanz	But for an unchanged file it does not. So I suspect ForceRecomp does not work, if there is no work to be done at all.
2017-07-14 18:55:50	wz1000	but it works with all the other projects i've tried.
2017-07-14 18:56:11	wz1000	so clearly forceRecomp works for those.
2017-07-14 18:56:29	alanz	it only seems to have to problem with specific files. And they differ for you and for me
2017-07-14 18:56:38	alanz	Which points to some weird bug
2017-07-14 18:57:04	alanz	For me it is GhcMod.Stack
2017-07-14 18:58:40	alanz	but if I open it, then close it, then load say SrcUtils.hs, close that and THEN reload Stack.hs, it loads fine
2017-07-14 18:58:47	wz1000	every single file for me
2017-07-14 18:59:00	alanz	Which makes me think it is related to the recompile check.
2017-07-14 18:59:38	alanz	agree, same behaviour on all too.
2017-07-14 18:59:48	alanz	So I blame the recompile checker.
2017-07-14 19:00:06	alanz	time to dive into GHC
2017-07-14 19:00:36	alanz	there are pages on the ghc wiki specifically dedicated to the recompile checking stuff
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2017-07-14 19:02:20	alanz	And I think I see the problem.
2017-07-14 19:02:50	alanz	ghc load first calls depanal again, to get the module graph
2017-07-14 19:03:05	alanz	and re-uses the mod-summaries from the old graph
2017-07-14 19:03:33	alanz	EXCEPT, they are replaced with fresh ones if ForceRecomp is set
2017-07-14 19:03:47	alanz	so the hook setting in the modsummary gets trashed
2017-07-14 19:04:44	alanz	so we must call load' instead.
2017-07-14 19:04:59	wz1000	what is load'?
2017-07-14 19:05:12	alanz	OR, set the global dynflags to have the hook
2017-07-14 19:05:54	wz1000	ok, in HscEnv?
2017-07-14 19:06:07	alanz	and load' only exists in master. damn
2017-07-14 19:07:03	alanz	ok, I have a theory at least, let me dive in deeper. But the main flags are supposed to have the hook set. grr.
2017-07-14 19:08:15	wz1000	but why does it work for the others?
2017-07-14 19:12:13	alanz	and we are setting the global hook in switching to interpreted mode
2017-07-14 19:12:35	alanz	Which may be the reason it fails for ghc-mod, using interpreted mode.
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2017-07-15 14:21:00	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/README.md
2017-07-15 14:21:14	wz1000	apparently github doesn't support embedding webms
2017-07-15 14:21:34	wz1000	are the previews too small?
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2017-07-15 15:07:12	alanz	wz1000: I think if they could be a bit bigger it would help
2017-07-15 15:07:24	alanz	Looking good though
2017-07-15 15:11:34	wz1000	alanz: Did you check just now? I increased the size a bit recently.
2017-07-15 15:12:39	wz1000	I've been struggling to have a readable, high quality gif while maintaining a reasonable file size.
2017-07-15 15:13:13	wz1000	maybe we can scale the images in the markdown itself.
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2017-07-15 15:54:30	alanz	wz1000: they are probably fine, if I scale the page they scale too, so it is ok
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2017-07-15 22:17:31	--	Topic for #haskell-ide-engine is "https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine. Still not an IDE. | Logs at http://ircbrowse.net/haskell-ide-engine | API Docs  https://haskell.github.io/haskell-ide-engine/ | POC Hierarchical menus in emacs https://i.imgur.com/n7M9ye2.png | POC leksah integration using https://github.com/JPMoresmau/leksah-server/tree/hie_integration and  https://github.com/leksah/leksah/tree/hie_integr"
2017-07-15 22:17:31	--	Topic set by alanz (alanz@gateway/shell/firrre/x-ndioycaynkxzpmlf) on Fri, 01 Jan 2016 16:29:43
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2017-07-16 15:26:16	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/docs/Architecture.md
2017-07-16 15:26:23	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/docs/Report-2017-07.md
2017-07-16 15:28:27	wz1000	I also fixed a bug with the file mappings- if the file mappings change and we are using an old typechecked module, it will report the old file mappings, which we can't convert to new ones.
2017-07-16 15:30:18	wz1000	So now I included the reverse mapping function with the typechecked module - so that the file mapping state at the time of load is stored.
2017-07-16 15:30:26	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/08f43b8c8e46ab6b77071e38e6df8eb830a44d4b
2017-07-16 16:00:39	alanz	wz1000: you've been busy.
2017-07-16 16:00:52	alanz	Took a look at all three, looks good
2017-07-16 16:02:50	--	Notice(GitHub147): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #260: Updated README/Docs, a few bug fixes. (master...master) https://git.io/vQFse
2017-07-16 16:02:58	wz1000	alanz: ^
2017-07-16 16:03:45	alanz	ok, will merge when CI passes
2017-07-16 16:05:18	alanz	github is strange. I follow wz1000 but do not see changes to wz1000/haskell-ide-engine
2017-07-16 16:05:30	alanz	Now following the repo too
2017-07-16 16:08:05	wz1000	I think we can announce an alpha on the mailing list, reddit etc.
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2017-07-16 16:10:54	wz1000	alanz: I made a few other minor changes to the docs too. check the full diff on the PR too.
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2017-07-16 16:12:12	alanz	yes, I saw that. It is good, the docs have had no attention for a long time
2017-07-16 16:13:49	wz1000	if you think we need any other changes, do tell.
2017-07-16 16:14:29	wz1000	alanz: do we need the elisp and hie-docs-generator?
2017-07-16 16:14:59	alanz	I think the elisp should go, not sure about the docs generator
2017-07-16 16:15:35	alanz	It was something cocreature put in, and may still be useful
2017-07-16 16:16:25	wz1000	it could generate docs for executeCommand.
2017-07-16 16:22:27	alanz	that would be useful
2017-07-16 16:25:11	wz1000	but its broken right now. I remember putting in an undefined or two in there when I did one of my first refactorings.
2017-07-16 16:26:11	wz1000	yes, here: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-docs-generator/src/Examples.hs#L27
2017-07-16 16:26:36	wz1000	also, this line looks fishy to me: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-docs-generator/src/Main.hs#L105
2017-07-16 16:41:25	wz1000	alanz: CI passed. Can you make the announcement?
2017-07-16 17:02:25	alanz	wz1000: ok
2017-07-16 17:02:48	--	Notice(GitHub93): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #260: Updated README/Docs, a few bug fixes. (master...master) https://git.io/vQFse
2017-07-16 17:02:51	--	Notice(GitHub65): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 8 new commits to master: https://git.io/vQFZn
2017-07-16 17:02:51	--	Notice(GitHub65): haskell-ide-engine/master 25223d8 Zubin Duggal: added some logging
2017-07-16 17:02:51	--	Notice(GitHub65): haskell-ide-engine/master a588fce Zubin Duggal: updated README
2017-07-16 17:02:51	--	Notice(GitHub65): haskell-ide-engine/master afec4ef Zubin Duggal: made previews for hie features
2017-07-16 17:04:29	alanz	I just want to do a final smoke test on my local copy first
2017-07-16 17:07:38	alanz	wz1000: how big are those images? taking forever to download
2017-07-16 17:09:07	alanz	I suspect we are going to have to do repo surgery to remove them from the history
2017-07-16 17:12:11	alanz	15M, 17M. crazy
2017-07-16 17:14:26	alanz	The previews directory is 106M. Way too big for a source repo
2017-07-16 17:24:00	alanz	the largest intero gif is 240k
2017-07-16 17:24:10	alanz	Maybe we should find out how they do it?
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2017-07-16 17:55:02	alanz	fwiw, the intero stuff is at 3 frames/sec, the hie ones at 20 f/s
2017-07-16 17:58:52	alanz	and, "ffmpeg -i diagnostics.gif -movflags faststart -pix_fmt yuv420p -vf "scale=trunc(iw/2)*2:trunc(ih/2)*2" video.mp4" reduces 17MB to 440k
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2017-07-16 19:48:28	cocreature	you might want to change “Document Symbols” into “List all symbols” or something like that. I was expecting to see haddocks for symbols
2017-07-16 19:48:50	cocreature	“Document Highlight” is also slightly confusing. maybe “highlight all references”
2017-07-16 19:51:17	wz1000	cocreature: thats what it was called in LSP
2017-07-16 19:51:56	cocreature	wz1000: I don’t think that users care about that or should have to care about that
2017-07-16 20:01:22	alanz	wz1000: I am going to remove all the preview stuff from the repo(+history) and put just the gifs back, but at 3fps
2017-07-16 20:01:33	alanz	its going to get ugly.
2017-07-16 20:02:00	alanz	And you are going to have to do the same to your repo, so we do not re-pollute the main one with the blobs
2017-07-16 20:02:20	wz1000	alanz: ok, I messed up. Sorry
2017-07-16 20:03:04	wz1000	alanz: btw, the original webms are in the repo too. You can use those as your source.
2017-07-16 20:03:06	alanz	no problem, it is a learning process. 
2017-07-16 20:03:12	alanz	And the gifs are great
2017-07-16 20:03:44	alanz	It's like everyone has to drop the production db at least once in their careers :)
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2017-07-16 22:35:02	wz1000	alanz: I set the framerate to 5 and it reduced the size of the .gif files to 45 mb from 88.
2017-07-16 22:35:13	wz1000	maybe we should host them externally?
2017-07-16 22:35:55	alanz	That is an option
2017-07-16 22:36:11	alanz	but where?
2017-07-16 22:36:22	alanz	unless it is in the wiki?
2017-07-16 22:37:31	alanz	I think we should reduce the frame rate to 3/sec, and perhaps reduce the resolution from 640x395 to 400x_
2017-07-16 22:37:54	alanz	and maybe increase the original font size a couple of steps first
2017-07-16 22:38:15	wz1000	I had the resolution as 420x_ , but it was too small 
2017-07-16 22:38:47	alanz	and if you push the font size up first?
2017-07-16 22:39:13	alanz	Like when you do a presentation, and it is too big for normal use, but looks clear
2017-07-16 22:40:34	wz1000	I'll try. I think it should be possible to scale them up in the markdown itself too.
2017-07-16 22:42:06	alanz	ok. I will leave that to you then, and will focus on purging the current contents of the preview dir
2017-07-16 22:42:27	 *	alanz just had to compile gifsicle from source, bug in frame range specs
2017-07-16 22:43:06	alanz	https://github.com/kohler/gifsicle/issues/39
2017-07-16 22:43:16	wz1000	nasty. My distros package for gifsicle worked for me.
2017-07-16 22:44:02	wz1000	I was using gifsicle -O3 $f -o $f to optimize
2017-07-16 22:44:56	alanz	that all works, but I dropped 6 out of 7 frames, then tried to change the rate.
2017-07-16 22:45:00	alanz	And hit that error
2017-07-16 22:46:19	alanz	http://lpaste.net/2473301417557753856
2017-07-16 22:46:26	alanz	the last line was barfing
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2017-07-16 22:47:52	wz1000	do you need the "#0-
2017-07-16 22:47:54	wz1000	?
2017-07-16 22:48:12	alanz	yes, to tell it to do the delay change for all frames
2017-07-16 22:48:33	alanz	without it it says it has nothing to apply to.
2017-07-16 22:48:47	alanz	With the version shipped with debian testing anyway
2017-07-16 22:50:16	wz1000	hmm. works for me without batch mode.
2017-07-16 22:50:56	wz1000	the ffmpeg command you wrote generates an mp4. Those have good compression anyway. Like the webms.
2017-07-16 22:52:26	alanz	but it doesn't loop. 
2017-07-16 22:53:14	wz1000	what doesn't loop?
2017-07-16 22:53:15	alanz	https://rigor.com/blog/2015/12/optimizing-animated-gifs-with-html5-video
2017-07-16 22:53:20	alanz	the mp4
2017-07-16 22:53:26	alanz	or does it?
2017-07-16 22:54:22	wz1000	I don't know. but I'm pretty sure github doesn't support embedding that.
2017-07-16 22:55:00	alanz	It might be worth doing an experiment, on a throwaway test repo
2017-07-16 22:55:57	alanz	btw: https://github.com/etianen/html5media/wiki/embedding-video
2017-07-16 22:56:23	alanz	ok, that's not wrt github
2017-07-16 22:56:53	wz1000	I did a lot of those yesterday. had some 15 commits that I finally squashed down to one.
2017-07-16 22:57:53	alanz	to the haskell-ide-engine repo, or to a separate one that you then delete?
2017-07-16 22:59:22	wz1000	to the haskell-ide-engine one.
2017-07-16 23:01:03	wz1000	got them down to 32.2 M, with the same dimensions and 3 fps
2017-07-16 23:01:21	alanz	because anything you put in stays in the repo, it is just not visible via the normal methods
2017-07-16 23:01:36	alanz	which directory are they in? all /preview?
2017-07-16 23:02:08	wz1000	yes. But those commits were mostly just changing the readme, not uploading new stuff.
2017-07-16 23:02:31	alanz	ok, those are fine, anything to do with the video files is a problem
2017-07-16 23:02:47	wz1000	if I add a file, commit, delete, commit, then squash those two commits, would the file remain in the history?
2017-07-16 23:02:55	alanz	yes
2017-07-16 23:03:17	alanz	there is a command something like "git reflog" that will show it
2017-07-16 23:03:18	wz1000	but there would be no trace of the file in the commit history.
2017-07-16 23:03:39	alanz	git is an append only store
2017-07-16 23:03:52	alanz	with meta-info
2017-07-16 23:04:00	alanz	which shows branches etc
2017-07-16 23:05:06	alanz	I am going to use this, I think: https://rtyley.github.io/bfg-repo-cleaner/
2017-07-16 23:05:16	alanz	as recommended by github
2017-07-16 23:06:19	alanz	from https://help.github.com/articles/removing-files-from-a-repository-s-history/
2017-07-16 23:06:57	wz1000	would resetting it to the state before the merge fix it?
2017-07-16 23:07:07	wz1000	with force-push or something?
2017-07-16 23:07:35	alanz	nope.
2017-07-16 23:08:03	alanz	There are two ways to sort it out, the filter-history way, and the bfg way, which is just a fancy ui on the filter-histpry
2017-07-16 23:08:11	alanz	filter-branch
2017-07-16 23:08:18	wz1000	sorry for the goof up :(
2017-07-16 23:08:28	alanz	I have had to do this before, through errors on my part :)
2017-07-16 23:08:52	alanz	it goes with the territory. It won't be the last time either of us do it
2017-07-16 23:09:55	alanz	but I think it does mean we need to blow away our local repos, and clean them each. So the haskell, wz1000, alanz hie repos each need to be scrubbed
2017-07-16 23:10:18	wz1000	ok
2017-07-16 23:10:47	alanz	and the thing to do is to rename your current local one, so that you have it as backup if there is a problem.
2017-07-16 23:10:55	alanz	Then do the process on a new repo
2017-07-16 23:11:07	alanz	then checkout your working clone again
2017-07-16 23:15:00	wz1000	how do we fix the github stuff? won't we lose the issues and other stuff that way?
2017-07-16 23:18:13	alanz	it looks like commit 7100 is a big one too
2017-07-16 23:18:38	alanz	The process woks by doing a --mirror clone, making the changes then syncing it back
2017-07-16 23:18:44	alanz	And that cleans up github too
2017-07-16 23:19:03	alanz	I am taking notes of my cleanup, will post a gist when done
2017-07-16 23:20:10	wz1000	7100?
2017-07-16 23:25:00	alanz	when you clone a repo it gives a count.
2017-07-16 23:25:06	alanz	And at that point a lot comes in.
2017-07-16 23:25:12	alanz	No idea what it means.
2017-07-16 23:25:20	alanz	But for me a git clone takes forever
2017-07-16 23:25:55	alanz	Currently at 7110/7453
2017-07-16 23:26:02	alanz	and has brought in 89MB
2017-07-16 23:26:36	alanz	40kbytes/sec
2017-07-16 23:27:14	alanz	And I know the last commit is another 110Mb :)
2017-07-16 23:30:43	alanz	total ends up 107MB. odd
2017-07-16 23:30:48	wz1000	I did a fresh clone and the total size of the repo is 211 M
2017-07-16 23:33:00	wz1000	we can host the gifs on imgur or something.
2017-07-16 23:33:24	alanz	ok
2017-07-16 23:33:55	alanz	did you do "git clone --mirror git@github.com:wz1000/haskell-ide-engine.git"
2017-07-16 23:34:04	wz1000	no
2017-07-16 23:34:11	wz1000	without the --mirror
2017-07-16 23:34:16	alanz	ok, you need to do that for the cleanup to work
2017-07-16 23:43:13	--	Notice(GitHub179): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vQFwY
2017-07-16 23:43:13	--	Notice(GitHub179): haskell-ide-engine/master bbcba4e Alan Zimmerman: Removing large image files, so bfg can scrub them from the history
2017-07-16 23:44:09	wz1000	ok, done
2017-07-16 23:45:11	wz1000	the size of the --mirror is only 105 M
2017-07-16 23:45:54	alanz	wz1000: it seems we need to do this: http://lpaste.net/463221693276487680
2017-07-16 23:46:19	alanz	And I just pushed a commit that deletes the files from the master branch, else it won't allow them to be cleaned up
2017-07-16 23:46:25	alanz	Doing a fresh clone now
2017-07-16 23:47:07	alanz	which may be unnecessary, but I am in unknown territory 
2017-07-16 23:47:46	wz1000	can't we somehow mirror your fork(alanz/) to haskell/?
2017-07-16 23:47:56	wz1000	And then manually copy the changes?
2017-07-16 23:48:02	alanz	I am working against the haskell fork
2017-07-16 23:48:04	wz1000	It is only 9 commits behind.
2017-07-16 23:48:17	wz1000	Your fork is clean, no?
2017-07-16 23:48:21	alanz	I did a sync of my fork against haskell
2017-07-16 23:48:30	alanz	that is where I saw the file size problem
2017-07-16 23:48:48	wz1000	but it doesn't show on github.
2017-07-16 23:48:59	wz1000	so can't you clone that?
2017-07-16 23:49:01	alanz	I did it locally, have not pushed.
2017-07-16 23:49:18	alanz	Or rather, I started pushing, and aborted part way through
2017-07-16 23:49:23	alanz	So I am not sure of the state
2017-07-16 23:49:31	alanz	Will rather go through this to be sure
2017-07-16 23:49:38	wz1000	yeah, so can't we use your fork(as on github), to fix everything?
2017-07-16 23:50:05	alanz	so completing my push to my fork
2017-07-16 23:50:10	alanz	no.
2017-07-16 23:50:20	alanz	Have to do this mirror, cleanup, push thing
2017-07-16 23:50:26	alanz	On every infected repo
2017-07-16 23:50:30	alanz	it is a pain
2017-07-16 23:50:43	wz1000	ok
2017-07-16 23:51:01	alanz	Or rather, that is how I understand it. I may be wrong.
2017-07-16 23:55:39	alanz	wz1000: I have done it to haskell, updated the gist with the details. http://lpaste.net/463221693276487680
2017-07-16 23:55:43	alanz	pretty painless
2017-07-16 23:55:48	alanz	now to do mine
2017-07-16 23:56:18	alanz	except I am saturating my uplink. 
2017-07-16 23:58:27	alanz	and master is protected. hmm.
2017-07-17 00:01:00	--	Notice(GitHub20): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz force-pushed master from bbcba4e to 77754ed: https://git.io/vQFre
2017-07-17 00:01:00	--	Notice(GitHub20): haskell-ide-engine/master 93d60c0 Zubin Duggal: made previews for hie features
2017-07-17 00:01:00	--	Notice(GitHub20): haskell-ide-engine/master d5a6928 Zubin Duggal: testing github readme
2017-07-17 00:01:00	--	Notice(GitHub20): haskell-ide-engine/master 47cdb9b Zubin Duggal: Cache file map state on TypecheckedModule load - avoids bugs when file mappings change before fresh TypecheckedModule is loaded
2017-07-17 00:02:10	alanz	and that may have done it.
2017-07-17 00:02:23	alanz	Making a fresh clone to check
2017-07-17 00:07:17	wz1000	alanz: yes, it worked. A fresh clone only brings in ~2mb of stuff
2017-07-17 00:07:27	alanz	awesome
2017-07-17 00:07:38	alanz	I will do mine a bit later, need to do something else now
2017-07-17 00:07:53	alanz	Do yours too, shout if you need help
2017-07-17 00:14:36	wz1000	alanz: I force-pushed my clone of haskell/ to wz1000/ and it seemed to fix it.
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2017-07-17 00:14:47	alanz	great
2017-07-17 00:14:56	alanz	the --mirror one?
2017-07-17 00:15:07	wz1000	no, a regular one
2017-07-17 00:15:17	alanz	ok, good to know.
2017-07-17 00:15:31	alanz	Did you do a fresh clone of it and check the size?
2017-07-17 00:15:35	wz1000	yes
2017-07-17 00:15:37	wz1000	2 mb
2017-07-17 00:27:22	alanz	awesome. So what did you do to achieve that?
2017-07-17 00:27:44	alanz	clone haskell and force push to yours?
2017-07-17 00:28:10	wz1000	yes
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2017-07-17 12:16:32	alanz	wz1000: just cleaned my own branch of hie, using bfg. Back to 2MB clone
2017-07-17 12:21:31	wz1000	alanz: nice. I updated the README, but the hover and diagnostics gifs don't show for me. It seems like github does some caching even when linking external hosts.
2017-07-17 12:21:36	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine
2017-07-17 12:22:19	alanz	yes, pretty sure they are using some sort of CDN
2017-07-17 12:22:29	alanz	no idea what the expiry is
2017-07-17 12:22:48	alanz	What we could do, is make a repo called haskell-ide-engine-previews
2017-07-17 12:22:56	alanz	and just put the gifs inthere
2017-07-17 12:23:02	alanz	and that is a known big one
2017-07-17 12:23:10	alanz	but not required for the build
2017-07-17 12:26:29	wz1000	I think these gifs were too big for embedding. They are the only ones over 5M. So I can just rerecord those.
2017-07-17 12:28:04	alanz	ok. And do it at 3fps
2017-07-17 12:28:25	alanz	and push up the font size to at least double what you had before
2017-07-17 12:29:21	alanz	here's a thought: link to youtube videos
2017-07-17 12:29:30	alanz	or vimeo etc
2017-07-17 12:29:49	alanz	then you can do it at decent resolution etc
2017-07-17 12:51:26	wz1000	but those won't be embedded.
2017-07-17 13:00:47	alanz	ok, I'm not big on those kinds of details
2017-07-17 13:10:31	--	Notice(GitHub182): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #261: Updated README, fixed previews. (master...master) https://git.io/vQbmN
2017-07-17 13:10:34	wz1000	alanz: ^
2017-07-17 13:12:42	alanz	are the images intended to render inline? I just see links?
2017-07-17 13:13:18	alanz	oops, wrong repo
2017-07-17 13:13:55	alanz	looks good
2017-07-17 13:14:40	alanz	perhaps add a section somewhere (sometime) as to how to create/update the gifs. Now we know how.
2017-07-17 13:15:29	wz1000	I just link them. If we need to update them, we just change the links.
2017-07-17 13:16:31	alanz	ok. What are you using to capture the gifs?
2017-07-17 13:16:46	wz1000	simplescreenrecorder
2017-07-17 13:16:52	alanz	ok
2017-07-17 13:17:09	alanz	looking good. Can do the announcement once the merge goes through.
2017-07-17 13:17:22	alanz	We both learned from this.
2017-07-17 13:17:48	alanz	I need to clean up the HaRe repo like that too, it once upon a time received a whole lot of .o and .hi files
2017-07-17 13:18:05	wz1000	yeah. sorry once again.
2017-07-17 13:18:23	alanz	no problem, we all have to do that some time.
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2017-07-17 13:57:27	wz1000	alanz: have you tested it with emacs recently? If its useable, it might be a good idea to provide instructions to use hie with emacs.
2017-07-17 14:19:23	alanz	I haven't. Will give it a try
2017-07-17 14:20:06	alanz	but the main emacs-lsp guy is busy with GSOC, so won't be happy with a flood of bug reports until done. I imagine
2017-07-17 14:50:46	wz1000	CI passed.
2017-07-17 14:51:59	alanz	at last
2017-07-17 14:52:27	alanz	merged
2017-07-17 14:52:28	--	Notice(GitHub64): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #261: Updated README, fixed previews. (master...master) https://git.io/vQbmN
2017-07-17 14:52:28	--	Notice(GitHub55): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/vQbCG
2017-07-17 14:52:28	--	Notice(GitHub55): haskell-ide-engine/master 9a9bafa Zubin Duggal: updated README, minor fix
2017-07-17 14:52:28	--	Notice(GitHub55): haskell-ide-engine/master 1a19a07 Zubin Duggal: updated README
2017-07-17 14:52:28	--	Notice(GitHub55): haskell-ide-engine/master 4699900 Zubin Duggal: updated README
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2017-07-17 15:05:54	alanz	wz1000: In my new repo the hoogle stuff does not work. Does the README give instructions on how to build the local DB?
2017-07-17 15:06:09	 *	alanz I guess I should look ...
2017-07-17 15:06:55	wz1000	alanz: no. I wil add them
2017-07-17 15:07:00	alanz	thanks
2017-07-17 15:08:40	alanz	Its good to do a "from scratch" test from time to time
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2017-07-17 15:17:36	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/4aaf497e6c64aecf8e068edb4d4c20c0837b83bd
2017-07-17 15:18:37	--	Notice(GitHub117): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #262: Added hoogle instructions to README (master...master) https://git.io/vQb8e
2017-07-17 15:18:40	wz1000	alanz: ^
2017-07-17 15:18:57	alanz	did you put [skip ci] in it somewhere?
2017-07-17 15:19:05	wz1000	no
2017-07-17 15:19:15	alanz	I'm just doing the instructions to locally to confirm
2017-07-17 15:19:37	alanz	I think if you put [skip ci] in the message it wont do it. 
2017-07-17 15:19:51	alanz	will merge once I have done them here
2017-07-17 15:25:07	alanz	Its funny how quickly you get addicted to having hoogle info available on hover
2017-07-17 15:25:48	wz1000	yes, its nice. We have it in completions too.
2017-07-17 15:26:00	alanz	great
2017-07-17 15:27:00	alanz	And having some way to refresh it could be good some time. Something like a command exposed via LSP that calls "stack hoogle" or cabal exec hoogle or whatever as appropriate
2017-07-17 15:27:08	alanz	in a sub-process or some such
2017-07-17 15:27:32	 *	alanz testing stack hoogle on hie atm
2017-07-17 15:32:42	alanz	It looks like you have to do a stack build after stack hoogle, else hie cant find the deps. Complaining about
2017-07-17 15:32:45	alanz	DEBUG: initSession: Session not initialized, creating new one
2017-07-17 15:32:45	alanz	hie: <command line>: cannot satisfy -package-id haskell-lsp-0.1.0.0-9I9BRCiRfb8EtlmnU5qKhD
2017-07-17 15:32:58	alanz	in the vomit log in vscode
2017-07-17 15:34:05	alanz	So maybe we should say that? After stack build again it is fine. I wonder if this is a bug in ghc-mod
2017-07-17 15:37:05	alanz	And I wonder if the stuff arrowd is doing could be used to manage the build process
2017-07-17 15:39:49	alanz	Its looking really good.
2017-07-17 15:40:45	wz1000	alanz: the cabal haddoc command only builds the db for the project, not the deps
2017-07-17 15:40:52	wz1000	so don't merge yet.
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2017-07-17 15:53:58	alanz	ok
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2017-07-17 16:14:59	wz1000	alanz: so should I add the stack build to the instructions?
2017-07-17 16:16:19	alanz	Yes, or just point out that it should be done.
2017-07-17 16:16:36	alanz	Better to prevent known future issues
2017-07-17 16:17:00	alanz	because I am hoping we will get people trying it out when the report goes out
2017-07-17 16:27:05	alanz	wz1000: It seems to work in emacs, based on the subset currently supported there.
2017-07-17 16:27:15	alanz	FYI, it gives this: Error from the Language Server: IdeError {ideCode = PluginError, ideMessage = "hare:getReferencesInDoc: \"Invalid cursor position\"", ideInfo = Null} (Internal Error) [5 times]
2017-07-17 16:27:58	alanz	Which I guess is just the normal Hover response when the cursor is not on anything that can be hovered
2017-07-17 16:28:08	wz1000	yes. 
2017-07-17 16:28:32	wz1000	we can make it return the empty list
2017-07-17 16:29:18	alanz	I think that would be better. It is not actually an error
2017-07-17 16:35:39	wz1000	alanz: what about for findDef?
2017-07-17 16:36:23	alanz	I don't think it is currently implemented. Let me check.
2017-07-17 16:36:59	wz1000	alanz: I mean the response when the symbol is invalid. It also returns the same error.
2017-07-17 16:37:21	alanz	ok.
2017-07-17 16:37:34	alanz	How does the UI invoke findDef?
2017-07-17 16:37:56	alanz	As part of goto definition?
2017-07-17 16:38:02	wz1000	yes
2017-07-17 16:38:31	wz1000	I don't think we have any other choice for find def.
2017-07-17 16:38:53	wz1000	the response is a location. So we have to fail with an error.
2017-07-17 16:39:02	alanz	In vscode it comes back with "no definition found", which makes sense
2017-07-17 16:39:12	alanz	So I think that is fine
2017-07-17 16:39:35	alanz	BTW, I was thinking, when you run with vomit enabled, you can see feedback about the state of loading of a file
2017-07-17 16:39:39	wz1000	alanz: it also prints a message in the outbut.
2017-07-17 16:39:58	alanz	It might be good to send a status message about that
2017-07-17 16:40:15	wz1000	hmm, but how do we get the progress?
2017-07-17 16:40:19	alanz	I know there is discussion on the protocol issues bout using that.
2017-07-17 16:40:40	alanz	I think ghc-mod is able to stream the log back. There is a separate thread listening on it
2017-07-17 16:40:52	alanz	For the right version of gmout
2017-07-17 16:40:56	alanz	or somesuch
2017-07-17 16:41:15	alanz	You can see it in action when ghc-mod is called with the interactive flag set
2017-07-17 16:41:52	alanz	worst case we could pass in some kind of TChan etc and listen on it
2017-07-17 16:42:25	alanz	since the dispatcher runs in a separate thread to lspstdio
2017-07-17 16:44:33	alanz	Is there any way to find all the references to a given definition in the project?
2017-07-17 16:45:49	alanz	textDocument/references
2017-07-17 16:45:49	wz1000	alanz: no, only in the file
2017-07-17 16:45:59	wz1000	we don't support that yet.
2017-07-17 16:46:01	alanz	will be good to implement sometime
2017-07-17 16:46:09	wz1000	yes, but how?
2017-07-17 16:46:26	alanz	similar to the hareRename, I guess.
2017-07-17 16:46:40	wz1000	find definition module, load everythingn that imports that module, search in those?
2017-07-17 16:46:47	alanz	yes
2017-07-17 16:47:03	alanz	or, eventually, perhaps, use a tags file
2017-07-17 16:47:16	wz1000	like cscope?
2017-07-17 16:47:22	alanz	yes. or codex
2017-07-17 16:47:32	alanz	(to generate it)
2017-07-17 16:48:37	wz1000	but codex isn't for references afaik. It is for definitions only
2017-07-17 16:48:44	alanz	but I see us one day getting this sort of info out of a ghc compile, by setting the right flags to keep the info
2017-07-17 16:48:57	alanz	ok
2017-07-17 16:49:07	alanz	and put it in a local db
2017-07-17 16:49:31	alanz	a sort of hoogle on steroids
2017-07-17 16:50:14	alanz	effectively we just need the HaRe NameMap for each file
2017-07-17 16:50:37	alanz	but maybe persisted
2017-07-17 16:55:01	wz1000	alanz: I pushed all the changes.
2017-07-17 17:06:18	alanz	ok
2017-07-17 17:08:19	alanz	there are code changes too, probably best to wait for ci
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2017-07-17 18:18:50	wz1000	alanz: ci passed.
2017-07-17 18:19:41	alanz	ok
2017-07-17 18:20:15	--	Notice(GitHub47): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/vQbi6
2017-07-17 18:20:15	--	Notice(GitHub47): haskell-ide-engine/master 4aaf497 Zubin Duggal: Added hoogle instructions to README
2017-07-17 18:20:15	--	Notice(GitHub47): haskell-ide-engine/master 4a7fca7 Zubin Duggal: Updated hoogle instructions, minor changes
2017-07-17 18:20:15	--	Notice(GitHub47): haskell-ide-engine/master 9b07cb7 Zubin Duggal: Updated hoogle instructions, minor changes
2017-07-17 18:20:17	--	Notice(GitHub132): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #262: Added hoogle instructions to README (master...master) https://git.io/vQb8e
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2017-07-17 18:24:31	alanz	wz1000: time to send the report?
2017-07-17 18:25:54	wz1000	ok
2017-07-17 18:29:11	alanz	sent ....
2017-07-17 18:29:54	alanz	FYI. this can get interesting: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/graphs/traffic
2017-07-17 18:30:24	alanz	were at 68/10 before sending
2017-07-17 18:30:41	alanz	for 909/133 for the month
2017-07-17 18:31:36	wz1000	alanz: You sent it to the mailing list?
2017-07-17 18:31:56	alanz	haskell-cafe
2017-07-17 18:32:40	alanz	https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2017-July/127549.html
2017-07-17 18:33:22	alanz	and copy-pasting the page from github was not a good idea. Oh well
2017-07-17 18:33:40	wz1000	what about reddit etc. ?
2017-07-17 18:34:17	alanz	I will paste it there soon. I am always interested to see if anyone else does
2017-07-17 18:34:22	alanz	What is etc?
2017-07-17 18:35:30	alanz	https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/6nsxld/haskellcafe_haskell_ide_engine_progress_report/
2017-07-17 18:52:36	alanz	wz1000: https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues/8#issuecomment-315753813
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2017-07-17 20:55:17	alanz	currently 169 views/38 uniques for views of the repo
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2017-07-18 16:36:13	wz1000	alanz: I think it might be a good idea to keep typechecked modules for everything in the project
2017-07-18 16:56:08	alanz	yes, but potential memory usage is a problem. Hence putting some of it into a db of some kind
2017-07-18 17:41:55	--	Notice(GitHub17): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #263: Fixed crash when trying to getCompletions for a file with unqualified "as" imports (master...master) https://git.io/vQx3O
2017-07-18 17:42:18	wz1000	alanz: ^
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2017-07-18 17:43:34	alanz	looking
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2017-07-18 19:20:12	--	Notice(GitHub190): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #263: Fixed crash when trying to getCompletions for a file with unqualified "as" imports (master...master) https://git.io/vQx3O
2017-07-18 19:20:12	--	Notice(GitHub78): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vQx0W
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2017-07-18 19:20:12	--	Notice(GitHub78): haskell-ide-engine/master b80e0c7 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #263 from wz1000/master...
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2017-07-19 00:09:27	wz1000	alanz: did you see what I wrote on #ghc-mod
2017-07-19 00:09:29	wz1000	?
2017-07-19 00:10:10	wz1000	I abandoned hacking on that, but I think I know how to make it work in HIE itself.
2017-07-19 00:10:12	alanz	I saw some stuff earlier, but did not look closely. Hold on
2017-07-19 00:11:27	alanz	ok, sounds good.
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2017-07-19 00:11:51	alanz	I think the first step is to get it to work, in a place you are comfortable working on it 
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2017-07-19 00:12:06	alanz	Once we have it working, we can decide where it should live
2017-07-19 00:12:37	alanz	Because I see a rebalancing between hie and ghc-mod some time anyway, with the core and vfs stuff
2017-07-19 00:13:12	wz1000	yes, but the way it would work in hie would be very different from the way it would work in ghc-mod
2017-07-19 00:13:49	wz1000	In hie, I plan to keep track of the Cradles for every file, and swap them out as needed.
2017-07-19 00:14:23	wz1000	In ghc-mod, the cradle itself will keep track of all the sub projects.
2017-07-19 00:16:34	alanz	To me it feels like there should be a layer above the cradle
2017-07-19 00:16:55	alanz	So that we keep a cradle ::: cabal file invariant
2017-07-19 00:17:32	alanz	Then it is just a matter of deciding which is the active cradle. As you have suggested for use in HIE
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2017-07-19 00:18:08	alanz	and caching the cradle with the file once we start working with it
2017-07-19 00:18:32	alanz	The only complexity will be deciding what is the root of a project.
2017-07-19 00:18:40	wz1000	I was thinking we use findCradle' on the first load of a file, which is cached.
2017-07-19 00:18:57	alanz	ok, that should work.
2017-07-19 00:19:02	wz1000	s/is cached/would be cached for future uses/
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2017-07-19 00:19:30	alanz	The thing is, the client side needs to have some logic to decide what file belongs to what lsp server
2017-07-19 00:19:50	alanz	and potentially launch more than one.
2017-07-19 00:20:07	wz1000	But all this would be handled within the same lsp server
2017-07-19 00:20:19	alanz	So we need to provide very clear guidelines for the clients, once we know what they are
2017-07-19 00:20:45	alanz	I know. But when you open a file the client first decides if it is part of the same server or not.
2017-07-19 00:21:17	alanz	I think in vscode it is simpler, because it is taken from the concept of the open folder === project root
2017-07-19 00:21:32	alanz	so we can rely on there being a single hie session
2017-07-19 00:21:50	alanz	The emacs lsp client for haskell may not. 
2017-07-19 00:22:07	alanz	It calls something from haskell-mode to identify the project dir for a file
2017-07-19 00:23:03	wz1000	hmm. For a cabal project, it is the dir with the .cabal file, and for a stack project, it is the dir with the stack.yaml file.
2017-07-19 00:24:54	alanz	I think we can deal with whatever comes up in practice, once we have the basics
2017-07-19 00:25:21	alanz	You will often find that a master project has a stack.yaml, and so do the sub-projects
2017-07-19 00:25:31	alanz	especially if git submodules are being used
2017-07-19 00:26:17	alanz	But that is a well defined problem, in the sense that we can assume it happens in the client, and that the root dir is set correctly
2017-07-19 00:26:24	alanz	which should hold for vscode
2017-07-19 00:26:54	wz1000	alanz: I can't figure out how we set the root dir in hie.
2017-07-19 00:26:58	alanz	Because I can envisage a scenario where I want to work exclusively on a sub-project, to minimise recompiles
2017-07-19 00:27:17	alanz	it comes from the client library in vscode
2017-07-19 00:27:17	wz1000	we set the current dir to the home dir
2017-07-19 00:27:41	wz1000	alanz: where? I can't see it in hie-vscode.sh
2017-07-19 00:27:52	alanz	We get the project root dir in the initialize message. And do a cwd to it for the hie process
2017-07-19 00:28:12	alanz	https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/protocol.md#initialize
2017-07-19 00:28:24	alanz	rootUri
2017-07-19 00:28:41	wz1000	alanz: does that happen in haskell-lsp?
2017-07-19 00:29:49	alanz	I think so
2017-07-19 00:29:58	alanz	I know it does happen.
2017-07-19 00:31:18	wz1000	yes, it happens in Core.InitializeRequestHandler
2017-07-19 00:31:33	alanz	ok
2017-07-19 00:31:57	alanz	so we keep that as the top of the tree, then work down.
2017-07-19 00:32:13	alanz	or up, when we open a file, not going higher up than that
2017-07-19 00:34:43	wz1000	alanz: would we need to change the cwd?
2017-07-19 00:35:04	alanz	when the cradle changes? I don't think so
2017-07-19 00:35:19	alanz	will have to experiment though
2017-07-19 00:35:55	alanz	There was a time ghc-mod did that, then it stopped. It may have started again,
2017-07-19 00:36:21	alanz	I think it is needed for doing things like configure if needed
2017-07-19 00:36:54	alanz	btw, some time we need to look into what arrowd has been doing, in terms of building
2017-07-19 00:37:34	wz1000	I think the only thing we access in the project dir directly is the hoogle db.
2017-07-19 00:38:36	wz1000	for the rest we do it through ghc-mod or withMappedFile
2017-07-19 00:39:00	wz1000	so the cwd shouldn't matter for those.
2017-07-19 00:40:53	alanz	ok.
2017-07-19 00:41:21	alanz	It is one of the reasons we use full absolute path names for everything. So the cwd becomes not so important
2017-07-19 00:43:42	wz1000	ghc-mod uses the cwd to get the initial cradle though
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2017-07-19 11:41:30	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/f6c36021632f9ad3ac6cc79aeea06c70ac44900a
2017-07-19 11:44:05	wz1000	We run into the recompilation checker, but it mostly works if you force recompilation by adding a space.
2017-07-19 11:44:29	wz1000	It fails to load anything in hie-plugin-api at all for some reason
2017-07-19 11:45:18	wz1000	But hie-hoogle, hie-hare etc. seem to work
2017-07-19 11:45:28	wz1000	(after forcing recompilation)
2017-07-19 11:46:19	alanz	ok.
2017-07-19 11:46:42	alanz	And I think the way to avoid the force-recompilation stuff is to always use a map file.
2017-07-19 11:46:57	alanz	Because then we always use a standard mechanism
2017-07-19 11:49:17	wz1000	I think it fails when a subproject imports anything from the subproject itself.
2017-07-19 11:49:45	wz1000	So any modules in subprojects with internal imports.
2017-07-19 11:56:38	alanz	ok, I am tied up for the next few hours, will be able to look later
2017-07-19 12:26:24	wz1000	Ok, so I started setting cwd to cradleRootDir, for an unrelated issue(the filepaths in srcspans are relative), but is seemed to fix all of the issues
2017-07-19 12:26:37	wz1000	with recompilation, not loading files etc.
2017-07-19 12:36:54	wz1000	in fact, it is working even across projects
2017-07-19 12:37:25	wz1000	I tried loading files from haskell-lsp when hie is the active session, and it works perfectly
2017-07-19 12:39:04	wz1000	of course, find def doesn't work across projects(or sub-projects)
2017-07-19 12:39:40	wz1000	but once we get that working via tags or something, it should be seamless.
2017-07-19 12:39:47	alanz	sounds awesome
2017-07-19 12:40:19	alanz	And I think some kind of db is going to be required, somewhere along the line.
2017-07-19 12:40:54	alanz	btw, not sure if you saw this: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/208
2017-07-19 12:41:57	alanz	And we are up to 454 stars, were 431 before your report :)
2017-07-19 12:43:04	wz1000	nice
2017-07-19 12:43:25	wz1000	do try it out with my latest commit on the multi-project branch
2017-07-19 12:43:55	alanz	ok, will do it soon. In between thing. Day job.
2017-07-19 12:44:30	wz1000	Because I am currently running it with dozens of files open across multiple projects (Hare, ghc-mod, hie, hoogle, haskell-lsp) simultaneously, and I can't find any bugs
2017-07-19 12:44:36	wz1000	It is frankly kind of scary
2017-07-19 12:45:06	wz1000	yeah, whenever you get the time
2017-07-19 12:46:12	alanz	:)
2017-07-19 12:50:32	wz1000	ok I found a minor bug- when you have files open using multiple cradles, type info will sometimes show fully qualified names(with the packages) 
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2017-07-19 13:06:38	alanz	wz1000: just took a look. Working well.
2017-07-19 13:07:22	alanz	I think some time we are going to have to bite the bullet and put the vscode extension into the vscode auto-download thing. Marketplace or something.
2017-07-19 13:07:32	alanz	And consider getting it into stackage.
2017-07-19 13:07:38	wz1000	yes.
2017-07-19 13:07:53	alanz	Except I think we have a lot of exotic deps, so that is not likely to happen for a while
2017-07-19 13:08:26	wz1000	I think it can work simultaneously for everything that uses the version of ghc it was compiled with
2017-07-19 13:08:45	wz1000	regardless of project type
2017-07-19 13:10:08	alanz	That is fine, I think the problem is that our stack.yaml calls for github versions of stuff
2017-07-19 13:10:26	alanz	It can't go into a snapshot until those things are in the snapshot too.
2017-07-19 13:10:49	alanz	Except I wonder if the extensible snapshot thing could work for us. Coming in the new stack
2017-07-19 13:10:58	wz1000	ok. We can start by getting haskell-lsp into stackage.
2017-07-19 13:11:17	alanz	True.
2017-07-19 13:11:34	alanz	Which means first getting it onto hackage.
2017-07-19 13:11:43	alanz	Let me look at doing a release for it
2017-07-19 13:12:04	wz1000	to deal with the different ghc issue- maybe we can have the client extensions detect the version of ghc and call/build the right HIE.
2017-07-19 13:12:26	wz1000	I think hie is using my fork of haskell-lsp. It is up to date with your fork, so we can switch it anytime
2017-07-19 13:13:48	alanz	ok
2017-07-19 13:14:12	alanz	When does it matter if the hie GHC and the project GHC don't match?
2017-07-19 13:14:21	alanz	loading deps, I guess
2017-07-19 13:14:47	alanz	But the eventual plan is to be like intero, stack install / stack exec, will automatically give the matching version
2017-07-19 13:16:17	wz1000	I know ghc-mod breaks(errors out on startup) when used on a project with a different ghc
2017-07-19 13:16:29	wz1000	I'm guessing hie will do the same
2017-07-19 13:17:01	wz1000	my PR to hoogle hasn't been accepted yet. I did have some discussion with ndm though.
2017-07-19 13:17:22	wz1000	https://github.com/ndmitchell/hoogle/pull/216
2017-07-19 13:26:13	alanz	ok
2017-07-19 13:26:46	alanz	nice
2017-07-19 13:29:08	wz1000	stack repl shows definition locations across subprojects
2017-07-19 13:29:25	wz1000	eg: :i IdeM will show exactly where IdeM is defined
2017-07-19 13:29:30	wz1000	how does that work?
2017-07-19 13:32:17	wz1000	I think it concatenates all the build flags then loads everything as one giant project
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2017-07-19 15:05:10	alanz	wz1000: I am already missing the "highlight all instances of this symbol" behaviour in my emacs (non-hie)
2017-07-19 15:06:03	alanz	But what I am working on has weird combinations of makefiles etc. So not (currently) hie capable
2017-07-19 15:14:06	wz1000	yes, that is very useful.
2017-07-19 15:15:19	wz1000	What surprised me was that it also works for time variables. If you have forall a b c d. <some complicated type>, both find def and highlight references would work for the type variables a,b,c,d
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2017-07-19 16:39:23	wz1000	alanz: we should add a way to build the whole project. Right now we only get errors for the current file and all dependent files.
2017-07-19 16:39:33	alanz	well, the renamer renames everything. One thing it doesn't highlight is field punned vars.
2017-07-19 16:40:01	alanz	agree. And perhaps use what arrowsvc has been doing, for that.
2017-07-19 16:40:18	alanz	I undestand his focus is on building via hie
2017-07-19 16:40:38	alanz	her?
2017-07-19 16:40:48	arrowd	His.
2017-07-19 16:40:56	alanz	:)
2017-07-19 16:41:06	alanz	how is the build stuff coming on?
2017-07-19 16:41:24	arrowd	Pretty slowly, unfortunately.
2017-07-19 16:42:19	alanz	ok. But is there any functionality at the moment?
2017-07-19 16:42:39	alanz	It might be interesting to consider a merge, and then taking it forward more generally
2017-07-19 16:43:08	arrowd	https://github.com/arrowd/haskell-ide-engine/blob/build-plugin/hie-build-plugin/Haskell/Ide/BuildPlugin.hs#L58
2017-07-19 16:43:19	arrowd	Up to addTarget command, which isn't implemented.
2017-07-19 16:44:28	arrowd	isPrepared should be removed before merging, as it depends on patched cabal-helper and dxld doesn't want this functionality.
2017-07-19 16:44:37	alanz	because it is the hard one.
2017-07-19 16:44:46	alanz	Does dxld have an alternative?
2017-07-19 16:44:59	alanz	for the isPrepared check?
2017-07-19 16:45:21	arrowd	alanz: https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/pull/30 Here's what we come to.
2017-07-19 16:47:03	alanz	He seems to hint at it being a non-problem when used via ghc-mod.
2017-07-19 16:47:28	alanz	So perhaps the solution is to add a function that probes the cache in ghc-mod?
2017-07-19 16:49:09	wz1000	alanz: field punned vars?
2017-07-19 16:50:49	arrowd	alanz: Or just drop isPrepared. At the end of PR dxld says: > For example on my systems it literally takes like two seconds to compile so why bother?
2017-07-19 16:55:59	alanz	wz1000: that thing where you do Constructor { fieldname } in a match and then use fieldname as a var in the body.
2017-07-19 16:56:10	alanz	arrowd: that sounds fine.
2017-07-19 16:56:55	alanz	wz1000: it may be good to expose those build etc commands. Heaven knows how to invoke them from the client via LSP
2017-07-19 16:57:13	alanz	I suspect vscode has a separate API for that kind of thing
2017-07-19 16:57:33	alanz	As it does for a shell, which may or may not make sense for repl sessions eventually
2017-07-19 17:02:45	wz1000	alanz: vscode has a command prompt. and there is an api to register commands with it.
2017-07-19 17:04:11	alanz	ok. But that is the problem. it has a number of different APIs, for different purposes. There is a debug one too. But we are aiming at cross-ide support, so should limit ourselves to LSP
2017-07-19 17:04:16	alanz	I believe
2017-07-19 17:05:54	wz1000	most editors have an api to call arbitary commands/functions (M-x in emacs, : in vim etc.) 
2017-07-19 17:06:18	wz1000	we can use executeCommand to run the commands we get.
2017-07-19 17:06:38	wz1000	hooking into the editor ui is upto the extension
2017-07-19 17:07:56	wz1000	so we have no special code on the hie side.
2017-07-19 17:08:28	wz1000	But the hie-editor integration plugins do whatever is right for the editor
2017-07-19 17:10:54	alanz	ok
2017-07-19 17:11:27	alanz	that ties up with my thoughts, and the way I am exposing HaRe commands in the emacs version (haskell-lsp)
2017-07-19 17:11:28	--	Notice(GitHub9): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #264: Multi project support (master...multi-project) https://git.io/vQjeV
2017-07-19 17:12:49	wz1000	we also need versions of the hare commands that don't load the typechecked modules on their own.
2017-07-19 17:13:28	alanz	yes, which is part of the deeper integration of hie.
2017-07-19 17:13:49	alanz	Its about getting the layering right, I guess.
2017-07-19 17:14:03	alanz	ghc-mod at the bottom.
2017-07-19 17:14:14	alanz	A caching/mapping layer
2017-07-19 17:14:29	alanz	tools
2017-07-19 17:14:31	alanz	hie
2017-07-19 17:14:32	alanz	client
2017-07-19 17:14:47	alanz	or something like that. hie kind of wraps around things
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2017-07-19 17:18:16	wz1000	alanz: what is the thing I have to write to skip CI?
2017-07-19 17:20:20	alanz	I think those words in the description. I have seen it as [skip CI]. Never used the feature myself, so may have it wrong
2017-07-19 17:21:10	alanz	seems it may be [ci skip]
2017-07-19 17:21:29	alanz	but the https://github.com/travis-ci/travis-ci/issues/911
2017-07-19 17:21:38	alanz	both are valid
2017-07-19 17:23:27	wz1000	hmm, it is running the build(I capitalised CI)
2017-07-19 17:24:43	wz1000	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/264/commits/8d8b30725be1238ef53a8110d1cb73093397f2c5
2017-07-19 17:24:54	alanz	I saw. Live and learn, I guess
2017-07-19 17:27:20	wz1000	Your build was not run - reason code (:ci-skip).
2017-07-19 17:27:43	wz1000	seems like it worked after all :)
2017-07-19 17:28:33	wz1000	github just misreported it as "queued"
2017-07-19 17:31:31	alanz	ok, great
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2017-07-19 18:06:11	wz1000	alanz: I was filling in the midterm evaluation form, not really sure what to write for the "are you on schedule" question. Since we didn't really have much of a schedule to begin with.
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2017-07-19 18:10:22	alanz	I said we were ahead of schedule. 
2017-07-19 18:10:40	alanz	Feels like we are making good progress, but definitely not finished. :)
2017-07-19 18:10:58	wz1000	yeah
2017-07-19 18:15:24	hexagoxel	hi
2017-07-19 18:15:43	alanz	hi
2017-07-19 18:16:41	hexagoxel	i tested this weeks ago, but have not yet asked for feedback: i tried using hie with sublime-text-3, and i did not manage to make it work properly.
2017-07-19 18:17:12	hexagoxel	have any of you tried it?
2017-07-19 18:17:40	hexagoxel	it may very well that the lsp-plugin for sublime is at fault, i am not sure.
2017-07-19 18:19:43	hexagoxel	what i observed roughly is this: the basic connection between sublime and the hie server worked, and i definitely got some haskell-specific type-info popups etc.
2017-07-19 18:20:59	hexagoxel	but other stuff did not seem to work at all (e.g. the auto-formatting via brittany that i meant to test), without even any clear error messages.
2017-07-19 18:21:49	hexagoxel	the sublime console contained some errors, but it is really hard to tell which errors even belonged to the plugin.
2017-07-19 18:26:44	hexagoxel	some related questions:
2017-07-19 18:27:42	hexagoxel	does the hie server log all requests somewhere, just to get an idea what is transferred?
2017-07-19 18:29:37	hexagoxel	does hie require a stack project? the README says cabal is supported, but it seemed to expect stack stuff..
2017-07-19 18:29:51	hexagoxel	what editor on linux can i use to reliably test hie?
2017-07-19 18:30:03	hexagoxel	(the client-side)
2017-07-19 18:31:18	alanz	hexagoxel: I have zero experience with sublime
2017-07-19 18:31:39	alanz	Have you tried any other language servers with it? Python, rust etc?
2017-07-19 18:31:45	alanz	And do they work?
2017-07-19 18:31:55	hexagoxel	no
2017-07-19 18:32:05	alanz	Sublime is a for-pay IDE, iirc?
2017-07-19 18:32:06	hexagoxel	i have not tried other language servers
2017-07-19 18:33:42	hexagoxel	yeah, at least 3 is. i think st2 might be available; but not sure if that is any good for testing this stuff.
2017-07-19 18:33:54	alanz	If you run hie as "hie --lsp -d -l /tmp/hie.log " it will put a log in /tmp/hie.log, as well as the messaging into /tmp/hie-logs/xxxx.log, where xxx is the path to your startup dir
2017-07-19 18:34:31	alanz	so maybe look into those logs, and/or put them on a paste somewhere so we can take a look
2017-07-19 18:34:58	alanz	But I suspect the place to query this is the sublime people
2017-07-19 18:42:12	wz1000	hexagoxel: hie should work with stack, cabal or standalone projects. If it does not, it is a bug.
2017-07-19 18:42:28	wz1000	hexagoxel: vscode is what we are targetting right now, since LSP is most mature there.
2017-07-19 18:42:40	wz1000	so vscode should probably work for you.
2017-07-19 18:43:27	wz1000	hexagoxel: I will try out hie with sublime anyway
2017-07-19 18:54:13	hexagoxel	eh, "Autocomplete, semantic symbol-based search, formatting utilities will soon be supported.", no wonder that part did not work.
2017-07-19 18:56:32	hexagoxel	i'll try with vscode; not sure if there is much use in even testing sublime's plugin.
2017-07-19 18:57:57	wz1000	hexagoxel: which lsp plugin were you using?
2017-07-19 19:01:31	hexagoxel	wz1000: https://github.com/sourcegraph/sublime-lsp
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2017-07-19 19:14:01	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/issues/41
2017-07-19 19:14:19	wz1000	iirc, arrowd used windows, right?
2017-07-19 19:14:48	arrowd	Yep.
2017-07-19 19:16:14	wz1000	arrowd: can you get haskell-lsp to build?
2017-07-19 19:16:25	wz1000	or a recent version of hie?
2017-07-19 19:16:26	arrowd	Most recent one?
2017-07-19 19:16:30	wz1000	yes
2017-07-19 19:16:44	arrowd	Let me try.
2017-07-19 19:21:44	wz1000	alanz: btw, ci passed for the PR
2017-07-19 19:34:38	arrowd	wz1000: Nope, that strange dll problem is back.
2017-07-19 19:35:34	wz1000	arrowd: with text-icu?
2017-07-19 19:37:07	arrowd	Nope, https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/issues/3216
2017-07-19 19:37:32	arrowd	When compiling LSP.TH.ClientCapabilities.
2017-07-19 19:38:53	wz1000	arrowd: and bumping the resolver makes it go away?
2017-07-19 19:39:16	arrowd	Yes, but only for the first compilation.
2017-07-19 19:39:26	arrowd	I'm trying stack setup --reinstall now.
2017-07-19 19:40:11	wz1000	arrowd: you aren't getting the failure in https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/issues/41 ?
2017-07-19 19:40:33	wz1000	even that fails on ClientCapabilities
2017-07-19 19:41:18	arrowd	Ah, right. I've seen that error.
2017-07-19 19:42:06	arrowd	You need to run stack exec -- pacman -Sy mingw64/mingw-w64-x86_64-icu
2017-07-19 19:42:35	wz1000	that user apparently did run that.
2017-07-19 19:43:29	arrowd	Ah, hum.
2017-07-19 19:47:14	arrowd	Ok, now it compiled somehow.
2017-07-19 19:47:23	arrowd	I haven't even touch anything.
2017-07-19 19:47:25	arrowd	No idea.
2017-07-19 19:49:01	wz1000	why can't we have purely functional operating systems?
2017-07-19 19:49:25	wz1000	Until then, I'm waiting for the year of the Nix desktop
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2017-07-19 20:19:11	--	Notice(GitHub102): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #264: Multi project support (master...multi-project) https://git.io/vQjeV
2017-07-19 20:19:12	--	Notice(GitHub151): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 6 new commits to master: https://git.io/vQjll
2017-07-19 20:19:12	--	Notice(GitHub151): haskell-ide-engine/master f6c3602 Zubin Duggal: Initial support - very buggy
2017-07-19 20:19:12	--	Notice(GitHub151): haskell-ide-engine/master 454ff2a Zubin Duggal: automatically set cur dir to cradleRootDir
2017-07-19 20:19:12	--	Notice(GitHub151): haskell-ide-engine/master 74e632e Zubin Duggal: cache dir instead of file
2017-07-19 20:23:29	alanz	wz1000: I would claim the text-icu issue is a ghc/stack problem, rather than something specific to haskell-lsp
2017-07-19 21:12:31	alanz	wz1000: if you register on hackage I will add you to the maintainer group for http://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp
2017-07-19 21:50:58	alanz	And this looks as expected: https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp
2017-07-19 22:37:34	wz1000	alanz: Is that across all platforms?
2017-07-19 22:52:58	alanz	linux only, I think
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2017-07-19 22:55:49	wz1000	alanz: https://hackage.haskell.org/user/wz1000
2017-07-19 22:57:24	alanz	http://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp/maintainers/
2017-07-19 22:57:26	alanz	:)
2017-07-19 22:57:35	wz1000	alanz: the haddocks also have no styling/css
2017-07-19 22:57:52	alanz	where? on hackage, or local?
2017-07-19 22:57:53	wz1000	thanks :)
2017-07-19 22:57:58	wz1000	on hackage
2017-07-19 22:59:57	alanz	wz1000: remember this: http://lpaste.net/3759453331672530944
2017-07-19 23:02:16	alanz	Going to try to upload them myself, just checking cabal builds them ok
2017-07-19 23:09:12	alanz	wz1000: hvr said he would take a look, a bit later. I will leave the hackage ones as they are until he has had a chance to do so
2017-07-19 23:10:28	wz1000	ok
2017-07-19 23:10:39	wz1000	I wanted to do some cleanup in haskell lsp as well.
2017-07-19 23:10:54	wz1000	I can add missing docs during that.
2017-07-19 23:11:47	wz1000	One thing I wanted was to handle the server -> client requests and the lsp ids inside haskell lsp itself.
2017-07-19 23:12:09	wz1000	Then we can get rid of the state in our reactor
2017-07-19 23:12:43	wz1000	also, make the initialization stuff more configurable by clients.
2017-07-19 23:13:29	wz1000	I think there is a missing text document syncing method that we haven't implemented yet in vfs too.
2017-07-19 23:14:48	alanz	ok.
2017-07-19 23:15:17	alanz	I nearly asked you if you wanted to change anything before release. But then had a window to do it, and just did.
2017-07-19 23:15:33	alanz	Anyway, it is out there now, and easy enough to make new releases
2017-07-19 23:16:06	alanz	I am just confirming it builds with current stackage nightly, then I will see about adding it there
2017-07-19 23:16:51	alanz	If you are going to work on haskell-lsp, consider putting in a hackage button/link, as well as a circleci badge.
2017-07-19 23:17:19	wz1000	ok
2017-07-19 23:17:47	alanz	And we should maybe consider bumping our stack nightly across both projects, the last one is 14 June, over a month ago
2017-07-19 23:17:57	alanz	s/last/current/
2017-07-19 23:18:07	wz1000	I thought ghc-mod doesn't compile with some of the recent ones?
2017-07-19 23:18:19	wz1000	but we have a fork anyway, so doesn't really matter
2017-07-19 23:19:15	alanz	Yes, I just went through that same thought loop myself :)
2017-07-19 23:20:54	wz1000	what can we use ghc-dump-tree for?
2017-07-19 23:23:23	wz1000	we can potentially use it for references, right?
2017-07-19 23:26:57	wz1000	why have you forked it?
2017-07-19 23:43:53	alanz	I think the fork was because it needed an update for ghc 8.0.2
2017-07-19 23:44:11	alanz	See if it works on the original. Pretty sure I made a PR on the upstream
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2017-07-19 23:53:36	alanz	mpickering: I am adding haskell-lsp to stackage, and I see you are listed as the responsible maintainer for ghc-exactprint. I am fine with that, but let me know if you would prefer it to change
2017-07-19 23:54:20	mpickering	Please change it
2017-07-19 23:55:17	alanz	ok
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2017-07-20 00:01:05	alanz	https://github.com/fpco/stackage/pull/2652
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2017-07-20 11:22:06	--	Notice(GitHub83): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #265: Remove duplicate registerations - fixes duplicate symbols/completions… (master...master) https://git.io/v7vYb
2017-07-20 11:22:17	wz1000	alanz: ^
2017-07-20 11:49:45	alanz	wz1000: is that the source of the multiple symbols?
2017-07-20 11:49:58	wz1000	alanz: yes
2017-07-20 11:50:03	alanz	crazy
2017-07-20 11:50:08	alanz	nice find
2017-07-20 11:50:50	wz1000	it is still a bug in extension/vscode-lsp 
2017-07-20 11:51:14	wz1000	Registering for the command twice shouldn't make it send requests twice
2017-07-20 11:51:34	alanz	I agree
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2017-07-20 12:06:21	wz1000	alanz: lsp server -> client ids and client -> server ids have no relation?
2017-07-20 12:07:16	alanz	in terms of requests starting from each, no, each runs its own counter
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2017-07-20 12:11:37	wz1000	alanz: so, we can let the server -> client request ids remain in the Reactor State, or we can add a field nextReqId :: IO LspId to LanguageContextData that maintains internal state.
2017-07-20 12:12:30	alanz	Well, it belongs in haskell-lsp, I guess.
2017-07-20 12:12:53	alanz	Given that it is part of the protocol
2017-07-20 12:13:24	alanz	And that way it is one less thing a server implementor needs to worry about
2017-07-20 12:13:37	wz1000	ok, so nextReqId :: IO LspId in LanguageContextData? Or can you think of a better way?
2017-07-20 12:13:57	alanz	that sounds good.
2017-07-20 12:14:30	alanz	I was thinking of putting it into the send somehow, but a) the send is in IO only, and b) we then need a placeholder value in the message before it is sent
2017-07-20 12:16:25	alanz	Nice to see non-duplicate symbols
2017-07-20 12:18:12	wz1000	I was also thinking of having a special function sendRequest :: (LspId -> RequestMessage) -> IO ()
2017-07-20 12:18:27	wz1000	but then realised that we may need the LspId in the reactor
2017-07-20 12:18:43	alanz	yes, to stash requests etc
2017-07-20 12:18:48	wz1000	to keep track of which client response corresponds to which request
2017-07-20 12:20:21	wz1000	So IO LspId seems best
2017-07-20 12:20:47	wz1000	it won't go in LanguageContextData, sorry.
2017-07-20 12:20:48	alanz	yes
2017-07-20 12:20:54	wz1000	It will go in LspFuncs
2017-07-20 12:21:07	alanz	yes, that is how I read/understood it
2017-07-20 12:21:58	wz1000	LanguageContextData is internal to haskell-lsp, right?
2017-07-20 12:22:40	alanz	as I recall. I need to open  the source again to check
2017-07-20 12:23:40	alanz	yes, internal only
2017-07-20 12:51:06	--	Notice(GitHub8): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/v7vZy
2017-07-20 12:51:06	--	Notice(GitHub8): haskell-ide-engine/master c5a6834 Zubin Duggal: Remove duplicate registerations - fixes duplicate symbols/completions issue in vscode
2017-07-20 12:51:06	--	Notice(GitHub8): haskell-ide-engine/master 8cb23e7 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #265 from wz1000/master...
2017-07-20 12:51:07	--	Notice(GitHub99): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #265: Remove duplicate registrations - fixes duplicate symbols/completions… (master...master) https://git.io/v7vYb
2017-07-20 12:51:08	alanz	wz1000: I am going to be afk for some hours now
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2017-07-20 16:09:03	wz1000	Lierdakil: you could have run hoogle generate too to make the db from hackage
2017-07-20 16:10:37	Lierdakil	well, too late for that now, almost done now
2017-07-20 16:19:22	Lierdakil	wz1000: yep, seems to work more or less as expected now
2017-07-20 16:20:54	wz1000	Lierdakil: I figured out what broke it on my machine
2017-07-20 16:21:24	wz1000	I made a recent commit that changed the syncing registration to match the latest spec
2017-07-20 16:21:24	Lierdakil	wz1000: ?
2017-07-20 16:21:55	wz1000	But I guess the atom client hasn't been updated to matcch that yet.
2017-07-20 16:22:17	Lierdakil	that's possible
2017-07-20 16:22:34	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-lsp/commit/69034278c0af7721df87a114078aad1ba7014d36
2017-07-20 16:23:17	wz1000	I reverted that commit and it works fine
2017-07-20 16:24:52	Lierdakil	cool
2017-07-20 16:25:55	wz1000	also, it seems like atom doesn't support document highlight
2017-07-20 16:27:16	wz1000	or code actions
2017-07-20 16:27:20	Lierdakil	2017-07-20 13:56:47 [ThreadId 14] - reactor:got DocumentHighlightsRequest:RequestMessage {_jsonrpc = "2.0", _id = IdInt 206, _method = TextDocumentDocumentHighlight, _params = TextDocumentPositionParams {_textDocument = TextDocumentIdentifier {_uri = Uri {getUri = "file:///home/livid/github/lierdakil/pandoc-crossref/lib/Text/Pandoc/CrossRef/References/Blocks.hs"}}, _position = Position {_line = 42, _character = 16}}}
2017-07-20 16:27:24	Lierdakil	this?
2017-07-20 16:27:36	wz1000	yes, how did you get it trigger?
2017-07-20 16:27:48	Lierdakil	I have no idea ^^
2017-07-20 16:29:03	wz1000	does it highlight symbol usages when you select something?
2017-07-20 16:29:25	wz1000	https://camo.githubusercontent.com/9579d2d31032396d24c148972aa07ab9b0007767/687474703a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f594c6a487332732e676966
2017-07-20 16:29:27	Lierdakil	ah
2017-07-20 16:29:31	wz1000	Lierdakil: like this ^^
2017-07-20 16:29:31	Lierdakil	hold ctrl
2017-07-20 16:29:41	Lierdakil	then hover over symbol
2017-07-20 16:30:05	Lierdakil	it's weird, but that's how atom-ide-ui handles it
2017-07-20 16:32:27	Lierdakil	code actions are technically supported (i.e. there's code to support it), but nothing uses that at the moment I believe
2017-07-20 16:32:39	wz1000	in the client?
2017-07-20 16:33:06	Lierdakil	well, there's support code in the atom-languageclient
2017-07-20 16:33:54	Lierdakil	it's possible to trigger that manually, but it's not connected to anything in Atom's ui (yet)
2017-07-20 16:34:08	wz1000	ok
2017-07-20 16:36:37	wz1000	hmm, the hovers don't seem to word wrap
2017-07-20 16:46:27	Lierdakil	wz1000: well, that's atom-ide-ui's problem. I gather ReqFindReferences isn't supported in hie (yet)?
2017-07-20 16:49:42	wz1000	Lierdakil: no, we aren't really sure how to manage that yet.
2017-07-20 16:49:54	wz1000	Probably build a cscope like db.
2017-07-20 16:50:36	wz1000	because going through every loading and traversing the ast for every file in the project would be expensive.
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2017-07-20 16:51:02	wz1000	Lierdakil: See https://github.com/atom/atom-languageclient/pull/54
2017-07-20 16:51:14	wz1000	and https://github.com/atom/atom-languageclient/issues/68
2017-07-20 16:51:49	wz1000	I'm keeping my commit, since it seems like it should be fixed soon.
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2017-07-20 16:53:40	Lierdakil	sure
2017-07-20 16:58:43	wz1000	the atom document highlight also doesn't seem to differentiate between definitions and usages like the vscode one.
2017-07-20 17:09:45	Lierdakil	It's fine. My aim here is to get a baseline to work from. The plan is to eventually support hie in https://atom.io/packages/ide-haskell
2017-07-20 17:10:45	wz1000	ah cool.
2017-07-20 17:10:51	Lierdakil	wz1000: textDocument/documentSymbol doesn't seem to list instance declarations, btw
2017-07-20 17:12:16	Lierdakil	not sure if it's by design or not
2017-07-20 17:12:29	wz1000	what do you mean?
2017-07-20 17:13:18	wz1000	Oh, documentSymbol. No, it doesn't. I can add it though
2017-07-20 17:13:44	wz1000	but not sure if it would make sense.
2017-07-20 17:14:00	wz1000	I was thinking of using it to list all top level declarations.
2017-07-20 17:14:27	wz1000	But an instance doesn't introduce any new symbols into scope.
2017-07-20 17:14:58	wz1000	So if you have a class, and a dozen instances before it, the same symbols would show up multiple times.
2017-07-20 17:15:25	wz1000	Lierdakil: ^
2017-07-20 17:15:38	wz1000	s/before/below
2017-07-20 17:15:58	Lierdakil	Could possibly show class declaration as a container for instance declarations?
2017-07-20 17:16:31	Lierdakil	My point is, you would naively expect instances to show up in outline.
2017-07-20 17:17:08	Lierdakil	Details probably need some ironing out though
2017-07-20 17:17:40	Lierdakil	since instances are open this can be tricky =\
2017-07-20 17:17:51	Lierdakil	well, classes are open I mean
2017-07-20 17:18:05	Lierdakil	wz1000: ^
2017-07-20 17:18:43	wz1000	so what are you proposing should be the name and container name for an instance?
2017-07-20 17:19:50	wz1000	instance Show a => Show (Maybe a) where show = ...
2017-07-20 17:20:08	Lierdakil	Well, my first thought is this: for `instance Class Type` set name: Type, containerName: Class
2017-07-20 17:20:16	Lierdakil	but this is obviously half-baked
2017-07-20 17:22:03	wz1000	what about name:"show", containerName : "instance Show a => Show (Maybe a)"
2017-07-20 17:22:49	wz1000	Lierdakil: ^
2017-07-20 17:22:54	Lierdakil	that's generally less interesting IMO. I mean, only implementation is defined in instance
2017-07-20 17:23:09	Lierdakil	symbol itself is declared elsewhere
2017-07-20 17:24:16	wz1000	so name:"instance Show a => Show (Maybe a)", containerName:null?
2017-07-20 17:24:59	Lierdakil	name: Show a => Maybe a, containerName: Show?
2017-07-20 17:25:39	Lierdakil	I'm a bit hazy on how everything would work if there's no definition for Show in given document though
2017-07-20 17:26:30	wz1000	I don't think that matters.
2017-07-20 17:26:40	Lierdakil	or if instances aren't consequent for that matter
2017-07-20 17:26:45	Lierdakil	e.g.
2017-07-20 17:26:52	Lierdakil	instance Show (Int) ...
2017-07-20 17:26:54	Lierdakil	some code
2017-07-20 17:27:01	Lierdakil	instance Show [Char]
2017-07-20 17:27:16	Lierdakil	*some other code
2017-07-20 17:27:29	wz1000	ah, is atom using this for an outline?
2017-07-20 17:27:44	wz1000	because vscode just lists the symbols.
2017-07-20 17:27:54	Lierdakil	yep, that it does
2017-07-20 17:28:28	Lierdakil	outline-view:toggle (Alt+O by default)
2017-07-20 17:28:32	wz1000	can you send me a screenshot? I don't want to wait for a rebuild of hie.
2017-07-20 17:28:37	Lierdakil	sure
2017-07-20 17:29:18	Lierdakil	https://snag.gy/sYPRjJ.jpg
2017-07-20 17:30:38	wz1000	ah, neat
2017-07-20 17:31:44	wz1000	Now I'm not sure if the containerName I'm setting for "as" imports is correct
2017-07-20 17:32:18	wz1000	It should be the other way round, no?
2017-07-20 17:32:44	wz1000	import A as B should be name: A, containerName:B
2017-07-20 17:32:54	wz1000	Lierdakil: ^
2017-07-20 17:32:59	Lierdakil	Uh. Probably not?
2017-07-20 17:33:29	wz1000	why? If you have import A as C, import B as C, then it makes more sense that way
2017-07-20 17:33:31	Lierdakil	Although I'm not really sure containerName is even applicable to aliases =\
2017-07-20 17:34:07	Lierdakil	Hmm. You're right about that, it would make more sense
2017-07-20 17:35:08	wz1000	in vscode it just shows the container name next to the name
2017-07-20 17:35:10	wz1000	https://camo.githubusercontent.com/c4a5943c4fd6effbecb731bc72446f6c37240ac3/687474703a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f474572635971702e676966
2017-07-20 17:38:35	wz1000	Lierdakil: does atom collate everything with the same container name even if they aren't defined consequitively?
2017-07-20 17:39:03	Lierdakil	no idea.
2017-07-20 17:39:13	Lierdakil	but should be easy to check
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2017-07-20 17:47:19	wz1000	Lierdakil: so what is hie missing compared to ide-haskell?
2017-07-20 17:49:24	wz1000	Lierdakil: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/f8fbc05e856cca6595de731df7d2c0e6b6f21a42
2017-07-20 17:49:32	Lierdakil	Here's the code for building outline tree: https://github.com/atom/atom-languageclient/blob/master/lib/adapters/outline-view-adapter.js#L55 -- from a quick glance, it seems to collate everything
2017-07-20 17:56:12	Lierdakil	As for missing features, most of what ide-haskell offers, except repl interface and build/test/bench commands is based on ghc-mod, so pretty much what you'd expect.
2017-07-20 17:57:13	Lierdakil	some ghc-mod specific stuff that hie doesn't implement at the moment are case split, generate code stub from signature
2017-07-20 17:57:39	Lierdakil	also inserting import and type of selected expression/symbol
2017-07-20 17:58:39	alanz	Lierdakil: those last two should be exposed as quick fixes, once we get to them
2017-07-20 17:58:55	alanz	Similar to the functionality in intero
2017-07-20 17:59:38	wz1000	does the atom client support rename? I couldn't find it when I tried it.
2017-07-20 18:00:35	Lierdakil	again, there's a stub which can be called manually, but not connected to anything in UI
2017-07-20 18:08:26	alanz	I think the atom lsp support is very alpha. Like a lot of things in the ecosystem
2017-07-20 18:08:48	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/42
2017-07-20 18:08:50	wz1000	don't merge yet
2017-07-20 18:08:56	alanz	ok
2017-07-20 18:09:03	Lierdakil	well, it works for the most part
2017-07-20 18:11:53	alanz	In general I have found that things work, but not all features are present in all clients / servers
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2017-07-20 19:26:52	Lierdakil	well, I made rename work in Atom if anyone's interested: https://github.com/atom-haskell/hie-lsp-adapter/commit/3d1714969e1741ba4cff4254488bb93cc6bde4df
2017-07-20 19:30:29	alanz	nice
2017-07-20 19:31:51	alanz	btw, there are a lot more HaRe commands available too, that can be called via ExecuteCommand in similar fashion. See https://github.com/alanz/lsp-haskell/blob/master/lsp-haskell.el
2017-07-20 19:34:01	wz1000	Lierdakil: nice work. I fixed the hoogle issue too, btw. https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/f8fbc05e856cca6595de731df7d2c0e6b6f21a42
2017-07-20 19:36:37	Lierdakil	alanz: I'll cross that bridge when I get there. For now, I'm happy I have at least something working and have a solid idea on how to interact with hie.
2017-07-20 19:36:49	Lierdakil	wz1000: great!
2017-07-20 20:02:05	alanz	nice
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2017-07-20 23:58:47	alanz	wz1000: seems I have been accepted to talk on HIE at HIW
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2017-07-21 10:51:17	wz1000	alanz: great! what are you going to do?
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2017-07-21 10:58:58	wz1000	I was looking at the source for ghc-mods case split, and they use -fdefer-type-errors before loading the typechecked module
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2017-07-21 11:01:01	wz1000	I want to experiment with the loading to see what information I can get out of the entire process, so I will make a branch with that stuff copied over into HIE from HaRe
2017-07-21 11:02:56	wz1000	alanz: I will also add the hackage badge to haskell-lsp. Is there anything else I'm forgetting before we can merge that?
2017-07-21 11:03:50	wz1000	circle ci badge too, I guess?
2017-07-21 11:36:08	alanz	wz1000: the case split stuff is based on a particular package, I forget which
2017-07-21 11:36:28	alanz	And there is also another candidate, also by hexagoxel, called exference. FYI
2017-07-21 11:41:31	wz1000	alanz: For references, what if we create a global name map during the load process?
2017-07-21 11:42:14	alanz	that is what I was thinking. Let the hook process everything, but only keep the AST for the ones loaded
2017-07-21 11:43:03	alanz	And I am convinced that somewhere along the line we are going to end up with some sort of persistent db of analysis results. Like the namemap etc
2017-07-21 11:53:43	wz1000	sure, but automatically updating/invalidating is going to be difficult.
2017-07-21 11:58:32	alanz	I know, so it will be a big step, but I am pretty sure it will have to come some time. Not in the current scope of activity thought
2017-07-21 11:58:34	alanz	though
2017-07-21 11:59:24	wz1000	did you take a look at the haskell-lsp pr?
2017-07-21 12:22:10	alanz	Not this morning yet, hold on.
2017-07-21 12:23:33	alanz	When you published it you said not to merge?
2017-07-21 12:26:30	wz1000	yeah
2017-07-21 12:26:57	alanz	has that changed yet? still to bring in the badges etc?
2017-07-21 12:27:09	wz1000	There was one case unimplemented in the vfs, I'm working on that now. I will also add the badges
2017-07-21 12:27:23	wz1000	no, it hasn't changed since last night.
2017-07-21 12:28:50	alanz	ok, no problem. Looks fine. I think putting everything into STM is a good thing
2017-07-21 12:36:11	wz1000	the TVar api also matches are use case better - MVars can be empty and reading/writing can block
2017-07-21 12:36:16	wz1000	or deadlock
2017-07-21 12:36:42	alanz	yes
2017-07-21 12:37:50	wz1000	did you see how the reactor changed?
2017-07-21 12:39:28	wz1000	in HIE too - https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/9254f005589e4bfcf944b3b6e7c16f813a8c1c8a
2017-07-21 12:40:09	wz1000	now we can request an id in the callback itself.
2017-07-21 12:40:40	wz1000	Rather than having to reserve one outside of the callback
2017-07-21 12:41:17	wz1000	the reactor input list also became a bit more manageable
2017-07-21 12:46:44	alanz	yes, I saw that change. Have not looked at the matching hie change yet, will do so shortly. Admin :(
2017-07-21 12:56:45	alanz	looks good
2017-07-21 12:57:34	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-lsp/commit/dcb723ef4401cc5786cf6258d9d6f8073bbbd348
2017-07-21 13:06:18	alanz	Looks good.
2017-07-21 13:06:46	alanz	Nice to see the real-world knowledge getting baked into haskell-lsp
2017-07-21 13:08:42	wz1000	afaik, we haven't encountered anything that doesn't send the length in the changes.
2017-07-21 13:09:41	alanz	yes, but good to have it anyway.
2017-07-21 13:10:30	wz1000	but if something doesn't support incremental changes, the position map stuff in hie will break
2017-07-21 13:10:37	alanz	BTW, I just started up vscode for ghc-mod, and it struck me that we should consider using window/ShowMessage to list the project root, when initialising
2017-07-21 13:11:04	wz1000	we don't really have much of a concept of a "project root" now.
2017-07-21 13:11:20	wz1000	The only thing that is used for is getting project specific hoogle dbs
2017-07-21 13:11:56	wz1000	because we cd to the cradleRootDir for each file
2017-07-21 13:12:07	alanz	true. And we get it from the client anyway.
2017-07-21 13:12:09	alanz	ok
2017-07-21 13:12:22	wz1000	so you can use the same hie session for files across projects
2017-07-21 13:13:37	wz1000	So if (in your ghc-mod session) you open up a file from HaRe or any other project, there should be no problem at all.
2017-07-21 13:14:12	alanz	except I just hit the "no module loaded" for ghc-mod Target
2017-07-21 13:14:32	wz1000	yeah - that is the old problem with ghc-mod
2017-07-21 13:14:41	wz1000	I will put in the mapped files solution
2017-07-21 13:14:43	alanz	Ok. 
2017-07-21 13:14:50	alanz	I think that will be the best.
2017-07-21 13:15:15	alanz	And it has the advantage of standardising how we manage file loading, error translation, etc
2017-07-21 13:17:03	wz1000	right now, you can force recompilation by making a trivial edit as a workaround
2017-07-21 13:18:31	wz1000	I also need to look at the hoogle db recognition again
2017-07-21 13:18:40	alanz	ok
2017-07-21 13:18:47	wz1000	because of the cwd changes
2017-07-21 13:19:55	alanz	Are we going to assume one only? Because then you can find it as part of the init process and cache it
2017-07-21 13:20:15	alanz	Multi-component projects are a pain
2017-07-21 13:21:48	wz1000	yeah, I'm think of only looking for project specific dbs in the startup dir.
2017-07-21 13:22:00	wz1000	*thinking
2017-07-21 13:22:47	wz1000	And reporting the hoogle status through showMessage
2017-07-21 13:23:00	wz1000	so we can warn the user if there is no hoogle db
2017-07-21 13:23:18	wz1000	And check the README for instructions on how to generate one.
2017-07-21 13:24:59	alanz	ok, sounds good
2017-07-21 13:25:20	alanz	And sometime I can see us offering a command to actually generate it too.
2017-07-21 13:25:24	alanz	But one thing at a time
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2017-07-21 13:41:54	wz1000	alanz: Ok, I added the badges. Do the docs etc. need any changes in haskell-lsp?
2017-07-21 13:42:18	wz1000	because the hackage docs still have no css
2017-07-21 13:43:35	alanz	Merge my master changes, I did update the docs to reflect the main hie repo and master branch
2017-07-21 13:44:07	alanz	the hackage docs are a victim of haddock interacting with th/lenses, I gather
2017-07-21 13:45:23	alanz	So effectively the generation process bombed out half way through (as in stack haddock) and the partial stuff was uploaded
2017-07-21 13:45:52	alanz	And it looks like the only way to get haddocks is to not have them hyperlinkable
2017-07-21 13:46:08	alanz	And then do a manual upload of the docs
2017-07-21 13:46:27	alanz	Which we can do with the coming update release
2017-07-21 13:54:23	wz1000	alanz: ok, pushed my changes. for my part, the PR is ready for merging. tell me if you need anything else
2017-07-21 13:56:43	alanz	ok, will take a look
2017-07-21 13:59:12	alanz	Clicking on the badge for the build status gives a 404
2017-07-21 13:59:33	alanz	It should probably go to https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-lsp
2017-07-21 14:00:38	alanz	Or is that a fault on circelci? The markup looks like it should
2017-07-21 14:00:47	wz1000	alanz: fixed
2017-07-21 14:00:51	alanz	thanks
2017-07-21 14:02:14	alanz	Can you change "git clone https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine" to "git clone https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine"?
2017-07-21 14:02:27	alanz	May as well refer to the official repo
2017-07-21 14:02:49	wz1000	done
2017-07-21 14:03:13	alanz	ok, I will merge it
2017-07-21 14:05:36	alanz	Some day we will be able to include a list of servers built on it. Not just hie :)
2017-07-21 14:07:04	wz1000	yeah, it would be useful for languages that have their compilers written in haskell.
2017-07-21 14:08:05	alanz	I think the PureScript guys might be looking at it
2017-07-21 14:10:11	alanz	We will eventually be able to look into the hackage dependency graph to see where it is being used (publicly)
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2017-07-21 15:52:44	wz1000	alanz: I did the mapped files thing, but now if you have say 10 files open, ghc-mod will try to load all of them, instead of only the ones that have changes.
2017-07-21 15:58:27	alanz	I know. That is another thing that needs to change.
2017-07-21 15:58:54	alanz	Does ghc-mod store the mappings per cradle? per target?
2017-07-21 16:00:12	alanz	Because limiting it to files in the current module tree make sense, rather than currently adding them all to the given targets. Which is a huge hack
2017-07-21 16:01:02	wz1000	I patched it to only load the stuff in the current component, remember?
2017-07-21 16:01:29	alanz	I don't remember tbh, so much has been happening :)
2017-07-21 16:02:17	alanz	So we are back to trying to make sure the recompile checker actually works?
2017-07-21 16:02:39	alanz	And the writeups on the GHC wiki seem to indicate that it is a tricky thing
2017-07-21 16:02:50	wz1000	yeah, I think so. 
2017-07-21 16:03:10	alanz	I wonder if just deleting the .hi and/or .o files would do it
2017-07-21 16:03:32	wz1000	the "always map file" thing introduces a bug with find def too, that I've been trying to solve for the last hour and a half
2017-07-21 16:03:53	alanz	ok.
2017-07-21 16:04:13	alanz	Another thing, is that we actually only want to load changes since the last compile.
2017-07-21 16:04:55	alanz	So if you actually have ten edited files open, but are working on one atm, it should only load that one for diagnostics. Not the other ones that are mapped but unchanged since the last load
2017-07-21 16:05:38	alanz	Which hints at having some sort of intelligence in the mapping process, pushing the file version number through or something
2017-07-21 16:06:17	wz1000	Currently we unmap files on save, which makes it work pretty well.
2017-07-21 16:06:52	wz1000	the whole file mapping thing is a hack tbh. Until we get ghc to support it natively, I think we should keep our usage of it to a minimum
2017-07-21 16:07:06	alanz	I am talking about a scenario where you have a project open, edit a file, switch to another one and work on that. Without saving the first one
2017-07-21 16:07:34	alanz	Well, edited but unsaved files exist.
2017-07-21 16:07:45	alanz	So we need to manage that somehow, regardless.
2017-07-21 16:08:24	wz1000	it works pretty well when we have one mapped file - which is a pretty common scenario
2017-07-21 16:08:28	alanz	And if there is GHC support ever, it will be us putting it in. So the monkey is on our back 
2017-07-21 16:08:55	alanz	yes. But an IDE has users, who do weird stuff.
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2017-07-21 16:11:29	Lierdakil	FWIW, https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/latest/docs/html/libraries/ghc-8.0.1/GHC.html#t:Target
2017-07-21 16:11:39	Lierdakil	Target has targetContents
2017-07-21 16:11:45	Lierdakil	which can be supplied
2017-07-21 16:12:09	Lierdakil	and will be used instead of reading from fs
2017-07-21 16:12:19	alanz	nice
2017-07-21 16:12:33	Lierdakil	but IIRC this doesn't play well with preprocessors
2017-07-21 16:12:35	alanz	what about things like CPP? 
2017-07-21 16:12:47	Lierdakil	Yes, also TH
2017-07-21 16:13:01	alanz	and hspec-discover, ....
2017-07-21 16:13:04	wz1000	I think we break on CPP as it is.
2017-07-21 16:13:11	alanz	why?
2017-07-21 16:13:22	wz1000	not on CPP, sorry.
2017-07-21 16:13:31	wz1000	On foriegn imports
2017-07-21 16:13:42	wz1000	I noticed just today.
2017-07-21 16:14:03	wz1000	It won't load a file with foriegn imports
2017-07-21 16:14:08	alanz	ok. I know ghc-mod does some fancy footwork to manage that.
2017-07-21 16:14:29	alanz	Switching to interpreted mode, or via obj, or something
2017-07-21 16:15:36	Lierdakil	that "fancy footwork" is part of the reason why map-file uses tempfiles =\
2017-07-21 16:15:54	wz1000	vomit does say - info: loadTargets:
2017-07-21 16:15:55	wz1000	      Target needs interpeter, switching to LinkInMemory/HscInterpreted. 
2017-07-21 16:16:09	wz1000	but the typechecked module still doesn't load
2017-07-21 16:16:48	alanz	ok. This is outside my knowledge zone
2017-07-21 16:18:18	wz1000	honestly - I wouldn't mind having the constraint that your unsaved changes wont reflect in other modules
2017-07-21 16:18:37	wz1000	I think this is how eclipse works
2017-07-21 16:21:42	wz1000	Lierdakil: so why does hie fail to load stuff with foreign imports?
2017-07-21 16:26:08	wz1000	alanz: so I got the problem with foriegn imports
2017-07-21 16:26:31	alanz	and?
2017-07-21 16:26:53	wz1000	if the file is mapped, it tries to look for the import in the tmp dir
2017-07-21 16:27:06	wz1000	(when the import is in the same dir as the file)
2017-07-21 16:27:10	wz1000	and it fails
2017-07-21 16:27:16	alanz	ok.
2017-07-21 16:27:42	alanz	I think that is why flymake on emacs either does or used to put the mapped file in the same dir
2017-07-21 16:28:02	alanz	Just turning say B.hs into B_flymake.hs
2017-07-21 16:28:18	alanz	which might be a mapping option to consider
2017-07-21 16:29:11	alanz	flycheck, sorry
2017-07-21 16:29:32	wz1000	alanz: so what is your thought about my proposal?
2017-07-21 16:29:49	wz1000	That changes in a file don't reflect in others until they are saved?
2017-07-21 16:29:49	alanz	map one file at a time only?
2017-07-21 16:30:04	alanz	Well, it is a workararound for now
2017-07-21 16:30:09	alanz	Which makes sense
2017-07-21 16:30:21	wz1000	no, we can map multiple files, but don't load them when loading other stuff
2017-07-21 16:30:24	alanz	So lets do that, but maybe make an issue to revisit it some time
2017-07-21 16:30:28	alanz	ok
2017-07-21 16:31:56	wz1000	alanz: then we can also always map the current file - which would fix the recompilation issue
2017-07-21 16:32:08	alanz	yes
2017-07-21 16:32:18	alanz	Ok, do it, it seems reasonable
2017-07-21 16:32:56	wz1000	so should I patch the ghc-mod mapping to do what what we want, or make a mapping layer in hie itself?
2017-07-21 16:33:44	alanz	well, we need to consider that when this is done we have hie and ghc-mod-core, and one mapping implementation.
2017-07-21 16:34:12	alanz	because if there is one in each it is going to cause chaos
2017-07-21 16:35:08	alanz	But I have a feeling that there will end up being something else between ghc-mod core and hie, that manages caching/mapping
2017-07-21 16:39:37	alanz	See https://imgur.com/gallery/K5Wu2
2017-07-21 16:46:22	wz1000	alanz: can hie-plugin-api act as the artifact cache?
2017-07-21 16:46:35	alanz	it can.
2017-07-21 16:46:39	wz1000	because that is essentially what it is doing right now
2017-07-21 16:47:14	alanz	That diagram is more how I see the layers, without mapping them to existing packages
2017-07-21 16:47:18	wz1000	I am also considering moving the hare hook/loading stuff in there
2017-07-21 16:47:25	alanz	yes, I agree.
2017-07-21 16:47:53	wz1000	So that we can collect more build info
2017-07-21 16:48:01	alanz	And the idea is that you can write a tool to rely on the lower stuff, but do not need to worry about the higher stuff
2017-07-21 16:48:52	wz1000	then maybe we can split hie-plugin-api out and use it in HaRe too.
2017-07-21 16:48:57	wz1000	to replace ghc-mod
2017-07-21 16:49:00	alanz	according to that diagram, the hook stuff moves from the bottom of a single tool into the top of the next layer down
2017-07-21 16:49:12	alanz	yes, sounds good.
2017-07-21 16:49:32	alanz	And then it needs to be a separately published package.
2017-07-21 16:49:44	alanz	And we need to consider if that is the right name for it.
2017-07-21 16:50:04	Lierdakil	wz1000: no idea, need to investigate, not much time for that =\ Last time I touched that parts of ghc-mod code a few years back, so details are hazy at best
2017-07-21 16:50:07	alanz	As conceptually it does not /require/ the use of HIE
2017-07-21 16:50:27	alanz	just enables it
2017-07-21 16:51:07	wz1000	I think dxld would also be happy to get the mapped files stuff out of ghc-mod
2017-07-21 16:52:03	wz1000	alanz: we also need to consider getting rid of the old plugin api stuff
2017-07-21 16:52:07	alanz	agree
2017-07-21 16:52:17	wz1000	Or at least splitting it out of hie-plugin-api
2017-07-21 16:52:33	alanz	yes, as we get a better idea of what we actually need we can start discarding stuff
2017-07-21 16:52:33	wz1000	Since only execute command is using that atm
2017-07-21 16:52:44	alanz	and moving it around
2017-07-21 16:53:19	alanz	I think initially HIE was sort of unfocused, in the sense that it did not have any driving intergration/use-case
2017-07-21 16:54:07	alanz	but now we can focus on LSP, and make it work for that. So the decisions about stuff can be driven by a concrete implementation
2017-07-21 16:54:35	alanz	And so long as we keep arrowd happy, we can pretty much rearrange at will
2017-07-21 16:55:46	alanz	arrowsvc, that is.
2017-07-21 17:01:37	wz1000	arrowsvc_ 
2017-07-21 17:02:27	alanz	too many handles for one person :)
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2017-07-21 19:46:22	arrowsvc_	Don't your IRC client autocomplete names?
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2017-07-21 20:08:17	alanz	arrowsvc: it does, but seems to skip the tailing '_'. Using smuxi. crazy.
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2017-07-22 14:31:33	alanz	https://www.stackage.org/nightly-2017-07-21/package/haskell-lsp-0.1.0.0
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2017-07-22 16:44:30	--	Notice(GitHub24): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #266: Some fixes/improvements (master...master) https://git.io/v7kEJ
2017-07-22 16:45:14	wz1000	alanz: ^
2017-07-22 16:45:27	alanz	ok, will take a look
2017-07-22 16:45:37	wz1000	I added the hoogle db status messaging too.
2017-07-22 16:45:59	wz1000	Look at intialized notification
2017-07-22 16:46:20	alanz	ok
2017-07-22 16:52:28	alanz	looks good. Will merge when CI is happy
2017-07-22 16:54:01	alanz	Nice to see the db notification. Uses local when it exists, or global otherwise. As expected
2017-07-22 16:54:15	 *	alanz running your branch locally
2017-07-22 16:58:20	alanz	wz1000: I just opened a project (HaRe) which was not configured, and got module not loaded, as expected.
2017-07-22 16:58:37	alanz	Then I installed missing deps and configured it in a shell
2017-07-22 16:58:50	alanz	But hie does not notice this
2017-07-22 16:59:13	alanz	I suspect ghc-mod does, but because there is no modification to the file in hie, it does not reload
2017-07-22 16:59:27	alanz	I am not sure if this is actually something hie should deal with.
2017-07-22 16:59:52	alanz	But exposing some sort of refresh command might be useful. 
2017-07-22 17:02:47	alanz	And for some reason it does not want to load anything for HaRe.
2017-07-22 17:03:49	alanz	wz1000: your current master does not always load files
2017-07-22 17:25:28	wz1000	alanz: but the previous on does?
2017-07-22 17:26:12	wz1000	which project?
2017-07-22 17:33:12	wz1000	alanz: works for me.
2017-07-22 17:33:24	wz1000	I'm using stack to build HaRe btw
2017-07-22 17:37:43	wz1000	MainHaRe doesn't work, like MainHIE
2017-07-22 17:37:51	wz1000	because of the pedantic flag
2017-07-22 17:40:20	alanz	Ok, haskell/hie master loads the module. Your branch does not. haskell-lsp VFS
2017-07-22 17:40:59	alanz	just rebuilding your PR version to confirm
2017-07-22 17:41:05	wz1000	alanz: which module?
2017-07-22 17:41:13	alanz	VFS.hs
2017-07-22 17:41:59	wz1000	works for me
2017-07-22 17:42:27	alanz	just trying again. stack clean && stack build
2017-07-22 17:47:12	wz1000	ok, it doesn't work sometimes. I think its the recompilation stuff, since we dont' get the typechecked module from the hook
2017-07-22 17:47:40	wz1000	alanz: I'm going to patch ghc-mod to only load the current target.
2017-07-22 17:47:53	wz1000	not all the mapped files
2017-07-22 17:48:18	alanz	ok, agree
2017-07-22 17:49:15	alanz	Your new branch definitely loads nothing for my in my projects
2017-07-22 17:49:47	alanz	Just tried haskell-lsp VFS.hs again. It just lists the cabal dir it is going to use twice, does nothing else
2017-07-22 17:49:52	wz1000	what if you foce recompilation?
2017-07-22 17:49:58	wz1000	check hie.log
2017-07-22 17:50:07	wz1000	does it say "Didn't get typechecked module"
2017-07-22 17:50:17	wz1000	*force
2017-07-22 17:51:05	alanz	This is all I get: http://lpaste.net/7422568747304484864
2017-07-22 17:51:17	alanz	I suspect it is related to the existance of the dist dir
2017-07-22 17:51:36	alanz	But haskell-ide-engine/master works as expected
2017-07-22 17:53:26	alanz	doesn't make sense, based on the commits I see
2017-07-22 17:54:29	wz1000	yes, I changed nothing that should affect that stuff.
2017-07-22 17:57:04	alanz	but I compiled and installed it twice, and it does not work for me. But master does. Weird. Will have to investigate further, it is probably some earlier change (the multi-project stuff) that is affecting me now
2017-07-22 17:58:02	alanz	except master works. 
2017-07-22 17:58:08	alanz	crazy
2017-07-22 17:59:00	wz1000	alanz: does it work if you force recompilation?
2017-07-22 17:59:46	alanz	by editing the file? hold on. Just moved the dist dir out of the way, makes no difference
2017-07-22 18:00:08	alanz	nope. No difference.
2017-07-22 18:00:21	alanz	let me investigate the logs
2017-07-22 18:00:29	wz1000	alanz: forcing recompilation also doesn't work?
2017-07-22 18:00:42	alanz	what do you mean by that?
2017-07-22 18:00:46	wz1000	by editiing
2017-07-22 18:01:05	alanz	I just did that, and it does not do anything.
2017-07-22 18:01:28	wz1000	do you get "Didn't get typechecked module" in /tmp/hie.log
2017-07-22 18:03:13	alanz	ok, I see the problem. Your branch does not send through the IncrementalSync option.
2017-07-22 18:03:17	wz1000	setTypecheckedModule: Didn't get typechecked module for: ...
2017-07-22 18:03:24	alanz	So there is no notification of any changes to the file
2017-07-22 18:03:36	wz1000	alanz: it does.
2017-07-22 18:03:53	wz1000	alanz: are you using vscode?
2017-07-22 18:03:55	wz1000	Or emacs?
2017-07-22 18:04:04	alanz	vscode
2017-07-22 18:04:06	alanz	hold on
2017-07-22 18:04:17	wz1000	it works for me
2017-07-22 18:04:22	alanz	this is your master: http://lpaste.net/7629252460602720256
2017-07-22 18:05:30	alanz	This is the first part of haskell-ide-engine/master: http://lpaste.net/7818602806880763904
2017-07-22 18:05:56	alanz	Which sends a didOpen message with the contents
2017-07-22 18:06:28	wz1000	which version of vscode are you running?
2017-07-22 18:06:50	wz1000	because I updated the textDocumentSync thing to match the spec
2017-07-22 18:07:05	wz1000	I'm running 1.14.1
2017-07-22 18:07:21	wz1000	Also, try rebuilding the vscode extenstion
2017-07-22 18:07:47	wz1000	textDocumentSync":{"openClose":true,"change":2,"willSave":false,"willSaveWaitUntil":false,"save":{"includeText":false}}
2017-07-22 18:07:50	alanz	It is the detailed textdocumentsync stuff you filled in
2017-07-22 18:07:53	alanz	yes
2017-07-22 18:08:13	alanz	includeText should be true
2017-07-22 18:08:20	wz1000	for save?
2017-07-22 18:08:33	alanz	I'm running the current one, whatever it is. 1.14.2, I think
2017-07-22 18:08:49	wz1000	Strange, it works for me
2017-07-22 18:08:55	alanz	hmm, not sure. But I will experiment with it.
2017-07-22 18:09:28	alanz	Are you running against my current vscode-client thing? I may have updated it recently
2017-07-22 18:09:40	wz1000	should we go back to the old textDocumentSync?
2017-07-22 18:10:04	alanz	no, I have local mods. Hold on
2017-07-22 18:10:20	wz1000	The new one broke atom too. But the atom client just merged a PR today that should fix it.
2017-07-22 18:11:51	alanz	I just pushed the change to the local client, which updated the vscode engine. See https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/commit/33d40b60f10122e9e1ce678aa9a8955f86356466
2017-07-22 18:12:03	alanz	1.12.0 instead of 1.6.0
2017-07-22 18:12:25	alanz	I looked into other plugins when 1.14 came out, to find the current versions
2017-07-22 18:13:12	alanz	because I have not (yet) found a place where these things are documented, per release of vscode
2017-07-22 18:15:05	alanz	wz1000: try updating that and see if anything changes for you
2017-07-22 18:15:27	wz1000	alanz: I did. Still works as expected.
2017-07-22 18:15:53	alanz	I think you have to blow away your node_modules under that dir to get it to rebuild
2017-07-22 18:16:07	alanz	Or do some magical incantation to get the update to take hold
2017-07-22 18:16:25	alanz	let me do that too, to confirm that I am on the same baseline
2017-07-22 18:18:04	alanz	need to do npm update to populate the node_modules dir, it seems
2017-07-22 18:18:32	alanz	And now it works for me too :)
2017-07-22 18:18:56	alanz	This toolchain has *such* a large surface area
2017-07-22 18:19:02	wz1000	nice
2017-07-22 18:19:32	alanz	Its good to fully reset things from time to time
2017-07-22 18:20:54	--	Notice(GitHub77): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #266: Some fixes/improvements (master...master) https://git.io/v7kEJ
2017-07-22 18:20:54	--	Notice(GitHub54): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 7 new commits to master: https://git.io/v7kgQ
2017-07-22 18:20:54	--	Notice(GitHub54): haskell-ide-engine/master 9254f00 Zubin Duggal: updated to match haskell-lsp - breaks atom
2017-07-22 18:20:54	--	Notice(GitHub54): haskell-ide-engine/master f8fbc05 Zubin Duggal: stop hover failure if hoogle db not found
2017-07-22 18:20:54	--	Notice(GitHub54): haskell-ide-engine/master 9374b0f Zubin Duggal: Some fixes
2017-07-22 18:21:08	alanz	And having logging on by default while testing makes investigation much easier
2017-07-22 18:29:41	wz1000	alanz: can you test emacs with the new textDocumentSync?
2017-07-22 18:29:54	alanz	ok
2017-07-22 18:31:31	alanz	works with emacs
2017-07-22 18:31:33	alanz	:)
2017-07-22 18:32:52	alanz	and highlighting variables is a great feature
2017-07-22 18:33:04	alanz	Makes name shadowing less of a plague
2017-07-22 18:33:21	wz1000	that works in emacs?
2017-07-22 18:34:20	alanz	yes
2017-07-22 18:35:01	alanz	And just confirmed that it uses the renamed output. Added a spurious name shadowed assignment, and it is shown as separate
2017-07-22 18:35:03	alanz	:)
2017-07-22 18:35:20	alanz	But emacs only syncs on save, at the moment.
2017-07-22 18:37:03	alanz	I am ignoring the emacs mode at the moment, too much other stuff on my plate and do not want to bug the upstream dev, as he has other GSOC commitments for the summer
2017-07-22 18:37:07	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/ghc-mod/commit/1279f611ecac636458393795eb937008e7c3d741
2017-07-22 18:37:38	alanz	that should do it.
2017-07-22 18:38:02	alanz	then we can go back to the always map files version in hie
2017-07-22 18:38:30	wz1000	go back?
2017-07-22 18:38:39	wz1000	oh, that, yeah
2017-07-22 18:38:41	alanz	or keep then
2017-07-22 18:39:02	alanz	this is the driver behind that ghc-mod change, as I understand things
2017-07-22 18:39:17	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/4f473247fa2692091512d979f71bebfc9db97d44
2017-07-22 18:39:20	wz1000	^
2017-07-22 18:39:56	wz1000	I think this needs a few days testing before merging into the main repo
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2017-07-22 18:41:47	wz1000	alanz: I can confirm, it solves the ghc-mod bugs.
2017-07-22 18:44:48	alanz	great
2017-07-22 18:45:19	alanz	We are starting to get to the point of being able to use it for daily dev, and sort out issues as they come up.
2017-07-22 18:45:50	alanz	The one big question mark for me still is the REPL thought
2017-07-22 18:45:52	alanz	though
2017-07-22 18:46:15	alanz	which is out of scope for the current effort, but will have to come into the mix sometime.
2017-07-22 18:46:19	wz1000	I don't think that fits into the lsp model
2017-07-22 18:46:30	alanz	agree.
2017-07-22 18:47:09	alanz	But fundamentally having a GHC process which loads a project for the hie server, and another one for the repl seems very wasteful
2017-07-22 18:47:25	alanz	so one day we will have to bridge that gap
2017-07-22 18:47:49	alanz	And I think it will happen via having a separate endpoint into hie.
2017-07-22 18:48:26	alanz	Which is why having the dispatcher in place is important. So we can feed stuff in via LSP, plus whatever REPL interface gets exposed
2017-07-22 18:48:58	alanz	and potentially run ghci in external-interpreter mode, to manage its IO
2017-07-22 18:49:12	alanz	But this is all future
2017-07-22 18:51:35	wz1000	how do we build the entire project?
2017-07-22 18:53:58	wz1000	alanz ?
2017-07-22 18:57:42	wz1000	at this point, I find hie better for reading and browsing code than hackage/stackage
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2017-07-22 19:01:44	alanz	wz1000: what do you mean, how do we build the entire project?
2017-07-22 19:02:20	alanz	if you mean from inside hie, then the answer is via the plugin arrowsvc has been working on
2017-07-22 19:02:32	alanz	exposed as custom commands
2017-07-22 19:03:17	wz1000	ah. ghc-mod doesn't have a standard way to do it?
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2017-07-22 19:03:38	alanz	no, ghc-mod simply reacts to the environment as it changes
2017-07-22 19:03:43	wz1000	because I need to do that with a custom hook to collect references data etc.
2017-07-22 19:04:53	alanz	well, we can do that indirectly by getting the module graph for a component from ghc-mod, then calling runGmltXXX with the whole thing
2017-07-22 19:08:56	arrowsvc	And I planned to just call "stack build"/"cabal build"
2017-07-22 19:10:50	alanz	well, that is fine, but may as well have a common path through hie for it
2017-07-22 19:11:39	alanz	I presume you mean call one of those from hie as a subprocess? vs expecting a shell command from the user, or some such
2017-07-22 19:12:19	alanz	And for me having human input on when stack is allowed to operate would be a massive plus
2017-07-22 19:13:04	alanz	I have been very furstrated when trying to inspect source on something I cabal unpacked and having to wait while stack downloads and builds the world
2017-07-22 19:13:11	alanz	To give flycheck warnings
2017-07-22 19:14:03	arrowsvc	Hum. This isn't a problem for me, because KDevelop automatically configures the project when opened.
2017-07-22 19:14:19	arrowsvc	I guess, it is that IDE vs code editor distinction again.
2017-07-22 19:14:37	alanz	yes.
2017-07-22 19:14:50	alanz	But how does KDevelop automatically configure?
2017-07-22 19:15:00	alanz	via some other process, or via your plugin?
2017-07-22 19:15:38	arrowsvc	It depends on build system. For CMake it calls cmake executable.
2017-07-22 19:15:49	arrowsvc	And I planned to ask HIE to do the same thing.
2017-07-22 19:15:55	arrowsvc	So that HIE would call stack or cabal.
2017-07-22 19:16:06	alanz	ok, then I think we are on the same page then
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2017-07-23 14:47:32	wz1000	alanz: I tried making the mapped files in the same directory as the originals, but that completely breaks HIE.
2017-07-23 14:47:35	wz1000	Any idea why?
2017-07-23 14:50:05	alanz	nope
2017-07-23 14:50:20	alanz	How exactly does it break?
2017-07-23 14:50:21	wz1000	it fails to load the typechecked module, or even give errors for any changes
2017-07-23 14:50:33	wz1000	heres my diff: http://lpaste.net/357154
2017-07-23 14:50:36	alanz	And what does ghc-mod say?
2017-07-23 14:51:08	alanz	does it end up with the same extension? that is important
2017-07-23 14:51:12	wz1000	--vomit tells me its trying to load the mapped file; 
2017-07-23 14:51:13	wz1000	yes
2017-07-23 14:51:18	wz1000	(same extension)
2017-07-23 14:51:25	wz1000	No error or anything
2017-07-23 14:51:57	alanz	try taking the leading "." out
2017-07-23 14:52:13	wz1000	I did - no difference
2017-07-23 14:52:46	alanz	ok. I wonder if it is seen by ghc-mod as being in the source dir, so it tries to find the matching component etc
2017-07-23 14:52:59	alanz	It could well be impossible to to this
2017-07-23 14:53:07	alanz	Remind me why we are considering it?
2017-07-23 14:53:17	wz1000	for #includes
2017-07-23 14:53:40	wz1000	cpp includes can't find the file to be included in the tmp dir
2017-07-23 14:54:08	alanz	thats right.
2017-07-23 14:55:00	alanz	I seem to recall dxld experimenting with essentially copying the project to a temp space and working there. Change the actual file in place.
2017-07-23 14:55:08	alanz	But that is a bit extreme, I think
2017-07-23 14:55:25	alanz	CPP is a pain
2017-07-23 14:57:09	alanz	I suspect we are going to have to tell ghc-mod about files mapped into the current dir, so it can skip its normal processing of them.
2017-07-23 14:57:20	alanz	Or use the original filename instead.
2017-07-23 14:57:36	 *	alanz just speculating 
2017-07-23 14:58:10	wz1000	All the looking up component stuff happens before the file is replaced with the mapped version
2017-07-23 14:59:20	alanz	wz1000: In the old source you use GM.loadMappedFileSource
2017-07-23 14:59:29	alanz	And in the new it is just GM.loadMappedFile
2017-07-23 15:00:47	wz1000	yes, because loadMappedFileSource makes a tmp file and dumps the contents of the string there
2017-07-23 15:00:48	alanz	you have not committed anything?
2017-07-23 15:00:52	wz1000	we need to skip that
2017-07-23 15:00:53	wz1000	no
2017-07-23 15:01:07	alanz	I figured that, as I looked more closely. 
2017-07-23 15:02:34	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/tree/same-dir-mapping
2017-07-23 15:04:17	alanz	ok, I am just lining up my local copy of ghc-mod too
2017-07-23 15:08:21	alanz	ghc-mod vomit says it has loaded the file
2017-07-23 15:08:35	alanz	But it seems we do not pick it up
2017-07-23 15:09:32	alanz	See http://lpaste.net/4809359848116322304
2017-07-23 15:09:48	alanz	And I notice the one file is a full file path, the other a relative one
2017-07-23 15:09:59	alanz	I wonder if our hook filename match is affected
2017-07-23 15:12:18	wz1000	I tried making it absolute - ghc mod seems to make it relative anyway
2017-07-23 15:13:36	alanz	ok
2017-07-23 15:13:56	alanz	I would enable the putStrLn stuff in the hook processing, and see what comes out
2017-07-23 15:14:21	alanz	Make sure it goes to stderr, not stdout though, using hPutStrLn
2017-07-23 15:15:58	wz1000	ok
2017-07-23 15:16:10	wz1000	First I will move that stuff into hie itself
2017-07-23 15:18:29	alanz	sounds good
2017-07-23 15:19:22	alanz	and make the debug output switchable somehow. If the loglevel is deug or higher, put a flag in the MVar to enable the hPutStr. Or something like that
2017-07-23 15:19:36	 *	alanz afk for a bit
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2017-07-23 20:28:33	alanz	wz1000: FYI, tried to invoke hie on happy, which uses .lhs. Modified extension to fire up hie, but it does nothing.
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2017-07-23 23:09:34	wz1000	alanz: hmm, does ghc-mod work?
2017-07-23 23:12:15	alanz	"ghc-mod check src/Main.lhs" gives a result I would expect
2017-07-23 23:20:03	alanz	wz1000: btw, I am travelling mon/tues. So will not be available much
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2017-07-23 23:41:05	wz1000	ok
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2017-07-24 14:42:03	wz1000	Lierdakil: ping
2017-07-24 14:42:50	wz1000	what problems were there with targetContents ?
2017-07-24 14:48:14	Lierdakil	wz1000: 'twas a long time ago
2017-07-24 14:48:24	Lierdakil	So I don't remember exactly
2017-07-24 14:48:45	Lierdakil	But IIRC GHC doesn't do any preprocessing on targetContents
2017-07-24 14:48:55	Lierdakil	which means no TH, no CPP, no nothing
2017-07-24 14:49:22	Lierdakil	Which was a deal-breaker
2017-07-24 14:50:06	wz1000	ah.
2017-07-24 14:50:19	wz1000	mapped files aren't working that well tbh.
2017-07-24 14:50:38	Lierdakil	well, it's a hack
2017-07-24 14:50:50	Lierdakil	it kinda works
2017-07-24 14:51:06	wz1000	If you unload a mapped file, sometimes that module won't be recompiled when loading new modules
2017-07-24 14:51:20	wz1000	So the stuff in the new modules still points to the mapped file.
2017-07-24 14:51:25	wz1000	Which doesn't exist now
2017-07-24 14:52:11	wz1000	Any way I can force recompilation for those modules?
2017-07-24 14:52:30	Lierdakil	mhm. I vaguely remember I did try to fix something similar
2017-07-24 14:52:44	Lierdakil	but that was a caching issue I think
2017-07-24 14:52:59	Lierdakil	hold on a sec
2017-07-24 14:53:30	wz1000	also, files mapped from tmp dirs mean cpp includes don't work
2017-07-24 14:53:39	wz1000	if the file to be included is in the same dir
2017-07-24 14:53:59	wz1000	And trying to put the mapped file in the same directory completely breaks stuff.
2017-07-24 14:55:54	Lierdakil	See https://github.com/DanielG/ghc-mod/pull/737
2017-07-24 14:56:04	Lierdakil	I think that might be related?
2017-07-24 14:56:59	Lierdakil	abandonAll seemed promising, but ultimately I had to drop session =\
2017-07-24 14:57:20	Lierdakil	I'm not sure how HIE interacts with those parts (or if at all)
2017-07-24 14:57:57	Lierdakil	wz1000: ^
2017-07-24 15:13:00	wz1000	Lierdakil: yes, it seems like the same thing
2017-07-24 15:14:41	wz1000	Lierdakil: but I don't see how that commit would fix the issue. Did you do something on the atom side?
2017-07-24 15:15:34	Lierdakil	that thing works with ghc-mod legacy-interactive
2017-07-24 15:15:59	Lierdakil	legacy-interactive loop checks for changes in World and drops session if something changed
2017-07-24 15:16:22	wz1000	ok, so I have to drop session when mapping/unmapping files?
2017-07-24 15:16:56	Lierdakil	pretty much. you might want to experiment with abandonAll first though
2017-07-24 15:17:19	wz1000	what about reloading the unmapped file on unmapping?
2017-07-24 15:17:44	Lierdakil	I couldn't make it work back then and ran out of time
2017-07-24 15:17:59	Lierdakil	dropping session always works. but is slow as hell, obviously
2017-07-24 15:18:26	Lierdakil	setting target again didn't seem to make any difference
2017-07-24 15:18:42	Lierdakil	unsetting and then setting didn't work either
2017-07-24 15:19:01	Lierdakil	I'm a bit fuzzy on details though
2017-07-24 15:19:20	Lierdakil	a year is enough time to forget those
2017-07-24 15:20:02	wz1000	ok, i'll try it out.
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2017-07-24 15:34:45	wz1000	Lierdakil: I looked at the source for abandonAll, I think it has to do with debugging?
2017-07-24 15:34:56	wz1000	I don't think it would be applicable here.
2017-07-24 15:40:28	Lierdakil	wz1000: well, you might as well look over GHCi sources to see how it handles load/reload
2017-07-24 15:41:01	Lierdakil	I don't remember why I had the idea abandonAll would help =\
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2017-07-24 23:04:43	arrowsvc	HIE started to return "{\"Right\":true}" for successful commands?
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2017-07-25 12:16:05	wz1000	alanz: I think ghc will treat files with a .hs extension as regular haskell files, not literate files.
2017-07-25 12:16:15	wz1000	So renaming shouldn't work
2017-07-25 12:18:25	wz1000	we need to get vscode to load hie for .lhs files
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2017-07-25 12:34:36	renzhi	Hi, I just cloned from https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine, but build failed while building package scientific-0.3.4.15.
2017-07-25 12:35:08	renzhi	any specific branch I should be using instead?
2017-07-25 12:35:31	wz1000	renzhi: no, that should work
2017-07-25 12:35:48	wz1000	what platform are you running on, and whats the error you get?
2017-07-25 12:36:02	renzhi	linux debian
2017-07-25 12:36:24	renzhi	Cabal-simple_mPHDZzAJ_1.24.2.0_ghc-8.0.2: scientific.cabal:6: unrecognised
2017-07-25 12:37:07	renzhi	field or section:
2017-07-25 12:37:18	wz1000	try stack clean && stack install haskell-ide-engine
2017-07-25 12:37:19	renzhi	then a bunch of NULL NULL NULL...
2017-07-25 12:38:20	renzhi	ok, retrying that.
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2017-07-25 12:44:41	wz1000	renzhi: if it still doesn't work, try blowing away your ~/.stack, or reporting this on the stackage issue tracker
2017-07-25 12:45:43	BillSun[m]	@renzhi, I just built and installed yesterday (7/23) so it should work
2017-07-25 12:46:21	BillSun[m]	Got the VSCode extension working as well.  Really cool!
2017-07-25 12:46:41	wz1000	BillSun[m]: nice, is it working well for you?
2017-07-25 12:47:31	wz1000	do report any bugs you find, or anything that doesn't work as expected.
2017-07-25 12:48:16	BillSun[m]	Aside from HaRe being a little slow, so far everything works.  And it's nice to have first class language support via the Language Server, so that standard VSCode IDE commands and shortcuts work on Haskell code as well.
2017-07-25 12:48:43	wz1000	HaRe as in renaming?
2017-07-25 12:48:57	BillSun[m]	yes
2017-07-25 12:49:30	renzhi	wz1000: I've been retrying a third time now, somehow, it fails at different packages...
2017-07-25 12:49:59	wz1000	yeah, we haven't integrated HaRe commands into the caching layer yet. Once thats done, there should a significant speedup
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2017-07-25 12:50:22	wz1000	So running HaRe commands forces a recompile of the module
2017-07-25 12:50:40	renzhi	anyone working on emacs integration? I'm so tired of intero
2017-07-25 12:50:49	wz1000	renzhi: hmm, try reporting it on the stackage issue tracker?
2017-07-25 12:51:19	wz1000	There is some emacs integration, but the main dev is currently occupied with something else, so progress is slow
2017-07-25 12:51:33	wz1000	https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell
2017-07-25 12:51:47	renzhi	I'll try an ultimate solution: remove .stack, if that won't do, I'll report it
2017-07-25 12:51:59	wz1000	emacs support is still a bit wonky though
2017-07-25 12:57:16	BillSun[m]	@wz1000, ah, that's why.  I'm excited to see this project maturing!  I'm still learning Haskell, and while I only spent a few hours with hie on vscode, so far the experience has been far more integrated, fluid, and useful than using Haskero or Atom's haskell plugin.  The hover over hoogle documentation reduces the friction of learning Haskell by a lot (for me at least), since access to high quality
2017-07-25 12:57:17	BillSun[m]	documentation is only a mouse point away.
2017-07-25 12:57:41	BillSun[m]	(Even less friction than a click!)
2017-07-25 12:59:00	wz1000	good to hear!
2017-07-25 13:14:59	renzhi	got it to build finally :)
2017-07-25 13:20:44	wz1000	nice
2017-07-25 13:21:17	wz1000	after blowing away .stack?
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2017-07-25 13:23:37	renzhi	no, I did stack clean, stack install several times. It failed several times, at different places, and I've done it like 7 times, to finally get the whole thing build
2017-07-25 13:26:06	wz1000	strange. I think you should probably report it.
2017-07-25 13:29:08	renzhi	I'll play with it for a whole to see if I run into any strange behavior.
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2017-07-25 13:59:46	renzhi	I'm trying with the vscode extension, somehow, hovering over a function does not bring up the documentation, it's stuck with "loading...", despite that I already do 'hoogle generate' and 'stack hoogle' in my project.
2017-07-25 14:00:01	renzhi	hlint seems ok
2017-07-25 14:02:02	wz1000	renzhi: do you get any ghcmod errors/diagnostics?
2017-07-25 14:02:25	wz1000	And have you built your project?
2017-07-25 14:02:46	renzhi	yes
2017-07-25 14:02:58	wz1000	You get errors/diagnostics?
2017-07-25 14:03:06	renzhi	stack hoogle && stack build
2017-07-25 14:03:38	renzhi	I don't see any error, it's just sitting there, showing "Loading..." and nothing happens
2017-07-25 14:03:41	wz1000	type some garbage into your file? do you get a compile error?
2017-07-25 14:19:06	renzhi	strange, everything compiles fine. 
2017-07-25 14:19:23	renzhi	even hovering over putStrLn does not show anything
2017-07-25 14:20:36	wz1000	renzhi: in hie-vscode.sh, comment out the existing hie command and change it to "hie --lsp -d -l /tmp/hie.log --vomit"
2017-07-25 14:20:51	renzhi	ok
2017-07-25 14:21:15	wz1000	then tell me what you get in the output window in vscode, and also send me /tmp/hie.log
2017-07-25 14:26:00	renzhi	the suspicious thing in the vscode output window would be this: hie: attempting to use module ‘Main’ (app/TestDbh.hs) which is not loaded
2017-07-25 14:26:33	renzhi	here is the whole thing:
2017-07-25 14:26:45	renzhi	[Error - 4:52:41 PM] haskell-lsp:Got setTraceNotification ignoring
2017-07-25 14:26:47	renzhi	[Error - 4:52:41 PM] haskell-lsp:no handler for. Object (fromList [("jsonrpc",String "2.0"),("params",Object (fromList [("settings",Object (fromList [("languageServerHaskell",Object (fromList [("maxNumberOfProblems",Number 100.0)]))]))])),("method",String "workspace/didChangeConfiguration")])
2017-07-25 14:26:49	renzhi	hie: attempting to use module ‘Main’ (app/TestDbh.hs) which is not loaded
2017-07-25 14:27:00	wz1000	ok, so hie crashed :(
2017-07-25 14:27:25	wz1000	can you send me the .cabal file you are using?
2017-07-25 14:28:01	renzhi	wz1000: send you via...?
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2017-07-25 14:28:31	wz1000	renzhi: lpaste.net
2017-07-25 14:30:56	renzhi	wz1000: http://lpaste.net/7903329691153465344
2017-07-25 14:31:30	renzhi	this is some small thing we used for training our staff
2017-07-25 14:31:52	wz1000	renzhi: can you compile the tests and try again?
2017-07-25 14:32:32	renzhi	sure
2017-07-25 14:34:34	renzhi	wz1000: here's a pattern
2017-07-25 14:35:50	wz1000	?
2017-07-25 14:35:57	renzhi	If I startup vscode-hie-server, and open a file with module name 'Main' first, it seems to work, but as soon as I open another file and hover over similar function (e.g. putStrLn), it does not work anymore
2017-07-25 14:39:05	renzhi	more precision: that is, if I open a file that has a 'main' function, but if it's not called module 'Main', then it stops working.
2017-07-25 14:39:52	renzhi	so it is assuming that a project can only have one file with a 'main' function, or something?
2017-07-25 14:41:11	wz1000	no, it should work as long as they are in different components
2017-07-25 14:41:35	wz1000	If you could share the code, I could try it out myself
2017-07-25 14:43:12	renzhi	as long as I don't open any file with a 'main' function (but it's not in a module called 'Main'), it's fine.
2017-07-25 14:43:38	renzhi	Unfortunately, this code contains some internal stuff.
2017-07-25 14:43:52	renzhi	let me create a new small project to try to replicate the problem.
2017-07-25 14:52:32	renzhi	wz1000: I got a small project with only two files that can reproduce the problem
2017-07-25 14:53:05	wz1000	renzhi: great, can you share it. I will take a look
2017-07-25 14:53:39	renzhi	hang on
2017-07-25 15:00:23	renzhi	wz1000: https://github.com/renzhi/test-hie
2017-07-25 15:03:26	wz1000	ok, I can reproduce it
2017-07-25 15:06:26	renzhi	cool
2017-07-25 15:09:59	wz1000	renzhi: adding the line "module Main where" to the top of Dummy.hs fixes it for me
2017-07-25 15:10:18	wz1000	So that can be a workaround.
2017-07-25 15:10:24	wz1000	I will look into the actual cause too.
2017-07-25 15:12:42	renzhi	that's what I was suspecting, that if it sees a 'main' function, and then it assumes that it must be in the module 'Main'.
2017-07-25 15:12:55	renzhi	I tried it here too.
2017-07-25 15:14:16	renzhi	wz1000: thx
2017-07-25 15:25:00	wz1000	but it should automatically assume any module without the module .. where to be called Main
2017-07-25 15:26:41	wz1000	and ghc-mod seems to work for the original Dummy.hs, which means it should work for hie too
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2017-07-26 00:35:25	alanz	wz1000: I'm back. Catching up on backlog
2017-07-26 00:47:50	wz1000	alanz: hey
2017-07-26 00:48:05	alanz	I see a lot has been happening
2017-07-26 00:48:12	alanz	And some very nice things being said
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2017-07-26 00:48:58	wz1000	yeah, that was nice to hear
2017-07-26 00:50:07	alanz	I see a #LINE pragma being added. Nice idea
2017-07-26 00:50:16	alanz	But you have to force CPP?
2017-07-26 00:50:32	alanz	Which may break things in unexpected ways
2017-07-26 00:50:33	wz1000	force CPP?
2017-07-26 00:50:48	alanz	is it processed by GHC or CPP?
2017-07-26 00:50:54	wz1000	no, ghc ahs its own LINE pragma
2017-07-26 00:50:57	wz1000	*has
2017-07-26 00:51:00	alanz	ok, awesome
2017-07-26 00:51:08	wz1000	but it broke apply-refact
2017-07-26 00:51:12	wz1000	I'm working on a fix
2017-07-26 00:51:13	alanz	that's a great solution then
2017-07-26 00:51:40	wz1000	And my fix almost works
2017-07-26 00:51:48	alanz	ok, but it sorts out the file name references in error messages, I hope
2017-07-26 00:52:02	wz1000	yes
2017-07-26 00:52:10	wz1000	but it broke apply-refact
2017-07-26 00:52:53	alanz	how?
2017-07-26 00:53:16	wz1000	because it silently modifies the mapped file, so that the vfs and the mapped file are no longer in sync
2017-07-26 00:53:33	wz1000	so the diffing breaks
2017-07-26 00:53:45	alanz	ok, so it works against the input file, on the filesystem
2017-07-26 00:53:52	wz1000	yes
2017-07-26 00:54:00	wz1000	Now, I'm trying to add the LINE pragma at the very last moment
2017-07-26 00:54:01	alanz	ok
2017-07-26 00:54:06	alanz	ok
2017-07-26 00:54:10	wz1000	Instead of modifying the mapped file
2017-07-26 00:54:26	alanz	ok
2017-07-26 00:54:29	wz1000	I'm going to add the LINE pragma just before parsing the file
2017-07-26 00:54:33	alanz	In the hook? :)
2017-07-26 00:54:35	wz1000	yes
2017-07-26 00:54:41	alanz	sounds good
2017-07-26 00:54:59	alanz	you will grow to love the hook :)
2017-07-26 00:56:20	wz1000	alanz: so, it almost works.
2017-07-26 00:56:32	wz1000	It now reports both the mapped file and the original file
2017-07-26 00:56:38	wz1000	for those errors only
2017-07-26 00:57:00	alanz	ok
2017-07-26 00:57:25	wz1000	it reports only one error for the rest
2017-07-26 00:58:05	alanz	which errors? hlint ones?
2017-07-26 00:58:23	wz1000	ghc-mod ones
2017-07-26 00:58:24	alanz	I am building your master atm, will take a look when done. And updating my stack
2017-07-26 00:59:18	wz1000	alanz: I just pushed my lastest change
2017-07-26 00:59:27	wz1000	with the last moment loading of the line pragmas
2017-07-26 00:59:52	alanz	ok
2017-07-26 01:00:11	wz1000	it is slightly hacky because I have to remove the LINE pragmas ghc adds
2017-07-26 01:00:42	alanz	ok. So this thing is starting to sound a bit dodgy.
2017-07-26 01:00:55	alanz	Maybe the solution is to fix apply-refact itself?
2017-07-26 01:01:14	wz1000	alanz: apply-refact is fine. It is our process to get errors by diffing that isn't
2017-07-26 01:02:04	wz1000	Also, I don't think keeping the mapped file and the vfs out of sync is a good idea
2017-07-26 01:02:13	wz1000	This way we avoid that.
2017-07-26 01:02:15	alanz	agree.
2017-07-26 01:02:52	alanz	So getting apply-refact to spit output to another file would allow us to diff it to the vfs version, send the workspaceedit to the client, and all is good
2017-07-26 01:03:57	wz1000	alanz: but the apply refact output would include the LINE pragma
2017-07-26 01:04:21	wz1000	so we would essentially have to maintain two files, one with the pragma and one without
2017-07-26 01:04:31	alanz	well, when we do an apply-refact command we could not put in the LINE pragma
2017-07-26 01:04:47	alanz	but it goes in virtually, in the hook?
2017-07-26 01:05:35	wz1000	yes
2017-07-26 01:05:42	wz1000	look at my latest commit
2017-07-26 01:05:55	alanz	ok, have not had a chance to yet
2017-07-26 01:06:37	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/aa567e3b6a559e952dff019af643b6b81bfaa3e4#diff-36dba2d3fdbd2c0c8475df1aa488c404R444
2017-07-26 01:06:51	alanz	looking now
2017-07-26 01:09:11	alanz	and of course this is a terribly inefficient process.
2017-07-26 01:09:25	alanz	Remind me why we can't do it when dumping the VFS?
2017-07-26 01:09:34	alanz	apply-refact gets unhappy?
2017-07-26 01:09:47	wz1000	yes
2017-07-26 01:10:25	alanz	I wonder if we should try to fix it there, by passing in a parameter, and processing specially
2017-07-26 01:10:45	alanz	because all that string shuffling is going to be horrible on every compile
2017-07-26 01:11:14	alanz	now if we had a lazy bytestring instead, and could just prepend a chunk ...
2017-07-26 01:11:31	alanz	but the buffer is baked into GHC
2017-07-26 01:11:49	wz1000	hmm, but we still have to strip the buffer of the LINEs added by ghc itself
2017-07-26 01:12:15	wz1000	it adds them while preprocessing
2017-07-26 01:12:15	alanz	during it's CPP process?
2017-07-26 01:12:19	wz1000	yes
2017-07-26 01:12:47	alanz	I think we are setting ourselves up for some weird cornercases here
2017-07-26 01:12:58	alanz	because some of those pragmas are needed
2017-07-26 01:13:13	wz1000	those need to point to the original file
2017-07-26 01:13:17	alanz	Sometimes a .hs file literally #includes another haskell file
2017-07-26 01:13:31	alanz	and the #LINE pragma tracks that
2017-07-26 01:13:38	wz1000	yeah, but we only remove them from the top
2017-07-26 01:14:10	wz1000	so unless the first line in your program is a LINE pragma, nothing should break
2017-07-26 01:14:23	alanz	e.g. https://github.com/ghc/ghc/blob/master/compiler/basicTypes/DataCon.hs#L62
2017-07-26 01:14:29	alanz	ok
2017-07-26 01:15:39	wz1000	but it would be slow
2017-07-26 01:16:14	alanz	But I understood this doing it in the hook is only because of apply-refact?
2017-07-26 01:16:24	alanz	Or is there another reason too?
2017-07-26 01:17:12	wz1000	brittany might also break
2017-07-26 01:17:36	alanz	btw, apply-refact runs as a pipeline, getting hlint to spit out a special format, which is then applied.
2017-07-26 01:18:02	alanz	So there may be a possibility based on that
2017-07-26 01:18:03	wz1000	Right now, we dump vfs to the ghc-mod mapped file, which we use to do all further processing
2017-07-26 01:18:14	alanz	yes
2017-07-26 01:18:22	wz1000	so vfs is never accessed by a plugin 
2017-07-26 01:18:35	alanz	I know.
2017-07-26 01:18:54	wz1000	Things that are not using the ghc api don't know about mapped file, so may return the wrong results
2017-07-26 01:18:57	alanz	But we know in hie when we are doing an apply hint operation
2017-07-26 01:19:26	wz1000	but brittany would also probably break
2017-07-26 01:19:33	alanz	so can do something special
2017-07-26 01:19:39	alanz	ok.
2017-07-26 01:20:01	alanz	But my instinct tells me we should rather teach the other things about mapped files
2017-07-26 01:20:29	wz1000	and we would have to add the special casing to any plugin that deals with the file directly in the future
2017-07-26 01:20:59	alanz	I know. But if that was part of the caching layer, it could make it easier
2017-07-26 01:21:31	alanz	so the tools are expected to be able to use it
2017-07-26 01:22:29	wz1000	I still don't see how diffing would work
2017-07-26 01:22:33	alanz	We could make a brute-force approach: for unaware tools, move the original file somewhere safe, replace it with the VFS one, run the tool, replace
2017-07-26 01:23:07	alanz	What are we diffing atm for apply-refact?
2017-07-26 01:24:49	wz1000	mapped file - modified mapped file
2017-07-26 01:25:36	wz1000	there is another good option that might work - figure out how the pragma works in ghc, and somehow get its effects without modifying the source.
2017-07-26 01:26:28	alanz	yes, it will be in the routine to load file from source
2017-07-26 01:26:49	alanz	Maybe we can make a version that gets passed in the file name
2017-07-26 01:28:13	wz1000	I think its in the happy parser
2017-07-26 01:28:18	alanz	We are using http://hackage.haskell.org/package/apply-refact-0.4.0.0/docs/Refact-Apply.html
2017-07-26 01:28:29	alanz	applyRefactorings
2017-07-26 01:28:34	alanz	which returns a string
2017-07-26 01:29:00	wz1000	yes
2017-07-26 01:29:02	alanz	but is against the file with the LINE pragma. 
2017-07-26 01:29:18	alanz	So we just remove that bit from the diff we get?
2017-07-26 01:29:34	alanz	I think the modified loader is the best idea though
2017-07-26 01:29:43	alanz	most general across plugins
2017-07-26 01:29:49	wz1000	we can, but it still doesn't solve the issues with other plugins like brittany
2017-07-26 01:30:06	wz1000	alanz: according to mpickering its handled in the lexer
2017-07-26 01:30:25	alanz	yes, but there is an initial value
2017-07-26 01:30:41	alanz	Which is then changed when the lexer sees a LINE pragma
2017-07-26 01:31:09	alanz	So we should be able to pass in a specific one to the initial lexer invocation
2017-07-26 01:31:28	mpickering	There is one function which calls the C preprocessor which should teach you everything
2017-07-26 01:31:56	alanz	thanks.
2017-07-26 01:32:04	alanz	firing up my GHC source
2017-07-26 01:34:11	wz1000	but we still have to get rid of the line pragmas that ghc adds
2017-07-26 01:34:23	wz1000	because they will point to the mapped file
2017-07-26 01:34:38	wz1000	and the pragma is the one that takes effect
2017-07-26 01:34:45	wz1000	s/the/the last/
2017-07-26 01:36:12	alanz	ok.
2017-07-26 01:36:25	alanz	I need to do something else for a bit. 
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2017-07-26 02:14:48	alanz	wz1000: I think this line might be the key: https://github.com/ghc/ghc/blob/master/compiler/main/HscMain.hs#L327
2017-07-26 02:15:19	alanz	that loc is used to set the filename for the original parser state, which is used in the lexer
2017-07-26 02:15:38	alanz	And we already do that in the hook, so can (with a hassle) override it
2017-07-26 02:23:01	wz1000	alanz: but that is overridden by the other line pragmas
2017-07-26 02:26:16	alanz	when another file is #included? Or the ones emitted by CPP?
2017-07-26 02:26:43	alanz	I actually think we need a first-class mechanism in ghc to say that a file is mapped
2017-07-26 02:27:04	alanz	so that all references to the original filename come from there.
2017-07-26 02:28:33	alanz	But, that location is the only interface into the parse/lexer with the original source filename in it
2017-07-26 02:28:38	alanz	So it should be durable
2017-07-26 02:29:03	alanz	If you look at the source for hscParse'
2017-07-26 02:29:14	 *	alanz afk for a bit
2017-07-26 02:41:47	alanz	back
2017-07-26 02:42:43	alanz	And I guess the problem is real CPP, that adds FILE pragmas after an include
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2017-07-26 10:50:12	wz1000	alanz: yeah, additional FILE pragmas are also somehow added while loading LspStdio.hs
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2017-07-26 12:05:29	wz1000	alanz: I fixed the cpp includes by adding the original directory to includePaths in the DynFlags
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2017-07-26 14:45:31	alanz	wz1000: great
2017-07-26 14:46:26	wz1000	also, I cleaned up the hook/loading code quite a bit. Got rid of the HareHsc type. 
2017-07-26 14:49:21	wz1000	we should probably do the same for HaRe
2017-07-26 14:52:38	alanz	I intend getting HaRe to rely on the ghc-mod-core caching layer when that is a thing
2017-07-26 14:52:46	alanz	So all that code will move out completely
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2017-07-26 17:39:14	arrowsvc	Should I pass paths to file parameters with file:// prefix now?
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2017-07-26 19:05:21	alanz	arrowsvc: Where the type is a Uri, yes
2017-07-26 19:13:18	wz1000	alanz: the cpp adds a lot of line pragmas to the code, so the hook approach wasn't really working
2017-07-26 19:13:22	wz1000	So I removed that
2017-07-26 19:13:57	alanz	yes, I saw that. Been a hectic day so far here, I actually just compiled your latest version to give it a try
2017-07-26 19:14:12	wz1000	I'm thinking of adding a runPhase hook that adds the LINE pragma just before the cpp phase
2017-07-26 19:14:23	alanz	And I agree, the source environment is much more complex than you realise at first blush
2017-07-26 19:14:50	alanz	ok.
2017-07-26 19:15:02	wz1000	I'm been reading the ghc loading source for the past couple of days
2017-07-26 19:16:28	wz1000	quite a lot of stuff going on there
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2017-07-26 19:19:04	alanz	I know
2017-07-26 19:19:24	alanz	Much more complex than you realise when you first think of it
2017-07-26 19:20:01	alanz	BTW, When we send a code action for hlint, we should consider limiting it to the first line only
2017-07-26 19:20:17	wz1000	?
2017-07-26 19:20:26	wz1000	the first diagnostic?
2017-07-26 19:20:43	alanz	Because a redundant do warning ends up with a huge green marker across large chunks of code
2017-07-26 19:21:20	wz1000	yeah
2017-07-26 19:21:24	alanz	And the lightbulb only shows up on the first line
2017-07-26 19:21:31	wz1000	that is annoying
2017-07-26 19:21:44	alanz	And maybe it is only the redundant do that needs special processing
2017-07-26 19:21:47	alanz	agree
2017-07-26 19:22:12	wz1000	hlint also needs to know about the cpp include dirs
2017-07-26 19:23:38	alanz	I wonder what (if anything) emacs flycheck does in that case
2017-07-26 19:24:00	alanz	because it does a similar map file thing
2017-07-26 19:24:20	alanz	but runs using stack for context, not ghc-mod
2017-07-26 19:25:59	alanz	Something else, If I load up ghc-mod HomeModuleGraph.hs, and hover over mpath in preprocess' (around line 210), it shows 2 entries for "mpath :: ModulePath -> String"
2017-07-26 19:26:11	alanz	But other things are not duplicated
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2017-07-26 19:27:40	wz1000	yeah, one is the ghcmod type, the other is the hoogle info
2017-07-26 19:27:41	alanz	It is a field accessor. I wonder if that causes it. They are treated specially in the AST, as they are only resolved at type check time, due to the overloaded records fields possibility
2017-07-26 19:27:47	alanz	ok
2017-07-26 19:28:08	alanz	but why only for that, not for other things?
2017-07-26 19:28:18	wz1000	becase there are no docs for the other stuff
2017-07-26 19:28:41	wz1000	hover over something from other libraries/modules like Prelude
2017-07-26 19:28:49	wz1000	you should get too.
2017-07-26 19:28:53	wz1000	*two
2017-07-26 19:29:13	wz1000	The ghc-mod type is specialised for that instance, and the hoogle type is the general type in the docs
2017-07-26 19:29:44	wz1000	so hovering over return in return () gives two types
2017-07-26 19:29:52	wz1000	return :: () -> m ()
2017-07-26 19:29:56	alanz	ok, that makes sense
2017-07-26 19:29:59	wz1000	and return :: a -> m a
2017-07-26 19:30:49	alanz	And something that struck me as a cool addition, is when you match on say "ModulePath {..}", hovering on the ".." should show the things that are brought into scope by that
2017-07-26 19:30:58	alanz	i.e. all the fields of ModulePath
2017-07-26 19:31:25	wz1000	that could be nice
2017-07-26 19:31:55	alanz	esp as there was recently a statement on twitter that any decent IDE should do that, now I think of it :)
2017-07-26 19:32:44	wz1000	I'll look into it
2017-07-26 19:33:01	wz1000	btw, jasper wants 2-3 sentences on our progress
2017-07-26 19:33:43	alanz	ok, do you want to do something and let me look at it? Or just do it? Or do you want me to do it?
2017-07-26 19:34:11	alanz	Because that progress report we mailed is a pretty good statement of where we(you) are on this
2017-07-26 19:34:28	alanz	I guess he wants to update the web site
2017-07-26 19:34:32	wz1000	yeah
2017-07-26 19:35:10	wz1000	It was in an email about the midterm evaluations
2017-07-26 19:35:57	alanz	ok
2017-07-26 19:36:17	wz1000	I passed :)
2017-07-26 19:36:39	alanz	BTW, for extra bonus points, when highlighting the variable mpath a line after that match, we should make the ".." highlighted as the origin of the value
2017-07-26 19:36:52	alanz	I saw you passed, well done. Well deserved.
2017-07-26 19:37:36	wz1000	what does it highlight if you do a peek definition?
2017-07-26 19:38:05	alanz	hold on
2017-07-26 19:38:24	wz1000	the entire pattern match
2017-07-26 19:38:31	alanz	"ModulePath {..}"
2017-07-26 19:38:36	wz1000	yeah
2017-07-26 19:38:51	wz1000	Would highlighting that be fine?
2017-07-26 19:39:00	alanz	but you get used to always having a dar blue highlight for any variable that is used
2017-07-26 19:39:08	alanz	yes, perfect
2017-07-26 19:39:39	alanz	It is actually the entire pattern match that brings it in
2017-07-26 19:40:16	alanz	And I guess we need to check what happens with namedFieldPuns too, where it would come in via "ModulePath {mpath}"
2017-07-26 19:40:39	wz1000	I remember using them somewhere in hie
2017-07-26 19:40:42	alanz	in which case highlighting the whole thing or the component would probably be fine
2017-07-26 19:41:04	wz1000	HaRePlugin.hs
2017-07-26 19:41:13	alanz	NamedFieldPuns are cool, I dislike those wildcard things with "..".
2017-07-26 19:41:41	alanz	|Can't easily see where a thing comes from. Unless it is highlighted :)
2017-07-26 19:41:51	alanz	will take a look ...
2017-07-26 19:42:32	wz1000	ok, it highlights the field definition instead
2017-07-26 19:43:01	alanz	as expected. Great.
2017-07-26 19:43:43	wz1000	no, it doesn't highlight the puns
2017-07-26 19:44:26	wz1000	It doesn't do the right thing
2017-07-26 19:45:44	alanz	ok. What line in the source is that?
2017-07-26 19:45:57	alanz	HaRePlugin.hs
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2017-07-26 19:46:42	wz1000	540
2017-07-26 19:46:59	alanz	BTW, where we do get two results, that are identical in terms of signature, we should discard the one that is just a signature.
2017-07-26 19:47:29	alanz	ok, I see the problem.
2017-07-26 19:47:50	alanz	We need to set up test cases for this stuff, so it does not get lost along the way
2017-07-26 19:47:52	wz1000	if you highlight nameMap, it will highlight the field definition in data NameMap
2017-07-26 19:48:17	wz1000	I think I fixed it. Testing now
2017-07-26 19:48:23	alanz	For me it does not highlight anything
2017-07-26 19:48:25	alanz	ok
2017-07-26 19:48:52	wz1000	it should highlight the originial field in the data defn
2017-07-26 19:49:08	alanz	In the match of the data defn?
2017-07-26 19:49:15	wz1000	yes
2017-07-26 19:49:19	alanz	agree
2017-07-26 19:49:29	 *	alanz need to go now, commute
2017-07-26 19:52:58	wz1000	ok, fixed it one way - if you highlight a usage, it will highlight the defn correctly
2017-07-26 19:53:27	wz1000	so NM{nameM<hover>ap} = ... will not highlight usages
2017-07-26 19:53:58	wz1000	but NM{nameMap}/NM{..} = name<hover>Map will highlight the definition correctly
2017-07-26 19:54:15	wz1000	so you can tell where things are coming from
2017-07-26 19:54:23	wz1000	but not where things are used
2017-07-26 20:00:35	wz1000	do you think it would be a good idea to always compile with -fdefer-type-errors?
2017-07-26 20:16:01	alanz	We are now on https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/wiki/Protocol-Implementations
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2017-07-26 20:16:53	alanz	wz1000: I know there is some logic about that in ghc-mod. In general it is a good idea, for info gathering.
2017-07-26 20:17:19	alanz	But there is at least one thing that gets broken by it, I forget what. Something like the case split, or some such
2017-07-26 20:26:13	alanz	wz1000: Is it hard/impossible to take that mapping the other way? hover in the match to highlight the usages?
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2017-07-26 22:12:06	wz1000	alanz: it should be possible, but it will take some extra preprocessing
2017-07-26 22:15:14	wz1000	we would need to keep track of all the definitions in the module, and then binary search or something to find which definition range contains the cursor position
2017-07-26 22:15:47	wz1000	then output all names with that definition range
2017-07-26 22:16:28	wz1000	I'm talking about document highlight, so this would highlight stuff already in the document
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2017-07-26 22:17:27	wz1000	If you want to see whatever is introduced in scope by the wildcard, I'm not so sure how to approach it. I will have to take a closer look at the AST
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2017-07-26 22:59:04	wz1000	alanz: in initRdrNameMap, why do you ignore Exact and Orig names?
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2017-07-26 23:58:21	alanz	wz1000: Exact and Orig are the built in ones, I think. Like (), etc
2017-07-26 23:59:11	alanz	See https://github.com/alanz/ghc-exactprint/blob/master/src-ghc80/Language/Haskell/GHC/ExactPrint/Annotater.hs#L353
2017-07-27 00:46:31	wz1000	alanz: yeah, so whats the problem with keeping those too?
2017-07-27 01:03:23	alanz	I think they disappear in the RenamedSource. There is some problem with the mapping, that led me to take them out
2017-07-27 01:04:01	alanz	you can try to bring them back, if you like. And we can see what happens
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2017-07-27 14:40:17	alanz	wz1000: I am contemplating putting the vscode client onto the market, with huge disclaimers about being alpha quality
2017-07-27 14:41:51	alanz	and I am playing with phoityne-vscode. The debug interface basically exposes a REPL
2017-07-27 14:42:01	alanz	but it is vscode-specific
2017-07-27 14:42:19	alanz	and runs a separate ghc session
2017-07-27 14:43:00	alanz	interesting, it runs "stack ghci ...." as a sub-process
2017-07-27 14:43:50	alanz	I think we should expose the session via a separate interface in hie. I wonder if phoityne could talk to hie instead of stack.
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2017-07-27 22:26:18	wz1000	alanz: we need to send the project status 
2017-07-27 22:27:56	wz1000	"HIE with the vscode plugin is in a useable state and implements a large portion of LSP. More details can be found at <link to progress report>"
2017-07-27 22:27:58	wz1000	?
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2017-07-27 22:57:32	--	Notice(GitHub43): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #268: Many improvements (master...master) https://git.io/v7ZFm
2017-07-27 23:03:39	wz1000	alanz: ^
2017-07-27 23:08:08	alanz	wz1000: sounds good
2017-07-27 23:12:34	--	Notice(GitHub157): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #268: Many improvements (master...master) https://git.io/v7ZFm
2017-07-27 23:12:38	--	Notice(GitHub166): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 17 new commits to master: https://git.io/v7ZhB
2017-07-27 23:12:39	--	Notice(GitHub166): haskell-ide-engine/master 4f47324 Zubin Duggal: always map files
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2017-07-27 23:12:39	--	Notice(GitHub166): haskell-ide-engine/master 1a3a4b8 Zubin Duggal: Move loading logic from HaRe to HIE
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2017-07-29 11:58:06	wz1000	alanz: I tried making a runPhase hook that inserts the LINE pragma, but it doesn't work very well.
2017-07-29 11:58:46	wz1000	It doesn
2017-07-29 11:59:04	wz1000	't get triggered when the file has no cpp
2017-07-29 11:59:42	wz1000	 So we would have to do it again in the frontend hook anyway
2017-07-29 12:00:00	wz1000	also, it breaks positions on some files. I have no idea why
2017-07-29 12:00:52	wz1000	The positions in the files are shifted up by one line
2017-07-29 12:01:54	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/ae47f4d3d9d38de4d2026b6c1f8318df418482af
2017-07-29 12:02:11	wz1000	but it only happens with some files for some reason
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2017-07-29 13:29:46	alanz	wz1000: I am coming to the opinion that the LINE pragma might not be the right solutin. There are too many weird corner cases baked into the pipeline
2017-07-29 13:30:18	alanz	my understanding is that you are modifying the path for #include's in the mapped file?
2017-07-29 13:43:15	wz1000	the #include path stuff is seperate from the LINE pragma stuff 
2017-07-29 13:44:04	wz1000	alanz: but yes, I'm modifying the path for #includes to so that they can look for stuff to include in the original dir, not the dir of the mapped file
2017-07-29 13:45:03	alanz	ok, and I understood that was one of the main drivers for the #LINE pragma?
2017-07-29 13:45:30	alanz	Apart from error message translation, why do we need the #LINE pragma? To pick up diffs?
2017-07-29 13:45:40	wz1000	no, the line pragma was so that error messages report the correct file
2017-07-29 13:46:00	wz1000	we don't need it for anything else really.
2017-07-29 13:46:14	alanz	ok, so perhaps doing a string substitution in the message might be a better bet then.
2017-07-29 13:47:03	alanz	If we get the error structure early enough we can change the filename in the SrcSpan before rendering it
2017-07-29 13:47:18	wz1000	we get the SDoc
2017-07-29 13:47:23	alanz	Is that a posibility? I know a lot of the error contexts are SDocs
2017-07-29 13:48:00	alanz	We maybe need to put this in as a requirement on GHC.
2017-07-29 13:48:06	wz1000	I don't think so. at least not without reimplementing hscParse and hscTypecheckRename
2017-07-29 13:48:26	alanz	As the whole error reporting machinery is scheduled to change, in time
2017-07-29 13:48:57	alanz	to make it more of a structured thing, that can be rendered later as per need.
2017-07-29 13:49:53	alanz	Anyway, I suspect that there are too many weird corner cases in the wild to be able to get the #LINE working, and in time there will be a better solution for error reporting
2017-07-29 13:50:09	wz1000	ok
2017-07-29 13:50:15	alanz	So maybe we should focus on doing a string replace in the error messages?
2017-07-29 13:50:28	wz1000	ok
2017-07-29 13:50:37	alanz	I am happy for you to continue on the LINE stuff, just not optimistic that it will end up with a good result
2017-07-29 13:50:51	alanz	So you decide what approach you want to take
2017-07-29 13:51:31	wz1000	i agree with you about the line stuff
2017-07-29 13:51:45	alanz	And, just thinking off the wall, physically replacing the file while loading will cause havoc with IDEs that monitor for changed files
2017-07-29 13:52:00	wz1000	why?
2017-07-29 13:52:10	wz1000	we replace the temp file
2017-07-29 13:52:17	wz1000	not the actuall project file
2017-07-29 13:52:54	alanz	well, if we did a swap out of the original file with the mapped one, load it, then swap back, things like emacs will notice that, and raise a flag to say that an edited file has changed on disk
2017-07-29 13:53:22	wz1000	but emacs doesn't know about the mapped file
2017-07-29 13:53:26	alanz	I know. But I was considering the option of replacing the actual project file.
2017-07-29 13:53:41	wz1000	oh
2017-07-29 13:53:48	alanz	Which is not feasible for that reason. Hence a temporary file instead
2017-07-29 13:54:06	alanz	i.e. what we have is the best we can do. 
2017-07-29 13:54:14	alanz	And it is what emacs flycheck does
2017-07-29 13:54:25	alanz	I wonder what they do wrt error messages?
2017-07-29 13:54:28	wz1000	well, we can get TargetContents in ghc working with cpp
2017-07-29 13:54:33	alanz	Probably just string replace too
2017-07-29 13:54:55	alanz	the thing is, you can run any preprocessor instead of CPP
2017-07-29 13:55:25	alanz	via a CLI flag
2017-07-29 13:55:44	wz1000	btw, I think I figured out a way to get references data
2017-07-29 13:55:59	wz1000	Initially compute it for the whole project on initialize
2017-07-29 13:56:14	alanz	sounds good.
2017-07-29 13:56:25	wz1000	Then as new files are loaded/changed, replace their reference data with the new one
2017-07-29 13:56:30	alanz	And one day cache that info to file, once we know we can get it
2017-07-29 13:56:35	alanz	yes
2017-07-29 13:56:49	wz1000	so we have something like Map Uri ReferenceData
2017-07-29 13:57:00	alanz	sounds good
2017-07-29 13:57:35	alanz	It might be worth looking at the fpco ide-backend (or whatever), they were gathering all sorts of info too
2017-07-29 13:58:10	alanz	via hooks
2017-07-29 13:59:07	alanz	https://github.com/fpco/ide-backend/blob/860636f2d0e872e9481569236bce690637e0016e/ide-backend-server/Server.hs#L180
2017-07-29 14:00:25	wz1000	yeah, I did look at that stuff a few days ago
2017-07-29 14:03:00	alanz	ok. I am not sure what they are doing, but they have walked the path
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2017-07-29 15:14:09	alanz	wz1000: have you looked at https://github.com/arrowd/haskell-ide-engine/tree/build-plugin?
2017-07-29 15:20:21	wz1000	alanz: I want to build it with a custom hook
2017-07-29 15:21:02	wz1000	wait, the list targets function may be useful
2017-07-29 15:22:57	alanz	ok
2017-07-29 15:23:54	wz1000	arrowsvc: what is the status of your branch? Can we get it merged into hie?
2017-07-29 15:27:28	wz1000	no, those aren't ghc targets, those are stack/cabal targets.
2017-07-29 15:31:42	alanz	wz1000: there is no such concept as "the entire project"
2017-07-29 15:31:51	alanz	There are only cabal targets
2017-07-29 15:32:02	alanz	or rather cabal components
2017-07-29 15:32:11	alanz	In HaRe it is a problem too.
2017-07-29 15:32:37	alanz	To get the info, you need to work through all the cabal components and build them
2017-07-29 15:33:00	alanz	But in general, most tools let you select a single component and then work in it's context.
2017-07-29 15:33:38	alanz	Which for me is generally the test, but when you are loading the package under development as a lib the recompilation check does not work so well (in ghci)
2017-07-29 15:34:34	wz1000	yeah, I want to load every target in each of the cabal components
2017-07-29 15:34:34	alanz	So for dev I generally add the lib dir to the test source dirs, but this leads to double compilation of the lib when building all the components. So I tend to put it in a flag
2017-07-29 15:35:11	alanz	because potentially each component can have different flags to
2017-07-29 15:35:25	arrowsvc	wz1000: I planned to do pull request after I finish build command. But it can be merged right now, I guess.
2017-07-29 15:35:39	alanz	So in the worst case you could be compiling the same source for two components, but with some flag set differently
2017-07-29 15:35:42	wz1000	So I need a way to list all target files in a given component.
2017-07-29 15:36:07	alanz	ghc-mod does provide that. GmModuleGraph
2017-07-29 15:36:14	alanz	See how it is used in HaRe
2017-07-29 16:31:17	wz1000	alanz: should document highlight highlight the entire type/constructor defn, or just the name? Say data Example = E {something,\n somethingElse}, should "Example" be highlighted or the entire "data Example = ..."?
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2017-07-29 17:16:10	arrowsvc	Sigh, great. stack doesn't understand paths starting with "C:" on Windows.
2017-07-29 17:20:11	wz1000	ah, really? Doesn't that mean its completely broken on windows?
2017-07-29 17:21:23	arrowsvc	I guess, nobody passes absolute paths to it.
2017-07-29 17:25:19	arrowsvc	Maybe I also should compute relative path based on -r argument?
2017-07-29 17:27:47	arrowsvc	buildDirectory command accepts a directory parameter, from which all the components should be build. For hie, for example, passing "." would build everything, and passing "hie-base" would build only it. It also works with absolute paths, so "/home/arr/hie/hie-base" also does the thing.
2017-07-29 17:28:36	arrowsvc	But on windows absolute paths contain "C:" at the start and stack doesn't like it. What's better to do, what do you think?
2017-07-29 17:29:09	wz1000	can't you call relatavize? Or cwd to the path and use "."?
2017-07-29 17:29:12	arrowsvc	Poke stack or compute relative path, since building something out of cwd doesn't make any sense anyway?
2017-07-29 17:29:32	arrowsvc	Relativize on IDE side, or HIE side?
2017-07-29 17:29:44	wz1000	HIE.
2017-07-29 17:30:28	wz1000	Because the hie cwd may be different from the IDE's
2017-07-29 17:49:06	arrowsvc	Yep, I thought exactly that.
2017-07-29 18:10:38	hexagoxel	doesn't mingw have /c/ instead of C:\ or was that msys only?
2017-07-29 18:14:36	arrowsvc	MSYS, I guess. Haven't seen that with MinGW.
2017-07-29 18:26:46	alanz	wz1000: re data definition highlighting: I suspect a smaller region rather than a larger one, some data definitions can be *huge* (e.g. the ones in GHC hsSyn)
2017-07-29 18:27:29	alanz	What would be really interesting would be to highlight the source of an individual constructor if you are hovering over it. Especially if it is buried in a large data definition
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2017-07-29 22:38:04	wz1000	alanz: it does highlight the definition of constructors
2017-07-29 22:38:35	alanz	ok, then it sounds good. I guess I should use it more :)
2017-07-29 22:39:14	alanz	But currently hacking on happy, which is lhs and with a complex build environment, including makefiles etc
2017-07-29 22:40:06	wz1000	it would be nice if we got it to build on arbitary projects by passing it the ghc options
2017-07-29 22:40:20	wz1000	alanz: does happy work with ghci?
2017-07-29 22:40:56	alanz	I have not tried. I am working on happy in one repo, and a user of it in another. So it is a bit complex
2017-07-29 22:41:30	alanz	But I am frustrated that straight emacs mode doesnt know how to go to a tag in a lhs file.
2017-07-29 22:41:50	alanz	anyway, it is an unusual setup, I will just soldier on for now
2017-07-29 22:42:12	wz1000	it would be nice if we could get use with-ghc or something to make a hieproject file or something, and get the dynflags to call ghc with from there
2017-07-29 22:43:38	alanz	my understanding of the world is that this is what ghc-mod does
2017-07-29 22:43:57	wz1000	but it uses cabal-helper, no?
2017-07-29 22:43:58	alanz	and with-ghc is the GhcMonad session?
2017-07-29 22:44:02	wz1000	http://blog.ezyang.com/2017/02/how-to-integrate-ghc-api-programs-with-cabal/
2017-07-29 22:44:37	wz1000	we use --with-ghc and dump the options to a file, which hie recognises on startup and uses
2017-07-29 22:45:16	alanz	wz1000: I saw that article, but I am not sure how relevant it is to our situation, tbh
2017-07-29 22:45:35	alanz	in other words, what are you not currently able to do, that you could by using that?
2017-07-29 22:46:44	wz1000	we could get new-build compatibility
2017-07-29 22:47:14	alanz	Rather spend the time putting new build into ghc-mod
2017-07-29 22:47:21	wz1000	try stack/cagal repl --with-ghc echo
2017-07-29 22:47:53	wz1000	*cabal
2017-07-29 22:48:13	alanz	and what does that mean?
2017-07-29 22:48:38	wz1000	it dumps all the options it uses to call ghc
2017-07-29 22:48:50	alanz	because once you get this stuff out there, you start hitting every different config under the sun. ghc-mod exists to shield us from that
2017-07-29 22:49:25	alanz	So you want those options to be able to call new-build? new-configure?
2017-07-29 22:49:48	wz1000	if you do cabal new-repl --with-ghc echo
2017-07-29 22:50:05	wz1000	we get the right options we need to pass into ghc
2017-07-29 22:50:25	alanz	to pass into ghc in order to .... ?
2017-07-29 22:50:31	wz1000	load the project
2017-07-29 22:50:55	alanz	is this still chasing the get all info stuff?
2017-07-29 22:51:13	wz1000	?
2017-07-29 22:51:27	alanz	ask ghc-mod for the module graph per component, and load all those targets
2017-07-29 22:51:44	alanz	and pick up the info as they load
2017-07-29 22:51:56	wz1000	no, this is to get new-build compatibility
2017-07-29 22:52:15	wz1000	and compatibility with any project that ghci works with
2017-07-29 22:52:55	alanz	ok, so can I paraphrase what you are saying "ditch ghc-mod, and roll our own"
2017-07-29 22:52:58	alanz	Is this correct?
2017-07-29 22:54:04	 *	alanz trying to understand what we are aiming at here
2017-07-29 22:56:16	wz1000	not exactly. I'm just thinking out loud about ways to get new-build compatibility
2017-07-29 23:01:44	alanz	ok
2017-07-29 23:02:48	alanz	I know there has been some discussion between dxld and the cabal guys about this
2017-07-29 23:43:44	wz1000	alanz: can I use https://hackage.haskell.org/package/SegmentTree-0.3 as a dependency?
2017-07-29 23:43:56	wz1000	It was last updated in 2012
2017-07-29 23:44:12	wz1000	but it seems like the sort of thing that doesn't need much maintainence
2017-07-29 23:44:57	alanz	what do you want to use it for?
2017-07-29 23:46:16	alanz	I agree on stability btw, and have no intrinsic problem with it
2017-07-29 23:46:30	wz1000	getting all the srcspans that include a certain point
2017-07-29 23:46:39	alanz	ok.
2017-07-29 23:47:01	alanz	The hie dependency footprint is already so big, adding something more should be fine
2017-07-29 23:47:25	alanz	I see it fell out of stackage at 0.3?
2017-07-29 23:47:55	alanz	there are lots of fingertree type implementations out there btw
2017-07-29 23:48:21	wz1000	no, it is in the latest nightly. 0.3 is the latest version
2017-07-29 23:48:55	alanz	ok.
2017-07-29 23:48:59	wz1000	well, it is in the 2017-07-25 nightly
2017-07-29 23:49:00	alanz	FYI, https://hackage.haskell.org/package/fingertree
2017-07-29 23:49:16	alanz	including https://hackage.haskell.org/package/fingertree-0.1.1.0/docs/Data-IntervalMap-FingerTree.html
2017-07-29 23:49:37	wz1000	yeah, that looks like what I need.
2017-07-29 23:49:51	alanz	it is more of the "official" version
2017-07-29 23:50:15	wz1000	yeah. I searched for "Haskell segment tree" and that was the only thing that came up
2017-07-29 23:51:07	alanz	ok
2017-07-29 23:51:28	wz1000	you might also want to consider using something like that in hare to make loc2RdrName faster
2017-07-29 23:51:43	alanz	good idea
2017-07-29 23:52:01	wz1000	because I think it currently searches through all the srcspans in the module
2017-07-29 23:52:22	alanz	There is not much optimisation in HaRe, it was a) a port of existing and b) a learn haskell experience for me
2017-07-29 23:52:53	alanz	and the focus was more on getting it to work.
2017-07-29 23:53:06	alanz	Which pushed me out into ghc-exactprint and ghc
2017-07-29 23:53:15	alanz	and hie
2017-07-29 23:54:45	wz1000	ok, I will try to write an equivalent in hie - which we could then move into HaRe
2017-07-29 23:55:35	alanz	sounds good.
2017-07-29 23:55:54	alanz	Or go into the ever-growing tooling/caching layer
2017-07-29 23:56:13	alanz	So that we can share the joy among all the tools
2017-07-30 00:19:27	wz1000	you got into haskell through HaRe?
2017-07-30 00:23:55	alanz	no, via Project Euler stuff, as a learning experience
2017-07-30 00:24:15	alanz	But I learned the details of writing big stuff through HaRe
2017-07-30 00:24:38	alanz	one of those "how hard could this be" things :)
2017-07-30 00:26:07	alanz	And I started learning haskell as an "impractical" language because I was no longer allowed to code at work
2017-07-30 00:26:25	alanz	Because I never finished anything, and held the team back
2017-07-30 00:26:31	alanz	but had a need to code
2017-07-30 00:30:17	wz1000	so you work on ghc etc. in your spare time?
2017-07-30 00:35:16	alanz	yes. Sort of.
2017-07-30 00:35:30	alanz	Doing mainly management stuff, I get to work on it during the day too, sometimes
2017-07-30 00:35:41	alanz	well, a lot :)
2017-07-30 00:37:01	wz1000	ok, wow, I looked at the network for HaRe and it is mess. duplicate commits everywhere
2017-07-30 00:37:05	wz1000	https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/network
2017-07-30 00:37:21	alanz	yes, I did a cleanup of old stuff, and screwed it up
2017-07-30 00:37:42	alanz	But the RefactoringTools and mine, and sadams are all in line
2017-07-30 00:38:08	alanz	well, for the branches that matter
2017-07-30 00:39:17	alanz	And the mapped-files branch looks like a piece of lace from all the back and forth merges/commits between us
2017-07-30 00:39:25	alanz	Without a clear dev line to it
2017-07-30 00:40:36	alanz	and as time passes it will mercifully fade into the distance :)
2017-07-30 00:41:29	wz1000	what is the plan to get that merged into master? Because it contains some major changes.
2017-07-30 00:41:52	wz1000	after the caching layer?
2017-07-30 00:42:20	alanz	I agree. But sadams is currently finalising his PhD thesis based on it, I will rather wait for him to get done before bringing in big changes
2017-07-30 00:42:26	alanz	He said around 2 months
2017-07-30 00:43:13	alanz	Maybe we should creat a development branch on RefactroringTools/HaRe, and work against that as the point of record
2017-07-30 00:43:26	alanz	in the interim
2017-07-30 00:44:50	 *	alanz will do that tomorrow, about to step away for the night
2017-07-30 00:45:08	wz1000	ok, good night
2017-07-30 00:46:37	alanz	will look in from time to time, just focusing on family stuff for a bit
2017-07-30 00:48:21	wz1000	even I'm about to go to bed
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2017-07-30 02:49:59	wz1000	haskell-lsp got linked here: https://yi-editor.github.io/posts/2017-07-29-modularization/
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2017-07-30 16:13:27	arrowsvc	Is it me, or hackage serves wrong package for https://hackage.haskell.org/package/hackage-security ?
2017-07-30 16:13:53	arrowsvc	On package's page it says directory < 1.4, but .cabal from the downloaded archive has directory < 1.3.
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2017-07-30 16:41:46	alanz	arrowsvc: It might be a hackage revision.
2017-07-30 16:42:10	alanz	I am not sure how those come through, probably do not change the original cabal file
2017-07-30 16:42:40	alanz	See https://hackage.haskell.org/package/hackage-security-0.5.2.2/revisions/
2017-07-30 16:47:32	arrowsvc	I saw that.
2017-07-30 16:47:44	arrowsvc	But I need an archive.
2017-07-30 16:48:15	alanz	No idea how to do that. 
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2017-07-30 18:50:03	dxld	`cabal get` unpacks the archive correctly
2017-07-30 18:50:09	dxld	arrowsvc: ^
2017-07-30 18:50:37	dxld	you have to copy the latest .cabal file over the one in the archive basically
2017-07-30 18:52:43	alanz	so I guess 'cabal unpack' would work too
2017-07-30 19:47:55	dxld	alanz: I think those are synonyms
2017-07-30 20:00:45	alanz	ok, I thought get brought down the tarball, unpack did that and unpacked it too. Anyway.
2017-07-30 20:25:20	arrowsvc	https://github.com/haskell/hackage-security/issues/190
2017-07-30 20:25:31	arrowsvc	I say, this is absurd.
2017-07-30 20:26:10	arrowsvc	Well, if you changed the package and don't want to reupload it, then do full point release.
2017-07-30 20:26:29	arrowsvc	No, lets serve old tar.gz and new .cabal separately.
2017-07-30 20:26:57	alanz	This is the problem with revisions. But dxld seems to think the revised cabal file is provided via "cabal get". I am not sure about that
2017-07-30 20:27:19	alanz	There is a cache of cabal files in ~/.cabal somewhere, which the solver uses
2017-07-30 20:32:23	arrowsvc	I can't use cabal unpack/get in my case.
2017-07-30 20:36:06	alanz	ok. Then you should check how the hackage API works, to see if you can download the tip revision cabal file somehow. or ask on #hackage
2017-07-30 22:23:54	wz1000	my PR to hoogle was finally accepted
2017-07-30 22:24:28	wz1000	https://github.com/ndmitchell/hoogle/pull/216
2017-07-30 22:25:34	alanz	nice
2017-07-30 22:27:43	wz1000	do we build with the newer nightlies?
2017-07-30 22:29:18	wz1000	also, what should be our policy on supporting different ghcs? every ghc after 8.0.2, or the last n ghc releases?
2017-07-30 22:29:28	wz1000	for some n
2017-07-30 22:32:45	alanz	Well, we have been focusing on getting it to work.
2017-07-30 22:32:58	alanz	The standard n is 3, I understand
2017-07-30 22:33:16	alanz	So 8.0, 8.2, 8.4, and then start letting it drop off
2017-07-30 22:33:59	alanz	And I agree that we should bump the nightly. Something that should happen at least once a month, I think
2017-07-30 22:34:54	wz1000	ok, lets wait for the new hoogle release to show up
2017-07-30 22:35:19	alanz	ok
2017-07-30 22:35:45	alanz	During dev we should track the stackage nightly. So go to 8.2 when that does
2017-07-30 22:36:10	alanz	or after some stabilisation delay
2017-07-30 22:36:50	wz1000	btw, I think switching to the new hoogle would mean the old dbs won't work any more
2017-07-30 22:37:08	wz1000	so they would have to be regenerated.
2017-07-30 22:37:20	alanz	ok.
2017-07-30 22:37:40	wz1000	We should probably add some hoogle version warnings
2017-07-30 22:38:01	alanz	Does the db version number indicate the version the format was introduced, or just the current version. I wonder.
2017-07-30 22:38:36	wz1000	I think the current version
2017-07-30 22:39:08	wz1000	if we detect an older hoogle db, we should warn users
2017-07-30 22:39:21	alanz	ok
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2017-07-31 18:20:45	wz1000	alanz: take a look at my latest commit - I started using fingertrees and improved the record wildcards/pun handling
2017-07-31 18:21:03	alanz	ok, will do
2017-07-31 18:25:09	wz1000	try hovering on a wildcard with lots of fields
2017-07-31 18:25:45	wz1000	like HsModule {..} on line 240 of ghcmod/HomeModuleGraph.hs
2017-07-31 18:31:38	alanz	just been looking at the code first. Looks impressive.
2017-07-31 18:32:09	alanz	I presume "loadEntireProject" exists purely for side-effects, as it returns an empty value
2017-07-31 18:32:20	alanz	i.e get the locations etc
2017-07-31 18:34:07	alanz	I just hovered on what you suggested. Very neat
2017-07-31 18:34:46	alanz	And we get two-way highlighting of hsmodimports references.
2017-07-31 18:35:08	alanz	This thing is getting really good. Well done
2017-07-31 18:35:42	wz1000	loadEntireProject is a leftover from some experimentation
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2017-07-31 18:36:04	alanz	ok, no problem.
2017-07-31 18:36:33	alanz	btw, did you see I was pointing the Yi guys toward LSP
2017-07-31 18:36:46	wz1000	no
2017-07-31 18:37:21	alanz	https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/6qdcmz/modularization_yi_blog/dkx7cam/
2017-07-31 18:37:34	alanz	and noughtmare has now starred haskell-lsp
2017-07-31 18:37:38	alanz	:)
2017-07-31 18:38:28	alanz	And I am inching forward on my incremental parser. Two more features to add, then time to move it into the real world
2017-07-31 18:38:38	wz1000	nice
2017-07-31 18:39:54	alanz	What is your focus for the next while, btw?
2017-07-31 18:40:42	wz1000	I'm not sure. references? 
2017-07-31 18:41:22	--	Notice(GitHub164): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #269: Add -Wredundant-constraints (master...master) https://git.io/v78HU
2017-07-31 18:41:50	alanz	I was wondering whether you should try to make some quick fixes based on standard diagnostics, somewhat like intero does
2017-07-31 18:42:22	wz1000	I'm not sure how to go about that - parsing the ghc error messages seems like a flaky approach
2017-07-31 18:43:11	wz1000	does intero do it in the elisp?
2017-07-31 18:44:01	wz1000	because I don't recall seeing anything like that in the haskell source
2017-07-31 18:44:05	alanz	E.g https://github.com/commercialhaskell/intero/blob/master/elisp/intero.el#L2645
2017-07-31 18:44:25	alanz	it is done by parsing the ghc error messages
2017-07-31 18:44:50	alanz	They are pretty much fixed for a given compiler version, and it is only a simple subset that need processing.
2017-07-31 18:45:13	alanz	Stuff like adding a missing import, or adding a missing pragma. Where it is obvious.
2017-07-31 18:45:19	wz1000	ok.
2017-07-31 18:46:01	wz1000	I would also like so support inserting the type of a defn
2017-07-31 18:46:04	wz1000	*to
2017-07-31 18:46:29	alanz	yes, which can be pulled out of ghc-mod
2017-07-31 18:46:57	alanz	But essentially we can send them back as diagnostics/quickfixes
2017-07-31 18:47:11	alanz	and it can make a huge difference to the day to day experience
2017-07-31 18:47:26	alanz	And, better understand how that mechanism works
2017-07-31 18:48:46	alanz	And for bonus points expose some of the HaRe commands, via the same mechanism
2017-07-31 18:49:02	wz1000	I think type insertion would be better off living in HaRe
2017-07-31 18:49:07	alanz	e.g. demote, lift, etc
2017-07-31 18:49:19	wz1000	then we can integrate it into the caching layer
2017-07-31 18:49:23	alanz	ok
2017-07-31 18:49:40	alanz	there are two parts, identifying the type, and putting it in
2017-07-31 18:50:10	alanz	we already have the type (presented in the hover), it is just the mechanics of inserting it
2017-07-31 18:50:29	alanz	Which probably does not need the full HaRe machinery.
2017-07-31 18:50:39	alanz	But it should be sent as a workspaceEdit
2017-07-31 18:51:00	wz1000	actually I think a lot of the stuff in ghcmod/exe should live in HaRe
2017-07-31 18:51:30	alanz	or, the utility layer from HaRe should move down to just above the caching layer
2017-07-31 18:52:44	alanz	have you seen how haskell-tools is broken down into modules?
2017-07-31 18:52:51	wz1000	yes
2017-07-31 18:54:06	wz1000	do you think those are worth integrating into hie, or does hare already do most of that stuff?
2017-07-31 18:54:14	alanz	I have figured various of the HaRe utility things could be published separately too
2017-07-31 18:54:28	alanz	to be honest I do not know.
2017-07-31 18:54:51	alanz	It is under active development, and seems to do a lot of stuff. But I have never looked in detail.
2017-07-31 18:55:16	alanz	I do know that the key enable is to convert the GHC AST into an internal one, which gets manipulated.
2017-07-31 18:55:28	alanz	s/enable/enabler/
2017-07-31 18:55:41	wz1000	they have their own internal ast?
2017-07-31 18:55:54	alanz	For me it comes back to the layering thing, and working out what should go where
2017-07-31 18:55:59	alanz	yes
2017-07-31 18:58:01	wz1000	ghc-exactprint reuses the ghc ast, right?
2017-07-31 18:58:11	alanz	yes
2017-07-31 18:58:27	alanz	and my preference it to be firmly in the GHC ecosystem
2017-07-31 18:58:35	wz1000	that seems like the best approach to me.
2017-07-31 18:58:37	alanz	Because we can CHANGE it to our needs, over time
2017-07-31 18:58:39	alanz	agree
2017-07-31 18:59:01	wz1000	and haskell-tools already depends on ghc
2017-07-31 18:59:07	alanz	It has already improved dramatically for tool writers, based on all the cleanups and stuff I have done
2017-07-31 18:59:11	alanz	yes
2017-07-31 18:59:25	wz1000	I can understand maintaining a different AST if you want to avoid the ghc dependency
2017-07-31 19:00:06	alanz	I think it is specially set up to allow various recursion schemes, and annotations
2017-07-31 19:00:26	alanz	but i have not looked into it more deeply
2017-07-31 19:01:58	wz1000	can you think of a way to tell if the cursor is in a type signature in a textual manner - so that we can use it even when a module doesn't compile
2017-07-31 19:02:54	wz1000	looking for a preceeding '::' in the same line could mostly work
2017-07-31 19:03:09	wz1000	but breaks if you split up your type over multiple lines
2017-07-31 19:06:20	alanz	not really.  Only real option is to take a chunk around it and feed it into the pure parser, as parseDecl, or some such
2017-07-31 19:06:36	alanz	But working with non-compiling code is always a massive problem
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2017-07-31 22:52:03	wz1000	I don't even think a pure parser would work for this case - we want to supply completion results as someone is typing - so we need it to work even in the presence of unbalanced parens for example
2017-07-31 22:52:41	wz1000	I think looking for a :: in the same line is the best solution right now.
2017-07-31 22:52:51	wz1000	I wanted to make completion namespace aware
2017-07-31 22:58:18	wz1000	alanz: btw, I initially tried using just the typechecked source to generate the fingertree - for some reason, I only got declarations in the tree - any symbols in expressions wouldn't show up
2017-07-31 22:58:30	wz1000	any idea why this could be?
2017-07-31 22:59:07	wz1000	Strangely, ($) was the only thing that was showing up in exprs
2017-07-31 23:55:53	alanz	wz1000: The typecheckedsource only has the final types in it, not the original ones.
2017-07-31 23:56:19	alanz	which is why it is not all that useful for that kind of thing
2017-07-31 23:57:26	wz1000	alanz: what do you mean by final types?
2017-07-31 23:58:00	alanz	A lot of the constraints etc are gone. 
2017-07-31 23:58:22	alanz	So the match back to the original parsedsource is not that exact
2017-07-31 23:58:45	wz1000	type constraints?
2017-07-31 23:59:00	wz1000	How would that effect the matching?
2017-07-31 23:59:03	alanz	I forget the details, but I know that with each pass it gets further away from the original source. As expected, I guess
2017-07-31 23:59:43	wz1000	what I tried to do was getting the Ids out instead of Names
2017-07-31 23:59:55	alanz	maybe dump the different ASTs to see what the difference are
2017-08-01 00:00:12	wz1000	so running nameSybQuery with checker :: Located Id -> something instead of Located Name -> something
2017-08-01 00:00:14	alanz	so that you could get the types from them?
2017-08-01 00:00:19	wz1000	yes
2017-08-01 00:00:51	alanz	ok. I know I tried using the typecheckedsource in HaRe a long time ago, but gave up, because too much original info was missing
2017-08-01 00:01:00	alanz	But I forget what exactly
2017-08-01 00:01:16	alanz	Things like "forall ...", iirc
2017-08-01 00:01:28	wz1000	but we don't really need that stuff here
2017-08-01 00:01:58	alanz	yes. Well, I last looked a long time ago, so I am a bit fuzzy
2017-08-01 00:02:53	alanz	The typechecked source gets desugared into core, I think. And then optimised. And then the rest
2017-08-01 00:03:15	alanz	anyway, need to do something else for a bit now. Monday nights are a bit hectic
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2017-08-01 12:17:00	alanz	wz1000: did you see https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/issues/43
2017-08-01 12:17:27	alanz	That has all the hallmarks of one of my typical finger-troubles
2017-08-01 12:30:32	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/commit/30dbdb95d45786b4673dfdf98c914276cd3ce406
2017-08-01 12:32:02	alanz	ah
2017-08-01 12:32:07	alanz	interesting :)
2017-08-01 12:32:29	alanz	Its not just me
2017-08-01 12:37:26	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/44
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2017-08-01 12:42:02	alanz	thanks
2017-08-01 12:55:17	alanz	wz1000: did you see that stackage nightly is now GHC 8.2.1
2017-08-01 12:55:33	alanz	we should probably set our dev one to the last 8.0 version for now
2017-08-01 12:55:56	alanz	And then eventually create a stack-8.0.2.yaml with tha
2017-08-01 12:57:37	wz1000	yes - it has the new hoogle too
2017-08-01 12:58:23	alanz	did the new hoogle make the last 8.0.2 snapshot?
2017-08-01 12:58:26	wz1000	no
2017-08-01 12:58:31	alanz	damn
2017-08-01 12:58:48	wz1000	we should probably update the apply refact dep too
2017-08-01 12:59:01	wz1000	that hasn't been on stackage since last year
2017-08-01 12:59:19	alanz	yes
2017-08-01 12:59:32	alanz	except,  ...
2017-08-01 12:59:37	wz1000	we are on 0.3.1, hackage has 0.4.1
2017-08-01 13:00:04	alanz	See https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/package/apply-refact
2017-08-01 13:00:22	alanz	mpickering has this thing where a given version supports a single compiler only
2017-08-01 13:00:41	alanz	so we need to manage the version per compiler
2017-08-01 13:02:07	wz1000	ok
2017-08-01 13:03:21	wz1000	I would like to do a major clean up - strip out the unused deps, reimplemented functions etc.
2017-08-01 13:03:44	wz1000	and of course - redo the old plugin system
2017-08-01 13:04:21	wz1000	Because it is too complicated - we are only using it for executeCommand now
2017-08-01 13:06:11	alanz	ok
2017-08-01 13:06:25	alanz	We are basically fully focused on LSP now, so that makes sense
2017-08-01 13:07:08	alanz	perhaps merge the stuff arrowsvc has done so far first, so we maintain that functionality
2017-08-01 13:07:21	wz1000	yeah
2017-08-01 13:07:22	alanz	Having an ability to build a project will be important in time
2017-08-01 13:07:40	wz1000	but isn't he using the json/http transport?
2017-08-01 13:08:13	alanz	I am not sure, tbh
2017-08-01 13:08:49	alanz	my point being that a major refactor should not disable his work, or we must persuade him to use custom lsp commands
2017-08-01 13:09:24	alanz	but it is active dev, I do not want us to break it, it needs to come along for the ride
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2017-08-01 18:50:29	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/4f41c236967f775bdf175f32f7210bcd4445f001
2017-08-01 18:50:52	wz1000	I removed the old transports, but it shouldn't be too difficult to add them back in
2017-08-01 18:52:13	wz1000	this is the core of the new plugin/execute command system: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/4f41c236967f775bdf175f32f7210bcd4445f001#diff-36dba2d3fdbd2c0c8475df1aa488c404R141
2017-08-01 18:55:15	wz1000	take a look at the diff for the example plugins: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/4f41c236967f775bdf175f32f7210bcd4445f001#diff-7b9fbf2e689263b3e632f5fbe4393f07L21
2017-08-01 18:56:01	wz1000	those should tell you all you need to know about the new additins
2017-08-01 18:56:10	wz1000	the rest are just deletions 
2017-08-01 18:56:21	alanz	I think we should tag the source before this lands, as a marker
2017-08-01 18:56:21	wz1000	or changes to match the new system
2017-08-01 18:56:47	alanz	And I was just thinking, it is a lot easier to slash code if you did not sweat blood writing it :)
2017-08-01 18:57:05	alanz	But simpler, more focused is better
2017-08-01 18:57:35	wz1000	We retain most of the earlier functionality though
2017-08-01 18:57:43	alanz	and I just scanned it, it looks fine
2017-08-01 18:57:54	wz1000	the only thing missing at this stage is automatic schema generation for the arguments
2017-08-01 18:58:02	wz1000	which shouldn't be too difficult to add
2017-08-01 18:58:27	alanz	ok. 
2017-08-01 18:58:36	alanz	We can add it again when there is a need
2017-08-01 18:58:48	alanz	There was a lot of exploration initially
2017-08-01 18:59:17	alanz	It helps a lot to have a specific target technology and implementation of it. Can focus on getting a usable result
2017-08-01 19:01:40	wz1000	all we really need to do for schemas is add HasSchema a, HasSchema b constraints here: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/4f41c236967f775bdf175f32f7210bcd4445f001#diff-36dba2d3fdbd2c0c8475df1aa488c404R112
2017-08-01 19:01:46	alanz	And I see noughtmare is starting to use haskell-lsp, judging from the bug reports coming in
2017-08-01 19:02:13	alanz	yes
2017-08-01 19:02:28	wz1000	where the HasSchema constraint comes from something like https://hackage.haskell.org/package/jsonschema-gen
2017-08-01 19:02:38	alanz	But the schema only makes sense if we want to expose the http endpoint, via servant
2017-08-01 19:02:54	alanz	which is not on our current roadmap
2017-08-01 19:03:07	alanz	What is on the roadmap is building.
2017-08-01 19:03:10	wz1000	I mean, it wont be too diffcult to do that
2017-08-01 19:03:23	wz1000	(add an http endpoint)
2017-08-01 19:03:31	alanz	ok
2017-08-01 19:03:40	wz1000	look at the arguments of runPluginCommand
2017-08-01 19:03:58	alanz	But I am more concerned with merging arrowsvc branch into your cleanup branch and having it still work
2017-08-01 19:03:58	wz1000	all we need to do is grab those and pass them to that
2017-08-01 19:04:02	alanz	ok
2017-08-01 19:04:58	alanz	once there is a plugin system, adapting stuff to use it is always a lot easier.
2017-08-01 19:04:58	alanz	On both sides, plugging into it and using the plugged in stuff
2017-08-01 19:05:09	wz1000	porting the stuff already in hie wasn't difficult
2017-08-01 19:05:24	wz1000	look at the diffs for any of the plugins
2017-08-01 19:06:02	wz1000	we should be able to do the same for arrowsvc's stuff
2017-08-01 19:06:37	wz1000	In fact, I made a monsterous regex that did most of the heavy lifting for me
2017-08-01 19:08:19	alanz	ok, nice
2017-08-01 19:08:42	alanz	I think the main point is to actually do that, as a courtesy. Perhaps.
2017-08-01 19:10:23	 *	alanz now firing up the cleanup branch hie exe to inspect the cleanup branch.
2017-08-01 19:11:05	alanz	and I have no hoogle db. How do I build it for stack again?
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2017-08-01 19:11:43	wz1000	stack hoogle
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2017-08-01 19:11:58	wz1000	I updated the hoogle version in stack.yaml
2017-08-01 19:12:24	wz1000	So stack hoogle might not work if stack uses the old version
2017-08-01 19:13:00	alanz	ok
2017-08-01 19:13:07	wz1000	If that happens then try running "hoogle generate" with hoogle 5.0.13
2017-08-01 19:13:17	alanz	that is the issue. Because i used to have a db
2017-08-01 19:13:54	wz1000	Your old db will not work - you will have to regenerate it
2017-08-01 19:14:05	alanz	btw, does the new system cope with optional parameters?
2017-08-01 19:14:40	alanz	hoogle-index
2017-08-01 19:14:41	alanz	    Synopsis: Easily generate Hoogle indices for installed packages
2017-08-01 19:15:03	alanz	when I did "cabal list hoogle", that ^^ came up
2017-08-01 19:15:14	wz1000	you are free to make any FromJSON instance for the arguments
2017-08-01 19:16:13	wz1000	so you can write the instance in a way that respects optinal parameters
2017-08-01 19:16:54	alanz	yes, I thought that would be the case. So you end up with a Maybe, and off you go
2017-08-01 19:18:21	wz1000	I've seen hoogle-index - it hasn't been updated for more than a year and is written for hoogle-4.*
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2017-08-01 19:22:43	alanz	ok
2017-08-01 19:24:57	alanz	wz1000: The test in MainHie for optLsp is a bit strange. We should maybe print something out in the other leg, using if instead of when.
2017-08-01 19:25:13	alanz	Otherwise hie will just terminate silently
2017-08-01 19:25:27	wz1000	ok
2017-08-01 19:26:25	alanz	and we do not have project-wide symbols atm? "go to defintion" of "runIdeM" in MainHie says no target found
2017-08-01 19:26:40	alanz	This is as I understand things to be, just checking
2017-08-01 19:27:32	wz1000	alanz: MainHie doesn't work because of the -Werror in the .cabal file
2017-08-01 19:27:42	alanz	ok
2017-08-01 19:27:44	wz1000	comment that out and it should work
2017-08-01 19:28:11	alanz	We should adjust the dynflags to remove that, when loading the file for diagnostics
2017-08-01 19:28:30	alanz	as we do to enable rawtokenstream or whatever
2017-08-01 19:31:34	wz1000	but you should have got an error showMessage when you opened MainHie
2017-08-01 19:34:55	alanz	it mostly works for mainhie, but does not allow go to defn. I think.
2017-08-01 19:35:46	wz1000	hover works?
2017-08-01 19:35:54	wz1000	strange - it doesn't work for me
2017-08-01 19:37:00	wz1000	it does work after setting pedantic to false in stack.yaml
2017-08-01 19:37:03	alanz	ok, got the error while processing diags
2017-08-01 19:37:22	alanz	I just restarted, things were flaky when I started before as hoogle had maxed out my cpus
2017-08-01 19:37:42	alanz	So I get what you get
2017-08-01 19:38:35	wz1000	did you run stack hoogle?
2017-08-01 19:38:42	alanz	not yet
2017-08-01 19:38:56	wz1000	I'm running cabal update && cabal install hoogle && hoogle generate
2017-08-01 19:39:03	alanz	first updated the main hoogle db
2017-08-01 19:39:18	alanz	That is what I did, at my home dir
2017-08-01 19:39:32	alanz	now doing stack hoogle in the project dir
2017-08-01 19:39:37	wz1000	dir shouldn't matter for that command
2017-08-01 19:39:57	alanz	"stack hoogle" does care about dir
2017-08-01 19:40:03	wz1000	yes
2017-08-01 19:40:05	alanz	but not for the first one, agree
2017-08-01 19:40:12	alanz	it is now rebuilding my world
2017-08-01 19:40:42	wz1000	cabal install hoogle keeps failing with "openFile: does not exist ..."
2017-08-01 19:40:59	wz1000	it builds a few packages then fails again while building a different one
2017-08-01 19:41:06	alanz	ok, worked from me. using cabal-install 1.24.0.2
2017-08-01 19:41:11	alanz	and ghc 8.0.2
2017-08-01 19:41:24	wz1000	it builds some, then fails
2017-08-01 19:41:35	wz1000	the next time I run it, it gets a bit further along
2017-08-01 19:41:37	alanz	nope, ran clean all the way through for me
2017-08-01 19:41:59	alanz	but I need to go now, will stop the stack one, and restart later
2017-08-01 19:42:40	wz1000	ok, talk to you later
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2017-08-01 20:14:58	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/48
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2017-08-01 23:22:05	wz1000	alanz: ghc-mod, ghc-dump-tree and brittany require base < 4.10
2017-08-01 23:32:11	alanz	well, make clones and bump it, lets see what happens
2017-08-01 23:32:59	alanz	And iirc ghc-mod won't build. But I did have a branch that built, for when I did my HaRe port. Forget what I did though
2017-08-01 23:33:46	alanz	But I think something has to happen in cabal-helper too. A type has changed
2017-08-01 23:51:19	Noughtmare	I have enabled CircleCI for my fork and the tests succeeded
2017-08-01 23:53:31	alanz	great
2017-08-01 23:53:45	alanz	The testsuite is actually pretty inadequate
2017-08-01 23:54:12	alanz	The server side has been pretty much tested through actual usage only
2017-08-01 23:54:25	alanz	Noughtmare: are you working in Yi for this?
2017-08-01 23:56:32	Noughtmare	I plan to add this to Yi, yes.
2017-08-01 23:57:43	alanz	awesome
2017-08-02 00:02:14	alanz	Noughtmare: in order to understand the flow, it is probably best to run the vscode version, and look at the generated log files to see how it works
2017-08-02 00:07:02	Noughtmare	alanz: Thanks for the tip, reading the specification doesn't quite convey the flow.  
2017-08-02 00:08:10	alanz	no, and that was the hardest part initially. You also get an idea of what kind of UI to present
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2017-08-02 16:12:07	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/86049bfc341e2db60720852c563d152708ba28d4
2017-08-02 16:13:53	wz1000	We are now testing the commands I rewrote(type at, getting diagnostics etc.)
2017-08-02 16:14:08	wz1000	I will also write tests for the new commands
2017-08-02 16:19:22	--	Notice(GitHub99): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #272: Using fingertree to find all symbols at point. (master...master) https://git.io/v7uGG
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2017-08-02 16:51:34	alanz	wz1000: I will only be able to look later today, things are insane for me
2017-08-02 17:05:25	wz1000	no problem - I just updated the tests
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2017-08-02 19:25:42	Naughtmare[m]	In what situation is the id property of a ResponseMessage null?
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2017-08-02 19:30:15	Naughtmare[m]	Ah, I got it: "If there was an error in detecting the id in the Request object (e.g. Parse error/Invalid Request), it MUST be Null."
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2017-08-02 21:12:52	alanz	Naughtmare[m]: now I learned something too
2017-08-02 21:20:20	--	Notice(GitHub38): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/v7ubj
2017-08-02 21:20:20	--	Notice(GitHub38): haskell-ide-engine/master c22fe21 Zubin Duggal: improve doc highlight
2017-08-02 21:20:20	--	Notice(GitHub38): haskell-ide-engine/master 6807dc7 Zubin Duggal: improve doc highlight
2017-08-02 21:20:20	--	Notice(GitHub38): haskell-ide-engine/master c1dcff6 Zubin Duggal: Using finger trees to find symbols at point, improvements to hover request and document highlight
2017-08-02 21:20:21	--	Notice(GitHub33): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #272: Using fingertree to find all symbols at point. (master...master) https://git.io/v7uGG
2017-08-02 22:30:45	Naughtmare[m]	I have pushed my test client to https://github.com/noughtmare/haskell-lsp-client
2017-08-02 22:43:44	wz1000	Naughtmare[m]: for the impredicative polymorphism in MVar stuff, it works reasonably well if you wrap it up in a newtype/data
2017-08-02 22:44:12	Naughtmare[m]	I will try that
2017-08-02 22:44:26	wz1000	See https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/blob/cleanup/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/PluginDescriptor.hs#L112
2017-08-02 22:44:45	wz1000	and https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Types.hs#L24
2017-08-02 22:46:33	wz1000	the thing is, all type information(other than what you can get through the constraints) is lost outside the wrapper type, so you must put any thing that needs to be aware of the type in the constructor itself
2017-08-02 22:51:53	wz1000	strictly speaking, these examples are existential quantifications and not impredicativity.
2017-08-02 22:52:11	wz1000	But I think something similar should work for your case
2017-08-02 22:55:30	wz1000	alanz: your pr looks good too. should I merge it?
2017-08-02 23:19:38	alanz	wz1000: please
2017-08-02 23:20:24	alanz	Naughtmare[m]: I wonder if the test/example client shouldn't be in haskell-lsp? In the same way there is a test/example server
2017-08-02 23:20:38	alanz	It does not really matter, just thinking alound
2017-08-02 23:23:14	wz1000	also, we could have Client side alternatives to Core.hs and Control.hs
2017-08-02 23:23:55	--	Notice(GitHub172): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 closed pull request #269: Add -Wredundant-constraints (master...master) https://git.io/v78HU
2017-08-02 23:23:55	--	Notice(GitHub11): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/v7z3D
2017-08-02 23:23:55	--	Notice(GitHub11): haskell-ide-engine/master 77fcaad Alan Zimmerman: Add -Wredundant-constraints
2017-08-02 23:23:55	--	Notice(GitHub11): haskell-ide-engine/master 7fe119e wz1000: Merge pull request #269 from alanz/master...
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2017-08-03 15:29:39	wz1000	Naughtmare[m]: ping
2017-08-03 15:30:07	Naughtmare[m]	yes?
2017-08-03 15:31:18	wz1000	a simple way to tell if a message is a request/notification or a response is to check if it has a "method" field
2017-08-03 15:31:31	wz1000	Naughtmare[m]: like so: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Core.hs#L378
2017-08-03 15:32:11	Naughtmare[m]	Ah, so I could just reorder the cases and then it should work. Thanks
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2017-08-03 18:55:34	Naughtmare[m]	Should the language server still send `client/RegisterCapability` requests if the client has no `dynamicRegistration` capabilities?
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2017-08-03 19:18:39	alanz	Naughtmare[m]: I think so, because it tells the server what capabities it has, and should say that it does not support dynamic registration.
2017-08-03 19:19:22	alanz	Except, looking at the spec, it is optional. So you can ignore it for now
2017-08-03 19:19:36	alanz	Are you working against https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/protocol.md#client_registerCapability?
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2017-08-03 19:30:29	Naughtmare[m]	alanz: I think you have something mixed up. The `client/RegisterCapability` message is sent from the server to the client and tells the client (not the server) what capabilities the server has.
2017-08-03 19:31:23	Naughtmare[m]	> Not all clients need to support dynamic capability registration. A client opts in via the ClientCapabilities.dynamicRegistration property.
2017-08-03 19:31:24	Naughtmare[m]	I don't get this. The `ClientCapabilities.dynamicRegistration`doesn't seem to exist.
2017-08-03 19:32:43	Naughtmare[m]	The `ClientInterface` only has `workspace`, `textDocument` and `experimental` properties.
2017-08-03 19:32:44	alanz	in haskell-lsp? It is in a separate file, I think
2017-08-03 19:33:15	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/TH/ClientCapabilities.hs
2017-08-03 19:33:36	alanz	There was a name clash, iirc
2017-08-03 19:34:03	alanz	(before using the overloadedRecordFields)
2017-08-03 19:43:00	Naughtmare[m]	I mean that `ClientCapabilities` doesn't have a `dynamicRegistration` property. Not even in the spec. There are, however, a lot of sub-capabilities that have a `dynamicRegistration` property. 
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2017-08-04 01:48:17	Naughtmare[m]	alanz: BTW, Is there a reason we don't use a library like json-rpc and build the LSP protocol on top of that?
2017-08-04 01:48:51	alanz	no reason. I inherited that code from phoityne-vscode, and modified it
2017-08-04 01:49:05	alanz	if you want to put in a PR for that go for it
2017-08-04 01:50:12	alanz	It has been banged around to make sure it re-syncs if a garbled message comes through, and detects when the stream ends so the app exits without leaving a 6G process hanging around
2017-08-04 01:51:01	alanz	I imagine using a library would make it easier to use it over other transports too
2017-08-04 01:51:10	alanz	apart from stdio only, as at present
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2017-08-05 16:17:39	--	Topic for #haskell-ide-engine is "https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine. Still not an IDE. | Logs at http://ircbrowse.net/haskell-ide-engine | API Docs  https://haskell.github.io/haskell-ide-engine/ | POC Hierarchical menus in emacs https://i.imgur.com/n7M9ye2.png | POC leksah integration using https://github.com/JPMoresmau/leksah-server/tree/hie_integration and  https://github.com/leksah/leksah/tree/hie_integr"
2017-08-05 16:17:39	--	Topic set by alanz (alanz@gateway/shell/firrre/x-ndioycaynkxzpmlf) on Fri, 01 Jan 2016 16:29:43
2017-08-05 16:17:39	--	Channel #haskell-ide-engine: 28 nicks (1 op, 0 voices, 27 normals)
2017-08-05 16:17:40	--	Channel created on Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:10:19
2017-08-05 16:29:36	alanz	wz1000: not sure if you have seen this yet: https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/6rnbcw/brittany_haskell_source_code_formatting_tool/
2017-08-05 16:30:42	wz1000	alanz: nice
2017-08-05 16:31:48	wz1000	alanz: btw, my vacations are ending and I need to go back to college, so I will be busy for the next couple of days
2017-08-05 16:31:51	alanz	We are starting to get some nice feedback on usage.
2017-08-05 16:32:03	wz1000	yeah
2017-08-05 16:32:10	alanz	ok, no problem.
2017-08-05 16:33:16	alanz	What is still required before the cleanup branch lands? arrowsvc merge?
2017-08-05 16:33:31	alanz	And I guess that will happen after your move
2017-08-05 16:42:59	wz1000	yeah, I will make a PR to arrowsvcs branch
2017-08-05 16:44:32	wz1000	I also wanted to add tests for the new untested commands (completion, document references, document symbols and get names at point)
2017-08-05 16:44:40	wz1000	but I guess that can wait until after the merge
2017-08-05 16:45:14	alanz	ok
2017-08-05 16:58:01	arrowsvc	But... I've already made a PR ._.
2017-08-05 17:03:59	alanz	To master? when did you do that? I miss things all the time. 
2017-08-05 17:05:20	alanz	ok, and I see it passes the build, will merge.
2017-08-05 17:05:23	alanz	arrowsvc: thanks
2017-08-05 17:05:28	arrowsvc	Yesterday.
2017-08-05 17:06:28	alanz	great. merged
2017-08-05 17:06:30	--	Notice(GitHub193): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #273: Build plugin (master...build-plugin) https://git.io/v72va
2017-08-05 17:06:33	--	Notice(GitHub78): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 31 new commits to master: https://git.io/v7w79
2017-08-05 17:06:33	--	Notice(GitHub78): haskell-ide-engine/master 3f1a640 Gleb Popov: Attach build-plugin to the build.
2017-08-05 17:06:33	--	Notice(GitHub78): haskell-ide-engine/master b606bb2 Gleb Popov: Merge branch 'master' of github.com:haskell/haskell-ide-engine into build-plugin
2017-08-05 17:06:33	--	Notice(GitHub78): haskell-ide-engine/master 53955bc Gleb Popov: Catch up with HIE changes.
2017-08-05 17:06:46	arrowsvc	Yay.
2017-08-05 17:07:00	alanz	arrowsvc: I have been looking forward to this, tbh
2017-08-05 17:09:15	alanz	So this clears the way for the wz1000 cleanup, when he is able to pay attention again
2017-08-05 17:29:22	wz1000	arrowsvc: how are you interacting with hie currently?
2017-08-05 17:29:58	wz1000	arrowsvc: because I have made major changes to the hie plugin system
2017-08-05 17:31:09	arrowsvc	Uhm. With buildPluginDescriptor/buildCommand.
2017-08-05 17:31:19	wz1000	yeah, but what transport?
2017-08-05 17:31:31	arrowsvc	And implement appropraite CommandFunc ()
2017-08-05 17:31:43	arrowsvc	Ah, StdioJson one.
2017-08-05 17:31:57	wz1000	Because I removed all the non lsp transports. It wouldn't be too diffucult to add them back
2017-08-05 17:33:01	arrowsvc	Yeah, I'd like StdioJson to stay.
2017-08-05 17:34:41	 *	alanz notices the whole world is building, stack.yaml moved on by 2 days to nightly-2017-06-16
2017-08-05 17:35:06	wz1000	arrowsvc: ok, I will make a StdioJson transport - but the exact api might differ a bit
2017-08-05 17:35:36	alanz	We should probably move forward to the last nightly before 8.2.1
2017-08-05 17:35:41	alanz	some time
2017-08-05 17:35:48	wz1000	IIRC that is 07-25
2017-08-05 17:36:21	wz1000	I think both brittany and ghc-mod will take a bit of time before they are ready for 8.2
2017-08-05 17:36:33	arrowsvc	Yep, that was due to my branch ._.
2017-08-05 17:41:22	alanz	wz1000: the main 8.2 blocker is ghc-mod (via cabal-helper)
2017-08-05 17:45:30	wz1000	alanz: did the ast change much in 8.2?
2017-08-05 17:47:05	arrowsvc	It seems I need full Haskell AST with source locations on KDevelop side to make language features work. Can HIE help me with that?
2017-08-05 17:48:42	wz1000	arrowsvc: we have the parsed/renamed/typechecked source, you it seems like you just need to output that. Also, there is a ghc-dump tree plugin
2017-08-05 17:49:12	arrowsvc	What's renamed source?
2017-08-05 17:50:20	wz1000	arrowsvc: https://www.stackage.org/haddock/lts-8.18/ghc-8.0.2/GHC.html#t:TypecheckedModule
2017-08-05 17:51:03	wz1000	HIE has a mechanism to cache and load TypecheckedModules, so they are very easily available
2017-08-05 17:52:39	wz1000	hexagoxel: I saw your reddit comments about fixities - we have the typechecked source available in HIE, so we can easily look up the fixity of any operator.
2017-08-05 17:53:12	wz1000	So if you expose a way to provide a "fixity environment", hie can pass that on to brittany
2017-08-05 17:54:38	 *	alanz loves the way hie is becoming a focal point for getting tooling together
2017-08-05 17:56:39	wz1000	for use without hie, default fixity environments for base, lens, containers, vector etc. could be generated and used.
2017-08-05 17:57:37	alanz	wz1000: I think we need to start splitting the tooling base layer out of hie some time, as we have discussed
2017-08-05 17:58:08	alanz	So that tools can depend on it directly, not only for use in hie
2017-08-05 17:58:09	wz1000	alanz: hie-plugin-api is it
2017-08-05 17:58:14	wz1000	we can rename it
2017-08-05 17:58:32	alanz	I think it needs to be renamed. 
2017-08-05 17:58:36	wz1000	I need to reorganize the code a bit, split it into more modules - but it is mostly ready
2017-08-05 17:58:43	alanz	not sure what it should be called though
2017-08-05 17:58:56	alanz	ok, no rush, we must just do it some time
2017-08-05 17:59:06	alanz	and/or make it clear that it is going to happen
2017-08-05 18:00:57	wz1000	alanz: but it means that anything that uses hie-plugin-api will have a haskell-lsp dependency
2017-08-05 18:01:16	wz1000	hie-plugin-api uses URIs exclusively to pass around filepaths
2017-08-05 18:01:22	wz1000	And URI is from haskell-lsp
2017-08-05 18:02:28	alanz	hmm.
2017-08-05 18:02:52	alanz	We may need to look carefully at what lives where.
2017-08-05 18:03:05	alanz	Perhaps put the Uri in the plugin api.
2017-08-05 18:09:23	wz1000	alanz: but haskell-lsp also uses uri - maybe split it out into its own package?
2017-08-05 18:09:23	arrowsvc	https://paste.kde.org/pgp0tjyt0
2017-08-05 18:09:34	arrowsvc	This is what ghctree gives me.
2017-08-05 18:09:53	arrowsvc	For my own build plugin.
2017-08-05 18:09:55	alanz	wz1000: possibly.
2017-08-05 18:10:14	arrowsvc	I guess, it doesn't have any idea about stack?
2017-08-05 18:10:17	alanz	But not a whole package just for that type. 
2017-08-05 18:21:52	wz1000	arrowsvc: try running it with a simpler project(which doesn't have subprojects - because we do some withCradle stuff in HIE to handle those
2017-08-05 18:52:09	hexagoxel	wz1000: good to know. btw, are we talking about fixities, precedences or both?
2017-08-05 18:57:35	wz1000	hexagoxel: both
2017-08-05 19:05:19	hexagoxel	right
2017-08-05 20:57:44	 *	hexagoxel is running tests for brittany on ghc-8.2 ..
2017-08-05 21:05:28	hexagoxel	pushed to dev branch
2017-08-05 21:06:38	hexagoxel	does someone here have a macos env available? i'd like to confirm if the dev branch of brittany compiles fine there.
2017-08-05 21:07:09	hexagoxel	i have had some problems with CPP handling differences before.
2017-08-05 21:07:39	arrowsvc	wz1000: But that will be fixed some day?
2017-08-05 21:08:36	hexagoxel	("MacOS" .. without capitalisation i almost would not decipher that myself)
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2017-08-05 22:39:01	wz1000	arrowsvc: yeah, I will fix it soon
2017-08-05 22:39:18	wz1000	arrowsvc: does it work?
2017-08-05 22:41:22	wz1000	alanz: it will take quite a bit of effort to remove the haskell-lsp dependency from hie-plugin-api - it uses all the hie types like Range, Position, Location, WorkspaceEdit etc.
2017-08-05 22:45:33	alanz	I know. So let it just be a dep then
2017-08-05 22:45:43	alanz	If anyone cares they can remove it
2017-08-05 22:45:54	alanz	At least it is clear where the types are driven from
2017-08-05 22:48:30	wz1000	https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/6rnbcw/brittany_haskell_source_code_formatting_tool/dl7b83x/?context=3
2017-08-05 22:48:32	wz1000	freaky
2017-08-05 22:49:12	alanz	what do you mean?
2017-08-05 22:49:32	alanz	It is up to britanny to do that, of course
2017-08-05 22:49:33	wz1000	I said the same thing a few hours before that comment
2017-08-05 22:49:48	wz1000	here
2017-08-05 22:49:59	alanz	well, people do not always read the prior threads
2017-08-05 22:50:03	alanz	or forget
2017-08-05 22:51:28	wz1000	no, I'm talking  about how that comment is saying exactly the same thing I said to hexagoxel here(on #haskell-ide-engine) a few hours ago
2017-08-05 22:52:09	alanz	ok, gotcha. Great minds think alike :)
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2017-08-06 00:55:22	arrowsvc	wz1000: Yeah, with single package it seems to work.
2017-08-06 00:55:33	arrowsvc	But it takes pretty much time.
2017-08-06 01:05:08	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/64a3da69d6dacbd438944102d421ed73568cd737
2017-08-06 01:07:09	alanz	wz1000: looking ...
2017-08-06 01:07:25	wz1000	alanz: look at the diffs for the stuff in hie-plugin-api
2017-08-06 01:07:31	wz1000	The rest are just clean ups
2017-08-06 01:07:52	alanz	ok, I am checking it out locally to be able to look properly
2017-08-06 01:11:26	wz1000	I ran weeder and stylish haskell over everything too
2017-08-06 01:12:19	alanz	sounds good
2017-08-06 01:15:00	alanz	And we have no choice but to expose IdeM
2017-08-06 01:16:17	alanz	I wonder if we should expose IdeT via the plugin API, and then specialise it in hie
2017-08-06 01:16:45	alanz	Probably makes no difference
2017-08-06 01:17:26	wz1000	thats a good idea- if hare starts using hie-plugin-api, then it can put its own custom state in
2017-08-06 01:17:52	alanz	But will it still work when plugged in to hie?
2017-08-06 01:18:35	wz1000	it should - atleast after we make the types polymorphic
2017-08-06 01:18:43	alanz	hie-base exists as something that can be used in the client too, for haskell based clients. Such as leksah, yi
2017-08-06 01:18:47	alanz	ok
2017-08-06 01:18:59	alanz	So hie-base should remain separate. I think.
2017-08-06 01:19:17	wz1000	hie base just has one module now
2017-08-06 01:19:38	alanz	yes, I am just thinking aloud
2017-08-06 01:19:42	wz1000	and mostly it just reexports stuff from LSP
2017-08-06 01:20:19	alanz	yes, so see. 
2017-08-06 01:20:34	alanz	I wonder if is still needs to exist as something separate?
2017-08-06 01:20:47	alanz	the LSP types come out already
2017-08-06 01:21:08	alanz	It is only people using the non-lsp transport, and writing in haskell that might care
2017-08-06 01:21:37	alanz	It was originally broken out for leksah, iirc
2017-08-06 01:22:52	wz1000	I think hie-plugin-api can be broken up
2017-08-06 01:23:05	wz1000	We can remove the HIE specific stuff like logging
2017-08-06 01:23:16	wz1000	and plugins
2017-08-06 01:24:06	alanz	well, I am keen to be able to log uniformly from HaRe, and have it come out in the right place in hie
2017-08-06 01:25:47	wz1000	well we can atleast split it along the lines of plugins - only plugin specific stuff stays in hie-plugin-api, the rest moves into a new package
2017-08-06 01:26:02	alanz	But MonadFunctions looks like it should be called LoggingFunctions
2017-08-06 01:26:20	alanz	ok, or come up with an umbrella name for it
2017-08-06 01:26:35	alanz	hie-plugin-services?
2017-08-06 01:26:46	wz1000	ok
2017-08-06 01:26:57	wz1000	for the layer that will be used by HaRe?
2017-08-06 01:27:28	alanz	Yes, which I understand to be hie-plugin-api, according to your cleanup branch?
2017-08-06 01:27:53	alanz	(currently)
2017-08-06 01:28:03	wz1000	yes
2017-08-06 01:28:15	alanz	we could leave it with that name
2017-08-06 01:28:23	alanz	Why do you want to split it in two?
2017-08-06 01:29:02	wz1000	because stuff that uses it as a layer wouldn't care about the plugin stuff
2017-08-06 01:29:41	wz1000	PluginDescriptor, runPluginCommand etc
2017-08-06 01:29:54	alanz	ok, makes sense
2017-08-06 01:30:24	alanz	Although, my original concept was that the plugin stuff would live in the thing being plugged in
2017-08-06 01:30:36	alanz	so the HaRe plugin would live in HaRe
2017-08-06 01:31:00	alanz	Not sure if that is a good idea, tbh
2017-08-06 01:31:17	alanz	but it does keep all the concerns in one place
2017-08-06 01:31:39	alanz	at the cost of making refactoring at the hie level harder
2017-08-06 01:32:01	wz1000	so hie-hare moves into HaRe itself?
2017-08-06 01:32:12	alanz	That is an option
2017-08-06 01:32:29	alanz	which we should discuss, perhaps
2017-08-06 01:32:44	alanz	And would only really make sense once things are a lot more stable
2017-08-06 01:37:38	alanz	hie-hare is calling setTypeCheckedModule from hie-ghc-mod. Is that correct? 
2017-08-06 01:53:14	wz1000	alanz: yes
2017-08-06 01:53:41	wz1000	but I think the complicated commands in hie-hare can live in their own package
2017-08-06 01:53:55	wz1000	with hie-hare just having predefined HaRe refactorings
2017-08-06 01:54:07	alanz	ok. And I think some of them can go into hie-plugin-api
2017-08-06 01:55:21	alanz	btw, setTypeCheckedModule just calls stuff from the plugin api. Pretty sure it could move there
2017-08-06 01:55:59	alanz	oops, sorry. nvm
2017-08-06 01:56:06	wz1000	alanz: yes, but it acts like the ghc-mod check command
2017-08-06 01:56:26	alanz	so I see. Which makes sense, so we don't have to call it twice
2017-08-06 01:57:01	alanz	I just wonder how it will work when HaRe is calling the hie-plugin-api though
2017-08-06 01:57:09	alanz	I think I need to make a branch that does that
2017-08-06 01:57:27	wz1000	I removed the original ghc-mod check command(and the parser)
2017-08-06 01:57:33	alanz	ok. 
2017-08-06 01:57:40	alanz	I need to go noe
2017-08-06 01:57:42	alanz	now
2017-08-06 01:58:39	wz1000	ok, all you should have to do in HaRe is replace the stuff in Utils.hs with the stuff in ModuleLoader.hs
2017-08-06 01:58:47	alanz	ok
2017-08-06 01:59:38	wz1000	And you might also want to replace loc2rdrName with getNamesAtPos from LocMap.hs
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2017-08-06 19:25:00	alanz	arrowsvc: You need to feed the file contents into the VFS, and I would have to scratch around to find exactly where. Are you working against hie master or wz1000/cleanup?
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2017-08-07 00:30:38	wz1000	arrowsvc: you need to map the file using ghc-mod/loadMappedFileFromSource
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2017-08-07 00:43:43	alanz	wz1000: thanks. I took a quick look, but had other commitments today. Still have :(
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2017-08-07 00:50:53	arrowsvc	wz1000: I'm not sure I'm understand what to do with this.
2017-08-07 02:05:10	wz1000	arrowsvc: you nned to call GM.loadMappedFileSource with the original filepath and the text you get from kdevelop
2017-08-07 02:07:08	wz1000	after calling that, call the ghc-dump-tree with the original URI and it should work as expected.
2017-08-07 02:13:33	arrowsvc	So, since I'm talking to HIE via json and not LSP, I first need a command that calls GM.loadMappedFileSource?
2017-08-07 02:13:51	wz1000	yes
2017-08-07 02:15:36	wz1000	Wait for a bit though, until I get my cleanup branch merged and rewrite the json transport
2017-08-07 02:16:11	arrowsvc	Sure thing, I'm drunk anyways.
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2017-08-07 12:47:27	alanz	wz1000: cat on the keyboard?
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2017-08-07 14:25:10	wz1000	I have no idea what happened. My mosh session was active on my home machine, had to ssh in and kill it.
2017-08-07 15:17:29	wz1000	arrowsvc: alanz: how did JSONStdio seperate multiple requests? 
2017-08-07 15:17:51	wz1000	Was there some specific seperator?
2017-08-07 15:18:06	alanz	I think so, it was a constant in the code, iirc
2017-08-07 15:18:31	alanz	I have to admit that code got quite hairy
2017-08-07 15:19:35	alanz	wz1000: see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/Pipes.hs#L136
2017-08-07 15:20:14	arrowsvc	wz1000: I have the same question for all the way I'm working on HIE.
2017-08-07 15:20:40	arrowsvc	Currently I just make sure not to issue parallel requests on KDevelop side.
2017-08-07 15:21:07	alanz	it is intended to be able to pipeline them, and get async responses
2017-08-07 15:21:18	alanz	which is why there is a request id. 
2017-08-07 15:21:32	alanz	To be able to link a response back to the original request
2017-08-07 15:23:18	wz1000	arrowsvc: so how do you send multiple requests? put the raw json for every request?
2017-08-07 15:23:38	wz1000	How did hie know when one request ended and another began?
2017-08-07 15:24:12	alanz	the \STX char is the frame delimiter
2017-08-07 15:24:28	alanz	as per the link I posted earlier
2017-08-07 15:24:57	arrowsvc	Yep, \STX.
2017-08-07 15:25:56	arrowsvc	And yep, raw json.
2017-08-07 15:26:41	alanz	wz1000: I see your cleanup branch is using haskell-lsp from Jul 21 (ef43e7dce5a58100a0dbedbac8aa316c72cd6dc2). Is there a reason for that?
2017-08-07 15:28:45	wz1000	no, the latest one should work
2017-08-07 15:29:26	alanz	ok, thanks
2017-08-07 15:29:49	alanz	I will update and check. Starting to work on getting HaRe to use it
2017-08-07 15:30:40	wz1000	alanz: you will have to make some changes to the lsp elisp for the hare commands too
2017-08-07 15:31:01	alanz	yes, I saw that.
2017-08-07 17:08:19	alanz	wz1000: it just struck me, HaRe supports GHC 7.10.3. LSP uses OverloadedRecordFields, so will not be able to build for that
2017-08-07 17:08:52	alanz	so we may have to make a haskell-lsp-types package
2017-08-07 17:08:57	alanz	or some such
2017-08-07 18:13:13	wz1000	alanz: or we share hare/hie types (possibly via a new package so other stuff can also use it) and convert lsp types to those in LspStdio 
2017-08-07 18:13:51	alanz	maybe use hie-base, that was the original intent
2017-08-07 18:14:07	alanz	but if it is a dep of haskell-lsp it needs a neutral package name
2017-08-07 18:14:35	alanz	FYI I am also harmonising the logging, to use hslogger throughout
2017-08-07 18:15:18	wz1000	alanz: why would it be a dep of haskell-lsp?
2017-08-07 18:16:05	alanz	"convert lsp types to those in LspStdio"
2017-08-07 18:16:28	alanz	so there is a new package, we both agree
2017-08-07 18:16:29	wz1000	LspStdio is in haskell-ide-engine
2017-08-07 18:16:46	alanz	But I am sure it will be a bottom-layer dependency for both hie and haskell-lsp.
2017-08-07 18:17:06	alanz	yes, but haskell-lsp needs access to some of those types?
2017-08-07 18:17:24	alanz	or rather, hie-plugin-api does
2017-08-07 18:17:58	 *	alanz still untangling this stuff in my head
2017-08-07 18:18:14	wz1000	lsp needs separate types for aeson instances in any case
2017-08-07 18:18:27	alanz	agree
2017-08-07 18:19:05	alanz	but the types used standalone in hie-plugin-api should perhaps live in their own space.
2017-08-07 18:19:36	alanz	because it is only the actual messages that use OverloadedRecordFields.
2017-08-07 18:19:39	alanz	I hope.
2017-08-07 18:21:58	alanz	I will experiment, as part of getting HaRe to use the plugin api
2017-08-07 18:22:14	alanz	And I want to start splitting out ghc-mod-core too
2017-08-07 18:38:30	wz1000	alanz: should hie be responsible for automatic indentation? It seems like it can be better handled by the editor and editor specific plugins
2017-08-07 18:39:53	alanz	For now.
2017-08-07 18:40:04	wz1000	because the only way we can implement it in hie is the equivalent of a regex search and replace
2017-08-07 18:40:05	alanz	When the incremental parser is a thing we can revisit it
2017-08-07 18:40:19	alanz	Indentation is hard, because parsing is hard.
2017-08-07 18:40:46	alanz	I know it is one of the things that has given haskell-mode in emacs the most trouble
2017-08-07 18:41:01	wz1000	yes, the fundamental problem is that we can't parse the file
2017-08-07 18:41:12	wz1000	so we are restricted to string operations
2017-08-07 18:41:41	alanz	I know. but parsing is complex, because of layout rules, block comments, etc
2017-08-07 18:42:25	wz1000	it seems like the ideal solution would be and incremental parser + something like brittany
2017-08-07 18:42:39	alanz	agree
2017-08-07 18:44:24	wz1000	apparently the eclipse folks have their own java compiler
2017-08-07 18:45:20	alanz	yes
2017-08-07 18:45:40	alanz	and the c# has been rewritten to be a language server from the inside out
2017-08-07 18:45:57	alanz	proper tooling needs *deep* compiler integration
2017-08-07 18:50:36	wz1000	fortunately, it seems much easier to get changes accepeted into ghc compared to oracles java compiler
2017-08-07 18:51:03	wz1000	so we won't have to write our own compiler :)
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2017-08-07 18:52:41	alanz	yes.
2017-08-07 18:52:53	alanz	And I have been worming my way in there for a while already
2017-08-07 18:54:09	wz1000	-fdefer-type-errors defers name errors too. those by themselves could be pretty useful. I will experiment with them
2017-08-07 18:55:18	alanz	Did you ever look at https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/BUILD/BUILD2011/TOOL-816T, and the follow up at https://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Seth-Juarez/Anders-Hejlsberg-on-Modern-Compiler-Construction
2017-08-07 18:55:42	alanz	I still need to watch the second one
2017-08-07 18:56:19	alanz	wz1000: did you see this: https://github.com/AlexeyRaga/vscode-hie-server/commit/d41335290f84da3ec1b327f7f1d7192e3c1a709d
2017-08-07 18:59:56	wz1000	no, neat!
2017-08-07 19:00:28	alanz	A big inspiration for what I want to do in the ghc ecosystem
2017-08-07 19:04:31	alanz	I meant the videos, I guess you meant the vscode update. Which is neat
2017-08-07 19:20:11	wz1000	I have a very spotty network so haven't been able to look at the videos.
2017-08-07 19:22:34	alanz	ok
2017-08-07 19:38:05	alanz	wz1000: I have managed to get HaRe to use the hie-plugin-api
2017-08-07 19:38:19	alanz	Now to clean up, and get it to work with ghc-7.10
2017-08-07 19:41:03	wz1000	alanz: nice!
2017-08-07 19:41:13	wz1000	for loading typechecked modules?
2017-08-07 19:41:17	alanz	yes
2017-08-07 19:41:37	alanz	and in the process harmonised the logging, to be hslogger everywhere
2017-08-07 19:41:56	alanz	which I still need to confirm that it works as expected
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2017-08-08 03:06:41	alanz	wz1000: (when your day starts) take a look at https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/ghc-mod-core
2017-08-08 03:07:02	alanz	It means the hie-plugin-api can have far fewer deps
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2017-08-08 14:03:32	alanz	wz1000: HaRe only uses getTypecheckedModuleGhc.  I think I will break it out into a separate package, which will be ghc-mod core for now, I think
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2017-08-08 15:52:05	wz1000	alanz: I think it could be worth it to get HaRe to use the IdeM monad
2017-08-08 15:52:49	wz1000	then it can also use the LocMap stuff
2017-08-08 15:54:45	alanz	ok, but will do it one step at a time.
2017-08-08 15:55:03	alanz	The OverloadedRecordFields / GHC 7.10.3 thing is the main problem
2017-08-08 16:10:05	alanz	wz1000: do you want me to look into restoring the jsonstdio interface while you are out of the loop? I am keen to get the cleanup stuff in master, so we can start updating clients etc
2017-08-08 16:14:55	alanz	I wonder if we should expose the IdeState stuff as something like HasIdeState, which has getters and setters for cradleCache and uriCaches
2017-08-08 18:29:44	wz1000	alanz: I'm working on the JsonStdio right now
2017-08-08 18:30:06	alanz	ok, cool. I am puzzling over the module cache at the moment.
2017-08-08 18:30:40	alanz	debating whether to shove it right down into the ghc-mod cache, which dxld will probably be against
2017-08-08 18:30:53	alanz	or put it one layer up
2017-08-08 18:30:58	wz1000	alanz: the ghc-mod cache is quite different
2017-08-08 18:31:11	alanz	Currently doing a "HasGhcModuleCache" class
2017-08-08 18:31:25	alanz	and I agree, it is different.
2017-08-08 18:31:43	alanz	this is basically that in-between caching layer.
2017-08-08 18:31:45	wz1000	I think it is used for filesystem cache, while the hie cache is in memory
2017-08-08 18:31:55	alanz	true
2017-08-08 18:32:56	alanz	Let me carry on working my concept in, and we can decide whether it makes sense
2017-08-08 18:43:07	wz1000	alanz: how do I write the input loop? do I need a streaming abstraction? because I can see no way to know how much to read
2017-08-08 18:43:29	wz1000	so the only other option I can think of is Bytestring.getContents
2017-08-08 18:45:03	alanz	wz1000: that stuff was all there. Surely you should just reinstate it, and change the message interpretation?
2017-08-08 18:45:33	alanz	Set up the way it made sense, so the input and output stream were independent.
2017-08-08 18:45:53	alanz	Except that the input stream could push an error message direct to the output one, when needed.
2017-08-08 18:46:25	alanz	In that Pipe sourcefile, which was used for both the stdio and tcp variants
2017-08-08 18:49:27	wz1000	I got rid of most of those types though, so now I'm already most of the way through writing a new implementation
2017-08-08 18:49:58	alanz	ok,
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2017-08-08 18:59:09	wz1000	alanz: here's what I have so far: http://lpaste.net/357521
2017-08-08 18:59:34	wz1000	just need to fill in that last readReqByteString
2017-08-08 19:00:53	wz1000	will it be ok if we require Content-Length header?
2017-08-08 19:11:26	alanz	chat to arrowsvc about that
2017-08-08 19:11:41	alanz	maybe just use jsonrpc directly?
2017-08-08 19:12:05	alanz	And if you are doing the content length then, then maybe use the same mechanism as in haskell-lsp
2017-08-08 19:12:47	alanz	which should maybe make use of the jsonrpc lib anyway, except I have not looked at it, and do not know if it does streaming
2017-08-08 19:15:23	wz1000	now I'm trying to read Char by Char and using ByteString builders to concatenate them
2017-08-08 19:17:27	alanz	ok. 
2017-08-08 19:18:03	alanz	We have two working implementations. But if you want to roll a third, go for it. Learning experience, I guess 
2017-08-08 19:58:56	wz1000	alanz: there is no optionn for the json transport?
2017-08-08 19:59:29	alanz	jsonstdio used to be the default, unless overriden by another option
2017-08-08 20:00:34	alanz	It probably makes sense to have lsp as the default in future
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2017-08-08 21:41:53	wz1000	alanz: I just saw your update to the vscode plugin readme. neat! that was new information for me
2017-08-08 21:42:26	alanz	I dug it out once before when testing it, then had to dig it out again. So I figured I would capture it for my future self :)
2017-08-08 21:42:43	wz1000	btw, do literate haskell files work?
2017-08-08 21:44:23	alanz	not when I last checked, for happy
2017-08-08 21:44:32	alanz	And have not investigated
2017-08-08 21:44:51	alanz	because happy is such a crazy environment that hie is not an option anyway
2017-08-08 21:45:12	alanz	I know the lhs support in emacs mode has rotted too
2017-08-08 21:45:20	alanz	so editing is a bit dodgy
2017-08-08 21:45:46	alanz	But you learn which commands dont unexpectely delete things, and carry on.
2017-08-08 21:46:03	wz1000	If cpp works, lhs should also work
2017-08-08 21:46:13	wz1000	in hie
2017-08-08 21:46:30	alanz	I found it did not load the module, but it is either lhs, or happy as a project
2017-08-08 21:46:43	alanz	and have not checked further
2017-08-08 21:47:17	alanz	And support in HaRe / ghc-exactprint is currently a TODO item
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2017-08-08 21:49:19	alanz	wz1000: please take a look at https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/blob/ghc-mod-core/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/MonadTypes.hs#L121
2017-08-08 21:49:24	alanz	in my latest commit
2017-08-08 21:49:42	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/commit/7bd5d489e46f07893a52da1e73b5b552d6918c11
2017-08-08 22:03:54	alanz	and the move gets blocked by Position.
2017-08-08 22:07:51	wz1000	alanz: Position can be substituted by the HaRe type for Positions. It should be relatively simply because we mainly use toPos and unPos to interact with Positions.
2017-08-08 22:09:40	wz1000	it is a lot more readable after adding the GhcModuleCache typeclass
2017-08-08 22:11:06	wz1000	PluginDescriptor was my 'sin bin', where I put all the mucking about with internals to present a nice api
2017-08-08 22:11:35	wz1000	Now its been split into submodules
2017-08-08 22:14:02	wz1000	I'm merging haskell:master and wz1000:cleanup now
2017-08-08 22:15:44	alanz	cool, I will bring myself into line with that when you are done. Just stepping out for a bit 
2017-08-08 23:07:03	alanz	wz1000: some time soon I am going to make a tool to watch repos I care about for issues and PRs
2017-08-08 23:07:11	alanz	I miss so many of them
2017-08-08 23:14:55	wz1000	alanz: when should we merge the vscode PR for type insertion?
2017-08-08 23:15:12	alanz	once the cleanup is in master
2017-08-08 23:15:27	alanz	it uses the different addressing for plugin functions
2017-08-08 23:18:28	wz1000	another "problem" is that it targets vscode specifically. I think hare implements something similar for certain refactorings. how hard would it be to implement in HaRe?
2017-08-08 23:18:50	alanz	should be easy enough
2017-08-08 23:19:47	wz1000	Of course, this works, and that is much better than ideological purity.
2017-08-08 23:20:13	alanz	I reckon we keep it, and make an issue
2017-08-08 23:20:22	alanz	I am unlikely to get to it for a while.
2017-08-08 23:20:48	alanz	I start travelling end of next week, and have quite a bit to do in the interim
2017-08-08 23:21:04	wz1000	ok. should we wait until the bug I pointed out gets fixed?
2017-08-08 23:21:11	alanz	yes
2017-08-08 23:21:27	wz1000	I imagine the solution could be pretty hacky - another reason to go through the AST
2017-08-08 23:21:45	alanz	yes
2017-08-08 23:22:19	alanz	But also, having it a lightweight thing in the ide means you can easily undo it if it does the wrong thing
2017-08-08 23:23:08	alanz	let's re-look at this once the cleanup has landed.
2017-08-08 23:23:39	wz1000	so the problem is should we impose the burden of fixing it(which could require some effort on AlexeyRagas part) if it is going to be replaced in the future
2017-08-08 23:23:42	alanz	Because getting something in that works for some cases and can be undone easily for others when it does not is better than nothing
2017-08-08 23:23:50	wz1000	yes, I agree
2017-08-08 23:23:59	alanz	And encouraging contribution is a big win.
2017-08-08 23:24:26	alanz	I am encouraged by the number of issues reported from people actually trying to use hie
2017-08-08 23:25:48	wz1000	yes
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2017-08-09 00:13:24	wz1000	alanz: what tool do you use for merging?
2017-08-09 00:13:50	alanz	combination of magit in emacs and/or straight command line
2017-08-09 00:14:10	wz1000	using vimdiff?
2017-08-09 00:14:38	alanz	I generally hit emacs for the diff viewing, deal with the logs and stuff in vim
2017-08-09 00:14:56	alanz	btw, you might be better off rebasing on master
2017-08-09 00:15:19	alanz	less conflict, the build branch is quite a long one, so lots of things to manage
2017-08-09 00:15:33	wz1000	yes, that is what I'm doing
2017-08-09 00:16:26	alanz	ok. And sometimes it helps to first interactive rebase your branch to squash it into a single commit, so there is only one merge to manage
2017-08-09 00:16:37	wz1000	I mean, I pulled haskell:master into my cleanup branch, and am now fixing the merge issues
2017-08-09 00:17:12	wz1000	I used git mergetool --tool=vimdiff
2017-08-09 00:17:23	alanz	no, revert to what you had before, then checkout a new branch from that point (something like cleanup-rebased), then " git rebase master"
2017-08-09 00:17:36	alanz	it undoes your commits, and then replays them against master
2017-08-09 00:18:26	alanz	And to simplify it even more do "git rebase -i master", and then keep the first commit but squash the rest
2017-08-09 00:19:00	alanz	(via googling these things first, to make sure it makes sense)
2017-08-09 00:19:16	wz1000	git checkout -b when I'm on my cleanup branch should start a new branch based on cleanup, right?
2017-08-09 00:20:34	alanz	yes
2017-08-09 00:20:46	alanz	which you can discard if you screw it up
2017-08-09 00:21:11	wz1000	my commits were quite large and complex - would replaying them work well?
2017-08-09 00:21:45	alanz	well, the bet is that the changes in the build branch make use of the infrastructure without changing it
2017-08-09 00:21:53	alanz	and yours change the infrastructure
2017-08-09 00:22:02	alanz	so they should mostly be in different areas
2017-08-09 00:22:14	alanz	plus, yours is only 3 commits or so, that branch is a lot more
2017-08-09 00:23:00	alanz	And the build branch is spread over a large time period, so its commits are against a changing master, so may not be relevant to the current setuo
2017-08-09 00:23:06	alanz	which makes it a pain to merge
2017-08-09 00:30:54	alanz	wz1000: FYI, https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/commit/91888bcc1c893bc7b61f355afd1206b1470e0425
2017-08-09 00:40:51	wz1000	alanz: Pos is zero based?
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2017-08-09 00:41:51	wz1000	alanz: should I merge ^
2017-08-09 00:50:36	alanz	wz1000: Pos is intended to be a drop-in replacement for Position
2017-08-09 00:50:46	alanz	looking at the PR ...
2017-08-09 00:51:11	alanz	yes, merge
2017-08-09 01:03:59	alanz	wz1000: how is your rebase going?
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2017-08-09 16:15:25	alanz	wz1000: did you make progress on your merge/rebase? Do you want me to tackle it?
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2017-08-10 15:47:55	wz1000	alanz: sorry, didn't make much progress... down with the flu since yesterday. 
2017-08-10 16:01:35	alanz	no problem, life happens
2017-08-10 16:02:07	alanz	but if you want me to manage the rebase, I am prepared to do it.
2017-08-10 16:14:43	wz1000	alanz: that would be great. I don't think I'm in a state to do it today at least.
2017-08-10 16:14:53	wz1000	I've already screwed it up twice
2017-08-10 16:15:18	alanz	ok, these things are a bit hairy
2017-08-10 16:15:26	alanz	I will give it a shot. 
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2017-08-10 18:18:38	alanz	wz1000: FYI I did the merge, am now adapting the build plugin to the new method. Which has the side effect of giving me deep insight into the changes
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2017-08-10 18:37:24	arrowsvc	Do we have any means to search docs from HIE?
2017-08-10 18:39:03	wz1000	arrowsvc: hoogle?
2017-08-10 18:40:26	arrowsvc	There is a plugin for that?
2017-08-10 18:41:03	wz1000	yes
2017-08-10 18:41:21	alanz	:)
2017-08-10 18:43:10	arrowsvc	Nice. Does it query something online, or searches local documentation?
2017-08-10 18:45:12	wz1000	local documentation
2017-08-10 18:46:19	wz1000	If you run stack hoogle or some cabal incantation (check the README) it will build docs from the deps of your package.
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2017-08-10 20:57:21	gleachkr	Hi all. I'm trying to get hie up and running with `LanguageClient-neovim`. Has anybody managed to do this?
2017-08-10 20:59:00	alanz	no, but I am glad to hear of the attempt.
2017-08-10 20:59:10	alanz	"trying": what is not working?
2017-08-10 21:00:05	alanz	gleachkr: ^^
2017-08-10 21:00:08	gleachkr	Well, hlint seems to be working. Not much else, unfortunately.
2017-08-10 21:00:39	alanz	ok, so the language server actually starts up, that's a big step
2017-08-10 21:00:51	gleachkr	Yep, it starts up, and they communicate to some degree.
2017-08-10 21:01:02	alanz	can you build the project you are working against, using stack, cabal etc?
2017-08-10 21:01:28	alanz	And I think that client has only just been announced, may still be a bit rough.
2017-08-10 21:01:45	alanz	The non-lint tools expect a buildable prject, at the moment
2017-08-10 21:01:55	gleachkr	ghc-mod is also sort-of working, though I don't get any helpful information. I can't tell if this has to do with ghc-mod linking against a different ghc than my project.
2017-08-10 21:02:42	alanz	well, hie bundles ghc-mod in it
2017-08-10 21:02:42	gleachkr	The project does build with stack. It's a multi-package project, some ghc and some ghcjs, so that may be an additional source of complexity.
2017-08-10 21:03:16	alanz	well, perhaps check out a straight (simple) haskell project somewhere, and see if it works on that
2017-08-10 21:03:30	alanz	that way we can work out where the complexity lies
2017-08-10 21:03:47	gleachkr	OK, let me get back to you. (PS: thanks for helping!)
2017-08-10 21:04:03	alanz	And once you have it working, if you can make a PR on the README to explain what you did, or share it in some other way, it will be great
2017-08-10 21:04:46	alanz	The more users the more potential contributors. So I am more than happy to help people get started :)
2017-08-10 21:06:00	alanz	gleachkr: what version of neovim are you using, the last time I looked you needed quite a recent one
2017-08-10 21:10:18	gleachkr	using the most recent release, 0.2.0
2017-08-10 21:11:05	alanz	ok, thanks. I am tempted to try it too, but I am just an occasional vim user. And have too much other stuff to do
2017-08-10 21:12:02	gleachkr	No worries. I'd be really happy to get this going, though.
2017-08-10 21:12:09	alanz	0.1.0 in debian testing. from 2015 :(
2017-08-10 21:13:39	gleachkr	So, in a simpler project (one package), there are similar problems.
2017-08-10 21:14:34	gleachkr	Mostly ghc-mod provides "Failed to load interface" errors for all the imports, and none of the calls to hie seem to do anything, though there's a little bit of debug info.
2017-08-10 21:15:18	gleachkr	This is in a project build with lts-8.2 which is ghc-8.0.2, I *think* the same as hie is built with.
2017-08-10 21:15:52	alanz	ok, and the project is able to build?
2017-08-10 21:16:18	alanz	it might help to install vscode, and see if it is able to work
2017-08-10 21:16:22	gleachkr	Yep.
2017-08-10 21:16:34	alanz	that will tell you if the problem is in hie or the neovim client
2017-08-10 21:16:55	gleachkr	OK. Let me see.
2017-08-10 21:21:37	gleachkr	Hold up.
2017-08-10 21:21:53	gleachkr	actually had a bit of progress, trying something silly with the simpler project.
2017-08-10 21:22:08	alanz	ok, great. Keep me posted
2017-08-10 21:23:09	gleachkr	running `stack exec -- nvim thefile.hs`, so that nvim inherits the stack environment seems to get ghc-mod working, and to get at least some of the client functions working (currently figuring out which ones)
2017-08-10 21:25:31	alanz	did you do "stack install" for hie? so it is globally available?
2017-08-10 21:26:24	gleachkr	I did, yes.
2017-08-10 21:27:21	gleachkr	In this case, I'm running `stack exec nvim` inside of the simpler project, so nvim is running in the environment associated with that project.
2017-08-10 21:28:24	alanz	ok.
2017-08-10 21:28:58	alanz	the language server should be able to sort all that out, it will invoke stack as required, in the right directory
2017-08-10 21:33:17	gleachkr	So, a lot works this way. The main things that seem not to are:
2017-08-10 21:33:23	gleachkr	1. rename (scrambles the buffer)
2017-08-10 21:33:55	gleachkr	2. references (hie appears to return a 'no handler' message)
2017-08-10 21:35:20	gleachkr	3. workspace_symbol (again, 'no handler')
2017-08-10 21:36:25	gleachkr	4. completion (hie appears to return a bunch of information, but this doesn't get passed over to autocomplete)
2017-08-10 21:36:47	gleachkr	1 and 4 seem like they're probably problems on the client side.
2017-08-10 21:38:41	alanz	gleachkr: I agree
2017-08-10 21:39:01	gleachkr	Here's the bit of log relevant to 3:
2017-08-10 21:39:22	alanz	the rename returns a WorkspaceEdit, which is quite tricky to handle on the client side
2017-08-10 21:39:41	alanz	all of those work for vscode (and emacs)
2017-08-10 21:39:52	gleachkr	11:07:55 INFO     Begin workspace/symbol
2017-08-10 21:39:53	gleachkr	11:07:55 DEBUG     => {"jsonrpc":"2.0","id":18,"method":"workspace/symbol","params":{"query":""}}
2017-08-10 21:39:55	gleachkr	11:07:55 DEBUG     <= {"jsonrpc":"2.0","method":"window/logMessage","params":{"type":1,"message":"haskell-lsp:no handler for. Object (fromList [(\"jsonrpc\",String \"2.0\"),(\"params\",Object (fromList [(\"query\",String \"\")])),(\"method\",String \"workspace/symbol\"),(\"id\",Number 18.0)])"}}
2017-08-10 21:41:19	alanz	ok, that looks like the client is returning junk
2017-08-10 21:41:39	alanz	take a look in /tmp/hie-logs (if that exists)
2017-08-10 21:42:31	alanz	otherwise start hie with "-d -l /tmp/foo"
2017-08-10 21:43:10	alanz	but it actually spits out two logs currenty, and the one you want should be in /tmp/hie-logs/xxxx
2017-08-10 21:43:53	alanz	and perhaps paste part of that somewhere
2017-08-10 21:45:39	gleachkr	also: seems to not need the `stack exec` if hie has its root directory set correctly, sorry for the red herring there.
2017-08-10 21:45:52	alanz	no problem, I ignored it :)
2017-08-10 21:54:33	alanz	and neovim is 0.2 on debian testing, I had hand-installed a local version that was shadowing it
2017-08-10 21:59:30	gleachkr	OK, so here's the same exchange from the hie-logs:
2017-08-10 21:59:49	gleachkr	2017-08-10 11:26:23 [ThreadId 9] - <--2--{"result":[],"jsonrpc":"2.0","id":1}
2017-08-10 21:59:51	gleachkr	2017-08-10 11:26:59 [ThreadId 7] - ---> {"jsonrpc":"2.0","id":2,"method":"workspace/symbol","params":{"query":""}}
2017-08-10 21:59:53	gleachkr	2017-08-10 11:26:59 [ThreadId 9] - <--2--{"jsonrpc":"2.0","method":"window/logMessage","params":{"type":1,"message":"haskell-lsp:no handler for. Object (fromList [(\"jsonrpc\",String \"2.0\"),(\"params\",Object (fromList [(\"query\",String \"\")])),(\"method\",String \"workspace/symbol\"),(\"id\",Number 2.0)])"}}
2017-08-10 22:00:26	alanz	what where you highlighting at the time?
2017-08-10 22:01:17	gleachkr	drat, can't recall.
2017-08-10 22:01:24	alanz	because I think the empty string for the query param may be the problem
2017-08-10 22:01:33	gleachkr	That would make sense.
2017-08-10 22:01:40	alanz	I would expect it to have the symbol name being requested
2017-08-10 22:01:52	alanz	which is basically what that error is saying
2017-08-10 22:02:28	alanz	let me check what vscode does
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2017-08-10 22:03:49	alanz	btw, notice the comment in the param decription here: https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/protocol.md#workspace-symbols-request
2017-08-10 22:04:03	alanz	"A non-empty query string"
2017-08-10 22:04:17	alanz	So I claim the client is defective :)
2017-08-10 22:06:14	gleachkr	Yes, this is becoming increasingly clear.
2017-08-10 22:07:27	alanz	and to be honest, I do not know how to invoke workspace/symbol in vscode
2017-08-10 22:07:39	alanz	but that param is wrong
2017-08-10 22:07:57	gleachkr	I'll see about putting in an issue for that as well.
2017-08-10 22:08:04	gleachkr	So, sorry, got distracted---it looks like the `stack exec` thing is not completely fixed. It was masked by the debug flag, since all the ghc-mod complaints seemed to go to the log instead.
2017-08-10 22:08:14	gleachkr	But I'd believe that this is another issue with the client.
2017-08-10 22:08:42	alanz	ok
2017-08-10 22:09:57	gleachkr	Would this rootUri override the `-r` flag? 
2017-08-10 22:10:09	gleachkr	{"jsonrpc":"2.0","id":0,"method":"initialize","params":{"processId":25953,"rootPath":"/home/graham/dotfiles","rootUri":"file:///home/graham/dotfiles","capabilities":{},"trace":"off"}}
2017-08-10 22:10:54	gleachkr	My guess is that it's sending over as a root wherever it finds a `.git` directory.
2017-08-10 22:11:26	alanz	I think rootUri is taken as the preferred one
2017-08-10 22:11:38	alanz	but that should be the directory where the cabal file is
2017-08-10 22:11:43	alanz	or stack.yaml
2017-08-10 22:12:37	alanz	and strictly only one should be there, the rootPath is deprecated in favour of rootUri
2017-08-10 22:13:11	alanz	See https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/protocol.md#initialize-request
2017-08-10 22:13:16	alanz	a bit lower down
2017-08-10 22:14:22	alanz	ok, I just noticed in your message they are the same. But is the project in ~/dotfiles?
2017-08-10 22:14:39	gleachkr	Nope. It's a directory or two further in.
2017-08-10 22:14:48	gleachkr	So I'm guessing this is what is causing ghc-mod to fail.
2017-08-10 22:15:13	alanz	yes
2017-08-10 22:15:43	gleachkr	So perhaps I should ask the maintainer to make this configurable, rather than just looking for the nearest `.git`
2017-08-10 22:16:23	alanz	yes, in the emacs client that is one of the things that gets configured. And how to start the server
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2017-08-10 22:22:44	gleachkr	Thanks for your help. I'll see about getting those basic things patched on the client side, and then return to the problem of getting hie/nvim running in tricker settings. If I can pull it off, I'd be happy to put in a PR for the README.
2017-08-10 22:23:48	alanz	great, thanks
2017-08-10 22:24:12	alanz	The best thing about this stuff is fixing the client helps everyone who uses it, for any language
2017-08-10 22:53:22	gleachkr	OK, I patched the client to send over the correct root. ghc-mod still seems to have trouble, except under `stack exec`.
2017-08-10 22:53:36	gleachkr	Here's the initialization logging from the hie logs.
2017-08-10 22:54:12	gleachkr	haskell-lsp:Starting up server ...
2017-08-10 22:54:14	gleachkr	2017-08-10 12:19:03 [ThreadId 7] - ---> {"jsonrpc":"2.0","id":0,"method":"initialize","params":{"processId":30485,"rootPath":"/home/graham/dotfiles/home/.xmonad","rootUri":"file:///home/graham/dotfiles/home/.xmonad","capabilities":{},"trace":"off"}}
2017-08-10 22:54:16	gleachkr	2017-08-10 12:19:03 [ThreadId 7] - haskell-lsp:initializeRequestHandler: setting current dir to project root:/home/graham/dotfiles/home/.xmonad
2017-08-10 22:54:18	gleachkr	2017-08-10 12:19:03 [ThreadId 9] -
2017-08-10 22:54:20	gleachkr	<--2--{"result":{"capabilities":{"textDocumentSync":{"openClose":true,"change":2,"willSave":false,"willSaveWaitUntil":false,"save":{"includeText":false}},"hoverProvider":true,"completionProvider":{"resolveProvider":true,"triggerCharacters":["."]},"definitionProvider":true,"documentHighlightProvider":true,"documentSymbolProvider":true,"codeActionProvider":true,"documentFormattingProvider":true,"doc
2017-08-10 22:54:22	gleachkr	umentRangeFormattingProvider":true,"renameProvider":true,"executeCommandProvider":{"commands":["applyrefact:applyOne","hare:demote"]}}},"jsonrpc":"2.0","id":0}
2017-08-10 22:54:24	gleachkr	2017-08-10 12:19:47 [ThreadId 7] - ---> {"jsonrpc":"2.0","method":"textDocument/didSave","params":{"textDocument":{"uri":"file:///home/graham/dotfiles/home/.xmonad/xmonad.hs"}}}
2017-08-10 22:54:26	gleachkr	2017-08-10 12:19:47 [ThreadId 10] - ****** reactor: processing NotDidSaveTextDocument
2017-08-10 22:55:03	gleachkr	Then follows a bunch of information from hlint and ghc-mod, with the ghc-mod information complaining about failures to load interfaces.
2017-08-10 22:55:12	alanz	if you cd into the .xmonad dir, can you do a stack build there?
2017-08-10 22:55:48	alanz	because if you can't build it you will get the failure to load interfaces
2017-08-10 22:56:39	alanz	And we are about to be able to invoke a build from the client, thanks to arrowsvc . Just completing the merge for some other work wz1000 did
2017-08-10 22:57:02	gleachkr	It does build. There's a warning about one of the modules not being properly exposed. I'll fix that and try again.
2017-08-10 22:57:40	alanz	ok, that should not be a problem. Weird.
2017-08-10 22:57:49	alanz	Did you try it via vscode?
2017-08-10 22:58:15	gleachkr	Still no luck...
2017-08-10 22:58:22	alanz	because if so you can compare the logs between the two
2017-08-10 22:58:26	gleachkr	I haven't done that yet. Will do after lunch.
2017-08-10 22:58:45	 *	alanz about to have supper :)
2017-08-10 23:23:54	arrowsvc	Language.Haskell.LSP.TH.ClientCapabilities is problematic on FreeBSD too.
2017-08-10 23:24:00	arrowsvc	Damnation.
2017-08-10 23:25:01	alanz	arrowsvc: what do you mean?
2017-08-10 23:25:32	arrowsvc	[ 2 of 10] Compiling Language.Haskell.LSP.TH.ClientCapabilities ( src/Language/Haskell/LSP/TH/ClientCapabilities.hs, .stack-work/dist/x86_64-freebsd/Cabal-1.24.2.0/build/Language/Haskell/LSP/TH/ClientCapabilities.o )
2017-08-10 23:25:33	arrowsvc	    <command line>: can't load .so/.DLL for: libstdc++.so (Shared object "libstdc++.so" not found, required by "ghc")
2017-08-10 23:25:46	arrowsvc	But that's specific to FreeBSD, so don't bother.
2017-08-10 23:26:44	alanz	ok
2017-08-10 23:26:56	alanz	Are you running BSD as well as windows?
2017-08-10 23:28:15	alanz	arrowsvc: I merged your plugin into the incoming master, here is the change https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/commit/bd89b96bd3d5e24fae834b185548aeb723cb9d5f
2017-08-10 23:28:47	alanz	Can you see how https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/cleanup-rebased-2 works for you?
2017-08-10 23:29:00	alanz	I will be making a PR soon
2017-08-10 23:29:23	arrowsvc	Yep. I had BSD as my desktop for long time, but now it is on laptop only.
2017-08-10 23:32:19	alanz	ok. I have heard good things about it. But a small dev community, now
2017-08-10 23:34:19	arrowsvc	Not that small. Our packaging team, at least, is pretty big, according to stats: https://repology.org/
2017-08-10 23:35:30	alanz	interesting. Top of the fresh pile.
2017-08-11 00:06:56	gleachkr	Update: looks like the ghc-mod problem occurs in vscode as well.
2017-08-11 00:13:22	gleachkr	OK... there, that seems to be it. ghc-mod was ignoring the stack.yaml because of a setup file in dist.
2017-08-11 00:18:39	alanz	ok, so what is the current status?
2017-08-11 00:20:50	gleachkr	With the patch for the client's root finding, same as running under `stack exec`. No completion, rename, references, or workspace_symbol. Everything else seems to work, at least in a simple project.
2017-08-11 00:21:32	alanz	ok, can you try and see if any of those features are implemented in the client?
2017-08-11 00:21:52	alanz	or equivalently, if the appropriate message appears in the log
2017-08-11 00:21:59	gleachkr	They are at least supposed to be.
2017-08-11 00:22:25	alanz	can you confirm that they work via vscode?
2017-08-11 00:22:31	gleachkr	Sure, good idea.
2017-08-11 00:22:46	alanz	it is a good reference point, I find
2017-08-11 00:23:03	alanz	especially as it drives the spec, pretty much
2017-08-11 00:24:25	gleachkr	vscode: Completion works...
2017-08-11 00:24:31	alanz	ok
2017-08-11 00:24:54	alanz	as an aside, this gives you something in the log to compare
2017-08-11 00:25:10	alanz	if you want to tweak the neovim client
2017-08-11 00:25:31	gleachkr	Thanks, that's helpful.
2017-08-11 00:28:12	gleachkr	Sorry, how do you access the rename and references functionality in vscode?
2017-08-11 00:30:42	gleachkr	nvm.
2017-08-11 00:30:42	alanz	rename is f2
2017-08-11 00:30:49	gleachkr	Ok, that works too.
2017-08-11 00:30:57	alanz	and right click is your friend
2017-08-11 00:31:09	alanz	good
2017-08-11 00:31:23	 *	alanz not unduly surprised
2017-08-11 00:32:45	gleachkr	So, essentially it looks like everything is working in vscode, for a simple project.
2017-08-11 00:32:55	alanz	good.
2017-08-11 00:33:19	alanz	So now you can do the same in neovim, and look at messages if you are feeling adventurous
2017-08-11 00:33:25	alanz	and things don't work
2017-08-11 00:33:51	alanz	you might want to try vscode against your original project too
2017-08-11 00:34:33	gleachkr	Yes, let me try that next. Then I'll try to be systematic about getting two logs side-by-side on the simple project and comparing.
2017-08-11 00:34:47	alanz	ok
2017-08-11 00:35:10	alanz	do you know about jq?
2017-08-11 00:35:37	alanz	https://stedolan.github.io/jq/
2017-08-11 00:38:06	gleachkr	I do, but I hadn't been using it. Excellent idea.
2017-08-11 00:38:47	alanz	need well formed json though, the log has other stuff in it too
2017-08-11 00:39:07	alanz	but good for formatting individual messages.
2017-08-11 00:43:27	gleachkr	So, even in vscode, no luck with my other projects. In one case, I think that's because of ghc-mod being linked to a different ghc. 
2017-08-11 00:43:39	gleachkr	I get the following.
2017-08-11 00:43:45	gleachkr	hie: /home/graham/.stack/snapshots/x86_64-linux-nopie/lts-6.30/7.10.3/pkgdb/package.cache: GHC.PackageDb.readPackageDb: inappropriate type (Not a valid Unicode code point!)
2017-08-11 00:44:54	alanz	ok, I think that is expected.
2017-08-11 00:45:17	alanz	hie pretty much only supports ghc 8.0 and up at the moment
2017-08-11 00:45:49	alanz	And in time it will have to be managed like intero, which installs the version to match the stack resolver
2017-08-11 00:46:20	gleachkr	Right, that seems totally reasonable.
2017-08-11 00:46:37	alanz	We took a decision in haskell-lsp to use overloaded record fields. 
2017-08-11 00:46:56	alanz	Which puts a hard backward boundary, unless someone wants to rework it
2017-08-11 00:47:09	gleachkr	Well, I need to bump the resolver for that project anyway...
2017-08-11 00:47:15	alanz	by splitting each message into its own file, and using them qualified
2017-08-11 00:48:02	gleachkr	So, in the other project, I seem to be getting a lot of this: 
2017-08-11 00:48:19	gleachkr	[Error - 2:15:33 PM] Request textDocument/hover failed.  Message: IdeError {ideCode = PluginError, ideMessage = "getSymbolAtPoint: \"module not loaded\"", ideInfo = Null} Code: -32603 
2017-08-11 00:49:05	alanz	which one? the simple one?
2017-08-11 00:49:36	alanz	I actually think we should manage that more cleanly on our side. Only report it once per file update.
2017-08-11 00:49:48	gleachkr	No, more complicated one, but with the correct ghc.
2017-08-11 00:49:55	alanz	or send it through as a diagnostic
2017-08-11 00:50:05	alanz	ok, did you stack build it first?
2017-08-11 00:50:08	gleachkr	It's multi-package
2017-08-11 00:51:06	alanz	hie works with multip-package. E.g. the hie source
2017-08-11 01:04:20	gleachkr	Unfortunately, still getting similar errors in vscode after a fresh stack build.
2017-08-11 01:07:06	gleachkr	Actually, maybe it's a slightly different set of errors now. Mostly of the form:
2017-08-11 01:07:15	gleachkr	[Error - 2:36:31 PM] Request textDocument/documentHighlight failed.  Message: IdeError {ideCode = PluginError, ideMessage = "getReferencesInDoc: \"module not loaded\"", ideInfo = Null} Code: -32603 
2017-08-11 01:07:42	gleachkr	Er, nevermind, that's the same.
2017-08-11 01:13:47	alanz	"module not loaded" is the key
2017-08-11 01:13:52	alanz	is it a private project?
2017-08-11 01:17:34	gleachkr	Afraid so.
2017-08-11 01:19:22	alanz	pity
2017-08-11 01:20:27	alanz	if you give hie the "-d" option when it starts up it will spit out a mountain of stuff to stderr
2017-08-11 01:20:37	alanz	which shows up in a window in vscode
2017-08-11 01:20:48	alanz	and relates to ghc-mod trying to load things
2017-08-11 01:21:40	alanz	i.e. use this as the startup line: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/hie-vscode.sh#L15
2017-08-11 01:22:29	gleachkr	Thanks, I'll try that. I also noticed that there was a bit of setup file junk under dist. So I'm rebuilding a clean .stack-work.
2017-08-11 01:22:57	alanz	and rm -fr dist, dist-newstyle can't hurt either
2017-08-11 01:33:28	gleachkr	So, I think it's a general ghc-mod issue. I'm getting the same errors running ghc-mod on the command line and within the project. In both cases, it's something like 
2017-08-11 01:34:13	gleachkr	hie: /home/graham/projects/gbp-project/.stack-work/install/x86_64-linux-nopie/lts-8.11/8.0.2/lib/x86_64-linux-ghc-8.0.2/yaml-0.8.22-LO5Xnl3PGNEIi6xwK8OxNT/libHSyaml-0.8.22-LO5Xnl3PGNEIi6xwK8OxNT.a: unhandled ELF relocation(RelA) type 42
2017-08-11 01:34:15	gleachkr	hie: Could not on-demand load symbol 'simple_document_start'
2017-08-11 01:34:17	gleachkr	hie: /home/graham/projects/gbp-project/.stack-work/install/x86_64-linux-nopie/lts-8.11/8.0.2/lib/x86_64-linux-ghc-8.0.2/yaml-0.8.22-LO5Xnl3PGNEIi6xwK8OxNT/libHSyaml-0.8.22-LO5Xnl3PGNEIi6xwK8OxNT.a: unknown symbol `simple_document_start'
2017-08-11 01:34:19	gleachkr	hie: Could not on-demand load symbol 'yamlzm0zi8zi22zmLO5Xnl3PGNEIi6xwK8OxNT_TextziLibyaml_zdfShowEvent_closure'
2017-08-11 01:34:21	gleachkr	hie: /home/graham/projects/gbp-project/.stack-work/install/x86_64-linux-nopie/lts-8.11/8.0.2/lib/x86_64-linux-ghc-8.0.2/yaml-0.8.22-LO5Xnl3PGNEIi6xwK8OxNT/libHSyaml-0.8.22-LO5Xnl3PGNEIi6xwK8OxNT.a: unknown symbol `yamlzm0zi8zi22zmLO5Xnl3PGNEIi6xwK8OxNT_TextziLibyaml_zdfShowEvent_closure'
2017-08-11 01:34:23	gleachkr	hie: Could not on-demand load symbol 'yamlzm0zi8zi22zmLO5Xnl3PGNEIi6xwK8OxNT_DataziYamlziInternal_CyclicIncludes_closure'
2017-08-11 01:34:25	gleachkr	hie: /home/graham/projects/gbp-project/.stack-work/install/x86_64-linux-nopie/lts-8.11/8.0.2/lib/x86_64-linux-ghc-8.0.2/yaml-0.8.22-LO5Xnl3PGNEIi6xwK8OxNT/libHSyaml-0.8.22-LO5Xnl3PGNEIi6xwK8OxNT.a: unknown symbol `yamlzm0zi8zi22zmLO5Xnl3PGNEIi6xwK8OxNT_DataziYamlziInternal_CyclicIncludes_closure'
2017-08-11 01:34:27	gleachkr	hie: Could not on-demand load symbol 'yamlzm0zi8zi22zmLO5Xnl3PGNEIi6xwK8OxNT_DataziYamlziInclude_zdszdfMonadResourceStateT0_closure'
2017-08-11 01:34:29	gleachkr	hie: /home/graham/projects/gbp-project/.stack-work/install/x86_64-linux-nopie/lts-8.11/8.0.2/lib/x86_64-linux-ghc-8.0.2/yaml-0.8.22-LO5Xnl3PGNEIi6xwK8OxNT/libHSyaml-0.8.22-LO5Xnl3PGNEIi6xwK8OxNT.a: unknown symbol `yamlzm0zi8zi22zmLO5Xnl3PGNEIi6xwK8OxNT_DataziYamlziInclude_zdszdfMonadResourceStateT0_closure'
2017-08-11 01:34:31	gleachkr	hie: Could not on-demand load symbol 'yamlzm0zi8zi22zmLO5Xnl3PGNEIi6xwK8OxNT_DataziYamlziConfig_loadYamlSettings1_info'
2017-08-11 01:34:33	gleachkr	hie: /home/graham/projects/gbp-project/.stack-work/install/x86_64-linux-nopie/lts-8.11/8.0.2/lib/x86_64-linux-ghc-8.0.2/yesod-1.4.5-Fq1SEAQ5x8OKc2BUS6cJTp/libHSyesod-1.4.5-Fq1SEAQ5x8OKc2BUS6cJTp.a: unknown symbol `yamlzm0zi8zi22zmLO5Xnl3PGNEIi6xwK8OxNT_DataziYamlziConfig_loadYamlSettings1_info'
2017-08-11 01:34:35	gleachkr	hie: Could not on-demand load symbol 'yesodzm1zi4zi5zmFq1SEAQ5x8OKc2BUS6cJTp_YesodziDefaultziConfig2_configSettingsYml_closure'
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2017-08-11 01:35:31	alanz	I think "unhandled ELF relocation(RelA) type 42" indicates not using a nopie version of ghc
2017-08-11 01:36:07	alanz	https://github.com/gibiansky/IHaskell/issues/636
2017-08-11 01:36:30	gleachkr	Excellent, thank you! Let me see if that fixes it.
2017-08-11 01:36:37	alanz	https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/12147
2017-08-11 01:37:07	alanz	so i suspect you need to reinstall your ghc 8.0.2, via stack to get the no-pie one
2017-08-11 01:37:31	alanz	or tweak your config file by hand
2017-08-11 01:39:15	alanz	this is my settings file http://lpaste.net/2892905630589255680, for /opt/ghc/8.0.2/lib/ghc-8.0.2/settings
2017-08-11 01:39:57	alanz	but you will have to reinstall all your dependencies once you change that, to get the new flags
2017-08-11 01:40:18	alanz	so best to blowaway the store dir for 8.0.2 under stack
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2017-08-11 02:05:54	gleachkr	Sigh. No dice. Removed all ghc versions from `.stack/programs`, installed `ghc-nopie-8.0.2`, no change.
2017-08-11 02:07:24	gleachkr	Thanks for all your help with this. I worry I might be getting annoying. If you've got to call it a night or anything, let me know.
2017-08-11 02:07:30	alanz	did you rebuild all the deps with the nopie compiler?
2017-08-11 02:07:48	alanz	I still have about an hour before I go to bed :)
2017-08-11 02:09:05	gleachkr	Don't think so. Should I nuke `.stack-work`, or something under `.stack`?
2017-08-11 02:10:10	alanz	yes, did you not do that?
2017-08-11 02:10:32	gleachkr	Nope. One sec.
2017-08-11 02:12:01	alanz	ok, and something like ~/.stack/precompiled/* and/or ~/.stack/snapshots
2017-08-11 02:12:14	alanz	which means you will have to build the world
2017-08-11 02:12:32	alanz	else just nuke the ones in there pertaining to the compiler you have installed now
2017-08-11 02:15:30	gleachkr	Yeah, there we go... 197 packages to build.
2017-08-11 02:15:37	alanz	:)
2017-08-11 02:33:04	gleachkr	Bleh. Same result.
2017-08-11 02:33:48	alanz	I kinda feared that would be the case
2017-08-11 02:33:55	alanz	What operating system are you using?
2017-08-11 02:34:07	gleachkr	linux, running arch.
2017-08-11 02:35:51	alanz	ok, maybe search for stack/arch and see if anything comes up
2017-08-11 02:36:45	gleachkr	Yeah, thanks. I'll poke around a bit. I'll also see about getting some fixes to the nvim lsp client.
2017-08-11 02:37:08	alanz	https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/issues/3272
2017-08-11 02:37:12	alanz	may be related
2017-08-11 02:37:52	alanz	Or https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/6nlglg/arch_haskell/
2017-08-11 02:38:31	alanz	I think that second link may have the answer
2017-08-11 02:44:36	gleachkr	This looks promising: https://github.com/DanielG/ghc-mod/issues/762
2017-08-11 02:47:23	alanz	but that is quite old, and there has been a new stack release or two since then
2017-08-11 02:47:59	alanz	but anyway, it seems to be a known thing on arch
2017-08-11 02:50:42	gleachkr	Yeah, I guess so---I'll let you know if I can confirm that this or isn't is the issue.
2017-08-11 02:52:39	alanz	ok, thanks. You can do it here, I have a bouncer, and will look in the morning.
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2017-08-11 03:10:44	gleachkr	Yep, that was the issue. Making the changes to stack.yaml recommended in https://github.com/DanielG/ghc-mod/issues/762 and rebuilding yaml-0.8.22 did the trick. hie now works in the multi-package project with both vscode and nvim just like it did in the simpler project.
2017-08-11 03:11:14	gleachkr	So just need to fix the bugs in that client, and hie should work in nvim.
2017-08-11 03:11:39	gleachkr	Thanks again for all the help!
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2017-08-11 09:02:34	wz1000	gleachkr, alanz : workspace/symbol and textDocument/references aren't implemented yet. We have the file level equivalents textDocument/documentSymbols and textDocument/documentHighlight
2017-08-11 09:03:01	wz1000	So the errors for those aren't bugs in the client
2017-08-11 09:14:23	wz1000	alanz: I saw your build plugin patch. Thanks a lot. I feel better today so can resume working.
2017-08-11 09:14:44	wz1000	btw, did you add buildPluginDescriptor to the list of plugins in MainHie?
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2017-08-11 11:38:05	alanz	wz1000: yes, that was my second merge step. I first squashed all your commits to a single one, then rebased on master
2017-08-11 11:38:29	alanz	Which went cleanly, except for the new stuff for buildPlugin, which was simple.
2017-08-11 11:38:41	alanz	And then beating the actual buildPlugin into shape
2017-08-11 11:39:01	alanz	We need to re-run weeder on it too, I think I re-introduced vinly by mistake
2017-08-11 11:39:08	alanz	gleachkr: good to hear, great
2017-08-11 11:39:38	alanz	wz1000: I just got 0.15 of vscode installed too, via deb
2017-08-11 12:19:47	wz1000	alanz: so are you going to make a PR against haskell/ now or after ghc-mod core is ready?
2017-08-11 12:20:50	alanz	now, we are building against git commits anyway
2017-08-11 12:20:56	alanz	I will do it now, hold on
2017-08-11 12:21:13	alanz	And I have been talking to dxld re ghc-mod-core, and have a PR there too
2017-08-11 12:22:27	--	Notice(GitHub183): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #278: Rebase of @wz1000 cleanup branch (master...cleanup-rebased-2) https://git.io/v7yPJ
2017-08-11 12:23:09	alanz	wz1000. arrowsvc : I added you both as reviewers
2017-08-11 12:23:20	alanz	once you are both happy, it can go in
2017-08-11 12:23:48	alanz	And I just realised I have not added my ghc-mod-core stuff to it yet
2017-08-11 12:24:02	alanz	I figured we can bring this in first, then I will rebase that branch
2017-08-11 12:24:19	alanz	Which should be a lot simpler, as it is based on the cleanup branch already
2017-08-11 12:26:10	wz1000	alanz: btw, I wanted to make some changes to CachedModule - particularly removing newPosToOld and oldPosToNew
2017-08-11 12:27:04	wz1000	replacing them by the original (text) source we compiled against
2017-08-11 12:27:27	wz1000	And then these functions could be generated by diffing the current document against that source
2017-08-11 12:28:33	alanz	wz1000: I do not understand what you mean.
2017-08-11 12:28:53	alanz	And diff is a potentially expensive operation
2017-08-11 12:28:59	wz1000	wz1000: I want to remove newPosToOld and oldPosToNew from the cached module
2017-08-11 12:29:34	alanz	Yes, I understand that. 
2017-08-11 12:29:48	alanz	But what is the replacement mechanism?
2017-08-11 12:30:18	wz1000	instead we put the document content as text
2017-08-11 12:30:53	alanz	and then just use it directly.
2017-08-11 12:30:57	alanz	Ok, makes sense
2017-08-11 12:31:19	alanz	as text, or as a Yi.rope?
2017-08-11 12:31:29	wz1000	either
2017-08-11 12:31:59	alanz	I would suggest the rope, we can always get the text, and it allows easy line/col addressing etc
2017-08-11 12:32:31	alanz	Do you want to do that before I merge my change.
2017-08-11 12:32:55	alanz	Which allows you to do it all in hie, which should be easier
2017-08-11 12:35:34	wz1000	No, I think it can stay right now. I was just warning you since CachedModule has gone into ghc-mod core
2017-08-11 12:36:32	alanz	ok
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2017-08-11 14:14:53	Franciman	Hi
2017-08-11 14:25:15	wz1000	Franciman: hello
2017-08-11 14:25:26	Franciman	hi wz1000 
2017-08-11 14:28:14	Franciman	Hey, are you planning to add also something to support indentation? A bit like haskell-mode for emacs does
2017-08-11 14:33:00	wz1000	Franciman: perhaps - but it seems like the only way to achieve this would be using some kind of string matching. on the other hand, HIE really shines when you want to get some info out of GHC.
2017-08-11 14:40:46	alanz	wz1000: after plenty of wrestling I eventually squashed my branch to one commit and cherry picked it onto yours. It now passes tests. See https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/ghc-mod-core-2
2017-08-11 14:43:38	wz1000	alanz: nice. btw, the PR looks good, so you can merge once arrowsvc approves
2017-08-11 15:27:49	wz1000	alanz: I was just thinking about automatic indentation - stuff like megaparsec reports "expected tokens" at a given point. if we could get ghc to give us a list of expected tokens, we could figure out valid indentation levels
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2017-08-11 15:35:22	Franciman	wz1000, understood
2017-08-11 15:35:40	Franciman	Oh this seems ingenous way to procede. May I try to help?
2017-08-11 15:38:23	wz1000	Franciman: you're welcome to contribute, but I don't really know how alex/happy and ghcs parser work, and if this is even possible.
2017-08-11 15:38:53	alanz	wz1000: the haskell parser is pretty hairy
2017-08-11 15:39:07	Franciman	wz1000, if you'd like to explain a bit better your idea to me, I could make some tries
2017-08-11 15:39:14	alanz	I am hoping that once the incremental version gets going we will be able to bring in this kind of thing
2017-08-11 15:55:58	wz1000	Franciman: I don't think this approach would be feasible right now, I was just thinking out loud
2017-08-11 16:05:10	wz1000	alanz: should I merge?
2017-08-11 16:05:49	alanz	wz1000: if arrowsvc is ok with it
2017-08-11 16:05:55	alanz	I am happy to.
2017-08-11 16:06:39	wz1000	arrowsvc approved the changes on github
2017-08-11 16:09:24	alanz	ok,merge then
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2017-08-11 16:15:06	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/278#discussion_r132659411
2017-08-11 16:15:13	wz1000	fix it after the merge?
2017-08-11 16:15:46	alanz	yes. I had that idea too
2017-08-11 16:16:01	alanz	but wanted to make as few changes as possible
2017-08-11 16:17:34	wz1000	ok, merging
2017-08-11 16:18:57	--	Notice(GitHub119): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 closed pull request #278: Rebase of @wz1000 cleanup branch (master...cleanup-rebased-2) https://git.io/v7yPJ
2017-08-11 16:18:57	--	Notice(GitHub157): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/v7yhH
2017-08-11 16:18:57	--	Notice(GitHub157): haskell-ide-engine/master f0aa18f Zubin Duggal: Major cleanup: Removed old plugin api and unused transports, files, deps, added new plugin api...
2017-08-11 16:18:57	--	Notice(GitHub157): haskell-ide-engine/master bd89b96 Alan Zimmerman: Update buildPlugin to match new architecture...
2017-08-11 16:18:57	--	Notice(GitHub157): haskell-ide-engine/master c484d15 wz1000: Merge pull request #278 from alanz/cleanup-rebased-2...
2017-08-11 16:20:26	alanz	wz1000: should I make a PR of my ghc-mod-core change too now?
2017-08-11 16:24:08	wz1000	alanz: ok
2017-08-11 16:25:54	--	Notice(GitHub25): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #280: Bring in ghc-mod-core (master...ghc-mod-core-2) https://git.io/v7yjG
2017-08-11 16:26:02	wz1000	alanz: this can also be merged now: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/pull/4
2017-08-11 16:26:11	alanz	And I look forward to a period of stability going forward. Fingers crossed.
2017-08-11 16:26:31	alanz	All these merge/rebase/cherry-pick things got quite hairy
2017-08-11 16:27:02	wz1000	yes
2017-08-11 16:27:21	alanz	but it is done, that's the main thing.
2017-08-11 16:27:35	alanz	basically 3 different features coming in at the same time.
2017-08-11 16:30:55	wz1000	alanz: for my changes to CachedModule, should I work against HIE:master or ghc-mod-core?
2017-08-11 16:33:22	alanz	I don't mind. It is probably easier to do it in hie master,as all the code is in one place.
2017-08-11 16:33:50	alanz	But doing it against ghc-mod-core would simplify the future, as no additional merge step would be required
2017-08-11 16:33:53	alanz	your choice
2017-08-11 16:36:00	wz1000	alanz: why do we need the FileUri type in ghc-mod-core? cant it just use FilePaths instead? because we have to convert the lsp uri into that type in either case
2017-08-11 16:36:37	alanz	wz1000: I agree.
2017-08-11 16:37:05	alanz	I was initially just converting the Uri to a local version, but came to that same conclusion
2017-08-11 16:37:37	alanz	That way ghc-mod always works with files only
2017-08-11 16:38:54	alanz	and I just tried to run the ghc-mod-core-2 branch and got an error. investigating
2017-08-11 16:39:20	alanz	logging not initialised. ok
2017-08-11 16:44:05	alanz	And I can confirm master is fine
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2017-08-11 16:54:19	alanz	wz1000: I was thinking, we have the version string in MainHie. We should put it into the startup messaging somehow, so that it is at least in the log, or perhaps a pop-up like the hoogle db
2017-08-11 16:54:26	alanz	or just expose a command to get it
2017-08-11 16:54:53	wz1000	alanz: I think the base plugin exposes it
2017-08-11 16:55:04	alanz	yes, you are right
2017-08-11 16:55:44	alanz	but I would like to see it appear regardless of client. Not sure what the best way is though. In fact, I think hie logs it on startup
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2017-08-11 17:00:35	wz1000	alanz: you can merge the insert type vscode PR too now.
2017-08-11 17:01:14	alanz	ok
2017-08-11 17:01:52	alanz	done
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2017-08-11 17:40:13	alanz	wz1000: I rebuild my PR branch, and it is fine, so you can merge once you are happy with it. OR comment if not
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2017-08-11 17:49:28	wz1000	alanz: done
2017-08-11 17:49:34	alanz	thanks
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2017-08-11 17:51:10	wz1000	hmm, the bot didn't kick in
2017-08-11 17:54:20	alanz	which one? the github merge bot?
2017-08-11 18:30:11	wz1000	yes
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2017-08-11 19:10:22	arrowsvc	I wonder what's so special about this Language.Haskell.LSP.TH.DataTypesJson.
2017-08-11 19:10:59	arrowsvc	When ghc is compiling it, it pulls in various libraries, which it isn't using otherwise.
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2017-08-11 19:11:39	arrowsvc	On windows it is that ms-core-localization.dll thing and on FreeBSD it look for libstdc++ for some reason.
2017-08-11 19:11:54	arrowsvc	Any ideas why compiling this module would require C++ standard library?
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2017-08-11 19:30:54	alanz	arrowsvc: the TH perhaps?
2017-08-11 19:31:16	alanz	there is a way to do it with generics instead, perhaps try that
2017-08-11 19:31:54	alanz	like the JSON instances in the build plugin
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2017-08-11 19:33:51	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/TH/DataTypesJSON.hs#L271 is the same as https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-build-plugin/Haskell/Ide/BuildPlugin.hs#L174
2017-08-11 19:34:31	alanz	I am not sure what makeFieldsNoPrefix does though
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2017-08-11 19:46:41	arrowsvc	Sigh.
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2017-08-11 19:54:10	arrowsvc	Shiiiiiieeeet, found it.
2017-08-11 19:54:30	arrowsvc	That was damned charsetdetect-ae.
2017-08-11 19:54:58	arrowsvc	extra-libraries: stdc++
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2017-08-11 20:19:10	alanz	where is that used?
2017-08-11 20:19:41	alanz	ah, copied from phoityne, the source includes non-western characters. Japanese, I think.
2017-08-11 20:19:45	alanz	?
2017-08-11 20:20:39	Franciman	What do you think about LSP? Is it good to serve its purpose in your opinion?
2017-08-11 20:23:16	arrowsvc	This was pulled in by GHC when compiling DataTypesJson.hs
2017-08-11 20:27:39	alanz	arrowsvc: ok
2017-08-11 20:27:45	alanz	Franciman: I think so
2017-08-11 20:28:00	alanz	It allows a separation of concerns. 
2017-08-11 20:28:17	alanz	You can write tools, and have them usable in a lot of environments
2017-08-11 20:28:29	alanz	without having to do the integration yourself.
2017-08-11 20:57:10	Franciman	alanz, cool
2017-08-11 20:57:30	Franciman	I love the idea too, hope it'll be effective and used by many
2017-08-11 20:57:32	alanz	Franciman: what ide/editor do you use?
2017-08-11 20:57:35	Franciman	kakoune
2017-08-11 20:58:01	alanz	Is there LSP support in that?
2017-08-11 20:58:37	Franciman	work in progress
2017-08-11 20:59:27	alanz	https://github.com/danr/libkak ?
2017-08-11 20:59:43	 *	alanz is troubled by what kak means in Afrikaans
2017-08-11 20:59:44	Franciman	yeah
2017-08-11 20:59:56	Franciman	ahah
2017-08-11 21:00:10	Franciman	yeah also in italian it's not so cool name
2017-08-11 21:00:16	alanz	:)
2017-08-11 21:00:21	Franciman	especially in some dialects :P
2017-08-11 21:00:33	alanz	similar, I am sure. Or worse.
2017-08-11 21:01:25	alanz	but the nice thing about the work in progress, is that it benefits all users of kakoune, for languages with a server
2017-08-11 21:02:05	Franciman	yeah!
2017-08-11 21:02:10	Franciman	Actually I think that libkak is k
2017-08-11 21:02:13	Franciman	kind of complete
2017-08-11 21:02:27	alanz	are you using it for haskell?
2017-08-11 21:02:30	Franciman	but it won't be merged into kakoune default set of scripts because it uses python
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2017-08-11 21:02:39	Franciman	libkak or kakoune?
2017-08-11 21:02:53	alanz	what is the normal extension lang?
2017-08-11 21:03:00	 *	arrowsvc rofling as "kak" also means something in russian
2017-08-11 21:03:05	alanz	kakoune with LSP and haskell/hie
2017-08-11 21:03:06	Franciman	ahahah
2017-08-11 21:03:12	Franciman	oh ok, not yet
2017-08-11 21:03:15	arrowsvc	And kakoune sound super fun too.
2017-08-11 21:03:26	Franciman	it's scripting language is ... its editing commands
2017-08-11 21:03:27	Franciman	plus
2017-08-11 21:03:37	arrowsvc	Remining me of libcaca and libpipi.
2017-08-11 21:03:42	Franciman	there are expansion string
2017-08-11 21:03:55	Franciman	and there you can execute sh commands
2017-08-11 21:04:27	Franciman	the goal is to make it work on all posix machines. The problem is not in python itself, but just the fact that libkak would require python
2017-08-11 21:04:31	Franciman	interpreter
2017-08-11 21:05:05	Franciman	and something like LSP support I guess, is better without this requirement, if possible
2017-08-11 21:05:09	Franciman	just my opinion though
2017-08-11 21:05:23	Franciman	<arrowsvc> Remining me of libcaca and libpipi. <- ahahah
2017-08-11 21:05:29	Franciman	looks like there are some universal words
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2017-08-11 21:17:20	alanz	gleachkr_: nice on https://github.com/autozimu/LanguageClient-neovim/pull/90#issuecomment-321848473
2017-08-11 21:20:37	wz1000	alanz: I get this with hie on GhcPkg.hs when I try to use it with ghc-mod-core
2017-08-11 21:20:53	wz1000	http://lpaste.net/357612
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2017-08-11 21:33:29	wz1000	alanz: ok, so I tried building ghc-mod-core in a sandbox and got this: http://lpaste.net/357614
2017-08-11 21:33:52	wz1000	alanz: it seems like you didn't move over CabalHelper.hs
2017-08-11 21:35:50	wz1000	nvm, I somehow managed to delete that
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2017-08-11 21:39:05	wz1000	alanz: btw, the timestamp in the logs is in utc. I think it would be better if that were changed to the system timezone
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2017-08-11 22:08:21	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/pull/2
2017-08-11 22:20:50	arrowsvc	I just wanted to compile HIE on FreeBSD. Now hacking on GHC internals again. RTS this time.
2017-08-11 22:20:53	arrowsvc	Sigh.
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2017-08-11 22:23:08	wz1000	are there issues other than the stdc++ thing?
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2017-08-11 23:11:25	arrowsvc	I've turned charsetdetect-ae from libstdc++ to libc++, but on FreeBSD it is a linker script and GHC chokes on this. And you know why? Because GHC uses regexp to determine if dlopen() failed due to file being a linker script. And this regexp is wrong for FreeBSD.
2017-08-11 23:11:31	arrowsvc	So, recompiling ghc now.
2017-08-11 23:34:33	alanz	arrowsvc: when you are done, file a bug/patch for ghc
2017-08-11 23:37:39	alanz	wz1000: can I look at that PR in the morning? tied up with other stuff atm
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2017-08-12 00:05:22	arrowsvc	Ok, that didn't fix things =\
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2017-08-12 12:33:06	arrowsvc	Ok, it seems I finally overcome that linking crap.
2017-08-12 12:33:11	arrowsvc	But now
2017-08-12 12:33:13	arrowsvc	root@default-ghc:~/haskell-ide-engine # stack exec -- hie -c -r .
2017-08-12 12:33:15	arrowsvc	hie: Must call withStdoutLogging or withStderrLogging
2017-08-12 12:33:16	arrowsvc	CallStack (from HasCallStack):
2017-08-12 12:33:18	arrowsvc	  error, called at ./Haskell/Ide/Engine/MonadFunctions.hs:73:15 in hie-plugin-api-0.1.0.0-Be9nWH6c9i775KhWNYwzSH:Haskell.Ide.Engine.MonadFunctions
2017-08-12 12:37:15	wz1000	oops, we broke something
2017-08-12 12:40:18	wz1000	alanz: ^ I think this has something to do with your loggin changes in the ghc-mod-core branch
2017-08-12 12:40:37	wz1000	We got an issue report on github too
2017-08-12 13:13:37	wz1000	alanz: any idea what the problem is?
2017-08-12 13:50:16	alanz	arrowsvc: I had that too, use the latest master
2017-08-12 13:50:38	alanz	wz1000: ^^
2017-08-12 13:59:50	 *	alanz checking
2017-08-12 14:03:15	alanz	something odd is happening
2017-08-12 14:06:18	wz1000	alanz: I can't reproduce it either
2017-08-12 14:06:33	wz1000	maybe it effects non linux platforms?
2017-08-12 14:06:50	alanz	ok, I had it from an earlier branch, then merged my changes and tested and it was ok. 
2017-08-12 14:07:09	alanz	But I just rebuilt it to check this morning and vscode is hanging with it. 
2017-08-12 14:07:23	alanz	But there was an update yesterday, so may be vscode
2017-08-12 14:07:49	alanz	wz1000: good to hear it is working for you, will see what happens for arrowsvc on current master
2017-08-12 14:07:59	alanz	In the meantime I will dig into my side
2017-08-12 14:09:21	arrowsvc	# git pull
2017-08-12 14:09:22	arrowsvc	Already up-to-date.
2017-08-12 14:09:52	alanz	and seeing that problem?
2017-08-12 14:10:01	alanz	obviously.
2017-08-12 14:11:08	alanz	ok, I screwed up the merge of MonadFunctions, fastlogger is gone. Will fix and sort out
2017-08-12 14:12:01	alanz	I hit this yesterday, held off my merge, then rebuilt and it was ok. I obv built the wrong thing at that point.
2017-08-12 14:12:03	alanz	Sorry
2017-08-12 14:24:58	--	Notice(GitHub161): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #282: Fix merge error, use hslogger only (master...master) https://git.io/v797u
2017-08-12 14:25:18	alanz	arrowsvc, wz1000 : see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/282
2017-08-12 14:28:20	wz1000	alanz: looks good.
2017-08-12 14:28:31	alanz	it works for me locally.
2017-08-12 14:28:46	alanz	I guess we are missing a top-level test, which invokes the exe
2017-08-12 14:29:11	alanz	Time to write that as part of a client framework in haskell-lsp
2017-08-12 14:29:39	alanz	Except I will only be able to tackle it later myself, I basically have this coming week before travelling for 3 weeks
2017-08-12 14:39:33	alanz	oops, I broke the tests now. Let me do a proper job. That commit gets the exe working so you can carry on so long, will fix the rest.
2017-08-12 14:39:39	alanz	More haste, less speed :(
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2017-08-12 15:01:55	alanz	The PR is updated, tests pass locally, waiting for CI
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2017-08-12 15:04:56	alanz	wz1000: I merged your ghc-mod(-core) PR on my repo
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2017-08-12 16:18:39	--	Notice(GitHub181): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #282: Fix merge error, use hslogger only (master...master) https://git.io/v797u
2017-08-12 16:18:41	--	Notice(GitHub31): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/v79N1
2017-08-12 16:18:42	--	Notice(GitHub31): haskell-ide-engine/master 5ca145f Alan Zimmerman: Fix merge error, use hslogger only
2017-08-12 16:18:42	--	Notice(GitHub31): haskell-ide-engine/master 232671a Alan Zimmerman: Use hslogger in tests too
2017-08-12 16:18:42	--	Notice(GitHub31): haskell-ide-engine/master 2dfb5d8 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #282 from alanz/master...
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2017-08-12 18:17:21	alanz	I think sometime soon we should consider making a project goal that all files are formatted via brittany.
2017-08-12 18:17:39	alanz	As we are getting diverging whitespace stuff here and there
2017-08-12 18:30:32	alanz	arrowsvc: nice. https://phabricator.haskell.org/D3840
2017-08-12 18:41:32	arrowsvc	As well as https://phabricator.haskell.org/D3841
2017-08-12 18:41:53	 *	arrowsvc -> offline until tomorrow.
2017-08-12 18:41:58	arrowsvc	See ya.
2017-08-12 18:42:03	alanz	enjoy
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2017-08-12 19:29:54	alanz	wz1000: I have found another corner case for symbol highlighting. The "p" in https://github.com/Yuras/tide/blob/master/src/Lex.hs#L109 works, but the usage in the case expression in the line below does not
2017-08-12 19:30:52	alanz	But "peek definition" resolves it correctly.
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2017-08-12 19:35:03	alanz	And as an aside, using vscode/hie to explore unfamiliar code is *awesome*
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2017-08-12 20:19:20	wz1000	alanz: I just cloned that repo. works fine for me
2017-08-12 20:47:55	alanz	ok, its actually one I modified slightly, will push mine, and you can see what you get
2017-08-12 20:49:51	alanz	wz1000: it works for me too. I had introduced a compilation error, and was not aware of it.
2017-08-12 20:49:53	alanz	Sorry.
2017-08-12 20:55:55	wz1000	what I really like is the amount of info HIE is able to provide even after a compilation error if the module was already cached
2017-08-12 21:01:17	alanz	yes, its so good that I did not even realise it :)
2017-08-12 21:01:30	alanz	And having the documentation on hand on hover is awesome.
2017-08-12 21:01:41	alanz	As is "peek definition"
2017-08-12 21:06:56	alanz	wz1000: if I select a symbol, is there any way to find all usages of it in the project?
2017-08-12 21:08:44	wz1000	alanz: we don't have project wide references yet. That is what the recent change to 
2017-08-12 21:08:56	wz1000	*PR to ghc-mod was aimed at
2017-08-12 21:09:09	alanz	ok, I figured that was the case.
2017-08-12 21:09:15	wz1000	alanz: https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/6t7by2/current_state_of_ides_for_haskell_vimemacs_etc/dlit9ja/
2017-08-12 21:09:26	wz1000	finally made a reddit account
2017-08-12 21:09:47	alanz	BTW, that tide thing may just give us syntax highlighting as a byproduct, as I adapt it for haskell/VFS
2017-08-12 21:10:44	wz1000	alanz: if you want in document references, all the document highlights should be indicated in white on the vscode scroll bar
2017-08-12 21:10:48	alanz	except syntax highlighting is not part of the spec
2017-08-12 21:11:20	alanz	ok, thanks. I was more interested in project-wide. But straight search is good enough
2017-08-12 21:12:08	wz1000	the rust folks have a lot of extensions to their lsp implementation
2017-08-12 21:12:57	alanz	extensions to the protocol?
2017-08-12 21:13:16	alanz	I hope they are feeding them back as PRs
2017-08-12 21:13:34	alanz	and it is a big community, so we should be able to make use of them too, as time passes
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2017-08-12 21:22:10	Franciman	Hi
2017-08-12 21:22:28	alanz	Franciman: hi
2017-08-12 21:22:39	Franciman	I am trying to compile haskell-ide-engine
2017-08-12 21:22:46	Franciman	can I use cabal as well?
2017-08-12 21:22:49	alanz	no
2017-08-12 21:23:01	Franciman	(Because I updated cabal & ghc and now stack fails to compile because of one of its dependencies)
2017-08-12 21:23:09	Franciman	oh, perfect
2017-08-12 21:23:14	alanz	we make extensive use of stack dependencies to individual git repository/commit
2017-08-12 21:23:47	alanz	you should be able to install stack as a binary
2017-08-12 21:23:57	alanz	from their download zone, wherever it is
2017-08-12 21:24:14	Franciman	will ghc 8.2.1 be good?
2017-08-12 21:24:31	alanz	no, HIE only works with 8.0.2
2017-08-12 21:24:46	alanz	but doing "stack setup" in the dir will download the compiler for you
2017-08-12 21:24:59	alanz	into ~/.stack somewhere
2017-08-12 21:25:49	Franciman	yeah I know
2017-08-12 21:25:59	Franciman	for now I can't then
2017-08-12 21:26:18	alanz	ok
2017-08-12 21:26:55	Franciman	I have very slow internet
2017-08-12 21:26:57	Franciman	:/
2017-08-12 21:27:00	Franciman	thank you anyways
2017-08-12 21:27:30	alanz	ok. Maybe set up an overnight download.
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2017-08-12 23:53:24	Franciman	alanz, I made it! If I want to try hie's lsp capabilities how can I do?
2017-08-12 23:53:54	alanz	Your best bet is to use vscode
2017-08-12 23:54:17	alanz	https://code.visualstudio.com/
2017-08-12 23:54:28	Franciman	what if I wanted to use it to test my lsp implementation?
2017-08-12 23:55:44	alanz	what do you mean by that? a client? a server?
2017-08-12 23:55:49	Franciman	client
2017-08-12 23:56:08	alanz	stack install hie, then start it as "hie --lsp"
2017-08-12 23:56:13	Franciman	thank you
2017-08-12 23:56:39	alanz	And for debugging, "hie -d -l /tmp/path-to-log --lsp"
2017-08-12 23:57:32	alanz	Franciman: what client is it?
2017-08-12 23:57:41	 *	alanz suspect I have already asked this
2017-08-12 23:57:59	Franciman	it's a plugin per the kakoune editor
2017-08-12 23:58:02	Franciman	or at least an attempo
2017-08-12 23:58:04	Franciman	attempt*
2017-08-12 23:58:10	alanz	thats right
2017-08-12 23:58:18	alanz	Was about to say that
2017-08-12 23:58:37	Franciman	yeah I guess I already said that
2017-08-12 23:58:41	alanz	good luck. vscode is a good reference implementation, to check expected messaging, function usage etc
2017-08-12 23:59:55	Franciman	thank you
2017-08-13 00:02:50	Franciman	alanz, a last question, where can I see vscode's implementation ?
2017-08-13 00:02:54	Franciman	it's in the main repo?
2017-08-13 00:04:27	alanz	Thats a good question. There is a node module that does it, called  vscode-languageclient
2017-08-13 00:04:51	alanz	which is either in the microsoft repo or wherever node modules live
2017-08-13 00:05:40	alanz	https://www.npmjs.com/package/vscode-languageclient
2017-08-13 00:06:34	Franciman	oh great, thank you very much again
2017-08-13 00:13:50	wz1000	alanz: I think this page needs to be updated: https://haskell.github.io/haskell-ide-engine/
2017-08-13 00:14:35	alanz	wz1000: yes, or deleted. It is the one that was being populated by that docbuilder which has now been removed
2017-08-13 00:15:12	alanz	I am not one for that kind of thing, so if it is left to me I would delete it.
2017-08-13 00:15:16	alanz	FYI :)
2017-08-13 00:17:35	wz1000	alanz: well, it wouldn't be too hard to generate the docs.
2017-08-13 00:18:06	alanz	but are they still relevant? I suppose now we have JsonStdio back they are.
2017-08-13 00:18:32	wz1000	and for executeCommand
2017-08-13 00:18:39	alanz	true
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2017-08-13 20:11:19	alanz	wz1000: I am looking at the new executeCommand wire format.  You are using the type as the top level tag. What happens if we have more than one param of the same type?
2017-08-13 20:15:37	wz1000	alanz: what do you mean?
2017-08-13 20:23:11	wz1000	type as the top level tag?
2017-08-13 20:40:19	alanz	I see the type command with params of "file": and "pos":
2017-08-13 20:40:53	alanz	But I need to check. I am updating my emacs client, and it used to have the param name as the key, then the typed value
2017-08-13 20:41:06	alanz	Which I think is the way the rest of the API does it
2017-08-13 20:43:05	alanz	wz1000: See https://gist.github.com/alanz/bca2269e4022fdf42a7f38d5f6568a3d
2017-08-13 20:43:32	alanz	But I am still looking into it
2017-08-13 20:47:13	alanz	arguments can be anything, but I think consistency with the rest would make sense
2017-08-13 20:54:04	alanz	wz1000: ok, I see what is happening, it is up to the individual command FromJSON/ToJSON to make sense of the args
2017-08-13 20:54:12	alanz	so we can do what we need. 
2017-08-13 21:00:08	wz1000	alanz: yeah, and the arguments field of the json is always a singleton list
2017-08-13 21:00:27	wz1000	that contains the actual JSON argument to the command.
2017-08-13 21:00:43	alanz	yes, that part is fine, it is the next layer down that worried me. But it looks good.
2017-08-13 21:01:10	alanz	I basically got tired of emacs not being up to scratch, want to use hie in it :)
2017-08-13 21:01:21	alanz	because vscode is not emacs
2017-08-13 21:01:36	wz1000	I tried a while ago, and it was quite sluggish
2017-08-13 21:02:53	alanz	ok, probably the initial startup. It should be no slower than vscode
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2017-08-13 23:18:05	Franciman	Hey people, I have a few questions about lsp. When I send an "initialize" message, is it recorded in the logs?
2017-08-13 23:21:33	alanz	Franciman: yes, have you looked?
2017-08-13 23:22:09	Franciman	yes. It was to be 100% sure. It's my implementation wrong :)
2017-08-13 23:22:12	Franciman	Thank you
2017-08-13 23:22:41	alanz	vscode as a reference ....
2017-08-13 23:25:43	Franciman	yeah, you're right
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2017-08-14 00:10:59	Orimion	Hello everyone
2017-08-14 00:17:27	alanz	Orimion: hello
2017-08-14 00:23:27	Orimion	I tried following the hie installation on github, but while activating the extension with vscode I got a  "the extension cannot start: spawn unknown" error
2017-08-14 00:28:36	alanz	wz1000: sorted out the emacs stuff, see https://github.com/alanz/lsp-haskell/commit/d8fe87ecf83dab1d60549d8393207da18b3354ca
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2017-08-14 01:52:52	--	Notice(GitHub73): [haskell-ide-engine] gleachkr opened pull request #284: Add neovim usage instructions to README (master...nvim_in_README) https://git.io/v7Qca
2017-08-14 01:53:45	alanz	gleachkr_: thanks
2017-08-14 01:53:48	--	Notice(GitHub89): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #284: Add neovim usage instructions to README (master...nvim_in_README) https://git.io/v7Qca
2017-08-14 01:53:52	--	Notice(GitHub55): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/v7Qcr
2017-08-14 01:53:52	--	Notice(GitHub55): haskell-ide-engine/master 3bd3987 gleachkr: Add neovim usage instructions to README
2017-08-14 01:53:52	--	Notice(GitHub55): haskell-ide-engine/master 7f53cf7 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #284 from gleachkr/nvim_in_README...
2017-08-14 01:55:03	gleachkr_	alanz: just a heads up. I got autocompletion working with hie in nvim, and the haskell-project handling code has been merged into the current lsp client.
2017-08-14 01:55:16	alanz	nice
2017-08-14 01:55:34	gleachkr_	:thumbsup:
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2017-08-14 02:26:36	Orimion	I get a spawn unknown error in vscode when activating the extension
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2017-08-14 02:34:54	alanz	Orimion: what operating system are you on?
2017-08-14 02:35:03	alanz	and what version of vscode?
2017-08-14 02:42:04	Orimion	windows v1.15
2017-08-14 02:43:51	alanz	ok, that is out of my zone. I suspect it is because there is only a hie-vscode.sh which does not work on windows
2017-08-14 02:44:37	alanz	there needs to be an equivalent hie-vscode.bat, I presume
2017-08-14 02:44:45	Orimion	alright thanks
2017-08-14 02:45:09	alanz	if you manage to make one, please consider a PR
2017-08-14 02:45:30	alanz	else we must wait for a windows user to sort it out. I run linux only
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2017-08-14 08:41:40	wz1000	alanz: looks good
2017-08-14 08:47:21	wz1000	Lierdakil: can we link to your atom plugin from the HIE readme?
2017-08-14 08:49:33	Lierdakil	wz1000: It's not published and frankly is a bit of a quick-and-dirty solution to get something to work
2017-08-14 08:50:04	Lierdakil	So I would advise against
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2017-08-14 09:54:57	wz1000	Lierdakil: IIRC, you wanted to use hie in ide-haskelll. what do we need to do to clear the way for that?
2017-08-14 11:16:26	Lierdakil	wz1000: I'll try to play around and prototype something sometime this week.
2017-08-14 11:16:43	Lierdakil	Not entirely sure if hie is missing something at this point
2017-08-14 11:16:50	Lierdakil	Probably nothing major
2017-08-14 11:17:15	Lierdakil	I just didn't find time to make it happen yet =\
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2017-08-14 14:23:13	wz1000	arrowsvc: did you get the new JsonStdio to work?
2017-08-14 14:29:05	arrowsvc	Haven't a chance yet, have been busy with GHC bugs on FreeBSD.
2017-08-14 14:29:23	arrowsvc	I probably should get back to windows.
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2017-08-14 17:10:54	wz1000	alanz: I was trying to get the hare commands into the vscode extenstion
2017-08-14 17:11:21	wz1000	but ran into a bug
2017-08-14 17:12:47	wz1000	applyEdit requeires that all edit ranges be non overlapping
2017-08-14 17:13:09	wz1000	but we send overlapping ranges sometimes
2017-08-14 17:13:34	wz1000	like this for example: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/test/HaRePluginSpec.hs#L149
2017-08-14 17:19:23	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/vscode-hie-server/commit/8d3393cfb05ec171dff92c5e00f8a26bb3892cf4
2017-08-14 17:21:15	alanz	ok.
2017-08-14 17:21:26	alanz	That is the naive diff conversion.
2017-08-14 17:21:38	alanz	Where the one line is replaced with another
2017-08-14 17:21:50	alanz	perhaps we need to explicitly deal with that
2017-08-14 17:22:08	alanz	perhaps even by post-processing it
2017-08-14 17:23:45	wz1000	alanz: can the emacs client handle overlapping edits?
2017-08-14 17:26:23	alanz	yes
2017-08-14 17:27:51	alanz	btw, you need my (unpushed) commit to get the incremental changes to come through from emacs-lsp
2017-08-14 17:28:12	alanz	which I will push a bit later, need to separate it out first
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2017-08-14 17:46:31	Franciman	Hello
2017-08-14 17:46:59	Franciman	After I send something to stdin to hie, I get: <stdin>: hGetBuf: invalid argument (Invalid argument)
2017-08-14 17:47:23	Franciman	does this mean I'm doing something wrong with the json format, or it's internal stuff of read operations?
2017-08-14 17:49:23	alanz	where do you get that?
2017-08-14 17:51:00	Franciman	to stdout
2017-08-14 17:59:12	Franciman	ok, issue solved
2017-08-14 17:59:28	Franciman	it was the pipe closed
2017-08-14 18:01:07	alanz	:)
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2017-08-14 22:31:56	arrowsvc	wz1000: On fbsd:
2017-08-14 22:31:58	arrowsvc	stack exec -- hie -c -r .
2017-08-14 22:31:59	arrowsvc	2017-08-14 17:01:19 [ThreadId 7] - run entered for HIE Version 0.1.0.0, Git revision 7f53cf7d362fe0457825b0a7ba6bfc8b3c50b886 (dirty) (965 commits) x86_64
2017-08-14 22:32:01	arrowsvc	2017-08-14 17:01:19 [ThreadId 7] - Current directory:/root/haskell-ide-engine
2017-08-14 22:32:10	arrowsvc	And the process quited.
2017-08-14 22:34:13	alanz	arrowsvc: I suggest you add more logging in MainHie.hs to track down what is happening
2017-08-14 22:41:44	arrowsvc	With --lsp it launches successfully.
2017-08-14 22:42:02	arrowsvc	So, there is something inside json stdio dispatcher.
2017-08-14 22:42:46	arrowsvc	transport*
2017-08-14 22:43:55	arrowsvc	And it exits with code 0.
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2017-08-14 23:29:00	arrowsvc	The process seems to exit at JsonStdio.hs:79
2017-08-14 23:29:02	arrowsvc	_opid <- forkIO $ outWriter rout
2017-08-14 23:29:53	alanz	Let me take a look
2017-08-14 23:31:40	alanz	arrowsvc: if you log something after that line, what happens? even just doing hPutStrLn stderr, if not in the monad
2017-08-14 23:31:57	alanz	because it looks like it should be benign
2017-08-14 23:36:52	arrowsvc	Rebuilding with --trace ATM, stand by.
2017-08-14 23:37:15	alanz	what does --trace do?
2017-08-14 23:37:41	arrowsvc	Docs said it would allow printing pretty stack traces in case of failures.
2017-08-14 23:37:49	arrowsvc	I thought it might tell me something.
2017-08-14 23:38:07	alanz	ok, sounds good. I seem to recall requiring running with -xc too
2017-08-14 23:38:12	alanz	Whatever that does
2017-08-14 23:38:51	alanz	stupid question, is the undefined still in?
2017-08-14 23:47:34	alanz	arrowsvc: ^^
2017-08-14 23:48:45	arrowsvc	Uhm. I didn't get the question.
2017-08-14 23:49:54	alanz	when I merged that code there was a function body of "undefined"
2017-08-14 23:50:11	alanz	But that was in your build module, never mind
2017-08-14 23:51:22	arrowsvc	Don't even remember that ._.
2017-08-14 23:51:52	alanz	arrowsvc: I know what the problem is
2017-08-14 23:52:13	alanz	in MainHie, dispatcherProcP is a fork
2017-08-14 23:52:21	alanz	and then run returns 0
2017-08-14 23:52:30	alanz	and the program ends and shuts down
2017-08-14 23:53:21	alanz	We need to call jsonStdioTransport with a dispatcherProc that runs forever
2017-08-14 23:53:45	arrowsvc	Oh.
2017-08-14 23:54:02	alanz	classic multi-process 101 error
2017-08-14 23:54:19	alanz	It has caught me many times, so I know to look for it
2017-08-14 23:55:08	alanz	will you make a PR for it when you have made more progress?
2017-08-14 23:57:03	arrowsvc	Well, let me first try to fix that.
2017-08-14 23:57:46	alanz	yes, that's what I mean.
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2017-08-15 00:07:53	arrowsvc	alanz: What do you think about "forever $ threadDelay maxBound"?
2017-08-15 00:07:57	arrowsvc	This seems to work.
2017-08-15 00:09:46	alanz	arrowsvc: that can work.
2017-08-15 00:10:15	alanz	Alternatively just make a different dispatcherProcP that does not fork
2017-08-15 00:11:01	alanz	in fact, I think originally it did not fork, and the one passed to lsp had a fork in front of it in the call
2017-08-15 00:11:34	alanz	But either option should work. what is maxBound as a delay?
2017-08-15 00:12:03	alanz	or create an empty mvar and wait on it
2017-08-15 00:13:06	--	Notice(GitHub137): [haskell-ide-engine] arrowd opened pull request #286: Fix JsonStdio transport not to exit as soon as it started. (master...master) https://git.io/v75kp
2017-08-15 00:13:55	arrowsvc	9223372036854775807
2017-08-15 00:13:57	alanz	arrowsvc: I will look a bit later. About to GOT 7x5
2017-08-15 00:15:14	arrowsvc	And -c mode is now defunct? Passing it doesn't change anything.
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2017-08-15 11:41:53	alanz	wz1000: I think I prefer the way arrowsvc does it, the intent in an infinite threadDelay is more apparent than that race_ thing of yours, which I presume is some kind of thing that is intended to block forever
2017-08-15 11:44:02	alanz	Ok, I think I see what you did. I was just thinking that we run one of the other threads in the main loop instead of forking it, I see you did that with both
2017-08-15 11:44:43	alanz	I still think that passing in a thing that immediately forks is a bad idea, and we should perhaps revisit it for the LspStdio transport too.
2017-08-15 11:44:58	wz1000	alanz: the `race` also means that if one of the threads are killed, the other would also be killed
2017-08-15 11:45:02	alanz	Reasoning about threading is hard, better to spawn everything in the sameplace
2017-08-15 11:45:22	alanz	ok, I am not accustomed to it. I have the book, but have not had time to read it :(
2017-08-15 11:45:55	wz1000	I think race is a common idiom for our case
2017-08-15 11:46:46	alanz	yes, it does make sense
2017-08-15 11:46:57	alanz	now that I realise what it is doing
2017-08-15 11:48:51	wz1000	see the section on race in http://chimera.labs.oreilly.com/books/1230000000929/ch11.html
2017-08-15 12:08:11	alanz	thanks
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2017-08-15 15:28:18	alanz	wz1000: we should consider having a hie lockfile, to prevent more than one instance running at a time
2017-08-15 15:32:49	alanz	I think I am addicted to highlighting all uses of the current symbol :)
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2017-08-15 16:18:20	alanz	Franciman: making progress?
2017-08-15 16:20:01	Franciman	hi alanz yes!
2017-08-15 16:20:10	alanz	great
2017-08-15 16:20:16	alanz	able to use it?
2017-08-15 16:20:40	Franciman	for now I can just send requests, I'm doing the receiver part of the client, now :)
2017-08-15 16:20:52	alanz	awesome. Progress is the main thing
2017-08-15 16:21:12	Franciman	yes it works fine. Just one question. Is it normal that after I send an "exit" notification hie prints ExitSuccess on stdout?
2017-08-15 16:21:20	Franciman	great job, alanz 
2017-08-15 16:21:45	alanz	it is a whole lot of us you need to thank
2017-08-15 16:22:17	alanz	and the more use it, the better it gets
2017-08-15 16:22:18	Franciman	right!
2017-08-15 16:24:33	Franciman	now I got to go, see you later!
2017-08-15 16:25:29	alanz	ok
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2017-08-15 17:51:16	wz1000	alanz: why, do multiple instances not work?
2017-08-15 17:52:11	alanz	I had one open in emacs, then opened vscode for the same one, and got a module not loaded
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2017-08-15 23:47:48	Friedem	Hello guys! I just found this project, looks very cool!
2017-08-15 23:49:51	alanz	Friedem: hi. Have you tried it?
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2017-08-15 23:52:42	Friedem	Trying to. Getting: "Activating extension `alanz.vscode-hie-server` failed:  spawn UNKNOWN"
2017-08-15 23:52:57	alanz	Friedem: what operating system are you using?
2017-08-15 23:54:47	Friedem	Windows 10
2017-08-15 23:58:32	alanz	Friedem: We need someone who knows how to write a batch file equivalent of https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/hie-vscode.sh
2017-08-15 23:59:53	alanz	Friedem: can you try make one similar to this: https://github.com/phoityne/phoityne-vscode/blob/master/vscode-extension/phoityne-vscode.bat
2017-08-16 00:00:26	alanz	where the error bit is the same message as in hie-vscode.sh
2017-08-16 00:03:41	Friedem	yea I will try that
2017-08-16 00:04:13	alanz	thanks. And if you get it going please make a PR.
2017-08-16 00:04:54	alanz	you will probably have to do something here too: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/src/extension.ts#L31
2017-08-16 00:05:06	alanz	Not sure how to make it cross-platform
2017-08-16 00:07:06	alanz	Here is where the phoityne debugger sets it. https://github.com/phoityne/phoityne-vscode/blob/master/vscode-extension/package.json#L52
2017-08-16 00:07:18	alanz	But that is not using the language server protocol
2017-08-16 00:07:36	alanz	but perhaps there is a property we could set somehoe
2017-08-16 00:07:38	alanz	w
2017-08-16 00:09:29	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/issues/7
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2017-08-16 01:58:57	alanz	Anyone who knows windows and path management for windows in haskell, please look at https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/288
2017-08-16 01:59:11	alanz	arrowsvc: ? ^^
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2017-08-16 11:13:25	adelbertc	does haskell-ide-engine just need to be installed once with stack like the README suggests or does it need to be built with the same GHC version as the project like ghc-mod does?
2017-08-16 11:13:33	adelbertc	i assume the latter but the README seems to imply the former
2017-08-16 12:03:22	alanz	adelbertc: currently it only supports ghc 8.0.2
2017-08-16 12:04:12	alanz	so the answer is yes, install it once, but it will only work if the compiler in the project is GHC 8.0.2
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2017-08-16 15:22:50	alanz	wz1000: I wonder if the same info as for textDocument/highlights could be used for textDocument/references?
2017-08-16 15:23:48	alanz	but leaving out the definition one, perhaps
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2017-08-16 20:20:45	mpickering	Does anyone know anything about unlicensed packages being removed from Melpa?
2017-08-16 20:20:47	mpickering	(https://github.com/mpickering/hlint-refactor-mode/issues/8)
2017-08-16 20:27:41	alanz	mpickering: perhaps respond to the issue asking what licenses are acceptable?
2017-08-16 20:28:31	alanz	I know one of the repositories is strictly GNU licence required, not sure which one
2017-08-16 20:28:41	alanz	between melpa and elps
2017-08-16 20:28:43	alanz	elpa
2017-08-16 20:32:26	mpickering	Should I care even? It feels like it would be very bad if he just removed all the packages which didn't have licenses  
2017-08-16 20:32:29	mpickering	a lot of people would complain
2017-08-16 20:33:08	alanz	well, if it is RMS then he would not care about that
2017-08-16 20:34:33	mpickering	that is true, I'm not feeling too persuaded to spend an hour working out how to license it
2017-08-16 20:35:55	alanz	The instructions are in the issue. Add a standard header to each file, and add that LICENSE.txt file
2017-08-16 20:36:19	alanz	In time you can just point users at HIE :)
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2017-08-16 22:01:51	alanz	friedem: I see a PR :)
2017-08-16 22:02:19	alanz	And I think arrowsvc may have taken a look at that path problem
2017-08-16 22:04:32	friedem	excellent
2017-08-16 22:05:40	friedem	I've got it running on my machine now with changes made in haskell-lsp
2017-08-16 22:05:44	alanz	But I chose my words carefully, I am not sure if he did anything :)
2017-08-16 22:05:56	alanz	ok, great, make a PR there too then
2017-08-16 22:10:57	friedem	done
2017-08-16 22:11:18	friedem	one more coming for hie too
2017-08-16 22:11:39	alanz	and I can confirm that the vscode plugin still works on linux, with your fix
2017-08-16 22:13:34	alanz	friedem: you are throwing away the drive info in filePathToUri. Is this the right thing to do?
2017-08-16 22:16:07	friedem	is it? I don't see how it is dropped
2017-08-16 22:20:46	alanz	friedem: see filePathToUri here: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/53/files
2017-08-16 22:20:53	alanz	line 64
2017-08-16 22:23:51	friedem	right, it prepends "file:///" to the entire filepath
2017-08-16 22:24:36	alanz	friedem: oops, sorry.
2017-08-16 22:24:57	friedem	whew, had me thinking I was losing it
2017-08-16 22:25:08	alanz	:)
2017-08-16 22:25:40	alanz	I saw drive, and that it was not used. And did not have a leading _ to flag it as not being used. So my human compiler complained.
2017-08-16 22:28:23	friedem	I just gave it a name for clarity
2017-08-16 22:28:50	friedem	are you saying you can put an _ in front of the name to ignore it?
2017-08-16 22:29:33	alanz	yes, then the compiler will not complain about an unused variable
2017-08-16 22:29:43	friedem	oo
2017-08-16 22:29:53	friedem	that's a cool trick, I didn't know that
2017-08-16 22:29:58	alanz	basically _ is "don't care", and you can have named ones
2017-08-16 22:30:18	friedem	right, I knew about just using _
2017-08-16 22:30:23	friedem	didn't know you could name it though
2017-08-16 22:30:36	adelbertc	has anyone gotten a "* Missing C library: stdc++" error when trying to stack install haskell-ide-engine off head?
2017-08-16 22:30:39	adelbertc	i am on macOS Sierra
2017-08-16 22:30:41	alanz	its good for documentation, as in that case
2017-08-16 22:31:31	arrowsvc	adelbertc: Yep, I had this problem.
2017-08-16 22:31:45	adelbertc	arrowsvc: did you manage to find a fix/workaround?
2017-08-16 22:32:40	arrowsvc	The problem is with charsetdecet-ae dependency: https://github.com/arrowd/charsetdetect-ae/commit/7f7e8b15080006cb4e285c62b4fada3011878142
2017-08-16 22:32:54	arrowsvc	We at FreeBSD also have libc++ as default C++ library.
2017-08-16 22:33:22	arrowsvc	So you'd have to do a fork like me and modify stack.yaml to include it.
2017-08-16 22:33:24	adelbertc	yeah im getting this at "Configuring charsetdetect-ae-1.1.0.2..."
2017-08-16 22:34:39	adelbertc	arrowsvc: hm what do you mean by "include it" ?
2017-08-16 22:35:41	arrowsvc	cat haskell-ide-engine/stack.yaml
2017-08-16 22:35:51	arrowsvc	It contains a bunch of github repos as dependencies.
2017-08-16 22:36:24	alanz	I think stack.yaml can have platofrm-specific sections in it.
2017-08-16 22:36:39	alanz	Perhaps we should put these requirements in directly
2017-08-16 22:36:54	arrowsvc	The proper fix is to have OS check in charsetdetect-ae.cabal.
2017-08-16 22:37:16	arrowsvc	I plan to upstream my change once things get settled on FreeBSD side.
2017-08-16 22:38:51	adelbertc	arrowsvc: oh so fork charsetdetect-ae, apply the changes you made in that link above, and then point my stack.yaml for HIE to the fork?
2017-08-16 22:39:12	arrowsvc	Yep.
2017-08-16 22:39:27	arrowsvc	stack build would then clone your repo and use it to fulfill this dependency.
2017-08-16 22:40:12	arrowsvc	The same problem exists in llvm-hs package, BTW. They just hardcode C++ standard library to libstdc++.
2017-08-16 22:51:29	adelbertc	arrowsvc: do i just need to add a -location with my git repo and revision and extra-dep: true in the HIE yaml file? or is there something else i need to do? seem to be getting the same error
2017-08-16 22:51:34	adelbertc	still charsetdetect-ae
2017-08-16 22:58:30	--	Notice(GitHub178): [haskell-ide-engine] Friede80 opened pull request #292: Added URI decoding for building ghc-mod URIs (master...master) https://git.io/v7N1h
2017-08-16 23:04:49	alanz	friedem: I think that hie PR may be on the wrong repo
2017-08-16 23:04:53	alanz	see my comment
2017-08-16 23:07:42	alanz	friedem: https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/blob/hie-integration/ghc-mod-core/src/GhcMod/ModuleLoader.hs#L184
2017-08-16 23:10:06	friedem	ahh yes, that would be better
2017-08-16 23:16:03	arrowsvc	adelbertc: Yes, should work. Can you show your code?
2017-08-16 23:16:22	adelbertc	arrowsvc: your fix was for your FreeBSD machine right, not macOS?
2017-08-16 23:16:38	arrowsvc	Yup, you need to check for macOS, of course.
2017-08-16 23:17:04	adelbertc	yeah, i got it to work
2017-08-16 23:17:05	arrowsvc	Or make it uncodtional for the time being.
2017-08-16 23:17:27	adelbertc	seems macOS prefers c++, and then i used Stack's Nix support to link it to the right thing
2017-08-16 23:19:35	adelbertc	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/293
2017-08-16 23:29:39	adelbertc	wooot its working in Neovim! i think
2017-08-16 23:29:45	adelbertc	though doesn't seem to like TypeApplications
2017-08-16 23:33:55	alanz	adelbertc: great
2017-08-16 23:34:49	adelbertc	HIE is powered by ghc-mod under the covers right? So if I'm seeing something like a parse error with TypeApplication it probably means HIE is currently using an older version of ghc-mod? Since when I used ghc-mod manually it seems to like it fine
2017-08-16 23:36:10	alanz	adelbertc: hie master is using a *future* version of ghc-mod
2017-08-16 23:36:23	adelbertc	i feel like there should be sparkles with that
2017-08-16 23:36:24	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/blob/hie-integration
2017-08-16 23:36:41	adelbertc	✨ future :sparkles
2017-08-16 23:36:46	adelbertc	dammit i hit Enter too soon
2017-08-16 23:36:53	alanz	well, it is just current master split in two, so there is ghc-mode-core, without all the extra deps
2017-08-16 23:37:20	alanz	And a new layer for managing caching of compiled artifacts
2017-08-16 23:37:36	adelbertc	ah ok
2017-08-16 23:37:58	adelbertc	so if i want to go digging around for the code responsible for say, the error I see w/ TypeApplication i shouldl ook at that branch of ghc-mod?
2017-08-16 23:45:41	adelbertc	actually hm. maybe im just missing configuration or something, does HIE default to using Stack's ghc-mod? Vanilla ghc-mod I think detects dist/setup-config and if it exists it uses Cabal which is what I want I think
2017-08-16 23:46:29	alanz	adelbertc: it operates the same as vanilla
2017-08-16 23:46:52	alanz	And in my experience it does that, I have a project like that atm that I am using it against
2017-08-16 23:48:00	adelbertc	hm. any suggestions on where to look for errors with TypeApplication?
2017-08-17 00:02:38	alanz	adelbertc: can you provide a concrete example? An issue with a file/project that does what you do not expect it to do?
2017-08-17 00:04:47	adelbertc	alanz: nothing out in the open atm, ill try to produce a minimization. but currently i have a project that builds fine with Cabal that uses typeapplication a lot, but when i open the file im getting `error| Parse error: @`
2017-08-17 00:04:56	adelbertc	which points at a place where im using TypeApplication
2017-08-17 00:05:42	alanz	ok, is the extension enabled in the cabal file, or as a pragma in the source?
2017-08-17 00:06:03	alanz	But please make an example, else we have nothing to work with
2017-08-17 00:06:40	adelbertc	cabal file
2017-08-17 00:07:33	alanz	ok. As a workaround try putting it in the source. 
2017-08-17 00:07:44	--	Notice(GitHub103): [haskell-ide-engine] Friede80 closed pull request #292: Added URI decoding for building ghc-mod URIs (master...master) https://git.io/v7N1h
2017-08-17 00:07:48	alanz	But it should be using the config that GHC sees, so this is strange
2017-08-17 00:08:55	adelbertc	that does seem to make it happy
2017-08-17 00:09:05	adelbertc	but will try to produce a small example
2017-08-17 00:09:31	alanz	thanks. I wonder if it is hlint giving the parse error, rather than ghc-mod
2017-08-17 00:12:35	adelbertc	is HLint used under the covers as well
2017-08-17 00:12:45	adelbertc	i know HLint had issues with TypeApplications until very recently
2017-08-17 00:13:25	friedem	does hie manage syntax highlighting?
2017-08-17 00:23:13	adelbertc	alanz: seems like the minimization was pretty easy https://github.com/adelbertc/typeapptest
2017-08-17 00:23:30	adelbertc	`cabal build` is happy with it, but HIE reports "Parse error in expression: x@String.   y = x @String "hello".   . > main :: IO ().   main = putStrLn "hello". ."
2017-08-17 00:24:34	adelbertc	doing language pragma at the top makes it happy
2017-08-17 00:26:34	alanz	adelbertc: thanks, I will take a look. Sometime. Can you make an issue on hie and refer to that repo?
2017-08-17 00:26:42	adelbertc	sounds good
2017-08-17 00:30:56	adelbertc	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/294
2017-08-17 00:35:39	alanz	thanks
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2017-08-17 01:25:02	--	Notice(GitHub173): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #295: Limit number of diagnostics provided per file. (master...limited-diagnostics) https://git.io/v7AfE
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2017-08-17 05:46:58	adelbertc	is there a way to turn off HLint in HIE? i suspect its HLint causing the aofrementioned TypeApplications error
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2017-08-17 10:13:44	--	Topic for #haskell-ide-engine is "https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine. Still not an IDE. | Logs at http://ircbrowse.net/haskell-ide-engine | API Docs  https://haskell.github.io/haskell-ide-engine/ | POC Hierarchical menus in emacs https://i.imgur.com/n7M9ye2.png | POC leksah integration using https://github.com/JPMoresmau/leksah-server/tree/hie_integration and  https://github.com/leksah/leksah/tree/hie_integr"
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2017-08-17 11:36:58	alanz	adelbertc: short answer is no, at present
2017-08-17 11:37:54	alanz	but file a bug report, the maintainers are normally quite quick at sorting issue out
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2017-08-18 11:51:05	alanz	wz1000: ping
2017-08-18 11:57:27	wz1000	alanz: pong
2017-08-18 11:57:59	alanz	I am considering putting the extension for vscode on the market, in response to ndm request
2017-08-18 11:58:15	alanz	Do you want to merge your HaRe commands stuff before I do that?
2017-08-18 11:59:26	wz1000	ok. some of them don't work with vscode though
2017-08-18 11:59:57	alanz	well, I am happy to release it as it is. I would rather only have things in it that do work
2017-08-18 12:00:29	alanz	What is the problem with the ones that don't working? Getting custom params, like new names?
2017-08-18 12:01:15	wz1000	no, overlapping edits
2017-08-18 12:01:38	alanz	that's right.
2017-08-18 12:01:40	wz1000	I didn't add the ones that require custom params
2017-08-18 12:02:04	alanz	Its odd though, because I have tested it in vscode before, and it worked.
2017-08-18 12:02:37	alanz	ok
2017-08-18 12:03:36	alanz	I was thinking we could do those the way I have seen some IDEs do it, choose an appropriate name and give a number suffix
2017-08-18 12:04:56	wz1000	I think vscode should have a way to get custom params
2017-08-18 12:05:07	wz1000	like Lierdakil did for rename in atom
2017-08-18 12:05:31	alanz	Well, I looked for it but did not find anything
2017-08-18 12:05:53	alanz	And the questions I saw asked all over seemed to indicate the same
2017-08-18 12:06:11	alanz	But I am not an expert, so it is probably possible if you know what you are doing
2017-08-18 12:06:35	alanz	in my mind we make an issue for that, and wait for someone who knows the environment to do it
2017-08-18 12:12:17	wz1000	alanz: also, have you thought about how we could get atom to use the hie cache?
2017-08-18 12:12:31	wz1000	s/atom/HaRe
2017-08-18 12:12:54	wz1000	that way HaRe commands would be a lot faster when invoked from HIE
2017-08-18 12:13:04	alanz	I think it should happen automatically now.
2017-08-18 12:13:20	alanz	One thing that struck me is we need to put a lock on each URI
2017-08-18 12:13:41	alanz	So that if one plugin requests it, another can't until the first one has finished loading it
2017-08-18 12:13:46	wz1000	alanz: is hare using the IdeM monad and querying it to load cached modules?
2017-08-18 12:13:50	alanz	In the caching layer, that is
2017-08-18 12:14:15	wz1000	well, right now all operations are synchronous
2017-08-18 12:14:22	wz1000	and sequential
2017-08-18 12:14:49	alanz	I know, but we can't always guarantee that, in future. Or must be aware anyway, if it ever changes
2017-08-18 12:15:32	wz1000	but it should be possible to refactor many of them into pure functions of the form CachedModule -> a
2017-08-18 12:15:41	alanz	And HaRe does not use the IdeM state at the moment. Or it might, I forget. I need to run a nested StateT, because HaRe keeps its own things too
2017-08-18 12:15:48	alanz	And ghc-mod
2017-08-18 12:16:01	wz1000	then it will not use the caching
2017-08-18 12:16:02	alanz	so the caching layer should do that.
2017-08-18 12:16:35	alanz	I focused on getting the mechanics of the separation into layers in place, this needs to be resolved
2017-08-18 12:17:03	alanz	And in my mind it must happen automatically in ghc-mod-core.GhcModCore.LoadModule
2017-08-18 12:17:30	alanz	Which my mean instead of running in GhcModT we run in GhcModCacheT or something
2017-08-18 12:18:06	alanz	if you have time and want to tackle it it would be great. This monad transformer stuff is a pain
2017-08-18 12:18:20	wz1000	alanz: I'll take a look
2017-08-18 12:18:48	alanz	thanks
2017-08-18 12:19:38	alanz	wz1000: btw, I will be travelling from tomorrow afternoon, so my interaction is going to get spotty
2017-08-18 12:20:24	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/55
2017-08-18 12:21:08	alanz	did you look at PR #54 btw?
2017-08-18 12:22:33	wz1000	yeah, looks good
2017-08-18 12:23:10	alanz	I opened a happy generated parser file and there were hundreds of diags, and the emacs client just barfed from the load
2017-08-18 12:23:19	alanz	So I figured it makes sense to limit it
2017-08-18 12:24:59	wz1000	btw, fixed the merge conflicts
2017-08-18 12:25:06	alanz	I see
2017-08-18 12:25:22	alanz	I will merge mine first, they should be distinct so no problem.
2017-08-18 12:26:02	alanz	done
2017-08-18 12:26:21	alanz	And I think we need to update to the latest brittany too.
2017-08-18 12:27:43	wz1000	alanz: my local HIE is pulling brittany from hackage
2017-08-18 12:27:59	alanz	ok, good.
2017-08-18 12:28:18	alanz	I am starting to use it for daily editing tasks
2017-08-18 12:28:22	alanz	On some projects
2017-08-18 12:28:47	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/ac17d077870f877f0227955d8f29c2da80671455
2017-08-18 12:28:53	alanz	But it is still that stage where I start work on something, then disappear into fixing hie for a couple of hours
2017-08-18 12:31:35	--	Notice(GitHub193): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #297: Fix JSONStdio (master...master) https://git.io/v7h6a
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2017-08-18 12:57:09	wz1000	hexagoxel: is there any reason why brittany requires syb-0.6.*?
2017-08-18 13:05:41	wz1000	alanz: did you merge your HIE PR?
2017-08-18 13:08:13	alanz	Not yet, sorry, been caught up in other things. Hold on
2017-08-18 13:08:37	alanz	Done
2017-08-18 13:08:48	--	Notice(GitHub158): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #295: Limit number of diagnostics provided per file. (master...limited-diagnostics) https://git.io/v7AfE
2017-08-18 13:08:49	--	Notice(GitHub54): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/v7hXR
2017-08-18 13:08:49	--	Notice(GitHub54): haskell-ide-engine/master 1e33a9a Alan Zimmerman: Limit number of diagnostics provided per file....
2017-08-18 13:08:49	--	Notice(GitHub54): haskell-ide-engine/master b156fb2 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #295 from alanz/limited-diagnostics...
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2017-08-18 13:24:52	wz1000	alanz: cool, should I merge mine?
2017-08-18 13:26:13	alanz	The haskell-lsp one? yes
2017-08-18 13:26:44	alanz	And there is that change to ghc-mod-core you made too that needs to get merged in too, some time
2017-08-18 13:26:54	alanz	To keep more than one module
2017-08-18 13:28:08	wz1000	alanz: I made a hie pr too
2017-08-18 13:28:47	alanz	ok, lets wait for CI to finish, then I will merge
2017-08-18 13:29:32	wz1000	merged lsp
2017-08-18 13:30:00	alanz	BTW, I have been keeping that hspec-jenkins stuff in as a prompt to me to rescusitate it
2017-08-18 13:30:12	alanz	I guess I should make an issue instead
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2017-08-18 13:43:34	alanz	https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=alanz.vscode-hie-server
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2017-08-18 13:45:16	wz1000	alanz: nice
2017-08-18 13:45:23	alanz	Installs: 1
2017-08-18 13:45:31	alanz	me, testing. At least it works :)
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2017-08-18 14:09:49	wz1000	arrowsvc: did you see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/297
2017-08-18 14:10:53	arrowsvc	Sigh. Damn github. I thought I left a comment.
2017-08-18 14:20:44	wz1000	arrowsvc: I replied to you on github.
2017-08-18 14:24:46	arrowsvc	I'm OK with the patch.
2017-08-18 14:28:36	alanz	merged
2017-08-18 14:28:38	--	Notice(GitHub166): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 7 new commits to master: https://git.io/v7hQX
2017-08-18 14:28:38	--	Notice(GitHub166): haskell-ide-engine/master d2895ff Zubin Duggal: Fix JsonStdio
2017-08-18 14:28:38	--	Notice(GitHub166): haskell-ide-engine/master b780325 Zubin Duggal: Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine
2017-08-18 14:28:38	--	Notice(GitHub166): haskell-ide-engine/master 7e66f5a Zubin Duggal: Fix JsonStdio-2
2017-08-18 14:28:39	--	Notice(GitHub171): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #297: Fix JSONStdio (master...master) https://git.io/v7h6a
2017-08-18 14:31:58	--	Notice(GitHub153): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 closed pull request #286: Fix JsonStdio transport not to exit as soon as it started. (master...master) https://git.io/v75kp
2017-08-18 14:32:53	--	Notice(GitHub181): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #298:  Enable TypeApplications in hlint by default, update for latest haskell-lsp (master...wip) https://git.io/v7h7s
2017-08-18 14:33:00	wz1000	alanz: ^
2017-08-18 14:35:52	 *	alanz looking
2017-08-18 14:38:12	alanz	will wait for CI to complete
2017-08-18 15:00:51	alanz	We are inching up to 500 stars on the repo :). 496
2017-08-18 16:01:59	wz1000	alanz: CI passed
2017-08-18 16:57:59	alanz	wz1000: ok, will merge. Been away
2017-08-18 16:58:44	--	Notice(GitHub137): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/v7jkl
2017-08-18 16:58:44	--	Notice(GitHub137): haskell-ide-engine/master f7dbdd9 Zubin Duggal: Enable TypeApplications in hlint by default, update for latest haskell-lsp
2017-08-18 16:58:44	--	Notice(GitHub137): haskell-ide-engine/master 59f2101 Zubin Duggal: Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine into wip
2017-08-18 16:58:44	--	Notice(GitHub137): haskell-ide-engine/master 90e80a6 Zubin Duggal: update stack.yaml
2017-08-18 16:58:45	--	Notice(GitHub142): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #298:  Enable TypeApplications in hlint by default, update for latest haskell-lsp (master...wip) https://git.io/v7h7s
2017-08-18 17:05:40	alanz	adelbertc, wz1000 Does current master fix https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/294?
2017-08-18 17:10:06	wz1000	alanz: yes
2017-08-18 17:10:14	wz1000	(for me)
2017-08-18 17:10:48	wz1000	the vscode issue too
2017-08-18 17:10:58	alanz	ok, so if adelbertc agrees we can close it
2017-08-18 17:11:36	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/289? newline added on save?
2017-08-18 17:12:43	wz1000	no
2017-08-18 17:13:18	alanz	Which one? Is it on the issue tracker?
2017-08-18 17:13:27	wz1000	https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/issues/3
2017-08-18 17:13:43	wz1000	sorry, network is a bit spotty
2017-08-18 17:13:51	alanz	np
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2017-08-18 18:32:20	cocreature	is emacs no longer supported? the readme only mentions vscode and neovim
2017-08-18 18:33:46	wz1000	cocreature: the person working on the emacs lsp plugin was occupied, so we didn't want to spam him with bug reports and activity
2017-08-18 18:33:56	wz1000	cocreature: https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell
2017-08-18 18:34:04	cocreature	wz1000: ah ok, thanks
2017-08-18 18:38:24	cocreature	is the plugin on the vscode marketplace automatically updated? or asked differently, should I install from the repo because the plugin the marketplace is outofdate?
2017-08-18 18:39:09	wz1000	cocreature: the plugin was just uploaded, so it should be the most recent version of HIE
2017-08-18 18:39:10	cocreature	looks like it has been updated today, that should be reasonably new :)
2017-08-18 18:39:16	wz1000	*of the plugin
2017-08-18 18:40:20	wz1000	cocreature: though if you want hare refactorings(some of which don't work yet), those are not yet merged
2017-08-18 18:41:07	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/pull/9
2017-08-18 18:41:11	wz1000	cocreature: ^
2017-08-18 18:45:10	alanz	wz1000: I will merge that, but not make a new version, until we sort out the issue.
2017-08-18 18:45:39	alanz	And I see we are up to 7 marketplace installs
2017-08-18 18:46:20	alanz	There was a very positive tweet from @alexeyraga about hie, as well as from ndm
2017-08-18 18:49:32	wz1000	alanz: a quick and easy fix could be making multiple applyEdit requests
2017-08-18 18:49:57	alanz	true
2017-08-18 18:50:14	alanz	Before doing that, can you make a test case in hie that shows the bad behaviour?
2017-08-18 18:53:54	wz1000	alanz: all the tests in HaRePluginSpec with multiple TextEdits already capture it
2017-08-18 18:54:57	alanz	ok, and which one in particular will show it up in vscode?
2017-08-18 18:55:06	alanz	rename does not
2017-08-18 18:55:18	alanz	for me
2017-08-18 18:56:00	wz1000	alanz: lift to top level, demote, lift one level
2017-08-18 18:56:22	wz1000	alanz: you can see the failure in the logs
2017-08-18 18:56:25	alanz	ok, thanks. Will give it a go
2017-08-18 19:05:12	alanz	wz1000: I am getting an error from HaRe, that should go to the UI
2017-08-18 19:05:17	alanz	2017-08-18 15:32:35.539945653 [ThreadId 12] - <--2--{"error":{"code":-32603,"message":"IdeError {ideCode = PluginError, ideMessage = \"demote: \\\"This function can not be demoted as it is used in current level!\\n\\\"\", ideInfo = Null}"},"jsonrpc":"2.0","id":17}
2017-08-18 19:05:32	alanz	So we are reporting it the wrong way.
2017-08-18 19:05:54	alanz	In vscode it appears as if the demote command does nothing.
2017-08-18 19:06:52	alanz	Maybe we should use -32600, InvalidRequest
2017-08-18 19:06:58	alanz	Will experiment
2017-08-18 19:07:22	alanz	In fact, InvalidParams probably makes more sense
2017-08-18 19:10:51	wz1000	alanz: what about making a showmessage request on all ide errors? In hieResponseHelper
2017-08-18 19:11:16	alanz	I want to experiment with the other error type first.
2017-08-18 19:11:34	alanz	Because one of those two should be presented to the user somehow
2017-08-18 19:11:50	alanz	Worst case we do that, but I would find it surprising if it was needed
2017-08-18 19:12:08	wz1000	alanz: we can use the ideCode to choose what to do.
2017-08-18 19:12:30	alanz	yes, that makes sense
2017-08-18 19:13:17	alanz	I just did a demote, no problem. 
2017-08-18 19:13:52	alanz	but let me check the ones in the tests
2017-08-18 19:15:38	alanz	And I just did demote as per the tests, and it passed.
2017-08-18 19:15:43	alanz	I am confused
2017-08-18 19:16:03	alanz	and lifting it back was fine too
2017-08-18 19:18:12	wz1000	alanz: thy lifting in HaReMoveDef.hs
2017-08-18 19:18:46	alanz	ok
2017-08-18 19:19:05	wz1000	2017-08-18 19:16:16.993934164 [ThreadId 7] - haskell-lsp:Got reply message:"{\"jsonrpc\":\"2.0\",\"id\":4,\"error\":{\"code\":-32603,\"message\":\"Request workspace/applyEdit failed with message: Overlapping ranges are not allowed!\"}}"
2017-08-18 19:19:11	alanz	y or z?
2017-08-18 19:19:28	wz1000	any
2017-08-18 19:21:05	alanz	ok, I get that too
2017-08-18 19:21:37	alanz	We should maybe turn those messages around into a showMessage
2017-08-18 19:24:34	cocreature	is it possible to turn off hlint suggestions on hover?
2017-08-18 19:24:38	cocreature	in vscode that is
2017-08-18 19:25:53	wz1000	cocreature: I don't think so
2017-08-18 19:28:25	wz1000	we were planning to restrict them to the first line though
2017-08-18 19:28:43	wz1000	should make them a bit less annoying
2017-08-18 19:31:59	alanz	I have been thinking that some kind of configuration would make sense
2017-08-18 19:32:15	alanz	So the client sends through something explaining what it wants, can handle, etc
2017-08-18 19:32:35	alanz	So what checkers to enable is one of them. And number of diagnostics.
2017-08-18 19:33:21	alanz	Something like this that vscode sends already:
2017-08-18 19:33:24	alanz	2017-08-18 08:59:33.821756894 [ThreadId 11] - ---> {"jsonrpc":"2.0","method":"$/setTraceNotification","params":{"value":"off"}}
2017-08-18 19:33:37	wz1000	workspace/didChangeConfiguration
2017-08-18 19:33:45	wz1000	that is what vscode sends
2017-08-18 19:34:09	alanz	perfect
2017-08-18 19:34:15	alanz	and spec compliant
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2017-08-18 22:06:24	adelbertc	alanz: wz1000 testing the TypeApplication stuff now
2017-08-18 22:13:40	adelbertc	(.... once my computer decides to finish installing stack, i guess at some point i accidentally uninstalled it)
2017-08-18 22:25:31	adelbertc	alanz: wz1000 it works! thank you!
2017-08-18 22:27:14	alanz	adelbertc: great. Can you close the issue?
2017-08-18 22:27:25	adelbertc	already did :)
2017-08-18 22:27:37	alanz	I just saw. Thanks
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2017-08-18 23:57:04	adelbertc	hmm new bug introduced recently maybe? looking at logs for the Neovim LSP integration, I see it sending a `textDocument/didOpen` when I open a file with the correct file path, etc. then one of the responses it gets back is
2017-08-18 23:57:04	adelbertc	`{"jsonrpc":"2.0","method":"textDocument/publishDiagnostics","params":{"uri":"file:///private/var/folders/bt/x2rj10cj5cg1mjxc284s9_39gbmb24/T/ghc-mod14583/Main16807282475249.hs","diagnostics":[{"severity":1,"range":{"start":{"line":11,"character":7},"end":{"line":11,"character":14}},"source":"ghcmod","message":"• Variable not in scope: utStrLn :: [Char] -> IO ()\n• Perhaps you meant ‘putStrLn’
2017-08-18 23:57:04	adelbertc	(imported from Prelude)"}]}}`
2017-08-18 23:57:17	adelbertc	so its reporting the error correctly. but the uri is weird
2017-08-18 23:57:31	adelbertc	and because of that Neovim LSP isn't showing the indicator on the screen
2017-08-18 23:57:55	adelbertc	a previous log message i see does the correct thing `{"jsonrpc":"2.0","method":"textDocument/publishDiagnostics","params":{"uri":"file:///Users/adelbertc/dev/typeapptest/Main.hs","diagnostics":[]}}`
2017-08-19 00:04:20	adelbertc	ticket here: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/299
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2017-08-19 12:56:08	alanz	and we are on 500 stars on github
2017-08-19 13:06:11	alanz	wz1000: See https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/6uaaxn/cant_generate_local_hoogle_with_stack_anymore/
2017-08-19 13:06:18	alanz	if you have not already
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2017-08-20 10:51:30	wz1000	adelbertc: I pushed a commit that might solve your URI issue. can you test it?
2017-08-20 10:51:54	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/1f77505d61383ab4642d940c8d2c85e7bdfb64b9
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2017-08-20 11:55:15	adelbertc	wz1000: for sure but wont be able to do it until tomorrow, will let you know
2017-08-20 11:55:19	adelbertc	Thank you!
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2017-08-20 13:50:42	wz1000	alanz: have you seen https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/302
2017-08-20 13:50:49	wz1000	and https://github.com/robrix/haskell-ide-engine/tree/ghc-8.2.1
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2017-08-20 14:03:48	--	Notice(GitHub23): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #304: Use latest ghc-mod to fix mapped files issue (master...master) https://git.io/v5vQQ
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2017-08-20 18:19:45	nickolay_	hello
2017-08-20 18:19:53	nickolay_	I've followed the installation instructions from github wiki
2017-08-20 18:20:05	nickolay_	everything seems to went fine
2017-08-20 18:20:37	nickolay_	but when I open some haskell project in the newly opened VSCode window there's no even syntax highlighting
2017-08-20 18:21:14	nickolay_	do I need to somehow enable the "haskell mode" in the IDE?
2017-08-20 18:21:50	nickolay_	ups, it crashed..
2017-08-20 18:22:04	nickolay_	heh, I guess its not for public usage yet..
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2017-08-20 18:29:16	robrix	Heartbroken: https://github.com/DanielG/ghc-mod/issues/835
2017-08-20 18:36:08	wz1000	nickolay_: syntax highlighting isn't handled by HIE
2017-08-20 18:36:16	wz1000	You need to install a seperat3e extenstion for that
2017-08-20 18:36:40	wz1000	nickolay_: What error message do you get with the crash?
2017-08-20 18:37:25	nickolay_	wz1000: yes, installed "Haskero" extension
2017-08-20 18:37:37	nickolay_	wz1000: not sure, it just closed the window suddenly
2017-08-20 18:38:08	wz1000	nickolay_: Haskero isn't haskell-ide-engine
2017-08-20 18:38:26	nickolay_	haskell-ide is better?
2017-08-20 18:39:07	nickolay_	so much fragmentation in "haskell~ide" community
2017-08-20 18:39:14	wz1000	well, we're trying to make it as good as possible
2017-08-20 18:39:20	wz1000	HIEs goal is to solve that issue
2017-08-20 18:39:28	wz1000	(fragmentation that is)
2017-08-20 18:39:56	wz1000	so that you have one solution that works with any editor
2017-08-20 18:40:44	nickolay_	sounds good
2017-08-20 18:40:47	wz1000	HIE is still very new and untested though, Haskero is much more mature. 
2017-08-20 18:40:52	nickolay_	anything thats not emacs is good :)
2017-08-20 18:41:15	wz1000	But we've already got feedback that it is faster than the other stuff out there
2017-08-20 18:41:46	nickolay_	yes, haskero "goto definition" seems very slow
2017-08-20 18:42:28	nickolay_	you should consider adding syntax highligher as a dependency - confusing for newcomers not to see the syntax coloring
2017-08-20 18:42:43	wz1000	nickolay_: I don't think a crash in HIE should close the vscode window though...
2017-08-20 18:43:41	wz1000	yes, that seems like a good idea (syntax highlighter)
2017-08-20 18:46:14	wz1000	robrix: you are the one who made this issue? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/302
2017-08-20 18:46:20	nickolay_	hm.. tried again, it opened a new vscode window, but not I can't open a folder
2017-08-20 18:46:32	robrix	@wz1000: yep, that’s me
2017-08-20 18:48:15	wz1000	robrix: nice work! have you gotten anything working yet? I see you have made a lot of commits to your fork
2017-08-20 18:48:41	wz1000	nickolay_: why?
2017-08-20 18:48:58	nickolay_	wz1000: no idea..
2017-08-20 18:49:12	wz1000	what do you mean you can't open a folder?
2017-08-20 18:49:59	nickolay_	in the new window, doing File -> Open Folder, choosing folder and then nothing happens
2017-08-20 18:50:34	wz1000	nickolay_: does the sidebar update with the contents of your folder?
2017-08-20 18:50:34	nickolay_	nevermind, I'm just testing randomly
2017-08-20 18:50:39	robrix	wz1000: Thanks! Yeah, I got hie working on ghc 8.2.1 all the way through, but then found that it won’t work with cabal new-build because of the ghc-mod issue I linked above. The dispatcher is single threaded, ghc-mod never returns control back to the dispatcher loop, and so you never even get updated linter results :\
2017-08-20 18:50:39	nickolay_	nope
2017-08-20 18:50:52	robrix	wz1000: it worked fine for stack projects like hie itself tho
2017-08-20 18:51:19	wz1000	robrix: nice! 
2017-08-20 18:51:43	wz1000	But what do you mean that ghc-mod never returns control back to the dispatcher loop?
2017-08-20 18:52:23	wz1000	you mean while loading the module?
2017-08-20 18:52:51	--	Notice(GitHub198): [haskell-ide-engine] robrix opened pull request #305: Destructure ghc types with record syntax. (master...ghc-record-destructuring) https://git.io/v5fvb
2017-08-20 18:53:35	wz1000	robrix: those are the only changes needed in HIE for ghc 8.2 support?
2017-08-20 18:54:25	robrix	wz1000: when processing the did-open notification for a module, hie tries to cache the module, but ghc-mod silently fails and never returns control.
2017-08-20 18:54:37	wz1000	robrix: ah
2017-08-20 18:54:50	wz1000	robrix: btw, can you enable circleci for your fork?
2017-08-20 18:54:53	robrix	wz1000: lots of dependency changes needed, but I *think* those were the only code changes
2017-08-20 18:55:06	robrix	wz1000: um, I can try! :D
2017-08-20 18:59:06	wz1000	robrix: btw, you might want to merge the changes from https://github.com/wz1000/ghc-mod/tree/hie-integration into your ghc-mod fork
2017-08-20 18:59:26	robrix	Cool, thank you
2017-08-20 19:02:59	nickolay_	guys, just want to encourage you, you are doing great thing, please keep going and make it best
2017-08-20 19:03:17	nickolay_	I'm a fresh haskeller, switching from perl/js background
2017-08-20 19:03:31	nickolay_	and no decent IDE is a huge blocker
2017-08-20 19:04:10	nickolay_	I've tried everything in this area, from leksah to spacemacs + haskell mode
2017-08-20 19:04:39	nickolay_	don't need much, just "go to definition", "show type", debugger support
2017-08-20 19:04:53	nickolay_	and not emacs of course
2017-08-20 19:05:37	wz1000	nickolay_: HIE should be able to handle that.
2017-08-20 19:05:51	wz1000	other than the debugger
2017-08-20 19:05:57	robrix	wz1000: I think I have circleci set up correctly, but I think it needs to finish this build of master before I can build my PR branch.
2017-08-20 19:06:04	wz1000	Have you seen https://github.com/phoityne/phoityne-vscode
2017-08-20 19:06:38	robrix	ooh
2017-08-20 19:06:49	nickolay_	wz1000: I'll be trying it out periodically
2017-08-20 19:07:17	nickolay_	wasted so much time, just trying to setup 4 spaces indentation in emacs, insane..
2017-08-20 19:10:30	wz1000	robrix: nice. I will merge once ci passes
2017-08-20 19:19:02	nickolay_	crashed again..
2017-08-20 19:19:18	wz1000	nickolay_: are you getting any error messages
2017-08-20 19:19:24	wz1000	and is the hie binary installed?
2017-08-20 19:19:41	wz1000	try running `hie` on your terminal
2017-08-20 19:19:52	nickolay_	wz1000: may be, not sure I'm looking in the right place
2017-08-20 19:20:17	nickolay_	wz1000: I've followed the installation steps, did "stack install" and "npm install"
2017-08-20 19:20:52	wz1000	nickolay_: do you have `hie` on your path
2017-08-20 19:20:57	nickolay_	I'm on ubuntu 14 if that matters
2017-08-20 19:21:20	nickolay_	yes: which hie  -> /home/nickolay/.local/bin/hie
2017-08-20 19:22:11	wz1000	and it crashes as soon as you press F5?
2017-08-20 19:22:36	nickolay_	nope, after
2017-08-20 19:22:49	wz1000	does a new window open?
2017-08-20 19:22:57	nickolay_	yes
2017-08-20 19:23:23	wz1000	and it closes immediately afterward?
2017-08-20 19:23:26	wz1000	strange?
2017-08-20 19:23:30	nickolay_	nope, after some time
2017-08-20 19:23:37	nickolay_	may be it is/was related to the "hie" on path 
2017-08-20 19:23:46	wz1000	do you get anything in the "output" window?
2017-08-20 19:24:01	wz1000	also, try installing the extension through this: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=alanz.vscode-hie-server
2017-08-20 19:24:06	nickolay_	I've restarted the IDE from the command line and now it behaves differently 
2017-08-20 19:24:49	nickolay_	the output window in the "haskell" window is now filled and errors in the code highlighted (previously they weren't)
2017-08-20 19:25:06	wz1000	so it is working now?
2017-08-20 19:25:55	nickolay_	yes, seems so
2017-08-20 19:26:08	wz1000	nice
2017-08-20 19:27:33	wz1000	alanz: oops, ld segfaulted: https://circleci.com/gh/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/200?utm_campaign=vcs-integration-link&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=github-build-link
2017-08-20 19:29:08	wz1000	robrix: it might be a good idea to have a seperate stack-8.0.2.yaml and stack-8.2.1.yaml
2017-08-20 19:29:39	wz1000	since some dependencies(like apply-refact) have different versions for different compiler versions
2017-08-20 19:30:40	robrix	Makes sense
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2017-08-20 20:31:52	alanz	wz1000: Wow, a lot has been happening.
2017-08-20 20:32:06	alanz	I am travelling, so will only be able to look in from time to time.
2017-08-20 20:33:27	alanz	robrix: it is great to see GHC 8.2.1 support, I did work it into HaRe itself, testing against a bastardised ghc-mod. So I hope you used that branch of mine.
2017-08-20 20:34:13	robrix	alanz: I didn’t see it before I started ^_^;;
2017-08-20 20:34:35	alanz	So is it a parallel fix then?
2017-08-20 20:34:43	robrix	Yep
2017-08-20 20:35:20	alanz	ok, I will want to look at it in detail before merging.
2017-08-20 20:36:18	robrix	Of course!
2017-08-20 20:36:22	alanz	FYI, I use a (painful) style of explicit all-field pattern matching in HaRe so that when a new GHC comes out it alerts me as to what to look at
2017-08-20 20:37:24	alanz	And I have not taken 8.2.1 further to date because of the issues in ghc-mod, which fundamentally boil down to supporting Cabal 2.0
2017-08-20 20:37:39	robrix	I’m currently trying to sort out some issues with cabal-helper not building with stack (its setup script renames the install path and Cabal has an assert about this), but perhaps your branch resolves that
2017-08-20 20:37:43	alanz	And my time/understanding is not up for that
2017-08-20 20:37:52	alanz	nope
2017-08-20 20:38:20	alanz	robrix: also, re submodules. I find them an immense pain to work with,
2017-08-20 20:38:50	alanz	I would rather just use a local filepath reference in stack.yaml while working
2017-08-20 20:39:00	robrix	Fair enough.
2017-08-20 20:40:01	alanz	So, e.g. I just flip the commments in this: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/blob/limited-diagnostics/stack.yaml#L16
2017-08-20 20:40:16	alanz	and work against haskell-lsp on the file system
2017-08-20 20:40:47	alanz	To use a different repo, branch, commit via submodules is much more tricky to manage
2017-08-20 20:41:09	robrix	They’re certainly not without their headaches :)
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2017-08-20 20:41:36	alanz	Whenever I have been forced to work against a project using them I have hated it
2017-08-20 20:41:49	alanz	Possibly because my git submodule fu is not strong enough
2017-08-20 20:42:42	alanz	But I also believe in using fewer things rather than more, so stack can do it, I would rather do it all in stack, than partly there and partly in some other config file
2017-08-20 20:44:09	alanz	robrix: thanks for the efforts, please don't consider my comments a knock-down of what you have done
2017-08-20 20:44:43	robrix	No worries at all. I’m strongly inclined to work with whatever you folks prefer.
2017-08-20 20:46:25	alanz	ok.
2017-08-20 20:46:40	alanz	Great
2017-08-20 20:47:34	alanz	But my time is very limited for the next while, so I will only be able to look properly at some (unspecified) later point. Hopefully within a day or so.
2017-08-20 20:47:48	alanz	(family holiday atm)
2017-08-20 20:48:55	robrix	Enjoy your holiday! :)
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2017-08-20 23:03:53	robrix	wz1000: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/305 passed CI
2017-08-20 23:34:33	adelbertc	wz1000: just tested the fix, looks like it works, thanks!
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2017-08-21 01:28:06	--	Notice(GitHub51): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 closed pull request #305: Destructure ghc types with record syntax. (master...ghc-record-destructuring) https://git.io/v5fvb
2017-08-21 01:28:08	--	Notice(GitHub146): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/v5fWT
2017-08-21 01:28:08	--	Notice(GitHub146): haskell-ide-engine/master f440e06 Rob Rix: Destructure ghc types with record syntax.
2017-08-21 01:28:08	--	Notice(GitHub146): haskell-ide-engine/master 1cb6cf0 wz1000: Merge pull request #305 from robrix/ghc-record-destructuring...
2017-08-21 01:43:50	--	Notice(GitHub66): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 closed pull request #304: Use latest ghc-mod to fix mapped files issue (master...master) https://git.io/v5vQQ
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2017-08-21 01:43:50	--	Notice(GitHub130): haskell-ide-engine/master 53b9464 Zubin Duggal: Fork dispatcher manually
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2017-08-21 11:26:00	wz1000	alanz: the text-icu dependency is creating a lot of trouble - any change we could get rid of it?
2017-08-21 11:26:07	wz1000	s/change/chance/
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2017-08-21 11:53:46	Franciman	Hi
2017-08-21 11:59:22	wz1000	hello
2017-08-21 12:04:59	Franciman	I have a question
2017-08-21 12:05:03	Franciman	about lsp 
2017-08-21 12:05:15	Franciman	If I send a wrong initialize request (with wrong params)
2017-08-21 12:05:20	Franciman	I don't get back a response
2017-08-21 12:05:53	Franciman	but a notification showMessage
2017-08-21 12:05:59	Franciman	reporting the error
2017-08-21 12:07:02	Franciman	shouldn't I get a response anyways?
2017-08-21 12:13:02	Franciman	ehm sorry, the notification is
2017-08-21 12:13:12	Franciman	window/logMessage
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2017-08-21 13:02:16	wz1000	Franciman: sounds like a bug. the call to sendErrorLog should be replaced by sendErrorResponse
2017-08-21 13:03:15	wz1000	here https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Core.hs#L192
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2017-08-21 13:08:37	Franciman	understood
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2017-08-21 13:34:18	alanz	wz1000: I think we traced text-icu back to hspec?
2017-08-21 13:34:36	alanz	Is that where it comes from?
2017-08-21 13:37:45	wz1000	alanz: ok, I checked - it comes from yi-rope. So there is not much we can do about it
2017-08-21 13:38:56	alanz	Well, One thing I sort of considered was looking at the fingertree usage in https://github.com/Yuras/tide/blob/master/src/TextBuffer.hs
2017-08-21 13:39:40	alanz	But then again Yi.Rope is battletested, so can deal with encodings seen in the wild.
2017-08-21 13:39:44	alanz	Which will be needed
2017-08-21 13:43:10	 *	alanz away for the rest of the day
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2017-08-27 17:51:02	wz1000	alanz: I'm trying to get docs from haddock directly: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/tree/haddock-docs
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2017-08-27 22:37:35	alanz	wz1000: sounds interesting
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2017-08-27 23:41:39	wz1000	alanz: you can try it out on a project you have run stack haddock on
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2017-08-27 23:44:27	wz1000	It is a drop in replacement for hoogle in LspStdio
2017-08-27 23:51:53	alanz	wz1000: ok, will take a look when I have more time.
2017-08-27 23:52:07	alanz	nice idea
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2017-08-30 02:37:37	alanz	wz1000: I think I have sorted out the overlapping edits in applyWorkSpaceEdit
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2017-08-30 15:08:41	wz1000	alanz: nice. I saw your PRs
2017-08-30 15:09:11	alanz	I had to do a deep dive into what the diffs actually mean
2017-08-30 15:09:23	wz1000	have you tested the refactorings in vscode?
2017-08-30 15:09:40	alanz	And I think I want to add some tests with all possible changes, and see what comes out
2017-08-30 15:09:52	alanz	Yes, I have tested with vscode, and emacs
2017-08-30 15:10:18	alanz	Seems to work. The testing showed up the update, when adding to the end of a file, which was off by one
2017-08-30 15:10:56	alanz	And it logs the diff result prior to conversion, so we can investigate / debug if needed
2017-08-30 15:10:56	wz1000	nice, so all the HaRe refactorings work? That means you can make a new release of the vscode plugin
2017-08-30 15:11:05	alanz	That is my plan
2017-08-30 15:11:26	alanz	But I am first checking them with the emacs side, to make sure they all work there
2017-08-30 15:11:46	alanz	But there is some issue currently with parsing, which changed in master recently
2017-08-30 15:11:57	alanz	I want to spend some time on that soon
2017-08-30 15:11:59	wz1000	parsing what?
2017-08-30 15:12:17	alanz	Parsing output from hie.
2017-08-30 15:12:31	wz1000	in emacs lsp?
2017-08-30 15:12:34	alanz	But I saw it late last night, and did not have time to look much
2017-08-30 15:12:40	alanz	yes
2017-08-30 15:13:16	alanz	But it is with my rebase on the master branch, so I need to back that out first, try the vanilla one, then work out where the actual problem is
2017-08-30 15:13:53	alanz	But the vscode tests I did look good, lift (both kinds) and demote
2017-08-30 15:13:55	alanz	and rename
2017-08-30 15:14:35	alanz	And I reckon we could do things like dupDef by making up a new name based on the old one, and checking that it is not in scope
2017-08-30 15:14:56	alanz	So change HaRe to take a (Maybe newName) instead of newName
2017-08-30 15:15:16	alanz	and likewise for the others that need input like that
2017-08-30 15:15:27	alanz	Then use rename to patch it up after
2017-08-30 15:16:26	alanz	wz1000: Can I merge my PRs?
2017-08-30 15:17:03	alanz	btw, see also https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-mode/pull/110
2017-08-30 15:17:14	alanz	emacs lsp parser still being tweaked
2017-08-30 15:21:06	wz1000	alanz: ok
2017-08-30 15:22:09	--	Notice(GitHub36): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #312:  Sort out overlapping edits (master...sorted-changes) https://git.io/v5cuc
2017-08-30 15:22:09	--	Notice(GitHub119): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/v5CGi
2017-08-30 15:22:09	--	Notice(GitHub119): haskell-ide-engine/master 2b77821 Alan Zimmerman: When we receive an error, return it as a log line...
2017-08-30 15:22:09	--	Notice(GitHub119): haskell-ide-engine/master 5fa4710 Alan Zimmerman: Sort out overlapping edits...
2017-08-30 15:22:09	--	Notice(GitHub119): haskell-ide-engine/master c6aad6f Alan Zimmerman: Deal with adding at end of file...
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2017-08-30 18:20:56	wz1000	alanz: I've got documenation lookup from haddock working pretty well, but the problem is that the haddock interface file doesn't contain the types of symbols
2017-08-30 18:21:01	wz1000	as far as I can tell
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2017-08-30 21:13:12	alanz	wz1000: pity. I wonder if we can get them somewhere?
2017-08-30 21:15:09	alanz	And I see emacs lsp-mode is getting attention again. I guess GSOC is over :)
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2017-08-30 21:31:06	alanz	wz1000: Is there anything else that needs to happen to the vscode plugin, or can I publish a new version?
2017-08-30 21:31:17	alanz	I have been testing it for a while already
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2017-08-30 21:38:12	wz1000	alanz: no, I think it is ready
2017-08-30 21:38:33	alanz	ok, me too
2017-08-30 21:38:40	alanz	will do it shortly
2017-08-30 21:39:33	alanz	I just picked up that doing an undo in emacs sends multiple edits, which VFS applies from earliest to latest, leaving junk
2017-08-30 21:39:49	alanz	So I need to sort the edits in the didchange notification before applying them
2017-08-30 21:39:49	wz1000	alanz: we have the specialized type from ghc-mod already. Do we need the type as it appears in the docs?
2017-08-30 21:40:02	alanz	I don't think so
2017-08-30 21:40:25	wz1000	but I think the ghc-mod type can miss some constraints
2017-08-30 21:40:50	alanz	I don't know about that
2017-08-30 21:40:54	wz1000	if you hover over return, the type is Int -> m Int
2017-08-30 21:41:19	alanz	no (Monad m)
2017-08-30 21:41:22	alanz	?
2017-08-30 21:42:00	wz1000	yes
2017-08-30 21:42:26	alanz	ok. I wonder if that is a formatting issue along the way
2017-08-30 21:42:30	alanz	which loses it
2017-08-30 21:42:53	wz1000	one thing we can use haddock for is looking up the module a names documentation lives in
2017-08-30 21:43:47	alanz	yes.
2017-08-30 21:43:47	wz1000	so we can use hoogle to get docs, but get rid of this horrible hack: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs#L643
2017-08-30 21:44:09	alanz	I am getting tired of tags taking me to the wrong function
2017-08-30 21:44:21	alanz	In my existing emacs usage
2017-08-30 21:44:35	alanz	agree
2017-08-30 21:45:43	wz1000	I've been using vscode+hie+vim plugin for all my haskell dev recently
2017-08-30 21:46:31	alanz	nice
2017-08-30 21:46:45	alanz	vim in vscode? I use that too
2017-08-30 21:46:45	wz1000	still miss spacemacs amazing search and replace, but works quite well otherwise
2017-08-30 21:47:05	alanz	well, the emacs stuff looks to be catching up
2017-08-30 21:47:19	alanz	That parser problem has gone thanks to the merge earlier today
2017-08-30 21:47:24	wz1000	nice
2017-08-30 21:48:01	alanz	And things seem to be moving again, which is good to see
2017-08-30 21:48:13	alanz	Because I am also about ready to switch to it full time
2017-08-30 21:48:27	alanz	Just need to sort out this undo thing
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2017-08-31 01:23:13	alanz	wz1000: vscode extension updated. https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=alanz.vscode-hie-server
2017-08-31 01:23:28	alanz	get it while it is fresh
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2017-08-31 02:13:50	alanz	And we have an emacs problem: https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-mode/issues/112
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2017-08-31 02:22:19	BillSun[m]	Congrats on the vscode marketplace release!
2017-08-31 02:23:38	alanz	thanks
2017-08-31 02:23:44	alanz	inching along....
2017-08-31 02:43:01	alanz	And for more reliable emacs operation, see https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-mode/pull/113
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2017-08-31 03:20:24	--	Notice(GitHub129): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #313: The start and end range for an add operation should be the same (master...workspace-edit) https://git.io/v5W5d
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2017-08-31 12:15:03	wz1000	alanz: wrt your first point on the emacs-lsp pr, given any n consecutive didChange events, hie will only try to generate diagnostics twice: for the first notification, and for the last notification
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2017-08-31 15:14:36	alanz	wz1000: Great, I knew we were doing some optimisation.
2017-08-31 15:15:03	alanz	I was wondering if we should put a small delay between receiving a change and sending diagnostics.
2017-08-31 15:15:11	alanz	I reckon 10ms would be enough
2017-08-31 15:15:30	alanz	basically accumulate the changes in the server, rather than the client
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2017-08-31 19:52:49	francesco_	Hi
2017-08-31 19:55:19	wz1000	hello
2017-08-31 19:56:51	francesco_	hi wz1000 
2017-08-31 20:06:30	francesco_	Hey, do you have any idea how VSCode calculates the TextEdits to sent through textDocument/didChange?
2017-08-31 20:08:38	wz1000	no. HIE has a diff to text edit function though, so maybe you can take a look at that
2017-08-31 20:09:25	francesco_	wz1000, you use something like `diff` tool?
2017-08-31 20:09:31	francesco_	is it slow, in your experience?
2017-08-31 20:09:41	francesco_	because for my client I wanted to support incremental updates
2017-08-31 20:09:55	francesco_	but I wasn't sure about how to implement it, and one way was to use `diff`~
2017-08-31 20:12:18	wz1000	francesco_: I haven't noticed any signifact slowdown. 
2017-08-31 20:12:22	wz1000	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/PluginUtils.hs#L142
2017-08-31 20:12:26	wz1000	francesco_: ^
2017-08-31 20:13:08	wz1000	it uses https://hackage.haskell.org/package/Diff
2017-08-31 20:15:54	francesco_	thanks wz1000 
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2017-08-31 21:25:15	alanz	francesco_: at the client side, do you not already have access to the changes as they happen?
2017-08-31 21:25:29	alanz	Because diff is potentially an expensive operation
2017-08-31 21:25:52	alanz	wz1000: did you see that cross-reference index for stackage 9.2?
2017-08-31 21:30:18	francesco_	alanz, I'm afraid I am not
2017-08-31 21:30:35	francesco_	but I'll ask 
2017-08-31 21:30:46	francesco_	I mean, in princple yes
2017-08-31 21:30:48	alanz	They should be, it is an editor after all
2017-08-31 21:30:54	francesco_	but it could be really lengthy
2017-08-31 21:30:59	francesco_	I should intercept all keys pressed
2017-08-31 21:31:03	francesco_	and record the changes
2017-08-31 21:31:21	francesco_	I hope there is a faster way
2017-08-31 21:31:33	francesco_	thanks
2017-08-31 21:31:46	alanz	how does syntax highlighting etc get triggered?
2017-08-31 21:32:05	alanz	There must be something that gets told that a region has changed in some way
2017-08-31 21:32:15	alanz	and not just the key logger stuff
2017-08-31 21:32:19	francesco_	ah, by the way, I updated hie, but if I send a wrong initialize I still don't get a response
2017-08-31 21:32:35	francesco_	only the logMessage
2017-08-31 21:32:43	francesco_	alanz, I'll look into it, thanks for the hint
2017-08-31 21:33:53	alanz	francesco_: it is kakoune, right?
2017-08-31 21:33:58	alanz	in which case https://github.com/mawww/kakoune/blob/467f5547d5afa37f6c5acaad824b9a5cdd8b2a08/src/changes.cc
2017-08-31 21:34:21	francesco_	yeah!
2017-08-31 21:34:32	francesco_	yes I saw it
2017-08-31 21:34:43	francesco_	but I couldn't find a way to use that from scripting
2017-08-31 21:35:08	francesco_	btw syntax highlighting is done with regex, you say add-highlighter and specify a regex
2017-08-31 21:35:12	alanz	best ask the core devs then
2017-08-31 21:35:42	alanz	it models vim, or is it from scratch on the scripting side?
2017-08-31 21:35:56	francesco_	from scratch
2017-08-31 21:36:29	alanz	ok, so you will have to request it then
2017-08-31 21:36:40	francesco_	well, thank you
2017-08-31 21:36:41	alanz	and/or submit a patch
2017-08-31 21:36:58	alanz	it will benefit all LSP users on kakoune
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2017-08-31 21:56:10	wz1000	francesco_: this should fix the error response stuff
2017-08-31 21:56:13	wz1000	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/60
2017-08-31 21:56:16	wz1000	alanz: ^
2017-08-31 21:57:09	wz1000	alanz: this pr has been open for a while: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/58
2017-08-31 21:57:20	alanz	wz1000: will merge when the tests pass
2017-08-31 21:57:24	alanz	58, that is
2017-08-31 21:57:36	alanz	60, I meant
2017-08-31 21:58:00	alanz	I recall discussing 58, and it was being applied in the wrong place
2017-08-31 21:58:15	alanz	As in it should have been in hie, or ghc-mod
2017-08-31 21:58:30	alanz	and so I did not merge it, as I was not sure
2017-08-31 21:59:11	alanz	but it looks fine, will merge
2017-08-31 21:59:51	francesco_	very well
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2017-08-31 22:08:34	alanz	francesco_: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/58 is yours?
2017-08-31 22:09:13	alanz	arrowsvc_: your build plugin compiles with a lot of warnings
2017-08-31 22:09:32	alanz	Would you mind if I turn pedantic on for it, and clean them up?
2017-08-31 22:11:09	francesco_	alanz, you mean my pull request or my issue?
2017-08-31 22:11:32	alanz	I mean PR 58
2017-08-31 22:11:53	alanz	by user @Friede80
2017-08-31 22:12:12	alanz	is that you?
2017-08-31 22:14:18	francesco_	nope
2017-08-31 22:14:30	francesco_	ehm sorry
2017-08-31 22:14:41	francesco_	I explained myself badly :P
2017-08-31 22:14:45	francesco_	by the way it's not me
2017-08-31 22:14:47	francesco_	I'm Franciman
2017-08-31 22:16:48	alanz	Ok. I know that :)
2017-08-31 22:17:02	alanz	This is what happens if you take a short holiday
2017-08-31 22:17:23	alanz	And also when we start getting lots of contributors :)
2017-08-31 22:22:02	francesco_	ahah
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2017-08-31 22:22:31	Franciman	alanz, yeah, both of those things are really cool, though!
2017-08-31 22:22:54	alanz	agree
2017-08-31 22:23:10	alanz	And now it is easier to map you to your github stuff
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2017-08-31 23:11:10	arrowsvc_	alanz: Ofc I don't. I planned to do that myself, but 1 September is soon, so I got carried by $WORK.
2017-08-31 23:12:21	alanz	I know the feeling. Ok, it gives me a chance to look at the code in detail too.
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2017-08-31 23:23:18	JuanDaugherty	i c
2017-08-31 23:27:04	JuanDaugherty	see I have a prior log, so did in fact know of
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2017-09-01 21:26:42	arrowsvc	So, what happened to [-c|--console|--repl] ?
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2017-09-02 00:22:06	Franciman	Hey!
2017-09-02 00:24:37	Franciman	Up to your knowledge is $/cancelRequest only a notification that clients can send to servers or can also servers send it to clients?
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2017-09-02 01:30:44	xft0	hi, trying to install hie on win7, got "Missing C libraries: icuuc, icuin, icudt" ... Readme mentions only macOS problem... any hints?
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2017-09-02 03:20:54	wz1000	Franciman: I don't know , hie doesn't cancel any requests it sends to the client
2017-09-02 03:22:29	Franciman	thanks
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2017-09-04 01:08:20	alanz	It struck me we should try to integrate liquid haskell for diagnostics some time
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2017-09-06 12:58:17	mpickering	alanz: I am struggling a bit to port some GHC API code, could you perhaps help me out at lunch today?
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2017-09-06 18:07:46	heebo	hello ive done stack install for haskell-ide-engine but i cannot find the hie.el file
2017-09-06 18:07:57	heebo	does anyone know what i have done wrong?
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2017-09-07 15:05:52	arrowsvc_	It has become quiet. Where are everyone?
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2017-09-07 15:36:58	wz1000	alanz: have you seen https://github.com/ekmett/coda
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2017-09-07 23:36:16	alanz	arrowsvc: I am at icfp, so not really touching sides. And have been travelling for the past couple of weeks.
2017-09-07 23:36:30	alanz	Normality (for me) will resume on tuesday
2017-09-07 23:36:50	alanz	wz1000: I looked based on your message.
2017-09-07 23:37:16	alanz	And I spoke to ekmett about it. He did not know about haskell-lsp, so rolled his own before
2017-09-07 23:37:51	alanz	And is experimenting with the language server, making up a language that is easy to incrementally analyse as he goes along
2017-09-07 23:38:14	alanz	But there is some nice stuff for managing position independent stuff that I want to look into
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2017-09-08 17:20:10	wz1000	alanz: I've got haddock-docs working pretty well now, with links to the haddock generated source and documentation htmls
2017-09-08 17:21:18	wz1000	but I can't figure out how to get vscode to open the links in the browser instead of the editor
2017-09-08 17:47:51	--	Notice(GitHub55): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #316: Haddock docs (master...haddock-docs) https://git.io/v5ohP
2017-09-08 17:48:02	wz1000	alanz: don't merge yet
2017-09-08 17:48:28	wz1000	I want to add a way to choose haddock or hoogle via configuration
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2017-09-08 22:34:41	alanz	wz1000: Sounds great
2017-09-08 22:35:22	alanz	I am planning on doing a demo at HIW tomorrow, is your branch solid enough?
2017-09-08 22:35:26	alanz	Or should I stick with master
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2017-09-08 23:02:23	wz1000	alanz: there is the documentation links issue, but that happens on master too when you use a custom hoogle db(not the default `hoogle generate`) one
2017-09-08 23:02:28	wz1000	it is your call
2017-09-08 23:02:41	wz1000	I don't know of any other issues
2017-09-08 23:03:13	alanz	ok, I will try yours, and if it holds up with what I want to show I will go with it
2017-09-08 23:03:40	alanz	A lot of people are pretty excited with what is coming. You have done a really good job this HSOC
2017-09-08 23:45:38	arrowsvc	wz1000: I see HIE started to require reqId parameter when using JsonStdio. Is that your working?
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2017-09-08 23:58:21	alanz	arrowsvc: is that a problem?
2017-09-08 23:59:04	alanz	It gives you the ability to cancel a request if it is still in the Q and not processed yet
2017-09-09 00:00:44	arrowsvc	It is OK, just asking.
2017-09-09 00:00:55	arrowsvc	What should I pass there? Arbitrary string?
2017-09-09 00:03:25	alanz	It is supposed to be a number
2017-09-09 00:03:27	alanz	I think
2017-09-09 00:03:35	alanz	And it can always be the same
2017-09-09 00:10:03	arrowsvc	Ok, then what about --repl? It doesn't seem to work.
2017-09-09 00:12:33	alanz	I think that got stripped out.
2017-09-09 00:12:57	alanz	It was always a bid dodgy, to be honest
2017-09-09 00:16:33	arrowsvc	I've successfully used it when testing new command.
2017-09-09 00:19:35	alanz	ok, that was the original intention too
2017-09-09 00:20:44	alanz	We could probably resurrect it, but are trying to keep the code base smaller, if possible
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2017-09-09 01:03:00	wz1000	arrowsvc: --repl would be quite straightfoward to implement
2017-09-09 01:05:53	wz1000	You just need to provide suitable definitions for outWriter and getNextReq
2017-09-09 01:05:57	wz1000	https://github.com/arrowd/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/JsonStdio.hs#L95
2017-09-09 01:07:07	alanz	wz1000: I see in the lsp spec it says "* Note that markdown strings will be sanitized - that means html will be escaped."
2017-09-09 01:07:39	alanz	And I get what you do to, the link opens as an editor pane, raw source
2017-09-09 01:08:55	wz1000	hmm. does that mean we need to santize the strings before sending them?
2017-09-09 01:10:16	wz1000	vscode doesn't seem to  expose a way to open those in the browser
2017-09-09 01:10:22	alanz	Well, most of the stuff being rendered in the pop-up windows seems fine.
2017-09-09 01:10:47	alanz	They have a documentLinks command, I wonder if that is for this purpose
2017-09-09 01:12:00	alanz	But I imagine there is some specific markdown command for a link. 
2017-09-09 01:12:01	wz1000	there are a few bugs. The renderer for hoogle docs should work better.
2017-09-09 01:12:12	wz1000	I am using the link command
2017-09-09 01:12:25	alanz	I wonder what happens if you send it as [link text](http://...)
2017-09-09 01:12:32	alanz	ok, nice
2017-09-09 01:12:50	wz1000	yes, that is how I do it
2017-09-09 01:13:03	wz1000	instead, it is file://
2017-09-09 01:13:14	wz1000	as the docs are installed locally
2017-09-09 01:13:27	alanz	When I originally looked at that, it looked to me like the documentLinks command was to resolve a url which is possibly on a remote server
2017-09-09 01:14:00	wz1000	if it is http:// , it opens in the browser
2017-09-09 01:14:02	alanz	So if it referred to say a file or something where the server runs, then it can pass it through to open it
2017-09-09 01:14:09	wz1000	but not if it is file://
2017-09-09 01:14:34	alanz	ok, so I am running against locally installed haddocks, and it is opening it locally
2017-09-09 01:15:03	alanz	I am going to ignore this stuff for my demo tomorrow
2017-09-09 01:15:20	alanz	I also had a case where brittany seemed to do nothing
2017-09-09 01:15:49	wz1000	if you switch to the master branch and use the hoogle docs, it should get you the http:// hackage links
2017-09-09 01:15:57	alanz	Running against the HarePlugin in hie, trying to reformat one of the data definitions
2017-09-09 01:16:04	alanz	ok, will do that
2017-09-09 01:16:10	wz1000	if you run it on a project which doesn't have docs built
2017-09-09 01:16:31	wz1000	So no stack haddock, stack hoogle or cabal documentation:true
2017-09-09 01:16:52	wz1000	If it has local docs, it will use those
2017-09-09 01:17:10	alanz	ok, I just did stack haddock on hie
2017-09-09 01:17:31	alanz	never mind, this is all work in progress, what we have is really impressive anyway
2017-09-09 01:17:40	wz1000	 then the links will open locally(in vscode)
2017-09-09 01:18:23	alanz	ok, but I will just show the hover doc so long
2017-09-09 01:18:35	alanz	The completion thing with mini docs looks really slick
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2017-09-09 01:24:08	wz1000	those still need to be moved to haddock
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2017-09-09 01:29:54	alanz	ok
2017-09-09 01:30:24	alanz	I am switching to the master branch though, that way I can tell people to get it there now
2017-09-09 01:47:58	wz1000	I find the higlight (especially with RecordWilddcards) quite useful
2017-09-09 01:54:33	wz1000	I think most of our plugin functions can be reduced to something pure like (CachedModule -> a)
2017-09-09 01:54:45	wz1000	then we can run them async
2017-09-09 01:56:12	wz1000	so we have a ghc monad thread that produces diagnostics and updates the artifact cache. And most of our functionality is pure functions that read the artifact cache.
2017-09-09 01:57:38	wz1000	alanz: btw, I have high framerate/quality original recordings of the gifs on the Readme
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2017-09-09 02:44:37	alanz	wz1000: sounds great
2017-09-09 02:56:26	alanz	wz1000: I am planning on actually doing a demo, and if I did show the videos it is via a projector anyway, so the quality tends to be pretty bad to start with
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2017-09-10 00:45:42	alanz	if anyone is interested, my talk slides are here: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/docs/IDE-Support-in-GHC-HIW-2017.pdf
2017-09-10 00:47:12	--	Notice(GitHub20): [haskell-ide-engine] ismailmustafa opened pull request #318: Fix builds on macOS (master...master) https://git.io/v5iIN
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2017-09-10 02:27:56	wz1000	alanz: hey! how was your talk?
2017-09-10 02:44:22	alanz	wz1000: it was good
2017-09-10 02:44:40	alanz	I ran with the haddock branch, and they seemed impressed by seeing the docs
2017-09-10 02:45:18	alanz	I did not do a systematic demo though, it was intended to be "it exists, it works well, these are the next things to do"
2017-09-10 02:45:35	alanz	But we ended up spending a lot of time on it, and I think it was well received
2017-09-10 02:46:54	wz1000	great
2017-09-10 02:47:33	wz1000	how was the workshop?
2017-09-10 02:53:35	wz1000	will there be video of the talk?
2017-09-10 03:02:14	alanz	wz1000: the workshop was good, and I am pretty sure there will be a video
2017-09-10 03:02:37	alanz	And I think we are going to see an uptick in bug reports, as people start trying it out
2017-09-10 03:03:32	alanz	But it was really well received. Getting the IDE space solidly sorted is important
2017-09-10 03:03:51	alanz	And your work has been a big impetus for this
2017-09-10 03:05:46	wz1000	so what is coda ?
2017-09-10 03:05:59	wz1000	Is it similar to the incremental parsing stuff you are doing?
2017-09-10 03:06:03	alanz	It is a thing ekmett is working on
2017-09-10 03:06:36	alanz	BUT, he is making up the language as he goes along, to be easy to parse incrementally, and to be able to experiment with LSP
2017-09-10 03:06:53	alanz	But I think we will be able to cross-pollinate some stuff from there
2017-09-10 03:06:55	wz1000	what is he using lsp for?
2017-09-10 03:07:43	alanz	Playing with it, in the context of this language he is making up
2017-09-10 03:08:14	alanz	I think he makes quite a lot of languages, and he has one for some limited domain that he wants to experiment with.
2017-09-10 03:09:18	alanz	I also had a guy called Michael Adams chat to me after, and referred me to some work he had done, at https://michaeldadams.org/papers/layout_parsing/
2017-09-10 03:09:41	alanz	Which is specifically around managing the incremental lexer for a layout sensitive language
2017-09-10 03:11:04	wz1000	alanz: BTW apparently the text-icu dependency has been removed from yi-rope, so if we update the stack.yaml to the correct version, that should fix many of the installation failures
2017-09-10 03:11:16	alanz	I saw that.
2017-09-10 03:11:38	alanz	And I had someone on windows come up to me about an hour after the talk saying it would not install
2017-09-10 03:11:58	alanz	But I am sort of in-between things right now, so did not consider a merge.
2017-09-10 03:12:08	alanz	But if you make the change, just do it
2017-09-10 03:12:20	alanz	I will be travelling for the next 36 hrs
2017-09-10 03:12:34	alanz	Until midday monday
2017-09-10 03:12:47	wz1000	ok. it is late here so I will probably do it tommorrow
2017-09-10 03:12:52	alanz	great
2017-09-10 03:13:11	alanz	But this thing is shaping up really nicely at the moment
2017-09-10 03:13:30	wz1000	alanz: also, I was filling out the final evaluation
2017-09-10 03:13:38	alanz	I am going to start using it as my primary ide once I get back, especially as I no longer know how to operate emacs mode
2017-09-10 03:13:55	alanz	wz1000: yes? I did mine too, all positive
2017-09-10 03:14:34	wz1000	here's what I have for the 'evidence of progress section"
2017-09-10 03:14:37	wz1000	See https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine for a list of features
2017-09-10 03:14:37	wz1000	HIE supports a significant portion of the Language Server Protocol and it has now been put into daily use by a small but growing community of users. It is being used to provide IDE like functionality with editors including vscode, atom, neovim, kakoune, and emacs.
2017-09-10 03:14:39	wz1000	HIE has also started getting significant contributions from these users(cross-platform compatibility, editor integration, exposing more HIE features, etc.). The HIE issue tracker has also become very active.
2017-09-10 03:15:22	alanz	I put a link to your progress report, and a link to contributors on the project. Lots of evidence there :)
2017-09-10 03:15:42	alanz	But what you said sounds fine
2017-09-10 03:17:53	alanz	There is nothing marginal about this result, as far as I am concerned. You have done a very good job.
2017-09-10 03:17:54	alanz	Aside, the vscode plugin has been installed 206 times from the marketplace
2017-09-10 03:17:58	wz1000	nice
2017-09-10 03:19:46	wz1000	I wonder what proportion of those installs come from people who came to know about hie from the vscode marketplace
2017-09-10 03:20:06	alanz	I also bumped into Alexey Raga and John Ky. They are both using hie full time for their day jobs, in vscode
2017-09-10 03:20:13	alanz	No idea
2017-09-10 03:20:40	alanz	It was at 129 when I pushed out the second version, so I do not know how many of those are updates too
2017-09-10 03:21:20	alanz	BTW, the next version of haddock apparently has a search function built in
2017-09-10 03:21:39	alanz	Which is being used in the new hackage, which was updated recently
2017-09-10 03:22:52	wz1000	btw, the haddock plugin is using an older version of haddock-api. I think we would need CPP to work with ghc 8.2 and the newer haddock-api
2017-09-10 03:23:16	wz1000	because the modules have been shuffled around.
2017-09-10 03:23:34	wz1000	haddock-plugin should be the only thing that needs cpp in HIE
2017-09-10 03:23:39	wz1000	for 8.2
2017-09-10 03:23:53	alanz	If you press "s" when browsing a package, this becomes available. On hackage, now.
2017-09-10 03:24:24	wz1000	ah. Is that implmented in hackage or haddock?
2017-09-10 03:25:11	alanz	it is in the haddock api, for the next version to be released, and exposed on hackage
2017-09-10 03:25:38	alanz	So the UI is on haddock, but the search function is in haddock, on some branch currently
2017-09-10 03:26:08	alanz	or current master
2017-09-10 03:26:26	alanz	It might be worth investigating though, for the haddock plugin
2017-09-10 03:26:42	alanz	Not sure if the whole haddock db needs to be built with it though
2017-09-10 03:26:45	wz1000	hmm. I can't see it in https://hackage.haskell.org/package/haddock-api-2.18.1
2017-09-10 03:27:08	alanz	it is not released. Look at https://github.com/haskell/haddock
2017-09-10 03:27:44	alanz	Look at the commits: https://github.com/haskell/haddock/commits/master
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2017-09-10 03:28:05	alanz	they seem to be talking about js stuff
2017-09-10 03:28:25	alanz	so maybe not useful for us, but worth looking into
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2017-09-10 20:27:47	hexagoxel	wz1000: perhaps you can have another look at #289?
2017-09-10 20:43:18	wz1000	hexagoxel: so T.lines needs to be changed to T.splitOn '\n'
2017-09-10 20:43:20	wz1000	?
2017-09-10 20:45:41	hexagoxel	wz1000: i am not sure what the other end of that interface expects.
2017-09-10 20:53:35	hexagoxel	and lines itself is not the issue - the problem is that if the plugin host expects lines in the sense of T.lines, and in some way treats stuff similar to T.unlines, then this might explain the observation.
2017-09-10 20:54:23	wz1000	ok, I will experiment with it
2017-09-10 20:55:13	hexagoxel	In brittany i fixed this by using T.intercalate "\n" and T.splitOn. Because these two _do_ form a bijection.
2017-09-10 20:57:12	hexagoxel	but if you use splitOn to create lines, and then process these lines in some way that you append a final newline again, the issue won't be fixed.
2017-09-10 20:59:55	hexagoxel	(in fact you'd make it worse..)
2017-09-10 21:01:08	hexagoxel	wz1000: there is an alternative still, if changing the plugin interface semantics in this way is too confusing..
2017-09-10 21:01:34	hexagoxel	some flag to make brittany not reproduce the spaces in the last line.
2017-09-10 21:01:44	hexagoxel	flag/config value.
2017-09-10 21:02:54	hexagoxel	although this behaviour in general is useful when one wants to mark a region and reformat it which does not end in a newline..
2017-09-10 21:04:32	hexagoxel	but you may also consider it inconsistent when trailing spaces generally are removed.
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2017-09-11 17:23:22	freeman42x1	I got this error inside VS Code HIE plugin: https://slack-files.com/T0432GV8P-F70E9CVJ5-51af0557b1
2017-09-11 17:23:54	freeman42x1	Operating system is NixOS, and the server version should be latest
2017-09-11 17:24:02	freeman42x1	HIE server I mean
2017-09-11 17:26:27	alanz	freeman42x1: It is actually just debug logging
2017-09-11 17:26:33	alanz	Does anything else work?
2017-09-11 17:26:52	alanz	if you hover over a type, or variable, does anything show up?
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2017-09-11 17:29:52	freeman42x1	alanz: giving it a try now
2017-09-11 17:31:55	freeman42x1	Shows this after `Loading...` on hover
2017-09-11 17:31:59	freeman42x1	https://paste2.org/tZ4D7aFD
2017-09-11 17:32:09	freeman42x1	the `Loading...` dissappears with no effect
2017-09-11 17:33:43	alanz	freeman42x1: I suspect there is a problem with the nix integration then
2017-09-11 17:33:54	alanz	And I have no idea how to help with that
2017-09-11 17:34:51	freeman42x1	alanz: any idea what kind of problem? maybe I am missing something in the path?
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2017-09-11 17:37:25	freeman42x1	Similar issue: https://github.com/felixfbecker/php-language-server/issues/290
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2017-09-11 18:11:32	freeman42x1	alanz: why do you think it is a Nix integration problem? maybe that could help me track the issue down
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2017-09-11 18:50:18	alanz	well, you are on nix, the library is segfaulting, it does not do that on other platforms
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2017-09-11 19:33:56	freeman42x1	alanz: I checked a lot of issues like that and they happen on all platforms :-??
2017-09-11 19:38:37	alanz	ok, well if you can replicate it on linux I can take a look, else make an issue and someone with that platform can take a look
2017-09-11 19:38:53	alanz	The line about the settings being ignored is benign
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2017-09-11 21:32:02	freeman42x1	alanz: I will try to replicate it on another linux distribution... on which other distribution would you like me to try?
2017-09-11 21:32:11	freeman42x1	`The line about the settings being ignored is benign`
2017-09-11 21:32:11	freeman42x1	what do you mean?
2017-09-11 21:32:41	alanz	I mean that shows up in my output panel on vscode whenever I start a new server by opening a file
2017-09-11 21:33:06	alanz	And I use debian testing, so that is the easiest for me to replicate, but ubuntu is also close enough
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2017-09-12 03:01:35	--	Notice(GitHub74): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #318: Fix builds on macOS (master...master) https://git.io/v5iIN
2017-09-12 03:01:36	--	Notice(GitHub195): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/v518D
2017-09-12 03:01:36	--	Notice(GitHub195): haskell-ide-engine/master 47e63ff Ismail Mustafa: Use latest yi-rope
2017-09-12 03:01:36	--	Notice(GitHub195): haskell-ide-engine/master f50017f Ismail Mustafa: Update readme
2017-09-12 03:01:36	--	Notice(GitHub195): haskell-ide-engine/master 4097204 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #318 from ismailmustafa/master...
2017-09-12 03:02:09	alanz	Anyone with windows or nix, please try to build the current master
2017-09-12 03:02:25	alanz	No longer needs text-icu, should work, else report an issue
2017-09-12 03:03:32	alanz	And if anyone is interested, https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/ghc-8.2.1 builds with ghc 8.2.1, but the tests do not pass yet
2017-09-12 03:04:05	alanz	which I am hoping is because the stack files for the test projects do not specify ghc 8.2.1
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2017-09-13 00:23:01	wz1000	alanz, Lierdakil: https://blog.atom.io/2017/09/12/announcing-atom-ide.html
2017-09-13 00:23:31	alanz	awesome
2017-09-13 00:23:55	alanz	have you tried it?
2017-09-13 00:24:52	wz1000	no
2017-09-13 00:25:27	alanz	ok. Good timing, given FB is using haskell for their sigma thing
2017-09-13 00:25:51	alanz	and hie has just been made usable, as of this summer :)
2017-09-13 00:26:23	alanz	And interesting to me that Simon Marlow was one of the first watchers of hie, in github
2017-09-13 00:45:30	Lierdakil	FWIW, this thing: https://github.com/atom-haskell/hie-lsp-adapter -- you remember it, right? -- uses the thing they're announcing
2017-09-13 00:46:33	wz1000	yeah, I noticed.
2017-09-13 00:47:28	Lierdakil	So I've seen that coming. There are a few buts, however. atom-ide-ui is rather rigid, a bit too much so for my taste.
2017-09-13 00:47:48	wz1000	we have a pending pr to document using your atom plugin to the HIE readme
2017-09-13 00:48:08	Lierdakil	I know. I commented on that -_-
2017-09-13 00:48:37	wz1000	what do you mean by "rigid"?
2017-09-13 00:53:10	Lierdakil	It doesn't allow for much customization, and API can require a rather particular workflow.
2017-09-13 00:57:47	alanz	Lierdakil: that seems to be the same in vscode too
2017-09-13 00:58:14	alanz	And you have to work out the intent of the usage of the LSP, to understand how to actually do tings
2017-09-13 00:58:19	alanz	things
2017-09-13 00:58:38	Lierdakil	atom-ide-ui isn't directly related to LSP though
2017-09-13 00:58:54	Lierdakil	it's just a collection of UI components
2017-09-13 00:59:02	Lierdakil	alanz: ^
2017-09-13 00:59:54	Lierdakil	it has UI components for most things LSP needs, though, so that's something
2017-09-13 01:00:07	alanz	ok, but that blog post says they will be supporting LSP
2017-09-13 01:01:04	alanz	And the client side will be hooked into those UI components somehow
2017-09-13 01:01:11	Lierdakil	there's an npm library that does the boilerplate to connect LSP to atom-ide-ui
2017-09-13 01:02:02	Lierdakil	but that thing's even more rigid -- you can't really do much except plop an LSP server in the middle and hope it works out
2017-09-13 01:02:58	Lierdakil	it's fine for what it is, but really awkward to extend, at least in my experience.
2017-09-13 01:03:39	Lierdakil	So basically either do the boilerplate yourself, or just do the intended thing -- plop LSP server in the middle and hope it works out
2017-09-13 01:04:42	Lierdakil	I've spent no more than a couple evenings with it though, so I might be missing something
2017-09-13 01:07:44	Lierdakil	a simple example: at least when I was playing with it, there was no obvious way to control how tooltips are invoket. basically, you only have one option: ctrl+mouseover
2017-09-13 01:08:17	Lierdakil	if you want something else, you have to reimplement most of the boilerplate, both interfacing with LSP and atom-ide-ui
2017-09-13 01:08:44	Lierdakil	"something else" being a keybinding or mouseover without modifier -- you get the point.
2017-09-13 01:10:07	Lierdakil	basically what I'm trying to say is it's nice they're adding support for that stuff
2017-09-13 01:10:35	Lierdakil	but the way they're going about it doesn't make me want to drop everything and use that
2017-09-13 01:11:56	Lierdakil	alanz: ^
2017-09-13 01:12:48	alanz	Lierdakil: brb
2017-09-13 01:17:41	alanz	Lierdakil: what you are describing is the same in vscode
2017-09-13 01:18:02	alanz	And I guess it makes sense, in that you then have a standard way of interacting with a language server
2017-09-13 01:18:44	alanz	But it makes it hard to do something like add the HaRe commands, especially the ones that take extra parameters, like the name for a new definition
2017-09-13 01:19:25	Lierdakil	That too, but I'm more concerned with UX
2017-09-13 01:20:18	Lierdakil	As it is, there's no direct way to make user interaction configurable, which I find really sad for a "hackable text editor for 21st century"
2017-09-13 01:22:17	Lierdakil	so the choice is: either awkwardly hack around, reimplement a lot of boilerplate, or just give up and take what you're given, so to speak
2017-09-13 01:23:40	Lierdakil	alanz: ^
2017-09-13 01:24:11	alanz	yes. 
2017-09-13 01:24:21	alanz	I guess it works for me as a server side dev
2017-09-13 01:24:42	alanz	I can kick it over the wall and let hordes of client side people work on it
2017-09-13 01:25:13	alanz	And from that point, the more it is a drop-in thing the more likely it is to work everywhere, without requiring extensive optimisatino
2017-09-13 01:25:38	alanz	A bit like those lowest common denominator things you get for cross-platform mobile dev
2017-09-13 01:26:54	Lierdakil	Well, for that -- it's all fine. Not much fun to try to make something that's not the lowest common denominator though
2017-09-13 01:28:34	alanz	I know. So it is good for me, but not for you
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2017-09-13 23:27:18	ongy	shouldn't this be listed here http://langserver.org/
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2017-09-13 23:50:27	--	Notice(GitHub119): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v5SBl
2017-09-13 23:50:28	--	Notice(GitHub119): haskell-ide-engine/master b33ffa2 Alan Zimmerman: Install vscode plugin from the market...
2017-09-14 00:30:12	alanz	So my ghc-8.2.1 branch is green on circleCI
2017-09-14 00:30:48	alanz	And now we hit the stack dilemma. Supporting more than one compiler at the same time.
2017-09-14 00:39:35	hexagoxel	alanz: you mean supporting not only multiple ghcs, but multiple ltss?
2017-09-14 00:40:34	alanz	well, basically having more than one stack.yaml. I will just rename them for the compiler, and call with an env var or someting
2017-09-14 00:41:49	hexagoxel	ah, doing that is almost common already, isn't it.
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2017-09-14 00:45:24	alanz	Just need support in circleCI for more than one build per commit
2017-09-14 00:47:06	hexagoxel	now that you mention it.. do you build brittany as a dep in the CI? has its compile-time caused any issues?
2017-09-14 00:48:03	alanz	it builds fine. I had to bump a dep for 8.2.1 I think. Look at the stack.yaml on my branch
2017-09-14 00:50:28	hexagoxel	ok, great. perhaps it is just travis that is so slow/inconsistent.
2017-09-14 00:52:55	hexagoxel	one more question: is there any util in exactprint for splitting up the Anns map into multiple submaps (one for each top-level module element) ?
2017-09-14 00:57:33	alanz	hexagoxel: not that I know of. But I suggest asking on #haskell-refactorer, either afarmer or ocharles may be able to help, I know both are using the lib
2017-09-14 00:58:48	ocharles	None that I know of either
2017-09-14 00:59:30	hexagoxel	ok, thanks.
2017-09-14 00:59:51	alanz	hexagoxel: PR welcome
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2017-09-18 00:52:20	arrowsvc_	wz1000: I keep getting "Error in $: key reqId not present" error even if I pass reqId.
2017-09-18 00:52:43	arrowsvc_	My request looks like "{\n    \"cmd\": \"build:isConfigured\",\n    \"params\": {\n        \"mode\": {\n            \"text\": \"stack\"\n        },\n        \"reqId\": 0\n    }\n}\n"
2017-09-18 01:08:52	wz1000	arrowsvc_: try req_id
2017-09-18 01:11:32	arrowsvc_	wz1000: Didn't helped.
2017-09-18 01:12:09	wz1000	hmm
2017-09-18 01:14:05	arrowsvc_	Aha. I put it into "params".
2017-09-18 01:22:53	arrowsvc_	Ugh. Now all that logging gets in the way.
2017-09-18 01:29:22	arrowsvc_	Ok, now HIE just simply don't answer to my request.
2017-09-18 01:33:21	arrowsvc_	And nothing in the log.
2017-09-18 01:33:23	arrowsvc_	Ideas?
2017-09-18 01:40:32	alanz	arrowsvc_: put logging in to the transport, and see what it says
2017-09-18 02:28:54	arrowsvc_	Sigh.
2017-09-18 02:30:01	alanz	I can take a look tomorrow, been caught up with stuff today
2017-09-18 02:30:31	alanz	Do you have any kind of tests for it? That I can use to reproduce the issue
2017-09-18 02:31:20	arrowsvc_	Nope, just running KDevelop with it.
2017-09-18 02:37:24	alanz	ok, I will see what logging I can put in. One command line do you use to run hie?
2017-09-18 02:38:27	arrowsvc_	hie -r myproject
2017-09-18 02:39:13	alanz	ok
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2017-09-18 12:13:18	alanz	arrowsvc_: The message the JSONSTIO side is deserialising is https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/JsonStdio.hs#L52
2017-09-18 12:13:35	alanz	It looks like it is using the derived JSON instance
2017-09-18 12:13:58	alanz	So I suggest you either conform to that in KDevelop, or adapt the instance in HIE to match your expectations
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2017-09-18 14:08:28	arrowsvc_	alanz: I've already changed the message sent from KDevelop to conform to it.
2017-09-18 14:08:41	arrowsvc_	HIE has been giving me parse errors, but I fixed them all.
2017-09-18 14:08:47	arrowsvc_	Now it just stay silent.
2017-09-18 14:08:53	alanz	ok, so what error are you getting now?
2017-09-18 14:09:05	alanz	ok
2017-09-18 14:09:33	alanz	Try running it with "hie -l /rmp/log -r foo"
2017-09-18 14:09:38	alanz	Try running it with "hie -l /tmp/log -r foo"
2017-09-18 14:09:59	alanz	then tail the log file, it should show what the internal dispatcher is seeing
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2017-09-18 15:14:59	arrowsvc_	Already did that.
2017-09-18 15:15:09	arrowsvc_	2017-09-17 23:02:25.4192151 [ThreadId 3] - run entered for HIE Version 0.1.0.0 x86_64
2017-09-18 15:15:11	arrowsvc_	2017-09-17 23:02:25.4192151 [ThreadId 3] - Current directory:C:\libheed\wrapgen
2017-09-18 15:15:16	arrowsvc_	That's all.
2017-09-18 15:22:10	alanz	ok. What command are you sending in? I think it is time to make a new functional test, for this stuff
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2017-09-18 15:33:12	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/019cba0cfcce6299c32a2b70c7b75a8bbea81e49
2017-09-18 15:33:38	wz1000	compare wz1000:haddock docs to haskell:master on a big file like DataTypesJSON
2017-09-18 15:33:47	wz1000	It is orderss of magnitude faster
2017-09-18 15:35:23	wz1000	and now most of functionallity is essentiall pure functions that take a CachedModule and compute some result
2017-09-18 15:35:35	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/019cba0cfcce6299c32a2b70c7b75a8bbea81e49#diff-7b73da39d2cdccd6267a96bbb00d7fd6R236
2017-09-18 15:36:56	arrowsvc_	alanz: 
2017-09-18 15:36:58	arrowsvc_	"{\n    \"arg\": {\n        \"mode\": {\n            \"text\": \"stack\"\n        }\n    },\n    \"command\": \"isConfigured\",\n    \"plugin\": \"build\",\n    \"reqId\": 0\n}\n"
2017-09-18 15:37:32	wz1000	are you sending \STX?
2017-09-18 15:38:41	wz1000	also, try adding a print statement after req <- getNextReq
2017-09-18 15:38:53	wz1000	line 103 of JSONStdio
2017-09-18 15:39:06	arrowsvc_	Yep, return bytes.append('\2');
2017-09-18 15:39:14	arrowsvc_	Will try, but later.
2017-09-18 15:42:07	saurabhn_	has anyone ever faced this: https://gist.github.com/saurabhnanda/ece325fe00a10894de39c02c13a1aac8
2017-09-18 15:44:35	wz1000	saurabhn_: seems like a hardware issue - this time it failed on a different package
2017-09-18 15:44:43	wz1000	maybe your harddisk is failing
2017-09-18 15:45:14	wz1000	If you run it again it might a bit furthur along and fail on something else
2017-09-18 15:48:53	alanz	wz1000: looks good, will try it when I have time later
2017-09-18 15:49:31	saurabhn_	please don't give me this bad news :(
2017-09-18 15:49:48	saurabhn_	do you know how to validate this on a  mac?
2017-09-18 15:50:03	wz1000	no, not really.
2017-09-18 15:50:26	wz1000	if you run stack build/install again, does it fail on something else?
2017-09-18 15:52:37	alanz	saurabhn_: is your disk full?
2017-09-18 15:53:24	saurabhn_	only 40% used
2017-09-18 15:53:58	alanz	ok, just checking the obvious
2017-09-18 15:54:09	saurabhn_	CoreStorageGroup::completeIORequest - error 0xe00002ca detected for LVG "Macintosh HD" (D872AE82-3329-4693-9CA4-40423F9751F1), pv 42872435-BAA1-4509-8220-D5AED30B1E8B, near LV byte offset = 195461029888.
2017-09-18 15:54:09	saurabhn_	disk1: I/O error.
2017-09-18 15:54:17	saurabhn_	^^ looks like a h/w fault, no?
2017-09-18 15:54:26	saurabhn_	yeay... time to buy an SSD
2017-09-18 15:54:33	alanz	I would say so
2017-09-18 15:56:42	saurabhn_	stack install worked now
2017-09-18 15:56:48	saurabhn_	it **is** a hardware failure
2017-09-18 15:56:50	saurabhn_	shucks...
2017-09-18 15:57:03	saurabhn_	btw, is there any comment on the VSCode marketplace that the binary needs to be installed separately?
2017-09-18 15:59:04	alanz	good question
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2017-09-18 16:45:42	saurabhn_	managed to get hie binary installed
2017-09-18 16:45:52	saurabhn_	vscode module was already installed earlier. do I need to reinstall it?
2017-09-18 16:46:08	saurabhn_	I opened an HS file in my stack project, is there any visual indication that HIE is up & running?
2017-09-18 16:46:20	saurabhn_	>> No hoogle db found. Check the README for instructions to generate one -- is this HIE at work?
2017-09-18 16:46:47	saurabhn_	okay OUTPUT tab has a bunch of stuff that HIE seems to be doing...
2017-09-18 16:47:49	saurabhn_	neat... it worked within seconds on a small file...
2017-09-18 16:47:58	saurabhn_	trying a larger file now (i.e. with 400+ dependencies :)
2017-09-18 16:48:37	saurabhn_	are hlint parse errors fatal?
2017-09-18 16:52:58	saurabhn_	how do I debug this? "Got error while processing diagnostics: Module imports form a cycle: "
2017-09-18 16:56:28	alanz	saurabhn_: that is actually a problem building your project
2017-09-18 16:56:44	alanz	And please confirm that you installed the plugin via the market
2017-09-18 16:57:02	alanz	That way it will auto-update in future when new versions come out
2017-09-18 16:57:28	alanz	And I have on my todo list to make HIE silent unless we actually want it to show stuff
2017-09-18 17:02:33	wz1000	saurabhn_: does stack/cabal build work for that file?
2017-09-18 17:07:25	saurabhn_	wz1000: alanz: the *complete* project is in an inconsistent state currently, due to a major WIP refactoring
2017-09-18 17:07:36	saurabhn_	however, the current module can be loaded in a REPL absolutely fine.
2017-09-18 17:08:05	alanz	Interesting.
2017-09-18 17:08:08	saurabhn_	how do I see which file led to the import error... the toast/modal message on top of VSCode seems to be incomplete.
2017-09-18 17:08:16	alanz	Is it publicly visible anywhere?
2017-09-18 17:08:43	alanz	The panel on the bottom left might be able to help
2017-09-18 17:08:48	saurabhn_	alanz: nope... this is our product/SaaS platform. Can't share it publicly :)
2017-09-18 17:09:07	saurabhn_	"Got error while processing diagnostics: Module imports form a cycle: "
2017-09-18 17:09:11	alanz	ok. The tab marked "Problems"
2017-09-18 17:09:28	saurabhn_	the trailing ":" at the end of the message suggests that this isn't the complete error message
2017-09-18 17:09:55	alanz	if you feel strong, take a look at /tmp/hie.log
2017-09-18 17:10:32	saurabhn_	Problems tab -- bunch of warnings in other files (which are dependencies of the current file) and ONE error in the current file -- (can I multi-paste here itelf?)
2017-09-18 17:10:55	saurabhn_	on mac osx -- no file called /tmp/hie.log -- any other directory?
2017-09-18 17:11:01	wz1000	if its just a few lines, sure
2017-09-18 17:11:06	saurabhn_	file: 'file:///Users/saurabhnanda/projects/vl-haskell/src/Job.hs'
2017-09-18 17:11:07	saurabhn_	severity: 'Error'
2017-09-18 17:11:07	saurabhn_	message: 'Parse error: =
2017-09-18 17:11:08	saurabhn_	          False -> void $ liftIO $ execute conn
2017-09-18 17:11:10	saurabhn_	            "UPDATE jobs SET locked_at=NULL, locked_by=NULL, attempts=attempts+1, last_error=?, status=? WHERE id=?"
2017-09-18 17:11:13	saurabhn_	>           ((toJSON $ show $ OtherError ([qc|Job seems to be mutating either its constructor or input. Bad things will happen. oldPayload={oldPayloadJson} newPayload={payloadJson}|])), Job.Failed, job ^. Job.id)
2017-09-18 17:11:15	saurabhn_	'
2017-09-18 17:11:16	saurabhn_	at: '136,137'
2017-09-18 17:11:18	saurabhn_	source: 'hlint'
2017-09-18 17:11:55	saurabhn_	===> btw, this is the fastest on-the-fly compiler I've ever seen. BRILLIANT JOB!
2017-09-18 17:12:09	alanz	Thanks to wz1000 for that
2017-09-18 17:12:09	saurabhn_	(fastest, in the Haskell world, that is :) )
2017-09-18 17:12:20	wz1000	did you get hoogle docs working?
2017-09-18 17:13:04	saurabhn_	wz1000: can live without hoogle docs for now... am used to stackage docs constantly open in the browser, for now. I've been struggling with basic type-checking in intero. It takes 7gigs of memory and crashes 5 times a day!
2017-09-18 17:13:24	saurabhn_	on osx. what's the alternative to /tmp/hie.log
2017-09-18 17:13:39	saurabhn_	trying -- lsof | grep hie.log
2017-09-18 17:13:43	alanz	I think you may have to enable logging too. 
2017-09-18 17:13:48	wz1000	umm, not sure. I think /tmp/hie.log is hardcoded into the extension
2017-09-18 17:13:50	alanz	hold on
2017-09-18 17:13:53	saurabhn_	nope -- no hie.log open across any process.
2017-09-18 17:14:07	alanz	wz1000: it gets the platform specific temp dir
2017-09-18 17:14:15	alanz	so whatever that is on mac
2017-09-18 17:14:18	wz1000	no, it is the osx tmpdir
2017-09-18 17:14:21	wz1000	https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/src/extension.ts#L46
2017-09-18 17:14:41	wz1000	I think it also needs to be run in debug mode
2017-09-18 17:14:43	saurabhn_	what would that be?
2017-09-18 17:14:50	saurabhn_	run hie in debug mode or vscode?
2017-09-18 17:14:52	saurabhn_	how do I do that?
2017-09-18 17:15:03	alanz	saurabhn_: to see the log you need to find this file: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/hie-vscode.sh
2017-09-18 17:15:10	alanz	wherever vscode installed it
2017-09-18 17:15:27	saurabhn_	okay -- got the complete error message by taking the focus to toast/modal message and selecting by keyboard, for now.
2017-09-18 17:15:30	saurabhn_	Got error while processing diagnostics: Module imports form a cycle:
2017-09-18 17:15:31	saurabhn_	module ‘Foundation.Types’ (src/Foundation/Types.hs)
2017-09-18 17:15:31	saurabhn_	imports ‘Foundation.Types.TripDisplayName’ (src/Foundation/Types/TripDisplayName.hs)
2017-09-18 17:15:32	saurabhn_	which imports ‘Models.Trip’ (src/Models/Trip.hs)
2017-09-18 17:15:34	alanz	and comment in a line with logging, and you can set your own dir then
2017-09-18 17:15:35	saurabhn_	which imports ‘AutoGenerated.Models.Trip’ (autogen/AutoGenerated/Models/Trip.hs)
2017-09-18 17:15:36	saurabhn_	which imports ‘Foundation.Types’ (src/Foundation/Types.hs)
2017-09-18 17:16:00	alanz	saurabhn_: is that a ghc error, or a hlint one?
2017-09-18 17:16:03	saurabhn_	let me fix that project-specific error and 
2017-09-18 17:16:05	wz1000	it is a ghc error
2017-09-18 17:16:12	saurabhn_	that's the GHC error, not the HSLINT error.
2017-09-18 17:16:15	saurabhn_	let me fix that and try again.
2017-09-18 17:16:33	wz1000	it is not a diagnostic, so vscode will not show the source
2017-09-18 17:16:38	alanz	ok. I guess we should try to make those kinds of errors show up somewhere else too
2017-09-18 17:16:47	wz1000	alanz: vscode diagnostics need a uri and a location
2017-09-18 17:17:05	alanz	Maybe we should just force those onto the current file, line 0
2017-09-18 17:17:09	wz1000	if the ghc error doesn't include those, we send them as a showMessageRequest
2017-09-18 17:17:19	alanz	ok
2017-09-18 17:17:30	wz1000	which opens a popup with the error icon
2017-09-18 17:17:35	wz1000	and the message
2017-09-18 17:17:36	alanz	ok. 
2017-09-18 17:17:49	alanz	Nice to see real-world usage/problems
2017-09-18 17:18:14	alanz	But I think it would be good to experiment with putting it on the current file.
2017-09-18 17:18:37	alanz	So it at least shows up in problems.
2017-09-18 17:18:58	saurabhn_	boss, I feel like kissing someone for this rapid feedback!
2017-09-18 17:19:09	saurabhn_	this is fucking brilliant1
2017-09-18 17:20:49	saurabhn_	btw, hie is also going to blow-up the RAM soon.
2017-09-18 17:20:55	saurabhn_	already up to 3.5 gigs.
2017-09-18 17:21:13	wz1000	well it uses ghc
2017-09-18 17:21:35	wz1000	so we can't do much about it
2017-09-18 17:21:44	wz1000	upstream
2017-09-18 17:22:46	saurabhn_	yes... there's a specific GHCi issue, right?
2017-09-18 17:22:47	alanz	wz1000: we can, in terms of what exactly we keep in our module and session cache
2017-09-18 17:22:49	saurabhn_	still open?
2017-09-18 17:23:28	alanz	saurabhn_: how many modules in your project?
2017-09-18 17:23:51	 *	alanz saw on twitter "64Gb is the new 64Kb"
2017-09-18 17:23:58	saurabhn_	1000+
2017-09-18 17:24:10	alanz	well, 3,5G is not too bad then
2017-09-18 17:24:11	saurabhn_	in the current code path, about 400 would be getting loaded in memory.
2017-09-18 17:24:20	saurabhn_	as long as it doesn't keep growing. 
2017-09-18 17:24:23	saurabhn_	intero grows in every reload.
2017-09-18 17:24:40	alanz	please let us know what you see
2017-09-18 17:25:11	saurabhn_	hie is constantly switching to the OUTPUT tab
2017-09-18 17:25:20	saurabhn_	with the following error -- 
2017-09-18 17:25:22	saurabhn_	[Error - 17:31:53] Request textDocument/hover failed.
2017-09-18 17:25:23	saurabhn_	  Message: IdeError {ideCode = PluginError, ideMessage = "getSymbolAtPoint: \"module not loaded\"", ideInfo = Null}
2017-09-18 17:25:23	saurabhn_	  Code: -32603 
2017-09-18 17:25:25	alanz	I know, we need to disable that output
2017-09-18 17:25:38	alanz	ah. That means ghc has lost sync.
2017-09-18 17:25:45	saurabhn_	restart?
2017-09-18 17:25:57	alanz	wz1000: maybe we should flush the ghc-mod session when we get that
2017-09-18 17:26:00	alanz	yes, restart
2017-09-18 17:26:10	alanz	its the only way I know atm
2017-09-18 17:26:27	saurabhn_	well, VSCode is an M$ product after all. Restarts are to be expected ;-)
2017-09-18 17:27:01	saurabhn_	btw, coming from intero/emacs, the indentation behaviour is pretty wonky. Any chance the tab behaviour of intero/spacemacs can be replicated?
2017-09-18 17:27:06	saurabhn_	that's pretty nifty, btw
2017-09-18 17:27:19	alanz	except you can't blame this on ms, it is definitely in hie
2017-09-18 17:27:39	saurabhn_	heh
2017-09-18 17:27:52	alanz	I think that behaviour is what gracjan sweated blood on for the emacs mode
2017-09-18 17:27:56	wz1000	HIE doesn't touch that stuff(yet). The indentation behaviour is the vscode default
2017-09-18 17:28:01	saurabhn_	is there any visual feedback in the bright blue-bar at the bottom about active type-checking in progress?
2017-09-18 17:28:05	alanz	So not likely to appear in vscode any time soon
2017-09-18 17:28:31	alanz	saurabhn_: not at present.
2017-09-18 17:28:42	alanz	This is *not* a mature product :)
2017-09-18 17:28:53	alanz	PRs welcomed
2017-09-18 17:29:06	saurabhn_	even after restart -- back to same error message.
2017-09-18 17:29:32	alanz	ok, then try to build the project from the CLI, see what happens
2017-09-18 17:29:41	saurabhn_	TBH, I can't give PRs to HIE. I've bitten off more than I can chew on the web-stack/web-framework front.
2017-09-18 17:29:42	alanz	if it gets as far as that module
2017-09-18 17:29:59	saurabhn_	I'd be happy to sponsor some bounties, etc. if others are also willing to chip-in.
2017-09-18 17:30:06	alanz	well, feedback on problems is good too, as you are doing
2017-09-18 17:30:16	saurabhn_	same error message ==> Message: IdeError {ideCode = PluginError, ideMessage = "getSymbolAtPoint: \"module not loaded\"", ideInfo = Null}
2017-09-18 17:30:29	wz1000	what do you see in the problems tab?
2017-09-18 17:30:40	saurabhn_	[Error - 17:36:16] Request textDocument/hover failed.
2017-09-18 17:30:40	saurabhn_	  Message: IdeError {ideCode = PluginError, ideMessage = "getSymbolAtPoint: \"module not loaded\"", ideInfo = Null}
2017-09-18 17:30:41	saurabhn_	  Code: -32603 
2017-09-18 17:30:49	wz1000	is there a ghc-mod error for that file?
2017-09-18 17:31:16	alanz	If you enable this line: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/hie-vscode.sh#L17
2017-09-18 17:31:17	wz1000	not the output tab, the problems tab
2017-09-18 17:31:31	alanz	You will get a mountain of detail in the Output tab of the loading process.
2017-09-18 17:31:35	alanz	From the --vomit
2017-09-18 17:31:43	saurabhn_	file: 'file:///Users/saurabhnanda/projects/vl-haskell/src/Models/Trip.hs'
2017-09-18 17:31:43	saurabhn_	severity: 'Error'
2017-09-18 17:31:43	saurabhn_	message: '• No instance for (HasHasVariants
2017-09-18 17:31:45	saurabhn_	                     (Maybe Models.Trip.Types.Properties) (Maybe a0))
2017-09-18 17:31:47	saurabhn_	    arising from a use of ‘hasVariants’
2017-09-18 17:31:49	saurabhn_	• In the second argument of ‘(.)’, namely ‘hasVariants’
2017-09-18 17:31:51	saurabhn_	  In the second argument of ‘(^.)’, namely ‘properties . hasVariants’
2017-09-18 17:31:53	saurabhn_	  In the expression: (tp ^. properties . hasVariants)'
2017-09-18 17:31:55	saurabhn_	at: '29,52'
2017-09-18 17:31:57	saurabhn_	source: 'ghcmod'
2017-09-18 17:32:01	saurabhn_	^^ very specific app-related error
2017-09-18 17:32:30	saurabhn_	how was intero able to compile this?!
2017-09-18 17:33:17	saurabhn_	btw, the same line has an hlint error as well as a ghcmode error. on-hover is prioritising the hlint error over ghcmod. it should be other way around.
2017-09-18 17:34:06	alanz	we return them in the order we get them from the backend. But that is a point
2017-09-18 17:34:23	alanz	I actually think we should have some way of easily toggling the checkers
2017-09-18 17:34:32	alanz	Because I want to add liquid haskell too
2017-09-18 17:34:37	alanz	But that needs a toggle
2017-09-18 17:36:18	saurabhn_	btw, where does the output of the following go: {-# OPTIONS_GHC -ddump-splices #-}
2017-09-18 17:36:51	alanz	next to the file concerned, iirc
2017-09-18 17:37:08	alanz	in the same dir, with the same file name, but a different extension.
2017-09-18 17:37:10	alanz	I think.
2017-09-18 17:37:46	alanz	you might have to include dump-files, or something like that
2017-09-18 17:37:49	saurabhn_	okay -- so there's no active REPL session here, I guess/
2017-09-18 17:38:40	saurabhn_	in intero, I could C-c C-l the file in another REPL buffer and see the output right there itself
2017-09-18 17:38:49	alanz	https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/latest/docs/html/users_guide/debugging.html#ghc-flag--ddump-to-file
2017-09-18 17:39:07	alanz	if it goes to stderr it would show up in Output
2017-09-18 17:39:34	alanz	Make an issue on hie, it sounds like something useful
2017-09-18 17:42:52	saurabhn_	Got error while processing diagnostics: /private/var/folders/j7/fgt692sj0wzg0lvrk86ctnxc0000gn/T/ghc-mod15700/Types836045813436476770.hs:190:1-54: Splicing declarations
2017-09-18 17:42:53	saurabhn_	makeLensesWith abbreviatedFields ''AdminStepsCompleted
2017-09-18 17:42:53	saurabhn_	======>
2017-09-18 17:42:54	saurabhn_	class HasEditCustomTripAddons s a | s -> a where
2017-09-18 17:42:56	saurabhn_	editCustomTripAddons :: Lens' s a
2017-09-18 17:42:58	saurabhn_	instance HasEditCustomTripAddons AdminStepsCompleted (Maybe Text) where
2017-09-18 17:43:00	saurabhn_	{-# INLINE editCustomTripAddons #-}
2017-09-18 17:43:02	saurabhn_	editCustomTripAddons
2017-09-18 17:43:04	saurabhn_	f_a4byp
2017-09-18 17:43:16	saurabhn_	^^ it seems to be parsing the ddump-splices output and is getting confused, it seems.
2017-09-18 17:46:11	saurabhn_	something weird is happening... the same module can be loaded via `stack ghci` but is showing a weird error in vscode/hie
2017-09-18 17:47:29	alanz	can you strip out a simple bug report?
2017-09-18 17:48:45	wz1000	that is a TH error
2017-09-18 17:49:03	wz1000	It thinks you are trying to splice a declaration where it expects a value
2017-09-18 17:49:27	alanz	but why does it load in intero/repl?
2017-09-18 17:49:35	saurabhn_	trying to isolate
2017-09-18 17:49:41	saurabhn_	might be something stupid at my end.
2017-09-18 17:49:57	saurabhn_	sorry... false alarm.
2017-09-18 17:50:04	saurabhn_	was loading the incorrect module in repl.
2017-09-18 17:50:53	saurabhn_	do lenses not work properly if the field itself is prefixed with "has"
2017-09-18 17:51:41	saurabhn_	:t (^?)
2017-09-18 17:51:44	alanz	no idea
2017-09-18 17:51:52	saurabhn_	oh, no lambda bot here...
2017-09-18 17:53:39	saurabhn_	got it ... it was a lens compositional error. 
2017-09-18 17:53:41	wz1000	I hope go to definition is working fine for you. There were a few really annoying bugs on macos
2017-09-18 17:53:47	saurabhn_	but strangely, intero wasn't loading this particular file...
2017-09-18 17:54:35	saurabhn_	is an hlint parse-error consider fatal by HIE?
2017-09-18 17:54:45	wz1000	no
2017-09-18 17:54:58	wz1000	you just wont get any hlint errors
2017-09-18 17:55:20	saurabhn_	it's throwing a parse error on the following line -- which is perfectly valid -- ((toJSON $ show $ OtherError ([qc|Job seems to be mutating either its constructor or input. Bad things will happen. oldPayload={oldPayloadJson} newPayload={payloadJson}|])), Job.Failed, job ^. Job.id)
2017-09-18 17:55:34	wz1000	(that is if everything went correctly and an uncaught exception didn't kill the entire process)
2017-09-18 17:55:41	wz1000	what is the error?
2017-09-18 17:56:07	wz1000	Do you have any syntactic extensions enabled in your .cabal file?
2017-09-18 17:56:49	saurabhn_	file: 'file:///Users/saurabhnanda/projects/vl-haskell/src/Job.hs'
2017-09-18 17:56:49	saurabhn_	severity: 'Error'
2017-09-18 17:56:49	saurabhn_	message: 'Parse error: =
2017-09-18 17:56:51	saurabhn_	          False -> void $ liftIO $ execute conn
2017-09-18 17:56:53	saurabhn_	            "UPDATE jobs SET locked_at=NULL, locked_by=NULL, attempts=attempts+1, last_error=?, status=? WHERE id=?"
2017-09-18 17:56:55	saurabhn_	>           ((toJSON $ show $ OtherError ([qc|Job seems to be mutating either its constructor or input. Bad things will happen. oldPayload={oldPayloadJson} newPayload={payloadJson}|])), Job.Failed, job ^. Job.id)
2017-09-18 17:56:57	saurabhn_	'
2017-09-18 17:56:59	saurabhn_	at: '134,137'
2017-09-18 17:57:01	saurabhn_	source: 'hlint'
2017-09-18 17:57:03	saurabhn_	^^ hlint error
2017-09-18 17:57:33	saurabhn_	LambdaCase, QuasiQuotes, Arrows
2017-09-18 17:57:38	saurabhn_	and TemplateHaskell
2017-09-18 17:57:50	alanz	put them as pragmas in your file
2017-09-18 17:58:09	alanz	ghc uses them from cabal, not hlint which uses haskell-src-exts
2017-09-18 17:58:48	saurabhn_	big question -- why is HIE compiling files not in the dependency graph of the current file?
2017-09-18 17:58:59	wz1000	it shouldn't
2017-09-18 17:59:04	wz1000	how can you tell?
2017-09-18 17:59:35	saurabhn_	because it's throwing up errors that never used to show-up in intero. And the current file I'm editing doesn't have anything to do with the file that is showing the error.
2017-09-18 18:00:23	wz1000	no clue. If you can make a reproducible test case i can take a look.
2017-09-18 18:01:19	saurabhn_	alanz: solved the problem. Thanks. Any open issue for this?
2017-09-18 18:01:29	saurabhn_	can I safely ignore the hlint errors then?
2017-09-18 18:01:38	alanz	as far as I know
2017-09-18 18:01:59	alanz	we run a process, and report as diagnostics whatever we get
2017-09-18 18:01:59	wz1000	we can give those to hlint.
2017-09-18 18:02:08	saurabhn_	wz1000: okay let me try... might turn out to be something stupid at my end :)
2017-09-18 18:02:19	wz1000	But that means we would have to run hlint after ghc-mod
2017-09-18 18:02:30	saurabhn_	btw, there's no hlint process in the bg.  does HIE use hlint as a library?
2017-09-18 18:02:47	saurabhn_	compile errors >> style errors, right?
2017-09-18 18:03:13	wz1000	yes
2017-09-18 18:03:34	alanz	and that is a good point
2017-09-18 18:04:00	saurabhn_	what do I do to get the autocomplete to show up?
2017-09-18 18:04:20	wz1000	ctrl-space?
2017-09-18 18:05:29	saurabhn_	got it
2017-09-18 18:05:29	saurabhn_	new to VSCode 
2017-09-18 18:05:29	saurabhn_	there's a bit of lag in ctrl+space.
2017-09-18 18:06:01	saurabhn_	so <module-name> DOT ==> will not show up the auto-complete?
2017-09-18 18:07:00	wz1000	it should. we haven't figured out how to get vscode to do that yet.
2017-09-18 18:07:19	saurabhn_	same file >> jump to def >> working >> check.
2017-09-18 18:09:23	saurabhn_	hmm
2017-09-18 18:09:47	saurabhn_	jump to def stopped working
2017-09-18 18:09:47	saurabhn_	tiny blue bar oscillating at the top
2017-09-18 18:10:36	saurabhn_	hie -- 5.75 GB
2017-09-18 18:13:00	saurabhn_	how will this resolve a typeclass function?
2017-09-18 18:13:10	saurabhn_	to the class-definition or the instance definition?
2017-09-18 18:13:27	wz1000	class definition
2017-09-18 18:13:46	wz1000	instance definition is in general undecidable until runtime
2017-09-18 18:13:59	wz1000	because of polymorphic recursion
2017-09-18 18:14:49	saurabhn_	it worked... and to the class defn... but took quite some time.
2017-09-18 18:14:54	saurabhn_	I believe it was indexing something...
2017-09-18 18:14:57	saurabhn_	is it cached now?
2017-09-18 18:15:05	saurabhn_	and for how long?
2017-09-18 18:15:35	wz1000	I think it had to load that module to get the exact location
2017-09-18 18:16:02	wz1000	It needs to do that sometimes
2017-09-18 18:16:09	wz1000	most times it should be instantaneous
2017-09-18 18:16:24	saurabhn_	actually that module would've already been loaded. Else the current file would not have typechecked. it's in the dependency graph.
2017-09-18 18:16:25	wz1000	the cache will remain for the life of your session.
2017-09-18 18:16:50	wz1000	yes, but HIE wouldn't have the compile artifacts for it
2017-09-18 18:16:58	wz1000	it has to reload it to get those
2017-09-18 18:17:04	saurabhn_	how do I go back after a jump-to-def?
2017-09-18 18:17:26	wz1000	I use a vim plugin, so Ctrl_o for me. I don't know the regular keybind
2017-09-18 18:17:47	alanz	saurabhn_: prior to vscode, what editor did you use?
2017-09-18 18:17:53	saurabhn_	spacemacs
2017-09-18 18:18:01	saurabhn_	M-. and M-,
2017-09-18 18:18:18	alanz	Have you tried the hie plugin for emacs?
2017-09-18 18:18:36	alanz	Not as polished as the vscode stuff, but getting ther
2017-09-18 18:18:57	saurabhn_	I want to stay as far away from emacs as possible. I't not about my comfort... an editor is the last thing newbies on my team should be struggling with.
2017-09-18 18:19:14	alanz	ok, makes sense
2017-09-18 18:19:44	saurabhn_	got it... fn-ctrl-(minus)
2017-09-18 18:21:05	saurabhn_	please put a notice on the vscode marketplace about the binary
2017-09-18 18:21:12	saurabhn_	another person just made the same mistake
2017-09-18 18:21:48	wz1000	does the extn not spit out a sensible error?
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2017-09-18 18:22:06	saurabhn_	please put the message. It's better UX.
2017-09-18 18:22:10	wz1000	I believe it checks if hie is on the path
2017-09-18 18:22:27	saurabhn_	why add another point of friction?
2017-09-18 18:22:52	alanz	ok, will do so
2017-09-18 18:24:11	saurabhn_	thanks alanz
2017-09-18 18:24:36	saurabhn_	bartavelle: is also trying vscode+hie after I bugged him/her :)
2017-09-18 18:25:03	alanz	nice
2017-09-18 18:28:32	alanz	saurabhn_: The market page gives instructions to install hie: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=alanz.vscode-hie-server#overview
2017-09-18 18:28:46	alanz	What needs to change? Perhaps make a PR on the README.md
2017-09-18 18:29:08	saurabhn_	alanz: was it always there?
2017-09-18 18:29:16	saurabhn_	I guess then a big WARNING is needed!
2017-09-18 18:29:25	saurabhn_	marketplace conditions you to just hit the "Install" button
2017-09-18 18:29:32	wz1000	alanz: btw, I guess you can merge this: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/pull/14
2017-09-18 18:30:04	wz1000	I guess we don't want to install hie silently
2017-09-18 18:30:27	wz1000	compiling ~200 deps takes a bunch of memory, cpu, time and network
2017-09-18 18:31:48	saurabhn_	agreed. 
2017-09-18 18:32:00	saurabhn_	just a stronger visual indication of the binary dependency is all that is needed, I guess.
2017-09-18 18:37:10	alanz	wz1000: Is that show type now done the way you wanted it?
2017-09-18 18:37:42	wz1000	yes, pretty much
2017-09-18 18:38:00	wz1000	But i wanted it to happend whenever you highlight an expr
2017-09-18 18:38:14	alanz	ok
2017-09-18 18:38:26	wz1000	I guess that is not possible via LSP
2017-09-18 18:39:52	bartavelle	is that expected on vscode? "Allocation failed - JavaScript heap out of memory"
2017-09-18 18:40:23	wz1000	never seen that...
2017-09-18 18:40:33	bartavelle	hum :)
2017-09-18 18:48:31	alanz	wz1000: I just deleted my hie binary and started vscode. Absolute silence.
2017-09-18 18:48:39	bartavelle	yeah, my project is too large for intero, and it seems for hie too
2017-09-18 18:48:46	bartavelle	at least for vscode
2017-09-18 18:49:01	alanz	bartavelle: how many modules?
2017-09-18 18:54:00	bartavelle	~ 10
2017-09-18 18:55:24	wz1000	then it should probably work
2017-09-18 18:55:37	bartavelle	well, I don't know what I am doing wrong
2017-09-18 18:55:49	bartavelle	it clearly takes 100% cpu for a while, then crashes with OOM
2017-09-18 18:56:07	bartavelle	while staying a bit above 2GB, which I suppose is the limit
2017-09-18 18:56:55	wz1000	the hie binary can consume an unlimited amount of memory
2017-09-18 18:57:06	bartavelle	it is a vscode process that does that
2017-09-18 18:57:10	wz1000	I don't know why vscode is consuming so much memory
2017-09-18 18:57:34	wz1000	try hie with some other editor like neovim, emacs, atom maybe?
2017-09-18 18:58:13	wz1000	does vscode start?
2017-09-18 18:58:27	bartavelle	yes it does
2017-09-18 18:58:31	wz1000	and does it work if you disable the HIE plugin?
2017-09-18 18:58:37	alanz	and the hie binary is installed?
2017-09-18 18:58:42	bartavelle	just show a popup complaining extension host or something crashed
2017-09-18 18:58:56	bartavelle	alanz: yes, although it might not be in vscode path now that I think of it!
2017-09-18 18:59:01	alanz	what version of vscode are you using?
2017-09-18 18:59:09	bartavelle	1.16.0
2017-09-18 18:59:17	bartavelle	I will make sure it is in path
2017-09-18 18:59:26	alanz	I just screwed up my binary and got vscode infinite memory usage then crach
2017-09-18 18:59:30	alanz	crash
2017-09-18 19:00:13	alanz	After removing the exe, and getting the hie-vscode.sh to write a message to stderr
2017-09-18 19:00:19	bartavelle	ah it does something different now!
2017-09-18 19:00:23	bartavelle	taht was the problem, thanks
2017-09-18 19:00:28	alanz	I think vscode tries to respawn all the time
2017-09-18 19:00:58	bartavelle	seems to work like a charm, sorry for the stupid mistake
2017-09-18 19:01:01	alanz	So this is something that definitely needs attention
2017-09-18 19:01:08	bartavelle	even worse, saurabhn_ told be about the hie binary requirement :/
2017-09-18 19:01:15	wz1000	so electron apps are limited to 2gb of memory?
2017-09-18 19:01:21	alanz	It is a common one, by all accounts. Leading to a very bad getting started experience
2017-09-18 19:01:22	bartavelle	wz1000: I think so
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2017-09-18 19:27:57	saurabhn_	what happened?
2017-09-18 19:28:07	saurabhn_	I caused catastrophic failure?
2017-09-18 19:28:14	saurabhn_	did N Korea get nuked?
2017-09-18 19:28:17	wz1000	a segfault?
2017-09-18 19:28:52	wz1000	I've seen that a couple of times, never got a reproducible case I could debug.
2017-09-18 19:29:40	saurabhn_	bartavelle: did the tip to install the binary cause any problems?
2017-09-18 19:29:47	saurabhn_	btw HIE is at 7gigs memory usage!
2017-09-18 19:29:59	saurabhn_	if I kill HIE backend process will VSCode restart it?
2017-09-18 19:30:08	wz1000	I don't know
2017-09-18 19:30:28	wz1000	how many files do you have open?
2017-09-18 19:30:49	saurabhn_	can we please create some noise on the GHCi memory leak issue (upstream). it's causing havoc with editor tooling!
2017-09-18 19:31:13	saurabhn_	wz1000: 8 files -- loading about 400 other modules
2017-09-18 19:31:29	wz1000	what catastrophic failure are you talking about?
2017-09-18 19:31:44	bartavelle	saurabhn_: no, the problem is I forgot hie was only in path for program ran from a terminal, due to how I initialize my profile
2017-09-18 19:31:54	saurabhn_	ah okay.
2017-09-18 19:32:07	saurabhn_	wz1000: whatever bartavelle was talking about... random banter.
2017-09-18 19:36:45	saurabhn_	any way to turn off hlint
2017-09-18 19:36:57	saurabhn_	it gets stuck in random parse errors and prevents the actual compile errors from showing up
2017-09-18 19:42:39	saurabhn_	would HIE behave differently for a file which has highly polymorphic code?
2017-09-18 19:43:52	saurabhn_	bartavelle: did HIE work for you?
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2017-09-18 19:47:17	wz1000	saurabhn_: what do you mean?
2017-09-18 19:47:46	wz1000	as long a ghc can compile the file, hie should work with it.
2017-09-18 19:47:49	saurabhn_	just anecdata, but HIE just spiked memory and CPU usage when I loaded a file that had about 30 highly polymorphic functions.
2017-09-18 19:48:14	wz1000	on hovering, or idle?
2017-09-18 19:48:33	saurabhn_	after changing something in the file
2017-09-18 19:48:43	saurabhn_	to give you an example of what's in the file -- 
2017-09-18 19:48:46	saurabhn_	filter2 :: forall hw hr pk pgw pgr m a a1 b b1 .
2017-09-18 19:48:46	saurabhn_	         ( DbModel hw hr pk pgw pgr
2017-09-18 19:48:47	saurabhn_	         , HasDatabase m
2017-09-18 19:48:49	saurabhn_	         , Default Constant b (Column a)
2017-09-18 19:48:51	saurabhn_	         , Default Constant b1 (Column a1))
2017-09-18 19:48:53	saurabhn_	        => Table pgw pgr
2017-09-18 19:48:55	saurabhn_	        -> ((Getting (Column a) pgr (Column a), Column a -> Column a -> Column PGBool, b)
2017-09-18 19:48:57	saurabhn_	           ,(Getting (Column a1) pgr (Column a1), Column a1 -> Column a1 -> Column PGBool, b1))
2017-09-18 19:48:57	bartavelle	saurabhn_: yes, it seems to work!
2017-09-18 19:48:59	saurabhn_	        -> m [hr]
2017-09-18 19:49:01	saurabhn_	filter2 tbl (c1, c2) = do
2017-09-18 19:49:03	saurabhn_	  x :: [hr] <- filterTable tbl ((.&&) <$> (applyCondition c1) <*> (applyCondition c2))
2017-09-18 19:49:05	saurabhn_	  pure x
2017-09-18 19:49:05	bartavelle	having hoogle trouble right now
2017-09-18 19:49:07	saurabhn_	bartavelle: congrats!
2017-09-18 19:49:34	wz1000	bartavelle: if you have haddock docs built for your project(using stack haddock), hie can use them instead of hoogle
2017-09-18 19:49:35	saurabhn_	wz1000: I'll try again and report back if I feel the same... but just throwing it out there.
2017-09-18 19:49:59	saurabhn_	wz1000: will `stack haddock` also pull in docs of all dependencies?
2017-09-18 19:50:04	wz1000	saurabhn_: yes
2017-09-18 19:50:11	saurabhn_	TIL
2017-09-18 19:50:12	wz1000	unfortunately, not cabal haddock :(
2017-09-18 19:50:21	saurabhn_	yeah cabal is dead to me
2017-09-18 19:50:51	wz1000	you need to put enable-documentation: true in your cabal config, then nuke your package cache and rebuild everything
2017-09-18 19:51:33	wz1000	saurabhn_: btw, if you feel hovering is slow(on a large file), try using https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/tree/haddock-docs
2017-09-18 19:51:43	saurabhn_	okay will try
2017-09-18 19:51:50	saurabhn_	off work now... will come online again tomorrow
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2017-09-18 19:52:37	wz1000	bartavelle: btw, if you are using hoogle, you need to run hoogle generate with hoogle 5.0.13
2017-09-18 19:53:04	bartavelle	wz1000: it is actually haddocks problems right now, it is complaining about some TH
2017-09-18 19:53:19	 *	bartavelle sighs
2017-09-18 19:53:25	wz1000	bartavelle: did you run stack hoogle?
2017-09-18 19:53:39	bartavelle	yup
2017-09-18 19:53:45	wz1000	instead you just run hoogle generate and that should pull in docs from hackage
2017-09-18 19:53:54	wz1000	so you don't have to build them yoursefl
2017-09-18 19:54:09	bartavelle	but would that be for the package versions I have installed ?
2017-09-18 19:54:21	wz1000	no, it would be for the latest on hackage
2017-09-18 19:54:25	wz1000	that is the problem
2017-09-18 19:54:31	wz1000	but it is better than nothing
2017-09-18 19:54:39	bartavelle	I would like it to build haddocks for what's in ~/.stack/snapshots, and not for my project though
2017-09-18 19:55:52	wz1000	I don't know how to do that :(
2017-09-18 19:58:50	bartavelle	wz1000: I would need to use your fork to have hie pull haddocks instead of hoogle stuff ?
2017-09-18 20:00:08	wz1000	bartavelle: yes. but stack hoogle should be generated from the same haddocks, so the contents should be roughly equivalent
2017-09-18 20:00:42	wz1000	but if your stack hoogle command failed halfway through, my fork would still let you use the haddocks that were generated succesfully
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2017-09-18 21:20:10	alanz	wz1000: Do you have any idea what this means? https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues/215#issuecomment-293260764
2017-09-18 21:20:40	alanz	I suspect we can tell the vscode hie client not to retry
2017-09-18 21:21:20	alanz	Because I am struggling to get it to respond to an echo'd error message. As much from not knowing the exact format as anything else
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2017-09-19 00:04:21	alanz	wz1000: what is the status of https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/316?
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2017-09-19 00:47:09	wz1000	alanz: it needs a few tweaks to the markdown rendering
2017-09-19 00:47:17	wz1000	otherwise it should be fine.
2017-09-19 00:47:38	wz1000	Oh yeah, we should also provide a way for users to choose between hoogle and haddock for docs.
2017-09-19 00:52:49	alanz	agree. And hlint on/off
2017-09-19 00:53:02	alanz	sounds like a general "set user flags" thing
2017-09-19 01:06:43	alanz	https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/protocol.md#workspace_didChangeConfiguration
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2017-09-19 01:43:43	nh2	hey, what's the status of HIE LSP, is this a good time to give a shot whether Sublime integration works via https://github.com/tomv564/LSP ?
2017-09-19 01:44:23	alanz	nh2: yes, it is a good time
2017-09-19 01:45:11	alanz	And if you are confused about how it should work, compare it to what you see in vscode.
2017-09-19 01:45:17	alanz	It is the reference
2017-09-19 01:45:39	nh2	alanz: nix build from master is enough or do I need a special branch?
2017-09-19 01:46:07	alanz	I don't know about the nix experience, but master is the recommended one
2017-09-19 01:46:31	nh2	OK cool, I'll report
2017-09-19 01:47:27	alanz	I look forward to the result. And feel free to ask questions here
2017-09-19 01:47:37	alanz	modulo time zone, I am GMT+2
2017-09-19 01:51:38	nh2	I may have to do it tomorrow depending on how quickly I progress with what I'm doing, don't hold your breath for me on it :)
2017-09-19 01:52:28	alanz	np, I am just glad it is on a todo list
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2017-09-19 13:48:03	saurabhnanda	VSCode > Is "Format selection" implemented yet?
2017-09-19 13:54:28	alanz	saurabhnanda: to my knowledge, yes. But I think you need to have a whole function selected at a time
2017-09-19 13:54:48	alanz	I know I was playing with it and found it only works for some cases.
2017-09-19 13:54:53	alanz	wz1000: ?
2017-09-19 13:55:36	saurabhnanda	neither format document nor format selection seems to be working
2017-09-19 13:56:20	alanz	strange
2017-09-19 13:56:47	alanz	I am busy with some admin, can take a look a bit later
2017-09-19 13:57:23	saurabhnanda	thanks
2017-09-19 13:57:34	saurabhnanda	also, the blue bar on top is oscillating since last 2 mins
2017-09-19 13:57:38	saurabhnanda	what is HIE doing?
2017-09-19 13:58:21	alanz	your best is to run it with logging enabled, and tail the log in another window
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2017-09-19 17:25:45	wz1000	alanz: I have exams this week and the next, so won't be able to get to the PR this month.
2017-09-19 17:37:44	alanz	ok, no problem
2017-09-19 17:38:08	alanz	I am hoping to have more time to spend on hie in the next while too. Today has run away from me though
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2017-09-20 14:38:43	alanz	wz1000: The tests run against the old plugin API and the new. Do we still need both? What does the JsonStdio use? the old?
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2017-09-20 16:21:47	alanz	I see there is now LSP support in MS VS : https://github.com/tintoy/dotnet-language-client/tree/sample/visual-studio/samples/VisualStudioExtension
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2017-09-20 16:42:36	wz1000	alanz: yes, and also execute command
2017-09-20 16:43:20	alanz	over and above what is in vscode?
2017-09-20 16:43:57	wz1000	alanz: I meant the old plugin API
2017-09-20 16:44:22	alanz	ok, gotcha.
2017-09-20 16:44:38	alanz	That's right. Ok, the tests will stay duplicated then.
2017-09-20 16:44:38	wz1000	which I reworked in the cleanup
2017-09-20 16:44:56	alanz	But I will perhaps reorganise them, to have a common runner, or something.
2017-09-20 16:44:58	wz1000	so it is technically not the "old plugin API" any more
2017-09-20 16:45:20	alanz	I know, but the question was really about there being 2 still
2017-09-20 16:45:21	wz1000	they share the dispatcher
2017-09-20 16:45:35	alanz	And both should be tested
2017-09-20 16:45:40	wz1000	yes
2017-09-20 16:46:04	alanz	BTW, I am starting to think about how we choose the hie exe when there is more than one GHC involved
2017-09-20 16:46:28	wz1000	hmm. there could be login plugin side
2017-09-20 16:46:29	alanz	Intero requires a stack project, so "Stack install intero" always does the right thing
2017-09-20 16:46:40	wz1000	or a script
2017-09-20 16:46:47	wz1000	s/login/logic
2017-09-20 16:47:14	alanz	There was talk of having a router at the front, that could do the initial handshake, then launch the right one at the back
2017-09-20 16:47:34	alanz	But I agree that it is probably something that has to happen in the client
2017-09-20 16:48:10	alanz	Because as soon as I get circle to actually test both versions, I am going to make a PR for GHC 8.2.1 support
2017-09-20 16:48:15	wz1000	but it would need to parse the .cabal file, no?
2017-09-20 16:48:20	alanz	Then we *will* have two versions to manage
2017-09-20 16:48:38	wz1000	alanz: have you merged my changes to ghc-mod?
2017-09-20 16:48:50	wz1000	because HIE depends quite heavily on them
2017-09-20 16:49:10	wz1000	I hope they don't need to change much
2017-09-20 16:49:13	alanz	Which ones? I am working against my hie-integration branch, which uses your module loader
2017-09-20 16:49:20	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/ghc-mod/tree/hie-integration
2017-09-20 16:50:18	alanz	I think I am, but rebased 3 times so far
2017-09-20 16:50:33	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/tree/hie-integration-rebased-3
2017-09-20 16:51:25	alanz	Ah, you made changes 2 days ago.
2017-09-20 16:51:26	wz1000	hmm https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/compare/hie-integration-rebased-3...wz1000:hie-integration
2017-09-20 16:51:54	alanz	Trouble is I split it into ghc-mode-core and ghc-mod
2017-09-20 16:52:01	alanz	So a diff will be a nightmare
2017-09-20 16:52:08	wz1000	oh...
2017-09-20 16:52:27	alanz	I think the easiest will be to apply the relevant commits as a patch to the current one
2017-09-20 16:53:25	alanz	Probably by first squashing all the stuff from my commit in your branch on aug 16 into a single commit
2017-09-20 16:53:52	alanz	Because I just moved the ModuleLoader into ghc-mod-core
2017-09-20 16:54:31	alanz	Do you want me to see about bringing it over?
2017-09-20 16:54:40	wz1000	I have exams starting friday, so I will be not be able to work on it this month
2017-09-20 16:55:09	wz1000	(i.e. 1st October)
2017-09-20 16:55:54	alanz	I know, that is why I offered to do it
2017-09-20 16:56:07	alanz	Once I can get this damn CI stuff working.
2017-09-20 16:56:25	alanz	It has been frustrating me for days
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2017-09-20 22:29:34	--	Notice(GitHub164): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #321: Add support for GHC 8.2.1 (master...ghc-8.2.1) https://git.io/v5hgh
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2017-09-21 01:28:14	shapr	alanz: have you seen https://dorchard.wordpress.com/2017/09/20/scrap-your-reprinter/ ?
2017-09-21 01:28:43	alanz	yes, just posted it to the #haskell-refactorer channel
2017-09-21 01:28:49	shapr	ah, cool
2017-09-21 01:29:16	alanz	And excellent timing, as I want to tackle that exact problem as the printer in GHC, using trees that grow to store the info :)
2017-09-21 01:29:29	alanz	or one of the printers in ghc
2017-09-21 01:29:49	shapr	I read *everything* that existed about refactoring and contacted all the people in the late 90s. This looks like an entirely new development to me.
2017-09-21 01:29:55	alanz	It also comes from the home of HaRe, which I find interesting
2017-09-21 01:30:06	alanz	They say the project started in 2013
2017-09-21 01:30:35	alanz	For a thing called CamFort, which I looked at recently, I think. But it is java based, iirc
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2017-09-21 02:28:29	hexagoxel	when this mentions both trees-that-grow and uniplate.. i still wonder how to merge the two.
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2017-09-21 02:30:04	hexagoxel	the only approach that i can think of still contains boilerplate, because one cannot do a wild-card pattern for "x -> x" when a type argument of those xs changes, even when this type argument is effectively a phantom for the remaining constructors.
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2017-09-21 02:31:19	alanz	hexagoxel: TBH I still have to read the detail. But I know that using zippers can help, I do it in HaRe. And I think the SYB is a red herring, pretty sure any traversal scheme would work
2017-09-21 02:31:41	alanz	But nice to see options out there. 
2017-09-21 02:32:02	alanz	That said, the ghc-exactprint approach is pretty solid
2017-09-21 02:35:22	hexagoxel	yeah but I don't see the issue being particularly specific to uniplate. although I am not sure that I know of all other approaches for traversal schemes.
2017-09-21 02:36:38	alanz	I guess I need to read the paper :)
2017-09-21 02:37:18	hexagoxel	completely without uniplate, how can you implement stage-changing for trees-that-grow without matching on every constructor explicitly?
2017-09-21 02:38:20	hexagoxel	(by stage-changing i mean changing xi; not entirely sure if the paper had some term for this)
2017-09-21 02:39:55	alanz	But trees that grow is still a concrete type, and the printer will work against a specific instance of it, as produced by the parser in "API" mode
2017-09-21 02:40:07	alanz	So the uniplate approach should work
2017-09-21 02:45:28	hexagoxel	my bad, i was not sufficiently clear initially: i am talking about a different problem, even if somewhat related when looking at underlying techniques.
2017-09-21 02:50:26	alanz	no problem
2017-09-21 03:10:31	hexagoxel	alanz: yet another topic: you recall my annotation split-up question not long ago?
2017-09-21 03:10:49	alanz	for the comments?
2017-09-21 03:11:21	hexagoxel	i have just fixed the quadratic perf problem in brittany, and implemented that as part of it.
2017-09-21 03:11:31	alanz	nice
2017-09-21 03:11:46	hexagoxel	but i am not sure if you want it in exactprint, as it can not be generalized too much..
2017-09-21 03:11:49	alanz	does it need a fix in ghc-exactprint? 
2017-09-21 03:11:57	hexagoxel	https://github.com/lspitzner/brittany/blob/dev/src/Language/Haskell/Brittany/Internal/ExactPrintUtils.hs#L216
2017-09-21 03:13:00	hexagoxel	and i am not too sure if others will need this functionality.
2017-09-21 03:13:13	alanz	hexagoxel: I will look in more detail tomorrow, about to go to bed
2017-09-21 03:13:31	hexagoxel	and no, there is nothing i needed to fix; it is just the question of whether this utility function should move from brittany to exactprint.
2017-09-21 03:14:24	hexagoxel	sure, good night. ping me if you want me to do a PR
2017-09-21 03:14:38	alanz	ok
2017-09-21 03:14:40	alanz	thanks
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2017-09-21 14:21:10	alanz	wz1000: after your exams you can take a look at https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/ghc-8.2.1-wz1000-additions 
2017-09-21 14:22:15	alanz	it is your current haddock branch rebased/cherry-picked into my ghc 8.2.1 branch
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2017-09-21 16:49:48	alanz	does anyone have any objections to me merging https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/321?
2017-09-21 16:50:07	alanz	I have defaulted the stack install to build the GHC 8.0.2 version
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2017-09-21 18:44:56	saurabhnanda	how come the typescript autocomplete is **instantaneous** and the HIE autocomplete almost never works (even after pressing ctrl+space)?
2017-09-21 18:45:09	saurabhnanda	are different autocomplete strategies being used?
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2017-09-21 18:57:25	alanz	saurabhnanda: yes. And there is a branch under development that should make it faster
2017-09-21 18:57:52	alanz	Don't forget, the TS one is dumb in that it just looks at words in the file/project. I think.
2017-09-21 18:58:22	alanz	saurabhnanda: Do you guys have any intention of switching to ghc 8.2.1?
2017-09-21 19:01:00	saurabhnanda	anything to make the tooling better.
2017-09-21 19:01:11	saurabhnanda	just wrote some code in Vscode+TS and was blown away by the tooling.
2017-09-21 19:01:19	saurabhnanda	it is so damn responsive
2017-09-21 19:01:21	--	Notice(GitHub168): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #321: Add support for GHC 8.2.1 (master...ghc-8.2.1) https://git.io/v5hgh
2017-09-21 19:01:25	--	Notice(GitHub88): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 25 new commits to master: https://git.io/vdeZo
2017-09-21 19:01:25	--	Notice(GitHub88): haskell-ide-engine/master 1a58938 Alan Zimmerman: Progress toward ghc 8.2.1 support
2017-09-21 19:01:25	--	Notice(GitHub88): haskell-ide-engine/master 17e6e36 Alan Zimmerman: Adapt for cabal 2.0
2017-09-21 19:01:25	--	Notice(GitHub88): haskell-ide-engine/master b93d06a Alan Zimmerman: Add slides from HIW 2017 talk
2017-09-21 19:01:54	alanz	saurabhnanda: we are working on it ....
2017-09-21 19:04:43	saurabhnanda	:) thanks!
2017-09-21 19:25:16	saurabhnanda	is there any way to get HIE to force a garbage collection
2017-09-21 19:25:30	saurabhnanda	within a few mins the memory usage goes up to 6gb and the system becomes unusable
2017-09-21 19:25:35	alanz	as in to flush its cache?
2017-09-21 19:25:43	alanz	or to invoke the GHC GC?
2017-09-21 19:25:58	alanz	It might be possible to expose something as a custom command
2017-09-21 19:29:35	saurabhnanda	anything to get the memory usage down
2017-09-21 19:29:51	saurabhnanda	what is causing the memory usage to constantly keep growing?
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2017-09-21 19:57:11	alanz	saurabhnanda: if you give the right options you can limit the memory hie can have, and this will force a GHC
2017-09-21 19:57:15	alanz	GC
2017-09-21 19:57:53	saurabhnanda	is the upstream GHCi bug causing any problems here?
2017-09-21 19:58:12	saurabhnanda	btw, shouldn't the GC be called automatically? is something holding on to the memory unnecessarily?
2017-09-21 19:58:17	alanz	I don't know, tbh
2017-09-21 19:58:31	saurabhnanda	right now -- while true; do sleep 1200 && killall gie; done
2017-09-21 19:58:47	alanz	it should be called automatically, but it may be triggered by memory thresholds. I do not know the detail, tbh
2017-09-21 19:59:30	alanz	And I guess running it with profiling is impractical. 
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2017-09-21 20:31:16	saurabhnanda	I'm facing the same memory issue on a command line GHCi
2017-09-21 20:31:24	saurabhnanda	what's the internal function to force a GC?
2017-09-21 20:42:53	alanz	saurabhnanda: I do not know
2017-09-21 20:42:59	alanz	I just presume there is one
2017-09-21 20:45:30	wz1000	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.10.0.0/docs/System-Mem.html#v:performGC
2017-09-21 20:49:47	wz1000	saurabhnanda, alanz ^
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2017-09-21 20:55:39	alanz	wz1000: thanks
2017-09-21 20:56:05	saurabhnanda	wz1000: do you know how to find out if GHC is stuck in a loop?
2017-09-21 20:56:52	wz1000	what do you mean?
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2017-09-21 20:57:38	wz1000	in general there is no way to find if a program is stuck in a loop because of the halting problem
2017-09-21 20:58:20	wz1000	but if ghc has a non terminating input, it is probably a bug that you should report
2017-09-21 20:59:01	saurabhnanda	can I give some options to GHC to make it stop doing whatever it's doing after X secs of Y gigs of memory, and print out its current state of execution?
2017-09-21 21:01:54	wz1000	I don't know. You might have better luck on #ghc
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2017-09-27 03:18:20	bgamari	alanz, any idea what is going on here?
2017-09-27 03:18:21	bgamari	Haskell/Ide/HaRePlugin.hs:243:12: error:
2017-09-27 03:18:21	bgamari	    Not in scope: ‘Core.reverseSortEdit’
2017-09-27 03:18:21	bgamari	    Module ‘Language.Haskell.LSP.Core’ does not export ‘reverseSortEdit’.
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2017-09-27 11:10:05	cocreature	bgamari: where did you get haskell-lsp from?
2017-09-27 11:11:39	cocreature	bgamari: take a look at the stack.yaml, you need to pull haskell-lsp from the git repo
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2017-09-27 17:21:50	bgamari	cocreature, ahh, so I do; thanks!
2017-09-27 17:49:54	bgamari	cocreature, also what is the current type of GM.cacheModule and friends?
2017-09-27 17:50:11	bgamari	There seems to be some disagreement as to whether they expect a Uri or a FilePath
2017-09-27 18:01:01	alanz	bgamari: My current tip has what is needed, and builds with GHC 8.0.2 and 8.2.1.
2017-09-27 18:01:20	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/ghc-8.2.1-wz1000-additions-2
2017-09-27 18:01:48	alanz	It is the rework to bring the most up-to-date ghc-mod and cabal-helper in
2017-09-27 18:01:56	alanz	but has to be built with stack
2017-09-27 18:02:36	bgamari	I managed to get the ghc-8.2.1 branch building
2017-09-27 18:02:43	bgamari	but it required quite some hacking
2017-09-27 18:03:01	alanz	well, I missed you last night, unfortunately. Just.
2017-09-27 18:03:10	alanz	Else I could have saved you all the trouble.
2017-09-27 18:03:30	bgamari	quite alright
2017-09-27 18:03:43	alanz	FYI, I always find using the github network view is a good way to see the general state of a set of forks
2017-09-27 18:03:50	bgamari	fair point
2017-09-27 18:09:06	bgamari	alanz, out of curiosity, have you ever considered tracking all of these dependencies as submodules?
2017-09-27 18:09:34	alanz	yes, but I hate submodules
2017-09-27 18:09:38	bgamari	I see
2017-09-27 18:09:57	alanz	It makes it hard to stitch together a set of dependencies, that are fairly dynamic
2017-09-27 18:10:21	bgamari	fair enough
2017-09-27 18:10:22	alanz	And if I want to experiment with using my own fork of something, it gets hard
2017-09-27 18:10:55	alanz	Whenever I have worked on other projects using them I have found it painful. Perhaps I am missing something.
2017-09-27 18:11:35	bgamari	well, I agree that they do have their pain points
2017-09-27 18:12:08	bgamari	although I generally find that these only arise when, as you say, you want to work on your own fork
2017-09-27 18:12:34	bgamari	since it's not entirely easy to ensure that your submodule commits are all pushed to the source repository
2017-09-27 18:12:52	bgamari	e.g. ghc has git hooks to verify this
2017-09-27 18:13:42	bgamari	but I have other projects which make heavy use submodules for vendorising libraries and I've found it's quite easy to end up in a situation where others can't clone the repo
2017-09-27 18:13:49	bgamari	since the submodule commits aren't publicly available
2017-09-27 18:13:59	alanz	ok. But I find stack does it just fine. Which is why I want to be able to do that in a cabal project too
2017-09-27 18:14:03	bgamari	that being said, I think you'd have this same issue with stack
2017-09-27 18:14:18	alanz	yes, non-public commits are a pain
2017-09-27 18:14:46	alanz	stack also has the nice feature that you can just put a relative path and it uses it, so you can develop completely on the local machine
2017-09-27 18:15:54	bgamari	right; new-build also has such a feature. this is how I have been building HIE
2017-09-27 18:17:17	alanz	yes. But then when you are happy you can switch to git commits, and it just carries on. Very useful.
2017-09-27 18:18:08	alanz	Hence https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/blob/ghc-8.2.1-wz1000-additions-2/stack.yaml#L37
2017-09-27 18:20:27	alanz	bgamari: what IDE/editor do you use?
2017-09-27 18:20:36	alanz	vim, iirc
2017-09-27 18:20:46	bgamari	alanz, emacs
2017-09-27 18:20:52	bgamari	alanz, more specifically spacemacs
2017-09-27 18:20:58	alanz	great. Me too.
2017-09-27 18:21:16	alanz	Have you tried the lsp plugin with hie yet?
2017-09-27 18:21:22	bgamari	not yet
2017-09-27 18:21:37	bgamari	I've been quite curious though
2017-09-27 18:21:42	bgamari	especially for my partner
2017-09-27 18:21:52	bgamari	who has been using Haskell increasingly in her research
2017-09-27 18:22:04	bgamari	but she comes from a java/scala background
2017-09-27 18:22:15	bgamari	and consequently really misses reasonable IDE integration
2017-09-27 18:22:24	alanz	FYI I use This variant: https://github.com/alanz/lsp-mode/tree/toggle-rebased-3
2017-09-27 18:22:29	bgamari	unfortunatley she's also an idea version
2017-09-27 18:22:46	alanz	ok, no idea what the support is like for that
2017-09-27 18:22:47	bgamari	alanz, good to know
2017-09-27 18:22:55	bgamari	s/version/user/
2017-09-27 18:23:08	alanz	my version lets you keep a whitelist and blacklist, and easily turn it on/off
2017-09-27 18:23:09	bgamari	alanz, yeah, idea's lsp support is unfortunately non-existent so far it seems
2017-09-27 18:23:15	alanz	So I can test more easily
2017-09-27 18:23:27	alanz	Well, hopefully it will show up there soon too
2017-09-27 18:23:45	alanz	It seems to be spreading all over. Which is good.
2017-09-27 18:23:50	bgamari	indeed
2017-09-27 18:23:59	bgamari	it finally makes the IDE problem tractable
2017-09-27 18:24:44	bgamari	for better or worse I'm generally working on GHC
2017-09-27 18:24:50	alanz	btw, if you use my lsp-mode branch, be aware that the startup instructions are slightly different
2017-09-27 18:24:58	bgamari	which I suspect is the worst-case-scenario for a potential IDE backend
2017-09-27 18:25:15	alanz	yes, given it wants to build everything
2017-09-27 18:25:29	alanz	I generally turn off/ignore a bunch of stuff when working on GHC
2017-09-27 18:25:29	bgamari	right
2017-09-27 18:26:03	alanz	Esp Parser.y. I generally end up in fundamental-mode for it
2017-09-27 18:26:17	bgamari	yep
2017-09-27 18:26:28	bgamari	Parser.y is terrible to edit
2017-09-27 18:26:52	bgamari	it has rendered my emacs session unresponsive for minutes on end before
2017-09-27 18:26:56	alanz	agree. And that is where a large chunk of my changes happened. 
2017-09-27 18:27:13	alanz	But that is why I use fundamental-mode. Does not try to match parens etc
2017-09-27 18:27:18	bgamari	yep
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2017-09-28 14:39:39	saurabhnanda	anyone around? what's the basic difference between what ghc-mod does and what HIE does?
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2017-09-29 01:01:32	DavidEichmann	Hi, any one there? I'm looking to start contributing to the code haskell-ide-engine / vscode plugin. I was thinking case split would be a good start.
2017-09-29 01:02:58	DavidEichmann	I notice haskell-ide-engine is using alanz's fork of ghc-mod. Is that fork diverging?
2017-09-29 01:07:59	alanz	DavidEichmann: no, it will become the new ghc-mod master, once dxld is happy with it
2017-09-29 01:08:39	alanz	DavidEichmann: if you have any vscode plugin skills, then getting it to detect whether there is a hie exe on the path would be very useful
2017-09-29 01:11:53	DavidEichmann	Oh yeah? I suppose hie is intended to be installed via stack?
2017-09-29 01:12:14	DavidEichmann	So check on startup and ask if to `stack install haskell-ide-engine`?
2017-09-29 01:14:21	alanz	yes
2017-09-29 01:14:50	alanz	And the bash script to start it is supposed to prompt the guy, in a message it sends back.
2017-09-29 01:15:37	alanz	But the protocol seems unclear as to what should happen, and it seems there is some kind of config for the LSP-client in vscode to say what it should do if the startup fails
2017-09-29 01:15:59	alanz	So simplest option is to report after n attempts, and suggest installing hie
2017-09-29 01:16:32	alanz	Eventually it will probably be best to "stack exec hie", to make sure we get the version appropriate for the project
2017-09-29 01:16:57	alanz	But I do not want some massive download/install to kick-off without the user agreeing to it
2017-09-29 01:17:18	alanz	They might be wanting to just look at a project, not build it
2017-09-29 01:17:25	DavidEichmann	Makes sense.
2017-09-29 01:17:37	DavidEichmann	The bulid took quite a while on my machine
2017-09-29 01:19:47	alanz	yes. And I hate it when you e.g. cabal unpack something to look at it, and it builds for hours before you get a cursor back
2017-09-29 01:19:53	alanz	Which happens in emacs
2017-09-29 01:20:22	alanz	My next focus is going to be getting the incremental changes to work with emacs.
2017-09-29 01:20:29	alanz	There is a protocol problem with it
2017-09-29 01:23:04	DavidEichmann	I'm actually quite new TS/VSCode extentions, but I'll see what I can do. You seem to have put quite a lot of time into this project. Is this just a hobby?
2017-09-29 01:24:20	alanz	yes. I started on HaRe (the refactorer), but then got frustrated because it does not have IDE integration
2017-09-29 01:24:26	alanz	So hie was born
2017-09-29 01:25:06	alanz	And if you are lost in vscode don't worry too much, do something where you can
2017-09-29 01:25:12	DavidEichmann	Yeah, the tooling support for Haskell really needs improvement. hie seems quite promising.
2017-09-29 01:25:25	DavidEichmann	I'll let you know how it goes
2017-09-29 01:25:28	alanz	I know next to nothing about it, and do not really know typescript/javascript either
2017-09-29 01:25:44	alanz	thanks. I am hoping it can become a focal point
2017-09-29 01:26:09	alanz	The ide integration is already shared across multiple people, as it helps all languages
2017-09-29 01:26:23	alanz	https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/wiki/Protocol-Implementations
2017-09-29 01:26:25	DavidEichmann	I used to write JS profesionally, but that was a long time ago. But yes with LSP I think we can make a massive leap in tooling.
2017-09-29 01:26:56	alanz	its what I hope. I am getting to the point of eating my own dog food on it, but the blocker is the incremental sync in emacs
2017-09-29 01:27:16	alanz	https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-mode/issues/114#issuecomment-331993867
2017-09-29 01:28:09	alanz	But I have to sit down with some spare hours and just focus on it.
2017-09-29 01:29:28	alanz	DavidEichmann: fyi there is also a #ghc-mod channel
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2017-10-03 13:10:54	alanz	So we are up to 600 stars on github
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2017-10-03 19:29:03	alanz	So I thought git repos kept commit hashes around forever
2017-10-03 19:29:21	alanz	But: Please ensure that commit 2e3dc742e6a701f3b9615a3d5a7d0dbc02cd60d4 exists within https://github.com/robrix/ghc-dump-tree.git
2017-10-03 19:36:18	hexagoxel	did they rewrite history or delete branches or something else? i am not aware of any "normal" scenarios where commits would vanish.
2017-10-03 19:36:45	alanz	I presume so. That stuff has all merged into the edsko master branch
2017-10-03 19:37:26	alanz	But it is frustrating to have previously working builds fail. E.g.https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/325
2017-10-03 19:37:43	hexagoxel	yeah, i saw. i watcher that repo too :)
2017-10-03 19:38:21	alanz	And if edsko actually updated his package onto hackage it would help
2017-10-03 19:38:59	hexagoxel	clone and reference that?
2017-10-03 19:39:08	alanz	But that functionality has moved into ghc too, as of 8.2 (I think). So we can ditch that one
2017-10-03 19:39:49	alanz	hexagoxel: its the first time it has happened, keeping clones up to date is too much hard work
2017-10-03 19:40:07	alanz	BTW, I am wanting to start using brittany from hackage soon too.
2017-10-03 19:40:17	alanz	All of the deps for hie, in fact
2017-10-03 19:40:39	alanz	Is it usable that way? I say a number of releases recently
2017-10-03 19:42:05	hexagoxel	i sure hope so. and yes, the latest release is almost up to date with git
2017-10-03 19:43:22	hexagoxel	next release probably will be a breaking one, even for the lib interface. new type of error/warning for the inlineconfig stuff.
2017-10-03 19:43:29	hexagoxel	so remember your upper bounds :)
2017-10-03 19:55:15	wz1000	alanz: I think a force push could have messed that up.
2017-10-03 19:55:51	wz1000	hexagoxel: will it work with 8.0?
2017-10-03 19:57:38	hexagoxel	wz1000: yes. https://travis-ci.org/lspitzner/brittany/builds/281436692
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2017-10-03 19:58:29	hexagoxel	yeh, force push is the simplest form of history rewrite.
2017-10-03 20:06:23	alanz	But I thought a force-push changed the branch structure, but does not delete the underlying hashes
2017-10-03 20:06:36	alanz	it just rearranges a named branch
2017-10-03 20:07:41	hexagoxel	oh wait, my "simplest form" was nonsense, i was thinking of amend and then force.
2017-10-03 20:08:51	hexagoxel	force sure can delete hashes. in fact you only need force when there is the potential that stuff will become unreferenced (and thus deleted)
2017-10-03 20:10:32	alanz	ok. I normally need to force after a rebase. And to avoid this I rebase into a new branch
2017-10-03 20:10:42	alanz	hence all my numbered branches :)
2017-10-03 20:10:44	hexagoxel	alanz: yes technically the force does not do the deletion. it merely makes certain hashes unreferenced from any .. branches/tags/.. i lack the correct term there.
2017-10-03 20:10:58	hexagoxel	and the next gc does the delete.
2017-10-03 20:11:05	alanz	ok.
2017-10-03 20:11:14	hexagoxel	and most git servers will gc regularly.
2017-10-03 20:11:27	alanz	So I assumed they became unreferenced, but still stayed in the repo
2017-10-03 20:11:30	alanz	Live and learn
2017-10-03 20:11:47	alanz	gc to win back storage. Makes sense
2017-10-03 20:12:13	hexagoxel	they are weak pointers, so to speak.
2017-10-03 20:12:18	hexagoxel	at that point.
2017-10-03 20:12:44	alanz	yes
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2017-10-06 11:42:31	wz1000	alanz: why don't ghc error messages use something like exactprint to render source?
2017-10-06 11:42:58	alanz	I was chatting to bgamari about doing just that
2017-10-06 11:43:21	alanz	But step one is to get ghc-exactprint into ghc, via the trees that grow annotations
2017-10-06 11:43:47	alanz	So it is on the roadmap, just will take a bit of time
2017-10-06 11:45:46	wz1000	can ghc-exactprint preserve the infix ($) here: http://lpaste.net/358974
2017-10-06 11:46:37	alanz	I don't know
2017-10-06 11:47:00	alanz	One of the problems with working on the parsed source is that fixities have not been resolved
2017-10-06 11:47:36	alanz	I know afarmer has written something to apply fixities as a fixup, but it is currently closed source
2017-10-06 11:48:27	alanz	But as GHC becomes more tooling friendly this should get sorted out. End up with phases that make sense for tool writers too
2017-10-06 11:51:38	alanz	wz1000: we should consider integrating hgrep some time
2017-10-06 11:52:51	alanz	And btw, let me know the status of your haddock work/available time. I am keen to merge https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/ghc-8.2.1-wz1000-additions-2
2017-10-06 11:53:14	alanz	but you were not happy with the doc lookup, or something
2017-10-06 11:53:41	alanz	And I see vscode 17 is out
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2017-10-06 17:36:12	alanz	wz1000: FYI https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/protocol.md#09262017
2017-10-06 18:02:45	alanz	And I just fixed a major incremental sync issue in the emacs client. Would not send the right changes for an update
2017-10-06 18:54:51	wz1000	neat
2017-10-06 18:55:11	wz1000	alanz: I don't understand the description for commit characters
2017-10-06 18:55:12	alanz	well, it was a stupid bug on my part in the first place
2017-10-06 18:55:38	alanz	I have not looked yet, to be honest. Dig around in the issues, it was discussed there
2017-10-06 18:56:04	wz1000	the completion system in hie needs a lot of work
2017-10-06 18:56:23	wz1000	preferably a reworking
2017-10-06 18:56:58	wz1000	it is quite buggy too
2017-10-06 18:57:07	wz1000	and slow
2017-10-06 18:57:23	wz1000	there is quite a bit of stuff we can cache
2017-10-06 18:57:53	alanz	ok. I have not really looked at it
2017-10-06 18:58:13	alanz	Been focusing on the emacs client, as I want to start making it my default
2017-10-06 18:58:26	alanz	So hie becomes my standard usage
2017-10-06 18:58:41	alanz	But I suspect that a REPL is going to be the biggest blocker
2017-10-06 18:58:52	alanz	So I think I am going to revisit that soon
2017-10-06 18:59:22	alanz	By basically using hie as an inferior ghci, but without all the other haskell mode stuff
2017-10-06 18:59:30	wz1000	hmm. I have another exam on monday, so can't do much until then.
2017-10-06 18:59:36	alanz	And it should be doable using the external interpreter
2017-10-06 18:59:46	alanz	No problem, studies come first.
2017-10-06 18:59:49	alanz	Good luck.
2017-10-06 19:00:10	wz1000	I think that could be doable(adding a repl to hie).
2017-10-06 19:00:25	alanz	I agree. Just a matter of doing it.
2017-10-06 19:00:45	alanz	We also need a steering mechanism, now that we have an 8.0.2 and 8.2.1 version
2017-10-06 19:01:19	alanz	Which can work as stack exec hie for stack projects, but needs something that works for non-stack projects
2017-10-06 19:01:59	alanz	And I am thinking of using an idea cocreature came up with, of having a front-end app that chooses the right backend. So it is a very thin layer.
2017-10-06 19:02:12	wz1000	alanz: I think it could be possible to share the dispatcher across transports, so that the same HIE process can serve both LSP and the REPL
2017-10-06 19:02:41	wz1000	the app would need to read the .cabal file?
2017-10-06 19:03:15	alanz	wz1000: Yes, that is the idea
2017-10-06 19:03:34	alanz	wz1000: the app would use ghc-mod/cabal-helper to ask what compiler version
2017-10-06 19:04:02	wz1000	but isn't ghc-mod only work with the version it was compiled with?
2017-10-06 19:04:03	alanz	Then either replace itself with the right hie, or spawn it as a sub-process, passing in stdio.
2017-10-06 19:04:16	alanz	cabal-helper is the key to that :)
2017-10-06 19:04:31	alanz	It exists for exactly this purpose
2017-10-06 19:06:41	alanz	And the plan for the REPL is to use this: https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/latest/docs/html/libraries/ghc-8.2.1/Hooks.html#v:createIservProcessHook
2017-10-06 19:07:22	alanz	Which allows us to pass in pipes for stdio to the repl process, and feed the result back, wrapped in the appropriate transport
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2017-10-06 19:46:38	wz1000	alanz: but wouldn't that mean another hie process would have to be started for the repl?
2017-10-06 19:54:58	alanz	wz1000: yes, the external interpreter
2017-10-06 19:55:22	alanz	But otherwise managing stdin and stdout for the REPL is impossible
2017-10-06 19:55:48	alanz	The other alternative is to somehow invoke ghci, give it stdio, and let hie run against sockets
2017-10-06 19:56:01	wz1000	wait, all of the ghc stdout in the lsp hie process can be safely redirected
2017-10-06 19:56:38	wz1000	so it should be possible to run HIE and the repl in one process
2017-10-06 19:56:57	wz1000	the repl could have a new transport
2017-10-06 19:57:12	wz1000	that shares the dispatcher of the lsp transport
2017-10-06 19:57:33	wz1000	and you simply run https://www.stackage.org/haddock/lts-8.18/ghc-8.0.2/src/InteractiveEval.html#execStmt
2017-10-06 20:08:10	alanz	wz1000: There is a huge expectation about ghci behaviour
2017-10-06 20:08:15	alanz	We need to expose all the commands
2017-10-06 20:09:01	alanz	And, a random haskell programme, running in ghci, must be able to do all the IO it would normally do
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2017-10-07 12:59:04	wz1000	alanz: have you seen https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/324#issuecomment-334911520
2017-10-07 12:59:21	 *	alanz looking
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2017-10-07 12:59:42	alanz	Except my internet/github is incredibly slow today
2017-10-07 13:00:04	wz1000	it seems like a commit was lost in all the rebasing
2017-10-07 13:00:27	alanz	Did they say which branch they are using? 
2017-10-07 13:00:40	alanz	Because master has not been rebased (I don't think)
2017-10-07 13:00:59	alanz	But I would not be surprised, to be honest
2017-10-07 13:01:20	alanz	There were a lot of moving parts to coordinate, I am pretty sure I stuffed something up along the way
2017-10-07 13:01:36	alanz	Shows up a lack of tests, if anything, I guess
2017-10-07 13:01:39	wz1000	alanz: this commit needs to be in the ghc-mod core used by HIE https://github.com/wz1000/ghc-mod/commit/2b1fc001e210ed499b94b490be36ca1e1aa610b0
2017-10-07 13:02:04	alanz	ok, will make sure it goes back in
2017-10-07 13:02:16	alanz	When I get to actually see it
2017-10-07 13:08:44	alanz	That net-neutrality feeling when fb and gmail are lightning fast, but everything else is dog slow
2017-10-07 13:08:58	alanz	but they are hosting in-country, I guess
2017-10-07 13:13:09	alanz	I think it is just github poked, again. They are a massive SPOF
2017-10-07 13:26:52	alanz	using this as an opportunity to get to know magit better
2017-10-07 13:39:15	alanz	wz1000: That commit is in my current ghc-mod tip version, I will switch current hie master to use it. But first make a test for it.
2017-10-07 13:40:04	alanz	And I am beginning to think we should switch hie to use gitlab. github is unusable, far too often
2017-10-07 13:43:22	wz1000	that could be a good idea, but the github community is much bigger
2017-10-07 13:43:54	alanz	I know. And that is the problem. And why things tend to centralise. Even when git is inherently federated.
2017-10-07 13:44:21	alanz	Its just frustrating to be blocked by stupid stuff.
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2017-10-07 15:24:47	alanz	And so much for repeatable builds. Current hie master does not build for me. After I eventually got all the deps to download
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2017-10-08 18:44:43	wz1000	alanz: btw, I think that that commit only has a visible impact if HIE is run on MacOS. Since we don't have a MacOS test machine, it would be impossible to test for it.
2017-10-08 18:45:57	wz1000	on linux canonicalisePath . openTempFile == openTempFile
2017-10-08 18:46:30	wz1000	i.e. openTempFile results in a canonical path
2017-10-08 18:47:47	wz1000	but not so on MacOS
2017-10-08 19:07:14	alanz	wz1000: ok
2017-10-08 19:07:33	alanz	I have not been able to access GH all weekend, so feeling pretty blind at the moment
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2017-10-11 11:04:07	\u	https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell/pull/4
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2017-10-11 16:21:13	--	Notice(GitHub40): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #327: GHC 8.2.1 @wz1000 additions (master...ghc-8.2.1-wz1000-additions-3) https://git.io/vdr6a
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2017-10-11 16:22:17	alanz	wz1000: I just asked for your comments on that. You had some kind of work in progress haddock integration.  I (sort of) brought it over, but may have butchered it in the process
2017-10-11 16:22:45	alanz	But I want to get this into master, so we can at least move forward, without all the weird branches and rebasing
2017-10-11 16:23:06	alanz	saurabhn_: I put in settings for hlint and number of warnings.
2017-10-11 16:23:37	alanz	but in my dev branches of hie and vscode-hie-server
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2017-10-12 21:14:13	wz1000	alanz: looks good.
2017-10-12 21:14:32	alanz	great, do you want to merge?
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2017-10-16 20:46:55	nh2[m]	alanz: I'm trying to use HIE with the Sublime Text LSP now; it seems to start the server, but "nothing happens"
2017-10-16 20:47:26	alanz	well, I have not had any reports about people doing that
2017-10-16 20:47:38	alanz	So I have no idea
2017-10-16 20:48:12	alanz	Try to start the server with logging enabled (and logging in the Sublime Text LSP, if that is possible)
2017-10-16 20:49:23	alanz	nh2[m]: Like this: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/hie-vscode.sh#L16
2017-10-16 20:49:46	nh2[m]	alanz: yeah I'm probably the first user of this combination so I don't expect things to work out of the box; will try that now
2017-10-16 20:50:13	alanz	Please report status, perhaps with a PR on the README if you succeed
2017-10-16 20:50:29	alanz	or even if you fail, what you tried. Or create an issue for it
2017-10-16 20:50:51	nh2[m]	alanz: btw, `--help` says `-r,--project-root PROJECTROOT - ... defaults to cwd` but if I just start `hie` from anywhere, it always says `Current directory:/home/niklas`
2017-10-16 20:52:00	nh2[m]	is it important where the project root is for HIE to work / does it have to be where my .cabal for stack.yaml are?
2017-10-16 20:52:50	alanz	it is important, but the LSP client is supposed to give it
2017-10-16 20:53:10	alanz	So the root you give to hie when you start it is immaterial
2017-10-16 20:54:28	alanz	nh2[m]: See https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/protocol.md#initialize-request
2017-10-16 20:56:05	nh2[m]	alanz: I don't have to use `-l` if my editor supports logging all stdout of the hie process to the editor terminal, right?
2017-10-16 20:56:44	alanz	correct
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2017-10-16 20:57:35	nh2[m]	(let  me know if this gets sent cut off, I'm trying out the Matrix <-> IRC bridge)
2017-10-16 20:57:38	alanz	nh2[m]: --vomit is for ghc-mod, so it spills its guts too
2017-10-16 20:58:09	nh2[m]	so it looks like it HIE found the stack project, but then nothing else is happening
2017-10-16 20:58:18	nh2[m]	and `initialize` is sent
2017-10-16 20:59:13	alanz	Best to give "hie -d -l /tmp/hie.log"
2017-10-16 20:59:33	alanz	then you can see the messages that hie sends and received
2017-10-16 21:00:12	alanz	iirc, -d turns on logging at debug level, and -l tells it what file to send it to
2017-10-16 21:00:24	alanz	it may default to stdout if -l is not set
2017-10-16 21:02:10	nh2[m]	oh right I forgot `-d`
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2017-10-16 21:03:17	nh2[m]	alanz: how do these things communicate, is it via stdin?
2017-10-16 21:03:51	alanz	yes, hie expects stdio
2017-10-16 21:04:33	alanz	And that log looks like hie starting up but not getting the initialize message from the client
2017-10-16 21:04:46	 *	alanz going afk for 20 mins
2017-10-16 21:07:14	nh2[m]	OK
2017-10-16 21:07:34	nh2[m]	I cloned the master version of the LSP plugin, I now get more info:
2017-10-16 21:07:34	nh2[m]	`LSP: haskell-ide-engine not available for view /home/niklas/src/haskell/copier/src/Copier.hs in window 26`
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2017-10-16 21:23:16	alanz	nh2[m]: That last part of the initialize message looks odd, the 374 stuff
2017-10-16 21:24:05	nh2[m]	alanz: that is just strace output, the number of bytes requested to write, and written, in the `write()` system call
2017-10-16 21:24:17	alanz	ok
2017-10-16 21:26:28	alanz	but if I pretty print that message it looks good.
2017-10-16 21:26:50	alanz	hie should put something in the log if it sees it though
2017-10-16 21:27:20	alanz	So perhaps the stdio is not hooking up as expected, when the hie subprocess is launched
2017-10-16 21:27:57	nh2[m]	yeah it's not there, I'll try to find in strace where it does the read
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2017-10-16 22:07:02	nh2[m]	alanz: is it possible that `hie` `fork()`s? I see a `clone()` syscall happening
2017-10-16 22:08:35	nh2[m]	actually, I think the clone() is just the `ghc_worker`, nevermind
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2017-10-16 22:16:59	nh2[m]	*expect
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2017-10-16 22:54:20	alanz	nh2[m]: back now, can look a but
2017-10-16 22:54:21	alanz	bit
2017-10-16 22:54:53	alanz	I suggest running hie against either vscode or emacs, so you can observe how it normally behaves, and compare
2017-10-16 22:56:54	alanz	nh2[m]: This is a hie log from starting a project in vscode: http://lpaste.net/6409861853144416256
2017-10-16 22:59:35	nh2[m]	alanz: ah, `--lsp` is not on by default?
2017-10-16 23:00:17	alanz	I am not sure what it is now, but it did not used to be
2017-10-16 23:00:50	nh2[m]	alanz: passing it made stuff progress, so I guess it isn't
2017-10-16 23:00:59	alanz	great
2017-10-16 23:01:22	alanz	I know we also support a json stdio mode, as used by arrowsvc for kdevelop
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2017-10-16 23:04:39	alanz	It did become the default for a while though, then became the flag option again.
2017-10-16 23:04:58	alanz	All during the HSOC work wz1000 was doing.
2017-10-16 23:05:40	alanz	BEcause this is the critical bit: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/app/MainHie.hs#L129
2017-10-16 23:05:57	nh2[m]	alanz: whoa it works out of the box
2017-10-16 23:06:09	alanz	yay, awesome.
2017-10-16 23:06:56	alanz	please capture the relevant info in the right place (hie, sublime text plugin) so that future users don't have to struggle like you did
2017-10-16 23:07:18	alanz	And this is the joy of using standard protocols
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2017-10-16 23:09:20	nh2[m]	alanz: https://i.imgur.com/vl5QDu4.png
2017-10-16 23:10:06	alanz	nice. I hope that is an error in your code, not a problem in hie
2017-10-16 23:10:38	alanz	btw, you can turn the hlint warnings off, and set the number of diagnostics to return
2017-10-16 23:11:31	nh2[m]	alanz: I just wrote `ASDF` into the buffer to demonstrate that it highlights errors
2017-10-16 23:11:58	alanz	ok, gotcha. And is it doing the incremental sync thing?
2017-10-16 23:12:14	alanz	I see the file is unsaved, by the dot in the tab?
2017-10-16 23:13:10	nh2[m]	yes
2017-10-16 23:14:07	alanz	good, works as intended then.
2017-10-16 23:14:36	alanz	There are also some additional commands that need client code to work.
2017-10-16 23:14:51	alanz	Basically for the HaRe refactorings.
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2017-10-16 23:16:09	alanz	See https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/package.json#L87
2017-10-16 23:16:56	alanz	nh2[m]: ok, I will see about adding that to the HIE readme.
2017-10-16 23:17:17	alanz	Which needs to be reorganised, I think, around getting started.
2017-10-16 23:18:43	nh2[m]	alanz: so in Sublime I can press Ctrl+. to ask for things I can do at a given code position, does HIE implement that?
2017-10-16 23:18:54	nh2[m]	for me it currently just shows `No actions available`
2017-10-16 23:19:46	alanz	nh2[m]: is this correct: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/334
2017-10-16 23:19:53	alanz	in particular name attribution
2017-10-16 23:20:49	alanz	And in vscode, if you put the cursor on a line with a hlint suggestion, it will request a code action to apply the hint,which is then available in a context sensitive menu
2017-10-16 23:21:04	nh2[m]	alanz: yes
2017-10-16 23:21:16	nh2[m]	alanz: it seems that for this popup, it uses the `textDocument/codeAction` request
2017-10-16 23:21:27	alanz	ok, we do generate those.
2017-10-16 23:21:48	alanz	And at some point I want to bring in more of them, like adding an import etc
2017-10-16 23:21:54	alanz	But time ...
2017-10-16 23:22:34	alanz	FYI, the client side commands for emacs are implemented here: https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell/blob/master/lsp-haskell.el#L23
2017-10-16 23:22:57	alanz	So those are two client examples for bringing in the custom commands
2017-10-16 23:24:11	nh2[m]	looks like my request is getting through but hie returns an empty list:
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2017-10-16 23:25:11	alanz	ok, will look in a bit, eating supper first.
2017-10-16 23:25:24	nh2[m]	ok
2017-10-16 23:25:43	nh2[m]	in this case I placed the curser on `path` in this line:
2017-10-16 23:25:44	nh2[m]	https://github.com/nh2/copier/blob/c58b4539/src/Copier.hs#L96
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2017-10-16 23:46:51	arrowsvc	That stdio transport still doesn't work, though, as I got completely carried out by $work.
2017-10-16 23:47:39	alanz	arrowsvc: np
2017-10-17 00:02:32	nh2[m]	alanz: ah, looks like code actions do work, e.g. if I'm over a hlint warning it suggests to apply it
2017-10-17 00:02:44	alanz	good
2017-10-17 00:02:57	alanz	I'm tied up with some personal stuff atm...
2017-10-17 00:17:34	nh2[m]	ah, rename also works, it's just not a CodeAction, it's in the right-click context menu when I click a var
2017-10-17 00:17:41	nh2[m]	and it works
2017-10-17 00:20:30	nh2[m]	well for simple variables. Renaming a top level function binding seems to be doing a totally wrong transformation and break the syntax in many places (e.g. it inserts a type signature into the module export list). But that can be investigated later, I'm realy happy how many things work out of the box
2017-10-17 00:28:25	alanz	nh2[m]: can you make a bug report against HaRe for that renaming failure?
2017-10-17 00:29:01	alanz	ideally pointing at the specific project with git commit id
2017-10-17 00:29:23	alanz	like you did for the Copier.hs thing
2017-10-17 00:57:14	nh2[m]	alanz: done: https://github.com/RefactoringTools/HaRe/issues/63
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2017-10-17 01:18:03	alanz	thanks
2017-10-17 01:21:10	nh2[m]	now I'm trying to run hie from inside my `nix-shell` so I can use it on my nix project; currently get:
2017-10-17 01:21:11	nh2[m]	`hie: <command line>: cannot satisfy -package-id Boolean-0.2.4-FMYsUOyamHA1SvlALbvorI`
2017-10-17 01:23:07	alanz	there were some guys using hie in nix. Not sure who though, look through commits  / issues, you may see something
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2017-10-17 23:49:39	--	Notice(GitHub17): haskell-ide-engine/master 1a852e4 Alexey Raga: Don't propagate error if no definition is found
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2017-10-18 03:12:14	nh2[m]	alanz: I forgot to ask the other day, how to disable things like hlint or hoogle support?
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2017-10-20 17:40:54	cocreature	nh2[m]: afaik you can’t disable them yet (but that’s a feature that will be added in the future)
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2017-10-20 22:26:43	nh2[m]	alanz: trying to use HIE a bit more, I find that ghc-mod is very limiting. E.g. I cannot use it if it's not built with the same version of ghc as my project is using (`GHC.PackageDb.readPackageDb: inappropriate type`). Do you know if there's some work anywhere to make ghc a language server directly?
2017-10-20 22:27:54	nh2[m]	because to get the real diagnosics it should probably use the real compiler I'm using
2017-10-20 22:30:13	wz1000	nh2[m]: no, but with a bit of work, you could use HIE as your ghc. Or have different HIEs for each version of ghc you want to use.
2017-10-20 22:34:50	alanz	nh2[m]: The idea is to get hie to match the compiler in use, the same way that intero does
2017-10-20 22:34:56	alanz	It is on the todo list
2017-10-20 22:35:28	alanz	And hie currently compiles with GHC 8.0.2, and 8.2.1, so you can use whichever of those work for you
2017-10-20 22:35:55	alanz	the trick is to get them installed appropriately, and then called up according to project.
2017-10-20 22:36:04	alanz	In all environments, not just stack
2017-10-20 22:36:46	nh2[m]	wz1000 alanz: but in either of these cases I somehow need to make sure that hie is compiled with my current (e.g. stack) setup, right?
2017-10-20 22:36:56	nh2[m]	right now i have a single HIE in PATH but clearly that doesn't fly
2017-10-20 22:37:08	alanz	no, it only needs to match the current ghc
2017-10-20 22:37:21	alanz	ghc-mod will use the stack config, if it is a stck project
2017-10-20 22:37:52	nh2[m]	alanz: right, but I mean the ghc configured in my stack could be anything really
2017-10-20 22:38:58	nh2[m]	alanz: also, don't some parts of HIE just *shell out* to other programs, and for those I would need to be extra careful that they are compatible
2017-10-20 22:39:41	alanz	well, everything runs in the context of a single ghc session, managed by ghc-mod
2017-10-20 22:40:08	alanz	And everything is called as a library function, so no shell execs
2017-10-20 22:40:25	alanz	hlint obviously uses HSE, so does its own thing
2017-10-20 22:43:28	nh2[m]	right
2017-10-20 22:45:33	alanz	my focus is on GHC at the moment, so hie is a bit on the back burner. Trying to get the next step of trees that grow in
2017-10-20 22:45:59	alanz	https://github.com/ghc/ghc/tree/wip/ttg-2017-10-13
2017-10-20 22:46:07	alanz	but it is a slog
2017-10-20 22:47:08	nh2[m]	often those pay off
2017-10-20 22:50:03	alanz	I know. Because it will enable annotations in the GHC AST, which means ghc-exactprint can move into GHC
2017-10-20 22:50:18	alanz	Which will then more easily enable the incremental parsing, etc...
2017-10-20 22:50:27	alanz	But it is likely to be a multi-year process
2017-10-20 22:50:28	nh2[m]	+1
2017-10-20 22:50:38	alanz	not likely, definitely
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2017-10-23 16:20:31	mxf	hi *
2017-10-23 16:21:58	mxf	btw, the URL in the topic should be http://ircbrowse.net/browse/haskell-ide-engine, I guess.
2017-10-23 16:27:33	mxf	So I tried to test out HIE, but it fails in the `stack install` phase: http://lpaste.net/8328131914124754944
2017-10-23 16:29:22	mxf	I realize, that this is related to ghc-mod, but I didn't want to open a ticket there just yet.
2017-10-23 16:30:54	alanz	mxf I think the problem is https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/333#issuecomment-338604216
2017-10-23 16:32:24	alanz	mxf: it also looks like the fix is here: https://github.com/robrix/haskell-ide-engine
2017-10-23 16:34:49	mxf	alanz, thanks, let me try that.
2017-10-23 16:35:17	alanz	I will be doing the same thing for the master branch soon, just checking what robrix was working against
2017-10-23 16:42:43	mxf	alanz, same error message. the log just contains the error printed to stdout
2017-10-23 16:43:42	alanz	ok, I am making an update to get rid of the shebang on my branch, then can check again
2017-10-23 17:03:46	mxf	Where should MIN_VERSION_cabal_doctest be defined? grepping ~/.stack/ and .stack-work/ yields only ghc-mod's Setup.hs
2017-10-23 17:04:26	mxf	strace'ing stack install with -s 32000 also yields no results besides that Setup.hs
2017-10-23 17:05:09	alanz	mxf no idea
2017-10-23 17:05:38	alanz	I know doctest has been a thorny thing, there is some kind of update in cabal, but might be in an unreleased version
2017-10-23 17:09:03	mxf	Hm, I have the same exact version as in https://github.com/DanielG/ghc-mod/wiki/Installing#checking-and-installing-prerequisites
2017-10-23 17:09:10	mxf	Is there an ghc-mod channel?
2017-10-23 17:09:46	alanz	yes, #ghc-mod
2017-10-23 17:10:14	mxf	ah, d'oh. Let me ask there. Thanks for your time :)
2017-10-23 17:11:46	alanz	mxf, try building this: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/ghc-mod-mac
2017-10-23 17:11:56	alanz	for hie
2017-10-23 17:14:23	mxf	alanz, does this contain the same like fix like robrix master-branch?
2017-10-23 17:14:34	alanz	yes.
2017-10-23 17:14:37	mxf	because I already tried theirs
2017-10-23 17:14:51	alanz	And maybe try update to cabal-install 2.0
2017-10-23 17:15:09	alanz	what machine are you on?
2017-10-23 17:18:04	mxf	How do I install cabal 2.0? I'm on Debian testing with hackage-stack from unstable. System's ghc is 8.0.2
2017-10-23 17:20:10	--	Notice(GitHub81): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #339: Update for ghc-mod without shebangs in Setup.hs (master...ghc-mod-mac) https://git.io/vdxIa
2017-10-23 17:20:24	alanz	mxf, I am also on debian testing.
2017-10-23 17:20:49	alanz	And and i am using stack from the fpcomplete website
2017-10-23 17:21:01	alanz	what does stack--version give you?
2017-10-23 17:21:13	alanz	And perhaps try "stack upgrade"
2017-10-23 17:21:15	mxf	Version 1.1.2 x86_64 hpack-0.14.1
2017-10-23 17:21:41	alanz	Ok, I am using Version 1.5.1, Git revision 600c1f01435a10d127938709556c1682ecfd694e (4861 commits) x86_64 hpack-0.17.1
2017-10-23 17:21:48	alanz	whcih I got from stack upgrade
2017-10-23 17:21:55	alanz	or update, I forget whcih
2017-10-23 17:22:15	alanz	run stack upgrade
2017-10-23 17:22:26	alanz	it should download a binary for you
2017-10-23 17:22:36	alanz	and it is best to not install it via dpkg
2017-10-23 17:22:47	alanz	That mechanism has been deprecated by fpcomplete
2017-10-23 17:23:03	mxf	alanz, currently upgrading
2017-10-23 17:23:15	alanz	let me know how it goes
2017-10-23 17:23:30	mxf	will do
2017-10-23 17:23:40	mxf	Will be back in a bit
2017-10-23 19:08:55	--	Notice(GitHub24): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #339: Update for ghc-mod without shebangs in Setup.hs (master...ghc-mod-mac) https://git.io/vdxIa
2017-10-23 19:08:55	--	Notice(GitHub118): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vdxWe
2017-10-23 19:08:55	--	Notice(GitHub118): haskell-ide-engine/master 92f458f Alan Zimmerman: Update for ghc-mod without shebangs in Setup.hs...
2017-10-23 19:08:55	--	Notice(GitHub118): haskell-ide-engine/master 61e67c1 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #339 from alanz/ghc-mod-mac...
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2017-10-24 14:41:39	mxf	got hie working via lsp-haskell, which is comically slow; moving to the next line takes a couple of seconds. (on an i5-5287U @ 2.90GHz)
2017-10-24 14:42:13	mxf	Is this to be expected? Will test again in a couple of minutes with a bare bones config.
2017-10-24 14:43:04	mxf	(yes, emacs, lsp-haskell via lsp-mode)
2017-10-24 14:44:53	mxf	also getting this: `eldoc error: (lsp-timed-out-error) [18 times]`
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2017-10-24 14:50:59	alanz	mxf: I am looking into that at the moment.
2017-10-24 14:51:12	alanz	The problem is the messaging is synchronous
2017-10-24 14:51:45	alanz	Especially for the transient ones; documentHighlights, Hover, codeAction
2017-10-24 14:52:01	alanz	So I am intending to not wait for the result. 
2017-10-24 14:52:03	mxf	ah, yes, I already found that ticket at lsp-mode's bug tracker
2017-10-24 14:52:09	alanz	But need to see where/how to do it
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2017-10-24 14:52:42	alanz	The response only has an ID, so I need to store/match up the original. Which opens a can of worms around when to remove them
2017-10-24 14:53:13	alanz	Because I am trying to use lsp-mode for day-job stuff, and the lag is a problem
2017-10-24 14:53:25	mxf	ow
2017-10-24 14:53:34	alanz	mxf: have you tried it in vscode?
2017-10-24 14:54:26	mxf	nope, don't have vscode installed.
2017-10-24 14:55:09	mxf	I'm using a perverted emacs config right now, which turns it into something like vim on stereoids (DOOM Emacs)
2017-10-24 14:55:19	mxf	so I was using intero before.
2017-10-24 14:55:42	alanz	ok
2017-10-24 14:55:58	mxf	eh, *steroids
2017-10-24 14:56:06	alanz	I use spacemacs, and really like vim bindings
2017-10-24 14:56:36	alanz	seems bizarre to do it any other way once your fingers are used to it
2017-10-24 14:56:43	mxf	ah, yes. DOOM Emacs is very similar to spacemacs.
2017-10-24 14:57:00	alanz	I must maybe give it a try. 
2017-10-24 14:57:10	 *	alanz must avoid yak shaving
2017-10-24 14:57:25	mxf	haha, yeah, I know what you mean ;)
2017-10-24 14:58:33	mxf	If you want to steal some code, maybe look at mu4e's implemetation of async communication
2017-10-24 15:00:17	alanz	ok. Is it GPL?
2017-10-24 15:01:16	alanz	yes 3.0
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2017-10-25 02:22:25	alanz	mxf: You can try https://github.com/alanz/lsp-mode/tree/async
2017-10-25 02:24:14	alanz	It should be more responsive
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2017-10-25 09:59:56	sword865	Hi
2017-10-25 10:00:16	 *	sword865 I got some error on start in vscode::
2017-10-25 10:00:25	sword865	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/4A9eXNAc/
2017-10-25 10:00:44	sword865	anyone can help? thx
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2017-10-25 12:25:11	alanz	sword865: you need to update hie
2017-10-25 12:25:48	alanz	sword865: oops, no, I need to release a newer vscode plugin.
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2017-10-25 12:43:08	sword865	ok, thx. I will wait for the new release :)
2017-10-25 13:11:14	mxf	alanz, still trying to figure out how to activate lsp-mode in DOOM :o
2017-10-25 13:11:31	mxf	alanz, (from a local dir, that is)
2017-10-25 13:11:48	alanz	mxf: I thought you had tried it but it was slow?
2017-10-25 13:11:56	alanz	ok, gotcha
2017-10-25 13:12:09	alanz	It should be a matter of setting up the load paths correctly
2017-10-25 13:12:17	alanz	In some sort of user init zone
2017-10-25 13:15:11	mxf	yeah, it really wants to do this with QUELPA's local dir recipes, but I think there's a bug in the logic, it still installs it via melpa.
2017-10-25 13:15:44	mxf	let me hack around this by setting the load-path and I'll report back
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2017-10-25 14:18:04	mxf	alanz, still getting timeouts on eldoc, although I can now move approx. 75% without a delay \o/
2017-10-25 14:18:43	mxf	alanz, i'm using a global hoogle db, is that why I'm running into this?
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2017-10-25 14:24:34	alanz	mxf: can you send me a snippet of /tmp/hie.log that shows the delay?
2017-10-25 14:37:03	alanz	sword865: Please try https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/wip
2017-10-25 14:41:37	mxf	alanz, ah, I was wondering how to enable debug logs :)
2017-10-25 14:41:46	--	Notice(GitHub55): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #341: Set default value for config message (master...fix-missing-hlint-on-in-config) https://git.io/vFezs
2017-10-25 14:42:01	alanz	mxf: it should be enabled in lsp-mode by default
2017-10-25 14:42:44	alanz	https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell/blob/master/lsp-haskell.el#L253
2017-10-25 14:42:54	mxf	alanz, sorry, I meant, whether there were any. Thanks for the hint :)
2017-10-25 14:43:24	alanz	And that code will probably break on windows/osx
2017-10-25 14:43:39	alanz	not sure how to deal with it though, not using either of those
2017-10-25 14:43:46	mxf	I can send you the complete output? not sure what to look for
2017-10-25 14:44:18	mxf	https://qu.cx/~/hie.log
2017-10-25 14:46:24	alanz	Help wanted: https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell/issues/6
2017-10-25 14:47:06	alanz	mxf I will take a look. When did the lag happen?
2017-10-25 14:48:02	alanz	ok, it is doing something I saw peridically on mine too, where hie basically stopped responding.
2017-10-25 14:48:23	mxf	I was basically just moving my cursor up and down
2017-10-25 14:48:25	alanz	Did you restart the REPL, and it came up with warnings, offering to fix them?
2017-10-25 14:49:22	mxf	never opened the repl, neither got warnigs. I think I'll have to try to reproduce it in a bare bones config
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2017-10-25 14:49:44	mxf	not sure whether DOOM Emacs interacts in a weird way with this
2017-10-25 14:49:51	alanz	There is something weird, if you look at the last part of the file (after the last "server restart"
2017-10-25 14:50:10	alanz	you will see that messages go from the client to hie, but no responses go back. At all
2017-10-25 14:50:19	alanz	Can you build the project atm?
2017-10-25 14:50:36	alanz	Is it publicly visible anywhere?
2017-10-25 14:53:07	mxf	It doesn't build currently and no, I haven't made it public yet
2017-10-25 14:55:07	alanz	what do you get if you try to build it at the cli?
2017-10-25 14:56:09	mxf	alanz, I think the slowdowns happen, when I move my cursor to the first char of a package name in an import statement
2017-10-25 14:56:29	alanz	mxf, the problem is that hie is not responding at all
2017-10-25 14:56:57	mxf	alanz, I commented out the errors and I can move my cursor without lag.
2017-10-25 14:56:59	alanz	and the hover request is not async
2017-10-25 14:57:12	alanz	because of the way it is structured
2017-10-25 14:57:49	alanz	I want feedback from vibhavp on the approach before doing that
2017-10-25 14:58:22	alanz	But the fundamental problem is that hie should never hang up like that
2017-10-25 14:58:56	alanz	mxf: can you make some kind of a bug report/test case that reproduces the problem?
2017-10-25 14:59:14	alanz	or even just say what you are seeing, and include that log link
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2017-10-25 15:06:34	mxf	alanz, yeah, i'll try to come up with a minimal test case
2017-10-25 15:09:25	mxf	alanz, btw, (expand-file-name "hie.log" temporary-file-directory)) should be doing the trick. I have to debug DOOM before I can sensibily test non-elpa packages, tho :/
2017-10-25 15:09:56	mxf	minus the trailing paren ;)
2017-10-25 15:40:14	alanz	ok, thanks
2017-10-25 16:31:48	--	Notice(GitHub56): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vFe1J
2017-10-25 16:31:49	--	Notice(GitHub56): haskell-ide-engine/master 812736f Alan Zimmerman: Set default value for config message
2017-10-25 16:31:49	--	Notice(GitHub56): haskell-ide-engine/master 704e41e Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #341 from alanz/fix-missing-hlint-on-in-config...
2017-10-25 16:31:49	--	Notice(GitHub107): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #341: Set default value for config message (master...fix-missing-hlint-on-in-config) https://git.io/vFezs
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2017-10-25 19:22:03	mxf	alanz, trying to reproduce this, I created a minimal emacs config: https://gist.github.com/9b17fe/ef870e9c948cfb7d7e2a3bf70fe6415f
2017-10-25 19:23:35	mxf	This will load Haskell/LSP major modes but hie won't be executed, which baffles me
2017-10-25 19:23:50	alanz	mxf: I am more interested in the haskell project you are trying to run. The problem is there.
2017-10-25 19:24:15	alanz	The delay in the hover is because it is a sync call, but hie is not responding
2017-10-25 19:24:17	alanz	at all
2017-10-25 19:25:07	alanz	and the current instructions call for #'lsp-haskell-enable, I think
2017-10-25 19:25:38	alanz	See https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell
2017-10-25 19:26:11	mxf	ah, yeah, I was looking at your fork :/
2017-10-25 19:26:56	alanz	I updated it in a PR, which got discarded as it was fixed in master
2017-10-25 19:27:07	alanz	need to merge back
2017-10-25 19:27:12	alanz	to avoid confusion
2017-10-25 19:27:34	mxf	Ah, sweet, now I can reproduce it with this minimal config.
2017-10-25 19:28:01	mxf	Will now minimize my code
2017-10-25 19:28:17	alanz	great
2017-10-25 19:28:23	alanz	and I updated my fork
2017-10-25 19:28:38	alanz	Too many moving parts to all of this
2017-10-25 19:31:20	mxf	one thing I notice with a new project: ELDoc major(?) mode is loaded, which wasn't before
2017-10-25 19:32:43	alanz	it is used in lsp-mode, for the hover stuff
2017-10-25 19:33:54	mxf	hie hangs, when I only see "--->", correct?
2017-10-25 19:34:54	mxf	https://qu.cx/~/hie2.log
2017-10-25 19:35:03	mxf	Will write up a bug report
2017-10-25 19:35:57	mxf	should I report this against lsp-haskell or h-i-e?
2017-10-25 19:41:36	mxf	(it's basically just `stack new hie-bork protolude` and moving over the Package names in Main.hs)
2017-10-25 19:41:55	mxf	alanz, -^
2017-10-25 19:43:24	mxf	Do it like 10x
2017-10-25 19:53:07	alanz	mxf: sorry, was offline for a bit, changing locations
2017-10-25 19:53:37	alanz	mxf, against hie
2017-10-25 19:53:42	mxf	alanz, np. I don't pay you for support, after all ;)
2017-10-25 19:53:53	alanz	if it affects something else, I will re-route
2017-10-25 19:53:56	alanz	:)
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2017-10-25 20:03:12	alanz	mxf: That log shows the same problem. If you look at the end of it, the arrows all go to the right, none going left
2017-10-25 20:20:44	mxf	alanz, done.
2017-10-25 20:21:10	alanz	ok, will take a look, but a bit later, tied up for the next couple of hours
2017-10-25 20:22:53	mxf	sure, let me know if I can help out
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2017-10-26 12:47:06	alanz	wz1000: I want to only process reqHover if the current file version is already loaded.  As in not even submit it to the dispatcher if this is not the case. What is the simplest way to do that?
2017-10-26 12:47:46	alanz	And I guess the answer is to try get the module, and respond immediately on success.
2017-10-26 12:52:55	alanz	which can't happen, because of IdeM.  Need some kind of queryable state.
2017-10-26 12:53:12	 *	alanz thinking aloud
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2017-10-26 16:12:13	wz1000	alanz: then hover would not work for the case when you make some edits but we still have useable data from the previous versions
2017-10-26 16:13:28	alanz	wz1000: I am extending the DispatcherEnv to keep a map from (Uri,Version) to GM.CachedModule
2017-10-26 16:13:50	alanz	And the idea is that at the end of any message processed in the dipatcher it updates it
2017-10-26 16:14:14	alanz	Then I can check if it exists in the LSP thread, and if so use it, else return nothing
2017-10-26 16:14:37	alanz	So should have identical behaviour to the current, except no delay.
2017-10-26 16:14:58	alanz	And the hover request won't trigger a compile, but that should be ok
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2017-10-26 20:24:14	alanz	mxf: This branch has a fast hover, it never blocks, returns nothing if the module is not currently loaded.  https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/fast-hover
2017-10-26 20:24:32	alanz	Please give it a try, and let me know what you think
2017-10-26 20:24:54	alanz	wz1000: I had to remove the hoogle calls from it, will see how to put them back later
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2017-10-26 21:27:32	mxf	alanz, thanks! will check it out later tonight.
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2017-10-26 22:08:25	wz1000	alanz: I don't understand what you are doing. I saw the diff of your branch 
2017-10-26 22:15:47	wz1000	why do you want the map in the dispatcherEnv?
2017-10-26 23:06:05	alanz	wz1000: the dispatcher runs in its own thread
2017-10-26 23:06:30	alanz	So if it is processing a request, such as getting ghc diagnostics, it is doing a compile, and is blocked
2017-10-26 23:06:52	alanz	so whenever it finishes, we store the CachedModule in a TVAR
2017-10-26 23:07:19	alanz	So when the hover request comes in, if we have the CachedModule (from a previous command), we can reply immediately
2017-10-26 23:07:54	alanz	But we are in the R monad, not IdeM, so cannot access the relevant hoogle db location for it
2017-10-26 23:08:03	wz1000	oh, neat
2017-10-26 23:08:06	alanz	But, we can add that to the stored info
2017-10-26 23:08:14	alanz	the hoogle db location, that is
2017-10-26 23:08:34	wz1000	we can put this logic in the dispatcher itself so that every other command can also use it.
2017-10-26 23:08:42	alanz	I am wondering whether we should have something like a compile service, that we can hand these off too
2017-10-26 23:09:16	wz1000	Most commands can be reduced to pure functions of the form CachedModule -> something
2017-10-26 23:09:19	alanz	Yes, except the dispatcher thread can do long-running taasks
2017-10-26 23:09:27	alanz	Agree. 
2017-10-26 23:09:37	alanz	So the compile service makes cache modules
2017-10-26 23:09:48	alanz	Then we process the stuff in the dispatcher.
2017-10-26 23:09:52	wz1000	yes, and the other commands consume those
2017-10-26 23:10:06	alanz	This is sort of my original async command architecture
2017-10-26 23:10:14	alanz	yes
2017-10-26 23:12:59	wz1000	alanz: what about splitting the compile service into another thread that communicates with the dispatcher thread?
2017-10-26 23:13:48	alanz	yes, that is what I was thinking
2017-10-26 23:13:50	wz1000	and removing GhcMonad from the IdeM
2017-10-26 23:13:57	alanz	yes
2017-10-26 23:14:11	wz1000	so IdeM can be something like ReaderT CompileData
2017-10-26 23:14:19	alanz	And I want to move most of the heavy lifting out of LspStdio into its own module too
2017-10-26 23:14:28	alanz	sounds good
2017-10-26 23:14:51	alanz	Which means stuff like hlint/hoogle that do not use GHC can run at their own pace
2017-10-26 23:15:07	 *	alanz needs to go for a bit. Foof.
2017-10-26 23:15:10	alanz	food
2017-10-26 23:15:37	wz1000	I tried doing this once(turning everything into pure functions), but the ghc-mod api needs the GhcMonad for a type info command
2017-10-26 23:19:07	wz1000	ooh, I fixed that by making pureTypeCmd
2017-10-26 23:19:09	wz1000	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/commit/3e2ada699155008b41a22f2269ba9c3843214bc6#diff-7b73da39d2cdccd6267a96bbb00d7fd6R237
2017-10-26 23:19:42	wz1000	I forgot about that
2017-10-26 23:19:57	wz1000	collectSpansTypes needed the ghcmonad
2017-10-26 23:21:10	wz1000	but then I added the type map to the cache
2017-10-26 23:21:33	wz1000	IIRC that was the main thing that blocked turning everything into pure functions
2017-10-26 23:22:51	wz1000	so that should be quite simple now.
2017-10-26 23:24:46	alanz	nice
2017-10-26 23:29:23	wz1000	but I won't get much time this weekend as I have a project and some homework due monday.
2017-10-26 23:29:37	wz1000	I could probably take a look after that.
2017-10-26 23:29:54	alanz	ok.
2017-10-26 23:30:23	alanz	I am starting to use it for daily stuff, so knocking off the warts. Like performance
2017-10-26 23:30:35	alanz	But I am happy to run against my branch in the interim
2017-10-26 23:31:08	alanz	The extension has been installed 759 times in vscode
2017-10-26 23:31:35	wz1000	its been very hectic this semester because one of the profs is pregnant, so she finished her course(which is usually 4months long) in just 2
2017-10-26 23:31:35	alanz	And 628 stars on github. Starting to get traction :)
2017-10-26 23:32:40	alanz	wow, tight schedule
2017-10-26 23:33:11	alanz	but hopefully it will settle a bit once the 2 months is over
2017-10-26 23:34:54	wz1000	yeah, we just had the final exam this monday
2017-10-26 23:35:53	alanz	ok. Did you manage to learn it all in that short time?
2017-10-26 23:38:48	wz1000	yeah. well, I think I managed to do decently in the exam anyway
2017-10-26 23:45:06	alanz	holding thumbs for you
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2017-10-27 12:24:12	alanz	wz1000: btw, see https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/pull/21
2017-10-27 12:41:58	wz1000	yes, I saw. Very nice
2017-10-27 12:43:16	wz1000	alanz: but what is the package lock file in the diff?
2017-10-27 13:38:00	mxf	alanz, didn't get around testing your branch yesterday. Build and had a quick look at it just now. Awesome! Works as intended, I guess :)
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2017-10-27 17:36:25	alanz	mxf: great
2017-10-27 17:36:54	alanz	wz1000: The lock file lists exact versions for all deps
2017-10-27 17:37:15	alanz	So it guarantees a reproducable install. Like using a stackage snapshot
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2017-10-30 14:22:51	handre	hi everyone, I am trying to create a nix expression to install haskell-ide-engine and got pretty far using stack2nix but I don't have an expression for ghc-mod-core and I can't find any Hackage package nor git repo for ghc-mod-core, can anyone point me in the right direction where to get ghc-mod-core ?
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2017-10-30 14:58:49	handre	its ok I found the source for ghc-mod-core in the specific git revision
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2017-10-31 00:03:51	freeman42x	hey, anyone using HIE via VSCode on NixOS? I'm having trouble getting it to work with hoogle
2017-10-31 00:04:10	freeman42x	`warn: No hoogle db found. Check the README for instructions to generate one`
2017-10-31 00:06:53	freeman42x	if only I knew Japanese haha https://qiita.com/waddlaw/items/b83cd10311200095fe87
2017-10-31 00:07:08	freeman42x	but still that is not Nix specific
2017-10-31 00:07:46	freeman42x	I tried `stack hoogle` but it dies on zlib missing header
2017-10-31 00:08:24	freeman42x	and I already have hoogle installed via `ghcWithHoogle`, not sure why `stack hoogle` is needed
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2017-10-31 04:18:36	wz1000	freeman42x: you can try hoogle generate
2017-10-31 04:18:47	wz1000	if you have the correct version of hooogle installed
2017-10-31 04:21:44	wz1000	freeman42x: the readme is here: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine
2017-10-31 04:21:57	wz1000	I'm not sure how you saw that webpage
2017-10-31 04:22:32	freeman42x	I searched for the error on google, that is how I found it
2017-10-31 04:22:43	freeman42x	creating a ticket for the issue right now
2017-10-31 04:23:48	wz1000	$ hoogle generate should do the trick
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2017-10-31 04:25:36	wz1000	that web page looks very interesting
2017-10-31 04:25:48	wz1000	From what I can glean from google translate
2017-10-31 04:26:08	freeman42x	wz1000: are you familiar with Nix/OS ?
2017-10-31 04:26:26	wz1000	seems to be a blog post about experiences with HIE
2017-10-31 04:26:33	wz1000	freeman42x: not really...
2017-10-31 04:27:52	freeman42x	the idea is that Hoogle is already installed and the DB was already generated
2017-10-31 04:27:54	freeman42x	but HIE does not see it
2017-10-31 04:28:06	freeman42x	most probably because of wrong assumptions on its location
2017-10-31 04:28:13	wz1000	freeman42x: HIE will look for the db in ~/.hoogle/default-haskell-5.0.13
2017-10-31 04:28:14	freeman42x	which is different in NixOS
2017-10-31 04:28:37	freeman42x	I'll have a look, it is possible it will still be there
2017-10-31 04:29:23	wz1000	freeman42x: can you open a repl in the HIE project, import Hoogle and the run defaultDatabaseLocation action?
2017-10-31 04:29:35	wz1000	because that is where it should be looking for the db
2017-10-31 04:29:58	freeman42x	will do
2017-10-31 04:30:16	freeman42x	was actually curious how I could get the source to tell me that heh
2017-10-31 04:30:33	freeman42x	ironically not needed since as you said it is just calling hoogle function
2017-10-31 04:30:49	wz1000	the logic is a bit more complex than that
2017-10-31 04:31:07	wz1000	defaultDatabaseLocation is actually the last place it looks for the db
2017-10-31 04:31:12	freeman42x	yeah, I seen whole logic, but that was the important bit
2017-10-31 04:31:41	freeman42x	should I run repl with `stack repl` ?
2017-10-31 04:31:49	freeman42x	ahem `stack ghci`?
2017-10-31 04:31:54	freeman42x	oh wait
2017-10-31 04:32:00	freeman42x	`stack exec ghci`? xD
2017-10-31 04:32:11	 *	freeman42x does not use stack.
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2017-10-31 04:32:49	wz1000	stack repl should work
2017-10-31 04:33:26	wz1000	if all else fails, copying the db to hiehoogledb.hoo under the root of your project should work
2017-10-31 04:33:54	freeman42x	hmmm `Could not find module `Hoogle'`
2017-10-31 04:34:28	freeman42x	I only run `import Hoogle` in the repl
2017-10-31 04:34:34	wz1000	ah, you might have to cd to hie-hoogle
2017-10-31 04:34:55	wz1000	then run stack repl
2017-10-31 04:36:15	wz1000	or simply stack install hoogle
2017-10-31 04:36:22	freeman42x	that prompt though hahaha, it is like 3 lines of modules
2017-10-31 04:36:55	freeman42x	`stack install hoogle`
2017-10-31 04:36:56	freeman42x	under NixOS it is recommended to install packages using nix when possible
2017-10-31 04:37:40	wz1000	that should only install it for that stack sandbox
2017-10-31 04:37:53	wz1000	nothing global
2017-10-31 04:38:22	freeman42x	it returned `"/home/neo/.hoogle/default-haskell-5.0.13.hoo"`
2017-10-31 04:38:26	freeman42x	ah, I see
2017-10-31 04:39:20	freeman42x	there is no Hoogle folder there
2017-10-31 04:39:38	freeman42x	no `~/.hoogle` folder
2017-10-31 04:40:37	freeman42x	but running `hoogle Maybe` does work
2017-10-31 04:41:04	freeman42x	so it is just using a different path for the DB because it is installed using Nix
2017-10-31 04:41:40	freeman42x	wz1000: this would require a patch to `hoogle` Haskell library right?
2017-10-31 04:42:52	wz1000	freeman42x: I think the hoogle cli accepts a --database= param
2017-10-31 04:43:14	wz1000	$ hoogle generate --database=...
2017-10-31 04:43:27	wz1000	or you can simply copy the database 
2017-10-31 04:43:49	wz1000	either to defaultDatabaseLocation, or to hiehoogledb.hoo under any project you want to use hie with
2017-10-31 04:45:05	freeman42x	wz1000: this is a UX issue
2017-10-31 04:45:36	freeman42x	it should be solved bellow the user-level, so it is no longer an UX issue
2017-10-31 04:46:01	freeman42x	what i mean is that it should just work without requiring more incantations from the user
2017-10-31 04:46:44	wz1000	how would you change it? building the hoogle db for each project is not really an option because it takes too much time, network, memory and cpu
2017-10-31 04:46:58	wz1000	I mean automatically building it
2017-10-31 04:47:13	freeman42x	well, I am not sure yet what the fix is
2017-10-31 04:47:44	wz1000	somehow, on your machine, defaultDatabaseLocation as seen by HIE is not the same as that seen by the hoogle cli
2017-10-31 04:47:52	freeman42x	but based on what we discussed it appears that `defaultDatabaseLocation` is making wrong assumptions regarding where the DB could be
2017-10-31 04:48:06	freeman42x	hmmm
2017-10-31 04:48:12	wz1000	the hoogle cmd app also uses defaultDatabaseLocation
2017-10-31 04:48:28	wz1000	so maybe you have a custom/patched version of that
2017-10-31 04:48:39	freeman42x	possible
2017-10-31 04:49:25	freeman42x	would a symbolic link do?
2017-10-31 04:49:33	wz1000	probably
2017-10-31 04:49:34	freeman42x	not sure what to make of this
2017-10-31 04:50:20	freeman42x	hoogle must be having some configuration somewhere or something telling it where the DB is stored
2017-10-31 04:57:25	freeman42x	I tried this `hoogle generate --database=hiehoogledb.hoo --local=.` as mentioned in the readme and that did not work
2017-10-31 05:04:35	wz1000	freeman42x: you need haddocks built for that
2017-10-31 05:04:48	wz1000	try removing the --local
2017-10-31 05:05:52	wz1000	freeman42x: if hoogle does have some config(I'm pretty sure not), then defaultDatabaseLocation should take that into account
2017-10-31 05:06:16	freeman42x	good point
2017-10-31 05:06:30	wz1000	so if that is the case, we are probably looking for an upstream patch
2017-10-31 05:08:37	wz1000	I just took another look at the hoogle source. Doesn't seem like it is reading any config file
2017-10-31 05:09:16	freeman42x	wz1000: [neo@nixos:~/exercism/haskell/hello-world]$ file $(which hoogle)
2017-10-31 05:09:17	freeman42x	/run/current-system/sw/bin/hoogle: symbolic link to /nix/store/2498i4qzycyjd72c8r0dj59impslsx65-ghc-8.2.1-with-packages/bin/hoogle
2017-10-31 05:10:22	wz1000	and hoogle -V ?
2017-10-31 05:15:53	freeman42x	wz1000: this was the issue https://paste2.org/f7khUdWh
2017-10-31 05:16:11	freeman42x	Hoogle 5.0.13, http://hoogle.haskell.org/
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2017-10-31 05:27:57	wz1000	freeman42x: I'm not really sure what the solution is here. any ideas?
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2017-10-31 05:37:09	freeman42x	wz1000: puffnfresh is suggesting to get HIE to work with Nix 🙂
2017-10-31 05:38:37	freeman42x	ahem, HIE to work with Haskell Nix projects
2017-10-31 05:38:41	wz1000	I have never used nix, so can't really work on that myself. PRs are always welcome though :)
2017-10-31 05:39:21	wz1000	hmm, that would probably require some changes in ghc-mod(-core)
2017-10-31 05:39:24	freeman42x	wz1000: he pointed at this issue: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/117
2017-10-31 05:40:28	freeman42x	wz1000: I'm a Haskell beginner trying to get an I/DE working so I can work on stuff
2017-10-31 05:40:44	wz1000	It should be the same as with cabal new-build. If support is added to ghc-mod, HIE should require minimum changes.
2017-10-31 05:40:44	freeman42x	the irony is that to work on stuff I need to work on stuff haha
2017-10-31 05:41:53	wz1000	well, it is still a very young project.
2017-10-31 05:42:17	freeman42x	ah, I am not complaining, I know where it stands
2017-10-31 05:42:39	freeman42x	just saying that I can't do much, I might try though
2017-10-31 05:45:03	wz1000	even stuff like fixing the docs and mentioning any extra steps you needed to take to get it to work is very useful
2017-10-31 05:45:22	wz1000	s/docs/build instructions
2017-10-31 05:45:36	freeman42x	yup, I know, but I have other priorities and HIE is just something required to meet them
2017-10-31 05:46:26	freeman42x	if I knew it would be doable in reasonable time to get HIE to work with Nix, I'd do it
2017-10-31 05:47:17	freeman42x	I get why it is not working when looking in global location
2017-10-31 05:47:47	freeman42x	but why it is not working after I do `stack hoogle` I do not get
2017-10-31 05:48:02	wz1000	freeman42x: there are some nix expressions(?) on that issue. Don't they work?
2017-10-31 05:48:18	freeman42x	where is this location? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/305fb6122bab94e8fe4ee81370fbc41fd33f94b2/hie-hoogle/Haskell/Ide/HooglePlugin.hs#L71
2017-10-31 05:48:41	wz1000	stack hoogle requires that haddocks for your project be buildable
2017-10-31 05:48:44	freeman42x	 > freeman42x: there are some nix expressions(?) on that issue. Don't they work?
2017-10-31 05:48:45	freeman42x	I haven't tried them. Even if they worked, that would not solve our issue I think
2017-10-31 05:49:39	wz1000	if you just want a quick and dirty fix, copy your hoogle db from the nix installation to <project-root>/hiehoogledb.hoo
2017-10-31 05:51:46	wz1000	freeman42x: that path should be something like .stack-work/hoogle/x86_64-linux-ncurses6/lts-8.18/8.0.2/database.hoo
2017-10-31 05:52:20	freeman42x	wz1000: `stack hoogle` runs without any errors
2017-10-31 05:52:48	freeman42x	but then when launching VSCode the warning about missing hoogle DB is still there
2017-10-31 05:53:08	wz1000	ah. did you run it on the root dir of the project you want to use HIE with?
2017-10-31 05:54:12	freeman42x	yes
2017-10-31 05:54:45	freeman42x	in the root of the project I opened with VSCode
2017-10-31 05:54:46	wz1000	and does database.foo exist somewhere under .stack-work/hoogle ?
2017-10-31 05:55:27	wz1000	also, whats your dir tree look like?
2017-10-31 05:55:35	freeman42x	yup, it is here: /home/neo/exercism/haskell/hello-world/.stack-work/hoogle/x86_64-linux-nix/lts-8.21/8.0.2/database.foo
2017-10-31 05:55:46	freeman42x	*database.hoo
2017-10-31 05:56:23	wz1000	freeman42x: ah... that looks like a bug. I'll try to take a look later today.
2017-10-31 05:56:54	freeman42x	ah, the path is wrong?
2017-10-31 05:57:05	wz1000	no, hie should have found that file
2017-10-31 05:57:28	freeman42x	yeah, I mean, the path HIE searched in is different than the one i pasted
2017-10-31 05:57:39	freeman42x	this might be an interesting exercise for me
2017-10-31 05:58:13	freeman42x	do you mind if I try to fix it? this should be easy (famous words before hard stuff coming)
2017-10-31 05:59:02	wz1000	do you have .stack-work/install/x86.../lts../8.0.2/pkgdb
2017-10-31 05:59:27	wz1000	freeman42x: you're very welcome to take a look
2017-10-31 06:00:33	freeman42x	wz1000: what I see - https://i.imgur.com/Xvpxcyq.png
2017-10-31 06:01:23	wz1000	freeman42x: do you have .stack-work/install/...
2017-10-31 06:01:29	freeman42x	oh
2017-10-31 06:01:49	wz1000	you are on .stack-work/hoogle/..
2017-10-31 06:02:01	freeman42x	yeah, I have pkgdb
2017-10-31 06:04:24	wz1000	so that line you looked at basically turns <stackdir>/install/<arch>/<resolver>/<ghc-ver>/pkgdb into <stackdir>/hoogle/<arch>/<resolver>/<ghc-ver>/database.hoo
2017-10-31 06:04:32	wz1000	and checks if that file exists
2017-10-31 06:04:46	wz1000	#71 in HooglePlugin.hs
2017-10-31 06:06:44	wz1000	Can you run HIE with --vomit and then send me the logs you get in the output window of vscode?
2017-10-31 06:07:37	freeman42x	maybe this is the issue: `x86_64-linux-nix` ? the `-nix` bit
2017-10-31 06:07:55	freeman42x	how do I run it with `--vomit` ?
2017-10-31 06:08:01	freeman42x	I use HIE with VSCode
2017-10-31 06:08:08	freeman42x	ah
2017-10-31 06:10:18	wz1000	hmm, did you install it from the marketplace?
2017-10-31 06:10:26	freeman42x	yes, from marketplace
2017-10-31 06:10:50	wz1000	because I haven't looked at the extension for a while, so don't remember if it provided an option to run it with --vomit
2017-10-31 06:11:43	wz1000	I'm pretty sure you need to edit hie-vscode.sh
2017-10-31 06:12:12	wz1000	which is easy to do if you clone it from here: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server
2017-10-31 06:14:24	freeman42x	cloned
2017-10-31 06:15:17	freeman42x	ah, I just need to switch comments around
2017-10-31 06:16:04	freeman42x	wz1000: this one `hie --lsp -d -l /tmp/hie.log --vomit $@` ?
2017-10-31 06:16:13	wz1000	yes
2017-10-31 06:41:13	freeman42x	wz1000: thank you for your help, I feel tired now and will go to bed
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2017-11-01 06:01:59	--	Notice(GitHub134): [haskell-ide-engine] MaxGabriel opened pull request #345: Add Sublime Text to README (master...addSublimeTextToReadme) https://git.io/vFOU4
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2017-11-01 14:21:50	--	Notice(GitHub12): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #345: Add Sublime Text to README (master...addSublimeTextToReadme) https://git.io/vFOU4
2017-11-01 14:21:52	--	Notice(GitHub129): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vFORS
2017-11-01 14:21:52	--	Notice(GitHub129): haskell-ide-engine/master 1c1b2fa Maximilian Tagher: Add Sublime Text to README...
2017-11-01 14:21:52	--	Notice(GitHub129): haskell-ide-engine/master e50755d Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #345 from MaxGabriel/addSublimeTextToReadme...
2017-11-01 14:24:30	--	Notice(GitHub128): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #347: Only give a hover result if we already have the cached module (master...fast-hover) https://git.io/vFO0v
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2017-11-01 15:13:50	jjjj	Hi, I am not able to build cabal-helper ending with setup: The program 'cabal' is required but it could not be found. Any ideas howto resolve the problem?
2017-11-01 15:13:53	jjjj	I am bulding via stack
2017-11-01 15:14:28	jjjj	and I was able to build cabal-helper separately (although I had to do stack init beforehand)
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2017-11-01 15:25:56	freeman42x	jjjj: you probably need to `stack install cabal-install` <- probably
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2017-11-01 16:05:32	jjjj	freeman42x: That helped, thanks
2017-11-01 16:05:58	freeman42x	your welcome
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2017-11-01 16:47:36	freeman42x	wz1000: had to give up on VSCode / HIE bug fixing since I could not get the VSCE installed
2017-11-01 16:48:07	freeman42x	I ran into this issue https://github.com/svanderburg/node2nix/issues/59
2017-11-01 16:48:41	freeman42x	actually, there are still countless ways to go on, but I give up for now
2017-11-01 16:49:11	freeman42x	I do not see what was wrong in that path anyway, would need some logging in HIE at that point while it is being run to see how the path differs
2017-11-01 16:49:31	freeman42x	might give it a try later
2017-11-01 16:55:40	alanz	freeman42x: you don't actually need vsce
2017-11-01 16:56:17	alanz	You can open the checked out extension code dir in vscode, then run it in debug mode with F5
2017-11-01 16:59:49	freeman42x	alanz: oh, that is even better. but I wouldn't know what to look for in the logs
2017-11-01 17:00:06	freeman42x	wz1000 probably knows
2017-11-01 17:00:38	alanz	ok, that is just how to run it in dev mode in vscode
2017-11-01 17:00:50	alanz	What bug are you looking for? That hoogle stuff
2017-11-01 17:00:52	alanz	?
2017-11-01 17:05:36	freeman42x	alanz: yeah, the path here seems to be wrong https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/305fb6122bab94e8fe4ee81370fbc41fd33f94b2/hie-hoogle/Haskell/Ide/HooglePlugin.hs#L71
2017-11-01 17:05:48	freeman42x	since it is not picking up the DB there
2017-11-01 17:06:05	freeman42x	or maybe it is and it is still showing the warning...
2017-11-01 17:07:31	alanz	ok. You can put a call to logm in there, and write it out into the log, so you can see what it thinks
2017-11-01 17:08:35	alanz	Or send it to stderr and it will show up in the output tab in vscode
2017-11-01 17:09:51	freeman42x	raises hand - Haskell beginner here. how can logm be called there?
2017-11-01 17:10:38	alanz	hold on ...
2017-11-01 17:10:43	freeman42x	I have to go in a few minutes for lunch but I will try this later
2017-11-01 17:13:24	alanz	See https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/305fb6122bab94e8fe4ee81370fbc41fd33f94b2/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs#L300
2017-11-01 17:13:27	alanz	ok
2017-11-01 17:20:13	wz1000	freeman42x: can you send me the logs and the content of your output pane in vscode when you use hie?
2017-11-01 17:20:17	freeman42x	alanz: thank you, I'll try this after lunch
2017-11-01 17:20:24	alanz	great
2017-11-01 17:20:47	wz1000	you don't need to put the logging in just now. 
2017-11-01 17:21:24	wz1000	I have a hunch what the bug is. Just need the logs to confirm
2017-11-01 17:21:38	freeman42x	wz1000: ok, I'll look into it later today, need to go right now
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2017-11-01 21:46:06	freeman42x	wz1000: ah, it was not showing the warning right now, I had a hiehooglesomethingdb.hoo under the project root
2017-11-01 21:46:22	freeman42x	and in the output window it was saying that it is using it at that location
2017-11-01 21:46:57	freeman42x	after deleting the DB it is showing the warning again, and there is no mention in the output about where it looked for the hoogle DB
2017-11-01 21:50:50	freeman42x	wz1000: this is the output https://gist.github.com/razvan-panda/2e02321d380b021badf5478e45e998e9
2017-11-01 21:55:41	freeman42x	I don't get why it is failing to load the testing module
2017-11-01 21:55:52	freeman42x	it used to work before
2017-11-01 21:55:57	freeman42x	I did stack build and stack test and they both run fine
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2017-11-01 22:39:32	wz1000	freeman42x: ok, that confirms the bug. ghc-mod is seeing you have dist/setup-config and assuming you use cabal to build your project
2017-11-01 22:39:55	wz1000	that file is a remanant of cabal usage with your project
2017-11-01 22:40:06	wz1000	so it is building the project using cabal
2017-11-01 22:40:08	wz1000	not stack
2017-11-01 22:40:19	freeman42x	ah, I see
2017-11-01 22:40:31	wz1000	so HIE thinks you are using cabal, not stack
2017-11-01 22:40:42	freeman42x	yup, I understand
2017-11-01 22:40:44	wz1000	so doesn't look for the hoogle db in ~/.stack-work
2017-11-01 22:41:20	freeman42x	wz1000: my issue is that I can not even `stack build` hie anymore
2017-11-01 22:41:25	wz1000	if you remove the dist/ directory, things should work as expected
2017-11-01 22:41:36	wz1000	freeman42x: what do you mean?
2017-11-01 22:42:06	freeman42x	https://gist.github.com/razvan-panda/b0ffe0bfb1ada261a128b418392b1944
2017-11-01 22:43:26	wz1000	hmm
2017-11-01 22:43:29	wz1000	 setup: The program 'cabal' is required but it could not be found.
2017-11-01 22:43:44	wz1000	do you have cabal installed?
2017-11-01 22:43:48	freeman42x	cabal is installed though
2017-11-01 22:43:53	freeman42x	happy is also installed
2017-11-01 22:44:38	freeman42x	I'm streaming this right now https://www.twitch.tv/freeman42x
2017-11-01 22:45:41	wz1000	ddid you make any changes to your configuration since the last time hie was building?
2017-11-01 22:46:16	freeman42x	I changed a lot of things, like the GHC version/stack etc.
2017-11-01 22:47:08	wz1000	hmm. I don't know much about this. alanz and dxld might be able to help
2017-11-01 22:47:58	freeman42x	I'll have to leave in half an hour or so
2017-11-01 22:48:17	freeman42x	I got one HIE built currently and on the path so it is fine
2017-11-01 22:48:31	wz1000	is that working as expected now?
2017-11-01 22:48:56	freeman42x	testing
2017-11-01 22:49:15	freeman42x	I assume it would based on your explanation
2017-11-01 22:49:19	freeman42x	all these builds are taking quite some time
2017-11-01 22:50:05	wz1000	yes. ghc 8.2 should make compilation significantly faster
2017-11-01 22:50:40	wz1000	ghc compilation times degraded significantly from 7.6 to 8.0
2017-11-01 22:51:12	wz1000	I thkn there was quite a bit of attention given to this issue for the 8.2 release
2017-11-01 22:51:33	freeman42x	now when I hover over things I am just getting `Loading...`
2017-11-01 22:51:36	freeman42x	it used to work before
2017-11-01 22:51:58	wz1000	do you see any messages?
2017-11-01 22:52:33	freeman42x	https://gist.github.com/razvan-panda/981573e16851090ef35ad3feee361d3b
2017-11-01 22:53:26	freeman42x	so apparently it could find the hoogle db generated by `stack hoogle`:
2017-11-01 22:53:26	freeman42x	`Using hoogle db at: /home/neo/exercism/haskell/hello-world/.stack-work/hoogle/x86_64-linux-nix/lts-8.21/8.0.2/database.hoo`
2017-11-01 22:53:30	wz1000	it seems like the same issue. can you revert your config to what you had yesterday? (I was under the impression nix makes this easy)
2017-11-01 22:53:32	wz1000	yes
2017-11-01 22:54:06	freeman42x	you mean to revert to latest GHC version?
2017-11-01 22:54:10	freeman42x	what does this mean though: `hie: Could not find $libexecdir/cabal-helper-wrapper` ?
2017-11-01 22:54:25	wz1000	because this is not really my area of expertise. alanz or dxld would be in a better position to help
2017-11-01 22:54:54	alanz	This is out of my zone too
2017-11-01 22:55:13	wz1000	something is messed up with the cabal installation, or the paths that ghc-mod is looking for it in.
2017-11-01 22:55:25	alanz	That directory gets set up by cabal-install, and is where the exe lives
2017-11-01 22:55:34	alanz	But how exactly it works I do not know
2017-11-01 22:55:47	alanz	And there may be some nix-specific magic to it
2017-11-01 22:55:57	freeman42x	ok, I will try GHC 821 again
2017-11-01 22:56:23	alanz	I suggest looking at the cabal-helper and ghc-mod repos, to see if there is anything in the docs, wiki, issues about it
2017-11-01 22:56:28	freeman42x	it will take some time since i did a nix gc
2017-11-01 22:56:28	alanz	it === nix
2017-11-01 22:58:08	wz1000	is your projects stack.yaml using ghc 8.0 or 8.2? and what version of ghc is hie built with
2017-11-01 22:58:14	freeman42x	I'll just try GHC 8.2.1 again since I know for sure that basic hover worked before
2017-11-01 22:59:23	freeman42x	ah yeah, the project I am testing on uses resolver: lts-8.21
2017-11-01 22:59:24	wz1000	because there are three versions of ghc/cabal in play - the one on your system, the one hie is built with, and the one used by your project
2017-11-01 22:59:37	freeman42x	for the `stack install` on HIE that worked before I didn't change anything
2017-11-01 22:59:45	freeman42x	so whatever HIE uses by default
2017-11-01 23:00:08	wz1000	hie uses 8.0.2 by default
2017-11-01 23:01:05	alanz	you need to build with stack-8.2.1.yaml in the hie dir
2017-11-01 23:01:16	wz1000	you need to build it with --stack-yaml stack-8.2.1.yaml to build it with ghc 8.2
2017-11-01 23:01:17	freeman42x	I keep getting these `missing the 'strip' program` warnings on project build
2017-11-01 23:01:35	freeman42x	I'll try that after
2017-11-01 23:01:40	alanz	or whatever the equivalent is with nix
2017-11-01 23:03:10	freeman42x	I'll have to leave in 12 minutes or so
2017-11-01 23:03:18	freeman42x	damn, if it wasn't for these build times :(
2017-11-01 23:04:44	wz1000	alanz: that reminds me, have you noticed any difference in build times for hie with 8.0 vs 8.2. that might be worth measuring
2017-11-01 23:05:11	freeman42x	hovering is still showing `Loading...`
2017-11-01 23:05:12	freeman42x	dunno what broke it :/
2017-11-01 23:05:14	freeman42x	same output as I pasted above
2017-11-01 23:06:00	freeman42x	https://gist.github.com/razvan-panda/6d1c406b5ea34204f3104e46da563ac9
2017-11-01 23:06:30	wz1000	I think you need to build hie with stack install --stack-yaml stack-8.2.1.yaml
2017-11-01 23:07:37	freeman42x	trying that right now `stack build --stack-yaml stack-8.2.1.yaml`
2017-11-01 23:08:14	freeman42x	most probably I won't have time for it to finish
2017-11-01 23:08:17	wz1000	alanz: we should add the version of ghc to the inital log line hie emits
2017-11-01 23:08:45	wz1000	hopefully ghc 8.2 means compilation is a bit faster :)
2017-11-01 23:09:18	freeman42x	progress 0/202 ... that does not look good
2017-11-01 23:09:46	wz1000	also, I think use ld.lld or ld.gold as your linker should improve linking time(which dominates incremental compile time) a lot
2017-11-01 23:10:23	wz1000	yes, it would need to rebuild everything since its a differt snapshot
2017-11-01 23:13:32	freeman42x	aight, no time now to finish the build, but I might continue working on this during the Haskell meetup
2017-11-01 23:13:39	freeman42x	thank you for your help, ttyl
2017-11-01 23:16:27	wz1000	freeman42x: be sure to stack install it after the build, or you'll be stuck with the old version of hie
2017-11-01 23:16:44	wz1000	I've been victim to this a few time :p
2017-11-01 23:19:45	freeman42x	wz1000: yup, I'm aware of that :)
2017-11-01 23:20:18	freeman42x	Should have just run install directly
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2017-11-02 00:21:36	freeman42x	wz1000: now getting https://gist.github.com/razvan-panda/ef412793949edfcd9243691f8e80cda0
2017-11-02 00:22:11	freeman42x	on hover is still showing `Loading...`
2017-11-02 00:23:46	wz1000	freeman42x: oops, looks like lts-8.21 is ghc 8.0 
2017-11-02 00:24:05	wz1000	try lts 9.1
2017-11-02 00:24:15	wz1000	or higher
2017-11-02 00:24:26	wz1000	9.11 is the latest
2017-11-02 00:24:52	freeman42x	you mean for building HIE?
2017-11-02 00:25:00	wz1000	no, for your project
2017-11-02 00:25:01	nh2[m]	if you want ghc 8.2, you need stackage nightly
2017-11-02 00:25:01	freeman42x	instead of `stack build --stack-yaml stack-8.2.1.yaml` ?
2017-11-02 00:25:12	wz1000	 your project and hie need the same version of ghc
2017-11-02 00:25:59	freeman42x	icy
2017-11-02 00:26:11	freeman42x	wz1000: how do you match `lts-8.21` to GHC version?
2017-11-02 00:26:29	wz1000	https://www.stackage.org/lts-8.21/
2017-11-02 00:26:41	wz1000	LTS Haskell 8.21 (ghc-8.0.2)
2017-11-02 00:29:54	freeman42x	ehm, I can't find a LTS for 8.2.1
2017-11-02 00:31:00	freeman42x	I wonder if it has to be nightly then
2017-11-02 00:31:01	alanz	freeman42x: there isn't one
2017-11-02 00:31:23	freeman42x	ah, any idea how I tell it to use nightly then?
2017-11-02 00:31:25	alanz	Use the nightly as per the hie stack-8.2.1.yaml
2017-11-02 00:31:38	alanz	"it" being nix?
2017-11-02 00:32:10	wz1000	https://www.stackage.org/nightly-2017-11-01
2017-11-02 00:32:15	freeman42x	I meant stack, got it ty
2017-11-02 00:32:19	wz1000	the latest nightly
2017-11-02 00:32:19	freeman42x	`resolver: nightly-2017-09-10`
2017-11-02 00:32:31	alanz	you should be able to just plug in "nightly-2017-09-10" instead of "lts-8.21"
2017-11-02 00:32:54	alanz	wz1000: best to use the one as per master, we know it works
2017-11-02 00:33:15	freeman42x	yeah, I am just using the same one HIE is using
2017-11-02 00:33:20	alanz	note to self: need to bump it to the halloween edition
2017-11-02 00:33:51	freeman42x	streaming -> https://www.twitch.tv/freeman42x
2017-11-02 00:39:18	freeman42x	now it is not even showing `Loading...` on hover
2017-11-02 00:39:25	freeman42x	new errors https://gist.github.com/razvan-panda/6e54194620701515bbc699643eb01937
2017-11-02 00:39:50	wz1000	hmm. what does your file look like?
2017-11-02 00:40:11	freeman42x	on hover it says ghcmod could not find module
2017-11-02 00:40:27	freeman42x	this might be related to modules installed for testing
2017-11-02 00:40:31	freeman42x	wz1000: which file?
2017-11-02 00:40:41	wz1000	the one you are running hie on
2017-11-02 00:41:09	freeman42x	wz1000: https://gist.github.com/razvan-panda/8a43946e5dda8e15f1ae4b8b97fae47f
2017-11-02 00:41:32	wz1000	are you dependencies installed? if your project has multiple components, like lib, test etc, then you need to do stack test to install the deps for the test component
2017-11-02 00:41:52	wz1000	yes, that looks like the component issue
2017-11-02 00:42:03	wz1000	try it on another file(not in the test component)
2017-11-02 00:42:11	wz1000	or run `stack test`
2017-11-02 00:42:15	freeman42x	I run both `stack test` and `stack build` and `stack hoogle`
2017-11-02 00:42:17	freeman42x	before opening VSCode
2017-11-02 00:42:29	wz1000	hmm
2017-11-02 00:42:34	freeman42x	`stack test` works fine
2017-11-02 00:42:38	wz1000	try another file
2017-11-02 00:43:53	wz1000	it could be a bug in hie. if it works for some other file, I will investigate
2017-11-02 00:44:39	freeman42x	also getting this error pop-up
2017-11-02 00:44:40	freeman42x	`Got error while processing diagnostics: These modules are needed for compilation but not listed in your .cabal file's other-modules: HelloWorld`
2017-11-02 00:44:51	wz1000	that is harmless
2017-11-02 00:44:57	freeman42x	guess what
2017-11-02 00:45:00	freeman42x	it is working now haha
2017-11-02 00:45:04	freeman42x	I don't even xD
2017-11-02 00:45:14	wz1000	nice
2017-11-02 00:45:31	freeman42x	well, kinda
2017-11-02 00:45:39	freeman42x	nice but not nice since I do not know what got it from not working to working state
2017-11-02 00:46:02	wz1000	did you restart it?
2017-11-02 00:46:20	freeman42x	I always restarted VSCode after doing the commands
2017-11-02 00:46:26	wz1000	the stack test you ran might have put the deps in the right place
2017-11-02 00:46:32	freeman42x	first time it did not work, the 2nd time it did
2017-11-02 00:46:36	wz1000	which hie then recognized on restarting
2017-11-02 00:46:41	freeman42x	yeah, but I already run stack test before that
2017-11-02 00:46:59	freeman42x	although what is weird is that after I run stack test again, it re-did the dependencies...
2017-11-02 00:47:07	freeman42x	no idea why
2017-11-02 00:47:14	freeman42x	maybe stack hoogle or stack build messed up with it
2017-11-02 00:47:24	wz1000	maybe
2017-11-02 00:47:26	freeman42x	but this is goo
2017-11-02 00:47:27	freeman42x	good
2017-11-02 00:47:39	freeman42x	no further change required heh :)
2017-11-02 00:50:37	freeman42x	wz1000: alanz thank you for your help
2017-11-02 00:54:37	alanz	glad to hear you got somewhere
2017-11-02 00:55:04	alanz	freeman42x: perhaps put your nix script up somewhere, or make a PR against hie describing what you did/have
2017-11-02 00:55:10	freeman42x	I probably should have created a ticket for it
2017-11-02 00:55:24	freeman42x	just so people who run into this issues can go faster solving them
2017-11-02 00:55:43	freeman42x	alanz: I haven't used any nix script
2017-11-02 00:55:43	alanz	well, the main thing is to capture it now
2017-11-02 00:56:06	freeman42x	capture what now?
2017-11-02 00:56:26	alanz	freeman42x: I understand that you are on nix, and your setup would not work
2017-11-02 00:56:38	alanz	And now you have done something, and it does
2017-11-02 00:57:46	wz1000	I think it was just a matter of getting the ghc versions to match up
2017-11-02 00:58:02	alanz	ok, well then there is nothing to capture, I guess.
2017-11-02 00:58:05	wz1000	and also delete the dist/ folder so ghc-mod doesn't think it is a cabal project
2017-11-02 00:58:06	freeman42x	ah
2017-11-02 00:58:18	freeman42x	actually yeah, there is 1 issue that could be fixed
2017-11-02 00:58:29	freeman42x	since this works based on local hoogle db
2017-11-02 00:58:32	--	Notice(GitHub32): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vF3MW
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2017-11-02 00:58:43	freeman42x	ideally it should pick up the main hoogle db even if it can't find a project local one
2017-11-02 00:58:53	alanz	yes
2017-11-02 00:58:55	wz1000	yes, it does try to do that
2017-11-02 00:59:25	freeman42x	 > and also delete the dist/ folder so ghc-mod doesn't think it is a cabal project
2017-11-02 00:59:26	freeman42x	Yep, that is what I did and what most probably fixed it
2017-11-02 00:59:52	freeman42x	so the issue is that the hoogle function that searches for the global DB can not find the global DB on nix
2017-11-02 00:59:59	wz1000	ah yes
2017-11-02 01:00:05	freeman42x	and that is because nix uses a custom location for it
2017-11-02 01:00:07	wz1000	nix uses a custom db location
2017-11-02 01:00:43	wz1000	but I'm not really sure what we can do about it
2017-11-02 01:01:00	wz1000	somehow query nix for the location
2017-11-02 01:01:07	wz1000	?
2017-11-02 01:01:08	freeman42x	wz1000: hoogle run through command line is a sh wrapper `exec /nix/store/808d1c83h6r0j0dxjpdwvg1dsnx297ww-hoogle-5.0.13/bin/hoogle "$COMMAND" --database /nix/store/ck1xycmridqlg3aa3igg0fg68kwf684v-hoogle-local-0.1/share/doc/hoogle/default.hoo "$@"
2017-11-02 01:01:08	freeman42x	`
2017-11-02 01:01:17	wz1000	I don't think that is feasible
2017-11-02 01:01:30	wz1000	I can't really think of any solutions to this
2017-11-02 01:02:00	freeman42x	this should be a solution patched in hoogle module though
2017-11-02 01:02:14	freeman42x	since the function there does not find the location, but... should it?
2017-11-02 01:02:25	freeman42x	since this is kind of a nix hack I think
2017-11-02 01:02:49	wz1000	yes, you could get hoogle to use the custom location by itself if it detects nix 
2017-11-02 01:02:53	wz1000	or something like that
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2017-11-02 01:05:30	freeman42x	yeah, but I wonder if that should be the correct solution
2017-11-02 01:05:40	freeman42x	I do not know enough about Nix to judge that
2017-11-02 01:05:53	freeman42x	should the global DB be immutable?
2017-11-02 01:06:16	freeman42x	the guy who implemented the hoogle package install under nix could have as well just kept the default location, yet he chose not to
2017-11-02 01:07:10	nh2[m]	freeman42x: what is the default location?
2017-11-02 01:07:35	freeman42x	I think by default the global hoogle DB is under... ~/hoogle/ or something like that
2017-11-02 01:07:48	wz1000	~/.hoogle
2017-11-02 01:09:28	freeman42x	`defaultDatabaseLocation` was returning `"/home/neo/.hoogle/default-haskell-5.0.13.hoo"`
2017-11-02 01:10:10	freeman42x	maybe whoever did the nix expression should have just kept the DB under that location
2017-11-02 01:10:13	nh2[m]	when you install a package with nix, it goes into the nix store, like everything else installed with nix (just like apt packages on Debian  don't go into your home directory), so I think this is the only sane way
2017-11-02 01:10:14	freeman42x	but then again, I do not know enough to judge
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2017-11-02 01:17:59	freeman42x[NixOS	as long as the DB should be immutable that is fine yeah, so then the solution would be a patch to the Hoogle library?, nix specific patch
2017-11-02 01:20:59	freeman42x[NixOS	now even stack repl in HIE is no longer working :/
2017-11-02 01:21:26	freeman42x[NixOS	"setup: The program 'cabal' is required but it could not be found." and yes, cabal is installed
2017-11-02 01:21:47	freeman42x[NixOS	stack is driving me insane
2017-11-02 01:27:01	freeman42x[NixOS	I wonder if this is because the cabal I am using is some different version or something
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2017-11-02 01:50:06	freeman42x	@nh2:matrix.org: I don't know what you mean by `hoogle-local`
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2017-11-02 02:00:45	freeman42x	https://github.com/ndmitchell/hoogle/blob/5003f416f5b9bb29e95f1cccdeb279953d9686e4/src/Action/CmdLine.hs#L73
2017-11-02 02:01:10	freeman42x	https://github.com/ndmitchell/hoogle/blob/4e25ebbc58e73ea0e386a5f700c3823936a7d48d/src/Hoogle.hs#L34
2017-11-02 02:05:42	freeman42x	wz1000: alanz nh2 do you guys think it might be a good idea to patch that function to work ok when using Nix?
2017-11-02 02:07:17	alanz	freeman42x: Make a PR, and see what ndm says
2017-11-02 02:07:34	alanz	He is normally quite receptive to things, I think
2017-11-02 02:07:38	freeman42x	alanz: fair point
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2017-11-02 07:46:30	freeman42x	I run into another issue
2017-11-02 07:46:40	freeman42x	HIE output for hoogle built using cabal GHC 8.2.1 https://gist.github.com/razvan-panda/e084fd8edc84597612cdf0afee3c6eec
2017-11-02 07:51:02	freeman42x	I wonder if that might be because I built hie using stack
2017-11-02 07:52:06	freeman42x	ah
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2017-11-02 08:21:59	freeman42x	because HIE was built using GHC 8.2.1 it can only work with projects built using GHC 8.2.1?
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2017-11-02 11:59:33	alanz	freeman42x: yes, the hie GHC version needs to match the project ghc version
2017-11-02 11:59:49	alanz	And we still need to come up with a mechanism to ensure that
2017-11-02 12:00:32	freeman42x	yeah, that sounds quite a problematic restriction, not all project might want to stay on the bleeding edge or close to it
2017-11-02 12:00:49	freeman42x	an alert/warning would be useful to figure out what went wrong
2017-11-02 12:01:27	freeman42x	currently when using mismatching GHCs what we can see are `Loading...` on hover
2017-11-02 12:01:53	alanz	ok, and I guess we need to add a sanity check for it at least
2017-11-02 12:02:15	freeman42x	something to improve the UX
2017-11-02 12:02:29	alanz	But that is why we are making sure it can build with both currently supported GHCs
2017-11-02 12:02:49	alanz	When it is on stack, and for stack based projects, we could do it like intero does
2017-11-02 12:03:03	alanz	So it automatically brings in the right one
2017-11-02 12:03:06	freeman42x	as long as there is any difference in version it will not work?
2017-11-02 12:03:18	alanz	But for straight cabal or nix projects it is not thatr simple
2017-11-02 12:03:21	freeman42x	so 8.0.1 combined with 8.0.2 won't work either?
2017-11-02 12:03:27	alanz	they should
2017-11-02 12:03:43	alanz	I think. Not sure though
2017-11-02 12:03:48	freeman42x	is it up to the first 2 version components then?
2017-11-02 12:04:03	alanz	I don't know.
2017-11-02 12:04:04	freeman42x	what I know is that I did not use same version and it did not work
2017-11-02 12:04:15	alanz	And that is expected
2017-11-02 12:04:19	freeman42x	currently I only managed to get it working using `stack`
2017-11-02 12:04:33	alanz	I think if a compiler can load the output of the other version to link, then it will work
2017-11-02 12:04:56	alanz	ok, I use it myself on both stack and cabal-only projects
2017-11-02 12:04:59	freeman42x	ah I see, now I get why the incompatibilities
2017-11-02 12:05:30	freeman42x	I'm not that familiar anymore with stack or cabal, but I'll try
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2017-11-03 18:53:12	nh2[m]	freeman42x: sorry for the delay; with "hoogle-local" I meant the nix package that appears in your invocation `--database /nix/store/ck1xycmridqlg3aa3igg0fg68kwf684v-hoogle-local-0.1/share/doc/hoogle/default.hoo`
2017-11-03 18:55:16	nh2[m]	freeman42x: I suspect, but have not confirmed, that if you have hoogle enabled when building your nix packages, it and you depend on them all in your project with `ghcWithPackages`, it creates for you one hoogle database that has all the hoogle databases of the different packages merged, which would be what you want. Because then you can tell HIE to simly use that database (as you did manually in your `--database`
2017-11-03 18:55:17	nh2[m]	invocation, but you'd want to tell HIE to get that from an env var from your nix environment instead of hardcoding it)
2017-11-03 19:29:30	freeman42x	@nh2 I'll reiterate on what you said later
2017-11-03 19:30:16	freeman42x	What I got from puffnfresh is that HIE needs to be adapted to work with Nix build
2017-11-03 19:31:28	freeman42x	Nix build puts the build results in a symlink called 'results' in current folder
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2017-11-04 02:09:03	sgronblo	Is this project still active?
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2017-11-04 02:22:36	freeman42x	sgronblo: good question, looking at the commits I've started to wonder also
2017-11-04 02:22:55	freeman42x	if it isn't maintained then I wasted a lot of time for almost nothing haha
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2017-11-04 03:02:15	sgronblo	Hmm, first impressions in VSCode are good
2017-11-04 03:05:28	freeman42x	sgronblo: using `stack build` doesn't even work for me with default stack.yaml
2017-11-04 03:05:42	freeman42x	`setup: The program 'cabal' is required but it could not be found.`
2017-11-04 03:05:59	freeman42x	and yeah, cabal is installed and on the path
2017-11-04 03:06:16	freeman42x	if I stack build the 8.2.1 yaml it works
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2017-11-04 13:17:18	alanz	the project is still, active, but it is OSS. So people work on it when time is available. And right now there are other priorities, so movement is slower.
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2017-11-04 14:06:43	freeman42x	are there any instructions for configuring VS Code + HIE to work with WSL? or does it need to get patched for that?
2017-11-04 14:08:54	alanz	What is WSL?
2017-11-04 14:09:30	freeman42x	alanz: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/about?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396
2017-11-04 14:09:46	freeman42x	there is a configuration to open the VS Code terminal under WSL and that works fine
2017-11-04 14:10:06	freeman42x	but I do not know if it is possible to tell the extensions to run under WSL
2017-11-04 14:10:08	alanz	ok. Out of my ecosystem, I can't help
2017-11-04 14:10:14	freeman42x	so that they can find the HIE installed under WSL
2017-11-04 14:10:49	freeman42x	alanz: so it doesn't work? can it be patched to work though? or should it?
2017-11-04 14:11:25	alanz	I do not run windows. I have no opinion on this. 
2017-11-04 14:11:32	alanz	Or rather, no knowledge
2017-11-04 14:12:20	freeman42x	I think it is probably just an issue of launching HIE through that shell
2017-11-04 14:12:35	freeman42x	will have a look at the extension code maybe it is obvious where the HIE call is done
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2017-11-04 14:15:20	alanz	there is a hie-vscode.bat file in the extension that starts it
2017-11-04 14:15:37	alanz	so putting the right magic in there should do it
2017-11-04 14:16:11	freeman42x	I see, cheers
2017-11-04 14:17:16	freeman42x	I'll try to install HIE under Windows, have the impression I was going the wrong way
2017-11-04 14:17:46	freeman42x	the reason I wanted to use the one under WSL was because HIE failed to build with stack on Windows before
2017-11-04 14:17:50	freeman42x	but I learned a few tricks meanwhile
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2017-11-04 14:20:25	alanz	ok, I think people are having success with it
2017-11-04 14:20:49	alanz	And if you can still remember the tricks, adding them to the README would help others
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2017-11-04 14:21:50	freeman42x	the main trick was to use Stack with Nix and use the 821 yaml, not much of a trick
2017-11-04 14:22:02	freeman42x	I think the 802 default yaml was failing always
2017-11-04 14:22:18	freeman42x	it couldn't find cabal even though it was in the path
2017-11-04 14:24:34	alanz	there is a version thing with cabal. The 8.2.1 build needs cabal 2.0, the 8.0.2 one needs cabal 1.24
2017-11-04 14:24:36	alanz	iirc
2017-11-04 14:24:50	alanz	As the ghc-mod support is still a bit in flux
2017-11-04 14:25:00	freeman42x	yeah, that seems the case, but from the error it was not obvious
2017-11-04 14:25:26	freeman42x	last time to fix it I manually changed the cabal version from 2 to 1.something in the yaml file and then it built with 802
2017-11-04 14:29:14	alanz	that makes sense, based on what I know of the stack config
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2017-11-04 20:06:14	freeman42x	I can't build HIE because it depends on Unix package (instead of only on Unix-Compat) which can't be built on Windows
2017-11-04 20:06:38	freeman42x	will have a look at maybe telling HIE extension to run the HIE built inside WSL
2017-11-04 20:10:20	alanz	freeman42x: I'm sure it used to be able to be built on windows. Strange.
2017-11-04 20:10:34	alanz	I wonder if we can set up CI for windows.
2017-11-04 20:10:46	alanz	Licence issues though, I am sure
2017-11-04 20:10:49	freeman42x	not sure how that could be possible since Unix package was never buildable on Windows afaik
2017-11-04 20:26:35	alanz	well, it obviously came in along the way, but because we do not have windows CI it does not get flagged as a problem
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2017-11-04 22:12:34	freeman42x	alanz: https://i.imgur.com/NMntF2h.png
2017-11-04 22:12:57	freeman42x	https://docs.haskellstack.org/en/stable/dependency_visualization/
2017-11-04 22:13:37	freeman42x	there are so many packages depending on it and they would all need to switch to unix-compat to fix the problem I think
2017-11-04 22:13:37	alanz	interesting
2017-11-04 22:13:57	alanz	I was thinking too that the dependency is not clear
2017-11-04 22:14:07	freeman42x	and unix-compat might not even contain all the required functionality to replace unix
2017-11-04 22:14:12	alanz	But I thought unix was supposed to have a windows equivalent?
2017-11-04 22:14:30	freeman42x	at one point I replaced unix with unix-compat in snowdrift dependencies and I managed to get it built under windows
2017-11-04 22:14:32	freeman42x	but that was lucky maybe
2017-11-04 22:16:16	alanz	hmm: https://github.com/haskell/unix/blob/master/unix.cabal#L58
2017-11-04 22:21:51	freeman42x	yeah, for a moment there I Thought you shared unix-compat and was wondering how come it does no longer work under Windows
2017-11-04 22:22:36	freeman42x	https://github.com/jystic/unix-compat/blob/master/unix-compat.cabal#L41
2017-11-04 22:24:00	freeman42x	hnng `if mingw32_HOST_OS`
2017-11-04 22:24:32	freeman42x	current git bash console under windows is MINGW64, they might have 32 bit install option also though, not sure
2017-11-04 22:25:28	freeman42x	puffnfresh said this is what is needed to do:
2017-11-04 22:25:29	freeman42x	1. fix HIE build to use Nix
2017-11-04 22:25:30	freeman42x	2. cross-compile HIE from WSL to Windows via Nix
2017-11-04 22:25:35	freeman42x	point 1 has a lot of value in itself
2017-11-04 22:27:01	alanz	ok. But I'm afraid I cant help on this 
2017-11-04 22:27:17	alanz	But I am surprised, it used to work on windows
2017-11-04 22:27:19	freeman42x	that's fine, I can't help either haha
2017-11-04 22:27:33	freeman42x	or rather, let me rephrase, I can, but it is not priority
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2017-11-04 22:27:47	alanz	Maybe look at the issues, see when the "builds on windows" one was fixed, then look at commits since
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2017-11-04 22:28:00	freeman42x	it would require for me to learn the nix programming language
2017-11-04 22:29:31	freeman42x	alanz: for running with the HIE built withing WSL shell, the change I'd have to make on Windows would have to be here right? https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/hie-vscode.bat
2017-11-04 22:29:41	freeman42x	how does the communication happen, using input/output with the process?
2017-11-04 22:30:04	freeman42x	cause then I'd probably just need a simple, run HIE using bash shell command <- need to figure out how to do that though
2017-11-04 22:30:27	alanz	yes, stdio comms
2017-11-04 22:30:29	freeman42x	`run HIE using Ubuntu WSL bash shell command`
2017-11-04 22:30:34	freeman42x	oh, cool
2017-11-04 22:30:39	freeman42x	it might be easy to get working though
2017-11-04 22:31:04	freeman42x	it is only an issue of us knowing how to call WSL terminal program from outside it
2017-11-04 22:36:36	freeman42x	alanz: found it https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/interop?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396
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2017-11-04 22:37:57	alanz	nice
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2017-11-04 22:39:13	freeman42x	gentlemen, we're in business!
2017-11-04 22:39:16	freeman42x	https://i.imgur.com/a0Rdfot.png
2017-11-04 22:40:59	freeman42x	alanz: wrong paste haha
2017-11-04 22:41:00	freeman42x	https://i.imgur.com/OBqOqou.png
2017-11-04 22:41:14	alanz	well done
2017-11-04 22:41:26	freeman42x	just need to test whether it works now
2017-11-04 22:41:36	alanz	I prefer the first paste
2017-11-04 22:41:41	freeman42x	thank you
2017-11-04 22:41:43	freeman42x	haha
2017-11-04 22:41:53	freeman42x	colors in windows terminal... that is insane...
2017-11-04 22:41:59	freeman42x	love it
2017-11-04 22:44:34	freeman42x	alanz: ehm, how did you say I can just load the extension from the git cloned folder
2017-11-04 22:44:35	freeman42x	?
2017-11-04 22:44:38	freeman42x	without the vsix something generation
2017-11-04 22:44:41	freeman42x	just simple load from folder
2017-11-04 22:45:19	alanz	What I do is open the folder in vscode, then press F5 to run it
2017-11-04 22:45:30	alanz	It launches another vscode instance with it.
2017-11-04 22:45:41	alanz	Effectively debugging the extension code
2017-11-04 22:45:44	freeman42x	you mean File -> open folder?
2017-11-04 22:45:49	alanz	yes
2017-11-04 22:45:55	freeman42x	ok, cheers!
2017-11-04 22:48:45	freeman42x	alanz: this is used later in the code I assume, right? https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/hie-vscode.bat#L3
2017-11-04 22:49:20	freeman42x	hmm
2017-11-04 22:49:55	freeman42x	I think what should happen is to determine if Ubuntu shell is available and contains hie built, or something like that
2017-11-04 22:50:59	freeman42x	this is a bit tricky
2017-11-04 22:51:38	freeman42x	and issue is that the bash -c shell does not contain the right environment paths
2017-11-04 22:51:50	freeman42x	so `which hie` would probably not just work
2017-11-04 22:52:14	alanz	Take a look at https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/src/extension.ts#L63
2017-11-04 22:52:28	alanz	Maybe there is an option to identify WSL
2017-11-04 22:52:48	alanz	There must be other vscode extensions doing this kind of stuff
2017-11-04 22:53:04	freeman42x	yup, there definitely is, like, maybe just check for `which bash` or something
2017-11-04 22:53:11	freeman42x	yeah, true
2017-11-04 22:53:35	freeman42x	but the wrong environment is still a problem
2017-11-04 22:54:13	freeman42x	K:\Sources\haskell-ide-engine>bash -c "hie"
2017-11-04 22:54:13	freeman42x	/bin/bash: hie: command not found
2017-11-04 22:54:55	freeman42x	this works `bash -c "~/.local/bin/hie"` <- but makes more assumptions
2017-11-04 22:55:28	freeman42x	also `HIE_SERVER_PATH` needs to be set while the extension is running?
2017-11-04 22:55:33	alanz	looks like you dont have ~/.local/bin in your pat
2017-11-04 22:55:35	alanz	path
2017-11-04 22:55:52	freeman42x	yeah, and that is the default, I didn't change anything in WSL
2017-11-04 22:56:01	alanz	That is just a thing to check if hie is there and send an error message if not
2017-11-04 22:56:13	freeman42x	oh
2017-11-04 22:56:18	freeman42x	so `HIE_SERVER_PATH` is not used at all later?
2017-11-04 22:56:22	alanz	Well, if you use stack, you need to put that dir in the path
2017-11-04 22:56:26	alanz	nope
2017-11-04 22:56:45	freeman42x	HIE is on the path if I use WSL
2017-11-04 22:56:52	freeman42x	it is not on the path when using the CMD > WSL interop
2017-11-04 22:57:22	alanz	I think your best bet is to detect WSL and then use the bash script
2017-11-04 22:57:40	alanz	in the typescript side
2017-11-04 22:57:43	freeman42x	yeah, but the issue is still the missing environment paths
2017-11-04 22:58:10	alanz	I thought you said it was in the path in WSL?
2017-11-04 22:58:32	alanz	I have set ~/.local/bin into my path via ~/.profile
2017-11-04 22:58:34	freeman42x	yeah, in WSL, but not in WSL launched through CMD
2017-11-04 22:58:35	alanz	In bash
2017-11-04 22:59:12	freeman42x	so the issue is that WSL vs WSL run through CMD have different paths
2017-11-04 22:59:19	alanz	There is a hierarchy of include stuff, where bashrc is invoked for certain  shells, .profile for others
2017-11-04 22:59:33	freeman42x	that means HIE is not available unless run in WSL terminal directly
2017-11-04 22:59:35	alanz	So if it runs via bash, or sh, it should honour that
2017-11-04 22:59:59	alanz	If you run it via CMD, it runs in a bash shell?
2017-11-04 23:00:32	freeman42x	no idea
2017-11-04 23:00:47	freeman42x	I just know that the WSL command run through CMD loses the paths
2017-11-04 23:01:12	alanz	well, given that the script says #!/bin/sh on top I would expect it to be eithe bash or sh
2017-11-04 23:01:42	alanz	which has well-defined startup semantics
2017-11-04 23:01:59	alanz	via .profile, .profilerc, .bash, .bash_rc erc
2017-11-04 23:02:01	alanz	etc
2017-11-04 23:02:46	alanz	https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/Bash-Startup-Files.html
2017-11-04 23:03:53	freeman42x	I ran `bash -c "echo $PATH$"` and the output is a mix of windows and WSL paths
2017-11-04 23:04:34	freeman42x	starts with `/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games` and then lots of windows mounted folders
2017-11-04 23:04:58	freeman42x	but there is no `/.local/bin/` under it
2017-11-04 23:05:15	freeman42x	and that is where HIE was installed to
2017-11-04 23:05:31	freeman42x	that might be a Nix installation convention
2017-11-04 23:06:00	alanz	that sounds like standard bash
2017-11-04 23:08:00	alanz	And I have a symlink from ~/.local/bin to ~/bin
2017-11-04 23:08:59	alanz	And this is in my ~/.profile http://lpaste.net/2380234733293404160
2017-11-04 23:09:04	alanz	Which is standard, I think
2017-11-04 23:09:20	freeman42x	this is the path under WSL terminal `/home/neo/.nix-profile/bin:/home/neo/.nix-profile/sbin:/home/neo/bin:/home/neo/.local/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games`
2017-11-04 23:09:33	freeman42x	so, under WSL, the `/.local/bin/` is there
2017-11-04 23:09:45	freeman42x	WSL also contains after that the rest of the WIndows environment paths
2017-11-04 23:10:38	alanz	yes, but look at the startup files thing
2017-11-04 23:10:59	alanz	There is a distinction between starting up as a user terminal session, and for a script
2017-11-04 23:11:17	alanz	With different files that get considered in each case
2017-11-04 23:11:37	alanz	And the reccomendation is to put all the stuff that needs to be in both into ~/.profile
2017-11-04 23:11:40	freeman42x	ok, I get it differs
2017-11-04 23:11:46	freeman42x	what I don't get is why and how to get it to work the same
2017-11-04 23:11:56	freeman42x	ah
2017-11-04 23:12:07	freeman42x	but that is the thing, this should work without manual user tweaking
2017-11-04 23:12:40	freeman42x	`bash -c` <- should just have same path, and then all is fine
2017-11-04 23:12:48	freeman42x	the fix definitely should not be up to the user
2017-11-04 23:12:49	alanz	well, stack install puts it into ~/.local/bin
2017-11-04 23:13:00	freeman42x	hmmm
2017-11-04 23:13:11	freeman42x	?
2017-11-04 23:13:17	alanz	which is their non-standard choice
2017-11-04 23:13:40	freeman42x	yeah, but that does not matter
2017-11-04 23:13:43	alanz	the hie exe. Anything
2017-11-04 23:13:52	freeman42x	I mean, the `bash -c` should just use same path as normal WSL
2017-11-04 23:13:56	freeman42x	otherwise it can break things
2017-11-04 23:14:00	alanz	Ok, well then you need to make sure that wherever you install it is in the path
2017-11-04 23:14:16	freeman42x	but it is in the path...
2017-11-04 23:14:19	freeman42x	`bash -c` <- this is the issue
2017-11-04 23:14:21	alanz	well, RTFM for bash
2017-11-04 23:14:30	alanz	it is a well-defined process.
2017-11-04 23:14:53	alanz	Sometimes people do "sh -c "bash blah""
2017-11-04 23:15:00	alanz	or something like that
2017-11-04 23:15:10	freeman42x	sorry, I am not familiar but I am looking into it
2017-11-04 23:15:55	alanz	thank of all the learning you are doing :)
2017-11-04 23:16:00	freeman42x	https://gist.github.com/razvan-panda/5631145bf6b81aa02b58674f71fcd9cb
2017-11-04 23:16:32	freeman42x	 > thank of all the learning you are doing :)
2017-11-04 23:16:33	freeman42x	why do you think I am doing this? well, actually, learning is mostly a side effect, but the goal is getting HIE working under Windows also
2017-11-04 23:16:41	freeman42x	HIE is a tool to achieve goals
2017-11-04 23:16:46	freeman42x	learning is also a tool to achieve goals
2017-11-04 23:16:50	freeman42x	HIE is not a goal in itself for me
2017-11-04 23:17:11	freeman42x	but it is fun
2017-11-04 23:17:52	alanz	My point is that most learning happens while trying to do something
2017-11-04 23:17:59	alanz	And not initially succeeding
2017-11-04 23:18:17	freeman42x	yeah, I am well aware of that
2017-11-04 23:18:27	freeman42x	my point is that learning is not a goal in itself
2017-11-04 23:18:46	alanz	I know. I am trying to find a silver lining for you.
2017-11-04 23:18:53	freeman42x	ideally things should provide good UX, which means that the learning should be minimal to use them
2017-11-04 23:18:58	alanz	I have been very impressed by your persistence with this
2017-11-04 23:19:05	freeman42x	right now we are working on HIE UX for WSL / Windows
2017-11-04 23:19:10	alanz	Eventually, yes
2017-11-04 23:19:16	alanz	yes
2017-11-04 23:19:29	alanz	Which is a massive user base, I am sure
2017-11-04 23:19:29	freeman42x	thank you, I like that you are helpful :)
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2017-11-04 23:20:03	freeman42x	`Which is a massive user base, I am sure` <- can't tell whether haha, you know
2017-11-04 23:20:04	alanz	sure, only too happy to help someone taking the trouble to dive in
2017-11-04 23:20:18	freeman42x	I'm doing it because I can still see solutions
2017-11-04 23:20:28	freeman42x	if I wouldn't see solutions I would have given up a long time ago
2017-11-04 23:20:35	alanz	good, which is more than I can do, not being on the platform
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2017-11-04 23:44:57	freeman42x	trap is set, now we wait https://github.com/Microsoft/WSL/issues/2634
2017-11-05 00:09:31	alanz	freeman42x: do you have a file called ~/.bashrc?
2017-11-05 00:10:17	freeman42x	alanz: see the update https://github.com/Microsoft/WSL/issues/2634#issuecomment-341920179
2017-11-05 00:10:52	freeman42x	 > freeman42x: do you have a file called ~/.bashrc?
2017-11-05 00:10:53	freeman42x	Yes, there is one in WSL
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2017-11-05 00:11:02	alanz	and what is in it?
2017-11-05 00:11:11	alanz	ditto for ~/.profile
2017-11-05 00:11:26	freeman42x	see my update above
2017-11-05 00:11:33	freeman42x	our problem is solved, probably
2017-11-05 00:11:34	alanz	for whatever serves as $HOME in WSL
2017-11-05 00:11:59	alanz	--login?
2017-11-05 00:12:07	freeman42x	yup
2017-11-05 00:12:19	freeman42x	probably on login the .bashrc or other scripts are run
2017-11-05 00:12:24	freeman42x	and that sets the correct paths
2017-11-05 00:12:29	alanz	That is the thing that drives whether .profile or .bashrc is read. FYI
2017-11-05 00:12:30	freeman42x	although, I don
2017-11-05 00:12:37	freeman42x	I don't get why echo $PATH$ does not show the path...
2017-11-05 00:13:03	freeman42x	 > That is the thing that drives whether .profile or .bashrc is read. FYI
2017-11-05 00:13:03	freeman42x	yeah, I knew that loging runs .bashrc
2017-11-05 00:13:19	freeman42x	just not used to WSL nor Linux that much
2017-11-05 00:14:20	alanz	I know. I am just trying to suggest that you set that path in .profile instead of .bashrc
2017-11-05 00:14:31	alanz	Then the --login won't matter
2017-11-05 00:15:04	freeman42x	 > the fix definitely should not be up to the user
2017-11-05 00:15:04	freeman42x	^
2017-11-05 00:15:35	freeman42x	any system needs to take care of its own dependencies as well as possible
2017-11-05 00:19:21	alanz	ok
2017-11-05 00:19:57	freeman42x	I hope it makes sense what I am saying
2017-11-05 00:20:14	freeman42x	HIE is a solution to some problems so it must work as easily as possible with minimal configuration
2017-11-05 00:26:55	alanz	Yes. So step 1 is to get it to work somehow.
2017-11-05 00:27:04	alanz	Step 2 is to make it work "out of the box"
2017-11-05 00:27:13	alanz	Have you got step 1 done?
2017-11-05 00:27:54	freeman42x	alanz: you are assuming I want to go through those steps
2017-11-05 00:28:02	freeman42x	I am just going for Step 2
2017-11-05 00:28:29	alanz	ok. In my experience, taking small steps when problem solving is a good strategy. But it is up to you
2017-11-05 00:28:57	freeman42x	taking small steps is ok as long as you do not see a clear clean solution, I see the clear clean solution and I can take the clear clean steps towards it
2017-11-05 00:29:06	freeman42x	right now I'm reading about WSL though, no hurry
2017-11-05 00:31:40	alanz	ok
2017-11-05 00:32:17	freeman42x	the feedback from MS regarding this is very good
2017-11-05 00:32:26	freeman42x	the interoperability video is nice also
2017-11-05 00:35:19	freeman42x	alanz: I feel like crying since the common solution would use shell commands
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2017-11-05 00:39:01	freeman42x	alanz: `Activating extension `alanz.vscode-hie-server` failed: Cannot find module 'k:\Sources\vscode-hie-server\out\src\extension'.` hnnng
2017-11-05 00:39:24	freeman42x	all I did was to run it via Debug
2017-11-05 00:39:35	freeman42x	and open a simple Haskell project
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2017-11-05 00:48:41	alanz	no idea
2017-11-05 00:49:00	alanz	I know there is a launcher thing with config in it
2017-11-05 00:49:15	freeman42x	guess I'll try to pack it
2017-11-05 00:50:24	alanz	Under debug, open configurations
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2017-11-05 01:52:38	freeman42x	the problem `'tsc' is not recognized as an internal or external command` <- missing TS compiler
2017-11-05 01:52:48	freeman42x	haha, I knew I'd f##k up something by uninstalling VS
2017-11-05 02:04:56	freeman42x	https://gist.github.com/razvan-panda/905608d946c05494a140be8ff867f379
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2017-11-05 02:21:06	freeman42x	did an NPM install and it still fails on 1 last error
2017-11-05 02:36:48	freeman42x	haha `hie: C:UsersRazvanAppDataLocalTemphie.log: openFile: invalid argument (Invalid argument)`
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2017-11-07 06:54:36	Tehnix	How is the vscode extension usually published? Manually?
2017-11-07 06:55:04	Tehnix	If that is the case, there should probably be set some travis script up for it, thoughts?
2017-11-07 06:56:32	Tehnix	freeman42x: I added some additional setup information in this PR <https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/pull/27/files#diff-f0e09ea60b1f1cc6a00329faaa3f7193> might help you, else any additional info needed would be nice to get added in there
2017-11-07 06:56:41	Tehnix	I just went through building and testing it locally myself for it
2017-11-07 07:26:21	--	Notice(GitHub129): [haskell-ide-engine] Tehnix created enhance-readme (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vF4Wi
2017-11-07 07:26:21	--	Notice(GitHub129): haskell-ide-engine/enhance-readme c7e8f52 Christian Kjaer Laustsen: Clean up and organize the README
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2017-11-07 16:06:25	freeman42x	Tehnix: nice update
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2017-11-07 21:19:37	alanz	Tehnix: sorry, I have been at a conference last two days, have not really been able to pay attention
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2017-11-08 05:15:37	Tehnix	alanz: Do you think it'd make sense to set up publishing to market place via Travis? I can set up a script for another repo I have on there and PR the final one :slightly_smiling_face:
2017-11-08 05:16:08	Tehnix	Shouldn't be that hard, especially since they support secret env variables
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2017-11-08 17:12:39	alanz	Tehnix: for the vscode plugin?
2017-11-08 17:16:20	alanz	Tehnix: make a PR, so we can see something concrete
2017-11-08 17:16:44	alanz	And I am happy to have someone running with this, it is not anywhere near my area of expertise
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2017-11-09 05:53:19	Tehnix	alanz: I'll set up a PR later today hopefully then :slightly_smiling_face:
2017-11-09 06:36:36	alhariel	what is the backend for go to definition
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2017-11-10 14:26:10	--	Notice(GitHub188): [haskell-ide-engine] Tehnix closed pull request #311: Document Atom integration (master...atom-integration) https://git.io/v5GvR
2017-11-10 14:29:58	--	Notice(GitHub63): [haskell-ide-engine] Tehnix pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vF2CM
2017-11-10 14:29:59	--	Notice(GitHub63): haskell-ide-engine/master e1d400e Christian Kjær: Fix broken link in README and add link to vscode repo
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2017-11-10 22:15:28	eacameron	Where should I start if I want to try this in VSCode?
2017-11-10 22:36:34	alanz	eacameron: clone the repo locally and stack install it, then look for haskell in the vscode plugin market
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2017-11-10 22:37:20	eacameron	alanz: Awesome. So the VSCode plugin is already in the market?
2017-11-10 22:37:54	alanz	yes. Over 1000 installs, you will see
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2017-11-10 23:20:57	eacameron	alanz: Is there a reason haskell-ide-engine is not in nixpkgs?
2017-11-10 23:21:12	alanz	no idea. I do not use nixos
2017-11-10 23:21:36	eacameron	alanz: I may add it. Then it will be cached for nix users (not just nixos users)
2017-11-10 23:24:24	alanz	sounds great
2017-11-10 23:24:41	alanz	If you do that, please make a PR on the README for other nix users
2017-11-10 23:25:08	alanz	And I think there may be some open issues wrt nix, and ghc-mod, I think
2017-11-10 23:26:19	eacameron	Ah ok thanks for the heads up
2017-11-10 23:26:57	alanz	Just looked, and nothing there now. I am sure there was someone having difficulty.
2017-11-10 23:27:04	alanz	Maybe the solved it
2017-11-10 23:27:30	alanz	My focus is on GHC at the moment, there is a freeze coming, I need to get some stuff in
2017-11-10 23:27:45	 *	alanz winter is coming :)
2017-11-10 23:37:41	eacameron	alanz: Very understandable. Keep up the great work.
2017-11-10 23:37:53	alanz	thanks
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2017-11-10 23:43:04	eacameron	alanz: Does hie use my stack.yaml file to get all the dependencie?
2017-11-10 23:43:36	alanz	"my stack.yaml"?
2017-11-10 23:43:42	eacameron	For my project
2017-11-10 23:44:06	alanz	the stack.yaml is for GHC 8.0.2, and stack-8.2.1.yaml for GHC 8.2.1
2017-11-10 23:44:20	alanz	and yes, it pulls in specific repos and versions to do it
2017-11-10 23:44:36	alanz	as we are still waiting for ghc-mod to land with GHC 8.2.x support
2017-11-10 23:44:41	eacameron	Right, for hie itself, but when it's running for the editor, how does it grab the dependecies for *my* project
2017-11-10 23:44:49	alanz	ah
2017-11-10 23:45:05	alanz	Your project must be able to build, and ghc-mod sorts that out
2017-11-10 23:45:25	alanz	And I know it detects between cabal and stack projects, not sure about nix though
2017-11-10 23:45:43	eacameron	alanz: I see. My project uses stack but uses nix-shell underneath. I've never tried ghc-mod with that.
2017-11-10 23:45:53	alanz	So the best place to check those details is on #ghc-mod or the ghc-mod repo
2017-11-10 23:46:01	eacameron	alanz: Great, thanks.
2017-11-10 23:46:29	alanz	Please report back with your experiences. Nice to know what does and does not work
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2017-11-11 03:45:57	anrock	alanz: you here?
2017-11-11 03:57:40	alanz	anrock: sort of
2017-11-11 03:58:02	anrock	alanz: i've a couple updates on #329
2017-11-11 03:58:11	alanz	here, but cant really pay attention much
2017-11-11 03:58:30	anrock	Oh, ok. Check out https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/329 when you have a couple of minutes
2017-11-11 03:58:44	alanz	ok, did you manage to solve it?
2017-11-11 03:58:49	anrock	Not entirely
2017-11-11 03:58:57	anrock	I've fixed paths on win
2017-11-11 03:59:07	alanz	I recall it is quite straightforward to do, I just need to track down *where*
2017-11-11 03:59:15	anrock	But HIE reports wrong file for ghc-mod errors
2017-11-11 03:59:30	anrock	It reports some temporary file instead of actually edited one
2017-11-11 03:59:35	anrock	I'm lookin into that now
2017-11-11 03:59:46	alanz	But I have it on my list of things to do tomorrow. GMT+2 here, going to bed soon
2017-11-11 04:00:35	anrock	Heh, gmt+4 here. Not going to bed :)
2017-11-11 04:01:36	anrock	Well, anyway, i'll post my findings to github issue if there will be something notable.
2017-11-11 04:02:26	alanz	ok, thanks.
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2017-11-11 11:10:09	Tehnix	Ahh, did not see that I lost connection to IRC -.-
2017-11-11 11:10:50	Tehnix	A couple of days ago I asked if there was a way to either restart the HIE LSP via a command or (less aggressive) detect changes in .cabal files (like new packages) and then reload that specifically?
2017-11-11 11:11:02	Tehnix	Perhaps it's actually more of a ghc-mod thing?
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2017-11-11 15:06:08	alanz	Tehnix: ghc-mod is supposed to do that automatically
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2017-11-11 20:12:48	--	Notice(GitHub88): [haskell-ide-engine] ThomWright opened pull request #349: Add doc for gen. global hoogle db with stack (master...hoogle-doc) https://git.io/vFVFz
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2017-11-12 01:51:24	alanz	Up to 650 stars on github
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2017-11-13 19:33:02	alanz	Tehnix: 0.0.5 on the market now
2017-11-13 19:33:56	alanz	or rather uploaded, my vscode has not seen it yet
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2017-11-13 20:12:04	zipper	hmmm alanz did you stop using spacemacs?
2017-11-13 20:12:43	alanz	nope
2017-11-13 20:12:46	alanz	why?
2017-11-13 20:13:06	alanz	Just supporting vscode for hie, as the origin point/reference for LSP
2017-11-13 20:13:22	zipper	Oh :) because you were talking about your vs code
2017-11-13 20:13:35	alanz	I use spacemacs and https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell
2017-11-13 20:13:52	alanz	which I am beating into shape, when I get time from my GHC slog
2017-11-13 20:16:27	zipper	Let me look at that. Never heard of it
2017-11-13 20:16:56	zipper	I maintain an editor config for myself and some work friends. Too bad it's buggy as hell.
2017-11-13 20:17:22	zipper	Nice will def try it.
2017-11-13 20:17:35	zipper	I currently use flycheck
2017-11-13 20:18:07	zipper	Oh it's only for vs code nvm
2017-11-13 20:20:16	alanz	zipper: the emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell is for emacs, and provides a flycheck backend
2017-11-13 20:20:28	alanz	and it is not specific to spacemacs
2017-11-13 20:20:37	alanz	It *does* need emacs >= 25
2017-11-13 20:22:22	zipper	I clicked on https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol saw it was from MSFT and made assumptions
2017-11-13 20:22:53	zipper	Will def try it out
2017-11-13 20:28:01	alanz	great, let me know how it goes
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2017-11-14 01:19:52	duog	hi alanz: Do you use lsp-haskell while working on ghc?
2017-11-14 01:20:03	alanz	no
2017-11-14 01:20:17	alanz	And basically because I have never tried
2017-11-14 01:20:40	alanz	And basic haskell mode (in emacs) sometimes cant cope, so I have to turn off all sorts of styy
2017-11-14 01:20:42	alanz	stuff
2017-11-14 01:20:47	duog	Yes, me too
2017-11-14 01:20:58	alanz	even go to fundamental mode sometimes. Eg. editing HsExpr.hs
2017-11-14 01:21:09	duog	and DynFlags.hs I bet
2017-11-14 01:21:21	nh2[m]	I'd imagine hie wouldn't work well on a project like ghc that builds with make and doesn't even use Cabal?
2017-11-14 01:21:23	alanz	but it holds up in Parser.y now, I think gracjan did is especially for me after I complained
2017-11-14 01:21:41	alanz	nh2[m]: thats another reason I don't try it
2017-11-14 01:21:42	duog	ghc does have a cabal file
2017-11-14 01:22:02	alanz	So its a bit frustrating for me now, working on GHC, not able to dogfood hie at the same time
2017-11-14 01:22:08	duog	yes I bet
2017-11-14 01:22:18	alanz	someone was talking about loading ghc stuff into cabal
2017-11-14 01:22:36	alanz	I mean ghci
2017-11-14 01:22:53	alanz	by invoking the inplace compiler with --interactive, or something
2017-11-14 01:22:55	nh2[m]	duog: can you actually build that cabal file with e.g. cabal?
2017-11-14 01:23:12	duog	I don't know
2017-11-14 01:25:52	duog	nh2[m], alanz: There is a comment next to retypecheckLoop in GhcMake that claims ghc can build itself with --make
2017-11-14 01:26:13	nh2[m]	that would be cool
2017-11-14 01:26:53	duog	If that is still true, then perhaps using hie would be possible
2017-11-14 01:27:00	alanz	maybe.
2017-11-14 01:27:07	alanz	Low on my priority list though
2017-11-14 01:27:23	alanz	Happy to accept PRs ")
2017-11-14 01:27:24	duog	I will try to have a look
2017-11-14 01:27:25	alanz	:)
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2017-11-14 14:21:26	Tehnix	Hmm, I often find myself adding a package to .cabal and ghc-mod not picking it up in the editor at least :confused: A bit unsure how I should approach debugging this
2017-11-14 14:22:20	Tehnix	hie --lsp sets up a ghc-mod process right? Not just constantly calling the ghc-mod commands?
2017-11-14 14:25:42	Tehnix	Perhaps it's a matter on VSCode caching the error or something?
2017-11-14 14:26:47	Tehnix	A "Reload Window" fixes it, but that also reloads hie
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2017-11-14 18:31:42	alanz	Tehnix: ghc-mod is supposed to be watching the cabal file for changes, if it does not see it there is a problem.
2017-11-14 18:31:56	alanz	Or, it could be hie not reloading the file properly.
2017-11-14 18:32:31	alanz	I guess we actually need to set up proper functional tests for hie that make these changes, so we can observe in a controlled way what is happening
2017-11-14 18:32:49	alanz	And then keep on confirming that the desired behaviour still happens
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2017-11-14 19:17:18	--	Notice(GitHub99): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #316: Haddock docs (master...haddock-docs) https://git.io/v5ohP
2017-11-14 19:17:52	--	Notice(GitHub177): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #349: Add doc for gen. global hoogle db with stack (master...hoogle-doc) https://git.io/vFVFz
2017-11-14 19:17:53	--	Notice(GitHub54): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vF6DK
2017-11-14 19:17:53	--	Notice(GitHub54): haskell-ide-engine/master e7bd63d Thom Wright: Add doc for gen. global hoogle db with stack
2017-11-14 19:17:53	--	Notice(GitHub54): haskell-ide-engine/master 2c44ab0 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #349 from ThomWright/hoogle-doc...
2017-11-14 19:19:29	Tehnix	I have it working with e.g. ghc-modi directly, but not working as intended in VSCode though :confused: I'll see if I can dig deeper into it
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2017-11-15 17:40:06	romildo	Is the Haskell Language Server extension for vscode (vscode-hie-server) usable for simple ghc projects development?
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2017-11-16 13:26:50	Tehnix	romildo: sure :slightly_smiling_face: I use it daily
2017-11-16 13:27:07	Tehnix	Anything ghc-mod can handle, hie should handle and then some
2017-11-16 13:40:33	alanz	Tehnix: I think romildo disappeared
2017-11-16 13:40:48	alanz	I was going to answer yesterday, but saw they had left
2017-11-16 13:41:07	alanz	Good to answer in general, I guess
2017-11-16 13:41:18	alanz	Should possibly go into the readme
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2017-11-16 16:37:33	--	Notice(GitHub187): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #351: Cleanup wall (master...cleanup-wall) https://git.io/vFMuH
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2017-11-16 17:36:43	Tehnix	Ah, I've removed JOINS/QUITS because it usually clutters my chat too much :confused:
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2017-11-16 17:37:48	alanz	np
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2017-11-16 17:38:25	alanz	for me tab completion of names only works if they are online, too. Which is useful
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2017-11-16 18:46:33	--	Notice(GitHub125): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #351: Cleanup wall (master...cleanup-wall) https://git.io/vFMuH
2017-11-16 18:46:35	--	Notice(GitHub98): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vFMDD
2017-11-16 18:46:35	--	Notice(GitHub98): haskell-ide-engine/master 286e985 Alan Zimmerman: Add some extra logging
2017-11-16 18:46:35	--	Notice(GitHub98): haskell-ide-engine/master d8a5525 Alan Zimmerman: Clean up warnings
2017-11-16 18:46:35	--	Notice(GitHub98): haskell-ide-engine/master 9e39517 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #351 from alanz/cleanup-wall...
2017-11-16 18:47:13	--	Notice(GitHub5): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #352: Use Windows-friendly cabal-helper (master...cabal-helper-windows) https://git.io/vFMDH
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2017-11-18 18:15:22	mrkgnao	hi, everyone! I just got hie working in VSCode (which I don't normally use, but I understand it has the best LSP integration of anything right now, so...)
2017-11-18 18:16:25	mrkgnao	the problem is I don't seem to be getting Haddocks on hover. I'd be happy to debug this myself, but I don't know how to turn on, e.g. verbose error logging.
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2017-11-18 18:19:20	mrkgnao	I'm using non-sandboxed Cabal inside a Nix shell (and I also started Code from inside the shell), and I followed the instructions given to generate a Hoogle DB. 
2017-11-18 18:19:31	mrkgnao	I just get a persistent "Loading..." on hover.
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2017-11-18 18:27:10	alanz	mrkgnao: nix is not well understood/well supported in hie
2017-11-18 18:27:18	alanz	mainly because the devs do not use it
2017-11-18 18:27:59	mrkgnao	how do I get a log of some kind?
2017-11-18 18:28:15	alanz	The best approach would be to run it in the "normal" way, via stack install, and get an understanding of what to expect
2017-11-18 18:28:29	alanz	It should generate a log in /tmp/hie.lof
2017-11-18 18:28:34	alanz	/tmp/hie.log
2017-11-18 18:29:14	mrkgnao	hmm, I don't seem to have that :(
2017-11-18 18:29:14	alanz	And if you locate hie-vscode.sh (part of the plugin) you will see alternate ways of launching hie with more logging
2017-11-18 18:29:21	mrkgnao	okay, cool!
2017-11-18 18:29:32	mrkgnao	(hlint seems to be working, though)
2017-11-18 18:29:40	alanz	Just make sure you actually have a hie instance running, too
2017-11-18 18:29:49	alanz	ok, thats a good sign
2017-11-18 18:30:29	alanz	also, hie uses ghc-mod under the hood, someone else was talking about problems like this here recently too, so be sure to check out the #ghc-mod channel on freenode
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2017-11-18 19:28:52	mrkgnao	alanz: I just wrote a little wrapper for the real `hie` executable that adds the -d -l switches. thanks for the pointer!
2017-11-18 19:30:14	alanz	ok, that is what the hie-vscode.sh file is :)
2017-11-18 19:30:40	alanz	And at some point I want to expose those flags as settings in LSP protocol
2017-11-18 19:30:59	alanz	So you can potentially change them from the client, as you go along
2017-11-18 20:32:53	mrkgnao	alanz: I'm using a Stack project now, but things don't work properly even now:
2017-11-18 20:33:27	mrkgnao	hoogle is still stuck on "Loading...", hlint tooltips remain even after you fix them, and auto-fix does not work.
2017-11-18 20:33:47	mrkgnao	can I help somehow?
2017-11-18 20:46:01	alanz	mrkgnao: can you start hie with "hie --lsp -d -l /tmp/hie.log --vomit"
2017-11-18 20:49:07	mrkgnao	alanz: missed your message, sorry. just a second.
2017-11-18 20:49:22	alanz	and can you do "stack build" in the project dir, successfully
2017-11-18 20:49:34	alanz	mrkgnao: can you start hie with "hie --lsp -d -l /tmp/hie.log --vomit"
2017-11-18 20:50:43	mrkgnao	yes, stack build works
2017-11-18 20:51:33	mrkgnao	and I've changed my hie wrapper to "real-hie -d -l /tmp/hie.log --vomit $@ | tee /tmp/hie-wire.log". should I put the logs up somewhere?
2017-11-18 20:52:17	alanz	are you running it in vscode?
2017-11-18 20:52:31	alanz	because the vomit will put stuff into the output panel
2017-11-18 20:52:39	alanz	from ghc-mod
2017-11-18 20:53:12	alanz	mrkgnao: you can put the logs up, if you like
2017-11-18 20:54:21	mrkgnao	"real-hie: <command line>: cannot satisfy -package-id base-4.10.0.0"
2017-11-18 20:54:40	mrkgnao	okay, that's bad. I think this is some kind of interaction with Nix.
2017-11-18 20:54:45	alanz	and you are in nix?
2017-11-18 20:54:54	alanz	yes, because hie works for other stuff
2017-11-18 20:55:05	mrkgnao	I'm on NixOS, but I was not using a Nix shell for this.
2017-11-18 20:55:22	alanz	ok.
2017-11-18 20:55:39	mrkgnao	I did use nix-build to generate the hie executable though. 
2017-11-18 20:55:44	alanz	I know ghc-mod passes the libraries through explicitly, may need something special for nixos
2017-11-18 20:55:57	mrkgnao	(I used the instructions at https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/31697#issuecomment-344988902)
2017-11-18 20:56:14	alanz	But this is a complex environment. Layer upon layer.
2017-11-18 20:56:50	alanz	Nice to see that thread
2017-11-18 20:58:35	mrkgnao	complex, indeed :)
2017-11-18 20:59:21	alanz	I just made a cross-reference issue https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/357
2017-11-18 21:13:43	alanz	mrkgnao: "/home/mrkgnao/code/sans/sound-and-complete/src/Main.md" is a markdown file?
2017-11-18 21:17:37	mrkgnao	it's working in my Stack project now, I think. I started the console mode and saw that it said dist/setup-config was found, so it was not treating it as a Stack project
2017-11-18 21:17:46	mrkgnao	yay
2017-11-18 21:18:14	alanz	great
2017-11-18 21:18:14	mrkgnao	I deleted the dist/ folder and it works. I forgot that this makes ghc-mod give up (it's been a while!)
2017-11-18 21:20:51	alanz	ah, yes. Need to add that to a FAQ or something
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2017-11-18 21:21:13	mrkgnao	now to troubleshoot the Nix setup, which is the one I use most of the time
2017-11-18 21:21:25	mrkgnao	I'm guessing it has to do with GHC, since that project uses 8.2.1
2017-11-18 21:21:51	mrkgnao	does hie work on 8.2.1 yet?
2017-11-18 21:22:10	alanz	yes, if you build it with stack-8.2.1.yaml
2017-11-18 21:22:19	alanz	which you can model in nix, I am sure
2017-11-18 21:22:58	mrkgnao	do you think this is the problem causing the base-4.10 error?
2017-11-18 21:24:51	alanz	probably
2017-11-18 21:25:03	alanz	if it is a ghc-8.2.1 project
2017-11-18 22:07:30	mrkgnao	alanz: to answer the question from before, yes, Main.md is a markdown file. literate Haskell using markdown-unlit.
2017-11-18 22:08:04	alanz	hmm. Not sure if that works in hie, tbh
2017-11-18 22:08:54	alanz	can you maybe make a PR against the project with a test project that does this? As a subdirectory here: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/tree/master/test/testdata
2017-11-18 22:09:52	mrkgnao	alanz: it's not a really important thing for me at present, so I changed it back into a plain .hs file.
2017-11-18 22:10:32	mrkgnao	I recompiled hie using stack (with the 8.2.1 stack.yaml) and am trying to get it working in the Nix+Cabal project. It's complaining about the version of mtl now. :(
2017-11-18 22:15:57	wz1000	mrkgnao: I don't think ghc-mod supports nix+cabal packages
2017-11-18 22:16:21	wz1000	I might be wrong though
2017-11-18 22:16:42	wz1000	You might have better luck with sandboxed cabal or stack packages
2017-11-18 22:16:58	wz1000	I'm pretty sure stack --nix doesn't work with HIE yet
2017-11-18 22:20:47	mrkgnao	I think I'll try to make do with Stack for now, then.
2017-11-18 22:21:44	mrkgnao	wz1000: stack --nix works just fine for me. it's the cabal-in-nix-shell that isn't working.
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2017-11-18 22:26:37	alanz	saurabhnanda: "tooling sucks"
2017-11-18 22:26:52	alanz	"but I am prepared to commit resources"
2017-11-18 22:34:41	alanz	oops, misread, sorry
2017-11-18 23:10:38	saurabhnanda	hey
2017-11-18 23:10:41	saurabhnanda	alanz
2017-11-18 23:10:51	saurabhnanda	were you pinging me?
2017-11-18 23:10:53	alanz	hi
2017-11-18 23:10:58	alanz	not really
2017-11-18 23:11:11	alanz	I misread one of your tweets
2017-11-18 23:11:12	saurabhnanda	i got a ping notification via limechat.
2017-11-18 23:11:20	alanz	I did mention you
2017-11-18 23:11:31	saurabhnanda	ah okay... just gave a talk. had a slide for shoutout to HIE btw.
2017-11-18 23:11:31	alanz	in the context of "tooling sucks"
2017-11-18 23:11:37	alanz	nice, thanks
2017-11-18 23:11:43	saurabhnanda	which it does... but we need to make it better.
2017-11-18 23:11:50	alanz	Sounds like a good conference
2017-11-18 23:12:11	alanz	And relatively close to me. Just across the Indian Ocean
2017-11-18 23:12:11	saurabhnanda	yep, it was. not only haskell, but FP in general. couple of really high quality talks.
2017-11-18 23:12:27	alanz	Great to see FP taking off
2017-11-18 23:12:37	saurabhnanda	Next year? Please come and talk about HIE. Should be in an even better shape by then.
2017-11-18 23:12:37	alanz	The sooner OO is history the better.
2017-11-18 23:12:50	alanz	Also this time of the year?
2017-11-18 23:12:54	saurabhnanda	approx.
2017-11-18 23:13:07	alanz	Will have to give it some thought
2017-11-18 23:13:30	alanz	remind me closer to the time
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2017-11-18 23:13:55	saurabhnanda	heh... okay.
2017-11-18 23:14:18	alanz	But you are doing a great job of spreading the world in general too.
2017-11-18 23:14:25	alanz	And great T shirts
2017-11-18 23:14:28	saurabhnanda	btw, anecdotally I've found that :set -fobject-code doesn't cause an acclerated GHCi memory bloat like -fbyte-code does. 
2017-11-18 23:14:47	saurabhnanda	yeah... those t-shirts are causing quite a tweet storm as well.
2017-11-18 23:14:57	saurabhnanda	guess, you can't please all the people all the time ;)
2017-11-18 23:15:01	saurabhnanda	:)
2017-11-18 23:15:16	alanz	ok, good to know. hie (ghc-mod) sets one of those when loading fails, will have to check some time
2017-11-18 23:15:30	alanz	well, all publicity is good
2017-11-18 23:15:38	alanz	click-bait sells
2017-11-18 23:16:25	saurabhnanda	that's the sad truth. but don't really want to this to digress into yet another "toxic conference behaviour" parallel thread. 
2017-11-18 23:16:55	saurabhnanda	just curious, HIE uses GHCi under the hood, right? is it in byte-code or object-code mode?
2017-11-18 23:17:58	alanz	hold on, will check
2017-11-18 23:20:20	alanz	It does this: https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/blob/hie-integration-rebased-split-up-2/core/src/GhcMod/Target.hs#L525
2017-11-18 23:20:40	alanz	which is basically LinkInMemory/HscInterpreted
2017-11-18 23:21:57	alanz	actually it does not use GHCI, but does load a session, similar to what ghci does
2017-11-18 23:22:43	saurabhnanda	as in, not GHCi the binary, but some core component/lib that GHCi also uses?
2017-11-18 23:23:14	saurabhnanda	because HIE memory usage really accelerates for our project.
2017-11-18 23:23:20	saurabhnanda	similar behaviour in gHCi and intero.
2017-11-18 23:26:04	alanz	I think it is the same GHC buf
2017-11-18 23:26:06	alanz	bug
2017-11-18 23:26:20	alanz	And I have a mental note to look into uit
2017-11-18 23:26:22	alanz	it
2017-11-18 23:26:42	alanz	But I am currently stuck in GHC due to the release cycle
2017-11-18 23:27:12	alanz	That said, I think a lot of people are affected, not sure if *anyone* has looked/found anything
2017-11-18 23:27:20	alanz	i.e., it may be a hard problem
2017-11-18 23:39:11	saurabhnanda	but anecdotally, -fobject-code slows the mem usage down.
2017-11-18 23:39:16	saurabhnanda	is there a GHC ticket for this, btw?
2017-11-18 23:44:17	alanz	I have not looked
2017-11-18 23:44:32	alanz	if not, create one
2017-11-18 23:45:23	alanz	https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/14336
2017-11-18 23:45:42	alanz	6 weeks old only
2017-11-18 23:47:38	joncfoo	do the repl/http/tcp interfaces work on the latest master?
2017-11-18 23:49:25	alanz	basically only the lsp interface is tested thoroughly
2017-11-18 23:49:36	alanz	and http has been removed
2017-11-18 23:49:42	alanz	possibly repl too
2017-11-18 23:49:51	saurabhnanda	Yes! I had chewed Neil's head off on Reddit to validate this for me. Seems like it leaks memory for him as well.
2017-11-18 23:50:05	alanz	The plain stdio is only still there because arrowsvc uses it
2017-11-18 23:50:23	alanz	saurabhnanda: I just subscribed to the ticket
2017-11-18 23:50:32	alanz	Hopefully someone picks it up and runs with it
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2017-11-18 23:50:53	alanz	makes a huge difference if you are running a server, such as hie or ghcid
2017-11-18 23:51:06	joncfoo	ah ok - this might sound silly but: is there a way I can play with the lsp interface over cmdline? (I'm not terribly familiar with the LSP protocol)
2017-11-18 23:52:20	alanz	the simple answer is not
2017-11-18 23:52:39	alanz	it uses XMLRPC, which needs a header, giving length of following packet
2017-11-18 23:52:57	alanz	what context do you want to use it in?
2017-11-18 23:53:20	joncfoo	I'd like to implement editor support for TextAdept
2017-11-18 23:53:49	alanz	the best way to understand it is to run something like vscode, with logging enabled in hie
2017-11-18 23:53:58	alanz	then see what flows through
2017-11-18 23:54:20	alanz	Are any other languages supported via LSP in TextAdept?
2017-11-18 23:54:27	joncfoo	not that I know of
2017-11-18 23:54:37	joncfoo	that sounds good - I have VSCode running w/hie working - is there a quick way to turn on debug logging?
2017-11-18 23:56:06	joncfoo	or should I uninstall the extention & deploy from vscode-hie-server source after modifying the launcher?
2017-11-18 23:56:12	alanz	easiest currently is to locate hie-vscode.sh (.bat) and comment in the line with logging
2017-11-18 23:56:43	alanz	so running it from the plugin is fine
2017-11-18 23:56:52	alanz	just need to modify that file.
2017-11-18 23:57:05	joncfoo	ok cool, thanks alanz !
2017-11-18 23:57:06	alanz	We need to change it to set logging via config, not done yet though
2017-11-18 23:57:28	alanz	there are a number of options in that file
2017-11-18 23:57:47	alanz	you will probably not need the one with vomit, that is a ghc-mod flag
2017-11-19 00:04:40	saurabhnanda	alanz: just curious, how many people in core GHC would know how to fix this bug? https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/14336 - how many people would be familiar with this particular part of the code?
2017-11-19 00:16:05	alanz	no idea, to be honest
2017-11-19 00:16:18	alanz	5?
2017-11-19 00:17:24	alanz	And it is more a question of how many would be capable of investigating, and then of that how many have the time/priority/inclination
2017-11-19 00:17:50	alanz	saurabhnanda: maybe this is your chance to find out how GHC works, from the inside :)
2017-11-19 00:18:58	saurabhnanda	I was wondering if publicising this issue and its importance will have any positive impact at all. Or the 5 people who can fix this code, will already know about it, and more eyeballs wont make a difference?
2017-11-19 00:21:56	alanz	Publicising it wont hurt
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2017-11-19 09:19:07	joncfoo	is this uh normal? - http://i.imgur.com/WxAqMw4.png - super high memory usage (were y'all talking about this earlier?)
2017-11-19 09:19:30	joncfoo	btw, I want to say that this project is pretty awesome
2017-11-19 09:20:24	joncfoo	I've never managed to get working type information on hover in any other editor combination
2017-11-19 09:20:29	joncfoo	vscode + hie works quite well
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2017-11-19 14:23:16	wz1000	joncfoo: how big is your codebase?
2017-11-19 14:25:22	alanz	joncfoo: There is also this : https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/14336
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2017-11-19 15:02:38	Tehnix	"I deleted the dist/ folder and it works. I forgot that this makes ghc-mod give up (it's been a while!)" - perhaps it'll be worth having the VSCode extension check if the dist folder exists and then give a warning/notification?
2017-11-19 15:02:51	Tehnix	I should look into that :3
2017-11-19 15:39:58	alanz	Tehnix: excellent idea. And fits into your skill set
2017-11-19 15:40:17	alanz	But it should actually be a hie check, I guess. Then it works for all clients
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2017-11-19 20:12:15	joncfoo	wz1000, its very small - 4 files that are less than 100 lines each
2017-11-19 20:13:47	alanz	joncfoo: over what sort of time does it blow up like that?
2017-11-19 20:15:56	joncfoo	I had vscode open for a few hours (~3 I guess)
2017-11-19 20:16:15	joncfoo	its a stack project fwiw
2017-11-19 20:21:42	alanz	ok, in that case I strongly suspect it is that GHC bug I posted earlier
2017-11-19 20:21:50	alanz	https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/14336
2017-11-19 20:22:28	joncfoo	yes I think its probably related though I am using ghc 8.0.2
2017-11-19 20:23:52	alanz	I am not sure how long that has been an issue.
2017-11-19 20:24:04	alanz	i.e. that it has only now been reported
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2017-11-23 20:42:40	ggVGc	with ghc-mod it's possible to get the type of an expression, rather than just a binding. Is this also possible with hie?
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2017-11-23 23:06:41	alanz	ggVGc: yes
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2017-11-24 01:38:27	ggVGc	:) how?
2017-11-24 02:01:40	alanz	Hmm, good question. 
2017-11-24 02:01:54	alanz	It is build on ghc-mod, so should have it.
2017-11-24 02:02:17	alanz	I think it is in vscode at least. Hold on
2017-11-24 02:03:02	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/commit/74cb8327ba938e49d85610f2d2797d2137fe34bd
2017-11-24 02:03:19	alanz	And I guess I need to add that to the emacs one too
2017-11-24 02:04:16	alanz	ggVGc: ^
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2017-11-24 12:47:02	ggVGc	alanz: thanks, seems to be working. I want to get it implemented in vim also
2017-11-24 12:47:10	ggVGc	will use the vscode plugin as example
2017-11-24 12:47:43	alanz	nice
2017-11-24 12:47:54	alanz	Which plugin/repo are you working on?
2017-11-24 12:48:01	ggVGc	another thing. in the haskell-ide-engine github page it shows getting documentation on hover. I can't seem to get that to work. I've run stack hoohle and stack haddock in the project directory. what else do I need to do?
2017-11-24 12:48:09	ggVGc	I have just started looking at vim-lsp
2017-11-24 12:48:17	alanz	ok, great
2017-11-24 12:48:55	alanz	tbh I am not sure of the state of the documentation. wz1000 put it in, and did some experimental stuff in a branch
2017-11-24 12:49:18	alanz	I merged later, and may have had to disable bits, due to using an unpublished haddock API
2017-11-24 12:49:30	alanz	So I need to wrap my head around it some time
2017-11-24 12:49:49	ggVGc	yep, fair
2017-11-24 12:49:57	ggVGc	I just wanted to know if it was my setup that was broken or not
2017-11-24 12:50:11	alanz	I cant say :)
2017-11-24 12:50:52	ggVGc	do you know if there's anything in lsp for going to the definition of a certain symbol, rather than cursor position?
2017-11-24 12:51:03	ggVGc	I looked at the spec a bit but can't see anything
2017-11-24 12:51:34	alanz	There is a command to get all the symbols, which you could then iterate over
2017-11-24 12:51:57	alanz	It is always best to experiment on vscode, try to see how they do things
2017-11-24 12:52:12	alanz	It gives insight into how the protocol actually gets used
2017-11-24 12:52:31	ggVGc	that only gets the symbols of the current document though, right?
2017-11-24 12:52:36	alanz	yes
2017-11-24 12:52:55	alanz	Are you looking for project-wide symbols? Like using a TAGS file?
2017-11-24 12:53:11	alanz	I actually want to build tags support in, as a fallback. Some time,
2017-11-24 12:54:08	ggVGc	well, if you put the cursor over a symbol and use "go to definition", it works project wide currently. I'm looking for exactly the same thing, but passing a symbol name rather than a cursor position
2017-11-24 12:55:26	alanz	that works because we can consult the AST, and identify *exactly* what symbol it is
2017-11-24 12:55:39	alanz	Having just a name, it can be ambiguous
2017-11-24 12:56:03	ggVGc	hm, that's fair
2017-11-24 12:56:04	alanz	BTW, you should see that vim-lsp gets added to https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/wiki/Tools-supporting-the-Language-Server-Protocol
2017-11-24 12:56:08	ggVGc	didn't think about it that way 
2017-11-24 12:56:16	ggVGc	so yeah, I guess tags would be the only reasonable choice
2017-11-24 12:56:23	ggVGc	and it wouldn't be as preceise
2017-11-24 12:57:19	alanz	unfortunately
2017-11-24 13:00:35	alanz	Seems there are many vim/lsp clients being worked on: https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=vim-lsp&type=
2017-11-24 13:31:59	wz1000	P
2017-11-24 13:35:24	ggVGc	How can I configure the hlint rules used by hie?
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2017-11-24 19:49:37	joncfoo	ggVGc, I like your handle :D
2017-11-24 19:50:00	joncfoo	change all the things!
2017-11-24 20:39:25	alanz	ggVGc: Have a look at hlint on hackage, there is a way of defining them in a yaml file, in the project dir
2017-11-24 20:39:27	alanz	I think
2017-11-24 20:39:46	ggVGc	yeah, but hie ignores it it seems
2017-11-24 20:39:50	alanz	Otherwise use pragmas in the code
2017-11-24 20:40:08	ggVGc	i have a hlint co fig in project root, and if i run hlint it picks it uo
2017-11-24 20:40:22	ggVGc	but hie gives me all warnings anyway
2017-11-24 20:40:39	alanz	ok, maybe make a bug report on hie
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2017-11-24 23:12:44	--	Notice(GitHub139): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #364: Haskell lsp nightly (master...haskell-lsp-nightly) https://git.io/vFpjq
2017-11-24 23:19:36	ggVGc	made a bug report, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/363
2017-11-24 23:19:44	ggVGc	hope it's not just something local to me
2017-11-24 23:20:47	alanz	ggVGc: thanks. I am actually just taking a look at that.
2017-11-24 23:20:59	alanz	Getting tired of putting pragmas in all my files
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2017-11-25 15:40:50	arrowd	alanz: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1ggTVXzqCxcmkV5mKUH_gtl0ADUMvSMmhZlWfx_w7-wU/edit#slide=id.g2ac0ff1aef_0_167
2017-11-25 15:40:56	arrowd	Slides 49-50.
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2017-11-25 20:24:15	alanz	arrowd: yes, I saw it. A great plug for us
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2017-11-26 11:35:25	\u	Does haskell-ide-engine support finding references? It will be very convenient to have the feature implemented on emacs lsp-mode's side https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-mode/issues/194
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2017-11-26 13:57:47	--	Notice(GitHub122): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #364: Haskell lsp nightly (master...haskell-lsp-nightly) https://git.io/vFpjq
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2017-11-26 17:16:15	alanz	ggVGc: Please try https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/hlint-config
2017-11-26 17:16:23	alanz	for the hlint config problem
2017-11-26 18:19:27	ggVGc	alanz: yep seems to work!
2017-11-26 18:19:28	ggVGc	cheers
2017-11-26 18:19:30	ggVGc	thanks
2017-11-26 18:19:38	ggVGc	I hope I can start contributing to HIE soon
2017-11-26 18:19:50	ggVGc	but I've got quite a  lot of other things on my table
2017-11-26 18:22:52	alanz	ggVGc: Thanks for the feedback
2017-11-26 18:23:00	alanz	Look forward to contribution one day
2017-11-26 18:23:13	alanz	And I know all about having lots of things on the list
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2017-11-29 04:35:08	nponeccop	Hi! Are there any easy tasks I could try to do?
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2017-11-29 04:53:42	fresheyeball	hey out there
2017-11-29 04:53:54	fresheyeball	The README.md says some conflicting things
2017-11-29 04:54:04	fresheyeball	it says hie works with plain old cabal projects
2017-11-29 04:54:17	fresheyeball	but the editor section says I need stack
2017-11-29 04:54:25	fresheyeball	how can I make hie work without using stack
2017-11-29 04:54:28	fresheyeball	?
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2017-11-29 05:38:56	wz1000	freeman42x: you need stack to install hie
2017-11-29 05:39:13	wz1000	but it should work with non stack projects once installed
2017-11-29 05:40:19	wz1000	also, I'm pretty sure you can build it on a similar machine and transfer the binary
2017-11-29 05:40:47	wz1000	oh, looks like they left
2017-11-29 05:40:54	wz1000	sorry freeman42x 
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2017-11-29 07:39:36	nponeccop	something like this has already been put into place for the hover request by @alanz, but it could be generalized to work for most requests HIE processes (regarding the faster completion issue)
2017-11-29 07:39:47	nponeccop	Where do I start?
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2017-11-29 12:17:02	alanz	nponeccop: Great to hear you are keen to help.
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2017-11-29 12:17:35	alanz	nponeccop: Do you have access to a windows machine?
2017-11-29 12:24:55	nponeccop	yes
2017-11-29 12:25:50	alanz	Can you take a look at that problem with the path?
2017-11-29 12:26:01	alanz	hold on, let me get a reference
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2017-11-29 12:26:27	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/329
2017-11-29 12:26:40	alanz	And supporting info https://bpaste.net/show/7167cfae47bd
2017-11-29 12:26:49	alanz	https://github.com/autozimu/LanguageClient-neovim/issues/144
2017-11-29 12:29:36	alanz	nponeccop: ^^
2017-11-29 12:31:39	nponeccop	I've been looking at neovim windows support
2017-11-29 12:32:03	nponeccop	I'm impressed that it is even built using msvc compiler
2017-11-29 12:32:32	nponeccop	And I use neovim on Linux so it should be easy for me to set everything up on Win
2017-11-29 12:32:35	alanz	ok, it just shows up in neovim, but the problem is the path coming back with '/' instead of '\'. iirc
2017-11-29 12:32:58	alanz	ok, nice. I feel bad about that one, but I have no way of working on it
2017-11-29 12:33:19	nponeccop	and it should not be hard to fix either
2017-11-29 12:33:33	alanz	hopefully
2017-11-29 12:34:01	alanz	But tracking down where it originates may be tricky. I suspect it might be in ghc-mod, the LoadModule thing
2017-11-29 12:34:09	nponeccop	BTW I'm trying Circle CI 2.0 with fpcomplete Docker image
2017-11-29 12:34:19	alanz	ok
2017-11-29 12:34:38	alanz	our biggest win would be to have 3 parallel builds, like on travis.
2017-11-29 12:34:52	alanz	I'm not sure if their new 2.0 builder thing allows that
2017-11-29 12:35:18	alanz	The other option is to use the gitlab build infrastructure, as used by ghc-mod
2017-11-29 12:35:26	alanz	It seems to work pretty well
2017-11-29 12:35:52	alanz	See https://gitlab.com/dxld/cabal-helper/pipelines/14495746
2017-11-29 12:36:48	nponeccop	Looks like no CI has an up to date Haskell support. In Travis we all use custom scripts instead of language: haskell, and here in CircleCI there are no CircleCI images for Haskell either
2017-11-29 12:36:59	alanz	And dxld has done a good job of generalising it in https://gitlab.com/dxld/cabal-helper/tree/dev/ghc-session-test/scripts/ci
2017-11-29 12:37:32	alanz	gitlab has a docker registry built-in.
2017-11-29 12:37:55	alanz	btw, the tests run against stack, and can be cached. So a specific docker image is not that critical
2017-11-29 12:38:15	alanz	and we should perhaps consider appveyor for windows support
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2017-11-29 12:40:34	nponeccop	yep, appveyor is pretty the only free solution for windows available, afaik stack itself uses it
2017-11-29 12:42:19	alanz	And I have no idea of mac testing
2017-11-29 12:42:25	alanz	bar private server
2017-11-29 12:42:50	nponeccop	They have it, but I don't know if it's free or not
2017-11-29 12:43:30	alanz	ok, but we have very few bug reports from it, so linux and windows seem to be the main ones
2017-11-29 12:43:44	alanz	I think macos is close enough to linux
2017-11-29 12:43:49	alanz	for hie
2017-11-29 12:52:21	nponeccop	Also MS has an implementation of linux syscalls these days. Up to the point that it has a mini-ubuntu with unchanged ubuntu repos/binaries. I checked last year and it was complete enough to run GHC, so I can try to build there too.
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2017-11-29 13:07:54	alanz	nponeccop: good, but not yet generally deployed, I understand
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2017-11-29 15:39:21	wz1000	alanz: btw, were the hiw video recordings ever released?
2017-11-29 15:46:11	alanz	wz1000: I live in hope. The main conf ones just went up, presumably they concentrated on those first
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2017-11-30 05:20:09	Tehnix	Is there any reason we are not using Travis? They also have support for macOS builds
2017-11-30 05:21:05	Tehnix	(not that I'm pushing for it, but if it was broken somehow, it might be fixable?)
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2017-11-30 06:34:16	wz1000	Tehnix: alanz had some issues with it
2017-11-30 06:36:55	wz1000	nponeccop: if you want to work on core functionality, completion needs a overhaul, as I mentioned on Github. I have a pretty good idea about what needs to be done, so I can guide you through it.
2017-11-30 06:39:05	wz1000	Tehnix: iirc, timeout was the main problem. The build/tests took too long
2017-11-30 06:39:47	wz1000	nponeccop: also the tests need to be expanded a lot
2017-11-30 06:40:54	wz1000	Tehnix: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/221
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2017-12-01 11:25:54	jchia	Hi, I just stack built hie with a slightly-modified stack.yaml, changing nightly-2017-11-25 to nightly-2017-11-27. Then I installed the VSCode plugin. I don't seem to be getting the expected features in my project. My project is nightly-2017-11-27. Is it still true that the VSCode plugin works only with GHC 8.0.2 projects, as described on https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=alanz.vscode-hie-server ?
2017-12-01 11:45:48	alanz	jchia: Did you build with the stack-8.2.2.yaml?
2017-12-01 11:45:50	jchia	OK, somehow when I had the "Haskell Syntax Highlighting" extension disabled, the hie plugin didn't work. After I turned on the "Haskell Syntax Highlighting" extension enabled, the hie plugin started working. Seems like a bug.
2017-12-01 11:46:27	jchia	alanz: I copied stack-8.2.2.yaml to stack.yaml, changed resolver in stack.yaml to nightly-2017-11-27, and added a line "allow-newer: true".
2017-12-01 11:46:38	alanz	I know I tested in early days with the syntax plugin off, and it worked. Just not with highlighting
2017-12-01 11:47:05	alanz	did it not build without allow-newer?
2017-12-01 11:47:35	jchia	I don't know what happened. While highlighting was off, I got no error reports about my code. Right after I turned it on, I got error reports. Let me prod around a bit more.
2017-12-01 11:47:44	alanz	ok
2017-12-01 11:48:13	alanz	the hie vscode plugin depends on the syntax highlighting as a convenience, does not use anything from it
2017-12-01 11:49:04	jchia	alanz: Without the allow-newer, there was a problem with unix-compat because of https://gitlab.com/dxld/cabal-helper
2017-12-01 11:50:10	alanz	ok. 
2017-12-01 11:50:21	jchia	alanz: Probably a vscode bug. Now that I have both "highlighting" and "hie" plugins enabled, vscode won't let me disable "highlighting", complaining that "hie" depends on it.
2017-12-01 11:50:25	alanz	Let me do an update this side too, into my dev branch
2017-12-01 11:50:39	alanz	I have just updated cabal-helper for cabal 2.0 too
2017-12-01 11:50:50	jchia	If there is such a dependency, vscode shouldn't have let me enable "hie" alone
2017-12-01 11:51:11	alanz	hie has a dependency on highlighting
2017-12-01 11:51:23	alanz	But the code in the hie vscode extension does not need it
2017-12-01 11:51:30	alanz	or make use of it
2017-12-01 11:51:31	jchia	alanz: Yeah, that's why I think it's vscode's problem to let me enabled "hie" alone.
2017-12-01 11:51:50	alanz	Are you using a current version of vscode?
2017-12-01 11:52:23	jchia	1.18.0
2017-12-01 11:52:41	alanz	BTW, if you locate hie-vscode.sh (under the installed vscode plugins) you can edit it to enable logging, which will end up in /tmp/hie.log
2017-12-01 11:52:44	alanz	On linux
2017-12-01 11:52:48	jchia	Yes
2017-12-01 11:53:09	alanz	1.18 should be fine
2017-12-01 11:53:27	alanz	I am on 1.18.1, but I think the difference is minor
2017-12-01 11:54:15	alanz	I can see that an ability to choose a hie exe based on the project compiler is going to be a thing, real soon now
2017-12-01 11:54:36	jchia	Anyway, problems solved. Looks quite good so far, with fast and helpful tooltips, error messages, autocompletion. Thanks for making this.
2017-12-01 11:54:56	alanz	A pleasure. Still work in progress, but getting usable
2017-12-01 11:55:22	jchia	I'm using hie with a nightly-2017-11-27 project, i.e. GHC-8.2.2, and haven't seen a problem. Is the "Known Issues" on https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=alanz.vscode-hie-server outdated?
2017-12-01 11:55:39	alanz	yes
2017-12-01 11:56:18	alanz	but the "out of the box" experience is 8.0.2
2017-12-01 11:56:27	alanz	And auto-swapping is not a thing yet
2017-12-01 11:56:38	jchia	What does "out of the box" mean? Are there more features?
2017-12-01 11:56:39	alanz	So I will leave that sleeping dog for a little longer
2017-12-01 11:57:01	alanz	I mean "git clone hie; stack install" builds the 8.0.2 version
2017-12-01 11:57:20	alanz	And giving instructions for multiple ones then needs some way to switch between them
2017-12-01 11:57:37	alanz	I guess you could have a project setting to simply select one. KISS>
2017-12-01 11:57:41	alanz	.
2017-12-01 11:58:04	jchia	OK. Is it the case that if I build hie with ghc-8.0.2, I can't use it on a 8.2.2 project and vice versa?
2017-12-01 11:58:18	alanz	no.
2017-12-01 11:58:46	alanz	But I think the way to do it is to name them hie-8.0.2 and hie-8.2.2, then update the hie-vscode.sh script
2017-12-01 11:59:08	alanz	And then the client needs to be modified to do that as a setting.
2017-12-01 11:59:27	alanz	I guess I should make a "help-wanted" issue
2017-12-01 12:09:24	alanz	Any typescript/vscode boffins: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/issues/31
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2017-12-01 12:14:28	jchia	I installed global DB with "stack exec hoogle generate" but the vscode HIE still doesn't show documentation tooltip when I hover over putStrLn. It only shows the type and the package and module it comes from.
2017-12-01 12:17:59	alanz	Ok, I still need to get my brain around that stuff. wz1000 put it in, but there was an experimental branch, and a merge/rebase and I am not sure if I lost it
2017-12-01 12:18:13	alanz	And I am not 100% sure how it works.
2017-12-01 12:18:23	jchia	OK
2017-12-01 12:18:48	jchia	Is that mainly a frontend or backend thing?
2017-12-01 12:18:55	alanz	backend
2017-12-01 12:19:00	alanz	in hie, the exe
2017-12-01 12:19:28	alanz	The experimental thing was using a new haddock API. or new hoogle API, I forget which
2017-12-01 12:20:08	alanz	And I am not sure how stable it is, or whether it is available. I know it worked with the one version of GHC and not the other, so got disabled in the interim
2017-12-01 12:20:21	alanz	Or something like that.
2017-12-01 12:20:35	alanz	ping @wz1000 
2017-12-01 12:22:23	alanz	jchia: btw, the important thing is to match the GHC version, not necessarily the nightly
2017-12-01 12:27:53	jchia	alanz: Do you mean matching hie GHC version and project GHC version?
2017-12-01 12:29:15	alanz	yes
2017-12-01 12:29:30	alanz	but any stack resolver matching that will be fine
2017-12-01 12:29:41	alanz	it is about GHC and the GHC API
2017-12-01 12:30:00	alanz	and being able to load the project libraries
2017-12-01 12:30:16	jchia	OK
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2017-12-02 19:52:05	ggVGc	does HIE do refactoring like ghc-mod yet?
2017-12-02 19:52:19	ggVGc	e.g moving some code into its own function?
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2017-12-02 20:13:17	alanz	ggVGc: yes, exposed via HaRe
2017-12-02 20:13:34	alanz	I am not sure what ghc-mod function you are referring to though
2017-12-02 20:20:06	ggVGc	just something I used a long time ago, maybe ghc-mod has dropped it since then. How do I trigger it from vscode?
2017-12-02 20:22:07	ggVGc	or maybe it's not implemented in the vscode plugin yet?
2017-12-02 20:24:20	alanz	Look in the command palette, under Haskell
2017-12-02 20:24:39	ggVGc	yeah I did, but I can't find it. Maybe I'm running an old version somehow
2017-12-02 20:25:17	alanz	current is 0.0.5
2017-12-02 20:25:21	alanz	let me check ...
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2017-12-02 20:33:30	alanz	ggVGc: I have them in the Command Palette. "Haskell : xxx" for various xxx
2017-12-02 20:40:14	ggVGc	hm, alright
2017-12-02 20:40:19	ggVGc	something strange going on for me then
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2017-12-02 20:48:12	ggVGc	alanz: is there something special regarding textDocument/references? It seems to be working fine from vscode, but fom the vim and neovim plugins, it doesn't seem to work, and with vim-lsp it seems 'referencesProvider' from the LSP protocol is false
2017-12-02 20:48:17	ggVGc	does vscode do something special?
2017-12-02 20:48:48	alanz	I would have to dig into it.
2017-12-02 20:49:14	alanz	There is a negotiation process at startup, about what capabilities are exposed
2017-12-02 20:49:17	ggVGc	yeah, no worries. I was just curious
2017-12-02 20:49:31	ggVGc	ah, I gues that's what's missing then
2017-12-02 20:49:37	ggVGc	I will read up some more on the protocol
2017-12-02 20:50:17	alanz	your simplest would be to compare the initial hie logs when starting up with vscode with those when starting up with the vim plugins
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2017-12-02 20:50:43	alanz	and you will see the negotiation happening, and what the differences are
2017-12-02 20:50:50	ggVGc	cool
2017-12-02 20:51:00	ggVGc	thanks
2017-12-02 20:51:55	alanz	My general modus operandi is to see what vscode is doing, then try to repeat that in my client. emacs in my case
2017-12-02 20:55:50	ggVGc	are there plans for making Rename act globally?
2017-12-02 20:55:58	ggVGc	I mean, project-wide
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2017-12-02 21:07:34	alanz	ggVGc: it should, at the moment, as it calls the HaRe rename
2017-12-02 21:07:57	alanz	but there are some wrinkles around things like sub-projects
2017-12-02 21:08:36	alanz	and how the dependencies are set up in the cabal file. e.g. if an exe target uses the lib as a dep, the renaming wont go into it
2017-12-02 21:08:50	ggVGc	ah yeah, that's my issue then
2017-12-02 21:24:03	alanz	I have taken to putting a dev flag into my cabal file, to sort this out
2017-12-02 21:24:25	alanz	But I think the better solution is to get ghc-mod/cabal-helper to do that automatically
2017-12-02 21:24:47	alanz	Which seems to be the case for the cabal 2.0 version, being worked on atm
2017-12-02 21:25:18	alanz	it explicitly recognises internal libs, and recursively adds them to the deps for the target
2017-12-02 21:32:07	ggVGc	put a dev flag how?
2017-12-02 21:41:40	alanz	ggVGc: see https://github.com/alanz/ghc-exactprint/blob/master/ghc-exactprint.cabal#L109
2017-12-02 21:42:15	alanz	its a hack though, should not be necessary
2017-12-02 21:44:58	ggVGc	alanz: do you do anything more, or does just having the flag there trick hare into going into those directories?
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2017-12-02 21:46:00	alanz	HaRe looks at the module graph, for local files. By setting that flag, the library is not used, instead the local source is
2017-12-02 21:46:24	alanz	It *does* mean that everything in the lib builds at least twice
2017-12-02 21:47:06	ggVGc	so you set it in the arguments to hie?
2017-12-02 21:47:35	alanz	no, you do     "cabal config -fdev --enable-tests"
2017-12-02 21:47:49	alanz	and whatever the equivalent is via stack
2017-12-02 21:48:13	ggVGc	hm, okay
2017-12-02 21:48:15	alanz	or just default it to true in the cabal file while developing
2017-12-02 21:48:32	alanz	As I said, it is a hack
2017-12-02 21:48:36	ggVGc	yep
2017-12-02 21:48:48	ggVGc	I might just wait until it's fixed, if people are working onit
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2017-12-03 02:09:03	ggVGc	alanz: when I run your "hlint-config" branch, I get warnings from ghc-mod. is that something you just haven't merged yet for the main repo?
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2017-12-03 14:34:56	alanz	ggVGc: I am not sure, things are moving. But that branch is quite old, and has been merged into current master. See https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/network
2017-12-03 14:35:21	alanz	Or with branch labels, https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/network
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2017-12-03 22:49:54	wz1000	alanz: the haddock stuff needs stack 1.6.1(not yet released) or the 1.6.0 prereleases to build
2017-12-03 22:50:04	wz1000	because haddock-api needs Cabal 2.0
2017-12-03 22:50:18	alanz	ok
2017-12-03 22:50:18	wz1000	(for ghc 8.2 that is)
2017-12-03 22:50:39	alanz	It is in pre-release, so that is a good thing
2017-12-03 22:51:17	alanz	I am already visualising the issues being raised about it not working, using older stack.
2017-12-03 22:52:00	alanz	But I am currently working on completing the Cabal 2.0/GHC 8.2.2 support in cabal-helper
2017-12-03 22:52:16	wz1000	we can merge it into master once stack is released
2017-12-03 22:52:32	alanz	great
2017-12-03 22:52:47	alanz	I was glad to see activity on your fork earlier today.
2017-12-03 22:53:54	wz1000	according to this it should be a week: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/haskell-stack/jtd5JnOBXn0/NDl26D1TEwAJ
2017-12-03 22:54:15	wz1000	yeah, my vacations started yesterday
2017-12-03 22:59:02	alanz	good to hear. I was beginning to worry we had lost you to your studies. Good to prioritise that way though.
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2017-12-04 00:34:40	domenkozar	anyone using hie with atom?
2017-12-04 00:35:10	domenkozar	Tehnix: around by any chance?
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2017-12-04 01:23:02	alanz	domenkozar: I believe the atom support is fairly rudimentary
2017-12-04 01:23:09	alanz	Or was a few months ago
2017-12-04 01:33:30	domenkozar	I'm fine with that, but cant get it to work
2017-12-04 01:44:35	alanz	what happens?
2017-12-04 01:44:50	alanz	Does it actually start hie?
2017-12-04 01:45:04	alanz	are you doing this under nix?
2017-12-04 01:45:10	alanz	domenkozar: ^^
2017-12-04 02:00:49	domenkozar	alanz: it starts hie
2017-12-04 02:01:05	domenkozar	but editor shows no support
2017-12-04 02:01:13	domenkozar	built with stack+nix
2017-12-04 02:01:23	alanz	ok, if you can get it to start with a log, then post the log, it will help.
2017-12-04 02:02:00	alanz	hie --lsp -d -l /tmp/hie.log
2017-12-04 02:10:53	domenkozar	sec
2017-12-04 02:14:48	domenkozar	it doesnt start anymore
2017-12-04 02:19:38	alanz	I chased it away. Made it shy
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2017-12-04 02:30:54	domenkozar	alanz: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/a3JzTsxiZ0bUL7r9swa4/
2017-12-04 02:31:06	alanz	me looking
2017-12-04 02:31:27	domenkozar	maybe I just don't know how to use atom
2017-12-04 02:31:43	domenkozar	I assume highlighting a type should show something
2017-12-04 02:32:06	domenkozar	or on hover
2017-12-04 02:32:14	alanz	That looks fine in the log
2017-12-04 02:32:31	alanz	What hover should do is display the type info somewhere
2017-12-04 02:32:57	alanz	I generally experiment in vscode to see what to expect, then try in another environment
2017-12-04 02:33:22	alanz	But I am sure that the original lsp support in atom was just a proof-of-concept / experiment
2017-12-04 02:33:47	alanz	So a lot of the features are likely not to work, unless someone has done more with it in the meantime
2017-12-04 02:34:39	domenkozar	there are no errors from JS
2017-12-04 02:35:33	alanz	It may be that there are no errors, but the result is just not presented. I don't know enough about atom or its LSP client
2017-12-04 02:36:10	alanz	But what I can say is that it looks like it is starting up hie, and hie is doing what it should
2017-12-04 02:36:42	alanz	except there are no responses.
2017-12-04 02:37:00	domenkozar	as expected?
2017-12-04 02:37:03	alanz	Does the project build locally? outside of atom
2017-12-04 02:37:09	alanz	no, not as expected
2017-12-04 02:37:23	alanz	what kind of a project is it?
2017-12-04 02:38:07	alanz	Ok, line 22 is the problem
2017-12-04 02:38:36	alanz	We do not process didChangeWatchedFile
2017-12-04 02:39:21	alanz	And I am pretty sure the server is supposed to opt-in to that
2017-12-04 02:39:42	alanz	Can you make a bug report on hie, including that log up to line 22?
2017-12-04 02:41:38	domenkozar	sure!
2017-12-04 02:42:46	alanz	Its a simple matter to plumb the message through to be ignored. Provided it exists in haskell-lsp. I think that one is quite new
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2017-12-04 02:45:28	domenkozar	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/381
2017-12-04 02:45:41	domenkozar	alanz: thanks for all the work
2017-12-04 02:45:56	alanz	sure. Scratching my own itches :)
2017-12-04 02:46:00	Unode	Hi all, I'm trying to use hie. I've had some success in the near past but currently it seems like the server simply hangs or doesn't bind to any interface. Tried passing the --http flag but I don't see any port or message regarding binding (lsof and netstat don't show anything either).
2017-12-04 02:46:09	Unode	Is there any way to debug this further?
2017-12-04 02:46:23	alanz	Unode: it pretty much only supports --lsp now
2017-12-04 02:46:51	alanz	We narrowed the focus, because the language-server protocol is taking off
2017-12-04 02:47:14	domenkozar	alanz: how does hie inspect the project
2017-12-04 02:47:18	domenkozar	via stack?
2017-12-04 02:47:21	Unode	alanz: when starting it from neovim it seems to start but I no function seems to do anything.
2017-12-04 02:47:31	Unode	Installed with 'stack install --nix'
2017-12-04 02:47:38	Unode	(on a non-nixos system).
2017-12-04 02:47:43	alanz	domenkozar: it uses cabal-helper/ghc-mod underneath
2017-12-04 02:48:14	alanz	Unode: nix style builds are not currently supported
2017-12-04 02:48:30	Unode	hum...
2017-12-04 02:48:35	alanz	I dont thinl
2017-12-04 02:48:40	alanz	think
2017-12-04 02:49:16	alanz	Unode: if you can, start hie with logging enabled, and post a log
2017-12-04 02:49:46	alanz	and, you need to match the GHC version you compile hie with to the one used by your project
2017-12-04 02:50:08	Unode	alanz: I tried to run it manually but all I get is: http://dpaste.com/1QNPEA3 and it just sits there.
2017-12-04 02:50:19	Unode	currently trying to build without nix and seeing if this changes.
2017-12-04 02:50:28	Unode	Building with nix worked fine though...
2017-12-04 02:50:48	alanz	Unode: that is hie starting up, but not receiving the inital message from the cline
2017-12-04 02:50:50	alanz	client
2017-12-04 02:51:10	alanz	It should look more like https://paste.pound-python.org/show/a3JzTsxiZ0bUL7r9swa4/
2017-12-04 02:51:24	alanz	The first part anyway, that one goes bad from line 22 on
2017-12-04 02:51:27	Unode	ok let me try from nvim then
2017-12-04 02:52:53	Unode	nothing. Seems like neovim's plugin isn't even telling it to change to the correct folder.
2017-12-04 02:53:12	Unode	I could swear this was working before though :\
2017-12-04 02:53:31	alanz	Unode: that log file indicates that your client is starting hie, but not talking to it
2017-12-04 02:54:47	Unode	the new logfile stops at: http://dpaste.com/22XNFKS
2017-12-04 02:55:03	Unode	new = started from neovim with logging and --lsp
2017-12-04 02:55:19	domenkozar	pass -d
2017-12-04 02:55:32	domenkozar	it should say it's starting
2017-12-04 02:55:35	Unode	will do
2017-12-04 02:56:04	Unode	ok now I see some output
2017-12-04 02:57:04	Unode	http://dpaste.com/17NK0W1
2017-12-04 02:57:20	Unode	no response it seems
2017-12-04 02:59:19	Unode	alanz: is there a reason why the nix build would be unsupported?
2017-12-04 03:00:34	Unode	ok doesn't seem to be nix's fault here. Standard build behaves the same
2017-12-04 03:00:59	Unode	any suggestions?
2017-12-04 03:01:06	alanz	Unode: no particular reason, except there is a lot to do and that has not been done yet
2017-12-04 03:01:32	domenkozar	I'm happy to help with Nix integration
2017-12-04 03:01:59	Unode	alanz: ok, I'm surprised though, since I got no errors when building it with nix. Worked fine. (And that's how I'm using it on a NixOS system).
2017-12-04 03:02:00	domenkozar	alanz: I'm on nixos, maybe that's why no response
2017-12-04 03:02:01	alanz	domenkozar: great
2017-12-04 03:02:14	Unode	domenkozar: I'm not on Nixos (Sabayon) and no response either
2017-12-04 03:02:34	domenkozar	sabayon :O
2017-12-04 03:02:35	alanz	Unode: hie has this thing of just going quiet, which you see in your log, and in domenkozar's one
2017-12-04 03:02:52	alanz	And I suspect it is because it is trying to build your project
2017-12-04 03:03:25	Unode	domenkozar: old gentoo user, decided to give sabayon a try as it promised a good compromise between source and binary. Not the greatest but more or less works.
2017-12-04 03:03:30	alanz	It is generally a good idea to make sure you can build it outside first, and that there is not spurious dist directory, or .stack-work
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2017-12-04 03:04:07	Unode	domenkozar: at home went Gentoo -> Nixos a couple of months ago. Giving it a few more months until I feel comfortable enough to migrate this one too.
2017-12-04 03:04:17	alanz	But right now, if you are out of the ordinary on standard stack or cabal builds, it will not work
2017-12-04 03:04:23	Unode	alanz: ok I'll start with a clean build
2017-12-04 03:05:54	Unode	alanz: about "this thing of just going quiet" :) any way to poke it? Is there a "ping" command in the protocol? Something that could trigger a "pong"?
2017-12-04 03:05:54	alanz	domenkozar: can you see if you have more luck with https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/381-didChangeWatchedFiles
2017-12-04 03:06:11	alanz	Unode: its early days. There should be such a thing.
2017-12-04 03:07:28	alanz	And some commands are returned immediately. But I would have to dig into the details
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2017-12-04 03:07:46	alanz	And I need to stop now,and do some other stuff
2017-12-04 03:08:12	alanz	domenkozar: please comment on that ticket once you have tried it.
2017-12-04 03:08:19	alanz	Cheers all
2017-12-04 03:08:24	Unode	ok I think I got something now.
2017-12-04 03:08:44	Unode	I had stack configured to use nix at all times (nix: enabled  on config).
2017-12-04 03:09:04	Unode	Disabled that and now I see some "reactor" related messages in the log
2017-12-04 03:09:14	Unode	although no output on the editor yet
2017-12-04 03:09:36	domenkozar	alanz: building
2017-12-04 03:10:21	Unode	hum.. might have spoken too soon. Seems like we are back to silence :)
2017-12-04 03:22:05	domenkozar	alanz: it works!
2017-12-04 03:23:25	Unode	No luck here :(
2017-12-04 03:24:01	Unode	I get http://dpaste.com/0B65F3K on neovim with https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/381-didChangeWatchedFiles
2017-12-04 03:24:32	Unode	and with vscode I can't find a way to tell it to customize the launch command.
2017-12-04 03:27:31	Unode	alanz: by the way, when building with nix, I had to add 'git' to the list of packages in the project's stack.yaml file.
2017-12-04 03:40:51	Unode	Ok, I'll revist this later. Not working for me at the moment. Neither neovim nor vscode. Tried both master and https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/381-didChangeWatchedFiles with similar results. Thanks for the help anyway.
2017-12-04 03:45:10	domenkozar	Unode: I suggest opening an issue
2017-12-04 03:45:15	domenkozar	with your logs
2017-12-04 03:46:43	Unode	domenkozar: will do.
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2017-12-04 15:12:19	ggVGc	are there any ideas on how to make go-to-definition and type hinting possible in source files that don't compile?
2017-12-04 15:34:04	domenkozar	alanz: how does ghc-mod integration work, is it runtime inspection or is ghc-mod compiled into hie?
2017-12-04 15:36:41	alanz	ggVGc: yes, there are plans, but in the future. One of them (currently in) is to use the info from the prior one that did compile.
2017-12-04 15:37:03	alanz	Other options include incremental compilation, and the kind of thing the haskell-tools guy is looking into
2017-12-04 15:37:06	ggVGc	yeah, that's what I figured
2017-12-04 15:37:19	alanz	domenkozar: ghc-mod is compiled in, used as a library
2017-12-04 15:37:21	ggVGc	I think keeping a cache would be okay for the most part
2017-12-04 15:37:36	domenkozar	alanz: so ideally one compiles hie with the project stackage?
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2017-12-04 15:37:43	domenkozar	for example to mix ghc versions
2017-12-04 15:37:51	alanz	ggVGc: yes, provided you *start* with something that compiles
2017-12-04 15:38:24	alanz	domenkozar: yes. One of the things that needs to happen is to match the hie version with the project version
2017-12-04 15:38:43	alanz	my current thought is to build hie-8.0.2, hie-8.2.2 etc
2017-12-04 15:38:53	alanz	and then just set it at the client level
2017-12-04 15:38:57	alanz	That is the simplest
2017-12-04 15:38:57	domenkozar	so ghc needs to match
2017-12-04 15:39:05	domenkozar	and then libs need to be available to ghc-mod?
2017-12-04 15:39:11	alanz	yes, that is the main driver
2017-12-04 15:39:12	alanz	yes
2017-12-04 15:39:23	domenkozar	that's easy to support nix then
2017-12-04 15:39:31	alanz	basically hie loads the project (via ghc-mod) and interacts with it
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2017-12-04 15:39:51	alanz	so running hie is a bit like "cabal repl" or "stack repl"
2017-12-04 15:39:58	alanz	yes, very easy in nix
2017-12-04 15:40:08	alanz	and easy for stack projects, in future
2017-12-04 15:40:22	alanz	but for now, not so much. And for cabal, not so much
2017-12-04 15:40:55	domenkozar	we'd have to add some glue
2017-12-04 15:41:04	domenkozar	based on available ghc
2017-12-04 15:41:06	alanz	ok
2017-12-04 15:41:07	domenkozar	pick correct hie
2017-12-04 15:41:21	alanz	yes, cabal-helper should be able to help with that
2017-12-04 15:41:29	domenkozar	maybe just with simple convention
2017-12-04 15:41:35	domenkozar	hie detects ghc
2017-12-04 15:41:42	domenkozar	and picks hie-XXX if vailable
2017-12-04 15:41:46	domenkozar	available*
2017-12-04 15:42:10	alanz	yes, that will be the easiest
2017-12-04 15:42:22	alanz	But in the short-term I see that happening client-side
2017-12-04 15:42:34	domenkozar	so without zero configuration
2017-12-04 15:42:53	alanz	I just need to work out how to tell stack to install against a particular name. Or perhaps do it in the cabal file, with a flag
2017-12-04 15:43:11	alanz	Anyway, I need to go now. 
2017-12-04 15:43:30	domenkozar	in Nix it's a bit easier, but quite a few options
2017-12-04 15:43:33	domenkozar	mkay
2017-12-04 15:44:17	domenkozar	alanz: main thing here is to get hie on hackage
2017-12-04 15:44:34	domenkozar	plus the glue :)
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2017-12-04 21:08:44	alanz	domenkozar: I would love to have it on hackage. But the dependency on cabal-helper/ghc-mod prevents that
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2017-12-05 01:35:02	alanz	We just hit 700 stars on github
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2017-12-06 10:43:53	--	Notice(GitHub49): [haskell-ide-engine] nponeccop opened pull request #392: Add wishes from Haskell wiki (master...doc-wishlist) https://git.io/vbnWr
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2017-12-06 13:20:06	wz1000	alanz: all the different branches in HIE and ghc mod have become very confusing
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2017-12-06 18:10:49	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/pull/6
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2017-12-06 20:14:20	alanz	wz1000: I have just got back from travelling, will be taking a look in a while
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2017-12-07 01:50:30	--	Notice(GitHub116): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #388: Update Tools.md (master...nponeccop-tools-md) https://git.io/vbs5m
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2017-12-07 01:50:34	--	Notice(GitHub81): haskell-ide-engine/master 560a059 nponeccop: Additions and skulls in Tools.md...
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2017-12-07 01:55:20	--	Notice(GitHub137): haskell-ide-engine/master 3ea0ed8 nponeccop: Add wishes from Haskell wiki
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2017-12-07 14:13:21	wz1000	alanz: did you remove hoogle docs as well as haddock?
2017-12-07 14:13:41	alanz	I am not sure, to be honest
2017-12-07 14:14:05	alanz	It was such a mixture of branches and rebases, it was hard to see what should come along and what not
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2017-12-07 14:14:24	alanz	I think moving things along in a more linear fashion is a good idea.
2017-12-07 14:14:38	wz1000	I think the hoogle docs are also gone
2017-12-07 14:14:46	alanz	But I think the problem is that you had to attend to your studies, so things got left in an incomplete state
2017-12-07 14:14:51	alanz	oops
2017-12-07 14:15:05	wz1000	the _getDocsForName was the one that fetches docs from hoogle
2017-12-07 14:15:16	wz1000	in LspStdio
2017-12-07 14:15:22	alanz	ok
2017-12-07 14:15:34	alanz	As I say, I am pretty sure I botched the merge
2017-12-07 14:16:25	wz1000	the haddock docs story is kind of weird for 8.2
2017-12-07 14:16:40	wz1000	I have to go for lunch now, be back in a while
2017-12-07 14:18:10	alanz	ok
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2017-12-07 14:35:41	wz1000	ok, I get why you had to remove that stuff to make it async
2017-12-07 14:36:07	wz1000	because it depends on state stored inside IdeM
2017-12-07 14:36:23	wz1000	and when we are running async we don't have access to that
2017-12-07 14:37:33	wz1000	which means we need to move our global extensible state out of IdeM(and ghc-mod-core)
2017-12-07 14:40:57	wz1000	It was never really a good idea to have it in their in the first place
2017-12-07 14:47:37	alanz	yes
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2017-12-08 19:07:55	saurabhnanda	quick question -- which editor works the best with HIE? (context: writing a getting-started tutorial)
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2017-12-08 19:24:01	arrowsvc	saurabhnanda: Visual Studio Code, i think.
2017-12-08 19:24:14	arrowsvc	alanz: Am I right?
2017-12-08 19:25:00	alanz	saurabhnanda: vscode
2017-12-08 19:25:07	saurabhnanda	great, thanks.
2017-12-08 19:25:18	alanz	Has the best client side integration, as being the origin of the thing
2017-12-08 19:25:24	saurabhnanda	any gotchas with vscode + hie that newbies need to be aware of?
2017-12-08 19:26:00	alanz	Mainly that the hie GHC version and the project GHC version must match
2017-12-08 19:26:30	alanz	and that if a dist directory exists it will assume it is a cabal project, even if a stack.yaml is present
2017-12-08 19:26:46	alanz	saurabhnanda: great to hear you are doing this
2017-12-08 19:27:26	saurabhnanda	hold your praises, for now. It's not for HIE alone :)
2017-12-08 19:27:46	saurabhnanda	wrt GHC version, won't `stack install` solve that issue?
2017-12-08 19:27:49	alanz	well, anything aimed at Haskell and newbies is a good thing
2017-12-08 19:28:08	alanz	eventually, when hie is in the nightly/lsts
2017-12-08 19:28:09	alanz	lts
2017-12-08 19:28:42	saurabhnanda	if I have opened a stack project in VSCode, which GHC will it use?
2017-12-08 19:29:00	alanz	In the interim we are planning this: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/issues/31
2017-12-08 19:29:26	alanz	it will use the one in the stack.yaml
2017-12-08 19:29:52	alanz	And hie may fail to load modules/work if it does not have the same GHC
2017-12-08 19:35:04	saurabhnanda	so when I clone the HIE repo and do stack install -- that GHC and the project's GHC should match?
2017-12-08 19:35:12	saurabhnanda	essentially HIE and your project should be on the same LTS?
2017-12-08 19:36:05	saurabhnanda	how come https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server doesn't have any stack or cabal file?
2017-12-08 19:36:25	saurabhnanda	sorry
2017-12-08 19:36:28	saurabhnanda	wrong project
2017-12-08 19:36:39	saurabhnanda	so, LTS-9.14?
2017-12-08 19:37:08	saurabhnanda	LTS-9.14 from the stack.yaml file at https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/stack.yaml
2017-12-08 19:50:17	alanz	saurabhnanda: sorry, was commuting
2017-12-08 19:50:39	alanz	not the same resolver, just the same underlying GHC
2017-12-08 19:54:11	saurabhnanda	for a newbie that's the easiest way to ensure that, right?
2017-12-08 19:54:15	saurabhnanda	just use the same resolver.
2017-12-08 19:56:42	alanz	yes
2017-12-08 19:56:49	alanz	guaranteed to work.
2017-12-08 19:57:04	alanz	Except, you need to build hie with a specific stack.yaml
2017-12-08 19:57:25	alanz	And we provide ones for 8.0.2 (the default one), and 8.2.1, and 8.2.2
2017-12-08 19:57:33	alanz	so you need to install hie with the right onw
2017-12-08 19:57:37	alanz	one
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2017-12-09 22:44:42	wz1000	alanz: you should see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/compare/master...wz1000:master#diff-0ff13631c03497d376260263a115a7b7R103
2017-12-09 22:44:54	wz1000	I've basically split IdeM into two parts
2017-12-09 22:45:10	wz1000	AsyncM and IdeM
2017-12-09 22:45:25	alanz	nice
2017-12-09 22:45:26	wz1000	They both share the same underlying state using a TVar
2017-12-09 22:45:44	wz1000	and IdeM is just GhcModT AsycM
2017-12-09 22:45:50	alanz	and the one blocks, the other not?
2017-12-09 22:45:58	wz1000	so AsyncM with ghc monad capabilities
2017-12-09 22:46:17	alanz	sounds good
2017-12-09 22:46:29	wz1000	the idea is - compiles are the most expensive operation
2017-12-09 22:46:38	wz1000	so those run in their own thread
2017-12-09 22:47:16	alanz	agree
2017-12-09 22:47:16	wz1000	And the other stuff is in a seperate thread
2017-12-09 22:47:31	alanz	and then we just query whatever we have for all the rest
2017-12-09 22:47:35	wz1000	yes
2017-12-09 22:47:41	alanz	sounds good
2017-12-09 22:48:05	alanz	Managing the scheduling to the single compiler thread needs to be done carefully
2017-12-09 22:48:26	wz1000	Yeah, so I haven't modified the dispacther to actually implement all this yet
2017-12-09 22:48:32	alanz	But we already have that, with checking doc versions at the head of the Q
2017-12-09 22:48:52	alanz	ok, I definitely think this is the way to go
2017-12-09 22:49:35	wz1000	Also, the types a quite nice
2017-12-09 22:50:02	wz1000	So all you have to do is change the annotation from IdeM to AsyncM if the command doesn't need ghc moad
2017-12-09 22:50:05	wz1000	*monad
2017-12-09 22:50:13	wz1000	and the code remains the same
2017-12-09 22:50:13	alanz	Great
2017-12-09 22:50:19	alanz	very nice
2017-12-09 22:50:39	alanz	The power of the monad. Programmable composition
2017-12-09 22:51:07	wz1000	the problem is that everything that reads the file(hlint, brittany etc) needs the ghcmonad
2017-12-09 22:51:15	wz1000	because it uses ghc mods mapped files
2017-12-09 22:51:40	wz1000	so either we have to live with that, or mirror the mapped files in HIE
2017-12-09 22:51:58	alanz	which is why I moved that stuff into ModuleLoader in ghc-mod core
2017-12-09 22:52:25	wz1000	The stuff in Module Loader can be used with AsyncM
2017-12-09 22:52:41	wz1000	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/compare/master...wz1000:master#diff-0ff13631c03497d376260263a115a7b7R120
2017-12-09 22:52:50	wz1000	You made that typeclass 
2017-12-09 22:52:52	alanz	Ok, so hlint needs it too. Ouch
2017-12-09 22:53:09	alanz	brittany is fine, it is based on GHC
2017-12-09 22:53:39	alanz	Well, I guess worst case we write a shim around hlint
2017-12-09 22:54:02	wz1000	also, Haddock, findDef and completion commands need to be rewritten not to require ghc monad
2017-12-09 22:54:07	alanz	Or we are going to have to bring in an extra layer somewhere, for the mapped file stuff
2017-12-09 22:54:11	wz1000	which should be possible, I think
2017-12-09 22:54:15	alanz	ok
2017-12-09 22:54:41	alanz	Yes, they mostly only need it to be able to get the info from the TypecheckSource or whatever
2017-12-09 22:54:43	wz1000	we can keep the mapped files with the rest of the HIE state
2017-12-09 22:55:22	wz1000	alanz: no, currently they use the ghc api to make dynamic queries
2017-12-09 22:55:30	wz1000	those commands
2017-12-09 22:56:50	alanz	ok
2017-12-09 22:57:04	alanz	but in principle that should be true. I hope
2017-12-09 22:57:09	wz1000	btw, we are going to require stack >= 1.6.1 for haddock to work
2017-12-09 22:57:25	alanz	I'm fine with that
2017-12-09 22:57:34	alanz	This whole project is bleeding edge
2017-12-09 22:57:45	alanz	Except we seem to be picking up a user base :)
2017-12-09 22:57:55	alanz	over 1800 installs of the vscode plugin
2017-12-09 22:58:04	wz1000	yes, in the worst case, we can initially request all the data we are going to need from ghc and cache it
2017-12-09 22:58:18	wz1000	for further uses
2017-12-09 22:58:27	alanz	Decoupling the loading and the use is a good thing
2017-12-09 22:58:32	wz1000	so we have one IdeM action in the beginning
2017-12-09 22:58:35	alanz	Except for potential wasted work
2017-12-09 22:58:38	wz1000	and the rest AsyncM
2017-12-09 22:58:47	alanz	sounds good
2017-12-09 22:59:03	alanz	I have always had an async model in mind, good to see it happening
2017-12-09 22:59:29	alanz	And eventually I want to bring in incremental compilation too. But my yak-stack is currently immense
2017-12-09 22:59:30	wz1000	But the LSP spec is single threaded
2017-12-09 22:59:41	alanz	its not, actually
2017-12-09 23:00:11	alanz	ekmett was telling me that too, and a day or so later they clarified it
2017-12-09 23:00:16	wz1000	I think we need to respond to requests in order
2017-12-09 23:00:26	wz1000	that they come
2017-12-09 23:00:26	alanz	in terms of allowing out-of-order return messages
2017-12-09 23:00:42	alanz	I'm already not doing that in hie
2017-12-09 23:00:50	alanz	I'm pretty sure
2017-12-09 23:01:00	alanz	Unless it is just the notifications, that are async anyway
2017-12-09 23:01:07	wz1000	are you sure that is not just vscode being lenient?
2017-12-09 23:01:16	alanz	In my view we need to be as fast as possible
2017-12-09 23:01:47	wz1000	another thing- I think we need to respond to every request
2017-12-09 23:01:53	wz1000	we cant just drop it
2017-12-09 23:01:59	wz1000	and never respond
2017-12-09 23:02:00	alanz	https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/protocol.md#request-notification-and-response-ordering
2017-12-09 23:02:11	wz1000	I'm not completely sure we are doing that now
2017-12-09 23:02:11	alanz	wz1000: I agree 100% on that
2017-12-09 23:02:36	alanz	I know it sometimes goes away forever
2017-12-09 23:02:53	alanz	Which may be stack downloading and building the world in the background
2017-12-09 23:03:15	alanz	But I have definitely seen it go unresponsive
2017-12-09 23:03:30	alanz	And some clients, like emacs, are currently sync only. Which is crazy
2017-12-09 23:03:47	alanz	And you have to wait for a timeout, which is never the right lengtg
2017-12-09 23:04:32	alanz	wz1000: have you seen the logo proposals? https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/7in9ab/haskellcafe_haskell_ide_engine_logo_poll/
2017-12-09 23:04:39	wz1000	yes :)
2017-12-09 23:08:05	alanz	did you vote? I am in favour of the current winner too
2017-12-09 23:08:16	alanz	Brings in the haskell colours
2017-12-09 23:09:33	wz1000	yes, even I like that one
2017-12-09 23:11:30	alanz	Well, lets see what happens. It is running for a long time, so that anyone else can ask to submit something too
2017-12-09 23:11:41	alanz	But I am happy with what is there
2017-12-09 23:12:09	wz1000	alanz: btw, I'm going to be busy for the next couple of days, so if you want to take a stab at making the dispachter
2017-12-09 23:12:26	wz1000	all you have to do is implement the case for PureReqeust here
2017-12-09 23:12:39	wz1000	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/compare/master...wz1000:master#diff-5f28489f7e4747fc35a0abe4e072acf5R18
2017-12-09 23:12:44	wz1000	and it should work
2017-12-09 23:13:18	alanz	ok, I will see how it goes. Unlikely though, I am focusing on cabal-helper atm, and then I need to do something on GHC
2017-12-09 23:13:38	wz1000	ok, I will try to do it by monday-tuesday
2017-12-09 23:15:34	alanz	sorry. My OSS load is crazy at the moment
2017-12-09 23:15:53	alanz	And I am on holiday from 16 Dec to 3 Jan. So wont be doing much then
2017-12-09 23:16:47	wz1000	have fun :)
2017-12-09 23:20:24	alanz	I will. Hopefully will be able to so *some* stuff. Will have to see
2017-12-09 23:20:35	wz1000	btw, I got the hoogle stuff back in
2017-12-09 23:20:47	wz1000	so it should work if we have the dispatcher
2017-12-09 23:21:11	alanz	ok, sounds good.
2017-12-09 23:21:31	alanz	If I get a chance I will take a look. But can't guarantee
2017-12-09 23:22:18	wz1000	I messed up my partitions today, so spent the whole day reinstalling linux :(
2017-12-09 23:22:26	alanz	ouch
2017-12-09 23:22:43	alanz	Its good to do a fresh install from time to time though
2017-12-09 23:23:22	wz1000	I seem to somehow need to do it every 3-4 months
2017-12-09 23:23:49	wz1000	its about time I made a script that does most of the hard work
2017-12-09 23:28:32	alanz	yes, that is actually a good byproduct of this process
2017-12-09 23:28:46	alanz	You learn to back things up, and automate reinstall
2017-12-09 23:28:51	alanz	I call it being nomadic
2017-12-09 23:28:55	alanz	And its a good thing
2017-12-09 23:36:01	\u	https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=29619 a petition to add `xref-find-references` to `xref-prompt-for-identifier` (so that Emacs does not prompt. the position rather than the identifier is useful to the language server)
2017-12-09 23:45:58	alanz	\u what is that about? Is emacs-lsp going to be accepted by GNU/emacs?
2017-12-09 23:48:42	\u	alanz: xref-find-references not being in xref-prompt-for-identifier is another issue. M-? will give a prompt which has no text property (thus no position)
2017-12-09 23:48:53	\u	I'm unclear about the progress of https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-mode/issues/83
2017-12-09 23:52:28	alanz	Yes, I just pinged the ticket to see what gives
2017-12-09 23:52:58	alanz	and I don't know enough about the xref stuff to be able to comment
2017-12-09 23:57:22	\u	I mean if haskell-ide-engine provides textDocument/references , then users may feel frustrated when they hit M-? (xref-find-references) and see a prompt . Then they type a string, hit Enter and see nothing happen
2017-12-09 23:58:05	\u	The prompt is because xref-find-references is not listed in xref-prompt-for-identifier. 
2017-12-09 23:58:45	alanz	ok. I am not able to look at this in that sort of detail at the moment. Heading into family time
2017-12-10 00:02:42	\u	have a good time :) Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs:696   Core.makeResponseMessage req (List []) , yeah I see textDocument/references is not implemented. This is hard, because it requires a in-memory/on-disk storage
2017-12-10 00:03:49	\u	textDocument/references can delegate to textDocument/documentSymbol if it is not implemented . The latter is a poor-man's references to me (references in the same document, rather the whole project)
2017-12-10 00:13:59	alanz	\u, the architecture is currently being reworked by wz1000, which will enable better support for this. The nop was put in purely to stop the client/server hanging when asking for references
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2017-12-10 14:20:44	wz1000	alanz: wrote the dispatcher, and I think its working as expected :)
2017-12-10 14:21:03	alanz	awesome
2017-12-10 14:21:29	alanz	I'm looking at an emacs-lsp PR, will take a look at that when done
2017-12-10 14:21:44	alanz	(when you have something to commit)
2017-12-10 14:22:39	alanz	And I am not sure how your changes will affect that windows path thing, but I reckon we should rather stabilise them first, otherwise we end up back in the tricky merge zone
2017-12-10 14:23:13	wz1000	I don't think I touch that
2017-12-10 14:23:35	wz1000	and the windows path thing should probabaly be handled in haskell lsp
2017-12-10 14:23:39	wz1000	in the Uri conversion
2017-12-10 14:24:08	wz1000	haskell is amazing
2017-12-10 14:24:19	wz1000	I haven't run my code for a week
2017-12-10 14:24:43	wz1000	and it worked flawlessly the first time I ran it
2017-12-10 14:25:27	wz1000	and the diff should be >500 lines across many files
2017-12-10 14:30:23	wz1000	now I have to get haddock working
2017-12-10 14:30:28	wz1000	and fix the tests
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2017-12-10 17:46:33	wz1000	alanz: I've re-enabled haddock for 8.0.2
2017-12-10 17:51:29	alanz	wz1000: good news
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2017-12-11 15:33:58	mpickering	alanz: Could I easily modify the roundtrip code for HSE?
2017-12-11 15:34:06	mpickering	How easy is it to use currently?
2017-12-11 15:34:44	mpickering	I want to test HSE on all files which don't contain CPP to get an idea of actually how broken it is.
2017-12-11 15:35:53	alanz	give me a moment, busy with something
2017-12-11 16:14:00	alanz	mpickering: given HSE already has an exactprint, so it has all the decorations, it should indeed be feasible
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2017-12-11 16:59:49	mpickering	great looks easy to modify slightly for HSE
2017-12-11 16:59:52	mpickering	I just want to test the parser really
2017-12-11 17:09:09	alanz	ok
2017-12-11 17:09:20	alanz	I still want to abstract that whole thing out some time
2017-12-11 17:09:44	alanz	And the plan is to move it into GHC itself in time. Once TTG (finally) lands
2017-12-11 17:10:14	alanz	So having another implementation will help with that process
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2017-12-12 12:10:42	wz1000	alanz: hmm, is there any way to tell ghc mod which stack.yaml to use?
2017-12-12 12:11:06	alanz	not at the moment. Or not that I am aware of
2017-12-12 12:11:14	wz1000	suppose I want to use HIE on HIE, but with ghc 8.2
2017-12-12 12:12:04	alanz	I actually think we are getting to the time to make GHC 8.2.2 the default stack.yaml, and make stack-8.0.2.yaml
2017-12-12 12:12:28	alanz	As 8.2.2 is my default too, for dev
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2017-12-12 12:12:55	alanz	And in terms of the bigger question, I think we need to start thinking about hie config files
2017-12-12 12:13:25	alanz	I was thinking of maybe something like editorconfig (or whatever it is), that is standardised for use in all clients
2017-12-12 12:14:21	alanz	Because settings should be managed in the client, and passed through in the API. And the initial choice of which HIE exe determines the GHC. argh
2017-12-12 12:14:57	wz1000	all the shuffling around of imports is annoying
2017-12-12 12:15:11	wz1000	NameCache is in a seperate module in 8.2
2017-12-12 12:15:15	alanz	Maybe we could make hie scan for all stack*.yaml files in a project, and select the one that matches what hie was compiled with (in terms of GHC)
2017-12-12 12:15:20	wz1000	but that module doesn't exist in 8.0
2017-12-12 12:15:35	alanz	working tightly against GHC is a pain
2017-12-12 12:15:43	wz1000	so `import Namecache` is an error in 8.0
2017-12-12 12:15:46	alanz	I know, HaRe, ghc-exactprint, ....
2017-12-12 12:18:02	wz1000	so I got hie-haddock compiling on 8.2
2017-12-12 12:18:08	wz1000	now how do I test?
2017-12-12 12:20:24	wz1000	alanz: where is __GLASGOW_HASKELL__ documented?
2017-12-12 12:20:43	alanz	in GHC itself, I think
2017-12-12 12:21:03	alanz	first 2 digits are major, second 2 (with leading zero) are minor
2017-12-12 12:21:15	wz1000	what do I write if I want some code in 8.2 but not in 8.0
2017-12-12 12:21:15	alanz	so 0802 == 8.2.*
2017-12-12 12:21:28	alanz	> 0800
2017-12-12 12:21:42	wz1000	oh
2017-12-12 12:21:45	alanz	that second last zero is confusing
2017-12-12 12:21:59	wz1000	I thought that was 8.0.2
2017-12-12 12:22:03	alanz	but it makes sense once you realise it only deals with 2 levels of version
2017-12-12 12:22:19	alanz	I thought so too, when I first came across it
2017-12-12 12:24:15	wz1000	alanz: do you have any 8.2 projects with haddock built?
2017-12-12 12:24:33	alanz	nope. Have not really focused on haddock
2017-12-12 12:25:39	wz1000	stack is recompiling haddock-api and haddock-library every time for 8.2 for some reason
2017-12-12 12:26:03	wz1000	alanz: are we maintaining stack-8.2.1.yaml?
2017-12-12 12:26:16	alanz	is it because it is listed in the stack.yaml?
2017-12-12 12:26:20	wz1000	yes
2017-12-12 12:26:27	wz1000	in extra-deps
2017-12-12 12:26:36	alanz	We are maintaining stack-8.2.1
2017-12-12 12:27:01	alanz	As not everyone has switched yet, and it is in a lot of stackage nightlies
2017-12-12 12:27:26	alanz	I think stack is quite conservative when there are extra-deps and git deps
2017-12-12 12:27:55	wz1000	but it is not compiling the other stuff in extra-deps
2017-12-12 12:28:24	alanz	Well, I am not a stack expert, so have no idea
2017-12-12 12:48:31	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/commit/a11e988410030187785462875af687943a4b4385
2017-12-12 12:48:39	wz1000	please test when you have the time
2017-12-12 12:49:31	alanz	ok
2017-12-12 12:50:00	wz1000	especially with 8.2
2017-12-12 12:51:26	alanz	remind me of how to build the relevant haddock docs?
2017-12-12 12:52:21	 *	alanz building
2017-12-12 12:58:14	wz1000	alanz: stack haddock
2017-12-12 12:58:36	alanz	ok, thanks. 
2017-12-12 13:00:33	alanz	taking forever to clone the repos, I deleted my .stack-work first, to be sure
2017-12-12 13:00:59	wz1000	the HaRe repo takes ages to clone
2017-12-12 13:01:20	alanz	I know. I inherited it with a lot of binaries commited
2017-12-12 13:01:56	alanz	And I started a cleanup process, but it jerked one of the other devs around, who was finalising his PhD. So left it, so he could avoid that stress
2017-12-12 13:02:05	alanz	Need to go back to it now, I guess
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2017-12-12 13:18:57	alanz	And I once again see that for me cloning from gitlab is faster than from github. At least HaRe is from gitlab
2017-12-12 13:19:37	wz1000	hmm. Did you switch everything to gitlab recently because of that?
2017-12-12 13:21:30	alanz	yes
2017-12-12 13:21:58	alanz	since it should not make a difference for anyone else, but definitely does for me
2017-12-12 13:22:08	alanz	And it is good to have a backup origin too
2017-12-12 13:22:19	alanz	git *is* federated, after all
2017-12-12 13:23:00	alanz	speeds: git, 5kbs, gitlab 40kbs. Dismal for both
2017-12-12 13:23:17	alanz	yay for long pipes
2017-12-12 13:25:45	wz1000	alanz: btw, I had missed some files while committing the first time
2017-12-12 13:25:58	alanz	ok, must I pull again? 
2017-12-12 13:26:12	wz1000	yes
2017-12-12 13:26:21	alanz	once the clones are finished. Nearly done, I hope
2017-12-12 13:27:05	wz1000	also see if you can figure out why stack needs to rebuild haddock for 8.2
2017-12-12 13:28:50	wz1000	alanz: got the tests working- I guess we can merge now
2017-12-12 13:28:59	alanz	great
2017-12-12 13:29:12	alanz	make a pr
2017-12-12 13:29:22	alanz	Just pulled again, finally building
2017-12-12 13:30:36	alanz	btw, the circleci.yml is broken, see https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/commit/547bdcb8cc8d44739ecec60f4cac7f78b9bdfcdb
2017-12-12 13:30:43	alanz	about to PR, when the tests pass
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2017-12-12 13:32:02	wz1000	ok, I will merge
2017-12-12 13:33:55	wz1000	alanz: merged your test-8.2.2 branch into mine
2017-12-12 13:34:02	alanz	thanks
2017-12-12 13:34:32	alanz	juts pulled it
2017-12-12 13:41:15	alanz	I get failed tests for HaRe
2017-12-12 13:41:26	alanz	and -Werror warnings
2017-12-12 13:41:43	 *	alanz running stack haddock
2017-12-12 13:42:24	alanz	rebuilding 202
2017-12-12 13:47:04	alanz	wz1000: 'stack --stack-yaml=stack-8.2.2.yaml haddock' fails after a bit with (end of log) http://lpaste.net/5843590206376116224
2017-12-12 13:51:00	wz1000	alanz: run stack haddock on the project you want to use HIE with
2017-12-12 13:51:20	alanz	I was doing that. Want to try on hie :)
2017-12-12 13:51:51	wz1000	ah. I haven't tried stack haddock on HIE
2017-12-12 13:52:11	alanz	ok, will have to create a stack test project with a 8.2.2 nightly
2017-12-12 13:52:14	wz1000	also, even if stack haddock fails, hie should be able to pick up on all those that succeeded
2017-12-12 13:54:30	alanz	ok, the first 45. 
2017-12-12 13:54:36	alanz	Will rerun, see what happens
2017-12-12 13:57:36	alanz	builds a bit more each time, will repeat a few times
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2017-12-12 14:09:22	wz1000	alanz: haddock for haskell-lsp fails on 8.0. IIRC this is a bug in haddock that won't be fixed in ghc 8.0?
2017-12-12 14:10:48	wz1000	haddock fails on haddock-library
2017-12-12 14:10:50	wz1000	how ironic
2017-12-12 14:12:04	wz1000	alanz: btw, you can use --keep-going
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2017-12-12 14:24:30	alanz	ok
2017-12-12 14:24:57	alanz	haddock for lsp fails because of the overloaded record fields
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2017-12-12 14:38:51	wz1000	alanz: did you try it out?
2017-12-12 14:39:14	alanz	The real world has intervened, will get back to it soon, I hope
2017-12-12 15:02:04	alanz	wz1000: seems to work, hovered on 'Just', got the docs, clicked on more info, went to docs in my browser
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2017-12-12 15:30:53	wz1000	alanz: if you see `more info` then its getting docs from hoogle
2017-12-12 15:31:02	wz1000	hoogle is used as fallback to haddock
2017-12-12 15:31:36	wz1000	for haddock docs you should see two links- Documentation and Source that will open in a split pane in vscode itself
2017-12-12 15:38:09	alanz	ok, will take a look
2017-12-12 15:44:42	alanz	It shows up as "Documentation", which opens in a split window. Nice
2017-12-12 15:44:54	alanz	as you said :)
2017-12-12 15:45:20	alanz	but not Source
2017-12-12 15:45:43	alanz	well, not of library functions anyway
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2017-12-12 19:19:50	wz1000	saurabhn_: do you get space leaks when HIE is idle? Or only when you use it for some time?
2017-12-12 19:20:33	saurabhn_	when I use it for some time
2017-12-12 19:20:40	saurabhn_	have you looked the GHC issue?
2017-12-12 19:20:44	wz1000	how long, approximately?
2017-12-12 19:21:09	saurabhn_	can I report on this tomorrow... I had switched to intero for the time being. I'll try HIE for tomorrow's coding session and report back.
2017-12-12 19:21:26	saurabhn_	from past experience -- it was within 2 hours.
2017-12-12 19:21:34	wz1000	ok
2017-12-12 19:21:49	wz1000	and how long did HIE take to load a file in your project?
2017-12-12 19:24:43	saurabhn_	hang on, let me try
2017-12-12 19:24:51	saurabhn_	what's the upgrade path to get the latest HIE?
2017-12-12 19:25:55	wz1000	saurabhn_: try git remote add wz1000 https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine && git pull master
2017-12-12 19:26:09	wz1000	*git pull wz1000 master
2017-12-12 19:27:40	saurabhn_	done
2017-12-12 19:27:46	saurabhn_	now stack install?
2017-12-12 19:27:53	wz1000	yes
2017-12-12 19:28:03	wz1000	if your project is ghc 8.0.2
2017-12-12 19:28:22	saurabhn_	can I downgrade to lts-9.0 to match my project?
2017-12-12 19:28:30	wz1000	otherwise stack install --stack-yaml=ghc-<your ver>.yaml
2017-12-12 19:28:39	saurabhn_	is same GHC but different LTS *guaranteed* to work?
2017-12-12 19:28:42	wz1000	the lts doesn't matter as long as the ghc version matches
2017-12-12 19:29:05	saurabhn_	this might take some time
2017-12-12 19:29:12	wz1000	yes, it gets the libraries from your local config
2017-12-12 19:29:18	saurabhn_	it's building lts-9.14 first
2017-12-12 19:29:24	wz1000	yes I know :)
2017-12-12 19:29:45	wz1000	you can probably change it to a snapshot you have cached and it should probably work
2017-12-12 19:29:52	wz1000	no guarantees though
2017-12-12 19:30:06	alanz	wz1000: I see hoogle 5.0.15 just hit hackage
2017-12-12 19:30:37	wz1000	we are still on 5.0.13
2017-12-12 19:30:43	wz1000	should probably upgrade
2017-12-12 19:32:07	wz1000	it doesn't look like anything of significance to us has changed
2017-12-12 19:32:14	alanz	ok
2017-12-12 19:32:38	wz1000	but hie won't be able to read the db from people using 5.0.14 and 5.0.15
2017-12-12 19:34:08	alanz	finding that db is a pain
2017-12-12 19:34:25	wz1000	saurabhn_: if you have some patience, try building haddocks for your project(`stack haddock --keep-going` should do the trick)
2017-12-12 19:34:37	wz1000	this can take a lot of time though
2017-12-12 19:34:49	saurabhn_	still building HIE...
2017-12-12 19:34:49	wz1000	and if you have a laptop it will make it burn up
2017-12-12 19:35:06	alanz	wz1000: that haddock build failure for GHC 8.2.2 is from a comment starting -- * xxxxx
2017-12-12 19:35:20	alanz	and haddock complains about it being malformed.
2017-12-12 19:35:33	alanz	Should be a case of just changing the comment
2017-12-12 19:35:33	wz1000	haddock should really become much more tolerant
2017-12-12 19:36:02	saurabhn_	still downloading a bunch of git repos... 
2017-12-12 19:36:18	wz1000	just warn on stuff it can't understand, instead of crashing and burning
2017-12-12 19:36:18	alanz	Agree. And/or we should check haddock comments during a normal GHC compile. 
2017-12-12 19:36:25	alanz	yes
2017-12-12 19:36:35	alanz	They do accept PRs ")
2017-12-12 19:39:18	wz1000	is it possible to make ghc emit warnings for malformed haddock?
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2017-12-12 20:04:23	alanz	wz1000: not as far as I know. But I think it is worth opening a ticket for it
2017-12-12 20:05:18	alanz	I *do* know that invoking the compiler in haddock mode has some unintended consequences, relating to processing the pragma declarations
2017-12-12 20:05:40	alanz	Or did when I first looked into it for ghc-exactprint/HaRe
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2017-12-13 08:58:57	wz1000	alanz: CI passed, so you can merge
2017-12-13 09:01:14	wz1000	actually, wait. there is a little race condition I have to fix
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2017-12-13 10:03:00	saurabhn_	wz1000: you around?
2017-12-13 10:03:12	saurabhn_	wz1000: picking up from y'day I'm installing your branch of HIE
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2017-12-13 10:55:43	wz1000	saurabhnanda: hey
2017-12-13 10:55:50	wz1000	alanz: you can merge now
2017-12-13 10:57:30	saurabhnanda	wz1000: I'm here
2017-12-13 10:58:03	wz1000	saurabhnanda: did you get it working?
2017-12-13 10:58:16	saurabhnanda	still compiling...
2017-12-13 10:58:22	saurabhnanda	181/205 packages...
2017-12-13 11:04:13	wz1000	saurabhnanda: do you get the space leak with intero too?
2017-12-13 11:04:21	saurabhnanda	wz1000: yes.
2017-12-13 11:05:39	wz1000	and are you sure its not just the the natural increase in memory usage as you load more files
2017-12-13 11:42:37	saurabhnanda	finally HIE has installed
2017-12-13 11:42:56	saurabhnanda	okay... tell me how to turn on verbose logging so that I can send you something that helps track down this issue
2017-12-13 11:44:17	saurabhnanda	wz1000: ping...
2017-12-13 11:44:35	saurabhnanda	does this look fine: `Version 0.1.0.0, Git revision 7a733856d12bb6f06891cada502c4bc045bff4af (1123 commits) x86_64`
2017-12-13 11:58:24	alanz	wz1000: your PR is missing my update to the stack.yaml files on master
2017-12-13 11:58:48	alanz	Not sure if it makes a difference, but I do not want to break master
2017-12-13 12:01:29	alanz	building locally to check, having merged ..
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2017-12-13 12:22:01	saurabhnanda	alanz: do you know how to start HIE in verbose mode so that I can send something helpful to wz1000
2017-12-13 12:23:05	alanz	saurabhnanda: it is in the hie-vscode.sh file in the vscode plugin, uncomment one of the lines
2017-12-13 12:23:22	alanz	e.g. hie --lsp -d -l /tmp/hie.log $@
2017-12-13 12:23:27	alanz	for normal logginh
2017-12-13 12:23:32	saurabhnanda	where can I find hie-vscode.sh file?
2017-12-13 12:23:39	alanz	hie --lsp -d -l /tmp/hie.log --vomit $@
2017-12-13 12:23:50	alanz	for logging the inside of ghc-mod too
2017-12-13 12:24:05	alanz	wherever the vscode plugin is installed
2017-12-13 12:24:20	alanz	I go "locate hie-vscode.sh" on my machine
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2017-12-13 12:32:06	saurabhnanda	it should show-up using the mac finder, right?
2017-12-13 12:32:18	saurabhnanda	it can't seem to find it
2017-12-13 12:33:29	saurabhnanda	found it
2017-12-13 12:34:38	saurabhnanda	the vomit has started :)
2017-12-13 12:34:59	saurabhnanda	and memory is climbing...
2017-12-13 12:56:25	--	Notice(GitHub66): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #403: Async Architecture and reenabling hoogle/haddock (master...master) https://git.io/vbu3b
2017-12-13 12:56:28	--	Notice(GitHub170): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 18 new commits to master: https://git.io/vbggX
2017-12-13 12:56:28	--	Notice(GitHub170): haskell-ide-engine/master c7065cd Zubin Duggal: Improve type cmd
2017-12-13 12:56:28	--	Notice(GitHub170): haskell-ide-engine/master 6e61222 Zubin Duggal: Handle qualified names properly
2017-12-13 12:56:28	--	Notice(GitHub170): haskell-ide-engine/master f9097f7 Zubin Duggal: Cleaned up updatePositionMap
2017-12-13 12:57:07	saurabhnanda	wz1000: alanz: HIE has gone up to 5.90 GB, and I wasn't even editing any Haskell files... I was working on my Haskell tutorials in RST.
2017-12-13 12:57:15	saurabhnanda	what can I send you to help narrow this down?
2017-12-13 12:58:50	alanz	saurabhnanda: I think if you can enable logging without vomit, and then send the log of the session, together with the actual project you are working on.
2017-12-13 12:59:21	alanz	I think we should maybe log the memory usage from time to time too. I wonder if it is accessible. Or enable ekg
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2017-12-13 13:50:55	alanz	saurabhnanda: try runnning this branch of hie: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/ekg
2017-12-13 15:02:59	saurabhnanda	alanz: roger that.
2017-12-13 15:17:13	alanz	And we need to add more reported measurements too, like number of messages, time to process a message, etc
2017-12-13 15:22:25	--	Notice(GitHub51): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #407: Add EKG support (master...ekg) https://git.io/vbgPp
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2017-12-13 16:09:27	wz1000	alanz: you can probably put that stuff in the dispatcher.
2017-12-13 16:10:02	alanz	I know. Straightforward enough, need to just do it
2017-12-13 16:10:30	saurabhnanda	alanz: what changes should I do to the shell script to start this new ekg branch? Btw, does this also have stuff that wz1000's branch had?
2017-12-13 16:10:31	alanz	BTW, what do you think of switching things out so that stack.yaml is for GHC 8.2.2? 
2017-12-13 16:11:17	alanz	saurabhnanda: the commit message says. Add --ekg to the command in hie-vscode.sh
2017-12-13 16:11:35	alanz	and yes, the wz1000 changes are merged into master, I worked from that
2017-12-13 16:12:11	alanz	FYI this is my goto view to see what has been merged or not: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/network
2017-12-13 16:12:23	saurabhnanda	so, launching with: hie --ekg --lsp -d -l /tmp/hie.log $@
2017-12-13 16:14:00	saurabhnanda	up to 2 GB
2017-12-13 16:19:10	saurabhnanda	the project went through a recompile and the memory usage jumped from 2 -> 3.4 GB
2017-12-13 16:19:14	saurabhnanda	is this a good enough use-case?
2017-12-13 16:25:28	saurabhnanda	alanz: wz1000: does this have anything useful? https://gist.github.com/saurabhnanda/e7fe4c950f41c9a0063fa7e15367c37a
2017-12-13 16:30:03	alanz	saurabhnanda: This will need having the actual project, and trying to work out where the memory actually goes
2017-12-13 16:30:21	alanz	And its not something I can tackle right now, not sure if anyone else can
2017-12-13 16:30:22	saurabhnanda	does the log file show you memory usage?
2017-12-13 16:30:41	saurabhnanda	I thought wz1000 was looking at this (as per yesterday's ping).
2017-12-13 16:30:55	alanz	not at this stage. We would need to start logging it. wz1000 ?
2017-12-13 16:31:08	saurabhnanda	anyways, not pushing to give this higher priority. I thought he wanted some actual samples to help debug this.
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2017-12-13 16:31:49	alanz	ok. Having a replayable log will help.
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2017-12-13 17:45:13	--	Notice(GitHub2): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vbgF5
2017-12-13 17:45:14	--	Notice(GitHub2): haskell-ide-engine/master ab3cb3e Alan Zimmerman: Add EKG support...
2017-12-13 17:45:14	--	Notice(GitHub2): haskell-ide-engine/master e2b4228 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #407 from alanz/ekg...
2017-12-13 17:45:14	--	Notice(GitHub3): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #407: Add EKG support (master...ekg) https://git.io/vbgPp
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2017-12-13 22:54:56	hexagoxel	alanz: i just noticed that ghcWrapper using defaultErrorHandler means that one cannot timeout a running parsing thread.
2017-12-13 22:55:51	hexagoxel	is that worth changing or at least documenting?
2017-12-13 23:01:49	alanz	hexagoxel: probably worth changing. PR is welcome
2017-12-13 23:02:24	alanz	And we need to start using the published brittany too, on my list
2017-12-13 23:03:36	hexagoxel	ah indeed, i had forgotten about that too. still wanted to investigate the line-duplication issue.
2017-12-13 23:08:25	alanz	too much to do :)
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2017-12-14 23:21:16	mrijkeboer	When trying to run haskell-ide-engine from within neovim I get the error that the cabal-helper-wrapper failed to install Cabal version 1.22.5.0. Any suggestions on how to fix this?
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2017-12-15 00:37:13	alanz	mrijkeboer: try deleteing ~/.cache/cabal-helper/
2017-12-15 00:37:29	mrijkeboer	alanz: I tried that, but it didn't help.
2017-12-15 00:37:56	alanz	try it from vscode, and see if you get the same problem.
2017-12-15 00:38:13	alanz	And make sure the ghc you used to compile HIE matches the GHC in your project
2017-12-15 00:38:31	alanz	what version of cabal does the project use?
2017-12-15 00:38:32	mrijkeboer	alanz: I'm on OpenBSD, I don't think vscode will work.
2017-12-15 00:39:14	alanz	ok. Then I can't help you. Try asking on #ghc-mod, dxld would be your best bet. But his availability is a bit spotty
2017-12-15 00:39:45	mrijkeboer	alanz: Ok, thanks.
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2017-12-16 17:42:15	sgronblo	Hello, where is hie looking for packages? Is there a way to make it work with external package dependencies used in stack scripts?
2017-12-16 18:40:34	wz1000	sgronblo: HIE uses ghc-mod to handle that stuff. Essentially, if you have a stack.yaml in the dir, it will use that
2017-12-16 18:41:01	wz1000	and a few more cases from cabal projects, both sandboxed and not sandboxed
2017-12-16 18:41:09	wz1000	s/from/for
2017-12-16 18:51:37	wz1000	sgronblo: I don't believe HIE/ghc-mod work with stack scripts, but if you add that behaviour to ghc-mod, HIE should work as well
2017-12-16 19:02:33	sgronblo	wz1000: i dont know anything about how HIE works unfortunately
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2017-12-17 09:15:51	wz1000	alanz: why did you replace EitherT with ExceptT?
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2017-12-17 13:19:35	alanz	wz1000: I was clearing -Werror, and EitherT is deprecated
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2017-12-17 13:58:07	wz1000	ah. I remember ErrorT was depreciated and confused that with ExceptT
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2017-12-17 23:02:31	domenkozar	alanz: do you see something suspicious in https://github.com/Tehnix/ide-haskell-hie/issues/6#issuecomment-352271490
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2017-12-18 21:20:08	alanz	domenkozar: It's not managing to load the module, so either the project does not build, or it uses a different version of GHC to the one hie was compiled with
2017-12-18 21:26:25	domenkozar	alanz: could we have a stop-gap to report an error if ghc mismatch happens?
2017-12-18 21:26:39	domenkozar	to me it seems this will happen a lot given that you've switch to ghc-8.2.x as default stack
2017-12-18 22:27:54	wz1000	if the version of ghc mismatches, hie should crash with an error saying something about readPackageDb failing
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2017-12-19 01:04:09	alanz	domenkozar: that is a good idea. I suggest making an issue so we dont forget. My availability is very spotty at the moment
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2017-12-19 03:19:21	domenkozar	alanz: sure: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/414
2017-12-19 03:23:31	domenkozar	Tehnix: around? :)
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2017-12-19 04:06:18	michalrus	Thank you. <3
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2017-12-19 09:49:55	Tehnix	Hmm, I'm currently getting `Progress: 4/23 ....stack-work/logs/text-icu-0.7.0.1.log: hGetBufSome: illegal operation (handle is not open for reading)` with the `stack-8.0.2.yaml` resolver. Didn't have this before (on macOS), anyone else ran into this?
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2017-12-19 10:03:46	--	Notice(GitHub90): [haskell-ide-engine] chris-martin opened pull request #418: specify that stack 1.6.1 is required (fixes #417) (master...pr/starck-version) https://git.io/vbPQX
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2017-12-19 10:30:03	--	Notice(GitHub17): [haskell-ide-engine] nponeccop closed pull request #418: specify that stack 1.6.1 is required (master...pr/starck-version) https://git.io/vbPQX
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2017-12-19 10:30:03	--	Notice(GitHub156): haskell-ide-engine/master a63325d Chris Martin: specify that stack 1.6.1 is required (fixes #417)
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2017-12-19 22:58:50	etaconversion	hi! i'm wondering, what's missing for HIE installation for stack? the installation is not quite as convenient as the one of intero
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2017-12-20 18:09:09	sgronblo	So I think I asked this before but the answer scrolled out of view already. Where does hie look for imported modules?
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2017-12-20 18:34:44	wz1000	sgronblo: depends on if you have a stack.yaml or .cabal file in your project folder
2017-12-20 18:36:00	wz1000	sgronblo: the exact logic is here https://github.com/wz1000/ghc-mod/blob/master/core/Language/Haskell/GhcMod/Cradle.hs#L45
2017-12-20 18:37:29	wz1000	there are 4 cradle types, stack, cabal, sandbox and plain, and the predence is in this order
2017-12-20 18:38:15	wz1000	so if its a stack project, it will look wherever stack would put the libraries according to the stack.yaml
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2017-12-20 19:10:54	sgronblo	wz1000: well, I have neither
2017-12-20 19:11:02	sgronblo	Just working on some small stack script files
2017-12-20 19:11:31	sgronblo	so hie relies on ghc-mod under the hood?
2017-12-20 19:18:01	sgronblo	So in case I have no stack or cabal file it should match this plainCradle right?
2017-12-20 19:18:25	sgronblo	and where would ghc-mod expect to look up modules in that case?
2017-12-20 19:20:38	sgronblo	it would be nice if i could at least find a workaround
2017-12-20 19:32:28	wz1000	sgronblo: plain cradle looks at the packages in your .ghc folder
2017-12-20 19:34:15	wz1000	sgronblo: if you write a patch for ghc-mod that recognizes stack scripts and generates a stack cradle for them, HIE should also work
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2017-12-20 20:56:36	sgronblo	it sounds fun to try to add support for that. however it would take me a looong time to finish i think.
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2017-12-20 22:27:37	--	Notice(GitHub161): [haskell-ide-engine] gleachkr opened pull request #421: Update README.md (master...patch-1) https://git.io/vbDnx
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2017-12-20 22:52:13	wz1000	sgronblo: yes, that should work
2017-12-20 22:53:37	--	Notice(GitHub82): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 closed pull request #421: Update README.md (master...patch-1) https://git.io/vbDnx
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2017-12-20 23:04:44	dpren	I'm interested in contributing to this project. What is perhaps a good place for me to start? (bugs, or whatever) I've just been reading through the codebase.
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2017-12-20 23:57:35	wz1000	dpren: well, the completion system needs a rewrite, if you're interested
2017-12-20 23:57:53	wz1000	also, we could benefit a lot from much more comprehensive testing
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2017-12-21 01:04:42	wz1000	alanz: ^
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2017-12-21 01:28:34	arrowsvc	> haskell-ide-engine
2017-12-21 01:28:35	arrowsvc	> 26 notifications unread ._.
2017-12-21 01:31:14	alanz	wz1000: why is it "ghc-mod(test)"?
2017-12-21 01:42:04	wz1000	alanz: because we need to load the module first
2017-12-21 01:42:44	alanz	we need to load the module for a lot of stuff
2017-12-21 01:42:51	wz1000	we don't do that when it is actually being used
2017-12-21 01:43:45	wz1000	yeah, so all the old plugin api commands force a reload of the module if they require the module to be loaded
2017-12-21 01:43:58	alanz	But why is the test fixture defined in the main ghcmod plugin module? It should be in the test?
2017-12-21 01:44:03	wz1000	this hasn't been much of an issue because nobody uses most of them
2017-12-21 01:44:53	wz1000	I decided to do it differently this time
2017-12-21 01:45:07	wz1000	hmm, good point
2017-12-21 01:45:17	alanz	it makes no sense to me, tbh
2017-12-21 01:45:50	wz1000	alanz: look at typeCmd and typeCmdTest
2017-12-21 01:46:16	alanz	Why not just use the normal ghcmodDescriptor (which is used in the test already) and use its "type" command, which is duplicated in ghcmodTestDescriptor?
2017-12-21 01:46:40	alanz	ok, hol don
2017-12-21 01:46:45	alanz	hold on
2017-12-21 01:46:49	wz1000	earlier typeCmd did what typeCmdTest was doing
2017-12-21 01:47:11	wz1000	but now I changed typeCmd and added typeCmdTest for testing purposes
2017-12-21 01:47:55	alanz	whose testing? in the GhcModPluginSpec?
2017-12-21 01:47:59	wz1000	yes
2017-12-21 01:48:10	alanz	then it belongs there
2017-12-21 01:48:13	alanz	surely
2017-12-21 01:48:24	wz1000	typeCmd doesn't load the module, typeCmdTest does
2017-12-21 01:48:25	wz1000	ok
2017-12-21 01:48:35	alanz	thanks
2017-12-21 01:49:00	wz1000	alanz: typeCmdTest stays in ghc-mod, no?
2017-12-21 01:49:04	alanz	My bandwidth for looking at stuff is *very* low at the moment.
2017-12-21 01:49:28	wz1000	just ghcmodTestDescriptor moves to GhcModPluginSpec?
2017-12-21 01:49:35	alanz	why does typeCmdTest stay in ghc-mod, if it is only used for a test?
2017-12-21 01:50:06	alanz	Either it is an actual command that we intend using, or it is something we call in tests
2017-12-21 01:50:22	alanz	Unless I misunderstand something
2017-12-21 01:51:54	alanz	If we actually need it, then it needs a name that says what it actually does
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2017-12-21 01:52:35	alanz	And maybe just pass in a flag to call setTypeCheckedModule on the uri
2017-12-21 01:53:40	wz1000	i will move it to the spec
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2017-12-21 02:05:42	wz1000	alanz: pushed the changes
2017-12-21 02:07:27	alanz	wz1000: I see, thanks
2017-12-21 02:08:47	alanz	By why are we not testing "typeCmd" itself? why use typeCmdTest? Is it too hard to do? Should it go into the Functional tests?
2017-12-21 02:11:36	wz1000	alanz: the new typeCmdTest uses typeCmd in its definition
2017-12-21 02:12:25	wz1000	we could test typeCmd itself, but we would still need some way to load the module before calling it
2017-12-21 02:12:53	alanz	To me that would make more sense. 
2017-12-21 02:13:06	wz1000	this is the simplest way to do it, other than entirely changing the way we run tests in ghcmodpluginspec
2017-12-21 02:14:26	alanz	well, maybe the typeCmd should be able to be used whether the module is loaded or not.
2017-12-21 02:14:40	alanz	And in general for any command needing a loaded module
2017-12-21 02:15:03	alanz	if it is not in the current module cache, it is first loaded into it
2017-12-21 02:16:20	wz1000	we need to think about how the old plugin api(CmdSync, CmdAsync) fit in with the new AsyncM stuff
2017-12-21 02:17:17	wz1000	but I'm quite sleepy now. see you tommorrow
2017-12-21 02:17:50	wz1000	also, I think AsyncM shouldn't be called AsyncM
2017-12-21 02:17:55	wz1000	but I'm terrible with names
2017-12-21 02:18:08	alanz	ok. Sorry to poke holes in things. Chat tomorrow, if/when I have time, it is in short supply at the moment, for this stuff
2017-12-21 02:19:24	wz1000	AsyncM = IdeM - GhcMonad
2017-12-21 02:19:29	alanz	we can change the name when we think of something better. I cannot think about that now either
2017-12-21 02:20:17	alanz	We have AsyncM and IdeM?
2017-12-21 02:20:23	wz1000	yes
2017-12-21 02:20:27	alanz	So maybe IdeGhcM
2017-12-21 02:20:41	alanz	german style, smash words together
2017-12-21 02:21:07	wz1000	IdeM -> IdeGhcM, AsyncM -> IdeM ?
2017-12-21 02:21:57	alanz	does the old IdeM have the GhcMonad in it? In principle yes
2017-12-21 02:22:01	wz1000	yes
2017-12-21 02:22:08	wz1000	AsyncM doesn't have ghcmonad
2017-12-21 02:22:11	wz1000	ideM does
2017-12-21 02:22:16	alanz	works for me. Calls a thing what it is
2017-12-21 02:22:38	wz1000	ok
2017-12-21 02:23:09	wz1000	I think my PR should be merged when tests pass as it fixes a regression.
2017-12-21 02:23:15	wz1000	We can clean up the tests later
2017-12-21 02:23:16	alanz	Originally the async plugins literally spawned a separate thread, which could communicate asynchronously
2017-12-21 02:23:24	wz1000	yes
2017-12-21 02:23:25	alanz	So it made sense 
2017-12-21 02:23:50	wz1000	we can technically do that with asyncm, but we don't
2017-12-21 02:24:01	alanz	but now it is all synchronous, we just use the most recent loaded module for the one case
2017-12-21 02:24:48	alanz	Well, lets go with that new naming, and relook if we ever actually need an async case
2017-12-21 02:24:49	wz1000	actually, all the HIE state(loaded modules, cached data, extensible state, plugins etc.) are shared between the two threads using a TVar
2017-12-21 02:24:57	alanz	true async
2017-12-21 02:25:19	alanz	yes, I saw that. 
2017-12-21 02:26:04	alanz	but have not investigated the implications in detail
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2017-12-21 02:27:25	wz1000	it is pretty simple: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Dispatcher.hs#L29
2017-12-21 02:27:42	alanz	and I see 8.4.1 alpha was just announced. Will have to put head down on ghc-exactprint soon. Not enough time
2017-12-21 02:28:24	wz1000	mainDispatcher is the thread that divides up work between the IdeM thread and the AsyncM thread
2017-12-21 02:28:30	alanz	Yes, I took a brief look at the dispatcher 
2017-12-21 02:29:12	alanz	But I have not applied my mind to it in terms of data sharing, locking, that kind of stuff
2017-12-21 02:29:30	wz1000	well, we are using STM
2017-12-21 02:29:39	wz1000	so don't really have to bother about locks
2017-12-21 02:29:40	alanz	And I'm not going to do that until I am working something through it.
2017-12-21 02:30:43	alanz	I am pretty sure the immediate level is fine, I have just not wrapped my head around the bigger level, of when changes come through VSP, update modules, we interact via the non-GHC stuff
2017-12-21 02:30:47	alanz	etc
2017-12-21 02:31:03	alanz	But I gather it is all fine, so not overly worried
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2017-12-21 02:33:09	wz1000	well, we don't have too many "incremental" state updates. Mostly we throw out the old state and replace it with a new one.
2017-12-21 02:33:34	wz1000	and most state is refreshed every successful compile
2017-12-21 02:33:44	wz1000	so that makes it easier to reason about
2017-12-21 02:34:28	alanz	ok
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2017-12-21 13:26:34	wz1000	alanz: should I merge the PR?
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2017-12-21 14:20:18	alanz	I guess. I would prefer a test that more closely models what we actually do, but it does bring back the functionality. 
2017-12-21 14:20:33	alanz	Perhaps add an issue to revisit the test
2017-12-21 14:41:06	alanz	wz1000: ^^
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2017-12-21 17:46:04	sgronblo	so I tried now to create a stack project, add a dependency to the cabal file, run stack install and was hoping that hie would notice its a stack cradle and know where to look for modules. but it didnt work. any advice?
2017-12-21 18:00:56	sgronblo	wait, whoa seems to work after restarting vscode!
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2017-12-21 18:50:14	titto	hi, I am a newbie to hie. I have just discovered it and I am trying to use it with vscode under osx, and I am having some issues ..
2017-12-21 18:50:49	titto	one problem is that I get a lot of "Got error while processing diagnostics: These modules are needed for compilation but not listed in your .cabal file's other-modules: " errors
2017-12-21 18:51:42	titto	I suppose that's because, I have separate test targets, with source files in a separate directory and hie uses as target only the project library.
2017-12-21 18:52:16	titto	is there a way of specifying multiple cabal targets ?
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2017-12-22 03:22:01	ggVGc	javagoogles: we're going to vietnam the 11th, so I'll be in zagreb until 10th the latest
2017-12-22 03:22:08	ggVGc	oh, sorry
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2017-12-22 16:05:55	wz1000	alanz: I think we should remove the old async command stuff. We don't ever use it, and it doesn't really mesh well with LSP
2017-12-22 16:06:23	wz1000	either we want the info now, or we want to fail.
2017-12-22 16:07:01	wz1000	if we ever need the functionality, we can add it then exactly as we need it
2017-12-22 16:08:04	wz1000	better to stop wasting effort on anticipating future needs
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2017-12-22 16:46:16	wz1000	alanz: thoughts?
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2017-12-22 21:02:44	alanz	wz1000: maybe. I still want to be able to do a build or something that way, Or run hlint at the same time as GHC
2017-12-22 21:03:21	alanz	But I guess it is also a resource management thing, having multiple heavyweight things running at the same time could be problematic
2017-12-22 21:04:42	shlevy	How does hie use the workspaceRootUri?
2017-12-22 21:06:17	shlevy	I'd like to write a dispatcher that calls (building, if necessary, with nix) an hie build with the appropriate ghc version for a given project, but it's not clear what the semantics of workspaceRootUri are from the spec
2017-12-22 21:26:36	alanz	shlevy: when hie starts up, it sets its working directory to that, and then looks for a haskell project there. So a cabal file, stack file, etc
2017-12-22 21:27:02	alanz	It is basically used by cabal-helper/ghc-mod to get the context for the project being accessed via hie
2017-12-22 21:29:51	wz1000	shlevy: the workspaceRootUri doesn't really matter that much. HIE figures out the root of your haskell project indepedently for each file.
2017-12-22 21:30:21	shlevy	:D
2017-12-22 21:30:45	shlevy	Does it make sense to assume that any client will start a new instance for each individual project?
2017-12-22 21:30:47	wz1000	alanz: remember the cradle cache stuff? We always find a cradle on a per directory basis and then cd to the root of that cradle
2017-12-22 21:31:38	wz1000	shlevy: actually, I don't think more than one instance of HIE can run at the same time
2017-12-22 21:32:04	alanz	wz1000: has it changed again? It used to be like that originally, and then it changed. So maybe it has now changed back again
2017-12-22 21:32:12	shlevy	wz1000: At all?
2017-12-22 21:32:34	alanz	But, it does make a difference if e.g. working on hie, and opening a source file for one of the plugins
2017-12-22 21:32:57	alanz	More than one instance can run, they talk via stdio
2017-12-22 21:33:13	alanz	its probably a bad idea to run more than one against the same rootUri though
2017-12-22 21:33:51	alanz	So the emacs client defines an LSP session by the rootUri associated with any file it opens
2017-12-22 21:34:01	alanz	likewise for most, I am sure
2017-12-22 21:34:32	shlevy	Using projectile-like logic, or just the current directory?
2017-12-22 21:35:01	shlevy	s/current directory/directory of the file
2017-12-22 21:36:02	wz1000	alanz, shlevy: see https://github.com/wz1000/ghc-mod/blob/03c91ea53b6389e7a1fcf4e471171aa3d6c8de41/core/src/GhcMod/ModuleLoader.hs#L241
2017-12-22 21:36:29	alanz	The logic varies per language, but for the clients I wrote it looks for the root of the project. For emacs using the project find root thing from haskell mode
2017-12-22 21:36:39	shlevy	OK cool
2017-12-22 21:36:50	shlevy	I'll just assume that's the case generally
2017-12-22 21:36:54	alanz	And from the client perspective it makes sense, even if hie itself does not care 
2017-12-22 21:37:00	shlevy	Yeah
2017-12-22 21:37:05	wz1000	the root doesn't matter because we use ghc mod to find the root and cd to it
2017-12-22 21:37:17	shlevy	And hie does care, at least because it needs to be the right ghc version, right?
2017-12-22 21:37:21	alanz	better to assume that, it reduces potential issues later
2017-12-22 21:37:39	shlevy	Modules are loaded in-process, not through calls to ghc or cabal repl or some such
2017-12-22 21:37:45	shlevy	right?
2017-12-22 21:37:50	wz1000	yes, we use the ghc api
2017-12-22 21:37:54	alanz	yes, but right now that is a client decision, because once hie is started, you are stuck with whatever GHC it was compiled with
2017-12-22 21:37:57	shlevy	Right
2017-12-22 21:38:17	alanz	so the nix/stack model of bringing the right one in to scope for the project is a good one
2017-12-22 21:38:21	wz1000	I think we do use the cabal binary though(or, rater ghc-mod does)
2017-12-22 21:38:33	alanz	But we need to somehow generalise it for cabal only, at some point
2017-12-22 21:39:07	alanz	wz1000: hie binds to ghc-mod and cabal-the-lib
2017-12-22 21:39:35	alanz	ghc-mod uses cabal-helper which can use any one of many cabal/ghc versions to get the info it needs
2017-12-22 21:40:01	shlevy	OK, cool. So a dispatcher that parses out the initialization request, finds the right hie version from the root URI, spawns that, and forwards all messages should just work transparently to clients and servers, I think.
2017-12-22 21:40:02	alanz	but at the end of the day, hie is like ghci, it has to be able to load the compiled artifacts of the current project
2017-12-22 21:40:08	alanz	including its deps
2017-12-22 21:40:37	alanz	shlevy: yes, that is the eventual goal. And I think cocreature did some initial work on that, a looong time ago
2017-12-22 21:41:21	alanz	but right now it is on the backburner, as there are bigger issues to sort out first, and it can be managed at the client level if necessary
2017-12-22 21:42:38	wz1000	alanz: btw, removing the old async stuff shouldn't prevent hlint from running in parrallel with ghc. 
2017-12-22 21:42:48	wz1000	The only thing that prevents that is the issue with mapped files
2017-12-22 21:43:14	wz1000	I think we need to duplicate them on the HIE side, so all the AsyncM stuff can use them
2017-12-22 21:43:25	alanz	ok. Well rip it out then, as you say, we can bring it back if we need it
2017-12-22 21:43:35	shlevy	Right, though you can separate out the dispatching, which is lsp-generic, from the actual executable discovery, which *can* be lsp-generic if you're willing to assume nix
2017-12-22 21:43:41	alanz	rather than maintain something incase we need it, one day
2017-12-22 21:43:59	wz1000	alanz: that means deleting eg-plugin-async
2017-12-22 21:44:10	alanz	wz1000: yes, of course
2017-12-22 21:44:17	shlevy	Would be nice if we could add a "language" field or some such to the initialization request to make this kind of thing fully supported at the generic level
2017-12-22 21:44:55	alanz	shlevy: yes, we should perhaps make that request on the lsp protocol itself
2017-12-22 21:45:12	alanz	https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues
2017-12-22 21:45:18	wz1000	shlevy: how will you find the right hie version from the root uri? parse the stack.yaml/.cabal file?
2017-12-22 21:45:45	shlevy	wz1000: Well I think I'll make that pluggable, but the version I will likely use personally will parse shell.nix or something similar
2017-12-22 21:45:51	alanz	wz1000: I reckon we could get cabal-helper to do that for us
2017-12-22 21:45:55	shlevy	(which ultimately uses the cabal file or whatever)
2017-12-22 21:46:19	alanz	I think nix and stack have the ghc version already, from the meta project info
2017-12-22 21:46:29	alanz	resolver and nix base thing
2017-12-22 21:46:39	shlevy	Yeah.
2017-12-22 21:47:00	wz1000	for .cabal project we can probably look at the base version
2017-12-22 21:47:26	alanz	interestingly, the more modern (2.0 and up) cabal puts that info into a local file
2017-12-22 21:47:29	wz1000	choose the latest one that a HIE build exists for
2017-12-22 21:47:35	shlevy	Generally any nix expression for a package will define some haskell package set to build it, so I'd just use haskell-ide-engine from that set once https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/32947 is merged
2017-12-22 21:48:06	shlevy	That way any common libraries will also be shared, which I think is necessary for non-bytecode module loading right?
2017-12-22 21:48:20	alanz	A .ghc.environment.xxxxxxx file
2017-12-22 21:48:40	alanz	which is a bit of a landmine, as it gets silently produced and then silently used by ghc
2017-12-22 21:48:47	alanz	overriding package libs and things
2017-12-22 22:00:14	mpickering	alanz: Do you know how much new syntax there is in 8.4
2017-12-22 22:00:32	alanz	mpickering: not really
2017-12-22 22:00:49	alanz	I am starting to get my ghc-exactprint dev fired up so I can find out
2017-12-22 22:01:05	alanz	But I am on limited dev time at the moment, being on holiday
2017-12-22 22:01:27	alanz	The changes simplify things, I do know. Mostly.
2017-12-22 22:01:41	mpickering	I was wondering about whether I should do another HSE release really
2017-12-22 22:01:58	alanz	And I have started thinking of the best way of bringing the new/updated tests over too
2017-12-22 22:02:23	alanz	perhaps wait until I have got a bit further on ghc-exactprint first
2017-12-22 22:02:37	wz1000	I just thought of a use for the fancy new typerep stuff in 8.2 :(
2017-12-22 22:02:41	alanz	I am likely to be putting a lot of time in from 2nd jan or so
2017-12-22 22:03:42	wz1000	and I really want to use it...
2017-12-22 22:03:47	alanz	wz1000: why the non-smily?
2017-12-22 22:04:35	wz1000	because we need to support 8.0...
2017-12-22 22:06:41	alanz	ah, yes. The joys of getting some momentum up
2017-12-22 22:07:21	alanz	We could always adopt the mpickering approach and only support the current version, and effectively feature freeze the old one
2017-12-22 22:08:09	wz1000	eh, its not that important. 
2017-12-22 22:08:47	alanz	its good to know the stuff is coming though, and is eventually available to us
2017-12-22 22:09:11	alanz	I have no idea what the 3-release policy will look like once we are on 6-monthly GHC releases
2017-12-22 22:09:39	alanz	because I suspect it would have to become a 6-release support thing then. Or time based
2017-12-22 22:11:13	shlevy	Or upgrading needs to be more seamless :)
2017-12-22 22:12:24	alanz	the big problem is we are still building out to feature complete
2017-12-22 22:13:21	alanz	once we are it is less of a problem
2017-12-22 22:13:33	alanz	The classic support issue
2017-12-22 22:17:26	shlevy	Oh, I meant upgrading ghc needs to be more seamless
2017-12-22 22:17:32	shlevy	Then it's fine to just say to users "just update"
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2017-12-22 22:26:29	wz1000	alanz: do you have the power to commision a build? https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/package/constrained-dynamic
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2017-12-22 23:02:50	wz1000	alanz: btw, this needs to be merged: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/63
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2017-12-23 01:47:04	alanz	wz1000: looking ..
2017-12-23 01:49:51	alanz	wz1000: thanks for merging that.
2017-12-23 01:49:59	wz1000	alanz: I think we need a new release
2017-12-23 01:50:04	alanz	and I pinged hvr on that matrix thibg
2017-12-23 01:50:06	alanz	thing
2017-12-23 01:50:15	alanz	of haskell-lsp?
2017-12-23 01:50:23	wz1000	yes
2017-12-23 01:50:30	wz1000	thans
2017-12-23 01:50:33	wz1000	*thanks
2017-12-23 01:51:28	alanz	ok, have you built/tested a hie using the current master?
2017-12-23 01:53:11	wz1000	no
2017-12-23 01:54:43	alanz	perhaps we should do that, and ask @nponeccop to confirm that he is ok with it
2017-12-23 01:56:03	wz1000	I'm going to bed now, I'll try to do it tommorrow
2017-12-23 01:57:16	alanz	ok
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2017-12-23 04:02:36	dpren	the REPL is not working for me on macOS. I'm looking into it. Any ideas though?
2017-12-23 04:02:37	dpren	https://pastebin.com/raw/sTB4JAZF
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2017-12-23 11:37:28	wz1000	dpren: the repl was removed and isn't supported any more. You can use the json transport. Right now only the json and lsp transports work
2017-12-23 11:37:39	wz1000	adding more transports is quite easy though
2017-12-23 11:38:06	wz1000	look at JsonStdio.hs for an example
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2017-12-25 18:01:29	domenkozar	When parsing the record DidChangeWatchedFilesParams of type Language.Haskell.LSP.TH.DataTypesJSON.DidChangeWatchedFilesParams the key params was not present.\" `stack update` and install new haskell-lsp. Or check infor     mation on https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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2017-12-26 11:58:07	saurabhnanda	alanz: you around?
2017-12-26 11:58:14	saurabhnanda	is there any issue on Github to discuss HSoC?
2017-12-26 11:58:30	saurabhnanda	IMO the details given at https://summer.haskell.org/ideas.html#haskell-ide-engine are very sketchy.
2017-12-26 11:59:08	saurabhnanda	It would be great to see about 3-5 LSP/HIE related projects with clear outcomes.
2017-12-26 11:59:23	saurabhnanda	wz1000: are you applying again?
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2017-12-26 14:18:01	wz1000	saurabhnanda: I think so. That is our project idea from last summer.
2017-12-26 14:18:43	saurabhnanda	wz1000: how many months do you have this time? also, is it only you? or can we get another 2-3 students contributing to HIE this time?
2017-12-26 14:21:03	wz1000	I don't know of anyone else.
2017-12-26 14:21:12	wz1000	I can spend 3-4 months over the summer
2017-12-26 14:27:45	saurabhnanda	birlliant!
2017-12-26 14:28:01	saurabhnanda	is alanz around? do we have any other students who'd be interested in hacking on HIE?
2017-12-26 14:29:44	alanz	saurabhnanda: I am not aware of any at the moment
2017-12-26 14:29:54	saurabhnanda	shall we drum up some visibility for this?
2017-12-26 14:30:20	saurabhnanda	also, an earlier message -- IMO the details given at https://summer.haskell.org/ideas.html#haskell-ide-engine are very sketchy. It would be great to see about 3-5 LSP/HIE related projects with clear outcomes.
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2017-12-26 14:58:21	wz1000	yes, that was our project idea from last time
2017-12-26 15:00:28	saurabhnanda	wz1000: do you know the top 5 issues/areas that need immediate attention in the HIE project?
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2017-12-26 15:17:28	wz1000	completion is the biggest issue. Then we need much better tests and a few bug fixes.
2017-12-26 15:18:07	wz1000	In terms of new features, the highest on the TODO list is find definition
2017-12-26 15:18:36	wz1000	Plus we need support for more build systems like new-build, hpack and nix
2017-12-26 15:18:54	wz1000	though those will mostly involve ghc-mod with minimal changes to the HIE codebase
2017-12-26 15:19:26	saurabhnanda	my opinion is that, we should get everything work with just stack first. Cabal and nix should come later after the core features of HIE have been sorted out.
2017-12-26 15:19:44	saurabhnanda	what about speed and mem bloat?
2017-12-26 15:19:49	wz1000	i mean project wide references, not find definition
2017-12-26 15:20:50	wz1000	I think we've already ticked off the major optimisations we can do to improve speed.
2017-12-26 15:21:13	wz1000	Like I said, completion is slow and buggy. It needs a rewrite
2017-12-26 15:21:21	saurabhnanda	I've raised a PR for the GHCi memory usage issue to be included in HSoC
2017-12-26 15:21:29	saurabhnanda	auto-completion, you mean?
2017-12-26 15:21:32	wz1000	yes
2017-12-26 15:21:53	wz1000	but the architecture to support fast completion is (in principle) already there
2017-12-26 15:22:22	wz1000	someone just needs to rewrite it with that stuff in mind.
2017-12-26 15:22:25	saurabhnanda	and this is type-aware completion or just text-aware completion (which I believe comes for free in VSCode)
2017-12-26 15:22:57	wz1000	vscode can only complete with names already typed in the document
2017-12-26 15:23:11	saurabhnanda	yes... that's the free one I'm referring to
2017-12-26 15:23:12	wz1000	HIE can complete stuff in modules that you have never used before
2017-12-26 15:23:34	wz1000	so if you do import qualified Data.Map as M
2017-12-26 15:23:37	saurabhnanda	strangely, I've never seen that work on my project.
2017-12-26 15:24:00	wz1000	and then in vscode try M.<C-space>, you should see a list of all the functions in that module
2017-12-26 15:24:22	wz1000	IIRC, there were some issues with getting the completion list to show automatically
2017-12-26 15:24:48	wz1000	you have to manually trigger it with C-Space iirc
2017-12-26 15:25:16	saurabhnanda	ah okay... so that's one fix that we need right-away as part of this HSoC project.
2017-12-26 15:25:40	saurabhnanda	and can it also display the type signature of the symbols in the autocomplete along with haddock snippets?
2017-12-26 15:25:50	wz1000	that is an issue with the vscode plugin I think
2017-12-26 15:25:51	wz1000	yes
2017-12-26 15:25:55	wz1000	https://camo.githubusercontent.com/c4c25789a4fb77d4e88ada6c179a5d72a8c13665/687474703a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f775236494a374d2e676966
2017-12-26 15:26:25	saurabhnanda	how fast is the indexing with modules that form part of your project?
2017-12-26 15:27:17	wz1000	ideally, we would also take into account local definitions
2017-12-26 15:28:22	wz1000	everything we need should already be in memory be the time completion is called.
2017-12-26 15:30:01	wz1000	we are moving to system where most computation is done when the file is recompiled. We just look up the relevant stuff for any requests, with minimal computation.
2017-12-26 15:30:22	wz1000	and we now have a seperate thread that handles compiliation
2017-12-26 15:30:39	wz1000	so requests can use old compile data while a new version is still compiling
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2017-12-26 15:47:43	saurabhnanda	wz1000: so, how do we break this down into 2-3 independent projects?
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2017-12-27 00:39:02	--	Notice(GitHub199): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #428: Cleanup (master...master) https://git.io/vb5rk
2017-12-27 00:39:13	wz1000	alanz: ^
2017-12-27 00:51:02	wz1000	I consolidated the old plugin api and new plugin api tests
2017-12-27 00:51:16	wz1000	I also got rid of the ghc-mod-test plugin descriptor
2017-12-27 01:33:52	alanz	wz1000: I just took a look, and it seems fine. Once the CI passes, we can merge
2017-12-27 01:34:20	alanz	Sometime we must remove the ghc-tree plugin too, I am pretty sure it is not being used
2017-12-27 02:35:56	arrowsvc	I planned to use that. How to obtain AST and type info for the whole module, then?
2017-12-27 02:52:28	alanz	arrowsvc: It is just a dump of the AST, which we already have from the moduleloader, and the printing is in ghc-exactprint
2017-12-27 02:53:05	alanz	And the maintainer is not very good about keeping it up to date on hackage, so it is unlikely to stay in stackage very easily
2017-12-27 02:53:37	arrowsvc	Ah, OK then.
2017-12-27 02:54:39	alanz	And I think mpickering put the JSON dump option into GHC too. Could be wrong though
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2017-12-27 13:20:28	wz1000	the way it rebuilds haddock-* is very annoying
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2017-12-27 15:02:12	saurabhnanda	is there a known issue with HIE on VsCode not showing compiler warnings?
2017-12-27 15:06:53	wz1000	saurabhnanda: what do you mean?
2017-12-27 15:07:05	saurabhnanda	let it be. found the solution
2017-12-27 15:07:12	saurabhnanda	-Wall was needed in the **library** section of the cabal file
2017-12-27 15:07:54	wz1000	alanz: btw, I've updated the PR
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2017-12-27 15:12:07	wz1000	alanz: also, I think haskell lsp needs a new release on hackage
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2017-12-27 23:58:51	alanz	wz1000: I will take a look, agree on haskell-lsp, will see what I can do. Awkward time of the year for me on this stuff
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2017-12-28 00:07:20	--	Notice(GitHub88): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #428: Cleanup (master...master) https://git.io/vb5rk
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2017-12-28 00:56:37	alanz	wz1000: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp-0.2.0.1
2017-12-28 01:10:07	alanz	yay: docs are on hackage, and https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp
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2017-12-28 02:00:08	hexagoxel	alanz: why does `ExactPrint.parseWith` eat "#!blub" (at the beginning of the file)?
2017-12-28 02:00:46	alanz	its a known issue, IIRC
2017-12-28 02:01:02	alanz	which is relatively hard to solve properly
2017-12-28 02:01:30	hexagoxel	at ghc's end?
2017-12-28 02:01:32	alanz	As a haskell file is allowed to have a #! on the first line, and there is special processing in GHC
2017-12-28 02:01:47	alanz	I forget the details, but I think it needs a GHC patch
2017-12-28 02:10:30	hexagoxel	alanz: hmm thanks. i cannot find a related issues/trac tickets tough. #13414 and #6132.
2017-12-28 02:10:34	hexagoxel	but..
2017-12-28 02:11:25	hexagoxel	parseModuleApiAnnsWithCppInternal works and uses parseModule under the hoods too. it seems it should be possible to fix my approach somehow.
2017-12-28 02:13:16	alanz	I think there is an issue in either ghc-exactprint or HaRe about it. But I last looked at that a long time ago
2017-12-28 02:13:17	hexagoxel	ah, `checkLine` contains the "#!" check.
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2017-12-28 02:39:00	hexagoxel	managed to fix it by using the workarounds already implemented in ghc-exactprint.
2017-12-28 02:39:32	hexagoxel	only now brittany contains way too much duplication of low-level stuff from exactprint.
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2017-12-28 04:03:14	hexagoxel	alanz: PR opened. (there was something about no notifications for you? or was that only ide?)
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2017-12-28 11:56:04	saurabhnanda	alanz: relatively freer now?
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2017-12-28 23:05:42	alanz	hexagoxel: where did you open a PR
2017-12-28 23:06:27	alanz	found it, nvm
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2017-12-29 01:00:34	alanz	hexagoxel: merged
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2017-12-30 13:38:33	sam__	Hello, I've been using hie in VSCode recently and find it to be great. However one problem I have noticed is that the CPU usage tends to get a bit high most of the time. Is this a known issue?
2017-12-30 13:57:41	wz1000	 sam__: well, its constantly using ghc to compile your code
2017-12-30 14:26:27	sam__	wz1000: you dont happen to be involved with the vscode extension?
2017-12-30 14:26:38	sam__	just wondering if i could get it to only recompile on save
2017-12-30 14:27:18	sam__	its fine now because this coffee shop im in actually has a socket for charging at the table, but i was just wondering if i could get some more energy saving if i was on the road
2017-12-30 14:28:10	wz1000	sam__: yes, we could probably add an option to make it like that. I'll try to do something in the next couple of days.
2017-12-30 14:29:21	sam__	wz1000: cool
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2017-12-30 14:49:13	sam__	hie does seem to be doing a lot of stuff even when I'm not typing in vscode though
2017-12-30 14:49:49	sam__	cpu close to 200% for a while now even though it was a few minutes since my last edit
2017-12-30 14:49:54	sam__	does this sound normal?
2017-12-30 14:51:46	wz1000	no, i don't think that should happen
2017-12-30 14:53:14	sam__	is there any way to debug whats going on?
2017-12-30 14:53:17	wz1000	can you provide me with your /tmp/hie.log (or equivalent on your OSs temp directory)
2017-12-30 14:53:59	wz1000	have you built your project? If not, then hie would try to build it from scratch
2017-12-30 14:55:37	sam__	well I am using this slightly weird approach of having a stack project directory with stack scripts inside of it
2017-12-30 14:55:51	sam__	the functionality works
2017-12-30 14:56:04	sam__	but maybe that could be causing some unexpected problems
2017-12-30 14:56:13	sam__	anyway i couldnt find hie.log in /tmp or $TMPDIR
2017-12-30 14:56:39	wz1000	if you run top, what arguments are passed to hie?
2017-12-30 14:57:54	wz1000	oh yeah, you might need to run the extension in debug mode too.
2017-12-30 14:59:15	wz1000	simplest way is to clone github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server and launch it from there
2017-12-30 15:00:17	sam__	will vscode be able to figure out how to use that server instance?
2017-12-30 15:01:21	wz1000	you need to open that dir with vscode, and press F5 to launch a debug instance of the extension
2017-12-30 15:03:09	sam__	can I connect my already running instance to that then?
2017-12-30 15:03:38	sam__	the other vscode instance that is experiencing slow performance
2017-12-30 15:06:39	wz1000	You need to restart hie in any case to get the log file
2017-12-30 15:06:55	sam__	I think the whole thing was working fine when I started up vscode but after a few hours, things have gotten sourer
2017-12-30 15:07:01	wz1000	so you should close the previous instance and open your project again
2017-12-30 15:07:52	wz1000	well, I'm working on something that should improve memory and cpu usage a bit
2017-12-30 15:11:10	wz1000	alanz: I think we should remove all the stuff not about loading typechecked modules back into HIE from GhcMod.ModuleLoader.hs
2017-12-30 15:11:25	wz1000	i.e. everything after line 171 in here: https://github.com/wz1000/ghc-mod/blob/hie-integration-rebased-split-up-3/core/src/GhcMod/ModuleLoader.hs#L171
2017-12-30 15:12:03	wz1000	all that stuff is quite hie specific, and needs to change quite often
2017-12-30 15:15:04	wz1000	also I've been working on trying to replace the current newPosToOld/oldPosToNew stuff in HIE with some code that I stole from edkmett, which lives here: https://github.com/wz1000/coda-change
2017-12-30 15:15:17	wz1000	And I don't think we can put weird dependencies into ghc-mod
2017-12-30 15:29:52	sam__	there is no node engine specified for vscode-hie-server
2017-12-30 15:36:49	sam__	ok, so i shut down the vscode with the misbehaving hie instance
2017-12-30 15:37:09	sam__	running now in the "Extension Development Host" mode
2017-12-30 15:37:24	sam__	do i need to enable any flags to be able to tell whats going on if it starts getting funky again?
2017-12-30 15:41:01	wz1000	the commandline for hie in top should have something like -l /tmp/hie.log
2017-12-30 15:43:54	sam__	yep, now it is logging to /tmp/hie.log
2017-12-30 15:44:09	sam__	ok, so lets just wait for hie to go crazy again :)
2017-12-30 16:09:09	sam__	ok, so now i have another problem. the CPU usage is fine, but the error state of the file is not updated.
2017-12-30 16:10:43	wz1000	what do you mean?
2017-12-30 16:11:36	wz1000	what can you see in the output window for Language Server Haskell?
2017-12-30 16:15:26	sam__	there is an error that doesn't go away even when the script is at a point where it can be run without any errors
2017-12-30 16:15:55	sam__	I cant see much related to hie in the "DEBUG CONSOLE" in the vscode instance where I started the extension
2017-12-30 16:16:05	sam__	like nothing seems to be in there
2017-12-30 16:16:26	sam__	but if i tail -f the /tmp/hie.log, there is activity each time i edit the file
2017-12-30 16:17:18	wz1000	sam__: not the DEBUG CONSOLE, but the OUTPUT tab right next to it
2017-12-30 16:17:45	sam__	OUTPUT is empty
2017-12-30 16:17:56	wz1000	there should be a dropdown menu with options like Tasks, Search, Extensions, Language Server Haskell
2017-12-30 16:18:11	wz1000	choose Language Server Haskell
2017-12-30 16:18:50	sam__	There is only Tasks, Search, Extensions, Git, TypeScript, tslint in there
2017-12-30 16:19:14	wz1000	In the window with your hie instance?
2017-12-30 16:19:34	wz1000	not the vscode window with vscode-hie-server open
2017-12-30 16:20:14	sam__	ah sorry
2017-12-30 16:20:16	sam__	now i found it
2017-12-30 16:21:57	sam__	so there is some error related to hoogle, expected HOOGLE-5.0.13, got HOOGLE-5.0.15
2017-12-30 16:22:09	sam__	but would that break everything?
2017-12-30 16:22:29	sam__	then there is an error like this from about 30 minutes ago
2017-12-30 16:22:36	sam__	[Error - 7:18:15 PM] Request textDocument/completion failed.
2017-12-30 16:22:36	sam__	  Message: IdeError {ideCode = PluginError, ideMessage = "getCompletions: \"module not loaded\"", ideInfo = Null}
2017-12-30 16:22:38	wz1000	is hover etc. working?
2017-12-30 16:22:39	sam__	  Code: -32603 
2017-12-30 16:23:24	sam__	currently almost nothing seems to work
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2017-12-30 16:24:14	wz1000	I think your hie might have crashed because of the hoogle failure
2017-12-30 16:24:38	wz1000	can you send the contents of your output window and /tmp/hie.log to me?
2017-12-30 16:25:13	sam__	how should I send it to you?
2017-12-30 16:25:27	wz1000	lpaste.net ?
2017-12-30 16:25:28	sam__	hie.log is already 9105 lines long
2017-12-30 16:28:35	sam__	http 413 request entity too large
2017-12-30 16:28:47	sam__	i'll try to shave off some crap from hie.log
2017-12-30 16:29:43	sam__	ill grab 1000 lines from the start and 1000 lines from the end as a first attempt
2017-12-30 16:33:00	sam__	http://lpaste.net/4957201066350346240
2017-12-30 16:33:05	sam__	thanks for waiting
2017-12-30 16:35:01	wz1000	sam__: ok, hie crashed because of the hoogle thing
2017-12-30 16:35:40	wz1000	try putting hoogle-5.0.15 in the extra deps of the stack.yaml and recompiling hie
2017-12-30 16:37:07	sam__	wz1000: ok
2017-12-30 16:37:42	wz1000	i will put in a check for this so that HIE doesn't crash the next time hoogle is updated
2017-12-30 16:38:14	sam__	wait, do i have to recompile hie? or just do a stack install hoogle or stack build again?
2017-12-30 16:38:42	wz1000	sam__: you need to recompile HIE after putting hoogle-5.0.15 in the extra deps of the stack.yaml file you are using to build hie
2017-12-30 16:39:12	sam__	i thought hoogle was independent of hie?
2017-12-30 16:39:22	wz1000	sam__: alternatively, you can simply delete the hoogle db in your .stack-work and hie should work
2017-12-30 16:39:35	wz1000	HIE uses hoogle as a libary
2017-12-30 16:39:42	wz1000	*library
2017-12-30 16:40:10	wz1000	so hoogle is "baked into" hie
2017-12-30 16:40:14	sam__	ah i see
2017-12-30 16:40:44	sam__	the hoogle thing mentioned in the hie gh readme was just for generating the hoogle db, and this part we are talking about now is for accessing that DB?
2017-12-30 16:41:11	wz1000	yes
2017-12-30 16:41:52	wz1000	btw, you don't need hoogle for docs on hover, if you haddock built
2017-12-30 16:42:13	wz1000	(which you should have, seeing as you ran stack hoogle)
2017-12-30 16:42:53	sam__	so just to clarify things, my hie was built with a dependency on hoogle-5.0.13, but when i just did stack hoogle in my project dir, it automatically installed a hoogle 5.0.15?
2017-12-30 16:43:02	wz1000	If on hover, you see two links(Documentation and Source, which open in a sidepane in vscode itself), that means your docs are comming from haddocks, not hoogle
2017-12-30 16:43:04	wz1000	yes
2017-12-30 16:43:08	sam__	gotcha
2017-12-30 16:43:16	sam__	feels nice to understand! :)
2017-12-30 16:43:29	sam__	thanks for being so responsive
2017-12-30 16:43:31	wz1000	gotta go for a bit
2017-12-30 16:43:35	sam__	no problem
2017-12-30 16:44:29	sam__	but wouldnt the best solution be to add hie into your project so that it would be tied to the same stackage snapshot so you wouldnt have version inconsistencies like this
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2017-12-30 21:09:17	ggVGc	is hie supposed to pick up ghc options when checking?
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2017-12-31 13:26:53	sam__	wz1000: you here? I still wasn't able to get vscode-hie into a working state even after recompiling hie with the updated hoogle version
2017-12-31 13:29:06	sam__	I think the whole thing failed with this error:
2017-12-31 13:29:08	sam__	hie: /Users/sam/.stack/snapshots/x86_64-osx/lts-9.14/8.0.2/pkgdb/package.cache: GHC.PackageDb.readPackageDb: inappropriate type (not enough bytes)
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2017-12-31 13:38:02	wz1000	sam__: you need to put the hoogle-5.0.15 into the stack.yaml you are using. In your case, that should be the stack-8.0.2.yaml . Then recompile with stack install --stack-yaml=stack-8.0.2.yaml
2017-12-31 13:39:48	wz1000	That error means there is a ghc version mismatch between what hie was compiled with and your project
2017-12-31 13:43:18	sam__	oh
2017-12-31 13:45:14	sam__	retrying
2017-12-31 13:50:53	sam__	its getting a bit crazy when trying that
2017-12-31 13:51:02	sam__	haskell-src-exts is causing problems
2017-12-31 13:53:05	wz1000	sam__: yes, you need to put the reccommended version of haskell-src-exts in extra deps too
2017-12-31 13:56:20	wz1000	sam__: ok, that wont work. try removing the database.hoo file from your .stack-work
2017-12-31 13:56:39	wz1000	you shouldn't need it any way since you probably have haddocks built
2017-12-31 14:00:15	wz1000	(its the file hie tells you its using as the hoogle db)
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2017-12-31 14:54:55	sam__	so do i need to rebuild hie at all?
2017-12-31 14:55:17	sam__	i was getting some conflicting recommendations for what to put in extra-depends for haskell-src-exts
2017-12-31 15:25:40	alanz	wz1000: I am home again, should be more available from now on
2017-12-31 15:25:58	alanz	But I am focusing on updating ghc-exactprint for GHC 8.4.1, as my main priority
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2017-12-31 15:32:25	wz1000	alanz: did you see my messages regarding ghc-mod?
2017-12-31 15:32:45	alanz	yes, but have not had time to process them
2017-12-31 15:33:14	alanz	I know the ekmett stuff exists, and he is doing some good stuff that we need to move over some time, but have not looked into the details
2017-12-31 15:33:45	alanz	The main point of the ModuleLoader is that it can be used by HIE standalone, which then seamlessly integrates into hie
2017-12-31 15:33:56	alanz	so long as we still have that, moving stuff out is fine
2017-12-31 15:39:21	wz1000	alanz: I've been talking with edkmett about position mapping for the last couple of months, and have extracted the functionality we need for hie in a separate package.
2017-12-31 15:39:37	alanz	nice
2017-12-31 15:40:01	alanz	Because it means we can go relative, which is a requirement for the incremental parser
2017-12-31 15:40:14	wz1000	no, this is something separate
2017-12-31 15:40:15	alanz	Its a nice technique, he showed me at ICFP
2017-12-31 15:40:24	alanz	ok
2017-12-31 15:40:53	wz1000	this is about replacing the newPosToOld/oldPosToNew stuff with something more efficient and robust
2017-12-31 15:41:23	wz1000	he just put it into the coda package so he could reuse the vocabulary he was already building for coda
2017-12-31 15:41:31	wz1000	but it is otherwise unrelated to it
2017-12-31 15:41:33	alanz	ok, great
2017-12-31 15:41:54	alanz	It is nice to have a greenfield implementation for reference, especially when done by him
2017-12-31 15:42:26	wz1000	yeah, so putting it into HIE would require some changes to the ModuleCache stuff
2017-12-31 15:42:34	wz1000	that is currently in ghc-mod
2017-12-31 15:43:31	wz1000	but that stuff is very tightly interwoven with HIE, so it makes sense to move it back in HIE itself
2017-12-31 15:43:34	alanz	ok, sounds fine. It exists for us, basically, and to allow easy integration of tools into hie
2017-12-31 15:43:59	alanz	As I said, so long as I can use the module loader standalone in HaRe we are fine
2017-12-31 15:44:24	alanz	Where HaRe is a proxy for any other tool that uses ghc-mod, and can be standalone or used in hie
2017-12-31 15:44:30	alanz	e.g. brittany too
2017-12-31 15:44:50	alanz	BTW, something else to keep an eye on: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-dap
2017-12-31 15:44:52	wz1000	yes, you should be able to. the stuff I'm removing is very HIE specific
2017-12-31 15:44:56	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/ghc-mod/blob/hie-integration-rebased-split-up-3/core/src/GhcMod/ModuleLoader.hs#L171
2017-12-31 15:45:19	wz1000	I'm thinking of removing all the stuff from that line onwards
2017-12-31 15:46:09	alanz	Isn't the point of the ModuleLoader to get the tools to share the cached module?
2017-12-31 15:46:47	alanz	If HaRe asks for a TypeCheckedModule, will it get the one used in hie? when it is running as a HIE plugin?
2017-12-31 15:46:53	alanz	After your change, that is?
2017-12-31 15:47:22	wz1000	IIRC, HaRe uses the vanilla GHC TypecheckedModule
2017-12-31 15:47:44	wz1000	The CachedModule contains a lot of HIE specific stuff
2017-12-31 15:47:59	alanz	I know, because my todo list is still to improve efficiency by using the shared one
2017-12-31 15:48:25	alanz	So if we do a split, we need to layer it in such a way that the caching works
2017-12-31 15:49:02	alanz	But maybe we should focus on getting it to work, and then see what the best layering is, for a fine-tune
2017-12-31 15:49:28	wz1000	the HaRe TypecheckedModule is a subset of the HIE CachedModule. So we can always extract the TypecheckedModule from the CachedModule and provide it to HaRe
2017-12-31 15:49:48	alanz	sounds good. That is how it was originally, IIRC
2017-12-31 15:50:11	wz1000	yes, I think we will only figure that stuff out once we start working on integrating HaRe
2017-12-31 15:50:21	alanz	agree
2017-12-31 15:51:53	alanz	First run of ghc-exactprint tests for GHC 8.4: Cases: 1765  Tried: 1765  Errors: 44  Failures: 48
2017-12-31 15:51:59	alanz	not too bad :)
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2017-12-31 16:08:57	wz1000	those are a ton of test
2017-12-31 16:08:59	wz1000	s
2017-12-31 16:09:25	alanz	yes, and I still have to bring over the new tests for the GHC 8.4 stuff
2017-12-31 16:09:38	alanz	and then do a round-trip test of current hackage
2017-12-31 16:09:42	alanz	*then* I am done
2017-12-31 16:10:06	alanz	but the process is getting easier over time
2017-12-31 16:10:20	wz1000	what machine do you do the round trip on? because I assume that takes a lot of time
2017-12-31 16:10:45	alanz	currently my own laptop, and it does. Around 6 hours
2017-12-31 16:11:03	wz1000	hmm, thats less than I would have thought
2017-12-31 16:11:09	alanz	Maybe I should ask bgamari if he can give me resources for that
2017-12-31 16:11:31	alanz	mpickering spend a *lot* of time optimising the speed of that process, when he originally wrote it
2017-12-31 16:11:47	alanz	don't forget, we only parse for the round trip test
2017-12-31 16:14:33	wz1000	I assume you could probablly do it in parrallel. So if you have a 24 core machine, you get a 24x speedup
2017-12-31 16:15:19	alanz	possibly, have not really looked into it. But I think memory becomes the limit, some of the files are big, with all the annotations
2017-12-31 16:15:44	alanz	especially when you get to the autogenerated ones, like the output of uhc
2017-12-31 16:16:05	alanz	its manageable though
2017-12-31 16:31:18	mpickering	I think invoking the ghc parser is quite slow somehow though
2017-12-31 16:31:25	mpickering	as I did it with haskell-src-exts and it was much faster
2017-12-31 16:43:07	alanz	interesting
2017-12-31 16:43:40	alanz	mpickering: does HSE use a happy/alex parser?
2017-12-31 16:44:09	mpickering	It uses a happy parser
2017-12-31 16:44:12	mpickering	but not an alex lexer
2017-12-31 16:44:38	alanz	ok
2017-12-31 16:44:57	alanz	Any idea what the main contributor to speed difference is?
2017-12-31 16:45:13	alanz	and what the magnitude is? double?
2017-12-31 16:49:30	mpickering	no, but it might be because of having to initialise the ghc monad on each parse?
2017-12-31 16:49:37	mpickering	or "initDynFlags"
2017-12-31 16:49:43	mpickering	I'm not sure how the pieces fit together atm
2017-12-31 16:51:37	alanz	I am pretty rusty too
2017-12-31 16:52:08	alanz	Will take a look some time. IIRC, the parser flags are now separate from Dynflags, so that should be simpler
2017-12-31 17:09:51	alanz	down to 4 failures :)
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2017-12-31 19:13:22	alanz	and zero failures. That was easier than I expected
2017-12-31 19:27:35	sam__	i still have a broken hie right now
2017-12-31 19:28:08	sam__	i tried `rm -rf .stack-work/hoogle` but still keep getting this message:
2017-12-31 19:28:11	sam__	hie: /Users/sam/.stack/snapshots/x86_64-osx/lts-9.14/8.0.2/pkgdb/package.cache: GHC.PackageDb.readPackageDb: inappropriate type (not enough bytes)
2017-12-31 19:31:02	alanz	that sounds like you have the wrong version of cabal/cabal-install
2017-12-31 19:31:13	alanz	try "stack install cabal-install"
2017-12-31 19:34:25	sam__	what do you mean by wrong? who is using cabal/cabal-install in this case?
2017-12-31 19:35:08	alanz	I have no idea, but that warning seems to be like something I recall from when cabal updated some time ago
2017-12-31 19:35:16	alanz	I could be completely wrong
2017-12-31 19:39:22	sam__	isnt cabal-install the cabal tool?
2017-12-31 19:41:52	wz1000	sam__: you still have the wrong version of hie compiled. Did you compile it with stack-8.0.2.yaml?
2017-12-31 19:42:01	wz1000	and did you remember to install it?
2017-12-31 19:44:15	sam__	wz1000: i got confused when trying to install using stack-8.0.2.yaml
2017-12-31 19:44:23	sam__	i was getting mixed signals
2017-12-31 19:45:54	sam__	"add haskell-src-exts-1.20.1 to your extra-depends", followed by "add haskell-src-exts-1.19.1 to your extra-depends"
2017-12-31 19:46:01	sam__	is that ok?
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2017-12-31 23:40:29	alanz	8485 test haskell files in ghc-8.4
2017-12-31 23:40:38	alanz	checking which ones fail.
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2018-01-01 05:22:41	dpren	how can I view logs from hie? such as the U.logs in LspStdio.hs
2018-01-01 05:23:56	dpren	I tried running the vscode client with `# hie --lsp -d -l /tmp/hie.log $@`, but it just caused crashes
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2018-01-01 08:24:42	sam_	wz1000: I was never able to rebuild hie using stack-8.0.2.yaml and with hoogle-5.0.15, it creates a conflict between versions 1.19.1 and 1.20.1 for haskell-src-exts
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2018-01-01 14:08:20	sam_	wz1000: you happen to be online? i still didnt figure out how to get hie working again.
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2018-01-02 13:05:54	--	Topic for #haskell-ide-engine is "https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine. Still not an IDE. | Logs at http://ircbrowse.net/haskell-ide-engine | API Docs  https://haskell.github.io/haskell-ide-engine/ | POC Hierarchical menus in emacs https://i.imgur.com/n7M9ye2.png | POC leksah integration using https://github.com/JPMoresmau/leksah-server/tree/hie_integration and  https://github.com/leksah/leksah/tree/hie_integr"
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2018-01-02 19:58:02	sam_	wz1000: sorry to bother you again. my hie somehow refuses to work at the moment. I was never able to rebuild it using 8.0.2 because of a version conflict for haskell-src-exts 1.19.1 vs 1.20.1
2018-01-02 20:07:15	alanz	sam_: are you building this with stack? It should just build
2018-01-02 20:08:41	wz1000	sam_: remove the modifications to your stack.yaml
2018-01-02 20:09:11	wz1000	Just delete the hoogle db in your .stack-work/
2018-01-02 20:09:19	sam_	ah right
2018-01-02 20:10:25	sam_	"setup: The program 'cabal' is required but it could not be found." <- isnt this something stack should be able to sort out?
2018-01-02 20:11:24	alanz	stack install cabal-install
2018-01-02 20:11:39	 *	alanz or have I said that already?
2018-01-02 20:12:19	sam_	well i thought you can probably do it like that, but its kind of unclear how that fits with the stack philosophy.
2018-01-02 20:12:40	sam_	i thought stack was all about nailing down every dependency and not randomly installing some binary to your system.
2018-01-02 20:16:20	alanz	I am a drive-by stack user, so can't comment on that. But if the exe is missing, that will bring it in
2018-01-02 20:17:06	sam_	you use cabal mainly?
2018-01-02 20:25:56	alanz	yes
2018-01-02 20:26:12	alanz	and dabble with stack.
2018-01-02 20:26:41	alanz	basically use whatever gets the job done for what I am trying to do at the time
2018-01-02 20:30:21	sam_	had to fiddle with some extra include dirs for this icu system dependency on macos
2018-01-02 20:31:05	sam_	the great thing as i understand about stack is that it should give you reproducible builds
2018-01-02 20:33:53	alanz	I agree, but there is some weird stuff going on in hie, because it has to support both stack and cabal, so brings in cabal-helper and ghc-mod
2018-01-02 20:39:03	sam_	right, no problem
2018-01-02 20:39:10	sam_	ok finally managed to rebuild hie with 8.0.2
2018-01-02 20:39:15	sam_	lets give it another try
2018-01-02 20:57:48	sam_	yay, seems to be back in working order! thanks guys
2018-01-02 20:59:13	alanz	great
2018-01-02 20:59:33	alanz	Is there anything you can add to the README as a PR based on your experiences?
2018-01-02 21:01:12	sam_	well, first of all its a bit unclear to me why i needed to build using the 8.0.2.yaml file, is it based on my stack version or based on my stackage snapshot?
2018-01-02 21:05:13	sam_	aah, now my productivity is restored
2018-01-02 21:05:33	sam_	i had restorted to :r in a ghci session while my hie was broken
2018-01-02 21:06:08	alanz	the GHC version that hie was compiled with has to match the GHC used in your project
2018-01-02 21:06:28	alanz	so your project is using a snapshot that specifies GHC 8.0.2
2018-01-02 21:06:38	alanz	In time we will autodetect, but not yet
2018-01-02 21:12:23	sam_	actually i just specified some stackage snapshot without really thinking about which ghc version it's using
2018-01-02 21:15:20	sam_	oh but yeah its using 8.0.2
2018-01-02 21:19:05	sam_	aah, its so beautiful now when it works
2018-01-02 21:19:20	sam_	this is the best coding experience ive ever had with Haskell
2018-01-02 21:19:45	sam_	would be great if everybody put all their eggs in the HIE basket
2018-01-02 21:34:12	alanz	thats the idea
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2018-01-03 04:44:55	ajmccluskey[m]	Hey alanz , do you have any projects that might suit a Summer of Haskell student? Organization proposals open soon, and student proposals open in March, so if there's a project you could use help with then it'll probably boost your chances of getting help if you can get it out soon. I'm not (yet) familiar with haskell-ide-engine, but I'm happy to help with the proposal process if you've got an idea.
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2018-01-03 11:28:20	alanz	ajmccluskey[m]: yes, I believe the ideas must be in quite soon (or rather representative ones, for organisation approval). I will be taking a look during today at it
2018-01-03 11:33:32	ajmccluskey[m]	alanz: awesome :).
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2018-01-03 12:11:48	sam_	a thousand thanks again to wz1000 and alanz for working on this project and for helping me out with getting the plugin to work. it makes it a pleasure to code haskell.
2018-01-03 12:12:23	alanz	sam_: its good to see people actually use it, thanks
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2018-01-03 12:34:27	sam_	does it work well also for "bigger" projects?
2018-01-03 12:34:41	sam_	i currently am just doing small single file programs for advent of code 2017
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2018-01-03 12:47:42	alanz	sam_: we use it on hie itself
2018-01-03 12:53:08	sam_	how many people are working on hie? and what is the current community support for it like?
2018-01-03 12:53:45	alanz	not enough, and not good enough
2018-01-03 12:54:01	alanz	About 3 part time
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2018-01-04 05:18:58	ajmccluskey[m]	alanz: Me and possibly others in my team are interested in getting involved soon FYI.
2018-01-04 05:19:27	ajmccluskey[m]	I'm currently playing with getting HIE building and working on projects as a first step.
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2018-01-04 09:27:13	ajmccluskey[m]	Progress! Have hie working with VS Code in NixOS. Unfortunately only with GHC 8.2.2, and only after commenting out the test suite because it couldn't satisfy the constraint on the library being tested.
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2018-01-04 12:42:37	alanz	ajmccluskey[m]: thats great
2018-01-04 12:43:09	alanz	Having someone with a nix setup will definitely help get that support working well.
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2018-01-05 15:46:11	saurabhnanda	is there a lens to wrap any newtype?
2018-01-05 15:46:28	saurabhnanda	sorry, is there a lens to wrap/unwrap any newtype?
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2018-01-05 16:41:20	saurabhnanda	sorry, wrong channel :)
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2018-01-05 23:35:22	dpren	anyone on? I've got a Q
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2018-01-06 18:48:05	--	Notice(GitHub187): haskell-ide-engine/master 560c586 Darren Prentice: Update README.md...
2018-01-06 18:48:05	--	Notice(GitHub187): haskell-ide-engine/master 4b85887 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #437 from dpren/master...
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2018-01-09 00:24:47	dpren	anyone on? I'm wondering how to enable logging
2018-01-09 00:49:48	alanz	dpren: what client are you using?
2018-01-09 00:49:55	dpren	vscode
2018-01-09 00:50:14	dpren	 tried running the vscode client with `# hie --lsp -d -l /tmp/hie.log $@`, but it caused crashes
2018-01-09 00:50:33	alanz	are you on windows?
2018-01-09 00:50:58	dpren	macOS
2018-01-09 00:52:02	alanz	if you just run that command from a shell, what happens?
2018-01-09 00:52:13	alanz	i.e. hie --lsp -d -l /tmp/hie.log
2018-01-09 00:53:07	alanz	it should just hang, and if you ctrl-C it, you should have something in /tmp/hie.log
2018-01-09 00:53:47	dpren	ok yeah, that worked
2018-01-09 00:54:37	alanz	ok, and you need to remove the # from that line in hie-vscode, and add it to the other one
2018-01-09 00:54:46	alanz	hie-vscode.sh, that is
2018-01-09 00:55:51	dpren	oh woops, didnt mean to paste the #
2018-01-09 00:55:53	alanz	i.e. it should be http://lpaste.net/3697431796305100800
2018-01-09 00:57:14	dpren	right so when I do this I get an error msg "The Language Server Haskell server crashed 5 times in the last 3 minutes. The server will not be restarted."
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2018-01-09 00:58:19	alanz	sounds like something is wrong in your script.
2018-01-09 00:58:29	alanz	What happens if you invoke it from the CLI?
2018-01-09 00:58:57	dpren	from the CLI it worked fine, like you described
2018-01-09 00:59:45	dpren	http://lpaste.net/361467
2018-01-09 00:59:53	alanz	i.e. invoke hie-vscode.sh from the CLI
2018-01-09 00:59:58	dpren	oh
2018-01-09 01:00:07	dpren	I 'll try that
2018-01-09 01:00:10	alanz	the one you edited. Sorry, did not make myself clear
2018-01-09 01:01:52	dpren	ok yeah, that seemed to work fine
2018-01-09 01:02:07	alanz	then I have no idea
2018-01-09 01:02:22	dpren	I'll look into it
2018-01-09 01:02:56	dpren	at least I know now I'm seeing the problem correctly
2018-01-09 01:03:12	alanz	good
2018-01-09 01:04:00	alanz	it may be you need to put a full path to the executable into the script, if the macos path does not have it, when running under vscode
2018-01-09 01:05:21	dpren	yeah something along those lines I'm guessing
2018-01-09 01:12:07	dpren	alanz: it looks like the args are already being set via `serverOptions` in extension.ts ?
2018-01-09 01:12:54	alanz	really? Let me take a look
2018-01-09 01:13:53	dpren	hah, okay I guess it was working all along then
2018-01-09 01:14:55	alanz	ok, then there would have been no need to mess with the hie-vscode,sh file.
2018-01-09 01:15:25	alanz	There have been some updates to the plugin, from people who know what they are doing
2018-01-09 01:16:51	dpren	is there a way to view the logs in real time? or do you have to kill the server to read them
2018-01-09 01:18:36	alanz	Just "tail -F /tmp/hie.log" from a shell window, is what I do
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2018-01-09 23:52:45	wz1000	alanz: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/c8fc083c26bb82e0cfa64059b8ac5214
2018-01-09 23:53:36	alanz	wz1000: looks good
2018-01-09 23:53:56	alanz	I was just thinking about the very weak test suite earlier today
2018-01-09 23:54:22	alanz	And I think we have a way forward on getting cabal-helper and ghc-mod-core onto hackage/stackage
2018-01-09 23:55:55	alanz	wz1000: would you be prepared to be a mentor/co-mentor?
2018-01-09 23:56:27	wz1000	I can definitely help out
2018-01-09 23:57:07	wz1000	but can I be a mentor if I am participating as student myself 
2018-01-09 23:58:29	alanz	No idea. It will be an interesting question to check out. I don't see why it should be a problem
2018-01-09 23:58:48	alanz	And realistically, I am pretty sure you are going to be involved, some way or another
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2018-01-10 01:01:14	dpren	does hie/ghc-mod do incremental compilation on updates?
2018-01-10 01:14:49	alanz	dpren: it receives updates, and reloads the whole file.
2018-01-10 01:15:07	alanz	I intend making the compilation incremental, but it is a long task
2018-01-10 01:15:47	alanz	WIP: https://github.com/alanz/happy/tree/incremental
2018-01-10 01:16:30	dpren	cool
2018-01-10 01:17:38	alanz	but that is in the Q behind the Trees That Grow update for GHC (which it needs)
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2018-01-11 09:54:21	wz1000	dpren: hey, I saw your email. I'll be available here from around UTC 10:30 to 20:00, so ping me anytime you're free
2018-01-11 10:01:50	wz1000	I would start by changing the type of the function to IdeM from IdeGhcM and removing all ghc api calls
2018-01-11 10:04:13	wz1000	ideally, we want to extract all the info we need from the typechecked module itself, and not make any ghc api calls(as we have a dedicated thread for those)
2018-01-11 10:04:27	wz1000	any info not in the typechecked module should be added to it.
2018-01-11 10:04:57	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/ghc-mod/blob/hie-integration-rebased-split-up-3/core/src/GhcMod/ModuleLoader.hs#L171
2018-01-11 10:05:29	wz1000	^ That is where you can take a look at the core HIE state
2018-01-11 10:07:26	wz1000	So any extra data you might need would go there
2018-01-11 10:07:56	wz1000	Either inside cachedData(if possible), or as another field in CachedModule
2018-01-11 10:09:11	wz1000	the IdeM monad has access to the HIE state, but can't make ghc api calls.
2018-01-11 10:09:19	wz1000	Only the IdeGhcM monad can do that
2018-01-11 10:10:40	wz1000	and we reserve one thread for the IdeGhcM monad that should only be used for long running tasks(compilation etc.)
2018-01-11 10:11:29	wz1000	So code in IdeGhcM would fetch the data from ghc, and the compeletion system would ideally only read it inside IdeM
2018-01-11 10:16:20	wz1000	Also, for speed purposes, it might be a good idea to use a prefix tree kind of structure to cache all availalble completions to make queries faster
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2018-01-11 15:37:13	wz1000	saurabhnanda: if you ever have time, could you build hie with profiling and send be the results if/when you encounter a large memory leak?
2018-01-11 15:37:31	saurabhnanda	wz1000: with profiling means? the GHC level profiling?
2018-01-11 15:37:39	wz1000	yes. stack install haskell-ide-engine --executable-profiling --library-profiling --ghc-options="-fprof-auto -rtsopts"
2018-01-11 15:37:39	saurabhnanda	wz1000: or the branch you shared with me last time?
2018-01-11 15:37:43	wz1000	no
2018-01-11 15:38:05	saurabhnanda	wz1000: will I need to recompile ALL transitive depdendencies with profiling enabled?
2018-01-11 15:39:02	wz1000	I think so. It took more than an hour for me yesterday
2018-01-11 15:39:39	wz1000	and ghc panics a lot when you compile with profilling
2018-01-11 15:40:09	wz1000	saurabhnanda: alternatively, have you discovered a way to reliable get hie to leak large amounts of memory?
2018-01-11 15:40:27	wz1000	*reliably
2018-01-11 15:40:29	saurabhnanda	wz1000: yes, just work with our code base :)
2018-01-11 15:40:50	saurabhnanda	wz1000: if you cross your heart and hope to die, I can share our codebase with you
2018-01-11 15:41:21	wz1000	because I spent yesterday adding and deleting random lines of code and could only increase memory usage by a couple of hundred mb
2018-01-11 15:42:07	wz1000	HIE with profiling is extremely slow anyway. I think my machine will crap out if I try to run it on any project of significant size.
2018-01-11 15:42:47	wz1000	and ghc keeps panicing
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2018-01-13 14:47:04	sam___	Hello, was there already an option added to VSCode for only checking on save?
2018-01-13 15:21:42	alanz	sam___: I don't think so. Maybe create an issue on https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server
2018-01-13 15:21:59	alanz	It sounds like a good idea, too.
2018-01-13 15:23:51	sam___	alanz: Ok. Will do.
2018-01-13 15:26:01	sam___	https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/issues/39
2018-01-13 15:27:20	sam___	out of curiosity, how well does the "language server protocol" fit a functional language like haskell?
2018-01-13 15:28:03	alanz	The big bits fit fine, you still have to save, generate diagnostics, get info on hover, etc
2018-01-13 15:28:41	alanz	Other things not so much, as they have e.g. an enumerated type for what things are that is pretty OO oriented.
2018-01-13 15:28:54	alanz	But (so far) it seems to work well enough
2018-01-13 15:29:29	alanz	Like anything, you compromise between ubiquity and specific functionality. I would love to the the equivalent of idris mode or agda mode in emacs.
2018-01-13 15:31:28	sam___	alanz: ah yeah i was kind of expecting some OOP bias
2018-01-13 15:32:22	alanz	But there are starting to be mainstream FP languages too, like F#, so I am not too worried about the bias being too damaging
2018-01-13 15:32:36	sam___	yeah I thought about that too
2018-01-13 15:32:53	sam___	I really like all ML languages I've used in general
2018-01-13 15:35:32	sam___	are you working with haskell as your day job as well?
2018-01-13 15:37:37	alanz	Starting to. I have a team I am bringing up to speed on haskell, and we are starting to use it in anger at last.
2018-01-13 15:42:01	sam___	are you doing consulting for clients or working on in-house stuff?
2018-01-13 15:46:43	alanz	in-house stuff. I had my fill of consulting/contracting some time back, you are always at war with your customer
2018-01-13 15:47:04	alanz	So we build and run our own stuff, and provide a service
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2018-01-13 16:20:35	alanz	wz1000: Please comment on https://github.com/haskell-org/summer-of-haskell/pull/36
2018-01-13 16:20:40	alanz	And of course anyone else too
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2018-01-13 16:54:31	wz1000	alanz: looks good
2018-01-13 16:54:41	wz1000	difficulty can be easy-medium
2018-01-13 16:56:34	wz1000	alanz: btw, would trees that grow benefit from a hsoc project?
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2018-01-13 17:38:22	alanz	wz1000: I'm not sure. I think Shayan may be getting some funding to work on it more full-time.
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2018-01-13 17:38:41	alanz	And I am happy to carry on, having taken it this far
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2018-01-14 23:26:21	chrono-fa	▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ PLEASE GO TO #FREENODE AND REMIND TRELANE HOW MUCH OF TOOL HE IS LOOK HERE ===> https://zerobin.net/?cd8099d655af8901#kauJm+pk86X/k9GeT0XVvFAqdGNsC/ofdo0pm+SR99c=  dwnkw: jackhill alanz ocharles ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
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2018-01-14 23:26:31	chrono-fa	▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ PLEASE GO TO #FREENODE AND REMIND TRELANE HOW MUCH OF TOOL HE IS LOOK HERE ===> https://zerobin.net/?cd8099d655af8901#kauJm+pk86X/k9GeT0XVvFAqdGNsC/ofdo0pm+SR99c=  bwjwk: eacameron rizary gspia ▄▄▄▄
2018-01-14 23:26:36	chrono-fa	▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ PLEASE GO TO #FREENODE AND REMIND TRELANE HOW MUCH OF TOOL HE IS LOOK HERE ===> https://zerobin.net/?cd8099d655af8901#kauJm+pk86X/k9GeT0XVvFAqdGNsC/ofdo0pm+SR99c=  vtfiesln: sz0 kriztw Gurkenglas_ ▄▄▄▄▄▄
2018-01-14 23:26:42	chrono-fa	▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ PLEASE GO TO #FREENODE AND REMIND TRELANE HOW MUCH OF TOOL HE IS LOOK HERE ===> https://zerobin.net/?cd8099d655af8901#kauJm+pk86X/k9GeT0XVvFAqdGNsC/ofdo0pm+SR99c=  bgdxekvr: infinisil d-fish sam___ ▄▄▄▄
2018-01-14 23:26:45	d-fish	?
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2018-01-14 23:26:57	chrono-fa	▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ PLEASE GO TO #FREENODE AND REMIND TRELANE HOW MUCH OF TOOL HE IS LOOK HERE ===> https://zerobin.net/?cd8099d655af8901#kauJm+pk86X/k9GeT0XVvFAqdGNsC/ofdo0pm+SR99c=  cavtk: ajmccluskey[m] Gurkenglas_ cocreature ▄▄▄▄▄â–
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2018-01-14 23:28:10	carter	alanz: y’all got spam :(
2018-01-14 23:28:44	alanz	I guess I need to kick that person. How do I become operator?
2018-01-14 23:28:55	lierdakil[m]	they already left
2018-01-14 23:29:07	lierdakil[m]	that's usually how it works -_-
2018-01-14 23:29:23	alanz	its coming across most of the irc channels I am subscribed to
2018-01-14 23:29:51	lierdakil[m]	well, apparently some drama. ignore it for a bit and it'll go away I guess.
2018-01-14 23:30:40	alanz	except this generic stuff has been going on for a number of days now. I guess the freenode people will do something, at some point
2018-01-14 23:36:00	Unode	alanz: I suspect it's not so much a 'do something' but more of an inability to prevent this without affecting other users. Apart from k-lines and such which are already in-place.
2018-01-14 23:36:26	carter	I think you can request the spam proxtion.
2018-01-14 23:36:52	carter	https://github.com/freenode/Sigyn/blob/master/README.md
2018-01-14 23:37:08	carter	I think you can ask for that bot ?
2018-01-14 23:39:27	alanz	So I should be able to be operator, but I don't know the spell
2018-01-14 23:52:45	lierdakil[m]	alanz: ask chanserv to make you op I guess?
2018-01-14 23:53:18	alanz	I am trying to work out how to do that. But there seem to be about 5 different kinds.
2018-01-14 23:53:44	alanz	There must be a cheatsheet out there somewhere, I will keep looking
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2018-01-15 00:05:40	Unode	alanz: /msg chanserv op #haskell-ide-engine alanz 
2018-01-15 00:06:31	alanz	I just did that, I don't have power. And info says I am founder, and mode lock -nc
2018-01-15 00:06:47	alanz	So presumably I should be able to power up. Somehow.
2018-01-15 00:07:30	alanz	I get "You are not authorized to (de)op alanz on #haskell-ide-engine."
2018-01-15 00:11:55	alanz	And "access list" says I have +AFRefiorstv
2018-01-15 00:12:06	alanz	where presumably o means operator.
2018-01-15 00:15:24	alanz	And I think I am not properly authenticated. I see NickServ says I have an invalid password. 
2018-01-15 00:20:36	Unode	alanz: that might be the reason. /msg nickserv and things should improve
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2018-01-15 00:38:07	alanz	agree. 
2018-01-15 00:46:10	--	Mode #haskell-ide-engine [+o alanz] by ChanServ
2018-01-15 00:53:19	@alanz	ok, I invited Sigyn, waiting for staff
2018-01-15 01:05:02	--	Mode #haskell-ide-engine [-o alanz] by ChanServ
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2018-01-15 04:59:24	carter	alanz:  let me know how it goes
2018-01-15 04:59:26	carter	i know nothing :) 
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2018-01-15 18:25:50	wz1000	alanz: btw, we can use hie with +RTS -N4 to run hie with 4 cores
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2018-01-15 18:50:52	alanz	wz1000, I guess we could add that to the vscode client config. Will it use them though? I reckon 2 would make sense
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2018-01-15 18:52:33	wz1000	alanz: yes, hie built with profiling can max out all of my four cores 
2018-01-15 18:52:58	alanz	that is profiling though, all bets are off
2018-01-15 18:54:24	wz1000	hie has loads of threads though, so ghc should be able to automatically use multiple cores for them (as long as +RTS -N(>1)) is set
2018-01-15 18:57:20	alanz	yes, but basically too. The one used at the back for GHC stuff, and the one for the main loop. There *are* more, but I think they all hand off to each other.
2018-01-15 18:57:24	alanz	two
2018-01-15 18:58:00	alanz	And what does help is to have an extra one for GC. So I reckon best bang for buck would be either 2 or three. But would have to experiment
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2018-01-15 20:18:03	mpickering	Has anyone figured out how to setup hie with nix?
2018-01-15 20:20:11	alanz	Some people are doing something along that line, not sure who.
2018-01-15 20:27:18	mpickering	ok I'll have a look
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2018-01-15 21:25:04	bgamari	mpickering, isn't there an hie-packages.nix somewhere in nixpkgs?
2018-01-15 21:25:14	bgamari	mpickering, I recall noticing such a thing somewhere
2018-01-15 21:53:50	alanz	If you guys find something, please make a PR on the README for hie
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2018-01-16 06:23:44	ajmccluskey[m]	mpickering: I managed to get HIE working with VS Code in Nix as an experiment.
2018-01-16 06:24:20	ajmccluskey[m]	My colleague informed me that since then you should be able to find `haskellPackages.haskell-ide-engine` in unstable
2018-01-16 06:24:52	ajmccluskey[m]	From memory I had to build both my project and HIE using GHC 8.2.2 for everything to compile.
2018-01-16 06:25:23	ajmccluskey[m]	If I get time later this week I'll hopefully be able to repeat it and write up what I did.
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2018-01-16 06:38:31	infinisil	ajmccluskey[m]: yeah HIE just got added to nixpkgs recently :D
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2018-01-16 08:24:16	ajmccluskey[m]	infinisil: I don't think it was in unstable yet when I tried, so I was using a local clone of nixpkgs to build hie in my nix-shell.
2018-01-16 08:24:34	ajmccluskey[m]	But yes, exciting it's landed and should hopefully make things easier :)
2018-01-16 08:34:33	infinisil	I honestly have no idea what to use for haskell dev
2018-01-16 08:34:50	infinisil	I don't think HIE can be used with emacs just yet
2018-01-16 08:35:03	infinisil	and my setup with ghc-mod is really shaky
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2018-01-16 09:39:08	ajmccluskey[m]	infinisil: I use Spacemacs with dante (requires develop branch)
2018-01-16 09:39:43	ajmccluskey[m]	That with ghcid running next to it has been keeping me going for a while now.
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2018-01-16 11:31:51	alanz	infinisil: It can, if you use https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell
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2018-01-16 12:03:54	--	Notice(GitHub93): haskell-ide-engine/master b241f98 Alan Zimmerman: Updated to latest stackage nightly for GHC 8.2.2
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2018-01-16 14:42:09	infinisil	alanz: have you tried it out?
2018-01-16 14:42:33	infinisil	or has anybody tried out emacs with HIE?
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2018-01-16 15:00:39	alanz	infinisil, yes, I use it as my main editor
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2018-01-16 18:56:20	infinisil	alanz: Ohh sweet, I might ask you some questions about it in the near future then :)
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2018-01-16 18:57:10	alanz	great. I updated the install instructions earlier, they were a little out of date. And I have just sorted out a bug of messages getting ignored. I hope.
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2018-01-16 23:59:14	dpren	wz1000: got your msg, thanks
2018-01-16 23:59:51	dpren	I'm wondering where does `<--2--` log from?
2018-01-17 00:12:45	alanz	dpren, I think it comes from inside haskell-lsp
2018-01-17 00:13:04	alanz	it is a message from the server (hie) to the client (IDE)
2018-01-17 00:14:48	dpren	I see now, thanks
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2018-01-17 06:36:31	ggVGc	can't get hie to work anymore :(
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2018-01-19 15:03:35	--	Topic set by alanz (alanz@gateway/shell/firrre/x-ndioycaynkxzpmlf) on Fri, 01 Jan 2016 10:59:43
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2018-01-19 21:10:13	alanz	wz1000, your PR branch, from my repo also passes. https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/297
2018-01-19 21:12:45	--	Notice(GitHub0): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/vNzIi
2018-01-19 21:12:45	--	Notice(GitHub0): haskell-ide-engine/master f3e4035 Zubin Duggal: Moved code from ghc-mod-core ModuleLoader.hs back into hie
2018-01-19 21:12:45	--	Notice(GitHub0): haskell-ide-engine/master f566e97 Zubin Duggal: Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine
2018-01-19 21:12:45	--	Notice(GitHub0): haskell-ide-engine/master 1ab6fe2 Zubin Duggal: Allowed reading ghc state in IdeM, fast async completions, restore type for hackage docs
2018-01-19 21:12:47	--	Notice(GitHub114): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #445: Cleanup and async for Completions (master...master) https://git.io/vN017
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2018-01-19 21:29:33	infinisil	I'm having a bit of problems setting up lsp-haskell for emacs
2018-01-19 21:30:33	infinisil	lsp-mode, lsp-up, lsp-haskell and HIE are installed (I'm pretty sure)
2018-01-19 21:32:09	infinisil	oh, it seems they might not be after all, I'll be back
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2018-01-20 14:23:42	--	Notice(GitHub125): [haskell-ide-engine] damienflament opened pull request #446: Add logos (master...logos) https://git.io/vNzxo
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2018-01-21 11:47:07	sgronblo	I find that the vscode plugin stops working quite often. What can I do to help out with fixing the errors?
2018-01-21 11:59:27	alanz	sgronblo, what does "stops working" mean?
2018-01-21 12:03:32	sgronblo	the same error location is never updated even though I fix the problem
2018-01-21 12:07:32	sgronblo	for some reason there is no additional output in the "output" pane either
2018-01-21 12:09:04	alanz	sgronblo, can you enable logging, and and then post the log once this starts happening? It should end up in /tmp/hie.log
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2018-01-21 13:25:31	sgronblo	alanz: So the "output" tab only shows part of what's going on with hie.log being the main full log?
2018-01-21 13:26:15	alanz	yes, hie.log keeps a record of the messages sent to/from the hie server, together with some other internal stuff
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2018-01-21 14:12:01	sgronblo	ok, well i'll try to run it from source from now
2018-01-21 14:20:57	alanz	sgronblo, you can turn on logging via the settings in vscode 
2018-01-21 14:31:16	sgronblo	ok, thats nice too
2018-01-21 14:33:41	alanz	so you can do it per-project, if you want to
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2018-01-21 20:58:25	--	Notice(GitHub104): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vN2Cb
2018-01-21 20:58:25	--	Notice(GitHub104): haskell-ide-engine/master e6191ab Damien Flament: Closed #267 : added logos
2018-01-21 20:58:25	--	Notice(GitHub104): haskell-ide-engine/master 2e33604 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #446 from damienflament/logos...
2018-01-21 20:58:28	--	Notice(GitHub177): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #446: Add logos (master...logos) https://git.io/vNzxo
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2018-01-21 21:16:26	matchray	FYI https://github.com/syl20bnr/spacemacs/pull/10211 adding lsp to spacemacs
2018-01-21 21:18:26	matchray	I hope you can also move some docs from repo to github Wiki because it can be publicly editable
2018-01-21 21:18:33	matchray	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/docs/Design.md
2018-01-21 21:20:13	matchray	Last time I checked haskell-ide-engine, it did not support find-references -- I believe this is a killer feature
2018-01-21 21:20:43	alanz	matchray, nice
2018-01-21 21:21:34	matchray	i am a very casual haskell learner and i hope after the mess in cquery is all addressed, i can study some haskell  # https://github.com/jacobdufault/cquery/wiki/Design this is what i asked the author to write
2018-01-21 21:26:55	alanz	That looks interesting. I imagine some kind of queryable db for haskell stuff too, at some point.
2018-01-21 21:27:31	alanz	There are already various options, some of which work already but do not have all the info we need, others that have rotted.
2018-01-21 21:27:47	alanz	but can be revived
2018-01-21 21:30:20	matchray	ycmd uses libclang which converts a location to a cursor in AST, and finding declarating / comments / on top of that. But that is rather limited when there are multiple source files (in C++ term, translation units)
2018-01-21 21:32:51	alanz	ok. We have our hands full with LSP at the moment, and can handle a single or small number of files. But finding stuff in multiple files, or from installed libraries is still a problem.  I guess we need some sort of super tag thing
2018-01-21 21:37:06	matchray	libclang works in this way, almost every identity has a USR (unified symbol resolution) https://github.com/llvm-mirror/clang/blob/master/test/Index/USR/func-type.cpp#L10 you can see the examples
2018-01-21 21:37:32	matchray	clangd / cquery use it as the primary key to associate declaration/definition with references
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2018-01-21 21:41:02	matchray	i'm curious how ghc/haskell-ide-engine does this
2018-01-21 21:43:20	matchray	Is https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Commentary/Rts/Storage/HeapObjects#InfoTables available for everything of interests?
2018-01-21 22:15:18	matchray	If src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs is longer, maybe these callbacks should be extracted to separate files
2018-01-21 22:19:04	matchray	You probably want to support cross-reference extension ( https://github.com/jacobdufault/cquery/wiki/Emacs#cquery-cross-reference-extension ) e.g. typeclass instances, finding superclasses, ...
2018-01-21 22:20:39	matchray	$cquery/vars is useful (i.e. listing variables of a certain type; i know this may be very difficult in ghc land)
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2018-01-22 09:08:52	mpickering	alanz: Do you remember how we dealt with LINE pragmas in ghc-exactprint?
2018-01-22 09:26:16	alanz	mpickering, nothing, they invalidate it. So we can't process files having them
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2018-01-22 11:12:28	mpickering	perhaps this would be useful? https://phabricator.haskell.org/D4336
2018-01-22 11:12:34	mpickering	But I admit it's lowest of low priority
2018-01-22 11:18:12	alanz	agree on both
2018-01-22 11:18:34	alanz	And I am running roundtrips and having failures where CPP stuff is commented out ni {- -}
2018-01-22 11:19:14	alanz	And I was just wondering if we could explicitly deal with that case when we merge all the bits together. Make the block comments take priority over the CPP output
2018-01-22 11:19:27	alanz	all comments, in fact
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2018-01-24 09:46:59	domenkozar	alanz: before I create a PR, quick question: would you mind if we get rid of LICENSE as a symlink?
2018-01-24 09:47:24	domenkozar	it would allow using stack2nix
2018-01-24 09:47:41	domenkozar	since it each package is built in sandbox, ../LICENSE doesn't work
2018-01-24 09:49:58	alanz	no problem at all. It has come up before, I actually thought we had already fixed it
2018-01-24 09:50:10	alanz	symlinks in repos is generally a pretty bad idea
2018-01-24 09:51:02	alanz	And I see on the #nixos channel someone is asking how to set up hie. There is a derivation for it now, I believe?
2018-01-24 09:51:06	alanz	domenkozar, ^^
2018-01-24 09:56:19	domenkozar	alanz: yes
2018-01-24 09:56:33	domenkozar	let me make a PR
2018-01-24 09:58:03	alanz	thanks. And updating the README for https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/pkgs/development/haskell-modules/hie-packages.nix would be great too
2018-01-24 09:58:22	domenkozar	uhh, I don't like the path shlevy took
2018-01-24 09:58:27	domenkozar	it's manually crafted
2018-01-24 09:58:39	domenkozar	I can generate the whole set with one automated command
2018-01-24 09:58:58	domenkozar	and planning to add arbitrary GHC support so we could soon have those hie binaries per GHC in Nix
2018-01-24 09:59:40	alanz	ok, is there currently a reccommended way to use hie in nix?
2018-01-24 09:59:48	domenkozar	nope :(
2018-01-24 09:59:55	domenkozar	I guess we're attacking it from different fronts
2018-01-24 10:00:27	alanz	my approach right now is to point people at anything that works, even if we brand it as a temporary band aid
2018-01-24 10:00:59	alanz	because the question comes up quite a bit. Proving the popularity of nix, I guess :)
2018-01-24 10:02:35	--	Notice(GitHub64): [haskell-ide-engine] Tehnix created multiple-builds (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vNoXs
2018-01-24 10:02:36	--	Notice(GitHub64): haskell-ide-engine/multiple-builds 5370b01 Christian Kjaer Laustsen: Add Makefile for building all GHC variants
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2018-01-24 10:14:11	--	Topic set by alanz (alanz@gateway/shell/firrre/x-ndioycaynkxzpmlf) on Fri, 01 Jan 2016 10:59:43
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2018-01-24 15:46:11	--	Topic set by alanz (alanz@gateway/shell/firrre/x-ndioycaynkxzpmlf) on Fri, 01 Jan 2016 16:29:43
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2018-01-24 16:25:01	--	Notice(GitHub134): [haskell-ide-engine] domenkozar opened pull request #448: Convert all LICENSE files into copies (master...license) https://git.io/vNoy1
2018-01-24 16:25:02	domenkozar	alanz: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/448
2018-01-24 16:25:34	domenkozar	once I fix last bug in stack2nix we should have package sets for GHC 8.0.2 and GHC 8.2.2
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2018-01-24 16:26:53	--	Notice(GitHub43): haskell-ide-engine/master 7c9401e Domen Kožar: Convert all LICENSE files into copies...
2018-01-24 16:26:53	--	Notice(GitHub43): haskell-ide-engine/master c13338a Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #448 from domenkozar/license...
2018-01-24 16:27:45	alanz	domenkozar, great
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2018-01-24 19:04:46	alanz	Thanks to Tehnix we can now auto-select hie according to the project we open in vscode.
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2018-01-24 20:26:33	BillSun[m]	Wow, I'm excited!
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2018-01-24 20:35:46	BillSun[m]	I see that there's a haskell-ide-engine in nixpkgs: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/32947
2018-01-24 20:35:47	BillSun[m]	But how does that work? I thought the GHC used to build hie needs to match the version used in your project?
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2018-01-24 20:37:21	infinisil	nice to see more nix folk here :D
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2018-01-24 21:27:40	joncfoo	BillSun[m], it's probably using the _default_ ghc compiler for the currently pinned "ghc" package (on my machine it's 8.2.2)
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2018-01-24 22:52:28	alanz	I'm about to put a flag in so you can ask that
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2018-01-25 18:48:22	michalrus	bgamari: it’s broken rn https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/32947#issuecomment-359491863
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2018-01-25 19:02:58	bgamari	:(
2018-01-25 19:09:20	alanz	domenkozar said he had something that was nearly done
2018-01-25 19:11:09	domenkozar	yeah what's missing is https://github.com/input-output-hk/stack2nix/issues/84
2018-01-25 19:11:35	domenkozar	I hope to get to it today
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2018-01-25 19:48:01	sgronblo	ok, right now I seem to be having some trouble with my vscode plugin after having left the editor open for a long time and having had the computer go into sleep mode a few times
2018-01-25 19:48:21	sgronblo	hmm, or now its back?
2018-01-25 19:49:09	sgronblo	ah yeah now hie is taking a lot of cpu again
2018-01-25 19:52:08	sgronblo	so it seems something weird happens when either the hie server is running for a long time or when the plugin is running for a long time
2018-01-25 19:53:01	alanz	sgronblo, its quite possible. There are reports of a memory link inside GHC, which affects hie too
2018-01-25 19:53:54	sgronblo	i didnt check the memory usage
2018-01-25 19:54:32	sgronblo	well there is a history of the "memory pressure" in my system monitor and it doesnt show any significant change after hie shut itself down
2018-01-25 19:54:59	sgronblo	so that makes it seem unlikely to be memory related?
2018-01-25 19:55:18	alanz	sgronblo, no idea
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2018-01-25 21:12:52	Tehnix	I keep getting the "No hoogle DB found", how do people generate the hoogle DB? Did `hoogle generate` and `stack hoogle generate` but didn't seem to work, hmm
2018-01-25 21:15:06	wz1000	Tehnix: you need hoogle 5.0.16 to generate it
2018-01-25 21:16:18	wz1000	Tehnix: that version should be installed in the stack environenmnt in the haskell-ide-engine folder
2018-01-25 21:16:42	wz1000	cd haskell-ide-engine; stack install hoogle; hoogle generate should work for you
2018-01-25 21:26:06	Tehnix	Ah, I see I have 5.0.13
2018-01-25 21:26:07	Tehnix	Thanks
2018-01-25 21:29:52	wz1000	Tehnix: if hie is still crashing after that, you might need to delete the database.hoo file that stack generated inside .stack-work/hoogle
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2018-01-25 22:16:36	mpickering	bgamari: The HIE nix expression worked for me perfectly last week
2018-01-25 22:16:48	mpickering	so I guess it depends which commit your nixpkgs is on
2018-01-25 22:17:02	bgamari	cool
2018-01-25 22:17:19	mpickering	Now I just need to find a project which doesn't have any CPP to use it 
2018-01-25 22:17:25	bgamari	heh
2018-01-25 22:18:53	infinisil	Does anybody happen to have some simple state-of-the-art haskell package to try out if my HIE setup is working?
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2018-01-25 23:11:46	wz1000	mpickering: i think it works with some CPP. Of course, it can only see the stuff ghc sees, so it can't give you type signatures for code in #if blocks that ghc can't see.
2018-01-25 23:13:22	wz1000	if you have any failures, i would like to see them
2018-01-25 23:13:40	wz1000	infinisil: try hie itself?
2018-01-25 23:14:49	infinisil	wz1000: wait a c++ project for trying out HIE? or does CPP stand for something different?
2018-01-25 23:15:17	infinisil	wz1000: HIE itself, good idea
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2018-01-25 23:21:57	wz1000	infinisil: cpp - The C Preprocessor
2018-01-25 23:27:00	infinisil	wz1000: Ah
2018-01-25 23:27:27	infinisil	Alright I'm trying my luck again, last time i tried with one of my projects i got an internal error (can't remember what it was though)
2018-01-25 23:27:49	infinisil	I'm on NixOS so I might have some trouble with the correct ghc versions and stuff
2018-01-25 23:28:17	infinisil	Also I'm trying to use it with emacs (lsp-mode, lsp-haskell, lsp-ui)
2018-01-25 23:29:37	wz1000	good luck. do put a PR in for documentation if successful.
2018-01-25 23:32:40	infinisil	Which is unlikely, as I'm struggling with emacs to start with
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2018-01-25 23:44:03	kriztw	infinisil: I have a working setup with exactly that, but with spacemacs and stack
2018-01-25 23:44:33	kriztw	Not everything works though, for example "apply suggestion" doesn't work
2018-01-25 23:45:11	kriztw	But I think that might be lsp-mode and lsp-haskell that are out of sync, as I just cloned HEAD for both a week or so ago
2018-01-25 23:47:22	infinisil	kriztw: so it only works for stack projects?
2018-01-25 23:47:33	kriztw	infinisil: I haven't tested anything else
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2018-01-25 23:47:52	infinisil	kriztw: Nice though! can you share the relevant bits of your config?
2018-01-25 23:48:37	kriztw	infinisil: I basically just followed the instructions in lsp-haskell, but sure
2018-01-25 23:48:43	kriztw	infinisil: do you mean emacs config?
2018-01-25 23:49:19	infinisil	i have the few lines from lsp-haskell in my config already
2018-01-25 23:49:34	infinisil	kriztw: you using nixos as well?
2018-01-25 23:50:17	kriztw	infinisil: yes
2018-01-25 23:50:47	kriztw	but hie is from source, the nixos package didn't exist when I set it up :D
2018-01-25 23:50:58	infinisil	And you installed ghc with nix-env? Or stack?
2018-01-25 23:51:01	infinisil	I see
2018-01-25 23:51:19	kriztw	infinisil: stack with nix: enable: true
2018-01-25 23:51:53	kriztw	I also have the same ghc version in my user environment
2018-01-25 23:53:14	infinisil	Alright I'll try that
2018-01-25 23:53:50	infinisil	kriztw: do you have any additional emacs packages other than lsp-{haskell,mode,ui} ?
2018-01-25 23:54:02	infinisil	flycheck maybe?
2018-01-25 23:54:07	infinisil	or something to auto-complete?
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2018-01-25 23:55:29	kriztw	infinisil: I have https://gist.github.com/kristoff3r/4f8314533526a9ce6c9fbbf6d8fb2a02
2018-01-25 23:55:40	kriztw	and then the haskell layer from spacemacs
2018-01-25 23:55:58	infinisil	ah right, spacemacs, probably has a bunch of packages
2018-01-26 00:12:20	infinisil	Alright, getting an error from HIE:
2018-01-26 00:12:50	infinisil	Error from the Language Server: IdeError {ideCode = PluginError, ideMessage = "getReferencesInDoc: \"module not loaded\"", ideInfo = Null} (Internal Error)
2018-01-26 00:13:07	wz1000	you might get that until it loads the file
2018-01-26 00:13:20	infinisil	it only happens once i open a file
2018-01-26 00:15:11	mpickering	Did you start the language server?
2018-01-26 00:15:21	mpickering	In vim you need to run :LanguageServerStart
2018-01-26 00:16:38	infinisil	Using lsp-haskell and lsp-mode for emacs, which i'm pretty sure should handle starting it
2018-01-26 00:17:06	infinisil	also the error says it's coming from the language server, so i think we can assume it at least tried to start
2018-01-26 00:19:05	infinisil	oh, it's compiling
2018-01-26 00:19:19	infinisil	100% cpu usage here we go
2018-01-26 00:19:47	infinisil	maybe it isn't the best to want to use haskell-ide-engine source for trying it out, since the 200+ dependencies might take a while to build..
2018-01-26 00:30:30	infinisil	yeah it doesn't work, even with a fresh stack project generated with `stack new test simple`
2018-01-26 00:30:38	infinisil	Still the same error
2018-01-26 00:31:00	infinisil	(the only thing I changed is I added `nix: enable: true` to stack.yaml)
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2018-01-26 00:45:00	kriztw	infinisil: mine says the same until it is done loading, but it loads reasonably quick for my ~100 dependency project
2018-01-26 00:48:12	infinisil	Ah yeah, now
2018-01-26 00:49:06	infinisil	Ah nice, some stuff works now
2018-01-26 00:49:28	infinisil	kriztw: does auto-complete work for you?
2018-01-26 00:50:15	infinisil	OHhh, I just had to enable company-mode, works now!
2018-01-26 00:50:39	infinisil	although it's super super slow
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2018-01-26 01:04:34	infinisil	like, a second waiting time one every character of input..
2018-01-26 01:06:53	dpren	infinisil, for text input itself? or for like, completions to show?
2018-01-26 01:07:29	infinisil	dpren: text input itself, it always waits until the completion list is updated
2018-01-26 01:08:28	infinisil	Ah, I should use asynchronous completion, which is apparently provided by company-lsp
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2018-01-26 01:15:56	wz1000	infinisil: are you using the latest HIE commit?
2018-01-26 01:16:20	infinisil	wz1000: nope, some version packages with nixpkgs
2018-01-26 01:18:14	infinisil	packaged*
2018-01-26 01:23:14	dpren	infinisil, I believe completions were made async only as of Jan 19
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2018-01-26 01:23:59	infinisil	dpren: hmm, but couldn't this be done by the client just as well?
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2018-01-26 01:39:13	infinisil	for some reason company-lsp doesn't work, so I'll just try to use master's HIE instead
2018-01-26 01:41:21	dpren	yea sorry - I'm an emacs noob
2018-01-26 01:41:36	infinisil	same for me unfortunately
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2018-01-26 01:44:11	dpren	if you're just testing stuff, you might have better luck with vscode
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2018-01-26 01:54:27	infinisil	actually trying to set up my haskell dev environment, so would like emacs to work
2018-01-26 02:06:26	dpren	if you manage to get it working, it would be great if you added instructions to the Readme
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2018-01-26 23:04:23	dpren	wz1000: if we were to cache completions with a prefix trie, that would go in ModuleCache right? Then we'd use withCachedModuleAndData? I was thinking we index the trie in advanced every time a tc module loads. I'm not sure exactly how long that would take, but I'd hope it's fast enough, I saw the Haxe LS does something similar.
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2018-01-26 23:24:19	wz1000	dpren: yes
2018-01-26 23:24:49	wz1000	sounds good
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2018-01-26 23:41:35	wz1000	dpren: you might also want to look at how intero does it: https://github.com/commercialhaskell/intero/blob/master/src/GhciFind.hs
2018-01-26 23:49:30	dpren	oh neat, I didn't realize intero did completion
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2018-01-27 01:10:23	dpren	wz1000: is NameMapData's cacheDataProducer called lazily/by-need?
2018-01-27 01:15:27	dpren	ie. (if I understand correctly) it doesn't cache at the same time as CachedModule, in advanced
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2018-01-27 03:36:37	wz1000	dpren: yes
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2018-01-27 13:12:49	parsnip	is this good place to mention, maybe this should be removed? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/docs/emacs.md
2018-01-27 13:13:06	parsnip	iiuc, this is from before LSP was head towards?
2018-01-27 13:14:39	alanz	parsnip, you are correct. Will do. FYI. the emacs support is via https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell
2018-01-27 13:15:03	parsnip	thank you!
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2018-01-27 17:03:55	--	Notice(GitHub167): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vNM0T
2018-01-27 17:03:55	--	Notice(GitHub167): haskell-ide-engine/master 4fd4cc8 Alan Zimmerman: Redirect to emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell
2018-01-27 17:04:23	infinisil	Nice
2018-01-27 17:06:19	alanz	slowly working through my backlog. ghc-exactprint support for the upcoming GHC 8.4 looks like it is done, at last.
2018-01-27 17:09:09	infinisil	alanz: what does it do?
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2018-01-27 17:26:17	alanz	infinisil, it is a library that uses the API Annotations in ghc to reproduce original source from the ParsedSource AST
2018-01-27 17:26:30	alanz	but it allows you to modify the AST, and keeps stuff lined up.
2018-01-27 17:26:41	alanz	It is what allows HaRe to do its work
2018-01-27 17:30:28	infinisil	that sounds very neat
2018-01-27 17:31:28	alanz	it is. And I am intending to move the ghc-exactprint right into GHC at some point
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2018-01-28 17:35:17	nathanajah	Hi there! Does anyone have any idea how would I debug HIE? I keep getting Err(Timeout) on my neovim integration using LanguageClient-Neovim
2018-01-28 17:56:05	alanz	nathanajah, your best would be to start up hie with logging enabled, and tail the hie log, to see what is happening. And/or enable logging in neovim, if that is possible
2018-01-28 17:58:08	nathanajah	Is hie --repl supposed to drop me in a REPL shell?
2018-01-28 17:58:13	nathanajah	Because that doesn't seem to work for me either
2018-01-28 18:01:10	alanz	no, the repl is basically no longer operational
2018-01-28 18:01:34	alanz	lsp is the only supported mode. I guess we should remove that option, now I think about it
2018-01-28 18:01:40	nathanajah	Ah, I see
2018-01-28 18:04:47	alanz	Are you using this: https://github.com/autozimu/LanguageClient-neovim
2018-01-28 18:04:47	nathanajah	Running hie -d --lsp seems to indicate that it's stuck at "haskell-lsp:Starting up server ..."
2018-01-28 18:04:53	nathanajah	Yep, I'm using that
2018-01-28 18:04:59	nathanajah	is there any other expected output after that?
2018-01-28 18:05:00	nathanajah	https://pastebin.com/SMDtveN5
2018-01-28 18:05:32	alanz	I have never used it, tbh. But the plugin should start the server, so look inside that for a way to turn on logging.
2018-01-28 18:05:41	alanz	And/or make an issue on that project
2018-01-28 18:06:14	nathanajah	I tried the vscode integration as well just now, and nothing seems to be working there either
2018-01-28 18:06:27	alanz	The client needs to know how to start a haskell language server client
2018-01-28 18:06:47	alanz	nathanajah, are you running current master, having done stack install?
2018-01-28 18:06:54	alanz	what operating system?
2018-01-28 18:07:10	nathanajah	Yep, I'm on the current master
2018-01-28 18:07:12	nathanajah	I ran stack install
2018-01-28 18:07:16	nathanajah	I'm on Archlinux 64bit
2018-01-28 18:07:44	alanz	which is fairly standard linux, as I understand it.
2018-01-28 18:07:47	nathanajah	Rename symbols (F2) shows the textbox for the new symbol, but when I pressed enter nothing happened
2018-01-28 18:07:56	alanz	What happens in vscode?
2018-01-28 18:08:26	nathanajah	Hovering on symbols doesn't seem to show anything either
2018-01-28 18:28:35	wz1000	nathanajah: do you see anything in the Output window? under Haskell Ide Engine?
2018-01-28 18:34:50	nathanajah	There's nothing at all
2018-01-28 18:35:00	nathanajah	although running ps aux | grep hie shows that hie is running...
2018-01-28 18:54:33	wz1000	nathanajah: in the output tab, is there a drop down menu with different options like Tasks, Git, Search, Extensions, Language Server Haskell?
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2018-01-28 23:45:28	freeman42x	is there any ticket/update on: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/README.md#known-issues
2018-01-28 23:45:29	freeman42x	?
2018-01-28 23:47:05	alanz	freeman42x, if you are on linux, and install hie with the Makefile (current master), then you can work with multiple GHCs. Currently 8.0.2, 8.2.1, 8.2.2
2018-01-28 23:47:33	alanz	But you need to turn on a setting in the latest vscode plugin
2018-01-28 23:47:40	alanz	It is still new/experimental
2018-01-28 23:50:43	nathanajah	Found it, I was looking at the wrong output (didn't switch to HIE's output)
2018-01-28 23:50:52	nathanajah	Fixed it after running stack hoogle and stack build on my project... somehow
2018-01-28 23:50:53	freeman42x	thank you, I guess I will stick with 8.0.2 then
2018-01-28 23:51:41	freeman42x	ah, actually that is project dependent
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2018-01-29 18:34:19	sgronblo	how do I enable the hie.log for the official vscode plugin release?
2018-01-29 18:34:25	sgronblo	trace.server?
2018-01-29 18:43:35	alanz	yes. Set it to verbose
2018-01-29 18:45:15	sgronblo	done
2018-01-29 18:45:51	alanz	then it should generate a log at /tmp/hie.log
2018-01-29 18:50:01	sgronblo	yep works
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2018-01-30 16:09:32	nathanajah	Hi there! I got another problem - I've just started a new project using `stack new tesths`, and when I opened it using VS code I'm getting "[Error - 10:38:48 AM] Got error while processing diagnostics: These modules are needed for compilation but not listed in your .cabal file's other-modules: Lib". Any idea what am I doing wrong
2018-01-30 16:09:33	nathanajah	?
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2018-01-30 16:09:59	nathanajah	If I understood it correctly, the Lib module is generated by stack new (src/Lib.hs).
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2018-01-30 16:15:57	domenkozar	I have hie built with stack2nix on ghc 8.2.2
2018-01-30 16:16:18	domenkozar	just need to filter out base libs and it should be ready :)
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2018-01-30 16:27:58	alanz	nathanajah, there will be a new version soon, which sorts out the "other modules" warning.
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2018-01-30 17:08:13	alanz	Anyone wanting to try the new cabal-helper/ghc-mod, it is at https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/ghc-version
2018-01-30 17:08:25	alanz	I will make a PR once the CI completes
2018-01-30 17:09:19	--	Notice(GitHub178): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #454: Update to latest cabal-helper/ghc-mod, add ghc version (master...ghc-version) https://git.io/vN9NR
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2018-01-30 18:22:10	--	Notice(GitHub79): [haskell-ide-engine] ShrykeWindgrace opened pull request #455: Add installation instructions for windows users (master...master) https://git.io/vNHva
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2018-01-30 23:57:03	infinisil	I almost feel motivated to try fixing this synchronous completion problem again
2018-01-30 23:57:30	infinisil	I wasn't able to update to master last time since i didn't fully get how to update the nix expressions for HIE
2018-01-30 23:59:22	wz1000	infinisil: completion is not synchronous any more
2018-01-30 23:59:43	wz1000	so if your module is loaded completions should happen instantly
2018-01-30 23:59:51	infinisil	yeah it got mentioned
2018-01-31 00:01:57	infinisil	Oh great, haskell-ide-engine is marked as broken in nixpkgs :/ https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/master/pkgs/development/haskell-modules/hie-packages.nix#L280
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2018-01-31 18:12:56	infinisil	Um, HIE now completely freezez my emacs and i don't know what i have changes since it worked last time
2018-01-31 18:13:40	infinisil	I guess it's not HIE but some emacs plugin, since i still get logs in /tmp/hie.log
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2018-01-31 18:23:56	infinisil	Oh, it's company-lsp, that emacs package made completion completely boggers
2018-01-31 18:25:04	alanz	infinisil, are you running with current hie master?
2018-01-31 18:25:15	infinisil	alanz: 
2018-01-31 18:25:24	infinisil	nope, but i know, master has async completion
2018-01-31 18:25:57	infinisil	HIE is currently broken in nixpkgs though
2018-01-31 18:26:06	alanz	and it has the new, fixed cabal-helper/ghc-mod-core
2018-01-31 18:26:14	alanz	ok
2018-01-31 18:26:41	alanz	I know domenkozar was looking at sorting that out, I guess life intervened in the meantime
2018-01-31 18:26:49	infinisil	If anybody is interested: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/34447
2018-01-31 18:26:57	infinisil	I'll ping him too I guess
2018-01-31 18:31:31	domenkozar	hmm, I can actually already make this happen without fixing the last bug I have
2018-01-31 18:31:41	domenkozar	infinisil: give me another day or two.
2018-01-31 18:32:37	infinisil	domenkozar: awesome :)
2018-01-31 18:32:49	domenkozar	just to be clear about outcomes:
2018-01-31 18:32:57	domenkozar	you'll have hie for ghc 8.0.2 and hie for 8.2.2
2018-01-31 18:33:07	domenkozar	infinisil: is that sufficient? :)
2018-01-31 18:33:20	infinisil	domenkozar: sure, what else would anybody want?
2018-01-31 18:33:31	domenkozar	then we can integrate hie-wrapper
2018-01-31 18:33:35	domenkozar	but one step at the time :)
2018-01-31 18:34:16	infinisil	I'd just love to finally have a decent haskell environment on nixos
2018-01-31 18:39:22	domenkozar	that's my plan :)
2018-01-31 18:40:05	domenkozar	infinisil: so would following work:
2018-01-31 18:40:10	domenkozar	nix-env -i hies -f .
2018-01-31 18:40:22	domenkozar	where this would expose hie-8.0 and hie-8.2
2018-01-31 18:40:28	domenkozar	in your $PATH
2018-01-31 18:40:44	infinisil	domenkozar: do they have different binaries for this to work?
2018-01-31 18:40:54	domenkozar	yes
2018-01-31 18:41:03	domenkozar	they are built with different GHC
2018-01-31 18:41:06	domenkozar	and thus different LTS
2018-01-31 18:41:18	infinisil	so the binaries are "hie-8.0" and "hie-8.2"?
2018-01-31 18:41:23	domenkozar	yeah
2018-01-31 18:41:37	infinisil	because I'm not sure about that, I'd think most editor plugins expect it to be "hie"
2018-01-31 18:41:39	domenkozar	this moves towards then using hie-wrapper
2018-01-31 18:41:47	domenkozar	that picks up correct one given what your project uses
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2018-01-31 18:43:07	infinisil	domenkozar: oh: https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell/blob/master/lsp-haskell.el#L280-L287
2018-01-31 18:43:13	infinisil	this seems very relevant
2018-01-31 18:43:38	infinisil	just committed yesterday though: https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell/commit/04039a551bd7d82372c57951a7409bb491ca2976#diff-16221de30ee18499141af1694b26762b
2018-01-31 18:44:41	domenkozar	eah
2018-01-31 18:44:52	domenkozar	what I don't follow excatly how wrapper chooses hie
2018-01-31 18:44:55	domenkozar	let me read that up
2018-01-31 18:45:28	domenkozar	ah, from invoking ghc
2018-01-31 18:45:43	domenkozar	so your editor needs to run in dev env
2018-01-31 18:45:48	domenkozar	but hies propagate from system
2018-01-31 18:45:57	infinisil	hmm, not a fan of that
2018-01-31 18:46:37	infinisil	because of emacs daemon mode
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2018-01-31 18:46:43	domenkozar	next generation of this would be for wrapper to inspect what is used in the project
2018-01-31 18:46:49	domenkozar	but that's tricky
2018-01-31 18:47:00	infinisil	I'd have thought that's how it would work
2018-01-31 18:47:13	infinisil	hmm, but i guess cabal files don't specify the compiler right
2018-01-31 18:47:24	domenkozar	then you need to integrate into each tooling
2018-01-31 18:47:29	domenkozar	so trade offs :)
2018-01-31 18:47:54	infinisil	domenkozar: got any link to the wrapper thing?
2018-01-31 18:48:16	domenkozar	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/439#issuecomment-359801662
2018-01-31 18:49:46	alanz	domenkozar, what is this wrapper?
2018-01-31 18:50:15	alanz	At the moment we are falling back to making the client do it, and it is supported in emacs and vscode
2018-01-31 18:50:46	alanz	except I don't know how to use something like dir-locals on a defcustom in elisp
2018-01-31 18:50:48	domenkozar	but how does client decide on ghc?
2018-01-31 18:51:00	alanz	operator input
2018-01-31 18:51:05	alanz	i.e. you tell it
2018-01-31 18:51:16	domenkozar	so one will configure it per project?
2018-01-31 18:51:21	alanz	But in general it should be fairly static.
2018-01-31 18:51:23	alanz	Yes. 
2018-01-31 18:51:29	domenkozar	because usually editors settings are global
2018-01-31 18:51:40	domenkozar	while developer might work on ghc 8.2 and 8.0 in different projects
2018-01-31 18:51:43	alanz	I think the vscode plugin asks stack if it is a stack one, and then does it automatically for that
2018-01-31 18:52:03	alanz	vscode allows local override of settings, per project
2018-01-31 18:52:19	domenkozar	what if there way .hie.yaml per project to configure ghc?
2018-01-31 18:52:23	domenkozar	it would remove lots of magic
2018-01-31 18:52:28	alanz	and emacs allows .dir-locals.el, but I don't know enough about how to use those for this
2018-01-31 18:52:29	infinisil	that seems like a good idea
2018-01-31 18:52:48	domenkozar	well I don't care what format, but just that it wouldn't need to be defined per project per editor
2018-01-31 18:52:50	domenkozar	but just per project
2018-01-31 18:52:59	alanz	I believe it does make sense to end up with a per-project config file
2018-01-31 18:53:24	alanz	and the standard rules, default, global override, local overrid
2018-01-31 18:53:34	domenkozar	yeah it goes up the folder structure
2018-01-31 18:53:43	domenkozar	up to ~/.config/hie
2018-01-31 18:53:47	alanz	same as stack's global stack.yml
2018-01-31 18:53:52	domenkozar	yeah
2018-01-31 18:54:07	domenkozar	and then you can add a tool that autoguess it if needed
2018-01-31 18:54:18	domenkozar	but I don't see a problem of one-time writting a 2 line config
2018-01-31 18:54:25	alanz	yes, there is probably a library for it already
2018-01-31 18:54:39	alanz	I wonder if we could just use editorconfig
2018-01-31 18:54:45	alanz	or is it out of scope for that
2018-01-31 18:54:51	domenkozar	so then any hie you run could just say either it's compatible with this ghc
2018-01-31 18:55:00	domenkozar	or it will try to execute hie-8.X for matching ghc
2018-01-31 18:55:28	domenkozar	so wrapper would be part of hie executable
2018-01-31 18:55:38	domenkozar	or if it doesn't find matching hie for ghc, bail out somehow
2018-01-31 18:55:44	alanz	I have been leaning toward an exe
2018-01-31 18:56:05	domenkozar	an explicit one, like hie-wrapper haskell exe?
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2018-01-31 18:56:13	alanz	it is complicated though, because technically you only get the project root directory in the initialize message
2018-01-31 18:56:44	alanz	so to do it right you then need to launch the right hie, replacing the current process, with the state of comms set up right
2018-01-31 18:57:20	alanz	either that or put an external chooser into place, that mirrors what the client does.
2018-01-31 18:57:26	domenkozar	ah yes and some editors have a global daemon
2018-01-31 18:57:31	infinisil	alanz: editorconfig is more for formatting styles of specific files, less projects
2018-01-31 18:57:33	alanz	The devil is in the detail of the mechanics
2018-01-31 18:57:42	alanz	infinisil, I just looked, agree
2018-01-31 18:57:57	alanz	and there will be other hie specific stuff too.
2018-01-31 18:58:06	domenkozar	maybe hie ports should be mapped to ghc versions
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2018-01-31 18:58:15	domenkozar	so hie wrapper can start them in parallel
2018-01-31 18:58:18	alanz	The thing is, some environments have well defined config systems already.
2018-01-31 18:59:00	alanz	cocreature, had an idea for a front-end "steering" app that did that
2018-01-31 18:59:16	domenkozar	I guess we need to document what different editors do
2018-01-31 18:59:25	domenkozar	and see what solution would cover all needs
2018-01-31 18:59:27	alanz	but I think the model is really one hie per session, we just need to make sure we run the right version
2018-01-31 18:59:28	domenkozar	if any
2018-01-31 18:59:51	alanz	I suspect providing a number of options is the way to go.
2018-01-31 18:59:56	domenkozar	is there anything else required besides matching up GHC version?
2018-01-31 18:59:56	alanz	Including the hie.ym
2018-01-31 19:00:02	alanz	hie.yml
2018-01-31 19:00:08	alanz	nope
2018-01-31 19:00:31	alanz	you will see hie --version now explicitly tells you what GHC it was compiled with
2018-01-31 19:00:37	alanz	(for master anyway)
2018-01-31 19:01:10	domenkozar	one thing to be careful about there are many different editor modes
2018-01-31 19:01:14	domenkozar	some are client-server
2018-01-31 19:01:15	alanz	e.g.
2018-01-31 19:01:18	alanz	hie --version
2018-01-31 19:01:19	alanz	Version 0.1.0.0, Git revision 8edd031fc9c53539d53a634e24ca6be8062dcbff (dirty) (1175 commits) x86_64 ghc-8.2.2
2018-01-31 19:01:27	domenkozar	some are global - you can't launch more than one editor app
2018-01-31 19:01:44	domenkozar	but they all allow you to work on multiple projects
2018-01-31 19:02:05	alanz	Well, if the editor is global, it must decide what to run. 
2018-01-31 19:02:21	alanz	e.g. emacs in server mode can run multiple sub-processes
2018-01-31 19:02:30	alanz	which is what Intero does too
2018-01-31 19:02:37	domenkozar	but it might need to run two versions of hie in parallel
2018-01-31 19:02:41	alanz	and the model behing lsp-mode
2018-01-31 19:02:49	alanz	that is fine, no problem
2018-01-31 19:02:56	domenkozar	or being able to switch between them
2018-01-31 19:03:05	alanz	each one is independent.
2018-01-31 19:03:22	alanz	You would not want to launch two on the same project at the same time though
2018-01-31 19:03:27	domenkozar	but they use same ports?
2018-01-31 19:03:33	alanz	no, stdio
2018-01-31 19:03:40	alanz	so no ports needed
2018-01-31 19:03:52	domenkozar	ah, ok
2018-01-31 19:03:56	domenkozar	easy :)
2018-01-31 19:04:00	alanz	yep
2018-01-31 19:04:21	alanz	One day we will do ports, so you can do something like run hie *inside* a docker container or some such
2018-01-31 19:05:27	domenkozar	so to implement wrapper properly, one would need to be able to replace current process stdio while running rpc
2018-01-31 19:06:15	alanz	I am pretty sure there is an exec???? that replaces the current process with the new one, preserving the stdio
2018-01-31 19:06:19	alanz	clib call
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2018-01-31 19:09:00	alanz	might be execve
2018-01-31 19:09:03	domenkozar	http://hackage.haskell.org/package/unix-2.7.2.2/docs/System-Posix-Process.html#v:executeFile
2018-01-31 19:10:01	alanz	We would have to experiment with it to see what works
2018-01-31 19:10:32	infinisil	> You would not want to launch two on the same project at the same time though
2018-01-31 19:10:35	infinisil	Why that?
2018-01-31 19:10:46	infinisil	ah, on the same project
2018-01-31 19:10:49	infinisil	never mind
2018-01-31 19:10:53	alanz	:)
2018-01-31 19:14:21	domenkozar	infinisil: so what do you think if worked like this: https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix
2018-01-31 19:14:37	domenkozar	if it*
2018-01-31 19:16:10	infinisil	domenkozar: which would be pretty much the script but in haskell?
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2018-01-31 19:16:22	alanz	Some background https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4204915/please-explain-the-exec-function-and-its-family
2018-01-31 19:18:14	domenkozar	infinisil: this is without any wrappers, just providing binaries for different hie
2018-01-31 19:21:36	infinisil	domenkozar: Ah right, yeah sounds nice
2018-01-31 19:22:21	infinisil	my confidence in tools like stack2nix and the whole haskell infrastructure for nix has sunken pretty low for me
2018-01-31 19:24:03	infinisil	It feels like a constant struggle to get everything working, in version bounds, whatever. and everytime you do something a little bit out of the non-ordinary you'll have to spend some time getting everything to work
2018-01-31 19:24:59	alanz	FYI https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/439#issuecomment-361938789
2018-01-31 19:25:56	alanz	In other news, I have finally got hie and emacs lsp-mode stable enought that I can use them for day to day stuff.
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2018-01-31 19:26:14	infinisil	am jealous
2018-01-31 19:27:00	infinisil	alanz: with lsp-haskell + lsp-ui + lsp-mode ?
2018-01-31 19:27:23	alanz	yes
2018-01-31 19:27:36	alanz	Using current master
2018-01-31 19:27:47	alanz	And using spacemacs with ivy, not helm
2018-01-31 19:27:55	alanz	But it works with helm too.
2018-01-31 19:28:27	domenkozar	infinisil: stack2nix works really well
2018-01-31 19:28:41	domenkozar	but there are grey areas like nixpkgs system packages
2018-01-31 19:28:46	domenkozar	that you have to maintain manually
2018-01-31 19:29:50	infinisil	alanz: ah, so no company-mode?
2018-01-31 19:31:00	infinisil	domenkozar: stack2nix failed the last time i used it
2018-01-31 19:32:19	alanz	infinisil, I think it does do company mode. And I only switched to ivy a day or so ago, never got my head around helm
2018-01-31 19:32:48	infinisil	I shall consider ivy/helm the next time i go on an emacs config tour
2018-01-31 19:33:38	alanz	I still need to get the hang of ivy, but out of the box it already behaves more the way I expect, more the traditional emacs way
2018-01-31 19:34:14	alanz	And I just tweaked the emacs lsp-haskell readme
2018-01-31 19:34:34	alanz	to include using multiple exe's for current master. On Linux.
2018-01-31 19:37:24	infinisil	alanz: Nice! I didn't even notice you being one of its main maintainers
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2018-01-31 19:49:44	domenkozar	infinisil: I refactored it completely
2018-01-31 19:49:56	domenkozar	it's almost a new codebase :)
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2018-01-31 20:15:25	alanz	infinisil, I have been tied up with other stuff this last while, so been quiet on the project
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2018-01-31 20:33:07	infinisil	domenkozar: nice :D
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2018-01-31 20:34:59	alanz	wz1000, remind me why we moved the modulecache out of ghc-mod-core? I want to use the TypeMap in HaRe
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2018-01-31 20:54:12	wz1000	alanz: because that stuff might need to change often(For example: probably for the completion stuff that dpren is looking at)
2018-01-31 20:54:33	wz1000	and it doesn't really have anything to do with the rest of ghc-mod
2018-01-31 20:54:56	wz1000	alanz: can HaRe depend on hie-plugin-api?
2018-01-31 20:55:02	alanz	ok, I just saw the typemap came from ghc-mod
2018-01-31 20:55:31	alanz	I will have to check, it was originally designed to be separate like that
2018-01-31 20:55:52	alanz	I think the time is coming where HaRe becomes a hie plugin only
2018-01-31 20:55:54	wz1000	alanz: wait a sec, I'll take a look
2018-01-31 20:56:28	alanz	its fine, all I am looking for now is the typemap
2018-01-31 20:57:39	wz1000	alanz: this module could go into ghc-mod: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/ArtifactMap.hs
2018-01-31 20:58:03	alanz	yes, that's the one I am looking at right now
2018-01-31 20:58:44	alanz	but hie-plugin-api only depends on hie-base, it looks like
2018-01-31 20:59:11	alanz	which has no non-hie deps
2018-01-31 20:59:17	wz1000	alanz: to share the code for that and hie we need a common position type
2018-01-31 20:59:26	alanz	so those two could form the plugin apu separately
2018-01-31 20:59:34	wz1000	hie-base should probabaly be merged with hie-plugin-api
2018-01-31 20:59:48	wz1000	It is only 1 module now
2018-01-31 20:59:49	alanz	I was just thinking the same, no point having an extra package
2018-01-31 21:00:01	wz1000	consisting of a bunch of type declarations
2018-01-31 21:00:23	alanz	In my view the packages need to be separate for a reason, there is a massive admin overhead to each one
2018-01-31 21:00:49	alanz	i.e. we should bring all the standard plugins in too
2018-01-31 21:01:33	alanz	Once we are published, we do not want to have to manage a whole bunch of little packages that in practice all change togerher
2018-01-31 21:01:53	wz1000	also we can move a lot of stuff from hie-hare and hie-ghc-mod to a new package
2018-01-31 21:01:59	alanz	Maybe I should make a PR to do that. What do you think?
2018-01-31 21:02:05	wz1000	ok
2018-01-31 21:02:09	wz1000	sounds good
2018-01-31 21:02:21	alanz	yes, there is actually a commonality between ghc-mod, hie, and HaRe
2018-01-31 21:02:40	alanz	And in my view ghc-mod per se should be deprecated in favour of hie
2018-01-31 21:02:53	alanz	and all its functionality move into hie, or into a service layer for it
2018-01-31 21:03:13	alanz	I have discussed that with dxld, and I think he is on board
2018-01-31 21:03:13	wz1000	and a lot of stuff that is just hie using the ghc api to do stuff is put into the hie-hare and hie-ghc-mod plugins
2018-01-31 21:03:55	alanz	yes. And somewhere along the way we need to look into haskell-tools-*
2018-01-31 21:03:58	wz1000	ok
2018-01-31 21:04:22	alanz	I think we do it in steps though, first rationalise hie.
2018-01-31 21:04:52	alanz	In parallel, I want to get HaRe up to spec, currently merging the work Stephen Adams did, prior to an 8.4 update
2018-01-31 21:05:08	alanz	So I want to get that done before repackaging wrt hie and ghc-mod
2018-01-31 21:05:16	wz1000	and the hare integration with the hie caching layer has been on hold for a while
2018-01-31 21:05:49	wz1000	alanz: I think we should make github issues of this stuff
2018-01-31 21:05:52	alanz	yes, that will happen as part of this. That comes via the hie-plugin-api?
2018-01-31 21:05:59	alanz	ok, please do
2018-01-31 21:06:28	alanz	I think we actually need to go over all the issues and close the irrelevant ones, and plan the others
2018-01-31 21:06:31	alanz	More admin.
2018-01-31 21:06:34	wz1000	yes
2018-01-31 21:07:13	alanz	Maybe we should make a date some time and just do it. 
2018-01-31 21:07:28	wz1000	this weekend sometime?
2018-01-31 21:07:32	alanz	Now is no good for me, I am waiting for someone, can be called away at a moment's notice
2018-01-31 21:08:03	wz1000	Even I've got to go shortly
2018-01-31 21:08:03	alanz	ok, sounds good. Ping me when it suits you, I will let you know how I look. Can't always plan ahead.
2018-01-31 21:08:35	alanz	I am really enjoying using hie now, I must say.
2018-01-31 21:08:45	alanz	Being able to have accurate info is such a pleasure
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2018-02-01 00:07:30	dpren	wz1000: What's the purpose of the CompItem type over J.CompletionItem? I'm guessing it's so the Eq and Ord instances can just check on Name?
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2018-02-01 00:13:08	reactormonk	Find-def is only supposed to work within the same file? Given [ ] Cross project find definition
2018-02-01 00:15:41	wz1000	reactormonk: same .cabal project
2018-02-01 00:16:16	reactormonk	kk. What should I do to poke hie when the find-definition stops working in vscode?
2018-02-01 00:17:01	wz1000	reactormonk: can you paste your /tmp/hie.log?
2018-02-01 00:18:10	reactormonk	Ah, that's where I can go looking. Will do the next time.
2018-02-01 00:18:57	wz1000	dpren: that is just an intermediate, more convienient structure to build up.
2018-02-01 00:20:01	alanz	I have not been paying attention for a few weeks.
2018-02-01 00:20:08	alanz	What are you guys up to?
2018-02-01 00:20:25	wz1000	but it is slightly ugly. If you can think of a better way, feel free to change it
2018-02-01 00:20:32	wz1000	dpren: ^
2018-02-01 00:20:50	dpren	wz1000, I figured, depending on how things go it might become unnecessary - just wanted to check
2018-02-01 00:24:15	wz1000	alanz: dpren is working on the completion stuff
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2018-02-01 00:27:17	alanz	wz1000, dpren, sounds good. Within-module, or cross-module?
2018-02-01 00:27:25	dpren	I'm basically just trying to cache as much as possible in advanced -- which will also lead to cleaner code it appears
2018-02-01 00:27:32	wz1000	dpren: that reminds me, you saw the async completion pr?
2018-02-01 00:27:40	dpren	wz1000, I did
2018-02-01 00:27:51	alanz	(just had to reboot, working my machine too hard )
2018-02-01 00:27:56	dpren	alanz, cross-module I believe
2018-02-01 00:28:07	alanz	nice. How?
2018-02-01 00:28:07	dpren	if thats what it already does?
2018-02-01 00:28:25	wz1000	alanz: what do you mean by cross module completions?
2018-02-01 00:28:26	alanz	I don't know, tbh, wz1000 put that stuff in
2018-02-01 00:28:43	wz1000	umm
2018-02-01 00:28:45	alanz	well, including stuff that has been imported I guess
2018-02-01 00:29:02	alanz	Which means it is in scope, which should be easy, now I think of it
2018-02-01 00:29:27	alanz	i.e. it is already in the Typcheckedmodule somewhere
2018-02-01 00:29:30	wz1000	yeah, the current stuff doesn't discriminate between in project and out of project dependencies
2018-02-01 00:30:05	alanz	so it just looks into hoogle?
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2018-02-01 00:30:20	wz1000	no, its in the typechecked module
2018-02-01 00:30:31	wz1000	or in ghc state somewhere
2018-02-01 00:30:37	wz1000	which we can query
2018-02-01 00:30:37	alanz	ok
2018-02-01 00:31:08	wz1000	hoogle queries are done as a seperate step
2018-02-01 00:31:51	wz1000	lsp has completion/resolve or something
2018-02-01 00:32:21	alanz	thats right. First quick result, then ask for details of ones you actually care about
2018-02-01 00:33:56	wz1000	yeah, doing hundreds(or thousands) of hoogle queries would be a bad idea
2018-02-01 00:34:14	wz1000	I've been having trouble using hie lately
2018-02-01 00:34:19	wz1000	but because of vscode
2018-02-01 00:34:37	wz1000	it constantly has high cpu and memory usage
2018-02-01 00:35:05	wz1000	hie is not even noticeable in comparison
2018-02-01 00:36:40	alanz	ie vscode itself is problematic, or hie is making it slow?
2018-02-01 00:37:03	alanz	I am using emacs with lsp-haskell, works pretty well
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2018-02-01 01:42:46	--	Notice(GitHub104): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #456:  Get rid of all submodules except hie-plugin-api (master...reduce-hie-packages) https://git.io/vN56d
2018-02-01 01:46:57	wz1000	alanz: the new hie-plugin-api should probably be called hie-base
2018-02-01 01:50:25	wz1000	also the issue with stack rebuilding haddock-api every time is very annoying
2018-02-01 01:50:25	alanz	wz1000, I thought of that, but it actually is the API the plugins use
2018-02-01 01:50:58	alanz	I agree. But I think it is a feature in stack, being very conservative when libraries that ship with the compiler change
2018-02-01 01:51:28	alanz	Hopefully that will stop when we get cabal-helper, ghc-mod* and HaRe from hackage
2018-02-01 01:51:55	alanz	But unfortunately I think the dev version will pretty much always be using git deps, its in the nature of the thing
2018-02-01 01:52:28	alanz	Are you ok with the naming? Haskell.Ide.Engine.Plugin.XXX
2018-02-01 01:52:47	wz1000	yeah
2018-02-01 01:52:56	alanz	Good.
2018-02-01 01:53:08	alanz	And I think we need to start slimming down LspStdIo
2018-02-01 01:53:35	alanz	Not sure exactly how, but I have a feeling a lot of the detail functions should be in a separate module.
2018-02-01 01:53:48	alanz	I guess we can see it all the way it is, so not so bad
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2018-02-01 11:26:54	alanz	wz1000, are you ok with my PR? Shall I merge it?
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2018-02-01 16:02:50	Franciman	Hi
2018-02-01 16:03:37	Franciman	is haskell-lsp suitable for a client to be used?
2018-02-01 16:04:02	Franciman	I'm still trying to write a client for my editor, but I gave up using bash, and wanted to try writing it in haskell
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2018-02-01 16:27:28	alanz	Franciman, haskell-ide-engine uses haskell-lsp for the server side
2018-02-01 16:27:50	alanz	Not sure how/if it would work for the client, but the datatypes should be good
2018-02-01 16:28:13	alanz	The state/message flow management would not necessarily be useful thought
2018-02-01 16:28:43	alanz	And in other news, typed hole refinement is coming to GHC: https://phabricator.haskell.org/D4357
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2018-02-01 16:30:00	wz1000	alanz: yeah
2018-02-01 16:30:24	Franciman	thanks alanz 
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2018-02-01 16:42:51	domenkozar	hie-nix update: https://github.com/input-output-hk/stack2nix/pull/87 is merged
2018-02-01 16:43:06	domenkozar	once I add stack-yaml cli option to stack2nix I think I should have first thing ready
2018-02-01 16:43:12	domenkozar	still shaving yaks :)
2018-02-01 16:44:31	alanz	great. Progress.
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2018-02-01 20:15:57	wz1000	alanz: in the gsoc faq:
2018-02-01 20:16:03	wz1000	Can I participate in GSoC as both a mentor and a student?
2018-02-01 20:16:04	wz1000	No. We want to make sure that each project and student receives sufficient attention, and we feel this could create a bad experience for those involved. Please choose whether participation as a mentor or a student is more appealing to you and plan to apply accordingly.
2018-02-01 20:16:10	wz1000	https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/faq
2018-02-01 20:17:27	alanz	That's a bugger
2018-02-01 20:17:46	alanz	Well, I will be the mentor, and you can chip in from the side if you see a need
2018-02-01 20:18:10	alanz	Its basically being aware of the project and talking on IRC (in my experience), so likely to happen anywat
2018-02-01 20:18:15	alanz	wz1000, ^^
2018-02-01 20:18:15	wz1000	here it does say: Many members of the community provide guidance to their project’s GSoC students without mentoring in an “official” capacity, much as they would answer anyone’s questions on the project’s mailing list or IRC channel.
2018-02-01 20:18:21	wz1000	https://google.github.io/gsocguides/mentor/
2018-02-01 20:18:30	alanz	yes, that's what I see happening.
2018-02-01 20:18:58	alanz	This whole thing does not have to be all that formal, imo. The main thing is that the work actually gets done, and we see that very quickly
2018-02-01 20:55:20	alanz	wz1000, can I merge the hie submodules PR?
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2018-02-02 01:37:06	wz1000	alanz: yes
2018-02-02 01:37:20	alanz	great
2018-02-02 01:38:18	--	Notice(GitHub68): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #456:  Get rid of all submodules except hie-plugin-api (master...reduce-hie-packages) https://git.io/vN56d
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2018-02-02 01:38:21	--	Notice(GitHub3): haskell-ide-engine/master dc2c918 Alan Zimmerman: Collapse hie-base into hie-plugin-api
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2018-02-02 02:35:04	domenkozar	auto formatting breaks code
2018-02-02 02:35:12	domenkozar	to extend where it doesn't compile :D
2018-02-02 02:35:26	domenkozar	also I don't like the style, what guide does it follow?
2018-02-02 02:42:12	alanz	domenkozar, the formatting is done be brittany, speak to hexagoxel 
2018-02-02 02:42:32	alanz	does that mean hie now works in nix?
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2018-02-02 03:18:13	domenkozar	I have it working
2018-02-02 03:18:19	domenkozar	will review tomorrow and show results :)
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2018-02-02 03:28:51	infinisil	domenkozar: awesome!
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2018-02-02 12:54:18	alanz	domenkozar, awesome. It means we can start getting contributions from the nix community too :)
2018-02-02 13:03:36	--	Notice(GitHub125): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #458: Rationalise command line arguments (master...cleanup-cli-options) https://git.io/vNbbZ
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2018-02-02 13:49:19	alanz	wz1000, I just gave you the ability to be op on this channel
2018-02-02 13:49:49	alanz	does anyone else want it?
2018-02-02 15:26:33	domenkozar	infinisil: https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix
2018-02-02 15:26:37	domenkozar	give it a try :)
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2018-02-02 16:41:51	infinisil	domenkozar: Nice!
2018-02-02 16:41:55	infinisil	Will do shortly
2018-02-02 16:46:30	infinisil	domenkozar: the first thing i noticed is that nix-build -A hie-8.2 doesn't work because there's a dot in the attribute, maybe add a note somewhere that `nix-build -A '"hie-8.2"'` needs to be used
2018-02-02 16:48:42	alanz	I am pretty sure it says 8.0.2 only ...
2018-02-02 16:49:04	alanz	ok, nvm
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2018-02-02 17:43:41	infinisil	wow are you serious
2018-02-02 17:43:45	infinisil	oh wrong channel sry
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2018-02-02 19:30:01	infinisil	domenkozar: this sure takes a while to compile
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2018-02-02 23:25:22	infinisil	domenkozar: works!
2018-02-02 23:26:20	infinisil	Async completion from master makes development bearable finally
2018-02-02 23:26:36	alanz	infinisil, good to hear
2018-02-02 23:26:59	infinisil	domenkozar: you seem to be using your local stack2nix though, but I guess that's only temporary
2018-02-02 23:27:04	infinisil	alanz: :D
2018-02-02 23:27:17	infinisil	alanz: thanks for your work on HIE!
2018-02-02 23:28:09	alanz	Well, wz1000 did all that async completion stuff. And most of the stuff to get it usable
2018-02-02 23:30:00	infinisil	wz1000: Thank you too!
2018-02-02 23:31:08	infinisil	I also did some stuff for open-source today, all the hard work from other people makes me motivated. open source is beautiful
2018-02-02 23:35:04	alanz	agree
2018-02-02 23:35:26	alanz	it builds, accumulates. Can't be taken away
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2018-02-03 01:38:35	infinisil	Alright I have a problem now: as soon as i declare anything in build-depends (other than base) in my cabal file, HIE freezes on completion 
2018-02-03 01:38:52	infinisil	well none of it works, no highlighting, etc.
2018-02-03 01:40:08	infinisil	A special thing I have is that I enabled `nix: True` in my ~/.cabal/config, such that for commands like `cabal build` it calls `nix-shell --run "cabal build"` instead
2018-02-03 01:44:05	infinisil	Here are the logs of such a session: https://git.io/vNAIz
2018-02-03 01:45:27	infinisil	That is: Open haskell file, wait for finish loading, go to function definition (expecting a highlight), but nothing happens
2018-02-03 01:46:18	infinisil	Deleting the additional dependency from my cabal file makes it work
2018-02-03 01:47:21	infinisil	It's a cabal project, which should use nix' package set (via cabal2nix)
2018-02-03 01:50:32	infinisil	Here is the project and the relevant files: https://github.com/infinisil/haskell (+ the ~/.cabal/config nix: True)
2018-02-03 01:51:38	infinisil	I'm using domenkozar's hie-nix version, so 8edd031fc9c53539d53a634e24ca6be8062dcbff, the 8.2 one
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2018-02-03 02:17:10	domenkozar	infinisil: yeah I'll get stack2nix instructins ready soon
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2018-02-04 19:19:22	alanz	Interesing. When I run hie with --ekg enabled, after a while of use, and leaving it to settle, ekg reports 900M in use, but top says 2.4G
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2018-02-04 23:05:19	wz1000	alanz: are you free?
2018-02-04 23:22:38	alanz	wz1000, I just discovered I am not. I had done some work for my wife which got lost, so I have to redo it :(
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2018-02-04 23:40:30	domenkozar	infinisil: so https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix works? :)
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2018-02-05 00:05:45	reactormonk	Got vscode go to definition spinning, any way to poke hie?
2018-02-05 01:05:28	infinisil	domenkozar: yeah! Thanks a lot!
2018-02-05 01:27:35	domenkozar	great :)
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2018-02-07 19:30:06	LiamClark	Hi, I saw case splitting and type insertion in the planned feature list, is there any ongoing work for this? and if not could I have a crack at it?
2018-02-07 19:35:24	alanz	LiamClark, you are welcome to
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2018-02-08 19:57:57	reactormonk	alanz, sick for a few more days and bored - could you toss me an issue or two to work on? My skill level is average, don't understand ekmett libraries, but can use them.
2018-02-08 20:01:58	alanz	reactormonk, let me take a look
2018-02-08 20:03:21	alanz	This https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/460 should be straightforward, to at least get something happening, without needing too much detail
2018-02-08 20:03:33	alanz	And it will help with the user experience quite a bit
2018-02-08 20:06:58	reactormonk	Looks straightforward enough, I'll have to start digging through the documentation - would this issue also involve changes to the vscode etc. frontend?
2018-02-08 20:10:39	alanz	no
2018-02-08 20:11:06	alanz	It should basically send a message, using the same mechanism as for saying what version of the hoogle db is being used
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2018-02-08 20:11:37	alanz	And for bonus points not send an error "Module not loaded" while it is being compiled
2018-02-08 20:14:42	alanz	reactormonk, you should be working in this file: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs
2018-02-08 20:26:55	reactormonk	Thanks, that should be plenty to get me started
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2018-02-10 00:41:51	mpickering	Can I get hie to show me GHC warnings like it does hlint suggestions?
2018-02-10 00:50:31	mpickering	oh it does with -Wall in the cabal file
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2018-02-10 13:31:35	--	Notice(GitHub123): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #465: Update for cabal-helper 0.8.0.2 (master...update-cabal-helper) https://git.io/vALMT
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2018-02-11 01:57:17	--	Notice(GitHub114): haskell-ide-engine/master 323bfb8 Alan Zimmerman: Update for cabal-helper 0.8.0.2
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2018-02-11 13:19:37	wz1000	alanz: have you seen this: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/70
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2018-02-11 15:03:15	alanz	wz1000, thanks for the heads up. I wish I got notifications for the damn things. github is a pain
2018-02-11 15:03:53	alanz	hmm, not too keen to entrench more UTF16
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2018-02-11 16:11:32	wz1000	alanz: but it matches LSP
2018-02-11 16:25:22	alanz	I guess, the windows thing
2018-02-11 16:25:54	alanz	In principle I have no problem, so long as it works.  It will need to be matched all the way through, of course
2018-02-11 16:26:17	alanz	I just don't want to paint us into a corner, hence my mail to haskell-cafe
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2018-02-11 21:01:41	matchray	https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues/376
2018-02-11 21:03:01	matchray	utf16 is silly we should gang up and ask them to change
2018-02-11 21:20:18	wz1000	alanz: I don't really have an opinion
2018-02-11 21:20:31	wz1000	But this test is definitely something we should have
2018-02-11 21:20:33	wz1000	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/70/files#diff-2bcce057ffa689b74375ce1910c150f2R251
2018-02-11 21:40:20	cocreature	how do I figure out why hie is still failing with “module not loaded” after > 10 minutes? I’ve tried looking at the logs but I couldn’t find anything that seemed relevant
2018-02-11 21:40:25	cocreature	ftr here’s the log https://gist.github.com/cocreature/5bc57b118e478df74ea4ff77c401d923
2018-02-11 21:41:50	cocreature	ah maybe “setTypecheckedModule: Didn't get typechecked module for …” is the thing that’s failing
2018-02-11 21:41:59	cocreature	although it still doesn’t tell me anything about what might be going wrong
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2018-02-11 21:44:30	wz1000	cocreature: is it using a lot of cpu?
2018-02-11 21:44:40	alanz	matchray, I saw a rant recently about the java string type, and how bad it was due to utf-16, and getting partial chars and stuff like that
2018-02-11 21:45:14	alanz	cocreature, there is an issue about clarifing what is going on with loading, and providing decent feedback
2018-02-11 21:45:56	wz1000	cocreature: are you using cpp imports and stuff like that?
2018-02-11 21:46:24	wz1000	turn on vomt ( --vomit ) and it will tell you more in the output window of vscode
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2018-02-11 22:18:34	cocreature	wz1000: it’s not using a lot of cpu and at least in this module I’m not using CPP. the project however uses lots of it so I’m not particularly surprised it breaks :) I’ll try --vomit later
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2018-02-11 23:11:32	cocreature	hm I made a wrapper script that calls "hie-8.2 --vomit -d -l /tmp/mylog "$@" | tee /tmp/hie-wire.log" but that in combination with a bit of "stack clean" and removing of cabal sandbox directories and dist seems to have broken it completely. however over symbols in vscode just shows “loading” and I don’t see any responses in the log:
2018-02-11 23:11:34	cocreature	https://gist.github.com/cocreature/094c5eecf1e4e8fdc2343f9a6663aa9f
2018-02-11 23:11:49	cocreature	sorry if I’m being stupid here
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2018-02-11 23:48:30	wz1000	cocreature: --vomit puts its output in stderr i think
2018-02-11 23:48:57	wz1000	in vscode they go to the output tab under "Language Server Haskell"
2018-02-11 23:49:10	cocreature	that’s completely empty
2018-02-11 23:49:49	wz1000	There should be a dropdown menu with different options
2018-02-11 23:50:02	wz1000	Tasks, Search, Extensions, Git
2018-02-11 23:50:11	wz1000	Language Server Haskell
2018-02-11 23:50:42	wz1000	cocreature: ^
2018-02-11 23:50:56	cocreature	ah there it is, thanks!
2018-02-11 23:57:51	cocreature	nice, it’s working! Thanks again wz1000 and alanz 
2018-02-12 00:08:46	alanz	cocreature, what was wrong?
2018-02-12 00:09:47	cocreature	alanz: I think initially it was building using a cabal sandbox I had lying around and failed due to some hsc file not being found. the second failure was me being stupid and not realizing I was still on a 8.0 snapshot while trying to use hie 8.2
2018-02-12 00:10:30	alanz	yes, that is another high priority issue. To report that, so you know to do something about it. Basic usability stuff
2018-02-12 00:10:55	cocreature	I’m really impressed that it works! the combination of foreign libs, hsc and a complex Setup.hs used in llvm-hs has been pretty successfull at killing Haskell tooling so far :)
2018-02-12 00:11:23	alanz	Thats good to hear.
2018-02-12 00:11:45	alanz	We basically mimic what cabal does, and stack. So it should be pretty robust
2018-02-12 00:12:25	cocreature	"stack ghci" can’t handle it :)
2018-02-12 00:12:40	cocreature	fails due to not parsing the custom Setup.hs properly
2018-02-12 00:13:36	alanz	stack is for stack stuff, anything out of the ordinary and you are on your own
2018-02-12 00:14:18	alanz	Which is basically why I hate opinionated approaches. Everything is wonderful until you step out of the reccomended way, and then you are screwed
2018-02-12 00:14:28	cocreature	yeah
2018-02-12 00:14:36	alanz	normal IDEs, frameworks, etc.
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2018-02-12 00:14:59	alanz	And you *always* need to do something unusual eventually
2018-02-12 00:20:34	cocreature	yeah it’s really annoying to get to the point in complexity where $shinytool just breaks down completely
2018-02-12 00:22:19	alanz	And you are normally all-in at that point, so totally screwed. So I prefer keeping things flexible from the beginning, adapt the tool to the user, not the other way around.
2018-02-12 01:07:39	cocreature	can I somehow restart hie from within emacs? I have a multi-package project and it doesn’t seem to pick up changes in one of the dependencies
2018-02-12 01:15:33	alanz	cocreature, not at the moment. There is an issue for it, but I think it is more complex than it seems on the surface.
2018-02-12 01:16:15	cocreature	alanz: what is more complex than it seems? adding a restart option or properly handling multi-package projects?
2018-02-12 01:17:30	alanz	The restart. I am talking client side. What IDE are you using? emacs?
2018-02-12 01:17:34	cocreature	yep
2018-02-12 01:17:36	alanz	I am thinking of https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-mode/issues/24
2018-02-12 01:18:37	cocreature	ah indeed, thanks for the pointer
2018-02-12 01:18:55	alanz	And there are others too: https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-mode/issues/77, https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-mode/issues/111
2018-02-12 01:19:36	alanz	I think it boils down to potentially closing all the buffers associated with the server when it is restarted
2018-02-12 01:19:46	alanz	Which is one of the things intero dies
2018-02-12 01:20:20	alanz	But maybe it is simpler than that, you can achieve the effect by manually closing all the buffers, then opening them again
2018-02-12 01:21:11	alanz	Maybe just cycling the mode in each buffer to fundamental mode and back would do it too, as a hack
2018-02-12 01:25:06	cocreature	at that point restarting emacs is easier :)
2018-02-12 01:26:07	alanz	unfortunately
2018-02-12 01:26:36	cocreature	all that time that I put into making emacs start up reasonably fast must be good for something :)
2018-02-12 01:27:23	alanz	I was thinking of that as a process to implement the reset. Run through the list of buffers managed by the server and put them all in fundamental, kill the server then switch them back.
2018-02-12 01:27:59	alanz	So it mimics closing all the buffers and reopening them. Or just do that, I gues
2018-02-12 01:28:33	alanz	So it guarantees to kick in all the cleanup for other stuff like flycheck etc
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2018-02-13 13:39:07	matchray	an awesome feature https://ptpb.pw/Rt-w.gif
2018-02-13 13:39:51	matchray	when the server crashes, I have to C-x C-b and close all related buffers
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2018-02-13 13:51:05	alanz	matchray, I know, its a thing we need to sort out, at the client level
2018-02-13 13:51:17	alanz	you are using lsp-mode in emacs?
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2018-02-13 13:59:20	matchray	yes, lsp-mode + lsp-ui
2018-02-13 14:02:53	alanz	I thought so. Restarting a session is one of the important UI things to get right still.
2018-02-13 14:03:11	alanz	you are the main guy on lsp-ui?
2018-02-13 14:03:51	alanz	one of them.
2018-02-13 14:06:57	matchray	not the main guy but the owner somehow gave me membership
2018-02-13 14:07:35	matchray	https://github.com/cquery-project/cquery/releases/tag/v20180213
2018-02-13 14:08:06	matchray	obviously haskell does not need read/write/call/addressof diffentiation
2018-02-13 14:08:37	matchray	comment jumping is just so interesting
2018-02-13 14:11:00	alanz	Yes, I remember this now. 
2018-02-13 14:11:12	alanz	You have an external db for the meta information?
2018-02-13 14:11:44	alanz	Which is something I want to do fror hie some day. Or revive/reuse one of the existing ones, such as scion, or leksah
2018-02-13 14:18:47	matchray	no external db, in memory
2018-02-13 14:18:56	matchray	and it turns out not too bad
2018-02-13 14:19:04	matchray	2GiB for projects as large as llvm
2018-02-13 14:34:13	alanz	ok, nice. The GHC stuff is huge, need to find a way to reduce it
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2018-02-13 15:39:15	ktonga	g'day people. One little thing, logs url should be http://ircbrowse.net/browse/haskell-ide-engine
2018-02-13 15:40:06	alanz	ktonga, thanks, will see if I can fix it
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2018-02-13 15:48:32	wz1000	matchray: we have go to definition and document highlight in HIE - we use write for symbol definitions and read for usages
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2018-02-13 21:19:17	wz1000	mpickering: I just saw this: https://github.com/haskell-org/summer-of-haskell/pull/46/files
2018-02-13 21:19:50	mpickering	you seem to be the first ;)
2018-02-13 21:20:19	wz1000	that plugin extension was something we really needed
2018-02-13 21:20:36	wz1000	There is a nasty hack in HIE to get the typechecked module
2018-02-13 21:21:07	mpickering	Can you write a comment here perhaps? https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/107
2018-02-13 21:21:37	mpickering	but note, I'm not exactly sure it will work well for projects like HIE as plugins current operate on one module at a time
2018-02-13 21:22:14	wz1000	that is the way hie works as well
2018-02-13 21:23:07	mpickering	so how would you imagine using a plugin?
2018-02-13 21:25:01	wz1000	I imagine we could compile the source with plugin+ghc - and the plugin would stash the info somewhere HIE can access it
2018-02-13 21:25:30	mpickering	or.. you could setup HIE as a server which the plugin pipes information into 
2018-02-13 21:25:54	mpickering	so when a module changes, the user reruns "cabal build" with the plugin enabled which pipes the new information into HIE
2018-02-13 21:26:14	mpickering	that seems like a potentially elegant design 
2018-02-13 21:26:19	mpickering	?
2018-02-13 21:26:31	wz1000	HIE is already an LSP server
2018-02-13 21:28:01	wz1000	HIE works in a very different way currently - I think it would be a good idea to expose the same stuff the new plugin api exposes as ghc hooks
2018-02-13 21:28:31	wz1000	right now we use hooks to grab the typechecked module, but I believe the module is typechecked twice
2018-02-13 21:28:40	wz1000	because ghc doesn't expose the right hook
2018-02-13 21:28:55	wz1000	see https://github.com/wz1000/ghc-mod/blob/hie-integration-rebased-split-up-3/core/src/GhcMod/ModuleLoader.hs
2018-02-13 21:32:17	wz1000	mpickering: Another thing i was thinking - most of the info the plugin extensions expose are available in HIE too. so if anybody writes any analysis using that, HIE should also be able to easily take advantage of that
2018-02-13 21:33:13	mpickering	please post your perspective on the issue so that I can get this proposal accepted :)
2018-02-13 21:37:03	matchray	FYI in clang land, Apple people are building libindexstore to avoid compiling twice. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cH2sTpgSnJZCkZtJl1aY-rzy4uGPcrI-6RrUpdATO2Q/edit?usp=sharing
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2018-02-14 10:01:57	matchray	what we store in memory, for Type/Var/Func are 100~200 bytes for each entity, https://github.com/cquery-project/cquery/blob/master/src/query.h#L131
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2018-02-14 14:07:35	alanz	mpickering, wz1000 : using compact regions and mmap for storing hie module data sounds very interesting to me
2018-02-14 14:07:44	 *	alanz reading the #ghc backscroll
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2018-02-14 16:00:30	mpickering	wz1000: If you want to play around with a source plugin you need to add the patch which implements them as well
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2018-02-14 20:17:15	alanz	So, I am working on porting HaRe to 8.4.1, using cabal new-build.  But at the same time hie is running with straight cabal and GHC 8.2.2, so I can confirm my (CPP based) changes work for both, at the same time
2018-02-14 20:17:31	alanz	Which makes me think that this could be an awesome feature
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2018-02-15 07:57:20	dpren	I figure there's some missing class constraints, but I don't know the architecture well enough
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2018-02-15 13:47:03	wz1000	dpren: you should add the MonadMTState IdeState m to the typeclass definition for cacheDataProducer
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2018-02-15 14:34:38	dpren	Right, I did. I think I was just compiling wrong, I'll check again later.
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2018-02-15 16:41:42	wz1000	dpren: you might have to fix the typeerrors arising from modifying that constraint
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2018-02-16 13:48:51	--	Notice(GitHub115): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #472: Moved HIE specific commands to a new module, cleaned up haddock(no in… (master...master) https://git.io/vAcPK
2018-02-16 13:49:47	wz1000	alanz: ^
2018-02-16 13:49:55	wz1000	can you test with vscode before merging?
2018-02-16 13:50:10	wz1000	because my vscode isn't working for some reason
2018-02-16 13:50:25	alanz	wz1000, ok. But I will only be able to get to it later today, I need to go out for a few hours shortly
2018-02-16 13:50:29	wz1000	ok
2018-02-16 13:50:42	wz1000	dpren: you should also take a look at this PR
2018-02-16 13:51:02	wz1000	I've moved the entire completion stuff and a lot more stuff to a new module
2018-02-16 13:51:44	wz1000	If it messes with your work too much, I can hold off the PR until you get your stuff in
2018-02-16 13:53:18	wz1000	alanz: any idea what is happening here? AesonException "Error in $.packages.cassava.constraints.flags['bytestring--lt-0_10_4']: Invalid flag name: \"bytestring--lt-0_10_4\""
2018-02-16 13:53:21	wz1000	https://circleci.com/gh/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/240
2018-02-16 13:54:40	alanz	wz1000, that is because stack needs to be upgraded.  There was a gratuitous change in that package, and stack had to adapt for it
2018-02-16 13:54:53	alanz	Maybe blow away the cache on the build to make sure
2018-02-16 13:54:55	wz1000	so how do I fix it?
2018-02-16 13:54:59	wz1000	I tried doing that
2018-02-16 13:55:19	alanz	make sure there is a "stack upgrade" in the build script
2018-02-16 13:56:52	wz1000	there is
2018-02-16 13:57:01	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/circle.yml#L14
2018-02-16 13:58:00	alanz	your build shows a stack setup that fails, with no preceding stack upgrade
2018-02-16 13:59:45	alanz	Need to swap these two lines: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/circle.yml#L13
2018-02-16 14:00:19	alanz	wz1000, ^
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2018-02-16 20:03:26	dpren	wz1000: Go ahead and merge it in. It should be easy for me to merge.
2018-02-16 20:03:57	alanz	wz1000, I am building it locally now, to test with vscode
2018-02-16 20:13:23	alanz	wz1000, I think the timeouts need to change from 7200 to 14400
2018-02-16 20:13:33	alanz	as per the rest in the circle.yml
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2018-02-17 01:33:03	--	Notice(GitHub18): [haskell-ide-engine] dpren opened pull request #473: Add typeclass constraints - rearrange modules to resolve circular dependencies (master...master) https://git.io/vACQu
2018-02-17 01:33:58	dpren	wz1000: I've got a PR for you to look at too ^
2018-02-17 01:36:26	dpren	I needed to lift some type definitions higher in the dependency graph
2018-02-17 01:40:18	dpren	so I moved them into new modules: PluginsIdeMonads.hs and GhcModuleCache.hs
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2018-02-17 01:41:53	dpren	the naming is a bit silly now, but I figure we can come back to it
2018-02-17 01:43:17	wz1000	looks good
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2018-02-17 14:19:57	alanz	wz1000, my commit lengthening the timeouts shows a pass on CI for your PR. So if you do that too, we can merge
2018-02-17 14:20:10	alanz	wz1000, dpren : what order should we merge at the moment?
2018-02-17 14:22:29	alanz	And my thoughts are that once those two are in, we start working in the replacement for yi.rope, so we can accept the haskell-lsp pr
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2018-02-17 20:54:13	dpren	alanz: I don't think it matters, but do wz1000s first. Mine is low priority.
2018-02-17 20:55:01	alanz	ok, I *am* waiting for him to update the circle.yml though
2018-02-17 20:56:31	alanz	And I am hoping to get back into things soon too, just scratching an itch on the emacs client (https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-mode/issues/24)
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2018-02-18 03:19:31	--	Notice(GitHub199): [haskell-ide-engine] theGhostJW opened pull request #474: Update README.md (master...patch-1) https://git.io/vAlv6
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2018-02-18 07:35:49	dgpratt	trying to set up and use HIE with VS Code on Nix; cloned and installed via "stack install --nix"; when I open a Haskell project in VS code, I see the following output in "Language Server Haskell" https://gist.github.com/anonymous/c8256cae546fbe77859d530351395e28
2018-02-18 07:38:57	dgpratt	hmm...realized that I still didn't have "ghc" installed -- once I installed it, I got a different, more interesting output -- investigating...
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2018-02-18 12:46:24	wz1000	dgpratt: you need `make` also
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2018-02-18 15:17:07	--	Notice(GitHub39): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #474: Update README.md (master...patch-1) https://git.io/vAlv6
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2018-02-18 19:54:25	dgpratt	still getting error(s) on launch: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/1ffe4e3f7ca6a26337bf425083872cf3
2018-02-18 19:55:31	dgpratt	looks like maybe it's looking for bash in a particular place and can't find it? guessing this may have something to do with running on NixOS, which tends to put such things in atypical places
2018-02-18 19:59:30	dgpratt	I also think it's a bit curious that HIE is apparently downloading/configuring isolated GHC/GHCJS binaries because those binaries (with the specified versions) are already on the PATH in the environment
2018-02-18 20:00:12	wz1000	dgpratt: if you can ensure `stack build` works on your project, hie should also work
2018-02-18 20:06:39	dgpratt	wz1000: ah, I see now those errors are coming straight from stack -- I'll look in that direction, thanks
2018-02-18 21:13:17	alanz	dgpratt, there is a specific nix setup for hie
2018-02-18 21:13:53	alanz	so scratch around for a hie.nix or some such
2018-02-18 21:14:00	alanz	I guess we need to update the docs
2018-02-18 21:15:47	dgpratt	alanz: thanks for the advice, but I think there may be another more fundamental problem that doesn't relate to HIE: when I do "stack build --nix" I get "only GHC is supported by stack". Guessing this relates to the fact that this project uses GHCJS.
2018-02-18 21:16:37	alanz	I suspect the nix derivation for hie bypasses stack
2018-02-18 21:17:11	dgpratt	oh? that sounds promising, I'll try to track it down, thanks
2018-02-18 21:17:18	alanz	See https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix
2018-02-18 21:17:35	alanz	It is quite new
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2018-02-18 21:18:19	dgpratt	I'll try it, thanks alanz 
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2018-02-19 01:28:45	dgpratt	alanz: is there a setting I need to flip to use hie-nix, or should it just "discover" it?
2018-02-19 01:31:35	alanz	no idea. I know it exists, is all. Maybe ask on #nixos?
2018-02-19 01:31:47	alanz	Or, better, ping domenkozar 
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2018-02-19 01:38:26	mpickering	dgpratt: What are you trying to do?
2018-02-19 01:38:42	mpickering	You need to add it to your top level package set by using an overlay for example
2018-02-19 01:39:13	mpickering	Look here for inspiration - https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix/issues/1
2018-02-19 01:39:28	dgpratt	mpickering: oh, hmm...I'll check that out, thanks
2018-02-19 01:39:45	alanz	dgpratt, mpickering If you guys find out how to use hie with nix, please make a PR on the Readme, for the next person
2018-02-19 01:41:13	dgpratt	alanz: I'm new at most of this, but it may be relevant that I encountered problems in a project that uses GHCJS -- for all I know, it would work if not for that wrinkle
2018-02-19 01:41:31	mpickering	I have used hie for a project which uses ghcjs I think.. let me try it quickly
2018-02-19 01:42:25	alanz	thanks. Does it work with ghcjs?
2018-02-19 01:42:26	mpickering	dgpratt: Getting familiar with using overlays is useful for adding new packages which aren't in nixpkgs for whatever reason
2018-02-19 01:46:33	mpickering	oh hmm I don't think I ever actually tried
2018-02-19 01:46:34	dgpratt	thanks for the advice, though honestly at this point I'm contemplating when I should "cut my losses" ;)
2018-02-19 01:46:44	mpickering	and do what :) ?
2018-02-19 01:48:05	dgpratt	well I'm a pretty casual Haskeller, so believe it or not, up til now my needs have been met by VS Code + Haskero/Intero...running on Windows 10
2018-02-19 01:48:56	mpickering	fair enough
2018-02-19 01:49:13	mpickering	alanz: I don't know if hie works with ghcjs and my brief attempt to try failed
2018-02-19 01:49:34	mpickering	dgpratt: If you come back to using nixos then feel free to ping me for help with haskell questions 
2018-02-19 01:49:42	alanz	ok, I would be surprised to find that it did. But there is no real reason to suppose it would not
2018-02-19 01:50:03	dgpratt	I haven't quite given up yet mpickering, thanks
2018-02-19 01:50:19	dgpratt	I may take a break, though :P
2018-02-19 01:50:50	mpickering	using nixos is worthwhile imo without hie but my usage is not that typical probably
2018-02-19 01:50:58	mpickering	it took me a few goes to get going properly
2018-02-19 01:51:42	dgpratt	alanz: if I may say, one of the things that is motivating me is that HIE looks pretty durn cool -- I hope to get it working in some form in the near future
2018-02-19 01:53:00	alanz	dgpratt, I am loving it, now that it is in semi good-enough state for my daily use
2018-02-19 01:53:33	alanz	I use it on hie, to be honest, and love being able to go precisely to the definition of a thing. Even if it is local.
2018-02-19 02:08:35	dgpratt	I keep trying to talk myself into switching to some Linux distro as my "daily driver" (all these experiments are happening in a VM) because I think that's the only way I'm going to be able to develop the skills/intuition I'd need to resolve these kinds of issues. But even if I work up to that, I'm not sure I'm brave enough to go as far as NixOS and at best I'll "chicken out" and go with e.g. Ubuntu + Nix.
2018-02-19 02:09:07	alanz	dgpratt, what do you use as an O/S at the moment?
2018-02-19 02:09:51	dgpratt	as my daily driver? Windows 10 (he said somewhat sheepishly)
2018-02-19 02:10:34	dgpratt	but that's probably what SPJ uses!
2018-02-19 02:12:12	dgpratt	and also I develop software that runs on a Windows platform for a living, so that's a pretty good excuse too, right?
2018-02-19 02:15:11	alanz	The best
2018-02-19 02:23:10	mpickering	I have a nixos server (aka machine in the corner of my office) so don't use it for a desktop
2018-02-19 02:25:13	alanz	I am toying with doing that. Perhaps with a digital ocean box
2018-02-19 02:25:31	alanz	Its one of the many things on my "learn more about x" list
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2018-02-19 03:19:56	sm	dgpratt: I tried hie with vs code recently, this seems to be one of the easier setups, why do you need nix ?
2018-02-19 03:20:40	sm	alanz: thanks for your work on hie! this is the first time I've seen it in action
2018-02-19 03:22:08	sm	hmm, at least I think I saw it in action. No joy right now
2018-02-19 03:22:29	dgpratt	sm: it's less about need and more about creating the ideal environment for coding in Haskell -- many folks seem to say positive things about using Nix in conjunction with Haskell, so...
2018-02-19 03:23:13	sm	go for it, but sometimes that's overblown. For most of us it's not at all necessary
2018-02-19 03:24:18	 *	sm fixes by restarting vscode
2018-02-19 03:26:59	dgpratt	ironically, I assumed I would have less issues getting HIE working on NixOS than on Windows 10 (well I say "ironically" but that may yet be the truth) -- I realize I'm ignoring a rather large middle ground here
2018-02-19 03:28:03	sm	so I was trying to get hie working with IDEA/intellij .. https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/469 . I think I've figured out it's because intellij-lsp is very immature (since hie seems to work well for emacs and vs code)
2018-02-19 03:29:31	sm	also, jetbrains is a bit anti-LSP, so no official support from them yet. https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEABKL-7409 would be a good place to vote/discuss, if you'd like to see that
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2018-02-19 03:32:12	sm	back to vscode+hie, I have a few questions.. sometimes there is a lag before I see hie actions working, or sometimes they stop working until I restart. What's a good way to see more detail, eg logs, for troubleshooting ?
2018-02-19 03:33:21	dgpratt	alanz: I'm not sure I understand the current state of affairs regarding https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/439#issuecomment-359801662 -- it sounds like there either is or will be some setting to tweak in VS Code to tell it to use the versioned "nix" hie?
2018-02-19 03:33:58	sm	second, I have haskero currently disabled. What happens if I enable it along with lsp ? where do they overlap, and can I be sure each will do the things it's best and fastest at ?
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2018-02-19 03:37:22	sm	third, I saw the --lsp flag used in some doc. Is that required ?
2018-02-19 03:37:50	sm	fourth, in a stack project should you run hie in the stack project context, with stack exec ?
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2018-02-19 03:45:31	sm	also, I have been quite confused about the various parts for a while. As I understand it now there is a per-language language server, which for haskell is haskell-ide-engine, providing executable hie, developed mainly by alanz. And there is a per-ide/editor language server client, which for vs code is the "Haskell Language Server" extension (elsewhere it's titled Haskell Language Server Client), also by alanz. The ide typically starts
2018-02-19 03:45:31	sm	both the client and server when needed, eg at startup or on demand.
2018-02-19 03:48:09	sm	as with X windows the client/server terminology is very confusing when starting out
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2018-02-19 06:21:56	michalrus	Hey, is this expected that Emacs with lsp-haskell and emacs-lsp is… »very« laggy? :(
2018-02-19 06:22:21	michalrus	As if too much was happening on UI thread.
2018-02-19 06:27:24	michalrus	Hmm, now it started responding normally. :o
2018-02-19 06:41:15	michalrus	Ohhh, it’s actually amazing, when compared to Dante or Intero. ♥
2018-02-19 06:41:22	michalrus	Thank you so much!
2018-02-19 06:41:37	sm	michalrus: nice.. how is it better than those ?
2018-02-19 06:41:44	michalrus	It works. ^.^’
2018-02-19 06:41:57	sm	killer feature! :)
2018-02-19 06:42:25	michalrus	Intero is cool, but it won’t work with multi-target projects built with Nix instead of Stack.
2018-02-19 06:43:10	michalrus	Dante will but it… stutters; the bigger the project, the more often…
2018-02-19 08:15:02	michalrus	After getting used to all previous solutions, I just want to cry now — it’s so wonderful.
2018-02-19 08:18:42	michalrus	+ a v. simple runner, to start in in project’s nix-shell: https://github.com/michalrus/kornel/commit/fd314f372e8316a9642f07b1ccf6793ed486b667#diff-2e2cfffb77cf5d1224bc1a373ea10dcc
2018-02-19 08:19:33	michalrus	+ a little elisp (:/) to use these runners if they’re defined: https://github.com/michalrus/dotfiles/blob/e09a2a754da0fc456a01d7dc866f8377809dcb09/dotfiles/emacs/.emacs.d/init.d/080-proglang-haskell.el#L30-L34
2018-02-19 08:19:43	michalrus	Works like charm. ♥ ♥ ♥
2018-02-19 08:19:50	michalrus	Thank you once more.
2018-02-19 08:23:36	michalrus	But perhaps it should use /tmp/hie-${username}-${project}.log by default. I’ll try tomorrow how it behaves with unclean /tmp, after I switch to the work account. =]
2018-02-19 08:32:59	 *	sm finds the logs in Output pane
2018-02-19 08:34:58	sm	what might fix hie: /Users/simon/.stack/snapshots/x86_64-osx/lts-9.1/8.0.2/pkgdb/package.cache: GHC.PackageDb.readPackageDb: inappropriate type (not enough bytes) ?
2018-02-19 08:40:54	sm	if I cmd-click on a symbol and the progress meter starts cycling at top.. but nothing new shows in the Language Server log pane.. what's happening ?
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2018-02-19 10:24:16	wz1000	sm: that means you are using a version fo hie compiled with the wrong ghc
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2018-02-19 10:47:51	sm	hmm. thanks
2018-02-19 10:53:27	matchray	spacemacs lsp merged. do you have plan to add hie layer?
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2018-02-19 11:32:56	alanz	matchray, I would like to see one, but am unlikely to do it myself. hint hin
2018-02-19 11:32:57	alanz	t
2018-02-19 11:46:52	alanz	And I am going to be offline for 2 days
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2018-02-19 17:55:18	michalrus	How can I, in the vscode extension, specify HIE’s executable path?
2018-02-19 17:59:51	michalrus	Oops, there seems to be no such option.
2018-02-19 18:00:06	michalrus	It would be very useful for running HIE in context of a nix-shell.
2018-02-19 18:00:11	michalrus	I’ll add an issue.
2018-02-19 18:06:31	michalrus	https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/issues/48
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2018-02-19 18:59:02	michalrus	How should I debug it further if for some projects HIE doesn’t respond at all? In the debug log I see only ---> requests, after few initial messages.
2018-02-19 18:59:46	michalrus	No error messages in the editor, none in the log. It just hangs.
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2018-02-19 20:11:21	michalrus	It seems to be https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/468#issuecomment-366712277
2018-02-19 20:12:19	michalrus	So it stops responding after sending `publishDiagnostics`. Hmm.
2018-02-19 20:19:49	michalrus	OMG, there’s an error on stderr!
2018-02-19 20:19:57	michalrus	Not visible in emacs.
2018-02-19 20:20:23	michalrus	Shouldn’t stderr be logged to that same debug file, -d?
2018-02-19 20:25:05	sm	sounds good to me
2018-02-19 20:25:39	michalrus	I’ll post an issue.
2018-02-19 20:34:09	michalrus	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/475
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2018-02-19 21:29:00	michalrus	I “fixed” that previous issue. :ashamed: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/468#issuecomment-366733820
2018-02-19 21:29:11	michalrus	But stderr would still be very nice.
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2018-02-20 20:28:42	dpren	wz1000: do you know if ghcmod has any facilities for finding completions local to a function's scope?
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2018-02-21 01:49:02	wz1000	dpren: I don't think so
2018-02-21 01:49:28	wz1000	You'll have to traverse the ast to collect all definitions yourself
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2018-02-21 01:57:02	Denommus	hey
2018-02-21 01:57:16	Denommus	I get a timeout for everything I try to do, plus "Error from the Language Server: IdeError {ideCode = PluginError, ideMessage = "getSymbolAtPoint: \"module not loaded\"", ideInfo = Null} (Internal Error)"
2018-02-21 01:57:28	Denommus	the error from the language server is when opening some buffers
2018-02-21 01:57:43	Denommus	I'm using Emacs, btw
2018-02-21 02:01:19	cocreature	Denommus: how are you building your project?
2018-02-21 02:06:31	Denommus	cocreature: stack
2018-02-21 02:07:00	cocreature	Denommus: are you sure the version of GHC corresponding to your stack resolver matches the one used to build hie?
2018-02-21 02:09:42	Denommus	cocreature: ah, is that a thing?
2018-02-21 02:09:50	cocreature	yep
2018-02-21 02:09:52	Denommus	ok, let me see about that
2018-02-21 02:13:09	Denommus	cocreature: is it possible to use an older GHC like 7.10.2?
2018-02-21 02:13:41	cocreature	afaik only 8.0 and 8.2 are supported atm but I might be wrong
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2018-02-21 02:16:32	Denommus	thanks
2018-02-21 02:21:02	Denommus	cocreature: the timeouts was solved, but the error from the language server was not
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2018-02-21 03:33:00	dpren	wz1000: ok well hopefully I can find the time
2018-02-21 03:37:25	dpren	wz1000: also do you know how the basic Complete Word IntelliSense interacts with LSP? It seems like those completions only show up if our server responds with nothing.
2018-02-21 03:40:25	dpren	I was thinking we could maybe union those with our results - but now that I think of it, it pulls in a lot of unwanted crap
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2018-02-21 16:34:37	--	Notice(GitHub137): [haskell-ide-engine] Tehnix created build-copy-compiler-tools (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vAE85
2018-02-21 16:34:38	--	Notice(GitHub137): haskell-ide-engine/build-copy-compiler-tools 0e93593 Christian Kjaer Laustsen: Add Makefile build that uses --copy-compiler-tool, along with a make icu-macos-fix for icu4c problems
2018-02-21 16:36:13	--	Notice(GitHub60): [haskell-ide-engine] Tehnix opened pull request #478: Add Makefile build that uses --copy-compiler-tool, along with a make icu-macos-fix for icu4c problems (master...build-copy-compiler-tools) https://git.io/vAE4l
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2018-02-21 18:30:14	elvishjerricco	Hey, I'm giving hie+vscode a try, but the extension doesn't seem to do anything after I've installed it. Trying ctl+alt+t results in `command 'hie.commands.showType' not found`. Is there like an on switch I'm missing?
2018-02-21 18:33:33	alanz	elvishjerricco, did you install hie too? What o/s?
2018-02-21 18:33:54	elvishjerricco	alanz: Yea. Though only via a `nix-shell`, within which I've launched `code`. NixOS
2018-02-21 18:34:38	alanz	nix is a different thing. Take a look for an issue about it, domenkozar has made a special .nix file for it
2018-02-21 18:35:02	domenkozar	yeah I think we need to fiddle a bit how to get it working with Nix projects
2018-02-21 18:35:08	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/357
2018-02-21 18:35:10	domenkozar	I'm using it succesfully for stack related things
2018-02-21 18:35:41	domenkozar	But I presume getting into nix-shell environment with all deps it should work
2018-02-21 18:35:56	domenkozar	alanz: does it need any runtime exectables like ghc-mod as an extra?
2018-02-21 18:36:02	elvishjerricco	Yea using it within a nix-shell like this should be the same as using it for a basic cabal+ghc setup
2018-02-21 18:36:10	domenkozar	yes
2018-02-21 18:36:23	domenkozar	I haven't played with this yet
2018-02-21 18:36:34	elvishjerricco	is there anyway to get any debug output?
2018-02-21 18:36:41	elvishjerricco	"languageServerHaskell.trace.server": "verbose" doesn't yield any info whatsoever
2018-02-21 18:36:49	alanz	domenkozar, no, ghc-mod is linked in, but it needs to be able to run cabal-helper
2018-02-21 18:36:58	domenkozar	ah! :)
2018-02-21 18:37:05	elvishjerricco	That could be it. I don't think I have that on the PATH
2018-02-21 18:37:07	domenkozar	elvishjerricco: make sure that one is available
2018-02-21 18:37:51	alanz	elvishjerricco, it sounds like hie is not able to find the executable.  There is a file hie-vscode.sh that is used to launch it, you can put some debug stuff in there
2018-02-21 18:38:21	alanz	or hie-wrapper, if you set the option for it
2018-02-21 18:38:40	domenkozar	elvishjerricco: how did you install hie?
2018-02-21 18:38:46	domenkozar	because it will be called hie-8.2
2018-02-21 18:38:48	elvishjerricco	alanz: What does it think the executable should be called? `hie` is on the PATH
2018-02-21 18:38:54	domenkozar	aha :)
2018-02-21 18:38:58	alanz	if necessary, we must put something into the vsocde plugin to be nix aware
2018-02-21 18:39:03	elvishjerricco	Needs to be `hie-8.2`?
2018-02-21 18:39:15	alanz	only if you use the wrapper
2018-02-21 18:39:17	domenkozar	elvishjerricco: are you sure it's called `hie`?
2018-02-21 18:39:22	elvishjerricco	yea
2018-02-21 18:40:53	domenkozar	I'd install cabal-helper and try again
2018-02-21 18:40:59	elvishjerricco	working on that :)
2018-02-21 18:41:07	alanz	languageServerHaskell.useHieWrapper decidec wether it will call hiewrapper.sh or hie-vscode.sh
2018-02-21 18:41:19	alanz	which in turn launches hie
2018-02-21 18:41:47	elvishjerricco	alanz: I haven't modified that setting at all. Where should it be expecting to find the script?
2018-02-21 18:41:50	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/hie-vscode.sh or https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/hie-wrapper.sh
2018-02-21 18:42:07	alanz	it comes in with the vscode plugin
2018-02-21 18:42:34	alanz	So for me it is installed to /home/alanz/.vscode/extensions/alanz.vscode-hie-server-0.0.8/hie-vscode.sh
2018-02-21 18:47:27	elvishjerricco	Urgh. Well now I've got a nix problem. cabal-helper is having a really hard time getting installed... Will come back when I fix that.
2018-02-21 18:47:40	elvishjerricco	domenkozar: had any problems with that?
2018-02-21 18:49:00	alanz	if you can install hie via stack (under nix), it should bring it in
2018-02-21 18:49:49	elvishjerricco	alanz: Unfortunately the longstanding goal here is to make all of this work via normal Nix means; else I can't add this kind of stuff to reflex-platform.
2018-02-21 18:50:11	alanz	fair enough
2018-02-21 18:50:31	alanz	does that mean running with ghcjs?
2018-02-21 18:50:35	elvishjerricco	what do you mean by "bring it in" though? Does `stack install` also install the cabal-helper exe?
2018-02-21 18:50:45	elvishjerricco	Nah, just GHC (reflex stuff can be built with GHC)
2018-02-21 18:50:49	alanz	ok
2018-02-21 18:51:25	alanz	cabal-helper the library is linked into hie, and it uses some stuff from its data directory to install an exe into ~/.cache/cabal-helper
2018-02-21 18:51:45	elvishjerricco	nix-building cabal-helper gives me a `cabal-helper-wrapper` under `libexec`.
2018-02-21 18:51:45	alanz	the exe is named according to the ghc/cabal pair it was compiled with
2018-02-21 18:52:26	elvishjerricco	Oh so the `cabal-helper` executable is part of HIE, not the `cabal-helper` library?
2018-02-21 18:52:31	alanz	dxld, does cabal-helper worj with nix?
2018-02-21 18:52:47	alanz	hie has cabal-helper as a library.
2018-02-21 18:52:57	alanz	so it must be installed as a package.
2018-02-21 18:53:18	domenkozar	but then it also needs the executable cabal-helper?
2018-02-21 18:53:45	alanz	But when ghc-mod needs to use it, it will compile an exe that matches the project environment, which is then used to provide ghc build options to ghc-mod
2018-02-21 18:53:47	domenkozar	er, that would be cabal-helper-wrapper
2018-02-21 18:54:14	alanz	I guess. Its one of those intricate things, I don't have all the parts clear in my head, tbh
2018-02-21 18:54:18	elvishjerricco	Wait that's kind of confusing. ghc-mod builds a new executable at runtime?
2018-02-21 18:55:09	alanz	But I can confirm that I have a cabal-helper-wrapper installed in my stack work dir
2018-02-21 18:55:17	alanz	cabal-helper does
2018-02-21 18:55:21	domenkozar	elvishjerricco: is this on ghc 8.2.x?
2018-02-21 18:55:34	elvishjerricco	Yea
2018-02-21 18:55:45	domenkozar	could be related: https://github.com/DanielG/ghc-mod/issues/900#issuecomment-366408597
2018-02-21 18:55:56	alanz	Its the historical way it makes sure that it gets meaningful cabal info out of a project, as there may be multiple versions of the lib floating around
2018-02-21 18:56:38	alanz	domenkozar, I think that has been fixed, it is now installed in a different dir. Not sure what though. 
2018-02-21 18:57:26	elvishjerricco	I think this is all a step or two ahead of where I am though... :P I don't think I've even gotten vscode trying to start hie yet
2018-02-21 18:58:42	alanz	ok, your best bet is to put some logging into those bash scripts, and see what happens
2018-02-21 19:00:25	elvishjerricco	I just don't understand how `command 'hie.commands.showType' not found` is possible
2018-02-21 19:01:07	alanz	are you running with the current version of the plugin?
2018-02-21 19:01:31	alanz	if you do a ps, do you see a hie exe running at all?
2018-02-21 19:02:04	elvishjerricco	There is no hie, and I've gotten the plugin from `master`
2018-02-21 19:02:52	alanz	and how did you install the plugin? because it is on the vscode marketplace too
2018-02-21 19:03:52	alanz	But what happens under nix is a mystery to me.
2018-02-21 19:03:54	elvishjerricco	Oh it is? That might be easier
2018-02-21 19:04:09	alanz	I keep intending to install nix, on an old laptop. Time .
2018-02-21 19:05:57	elvishjerricco	Urgh. You have to install vscode plugins the nix way on nixos -_-
2018-02-21 19:06:25	alanz	My mental model says nixos is a server o/s
2018-02-21 19:07:20	elvishjerricco	It's probably better suited for that, yea :P But I like having my system reproducible. Means I just have to do a nix build to setup a new machine
2018-02-21 19:07:30	domenkozar	lots of people use it for desktop :)
2018-02-21 19:08:19	elvishjerricco	Oh hey installing it from the marketplace using the nix means of doing so seems to have done more things!
2018-02-21 19:09:57	elvishjerricco	I'm getting hlint suggestions now
2018-02-21 19:10:06	elvishjerricco	And I got a message about no hoogle db
2018-02-21 19:10:51	domenkozar	yeah you'll get type hints, but no docs
2018-02-21 19:11:28	elvishjerricco	That's fine for now
2018-02-21 19:11:38	elvishjerricco	Nothing else seems to work though :/
2018-02-21 19:12:46	elvishjerricco	It hangs with no output when I ask for type info
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2018-02-21 19:15:52	elvishjerricco	Can't even use "format document"
2018-02-21 19:22:54	elvishjerricco	Scratch that. Works perfectly!
2018-02-21 19:23:06	elvishjerricco	But not if I'm using `cabal.project`/`cabal new-build`
2018-02-21 19:23:20	elvishjerricco	I guess there's no support for that currently?
2018-02-21 19:26:17	ktonga	i'm also interested in the response to that :)
2018-02-21 19:26:35	elvishjerricco	alanz: ^
2018-02-21 19:27:07	alanz	new-build is not currently supported
2018-02-21 19:27:18	alanz	PRs welcome on cabal-helper/ghc-mod
2018-02-21 19:27:24	ktonga	how does hie pick the build tool to use? i guess it checks for present files, like stack.yml
2018-02-21 19:27:40	elvishjerricco	alanz: I'd be interested in giving it a shot if you don't think it'd be too insanely difficult
2018-02-21 19:27:42	alanz	yes, it looks for a dist dir, then for a stack file
2018-02-21 19:27:52	ktonga	if the project has stack files but i want to force the use of cabal... can I?
2018-02-21 19:28:27	alanz	elvishjerricco, I do not know at all, tbh. Chat to dxld on #ghc-mod, he may have had some dicussions with the cabal guys about the best way to do it
2018-02-21 19:28:37	alanz	But his time is pretty limited at the moment
2018-02-21 19:28:53	alanz	ktonga, yes, just cabal configure it
2018-02-21 19:28:58	alanz	I do that all the time
2018-02-21 19:29:42	alanz	And at some future date we should try to seamlessly support nix too. No idea what those implications are though
2018-02-21 19:29:54	ktonga	ok, i was using new build but i guess i'll have to switch to old one since new is not supported yet 
2018-02-21 19:29:54	elvishjerricco	alanz: Is dxld DanielG?
2018-02-21 19:30:00	alanz	yes
2018-02-21 19:31:20	elvishjerricco	alanz: FWIW, getting this working in Nix didn't take much effort. Basically I just built domenkozar's hie-nix thing (which seems to just be a `stack2nix` of HIE), and added the result to the nix-shell for my project. The only unsavory part was having to launch `code` from within `nix-shell`
2018-02-21 19:31:47	elvishjerricco	But I think that will be solved by custom wrapper scripts per-project, as per https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/pull/49
2018-02-21 19:32:03	alanz	ok, well it good to know we are getting somewhere. I know it was quite an effort to achieve that
2018-02-21 19:32:23	alanz	yes, I saw that, have not had a chance to digest it yet
2018-02-21 19:32:32	alanz	will take a look a bit later
2018-02-21 19:32:49	elvishjerricco	Yea I guess the other unsavory part was getting the plugin installed on NixOS, but that's a whole other issue :P
2018-02-21 19:33:16	elvishjerricco	Most people won't use NixOS and will just get it from the marketplace like normal
2018-02-21 19:33:34	elvishjerricco	That's in essence what worked for me; just had to do the crazy nix expression version of that
2018-02-21 19:35:00	alanz	ok. Can you maybe document that on the README? 
2018-02-21 19:35:21	domenkozar	yes, as I have hoped :)
2018-02-21 19:35:26	alanz	even if hust the basics
2018-02-21 19:35:30	domenkozar	hurray
2018-02-21 19:36:00	domenkozar	btw what does this mean:
2018-02-21 19:36:04	domenkozar	<--2--{"error":{"code":-32603,"message":"IdeError {ideCode = PluginError, ideMessage = \"getSymbolAtPoint: \\\"module not loaded\\\"\", ideInfo = Null}"},"jsonrpc":"2.0","id":2}
2018-02-21 19:36:58	alanz	domenkozar, that is something that needs attention. 
2018-02-21 19:37:04	alanz	There is an issue for it,
2018-02-21 19:37:32	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/460
2018-02-21 19:37:53	alanz	and we need to manage the module life cycle properly, with decent feedback
2018-02-21 19:38:14	alanz	It will probably be the next thing I tackle, as it is annoying
2018-02-21 19:38:24	alanz	unless someone else jumps in first
2018-02-21 19:38:53	domenkozar	that suggests that compilation should fail
2018-02-21 19:38:58	domenkozar	but it does compile
2018-02-21 19:39:01	domenkozar	via stack
2018-02-21 19:39:13	alanz	well, *while* it is compiling you get that too
2018-02-21 19:39:27	alanz	So it is not clear when to just wait, and when to look for issues
2018-02-21 19:39:48	alanz	and if we get that the errors are not always provided either
2018-02-21 19:40:51	alanz	and of course, using stack under nix, you need to make sure that the assumptions are all valid, wrt paths and the like
2018-02-21 19:41:52	domenkozar	I see. On this particular project I never managed to get hie really working
2018-02-21 19:42:04	domenkozar	even after a while there's no hints, etc
2018-02-21 19:42:38	domenkozar	another bit I see:
2018-02-21 19:42:41	domenkozar	2018-02-21 14:10:58.657437361 [ThreadId 5] - <--2--{"jsonrpc":"2.0","method":"window/logMessage","params":{"type":1,"message":"haskell-lsp:parse error. Object (fromList [(\"jsonrpc\",String \"2.0\"),(\"method\",String \"initialized\")]) \"When parsing the record NotificationMessage of type Language.Haskell.LSP.TH.DataTypesJSON.NotificationMessage the key params was not present.\" `stack update`
2018-02-21 19:42:42	domenkozar	and install new haskell-lsp. Or check information on https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"}}
2018-02-21 19:43:10	alanz	ok, that is emitted by the wrapper
2018-02-21 19:44:06	alanz	no, via haskell-lsp
2018-02-21 19:44:19	alanz	I suspect you have an out of date one?
2018-02-21 19:45:37	alanz	Actually, I am not sure
2018-02-21 19:45:47	alanz	domenkozar, can you paste that log file as a gist?
2018-02-21 19:45:50	domenkozar	https://pastebin.com/raw/x7ZzvwDG
2018-02-21 19:45:58	alanz	you're fast :)
2018-02-21 19:46:35	domenkozar	pure luck :)
2018-02-21 19:47:08	domenkozar	so one thing we noticed is that stderr doesn't get into this file right?
2018-02-21 19:47:42	alanz	yes
2018-02-21 19:48:07	alanz	it goes to an output window in vscode, and a separate buffer in emacs
2018-02-21 19:49:24	alanz	I wonder if stack is emitting something, which is polluting the channel
2018-02-21 19:50:07	alanz	You can try enabling this line: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/hie-vscode.sh#L21
2018-02-21 19:50:30	alanz	which gives you a tee of stdout
2018-02-21 19:50:52	alanz	Because the contents of that message seems to be stack saying you need to do stack update
2018-02-21 19:52:02	domenkozar	yeah this is for atom, but there's no support for capturing stderr
2018-02-21 19:52:58	domenkozar	Tehnix3: opened https://github.com/Tehnix/ide-haskell-hie/issues/13 :)
2018-02-21 19:53:13	domenkozar	alanz: but there's nothing interesting in the log right?
2018-02-21 20:00:22	domenkozar	ah
2018-02-21 20:00:27	domenkozar	I had old hie around.
2018-02-21 20:00:34	domenkozar	it was GHC version mismatch
2018-02-21 20:00:37	domenkozar	now it works :)
2018-02-21 20:02:22	domenkozar	thanks alanz for all the support :)
2018-02-21 20:14:25	alanz	good to hear it is working
2018-02-21 20:14:42	alanz	And reporting on ghc version mismatch is another one of those things that will help a lot
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2018-02-21 22:43:51	domenkozar	elvishjerricco: so you're saying hie-nix works?
2018-02-21 22:44:21	domenkozar	were you inspired by the comment on https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/357#issuecomment-366987504
2018-02-21 23:09:48	elvishjerricco	It worked for 8.2. 8.0 seems to build but not work for some reason.
2018-02-21 23:09:52	elvishjerricco	domenkozar: ^
2018-02-21 23:10:17	elvishjerricco	That comment is just a coincidence. Getting HIE working for reflex has been on my todo list for a while :)
2018-02-21 23:10:34	domenkozar	great timing then :)
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2018-02-22 02:25:15	ndmitchell	Hello! I'm trying to get HIE working, and not having much luck
2018-02-22 02:25:41	ndmitchell	As an example, checkout hlint, open file called Grep.hs, click "Goto definition"
2018-02-22 02:25:47	ndmitchell	I see lots of:
2018-02-22 02:25:49	ndmitchell	[Error - 20:51:42] Request textDocument/hover failed.   Message: IdeError {ideCode = PluginError, ideMessage = "getSymbolAtPoint: \"module not loaded\"", ideInfo = Null}   Code: -32603 
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2018-02-22 02:31:19	alanz	ndmitchell, the GHC used in the project needs to match the one that hie was compiled with
2018-02-22 02:31:33	alanz	what client/ide/editor are you using?
2018-02-22 02:31:54	cocreature	also this error message appears while hie is loading the module which can take a while for larger projects
2018-02-22 02:32:23	ndmitchell	VS Code, can someone give me a set of steps which should do something?
2018-02-22 02:32:26	alanz	cocreature, I know. There is an issue for that, which I am hoping to get to this weekend
2018-02-22 02:32:45	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/460
2018-02-22 02:32:57	ndmitchell	what does it mean for the "GHC used in the project"? My code isn't GHC specific, I didn't "select" a GHC for it at any point
2018-02-22 02:33:13	cocreature	how are you building your project?
2018-02-22 02:33:39	ndmitchell	how do you want me to build my project? typically I don't, I just load them in ghci
2018-02-22 02:33:52	ndmitchell	but they have .cabal files, and I have a CI job that builds them via stack
2018-02-22 02:34:01	alanz	This is another important usability thing. https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/459
2018-02-22 02:34:18	alanz	ndmitchell, what is your default ghc then?
2018-02-22 02:34:35	ndmitchell	"ghc --version" gives 8.2.1
2018-02-22 02:34:38	alanz	and did you cabal configure the project first
2018-02-22 02:35:00	ndmitchell	at some point in the distant past, doing it again now
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2018-02-22 02:35:15	ndmitchell	yep, cabal configured it
2018-02-22 02:35:25	alanz	ok, and how did you install hie? Your best bet is to use the makefile in master, which gives version-specific exes, and then enable the wrapper in vscode
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2018-02-22 02:36:03	alanz	These fiddly details need to be made seamless. The difference between a proof of concept and a bullet-proof product
2018-02-22 02:36:56	alanz	ndmitchell, the wrapper should detect that you are using GHC 8.2.1, then use hie-8.2.1 as the server, installed from the makefile
2018-02-22 02:37:37	ndmitchell	i can't spot anything happening...
2018-02-22 02:37:40	alanz	This wrapper: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/hie-wrapper.sh
2018-02-22 02:37:46	ndmitchell	I am on Windows
2018-02-22 02:38:28	alanz	enabled via this setting: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/package.json#L79
2018-02-22 02:38:38	alanz	oops. 
2018-02-22 02:39:03	alanz	Windows has some issues at the moment, I gather
2018-02-22 02:39:47	alanz	And I don't actually know the state of support for it at present. I have no way of testing anything, as I do not have anything windows accessible to me
2018-02-22 02:39:59	 *	alanz and am happy to keep it that way
2018-02-22 02:41:09	alanz	ndmitchell, your simplest option would be to insall hie using stack-8.2.1.yaml in the master repo
2018-02-22 02:41:26	alanz	then the normal hie.bat will start it
2018-02-22 02:41:44	ndmitchell	given i just did stack install, what ghc does that imply?
2018-02-22 02:41:52	alanz	8.2.2
2018-02-22 02:42:35	ndmitchell	let me just switch hlint to 8.2.2
2018-02-22 02:42:49	alanz	that should work too
2018-02-22 02:42:57	ndmitchell	i have a feeling thats quicker than compiling HIE again
2018-02-22 02:43:31	alanz	btw, I am not sure if you have seen this: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/476
2018-02-22 02:43:56	alanz	I would expect hlint, when called via the API, to respect those arguments
2018-02-22 02:45:02	alanz	I do know it picks up the project-specific hlint.yaml, I use that all the time, with hie
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2018-02-22 02:55:12	alanz	ndmitchell, please let me know how it goes, I am off to bed soon
2018-02-22 02:55:34	alanz	but have a bounce on this channel, so will see stuff in the morning
2018-02-22 02:56:35	ndmitchell	I saw 476 when browsing, but haven't digesting, can read more tomorrow if you want
2018-02-22 02:57:38	alanz	no great rush, I will take a look at it myself some time
2018-02-22 02:58:40	alanz	its bound to be some simple plumbing somewhere
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2018-02-22 03:39:48	ndmitchell	got it working now, it's actually pretty slick...
2018-02-22 03:39:57	ndmitchell	more impressed than i thought it would be
2018-02-22 03:40:05	ndmitchell	but a setup process that was not fun or easy
2018-02-22 03:40:24	ndmitchell	will be giving it a go over the next week and see if I stick with it
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2018-02-22 13:58:03	ndmitchell	alanz: Let me know when you are around - I have a weird issue where making an error causes the red squiggly, then I wait 2 seconds and it goes away
2018-02-22 13:59:42	alanz	ndmitchell, I'm here now. Sounds odd
2018-02-22 14:00:01	alanz	Working on hlint?
2018-02-22 14:00:55	ndmitchell	yep
2018-02-22 14:01:11	ndmitchell	GHC 8.2.2, VS Code
2018-02-22 14:01:27	alanz	ok, master?
2018-02-22 14:01:39	ndmitchell	I make an edit that is obviously erroneous (remove a closing bracket, removing a quote)
2018-02-22 14:01:44	alanz	Can you paste the log for your session?
2018-02-22 14:01:50	alanz	ok
2018-02-22 14:01:54	ndmitchell	I get 2 errors (one hlint, one ghcmod), that stay for about 2 seconds then disappear
2018-02-22 14:02:11	alanz	that sounds wrong
2018-02-22 14:02:19	ndmitchell	If I fix the  issue the ghcmod issue that was real but is no longer comes back 1 second later, then goes away 2 seconds after that
2018-02-22 14:02:35	ndmitchell	Output, Language Server Haskell? Or are there other logs?
2018-02-22 14:03:25	alanz	You can set the logging on in settings, then it puts a log in $TEMP/hie.log
2018-02-22 14:03:37	alanz	which includes all the messages on the wire, and some internal hie server stuff
2018-02-22 14:04:15	alanz	languageServerHaskell.trace.server
2018-02-22 14:04:26	ndmitchell	"[Error - 08:34:11] haskell-lsp:Got setTraceNotification ignoring"
2018-02-22 14:05:55	alanz	that is normal on startup, and actually relates to something else, that vscode does all by itself
2018-02-22 14:06:10	alanz	We should probably change that setting to be called logging
2018-02-22 14:06:15	ndmitchell	fair enough, i restarted vs code, and did the errorneous behaviour
2018-02-22 14:06:30	ndmitchell	where is the log? it isn't at %TEMP%/hie.log
2018-02-22 14:06:40	alanz	ok, do you have a log called hie.log
2018-02-22 14:07:04	alanz	let me check the startup on windows, its a foreign environment for me
2018-02-22 14:07:06	ndmitchell	no
2018-02-22 14:07:30	alanz	are you building with stack or cabal?
2018-02-22 14:08:38	ndmitchell	i build hie with stack, i'm building hlint with cabal
2018-02-22 14:09:45	alanz	ok
2018-02-22 14:09:48	alanz	  const tempDir = ( process.platform === 'win32' ) ? '%TEMP%' : '/tmp';
2018-02-22 14:09:49	alanz	  const serverOptions: ServerOptions = {
2018-02-22 14:09:49	alanz	    // run : { module: serverModule, transport: TransportKind.ipc },
2018-02-22 14:09:49	alanz	    // debug: { module: serverModule, transport: TransportKind.ipc, options: debugOptions }
2018-02-22 14:09:50	alanz	    run : { command: serverPath },
2018-02-22 14:09:52	alanz	    debug: { command: serverPath, args: ['-d', '-l', path.join(tempDir, 'hie.log')] },
2018-02-22 14:09:54	alanz	  };
2018-02-22 14:10:41	alanz	should be calling hie-vscode.bat with "-d -l %TEMP%/hie.log"
2018-02-22 14:11:12	alanz	in debug. I wonder how that is set
2018-02-22 14:12:41	alanz	Setting trace.server to messages should just do it.
2018-02-22 14:13:05	alanz	Otherwise find hie-vscode.bat on your filesystem and add those params directly
2018-02-22 14:13:35	ndmitchell	no log anywhere
2018-02-22 14:14:16	ndmitchell	where might hie-vscode.bat have ended up?
2018-02-22 14:14:59	alanz	wherever the vscode extensions get installed
2018-02-22 14:15:22	alanz	On my machine it is : /home/alanz/.vscode/extensions/alanz.vscode-hie-server-0.0.8/hie-vscode.bat
2018-02-22 14:18:53	ndmitchell	found it, how do I hack it?
2018-02-22 14:19:23	ndmitchell	hie --lsp %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9
2018-02-22 14:19:24	ndmitchell	TO
2018-02-22 14:19:40	ndmitchell	hie --lsp  -d -l %TEMP%\hie.log ?
2018-02-22 14:19:49	alanz	hie --lsp -d -l %TEMP%/hie.log %1 %2 ..
2018-02-22 14:19:55	alanz	yes.
2018-02-22 14:20:18	alanz	I wonder if the path separator is breaking it in the plugin
2018-02-22 14:20:22	alanz	extension, I mean
2018-02-22 14:20:39	alanz	you can choose any dir/file for the log
2018-02-22 14:21:14	alanz	no, we are using dir.join
2018-02-22 14:21:19	alanz	path.join
2018-02-22 14:24:02	ndmitchell	i now have logs
2018-02-22 14:25:32	ndmitchell	just minimising the test case
2018-02-22 14:28:58	ndmitchell	where/how do you want the logs?
2018-02-22 14:32:20	alanz	can you put them in lpaste or some such?
2018-02-22 14:42:41	alanz	ndmitchell, ^^
2018-02-22 14:50:15	ndmitchell	http://lpaste.net/8840961184044679168 - bug 1
2018-02-22 14:50:41	ndmitchell	http://lpaste.net/362780 - bug 2
2018-02-22 14:50:42	alanz	looking ...
2018-02-22 14:51:00	ndmitchell	bug 1 definitely reproduced it, bug2 seemed to fail to get the ghc-mod error as well, so I'd focus on bug1
2018-02-22 14:51:46	alanz	ok, and what happened precisely? loads, all fine, edit, squiggle, then squiggle goes away?
2018-02-22 14:52:29	ndmitchell	yes
2018-02-22 14:53:06	ndmitchell	squiggle appears after 1 second with both hlint and ghc-mod listed as 2 problems, 2 seconds later they both go away
2018-02-22 14:53:18	ndmitchell	with bug 2 only the hlint squiggle appeared, and 2 seconds later it also went away
2018-02-22 14:53:38	ndmitchell	bug 2 has a much smaller file "module HLint.All() where" and I deleted the ")"
2018-02-22 14:55:41	alanz	for bug 1, this is the problem: http://lpaste.net/8840961184044679168#line85
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2018-02-22 14:56:04	alanz	You can see the diagnostics sent just before, which are correct, then the second set comes through
2018-02-22 14:56:32	alanz	and I think it is related to not being able to get the TypeCheckedModule, a few lines before
2018-02-22 14:57:10	alanz	And something silly is happening with the caching. i.e., we assume that the diagnostics are not valid if compile fails, which is obviously wrong.
2018-02-22 15:00:40	ndmitchell	ok, that all sounds plausible
2018-02-22 15:01:18	wz1000	What is the problem here? I assume that the edit would make the file fail to compile at some point
2018-02-22 15:02:17	wz1000	which would give you an error that goes away when the file compiles again
2018-02-22 15:02:24	alanz	wz1000, the ghc diagnostics are reported initially, then an update comes through with the diagnostics cleared out
2018-02-22 15:02:57	wz1000	oh, they go away before the file compiles?
2018-02-22 15:03:16	alanz	so the file has no diagnostics, a trailing ']' is removed, the hlint warnings comne through, the ghc errors come through, then a few secs later all diagnostics are set to empty
2018-02-22 15:03:41	alanz	hlint: http://lpaste.net/8840961184044679168#line75
2018-02-22 15:03:47	elvishjerricco	domenkozar: Have you ever gotten HIE to work with `ghcWithPackages`? If GHC comes with anything but the standard builtin package DB, HIE doesn't seem to recognize it.
2018-02-22 15:03:56	alanz	ghc errors: http://lpaste.net/8840961184044679168#line84
2018-02-22 15:04:04	alanz	then gone in http://lpaste.net/8840961184044679168#line85
2018-02-22 15:04:37	alanz	And the odd thing is I just tried it locally (with current master) and that does not happen
2018-02-22 15:04:59	alanz	will paste my log shortly, need to kill some other live sessions first though
2018-02-22 15:12:56	alanz	And it seems the hie-wrapper does not manage logging properly.
2018-02-22 15:15:32	wz1000	alanz: btw, I've pushed fixes to my PR. sorry, I had midsems this week so wasn't available.
2018-02-22 15:16:13	alanz	wz1000, I know you are studying, so was not overly concerned, But you will have to merge dpren's stuff now
2018-02-22 15:16:47	wz1000	i think it should merge automatically
2018-02-22 15:17:15	wz1000	let me try
2018-02-22 15:19:32	alanz	ndmitchell, are you running current hie master
2018-02-22 15:19:50	alanz	wait, the log tells me
2018-02-22 15:20:45	alanz	yep. a1402
2018-02-22 15:22:33	alanz	FWIW, this is what I get, where it all behaves as expected: http://lpaste.net/6598914382095187968
2018-02-22 15:22:56	alanz	I am one commit further along, but it is just adding a tab to the makefile, so should not affect anything
2018-02-22 15:24:23	alanz	And we only get one set of diagnostics published from ghc.
2018-02-22 15:25:37	alanz	ndmitchell, what version of vscode are you running?
2018-02-22 15:29:35	ndmitchell	alanz: 1.20.1
2018-02-22 15:30:15	alanz	ok, and that is the current one, which i am using too
2018-02-22 15:30:26	alanz	But getting completely different behavious
2018-02-22 15:31:02	alanz	wz1000, do you have any ideas?
2018-02-22 15:31:42	alanz	I love having this line in the log: http://lpaste.net/6598914382095187968#line3
2018-02-22 15:32:16	domenkozar	elvishjerricco: hmm, never tried it :)
2018-02-22 15:32:52	elvishjerricco	Darn... Anyone have any idea why HIE wouldn't respect GHC's global package DB?
2018-02-22 15:33:37	elvishjerricco	I guess Nix is probably setting the global package DB in a pretty weird way. The GHC API probably wouldn't respect it
2018-02-22 15:33:51	alanz	wz1000, could the missing hoogle db be the problem: http://lpaste.net/8840961184044679168#line25
2018-02-22 15:33:51	wz1000	elvishjerricco: hie uses ghc-mod to manage that stuff
2018-02-22 15:34:05	wz1000	alanz: I don't think so
2018-02-22 15:35:16	alanz	ndmitchell, its a long shot, but maybe make sure that you have done https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#hoogle-docs-on-hover
2018-02-22 15:35:46	elvishjerricco	wz1000: How does ghc-mod figure out the package db? I would have thought it would ask `cabal`, but cabal *is* respecting Nix's global package DB.
2018-02-22 15:36:31	alanz	elvishjerricco, ghc-mod uses cabal-helper, which interacts with cabal the lib to get that stuff
2018-02-22 15:36:39	alanz	so it should work.
2018-02-22 15:36:54	alanz	BUT, it checks for a dist dir, or a stack.yanl
2018-02-22 15:37:21	alanz	if it finds neither, it falls back to using whatever. I think, will have to check, or ask dxld
2018-02-22 15:37:48	wz1000	elvishjerricco: if you don't have stack.yaml or cabal-sandbox files, it uses cabal
2018-02-22 15:37:48	elvishjerricco	Well I do have a dist dir
2018-02-22 15:37:58	wz1000	then it should be building with cabaal
2018-02-22 15:38:00	elvishjerricco	but there is no cabal sandbox
2018-02-22 15:38:26	elvishjerricco	I can't seem to get debug output in the vscode plugin :/
2018-02-22 15:40:01	alanz	wz1000, another possibility is that we are getting 2 didChange events: http://lpaste.net/8840961184044679168#line52 and 2 lines later
2018-02-22 15:40:08	alanz	the first one is an empty change
2018-02-22 15:40:47	alanz	So maybe we are messing up order or some such, and giving the result of the second change, then of the first (where the file has not actually changed yet)
2018-02-22 15:44:24	elvishjerricco	How are you supposed to get debug output in vscode? Even if I replace `hie` with a script that just outputs on stderr, I don't get anything
2018-02-22 15:45:17	wz1000	elvishjerricco: In the Output window there should be a dropdown menu
2018-02-22 15:45:40	wz1000	with different stuff like Tasks, Extensions, Git, Language Server Haskell
2018-02-22 15:45:43	elvishjerricco	Ah there it is
2018-02-22 15:45:50	elvishjerricco	Little hard to notice :P
2018-02-22 15:48:27	wz1000	vscode used to make it pop into view whenever hie outputted something
2018-02-22 15:48:36	wz1000	though I guess that was too annoying
2018-02-22 15:55:26	elvishjerricco	Yea looks like ghc-mod is intentionally trying to set the package db, overriding the default one that Nix gives you. This is usually good since the default one is just core packages. But with Nix we pack the entire dependency graph in there. I think we need a way to explicitly tell the build tool to use Nix's package DB, so that ghc-mod can know about it
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2018-02-22 16:03:20	alanz	elvishjerricco, I just noticed that it is broken
2018-02-22 16:03:43	elvishjerricco	That what is broken?
2018-02-22 16:04:00	alanz	So best bet to get logging is to directly edit the hie-vscode.sh or hiewrapper.sh files
2018-02-22 16:04:34	elvishjerricco	Ah. Yea I've replaced the `hie` executable with one that adds `--vomit` :P
2018-02-22 16:05:09	alanz	yes. It is supposed to do that via the config, but it seems not to be working as I expect it to.
2018-02-22 16:05:28	alanz	Probably don't understand enough about vscode though
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2018-02-22 16:28:23	elvishjerricco	Turns out you just have to export some environment variables with the Nix stuff. Odd...
2018-02-22 16:50:31	elvishjerricco	Is there a way to force HIE to restart?
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2018-02-22 17:03:36	elvishjerricco	Reloading the window works ok :P
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2018-02-22 17:04:18	alanz	elvishjerricco, beware, it is at a project level, so if you have more than one file in the project open, that may not work
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2018-02-22 17:05:27	elvishjerricco	alanz: Hm... Reason I ask is that in a project with multiple packages (using a stack.yaml), HIE doesn't seem to know about cross-package changes, so you have to restart it.
2018-02-22 17:07:06	alanz	ok, that comes down to stack/ghc-mod, effectively. If you update the stack.yaml to refer to the directories where the related project live, it should work better. Its what we do for hie
2018-02-22 17:09:38	elvishjerricco	What do you mean? I do have `packages = ...` set in stack.yaml, with an entry for each local package.
2018-02-22 17:09:59	elvishjerricco	s/=/:/
2018-02-22 17:10:09	alanz	yes
2018-02-22 17:10:35	alanz	e.g. https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/stack.yaml#L5
2018-02-22 17:11:05	elvishjerricco	Right. I already have that. Still, ghc-mod isn't picking up on changes across the package boundary
2018-02-22 17:11:42	alanz	I know for cabal it depends on how you set up the src directories and deps
2018-02-22 17:12:19	alanz	e.g. I generally get my tests to directly use the src dir of the lib, else it does not pick up changes. It *does* mean the lib gets compiled twice though
2018-02-22 17:12:44	alanz	Except, ghc-mod is supposed to pass those through.
2018-02-22 17:12:58	alanz	Lots of quirky edge cases to sort out
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2018-02-22 19:37:50	elvishjerricco	Experimenting with having HIE installed globally instead of in the project nix-shell. I've got hie-8.2 on my path (as per domenkozar's hie-nix), and vscode is configured with `"useHieWrapper": true`, but it still says `hie executable missing`
2018-02-22 19:38:18	mpickering	Is it looking for "hie" rather than "hie-8.2"?
2018-02-22 19:51:39	elvishjerricco	mpickering: Probably. But I thought the point of useHieWrapper was to make it look for hie-8.2
2018-02-22 19:55:48	cocreature	elvishjerricco: there is a bug in the vscode integration where it checks if hie is present but then launches hie-8.2 if you enable the wrapper.
2018-02-22 19:55:56	cocreature	elvishjerricco: iirc there is some kind of “force start” button
2018-02-22 20:19:42	alanz	PRs are welcomed for the alleviation of all these niggles :)
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2018-02-23 00:22:23	cocreature	ouch, hie is at 8.1gb of res memory
2018-02-23 00:37:46	alanz	cocreature, it is fundamentally the memory leak in ghci
2018-02-23 00:38:17	alanz	Its why I did https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-mode/pull/290
2018-02-23 00:38:34	cocreature	alanz: mpickering did some work on that recently iirc. not sure if that is specific to ghci or if we will profit from that in hie as well
2018-02-23 00:39:09	alanz	We are affected by GHC API loadin leaks, I think
2018-02-23 00:39:47	alanz	Didn't that fix deal with the 'it' variable in the ghci repl? In which case it won't help
2018-02-23 00:39:56	cocreature	yeah I think so :/
2018-02-23 00:40:41	alanz	FYI, I brought in ekg, you can start hie with --ekg to see the graphs.
2018-02-23 00:41:14	alanz	At some point I want to extend it with custom counters, to get a handle on what is going on with memory
2018-02-23 01:11:37	mpickering	If there is a good reproduction I can look at other space leak issues
2018-02-23 01:11:46	mpickering	the problem is that there is a lot of code on the code path
2018-02-23 01:11:59	mpickering	so it's very hard seeing where references are held onto.. the problems with laziness
2018-02-23 01:14:43	alanz	mpickering, I know, it shows up over time, and almost impossible to identify a specific thing
2018-02-23 01:15:05	alanz	hence my thinking around eks
2018-02-23 01:15:08	alanz	ekg
2018-02-23 01:15:25	alanz	Which I have never used in anger, so maybe it is not appropriate
2018-02-23 01:15:52	mpickering	what is it doing?
2018-02-23 01:15:57	mpickering	continually reloading a module?
2018-02-23 01:16:52	alanz	yes, every time you edit/save, it does a reload, to get symbols, diagnostics, etc
2018-02-23 01:18:30	mpickering	Is there a reproduction case for this already?
2018-02-23 01:20:28	mpickering	Is it related to this ticket? https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/13110
2018-02-23 01:25:28	alanz	mpickering, all we know is that memory usage rises over time in hie
2018-02-23 01:25:59	alanz	It has not been investigated, we know there are issues in GHC. But it could equally be something stupid in hie itself. Or both
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2018-02-23 02:57:54	elvishjerricco	alanz: mpickering: If I'm understanding the conversation correctly, the leak is definitely present in other tools than HIE, so I think it's definitely at the GHC(i) level. `ghcid`, for instance, consumes more and more memory the longer I leave it open.
2018-02-23 02:58:20	alanz	ok, thats a good data point. 
2018-02-23 02:58:33	elvishjerricco	Rather, the more I let it reload. Idling has no effect, obviously.
2018-02-23 02:58:48	alanz	But we also need to check that hie is not doing something bad as well
2018-02-23 03:01:37	elvishjerricco	A good repro case would be to spam `:r` in ghci :P IIRC, that will trigger the leak as well
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2018-02-23 03:24:26	mpickering	I fixed one leak that Neil reported
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2018-02-23 04:12:49	ndmitchell	Fixing a second leak is much easier with the first one fixed - once we have a ghci with it, I'll find the next leak
2018-02-23 04:13:09	ndmitchell	ghcid already passes -fno-it in anticipation
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2018-02-23 04:14:09	mpickering	Thanks Neil, hope it helps somewhat
2018-02-23 04:15:05	ndmitchell	Every little helps - so much appreciated - although I have a suspicion there is a big leak that happens sometimes, and a small leak that happens all the time, and thus I got the small and regular leak first
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2018-02-23 06:44:24	dpren	alanz: I'm considering adding completion support for sub-expressions. I'm hoping you could maybe point me in the right direction to similar examples/tools that do, or could help with the following: Given a loc, find all parent scopes in the AST and the vars they contain.
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2018-02-23 11:35:09	alanz	dpren, I don't know of anything off the bat.  In HaRe I do something somewhat related by using a zipper (from http://hackage.haskell.org/package/syz-0.2.0.0/docs/Data-Generics-Zipper.html), and then first go down in it to the location of interest, then move upwards.
2018-02-23 11:35:38	alanz	That approach would let you gather info at each step. Using this on the AST
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2018-02-23 13:25:57	wz1000	alanz: I increased the timeouts but the build is still failing
2018-02-23 13:26:39	alanz	wz1000, I saw that. But if you look at it, it is not failing for the timeout, but the hoogle tests that fail
2018-02-23 13:27:23	alanz	Not sure if they are timing out? but there are several. And building the hoogle db seems to take forever. I wonder if we can use a minimal one, somehow. For the tests only
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2018-02-23 13:28:29	wz1000	I've tested the PR with all 3 ghcs on my machine, and also checked with vscode.
2018-02-23 13:28:53	alanz	This is from the circleci log: http://lpaste.net/2936408276293648384
2018-02-23 13:29:13	alanz	so the creation of the hoogle db is the problem
2018-02-23 13:29:52	wz1000	I think that happened because the ghc-8.2.1 command timed out
2018-02-23 13:30:00	wz1000	so circleci killed the process
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2018-02-23 13:31:10	alanz	wz1000, yes, I see. 
2018-02-23 13:31:23	alanz	Which comes back to my point, that hoogle db is just too damn big
2018-02-23 13:31:29	alanz	Can we limit it somehow?
2018-02-23 13:31:46	alanz	It is trying to index 2674 packages
2018-02-23 13:32:28	wz1000	I think `hoogle generate base` works
2018-02-23 13:33:09	alanz	instead of whatever is being done there at the moment?
2018-02-23 13:33:13	wz1000	yes
2018-02-23 13:33:26	alanz	sound good, can you try it?
2018-02-23 13:33:35	alanz	I'm also keen to get this thing langed
2018-02-23 13:33:37	alanz	landed
2018-02-23 13:33:40	wz1000	I won't have time today
2018-02-23 13:34:01	alanz	ok, maybe I can get to it, will see how my day goes
2018-02-23 13:41:20	alanz	wz1000, see https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/318
2018-02-23 13:41:38	alanz	Running a build with hoogle generate base, without cache
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2018-02-23 14:17:17	alanz	wz1000, on circle, took 19 seconds to hoogle generate base
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2018-02-23 17:47:31	alanz	so, I know have an old (crappy) laptop with nix installed in it. Trying to build hie-nix
2018-02-23 17:48:09	alanz	and it is timing out waiting for a binary cache
2018-02-23 17:48:13	alanz	whatever that means
2018-02-23 17:48:34	alanz	and we're off
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2018-02-23 22:14:26	mpickering	good luck
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2018-02-23 23:18:59	alanz	and my hie-nix build finally finished, successfully. Building on one core only, and interrupted for a few hours too
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2018-02-23 23:56:16	elvishjerricco	alanz: You can use -j n to let Nix spawn up to n derivations in parallel, and --cores n to let each derivation use n threads.
2018-02-23 23:57:12	alanz	thanks. I figured that was the case, and there seems to be something in config that says the number of cores to use too
2018-02-23 23:57:42	alanz	but I was quite chuffed to get it built on my nixpkgs-only machine
2018-02-24 00:00:08	elvishjerricco	Yea you can put it in /etc/nix/nix.conf, or /etc/nixos/configuration.nix if you're on NixOS
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2018-02-24 00:14:05	alanz	I think that is where I saw it
2018-02-24 00:14:27	alanz	Still need to step carefully into that one, running on spare hardware for now
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2018-02-24 01:19:28	alanz	wz1000, I got a green CI: https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/320
2018-02-24 01:20:30	alanz	See https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/wz1000, in particular https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/blob/wz1000/circle.yml
2018-02-24 01:20:50	alanz	HAd to initialise a hoogle db for each version of hoogle we build agains
2018-02-24 01:21:33	alanz	And I stripped out some spurious builds that we just throw away again
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2018-02-24 02:13:25	--	Notice(GitHub108): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #472: Moved HIE specific commands to a new module, cleaned up haddock(no in… (master...master) https://git.io/vAcPK
2018-02-24 02:13:25	--	Notice(GitHub156): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 7 new commits to master: https://git.io/vAahv
2018-02-24 02:13:25	--	Notice(GitHub156): haskell-ide-engine/master 2966cf0 Zubin Duggal: Moved HIE specific commands to a new module, cleaned up haddock(no initialization required anymore)
2018-02-24 02:13:25	--	Notice(GitHub156): haskell-ide-engine/master a91166b Zubin Duggal: Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine
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2018-02-24 02:17:38	--	Notice(GitHub129): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #479: Fix circleci build (master...master) https://git.io/vAahi
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2018-02-24 11:58:03	wz1000	alanz: nice
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2018-02-24 13:19:29	--	Notice(GitHub75): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #479: Fix circleci build (master...master) https://git.io/vAahi
2018-02-24 13:19:31	--	Notice(GitHub59): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/vAVoA
2018-02-24 13:19:31	--	Notice(GitHub59): haskell-ide-engine/master 7095c9d Alan Zimmerman: Only generate base for hoogle...
2018-02-24 13:19:31	--	Notice(GitHub59): haskell-ide-engine/master 8ed1447 Alan Zimmerman: Generate multiple hoogle dbs, one per build
2018-02-24 13:19:32	--	Notice(GitHub59): haskell-ide-engine/master 4651c33 Alan Zimmerman: Try stripping down some steps from the CI build
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2018-02-26 13:13:42	matchray	The memberHierarchy concept will also be great to visualize ADT https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-ui/issues/73
2018-02-26 13:16:48	alanz	matchray, sounds good. And some day we can start looking at the kind of stuff that idris-mode has. Maybe.
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2018-02-26 16:00:16	IDEwanted	hi, I am using the vs code extension and I am not able to make hie work
2018-02-26 16:01:08	IDEwanted	I tried the work around here https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/issues/45
2018-02-26 16:01:17	IDEwanted	doesn't seem to work still :(
2018-02-26 16:12:41	IDEwanted	if anybody's online, please help me
2018-02-26 16:12:49	IDEwanted	I know I am not giving much info
2018-02-26 16:12:59	IDEwanted	please tell me what I should provide
2018-02-26 16:30:18	cocreature	IDEwanted: how abourt you start by telling us what error you are seeing? :)
2018-02-26 16:35:12	IDEwanted	cocreature: it doesn't seem to be working, the extensions log stops at working directory : $HOME
2018-02-26 16:35:23	IDEwanted	I see hie process running
2018-02-26 16:35:32	IDEwanted	but it doesn't work in vscode
2018-02-26 16:37:29	IDEwanted	viscose extensions log:
2018-02-26 16:37:32	IDEwanted	2018-02-26 16:35:44.46362 [ThreadId 4] - Setting home directory:/Users/IDEwanted 2018-02-26 16:35:44.465817 [ThreadId 4] - run entered for HIE Version 0.1.0.0, Git revision 5b8150471ad416329d987edec99332e113c2d0e4 (1203 commits) x86_64 ghc-8.2.2 2018-02-26 16:35:44.468028 [ThreadId 4] - Current directory:/Users/IDEwanted
2018-02-26 16:37:56	cocreature	how are you building your project?
2018-02-26 16:38:19	IDEwanted	stack
2018-02-26 16:38:53	cocreature	does the version of ghc in your project match the one used to build hie?
2018-02-26 16:38:58	IDEwanted	yes
2018-02-26 16:39:02	IDEwanted	8.2.2
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2018-02-27 03:06:50	--	Notice(GitHub60): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #482: Update to brittany-0.9.0.1 (master...new-brittany) https://git.io/vAKPu
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2018-02-27 11:51:34	--	Notice(GitHub57): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vA6cY
2018-02-27 11:51:34	--	Notice(GitHub57): haskell-ide-engine/master b6ae0bb Alan Zimmerman: Update to brittany-0.9.0.1...
2018-02-27 11:51:34	--	Notice(GitHub57): haskell-ide-engine/master dd262b8 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #482 from alanz/new-brittany...
2018-02-27 11:51:36	--	Notice(GitHub62): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #482: Update to brittany-0.9.0.1 (master...new-brittany) https://git.io/vAKPu
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2018-02-28 22:02:48	dpren	wz1000: There seems to be an issues with ModuleCache. I think it's getting cleared when the module fails to load. My understanding is it should survive until a new mod loads successfully.
2018-02-28 22:03:16	dpren	I'll look into it, just wanted to see if this was known.
2018-02-28 22:20:46	wz1000	dpren: I don't think we ever clear ModuleCache
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2018-02-28 22:56:22	alanz	dpren, It is known, I have noticed this as recent behaviour
2018-02-28 22:57:00	alanz	I suspect it crept in somewhere with the rewrite to use 2 monads.
2018-02-28 22:57:30	alanz	We need proper system-level tests, at the message level. I want to try to do something at the haskell-lsp level some time
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2018-03-01 00:33:27	dpren	the issue is cacheModule overwrites it with Map.empty when we call updatePositionMap. I'll have  a PR for this soonish.
2018-03-01 00:43:04	alanz	thanks
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2018-03-01 23:32:05	alanz	dpren, ping
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2018-03-02 00:40:50	dpren	alanz: what's up?
2018-03-02 00:41:24	alanz	I wondered how you were doing on the PR to keep the prior module contents
2018-03-02 00:41:44	alanz	And if you are out of time, point me and I will do it
2018-03-02 00:43:16	dpren	I'm about to send a PR together now actually
2018-03-02 00:43:43	alanz	great
2018-03-02 00:51:15	--	Notice(GitHub72): [haskell-ide-engine] dpren opened pull request #484: Make completions fuzzy, utilize cachedData and prevent it from being overwritten (master...master) https://git.io/vADcl
2018-03-02 00:55:05	alanz	dpren, are you running doctests on this? I don't see anything in the PR, but the comments are there
2018-03-02 00:56:23	dpren	no, sorry
2018-03-02 00:57:00	alanz	no problem, just got excited for a moment
2018-03-02 00:57:23	alanz	I do know that having doctest work reliably is a bit of a black art at the moment, so not overly concerned.
2018-03-02 00:57:33	alanz	And I am building your branch locally now
2018-03-02 00:58:01	alanz	But I think we need wz1000 to look at it too, and CI to pass
2018-03-02 00:59:35	dpren	It might be better if I split the completions and caching bug to separate PRs
2018-03-02 01:04:01	alanz	Keep it as it is, you will only need to do that if there is a problem of some kind
2018-03-02 01:05:01	dpren	Well I'm seeing a slight bug with completions, but I can't remember if it was like that before. Let me check.
2018-03-02 01:05:06	alanz	But it will be a good few hours before we have CI feedback, and wz1000 is probably asleep by now.
2018-03-02 01:05:35	alanz	I have this big todo item in my head to put proper end to end tests into place.
2018-03-02 01:05:49	alanz	By driving a test harness from haskell-lsp
2018-03-02 01:06:10	dpren	that would be very nice
2018-03-02 01:06:12	alanz	with a view to having a protocol acceptance suite at some point too
2018-03-02 01:06:43	alanz	but with a simple interface, turn on capture, post-process, store as a session
2018-03-02 01:06:57	alanz	from within the hie client
2018-03-02 01:08:55	alanz	dpren, btw, what editor/ide do you use?
2018-03-02 01:10:16	dpren	god, I don't know I'm in a sort of in a purgatory right now where I use different ones for different things.
2018-03-02 01:10:33	dpren	I'm using vscode for this project
2018-03-02 01:10:49	alanz	ok, that is the kind of flagship for lsp.
2018-03-02 01:10:54	alanz	I use emacs
2018-03-02 01:11:03	alanz	and the lsp support is coming on pretty well
2018-03-02 01:12:12	alanz	I need to see if completions are implemented though, in emacs. 
2018-03-02 01:12:52	alanz	time to fire up vscode
2018-03-02 01:16:18	alanz	ok, there are completions, with documentation. That's pretty cool
2018-03-02 01:34:32	alanz	Ok, I seem to have just picked up $200 Azure credits
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2018-03-02 02:27:18	dpren	so I did introduce a minor bug for qualified completions, but I'll get a fix in by the end of today so it's ready to review.
2018-03-02 02:30:01	alanz	ok, sounds good
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2018-03-02 08:05:14	dpren	ok I pushed a fix to the PR, should be good to go now
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2018-03-02 15:19:24	wz1000	dpren: looks good, building now
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2018-03-02 15:32:27	wz1000	dpren: don't we want to clear the cache everytime we cache a new module?
2018-03-02 15:32:41	wz1000	s/cache/cached data
2018-03-02 15:33:25	wz1000	because the cached data is for the old module
2018-03-02 15:33:41	wz1000	so it doesn't make sense to preserve it, as it needs to be regenerated for the new module
2018-03-02 15:37:12	wz1000	whenever we get a new typechecked module, we need to use cacheDataProducer to regenerate the data
2018-03-02 15:38:54	wz1000	what problem were you exactly facing?
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2018-03-02 15:57:10	alanz	wz1000, current master does not show ghc errors if you break a module, so it used to compile, and now has a bug
2018-03-02 15:57:48	alanz	And the dpren branch sometimes provides hover info, and then without changing the file at all, goes into 'loading" instead
2018-03-02 15:57:57	alanz	using vscode.
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2018-03-02 15:58:17	alanz	I have not investigated yet, observed this on a colleague's machine
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2018-03-02 16:31:51	reactormonk	Anyone had and luck getting HIE to cooperate with building xmonad? doesn't find any of the dependencies here.
2018-03-02 16:32:20	wz1000	reactormonk: I build my xmonad with stack
2018-03-02 16:32:28	wz1000	so hie works fine
2018-03-02 16:32:36	reactormonk	I got building to work, but hie doesn't find the dependencies
2018-03-02 16:33:21	wz1000	it should be looking in your global ghc db
2018-03-02 16:34:04	reactormonk	Ah, so if I install it globally, it should find it?
2018-03-02 16:34:13	wz1000	yes
2018-03-02 16:34:27	wz1000	unless you have a .cabal/stack.yaml
2018-03-02 16:34:36	wz1000	then it will use those
2018-03-02 16:34:54	reactormonk	I do have one of these
2018-03-02 16:36:50	wz1000	if you have a cabal sandbox it will try to use that
2018-03-02 16:37:09	wz1000	if you have dist/setup-config, it will use the global cabal db
2018-03-02 16:37:17	wz1000	otherwise it will try to use stack
2018-03-02 16:38:31	reactormonk	https://gist.github.com/reactormonk/ad7f18f74a74c532f5fe1abc68a30190
2018-03-02 16:41:44	wz1000	it looks like you don't have a .cabal file
2018-03-02 16:41:55	reactormonk	I have a package.yaml
2018-03-02 16:42:04	reactormonk	... that should get converted to a cabal file
2018-03-02 16:42:18	reactormonk	Wait, you're right. That should be there. Hmm.
2018-03-02 16:47:38	cocreature	the *.cabal files will be in the individual package directories
2018-03-02 16:48:35	wz1000	those are the deps. hie needs a cabal file containing xmonad.hs too
2018-03-02 16:54:42	wz1000	alanz: I just finished building dprens branch
2018-03-02 16:54:49	wz1000	Let me test for a bit
2018-03-02 16:54:56	wz1000	and see if I can reproduce any of the issues
2018-03-02 16:54:57	alanz	ok
2018-03-02 17:00:53	wz1000	alanz: as I said, the changes to the caching introduces a bug
2018-03-02 17:01:01	wz1000	open a file, and then edit it
2018-03-02 17:01:17	wz1000	you won't get hover information for any new additions
2018-03-02 17:01:36	wz1000	even if it compiled
2018-03-02 17:01:49	alanz	is that your change, or the dpren change? Because I reverted to master and saw the same effect. I think.
2018-03-02 17:03:52	wz1000	dprens change I think
2018-03-02 17:03:57	wz1000	I will test a fix
2018-03-02 17:04:02	wz1000	I see the issue now
2018-03-02 17:34:56	wz1000	alanz: I can't reproduce the bugs you were mentioning
2018-03-02 17:35:13	wz1000	the Loading... thing might have happened because hie crashed
2018-03-02 17:35:19	wz1000	like for an invalid hoogle db
2018-03-02 17:36:26	alanz	that was my initial problem, but then rebuilt the hoogle db
2018-03-02 17:36:49	alanz	I will have to investigate that stuff, it is a new guy, likely his machine is in a weird state
2018-03-02 17:38:09	wz1000	alanz: I think we should remove the `stack hoogle` stuff
2018-03-02 17:38:18	wz1000	It is unnessacary since we have haddock
2018-03-02 17:38:25	wz1000	hoogle can remain as a fallback
2018-03-02 17:38:33	alanz	ok
2018-03-02 17:38:43	wz1000	`stack hoogle` has a very high chance to crash hie also
2018-03-02 17:38:56	wz1000	if the hoogle version used by stack doesn't match the one used by hie
2018-03-02 17:39:09	wz1000	the hoogle db in ~/.hoogle doesn't crash hie
2018-03-02 17:39:33	wz1000	as it is explicityly saved as <hoogle-version>.hoo
2018-03-02 17:39:36	alanz	ok
2018-03-02 17:39:42	wz1000	so we never load a file for the wrong version
2018-03-02 17:39:59	alanz	We need to put a check in for that, these things need to be bulletproof
2018-03-02 17:40:36	wz1000	yes, so I think the best thing to do now is to remove support for the hoogle db generated by stack
2018-03-02 17:40:53	wz1000	since if `stack hoogle` works, `stack haddock` also works
2018-03-02 17:41:23	wz1000	`stack hoogle` is essentially `stack haddock` with some extra flags passed to haddock
2018-03-02 17:41:30	infinisil	I should really file some issues with the problems I'm having with hie
2018-03-02 17:41:33	wz1000	yes
2018-03-02 17:41:44	infinisil	Especially since I'm on nix, so it can be made 100% reproducible
2018-03-02 17:45:00	alanz	agree
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2018-03-02 20:08:13	dpren	wz1000: for the unqualified module completions you mentioned, I'm guessing that already worked before? Or is that new
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2018-03-02 20:54:27	wz1000	dpren: I think it worked before
2018-03-02 20:54:40	dpren	yeah I just tested it does
2018-03-02 20:57:22	wz1000	thanks btw, I've been using it for sometime and it looks good
2018-03-02 20:57:54	wz1000	dpren: btw, what problem were you facing with the caching?
2018-03-02 20:58:05	wz1000	it was rebuilding the cache too often?
2018-03-02 20:58:21	dpren	yeah
2018-03-02 20:58:36	dpren	via updatePositionMap
2018-03-02 21:03:00	dpren	any keystroked would clear the cached data
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2018-03-02 21:03:43	dpren	cacheModuleNoClear seems like the right solution, I didn't think about the other places we were using cacheModule
2018-03-02 21:06:02	wz1000	I guess this bug existed since I put the caching stuff in. Pretty nasty. 
2018-03-02 21:06:15	wz1000	thanks for pointing it out
2018-03-02 21:12:35	dpren	glad I could help
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2018-03-03 13:09:51	alanz	dpren, wz1000 so what are the next steps on that PR? Await a fixup from wz1000 ?
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2018-03-03 14:39:30	alanz	dpren, wz1000 I just tried dpren/master, and it is working much better. Hover works consistently, I can edit the file to introduce a bug and hover still works on other parts of the file
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2018-03-03 17:08:03	wz1000	alanz: I think it is good to go now
2018-03-03 17:08:27	alanz	ok, will merge. Thanks
2018-03-03 17:09:24	--	Notice(GitHub21): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 9 new commits to master: https://git.io/vA9GW
2018-03-03 17:09:25	--	Notice(GitHub21): haskell-ide-engine/master 578b1c4 Darren Prentice: getCompletions: use cacheDataProducer
2018-03-03 17:09:25	--	Notice(GitHub21): haskell-ide-engine/master da7d6e3 Darren Prentice: Fuzzy completions, fixes cachedData from being overwritten
2018-03-03 17:09:25	--	Notice(GitHub21): haskell-ide-engine/master e69555d Darren Prentice: Completions: associate module qualifiers with members
2018-03-03 17:09:25	--	Notice(GitHub65): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #484: Make completions fuzzy, utilize cachedData and prevent it from being overwritten (master...master) https://git.io/vADcl
2018-03-03 17:32:33	--	Notice(GitHub26): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #485: Remove `stack hoogle` support, update README, improve haddock rendering (master...no-stack-hoogle) https://git.io/vA9Zf
2018-03-03 17:51:06	--	Notice(GitHub90): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #486: Make sure that the GHC 8.2.1 build uses latest haskell-lsp (master...master) https://git.io/vA9Zr
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2018-03-03 20:26:55	--	Notice(GitHub68): haskell-ide-engine/master e392ac6 Alan Zimmerman: Make sure that the GHC 8.2.1 build uses latest haskell-lsp
2018-03-03 20:26:55	--	Notice(GitHub68): haskell-ide-engine/master 39df5dd Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #486 from alanz/master...
2018-03-03 20:30:47	alanz	wz1000, I am building your branch now, to give it a test run
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2018-03-04 03:35:27	matchray	alanz: How does https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-mode/pull/290/files work?
2018-03-04 03:36:29	matchray	in case the server terminates, M-x lsp-restart-workspace ?
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2018-03-04 03:53:40	alanz	matchray, its in case the server goes bad in some way. e.g. the haskell one has a memory leak
2018-03-04 03:54:05	alanz	So it shuts it down cleanly, as if emacs is exiting, and then starts it again.
2018-03-04 03:54:41	alanz	But it stores the original client-specific initialisation function, to be able to do the initialise.
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2018-03-04 10:34:43	matchray	it should benefit other servers. in case the server goes bad, every buffer will warn the associated process has terminated when kill-buffer which is very annoying
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2018-03-04 15:21:47	reactormonk	huh? Why isn't home directory .xmonad? https://gist.github.com/reactormonk/b7605ab5f652daceb25395aae6a0241c
2018-03-04 15:22:26	reactormonk	Ah, always that. I'm trying to debug why it doesn't pick up .xmonad dependencies
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2018-03-04 18:11:15	--	Notice(GitHub39): haskell-ide-engine/master af7e72a Zubin Duggal: Remove `stack hoogle` support, update README, improve haddock rendering
2018-03-04 18:11:15	--	Notice(GitHub39): haskell-ide-engine/master 5433855 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #485 from wz1000/no-stack-hoogle...
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2018-03-04 23:51:45	wz1000	reactormonk: I don't think that matters
2018-03-04 23:51:59	wz1000	that is the thing reported by the LSP client
2018-03-04 23:52:12	wz1000	which is ignored by hie
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2018-03-05 12:22:37	alanz	wz1000, does hie still use the hoogle db? Because I am still getting a message about using it, on startup
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2018-03-05 12:48:40	wz1000	alanz: yes, as a fallback if you don't have haddoc built
2018-03-05 12:48:55	wz1000	and for the docs in the completion window iirc
2018-03-05 12:49:02	alanz	ok, just checking. Thanks.
2018-03-05 12:49:25	wz1000	alanz: a good way to tell if your docs come from haddock or hoogle is to see the link at the bottom
2018-03-05 12:49:33	alanz	ok
2018-03-05 12:49:36	wz1000	if it says "More info", they came from hoogle
2018-03-05 12:49:53	wz1000	if it says "Documentation" and/or "Source" then it came from haddock
2018-03-05 12:50:21	wz1000	alanz: btw, `stack haddock` fails for hie for some reason
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2018-03-05 13:07:47	alanz	wz1000, I think it is the overloaded record fields in haskell-lsp
2018-03-05 13:07:55	alanz	or it used to be, if that has been fixed
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2018-03-06 06:27:49	d-fish	stack build unregisters haskell-ide-engine each time I run it for some reason. 
2018-03-06 06:28:47	d-fish	It has to rebuild haddock-library each time
2018-03-06 06:29:37	d-fish	Successive calls to stack build take about a minute, when they shouldn't actually be doing anything
2018-03-06 06:32:41	d-fish	Anyone know why this might happen?
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2018-03-06 10:06:59	d-fish	I solved this by removing all the references to Haddock from the source
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2018-03-07 11:48:18	--	Notice(GitHub69): haskell-ide-engine/master 6e1c5a4 Alan Zimmerman: Remove references to REPL and HTTP interface...
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2018-03-07 13:53:30	--	Notice(GitHub27): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #488: Do not return error message for hover and symbols req (master...module-life-cycle) https://git.io/vAFoU
2018-03-07 14:10:06	alanz	wz1000, I can backout that forall void stuff, if you feel strongly. It just seems more complicated than it needs to be. The standard idiom for a thing that never returns is to be IO ()
2018-03-07 14:10:51	alanz	And this speeds up dev dramatically: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/commit/072bb97e925eef45522251bfa2710ea14459eda0
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2018-03-07 15:05:46	wz1000	alanz: nice. but we still can't use hie with new-build projects :(
2018-03-07 15:06:09	alanz	no, but at least we can build hie quickly
2018-03-07 15:06:25	alanz	Makes a *huge* difference to the dev experience
2018-03-07 15:06:53	alanz	And hie cannot work on itself, in that case :(
2018-03-07 15:07:17	alanz	wz1000, do you want me to revert that forall void stuff?
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2018-03-07 16:06:11	wz1000	alanz: yeah, I think the original types are more accurate
2018-03-07 16:06:26	alanz	ok
2018-03-07 16:07:03	alanz	I guess I need to try to understand what it actually means.  Return anything
2018-03-07 16:09:05	wz1000	it means it can never return
2018-03-07 16:09:21	wz1000	because if it did you could get anything you want
2018-03-07 16:09:29	alanz	ok
2018-03-07 16:09:36	wz1000	like undefined but not bottom
2018-03-07 16:09:55	alanz	that makes sense
2018-03-07 16:10:22	alanz	I'm pretty sure you explained it to me once before too.
2018-03-07 16:10:25	wz1000	it could even return a type that doesn't exist, like void
2018-03-07 16:11:14	wz1000	so  statements like ending the function like return () is now a type error
2018-03-07 16:11:46	wz1000	it is also reflected in the type of forever :: forall a b. IO a -> IO b
2018-03-07 16:11:56	wz1000	not forall a. IO a -> IO ()
2018-03-07 16:12:07	alanz	ok, makes sense
2018-03-07 16:12:12	wz1000	or forall a. IO a -> IO a
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2018-03-07 19:05:40	--	Notice(GitHub182): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #488: Do not return error message for hover and symbols req (master...module-life-cycle) https://git.io/vAFoU
2018-03-07 19:05:42	--	Notice(GitHub173): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/vAbTM
2018-03-07 19:05:42	--	Notice(GitHub173): haskell-ide-engine/master ccb4f78 Alan Zimmerman: Do not return error message for hover and symbols req...
2018-03-07 19:05:42	--	Notice(GitHub173): haskell-ide-engine/master 131488c Alan Zimmerman: Revert ot using proper return types for endless functions
2018-03-07 19:05:42	--	Notice(GitHub173): haskell-ide-engine/master f3001e0 Alan Zimmerman: Typo
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2018-03-10 15:15:17	--	Notice(GitHub182): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #489: Speed up dev cycle by using cabal new-build (master...cabal-new-build) https://git.io/vAbiD
2018-03-10 15:15:22	--	Notice(GitHub17): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/vAjLg
2018-03-10 15:15:22	--	Notice(GitHub17): haskell-ide-engine/master 0cf7513 Alan Zimmerman: Merge remote-tracking branch 'haskell/master' into cabal-new-build
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2018-03-10 15:23:15	--	Notice(GitHub143): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #491: Use current directory as default when project root is not specified (master...default-root) https://git.io/vApln
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2018-03-10 15:23:15	--	Notice(GitHub56): haskell-ide-engine/master e5af7ea Gaston Tonietti: Use current directory as default when project root is not specified
2018-03-10 15:23:15	--	Notice(GitHub56): haskell-ide-engine/master e1e2c1b Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #491 from ktonga/default-root...
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2018-03-10 18:42:17	alanz	wz1000, I notice that the new hover thing strips qualifications from the sigs. I don't think it matters though
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2018-03-10 19:04:33	wz1000	alanz: yes, I changed that a while ago.
2018-03-10 19:04:49	wz1000	It makes the types cleaner
2018-03-10 19:04:57	alanz	ok. And I agree
2018-03-10 19:05:39	alanz	One minor nit though, we end up with a lot of empty lines in the doc
2018-03-10 19:06:01	alanz	We should perhaps postprocess to collapse all \n+ into \n
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2018-03-10 19:44:10	wz1000	yes, the doc rendering needs a lot of work
2018-03-10 19:44:35	wz1000	the problem is that you can't arbitary nest stuff in markdown like you can in html
2018-03-10 19:44:52	wz1000	but haddock is designed to emit html
2018-03-10 20:16:46	alanz	ok
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2018-03-10 23:10:52	domenkozar	is there a way to format imports with hie? :)
2018-03-10 23:14:23	alanz	domenkozar, not directly, at the moment. Bar what brittany does
2018-03-10 23:14:57	alanz	But it would be useful have the equivalent of haskell-sort-imports and haskell-align-imports from emacs haskell-mode
2018-03-10 23:15:25	alanz	Maybe open an issue for it, it is likely low hanging fruit
2018-03-10 23:22:07	domenkozar	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/492
2018-03-10 23:22:16	alanz	I saw it. Great
2018-03-10 23:22:44	alanz	There is lots of simple stuff like that that adds immensely to the usefulness of the thing
2018-03-10 23:22:58	--	Notice(GitHub56): [haskell-ide-engine] ktonga opened pull request #493: [WIP] CLI option for showing GHC version the project is using (master...ghc-version-opt) https://git.io/vAjad
2018-03-10 23:24:02	domenkozar	I've been using HIE extensively lately, the only problem I've noticed that after some time it just stops workig
2018-03-10 23:24:15	domenkozar	need to find when, probably due to some compliation errors
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2018-03-10 23:24:36	alanz	yes, there are issues around that. Thats why I added a restart command to the lsp-mode in emacs
2018-03-10 23:24:45	alanz	Still need to track it down
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2018-03-10 23:26:06	domenkozar	I'll pay more atention and look for patterns
2018-03-10 23:26:12	domenkozar	att*
2018-03-10 23:26:22	alanz	great, thanks
2018-03-10 23:26:49	alanz	In vscode you should be able to just kill the server, it is quite good at restarting
2018-03-10 23:28:40	domenkozar	don't think we have that for atom yet
2018-03-10 23:29:00	domenkozar	but it's fine, having a bit more pain will force me to track it down
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2018-03-11 01:01:58	wz1000	domenkozar, alanz: I think hie crashes if you run `stack build` while hie is also compiling.
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2018-03-11 07:35:23	Tehnix	domenkozar: I've added a restart command in a PR <https://github.com/Tehnix/ide-haskell-hie/pull/18>, but currently I'm experiencing trouble with HIE not starting on launch (works with the restart though), so I'm trying to figure out if that's just my setup, or what before merging it
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2018-03-13 10:54:09	Axman6	'lo all. I'm trying to get hie set up properly, and I've realised that all the notifications I've been getting in VS Code have been from Intero via the Haskero extension - after disabling it I get no warnings when I make errors (except from stylish-haskell when I make invalid syntax changes). 
2018-03-13 10:57:39	Axman6	Anyone know why that might be happening? 
2018-03-13 11:11:56	wz1000	Axman6: do you have hie installed?
2018-03-13 11:12:12	wz1000	check the Output window in vscode
2018-03-13 11:12:23	wz1000	It has a dropdown menu with lots of options
2018-03-13 11:13:24	wz1000	One of them should be Language Server Haskell
2018-03-13 11:13:28	wz1000	or something like that
2018-03-13 11:16:24	Axman6	I do, thought I think I sorted it out - I have had hie isntalled but just finished the make based build to get all the right versions
2018-03-13 11:16:30	Axman6	so seems to be working properly now
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2018-03-14 12:39:02	matchray	After a simple change, how to rebuild? `stack build` will unregister packages then register
2018-03-14 12:40:41	wz1000	try `cabal new-build`. Or use stack-8.0.2.yaml
2018-03-14 12:41:01	matchray	really like to see some wiki for contribution
2018-03-14 12:41:17	wz1000	stack has some issues with the version of haddock-library that ships with ghc-8.2.2
2018-03-14 12:41:30	wz1000	so it needs to rebuild it every time for some reason
2018-03-14 12:44:17	--	Notice(GitHub125): [haskell-ide-engine] MaskRay opened pull request #498: Tentative in-document textDocument/references based on textDocument/documentHighlight (master...references) https://git.io/vxTAS
2018-03-14 12:46:41	matchray	stack exec cabal new-build ?
2018-03-14 12:47:27	matchray	I cannot live without references..
2018-03-14 13:09:44	wz1000	matchray: no, just cabal new-build
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2018-03-14 13:37:11	alanz	matchray, see the file docs/HACKING.md
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2018-03-14 20:13:31	--	Notice(GitHub171): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #498: Tentative in-document textDocument/references based on textDocument/documentHighlight (master...references) https://git.io/vxTAS
2018-03-14 20:13:33	--	Notice(GitHub139): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vxk1S
2018-03-14 20:13:33	--	Notice(GitHub139): haskell-ide-engine/master 92c39c7 Fangrui Song: Tentative in-document textDocument/references based on textDocument/documentHighlight
2018-03-14 20:13:33	--	Notice(GitHub139): haskell-ide-engine/master 5e3b8c6 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #498 from MaskRay/references...
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2018-03-14 22:22:36	dpren	do cabal projects build with whatever version `ghc` is on your path?
2018-03-14 22:24:16	cocreature	dpren: that’s the default, you can pass -w to change it and if you pass it to configure/new-configure it will persist until you reconfigure
2018-03-14 22:26:12	dpren	thanks
2018-03-14 22:27:45	dpren	Tehnix: can the `useHieWrapper` setting read cabal projects too?
2018-03-14 22:29:38	cocreature	dpren: it just uses the version of the GHC in your path in that case
2018-03-14 22:30:06	dpren	ok good
2018-03-14 22:31:27	dpren	welp, hie for whatever reason is not working with this cabal project.
2018-03-14 22:31:28	dpren	https://github.com/elm-lang/elm-compiler
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2018-03-14 22:36:11	dpren	http://lpaste.net/363577
2018-03-14 22:42:56	dpren	documentation: True is set in cabal/.config
2018-03-14 23:00:23	alanz	dpren, I will take a look a bit later
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2018-03-14 23:15:18	alanz	dpren, that elm compiler file works for me. Using ghc 8.2.2/cabal 2.0.0.1
2018-03-14 23:15:38	alanz	cabal install --dependencies-only, cabal configure,cabal build, then open it in hie
2018-03-14 23:34:08	alanz	And on another tack, is there a HOWTO anywhere for running a private package store, for use by cabal. Not necessarily a whole hackage server
2018-03-15 00:03:23	dpren	hmm I did all that, still no luck
2018-03-15 00:04:55	dpren	the readme in `vscode-hie-server` says "Only works for GHC 8.0.2 projects at the moment."
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2018-03-15 00:04:58	dpren	is that still true?
2018-03-15 00:07:36	alanz	dpren, I installed the current master, on debian testing, by using the command "make"
2018-03-15 00:07:56	alanz	which builds versions for GHC 8.0.2, GHC 8.2.1, and GHC 8.2.2
2018-03-15 00:08:06	alanz	current hie master, that is
2018-03-15 00:08:21	alanz	and the vscode wrapper chooses appropriately
2018-03-15 00:09:24	dpren	yeah I'm using make as well. It finds the hoogle db okay. Just hangs on all the requests.
2018-03-15 00:15:08	alanz	dpren, I just checked my settings and realised it is not using hieWrapper. When I turn on hieWrapper it fails. So I think the wrapper has an issue
2018-03-15 00:15:38	dpren	ah
2018-03-15 00:18:16	alanz	let me know if it makes a difference.
2018-03-15 00:18:35	alanz	And I need to look, or make an issue and Tehnix can take a look (hopefully)
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2018-03-15 00:36:35	dpren	alanz: didn't seem to make a difference
2018-03-15 00:37:57	alanz	weird. What machine are you on? and do you have the latest vscode/plugin?
2018-03-15 00:38:06	alanz	And does it work for any other project
2018-03-15 00:38:56	alanz	And I see you are using ghc 8.2.1
2018-03-15 00:41:48	dpren	MacOS,  yes,  yes,  I was using ghc 8.2.1 but upgraded to 8.2.2 with no luck
2018-03-15 00:43:18	dpren	and I'm in vscode 1.21.0 
2018-03-15 00:44:58	dpren	the only other thing I can think of are these warnings on the cabal build
2018-03-15 00:44:58	dpren	`Warning: cannot determine version of /usr/local/bin/cpphs :
2018-03-15 00:44:58	dpren	""
2018-03-15 00:44:58	dpren	Warning: --root-cmd is no longer supported, see
2018-03-15 00:44:58	dpren	https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/3353 (if you didn't type --root-cmd,
2018-03-15 00:44:58	dpren	comment out root-cmd in your ~/.cabal/config file)`
2018-03-15 00:45:17	alanz	also vscode 1.21.0. Your log file shows it is using the ghc-8.2.1 version of hie. The top lines
2018-03-15 00:45:41	alanz	no idea
2018-03-15 00:45:50	alanz	I am strictly a debian user
2018-03-15 00:46:25	dpren	yeah that was from earlier, I can post a new log - but its the same behavior
2018-03-15 00:47:01	alanz	just the first 2 lines. Or tell me what compiler it is choosing, and if it matches what you expect
2018-03-15 00:48:54	dpren	2018-03-14 14:17:46.764024 [ThreadId 4] - run entered for HIE Version 0.1.0.0, Git revision 5e3b8c644b3978c6e4b43d4578a60e5389557bcb (1231 commits) x86_64 ghc-8.2.2
2018-03-15 00:48:54	dpren	2018-03-14 14:17:46.765153 [ThreadId 4] - Current directory:~/Code/Elm/elm-compiler
2018-03-15 00:54:06	alanz	ok, it is using GHC 8.2.2, and current master
2018-03-15 00:54:17	alanz	That first line is *very* useful
2018-03-15 00:54:33	alanz	Must get it to put the O/S etc in too, some time
2018-03-15 00:55:11	alanz	dpren, does it build fine if you say "cabal build" in the root dir?
2018-03-15 00:55:54	dpren	yeah I think so
2018-03-15 00:57:20	alanz	ok, this hang thing is weird. Try enabling verbose perhaps. 
2018-03-15 00:57:59	alanz	Your previous paste shows gaps, in time and vertically. Did you just edit those in, or is anything missing?
2018-03-15 00:58:03	dpren	I should try updating my stack
2018-03-15 00:58:12	alanz	particularly the first part
2018-03-15 00:58:21	dpren	yea I edited those 
2018-03-15 00:58:25	alanz	What stack version did you build with? I have 1.6.5
2018-03-15 00:58:37	dpren	1.6.1 updating now
2018-03-15 00:58:43	alanz	edited to add blank lines, or to remove stuff 
2018-03-15 00:58:49	dpren	blank lines
2018-03-15 00:59:19	alanz	One last possibility, I had some issues on a colleagues machine when the GHC used in stack is different from the system one
2018-03-15 00:59:38	alanz	So I ended up symlinking the system one to the one in the stack dir
2018-03-15 01:00:19	alanz	Because from GHC 8.2.2 or so, they actually check the ABI when loading .hi files, and they are different for the compiler-installed packages
2018-03-15 01:00:40	alanz	But it would show up as a build error, I think
2018-03-15 01:09:49	dpren	huh, still hanging with stack 1.6.5
2018-03-15 01:10:20	dpren	I'll have to come back to this later, thx for taking a look
2018-03-15 01:18:48	dpren	I'm an idiot. I forgot the master branch of this repo is unstable and of course is in a failed state.
2018-03-15 01:20:14	dpren	cabal doesn't throw a build error though for some reason
2018-03-15 01:22:24	alanz	ok, FYI I just cloned it, configured, and build
2018-03-15 01:22:35	alanz	earlier
2018-03-15 01:23:15	alanz	But I did have to resolve some conflicts in my "cabal install --dependencies-only" by "ghc-pkg unregister"ing a package or two
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2018-03-15 13:42:31	cocreature	how exactly does hie generate the docs/source links shown in lsp-ui in emacs? they seem to point to /nix/store/… for some reason even on projects that are definitely not using nix
2018-03-15 13:45:41	alanz	cocreature, it just formats the markdown that hie gives it, as I understand things
2018-03-15 13:45:52	alanz	what version of emacs are you using?
2018-03-15 13:46:22	cocreature	26
2018-03-15 13:46:44	cocreature	alanz: I guess I was more asking how hie finds haddocks
2018-03-15 13:46:56	alanz	ok, that has all the whizbang features, I am stuck on 25
2018-03-15 13:47:13	alanz	And I have no idea about that, best is to ask wz1000 
2018-03-15 13:47:24	cocreature	it’s really pretty!
2018-03-15 13:47:39	alanz	I agree, the people are doing a great job on it
2018-03-15 13:47:49	alanz	I am using it for day to day work, and its great
2018-03-15 13:47:58	cocreature	https://i.imgur.com/msrrB0H.png
2018-03-15 13:48:29	alanz	Except on emacs 25 it does not use a child frame for docs, and I have not found a way to click on the doc links
2018-03-15 13:48:44	cocreature	yeah I actually upgraded to 26 just for this :)
2018-03-15 13:49:08	alanz	Might be worth doing, but not sure how to on debian testing, and it has not bugged me enough to try
2018-03-15 13:49:22	alanz	And it does help to be using the version that the mass of people are using too
2018-03-15 13:49:38	alanz	Keeps the lsp-ui devs honest, as I file bug reports :)
2018-03-15 13:49:59	alanz	Which is also one of the reasons I am not going to switch to nixos. Although I *am* tempted
2018-03-15 13:50:04	cocreature	yeah definitely. although switching to 26 is rather easy (or at least was for me): just download the pretest. ./configure && make && make install and you’re good to go
2018-03-15 13:51:01	alanz	I guess. I am never sure what deep integration is involved though. But I am running my own customisations, so not installing any debs for emacs modes etc
2018-03-15 13:52:41	alanz	The best part of this whole thing is we are tapping into the entire emacs dev base of people using LSP, for *any* language
2018-03-15 13:52:56	alanz	And ditto for vscode, atom, vim, etc
2018-03-15 13:55:09	cocreature	yeah lsp is great for everyone
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2018-03-15 16:10:06	wz1000	cocreature: if the doc has a link saying "Documentation" at the bottom, it comes from your local hoogle db
2018-03-15 16:10:40	wz1000	s/Documentation/More info/g
2018-03-15 16:11:18	wz1000	if it has link(s) saying "Documatation" and/or "Source", it came from haddock
2018-03-15 16:12:38	wz1000	specifically from the haddock interface file.
2018-03-15 16:12:40	cocreature	wz1000: hm I’m not sure that’s it. I get “No hoogle db found. Check the README for instructions to generate one” but I still have “Documentation” and “Source” links
2018-03-15 16:14:53	wz1000	cocreature: ok, so the ghc stores info about all the packages it knowns about, and each package has two fields, haddockInterfaces, and haddockHTMLs :: [FilePath]
2018-03-15 16:15:04	wz1000	see https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/Haddock.hs#L32
2018-03-15 16:15:33	wz1000	s/the ghc/the ghc dynflags/
2018-03-15 16:17:29	wz1000	cocreature: "Documenation" and "Source" means that your docs come from haddock
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2018-03-15 16:29:20	cocreature	wz1000: right but I’m not sure which haddocks. I have a file open that doesn’t belong to a project. the GHC in my PATH is not installed via nix, neither is ghc-pkg but the Documentation/Source links still point to the haddocks in nix
2018-03-15 16:29:30	cocreature	so I don’t understand the mechanism used to find haddocks
2018-03-15 16:31:34	wz1000	cocreature: turn on --vomit and you might be able to see which package store hie ended up using
2018-03-15 16:31:39	wz1000	it outputs on stderr
2018-03-15 16:32:50	cocreature	alright, thanks! I’ll try that later
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2018-03-16 13:14:19	cocreature	hie for 8.4 is not a thing so far, right?
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2018-03-17 01:31:02	reactormonk	Can I use the HIE to execute arbitrary haskell?
2018-03-17 01:46:19	alanz	reactormonk, no
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2018-03-17 02:59:10	wz1000	reactormonk: you could add a way to do that
2018-03-17 02:59:35	wz1000	ghc has some functions to evaluate expressions in an interactive context
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2018-03-18 13:37:13	--	Notice(GitHub2): haskell-ide-engine/master 0cf31b0 Sergey Vinokurov: Add 'dante' tool
2018-03-18 13:37:13	--	Notice(GitHub2): haskell-ide-engine/master 1051cc6 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #499 from sergv/patch-1...
2018-03-18 13:37:15	--	Notice(GitHub35): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #499: Add 'dante' tool (master...patch-1) https://git.io/vxOrE
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2018-03-18 23:15:20	fendor	good morning, having trouble using hie with vscode, is this the right place to ask?
2018-03-18 23:24:49	alanz	fendor, yes
2018-03-18 23:27:44	fendor	alanz, well, i downloaded the source and installed hie via `stack install --nix`. I also installed the vscode plugin but on startup, it complains that hie is not started
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2018-03-18 23:28:05	fendor	when i force start, nothing happens, i think
2018-03-18 23:28:36	alanz	fendor, for nix you need to use the hie-nix thing that domenkozar made
2018-03-18 23:29:04	alanz	https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix
2018-03-18 23:29:26	fendor	alanz, thanks!
2018-03-18 23:29:58	alanz	I guess we should update the README
2018-03-18 23:30:58	fendor	alanz, that would be awesome!
2018-03-18 23:31:16	fendor	i will come back and tell you if works now
2018-03-18 23:34:10	--	Notice(GitHub82): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vx3ld
2018-03-18 23:34:10	--	Notice(GitHub82): haskell-ide-engine/master 0c8e770 Alan Zimmerman: Refer to https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix...
2018-03-18 23:37:07	--	Notice(GitHub70): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vx38f
2018-03-18 23:37:07	--	Notice(GitHub70): haskell-ide-engine/master 392cadd Alan Zimmerman: Document using make for the installation
2018-03-18 23:37:46	alanz	fendor, thanks. And please make a PR on the README, or on the hie-nix repo if the docs need updating. Fresh eyes/experience is good for updating docs
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2018-03-19 17:06:41	fendor	morning, when using hie with vscode, it just highlights the imports and does not report any syntax errors
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2018-03-19 19:16:45	fendor_	when using nix, and installing haskell-ide-engine with nix, i try to start, hie tries to install ghc8.2 but fails, so hie does not start :(
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2018-03-19 20:48:21	infinisil	fendor_: https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix
2018-03-19 20:50:21	fendor_	infinisil, i installed it via this way
2018-03-19 20:50:55	fendor_	infinisil, hm, but i do not have the executables hie-8.2
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2018-03-19 21:37:36	fendor_	welp, as far as i see, hie does not work with nix currently :( 
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2018-03-19 22:32:45	domenkozar	fendor: what's the error you get?
2018-03-19 22:32:50	domenkozar	and how are you running it
2018-03-19 22:33:51	fendor	domenkozar, hie tries to download ghc 8.2.2, which should be already installed and fails, since i am running nixos
2018-03-19 22:34:10	fendor	i installed hie via the github repo  https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix
2018-03-19 22:34:26	fendor	hence, i have the executables hie-8.2 and hie-8.0
2018-03-19 22:36:05	fendor	the output is https://hastebin.com/dixofojure.bash
2018-03-19 22:37:14	fendor	i ran it via hie-8.2 and the recommended wrapper script to determine project ghc, and both work the same way
2018-03-19 22:38:43	fendor	by working, i mean they try to download ghc-8.2.2 again and fail miserably
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2018-03-19 23:36:05	alanz	fendor, are you trying to use it against a stack project?
2018-03-19 23:40:50	fendor	alanz, yes
2018-03-19 23:41:11	alanz	can you build the project, without using hie?
2018-03-19 23:41:33	fendor	yes
2018-03-19 23:41:49	fendor	except for benchmarking, that fails for some other weird error
2018-03-19 23:42:01	alanz	do you give it any params to build? like stack --nix or some such?
2018-03-19 23:42:30	fendor	alanz, i have an alias stack='stack --nix'
2018-03-19 23:42:36	fendor	at least in fish
2018-03-19 23:42:42	fendor	does it use bash?
2018-03-19 23:43:00	alanz	ok, I think you need to put the nix thing into the stack.yaml
2018-03-19 23:43:13	alanz	Or ask on #ghc-mod how to do it
2018-03-19 23:43:50	fendor	alanz, ok, thanks! will try that
2018-03-19 23:49:25	fendor	alanz, ok, enabling nix in stack.yaml works partly, no error, but it doesnt highlight anything
2018-03-19 23:57:09	alanz	ok, use the settings in vscode to turn on logging, and paste the /tmp/hie.log somewhere
2018-03-20 00:01:10	fendor	alanz, https://hastebin.com/arogesiqar.coffeescript
2018-03-20 00:01:47	alanz	fendor, turn off hie wrapper
2018-03-20 00:04:16	fendor	alanz, then he cannot find it because it is named hie-8.2
2018-03-20 00:04:57	alanz	ok, then you need to rename it to hie, or update the batch file to call it that
2018-03-20 00:05:40	fendor	complicated since it nix relies that it is only named as it expects it
2018-03-20 00:06:17	alanz	hold on
2018-03-20 00:08:20	alanz	What I don't understand is that the wrapper falls back. See https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/hie-wrapper.sh#L62
2018-03-20 00:09:17	fendor	alanz, ok, i managed to make it work now by copying the binary hie-8.2 to ~/.local/bin/hie and telling vscode to use a wrapper (not my custom wrapper)
2018-03-20 00:10:18	fendor	i have to force start it 0.o
2018-03-20 00:11:13	alanz	ok. And the tail end of that thing you pasted shows it did find hie-8.2
2018-03-20 00:11:54	fendor	ok, it doesnt work reliably, after restart, it cant find it again
2018-03-20 00:12:31	alanz	The whole nix world is a mystery to me, tbh
2018-03-20 00:13:31	fendor	alanz, so far for me too :( but i was way more dissappointed by my prior OS's
2018-03-20 00:14:03	alanz	There was a recent post on reddit about running stack in vanilla mode on nixos
2018-03-20 00:16:52	fendor	alanz, i think i got it, i am gonna reinstall it as hie and then try it again, thx!
2018-03-20 00:17:08	alanz	good luck
2018-03-20 00:17:51	fendor	alanz, worked!
2018-03-20 00:17:56	fendor	nice, thx for your support!
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2018-03-20 03:41:01	AWizzArd	In the features list of HIE I see that it supports Stack. How does this work? When I open a source file inside a stack project – will it then automatically call stack under the hood?
2018-03-20 03:41:12	AWizzArd	Or do I have to configure that somehow?
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2018-03-20 10:39:20	 *	BillSun[m] sent a long message: BillSun[m]_2018-03-20_05:09:19.txt <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/nKjIcvdYHxKqKGZjIgHCpeZA>
2018-03-20 10:42:26	BillSun[m]	The cache was probably dirtied from previous use of GHC, so cleaning it up seem to help.
2018-03-20 10:42:27	BillSun[m]	I'll try to see if I can reliably setup hie on nixos a few more times to get down the necessary steps and do a PR on the readme.
2018-03-20 10:49:28	BillSun[m]	Ironically, the inconsistent state problems encountered with the tool chain is, to my amateur understanding, exactly the kind of problem Haskell is trying to solve with its purity.
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2018-03-20 11:36:03	BillSun[m]	AWizzArd: 
2018-03-20 11:36:45	BillSun[m]	I think the stack support means that it knows to invoke the GHC installed by stack?
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2018-03-20 17:03:58	domenkozar	alanz: if hie-8.2 doesn't work and hie does, then the error must be in the wrapper, not nix?
2018-03-20 17:04:17	domenkozar	talking about problem that fendor had
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2018-03-20 18:08:34	alanz	domenkozar, I am not sure. I think they eventually got it working by setting the build to work as stack only, as stack was trying to install the ghc compiler, or something like that
2018-03-20 18:11:08	domenkozar	ah yes, you need stack --nix
2018-03-20 18:14:08	alanz	and hie does not know about that, so it needs to be in the stack.yaml
2018-03-20 18:14:25	alanz	or it has to be passed in somehow, not sure where
2018-03-20 18:28:13	fendor	domenkozar, yes, when you add enable: true to stack.yaml it works
2018-03-20 18:28:47	fendor	however, since I am working on a project with several people, this doesn't seem to be a feasible solution for me
2018-03-20 18:29:58	domenkozar	I have ~/.stack/config.yaml with nix enabled
2018-03-20 18:30:10	domenkozar	maybe I should add this to hie-nix readme
2018-03-20 18:32:25	fendor	domenkozar, that would be nice!
2018-03-20 18:32:26	alanz	domenkozar, sounds like a great idea
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2018-03-20 19:52:11	domenkozar	alanz: https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix/commit/79386e91c00def35698d9e18ab6c7bae4b7afac4
2018-03-20 19:52:17	domenkozar	wdyt
2018-03-20 19:52:29	alanz	wdyt?
2018-03-20 19:52:49	alanz	thanks
2018-03-20 19:52:58	infinisil	what do you think
2018-03-20 19:53:31	infinisil	(if your question mark indicated you not knowing the abbreviation)
2018-03-20 19:53:33	alanz	looks good
2018-03-20 19:53:44	alanz	it did indeed
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2018-03-21 21:58:22	dpren	is the make + useHieWrapper combo working reliably yet?  I was thinking it would be nice if we could make it the default in vscode.
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2018-03-21 23:25:51	alanz	dpren, I think so, but I have not tested it thoroughly in vscode recently. I use emacs, and that works fine, using the make output
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2018-03-21 23:43:31	cocreature	last I checked it still required you to force start the executable because it checks for an executable called "hie" even if it will start one called "hie-8.2"
2018-03-21 23:43:38	cocreature	so that should probably be fixed before making it the default
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2018-03-21 23:45:54	cocreature	specifically https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/src/extension.ts#L132 needs to handle the case where you only have hie-8.0 and hie-8.2 but not hie
2018-03-21 23:59:15	alanz	cocreature, thanks. I had an idea there was some kind of issue
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2018-03-22 12:52:55	--	Notice(GitHub189): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #501: Circle 2.0 (master...circle-2.0) https://git.io/vxWwj
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2018-03-22 19:33:54	--	Notice(GitHub184): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 6 new commits to master: https://git.io/vxlLg
2018-03-22 19:33:54	--	Notice(GitHub184): haskell-ide-engine/master 483cee4 Alan Zimmerman: First attempt for circleci version 2 API
2018-03-22 19:33:54	--	Notice(GitHub184): haskell-ide-engine/master e1029d5 Alan Zimmerman: Try circle again
2018-03-22 19:33:54	--	Notice(GitHub184): haskell-ide-engine/master 35af4aa Alan Zimmerman: kick circle
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2018-03-22 21:05:26	alanz	circleci 2.0 build now takes < 90 mins for all three compilers
2018-03-22 21:29:31	wz1000	nice
2018-03-22 21:31:29	alanz	except I just broke something in the caching. Anyway, its possible
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2018-03-22 22:31:39	cocreature	alanz: is 90 mins the limit on circleci?
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2018-03-22 23:10:31	alanz	no, its just how long it takes. 84mins, I think, the last one
2018-03-22 23:10:39	alanz	Prior to this it took around 6 hours
2018-03-22 23:11:02	alanz	wz1000, its a combination of using a docker image with stack and the compilers installed, and running in parallel
2018-03-22 23:11:41	alanz	And this one took 45 mins: https://circleci.com/workflow-run/90cb74d9-8ff0-4443-bdc5-557a33621940
2018-03-22 23:40:54	cocreature	wow 6h is cruel
2018-03-22 23:42:35	alanz	yes, previously they ran one after the other, with a setup of the environment each time
2018-03-22 23:43:09	alanz	Before circle brought in parallel builds. And the individual builds blew the travis 50 min limit
2018-03-22 23:56:40	cocreature	I convinced travis support to extend my limit to 90min so I don’t have to figure out circleci :)
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2018-03-23 00:06:55	alanz	nice
2018-03-23 00:07:02	alanz	But circle isn't bad
2018-03-23 00:07:50	alanz	And I guess I should bring in appveyor too, for windows. Or whatever the windows builder is
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2018-03-23 17:39:56	reactormonk	alanz, would a way to interpret a piece of haskell code via LSP and getting the response back be a worthwile addition? Currently considering if I can do it directly with intero, but if not, I wouldn't mind implementing that feature into HIE and then use it.
2018-03-23 17:40:12	reactormonk	Think scratch pad in intellij
2018-03-23 17:40:44	alanz	I don't use intellij, but in principle I see no problem with it
2018-03-23 17:40:56	alanz	As an executeCommand thing?
2018-03-23 17:41:22	alanz	What would it return? How would the clients know how to use it?
2018-03-23 17:42:04	alanz	reactormonk, I think having a thing in there that is useful, even via one client is a good thing, and if it has demand other clients can implement it
2018-03-23 17:42:34	alanz	The point of hie is that people can use it to scratch their itch, without having to reinvent the wheel
2018-03-23 17:56:39	wz1000	reactormonk: definitely. i think the ghc api exposes some functions just for this
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2018-03-23 20:06:10	domenkozar	does hie support hlint refactor?
2018-03-23 20:06:33	domenkozar	ah it claims so
2018-03-23 20:06:45	domenkozar	need to check why it doesn't work for me :)
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2018-03-24 03:53:14	--	Notice(GitHub76): [haskell-ide-engine] IvanMalison opened pull request #502: Add instructions for emacs to README (master...emacsReadmeInfo) https://git.io/vxBtD
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2018-03-24 10:54:22	reactormonk	alanz, would return the output of ghci.
2018-03-24 10:54:59	reactormonk	I'd use it for compiling haskell code in files, aka org-mode
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2018-03-24 13:19:37	alanz	reactormonk, I have been wanting a ghci session in hie for some time, but have not been sure how to get it done. The main problem is that ghci assumes it has full control of stdin/stdout, which is used for the LSP protocol.
2018-03-24 13:20:21	alanz	But I have high hopes of using ghci in external-interpreter mode, where there is a GHC hook allowing you to update the pipe files to be used when talking to it.
2018-03-24 13:20:28	alanz	Just have not got to it yet.
2018-03-24 13:20:43	alanz	Come to think of it, that would make a good GSOC project, for the right person
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2018-03-24 15:53:41	--	Notice(GitHub160): [haskell-ide-engine] ptek opened pull request #504: Fix warning: '\u used with no following hex digits' in GhcMod.hs (master...master) https://git.io/vxB6x
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2018-03-24 18:29:59	wz1000	alanz: do you have a copy of my hsoc proposal from last year by any chance?
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2018-03-24 19:45:55	alanz	wz1000, I'm pretty sure it is floating around somewhere. Did you look in your github gists?
2018-03-24 19:48:22	alanz	wz1000, I just emailed it to you, shout if you did not get it
2018-03-24 19:49:24	wz1000	alanz: thanks
2018-03-24 19:58:15	--	Notice(GitHub137): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #502: Add instructions for emacs to README (master...emacsReadmeInfo) https://git.io/vxBtD
2018-03-24 19:58:15	--	Notice(GitHub47): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vxBQN
2018-03-24 19:58:15	--	Notice(GitHub47): haskell-ide-engine/master 801ab30 Ivan Malison: Add instructions for emacs to README...
2018-03-24 19:58:15	--	Notice(GitHub47): haskell-ide-engine/master d467dd2 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #502 from IvanMalison/emacsReadmeInfo...
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2018-03-24 19:58:53	--	Notice(GitHub109): haskell-ide-engine/master d130724 Pavlo Kerestey: Fix warning: '\u used with no following hex digits' in GhcMod.hs
2018-03-24 19:58:54	--	Notice(GitHub109): haskell-ide-engine/master 797ffc3 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #504 from ptek/master...
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2018-03-25 02:34:38	dpren	cocreature: I'm working on a PR to make the wrapper default. Do you think we should even have a check? Or should hie-wrapper.sh be solely responsible for checking for what it needs? If we did check up front that all the versions got installed, I believe it would force existing users to run `make`. Which idk if that's a big deal or not.
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2018-03-25 05:21:50	dpren	for now I'm just checking that any hie is installed, assuming the user knows what they're doing. But it would be ideal if we could guarantee that the versions match. Perhaps that entails deprecating the plain `hie` bin for default users, since it doesn't tell us version info as far as I know.
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2018-03-26 12:18:20	wz1000	alanz: so, did we get any gsoc applications?
2018-03-26 12:19:24	alanz	wz1000, I have one putting together a proposal, for the LSP test stuff and the HaRe module sharing
2018-03-26 12:19:50	alanz	He will be sending me a draft soon, I think
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2018-03-26 14:06:04	Tehnix1	Has anyone attempted compiling HIE statically? As in, so we could just download a binary instead of having to compile for against ~3 different LTSs
2018-03-26 14:06:56	Tehnix1	Would go a long way for UX IMO
2018-03-26 14:07:55	wz1000	it is compiled statically.
2018-03-26 14:08:08	wz1000	but we would need to provide binaries for every OS/architecture
2018-03-26 14:08:36	wz1000	and somewhat to automatically build them against master
2018-03-26 14:09:34	alanz	Tehnix1, as soon as it is in stackage things will get much better.
2018-03-26 14:09:45	alanz	But we are blocked by cabal-helper and ghc-mod
2018-03-26 14:10:46	cocreature	still some fully statically linked binaries linked against musl might be nice
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2018-03-27 18:51:27	--	Notice(GitHub74): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #508: Read Brittany configuration (master...PR-brittany-config) https://git.io/vxzvg
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2018-03-29 02:56:17	--	Notice(GitHub49): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #510: Update resolver for ghc-8.2.2 to LTS (master...support/update-8.2.2-resolver-to-lts) https://git.io/vx2C7
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2018-03-29 02:56:19	--	Notice(GitHub197): haskell-ide-engine/master bec64b1 Vlastimil Zeman: Update resolver for ghc-8.2.2 to LTS...
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2018-03-29 18:11:18	michalrus	I left HIE running for a few days (while using it), and today my machine started swapping. Turns out HIE ate 12+ GB of RAM. ^_^
2018-03-29 18:11:39	michalrus	I’m fine with such UX, tho, given how cool it is! =)
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2018-03-30 03:02:30	rschmukler	Hey all - does anyone have familiarity getting hie to work with multiple stack targets (eg. my test suite has additional dependencies)?
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2018-03-31 07:58:24	inkbottle	what is the ide here: https://camo.githubusercontent.com/2aa08d157d92b2953bd86cfd35769fc0c42fb994/68747470733a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f3176716d3465462e676966
2018-03-31 07:58:49	inkbottle	in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine
2018-03-31 08:19:32	inkbottle	it is VScode I believe
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2018-03-31 19:25:12	freeman42x	anyone know how to enable Debug LSP under Atom? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/512#issuecomment-377632662
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2018-03-31 20:03:53	wz1000	alanz: so did we get any gsoc applications for hie?
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2018-04-01 02:50:30	--	Notice(GitHub88): [haskell-ide-engine] DevJac opened pull request #514: stack-8.0.2.yaml resolver: 9.14 -> 9.21 (master...master) https://git.io/vxKVQ
2018-04-01 03:12:15	--	Notice(GitHub188): [haskell-ide-engine] rasheedja opened pull request #515: Fix broken 'Docs on hover' link in README (master...fix-readme-docs-on-hover-link) https://git.io/vxKrf
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2018-04-02 12:14:56	--	Notice(GitHub175): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vx66h
2018-04-02 12:14:56	--	Notice(GitHub175): haskell-ide-engine/master b49e1d5 Junaid Ali Rasheed: Fix broken 'Docs on hover' link in README...
2018-04-02 12:14:56	--	Notice(GitHub175): haskell-ide-engine/master 8f0c575 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #515 from rasheedja/fix-readme-docs-on-hover-link...
2018-04-02 12:14:56	--	Notice(GitHub100): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #515: Fix broken 'Docs on hover' link in README (master...fix-readme-docs-on-hover-link) https://git.io/vxKrf
2018-04-02 12:15:26	--	Notice(GitHub153): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #514: stack-8.0.2.yaml resolver: 9.14 -> 9.21 (master...master) https://git.io/vxKVQ
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2018-04-02 12:15:27	--	Notice(GitHub183): haskell-ide-engine/master f707b3d Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #514 from DevJac/master...
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2018-04-04 03:59:09	freeman42x]NixOS	does HIE work with cabal also? or with stack only?
2018-04-04 03:59:32	freeman42x]NixOS	was looking at the code trying to figure out how hard would it be to make it work with Nix
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2018-04-04 08:09:34	dpren	freeman42x]NixOS: yup, it works with cabal.
2018-04-04 08:13:04	freeman42x]NixOS	I run into this slownes issue meanwhile while looking at Build.hs where probably builk of the cabal/stack logic is done https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/519
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2018-04-05 19:57:02	infinisil	Ugh, I just can't get it to work
2018-04-05 19:57:39	infinisil	I've struggled a couple months ago and couldn't do it, tried again but I can't do it still
2018-04-05 19:59:24	infinisil	I'm on NixOS, using cabal with cabal2nix, using domenkozar's hie-nix, along with lsp-{mode,ui,haskell}
2018-04-05 19:59:43	infinisil	Nothing seems to work, but I'll try again today
2018-04-05 20:01:06	infinisil	Oh and emacs
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2018-04-05 21:31:16	infinisil	Um, how can I see replies from HIE? I just get these ---> arrows in the log file, but none in the other direction
2018-04-05 21:31:52	infinisil	Although, there are some at the start.. So that might just be the problem
2018-04-05 21:32:11	infinisil	"Timed out while waiting for a response from the language server" Indeed
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2018-04-05 22:06:47	infinisil	Oh would you look at that, using stack instead of cabal makes everything work
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2018-04-06 06:48:28	shapr	alanz: what can lsp do?
2018-04-06 06:48:37	shapr	more specifically...
2018-04-06 06:48:47	shapr	lambdabot has @src and other useful tools
2018-04-06 06:48:56	shapr	coworkers and I compared ghci to ipython
2018-04-06 06:49:01	shapr	ipython is way better
2018-04-06 06:49:27	shapr	I wish ghci could show haddocks associated with a function, and also had @src
2018-04-06 06:50:15	shapr	hmm
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2018-04-06 10:38:18	wz1000	shapr: That's a GSOC project this time around
2018-04-06 10:38:48	wz1000	https://summer.haskell.org/ideas.html#hi-haddock
2018-04-06 10:39:45	wz1000	But HIE does support fetching haddocks for a function
2018-04-06 10:40:08	wz1000	and it will also give you a link to the source if you have generated haddocks with --highlighted-source
2018-04-06 10:41:14	wz1000	see https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/1394391/32080525-e482ac74-bafb-11e7-85a2-33658566fbfb.gif
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2018-04-06 20:58:28	shapr	wz1000: cool, thanks
2018-04-06 21:00:17	shapr	I would love to have :help in ghci
2018-04-06 21:11:30	shapr	I'd also like to have :src in ghc
2018-04-06 21:11:39	shapr	basically, all the lambdabot tools
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2018-04-06 23:06:48	wz1000	shapr: I made two gsoc proposals this summer
2018-04-06 23:07:40	wz1000	One of them is hi haddock which would involve putting :doc in ghci
2018-04-06 23:08:02	wz1000	The other one would allow putting :src in ghci
2018-04-06 23:08:04	wz1000	:)
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2018-04-07 01:11:49	shapr	wz1000: awesome!
2018-04-07 01:12:03	shapr	wz1000: have you seen the antique "ghci on acid" goa on hackage?
2018-04-07 01:29:52	wz1000	hmm, seems interesting
2018-04-07 01:30:06	wz1000	as far as I can see its just a wrapper for lambdabot
2018-04-07 01:31:36	shapr	yup
2018-04-07 01:32:16	wz1000	here's my proposal: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QP4tV-oSJd3X90JKVY4D__Dfr-ypVB57p1yDqyk2aQ8/edit#
2018-04-07 01:32:44	wz1000	basically getting ghc to dump the typechecked ast
2018-04-07 01:33:13	wz1000	so that haddock and other tooling like ide stuff can use it
2018-04-07 01:33:36	shapr	I like it.
2018-04-07 01:34:04	wz1000	and also ghci of course
2018-04-07 01:34:46	shapr	I'd like to move all the Haskell IDE-style tools to using lsp, and have the various haskell editor plugins use only lsp
2018-04-07 01:35:21	wz1000	LSP is a bit limited in scope
2018-04-07 01:35:30	wz1000	theres no repl or debugging for example
2018-04-07 01:35:50	shapr	ah didn't know that
2018-04-07 01:36:09	shapr	alanz' HaRe binding got me noticing lsp for the first time recently
2018-04-07 01:36:45	wz1000	yeah, we expose a few HaRe commands via HIE too
2018-04-07 01:37:05	shapr	yeah, I did a lightning talk at work on refactoring browsers and used that as the demo
2018-04-07 01:37:15	shapr	none of my coworkers had heard of such a thing
2018-04-07 01:37:18	wz1000	but its a bit slow because HaRe doesn't hook into the HIE caching mechanism
2018-04-07 01:37:36	shapr	and I think alanz spent more time helping me than the whole talk :-)
2018-04-07 01:37:39	wz1000	so it has to parse/rename/typecheck files all over again
2018-04-07 01:38:36	wz1000	you used HaRe with hie or standalone?
2018-04-07 01:39:06	shapr	HaRe + hie
2018-04-07 01:39:14	shapr	all from inside emacs
2018-04-07 01:39:21	shapr	dazzled my coworkers :-)
2018-04-07 01:39:46	wz1000	nice
2018-04-07 01:40:45	shapr	although once I got it working with one particular project, I couldn't get it working with others, not sure why.
2018-04-07 01:41:17	wz1000	same ghc version?
2018-04-07 01:41:26	shapr	same everything, same emacs session even
2018-04-07 01:41:47	shapr	so I gave up and ripped it out of emacs and went back to haskell-mode and cabal new-repl for interactive
2018-04-07 01:42:39	wz1000	hmm. Even I end up using vim+ghci 90% of the time
2018-04-07 01:44:11	shapr	I loved the type popups and other features, if it were easier to integrate, I'd use it all the time.
2018-04-07 01:45:45	wz1000	the emacs lsp stuff is also a bit immature
2018-04-07 01:46:57	shapr	being able to call HaRe was *incredible*
2018-04-07 01:47:11	shapr	made me want to add a pile of other refactorings
2018-04-07 01:49:34	wz1000	yea
2018-04-07 01:50:03	wz1000	If you have some free time, HIE has a module cache that you can feed to HaRe to make it much, much faster
2018-04-07 01:50:23	wz1000	thats been on the todo list for some time now
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2018-04-07 02:24:42	alanz	wz1000, mine too. But it is part of the 8.4.1 support, which is bogged down waiting for cabal-helper/ghc-mod
2018-04-07 02:25:11	alanz	And I am beginning to wonder if we should not skip ghc-mod/c-h entirely, and switch to whatever ghcid is doing
2018-04-07 02:25:27	alanz	what at least seems to work, across a wide variety of things
2018-04-07 02:27:00	alanz	s/what/which/
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2018-04-07 02:49:49	infinisil	alanz: That's the only blocking thing for 8.4.1?
2018-04-07 02:50:50	alanz	well, once that is resolved I can finally run the tests, sort out the last things there, then we roll it all up, hare then hie
2018-04-07 02:51:37	alanz	And I have tackled the cabal-helper stuff a few times, but I am out of my depth, dxld has definite ideas, and his comms are sporadic at best
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2018-04-09 00:54:17	Tehnix1	Were you suggesting switching out ghc-mod entirely? Honestly it seems that's the main painpoint every GHC upgrade, so if alternatives exist, that might be worth exploring for a quicker upgrade cycle
2018-04-09 00:59:18	alanz	Tehnix1, exactly. And ghcid is able to run cabal and stack projects, I understand
2018-04-09 00:59:33	alanz	And ndm is active, and on top of things
2018-04-09 01:50:30	dxld	alanz: you do realise ghcid is just a wrapper around ghci? like it literally just starts ghci/cabal repl/stack repl in the background and then talks to it via stdin/out
2018-04-09 01:50:42	dxld	no API access whatsoever
2018-04-09 01:51:21	alanz	dxld, but maybe we can do something similar?
2018-04-09 01:52:19	dxld	well if we upstream all the stuff talking to the GHC API and add that as GHCi commands, sure 
2018-04-09 01:52:20	alanz	I am just getting frustrated that there are so many moving parts, and we are not getting to them. So if things were reduced somehow, it might help
2018-04-09 01:52:55	alanz	One advantage of upstreaming stuff is it then moves in lockstep with GHC
2018-04-09 01:52:59	dxld	I know, it's quite annoying
2018-04-09 01:53:26	alanz	And hie only supports from GHC 8.0.2 onward
2018-04-09 01:53:42	dxld	I think a sane way would be to just add stable interfaces to GHC that do the actual magic bits
2018-04-09 01:53:49	Tehnix1	Getting things into upstream should also benefit everyone else that relies on the GHCi model
2018-04-09 01:53:50	dxld	like type-at-point and such
2018-04-09 01:53:55	alanz	dxld, yes. 
2018-04-09 01:53:56	dxld	the rest isn't really that hard to maintain
2018-04-09 01:54:14	alanz	The thing that really gets me is new-build/backpack. We have not even started
2018-04-09 01:54:24	dxld	I'm not necessarily suggesting adding those things to GHCi
2018-04-09 01:54:32	dxld	but where possible that would be good obviously 
2018-04-09 01:54:51	alanz	I agree. Especially with the envisaged 6 month ghc release cycle
2018-04-09 01:55:05	dxld	the trouble with upstreaming is it basically means rewrite
2018-04-09 01:55:19	dxld	and not just because of the license of ghc-mod :)
2018-04-09 01:55:20	alanz	yes, but hopefully once only
2018-04-09 01:55:33	alanz	and the key bits use the GHC API anyway
2018-04-09 01:55:37	dxld	yea I'm quite worried about the 6mo realese cycle as well
2018-04-09 01:55:49	dxld	IMO it's going to kill ghc-mod as a user facing tool for good
2018-04-09 01:55:57	alanz	the one advantage of it is that it *forces* you to streamline things
2018-04-09 01:56:06	alanz	which means putting things in the right place. 
2018-04-09 01:56:17	alanz	which is better once we get going on it
2018-04-09 01:56:33	dxld	I guess; survival of the maintainablest :)
2018-04-09 01:56:42	alanz	yes
2018-04-09 01:57:12	alanz	Especially as things are moving, so fitting in is important. So the more upstreamed the better.
2018-04-09 01:57:20	dxld	I've been considering applying for that job at well-typed they posted a week back or so
2018-04-09 01:57:34	alanz	And as a side effect other projects get to use it, so more hands available, as more people care
2018-04-09 01:57:35	dxld	wonder if they would allow working on such dev tooling type stuff
2018-04-09 01:58:00	alanz	for what value of "they"?
2018-04-09 01:58:05	dxld	well-typed
2018-04-09 01:58:10	dxld	see prev. message
2018-04-09 01:58:27	alanz	ah, missed it sorry. Sounds good to me
2018-04-09 01:58:37	alanz	is the post still open?
2018-04-09 01:58:39	dxld	they do a bunch of ghc/cabal dev so I'm just wondering
2018-04-09 01:58:42	dxld	think so
2018-04-09 01:59:03	dxld	but I'm not applying this time around, have to finally finish my uni stuff
2018-04-09 01:59:13	alanz	yes, in any case you would be closer to the fire
2018-04-09 01:59:20	dxld	which is part of the reason I'm deep underground ;)
2018-04-09 01:59:37	alanz	good for you.
2018-04-09 01:59:45	alanz	Finish as in June 2018?
2018-04-09 02:00:17	dxld	oh no, in like 3/4ths of a year if things go well
2018-04-09 02:00:43	alanz	ok, so end 2018. The southern hemisphere academic year end :)
2018-04-09 02:01:06	dxld	i think i'd be beginning of 2019
2018-04-09 02:01:43	dxld	you know what I don't get about this whole tooling situation?
2018-04-09 02:02:21	dxld	why is no-one else working on GHC API based tools? I would have expected some new project to have come out and replaced ghc-mod as the go-to thing like years ago
2018-04-09 02:02:54	alanz	its called stack
2018-04-09 02:03:05	dxld	that's not ghc api based, is it ;)
2018-04-09 02:03:14	dxld	it's Cabal API based
2018-04-09 02:03:17	dxld	if that counts
2018-04-09 02:03:36	alanz	well, everybody else seems to be managing without. 
2018-04-09 02:03:40	dxld	maybe everybody else gets what an unmaintainable mess the GHC API is :D
2018-04-09 02:04:04	dxld	well yeah, so do I since I can't use ghc-mod at work
2018-04-09 02:04:05	alanz	I think I must do some research, on things like how emacs flycheck does things, and ghcid, and that haskell-tools thing
2018-04-09 02:04:18	dxld	but it still gives me this inner feeling of emptyness :)
2018-04-09 02:04:27	alanz	it will stay an unmaintainable mess until we make changes to it
2018-04-09 02:04:35	dxld	indeed
2018-04-09 02:05:15	alanz	And I would rather put effort into things that are likely to stay fixed, than a band-aid that needs lots of TLC every time anything changes
2018-04-09 02:05:26	alanz	Which is what ghc-mod is, unfortunately
2018-04-09 02:05:42	dxld	well yeah, in an ideal world I'd want that too
2018-04-09 02:05:45	dxld	but this is the real world
2018-04-09 02:05:57	dxld	and ghc-mod has real users, not imaginary users :)
2018-04-09 02:06:08	alanz	I know
2018-04-09 02:06:11	dxld	so it must stay maintained(ish)
2018-04-09 02:06:16	alanz	agree
2018-04-09 02:06:28	dxld	if there was some replacement i'd be happy to throw it out the window
2018-04-09 02:06:32	dxld	but there just isn't
2018-04-09 02:06:34	alanz	But I am wondering whether some kind of c-h/ghc-mod lite might make sense
2018-04-09 02:06:38	alanz	just for use in hie
2018-04-09 02:06:45	dxld	even with all its flaws there still isnt a replacement
2018-04-09 02:06:50	dxld	and that's the bit I don't get
2018-04-09 02:07:10	alanz	Its not that it has flaws, it is just not getting maintained, due to lack of people to do it
2018-04-09 02:07:16	dxld	why am I (seemingly) the only one who ever thought: boy this ghc-mod thing sucks, I know, I'll go fix it
2018-04-09 02:07:41	dxld	or at least why no one built a proper competitor
2018-04-09 02:08:01	dxld	did you see the GHC 8.2 support ticket recently
2018-04-09 02:08:10	dxld	like 80 people upvoted that
2018-04-09 02:08:16	dxld	why are they not fixinig it? ;)
2018-04-09 02:08:24	alanz	I saw there has been activity around it, but I have been head down on ghc stuff the last while
2018-04-09 02:08:24	dxld	it's not the lack of people
2018-04-09 02:08:35	dxld	its a lack of people who are determined to actually do something
2018-04-09 02:08:54	alanz	I saw a quote somewhere about the 1/9/90 rule
2018-04-09 02:09:14	alanz	1% do something, 9% sort of get involved, 90% just use what is there
2018-04-09 02:09:50	alanz	and the reality is that you have to *really* put a lot of effort in to get your head around the whole c-h/ghc-mod/ghc thing
2018-04-09 02:09:53	dxld	s/80 people/40 people/
2018-04-09 02:10:19	alanz	lots of moving parts, not always obvious what is going on. And requires deep knowledge of cabal, which is a beast too
2018-04-09 02:10:32	dxld	that should still give me 3-4 people doing something
2018-04-09 02:10:46	dxld	if we take the 9% as the ones pressing a button to upvote :)
2018-04-09 02:10:59	alanz	I forget what the 9% do. But not much productive
2018-04-09 02:11:22	dxld	maybe the 1% are the ones that comment already :)
2018-04-09 02:11:34	dxld	and the PR sending ones are 0.1% or something :)
2018-04-09 02:12:13	dxld	brb
2018-04-09 02:16:49	dxld	maybe we should just focus on improving the documentation
2018-04-09 02:17:15	dxld	like developer documentation, how everything fits together, where the main contention points are and such
2018-04-09 02:17:36	alanz	As a means to draw in developers?
2018-04-09 02:17:45	dxld	mhm
2018-04-09 02:17:59	alanz	At the very least it can make it easier for others to hack on it
2018-04-09 02:18:08	dxld	well yeah
2018-04-09 02:18:11	dxld	but it is a tradeoff
2018-04-09 02:18:22	dxld	if I spend time documenting I'm not fixing things
2018-04-09 02:18:30	alanz	I got despondent when I thought I had it basically done, and you started saying it all needed to be reworked for gbuild.
2018-04-09 02:18:41	alanz	So I moved on to other things at that point
2018-04-09 02:20:01	dxld	I don't actually remember what you mean exactly
2018-04-09 02:20:13	dxld	wasn't that pr merged?
2018-04-09 02:21:35	dxld	or was that on irc?
2018-04-09 02:22:17	alanz	It was to do with the preprocessor paths, I had something that worked, you decided it did not match the current cabal and needed rework
2018-04-09 02:22:32	alanz	in c-h, I think
2018-04-09 02:23:23	alanz	But the cycle is so long, do something, make it work, wait for you to be able to comment, lose track of what you were doing, try to mentally swap in again, ...
2018-04-09 02:23:25	dxld	well ulidtko figured out the root cause I think: https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/pull/49
2018-04-09 02:23:40	dxld	he just never fixed it so it actually build
2018-04-09 02:24:11	alanz	yes, I saw all that going on, and then it got reverted.
2018-04-09 02:24:14	dxld	maybe we should just pre arrange pair programming sessions or something?
2018-04-09 02:24:36	alanz	And I have not built up the enthusiasm to actually look at it in the mean time
2018-04-09 02:24:44	dxld	well it broke the build
2018-04-09 02:24:50	dxld	but the actual change is quite simple
2018-04-09 02:25:13	alanz	you reverted it, then put something in in another branch, I saw
2018-04-09 02:25:35	alanz	Perhaps we should set up a time where we just work together and kill this thing.
2018-04-09 02:26:04	alanz	But from an overall getting things done perspective it is not sustainable the way it is happening now
2018-04-09 02:26:23	dxld	no, I agree
2018-04-09 02:27:00	dxld	but if you think faster turn around times would help I have no problem arranging a pairing session
2018-04-09 02:27:35	alanz	except your available time is pretty constrained?
2018-04-09 02:28:22	dxld	it's not soo bad, I usually keep the weekend open
2018-04-09 02:28:34	dxld	including friday
2018-04-09 02:29:30	dxld	we just have to figure out how to do it
2018-04-09 02:30:32	alanz	ok, maybe aim for a specific date/time. How much time do you think we need?
2018-04-09 02:31:02	dxld	dunno but it's not like we have to leave it at once
2018-04-09 02:31:10	alanz	I can commit from around 20h00 to 23h00 (UTC+2) mon-thu, or some kind of time on a weekend during the dat
2018-04-09 02:31:13	dxld	but i think 4-5h on friday is feasible
2018-04-09 02:31:44	dxld	sat/sun any time works for me
2018-04-09 02:31:54	alanz	at what sort of time? I have commitments in the evening.
2018-04-09 02:32:34	dxld	starting at mid day would be ok for me
2018-04-09 02:32:43	dxld	doesn't have to be in the evening
2018-04-09 02:33:19	dxld	actually let's take this -> /msg, no need to spam the channel with boring scheduling
2018-04-09 02:33:24	alanz	ok, let me see if I can fit that in, this friday. Your midday is my 13h00 at the moment, I think. I am UTC+2, always. None of this daylight saving stuff
2018-04-09 02:36:13	Tehnix1	Personally I haven't contributed to ghc-mod because it seems quite daunting, and I have little experience jumping into existing Haskell codebases
2018-04-09 02:36:51	Tehnix1	I try to make up for it by doing things where I'm a bit more comfortable, like the vscode/atom plugin, VimL stuff, documentation etc
2018-04-09 02:38:35	alanz	Tehnix1, you are doing an awesome job on the vscode plugin
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2018-04-09 13:28:25	Tehnix1	alanz: Is there a way to config when hie runs (i.e. on save vs on edit)? Or should that really come from the editor side (i.e. LSP client)
2018-04-09 13:35:19	wz1000	Tehnix1: there is no way to do it right now
2018-04-09 13:35:27	wz1000	but it should be a simple enough modification to hie
2018-04-09 13:35:32	wz1000	in LspStdio.hs
2018-04-09 13:36:08	wz1000	remove the requestDiagnostics call from the handler for Core.NotDidChangeTextDocument
2018-04-09 13:37:28	wz1000	depending on some config value
2018-04-09 14:10:44	Tehnix1	Hmm, might be time for me to get my hands dirty with hie then :slightly_smiling_face:
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2018-04-09 14:11:21	Tehnix1	Btw, how are configurations passed to hie? I asked this in <https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/522> (just opened)
2018-04-09 14:23:11	wz1000	Tehnix1: see https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specification#workspace_didChangeConfiguration
2018-04-09 14:24:29	wz1000	there is a Config data type in LspStdio.hs that you can modify
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2018-04-12 06:12:47	setre	has anyone gotten haskell-lsp to work in Emacs on windows?
2018-04-12 06:13:18	setre	I get timeout messages and I'm uncertain how to troubleshoot
2018-04-12 06:43:19	setre	it's lsp-ui that gives errors, without that it works
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2018-04-12 14:43:51	lierdakil[m]	alanz: finally getting around to building hie support for ide-haskell. Is there a place where I can find a list of available commands for lsp 'execute command' request?
2018-04-12 15:27:32	alanz	lierdakil[m], the current best bet is to look at https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell/blob/master/lsp-haskell.el#L37
2018-04-12 15:28:20	lierdakil[m]	Thanks, I'll take a look.
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2018-04-13 06:25:27	freeman42x]NixOS	just run into this: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/524
2018-04-13 06:25:59	freeman42x]NixOS	I don't know what change might have caused it, but it broke both VS Code and Atom at apparently the same time
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2018-04-13 23:20:28	--	Notice(GitHub104): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #525: Fix extra newline being added when formatting document (master...brittany-newline-fix) https://git.io/vxjcq
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2018-04-14 21:51:30	hexagoxel	alanz: i think i have brittany almost ready for 8.4. if you want i can make a release today, otherwise i'd like to potentially fix and merge some issue(s) tomorrow.
2018-04-14 21:52:17	alanz	I think rather take your time. I am climbing the cabal-helper/ghc-mod mountain again, unlikely to be anywhere by end tomorrow
2018-04-14 21:59:01	hexagoxel	right. i don't know the codebases, but given how often i hear those break, i don't envy that job..
2018-04-14 21:59:24	hexagoxel	"good luck" ? :)
2018-04-14 22:00:38	alanz	thanks
2018-04-14 22:01:00	alanz	I think I am close, had a version a while back, must just rebase
2018-04-14 22:01:54	 *	hexagoxel has pushed the ghc-8.4 branch for brittany. green for 8.4, but probably broken for 8.0/8.2
2018-04-14 22:05:59	alanz	that's what happens. and why CI is your friend
2018-04-14 22:06:40	alanz	hexagoxel, a co-worker discovered formatting via hie on friday. Got very excited/happy :)
2018-04-14 22:08:13	hexagoxel	nice to hear :)
2018-04-14 22:09:04	alanz	its actually great to sit next to a guy and show them what is in the tooling.
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2018-04-15 07:04:18	--	Notice(GitHub178): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba closed pull request #525: Fix extra newline being added when formatting document (master...brittany-newline-fix) https://git.io/vxjcq
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2018-04-15 07:14:28	Guest44546	Hello, my cabal can't seem to resolve the dependencies when configuring or building the cabal project https://pastebin.com/yUxkyBXX
2018-04-15 07:14:33	Guest44546	This is on cabal 2.2
2018-04-15 07:20:55	Guest44546	I've been trying to downgrade my installed template-haskell to 2.12, but I get this https://pastebin.com/bTgdn6BV
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2018-04-15 13:45:21	--	Notice(GitHub3): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba reopened pull request #525: Fix extra newline being added when formatting document (master...brittany-newline-fix) https://git.io/vxjcq
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2018-04-15 14:19:01	wz1000	alanz: nice, I just noticed CI finishes in <20 minutes now
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2018-04-15 14:19:13	wz1000	it used to take more than 3 hours sometimes
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2018-04-15 14:46:34	alanz	wz1000, yes, using workflows on circle. + decent cqaching
2018-04-15 14:46:36	alanz	caching
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2018-04-17 03:34:37	Tehnix1	Does this make any sense to any of you guys, with a bit more understanding of the LSP <https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode-languageserver-node/issues/333> ?
2018-04-17 03:34:57	Tehnix1	Mainly "OK. then for applyrefact:applyOne you could then simply generate a UUID and use it. This makes it unique inside the client and you are able to bind n servers."
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2018-04-18 17:14:10	zipper	I know this might not be the place but JSON RPC just seems like a API just that it has no requirements on HTTP and such, right?
2018-04-18 17:16:04	wz1000	yes
2018-04-18 17:16:58	zipper	wz1000: So if I talk to a process over a socket I am doing RPC?
2018-04-18 17:18:30	zipper	hmmm but wait from what I see both use HTTP 
2018-04-18 17:18:41	zipper	Not communicating over raw sockets
2018-04-18 17:18:58	zipper	Which is the appropriate place to discuss this?
2018-04-18 19:06:43	alanz	zipper, RPC stands for remote procedure call. It is a very generic term
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2018-04-18 19:11:19	zipper	alanz: Yes I went down this path because HIE is doing RPC for IPC
2018-04-18 19:11:27	zipper	but I think this uses raw sockets
2018-04-18 19:11:39	zipper	because it assumes it's all on the same machine, right?
2018-04-18 19:12:41	zipper	I just wonder how say emacs presents an RPC client. I want to use spacemacs with HIE but I'm not sure how good the support is. Not quite sure where to start
2018-04-18 19:12:58	zipper	I just read up on LSP
2018-04-18 19:13:14	zipper	I shold probably just google because I've seen github issues on HIE and emacs
2018-04-18 19:13:27	alanz	"hie is doing RPC for IPC". Are you talking about the LSP interface?
2018-04-18 19:13:42	alanz	which uses JSON-RPC
2018-04-18 19:13:42	zipper	plus alanz you use spacemacs right? but the haskell doesn't do jump to definition which LSP supports
2018-04-18 19:13:46	zipper	Yes
2018-04-18 19:14:12	alanz	well, I stopped using spacemacs, helm pissed me off too much
2018-04-18 19:14:17	zipper	* the spacemacs haskell layer
2018-04-18 19:14:34	zipper	Damn me
2018-04-18 19:14:41	alanz	and I get jump to definition via CTRL-], using the vim bindings
2018-04-18 19:15:21	alanz	So I can't comment on the spacemacs haskell layer (any more)
2018-04-18 19:16:21	zipper	CTRL-] isn't a thing in the spacemacs haskell layer is it?
2018-04-18 19:16:55	zipper	let me google it
2018-04-18 19:19:41	zipper	Sorry for rambling :P
2018-04-18 19:20:19	zipper	Found something here https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/7r228c/spacemacs_intero_haskelllayer_how_to_transition
2018-04-18 19:26:28	alanz	ok
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2018-04-23 22:02:40	wz1000	alanz: hey! so we got a gsoc for hie...
2018-04-23 22:45:03	shapr	yay!
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2018-04-23 22:53:13	alanz	wz1000, congratulations
2018-04-23 22:53:22	alanz	and we got the LSP test harness one too
2018-04-23 22:53:49	wz1000	yeah, that's what i was talking about
2018-04-23 22:54:04	wz1000	thanks
2018-04-23 22:54:19	wz1000	we only had the one application for hie?
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2018-04-23 22:55:52	alanz	well, I regard yours as one too
2018-04-23 22:56:04	alanz	wz1000, ^
2018-04-23 22:56:19	alanz	and the haddock hi one too
2018-04-23 22:56:43	alanz	so LSP testing, extra hie info from ghc, haddock in hi files
2018-04-23 22:57:07	alanz	And the TTG stuff can start enabling ghc-exactprint into the ParsedSource
2018-04-23 22:57:33	alanz	so lots of tooling improvements to come
2018-04-23 23:03:09	lukel1	hello
2018-04-23 23:07:22	alanz	lukel1, hi, welcome. I preume you are Luke Lau?
2018-04-23 23:07:40	lukel1	That's me!
2018-04-23 23:07:46	alanz	(sorry for the delay, just had supper)
2018-04-23 23:07:59	alanz	Pleased to meet you. I'm excited for the project
2018-04-23 23:08:23	lukel1	Not at all, I'm looking forward to it :)
2018-04-23 23:08:42	lukel1	Were there any other gsoc projects accepted here?
2018-04-23 23:09:16	alanz	Ones related are the wz1000 one for adding extra info to ghc output
2018-04-23 23:09:35	alanz	and one to add haddock docs into the .hi files emitted by ghc
2018-04-23 23:10:06	alanz	https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/projects/#6509299262554112
2018-04-23 23:10:27	alanz	https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/projects/#4975710121230336
2018-04-23 23:10:58	alanz	and yours, https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/projects/#6041896627994624
2018-04-23 23:11:19	alanz	and indirectly, https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/projects/#6085694691213312
2018-04-23 23:11:54	alanz	For anyone following at home, the full list is at https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5706672807346176/?sp-page=2#projects
2018-04-23 23:12:16	 *	alanz hopes that is a publically accesible link
2018-04-23 23:24:06	 *	shapr checks
2018-04-23 23:24:27	shapr	looks fine
2018-04-23 23:24:56	shapr	is the cabal new-build -> cabal build project approved?
2018-04-23 23:25:01	shapr	I'm excited about thatone
2018-04-23 23:25:10	shapr	but I also want cabal new-run and some other stuff
2018-04-23 23:26:53	cocreature	shapr: cabal new-run already exists :)
2018-04-23 23:27:00	 *	shapr tries
2018-04-23 23:27:14	cocreature	should be in 2.2
2018-04-23 23:28:35	alanz	I look forward to the new-* becoming the default. it is so much better than the old
2018-04-23 23:30:08	shapr	agreed
2018-04-23 23:30:11	wz1000	but it doesn't work with hie :(
2018-04-23 23:30:25	shapr	when was cabal 2.2 released?
2018-04-23 23:31:15	alanz	wz1000, I started working on it. But got stuck with the 2.2 version, having https://github.com/haskell/cabal/pull/5275
2018-04-23 23:31:28	alanz	which breaks the libexec directory stuff
2018-04-23 23:31:58	alanz	so we can't use cabal-helper with cabal 2.2
2018-04-23 23:46:46	dxld	alanz: FYI about that, the workaround is just to declare cabal-version: >= 2.0 or whatever the syntax for cabal spec version is now
2018-04-23 23:47:19	alanz	ok, for any project that needs to use hie?
2018-04-23 23:47:45	dxld	I still have to hash out how to un-break older versions with the cabal guys but in the meantine we can really just release a new cabal-helper that does away with Setup.hs+Cabal<2 support
2018-04-23 23:47:46	alanz	And sorry, I got busy after you identified that, and have been head-down.
2018-04-23 23:48:12	dxld	no worries, I wasn't expecting you to do anything about it really
2018-04-23 23:48:19	alanz	ok, sounds good to me. It can unblock the whole ghc-mod, HaRe, hie thing
2018-04-23 23:48:26	dxld	mhm
2018-04-23 23:48:29	alanz	I was hoping that was the case.
2018-04-23 23:48:36	dxld	I'm kind of sick of supporting Cabal<2 anyways
2018-04-23 23:48:41	alanz	And as a bonus, we get to discard historical support
2018-04-23 23:48:44	alanz	exactly
2018-04-23 23:48:44	dxld	it's been two releases now, time to deprecate :)
2018-04-23 23:48:45	alanz	:)
2018-04-23 23:49:13	alanz	And, if you are using such an old cabal, you use the tooling of that vintage too
2018-04-23 23:49:22	dxld	well yeah
2018-04-23 23:49:30	alanz	because you are unlikely to be able to use the more up to date stuff anyway
2018-04-23 23:49:39	dxld	the only problem is a user with say ghc7.10 but cabal-install-2.2 or somesuch
2018-04-23 23:49:44	dxld	which does happen
2018-04-23 23:49:58	dxld	in that case stuff will just break a bit horribly
2018-04-23 23:50:21	dxld	and it's hard to see that the too-new Cabal/cabal-install is the problem
2018-04-23 23:50:24	dxld	but meh
2018-04-23 23:50:30	shapr	silly question, where does "cabal install Cabal" put the resulting binary?
2018-04-23 23:50:33	dxld	I'll figure that out somehow
2018-04-23 23:51:00	cocreature	shapr: Cabal doesn’t have a binary :)
2018-04-23 23:51:15	cocreature	shapr: maybe you’re looking for "cabal install cabal-install"?
2018-04-23 23:51:20	shapr	ah right
2018-04-23 23:51:21	shapr	thanks
2018-04-23 23:51:30	dxld	cocreature: technically you can run .so's as if they are executables :D
2018-04-23 23:51:32	cocreature	the binary is put in ~/.cabal/bin
2018-04-23 23:51:38	alanz	that command always makes me chuckle. Its so bizarre
2018-04-23 23:51:39	shapr	ok, I thought that was right
2018-04-23 23:51:49	cocreature	dxld: heh :)
2018-04-23 23:51:50	shapr	I kinda wish cabal were more like rustup + Cargo
2018-04-23 23:51:56	shapr	haskup + Cabal ?
2018-04-23 23:52:32	alanz	well, there's a project for you
2018-04-23 23:52:43	shapr	I use stack for teaching newbies because it'll install the right GHC version, but cabal new-* is better after getting started.
2018-04-23 23:52:46	shapr	haskup?
2018-04-23 23:52:49	alanz	let us know when it's done, and we will criticise it
2018-04-23 23:53:02	shapr	ha!
2018-04-23 23:53:10	alanz	its a rite of passage
2018-04-23 23:53:26	shapr	having an infrastructure project get flamed on the internet?
2018-04-23 23:53:30	alanz	yes
2018-04-23 23:53:35	dxld	shapr: or just write a blogpost about how much better the ux would be with it and maybe someone will get annoyed at cabal and implement it for you :)
2018-04-23 23:53:46	shapr	tempting
2018-04-23 23:54:16	alanz	The C++ guy said there are two types of languages: ones people complain about, and dead ones
2018-04-23 23:54:18	dxld	honestly I don't know what these things look like in the rust world so I'd be interesting what things look like there
2018-04-23 23:54:45	shapr	rustup makes it super easy to use stable, nightly, or a particular version of your choice
2018-04-23 23:54:48	shapr	and Cargo is the build tool
2018-04-23 23:54:56	alanz	rustup is the think that installs the compiler and switches environment
2018-04-23 23:55:01	shapr	Cargo isn't quite as featureful as cabal, ime
2018-04-23 23:55:02	dxld	ah I see
2018-04-23 23:55:12	dxld	well that would be super easy to build for ghc
2018-04-23 23:55:15	alanz	but I think the stack resolver, and cabal --with-compiler are better options
2018-04-23 23:55:27	alanz	you can set per project. 
2018-04-23 23:55:36	alanz	rustup is global?
2018-04-23 23:55:41	dxld	I've always been annoyed that stack has ghc install support and the cabal ecosystem doesn't at all..
2018-04-23 23:55:47	shapr	yeah, I tried to build a coworker's fun rust project last night, and failed because there's no way to declare which compiler version is required.
2018-04-23 23:55:58	dxld	but with cabal -w you still need to go download ghc manually, which is a pain
2018-04-23 23:55:59	shapr	alanz: I think rustup is global, I'm not certain
2018-04-23 23:56:15	alanz	I've only poked a stick at it
2018-04-23 23:56:33	alanz	the cabal guys reckon installing GHC is a distro thing
2018-04-23 23:56:34	shapr	Coworker is teaching a Thursday lunchtime class on Rust, to match my Tuesday Haskell lunchtime class.
2018-04-23 23:56:36	dxld	you can stick --with-ghc in cabal.project with new build
2018-04-23 23:56:41	alanz	and provide .debs etc
2018-04-23 23:56:45	dxld	so a project local haskup could be quite easy to do
2018-04-23 23:56:46	shapr	it's been a good learning experience for the few of us who enjoy learning new things.
2018-04-23 23:57:05	dxld	literally just has to manage the bindist downloading and unpacking and putting the right ghc in cabal.project
2018-04-23 23:57:07	alanz	cabal.project is starting to get really useful
2018-04-23 23:57:21	shapr	yeah, I really like that feature
2018-04-23 23:57:24	alanz	The only thing I still need is git subdependencies
2018-04-23 23:57:24	dxld	useful³
2018-04-23 23:57:28	shapr	right!
2018-04-23 23:57:41	shapr	explicit git hash deps will make cabal.project the best tool for me
2018-04-23 23:57:49	alanz	agree. 
2018-04-23 23:57:58	alanz	it was a stretch goal last GSOC
2018-04-23 23:58:05	alanz	which got left out
2018-04-23 23:58:17	alanz	hopefully this time ...
2018-04-23 23:58:23	shapr	I didn't know cabal.project was a GSoC outcome
2018-04-23 23:58:27	dxld	I don't really get why that is needed?
2018-04-23 23:58:32	dxld	why not just use submodules
2018-04-23 23:58:51	shapr	dxld: explain?
2018-04-23 23:59:07	alanz	dxld, I am starting to come around to that view too, tbh
2018-04-23 23:59:16	dxld	well instead of putting the git hash/url of a package in cabal.project
2018-04-23 23:59:36	dxld	just git submodule add that project in some directory and add the directory to `projects: ..`
2018-04-23 23:59:48	alanz	As per https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/526
2018-04-24 00:00:23	alanz	which domenkozar is unhappy with, because it makes the nix packaging slightly more complicated
2018-04-24 00:00:37	alanz	but simplifies the stack files, and the cabal.project
2018-04-24 00:00:56	shapr	I really need to switch to nixOS so I can fully understand the tradeoffs
2018-04-24 00:00:57	dxld	well I for one think development should be more important than distribution :)
2018-04-24 00:01:09	dxld	they can build the nix packages when everything is done and the submodules are gone :p
2018-04-24 00:01:17	alanz	I agree, especially for hie
2018-04-24 00:01:19	shapr	dxld: easy distribution is how you get new developers
2018-04-24 00:01:29	alanz	but he said it was doable, just more complicated
2018-04-24 00:01:36	 *	dxld not entirely serious
2018-04-24 00:01:46	alanz	which in the nix world means write a script once, then run it each time
2018-04-24 00:01:51	dxld	well then
2018-04-24 00:02:07	alanz	not easy distribution, easy clone and build
2018-04-24 00:02:23	shapr	Mind you, the minute hie does more for me than haskell-mode, I'm converting
2018-04-24 00:02:25	dxld	indeed!
2018-04-24 00:02:44	alanz	I use them both at the same time. They complement
2018-04-24 00:02:48	dxld	what's haskell-mode ever done for you? :)
2018-04-24 00:02:54	alanz	Except when working on GHC
2018-04-24 00:03:08	shapr	I still use interactive-haskell-mode
2018-04-24 00:03:31	dxld	ah
2018-04-24 00:03:36	dxld	never could get that to work for me
2018-04-24 00:03:39	shapr	the few days where I was using hie+lsp+HaRe were great, but I couldn't get it working with more than one project at a time
2018-04-24 00:04:01	alanz	it should just work
2018-04-24 00:04:24	alanz	and for me, inf-haskell-mode stopped working
2018-04-24 00:04:40	alanz	and the new one tries to be too clever, I can't see what it does
2018-04-24 00:04:52	shapr	yeah, interactive-haskell-mode certainly has frustrations
2018-04-24 00:04:55	alanz	So I have taken to running eshell, and doing ***-repl in it
2018-04-24 00:05:03	dxld	same :)
2018-04-24 00:05:06	alanz	where *** is stack or cabal
2018-04-24 00:05:22	shapr	(add-hook 'haskell-mode-hook 'interactive-haskell-mode  (setq haskell-process-args-cabal-new-repl  '("--ghc-options=-ferror-spans -fshow-loaded-modules"))  (setq haskell-process-type 'cabal-new-repl))
2018-04-24 00:05:27	shapr	that took me far too many hours to figure out
2018-04-24 00:05:45	alanz	you should add it to the docs
2018-04-24 00:06:15	shapr	I found that in github bug report, I think on haskell-mode
2018-04-24 00:06:18	 *	alanz takes note. org-mode capture is great
2018-04-24 00:07:20	shapr	haskell-mode regex matches on the ghci prompt, thus the -fshow-loaded-modules
2018-04-24 00:07:20	dxld	shapr: is there a (lambda) missing there or am I missing something?
2018-04-24 00:07:39	shapr	it works?
2018-04-24 00:07:48	 *	shapr checks
2018-04-24 00:08:03	dxld	oh bracket missing after interactive-haskell-mode
2018-04-24 00:08:46	shapr	oh right, sorry
2018-04-24 00:11:34	alanz	the big thing needed for hie is to make it a repl
2018-04-24 00:11:57	alanz	either by exposing ghci, or by pushing hie into ghci
2018-04-24 00:12:01	alanz	or some blend
2018-04-24 00:12:47	alanz	Or perhaps merge it with the vscode debug protocol, and the phoityne thing, which has a cabal repl (I think)
2018-04-24 00:12:53	 *	alanz just thinking aloud
2018-04-24 00:14:17	shapr	did you see that apple is planning to extend lsp for clangd? I'm curious if they'll add more features like debug
2018-04-24 00:26:24	alanz	shapr, I did, and got pretty excited
2018-04-24 00:27:01	alanz	And I am pretty sure the clang thing is what one of the people hanging around hie is working on. Or haskell-lsp.
2018-04-24 00:27:29	alanz	except I am terrible at names
2018-04-24 00:29:34	shapr	In one part of Hamming's book on style, he sits down at the table with different cliques at Bell Labs, asks them what's the most important problem in their field
2018-04-24 00:30:14	shapr	I think one of the important problems in our field is dev tools, most things are terribly manual.
2018-04-24 00:30:35	shapr	none of my coworkers had ever heard of refactoring browsers when I asked :-(
2018-04-24 00:30:40	shapr	We probably have 75 coders
2018-04-24 00:31:12	alanz	This guy https://github.com/MaskRay
2018-04-24 00:31:41	shapr	wow, cool tools
2018-04-24 00:32:05	alanz	shapr, I was thinking earlier about putting some sort of manifesto/project plan for the GHC tooling
2018-04-24 00:32:12	shapr	I spent an hour recently trying to get emacs-cquery to run on my VM and talk to emacs on my host
2018-04-24 00:32:20	shapr	alanz: yeah? got some points in mind?
2018-04-24 00:32:25	alanz	to lay out the big pieces of what I want to do, and invite people to collaborabe
2018-04-24 00:32:29	alanz	collaborate
2018-04-24 00:32:43	shapr	I think that's a good way to get contributions
2018-04-24 00:32:56	alanz	shapr, the basic idea is to move toward something like the C# roslyn compiler, or clanf
2018-04-24 00:32:58	alanz	clang
2018-04-24 00:33:05	shapr	I didn't know about lsp before I decided to show off HaRe to my coworkers
2018-04-24 00:33:10	shapr	yes, I like that approach
2018-04-24 00:33:25	alanz	where the IDE is a first class user, and the compiler in batch mode is a secondary thing
2018-04-24 00:33:39	shapr	Recent hacker news comment said "lsp changes M editors and N languages from M * N to M + N"
2018-04-24 00:33:45	alanz	yes
2018-04-24 00:33:56	alanz	which is what I wanted from hie from the beginning
2018-04-24 00:34:14	alanz	I had omnisharp in mind, but it got modernised into LSP
2018-04-24 00:34:30	alanz	and I am so impressed at how much stuff is happening now
2018-04-24 00:35:06	alanz	in terms of client support, language support, and protocol evolution
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2018-04-24 23:45:06	--	Notice(GitHub67): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vpZoz
2018-04-24 23:45:06	--	Notice(GitHub67): haskell-ide-engine/master 53a8b40 Alan Zimmerman: Switch to using submodules for external repos...
2018-04-24 23:45:06	--	Notice(GitHub67): haskell-ide-engine/master 1c009a6 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #526 from alanz/use-submodules...
2018-04-24 23:45:09	--	Notice(GitHub31): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #526: Switch to using submodules for external repos (master...use-submodules) https://git.io/vpvrP
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2018-04-25 00:01:35	gleachkr_	Getting a GHC panic in the logs while trying to run hie in a multi-package stack project.
2018-04-25 00:01:55	gleachkr_	2018-04-24 13:23:02.844578907 [ThreadId 5] - <--2--{"jsonrpc":"2.0","method":"window/logMessage","params":{"type":1,"message":"Got error while processing diagnostics: GHC panic! (the 'impossible' happened)\n  ghc-mod version 5.9.0.0\n  GHC library version 8.0.2 for x86_64-unknown-linux:\n       Dynamic linker not initialised\n\nPlease report this as a bug:
2018-04-25 00:01:58	gleachkr_	https://github.com/kazu-yamamoto/ghc-mod/issues"}}
2018-04-25 00:02:25	alanz	gleachkr_, can you build the project from the command line?
2018-04-25 00:03:00	gleachkr_	yes, `stack build` runs fine.
2018-04-25 00:04:29	alanz	is the project public?
2018-04-25 00:05:28	gleachkr_	Ugh. Sadly, I'm afraid not.
2018-04-25 00:05:59	gleachkr_	The stack.yaml is very simple:
2018-04-25 00:06:08	gleachkr_	resolver: lts-8.11
2018-04-25 00:06:09	gleachkr_	packages:
2018-04-25 00:06:11	gleachkr_	- gbp-server
2018-04-25 00:06:13	gleachkr_	- gbp-common
2018-04-25 00:06:15	gleachkr_	extra-deps: 
2018-04-25 00:06:17	gleachkr_	- aeson-1.1.1.0
2018-04-25 00:06:19	gleachkr_	- git: https://github.com/gleachkr/WebsocketPool
2018-04-25 00:06:21	gleachkr_	  commit: 6bb55b0c9d2f44e7646a32ec6049edef7d2f123d
2018-04-25 00:06:23	gleachkr_	flags: {}
2018-04-25 00:06:25	gleachkr_	extra-package-dbs: []
2018-04-25 00:06:31	shapr	gleachkr_: do you work at plow-tech?
2018-04-25 00:07:03	gleachkr_	Nope. Kansas State University.
2018-04-25 00:08:03	gleachkr_	Another project on the same machine, also with lts-8.11, works fine with hie.
2018-04-25 00:08:05	alanz	gleachkr_, I wonder if it is that ghc flags thing
2018-04-25 00:08:16	alanz	How did you install GHC?
2018-04-25 00:08:26	gleachkr_	via stack
2018-04-25 00:09:56	alanz	ok
2018-04-25 00:10:18	alanz	well, without more info, there is not much I can do
2018-04-25 00:11:57	gleachkr_	Same error without `flags: {}` fwiw.
2018-04-25 00:12:47	gleachkr_	Built hie 8.0.2 with nix, if that could potentially be a clue.
2018-04-25 00:13:13	gleachkr_	But, no worries, I understand. Thanks for the quick reply.
2018-04-25 00:13:26	alanz	nix means more complications
2018-04-25 00:13:37	alanz	Warranty void if nix used :)
2018-04-25 00:18:46	gleachkr_	Got it. I'll see if I can coax a build without it (needed it to get around libicuuc.so.60 missing - I appear to have libicuuc.so.61).
2018-04-25 00:23:02	alanz	maybe ask on the #nixos channel, some of the guys there use hie
2018-04-25 00:23:21	alanz	Are you using the domenkozar/hie repo to install it?
2018-04-25 00:23:56	shapr	alanz: did you choose the acronym 'hie'? It's wonderfully punny.
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2018-04-25 00:37:18	gleachkr_	Not using that - just enabling nix in the stack.yaml for hie.
2018-04-25 00:43:05	alanz	ok, its all outside my knowledge zone
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2018-04-25 01:47:20	gleachkr_	alanz: looks like it was nix. I worked around the icu issue by including an extra-dep on text-icu-0.7.0.1 in the stack.yaml for hie-8.0.2. Once I rebuilt in this way, it seems to work fine.
2018-04-25 01:47:32	alanz	great
2018-04-25 01:48:01	alanz	If you have a clear idea of the problem and solution, perhaps consider making a PR on the hie docs
2018-04-25 01:48:10	alanz	The next person is bound to hit the same problem
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2018-04-25 02:31:20	alanz	hexagoxel, how is GHC 8.4.2 support coming on in britanny?
2018-04-25 02:31:25	alanz	I mean brittany
2018-04-25 02:38:19	alanz	and cabal new-build comes up with a build plan for hie, if I (temporarily) comment out brittany 
2018-04-25 02:38:27	alanz	So it is the last blocker. Yay
2018-04-25 03:32:23	hexagoxel	alanz: ah, nice. brittany/master is ready for ghc-8.4, but there is a not-entirely-finished feature branch in the works currently (for IndentPolicyMultiple)
2018-04-25 03:33:39	hexagoxel	alanz: is next weekend ok?
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2018-04-25 12:07:20	alanz	hexagoxel, I will see how master works, this is experimental at the moment, so do it when you have time. We are also moving into a massive long weekend here
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2018-04-25 19:13:49	--	Notice(GitHub6): [haskell-ide-engine] liang-ting-chen opened pull request #535: Update README.md (master...master) https://git.io/vpcLa
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2018-04-25 21:02:43	wz1000	alanz: so... if my gsoc project pans out, hie might not need to bother about build systems and all the ghc-mod stuff
2018-04-25 21:02:56	wz1000	it could work like ghcid
2018-04-25 21:05:58	wz1000	call ghc(or whatever the user passes) in a loop repeatedly to generate .hie files and get diagnostics
2018-04-25 21:06:21	wz1000	and to answer queries just look up info from the .hie file
2018-04-25 21:06:49	wz1000	which means we would get stuff like support for new-build, nix, hpack, whatever essentially for free
2018-04-25 21:07:32	wz1000	all that would need to be done is to ensure that those tools pass --enable-ide-info or something to ghc
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2018-04-25 21:19:58	alanz	wz1000, sounds good to me
2018-04-25 21:20:27	alanz	ultimately all this stuff needs to be in GHC
2018-04-25 21:20:33	alanz	including the REPL
2018-04-25 21:20:48	alanz	And the 6 month release cycle will help too
2018-04-25 21:24:10	alanz	And it even more firmly establishes the dev environment as a first class citizen wrt the compiler
2018-04-25 21:24:33	alanz	dxld, see above conversation ^^^
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2018-04-26 02:13:51	alanz	If anyone is feeling brave, give https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/ghc-8.4 a try
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2018-04-26 02:17:50	--	Notice(GitHub94): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #536: [WIP] Ghc 8.4 (master...ghc-8.4) https://git.io/vpCk4
2018-04-26 02:19:42	wz1000	alanz: nice
2018-04-26 02:20:30	alanz	Need to give it some testing, then get the git deps onto hackage
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2018-04-26 02:23:08	wz1000	my laptops charger died. I can't build anything until I get a replacement
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2018-04-26 03:15:29	alanz	And it looks like I screwed up the ghc-mod submodule spec. Well fix it in the morning
2018-04-26 03:15:50	alanz	It should be against my repo on gh, not whatever is there
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2018-04-26 13:21:47	Tehnix	It is really nice with these GSoC projects to move the whole of haskell forward :slightly_smiling_face:
2018-04-26 13:22:00	alanz	Tehnix, I agree
2018-04-26 13:22:23	alanz	And that is the choice criteria, move the language as a whole forward
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2018-04-26 20:44:51	Franciman	Hi
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2018-04-26 22:26:51	dxld	wz1000: I think you're neglecting to take into account more complicated use cases. take as an example type aware completion. you have to do typechecking for each completion candidate wrt. to the surrounding environment. I don't want to implement that in the ide, i'd rather just use ghc. With your approach I can't do that.
2018-04-26 22:27:20	dxld	and generating completions for every possible location is rather expensive too ;)
2018-04-26 22:38:24	shapr	hi Franciman 
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2018-04-27 00:24:16	Franciman	are you planning to add support for source code indentation?
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2018-04-27 01:35:48	hexagoxel	Franciman: you mean all module elements being indented?
2018-04-27 01:36:51	Franciman	hexagoxel, hmm guess so. I mean, when I go to a newline the cursor gets indented
2018-04-27 01:43:15	hexagoxel	Franciman: ah, that's different from what i meant. i have no idea about that.
2018-04-27 01:43:26	Franciman	what did you mean?
2018-04-27 01:44:20	hexagoxel	module A where [all is indented by non-zero amount here]
2018-04-27 01:44:38	Franciman	ah!
2018-04-27 01:44:40	Franciman	I see
2018-04-27 01:45:44	hexagoxel	it is like for other "where"s after all, so it certainly is valid haskell, but brittany does not support this (yet).
2018-04-27 01:46:05	Franciman	looks cool
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2018-04-27 09:59:14	wz1000	dxld: yes, but atleast we will be able to provide a decent base level of functionality that works seamlessly no matter what your build system
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2018-04-27 10:01:17	wz1000	go-to definition, references, type at point, documenation of symbols etc.
2018-04-27 10:01:28	wz1000	mostly everything HIE can do today
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2018-04-28 02:10:15	--	Notice(GitHub45): [haskell-ide-engine] its-wednesday opened pull request #539: Fix README (master...master) https://git.io/vp8db
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2018-04-28 03:44:14	plugin	I'm looking for resources on the current status of haskell-lsp for nix projects, can anyone reccomend?
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2018-04-28 15:29:57	--	Notice(GitHub13): [haskell-ide-engine] AlexeyRaga opened pull request #541: Apply any hlint (master...PR-533-apply-hlint) https://git.io/vp4CN
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2018-04-29 02:06:53	imalison	wz1000: Hey, I've heard that you are working on some changes to ghc that would exporting a new type of file that would allow hie to much more information
2018-04-29 02:07:30	imalison	If there's any way I could help you out with that I'd love to do so
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2018-04-29 03:49:30	Rembane	Compiling HIE is an interesting experience. I think nix just downloaded Hackage and started compiling it.
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2018-04-29 13:18:56	--	Notice(GitHub13): haskell-ide-engine/master 2c60a2b Ma'or Kadosh: Fix README
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2018-04-30 13:12:46	wz1000	alanz: this requires your approval: https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/pull/8
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2018-04-30 18:39:15	alanz	wz1000, thanks, I know about that PR. And I guess I should merge it. Its just that the ghc-mod zone is a bit in flux at the moment, with the ghc-8.4 stuff coming.
2018-04-30 18:39:33	alanz	But I guess I should just merge it, and sort out my branch after
2018-04-30 18:44:41	wz1000	I think that PR is fairly self contained
2018-04-30 18:44:43	alanz	and I see it is rebased against my ghc-8.4 branch. GReat
2018-04-30 18:44:54	wz1000	i.e. it doeesn't touch most of the ghc-mod stuff
2018-04-30 19:04:24	alanz	I know. Ok, will merge, just getting my brain straight again. The trouble with taking a break
2018-04-30 19:12:21	alanz	and the new stack has decided it needs to re-download a local GHC copy. Lovely.
2018-04-30 19:12:55	alanz	luckily cabal new-build also exists
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2018-05-01 10:27:55	ddere	hey all is anyone using haskell-ide-engine with emacs?
2018-05-01 10:47:45	wz1000	ddere: I think alanz is
2018-05-01 10:48:11	ddere	oh ok :)
2018-05-01 10:48:35	ddere	is there a complete doco somewhere for setting it up with emacs?
2018-05-01 10:49:21	ddere	seems a little spread out at the moment, and theres some overlap in the readmes in lsp-haskell, lsp-mode etc.... i think
2018-05-01 10:49:37	ddere	wz1000: (thanks btw)
2018-05-01 10:51:30	ddere	I'm trying to run it on a ubuntu system without stack, (after building it using stack on another system), and I think i have resolved all the run time errors that were popping up because of all the dependencies on the .stack and .stack-work contents
2018-05-01 10:52:56	ddere	but im having trouble actually trying to see if it is actually  working as I dont know what keybindings lsp-haskell provides
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2018-05-01 14:53:53	alanz	dxld, leaving Cabal < 2 behind. See https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/commit/3cde2e8d4e50ea7daba295885a3c3b51bcd521e6
2018-05-01 14:56:10	alanz	hexagoxel, are you planning a new release of brittany some time? hie currently has to use it as a submodule
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2018-05-01 17:29:55	dxld	alanz: good, good
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2018-05-01 17:30:36	alanz	dxld, will be keen for a release of c-h and ghc-mod-core soonish
2018-05-01 17:31:07	alanz	btw, I just realised if we configure as "cabal configure --with-compiler=xxxx" then ghc-mod does not notice
2018-05-01 17:31:15	alanz	and uses the default ghc instead
2018-05-01 17:31:22	alanz	which means hie bails
2018-05-01 17:33:04	dxld	alanz: hmm, I don't think it's even possible to get at that value at compiletime
2018-05-01 17:33:46	alanz	I took a quick dig into dist, and there is a cabal-config-flags binary file, that has it
2018-05-01 17:33:56	dxld	I guess we could use __GLASGOW_HASKELL__ and check if the runtime ghc has the same version or something?
2018-05-01 17:34:23	dxld	oh you mean when a user project is configured using -w
2018-05-01 17:34:43	alanz	it seems the cabal-config-flags is just a set of NUL terminated strings, with the CLI args
2018-05-01 17:34:54	alanz	(for cabal 2.2 anyway)
2018-05-01 17:35:01	dxld	yeah that should be fairly straightforward to get out
2018-05-01 17:35:02	alanz	yes
2018-05-01 17:35:08	dxld	maybe cabal-helper already has it
2018-05-01 17:35:27	alanz	well, if it does it is not coming through, in my setup
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2018-05-01 17:36:11	dxld	nah there's only compiler-version
2018-05-01 17:36:24	dxld	I guess we have to add a thing to extract the path too
2018-05-01 17:36:36	dxld	what do we need that for though?
2018-05-01 17:36:56	dxld	the only part where the ghc executable is used in ghc-mod is to complie cabal-helper afaik
2018-05-01 17:37:40	dxld	so what exactly is breaking for you?
2018-05-01 17:38:02	alanz	well, I did a quick smoke-test for hie, configured a test project with default ghc, and ghc-mod runs. Configured with -w, ghc-mod no longer gives warnings
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2018-05-01 17:38:29	dxld	odd
2018-05-01 17:38:38	alanz	And it is probably the vscode hie version chooser, now I think of it
2018-05-01 17:38:49	alanz	so not a c-h/ghc-mod/hie problem at all
2018-05-01 17:38:59	dxld	actually when the versions don't match anything can happen
2018-05-01 17:39:14	dxld	since cabal does version gating for a bunch of commandline flags
2018-05-01 17:39:15	alanz	And if you are compiling with -w, you need to know how to specify hie version too, so not a problem actually
2018-05-01 17:39:29	alanz	yes, I misattributed the error. nvm
2018-05-01 17:39:50	dxld	what we need is a bail if the version doesn't match :)
2018-05-01 17:40:26	alanz	I know, there is a ticket for that, have not looked into it
2018-05-01 17:40:34	alanz	Been focusing on the big pieces so long
2018-05-01 17:41:02	alanz	And will be aiming for a GHC 8.4.2 support merge into hie master real soon now
2018-05-01 17:42:53	dxld	I don't have time in the next two days to prepare releases, fyi
2018-05-01 17:43:15	dxld	still have to get the CI for older ghc versions with newer cabals working again
2018-05-01 17:43:54	alanz	ok, so long as it is in your pipeline, no great rush at this stage
2018-05-01 17:44:07	alanz	Its not as if we have a deadline.
2018-05-01 17:44:27	alanz	But I am really keen to get hie into a stackage nightly some time
2018-05-01 17:45:12	alanz	But currently have 6 submodule, only 3 of which are in the c-h/ghc-mod chain
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2018-05-01 18:45:46	alanz	All, please take a look at/try out https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/536, for GHC 8.4 support
2018-05-01 18:51:43	alanz	wz1000, Lierdakil, Tehnix ^^
2018-05-01 18:52:56	wz1000	building now...
2018-05-01 18:55:11	wz1000	alanz: how do I use new-build to build hie?
2018-05-01 18:55:47	alanz	cabal new-build --enable-tests --with-compiler=ghc-8.0.2
2018-05-01 18:56:25	alanz	or "cabal new-configure --enable-tests --with-compiler=ghc-8.0.2", and then just "cabal new-build", or "cabal new-test"
2018-05-01 18:56:45	alanz	and use whatever compiler makes sense
2018-05-01 18:57:12	alanz	but first "cd submodules/cabal-helper && cabal install --with-compiler=xxx"
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2018-05-01 19:17:34	wz1000	alanz: I think it would be a good idea to update the readme with the new build instructions
2018-05-01 19:17:53	alanz	I agree, will do so
2018-05-01 19:18:21	alanz	And it struck me that anyone building a project using stack requiring GHC 8.0.2 will not be able to use hie on it
2018-05-01 19:19:04	alanz	And I think the thing to do is to make a clear branch for current master, and not in its README that it only supports up to GHC 8.2.2, and is unmaintained going forward
2018-05-01 19:41:11	wz1000	yeah
2018-05-01 19:41:31	wz1000	Just tried out hie with ghc-8.4 
2018-05-01 19:41:34	wz1000	seems to work
2018-05-01 19:41:45	alanz	for me too
2018-05-01 19:41:59	alanz	Its been a long path
2018-05-01 19:42:06	wz1000	yeah
2018-05-01 19:42:19	wz1000	thanks for doing all the hard work
2018-05-01 19:42:51	wz1000	when does 8.6 come out?
2018-05-01 19:43:03	alanz	too soon :(
2018-05-01 19:43:30	alanz	at least it lets us deprecate older ones faster, with the 3 release rule
2018-05-01 19:43:50	wz1000	yeah
2018-05-01 19:44:20	alanz	I am pretty sure we will settle into something like the Ubuntu cycle, LTS every 2 years, october release is a kind of preview
2018-05-01 19:45:00	wz1000	it might be a good idea to make a Changelog/Annoucements file in HIE that keeps track of this kind of stuff
2018-05-01 19:45:19	alanz	BTW, if you are happy with https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/78 I will merge it. Nothing uncontroversial, just matching HIE
2018-05-01 19:45:41	alanz	yes, but only when that cycle happens
2018-05-01 19:46:00	alanz	I just imagine it will, need to see how it turns out.
2018-05-01 19:46:17	alanz	otherwise the library/tooling support is going to go crazy
2018-05-01 19:46:28	wz1000	yup, looks good
2018-05-01 19:46:38	 *	alanz another reason to move as much of this stuff into GHC as possible
2018-05-01 19:46:42	alanz	thanks, will merge
2018-05-01 19:49:12	alanz	now to work on that VFS bug. https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/538
2018-05-01 19:49:25	alanz	something changed in vscode
2018-05-01 19:50:47	wz1000	i hope it's not some kind of race condition in hie
2018-05-01 19:51:03	wz1000	shouldn't be because the vfs stuff is handled by haskell-lsp
2018-05-01 19:52:08	alanz	I am starting at VFS, seems the obvious place
2018-05-01 19:53:05	alanz	and I just split out the TH so I can work faster. https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/tree/split-types-out
2018-05-01 19:53:32	alanz	will PR it once the tests pass
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2018-05-01 20:12:51	wz1000	it might be a good idea to make CI upload HIE binaries somewhere
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2018-05-01 21:04:01	alanz	wz1000, yes, but we need to set it up. PRs welcome
2018-05-01 21:14:15	wz1000	more importantly, we need somewhere to host it
2018-05-01 21:15:39	alanz	good point.
2018-05-01 21:15:50	alanz	Maybe haskell.org can help out
2018-05-01 21:17:07	wz1000	i guess we can use github releases
2018-05-01 21:17:28	wz1000	https://help.github.com/articles/creating-releases/
2018-05-01 21:19:19	alanz	I think circleci can upload stuff too. And I know ndm is doing something like this for hlint. We should perhaps look at his setup
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2018-05-02 02:40:38	alanz	so, the new haskell-lsp filePathToUri and uriToFilePath are not roundtrippable on linux for "file://./FuncTest.hs"
2018-05-02 02:41:36	alanz	And the solution is probably to fix the tests to use full absolute path URIs
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2018-05-02 03:24:21	lukelau	How can you check the logs of the server launched by vscode-hie-server?
2018-05-02 03:29:31	alanz	lukelau, turn on verbose via the settings, I think
2018-05-02 03:30:46	lukelau	I have that turned on, is it suppoed to show up in the Haskell HIE (haskell-ide-engine) tab in the output panel?
2018-05-02 03:32:08	alanz	no, it shows up in /tmp/hie.log
2018-05-02 03:32:10	alanz	I think
2018-05-02 03:32:30	lukelau	Perfect, thanks!
2018-05-02 03:33:20	alanz	but look in the source for https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server, Tehnix has been running with it, I have lost track of the current state of things
2018-05-02 03:33:45	alanz	It also depends on whether you have the wrapper enabled or not, I think
2018-05-02 03:34:26	alanz	And I have basically done the split out of the types, just making sure the hie tests pass, which is a bit fiddly, then will aim at merging
2018-05-02 03:34:43	alanz	But I need to go to bed now, work in the morning, midnight here
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2018-05-02 04:13:17	lukelau	alanz I’m building that branch at the moment, will try to run the hie tests with it. Night!
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2018-05-02 12:11:00	wz1000	alanz: where does the debugm output go?
2018-05-02 12:12:09	alanz	wz1000, into the hie log, I think
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2018-05-02 12:22:38	wz1000	yeah, it does.
2018-05-02 12:22:59	wz1000	I didn't have the dflag on
2018-05-02 12:23:11	wz1000	s/dflag/-d flag/g
2018-05-02 12:23:29	wz1000	because I was editing the wrong hie-vscode.sh
2018-05-02 12:30:40	alanz	ok. That is supposed to be a setting in vscode, but I am not sure if the wrappers are processing it properly
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2018-05-02 12:41:01	wz1000	alanz: does out of sync text happen on emacs too?
2018-05-02 12:41:51	alanz	I have not seen it, but have not been able to use emacs-lsp much recently, been working on ghc and ghc 8.4.2 support in hie
2018-05-02 12:42:47	alanz	I am pretty sure the problem is specific to vscode, and the simplest might be to roll back to an earlier lsp client library for the vscode extension
2018-05-02 12:42:50	alanz	guessing ...
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2018-05-02 12:51:36	alanz	wz1000, I intend doing some day-job stuff today, that will use emacs-lsp
2018-05-02 12:52:35	wz1000	nice
2018-05-02 12:55:15	alanz	and I will update my resolver to to use GHC 8.4.2, may as well give it a proper spin too
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2018-05-02 19:32:48	--	Notice(GitHub149): [haskell-ide-engine] clintonmead opened pull request #544: Add 'build-docs' action to Makefile that builds haddock docs (master...master) https://git.io/vpzOu
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2018-05-02 19:59:21	--	Notice(GitHub90): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #544: Add 'build-docs' action to Makefile that builds haddock docs (master...master) https://git.io/vpzOu
2018-05-02 19:59:25	--	Notice(GitHub24): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vpzZt
2018-05-02 19:59:26	--	Notice(GitHub24): haskell-ide-engine/master ad7ccff Clinton Mead: Add 'build-docs' action to Makefile that builds haddock docs
2018-05-02 19:59:26	--	Notice(GitHub24): haskell-ide-engine/master afb99e6 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #544 from clintonmead/master...
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2018-05-02 21:12:09	--	Notice(GitHub69): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #545: Update for haskell-lsp 0.2.1.0 (master...haskell-lsp-0.2.1) https://git.io/vpz0t
2018-05-02 22:24:14	hexagoxel	alanz: brittany-0.11 is finally released. should i remove the submodule from hie?
2018-05-02 23:04:45	alanz	hexagoxel, as you like, but there are 2 merges pending, will have to jump into the queue
2018-05-02 23:35:36	alanz	hexagoxel, I am working in to my 2 PRs
2018-05-02 23:35:57	hexagoxel	hie is still compiling on my end anyways
2018-05-02 23:36:21	hexagoxel	(stupid new-build haddock issues interrupting it)
2018-05-02 23:36:48	alanz	ok
2018-05-02 23:37:03	alanz	Are you using cabal-install 2.2?
2018-05-02 23:37:12	alanz	It builds fine for me with that
2018-05-02 23:37:27	alanz	But currently using stack, for the PR
2018-05-02 23:37:38	hexagoxel	i am using.. 2.3? i am not sure, it is built from source.
2018-05-02 23:38:47	alanz	ok, I am using the one from stackage, works fine
2018-05-02 23:38:52	hexagoxel	but really, brittany-0.11 should just work. there are no changes to the library interface between master you used and 0.11.
2018-05-02 23:39:17	alanz	Is this correct? "showErr (ErrorMacroConfig  s _) = s" using the first, not second field
2018-05-02 23:39:25	hexagoxel	so its just a matter of deleting the submodule (and perhaps changing the bounds, or the stack.yaml setup)
2018-05-02 23:39:43	alanz	yes, for the GHC 8.4 version
2018-05-02 23:39:59	alanz	but I want to do a last one for GHC 8.0.2 as well
2018-05-02 23:41:18	hexagoxel	https://github.com/lspitzner/brittany/blob/master/src-brittany/Main.hs#L316
2018-05-02 23:43:28	hexagoxel	so the second argument is the inline-config string for which the parsing failed.
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2018-05-02 23:48:23	hexagoxel	alanz: i have not tested how understandable the errors are, but it probably would not hurt to include the second argument as well.
2018-05-02 23:48:36	alanz	ok
2018-05-02 23:48:44	alanz	just concatenate them?
2018-05-02 23:49:12	hexagoxel	something similar to what Main.hs does. what i linked.
2018-05-02 23:49:27	 *	alanz looking
2018-05-02 23:50:41	hexagoxel	makes me wonder if all errors should just include a canonical string representation.
2018-05-02 23:52:16	hexagoxel	alanz: one different question that came to my mind recently: is using pattern synonyms for (GHC API) version compat stuff a clever idea?
2018-05-02 23:53:03	alanz	It is up to you. I prefer things being what they are, so tend to use it straight.
2018-05-02 23:53:40	hexagoxel	yeah the downside is that i currently have #ifs in the middle of some large pattern-matches on syntax nodes
2018-05-02 23:54:39	hexagoxel	and with pattern synonyms i could have #if ghc84   pattern ..; #else  pattern ..; #endif
2018-05-02 23:54:58	hexagoxel	and then have the actual pattern-match code be free of any CPP.
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2018-05-02 23:55:27	alanz	I know. It is up to you. Personally I will not do that, but that is my bias.
2018-05-02 23:56:09	alanz	maybe I have been bitten too many times by unexpected layers of indirection.
2018-05-02 23:57:37	sclv	have you tried fixing that with more layers of indirection
2018-05-02 23:57:52	 *	hexagoxel looks at how ghc-exactprint handles the GHC API changes
2018-05-02 23:58:07	hexagoxel	its just different versions of Annotater.hs, right?
2018-05-02 23:58:12	alanz	sclv, turtles all the way down
2018-05-02 23:58:32	alanz	hexagoxel, yes, and the src dir is set in the cabal file per GHC version
2018-05-03 00:01:07	hexagoxel	also avoids CPP, which is neat. well, thanks for the input.
2018-05-03 00:02:36	alanz	yes, I like it, I must say. Not sure who suggested it to me
2018-05-03 00:02:43	alanz	probably hvr
2018-05-03 00:11:56	hexagoxel	yeah it makes a lot of sense for a stable interface (the `Annotate` class semantics, in this case)
2018-05-03 00:16:24	alanz	hexagoxel, see https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/commit/42263d6cdbe20737a3b4beb254b8d751b87ada2e
2018-05-03 00:18:47	hexagoxel	"Error: parse error in inline configuration:"
2018-05-03 00:18:57	hexagoxel	maybe space at end, if you don't use newlines?
2018-05-03 00:19:56	hexagoxel	alanz: you might need data-tree-print-0.1.0.1
2018-05-03 00:20:29	alanz	ok
2018-05-03 00:20:47	alanz	it builds fine, should I update it anyway? In the cabal file?
2018-05-03 00:22:56	alanz	hexagoxel, ^^
2018-05-03 00:22:57	hexagoxel	with ghc-8.4? are you sure?
2018-05-03 00:23:11	hexagoxel	update it regardless
2018-05-03 00:23:18	alanz	this is the GHC 8.2 version, going to do the 8.4 next
2018-05-03 00:23:22	alanz	2 PRs in flight ...
2018-05-03 00:23:44	alanz	And I just landed haskell-lsp, anyone building hie master will get a build fail now ...
2018-05-03 00:23:44	hexagoxel	yeah 0.1.0.1 is for ghc-8.4 compat, and will work with ghc-*
2018-05-03 00:23:50	alanz	ok
2018-05-03 00:28:29	alanz	and I need to wait for hackage/stackage to mirrot
2018-05-03 00:28:32	alanz	mirror
2018-05-03 00:30:37	 *	hexagoxel was just preparing the PR to add brittany back to stackage
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2018-05-03 00:50:36	alanz	hexagoxel, sounds good
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2018-05-03 01:48:03	alanz	Ok, time to push the button on the updated haskell-lsp for hie master
2018-05-03 01:48:26	--	Notice(GitHub141): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #545: Update for haskell-lsp 0.2.1.0 (master...haskell-lsp-0.2.1) https://git.io/vpz0t
2018-05-03 01:48:27	--	Notice(GitHub181): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/vpzxv
2018-05-03 01:48:27	--	Notice(GitHub181): haskell-ide-engine/master 379ed18 Alan Zimmerman: Update for haskell-lsp 0.2.1.0
2018-05-03 01:48:27	--	Notice(GitHub181): haskell-ide-engine/master c416df5 Alan Zimmerman: Update stack files for new deps
2018-05-03 01:48:27	--	Notice(GitHub181): haskell-ide-engine/master 42263d6 Alan Zimmerman: Bring in brittany 0.11
2018-05-03 01:48:37	alanz	which should kill the bugs to do with windows URIs being bad
2018-05-03 01:58:30	--	Notice(GitHub129): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz created hie-0.1.0.0 from master (+0 new commits): https://git.io/vpzpk
2018-05-03 01:58:40	--	Notice(GitHub48): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz tagged hie-0.1.0.0 at 68760d6: https://git.io/vpzpk
2018-05-03 02:00:47	alanz	one more CI cycle, then we have GHC 8.4 support in master
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2018-05-03 03:12:47	--	Notice(GitHub17): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #536: GHC 8.4 support (master...ghc-8.4) https://git.io/vpCk4
2018-05-03 03:12:49	--	Notice(GitHub199): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 27 new commits to master: https://git.io/vpgTy
2018-05-03 03:12:49	--	Notice(GitHub199): haskell-ide-engine/master 562ac94 Alan Zimmerman: Bump to LTS 11.6
2018-05-03 03:12:49	--	Notice(GitHub199): haskell-ide-engine/master a634a03 Alan Zimmerman: Bringing in GHC 8.4.2 support
2018-05-03 03:12:49	--	Notice(GitHub199): haskell-ide-engine/master c5b5d7c Alan Zimmerman: Merge branch 'master' into ghc-8.4
2018-05-03 03:21:42	--	Notice(GitHub176): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vpgkQ
2018-05-03 03:21:43	--	Notice(GitHub176): haskell-ide-engine/master a57422b Alan Zimmerman: Update Readme with warning about cabal-version: >= 2.0
2018-05-03 03:22:26	alanz	dxld: does this make sense, in terms of the cabal-version: >= 2.0 problem. https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/commit/a57422bc99e74541aa2a9209e1e95686c1f6c2f8
2018-05-03 03:22:40	 *	alanz going to bed, will look in the morning
2018-05-03 03:25:14	dxld	alanz: that makes absolutely no sense to me
2018-05-03 03:25:39	dxld	it has nothing to do with the cabal-version a users' project is using..
2018-05-03 03:25:47	dxld	I don't know how you got that idea
2018-05-03 03:26:43	dxld	The only thing users have to be converned about is using a recent enough version of cabal-install to support setup-depends
2018-05-03 03:27:29	dxld	I think that would be cabal-install>=1.24
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2018-05-03 03:33:40	dzdcnfzd	Hey guys. I was trying to figure out about the development state of ghc-mod and people in #haskell directed me here. Is this where I should be directing my efforts if I want to do new development? 
2018-05-03 03:45:34	dxld	dzdcnfzd: If you're specifically interrested in ghc-mod, there's #ghc-mod also. What in particular are you interested in?
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2018-05-03 04:04:29	dzdcnfzd	dxld: well, honestly, I just want good IDE support for haskell, which I've never been able to get due to ghc-mod issues
2018-05-03 04:05:01	dzdcnfzd	I went to ask about ghc-mod so that I could work on fixing broken stuff myself, but now I look at the project it seems dead
2018-05-03 04:12:15	dxld	dzdcnfzd: it's not dead, just sleeping :)
2018-05-03 04:18:30	dxld	I do thend to respond to issues in a timely'ish manner, but unfortunately we do have a severe shortage of people that want to fix stuff
2018-05-03 04:21:39	dxld	dzdcnfzd: anyways, I'd be happy to help you debug and fix stuff :)
2018-05-03 04:24:46	dxld	ah just found the backlog in #haskell, to answer the questions: yes ghc-mod is still maintained, hie actually uses ghc-mod
2018-05-03 04:26:28	dxld	if you want to develop a new development tool that people can actually use you want to integrate with hie for sure, we're working on deprecating the editor/ide facing part of ghc-mod in favor of hie and factoring out the more maintainable parts
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2018-05-03 04:27:15	dxld	but it's still there at the core to do ghc session setup and whatnot
2018-05-03 04:27:23	dxld	..ghc-mod that is
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2018-05-03 07:10:55	lukelau	Has anyone used HIE on the HIE repository itself?
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2018-05-03 14:33:33	alanz	dxld, I just noticed your reply now, been doing other stuff. So I can remove that stuff about the project being developed
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2018-05-03 19:26:12	sclv	wz1000: hope your finals went well! just pinging about starting on a wiki page or otherwise vis a vis community bonding and gsoc?
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2018-05-04 01:48:43	dpren	alanz: I think I want to use haskell-lsp for an Elm language server I'm building. Is it ready for general use? Are you aware of anyone else using it?
2018-05-04 01:49:22	alanz	dpren, I think there are a couple of people using it, but I am not sure how public all the projects are
2018-05-04 01:49:32	alanz	So I would say that it is
2018-05-04 01:49:39	alanz	and the more use the better
2018-05-04 01:50:24	alanz	Also, lukelau is doing a GSOC project to put some test infrastructure in place, for LSP servers, based on haskell-lsp
2018-05-04 01:53:44	alanz	Only one publically visible user: http://packdeps.haskellers.com/reverse/haskell-lsp
2018-05-04 01:53:55	alanz	but then hie is not on hackage either :)
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2018-05-04 02:17:56	dpren	Nice. Well I'll go for it. I love that all this busy-work is already done and I can hit the ground running.
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2018-05-04 02:40:15	alanz	dpren, that's the whole point of LSP. Reuse as much as possible
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2018-05-04 02:52:17	shapr	I wish LSP did more
2018-05-04 02:52:39	alanz	well, I am sure it will grow in time.
2018-05-04 02:52:50	alanz	It *is* extensible, and still early days
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2018-05-04 02:52:59	alanz	Getting the basics into place first
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2018-05-04 04:06:15	infinisil	Alright so I've now been coding a bit with hie working, finally, using stack all the time now
2018-05-04 04:06:50	infinisil	But, should I expect it to be super laggy when working on a big file?
2018-05-04 04:07:18	infinisil	It's unbearably slow for my file which is 300 lines with a lot of full imports at the top
2018-05-04 04:07:42	lukelau_	What client are you using?
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2018-05-04 05:05:15	infinisil	Oh, I think it's the autocompletion, which gets triggered for any character, and it will have to list all possible completions everytime, which are a lot because I have many full imports
2018-05-04 05:05:20	infinisil	lukelau: emacs
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2018-05-04 06:35:53	dpren	infinisil: Yeah it's probably too many unqualified imports. I'm not sure of the time complexity on the fuzzy algorithm. I just grabbed something simple off hackage.
2018-05-04 06:36:22	infinisil	It's not even a fuzzy one
2018-05-04 06:40:21	dpren	The definition of fuzzy is fuzzy to me
2018-05-04 06:41:05	infinisil	The matcher there just does a prefix comparison
2018-05-04 06:41:33	infinisil	So "ace" would not match "abcde", only "a" or "ab"
2018-05-04 06:41:37	infinisil	"ac" i mean
2018-05-04 06:42:01	dpren	Hm that doesnt sound right 
2018-05-04 06:42:11	infinisil	Company mode is that
2018-05-04 06:43:05	dpren	not an emacs guy sry
2018-05-04 06:43:32	infinisil	No problem, I think I'll just try to minimize my imports a bit
2018-05-04 06:51:58	dpren	Another optimization I didn't get to was caching the completions on file open. It currently wont cache the imports until the first edit :p
2018-05-04 07:41:04	infinisil	Oh yeah that would be nice
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2018-05-04 11:54:04	wz1000	sclv, bgamari, alanz: how does this look? https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/HIEFiles
2018-05-04 11:55:57	alanz	wz1000, will take a look
2018-05-04 11:56:15	alanz	I love the name
2018-05-04 11:56:24	alanz	.hi extended
2018-05-04 11:56:38	wz1000	alanz: could I use Trees that Grow to represent the AST?
2018-05-04 11:57:28	alanz	wz1000, one of my goals in the near future is to start using TTG to capture at least extra info for ParsedSource
2018-05-04 11:57:59	wz1000	I basically need something like the Exactprint AST, but with types attached for Names
2018-05-04 11:58:08	alanz	So it should be possible. We still need to work out the mechanics of interfacing it into the processing pipeline, to keep the overall types lined up
2018-05-04 11:58:34	alanz	That sounds good
2018-05-04 11:59:18	alanz	wz1000, there will be a space and time penalty for compiling this way
2018-05-04 11:59:43	alanz	And I imagine the benefit is if *everything* is installed using this.
2018-05-04 12:00:11	alanz	But I guess it is an alternative to haddock, which has a huge running time already
2018-05-04 12:00:59	alanz	And I am not sure that explicitly storing the token is necessary
2018-05-04 12:01:56	alanz	wz1000, it might be worth (re)looking at that video on the design of roslyn, to see the kind of info they are storing, and general approach.  That kind of thing is my long term goal
2018-05-04 12:02:51	alanz	Also, spitting it out after typechecking. Will there be any partial writes if compilation fails?
2018-05-04 12:07:26	wz1000	I don't think so, atleast not yet. Because the renaming/typechecking are tied together
2018-05-04 12:09:25	wz1000	for live editing, i was imagining HIE keeps track of the difference between the current file and the last "good" file, like it does now
2018-05-04 12:09:45	wz1000	and uses that difference to compute the correct positions in the old file
2018-05-04 12:10:24	wz1000	this is also why I want to recover the exact source from the .hie file
2018-05-04 12:10:48	wz1000	So that we can know exactly which source generted that file
2018-05-04 12:10:59	wz1000	*generated
2018-05-04 12:11:42	wz1000	and then HIE can diff the current file and the source recovered from the .hie file
2018-05-04 12:16:58	alanz	I agree. Basically the .hie files get used for the library stuff, and already compiled things
2018-05-04 12:18:04	alanz	BTW, you may find it useful to look at fpco/haskell-ide, they have a data format that they pull out via GHC compile hooks and serialise
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2018-05-04 14:47:11	--	Notice(GitHub80): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #546: Dignostic relatedInformation is optional in LSP (master...optional-related-info) https://git.io/vpaFz
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2018-05-04 15:45:39	--	Notice(GitHub137): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vpajU
2018-05-04 15:45:39	--	Notice(GitHub137): haskell-ide-engine/master 46c3bb6 Alan Zimmerman: Dignostic relatedInformation is optional in LSP
2018-05-04 15:45:39	--	Notice(GitHub137): haskell-ide-engine/master ff99f81 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #546 from alanz/optional-related-info...
2018-05-04 15:45:41	--	Notice(GitHub32): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #546: Dignostic relatedInformation is optional in LSP (master...optional-related-info) https://git.io/vpaFz
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2018-05-04 23:10:30	sclv	wz1000: notes en passant
2018-05-04 23:10:36	sclv	".hie files are a proposed new filetype that should be written by GHC next to .hi files." --> "can be written"
2018-05-04 23:11:42	sclv	can you expand on "It will be similar to [RichToken] format consumed by haddocks hyperlinker, but structured like a tree to accurately represent the Haskell AST as tooling like haskell-ide-engine might require more detailed information about source structure, like parent/sibling/child nodes in the AST" a bit more
2018-05-04 23:11:52	sclv	maybe link to the format
2018-05-04 23:12:40	sclv	"It should be possible to exactly recover the source from the .hie file" -- i.e. include sourcespan info?
2018-05-04 23:12:46	sclv	& comments?
2018-05-04 23:12:51	sclv	like how exact is exact
2018-05-04 23:13:14	wz1000	to the byte exact, ideally
2018-05-04 23:13:25	alanz	sclv, I expect exact in the ghc-exactprint sense
2018-05-04 23:13:45	sclv	wz1000: ok you should expand on the idea for how to do that
2018-05-04 23:13:49	sclv	also, you should motivate it
2018-05-04 23:13:54	alanz	wz1000, include dead whitespace? Trailing blanks, etc
2018-05-04 23:13:57	wz1000	I did
2018-05-04 23:13:58	sclv	vis a vis serialise, note the dep footprint is a bit heavy
2018-05-04 23:14:24	sclv	if we pull it into ghc deps we probably want to split into serialise-core with the core stuff and serialise on top or something
2018-05-04 23:14:26	wz1000	there is a section on why it needs to be exact
2018-05-04 23:14:41	sclv	ok, sorry. responding as i read through :-)
2018-05-04 23:15:16	sclv	"The file will be generated as soon as GHC is done typechecking a file(maybe in ​hscIncrementalCompile?)" -- why not at the same point it writes hi files? is this because we don't want the data to linger that long?
2018-05-04 23:15:23	sclv	or _is_ that the same point?
2018-05-04 23:15:29	wz1000	it is, I think
2018-05-04 23:15:49	wz1000	hi files are also written by hscIncrementalCompile
2018-05-04 23:15:56	sclv	cool
2018-05-04 23:16:04	sclv	ok, i disagree with the motivation on keeping exact source recoverable
2018-05-04 23:16:11	sclv	it should be fine to include some sourcespan info
2018-05-04 23:16:22	sclv	if external tooling wants to keep the exact prior file around
2018-05-04 23:16:24	sclv	it can just do that
2018-05-04 23:16:25	sclv	as you note
2018-05-04 23:16:32	sclv	it seems scope creep to force that into the external file
2018-05-04 23:16:46	sclv	we should put in hie files stuff its hard for external tooling to handle, not stuff that its easy for it to handle :-P
2018-05-04 23:17:57	wz1000	recovering the exact source is mainly a way of "versioning" the hie file
2018-05-04 23:18:43	sclv	i don't understand?
2018-05-04 23:18:52	sclv	how about we just store a hash of the source :-P
2018-05-04 23:19:25	wz1000	if there is a non-compiling .hs file on disk, along with a .hie file, external tooling doesn't know how the .hie file relates to the .hs file
2018-05-04 23:19:38	sclv	it can keep track
2018-05-04 23:19:44	sclv	that's my point
2018-05-04 23:20:03	sclv	it should store the source with the hie file on a successful compile
2018-05-04 23:20:17	sclv	and then when there's a failing compile it can use them together
2018-05-04 23:20:19	wz1000	then it has to be running constantly, and all your edits have to be made via that external tool
2018-05-04 23:20:48	sclv	ok here's another proposal
2018-05-04 23:20:55	sclv	we just annotate the main hie stuff with sourcespans
2018-05-04 23:21:04	sclv	but also just actually append the literal source to hie
2018-05-04 23:21:12	sclv	(unless that's how exactprint does it already?)
2018-05-04 23:21:19	sclv	i.e. i don't want to interleave the hie information and the source
2018-05-04 23:21:22	sclv	because its tricky
2018-05-04 23:21:26	wz1000	no, exactprint interleaves it
2018-05-04 23:21:43	sclv	ok, so consider my suggestion at least
2018-05-04 23:21:56	sclv	its sort of a "sourcemap" approach
2018-05-04 23:22:04	wz1000	hmm, sounds reasonable
2018-05-04 23:23:49	wz1000	but the exactprint approach already works
2018-05-04 23:23:59	wz1000	I think we could repurpose that
2018-05-04 23:26:09	sclv	it seems rather complicated to me, and it sounds to me like more that we'll be calcing out a fully exact-printified ghc ast rather than anything simpler
2018-05-04 23:26:22	sclv	which makes making use of the data if you're not interested in the full source info quite hard
2018-05-04 23:27:44	wz1000	ok, your approach makes sense
2018-05-04 23:28:11	sclv	its simpler, so we can try it first and see if it runs into obstacles :-)
2018-05-04 23:28:22	wz1000	yeah
2018-05-04 23:30:10	sclv	btw reading the scrollback with alanz it seems to me more that we _won't_ mainly want to compile with this?
2018-05-04 23:30:16	sclv	like we would in the case of haddock etc
2018-05-04 23:30:20	alanz	wz1000, technically ghc-exactprint just keeps the annotations, and relies on the SrcSpans, and literals in the AST to be able to reporduce it
2018-05-04 23:30:37	wz1000	sclv: hmm?
2018-05-04 23:30:54	sclv	hrm
2018-05-04 23:30:55	alanz	sclv, I think we should, via a flag, as an alternative to haddock
2018-05-04 23:30:58	sclv	not sure actually
2018-05-04 23:30:58	alanz	or supplement
2018-05-04 23:31:04	sclv	alanz: right, supplement, not alternative
2018-05-04 23:31:14	sclv	actually, just trying to imagine flows
2018-05-04 23:31:17	alanz	If you are just compiling to build say an exe, you don't care
2018-05-04 23:31:21	sclv	like -- i could see hie or haddock using it
2018-05-04 23:31:28	alanz	if you are intending to develop, you will want it
2018-05-04 23:31:39	sclv	but for my purposes i'd be interested with using it on _the package i'm developing_
2018-05-04 23:31:51	alanz	and the tooling env should be able to compile with it enabled as required
2018-05-04 23:31:56	sclv	i'm less certain how much i'd want it on all the libs i rely on
2018-05-04 23:32:01	sclv	that's what i'm getting at
2018-05-04 23:32:29	wz1000	sclv: yeah, the main usecase would be the IDE using it for the files you are editing
2018-05-04 23:32:34	alanz	But I think it is agnostic to that. If it is used for the dev package, you get info throughout your project
2018-05-04 23:32:47	alanz	but there is nothing stopping you from using it on the installed libs
2018-05-04 23:32:57	alanz	And I can see myself installing most stuff that way
2018-05-04 23:33:06	wz1000	but to generated haddocks --hyperlinked-source for libs, you would need to compile your libs with hie output enabled
2018-05-04 23:33:17	alanz	Its a bit like compiling with profiling, or installing haddocks
2018-05-04 23:33:18	sclv	fair enough
2018-05-04 23:33:22	sclv	so you might as well keep 'em around
2018-05-04 23:33:50	alanz	and, we should probably make binary caches available of them, eventually
2018-05-04 23:34:07	sclv	right -- that's future work
2018-05-04 23:34:12	alanz	agree
2018-05-04 23:34:26	sclv	ok, so that's the key thing -- we could see tossing these in the store, etc with hi files
2018-05-04 23:34:34	sclv	but there's no reason to do that integration this summer
2018-05-04 23:34:41	sclv	just producing and making use of them is a victory enough
2018-05-04 23:35:32	alanz	I think gettin some minimal set of useful info plumbed in will be a good start
2018-05-04 23:35:42	alanz	with an explicit format version in the file
2018-05-04 23:35:43	sclv	ok, so maybe wait a bit for feedback from ben and joachim, and then incorporate it all and this is probably close to something that could be shared and discussed more broadly
2018-05-04 23:36:00	sclv	alanz: oh, good point -- like the file should indicate the ghc version
2018-05-04 23:36:12	sclv	that should be added if its not in the wiki page
2018-05-04 23:36:59	alanz	in my opinion it should start with a simple text delimiter giving vital stats, then the rest
2018-05-04 23:37:14	sclv	or maybe we even want a distinct hie format and not just ghc version
2018-05-04 23:37:18	sclv	but we could decide that later
2018-05-04 23:37:35	sclv	like -- one advantage of not actually interleaving with ast is it can migrate more slowly
2018-05-04 23:37:37	alanz	e.g. (v1.0,GHC8.4.6,Foo.hs,2018-05-04-13:45:56)
2018-05-04 23:37:40	alanz	or something
2018-05-04 23:38:02	alanz	where the first field is the hie file format version
2018-05-04 23:38:24	alanz	but probably no timestamp, for repeatable builds ...
2018-05-04 23:38:30	sclv	right
2018-05-04 23:38:54	alanz	key point being you can look at the head of the file and know what it is
2018-05-04 23:38:55	wz1000	As an initial step I was planning to edit the data structure used by --hyperlinked-source into what we need
2018-05-04 23:39:02	alanz	not some garbled binary thing
2018-05-04 23:39:03	sclv	right
2018-05-04 23:39:19	sclv	alanz: ok, so the format is text string, newline, cbor junk
2018-05-04 23:39:26	alanz	yes
2018-05-04 23:42:56	wz1000	I'm going to turn in for the night
2018-05-04 23:44:05	sclv	cool. cheers
2018-05-04 23:44:09	sclv	good start
2018-05-04 23:44:24	alanz	wz1000, good night. Looking forward to this one
2018-05-04 23:44:44	wz1000	good night.
2018-05-04 23:49:51	bgamari	wz1000, one concern is the size of the type information
2018-05-04 23:50:09	bgamari	wz1000, especially in type-class heavy programs, types can get quite large
2018-05-04 23:50:21	bgamari	and repetitive
2018-05-04 23:50:36	bgamari	so serialising each Name's entire type may be problematic
2018-05-04 23:50:44	bgamari	especially for pseudo-interactive use
2018-05-04 23:52:28	bgamari	One way to manage this would be to deduplicate type sub-trees
2018-05-05 00:00:48	alanz	bgamari, we also only need UI presentable types
2018-05-05 00:00:58	alanz	so could maybe trim the full detail a bit
2018-05-05 00:01:04	alanz	(I think)
2018-05-05 00:01:36	bgamari	hmm, I don't know
2018-05-05 00:02:12	bgamari	I can easily envision cases where having partial types would present significant problems
2018-05-05 00:02:30	bgamari	or result in visibly flaky behavior
2018-05-05 00:02:41	alanz	ok, I'm just thinking aloud.
2018-05-05 00:02:47	bgamari	e.g. type-driven autocompletion
2018-05-05 00:02:49	alanz	"visibly flaky behaviour"
2018-05-05 00:02:58	alanz	ok
2018-05-05 00:02:58	bgamari	or maybe that's not an application we are targetting here
2018-05-05 00:03:23	bgamari	I think it would be very useful to start by writing down a set of concrete use-cases we are designing towards
2018-05-05 00:03:34	alanz	Agree.
2018-05-05 00:03:49	alanz	And I see this as an evolutionary process
2018-05-05 00:04:10	alanz	and best to get a small set of use cases working well, all the way through into the tools
2018-05-05 00:04:23	alanz	and then reflect, and take the next step
2018-05-05 00:04:27	bgamari	right
2018-05-05 00:05:20	alanz	But wz1000 has a good understanding of the problem domain, so I think he has some concrete ideas, and we should perhaps step back and let him to it
2018-05-05 00:05:32	alanz	There is some inherent exploration involved
2018-05-05 00:05:44	bgamari	sure
2018-05-05 00:05:54	alanz	i.e. aim for a midsummer concrete plan for discussion
2018-05-05 00:06:07	alanz	rather than trying to do too much up front
2018-05-05 00:07:59	sclv	i agree about the duplication
2018-05-05 00:08:45	sclv	an easy thing to do is to give each type an id
2018-05-05 00:08:53	sclv	and then refer to them by id throughout the rest
2018-05-05 00:09:10	sclv	i don't think you'd need to actually share subtrees of type info
2018-05-05 00:09:15	sclv	at first
2018-05-05 00:09:33	sclv	just sharing exact-same types might be a sufficient win
2018-05-05 00:10:34	alanz	sclv, agree. I think there are some serialisation engines that can do that
2018-05-05 00:10:35	wz1000	so instead of annotating each name with a type, we have a table of every unique type that occurs, and then the name points to a type in that table?
2018-05-05 00:10:46	alanz	(in the python space at least. pickle, I think)
2018-05-05 00:11:21	sclv	yeah
2018-05-05 00:11:31	sclv	its a poor-mans compression algo
2018-05-05 00:11:56	wz1000	maybe we can also offload it to an actual compression algo
2018-05-05 00:13:15	sclv	right but that means inlining one into ghc too
2018-05-05 00:13:27	sclv	like.. this sort of duplication is totally caught by gzip
2018-05-05 00:13:33	sclv	hrm
2018-05-05 00:13:34	wz1000	hvr supposedly had some plans to do that
2018-05-05 00:13:40	wz1000	to compress .hi files
2018-05-05 00:14:00	alanz	that sounds like a double-win then
2018-05-05 00:14:07	sclv	its worth doing anyway the simple thing imho to cut down on in-memory footprint for users
2018-05-05 00:14:29	wz1000	https://gist.github.com/wz1000/46bb4b2121f0911bbbf4d4743fafaba8#file-gistfile1-txt-L102
2018-05-05 00:14:54	wz1000	https://gist.github.com/wz1000/46bb4b2121f0911bbbf4d4743fafaba8#file-gistfile1-txt-L230
2018-05-05 00:15:43	wz1000	sclv: yeah, i agree. I was talking more about the subtree duplication
2018-05-05 00:15:51	sclv	adding further compression would be out of scope or nice to have for this summer
2018-05-05 00:16:00	wz1000	yup
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2018-05-05 22:16:51	cocreature	might be interesting to some here: “global code completion and architecture of clangd” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvjrZ3QioBI
2018-05-05 22:17:33	cocreature	mostly focused on how you can keep things working once your projects reach the size of google’s internal projects
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2018-05-05 23:22:13	alanz	cocreature, thanks, will put it on my list
2018-05-05 23:30:52	meck	qa
2018-05-05 23:37:28	lukelau	Is it possible to run a IdeGhcM from within the reactor in LSPStdio.hs without making a request?
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2018-05-05 23:47:30	alanz	lukelau, no. Only the dispatcher has the GHC session needed for it
2018-05-05 23:47:55	alanz	It specifically exists to protect the GHC session as a single resource, because GHC is not re-entrant
2018-05-05 23:48:46	alanz	while allowing the IdeM stuff to run against any cached stuff, without requiring more GhcSession activity
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2018-05-06 02:11:26	lukelau	I’ve been trying to call hlint from a codeaction request for https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/issues/61
2018-05-06 02:13:12	lukelau	So that it can distinguish and filter out code actions that hlint doesn’t have any refactorings for
2018-05-06 02:14:58	lukelau	I got a version working but it doesn’t use a mapped file
2018-05-06 02:15:52	lukelau	So it only works on the saved file, but would it be possible to cache the hlint results instead somehow so that it doesn’t need to be run twice? i.e. one for requestDiagnostics and one for codeaction requests
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2018-05-06 10:50:36	wz1000	lukelau: see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/ModuleCache.hs#L181
2018-05-06 10:51:41	wz1000	use it like so: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/HieExtras.hs#L96
2018-05-06 10:53:32	wz1000	and retrieve the cache with withCachedModuleAndData
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2018-05-06 11:27:36	wz1000	lukelau: or alternatively you can use the global cached not tied to the generation and lifecycle of TypecheckedModules
2018-05-06 11:27:39	wz1000	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/MonadFunctions.hs#L42
2018-05-06 11:29:52	wz1000	example here: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/Hoogle.hs#L48
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2018-05-06 15:56:26	alanz	cocreature, I just watched that video. Thanks.  And we are going to have to put an index db in place some time too. Hopefully built up from the GSOC work wz1000 is doing now
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2018-05-06 16:49:23	cocreature	looking forward to that! this year’s gsoc projects are looking pretty exciting for Haskell tooling!
2018-05-06 16:54:37	alanz	agree
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2018-05-07 02:56:35	lukelau	wz1000: thanks!
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2018-05-07 05:07:47	--	Notice(GitHub190): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #548: Don't provide code actions for diagnostics that hlint doesn't have refactorings for (master...unrefactorable-hlints) https://git.io/vprFk
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2018-05-07 10:39:25	--	Notice(GitHub5): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vpofl
2018-05-07 10:39:25	--	Notice(GitHub5): haskell-ide-engine/master eb037ca Domen Kožar: stack-8.0.2.yaml: remove britanny
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2018-05-07 17:12:16	domenkozar	hmm does hie still work with ghc 8.0.2?
2018-05-07 17:12:24	domenkozar	seems like it's complaining about cabal
2018-05-07 17:31:51	wz1000	alanz: ^
2018-05-07 17:31:58	alanz	domenkozar, there is a branch hie-0.1.0.0 for it
2018-05-07 17:32:13	alanz	which supports 8.02, 8.2.1, 8.2.2
2018-05-07 17:32:35	alanz	the current master supports 8.2.1 to 8.4.2 (with cabal >= 2.0)
2018-05-07 17:33:37	alanz	because cabal 2.0 started checking the cabal-version more strictly, so the hack in ghc-mod/cabal-helper to install stuff for older cabal (or newer, I forget which) no longer works
2018-05-07 17:34:14	alanz	So current master is version 0.2.0.0, hence the other branch name, for 0.1.0.0
2018-05-07 17:35:13	alanz	And I guess we should delete the 8.0.2 one, except it can work if you build it with cabal, using cabal >= 2.0
2018-05-07 17:42:43	domenkozar	alanz: ah makes sense, should we then delete stack-8.0.2.yaml in master?
2018-05-07 17:42:56	domenkozar	that misguided me to belive it's supported
2018-05-07 17:43:15	alanz	well, as I just said, you can build it with cabal-install 2.2, using GHC 8.0.2
2018-05-07 17:43:28	alanz	which is probably 0.002% of the userbase
2018-05-07 17:43:55	alanz	the stack. of course, yes we should
2018-05-07 17:44:48	domenkozar	alanz: can we then pin cabal-install to 2.2 in the stack file?
2018-05-07 17:45:38	alanz	I guess it would not hurt
2018-05-07 17:45:47	domenkozar	let me test that and make a PR
2018-05-07 17:48:31	alanz	ok
2018-05-07 17:48:48	alanz	are you managing to build with nix, submodules and all?
2018-05-07 17:48:54	domenkozar	yes :)
2018-05-07 17:49:05	domenkozar	ah Cabal 2.0 pulls in newer text, parsec, etc
2018-05-07 17:49:50	alanz	if you are pinning it, may as well use Cabal 2.2
2018-05-07 17:50:19	alanz	although, I prefer to go with the grain of the stack nightly, if possible
2018-05-07 17:50:33	alanz	in he vain hope that one day we can hop onto that ship
2018-05-07 17:51:38	domenkozar	hmm I feel like this just won't work :)
2018-05-07 17:51:53	domenkozar	maybe we should drop ghc 8.0
2018-05-07 17:52:10	domenkozar	at least for hie-nix
2018-05-07 17:52:45	domenkozar	or use special branch for it
2018-05-07 17:52:48	domenkozar	I'll think about it.
2018-05-07 18:00:11	alanz	thats what we ended up doing, dropping 8.0
2018-05-07 18:00:46	alanz	but leaving the last known good in the hie-0.1.0.0 branch, as a point for bug-fixes, if required
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2018-05-07 22:30:41	disasm	not able to get autocompletion working with hie (ghc 8.2). It's giving an error 2018-05-07T12:59:36.923183040-04:00 ERROR languageclient::vim - Error handling message. Message: {"id": 23, "jsonrpc": "2.0", "method": "languageClient/omniComplete", "params": {"character": 16, "handle": false, "languageId": "haskell", "line": 17, "buftype": "", "filename":
2018-05-07 22:30:42	disasm	"/home/sam/work/iohk/cardano-sl/blacklist/wallet-new/integration/TransactionSpecs.hs"}}. Error: Err(ErrorMessage { msg: "IdeError {ideCode = PluginError, ideMessage = \"getCompletions: \\\"module not loaded\\\"\", ideInfo = Null}" })
2018-05-07 22:32:13	disasm	I see that message is defined in `src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/HieExtras.hs` FYI, I'm using the nix repo domenkozar owns: https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix
2018-05-07 22:34:58	domenkozar	I think "module not loaded" means it's still compiling
2018-05-07 22:35:02	domenkozar	but I might be wrong :)
2018-05-07 23:34:21	--	Notice(GitHub141): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #548: Don't provide code actions for diagnostics that hlint doesn't have refactorings for (master...unrefactorable-hlints) https://git.io/vprFk
2018-05-07 23:34:21	--	Notice(GitHub165): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vpKfG
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2018-05-07 23:34:21	--	Notice(GitHub165): haskell-ide-engine/master 53cd497 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #548 from Bubba/unrefactorable-hlints...
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2018-05-08 21:34:14	--	Notice(GitHub161): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #553: Logging and other minor improvements (master...master) https://git.io/vp65i
2018-05-08 21:36:24	--	Notice(GitHub11): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 pushed 6 new commits to master: https://git.io/vp65N
2018-05-08 21:36:24	--	Notice(GitHub11): haskell-ide-engine/master 89af5df Zubin Duggal: Output Haddock error messages
2018-05-08 21:36:24	--	Notice(GitHub11): haskell-ide-engine/master c0589e5 Zubin Duggal: Apply hlint suggestions
2018-05-08 21:36:24	--	Notice(GitHub11): haskell-ide-engine/master 65ec2e0 Zubin Duggal: Remove typeclass context from datatype declaration
2018-05-08 21:36:25	--	Notice(GitHub184): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 closed pull request #553: Logging and other minor improvements (master...master) https://git.io/vp65i
2018-05-08 21:36:58	sclv	wz1000: did you make any revisions yet to the wiki page?
2018-05-08 21:37:18	sclv	it would be good to finish that off, to then circulate it more widely
2018-05-08 21:37:22	wz1000	sclv: no, not yet
2018-05-08 21:37:44	sclv	ok. we have ~1wk of community bonding left before gsoc coding officially begins
2018-05-08 21:37:49	sclv	so it would be nice to get that rounded off
2018-05-08 21:38:20	wz1000	yeah, I'll do it by tomorrow
2018-05-08 21:39:50	sclv	cool
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2018-05-09 02:24:52	alanz	wz1000, when we get this file Uri mapping thing nailed down, we must add some tests for it so we do not regress again.
2018-05-09 02:25:13	alanz	And ideally by the end of summer we can do it using the tool lukelau is writing
2018-05-09 02:25:29	alanz	or part of it, anyway.
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2018-05-10 06:10:26	freeman42x	I run into something that kills type on hover: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/556
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2018-05-10 22:44:26	lukelau	Does anyone know what might be causing this error when using HIE on the HIE repo itself https://gist.github.com/Bubba/0b6ff7f754234247044f6a4dee7207b5
2018-05-10 22:45:52	lukelau	stack clean doesn’t seem to fix it
2018-05-10 22:59:45	lukelau	May be related to https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/557
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2018-05-10 23:34:36	alanz	Hi lukelau , taking a look ...
2018-05-10 23:35:12	alanz	why is it using ghc 8.4.1?
2018-05-10 23:35:24	alanz	the stack.yaml is for GHC 8.4.2
2018-05-10 23:36:27	alanz	I suspect the problem might be the version chooser
2018-05-10 23:37:32	lukelau	In stack?
2018-05-10 23:37:52	lukelau	I’ve been trying to figure out what exact command gets run in Build.hs
2018-05-10 23:38:00	lukelau	To recreate this from the terminal
2018-05-10 23:38:24	alanz	Build.hs as in the plugin in hie?
2018-05-10 23:38:26	lukelau	Yeah
2018-05-10 23:38:45	arrowd	._.
2018-05-10 23:38:55	alanz	I have no idea what its state is, it is being developed by arrowd for use in kdevelop
2018-05-10 23:39:20	alanz	so from my perspective it is not officially supported via LSP
2018-05-10 23:39:23	alanz	but it should be
2018-05-10 23:39:40	alanz	arrowd, how is it going?
2018-05-10 23:39:48	lukelau	Is this definitely coming from the build plugin though? That was just my initial guess
2018-05-10 23:40:23	arrowd	Got carried away by other work. But plan to return to it some day,
2018-05-10 23:40:51	alanz	arrowd, good to hear, we are keeping it up to date as we merge stuff
2018-05-10 23:41:12	alanz	lukelau, no, it is not being invoked
2018-05-10 23:41:32	alanz	what does the first line or so of your log file say?
2018-05-10 23:42:04	alanz	because it gives the version of hie and version of ghc being used
2018-05-10 23:42:58	alanz	but I see the hiewrapper needs to be updated for vscode too, but should not affect things if you installed via make
2018-05-10 23:44:53	lukelau	Sorry updated the gist with the full log
2018-05-10 23:45:01	lukelau	It seems to be using 8.4.2
2018-05-10 23:47:34	lukelau	Ok I think I’ve setup my end incorrectly
2018-05-10 23:47:40	lukelau	stack ghc -- --version gives 8.2.2
2018-05-10 23:47:44	alanz	yes, you are running commit ff9
2018-05-10 23:47:57	alanz	of hie
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2018-05-10 23:49:12	alanz	lukelau, according to that log, you are running hie compiled from this commit https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/commit/ff99f81a72d950bd2257805232ef26530cee47c4
2018-05-10 23:49:19	alanz	compiled by GHC 8.4.2
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2018-05-10 23:51:48	lukelau	how embarassing 🤦‍♂️
2018-05-10 23:52:15	alanz	well, it is an opprtunity to learn how to check what versions of things you are running
2018-05-10 23:53:05	alanz	we actually have a version command that returns that info, and should probably send it back on startup, as a notification
2018-05-10 23:53:17	alanz	to make things explicit
2018-05-10 23:55:22	lukelau	Or put it in the lsp log
2018-05-10 23:55:34	alanz	well, it is already there
2018-05-10 23:55:40	alanz	its that first line
2018-05-10 23:55:54	alanz	018-05-10 14:13:47.922589 [ThreadId 4] - run entered for HIE Version 0.2.0.0, Git revision ff99f81a72d950bd2257805232ef26530cee47c4 (dirty) (1317 commits) x86_64 ghc-8.4.2
2018-05-10 23:56:19	lukelau	What’s the log that shows up in VS code?
2018-05-10 23:56:53	alanz	no sure, to be honest. stderr, I think
2018-05-10 23:57:04	alanz	so we should emit it to that, on startup
2018-05-10 23:57:39	lukelau	So /tmp/hie.log is the stuff emitted from window/logMessage requests?
2018-05-10 23:57:57	lukelau	That would make sense why I wasn’t getting any logs from the toy client
2018-05-10 23:58:01	lukelau	at haskell-lsp-client
2018-05-11 00:01:38	alanz	yes
2018-05-11 00:02:13	alanz	if you look at the startup in the main app, you will see how the logging params are passed thorough
2018-05-11 00:02:26	alanz	the logger itself actually lives in haskell-lsp
2018-05-11 00:13:41	lukelau	In utility.hs right?
2018-05-11 00:17:34	alanz	I think so, dont have the code open right now
2018-05-11 00:20:44	--	Notice(GitHub134): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #559: Log the GHC version on startup (master...ghc-verison-log) https://git.io/vpMfl
2018-05-11 00:21:29	lukelau	I think those VSCode logs are also window/logMessage requests? 
2018-05-11 00:24:30	alanz	lukelau, yes, but best to confirm
2018-05-11 00:24:49	alanz	i.e. I think so, but last looked at that a while back
2018-05-11 00:26:56	lukelau	I’m still getting that hare 8.4.1 error, but I’ll do more investigating about the different logging types
2018-05-11 00:28:27	alanz	I know I had to blow away my /.stack (and ~/.ghc for good measure) when stack 1.7.1 came out
2018-05-11 00:29:32	alanz	it installs with a different GHC version, so you get bizarre linker errors when it tries to mix the stuff from the different versions. Since GHC (cabal?) now checks the binary compatiblity properly
2018-05-11 00:30:40	alanz	so to avoid issues on my machine I install ghc via stack, and then put them in my path, so if I use ghc-8.4.2 for either stack or cabal it is exactly the same GHC
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2018-05-11 01:21:31	--	Notice(GitHub171): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #559: Log the GHC version on startup (master...ghc-verison-log) https://git.io/vpMfl
2018-05-11 01:21:31	--	Notice(GitHub18): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vpMLb
2018-05-11 01:21:31	--	Notice(GitHub18): haskell-ide-engine/master fa0cb2e Luke Lau: Log the GHC version on startup
2018-05-11 01:21:31	--	Notice(GitHub18): haskell-ide-engine/master 4e900d5 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #559 from Bubba/ghc-verison-log...
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2018-05-11 01:44:04	lukelau	Should the engine log to stderr at all? Some clients like vim-lsc interperet this as an error and end up displaying error messages to the user
2018-05-11 01:52:26	alanz	Probably not. I think ghc-mod may do it, if you enable its own internal logging, and vscode (and emacs) routes it to a separate window
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2018-05-11 10:20:39	wz1000	lukelau: Do you have a dist/setupConfig in your project directory?
2018-05-11 10:20:55	lukelau	wz1000: a dist folder?
2018-05-11 10:21:02	wz1000	yes
2018-05-11 10:21:12	lukelau	No
2018-05-11 10:21:18	wz1000	Then hie might be using cabal to build instead of stack
2018-05-11 10:21:21	wz1000	ok
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2018-05-11 10:21:47	wz1000	you can turn on --vomit to see more info about the loading process in stderr
2018-05-11 10:22:16	lukelau	I think the simplest repo I have that’s affected by this is https://github.com/noughtmare/haskell-lsp-client
2018-05-11 10:24:27	lukelau	—vomit reveals it’s using the stack project
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2018-05-11 10:28:26	lukelau	What version of cabal should it be using? 2.2?
2018-05-11 10:31:26	lukelau	I’ve got cabal-version set to >= 2.0 in the .cabal file by the way, I’m using a fork of that repo
2018-05-11 10:55:59	lukelau	Does anything look suspicious here? https://gist.github.com/Bubba/96c2f51ce01c74c4279c8acc5516cc10
2018-05-11 11:03:39	wz1000	ghc-mod's load process is failing 
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2018-05-11 15:05:31	wz1000	lukelau: haskell-lsp-client loads properly in HIE for me
2018-05-11 15:06:47	wz1000	try nuking ~/.stack and .stack-work
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2018-05-11 18:07:11	alanz	prototype LSP-based semantic hilighting for Agda. From 2016. https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/pull/124#issuecomment-262105556
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2018-05-11 21:29:08	lukelau	I’m just noticing after removing ~/.stack and .stack-work it’s downloading ghc 8.2.2
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2018-05-11 21:38:30	Unode	hi everyone.
2018-05-11 21:39:35	Unode	When running hie in debug mode (-d) if a message: "2018-05-11 18:07:41.712634459 [ThreadId 4] - ---> {"jsonrpc":"2.0","method":"textDocument/definition (...)" is printed but no "<---" follows, does this mean the server isn't responding to the request?
2018-05-11 21:40:57	Unode	I'm giving hie another try with neovim (LanguageClient) and I'm finding this issue
2018-05-11 21:41:54	Unode	neovim seems to make requests but nothing happens and eventually I see a "Timeout waiting on channel" message in nvim.
2018-05-11 21:42:25	Unode	hie's logs seem to acknowledge an inbound message but nothing else happens
2018-05-11 21:42:32	lukelau	If its a large project then it may take some time to load the module before hie responds
2018-05-11 21:42:58	Unode	It is a large project but I don't see any CPU activity from hie
2018-05-11 21:43:15	lukelau	is there any from ghc-mod?
2018-05-11 21:44:05	arrowsvc	Anyone know when there will be a LTS for 8.4.2, by any chance?
2018-05-11 21:47:25	Unode	lukelau: nothing I can tell
2018-05-11 21:47:39	Unode	It just seems like both parts stopped responding to each other.
2018-05-11 22:20:57	lukelau	Are you getting any messages from stderr?
2018-05-11 22:21:08	lukelau	I can’t remember how LanguageClient displays them
2018-05-11 22:22:23	Unode	I'm not sure if LanguageClient is behaving properly. I'm not familiar with it. Haskell is the first thing I've tried so far. I'm using it together with another vim plugin ALE.
2018-05-11 22:22:26	lukelau	Maybe in /tmp/LanguageClient.log / /tmp/LanguageServer.log
2018-05-11 22:22:34	Unode	So far I'm only monitoring the log file created by hie
2018-05-11 22:23:04	Unode	and there I see a ---> line but no <--- or <--2-- lines after that.
2018-05-11 22:23:53	Unode	It does seem to be partially working since I get some hint suggestions in vim once I :LanguageClientStart but it seems to stop communication afterwards.
2018-05-11 22:24:26	Unode	even :LanguageClientStop doesn't seem to work either.
2018-05-11 22:24:26	lukelau	Ah did you try applying a code action?
2018-05-11 22:24:41	Unode	I called for a definition or a hover action.
2018-05-11 22:25:18	lukelau	Hm, I’ve definitely seen issues with LanguageClient where certain requests can just cause the server to go into limbo
2018-05-11 22:25:34	Unode	hie's log shows the message I send above with method: "textDocument/definition"
2018-05-11 22:26:00	Unode	*sent
2018-05-11 22:26:25	Unode	lukelau: here it seems like all interaction is affected.
2018-05-11 22:26:33	Unode	beyond starting
2018-05-11 22:26:52	lukelau	Can you check  /tmp/LanguageServer.log to see the stderr logs of hie?
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2018-05-11 22:28:48	Unode	lukelau: I'm running hie with -d -l /tmp/hie.log. /tmp/LanguageServer.log is currently empty
2018-05-11 22:29:54	lukelau	Do any of the paths here lead to anything? https://github.com/autozimu/LanguageClient-neovim/blob/next/INSTALL.md#6-troubleshooting
2018-05-11 22:30:52	lukelau	I don’t think /tmp/hie.log includes stderr output from ghc-mod etc
2018-05-11 22:31:02	Unode	I see: cabal-helper-wrapper: /home/u/.cache/cabal-helper/cabal-helper0.8.0.2-Cabal2.0.1.0: createProcess: runInteractiveProcess: exec: permission denied (Permission denied) on one log
2018-05-11 22:31:10	Unode	server log
2018-05-11 22:31:49	Unode	and also: hie: readCreateProcess: /home/u/projects/haskell-ide-engine/.stack-work/install/x86_64-linux-tinfo6-nopie/lts-11.7/8.2.2/libexec/x86_64-linux-ghc-8.2.2/cabal-helper-0.8.0.2/cabal-helper-wrapper ... "needs-build-output" (exit 1): failed
2018-05-11 22:32:18	Unode	(...) omitting the middle commands
2018-05-11 22:35:29	Unode	interesting... seems like something is trying to spawn this cabal-helper binary and ~/.cache has a noexec mount flag on my system.
2018-05-11 22:37:18	lukelau	I could imagine that might be a problem
2018-05-11 22:37:44	lukelau	This is as far as my knowledge of hie goes sorry!
2018-05-11 22:38:05	alanz	Unode, does the project compile using stack at the command line?
2018-05-11 22:38:29	Unode	yes
2018-05-11 22:38:51	Unode	ok so it seems noexec on ~/.cache was the problem
2018-05-11 22:39:16	lukelau	🎉
2018-05-11 22:39:46	Unode	Seems a bit farfetched... is hie expecting to run binaries from ~/.cache ?
2018-05-11 22:40:17	alanz	Unode, yes, cabal-helper exe gets installed in there
2018-05-11 22:40:28	alanz	What system are you on?
2018-05-11 22:41:26	Unode	sabayon linux (a gentoo derivate) but the ~/.cache mount is custom. Had some software doing a lot of IO there and wanted to spare the SSD. It's actually mounted as tmpfs
2018-05-11 22:41:44	Unode	(which also makes some things faster)
2018-05-11 22:42:11	Unode	probably something like https://askubuntu.com/q/670188
2018-05-11 22:43:22	Unode	seems like it's a common advice to have noexec on ~/.cache -> https://fishilico.github.io/generic-config/sysadmin/tmpfs.html
2018-05-11 22:44:25	alanz	ok, can you maybe make a PR on the README to say that it must by overriden for ~/.cache/cabal-helper?
2018-05-11 22:44:33	alanz	dxld ^^
2018-05-11 22:47:32	Unode	oh wow. This is awesome :D
2018-05-11 22:51:08	Unode	almost tears to the eyes. \o/ the pain that will vanish by having hie working properly. Thanks for the help setting this up.
2018-05-11 22:51:08	Unode	and for writing it in the first place
2018-05-11 22:51:08	alanz	Unode, glad you got it working
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2018-05-11 22:52:23	dxld	alanz: hm?
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2018-05-11 22:53:16	alanz	the bit above points out that you need no have noexec set on ~/.cache/cabal-helper
2018-05-11 22:53:21	Unode	alanz: a bit puzzled though. I was expecting all server messages to appear in hie's log file "-l /tmp/hie.log". Although the answer to my issue was in fact on /tmp/LanguageClientServer.log
2018-05-11 22:53:43	alanz	Unode, what LSP client are you using?
2018-05-11 22:53:43	dxld	alanz: you mean not have noexec, right?
2018-05-11 22:53:50	Unode	dxld: TL;DR I had ~/.cache mounted with noexec (a common recommendation) and cabal needs to run from there.
2018-05-11 22:53:57	alanz	dxld, yes, exec must be alolowed
2018-05-11 22:54:04	dxld	hmm
2018-05-11 22:54:19	Unode	alanz: hie is the first one that seems to provide any reasonable goods. I have pyls too but haven't used it much.
2018-05-11 22:54:21	alanz	So its just a heads up, may help for debugging other people sometime
2018-05-11 22:54:49	alanz	Unode, what editor? what client software?
2018-05-11 22:54:50	dxld	I'm just thinking about whether that's a valid thing to have set or not
2018-05-11 22:55:03	alanz	neovim?
2018-05-11 22:55:11	dxld	sounds like the sysadmin's fault if you ask me :p
2018-05-11 22:55:13	Unode	alanz: neovim mostly. Tried vscode at some point too but didn't work either (now I know why).
2018-05-11 22:55:35	Unode	dxld: me in this case :P
2018-05-11 22:55:46	alanz	dxld, it may well be, but if people are doing it, it is a problem. I wonder if we can detect that and error cleanly on it?
2018-05-11 22:56:31	alanz	having .cache noexec sounds like a good precaution, perhaps
2018-05-11 22:56:42	alanz	no idea what LSB has to say on the matter
2018-05-11 22:56:44	Unode	about the point I was referring to before. Is there any reason why a server error would appear in /tmp/LanguageClientServer.log (created by the client) and not on hie's own log file (when running with -l logfile)
2018-05-11 22:56:55	alanz	Or wherever standards for this stuff are amnaged
2018-05-11 22:57:23	dxld	Unode: did you have a particular use case for noexec or what?
2018-05-11 22:57:58	Unode	alanz: is cabal's behavior from exec'ing from ~/.cache something specific to hie? i.e. is hie creating/installing cabal-helper binary on ~/.cache ?
2018-05-11 22:58:05	dxld	Unode: oh and did you have /home noexec or just .cache
2018-05-11 22:58:14	Unode	dxld: security mostly. Only ~/.cache
2018-05-11 22:58:29	alanz	Unode, hie uses ghc-mod, which builds and runs cabal-helper
2018-05-11 22:59:09	dxld	Unode: ah, I see. that's reasonable I guess. maybe we should just go back to having ~/.ghc-mod instead of ~/.cache/ghc-mod
2018-05-11 22:59:13	Unode	dxld: https://fishilico.github.io/generic-config/sysadmin/tmpfs.html and the fact that I wanted to spare my SSD from all the stuff that happens in ~/.cache. (browser, etc... mostly volatile data anyways)
2018-05-11 22:59:56	Unode	it's also not uncommon to see people mounting ~/.cache on tmpfs for performance reasons.
2018-05-11 23:00:12	dxld	well that in itself is not a problem
2018-05-11 23:00:18	dxld	tmpfs doesn't imply noexec
2018-05-11 23:00:23	Unode	true
2018-05-11 23:00:36	Unode	but seems to be common advice.
2018-05-11 23:00:51	dxld	I've never seen anyone suggest that but ok
2018-05-11 23:02:05	Unode	dxld: two of my top hits on google suggested it. (or used it on the code example, which is half way to get it on the system).
2018-05-11 23:03:20	dxld	Unode: you mean the the noexec bit, right
2018-05-11 23:03:23	dxld	?
2018-05-11 23:03:29	Unode	yes
2018-05-11 23:03:40	Unode	well, more like, the examples included it.
2018-05-11 23:03:51	Unode	they didn't explicitly recommend noexec.
2018-05-11 23:04:09	dxld	can you link me to that?
2018-05-11 23:04:28	Unode	just did, the askubuntu URL above and the fishilico link too.
2018-05-11 23:04:52	dxld	ah, got it
2018-05-11 23:05:44	dxld	that askubuntu link suggests symlinking to /dev/shm tho which doesn't have noexec it seems ;)
2018-05-11 23:06:24	dxld	I feel like this is misinformation but the XDG base dir spefication just doesn't say anything about the cache directory
2018-05-11 23:06:31	dxld	other than that it's for "data files"
2018-05-11 23:06:42	dxld	which I guess could be interpteted as meaning noexec
2018-05-11 23:07:18	dxld	it just kind of sucks that we'd have to stick our executables into ~/.config when the really are just a cache you can happily delete
2018-05-11 23:10:02	alanz	maybe ~/.ghc-mod is the best place then
2018-05-11 23:10:17	alanz	or, the exe location for stack and or cabal?
2018-05-11 23:12:34	dxld	honestly I think we should just check for noexec in our cache dir and bail if it's there
2018-05-11 23:12:48	dxld	or like stick it into /tmp instead (and if that's noexec bail ;)
2018-05-11 23:13:02	Unode	dxld: if they are meant to persist isn't ~/.local/share the recommended location?
2018-05-11 23:13:25	Unode	(I find the whole XDG specification rather confusing anyway so ignore if what I'm saying doesn't make sense)
2018-05-11 23:13:28	dxld	.local is tricky
2018-05-11 23:13:34	dxld	is there even a spec for .local?
2018-05-11 23:13:55	dxld	i'd rather not invent yet another place to put things
2018-05-11 23:14:00	Unode	XDG_DATA_DIR = ~/.local/share on my system
2018-05-11 23:14:04	dxld	that's why I like XDG, it's standard
2018-05-11 23:14:10	Unode	XDG_DATA_DIRS*
2018-05-11 23:14:34	Unode	XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/local/share:/usr/share to be precise
2018-05-11 23:14:39	dxld	that doesn't even exist on my system
2018-05-11 23:14:44	Unode	oh wait...
2018-05-11 23:14:47	dxld	but it doesn't really matter
2018-05-11 23:15:05	dxld	whatever we do we just have to be clear about it
2018-05-11 23:15:18	Unode	that exec is needed :)
2018-05-11 23:15:20	dxld	and I think checking for noexec and yelling at the user about it is ok
2018-05-11 23:15:32	alanz	dxld, I agree
2018-05-11 23:15:40	dxld	you can always change XDG_CACHE_HOME if you don't control the system you're on
2018-05-11 23:15:54	alanz	They just need to know that there is a problem, and what to do about it
2018-05-11 23:15:58	Unode	or just yell if binary can't be executed. Hint at possible causes.
2018-05-11 23:16:28	dxld	Unode: personally I think noexec is an ugly hack and if you want to get real about security you should do some MAC thing like selinux or apparmor :)
2018-05-11 23:16:50	dxld	Unode: I haven't read the backlog yet, did it not complain about that?
2018-05-11 23:17:01	dxld	I would have thought createProcess should have failed or something
2018-05-11 23:17:03	Unode	if something else prevents execution, which can also include wrong platform (64/32bit), missing ld-linux (NixOS comes to mind)...
2018-05-11 23:17:33	dxld	I have gotten bug reports about the compiled exe failing to run before so I'm pretty sure that used to work
2018-05-11 23:17:47	Unode	dxld: I found the error that lead me to the right place on /tmp/LanguageClientServer.log. Had been monitoring /tmp/hie.log (after -l /tmp/hie.log) and nothing was appearing there.
2018-05-11 23:18:03	dxld	ah, well that's hie's fault then :p
2018-05-11 23:18:16	Unode	well nothing mentioning the failure to launch cabal-helper
2018-05-11 23:18:42	dxld	but logging is tricky across different libraries
2018-05-11 23:20:05	Unode	anyway, time to go. Thanks for the help
2018-05-11 23:20:08	alanz	dxld, I think the main thing is to report it via ghc-mod, so that hie can report to users
2018-05-11 23:20:15	dxld	(i was talking about bug reports in ghc-mod, if that wasn't clear)
2018-05-11 23:20:28	dxld	it doesn't?
2018-05-11 23:20:50	dxld	when cabal-helper fails it should just throw an exception to bail out completely, no?
2018-05-11 23:20:51	alanz	that log Unode found it in is the (LSP) client side log, which is supposed to be presented to the user 
2018-05-11 23:21:11	dxld	well yeah, cabal-helper logs to stderr
2018-05-11 23:21:57	alanz	dxld, "cabal-helper fails" is different things. We are talking here about not even being able to start cabal-helper up, because of not execute bit set
2018-05-11 23:22:01	dxld	if you need to consume those logs through an api we'll have to have a talk :)
2018-05-11 23:22:10	alanz	So its error logging is meaningless
2018-05-11 23:22:21	dxld	well the wrapper should start up at least
2018-05-11 23:22:34	alanz	this particular thing is what ghc-mod should detect.
2018-05-11 23:22:45	alanz	and the wrapper is in libexec?
2018-05-11 23:22:45	dxld	and then it tries to exec the real thing eventually which will fail and then ghc-mod should bail in the env detection stuff
2018-05-11 23:23:00	alanz	the infamous libexec
2018-05-11 23:23:02	dxld	alanz: yeah cabal-helper-wrapper
2018-05-11 23:23:22	alanz	Someday we should put a diagram or something together for this
2018-05-11 23:23:31	dxld	alanz: don't remind me about that whole fuckup, I just want to move forward from that >_<
2018-05-11 23:24:04	dxld	the one time I decide to do things properly and upstream shit it totally fucks me/us over :|
2018-05-11 23:24:29	dxld	I dunno diagrams have a tendency to get outdated
2018-05-11 23:24:40	dxld	now typed diagrams I could get behind :D
2018-05-11 23:25:19	alanz	ok, well whatever ends up happening for cabal >= 2.0
2018-05-11 23:25:39	alanz	I like message sequence charts myself
2018-05-11 23:25:47	alanz	and there is a web thing that does it 
2018-05-11 23:25:56	alanz	and a lib, mscgen or something
2018-05-11 23:26:36	alanz	https://www.websequencediagrams.com/
2018-05-11 23:27:07	alanz	not typed, but shows sequence of events, between the actors
2018-05-11 23:37:13	dxld	isn't there that haskell tool that renders svgs from ascii art :)
2018-05-11 23:37:27	dxld	that's more up my alley
2018-05-11 23:39:42	alanz	well, there is the diagrams lib, which has some integration, for haddock, I think
2018-05-11 23:40:13	alanz	but the underlying lib for that thing takes ascii and generates the output. and it is OSS
2018-05-11 23:40:53	alanz	http://www.mcternan.me.uk/mscgen/
2018-05-12 00:04:28	dxld	i meant this one: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/asciidiagram
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2018-05-12 00:07:37	alanz	dxld, whatever works for you
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2018-05-12 00:46:41	lukelau	Why is ghc-mod asking me about a hlint file? “hie: user error (Failed to find requested hint files: /Users/luke/.local/bin/data/hlint.yaml)”
2018-05-12 00:46:59	lukelau	*hie
2018-05-12 00:48:29	alanz	lukelau, its not ghc-mod, it is the hlint tool
2018-05-12 00:48:38	alanz	no idea why it is complaining though
2018-05-12 00:49:17	lukelau	Does it not use a hlint library? And not the global installed one?
2018-05-12 00:50:08	alanz	it should
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2018-05-12 11:39:10	wz1000	alanz: see my comments on the PR ^
2018-05-12 11:42:56	--	Notice(GitHub18): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 closed pull request #563: Fix format selection adding an extra newline (master...brittany-selection-fix) https://git.io/vpyx0
2018-05-12 11:42:57	--	Notice(GitHub184): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vpSLR
2018-05-12 11:42:57	--	Notice(GitHub184): haskell-ide-engine/master d29c7e7 Luke Lau: Fix formatting a selection inserting a newline
2018-05-12 11:42:57	--	Notice(GitHub184): haskell-ide-engine/master 37be635 Luke Lau: Add tests for Brittany
2018-05-12 11:42:57	--	Notice(GitHub184): haskell-ide-engine/master 753deb9 wz1000: Merge pull request #563 from Bubba/brittany-selection-fix...
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2018-05-12 12:07:40	wz1000	lukelau: pign
2018-05-12 12:07:43	wz1000	*ping
2018-05-12 12:09:48	lukelau	wz1000: so is the current plan to add some way of checking the cache status, and then going off in either ideghcm or idem?
2018-05-12 12:14:08	wz1000	i was thinking, if getCachedModule returns something like ModuleLoading | HaveModule (Stale|Current) CachedModule | LoadingFailed Error instead of simply Maybe CachedModule
2018-05-12 12:16:06	wz1000	And then we have some way to register "pending operations" that are callbacks of type (CachedModule -> IdeGhcM ()) that should be run once the currently loading module has loaded.
2018-05-12 12:17:58	wz1000	so if symbol request runs getCachedModule, and receives ModuleLoading, it can then register to do its computation once the module is finished loading
2018-05-12 12:18:08	wz1000	which will be automatically managed by the dispatcher
2018-05-12 12:20:13	lukelau	Should the pending operations callbacks not be (CachedModule -> IdeM ())?
2018-05-12 12:20:52	lukelau	Since they won’t need to do any ghc-mod work once the module is loaded
2018-05-12 12:21:22	wz1000	yeah, that makes sense
2018-05-12 12:22:53	lukelau	This would also mean that this sort of logic would need to be done in LSPStdio right?
2018-05-12 12:23:05	wz1000	no
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2018-05-12 12:24:01	wz1000	mainly the setTypecheckedModule as that will be responsible for signaling module status and running pending operations
2018-05-12 12:24:12	wz1000	and ModuleCache obviously
2018-05-12 12:25:15	wz1000	IdeM and IdeGhcM have a state sharing mechanism through TVars 
2018-05-12 12:25:21	lukelau	But whereabouts does symbol request make the call to getCachedModule? What monad does that run in
2018-05-12 12:25:31	wz1000	IdeM
2018-05-12 12:25:47	wz1000	getCachedModule should be polymorphic in the choice of monad
2018-05-12 12:25:53	wz1000	as it currently is
2018-05-12 12:26:18	wz1000	See MultiThreadState.hs
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2018-05-12 12:28:28	lukelau	So the queueing function should run in IdeM, and use the stuff in MultiThreadState.hs to communicate with setTypecheckedModule
2018-05-12 12:28:34	wz1000	yes
2018-05-12 12:28:57	lukelau	Got it, this sounds like a good angle of attack
2018-05-12 12:29:02	wz1000	there is a global HIE state that IdeM and IdeGhcM share
2018-05-12 12:29:11	wz1000	just add another field for pending operations there
2018-05-12 12:30:32	wz1000	lukelau: Also feel free to rename modules/move code around in hie-plugin-api as you see fit
2018-05-12 12:30:44	wz1000	because it is a bit of a mess currently
2018-05-12 12:31:05	lukelau	It would be my pleasure
2018-05-12 12:31:21	wz1000	modules were split up, joined back together, moved into ghc-mod-core, moved back into hie, split up again and so on
2018-05-12 12:31:52	lukelau	I’m off to bed now, I’ll get started on this tomorrow hopefully
2018-05-12 12:31:57	lukelau	Thanks for all this info!
2018-05-12 12:32:55	wz1000	lukelau: this bit is the global HIE state, btw: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/GhcModuleCache.hs#L48
2018-05-12 12:51:48	wz1000	sclv: btw, I had updated the wiki page a few days ago, but my internet connection had been acting pretty wonky so I forgot to tell you
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2018-05-12 13:32:44	sclv	Great!
2018-05-12 13:33:46	sclv	Maybe get a bit more feedback then send email to ghc-devs calling attention?
2018-05-12 13:36:10	wz1000	sclv: ok
2018-05-12 13:36:27	wz1000	btw, I was thinking that the tree structure would represent scoping information
2018-05-12 13:36:51	wz1000	as in siblings share the same scope
2018-05-12 13:37:02	wz1000	but cousins don't
2018-05-12 13:37:25	wz1000	it provides a natural way to represent a subset of the ast as a tree
2018-05-12 13:39:09	wz1000	without including too much extraneous information
2018-05-12 13:39:44	wz1000	and since keywords ect. are included as tokens, consumers can figure out the exact haskell structure a subtree represents pretty easily
2018-05-12 13:40:17	wz1000	without tying the AST to the GHC AST too much
2018-05-12 13:40:47	wz1000	bgamari: ^
2018-05-12 13:40:50	sclv	nice
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2018-05-12 18:56:41	alanz	wz1000, FYI, there is some discussion happening here : https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/ImplementingTreesThatGrow/IdeSupport
2018-05-12 18:57:12	alanz	wrt what info to store in the GHC AST, which can potentially tie up to / map back to what you are doing
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2018-05-13 10:29:41	wz1000	lukelau: GhcModuleCache
2018-05-13 10:30:04	wz1000	every edit should mark the cache as stale
2018-05-13 10:35:17	lukelau	wz1000: for every single module?
2018-05-13 10:38:28	lukelau	I’m currently marking the cache as stale as soon as setTypecheckModule is called
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2018-05-13 10:40:59	lukelau	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/compare/master...Bubba:symbol-force-caching
2018-05-13 11:23:50	wz1000	lukelau: your approach seems fine
2018-05-13 11:24:14	wz1000	but I think you should mark the module as stale whenever an edit for the file comes in
2018-05-13 11:26:13	wz1000	also I think it might be a good idea to combine the Stale/Cached constructors
2018-05-13 11:26:28	wz1000	and have a flag to signify status instead
2018-05-13 11:26:51	wz1000	because almost everything ignores the distinction as of now
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2018-05-13 13:22:50	jophish	Hi all
2018-05-13 13:23:27	jophish	I'm having some issues with the current HEAD, hie doesn't seem to be responding to some requests
2018-05-13 13:23:42	jophish	the first request is answered with a hlint suggestion, but that's it
2018-05-13 13:26:01	jophish	here's the log: https://gist.github.com/a4cc1e7a86130b820859d77913e4d26d
2018-05-13 13:26:50	jophish	I have made a tiny patch to hie to make it accept DidChangeConfigurationParams {_settings = Null}
2018-05-13 13:27:01	jophish	however I think that's very unlikely to be causing this problem
2018-05-13 13:27:32	jophish	There's  warning about no hoogle DB too
2018-05-13 13:29:13	jophish	A longer session where I write an ill typed definition: https://gist.github.com/expipiplus1/149750c193d1055fe8d18388af08d21d
2018-05-13 13:37:57	jophish	(despite the fact that hoogle itself can find the database'
2018-05-13 13:57:31	jophish	here's it not responding to a 'hover'
2018-05-13 13:57:32	jophish	https://gist.github.com/expipiplus1/c4f465754ab7ec8678550addb39c4ad4
2018-05-13 14:08:57	jophish	Any suggestions about what to do next to track this down would be appreciated
2018-05-13 14:23:48	wz1000	jophish: are there any messages on stderr?
2018-05-13 14:24:59	jophish	wz1000: I'm not sure, hie is being called from vim which (afaik) doesn't pass stderr through
2018-05-13 14:25:20	wz1000	try redirecting stderr somewhere
2018-05-13 14:25:40	jophish	wz1000: I'll give that a try, thanks
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2018-05-13 14:33:49	jophish	wz1000: https://gist.github.com/ac927e445a1ae77325dfbe4620f011dd
2018-05-13 14:33:56	jophish	lots to go on there, thanks!
2018-05-13 15:37:37	jophish	Installed cabal helper and it's all go
2018-05-13 15:37:41	jophish	thanks for the help wz1000 
2018-05-13 15:43:20	jophish	hmm, that fixed my small example file, but in a larger project it's still not working (and nothing on stderr)
2018-05-13 15:45:25	jophish	https://gist.github.com/expipiplus1/5f8af2ade7ef8b3de80a4de7f47f95a7
2018-05-13 15:46:16	jophish	lots of 'processing NotDidChangeTextDocument'
2018-05-13 15:47:12	jophish	'ghc-mod check triangle/Main.hs' seems to hang too
2018-05-13 15:49:48	jophish	ghc-mod seems to hang after: info: loadTargets:
2018-05-13 15:50:05	jophish	Target needs interpeter, switching to LinkInMemory/HscInterpreted. Perfectly normal if anything is using TemplateHaskell, QuasiQuotes or PatternSynonyms.
2018-05-13 15:50:42	jophish	ah, if I remove the PatternSynonyms extension from the file it hangs after DEBUG: loadTargets: filterModSums: False
2018-05-13 15:52:05	jophish	aha, it's because of a module annotation
2018-05-13 15:59:24	jophish	https://github.com/DanielG/ghc-mod/issues/936
2018-05-13 15:59:30	jophish	very strange
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2018-05-13 20:33:20	lukelau	jophish: if you’re using languageclient-neovim it outputs stderr to /tmp/languageserver.log
2018-05-13 20:33:46	lukelau	Or an equivalent ($TMP | $TEMP) directory
2018-05-13 20:45:25	jophish	lukelau: oh great :)
2018-05-13 20:45:27	jophish	thanks
2018-05-13 20:46:38	lukelau	alanz: I think the irc logs have stopped updating
2018-05-13 20:46:51	lukelau	Np!
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2018-05-13 21:56:16	--	Notice(GitHub189): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #568: Add a queue for module caches (master...symbol-force-caching) https://git.io/vp9cf
2018-05-13 21:59:49	wz1000	lukelau: ping
2018-05-13 21:59:58	wz1000	I forgot about something
2018-05-13 22:00:03	wz1000	LSP requests can be cancelled
2018-05-13 22:00:51	wz1000	and vscode(atleast) is very likely to cancel requests that take more than a couple of seconds
2018-05-13 22:00:55	wz1000	like hover
2018-05-13 22:01:32	Unode	Hi all, HIE seems to always report errors with imports (Could not find module ‘Test.Tasty’ Use -v to see a list of the files searched for.) when using it with neovim. Is there any way to have it automatically pick up the project dependencies (stack)?
2018-05-13 22:01:45	lukelau	Does anything bad happen if we send a response to a request that’s been cancelled?
2018-05-13 22:02:06	wz1000	nothing in the spec
2018-05-13 22:02:29	wz1000	but we do try our best not to process requests that have been cancelled
2018-05-13 22:02:33	wz1000	look at the Dispatcher
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2018-05-13 22:06:10	lukelau	In Dispatcher.hs:52 it looks like it just checks if its cancelled before calling the action
2018-05-13 22:06:46	lukelau	Does this happen before or after reactorSend?
2018-05-13 22:06:57	wz1000	after reactorSend
2018-05-13 22:07:26	wz1000	wait a bit, I'm working on a PR to your fork
2018-05-13 22:08:56	wz1000	I realise the callback in GhcRequests/IdeRequests is not really necessary
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2018-05-13 22:57:18	wz1000	lukelau: I've tried some stuff and thought about this thing for a while
2018-05-13 22:57:38	wz1000	and I think we should push the responsibilty for queing stuff onto the dispatcher
2018-05-13 22:58:29	wz1000	By adding a constructor IdeResponseDeferred Uri (CachedModule -> IdeM a) to IdeResponse
2018-05-13 22:58:57	wz1000	so instead of manually queing stuff, the dispatcher will inspect the result and decide to queue it
2018-05-13 22:59:05	wz1000	this solves the callback thing
2018-05-13 22:59:10	wz1000	and also the cancellation thing
2018-05-13 22:59:21	wz1000	as the dispatcher is already aware of request ids
2018-05-13 22:59:50	wz1000	and the dispatcher also has the response callback in hand
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2018-05-13 23:00:47	wz1000	so the GhcRequest types will change from pinReq :: IdeGhcM a to IdeGhcM (IdeResponse a)
2018-05-13 23:00:57	wz1000	and similarly for IdeRequest
2018-05-13 23:01:42	wz1000	(also, we can eliminate hieResponseHelper and integrate that into the dispatcher)
2018-05-13 23:02:02	lukelau	wz1000: +1
2018-05-13 23:02:23	lukelau	Is this what you’re working on on your fork?
2018-05-13 23:02:47	wz1000	I was working on something else when I thought of this
2018-05-13 23:02:52	lukelau	Unode: Do you have any cabal files lying around? like .ghc-environment .cabal.project.local dist/new-dist
2018-05-13 23:02:54	wz1000	so I scrapped whatever I was working on
2018-05-13 23:03:25	alanz	wz1000, sounds good
2018-05-13 23:04:39	wz1000	lukelau: so if you want to take a stab at it you're welcome :)
2018-05-13 23:07:03	alanz	btw, not sure if this belongs in hie: https://markkarpov.com/post/announcing-ghc-syntax-highlighter.html
2018-05-13 23:07:21	lukelau	wz1000: I’ll get cracking on that
2018-05-13 23:07:23	alanz	I am interested in a proposal in LSP for semantic highlighting too
2018-05-13 23:07:55	lukelau	alanz: I read that this morning, it looks like it would fit nicely into the family of plugins
2018-05-13 23:08:06	Unode	On https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/docs/Tools.md does the little skull icon mean that those projects are dead? (no legend in the document)
2018-05-13 23:08:13	Unode	lukelau: no I don't think I do
2018-05-13 23:13:42	lukelau	alanz: https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/pull/124
2018-05-13 23:16:32	 *	alanz looking
2018-05-13 23:16:51	alanz	yes, that is the one I am talking about
2018-05-13 23:17:16	alanz	but that is not what the ghc-syntacx-hilighter does
2018-05-13 23:17:22	alanz	that just uses the lexer
2018-05-13 23:20:26	Unode	lukelau: confirmed. I don't have any of those files around.
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2018-05-13 23:37:26	lukelau	Unode: This happens to me with both HIE and ALE on vim, I presume it’s an issue at the ghc-mod/ghc level
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2018-05-13 23:43:35	Unode	lukelau: Same here. Also have both plugins enabled but just today disabled all ALE linters. I was getting memory problems for running too many code checkers and couldn't tell where the error was coming from.
2018-05-13 23:43:55	Unode	how do you generally work around this?
2018-05-13 23:44:14	lukelau	I don’t really haha
2018-05-13 23:44:24	Unode	I mean for now I'm ignoring those errors but I'm guessing this will at some point cause functions to not be recognized no?
2018-05-13 23:45:07	lukelau	I haven’t been able to use HIE on any 8.4.2 projects due to this bug https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/562
2018-05-13 23:46:02	lukelau	You could try running ghc-mod by hand to see where it might be tripping up
2018-05-13 23:46:20	lukelau	stack exec -- ghc-mod check src/myfile.hs
2018-05-13 23:46:31	lukelau	and then passing in the -v flag if it gives the same error
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2018-05-13 23:52:50	lukelau	wz1000: Is this sort of what you had in mind of how this should be used? https://gist.github.com/Bubba/af34c18a1076aa9917a11d846311ac48
2018-05-13 23:55:23	wz1000	yes
2018-05-13 23:56:12	wz1000	and withCachedModule and friends could probably handle this transparently
2018-05-13 23:56:28	lukelau	Ah I like that idea
2018-05-13 23:57:02	Unode	lukelau: Seems like stack and nix aren't playing well on my system. The command you pasted tells me I have no ghc-mod but 'which ghc-mod' tells me otherwise.
2018-05-13 23:57:29	lukelau	Is there a nicer way of using pattern synonyms by the way? Since there’s always the edge case if someone returns IdeResponseOk (FilePath, (CachedModule -> IdeM ()))
2018-05-13 23:57:50	Unode	running ghc-mod with a full path (stack exec -- /path/to/ghc-mod ..) works but reports no import errors.
2018-05-13 23:58:49	lukelau	Unode: you could always try a stack clean and see if it does anything?
2018-05-13 23:59:59	wz1000	lukelau: I think you would have to make IdeResponse into a proper ADT
2018-05-14 00:00:27	wz1000	which might be annoying in the (few) places we treat it as Either
2018-05-14 00:01:15	wz1000	and it should probably be recursive
2018-05-14 00:01:29	wz1000	so that we can wait for multiple cached modules
2018-05-14 00:02:09	wz1000	IdeResponse a = ... | IdeResponseDeferred FilePath (CachedModule -> IdeResponse a)
2018-05-14 00:02:20	lukelau	Yeah I’m just realising that it might not make sense to let withCachedModule to handle it, since in order to defer it it needs to return an IdeResponse
2018-05-14 00:02:34	lukelau	And then that means that whatever use it can’t return its own IdeResponse
2018-05-14 00:03:07	wz1000	I think you can make it an monad
2018-05-14 00:03:43	wz1000	so you get join :: IdeResponse (IdeResponse a) -> IdeResponse a
2018-05-14 00:04:25	lukelau	Ok I’m going to need some pen and paper to work this all out
2018-05-14 00:04:45	wz1000	but for the monad instance you will need
2018-05-14 00:04:47	lukelau	All this stuff happens inside the IdeM monad too
2018-05-14 00:04:55	lukelau	So would we need a transformer?
2018-05-14 00:05:04	wz1000	IdeResponse a = ... | IdeResponseDeferred [FilePath] ([CachedModule] -> IdeResponse a)
2018-05-14 00:05:13	wz1000	no, I don't think so
2018-05-14 00:06:13	lukelau	To make IdeResponse a monad though we would need to make it a proper ADT though right
2018-05-14 00:06:17	wz1000	yes
2018-05-14 00:07:32	wz1000	oh, you are right
2018-05-14 00:07:47	wz1000	it is CachedModule -> IdeM (IdeResponse a)
2018-05-14 00:07:54	wz1000	so the monad thing wouldn't work
2018-05-14 00:07:56	wz1000	hmm
2018-05-14 00:08:41	lukelau	A transformer seems a bit overkill
2018-05-14 00:08:50	wz1000	yeah, scrap the monad thing
2018-05-14 00:15:29	wz1000	lukelau: why won't withCachedModule :: HieMonad m => FilePath -> (CachedModule -> m (IdeResponse b)) -> m (IdeResponse b) work?
2018-05-14 00:16:44	wz1000	if you have a constructor IdeResponseDeferred FilePath (CachedModule -> IdeM (IdeResponse a))
2018-05-14 00:19:22	lukelau	I’ll try that, I don’t think it’s used anywhere thats doesn’t return an IDEResponse
2018-05-14 00:19:55	wz1000	I think we will have to make everything return IdeResponses now anyway
2018-05-14 00:20:11	wz1000	since the dispatcher will now be expecting an IdeResponse
2018-05-14 00:21:03	wz1000	also, I think the deferred callback will need to be IdeGhcM. It shouldn't matter anyway
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2018-05-14 00:21:54	lukelau	Why does it need to be in IdeGhcM?
2018-05-14 00:22:07	wz1000	so that we can maintain polymorphism
2018-05-14 00:22:15	wz1000	we can lift IdeM -> IdeGhcM
2018-05-14 00:22:22	wz1000	but not the other wawy
2018-05-14 00:22:23	wz1000	*way
2018-05-14 00:22:24	lukelau	Ah right I immediately see now
2018-05-14 00:22:48	lukelau	findDef uses withCachedModule and is in IdeGhcM
2018-05-14 00:27:03	wz1000	lukelau: for convienince you might also want to add a new GhcRequest constructor JustDoIt (IdeGhcM ())
2018-05-14 00:27:32	wz1000	for all those requests we make where we just want to execute stuff in IdeGhcM
2018-05-14 00:27:39	wz1000	with no LSP stuff
2018-05-14 00:27:51	wz1000	and no wrapping/unwrapping in IdeResponse
2018-05-14 00:28:38	wz1000	because wrapping stuff in IdeResponse gets annoying very fast
2018-05-14 00:29:45	Unode	lukelau: stack clean doesn't help. Guess I'll just wait for better days...
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2018-05-14 00:37:28	lukelau	withCachedModule :: FilePath -> (CachedModule -> IdeGhcM (IdeResponse b)) -> IdeGhcM (IdeResponse b) doesn’t work so well anymore
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2018-05-14 00:38:07	lukelau	since IdeResponseDeferred a is a IdeResponse of type IdeResponse (FilePath, (CachedModule -> IdeGhcM a))
2018-05-14 00:38:14	lukelau	So there’s an infinite type in b
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2018-05-14 00:42:13	wz1000	lukelau: yeah, thats why it has to be a proper ADT
2018-05-14 00:42:31	lukelau	That’s one thing we’re definitely doing right?
2018-05-14 00:42:56	lukelau	And as for the monad constraint are we just replacing that with IdeGhcM throughout
2018-05-14 00:43:37	wz1000	no, all the functions should stay polymorphic in the choice of monad
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2018-05-14 03:07:05	Unode	I'm having some issues with hie not responding again. This time on NixOS (neovim + LanguageClient). hie starts, responds with the first code analysis. Then the logs show several ---> messages but nothing <---. The only error I'm seeing is "hie: /home/u/.stack/snapshots/x86_64-linux-nix/lts-9.21/8.0.2/pkgdb/package.cache: GHC.PackageDb.readPackageDb: inappropriate type (not enough bytes)" which
2018-05-14 03:07:08	Unode	appears in neovim's LanguageServer.log file.
2018-05-14 03:10:27	Unode	I also see "No hoogle db found. Check the README for instructions to generate one" although I have created one following README instructions, and I see it in ~/.hoogle
2018-05-14 03:25:58	Unode	ok calling PEBCAK on this one. I was mixing different ghc versions with hie. Project used 8.0.2, hie was compiled for 8.2.2.
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2018-05-14 03:49:09	Unode	Is this something hie can detect and report to the user? i.e. "Mismatched HIE versions. HIE was compiled for GHC x.x.x but project uses GHC y.y.y."
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2018-05-14 06:28:05	sclv	wz1000: I think your revised wiki page looks good
2018-05-14 06:28:24	sclv	but I think you should add alan's suggestion about versioning for the hie files
2018-05-14 06:29:10	sclv	with the tuple like (v1.0,GHC8.4.6,Foo.hs) or whatever
2018-05-14 06:29:34	sclv	anyway, i think its ready for an intro "here's my project" email with a link to that to ghc-devs
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2018-05-14 14:33:01	Tehnix2	Unode: Not currently, but there's an open issue about it <https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/414>
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2018-05-14 14:34:37	Tehnix2	I mean, it's something that can be detected for sure, and ideally HIE will manage getting the right version, but until then something like the wrapper scripts (<https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/hie-wrapper.sh>) or using stacks --copy-compiler-tool and then only starting hie via `stack exec -- hie --lsp`
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2018-05-14 16:36:21	Unode	Tehnix2: I'm already using this script (or a variation of it). Thanks
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2018-05-15 00:19:39	lukelau	wz1000: how should the IdeDeferredResponse play about with JSON serialisation?
2018-05-15 00:21:27	wz1000	I think it wont harm to treat it like IdeError with a custom message
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2018-05-15 00:53:57	infinisil	Hey domenkozar, I'm trying to update hie-nix with latest versions of everything
2018-05-15 00:54:40	infinisil	But stack2nix (latest master) gives me "stack2nix: Stack looks for packages in the directories configured in the 'packages' variable defined in your stack.yaml" "The current entry points to /home/infinisil/src/hie-nix/haskell-ide-engine/submodules/HaRe/ but no .cabal file could be found there."
2018-05-15 00:54:55	infinisil	For latest hie master
2018-05-15 01:00:16	alanz	is there a ghc 8.4.2 in nix yet?
2018-05-15 01:01:49	infinisil	I'm pretty sure yeah
2018-05-15 01:02:01	infinisil	Yeah 100%
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2018-05-15 11:53:43	wz1000	sclv, bgamari: ping
2018-05-15 11:55:39	wz1000	I've come up with an initial set of data structures
2018-05-15 11:55:44	wz1000	https://gist.github.com/wz1000/edf14747bd890b08c01c226d5bc6a1d6
2018-05-15 11:56:46	wz1000	I've been looking at structured-haskell-mode, and I think the way it divides up the AST into nodes is the way to go
2018-05-15 11:56:49	wz1000	https://github.com/chrisdone/structured-haskell-mode/
2018-05-15 11:57:14	wz1000	here is what shm outputs for a small snipped of code: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/db42d4f533ba7d2345934906b312f743
2018-05-15 11:58:11	wz1000	I would like an output similar to that, but collapsed into a tree, where each Node contains all the other nodes that occur inside it
2018-05-15 11:58:25	wz1000	and obviously enriched with Name and Type info
2018-05-15 12:00:37	wz1000	but I am a bit confused as to the best way to go about building this tree
2018-05-15 12:01:03	wz1000	because if I understand correctly, I can't use stuff like SYB inside GHC
2018-05-15 12:01:22	wz1000	is the best way manually traversing the entire AST?
2018-05-15 12:04:44	sclv	its not clear to me how you represent scope in your thing, which you mentioned?
2018-05-15 12:04:53	sclv	i.e. there's no per-se notion of binding
2018-05-15 12:05:01	sclv	i'm not sure if you need to represent it tbh
2018-05-15 12:05:08	sclv	but if you do need to, i don't see it :-)
2018-05-15 12:05:40	wz1000	yeah, the scope thing wasn't making much sense
2018-05-15 12:06:04	sclv	like i said, i don't think you need it necessarily
2018-05-15 12:06:13	sclv	so i'm fine ignoring it for now and revisiting if it actually comes up
2018-05-15 12:06:48	wz1000	yeah.
2018-05-15 12:07:16	sclv	wz1000: ok so what concrete type will you be operating on to convert
2018-05-15 12:07:21	sclv	when you say "ast" at this point
2018-05-15 12:07:28	sclv	& where in the ghc source does it live?
2018-05-15 12:07:39	wz1000	the Renamed and Typechecked source
2018-05-15 12:07:53	wz1000	the renamed source has all the Names we will need
2018-05-15 12:08:06	wz1000	and then we would need to enrich it with types
2018-05-15 12:08:14	wz1000	from the Typechecked source
2018-05-15 12:09:04	sclv	So that's HsSyn?
2018-05-15 12:10:15	sclv	and TcHsSyn?
2018-05-15 12:10:45	sclv	The haddocks show SYB instances for this stuff
2018-05-15 12:10:56	wz1000	Actually, I think the best way to create the initial tree would be to use HsModule from the Parsed Source
2018-05-15 12:11:12	wz1000	then add Names extracted from the RenamedSource
2018-05-15 12:11:18	wz1000	and then finally types
2018-05-15 12:11:49	sclv	So is there a phase reason you can't use SYB even though you have the instances?
2018-05-15 12:12:34	wz1000	oh, SYB is in base!
2018-05-15 12:12:34	sclv	I confess its not clear to me how much generics help here vs just hand-written recursive descent
2018-05-15 12:12:40	wz1000	I didn't realise
2018-05-15 12:13:05	wz1000	I was under the impression it was an external dependency
2018-05-15 12:13:31	sclv	Well Data.Data is in base
2018-05-15 12:13:37	sclv	for deriving Data
2018-05-15 12:13:56	sclv	and I guess everything is Typeable these days
2018-05-15 12:14:32	wz1000	well, generics because I don't wan't to handle 20 bajillion construtors by hand
2018-05-15 12:15:24	sclv	What you don't have in base is all the nice syb stuff directly
2018-05-15 12:15:29	sclv	just Data.Data, which it is built on
2018-05-15 12:15:32	wz1000	and that is how stuff like haddocks hyperlinker and structured-haskell-mode also do it
2018-05-15 12:15:38	sclv	And I don't think syb is a boot lib :-/
2018-05-15 12:18:50	sclv	honestly i think you'll mainly end up wanting/needing to write explicit code anyway
2018-05-15 12:18:56	sclv	you don't want the syb slowdown
2018-05-15 12:19:51	wz1000	ok, I'll get started on something
2018-05-15 12:20:33	sclv	but yeah, lol. ghc has a complicated ast, so that makes this decidely un-fun
2018-05-15 12:21:14	sclv	if you look at something like https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-8.4.1/docs/src/HsExpr.html it seems that the house ghc style is definitely just descent by hand
2018-05-15 12:22:17	sclv	using a typeclass may help organize the code at least, and perhaps some codegen could help
2018-05-15 12:22:55	sclv	just to automate turning out some boilerplate to begin with...
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2018-05-15 15:49:36	domenkozar	infinisil: yeah it's a bit tricky
2018-05-15 15:49:45	domenkozar	see open PR :)
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2018-05-15 18:28:42	Franciman	Hi
2018-05-15 18:28:53	Franciman	can I use hie in a cabal project (and not a stack project)?
2018-05-15 18:30:08	wz1000	yes
2018-05-15 18:30:13	wz1000	hopefully
2018-05-15 18:31:08	Franciman	ok thanks
2018-05-15 18:59:17	bgamari	wz1000, pong
2018-05-15 19:03:28	bgamari	wz1000, it still think it would be nice if we wrote down explicitly the use-cases that we are targetting
2018-05-15 19:03:35	bgamari	e.g. what is the goal
2018-05-15 19:03:52	bgamari	otherwise it's very hard to assess whether the design will help us meet them
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2018-05-15 21:14:38	infinisil	domenkozar: Ah I didn't see that one, thanks
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2018-05-15 22:27:04	lukelau	wz1000: ping
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2018-05-16 11:02:14	wz1000	bgamari: I updated the wiki page with a bunch of use cases
2018-05-16 11:17:29	wz1000	alanz: the HCAR section on haskell-ide-engine seems out of date
2018-05-16 11:17:46	wz1000	https://www.haskell.org/communities/05-2018/html/report.html
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2018-05-16 13:46:58	--	Notice(GitHub26): haskell-ide-engine/master c1ca784 Alan Zimmerman: Bump resolver and hlint versions
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2018-05-16 14:25:36	alanz	wz1000, I kind of stopped filling in HCAR a year or so ago. I'm not good with recurring admin
2018-05-16 14:26:01	alanz	So either we need someone to step up to do it, or we should ask for the entry to be removed. Or something.
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2018-05-16 15:44:20	wz1000	alanz: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/566#issuecomment-389467956
2018-05-16 15:46:45	wz1000	seems like we have to pay attention to the document version numbers and make sure we process requests in the correct order
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2018-05-16 17:43:32	alanz	wz1000, I know the original implementation took care around the order of the changes, because each change gives a different state of the document
2018-05-16 17:44:09	alanz	And I think the "standard" way to process it then was to sort the changes, and apply them from the end of the file to the front.
2018-05-16 17:44:42	alanz	But we will need an actual log, to see what is happening, and generate a test case (for haskell-lsp, VSP)
2018-05-16 17:45:05	 *	alanz and I see there are logs attached
2018-05-16 17:45:42	alanz	Perhaps this is a good thing for lukelau to look at, as a way of getting into the architecture of stuff, and the kind of thing that needs to be tested
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2018-05-16 17:57:05	bgamari	wz1000, thanks!
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2018-05-16 22:36:55	lukelau	Hello world https://github.com/Bubba/haskell-lsp-test
2018-05-16 22:55:06	alanz	nice
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2018-05-17 22:05:46	alanz	Good to see this patch land, but also look at the technique used: https://phabricator.haskell.org/rGHCf27e4f624fe1270e8027ff0a14f03514f5be31b7
2018-05-17 22:05:53	alanz	cc dxld wz1000 ^^
2018-05-17 22:11:10	wz1000	nice
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2018-05-18 01:00:36	dxld	alanz: just fyi, my irc client only hilights me at the beginning of a line. I think it's a common anti spam measure
2018-05-18 01:02:39	dxld	that is good news though
2018-05-18 01:02:51	alanz	agree
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2018-05-18 04:06:50	meck	Hi! Im having a problem with HIE where i think the ghc-mod submodule is returning diagnostic for a temporary file insted of the original
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2018-05-18 04:09:06	meck	diagnostics from hlint still points to the original file
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2018-05-18 04:28:26	lukelau	meck: I believe if the file hasn’t been saved yet then HIE uses a temporary file with the current contents of the document for ghc-mod
2018-05-18 04:33:14	meck	luklau: Ok, this still happens if I open reopen the editor with the file saved to disk, so i don't think thats the problems unless ghc-mod prefers a already existing temp file to the up to date original
2018-05-18 04:34:29	meck	and I think it used to work a while back, but not on HEAD
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2018-05-18 18:00:00	wz1000	alanz: this looks interesting: https://icfp18.sigplan.org/event/icfp-2018-papers-experience-report-merlin-a-language-server-for-ocaml
2018-05-18 18:00:31	alanz	yes, I saw the title, have not looked yet
2018-05-18 18:00:43	alanz	But it is exciting to see how LSP has taken off
2018-05-18 18:00:54	alanz	Lots of opportunites for code/experience sharing
2018-05-18 18:01:30	wz1000	will you be going to icfp this year too?
2018-05-18 18:02:04	alanz	nope
2018-05-18 18:03:06	alanz	I reckon it is going to be drowned out by the strangeloop stuff
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2018-05-18 23:12:50	alanz	I've just been going through some of the issues on github. I think having a more solid testing infrastructure is definitely going to be good for us going forward.
2018-05-18 23:16:18	lukelau	alanz: I’ve updated the PR with an option to also record the server output as well
2018-05-18 23:16:42	lukelau	I’ve got the changes for HIE ready as well but they depend on haskell-lsp
2018-05-18 23:16:48	alanz	I saw, and just merged
2018-05-18 23:17:26	lukelau	Nice, I’ll start the PR for HIE now. It will be handy to start collecting these test cases early
2018-05-18 23:17:39	alanz	And FYI, you can set your own repo as an upstream for the submodule, and change the .gitmodules file to reflect it
2018-05-18 23:17:47	alanz	(in hie)
2018-05-18 23:18:06	lukelau	I’ve been using the github:/commit syntax in stack.yaml
2018-05-18 23:18:12	alanz	and doing a PR that way is fine, so we can see that it works
2018-05-18 23:18:47	lukelau	Do we need to push a new version on hackage for haskell-lsp? 
2018-05-18 23:18:58	alanz	that is another way of doing it. We used to do it that way, but it means updating things in every stack file, and does not play nice with cabal builds
2018-05-18 23:19:27	alanz	and, if you have bad connectivity (like me), every time you change it, stack clones the entire repo from scratch
2018-05-18 23:19:37	alanz	which can take forever for HaRe
2018-05-18 23:20:10	alanz	I think once you have completed your changes we can publish a new version
2018-05-18 23:20:47	alanz	I anticipate a lot more changes before you are done, and doing it via submodule / git ref updates is fine for now
2018-05-18 23:34:46	lukelau	alanz: I’m just noticing haskell-lsp is a submodile in hie but stack.yaml doesn’t include it
2018-05-18 23:35:01	lukelau	It just has it listed as a regular extra-dep not a location extra-dep
2018-05-18 23:35:22	alanz	well, it is being used from hackage at the moment
2018-05-18 23:35:29	lukelau	Should I change it to take it from the submodule?
2018-05-18 23:35:37	alanz	for your branch, yes
2018-05-18 23:36:08	alanz	git submodule add https://gith... submodules/haskell-lsp
2018-05-18 23:36:20	alanz	it may complain, and say activate or something
2018-05-18 23:36:24	alanz	if so, do that
2018-05-18 23:36:35	alanz	i.e. git submodule activate ...
2018-05-18 23:37:19	lukelau	Is it ok just to `cd submodules/haskell-lsp && git pull origin master`?
2018-05-18 23:37:37	lukelau	And update the current submodule already there
2018-05-18 23:38:12	alanz	yes
2018-05-18 23:38:27	alanz	and you can add your own repo as an upstream
2018-05-18 23:39:02	alanz	What I do is have two upstreams, one https which is in the .submodules, and one git://, which I can push to
2018-05-18 23:39:11	alanz	and they are for the same repo
2018-05-18 23:39:54	alanz	But it means you can work coherently in the submodule, and push changes to your own upstream repo, but other people can pull (via https) when checking out the submdoule
2018-05-18 23:40:00	alanz	if that makes any sense to you
2018-05-18 23:43:25	lukelau	I think so? I’ve added my fork as a remote in the submodule, so when I’m working on my fork of it I can just pull down my changes from that fork and commit it straight to hie?
2018-05-18 23:43:36	alanz	yes
2018-05-18 23:43:43	lukelau	Without having to wait for a PR for the submodule
2018-05-18 23:44:20	alanz	But you need to update .gitsubmodule to point to your repo, else if I try to check it out it will not find the commit (when I git submodule update)
2018-05-18 23:44:39	alanz	.submodules is just a text file, under git version control. So you can edit it.
2018-05-18 23:44:50	alanz	You will see I commented out various repos in it
2018-05-18 23:44:52	lukelau	Gotcha
2018-05-18 23:45:30	alanz	e.g https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/.gitmodules#L8
2018-05-18 23:46:02	lukelau	It seems weird that git stores the commit in the actual submodule but the actual remote in .gitmodules
2018-05-18 23:46:05	alanz	so you just comment out line 21 and add yours insrtead
2018-05-18 23:46:25	alanz	well, there are probably *reasons*. But it seems to work quite well
2018-05-18 23:46:36	alanz	instant checkouts, is the bit I care about
2018-05-18 23:46:48	alanz	without downloading the whole repo each time
2018-05-18 23:47:16	alanz	and dxld tells me you can initialise with reference to an existing repo on your machine too, if you are offline
2018-05-19 00:10:42	--	Notice(GitHub56): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #577: Add option to record client and server interactions (master...record-client) https://git.io/vppT3
2018-05-19 00:13:03	lukelau	alanz: how are the checkouts instant?
2018-05-19 00:22:34	alanz	I mean when switching from one branch to another
2018-05-19 00:23:02	alanz	git keeps a stash of the submodules, so can check it out from local filesystem if it has it
2018-05-19 00:24:57	lukelau	I’d imagine the abiltiy to use local repos could be handy for complex build systems
2018-05-19 00:25:36	alanz	yes. But for me being able to update a submodule relatively quickly is a win
2018-05-19 00:25:51	alanz	i.e. pull, checkout new branch, rather than clone from scratch each time
2018-05-19 00:26:43	alanz	btw, you can develop fully against your haskell-lsp repo, and then make a single PR when it gets to a useful point
2018-05-19 00:26:55	alanz	no need to slow yourelf down to my merge rate
2018-05-19 00:28:50	lukelau	Ok, the PR is there in case you need to start recording test cases, it’s not blocking me don’t worry
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2018-05-19 04:24:04	lukelau	Someone on #haskell is getting this error with 8.0.2 https://gist.github.com/hasufell/ea90a113b7c1a74787f5ee210eae941b
2018-05-19 04:24:29	lukelau	Might we need to update haskell-lsp on the 0.1 branch?
2018-05-19 04:32:23	lukelau	Happens on languageclient neovim
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2018-05-19 14:11:38	alanz	lukelau, they are sending a malformed configuration message
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2018-05-19 14:45:37	--	Notice(GitHub72): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #581: Use working haddock libraries for GHC 8.4.2 (master...ghc-8.4.2-haddock) https://git.io/vppHs
2018-05-19 14:45:38	--	Notice(GitHub92): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vppQB
2018-05-19 14:45:38	--	Notice(GitHub92): haskell-ide-engine/master 92dcd01 Alan Zimmerman: Use working haddock libraries for GHC 8.4.2
2018-05-19 14:45:38	--	Notice(GitHub92): haskell-ide-engine/master 5ce707b Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #581 from alanz/ghc-8.4.2-haddock...
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2018-05-19 15:36:17	--	Notice(GitHub72): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #582: Do not register executeCommandProvider on startup (master...no-exec-command-on-startup) https://git.io/vpp5C
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2018-05-19 16:39:10	--	Notice(GitHub175): haskell-ide-engine/master 386e521 Alan Zimmerman: Do not register executeCommandProvider on startup...
2018-05-19 16:39:10	--	Notice(GitHub175): haskell-ide-engine/master 2f9f683 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #582 from alanz/no-exec-command-on-startup...
2018-05-19 16:39:10	--	Notice(GitHub116): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #582: Do not register executeCommandProvider on startup (master...no-exec-command-on-startup) https://git.io/vpp5C
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2018-05-19 17:55:00	wz1000	sclv, bgamari: I've made an initial attempt at generating the AST here: https://github.com/haskell/haddock/compare/ghc-8.4...wz1000:ghc-8.4
2018-05-19 17:55:40	wz1000	it only uses the Renamed source right now, so no type info
2018-05-19 17:55:48	wz1000	here is some example output: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/84edd9fded9c91a6822f6696d96968e7
2018-05-19 17:56:45	wz1000	And it only handles expressions, no classes or data declarations or type signatures
2018-05-19 17:57:47	alanz	Is there any way you can use some generic programming for that stuff?
2018-05-19 18:38:28	wz1000	I wanted to, but sclv said it would be better if it was an explicit recursion
2018-05-19 18:56:50	alanz	ok
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2018-05-19 20:17:42	Naughtmare[m]	Does anybody know what is going wrong here: https://github.com/noughtmare/haskell-lsp-client/pull/7#issuecomment-390409438? The code that is running on the client side is here: https://github.com/noughtmare/haskell-lsp-client/blob/72ff363f7ce6f20ac43f938075fc5a48542b5db4/example/Main.hs.
2018-05-19 20:19:56	Naughtmare[m]	The problem is that I'm sending a definition request, but hie never responds.
2018-05-19 20:26:24	Naughtmare[m]	Sorry, the code that is running is this: https://github.com/Bubba/haskell-lsp-client/blob/5c515b5fd1a324dab1a008273f7d3edc5141260b/example/Main.hs, but with a different LSP.Position argument for the definition request.
2018-05-19 20:35:54	lukelau	alanz: does the client always have to send “languageserver.haskell” in the config?
2018-05-19 20:42:02	lukelau	Naughtmare[m]: I didn’t try this on 8.2.2
2018-05-19 20:42:38	Naughtmare[m]	It should still work right?
2018-05-19 20:43:22	lukelau	Presumably
2018-05-19 20:44:00	lukelau	What file did you run it on?
2018-05-19 20:46:50	Naughtmare[m]	The example/Main.hs file
2018-05-19 20:47:35	lukelau	Did you have to change the resolver in stack.yaml for it?
2018-05-19 20:48:13	lukelau	I’m building the packages for 11.2 at the moment to try it
2018-05-19 20:48:43	Naughtmare[m]	I built it with nix and tinc (https://github.com/sol/tinc)
2018-05-19 20:54:21	alanz	Naughtmare[m], anything under nix is for experts only
2018-05-19 20:54:22	lukelau	Its working with 8.2.2 built from master, will try now with the one from the 0.1 branch?
2018-05-19 20:54:35	alanz	there are so many moving parts with hie, making sure they all line up is tricky
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2018-05-19 21:01:22	lukelau	Why is it that 8.2.2 and 8.2.1 are supported in 0.1 and 0.2?
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2018-05-19 21:13:06	lukelau	Naughtmare[m]: The 0.1 branch of 8.2.2 doesn’t get stuck but just returns an empty location
2018-05-19 21:13:10	lukelau	for me
2018-05-19 21:14:47	Naughtmare[m]	I installed hie from https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix, maybe that is an outdated version?
2018-05-19 21:15:09	lukelau	I think people using it yesterday over on #haskell were having problems too
2018-05-19 21:15:23	lukelau	Theres a PR for the new version I think https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix/pull/10
2018-05-19 21:15:33	Naughtmare[m]	Yeah, I will try that one.
2018-05-19 21:16:31	alanz	btw, you should only really be using the 0.1.0.0 branch for GHC 8.0.2 support
2018-05-19 21:17:26	lukelau	alanz: Can I update the readme to point that out?
2018-05-19 21:17:45	alanz	yes
2018-05-19 21:18:18	alanz	And please remove that stuff about the target project needing cabal >= 2.0, dxld tells me I got that wrong
2018-05-19 21:38:36	--	Notice(GitHub135): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #583: Update README.md (master...patch-1) https://git.io/vphJl
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2018-05-19 22:40:12	alanz	lukelau, I made my own update to the README, I did not explain it to you properly before
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2018-05-19 22:40:34	--	Notice(GitHub3): haskell-ide-engine/master 6debc24 Alan Zimmerman: Update README...
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2018-05-19 22:44:50	lukelau	All my hard work updating the readme! Lol
2018-05-19 22:45:21	lukelau	Hopefully this will help people get hie setup properly
2018-05-19 22:45:30	alanz	agree
2018-05-19 22:52:39	lukelau	By the way the replaying tester is coming along nicely
2018-05-19 22:53:28	lukelau	I’ve releaxed the restrictions so that notifications can come in any order between requests and responses
2018-05-19 22:53:44	lukelau	And I’m thinking a cool stretch goal to have might be a fuzzy tester
2018-05-19 22:57:32	alanz	I agree, the order is not (required to be) deterministic
2018-05-19 22:58:02	alanz	so a notification can come at any time, and a response must come after a request, but may be interleaved
2018-05-19 22:58:14	alanz	e.g. re1, req2, res1, res2
2018-05-19 22:58:48	alanz	And possible even req1, req2, res2, res1
2018-05-19 22:58:56	alanz	with notifications in between
2018-05-19 22:59:16	lukelau	That’s my logic at the moment
2018-05-19 22:59:22	alanz	Which is why I think some kind of state machine based test driver will be needed
2018-05-19 22:59:39	alanz	what do you mean by a fuzzy tester, btw?
2018-05-19 23:01:29	lukelau	A tool that runs lots of random client actions, records the logs and then they can be used to test for regressions later down the line or find crashes
2018-05-19 23:02:13	alanz	ok, so a fuzz-tester. Sounds great
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2018-05-20 01:44:21	lukelau	alanz: I think I got the replay part of the testing framework up and running!
2018-05-20 01:45:27	lukelau	It also picked up that issue where documentSymbol requests return empty at launch
2018-05-20 01:45:56	lukelau	I spent 30 minutes thinking there was something wrong with the tester, but it had just uncovered its first bug :)
2018-05-20 02:17:24	Naughtmare[m]	I have now installed hie with `stack --nix --stack-yaml=stack-8.2.2.yaml install`, but it still gets stuck in the same way.
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2018-05-20 04:18:10	alanz	lukelau, awesome
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2018-05-20 10:59:56	sclv	wz1000: looking now
2018-05-20 11:01:19	sclv	wz1000: looks like a good start to me
2018-05-20 11:01:28	sclv	obviously it needs to migrate to ghc at some point
2018-05-20 11:03:30	sclv	not sure what the right sorts of tests to write for it are
2018-05-20 11:03:40	sclv	especially since eventually you'll want them in ghc idiom and i don't know what to tell you there
2018-05-20 11:03:53	sclv	joachim and ben will offer better advice in that regard
2018-05-20 11:04:08	sclv	in the meantime you can write some tests that you might throw away later
2018-05-20 11:04:14	sclv	just to confirm the properties you think should be the case
2018-05-20 11:04:39	sclv	in terms of "the full file is covered by the ast" and "the containment relations are what are expected" etc
2018-05-20 11:04:41	sclv	quickcheck style
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2018-05-20 12:15:54	sam__	Can't build. `make build-all` is whining about missing icu dependencies. Any idea what to install on MacOS?
2018-05-20 12:18:00	lukelau	sam__: I believe there is an icu fix command in the makefile
2018-05-20 12:22:11	sam__	icu fix?
2018-05-20 12:22:24	sam__	I have `icu4c` installed in brew
2018-05-20 12:22:33	lukelau	`make icu-macos-fix`
2018-05-20 12:22:55	sam__	ok I see it now
2018-05-20 12:26:59	sam__	ok, thanks. I was able to run that.
2018-05-20 12:40:49	sam__	ok, didnt work...
2018-05-20 12:41:33	sam__	can't load .so/.dll for ".stack/snapshots/x86_64-osx/lts-9.14/8.0.2/lib/x86_64-osx-ghc-8.0.2/libHStext-icu-0.7.0.1-EllpGYmNw3bJ3FIJMPisuJ-ghc8.0.2.dylib"
2018-05-20 12:49:12	sam__	the file is there though...
2018-05-20 12:51:13	sam__	is something broken because I tried doing build make-all first
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2018-05-21 08:22:17	lukelau	sam___: why is it trying to load a .so/.dll?
2018-05-21 08:23:03	lukelau	sam___: Is your project using 8.0.2 as well?
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2018-05-21 20:28:52	Tehnix2	sam__: You need to delete all libs install using ICU before you fixed it (if you updated ICU at least)
2018-05-21 20:29:02	Tehnix2	yi-rope amongst others
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2018-05-21 23:13:30	WilliamHamilton	hi, I'd like to ask a question on a particular aspect of hie: I wonder how does it deal with cpp in packages. I think the work is done by ghc-exactprint but I'm not sure, and I'd like to know how the processing is done
2018-05-21 23:13:55	alanz	WilliamHamilton, yes, it is done in ghc-exactprint
2018-05-21 23:14:48	alanz	and it is a horrible, messy process, where the source before and after is tokenised, and the bits that are in the original but not in the post-CPP is turned into a comment
2018-05-21 23:14:58	WilliamHamilton	alanz: hi, thanks for the answer! I know you are the author, could you give a very general explanation of how it's done?
2018-05-21 23:15:12	alanz	So it "works" for basic line-oriented #if cond stuff
2018-05-21 23:15:24	alanz	best to look at the source, hold on
2018-05-21 23:15:37	alanz	And the sooner CPP is banned from GHC the better
2018-05-21 23:17:15	alanz	It is in this module: https://github.com/alanz/ghc-exactprint/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/GHC/ExactPrint/Preprocess.hs
2018-05-21 23:17:29	alanz	but gets called from the parser module, hold on
2018-05-21 23:18:24	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/ghc-exactprint/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/GHC/ExactPrint/Parsers.hs#L168
2018-05-21 23:18:24	WilliamHamilton	I could not agree more in the disdain about cpp: it's probably the single biggest show-stopper in the developing of tooling (hence my question). Mainly my question is: did you coerce cabal to do the cpp stripping (as some point, cabal has the clean sources)?
2018-05-21 23:18:41	alanz	no, it is inside GHC
2018-05-21 23:19:00	alanz	we set the dynflags to keep the source after CPP, for tokenising
2018-05-21 23:19:11	alanz	as I recollect, it is a long time ago
2018-05-21 23:19:23	alanz	but definitely not in cabal, it is in the ghc pipeline
2018-05-21 23:19:33	alanz	WilliamHamilton, what is your interest in this?
2018-05-21 23:21:54	WilliamHamilton	alanz: I see, thanks, I'll explore the sources and ask more questions, if it's ok; regarding my interest: I have an idea for a tool that given a library generates some documentation by doing some analysis on the types (I want to test how far I manage to go); but I've always been stopped by cpp (I even created a in-house solution, but worked only with stack and was a bit ugly)
2018-05-21 23:22:40	alanz	well, you can also look at hie and how it loads TypeCheckedModules using ghc-mod
2018-05-21 23:23:03	alanz	That probably takes you most directly to something to be able to work on
2018-05-21 23:24:30	WilliamHamilton	alanz: that seems useful, do you have a pointer in a particular module? I'd basically like to query for all the datatypes and types of functions defined in the modules of a project
2018-05-21 23:26:18	alanz	WilliamHamilton, see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/GhcMod.hs#L233
2018-05-21 23:26:33	alanz	it does an operation on the TypeCheckedSource
2018-05-21 23:28:56	alanz	but in the hie ecosystem. Otherwise chase it down to https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/blob/ghc-8.4-hie/core/GhcMod/ModuleLoader.hs
2018-05-21 23:31:55	WilliamHamilton	alanz: thanks again for the pointers! is the function getPreprocessedSrcDirect in Language.Haskell.GHC.ExactPrint.Preprocess doing the preprocessing stripping cpp?
2018-05-21 23:31:56	WilliamHamilton	the haddock is here
2018-05-21 23:32:11	WilliamHamilton	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-exactprint-0.5.6.1/docs/Language-Haskell-GHC-ExactPrint-Preprocess.html#v:getPreprocessedSrcDirect
2018-05-21 23:33:27	alanz	I think it gets the source after CPP
2018-05-21 23:33:38	alanz	But have not looked at this code for some time
2018-05-21 23:33:47	alanz	and mpickering did the last major rework of it
2018-05-21 23:34:58	WilliamHamilton	good, this is enough to try another stab at the problem, thanks!
2018-05-21 23:35:36	alanz	good luck
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2018-05-21 23:51:15	meck	 Im using hie with vim, and I was looking at the vscode wrapper script. It would make sense for me to move that to the hie repro as it would be usful with other clients, but i might miss something?
2018-05-21 23:55:27	alanz	meck, the principle of having stuff in hie rather than the client is a good one
2018-05-21 23:57:05	alanz	Our eventual plan is sort of discussed here: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/558#issuecomment-388144867
2018-05-21 23:58:07	alanz	meck, the other problem is to reliably place the wrapper script somewhere, for all compiler versions, platforms, etc
2018-05-22 00:05:10	meck	alanz: Yes that seem like a better long term solution, as for the shell file im using stack so i just stuck it next to the compiled executables. But i see that cabal is trickier, and windows more so...
2018-05-22 00:05:46	alanz	yes indeed
2018-05-22 00:11:31	meck	I'll just mange it manualy for now, Unfortunately im so just a novice at haskell, hopefully I'll be able to contribute in the future.
2018-05-22 00:13:30	alanz	meck, its good to have new users. This is what hie is for
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2018-05-22 01:18:54	alanz	wz1000, I am seeing strange things after the latest merge, tests not ending, diagnostics not being returned
2018-05-22 01:25:00	wz1000	alanz: the canonicalization one?
2018-05-22 01:25:04	wz1000	it passed ci
2018-05-22 01:25:21	alanz	ok, must be something odd on my machine then
2018-05-22 01:25:24	wz1000	and it shouldn't really do anything terrible
2018-05-22 01:25:31	wz1000	as far as I can see
2018-05-22 01:25:37	wz1000	I'll try to test it out
2018-05-22 01:25:58	alanz	ok, I have stepped back to a prior commit and testing locally again
2018-05-22 01:26:05	alanz	it could be a cabal-helper thing
2018-05-22 01:26:37	lukelau	alanz: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/562#issuecomment-390740080 is the cause of this the haddock dependencies?
2018-05-22 01:28:03	alanz	lukelau, the haddock-api/library were broken for GHC 8.4.2, until hvr published new versions yesterday
2018-05-22 01:28:12	alanz	they would compile, but then segfault in use
2018-05-22 01:28:29	wz1000	alanz: they wouldn't segfault
2018-05-22 01:28:40	lukelau	I thought this was a ghc bug?
2018-05-22 01:28:45	alanz	not? just hang then?
2018-05-22 01:28:47	wz1000	haddocks readIntefaceFile would just return a Left "error"
2018-05-22 01:28:58	alanz	ok
2018-05-22 01:28:58	wz1000	so hie would fallback to hoogle
2018-05-22 01:30:06	alanz	ok
2018-05-22 01:30:25	alanz	so not enough to break operations completely, just dodgy results
2018-05-22 01:30:43	wz1000	yeah, no haddock results
2018-05-22 01:31:16	alanz	And my tests locally are borked because of one of those damn .ghc.environment file. Again.
2018-05-22 01:31:44	wz1000	new-build produces them?
2018-05-22 01:31:47	alanz	yes
2018-05-22 01:32:01	wz1000	is there any way to disable producing them?
2018-05-22 01:32:08	alanz	I think I must make an inotify based watcher that deletes them as soon as they appear
2018-05-22 01:32:12	alanz	no, and that is the problem
2018-05-22 01:32:33	alanz	in future there may be, but at the moment not, and if they are there ghc silently uses them
2018-05-22 01:32:39	lukelau	alanz: 🙄
2018-05-22 01:32:46	wz1000	alanz: if you have a .ghc.environment file, will hie/ghc-mod also pick up on it?
2018-05-22 01:32:58	alanz	and now my tests pass. I really loathe those damn things
2018-05-22 01:33:12	alanz	anything using ghc will, I think
2018-05-22 01:33:30	lukelau	Yeah it caused issues with me as well
2018-05-22 01:33:56	wz1000	alanz: so does that mean that if you are using new-build, and it outputs the correct .ghc.environment, hie will work with the project?
2018-05-22 01:34:01	alanz	the bad thing is that it is just the silent hidden file, that causes odd behaviour
2018-05-22 01:34:24	alanz	no, hie cannot build with new-build
2018-05-22 01:35:02	alanz	but if you do a test compile of hie using new-build, and then delete dist-newstyle, the .ghc.env will still point to packages in it
2018-05-22 01:35:09	wz1000	but if ghc picks up the .ghc.environment file, hie does not need to know about new-build, right?
2018-05-22 01:35:44	alanz	wz1000, possibly, I know there is a problem in that the .ghc.env file is not cabal component aware
2018-05-22 01:35:57	alanz	so for simple projects (only) it may work
2018-05-22 01:36:57	alanz	wz1000, there may be beneficial uses for the things, but at the moment they sort of sneak in and change behaviour. It is very easy to accidentally create one, if you use multiple build systems
2018-05-22 01:36:59	alanz	as I do
2018-05-22 01:37:54	alanz	wz1000, also, I picked up the problem trying to use current master hie on hie itself
2018-05-22 01:38:15	alanz	and it just silently failed, I was trying to jump to a definition.
2018-05-22 01:38:18	wz1000	yeah, i get the issue. it seems like terrible design
2018-05-22 01:38:48	wz1000	what did it fail with?
2018-05-22 01:38:55	alanz	So it is not supported in ghc-mod, not sure how it could be, and the fact that we do not (yet) properly report module load failure means we get an unresponsive hie
2018-05-22 01:39:15	alanz	it failed with the normal thing, simply stops sending reply messages
2018-05-22 01:39:25	alanz	which is what happens when a module does not load
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2018-05-22 01:39:47	alanz	And which is why I was pinging the state of that lifecycle PR earlier today
2018-05-22 01:40:25	alanz	This one: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/568
2018-05-22 01:40:44	alanz	Which I understand will enable better feedback of module loading status
2018-05-22 01:41:37	lukelau	One point in that PR is that there’s currently no way of telling if a module failed loading
2018-05-22 01:42:23	alanz	FYI, this is how it just went unresponsive: https://gist.github.com/alanz/0b18320888a04adc366a021fd874648e
2018-05-22 01:42:56	alanz	lukelau, that is not strictly in the design for it, but I do not want to tackle that while there is pending rework of the loader
2018-05-22 01:43:03	alanz	else merges get too complex
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2018-05-22 01:48:35	wz1000	alanz: did you get anything in stderr/output window in vscode. Because that will say if hie crashed for some reasaon
2018-05-22 01:50:51	alanz	 I was using lsp-mode in emacs
2018-05-22 01:51:25	alanz	but that is the standard problem, hie goes unresponsive, once the ghc-mod thread goes into a wacky state
2018-05-22 01:51:59	alanz	So maybe we can induce it for testing by putting a .ghc.environment file in place. A use for them after all :)
2018-05-22 01:58:24	--	Notice(GitHub43): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #589: Fix initial log message to give hie version, not ghc (master...master) https://git.io/vheQn
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2018-05-22 01:59:56	wz1000	alanz: yeah, hie will send messages to stderr, wherever those happen to go in your setup. In vscode they go to the output window
2018-05-22 02:01:24	alanz	but we actually need to detect that there is a problem, and do something about it, by returning a diagnostic somehow
2018-05-22 02:01:34	alanz	simply going unresponsive is a terrible thing.
2018-05-22 02:01:56	alanz	Especially as you have no way of telling if the load is taking a long time (big project), or has failed
2018-05-22 02:02:26	alanz	In my mind this is the #1 usability problem we have at the moment
2018-05-22 02:03:21	wz1000	yeah
2018-05-22 02:04:02	wz1000	alanz: btw, I'm testing something out - do you have a reasonably old hie.log?
2018-05-22 02:04:39	lukelau	wz1000: The don’t think the output window in vscode is stderr
2018-05-22 02:05:02	lukelau	I think it’s messages from https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specification#window_logMessage
2018-05-22 02:05:16	wz1000	lukelau: vscode dumps stderr there too
2018-05-22 02:05:56	alanz	wz1000, I do not keep them around, but there are various gists floating around
2018-05-22 02:05:58	wz1000	alanz: can you grep for "module already in cache in findDef" and "setting cached module in findDef" in your hie.log
2018-05-22 02:06:06	alanz	except lpaste.net has gone, I think
2018-05-22 02:06:24	wz1000	to see if that codepath is ever reached?
2018-05-22 02:06:31	alanz	it is only from tonight, I deleted it a few times to get a fresh start
2018-05-22 02:06:50	wz1000	because I'm pretty sure we don't need a whole chunk of code in findDef
2018-05-22 02:07:03	alanz	ok
2018-05-22 02:07:21	alanz	But I don't have any older logs
2018-05-22 02:13:04	alanz	I love the way hie gives the generic signature from the docs as well as the specific one for the context it is being used, for hover
2018-05-22 02:14:42	alanz	e.g. return :: Maybe CachedModule -> GM.GmT (GM.GmOutT IdeM) (Maybe CachedModule)
2018-05-22 02:15:03	alanz	AND : return :: forall m ....
2018-05-22 02:35:06	--	Notice(GitHub176): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 opened pull request #590: Remove dead code from findDef and make it async (master...master) https://git.io/vhebe
2018-05-22 02:36:21	alanz	wz1000, it seems that if I do a cabal new-build, and keep both dist-newstyle and the .ghc.environment. then tests pass with both stack and cabal new-build
2018-05-22 02:36:45	alanz	it is only if I delete the dir, but not the .ghc.env file that there is a problem
2018-05-22 02:37:05	alanz	which is known, and being fixed for a future ghc
2018-05-22 02:37:48	--	Notice(GitHub185): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vheb3
2018-05-22 02:37:48	--	Notice(GitHub185): haskell-ide-engine/master b5579da Alan Zimmerman: Fix initial log message to give hie version, not ghc...
2018-05-22 02:37:48	--	Notice(GitHub185): haskell-ide-engine/master 35e98db Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #589 from alanz/master...
2018-05-22 02:37:48	--	Notice(GitHub127): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #589: Fix initial log message to give hie version, not ghc (master...master) https://git.io/vheQn
2018-05-22 02:38:32	wz1000	alanz: does hie work if you have a project with dist-newstly and .ghc.environment, but no dist/ or stack.yaml?
2018-05-22 02:38:48	wz1000	*dist-newstyle
2018-05-22 02:39:26	alanz	I have not tried, tbh. do not expect it to, but let me test
2018-05-22 02:40:49	wz1000	alanz: I also noticed and fixed a subtle bug in finddef
2018-05-22 02:41:01	alanz	wz1000, it builds the stack project, producing .stack-work
2018-05-22 02:41:27	alanz	which is what I expected
2018-05-22 02:41:35	wz1000	what if you don't have a stack.yaml?
2018-05-22 02:41:39	alanz	wz1000, what did you fix?
2018-05-22 02:42:18	wz1000	alanz: when we get a definition location, we use oldRangeToNew from the file find def was called in
2018-05-22 02:42:44	wz1000	but we should have been using oldRangeToNew from the file the definition location is in
2018-05-22 02:43:05	alanz	ok, makes sense
2018-05-22 02:43:27	alanz	And if there is no stack file, we get that load fail ignore further messages behaviour
2018-05-22 02:43:50	alanz	i.e. ghc-mod module loading fails, and we do not have a meaningful way to report it/recover from it
2018-05-22 02:43:56	alanz	as before
2018-05-22 02:44:18	wz1000	I think we should catch SomeException in the dispatcher
2018-05-22 02:44:28	wz1000	so that nothing crashes hie
2018-05-22 02:44:32	alanz	agree
2018-05-22 02:44:39	alanz	it needs to be bulletproof
2018-05-22 02:45:04	alanz	Perhaps take a look at that recent thing from Michael Snoyman about all the ways errors and exceptions can come about
2018-05-22 02:45:08	alanz	and how to catch them
2018-05-22 02:46:05	alanz	https://www.fpcomplete.com/blog/2018/04/async-exception-handling-haskell
2018-05-22 03:00:59	wz1000	alanz: I'm very excited for the space leak fixes in ghc - Is there any easy way to test them with hie?
2018-05-22 03:01:25	alanz	basically use it for a time and see what happens
2018-05-22 03:01:34	alanz	but, we first have to integrate them
2018-05-22 03:01:50	alanz	And I have a hunch we can port that fix into ghc-mod somewhere
2018-05-22 03:02:11	alanz	which can make it available for all hie users immediately
2018-05-22 03:02:20	alanz	rather than waiting for GHC 8.6
2018-05-22 03:02:59	wz1000	alanz: I'm asking if there's any way to use a ghc built with those fixes with hie now
2018-05-22 03:03:00	alanz	But I think it is likely there are multiple sources of leaks that need to be plugged
2018-05-22 03:03:27	alanz	no, pretty sure not. And that fix is only in ghci, I think, which we do not link against
2018-05-22 03:03:48	wz1000	alanz: I think that fix went in LoadIface, which hie should be using
2018-05-22 03:04:01	wz1000	i could see nothing ghci specific in that patch
2018-05-22 03:04:17	alanz	hmm, LoadIFace
2018-05-22 03:05:03	alanz	sorry, I misread it then, when I first looked
2018-05-22 03:05:48	alanz	I suspect the best way to check would be to backport it to GHC 8.4.2, and try it that way
2018-05-22 03:06:00	alanz	or lobby for it to be in GHC 8.4.3
2018-05-22 03:07:43	wz1000	I just tried a `cabal new-build -w ghc/inplace/bin/ghc-stage2 --allow-newer` just in case it somehow magically worked
2018-05-22 03:08:28	alanz	and?
2018-05-22 03:08:30	wz1000	but it fails with some weird error
2018-05-22 03:08:31	wz1000	: getDirectoryContents:openDirStream: does not exist (No such file or directory)
2018-05-22 03:08:49	wz1000	while building Data.Byteable
2018-05-22 03:09:16	alanz	there are so many moving parts, from stack to cabal helper to ghc-mod to making sure all the deps support the library, that I find it highly unlikely we can make it work
2018-05-22 03:09:39	alanz	Best bet would be a private GHC 8.4.2 build, with that patch cherry-picked onto it
2018-05-22 03:09:58	alanz	and then build and use the installer for it
2018-05-22 03:11:14	wz1000	I should probably sleep now
2018-05-22 03:11:17	wz1000	good night
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2018-05-22 11:25:50	--	Notice(GitHub11): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #590: Remove dead code from findDef and make it async (master...master) https://git.io/vhebe
2018-05-22 11:25:50	--	Notice(GitHub184): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/vhvRO
2018-05-22 11:25:50	--	Notice(GitHub184): haskell-ide-engine/master 42e3110 Zubin Duggal: Remove dead code from findDef and make it async
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2018-05-23 23:15:20	--	Notice(GitHub91): [haskell-ide-engine] Anrock opened pull request #592: Document useHieWrapper for VSCode in README (master...hiewrapper-readme) https://git.io/vhT0y
2018-05-23 23:44:22	--	Notice(GitHub32): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vhTz5
2018-05-23 23:44:22	--	Notice(GitHub32): haskell-ide-engine/master 6f7d0d9 Vladislad Shtepin: Document useHieWrapper for VSCode in README
2018-05-23 23:44:22	--	Notice(GitHub32): haskell-ide-engine/master 9ccba95 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #592 from Anrock/hiewrapper-readme...
2018-05-23 23:44:23	--	Notice(GitHub75): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #592: Document useHieWrapper for VSCode in README (master...hiewrapper-readme) https://git.io/vhT0y
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2018-05-24 01:45:52	lukelau	Are code actions working for anyone else on master? Specifically trying to apply the “evaluate” hint on `foo = id 3`
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2018-05-24 01:49:03	alanz	lukelau, nope
2018-05-24 01:49:50	 *	alanz we need a solid functional test suite, emulating client actions
2018-05-24 01:49:51	alanz	:)
2018-05-24 01:53:22	alanz	lukelau, it works under emacs, with emacs-lsp
2018-05-24 01:53:34	alanz	so the vscode client is broken. Damn.
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2018-05-24 01:55:40	lukelau	It was working on MacVim for me, vs code just seems to be the issue
2018-05-24 01:58:13	alanz	yes, just made an issue for it now, cc'd you 
2018-05-24 01:58:22	lukelau	alanz: 👍
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2018-05-24 09:17:33	imfractical	hello
2018-05-24 09:32:37	imfractical	is anyone here
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2018-05-25 20:56:56	fendor	any updates on using hie on nixos?
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2018-05-25 21:02:52	--	Notice(GitHub196): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vhtCq
2018-05-25 21:02:53	--	Notice(GitHub196): haskell-ide-engine/master 185ce46 Alan Zimmerman: Note build dependencies on linux...
2018-05-25 21:05:23	lukelau	alanz: Thanks! I was super confused with the functional tests, they had all passed but CI failed since it returned exit code 1. I guess it must have just been timing out?
2018-05-25 21:06:42	alanz	Well, tbh, I don't understand how they worked before. The dispatcher needs to run as a process, which was not happening, and does not seem to be happening on the master branch either
2018-05-25 21:07:24	alanz	I have not had a chance to check why it is hanging up on normal use though
2018-05-25 21:07:43	lukelau	Oh so that just wasn’t me
2018-05-25 21:07:58	lukelau	Are they supposed to take 20 minutes as well?
2018-05-25 21:10:20	alanz	what?
2018-05-25 21:10:54	alanz	Just looking at your latest commit.  handleResponse is repeating all the cancelled logic that just happened. So it can be stripped out
2018-05-25 21:13:22	lukelau	Strip out handleResponse itself or just the part that checks for if its cancelled? I wanted to check if it was cancelled before the action was run
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2018-05-25 21:14:56	alanz	if you look just above, the handleResponse is only called in the else leg after checking for cancel
2018-05-25 21:15:02	alanz	it is then redoing the cancel check
2018-05-25 21:18:26	lukelau	The cancellation request might have come in during the time it takes to run the action though right?
2018-05-25 21:19:08	alanz	true
2018-05-25 21:19:14	 *	alanz looking again
2018-05-25 21:19:49	alanz	Maybe add a comment to that effect
2018-05-25 21:20:22	alanz	or call the var "cancelledWhileRunningAction" instead of cancelled
2018-05-25 21:20:31	alanz	so it is clear why we are doing it
2018-05-25 21:22:08	alanz	and you should do "stack test" and get a pass before committing ...
2018-05-25 21:24:12	lukelau	My bad
2018-05-25 21:24:49	lukelau	I’m getting bombarded with circleCI emails here, hopefully you aren’t as well
2018-05-25 21:26:57	sclv	wz1000: any updates on gsoc work for this week?
2018-05-25 21:28:48	lukelau	alanz: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/594/commits/86edbcb6615497d71250f72d0add18423f618841 I made a helper function and added a comment
2018-05-25 21:28:59	lukelau	To make it more clear for the second call
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2018-05-25 21:38:55	alanz	ok
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2018-05-25 21:46:23	lukelau	alanz: I remember the reason why I used FilePath instead of uri, the UriCaches are indexed by FilePath
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2018-05-25 22:47:40	wz1000	sclv: ping
2018-05-25 22:48:08	sclv	ay
2018-05-25 22:48:56	wz1000	So I've started collecting type information
2018-05-25 22:49:01	wz1000	and it seems to be working so far
2018-05-25 22:49:34	wz1000	but I've been trying to combine the traverals of RenamedSource and TypecheckedSource and am a bit stuck
2018-05-25 22:49:41	wz1000	*traversals
2018-05-25 22:49:53	wz1000	just a minute, let me commit and upload what I have so far
2018-05-25 22:51:30	wz1000	sclv: https://github.com/haskell/haddock/compare/ghc-8.4...wz1000:ghc-8.4
2018-05-25 22:52:40	wz1000	this is the entrypoint: https://github.com/haskell/haddock/compare/ghc-8.4...wz1000:ghc-8.4#diff-26c1a7938060728c338b980346b23f8cR757
2018-05-25 22:53:58	wz1000	so the thing is, all the ToHie instances compile if I use GhcRn instead of GhcTc
2018-05-25 22:54:47	wz1000	but I still have to figure out what constraints I need to put to make them work for both at the same time
2018-05-25 22:55:48	wz1000	and I guess it will need Undecidable instances
2018-05-25 22:56:07	wz1000	can you think of a better way to do this?
2018-05-25 22:59:30	wz1000	also, I've changed the collection phase to generate a flat list of HieAST, and I'm going to rely on mergeSortAsts to combine it into a proper tree
2018-05-25 23:00:45	wz1000	got to go for a bit, lemme know what you think
2018-05-25 23:09:39	sclv	i'm afraid i don't understand the question/issue fully
2018-05-25 23:10:25	sclv	i guess its that you have things like `instance ToHie (HsValBindsLR GhcTc GhcTc) where` and you want to swap `GhcTc` for some type with the appropriate constraints, but you're not sure what constraints
2018-05-25 23:10:38	sclv	and the issue is also that this might cause undecidable instances to fire
2018-05-25 23:10:50	sclv	tbh i think there's no benefit to avoiding undecidable instances here
2018-05-25 23:10:55	sclv	and wouldn't worry about it
2018-05-25 23:12:05	sclv	the way i would "solve" figuring out the constraints necessary is just to swap `GhcTc` for `a` at the lowest possible nodes, and see what constraints the compiler complained to me about
2018-05-25 23:12:23	sclv	but i could also use a reminder why we want to traverse _both_ trees again
2018-05-25 23:12:29	sclv	i remember this came up before, but i forget :-)
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2018-05-25 23:15:41	alanz	wz1000, be aware that some elements are different for renamed vs typechecked. In particular the stuff ending Out
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2018-05-25 23:21:25	wz1000	alanz: yeah, I realized. I have different instances that should be invoked for renamed/typechecked where they differ, and that should hopefully take care of it
2018-05-25 23:21:36	alanz	ok
2018-05-25 23:22:22	wz1000	alanz: btw, is TTG going to reflect these changes in the type?
2018-05-25 23:22:28	wz1000	or is that out of scope?
2018-05-25 23:23:09	wz1000	sclv: Renamed has a lot structure that is lost in Typechecked. In particular, type signatures, class definitions, instance definitions, data declarations and so on
2018-05-25 23:28:21	alanz	wz1000, it does, for most, need to wrap up the rest, hopefully via Shayan's GSOC
2018-05-25 23:31:15	sclv	wz1000: gotcha. i guess the question for me is more how you combine the two?
2018-05-25 23:31:27	sclv	like are they always just going to be different nested things in your result
2018-05-25 23:31:43	sclv	or will you have two results from renamed and typechecked that need to be literally merged?
2018-05-25 23:31:56	wz1000	sclv: mergeSortAsts sorts them out according to SrcSpan
2018-05-25 23:32:00	sclv	(also, doing the sorting and tree-building last sounds good to me -- seems cleaner than having to interleave everywhere)
2018-05-25 23:32:02	sclv	right
2018-05-25 23:32:13	sclv	my question is if you run it on renamed and on typechecked both
2018-05-25 23:32:17	sclv	what if they share the same srcspan?
2018-05-25 23:32:22	sclv	is that possible?
2018-05-25 23:32:24	alanz	in my mind (and in other tooling) you use the ParsedSource to identify origins of things, and then the Renamed/TypeChecked to see what they have become
2018-05-25 23:32:41	sclv	and if it is, is it a problem, or is it desired behavior?
2018-05-25 23:32:46	sclv	and one arbitrarily nests inside the other?
2018-05-25 23:32:51	wz1000	the plan is to just append the results of renamed and typechecked and then sort them
2018-05-25 23:33:06	sclv	ok, and if there's two with the same srcspan that's fine?
2018-05-25 23:33:08	wz1000	sclv: I have some logic to combine stuff that shares the same srcspan
2018-05-25 23:33:12	alanz	that does happen. A chain of stuff in the AST all with the same SrcSpan
2018-05-25 23:33:13	sclv	ah, gotcha!
2018-05-25 23:33:20	sclv	then sgtm
2018-05-25 23:33:35	wz1000	sclv: see combineAst and combineNodeInfo
2018-05-25 23:33:36	alanz	which is why ghc-exactprint indexes on (SrcSpan,constructor)
2018-05-25 23:33:49	alanz	where constructor is from Typeable or whatever
2018-05-25 23:34:46	wz1000	sclv: so for something like class C a where f :: a -> Int; f = const 3
2018-05-25 23:35:05	wz1000	the type info about f, const , 3 will come from the typechecked source
2018-05-25 23:35:30	wz1000	the Names of C, a, ->, Int will come from the renamed source
2018-05-25 23:35:55	wz1000	and thing like class, where will be marked as keywords by the lexer
2018-05-25 23:36:05	wz1000	(which also goes into the mix btw)
2018-05-25 23:36:09	sclv	cool
2018-05-25 23:36:24	wz1000	the file is a combination of lexed tokens, renamed source and typechecked source
2018-05-25 23:55:13	wz1000	sclv: another thing
2018-05-25 23:55:18	wz1000	see this: https://github.com/haskell/haddock/compare/ghc-8.4...wz1000:ghc-8.4#diff-26c1a7938060728c338b980346b23f8cR603
2018-05-25 23:56:00	wz1000	to get the type of expressions(and all subexpressions), we compile it down to core
2018-05-25 23:56:09	wz1000	this is how ghc-mod also does it
2018-05-25 23:56:18	wz1000	seems quite wasteful
2018-05-25 23:57:15	alanz	the desugar core generation is pretty mechanical though, I think. No optimisation or anything
2018-05-26 00:03:14	sclv	wz1000: you should email ghc-devs asking if there are other approaches
2018-05-26 00:03:25	sclv	this seems fine for now, but i'd be interested in an answer on that too!
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2018-05-26 14:31:41	alanz	It will be good to build this in some time : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDgshr-oc14&feature=youtu.be (typed hole substitution). Or is it that danglinng PR?
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2018-05-26 23:41:19	alanz	lukelau, see https://github.com/Bubba/haskell-ide-engine/pull/2
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2018-05-27 15:31:01	jophish	Hi all
2018-05-27 15:32:31	jophish	Does HIE have any functionality to automatically add imports? for example if I get the error "missing identifier "pack :: String -> Text"" I can, with the click of a button, add "import Data.Text (pack)" to my module
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2018-05-27 15:36:28	alanz	jophish, not yet. There is a PR for that in the vscode client, but eventually I would like to see it as a server feature
2018-05-27 15:37:06	alanz	And unfortunately the effort at the moment is more on making it robust with what it has, than on adding new features
2018-05-27 16:04:49	jophish	Cool, it would be nice to see in the future!
2018-05-27 16:04:57	jophish	Thank you for all the hard work on this project too!
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2018-05-27 19:01:10	anrock	Hey guys. Something happened with my HIE @ 9ccba959f (maybe earlier). In hie log i see that it receives didOpen, didSave and other events but it doesn't respond with publishDiagnostics ever and i'm 100% sure that current filehave errors
2018-05-27 19:01:42	anrock	Anything i can check to see what's happening exactly?
2018-05-27 19:02:17	anrock	hie.log: https://bpaste.net/show/2b7bb05403e9
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2018-05-27 20:43:15	lukelau	anrock: is it a big project?
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2018-05-27 23:39:32	alanz	wz1000, lukelau I am going to push the button on that PR
2018-05-27 23:40:55	--	Notice(GitHub40): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 46 new commits to master: https://git.io/vhmGE
2018-05-27 23:40:56	--	Notice(GitHub40): haskell-ide-engine/master 80bd02d Luke Lau: Rework IdeResponse into monad with deferred type
2018-05-27 23:40:56	--	Notice(GitHub40): haskell-ide-engine/master f5f1b20 =: Split out IdeResponse into IdeResponse and IdeResult...
2018-05-27 23:40:56	--	Notice(GitHub40): haskell-ide-engine/master 84ae5b7 =: Fix up Hoogle
2018-05-27 23:40:57	--	Notice(GitHub96): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #594: Add deferred responses and move error/callback handling into dispatcher (master...ide-response-deferred) https://git.io/vhIQM
2018-05-27 23:41:26	lukelau	🎉
2018-05-27 23:43:25	alanz	lukelau, my next step is to sort out that codeAction filter for hlint, it is causing things to hang
2018-05-27 23:43:36	alanz	And actually solving the wrong problem
2018-05-27 23:43:47	lukelau	Yeah it slows things down a lot
2018-05-27 23:43:51	lukelau	It was a bad idea in retrospect
2018-05-27 23:44:19	alanz	never mind, a learning experience. I should have looked more closely too
2018-05-27 23:45:36	wz1000	wow, those are a lot of commits
2018-05-27 23:46:34	lukelau	Time to start watching the issues pour in
2018-05-27 23:46:35	alanz	I was surprised too, but I think it was a lot of feeling his way/learning too
2018-05-27 23:46:48	alanz	myself, I would rather see lots of commits than too few
2018-05-27 23:48:28	alanz	one advantage of using cabal new-build is the cost of switching branches is less.
2018-05-27 23:48:48	alanz	I just blew away my .stack-work, and it is recompiling the world for current master
2018-05-28 00:02:29	lukelau	alanz: How does the client determine what diagnostics to send over with https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specification#textDocument_codeAction
2018-05-28 00:03:10	alanz	we send the diagnostics to the client, the client sends them back
2018-05-28 00:03:20	alanz	so we have not need to ask for them again
2018-05-28 00:03:32	alanz	so I am going to toss that function and the call to it
2018-05-28 00:03:35	lukelau	Don’t diagnostics include warnings and errors though
2018-05-28 00:04:10	alanz	yes, so the user puts there cursor on a line, all the diagnostics pertainig to that line get sent to the server
2018-05-28 00:04:30	alanz	and then the server can go through them and generate code actions for some subset of them
2018-05-28 00:04:51	lukelau	Did we just filter out and keep just info diagnostics?
2018-05-28 00:04:52	alanz	and in this case, if the diagnostic is an hlint Eta reduce, we must removeit
2018-05-28 00:05:13	alanz	I don't understand your question
2018-05-28 00:05:38	lukelau	Previously we didn’t return any code actions for warning/error diagnostics
2018-05-28 00:06:36	lukelau	But I’m looking at the original PR here https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/548/files and it looks like we just provided commands for all the diagnostics that were included in the request
2018-05-28 00:06:40	alanz	we should only return for hlint ones, whatever we had before was right
2018-05-28 00:07:43	alanz	This line: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/548/files#diff-5a655777ea47d968463741fc0e8bdbfcL545
2018-05-28 00:07:52	alanz	made sure it was only hlint stuff
2018-05-28 00:08:25	lukelau	Perfect
2018-05-28 00:08:31	alanz	I am going to make a PR for a change to it
2018-05-28 00:08:54	lukelau	hlint provides some information about what diagnostics can be actioned on, but we throw it away when generating diagnostics
2018-05-28 00:09:34	alanz	ok, that's good to know
2018-05-28 00:09:35	lukelau	I’m thinking we could change the source property or something similar whenever we generate the diagnostics in the first place, so that whenever we get the code action request we can just immediately return a response
2018-05-28 00:09:49	lukelau	Without having to make that second request
2018-05-28 00:09:51	alanz	yes, that is the idea
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2018-05-28 00:47:36	wz1000	an alternative approach could be making a pr to apply-refact so that it exposes what actions have a refactoring
2018-05-28 00:48:43	wz1000	btw, a pending issue is to somehow get access to mapped files in the IdeM monad.
2018-05-28 00:49:12	wz1000	So that things like apply-refact and brittany can run in the IdeM thread instead of the IdeGhcM thread
2018-05-28 00:49:40	alanz	wz1000, I am using a non-null value for the ideaRefactoring in     http://hackage.haskell.org/package/hlint-2.1.5/docs/Language-Haskell-HLint3.html#t:Idea
2018-05-28 00:50:09	wz1000	since that should only really be used for compiling stuff and interacting directly with ghc
2018-05-28 00:50:12	alanz	and working a type through all the way into haskell-lsp to say if there is a code action associated with a diagnostic or not
2018-05-28 00:50:32	alanz	wz1000, I agree
2018-05-28 00:50:44	alanz	it is our scarce resource, we must use it sparingly
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2018-05-28 01:38:11	--	Notice(GitHub82): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #593: Register possible commands for excecuteCommand (master...master) https://git.io/vhk6a
2018-05-28 01:38:11	--	Notice(GitHub34): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/vhmC1
2018-05-28 01:38:11	--	Notice(GitHub34): haskell-ide-engine/master 4dc40ca Alan Zimmerman: Register possible commands for excecuteCommand...
2018-05-28 01:38:11	--	Notice(GitHub34): haskell-ide-engine/master e6eae7c Alan Zimmerman: Remove additional dynamic command registration....
2018-05-28 01:38:11	--	Notice(GitHub34): haskell-ide-engine/master dfbe861 Alan Zimmerman: Merge branch 'master' of github.com:haskell/haskell-ide-engine
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2018-05-28 17:59:37	--	Notice(GitHub112): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vhY3M
2018-05-28 17:59:37	--	Notice(GitHub112): haskell-ide-engine/master 52c0e71 Alan Zimmerman: CodeAction request is now faster...
2018-05-28 17:59:37	--	Notice(GitHub112): haskell-ide-engine/master 0bd9d7b Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #597 from alanz/filter-hints...
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2018-05-29 01:51:25	alanz	It think we may finally have a solution to the "silent hang" problem in hie. https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/600
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2018-05-29 13:40:10	alanz	@wz1000, are you happy with my update? If so I am keen to merge when CI passes
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2018-05-29 14:15:21	wz1000	alanz: yup
2018-05-29 14:15:40	alanz	great, pushing the button now
2018-05-29 14:16:02	alanz	And there goes one of the biggest usability problems ...
2018-05-29 14:16:03	--	Notice(GitHub134): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/vhOli
2018-05-29 14:16:04	--	Notice(GitHub134): haskell-ide-engine/master 70d7a3a Alan Zimmerman: Wrap exception handler around module loading....
2018-05-29 14:16:04	--	Notice(GitHub134): haskell-ide-engine/master 74dde46 Alan Zimmerman: Use window/showMessage instead of window/logMessage...
2018-05-29 14:16:04	--	Notice(GitHub134): haskell-ide-engine/master 495418c Alan Zimmerman: Catch a list of exceptions, excluding SomeException
2018-05-29 14:16:06	--	Notice(GitHub83): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #600: Wrap exception handler around module loading. (master...module-load-exception) https://git.io/vhYF0
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2018-05-30 18:26:35	Tehnix	I keep hearing people complaining about tools (other than GHCID) don't scale to larger projects well
2018-05-30 18:26:54	Tehnix	I vaguely remember it being something with GHCi memory-leaking. Do we have any active issues on that?
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2018-05-30 20:03:55	wz1000	Tehnix: https://phabricator.haskell.org/rGHCf27e4f624fe1270e8027ff0a14f03514f5be31b7
2018-05-30 20:04:03	wz1000	should be in ghc 8.6
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2018-05-30 21:11:05	lukelau	alanz: From 8.4.3 notes: “By popular demand, GHC now logs a message when it reads a package environment file, hopefully eliminating some of the confusion wrought by this feature.”
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2018-05-30 21:14:51	alanz	yes, I saw that. An we missed having the memory fix, because bgamari missed it
2018-05-30 21:15:47	bgamari	sadly true
2018-05-30 21:16:45	lukelau	How often are these bug fix releases?
2018-05-30 21:17:35	bgamari	alanz, well, to be clear, no one marked the ticket as merged
2018-05-30 21:18:21	bgamari	lukelau, I suspect 8.4.3 will be the last release until 8.6.1 unless something terrible happens
2018-05-30 21:18:33	bgamari	but 8.6.1 is quickly approaching
2018-05-30 21:18:49	lukelau	What happened to 8.6.0?
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2018-05-30 21:19:07	bgamari	lukelau, the first release of a major series is always .1
2018-05-30 21:20:15	alanz	bgamari, it just struck me that 8.6.1 is imminent
2018-05-30 21:20:21	alanz	which is great
2018-05-30 21:20:51	 *	alanz needs to start doing the ghc-exactprint / HaRe dance again
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2018-05-31 10:35:29	--	Notice(GitHub193): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #602: Document dispatch (master...patch-2) https://git.io/vhZGQ
2018-05-31 10:36:04	--	Notice(GitHub3): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba closed pull request #577: Add option to record client and server interactions (master...record-client) https://git.io/vppT3
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2018-05-31 11:13:57	--	Notice(GitHub49): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #603: Fix TextDocumentContentChangeEvents getting applied in the wrong order (master...textedit-fix) https://git.io/vhZnl
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2018-05-31 11:36:43	wz1000	lukelau: to fix those issues you should take a look at https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/VFS.hs
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2018-05-31 12:20:38	lukelau	wz1000: just opened a PR for it https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/88
2018-05-31 12:20:56	wz1000	nice
2018-05-31 12:21:01	alanz	lukelau, I am just looking at thay
2018-05-31 12:21:07	alanz	looks good so far
2018-05-31 12:21:21	 *	alanz had assumed he had gone to bed by now
2018-05-31 12:22:15	wz1000	lukelau: have you tested the HIE positionMap changes?
2018-05-31 12:22:26	wz1000	you would need to do multiline redos and undos
2018-05-31 12:22:38	lukelau	3am is peak productive time
2018-05-31 12:22:38	wz1000	check if hover works as expected
2018-05-31 12:22:52	lukelau	Doing a build of hie with that branch of haskell-lsp now
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2018-05-31 12:24:31	alanz	I am *so* looking forward to having those kinds of tests captured, and run via this infrastructure
2018-05-31 12:27:02	alanz	lukelau, that change looks good.
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2018-05-31 12:31:56	alanz	lukelau, I did some investigation of the vscode sync problem at some point, and traced it down to vscode sending multiple/junk edit events for a single char insert
2018-05-31 12:32:37	lukelau	alanz: Yeah it can’t come soon enough! Which change looks good?
2018-05-31 12:33:58	alanz	the latest vscode plugin has a new version, which updated the deps. Hopefully that sorts it out.
2018-05-31 12:34:04	alanz	The PR on haskell-lsp
2018-05-31 12:34:09	alanz	#88
2018-05-31 12:37:19	lukelau	alanz: Is this the discussion you were talking about? https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/pull/279
2018-05-31 12:37:51	alanz	btw my investigation is here: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/538#issuecomment-385711174
2018-05-31 12:38:55	alanz	lukelau, that must be later clarification. If so, then we need to do it that way
2018-05-31 12:39:38	lukelau	alanz: Ok, with these two fixes that should cover the text syncing issues!
2018-05-31 12:39:41	alanz	it was confusing before, hence the need for clarification
2018-05-31 12:39:42	lukelau	That we’re at least aware of
2018-05-31 12:39:48	alanz	great, thanks.
2018-05-31 12:47:44	lukelau	wz1000: Position map changes seem to work
2018-05-31 12:48:48	wz1000	nice
2018-05-31 12:51:18	lukelau	Is there any troubleshooting for ghc-mod not being able to find Test.Hspec
2018-05-31 12:51:47	lukelau	Inside test-suites
2018-05-31 12:55:15	wz1000	I'm not aware. dxld might know
2018-05-31 12:55:38	wz1000	can you reproduce it with ghc-mod check?
2018-05-31 12:55:47	wz1000	the ghc-mod cmd tool that is
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2018-05-31 13:01:54	lukelau	Same error
2018-05-31 13:02:08	lukelau	This is on ghc-mod version 5.9.0.0 compiled by GHC 8.4.2
2018-05-31 13:02:23	lukelau	And it’s on haskell-lsp/test/VspSpec
2018-05-31 13:06:03	wz1000	dxld: ^^
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2018-05-31 13:56:52	thomashoneyman_	hey folks! i've just installed hie for vscode and it's lovely.
2018-05-31 13:57:00	thomashoneyman_	however I do prefer to use ghcid over ghcmod.
2018-05-31 13:57:11	thomashoneyman_	is it possible to disable ghcmod so I can just run ghcid in a terminal?
2018-05-31 13:57:29	thomashoneyman_	the other features are all excellent
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2018-05-31 14:43:44	Tehnix	I think HIE is heavily dependent on ghc-mod for a lot of its features (type information etc) (someone correct me if I'm wrong)
2018-05-31 14:44:08	Tehnix	That said, there's nothing stopping you from just using HIE normally and then having GHCID running in your terminal besides
2018-05-31 14:44:22	Tehnix	thomashoneyman_: is it a resource issue?
2018-05-31 14:45:00	Tehnix	Or, is it because you don't want HIE to report warnings/errors in the problems pane?
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2018-05-31 20:23:37	Naughtmare[m]	alanz: Is it true that hie doesn't respond to some request messages when an error occurs? See https://github.com/noughtmare/haskell-lsp-client/pull/7#issuecomment-393547576.
2018-05-31 20:24:14	alanz	Naughtmare[m], that got fix in the last week
2018-05-31 20:24:49	alanz	we did not have an exception handler around the call to load a module, and if the load failed for e.g. bad package dir the worker thread died
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2018-05-31 20:25:02	alanz	which meant no more responses to anything needing ghc
2018-05-31 20:25:48	alanz	In terms of the specifics of the CompletionRequest, I will take a look. It is supposed to always respond
2018-05-31 20:27:13	alanz	and the hie code shows it should always respond (now that the exception handler is fixed)
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2018-05-31 22:42:34	lukelau	Got this weird error about ghc not being initialized https://gist.github.com/Bubba/e8e530846a76720e78773815e81810de
2018-05-31 22:43:04	lukelau	What conditions are there in that ghc wouldn’t be started by this point?
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2018-05-31 23:20:14	alanz	lukelau, where are you calling that? it needs to be in the ghcDispatcher
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2018-05-31 23:57:46	lukelau	alanz: That’s just a snippet from Haddock.hs:86:16
2018-05-31 23:57:56	lukelau	I’m not sure where its being called from
2018-05-31 23:58:00	alanz	ok
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2018-06-01 00:41:51	lukelau	alanz: I just pushed a commit that updates haskell-lsp in that branch
2018-06-01 00:42:17	lukelau	Just need to make sure the build passes
2018-06-01 00:42:26	lukelau	And I think that should fix it
2018-06-01 00:42:29	alanz	ok, I saw the tests are pending. Great
2018-06-01 00:44:03	--	Notice(GitHub183): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #604: Bump ghc-mod (master...master) https://git.io/vhn7E
2018-06-01 00:45:09	lukelau	I think something funny is going on with GitHub CI
2018-06-01 00:45:32	lukelau	Some PRs were showing up as having 0 checks and https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/604 is only testing 8.2.2 for some reason
2018-06-01 00:45:34	alanz	what make you say that?
2018-06-01 00:45:48	alanz	the feedback is weird as it runs
2018-06-01 00:46:10	alanz	I think it has to do with circle queuing the test, and gh only reports running ones
2018-06-01 00:46:53	alanz	and, the checks already ran against my master repo, so they do not get run again
2018-06-01 00:49:02	alanz	see https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-ide-engine
2018-06-01 00:49:47	alanz	lukelau, or https://circleci.com/workflow-run/a98182fe-aaf2-40b6-9a74-d2dddd75925a
2018-06-01 00:55:01	alanz	hmm, missing libicu on the circle test runner.
2018-06-01 00:55:08	alanz	for haskell-lsp
2018-06-01 01:05:35	lukelau	Uh oh
2018-06-01 01:06:39	lukelau	Does rerunning it change anything?
2018-06-01 01:07:26	lukelau	Is it possible to clear the cache for circle CI
2018-06-01 01:07:45	alanz	no, I think the underlying docker image is borked, pinged AlexeyRaga who referred to the image we use
2018-06-01 01:08:22	alanz	it is, but not sure how. I think you have to do it by pushing a build plan that does it. Or that was how it was a few months ago
2018-06-01 01:11:09	alanz	otherwise I can ssh to the box, and blow it away
2018-06-01 01:12:24	lukelau	Is that the quay.io/haskell_works/stack-build-icu image?
2018-06-01 01:13:13	alanz	yes
2018-06-01 01:13:33	alanz	but it might be the stack cache for text, I will see if I can kill it. via ssh
2018-06-01 01:17:55	alanz	lukelau, I have blown away ~/.stack on the CI box, doing "stack setup 8.0.2", then will try run the tests
2018-06-01 01:18:43	alanz	not sure how that ends up clearing the cache though
2018-06-01 01:27:21	alanz	and the tests pass if I do that.  Now to find out how to actually clear the cache
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2018-06-01 02:46:03	alanz	lukelau, I commented out the cache restore, the tests now pass. Will replace it. It's a crappy way to do things
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2018-06-01 02:54:11	lukelau	alanz: Sorry was away, does this affect the build times much?
2018-06-01 02:54:43	alanz	well, I put it back, and it is still broken.
2018-06-01 02:54:55	alanz	It doesn't but good to use it anyway
2018-06-01 02:55:24	alanz	I think my next step is to put a version number in the cache key, and just increment it every time this kind of thing happens
2018-06-01 02:55:44	lukelau	Can we not just use the previous docker image?
2018-06-01 02:56:29	lukelau	I’m not exactly sure how images work on Circle CI, is there a way to pin versions
2018-06-01 02:56:59	alanz	the docker image is fine, the cache is stale, for some reason
2018-06-01 02:57:47	lukelau	So you turned off the cache to force it to store new updated cache
2018-06-01 02:58:04	lukelau	But after reenabling the cache it went to the old one again?
2018-06-01 02:59:04	lukelau	Did it ever get stored in the first place? “Skipping cache generation, cache already exists for key stack-cache-arch1-linux-amd64-6_62-ghc-8.0.2-iu8iFPO4cAawfoFvMlhds4+PWV7meRDGVTJYwYoVWnc=”
2018-06-01 03:00:00	alanz	I just changed the cache key. See my latest commit
2018-06-01 03:01:02	lukelau	👍
2018-06-01 03:01:27	alanz	hopefully I got it everywhere.
2018-06-01 03:01:44	lukelau	Spectating the build at the moment
2018-06-01 03:01:47	alanz	If not, you are welcome to fiddle until you get it right. I am off to bed now
2018-06-01 03:02:14	lukelau	Ok
2018-06-01 03:02:18	lukelau	Good night!
2018-06-01 03:02:30	alanz	just added you as a collaborator
2018-06-01 03:02:38	alanz	cheers
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2018-06-01 09:40:10	wz1000	lukelau: that error will happen if you haven't even tried to load a file into ghc. ghc-mod does lazy initialization, setting up the GHC session the first time we try to compile a file
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2018-06-01 09:41:45	lukelau	wz1000: Ok, I’m not worried about it though, I’ve only come across it once
2018-06-01 09:41:46	wz1000	that error shouldn't occur in practice because we always receive `didOpen` requests which trigger the loading process before we recieve any hover events which trigger haddock
2018-06-01 09:42:55	lukelau	By the way, are you experiencing that renaming via HaRe fails every second time?
2018-06-01 09:43:00	lukelau	With "Couldn't get typechecked module for blah.hs"
2018-06-01 09:43:18	lukelau	It fails every time when running it from the command line
2018-06-01 09:43:34	lukelau	I’m poking at ghc-mod to see whats going on
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2018-06-01 12:15:45	--	Notice(GitHub33): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #605: Makefile submodule update (master...makefile-submodule-update) https://git.io/vhcry
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2018-06-01 16:32:21	--	Notice(GitHub58): haskell-ide-engine/master ca81c71 Alan Zimmerman: Bump ghc-mod
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2018-06-01 16:32:38	--	Notice(GitHub1): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #605: Makefile submodule update (master...makefile-submodule-update) https://git.io/vhcry
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2018-06-01 16:32:38	--	Notice(GitHub36): haskell-ide-engine/master 81571ed Alan Zimmerman: Add build target dependency to update submodules...
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2018-06-01 16:33:56	--	Notice(GitHub18): haskell-ide-engine/master 8dc1c87 Luke Lau: Document dispatch...
2018-06-01 16:33:56	--	Notice(GitHub18): haskell-ide-engine/master c61d2df Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #602 from Bubba/patch-2...
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2018-06-01 17:45:31	--	Notice(GitHub127): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #603: Fix TextDocumentContentChangeEvents getting applied in the wrong order (master...textedit-fix) https://git.io/vhZnl
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2018-06-01 17:45:32	--	Notice(GitHub144): haskell-ide-engine/master fb05c8d Luke: Fix textdocumentcontentchangeevents getting applied in the wrong order...
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2018-06-02 09:28:24	sclv	wz1000: didn't hear much from you this week btw
2018-06-02 09:28:27	sclv	how has it been going
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2018-06-02 10:29:03	wz1000	sclv: I should have a full traversal of the entire HsSyn AST ready by today evening.
2018-06-02 10:29:23	sclv	great
2018-06-02 10:29:23	wz1000	which means stuff should progress faster now that I have most of the boring and tedious stuff out of the way
2018-06-02 10:29:46	sclv	makes sense, thanks for the update
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2018-06-02 12:22:18	wz1000	sclv, bgamari: n_loc for names of functions is usually just the SrcSpan of their identifier location, but for things definied in clasess, n_loc spans over the entire binding.
2018-06-02 12:23:05	wz1000	so if you have foo = something; n_loc f would be 1:1-4
2018-06-02 12:24:02	wz1000	but if you have class C a where;  foo :: a -> Int; foo = const 1; n_loc foo would be 3:3-17
2018-06-02 12:24:19	wz1000	any idea why this is the case?
2018-06-02 12:24:42	sclv	wz1000: you should ask on the ghc_devs list
2018-06-02 12:26:01	sclv	wz1000: also i think its probably a bug
2018-06-02 12:26:05	sclv	or a misfeature at least
2018-06-02 12:26:27	sclv	and if you open a trac ticket about the inconsistency, they'd probably be open to changing it
2018-06-02 12:26:49	wz1000	ok
2018-06-02 12:31:46	sclv	probably the bndr_loc passed in here: https://github.com/ghc/ghc/blob/b1386942e63ba5fe4b2da27f5025afdf80356392/compiler/typecheck/TcClassDcl.hs#L226
2018-06-02 12:32:27	sclv	coming from https://github.com/ghc/ghc/blob/b1386942e63ba5fe4b2da27f5025afdf80356392/compiler/typecheck/TcClassDcl.hs#L226
2018-06-02 12:32:34	wz1000	this is the case even in the renamed source
2018-06-02 12:32:45	sclv	or rather coming from findMethodBind here: https://github.com/ghc/ghc/blob/b1386942e63ba5fe4b2da27f5025afdf80356392/compiler/typecheck/TcClassDcl.hs#L367
2018-06-02 12:34:13	sclv	i don't know enough to say, but maybe the loc from the _ instead of the one taken on line 379 is better?
2018-06-02 12:34:51	sclv	or maybe that's backwards and its worse
2018-06-02 12:35:24	wz1000	its the location inside the name, in n_loc thats wrong
2018-06-02 12:35:40	wz1000	not occurence loaction in Located Name
2018-06-02 12:35:53	wz1000	Names carry their definition location
2018-06-02 12:38:13	wz1000	this thing: https://github.com/ghc/ghc/blob/b1386942e63ba5fe4b2da27f5025afdf80356392/compiler/basicTypes/Name.hs#L113
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2018-06-02 15:29:34	--	Notice(GitHub35): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #609: Add support for GHC 8.4.3 (master...ghc-8.4.3) https://git.io/vhWlS
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2018-06-02 16:15:48	wz1000	sclv: https://github.com/haskell/haddock/compare/ghc-8.4...wz1000:ghc-8.4
2018-06-02 16:16:37	wz1000	finally done with the traversal
2018-06-02 16:28:31	wz1000	and it doesn't work
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2018-06-02 16:34:15	wz1000	ok, it doesn't work because an import declaration for Prelude is automatically generated at position L1C1
2018-06-02 16:36:06	wz1000	which messes with the invariants of the tree
2018-06-02 16:43:08	wz1000	sclv: sample output: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/f7879f1004c6b9a4bf9e1d52c4ed330b
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2018-06-02 23:18:42	--	Notice(GitHub129): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #611: Also catch IOError, for when cabal-helper fails. (master...518-hover) https://git.io/vhWK6
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2018-06-02 23:27:01	alanz	lukelau, I'm on a new machine. Guess who forgot to setup their global git config :)
2018-06-02 23:28:07	lukelau	alanz: Happens to the best of us, apparently
2018-06-02 23:28:13	alanz	so it seems
2018-06-02 23:28:37	alanz	I was wondering why a commit I pushed earlier did not seem to be from me. :)
2018-06-02 23:29:15	lukelau	Hahaha
2018-06-02 23:29:30	lukelau	By the way I did it again this week, had to use https://stackoverflow.com/questions/750172/how-to-change-the-author-and-committer-name-and-e-mail-of-multiple-commits-in-gi#1320317
2018-06-02 23:33:27	alanz	ok, nice to know that exists
2018-06-02 23:45:12	mxf	I have gone through some of the tickets to find me one I could maybe tackle and saw multiple (what looked like to me) stale ones. Should I just add a new comment to those?
2018-06-02 23:46:00	--	Notice(GitHub174): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #612: Add session capturing (master...capturing) https://git.io/vhW6i
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2018-06-03 00:00:05	--	Notice(GitHub48): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vhWiO
2018-06-03 00:00:05	--	Notice(GitHub48): haskell-ide-engine/master 897bd30 Alan Zimmerman: Also catch IOError, for when cabal-helper fails....
2018-06-03 00:00:05	--	Notice(GitHub48): haskell-ide-engine/master e1b6786 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #611 from alanz/518-hover...
2018-06-03 00:00:06	--	Notice(GitHub89): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #611: Also catch IOError, for when cabal-helper fails. (master...518-hover) https://git.io/vhWK6
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2018-06-03 14:06:01	--	Notice(GitHub107): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #613: 610 backport handlers (hie-0.1.0.0...610-backport-handlers) https://git.io/vhWjJ
2018-06-03 14:06:41	--	Notice(GitHub25): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #613: 610 backport handlers (hie-0.1.0.0...610-backport-handlers) https://git.io/vhWjJ
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2018-06-03 14:06:41	--	Notice(GitHub58): haskell-ide-engine/hie-0.1.0.0 7eb4a09 Alan Zimmerman: Update makefile to update submodules before building
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2018-06-03 14:06:41	--	Notice(GitHub58): haskell-ide-engine/hie-0.1.0.0 3002790 Alan Zimmerman: Put version number in cache keys, to force fresh cache
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2018-06-03 16:07:51	--	Notice(GitHub60): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 6 new commits to master: https://git.io/vhlfW
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2018-06-03 16:08:04	--	Notice(GitHub102): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #608: Update to GHC 8.4.3 (master...master) https://git.io/vhCDX
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2018-06-03 18:13:48	--	Notice(GitHub8): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #617: Add a global message tracking number, for logging (master...improve-logging) https://git.io/vhlku
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2018-06-03 18:51:19	alanz	wz1000, are you ok with the message tracking number PR?
2018-06-03 18:51:26	alanz	#617
2018-06-03 18:54:20	wz1000	looking
2018-06-03 18:55:23	alanz	wz1000:turn on "ignore whitespace", I had to indent the core loop
2018-06-03 18:57:04	wz1000	seems fine
2018-06-03 18:57:15	wz1000	I don't really understand the purpose though
2018-06-03 18:57:28	wz1000	we already have lsp ids
2018-06-03 18:57:45	alanz	I was trying to track down the problem in https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/issues/59#issuecomment-394052951
2018-06-03 18:58:03	alanz	and it is not clear which request causes the failure to load the typechecked module
2018-06-03 18:58:48	alanz	So it helps when you examine a log to see exactly when a given request is processed in the ghcDispatcher, wrt cancellations and all
2018-06-03 18:58:58	wz1000	hmm. You can just log the document version, right?
2018-06-03 18:59:03	alanz	especially as most GhcRequests do not have LspIds
2018-06-03 18:59:24	alanz	I would rather track the request number. It is not inferred from anything else
2018-06-03 18:59:32	alanz	so can be relied on directly
2018-06-03 19:03:02	wz1000	ghc requests would have document versions though, mostly
2018-06-03 19:04:43	alanz	the "mostly" is the problem :)
2018-06-03 19:05:02	alanz	I think there are benefits, and the overheads are not high
2018-06-03 19:05:29	alanz	Especially as I seem to spend a significant amount of time analysing logs
2018-06-03 19:05:58	alanz	which is why I am hoping the work lukelau is doing is going to end up being generally useful too
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2018-06-03 20:01:03	--	Notice(GitHub59): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #617: Add a global message tracking number, for logging (master...improve-logging) https://git.io/vhlku
2018-06-03 20:01:06	--	Notice(GitHub186): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vhlme
2018-06-03 20:01:06	--	Notice(GitHub186): haskell-ide-engine/master 7975426 Alan Zimmerman: Add a global message tracking number, for logging...
2018-06-03 20:01:06	--	Notice(GitHub186): haskell-ide-engine/master ccab2ba Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #617 from alanz/improve-logging...
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2018-06-03 20:25:19	lukelau	alanz: This is a welcome addition, should make the logs easier to digest!
2018-06-03 20:25:36	alanz	thanks, I agree
2018-06-03 20:26:01	alanz	but not the wire logs, it has no effect on the actual messages
2018-06-03 20:26:57	lukelau	I haven’t been able to recreate https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/562#issuecomment-394167031 by the way, as far as I’m aware that compiler bug is still there, did you downgrade the haddock libraries to fix it?
2018-06-03 20:27:47	alanz	lukelau, I fixed it: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/562#issuecomment-390740080
2018-06-03 20:28:15	lukelau	I saw, I don’t understand though what exactly caused it to go away
2018-06-03 20:28:21	alanz	the GHC 8.4.1 haddock libs were not compatible with 8.4.2, they published new ones
2018-06-03 20:28:32	alanz	so for ghc 8.4.2 we use the new libs
2018-06-03 20:28:55	alanz	compare the haddock lib versions in the stack.yaml for 8.4.1 and 8.4.2
2018-06-03 20:29:03	lukelau	Ok
2018-06-03 20:29:08	alanz	:)
2018-06-03 20:29:40	alanz	so we should probably just close it. Let's see if newhoggy has anything to say
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2018-06-03 20:49:35	lukelau	These recent fixes have been great, it runs pretty stable on HIE itself now
2018-06-03 21:03:25	alanz	yes, been focusing on stability. Its important
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2018-06-04 17:23:21	--	Notice(GitHub84): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #615: Do not process the textDocument/didSave notification (master...ignore-didsave-notification) https://git.io/vhlUl
2018-06-04 17:23:25	--	Notice(GitHub15): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vh8Ir
2018-06-04 17:23:25	--	Notice(GitHub15): haskell-ide-engine/master eb19800 Alan Zimmerman: Rebase, and tweak
2018-06-04 17:23:25	--	Notice(GitHub15): haskell-ide-engine/master c417204 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #615 from alanz/ignore-didsave-notification...
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2018-06-04 20:18:10	alanz	lukelau, I think I am going to add a test sequence for the failed / deferred loading, then apply your branch to show that it fixes it.
2018-06-04 20:18:35	alanz	And at times like this I wish I could easily put a scenario together, and just run it. 
2018-06-04 20:18:41	 *	alanz have patience
2018-06-04 20:20:40	alanz	and there is no need to add me to your repo, I just set you as an extra remote and pull. git *is* federated after all
2018-06-04 20:40:36	lukelau	alanz: haskell-lsp-test can’t come soon enough!
2018-06-04 20:40:45	alanz	agree
2018-06-04 20:41:00	alanz	But I am enjoying identifying places where it will be useful
2018-06-04 20:41:04	lukelau	alanz: I think I added a test in functional.hs for failed responses but I doesn’t test the cache being flushed
2018-06-04 20:41:38	lukelau	*it
2018-06-04 20:43:24	alanz	ok, will take a look
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2018-06-05 01:05:10	--	Notice(GitHub79): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #621: Manage deferred requests when module loading fails (master...deferred-response-failures-rebased) https://git.io/vh8Nf
2018-06-05 01:11:18	alanz	lukelau, take a look at that PR, it is your stuff, with a few minor tweaks
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2018-06-05 01:48:30	lukelau	alanz: looking now
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2018-06-05 14:20:05	Tehnix	Think we need a "Getting Started" or something, with HIE. Hope I didn't say anything incorrect here <https://github.com/onivim/oni/pull/1918#issuecomment-394631939>
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2018-06-05 14:40:18	--	Notice(GitHub33): [haskell-ide-engine] Tehnix created document-spacemacs (+1 new commit): https://git.io/vh41q
2018-06-05 14:40:18	--	Notice(GitHub33): haskell-ide-engine/document-spacemacs a981a63 Christian Kjaer Laustsen: Document setting up HIE with Spacemacs and Oni
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2018-06-05 14:42:00	--	Notice(GitHub16): haskell-ide-engine/document-spacemacs b34b9d6 Christian Kjaer Laustsen: Remove stray 'along' in README
2018-06-05 14:42:59	--	Notice(GitHub30): [haskell-ide-engine] Tehnix opened pull request #622: Document setting up HIE with Spacemacs and Oni (master...document-spacemacs) https://git.io/vh410
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2018-06-05 22:51:52	--	Notice(GitHub173): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #621: Manage deferred requests when module loading fails (master...deferred-response-failures-rebased) https://git.io/vh8Nf
2018-06-05 22:51:52	--	Notice(GitHub198): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 6 new commits to master: https://git.io/vhBXy
2018-06-05 22:51:52	--	Notice(GitHub198): haskell-ide-engine/master 6d9984b Luke: Handle failures during deferred responses...
2018-06-05 22:51:52	--	Notice(GitHub198): haskell-ide-engine/master 880f9c3 Luke: Fix unhandled UriCache pattern match
2018-06-05 22:51:52	--	Notice(GitHub198): haskell-ide-engine/master 02e8cb7 Alan Zimmerman: Minor tweaks
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2018-06-05 22:52:43	--	Notice(GitHub133): haskell-ide-engine/master c34c08e Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #622 from haskell/document-spacemacs...
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2018-06-06 00:24:35	wz1000	sclv: I've moved development to this branch, and I've got it compiling against ghc-head. https://github.com/haskell/haddock/compare/ghc-head...wz1000:hiefile
2018-06-06 00:25:32	wz1000	I wasted about a day trying to merge haddocks ghc-head and ghc-8.4 branches, since they've diverged significantly
2018-06-06 00:26:02	wz1000	then I gave up and mostly decoupled my changes from haddock
2018-06-06 00:26:18	wz1000	so that I could work against ghc-head
2018-06-06 00:27:52	wz1000	alanz: btw, I'm really liking the TTG changes
2018-06-06 00:33:36	alanz	wz1000, great. And we are only getting started
2018-06-06 00:34:04	alanz	and take a look at https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/ImplementingTreesThatGrow/HandlingSourceLocations
2018-06-06 00:34:27	alanz	I am about to update it to talk about ApiAnnotations, to be followed by ghc-exactprint type stuff
2018-06-06 00:34:37	alanz	comments welcome
2018-06-06 00:36:30	wz1000	alanz: can you get rid of UnhelpfulSrcSpan altogether?
2018-06-06 00:37:02	alanz	I am not sure where they come from, so don't know
2018-06-06 00:37:14	wz1000	when something says it has a SrcSpan, it should actually have a SrcSpan, not a fake one
2018-06-06 00:37:14	alanz	but it would be good to have them go.
2018-06-06 00:37:48	alanz	yes, but I think sometimes stuff is generated, and then gets a pile of noLoc stuff in it
2018-06-06 00:37:50	wz1000	like you said, exprs generated by TH don't have srcspans
2018-06-06 00:37:59	alanz	e.g. all the auto derived stuff
2018-06-06 00:38:06	wz1000	so it would be great if the type reflected that
2018-06-06 00:38:49	alanz	true. Not quite sure how that would happen though.  Maybe have GhcPass Generated
2018-06-06 00:39:04	alanz	together with GhcPass Parsed, Renamed, Typechecked
2018-06-06 00:39:15	wz1000	yeah, something like that
2018-06-06 00:40:55	wz1000	or even have two parameters for GhcPass
2018-06-06 00:41:02	wz1000	GhcPass Located Renamed
2018-06-06 00:41:13	wz1000	GhcPass Unlocated Typechecked
2018-06-06 00:41:21	wz1000	and so on
2018-06-06 00:41:38	wz1000	idk, just throwing out ideas
2018-06-06 00:41:54	alanz	I know the plan was to limit the number of things in there, to manage the complexity. But that does make sense
2018-06-06 00:42:04	alanz	and now is the time to put the ideas out there
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2018-06-06 00:45:19	power-fungus	Hello, I am currently trying to use haskell-ide-engine in atom. But it does not do anything. The wrapper selects the correct version for ghc-8.2.2 and I get debug output in /tmp/hie.log that indicates that hie gets the requests from the editor. But formatting does not terminate and no hints or highlights are displayed. I would like to help fix this issue, but am unable to track down what the problem is.
2018-06-06 00:46:27	alanz	power-fungus, to be honest I have no idea of the level of support in atom
2018-06-06 00:46:53	alanz	which client are you using? Perhaps raise an issue against it
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2018-06-06 00:48:39	wz1000	power-fungus: you should check the stderr output
2018-06-06 00:48:52	wz1000	see if that says anything
2018-06-06 00:49:27	power-fungus	how can I intercept that?
2018-06-06 00:49:39	wz1000	I don't know where atom puts it
2018-06-06 00:50:20	wz1000	maybe replace the hie executable called by atom with a script that puts stderr somewhere, or modify the wrapper?
2018-06-06 01:02:26	alanz	wz1000, I updated that wiki page, did I get the right idea?
2018-06-06 01:10:32	wz1000	looks good.
2018-06-06 01:10:55	wz1000	I would really like if SrcSpan could be completely replaced by RealSrcSpan
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2018-06-06 01:11:55	alanz	well, lets see what comes of that discussion
2018-06-06 01:36:02	power-fungus	it works now, using the now-newest version on master
2018-06-06 01:36:45	alanz	of hie?
2018-06-06 01:36:51	power-fungus	yes
2018-06-06 01:36:54	alanz	great
2018-06-06 01:37:58	power-fungus	also, I set the cabal_helper_libexecdir in the meantime, which might be also the reason it now works
2018-06-06 01:38:25	power-fungus	but in the logs, I saw no complaint that is was missing. In vscode, it did complain that it was missing...
2018-06-06 01:38:32	power-fungus	* in the vscode console
2018-06-06 02:00:29	alanz	ok
2018-06-06 02:00:59	alanz	what kind of project are you building? stack? cabal only? and if so, what version of cabal?
2018-06-06 02:03:23	power-fungus	stack
2018-06-06 02:03:34	power-fungus	lts 11.3
2018-06-06 02:03:52	power-fungus	stack 1.7.1
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2018-06-06 02:04:44	alanz	ok, that is an odd problem. But it is working now, that is the main thing
2018-06-06 02:05:11	power-fungus	yeah, it stopped working some minutes ago
2018-06-06 02:05:46	power-fungus	i got a look at the stderr: hie-8.2.2: user error (Failed to find requested hint files:  /home/power-fungus/.local/bin/data/hlint.yaml)
2018-06-06 02:19:16	power-fungus	and now it works again... I dont get it
2018-06-06 02:19:23	power-fungus	there is no way to reproduce erroros
2018-06-06 02:19:27	power-fungus	*errors
2018-06-06 02:19:32	power-fungus	(for me=
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2018-06-06 16:24:36	ggVGc	is it possible to send a range to ghcmod-type?
2018-06-06 16:24:50	ggVGc	sorry, ghcmod:type I meant
2018-06-06 16:24:57	ggVGc	it seems the vscode plugin doesn't?
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2018-06-06 17:10:45	wz1000	sclv, bgamari: ping
2018-06-06 17:11:43	bgamari	wz1000, pong
2018-06-06 17:13:06	wz1000	bgamari: so I've been running my AST generation stuff on everything in ghc:HEAD
2018-06-06 17:13:31	wz1000	and I've come across some code that violates the invariants
2018-06-06 17:13:50	wz1000	ghc-prim/GHC/Tuple.hs
2018-06-06 17:14:08	wz1000	line 34 onwards: data (a,b) = (a,b)
2018-06-06 17:14:10	bgamari	wz1000, which invariants are these?
2018-06-06 17:14:29	wz1000	I assume that the SrcSpans of names never overlap
2018-06-06 17:14:57	wz1000	but here (,) gets srcspan spanning data `(a,b)`
2018-06-06 17:15:00	bgamari	ahh
2018-06-06 17:15:02	bgamari	yikes
2018-06-06 17:15:04	bgamari	right
2018-06-06 17:15:06	bgamari	good catch
2018-06-06 17:15:23	wz1000	so I'm not sure how to proceed
2018-06-06 17:16:09	wz1000	how is that stuff parsed in the first place?
2018-06-06 17:18:41	wz1000	I guess when two leaf nodes overlap, I can turn the larger one into a Node that contains the other
2018-06-06 17:18:55	wz1000	or I could special case this somehow
2018-06-06 17:19:46	bgamari	well well
2018-06-06 17:20:51	wz1000	bgamari: another thing: I'm getting linker errors "undefined reference to <symbol in new file>" when I've added some files to utils/haddock, and the only solution I've found is to manually add the new modules to dist/package-data.mk
2018-06-06 17:21:09	wz1000	What is the proper way of getting the build system to pick up on my new files?
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2018-06-06 17:24:51	bgamari	so I guess my quesetion is what is the trouble with overlapping spans?
2018-06-06 17:25:35	bgamari	wz1000, regarding your second issue, have you added the modules to the cabal file?
2018-06-06 17:25:44	wz1000	yes
2018-06-06 17:26:04	wz1000	./configure and ./config.status don't seem to help either
2018-06-06 17:27:01	bgamari	interesting
2018-06-06 17:27:33	bgamari	I would have thought make would realize that the cabal file has changed and regenerate package-data.mk
2018-06-06 17:27:54	wz1000	I tried nuking dist/ too, doesn't seem to help
2018-06-06 17:29:29	wz1000	aaah
2018-06-06 17:29:52	wz1000	bgamari: I added the modules to haddock-api.cabal
2018-06-06 17:29:55	bgamari	this is the `haddock` library in particular?
2018-06-06 17:29:57	wz1000	not to haddock.cabal
2018-06-06 17:29:58	wz1000	yes
2018-06-06 17:31:48	bgamari	mm
2018-06-06 17:32:05	bgamari	i'm afraid I need to go take a shower and leave
2018-06-06 17:32:14	bgamari	but I'll be back in about 15 minutes
2018-06-06 17:33:09	wz1000	Ok, it seems to work now that I added them to haddock.cabal
2018-06-06 17:34:33	bgamari	ahh good
2018-06-06 17:34:48	bgamari	While I am gone: what is the trouble with overlapping spans?
2018-06-06 17:37:47	wz1000	well, I assume names are only defined at Leaf nodes in the AST because all the Tokens that come from the lexer get turned into Leaf nodes, and I assumed that Names always correspond to some Token
2018-06-06 17:38:07	wz1000	but that assumption is obviously wrong.
2018-06-06 17:38:15	wz1000	So I will have to rework the AST a bit
2018-06-06 17:38:51	wz1000	maybe elminating special Leaf nodes altogether
2018-06-06 17:39:01	wz1000	and just have Nodes with no children
2018-06-06 17:39:26	wz1000	and make it so that Names can be associated to arbitary nodes, not just leaf nodes
2018-06-06 17:46:51	wz1000	bgamari: any way, how is the stuff in GHC.Tuple even parsed? why doesn't ghc complain about "Illegal binding of built-in syntax" or something
2018-06-06 17:59:39	bgamari	ahh
2018-06-06 18:00:04	bgamari	wz1000, I think the parser has a tuple case
2018-06-06 18:00:23	bgamari	and later we check to make sure that such a constructor can only be defined in GHC.Tuple
2018-06-06 18:04:48	bgamari	wz1000, see https://git.haskell.org/ghc.git/blob/HEAD:/compiler/rename/RnEnv.hs#l151
2018-06-06 18:05:03	bgamari	the parser injects the tuple constructor as an Exact name
2018-06-06 18:05:11	bgamari	wz1000, the renamer looks for this case
2018-06-06 18:05:58	bgamari	and if the name is builtin syntax and we aren't compiling the module which the constructor should be defined in, we throw the error
2018-06-06 18:07:25	wz1000	ah
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2018-06-06 23:33:30	bgamari	wz1000, pong
2018-06-06 23:39:36	wz1000	bgamari: theres another problem with overlapping spans, but this time the spans don't contain each other
2018-06-06 23:39:49	wz1000	The typechecked source isn't respecting the original source structure
2018-06-06 23:39:52	wz1000	consider this
2018-06-06 23:39:59	wz1000	foo a b = (bar a) b
2018-06-06 23:40:19	wz1000	because of these lines in TcExpr.hs
2018-06-06 23:40:22	wz1000	-tcApp m_herald (L _ (HsPar _ fun)) args res_ty
2018-06-06 23:40:22	wz1000	-  = tcApp m_herald fun args res_ty
2018-06-06 23:40:44	wz1000	the HsPar is essentially ignored by the typechecker
2018-06-06 23:41:32	wz1000	so in the typechecker we get an HsApp at the marked source span: foo a b = (|bar a) b|
2018-06-06 23:42:21	wz1000	but in the renamed source, we have an HsApp like so: foo a b = |(bar a) b|
2018-06-06 23:43:13	bgamari	wz1000, Could you remind me where your HIE file AST can be found?
2018-06-06 23:43:13	alanz	wz1000, original the hspar was stripped right at the parsedsource, but I made them all explicit. And they pretty much get ignored in later phases, and/or completely removed
2018-06-06 23:43:46	wz1000	bgamari: https://github.com/haskell/haddock/compare/ghc-head...wz1000:hiefile
2018-06-06 23:44:37	bgamari	great
2018-06-06 23:46:00	bgamari	hmm
2018-06-06 23:48:01	wz1000	so now we have two options - either get the typechecker to respect the original source structure, or figure out another way to annotate the AST generated by the renamed source with type information
2018-06-06 23:48:50	alanz	I think the latter is more likely to succeed
2018-06-06 23:49:22	 *	bgamari trusts alanz's assessment on this
2018-06-06 23:49:37	alanz	Because I think there are a number of other transformations in the TypeChecked source that throw away traceability
2018-06-06 23:49:43	bgamari	that is quite possible
2018-06-06 23:49:49	alanz	constraints, etc, I think
2018-06-06 23:50:12	bgamari	and frankly we may not want to pay the cost of maintaining all of this metadata
2018-06-06 23:50:37	alanz	Renamed also makes changes, but it is more about re-ordering declarations in binds, that sort of thing
2018-06-06 23:51:06	bgamari	so I guess the question is how else do you reconstruct the type information
2018-06-06 23:51:35	alanz	For Hare, the information is accessed as : ParsedSource for 1:1 on original location, Renamed source for names.  Then fiddle around to get types
2018-06-06 23:51:53	alanz	An ID has a name in it, and a type
2018-06-06 23:52:14	alanz	so if we keep the right symbol table around it may be enough
2018-06-06 23:52:43	alanz	wz1000, what types are you wanting to look up? Of names, or arbitrary location?
2018-06-06 23:53:06	alanz	And aside, there is code in ghc-mod to pull out a type from an arbitrary location
2018-06-06 23:53:06	wz1000	all exprs and subexprs in the renamed source
2018-06-06 23:53:17	alanz	ok, that makes sense. 
2018-06-06 23:53:25	wz1000	alanz: I just tested out HIE on foo a b = (bar a) b
2018-06-06 23:53:37	alanz	Perhaps have a look at what is happening in ghc-mod, and see how it can be applied here
2018-06-06 23:53:44	alanz	and?
2018-06-06 23:54:13	wz1000	we can't get a type for just (bar a)
2018-06-06 23:54:27	wz1000	we either get it for bar, a or (bar a b)
2018-06-06 23:55:01	alanz	and that is an artifact of how the types are actually constructed
2018-06-06 23:55:17	wz1000	I do pretty much the same thing in the HIE files thing that ghc mod does
2018-06-06 23:55:48	alanz	so I suspect that to get the (bar a) type you would have to actually pull it out, and check that
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2018-06-07 00:03:35	wz1000	But since the typechecked source throws away information on parenthesis, I can't actually pull out (bar a) since I don't know if the parenthesis are acutally their
2018-06-07 00:04:04	wz1000	*there
2018-06-07 00:04:39	wz1000	And I ran the ast generator on a bunch of code, and this paren thing is the only place where it seems to trip up
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2018-06-07 00:05:49	alanz	I mean pull it out in the sense of let foo = bar a in foo b
2018-06-07 00:05:56	wz1000	I think it could be doable to modify ghc to preserve parens in typechecked source
2018-06-07 00:06:20	alanz	possibly, but it is likely a yak for your GSOC work
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2018-06-07 00:06:35	alanz	Perhaps note it as a problem, and come back to it later if you have time
2018-06-07 00:07:13	wz1000	the issue is that it causes my ast generator to crash because it violates the invariant that srcspans do not overlap
2018-06-07 00:07:22	alanz	because I think the type-checking algorithm may have some assumptions about parens, and it is *hairy* code
2018-06-07 00:07:35	wz1000	(|bar a) b| vs |(bar a) b|
2018-06-07 00:07:53	wz1000	the first in the typechecked and the second in the renamed
2018-06-07 00:08:31	wz1000	ok, maybe I can merge the typechecked source with the renamed source on a best effort basis
2018-06-07 00:08:51	alanz	I do not believe you are going to be able to match the ASTs 1:1 like that
2018-06-07 00:09:06	alanz	Otherwise, toss the parens in typechecked before generating
2018-06-07 00:09:20	alanz	they are effectively ignored anyway
2018-06-07 00:09:33	alanz	and exist only for error printing, I think
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2018-06-07 03:19:04	lukelau	Even more exciting: https://gist.github.com/Bubba/3528a31fde40c400b583a57951a71352
2018-06-07 03:19:16	lukelau	I made `Chan` an instance of `Stream`
2018-06-07 03:19:32	lukelau	So now we should be able to parse as messages come in from the server
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2018-06-07 11:32:55	alanz	lukelau, sounds good
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2018-06-07 22:25:55	lukelau	alanz: woops never realised I posted this in the channel
2018-06-07 22:27:22	lukelau	Either way I got this up and working: https://gist.github.com/Bubba/d339a315d4e79f2798b88d37c286249e
2018-06-07 22:28:11	lukelau	Its amazing you can just use regular Text.Parsec functions like `skipMany`
2018-06-07 22:28:19	lukelau	Those wrapper types are bit hairy though
2018-06-07 22:28:38	lukelau	NotPublishDiagnostics/RspDocumentSymbols etc.
2018-06-07 22:39:20	alanz	lukelau, the whole point of parsec is that they are combinators, so can be used anywhere
2018-06-07 22:39:22	alanz	as you have found
2018-06-07 22:40:21	alanz	and posting in this channel is good, it is for hie afterall
2018-06-07 22:42:10	lukelau	Should I forward export the combinators so that whatever uses haskell-lsp-test doesn’t need to add text.parsec as a dependency
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2018-06-07 23:39:27	alanz	possibly. Lets see where the whole thing ends up first
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2018-06-08 18:49:58	--	Topic for #haskell-ide-engine is "https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine. Still not an IDE. | Logs at http://ircbrowse.net/browse/haskell-ide-engine"
2018-06-08 18:49:58	--	Topic set by alanz (alanz@gateway/shell/firrre/x-hlvsyshveclrenlt) on Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:40:57
2018-06-08 18:49:58	--	Channel #haskell-ide-engine: 60 nicks (1 op, 0 voices, 59 normals)
2018-06-08 18:50:09	--	Channel created on Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:10:19
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2018-06-08 21:33:47	wz1000	bgamari, sclv: how do I handle #includes? GHC reports their SrcSpans as they are from the original file itself
2018-06-08 21:34:10	wz1000	should I ignore all SrcSpans that are not from the current file?
2018-06-08 22:10:09	alanz	wz1000, that's what I do.
2018-06-08 22:10:14	 *	alanz CPP must die
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2018-06-08 22:56:33	sclv	wz1000: yeah. we had a discussion on a ticket about this too iirc?
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2018-06-08 22:58:08	sclv	wz1000: https://github.com/haskell/haddock/issues/715#issuecomment-388987224
2018-06-08 22:58:54	sclv	that's not quite the same issue i think
2018-06-08 22:58:58	sclv	anyway, ignoring for now sounds fine
2018-06-08 22:59:04	sclv	we can always have a better solution as future work
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2018-06-08 23:08:29	wz1000	sclv: that is slightly different. It had to do with #ifdefs.
2018-06-08 23:08:40	wz1000	mergeSortAsts can combine ASTs already
2018-06-08 23:09:13	wz1000	so if we have .hie files generated that took different CPP paths, it should be easy to merge them into a single file
2018-06-08 23:09:31	sclv	gotcha
2018-06-08 23:10:14	sclv	wz1000: actually i think it might make sense, as future work (not for the first pass) to include sections in the hie file
2018-06-08 23:10:17	sclv	for information from includes
2018-06-08 23:10:47	sclv	just like after the main segement
2018-06-08 23:10:55	sclv	have an "included sections" segment for each other file
2018-06-08 23:11:04	sclv	i can imagine an ide might make use of that at some point
2018-06-08 23:11:27	sclv	or if its easy enough you could toss it in now
2018-06-08 23:11:36	sclv	like we're designing a fresh format
2018-06-08 23:11:44	sclv	no reason to start throwing away information from it
2018-06-08 23:12:35	wz1000	ok
2018-06-08 23:20:49	wz1000	btw, all the pretty printed ASTs for everything in compiler/ and libraries/ take about 300mb of disk space, but just around 13mb when gzipped.
2018-06-08 23:22:03	--	Notice(GitHub5): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #623: Use yi-rope-0.11 from hackage (master...master) https://git.io/vhg6e
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2018-06-09 00:51:48	bgamari	wz1000, hmm
2018-06-09 00:51:52	bgamari	CPP is indeed tricky
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2018-06-09 14:47:17	wz1000	bgamari: https://github.com/wz1000/ghc/commit/69e2542912924693b96408e3812aa6831dce4503
2018-06-09 14:47:35	wz1000	its kind of messy
2018-06-09 14:47:40	wz1000	but it works
2018-06-09 14:48:28	wz1000	but tcSeq and tcTagToEnum don't produce HsTypeAppOut either
2018-06-09 14:49:21	wz1000	Typeapplications for those two are dropped in the TypecheckedSource, unlike every other function
2018-06-09 14:49:29	wz1000	should I fix that too?
2018-06-09 14:50:10	wz1000	It doesn't really effect the HieAST stuff because it only processes type applications in the renamed source
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2018-06-09 14:52:40	wz1000	and it doesn't really mess up the srcspans like the HsPar stuff
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2018-06-09 15:43:54	wz1000	bgamari: Ok, that last commit was horribly wrong
2018-06-09 15:44:18	wz1000	But I think this fix is done from my side
2018-06-09 15:44:20	wz1000	https://github.com/ghc/ghc/compare/master...wz1000:master
2018-06-09 15:44:48	wz1000	I will try to upload to phabrictor by this evening
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2018-06-09 21:49:10	thkoch	Hi. Is there any HIE contributor at ZuriHac? I'd like to assess whether it's the right time to start Debian packaging of HIE (which requires a hackage release first)
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2018-06-09 22:56:08	alanz	thkoch, I would love to be there, but not.
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2018-06-11 01:17:11	--	Notice(GitHub150): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #627: Hie wrapper (master...hie-wrapper) https://git.io/vhasA
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2018-06-11 02:25:04	circleci-bot	Failed: alanz's build (#721; push) in alanz/haskell-ide-engine (hie-wrapper) -- https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/721?utm_campaign=chatroom-integration&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_source=irc
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2018-06-11 12:31:16	--	Notice(GitHub170): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #627: Hie wrapper (master...hie-wrapper) https://git.io/vhasA
2018-06-11 12:31:17	--	Notice(GitHub156): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/vharG
2018-06-11 12:31:17	--	Notice(GitHub156): haskell-ide-engine/master 286f28d Alan Zimmerman: First pass at hie-wrapper.
2018-06-11 12:31:18	--	Notice(GitHub156): haskell-ide-engine/master d3ad430 Alan Zimmerman: Clean up hie wrapper
2018-06-11 12:31:18	--	Notice(GitHub156): haskell-ide-engine/master 620cbaa Alan Zimmerman: Fix picking up straight ghc version
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2018-06-11 20:21:53	--	Notice(GitHub54): haskell-ide-engine/master c048dbe Alan Zimmerman: Update README to include the hie-wrapper...
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2018-06-11 22:55:16	SomeGuy	hi all quick question, I'm trying to run hie in vim8 with a stack based project and hie seems to not recognize test dependencies
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2018-06-11 22:55:40	SomeGuy	it will compile the core project just fine, but if I load a test file it will not find the test modules
2018-06-11 22:55:44	SomeGuy	any suggestions?
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2018-06-11 23:22:39	alanz	SomeGuy, do "stack test" first
2018-06-11 23:22:49	alanz	so they get configured/built
2018-06-11 23:23:05	alanz	or "stack test --build-only", or whatever it is
2018-06-11 23:25:06	SomeGuy	@alanz yes I did that, it just sometimes does not seem to pick that up
2018-06-11 23:25:19	SomeGuy	i usually have to make a file change and then it works
2018-06-11 23:26:23	SomeGuy	also i was wondering if there was away to auto show the selection ui when there is an error/warning. Does not seem to occur atm, have to use copen/cclose.
2018-06-11 23:26:49	alanz	I do not know the vim8 client, so can't comment on that
2018-06-11 23:26:57	lukelau	SomeGuy: What language client are you using?
2018-06-11 23:26:58	SomeGuy	ah ok. Thx
2018-06-11 23:27:12	SomeGuy	https://github.com/autozimu/LanguageClient-neovim
2018-06-11 23:27:18	SomeGuy	@lukelau ^
2018-06-11 23:28:32	lukelau	SomeGuy: Apparently you can use some autocmd bindings? https://github.com/autozimu/LanguageClient-neovim/issues/173
2018-06-11 23:28:44	lukelau	autocmd with LanguageClientDiagnosticsChanged
2018-06-11 23:29:15	SomeGuy	hmm ok thx, guess its not just an option right now
2018-06-11 23:29:21	SomeGuy	at least i didn't miss anything
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2018-06-12 00:29:29	sclv	wz1000: reminder -- you need to fill out your first evaluation on the project soon
2018-06-12 00:29:33	sclv	(within the next few days)
2018-06-12 00:29:44	sclv	google is very strict about this!
2018-06-12 00:40:59	alanz	by friday, is it?
2018-06-12 00:54:13	alanz	Just did mine for lukelau 
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2018-06-12 01:06:24	lukelau	alanz: Do those PRs seem ready to merge?
2018-06-12 01:06:54	alanz	I will take a look now
2018-06-12 01:07:13	alanz	I guess I need to start at haskell-lsp
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2018-06-12 01:12:09	lukelau	I’ll need to update the hie branch to point to the alanz/haskell-lsp remote instead of my fork
2018-06-12 01:12:31	alanz	just merged it. I think it would be better to do that
2018-06-12 01:15:58	alanz	lukelau, see https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-lsp/165
2018-06-12 01:17:41	lukelau	alanz: Just saw that
2018-06-12 01:17:50	lukelau	Looks like a different version of aeson?
2018-06-12 01:18:08	lukelau	Oh wait thats a different error than the 8.0.2 one
2018-06-12 01:18:09	lukelau	https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-lsp/166?utm_campaign=vcs-integration-link&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=github-build-link
2018-06-12 01:18:09	alanz	building it locally to check if it is circle or the PR
2018-06-12 01:19:06	lukelau	Ditto
2018-06-12 01:19:28	alanz	8.4.3 passes
2018-06-12 01:19:38	lukelau	Locally?
2018-06-12 01:19:40	alanz	we may have to bump the cache keys
2018-06-12 01:19:41	alanz	yes
2018-06-12 01:19:49	lukelau	Oh dear
2018-06-12 01:20:19	alanz	I see there is an extra circle.yml?
2018-06-12 01:20:37	lukelau	Where?
2018-06-12 01:20:50	alanz	8.0.2 fails for me, same problem
2018-06-12 01:20:58	alanz	in the root dir of the project
2018-06-12 01:21:06	lukelau	So there is
2018-06-12 01:21:07	alanz	unless it is left over from me, hold on
2018-06-12 01:21:43	alanz	it is using the one from .circleci though, I can see the cache key
2018-06-12 01:23:50	alanz	maybe it built with that one on the PR
2018-06-12 01:25:31	lukelau	Were there builds for that PR on circleCI?
2018-06-12 01:27:01	alanz	I just looked, and did not see any. Oops.
2018-06-12 01:27:32	alanz	8.2.2 and 8.4.3 build ok, testing 8.4.2
2018-06-12 01:29:20	alanz	and 8.4.2 is ok too. interesting.
2018-06-12 01:32:08	lukelau	Testing 8.0.2 atm
2018-06-12 01:32:25	alanz	so, probably need to bump aeson, trying 1.2.4.0 with ghc 8.0.2
2018-06-12 01:32:38	lukelau	Damn I got a build error involving text-icu
2018-06-12 01:36:21	alanz	welcome to mac
2018-06-12 01:36:33	alanz	do the fix thing in the Makefile for hie
2018-06-12 01:37:14	alanz	https://circleci.com/workflow-run/253bb1c0-df6f-4ed8-afcf-0bf3541dc390
2018-06-12 01:38:28	lukelau	I added those extra-lib-dir and extra-include-dir flags and that seemed to work
2018-06-12 01:38:41	lukelau	Oh that is the same thing in the makefile
2018-06-12 01:38:57	alanz	:)
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2018-06-12 01:50:42	lukelau	https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-lsp/172 +1
2018-06-12 01:51:44	alanz	great
2018-06-12 01:51:53	 *	alanz breathes sigh of relief
2018-06-12 01:52:03	alanz	now you can update your hie pr
2018-06-12 01:53:15	alanz	and I just realised we should have bumped the version number. Hold on
2018-06-12 01:57:09	alanz	lukelau, I just pushed version 0.3.0.0
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2018-06-12 02:01:36	lukelau	alanz: I thought we used a submodule for haskell-lsp anyway?
2018-06-12 02:03:59	alanz	yes, but there are other users too
2018-06-12 02:04:09	alanz	Don't want to gratuitously break their stuff
2018-06-12 02:04:34	lukelau	Oh yeah that too
2018-06-12 02:04:54	lukelau	I never understood what the 4th version number on hackage is for
2018-06-12 02:05:02	lukelau	Are the first 3 similar to semver?
2018-06-12 02:05:40	alanz	it is the PVP, there is a web site for it. Linked off hackage somewhere
2018-06-12 02:05:55	alanz	https://pvp.haskell.org/
2018-06-12 02:07:01	alanz	and in terms of hie that submodule version bump is probably not critical
2018-06-12 02:07:19	alanz	but we should set the cabal file to require haskell-lsp >= 0.3
2018-06-12 02:07:39	alanz	somewhere along the way.
2018-06-12 02:07:50	alanz	So maybe its best to just update both at once
2018-06-12 02:08:15	lukelau	Ok, just updated the submodule but will add that constraint into the .cabal
2018-06-12 02:08:39	alanz	thanks. sorry to jerk you around like this
2018-06-12 02:08:50	lukelau	? Not at all
2018-06-12 02:09:39	lukelau	The dual major version number makes a lot of sense by the way
2018-06-12 02:10:01	alanz	good
2018-06-12 02:13:26	lukelau	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/hack2 this is a package that could have definitely used it
2018-06-12 02:13:50	alanz	yes
2018-06-12 02:14:06	alanz	For some reason CI does not seem to be running on that PR
2018-06-12 02:14:42	lukelau	Ah my mistake
2018-06-12 02:14:46	lukelau	I didn’t update .gitmodules
2018-06-12 02:15:41	alanz	ok. And I found https://circleci.com/workflow-run/ff50a370-a42c-40cf-94d3-7312056b9141
2018-06-12 02:16:37	alanz	nothing like CI to keep you honest :)
2018-06-12 02:16:48	lukelau	It’s doing its job!
2018-06-12 02:16:55	alanz	exactly
2018-06-12 02:17:03	lukelau	I also somehow managed to force commit nothing accidentally
2018-06-12 02:17:06	lukelau	*force push
2018-06-12 02:17:35	alanz	oops
2018-06-12 02:18:00	lukelau	I think I’m building up a bad habit of realising something I broke seconds after pushing
2018-06-12 02:18:18	lukelau	Then git commit -- amend; git push --force
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2018-06-12 02:29:10	gleachkr	alanz: just put in a pull request updating docs for neovim. Noticed in the process that LanguageClient-neovim now also supports recent vim versions. So I bet (but haven't verified) the setup instructions for neovim would work for vim too.
2018-06-12 02:29:28	alanz	ok
2018-06-12 02:29:32	alanz	nice.
2018-06-12 02:29:53	alanz	And we need to start nudging the clients toward using hie-wrapper
2018-06-12 02:30:03	alanz	which I put in yesterday
2018-06-12 02:30:21	alanz	I have been running it on my emacs all day, without problems
2018-06-12 02:42:50	alanz	lukelau, btw, I am travelling the next 2 days, so unlikely to be responsive on IRC, or to be able to look at PRs and the like
2018-06-12 02:43:43	alanz	gleachkr, I presume the PR was on the neovim client?
2018-06-12 02:45:51	gleachkr	oops, no, sorry, I think I just failed to press the PR button on github.
2018-06-12 02:47:16	--	Notice(GitHub9): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #612: Add session capturing (master...capturing) https://git.io/vhW6i
2018-06-12 02:47:17	--	Notice(GitHub181): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 18 new commits to master: https://git.io/vhwLP
2018-06-12 02:47:17	--	Notice(GitHub181): haskell-ide-engine/master 7ccf629 Luke Lau: Match up with new haskell-lsp
2018-06-12 02:47:17	--	Notice(GitHub181): haskell-ide-engine/master 8af0ec3 Luke: Update to changes in haskell-lsp
2018-06-12 02:47:17	--	Notice(GitHub181): haskell-ide-engine/master 4627d77 Luke: Add command line options for capturing
2018-06-12 02:57:36	--	Notice(GitHub3): [haskell-ide-engine] gleachkr opened pull request #628: update neovim instructions to use hie-wrapper (master...patch-2) https://git.io/vhwti
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2018-06-14 01:52:10	--	Notice(GitHub172): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #629: Use UUIDs for commands (master...command-uuids) https://git.io/vh6Ye
2018-06-14 02:13:08	lukelau	Does hie currently pick up projects that use cabal new-build?
2018-06-14 02:18:36	alanz	lukelau, no, but it needs to
2018-06-14 02:18:52	alanz	And dxld will be available soon to help sort that out
2018-06-14 02:19:22	alanz	and using uuids is a shitty solution to a problem, applied on the wrong side. In my opinion
2018-06-14 02:20:17	alanz	but if it is the only option we have, I guess there is no choice
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2018-06-14 02:49:48	lukelau	alanz: I agree, that ticket on vscode-languageserver-node had a very disappointing response
2018-06-14 02:50:22	lukelau	It’s pretty gross and is going to make the captured session testing a lot more difficult now that we have random strings in the output
2018-06-14 02:50:35	alanz	But at the end of the day they admit that it should be fixed there, but will not be, so we have to do this
2018-06-14 02:51:03	alanz	But I think concatenating the original and a UUID will make it easier to debug 
2018-06-14 02:51:40	lukelau	Yeah I pushed a commit for that, that was a pretty good idea
2018-06-14 02:51:55	alanz	just noticed, great
2018-06-14 02:52:05	lukelau	Their reasoning for needing unique commands was that the client wouldn’t know what server to route the request to
2018-06-14 02:52:44	lukelau	But surely the client can tell based on the current source file etc?
2018-06-14 02:54:15	alanz	To me it smells like a global variable on their side
2018-06-14 02:54:24	alanz	instead of keeping state per client
2018-06-14 02:54:50	alanz	I mean, the server session id should effectively *be* the guid
2018-06-14 02:55:05	alanz	in the client that is
2018-06-14 02:55:32	alanz	i.e., how do they know where to send the message? what to use as the next id?
2018-06-14 02:56:28	lukelau	I’m more surprised that no other server has run into this problem yet
2018-06-14 02:56:32	alanz	but I think the command processing in vscode is built into some kind of global table, so LSP support is probably an add-on/hack, and it has to support all the other protocols/extensions, so is probably not easy to change
2018-06-14 02:56:49	alanz	I think the code actions are not all that common
2018-06-14 02:57:08	alanz	and maybe multi-server projects are rare too.
2018-06-14 02:57:15	alanz	It is still a fairly young tech
2018-06-14 02:57:30	lukelau	That too, vs code is the only editor I’m aware that can run multiple servers at once
2018-06-14 02:57:38	alanz	Which is partly what makes it so exciting, I think. To see the progress
2018-06-14 02:57:41	alanz	and shape it
2018-06-14 02:57:50	alanz	emacs can too
2018-06-14 02:57:54	alanz	and does
2018-06-14 02:58:02	alanz	without hitting issues. I think.
2018-06-14 02:58:08	lukelau	It didn’t have that issue?
2018-06-14 02:58:09	alanz	Should test it, I guess :)
2018-06-14 02:58:25	alanz	I have been using it, without hitting problems
2018-06-14 02:58:49	alanz	but admittedly not using the actions much
2018-06-14 02:59:02	lukelau	This should happen at startup though
2018-06-14 02:59:04	lukelau	I didn’t have this issue on language-client-neovim
2018-06-14 02:59:17	lukelau	I presume that language-client-neovim just uses one server
2018-06-14 02:59:23	lukelau	Actually let me test that
2018-06-14 03:00:21	lukelau	Yeah it just has the one server
2018-06-14 03:00:34	alanz	ok. I know emacs supports multiple
2018-06-14 03:01:00	lukelau	Shouldn’t the multiple server thing be replaced by those new workspace apis anyway
2018-06-14 03:01:00	alanz	and I often use it when looking through hie, or haskell-lsp/haskell-lsp-types
2018-06-14 03:01:18	alanz	I have not been following it that closely, tbh
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2018-06-14 03:02:53	lukelau	Speaking of bugs, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/620 has been driving me nuts
2018-06-14 03:03:27	alanz	me too. I will tackle it next
2018-06-14 03:03:29	lukelau	Do you think it would take a lot to fix it? I’d like to set up a test case for it and maybe take a stab at it
2018-06-14 03:03:45	lukelau	But I think its a ghc-mod thing right?
2018-06-14 03:03:55	alanz	I think it is that the setting of targets in ghc-mod always loads all mapped files
2018-06-14 03:04:14	alanz	instead of trying to load the given file, and mapping the ones in the load-list
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2018-06-14 03:04:43	alanz	so we need to let it do depanal, then substitute the mapped files. Or something. 
2018-06-14 03:05:25	alanz	Problem being the mapped files are different, so not necessarily the same import list
2018-06-14 03:06:27	lukelau	This is all way over my head, I’ll avoid it for now
2018-06-14 03:07:11	lukelau	I think the next step for haskell-lsp-test is the FSM stuff right?
2018-06-14 03:07:59	alanz	yes
2018-06-14 03:08:27	alanz	and/or making it general, so we can specify a test scenario for say python or javascript
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2018-06-14 03:09:51	lukelau	It seems to be general at the moment, we’ve got that javascript-typescript-langserver test on it up and running
2018-06-14 03:10:00	lukelau	Since the tests are all just described in terms of lsp messages
2018-06-14 03:11:21	lukelau	Although after writing some tests for hie, just using messages it a bit clunky
2018-06-14 03:11:48	lukelau	Having to use loads of lenses to pull out results isn’t fun
2018-06-14 03:12:40	alanz	Well, I think the point is to be able to write tests for say python or javascript, *without writing haskell*
2018-06-14 03:13:00	alanz	so coming up with some sort of file format, which is not necessarily just a session dump
2018-06-14 03:13:24	lukelau	Ah, doing the mini-language thing
2018-06-14 03:13:31	alanz	Not sure how easy/possible that would be, but it would be an awesome thing to achieve
2018-06-14 03:14:20	alanz	And right now, having the parser to advance to the next step might make an FSM approach unnecessary
2018-06-14 03:14:56	alanz	Do we have any tests that pick up a code action and apply it? I think the functional tests do? I know they apply hints, hare commands
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2018-06-14 03:17:39	lukelau	I think there’s a dispatcher test for applying a hare:demote command
2018-06-14 03:18:03	lukelau	And in that uuid-commands branch theres a functional test for getting a code action, but I haven’t tested actually applying it
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2018-06-14 03:18:31	alanz	it might be good to do that, to get an idea of what is needed to be able to write the test
2018-06-14 03:18:34	lukelau	I was hoping to expand out the state machine stuff to test that
2018-06-14 03:18:44	alanz	ok, do that then
2018-06-14 03:19:02	alanz	I love state machines, so will be very happy to see them in use here
2018-06-14 03:19:13	lukelau	I mean there’s always the boring way of just checking that you get an editworkspacerequest
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2018-06-14 03:19:43	lukelau	But might be cool to just call source `shouldBe` “asdf”
2018-06-14 03:19:58	alanz	Yes, but it might be good to run an instance of VFS on the client side, and do exactly that
2018-06-14 03:20:33	lukelau	Can we also just do it all in memory?
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2018-06-14 03:20:37	alanz	except the way the changes are formatted in each direction is not symmetrical, I seem to recall
2018-06-14 03:20:39	alanz	yes
2018-06-14 03:20:41	lukelau	Without having to write out to files
2018-06-14 03:21:03	alanz	but run the server VFS module, which keeps a yi-rope per file, and applies changes to them
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2018-06-14 03:21:12	alanz	and then we can ask for the contents to test
2018-06-14 03:21:26	alanz	so no need to store anything, but we run the algorithm
2018-06-14 03:21:35	lukelau	Ok, sounds good
2018-06-14 03:22:42	alanz	good, sounds like you have some direction. I need to hit my bed now.
2018-06-14 03:22:49	alanz	chat tomorrow
2018-06-14 03:23:44	lukelau	Night!
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2018-06-14 19:35:04	lukelau	alanz: I updated that PR to use the process ID as the random seed, to make it easier to test
2018-06-14 19:35:38	lukelau	But the tests are getting stuck on 8.2.1, I’ll need to take a look at those
2018-06-14 20:04:17	alanz	yes, I saw that, I checked out the branch locally and started looking
2018-06-14 20:04:26	alanz	But have not got anywhere yet
2018-06-14 20:09:15	lukelau	I think it might have been a problem with stderr getting blocked
2018-06-14 20:10:28	lukelau	I noticed that tests were starting to get stuck on 8.4.2, but when I enabled logging on hie with -l it passed fine
2018-06-14 20:11:09	alanz	ok, the test that fails does run with logging
2018-06-14 20:11:10	lukelau	So then I narrowed it down to std_err, since I was creating a handle for it with CreatePipe but not reading from it
2018-06-14 20:11:24	lukelau	Ok scratch that
2018-06-14 20:11:48	alanz	by default it inherits the parent stderr if you don't specify it
2018-06-14 20:12:05	alanz	I was just starting to look at the logs, when I got interrupted
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2018-06-14 20:12:18	alanz	And I need to do other stuff for the next couple of hours
2018-06-14 20:12:32	alanz	So will touch base with you on it later
2018-06-14 20:14:41	lukelau	Ok
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2018-06-14 23:52:02	--	Notice(GitHub57): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #629: Use UUIDs for commands (master...command-uuids) https://git.io/vh6Ye
2018-06-14 23:52:03	alanz	lukelau, landed it
2018-06-14 23:52:04	--	Notice(GitHub94): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 10 new commits to master: https://git.io/vhPvM
2018-06-14 23:52:04	--	Notice(GitHub94): haskell-ide-engine/master d0091f1 Luke: Make commands unique UUIDs so that we can run multiple servers on one client...
2018-06-14 23:52:04	--	Notice(GitHub94): haskell-ide-engine/master 75d5100 Luke: Add .DS_Store to .gitignore
2018-06-14 23:52:04	--	Notice(GitHub94): haskell-ide-engine/master f79c888 Luke: Add tests for command UUIDs
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2018-06-15 00:02:35	alanz	lukelau, see https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/pull/495
2018-06-15 00:02:45	alanz	the thing we need may already exist ...
2018-06-15 00:03:31	alanz	well, we can see what they are doing, and improve. And have some friendly rivalry
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2018-06-15 01:56:59	--	Notice(GitHub113): [haskell-ide-engine] karugaru opened pull request #630: Fix typo "win32" on haskell-ide-engine.cabal (master...fixtypo) https://git.io/vhP3a
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2018-06-15 04:43:19	lukelau	Looks like its mostly for the replaying capture session stuff
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2018-06-15 04:46:17	lukelau	It also looks like it’s windows only, its on .net framework
2018-06-15 04:48:11	lukelau	I think this will be good, its nice to know we’re not alone on this and I think what we have so far is different enough that it can warrant both tools existing
2018-06-15 04:50:39	--	Notice(GitHub92): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/vhPzq
2018-06-15 04:50:39	--	Notice(GitHub92): haskell-ide-engine/master 8ba8ad4 KGOUJI-DESKTOP: Fix typo "win32" on haskell-ide-engine.cabal
2018-06-15 04:50:39	--	Notice(GitHub92): haskell-ide-engine/master 8db51b8 Luke Lau: Merge pull request #630 from karugaru/fixtypo...
2018-06-15 04:50:40	--	Notice(GitHub120): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba closed pull request #630: Fix typo "win32" on haskell-ide-engine.cabal (master...fixtypo) https://git.io/vhP3a
2018-06-15 04:51:22	lukelau	alanz: My bad, I had a typo in the .cabal file (I used win32 instead of Win32) which prevented windows users from building
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2018-06-15 20:23:36	maerwald	anyone got deoplete to work? It appears to be impossible here
2018-06-15 20:25:23	maerwald	contrary to the "should just work" in the readme
2018-06-15 20:29:20	wz1000	alanz: ping
2018-06-15 20:31:05	wz1000	how doe you get the AnnKey for the AnnWhere in GRHSs?
2018-06-15 20:31:16	wz1000	Since the GRHSs is not Located?
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2018-06-15 20:35:30	alanz	wz1000, looking now
2018-06-15 20:36:14	alanz	wz1000, The canonical reference is Parser.y. Often the annotation is attached to the next level up, ie the Match
2018-06-15 20:37:13	wz1000	ah
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2018-06-15 21:56:02	gleachkr	maerwald: I've got it working.
2018-06-15 21:56:12	maerwald	nothing works here
2018-06-15 21:56:19	maerwald	I just get buffer completion
2018-06-15 21:56:20	gleachkr	Have you added LanguageClient as a deoplete source?
2018-06-15 21:56:53	gleachkr	This is not very clear in either the deoplete or the Neovim-LanguageClient docs.
2018-06-15 21:57:27	maerwald	https://lpaste.net/3441906831608250368
2018-06-15 22:02:19	gleachkr	Hm. Yeah, dunno. I use `g:deoplete#sources.haskell = ['ultisnips', 'buffer', 'file', 'LanguageClient']`, but I doubt that's it.
2018-06-15 22:02:55	gleachkr	I enable deoplete after starting the language server, rather than at startup, FWIW.
2018-06-15 22:03:17	maerwald	that variable has been removed.
2018-06-15 22:04:21	maerwald	https://github.com/Shougo/deoplete.nvim/commit/f1b571a306c6565790d7b7a45408c1564e872088#diff-e5bdd2909698ddcc54fe0c4267ea88a2
2018-06-15 22:04:41	maerwald	and as such the config example is broken too
2018-06-15 22:09:48	maerwald	broken crap
2018-06-15 22:15:55	gleachkr	Sorry, don't know what to tell you, other than perhaps to try permuting the startup order. You're right about that variable. Interestingly, still works for me after commenting it out, so with no explicit configuration of sources. Good luck.
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2018-06-15 22:35:43	gleachkr	Hm. Still works for me if the language server is started after deoplete.
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2018-06-15 22:54:19	maerwald	somehow started working
2018-06-15 22:54:37	maerwald	lsp doesn't have documentation support right?
2018-06-15 22:54:47	maerwald	at least I don't see anything to show documentation of an identifier
2018-06-15 23:01:31	alanz	gleachkr, maerwald when you get it working, please update the docs and/or make issues on the relevant repos
2018-06-15 23:01:31	maerwald	and the language client context menu is kinda broken
2018-06-15 23:02:29	maerwald	the biggest problem is the language client, not the server
2018-06-15 23:07:30	alanz	I thought that might be the case
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2018-06-15 23:08:05	maerwald	I don't like it at all. No tooltip on mouse over, no underlining of errors, only a hint on the left side
2018-06-15 23:08:20	maerwald	I disabled diagnostics and use ALE for diagnostics
2018-06-15 23:08:26	maerwald	LSP only for autocompletion
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2018-06-15 23:43:14	gleachkr	alanz: btw - I have a PR out for updating the neovim docs to use hie-wrapper. Look OK?
2018-06-15 23:43:58	maerwald	sad that neovim has no usable gui. I guess that is the "community driven" problem ;) lots of gui projects, none work properly
2018-06-15 23:44:07	alanz	gleachkr, will take a look, been caught up with other stuff
2018-06-15 23:44:26	gleachkr	thanks, no worries!
2018-06-15 23:45:21	alanz	merged it
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2018-06-15 23:45:36	alanz	good to see other clients using hie-wrapper too
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2018-06-16 02:05:36	maerwald	alanz: you wrote the vscode plugin right?
2018-06-16 02:06:52	maerwald	https://github.com/autozimu/LanguageClient-neovim/issues/471#issuecomment-397728570
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2018-06-16 10:57:54	cocreature	this seems potentially interesting https://www.scala-lang.org/blog/2018/06/15/bsp.html
2018-06-16 11:19:22	wz1000	not only do we have to get the cabal guys and the stack guys to agree on something, but the scala, rust, go and typescript guys too
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2018-06-16 13:20:12	alanz	maerwald, I will take a look. I think it may be a custom command, iirc Tehnix implemented that part.
2018-06-16 13:21:43	alanz	cocreature, looks interesting.
2018-06-16 13:22:06	alanz	I think the concept of having a protocol implemented by an IDE is now a thing, so the zone of possibilites can grow
2018-06-16 13:22:21	alanz	I still want to see a standard way of bringing in a REPL
2018-06-16 13:29:21	wz1000	alanz: there is also the Jupyter/IPython/IHaskell stuff
2018-06-16 13:29:53	alanz	yes, but that is not quite a REPL, as far as I know
2018-06-16 13:30:15	alanz	but we have so much to do still, that I think that particular problem can wait a while
2018-06-16 13:30:38	alanz	We also need to figure out the best way to do it inside HIE itself, nevermind how we expose it
2018-06-16 13:33:08	wz1000	alanz: https://jupyter-console.readthedocs.io/en/stable/
2018-06-16 13:33:39	alanz	ah, the console. I have only ever used the web version
2018-06-16 13:34:01	alanz	there is already support via IHaskell ....
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2018-06-16 18:23:09	maerwald	mh, I don't get type info via tooltip
2018-06-16 18:23:39	maerwald	but it seems to work in rust with the same language client
2018-06-16 18:25:02	maerwald	so I suspect it's aproblem with hie
2018-06-16 18:26:36	maerwald	https://i.imgur.com/C11BXgD.png
2018-06-16 18:26:54	maerwald	that doesn't work in haskell
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2018-06-16 20:07:34	sclv	wz1000: btw can you share a status update for this week?
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2018-06-16 20:19:18	wz1000	sclv: I've been testing the generation against the ghc tree, and I've got it working without any crashes/invalid spans with D4822 applied. I'm currently working on including scope information along with all variable bindings, which is almost done and should be ready by today night/tomorrow morning.
2018-06-16 20:19:29	wz1000	It also handles CPP #includes now
2018-06-16 20:21:33	wz1000	I've also expanded and corrected the classification of Symbol occurences, whether they are declarations, instance declarations, usages, type declarations and so on
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2018-06-16 20:24:56	wz1000	bgamari: btw, what is the status of D4822?
2018-06-16 20:28:20	asheshambasta	Hi guys, I'm new to haskell but I've just setup HIE with Emacs and I'm really happy with how well things work. I would like to contribute somehow, preferably in the codebase, but my inexperience with Haskell is prohibiting. 
2018-06-16 20:28:31	asheshambasta	Is there a suggested easy place at which I can start? 
2018-06-16 20:28:55	asheshambasta	Or, things I can read to learn more about contributing to HIE? 
2018-06-16 20:29:20	sclv	wz1000:  nice. Is it in a proper ghc branch yet or still off to the side?
2018-06-16 20:30:37	sclv	also imho it should be able to fix weird stuff up even in the presece of bugs like d4822
2018-06-16 20:30:54	sclv	Not perfectly, but like just do anything:-)
2018-06-16 20:31:16	sclv	OR actually nah
2018-06-16 20:31:32	sclv	Since its going in ghc proper
2018-06-16 20:31:50	sclv	We should add tests to ensure those bugs don’t exist
2018-06-16 20:31:52	sclv	To ghc
2018-06-16 20:32:00	bgamari	wz1000, there were a few things in the merge queue before it
2018-06-16 20:32:22	sclv	And tests of this code giving well formed output in ghc
2018-06-16 20:32:41	sclv	In turn imply well formed source spans in its inputs
2018-06-16 20:42:47	wz1000	yeah
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2018-06-16 20:44:36	wz1000	asheshambasta: are there any features you wish HIE had? We can then point you towards what can be done to implement them
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2018-06-16 20:58:34	asheshambasta	wz1000: its a bit too early for me to say – but I'm coming from a Scala environment with a GUI based editor (IntelliJ). The tooling for most JVM based languages is quite excellent so I'll soon be in a better position to know the differences and missing parts.
2018-06-16 20:58:57	asheshambasta	Where should I post my findings? Just here and discuss them first?
2018-06-16 20:59:52	wz1000	yeah, here would be fine. Or you can make an issue for it
2018-06-16 21:00:29	asheshambasta	okay, great. How complex is the HIE for a Haskell beginner like myself? I can understand that it does some crazy complex stuff under the hood.
2018-06-16 21:06:12	wz1000	Using the existing API to implement new functionality shouldn't be too difficult.
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2018-06-17 04:31:19	camsbury	hi there
2018-06-17 04:31:29	camsbury	anyone got hie setup for nixos?
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2018-06-17 04:43:03	maerwald	do the instructions not work?
2018-06-17 04:51:39	camsbury	the catch is that I want to set it up for a cabal project, built using `nix-shell --attr env ...`
2018-06-17 04:52:30	camsbury	also its nixos, so I'm not really wanting to just run a `nix-env`, I want to bake it into my project
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2018-06-17 18:01:09	wz1000	bgamari: ping
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2018-06-17 19:14:49	bgamari	wz1000, pong
2018-06-17 19:30:23	wz1000	bgamari: see https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/15279
2018-06-17 19:30:34	wz1000	should I implement option 1?
2018-06-17 19:32:26	bgamari	wz1000, hmm
2018-06-17 19:35:36	bgamari	wz1000, commented
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2018-06-17 23:07:36	--	Notice(GitHub15): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #636: Case split (master...case-split) https://git.io/vhMDa
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2018-06-18 12:04:53	wz1000	bgamari: https://phabricator.haskell.org/D4866
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2018-06-18 12:49:59	--	Notice(GitHub157): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #636: Case split (master...case-split) https://git.io/vhMDa
2018-06-18 12:49:59	--	Notice(GitHub153): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/vjOwq
2018-06-18 12:49:59	--	Notice(GitHub153): haskell-ide-engine/master 9d4d014 Alan Zimmerman: Bring in ghc-mod case-split support...
2018-06-18 12:50:00	--	Notice(GitHub153): haskell-ide-engine/master 718d2f3 Alan Zimmerman: Bump update ghc-mod
2018-06-18 12:50:00	--	Notice(GitHub153): haskell-ide-engine/master 76e4d62 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #636 from alanz/case-split...
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2018-06-18 15:41:08	maerwald	haskell-ide-engine seems to conflict with my own 'argon' plugin for ALE, although g:LanguageClient_diagnosticsEnable = 0 is set
2018-06-18 15:41:24	maerwald	hie will fail to start and as a consequence also break completion via deoplete
2018-06-18 16:03:39	maerwald	seems to be an argon error https://github.com/rubik/argon/issues/34
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2018-06-18 16:47:46	--	Notice(GitHub7): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #638: Fix circle build (master...master) https://git.io/fefRD
2018-06-18 16:47:56	--	Notice(GitHub175): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/fefua
2018-06-18 16:47:56	--	Notice(GitHub175): haskell-ide-engine/master f2861e6 Alan Zimmerman: Bump circleci cache keys
2018-06-18 16:47:56	--	Notice(GitHub175): haskell-ide-engine/master c7ffbd3 Alan Zimmerman: Circle: install happy
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2018-06-18 17:38:06	bgamari	wz1000, cool
2018-06-18 17:43:23	wz1000	bgamari: btw, what is the best way to get my local git repository in sync with master:HEAD after something like the recent merges?
2018-06-18 17:43:48	wz1000	I tried a bunch of stuff, but in the end I had to delete ghc/ and make a fresh clone
2018-06-18 17:44:55	bgamari	git pull
2018-06-18 17:44:59	bgamari	git submodule update
2018-06-18 17:45:05	alanz	wz1000, "git reset --hard origin/master" works wonders
2018-06-18 17:45:32	alanz	in between the ones bgamari said
2018-06-18 17:46:14	wz1000	yeah, git pull was just giving me merge conflicts
2018-06-18 17:46:22	alanz	and "make maintainer-clean" is pretty useful too
2018-06-18 17:46:36	alanz	instead of git pull, do git fetch
2018-06-18 17:46:38	alanz	then reset
2018-06-18 17:46:51	alanz	pull == git fetch && git merge
2018-06-18 17:48:20	bgamari	wz1000, well, that likely means that your work conflicts with something merged upstream
2018-06-18 17:48:27	bgamari	wz1000, you can also use git rebase origin/master
2018-06-18 17:48:50	bgamari	I often use that if my tree has patches that I want to eventually merge
2018-06-18 17:50:40	alanz	wz1000, always do your own work on a branch, never on your own master
2018-06-18 17:55:28	wz1000	bgamari: No, the tree was clean. I still got merge conflicts when I tried to pull from master
2018-06-18 17:56:05	bgamari	wz1000, what commit are you on before pulling?
2018-06-18 17:58:01	wz1000	well, this was yesterday, and I deleted the tree. But it was some commit shortly after the one where you merged my parenthesis Diff
2018-06-18 18:07:03	wz1000	but I got the feeling that something was --force pushed to ghc master recently
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2018-06-19 03:07:35	--	Notice(GitHub113): haskell-ide-engine/config-doc 3f24d40 Luke Lau: Add config options to readme
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2018-06-19 12:27:01	--	Notice(GitHub19): haskell-ide-engine/master 9725bc0 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #640 from haskell/config-doc...
2018-06-19 12:27:02	--	Notice(GitHub90): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #640: Add config options to readme (master...config-doc) https://git.io/ffCPt
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2018-06-19 17:19:52	Franciman	Hi
2018-06-19 17:20:39	Franciman	if I don't use neither vscode nor (neo)vim how do I put the settings.json file?
2018-06-19 17:20:45	Franciman	and what's the new hie-wrapper usage?
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2018-06-19 17:47:58	alanz	Franciman, the new hie-wrapper is a drop-in replacement for hie, which chooses the appropriate binary for it, assuming they are on the path, with names like hie, hie-8.x, hie-8.x.y
2018-06-19 17:48:12	Franciman	i see
2018-06-19 17:48:18	Franciman	ty
2018-06-19 17:48:27	alanz	what editor do you use?
2018-06-19 17:48:37	Franciman	kakoune
2018-06-19 17:48:41	Franciman	with kak-lsp
2018-06-19 17:49:00	alanz	ok, you will have to chat to the kak-lsp devs about how to send config through
2018-06-19 17:49:11	alanz	it should be in the noted JSON format though, for hie
2018-06-19 17:49:18	Franciman	ok thanks
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2018-06-19 20:52:43	--	Notice(GitHub55): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/ftjzH
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2018-06-20 00:48:12	--	Notice(GitHub22): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #642: Fall back to a default config when there is none specified in settings.json (master...no-config-fix) https://git.io/fY1o8
2018-06-20 00:51:57	--	Notice(GitHub94): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #643: Check GHC version on launch (master...ghc-version-check) https://git.io/fY1o5
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2018-06-20 02:43:06	Franciman	I'm running hie to a nix-style project (so new-build etc) and I get this error:
2018-06-20 02:43:31	Franciman	readCreateProcess: cabal "configure" "--with-ghc=ghc" "--flags" "" (exit 1): failed
2018-06-20 02:43:35	Franciman	why?
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2018-06-20 02:46:36	alanz	Franciman, new-build is not currently supported
2018-06-20 02:46:47	Franciman	ok thanks
2018-06-20 02:47:30	alanz	Hopefully we will get some progress on it this (northern) summer
2018-06-20 02:48:11	Franciman	cool
2018-06-20 02:48:19	Franciman	i find hie really useful
2018-06-20 02:48:23	Franciman	already
2018-06-20 02:48:28	alanz	Thanks
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2018-06-20 11:00:35	wz1000	alanz: https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/ImplementingTreesThatGrow/HandlingSourceLocations
2018-06-20 11:00:43	wz1000	I really don't like Solution B
2018-06-20 11:01:11	wz1000	I'm currently working on a patch to GHC that will make it preserve even more locations
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2018-06-20 13:01:59	alanz	wz1000, I think Plan A is the preferred one, but feel free to drop a mail to shayan about it. And CC me if possible. Or do it directly on ghc-devs.
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2018-06-20 15:25:22	--	Notice(GitHub153): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #645: Multi main (master...multi-main) https://git.io/fG2E1
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2018-06-20 16:26:16	--	Notice(GitHub169): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/fG2Ve
2018-06-20 16:26:16	--	Notice(GitHub169): haskell-ide-engine/master c93244c Alan Zimmerman: Add failing test, demonstrating the problem.
2018-06-20 16:26:16	--	Notice(GitHub169): haskell-ide-engine/master 9e3372b Alan Zimmerman: Reinstate @wz1000 ghc-mod patch for multi-main loading...
2018-06-20 16:26:16	--	Notice(GitHub169): haskell-ide-engine/master 8851688 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #645 from alanz/multi-main...
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2018-06-20 22:14:42	lukelau	That multiple main fix is so good!
2018-06-20 22:16:35	alanz	lukelau, thank wz1000 for it
2018-06-20 22:16:47	alanz	Makes a huge difference, I agree
2018-06-20 22:17:12	lukelau	wz1000: 🍻
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2018-06-21 17:09:55	--	Notice(GitHub109): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #643: Check GHC version on launch (master...ghc-version-check) https://git.io/fY1o5
2018-06-21 17:09:55	--	Notice(GitHub28): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/fWbKT
2018-06-21 17:09:55	--	Notice(GitHub28): haskell-ide-engine/master 23542a4 Luke Lau: Check for correct GHC version
2018-06-21 17:09:55	--	Notice(GitHub28): haskell-ide-engine/master 250b5b7 Luke Lau: Send show message notification for mismatched ghc versions
2018-06-21 17:09:55	--	Notice(GitHub28): haskell-ide-engine/master ce60349 Luke Lau: Fix 8.2.x builds
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2018-06-21 20:06:10	--	Notice(GitHub14): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #651: Fallback to using plain GHC if we can't find stack when checking version (master...no-stack-ghc-check-fix) https://git.io/flFWB
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2018-06-21 21:21:18	asheshambasta	FYI: seeing very similar issues to https://github.com/yi-editor/yi/issues/795 when trying to follow the install instructions in README.
2018-06-21 21:21:39	asheshambasta	I'm also on Mac OS; maybe it won't be a bad idea to add this to the install instructions
2018-06-21 21:21:47	asheshambasta	(or I might have missed something)
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2018-06-22 01:30:44	--	Notice(GitHub154): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/flbTR
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2018-06-22 05:09:37	lukelau	We're nearing 1k stars on Github 🎉
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2018-06-23 00:56:54	--	Notice(GitHub48): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #653: Update haskell-lsp to no longer require an extra-dep on process-1.6.3 (master...process-fix) https://git.io/f4y4t
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2018-06-23 01:54:06	--	Notice(GitHub199): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #654: Fix stack command typo (master...stack-version-fix) https://git.io/f4yuz
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2018-06-23 02:29:26	gleachkr	I think that 2fe886f might have introduced a bug. Instead of getting stack ghc version with `stack ghc -- --version` (formerly on line 107 of src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/Base.hs), it's using `stack ghc --version` (line 108), which throws an error (on my machine) and causes hie-wrapper to fall back on ghc 8.4.
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2018-06-23 02:30:19	gleachkr	alanz: ^
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2018-06-23 03:34:40	--	Notice(GitHub105): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #656: Use stack library to work out stack ghc version (master...stack-version-check) https://git.io/f4y6n
2018-06-23 03:47:15	--	Notice(GitHub58): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba closed pull request #654: Fix stack command typo (master...stack-version-fix) https://git.io/f4yuz
2018-06-23 04:02:45	gleachkr	Sorry, missed #654.
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2018-06-23 11:28:23	--	Notice(GitHub35): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #653: Update haskell-lsp-test to no longer require an extra-dep on process-1.6.3 (master...process-fix) https://git.io/f4y4t
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2018-06-23 11:28:29	--	Notice(GitHub87): haskell-ide-engine/master eb47994 Luke: Update haskell-lsp to no longer require an extra-dep on process-1.6.3
2018-06-23 11:28:29	--	Notice(GitHub87): haskell-ide-engine/master 0daf110 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #653 from Bubba/process-fix...
2018-06-23 11:30:03	--	Notice(GitHub78): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz reopened pull request #654: Fix stack command typo (master...stack-version-fix) https://git.io/f4yuz
2018-06-23 11:35:01	--	Notice(GitHub198): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #634: Add another feature example (master...another-feature-example) https://git.io/vh1uk
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2018-06-23 11:35:06	--	Notice(GitHub169): haskell-ide-engine/master 7692395 K.O: Add another feature example
2018-06-23 11:35:06	--	Notice(GitHub169): haskell-ide-engine/master e0ba6d0 K.O: Update README.md
2018-06-23 11:35:06	--	Notice(GitHub169): haskell-ide-engine/master a51f704 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #634 from pythonissam/another-feature-example...
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2018-06-23 19:44:06	--	Notice(GitHub170): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba closed pull request #654: Fix stack command typo (master...stack-version-fix) https://git.io/f4yuz
2018-06-23 19:44:09	--	Notice(GitHub141): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/f4SkR
2018-06-23 19:44:09	--	Notice(GitHub141): haskell-ide-engine/master 830120e Luke: Fix stack command typo
2018-06-23 19:44:09	--	Notice(GitHub141): haskell-ide-engine/master cfcf74a Luke Lau: Merge pull request #654 from Bubba/stack-version-fix...
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2018-06-24 17:02:35	rockfruit	I've cloned hie from github, and smacked 'make build' - and now I am getting only this error: https://lpaste.net/1153016608067682304 .  I've tried deleting cached stuff, removing mentioned folders and libraries in the hopes that re-compilation will fix stuff... but this is today's 'final' paper-cut.  I need help?!
2018-06-24 17:07:18	rockfruit	if it's a problem with current repository's head, maybe someone knows a commit I can revert to?
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2018-06-24 19:02:25	lukelau	rockfruit: thats definitely very strange
2018-06-24 19:03:05	lukelau	Does nuking .stack-work fix it?
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2018-06-24 20:05:05	alanz	And we have 1000 stars on github
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2018-06-24 21:03:07	lukelau	Celebrations are in order!
2018-06-24 21:05:34	lukelau	alanz: sorry for the huge diff by the way, it quickly got out of hand as each time I split out a module, I would get a new dependency error
2018-06-24 21:06:17	alanz	I agree on the congratulations. And it is for all of us who are involved in any way
2018-06-24 21:06:21	lukelau	Should I paste back in the old CodeAction types into CodeAction.hs, branch and then create a second PR?
2018-06-24 21:06:29	alanz	I think that would be best
2018-06-24 21:06:54	alanz	Because we also need to decide on timing of starting to use it, no point having it in hie if none of the clients support it
2018-06-24 21:07:24	lukelau	There’s a configuration option in ClientCapabilities so it should be backwards compatible
2018-06-24 21:07:25	alanz	and we may end up with a 0.3.x series for the older version, unless it is backward compatible/negotiated at startup
2018-06-24 21:07:40	lukelau	But at the moment I don’t even think VS code supports it
2018-06-24 21:07:42	alanz	Ok, they are normally good about that, good to hear
2018-06-24 21:07:52	alanz	It will probably be in their next release
2018-06-24 21:08:24	alanz	But even so, separating out straight refactoring commits from ones that make functional changes is a good practice
2018-06-24 21:09:07	alanz	And we are up to 1001
2018-06-24 21:09:18	lukelau	🎉
2018-06-24 21:09:30	alanz	This is star number 1000: https://github.com/NickSeagull
2018-06-24 21:09:56	lukelau	Does he win a prize? lol
2018-06-24 21:10:25	lukelau	I also believe that makes us the 3rd most starred LSP server on github
2018-06-24 21:10:38	lukelau	behind rust and cquery
2018-06-24 21:10:46	alanz	nice
2018-06-24 21:11:00	lukelau	And in front of PHP apparently
2018-06-24 21:11:45	alanz	And the more people use it, the more bugs get filed, the more things get improved, the more people use it. And contribute. A virtuous circle
2018-06-24 21:12:10	alanz	Where do you see those stats? Hand crawling?
2018-06-24 21:12:23	lukelau	Clicking on the language-server-protocol tag on github
2018-06-24 21:12:29	alanz	ok
2018-06-24 21:12:53	lukelau	We have a pretty healthy pulse on github too
2018-06-24 21:13:07	lukelau	34 PRs merged in the last month by 6 people
2018-06-24 21:13:20	lukelau	26 closed issues and 12 new issues
2018-06-24 21:13:35	lukelau	With code from 7 different contributors!
2018-06-24 21:19:07	alanz	yes, the contributor count is the biggest health indicator in my mind
2018-06-24 21:19:35	alanz	Total contributors is 56, over all time
2018-06-24 21:20:10	 *	alanz has to go now
2018-06-24 21:21:20	lukelau	Don’t celebrate too hard!
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2018-06-24 23:56:52	gleachkr	Anyone experiencing issues with nvim (basically, language server is non-responsive after startup) on the latest commit?
2018-06-25 00:14:15	gleachkr	Or, actually, not fully non-responsive. It logs incoming stuff from the client, but doesn't send anything back other than "no hoogle database detected".
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2018-06-25 01:13:05	--	Notice(GitHub131): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #657: Check if stack is installed during version check (master...check-stack-installed) https://git.io/f4SOJ
2018-06-25 01:13:10	--	Notice(GitHub38): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 6 new commits to master: https://git.io/f4SAc
2018-06-25 01:13:10	--	Notice(GitHub38): haskell-ide-engine/master ffb2eee Luke: Use stack library to work out stack ghc version
2018-06-25 01:13:10	--	Notice(GitHub38): haskell-ide-engine/master 7672943 Luke: Add tests for version checking
2018-06-25 01:13:10	--	Notice(GitHub38): haskell-ide-engine/master 63b2f10 Luke: Check if stack is installed
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2018-06-25 02:01:40	lukelau	gleachkr: With LanguageClient-neovim?
2018-06-25 02:02:28	gleachkr	Yeah. Just realized that it's only affecting 8.0.2. I may need to rebuild from that alternate branch.
2018-06-25 02:08:26	lukelau	Yeah 8.0.2 has a special branch. And as far as I’m aware I don’t think hie-wrapper handles 8.0.2 and below unfortunately
2018-06-25 02:22:19	alanz	lukelau, we may have to backport it to that branch
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2018-06-25 02:40:41	lukelau	alanz: what parts of master can’t be compiled on 8.0.2?
2018-06-25 02:42:30	alanz[m]	lukelau: I think it is more related to the cabal version which limits which ghc-mod we can use
2018-06-25 02:42:59	alanz[m]	But I would have to look, and have already shutdown my machine for the night
2018-06-25 02:46:30	lukelau	alanz[m]: I’m digging around at the moment
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2018-06-25 03:31:19	gleachkr	lukelau: It's working after a rebuild.
2018-06-25 03:32:38	gleachkr	And, is called and started correctly by hie-wrapper
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2018-06-25 10:40:47	sclv	wz1000: just pinging for a status update
2018-06-25 10:40:59	sclv	looks like you've been getting into a lot of ghc stuff trying to sort out sourcespans?
2018-06-25 10:41:39	sclv	my main anxiety is having something that looks like an actionable branch of GHC proper for what you've been doing, that could potentially be a PR.
2018-06-25 10:41:50	sclv	my sense is you've been working out of tree to get momentum going
2018-06-25 10:42:13	sclv	and my worry is that this is a positive in that it cuts out a lot of tricky bits, but it is a negative in that eventually those tricky bits will need to be handled
2018-06-25 10:42:24	sclv	and i just don't have a sense of what your timetable is for when you'll do what
2018-06-25 10:42:44	sclv	in that i suspect you've diverged, for cause, from the rough timetable you had when you entered on this project
2018-06-25 10:43:12	sclv	it would be good to get a summary email to all mentors just checking in on what you think you've done to date, and how you think you'll allocate the remainder of the summer
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2018-06-25 11:05:44	wz1000	sclv: hey
2018-06-25 11:06:14	wz1000	Regarding the GHC stuff, I just need https://phabricator.haskell.org/D4866 merged
2018-06-25 11:06:26	wz1000	which is a pretty small change
2018-06-25 11:08:05	wz1000	I've been working on collecting scope information, which becomes quite tricky for things like scoped type variables
2018-06-25 11:08:45	wz1000	I have a validateScopes function that checks that names in the AST occur within their calculated scopes
2018-06-25 11:09:10	wz1000	It seems to be mostly working, but there are a few edge cases I still have to handle
2018-06-25 11:10:08	wz1000	for example, class op sigs and instance sigs bring stuff into scope only in their corresponding default class method / instance method declaration
2018-06-25 11:10:32	sclv	gotcha
2018-06-25 11:12:33	wz1000	I'll make a progress report on ghc-devs by this evening
2018-06-25 11:13:29	wz1000	sclv: with the scope thing done, I think the AST is mostly ready
2018-06-25 11:13:47	sclv	Swet
2018-06-25 11:13:53	sclv	Sweet, even
2018-06-25 11:13:54	wz1000	just need to serialise it, register it in the ghc package db stuff
2018-06-25 11:14:01	wz1000	and then I can get haddock to use it
2018-06-25 11:15:13	wz1000	sclv: also, I think I can replace this stuff to use my thing: https://github.com/ghc/ghc/blob/master/ghc/GHCi/UI/Info.hs
2018-06-25 11:17:42	wz1000	sclv: if you want to look at the generated AST: https://drive.google.com/open?id=11LU7KgmmhVPnjfGhbK1sUTDROcktXFjs
2018-06-25 11:17:57	wz1000	it is gzip compressed and around 600 mb uncompressed
2018-06-25 11:18:33	wz1000	search for `Scopes are invalid` to see the cases I don't handle yet
2018-06-25 11:19:23	wz1000	it also has a bunch of make/haddock fluf, so ignore that
2018-06-25 11:19:30	wz1000	I generate it by doing make > out
2018-06-25 11:21:13	sclv	hm
2018-06-25 11:21:21	sclv	is that Info stuff the stuff for :i in ghci?
2018-06-25 11:22:31	sclv	I guess if its generated on module load anyway
2018-06-25 11:22:43	sclv	then it makes sense to replace
2018-06-25 11:22:52	sclv	gives the new stuff a workout
2018-06-25 11:23:03	sclv	and cuts down redundency
2018-06-25 11:23:13	sclv	i wonder if it lets us increase the expressiveness of ghci in any way?
2018-06-25 11:24:03	wz1000	sclv: that is for :set +c
2018-06-25 11:24:13	wz1000	which does something similar to the AST I'm generating
2018-06-25 11:24:26	wz1000	But it doesn't seem to work very well
2018-06-25 11:24:41	wz1000	In my traversal I patch up a lot of stuff GHC messes up
2018-06-25 11:25:04	wz1000	and I use info from both the renamed and typechecked ASTs
2018-06-25 11:27:37	wz1000	sclv: That thing also stores info for all SrcSpans, but my thing arranges it in a tree so lookups are logarithmic instead of linear
2018-06-25 11:27:47	wz1000	(other than storing much more info)
2018-06-25 11:29:24	sclv	ah
2018-06-25 11:29:32	sclv	i didn't even know about the +c stuff, more the fool me
2018-06-25 11:30:02	sclv	is that mostly for ide support, or do people just make use of it in their workflow?
2018-06-25 11:30:32	wz1000	I think its mostly for ide support. I think it migrated over from intero
2018-06-25 11:30:52	sclv	ah makes sense
2018-06-25 11:31:09	wz1000	https://github.com/commercialhaskell/intero/tree/master/src
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2018-06-25 11:33:35	wz1000	sclv: it originally came from https://github.com/chrisdone/ghci-ng
2018-06-25 11:33:43	wz1000	which redirects to the intero page
2018-06-25 11:36:28	sclv	yeah, figured
2018-06-25 11:36:34	sclv	lots of intero was earlier from ghci-ng
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2018-06-25 13:13:58	asheshambasta	I'm a little stumped by this error message: https://gist.github.com/asheshambasta/45eb7f9dd3218a7c95d890b2736e1602 
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2018-06-25 13:16:07	asheshambasta	+ doing `stack install cabal-helper` doesn't really do much and it fails with `cannot find cabal-helper-wrapper` executable. Also, what I don't understand at L#9 is why hie seems to be looking for cabal-helper in the directory it was built in (git clone and all that jazz). I was assuming the stack build commands were supposed to just build universal binaries and store them forever in a bin path on my sy
2018-06-25 13:16:28	asheshambasta	but it looks like since I cloned the repo in /tmp and rebooted, the binaries seem to have gone missing 
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2018-06-25 13:17:20	asheshambasta	(probably easily resolvable with a reinstall, but I find it strange that you have to retain directories and keep interlinking binaries across things like this -- if my line of reasoning is correct)
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2018-06-25 13:25:19	asheshambasta	(which makes this more of a stack question, perhaps)
2018-06-25 13:36:24	asheshambasta	update: reinstall fixes the issue, so maybe what I was seeing and inferring was correct. So, when doing a stack install from the hie directory, you need to preserve the .stack-work produced in that directory since the hie binary (which is installed in ~/.local/bin) references binaries there. 
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2018-06-25 15:04:58	panaeon	Hi, the hie doesn't work for me from the start, because it calls `stack ghc --version` and stack complains that `--version` parameter is unknown. When I change this line to `stack ghc -- --version` than everything works. Is it my set up that is broken?
2018-06-25 15:27:28	lukelau	panaeon: No that was a dumb typo by me. It’s fixed on the latest version master, so if you pull and make build again it should be fixed
2018-06-25 15:34:52	panaeon	lukelau: thanks!
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2018-06-25 19:37:52	--	Notice(GitHub7): [haskell-ide-engine] ktonga closed pull request #493: [WIP] CLI option for showing GHC version the project is using (master...ghc-version-opt) https://git.io/vAjad
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2018-06-25 20:52:49	lukelau	Is it a bad idea to catch all exceptions thrown in IdeDispatch and then just restart it?
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2018-06-25 21:01:27	lukelau	At the moment it just swallows errors and dies quietly so it’s not much different than not catching them I guess
2018-06-25 21:01:34	lukelau	Although I’m not sure if restarting it is a good idea
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2018-06-26 01:44:00	alanz	lukelau, we need to do something like that, but there are certain exceptions we need to pass on, such as the ones from Ctrl-C etc.
2018-06-26 01:44:59	alanz	It might be better to log it and then crash the whole server on receiving one, so we can find out what happens in the wild and deal with it. Closer to the Erlang way of doing things
2018-06-26 01:45:14	alanz	And to do that, I think we need to use the link thing from async
2018-06-26 01:46:23	alanz	lukelau, see https://hackage.haskell.org/package/async-2.2.1/docs/Control-Concurrent-Async.html#g:8
2018-06-26 01:47:34	alanz	Eventually we should link all of our processes, so we can be sure that all exceptions bubble up to the root
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2018-06-26 04:17:52	lukelau	alanz: Ok for now I’m just going to log + throw to the main thread and crash it, added a todo inside to look at using link
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2018-06-26 13:59:49	alanz	lukelau, see https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/inspector/
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2018-06-26 14:57:02	markusr	hello, I am trying to read some Haskell code ( https://github.com/matterhorn-chat/matterhorn ) and would like to use hie in combination with VS Code to get "Go to Definition"-functionality. I seriously can't get it working. I press F12 or 'g d' and nothing happens. I have 1) installed hie with stack-8.2.2.yaml as I was running into linker problems (macOS) with ghc 8.4.3 from stack.yaml. 2) 
2018-06-26 14:57:08	markusr	installed the VS code plugin 3) opened the matterhorn directory as a VS code workspace. -- What am I missing? does matterhorn need to be converted to a stack project? that won't work as not all dependencies are in stack.
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2018-06-26 14:58:59	liste	markusr: stack can use non-stackage deps too
2018-06-26 14:59:04	liste	markusr: if you specify them explicitly
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2018-06-26 15:00:33	markusr	liste: so the workspace does indeed need to be a stack project in order for hie to work properly?
2018-06-26 15:02:14	liste	markusr: no, it works with non-stack projects oto
2018-06-26 15:03:44	markusr	hrm... so I am missing something. I just don't know what.
2018-06-26 15:15:44	markusr	never mind, spacemacs + hie works. I am really not sure what is up with VS code.
2018-06-26 15:37:06	liste	markusr: what OS?
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2018-06-26 16:20:42	lukelau	alanz: looks like we’ll need to match up the logging format to match the whatever languageserver-node does
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2018-06-27 15:10:33	asheshambasta	Hi everyone. I'm using hie 0.2.0.0 from emacs. What I'm seeing is that LSP-ui stops working after some time (the windows displaying documentation on the top-right stop appearing) and I have then to do `lsp-restart-workspace` to get it to work again. How do I debug this?
2018-06-27 15:11:13	asheshambasta	version: `Version 0.2.0.0, Git revision 3370c8a0a8808e03c1f6354bcecddd80593cf546 (1539 commits) x86_64 ghc-8.2.2`
2018-06-27 15:16:24	asheshambasta	I cannot find a general pattern as to why/how/when this happens. The lsp stderr buffer says: ```hie: /Users/asheshambasta/code/centralapp/vela/src/System/CertStorage/Agents: fileAccess: does not exist (No such file or directory)
2018-06-27 15:16:24	asheshambasta	 
2018-06-27 15:16:24	asheshambasta	Process lsp-haskell stderr finished
2018-06-27 15:16:24	asheshambasta	```
2018-06-27 15:17:05	asheshambasta	So this seems to be related to directory delete etc. when I'm moving things around and/or creating or deleting some modules. Is this expected behaviour?
2018-06-27 15:19:28	alanz	asheshambasta, I think you need to do a reconfigure or build if you do that kind of thing
2018-06-27 15:19:38	alanz	hie will not just pick it up. I think
2018-06-27 15:20:21	asheshambasta	alanz: ok, thanks for clarifying, although its a little strange that lsp-ui seems to stop working altogether 
2018-06-27 15:20:36	asheshambasta	also, going to definition just times out when this happens
2018-06-27 15:21:08	alanz	ok, that should not happen, can you maybe log a ticket with a log from when that happens?
2018-06-27 15:22:29	asheshambasta	okay will do
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2018-06-27 16:16:55	asheshambasta	alanz: actually, this just happened and I don't really see anything in the logs. Moreover, it seems like everything in the affected buffer stops working: error highlighting etc. just stops working randomly (regions highlighted earlier are just left highlighted even if corrected)
2018-06-27 16:17:45	asheshambasta	in the lsp-haskell customization settings, I'm passing -l /tmp/hie.log and the file is empty (I cleared the file after retrying). There was a debug option -d earlier as well, which I removed.
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2018-06-27 19:13:02	wz1000	bgamari: I think this might be a better place to talk
2018-06-27 19:14:36	bgamari	hey, sure
2018-06-27 19:15:14	bgamari	alright, so generally the only AST that we serialise is the Iface AST
2018-06-27 19:15:23	wz1000	bgamari: so I get the impression that all the ways to serialize names currently in GHC only work for Exported things
2018-06-27 19:15:29	wz1000	Yeah
2018-06-27 19:16:16	bgamari	in an interface file local names are serialised as string names
2018-06-27 19:16:29	bgamari	which are resolved when the iface syn is renamed
2018-06-27 19:16:50	bgamari	and yes, external names are serialised as proper Names
2018-06-27 19:17:09	bgamari	the interrface file has a symbol table
2018-06-27 19:17:25	bgamari	which allows us to deduplicate name occurrences
2018-06-27 19:17:31	wz1000	yeah
2018-06-27 19:17:59	wz1000	so if I want to serialize arbitary names, I would have to roll something new?
2018-06-27 19:18:36	bgamari	ultimately the Name is serialised as its OccName 
2018-06-27 19:18:56	bgamari	wz1000, well, local names are generally difficult
2018-06-27 19:19:16	bgamari	e.g. if I have a top-level binding
2018-06-27 19:19:21	bgamari	f = let x = ... in ...
2018-06-27 19:19:28	bgamari	how should I name `x`?
2018-06-27 19:19:31	wz1000	Uniques for local names are "unique" in the file, right
2018-06-27 19:19:52	bgamari	right, uniques are only unique in a given compiler session
2018-06-27 19:19:54	wz1000	I want a way to relate all the occurences of `that` x together
2018-06-27 19:19:58	bgamari	and generally shouldn't be serialised
2018-06-27 19:20:37	wz1000	but we do want to serialize the for the .hie file
2018-06-27 19:20:53	bgamari	fair enough
2018-06-27 19:21:25	wz1000	in the sense that given any symbol, you should be able to 1) recognise all other occurences of that symbol
2018-06-27 19:21:26	bgamari	so right, you could introduce a symbol table into the hie file
2018-06-27 19:21:43	bgamari	so you could give each name some sort of identifier
2018-06-27 19:21:47	wz1000	2) get the symbol definition location
2018-06-27 19:21:56	bgamari	e.g. a number
2018-06-27 19:21:57	wz1000	yeah, thats what I was thinking
2018-06-27 19:22:25	bgamari	that is a fairly sensible option
2018-06-27 19:22:34	bgamari	I probably wouldn't use the unique though
2018-06-27 19:22:41	wz1000	determinism?
2018-06-27 19:22:44	bgamari	right
2018-06-27 19:22:58	wz1000	ok
2018-06-27 19:23:11	wz1000	and I'm thinking types will be stored as the pretty printed string
2018-06-27 19:23:32	bgamari	hmm
2018-06-27 19:23:45	bgamari	that is a start
2018-06-27 19:23:54	wz1000	deduplicated, of course
2018-06-27 19:24:22	bgamari	although then how is one to, for instance, resolve a type constructor name appearing in a type
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2018-06-27 19:25:06	wz1000	hmm, so should I traverse Type too and convert it to something like HieAST?
2018-06-27 19:25:20	bgamari	types are pretty important so I suspect so
2018-06-27 19:25:30	bgamari	moreover, the type language is pretty simple
2018-06-27 19:25:41	wz1000	yeah
2018-06-27 19:26:02	wz1000	TyVarTy is what we are mostly interested in, right?
2018-06-27 19:26:18	wz1000	The leaf of the tree, that is
2018-06-27 19:26:27	bgamari	TyConApp
2018-06-27 19:26:36	wz1000	oh yeah, that too
2018-06-27 19:26:54	bgamari	CoercionTys can be dropped
2018-06-27 19:27:09	bgamari	hmm
2018-06-27 19:28:23	wz1000	bgamari: there is no compression library in the ghc boot libraries, right?
2018-06-27 19:28:43	wz1000	Because I've found gzip currently does wonders for the pretty printed HieAST
2018-06-27 19:28:56	bgamari	CBOR encoded?
2018-06-27 19:29:06	wz1000	and then we get type subtree deduplication for free
2018-06-27 19:29:37	bgamari	well, to some extent
2018-06-27 19:29:47	bgamari	you still need to deserialise the repeated things
2018-06-27 19:29:50	bgamari	which may be expensive
2018-06-27 19:30:05	bgamari	it might still be worth interning structures
2018-06-27 19:30:09	bgamari	lilke types
2018-06-27 19:31:08	wz1000	interning?
2018-06-27 19:31:20	bgamari	deduplicating
2018-06-27 19:31:48	bgamari	we have a trie map in GHC which works on types
2018-06-27 19:31:55	bgamari	so it shouldn't be so far
2018-06-27 19:32:33	bgamari	however, you can also compress
2018-06-27 19:32:40	bgamari	we don't have a compression library
2018-06-27 19:32:50	bgamari	however, you might borrow the implementation from https://phabricator.haskell.org/D1159
2018-06-27 19:33:05	bgamari	which we considered merging at some point
2018-06-27 19:34:02	wz1000	hvr was talking about that once
2018-06-27 19:34:07	wz1000	why was it dropped?
2018-06-27 19:36:09	bgamari	it just wasn't worth it
2018-06-27 19:36:47	bgamari	simonpj sums it up with "This will save 60M out of 867M installation."
2018-06-27 19:37:47	bgamari	ahh
2018-06-27 19:37:50	bgamari	and it regressed
2018-06-27 19:38:00	bgamari	https://phabricator.haskell.org/rGHC9bb277269ec020f138fe70a65f5972466113ab61
2018-06-27 19:43:25	wz1000	no one ever got to the bottom of that?
2018-06-27 19:44:29	wz1000	bgamari: do you know any good subtree dudupe algorithms
2018-06-27 19:44:41	bgamari	no one did
2018-06-27 19:44:54	bgamari	wz1000, I would just put load everything into a trie
2018-06-27 19:45:47	bgamari	see, for instance, what is done for type deduplication in TcTypeable
2018-06-27 19:46:30	bgamari	TcTypeable.getKindRep
2018-06-27 19:47:17	bgamari	KindRepMap is a TypeMap mapping to the interned name
2018-06-27 19:47:32	bgamari	so in your case this would be a TypeId or something like this
2018-06-27 19:48:55	wz1000	CoreMap.hs
2018-06-27 19:48:56	wz1000	?
2018-06-27 19:50:41	bgamari	yep
2018-06-27 19:51:41	wz1000	ok, I think I have enough to get started
2018-06-27 19:51:43	wz1000	thanks
2018-06-27 19:53:21	bgamari	cool
2018-06-27 19:53:45	bgamari	feel free to ping if things go south
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2018-06-27 21:53:35	shafox	I am getting this error: Got error while processing diagnostics: could not execute: hspec-discover while adding this {-# OPTIONS_GHC -F -pgmF hspec-discover #-} to Spec.hs 
2018-06-27 21:59:06	lukelau	shafox: add “build-tool-depends:  hspec-discover:hspec-discover” to the test-suite in your cabal file
2018-06-27 22:01:07	shafox	lukelau: package.yml would be equal ? 
2018-06-27 22:04:09	lukelau	verbatim: |
2018-06-27 22:04:09	lukelau	  build-tool-depends:
2018-06-27 22:04:10	lukelau	      hspec-discover:hspec-discover
2018-06-27 22:04:15	lukelau	shafox: according to https://github.com/sol/hpack
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2018-06-27 22:33:12	wz1000	bgamari: so I suspect TrieMap as defined in GHC won't work for my use case
2018-06-27 22:34:05	wz1000	what I really want is for it to be possible to index into the TrieMap somewhere and recover the structure uptil that point
2018-06-27 22:34:33	wz1000	And I don't really need the `Map` part, just the `Trie` part
2018-06-27 22:35:14	wz1000	for example, in this trie: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Trie_example.svg/1920px-Trie_example.svg.png
2018-06-27 22:35:46	wz1000	I need the ability to look up the string at [1,2,2] and get `ted`
2018-06-27 22:40:28	wz1000	also, in the case of types, isn't it more likely to get a common "suffix" than a common "prefix"?
2018-06-27 22:41:10	bgamari	did you have a look at the KindRep implementation?
2018-06-27 22:41:38	bgamari	I believe it does something very similar to what you want
2018-06-27 22:43:22	bgamari	for instance, when we find a type `AppTy t1 t2`
2018-06-27 22:43:38	bgamari	we lookup t1 and t2 in our environment
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2018-06-27 22:43:56	bgamari	wz1000, and use these results to construct the result
2018-06-27 22:44:11	bgamari	so we get sharing in this way
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2018-06-27 22:58:14	shafox	lukelau: adding that also gives me error. 
2018-06-27 22:58:56	shafox	my package.yml https://gist.github.com/shadow-fox/272bef453a4c4bf0b14ea4b4fcf4553d
2018-06-27 23:04:16	shafox	Do I have to install hspec-discovery ? 
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2018-06-27 23:38:12	shafox	After running stack build --test and then stack install hspec-discover solved the issue of not able to execute hspec-discover error in vscode. 
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2018-06-28 12:25:23	wz1000	bgamari: ping
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2018-06-28 19:27:01	bgamari	wz1000, hey
2018-06-28 19:28:58	wz1000	bgamari: hey
2018-06-28 19:29:21	bgamari	wz1000, ponog :)
2018-06-28 19:29:32	wz1000	so I've been looking at getKindRep
2018-06-28 19:29:58	wz1000	And it does indeed reduce working when looking up stuff from the map
2018-06-28 19:30:23	wz1000	I don't really think it performs deduplication of trees
2018-06-28 19:30:52	wz1000	take AppTy for example
2018-06-28 19:31:55	wz1000	given AppTy a b; it will lookup the map ! a, map ! b and use those to contruct map ! (AppTy a b)
2018-06-28 19:32:05	wz1000	but then it inserts AppTy into the map as it is
2018-06-28 19:32:19	wz1000	so you don't really get subtree depulication
2018-06-28 19:32:39	wz1000	if b was already in the map, it doesn't matter
2018-06-28 19:33:23	wz1000	there will be a new entry in the map for (App a b) that duplicates all the structure of b
2018-06-28 19:33:47	wz1000	Like I said yesterday, I think it only deduplicates "prefixes"
2018-06-28 19:34:06	wz1000	so abcd and abcde will be stored efficiently
2018-06-28 19:34:19	wz1000	but not eabcd and abcd
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2018-06-28 19:37:17	wz1000	bgamari: ^
2018-06-28 19:39:11	bgamari	wz1000, If I have AppTy a (some_big_type) and AppTy b (some_big_type) then I will end up generating three things:
2018-06-28 19:39:55	bgamari	x = some_big_type; y = AppTy a x; z = AppTy b x
2018-06-28 19:40:07	bgamari	that looks deduplicated to me ;)
2018-06-28 19:40:56	wz1000	does it really work like that?
2018-06-28 19:41:01	bgamari	yep
2018-06-28 19:41:21	bgamari	to be clear, the getKindRep business is generating a binding
2018-06-28 19:41:34	wz1000	yeah, I was lookit at xtT
2018-06-28 19:41:38	bgamari	so it binds a name to some_big_type
2018-06-28 19:41:39	wz1000	in CoreMap
2018-06-28 19:41:52	wz1000	and I don't see where it does the duduplication stuff
2018-06-28 19:42:00	wz1000	*looking
2018-06-28 19:42:08	bgamari	and that name, not some_big_type, is what is referred to
2018-06-28 19:42:50	wz1000	yeah, I get that
2018-06-28 19:43:24	bgamari	wz1000, CoreMap doesn't do the deduplication; it's merely the data structure that getKindRep uses to track the things it has already produced
2018-06-28 19:43:31	bgamari	wz1000, look at go'
2018-06-28 19:43:41	wz1000	so the trie structure is a dag?
2018-06-28 19:43:58	bgamari	wz1000, it first looks in the core map to see whether the type it was asked for is already in the trie
2018-06-28 19:44:11	bgamari	wz1000, if it is, then it uses the existing binding
2018-06-28 19:44:26	bgamari	wz1000, if not, then it concludes it needs to generate a new binding
2018-06-28 19:44:56	bgamari	wz1000, which is done by mkKindRepRHS
2018-06-28 19:45:49	bgamari	wz1000, when mkKindRepRHS encounters, for instance, an AppTy a b, it calls getKindRep on a and b to get their kind reps 
2018-06-28 19:45:55	wz1000	bgamari: I'm talking about deduplication of the Key, not the value
2018-06-28 19:46:16	bgamari	which is how we get deduplication
2018-06-28 19:46:42	wz1000	bgamari: for example, if you insert "ab" and "eab" in the map, will you get something like this? https://lpaste.net/2896462920072298496
2018-06-28 19:46:53	wz1000	forgive the shitty ascii
2018-06-28 19:47:11	bgamari	ahh, perhaps I see the confusion
2018-06-28 19:47:35	bgamari	so CoreMaps contain tree-like structures 
2018-06-28 19:47:54	bgamari	really, I wouldn't worry about what the representation of the TrieMap looks like
2018-06-28 19:48:06	bgamari	it's just a lookup data structure
2018-06-28 19:48:26	bgamari	which can efficiently be keyed on types and expressions, which are trees
2018-06-28 19:48:29	wz1000	but we want the key to be deduped, right? that is the whole point
2018-06-28 19:49:06	wz1000	for my use case, we don't have a value, i.e. we are dealing with TypeMap ()
2018-06-28 19:49:31	bgamari	ahh, so that is your problem
2018-06-28 19:49:34	bgamari	you *do* have a value
2018-06-28 19:49:43	bgamari	it will be the name that you give to the type
2018-06-28 19:49:49	bgamari	TypeMap TypeId
2018-06-28 19:49:59	bgamari	where TypeId is, for instance, an integer
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2018-06-28 19:51:00	bgamari	wz1000, and you will write a function getTypeId :: Type -> State (TypeMap TypeId) TypeId
2018-06-28 19:51:35	wz1000	but we need the reverse too.
2018-06-28 19:51:49	bgamari	which will look at the type in the same recursive way that getKindRep and getKindRepRHS do
2018-06-28 19:52:11	wz1000	yeah
2018-06-28 19:52:27	wz1000	but we need TypeId -> TypeMap -> Type also
2018-06-28 19:52:33	wz1000	for deserialisation
2018-06-28 19:52:46	bgamari	right
2018-06-28 19:53:09	bgamari	or rather, not quite
2018-06-28 19:53:21	wz1000	so I was thinking TypeId could be the "path" through the tree that recreates our type
2018-06-28 19:53:25	bgamari	I suppose the type of getTypeId should rather be
2018-06-28 19:53:41	bgamari	getTypeId :: Type -> State (TypeMap TypeId, Map TypeId Type) TypeId
2018-06-28 19:54:01	bgamari	the TypeMap gives you an efficient way to build up the Map
2018-06-28 19:54:07	bgamari	which is the ultimate result
2018-06-28 19:54:16	bgamari	the Map is the interning table that you will serialise
2018-06-28 19:54:37	bgamari	or rather
2018-06-28 19:54:41	bgamari	getTypeId :: Type -> State (TypeMap TypeId, Map TypeId SerialisedType) TypeId
2018-06-28 19:54:54	bgamari	where SerialisedType is something like
2018-06-28 19:55:28	bgamari	data SerialisedType = TyVar Name | AppTy TypeId TypeId | TyConApp Name [TypeId] | ...
2018-06-28 19:57:08	wz1000	that makes sense. But we can have (Either TypeId SerializedType) too instead of TypeId
2018-06-28 19:57:29	bgamari	You could
2018-06-28 19:57:32	bgamari	or you can add
2018-06-28 19:57:59	bgamari	data SerialisedType =  InternedType TypeId | TyVar Name | AppTy SerialisedType SerialisedType | TyConApp Name [SerialisedType] | ...
2018-06-28 19:58:34	wz1000	yeah
2018-06-28 19:58:41	wz1000	so we throw away the TypeMap?
2018-06-28 19:59:59	bgamari	right
2018-06-28 20:00:10	bgamari	it is just to build the interning table
2018-06-28 20:00:38	wz1000	I thought the Trie was going to act like a efficient Set
2018-06-28 20:01:01	wz1000	but this approach seems workable
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2018-06-29 19:09:08	wz1000	bgamari: so I got the type deduplication stuff working. It was pretty straightforward after your help yesterday
2018-06-29 19:09:09	wz1000	https://github.com/ghc/ghc/compare/master...wz1000:hiefile#diff-061326034d75abe69dc0019cd16fe5deR47
2018-06-29 19:10:59	wz1000	btw, I moved everything out from haddock and into ghc/
2018-06-29 19:15:58	wz1000	Now I'm changing HieType to take a type parameter, such that Old.HieType = New.HieType TypeIndex, and Fix New.HieType ≅ GHC.Type
2018-06-29 19:16:14	wz1000	(modulo coercions)
2018-06-29 19:17:15	wz1000	bgamari: we don't have Data.Fix in the ghc boot libraries?
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2018-06-29 19:44:01	bgamari	wz1000, awesome
2018-06-29 19:45:01	bgamari	wz1000, nope
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2018-06-29 20:01:56	wz1000	and we don't have Free either...
2018-06-29 20:02:41	wz1000	Free HieType TypeIndex can represent inlined types without unecessary indirections
2018-06-29 20:04:38	bgamari	personally I would probably just open-code the needed type
2018-06-29 20:04:57	bgamari	I'm not sure how much free buys you here
2018-06-29 20:05:20	bgamari	other than generating twice as many closures ;)
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2018-06-30 18:57:30	wz1000	bgamari: do you think its ok to serialize an IntMap, or is it worth it to rename everything so that we can store an Array instead? I've got inlining working with this commit: https://github.com/wz1000/ghc/commit/19a0ad91699e71b6d76e801a1de11429c9a7cf63
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2018-07-01 05:02:44	bgamari	wz1000, you can just serialise the IntMap as a sorted list
2018-07-01 05:02:56	bgamari	which can be deserialised as an array if you wanted
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2018-07-01 08:03:30	wz1000	bgamari: I was more concerned about runtime instead - with an IntMap, to fully resolve a type, we get a factor of log(n)*(# of indirections), vs just (# of indirections) with an array
2018-07-01 08:03:51	bgamari	right
2018-07-01 08:03:58	bgamari	wz1000, which is why you would deserialise as an array
2018-07-01 08:04:35	wz1000	but we can't really do that, as some indices are are missing
2018-07-01 08:04:44	wz1000	due to the inlining process
2018-07-01 08:05:13	wz1000	the uninlined Map can exactly fit into an array
2018-07-01 08:05:33	wz1000	but when we inline it, not everything(the stuff that was inlined) makes it to the final map
2018-07-01 08:05:48	wz1000	so to put it into an array, we would have to reindex everything
2018-07-01 08:06:04	wz1000	which means traversing HieAST and reindexing that too
2018-07-01 08:06:05	bgamari	well, sounds like we have no choice then
2018-07-01 08:06:20	bgamari	a map is the only option if the index space really is sparse
2018-07-01 08:07:07	wz1000	well, like I said, we can have another pass that reindexes everything
2018-07-01 08:07:19	wz1000	so that the indices are contiguous
2018-07-01 08:08:06	bgamari	wz1000, perhaps the inlining simply isn't worthwhile?
2018-07-01 08:08:31	bgamari	afterall, finding a type is O(1)
2018-07-01 08:09:32	wz1000	but it might be in terms of space
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2018-07-01 23:29:43	ersran9	hey guys, I'm trying to get hie+emacs working. I'm getting an error "File mode specification error: (wrong-type-argument hash-table-p nil)" in emacs. Any idea what's going wrong? 
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2018-07-02 13:45:39	--	Notice(GitHub34): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 6 new commits to master: https://git.io/fXS2p
2018-07-02 13:45:40	--	Notice(GitHub34): haskell-ide-engine/master 55a6963 Jonathan: Fixes #660 by adding windows specific extension
2018-07-02 13:45:40	--	Notice(GitHub34): haskell-ide-engine/master f22cf9e Jonathan: Add lsp flag to make more like original script.
2018-07-02 13:45:40	--	Notice(GitHub34): haskell-ide-engine/master a7b5a0e Jonathan: Replaced specialized function with System.Directory builtin.
2018-07-02 13:45:40	--	Notice(GitHub24): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #661: Fixes #660 by adding windows specific extension (master...master) https://git.io/f45qY
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2018-07-02 22:39:26	--	Notice(GitHub177): [haskell-ide-engine] Anrock reopened pull request #664: Ignore hlint errors instead of flushing all hlints  (master...hlint-error-filter) https://git.io/f4FVU
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2018-07-04 15:33:35	wz1000	bgamari: is the UniqSupply in the NameCache the same as the global UniqSupply?
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2018-07-04 17:06:05	--	Notice(GitHub71): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #668: Add version of icu-macos-fix with no brew install (master...icu-macos-fix-no-brew) https://git.io/fbxST
2018-07-04 17:12:54	bgamari	wz1000, nope
2018-07-04 17:13:11	bgamari	wz1000, there are many unique supplies throughout GHC
2018-07-04 17:21:21	wz1000	bgamari: so I'm serializing local names as (OccName, SrcSpan) where the span is the definition location(n_loc)
2018-07-04 17:21:45	wz1000	how do I get a unique so I can turn it back into a Name?
2018-07-04 17:22:45	wz1000	I was using a Unique from the NameCache, as I'm using that to turn External names back into names any way
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2018-07-04 17:42:21	bgamari	well, Uniques are globally unique within a GHC session
2018-07-04 17:43:00	bgamari	UniqSupplies have a character code associated with them
2018-07-04 17:43:23	bgamari	which makes it easy to determine which unique a particular unique is
2018-07-04 17:44:00	bgamari	the unique you get when you request a new unique is a combination of the character and a global counter
2018-07-04 17:44:16	bgamari	which gets incremented with every requested unique
2018-07-04 17:44:31	bgamari	which is why they are globally unique
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2018-07-04 17:59:01	wz1000	bgamari: so is it ok to use uniqs from the NameCache for local Names?
2018-07-04 18:00:32	bgamari	I believe that should be fine
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2018-07-05 01:10:44	lukelau	I just noticed that we should be checking the client capabilities to determine what type of fields we should send back in WorkspaceEdit responses and other types etc.
2018-07-05 01:11:32	lukelau	All we need to do is check the client capabilities in haskell-lsp but then I noticed that there’s no way to access the lspfuncs inside IdeM/IdeGhcM
2018-07-05 01:12:09	lukelau	What should we do in terms of architecture? 
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2018-07-05 01:12:55	lukelau	I was thinking either we a) send back more primitive types from plugin IdeM/IdeGhcM functions e.g. send back a textedit, construct the workspace edit in the reactor
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2018-07-05 01:13:34	lukelau	Or b) add a reader transformer or something to IdeM
2018-07-05 01:14:00	alanz	Is this for the new code action stuff?
2018-07-05 01:14:34	lukelau	It affects the new types of code actions, but also existing types of requests
2018-07-05 01:15:00	lukelau	btw the circleCI failure turned out to be the cache, I didn’t bump the key properly the first time I tried
2018-07-05 01:16:08	lukelau	Or I guess c) Just don’t check and use the less advanced fields from the specification
2018-07-05 01:16:44	alanz	yes, I saw it passed. Great. And we need to make that key part a value we set once at the top, but my yaml skills are not up to it
2018-07-05 01:17:36	alanz	In terms of your question, I think we should make the config available, so the server can decide what to do and build
2018-07-05 01:18:24	alanz	Automatically converting from the one to the other is probably not a good idea, unless is is to an older version. But let's keep it simple to start with
2018-07-05 01:18:42	alanz	And code it up, and get a sense for how onerous it is.
2018-07-05 01:19:03	alanz	And we can move the code around if the initial choice does not make sense
2018-07-05 01:19:17	alanz	And this is all the more reason to have a good test setup.
2018-07-05 01:21:04	lukelau	I caught a similar issue with the tests where I wasn’t returning the right code action fields for the client capabilities, but somehow the workspace edit version slipped through
2018-07-05 01:21:43	lukelau	I should start adding assertions that the client only receives responses that its registered as capable
2018-07-05 01:22:37	alanz	yes, that is going to be an important feature.
2018-07-05 01:22:59	alanz	Sort of set up the capabilites of the client as a setup for a given test run, and then enforce them
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2018-07-05 21:14:24	--	Notice(GitHub132): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 4 new commits to master: https://git.io/fbhVF
2018-07-05 21:14:24	--	Notice(GitHub132): haskell-ide-engine/master 7dc06fb Luke Lau: Add version of icu-macos-fix with no brew install...
2018-07-05 21:14:24	--	Notice(GitHub132): haskell-ide-engine/master ebd350f Luke Lau: Reduce duplicate code in Makefile
2018-07-05 21:14:24	--	Notice(GitHub132): haskell-ide-engine/master 2963d6a Luke Lau: Use a better name
2018-07-05 21:14:26	--	Notice(GitHub145): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #668: Add version of icu-macos-fix with no brew install (master...icu-macos-fix-no-brew) https://git.io/fbxST
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2018-07-05 22:47:19	wz1000	sclv, bgamari: so I've got serialization working. Now I need to teach GHCs package stuff about hie files
2018-07-05 22:47:52	wz1000	will Cabal also need to know about it?
2018-07-05 22:48:55	sclv	hrm
2018-07-05 22:49:01	sclv	wz1000: good question
2018-07-05 22:49:18	sclv	i suspect the answer is, ultimately, yes
2018-07-05 22:49:47	sclv	but i don't think for installing into the packagedb yet
2018-07-05 22:49:56	sclv	just that it arguably should know about the flag and handle it like others
2018-07-05 22:50:19	sclv	i would't worry about it for now, tbh
2018-07-05 22:50:35	sclv	but just sort of deal with it if you run into it directly, which, fingers crossed, i don't think you will
2018-07-05 22:50:52	sclv	and otherwise cabal can play catch-up to the flag like it often does after the other core work is done
2018-07-05 22:51:35	sclv	you should ask on #hackage too though to get the input of hvr (who isn't in this channel) and other people who are cabal devs
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2018-07-06 04:23:52	lukelau	alanz: How long has this existed for? https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/extensions/example-language-server#_testing-the-language-server
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2018-07-06 12:04:24	owickstrom	domenkozar, are you around? :)
2018-07-06 12:05:40	owickstrom	asked a question on github regarding hie-nix and GHC 8.4 (https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix/pull/16#issuecomment-402935893), might be better to discuss it here than in that PR thread.
2018-07-06 12:10:15	alanz	lukelau, I do not know, I have not seen it before.
2018-07-06 12:10:57	alanz	But I think having client-agnostic testing is beneficial, and especially in a way that can be used easily in hie
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2018-07-06 14:33:45	alanz	lukelau, see also https://code.visualstudio.com/updates/v1_25#_language-server-protocol-inspector
2018-07-06 14:34:20	alanz	and https://code.visualstudio.com/updates/v1_25#_language-server-end-to-end-testing
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2018-07-06 15:46:12	lukelau	alanz: Yeah it looks like the E2E tester is through VS Code’s backend
2018-07-06 15:48:33	lukelau	I presume that we would need to update our logging to match up with whawtever the lsp-inspector requires
2018-07-06 15:54:53	lukelau	But I can’t seem to find exactly where that’s documented
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2018-07-06 16:29:26	lukelau	Still working on building that homebrew binary bottle by the way: https://i.imgur.com/zWloh3N.png
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2018-07-06 16:44:36	alanz	what is a homebrew binary bottle? A precompiled hie image?
2018-07-06 16:44:39	alanz	lukelau, my reading of that trace tool thing is that you enable tracing in vscode, and it stores the log which you can process
2018-07-06 16:44:41	alanz	But I have not looked in great detail
2018-07-06 16:57:08	lukelau	alanz: A precompiled image for a specific macos version
2018-07-06 16:57:25	lukelau	It just finished now, the resulting binaries are 644.7MB, built in 71 minutes 58 seconds!
2018-07-06 16:59:16	lukelau	I’ve also started work on the parsing/grammar for the mini-lang
2018-07-06 17:00:52	lukelau	Do you have any ideas for how we should express the message types? I was thinking we just let the user use the same names as the JSON in the spec e.g. msg.result.blah = “foo”
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2018-07-06 19:16:08	bgamari	wz1000, pong
2018-07-06 19:20:37	wz1000	bgamari: would a patch that makes this a real unique be accepted? https://github.com/ghc/ghc/blob/master/compiler/typecheck/TcTyDecls.hs#L903
2018-07-06 19:21:28	bgamari	hmm that is interesting
2018-07-06 19:21:42	wz1000	If you have scrollback, you might want to see my discussion with mpickering on #ghc last night
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2018-07-06 19:23:53	wz1000	bgamari: Right now I'm working around the issue by ignoring names with unique `mkBuiltinUnique 1`
2018-07-06 19:24:23	 *	bgamari is trying to work out what will break if we make this change
2018-07-06 19:28:08	bgamari	wz1000, have you tried making the change to see what breaks?
2018-07-06 19:28:37	wz1000	no, not yet
2018-07-06 19:28:54	wz1000	I have a few other roundtripping failures I'm trying to fix
2018-07-06 19:29:38	bgamari	it looks possible that nothing will break
2018-07-06 19:29:49	bgamari	that being said, it might be a bit of a pain to make the change
2018-07-06 19:29:56	bgamari	since you will need to make all of this monadic
2018-07-06 19:30:04	wz1000	yeah, thats why I was waiting for your go ahead
2018-07-06 19:30:05	mpickering	^
2018-07-06 19:30:15	mpickering	I really don't think this is necessary or a good idea
2018-07-06 19:30:47	wz1000	the only other option I have is to filter out Names with `mkBuiltinUnique 1`
2018-07-06 19:31:44	wz1000	or if maybe names introduced like this by the typechecker etc. are marked, so that I can ignore them
2018-07-06 19:32:43	wz1000	bgamari: Also, I'm getting roundtrip failures for names that are initially internal, but are later turned External
2018-07-06 19:34:42	wz1000	so they are internal, but when deserialised it is external. That can be safely ignored, right?
2018-07-06 19:35:54	bgamari	unfortunately it seems I have lost my log from last night
2018-07-06 19:36:08	bgamari	my computer was suspended and I can't find it in znc's log
2018-07-06 19:37:26	bgamari	but I think I agree with mpickering
2018-07-06 19:37:33	bgamari	it looks like it will be a very painful
2018-07-06 19:37:38	bgamari	change and an unnecessary one at that
2018-07-06 19:38:19	bgamari	as bad as special-casing uniques is, it may be the best we can do
2018-07-06 19:38:28	bgamari	afterall, these names are actually field names
2018-07-06 19:38:49	bgamari	which are rather different things with ORF
2018-07-06 19:39:09	mpickering	why are you considering these names anyway? They don't exist in source programs
2018-07-06 19:39:09	bgamari	different that normal binders, that is
2018-07-06 19:39:59	bgamari	wz1000, I'm not sure I follow your second issue but let's focus on the first one first
2018-07-06 19:46:07	wz1000	mpickering: the typechecked AST doesn't really distinguish. It puts it in AbsBinds, which is also where instance methods end up
2018-07-06 19:46:37	wz1000	so I don't have any way of distinguishing these parts of the AST from the parts that actually occur in the source
2018-07-06 19:46:39	mpickering	You can look at the IdInfo to distinguish
2018-07-06 19:47:00	mpickering	Sorry `IdDetails`
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2018-07-06 19:54:41	mpickering	Also each `MatchGroup` has an `Origin`
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2018-07-07 13:08:09	francesco_	Hi
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2018-07-07 13:08:42	francesco_	Is nix-style cabal projects support on the way?
2018-07-07 13:08:44	francesco_	I'd like to help
2018-07-07 13:08:55	francesco_	what could I do?
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2018-07-07 18:54:14	lukelau	alanz: ping
2018-07-07 18:56:22	lukelau	francesco_: I think there are plans for it and its been discussed, although I’m not sure if anyones started work on it yet! https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/558
2018-07-07 18:57:02	lukelau	You might need to look at ghc-mod, since it provides the underlying ghc/cabal/stack detection support
2018-07-07 19:20:08	alanz[m]	lukelau: I may get a chance to talk in about an hour, but rest of today is pretty tied up
2018-07-07 19:27:53	lukelau	alanz: ok 
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2018-07-07 20:22:35	Franciman	lukelau, thank you
2018-07-07 20:22:49	Franciman	I'll shall look into it (I was francesco_)
2018-07-07 20:23:00	Franciman	I shall look into it*
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2018-07-08 00:45:03	--	Notice(GitHub59): [haskell-ide-engine] mpilgrem opened pull request #669: Add Windows batch equivalent of `make build-all` (master...build-all) https://git.io/fNvzY
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2018-07-08 00:58:11	alanz	lukelau, hi
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2018-07-08 01:14:01	--	Notice(GitHub193): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #669: Add Windows batch equivalent of `make build-all` (master...build-all) https://git.io/fNvzY
2018-07-08 01:14:02	--	Notice(GitHub69): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fNvzx
2018-07-08 01:14:02	--	Notice(GitHub69): haskell-ide-engine/master 39027ed Mike Pilgrem: Add Windows batch equivalent of `make build-all`...
2018-07-08 01:14:02	--	Notice(GitHub69): haskell-ide-engine/master b9bea66 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #669 from mpilgrem/build-all...
2018-07-08 01:15:43	lukelau	alanz: Hi
2018-07-08 01:16:19	alanz	you pinged me earlier. about the mini lang I presume
2018-07-08 01:16:24	lukelau	Yeah
2018-07-08 01:17:23	lukelau	I have a horrible version up that doesn’t really do anything useful https://github.com/Bubba/haskell-lsp-test/blob/script-fsm/test/data/script/test.lsp
2018-07-08 01:17:26	alanz	I don't have any firm views on what it should look like, to be honest
2018-07-08 01:17:51	lukelau	But I wanted to ask more about maybe integrating this with hedgehog or the like
2018-07-08 01:18:14	alanz	that would make sense
2018-07-08 01:18:20	lukelau	I’ve got it hooked into haskell-lsp but it isn’t any more useful than just doing the same thing in Haskell
2018-07-08 01:18:25	lukelau	*haskell-lsp-test
2018-07-08 01:18:43	alanz	I think the language can be done in two steps, the first is to get it working solidly in haskell, with timeouts, etc
2018-07-08 01:18:50	lukelau	I’ve been playing about with hedgehog and its a lot to wrap my head around
2018-07-08 01:19:12	lukelau	alanz: Like ignore the parsing for now?
2018-07-08 01:19:18	alanz	and then writing something to convert a script type language to the same underlying haskell
2018-07-08 01:19:25	alanz	possibly.
2018-07-08 01:19:35	lukelau	I see
2018-07-08 01:19:46	lukelau	Is the ultimate goal to be able to do property based tests?
2018-07-08 01:19:55	alanz	In other words, get a core that we know is useful, and then see how we can generalise it for real world use
2018-07-08 01:20:08	alanz	it does not have to be property based tests.
2018-07-08 01:20:28	alanz	Being able to define a scenario and have it execute may be enough to start with
2018-07-08 01:21:10	alanz	property based testing is a bit of a mental leap, and trying to get your head around that at the same time as getting the mechanics of the testing process in place might confuse too much
2018-07-08 01:21:24	lukelau	What do you mean by scenario?
2018-07-08 01:21:55	alanz	Well, for example, the stuff we were discussing about checking capabilities
2018-07-08 01:22:35	alanz	so start up a client with a certain set of capabilities, and run through a scenario, such as doing an edit and getting diagnostics
2018-07-08 01:23:01	alanz	or doing a rename, or checking that the go to definition works
2018-07-08 01:23:43	lukelau	Should the current haskell-lsp-test library not be enough to define these types of scenarios?
2018-07-08 01:23:59	alanz	I think there is merit in trying to write tests for those kinds of things (basically all the stuff we have implemented in hie), to get a handle on what it feels like, and what repetition shows up
2018-07-08 01:24:13	alanz	so that we can consider ways of capturing that cleanly
2018-07-08 01:24:42	alanz	(my style is kind of bottom-up empirical, experiment with things and see what jumps out)
2018-07-08 01:24:46	lukelau	Yeah, when working on that code action branch I smoothed out the API as I was writing tests
2018-07-08 01:25:42	alanz	that is what I find too. You can think about stuff, but a lot more pops out when you start trying to actually use it
2018-07-08 01:26:06	alanz	the key is to stop and reflect every now and then, and be prepared to rework things based on what you have learned
2018-07-08 01:27:59	lukelau	So for the moment should I focus on refactoring/improving the library?
2018-07-08 01:28:15	lukelau	It could use a bit of a clean up, and other areas of the specification need more helper functions and the like
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2018-07-08 01:29:04	alanz	yes, while using it to write actual tests, initially for hie
2018-07-08 01:29:26	alanz	perhaps also for another language server, just to make sure we can generalise
2018-07-08 01:30:04	lukelau	Ok, that sounds good
2018-07-08 01:30:28	lukelau	the library is still pretty immature, I think we might have been jumping the gun a bit on that FSM stuff
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2018-07-08 01:30:59	lukelau	Although its fun none the less
2018-07-08 01:32:01	alanz	ok, but we need to be able to deal with timeouts, so can't avoid that completely
2018-07-08 01:32:58	lukelau	I think that will need another look at the current Session transformer stack
2018-07-08 01:33:11	lukelau	It’s pretty ugly at the moment
2018-07-08 01:34:31	lukelau	It’s also becoming more attractive to just fork/incorporate the ConduitParser library so we have more control over the stuff like timeouts etc.
2018-07-08 01:36:16	alanz	possibly
2018-07-08 01:36:48	alanz	the thing is, if you are processing a stream, and hit a timeout, what does it actually mean?
2018-07-08 01:37:17	alanz	in the context of a state machine, the stream is just an input source, wrapped into an event.
2018-07-08 01:37:33	alanz	A timeout is also just an input source, wrapped in an event.
2018-07-08 01:38:14	alanz	So to stay in the parser model, you could simply inject a new synthetic message, to indicate a timeout has occurred, and then consume it in the parser
2018-07-08 01:38:32	alanz	it is basically the same process, just wrapped as a message rather than an event
2018-07-08 01:38:42	lukelau	There’s the timeout from the perspective of waiting for input from the conduit, and a timeout from the perspective of the parsing
2018-07-08 01:39:06	alanz	well, i would collapse them into one.
2018-07-08 01:39:47	alanz	send a message, and launch a timer at the same time, that injects a message into the stream after n seconds saying a timeout has happened
2018-07-08 01:39:59	alanz	then the parser can match for it (or ignore it)
2018-07-08 01:40:36	alanz	the trick is to write the parser/test so that it does not do backtracking
2018-07-08 01:40:42	lukelau	I like the sound of that idea, although I remember the last time it was brought up I thought of some sort of caveat but I can’t remember it now. Should definitely give it a shot though
2018-07-08 01:40:52	alanz	which in my mind is another reason to use a deterministic state machine
2018-07-08 01:41:22	alanz	i.e. there is no backtracking
2018-07-08 01:41:26	lukelau	The way the library is done at the moment I don’t think we can avoid backtracking
2018-07-08 01:41:44	lukelau	There’s a lot of skipManyTills etc. and other combinators that rely on back tracking I think
2018-07-08 01:42:15	lukelau	So from the deterministic state machine point of view, the timeout would be from moving between states?
2018-07-08 01:42:30	alanz	it is just an event
2018-07-08 01:43:19	alanz	when you are in a state, you can transition to another state based on events. So one would be to receive a timout and go to state fail, the other would be to receive the message of interest and go to the next state
2018-07-08 01:43:52	lukelau	But the timer/countdown to send that timeout event would begin as soon as we move to another state right?
2018-07-08 01:43:57	alanz	and if an event comes in that is not in the list you give it is treated as the identity transition, so you stay where you are 
2018-07-08 01:44:36	alanz	yes, provided the action attached to the transition says that a timer must be started. With a unique id, possibly
2018-07-08 01:45:14	alanz	and then the state could have a transition to fail based on the unique timer id, and ignore other stale timer events that may pop up
2018-07-08 01:45:23	alanz	so no need to worry about canceling a timer
2018-07-08 01:46:51	lukelau	That makes sense, so then receiving a message and doing the identity transition would refresh the timeout
2018-07-08 01:47:55	alanz	I think the timeout should be set wrt to receiving a specific message from the server
2018-07-08 01:48:17	alanz	i.e. send a didChange for a doc, and expect diagnostics
2018-07-08 01:48:56	lukelau	I took a stab at that, making a function withTimeout :: Int -> Session a -> Session a
2018-07-08 01:48:59	alanz	receiving any number of say showMessage in between would not trigger a fresh timer, nor satisfy the transition to the next state
2018-07-08 01:49:49	alanz	yes, it would be specified as something like that
2018-07-08 01:50:13	lukelau	Hm the way I tried doing that function was with a fixed timeout per message (which I couldn’t figure out how to do with the current message of the Session stack) but I like the idea of a fixed timeout better
2018-07-08 01:50:15	alanz	and for a state machine model, that would be on the action taken for a given transition out of a state
2018-07-08 01:50:58	alanz	what is the Int param in your withTimeout used for? the actual timeout, or a unique id for matching later?
2018-07-08 01:51:08	lukelau	The actual timeout
2018-07-08 01:51:27	lukelau	Hopefully the library would handle creating ids for the timeout messages
2018-07-08 01:51:35	lukelau	Or do you mean LSP message id?
2018-07-08 01:52:33	alanz	I agree on the actual timeout and the lib managing the tie-up
2018-07-08 01:53:21	alanz	I will be back to my normal situation on monday, and will be able to experiment with the code you have written, and give more concrete advice by then
2018-07-08 01:53:26	alanz	btw
2018-07-08 01:53:38	lukelau	You’re still travelling right?
2018-07-08 01:54:37	alanz	yes, flying home tomorrow
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2018-07-08 01:56:11	alanz	thanks
2018-07-08 01:57:10	lukelau	I just sending a timeout message after a certain delay and immediately remembered the original problem
2018-07-08 01:57:23	alanz	which is?
2018-07-08 01:57:38	lukelau	Once I go into IO e.g. for threadDelay, fork etc. I can’t get back into Session
2018-07-08 01:57:44	lukelau	I can’t unliftIO
2018-07-08 01:58:17	alanz	well, I see doing things similar to what we do in the reactor thread in hie
2018-07-08 01:58:18	lukelau	And I nede to get back into session to send the message
2018-07-08 01:58:49	alanz	fork off a process that sleeps, then does a callback, which probably involves throwing a message into a TChan
2018-07-08 01:58:49	lukelau	Yeah this shouldn’t be as difficult as I’ve somehow made it…
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2018-07-08 01:59:15	alanz	and then run a state machine which sucks on the TChan, and transitions based on the events in it
2018-07-08 01:59:28	alanz	so it ends up clean and simple
2018-07-08 02:00:09	alanz	and easily testable, you can just inject a sequence of events into the TChan to model partcular things the server does
2018-07-08 02:00:22	lukelau	I see
2018-07-08 02:00:48	alanz	I am biased toward this design pattern, you may have noticed.
2018-07-08 02:01:12	lukelau	What’s the difference between chan and tchan again? Tchan guarantees atomicty?
2018-07-08 02:01:30	alanz	yes, and allows you to peek with a timeout, I think
2018-07-08 02:01:43	alanz	is the main reason I used them initially
2018-07-08 02:01:47	lukelau	That sounds tight down our alley
2018-07-08 02:01:54	lukelau	 *right
2018-07-08 02:01:58	alanz	yes
2018-07-08 02:03:13	lukelau	If we can do that then though we might not even need to do the whole sending timeout messages thing
2018-07-08 02:04:00	alanz	by doing the timout on reading the TChan? possibly, but we would still have to account for ignored messages
2018-07-08 02:04:20	lukelau	Ignored messages?
2018-07-08 02:04:56	alanz	ie. if we send something to the server, and then want something specific back within a time period, and not care about other messages that may appear, such as e.g. showMessage, logMessage, etc
2018-07-08 02:05:14	lukelau	Oh I see
2018-07-08 02:05:42	alanz	I can imagine scenarios where we send a didChange, and then a bunch of HoverRequests
2018-07-08 02:05:43	lukelau	Also I think currently when there’s a timeout we just throw an exception so that pretty much brings the entire session to a grinding halt. We should probably handle it a bit more sophisticatedly in case the user wants to catch the timeout and do something different instead
2018-07-08 02:06:04	alanz	and we ignore the hover responses, while looking for the diagnostics. For a timeout
2018-07-08 02:06:32	alanz	yes, so using it as an event for a state transition makes it easy
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2018-07-08 02:07:45	lukelau	Maybe once I fix this timeout stuff I should change the API of haskell-lsp-test so that everything is defined in terms of states
2018-07-08 02:10:55	alanz	I think it might make things easier
2018-07-08 02:11:02	alanz	especially the mini language
2018-07-08 02:11:25	alanz	and also more precise
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2018-07-08 02:17:32	 *	alanz afk now
2018-07-08 02:19:19	lukelau	Sorry got pulled away questioning some weird stuff I had done in haskell-lsp-test, talk to you later!
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2018-07-08 18:10:36	asheshambasta	Hey guys, I'm suddenly seeing this after deleting my ~/.stack dir; 
2018-07-08 18:10:36	asheshambasta	 '(hie: user error (Failed to find requested hint files:
2018-07-08 18:10:36	asheshambasta	  /Users/asheshambasta/.local/bin/data/hlint.yaml
2018-07-08 18:10:36	asheshambasta	)
2018-07-08 18:10:40	asheshambasta	 
2018-07-08 18:10:51	asheshambasta	Whats the expected way to mitigate this? Reinstall Hie?
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2018-07-09 17:51:17	--	Notice(GitHub55): [haskell-ide-engine] Anrock pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fNfHM
2018-07-09 17:51:17	--	Notice(GitHub55): haskell-ide-engine/master bc3d492 Mike Pilgrem: Re #669: Extend docs about make tool on Windows
2018-07-09 17:51:17	--	Notice(GitHub55): haskell-ide-engine/master aa21ace Vladislav Shtepin: Merge pull request #672 from mpilgrem/docs...
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2018-07-10 17:28:42	--	Notice(GitHub59): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #674: Update for LTS-12.0, bump resolvers where possible. (master...lts-12) https://git.io/fNUoD
2018-07-10 18:31:28	--	Notice(GitHub150): [haskell-ide-engine] Anrock closed pull request #673: Lts 12 (master...lts-12) https://git.io/fNJZp
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2018-07-10 19:28:58	--	Notice(GitHub116): haskell-ide-engine/master 89cbef6 Alan Zimmerman: Update for LTS-12.0, bump resolvers where possible....
2018-07-10 19:28:58	--	Notice(GitHub116): haskell-ide-engine/master e159e35 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #674 from alanz/lts-12...
2018-07-10 19:29:00	--	Notice(GitHub196): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #674: Update for LTS-12.0, bump resolvers where possible. (master...lts-12) https://git.io/fNUoD
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2018-07-10 20:04:30	hexagoxel	alanz: pong
2018-07-10 20:05:03	alanz	hexagoxel, hi. Do you have a timeline for GHC 8.6 support in brittany?
2018-07-10 20:05:29	alanz	(not trying to rush you)
2018-07-10 20:06:39	hexagoxel	i already looked into this, but quickly ran into dependencies that did not work yet, when trying with the blunt `allow-newer base containers etc`
2018-07-10 20:09:09	alanz	ok, I am using cabal new-build, and head.hackage
2018-07-10 20:09:15	alanz	which works quite well, for me
2018-07-10 20:10:47	hexagoxel	alanz: for ghc-exactprint, or hie? i think brittany/hie might have a way heftier footprint
2018-07-10 20:11:24	alanz	ghc-exacprint and HaRe
2018-07-10 20:11:42	alanz	And it seems the only things missing for hie are brittany and apply-refact
2018-07-10 20:12:13	alanz	but you need to use the ghc-8.6 branch for ghc-exactprint
2018-07-10 20:12:13	hexagoxel	hmm, maybe i should try again. what is the timeline on the ghc release?
2018-07-10 20:13:23	alanz	Here is my work: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/ghc-8.6
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2018-07-10 20:13:46	alanz	it needs a small update to hslogger which has not hit head.hackage yet
2018-07-10 20:13:54	alanz	hexagoxel, not sure on the release, tbh
2018-07-10 20:14:20	alanz	but you can look at the ghc-exactprint diffs to see what has changed. The src-ghc86/../Annotate.hs file
2018-07-10 20:20:54	alanz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg5moZ0fr2k
2018-07-10 20:20:56	alanz	I think
2018-07-10 20:24:29	alanz	lukelau, that link was for you
2018-07-10 20:25:06	lukelau	watching now
2018-07-10 20:34:44	wz1000	alanz, lukelau: I see you are going for a new language/format to describe lsp tests. Why not an embedded DSL in haskell itself?
2018-07-10 20:36:09	lukelau	wz1000: I think it was to make it more language agnostic, so that haskell doesn’t need to be installed
2018-07-10 20:36:39	wz1000	but the interpreter for the language is going to be written in haskell, no?
2018-07-10 20:37:57	lukelau	We can distribute binaries for that hopefully. Although currently haskell-lsp-test is converging towards a DSL
2018-07-10 20:38:04	lukelau	In Haskell
2018-07-10 20:39:22	lukelau	Maybe we won’t need the script language though, since it should just be a wrapper around the APIs already there
2018-07-10 20:39:33	lukelau	alanz: Is retrie a fork of exactprint?
2018-07-10 20:40:54	lukelau	alanz: Never mind just got to that slide
2018-07-10 20:41:41	hexagoxel	vector-algorithms does not like 8.6 yet. but apparently there is a build-plan without that package.. how curious.
2018-07-10 20:45:23	wz1000	if vector algorithms used Data Parallel Haskell, I'm pretty sure thats gone in 8.6
2018-07-10 20:58:18	hexagoxel	alanz: can i enable head.hackage on a per-project basis?
2018-07-10 21:00:55	alanz	yes, look at the project.cabal file in ghc-exactprint as an example
2018-07-10 21:01:32	alanz	wz1000, for lsp testing I see some kind of internal language, which can be translated from the external one.
2018-07-10 21:01:41	alanz	So for simple tests the bare language is fine
2018-07-10 21:02:36	alanz	hexagoxel, the main repo is https://github.com/hvr/head.hackage, look at what the scripts do
2018-07-10 21:02:39	alanz	or ask on #ghc
2018-07-10 21:03:19	 *	alanz afk agaib
2018-07-10 21:03:25	hexagoxel	right, thanks
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2018-07-10 22:50:08	hexagoxel	too dumb to follow instructions; it still uses wrong lib:Cabal (i think)
2018-07-10 22:50:22	hexagoxel	or i need more fine-grained allow-newer, not sure
2018-07-10 23:04:17	hexagoxel	oh eww, ghc-exactprint has a relative path in its cabal.project
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2018-07-10 23:27:14	alanz	hexagoxel, oops. Let me take a look
2018-07-10 23:27:54	alanz	hexagoxel, I think that is in head.hackage now, tbh
2018-07-10 23:29:30	hexagoxel	alanz: are there any exact steps to new-build the ghc-8.6 branch of ghc-exactprint?
2018-07-10 23:29:54	alanz	cabal new-update
2018-07-10 23:30:08	alanz	cabal new-configure --with-compiler=ghc-8.6.1
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2018-07-10 23:30:13	alanz	cabal new-build
2018-07-10 23:30:26	hexagoxel	i think i managed to new-update head.hackage
2018-07-10 23:30:50	hexagoxel	and this still runs into hashable problems
2018-07-10 23:31:20	alanz	I just pushed an update to cabal.project
2018-07-10 23:31:32	alanz	And I managed to build against it
2018-07-10 23:32:03	alanz	oh, I use allow-newer too
2018-07-10 23:32:04	alanz	cabal new-configure -froundtrip -fdev --enable-tests --with-compiler=/opt/ghc/8.6.0.20180627/bin/ghc --allow-newer
2018-07-10 23:32:32	alanz	btw, I am using a private GHC build, ghc 8.6.1a1 is missing one commit
2018-07-10 23:32:39	alanz	which is basically immaterial
2018-07-10 23:32:51	alanz	affects GADTs with extra parens
2018-07-10 23:33:25	hexagoxel	ok, i'll try this later. have to go for now (really need some food..)
2018-07-10 23:34:30	alanz	ok. I just ate :)
2018-07-10 23:44:49	cpn_uml	hello, is this channel appropriate for questions about haskell-lsp as well?
2018-07-10 23:45:02	alanz	cpn_uml, yes
2018-07-10 23:45:09	alanz	welcome
2018-07-10 23:45:28	cpn_uml	great!
2018-07-10 23:45:51	alanz	are you using haskell-lsp for something?
2018-07-10 23:47:34	cpn_uml	i'm considering it as an option for a project
2018-07-10 23:48:29	alanz	for what language? If that is not privileged
2018-07-10 23:49:06	cpn_uml	the project is in written in haskell
2018-07-10 23:49:26	alanz	and what would the language server be for?
2018-07-10 23:49:31	cpn_uml	i'm trying to add an auto-complete like feature for it, but it preferably needs to be editor agnostic
2018-07-10 23:50:13	alanz	well, that is what LSP is for
2018-07-10 23:52:31	cpn_uml	ok, i just have concerns about stability
2018-07-10 23:54:43	alanz	what stability? the clients? the spec?
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2018-07-11 02:02:05	hexagoxel	raaah i needed allow-newer Cabal. Because --constraint "Cabal ==2.3.0.0" does not apply to setup-depends
2018-07-11 02:02:09	hexagoxel	for some arcane reason
2018-07-11 02:02:16	hexagoxel	i hate you, cabal
2018-07-11 02:03:47	alanz	yes, allow-newer is needed, at the moment
2018-07-11 02:08:09	hexagoxel	(and yes, i guess it makes a certain degree of sense that "constraint"s don't apply to setup-depends but "allow-newer"s do, but the cabal UI is simply not designed to provide the relevant info to explain this. raah </rant>)
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2018-07-11 02:10:47	hexagoxel	alanz: ghc-exactprint compiles, and i finally can start actually fixing brittany for 8.6
2018-07-11 02:11:05	alanz	yay
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2018-07-11 04:43:08	--	Notice(GitHub137): [haskell-ide-engine] larskuhtz opened pull request #676: Add lower bound on yaml version (master...patch-1) https://git.io/fNT9y
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2018-07-11 06:23:12	sclv	wz1000: i have been and remain at a conference, so even less available than usual
2018-07-11 06:23:41	sclv	its appropriate for me to ping you for a status update though, so could you send one on to the mentors by email just for a checkin?
2018-07-11 06:23:42	sclv	thanks!
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2018-07-11 17:46:15	lukelau	Has anyone built hie on 8.6?
2018-07-11 17:46:25	lukelau	Does it still have the memory leak
2018-07-11 17:50:27	wz1000	I believe alanz is working on it
2018-07-11 17:51:16	alanz	we need brittany (which hexagoxel is working on) and apply-refact. Not sure when mpickering intends tackling that
2018-07-11 18:07:46	wz1000	alanz: if you are happy, we can merge #530
2018-07-11 18:08:09	alanz	on what? hie?
2018-07-11 18:08:32	alanz	ok, looking. case splitting
2018-07-11 18:09:51	alanz	done
2018-07-11 18:09:59	--	Notice(GitHub36): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 8 new commits to master: https://git.io/fNkwi
2018-07-11 18:10:00	--	Notice(GitHub36): haskell-ide-engine/master 97c72e5 Thomas Smith: Implement case splitting through ghc-mod
2018-07-11 18:10:00	--	Notice(GitHub36): haskell-ide-engine/master 77071f9 Thomas Smith: Add tests for case splitting
2018-07-11 18:10:00	--	Notice(GitHub36): haskell-ide-engine/master 920b2e3 Thomas Smith: Modify to use split'
2018-07-11 18:10:00	--	Notice(GitHub97): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #530: Implement case slitting through ghc-mod (master...case-split-259) https://git.io/vpm29
2018-07-11 18:10:21	wz1000	alanz: I assume the branch of ghc-mod hie is tracking has the needed changes merged?
2018-07-11 18:10:27	wz1000	for case splitting
2018-07-11 18:10:30	alanz	yes
2018-07-11 18:11:06	wz1000	lukelau: btw, what is the status of #659?
2018-07-11 18:16:22	lukelau	wz1000: Ready for review
2018-07-11 18:16:48	lukelau	I presume I will need to resolve some conflicts with the case splitting stuff
2018-07-11 18:17:08	lukelau	Looking forward to trying that out though now!
2018-07-11 18:35:51	alanz	GSOC evalations done
2018-07-11 18:37:35	lukelau	Same here
2018-07-11 18:38:00	lukelau	Past the halfway mark!
2018-07-11 18:40:02	--	Notice(GitHub187): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #676: Add lower bound on yaml version (master...patch-1) https://git.io/fNT9y
2018-07-11 18:40:03	--	Notice(GitHub194): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fNkiD
2018-07-11 18:40:03	--	Notice(GitHub194): haskell-ide-engine/master 6841327 Lars Kuhtz: Add lower bound on yaml version...
2018-07-11 18:40:03	--	Notice(GitHub194): haskell-ide-engine/master 845488b Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #676 from larskuhtz/patch-1...
2018-07-11 18:40:14	alanz	yes, making good progress, and plenty more to do
2018-07-11 18:41:40	mpickering	Is apply-refact broken by 8.6.1?
2018-07-11 18:44:50	alanz	yes
2018-07-11 18:45:29	alanz	The GHC AST changed (TTG and other things) so there are some mechanical changes that need to be made. I presume mechanical
2018-07-11 18:46:02	alanz	mpickering, I have been assuming there needs to be a new apply-refact per major GHC release?
2018-07-11 18:46:47	mpickering	how quickly do you want this done?
2018-07-11 18:47:36	alanz	No huge rush, we still have another alpha/beta. 
2018-07-11 18:47:58	alanz	But it woud be a nice feature to have HIE support really early in the cycle
2018-07-11 18:49:30	mpickering	sure I'm not sure when I can do it though as I have been struggling with some RSI recently
2018-07-11 18:56:39	alanz	when you are able.
2018-07-11 18:57:00	alanz	or if you like, I could tackle it.
2018-07-11 19:14:53	alanz	lukelau, I just imported a module to a test project (Data.Map). The quickfix popped up to add containers as a dep
2018-07-11 19:14:58	alanz	but it did not do it
2018-07-11 19:15:12	alanz	vscode (current), cabal-only project
2018-07-11 19:15:32	alanz	I guess I need to investigate. And/or write a haskell-lsp-test for it
2018-07-11 19:16:59	alanz	I lie, it does edit the cabal file, but does not save it (open in the editor). And discards comments in the process, and reformats 
2018-07-11 19:21:28	lukelau	alanz: Yeah it only applies the edit, probably not a good idea to save it if we’re obliterating all the comments
2018-07-11 19:22:02	lukelau	Now we need a ghc-exactprint but for .cabal files...
2018-07-11 19:22:40	lukelau	There are haskell-lsp-tests for the editing but it only really works on small files
2018-07-11 19:23:25	wz1000	lukelau: as an approximation, can't you save all the comments along with their line number, and then reapply them?
2018-07-11 19:23:27	lukelau	Depending on how bad it is to strip out comments we could replace it with something a little more lightweight, like using regex or something. 
2018-07-11 19:24:11	lukelau	wz1000: I could give that a shot
2018-07-11 19:24:36	lukelau	The formatting is still probably going to go out the window
2018-07-11 19:25:18	lukelau	I think the vscode-hie-server method of inserting dependencies is done with regex
2018-07-11 19:26:16	lukelau	Wheras the one in #659 checks for which component to add the dependencies to and edits it mechanically etc.
2018-07-11 19:29:45	alanz	lukelau, there is an open issue on cabal to enable round trip editing
2018-07-11 19:29:53	alanz	(like ghc-exactprint)
2018-07-11 19:30:33	alanz	But although the format is simple and regular, it does allow all sorts of nested and conditional things, which makes automatic editing non-trivial
2018-07-11 19:31:25	alanz	And I know intero does simple editing too, but it is opinionated, in that it assumes the file starts with a specific format first
2018-07-11 19:34:12	alanz	lukelau, your branch also does not work with current emacs client.
2018-07-11 19:34:27	alanz	So I presume the fallback processing is not working properly
2018-07-11 19:34:55	alanz	It shows the quickfix, but when I click on it it throws up a parse error from haskell-lsp
2018-07-11 19:38:14	lukelau	alanz: If its too complicated we can probably just leave out the code action and come back to it whenever there’s better tooling for it
2018-07-11 19:38:44	lukelau	I’ll take a look at it on emacs
2018-07-11 20:01:48	alanz	lukelau, I think the thing is to sort out what is required on the emacs side, then look at releasing this version
2018-07-11 20:02:14	alanz	or disable the feature if it is not supported, which is what I understand we are intending to do
2018-07-11 20:07:26	lukelau	alanz: We should be able to support it, I added a fallback command that should get used if the new code action stuff isn’t supported
2018-07-11 20:07:36	lukelau	Hopefully its just a bug I made
2018-07-11 20:07:57	alanz	I am sure it is something simple
2018-07-11 20:08:16	alanz	I need to go and read the code actions spec before wrapping my head too much around this stuff
2018-07-11 20:20:54	alanz	do we honour the current workspace/configuration message?
2018-07-11 20:21:57	alanz	the new LSP web site sucks. No internal links to the spec sections, the spec itself crammed into a narrow sliver in the middle
2018-07-11 20:24:20	lukelau	alanz: Yes thats what its based on
2018-07-11 20:24:47	alanz	with a section and string?
2018-07-11 20:24:59	alanz	and fall back to the old one?
2018-07-11 20:25:00	lukelau	Wait sorry my bad
2018-07-11 20:25:20	lukelau	I meant the clientcapabilities part in initialize
2018-07-11 20:25:29	 *	alanz reading the LSP spec for the first time in months
2018-07-11 20:25:30	lukelau	Not the workspace/configuration
2018-07-11 20:25:33	alanz	ok
2018-07-11 20:26:02	lukelau	Also yeah that LSP website is horrifying. I remeber you didn’t use to be able to scroll the sidebar that went off the page if you didn’t have a tall enough screen
2018-07-11 20:27:25	lukelau	there’s a section in textdocumentclientcapabilities for code actions
2018-07-11 20:27:52	lukelau	And I’m formatting the response to use the newer code action types if codeactionliteral support is set
2018-07-11 20:28:05	lukelau	Otherwise it falls back to just sending back commands
2018-07-11 20:28:34	lukelau	There’s a field in the new code action types to immediately apply a workspace edit, to prevent a round trip from the client to the server and back to the client when executing commands
2018-07-11 20:29:02	alanz	ok
2018-07-11 20:29:23	lukelau	So hie takes advantage of that if the client supports it, otherwise falls back to using a “hie:applyworkspaceedit” command, which just does the same thing
2018-07-11 20:29:27	lukelau	but with the round trip
2018-07-11 20:31:31	lukelau	What was the parse error you were getting from haskell-lsp?
2018-07-11 20:33:06	alanz	I will have to run it again, I was shutting down my machine at the time
2018-07-11 20:33:14	alanz	the command being executed, I think
2018-07-11 20:33:30	alanz	will do a comparison between emacs and vscode and see what shows up
2018-07-11 20:34:52	lukelau	I’m setting up emacs now, is there a canonical place to download/clone packages into?
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2018-07-11 20:41:20	alanz	well, it's complicated
2018-07-11 20:41:37	alanz	use a package manager
2018-07-11 20:42:08	alanz	I use https://github.com/raxod502/straight.el
2018-07-11 20:44:48	cpn-uml	hi, i am trying i set up lsp-haskell with haskell-ide-engine on emacs
2018-07-11 20:45:09	cpn-uml	hlint seems to work, but completion doesn't
2018-07-11 20:45:26	cpn-uml	i'm getting the following error from within emacs:
2018-07-11 20:45:35	cpn-uml	GHC.PackageDb.readPackageDb: inappropriate type (not enough bytes)
2018-07-11 20:45:59	alanz	does the project you are working on compile from the command line?
2018-07-11 20:46:03	alanz	what o/s?
2018-07-11 20:46:26	cpn-uml	yes, it does
2018-07-11 20:46:58	cpn-uml	ubuntu 18.04 with emacs 26.1
2018-07-11 20:47:12	lukelau	What ghc version is your project?
2018-07-11 20:47:18	alanz	and what kind of a project is it? stack? cabal only? what ghc or stack resolver?
2018-07-11 20:47:49	lukelau	Maybe its this https://github.com/DanielG/ghc-mod/wiki#readpackagedb-inappropriate-type
2018-07-11 20:47:56	alanz	cpn-uml, perhaps install vscode and see if that works, then at least you know your project and hie are ok
2018-07-11 20:48:05	lukelau	Which you can use hie-wrapper for
2018-07-11 20:48:30	cpn-uml	stack, with lts-8.18 resolver
2018-07-11 20:48:45	cpn-uml	i'll look into the issue and see if it works with vscode
2018-07-11 20:49:08	lukelau	cpn-uml: I think you need to use the version of hie from the hie-0.1.0 branch
2018-07-11 20:49:53	cpn-uml	i compiling form tried both master and hie-0.1.0, it still seems to be the same error
2018-07-11 20:50:23	alanz	cpn-uml, I think lts-8-18 may be a bit old, hold on
2018-07-11 20:50:31	cpn-uml	interestingly enough, it seems to work fine with the haskell-ide-engine source itself
2018-07-11 20:51:08	alanz	cpn-uml, that uses GHC 8.0.2, you need to compile hie from the 0.1.0.0 branch for that to work
2018-07-11 21:46:12	lukelau	alanz: Got it installed
2018-07-11 21:46:25	alanz	great
2018-07-11 21:46:26	lukelau	Emacs is a beast
2018-07-11 21:46:32	alanz	yes.
2018-07-11 21:46:57	alanz	But a good beast once you get to know it. And I use evil, for vim bindings. Best of both worlds
2018-07-11 21:47:32	 *	alanz afk 
2018-07-11 21:47:36	lukelau	Sorry this is taking so long I’m googling things along the lines of “how to change buffer” every 10 seconds or so
2018-07-11 21:48:47	lukelau	I should take some time to do a tutorial with it eventually, it looks fun. Especially with all the lisp
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2018-07-11 22:01:49	lukelau	So it looks like the import plugin’s arguments are an array of two elements, i.e. the executecommandparams look like { command:”hsimport:import”, arguments: [[uri, module]] }
2018-07-11 22:03:14	lukelau	And in languageclient neovim and vscode they send execute the command in the same way, i.e. they send back the array with two elements
2018-07-11 22:03:45	lukelau	But in emacs it seems to interpret the first element in the array as a key and the second as a value
2018-07-11 22:03:57	lukelau	i.e. "arguments":{"file:///Users/luke/Desktop/test/src/Lib.hs":["Test.Hspec”]}
2018-07-11 22:10:47	cpn-uml	ok, i tried installing with --stack-yaml=stack-8.0.2.yaml from the hie-0.1.0 branch
2018-07-11 22:11:15	cpn-uml	only hlint works with vscode, but it doesn't seem to be returning any errors
2018-07-11 22:12:42	cpn-uml	now emacs complains about an error message from the language server for both xref and completion
2018-07-11 22:13:07	cpn-uml	like `ideCode = PluginError, ideMessage = "hare:findDef: \"module not loaded\""'
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2018-07-11 22:29:16	lukelau	I’ve opened an issue for it here since it seems like an lisp-y anomaly https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-mode/issues/395
2018-07-11 22:29:44	lukelau	But it probably wouldn’t hurt to encode our arguments as objects anyway
2018-07-11 22:33:35	lukelau	cpn-uml: Does the log show any error messages?
2018-07-11 22:33:52	lukelau	in vscode its in $TMPDIR/hie.log if you have logging enabled in settings
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2018-07-11 23:53:07	alanz	lukelau, is that latest commit to make it work with emacs?
2018-07-11 23:54:39	alanz	because it now works :)
2018-07-12 00:01:16	cpn-uml	lukelau: nothing other than what emacs is already giving me
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2018-07-12 00:37:49	lukelau	alanz: Yeah, changed the params to a record type
2018-07-12 00:38:26	alanz	great. And I was thinking, having a test suite to qualify clients against would be a good thing.
2018-07-12 00:39:35	lukelau	like tests for client-specific behaviour?
2018-07-12 00:40:07	alanz	well, that issue you raised on emacs-lsp, for example
2018-07-12 00:40:17	alanz	lsp-mode, that is
2018-07-12 00:40:23	alanz	formatting of params
2018-07-12 00:40:37	alanz	but there is also the logic of doing things. 
2018-07-12 00:40:49	alanz	Not sure how it would look in practice, I guess
2018-07-12 00:41:36	lukelau	I’m not sure what you mean
2018-07-12 00:41:58	lukelau	Do you mean as in physically run the clients against the server?
2018-07-12 01:13:02	alanz	yes. But that means having the tests inside the client. Which means each client has its own tests.
2018-07-12 01:13:13	alanz	which means having commonality is not so easy
2018-07-12 01:13:37	alanz	BUT, we could have a server that analyses what comes through. I guess
2018-07-12 01:14:04	alanz	I wonder if we could tee the haskell-lsp-test thing in between the client and the server
2018-07-12 01:14:20	alanz	so it passes all messages through, but analyses/logs what it sees
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2018-07-12 18:38:51	lukelau	alanz: I guess that would also require we have some sort of way to control the clients
2018-07-12 18:40:45	alanz	that is the problem
2018-07-12 19:36:36	lukelau	I presume vim and emacs are scriptable
2018-07-12 19:36:57	lukelau	Vscode could maybe use like webdriver or something if its electron based?
2018-07-12 19:37:04	alanz	yes, but you can't have a common test
2018-07-12 19:37:20	alanz	and I think vscode has a test framework inside it anyway
2018-07-12 19:37:56	lukelau	Yeah
2018-07-12 19:38:20	lukelau	Come to think of it, haskell-lsp-test is almost becoming another client as well
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2018-07-12 20:17:02	alanz	yes
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2018-07-12 21:58:34	lukelau	alanz: I think the husky git hook conflicts with the format on save vscode option
2018-07-12 21:59:20	lukelau	Every time I save package.json and go to commit, husky stops it and undoes the changes
2018-07-12 22:08:15	lukelau	Sorry prettier, not husky
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2018-07-12 23:34:25	alanz	lukelau, ok, I guess we need someone who knows about vscode / typescript dev to take a look
2018-07-12 23:34:45	alanz	I know Tehnix went to a lot of trouble to set it up, perhaps someone messed it up after him
2018-07-12 23:35:13	alanz	And I want to merge the case split and push a new release tonight, if possible
2018-07-12 23:43:18	alanz	lukelau, I had an off the wall shower thought today. I wonder if we could write the tests in a language based on dhall?
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2018-07-12 23:50:20	alanz	wz1000, when do you think we will be able to start using your GSOC stuff in hie? For GHC 8.8?
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2018-07-13 00:12:17	lukelau	alanz: That’s a great idea, dhall would be perfect for our scenario
2018-07-13 00:12:52	lukelau	From what I’ve seen on twitter it looks really promising
2018-07-13 00:13:04	alanz	It is on my list of things to learn, to be honest. So can't comment on how practical it would be
2018-07-13 00:13:18	alanz	but I agree, it is worth investigating
2018-07-13 00:13:32	alanz	worst case you come out knowing how the hot new tech works :)
2018-07-13 00:14:08	lukelau	Very hot tech
2018-07-13 00:14:37	lukelau	We don’t need any turing completeness/non-termination as far as I’m aware
2018-07-13 00:15:36	lukelau	By the way the emacs issue turned out to be a bug with lsp-mode
2018-07-13 00:15:49	alanz	I saw that, and it is being discussed.
2018-07-13 00:15:54	alanz	So that is good
2018-07-13 00:16:17	alanz	And I am preparing a vscode plugin release, just resolving the merge with that case split thing
2018-07-13 00:17:32	lukelau	Is there a way to call the case splitting from other clients?
2018-07-13 00:19:07	alanz	well, I want to get my head around the operation first in vscode
2018-07-13 00:19:24	alanz	Because it is not clear to me how it should work
2018-07-13 00:19:34	alanz	I suspect it needs to send back snippets, or something
2018-07-13 00:19:46	alanz	which the ui can then present as options
2018-07-13 00:19:59	alanz	And we eventually expose it via code actions
2018-07-13 00:29:53	lukelau	alanz: Yeah, I think we should also start exposing some of HaRe stuff via code actions
2018-07-13 00:30:07	lukelau	Now that the new specification has specific types for refactoring suggestions
2018-07-13 00:34:29	alanz	I agree
2018-07-13 00:34:41	alanz	but we must first digest the first part
2018-07-13 00:34:50	alanz	I was trying your branch, and had it hang on me
2018-07-13 00:35:00	alanz	But have not had a chance to look at it yet
2018-07-13 00:38:39	lukelau	Was it hanging whenever running a code action?
2018-07-13 00:39:19	alanz	Yes, asking for a codeaction with no diagnostic
2018-07-13 00:39:26	alanz	if I recall correctly
2018-07-13 00:39:45	alanz	was planning on looking into it, but have been diving into the vscode rabbit hole
2018-07-13 01:41:45	alanz	So, I just tried the case split on HsExpr from GHC. Banged it all out
2018-07-13 01:41:52	alanz	but not qualified :(
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2018-07-13 01:55:39	--	Notice(GitHub128): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #679: Use standard parameter form for caseSplit command. (master...case-split-az) https://git.io/fNtna
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2018-07-13 02:19:11	lukelau	alanz: what file/editor were you testing this on? I can try and take a stab at it
2018-07-13 02:19:24	lukelau	And does that PR fix the qualified issue?
2018-07-13 02:20:02	alanz	I am waiting for my CI to complete, then will merge the param fix, and push the vscode update
2018-07-13 02:20:12	alanz	it does not fix the qualified issue
2018-07-13 02:20:22	alanz	I figured first get it in
2018-07-13 02:20:27	alanz	then make it work well
2018-07-13 02:21:11	alanz	And I am wondering if the new error reporting based on typed holes might be a better option for the case split stuff too
2018-07-13 02:21:28	alanz	its more general, and we can present it as a code action
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2018-07-13 02:21:53	alanz	https://mpg.is/papers/gissurarson2018suggesting.pdf
2018-07-13 02:22:07	alanz	its live in 8.4, improved in 8.6
2018-07-13 02:23:19	lukelau	Where does ghc-mod get the case splitting from at the moment?
2018-07-13 02:23:49	alanz	pulling out the types, and the constructors, I presume
2018-07-13 02:24:04	alanz	it will not be as accurate as the one built in to the typechecker
2018-07-13 02:24:25	alanz	There is so much low hanging fruit for code actions
2018-07-13 02:25:08	--	Notice(GitHub3): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #679: Use standard parameter form for caseSplit command. (master...case-split-az) https://git.io/fNtna
2018-07-13 02:25:09	--	Notice(GitHub102): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fNtWd
2018-07-13 02:25:10	--	Notice(GitHub102): haskell-ide-engine/master 8d3966b Alan Zimmerman: Use standard parameter form for caseSplit command....
2018-07-13 02:25:10	--	Notice(GitHub102): haskell-ide-engine/master 2bd3ebb Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #679 from alanz/case-split-az...
2018-07-13 02:25:36	alanz	On another note, I think the time is coming to have a hie ChangeLog, tied to versions, even if they are not published to hackage
2018-07-13 02:27:12	lukelau	alanz: Ah, I presumed it just used something already in the ghc api
2018-07-13 02:27:31	lukelau	I agree, we should start publishing versions regularly so we can also start producing binaries
2018-07-13 02:27:54	lukelau	And I wonder what types of binaries we can generate from circle ci
2018-07-13 02:28:11	lukelau	For the code actions there’s so many more I wanted to add
2018-07-13 02:28:16	alanz	binaries are a tricky process
2018-07-13 02:28:57	alanz	And for code actions, I think it is best to get the basics into please, and get comfortable with it, check it works in many clients etc
2018-07-13 02:29:05	alanz	And then extend the available actions
2018-07-13 02:29:55	lukelau	It’s a shame the homebrew PR didn’t work out, would have saved a lot of installation time/woes for macs. Not sure what the equivalent is for linux land
2018-07-13 02:30:15	lukelau	That PR gives a nice base to start extending code actions, now that its split into a separate module
2018-07-13 02:30:33	lukelau	That LspStdio module was starting to get really huge
2018-07-13 02:31:20	alanz	I know
2018-07-13 02:31:21	lukelau	But we could also look at maybe providing something in hie-plugin-api so that each plugin has an api to generate code actions if it can
2018-07-13 02:31:26	alanz	yes
2018-07-13 02:31:50	alanz	And I think we need to try and make that PR into one for the split, and one for the other.
2018-07-13 02:31:59	alanz	Rather do lots of small ones, than one big one
2018-07-13 02:32:12	alanz	It is easier to track what happened, after the fact.
2018-07-13 02:37:55	lukelau	It kind of all clumped together. I didn’t realise I would need to split it out into a separate module until after I had already started working on it. I could try chopping the PR from the commit where I do the split
2018-07-13 02:38:02	lukelau	Not sure if hie works at that point
2018-07-13 02:40:43	alanz	lukelau, btw, I had to run "npm install" before "vsce package" would run cleanly
2018-07-13 02:40:59	alanz	lukelau, leave it as it is for now
2018-07-13 02:42:38	alanz	And version 0.0.20 of the vscode extension should be coming soon ...
2018-07-13 02:42:44	alanz	just pushed the tag
2018-07-13 02:43:50	--	Notice(GitHub49): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #681: Bump to version 0.2.1.0, add Changelog (master...master) https://git.io/fNt8K
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2018-07-13 02:45:29	--	Notice(GitHub11): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #681: Bump to version 0.2.1.0, add Changelog (master...master) https://git.io/fNt8K
2018-07-13 02:45:32	--	Notice(GitHub147): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fNt8H
2018-07-13 02:45:32	--	Notice(GitHub147): haskell-ide-engine/master d6d9be7 Alan Zimmerman: Bump to version 0.2.1.0, add Changelog
2018-07-13 02:45:32	--	Notice(GitHub147): haskell-ide-engine/master 1e09a1a Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #681 from alanz/master...
2018-07-13 02:46:42	lukelau	🎉
2018-07-13 02:48:04	--	Notice(GitHub57): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz tagged 0.2.1.0 at 5de1d83: https://git.io/fNt4v
2018-07-13 02:50:18	alanz	And I just got the 0.0.20 update in vscode
2018-07-13 02:51:03	alanz	which has a working split case
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2018-07-13 02:52:38	lukelau	How do I use it? Do you call it over the type or the function
2018-07-13 03:15:28	alanz[m]	lukelau: look at the test in hie to see the idea, and then invoke the command in vscode from the command palette
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2018-07-13 07:35:43	wz1000	alanz: yes, 8.8 hopefully
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2018-07-13 14:04:09	mdim	Hello all!
2018-07-13 14:04:45	mdim	I see you had a release just 11 hours ago. Do installation instructions for GHC 8.0.2 still apply, i.e. do I need to checkout the hie-1.0.0.0 branch?
2018-07-13 14:28:53	alanz	mdim, yes
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2018-07-13 16:51:35	--	Notice(GitHub125): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba created troubleshooting (+1 new commit): https://git.io/fNqL4
2018-07-13 16:51:35	--	Notice(GitHub125): haskell-ide-engine/troubleshooting 331be1d Luke Lau: Update README.md
2018-07-13 16:52:00	--	Notice(GitHub68): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #682: Add integer-gmp troubleshooting to README (master...troubleshooting) https://git.io/fNqLu
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2018-07-13 21:00:37	alanz	mpickering, for GHC 8.6 you cannot put fixities into LHsExpr GhcPs. It is a NoExt there
2018-07-13 21:00:50	 *	alanz looking into updating apply-refact
2018-07-13 21:01:11	mpickering	What are you referring to?
2018-07-13 21:02:08	alanz	in apply-refact there is a module Fixities, that runs an updated mkOpAppRn
2018-07-13 21:02:30	alanz	but runs it on GhcPs AST, not GhcRn one
2018-07-13 21:02:52	mpickering	yes
2018-07-13 21:02:55	mpickering	what's the problem?
2018-07-13 21:02:56	alanz	and it has to run on GhcRn, the TTG stuff prevents storing the fixity in the GhcPs AST
2018-07-13 21:03:49	alanz	https://github.com/ghc/ghc/blob/ghc-8.6/compiler/hsSyn/HsExpr.hs#L723
2018-07-13 21:03:51	mpickering	? That sounds like a regression
2018-07-13 21:03:59	mpickering	If the information was present there before
2018-07-13 21:04:27	alanz	nope, that function of yours in apply-refact runs the fixity phase from the renamer on the parsed source
2018-07-13 21:04:46	alanz	which used to be ok, but now TTG locks down the data per phase
2018-07-13 21:05:09	mpickering	I thought TTG was meant to make this easier :) ?
2018-07-13 21:05:13	alanz	I wonder why fixities are not done as part of parsing
2018-07-13 21:05:30	alanz	it does make life easier, but this is an out-of-phase transition.
2018-07-13 21:05:52	alanz	A simple fix would be to change it to have a Fixity everywhere, its a simple PR
2018-07-13 21:06:15	mpickering	Sounds like the proper way to fix it is to have my own pass type rather than GhcPs?
2018-07-13 21:06:38	alanz	that is another way of doing
2018-07-13 21:06:39	alanz	it
2018-07-13 21:07:15	alanz	in my opinion the best would be to resolve fixities early. But I guess yours is a guess, working on well-known fixities only
2018-07-13 21:07:35	mpickering	yes it uses a fixed set
2018-07-13 21:07:47	alanz	Are the fixities used to rearrange the AST, which is the other thing to do
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2018-07-13 21:08:08	alanz	So it structurally represents the expression
2018-07-13 21:09:48	mpickering	yes they reassociate binary operators
2018-07-13 21:10:20	alanz	so perhaps store the fixity in the state which is already being used in that transformation
2018-07-13 21:10:45	alanz	because once the rearrange is done, the fixities no longer matter, I presume
2018-07-13 21:14:30	mpickering	which line causes the problem?
2018-07-13 21:14:48	alanz	in GHC? or in apply-refact?
2018-07-13 21:14:59	alanz	hold on, let me push my WIP
2018-07-13 21:16:46	mpickering	in apply-refact
2018-07-13 21:16:55	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/apply-refact/blob/ghc-8.6/src/Refact/Fixity.hs#L60
2018-07-13 21:16:59	alanz	fix2
2018-07-13 21:17:13	alanz	and L68 too
2018-07-13 21:17:39	alanz	for fix1
2018-07-13 21:17:54	alanz	and 74, and 96
2018-07-13 21:18:44	alanz	Storing the fixity against the SrcSpan in the state might work.
2018-07-13 21:19:04	alanz	an opapp always breaks down, so the spans should be unique
2018-07-13 21:19:13	mpickering	You could move the call to `findFixity` into `mkOppAppRn`
2018-07-13 21:20:09	alanz	that could work
2018-07-13 21:20:15	alanz	let me give it a go
2018-07-13 21:20:50	alanz	This is me basically diving in and hoping to just fix compiler errors, without needing to actually *understand* the code :)
2018-07-13 21:21:00	alanz	haskell makes you lazy
2018-07-13 21:21:04	mpickering	Sometimes that works
2018-07-13 21:21:15	alanz	surprisingly often
2018-07-13 21:21:34	alanz	Especially if you know that the major change is just an AST rejigger
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2018-07-13 21:43:18	alanz	mpickering, that worked, patched up the rest, running tests ...
2018-07-13 21:43:33	alanz	which passed
2018-07-13 21:47:04	alanz	mpickering, https://github.com/mpickering/apply-refact/pull/35
2018-07-13 21:48:40	alanz	So, the list of blockers for hie is britanny, and cabal-install. Which may have c-h/ghc-mod implications
2018-07-13 21:49:03	alanz	brittany, sorry
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2018-07-13 22:01:20	wz1000	alanz: why cabal-install?
2018-07-13 22:02:06	alanz	well, at the moment if I try to run my tests on HaRe it complains that cabal only supports up to GHC 8.4
2018-07-13 22:02:11	alanz	or < 8.6
2018-07-13 22:02:35	alanz	I have not investigated where it comes from. It does say cabal 2.0.0.1 only supports
2018-07-13 22:02:44	wz1000	but there is a cabal-install in ghc:HEAD, no?
2018-07-13 22:03:37	alanz	I presume, but the cabal-install / ghc-mod environment is complex, especially when it has to cope with all the operating systems and project setups
2018-07-13 22:05:57	alanz	And the problem might be with cabal new-test too
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2018-07-13 22:06:17	alanz	I need to investigate
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2018-07-14 15:54:33	alanz	hexagoxel, ping
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2018-07-14 16:52:00	hexagoxel	alanz: what's up?
2018-07-14 16:52:32	alanz	I was just wondering how the GHC 8.6 update is going.
2018-07-14 16:53:01	alanz	Because I have three options: 1) wait for you, 2) try to help, 3) disable in hie for the interim
2018-07-14 16:53:36	alanz	but I have just realised that cabal-helper needs an update, due to latest ghc-8.6 branch having an updated Cabal
2018-07-14 16:53:54	alanz	so I will be in that rabbit hole for a bit, can defer
2018-07-14 16:54:19	alanz	And then I think we will be really close to having hie support for GHC 8.6 a2
2018-07-14 16:55:29	alanz	hexagoxel, ^^
2018-07-14 16:59:25	hexagoxel	alanz: well, i just discovered that pattern synonyms don't help you with api changes if constructors not only change, but get added/removed.
2018-07-14 17:00:20	alanz	I shy away from them, because what happens when the next version of the compiler comes out? 
2018-07-14 17:00:29	alanz	So I rather just address things head on
2018-07-14 17:00:46	alanz	And am leaning to using field names where possible, rather than pattern matches
2018-07-14 17:02:34	hexagoxel	i am not far enough in to make a good prognosis for how long this will still take
2018-07-14 17:02:59	hexagoxel	i have some time this weekend
2018-07-14 17:03:03	alanz	ok, I am tied up with other stuff, so will leave you to it
2018-07-14 17:03:22	alanz	And don't screw up your social life for this ...
2018-07-14 17:04:03	hexagoxel	yeah, it really is "i have some time today, but not tomorrow" :)
2018-07-14 17:04:59	alanz	there is actually no great rush on this, the GHC release cycle will take a few more weeks still
2018-07-14 17:05:11	 *	alanz is assuming
2018-07-14 17:05:42	hexagoxel	alanz: ah, one more thing: will i need this special non-alpha-1 commit to test things?
2018-07-14 17:05:56	hexagoxel	i am still using the alpha release currently
2018-07-14 17:07:00	alanz	the only fix in the new alpha (wrt ghc-exactprint) is managing extra parens around a GADT declaration
2018-07-14 17:07:13	alanz	so ff :: (forall x. ....)
2018-07-14 17:07:31	alanz	otherwise you should be fine
2018-07-14 17:07:44	alanz	And I understand a2 will be coming out real soon now too
2018-07-14 17:08:18	hexagoxel	right, that sounds harmless
2018-07-14 17:08:50	alanz	it should not block your work
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2018-07-14 20:36:36	alanz	lukelau, I just looked at your code action PR in detail, in terms of the module splitout. It looks ok.
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2018-07-15 02:50:57	hexagoxel	too .. much .. CPP :(
2018-07-15 02:51:29	hexagoxel	btw i have found a decisive downside of pattern synonyms - the exhaustiveness checker breaks
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2018-07-15 12:22:27	wz1000	hexagoxel: there are COMPLETE pragmas
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2018-07-15 16:51:48	hexagoxel	good idea, but as this use-case mostly involves using the pattern synonyms once (per ghc version), and you have to manually check/confirm exhaustiveness once, so maintaining the COMPLETE pragma just shifts the work.
2018-07-15 17:15:47	lukelau	alanz: Sorry that PR ended up being so huge
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2018-07-15 18:05:50	alanz	lukelau, I have been mucking with it in my branch, https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/import-code-actions-az
2018-07-15 18:06:13	alanz	but there seems to be a race condition in haskell-lsp-test running a session, for GHC 8.2.2
2018-07-15 18:07:05	alanz	If I run just the rename test it is fine, but if I run them all together it bombs with an FD problem
2018-07-15 18:07:22	alanz	So resources are not being closed/reopened properly
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2018-07-15 21:55:38	--	Notice(GitHub99): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #659: ghc-mod code actions (master...import-code-actions) https://git.io/f47d8
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2018-07-16 08:43:04	c50a326	hey what's all this about specifying your project root?
2018-07-16 08:43:45	c50a326	every time I work on a different project I need to modify the project root in g:LanguageClient_serverCommands ?
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2018-07-16 12:05:33	c50a326	well LanguageClient#textDocument_definition() works for definitions within the project :D
2018-07-16 12:05:39	c50a326	doesn't work for putStrLn
2018-07-16 12:05:53	c50a326	wonder if it'd work for deps like network
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2018-07-16 15:37:29	c50a326	hey someone should talk to me
2018-07-16 15:37:39	c50a326	I've kind of given up on trying to use vim now
2018-07-16 15:37:48	c50a326	I think I'm going to give emacs a bash and also vscode
2018-07-16 15:37:58	c50a326	but jeez what's the deal with haskell tooling for editors
2018-07-16 15:38:12	c50a326	it looks like ghc-mod is abandoned and horrible, so now there's this unfinished haskell-ide-engine?
2018-07-16 15:42:00	wz1000	what problem are you facing, exactly?
2018-07-16 15:44:39	c50a326	well I'd like asynchronous smart auto-completion
2018-07-16 15:45:11	c50a326	and the only option seems to be things backed by ghc-mod which is always bugging out and has breakages between versions
2018-07-16 15:45:32	Tehnix	c50a326: did you have trouble setting up HIE?
2018-07-16 15:47:36	c50a326	Tehnix: well I installed it and tried some stuff with the LanguageClient thing
2018-07-16 15:48:09	c50a326	Tehnix: it just seemed to do things that Intero does (go to def, type sigs) and it doesn't do it for stuff in Prelude or in stack added dependencies I don't think?
2018-07-16 15:48:33	c50a326	Tehnix: it's not clear how to get completion working, and I'm not sure how "hover" works, I guess it's just placing the cursor at a certain point
2018-07-16 15:48:38	c50a326	also I was using ALE before and ALE is pretty decent
2018-07-16 15:48:50	c50a326	I didn't know if I should disable ALE before using HIE
2018-07-16 15:49:09	Tehnix	You using it in VIM?
2018-07-16 15:49:16	Tehnix	(or Neovim)
2018-07-16 15:49:39	c50a326	neovim
2018-07-16 15:49:51	c50a326	and my vim is vim8 anyways but neovim, I even aliased vim to nvim
2018-07-16 15:51:30	Tehnix	I remember getting it to work by having let g:LanguageClient_serverCommands.haskell = ['hie', '--lsp'] and then made an augroup that does au BufEnter *.hs :LanguageClientStart
2018-07-16 15:51:55	Tehnix	I think ALE should work side-by-side with it, but else you can try to temporarily disable it, and see how it goes
2018-07-16 15:52:28	Tehnix	The Neovim LSP client is under active development though, so that's assumine they did change a lot of things
2018-07-16 15:52:53	Tehnix	c50a326: one thing that might also catch you, is that the HIE you are using needs to match the GHC you are using in your project
2018-07-16 15:53:27	Tehnix	Meaning if you are working on a project using GHC 8.2, then the HIE you are using needs to be one compiled with GHC 8.2
2018-07-16 15:54:31	c50a326	Tehnix: I'm pretty sure I got it working, it doesn't have any mapping by default does it?
2018-07-16 15:54:39	c50a326	I was just playing with :call LanguageClient#...
2018-07-16 15:54:51	c50a326	and then I was just like meh, this isn't doing that much
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2018-07-16 15:56:53	Tehnix	You can do some interesting things though. For example, type on "hover" https://github.com/Tehnix/spaceneovim-layers/blob/master/layers/%2Blang/haskell/config.vim#L186 https://github.com/Tehnix/spaceneovim-layers/blob/master/layers/%2Blang/haskell/func.vim#L38
2018-07-16 15:57:29	Tehnix	Although still waiting on that PR to get closed for LSP support though :3
2018-07-16 15:57:43	Tehnix	And hoping Neovim floating windows lands soon, then that'd be a very nice combo
2018-07-16 15:59:09	c50a326	spaceneovim! wow lol
2018-07-16 15:59:36	Tehnix	Heh, I got jealous of Spacemacs ^_^ There's also another probably more maintained one called SpaceVim
2018-07-16 16:00:29	c50a326	yeah I saw that
2018-07-16 16:00:40	c50a326	Tehnix: so what does HIE use for completion?
2018-07-16 16:00:55	c50a326	the only thing that comes through from reading the HIE readme is that it uses this LSP thing
2018-07-16 16:01:01	c50a326	but apparently that work is pretty incomplete
2018-07-16 16:01:03	Tehnix	Under the hood IIRC it also uses ghc-mod, but it has abstracted all that away from the user
2018-07-16 16:01:10	Tehnix	LSP is working fine
2018-07-16 16:01:20	c50a326	so what features does this provide
2018-07-16 16:01:27	c50a326	completion, linting, navigation, everything?
2018-07-16 16:01:45	c50a326	I guess I can look at your haskell vim layer
2018-07-16 16:01:46	Tehnix	HIE in general? I think this list covers it https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#features
2018-07-16 16:02:33	Tehnix	Although that also depends on how far along each individual editors LSP implementations are
2018-07-16 16:02:40	Tehnix	Neovims is still a bit early I think
2018-07-16 16:03:04	c50a326	what should I use now then?
2018-07-16 16:03:08	c50a326	emacs or vs-code or?
2018-07-16 16:03:11	Tehnix	If you are asking why LSP, then I think this site covers it more https://langserver.org/
2018-07-16 16:03:26	c50a326	yeah I was looking at LSP and HIE yesterday
2018-07-16 16:03:41	c50a326	it must be what you said about neovim's lsp being too early
2018-07-16 16:03:47	c50a326	maybe I should try HIE with Emacs
2018-07-16 16:03:49	Tehnix	c50a326: VS Code is the most featureful, since MS is the original authors of LSP, and that's where HIE usually get's tested in
2018-07-16 16:04:00	c50a326	oh right
2018-07-16 16:04:02	Tehnix	Atom should also work, along with Emacs and somewhat Neovim
2018-07-16 16:04:15	c50a326	sigh... feels so treacherous installing vs-code
2018-07-16 16:04:29	c50a326	I can't believe it's come to this
2018-07-16 16:04:37	Tehnix	Haha, I know >.< I switch between, like, 3 editors regularly <.<
2018-07-16 16:05:04	Tehnix	If you want to try it with Spacemacs, I recently added these instructions https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#using-hie-with-spacemacs so it should be up-to-date
2018-07-16 16:05:15	Tehnix	(...brb, lunch)
2018-07-16 16:05:24	c50a326	I did just run spacemacs in the last hour too lol
2018-07-16 16:05:29	c50a326	was a bit overwhelmed tbh
2018-07-16 16:05:53	c50a326	hmmm I wonder if I can use vim plugins with spacemacs
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2018-07-16 16:21:44	c50a326	no ofc not
2018-07-16 16:21:53	c50a326	but yeah you're right, the best thing to do at times like these is use all of the editors
2018-07-16 16:21:59	c50a326	I'm going to pick emacs back up again and vs code too
2018-07-16 16:30:51	c50a326	actually screw vs-code
2018-07-16 16:31:10	c50a326	these aur packages won't build properly and I'll be damned if I'm going to install microsoft's binary on this linux machine
2018-07-16 16:31:23	c50a326	I'll just be an emacs and vim dualist
2018-07-16 16:32:14	Tehnix	With the Evil mode in Spacemacs it ain't half-bad
2018-07-16 16:32:30	Tehnix	Although you can still end up in some emacs mode stuff by accident
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2018-07-16 19:47:15	gleachkr	c50a326: I've got async autocompletion going in nvim with hie. Might be able to help with that.
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2018-07-16 19:56:31	gleachkr	tl;dr is that neovim-LanguageClient + deoplete seems to do the trick with just the default settings.
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2018-07-17 03:08:54	domenkozar	hmmm, does hie need to depend on GHC lib folder at runtime?
2018-07-17 03:10:32	domenkozar	I see following in hie-nix executable
2018-07-17 03:10:33	domenkozar	NIX_GHC_LIBDIR/nix/store/g0zdxfvy097bfgl0jp1yal8i99idfv3g-ghc-8.0.2/lib/ghc-8.0.2
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2018-07-17 12:18:44	--	Notice(GitHub4): [haskell-ide-engine] willbush opened pull request #685: fix typo (master...patch-1) https://git.io/fN3gG
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2018-07-17 14:13:21	jonathan_	i don't seem to be getting on-hover type signature definitions. any idea what might be going on?
2018-07-17 14:13:27	jonathan_	(i'm using vscode)
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2018-07-17 15:46:48	jonathan_	yay got it to work :D thanks!
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2018-07-17 16:03:35	mdim	Greetings. Anyone here using the IDE with the Atom editor?
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2018-07-17 16:48:51	--	Notice(GitHub90): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #687: Completion, rename and references functional tests (master...completion-tests) https://git.io/fN35F
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2018-07-18 01:33:06	mpickering	alanz: I looked tonight at apply-refact
2018-07-18 01:33:09	mpickering	I can't build the test dependencies yet
2018-07-18 01:37:12	alanz	are you using cabal new-build? after cabal new-update?
2018-07-18 01:37:36	mpickering	what does new-update do?
2018-07-18 01:37:38	alanz	(and GHC 8.6.1a2)
2018-07-18 01:37:48	mpickering	I am using a2 yes
2018-07-18 01:37:53	alanz	it brings in the overlay stuff from head.hackage
2018-07-18 01:38:01	mpickering	automatically?
2018-07-18 01:38:03	alanz	so that the deps build
2018-07-18 01:38:05	alanz	yes
2018-07-18 01:38:09	mpickering	that's... surprising behaviour
2018-07-18 01:38:26	alanz	Hold on, let me check if I updated the cabal.project file
2018-07-18 01:38:33	alanz	it only does it if that is in there
2018-07-18 01:39:29	alanz	no, I did not commit that, hold on
2018-07-18 01:39:46	mpickering	I am building the deps with nix now
2018-07-18 01:40:34	alanz	ok, I just pushed to the branch
2018-07-18 01:40:50	alanz	so you could use cabal new-update based on that, now
2018-07-18 01:41:14	mpickering	I won't do a release anyway until 8.6 comes out
2018-07-18 01:41:24	mpickering	because last time I did this I got some complaints that it didn't build
2018-07-18 01:42:15	alanz	fair enough, I was trying to get hie building, but I now realise I need to wait for the new cabal to be released too, and update cabal-helper to go with that
2018-07-18 01:42:30	alanz	but hopefully dxld will be able to do that
2018-07-18 01:43:42	alanz	This is the head.hackage config, btw: https://github.com/alanz/apply-refact/blob/ghc-8.6/cabal.project#L3
2018-07-18 01:45:57	mpickering	I would prefer not to add that I think
2018-07-18 01:46:40	alanz	ok
2018-07-18 01:55:47	c50a326	alanz: sorry, offtopic, but are you also on secure scuttlebutt? I recognise your name
2018-07-18 01:56:17	alanz	c50a326, yes. I don't recognise yours though
2018-07-18 01:56:33	c50a326	oh cool :D oh I didn't say much on there, I just read some
2018-07-18 01:56:46	alanz	ok
2018-07-18 01:57:34	alanz	and my profile lists my github, so easy to follow through too
2018-07-18 01:58:38	c50a326	I didn't start up patchwork for a while actually
2018-07-18 01:59:08	alanz	ok
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2018-07-18 23:28:30	--	Notice(GitHub88): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #685: fix typo (master...patch-1) https://git.io/fN3gG
2018-07-18 23:28:33	--	Notice(GitHub1): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fNZuL
2018-07-18 23:28:34	--	Notice(GitHub1): haskell-ide-engine/master d22f54f William Bush: fix typo
2018-07-18 23:28:34	--	Notice(GitHub1): haskell-ide-engine/master 7ffa637 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #685 from willbush/patch-1...
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2018-07-20 20:17:12	ndm	hey, having trouble getting it installed on windows
2018-07-20 20:17:41	ndm	the instructions are very confusing, but somewhat guessing, it seemed to download GHC 8.2.1 with stack?
2018-07-20 20:17:57	ndm	until I failed at:     ?0m?0m?0mInstalling executable HsColour in C:\sr\snapshots\34aaf3ee\bin     C:\Users\ndmit_000\AppData\Local\Programs\stack\x86_64-windows\ghc-8.2.2\mingw\bin\strip.exe: unable to rename 'C:\sr\snapshots\34aaf3ee\bin\HsColour.exe'; reason: File exists
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2018-07-20 21:13:25	lukelau	ndm: Try nuking your ~/.stack ? Might take a while to build after though 
2018-07-20 21:33:43	ndm	lukelau: will do. why was it trying GHC 8.2.2 anyway though? i thought it defaulted to 8.4.3?
2018-07-20 21:34:41	ndm	STACK_ROOT nuked, thanks!
2018-07-20 22:14:31	Gurkenglas	If I have an idea for an IDE feature and want to try making it, should I use hie?
2018-07-20 22:15:57	alanz	ndm, the install via make builds versions for 8.2.1,  8.2.2, 8.4.2, 8.4.3
2018-07-20 22:16:04	alanz	so this triggers an install of each
2018-07-20 22:16:11	alanz	in stack
2018-07-20 22:16:58	alanz	one day hie will be in stack, then the problem will go away. Or we can have versions locked to the compiler in use, and specify hie as a tool for it. Somehow
2018-07-20 22:17:33	alanz	Gurkenglas, what feature?
2018-07-20 22:18:29	alanz	hie is intended to be a place where it is easy to implement features, as the house keeping is already done
2018-07-20 22:19:05	Gurkenglas	alanz, take a code snippet that does not compile, change it "a little" so it compiles, adding typed holes is allowed so long as the types are "small"
2018-07-20 22:19:24	alanz	sounds like a great feature
2018-07-20 22:19:51	alanz	And could work from a plumbing point of view similar to the recently added case split
2018-07-20 22:20:02	alanz	plumbing === integration into hie
2018-07-20 22:21:00	Gurkenglas	The particular reason I'd wish for this is that if choosing "small" types can make use of type aliases, lens errors may be transformed into "this would work if you added a Setter' String Int *here*"
2018-07-20 22:21:51	Gurkenglas	alanz, so the interface hie provides is in fact Haskell-idiomatic enough that you want to build your components around it, yes?
2018-07-20 22:22:05	alanz	yes
2018-07-20 22:22:38	alanz	And the next layer to be built out will be the "little code twiddle" features, based on the CodeAction stuff lukelau just put in
2018-07-20 22:23:12	alanz	And I see us for example using the new typed hole suggestions as a source of edits, as well as other things that can be mechanically derived from the GHC error messages
2018-07-20 22:23:22	Gurkenglas	alanz, what website/documentation/api should I be working with for my usecase?
2018-07-20 22:23:44	alanz	This is OSS, the documentation lags :(
2018-07-20 22:23:59	alanz	best to ask here, and/or look at existing code
2018-07-20 22:24:10	Gurkenglas	What code should I be looking at?
2018-07-20 22:24:17	alanz	The key file is Transport/LspStdio
2018-07-20 22:24:30	Gurkenglas	*googles*, I suppose
2018-07-20 22:24:39	alanz	hold on ..
2018-07-20 22:24:47	Gurkenglas	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs this right
2018-07-20 22:25:34	alanz	yes
2018-07-20 22:25:35	Gurkenglas	As an example of a pretty good interface, I present http://hackage.haskell.org/package/gloss-1.12.0.0/docs/Graphics-Gloss.html#v:play . Do you have a function like that?
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2018-07-20 22:26:06	alanz	no, but would welcome a PR that gives us something like that
2018-07-20 22:26:11	Gurkenglas	(Though I would like it if gloss let me use an arbitrary MonadIO, and then I can choose to have MonadState world)
2018-07-20 22:26:38	alanz	We are still at that stage of getting things to work, and beating it into shape as more weird cases show up
2018-07-20 22:26:53	Gurkenglas	Do you engage in remote pair programming?
2018-07-20 22:26:57	alanz	So putting a nice abstraction on top is not the top priority
2018-07-20 22:27:13	alanz	I haven't, but I'm not against it
2018-07-20 22:27:32	alanz	no idea how to do it
2018-07-20 22:27:33	Gurkenglas	Is there an example of code that uses your interface I should be looking at?
2018-07-20 22:27:49	alanz	I am looking for something now, hold on
2018-07-20 22:28:12	Gurkenglas	Some simple ideas include text editors that sync files in real time, TeamViewer, etc
2018-07-20 22:28:26	Gurkenglas	(As in, you write a letter, it appears on the other's screen.)
2018-07-20 22:28:53	alanz	for pair programming in general, or as hie features?
2018-07-20 22:28:59	Gurkenglas	pair programming.
2018-07-20 22:29:29	Gurkenglas	I don't think this belongs in hie, editors that work with hie ought to be able to get collaborative editing features through other, language-agnostic plugins.
2018-07-20 22:30:34	wz1000	Gurkenglas: there are two seperate, mostly disjoint interfaces in HIE - The ghc+hie api to work with haskell stuff, and LSP bits to report stuff back to the client
2018-07-20 22:30:41	alanz	agree, but just checking
2018-07-20 22:31:21	Gurkenglas	wz1000, rephrasing to check understanding: HIE interfaces with editors on one side, and editor-agnostic haskell IDE feature plugins on the other side
2018-07-20 22:31:37	wz1000	yese
2018-07-20 22:31:39	wz1000	*yes
2018-07-20 22:31:45	alanz	Gurkenglas, this is the place you would tap into: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs#L524
2018-07-20 22:32:01	alanz	by exposing a command as a plugin that returns a workspaceEdit
2018-07-20 22:32:34	Gurkenglas	alanz, can you improvise a trivial plugin in on the order of a minute?
2018-07-20 22:32:57	alanz	Gurkenglas, no, but in maybe 15 mins
2018-07-20 22:33:05	alanz	its a good idea
2018-07-20 22:33:23	alanz	we used to have an example plugin, it is still there, but I think it has rotted
2018-07-20 22:33:50	Gurkenglas	If you would do it even if I weren't going to use it, I don't need to feel guilty about taking your time rather than throwing my brain on that code :P
2018-07-20 22:33:52	wz1000	Gurkenglas: On the IDE features side, HIE will take care of loading the modules/setting up GHC for you, and also gives you access to the live text buffer the user is working on(which they may not have saved to disk for example)
2018-07-20 22:34:07	alanz	Problem is my time is constrained tonight (7pm here), so I am only likely to get to it tomorrow
2018-07-20 22:34:25	alanz	I will see what I can do
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2018-07-20 22:34:58	Gurkenglas	wz1000, can my plugin choose to have access to a Haskell AST instead? Perhaps using TH types.
2018-07-20 22:35:24	Gurkenglas	I think I'll try mocking up a plugin using the interface I wish existed.
2018-07-20 22:35:49	wz1000	Gurkenglas: You have access to a cached version of a Haskell AST(not TH types, GHC types)
2018-07-20 22:36:15	Gurkenglas	That sounds fine. (Wait, those are different? Why would they be different?)
2018-07-20 22:36:16	wz1000	The AST is automatically updated when the user edits their file
2018-07-20 22:36:40	wz1000	Gurkenglas: TH types are much simpler than GHC types, GHC needs to keep track of a lot more stuff
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2018-07-20 22:37:14	alanz	Gurkenglas, here is the split case bit https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/GhcMod.hs#L306
2018-07-20 22:37:22	alanz	that does the actual work, in a plugin
2018-07-20 22:37:30	alanz	called via that executecommand call
2018-07-20 22:37:31	wz1000	Gurkenglas: the upshot is, it is very easy to access a TypecheckedModule for your file: https://www.stackage.org/haddock/lts-8.18/ghc-8.0.2/GHC.html#t:TypecheckedModule
2018-07-20 22:38:12	alanz	And this line does the actual work: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/GhcMod.hs#L316
2018-07-20 22:52:55	alanz	Gurkenglas, putting 2 and 2 together. djinn.
2018-07-20 22:53:38	Gurkenglas	alanz, hm? Not sure what you mean, but if you're happy "djinn" popped into your head, let me mention exference.
2018-07-20 22:54:21	alanz	is that yours? the modernisation of djinn?
2018-07-20 22:54:38	 *	alanz losing track of all the people and all the things
2018-07-20 22:55:58	wz1000	I think thats hexagoxel 
2018-07-20 22:56:10	alanz	thats what I thought, tbh
2018-07-20 22:56:42	alanz	and I *know* Gurgenglas ties back to djinn. https://github.com/Gurkenglas/Djinn
2018-07-20 22:57:17	alanz	unless that is the wrong Gurkenglas
2018-07-20 22:57:29	Gurkenglas	alanz, pressing fork takes one button, undoing that takes digging through menus and writing "DELETE" :P
2018-07-20 22:57:50	alanz	fair enough. git is a write-only medium
2018-07-20 22:58:02	alanz	It is a trail of interests at times. 
2018-07-20 22:58:16	alanz	I have dozens of repos I forked then never touched. 
2018-07-20 22:58:39	Gurkenglas	But yes, I expect I am interested in this for the same reasons I'm interested in (djinn and) exference
2018-07-20 22:59:08	alanz	I was hoping that was the case
2018-07-20 22:59:44	alanz	And the new GHC plugins can do some interesting stuff too. Looking forward to seeing how they fit into hie
2018-07-20 23:00:26	Gurkenglas	New GHC plugins?
2018-07-20 23:02:18	alanz	Latest GHC (8.6.1) has source plugins
2018-07-20 23:02:42	alanz	mpickering has done a lot with them
2018-07-20 23:02:53	alanz	if you google it
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2018-07-21 00:06:01	Gurkenglas	Here's a mock thingy https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/3be027906f4d4897a36f42bb99de596d
2018-07-21 00:14:23	Gurkenglas	*looks at https://github.com/mpickering/hashtag-coerce * cool! But oh man, won't people just not include those because dependencies are evil^tm?
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2018-07-21 01:30:49	ndm	alanz: that explains the 3 hour compiles :) - but works nicely now - am impressed
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2018-07-21 18:27:17	lukelau	Everytime I run the functional dispatcher tests, my laptop makes a grinding sound
2018-07-21 18:27:27	lukelau	Is anyone else experiencing this? lol
2018-07-21 18:28:18	wz1000	the hard disk platter?
2018-07-21 18:28:38	lukelau	I have an SSD though which is what makes me worried
2018-07-21 18:29:36	wz1000	other than that the fans should be the only moving parts
2018-07-21 18:29:49	wz1000	better the fans than the hard disk though
2018-07-21 18:32:07	lukelau	The fans aren’t even running from what I can tell, but the amazing thing is that it starts exactly as it enters the dispatch tests in hspec and stops as soon as it leaves
2018-07-21 18:39:55	lukelau	Ah its just very CPU intensive I see, it uses 3 full cores
2018-07-21 18:48:09	lukelau	alanz: Did HaRe move to gitlab? I’m seeing this error when cloning submodules in CircleCI
2018-07-21 18:48:13	lukelau	Cloning into '/root/build/submodules/HaRe'...
2018-07-21 18:48:14	lukelau	fatal: unable to update url base from redirection:
2018-07-21 18:48:15	lukelau	  asked for: https://gitlab.com/alanz/HaRe.git/info/refs?service=git-upload-pack
2018-07-21 18:48:15	lukelau	   redirect: https://about.gitlab.com/2018/07/19/gcp-move-update/
2018-07-21 18:48:44	alanz	lukelau, it is mirrored there, main dev is on github
2018-07-21 18:49:01	alanz	At some point I found the downloads from github achingly slow
2018-07-21 18:49:15	alanz	(another advantage of submodules, it caches the repo locally)
2018-07-21 18:50:14	alanz	btw, microsoft bought github, gitlab moves out of azure. Makes you think. And gitlab is owned by google
2018-07-21 18:50:24	lukelau	Hm looks liek they\re just starting some maintenance
2018-07-21 18:50:39	lukelau	GitLab is owned by google?
2018-07-21 18:50:41	lukelau	I had no idea
2018-07-21 18:50:44	lukelau	Makes sense now
2018-07-21 18:51:03	alanz	you should be able to edit the modules to point to github, should be fine
2018-07-21 18:51:03	lukelau	So now we basically have microsoft vs google as the largest repository hosters
2018-07-21 18:51:06	alanz	repos are idential
2018-07-21 18:51:15	alanz	yes. Makes me very nervous
2018-07-21 18:51:50	lukelau	All this conglomeration is driving me nuts
2018-07-21 18:52:03	alanz	agree
2018-07-21 18:53:03	lukelau	Seems unavoidable nowadays
2018-07-21 18:53:18	lukelau	Maybe its time to move to darcs? lol
2018-07-21 18:54:05	alanz	there are people looking at decentralised option. And a repo on github to hold the discussion. Which is weird, but needed
2018-07-21 18:57:09	alanz	git the repo is federated. It is all the meta stuff that is not
2018-07-21 19:02:21	lukelau	It would be interesting to see a VCS option that includes all the meta discussion/issue-tracking alongside the code in the same repository
2018-07-21 19:03:58	alanz	yes, and I think there are some discussions about doing exactly that.
2018-07-21 19:04:24	alanz	e.g. https://github.com/neithernut/git-dit
2018-07-21 19:04:30	--	Notice(GitHub99): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba created code-action-gifs (+1 new commit): https://git.io/fNWwU
2018-07-21 19:04:30	--	Notice(GitHub99): haskell-ide-engine/code-action-gifs fc44d5a Luke Lau: Add some gifs for the new code actions
2018-07-21 19:04:40	--	Notice(GitHub79): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #689: Add some gifs for the new code actions (master...code-action-gifs) https://git.io/fNWwk
2018-07-21 19:06:34	lukelau	Hopefully this gitlab outage doesnt last too long
2018-07-21 19:10:20	alanz	as I said, you can update the URL in .gitmodules to replace gitlab with github, and it should be fine
2018-07-21 19:13:39	alanz	lukelau, did you see my idea of opening a file if you go to definition on an import?
2018-07-21 19:14:42	lukelau	alanz: The outage should only last an hour, should be fine to just retry it in a bit if the download speeds are faster for you
2018-07-21 19:14:58	lukelau	alanz: Yes, I was thinking that would be a nice PR with a test case to have
2018-07-21 19:15:30	alanz	lukelau, the downloads are only a problem prior to the submodules. Now they are cached locally, so it does not matter
2018-07-21 19:15:47	lukelau	Oh ok, will swap them out then
2018-07-21 19:16:19	lukelau	I would like to get that completion-tests branch landed first before trying that issue since it changes the directory layout of the tests
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2018-07-21 19:20:43	alanz	When it shows up green I will merge
2018-07-21 19:20:59	alanz	You had that one question, I was not sure if you intended to change anything in response
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2018-07-21 19:47:09	lukelau	alanz: what question?
2018-07-21 19:47:28	lukelau	Oh sorry the async one
2018-07-21 19:47:32	alanz	yes
2018-07-21 19:47:38	lukelau	I thi
2018-07-21 19:48:15	lukelau	*I think the async solution that lspitzner works pretty well
2018-07-21 19:48:21	lukelau	*lspitzner posted
2018-07-21 19:49:03	lukelau	I added it but it seemed to break the dispatcher tests again
2018-07-21 19:49:33	lukelau	I should probably explain myself,
2018-07-21 19:50:24	lukelau	The functional tests were failing since after the dispatcher tests which ran in a different current directory, they weren’t reverting properly
2018-07-21 19:50:52	lukelau	It looked like it was an issue with the dispatcher’s child threads not being terminated properly, since the current directory is shared by all threads
2018-07-21 19:51:32	lukelau	For some reason using withAsync caused the current directory to get correctly unset whenever the dispatcher threads were killed but using race/concurrent did not
2018-07-21 19:52:00	lukelau	But the latter is probably much more robust for the actual dispatcher
2018-07-21 19:52:30	lukelau	So I just ended up moving the dispatch tests to another test-suite that had no other tests running after it, where it could freely change the current directory
2018-07-21 19:52:45	alanz	ok
2018-07-21 19:53:06	alanz	The current directory is an operating system level thing, so cannot be set per process
2018-07-21 19:55:47	lukelau	I’m not that familiar with System.Directory so I presumed the discrepancy was an implementation thing, probably not best to rely on it anyway since it was passing on some ghc versions and failing on others
2018-07-21 19:57:37	alanz	the key thing is that you can't go around changing direcory the whole time
2018-07-21 19:57:54	alanz	and the assumption in hie is that the directory is set when it starts up.
2018-07-21 19:59:21	alanz	and we mimic that in the test with the cdAndDo thing, where we change to a dir, run a test, and then return
2018-07-21 19:59:42	alanz	and obviously the tests must run in one process, in that case
2018-07-21 20:04:31	lukelau	Yeah, it made more sense (to me) to move that dispatcher test out into the other dispatcher test since it ran in one process, unlike the haskell-lsp-test ones which stayed in the same directory but launched hie as separate processes
2018-07-21 20:05:15	lukelau	I think it uses the rootUri/rootPath lsp field in the initialize request to specify the directory
2018-07-21 20:09:13	alanz	we actually need to check that using that works properly
2018-07-21 20:09:29	alanz	I would expect that at startup the hie server would change to that dir
2018-07-21 20:11:09	lukelau	I think it does
2018-07-21 20:11:49	lukelau	By the way do you have any idea why the unit tests take quite a while to run on circle CI?
2018-07-21 20:12:15	lukelau	They don’t seem to take as long locally
2018-07-21 20:16:42	alanz	I think the machine may be underpowered
2018-07-21 20:40:53	lukelau	It takes 43 seconds on my machine but 13 minutes on circleCI’s
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2018-07-21 21:36:58	--	Notice(GitHub185): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fNWPa
2018-07-21 21:36:58	--	Notice(GitHub185): haskell-ide-engine/master 6a59d6a Luke Lau: Change HaRe submodule remote to github...
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2018-07-21 21:39:39	--	Notice(GitHub180): haskell-ide-engine/master 2422310 Luke Lau: Reorganize tests
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2018-07-21 21:39:39	--	Notice(GitHub180): haskell-ide-engine/master 958d8e5 Luke Lau: Update haskell-lsp and haskell-lsp-test
2018-07-21 21:39:40	--	Notice(GitHub138): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #687: Completion, rename and references functional tests (master...completion-tests) https://git.io/fN35F
2018-07-21 21:41:58	--	Notice(GitHub19): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fNWP1
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2018-07-21 21:42:00	--	Notice(GitHub148): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #689: Add some gifs for the new code actions (master...code-action-gifs) https://git.io/fNWwk
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2018-07-21 22:19:10	alanz	lukelau, I am getting a weird error if I call make on master
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2018-07-21 22:19:19	lukelau	alanz: ?
2018-07-21 22:19:38	alanz	It ends up complaining about something missing in the ~/.stack/setup-cache or something
2018-07-21 22:19:48	lukelau	Running make now
2018-07-21 22:19:59	lukelau	Are the submodules up to date?
2018-07-21 22:20:33	alanz	I presume it is some local state that is screwed up, I remember it happened before. And I *think* I tracked it down to those .ghc.environment abominations, but I have deleted all the ones I could see
2018-07-21 22:20:39	alanz	and it is still a problem
2018-07-21 22:20:47	lukelau	I had to bump the cache number on circleCI sometimes whenever I updated the submodules
2018-07-21 22:21:00	alanz	I am talking about a local build though
2018-07-21 22:21:02	lukelau	It’s happened to me before as well locally, I had to delete my ~/.stack
2018-07-21 22:21:28	lukelau	Are you seeing something involving a haskell-lsp 0.3.0.0? Like https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/686
2018-07-21 22:21:41	alanz	It ends up with
2018-07-21 22:21:42	alanz	make: *** [Makefile:25: hie-8.2.2] Error 1
2018-07-21 22:22:15	alanz	this:  /home/alanz/.stack/setup-exe-cache/x86_64-linux-tinfo6/Cabal-simple_mPHDZzAJ_2.0.1.0_ghc-8.2.2: startProcess: invalid argument (Bad file descriptor)
2018-07-21 22:22:35	lukelau	That is weird
2018-07-21 22:22:56	lukelau	Does stack clean help?
2018-07-21 22:23:00	alanz	and the log ends with
2018-07-21 22:23:01	alanz	Installing internal library hie-test-utils in /home/alanz/mysrc/github/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/.stack-work/install/x86_64-linux-tinfo6/lts-11.17/8.2.2/lib/x86_64-linux-ghc-8.2.2/haskell-ide-engine-0.2.1.0-BM4XdfX7W26Ek79LN2FFNI-hie-test-utils
2018-07-21 22:23:01	alanz	Cabal-simple_mPHDZzAJ_2.0.1.0_ghc-8.2.2: Error: Could not find module:
2018-07-21 22:23:02	alanz	TestUtils with any suffix: ["hi"] in the search path:
2018-07-21 22:23:02	alanz	[".stack-work/dist/x86_64-linux-tinfo6/Cabal-2.0.1.0/build/hie-test-utils"]
2018-07-21 22:23:27	lukelau	hie-test-utils is a new library in the cabal file
2018-07-21 22:23:44	alanz	so maybe your cabal file is not set up right?
2018-07-21 22:23:52	lukelau	Possibly
2018-07-21 22:24:06	alanz	except it passes CI.
2018-07-21 22:24:06	lukelau	Yup I’m getting it too now
2018-07-21 22:24:14	lukelau	That’s quite worrying
2018-07-21 22:24:18	alanz	ok, so I'm not crazy
2018-07-21 22:24:50	alanz	it builds fine with cabal new-build, once you add the haskell-lsp-test submodule to cabal.project
2018-07-21 22:26:01	Gurkenglas	<alanz> Problem is my time is constrained tonight (7pm here), so I am only likely to get to it tomorrow <- status?
2018-07-21 22:26:13	lukelau	Is it to do with maybe having a multiple libraries in the cabal file? I hear its a cabal 2.0 thing
2018-07-21 22:26:20	Gurkenglas	(my status: https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/3be027906f4d4897a36f42bb99de596d )
2018-07-21 22:27:52	alanz	Gurkenglas, I started working on an example for you, got sidetracked, the real world intervened, and have not managed to finish it 
2018-07-21 22:27:55	alanz	yes
2018-07-21 22:27:58	alanz	yet
2018-07-21 22:28:35	alanz	Gurkenglas, something to bear in mind, if the file is currently broken, there won't be a typechecked source
2018-07-21 22:29:10	alanz	What *would* be interesting, is to work with the last successful AST, and the diff from it to current
2018-07-21 22:29:20	Gurkenglas	alanz, do I get an AST if there are no parse errors?
2018-07-21 22:29:34	Gurkenglas	If necessary you could just compile with deferred type errors right?
2018-07-21 22:29:35	alanz	you get a ParsedSource then
2018-07-21 22:29:39	alanz	perhaps
2018-07-21 22:30:08	alanz	And I think hie is all-or-nothing at the moment, if it does not typecheck, you do not see the module
2018-07-21 22:30:17	alanz	its something that needs to be relexed
2018-07-21 22:30:19	alanz	relaxed
2018-07-21 22:31:03	alanz	Gurkenglas, what is the variable "pretext"?
2018-07-21 22:31:38	alanz	Because the word pretext in english means a fake reason for doing something
2018-07-21 22:31:38	Gurkenglas	alanz, http://hackage.haskell.org/package/lens-4.17/docs/Control-Lens-Internal-Context.html#t:Pretext
2018-07-21 22:32:10	alanz	ok
2018-07-21 22:32:18	Gurkenglas	alanz, in this case it's morally equivalent to a "data Context a b t = Context (b -> t) a" value
2018-07-21 22:32:24	 *	alanz eyes glaze over, deep lens magic
2018-07-21 22:32:32	Gurkenglas	That is, ((Snippet -> File), Snipet)
2018-07-21 22:32:48	alanz	ok, but you are using the appropriate word
2018-07-21 22:33:46	alanz	and this will plug in type holes until it passes, then refine out from those?
2018-07-21 22:37:43	Gurkenglas	alanz, given a snippet in a file, it would check whether it compiles if we replace the whole file by _
2018-07-21 22:37:50	Gurkenglas	the whole snippet ._.
2018-07-21 22:38:06	Gurkenglas	If it does, that means we can fix the file by changing this snippet.
2018-07-21 22:38:29	Gurkenglas	One of the approaches is to recurse into subsnippets and try changing only those
2018-07-21 22:38:47	Gurkenglas	Another is to apply strategies like turning a snippet "asd" into "_ . asd" and seeing if that compiles
2018-07-21 22:38:57	alanz	ok. So you have a snippet which can potentially replace a region of a file. So you blank out the region with a hole, and if it compiles, plug in the snippet?
2018-07-21 22:39:07	Gurkenglas	no no no
2018-07-21 22:39:27	Gurkenglas	Imagine the file is "asd dsa asd"
2018-07-21 22:39:31	alanz	ok
2018-07-21 22:40:01	Gurkenglas	Then one pretext we could use give repair is (\x -> "asd dsa " ++ x, "asd")
2018-07-21 22:40:10	Gurkenglas	Then I check whether "asd dsa _" compiles
2018-07-21 22:40:22	Gurkenglas	If it does, it is worth trying to put other things in place of _.
2018-07-21 22:41:19	alanz	which is a placeholder for "asd"?
2018-07-21 22:41:31	alanz	the second asd, in the original file
2018-07-21 22:41:56	--	Notice(GitHub128): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #692: Add haskell-lsp-test to cabal.project (master...cabal-new-build-haskell-lsp-test) https://git.io/fNW1d
2018-07-21 22:41:57	Gurkenglas	It is a typed hole, which I ask the compiler to infer
2018-07-21 22:42:23	alanz	i.e., if you have file "abc abd abe", you woud end up testing "abc abd _" for compilation?
2018-07-21 22:42:25	Gurkenglas	If the compiler can infer a type for _, that means I can write something in place of _ that makes the file compile.
2018-07-21 22:42:33	Gurkenglas	Yes
2018-07-21 22:42:47	Gurkenglas	Afterwards, I describe how I look for things to replace the _ with
2018-07-21 22:42:58	Gurkenglas	For example, I could try again with any of the pretexts (\x -> "asd dsa " ++ x ++ "sd", "a"), (\x -> "asd dsa a" ++ x ++ "d", "s") and (\x -> "asd dsa as" ++ x, "d")
2018-07-21 22:43:48	Gurkenglas	Or the other way in there is to suggest the files "asd dsa (_ . asd)" and "asd dsa (asd . _)"
2018-07-21 22:44:00	alanz	ok, so the first step is to identify a region of the (broken) code, that if you replaced it, the file would compile
2018-07-21 22:44:18	alanz	and incidentally the type of the thing is given too, by the typed hole magic
2018-07-21 22:44:37	Gurkenglas	I'm not yet looking at the type of the thing that would infer
2018-07-21 22:44:44	alanz	You are mechanising the strategy put forward in that recent blog post
2018-07-21 22:45:07	Gurkenglas	dunno
2018-07-21 22:45:08	alanz	ok, but you are identifying a plausible region to make the change
2018-07-21 22:45:22	Gurkenglas	Yes. The first line identifies whether I am looking at such a region.
2018-07-21 22:45:58	alanz	ok, and once you have one of those, you know you can do things in there to keep it compiling. So you have reduced the size of the problem.
2018-07-21 22:46:00	Gurkenglas	Together with line 8, this finds all such subregions of the region I'm looking at.
2018-07-21 22:47:11	alanz	line 6 being the first line, and the key being the call to "typechecks"?
2018-07-21 22:47:27	Gurkenglas	yes
2018-07-21 22:47:41	alanz	looks interesting
2018-07-21 22:47:54	Gurkenglas	Huh, there's a small bug that I thought I already fixed. peek needs pretext.
2018-07-21 22:48:53	Gurkenglas	"peek [| _ |] pretext" replaces the Snippet value of the pretext with [| _ |], which is TH-speak for the Haskell code "_"
2018-07-21 22:49:02	Gurkenglas	(and returns the resulting File)
2018-07-21 22:49:08	alanz	ok
2018-07-21 22:49:17	Gurkenglas	20/21 define typechecks
2018-07-21 22:49:39	Gurkenglas	guard tells the MonadSearch to abandon this branch of the search if the Bool is false
2018-07-21 22:50:07	Gurkenglas	asum tells the MonadSearch to branch across the list
2018-07-21 22:50:39	Gurkenglas	<$>, <|> and <$> are using the instances for [] here
2018-07-21 22:51:09	alanz	ok
2018-07-21 22:53:42	lukelau	alanz: If you run stack test --stack-yaml-stack-8.2.2.yaml, are you able to build it with stack build after?
2018-07-21 22:54:29	lukelau	I think stack is trying to register the hie-test-utils library when it hasn’t (nor shouldn’t have) been built
2018-07-21 22:54:38	Gurkenglas	holes are each pretext from the snippet into subsnippets, I hope. For example, "foldl' (+) 0" should become [(\x -> x ++ " 0", "foldl' (+)"), (\x -> "foldl' (+) " ++ x, "0")]
2018-07-21 22:54:46	alanz	lukelau, let me try
2018-07-21 22:55:50	Gurkenglas	Wait, another small thing I thought I already fixed. Such are the woes of making two gists when you fear going overboard on the magic and so put it in another file
2018-07-21 22:55:59	Gurkenglas	(This is not the "more magic" file :P )
2018-07-21 22:59:18	alanz	lukelau, yes
2018-07-21 23:00:06	lukelau	alanz: Should we just remove the internal library hie-test-utils and have the other test-suites compile it?
2018-07-21 23:00:25	alanz	I think that will be the simplest for now
2018-07-21 23:00:47	alanz	we can add it again when the oldest compiler/haddock is ok with it
2018-07-21 23:00:54	lukelau	alanz: 👍
2018-07-21 23:01:24	lukelau	Its a shame, internal libraries are pretty handy
2018-07-21 23:02:38	Gurkenglas	Nevermind. experiment looks like "Functor f => (a -> f b) -> (b -> t, a) -> f t", ie does what a lens can if you already know s.
2018-07-21 23:03:00	alanz	ok
2018-07-21 23:03:12	Gurkenglas	alaf NewtypeWrapper bestows the powers of NewtypeWrapper upon what you're doing.
2018-07-21 23:03:20	alanz	I still have *so* much to learn
2018-07-21 23:03:23	Gurkenglas	The instances, that is :D
2018-07-21 23:03:27	alanz	yes
2018-07-21 23:03:34	Gurkenglas	No lambdabot here? :(
2018-07-21 23:04:14	Gurkenglas	<Gurkenglas> > ala ZipList traverse ["asd","123"]
2018-07-21 23:04:14	Gurkenglas	<lambdabot>  ["a1","s2","d3"]
2018-07-21 23:05:06	Gurkenglas	(ala doesn't give you the extra parameter which I in this case use for holes)
2018-07-21 23:07:07	Gurkenglas	(the actual type of pretext is "Pretext' (->) Snippet File", and "Pretext' (->) Snippet" has a functor instance)
2018-07-21 23:07:36	alanz	Gurkenglas, I looked at https://stackoverflow.com/a/22080916
2018-07-21 23:07:38	Gurkenglas	holes is "Snippet -> [Pretext' Snippet Snippet]"
2018-07-21 23:08:03	lukelau	alanz: For CI should we change the compile part from `stack test —no-run-tests` to just `stack build`
2018-07-21 23:08:10	lukelau	I think thats what caused CI to pass
2018-07-21 23:08:19	alanz	lukelau, sounds like a good idea
2018-07-21 23:08:29	alanz	and we should perhaps test that make succeeds?
2018-07-21 23:08:59	lukelau	Make another job that runs make-all?
2018-07-21 23:09:01	alanz	maybe by calling make on the specific build target. make hie-8.4.3 etc
2018-07-21 23:09:17	Gurkenglas	experiment can turn "Snippet -> f Snippet" into "f File", but we have "Snippet -> f (g Snippet)", so we invoke alaf Compose to borrow its powers. Now we have [Pretext' Snippet File] to recurse into.
2018-07-21 23:09:18	alanz	or another job
2018-07-21 23:09:21	lukelau	make hie-8.4.3 just runs stack install though right
2018-07-21 23:10:00	alanz	yes, but it does other stuff too. So by invoking it, we make sure that it has not broken in the meantime
2018-07-21 23:10:23	lukelau	True
2018-07-21 23:10:36	alanz	a job that calls make, then confirms that ls ~/.local/bin has all the exes we expect
2018-07-21 23:10:41	lukelau	Should we run make before building?
2018-07-21 23:10:52	lukelau	Or just call make instead of building
2018-07-21 23:10:57	alanz	perhaps remove hie-* from ~/.local/bin first
2018-07-21 23:11:13	Gurkenglas	Next step's probably to sort the solutions found by the length of the type of the _ used in (_ .)/(. _)
2018-07-21 23:11:25	Gurkenglas	(Which is just a monadic action of MonadSearch)
2018-07-21 23:11:27	alanz	having it as a separate job might be the cleanest
2018-07-21 23:11:46	lukelau	Ok, sounds better
2018-07-21 23:11:49	Gurkenglas	But that sounds like I ought to know the interface I'm getting
2018-07-21 23:11:55	lukelau	Will need to cache this very generously
2018-07-21 23:12:00	alanz	Gurkenglas, you know that GHC 8.4.3 has hole-filling suggestions? as snippets?
2018-07-21 23:12:06	lukelau	Without .local/bin of course
2018-07-21 23:12:21	lukelau	Otherwise the builds will take forever and a day
2018-07-21 23:12:21	alanz	lukelau, agree
2018-07-21 23:12:28	Gurkenglas	alanz, what do you mean by "as snippets"?
2018-07-21 23:12:41	Gurkenglas	Do you mean that if I use _ in my code, it will suggest code to replace that with?
2018-07-21 23:12:46	alanz	yes
2018-07-21 23:12:58	alanz	there is a paper on it, think it is coming to ICFP this year
2018-07-21 23:13:00	Gurkenglas	Cool. Are they using something like exference for that?
2018-07-21 23:13:11	alanz	nope, built into GHC typechecker
2018-07-21 23:13:22	Gurkenglas	How do they calculate the replacements?
2018-07-21 23:13:28	alanz	https://mpg.is/papers/gissurarson2018suggesting.pdf
2018-07-21 23:13:33	alanz	read that
2018-07-21 23:14:18	alanz	This is what confused me, I thought you knew about that, and were planning to mechanise it into hie
2018-07-21 23:14:34	alanz	by choosing which piece of code to replace, as you have been explaining
2018-07-21 23:14:38	Gurkenglas	Ah, they do a single exference step with no costing
2018-07-21 23:14:53	alanz	but the actual replacement step can be pulled in from there.
2018-07-21 23:15:24	alanz	I would see it as an iterative process, and possible expose the possible replacements via code actions to the user
2018-07-21 23:15:30	lukelau	alanz: https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/pull/4033
2018-07-21 23:15:38	alanz	ie. as quickfixes
2018-07-21 23:15:39	Gurkenglas	alanz, sounds like autocomplete
2018-07-21 23:16:13	alanz	well, it is more than autocomplete. You add a hole, and get possible code snippets for it
2018-07-21 23:16:24	Gurkenglas	What it looks like my plugin is for is taking code that doesnt compile and tweak it a bit so you can get started on that iterative process
2018-07-21 23:16:25	alanz	lukelau, :)
2018-07-21 23:16:36	alanz	Gurkenglas, yes, which is great
2018-07-21 23:16:56	alanz	Gurkenglas, btw, the code in hie is versioned
2018-07-21 23:17:24	Gurkenglas	alanz, rephrase the last line pls
2018-07-21 23:17:31	alanz	so you can potentially ask for the last typechecked AST (successful), and the changes to the file since
2018-07-21 23:18:10	alanz	every time the file changes, the hie client sends the changes through, against a document version number, which increases
2018-07-21 23:18:59	alanz	we apply these changes, and try to compile it. If the compile fails, we keep the old AST, and maintain a map file for locations in the current to the last good one
2018-07-21 23:19:11	alanz	but we could also keep the actual diffs
2018-07-21 23:19:31	alanz	So your tool would be able to examine what had changed, when deciding on what snippets/holes to try
2018-07-21 23:21:52	Gurkenglas	One disadvantage of leaving the work of implementing the _ to the user/other blackbox plugins is that I could be trying to do that change which has most potential for implementation
2018-07-21 23:22:38	alanz	The main thing is that you know it is there. Nothing says you have to use it.
2018-07-21 23:22:38	Gurkenglas	Like, if the type of a _ I return turns out to be "forall b. String -> b", djinn coulda told me that's not happening.
2018-07-21 23:24:14	Gurkenglas	(Of course in the end I should be letting the user choose which change to make. I could still make the top of the list he sees the good ones.)
2018-07-21 23:24:22	alanz	lukelau, have we turned off "-Wall" in the latest hie?
2018-07-21 23:24:42	alanz	I used to get warnings about top level functions without signatures, but not anymore
2018-07-21 23:24:48	lukelau	I don’t think so?
2018-07-21 23:25:05	lukelau	Just checked its still there in the .cabal file
2018-07-21 23:25:29	alanz	lukelau, I am talking about when running hie against some random test project
2018-07-21 23:25:29	lukelau	Wait do you mean as in hie checking code
2018-07-21 23:25:32	lukelau	Sorry
2018-07-21 23:25:48	lukelau	I don’t think that was turned off
2018-07-21 23:25:56	lukelau	The ghc code actions shouldn’t have changed
2018-07-21 23:26:29	alanz	Gurkenglas, the main thing for me is that hie/LSP provides the mechanism to present those choices to the user, and to act on the choice they  make. Across multiple IDEs
2018-07-21 23:26:47	lukelau	alanz: I’m still getting warnings for top-level bindings
2018-07-21 23:27:12	lukelau	Is there a sneaky .ghc-environment lying about?
2018-07-21 23:27:20	Gurkenglas	Sounds good. alanz, should I wait for an example or throw my brain at yesterday's links?
2018-07-21 23:28:10	alanz	Gurkenglas, take a look at the codeactions stuff in hie master. I will really try to get my simple example done soon. Perhaps I should push my work in progress
2018-07-21 23:28:54	alanz	I wanted to merge the recent PRS in master, and rebase, and then finish it. But that was a few hours ago, and the merge has shown up some issues (as discussed here with lukelau )
2018-07-21 23:29:24	lukelau	alanz: Fix is almost done, just testing now
2018-07-21 23:29:44	alanz	ok, thanks
2018-07-21 23:33:57	alanz	Gurkenglas, this is what I have been working on: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/example-plugin
2018-07-21 23:34:17	alanz	but the quick fix does not show up in my client, but then at the moment none do
2018-07-21 23:34:27	alanz	So I am not sure where the issue lies
2018-07-21 23:34:46	alanz	It is a simple example to add a pragma to the top of a file
2018-07-21 23:35:15	Gurkenglas	alanz, https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/example-plugin just gets me to https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/
2018-07-21 23:35:56	alanz	yes, on the branch example-plugin
2018-07-21 23:36:11	alanz	With one commit, https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/commit/cbeb5d1136050773daf3fcee9378df7a650aedc3
2018-07-21 23:36:17	--	Notice(GitHub188): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #694: Add workaround for stack internal library bug (master...stack-internal-library-fix) https://git.io/fNWye
2018-07-21 23:36:26	Gurkenglas	ah
2018-07-21 23:36:31	alanz	Which is a bit messy, I cleaned up whitespace and random things like that as I went along
2018-07-21 23:38:32	--	Notice(GitHub19): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #695: Update cabal.project submodules for current master (master...master) https://git.io/fNWyk
2018-07-21 23:39:16	Gurkenglas	alanz, exactly https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/commit/cbeb5d1136050773daf3fcee9378df7a650aedc3#diff-53a2d768c2abbb65d40a19b144700f0f is relevant, right?
2018-07-21 23:40:55	alanz	yes, and the change in LSP/CodeActions, where the ability to make the change is presented to the user as a codeaction
2018-07-21 23:41:41	alanz	And that one looks worse than it should, because I re-indented some of it
2018-07-21 23:41:50	alanz	which is a bad thing to do for an example :(
2018-07-21 23:42:53	alanz	Gurkenglas, this https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/blob/example-plugin/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/LSP/CodeActions.hs#L55
2018-07-21 23:42:58	Gurkenglas	So the dream here is that plugins can bet their karma on that the user would like it if the editor suggested them *this* right now
2018-07-21 23:43:05	--	Notice(GitHub59): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba closed pull request #692: Add haskell-lsp-test to cabal.project (master...cabal-new-build-haskell-lsp-test) https://git.io/fNW1d
2018-07-21 23:43:13	Gurkenglas	Regardless of whether the user had previously heard of the plugin
2018-07-21 23:43:18	alanz	yes
2018-07-21 23:43:48	alanz	and it is based on the position of the cursor at the time, and on diagnostics sent before
2018-07-21 23:43:52	Gurkenglas	Just "Oh, oh, I know, he wants *this* change." and you notice that the user kept it and you give the plugin more capacity to speak up.
2018-07-21 23:44:17	alanz	So in broad terms, when a file is saved, it can be analysed and diagnostics generated, which are displayed to the user
2018-07-21 23:44:30	alanz	at the moment we have hlint and ghc generating these
2018-07-21 23:44:59	alanz	when the user is in the area covered by a diagnostic, the client asks for code actions related to it
2018-07-21 23:45:19	alanz	and you can then punt your fancy options, which the user may or may not choose
2018-07-21 23:45:41	Gurkenglas	Am I in fact incentivized to not punt if I expect that he won't like it?
2018-07-21 23:45:48	alanz	yes
2018-07-21 23:46:06	alanz	the idea is to be useful, and make suggestions available in context
2018-07-21 23:46:37	alanz	there is also the concept of a code lens, which is something that can show some kind of related detail for a given piece of code
2018-07-21 23:46:48	alanz	which is defined very broadly. 
2018-07-21 23:46:51	Gurkenglas	noooo dont overload that term oh man
2018-07-21 23:47:10	alanz	I think they have an e, so code lense
2018-07-21 23:47:20	Gurkenglas	okay then
2018-07-21 23:47:40	Gurkenglas	lens is one of those things like category theory, you can throw random jargon together and it's liable to mean *something*
2018-07-21 23:47:48	alanz	From the spec:" A code lens represents a command that should be shown along with
2018-07-21 23:47:49	alanz	 * source text, like the number of references, a way to run tests, etc."
2018-07-21 23:48:02	alanz	and no "e"
2018-07-21 23:48:05	Gurkenglas	So any other use of the same jargon could be easily confused for you trying to do advanced lens magic
2018-07-21 23:48:54	alanz	but in fairness, lens was a thing by itself for a long time before it picked up the black magic meaning in haskell
2018-07-21 23:49:06	alanz	leeuwenhoek and friends
2018-07-21 23:49:32	Gurkenglas	okay :(
2018-07-21 23:49:55	alanz	and non-haskellers are not scarred by it either
2018-07-21 23:50:44	alanz	I keep telling myself that one day I will dive in deep to lenses to understand them.
2018-07-21 23:55:15	Gurkenglas	I seem to already have a fork. How do I make it like I just made it? https://github.com/Gurkenglas/haskell-ide-engine
2018-07-21 23:56:06	Gurkenglas	I would just use the interface that doesnt hate me https://i.gyazo.com/b35869b8aa3a0e0858a28721712b4a0b.png but then I don't have syntax highlighting or compiles checking
2018-07-21 23:56:31	Gurkenglas	...I suppose I can just make the file with that interface, then do changes locally
2018-07-21 23:59:51	Gurkenglas	"Downloading nightly-2016-03-13 build plan" uhhhhh
2018-07-22 00:02:11	Gurkenglas	https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/442a577d181d4af827c7e087ad108771 wat do?
2018-07-22 00:03:29	Gurkenglas	hmm I suppose I should run https://github.com/Gurkenglas/haskell-ide-engine/tree/patch-1#development in the shell emacs gives me
2018-07-22 00:04:47	Gurkenglas	https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/442a577d181d4af827c7e087ad108771#file-gistfile2-txt ughhhh I hate terminals why cant I have a sidekick for this stuff that doesnt need math or haskell
2018-07-22 00:07:21	Gurkenglas	https://cask.readthedocs.io/en/latest/guide/installation.html <- "Cask requires GNU Emacs 24 and Python 2.6 or later on a Unix system." means I can't do it on Windows?
2018-07-22 00:07:47	Gurkenglas	Oh wait, there's a yellow Windows warning below that.
2018-07-22 00:10:15	Gurkenglas	https://curl.haxx.se/dlwiz/?type=bin&os=Win64 I don't know ;_; I guess I could ssh onto the university servers, they run linux
2018-07-22 00:13:27	Gurkenglas	More errors. This time with filepath-based identifying information to prevent pasting :D
2018-07-22 00:14:11	Gurkenglas	Trying to make sure my code compiles was a mistake. Let's go back to the website interface.
2018-07-22 00:17:27	alanz	Gurkenglas, the normal mechanism is to "git clone" a repo locally, work on it, make changes, and then push/PR. What are you doing?
2018-07-22 00:19:11	Gurkenglas	alanz, I git cloned the fork github made when I made a dummy file for the plugin, then I git cloned that fork locally, then I tried stack build to see whether intero will work, and the errors started. (Oh I suppose the old resolver was because I haven't checked out to the new branch github made because I already had a fork)
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2018-07-22 00:20:15	Gurkenglas	alanz, then I looked at hie's readme to see whether I should be doing something nonstandard, saw it says I need cask, and tripped where the emacs shell doesnt know what curl means
2018-07-22 00:21:55	alanz	Gurkenglas, hie should not need cask anymore, there is no elisp
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2018-07-22 00:32:39	lukelau	Would there be any objections if I created a homebrew formula that installed via cabal new-build, only for the currently installed version of ghc?
2018-07-22 00:33:25	alanz	not being a mac user, I would have zero objections :)
2018-07-22 00:34:14	lukelau	Haha, just wanted to revisit that github issue since it was getting a bit stale. I’ll need to leave a caveat in the installation about the full stack installation and ghc versions etc.
2018-07-22 00:37:00	lukelau	By the way, is there a reason why we restore the cache after saving it in circle CI?
2018-07-22 00:38:16	Gurkenglas	alanz, https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/442a577d181d4af827c7e087ad108771 after the git checkout (this is the second run which fails immediately, while the first run first got ghc-8.4.3)
2018-07-22 00:38:52	Gurkenglas	This reminds me of an ancient case where I needed to tell git clone to also get sub-repositories?
2018-07-22 00:39:07	alanz	Gurkenglas, do you have an up to date stack? needs to be the latest one
2018-07-22 00:39:21	alanz	and you need to do "git submodule update --init"
2018-07-22 00:39:21	Gurkenglas	alanz, can you make stack build say that?
2018-07-22 00:39:45	Gurkenglas	stack upgrade says I'm already 1.7.1
2018-07-22 00:39:54	alanz	lukelau, do we? during the build? I know we save it at various points in case we bomb out
2018-07-22 00:40:21	lukelau	Yeah there’s a restore immediately after a save for the same cache key
2018-07-22 00:41:30	Gurkenglas	Ah, I should have been following https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine#installation
2018-07-22 00:42:15	Gurkenglas	(lotsa perl warnings)
2018-07-22 00:42:16	alanz	lukelau, we are saving against one key, then restoring against another. 
2018-07-22 00:42:38	alanz	the string at the end is different
2018-07-22 00:43:08	lukelau	My bad I missed that
2018-07-22 00:55:15	domenkozar	alanz: does HIE require access to ghc lib folder at runtime?
2018-07-22 00:55:59	domenkozar	I'm thinking if we could statically compile hie
2018-07-22 00:56:10	domenkozar	so put cabal-helper and hie to $PATH, done
2018-07-22 00:56:25	alanz	domenkozar, tbh I don't know
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2018-07-22 00:57:03	alanz	I know when you run ghc in the tests you have to give it a lib dir
2018-07-22 00:57:18	domenkozar	so it's probably due to some dependencies?
2018-07-22 00:57:58	alanz	Well, we use the GHC API to compile stuff (your project being edited) so it makes sense it would need access to the libraries
2018-07-22 00:58:09	alanz	*how* it gets access I am not sure
2018-07-22 00:58:37	alanz	i.e. how is it different from just invoking ghc (or ghci) on a file
2018-07-22 00:58:51	domenkozar	ok will add some info at https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix/issues/19
2018-07-22 00:59:11	alanz	best would be to experiment, I think
2018-07-22 00:59:23	domenkozar	right now one needs to download 1.4GB of closure
2018-07-22 00:59:26	domenkozar	while it could be 20M
2018-07-22 00:59:29	domenkozar	:D
2018-07-22 00:59:38	alanz	big difference
2018-07-22 00:59:45	alanz	btw, current hie is 0.2.1.0
2018-07-22 00:59:50	alanz	I see that is 0.2.0.0
2018-07-22 01:00:38	domenkozar	alanz: yeah it's a bit old
2018-07-22 01:00:46	domenkozar	lots of improvements?
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2018-07-22 01:01:19	alanz	of course. Don't ask me what all. We started adding a Changelog
2018-07-22 01:01:40	alanz	And actually updating the version number
2018-07-22 01:01:55	domenkozar	ah I think the commit is a few weeks old only
2018-07-22 01:02:32	alanz	yes, but lukelau is GSOCing stuff, so things are moving faster than usual
2018-07-22 01:03:02	domenkozar	nice
2018-07-22 01:03:07	domenkozar	lukelau: good work :)
2018-07-22 01:03:19	lukelau	My pleasure
2018-07-22 01:07:07	--	Notice(GitHub89): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fNWHi
2018-07-22 01:07:07	--	Notice(GitHub89): haskell-ide-engine/master dff979d Luke Lau: Add workaround for stack internal library bug
2018-07-22 01:07:07	--	Notice(GitHub89): haskell-ide-engine/master 0758e1f Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #694 from Bubba/stack-internal-library-fix...
2018-07-22 01:07:08	--	Notice(GitHub28): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #694: Add workaround for stack internal library bug (master...stack-internal-library-fix) https://git.io/fNWye
2018-07-22 01:07:30	--	Notice(GitHub143): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #695: Update cabal.project submodules for current master (master...master) https://git.io/fNWyk
2018-07-22 01:07:32	--	Notice(GitHub7): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fNWHP
2018-07-22 01:07:32	--	Notice(GitHub7): haskell-ide-engine/master e3cc575 Alan Zimmerman: Update cabal.project submodules for current master
2018-07-22 01:07:32	--	Notice(GitHub7): haskell-ide-engine/master a957ba1 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #695 from alanz/master...
2018-07-22 01:07:51	lukelau	That build took 1 hour 30 mins
2018-07-22 01:08:45	domenkozar	maybe worth investigating using Nix+cachix :)
2018-07-22 01:08:50	lukelau	I’m trying out adding a cabal job, and also timing the individual unit tests
2018-07-22 01:08:55	lukelau	domenkozar: that too!
2018-07-22 01:09:43	alanz	domenkozar, a PR for that would be gratefully accepted
2018-07-22 01:10:05	domenkozar	then I kind of don't have to maintain that
2018-07-22 01:10:07	domenkozar	:-)
2018-07-22 01:10:14	domenkozar	and you get faster CI builds
2018-07-22 01:10:29	alanz	yes
2018-07-22 01:10:59	domenkozar	need to release stack2nix first
2018-07-22 01:11:03	domenkozar	I'll try to do it today
2018-07-22 01:11:12	alanz	sounds good
2018-07-22 01:12:46	alanz	having binaries available for instant download via cachix would be great. 
2018-07-22 01:12:53	alanz	But only for nix, I presume
2018-07-22 01:13:19	lukelau	That would amazing for installation
2018-07-22 01:13:46	lukelau	Building it with a fresh ~/.stack takes in the order of hours
2018-07-22 01:15:17	alanz	yes
2018-07-22 01:19:40	--	Notice(GitHub38): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #696: Bump to 0.2.2.0 (master...0.2.2.0-bump) https://git.io/fNWQO
2018-07-22 01:25:20	domenkozar	well we could support nix-less static libs
2018-07-22 01:25:31	domenkozar	either with having GHC checkout or ideally without
2018-07-22 01:26:01	alanz	Sounds like an interesting option to explore.
2018-07-22 01:26:18	domenkozar	so installation would be like
2018-07-22 01:26:25	domenkozar	curl ... -o hie-8.4
2018-07-22 01:26:31	domenkozar	git clone ... ghc-8.4
2018-07-22 01:26:45	alanz	I would love to see binary caches as a part of the haskell ecosystem
2018-07-22 01:26:48	alanz	securely
2018-07-22 01:26:50	domenkozar	not ideal, but less work than 1h compile time
2018-07-22 01:26:56	alanz	yes
2018-07-22 01:28:28	alanz	security is a big deal, in the modern world. And especially for stuff that is going to run
2018-07-22 01:28:49	domenkozar	needs dedicated hosts
2018-07-22 01:28:55	domenkozar	working on that as well :)
2018-07-22 01:29:31	alanz	yes, and you end up on the combinatorial explosion of operating systems, versions, etc
2018-07-22 01:30:23	alanz	dedicated hosts per operating system, or all running nixos?
2018-07-22 01:30:29	domenkozar	per OS
2018-07-22 01:30:35	alanz	nice
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2018-07-22 01:32:47	domenkozar	see https://github.com/cachix/cachix/issues/101
2018-07-22 01:33:55	alanz	interesting
2018-07-22 01:34:51	alanz	another instance of distributed trust. I am starting to see that everywhere
2018-07-22 01:38:52	Tehnix	Static haskell binaries would be very desirable, and would help a lot for new users I think
2018-07-22 01:39:26	domenkozar	we could ship a zip
2018-07-22 01:39:28	Tehnix	Then we could also do a lot more things to give better UX for the mismatching GHC version problems
2018-07-22 01:39:29	domenkozar	with hie
2018-07-22 01:39:31	domenkozar	cabal-helper
2018-07-22 01:39:34	domenkozar	and ghc source
2018-07-22 01:39:56	domenkozar	if we can tell hie at runtime where the latter two are, this is easy to setup
2018-07-22 01:40:08	domenkozar	at least for linux
2018-07-22 01:41:05	Tehnix	does it need different versions of them?
2018-07-22 01:41:24	domenkozar	well we need to compile hie for different ghc anyway
2018-07-22 01:43:11	Tehnix	Oh, are you talking about when compiling them?
2018-07-22 01:43:18	Tehnix	Or the final output?
2018-07-22 01:44:36	domenkozar	I'm not sure, we first need to investigate what hie really needs at runtime from GHC
2018-07-22 01:45:26	Tehnix	At least with the current Makefile, we just recompile the code with the different stack.yamls for each version, and then copy the binary out. I am not sure how self-contained it is though
2018-07-22 01:47:04	Tehnix	But a hie binary would be the dream :) Then we can make each editor integration handle getting it. Or perhaps just bundle the binary with e.g. the VS Code extension, then it will update the binaries on extension updates
2018-07-22 01:48:05	Gurkenglas	alanz, https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/442a577d181d4af827c7e087ad108771
2018-07-22 01:48:23	Tehnix	domenkozar: your cachix, does that also work for other OSs than Linux? Have always wished for Nix cache on macOS :/
2018-07-22 01:48:47	domenkozar	Tehnix: sure, you can push macos binaries
2018-07-22 01:49:00	domenkozar	as long as you have a macos machine :)
2018-07-22 01:49:35	domenkozar	Tehnix: just using nix it means anyone using linux+macos could just use it
2018-07-22 01:49:49	Tehnix	Nice! :) 
2018-07-22 01:53:58	lukelau	domenkozar: 👍
2018-07-22 01:55:35	alanz	Gurkenglas, pull against master, that was just fixed
2018-07-22 02:02:03	Gurkenglas	alanz, doesnt seem to help https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/442a577d181d4af827c7e087ad108771
2018-07-22 02:02:55	Gurkenglas	https://github.com/Gurkenglas/haskell-ide-engine/tree/patch-3
2018-07-22 02:03:00	Gurkenglas	Or do you mean haskell:master?
2018-07-22 02:03:16	alanz	ah, yes.
2018-07-22 02:03:26	alanz	I was going to rebase, then hit that bug
2018-07-22 02:03:40	alanz	But will only be able to look tomorrow, about to afk
2018-07-22 02:21:49	 *	Gurkenglas .oO(Case study 2.2 from https://mpg.is/papers/gissurarson2018suggesting.pdf looks like some extra structure could let it not suggest both #= and .=)
2018-07-22 03:53:46	Gurkenglas	alanz, forked from haskell:master this time https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/442a577d181d4af827c7e087ad108771
2018-07-22 03:54:08	Gurkenglas	(alanz, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/compare/master...Gurkenglas:patch-4 )
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2018-07-22 04:06:52	Gurkenglas	...I'm probably doing something wrong because searching the github repos for CommandFunc doesn't turn up anything.
2018-07-22 04:07:40	Gurkenglas	I mean it's probably defined somewhere else but things are still not good if I can't jump to the definition of a token I see at the press of a button
2018-07-22 04:08:43	Gurkenglas	(even if it's because the repository wont compile because of some linker bug)
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2018-07-22 21:52:52	lukelau	Is GHC < 8.2.1 still supported on master branch?
2018-07-22 21:53:32	lukelau	We have some CPP statements for switching on GHC 7.10
2018-07-22 21:54:08	lukelau	Would it be ok to remove them if we have the separate branch? Or should we keep them in case we want to backport at some point
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2018-07-22 22:40:36	hexagoxel	lukelau: i might not have read all scrollback yet, but you are aware of the difference between race and concurrent, right?
2018-07-22 22:41:42	hexagoxel	and `race` must behave like the `withAsync` equivalent mentioned in its docs, even though it is implemented slightly differently.
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2018-07-22 23:00:26	hexagoxel	lukelau: could it be that `race` terminates too soon and `concurrent` terminates too late/never? might need a mixture of the two.
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2018-07-22 23:08:58	Gurkenglas	alanz, forking from master didn't seem to help. What's your status?
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2018-07-22 23:21:12	lukelau	hexagoxel: Yes, although our async processes never terminate so it shouldn’t make a difference right?
2018-07-22 23:21:25	lukelau	Unless there’s a difference between the two with how exceptions are handled
2018-07-22 23:21:58	hexagoxel	if none of them terminate regularly then there should be no difference
2018-07-22 23:33:40	hexagoxel	Gurkenglas: yeh, their method is much flatter. seems to make it much more feasible to take random stuff into the environment.
2018-07-22 23:35:39	hexagoxel	and apart from what you mentioned, they also seem to disable "abstract refinement hole fits" by default
2018-07-22 23:36:04	hexagoxel	it is really hard to tell from their examples how the results compare.
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2018-07-22 23:57:16	Gurkenglas	hexagoxel, the philosophy behind this plugin idea is that I replace a code snippet with _ where that compiles, then exfer code to replace that _ with, using the code I deleted as a probably-useful component
2018-07-22 23:58:49	Gurkenglas	And because exference and this new GHC thingy already do all that except including the deleted code, I can stop at the point where I've used the deleted code and hand the remainder off as _s to the user or those other tools
2018-07-23 00:34:37	Gurkenglas	hie fails to compile for me because realgcc.exe isn't found. What do?
2018-07-23 00:39:21	Gurkenglas	https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/442a577d181d4af827c7e087ad108771
2018-07-23 00:46:35	Gurkenglas	*realgcc doesn't find CreateProcess <.<
2018-07-23 00:49:32	--	Notice(GitHub14): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #698: Add a cabal CircleCI job (master...cabal-ci) https://git.io/fNl8w
2018-07-23 00:58:54	--	Notice(GitHub74): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #699: [WIP] Go to definition for project imports (master...goto-definition-import) https://git.io/fNl8j
2018-07-23 01:01:18	lukelau	Gurkenglas: Have you tried just nuking .stack-work?
2018-07-23 01:02:11	Gurkenglas	lukelau, yes, just now after googling some of that, didnt help
2018-07-23 01:03:01	lukelau	Can you compile anything with realgcc from the command line?
2018-07-23 01:06:52	Gurkenglas	lukelau, how do I check? What example file can I call that with?
2018-07-23 01:07:48	Gurkenglas	(Also the emacs shell doesnt seem to know this "realgcc" command)
2018-07-23 01:08:37	lukelau	realgcc test.c?
2018-07-23 01:08:38	Gurkenglas	stack exec realgcc successfully says that I didn't give it input files
2018-07-23 01:08:43	lukelau	I’m not sure what realgcc exactly is
2018-07-23 01:09:02	Gurkenglas	lukelau, no such file as "test.c". Should I make one? What should I put in there?
2018-07-23 01:09:10	lukelau	where test.c is something like “int main() {}"
2018-07-23 01:09:36	lukelau	But you can compile other haskell projects with stack right?
2018-07-23 01:09:52	lukelau	I’m not sure why hie would cause gcc to fail
2018-07-23 01:10:31	lukelau	I guess the nuclear option is also to remove ~/.stack
2018-07-23 01:10:48	Gurkenglas	lukelau, stack exec realgcc test.c completes without complaint
2018-07-23 01:11:01	lukelau	Did you remember to `git submodule update --recursive` as well? I forget to do that all the time
2018-07-23 01:11:28	Gurkenglas	I did that at some point, don't know how often I'd need to do that
2018-07-23 01:12:16	lukelau	Usually a good idea to do that every time you pull just in case
2018-07-23 01:12:30	Gurkenglas	¯\_(ツ)_/¯ kill all terminals
2018-07-23 01:12:31	lukelau	`git status` will show up as dirty if you do need to update them
2018-07-23 01:12:52	Gurkenglas	lotsa perl warnings when I do that
2018-07-23 01:12:55	Gurkenglas	git submodule update --recursive)
2018-07-23 01:12:57	Gurkenglas	*(
2018-07-23 01:13:21	Gurkenglas	Now stack install gives me "InvalidAbsFile "C:\\Users\\Gurkenglas\\Haskell\\haskell-ide-engine\\NUL""
2018-07-23 01:13:26	Gurkenglas	without outer ""
2018-07-23 01:13:52	lukelau	Perl warnings? D:
2018-07-23 01:14:22	lukelau	Does git status show up as clean and on a957ba1
2018-07-23 01:14:25	Gurkenglas	lukelau, https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/442a577d181d4af827c7e087ad108771#file-gistfile2-txt
2018-07-23 01:14:59	lukelau	Why the heck are you getting a perl warning from git
2018-07-23 01:15:03	Gurkenglas	lukelau, https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/442a577d181d4af827c7e087ad108771#file-gistfile3-txt
2018-07-23 01:15:16	lukelau	Oh probably best to remove NUL
2018-07-23 01:15:23	lukelau	git clean -f .
2018-07-23 01:15:50	lukelau	And I would run `git pull haskell master` to double check you’re up to date
2018-07-23 01:15:51	Gurkenglas	https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/442a577d181d4af827c7e087ad108771#file-gistfile4-txt
2018-07-23 01:16:12	Gurkenglas	"Already up-to-date."
2018-07-23 01:16:13	lukelau	Isn’t NUL a special windows thing?
2018-07-23 01:16:22	Gurkenglas	Dunno. I am on Windows.
2018-07-23 01:16:23	lukelau	Can you remove NUL with rm?
2018-07-23 01:16:32	lukelau	Or whatever the windows equivalent is
2018-07-23 01:16:33	Gurkenglas	rm NUL is silent
2018-07-23 01:16:40	lukelau	and is NUL still there?
2018-07-23 01:16:51	Gurkenglas	git status no longer lists NUL
2018-07-23 01:16:59	lukelau	Maybe try stack install again now?
2018-07-23 01:17:53	Gurkenglas	lukelau, https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/442a577d181d4af827c7e087ad108771#file-gistfile5-txt
2018-07-23 01:18:43	lukelau	Back to square one
2018-07-23 01:19:14	Gurkenglas	~/.stack was many gigs iirc, doesnt sound wise to rebuild all that
2018-07-23 01:19:28	Gurkenglas	Can I tell it to nuke just its dependencies in .stack?
2018-07-23 01:19:47	lukelau	Maybe `stack clean --full`?
2018-07-23 01:20:03	Gurkenglas	Silent. Rerunning stack install.
2018-07-23 01:20:04	lukelau	Not quite sure what exactly it cleans but it seems to leave ~/.stack relatively intact
2018-07-23 01:20:39	lukelau	Also does .stack-work\dist\7d103d30\build\hie\hie.exe exist?
2018-07-23 01:22:04	Gurkenglas	(stack install's still going.)
2018-07-23 01:24:50	lukelau	That’s a good sign right?
2018-07-23 01:25:28	Gurkenglas	It's just building all the packages I cleaned, I think
2018-07-23 01:27:56	wz1000	lukelau: RE your goto module definition PR: ModuleNames can also occur in export lists
2018-07-23 01:28:24	wz1000	module Foo ( module Bar ) where import Bar
2018-07-23 01:32:06	lukelau	wz1000: Never seen that before, will make a test case for that
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2018-07-23 01:35:24	lukelau	wz1000: Do you know what the AST type is for export lists?
2018-07-23 01:35:28	Gurkenglas	lukelau, https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/442a577d181d4af827c7e087ad108771#file-gistfile3-txt no improvement
2018-07-23 01:35:52	Gurkenglas	lukelau, no such hie.exe
2018-07-23 01:36:16	lukelau	I would maybe think of deleting ~/.stack/setup-exe-cache
2018-07-23 01:36:31	wz1000	lukelau: https://www.stackage.org/haddock/nightly-2018-03-21/ghc-8.4.1/HsImpExp.html#t:IE see IEModuleContents
2018-07-23 01:36:33	lukelau	That’s given me tons of headache in the past, especially when the stuff in the submodules folder changes
2018-07-23 01:36:51	lukelau	wz1000: thanks
2018-07-23 01:37:00	wz1000	lukelau: the exports are the third element of this tuple: https://www.stackage.org/haddock/nightly-2018-03-21/ghc-8.4.1/GHC.html#t:RenamedSource
2018-07-23 01:37:35	Gurkenglas	lukelau, "rm: cannot remove `c:/Users/Gurkenglas/AppData/Roaming/.stack/setup-exe-cache': No such file or directory"
2018-07-23 01:37:55	lukelau	sorry without the dot in stack
2018-07-23 01:38:30	Gurkenglas	Silent. Rerunning stack install.
2018-07-23 01:39:05	Gurkenglas	lukelau, no improvement
2018-07-23 01:42:28	lukelau	wz1000: Does that third element also include the importdecls from the second element?
2018-07-23 01:43:08	lukelau	Gurkenglas: You might want to give a shout in #haskell, I don’t have any other ideas sorry
2018-07-23 01:48:19	 *	alanz had a power failure all day :(
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2018-07-23 01:54:28	lukelau	alanz: yikes, are things back to normal now?
2018-07-23 01:55:22	Gurkenglas	Oh, hey. alanz, going to master didn't fix it, what do? https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/442a577d181d4af827c7e087ad108771
2018-07-23 01:56:47	alanz	lukelau, yes, but there was no timescale, so hung around waiting ...
2018-07-23 01:57:08	alanz	Gurkenglas, I am not looking at code today. I already lost a day, now doing other stuff
2018-07-23 01:57:40	lukelau	Gurkenglas: If all else fails, i think the final step would just be to completely nuke ~/stack and .stack-work
2018-07-23 01:58:04	Gurkenglas	I suppose I'll rename /stack instead
2018-07-23 01:58:45	lukelau	Gurkenglas: good idea
2018-07-23 01:58:57	wz1000	lukelau: no
2018-07-23 02:00:04	Gurkenglas	(running stack install)
2018-07-23 02:06:05	lukelau	wz1000: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/699/commits/155bb7f7b0b04474b0480587a3a7b17493432e8c
2018-07-23 02:06:43	lukelau	That was pleasant to write
2018-07-23 02:07:31	lukelau	Also for some reason HaRe seems to be much more reliable now
2018-07-23 02:07:51	lukelau	Did anything change?
2018-07-23 02:12:21	alanz	lukelau, it was updated for the more recent ghc-mod?
2018-07-23 02:13:19	lukelau	It works a charm now, previously renaming only worked every other time (don’t know why)
2018-07-23 02:13:31	lukelau	Super cool
2018-07-23 02:14:00	alanz	great
2018-07-23 02:47:31	lukelau	wz1000: the ghc-mod mkRevRedirMapFunc maps files from tmp -> actual right?
2018-07-23 02:47:42	lukelau	Or is it from actual -> tmp?
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2018-07-23 03:43:40	Gurkenglas	lukelau, https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/442a577d181d4af827c7e087ad108771#file-gistfile2-txt D:
2018-07-23 03:54:43	wz1000	lukelau: tmp -> actual
2018-07-23 03:54:58	wz1000	but canonicalise before calling
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2018-07-23 04:36:17	Gurkenglas	Is https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/tree/master/hie-plugin-api what I should have been looking at?
2018-07-23 04:42:50	Gurkenglas	Does anyone know how to write hie plugins and up for some collaborative editing? Until I can get hie to build, all I have is syntax highlighting. There should be a collaborative editing plugin you can add to your dreadnought IDE, select one and name it.
2018-07-23 04:44:30	Gurkenglas	(both in the sense that if hie built, I could use it, and in the sense that intero won't give me advanced features if it can't build the project.)
2018-07-23 04:53:17	Gurkenglas	lukelau, simply reran. Finally finished, still that realgcc thing
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2018-07-23 05:21:25	lukelau	Gurkenglas: Did you install realgcc from somewhere?
2018-07-23 05:21:29	lukelau	Or does it come with windows?
2018-07-23 05:21:53	Gurkenglas	dunno
2018-07-23 05:22:10	Gurkenglas	I don't remember directly manually installing it
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2018-07-23 05:33:10	lukelau	wz1000: I’m just noticing that when trying to reverse map the module to go to, if its not already open then the reverse file map won’t have that file
2018-07-23 05:33:22	lukelau	So it ends up jumping to the temporary file
2018-07-23 05:33:46	lukelau	Is there a way to force ghc-mod to map a file?
2018-07-23 05:34:17	lukelau	I see there’s `addMMappedFile` but that presumes I know what the original file is
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2018-07-23 05:34:28	lukelau	GHC gives me back the location of the temporary file
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2018-07-23 09:07:41	wz1000	lukelau: use the reverse map function included in the CachedModule
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2018-07-23 13:06:43	Tehnix	Is the planned features section up-to-date? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#planned-features
2018-07-23 13:06:56	Tehnix	I feel some of these are sorta there
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2018-07-23 13:30:08	--	Notice(GitHub99): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/fNlyU
2018-07-23 13:30:08	--	Notice(GitHub99): haskell-ide-engine/master f352a69 Luke Lau: Bump to 0.2.2.0...
2018-07-23 13:30:08	--	Notice(GitHub99): haskell-ide-engine/master 679581f Luke Lau: Bump hie-plugin-api version
2018-07-23 13:30:08	--	Notice(GitHub99): haskell-ide-engine/master f73e469 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #696 from Bubba/0.2.2.0-bump...
2018-07-23 13:30:08	--	Notice(GitHub78): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #696: Bump to 0.2.2.0 (master...0.2.2.0-bump) https://git.io/fNWQO
2018-07-23 13:32:23	--	Notice(GitHub90): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz tagged 0.2.2.0 at a1360a7: https://git.io/fNlys
2018-07-23 13:37:35	--	Notice(GitHub126): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #691: Add hover, highlighting and formatting tests (master...func-tests) https://git.io/fNWXh
2018-07-23 13:37:36	--	Notice(GitHub68): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 13 new commits to master: https://git.io/fNlya
2018-07-23 13:37:37	--	Notice(GitHub68): haskell-ide-engine/master 43f3696 Luke Lau: Add tests for definitions
2018-07-23 13:37:37	--	Notice(GitHub68): haskell-ide-engine/master a5b823a Luke Lau: Add hover tests
2018-07-23 13:37:37	--	Notice(GitHub68): haskell-ide-engine/master 4323611 Luke Lau: Merge branch 'completion-tests' of https://github.com/Bubba/haskell-ide-engine into definition-tests
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2018-07-23 15:45:29	lukelau	wz1000: My problem is that the module I want to jump to isn’t in the reverse map function
2018-07-23 15:46:15	lukelau	This is from printing out the contents of getMMappedFiles
2018-07-23 15:48:32	lukelau	alanz: re #698, would it be sufficient enough to set “concurrent-tests: false” in stack.yaml?
2018-07-23 15:51:11	lukelau	The unit tests themselves do run faster when setting -j to 2, I’m thinking maybe stack also limits the number of cores that they run on
2018-07-23 15:51:27	lukelau	Since the unit tests themselves should be running serially
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2018-07-23 16:09:24	alanz	lukelau, that sounds like a good option
2018-07-23 16:09:40	wz1000	lukelau: the mapping state at the time the module was compiled is stored in the reverse map function in the CachedModule
2018-07-23 16:11:56	wz1000	use the revMap in the CachedModule
2018-07-23 16:12:50	lukelau	wz1000: using revMap just gives me back the same temporary file
2018-07-23 16:13:43	lukelau	The temporary file hasn’t been typechecked by ghcmod yet
2018-07-23 16:14:19	wz1000	lukelau: oh, you are using findImportedModule from GHC
2018-07-23 16:14:22	lukelau	Yes
2018-07-23 16:14:59	lukelau	Although I thought it would have already been mapped if GHC created a temporary file for it
2018-07-23 16:15:21	lukelau	Because then it must have been mapped at some point right?
2018-07-23 16:15:24	wz1000	ok, so this is what is happening: say module Foo imports module Bar
2018-07-23 16:15:42	wz1000	Bar is initially mapped to temp1
2018-07-23 16:15:58	wz1000	so when Foo is compiled, revMap takes temp1 to Bar
2018-07-23 16:16:05	wz1000	but then say Bar is modified
2018-07-23 16:16:21	wz1000	and the new temp file is temp2
2018-07-23 16:16:39	lukelau	Not exactly
2018-07-23 16:16:41	wz1000	when you ask ghc to findImportedModule, it will return temp2
2018-07-23 16:17:10	lukelau	Bar hasn’t been modified or opened at all
2018-07-23 16:17:14	lukelau	What I’m finding is
2018-07-23 16:17:25	lukelau	I have Foo: “module Foo imports module Bar”
2018-07-23 16:17:28	wz1000	then there shouldn't be a temporary file for Bar at all
2018-07-23 16:17:50	lukelau	Somehow findImportedModule returns a temporary file
2018-07-23 16:17:56	lukelau	And it doesn’t exist in the file map
2018-07-23 16:18:05	lukelau	I’m not sure how it ends up like this
2018-07-23 16:18:09	wz1000	lukelau: is the temporary file in some ghc-mod/ directory?
2018-07-23 16:18:32	lukelau	Yeah, the same temporary directory as Foo
2018-07-23 16:18:47	lukelau	So you have ghc-mod1234/Foo1234.hs and ghc-mod1234/Bar1234.hs
2018-07-23 16:18:53	lukelau	But Bar was never opened
2018-07-23 16:19:02	wz1000	are you sure?
2018-07-23 16:19:16	lukelau	Will do a double check just to make sure
2018-07-23 16:19:32	wz1000	lukelau: does that temp file actually exist in the filesystem?
2018-07-23 16:20:38	lukelau	Yes
2018-07-23 16:20:40	lukelau	Ok just checked,
2018-07-23 16:21:02	lukelau	It only appears after I call the goto command
2018-07-23 16:21:20	lukelau	Now I’m super confused
2018-07-23 16:21:34	lukelau	GHC is definitely returning this temporary file path
2018-07-23 16:21:40	wz1000	and goto takes you to that file?
2018-07-23 16:21:48	lukelau	But if it didn’t exist before hand then where did the file contents come from
2018-07-23 16:21:52	lukelau	yeah
2018-07-23 16:22:01	lukelau	Hold on let me do a screen cast
2018-07-23 16:22:54	lukelau	Oh what
2018-07-23 16:23:07	lukelau	Oh!! It gets created whenever I hover over it
2018-07-23 16:23:17	lukelau	That explains why I was only seeing this in VS code
2018-07-23 16:23:24	wz1000	vscode calls goto when you hover
2018-07-23 16:23:26	wz1000	i think
2018-07-23 16:23:39	lukelau	I think its generating a preview of the hover
2018-07-23 16:24:08	wz1000	lukelau: can you send me the logs?
2018-07-23 16:24:14	wz1000	from a fresh session?
2018-07-23 16:24:29	lukelau	ok, doing that now
2018-07-23 16:24:55	lukelau	wz1000: 
2018-07-23 16:24:57	lukelau	https://streamable.com/6qa1e
2018-07-23 16:26:17	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/Bubba/2b1c69d054ccb94698d859af2cbbf7a9
2018-07-23 16:26:45	wz1000	lukelau: A imports B?
2018-07-23 16:26:51	lukelau	Yes
2018-07-23 16:28:29	lukelau	With LanguageClient neovim this goes straight to the correct file
2018-07-23 16:29:06	lukelau	Ah but once I call hover it brings me to the temporary file
2018-07-23 16:30:32	wz1000	lukelau: 2018-07-23 11:52:48.605468 [ThreadId 6] - <--2--{"result":[{"uri":"file:///Users/luke/Desktop/moduletest/B.hs","range":{"start":{"line":0,"character":0},"end":{"line":0,"character":0}}}],"jsonrpc":"2.0","id":4}
2018-07-23 16:30:38	wz1000	this seems fine
2018-07-23 16:30:43	wz1000	the  result of goto
2018-07-23 16:33:00	lukelau	Check the last line of the log though
2018-07-23 16:33:10	lukelau	It has a result with a temporary file 
2018-07-23 16:33:40	lukelau	wz1000: I think that result might have been from an earlier session? 
2018-07-23 16:34:14	lukelau	wz1000: Ah if you scroll a bit further up the logs show that I opened B.hs before calling goto that time
2018-07-23 16:34:23	wz1000	lukelau: the timestamp is just a few seconds before
2018-07-23 16:34:37	wz1000	lukelau: yeah, I'm pretty sure the problem is what I said
2018-07-23 16:34:52	wz1000	when A is compiled, the mapping state doesn't have B as you haven't opened it
2018-07-23 16:35:12	wz1000	so revMap in A doesn't have the mapping for tempB -> B
2018-07-23 16:35:29	wz1000	when you open B, it creates a temp file tempB
2018-07-23 16:35:48	wz1000	but then you call goto from A again, and revMap for a doesn't know about tempB
2018-07-23 16:36:04	wz1000	because it was saved when A was originally compiled
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2018-07-23 16:36:54	wz1000	lukelau: I think the solution is that you might need to go through all the CachedModules to see if that B has been cached
2018-07-23 16:36:59	wz1000	instead of using revMap
2018-07-23 16:37:48	wz1000	so look through all the CachedModules until you find one compiled for file tempB
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2018-07-23 16:39:37	lukelau	But this only happens if I hover?
2018-07-23 16:39:45	wz1000	lukelau: TypecheckedModule.ParsedModule.ModSummary.ModLocation will contain the filename the module was compiled with
2018-07-23 16:41:07	wz1000	when you get the result of findImportedModule, you need to look through the CachedModules until you find one with the same filename in the ModLocation
2018-07-23 16:41:41	wz1000	and then you can use the revMap from that CachedModule to get your original filename
2018-07-23 16:41:41	lukelau	Ok
2018-07-23 16:47:18	lukelau	That makes a lot more sense now
2018-07-23 16:47:26	lukelau	I’ll take a stab at that today
2018-07-23 16:47:28	lukelau	Thanks!
2018-07-23 16:47:47	wz1000	btw, I'm trying to improve the live editing support in GHC so we don't have to deal with all this temp file/file mapping nonsense altogether
2018-07-23 16:47:59	lukelau	So I hear! I’m super excited
2018-07-23 16:48:14	lukelau	How’s progress been going?
2018-07-23 16:50:00	wz1000	pretty good, though I'm more focused on my main GSOC stuff so I haven't got around to the live editing stuff yet
2018-07-23 16:50:42	lukelau	The main gsoc project is for the hi files right?
2018-07-23 16:51:35	wz1000	no, I'm adding a new .hie file 
2018-07-23 16:51:48	wz1000	which HIE can used instead of typechecked modules
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2018-07-23 16:52:38	wz1000	s/used/use
2018-07-23 16:54:26	lukelau	Awesome
2018-07-23 16:54:41	wz1000	see https://github.com/wz1000/ghc/blob/hiefile/compiler/hiefile/HieTypes.hs#L116
2018-07-23 16:54:46	lukelau	The less time we have to spend faffing about with temporary file mapping the better
2018-07-23 16:55:30	wz1000	this goto definition patch you are working on would be quite simple with hie files
2018-07-23 16:56:23	wz1000	it basically captures every Name/ModuleName in the AST, where it occurs, and some context about it
2018-07-23 16:56:36	lukelau	Looks like a nice a wealth of information in that AST
2018-07-23 16:57:25	wz1000	so we don't need all that interval map stuff anymore
2018-07-23 16:57:42	wz1000	this is like a unified interval map that caputers everything we need to know
2018-07-23 16:57:52	wz1000	*captures
2018-07-23 17:01:30	wz1000	also, it tries to compute scope information for bindings, so that we can have proper local identifier completion
2018-07-23 17:05:31	lukelau	Have you started integrating this into hie yet?
2018-07-23 17:06:37	lukelau	Actually we need to update ghc-mod for it first right?
2018-07-23 17:07:11	wz1000	no, I'm working on making haddock use it right now
2018-07-23 17:07:22	wz1000	for hyperlinked-source
2018-07-23 17:07:54	wz1000	so that we can have all the HIE-like goodies when browsing docs on hackage
2018-07-23 17:08:10	wz1000	I don't think ghc-mod would need to be updated
2018-07-23 17:08:53	wz1000	since you just need to read a file, not set up a ghc session
2018-07-23 17:09:56	wz1000	so I imagine HIE will fallback on .hie files when it can't set up a ghc session(which means we get some support for cabal new-build and even more exotic build systems)
2018-07-23 17:10:11	wz1000	of course, with only .hie files, you can't access the ghc api
2018-07-23 17:10:19	wz1000	so you are a bit restricted
2018-07-23 17:10:35	wz1000	but it should work for most of the common features in HIE
2018-07-23 17:11:16	wz1000	like goto definition, references(it should also enable cross package references), type info, so on
2018-07-23 17:12:16	wz1000	completion
2018-07-23 17:14:09	lukelau	What do you mean by can’t set up a GHC session?
2018-07-23 17:15:33	wz1000	for example new-build, or make
2018-07-23 17:16:17	wz1000	also, if you have .hie files lying around on disk, HIE can instantly work for some stuff even when ghc is still compiling the file/failed to compile the file
2018-07-23 17:17:52	wz1000	like with HIE, if you open a file that doesn't initially compile, it doesn't work at all.
2018-07-23 17:18:17	wz1000	.hie files can be a way to save the results of the last compile in a persistent way
2018-07-23 17:20:20	alanz	One of the big benefits I am looking forward to is having them for all the other packages installed on the machine
2018-07-23 17:20:27	alanz	so being able to look up stuff from deps
2018-07-23 17:22:00	wz1000	yeah, and we can have tools to build call graphs as the like
2018-07-23 17:22:44	wz1000	so you can see everything that directly or indirectly uses a symbol,
2018-07-23 17:22:57	wz1000	figure out exactly what will be affected by a change
2018-07-23 17:22:57	alanz	its a great enabler
2018-07-23 17:29:40	lukelau	That’s really neat
2018-07-23 17:29:47	lukelau	Like a supercharged findReferences
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2018-07-23 18:07:06	lukelau	wz1000: Your solution works great
2018-07-23 18:07:15	lukelau	for the mapping thing
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2018-07-23 18:44:20	--	Notice(GitHub83): haskell-ide-engine/master 6108410 Luke Lau: Merge branch 'stack-internal-library-fix' into cabal-ci
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2018-07-23 18:54:52	alanz	lukelau, I get nervous when I see code like 'cmdName = commandMap BM.! "applyrefact:applyOne"'
2018-07-23 18:55:26	alanz	What happens when it does not match, at runtime some time, for a code action that we have missed a test case for?
2018-07-23 18:56:54	alanz	We had a type level thing at one stage, checking that sort of thing. In an earlier incarnation of hie. I think cocreature did it. Treated the strings as being of type Symbol, iirc
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2018-07-23 19:41:43	Gurkenglas	alanz, building haskell/master also fails with the realgcc thing.
2018-07-23 20:11:19	alanz	Gurkenglas, I only know how to do stuff on Linux
2018-07-23 20:14:37	Gurkenglas	alanz, what caused/fixed the realgcc bug on Linux?
2018-07-23 20:14:53	alanz	I have never experienced it
2018-07-23 20:15:21	alanz	Is there a branch that exhibits it on linux?
2018-07-23 20:16:18	Gurkenglas	alanz, what were you referring to in "<alanz> Gurkenglas, pull against master, that was just fixed"?
2018-07-23 20:16:57	alanz	there was a problem with stack, in that it does not support internal libraries in cabal files. lukelau removed the internal library. 
2018-07-23 20:17:13	alanz	It caused a weird error, which I posted here, I think
2018-07-23 20:19:06	Gurkenglas	Ah I was talking about the realgcc thing back then ._. has anyone here build hie on Windows?
2018-07-23 20:19:11	Gurkenglas	*built
2018-07-23 20:19:15	Gurkenglas	Or anyone not here :D
2018-07-23 20:19:35	Gurkenglas	Do you have a travis setup to check all those esoteric operating systems?
2018-07-23 20:20:24	alanz	not at the moment. Need to do it, some time, I guess. I gather appveyor is the standard one for windows?
2018-07-23 20:23:01	Gurkenglas	Haven't heard of appveyor. (Is that something you choose after having chosen Travis?)
2018-07-23 20:23:30	alanz	I have just seen the name, in the context of CI for windows
2018-07-23 20:23:39	Gurkenglas	Okay so https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/issues/1947 suggests making the filepath of the stack directory as short as possible. …
2018-07-23 20:23:46	alanz	Look at e.g. haskell/cabal repo, I think they use it
2018-07-23 20:25:54	lukelau	alanz: Yeah its not pretty, its a fairly ugly workaround for that unique command identifier quirk
2018-07-23 20:26:13	lukelau	I’ll put in a ticket to refactor that into having some sort of data type
2018-07-23 20:26:25	alanz	sounds good
2018-07-23 20:26:45	alanz	Tie it in with that commands registry too, in LspStdIO.hs
2018-07-23 20:27:01	alanz	I am looking at the CodeAction stuff atm, for an example plugin
2018-07-23 20:27:12	alanz	And wondering how it could be more modular
2018-07-23 20:27:32	lukelau	I like the idea of a plugindescriptor but for code actions
2018-07-23 20:27:36	alanz	Because it works, but it is not clear how to add a new code action provider
2018-07-23 20:27:40	alanz	yes
2018-07-23 20:28:07	alanz	And ideally some sort of automatic conversion from the new to the old
2018-07-23 20:28:26	alanz	Make a command with the same params, that runs the new one on the server, or some such
2018-07-23 20:28:46	alanz	lukelau, another thought struck me earlier
2018-07-23 20:29:03	alanz	It might be good to write a blog post about code actions in hie
2018-07-23 20:30:00	alanz	The basic philosophy behind them, in that they are context sensitive, and extensible, so provide a simple (ha ha) mechanism to add additional functionality to any IDE
2018-07-23 20:30:12	alanz	And the (ha ha) is because we have not refactored it yet
2018-07-23 20:35:25	lukelau	alanz: A blog post might be a good bit of documentation too!
2018-07-23 20:35:49	alanz	that's what I thought. And if you did it, it would raise your profile nicely too
2018-07-23 20:36:26	lukelau	I’m going to scrap this ticket on refactoring the command identifiers and just make one for refactoring code actions in general
2018-07-23 20:36:31	alanz	And it is something that needs explanation, it is not at all obvious how it works, in terms of implementation
2018-07-23 20:37:02	alanz	well, maybe do it in 2 steps? You tend to come with this mega PRs that are quite hard to digest
2018-07-23 20:37:11	lukelau	Yeah its a bad habit of mine haha
2018-07-23 20:37:30	lukelau	Will need to break it down into maybe adding a new mechanism first and then a migration of the existing plugins
2018-07-23 20:37:47	lukelau	I think it will be tricky to describe the context that code actions should appear in
2018-07-23 20:38:16	lukelau	Currently they’re all based off of diagnostics, but if we ever have stuff like refactoring suggestions
2018-07-23 20:38:37	lukelau	Then we’ll need to take into account like the symbol under the cursor etc
2018-07-23 20:38:41	alanz	well, the context cannot be anthything more than what the request provides
2018-07-23 20:39:25	alanz	so first pass is to have something that allows a plugin to get the req, and return a possibly empty list of actions
2018-07-23 20:39:39	alanz	which the manager can then put together as a whole
2018-07-23 20:39:54	alanz	Just that change will make it clearer how to add new ones.
2018-07-23 20:40:31	alanz	i.e. the pluginDescriptor can specify a Maybe callback for providing code actions back
2018-07-23 20:40:51	lukelau	That sounds like a good start
2018-07-23 20:40:55	alanz	then as a separate thing we can look at helpers to decide on things like the symbol at point etc
2018-07-23 20:42:38	lukelau	The current code actions just depend on diagnostics, which come from the request
2018-07-23 20:42:42	lukelau	*with the request
2018-07-23 20:42:58	alanz	but it has a location too?
2018-07-23 20:43:13	lukelau	The locations are inside the diagnostics
2018-07-23 20:43:15	lukelau	I think?
2018-07-23 20:43:31	alanz	otherwise the route is for e.g. HaRe to push out diagnostics of possible rename points
2018-07-23 20:43:38	 *	alanz looking
2018-07-23 20:44:33	alanz	http://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp-types-0.4.0.0/docs/Language-Haskell-LSP-TH-DataTypesJSON.html#t:CodeActionParams
2018-07-23 20:44:36	alanz	there is a range
2018-07-23 20:45:13	alanz	wait, that is the wrong one
2018-07-23 20:45:32	lukelau	http://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp-types-0.4.0.0/docs/Language-Haskell-LSP-TH-DataTypesJSON.html#t:Diagnostic
2018-07-23 20:46:25	lukelau	I’m just remembering part of the reason why CodeActions.hs is so ugly, any code actions that rely on Hoogle have to make an IDE request
2018-07-23 20:46:38	lukelau	Which then quickly turns into callback hell
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2018-07-23 21:17:01	lukelau	wz1000: I’m still running into problems, for some reason the GhcModuleCache doesn’t contain the newly loaded module after opening
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2018-07-23 21:19:22	lukelau	Never mind
2018-07-23 21:19:50	lukelau	It’s actually a case of opening Foo
2018-07-23 21:19:56	lukelau	goto-ing to Bar
2018-07-23 21:20:43	lukelau	closing Bar
2018-07-23 21:20:52	lukelau	And then the uricache for it no longer exists
2018-07-23 21:21:05	lukelau	So there’s nothing to map back the temporary file
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2018-07-23 21:43:59	lukelau	Is there a reason why the file maps are module specific anyway? 
2018-07-23 21:44:44	lukelau	If I merge the file maps inside cacheModule it works, but it seems dodgy
2018-07-23 21:44:55	lukelau	merge the file maps between the uri caches
2018-07-23 21:49:15	wz1000	lukelau: yes. The map in each module captures the mapping state at it was when that module was compiled
2018-07-23 21:49:56	lukelau	Yeah, I don’t think I will go down this route
2018-07-23 21:50:26	wz1000	so if we have a CachedModule for Foo compiled against Bar in tempBar1.hs, but the current mapping state is Bar -> tempBar2.hs, the things in the AST will reference tempBar1.hs
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2018-07-23 22:16:47	lukelau	wz1000: Found a much easier solution: Just call flushFinderCaches
2018-07-23 22:17:05	lukelau	And then findImportedModule  always points to the actual source file
2018-07-23 22:17:10	lukelau	Not the temporary file
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2018-07-23 23:48:50	alanz	lukelau, my irc connection went down earlier. Or rather, my bouncer disconnected
2018-07-24 00:13:51	--	Notice(GitHub116): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #702: Add instructions to install cabal-install (master...master) https://git.io/fN8MZ
2018-07-24 00:22:36	alanz	Perhaps we can use this for windows tests: https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/911orb/haskell_appveyor_with_chocolatey/
2018-07-24 01:19:19	lukelau	alanz: A lot of bouncers started disconnecting over on #haskell too
2018-07-24 01:19:57	alanz	ok, a disturbance in the force
2018-07-24 01:23:08	lukelau	alanz: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/704
2018-07-24 01:23:42	alanz	+1
2018-07-24 01:26:46	alanz	BTW, I saw this added to the list of LSP clients: https://github.com/joaotavora/eglot
2018-07-24 01:26:50	alanz	trying it out
2018-07-24 01:32:43	lukelau	Interesting. Does everything “just work”?
2018-07-24 01:34:48	alanz	hitting some issues installing it, so reinstalling some other stuff. And *sloooow* github clones. Again.
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2018-07-24 01:40:52	lukelau	Is github giving you a dodgy mirror for your region?
2018-07-24 01:41:42	alanz	I don't know. It always seems slow for me, especially in the evening. Might be an ISP issue or some such
2018-07-24 01:41:59	alanz	getting around 80kb/sec download
2018-07-24 01:42:25	alanz	where the line should be around 1m
2018-07-24 01:42:32	alanz	1M
2018-07-24 02:01:26	lukelau	Wow that is pretty bad
2018-07-24 02:02:07	lukelau	Is it constantly/during peak times?
2018-07-24 02:02:59	alanz	I'm just watching it, it is cloning repos, and the more popular ones seem to come down faster. So org goes at line speed, haskell-mode much slower
2018-07-24 02:03:10	alanz	So probably related to ISP caching.
2018-07-24 02:03:23	alanz	or we are now over internet peak in ZA
2018-07-24 02:03:49	lukelau	Surely this is off peak times now?
2018-07-24 02:04:05	alanz	but anyway, this is the main reason I am in favour of submodules. I can blow away .stack-work and not reclone everything
2018-07-24 02:04:22	alanz	Netflix. So peak lasts until around 10.30pm
2018-07-24 02:04:36	alanz	which just passed here
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2018-07-24 02:05:12	lukelau	Netflix is like a third of all internet traffic right?
2018-07-24 02:05:22	lukelau	Also this article always reminds me of how fragile ISPs can be This article always reminds how fragile ISPs can be https://panic.com/blog/mystery-of-the-slow-downloads/
2018-07-24 02:05:25	alanz	some huge percentae
2018-07-24 02:05:30	lukelau	*https://panic.com/blog/mystery-of-the-slow-downloads/
2018-07-24 02:05:50	alanz	This thing that is supposedly decentralised and robust, but not actually
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2018-07-24 02:09:39	alanz	I remember reading a techdirt article about this sort of stuff, where the peering is literally a cat5 cable in a data center. But the business fights meant they did not plug it in
2018-07-24 02:09:58	lukelau	That is terrifying
2018-07-24 02:10:22	lukelau	I read an interesting comment on reddit yesterday that its strange how the internet isn’t nationalised and largely a monopoly, whenever its something that came from government funded research
2018-07-24 02:10:49	lukelau	Not that a government controlled internet would be much better though
2018-07-24 02:11:06	alanz	I think it snuck in before anyone realised how important it would get
2018-07-24 02:11:46	alanz	and the original design was to be able to maintain comms in the aftermath of a nuclear attack, so it had to be able to route around any arbitrary piece being missing
2018-07-24 02:11:56	alanz	Which makes it anti-control
2018-07-24 02:12:39	lukelau	I never knew that
2018-07-24 02:13:15	alanz	now you do
2018-07-24 02:13:28	lukelau	If I have some spare time and a couple thousands bucks lying around though, maybe I’ll try https://startyourownisp.com
2018-07-24 02:15:04	alanz	interesting
2018-07-24 02:15:19	alanz	There are often local mesh networks in an area
2018-07-24 02:15:35	alanz	run on a non-profit cooperative basis
2018-07-24 02:16:00	alanz	e.g. https://ctwug.za.net/
2018-07-24 02:16:43	alanz	but in germany there is a thing called freifunk too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freifunk
2018-07-24 02:16:51	alanz	sure there would be something in your zone too
2018-07-24 02:21:12	lukelau	alanz: Didn’t find any grassroots providers, but I found the application form to be a member of the ISP association of ireland http://www.ispai.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/ISPAI-2018-MEMBERSHIP-APPLICATION.pdf
2018-07-24 02:21:12	lukelau	lol
2018-07-24 02:22:59	alanz	Micro provider, 400 euro
2018-07-24 02:24:00	alanz	Depends where you operate too. I understand Dublin has pretty good free wifi, so a bit pointless?
2018-07-24 02:24:49	lukelau	Google’s based in Dublin so it has pretty good wifi
2018-07-24 02:25:16	lukelau	But I just found a couple of independent providers for rural parts of Ireland
2018-07-24 02:25:24	lukelau	http://ruralbroadband.ie
2018-07-24 02:32:39	--	Notice(GitHub118): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #705: Add bounds to haskell-lsp in hie-plugin-api (master...hie-plugin-api-lsp-bounds) https://git.io/fN8xr
2018-07-24 02:58:16	lukelau	I was thinking if it would make sense swapping around the lsp transport and json transport, so that `hie --lsp` becomes the default and json needs `hie --json`
2018-07-24 02:59:56	alanz	that does make sense. But keep the --lsp too, so the existing batch files etc continue working. Just make it default to on
2018-07-24 03:02:15	lukelau	Yes, just make `--lsp` a no-op
2018-07-24 03:04:35	alanz	yes
2018-07-24 03:05:08	lukelau	I’ll whip up a quick PR for that
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2018-07-24 10:42:49	wz1000	lukelau: that might screw up some mapped file stuff
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2018-07-24 12:01:18	--	Notice(GitHub148): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fN4lz
2018-07-24 12:01:18	--	Notice(GitHub148): haskell-ide-engine/master dfb9ee8 Alan Zimmerman: Add instructions to install cabal-install...
2018-07-24 12:01:18	--	Notice(GitHub148): haskell-ide-engine/master 42bbdef Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #702 from alanz/master...
2018-07-24 12:01:18	--	Notice(GitHub2): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #702: Add instructions to install cabal-install (master...master) https://git.io/fN8MZ
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2018-07-24 12:01:54	--	Notice(GitHub66): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fN4l2
2018-07-24 12:01:54	--	Notice(GitHub66): haskell-ide-engine/master ff13263 Luke Lau: Add bounds to haskell-lsp in hie-plugin-api
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2018-07-24 12:03:24	--	Notice(GitHub92): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 3 new commits to master: https://git.io/fN4lw
2018-07-24 12:03:24	--	Notice(GitHub92): haskell-ide-engine/master ffced40 Luke Lau: Make --lsp the default, add --json flag
2018-07-24 12:03:24	--	Notice(GitHub92): haskell-ide-engine/master 84c2abd Luke Lau: Update README
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2018-07-24 12:04:10	--	Notice(GitHub187): haskell-ide-engine/master 8054887 Gurkenglas: Remove cask info...
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2018-07-24 14:27:29	lukelau	wz1000: so maybe it’s just a matter of flushing that cache whenever a cachedModule is deleted?
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2018-07-24 15:39:24	lukelau	Trying out appveyor https://ci.appveyor.com/project/Bubba/haskell-ide-engine
2018-07-24 15:40:08	alanz	nice
2018-07-24 16:01:46	--	Notice(GitHub60): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #708: Show warning if cabal-install is not installed (master...check-cabal) https://git.io/fN4oh
2018-07-24 16:18:39	lukelau	It’s always interesting when seeing a fresh stack build, that the start is spent building primitive data strucutre and utility dependencies, and as time goes on more and more higher-level packages get built
2018-07-24 16:21:24	alanz	which makes sense
2018-07-24 16:23:27	lukelau	It’s like watching a history of programming abstractions
2018-07-24 16:24:01	lukelau	With haskell-ide-engine being the pinnacle
2018-07-24 16:24:09	alanz	:)
2018-07-24 17:14:16	--	Notice(GitHub70): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 11 new commits to master: https://git.io/fN41n
2018-07-24 17:14:16	--	Notice(GitHub70): haskell-ide-engine/master 19cf7d7 Luke Lau: Add imported modules to goto definition...
2018-07-24 17:14:16	--	Notice(GitHub70): haskell-ide-engine/master 7795fe4 Luke Lau: Fix 8.2.x builds
2018-07-24 17:14:16	--	Notice(GitHub70): haskell-ide-engine/master 155bb7f Luke Lau: Add goto'ing exported modules
2018-07-24 17:14:17	--	Notice(GitHub187): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #699: Go to definition for project imports (master...goto-definition-import) https://git.io/fNl8j
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2018-07-24 17:17:16	--	Notice(GitHub140): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba created changelog (+1 new commit): https://git.io/fN41S
2018-07-24 17:17:16	--	Notice(GitHub140): haskell-ide-engine/changelog 041b5c3 Luke Lau: Update Changelog.md
2018-07-24 17:17:21	--	Notice(GitHub10): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #709: Update Changelog.md (master...changelog) https://git.io/fN419
2018-07-24 17:21:12	lukelau	AppVeyor builds have a hard limit of one hour, current build is on the final caching step at 59 minutes
2018-07-24 17:21:15	lukelau	This is terrifying
2018-07-24 17:22:07	alanz	that is how travis is/was. Except they only allow 50 mine, iirc.
2018-07-24 17:22:15	alanz	Which is why we switched to circle
2018-07-24 17:25:17	lukelau	50 minutes is very short
2018-07-24 17:25:35	alanz	agree
2018-07-24 17:25:49	lukelau	Also I’m amazed that circle CI hasn’t cut off my fork’s builds yet
2018-07-24 17:25:59	lukelau	I’ve used 201h of container time this month...
2018-07-24 17:27:23	alanz	I think they say 1500 minutes, but it is actually hours
2018-07-24 17:34:33	alanz	lukelau, jumping to an import is cool
2018-07-24 17:35:50	lukelau	Thanks, is it working ok?
2018-07-24 17:36:00	lukelau	You should be able to jump to exports too
2018-07-24 17:39:22	alanz	I just did a very basic test, will drive it harder soon
2018-07-24 17:40:56	alanz	The error message if you select a non-project module is not that good
2018-07-24 17:41:40	alanz	if I put it on "Haskell.Ide.Engine.MonadTypes", it says nothing found for "Haskell"
2018-07-24 17:41:43	alanz	not the whole thing
2018-07-24 17:42:05	alanz	Or whatever subword the cursor is on for that import
2018-07-24 17:42:35	alanz	I wonder if we could highlight local deps in a different colour.
2018-07-24 17:47:54	lukelau	I get just “Not found!”
2018-07-24 17:47:59	lukelau	I think it might be a client thing
2018-07-24 17:48:09	lukelau	This is on vim
2018-07-24 17:54:01	alanz	I get "no definition found for : Haskell"
2018-07-24 17:54:10	alanz	on the message area, in haskell
2018-07-24 17:54:25	alanz	maybe it is the client, let me try in vscode
2018-07-24 17:55:20	alanz	same in vscode
2018-07-24 17:55:28	alanz	but as a popup
2018-07-24 17:55:43	alanz	It works like a bomb though, this is only a niggle
2018-07-24 17:57:43	--	Notice(GitHub190): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #710: Start work on refactoring Code Actions (master...code-action-plugin) https://git.io/fN499
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2018-07-24 20:48:50	Gurkenglas	alanz, status on the example?
2018-07-24 20:49:31	Gurkenglas	Would anyone who's familiar with hie plugin making be up for collaborative editing? They could also supply the IDE features beyond syntax highlighting.
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2018-07-24 23:30:36	alanz	Gurkenglas, I am waiting for lukelau to refactor the codeaction stuff. Which he has done, I must merge the patch, now I have some time
2018-07-24 23:31:08	alanz	lukelau, I intend merging that patch as it does something useful already
2018-07-24 23:31:17	alanz	Is that ok?
2018-07-24 23:35:52	lukelau	Yep! The functional tests should make sure that the refactor is safe. They’re paying off already!
2018-07-24 23:37:23	alanz	great. Its good to have a sense of safety when you change things
2018-07-24 23:37:32	alanz	So I will push the button
2018-07-24 23:38:48	alanz	hmm, a whole lot of new changes, will examine first, then button
2018-07-24 23:44:32	--	Notice(GitHub115): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #710: Refactor Code Actions (master...code-action-plugin) https://git.io/fN499
2018-07-24 23:44:32	--	Notice(GitHub195): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 10 new commits to master: https://git.io/fNBzI
2018-07-24 23:44:32	--	Notice(GitHub195): haskell-ide-engine/master 572fb1f Luke Lau: Add pluginCodeActions field to descriptor
2018-07-24 23:44:32	--	Notice(GitHub195): haskell-ide-engine/master a51cf90 Luke Lau: Add null code action providers to existing plugins
2018-07-24 23:44:32	--	Notice(GitHub195): haskell-ide-engine/master fbdc1ca Luke Lau: Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine into code-action-plugin
2018-07-24 23:46:00	lukelau	It’s amazing how much I can hate code that I wrote 3 weeks ago
2018-07-24 23:46:34	alanz	its because you are learning
2018-07-24 23:47:09	lukelau	And writing a lot of needless point-free trickery apparently
2018-07-24 23:47:13	alanz	But working code is good to have, and refactoring is easy in haskell
2018-07-24 23:47:35	alanz	For me the main purpose in writing is to my future self or other devs
2018-07-24 23:47:44	alanz	and I try to be kind, by keeping it simple
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2018-07-24 23:56:55	alanz	lukelau, something I spotted yesterday when playing with the rust language server: https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-rust/blob/master/lsp-rust.el#L123
2018-07-24 23:57:04	alanz	there is a thing called "window/progress"
2018-07-24 23:57:32	alanz	not in the spec though
2018-07-24 23:59:33	alanz	https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues/511
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2018-07-25 00:12:28	Gurkenglas	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/4f072846dfd530ac2b1aa0dff603a7e2ea65922a/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/LSP/CodeActions.hs#L49 never returns Nothing, should that Maybe go away?
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2018-07-25 00:36:10	Gurkenglas	Can I make it test https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/compare/master...Gurkenglas:patch-7 without submitting a PR?
2018-07-25 00:39:09	--	Notice(GitHub17): [haskell-ide-engine] Gurkenglas opened pull request #712: Update CodeActions.hs (master...patch-7) https://git.io/fNBrI
2018-07-25 01:06:21	Gurkenglas	How do I find where CodeAction is defined? :S
2018-07-25 01:07:33	wz1000	Gurkenglas: you have to sign up on CircleCI and enable it for your fork
2018-07-25 01:07:39	alanz	package haskell-lsp-types, I think
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2018-07-25 01:41:10	Gurkenglas	Are there lenses for J.Command?
2018-07-25 01:45:20	alanz	I think so. For pretty much everything in haskell-lsp-types
2018-07-25 01:54:57	Gurkenglas	(*looks down* oh man collectRequests really doesnt look right)
2018-07-25 01:55:07	Gurkenglas	(get it? right? right fold? ehem.)
2018-07-25 02:09:11	lukelau	Gurkenglas: you can always use hie to check if your edits will compile ;)
2018-07-25 02:10:46	Gurkenglas	lukelau, still can't get hie to build
2018-07-25 02:11:03	lukelau	Oh right yeah, forgot about that haha
2018-07-25 02:11:25	lukelau	Are you on 64 bit or 32 bit Windows?
2018-07-25 02:11:29	Gurkenglas	64
2018-07-25 02:11:48	lukelau	I’ve been able to build it on appveyor, I could try sending you the binary from it
2018-07-25 02:15:43	Gurkenglas	lukelau, sure if that way lay an IDE
2018-07-25 02:15:54	Gurkenglas	What should I do with such a binary to get an IDE?
2018-07-25 02:22:42	Gurkenglas	Should circleci be rebuilding everything every time? It ought to be able to notice noncompilation faster
2018-07-25 02:24:37	lukelau	Gurkenglas: The compilation isn’t too slow, its mainly bottlenecked by the tests + limit of 4 containers running at once
2018-07-25 02:24:52	lukelau	Althought with that said we don’t cache .stack-work I don’t think
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2018-07-25 02:34:51	lukelau	Gurkenglas: Are you editing that PR from the github web editor?
2018-07-25 02:35:01	Gurkenglas	lukelau, yes
2018-07-25 02:35:29	lukelau	Haha, was wondering why the commit messages were so vague
2018-07-25 02:36:08	Gurkenglas	How should I add safe as a dependency? Surely not by adding it as a line to 4 .yamls :s
2018-07-25 02:36:11	Gurkenglas	*5
2018-07-25 02:36:53	lukelau	Is it not in stackage?
2018-07-25 02:37:04	lukelau	You should be able to just add it to haskell-ide-engine.cabal
2018-07-25 02:37:24	alanz	Gurkenglas, how come you are not cloning the project to your machine and building it there?
2018-07-25 02:37:39	Gurkenglas	alanz, the realgcc thing, remember?
2018-07-25 02:37:40	alanz	(oops, it doesn't build)
2018-07-25 02:37:51	lukelau	Coding on the phone? haha
2018-07-25 02:38:16	lukelau	Although we could probably just write that fromJustNote function ourselves if that’s the only thing we need from the safe package
2018-07-25 02:38:25	Gurkenglas	lukelau, ah .cabal
2018-07-25 02:38:41	Gurkenglas	The point is that you can keep using more stuff from Safe :P
2018-07-25 02:38:56	Gurkenglas	And if adding dependencies is bad that sounds like something that should be fixed
2018-07-25 02:39:04	alanz	there is a gfromJust in HaRe or ghc-exactprint
2018-07-25 02:39:15	Gurkenglas	And would you have added HasCallStack to fromJustNote?
2018-07-25 02:39:16	alanz	which errors with the message if it gets a Nothing
2018-07-25 02:39:23	Gurkenglas	Ah, fine then.
2018-07-25 02:39:26	lukelau	I’m pretty bad myself for adding lots of dependency cruft
2018-07-25 02:39:46	alanz	Gurkenglas, for that PR, I personally find it quit hard to read
2018-07-25 02:39:59	alanz	And am much more comfortable with explicit pattern matching
2018-07-25 02:40:11	alanz	as a clearer way of seeing what is happening
2018-07-25 02:42:58	--	Notice(GitHub17): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fNB91
2018-07-25 02:42:58	--	Notice(GitHub17): haskell-ide-engine/master 4734d40 Luke Lau: Add appveyor CI build for windows...
2018-07-25 02:42:58	--	Notice(GitHub17): haskell-ide-engine/master e47f41f Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #711 from Bubba/appveyor...
2018-07-25 02:43:00	--	Notice(GitHub112): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #711: Add appveyor CI build for windows (master...appveyor) https://git.io/fNBCk
2018-07-25 02:52:29	alanz	lukelau, I sent a mail to the haskell committee to see if they can enable appveyor
2018-07-25 02:52:45	alanz	It needs a billing account, I do not have the haskell one
2018-07-25 02:52:49	lukelau	Thanks
2018-07-25 02:53:01	alanz	and do not want to be on the hook if something odd happens at some future date
2018-07-25 02:53:04	lukelau	It should be free though right?
2018-07-25 02:53:19	alanz	yes
2018-07-25 02:53:34	lukelau	I wasn’t asked for any billing information although I presume its different for github orgs
2018-07-25 02:54:05	lukelau	Lets hope we don’t rack up a huge bill with those long stack builds
2018-07-25 02:56:49	alanz	no, its just an admin thing
2018-07-25 02:57:17	alanz	but I would rather it is done by the right organisation, I don't have the right permissions to do it
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2018-07-25 04:09:23	Gurkenglas	Can I tell circleci not to bother with a particular commit?
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2018-07-25 05:56:41	Gurkenglas	lukelau, status on that binary?
2018-07-25 06:01:52	lukelau	Gurkenglas: you’re just in time
2018-07-25 06:02:06	lukelau	https://ci.appveyor.com/api/buildjobs/w8gy7a3s67fftlt1/artifacts/.stack-work%2Finstall%2Fd1e81147%2Fbin%2Fhie.exe
2018-07-25 06:03:48	Gurkenglas	Thanks! What do I do with this?
2018-07-25 06:04:26	Gurkenglas	Follow one of these, right? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#editor-integration
2018-07-25 06:04:35	Gurkenglas	Which would you recommend?
2018-07-25 06:06:38	Gurkenglas	I'll try VS Code.
2018-07-25 06:08:18	lukelau	VS Code is kind of the flagship lsp client
2018-07-25 06:08:35	lukelau	Drop in the hie executable somewhere in your path
2018-07-25 06:08:49	lukelau	And then install the vs code extension
2018-07-25 06:09:03	lukelau	This will only work on 8.4.3 projects though
2018-07-25 06:09:06	lukelau	Which hie is
2018-07-25 06:09:31	lukelau	For multiple versions you need to use hie-wrapper
2018-07-25 06:22:58	Gurkenglas	lukelau, VS Code says "The Haskell HIE (Haskell) server crashed 5 times in the last 3 minutes. The server will not be restarted."
2018-07-25 06:24:27	lukelau	What do you get when you run hie from the command line?
2018-07-25 06:24:41	lukelau	Also check $TMPDIR/hie.log
2018-07-25 06:26:00	Gurkenglas	lukelau, https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/b78e37561ea0cc536823cba56b29e45d sounds like it wants a ghc on path, I usually just use stack
2018-07-25 06:26:29	Gurkenglas	What commands do I execute to fix this?
2018-07-25 06:26:37	lukelau	Run it from your project directory
2018-07-25 06:27:09	Gurkenglas	lukelau, the .hs file I tried to open is not in a project
2018-07-25 06:27:38	lukelau	Oh then you will need ghc
2018-07-25 06:27:45	lukelau	stack builds require a stack.yaml
2018-07-25 06:27:59	Gurkenglas	"stack install ghc"?
2018-07-25 06:28:27	Gurkenglas	*lukelau
2018-07-25 06:28:28	lukelau	I’m not sure how its installed on windows
2018-07-25 06:28:41	lukelau	Probably best to install the haskell platform from haskell.org
2018-07-25 06:28:46	Gurkenglas	Would that be the correct command on Linux?
2018-07-25 06:31:13	lukelau	I don’t think so
2018-07-25 06:32:30	Gurkenglas	lukelau, but sometimes I use .hs files with a stack shebang at the top, won't those be incompatible with the ghc thing?
2018-07-25 06:33:15	lukelau	ghc and stack can coexist together
2018-07-25 06:33:29	lukelau	As long as your shebang is something like #stack exec
2018-07-25 06:35:05	Gurkenglas	Even in a stack project F12 doesn't seem to go to definition, is there some canonical way to check whether hie is doing anything?
2018-07-25 06:35:24	Gurkenglas	(Crashed 5 times again.)
2018-07-25 06:36:23	lukelau	In a stack project you need to build it first
2018-07-25 06:36:30	lukelau	From the command line
2018-07-25 06:36:39	lukelau	Before hie will be able to pick it up
2018-07-25 06:37:04	Gurkenglas	But then its no better than intero :( wasn't it supposed to be getting abstract syntax trees for programs that parse but not compile?
2018-07-25 06:40:01	lukelau	It typechecks it, but doesn’t compile
2018-07-25 06:40:11	lukelau	It doesn’t need to be compiled fully btw
2018-07-25 06:40:20	lukelau	Just stack build --configure-only
2018-07-25 06:40:50	Gurkenglas	that sounds redeeming
2018-07-25 06:40:56	lukelau	Although if your project doesn’t work from the command line, it won’t work in hie
2018-07-25 06:41:10	lukelau	It’s good but its not that good!
2018-07-25 06:41:30	lukelau	It might display diagnostics etc
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2018-07-25 14:33:55	wz1000	bgamari: ping
2018-07-25 15:02:17	alanz	lukelau, I think we need two different types, one for a command name before being wrapped via the BM, and one for after. And the plugins should present the wrapped one, and wrapCodeAction should invoke the BM on it to send the other one
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2018-07-25 18:02:20	bgamari	wz1000, pong
2018-07-25 18:05:26	wz1000	bgamari: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1QlN9qI_i9GcMnUdVw0UvzzV7IYVzejQA
2018-07-25 18:05:49	wz1000	so I'm havingn a bit of trouble due to this line: https://github.com/ghc/ghc/blob/master/compiler/typecheck/TcBinds.hs#L694
2018-07-25 18:06:37	wz1000	bgamari: try hovering over the `fib` in `fib 0 = 0`
2018-07-25 18:07:12	wz1000	The typechecker generates a new name when typechecking local bindings
2018-07-25 18:08:07	bgamari	hmm
2018-07-25 18:09:47	bgamari	I'll admit, I'm rather confused by what is going on here
2018-07-25 18:11:08	wz1000	bgamari: take a look at this: https://pastebin.com/GntPr2ZK some fib occurences are fib{v aVE}, and others are fib{v a1g1}
2018-07-25 18:11:32	bgamari	wz1000, right, I just don't see why only the *first* match gets the new name 
2018-07-25 18:12:24	wz1000	bgamari: Oh, thats because in the HieAST, I store all the identifiers, but when rendering it for haddock, I choose one to link with Map.findMin
2018-07-25 18:13:06	wz1000	so that bit is non deterministic
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2018-07-25 18:14:17	bgamari	wz1000, so really each of these binders have a different Name?
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2018-07-25 18:15:09	wz1000	bgamari: there are two distinct names
2018-07-25 18:15:35	bgamari	right, looking at the dump you sent I now see that
2018-07-25 18:15:40	bgamari	so my question is: why only two?
2018-07-25 18:16:03	wz1000	bgamari: because that line in TcBinds only introduces one extra name
2018-07-25 18:16:34	wz1000	bgamari: also, in the rhs of the function, only the original name generated by the renamer is used
2018-07-25 18:18:03	bgamari	but my question is why is that new name used only in the first match?
2018-07-25 18:19:07	 *	bgamari reads some implementation
2018-07-25 18:19:10	wz1000	bgamari: the first match span coincides with the fun_name as well as the mc_fun in the MatchContext
2018-07-25 18:19:30	bgamari	hmm
2018-07-25 18:19:31	Gurkenglas	<lukelau> Also check $TMPDIR/hie.log <- echo %PATH% gives me my path, but echo %TMPDIR% gives me %TMPDIR%
2018-07-25 18:19:34	wz1000	bgamari: the other matches only coincide with the MatchContext name
2018-07-25 18:20:26	wz1000	bgamari: and the match context name isn't changed by the typechecker
2018-07-25 18:20:51	wz1000	only the fun_id is
2018-07-25 18:21:35	bgamari	hmm
2018-07-25 18:21:43	Gurkenglas	VS Code gives me "The Haskell HIE (Haskell) server crashed 5 times in the last 3 minutes. The server will not be restarted.". What should I do? (I just installed the newest Haskell Platform and restarted, didn't help; the command line now understands when I type "ghc")
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2018-07-25 18:22:15	bgamari	alanz, ^
2018-07-25 18:24:49	bgamari	wz1000, by "fun_name" do you mean the fun_id field of FunBind?
2018-07-25 18:24:58	wz1000	bgamari: yes
2018-07-25 18:25:07	bgamari	so I'm a bit confused
2018-07-25 18:25:22	bgamari	tcPolyCheck constructs the final FunBind using mono_id
2018-07-25 18:25:28	wz1000	yes
2018-07-25 18:25:41	bgamari	and it passes mono_id to tcMatchesFun as well
2018-07-25 18:25:53	bgamari	which tcMatchesFun uses to construct a FunRhs MatchContext
2018-07-25 18:26:19	bgamari	so it looks like these two should be in sync, no?
2018-07-25 18:27:21	wz1000	looks like they are in the dumped AST
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2018-07-25 18:28:05	wz1000	bgamari: but either way, the fib in the rhs of the function is the original renamer one
2018-07-25 18:28:23	wz1000	so ignoring the renamed AST won't solve our issue
2018-07-25 18:29:03	wz1000	bgamari: I still can't figure out how ghc knows the two names are the same thing
2018-07-25 18:29:10	Gurkenglas	lukelau, my %TEMP% contains no hie.log
2018-07-25 18:31:30	wz1000	bgamari: how does it resolve the name in the recursive call?
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2018-07-25 18:36:45	wz1000	bgamari: ok, I think I can use the ABE in the export to tie those together
2018-07-25 18:39:32	wz1000	bgamari: btw, the rest is working pretty well, https://drive.google.com/open?id=1PP3mV8Gc2MSAFybC9f9rVFBS6wLqDki1 if you'd like to take a look
2018-07-25 18:40:24	 *	bgamari is on a call for at least the next few minutes
2018-07-25 18:42:11	alanz	wz1000, btw, did you see that haskell-cafe thread on getting info out of hackage/cabal? it struck me your .hie files might help
2018-07-25 18:42:41	alanz	"Ingegrate GHC-API with Cabal"
2018-07-25 18:45:35	Gurkenglas	alanz, status on the example? Also the hie windows binary lukelau gave me makes VS Code tell me "The Haskell HIE (Haskell) server crashed 5 times in the last 3 minutes. The server will not be restarted.", can I get additional logs about this somewhere?
2018-07-25 18:46:45	alanz	Gurkenglas, I really dont think installing a binary when you can't build stack stuff on your box is going to be useful
2018-07-25 18:47:33	alanz	the point of hie is to build things (to get info out). So if the base box can't do that, then the random binary is not going to magically do it
2018-07-25 18:48:10	alanz	So best to talk to someone who knows haskell on windows, and work out what the problem is. And installing the haskell platform is not likely to help things with stack
2018-07-25 18:48:11	Gurkenglas	stack install often works, and afair always works when I wrote the thing myself
2018-07-25 18:48:46	Gurkenglas	I've earlier heard that Haskell Platform was stupider than and stupid with stack, but nowadays Haskell Platform includes stack
2018-07-25 18:48:58	bgamari	wz1000, back
2018-07-25 18:49:12	alanz	well, something is different about your machine compared to other people. Are you using some different version of windows, or some other subsystem?
2018-07-25 18:49:15	Gurkenglas	The "The Haskell HIE (Haskell) server crashed 5 times in the last 3 minutes. The server will not be restarted." was not in fact impacted by installing Haskell Platform
2018-07-25 18:49:27	wz1000	bgamari: I figured out that I can use ABExport to tie the two names together
2018-07-25 18:49:31	Gurkenglas	Windows 10 Home 64 bit
2018-07-25 18:49:47	Gurkenglas	How would I figure out the relevant difference if ther eis one?
2018-07-25 18:49:48	alanz	well, all that means is that vscode was unable to start the server, which could mean anything
2018-07-25 18:50:04	wz1000	bgamari: So I figure I'm going to replace every occurence of the mono_name with the poly_name
2018-07-25 18:50:41	wz1000	abe_poly and abe_mono in ABExport
2018-07-25 18:50:42	bgamari	sounds plausible
2018-07-25 18:50:51	Gurkenglas	alanz, right, does hie have any death screams I could read somewher?
2018-07-25 18:51:26	alanz	well, the normal (linux) one puts logs in /tmp/hie.log, and/or /tmp/hie-wrapper.log
2018-07-25 18:52:13	alanz	and hie needs to be on your path. ditto cabal
2018-07-25 18:52:38	alanz	so if you open a terminal, you should be able to run "hie --version" and "cabal --version"
2018-07-25 18:56:33	Gurkenglas	alanz, C:\Users\Gurkenglas\AppData\Local\Temp contains no hie.log but many other temp files
2018-07-25 18:57:18	--	Notice(GitHub12): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #715: Improve backwards compatible code actions (master...code-action-edit-and-command) https://git.io/fNRDF
2018-07-25 18:57:28	alanz	Gurkenglas, I last used windows 20 years ago. And have never looked back. You will have to ask someone else for help
2018-07-25 18:58:00	lukelau	Gurkenglas: Sorry for the late reply, I also forgot you can just specify the location you want the logs at with the -l flag
2018-07-25 18:58:09	Gurkenglas	lukelau, where do I put that flag?
2018-07-25 18:58:23	lukelau	In the command line
2018-07-25 18:58:34	lukelau	I’m not sure how you do this with the vscode extension
2018-07-25 18:58:36	Gurkenglas	(hie --version and cabal --version work)
2018-07-25 18:58:47	Gurkenglas	lukelau, to what command?
2018-07-25 18:59:08	lukelau	But for me with vim, my config for the language client looks like “hie -d -l /tmp/hie.log”
2018-07-25 18:59:48	Gurkenglas	Do you add that "-l" in some config file?
2018-07-25 19:00:11	lukelau	In my .vimrc, but again not sure how it works in the vscode extension
2018-07-25 19:00:54	alanz	Gurkenglas, find where the plugin is installed on your machine, and look for this file: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/hie-vscode.bat
2018-07-25 19:01:22	alanz	and it looks like you need to have hie-wrapper.
2018-07-25 19:01:26	lukelau	alanz: I’m thinking we should probably mirror the hslogger logs in the lsp logs
2018-07-25 19:01:34	lukelau	Or stderr
2018-07-25 19:01:36	alanz	(in a pinch you can rename hie to hie-wrapper)
2018-07-25 19:01:43	lukelau	Which then goes to the same logging window in vscode
2018-07-25 19:01:58	alanz	which only helps if it actually launches
2018-07-25 19:02:20	alanz	but at the end of the day Gurkenglas needs to get a handle on the actual problem
2018-07-25 19:02:20	Gurkenglas	(Weird, "Haskell Language Server
2018-07-25 19:02:20	Gurkenglas	"'s "Contributions" doesn't even seem to list anything that looks like a "Go To Definition" command)
2018-07-25 19:03:03	alanz	it is built in. With the vim bindings it is ctrl-]
2018-07-25 19:03:46	lukelau	I think we contribute like a case-split command right?
2018-07-25 19:04:27	Gurkenglas	Should there be a setting like "languageServerHaskell.hieExecutablePath" that lets me specify the command line command by which hie is called?
2018-07-25 19:05:15	Gurkenglas	(question pertains to vscode-hie-server)
2018-07-25 19:08:03	Gurkenglas	alanz, how do you know vscode-hie-server logs to tmp/hie.log at all? on https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/238abfbc5c873edc2c52e5f07bbf44776f5f902c/hie-vscode.sh , that seems to be commented out
2018-07-25 19:08:25	alanz	Gurkenglas, look at the preferences in vscode, there is a haskell lsp server section, where you can set that stuff
2018-07-25 19:09:00	alanz	it is set in the plugin now, I think. It does happen on linux, I tail that log to check stuff
2018-07-25 19:09:15	Gurkenglas	Ooh, more setting description than in Contributions
2018-07-25 19:11:56	alanz	lukelau, did you see my comment about the command bimap, earlier today?
2018-07-25 19:12:08	lukelau	Yeah, I think thats the next part to tackle
2018-07-25 19:12:34	alanz	thanks, it makes it clearer for plugin writers, I think
2018-07-25 19:12:35	Gurkenglas	alanz, which haskell lsp server preference lets me set flags like -l?
2018-07-25 19:12:52	alanz	setting the logging to verbose will do that.
2018-07-25 19:13:04	alanz	or messages, whatever the option is. Hold on
2018-07-25 19:13:18	Gurkenglas	Ah, trace the communication between VSCode and this service
2018-07-25 19:13:22	lukelau	I was wondering though why not just have one type where the other is its raw string
2018-07-25 19:13:45	alanz	languageServerHaskell.trace.server
2018-07-25 19:13:55	alanz	set it to either messages or verbose
2018-07-25 19:13:55	Gurkenglas	But that would just enable logging, not set the path for it. Though I suppose since it wasn't previously set it might pop up in the folder with the temp files
2018-07-25 19:14:23	alanz	It should use the temp file. Look at the plugin source to be sure
2018-07-25 19:15:02	Gurkenglas	"The languageServerHaskell.trace.server parameter now affects /tmp/hie.log, as well as ghc-mod --vomit output." looks like
2018-07-25 19:15:18	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/src/extension.ts#L156
2018-07-25 19:15:39	alanz	vomit turns on the vomit output + hie log, messages is just the debug log
2018-07-25 19:15:57	alanz	verbose, I mean
2018-07-25 19:16:16	alanz	Gurkenglas, that means you are getting a log?
2018-07-25 19:16:51	Gurkenglas	That line meant I "checked the source" and found that changelog entry which made me think you have the same opinions as that entry's author :P
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2018-07-25 19:17:44	Gurkenglas	(still no hie.log :()
2018-07-25 19:19:24	--	Notice(GitHub107): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #716: Add artifacts to appveyor (master...appveyor-artifacts) https://git.io/fNRHC
2018-07-25 19:19:28	Gurkenglas	Are vhs and vscode two processes? Perhaps I can find something like wireshark that monitors their communication...
2018-07-25 19:19:57	Gurkenglas	Should GitHub107 report vscode-hie-server PRs?
2018-07-25 19:22:19	alanz	Gurkenglas, I don't know
2018-07-25 19:22:54	alanz	lukelau, can we run a test session against a specific LSP protocol version?
2018-07-25 19:23:14	lukelau	No, just specific client capabilities
2018-07-25 19:23:15	alanz	i.e. with the client being 3.8, or 3.3, or whatever
2018-07-25 19:23:33	alanz	how do those get set when running the test?
2018-07-25 19:23:36	lukelau	Although we could have presets of client capabilities for specification conformance
2018-07-25 19:23:46	alanz	that would be great
2018-07-25 19:23:51	lukelau	I.e. a preset for full 3.8 conformance, a preset for full 3.3 conformance
2018-07-25 19:23:57	alanz	yes
2018-07-25 19:24:20	lukelau	At the moment there’s a config setting for the client capabilities it should send in the initialisation request
2018-07-25 19:25:00	lukelau	Some of those code action tests declare the new code action capability 
2018-07-25 19:25:01	alanz	And I see  https://github.com/Bubba/haskell-ide-engine/blob/ad1fae71ad0c41eecdc0fb47529be623f8e30416/test/functional/CodeActionsSpec.hs#L92 does it the different way
2018-07-25 19:25:09	alanz	yes
2018-07-25 19:25:35	alanz	The tests are a crucial part of the documentation, it should be as clear as possible what is happening
2018-07-25 19:25:55	lukelau	Definitely
2018-07-25 19:25:59	alanz	So it should probably always run with a config, or a protocol level parameter
2018-07-25 19:26:17	lukelau	runSessionWithConfig should probably just become runSession
2018-07-25 19:26:17	alanz	rather than default to something, and have a means to override it
2018-07-25 19:26:23	alanz	agree
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2018-07-25 19:26:49	lukelau	Or the capabilities shouldn’t be a config but rather a mandatory parameter
2018-07-25 19:27:57	alanz	that would be best
2018-07-25 19:28:20	alanz	because then there can be separate config, which does stuff like whether there is logging, timeouts, whatever
2018-07-25 19:28:41	alanz	and it clearly documents what the test is doing
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2018-07-25 19:31:41	lukelau	Speaking of cababilities, should we maybe add lenses for https://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp-types-0.4.0.0/docs/Language-Haskell-LSP-TH-ClientCapabilities.html
2018-07-25 19:31:45	alanz	Gurkenglas, here is the WIP on my example plugin: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/example-plugin
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2018-07-25 19:32:08	alanz	lukelau, I think if we have lenses anywhere in that package we should have them everywhere
2018-07-25 19:32:11	lukelau	Pattern matching these huge data types isn’t quite fun
2018-07-25 19:32:48	alanz	You know you can do ( Foo { fieldx = fieldx_var })
2018-07-25 19:33:04	alanz	to match on specific fields, without needing lenses
2018-07-25 19:33:31	 *	Gurkenglas votes lenses everywhere
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2018-07-25 19:34:33	lukelau	alanz: wait to get out the variable fieldx into fielx_var?
2018-07-25 19:34:44	alanz	yes
2018-07-25 19:35:22	alanz	so you have data Foo = Foo { fieldx :: Int, fieldy :: Int, ...}
2018-07-25 19:35:31	alanz	then you can pull out a subset like that
2018-07-25 19:36:51	 *	alanz not in favour of point-free, nor the error messages you can get from lenses
2018-07-25 19:37:24	lukelau	I’m trying this out in ghci
2018-07-25 19:38:29	lukelau	Prelude> data Foo = Foo { bar :: Int }
2018-07-25 19:38:29	lukelau	Prelude> x = Foo 3
2018-07-25 19:38:30	lukelau	Prelude> x { bar = y }
2018-07-25 19:38:31	lukelau	<interactive>:3:11: error: Variable not in scope: y :: Int
2018-07-25 19:40:24	wz1000	lukelau: > Foo{bar = y} = x
2018-07-25 19:41:59	lukelau	Damn
2018-07-25 19:42:14	lukelau	How come I haven’t heard of this before
2018-07-25 19:43:09	wz1000	if you enable ViewPattern, you can also do
2018-07-25 19:43:16	wz1000	> (bar -> y) = x
2018-07-25 19:43:25	wz1000	*ViewPatterns
2018-07-25 19:44:14	wz1000	but that doesn't work with multiple fields
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2018-07-25 19:53:56	lukelau	wz1000: neat
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2018-07-25 20:49:45	lukelau	alanz: Looks like I got shot in the foot by the command identifier already
2018-07-25 20:49:59	lukelau	That PR should be fixed now
2018-07-25 20:50:22	alanz	good to test stuff :)
2018-07-25 20:51:16	lukelau	Also who came up with this gem in the LSP spec? Command.command: “The identifier of the actual command handler”
2018-07-25 20:51:22	lukelau	Why not just call it identifier
2018-07-25 20:52:53	lukelau	https://github.com/Bubba/haskell-ide-engine/blob/ce940911b52f6a7f36f51f4e242931b26cd3565f/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/LSP/CodeActions.hs#L75-L78 reads like a tongue twister
2018-07-25 21:03:51	alanz	lukelau, also, this is a terrible constructor name: CommandOrCodeActionCodeAction
2018-07-25 21:03:58	alanz	and its companion.
2018-07-25 21:03:59	lukelau	Agreed
2018-07-25 21:04:36	alanz	We should rather call them something with a simple prefix, ending CodeAction, or Command
2018-07-25 21:04:49	alanz	so CocCommand, CocCodeAction
2018-07-25 21:04:59	alanz	or somthing like that
2018-07-25 21:06:10	lukelau	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/issues/103
2018-07-25 21:06:11	alanz	lukelau, can't you just fmap over that? If the command name had a specific type
2018-07-25 21:06:36	lukelau	fmap over what?
2018-07-25 21:06:59	alanz	the tongue twister where you look up the commandMap thing
2018-07-25 21:07:16	alanz	mapActionCommand
2018-07-25 21:07:34	alanz	if we had a type for the unmapped command, and another one for the mapped command
2018-07-25 21:08:22	alanz	then you just fmap the changeover function. I think.
2018-07-25 21:08:24	lukelau	Oh sorry I see what you mean
2018-07-25 21:09:39	lukelau	I’m also thinking how what the API should look like for plugins exposing commands
2018-07-25 21:10:21	lukelau	We want it to be typed right? Instead of just returning a homogenous list of PluginCommands separated by strings
2018-07-25 21:10:28	lukelau	*differentiated
2018-07-25 21:11:30	alanz	yes
2018-07-25 21:16:42	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/Bubba/0e7e0fd5cb030afc80f93ca55f9c18c3
2018-07-25 21:17:35	lukelau	And then some sort of data Plugin = Plugin { commands :: forall a. Command a => [a] }?
2018-07-25 21:17:54	alanz	I think a class is probably overkill at this point
2018-07-25 21:19:51	alanz	where all can commands come from? code actions?
2018-07-25 21:20:17	alanz	and/or hard coded into clients, but I think those should be deprecated as non-portable
2018-07-25 21:20:44	lukelau	what do you mean come from
2018-07-25 21:20:47	alanz	So a plugin should return a list of the commands it exposes, just as their names. To start with
2018-07-25 21:20:49	lukelau	Like as in be declared?
2018-07-25 21:20:52	alanz	yes
2018-07-25 21:21:37	lukelau	I think the plugin commands are interwoven into the lsp commands, so just whatever PluginDescriptor exposes
2018-07-25 21:21:59	alanz	And fundamentally they are the PluginCommand values the plugin exposes
2018-07-25 21:22:17	lukelau	Yes
2018-07-25 21:23:10	alanz	So maybe we should just register those?
2018-07-25 21:23:25	lukelau	Yeah, thats what I’m thinking instead of hardcoding them
2018-07-25 21:23:36	lukelau	But theres a load of commands that I don’t think have any use in LSP
2018-07-25 21:23:53	alanz	such as?
2018-07-25 21:23:55	lukelau	Like a lot of the ghcmod commands for check, lint etc. seem to be for the json implementation
2018-07-25 21:24:14	alanz	well, perhaps we can expose a list of them for external use?
2018-07-25 21:24:18	alanz	as a subset
2018-07-25 21:24:27	alanz	or tag them as being external
2018-07-25 21:26:02	lukelau	Yeah
2018-07-25 21:26:15	lukelau	I’m actually kind of confused now about some of these commands
2018-07-25 21:26:26	lukelau	Do the external commands all return workspaceedits?
2018-07-25 21:26:57	alanz	well, they are anything that can be returned from vscode as a code action
2018-07-25 21:27:08	alanz	so they have whatever constraints those have
2018-07-25 21:28:07	lukelau	I think the client just ignores the return repsonse of any codeactionrequest
2018-07-25 21:28:40	lukelau	But some of these commands (CmdSync) return a workspaceedit which I presume lspstdio picks up and sends to the client
2018-07-25 21:28:59	alanz	The best is to deal with specific cases as you come across them.
2018-07-25 21:29:22	alanz	Right now we have a basic framework, and we need to register the commands, for vscode
2018-07-25 21:29:50	lukelau	Ok, I’ll just start off simple by getting rid of that hardcoded command map in LspStdio
2018-07-25 21:29:54	alanz	so we need to pull out the list of externally visible commands from all the plugins, run them through the map, and register them
2018-07-25 21:30:00	alanz	agree
2018-07-25 21:30:11	lukelau	We can worry about making it type safe after
2018-07-25 21:30:33	alanz	agree
2018-07-25 21:30:46	alanz	and we can do away with the map, it is just a prefix now?
2018-07-25 21:30:46	lukelau	And also for simplicity I don’t think there is any harm in registering those commands that will never get called e.g. ghcmod:lint
2018-07-25 21:30:52	alanz	agree
2018-07-25 21:30:56	lukelau	The map?
2018-07-25 21:31:16	alanz	yes. Because then we don't have to worry about lookup failure
2018-07-25 21:32:23	lukelau	Oh thats right, its pointless now given that all the commands are just prefixed with the PID
2018-07-25 21:32:40	lukelau	And then we can get rid of the Bimap dependency
2018-07-25 21:32:44	alanz	yes
2018-07-25 21:32:50	 *	alanz afk
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2018-07-25 22:40:26	Gurkenglas	Can I ask VS Code to execute "os.tmpdir()"?
2018-07-25 22:54:02	Gurkenglas	vscode-hie-server should allow me to set all of the flags for hie.exe execution
2018-07-25 22:56:06	Gurkenglas	Running hie in a directory containing Haskell projects and files gets me https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/64f2fbac5aa533fb414d5f694f5598ca (no errors), if that helps
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2018-07-25 23:21:14	Gurkenglas	Can I manually run hie to see whether it works? Is some editor particularly suited to troubleshooting situations like mine?
2018-07-25 23:37:30	--	Notice(GitHub20): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #716: Add artifacts to appveyor (master...appveyor-artifacts) https://git.io/fNRHC
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2018-07-25 23:37:32	--	Notice(GitHub192): haskell-ide-engine/master 2f1e371 Luke Lau: Add artifacts to appveyor
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2018-07-26 02:29:26	Gurkenglas	Has anyone managed to get a VS Code hie log file on Windows?
2018-07-26 02:54:21	Gurkenglas	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#using-hie-with-sublime-text
2018-07-26 02:54:32	Gurkenglas	"Make sure HIE is installed (see above) and that the directory stack put the hie binary in is in your path"
2018-07-26 02:54:39	Gurkenglas	"Make sure to change the command path to your hie"
2018-07-26 02:54:44	Gurkenglas	Why both?
2018-07-26 02:55:09	Gurkenglas	And what do I do if errors just dont seem to be underlined? <.<
2018-07-26 02:56:52	Gurkenglas	(and the other 2 features)
2018-07-26 02:57:16	Gurkenglas	LSP: Format Document isn't even in the Ctrl-Shift-P list
2018-07-26 02:57:58	Gurkenglas	Let's move on to yet another editor. Atom?
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2018-07-26 03:51:33	Gurkenglas	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#using-hie-with-atom <- where do I write "apm install language-haskell atom-ide-ui ide-haskell-hie"? Windows-R -> cmd doesn't know apm.
2018-07-26 03:56:04	Gurkenglas	(The Atom try runs me into problems already at the step where I try to install atom-ide-ui :DD)
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2018-07-26 05:48:54	Gurkenglas	Should I change anything about this addition to my .emacs file? https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/c748f70b66d2f9cfa3274f945aa65a57
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2018-07-26 10:30:25	Gurkenglas	alanz, is this better? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/712/files
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2018-07-26 15:14:58	wz1000	bgamari: ping
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2018-07-26 18:26:35	bgamari	wz1000, pong
2018-07-26 18:35:02	wz1000	bgamari: do you know how to build haddock for ghc with working links for libraries?
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2018-07-27 00:55:05	lukelau	alanz: I’m getting a message from circleCI: “Your current usage represents 971% of your Bubba Linux plan's limit. Please upgrade in order to ensure no disruption in building.”
2018-07-27 00:56:05	alanz	oops
2018-07-27 00:56:26	alanz	I just found the problem with that cabal build too. Bad docker image, no ssh on it
2018-07-27 00:56:35	lukelau	Is there a way to turn off automatic building
2018-07-27 00:56:37	lukelau	No ssh?
2018-07-27 00:57:23	alanz	See the "checkout code" part of the build stuff, in  https://circleci.com/gh/Bubba/haskell-ide-engine/749?utm_campaign=vcs-integration-link&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=github-build-link
2018-07-27 00:57:42	alanz	"Either git or ssh (required by git to clone through SSH) is not installed in the image. Falling back to CircleCI's native git client but the behavior may be different from official git. If this is an issue, please use an image that has official git and ssh installed.
2018-07-27 00:57:42	alanz	Counting objects: 13124, done.
2018-07-27 00:57:43	alanz	Compressing objects: 100% (100/100), done.
2018-07-27 00:57:43	alanz	Total 13124 (delta 107), reused 206 (delta 94), pack-reused 12873"
2018-07-27 00:57:56	alanz	maybe both are missin
2018-07-27 00:57:56	alanz	g
2018-07-27 00:58:00	lukelau	Is that what’s causing it to use the old cached submodules
2018-07-27 00:58:20	alanz	well, it is not able to check out the submodules
2018-07-27 00:58:21	lukelau	Ignore the latest build, that was me trying out some cache busting thing
2018-07-27 00:58:36	alanz	I thought I was going crazy getting my example-plugin branch to pass
2018-07-27 00:58:48	alanz	https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/974
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2018-07-27 00:59:08	lukelau	Is the git submodule update --recursive --init step not working?
2018-07-27 00:59:26	lukelau	I thought it was failing because it was using the cached haskell-lsp
2018-07-27 00:59:30	lukelau	in the dist/ folder
2018-07-27 01:00:05	alanz	nope. And new-build doesn't use that folder
2018-07-27 01:00:34	alanz	btw, the way you are checkout out/updating the submodules is not the same for the cabal build as for the stack ones.
2018-07-27 01:00:44	alanz	See my branch, I brought it more into line
2018-07-27 01:01:54	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/blob/6a52bfbb180d95661e12a0721303d31ddc6bcd5d/.circleci/config.yml#L117
2018-07-27 01:02:51	lukelau	Awesome
2018-07-27 01:03:05	lukelau	So do we just need to install ssh in that image now?
2018-07-27 01:03:06	alanz	but with a bad docker base image its no good
2018-07-27 01:03:19	alanz	I actually think I have an image we can use
2018-07-27 01:04:06	alanz	nope
2018-07-27 01:05:11	alanz	I would suggest choosing one from here: https://quay.io/organization/haskell_works
2018-07-27 01:05:23	alanz	e.g. https://quay.io/repository/haskell_works/ghc-8.4.3
2018-07-27 01:05:32	alanz	then it is from the same source as the other
2018-07-27 01:06:05	alanz	I will add it to mine, I still have credit on circle :)
2018-07-27 01:06:45	lukelau	Ok, I’ll merge your branch into mine then after?
2018-07-27 01:07:45	alanz	may as well.
2018-07-27 01:08:15	lukelau	Or should after the tests pass on your circle though lol
2018-07-27 01:08:22	lukelau	*should we wait until
2018-07-27 01:08:38	alanz	yes
2018-07-27 01:09:29	lukelau	Or we can just move the PR to your fork
2018-07-27 01:09:33	alanz	if you prefer just bring the circleci file over
2018-07-27 01:10:03	alanz	because it struck me we need to have a way to disable the example, it pops spurious code actions everywhere
2018-07-27 01:10:09	alanz	so better to land yours first
2018-07-27 01:10:43	alanz	Here is the page to watch: https://circleci.com/workflow-run/a644db71-be8d-4fc5-aebd-4e44b22e1f9a
2018-07-27 01:10:43	lukelau	Ok, I’ll cherry pick some commits then
2018-07-27 01:11:03	alanz	rather just download it from my tree, when it works, into yours
2018-07-27 01:11:05	alanz	simplest
2018-07-27 01:11:29	alanz	no need to keep the history, ci kicks are a mess anyway
2018-07-27 01:11:53	lukelau	Yeah that’s better, just looking at the commit history now lol
2018-07-27 01:12:21	alanz	its always ugly when someone is fighting the CI fight
2018-07-27 01:12:35	lukelau	Everyone’s guilty of CI commits like “Fix tests” “Fix ci” “Fix tests” “fix travis.yml for real”
2018-07-27 01:13:12	alanz	its the only way to do it
2018-07-27 01:13:41	alanz	best practice seems to be to make a separate branch for ci fights, and then squash it down when done
2018-07-27 01:13:48	lukelau	H
2018-07-27 01:13:55	lukelau	*Thats a good idea
2018-07-27 01:14:12	lukelau	Also I saw this, didn’t try it out though https://circleci.com/docs/2.0/local-cli/
2018-07-27 01:14:52	alanz	gitlab also has a very good ci setup, and dxld uses it to be able to run the ghc-mod stuff locally or on gitlab
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2018-07-27 02:10:58	lukelau	alanz: Looks like that docker image is working! https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/989
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2018-07-27 02:11:22	alanz	I was just looking at it
2018-07-27 02:12:00	alanz	yay
2018-07-27 02:15:52	alanz	lukelau, we are missing zlib on that image, so not out of the woods yet
2018-07-27 02:16:11	alanz	But I think we can ask the hw guys to do it for us, perhaps
2018-07-27 02:16:20	lukelau	zlib? what package needs that
2018-07-27 02:16:20	alanz	then all the docker images come from the same place
2018-07-27 02:16:41	alanz	gitrev, it looks like. Or may be
2018-07-27 02:18:07	lukelau	Ok, should we send an email to them? What’s the best way to get in touch with them
2018-07-27 02:18:25	alanz	Ping newhoggy or alexeyraga on the ticker
2018-07-27 02:18:29	alanz	ticket
2018-07-27 02:19:06	alanz	I am rerunning with ssh, will see if we can just apt-get install it
2018-07-27 02:30:24	alanz	lukelau, I just did "apt-get update && apt-get install -y zlib1g-dev" on the box, and it is now buildin
2018-07-27 02:30:55	lukelau	Nice
2018-07-27 02:31:05	lukelau	Thanks for sorting all this out
2018-07-27 02:31:09	alanz	I will wait for it to finish, see if anything else is missing
2018-07-27 02:31:25	lukelau	Will do that now then
2018-07-27 02:31:47	alanz	and I have composed a mail to John Ky, who seems to be the maintainer for that image, which I will send when we know exactly what is needed
2018-07-27 02:31:58	alanz	but we can do it in the recipe so ling
2018-07-27 02:32:00	alanz	long
2018-07-27 02:33:09	lukelau	Should I run a circle CI build for my branch?
2018-07-27 02:34:43	alanz	I am waiting for this one to finish. Just hit an OOM on it, a bit disturbing
2018-07-27 02:34:48	alanz	may need to -j 1 it
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2018-07-27 02:38:58	alanz	lukelau, also, dxld released cabal-helper-0.8.1.0
2018-07-27 02:39:08	alanz	so we can start depending on that from hackage
2018-07-27 02:39:23	lukelau	Remove the submodule?
2018-07-27 02:39:27	alanz	But we should do that as a single step on master
2018-07-27 02:39:37	lukelau	Those memory limits are super annoying
2018-07-27 02:39:52	lukelau	But as far as I’m aware that circleCI container has 4GB
2018-07-27 02:39:58	alanz	So do a generic deps bump, I know there is a new version of lts-11, and lts-12
2018-07-27 02:40:02	lukelau	which is very disturbing, as you said
2018-07-27 02:40:21	alanz	I think it was building will all the cores, we normally limit it. Doing it by hand, remember
2018-07-27 02:40:46	alanz	but it is building hie now, so deps are good with that lib
2018-07-27 02:41:11	alanz	send the request, worst he can do is say no
2018-07-27 02:43:12	lukelau	Send what request?
2018-07-27 02:44:51	alanz	sent a mail to newhoggy, asking to add zlib1g-dev to that image
2018-07-27 02:45:04	lukelau	Oh ok, will do
2018-07-27 02:45:10	alanz	I just did
2018-07-27 02:45:45	lukelau	Woops misread that
2018-07-27 02:46:25	lukelau	Did the circleCI file change now that you added the zlib step
2018-07-27 02:47:18	alanz	yes, just pushed it to my branch
2018-07-27 02:47:30	alanz	The step needs its own name though
2018-07-27 02:48:01	alanz	and it seems you cant cancel a queued job on circle. As I only want the cabal one to build, actually
2018-07-27 02:48:58	lukelau	How come you only have one build running at a time?
2018-07-27 02:49:51	lukelau	Copied over .config.yml, added names to the steps
2018-07-27 02:50:14	alanz	its running lots of them, and they are all queued at the moment.
2018-07-27 02:50:30	alanz	https://circleci.com/workflow-run/cb9634f0-39df-4334-9ac7-4725c4aba304
2018-07-27 02:50:49	lukelau	They’re all queued though
2018-07-27 02:51:00	lukelau	Should it not be running 4 at once?
2018-07-27 02:51:27	alanz	yes, but it waits in between, I think their system, is under pressure.
2018-07-27 02:51:39	alanz	And it lets you wait if you have been hitting it hard
2018-07-27 02:51:48	alanz	BTW, did you see the bottom bit of this: https://circleci.com/workflow-run/cb9634f0-39df-4334-9ac7-4725c4aba304
2018-07-27 02:51:55	alanz	oops, wrong link, hold on
2018-07-27 02:52:10	alanz	https://haskellweekly.news/issues/117.html
2018-07-27 02:52:22	alanz	the hie windows tests thing is there
2018-07-27 02:52:29	alanz	but that is solved now?
2018-07-27 02:53:09	alanz	ah, no. Good
2018-07-27 02:53:10	lukelau	Nice, did you send that to them?
2018-07-27 02:53:21	alanz	nope, was about to ask you that
2018-07-27 02:53:53	lukelau	Thats very kind of them to give us a shout
2018-07-27 02:54:10	lukelau	The tests are failing though, its just the building thats working
2018-07-27 02:54:35	alanz	yes, I see that
2018-07-27 02:54:38	lukelau	Hm maybe its because I added the help wanted tag
2018-07-27 02:55:07	alanz	thats what I thought
2018-07-27 02:55:13	alanz	and people watch the hie repo
2018-07-27 02:55:35	lukelau	By the way I was thinking for the blog post we maybe walk through adding a source tool to hie as a plugin, and going through registering code actions and commands etc
2018-07-27 02:55:36	alanz	and the race is on to see which circle build gets to the new cabal first
2018-07-27 02:56:03	alanz	I agree, and/or base it on the eg2 plugin
2018-07-27 02:56:15	alanz	which I have been using as a way to get my head around the stuff
2018-07-27 02:56:21	lukelau	What is the eg2 plugin?
2018-07-27 02:56:35	alanz	Example2. The branch I am working on
2018-07-27 02:56:59	alanz	It currently exposes a code action to blindly add a CPP pragma to the top of a file
2018-07-27 02:57:05	alanz	which is always enabled
2018-07-27 02:58:00	alanz	and your builds are also pending.
2018-07-27 02:58:20	alanz	I am going to call it a night, will see what happened, in the morning
2018-07-27 02:58:29	lukelau	Ok, I’ll be spectating eagerly
2018-07-27 02:58:48	alanz	I'll be spectating in my sleep :)
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2018-07-27 12:10:18	--	Notice(GitHub54): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 12 new commits to master: https://git.io/fNuDl
2018-07-27 12:10:18	--	Notice(GitHub54): haskell-ide-engine/master 1b1cbbc Luke Lau: Add backward compatible workspaceedit + command code actions...
2018-07-27 12:10:18	--	Notice(GitHub54): haskell-ide-engine/master ad1fae7 Luke Lau: Bump haskell-lsp constraints
2018-07-27 12:10:18	--	Notice(GitHub54): haskell-ide-engine/master 79080f3 Luke Lau: Don't be lazy and add two proper tests for code action capability
2018-07-27 12:10:21	--	Notice(GitHub2): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #715: Improve backwards compatible code actions, simplify command mapping (master...code-action-edit-and-command) https://git.io/fNRDF
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2018-07-27 13:13:03	alanz	lukelau, I am working on bumping all the resolvers atm
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2018-07-27 14:17:07	--	Notice(GitHub47): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #718: Update resolvers where possible, new cabal-helper (master...bump-201807) https://git.io/fNudq
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2018-07-27 17:01:01	Gurkenglas-	Another plugin idea: A duplicate finder whose one parameter is the AST of a selection of libraries becomes a linter that produces suggestions like "use orM here".
2018-07-27 17:06:20	alanz	Gurkenglas-, I hope we are providing a platform for lots of different plugins
2018-07-27 17:07:22	--	Notice(GitHub137): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #718: Update resolvers where possible, new cabal-helper (master...bump-201807) https://git.io/fNudq
2018-07-27 17:07:23	--	Notice(GitHub141): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fNzfT
2018-07-27 17:07:23	--	Notice(GitHub141): haskell-ide-engine/master 4a54b75 Alan Zimmerman: Update resolvers where possible, new cabal-helper
2018-07-27 17:07:23	--	Notice(GitHub141): haskell-ide-engine/master fd1747b Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #718 from alanz/bump-201807...
2018-07-27 17:07:25	Gurkenglas-	Hmm, the realgcc problems might be from failing to execute "stack exec pacman -- -S make", I don't remember.
2018-07-27 17:08:04	Gurkenglas-	alanz: Is https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/712/files better?
2018-07-27 17:08:47	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/712/files#diff-2dbb78c670b4fb30bad942dd5e47cca0R3 already freaks me out
2018-07-27 17:09:06	alanz	And master has changed a lot in the meantime
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2018-07-27 17:55:16	--	Topic set by alanz (alanz@gateway/shell/firrre/x-hlvsyshveclrenlt) on Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:40:57
2018-07-27 17:55:16	--	Channel #haskell-ide-engine: 57 nicks (1 op, 0 voices, 56 normals)
2018-07-27 17:55:28	--	Channel created on Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:10:19
2018-07-27 18:01:07	Gurkenglas-	alanz, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/LSP/CodeActions.hs#L74 says "Just _". Should "C.textDocument . _Just . C.codeAction . _Just . C.codeActionLiteralSupport . _Just . C.codeActionKind . C.valueSet" be somehow checked against "action ^. C.kind"?
2018-07-27 18:02:46	alanz	what?
2018-07-27 18:07:35	Gurkenglas-	alanz: When the clientCapabilities are checked for whether they contain codeActionLiteralSupport, should the list of action kinds that is codeActionLiteralSupport also be checked for whether it contains the kind of the action?
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2018-07-27 19:28:51	Gurkenglas-	On another Windows machine, I've managed to install hie and lhs. Pressing F12 on return gives me "No definition found for 'return'" (which I had to copy manually because I cant select it :s). Same for stuff defined in the same file. What do I do?
2018-07-27 19:29:34	Gurkenglas-	(Executing hie via the command line in a directory that is not haskell-ide-engine gives me that it couldnt find ghc, could that have something to do with it?)
2018-07-27 19:32:16	Gurkenglas-	Maybe it's because F12 is provided by VS Code by default and I haven't managed to get hie running at all. The settings include hie things though, and it didnt complain on startup about a missing hie.exe.
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2018-07-27 20:35:19	Gurkenglas-	(alanz, by the way, tell me if I'm being annoying about the code or the setup difficulties or the trying to get into position to write a plugin)
2018-07-27 21:06:02	alanz	Gurkenglas-, you can see my work in progress on an example plugin here: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/example-plugin
2018-07-27 21:06:25	alanz	It adds a single command, always available, to add a CPP pragma to the top of the file
2018-07-27 21:06:35	alanz	I intend fleshing it out some more some time
2018-07-27 21:10:16	Gurkenglas-	alanz, https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/compare/master...alanz:example-plugin?expand=1 is there some way to see the relevant diffs?
2018-07-27 21:11:27	Gurkenglas-	hie works in some of the git clone --recursive folder :) just not elsewhere.
2018-07-27 21:11:45	Gurkenglas-	(in that folder)
2018-07-27 21:14:35	alanz	Gurkenglas-, hie does not install a ghc. So if your project specifies one via stack, then it will work, provided stack has installed the compiler.
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2018-07-28 04:08:37	Gurkenglas-	(Was anything said to me since my last line?)
2018-07-28 04:36:17	Gurkenglas-	On this machine I can get logs, so here are some: https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/f4cc4f512d13b68afabd66dafb43d956
2018-07-28 04:38:01	Gurkenglas-	I opened a ghc clone --recursive (which failed on a bunch of the subrepositories) with VS Code and hie installed (which already misbehaved on a git clone --recursive of hie (which didnt fail)), and went into Plugins.hs there and tried F12 on a bunch of identifiers around data Plugin
2018-07-28 04:38:17	Gurkenglas-	And eventually got "Got error while processing diagnostics: `gcc.exe' failed in phase `C pre-processor'. (Exit code: 1)"
2018-07-28 04:39:30	Gurkenglas-	When I went from the hie clone to the ghc clone it immediately died because it didnt have a ghc anymore, so I copied the 8.4.3 ghc into the same folder stack put hie into
2018-07-28 04:40:44	Gurkenglas-	...perhaps it also wants an installation of gcc to be available? Dangit maybe eventually I'll eventually get a Linux machine with root so I can just go the standard road.
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2018-07-28 19:23:28	lukelau	Gurkenglas: Did you use the -d flag for those logs?
2018-07-28 19:23:41	lukelau	It doesn’t seem to be logging any typechecking
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2018-07-28 23:24:00	Gurkenglas	Here's some verbose logs around an error VS Code passed to me https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/f3a27dea0e9c176cc0a7b33ddfaffd4a should that be troubleshot?
2018-07-28 23:24:14	Gurkenglas	"Got error while processing diagnostics: readCreateProcess: stack \"build\" \"--only-configure\" \".\" (exit 1): failed"
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2018-07-29 01:50:40	lukelau	Gurkenglas: That’s on hie, which you can’t build from the command line right?
2018-07-29 01:55:06	Gurkenglas	lukelau: I'm on another Windows machine for the next ~10 days and it built there
2018-07-29 01:56:22	lukelau	Ooh nice
2018-07-29 01:56:36	lukelau	So you were able to get `make build-all` working?
2018-07-29 01:56:47	Gurkenglas	yes
2018-07-29 01:57:19	lukelau	How has hie been working on other projects than hie itself?
2018-07-29 01:57:35	Gurkenglas	I think I didn't check the pacman install make thing at home, I should try that when I get back
2018-07-29 01:57:40	Gurkenglas	hasnt
2018-07-29 01:58:22	Gurkenglas	It complained about no ghc on path, then I put one there, then there were other problems that should be further up in the channel (not visible to me anymore)
2018-07-29 02:43:38	Gurkenglas	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/a2d33cd010206955c206ef8f4427da769f6a516c/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/Package.hs#L192 maps over 5 CondTrees, but https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/latest/docs/html/libraries/Cabal-2.2.0.1/Distribution-Types-GenericPackageDescription.html#t:GenericPackageDescription has 6
2018-07-29 02:44:53	Gurkenglas	lukelau: You wrote that, should the ForeignLib convTree also be mapped over?
2018-07-29 02:44:58	Gurkenglas	*CondTree
2018-07-29 02:46:02	Gurkenglas	lukelau: (my current state on editCabalPackage: https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/80d24705a531d3c91740cb59131a8c4e )
2018-07-29 02:48:10	Gurkenglas	(in diff form: https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/80d24705a531d3c91740cb59131a8c4e/revisions#diff-39859e34161f0cb6f5f50974282a2593 )
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2018-07-29 03:13:17	Gurkenglas	https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/80d24705a531d3c91740cb59131a8c4e
2018-07-29 03:13:43	Gurkenglas	(consider also buildInfos = template)
2018-07-29 03:16:25	Gurkenglas	By the way, "\s -> null s || any (`isPrefixOf` modFp) s" looks suspicious. lukelau, are you sure about that?
2018-07-29 03:33:16	lukelau	Gurkenglas: we can’t add cabal dependencies to a foreign library
2018-07-29 03:34:35	lukelau	Foreign libraries are like C libraries, although it wouldn’t hurt to leave a comment to point that out
2018-07-29 03:34:52	lukelau	I’m not actually sure what happens if you do add a dependency to a foreign lib
2018-07-29 03:35:04	lukelau	But it doesn’t make sense (to me anyway)
2018-07-29 03:36:06	lukelau	ifHasModule should be documented a lot better, sorry
2018-07-29 03:36:52	lukelau	Basically we want to apply the setter if we know that the build info compiles the specified module
2018-07-29 03:37:16	lukelau	So it checks to see if the module file path is a part of any of its source directories
2018-07-29 03:37:46	lukelau	But if doesn’t have a specified source directory there is still a chance that the module might be compiled hence the `null s`
2018-07-29 03:38:56	lukelau	That could definitely be refactored
2018-07-29 03:39:04	lukelau	It’s pretty confusing even for me to read
2018-07-29 03:42:30	Gurkenglas	Since you said ifHasModule I fear lukelau thinks he wrote https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/80d24705a531d3c91740cb59131a8c4e D:
2018-07-29 03:43:03	Gurkenglas	yours is mapIfHasModule https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/a2d33cd010206955c206ef8f4427da769f6a516c/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/Package.hs#L215
2018-07-29 03:54:55	Gurkenglas	Why isn't there MonadError IdeError IdeM?
2018-07-29 03:56:26	Gurkenglas	coz all the IdeResult wrapping seems unnecessary
2018-07-29 03:58:03	lukelau	Gurkenglas: That gist is your refactored version right?
2018-07-29 03:58:53	lukelau	ifHasModule wasn’t documented in the original either
2018-07-29 03:59:31	lukelau	The actual function ifHasModule, passing in a filepath and a setter, seems strange to me
2018-07-29 03:59:55	Gurkenglas	lukelau: The gist is the refactored version, yes. I fear confusion *again* because you say "either"
2018-07-29 04:00:19	Gurkenglas	lukelau: How so, compared to mapIfHasModule?
2018-07-29 04:00:52	Gurkenglas	(Well, passing in a FilePath and getting a Setter)
2018-07-29 04:01:40	lukelau	Ah I’m confused, I opened up the same gist twice and thought one version was mine and the other yours haha
2018-07-29 04:01:44	lukelau	My bad
2018-07-29 04:02:38	lukelau	Thats why it seems strange because it something that I would have never thought of writing, I’m not nearly proficient enough to know about passing about setters haha
2018-07-29 04:02:47	lukelau	Was wondering how I could have wrote that
2018-07-29 04:03:14	lukelau	Is that the entire editCabalPackage compressed down?
2018-07-29 04:11:49	lukelau	I see that passing the setter gets rid of the applyLens problem
2018-07-29 04:12:26	lukelau	Thats great, I was asking people in #haskell about how to circumvent it but found no good answer
2018-07-29 04:17:20	lukelau	Gurkenglas: is there a PR for that gist? 
2018-07-29 04:17:55	Gurkenglas	lukelau: no
2018-07-29 04:18:36	Gurkenglas	lukelau: Well it doesn't quite get rid of it, just contains it, g is pretty much applyLens
2018-07-29 04:19:08	Gurkenglas	Working on the rest of Package.hs :P
2018-07-29 04:31:29	lukelau	Looking forward to seeing it!
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2018-07-29 04:31:55	lukelau	I’m learning a lot about lenses from these refactorings haha
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2018-07-29 04:32:50	lukelau	alanz: Working on the command id refactor, created a `newtype commandid = commandid T.Text` and isomoprhic uniquecommandid
2018-07-29 04:33:04	lukelau	Is that somewhat what you had in mind?
2018-07-29 04:33:29	lukelau	Also do the command descriptions do anything in the lsp transport?
2018-07-29 04:33:57	lukelau	Gurkenglas: I’m learning a lot about lenses from these refactorings haha
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2018-07-29 04:53:52	Gurkenglas	Hmm ghc-mod keeps being off in its line numbers by 200
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2018-07-29 05:18:43	Gurkenglas	darn it the technology doesnt appear to be there yet to lead what I'
2018-07-29 05:18:54	Gurkenglas	m doing to codeActionProvider to its logical conclusion
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2018-07-29 05:59:53	Gurkenglas	Why is everything IdeM (IdeResult a) instead of ExceptT IdeError IdeM a?
2018-07-29 06:00:52	lukelau	Gurkenglas: To accomodate IdeResponse I believe
2018-07-29 06:01:37	lukelau	Which allows for deferred responses
2018-07-29 06:01:46	lukelau	When waiting for typechecked modules
2018-07-29 06:04:03	Gurkenglas	lukelau: Why would that be impossible if every IdeM (IdeResult a) became ExceptT IdeError IdeM a?
2018-07-29 06:10:58	Gurkenglas	"IdeGhcM (IdeResult a)" ~> "ExceptT IdeError IdeGhcM a", that is
2018-07-29 06:19:54	Gurkenglas	Oh hey you have IdeResultT already, no need for ExceptT :P
2018-07-29 06:20:55	Gurkenglas	You just never seem to use it anywhere
2018-07-29 06:21:10	Gurkenglas	...shouldnt weeder or something have told you about that? Perhaps this search function isnt working.
2018-07-29 06:21:54	Gurkenglas	Github agrees, huh
2018-07-29 06:22:07	Gurkenglas	Let's see what happens if I just start trying to refactor everything to use that.
2018-07-29 06:24:07	Gurkenglas	ehhhh i think ill use ExceptT instead since that has instances etc and doesnt reinvent the wheel
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2018-07-29 16:56:54	alanz	lukelau, I am not sure about the commandid, tbh
2018-07-29 16:57:09	alanz	but I think a start is to expose registration from the plugins
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2018-07-29 18:44:07	bgamari	wz1000, pong
2018-07-29 19:01:12	wz1000	bgamari: so, I want to pretty print Type as hyperlinked HTML
2018-07-29 19:01:28	wz1000	Currently, I'm pretty printing Types by going through IfaceType
2018-07-29 19:01:42	bgamari	sure
2018-07-29 19:01:53	wz1000	(actually, its Type -> HieType -> IfaceType)
2018-07-29 19:02:15	wz1000	so I would have to rewrite the entire pretty printer for Type?
2018-07-29 19:02:30	wz1000	Or is there a better way of doing this?
2018-07-29 19:03:35	bgamari	wz1000, What is wrong with continuing to use IfaceType?
2018-07-29 19:04:15	wz1000	how do I hyperlink Foo and Bar in Foo -> Bar if I use the pretty printer for IfaceType?
2018-07-29 19:05:32	bgamari	so OccNames don't have enough information?
2018-07-29 19:06:20	wz1000	They do, but I have IfaceType and the pretty printed String. How would I go about inserting the hyperlinks in the String?
2018-07-29 19:06:22	bgamari	actually, you even have full Names
2018-07-29 19:06:39	bgamari	wz1000, ahh, yes
2018-07-29 19:06:42	bgamari	I see
2018-07-29 19:06:45	bgamari	okay
2018-07-29 19:06:58	bgamari	yes, unfortunately I suspect this will require some repetition
2018-07-29 19:07:09	bgamari	we do have a plan for removing this repetition in the long run
2018-07-29 19:07:36	wz1000	so pretty much the entire pretty printing logic will have to be rewritten
2018-07-29 19:07:49	bgamari	see https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/8809
2018-07-29 19:08:04	bgamari	comment 3 in particular
2018-07-29 19:08:25	bgamari	essentially the idea is to use an annotated pretty-printer document
2018-07-29 19:08:36	bgamari	and inject Types and such as annotations
2018-07-29 19:08:45	bgamari	allowing downstream logic to decide how to format them
2018-07-29 19:09:10	bgamari	comment 77 also has some notes
2018-07-29 19:09:15	bgamari	Richard has a student looking at this
2018-07-29 19:09:32	bgamari	or rather, error messages more generally
2018-07-29 19:09:44	bgamari	but I don't know that they will make it to the annotated pretty-printer idea
2018-07-29 19:10:23	bgamari	although I suppose this actually isn't even necessary in your case
2018-07-29 19:10:34	bgamari	since you don't care to have hyperlinks in types appearing in errors
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2018-07-29 19:10:52	bgamari	so right, I think you will just need to write a new pretty-printer
2018-07-29 19:11:35	bgamari	thankfully the type language isn't huge
2018-07-29 19:11:47	wz1000	IfaceType is a bit more complicated
2018-07-29 19:12:24	wz1000	and the pretty printing stuff has loads of subtleties too
2018-07-29 19:12:39	bgamari	it's not trivial
2018-07-29 19:12:46	bgamari	but it's also not HsSyn
2018-07-29 19:13:22	wz1000	I've been changing HieType so that it resembles IfaceType more than Type
2018-07-29 19:13:36	wz1000	Currently, I don't deal with invisble arguments
2018-07-29 19:13:48	bgamari	just for a bit of context: we used to have both a Type and IfaceType pretty-printer
2018-07-29 19:13:59	bgamari	but we dropped the former to eliminate duplication
2018-07-29 19:14:11	bgamari	so now we always print IfaceTypes
2018-07-29 19:14:16	wz1000	so stuff like Proxy Int will be pretty printed as Proxy * Int 
2018-07-29 19:14:19	bgamari	so I think it would be good to follow that model
2018-07-29 19:14:25	bgamari	wz1000, right
2018-07-29 19:14:44	wz1000	yes, but I can't hyperlink the pretty printed IfaceType
2018-07-29 19:15:30	bgamari	right
2018-07-29 19:15:39	wz1000	bgamari: Also, do you have any ideas on how I would go about writing tests for the HieFile stuff?
2018-07-29 19:16:15	bgamari	but my point is that your html pretty-printer probably ought to start from IfaceType as well
2018-07-29 19:16:16	wz1000	I have sanity functions already, that do roundtripping, check if all identifiers occur in their calculated scopes as so on
2018-07-29 19:16:25	wz1000	ah, ok
2018-07-29 19:16:39	wz1000	s/as so on/and so on
2018-07-29 19:16:43	bgamari	wz1000, awesome; then I would just take some nontrivial programs
2018-07-29 19:17:00	bgamari	and run your sanity checker over them
2018-07-29 19:17:20	bgamari	or are you asking how one would do that?
2018-07-29 19:17:39	wz1000	no, I'm asking the kind of tests I should write
2018-07-29 19:18:26	bgamari	round-tripping is probably best
2018-07-29 19:18:46	bgamari	you could also in principle add the pretty-printed HieFile 
2018-07-29 19:18:59	bgamari	but that might be more fragile than necessary
2018-07-29 19:22:36	wz1000	bgamari: btw, did you see my email, about regular builds of hyperlinked-source?
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2018-07-29 19:46:28	bgamari	wz1000, when was it sent?
2018-07-29 19:51:20	wz1000	bga
2018-07-29 19:51:29	wz1000	bgamari: today
2018-07-29 19:51:41	wz1000	a few hours ago
2018-07-29 19:53:14	wz1000	the first one bounced because it had an 18mb targz attachment, so i forwarded it without the attachment 
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2018-07-29 20:54:42	Gurkenglas	The logs are mostly joins/parts, can someone filter those out?
2018-07-29 20:58:43	--	Notice(GitHub74): [haskell-ide-engine] srghma opened pull request #719: update Readme.md, neovim: add --lsp argument (master...patch-1) https://git.io/fN2vR
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2018-07-29 23:37:28	alanz	Something disturbing I have seen: the makefile does not always seem to install updated versions of stuff. And I think it is related to stack not rebuilding all the time
2018-07-29 23:37:49	alanz	Need to blow away .stack-work to be sure
2018-07-29 23:45:37	lukelau	alanz: I’m having a hard time figuring out how to encapsulate these command IDs
2018-07-29 23:47:03	lukelau	Currently plugins return plain LSP CodeAction objects which contain the command ID as a string, I’m not sure how I would incorporate our own command id type into this
2018-07-29 23:48:01	alanz	lukelau, I have been thinking about it a bit too, and not sure how to do it, and not sure how necessary it is.
2018-07-29 23:48:34	alanz	i.e. if we can define it in one place, which ties it to the command, and then use that as the registration, etc, then we should be ok
2018-07-29 23:50:41	alanz	so use it as some kind of encoding for the wire, logicall
2018-07-29 23:50:44	alanz	y
2018-07-29 23:51:04	lukelau	The registration problem has been resolved, the last PR started just pulling out the commands exposed by plugin descriptors to get rid of that hardcoded list
2018-07-29 23:51:44	alanz	great
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2018-07-29 23:52:23	alanz	I just made a change to hie-wrapper, because it didn't pick up the project version properly, as it did not look for the project dir
2018-07-29 23:52:34	alanz	but I need to fix the tests before making a PR
2018-07-29 23:52:36	lukelau	So are you saying to have a module where we just declare all of the command id strings once?
2018-07-29 23:52:59	lukelau	alanz: Does that fix https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/714?
2018-07-29 23:53:04	alanz	no, we declare them per plugin
2018-07-29 23:53:26	alanz	yes, pretty sure
2018-07-29 23:53:31	alanz	I hit the same problem
2018-07-29 23:53:31	lukelau	awesome
2018-07-29 23:54:23	lukelau	I’m not sure what you mean by ‘if we can define it in one place, which ties it to the command’
2018-07-29 23:55:03	alanz	hold on
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2018-07-29 23:57:36	alanz	lukelau, instead of this line: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/fd1747b08d7a55e59e3898c5944ee071e61968ad/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/ApplyRefact.hs#L295
2018-07-29 23:58:01	alanz	we should do something that makes use of https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/fd1747b08d7a55e59e3898c5944ee071e61968ad/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/ApplyRefact.hs#L41
2018-07-29 23:59:04	lukelau	Ok I gotcha now
2018-07-29 23:59:34	lukelau	We’ll need to be clear on the terminology between command names and command IDs
2018-07-29 23:59:46	lukelau	With the former being HIE-specific and the latter LSP
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2018-07-30 00:04:46	alanz	yes
2018-07-30 00:15:55	--	Notice(GitHub63): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #720: Use ghc-mod to find the project root for hie-wrapper (master...hie-wrapper-directory) https://git.io/fN2Ld
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2018-07-30 00:48:15	lukelau	alanz: I tried out using newtypes and then also classes, not sure which one suits better, thoughts? https://gist.github.com/Bubba/1213c9e54bb879ed2bd2bb1fd34d85d6
2018-07-30 00:48:22	lukelau	Or suits worse
2018-07-30 00:48:29	 *	alanz looking
2018-07-30 00:48:47	alanz	but without looking I think newtype over class
2018-07-30 00:49:03	lukelau	Yeah it seems simplest
2018-07-30 00:49:21	lukelau	Had to enable a ton of extensions for the latter to work
2018-07-30 00:51:23	alanz	lukelau, we need something that does PluginCommand -> LSP.Command
2018-07-30 00:51:32	alanz	with whatever extra params are needed
2018-07-30 00:52:29	alanz	perhaps. Thinking aloud
2018-07-30 00:53:03	lukelau	I think we can do that
2018-07-30 00:53:39	alanz	and the plugin name should come in from outside too, to match the name the plugin is registered under
2018-07-30 00:53:40	lukelau	That makes a lot of sense, means plugins won’t need to do unecessary LSP type gymnastics
2018-07-30 00:54:02	alanz	so "applyrefact" should be one of the params
2018-07-30 00:54:45	lukelau	We can make it a param in CommandName
2018-07-30 00:57:44	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/Bubba/1213c9e54bb879ed2bd2bb1fd34d85d6#file-a2-hs
2018-07-30 01:31:19	--	Notice(GitHub173): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fN2Yz
2018-07-30 01:31:19	--	Notice(GitHub173): haskell-ide-engine/master 563cd05 Alan Zimmerman: Use ghc-mod to find the project root for hie-wrapper...
2018-07-30 01:31:19	--	Notice(GitHub173): haskell-ide-engine/master e6c31e3 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #720 from alanz/hie-wrapper-directory...
2018-07-30 01:31:20	--	Notice(GitHub167): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #720: Use ghc-mod to find the project root for hie-wrapper (master...hie-wrapper-directory) https://git.io/fN2Ld
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2018-07-30 03:58:27	lukelau	alanz: Should the PluginCommand type be more tightly coupled with LSP commands? There’s a description field that doesn’t get used, but LSP commands have a title field instead
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2018-07-30 12:30:59	alanz	lukelau, that makes sense
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2018-07-30 15:43:56	lukelau	alanz: Would swapping those out affect the JSON transport?
2018-07-30 15:44:57	alanz	how?
2018-07-30 15:45:33	alanz	btw, I am playing with putting in a DiagnosticsProvider, for plugins
2018-07-30 15:45:50	alanz	(and will manage merging your stuff when you are done)
2018-07-30 15:46:06	lukelau	I think the title field will need to be a function since it can depend on the arguments
2018-07-30 15:46:25	lukelau	e.g. for some code actions it looks like “add x as a dependency”
2018-07-30 15:46:44	alanz	hmm.
2018-07-30 15:46:45	lukelau	But the IdePlugins type exports the id and description of each command
2018-07-30 15:46:52	lukelau	As JSON
2018-07-30 15:46:55	alanz	Maybe add that as an extra field then
2018-07-30 15:47:06	alanz	we can always merge them later, or drop one
2018-07-30 15:47:15	lukelau	Sounds good
2018-07-30 15:47:26	alanz	And I have a question mark on the JSON instances for the plugins
2018-07-30 15:47:30	lukelau	The diagnostics provider is a good idea as well
2018-07-30 15:47:34	lukelau	?
2018-07-30 15:47:45	alanz	as I think it is defectivem in that it only serialises part of the thing
2018-07-30 15:47:54	lukelau	Yeah, I think its used by Base.hs
2018-07-30 15:48:08	alanz	For IdePlugins, that is
2018-07-30 15:48:44	alanz	and I have a note to remove it, and put a targetted instance where it is *actually* needed
2018-07-30 15:49:43	lukelau	Is the long term plan then to add enough providers so that LSPStdio shouldn’t have to directly deal with any plugins?
2018-07-30 15:50:27	alanz	well, the plugins should be the major functionality providing poing
2018-07-30 15:50:29	alanz	point
2018-07-30 15:50:47	alanz	and it should be easy for people with an itch to scratch to just plug something in
2018-07-30 15:51:00	alanz	Which also means they should ideally be more configurable/dynamic
2018-07-30 15:51:11	alanz	which was part of the original goal
2018-07-30 15:51:46	alanz	e.g. if we are waiting for certain plugins to catch up for say GHC 8.6, it would be good to be able to put out a subset version
2018-07-30 15:52:13	alanz	But that is a more long term goal, as we start seeing more clearly how this thing should work.
2018-07-30 15:52:20	 *	alanz is an empiricist
2018-07-30 15:52:57	lukelau	Doing is the best way of learning
2018-07-30 15:53:58	alanz	I agree
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2018-07-30 16:36:36	lukelau	I’m having some trouble trying to add the title field since the argument type variable is a forall type https://gist.github.com/Bubba/cfd1b822d03ba722eb2881f8f72c5c98
2018-07-30 16:36:37	Gurkenglas	lukelau: Should https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/a2d33cd010206955c206ef8f4427da769f6a516c/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/Package.hs#L261 have two "drop"s?
2018-07-30 16:36:41	lukelau	Do you have any ideas?
2018-07-30 16:37:19	lukelau	Gurkenglas: those two quotes are different characters
2018-07-30 16:38:25	lukelau	Took me ages to notice it when working on it
2018-07-30 16:39:30	Gurkenglas	lukelau: No I mean first you drop all up to the first, then all up to the second, but don't you want to take up to the second?
2018-07-30 16:40:07	lukelau	dropWhileEnd drops in the other direction
2018-07-30 16:40:16	lukelau	So it drops all up to the first, and the drops all behind the second
2018-07-30 16:40:29	Gurkenglas	._.
2018-07-30 16:40:50	lukelau	Although if I have to explain this then it could definitely be rewritten
2018-07-30 16:41:02	Gurkenglas	I'm still building up that PR :P
2018-07-30 17:12:41	Gurkenglas	lukelau: Should https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blame/a2d33cd010206955c206ef8f4427da769f6a516c/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/Package.hs#L109 fail with IdeError but https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blame/a2d33cd010206955c206ef8f4427da769f6a516c/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/Package.hs#L111 with error?
2018-07-30 17:15:29	lukelau	ensureObject should throw an IdeError since its not a program error
2018-07-30 17:15:37	lukelau	Thanks for picking up on these
2018-07-30 17:15:46	Gurkenglas	The VS Code line numbers keep being mismatched with what ghc-mod says by a lot :(
2018-07-30 17:16:22	lukelau	Package.hs shouldn’t be related to the ghc-mod errors
2018-07-30 17:24:55	Gurkenglas	Right, I wasn't talking about Package.hs, I'm still annoyed every time I click on a "PROBLEMS" line to take me to a compiler error
2018-07-30 17:29:39	Gurkenglas	What did 'Got error while processing diagnostics: readCreateProcess: stack "build" "--only-configure" "." (exit 1): failed' mean again?
2018-07-30 17:31:36	Gurkenglas	Ah, it means "execute and read the output of 'stack "build" "--only-configure" "."'"
2018-07-30 17:48:52	Gurkenglas	lukelau: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blame/a2d33cd010206955c206ef8f4427da769f6a516c/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/Package.hs#L163 defaults to false, but https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blame/a2d33cd010206955c206ef8f4427da769f6a516c/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/Package.hs#L162 overrides that with defaulting to true. Which is intended?
2018-07-30 17:51:44	lukelau	I think true
2018-07-30 17:57:31	Gurkenglas	Same logic as in mapIfHasModule, I suppose
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2018-07-30 18:23:35	Gurkenglas	lukelau: Should https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blame/a2d33cd010206955c206ef8f4427da769f6a516c/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/Package.hs#L162 then also return True if sourceDirs is empty?
2018-07-30 18:24:46	Gurkenglas	lukelau: What do you think would be a good name for isInSourceDir to reflect that there being no source dirs is also fine?
2018-07-30 18:27:48	lukelau	Yeah, if source dirs isnt set then there is still the possibility it could be in it
2018-07-30 18:27:57	lukelau	so maybe couldBeInSourceDir? Or something more terse
2018-07-30 18:28:19	lukelau	couldBeInModule
2018-07-30 18:36:15	Gurkenglas	lukelau: So sourceDirs works like: "If an sourceDirs entry exists and isn't empty, override some previous config value with the entry's value"?
2018-07-30 18:38:42	lukelau	The sourceDir entry shouldn’t change
2018-07-30 18:39:31	lukelau	the source dir functions are for checking if the build component might compile the module that we’re adding the dependency
2018-07-30 18:39:59	lukelau	And if it could contain it, we edit the dependencies
2018-07-30 18:57:48	--	Notice(GitHub25): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #722: Refactor command IDs to use CommandId type (master...command-id-refactor) https://git.io/fNaJW
2018-07-30 18:58:35	lukelau	alanz: I’m pretty iffy about this PR, feels like I made things more complicated
2018-07-30 19:51:45	alanz	lukelau, I will take a look
2018-07-30 20:14:56	alanz	lukelau, I think it may be a step in the right direction. I will look in more detail, and try to actually use it
2018-07-30 21:10:35	alanz	lukelau, Language.Haskell.LSP.Test.Parsing.satisfy prints out the messages it sees
2018-07-30 21:11:25	alanz	I think we should be able to turn this on or off via config, and disable the colour coding if we choose to. Running the tests in an emacs compile buffer does not interpret the colour codes
2018-07-30 21:11:51	lukelau	Yeah its quite a lot of logging, theres a newer version of haskell-lsp-test that has a config option to disable it
2018-07-30 21:12:07	alanz	nice
2018-07-30 21:12:17	alanz	its a good feature, but in its place
2018-07-30 21:12:20	alanz	:)
2018-07-30 21:12:49	alanz	lukelau, btw I see the "end of coding" date is something like friday. For GSOC
2018-07-30 21:12:54	alanz	FWIW
2018-07-30 21:13:36	lukelau	Yup its soon! I need to document haskell-lsp-test for it I think
2018-07-30 21:14:01	alanz	Yes, I think some sort of formal point, at the very least with a publish to hackage
2018-07-30 21:14:12	lukelau	That’s my plan, to get a 0.1 out
2018-07-30 21:14:24	alanz	good
2018-07-30 21:14:27	lukelau	I’m currently taking a second look at that FSM stuff also
2018-07-30 21:14:30	alanz	ok
2018-07-30 21:15:03	alanz	I must say I feel much more comfortable with making changes to hie, knowing we can run decent functional tests now
2018-07-30 21:15:12	alanz	it was always a blind spot
2018-07-30 21:15:51	 *	alanz writing functional test now for the diagnostics providers
2018-07-30 21:16:34	lukelau	How do you find it to use ergonomically?
2018-07-30 21:17:19	lukelau	Are there any pain points so far?
2018-07-30 21:17:27	alanz	its my first use in anger, to be honest
2018-07-30 21:17:34	alanz	So I will let you know
2018-07-30 21:18:06	alanz	The general feel is good, though, from looking over and tweaking other tests along the way
2018-07-30 21:27:47	lukelau	Don’t be afraid to air your grievances!
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2018-07-31 01:11:12	--	Notice(GitHub146): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #723: [Do not merge] diagnostic providers (master...liquid-plugin) https://git.io/fNaMW
2018-07-31 01:15:33	lukelau	alanz wow are you planning to add a liquid haskell plugin? 
2018-07-31 01:16:15	alanz	yes, it looks quite straightforward
2018-07-31 01:17:03	alanz	it already spits out files with the errors and span info, so its just a matter of reading them in, and turning them into diagnostics
2018-07-31 01:17:07	lukelau	Looking forward to it, liquid haskell seems really cool. Haven’t had the chance to try it out yet
2018-07-31 01:17:13	alanz	one for hover, one for diags
2018-07-31 01:17:27	alanz	and then decide on a way to actually run it
2018-07-31 01:18:01	alanz	At some future date there can be deep integration, to use our TypeCheckedModule. But to start, just run an external process. 
2018-07-31 01:18:14	alanz	And it only supports GHC 8.2.2. at present
2018-07-31 01:18:21	alanz	But I want to do a proof of concept.
2018-07-31 01:18:37	alanz	for haskellX in oct
2018-07-31 01:18:43	lukelau	HaskellX?
2018-07-31 01:18:56	alanz	yes, its a conference thing in london
2018-07-31 01:19:10	alanz	https://skillsmatter.com/conferences/10237-haskell-exchange-2018
2018-07-31 01:19:53	lukelau	Nice, spread hie far and wide :)
2018-07-31 01:20:08	alanz	I'm coming for my kid's graduation, so figured I may as well attend too
2018-07-31 01:20:30	lukelau	Congrats, where are they graduating from?
2018-07-31 01:21:06	alanz	Dublin. DIT.
2018-07-31 01:21:34	alanz	So I will be in your neck of the woods for a bit too
2018-07-31 01:22:20	lukelau	He’s also doing computer science as well right? I might bump into you there then!
2018-07-31 01:22:37	alanz	has done, finished now
2018-07-31 01:23:06	alanz	And yes, it would be good to meet, if we can. I am likely to be there for the week, from 12 Oct on
2018-07-31 01:23:13	lukelau	Another proud generation of programmers then
2018-07-31 01:23:28	alanz	my dad did too, so he's 3rd gen
2018-07-31 01:24:34	lukelau	Let me know when you’re free closer to the date, it would be great to have a chat
2018-07-31 01:24:55	alanz	ok
2018-07-31 01:25:01	lukelau	I’ll be kicking around university somewhere
2018-07-31 01:25:24	lukelau	By the way I finally got hedgehog plugged into haskell-lsp-test
2018-07-31 01:25:25	lukelau	https://lukelau.me/hedgehog.mov
2018-07-31 01:25:31	lukelau	Not sure if you can view that file
2018-07-31 01:25:50	alanz	yes I can, watching
2018-07-31 01:26:30	lukelau	Still not entirely sure how to make the most of hedeghog, but it seems to be randomly transitioning between various states
2018-07-31 01:26:32	alanz	nice
2018-07-31 01:27:12	alanz	well, hedgehog is from the quickcheck family, where it randomly generates tests rather than hand-crafted ones
2018-07-31 01:27:25	alanz	which encourages you to identify/test invariants
2018-07-31 01:29:06	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/Bubba/67a357716c8b3e96e86baaca57993eff
2018-07-31 01:30:04	lukelau	Currently I just made a property(?) that just opens and closes a document, and possibly waiting for no diagnostics
2018-07-31 01:30:25	alanz	so i see
2018-07-31 01:30:46	alanz	I guess we could put something together to do a sort of fuzz testing
2018-07-31 01:31:06	lukelau	I’m not 100% certain how to go about verifying that the steps worked though, since the Session monad can’t run in the `Ensure` part
2018-07-31 01:31:49	lukelau	I just published a branch for it, feel free to poke about
2018-07-31 01:32:12	lukelau	Yeah I could see it being useful for just general resilience testing
2018-07-31 01:32:21	lukelau	See what happens if we open 100 documents etc.
2018-07-31 01:32:35	alanz	yes, that is what I was thinking
2018-07-31 01:33:01	alanz	But if I were you I wouldn't try to get too deep into it, from a GSOC POV
2018-07-31 01:33:18	alanz	from a learn the tech point of view, definitely go for it
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2018-07-31 01:36:22	lukelau	I don’t think I would have included it in the final gsoc code, I had to tear up a lot of the internals and left a huge mess
2018-07-31 01:39:21	alanz	I can imagine
2018-07-31 01:46:24	--	Notice(GitHub93): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #724: Make sure that we build the exes before installing them (master...master) https://git.io/fNayh
2018-07-31 01:46:28	--	Notice(GitHub164): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fNa9m
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2018-07-31 03:02:57	Gurkenglas	The ircbrowse logs appear to have stopped in April. Can we get some logs up?
2018-07-31 03:11:20	Gurkenglas	lukelau: This questionable hunch is telling me that ensureObject and addDep should actually just do nothing if they don't see an Object/Array
2018-07-31 03:18:52	lukelau	Gurkenglas: I agree, it should just do nothing if the input is malformed
2018-07-31 03:20:34	Gurkenglas	Huh, props to the hunch. It came from how it actually makes the code neater.
2018-07-31 03:26:20	Gurkenglas	lukelau: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/yaml-0.9.0/docs/Data-Yaml.html#v:decodeThrow seems to provide actual error messages when it fails, should I plumb those to the IdeError?
2018-07-31 03:26:33	Gurkenglas	(Or should that also be ignored?)
2018-07-31 03:26:55	Gurkenglas	(that failing, that is, in that it doesnt produce an IdeError)
2018-07-31 03:27:13	lukelau	If it fails it should produce an IdeError of PluginType
2018-07-31 03:27:40	lukelau	Probably just best to give it a generic error message like “unable to parse package.yaml”
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2018-07-31 04:12:39	Gurkenglas	lukelau: If isInSourceDir's argument turns out to be neither Array nor String, it should be handled the same as an empty Array or no sourceDir entry at all, right? ie https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blame/a2d33cd010206955c206ef8f4427da769f6a516c/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/Package.hs#L173 to True
2018-07-31 04:23:56	Gurkenglas	"Top-level binding with no type signature:   isInSourceDir :: Foldable t1 => (t2 -> t3 -> Bool) -> t3 -> t1 t2 -> Bool" <- Could this provide a quickfix?
2018-07-31 04:43:17	lukelau	Gurkenglas: That’s a great idea for a quick fix
2018-07-31 04:43:55	lukelau	Gurkenglas: I would say maybe false in that case
2018-07-31 04:44:12	lukelau	Since we know it has a sourcedirs field but we can’t decipher it
2018-07-31 04:49:46	Gurkenglas	lukelau: But you also say yes if there's a sourcedirs field but its empty
2018-07-31 04:50:23	lukelau	Do I? That should be false too then
2018-07-31 04:50:31	lukelau	Its good to clarify these things
2018-07-31 04:51:19	Gurkenglas	lukelau: That's what the null s is for, right?
2018-07-31 04:51:30	Gurkenglas	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blame/a2d33cd010206955c206ef8f4427da769f6a516c/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/Package.hs#L218
2018-07-31 04:52:44	lukelau	I believe it’s null if the sourcedir field wasn’t declared as well
2018-07-31 04:54:00	lukelau	So if its empty (<=> undeclared) we should add the package
2018-07-31 04:55:00	lukelau	If it contains the module, add it
2018-07-31 04:55:06	lukelau	otherwise don’t add it
2018-07-31 04:56:15	lukelau	We don’t need to worry about not being able to parse it for cabal files though since we parse it all at the start
2018-07-31 04:58:28	lukelau	By the way, hopefully we’ll be able to use https://github.com/wisn/format-preserving-yaml soon for package.yaml
2018-07-31 05:02:17	Gurkenglas	Oh man I think I've lost track of how each edit*Package should do its modulePath logic
2018-07-31 05:02:49	Gurkenglas	Was most of the preexisting code correct, and if so what wasn't?
2018-07-31 05:06:15	Gurkenglas	In editCabalPackage, put the hsSourceDirs through \s -> null s || any (`isPrefixOf` modulePath) s
2018-07-31 05:09:32	Gurkenglas	In editHpackPackage, if there's no source-dirs just accept, if it's not String or Array ???, if it's an empty array ???, if there's at least one require that one of them has the module
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2018-07-31 05:56:46	Gurkenglas	lukelau: How do I execute a command like https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/4f072846dfd530ac2b1aa0dff603a7e2ea65922a/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/GhcMod.hs#L70 in VS Code?
2018-07-31 06:02:22	Gurkenglas	(Not necessarily specifically in VS Code, just in what way are such commands usually provided to the user)
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2018-07-31 14:32:01	alanz	lukelau, it just struck me that the codeactionprovider and diagnosticsprovider are using different techniques to handle the fact that there may not be any
2018-07-31 14:32:32	alanz	and that perhaps the codeaction approach might be simpler, return a null value, rather than not call it
2018-07-31 14:57:31	lukelau	alanz I didn’t get time to take a proper look at that branch yet
2018-07-31 14:58:22	alanz	I just re-looked at it, and think the way I am doing it is ok, it means less wasted processing at runtime
2018-07-31 14:58:40	lukelau	Gurkenglas: LSP doesn’t actually define a way for users to execute commands directly, in vscode we manually add menus to call them, otherwise you need to expose them via code actions or something similar
2018-07-31 14:59:24	lukelau	alanz: We should probably adopt it for code actions as well then, it creates a new IReq for each plugin which can have a good bit of overhead
2018-07-31 15:00:40	lukelau	alanz: Is it ok if I make a PR to your branch for that?
2018-07-31 15:01:18	lukelau	Yeah I would much prefer if it returned a Maybe CodeActionProvider, makes much more sense
2018-07-31 15:01:32	lukelau	Just seeing how you’ve done it now
2018-07-31 15:03:41	alanz	yes
2018-07-31 15:03:59	alanz	And I see the CI is green, are you ok for me to merge it?
2018-07-31 15:04:35	lukelau	For #723?
2018-07-31 15:05:20	alanz	yes
2018-07-31 15:05:41	lukelau	lgtm
2018-07-31 15:05:43	alanz	then I must take a look at your command thing.  
2018-07-31 15:06:04	lukelau	Did you merge part of it into liquid-haskell?
2018-07-31 15:06:08	alanz	One thing that concerns me is that the plugin name is a kind of variable name, as used in MainHie.hs
2018-07-31 15:06:35	alanz	no, nothing for liquid haskell yet, bar the existance of the (empty) plugin
2018-07-31 15:07:08	alanz	I want to merge it into master, as a thing, then make a new PR for the LH stuff in future, when I make progress
2018-07-31 15:07:34	--	Notice(GitHub139): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #723: diagnostic providers (master...liquid-plugin) https://git.io/fNaMW
2018-07-31 15:07:36	--	Notice(GitHub28): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 6 new commits to master: https://git.io/fNVaW
2018-07-31 15:07:36	--	Notice(GitHub28): haskell-ide-engine/master 1ae4841 Alan Zimmerman: Bring in the concept of a DiagnosticProvider for plugins...
2018-07-31 15:07:36	--	Notice(GitHub28): haskell-ide-engine/master e1df2ee Alan Zimmerman: Work in progress on diagnostic providers...
2018-07-31 15:07:36	--	Notice(GitHub28): haskell-ide-engine/master 7f5d087 Alan Zimmerman: Add test for disganostic provider
2018-07-31 15:08:32	lukelau	alanz: Yeah I was thinking we should maybe keep pluginName and pluginId as well
2018-07-31 15:08:44	alanz	yes
2018-07-31 15:09:00	alanz	and/or pass the pluginId from MainHie.hs
2018-07-31 15:09:02	lukelau	Or are you saying that we should define the plugin ids in mainhie.hs?
2018-07-31 15:09:07	alanz	yes
2018-07-31 15:09:31	alanz	so that there is a single place where you can see all the live pluginIds, to make sure there is no conflict
2018-07-31 15:10:07	lukelau	alanz: that sounds better, I’m also thinking putting the pluginid in the commandid was redundant
2018-07-31 15:10:18	alanz	agree
2018-07-31 15:10:38	lukelau	plugincommand should probably just define a commandname, and then we can provide a function for generating a commandid from a commandname + pluginid
2018-07-31 15:10:45	alanz	yes
2018-07-31 15:20:44	--	Notice(GitHub161): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #726: Change CodeActionProvider to Maybe CodeActionProvider (master...liquid-plugin) https://git.io/fNVVM
2018-07-31 15:32:11	alanz	lukelau, I think we are going to need hoverProvider too
2018-07-31 15:32:41	alanz	and once we have all of these, we can push them all into the plugins where they belong, rather than being inline in LspStdIO
2018-07-31 15:32:49	lukelau	Great, I’ll create an issue for that
2018-07-31 15:33:10	lukelau	It’s really nice to see hie-plugin-api get fleshed out
2018-07-31 15:41:52	alanz	agree
2018-07-31 17:10:59	--	Notice(GitHub92): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba closed pull request #726: Change CodeActionProvider to Maybe CodeActionProvider (master...liquid-plugin) https://git.io/fNVVM
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2018-07-31 17:10:59	--	Notice(GitHub22): haskell-ide-engine/master ff9d157 Luke Lau: Change codeactionprovide to maybe codeactionprovider
2018-07-31 17:10:59	--	Notice(GitHub22): haskell-ide-engine/master 83aa6cf Luke Lau: Fix test
2018-07-31 17:10:59	--	Notice(GitHub22): haskell-ide-engine/master 8172cd0 Luke Lau: Merge pull request #726 from Bubba/liquid-plugin...
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2018-07-31 18:26:43	alanz	lukelau, we actually need to make a sweep through haskell-lsp some time, I noticed e.g. that the type for documentation is now different, added a new alternative and deprecated the others
2018-07-31 18:31:05	Gurkenglas	VS Code displays wrong line numbers in ghc-mod's check diagnostics, executing ghc-mod check via the command line doesn't have that problem
2018-07-31 18:32:22	Gurkenglas	The column numbers are correct, the line numbers appear to be mapped through some monotonic function
2018-07-31 18:33:04	Gurkenglas	Perhaps hie adds source annotations that include newlines before ghc-mod runs across it?
2018-07-31 18:34:21	Gurkenglas	https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/3ed6a50ff12c655131f965a3767b8091 command line output and VS Code messages
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2018-07-31 19:15:11	Gurkenglas	Mousing over tokens also shows me info for tokens at a different position
2018-07-31 19:17:12	Gurkenglas	lukelau: https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/f31c10e1025bf92f497f4db3f50ee256 would do that top-level binding signature quickfix, but how do I test whether the range is right?
2018-07-31 19:51:08	lukelau	alanz: I’m working on updating the client capabilites at the moment, need it for a haskell-lsp-test ticket
2018-07-31 19:52:04	lukelau	Quite a lot has changed, it will be good to get it caught up so that it will be easier to keep up to date
2018-07-31 19:52:59	lukelau	Gurkenglas: My guess would be that hie is counting \r and \n twice
2018-07-31 19:53:08	lukelau	Could you file an issue for that?
2018-07-31 19:54:07	lukelau	Could you also post the contents of C:\\Users\gurke\AppData\Local\Temp\ghc-mod1665\GhcBCB3.hs?
2018-07-31 19:55:32	lukelau	Gurkenglas: You probably just want to manually create a new range that inserts a new line above the diagnostic
2018-07-31 19:55:40	lukelau	*above the line that has the diagnostic
2018-07-31 19:56:23	lukelau	So if you do a range at Position (lineNo, 0) (lineNo, 0) and a text that ends with a ‘\n’ you should be set
2018-07-31 20:20:30	Gurkenglas	lukelau: File was named differently but https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/0a3ca1fb3c77b8e5bfd080a21eaa4668
2018-07-31 20:24:06	lukelau	Definitely a \r\n error
2018-07-31 20:24:10	Gurkenglas	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/729
2018-07-31 20:24:11	lukelau	Very trippy
2018-07-31 20:24:18	lukelau	Thanks!
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2018-08-01 00:21:43	lukelau	alanz: My diagnostics aren’t always getting cleared
2018-08-01 00:22:08	alanz	can you put together a test case?
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2018-08-01 00:22:34	lukelau	Will do
2018-08-01 00:23:31	Gurkenglas	Are there logs anywhere?
2018-08-01 00:24:30	lukelau	vscode gives them in $TMPDIR/hie.log, or whatever you passed to -l
2018-08-01 00:25:09	alanz	I actually think I must check that vscode does actually generat logs
2018-08-01 00:25:36	alanz	no, it does, I have been using it
2018-08-01 00:26:00	Gurkenglas	Whoops, I meant channel logs
2018-08-01 00:26:27	Gurkenglas	(This machine does put VS Code logs in that temp folder)
2018-08-01 00:26:34	Gurkenglas	IRC channel logs, that is
2018-08-01 00:33:11	Gurkenglas	(wrote so tersely because so does the topic and ircbrowse stopped in April)
2018-08-01 00:33:57	alanz	I think chrisdone turned off the machine that was doing it
2018-08-01 00:34:12	alanz	And we never looked for an alternative.
2018-08-01 00:34:17	alanz	suggestions welcome
2018-08-01 00:37:03	arrowd	alanz: After some debugging I found that this never returns: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/JsonStdio.hs#L105
2018-08-01 00:38:04	alanz	arrowd, something needs to write to that channel before it will return
2018-08-01 00:38:28	arrowd	On line 117: atomically $ writeTChan cin preq
2018-08-01 00:38:36	arrowd	Should't that write into TChan?
2018-08-01 00:39:01	arrowd	Ah, no, line 110
2018-08-01 00:39:07	arrowd	writeTChan rout (ReactorOutput rid resp)
2018-08-01 00:40:17	alanz	and 117 sends it to the dispatcher, with a callback to send the response
2018-08-01 00:40:33	alanz	best would be to enable logging and see what is happening in the dispatcher
2018-08-01 00:40:52	alanz	This code is not receiving a lot of TLC, would not be surprised if it is rotting
2018-08-01 00:41:35	arrowd	How to enable that?
2018-08-01 00:44:06	alanz	CLI, --debug --logfile /tmp/hie.log
2018-08-01 00:44:29	alanz	or -d -l /tmp/hie.log
2018-08-01 00:44:35	alanz	as params to hie
2018-08-01 00:44:51	alanz	and put the log wherever makes sense to you
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2018-08-01 00:46:38	arrowd	That doesn't produce anything new.
2018-08-01 00:49:21	alanz	is there anything appearing in /tmp/hie.log?
2018-08-01 00:49:40	alanz	the dispatchers should be quite chatty when they get stuff
2018-08-01 00:49:56	alanz	saying they are top of loop, that kind of thing
2018-08-01 00:50:11	alanz	(which is just before waiting on one of those channels)
2018-08-01 00:50:50	arrowd	2018-07-31 22:16:51.227021345 [ThreadId 4] - Using stack GHC version
2018-08-01 00:50:52	arrowd	2018-07-31 22:16:51.402079644 [ThreadId 4] - Run entered for HIE(hie) Version 0.2.2.0, Git revision f79073c1e51f00a9d9bda04e9d113836b2aa5215 (1718 commits) x86_64 ghc-8.4.3
2018-08-01 00:50:53	arrowd	2018-07-31 22:16:51.402220483 [ThreadId 4] - Current directory:/usr/home/arr/projects/haskell-ide-engine
2018-08-01 00:50:58	arrowd	Only that
2018-08-01 00:51:19	lukelau	arrowd: You might need to add `-d`?
2018-08-01 00:51:37	arrowd	Running as stack exec hie -- --json -d -l log < input
2018-08-01 00:51:47	alanz	that looks right
2018-08-01 00:52:12	alanz	lukelau, is the jsonstdio launching the dispatcher properly
2018-08-01 00:52:21	lukelau	I’m not sure
2018-08-01 00:52:36	lukelau	I’ve never ran it 😬
2018-08-01 00:53:15	Gurkenglas	https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/a09ada0a206d1e171eafff76e59e21d3 permission denied on a local rebuild for testing?
2018-08-01 00:54:14	Gurkenglas	Maybe it's powershell, maybe it's stack install instead of the buildscript as the github readme says for only building the 8.4.3 version, maybe it's from using VS-Codes terminal, maybe it's from being inside that folder
2018-08-01 00:54:43	Gurkenglas	not the first or the third or the fourth
2018-08-01 00:55:15	alanz	Gurkenglas, you are trying to replace a running hie exe
2018-08-01 00:55:30	Gurkenglas	Ah, okay, too bad I can't do that.
2018-08-01 00:55:41	lukelau	arrowd: I’m getting 
2018-08-01 00:55:41	alanz	its frustrating, you need to shut down everything before calling make
2018-08-01 00:55:41	lukelau	2018-07-31 20:25:24.825865 [ThreadId 4] - Using plain GHC version
2018-08-01 00:55:42	lukelau	2018-07-31 20:25:24.897991 [ThreadId 4] - Run entered for HIE(hie) Version 0.2.2.0, Git revision bb7d97af4dab6566c4776e96b050ae7dab704820 (1724 commits) x86_64 ghc-8.4.3
2018-08-01 00:55:43	lukelau	2018-07-31 20:25:24.89932 [ThreadId 4] - Current directory:/Users/luke
2018-08-01 00:55:44	lukelau	2018-07-31 20:25:24.926913 [ThreadId 12] - ghcDispatcher: top of loop
2018-08-01 00:55:45	lukelau	2018-07-31 20:25:24.927134 [ThreadId 13] - ideDispatcher: top of loop
2018-08-01 00:55:48	Gurkenglas	(Maybe I could make VS Code use a ghci'd hie :D)
2018-08-01 00:55:59	alanz	lukelau, when launching with --json?
2018-08-01 00:56:06	lukelau	hie -d --json 
2018-08-01 00:56:09	alanz	that is what I would expect to see
2018-08-01 00:56:10	lukelau	I’m hitting the top of the loop
2018-08-01 00:56:20	alanz	arrowd, are you on current master?
2018-08-01 00:56:36	Gurkenglas	Should hie give a shout when I try a rebuild while it's running?
2018-08-01 00:56:46	alanz	Gurkenglas, how would it know?
2018-08-01 00:57:13	alanz	but maybe have the makefile do "ps auxf | grep hie" and see if anything shows up
2018-08-01 00:57:20	Gurkenglas	alanz: a check in the Setup.hs - ah you see :D
2018-08-01 00:57:44	alanz	but getting *that* to work cross platform would be a genuine nightmare
2018-08-01 00:58:58	lukelau	I was wondering recently about how feasible would it be to link all 4 hie binaries together into one mega-binary?
2018-08-01 00:59:09	Gurkenglas	Should problem reports have a context menu option for quickfixes?
2018-08-01 00:59:21	lukelau	It would probably be in the magnitude of gigabytes
2018-08-01 00:59:24	arrowd	alanz: Yep.
2018-08-01 00:59:36	lukelau	arrowd: What’s your input?
2018-08-01 00:59:59	arrowd	Yep, without any input I also get "top of loop".
2018-08-01 01:00:56	arrowd	{"reqId":1, "plugin":"build", "command":"isConfigured", "arg":[123]}
2018-08-01 01:05:34	Gurkenglas	https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/07fdf48d4627c1fc598eaf1806a3c09d I made these changes to implement https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/725 but I don't see any lightbulbs popping up even when the location is at the top like in a file like https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/eadc29716a944e40a38f653da977e4bd
2018-08-01 01:05:47	lukelau	arrowd: I imagine its choking after getting this input
2018-08-01 01:05:56	Gurkenglas	Should I just make a PR that may be buggy and have you see whether it works?
2018-08-01 01:06:37	lukelau	arrowd: https://gist.github.com/Bubba/11a35918f4272b87010c748e5c452cfa
2018-08-01 01:07:35	lukelau	Gurkenglas: You can create a WIP PR
2018-08-01 01:07:43	Gurkenglas	(because maybe it's just https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/729 )
2018-08-01 01:07:46	lukelau	Did you add that to ghc-mod?
2018-08-01 01:07:57	Gurkenglas	lukelau: yes
2018-08-01 01:07:57	lukelau	ghcmod.hs sorry
2018-08-01 01:08:06	lukelau	And its inside the codeactionprovider?
2018-08-01 01:08:35	lukelau	You should try creating test cases for it in the test/func/ directory, it will make it easier to see what’s exactly going on
2018-08-01 01:12:27	--	Notice(GitHub68): [haskell-ide-engine] Gurkenglas opened pull request #730: WIP on #725 (master...implement725) https://git.io/fNwMc
2018-08-01 01:12:56	Gurkenglas	lukelau: Yep. Oh, that might work.
2018-08-01 01:13:32	Gurkenglas	Is it enough to supply a file that'll cause that quick fix suggestion and then it tests that the result of applying it compiles and doesn't cause it?
2018-08-01 01:15:22	lukelau	Gurkenglas: Yeah, although its probably just easier to check that the file contents equal what you expect afterwards
2018-08-01 01:17:54	arrowd	lukelau: Chokes? In what part?
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2018-08-01 01:24:42	Gurkenglas	(oh man, good thing I checked in that autogenerated file for that command before just copying the project folder)
2018-08-01 01:24:55	lukelau	Like stalls after getNextReq
2018-08-01 01:26:05	Gurkenglas	It's test/dispatcher/Main.hs tho, right
2018-08-01 01:29:25	Gurkenglas	Is there a guide on the workflow for making tests? ._. it seems like the test file should be inlined in the test code like the expected result is in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/test/functional/CodeActionsSpec.hs#L190
2018-08-01 01:33:07	lukelau	Create a small test file somewhere in test/testdata
2018-08-01 01:33:54	lukelau	And then in CodeActionSpec.hs create a new `it “provides top-level quick fix” $ runSession …`
2018-08-01 01:34:24	lukelau	We should probably start to move the expected contents out from strings and into actual files that we read from
2018-08-01 01:35:02	lukelau	You can also just try manually sending LSP messages to execute your code action request, and verifying that the edit response contains the changes you expect
2018-08-01 01:35:44	lukelau	Gurkenglas: https://github.com/Bubba/haskell-lsp-test/wiki/Introduction
2018-08-01 01:35:54	lukelau	Or also just check out what the other tests there are already doing
2018-08-01 01:59:51	--	Notice(GitHub171): [haskell-ide-engine] arrowd opened pull request #731: Fix JsonStdio transport. (master...master) https://git.io/fNwQX
2018-08-01 02:10:15	alanz	I am getting *really* tired of stack rebuilding all the non-snapshot deps all the time
2018-08-01 02:18:47	lukelau	alanz: the extra-deps?
2018-08-01 02:19:04	lukelau	Gurkenglas: Is there a lens-y way of doing `map (^. foo) x`
2018-08-01 02:19:12	alanz	yes. Just called make, it seems to be rebuilding everything
2018-08-01 02:19:13	lukelau	*`map (^. foo) xs`
2018-08-01 02:19:26	alanz	I need to make the cabal new-test stuff work
2018-08-01 02:20:08	lukelau	If you figure out how, let me know
2018-08-01 02:20:22	lukelau	I’ve been trying for 2 days to get haskell-lsp-test’s tests to work with cabal test/cabal new-test
2018-08-01 02:20:29	lukelau	But it just times out on travis no matter what
2018-08-01 02:20:33	lukelau	stack test is fine
2018-08-01 02:20:52	lukelau	I think its compiling it differently, its really slow and then just gets stuck at some point
2018-08-01 02:22:01	alanz	lukelau, it is related to cabal-helper/ghc-mod and the like
2018-08-01 02:22:35	alanz	I have been waiting for the new cabal-install to come out (imminent, I hope, it is needed for GHC 8.6.1)
2018-08-01 02:22:49	alanz	and then planning on tackling things. Or bugging dxld to do that
2018-08-01 02:23:21	alanz	And in other news I just saw my first liquidhaskell error show up as a Diagnostic in hie
2018-08-01 02:28:49	arrowd	The response I get from JsonStdio is {"_resId":1,"_response":true}
2018-08-01 02:29:03	arrowd	Why field names are underscored? Is this normal?
2018-08-01 02:32:46	alanz	arrowd, yes, that is to facilitate lenses
2018-08-01 02:32:52	alanz	unfortunately
2018-08-01 02:34:22	arrowd	Ah, ok.
2018-08-01 02:35:56	lukelau	alanz: 🎉
2018-08-01 02:35:57	lukelau	exciting
2018-08-01 02:36:36	lukelau	I’m almost done adding hoverProviders
2018-08-01 02:39:05	alanz	See https://github.com/ucsd-progsys/liquidhaskell/issues/1352#issuecomment-409368628
2018-08-01 02:39:18	alanz	lukelau, great news, I am just about ready for those
2018-08-01 02:43:02	alanz	and having this stuff in the plugins will make it easier for the json stuff arrowd is doing too
2018-08-01 02:43:40	lukelau	What’s going on with the json stuff?
2018-08-01 02:44:16	alanz	the jsonstdio
2018-08-01 02:44:22	alanz	which does not use lspstdio
2018-08-01 02:44:40	alanz	so if the heavy lifting is in the plugin, it can be shared. If needed.
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2018-08-01 02:47:29	lukelau	Nice
2018-08-01 02:49:27	--	Notice(GitHub122): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #732: [Do not merge] Liquid plugin (master...liquid-plugin) https://git.io/fNwbl
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2018-08-01 02:57:03	--	Notice(GitHub102): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #733: Add pluginHoverProvider (master...hover-provider) https://git.io/fNwN3
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2018-08-01 03:04:09	alanz	lukelau, we seem to be making huge progress at the moment. Its great.
2018-08-01 03:04:44	alanz	The best part is deciding to do something, and then have it happen pretty easily
2018-08-01 03:05:01	alanz	which tells me we are converging on a good architecture.
2018-08-01 03:05:11	lukelau	I agree, now that we have a lot of pieces in place working on hie is a joy
2018-08-01 03:05:15	alanz	Either that or I am learning all the warts, and no longer see them :)
2018-08-01 03:05:30	lukelau	Stockholm syndrome lol
2018-08-01 03:05:47	alanz	I particularly like the way the plugins are becoming the focal point
2018-08-01 03:05:49	alanz	:)
2018-08-01 03:06:11	lukelau	I’m also amazed at how modular this is (or was all along)
2018-08-01 03:06:20	alanz	Which makes it easier for other people to plug their whizbang stuff in
2018-08-01 03:06:26	alanz	thanks
2018-08-01 03:07:26	lukelau	The fact that it has multiple transports is a testament to it
2018-08-01 03:07:45	lukelau	And with the new plugin architecture we could probably start adding plugins for other languages too…
2018-08-01 03:07:56	alanz	well, originally we had no idea which transport would stick, and figured we could support anything
2018-08-01 03:08:05	alanz	then it specialised like crazy onto LSP
2018-08-01 03:08:20	alanz	and now it is spreading out again more.
2018-08-01 03:08:33	alanz	I guess it is a case of first make it work, then make it pretty
2018-08-01 03:09:49	alanz	anyway, bed time.
2018-08-01 03:10:20	lukelau	I’m still pretty keen on the blog post idea of yours, I was thinking would there be any good tools/plugins to walk along the addition to hie?
2018-08-01 03:10:29	lukelau	Night
2018-08-01 03:10:53	lukelau	We got a lot of work done today, 10 PRs open at the moment!
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2018-08-01 03:14:28	--	Notice(GitHub25): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba closed pull request #722: Refactor command IDs to use CommandId type (master...command-id-refactor) https://git.io/fNaJW
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2018-08-01 05:17:22	Gurkenglas	stack build --only-configure runs through, but ghc-mod says "Could not find module `TestUtils' Perhaps you meant Test.Util Use -v to see a list of the files searched for." and "Could not find module `Test.Hspec' Use -v to see a list of the files searched for.". What should I do?
2018-08-01 05:17:33	Gurkenglas	ghc-mod say that in problems, that is
2018-08-01 05:18:24	Gurkenglas	*says
2018-08-01 05:18:42	Gurkenglas	Doesn't say it if I execute it in the terminal
2018-08-01 05:30:01	--	Notice(GitHub167): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba closed pull request #733: Add pluginHoverProvider (master...hover-provider) https://git.io/fNwN3
2018-08-01 05:30:04	--	Notice(GitHub160): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fNrkr
2018-08-01 05:30:04	--	Notice(GitHub160): haskell-ide-engine/master 63a2a09 Luke Lau: Add pluginHoverProvider
2018-08-01 05:30:04	--	Notice(GitHub160): haskell-ide-engine/master c8d01c2 Luke Lau: Merge pull request #733 from Bubba/hover-provider...
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2018-08-01 12:12:24	if`m	A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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2018-08-01 12:17:22	--	Notice(GitHub113): haskell-ide-engine/master 1e4b2e3 Gleb Popov: Fix JsonStdio transport.
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2018-08-01 15:43:55	ecks27	A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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2018-08-01 15:45:40	lukelau	alanz: Diagnostics seem to be clearing themselves now, not sure what happened
2018-08-01 15:46:01	lukelau	Probably just needed to restart hie
2018-08-01 15:46:19	alanz	could be. Or build and install the version you think you did
2018-08-01 15:46:41	alanz	One of the problems when you install is that all the references are in to the hie src dir
2018-08-01 15:46:56	alanz	so if you go on to work on that, with hie running, odd things happen
2018-08-01 15:47:11	alanz	especially if you switch branches. Which I do a lot
2018-08-01 15:47:55	alanz	I have taken to installing an "official" version from the haskell/haskell-ide-engine local clone, which I use for dev, on the one I am working on
2018-08-01 15:52:50	lukelau	How do you test out the one that you are working on then?
2018-08-01 15:52:54	lukelau	stack install?
2018-08-01 15:56:38	alanz	yes. Or make
2018-08-01 15:56:45	alanz	make hie-8.4.3
2018-08-01 15:56:58	alanz	but you need to shut down the hie instance first, which is a pain
2018-08-01 15:57:14	alanz	so I generally quit emacs, call make, reload
2018-08-01 15:57:34	alanz	its a pain, the way everything circles round
2018-08-01 15:58:08	alanz	which reminds me, emacs can save a window layout on exit. Need to investigate that
2018-08-01 15:58:27	alanz	I have started playing with the hover stuff
2018-08-01 15:58:30	alanz	btw
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2018-08-01 16:08:26	Gurkenglas	Should https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/c8d01c20a901547e8105b26b187369c766b7366d/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/Hoogle.hs discard its IdeError? The usual behavior I've seen is to pass the error out
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2018-08-01 16:27:22	lukelau	alanz: Ah thats probaly why then, I’ve just been reloading the server without shutting it down while building
2018-08-01 16:27:26	lukelau	Explains a lot
2018-08-01 16:28:04	lukelau	Are you using the hover stuff for the liquid-haskell plugin?
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2018-08-01 16:42:51	alanz	lukelau, starting to build it in. Have a canned sequence coming out now, but on vscode only
2018-08-01 16:43:04	alanz	my lsp-ui in emacs is not happy
2018-08-01 16:43:13	alanz	but tbh I think the ui thing needs work
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2018-08-01 16:44:51	lukelau	the ui in emacs?
2018-08-01 16:45:14	lukelau	What’s up with it?
2018-08-01 16:45:26	lukelau	Is it handling that psuedo markdown format ok
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2018-08-01 16:46:34	Gurkenglas	"Do something with ContT and traverse that turns `IdeM (IdeResponse a) -> (a -> R ()) -> R ()` into `[IdeM (IdeResponse a)] -> ([a] -> R ()) -> R ()`" is unclear? :s
2018-08-01 16:47:08	alanz	Gurkenglas, to me, yes
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2018-08-01 16:47:23	alanz	ContT, and alaf
2018-08-01 16:47:28	alanz	lost me completely
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2018-08-01 16:48:56	lukelau	Gurkenglas: sorry I didn’t see your previous message, got lost in the spam. I think in Hoogle its a “best-attempt” method, since Hoogle is a backup if Haddock fails
2018-08-01 16:49:09	lukelau	So it’s ok if it fails since we can just return nothing for the hover
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2018-08-01 17:57:48	Gurkenglas	Can I get problem reports from other files than the current one? Currently I keep doing "stack test --only-configure" manually in the terminal
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2018-08-01 20:07:36	lukelau	alanz: I’m can’t think of any “nice” way of wrapping up the command ids
2018-08-01 20:08:04	lukelau	My main gripe is that codeactionprovider excepts a list of raw lsp code actions, which inside have raw command ids
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2018-08-01 21:01:04	alanz	lukelau, dont worry about it
2018-08-01 21:04:35	--	Mode #haskell-ide-engine [+o wz1000] by ChanServ
2018-08-01 21:05:26	--	Mode #haskell-ide-engine [+r] by wz1000
2018-08-01 21:05:37	alanz	wz1000, thanks
2018-08-01 21:05:37	--	Mode #haskell-ide-engine [+o wz1000] by ChanServ
2018-08-01 21:06:14	@wz1000	alanz: we have to remember to uset it in a few days
2018-08-01 21:06:34	alanz	what does it do? registered users only?
2018-08-01 21:06:42	@wz1000	yes
2018-08-01 21:06:49	alanz	makes sense
2018-08-01 21:06:52	@wz1000	*unset
2018-08-01 21:07:34	@wz1000	alanz: now how do I unop myself?
2018-08-01 21:07:46	alanz	no idea
2018-08-01 21:07:59	alanz	I have to search for an online help thing every time
2018-08-01 21:08:25	--	Mode #haskell-ide-engine [-o wz1000] by ChanServ
2018-08-01 21:08:29	alanz	wz1000, /help is useful
2018-08-01 21:09:01	alanz	was it "Deop"?
2018-08-01 21:09:04	wz1000	yes
2018-08-01 21:09:10	alanz	ok
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2018-08-01 21:21:03	alanz	wz1000, that worked well :(
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2018-08-01 21:43:37	lukelau	alanz: I’m going to upload haskell-lsp-test to hackage now, am I forgetting anything major with it?
2018-08-01 22:02:50	wz1000	alanz: these ones were already in the channel
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2018-08-01 22:09:21	--	Notice(GitHub3): [haskell-ide-engine] Bubba opened pull request #735: [WIP] Command ID refactor redux (master...command-id-refactor-2) https://git.io/fNoOd
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2018-08-01 23:10:40	alanz	lukelau, Do you want me to look? or have you already done it? 
2018-08-01 23:10:57	alanz	I am going to be tied up for the next half an hour thought
2018-08-01 23:11:01	alanz	though
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2018-08-02 01:57:04	lukelau	alanz: its not uploaded yet
2018-08-02 01:58:29	alanz	your hie-lsp-test?
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2018-08-02 02:00:57	lukelau	yeah
2018-08-02 02:01:15	lukelau	No rush for it, we have until friday right?
2018-08-02 02:01:38	lukelau	Also I renamed it from haskell-lsp-test since its not really tied to haskell
2018-08-02 02:01:49	lukelau	To just lsp-test
2018-08-02 02:02:00	lukelau	But the repository/modules remain the same
2018-08-02 02:02:13	alanz	ok
2018-08-02 02:02:32	alanz	And I see in the mail I got the wrap up starts on 6 aug, runs to 13 aug
2018-08-02 02:02:40	alanz	so you still have some time
2018-08-02 02:04:20	lukelau	We can still code during that time right?
2018-08-02 02:04:52	alanz	yes
2018-08-02 02:32:41	alanz	lukelau, for the Hover processing in LspStdio, we have
2018-08-02 02:32:43	alanz	sequence <$> mapM (\hp -> hp doc pos) hps
2018-08-02 02:33:13	alanz	which seems to me to assume that every hover provider will return a hover value. What if it does not have one?
2018-08-02 02:33:38	alanz	or is there some magic around returning a ResponseFail or some such?
2018-08-02 02:34:59	lukelau	I think you can just return an empty hover
2018-08-02 02:35:03	lukelau	Hover [] Nothing
2018-08-02 02:35:57	alanz	I think it might be better to run a Maybe Hover, or [Hover]
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2018-08-02 02:36:00	lukelau	That seems to be what it was previously doing anyway
2018-08-02 02:36:01	lukelau	LSP.Hover (LSP.List []) Nothing 
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2018-08-02 02:36:18	alanz	there can be more than one for a given span? so a list
2018-08-02 02:36:20	alanz	?
2018-08-02 02:36:38	lukelau	Yeah a hover returns a list of markup and a range
2018-08-02 02:36:59	alanz	Because encoding a non-result in a bastardised type value is not the haskell way
2018-08-02 02:37:12	lukelau	We should change that to a Maybe
2018-08-02 02:37:19	alanz	ok, so the concept of an empty hover is valid?
2018-08-02 02:37:38	alanz	and what if a given hover provider is getting info from more than one source?
2018-08-02 02:37:40	lukelau	I *think* so
2018-08-02 02:37:59	alanz	I am thinking specifically of e.g. GHC type info and liquid haskell type info
2018-08-02 02:38:01	lukelau	Because I thought about it for a while but wasn’t sure if throwing an error if there was no hover content was the right option
2018-08-02 02:38:11	alanz	and some other hover analysis we may choose to do
2018-08-02 02:38:31	alanz	hover is a best effort, so to me the most general would be to return a list
2018-08-02 02:38:40	alanz	so there can be zero to n of them
2018-08-02 02:38:46	lukelau	For more than one hover, I just use the first Just range for the range, which at the moment is always from ghcmod, and I concat the markups together
2018-08-02 02:38:55	alanz	and returning an empty list is not an error, just do not have info
2018-08-02 02:39:00	lukelau	Yeah
2018-08-02 02:39:17	alanz	I will change it to return a list
2018-08-02 02:39:22	lukelau	Of hovers?
2018-08-02 02:39:25	alanz	yes
2018-08-02 02:39:29	lukelau	Ok
2018-08-02 02:39:35	alanz	wait, let me read the spec first
2018-08-02 02:39:37	lukelau	I think we might also want to split up the range part as well
2018-08-02 02:39:44	lukelau	You can only return one range
2018-08-02 02:39:55	alanz	at the end of the day, lspstdio needs to combine hovers from all the hover providers anyway
2018-08-02 02:39:58	lukelau	So it should probably be done inside the reactor
2018-08-02 02:40:12	alanz	so it may as well concatmap as map
2018-08-02 02:40:29	lukelau	Thats what it does at the moment no?
2018-08-02 02:42:13	alanz	combining in the reactor? will look, just been digging out the lsp spec
2018-08-02 02:42:34	lukelau	I think that fold on line 481 does the combining
2018-08-02 02:43:17	alanz	yes
2018-08-02 02:43:40	alanz	so it already takes a list of Hover, I will let the HoverProvider do that
2018-08-02 02:44:37	lukelau	👍
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2018-08-02 02:47:05	alanz	lukelau, I was also thinking of bringing out the reverse position map and interval tree processing, as a hoverProviderHelper
2018-08-02 02:47:09	alanz	of some kind
2018-08-02 02:47:30	alanz	because that stuff is easy to screw up or forget
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2018-08-02 03:00:33	lukelau	So that the plugins can use the reverse positioning?
2018-08-02 03:00:36	lukelau	Do they not use it already?
2018-08-02 03:01:06	lukelau	It would be good to make it more friendly to use, I agree it is very fiddly
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2018-08-02 03:20:14	lukelau	alanz: I created a PR just there to move the capability presets I had from lsp-test into haskell-lsp, makes more sense there
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2018-08-02 03:47:10	Gurkenglas	Why do the hlint hints disappear after a short while while there are type errors?
2018-08-02 03:48:00	lukelau	Gurkenglas: see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/664
2018-08-02 03:53:13	Gurkenglas	Ah so we're waiting on the setting to be merged, yes? Should I somehow vote for that pr?
2018-08-02 03:58:12	Gurkenglas	I'll just put a thumbsup where there's already two of them
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2018-08-02 04:46:33	Gurkenglas	We had a command to add a package dependency, right? How do I invoke it?
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2018-08-02 05:12:45	lukelau	Gurkenglas: It’s exposed via a code action currently
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2018-08-02 05:18:47	Gurkenglas	lukelau: How do I invoke a code action?
2018-08-02 05:19:14	lukelau	In vscode its the little lightbulb thing
2018-08-02 05:19:41	Gurkenglas	Ah I'm probably going to be getting those once the /r/n thing is resolved.
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2018-08-02 06:45:58	Gurkenglas	(oh hey I just saw a quickfix for a file that hasn't been corrupted by my /r/n yet, it inserted an import for a notinscope identifier for me, neat)
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2018-08-02 06:59:33	Gurkenglas	lukelau: "Module `Control.Monad.Error' is deprecated:   Use "Control.Monad.Except" instead" is another candidate for a quickfix, right?
2018-08-02 07:00:08	Gurkenglas	(btw it would be good if import insertion preserved indentation alignment)
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2018-08-02 07:15:17	crayfishx9	A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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2018-08-02 07:28:59	anticrisis	I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
2018-08-02 07:28:59	anticrisis	Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
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2018-08-02 08:51:09	jamesl	A fascinating blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
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2018-08-02 10:58:10	wz1000	interesting, does anyone else get join/part messages for these spambots?
2018-08-02 11:01:29	--	Mode #haskell-ide-engine [+o wz1000] by ChanServ
2018-08-02 11:04:26	--	Mode #haskell-ide-engine [+rt]
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2018-08-02 11:08:51	@wz1000	alanz: Can you try adding +n to the modelock?
2018-08-02 11:10:22	@wz1000	I think the -n in the modelock is causing our trouble
2018-08-02 11:11:30	@wz1000	 /msg chanserv set mlock #haskell-ide-engine +n should do the trick
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2018-08-02 11:27:48	--	Mode #haskell-ide-engine [-o wz1000] by ChanServ
2018-08-02 11:30:14	alanz	wz1000, will do. And I guess I need to operator first
2018-08-02 11:31:00	--	Mode #haskell-ide-engine [+o alanz] by ChanServ
2018-08-02 11:31:24	--	Mode #haskell-ide-engine [+n] by ChanServ
2018-08-02 11:31:45	--	Mode #haskell-ide-engine [-o alanz] by ChanServ
2018-08-02 11:31:53	alanz	wz1000, done, I think
2018-08-02 11:32:41	wz1000	alanz: yeah. btw can you see any join/part messages for the bots 
2018-08-02 11:33:02	wz1000	Because I think they are sending external messages, without joining the channel
2018-08-02 11:33:18	alanz	agree, all I see are the messages
2018-08-02 11:33:36	wz1000	yeah, the -n in the modelock was allowing them to do that
2018-08-02 11:33:47	alanz	ok, live and learn
2018-08-02 11:33:56	 *	alanz restarting quickly
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2018-08-02 11:35:56	wz1000	alanz: btw, the +n might screw up the github bot
2018-08-02 11:36:08	alanz	I was wondering about that
2018-08-02 11:36:10	wz1000	I'm not sure how it works
2018-08-02 11:36:28	alanz	Will wait for the spam storm to end before worrying too much
2018-08-02 11:36:46	alanz	I set it up a long time ago, not sure how I did it
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2018-08-02 11:37:04	alanz	but it would not surprise me if github goes to the trouble of registering on the channel
2018-08-02 11:37:31	wz1000	I don't see any github bot in the userlist
2018-08-02 11:38:31	alanz	I think it joins, messages, then leaves
2018-08-02 11:38:33	alanz	perhaps
2018-08-02 11:38:45	alanz	but using a registered nick.
2018-08-02 11:38:54	alanz	no idea, tbh
2018-08-02 11:50:18	alanz	just merged a PR on haskell-lsp.
2018-08-02 11:50:26	alanz	But I think it is not connected here
2018-08-02 11:52:02	alanz	in the github docs "/msg ChanServ set #CHANNELNAME mlock -nc"
2018-08-02 11:53:16	alanz	wz1000, I can set a nick/password in the webhook
2018-08-02 11:53:27	alanz	So I guess we should create one
2018-08-02 12:08:49	wz1000	alanz: yeah, i think thats the way the github bot on ghc works
2018-08-02 12:10:20	alanz	ok, will do it some time if the enthusiasm strikes. 
2018-08-02 12:10:41	alanz	or if anyone wants to DM me a nick/password I will add them to the hook
2018-08-02 12:11:47	wz1000	hie-github or something
2018-08-02 12:11:54	wz1000	password whatever
2018-08-02 12:12:48	alanz	I mean create the user, I think I would have to log out, log in as something else, create it, etc. And lazy right now
2018-08-02 12:13:09	wz1000	oh, github doesn't do that?
2018-08-02 12:13:10	alanz	Else we wait for the storm to end and go back to the prior setup
2018-08-02 12:13:36	alanz	I don't think so. Why would it ask for the pw if so?
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2018-08-02 13:35:51	wz1000	alanz: do you know where the tests for pretty printing of Types/IfaceTypes are?
2018-08-02 13:45:18	alanz	wz1000, in ghc?
2018-08-02 13:45:26	alanz	no, I don't
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2018-08-02 16:23:35	Gurkenglas	How do I find out whether there are no diagnostics or I must wait more?
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2018-08-02 17:11:51	Gurkenglas	"Got error while processing diagnostics: <command line>: cannot satisfy -package-id hie-plugin-api-0.2.2.0-FhjHNlAg3eH7PYLXZEbVSM (use -v for more information)" from VS Code. Should we be logging these to github automatically or something?
2018-08-02 17:18:25	wz1000	Gurkenglas: does `stack build` work?
2018-08-02 17:20:25	Gurkenglas	wz1000: It does, and the error is gone after I restart VS Code. That's a reason why there should be more automatic logging on this :P
2018-08-02 17:20:34	Gurkenglas	(Until I did, the problems page just stayed empty)
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2018-08-03 01:12:40	lukelau	Working on the new hierarchical symbols specification: https://lukelau.me/hierarchicalSymbols.png
2018-08-03 01:13:27	alanz	nice
2018-08-03 01:14:00	alanz	I am looking at harvesting commonality for the hover stuff
2018-08-03 01:14:13	alanz	particularly the interval map, and reverse lookup stuff
2018-08-03 01:14:32	lukelau	Will be good to make that stuff reusable
2018-08-03 01:15:11	alanz	agree. Less future bugs
2018-08-03 01:15:13	lukelau	I made a pluginSymbolProvider for this by the way, you might be able to get some liquid haskell specific information in
2018-08-03 01:15:49	alanz	symbols is the thing that highlights other instances of the same thing?
2018-08-03 01:16:14	lukelau	I don’t think so
2018-08-03 01:16:25	alanz	is it in master?
2018-08-03 01:16:27	lukelau	It’s just a big list of declarations/typeclasses etc
2018-08-03 01:16:46	lukelau	DocumentSymbols? Yes but not the new v 3.10 kinds 
2018-08-03 01:17:02	alanz	oh, for the hierarchical thing. sorry, thinking of the wrong stuff
2018-08-03 01:17:04	lukelau	It’s the thing that shows up when you press ctrl + shift + o in vscode
2018-08-03 02:55:41	lukelau	Is it possible for a module to be cached that doesn’t have the renamed/typechecked source available?
2018-08-03 02:56:43	alanz	lukelau, I think we should do that
2018-08-03 02:57:08	alanz	cache it as the various pieces, and store whatever the pipeline got to
2018-08-03 02:57:38	alanz	parsed, renamed, typechecked
2018-08-03 03:24:07	lukelau	I was thinking we could do a lot more work without the typechecked module
2018-08-03 03:24:27	lukelau	E.g. the symbols only need the parsed module
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2018-08-03 05:47:37	Gurkenglas	It looks like VS Code is running more than one hie.exe instance
2018-08-03 05:49:30	Gurkenglas	Anyone got objections to adding lens to the dependencies of hie-plugin-api?
2018-08-03 05:54:49	Gurkenglas	Is there a thing to restart the current hie.exe so I don't have to restart VS Code?
2018-08-03 05:55:35	Gurkenglas	Can it possibly help hie along to run stack test --only-configure in a terminal on the side or am I seeing data in noise?
2018-08-03 06:10:21	Gurkenglas	ideDispatcher's queueActions puts new actions at the front of the queue, is that how it's supposed to be?
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2018-08-03 06:28:21	Gurkenglas	Why isn't MonadMTState just MonadState?
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2018-08-03 10:21:56	Gurkenglas	I think a thing that makes VS Code's hie stop updating its problems until the next restart is removing an import line
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2018-08-03 12:10:10	Gurkenglas	Do we have a code action planned for adding a package that contains an import statement from a module?
2018-08-03 12:11:32	alanz	Gurkenglas, I think lukelau already added that. But the problem is where/how to add the package. cabal does not roundtrip, there are alternate package formats, etc
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2018-08-03 14:55:42	lukelau	Gurkenglas alanz: for package.yaml hopefully we can use that round trip yaml GSOC project
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2018-08-04 02:06:43	lukelau	Gurkenglas: you can reload the window to restart the language server
2018-08-04 02:11:34	lukelau	alanz: Mind if I create a new verison of haskell-lsp?
2018-08-04 02:24:20	alanz	lukelau, go for it
2018-08-04 03:03:32	lukelau	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/releases/tag/0.5.0.0
2018-08-04 03:04:43	lukelau	Can anyone upload packages to hackage or does it have to be the person who uploaded it originally
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2018-08-04 03:27:21	Gurkenglas	"Perhaps you meant" indicates another ghc-mod quickfix source.
2018-08-04 03:35:25	lukelau	Heya Gurkenglas, not sure if you saw this message but if you want to restart hie.exe from vscode you can just do ctrl + p > reload window
2018-08-04 03:35:32	lukelau	Much faster than opening and closign the app
2018-08-04 03:36:10	lukelau	And vscode will run multiple hie.exe instances if you open multiple files in different “workspaces"
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2018-08-04 06:31:47	Gurkenglas	Another quickfix source: "Found type wildcard `_' standing for `IdeErrorCode'"
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2018-08-04 10:33:28	Gurkenglas	Another quickfix source: Whenever ghc-mod mentions a language extension, we could suggest that we add it
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2018-08-04 13:53:33	Gurkenglas	soooooooo if I've been editing submodules in what I'm doing it's going to be more than a PR needed to get that to happen, eh? ._.
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2018-08-04 15:16:45	alanz	lukelau, I have uploaded haskell-lsp-0.5.0.0 to hackage
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2018-08-05 00:26:21	Gurkenglas	VS Code doesn't track changes I made to submodules? Am I doing something wrong?
2018-08-05 00:27:11	Gurkenglas	(Oh I just have to click on the other repositories)
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2018-08-05 03:05:22	lukelau	alanz: Thanks, should have lsp-test uploaded to hackage tonight!
2018-08-05 03:05:50	lukelau	Gurkenglas those would be great, there’s a goldmine of possible code actions for ghc mod
2018-08-05 03:06:14	lukelau	Also if you’re editing the submodules you’ll need to fork them on github and make sure to make a PR for your changes there
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2018-08-05 12:18:01	Gurkenglas	I don't think https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/41499bccc9c51e919fed05c6631b365a0209a32a/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/HieExtras.hs#L342 catches exceptions thrown in computations deferred like in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/883e55241f05a73efcac3950e4af20db1ecbf88b/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/ModuleCache.hs#L148
2018-08-05 12:18:05	Gurkenglas	Is that intended?
2018-08-05 12:32:04	Gurkenglas	((I think I'll try having it catch such exceptions too.))
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2018-08-05 15:39:51	alanz	lukelau, congratulations on publishing your package
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2018-08-05 17:56:54	lukelau	alanz: Thanks! Hopefully the first of many :)
2018-08-05 17:57:15	alanz	yes indeed
2018-08-05 17:59:14	lukelau	Gurkenglas: I think we want to throw those exceptions that happen in IdeM
2018-08-05 18:06:36	lukelau	alanz: What SMT solver did you install for liquid haskell?
2018-08-05 18:08:14	alanz	z3
2018-08-05 18:13:39	lukelau	I’m trying to check out your PR now
2018-08-05 18:16:43	alanz	there is a testdata directory with an approriate setup, load the file Evens.hs, make a minor edit, and when you save it the liquid haskell stuff should show up
2018-08-05 18:17:26	alanz	or make a project somewhere, download some examples from the liquid haskell tutorial, then run "liquid filename.hs" on it, to generate the reports
2018-08-05 18:17:50	alanz	That is the next bit I am working on, to run liquid on save, wait for it to end, and generate the diagnostics
2018-08-05 18:18:11	alanz	which has all the scheduling, one only etc issues that running a ghc compile has too
2018-08-05 18:18:39	alanz	Contemplating how to abstract that. And to chain it too, no point invoking liquid if the compile fails
2018-08-05 18:18:52	alanz	but one step at a time
2018-08-05 18:22:05	lukelau	Are those vim.annot files generated by loquid?
2018-08-05 18:22:09	lukelau	liquid
2018-08-05 18:22:23	lukelau	Or is that like a vim specific plugin for liquid
2018-08-05 18:27:58	alanz	everything in the .liquid dir is generated by liquid
2018-08-05 18:28:07	alanz	they provide lots of options for integration
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2018-08-05 22:32:57	lukelau	alanz: It works! https://lukelau.me/liquid.png
2018-08-05 22:35:49	alanz	:)
2018-08-05 23:17:05	lukelau	Re https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/735, would it just be simpler to make constants for the keys?
2018-08-05 23:17:21	lukelau	i.e. instead of (“package”, packageDescriptor “package”)
2018-08-05 23:17:38	lukelau	let packageId = “package” in (packageId, packageDescriptor)
2018-08-05 23:18:00	lukelau	That should be enough so that you could do `mkLspCommand packageId “add” title (Just cmdParams)`
2018-08-05 23:20:02	alanz	except that the packages are declared in MainHie which is an exe
2018-08-05 23:20:18	alanz	and intended to be the point you can easily add/configure the packages in use
2018-08-05 23:21:26	alanz	But then again, we don't really have a good story for having a diversity of modules, where some people potentially run their own, or exclude ones they don't want
2018-08-05 23:21:27	lukelau	Ah so hie-library won’t be able to see it
2018-08-05 23:21:36	alanz	or use alternatives, e.g. a different formatter
2018-08-05 23:22:52	lukelau	I guess as long as its easy for tool developers to create and add their own plugins
2018-08-05 23:23:34	lukelau	So how exactly would we reference the plugins again from mkLspCommand?
2018-08-05 23:26:11	alanz	well, if we passed the name into the packageDescriptor, then access it when we need it
2018-08-05 23:26:59	lukelau	Ok so there should be another pluginId field in PluginDescriptor then
2018-08-05 23:27:34	alanz	yes, or it gets filled in via that parameter
2018-08-05 23:34:04	lukelau	And then that id gets propagated in the packageDescriptor/ghcmodDescriptor constructor to the command/codeaction providers, which use that to set their id?
2018-08-05 23:37:08	alanz	yes
2018-08-05 23:38:06	alanz	as per my comment at https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/735#issuecomment-409897872
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2018-08-06 00:48:54	lukelau	alanz: I figured we might as well just get rid of the tuple if we’re specifying the id in plugindescriptor: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/735/commits/e4a7823221e2720cf4eb5ca2792a38703517aa6d
2018-08-06 00:50:08	alanz	agree
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2018-08-06 13:42:03	Gurkenglas	Weeeeeird my local newTypeCmd is "Position -> FilePath -> IDErring IdeM [(Range, T.Text)]" but https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blame/3d1a56407a8f68769249ad768965b0d6365482f9/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/GhcMod.hs#L271 lists Uri as having been there loooong
2018-08-06 13:42:59	Gurkenglas	(I probably accidentally deleted the pluginGetFile line at some point? ...)
2018-08-06 13:44:24	Gurkenglas	Oh I think I remember why. Never mind me, think about the github issues I posted instead :D
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2018-08-06 16:52:26	Gurkenglas	Should my VS Code have 3 hie.exes running?
2018-08-06 16:52:32	lukelau	alanz: https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/pull/538
2018-08-06 16:55:53	alanz	nice
2018-08-06 16:57:18	lukelau	Seems like they forgot to add it to the spec, since its already in vscode
2018-08-06 16:57:46	lukelau	Gurkenglas: Depends on how many folders you have opne
2018-08-06 16:58:50	Gurkenglas	https://image.ibb.co/bLmg8z/ramoverload.png lukelau, only the haskell-ide-engine github clone folder
2018-08-06 16:58:52	lukelau	Also your message from yesterday about catching exceptions, I think the we want to throw most excpeions that occur and crash hie early, catching ghc-mod is an exception
2018-08-06 16:59:12	lukelau	No pun intended
2018-08-06 17:00:05	lukelau	I sometimes just reload the window to restart the language server
2018-08-06 17:01:55	Gurkenglas	lukelau: But https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/41499bccc9c51e919fed05c6631b365a0209a32a/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/HieExtras.hs#L342 catches only the ghc-mod exceptions that are fired before the next defer
2018-08-06 17:03:12	lukelau	Maybe move that gm.gcatches into the withcachedmoduleanddata?
2018-08-06 17:05:24	Gurkenglas	lukelau: No, the problem is that deferred operations are put in the queue for that file path, and the worker who later executes it doesn't know exceptions are supposed to be caught
2018-08-06 17:05:41	Gurkenglas	(I'm speculating all of this)
2018-08-06 17:07:03	Gurkenglas	oh, moving it inside might trigger the catches part only once the deferring is done
2018-08-06 17:07:33	Gurkenglas	but I still think the right fix would be to lift ExceptionMonad into Response right
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2018-08-06 17:13:50	lukelau	I’m confused
2018-08-06 17:14:17	lukelau	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/3d1a56407a8f68769249ad768965b0d6365482f9/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/GhcMod.hs#L194
2018-08-06 17:14:46	lukelau	We just want to really catch exceptions that happen inside ghc-mod
2018-08-06 17:15:01	lukelau	Not necessarly IdeGhcM inside hie
2018-08-06 17:15:52	alanz	why is there an exception handler in hieExtras anyway?
2018-08-06 17:16:31	alanz	since we catch exceptions at the dispatcher now anyway, iirc
2018-08-06 17:17:06	lukelau	I think it’s leftover cruft
2018-08-06 17:17:45	alanz	so probably simplest to just remove it
2018-08-06 17:18:05	alanz	and if we ever find a specific reason to have it there, then we put it in
2018-08-06 17:22:43	Gurkenglas	alanz: I suspect ghc-mod's exceptions don't automatically result in an IdeError
2018-08-06 17:23:17	Gurkenglas	And that piece of code in hieExtras is supposed to funnel the ghc-mod exceptions into IdeError
2018-08-06 17:23:23	alanz	Gurkenglas, they do. That is how we get build errors
2018-08-06 17:24:29	alanz	look in the GhcMod plugin
2018-08-06 17:26:15	Gurkenglas	ah ok, I just didnt remember Dispatcher having something that would do it
2018-08-06 17:26:57	Gurkenglas	Do all tests pass on master (or a recent version)?
2018-08-06 17:29:13	alanz	Gurkenglas, yes, checked via circleci and appveyor
2018-08-06 17:29:23	alanz	and stack test locally should pass too
2018-08-06 17:34:11	lukelau	They probably won’t pass on windows, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/713
2018-08-06 17:34:59	alanz	ah yes, I forgot about that. Building but not testing on appveyor. Damn.
2018-08-06 17:42:02	lukelau	Thats pretty much my fault since I think most of the tests work bar lsp-test (woops)
2018-08-06 17:43:08	lukelau	I’m wondering if I could spin up an Azure vm or something to test out this windows stuff
2018-08-06 17:43:44	lukelau	I think I have some free credits for it from university and I don’t want to have to install a windows partition again
2018-08-06 17:55:35	Gurkenglas	alanz: Doesn't pass locally https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/5076bffe9f6ba576dd181c9a75378409
2018-08-06 17:56:10	alanz	windows?
2018-08-06 17:56:16	Gurkenglas	alanz: yep
2018-08-06 17:56:24	alanz	see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/713
2018-08-06 18:22:18	Gurkenglas	RequestCancelled should be an IdeError, right?
2018-08-06 18:24:10	alanz	Gurkenglas, what are you talking about?
2018-08-06 18:26:31	Gurkenglas	alanz: checkCancelled calls 'errorHandler lid J.RequestCancelled ""' and ideDispatcher could let that be handled by the same machinery that handles NoModuleAvailable
2018-08-06 18:28:42	alanz	the one that says TODO?
2018-08-06 18:30:26	Gurkenglas	yes, but I thought that's about making another code to replace that "InternalError"
2018-08-06 18:56:13	lukelau	Gurkenglas: That InternalError code is returned whenever there’s no typechecked module available at all to return the request and when it can’t be deferred
2018-08-06 18:56:44	lukelau	There’s a scenario where that arises, I can’t exactly remember when, but when it does I respond to the request instead of just leaving it hanging
2018-08-06 18:56:55	lukelau	But I couldn’t think of the appropriate error code to respond with
2018-08-06 19:00:20	lukelau	Gurkenglas: I think its when we try to defer the module but the module fails to load
2018-08-06 19:00:57	lukelau	And there’s no previously cached module to fall back on
2018-08-06 19:11:10	lukelau	alanz: https://gitlab.com/alanz/ghc-mod/commit/9e07bc0429c59382a76cfeda21ac3d70e2a7d938#093750a6ac6f012af34fc2e00aeed50d514bc053_0_123 Would it make sense to store the entire typechecked module in here, so that we could access the parse result etc. if typechecking fails?
2018-08-06 19:11:57	lukelau	And then in ghc provide an interface to the plugins that allows them to specify what part of the module they want to wait on, e.g. the symbol provider only needs the parse result, diagnostics needs typechecker etc.
2018-08-06 19:12:34	lukelau	That way we don’t need to rely on the cached modules as much and if the document doesnt fully compile on first load we can still provide some features
2018-08-06 19:13:00	alanz	lukelau, we would have to modify that so that we actually return the parts that succeed, even if a later stage fails.
2018-08-06 19:13:29	alanz	because I think if e.g. parsing fails, or renaming, the pipeline aborts through an exception
2018-08-06 19:13:42	alanz	so at the moment it is all or nothing
2018-08-06 19:13:42	lukelau	In the ghc api?
2018-08-06 19:14:02	lukelau	Or does ghc-mod throw the exception
2018-08-06 19:14:46	lukelau	Wait isn’t this what wz1000 is doing?
2018-08-06 19:15:04	alanz	https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/8.4.3/docs/html/libraries/ghc-8.4.3/GHC.html#t:TypecheckedModule
2018-08-06 19:16:08	lukelau	Could we also use https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-8.4.3/docs/GHC.html#v:parseModule somehow then/
2018-08-06 19:16:11	lukelau	*then?
2018-08-06 19:16:24	lukelau	Would seem wasteful to parse it twice though
2018-08-06 19:16:37	alanz	I am not sure. But we would have to experiment with that code to see what happens. Simplest would be to update the TVar or whatever, to have a Maybe for parsed, renamed, typechecked
2018-08-06 19:16:50	alanz	and update it after each stage
2018-08-06 19:17:06	alanz	so that even if an exception happens we still have the best known result
2018-08-06 19:18:52	lukelau	I’d defeinitely like to try that out at some point, but I was just spitballing
2018-08-06 19:19:14	lukelau	By the way that LSP PR just got merged, that was quick!
2018-08-06 19:19:55	alanz	awesome. They usually want you to sign a CLA or something first
2018-08-06 19:20:12	lukelau	I didn’t have to for some reason, that microsoft bot showed up as checked when I created it
2018-08-06 19:20:23	lukelau	I must have signed it previously at some point
2018-08-06 19:21:21	alanz	or maybe because of the kind of change, documenting what is already there, it is not needed
2018-08-06 19:21:38	alanz	anyway, it is up to date is the main thing
2018-08-06 19:22:13	lukelau	Those haskell-lsp PRs should be ready to go then
2018-08-06 19:23:11	lukelau	Do you know why docbuilder failed on hackage? I saw you manually uploaded the docs
2018-08-06 19:23:23	alanz	ok, will take a look, but only a bit later
2018-08-06 19:23:45	alanz	the build failed because I uploaded haskell-lsp before haskell-lsp-types
2018-08-06 19:24:02	alanz	but then I asked hvr to help, and he kicked the docbuilder and they got built
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2018-08-06 20:17:57	lukelau	alanz: Should we create a new release of haskell-lsp?
2018-08-06 20:18:36	alanz	do you need it for your stuff?
2018-08-06 20:18:41	alanz	in which case I will do it.
2018-08-06 20:18:47	alanz	the right way round, this time 
2018-08-06 20:19:06	lukelau	Just lsp-test, but then my document symbol branch needs an updated lsp-test for tests to pass
2018-08-06 20:19:21	lukelau	Should I switch lsp-test to use submodules instead? At the moment its just using cabal/hackage deps
2018-08-06 20:20:58	alanz	no, its good to get into the habit of publishing this stuff, it's starting to slow down in terms of changes
2018-08-06 20:22:56	lukelau	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/releases/tag/0.6.0.0
2018-08-06 20:23:55	alanz	slow down, I will do it
2018-08-06 20:24:07	alanz	I want to update the changelog, and tweak a few other things
2018-08-06 20:26:37	lukelau	Woops, feel free to delete that
2018-08-06 20:29:58	alanz	lukelau, do we have this: https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/gh-pages/specification.md#goto-type-definition-request-leftwards_arrow_with_hook
2018-08-06 20:30:10	alanz	goto typedefinition?
2018-08-06 20:30:35	lukelau	No, just the client capability types for it
2018-08-06 20:31:30	alanz	ok, and we are missing the handler for the textdocument/implementation message, I will plug something in so long 
2018-08-06 20:32:40	lukelau	Wait never mind
2018-08-06 20:32:42	lukelau	We do have it
2018-08-06 20:32:44	lukelau	??
2018-08-06 20:33:29	lukelau	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/f0f490bfe0f027e2bd785230289691e54de5bba9/haskell-lsp-types/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/TH/DataTypesJSON.hs#L1819
2018-08-06 20:33:45	lukelau	I have no recollection of addinfg this
2018-08-06 20:34:00	alanz	yes, we have that, but not the handler for it. So I am adding that in so long
2018-08-06 20:34:27	lukelau	Ok
2018-08-06 20:34:32	alanz	We need to go back to compiling our tests with -Werror. hackage refused to accept the upload that wau
2018-08-06 20:34:37	alanz	which sucks for us
2018-08-06 20:35:18	lukelau	Are we generating any warnings?
2018-08-06 20:36:12	alanz	checking now
2018-08-06 20:36:22	alanz	with a local build
2018-08-06 20:36:38	lukelau	Just did one, I’m not getting any errors on 8.4.3
2018-08-06 20:37:24	lukelau	`cabal check` says -Werror will cause hackage to reject it
2018-08-06 20:38:06	alanz	yes
2018-08-06 20:39:02	alanz	ok, I got rid of that one warning in my gist
2018-08-06 20:40:33	alanz	and I am just updating some of the stack.yaml files
2018-08-06 20:43:30	lukelau	👍
2018-08-06 20:50:38	lukelau	alanz: Is it ok if I create new tickets for each of those lsp features?
2018-08-06 20:50:47	lukelau	We’re very close to catching up
2018-08-06 20:51:15	alanz	yes, its easier to track that way, I think
2018-08-06 20:51:46	alanz	I am getting close to finalising the tweaks I want to make for 0.6
2018-08-06 21:01:20	alanz	lukelau, waiting for https://circleci.com/workflow-run/d567e431-baa9-4d03-b8f3-d14222ba1c7a
2018-08-06 21:08:08	lukelau	Awesome, I’ll update lsp-test after and then get the document symbol PR ready
2018-08-06 21:08:19	lukelau	I’ll also try to update the request handlers in that too
2018-08-06 21:09:06	alanz	great
2018-08-06 21:13:32	alanz	circle: 
2018-08-06 21:13:32	alanz	Your current usage represents 474% of your alanz Linux plan's limit. Please upgrade in order to ensure no disruption in building.
2018-08-06 21:13:38	alanz	hmmm
2018-08-06 21:13:47	alanz	6 Aug. Gonna be a long month
2018-08-06 21:13:59	lukelau	Ah they’ve caught on you too
2018-08-06 21:14:02	lukelau	*onto
2018-08-06 21:14:17	alanz	well, its just a warning so long
2018-08-06 21:14:18	lukelau	I’ve been pushing a bit less often
2018-08-06 21:14:41	alanz	and I am hoping that when they really go for me I can plead important OSS infrastructure
2018-08-06 21:15:43	alanz	uploaded, now we wait for clean on https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp-types
2018-08-06 21:15:49	alanz	before I upload the main one
2018-08-06 21:16:44	alanz	lukelau, do you want to make github happy on that 0.6.0.0 tag to actually be a release?
2018-08-06 21:16:53	alanz	I have never bothered with that
2018-08-06 21:17:07	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/releases
2018-08-06 21:18:28	lukelau	Do you create the tags from the command line?
2018-08-06 21:18:33	alanz	yes
2018-08-06 21:18:45	alanz	git tag -m "0.6.0.0" 0.6.0.0
2018-08-06 21:18:45	lukelau	I mainly did the releases since it creates the tags for you
2018-08-06 21:18:52	lukelau	I always forgot to git push —tags
2018-08-06 21:18:53	alanz	then git push --tags
2018-08-06 21:19:18	alanz	I am using git to store my repos, dont have to drink *all* their koolaid
2018-08-06 21:19:40	 *	alanz says using issue tracker, pr's, mail, ...
2018-08-06 21:21:27	lukelau	It would be nice if there was a self-hosted github
2018-08-06 21:21:31	lukelau	Wait I think there is
2018-08-06 21:21:41	lukelau	Don’t they have like an enterprise version?
2018-08-06 21:21:43	lukelau	For $$$
2018-08-06 21:22:24	alanz	yes
2018-08-06 21:22:33	alanz	and gitlab has a community edition you can host
2018-08-06 21:23:05	 *	alanz going afk for a bit, will check in on the build in half an hour
2018-08-06 21:24:16	lukelau	I think its done
2018-08-06 21:24:23	lukelau	all green
2018-08-06 21:54:15	alanz	*now* it's green. Need 8.2 too
2018-08-06 21:55:16	alanz	and 0.6 for haskell-types is on hackage
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2018-08-06 22:14:44	lukelau	Updating lsp-test now
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2018-08-07 02:16:01	lukelau	Well I made a bit of a faux pas
2018-08-07 02:16:07	lukelau	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp-0.6.0.0/docs/Language-Haskell-LSP-Types-Capabilities.html#t:LSPVersion
2018-08-07 02:16:18	lukelau	Exported the type but forgot to export the constructor lol
2018-08-07 02:18:25	alanz	oops
2018-08-07 02:18:41	alanz	well, make a PR, we can put out another one. It happens.
2018-08-07 02:18:52	lukelau	It’s not urgent, but I should have written a test
2018-08-07 02:20:06	alanz	well, if you learn from the experience then it is a win.
2018-08-07 02:20:39	alanz	I am doing a poor job of checking, but I generally rely on actual use to show things up. As you have found now
2018-08-07 02:20:52	alanz	And tests are the first actual use
2018-08-07 02:29:12	lukelau	Ironic that my project was a testing framework but I forgot to use it
2018-08-07 02:29:24	lukelau	I need a boot under the desk that kicks me before I push to remind me to write tests
2018-08-07 02:30:21	alanz	yes. It is experience though, after a while you realise that it is easier to write the tests, because it takes less time, compared to having to patch up later
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2018-08-07 13:27:14	Gurkenglas	Can I have a look at the logs since yesterday? I think I missed a ping
2018-08-07 13:47:36	Gurkenglas	Why isn't completedReq called in every dispatcher case?
2018-08-07 14:00:30	Gurkenglas	Shouldnt https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/0b3632d1a36764d5377ae1bd0c54753e9101fa05/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Dispatcher.hs#L164 and 168 be within one atomically?
2018-08-07 14:14:42	Gurkenglas	(Oh, it is, my mistake.)
2018-08-07 14:26:15	Gurkenglas	Why isn't https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/0b3632d1a36764d5377ae1bd0c54753e9101fa05/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Dispatcher.hs#L151 done via errorHandler?
2018-08-07 15:03:06	Gurkenglas	Where does https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/0b3632d1a36764d5377ae1bd0c54753e9101fa05/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Dispatcher.hs#L142 get NoModuleAvailable? Because L100 has it built in L109
2018-08-07 15:10:22	Gurkenglas	cancelReqsTVar appears to never be actually written to, did I miss it? https://github.com/search?q=cancelReqsTVar&type=Code
2018-08-07 15:14:15	Gurkenglas	Nevermind, there they are https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/test/dispatcher/Main.hs#L155 https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs#L725
2018-08-07 15:21:51	Gurkenglas	Should completedReq fire an assert that lid was in fact in the set?
2018-08-07 15:46:39	Gurkenglas	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/0b3632d1a36764d5377ae1bd0c54753e9101fa05/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Dispatcher.hs#L99 <- https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/0b3632d1a36764d5377ae1bd0c54753e9101fa05/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Dispatcher.hs#L142 seems to address this, should that be used?
2018-08-07 15:53:48	Gurkenglas	How should I tell hie that another module has changed and it should rebuild those?
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2018-08-07 16:58:27	lukelau	Gurkenglas: that parse error return code is definitely wrong
2018-08-07 16:58:56	lukelau	I couldn’t think a suitable code to return, but it definitely shouldn’t be a parse error
2018-08-07 16:59:04	lukelau	You can just save that other module
2018-08-07 16:59:09	lukelau	Or do a little edit to it
2018-08-07 17:06:22	lukelau	https://circleci.com/gh/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/1108?utm_campaign=vcs-integration-link&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=github-build-link
2018-08-07 17:06:43	lukelau	Hackage’s hoogle index seems to fail quite often during CI
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2018-08-07 17:43:10	lukelau	Gurkenglas: re: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/738
2018-08-07 17:43:24	lukelau	Is there a .ghc-environment… in your project dir?
2018-08-07 17:45:15	Gurkenglas	lukelau: https://image.ibb.co/c3ohke/noghcenv.png no
2018-08-07 17:45:47	lukelau	And just to double check doing a stack build works fine?
2018-08-07 17:46:46	Gurkenglas	Yes (except for the compile errors I'm inserting) (though I don't know whether it might also fail once VS Code throws up that error
2018-08-07 17:53:05	Gurkenglas	How do I make a PR out of this? https://github.com/DanielG/ghc-mod/commit/4a3f7c92c499eaec9a0d6e88a1301a7d9e68cd86
2018-08-07 18:02:30	lukelau	Gurkenglas: https://github.com/Gurkenglas/ghc-mod/compare ?
2018-08-07 18:04:50	Gurkenglas	lukelau: what do I compare my ExceptionMonadTransControl branch to?
2018-08-07 18:05:08	Gurkenglas	lukelau: https://github.com/DanielG/ghc-mod/compare/master...Gurkenglas:ExceptionMonadTransControl lists all your previous changes too
2018-08-07 18:06:17	lukelau	I don’t really know what the current workflow/branches are for ghc-mod
2018-08-07 18:06:31	lukelau	Usually you make a PR to the branch that you branched off of
2018-08-07 18:09:04	Gurkenglas	Right, I would like to know this branch that only differs to mine in the commit I made
2018-08-07 18:10:29	Gurkenglas	Going to the ghc-mod folder in submodules in haskell-ide-engine gets me to https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/tree/66fc0980d2c731caf36215969a31bff8ef40f3e2
2018-08-07 18:11:01	Gurkenglas	And trying to make a PR to that gets me https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/compare/master...Gurkenglas:ExceptionMonadTransControl?expand=1 which includes many more commits
2018-08-07 18:14:30	lukelau	Oh you need to make a PR against alanz’s fork
2018-08-07 18:16:14	Gurkenglas	Ah, I have to select the "ghc-8.4-hie" branch
2018-08-07 18:17:08	Gurkenglas	There we go https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/pull/12
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2018-08-07 19:57:07	lukelau	alanz: Do we need to bump the cache number? https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-lsp/397?utm_campaign=vcs-integration-link&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=github-build-link
2018-08-07 19:57:17	lukelau	It’s using an old .stack-work to run the tests
2018-08-07 19:59:06	alanz	if its an old stack work, then bump the cache
2018-08-07 19:59:39	alanz	stack is not so good at managing deps when we have cloned repos/submodules
2018-08-07 19:59:54	alanz	not really what it is supposed to do, I suppose
2018-08-07 20:00:04	alanz	the new pantry thing should help, when it lands
2018-08-07 20:00:27	lukelau	I’m still don’t really understand the ordering of the build steps, why is it that we build it first then restore the cache key?
2018-08-07 20:00:57	lukelau	for stack-work-dirs
2018-08-07 20:02:48	alanz	Not sure, I just copied it from what alexeyraga put in place.
2018-08-07 20:03:05	alanz	let me take a look. I remember looking at it at some point, and it did make sense
2018-08-07 20:03:35	alanz	more to do with storing it now, so that if the next bit fails we have our cache at least
2018-08-07 20:04:49	lukelau	But it does a restore after building, and saves as the very last step
2018-08-07 20:06:11	alanz	so maybe the restore needs to be moved up ahead of the other two build steps
2018-08-07 20:08:52	lukelau	Thats what I’m thinking
2018-08-07 20:11:28	alanz	and I suggest using the same cache-key value everywhere, makes it easier to update using search/replace
2018-08-07 20:15:35	lukelau	Should we make it an environment variable? I read on circle ci that it allows you to bump the cache without making a commit
2018-08-07 20:46:07	alanz	sounds like a plan
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2018-08-07 22:31:06	hexagoxel	anyone have a moment to try reproduce a potential ghc-8.6 bug? compile the "ghc-8.6" branch of brittany
2018-08-07 22:31:17	hexagoxel	i have so far tested with alpha1 and ghc-8.4
2018-08-07 22:31:40	hexagoxel	typed hole seems to be broken in some way in ghc-8.6
2018-08-07 22:32:53	hexagoxel	(you'll need the ghc-8.6-specific setup is why i am asking here, the right branch of ghc-exactprint etc.)
2018-08-07 22:39:25	hexagoxel	maybe i should mention that this does not block anything really, but it just might be somewhat serious for the ghc release
2018-08-07 22:42:40	hexagoxel	wait, if i load ghc as a library, it loads the package environment from the current directory? bwahaha
2018-08-07 22:42:48	hexagoxel	nice spam
2018-08-07 22:43:30	 *	hexagoxel checks if things have improved in the latest alpha
2018-08-07 23:04:41	hexagoxel	no, they have not
2018-08-07 23:06:47	hexagoxel	ah, but the reproduction won't be necessary, it appears to be fixed on alpha2
2018-08-07 23:21:57	hexagoxel	alanz: brittany tests are clean on ghc-8.6.
2018-08-07 23:22:49	hexagoxel	but they spam "Loaded package environment from $MYBUILDDIR/.ghc.environment.x86_64-linux-8.6.0.20180714" line for each testcase :D
2018-08-07 23:27:45	alanz	hexagoxel, cool
2018-08-07 23:27:53	alanz	I *hate* those damn things
2018-08-07 23:28:21	alanz	but rather get spammed, at least you know it is being used
2018-08-07 23:28:31	hexagoxel	true
2018-08-07 23:28:38	alanz	they used to be silent, so the tests would fail building with say stack
2018-08-07 23:28:41	alanz	and no idea why
2018-08-07 23:28:56	alanz	thanks for the brittany update
2018-08-07 23:29:09	alanz	Time to get cabal-helper/ghc-mod working, I guess
2018-08-07 23:31:07	hexagoxel	i have bothered #ghc with this, maybe they know some trick
2018-08-07 23:32:11	hexagoxel	but indeed, disabling the message is rather dangerous. i better remove the env file before running tests instead
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2018-08-08 17:21:02	Gurkenglas	ghc-mod is a submodule of both hie and hie's submodule HaRe. This seems smelly.
2018-08-08 18:23:32	Gurkenglas	"Find all references" seems to only find references within the current file, is there a story behind that?
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2018-08-08 18:34:16	Gurkenglas	Here's ~1k LOC of PR: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/745
2018-08-08 18:34:27	Gurkenglas	(Mostly refactoring)
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2018-08-08 18:59:56	alanz	Gurkenglas, I am not a happy lenser 
2018-08-08 19:00:37	alanz	nor a happy TH'er
2018-08-08 19:55:22	lukelau	Gurkenglas: Have you ran tests on this PR yet? I see there’s lots of changes to dispatcher
2018-08-08 20:13:30	lukelau	I just checked out Gurkenglas’s hie fork and got the shock of my life https://github.com/Gurkenglas/haskell-ide-engine
2018-08-08 20:13:51	lukelau	84.6% javascript! But then I saw it was from 2 years ago lol
2018-08-08 20:14:22	alanz	:)
2018-08-08 21:24:13	wz1000	Gurkenglas: we only end up using one version of ghc-mod when we compile. The submodule in HaRes repo is only used when you run stack build or cabal new-build in the HaRe tree
2018-08-08 21:26:46	alanz	wz1000, what do you think of the proposed changes in that PR?
2018-08-08 23:01:45	alanz	lukelau, there is a DAP adapter for haskell, on hackage. and a vscode plugin for it. Phoityne
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2018-08-09 01:31:54	lukelau	I just read the blog post, was thinking about GHCI’s debut mode
2018-08-09 01:32:04	lukelau	Will check it out
2018-08-09 01:33:27	alanz	which blog post?
2018-08-09 01:34:24	lukelau	https://code.visualstudio.com/blogs/2018/08/07/debug-adapter-protocol-website
2018-08-09 01:35:23	lukelau	*breakpoints don’t know why I wrote debug mode
2018-08-09 01:35:38	alanz	interesting. That is probably why there is suddenly a DAP alpha in emacs-lsp
2018-08-09 01:36:12	alanz	Its something I have had my eye on for a while, from they phoityne perspective (which provided the original base code for HIE).
2018-08-09 01:36:24	alanz	and as a possible solution to the repl problem
2018-08-09 01:37:06	alanz	And I was thinking over the last day how to start up a single hie with both an LSP and a DAP link
2018-08-09 01:37:21	alanz	one of them will have to be some kind of socket based, I think
2018-08-09 01:38:01	alanz	And I also saw that there are people talking about a build protocol, but as a backend to a LSP server, as another server
2018-08-09 01:38:03	lukelau	Is the DAP that old? I thought it was relatively new
2018-08-09 01:38:23	lukelau	Old as in +2 years
2018-08-09 01:38:33	alanz	DAP has been around for a long time. At the top of that post they say they have moved it, to make it more prominent
2018-08-09 01:38:43	alanz	I think vscode is only about that old, tbh
2018-08-09 01:38:55	alanz	which is eternity in the javascript time zone
2018-08-09 01:39:16	lukelau	DAP from what I’ve read also doesn’t use JSON RPC
2018-08-09 01:39:36	lukelau	I think you can use sockets for LSP though right? Or ports or something
2018-08-09 01:39:37	alanz	it uses the same stdio comms as LSP, I htink
2018-08-09 01:39:40	alanz	think
2018-08-09 01:39:48	alanz	based on the phoityne code
2018-08-09 01:40:16	alanz	http://hackage.haskell.org/package/phoityne-vscode
2018-08-09 01:41:08	lukelau	“multi session mode: in this mode the development tool does not start the debug adapter but assumes that it is already running and that it listens on a specific port for connections attempts. For every debug session the development tool initiates a new communication session on the specific port and disconnects at the end of the session.”
2018-08-09 01:41:36	alanz	that can work
2018-08-09 01:41:49	alanz	as I say, I know it exists, but have not looked closely
2018-08-09 01:41:58	lukelau	We would need to support having multiple projects/workspaces
2018-08-09 01:42:11	alanz	and that haskell package implements the server side, so might make a good starting point
2018-08-09 01:42:32	alanz	provided the author is ok with that. I did ask when starting hie, and they are ok
2018-08-09 01:42:55	alanz	That is why the haskell-lsp etc has japanese(I think) comments in various places
2018-08-09 01:43:17	lukelau	Ah so that explains that mysterious Utils file
2018-08-09 01:43:35	lukelau	Installing it now by the way, giving it a try
2018-08-09 01:44:33	alanz	cool
2018-08-09 01:54:47	lukelau	Wow thats neat, you can step through functions and everything
2018-08-09 01:54:58	lukelau	And it seems to work really well with hie
2018-08-09 01:55:22	lukelau	For some reason it seems to have problems stepping over, but running to cursor works fine
2018-08-09 01:56:05	lukelau	This was on a test project though
2018-08-09 01:56:17	lukelau	Time to throw it into hie itself and see how it fares
2018-08-09 01:56:56	alanz	The problem is it runs its own ghc session
2018-08-09 01:57:16	alanz	So at the very least there is extra memory usage
2018-08-09 01:57:39	alanz	and potentially writing stuff to disk at inappropriate times, causing problems
2018-08-09 01:58:09	alanz	where the problems show up as weird unreproducable stuff
2018-08-09 02:00:15	lukelau	Seems to work in hie!
2018-08-09 02:00:19	lukelau	Its pretty slow though
2018-08-09 02:00:51	alanz	what does "slow" mean?
2018-08-09 02:01:09	alanz	slow to start up? slow to react to changes?
2018-08-09 02:01:14	lukelau	Slow to first attach after compiling
2018-08-09 02:01:19	alanz	ok
2018-08-09 02:01:22	lukelau	I can jump through the call stack really quickly
2018-08-09 02:01:29	lukelau	Which is pretty interesting in haskell
2018-08-09 02:01:38	lukelau	Inside a do block its basically just stepping through time
2018-08-09 02:01:41	alanz	If it loads the thing into ghci, then it would be running interpreted code, which is slow
2018-08-09 02:02:02	lukelau	I’m still pretty impressed I must say
2018-08-09 02:02:07	alanz	Personally I am not a great fan of debuggers though
2018-08-09 02:02:28	alanz	A long time ago I realised it is easier to debug with logging and/or tests
2018-08-09 02:02:53	alanz	Rather than manually stepping through to find the exact spot you are trying to look at
2018-08-09 02:03:12	lukelau	Well I can’t debug hie with this connected to a client so its not much use to me
2018-08-09 02:03:40	lukelau	I presume we would need to do some work to ghc-mod though to expose the ghci stuff?
2018-08-09 02:03:42	alanz	that makes sense.
2018-08-09 02:04:02	alanz	there is a discussion on a ghc issue about it, it flared up recently
2018-08-09 02:04:05	alanz	hold on
2018-08-09 02:04:51	alanz	I think it may have been on the #ghc IRC channel
2018-08-09 02:04:55	alanz	some time in the last week
2018-08-09 02:05:06	lukelau	About ghci APIs?
2018-08-09 02:05:27	lukelau	I was reading through this earlier https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-8.4.3/docs/GHCi.html
2018-08-09 02:05:49	lukelau	Although truth be told it doesn’t look like there’s much there
2018-08-09 02:06:05	lukelau	I have no idea how photiyne is doing this all
2018-08-09 02:08:52	lukelau	https://github.com/phoityne/haskell-debug-adapter/blob/master/app/Phoityne/GHCi/Command.hs
2018-08-09 02:08:54	lukelau	Oh jesus
2018-08-09 02:09:04	lukelau	It’s doing this all from the porcelain
2018-08-09 02:09:31	lukelau	Just writing “:step” to stdin etc
2018-08-09 02:10:51	alanz	lukelau, see https://gist.github.com/alanz/8f6325c670247f51fbd31c78692c4d66
2018-08-09 02:11:24	alanz	its a bit chaotic, but that is where it was discussed recently
2018-08-09 02:11:34	alanz	And I think there is a track issue for it now
2018-08-09 02:12:01	alanz	https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/15461
2018-08-09 02:13:56	lukelau	That would make a great gsoc project
2018-08-09 02:14:22	alanz	yes
2018-08-09 02:24:39	lukelau	It sounds like sockets will probably needed for this API
2018-08-09 02:25:38	alanz	That's my take. Together with external interpreter
2018-08-09 02:26:14	alanz	And there is a GHC hook which allows you to return the handles to use when communicating with it
2018-08-09 02:26:25	lukelau	I was just about to ask, pardon my ignorance but what exactly do you mean by the interpreter? 
2018-08-09 02:26:28	lukelau	“the interpreter, with unrestricted IO, but redirected and wrapped"
2018-08-09 02:26:37	alanz	I should whip up a proof of concept some time, or revive the one I did, wherever it is
2018-08-09 02:26:54	lukelau	Is that the part that takes care of reading in the module/compiling it?
2018-08-09 02:27:07	lukelau	Or just reading line by line code as you enter it in to the repl
2018-08-09 02:27:11	alanz	Well, if we create three pipes, and pass them to the external interpreter for stdin, stdout and stderr
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2018-08-09 02:27:43	alanz	then we can control from this side what goes into the stdin one, and read from the other two, wrap it in say a logmessage, and send it to the clien
2018-08-09 02:28:27	alanz	I think I did that somewhere, not idea where though
2018-08-09 02:33:30	alanz	Looks like createIservProcessHook is not set to a value anywhere on github
2018-08-09 02:35:51	alanz	Maybe I should set up an example with it
2018-08-09 02:36:10	lukelau	Sorry was afk
2018-08-09 02:36:16	lukelau	Iserv is ghci?
2018-08-09 02:36:29	lukelau	I would very much be interested in seeing an example
2018-08-09 02:36:50	alanz	iserv is the external interpreter
2018-08-09 02:37:24	alanz	so if you start a ghci session, and use the external interpreter, and set that hook, then you can control what happens
2018-08-09 02:37:53	alanz	I think this is one of those things that is in my head though, and I need to actually do it so people can understand what I mean
2018-08-09 02:40:39	lukelau	Wait so the interpreter is run as a separate process?
2018-08-09 02:40:49	lukelau	I’ll need to do my own reading up on this
2018-08-09 02:41:52	alanz	yes
2018-08-09 02:42:04	lukelau	Reading through https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/Commentary/Compiler/ExternalInterpreter
2018-08-09 02:42:12	alanz	yes, that is the one
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2018-08-09 14:22:00	Gurkenglas	import           Control.Lens.Traversal (traverseOf) <- Why import that when you already import Control.Lens?
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2018-08-09 16:37:47	Gurkenglas	"- windns-0.1.0.0@sha256:c76bd0ad129ea694e1e20c5397a9e58232de656dfafc336ecbe9bf5accb2c1a6" doesn't belong as an extra-dep into the .cabal file, right? That just goes in my global project file even through stack install fails for me without it?
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2018-08-09 17:41:59	alanz	Gurkenglas, I have not idea what that file is. Something to do with windows, I guess, which is its own black art
2018-08-09 17:45:01	Gurkenglas	alanz: no idea what which of those files is?
2018-08-09 17:45:48	alanz	windns-0.1.0
2018-08-09 17:48:20	Gurkenglas	That's a package, cabal-install has it as a dependency on Windows, and stackage doesn't have it
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2018-08-10 01:30:49	lukelau	What does the message that stack gives you say?
2018-08-10 01:31:14	lukelau	alanz: I’m away today and tomorrow but I have a slew of PRs of Haskell-LSP lined up
2018-08-10 01:31:28	lukelau	Didn’t want to create them all at once since the diff would be huge for them
2018-08-10 01:31:29	alanz	lukelau, no problem
2018-08-10 01:31:44	lukelau	I don’t think GitHub updates them if something gets merged into master
2018-08-10 01:31:47	alanz	I just did a sweep through pending stuff earlier, no time driver on my side
2018-08-10 01:32:00	alanz	I agree
2018-08-10 01:32:22	lukelau	I’ll return to that other branch for lenses after, otherwise loads of merge conflicts
2018-08-10 01:33:05	lukelau	What do you think about moving Language.Haskell.LSP.Types into the types package though?
2018-08-10 01:34:23	alanz	I'll have to take a look, hold on
2018-08-10 01:36:11	alanz	Does that include Capabilities?
2018-08-10 01:37:08	lukelau	No, I would put that in Language.Haskell.LSP.Types.Capabilities
2018-08-10 01:37:47	lukelau	But basically get rid of the stub module and rename TH.DataTypesJSON to Types
2018-08-10 01:37:51	alanz	ok, so just Types.hs, which is the re-export
2018-08-10 01:37:57	lukelau	Yeah
2018-08-10 01:38:04	alanz	ok, sounds reasonable
2018-08-10 01:39:14	lukelau	Also now that there’s a load of different modules for the Types we have to use makeFieldsNoPrefix for the lenses in one module
2018-08-10 01:39:38	lukelau	So I was thinking putting all the lenses in Types.Lens, and re-export from Types
2018-08-10 01:39:52	lukelau	It would be pretty easy to forget to add a lens though I’d imagine
2018-08-10 01:40:42	lukelau	But ever since client capabilities started referencing the other types there’s been module dependency hell
2018-08-10 01:41:01	alanz	Which is one of the reasons I did it as a single module initially
2018-08-10 01:41:29	alanz	But there should be a way to do it, I don't think there are any cycles, are there?
2018-08-10 01:45:40	lukelau	Client capabilities refers to datatypesjson which referred to client capabilities
2018-08-10 01:46:30	lukelau	I think datatypesjson has it in the initialise request
2018-08-10 01:46:54	lukelau	And some code action capability refers to a code action type
2018-08-10 01:52:12	alanz	Ok, but I think the ClientCapabilites as per the spec should be in haskell-lsp-types, but the allocation of capablities to versions could possibly stay in haskell-lsp
2018-08-10 01:52:14	alanz	?
2018-08-10 01:59:33	lukelau	That’s the plan
2018-08-10 01:59:51	alanz	ok, sounds good
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2018-08-11 01:58:48	Gurkenglas	On my home machine again. After a recursive clone and "stack exec pacman -- -S make", "stack exec make -- build-all" gives https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/827196901ea2dd060c187122e16a8927
2018-08-11 01:59:18	Gurkenglas	"make: *** No rule to make target 'build-all'.  Stop."
2018-08-11 02:00:18	Gurkenglas	And stack install gives C:\Users\Gurkenglas\Haskell\haskell-ide-engine\safe\: getDirectoryContents:findFirstFile: does not exist
2018-08-11 03:43:40	Gurkenglas	Nuked folder, tried again, problem missing <.< so much for trying to get a clean paste
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2018-08-11 07:33:33	Gurkenglas	""languageServerHaskell.useHieWrapper": true" says "Unknown configuration setting"
2018-08-11 07:34:30	Gurkenglas	Woo it actually works on my home machine!
2018-08-11 07:34:42	Gurkenglas	Including F12
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2018-08-11 07:39:01	Gurkenglas	Ah, but only sometimes. Sometimes it's confused on positions, probably the \r\n thing again
2018-08-11 07:40:13	Gurkenglas	I think it happens less if I've interacted with the file I'm using it in less
2018-08-11 07:40:31	Gurkenglas	Can I make F12 on library/prelude-defined terms go to the definitions?
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2018-08-12 01:48:32	Gurkenglas	Should whether an IdeError has a Value depend on the IdeErrorCode? If so, we could move the Value into the constructor arguments of IdeErrorCode, and maybe give static types
2018-08-12 01:59:58	Gurkenglas	stack build --only-configure doesn't seem to typecheck Dispatcher.hs?
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2018-08-12 15:15:58	Gurkenglas	What is wipReqsTVar good for? I only see its entries being updated, never how that information is used
2018-08-12 15:17:10	Gurkenglas	And where did everyone go? The channel kinda used to be more active.
2018-08-12 15:19:19	Gurkenglas	I'll delete wipReqsTVar and see what happens.
2018-08-12 15:58:30	Gurkenglas	Why isn't the DispatcherEnv part of the MTState IdeM already has?
2018-08-12 16:25:23	lukelau	Gurkenglas: I was just away for a few days, mostly been working on haskell-lsp rather than hie as of recent
2018-08-12 16:25:27	lukelau	alanz: ping
2018-08-12 16:26:17	alanz	lukelau, pong
2018-08-12 16:28:53	Gurkenglas	Is it because the cancel requests tvar must be shared with the non-IdeM code in LspStdio.hs?
2018-08-12 16:28:58	lukelau	I just opened a PR for the new workspace folder stuff, but I’m thinking this should be the type of thing that’s handled more by haskell-lsp rather than just providing the raw request types
2018-08-12 16:29:22	lukelau	i.e. have some sort of functionality in Core.hs the same way we have for rootUri
2018-08-12 16:30:29	alanz	lukelau, I think we can only really do that when it is clear when/how to use it
2018-08-12 16:31:08	alanz	and please wrap the descriptions, the long lines are impossible to read on gh
2018-08-12 16:31:25	lukelau	Ok, I’ll start a branch off in hie for the workspace folder stuff and see where it goes
2018-08-12 16:31:41	lukelau	Yeah sorry about that, was copying/pasting in the documentation verbatim
2018-08-12 16:32:38	Gurkenglas	alanz, why are they impossible to read for you? I can press the rightarrow button on the keyboard (after having clicked anywhere on the code?) to scroll right
2018-08-12 16:33:16	alanz	Gurkenglas, impossible is a relative term. Yes, technically I can scroll to read it. But *having* to scroll is the problem
2018-08-12 16:54:24	alanz	lukelau, thanks for the edit, much easier to read
2018-08-12 16:55:05	alanz	to me it seems like the worspace folders are to support those horrible projects where you stitch together a bit from here and a bit from there, which I remember from my java days
2018-08-12 16:55:29	alanz	I think haskell handles this more cleanly, via all the subproject etc support in stack and cabal
2018-08-12 16:55:55	alanz	So I don't thing there is much need for it in the haskell world. And to me it is an anti-pattern.
2018-08-12 16:56:22	alanz	You end up with a project that can build from the ide, using a cobbled together project definition, but nowhere else
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2018-08-12 18:09:55	Gurkenglas	Doesn't intero have a bunch of these quickfixes implemented already?
2018-08-12 18:49:05	Gurkenglas	Should cancel requests be able to interrupt hie even between checkCancelled ?
2018-08-12 18:58:08	lukelau	alanz: I used vscode’s workspace folder thingy where I had a folder for haskell-lsp, a folder for haskell-ide-engine and a folder for lsp-test but it seemed to work with hie even without workspace-folder support
2018-08-12 18:58:16	lukelau	I think it just ran individual instance of hie for each one
2018-08-12 19:00:08	alanz	yes, but I think the vscode concept is that you stitch together a view of the project by pulling in disparate directories, which then need to be treated as part of the project
2018-08-12 19:00:18	alanz	think of an extra src dir or something
2018-08-12 19:02:32	lukelau	I’ll need to return to this sometime later today or tomorrow by the way, I’m working on a blog post for lsp-test for the final evaluation
2018-08-12 19:02:50	lukelau	I was originally going to just link the github repo but its probably better to do a write up for it
2018-08-12 19:03:50	lukelau	Gurkenglas: what do you mean by interrupt hie?
2018-08-12 19:04:24	Gurkenglas	lukelau, Dispatcher.hs calls checkCancelled. Should it have to? Should cancel requests cancel immediately?
2018-08-12 19:05:12	lukelau	I don’t see any reason why they shouldn’t be cancelled as soon as possible
2018-08-12 19:05:24	lukelau	Less work for hie to do
2018-08-12 19:05:59	Gurkenglas	lukelau, DisPatcherEnv's wip list isn't used anywhere, it's only ever updated
2018-08-12 19:06:05	Gurkenglas	Should we get rid of it?
2018-08-12 19:06:33	lukelau	Not sure, I would check the blame to see who wrote it and maybe ping them
2018-08-12 19:08:38	lukelau	You’ll need to be careful around the dispatcher though, it’s got some finicky logic with deferred responses
2018-08-12 19:09:37	Gurkenglas	Yea my latest PR's been replacing that with FreeT because there's libraries for this :D
2018-08-12 19:09:45	Gurkenglas	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/commit/d27c448c0f04be7f99dadacdcb6e9eb9918b1c33 it was wz1000
2018-08-12 19:09:59	Gurkenglas	Don't see usages of it there either
2018-08-12 19:23:23	wz1000	Gurkenglas: wipReqs is used to prevent memory leaks with canceledReqs
2018-08-12 19:24:02	wz1000	we only add a req to cancelReqs if it is WIP
2018-08-12 19:24:40	wz1000	otherwise there may be race conditions where we have completed a request and the client cancels it
2018-08-12 19:24:50	wz1000	so that request would stick in canceledReqs forever
2018-08-12 19:25:20	Gurkenglas	wz1000, ah I saw that, I forgot about it because I thought you could instead just make the cancel request remove the wip entry and treat that as a cancel request
2018-08-12 19:25:43	wz1000	yes, that could be a more elegant way of solving it
2018-08-12 19:26:43	Gurkenglas	I'm thinking now to have cancel requests throw an exception to the thread that's executing it so we can cancel immediately
2018-08-12 19:27:06	wz1000	I think that would mean ghc-mod would have to do its initialization process all over again
2018-08-12 19:27:24	wz1000	not sure though
2018-08-12 19:27:39	wz1000	ghc-mod is pretty tied to the IdeGhc thread
2018-08-12 19:27:41	Gurkenglas	It would be caught at the level where we're currently doing checkCancelled
2018-08-12 19:28:17	wz1000	ok, try it out and lets see if it works
2018-08-12 19:30:07	wz1000	functionally, though, I doubt there would be any noticeable difference(if we throw an exception that is)
2018-08-12 19:30:52	wz1000	99% of the time cancelRequests are sent when IdeGhc is blocked waiting for GHC to compile something.
2018-08-12 19:31:41	wz1000	and ghc invokations generally cannot be canceled, as they are triggered by LSP notifications, not LSP requests
2018-08-12 19:32:42	wz1000	pretty much everything else should complete near instantaneously, so we don't gain much by cancelling it midway
2018-08-12 21:04:10	Gurkenglas	Maybe we don't even need FreeT - just tell the thread working on that request to wait until the module is available
2018-08-12 21:08:24	wz1000	Gurkenglas: but we only have two worker threads
2018-08-12 21:08:55	Gurkenglas	Why not make a thread for each request?
2018-08-12 21:25:35	lukelau	There’s only one ghc session at a time
2018-08-12 21:25:50	lukelau	Which happens on the IdeGhcM thread
2018-08-12 21:50:04	Gurkenglas	http://hackage.haskell.org/package/persistent-map-0.3.5/docs/Data-TMap.html ohh that sounds incidentally useful for not recompiling everything all the time
2018-08-12 21:50:43	Gurkenglas	man is that old tho
2018-08-12 21:50:51	Gurkenglas	Oh, deprecated lol
2018-08-12 21:53:31	Gurkenglas	I'll just fiddle around with some mvars for now.
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2018-08-12 23:21:04	lukelau	alanz: https://lukelau.me/haskell/posts/lsp-test/
2018-08-12 23:25:37	alanz	lukelau, loooking
2018-08-12 23:28:54	alanz	lukelau, you should expand on the replay stuff, that you take care of directory changes, and message ids ,etc
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2018-08-12 23:30:32	alanz	but it looks good
2018-08-12 23:32:47	alanz	lukelau, another thing, you can change the name of the repo on github, it will reroute the old name to the new
2018-08-12 23:32:52	alanz	if you want to. 
2018-08-12 23:33:07	alanz	And if you *do* want to, best to do it before that blog post gets traction
2018-08-12 23:34:07	lukelau	alanz: I didn’t realise it rerouted it! Thats why I didn’t rename it in the first place. That’s super handy
2018-08-12 23:34:45	alanz	yes, I remember doing it / seeing it done sometime, and being quite impressed
2018-08-12 23:35:08	alanz	if you are nervous, make a test repo, then rename it and confirm what happens
2018-08-12 23:35:28	lukelau	Hopefully I can also later do post on the new plugin provider structure for hie
2018-08-12 23:35:41	lukelau	And how to make a plugin etc.
2018-08-12 23:36:10	alanz	https://help.github.com/articles/renaming-a-repository/
2018-08-12 23:36:22	alanz	yes, that will be good
2018-08-12 23:36:37	alanz	but not vital
2018-08-12 23:36:42	lukelau	https://github.com/Bubba/lsp-test
2018-08-12 23:36:52	alanz	as in, do it if you want to, its not needed for GSOC
2018-08-12 23:36:55	lukelau	And the redirect seems to work too
2018-08-12 23:37:09	alanz	that is what the docs say, in that link I posted
2018-08-12 23:37:45	lukelau	That was painless
2018-08-12 23:38:13	lukelau	I’m filling out my GSoC evaluation at the moment by the way
2018-08-12 23:38:49	lukelau	Hopefully should be done by tonight
2018-08-12 23:41:31	alanz	ok, great. I took a look at the site, and it seems it is all up to you at the moment, my turn comes after, from 14th I think
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2018-08-13 02:43:08	lukelau	alanz: Submitted just there!
2018-08-13 02:43:33	alanz	nice
2018-08-13 02:44:23	alanz	I don't think I see it, perhaps only parts of it when it is my turn to review too
2018-08-13 02:47:48	Gurkenglas	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/commit/477d4714220ede20e1f67b4c60eac8dff95683f0#diff-fb69f899fd005326a13dddab5748049fR148 <- Shouldn't this also have been changed to include the default?
2018-08-13 02:48:02	Gurkenglas	(alanz wrote that)
2018-08-13 02:49:04	alanz	what default?
2018-08-13 02:50:06	Gurkenglas	alanz, that's the commit where you introduced withCachedModuleAndDataDefault. If the file hasn't been cached yet, it calls withCachedModuleAndData after it's available, but shouldn't it call withCachedModuleAndDataDefault then
2018-08-13 02:50:08	Gurkenglas	*?
2018-08-13 02:50:50	Gurkenglas	Right now if it does defer, afterwards it doesn't use the default, throwing an IdeError instead
2018-08-13 02:51:31	alanz	iirc withCacheModuleDefault returns the provided default if there is not currently a cached module
2018-08-13 02:51:43	alanz	so we get an immediate return with an empty value
2018-08-13 02:52:37	alanz	just noticing a particular line is hightlighted in that, hold on
2018-08-13 02:54:28	alanz	Gurkenglas, I think you are right, it should not defer, but return the result immediately
2018-08-13 02:55:19	lukelau	Hate to bring this up again, but should the restoring of the .stack-work cache be moved to before the build step? Same thing that we changed in haskell-lsp https://circleci.com/gh/Bubba/haskell-ide-engine/888?utm_campaign=vcs-integration-link&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=github-build-link
2018-08-13 02:56:00	Gurkenglas	alanz, are you sure? The comments above that look like this is intended "If the module is not already cached, then the callback will be called as soon as it is available."
2018-08-13 02:56:05	alanz	Gurkenglas, we now have UriCacheFailed though, which is set when the ghc compilation of the module fails
2018-08-13 02:56:14	alanz	and that is when the default is used
2018-08-13 02:56:21	Gurkenglas	Right, I agree.
2018-08-13 02:56:50	alanz	because we can check for cached stuff immediately, as we do for other cases, directly in lspstdio
2018-08-13 02:57:01	alanz	lukelau, will look shortly
2018-08-13 02:57:11	Gurkenglas	If the module hasn't failed or been cached yet, we are waiting for that to happen with IdeResponseDeferred. As it is written now, afterwards it discards the default, so if it later turns out to fail, we won't be using it
2018-08-13 02:58:25	alanz	yes, I would have to go into it in more detail to be sure, but that makes sense
2018-08-13 02:58:28	Gurkenglas	I am suggesting to replace "Nothing -> return $ IdeResponseDeferred uri' $ \_ -> withCachedModuleAndData uri callback" with "Nothing -> return $ IdeResponseDeferred uri' $ \_ -> withCachedModuleAndDataDefault uri mdef callback"
2018-08-13 02:59:03	Gurkenglas	Okay, if you agree, I'll just keep writing around on my PR ^^
2018-08-13 02:59:18	Gurkenglas	(which happened to traverse that function atm)
2018-08-13 02:59:40	alanz	Gurkenglas, I would have to look in more detail, to be able to say if I agree or not
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2018-08-13 03:01:17	alanz	lukelau, I am looking at your circle config now
2018-08-13 03:04:19	alanz	lukelau, to me, the restore step at line 55 should be included with the one in line 23.  https://github.com/Bubba/haskell-ide-engine/blob/haskell-lsp-0.6.0.0/.circleci/config.yml#L55
2018-08-13 03:04:41	lukelau	Yes, that was the change I was going to make
2018-08-13 03:05:11	lukelau	I’m not sure if this will solve the issue of stack not detecting submodule changes, but at least when it does it will be during the build and not during thet est
2018-08-13 03:05:13	lukelau	* the test
2018-08-13 03:06:36	alanz	Gurkenglas, I agree with you
2018-08-13 03:07:05	alanz	lukelau, when submodules change from git tags being different, stack is not at all good at noticing
2018-08-13 03:16:54	Gurkenglas	(among my vs code notifications is now "Got error while processing diagnostics: <command line>: cannot satisfy -package-id hie-plugin-api-0.2.2.0-IvIKNnkIXHZIutYelqRHgQ (use -v for more information)")
2018-08-13 03:17:26	lukelau	alanz: What’s the status of https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/735?
2018-08-13 03:39:42	Gurkenglas	Why does hoverProvider use withCachedModuleAndDataDefault if the data is just ()?
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2018-08-13 17:38:11	alanz	lukelau, I see the same issue locally on my build of your command-id-refactor-2 branch. Have you commited your submodule updates?
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2018-08-13 19:46:35	lukelau	alanz: I think that was just me forgetting to update the tests, fixing it now!
2018-08-13 19:59:10	alanz	lukelau, good
2018-08-13 19:59:26	alanz	and code actions from typed holes is definitely something we need to do
2018-08-13 19:59:53	alanz	especially as the support is improving with every GHC release
2018-08-13 20:18:45	lukelau	Its the perfect match for type driven development
2018-08-13 20:19:19	lukelau	I’m getting kind of nervous adding more code actions from ghc-mod when we’re just parsing strings though
2018-08-13 20:19:50	alanz	I agree, but we need to change the actual diagnostic type in ghc, some time
2018-08-13 20:19:57	alanz	there is a ticket for it
2018-08-13 20:20:08	alanz	but the discussion around how to use it is still ongoing
2018-08-13 20:41:54	lukelau	Days since bitten by .ghc.environment: 0
2018-08-13 20:43:27	alanz	I know that feeling
2018-08-13 21:04:57	lukelau	Should we add a nightly stack.yaml to haskell-lsp like in hie?
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2018-08-13 21:44:39	Gurkenglas	Why is VS Code internal terminal output only sometimes hyperlinked to code locations?
2018-08-13 21:47:52	Gurkenglas	Would that be an issue for hie, lsp or VS Code? I'm guessing not the latter, this instability bears the fingerprint of hie :D
2018-08-13 22:53:57	alanz	Gurkenglas, getting bitchy ...
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2018-08-13 23:39:47	Gurkenglas	alanz, have I been generally annoying? Can I do something about that?
2018-08-13 23:40:41	alanz	Gurkenglas, no, its fine, carry on. You are a detail worker, it goes with the territory
2018-08-13 23:53:32	alanz	(or rather that is what it looks like to me)
2018-08-14 00:06:22	lukelau	alanz: I settled to just add a getWorkspaceFolders lsp func for that PR 
2018-08-14 00:06:40	alanz	ok
2018-08-14 00:09:00	alanz	looks fine, we can merge when CI passes
2018-08-14 00:10:11	lukelau	Currently scouring the trac for tickets on diagnostics by the way
2018-08-14 00:10:33	lukelau	The GHC term is message right?
2018-08-14 00:13:50	alanz	search for ones I am cc on, and are open
2018-08-14 00:15:15	alanz	https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/8809
2018-08-14 00:16:12	lukelau	That is a long ticket
2018-08-14 00:20:10	alanz	also, https://github.com/NadineTheBean/ghc-proposals/blob/master/proposals/0000-typeerrormessages.rst
2018-08-14 00:20:24	alanz	lukelau, it is also a very low numbered one
2018-08-14 00:20:40	alanz	this is something that gets discussed all the time
2018-08-14 00:20:51	alanz	but never gets actioned, because it is so pervaasive
2018-08-14 00:23:29	lukelau	That seems like quite a large undertaking
2018-08-14 00:23:32	alanz	https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/wiki/PrettyErrors
2018-08-14 00:25:57	lukelau	I also saw this https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/9173, not sure how related it is
2018-08-14 00:28:36	lukelau	I’m wondering if there’s any parts of this I could take a stab at and maybe learn a bit of ghc
2018-08-14 00:36:26	Gurkenglas	Are all "cachedData :: !(Map.Map TypeRep Dynamic)"s singletons?
2018-08-14 00:36:35	Gurkenglas	(or empty)
2018-08-14 00:38:47	lukelau	singletons?
2018-08-14 00:39:01	lukelau	Like only have one entry?
2018-08-14 00:39:38	Gurkenglas	yes
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2018-08-14 00:49:44	lukelau	I think cachedData is used to store auto completion and something else
2018-08-14 00:49:56	lukelau	Not sure if they share the same data though
2018-08-14 00:53:56	alanz	lukelau, I am about to start using it in the Liquid plugin, probably to store the queues etc to the liquid haskell controller thread
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2018-08-14 01:50:58	lukelau	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/127 is ready for review again
2018-08-14 01:51:09	lukelau	Let me know if the changes are a bit heavy handed
2018-08-14 01:57:33	alanz	ok, will look
2018-08-14 01:58:20	alanz	The required TLC was to get it to be mergeable again, btw
2018-08-14 01:58:23	alanz	at the very least
2018-08-14 02:01:14	alanz	merged it
2018-08-14 02:05:19	lukelau	I put lots of extra love into resolving those merge conflicts :)
2018-08-14 02:05:42	lukelau	I think thats ready for another release then
2018-08-14 02:06:35	alanz	ok
2018-08-14 02:07:11	alanz	Do you want to start preparing that, as a PR?
2018-08-14 02:07:20	alanz	Or I can get to it tomorrow
2018-08-14 02:17:24	lukelau	Sure, I’ll do that now
2018-08-14 02:54:45	Gurkenglas	What exactly is making "Haskell\Ide\Engine\GhcModuleCache.hs:67:1" in terminal output link to code locations?
2018-08-14 02:54:58	Gurkenglas	(in VS Code)
2018-08-14 03:15:10	Gurkenglas	updateCachedModule is non-exhaustive
2018-08-14 03:15:25	Gurkenglas	(might be intended)
2018-08-14 03:43:33	lukelau	Gurkenglas: thats a vscode thing, it just picks up those links
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2018-08-14 11:58:23	alanz	lukelau, apropos folders, see https://code.visualstudio.com/updates/v1_26#_opening-folder-uris
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2018-08-14 12:55:00	alanz	lukelau, uploading haskell-lsp, I get "To use the 'reexported-module' field the package needs to specify at least 'cabal-version: >= 1.22'."
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2018-08-14 15:22:08	sclv	wz1000: how is the merge going?
2018-08-14 15:27:56	lukelau	alanz: Looks like a vs code thing rathern than LSP
2018-08-14 15:28:20	lukelau	But it would be cool if we could maybe add something in vscode-hie-server for exploring hackage URLs or similar
2018-08-14 15:32:18	lukelau	Sorry for letting those warnings slip through
2018-08-14 15:42:22	alanz	lukelau, np on warnings, need to aim for -Wall clean though
2018-08-14 15:42:52	alanz	and the vscode URL thing will appear to us as those folders you just implemented, I presume
2018-08-14 15:43:35	alanz	And is not relevant to the way a haskell project gets set up, and I would prefer not to enable it, it will cause a huge amount of heartache for later haskell devs
2018-08-14 15:43:56	alanz	We have ways of doing it already, via both stack and cabal
2018-08-14 15:48:08	lukelau	Fair enough
2018-08-14 15:48:21	lukelau	I’m not entirely convinced that folder URIs are the same as workspace folders though
2018-08-14 15:49:11	lukelau	I presumed they were the workspace folders in those .workspace files if you go to file > save workspace as
2018-08-14 15:52:00	alanz	I am not sure either, but if I was doing it in code that is what I would do. And I think the description says it is implemented using existing underlying features
2018-08-14 15:53:41	lukelau	Also its nice to see we’re ahead of the game, the new breadcrumb stuff works with the current hie
2018-08-14 15:54:30	lukelau	https://lukelau.me/automator/Screen%20Shot%202018-08-14%20at%2011.23.48.png
2018-08-14 15:54:55	lukelau	I have no idea why it gets truncated to three elipsis though, are you seeing this as well?
2018-08-14 15:55:05	lukelau	*an elipsis
2018-08-14 15:55:22	lukelau	*an ellipsis
2018-08-14 15:58:50	alanz	I have not looked yet
2018-08-14 15:59:55	alanz	how do I open that view?
2018-08-14 16:01:33	lukelau	I believe view > toggle breadcrumb
2018-08-14 16:01:41	lukelau	In the menu bar
2018-08-14 16:02:57	alanz	yes, just did that
2018-08-14 16:02:58	alanz	nice
2018-08-14 16:03:14	lukelau	Is it truncated for you?
2018-08-14 16:03:31	alanz	yes, but i think that is a ui thing
2018-08-14 16:03:46	alanz	and I think in the release notes they talk about settings for it
2018-08-14 16:04:02	alanz	I am happy to have to click on it to get the details
2018-08-14 16:17:51	Gurkenglas	Should requestQueue canonicalize the path as ModuleCache.hs does?
2018-08-14 16:17:59	Gurkenglas	(Working on making those two one cache)
2018-08-14 16:19:31	Gurkenglas	(guessing yes)
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2018-08-14 16:25:45	Gurkenglas	I'll delete HasGhcModuleCache, that's MonadState and lens's job
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2018-08-14 16:56:51	lukelau	alanz: Figured out what was going on, hie wasn’t giving descriptive enough ranges for symbols, so I’m scooping all those extra Located types now: https://lukelau.me/automator/Screen%20Shot%202018-08-14%20at%2012.26.22.png
2018-08-14 17:01:03	alanz	lukelau, great
2018-08-14 17:09:59	wz1000	sclv: I've been waiting for sjakobi to give the go ahead
2018-08-14 17:36:47	wz1000	sclv: the ghc merge should be straightforward as there are no shared concerns
2018-08-14 17:37:11	wz1000	the haddock one will require a bit more attention as all the plumbing has to be hooked up correctly
2018-08-14 17:59:53	lukelau	alanz: Re #747, these issues seem to be problems with using the clients rather than hie itself
2018-08-14 18:00:18	alanz	I know, but we have instructions on setting up (some of) the clients
2018-08-14 18:00:24	lukelau	Although it probably wouldn’t hurt to just to throw in a sample ~/.vimrc into the README to avoid these tickets altogether
2018-08-14 18:00:30	alanz	exactly
2018-08-14 18:01:38	lukelau	Should we set up a readthedocs for this? The README is quite large
2018-08-14 18:01:52	lukelau	Maybe just splitting up the README into an INSTALL as well
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2018-08-14 18:04:05	alanz	I think it is something we need to do some time, I have no idea what is involved
2018-08-14 18:04:29	alanz	lukelau, do you run tests locally before making a PR?
2018-08-14 18:05:22	lukelau	Most of the time, but usually only a stack test
2018-08-14 18:05:33	alanz	that is what I do too
2018-08-14 18:05:57	lukelau	I find myself often having to insert a `import Data.Monoid ((<>))` when the 8.2.x build fails though
2018-08-14 18:06:13	alanz	yes
2018-08-14 18:06:26	alanz	which is what those tests are for, in my opinion
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2018-08-14 20:10:34	lukelau	alanz: Looks like one of the appveyor tests failed from timing out whilst installing stack https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/757
2018-08-14 20:18:06	lukelau	Can you rerun that build on appveyor?
2018-08-14 21:10:28	Gurkenglas	Is it fine if I change cacheModuleNoClear's behavior in the case that there is no previously cached module? Because that doesn't sound like an expected use case
2018-08-14 21:29:06	Gurkenglas	Can it ever happen that a module is cached a second time?
2018-08-14 21:29:12	Gurkenglas	(overwriting the first)
2018-08-14 21:33:07	Gurkenglas	lukelau, sounds like we should look again at caching CI's .stack-work
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2018-08-15 01:22:40	lukelau	Gurkenglas: not sure if you’ve mentioned this yet, but I’m going to remove withCachedModule and make withCachedModuleDefault the default instead
2018-08-15 01:22:50	lukelau	Since not having a default is just a bad idea
2018-08-15 01:26:17	alanz	lukelau, I am travelling the next two days, so my comms are going to be spotty
2018-08-15 01:31:44	Gurkenglas	lukelau, I've been looking for a way to replace that whole system :D but I'm having trouble with initializing the MVars
2018-08-15 01:33:21	Gurkenglas	lukelau, a NoModuleAvailable IdeError doesn't sound like such a bad default tho
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2018-08-15 02:24:01	lukelau	alanz: Safe travels!
2018-08-15 02:24:13	alanz	thanks
2018-08-15 02:24:45	alanz	I see I have until 21 Aug to do my evaluations
2018-08-15 02:25:11	lukelau	Plenty of time
2018-08-15 02:25:27	lukelau	Gurkenglas: Just seeing your earlier message “Can it ever happen that a module is cached a second time?”
2018-08-15 02:25:33	lukelau	The answer is almost always yes
2018-08-15 02:26:08	lukelau	Everytime the user changes a module and it typechecks again, it gets cached
2018-08-15 02:26:50	lukelau	Also is there not already a NoModuleAvailable IdeError?
2018-08-15 02:26:59	lukelau	*IdeErrorCode
2018-08-15 02:27:17	lukelau	IdeErrorCodes are different from LSP error codes which are JSON RPC codes
2018-08-15 02:27:31	lukelau	From my understanding
2018-08-15 02:31:02	Gurkenglas	lukelau, NoModuleAvailable is the default withCachedModule uses
2018-08-15 02:31:37	lukelau	Yeah it defaults to throwing an error
2018-08-15 02:31:46	lukelau	But really we should just get rid of NoModuleAvailable entirely
2018-08-15 02:32:12	lukelau	Doing a quick scan withCachedModule is only used in a handful of places
2018-08-15 02:57:34	lukelau	What was I thinking when I added that
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2018-08-15 06:34:39	Gurkenglas	lukelau, IdeErrors only crash the current request, right? Such as a code action. Isn't that fine?
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2018-08-15 15:22:54	Gurkenglas	lukelau, some computations defer to when a module is available. But the module can change over time. How is this handled?
2018-08-15 15:24:33	lukelau	Gurkenglas: No module being available isn’t really an error, its the fact that the module doesn’t typecheck so no results are available for the request
2018-08-15 15:25:17	lukelau	Those deferred computations are only for one request
2018-08-15 15:25:38	lukelau	As soon as the module is available it will return do the computation
2018-08-15 15:25:59	lukelau	*it will do the computation
2018-08-15 15:26:31	lukelau	If the user changes the module while it is being deferred, it will finish typechecking the first module and return the deferred result
2018-08-15 15:29:32	Gurkenglas	lukelau, if that module returns a compilation failure, should deferred computations wait for a working version or use the nonworking one?
2018-08-15 15:31:16	Gurkenglas	Currently they just do "IdeError NoModuleAvailable err J.Null"
2018-08-15 15:32:19	lukelau	If the compilation fails then it returns a cached module, otherwise it throws the nomoduleavailable error
2018-08-15 15:33:28	lukelau	I don’t think we shouldn’t wait for a working version since if say I try to make a symbols request on a broken module, I would get no results until maybe 5 minutes later when I fix my code, and then the request would be fulfilled
2018-08-15 15:33:59	lukelau	It probably makes sense just to return an empty list or default when there’s no cached module available
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2018-08-15 15:34:25	lukelau	Since the cached module’s purpose is for returning results immediately when the current module cannot compile
2018-08-15 15:35:12	Gurkenglas	So nothing should ever wait for a module at all?
2018-08-15 15:35:48	Gurkenglas	Well that makes half this code I'm writing now obsolete :3
2018-08-15 15:38:52	Gurkenglas	lukelau, right?
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2018-08-15 19:25:48	Gurkenglas	Again: Should we ever defer any computation until a module is done caching?
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2018-08-15 23:35:12	Gurkenglas	Eh it'll be easy enough to tack back on
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2018-08-16 03:00:35	Gurkenglas	A refactoring operation I'd like is "clean import", which removes an import and then replaces all out-of-scope identifiers with typed holes, and "clean package", which removes it a package dependency and cleans all its imports.
2018-08-16 03:22:01	Gurkenglas	Should we always canonicalize all filepaths everywhere?
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2018-08-16 04:32:38	Gurkenglas	Why do the squiggly red underlines disappear when I save the module? Shouldn't the updates be realtime anyway?
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2018-08-17 19:04:31	lukelau	alanz: Should we turn off the artifacts on appveyor for now?
2018-08-17 19:04:51	alanz	I just saw your commit, and agree we should
2018-08-17 19:04:59	alanz	testing is the most important thing
2018-08-17 19:05:07	alanz	So I can merge the typed holes pr?
2018-08-17 19:05:14	lukelau	I think so
2018-08-17 19:05:23	alanz	great
2018-08-17 19:05:31	alanz	btw, code 26.1 is out
2018-08-17 19:05:48	lukelau	Will take a look to see what’s new
2018-08-17 19:06:32	alanz	just some bug fixes, did a quick scan, nothing obviously affecting us
2018-08-17 19:06:54	lukelau	I tried to move the artifacts to github releases, but then realised someone in the haskell org needs to do some appveyor config stuff to encrypt a github token https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/764
2018-08-17 19:07:56	alanz	well, we can just sent a request to committee@haskell.org, they manage that stuff
2018-08-17 19:08:54	lukelau	I’m not convinced its worth it
2018-08-17 19:09:07	lukelau	Is it ok if I make a PR just to comment it out for now
2018-08-17 19:09:27	lukelau	I’ll also need to test that it works on my own fork
2018-08-17 19:09:46	alanz	ok
2018-08-17 19:14:59	alanz	lukelau, btw, there is no longer a setting to use the hie-wrapper in vscode. It is the default
2018-08-17 19:20:05	lukelau	I never noticed! That’s much handier
2018-08-17 19:20:50	alanz	I guess I need to publicise releases more :)
2018-08-17 19:33:46	alanz	one vscode change, it forgot about my vim plugin
2018-08-17 19:40:43	lukelau	forgot?
2018-08-17 19:57:45	alanz	well, it was no longer there
2018-08-17 19:58:18	lukelau	Huh mine was uninstalled too
2018-08-17 19:58:27	lukelau	Although I can install it again
2018-08-17 19:59:11	alanz	I just did. Obviously something changed in the config, somehow
2018-08-17 21:35:45	alanz	lukelau, I just did a demote code action in emacs
2018-08-17 21:35:53	alanz	but they do not show up in vscode
2018-08-17 21:35:56	alanz	using your branch
2018-08-17 21:46:34	alanz	Ok, need to press CTRL-. to get the quick fixes now. And it works in vscode. Nice
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2018-08-18 17:49:36	i-am-the-slime	Peace
2018-08-18 17:49:38	reactormonk	One of my current issues with HIE and vscode is more on "what is it doing atm and why isn't it responding"
2018-08-18 17:50:59	reactormonk	... I'm trying to figure ways how to improve the UX there
2018-08-18 17:51:33	alanz	ok, that is quite high on our list too
2018-08-18 17:54:22	alanz	I am looking through the issues, thought there was one wrt the project lifecycle
2018-08-18 17:55:12	alanz	With the haskell-lsp-test that lukelau did this GSOC, setting up test scenarios and understanding what we get back is a lot simpler
2018-08-18 17:57:16	i-am-the-slime	How does HIE find the imports when I tell it to import newTVarIO (like in the gif)?
2018-08-18 18:04:16	lukelau	i-am-the-slime: Hoogle!
2018-08-18 18:06:41	lukelau	alanz: just saw your comment, I’ll take a poke at using HaRe for detecting refactorable parts, would much prefer to use that than the heuristic I made
2018-08-18 18:06:52	reactormonk	lukelau ah, so you'll need the hoogle DB for that.
2018-08-18 18:07:44	lukelau	Yes, that should probably be mentioned in the README somewhere
2018-08-18 18:09:49	reactormonk	Or in the error message.
2018-08-18 18:11:25	i-am-the-slime	so does it also work for local types and functions?
2018-08-18 18:14:06	lukelau	Error message?
2018-08-18 18:15:29	lukelau	i-am-the-slime: I believe so
2018-08-18 18:16:21	reactormonk	lukelau: when vscode complains about not having hoogle DB
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2018-08-18 19:59:20	lukelau	alanz: ping
2018-08-18 19:59:41	alanz	lukelau, pong, just walked in
2018-08-18 20:00:38	lukelau	Looks like HaRe does a lot of checks inside `RefactGhc` which is a transformer on top of `GhcModT`
2018-08-18 20:01:12	alanz	yes, its a kitchen sink transformer, can probably be simplified dramatically
2018-08-18 20:01:28	alanz	Most of that stuff was being done as I was learning haskell
2018-08-18 20:01:45	alanz	btw, if you do anything, base it on my ghc-8.6 branch (my fork)
2018-08-18 20:01:58	lukelau	Is that the current submodule in hie?
2018-08-18 20:02:08	alanz	the think has not been released for years, because of the joyful cabal-helper/ghc-mod situation
2018-08-18 20:02:12	alanz	yes
2018-08-18 20:02:51	alanz	tbh, I think I would be more comfortable diving in to extract the tests as separate functions
2018-08-18 20:02:55	lukelau	Is there an easy way to run RefactGhc with a typechecked module without spinning up another `runGhcModT`?
2018-08-18 20:03:05	alanz	BUT, I am unlikely to get to it in the near future
2018-08-18 20:03:35	alanz	no idea. I have not looked at that stuff in a while
2018-08-18 20:03:53	alanz	I do know that we need to harmonise the stack between hie and hare
2018-08-18 20:04:02	alanz	how does the hie plugin call it at the moment?
2018-08-18 20:04:12	lukelau	Ok, but I think if we were to do those checks for the code actions we would need to probably change up that RefactGhc monad quite a bit
2018-08-18 20:04:31	lukelau	It runs hare commands by running it from IdeGhcM
2018-08-18 20:04:58	alanz	Have a look at runHareCommand' in the HaRe module
2018-08-18 20:05:00	lukelau	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/1fae67158b353ff6add4dc830efc4b5d2cd6d0f8/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/HaRe.hs#L252
2018-08-18 20:05:07	alanz	yes
2018-08-18 20:05:17	lukelau	But the code actions are generated from IdeM which is my problem
2018-08-18 20:05:30	lukelau	We could just move it to IdeGhcM but it will probably be a lot slower
2018-08-18 20:05:41	lukelau	We want to keep as much as possible off of it right?
2018-08-18 20:05:48	alanz	yes
2018-08-18 20:06:18	alanz	to be honest, 90% of the HaRe code doesn't need to be in a GHC session anyway
2018-08-18 20:06:34	alanz	except, it needs to be able to load ghc modules when needed.
2018-08-18 20:07:01	alanz	I think that this is likely to turn out to be quite a big task, tbh
2018-08-18 20:07:19	lukelau	Yeah
2018-08-18 20:08:30	 *	alanz afk
2018-08-18 20:19:38	lukelau	I think for now, I’m going to try abstracting https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/blob/0ad6c898bf9fcea1f5c1d9ee65a99ebfaf1afe52/src/Language/Haskell/Refact/Utils/MonadFunctions.hs#L142
2018-08-18 20:19:46	lukelau	Into maybe `HasRenamedSource` or something
2018-08-18 20:19:53	lukelau	See where that goes
2018-08-18 20:23:14	alanz	good luck. It's likely to be a rabbithole. When you need to check user's of a module e.g. when checking if a renaming is safe
2018-08-18 20:24:07	alanz	And probably best fully integrated into the loading of a target
2018-08-18 20:24:59	alanz	and bearing in mind that it has some stuff in it to look across all the targets
2018-08-18 20:47:03	reactormonk	alanz, found the project lifecycle issue yet?
2018-08-18 20:47:32	reactormonk	I'm not sure what to use as search terms
2018-08-18 20:59:36	reactormonk	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/460 ?
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2018-08-19 01:46:46	lukelau	Gurkenglas: I’m toying about with removing IdeResponse and replacing it with FreeT IdeDefer
2018-08-19 01:47:42	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/Bubba/c7426a182dfa3f004f3993b4889fe853
2018-08-19 01:48:01	lukelau	I’ve pretty much just copied that part of your PR
2018-08-19 01:48:35	lukelau	And then an IdeRequest will expect an IdeDefer
2018-08-19 01:48:38	Gurkenglas	lukelau, should we even ever defer any computation?
2018-08-19 01:48:46	lukelau	Yes
2018-08-19 01:49:06	lukelau	It’s basically needed so we can respond to a request from the client once we have the module loaded
2018-08-19 01:49:13	Gurkenglas	Should we solve it by having a thread do the computation, and having it wait for the module to be available?
2018-08-19 01:49:14	lukelau	Instead of just returning a blank result
2018-08-19 01:49:39	lukelau	The thread doing the computation is IdeGhcM
2018-08-19 01:52:06	Gurkenglas	lukelau, you mean "the thread doing the computation is running in the IdeGhcM monad"?
2018-08-19 01:52:24	Gurkenglas	lukelau, by thread, I mean things involving forkIO and TVar
2018-08-19 01:53:54	lukelau	Putting it on another thread won’t fix it, since its not really that computations are expensive
2018-08-19 01:54:01	lukelau	Its just that only one thread can typecheck the module
2018-08-19 01:54:33	lukelau	And typechecking the module is expensive
2018-08-19 01:54:59	lukelau	Which is why IdeM and IdeGhcM are separate
2018-08-19 01:55:29	lukelau	IdeM does “light” stuff which happens pretty much instantly since it doesn’t rely on any GHC APIs
2018-08-19 01:55:46	lukelau	Wheras the stuff that requires GHC APIs i.e. typechecking the module happens on IdeGhcM
2018-08-19 01:56:19	lukelau	So IdeGhcM is the bottleneck
2018-08-19 01:56:25	lukelau	If that makes sense
2018-08-19 01:58:49	Gurkenglas	lukelau, by putting it on another thread, we can make that thread wait until the module is available so we can keep doing other stuff that doesnt have to wait
2018-08-19 02:00:07	lukelau	By “it” do you mean stuff in IdeM that is deferred?
2018-08-19 02:01:27	Gurkenglas	lukelau, yes
2018-08-19 02:03:30	lukelau	That deferred stuff doesn’t block anything
2018-08-19 02:04:00	lukelau	It’s put into a queue and the thread continues to process other stuff, and whenever that module is typechecked in IdeGhcM, all the queue stuff gets called
2018-08-19 02:04:13	Gurkenglas	lukelau, yes each time we want to defer a computation by spawning a thread and making that one wait
2018-08-19 02:04:43	lukelau	Would that not have an overhead spawning up lots of threads? 
2018-08-19 02:04:49	Gurkenglas	threads are way cheap
2018-08-19 02:04:51	Gurkenglas	in haskell
2018-08-19 02:05:36	lukelau	What would the API for deferring via threads look like for the average hie plugin?
2018-08-19 02:06:18	Gurkenglas	cm <- waitForModule, which magically makes the current do block wait until that module is available
2018-08-19 02:06:33	Gurkenglas	cm <- waitForModule filepath I mean
2018-08-19 02:07:01	Gurkenglas	(And I hope waitForModule would also canonicalize the filepath)=
2018-08-19 02:09:50	lukelau	But that would block the current thread? So we would need to dispatch every IdeM request on their own thread
2018-08-19 02:10:38	Gurkenglas	lukelau, yes that would be one line in Dispatcher.hs
2018-08-19 02:20:40	Gurkenglas	(lukelau, FreeT IdeDefer would also make it look like that to the plugin dev)
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2018-08-19 19:40:00	alanz	so, trying to run liquidhaskell (installed with GHC 8.2.2, using cabal) under hie fails, because stack sets the GHC_PACKAGE_PATH in the environemnt the sub-process runs in.
2018-08-19 19:40:01	alanz	export GHC_PACKAGE_PATH='/home/alanz/mysrc/github/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/.stack-work/install/x86_64-linux/nightly-2018-07-26/8.4.3/pkgdb:/home/alanz/.stack/snapshots/x86_64-linux/nightly-2018-07-26/8.4.3/pkgdb:/home/alanz/.stack/programs/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.4.3/lib/ghc-8.4.3/package.conf.d'
2018-08-19 19:40:44	alanz	And given the exe does not compile with ghc 8.4.3, this is awkward
2018-08-19 19:41:12	alanz	And I guess one way around it is a shell wrapper, but that is a pain too. To make it cross platform
2018-08-19 22:13:43	lukelau	alanz: I think theres a flag you can set with stack to not set GHC_PACKAGE_PATH
2018-08-19 22:14:15	alanz	I am not sure whether it is only because it is running under the test scenario.
2018-08-19 22:14:30	lukelau	--no-ghc-package-path
2018-08-19 22:15:32	lukelau	We set that in the hie func tests
2018-08-19 22:15:42	lukelau	So that lsp-test can launch hie properly
2018-08-19 22:15:51	alanz	But I managed to get it to work without a wrapper. See https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/blob/liquid-plugin/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/Liquid.hs#L121
2018-08-19 22:16:01	alanz	ok
2018-08-19 22:16:59	alanz	I am currently trying to work out the best way to have liquid haskell actually installed on the test machine
2018-08-19 22:17:06	lukelau	Would unsetting it with https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.11.1.0/docs/System-Environment.html#v:setEnv work?
2018-08-19 22:17:26	alanz	I think I need to make a custom docker image for us
2018-08-19 22:17:47	alanz	unsetEnv might work
2018-08-19 22:17:51	alanz	I will give it a try
2018-08-19 22:18:00	lukelau	Will that affect ghc-mod though?
2018-08-19 22:18:09	alanz	of course, it may break everything else.
2018-08-19 22:18:11	alanz	exactly.
2018-08-19 22:18:16	lukelau	It should probably be unset anyway though
2018-08-19 22:18:26	lukelau	Since hie is normally run without stack
2018-08-19 22:18:28	alanz	I guess we may need a bracket type function, get it, unset, restore
2018-08-19 22:18:32	alanz	yes
2018-08-19 22:18:33	lukelau	And thus without GHC_PACKAGE_PATH
2018-08-19 22:19:03	alanz	btw, I just finished your GSOC report
2018-08-19 22:19:09	lukelau	Awesome
2018-08-19 22:19:17	lukelau	Do I get to read it eventually?
2018-08-19 22:19:19	alanz	no surprise as to the result
2018-08-19 22:19:46	lukelau	Thanks :)
2018-08-19 22:19:59	alanz	I don't know, actually. At least one part
2018-08-19 22:20:19	alanz	You have done well, got really involved into things. It's been great
2018-08-19 22:21:00	lukelau	It’s been fun! I really enjoyed it
2018-08-19 22:21:24	lukelau	It’s nice to be able to work on a project that you use yourself every day
2018-08-19 22:22:59	alanz	yes, get the immediate results. Really enjoying the add import thing
2018-08-19 22:23:12	alanz	just used it to add System.Environment :)
2018-08-19 22:24:26	lukelau	Same! hsimport does a nice job of (roughly) inserting it in alphabetical order
2018-08-19 22:25:09	lukelau	And there’s a pull request open for adding some more typed hole code actions https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/771
2018-08-19 22:25:09	alanz	yes. But we perhaps need to tie it in to the align imports stuff too, to get the spacing right.
2018-08-19 22:25:24	alanz	I saw that, but I think it is specific to one version of GHC
2018-08-19 22:25:30	alanz	and failed most of its tests
2018-08-19 22:25:53	lukelau	We could probably do a quick run of brittany after adding the import, I’ll make an issue for that
2018-08-19 22:25:54	alanz	For me the main thing is to get hie to a point where people feel comfortable jumping in
2018-08-19 22:26:12	alanz	and that is why your lsp-test is so important
2018-08-19 22:26:38	alanz	we must do it just on the imports though
2018-08-19 22:27:02	alanz	and it gets hairy when there are CPP macros floating around. Hate those dman things
2018-08-19 22:28:13	lukelau	I quickly learnt to avoid using it where possible
2018-08-19 22:28:21	lukelau	It seems to also cause quite a lot of pain for ghc devs
2018-08-19 22:28:25	alanz	yes
2018-08-19 22:28:33	lukelau	Truth be told I’m quite surprised lsp-test isn’t more flakey
2018-08-19 22:28:48	lukelau	It seems quite reliable
2018-08-19 22:28:54	lukelau	Hopefully I don’t jinx this
2018-08-19 22:28:54	alanz	I would love to move to a more principled conditional preprocessor, that covers 95% of the use cases
2018-08-19 22:29:26	alanz	Well, having something useful is the most important thing, it sets the stage for ongoing improvement
2018-08-19 22:29:34	alanz	And we have that
2018-08-19 22:29:53	alanz	And the unsetEnv call seems to have done the trick, thanks
2018-08-19 22:30:09	lukelau	That should work on windows too then
2018-08-19 22:30:50	alanz	yes
2018-08-19 22:35:54	lukelau	Wow I didn’t realise that CPP actually runs the C preprocessor
2018-08-19 22:36:11	lukelau	http://blog.haskell-exists.com/yuras/posts/stop-abusing-cpp-in-haskell.html
2018-08-19 22:36:33	lukelau	HaRe has a shoutout in that post
2018-08-19 22:38:21	alanz	yes, 2015. 
2018-08-19 22:38:31	alanz	I have been beating that drum for many years.
2018-08-19 22:38:54	alanz	We basically need something that is processed by the lexer, in some way
2018-08-19 22:39:02	alanz	rather than as a preprocessor
2018-08-19 22:39:31	alanz	or, a preprocessor that is specifically for haskell, with most features removed
2018-08-19 22:40:47	alanz	lukelau, I see add import does put it in the right place
2018-08-19 22:40:57	alanz	it's just the alignment we need to sort out
2018-08-19 22:41:43	alanz	And, we should consider doing it as "import           Control.Exception (bracket)" when it is coming in due to bracket not being in scope
2018-08-19 22:42:25	lukelau	Thats not a bad idea, I think hsimport has some api for specifying what to import
2018-08-19 22:44:49	lukelau	Should it be the default to import via import list or should there be two options, one for the import list and one for the entire module?
2018-08-19 22:45:25	alanz	I would say default to import by list
2018-08-19 22:45:58	alanz	btw, I used ExitFailure in the code, no prompt to add System.Exit. Not sure if constructors are not included in the search?
2018-08-20 01:24:18	lukelau	Probably need to specifically handle the error message string for when a constructor isn’t in scope
2018-08-20 01:24:25	lukelau	Or maybe its not searchable via hoogle?
2018-08-20 01:25:14	alanz	I dont know what the issue is at the back, I just know it does not come up with a suggestion, on my machine
2018-08-20 01:25:20	alanz	And it does have a hoogle db
2018-08-20 01:25:38	alanz	but it's in base, which may not be in hoogle?
2018-08-20 01:27:59	lukelau	https://hoogle.haskell.org/?hoogle=ExitStatus
2018-08-20 01:28:17	lukelau	Woops wrong term
2018-08-20 01:28:28	lukelau	Yeah its on hoogle
2018-08-20 01:29:17	lukelau	When I open IRC on my phone, the messages I read on it don’t show up on my computer, so I have to try and remember what the last message was
2018-08-20 01:30:52	lukelau	Yeah I think its because its a data constructor, the error message from ghc is different
2018-08-20 01:33:16	alanz	ok
2018-08-20 01:33:37	alanz	I user riot.im on my phone, it bridges over, and keeps a scrollback
2018-08-20 01:33:54	alanz	and I show up here as alanz[m]
2018-08-20 01:34:09	lukelau	Ah, m for mobile?
2018-08-20 01:34:21	alanz	matrix, I think. 
2018-08-20 01:34:32	alanz	riot.im is a matrix.org client
2018-08-20 01:35:11	alanz	except it wont work now, we locked the channel down for spam
2018-08-20 01:35:19	alanz	authenticated users only
2018-08-20 01:35:21	alanz	damn
2018-08-20 01:35:46	lukelau	Has the spam died down recently?
2018-08-20 01:36:00	lukelau	I haven’t noticed as much but I reconnected on my bouncer which caused it to block any anonymous PMs
2018-08-20 01:36:01	alanz	I don't know. 
2018-08-20 01:36:24	alanz	I just looked at #nixos-unregistered, looks reasonable
2018-08-20 01:36:43	alanz	but #haskell-emacs it riddled
2018-08-20 01:38:52	lukelau	#hakyll is ruined
2018-08-20 01:39:15	lukelau	By the way, quick PR for that ailment https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/774
2018-08-20 01:39:37	alanz	great
2018-08-20 01:40:17	alanz	I am contemplating just changing the underlying GHC error type, and seeing who complains
2018-08-20 01:40:31	alanz	to be more of a DSL, so we can easily pick that kind of thing out
2018-08-20 01:40:41	lukelau	Yeah matching on strings is gross
2018-08-20 01:41:01	alanz	and changes from compiler version to compiler version, as the messages get tweaked
2018-08-20 01:41:31	lukelau	I’m sure it would be good progress towards the prettier error messages ticket as well
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2018-08-20 01:42:40	lukelau	The HaRe stuff didn’t go so well, hit a dead end where some HaRe runs some functions that isn’t cached, namely cabal module graphs
2018-08-20 01:43:07	alanz	I was expecting that
2018-08-20 01:43:29	alanz	It is going to take some serious re-architecting to sort that out
2018-08-20 01:43:55	lukelau	It’s pretty clever, I was trying it out on the delete def command and it looks like it checks other modules to see if its used anywhere
2018-08-20 01:44:05	lukelau	          then do clients <- clientModsAndFiles modPath
2018-08-20 01:44:08	lukelau	woops
2018-08-20 01:44:09	lukelau	https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/blob/98f390b6e9d48537429863ca890aa853afcd7c79/src/Language/Haskell/Refact/Refactoring/DeleteDef.hs#L95
2018-08-20 01:44:55	alanz	yes
2018-08-20 01:45:30	alanz	and I think that looks at the whole module graph, for each target, to see if it is imported
2018-08-20 01:47:38	lukelau	In the meantime I’m trying to tidy up/simplify the deferred stuff so its nicer for plugins to use
2018-08-20 01:47:56	alanz	great.
2018-08-20 01:48:03	lukelau	I’m trying to switch IdeM to just be a FreeT IdeDefer IdeM, which is what wz1000 originally recommended
2018-08-20 01:48:09	alanz	And I will soon be getting to want to run deferred stuff in IO
2018-08-20 01:48:17	alanz	for the liquid haskell stuff
2018-08-20 01:48:22	lukelau	And gurkenglas had part of that in his PR
2018-08-20 01:48:38	alanz	yes, I saw you guys discussing it last night some time.
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2018-08-20 02:53:07	hexagoxel	what is IdeDefer?
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2018-08-20 15:51:23	domenkozar	is it possible to do existential qualification for all sum types?
2018-08-20 15:51:46	domenkozar	data A = forall a. Show a => A a | B a | C a
2018-08-20 15:52:13	domenkozar	or do I have to specify it for each constructor?
2018-08-20 15:53:26	domenkozar	eh
2018-08-20 15:53:30	domenkozar	wrong channel :)
2018-08-20 16:29:01	lukelau	hexagoxel: There’s a thread for GHC work (IdeGhcM) and a thread for non-GHC work (IdeM), IdeDefer is for when you want to wait for a typechecked module from IdeGhcM on IdeM
2018-08-20 16:31:10	hexagoxel	ah, interesting
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2018-08-20 16:41:44	hexagoxel	lukelau: how is this waiting implemented? I was not able to find "IdeDefer" in the hie codebase, any pointers?
2018-08-20 16:43:17	lukelau	Were you checking out that gist from earlier? Its what I’m working on at the moment, the deferred stuff is currently implemented as `IdeResponseDeferred`
2018-08-20 16:46:38	hexagoxel	ah. i assume when you said "FreeT IdeDefer IdeM" the naming swapped a bit in contrast to the gist?
2018-08-20 16:46:58	hexagoxel	or is there nested FreeT?
2018-08-20 16:47:50	alanz	domenkozar, see https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/161#issuecomment-414158485
2018-08-20 16:48:33	alanz	(and I mean the whole thread, not just that bit)
2018-08-20 17:01:13	alanz	lukelau, I am going to merge https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/771 (typed holes improvements) before your imports update. Which will then need a twek
2018-08-20 17:01:23	alanz	tweak. Are you ok with that?
2018-08-20 17:01:28	alanz	(once CI passes)
2018-08-20 17:02:08	lukelau	alanz: Yup! The conflict is quite small
2018-08-20 17:02:26	alanz	But the test file is also renamed
2018-08-20 17:02:27	lukelau	hexagoxel: Yeah I’m still trying to figure out the naming
2018-08-20 17:02:32	hexagoxel	lukelau, alanz: did you know that you can use ContT to move transformer stacks to different threads, too?
2018-08-20 17:02:44	lukelau	Git seems to be quite good at merging renamed stuff
2018-08-20 17:02:46	alanz	hexagoxel, no
2018-08-20 17:02:55	alanz	lukelau, ok
2018-08-20 17:03:40	hexagoxel	i'll link you a draft post on this exact topic in a second, once my hakyll website compiles :S
2018-08-20 17:03:59	alanz	great
2018-08-20 17:04:47	alanz	lukelau, another thought I had. It might be useful to use the output of hasktags (or even codex) as a fallback for go-to-definition
2018-08-20 17:05:27	alanz	I use it in emacs when hie won't find something, for broken compile, or other target, or whatever
2018-08-20 17:13:03	lukelau	That would make a good plugin
2018-08-20 17:13:59	lukelau	And a good API point, pluginDefinitionProvider
2018-08-20 17:17:13	alanz	yes
2018-08-20 17:18:39	alanz	lukelau, I merged 771
2018-08-20 17:18:42	hexagoxel	alanz, lukelau: http://hexagoxel.de/postsforpublish/drafts/98123-forking-contt.html
2018-08-20 17:22:15	hexagoxel	if you use "lift . moveToProcessor x" you end up with something rather similar to FreeT plus requestQueue construct
2018-08-20 17:23:24	hexagoxel	but with ContT, the one processing the queue does not even need to know about the exact transformer stack.
2018-08-20 17:43:38	lukelau	alanz: Wow, no merge conflcits at all for 774 after merging 771
2018-08-20 17:45:04	lukelau	hexagoxel: I’ve never usde ContT before, I’ll need to do some reading up on that!
2018-08-20 17:45:19	alanz	ok, will land it
2018-08-20 17:48:19	lukelau	I wish github would update the diffs for PRs whenever the target branch changes
2018-08-20 17:48:41	alanz	agree
2018-08-20 17:57:46	hexagoxel	lukelau: yeah, my post is by no means an introduction to ContT. And ContT in general is powerful but also really confusing.
2018-08-20 19:23:15	domenkozar	alanz: thanks, good read. I went for GADTs at the end
2018-08-20 20:50:14	lukelau	I’m completely tearing up the dispatcher and loads of other parts of the code base for this deferred refactor
2018-08-20 20:50:18	lukelau	But at times like this I’m super glad to have a strong type system and lots of tests
2018-08-20 20:50:38	alanz	ok
2018-08-20 20:51:31	lukelau	I’m trying not to let this grow too big
2018-08-20 20:51:40	lukelau	So the PR is somewhat digestible
2018-08-20 20:52:34	alanz	yes, if possible do it in small chunks
2018-08-20 20:52:39	alanz	or at least focused ones
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2018-08-20 21:10:17	alanz	lukelau, it struck me we can do an initial crude filtering for the HaRe commands
2018-08-20 21:10:43	alanz	as in, we can only demote or lift a definition. So if the cursor is not on one, we cannot do it, at all
2018-08-20 21:11:09	alanz	ditto with duplicate and delete
2018-08-20 21:11:38	lukelau	Thats what it does at the moment right?
2018-08-20 21:12:01	lukelau	I wrote some logic to check if the cursor is at a definition but we should probably just reuse HaRe’s
2018-08-20 21:12:33	alanz	ok, I did not check, but I am getting it when on a constructor in the params of a definition
2018-08-20 21:12:56	alanz	it seems to be looking at the line only
2018-08-20 21:13:37	alanz	so perhaps bring the column in too. If it is available
2018-08-20 21:14:40	lukelau	Sounds good, I’ll make a ticket
2018-08-20 21:16:51	alanz	thanks
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2018-08-20 22:42:23	lukelau	Gurkenglas: do you happen to have any ideas how to implement gmask for FreeT?
2018-08-20 22:48:16	Gurkenglas	lukelau, try "gmask m = liftWith (\run -> mask $ run m) >>= restoreT . return"?
2018-08-20 22:48:28	Gurkenglas	*"gmask m = liftWith (\run -> gmask $ run m) >>= restoreT . return" that is
2018-08-20 22:48:49	lukelau	I got `gmask f = FreeT (runFreeT $ gmask f)`
2018-08-20 22:48:52	lukelau	Seems weird though
2018-08-20 22:49:16	Gurkenglas	(Or, since monad-control accepted that controlT PR: "gmask m = controlT $ \run -> gmask $ run m"
2018-08-20 22:49:19	Gurkenglas	*)
2018-08-20 22:49:44	Gurkenglas	Oh wait FreeT doesn't have MonadTransControl what am I saying :D
2018-08-20 22:50:05	Gurkenglas	lukelau, `gmask f = FreeT (runFreeT $ gmask f)` will only mask exceptions thrown before deferred computations
2018-08-20 22:50:28	Gurkenglas	(thrown from undeferred computations, I mean)
2018-08-20 22:51:00	lukelau	All this continuation stuff is wild
2018-08-20 22:51:05	Gurkenglas	You still want to use FreeT instead of making threads wait? Why?
2018-08-20 22:51:59	lukelau	Baby steps, mainly so we don’t need to rewrite all the plugins that use withCachedModule
2018-08-20 22:52:20	lukelau	I’d be interested in trying out that approach after this
2018-08-20 22:55:35	lukelau	Yup, `gmask m = liftWith (\run -> run (gmask m)) >>= restoreT . return` complains about no instance for MonadTransControl
2018-08-20 22:56:13	Gurkenglas	(thats the whole reason I wanted MonadTransControl instead of MonadBaseControl for ghc-mod - MonadBaseControl assumes everything has MonadTransControl, and FreeT actually doesn't)
2018-08-20 22:57:19	Gurkenglas	You should be able to do it without rewriting plugins if you really want, but being able to simplify the plugin api is half the point
2018-08-20 22:58:33	Gurkenglas	"all the plugin" isnt that many, I rewrote all of them a bunch of times to get api changes through, I'm currently ground to a halt in some tedium but some commit should compile, I think that was before I removed FreeT?
2018-08-20 23:30:27	alanz	lukelau, see http://blog.sigfpe.com/2008/12/mother-of-all-monads.html
2018-08-20 23:31:03	alanz	And no, I have not read/worked through it. My head exploded somewhere along the way
2018-08-20 23:44:32	alanz	lukelau, Gurkenglas, this deferred thing you guys are discussing. Would it be able to work something like my old async dispatcher call?
2018-08-20 23:45:29	alanz	where the function in the plugin doing the work gets a callback to send the result back to the reactor in the LSP thread.
2018-08-20 23:45:36	alanz	I guess I must just experiment.
2018-08-20 23:51:03	Gurkenglas	alanz, how would you defer a computation?
2018-08-20 23:52:19	alanz	well, I basically want to spawn an o/s process, and wait for it to finish. And store its processId in the ModuleCache storage for the plugin
2018-08-20 23:52:20	alanz	to make sure there is only ever one.
2018-08-20 23:52:27	alanz	And then when it finishes, clean out the ModuleCache, and send the reply
2018-08-20 23:52:42	alanz	in this case, send diagnostics, once liquid haskell has run
2018-08-20 23:53:06	Gurkenglas	alanz, o/s processes are expensive and haskell threads are cheap, and the computations to defer are supposed to be cheap from what I've heard
2018-08-20 23:53:11	alanz	So it is a custom defer, basically, first run LH to generate info, then return it
2018-08-20 23:53:37	alanz	yes, they operate on the TypeCheckedModule when it is loaded.
2018-08-20 23:53:54	alanz	So then I have answered my own question
2018-08-20 23:54:24	alanz	I guess the real thing I want is for the IdeGhcM stuff to be parameterised somehow, so I can reuse it for my own (non-ghc) case
2018-08-20 23:54:55	alanz	And we could do the same with hlint, or any other o/s processes that may run for a long time then generate feedback
2018-08-20 23:55:16	alanz	But I am just thinking out loud at the moment
2018-08-21 00:01:08	alanz	Hmm, the IdeReq callback can probably do it already
2018-08-21 00:49:35	lukelau	alanz: That article’s great, really well written. Still pretty mind boggling
2018-08-21 00:51:55	alanz	I know
2018-08-21 00:53:02	lukelau	Reminds me of studying continuations in racket except it had like 10 different kinds of continuations
2018-08-21 00:53:12	alanz	Gurkenglas, please take a look at https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/777
2018-08-21 00:53:42	alanz	yes, but my take on things is that continuations more naturally belong to the compiler. They are too complex for us humans
2018-08-21 00:53:50	alanz	to reason about in normal mode
2018-08-21 00:53:50	lukelau	Is there a way to tag a co-author in a PR? I co-authored you in a commit Gurkenglas but it would be nice to have it for the whole PR
2018-08-21 00:54:16	alanz	I think I need to add him to hie, to get him as a reviewer
2018-08-21 00:57:26	alanz	Just added Gurkenglas and lorenzo
2018-08-21 00:57:26	alanz	We should put a bot in that adds to the project when a commit is merged, like on cabal
2018-08-21 00:57:31	alanz	lukelau, btw, there was talk about making TODO in a comment a compiler warning.
2018-08-21 00:57:42	alanz	Could be an interesting way to do a diagnostic
2018-08-21 00:58:13	lukelau	I saw on twitter!
2018-08-21 00:58:27	lukelau	it also sounds like it could be a ghc source plugin
2018-08-21 00:59:56	alanz	except those only exist for GHC 8.6
2018-08-21 00:59:56	alanz	and I fear they are going to become a swamp, with weird interactions between them
2018-08-21 00:59:56	alanz	Something like DIY TH
2018-08-21 00:59:56	alanz	which is a concern I had from the beginning
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2018-08-21 00:59:58	alanz	fine to pull out info, but hairy for changing stuff, as seems to be the trend
2018-08-21 01:00:47	 *	alanz must be a luddite
2018-08-21 01:01:05	lukelau	I didn’t realise it was 8.6 only
2018-08-21 01:01:22	alanz	yes
2018-08-21 01:01:41	lukelau	I think actually it would make the perfect pet example to do for a blog post on hie
2018-08-21 01:02:10	alanz	I think you are right. Hmmm, haskellx
2018-08-21 01:02:36	lukelau	That’s also kind of why I wanted to tidy up the response stuff a bit beforehand haha
2018-08-21 01:03:01	lukelau	Do a bit of cleaning, sweep those ugly IdeResponse patterns
2018-08-21 01:04:25	alanz	I agree.
2018-08-21 01:04:25	alanz	I want to push for how it is a framework, and easy to plug extra stuff in
2018-08-21 01:10:58	alanz	I need to refresh myself on FreeT before looking too closely :)
2018-08-21 01:14:04	lukelau	Don’t worry I don’t understand them either
2018-08-21 01:14:27	lukelau	From the hackage page: “If f is a Functor then the free Monad on f is the type of trees whose nodes are labeled with the constructors of f.”
2018-08-21 01:16:05	alanz	I have a basic, sort of use them but dont ask me to explain too much familiarity
2018-08-21 01:17:13	alanz	Basically you construct a data type modelling your computation, then run an interpreter over it to get the effects
2018-08-21 01:17:34	alanz	mpickering put it into ghc-exactprint, so all the different things we do create the same data structure, we just interpret it differently when we are calculating the deltas, vs printing out the tree
2018-08-21 01:17:41	alanz	its pretty cool
2018-08-21 01:17:52	alanz	cut out a *huge* amount of duplication
2018-08-21 01:17:52	lukelau	Is the `iterT` function the interpeterer for the side effects?
2018-08-21 01:18:59	alanz	I would have to look. All I know is you define a data type with each effect you want, then make a function that breaks out on that to do the work. 
2018-08-21 01:21:15	alanz	and yes, iterT is the thing. See https://github.com/alanz/ghc-exactprint/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/GHC/ExactPrint/Print.hs#L154
2018-08-21 01:21:15	alanz	vs https://github.com/alanz/ghc-exactprint/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/GHC/ExactPrint/Delta.hs#L304
2018-08-21 01:21:15	alanz	and https://github.com/alanz/ghc-exactprint/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/GHC/ExactPrint/Pretty.hs#L154
2018-08-21 01:21:15	alanz	so we define how to walk over the GHC AST once, and can do those three different things to it
2018-08-21 01:23:44	lukelau	Thats awesome
2018-08-21 01:25:03	lukelau	I hope I’m not abusing it then for these deferred responses
2018-08-21 01:25:30	 *	alanz refresher course over, time to look at the PR
2018-08-21 01:38:59	alanz	well, you, Gurkenglas and wz1000 all seem to be in favour of the approach, as I understand things
2018-08-21 01:38:59	alanz	So I doubt you are all off track
2018-08-21 01:38:59	alanz	That ExceptionMonad instance for IdeM is hairy.
2018-08-21 01:38:59	alanz	The kind of thing that floors me when I try build a monad transformer stack
2018-08-21 01:38:59	alanz	"FreeT m `gcatch` f = FreeT $ fmap (fmap (`gcatch` f)) m `gcatch` (runFreeT . f)"
2018-08-21 01:39:00	alanz	lukelau, IdeBase defines the underlying behaviour, which is then either run in the GHC monad to load the module and do it, or against the cache, possibly deferred, for IdeM?
2018-08-21 01:39:00	alanz	I think it is time for a CONTRIBUTING.md, which says max width 115 cols, among other things
2018-08-21 02:00:49	lukelau	alanz: The ExceptionMonad instance for IdeM is incorrect I think, that line is just the MonadCatch instance for FreeT where I swapped catch for gcatch
2018-08-21 02:01:14	lukelau	And as Gurkenglas pointed out earlier the gmask won’t mask any deferred computations
2018-08-21 02:01:51	alanz	ok
2018-08-21 02:02:33	lukelau	I left a review at that line to come back to
2018-08-21 02:07:37	alanz	ok
2018-08-21 02:15:35	lukelau	alanz: Actually maybe we can get rid of that ExceptionMonad instance
2018-08-21 02:15:44	lukelau	I think its only used in one place
2018-08-21 02:16:43	lukelau	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/4488a096eb48e0d89f472fb303b82b271a61bc12/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/HieExtras.hs#L260
2018-08-21 02:16:47	alanz	ok, the simpler the code the better. And zero code is as simple as it gets
2018-08-21 02:18:10	alanz	why is that catch there?
2018-08-21 02:18:20	lukelau	I was about to ask you that
2018-08-21 02:18:26	lukelau	I’m not sure if there’s anything there that can throw
2018-08-21 02:18:39	lukelau	And even if there was I’m not sure why its being caught instead of just crashing
2018-08-21 02:18:47	alanz	I am wondering the same. vc-annotate time
2018-08-21 02:18:55	alanz	the polite form of git-blame
2018-08-21 02:20:07	lukelau	I took a look at it, the history is truncated up since it was moved from another file some time ago
2018-08-21 02:20:33	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/commit/578b1c4d6bb4c45b2a966f4e7cc8e75f58b13d92
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2018-08-21 02:22:29	alanz	yes, I see
2018-08-21 02:22:41	lukelau	Found an earlier one https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/4f2173963b14cb7603bc0c1ce731dc07ac1b7feb/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/HaRe.hs#L418
2018-08-21 02:22:46	alanz	Well, maybe we should remove it and see what breaks
2018-08-21 02:22:49	lukelau	It used to be in HaRe strangely enough
2018-08-21 02:23:29	alanz	or ask wz1000 if he can recall. it was a year ago. HSOC
2018-08-21 02:23:43	lukelau	Bingo
2018-08-21 02:23:43	lukelau	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/commit/c904eab74c64d0839fb98328fb8423acebcde944#diff-6aa7ef3e19f5a59735d142109364f746R414
2018-08-21 02:23:59	alanz	Catching SomeException is pretty hard-core too
2018-08-21 02:24:34	lukelau	Does wz1000 remember what he was doing on the evening of Wednesday, 26th of July 2017?
2018-08-21 02:24:38	alanz	and I think we have exception handling in the dispatcher now, and around calles to ghc-mod, to get the problem with the project not building
2018-08-21 02:24:57	alanz	So the lower level one is handled, and there is a higher level one too
2018-08-21 02:26:41	Gurkenglas	What was written between 21:24 and 22:50?
2018-08-21 02:27:32	alanz	Gurkenglas, see https://gist.github.com/alanz/755405d58678b7b3f0181446cf9734c4
2018-08-21 02:33:20	Gurkenglas	So should I talk about what I'm thinking here on in reviews
2018-08-21 02:33:22	Gurkenglas	*or
2018-08-21 02:33:42	Gurkenglas	I'm suspicious of the liftToGhc instance. Where is it used?
2018-08-21 02:36:47	Gurkenglas	"FreeT (return (Free (IdeDefer fp go)))" is "wrap (IdeDefer fp go)"
2018-08-21 02:38:19	Gurkenglas	lukelau, should "withCachedModule fp def callback"'s def get access to the T.Text?
2018-08-21 02:40:23	Gurkenglas	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/777/files#diff-4c423d470eea9ff90c37c93e365d5022R239 looks like it conflates final failure with temporary delay
2018-08-21 02:43:45	Gurkenglas	lukelau, you said IdeGhcM is the thing that is allowed to do long computations. If it encounters liftToGhc (FreeT f), does that mean it should actually go and check the module if it isn't cached yet?
2018-08-21 02:45:35	Gurkenglas	lukelau, looks like we now always ignore the IdeError's error code. Is that intended? Should we take that to its logical conclusion?
2018-08-21 02:54:49	lukelau	Gurkenglas: I don’t think it would make it difference since it has to return something anyway. I’m not exactly sure what the T.Text message is
2018-08-21 02:54:58	lukelau	I think its GHC’s output?
2018-08-21 02:55:40	lukelau	Changed it to use wrap
2018-08-21 02:56:11	lukelau	For https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/777/files#diff-4c423d470eea9ff90c37c93e365d5022R239, I originally wanted to actually typecheck the module there
2018-08-21 02:56:25	lukelau	Not sure if thats a good idea anymore
2018-08-21 02:56:47	lukelau	And now this just relies on the promise that you won’t try to lift anything that’s deferred
2018-08-21 02:57:05	lukelau	My plan B is to expose IdeBase, maybe make that IdeM and move IdeM to IdeDeferred
2018-08-21 02:57:32	lukelau	And then make IdeBase an instance of LiftsToGhc which is guaranteed not to have a deferred response
2018-08-21 02:57:46	lukelau	But then there will be three monads to choose from which I thought might be overly complex
2018-08-21 02:57:58	lukelau	But this might be worth it since it strictly makes more sense
2018-08-21 02:58:27	lukelau	Those IdeErrors were ignored originally from what I could tell
2018-08-21 02:58:42	lukelau	I think they’re used for the JSON transport
2018-08-21 02:58:45	lukelau	More so than LSP
2018-08-21 02:59:02	lukelau	I could be wrong though
2018-08-21 03:00:54	lukelau	What do you think about the third monad though?
2018-08-21 03:03:14	hexagoxel	(i _think_ if you don't also "steal" Functor instances, then Free would also qualify as "mother of all monads")
2018-08-21 03:03:52	hexagoxel	of course that only re-affirms the core idea of the post
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2018-08-21 04:12:26	Gurkenglas	lukelau, if you expect a promise that you dont defer in liftToGhc, use error
2018-08-21 04:12:35	Gurkenglas	(for the whole Free match)
2018-08-21 04:13:13	Gurkenglas	And in my PR I felt the third monad to be the way to go until I saw you can just make the thread wait
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2018-08-21 18:10:06	alanz	lukelau, Gurkenglas what is the consensus on that PR now?
2018-08-21 18:14:25	Gurkenglas	Not claiming consensus but I'd say that liftToGhc should be addressed, and maybe ExceptionMonad, but if additional changes do not cost extra after the merge, this is better than before
2018-08-21 20:08:54	alanz	Gurkenglas, re github reviews. I click on the blue + sign on the given line, and type the comment.
2018-08-21 20:09:16	Gurkenglas	Can I add that to an existing review?
2018-08-21 20:09:51	alanz	I normally just say add as a comment, but I think it is the same for a review
2018-08-21 20:10:09	Gurkenglas	I dont follow
2018-08-21 20:10:51	Gurkenglas	Oh, there's a delete button.
2018-08-21 20:11:05	Gurkenglas	Not for reviews tho.
2018-08-21 20:11:45	alanz	ok
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2018-08-22 01:32:33	alanz	what I like about Hover is it tells you the monad type if you hover on the "do" keyword
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2018-08-22 23:22:17	lukelau	alanz Gurkenglas sorry had to travel yesterday on short notice, taking a look at the PR now
2018-08-22 23:24:34	lukelau	Gurkenglas: I think we got rid of the exceptionmonad
2018-08-22 23:26:42	alanz	lukelau, welcome back.
2018-08-22 23:27:20	alanz	I have also been pretty much out of the loop the last day or so
2018-08-22 23:29:06	lukelau	Just got my results back for GSoC this morning, thank you for the kind words :)
2018-08-22 23:29:25	lukelau	I’m looking forward to seeing all the other Haskell projects, not sure when they get published
2018-08-22 23:30:25	alanz	I'm not sure, I know they like to do a grand announcement
2018-08-22 23:30:36	alanz	It should be on the site, with the timeline
2018-08-22 23:31:12	alanz	hmm, it says Aug 22, results announced
2018-08-22 23:31:18	alanz	so maybe it is official now
2018-08-22 23:33:39	lukelau	I’ve read about some of projects on /r/haskell
2018-08-22 23:33:52	lukelau	*some of the
2018-08-22 23:33:59	lukelau	But they were just blog posts
2018-08-22 23:34:21	lukelau	The Cabal one was great, looks like the new-suite of commands is almost done
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2018-08-22 23:46:45	alanz	lukelau, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/777#issuecomment-415125716 does not make sense
2018-08-22 23:46:57	alanz	I presume it is IdeGhcM and IdeM?
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2018-08-23 00:11:11	alanz	https://opensource.googleblog.com/2018/08/thats-a-wrap-gsoc-2018.html
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2018-08-23 00:59:49	alanz	lukelau, ping. There was an irc netsplit or something.
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2018-08-23 02:19:40	lukelau	alanz: pong
2018-08-23 02:20:32	lukelau	Sorry I worded that comment weirdly
2018-08-23 02:20:45	lukelau	I basically meant expose IdeBase
2018-08-23 02:20:53	lukelau	And refer to IdeM as IdeDefer
2018-08-23 02:21:05	lukelau	And only make IdeBase an instance of LiftsToGhc
2018-08-23 02:44:51	lukelau	Gurkenglas alanz: Do you think this error would be caught by plugin developers during development? https://gist.github.com/Bubba/a883da658692ef8808563f7d188eb63d
2018-08-23 02:49:05	lukelau	Returning a UriCacheFailed doesn’t seem too bad to me since the user will have already provided a default fallback
2018-08-23 02:49:05	lukelau	^user^plugin developer
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2018-08-23 17:07:08	lukelau	alanz Gurkenglas: Did you get my messages last night about the PR? Not sure if they got delivered ok, freenode seems to be acting funny
2018-08-23 17:08:20	Gurkenglas	lukelau, the ones with "<lukelau> Gurkenglas: I think we got rid of the exceptionmonad"? I think so
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2018-08-24 01:03:47	alanz	lukelau, where are we on that PR now
2018-08-24 01:03:49	alanz	?
2018-08-24 01:04:37	lukelau	Depends on what you think of my comments about the implementation of LiftsToGhc
2018-08-24 01:05:08	lukelau	I would personally rather not use error for when trying to lift an IdeDefer
2018-08-24 01:10:42	lukelau	But I think if we plan to use the threading method in the future anyway it doesn’t matter too much in the short term
2018-08-24 01:29:08	alanz	Ok. I guess I need to try to understand what is actually going on there.
2018-08-24 01:29:19	alanz	What do you mean by "the threaded method"?
2018-08-24 01:42:24	alanz	lukelau, I pushed the button
2018-08-24 02:39:07	lukelau	alanz: Gurkenglas’s suggestion for dispatching each request on its own thread
2018-08-24 02:39:56	alanz	I don't think that is a good idea, it potentially blows up resource usage
2018-08-24 02:40:39	alanz	Like right now I am pondering the best way to run an external liquid haskell process, on save, but making sure that there is only ever one running at a time
2018-08-24 02:41:35	alanz	So going to use the plugin data to store a Maybe (process id), and skip if it is already running
2018-08-24 02:41:51	alanz	Either that or kill it and launch a fresh one
2018-08-24 02:51:55	lukelau	Have you had any more thoughts about an API in hie-plugin-api for long lived processes?
2018-08-24 02:58:33	alanz	I am experimenting at the moment to get a feel for it
2018-08-24 02:58:47	alanz	But have not had much time to work on this stuff recently
2018-08-24 03:06:58	hexagoxel	alanz: reminds me of this FRP combinator: https://gist.github.com/lspitzner/18e679006765b308e9dbc41b06e86bbb#file-reflex-additions-hs-L135
2018-08-24 03:07:28	alanz	hexagoxel, thanks, will take a look.
2018-08-24 03:07:37	alanz	Tomorrow. Bed time now
2018-08-24 03:08:09	lukelau	Night!
2018-08-24 03:08:32	hexagoxel	yeah, I am not suggesting to adopt FRP for this anyways. But the properties listed there might be relevant.
2018-08-24 03:08:56	hexagoxel	(and the fact that it is somewhat tricky to get right, even without an external process :)
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2018-08-24 13:19:17	Franciman	hi, any news about supporting nix-style cabal projects?
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2018-08-25 00:35:21	infinisil	Would it make sense to add direnv support for HIE? https://github.com/direnv/direnv
2018-08-25 00:35:53	infinisil	Namely it would enter the direnv environment specified in the root folder's .envrc before doing anything
2018-08-25 00:37:17	infinisil	This would allow setting up env vars so that the correct ghc versions get used
2018-08-25 00:38:16	infinisil	I'm mainly thinking about nix here: direnv has support for entering nix-shells automatically, which is really useful
2018-08-25 00:43:29	alanz	infinisil, it would have to be a configurable option. 
2018-08-25 00:43:46	alanz	And a PR would show us what you mean :)
2018-08-25 00:49:54	infinisil	alanz: I actually just found out that it's as simple as `direnv exec . hie-wrapper`
2018-08-25 00:50:28	infinisil	I just made a quick wrapper that does this and am calling this as the hie binary, and it works!
2018-08-25 01:02:07	infinisil	Although, when I start it with ghc8.4 instead of 8.2 I get `cannot satisfy -package-id base-4.10.1.0`
2018-08-25 01:03:13	infinisil	Even though it says "Using hie version: Version 0.2.2.0 x86_64 ghc-8.4.3"
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2018-08-25 01:57:48	infinisil	Yeah the 8.4 one doesn't really work, multiple weird things going on:
2018-08-25 01:58:15	infinisil	- I get the error above unless I set `base >= 4.11` in my .cabal
2018-08-25 01:58:42	infinisil	- It then spins at 100% CPU for about 3 minutes, without any response
2018-08-25 01:58:55	infinisil	- After that it fails with an internal error on every action
2018-08-25 02:06:44	infinisil	Does HIE have a cache directory somewhere?
2018-08-25 02:06:49	infinisil	alanz: ^
2018-08-25 02:08:31	lukelau	infinisil: Other than .stack-work/dist/dist-newstyle/~/.stack, no
2018-08-25 02:08:56	lukelau	If you start hie with the wrong version you’re going to get that `cannot satisfy -package-id base-4.10.1.0` error
2018-08-25 02:09:07	lukelau	Unless you use hie-wrapper or hie-8.x.y
2018-08-25 02:09:35	infinisil	lukelau: Oh! Clearing the caches made it work!
2018-08-25 02:09:52	infinisil	Not getting that error anymore
2018-08-25 02:10:57	lukelau	Nice
2018-08-25 02:11:03	lukelau	Must have been some specific ghc version cached
2018-08-25 02:11:24	infinisil	Yeah, shouldn't that be handled somewhere?
2018-08-25 02:16:33	infinisil	Still getting internal error though :/
2018-08-25 02:28:22	infinisil	Lol
2018-08-25 02:29:09	infinisil	Well that was stupid, why did it tell me "internal error" when really it just was an error in regards to the version change to 8.4
2018-08-25 02:31:26	infinisil	Note to self: Always make sure to make the build succeed before trying to run HI
2018-08-25 02:31:28	infinisil	E
2018-08-25 03:23:25	infinisil	Sooo.. Is this expected for it to take like 3 minutes to start?
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2018-08-25 15:16:41	Gurkenglas	Trying to build master gets me https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/070859090007e5e6b7bd40ae8e441e5e
2018-08-25 15:22:10	Gurkenglas	Edit with stack solver output :s
2018-08-25 15:22:14	Gurkenglas	*edited
2018-08-25 22:11:30	alanz	lukelau, did you see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/519#issuecomment-415905550?
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2018-08-25 23:38:25	alanz	I am reverting the FreeT commit
2018-08-25 23:43:03	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/785
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2018-08-25 23:57:05	jose_zap	Hi!
2018-08-25 23:57:56	jose_zap	I'd love some guidance on running the tests for HIE, any one here who can help me out?
2018-08-26 00:09:07	alanz	stack test
2018-08-26 00:15:03	alanz	jose_zap, what are you unsure about?
2018-08-26 00:15:43	jose_zap	hey alanz, I'm lorenzo in github. Already contributed one feature and looking forward contributing imports autocomplete
2018-08-26 00:16:12	jose_zap	I was trying to discover how the feature is implemented by running the tests, and change stuff to see how it fails
2018-08-26 00:16:16	alanz	hi, great to see you jumping in
2018-08-26 00:16:24	alanz	ok
2018-08-26 00:16:40	jose_zap	but it seems to me that somehow tests results are cached, as chanigng the files involved often don;t change the test result
2018-08-26 00:16:42	alanz	btw, I am about to revert that new FreeT stuff, it is causing some problems. 
2018-08-26 00:16:45	jose_zap	at least for this particular test
2018-08-26 00:16:53	jose_zap	yeah, I also noticed the slowdown
2018-08-26 00:17:05	jose_zap	sad, because it did make the code cleaner
2018-08-26 00:17:20	alanz	I know stack test does not always rebuild all deps if things change
2018-08-26 00:17:28	alanz	so you sometimes need to do stack build first
2018-08-26 00:17:41	alanz	but that is a pain, because it builds with a different config
2018-08-26 00:17:59	alanz	we will put it back soon enough, once the performance is addressed
2018-08-26 00:18:09	jose_zap	hmm, ok. I've seen this problem both in ghci and plain stack test
2018-08-26 00:18:12	alanz	obviously messed up the defer logic
2018-08-26 00:18:19	jose_zap	yeah...
2018-08-26 00:18:25	alanz	what are you changing?
2018-08-26 00:18:26	jose_zap	so... this is what I'm doing: stack test --test-arguments="-m /Completion/completions/works/" haskell-ide-engine:test:func-test
2018-08-26 00:18:51	alanz	did you do a stack build first?
2018-08-26 00:19:08	alanz	the functional tests do a "stack exec hie" to actually run the exe
2018-08-26 00:19:28	alanz	I guess we need to update the deps to reflect that, if it is possible in the cabal file
2018-08-26 00:19:37	jose_zap	ooh, alright. that makes sense. Let me try that, sound like this is my problem
2018-08-26 00:19:51	alanz	I agree
2018-08-26 00:20:03	alanz	the functional tests are a great way of confirming behaviour.
2018-08-26 00:20:13	alanz	and the outcome of lukelau's GSOC this year
2018-08-26 00:20:26	jose_zap	awesome work btw
2018-08-26 00:20:52	jose_zap	I'm super excited about hie, it's been the  most enjoyable editor experience for haskell I've had so far
2018-08-26 00:21:01	alanz	thanks, but it is a whole bunch of us. Including you now
2018-08-26 00:21:06	jose_zap	:)
2018-08-26 00:21:10	alanz	Great, that is the plan
2018-08-26 00:21:32	alanz	and become a place that people can easily add in tools/features, and have them usable everywhere, instantly
2018-08-26 00:22:20	jose_zap	is the plan that plugins can be added externally without having to recompile hie?
2018-08-26 00:23:25	alanz	The original plan is that you only need to recompile the exe
2018-08-26 00:23:39	alanz	which is why we have that plugins registration stuff at the top of it
2018-08-26 00:24:05	jose_zap	sounds good
2018-08-26 00:24:05	alanz	So make your own project, and provide a custom HieMain
2018-08-26 00:24:24	alanz	but we need to see how that works in practice when we get to that point
2018-08-26 00:24:50	alanz	Because to me it is important to be able to run "private" plugins
2018-08-26 00:25:33	alanz	for whatever reason, be they experimental still, or perhaps checking things that other people are not interested in
2018-08-26 00:25:46	alanz	Like I am working on a liquid haskell plugin at the moment
2018-08-26 00:25:54	alanz	but not everyone wants that
2018-08-26 00:26:21	jose_zap	yeah, that makes sense
2018-08-26 00:26:27	jose_zap	other compiled languages offer plugins through implementing a network protocol. Golang projects for instance would do it over grpc
2018-08-26 00:26:38	alanz	And, I want to be able to get a core hie out quickly for a new GHC, and let the various plugins get enabled as the upstream projects become compatible
2018-08-26 00:27:17	alanz	Yes, but for us a lot of them do useful stuff with the TypeCheckedModule, that needs to be shared in the address space
2018-08-26 00:27:38	jose_zap	right, it would be quite a challenge to serialize that
2018-08-26 00:27:39	alanz	I wonder if you could share a memory-mapped file between processes.
2018-08-26 00:28:18	alanz	yes, that is the approach the original FPCO ide backend took, but it was a major bottleneck, I understand
2018-08-26 00:28:51	 *	alanz afk. Springboks vs Argentina
2018-08-26 00:28:54	jose_zap	interesting, did not know about that. It does certainly sound like more effort
2018-08-26 00:29:01	jose_zap	alanz thanks for your hint, that was my problem
2018-08-26 00:29:51	jose_zap	it would be lovely to have this working for ghci, but I see how it is difficult if it is using the binary for tests
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2018-08-26 15:42:30	Gurkenglas	Replacing the Response stuff with FreeT slows stuff down? Weird. Maybe that could be bisected. Do we have a test that illustrates it?
2018-08-26 16:18:06	jose_zap	Are there plans to distribute HIE as a binary? as opposed to having to build it locally
2018-08-26 16:26:01	infinisil	jose_zap: hie-nix (https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix) provides binaries through cachix (https://cachix.org/), both of which are by domenkozar :)
2018-08-26 16:26:28	infinisil	jose_zap: only requirement is having Nix, which works on all Linux distros
2018-08-26 16:27:17	jose_zap	that's cool for people using nix. I was thinking of newcomers to haskell
2018-08-26 16:27:45	jose_zap	but that's a neat project, will check it out
2018-08-26 16:41:19	infinisil	jose_zap: nix isn't haskell though, and neither nix (language) nor haskell knowledge is required to use both those projects
2018-08-26 16:41:32	jose_zap	yeah I undersntand that
2018-08-26 16:41:50	jose_zap	I'm on a Mac though
2018-08-26 16:42:04	jose_zap	so I can't easily benefit from that
2018-08-26 16:51:06	Gurkenglas	We have CI for Windows, and one could download Windows binaries from that, maybe someone could do something like that for Mac
2018-08-26 16:51:26	infinisil	jose_zap: Oh yeah, while i think it would still build on mac, i'm not sure if caches are available
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2018-08-27 00:29:45	lukelau	Woops, looks like my FreeT PR causes IdeMs to be run re-run several times
2018-08-27 00:29:58	lukelau	Just from a quick glance at the dispatcher logs
2018-08-27 01:03:04	Gurkenglas	Dangit, I didn't check whether the iterT was done right, was it that?
2018-08-27 01:11:41	Gurkenglas	Weird, the dispatcher looks fine to me. lukelau, I can't get hie to build, maybe one could do something like printing a call stack whereever the duplicated log happens so we can look at the last common ancestor
2018-08-27 01:12:14	Gurkenglas	Because that one ought to be responsible for the duplication
2018-08-27 01:14:04	Gurkenglas	(Hoping that printing a call stack means "given a value, who put it here?")
2018-08-27 01:15:26	Gurkenglas	And if that's not how it works, maybe check whether the requestQueue contains duplicates at any point
2018-08-27 01:16:42	lukelau	Gurkenglas: Ignore what I said earlier, multiple IdeM requests were made per request before the merge
2018-08-27 01:17:09	lukelau	I’m trying a git bisect to see where/when performance dropped
2018-08-27 01:17:24	lukelau	Hopefully there will be a drop in testing time
2018-08-27 01:17:30	lukelau	*an increase
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2018-08-27 02:42:07	alanz	Gurkenglas, lukelau I think the slowdown is because the defer process is not working properly, it is re-loading the file each time rather than using the cached one
2018-08-27 02:42:14	alanz	But have not been able to look yet
2018-08-27 02:44:45	jose_zap	do you guys think this is acceptable? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/788
2018-08-27 02:44:48	lukelau	alanz: Is there a file in hie to test this on?
2018-08-27 02:45:29	alanz	lukelau, I am guessing about this.
2018-08-27 02:45:32	lukelau	Or a specific feature that it chugs on
2018-08-27 02:45:45	lukelau	I’m not noticing much difference but could be my OS
2018-08-27 02:45:46	alanz	But have been tied down to other stuff today, so could not look
2018-08-27 02:46:07	alanz	Perhaps look at the issue I reference when I revert it
2018-08-27 02:46:15	alanz	and ask that person for an example
2018-08-27 02:46:34	alanz	at least one other person said they had experiences a slowdown too
2018-08-27 02:47:07	alanz	And when I built is and used it locally, it did not seem to be responding at all.
2018-08-27 02:47:29	lukelau	That’s pretty bad, I will need to make a test case for this
2018-08-27 02:47:31	alanz	So I figured I would rollback, we could investigate, then put it back after whatever minor tweaks are needed
2018-08-27 02:47:31	infinisil	Am here btw
2018-08-27 02:47:58	lukelau	infinisil: Is there a specific file where it hung/became unresponsive? Or was this for every file
2018-08-27 02:47:58	alanz	yes, a decent test case for the deferred behaviour is required
2018-08-27 02:48:19	infinisil	lukelau: I just tested on my Main.hs, will link to the code in a bit
2018-08-27 02:48:30	lukelau	thanks!
2018-08-27 02:49:41	infinisil	lukelau: https://github.com/Infinisil/nixbot/blob/reformed/src/Main.hs
2018-08-27 02:49:44	lukelau	jose_zap: sorry it took me a while to check out your PR, it looks great
2018-08-27 02:50:02	jose_zap	no worries, thanks for the review
2018-08-27 02:50:10	jose_zap	I'll try to push some changes soon :)
2018-08-27 02:50:28	lukelau	I’m not sure what’s causing the cabal-helper errors to come up all of a sudden
2018-08-27 02:50:35	lukelau	Do you have cabal-install installed?
2018-08-27 02:50:50	jose_zap	the errors are caused by a new version of cabal-helper
2018-08-27 02:51:06	jose_zap	coming from hackage, whereas we sued to have it a submodule
2018-08-27 02:51:14	jose_zap	going back to the submodule makes it work again
2018-08-27 02:52:10	infinisil	lukelau: alanz: I just made my project new-build compatible (although the only thing that needs is a cabal.project file apparently)
2018-08-27 02:52:21	infinisil	Just thought I'd mention it
2018-08-27 02:52:51	infinisil	And using GHC8.4.3
2018-08-27 02:52:53	alanz	hie does not support new build. BUT, if you use new-build, it drops .ghc.env.xxxx files, which break stack
2018-08-27 02:53:04	alanz	so you should delete them
2018-08-27 02:53:10	infinisil	Not using stack though
2018-08-27 02:53:16	infinisil	Oh
2018-08-27 02:53:31	infinisil	Yeah no, not using stack (anymore)
2018-08-27 02:53:51	alanz	well, we are still needing new-build support, in ghc-mod
2018-08-27 02:53:53	lukelau	infinisil: Can you build nixbot without nix installed?
2018-08-27 02:54:19	infinisil	lukelau: Well I'm getting all my dependencies from Nix, tbh not sure how I'd get them otherwise
2018-08-27 02:54:22	dxld	lukelau: it's my fault I guess, did a couple of hackage revisions, see https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/issues/58
2018-08-27 02:55:17	infinisil	If nobody's got a clue, I could put together a fully reproducible example (with Nix)
2018-08-27 02:55:34	infinisil	And minimize it a bunch
2018-08-27 02:56:05	lukelau	dxld jose_zap: Ah, that’s fine then we can just add a minor version constraint on extra-deps for now
2018-08-27 02:56:32	dxld	you should just bump up to .2
2018-08-27 02:56:43	jose_zap	already tried that
2018-08-27 02:56:48	dxld	that's supposed to replace the two broken versions
2018-08-27 02:56:53	jose_zap	it won't build with .2
2018-08-27 02:57:57	jose_zap	I tried it in travis, where there is no build cache https://travis-ci.org/lorenzo/haskell-ide-engine/jobs/420813901
2018-08-27 02:58:09	jose_zap	this was the commit https://github.com/lorenzo/haskell-ide-engine/commit/b13b6baa9fb3da33c987c19c2cf988cd6216a73a
2018-08-27 03:00:14	dxld	ugh, if I'd have to guess, looks like stack doesn't handle build-tool-depends right when a component in a package depends on an executable in the same package
2018-08-27 03:00:36	dxld	though I'm not sure if stack even supports build-tool-depends yet
2018-08-27 03:00:59	lukelau	jose_zap: Oooh could I steal your .travis.yml for macOS testing?
2018-08-27 03:01:07	jose_zap	sure thing
2018-08-27 03:01:20	lukelau	That might bring us one step closer to binaries
2018-08-27 03:01:26	jose_zap	I was trying to set it up for building the binaries when tagging a version
2018-08-27 03:01:45	lukelau	Feel free to make a PR for that :)
2018-08-27 03:02:11	jose_zap	yeah, I just need to break it down somehow, or feed it some cache the first time
2018-08-27 03:02:22	jose_zap	a cold build takes longer than 50 minutes, which is the limit in travis
2018-08-27 03:02:54	infinisil	lukelau: alanz: I figured it out!
2018-08-27 03:02:58	infinisil	The slowdown
2018-08-27 03:03:09	lukelau	infinisil: ?
2018-08-27 03:03:13	infinisil	Well I don't know why, but {-# LANGUAGE TemplateHaskell #-}
2018-08-27 03:03:27	infinisil	Removing that makes it fast
2018-08-27 03:03:45	infinisil	All other 7 extensions i was using in Main.hs didn't influence this
2018-08-27 03:03:56	lukelau	Wait does this still happen on the current master with templatehaskell?
2018-08-27 03:06:18	infinisil	I'm not entirely sure if that's the only thing that slowed it down, but on an almost empty file (just main = putStrLn "hi") and TemplateHaskell it takes it at least 10 seconds to start (i didn't wait longer), and removing TemplateHaskell makes it start in less than a second
2018-08-27 03:07:22	infinisil	There seems to be something else slowing it down too..
2018-08-27 03:08:57	infinisil	Yeah still seems to take 3 minutes even with all template haskell removed from that file
2018-08-27 03:09:39	lukelau	Probably the deferred stuff not working, my bad
2018-08-27 03:10:40	infinisil	The only more info I have for now is that the syscall I see it waiting on in htop is "futex(0x7272708, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 0, NULL
2018-08-27 03:11:12	infinisil	lukelau: You sure? I can bisect the issue some more if that's needed
2018-08-27 03:11:20	lukelau	If you could that would be great
2018-08-27 03:11:25	lukelau	I’m still trying to recreate it on nixbot
2018-08-27 03:11:37	lukelau	Could you also link the hie logs?
2018-08-27 03:11:47	lukelau	hie -d -l /tmp/hie.log or something
2018-08-27 03:13:50	infinisil	Yeah
2018-08-27 03:17:58	infinisil	lukelau: https://gist.github.com/Infinisil/d480967ced87f011a6782890fa83dfd9
2018-08-27 03:19:24	infinisil	Note the 4 minute log silence on line 66
2018-08-27 03:22:20	lukelau	Hm seems to happen during the first typecheck
2018-08-27 03:22:42	lukelau	Can you also try it with `hie -d --vomit -l /tmp/hie.log`?
2018-08-27 03:22:53	lukelau	To see what ghc-mod is doing
2018-08-27 03:23:28	infinisil	Ah yeaoh
2018-08-27 03:24:50	infinisil	lukelau: I'll wait the 3 minutes until it's done again, but while that's running no additional logs appear
2018-08-27 03:25:04	lukelau	Ok, thanks
2018-08-27 03:25:19	lukelau	Some of these might appear in stderr as well
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2018-08-27 03:26:02	infinisil	Not sure how I could get to that, I'm using it via emacs
2018-08-27 03:26:59	infinisil	Oh, now it displayed some logs, but now it's silent again
2018-08-27 03:27:08	infinisil	The three minutes aren't over yet though
2018-08-27 03:27:16	lukelau	Is it from ghc-mod?
2018-08-27 03:27:33	infinisil	Reactor, Idedispatcher, jsonrpc, doesn't look like it
2018-08-27 03:27:46	infinisil	I'll post in a bit
2018-08-27 03:29:49	lukelau	alanz Gurkenglas: Oh god I just found out pending github review comments are only visible to me! 
2018-08-27 03:29:54	lukelau	And I’ve been leaving them all over the place
2018-08-27 03:30:01	infinisil	Lol
2018-08-27 03:30:11	infinisil	So here are the logs of this run: https://gist.github.com/Infinisil/b760ec5e4a46b02b168136a9781e4a18
2018-08-27 03:30:32	infinisil	Sorry they're a bit more crowded than before, but there are 2 timejumps now, one after like a minute
2018-08-27 03:30:58	infinisil	It even seemed to reply with some empty stuff
2018-08-27 03:31:42	infinisil	What I'm noticing is that all messages after the delay get flooded in the logs at once
2018-08-27 03:31:47	lukelau	Time jump is around line 220 right?
2018-08-27 03:32:56	infinisil	The big one yeah
2018-08-27 03:33:58	Gurkenglas	lukelau, whatcha mean by pending?
2018-08-27 03:34:13	Gurkenglas	Where you haven't pressed the "Submit Review" button?
2018-08-27 03:34:28	lukelau	I don’t see any of the ghc-mod output here, if you’re using lsp-mode I think there’s a setting for a buffer for stderr
2018-08-27 03:35:01	lukelau	infinisil: Are you getting this slowdown on the latest version of master though?
2018-08-27 03:35:01	infinisil	Hmm, moving around now I can get it to occasionally output the logs for these events, and it always replies with an empty message, all kinda delayed though, in big swats
2018-08-27 03:35:14	lukelau	Gurkenglas: yeah
2018-08-27 03:35:17	infinisil	lukelau: No I'm using the one before the revert
2018-08-27 03:35:38	lukelau	Does it go away with the latest master?
2018-08-27 03:36:14	infinisil	I'd have to compile it first, which doesn't work because some cabal-helper error
2018-08-27 03:36:35	lukelau	Gurkenglas: I thought pending meant as in pending submitter changes
2018-08-27 03:41:15	infinisil	lukelau: Apparently removing all imports to my own modules also gets rid of the performance problem
2018-08-27 03:42:05	lukelau	infinisil: Are your own modules using template haskell?
2018-08-27 03:43:15	infinisil	Yeah, I'll see if removing that helps
2018-08-27 03:45:20	infinisil	lukelau: Yeah that seems to be it!
2018-08-27 03:46:27	infinisil	So it has the problem if any module in the closure uses the template haskell extension
2018-08-27 03:48:12	infinisil	lukelau: You mentioned earlier you knew about such a problem before? Got a commit/issue number?
2018-08-27 03:51:59	Gurkenglas	Which closure? Imports within the project? Globally?
2018-08-27 03:53:58	infinisil	Gurkenglas: imports from the current file, closure of all imports over my modules
2018-08-27 03:54:16	infinisil	I'm not sure if modules outside of my own are affected
2018-08-27 03:54:33	infinisil	What's a package that uses template haskell?
2018-08-27 03:55:30	lukelau	infinisil: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/562
2018-08-27 03:55:49	lukelau	I don’t think its related but this was caused by anyhing using templatehaskell trigger the integer-gmp bug
2018-08-27 03:56:05	lukelau	*using *triggering
2018-08-27 03:56:55	infinisil	Yeah doesn't seem directly related, but probably indirectly
2018-08-27 03:56:58	Gurkenglas	Can we log the module cache entry file names for some TH file? Maybe we'll see many slightly different file names
2018-08-27 03:57:20	lukelau	infinisil: By the way jose_zap has a branch that builds, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/788
2018-08-27 03:58:59	infinisil	Thanks, I'll try it
2018-08-27 03:59:49	Gurkenglas	Does LANGUAGE TemplateHaskell slow it down even if you don't actually change anything else?
2018-08-27 04:00:57	infinisil	Gurkenglas: Yes, I can actually add TemplateHaskell while it's running and get the hang for the many minutes without any responsiveness
2018-08-27 04:01:27	infinisil	Although actually it *is* responsive, but veeeery slowly, takes about 20 seconds for e.g. the doc view to appear
2018-08-27 04:02:44	infinisil	That is `module Main where main = putStrLn "hi"` is fast, adding TemplateHaskell makes it slow for minutes
2018-08-27 04:03:25	lukelau	dxld: Filing a stack bug for that
2018-08-27 04:04:06	Gurkenglas	(I continue being unable to build hie: https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/070859090007e5e6b7bd40ae8e441e5e )
2018-08-27 04:05:50	infinisil	Gurkenglas: After these 4 minutes passed, the performance is normal and usable, I can even remove the TemplateHaskell part and readd it again, the slowdown won't happen again
2018-08-27 04:06:04	infinisil	However when I restart HIE, it *does* happen again
2018-08-27 04:08:00	Gurkenglas	Which is of course shameful. Surely it can't be more than a few lines to get basic caching
2018-08-27 04:08:26	dxld	lukelau: cool thanks
2018-08-27 04:08:48	Gurkenglas	Let's see, we'd need a Serializable or something instance for UriCache
2018-08-27 04:09:33	Gurkenglas	I wonder if UriCache has a Data instance
2018-08-27 04:11:50	Gurkenglas	http://hackage.haskell.org/package/dynamic-state-0.3.1/docs/Data-DynamicState-Serializable.html seems relevant
2018-08-27 04:13:03	Gurkenglas	Okay, CachedModule then. The last three fields will have to become symbolic
2018-08-27 04:14:33	infinisil	Should I open an issue for that specifically? Because https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/519 is closed
2018-08-27 04:15:40	Gurkenglas	I think we should reopen it?
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2018-08-27 04:15:53	Gurkenglas	(and should never have closed)
2018-08-27 04:16:25	infinisil	Ah yeah
2018-08-27 04:16:30	lukelau	dxld: 0.8.1.0 was reuploaded on hackage right?
2018-08-27 04:25:50	dxld	lukelau: reuploaded? no. I did a revision: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/cabal-helper-0.8.1.0/revisions
2018-08-27 04:26:26	infinisil	Gurkenglas: lukelau: I can't reopen the issue btw, somebody else will have to
2018-08-27 04:26:58	lukelau	dxld: Is it possible to specify a revision of a dependency in a cabal file for now?
2018-08-27 04:27:10	dxld	no not in a cabal file
2018-08-27 04:27:27	dxld	but you might be able to specify it in stack.yaml, not sure
2018-08-27 04:28:36	lukelau	ohohoho looks like you can specify the revision
2018-08-27 04:28:53	lukelau	Well it would be nice if it worked with stack in the first place, this sucks
2018-08-27 04:31:02	dxld	yup, stack sucks, you got it :)
2018-08-27 04:31:53	dxld	I suppose I could upload another version without the build-tool-depends, it's not actually required with build-type:custom
2018-08-27 04:32:41	dxld	but then again the next version will just do away with the whole wrapper executable altogether
2018-08-27 04:33:45	lukelau	We can tide over for now if we just specify the build number
2018-08-27 04:33:54	lukelau	*revision
2018-08-27 04:33:59	dxld	yeah, good
2018-08-27 04:34:04	lukelau	Looking forward to the new-build support by the way
2018-08-27 04:34:26	dxld	still have to figure out how to plumb that through ghc-mod
2018-08-27 04:34:27	lukelau	It will close so many issues in hie
2018-08-27 04:34:32	dxld	:)
2018-08-27 04:37:30	infinisil	I just switched my project from stack to cabal, not because stack had a problem, but because I can only use Nix dependencies via cabal, and it just handles better with nix in general
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2018-08-27 14:20:39	jose_zap	is there an official stance on running brittany on HIE files?
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2018-08-27 18:59:34	lukelau	jose_zap: I think the only styling stance we have is to keep the max column to about 110 characters
2018-08-27 19:11:16	alanz	And I second iceland_jack, I believe formatting belongs to the user. But we should encourage brittany, and in the event of arguments use it to resolve them
2018-08-27 19:11:51	alanz	I like to be able to format code to emphasise commonality, when it exists
2018-08-27 19:11:59	alanz	this is not always done by formatters
2018-08-27 19:16:28	lukelau	jose_zap alanz Gurkenglas: For https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/783 instead of trying to do this dodgey formatted check should we just expose an LSP config switch instead?
2018-08-27 19:18:25	jose_zap	lukelau that's the result of a code action, right?
2018-08-27 19:19:10	jose_zap	maybe offer 2 actions, the first default to inserting already formatted, the other inserts alone
2018-08-27 19:20:04	jose_zap	alanz I like to use HIE while developing HIE, so we discover errors an oportunities for improvement. I feel like using brittany for it fits that case
2018-08-27 19:20:23	jose_zap	for instance, one motivator for removing CCP in the HIEExtras file was so that I could eventally call brittany on it
2018-08-27 19:30:15	hexagoxel	(yeah, it is sad that due to CPP usage (which is hard to avoid) the brittany sources can not be auto-formatted..)
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2018-08-27 20:33:06	Gurkenglas	Technically impossible, or nobody implemented it? I'm thinking evaluate the ifdef both ways, auto-format both, and express the diff of the results with an ifdef
2018-08-27 20:35:06	hexagoxel	Gurkenglas: in general CPP can break up stuff in the middle of any syntactic construct, which makes it at least very hard to support
2018-08-27 20:36:04	hexagoxel	for example you could have a "when foo $ do" guarded by CPP, which would affect the indentation of all below
2018-08-27 20:36:29	hexagoxel	you cannot really treat both paths independently
2018-08-27 20:37:55	hexagoxel	if you CPP-guard only whole top-level module elements then things are much more possible, but that is only partially implemented.
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2018-08-27 20:56:21	jose_zap	is there a working log for this room? I probably missed the answers to my previous messages
2018-08-27 20:57:36	alanz	hexagoxel, one of the things I would like to see is a reduced power preprocessor, instead of CPP
2018-08-27 20:57:55	alanz	that could only to #if type stuff, at the line level
2018-08-27 20:58:34	hexagoxel	wasn't this proposed on some mailing list or on reddit recently?
2018-08-27 20:58:51	hexagoxel	i certainly agree that such would be nice to have
2018-08-27 20:58:54	alanz	jose_zap, see https://gist.github.com/alanz/0c992abdcb64a251006ac93d4e711c97
2018-08-27 20:59:11	alanz	via my znc bouncer, just changed locations, got the scrollback
2018-08-27 20:59:28	alanz	hexagoxel, I propose it from time to time
2018-08-27 20:59:35	alanz	it was possibly me.
2018-08-27 20:59:40	jose_zap	thanks alanz 
2018-08-27 20:59:44	alanz	I would love to see someone else doing it
2018-08-27 20:59:45	hexagoxel	:)
2018-08-27 21:00:21	alanz	I believe the hspp is a candidate, potentially operating in some kind of reduced mode, which would also return the stuff excluded, so tools could find it
2018-08-27 21:04:24	jose_zap	back to my question before, in files where no cpp is present, is it ok if I apply brittany as I go? Or would you rather not mess with the style that way
2018-08-27 21:06:12	hexagoxel	i don't want to talk for HIE
2018-08-27 21:06:59	alanz	jose_zap, in general, it is better to do a commit with just formatting changes. Nothing worse than seeing 200 changes, 199 of them being format
2018-08-27 21:07:06	hexagoxel	but in general i think you should only format things that you immediately touch. if the code-base is not properly formatted, there should be a separate PR for this
2018-08-27 21:07:17	alanz	agree
2018-08-27 21:07:30	jose_zap	I agree with that too
2018-08-27 21:07:40	alanz	That is the GHC policy too.
2018-08-27 21:07:46	hexagoxel	and for the latter, any other open PRs can easily block it, which may delay it until some relatively clean state arrives
2018-08-27 21:08:15	alanz	yes
2018-08-27 21:08:18	hexagoxel	(after a release perhaps)
2018-08-27 21:08:26	alanz	formatting also obscures history
2018-08-27 21:08:41	jose_zap	yeah, it definitely does
2018-08-27 21:08:45	alanz	so rather do it when touching the code for some reason at the same time
2018-08-27 21:09:20	alanz	We should actually be able to do semantic diffs, at the AST level, so formatting is irrelevant
2018-08-27 21:09:32	 *	alanz one day ...
2018-08-27 21:10:06	hexagoxel	i have disabled indentation-diffs in my diff viewer already, which helps a tiny bit
2018-08-27 21:14:10	alanz	yes
2018-08-27 21:15:18	lukelau	alanz infinisil: Could you try cloning this branch https://github.com/Bubba/haskell-ide-engine/tree/777-redux and running `stack bench`? 
2018-08-27 21:15:57	alanz	lukelau, ok
2018-08-27 21:16:32	lukelau	It should print out a list of times corresponding to the time it takes to make some requests, and I’m hoping to see that the first one is significantly longer than the subsequent ones,
2018-08-27 21:17:32	alanz	ok, blew away my .stack-work, launched it
2018-08-27 21:18:45	lukelau	thanks
2018-08-27 21:19:21	infinisil	Started it too, will take a while though
2018-08-27 21:22:09	alanz	Benchmark bench: RUNNING...               
2018-08-27 21:22:09	alanz	[2.241986623s,0.756465025s,0.721713832s,0.697180528s,0.742478579s,0.701760209s,0.712409711s,0.704331938s,0.699902747s,0.732316885s]
2018-08-27 21:22:09	alanz	Benchmark bench: FINISH                   
2018-08-27 21:24:58	lukelau	Seems to be caching something
2018-08-27 21:25:46	lukelau	Are you still seeing performance issues when running hie within an editor on that branch?
2018-08-27 21:25:55	alanz	I have not tried
2018-08-27 21:26:06	alanz	and I did not see performance issue, just non-operation
2018-08-27 21:26:15	alanz	I can try it though, hold on
2018-08-27 21:30:10	alanz	lukelau, looking at your tests, that time could be just warming up the Linux filesystem cache
2018-08-27 21:30:28	alanz	so that after the first one all the files are in memory, basically
2018-08-27 21:30:52	alanz	the first time being much longer, that is
2018-08-27 21:31:41	lukelau	https://github.com/Bubba/haskell-ide-engine/tree/no-777-bench here’s a branch for benching without that PR
2018-08-27 21:31:56	lukelau	I’m going to stick in some logging to confirm that its actually using the memory cached modules
2018-08-27 21:31:57	alanz	ok, hold on
2018-08-27 21:32:31	alanz	lukelau, remember, there is linux operating system level caching going on too
2018-08-27 21:32:59	alanz	I am still waiting for the 777 branch to install, having called make
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2018-08-27 21:43:54	lukelau	Ok, pushed some commits with logging
2018-08-27 21:44:24	alanz	lukelau, much the same result
2018-08-27 21:44:26	alanz	Benchmark bench: RUNNING...               
2018-08-27 21:44:26	alanz	[2.244674349s,0.732030417s,0.753110641s,0.704548384s,0.70863428s,0.735152603s,0.713057384s,0.715330239s,0.731548124s,0.715805967s]
2018-08-27 21:44:26	alanz	Benchmark bench: FINISH                   
2018-08-27 21:44:37	SIben	Hello
2018-08-27 21:45:19	lukelau	alanz: thanks
2018-08-27 21:46:09	lukelau	tail -f /tmp/hie.log | grep "cached module" on 777-redux should show you when its using the cache and when its deferring it to typecheck
2018-08-27 21:47:20	lukelau	It seems to look ok on my end, opening up app/MainHie.hs and calling document symbols uses the cache correctly in macOS land
2018-08-27 21:48:04	lukelau	I have a feeling I’ve done something wrong with `canonicalizePath` or some other platform dependent thing
2018-08-27 21:49:45	SIben	I'm looking to implement a language server for a language I am working on and developed using Haskell, and I stumbled upon haskell-lsp. I read that it is "not ready for casual use yet", but is there some kind of documentation available anywhere? Couldn't seem to find that on the project's repo.
2018-08-27 21:49:50	SIben	Thanks for your help :)
2018-08-27 22:01:16	lukelau	SIben: The best documentation on how to use it is probably with the example file in haskell-lsp’s source
2018-08-27 22:01:35	lukelau	I believe in example/Main.hs
2018-08-27 22:01:55	SIben	Thanks lukelau! That was what I was looking at, but wanted to check if there was something more straightforward available :)
2018-08-27 22:08:20	lukelau	I’m not sure of any other examples, apart from hie itself and the docs on haddock, but I’m happy to try answering your questions to the extent of what I know!
2018-08-27 22:08:53	lukelau	I’ve never made a language server with it myself, just used it within hie
2018-08-27 22:10:14	SIben	Awesome, I'll keep that in mind! Hopefully I'll figure out a whole lot from the example already :)
2018-08-27 23:03:59	alanz	lukelau, your version hangs for me, like master did. I will investigate, with logging. basically hangs on codeAction
2018-08-27 23:04:20	alanz	And is probably related to https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/791
2018-08-27 23:28:41	alanz	and now I am confused
2018-08-27 23:59:36	alanz	lukelau, I suspect we can reinstate your commit
2018-08-28 01:23:08	infinisil	alanz: The same hang I've been getting?
2018-08-28 01:23:42	alanz	infinisil, I am seeing something related to codeActions, I think.
2018-08-28 01:23:54	alanz	But it comes and goes, so is possibly timing related
2018-08-28 01:23:56	infinisil	Ah then prob not
2018-08-28 01:24:11	alanz	as in, it showed up, and I have not been able to reproduce it
2018-08-28 02:08:13	lukelau	alanz: That could be the HaRe code actions
2018-08-28 02:08:33	lukelau	They’re relatively new and use deferred module stuff
2018-08-28 02:09:24	alanz	lukelau, codeActions need to return immediately, so should never be deferred
2018-08-28 02:09:58	alanz	I wonder if we should introduce something that captures the "immediate of fail/default" operation
2018-08-28 02:10:11	alanz	for things like hover, codeAction, etc
2018-08-28 02:10:16	lukelau	alanz: Yes, we need another helper function similar to withCachedModule
2018-08-28 02:10:26	lukelau	maybe `whenCachedModule` or something
2018-08-28 02:10:40	alanz	yes
2018-08-28 02:10:52	lukelau	Actually this would be one of the benefits of splitting up IdeM into IdeM and IdeDefer
2018-08-28 02:11:13	lukelau	So we can specify when its ok to defer and when its not
2018-08-28 02:11:21	alanz	I agree. Make it crystal clear what behaviour you are getting/asking for
2018-08-28 02:12:15	alanz	And in a related note, the hoverProvider and codeActionProvider should then be in IdeM (not IdeGhcM, not IdeDefer)
2018-08-28 02:13:48	alanz	I think codeActionPovider is currently IdeGhcM
2018-08-28 02:14:26	lukelau	Its in IdeM
2018-08-28 02:14:43	lukelau	But IdeM where you can defer (IdeM (IdeResponse))
2018-08-28 02:17:39	alanz	I know one of them is in IdeGhcM
2018-08-28 02:18:25	alanz	diagnosticProvider
2018-08-28 02:18:30	lukelau	The diagnostic one is IdeGhcM, but that should be ok right?
2018-08-28 02:18:49	alanz	well, strictly speaking only the ghc-mod one should be
2018-08-28 02:19:06	alanz	hlint doesn't need to be, and all the others should be defer
2018-08-28 02:19:19	alanz	if they need the TypeCheckedModule
2018-08-28 02:20:02	alanz	So I would rather treat ghc-mod as a special case, and make the rest IdeM (deferrable)
2018-08-28 02:46:06	lukelau	Should we maybe move IdeGhcM out of hie-plugin-api then? 
2018-08-28 02:46:25	lukelau	No plugin should really have to use it
2018-08-28 02:46:44	lukelau	And ghc-mod shouldn’t really be considered a plugin since its a bit more baked in
2018-08-28 02:49:59	alanz	That might be a good idea
2018-08-28 02:57:04	lukelau	On an unrelated note, is mempty preferred over []?
2018-08-28 02:58:22	alanz	weakly
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2018-08-28 04:17:39	hexagoxel	alanz: you getting pinged from #haskell i assume?
2018-08-28 04:18:03	hexagoxel	might boil to one simple question: is there a reason there are no install instructions for new-building hie?
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2018-08-28 05:46:47	lukelau	hexagoxel: do you mean cabal new-build?
2018-08-28 06:00:49	sclv	Yes
2018-08-28 06:05:57	lukelau	I think you can just do git submodule update --init; cabal new-build
2018-08-28 06:06:08	lukelau	It doesn’t need anything particularly fancy
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2018-08-28 06:26:55	sclv	lukelau: the instructions should be updated then
2018-08-28 06:27:35	sclv	I think that only the “complicated” cases being documented leads to the misappropriation that only those cases are supported
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2018-08-28 12:00:56	alanz	I think the new-build install doesn't work because of locating cabal-helper
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2018-08-28 18:01:21	lukelau	alanz: Are you saying that we should just set fdefer-type-errors?
2018-08-28 18:01:48	alanz	yes, may as well use the umbrella one.
2018-08-28 18:02:12	alanz	i.e. if it makes sense to use it for typed holes, it does for type errors too
2018-08-28 18:02:17	alanz	we want maximum info
2018-08-28 18:03:20	alanz	Possibly we should see about converting the reported diagnostics back to errors, in hie. But we want to be able to get as much info from GHC as possible, and that at least gives us names, symbols, references, other types etc
2018-08-28 18:03:42	lukelau	I think this would be a good short-term solution, if we were to aim to do this at some stage https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/777#discussion_r211399839
2018-08-28 18:04:08	lukelau	I’m not sure if you saw it, I only recently found out that “pending” comments aren’t visible to anyone else but me
2018-08-28 18:04:53	alanz	I agree we should do that
2018-08-28 18:05:06	alanz	but this setting affects the typechecked source
2018-08-28 18:05:16	alanz	so we should do it too
2018-08-28 18:05:31	alanz	worst case we have a flag to disable it, if it really upsets someone
2018-08-28 18:05:35	lukelau	Makes sense
2018-08-28 18:06:23	alanz	My basic view is that the more info we can get the better, despite compilation failure etc
2018-08-28 18:07:02	lukelau	Yes, at the moment its quite frustrating that a lot of functionality is limited until you get the module to compile first
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2018-08-28 18:07:11	jose_zap	+1 It is annoying when the language server stops working because of you are in the middle of writing a function which results in a type error
2018-08-28 18:07:13	alanz	exactly
2018-08-28 18:07:48	lukelau	Also in that redux-777 branch I split out IdeM/IdeDefer, so code action providers should return immediately, whenever you have time could you check to see if this fixes the hanging?
2018-08-28 18:08:34	alanz	ok, will install it.
2018-08-28 18:08:53	alanz	I realised the hanging is dependent on specific conditions, which I have not isolated
2018-08-28 18:09:04	lukelau	Sorry for pestering you with this
2018-08-28 18:09:07	alanz	btw, what is the status of https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/783?
2018-08-28 18:09:40	alanz	its not pestering, I am happy to get it in. I just had a shock when I saw hanging and others reported issues too
2018-08-28 18:09:59	alanz	And my time has been constrained recently, so I had not been running it much, so did not have a feel for it
2018-08-28 18:10:04	alanz	Much happier now
2018-08-28 18:10:12	lukelau	I think there needs to be some discussion about whether it should always be on/should we try to detect it/should it be a setting
2018-08-28 18:11:21	alanz	I reckon make it always on, and make it a setting on the unlikely event someone complains
2018-08-28 18:11:30	alanz	keep it as simple as possible
2018-08-28 18:11:48	alanz	oh, sorry, the hsimport one. I was still thinking of the errors.
2018-08-28 18:11:52	jose_zap	lukelau what was your take on offering as 2 different code actions, defaulting it to automatically format?
2018-08-28 18:12:07	alanz	but the same principle holds
2018-08-28 18:12:56	lukelau	jose_zap: That’s also an option, I would be careful about not returning too many code actions though, it looks quite cluttered in vscode with 5 returned already
2018-08-28 18:13:27	lukelau	I was also having second thoughts about all those HaRe code actions too
2018-08-28 18:13:54	jose_zap	lukelau I was also thinking, doesn't brittany need more context for formatting? If I remember correctly it aligns all the imports based on the longest one
2018-08-28 18:13:55	lukelau	In vscode they only show up when you explicitly select the refactor command, but in vim it shows up like eveyerwhere
2018-08-28 18:14:28	lukelau	Yeah I think trying to detect it is pretty futile
2018-08-28 18:14:33	jose_zap	In vim is not a huge problem as you can fuzzy search on all the available actions for the line
2018-08-28 18:14:38	alanz	lukelau, I think the clients have to catch up to that still
2018-08-28 18:15:12	alanz	the emacs one also shows all the refactor commands. They should only be available if you ask for them, like in vscode
2018-08-28 18:15:23	alanz	I guess I should make an issue, or try fix the code
2018-08-28 18:15:34	alanz	except my elisp skills are rudimentary
2018-08-28 18:15:48	lukelau	I think my main two votes would be then for two separate code actions, or just have it always on and have an LSP config setting
2018-08-28 18:16:15	alanz	Lets have it always on, then fall back to twin code actions on complain
2018-08-28 18:16:42	alanz	too many knobs and dials makes it hard to use
2018-08-28 18:16:57	alanz	So we put them in if there is an actual need
2018-08-28 18:20:22	lukelau	Ok
2018-08-28 18:20:57	lukelau	By the way is there any tool for enforcing brittany styling via CI, what jose_zap mentioned earlier?
2018-08-28 18:22:16	jose_zap	I can write a script for that, should be easy. Basically compared before and after and then return a non 0 status if something is different
2018-08-28 18:22:48	jose_zap	that, or contribute a flag for brittany to exit 1 when it changed anything, like gofmt does
2018-08-28 18:24:57	lukelau	Should we create a ticket to discuss possibly doing this? I know sometimes Brittany can be kind of weird, but I think it would be good to at least enforce some small things like max column width etc
2018-08-28 18:25:31	lukelau	Also flicking the defer-type-errors switch on converts all those type errors to warnings
2018-08-28 18:28:45	alanz	lukelau, ok, so maybe just leave it at typed holes for now
2018-08-28 18:29:01	alanz	until we can work out a plan to recover the errors
2018-08-28 18:29:08	alanz	by inspecting the GHC source
2018-08-28 18:29:39	alanz	I wonder if we can make an issue to report it as a deferred error, in a uniform way. If it is not already doing that
2018-08-28 18:31:42	lukelau	I presume GHC is wired to treat all errors as fatal
2018-08-28 18:36:27	alanz	yes, but if it reports the deferred errors in a uniform way, we can convert them back to errors when we report them to the hie client
2018-08-28 19:11:22	lukelau	Argh there’s 2 new versions of the lsp spec already
2018-08-28 19:11:49	alanz	it's moving way too fast
2018-08-28 19:12:18	alanz	And the problem is managing the clients, some of which lag
2018-08-28 19:12:32	alanz	and I guess that tests our backward compatibility logic
2018-08-28 19:14:31	lukelau	Most of the clients I’ve seen are way way behind
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2018-08-28 23:35:49	lukelau	Experimenting with caching the parsed module: https://lukelau.me/automator/Parsed%20module%20caching.mov
2018-08-28 23:36:27	lukelau	The module doesnt typecheck and has no cache since we reloaded vs code, but we can still take advantage of the parsed module and use it for things like generating document symbols
2018-08-28 23:36:37	lukelau	Even when there’s no typechecked module available
2018-08-28 23:42:55	alanz	nice
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2018-08-29 17:53:47	Franciman	Hi
2018-08-29 17:59:44	lukelau	Franciman: hello
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2018-08-29 18:57:49	lukelau	For #783, I’d like to access the LSP config from within the CodeActionProvider, so ideally within IdeM. But IdeM is in hie-plugin-api and the LSP config is in hie - would it make sense to move that over to the hie-plugin-api?
2018-08-29 18:58:13	lukelau	I’m also thinking we might want to add an API for configuration
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2018-08-29 19:38:16	alanz	lukelau, I am not sure that moving the whole LSP config into hie-plugin-api is a good idea
2018-08-29 19:38:48	alanz	It makes a very tight coupling between the two.
2018-08-29 19:38:54	alanz	But maybe it is ok
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2018-08-29 20:43:52	lukelau	alanz: That’s why I was hesistent in doing so
2018-08-29 20:44:33	lukelau	My philosophy was that if a plugin needs to change it it probably shouldn’t be in hie-plugin-api
2018-08-29 20:45:14	lukelau	Also I updated the tests in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/794, its ready for review again
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2018-08-30 11:31:09	teto	Hi, just curious if someone got the LSP working with https://github.com/autozimu/LanguageClient-neovim ? I wonder if I should use the '--lsp' flag . I configured it with 'haskell': ['hie', '-d', '--logfile', '/tmp/lsp_haskell.log' ] and got my hie binary from https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix
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2018-08-30 12:08:45	teto	that was it, lsp flag was mandatory. Nevertheless, it can't find anything "Not found!" for any call to `LanguageClient_textDocument_definition()`
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2018-08-31 17:29:30	lukelau	teto: is your project building with `stack build`/`cabal build`?
2018-08-31 17:29:55	lukelau	The lsp flag is no longer needed on master of hie but hie-nix might be a bit behind
2018-08-31 18:04:09	alanz	lukelau, I am going to merger your IdeDefer PR. Are you ok with that?
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2018-09-01 02:33:14	lukelau	alanz: as long as you arent seeing any hanging
2018-09-01 03:48:32	alanz	nope
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2018-09-01 17:48:39	infinisil	lukelau: i tried to update hie-nix (a PR is still open for it), but stack2nix seems to have had a different cabal-helper problem than the one bubbas pr fixed. Something about it not being able to satisfy bounds `base < 0`, very weird
2018-09-01 17:50:18	jose_zap	lukelau alanz I can report again sloweness with code  actions after merging the IdeM branch
2018-09-01 17:51:10	jose_zap	infinisil the problem is the version of cabal-helper, it needs to use revision 0 from hackage
2018-09-01 17:51:53	infinisil	And stack2nix might not support using different revisions?
2018-09-01 17:52:25	alanz	jose_zap, can you provide a test case? Is it the TH thing again?
2018-09-01 17:52:25	infinisil	That could be it
2018-09-01 17:52:56	jose_zap	no, I'm not using TH, I'll see if I can distil a test case
2018-09-01 17:53:07	alanz	thanks.
2018-09-01 17:53:31	alanz	And I guess we should have asked you to test the PR before I merged
2018-09-01 17:54:36	jose_zap	alanz I should have tried it before, for sure
2018-09-01 17:54:57	jose_zap	does it makes sense that I can only see the effect when using the code action for mispelled indentifiers?
2018-09-01 17:55:06	jose_zap	other code actions work fast enough
2018-09-01 17:58:01	jose_zap	alanz maybe false alarm. The slowness only happens when the misspelled identified is very short (a couple chars) It is almost instant when it is longer than that. Are you ok if I open a ticket about this?
2018-09-01 17:58:56	alanz	yes
2018-09-01 18:00:59	jose_zap	alanz unrelated. I'm working on adding macos testing and binaries uploads through travis-ci.org  Would you mind connecting the repo to it so I can create the config file?
2018-09-01 18:02:36	alanz	I can try, but I am not admin there. You may have to ask the haskell committee to do it, by email
2018-09-01 18:03:07	alanz	And I have a feeling travis may be enabled already, we started with it, but stopped because of the 50 minute timeout
2018-09-01 18:03:21	jose_zap	I found a workaround to that
2018-09-01 18:03:28	alanz	how?
2018-09-01 18:03:36	alanz	staged projects?
2018-09-01 18:04:07	jose_zap	I pre-built the project locally, gziped the .stack folder and put it in dropbox
2018-09-01 18:04:31	jose_zap	the install script checks if there are files in .stack and if empty, downloads the packages and starts with most of the project already built
2018-09-01 18:04:47	jose_zap	after a successful build, the resulting .stack gets cached by travis
2018-09-01 18:05:09	alanz	so it needs your dropbox to boot? that is not transferable/scaleable
2018-09-01 18:06:27	jose_zap	only the first time, and of course my dropboz is a transitory thing
2018-09-01 18:06:38	jose_zap	we could host the files somewhere more durable
2018-09-01 18:06:59	alanz	well, the thing needs to be automatic.
2018-09-01 18:07:15	alanz	I was wondering if we could do something like that directly
2018-09-01 18:07:39	alanz	if there is no cache, build until the cache is populated, then stop, giving a fake pass
2018-09-01 18:07:53	alanz	then when you re-run it uses the cached version
2018-09-01 18:07:53	jose_zap	it can be automated, by having one travis job triggered on tags that would upload the package to s3 or similar
2018-09-01 18:08:16	alanz	I was wondering if we could do a pipeline in travis, to do that
2018-09-01 18:08:26	alanz	the other option is to investigate the gitlab ci
2018-09-01 18:08:26	jose_zap	I just need somewhere to put the files that we can trust
2018-09-01 18:08:40	alanz	I think it is more forgiving, and may do storage too
2018-09-01 18:09:35	jose_zap	sure, I can investigate doing that too. Do you know if we can get a hold of an s3 bucket or similar?
2018-09-01 18:09:51	jose_zap	maybe the haskell org can lend us some space there
2018-09-01 18:10:14	alanz	possibly, but maybe check gitlab as an option directly first
2018-09-01 18:10:22	jose_zap	alright
2018-09-01 18:33:57	jose_zap	alanz just learned that gitlab does not offer free os x runners. You have to rent the machine using another service
2018-09-01 18:34:29	alanz	ok. Damn.
2018-09-01 18:35:35	alanz	And circleci?
2018-09-01 18:38:23	lukelau	I’ve been able to build hie from source on travis CI without timing out, it took like 2 hours though and was on the ubuntu containers for lsp-test
2018-09-01 18:38:58	jose_zap	it builds under 40 minutes, but there is not enough time left to run the test suite
2018-09-01 18:41:14	lukelau	Is it possible to split it up with the new build stages stuff?
2018-09-01 18:41:28	lukelau	https://blog.travis-ci.com/2018-07-18-build-stages-officially-released
2018-09-01 18:41:44	jose_zap	as I understand the time limit is per job, and stages are part of a job
2018-09-01 18:42:14	jose_zap	I'll read more about it
2018-09-01 18:44:55	lukelau	By the way, I’ve been poking about more with caching the parsed module from ghc and I’m currently exploring the API design space
2018-09-01 18:44:56	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/Bubba/7dd7f1735d4ada811d30462d01af61c5
2018-09-01 18:45:25	lukelau	I haven’t exactly found a great solution so far
2018-09-01 18:50:55	alanz	lukelau, see https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/8.4.3/docs/html/libraries/ghc-8.4.3/GHC.html#t:TypecheckedModule
2018-09-01 18:51:38	alanz	perhaps it is simplest to have maybe Parsed, Maybe RenamedSource, and TypecheckedModule
2018-09-01 18:52:08	alanz	GHC runs renaming and typechecking "together", but we can get renamed without typechecked
2018-09-01 18:52:11	alanz	(I think)
2018-09-01 18:52:28	jose_zap	lukelau maybe this is relevant, I read about it in reddit. It is a package that optimizes the storage and lookup of TypeRep https://kowainik.github.io/posts/2018-07-11-typerep-map-step-by-step.html
2018-09-01 18:52:36	jose_zap	this is the package http://hackage.haskell.org/package/typerep-map
2018-09-01 18:54:07	lukelau	joze_zap: That looks handy, will check it out for sure
2018-09-01 18:54:24	lukelau	alanz: Do you mean as in make the parsed + renamed optional but typechecked mandatory?
2018-09-01 18:55:17	alanz	well, they would all be optionsl
2018-09-01 18:55:33	alanz	we need to find a way to return either
2018-09-01 18:55:38	alanz	Nothing: all failed
2018-09-01 18:55:41	alanz	Parsed only
2018-09-01 18:55:45	alanz	Parsed + renamed
2018-09-01 18:55:56	alanz	Parsed + renamed + typechecked
2018-09-01 18:56:19	lukelau	Yeah, it’s worth noting that UriCache is pretty much for internal use
2018-09-01 18:56:20	alanz	And at the moment renamed is bundled with typechecked
2018-09-01 18:56:36	lukelau	It wouldn’t be expoed to the plugins
2018-09-01 18:56:38	lukelau	*exposed
2018-09-01 18:56:39	alanz	I know, I am starting from what it makes sense to get out of GHC
2018-09-01 18:57:21	lukelau	You can get the parsed + renamed module from a typechecked module right?
2018-09-01 18:57:24	alanz	And I just dived into the code, I am not sure what we get back from typechecking if the rename succeeds, but not the typecheker
2018-09-01 18:57:47	alanz	The structure contains it
2018-09-01 18:57:58	lukelau	What about getting the parsed from renamed?
2018-09-01 18:58:03	alanz	the question is what is populated when, and if it is returned if tc fails
2018-09-01 19:00:09	lukelau	I see there’s a parseModule and typecheckModule but no renameModule
2018-09-01 19:00:37	lukelau	And typecheckModule just throws a SourceError if it fails
2018-09-01 19:01:01	alanz	exactly
2018-09-01 19:01:09	alanz	Because the phases are entangled
2018-09-01 19:01:42	alanz	At the management level only though, in terms of the work done the renamer runs first, then the typechecker
2018-09-01 19:03:05	alanz	so we could probably do something by putting our own version of typecheckModule, that returns something else on failure
2018-09-01 19:05:00	lukelau	I just looked at the source of typecheckModule, seems like the renaming is done with https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-8.4.3/docs/HscMain.html#v:hscTypecheckRename? 
2018-09-01 19:05:17	alanz	yes, and if you chase it through it is very entangled
2018-09-01 19:05:36	alanz	so not easy to split it into a "rename" and "typecheck" phase
2018-09-01 19:05:55	lukelau	Yeah, I’m just noticing the documentation for it: “Rename and typecheck a module"
2018-09-01 19:06:10	alanz	but I was wondering if we could see exactly where and how the SourceError is thrown, and try to retrieve the RenamedSource if possible
2018-09-01 19:07:43	alanz	it is eventually tcRnModule'
2018-09-01 19:08:04	alanz	which calls into tcRnModule in the driver
2018-09-01 19:10:32	alanz	and the hooks don't seem to provide anything else useful
2018-09-01 19:14:25	lukelau	I just did a quick scan of hie, I don’t think we really use the renamed source on its own without the typechecked module anyway
2018-09-01 19:15:35	alanz	no, because it is hard to get :)
2018-09-01 19:15:56	alanz	HaRe uses it a lot though
2018-09-01 19:16:51	lukelau	What even is the renamed source? Is it something to do with clashing imported modules?
2018-09-01 19:20:34	alanz	no
2018-09-01 19:20:52	alanz	the first phase parses, to generate an AST that is syntactically correct
2018-09-01 19:21:39	alanz	the renamer works out what names refer to what. Because the ParsedSource uses a RdrName, that has no ID in it
2018-09-01 19:22:10	alanz	each gets converted to a Name, which *has* an id, and all Names that refer to the same thing get the same ID
2018-09-01 19:22:36	alanz	so, if HaRe needs to do a renaming, it works on the ID, and does not replace e.g. shadowed variables
2018-09-01 19:23:29	alanz	it also checks that each name is either declared in the module, or imported from somewhere. Or is a built-in primitive
2018-09-01 19:24:30	alanz	And so having renamed source is useful, because it allows you to do e.g. symbol highlighting
2018-09-01 19:25:00	alanz	or import management
2018-09-01 19:25:44	lukelau	How come its tied in with the typechecker? Does it use types in working out what each symbol refers to?
2018-09-01 19:26:25	alanz	I think it is a historical thing, and us users of the API are now coming along
2018-09-01 19:26:35	alanz	So we were never designed in
2018-09-01 19:26:43	lukelau	Makes sense that HaRe depends on it then
2018-09-01 19:26:48	alanz	yes
2018-09-01 19:27:18	alanz	But in the hie case, I think we can do useful stuff if the renamer passes, even if the typechecker fails
2018-09-01 19:28:03	lukelau	Yeah it doesn’t look like there’s much we can do with the parsed source on its own, bar maybe document symbols
2018-09-01 19:28:38	lukelau	I think code completion could probably work mostly of the renamed source then
2018-09-01 19:29:03	alanz	agree
2018-09-01 19:29:17	lukelau	And then use completionresolve to provide more info if the typechecked module is available
2018-09-01 19:29:47	alanz	yes
2018-09-01 19:35:16	lukelau	Does most of the renaming happen in here then? https://github.com/ghc/ghc/blob/565ef4cc036905f9f9801c1e775236bb007b026c/compiler/typecheck/TcRnDriver.hs#L190
2018-09-01 19:36:54	lukelau	At line 254 it does both the renaming + type checking of the declarations :(
2018-09-01 19:42:37	 *	alanz looking
2018-09-01 19:43:20	alanz	I suspect that is why it is entangled.
2018-09-01 19:43:49	alanz	But the imports are just reading in the interface files, but it does have the side effect of bring the name and the type into scope
2018-09-01 19:44:42	alanz	BUT, reading in the imports can only fail if they do not tie up, which is a renaming concern. The types come along for free
2018-09-01 19:51:26	lukelau	Don’t tie up?
2018-09-01 19:53:19	alanz	if you try to import something that does not exist
2018-09-01 19:53:25	alanz	it is a renaming error
2018-09-01 19:53:41	alanz	import Foo.Bar.Baz
2018-09-01 19:53:50	alanz	where there is no such thing
2018-09-01 19:54:22	alanz	but if it does exist, and is accessible, then its .hi file is read, and all the info is available in the lookup table
2018-09-01 20:01:28	lukelau	I could imagine we could do quite a lot even with just the named stuff from imported modules
2018-09-01 20:06:40	teto	do I need to have ghc-mod to be able to jump to definitions ?
2018-09-01 20:07:26	jose_zap	no, just the hie executable and an editor  with a language client implemntation 
2018-09-01 20:07:30	jose_zap	like vscode or novim
2018-09-01 20:10:17	teto	I have been running ihe with autozimu languageclient under neovim but it always returns "Not found" even when a variable is within the file. here is the log of hie http://nixpaste.lbr.uno/iYzVjU7F
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2018-09-01 20:21:35	alanz	lukelau, in terms of https://gist.github.com/Bubba/7dd7f1735d4ada811d30462d01af61c5, I think we can possibly end up with a typechecked module from n changes back, and a parsed one from current
2018-09-01 20:21:54	alanz	so keeping the newPosToOld etc per AST makes sense
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2018-09-01 20:25:52	lukelau	teto: Your module needs to compile + typecheck first before you can do some features like jump to definitions
2018-09-01 20:26:58	alanz	lukelau, jump to definition only needs renamed source too
2018-09-01 20:27:17	alanz	i.e. having is is hugely useful
2018-09-01 20:27:19	lukelau	I was thinking that too :(
2018-09-01 20:27:30	lukelau	This is tantilising
2018-09-01 20:27:47	alanz	I think we need to investigate exception handlers in GHC
2018-09-01 20:27:50	lukelau	*tantalizing
2018-09-01 20:27:53	alanz	they are programmable
2018-09-01 20:28:01	lukelau	Ok
2018-09-01 20:28:04	alanz	so maybe we can do something dodgy in them
2018-09-01 20:28:31	alanz	like inspect what we get, and push the renamedsource into an iovar, or something evil like that
2018-09-01 20:31:44	teto	lukelau: I see. My goal in using hie was to help me learn haskell like jump to the doc of a function/its implementation etc but it seems compromised. It won't explain why a program doesn't compile then ? Is it best to rely on ghc-mod/hdevtools for that purpose ?
2018-09-01 20:32:37	lukelau	alanz: Are there any examples out there of programming an exception handler?
2018-09-01 20:32:51	lukelau	teto: Is it not reporting any errors/diagnostics?
2018-09-01 20:33:05	lukelau	It should display the reason why its not compiling
2018-09-01 20:33:13	alanz	lukelau, I just hit a bit of the source describing zonking, where it seems to want to call renaming. zonking is part of the typechecking process.
2018-09-01 20:33:19	alanz	So it may not be possible.
2018-09-01 20:33:26	alanz	anyway, need to afk now
2018-09-01 20:35:00	teto	lukelau: I had disabled it now it's ok (I think)
2018-09-01 20:35:51	lukelau	Ok, for when you come back what do you think about maybe just salvaging whatever’s in the TcGlbEnv?
2018-09-01 20:36:16	lukelau	teto: We’re actually just talking about how to get more features working without having the module fully typechecked first
2018-09-01 21:00:53	alanz	lukelau, we would have to do experiments
2018-09-01 21:29:42	jose_zap	lukelau are you around? you can maybe help me figure out some odd things with compiling hie
2018-09-01 21:36:13	teto	seems like hie fails to import some modules because I installed it globally instead of adding it to the nix ghcWithPackages call. It doesn't seem to be in nixpkgs. @infinisil how do you pull hie in ? via NUR ?
2018-09-01 21:36:44	infinisil	teto: https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix
2018-09-01 21:59:43	teto	infinisil: does it work for you if you install it globally or do you put e.g. ghcWithPAckages([... hie84]) ?
2018-09-01 22:00:13	infinisil	Globally, it's not a haskell package, it's just an executabel
2018-09-01 22:14:37	lukelau	jose_zap: Sorry back now
2018-09-01 22:15:08	jose_zap	hey, this is an odd type of question, but maybe you know what's going on
2018-09-01 22:15:41	jose_zap	here ghc-mod is being compile, then added to the travis cache https://travis-ci.org/lorenzo/haskell-ide-engine/jobs/423392094#L260
2018-09-01 22:16:08	jose_zap	in this other job the cache is unpacked, but somehow it thinks ghc-mod-core changed
2018-09-01 22:16:17	jose_zap	https://travis-ci.org/lorenzo/haskell-ide-engine/jobs/423392095#L133
2018-09-01 22:16:58	jose_zap	you think that can be caused by some TH mismatch or something like that
2018-09-01 22:19:01	lukelau	Is that just running in the hie root dir?
2018-09-01 22:19:17	jose_zap	yes
2018-09-01 22:21:20	lukelau	Hm my guess would be that stack build —only-dependencies somehow doesn’t build our submodules?
2018-09-01 22:21:43	lukelau	But https://travis-ci.org/lorenzo/haskell-ide-engine/jobs/423392094#L229 shows that it isn’t being downloaded
2018-09-01 22:23:17	jose_zap	hmm, true
2018-09-01 22:23:28	jose_zap	I'll investigate why it is not being downloaded there
2018-09-01 22:23:35	teto	infinisil: in a 'nix-shell -p haskellPackages.ghcWithPackages(p: with p; [netlink hlint hdevtools])', I can launch ghci and import  System.Linux.Netlink . I installed hie globally and it can't find that same module
2018-09-01 22:23:43	lukelau	It seems like sub-packages inside our submodules is what’s causing it to be rebuilt
2018-09-01 22:23:56	lukelau	Since they show up as missing “unregistering (missing dependencies: ghc-mod-core)”
2018-09-01 22:24:14	lukelau	This could just be a quirk/bug with stack
2018-09-01 22:24:28	lukelau	Oh wait
2018-09-01 22:25:02	lukelau	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/797/files#diff-a8c18f15753b74dca29a1cf4162c796d
2018-09-01 22:25:10	lukelau	Could this have anything to do with why the subdirs aren’t getting cached?
2018-09-01 22:25:48	jose_zap	do you think that makes any difference?
2018-09-01 22:27:18	lukelau	I don’t think it should since it looks like just a syntactic change
2018-09-01 22:30:12	jose_zap	I'm going to try building it again from scratch and see if I had made a mistake when building the seed cache
2018-09-01 22:30:43	lukelau	Hmm I think ghc-mod/ and ghc-mod/core might have their own .stack-work directory
2018-09-01 22:33:04	alanz	I do 'find . -iname ".stack-work" | xargs rm -fr' to be sure
2018-09-01 22:33:30	alanz	and current master needs you to clear out the cache in ~/.stack too
2018-09-01 22:33:44	 *	alanz probably off topic
2018-09-01 22:33:52	lukelau	jose_zap: A ha
2018-09-01 22:34:20	lukelau	I cleaned out submodules/ghc-mod/core/.stack-work and the rest of the stack-work gang, did a rebuild, and it got regenerated
2018-09-01 22:34:29	jose_zap	oh, many .stack-work folders? is that it?
2018-09-01 22:34:30	lukelau	So you probably want to add **/.stack-work to the cache
2018-09-01 22:34:39	alanz	otherwise it breaks with the haddock lib
2018-09-01 22:34:41	jose_zap	right, I'll add those
2018-09-01 22:34:53	jose_zap	alanz I'll keep that in mind, thanks
2018-09-01 22:35:19	lukelau	There’s a .stack-work for each submodule it looks like
2018-09-01 22:36:21	jose_zap	thanks, that explains why
2018-09-01 22:37:15	alanz	btw, I think stack clean is supposed to sort them out too
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2018-09-01 22:45:30	lukelau	What’s the difference between stack clean and stack clean —full?
2018-09-01 22:48:41	teto	hie tells me `Use -v to see a list of the files searched for` but it does't accept a -v flag. Is there anywy to pass that flag to the exec called by hie ? I would like to understand why it can't find modules ghc can find.
2018-09-01 22:50:52	lukelau	teto: that’s the ghc-mid output, if you have ghc-mod installed you can run that with -v
2018-09-01 22:51:09	lukelau	What module is it failing to load/resolve?
2018-09-01 22:52:51	teto	lukelau: everything starting with System.Linux.Netlink
2018-09-01 22:53:29	lukelau	How are you building your project from the command line?
2018-09-01 22:55:22	teto	neomake (a vim plugin) runs hie. I am trying to build the project (never done it yet) but I now run my dev environment via nix-shell -p 'haskellPackages.ghcWithPackages(p: with p; [netlink])' 
2018-09-01 22:55:46	teto	(I mean I 've compiled the hello world and now I am adding features)
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2018-09-01 23:47:34	alanz	lukelau, I wonder if we could collapse the nested runReaderT in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Dispatcher.hs#L87
2018-09-01 23:48:04	lukelau	I think so
2018-09-01 23:48:20	lukelau	I’d like to also somehow squeeze the LSP configuration into it
2018-09-01 23:48:42	alanz	yes, that makes sense
2018-09-01 23:49:09	alanz	and I have a pending question as to why the LspId is not (Maybe LspId)
2018-09-01 23:49:27	alanz	especially as we now do diagnostic notifications via it
2018-09-01 23:49:30	lukelau	Which LspId?
2018-09-01 23:49:39	alanz	in the IReq
2018-09-01 23:49:48	alanz	IdeRequest
2018-09-01 23:50:08	lukelau	They’re Maybe LspId in GReq I think
2018-09-01 23:50:36	lukelau	Are diagnostic notifications done via IReq now?
2018-09-01 23:51:28	alanz	e.g. https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/blob/liquid-plugin/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs#L757
2018-09-01 23:52:06	lukelau	Shall we create an issue for that?
2018-09-01 23:52:27	lukelau	I could probably make a really quick PR for that
2018-09-01 23:52:31	lukelau	Skip the issue
2018-09-01 23:52:41	alanz	Possibly.
2018-09-01 23:52:54	alanz	Another thing that bugs me is making the request an Either
2018-09-01 23:53:33	alanz	I kind of feel it should be a specific new type, with GhcRequest GReq | IdeRequest IReq instead of Left GReq | Right IReq
2018-09-01 23:53:33	lukelau	Yeah
2018-09-01 23:53:41	lukelau	I agree
2018-09-01 23:53:45	alanz	or whatever the detail is
2018-09-01 23:53:47	lukelau	Those pattern things are weird to use
2018-09-01 23:54:21	alanz	well, we would keep them for now, we need the two-level structure
2018-09-01 23:54:43	alanz	in that we need to break out a req and route it either to the ghc dispatcher or the ide one
2018-09-01 23:54:49	alanz	so each type needs to standalone
2018-09-01 23:55:19	alanz	but I would not be unhappy with losing the patterns, even if we replaced them with the appropriate function calls
2018-09-01 23:55:38	alanz	Maybe the request could be a GADT, which would give us both those things at once
2018-09-01 23:56:04	lukelau	Hmmm
2018-09-01 23:56:21	lukelau	That sounds good
2018-09-01 23:56:22	alanz	but I think breaking out for the dispatcher would fail in that case too
2018-09-01 23:56:36	alanz	possibly. Worth playing with though
2018-09-01 23:56:46	alanz	get some learning/understanding out of it
2018-09-01 23:57:22	lukelau	If we need to keep the types we should just use the direct IdeRequest/GhcRequest types no?
2018-09-01 23:57:36	lukelau	Instead of the wrapper IReq/GReq
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2018-09-01 23:59:24	alanz	yes, but we still need the inner types
2018-09-02 00:00:19	alanz	or, the ability to (in a type safe way) state that the ghc dispatcher only processes the ghc requests, and the other the other
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2018-09-02 00:14:36	teto	exporting NIX_GHC_LIBDIR seems to fix it \o/
2018-09-02 00:15:21	alanz	teto, is there anything you can add to the README about this, to help the next person along?
2018-09-02 00:17:49	teto	alanz: I will. I am sure there are better (nixpkgs) fixes though. it could export the variable in a shellHook
2018-09-02 00:18:24	alanz	ok, so long as it gets either fixed or documented in a place that makes sense
2018-09-02 00:18:50	alanz	(consider this a polite request, you are free to ignore)
2018-09-02 00:22:08	lukelau	alanz: Sorry thats what I meant
2018-09-02 00:22:33	lukelau	Remove the pattern, keep the data IReq, and separate data IdeRequest/data GhcRequest
2018-09-02 00:22:39	lukelau	*data Req
2018-09-02 00:22:49	alanz	ok, do it, lets see what it looks like
2018-09-02 00:23:05	lukelau	also is the “installed package haddock-library-1.6.0 is broken due to missing package haddock-library-1.6.0-FvWfAEZyHFL6fzBjCbtaGx-attoparsec” what you were talking about earlier about nuking ~/.stack ?
2018-09-02 00:23:30	alanz	I am in the process of modifying the DiagnosticFunc to have a callback embedded into it
2018-09-02 00:31:44	alanz	lukelau, exactly that
2018-09-02 00:32:34	alanz	And cabal new-build was able to build it cleanly :)
2018-09-02 00:33:36	lukelau	👀
2018-09-02 00:34:23	lukelau	Damn, looks like https://github.com/wisn/format-preserving-yaml didn’t get finished
2018-09-02 00:34:51	lukelau	Was really looking forward to that for the code actions with package.yaml
2018-09-02 00:35:45	alanz	I think format-preserving stuff is a lot harder than people realise.
2018-09-02 00:36:37	alanz	there were 2 that did not complere, iirc
2018-09-02 00:38:10	lukelau	On the other hand 15 were successful, which seems like a pretty high pass rate!
2018-09-02 00:40:04	alanz	agree
2018-09-02 00:40:14	lukelau	Come to think of it, maybe wz1000’s .hie files will help alleviate the need for renamed source
2018-09-02 00:40:46	alanz	and the ones pertaining to hie were successful, yours, the hi-haddock one, the hie extra info, and the TTG one
2018-09-02 00:42:26	lukelau	I read the TTG paper this week, does this mean that the HsSyn module will be replaced?
2018-09-02 00:56:28	alanz	lukelau, not replaced, just have stuff captured differently
2018-09-02 00:56:43	alanz	The process has already started, some of the AST works that way already
2018-09-02 00:57:19	alanz	The payoff for us is that we can start putting extra info into the AST, for our own purposes, without disturbing the rest of the compiler
2018-09-02 00:57:36	alanz	and top of the list is the annotations that ghc-exactprint works with
2018-09-02 00:58:04	alanz	and, I want to be able to move to a different way of capturing location, that will simplify incremental parsing. Eventually.
2018-09-02 00:58:49	alanz	As per the approach in here: https://thelackthereof.org/docs/library/unsorted/programming/incsoft.pdf
2018-09-02 00:59:22	alanz	which is also implemented in https://github.com/tree-sitter/tree-sitter
2018-09-02 01:00:24	alanz	And the work ekmett has done on https://github.com/ekmett/coda, which has a way of capturing the locations in a relative way
2018-09-02 01:00:38	 *	alanz brain dump over
2018-09-02 01:12:16	alanz	lukelau, here is another thing I dump on everyone eventually: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSdV1M7n4gQ
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2018-09-02 01:30:18	jose_zap	lukelau do you know what may be wrong with this test in macos? https://api.travis-ci.org/v3/job/423426906/log.txt
2018-09-02 01:34:26	lukelau	alanz: Will take a look at that video tonight
2018-09-02 01:35:19	alanz	I find it a good introduction to the kind of thing hie/ghc can become
2018-09-02 01:35:25	lukelau	jose_zap: Oh god I need to turn off --dump-logs
2018-09-02 01:35:38	jose_zap	heh yeah
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2018-09-02 01:38:03	lukelau	Oh I think I know
2018-09-02 01:38:15	lukelau	You need to generate the hoogle DB beforehand
2018-09-02 01:38:23	lukelau	Otherwise those code actions don’t get picked up
2018-09-02 01:38:34	lukelau	run `stack exec hoogle generate` before you run the tests
2018-09-02 01:40:35	jose_zap	is that generated in .stack-work?
2018-09-02 01:40:45	lukelau	I’m not sure where it’s stored
2018-09-02 01:41:11	lukelau	I think it might be in ~/.hoogle?
2018-09-02 01:41:14	lukelau	alanz: https://gist.github.com/Bubba/fb0698b40dd9034683722556e185b8cb
2018-09-02 01:41:26	jose_zap	ok, I'll just run it right before the test
2018-09-02 01:41:43	lukelau	jose_zap: It takes about a minute or two, its not too long
2018-09-02 01:41:49	jose_zap	cool
2018-09-02 01:42:21	lukelau	alanz: This is where I got with the GADTs, hit this type error
2018-09-02 01:42:27	lukelau	Got any ideas?
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2018-09-02 08:38:18	Gurkenglas	Things I would try include replacing atomically with (atomically :: STM () -> IO ()) etc to narrow down the mismatch
2018-09-02 08:38:49	Gurkenglas	(The plugin I wanted to make would include this step)
2018-09-02 08:39:35	Gurkenglas	(It might for example replace "atomically $ writeTChan ghcChan r" with "atomically $ _ $ writeTChan ghcChan r" or "atomically $ writeTChan ghcChan $ _ r"
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2018-09-02 11:46:28	teto	not sure if that's a neovim formatting problem but the output of hie contains extraspaces https://transfer.sh/GP3Qe/2018-09-02-151244_868x735_scr
2018-09-02 11:46:30	teto	ot.png
2018-09-02 11:46:41	teto	https://transfer.sh/GP3Qe/2018-09-02-151244_868x735_scrot.png
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2018-09-02 19:31:25	infinisil	How does HIE decide what ghc and cabal binary to use?
2018-09-02 19:32:03	infinisil	Is this done directly through $PATH? or is there something else in play
2018-09-02 19:35:07	alanz	infinisil, it is done here https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/app/HieWrapper.hs
2018-09-02 19:35:33	alanz	and ghc-mod works out the versions, but only if the project is already configured
2018-09-02 19:36:00	alanz	and then builds a version of cabal-helper wrapper to match, which extracts the info for use in hie itself
2018-09-02 19:36:04	infinisil	Oh, but I'm not using hie-wrapper
2018-09-02 19:36:23	alanz	the ghc-mod process is the same
2018-09-02 19:36:36	alanz	but, it builds with the cabal baked into hie
2018-09-02 19:37:03	alanz	just uses the matching one to work out dependencies and the like
2018-09-02 19:37:38	alanz	all that hie-wrapper does is to launch a version of hie that should (hopefully) match the ghc used in the project
2018-09-02 19:38:39	infinisil	So I just pulled from master and am trying to use it with that, I used stack-8.4.3.yaml to build it
2018-09-02 19:38:50	alanz	that should be fine
2018-09-02 19:39:17	infinisil	So the cabal version hie uses is.. *check stack lts*
2018-09-02 19:39:54	alanz	yes. Which is generally the one baked into the ghc version in question
2018-09-02 19:39:58	infinisil	2.2.0.1
2018-09-02 19:40:46	infinisil	And I'm using 2.2.0.1 for my project (shown via ghc-pkg list), whil cabal-install is version 2.2.0.0, which should be fine as well
2018-09-02 19:46:05	infinisil	alanz: Can you point me to the source where the command is called that causes the error "cannot satisfy -package-id either-5.0.1-<hash>" when HIE is started?
2018-09-02 19:47:14	alanz	infinisil, enable --vomit logging, I suspect that comes from ghc-mod, you should then get more detail. on stderr 
2018-09-02 19:47:29	infinisil	Ah, will do
2018-09-02 19:47:40	infinisil	Oh, just need to figure out how to get stderr in emacs
2018-09-02 19:48:40	alanz	it routes to a window (for emacs-lsp)
2018-09-02 19:48:57	alanz	*lsp-haskell stderr*
2018-09-02 19:51:15	infinisil	Ohh, thanks
2018-09-02 19:56:00	infinisil	alanz: https://gist.github.com/8dc7f164958c03fcad4cff9b7a30d69a
2018-09-02 19:57:32	infinisil	So it seems that either (the only package not working from the ones in .cabal right now), is the only one with a hash
2018-09-02 19:58:22	alanz	I would do a locate for that package, and see where it lives on your local filesystem
2018-09-02 22:36:02	infinisil	alanz: Well darn, this is odd
2018-09-02 22:36:21	infinisil	The problem doesn't happen when I use stack2nix and then nix to build haskell-ide-engine
2018-09-02 22:36:31	infinisil	while it does when I use stack directly
2018-09-02 22:37:30	infinisil	I guess it's some nix related problem then. I'll just try to get stack2nix to work with master then, because last time I tried it didn't
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2018-09-03 00:53:08	infinisil	alanz: So, I have now a working master version, compiled with stack2nix, and it works :)
2018-09-03 00:53:24	infinisil	And it seems that the TemplateHaskell error is gone as well
2018-09-03 00:53:29	infinisil	s/error/hang
2018-09-03 00:53:34	alanz	yay
2018-09-03 00:54:06	alanz	Can you make some reccomendations on the README for other nix users? wherever it makes sense to put it
2018-09-03 00:54:55	infinisil	alanz: I will update my PR to update hie-nix https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix/pull/26
2018-09-03 00:55:06	infinisil	And the instructions should stay the same
2018-09-03 00:57:55	alanz	thanks
2018-09-03 00:59:28	infinisil	Maybe I should open an issue for the stack thing with nix though
2018-09-03 01:00:07	infinisil	I didn't get to the ground of that problem unfortunately
2018-09-03 01:01:28	alanz	I think you end up with a mismatch of libraries from that, where some come from the nix store and some from the stack environment
2018-09-03 01:01:38	alanz	and the new stricter checks now fail
2018-09-03 01:02:20	infinisil	Ohh that might be it. So this might be a problem of stack itself
2018-09-03 01:03:33	alanz	well, not so much stack, as ghc 8.4
2018-09-03 01:03:41	alanz	or of cabal 2
2018-09-03 01:04:07	alanz	but I know things are more finicky now, so you need to use stuff from a single install, across the machine
2018-09-03 01:04:46	infinisil	Hmm, where would you recommend opening an issue for it?
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2018-09-03 01:06:22	alanz	I think it is only an issue if you are using multiple approaches
2018-09-03 01:06:36	alanz	so might have ghc installed in more than one place
2018-09-03 01:06:53	alanz	(if it is the problem I hit)
2018-09-03 01:07:11	alanz	So maybe just document how to do it in nix (via your PR), and leave it at that
2018-09-03 01:08:35	infinisil	It concerns me because like this, everybody using Nix won't be able to help develop HIE
2018-09-03 01:09:25	infinisil	Because stack2nix is not usable for development, and stack apparently produces sometimes-failing binaries on nix
2018-09-03 01:09:58	alanz	The problem is that hie is a complex thing, when you get down into the plumbing
2018-09-03 01:10:34	alanz	I wonder if we could include a nix build in the CI process for it
2018-09-03 01:11:12	infinisil	Oh, such that the tests could catch it?
2018-09-03 01:11:30	infinisil	(Once the problem has been fixed)
2018-09-03 01:12:06	alanz	yes
2018-09-03 01:12:33	alanz	But build it in a nix environment too. So we build on linux, osx, windows, nixos
2018-09-03 01:23:56	infinisil	Yeah that might be nice
2018-09-03 01:24:10	infinisil	alanz: Question: Should I use the stack-8.4.3 or the mayn stack file?
2018-09-03 01:24:43	infinisil	I feel for hie-nix it's probably better to use the 8.4.3 one, as that seems to use LTS and is therefore more stable of sorts
2018-09-03 01:24:45	alanz	stack-8.4.3 tracks the lts, main stack tracks the nightly
2018-09-03 01:24:53	alanz	yes
2018-09-03 01:25:02	infinisil	Alright, will use that one then
2018-09-03 01:25:14	alanz	I generally try to bump the resolvers around once a month. It happened yesterday
2018-09-03 01:25:26	infinisil	Yeah saw that
2018-09-03 01:25:36	alanz	but I see there was another point release on the lts yesterday
2018-09-03 01:26:31	jose_zap	Speaking of testing. Is it valuable to test with all resolvers/compilers in osx? Or would just 8.4.3 be enough?
2018-09-03 01:28:14	alanz	jose_zap, preferably as many as possible. But worst case just 8.4.3
2018-09-03 01:28:26	jose_zap	ok
2018-09-03 01:28:39	alanz	I think realistically it is about the possibility of a build, so the specific version is not necessarily that important
2018-09-03 01:28:52	alanz	but it may be that library versions fail to compile on osx
2018-09-03 01:28:52	jose_zap	I finally managed to find a way to test all of them with travis, it just takes a long time
2018-09-03 01:29:01	alanz	how did you do it?
2018-09-03 01:29:29	jose_zap	using stages, had to break the compilation into several parts to keep it under 50 minutes
2018-09-03 01:29:58	alanz	ok, I was hoping the stages would help
2018-09-03 01:30:02	jose_zap	this was my experiment with just 8.4.3 https://travis-ci.org/lorenzo/haskell-ide-engine/builds/423480704
2018-09-03 01:30:45	 *	alanz looking
2018-09-03 01:31:36	alanz	so does each stage get 50 mins?
2018-09-03 01:31:52	alanz	or does it treat each stage as a step, and save the cache in between
2018-09-03 01:32:10	alanz	so you just keep asking for a build until it eventually finishes?
2018-09-03 01:32:42	jose_zap	no just the second stage takes 45 minutes
2018-09-03 01:32:48	jose_zap	the others are around 15 each
2018-09-03 01:33:13	jose_zap	here, this is where it built for the first time https://travis-ci.org/lorenzo/haskell-ide-engine/builds/423426902
2018-09-03 01:34:59	alanz	ok, but the total is > 50 mins, and it works
2018-09-03 01:35:02	alanz	well done
2018-09-03 01:35:11	alanz	I know what a pain tweaking CI scripts is
2018-09-03 01:38:11	jose_zap	heh, I've been working on this on and off for a week :P
2018-09-03 01:39:15	alanz	sounds about right
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2018-09-03 02:35:06	alanz	lukelau, I am hitting the config thing too now
2018-09-03 02:35:29	alanz	I want to make the diagnostic func take config, so it can refrain from generating diagnostics if not enabled
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2018-09-03 02:36:03	alanz	But maybe we should generalise the config structure for diagnostics, key it by the plugin
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2018-09-03 03:40:47	lukelau_	Hello, did I miss anything? I moved back into university and now I can't access my bouncer anymore since the university wifi blocks all ports including the standard IRC ones
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2018-09-03 03:47:48	infinisil	I wanted to point out that there's public logs in the topic, but apparently those stopped recording at 2018-04-11
2018-09-03 03:48:13	lukelau	infinisil: Yeah they’ve been gone a while
2018-09-03 03:48:52	lukelau	But I checked my university’s web page to see what ports they allowed
2018-09-03 03:49:19	lukelau	ssh’d into my server (which isn’t blocked thank god) and changed my bouncer’s port to use some random port opened for steam downloads
2018-09-03 03:49:52	infinisil	https://irclog.whitequark.org/ "If you want for this logger to be present on a particular freenode.net channel, drop a letter to whitequark."
2018-09-03 03:50:08	infinisil	A suggestion ^^
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2018-09-03 05:19:52	lukelau	http://logs.lukelau.me
2018-09-03 05:22:11	infinisil	lukelau: Heh, when there's 1000 messages, how will that page look?
2018-09-03 05:22:28	lukelau	infinisil: Bad!
2018-09-03 05:23:14	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/Bubba/02b7b4be3d77c95b6a2642b9a67a6211
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2018-09-03 06:29:37	infinisil	lukelau: Hehe, nice
2018-09-03 07:17:14	infinisil	alanz: So, the TH isn't fixed after all..
2018-09-03 07:17:20	infinisil	the TH thing*
2018-09-03 07:36:07	infinisil	But I am one step further in isolating the cause
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2018-09-03 15:09:11	jose_zap	Do you know why dispatcher tests would try to install ghc 8.4.3 when running it with the stack yaml for 8.2.2 ?
2018-09-03 15:09:26	jose_zap	seems like it tries to compile hie with 8.4.3 fron inside the test suite
2018-09-03 15:53:42	alanz	jose_zap, that sounds like an error
2018-09-03 16:27:49	jose_zap	alanz maybe you know what is wrong with this test? https://api.travis-ci.org/v3/job/423830310/log.txt you can search for "Timed out waiting to receive"
2018-09-03 16:28:14	jose_zap	those tests won't pass for ghc < 8.4.3
2018-09-03 16:28:43	jose_zap	I believe it is related to that thing I mentioned before
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2018-09-03 16:38:48	alanz	It does not help that the functional test log spams the world. I turned off that logging in my liquid-plugin branch, via https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/commit/d6916acc898496ef07811bac903f028e892cf0a9
2018-09-03 16:39:17	alanz	And I think I should merge it soon, just want to sort out the enabling of it
2018-09-03 16:41:20	jose_zap	yeah, it's annoying to look for errors in that see of lines
2018-09-03 16:45:08	alanz	I will put a PR in today sometime, which will help.
2018-09-03 16:58:34	jose_zap	thanks
2018-09-03 17:49:23	alanz	lukelau, there is something wrong with the docs for http://hackage.haskell.org/package/lsp-test-0.2.1.0
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2018-09-03 21:50:24	lukelau	alanz: Thanks, will take a look at that now.
2018-09-03 21:50:52	lukelau	joze_zap alanz I think I’ll publish a new version of lsp-test that has logging off by default
2018-09-03 21:51:19	lukelau	That + pretty printing brings the circleCI logs to a grinding halt
2018-09-03 22:03:25	lukelau	jose_zap: The server logs are saved in a folder called test-logs, might be useful
2018-09-03 22:04:12	jose_zap	yeah, I discovered that folder not long ago :)
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2018-09-03 23:15:10	alanz	lukelau, I am modifying the files slightly, in my liquid branch. Which I hope to PR tonight
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2018-09-04 01:16:17	alanz	except my evening has become quite chaotic
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2018-09-04 01:52:25	jose_zap	alanz I believe travis is already enabled
2018-09-04 01:52:34	jose_zap	do you mind if I merge and manually trigger from travis?
2018-09-04 01:53:27	alanz	go for it. I understand it is supposed to run CI on a PR, which happened for all but travis, on that PR
2018-09-04 01:54:06	alanz	I just pushed the button ...
2018-09-04 01:59:39	jose_zap	thanks
2018-09-04 02:00:29	jose_zap	https://travis-ci.org/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/builds/424075469
2018-09-04 02:16:08	alanz	nice
2018-09-04 02:50:36	infinisil	Hey, can somebody try to reproduce this
2018-09-04 02:51:22	infinisil	Create a new cabal project, add the aeson dependency. Use this as the Main.hs: https://gist.github.com/Infinisil/e85e78a923c2b02cc7ec095f97d2a137
2018-09-04 02:52:04	infinisil	Then open the file with your LSP-enabled editor. For me this results in a startup time of 17 seconds, everytime
2018-09-04 02:54:50	jose_zap	does it happens with stack or does it have to be cabal?
2018-09-04 02:55:02	infinisil	I haven't tested with stack
2018-09-04 02:59:34	infinisil	jose_zap: To be a bit more specific: I'm using ghc 8.4.3 and master HIE. I won't be surprised if you can't reproduce it
2018-09-04 03:00:39	jose_zap	I created a project with stack, added the dependency and your Main.hs
2018-09-04 03:00:58	jose_zap	the server was immediately responsive, but it is now compiling the dependencies, which takes time
2018-09-04 03:01:09	jose_zap	only a few features of hie actually work
2018-09-04 03:02:10	infinisil	I can restart the server and it happens again, just the hie process itself spinning at 100%
2018-09-04 03:02:59	jose_zap	I don't have a working cabal env right now, but I can try tomorrow
2018-09-04 03:03:09	infinisil	mkdir test && cd test && cabal init --non-interactive --minimal --dependency base aeson --main-is Main.hs
2018-09-04 03:03:32	infinisil	Alriht
2018-09-04 03:04:16	infinisil	This slowdown only happens when both TemplateHaskell is enabled, and certain "bad" packages are in the dependency closure
2018-09-04 03:04:41	infinisil	Every such bad package can add a couple seconds startup time
2018-09-04 03:05:05	infinisil	So the more dependencies I add, the more such packages will be there, the longer the startup will be
2018-09-04 03:05:48	infinisil	Example of bad packages: http-client-tls adds 29 seconds alone, immidiate deps of it add 26 seconds
2018-09-04 03:06:25	infinisil	monad-logger adds 11 seconds, immediate dependencies too
2018-09-04 03:06:49	infinisil	http-conduit adds 48 seconds, immediate deps 45 seconds
2018-09-04 03:07:59	infinisil	Example of good packages, which all don't add any time: text, stm, containers, strict, regex-base, mtl, directory, filepath
2018-09-04 03:09:10	infinisil	This is 100% reproducible on my end, to the second. I have no idea what separates these packages
2018-09-04 03:10:02	infinisil	I created a script to test how much time a package adds, so feel free to ask me whether a certain one is affected by it
2018-09-04 03:12:09	jose_zap	with that one-liner I'm currently getting this: cabal: 'init' doesn't take any extra arguments: aeson
2018-09-04 03:12:44	infinisil	jose_zap: Oh, sorry it's --dependency base --dependency aeson
2018-09-04 03:13:32	jose_zap	ah ok... well seems like I have to install the haskell platform again tomorrow
2018-09-04 03:13:45	jose_zap	my system version of ghc is 8.0
2018-09-04 03:14:21	infinisil	A somewhat remarkable example of a bad package: cryptonite adds 23 seconds startup time, while immidiate deps only add 6 seconds
2018-09-04 03:15:26	jose_zap	that's every time you start the editor?
2018-09-04 03:15:44	infinisil	yup
2018-09-04 03:16:15	jose_zap	and does not happen without TH?
2018-09-04 03:16:24	infinisil	Yup, instant startup without TH
2018-09-04 03:17:36	infinisil	I can also let HIE start up without TH, then add TH and the slowdown happens too
2018-09-04 03:17:44	jose_zap	I wonder if it is compiling the dependencies each time it opens into a wrong tmp folder
2018-09-04 03:19:47	infinisil	Would not explain why certain packages work without slowdown
2018-09-04 03:21:43	infinisil	jose_zap: Also, no ghc process is running, it's the hie process itself that's spinning at 100% for that time
2018-09-04 03:23:27	jose_zap	hmm ok
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2018-09-04 03:39:11	infinisil	Oh
2018-09-04 03:39:45	infinisil	I should've looked at ghc-mod's output sooner
2018-09-04 03:39:48	infinisil	jose_zap: https://gist.github.com/Infinisil/7bed25a3bf23bf5abe514570cca3ac98
2018-09-04 03:40:00	infinisil	"Target needs interpeter, switching to LinkInMemory/HscInterpreted. Perfectly normal if anything is using TemplateHaskell, QuasiQuotes or PatternSynonyms."
2018-09-04 03:40:12	infinisil	:/
2018-09-04 03:41:14	jose_zap	interesting
2018-09-04 03:42:34	jose_zap	but I don't think that changed recently, did it?
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2018-09-04 17:35:07	domenkozar	Tehnix: around?
2018-09-04 17:35:21	domenkozar	having issues with atom+hie
2018-09-04 17:36:19	domenkozar	does stderr get into the log file?
2018-09-04 17:40:03	domenkozar	it's really a pain to debug, processes exits instantly
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2018-09-04 17:43:23	domenkozar	Haskell (hie) stderr Invalid argument `'
2018-09-04 17:44:27	domenkozar	huh :)
2018-09-04 17:47:21	domenkozar	ok, seems like I should use hie-wrapper
2018-09-04 17:47:24	domenkozar	as hie path
2018-09-04 17:47:34	domenkozar	not as hie custom wrapper
2018-09-04 18:33:09	alanz	domenkozar, it is intended to be a drop-in replacement, but detects the project ghc version first
2018-09-04 18:33:31	domenkozar	for some reason it doesn't work in Atom
2018-09-04 18:33:56	alanz	is the underlying path set up right?
2018-09-04 18:34:26	alanz	(btw, I am looking at using build-tool-depends for the hie functional tests)
2018-09-04 18:34:47	domenkozar	yeah, I can see hie-wrapper is started
2018-09-04 18:34:54	domenkozar	and it exists immediately
2018-09-04 18:35:00	domenkozar	with
2018-09-04 18:35:02	domenkozar	Haskell (hie) stderr Invalid argument `'
2018-09-04 18:35:13	domenkozar	which seems like it's complaining on invalid argument that is void? :S
2018-09-04 18:36:38	alanz	agree
2018-09-04 18:36:52	alanz	I thought a moment ago I need to get it to print out the args it sees
2018-09-04 18:37:16	alanz	In fact, it may do that. is there anything in /tmp/hie.log?
2018-09-04 18:37:28	domenkozar	nothing
2018-09-04 18:37:46	domenkozar	I don't think it reaches logging code
2018-09-04 18:39:58	alanz	well, that sounds like it is the argument parser blowing up
2018-09-04 18:40:12	alanz	have you misquoted something in the command line you send to it?
2018-09-04 18:40:28	alanz	try run the command in a shell, and see what you get
2018-09-04 18:51:13	domenkozar	I haven't misquoted anything
2018-09-04 18:51:21	domenkozar	and using top is hows like it has no arguments
2018-09-04 18:51:28	domenkozar	maybe some sneaky thing?
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2018-09-04 18:58:08	alanz	can you paste the actual command line you are using?
2018-09-04 19:02:09	domenkozar	that's the issue, Atom is calling HIE, so I don't know
2018-09-04 19:02:22	domenkozar	if I run it in terminal it works
2018-09-04 19:02:34	domenkozar	it only fails using Atom's custom wrapper option
2018-09-04 19:02:52	alanz	maybe replace hie-wrapper with a shell script that just dumps its args
2018-09-04 19:02:52	domenkozar	alanz: about build-tool-depends: hope it works :D
2018-09-04 19:03:01	domenkozar	good idea :)
2018-09-04 19:03:14	alanz	well, it may work, but it breaks cabal-helper, so hie can't work with it
2018-09-04 19:03:36	alanz	because we end up with more than one main module in the combined module graph
2018-09-04 19:03:47	alanz	so we need to filter out those kinds of deps
2018-09-04 19:36:33	lukelau	jose_zap: Can the travis.yml file use a build matrix for the ghc versions?
2018-09-04 19:37:06	jose_zap	no, it can't... but I "hacked it" so that you can have parallel jobs for each ghc version on each stage
2018-09-04 19:37:17	jose_zap	were you after a particular feature of the build matrix?
2018-09-04 19:37:51	lukelau	Is it the stages part that makes it parallel?
2018-09-04 19:38:09	lukelau	I was looking to add artifact deployment for github releases
2018-09-04 19:38:12	jose_zap	the stages are sequential, the "script" key inside each stage is what makes it parallel
2018-09-04 19:38:39	jose_zap	that can be done as a stage, I played with it a bit,, but seemed to not be working on my fork, so decided to get the testing part out first
2018-09-04 19:38:53	jose_zap	do you want to work on that? I can help if you like
2018-09-04 19:39:22	lukelau	I’m just poking about with it now, hopefully the example on https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/deployment/releases/ should be enough
2018-09-04 19:42:58	jose_zap	let me find a different example... we either need a job per GHC or a single job collecting all binaries and pushing the all at once
2018-09-04 19:43:25	jose_zap	so, this is an example of a deployment stage https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/build-stages/define-steps/
2018-09-04 19:43:41	jose_zap	where you can use the deploy key you linked to before
2018-09-04 19:45:00	jose_zap	and this is how to collect binaries from different jobs into a single one https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/build-stages/share-files-s3/
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2018-09-04 22:37:04	infinisil	Asking again: Can somebody try to reproduce the slowdown I mentioned?
2018-09-04 22:37:19	infinisil	mkdir test && cd test && cabal init --non-interactive --minimal --dependency base --dependency aeson --main-is Main.hs
2018-09-04 22:37:39	infinisil	Copy this Main.hs into it: https://gist.github.com/Infinisil/e85e78a923c2b02cc7ec095f97d2a137
2018-09-04 22:37:58	infinisil	Then start HIE (I'm seeing the slowdown with master)
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2018-09-04 23:19:32	alanz	infinisil, if it is loading for interpreter mode, and it has TH, it *is* going to take time
2018-09-04 23:20:01	alanz	I guess the question is why it does that
2018-09-04 23:20:04	infinisil	Oh really? Well that sucks
2018-09-04 23:20:13	infinisil	Because it takes 4 minutes for my project..
2018-09-04 23:22:38	alanz	this is why we split out haskell-lsp-types. It has all the TH, which takes forever to compile
2018-09-04 23:23:31	infinisil	But I mean, can't this get cached somehow?
2018-09-04 23:23:55	infinisil	And why does it only happen when I have {-# LANGUAGE TemplateHaskell #-} in my file?
2018-09-04 23:26:07	infinisil	I'd have to remove all template haskell and all "bad" packages from my project to have decent startup times..
2018-09-04 23:28:34	infinisil	alanz: Or is this all expected and has to just be lived with when using HIE?
2018-09-04 23:30:05	alanz	I have not experienced what you are, tbh
2018-09-04 23:30:19	alanz	but I am not using nix
2018-09-04 23:30:37	infinisil	So what I described is not reproducible for you?
2018-09-04 23:30:47	alanz	it is probably the case that hie/ghc-mod/c-h is not finding the precompiled stuff
2018-09-04 23:31:03	alanz	infinisil, I have not tried to reproduce it. My life is pretty full at the moment
2018-09-04 23:31:53	alanz	And I don't experience a generic TH slowdown, so I presume it is related to nix (which I do not run), or something else in your o/s
2018-09-04 23:32:05	infinisil	Alright, well I'll ask this some more, because if it's only me that's having this slowdown then I'll consider nix might being the problem
2018-09-04 23:32:30	infinisil	I already spent hours debugging this..
2018-09-04 23:34:13	alanz	I know you have
2018-09-04 23:34:29	alanz	but unfortunately nix is not a primary platform at the moment. 
2018-09-04 23:34:42	alanz	Which is why it is so valuable that you are doing all this work
2018-09-04 23:37:09	infinisil	Nobody else here that could try to reproduce this? Command and gist is above, preferably on a non-nixos system with a standard cabal installation
2018-09-04 23:37:36	infinisil	I guess I'll open an issue specifically
2018-09-04 23:42:26	alanz	you could maybe ask domenkozar 
2018-09-04 23:43:27	domenkozar	can do it in ~3h
2018-09-04 23:43:48	domenkozar	fixing hie-nix cache first
2018-09-04 23:53:57	alanz	domenkozar, thanks
2018-09-04 23:54:10	alanz	did you get to the bottom of the params to hie-wrapper?
2018-09-04 23:55:06	alanz	domenkozar, does that mean cachix support for hie binaries under nix?
2018-09-04 23:55:33	domenkozar	ye
2018-09-04 23:55:40	domenkozar	no, haven't had time to dig into that
2018-09-04 23:55:50	domenkozar	will try to do it as well a bit later
2018-09-04 23:58:09	alanz	ok, will leave you to it
2018-09-05 00:00:20	domenkozar	infinisil: what output should I expect?
2018-09-05 00:00:35	domenkozar	do I need to connect client?
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2018-09-05 00:02:57	fresheyeball	domenkozar: hiya!
2018-09-05 00:03:01	fresheyeball	I did not know this was a channel!
2018-09-05 00:03:16	domenkozar	ha :-)
2018-09-05 00:03:25	fresheyeball	[Error] Got error while processing diagnostics: <command line>: cannot satisfy -package-id HTTP-4000.3.12-DV1bTbL7GEaHjH4LBe1OYx^@    (use -v for more information)
2018-09-05 00:03:29	fresheyeball	this is the error I see in vim
2018-09-05 00:03:45	domenkozar	but you can compile using cabal/stack as usual?
2018-09-05 00:04:01	fresheyeball	I can compile just fine by entering the nix-shell
2018-09-05 00:04:06	fresheyeball	and running cabal build
2018-09-05 00:04:10	fresheyeball	or running nix-build
2018-09-05 00:04:13	domenkozar	I'd try deleting compile cache
2018-09-05 00:04:23	domenkozar	don't ask me how you do that for hie :P
2018-09-05 00:04:35	fresheyeball	domenkozar: I did rm -r dist dist-newbuild 
2018-09-05 00:04:39	infinisil	domenkozar: What I get is about 17 seconds startup time, during that the hie process is at 100%. Removing either TemplateHaskell or aeson gives me 0 seconds
2018-09-05 00:05:39	fresheyeball	domenkozar: is that what you mean?
2018-09-05 00:05:43	alanz	fresheyeball, hie does not support cabal new-build (yet)
2018-09-05 00:05:47	domenkozar	infinisil: can you be more specific what do you measure for 17s?
2018-09-05 00:06:05	domenkozar	untit what log message
2018-09-05 00:06:17	infinisil	domenkozar: Connecting a client, the 17 seconds are until HIE features start working
2018-09-05 00:06:19	domenkozar	until*
2018-09-05 00:06:28	domenkozar	ah ok.
2018-09-05 00:11:00	fresheyeball	https://lpaste.net/1116214837194522624
2018-09-05 00:11:06	fresheyeball	this is my current wrapper script
2018-09-05 00:13:19	domenkozar	infinisil: that project doesn' load for me
2018-09-05 00:13:25	domenkozar	it says it can't satisfy aeson
2018-09-05 00:14:52	domenkozar	https://paste.pound-python.org/show/24JBV1IMkikhDT1s459p/
2018-09-05 00:15:20	domenkozar	fresheyeball: are you using cabal new-build?
2018-09-05 00:15:38	fresheyeball	domenkozar: no
2018-09-05 00:15:51	fresheyeball	I also don't have a cabal.project file
2018-09-05 00:17:50	domenkozar	best to make a reproducable test case
2018-09-05 00:18:39	fresheyeball	aww
2018-09-05 00:22:31	infinisil	domenkozar: Oh heh, well actually I have no idea how people usually get cabal dependencies, maybe cabal install aeson? Make sure the project compiles with `cabal build` first
2018-09-05 00:23:04	domenkozar	well it doesnt :D
2018-09-05 00:23:08	domenkozar	I never use cabal so :)
2018-09-05 00:23:47	domenkozar	Downloading text-1.2.3.0...
2018-09-05 00:23:48	infinisil	domenkozar: cabal configure?
2018-09-05 00:23:50	domenkozar	Build log ( /home/ielectric/.cabal/logs/ghc-8.2.2/random-1.1-LLUGZ7T9DqQ5vN0Jbcd0We.log ):
2018-09-05 00:23:52	domenkozar	/home/ielectric/.cabal/logs/ghc-8.2.2/random-1.1-LLUGZ7T9DqQ5vN0Jbcd0We.log: openFile: does not exist (No such file or directory)
2018-09-05 00:23:53	domenkozar	does this thing even work?
2018-09-05 00:28:57	infinisil	domenkozar: Heh not sure, I only ever use cabal through nix, cabal configure doesn't work either?
2018-09-05 00:29:27	domenkozar	nope
2018-09-05 00:29:33	domenkozar	see my paste above
2018-09-05 00:29:38	domenkozar	that's cabal configure
2018-09-05 00:29:46	domenkozar	and above snippet is cabal install
2018-09-05 00:33:48	jose_zap	alanz I think the committee does need to re-enable the travis hook. I can manually trigger builds, but it does not do it automatically
2018-09-05 00:52:20	alanz	ok, will ping them again
2018-09-05 00:55:13	fresheyeball	domenkozar: I figured it out!
2018-09-05 00:55:19	fresheyeball	I had a shell hook
2018-09-05 00:55:23	fresheyeball	and removing it made it work
2018-09-05 00:56:20	fresheyeball	or atleast it doesn't have the problem it was having
2018-09-05 00:56:40	fresheyeball	now I get 
2018-09-05 00:58:36	fresheyeball	[Error] Got error while processing diagnostics: <no location info>: e...  
2018-09-05 01:30:40	fresheyeball	ok that error went away on its own
2018-09-05 01:30:43	fresheyeball	this is awesome!
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2018-09-05 01:51:56	glittershark	Hesitant to report an issue since it seems to be a pretty widespread problem, but... what gives with the 25GB of RAM HIE is currently using
2018-09-05 01:52:09	glittershark	it's nearly pegged both my main RAM and my swap
2018-09-05 02:07:17	alanz	glittershark, there is a memory leak in ghc, you need to restart the hie server from time to time
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2018-09-05 02:07:43	alanz	"killall -15 hie" works under vscode
2018-09-05 02:07:55	alanz	emacs-lsp has a specific restart server command
2018-09-05 02:15:45	glittershark	yeah, I run `M-x lsp-restart-workspace` fairly frequently
2018-09-05 02:16:01	glittershark	kinda sucks 
2018-09-05 02:16:33	glittershark	is https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/13110 the one?
2018-09-05 02:16:44	glittershark	wonder if it'd help at all to pile on that
2018-09-05 02:17:07	alanz	glittershark, that is one of them.
2018-09-05 02:17:37	alanz	I know there have been a number squashed for 8.6.1, so performance may be better with it
2018-09-05 02:18:04	alanz	We have also never looked closely at memory usage withing hie itself, been focusing on getting it to work as a first step.
2018-09-05 02:18:13	alanz	avoiding premature optimisation :)
2018-09-05 02:22:05	glittershark	heh
2018-09-05 02:22:11	glittershark	maybe it's mature? :P
2018-09-05 02:25:39	alanz	I think it may be getting there
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2018-09-05 06:43:50	fresheyeball	Hey folks
2018-09-05 06:43:58	fresheyeball	so I got HIE working with vim (which is lovely)
2018-09-05 06:44:05	fresheyeball	but I have one major issue so far
2018-09-05 06:44:17	fresheyeball	it doesn't seem to respect default extensions defined in cabal files
2018-09-05 06:44:25	fresheyeball	is that a known issue?
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2018-09-05 13:43:21	alanz	fresheyeball, what are default extensions in cabal files?
2018-09-05 13:43:29	alanz	nvm
2018-09-05 13:43:59	alanz	fresheyeball, it should honour them for the GHC stuff, not necessarily for hlint
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2018-09-06 04:25:18	fresheyeball	hey out there
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2018-09-06 12:50:29	alanz	lukelau, see https://code.visualstudio.com/updates/v1_27#_language-server-protocol
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2018-09-06 20:14:56	lukelau	alanz: Still moving really fast!
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2018-09-06 21:04:31	lukelau	alanz: new version of lsp-test out, updates haskell-lsp to 0.7
2018-09-06 21:04:33	lukelau	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/lsp-test-0.3.0.0
2018-09-06 21:05:02	alanz	lukelau, I am just building a version now, locally
2018-09-06 21:05:03	lukelau	I think there was a too-loose version constraint on it that was causing the hackage build to fail when the new haskell-lsp came out
2018-09-06 21:05:09	alanz	want to tackle that hover thing
2018-09-06 21:05:30	alanz	Starting to make sure I can demonstrate meaningfully at haskellx 
2018-09-06 21:05:56	lukelau	Are there any other parts we need to fix up/make pretty for haskellx?
2018-09-06 21:06:23	alanz	Not sure, to be honest.  First time in a while I have had time to pay attention to this stuff cleanly
2018-09-06 21:06:34	alanz	And starting to think about what to put in to it
2018-09-06 21:06:51	alanz	Ideally I would do an intro at haskellx and a workshop on the saturday
2018-09-06 21:07:01	alanz	but I can't, other committments
2018-09-06 21:07:19	lukelau	Will you be talking about the plugin API or just how to use the server?
2018-09-06 21:07:32	alanz	One thing that I do want to look into, is that I seem to be getting a lot of random import suggestions
2018-09-06 21:08:16	alanz	That is what I am still deciding. Want to go over what is lsp, why it is so exciting (by being the star in a network), how it works at the top level
2018-09-06 21:08:28	alanz	in terms of diagnostics, code actions, hover, etc
2018-09-06 21:08:47	alanz	And then perhaps an overview of how to put a plugin together
2018-09-06 21:09:14	alanz	And of course a live demo, of vscode and emacs
2018-09-06 21:09:55	lukelau	It is very exciting, you should mention how it changes the number of IDE tools from n * m to n + m
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2018-09-06 21:10:44	alanz	yes, that is the star topology bit
2018-09-06 21:11:14	alanz	and that it allows a division of expertise, and sharing of front end expertise across languages
2018-09-06 21:11:30	alanz	so it taps into different dev communities, each expert in their bit
2018-09-06 21:12:52	lukelau	And hie in turn acts as a hub for various existing source tools, each an expert in their own speciality!
2018-09-06 21:12:52	alanz	lukelau, got this
2018-09-06 21:12:53	alanz	stack test
2018-09-06 21:12:54	alanz	Didn't see lsp-test-0.3.0.0 in your package indices.
2018-09-06 21:12:54	alanz	Updating and trying again.
2018-09-06 21:12:54	alanz	Selected mirror https://s3.amazonaws.com/hackage.fpcomplete.com/
2018-09-06 21:12:54	alanz	Downloading timestamp
2018-09-06 21:12:56	alanz	Downloading snapshot
2018-09-06 21:12:57	alanz	Updating index
2018-09-06 21:12:59	alanz	Updated package index downloaded
2018-09-06 21:13:01	alanz	Update complete
2018-09-06 21:13:03	alanz	Populated index cache.
2018-09-06 21:13:05	alanz	The following package identifiers were not found in your indices: lsp-test-0.3.0.0
2018-09-06 21:13:07	alanz	Possible candidates: lsp-test-0.1.0.0, lsp-test-0.2.0.0, lsp-test-0.2.1.0.
2018-09-06 21:13:09	alanz	precisely
2018-09-06 21:13:21	lukelau	alanz: Yeah stackage’s hackage snapshot cache should hopefully be updated within an hour or so
2018-09-06 21:13:29	lukelau	cabal new-build might work
2018-09-06 21:13:39	alanz	its about exposing a context where you can focus on writing your tool leaving out the vagaries of e.g. stack vs cabal vs nix as well
2018-09-06 21:13:58	alanz	ok, I did not realise you had only just uploaded it
2018-09-06 21:14:04	alanz	will use the submodule, np
2018-09-06 21:14:30	alanz	and need to be afk now for a bit
2018-09-06 21:14:42	lukelau	Is it ok if I work on a PR to update to haskell-lsp-0.7/lsp-test-0.3? Not sure if you’re already doing this
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2018-09-06 23:00:28	alanz	lukelau, yes, go for it
2018-09-06 23:00:51	alanz	sorry, I have been a bit AWOL on this stuff
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2018-09-06 23:02:50	lukelau	as have I!
2018-09-06 23:03:45	lukelau	By the way do you know why the .stack-work dir cache isn’t getting restored here? https://circleci.com/gh/Bubba/haskell-ide-engine/1304#usage-queue/containers/0
2018-09-06 23:04:32	alanz	Before looking, I did bump the cache id number in a recent commit
2018-09-06 23:04:49	lukelau	Thats what I’m thinking
2018-09-06 23:04:59	lukelau	Something should be cached for it
2018-09-06 23:05:26	alanz	well, the cache is per branch, I think
2018-09-06 23:05:30	lukelau	Ohhhh
2018-09-06 23:05:39	lukelau	The keys in restore_cache are cascading fallbacks
2018-09-06 23:05:50	lukelau	https://circleci.com/docs/2.0/caching/#example-caching-configuration
2018-09-06 23:06:46	alanz	ok
2018-09-06 23:06:50	alanz	afk for a bit
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2018-09-06 23:17:28	jose_zap	alanz what's that hove thing you mentioned a couple hours before? Maybe I can help
2018-09-06 23:27:10	alanz	jose_zap, I am on it now. Need to change the reply message to the hover request a (Maybe Hover)
2018-09-06 23:27:22	alanz	and then make sure the TH actually puts it in as a null
2018-09-06 23:27:30	jose_zap	cool :)
2018-09-06 23:44:29	jose_zap	alanz how terrible would it be to have the hie-wrapper restart the hie server after reaching a memory limit? Seems like memory usage is number 1 complaint and there is not much we could do until 8.6
2018-09-06 23:47:13	alanz	jose_zap, it does a "replace process" to spawn hie, which keeps all the fds etc the same
2018-09-06 23:47:46	alanz	But, we could do something like self-destruct on memory overrun, and let the client restart it
2018-09-06 23:48:03	alanz	which you need anyway, there needs to be a full handshake on restart
2018-09-06 23:50:48	jose_zap	if hie dies, does the wrapper die too?
2018-09-06 23:51:22	alanz	the wrapper is replace by hie. It is killed by the operating system, and hie runs in its place
2018-09-06 23:53:49	alanz	jose_zap, hmm, it does not show up like that in the process tree.
2018-09-06 23:54:27	alanz	but the point is, the one process replaces the other, so there cannot be a watchdog in hie-wrapper
2018-09-06 23:54:35	alanz	but ther *can* be a watchdog
2018-09-06 23:54:55	alanz	which can send a window/ShowMessage saying what it is doing
2018-09-06 23:55:15	jose_zap	"compacting memory" :D
2018-09-06 23:56:12	alanz	jose_zap, I am pretty sure. This is not my area of expertise, look up the docs
2018-09-06 23:56:12	jose_zap	we could first experiment with exiting hie on too much memory and letting the client restart it, and then explore the watchdog idea
2018-09-06 23:56:19	jose_zap	does that sound like a good path to you?
2018-09-06 23:56:40	alanz	well, that is what I see the watchdog being. Something in hie that kills it
2018-09-06 23:57:07	alanz	ask the gc or system or whatever what memory is being used, and exit if it exceeds a threshold
2018-09-06 23:57:08	jose_zap	ah ok, makes sense. Like a separate thread checking on the memory usage
2018-09-06 23:57:13	alanz	yes
2018-09-06 23:57:24	jose_zap	cool, I'll make a ticket for that and try to tackle this
2018-09-06 23:57:35	alanz	or put it in the main loop in the LspStdio dispatcher.
2018-09-07 00:05:11	jose_zap	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/806
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2018-09-07 03:01:16	lukelau	alanz: I’m getting these errors for liquid when running the tests locally, do you know what’s causing them? My version of liquid is “LiquidHaskell Version 0.8.2.4, Git revision b78152f170bb19f0ddb6e72bfa1e5b3343e5de3c”
2018-09-07 03:01:18	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/Bubba/d48b8a836999595b2e1953c856d5f1e4
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2018-09-07 14:26:05	alanz	lukelau, We are specifically running liquid as an external exe, because of the difficulty of getting it installed with various GHC versions. So we have to be able to tolerate variation, in the tests. And in real life
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2018-09-07 15:19:55	maqbool	I try to install several time it take eternity to build GHC version: 8.4.3
2018-09-07 15:20:12	maqbool	can i get the compiled binary 
2018-09-07 15:22:54	jose_zap	is there any reason you want to compile ghc yourself?
2018-09-07 15:25:57	maqbool	no sorry for confusion ide-engine i meant 
2018-09-07 15:30:18	jose_zap	ah ok, what was the error?
2018-09-07 15:34:17	jose_zap	maqbool ^
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2018-09-07 16:00:34	lukelau	alanz: Should make adjust the test then to account for this scenario as well then?
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2018-09-07 16:46:37	alanz	lukelau, that would be good
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2018-09-07 20:06:05	lukelau	Should the .liquid folder in test/testdata/liquid be git ignored?
2018-09-07 20:07:31	lukelau	They get changed on each test run but I’m not sure if its necessary or not
2018-09-07 20:19:14	lukelau	Nope looks like we need them
2018-09-07 20:19:26	alanz	lukelau, I put it there initially so we could test the parser
2018-09-07 20:19:52	alanz	And it struck me we should probably copy that test project somewhere else for the liquid functional tests.
2018-09-07 20:20:02	alanz	but we need it for the unit tests
2018-09-07 20:20:14	alanz	So maybe make a separate one for it
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2018-09-08 03:10:16	rossng	hi - is there a list of easy issues or ideas anywhere? I'd like to contribute to HIE or related tools but I have no idea where to start.
2018-09-08 03:29:15	lukelau	hi rossng, I just tagged a bunch of issues that might be a good place to start
2018-09-08 03:29:15	lukelau	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/labels/good%20first%20issue
2018-09-08 03:29:16	lukelau	My development workflow is to basically keep a vscode window open with a small test cabal/stack project
2018-09-08 03:29:16	lukelau	I then edit hie, do stack install —fast, and then do “Reload window” from the vscode command palette
2018-09-08 03:29:41	lukelau	If you need to log stuff look at debugm and Debug.Trace.trace
2018-09-08 03:29:58	lukelau	The former will log to $TMPDIR/hie.log, and the latter will be in stderr, which appears in the output panel of vscode
2018-09-08 03:31:41	rossng	great - thanks! I'll have a look at this over the weekend.
2018-09-08 03:34:41	lukelau	Not at all :)
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2018-09-08 17:54:09	alanz	lukelau, my hover null change does not help emacs-lsp, but I think it is worth doing anyway
2018-09-08 17:54:53	lukelau	Yeah I think that should be the correct way regardless
2018-09-08 17:55:01	alanz	And I noticed that the preferred return type is now MarkupContent, https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/gh-pages/specification.md#hover-request-leftwards_arrow_with_hook
2018-09-08 17:55:14	alanz	(which is not supported in emacs-lsp).
2018-09-08 17:55:31	 *	alanz currently leveling up elisp knowledge
2018-09-08 18:05:17	lukelau	Did you try out eglot?
2018-09-08 18:15:03	alanz	not yet
2018-09-08 18:15:18	alanz	or rather, briefly once when it first started
2018-09-08 18:15:32	alanz	but it is pretty much feature incomplete
2018-09-08 18:15:53	alanz	And I want to get to the bottom of the docs display in lsp-ui anyway
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2018-09-08 19:09:41	lukelau	alanz: If we merge your changes for haskell-lsp in #811, I can prepare it for another release + update lsp-test
2018-09-08 19:42:26	alanz	lukelau, thats what I was hoping would happen
2018-09-08 19:46:00	alanz	merged haskell-lsp
2018-09-08 19:47:55	lukelau	alanz: Ok, I’ll bump it now
2018-09-08 19:48:19	alanz	ok
2018-09-08 19:51:56	lukelau	I wonder if its possible to have tags in PRs
2018-09-08 19:59:22	alanz	what do you mean?
2018-09-08 20:07:40	lukelau	If I push some tags to my fork that reference commits in a PR I’ve created, is there a way to add those tags to the main repo whenever the PR is merged
2018-09-08 20:21:11	alanz	I know you can do git push --tags
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2018-09-08 20:44:38	alanz	lukelau, I am going to merge my PR into hie, you can then fix it all up at once
2018-09-08 20:49:00	lukelau	alanz: Sounds good
2018-09-08 20:49:16	alanz	just uploaded haskell-lsp-types
2018-09-08 20:49:45	alanz	and going to try an immediate haskell-lsp, hoping that matrix builds on a FIFO
2018-09-08 20:50:08	alanz	done
2018-09-08 20:53:23	lukelau	Cracking away at lsp-test now
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2018-09-08 21:00:53	alanz	great
2018-09-08 21:01:11	alanz	I am still wading through elisp, trying to work out how frames work
2018-09-08 21:31:40	lukelau	alanz: Are you fixing it within lsp-ui?
2018-09-08 21:31:49	lukelau	Updated lsp-test btw
2018-09-08 21:31:57	alanz	great
2018-09-08 21:32:10	alanz	I am still trying to understand how it is happening in lsp-ui
2018-09-08 21:32:44	alanz	It seems that the initial creation of a buffer is dodgy. But it works ok the second time
2018-09-08 21:33:10	alanz	Trouble is, I also see weirdness around frame sizing when running for a while
2018-09-08 21:33:15	lukelau	maybe its something with emacs itself?
2018-09-08 21:33:41	alanz	No idea
2018-09-08 21:34:03	alanz	But it is something that has been bugging me for a while, and I had some time, so decided to deep dive
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2018-09-08 22:05:36	alanz	yay, I have a lead.  The initial window params are not overriden the first time. Left at zero.
2018-09-08 22:16:47	lukelau	Nice
2018-09-08 22:17:47	alanz	but now to try and see where it gets set normally.
2018-09-08 22:18:16	lukelau	I’m jealous of how emacs has proper window/ui support
2018-09-08 22:18:36	lukelau	everything in vim is just a buffer
2018-09-08 22:20:07	alanz	well, tbh this is only available on emacs 26, the current stable
2018-09-08 22:20:13	alanz	so hot off the press
2018-09-08 22:20:23	alanz	Debian testing is still on 25
2018-09-08 22:23:48	jose_zap	lukelau maybe coming one day https://github.com/neovim/neovim/pull/6619
2018-09-08 22:24:34	lukelau	jose_zap: Ah I’m a vanilla vim person myself
2018-09-08 22:24:49	lukelau	Looking at neovim also makes me jealous
2018-09-08 22:24:52	jose_zap	now you will have a reason t change :)
2018-09-08 22:24:54	jose_zap	haha
2018-09-08 22:25:18	jose_zap	how did the snippets feature work in your vim?
2018-09-08 22:25:22	lukelau	LanguageClient-Neovim sucks on plain vim, I’ve had to make a few PRs myself to add basic stuff like highlight groups for diagnostics
2018-09-08 22:25:37	lukelau	LanguageClient-neovim just ignored them when I tested it on it
2018-09-08 22:25:53	lukelau	It just inserted the function name, no arguments
2018-09-08 22:26:33	jose_zap	well, at least it is not a mess :D
2018-09-08 22:27:19	jose_zap	lukelau where do you see the hie server logs while working with vim?
2018-09-08 22:27:24	jose_zap	I'd like to poke at some things
2018-09-08 22:29:01	lukelau	Depends on where you configure the `-d` flag to point to
2018-09-08 22:29:07	lukelau	Sorry -l
2018-09-08 22:29:15	lukelau	I usually do hie -d -l /tmp/hie.log
2018-09-08 22:30:02	alanz	btw, I think we should add an extra log option, to output a separate file which is compatible with https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/inspector/
2018-09-08 22:30:31	alanz	(and get lsp-test able to read it)
2018-09-08 22:31:25	jose_zap	thanks, that was useful lukelau 
2018-09-08 22:31:37	jose_zap	that sounds like a good idea
2018-09-08 23:33:02	jose_zap	alanz looks like after killing the hie server and vscode restarting it, vscode cannot communicate with the new instance anymore. Do you know why would that be?
2018-09-08 23:34:29	alanz	no, that normally works. Maybe you need to kill the hie-wrapper too/instead
2018-09-08 23:34:43	jose_zap	I'm starting it without a wrapper
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2018-09-08 23:37:59	alanz	ok, my standard in vscode if it gets too memory hungry is to do "killall -15 hie", and it restarts
2018-09-08 23:38:17	jose_zap	alanz another weird thing is that vscode sometimes starts 2 instances of hie
2018-09-08 23:39:06	alanz	it may do that if you have sub-projects, launches one for each project
2018-09-08 23:39:19	alanz	Are you working on something with a cabal file?
2018-09-08 23:39:32	jose_zap	working on hie itself
2018-09-08 23:40:11	jose_zap	ok, I know how to reproduce it
2018-09-08 23:40:16	alanz	ok, be aware, the hie exe refers back into .stack-work
2018-09-08 23:40:31	alanz	so if you recompile while running it, weird stuff can happen
2018-09-08 23:40:44	alanz	I have a separate repo that I install from, for that reason
2018-09-08 23:40:51	jose_zap	no, I'm executing the binary from somewhere else
2018-09-08 23:41:11	jose_zap	this is how to reproduce: open the project, and open 2 or 3 hs files
2018-09-08 23:41:16	jose_zap	close code and open again
2018-09-08 23:41:34	jose_zap	almost invariably 2 or 3 hie servers are started. Does not happen when a single file is left open
2018-09-08 23:41:43	alanz	I think someone raised that as an issue already? I think is is an issue in vscode itself
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2018-09-08 23:42:02	jose_zap	I'll check
2018-09-08 23:42:04	alanz	it may be raised against the vscode plugin repo
2018-09-08 23:42:23	jose_zap	yeah, this one https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/issues/111
2018-09-08 23:42:26	alanz	I have not investigated, but hie does not start itself
2018-09-08 23:42:53	jose_zap	right, could be either code or the plugin
2018-09-08 23:43:11	alanz	yes
2018-09-08 23:47:47	jose_zap	well, I think that is for now the end of the idea of restarting hie on too much memory
2018-09-08 23:47:54	jose_zap	neither neovim nor vscode are handling a restart well
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2018-09-09 00:16:38	jose_zap	alanz you think there is a way for the wrapper to kill hie and keep the session "alive" ?
2018-09-09 00:17:03	alanz	no, there is too much state in it
2018-09-09 00:18:08	jose_zap	hmm ok
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2018-09-09 00:27:57	alanz	lukelau, I gave up: https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-ui/issues/178
2018-09-09 00:46:24	lukelau	Aw
2018-09-09 00:46:59	lukelau	I seriously hope more clients aim to start integrating LSP natively, rather than relying on third party plugins
2018-09-09 00:57:17	alanz	It should happen as it becomes more entrenched
2018-09-09 01:57:04	infinisil	lukelau: You mean like https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell/?
2018-09-09 01:57:38	infinisil	Which is a thin wrapper for HIE for emacs
2018-09-09 01:57:57	infinisil	(so much for the NxM -> N+M problem :P)
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2018-09-09 03:22:01	lukelau	infinisil: I meant as in like how vscode has lsp support built in
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2018-09-09 03:22:20	lukelau	But I still don’t quite understand why it requires custom extensions to be built to register the language server
2018-09-09 03:23:15	lukelau	My “dream editor” would have one section in a settings file where I could list the commands to execute language servers for each file type
2018-09-09 03:26:51	infinisil	I've thought of implementing something like this for Nix
2018-09-09 03:27:31	infinisil	Since it's pretty much a build system that can build everything, I could use it to have a config that sets up each editor with the language servers and the required config for each of them, such that everything works out nicely
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2018-09-09 04:44:39	camsbury	hi all -> trying to use hie in nixos in a nix-shell
2018-09-09 04:44:50	camsbury	and call that from emacs when starting lsp-haskell
2018-09-09 04:45:05	camsbury	but getting the following:
2018-09-09 04:45:15	camsbury	Error during redisplay: (eval (lsp-mode-line)) signaled (wrong-type-argument lsp--workspace nil) [3 times]
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2018-09-09 16:44:39	lukelau	alanz: ^?
2018-09-09 16:44:51	lukelau	Is this related to what you were looking at?
2018-09-09 16:45:37	alanz	lukelau, I don't think so. Mine is a visual effect, the initial hover box is a 1x1 square
2018-09-09 16:57:52	jose_zap	does anyone know how to make a LSP.TextEdit such that I can insert a line above the range I have from a diagnostic?
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2018-09-09 17:26:23	lukelau	jose_zap: To insert a line you need to set have a range with (x,0)(x,0)
2018-09-09 17:26:29	lukelau	Where x is the line you want to insert it on
2018-09-09 17:26:47	lukelau	And the text you insert has a line break or whatever
2018-09-09 17:27:44	lukelau	So if your range is (sl, sc) (el, ec) then you should insert at (sl,0)(sl,0)
2018-09-09 17:34:12	jose_zap	ahh, cool
2018-09-09 17:34:14	jose_zap	I'll try that
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2018-09-09 17:42:24	jose_zap	lukelau I just found this, very promising https://github.com/neovim/neovim/pull/6856
2018-09-09 17:49:14	lukelau	jose_zap: That might be the the last thing needed to convince me to switch!
2018-09-09 17:49:24	jose_zap	:D
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2018-09-09 18:13:43	lukelau	Gurkenglas: Do you know what happened with https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/730?
2018-09-09 18:14:42	lukelau	jose_zap: just read your comment on that PR, sorry I misread you originally
2018-09-09 18:15:12	lukelau	I thought you meant create a data type e.g. data WithSnippets = With | Without etc
2018-09-09 18:15:18	jose_zap	lukelau I'm about to finish that feature, I used some of his code and now adding tests
2018-09-09 18:15:44	jose_zap	ah no, just a `newtype` so we can tag the bool with its usage
2018-09-09 18:15:56	jose_zap	I find that helps with documentation
2018-09-09 18:16:45	Gurkenglas	lukelau, it was never tested, nothing happened
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2018-09-09 18:41:49	jose_zap	lukelau https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/813
2018-09-09 18:43:21	lukelau	jose_zap: 👍👍👍
2018-09-09 19:01:33	infinisil	Goddamnit, for some reason HIE gets out of sync with the emacs buffer, so it tells me about errors for things that aren't even there anymore
2018-09-09 19:01:58	infinisil	I can fix it by restarting HIE, but with the super slow startup of 4 minutes without responsiveness this isn't practical anymore
2018-09-09 19:05:00	jose_zap	I would like to get to the bottom of that, something similar happens in vim
2018-09-09 19:05:44	jose_zap	where if you type "putStrLn" it would report an error like "undefined function put"
2018-09-09 19:06:10	jose_zap	and convincing vim that there is more text after that can take some weird tricks
2018-09-09 19:25:00	lukelau	jose_zap: infinisil: I believe this is an issue with the timing of diagnostics
2018-09-09 19:25:29	lukelau	I remember seeing it crop up around the time that we redid the plugin API to use providers
2018-09-09 19:28:57	jose_zap	maybe add a ticket explaining why you think it was introduced there lukelau? That way we can keep it in mind to fix it later
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2018-09-09 20:05:11	maerwald	'stack --stack-yaml=stack-8.2.2.yaml install' fails
2018-09-09 20:05:16	maerwald	are you not using CI?
2018-09-09 20:09:24	maerwald	apparently you don't https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/commit/bb0fd6578d57e36be1aaa98b91e6640d3b2cf419
2018-09-09 20:09:29	maerwald	and as a result, stuff is broken
2018-09-09 20:46:19	maerwald	and now hie runs cabal configure
2018-09-09 20:46:21	maerwald	ok...
2018-09-09 20:47:11	maerwald	never had so many random unrelated problems with ghc-mod... although it breaks also fairly often
2018-09-09 21:20:15	infinisil	Note to self (this should probably go into the HIE troubleshooting section): If you get "cannot satisfy -package-id <package>", try cabal update
2018-09-09 21:20:37	infinisil	And if <package> has a hash after it, make sure to delete any .ghc.environment* files
2018-09-09 21:31:25	infinisil	So, it seems that even though all my packages come from Nix, ghc-mod still wants to use my ~/.cabal thing for some reason
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2018-09-09 21:37:47	lukelau	jose_zap: I’d like to make a test case first and git bisect it
2018-09-09 21:37:52	lukelau	Just to confirm my hunch
2018-09-09 21:40:14	lukelau	infinisil: I’m going to stick this into the troubleshooting part of the README
2018-09-09 22:11:44	infinisil	lukelau: thanks
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2018-09-09 22:50:20	Gurkenglas	Shouldn't it rather go in an error message postprocessor?
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2018-09-09 23:46:29	lukelau	Working on the branch for caching parsed modules, ran the tests for the first time and got a “failure”: https://gist.github.com/bubba/a77931f5a417428b7a515c2e3798348b
2018-09-09 23:47:43	jose_zap	heh, now you need to clean the cache between tests
2018-09-09 23:54:15	lukelau	It’s a good thing! It no longer needs the module to typecheck in order to return certain results
2018-09-09 23:54:52	lukelau	That test was expecting hie to error since the file it ran it on had an error, but now document symbols only need the parsed source so it was able to return something anyway
2018-09-10 00:00:38	jose_zap	that sounds great!!
2018-09-10 00:20:36	infinisil	Arghhh, I got the error about "cannot satisfy -package-id <package>-<hash>" again
2018-09-10 00:20:45	infinisil	But this time none of my previous fixes works
2018-09-10 00:21:49	infinisil	The package is hnix. I deleted all caches (~/.cabal, dist, dist-newstyle), all .ghc.environment files, redid cabal update, cabal configure, cabal build
2018-09-10 00:22:16	infinisil	Goddamnit ghc is picky about these versions
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2018-09-10 00:56:54	infinisil	Do I need to compile HIE with the exact same version I'm using for my projects?
2018-09-10 00:57:09	jose_zap	yes
2018-09-10 00:57:24	infinisil	Well darn, that's the problem
2018-09-10 00:57:42	infinisil	And a problem with hie-nix
2018-09-10 00:58:07	jose_zap	is it using the same version for all projects?
2018-09-10 00:58:35	infinisil	hie-nix is pinned to a ghc version, so yeah
2018-09-10 00:58:56	infinisil	The problem I have started occuring when I updated my project from the previously same-as-hie version to a future one
2018-09-10 00:59:45	infinisil	It's the same GHC version though, 8.4.3
2018-09-10 01:12:20	jose_zap	I'm trying to somehow disable -Werror on on behalf of the user, since it breaks a lot of stuff when enabled in stack. Anyone has a clue on how to do this?
2018-09-10 01:13:14	jose_zap	I tried to "unSetGeneralFlag' Opt_WarnIsError" when calling GM.withDynFlags, but seems to be ignoring that
2018-09-10 01:42:21	lukelau	jose_zap: Are you doing it in `myWrapper` of GhcMod.hs?
2018-09-10 01:42:27	jose_zap	yes
2018-09-10 01:42:39	jose_zap	in the same place where you introduced the deferTypeHoles
2018-09-10 01:44:33	lukelau	And warnings still become errors?
2018-09-10 01:44:50	lukelau	Maybe that’s only for the current module and not for other modules that are loaded
2018-09-10 01:46:17	alanz	There is something in ghc-mod as well, around putting that stuff in, in a particular order. Look at the module loader
2018-09-10 01:46:39	lukelau	I see travis has been enabled https://travis-ci.org/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/builds/426400318?utm_source=github_status&utm_medium=notification
2018-09-10 01:46:47	alanz	great
2018-09-10 01:46:58	lukelau	Need to install liquid on it though
2018-09-10 01:48:19	lukelau	There’s some naming stuff I want to clear up with in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/815
2018-09-10 01:49:12	lukelau	Mainly now there’s CacheableModule, UriCache, UriCacheResult, GhcModuleCache and CachedInfo
2018-09-10 01:49:34	jose_zap	lukelau yeah, it is like it is ignored completely
2018-09-10 01:50:05	jose_zap	lukelau that travis build was enabled manually by myself
2018-09-10 01:50:23	lukelau	jose_zap: On the haskell org?
2018-09-10 01:50:45	jose_zap	anyonce with commit rights can manually trigger builds from the travis UI
2018-09-10 01:50:50	jose_zap	I don;t think the hook is there yet
2018-09-10 01:50:56	lukelau	Ah ok
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2018-09-10 01:52:35	jose_zap	alanz cannot find anything in ghc-mod related to Werror
2018-09-10 01:56:51	alanz	not werror, the general setting of flags, I forget what, but there is something we turn on, or off
2018-09-10 01:57:40	jose_zap	mm ok
2018-09-10 01:57:43	jose_zap	I'll read more
2018-09-10 01:59:10	alanz	Its in Target.hs, runGmltWith'. We set -fno-warn-missing-home-modules
2018-09-10 01:59:23	alanz	but than add in the optGhcUserOptions
2018-09-10 01:59:44	alanz	so you could pass those in as params, to turn off Werror
2018-09-10 02:02:37	jose_zap	interesting... I'll play with that
2018-09-10 02:09:02	jose_zap	alanz that worked!
2018-09-10 02:09:11	alanz	great
2018-09-10 02:09:21	jose_zap	alanz how do I go about changing the submodule?
2018-09-10 02:09:54	alanz	well, you can leave it as it is, and pass that in as an option from MainHie.hs
2018-09-10 02:10:49	alanz	Otherwise you fork the ghc-mod repo, and add it as an upstream to the checkout submodule (git remote add foo https://github.com...)
2018-09-10 02:11:03	alanz	and then update .gitmodules to use your remote
2018-09-10 02:11:20	jose_zap	alright
2018-09-10 02:11:43	alanz	And I normally add my remote twice, once with https (for pulling), and once with git:// (for pushing)
2018-09-10 02:12:04	alanz	so other people can build it too, and I can push without having to mess with passwords
2018-09-10 02:12:58	alanz	$ git remote -v
2018-09-10 02:12:59	alanz	alanz	git@github.com:alanz/ghc-mod.git (fetch)
2018-09-10 02:12:59	alanz	alanz	git@github.com:alanz/ghc-mod.git (push)
2018-09-10 02:12:59	alanz	dxld	git@github.com:DanielG/ghc-mod.git (fetch)
2018-09-10 02:12:59	alanz	dxld	git@github.com:DanielG/ghc-mod.git (push)
2018-09-10 02:13:00	alanz	origin	https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod.git (fetch)
2018-09-10 02:13:01	alanz	origin	https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod.git (push)
2018-09-10 02:13:35	jose_zap	oh, I see lukelau is doing something similar in his recent PR
2018-09-10 02:14:18	alanz	yes
2018-09-10 02:14:22	lukelau	I made a PR to alanz’s fork
2018-09-10 02:14:30	lukelau	I need to do one for HaRe as well
2018-09-10 02:14:41	alanz	yes, I saw you changed both
2018-09-10 02:15:01	lukelau	What branch have we currently checked out in hie for hare? ghc-8.4?
2018-09-10 02:15:25	alanz	I am not sure, tbh. I hope it is 8.6
2018-09-10 02:15:54	lukelau	Looks like neither
2018-09-10 02:16:00	lukelau	It’s on a11f797e408fe02c8443cf8ab0f5b4eaab66714c
2018-09-10 02:16:05	alanz	It seems to have reverted, I am sure I pushed it there before. Yes
2018-09-10 02:16:06	lukelau	Which is on ghc-8.4, but not HEAD
2018-09-10 02:16:20	lukelau	Want me to make the PR against 8.6 anyway?
2018-09-10 02:16:28	alanz	yes, we need to get it in
2018-09-10 02:16:49	alanz	this is they tyranny of not having the whole ecosystem on hackage
2018-09-10 02:17:03	alanz	cabal-helper is now, but ghc-mod-core is not
2018-09-10 02:17:21	alanz	which means there has not been a new HaRe release to hackage for years
2018-09-10 02:17:48	lukelau	But ghc-mod is on hackage right?
2018-09-10 02:18:01	lukelau	Does HaRe need core on hackage?
2018-09-10 02:18:24	alanz	HaRe needs the ghc-mod-core that hie is using
2018-09-10 02:18:40	alanz	Which has yet to be merged/accepted by dxld
2018-09-10 02:18:53	alanz	And I gather he intends reworking it completely.
2018-09-10 02:19:09	alanz	So we run in limbo so long
2018-09-10 02:19:33	lukelau	We need a mad-detective corkboard with bits of string connecting together all the submodules + forks + packages on hackage
2018-09-10 02:19:42	alanz	But I gather there is some progress happening at the moment
2018-09-10 02:19:45	alanz	I agree
2018-09-10 02:20:10	alanz	maybe stack 1.9.1 will help, it is bringing in that pantry feature
2018-09-10 02:20:31	lukelau	I heard about it on twitter, not quite sure what its about yet
2018-09-10 02:21:08	alanz	Michael Snoyman has written some blog posts about it, I think
2018-09-10 02:21:31	alanz	Basically a way of getting a dep from anywhere, based on its hash, I think
2018-09-10 02:21:41	alanz	I have not looked at the details too much yet
2018-09-10 02:22:29	alanz	https://www.fpcomplete.com/blog/2018/07/pantry-part-1-package-index
2018-09-10 02:23:03	alanz	https://www.fpcomplete.com/blog/2018/07/pantry-part-2-trees-keys
2018-09-10 02:23:28	alanz	https://www.fpcomplete.com/blog/2018/08/pantry-part-3/specifying-dependencies
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2018-09-10 02:28:30	infinisil	Wait, how does haskell-ide-engine work with ghc-mod and GHC 8.4.3?
2018-09-10 02:28:42	infinisil	Doesn't ghc-mod only work with GHC 8.2.x?
2018-09-10 02:28:59	alanz	nope, 8.2.x and 8.4.3
2018-09-10 02:29:22	alanz	and domenkozars hie-nix builds all the versions too?
2018-09-10 02:29:36	infinisil	Yeah
2018-09-10 02:29:45	alanz	https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix
2018-09-10 02:29:57	alanz	it builds the 8.0 one too
2018-09-10 02:30:05	alanz	which is being left behind in the dirt
2018-09-10 02:30:14	infinisil	Yeah lol
2018-09-10 02:30:34	infinisil	I'm trying to have a way to reproduce these constant "cannot satisfy" errors by getting a ghc-mod binary
2018-09-10 02:30:35	alanz	And I love his cachix, so it is basically a download instead of a build
2018-09-10 02:30:50	alanz	hie uses ghc-mod as a library
2018-09-10 02:31:04	alanz	actually ghc-mod is split in two, a ghc-mod-core and ghc-od
2018-09-10 02:31:15	alanz	and we use both, but as libraries
2018-09-10 02:31:26	infinisil	Is there any way to reproduce these errors without having to go through HIE?
2018-09-10 02:31:33	alanz	and also cabal-helper, which has to be able to install cabal-helper-wrapper
2018-09-10 02:31:42	alanz	which errors?
2018-09-10 02:34:01	infinisil	alanz: "Got error while processing diagnostics: <command line>: cannot satisfy -package-id hnix-0.5.2-5hMz8sQY4ky2OCdjsvbD9J"
2018-09-10 02:35:12	alanz	that is usually because it is the wrong GHC version. But in the nix environment it could mean exactly that
2018-09-10 02:35:31	alanz	is that package on your machine?
2018-09-10 02:35:31	infinisil	It's the exact same version 8.4.3
2018-09-10 02:35:55	infinisil	It is in `ghc-pkg list`
2018-09-10 02:36:00	infinisil	Not with the hash though
2018-09-10 02:36:56	infinisil	This is the full ghc-pkg list output: https://gist.github.com/Infinisil/195b577a585b0a48e24eab733c301d84
2018-09-10 02:37:46	infinisil	I'd just like to get HIE out of the equation so I can stop complaining about it here, because I'm pretty sure it's ghc-mod's fault
2018-09-10 02:38:15	infinisil	I don't even know where this 5hMz8sQ... hash comes from
2018-09-10 02:38:27	alanz	well, hie uses ghc-mod/cabal-helper to set up the package environemnt
2018-09-10 02:38:53	alanz	but how nix interacts with things is a mystery to me
2018-09-10 02:39:19	alanz	I only have a tenuous grasp on how cabal-helper/ghc-mod-core hang together, never mind nix too
2018-09-10 02:40:44	dxld	nix has always been a bit iffy :)
2018-09-10 02:41:30	alanz	It's a complex environment on top of another complex environment
2018-09-10 02:41:37	dxld	mhm
2018-09-10 02:41:50	alanz	and the fact that it is (sort of) supported via stack makes it even more complex
2018-09-10 02:42:08	alanz	infinisil, do you have nix enabled in the stack project you are working with?
2018-09-10 02:42:10	infinisil	This here seems like my kind of errors https://github.com/DanielG/ghc-mod/issues/607
2018-09-10 02:42:19	alanz	I understand it has to be set up a particula way
2018-09-10 02:42:20	infinisil	I'm using cabal
2018-09-10 02:42:40	dxld	it's a really generic error
2018-09-10 02:43:07	infinisil	True..
2018-09-10 02:44:09	infinisil	Here's the --vomit output: https://gist.github.com/Infinisil/2be39e591e51303591e61c7cbba73f1d
2018-09-10 02:45:42	dxld	how do you configure the cabal package with nix stuff in scope?
2018-09-10 02:46:17	dxld	is it just `nix-env cabal configure` or something along those lines?
2018-09-10 02:47:04	infinisil	Just a moment, can share what I do
2018-09-10 02:47:47	dxld	the thing is once you have run `cabal configure` all the necessary paths should be found by ghc-mod
2018-09-10 02:48:24	dxld	but the -package-db argument for ghc-mod to find the nix store dir where hnix is seems to be missing
2018-09-10 02:48:53	dxld	IIRC nix does this weird thing where it has a wrapper executable for ghc that picks up some environment stuff nix-env (or whatever it was) sets
2018-09-10 02:49:08	dxld	but ghc-mod doesn't get the benefit of that since it's using the ghc library directly
2018-09-10 02:49:42	dxld	but last time I tryed debugging this with someone was ages ago so I may be misremembering
2018-09-10 02:50:46	alanz	dxld, would it be feasible to pass in some flag to ghc-mod to get it to do something special for nix?
2018-09-10 02:51:01	infinisil	Ah yeah you're right, ghc is a wrapper
2018-09-10 02:51:20	infinisil	This is it: https://gist.github.com/226fef377def9e9c639781f70ee43f99
2018-09-10 02:51:22	alanz	and/or write a nix util to dump the package info somewhere
2018-09-10 02:51:58	alanz	maybe look for those environment vars
2018-09-10 02:52:40	dxld	I'm sure there is some way to do something
2018-09-10 02:52:52	dxld	but so far no one has bothered to give me repro instructions :)
2018-09-10 02:52:56	alanz	after new-build, I hope
2018-09-10 02:53:05	dxld	and here I thought nix was supposed to make that easy :p
2018-09-10 02:53:16	alanz	dxld, infinisil is pretty persistent, I am sure they will be happy to cooperate
2018-09-10 02:53:45	 *	alanz careful choice of neutral pronoun
2018-09-10 02:53:47	dxld	given a way to setup nix from scratch to the point where I can reproduce this issue I'd be happy to debug it
2018-09-10 02:53:48	infinisil	Yeah indeed, I should be able to make it reproducible for the most part
2018-09-10 02:54:44	infinisil	Well this is the project at least: https://github.com/Infinisil/nixbot/blob/split-repl/nix-session/nix-session.cabal
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2018-09-10 02:55:30	infinisil	And this nix file (and the shell.nix) is used to get into a nix-shell that can build it
2018-09-10 02:55:33	infinisil	https://github.com/Infinisil/nixbot/blob/split-repl/default.nix
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2018-09-10 02:56:11	infinisil	It gets all the dependencies from the pinned nixpkgs version specified there
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2018-09-10 02:56:55	infinisil	With this I can build the package just fine with nix-build, cabal build and cabal new-build
2018-09-10 02:57:34	alanz	I just tried add signature, works like a bomb
2018-09-10 02:57:39	alanz	on current master
2018-09-10 02:59:58	infinisil	dxld: The package-db flag thing you mentioned does indeed sound like that might be it
2018-09-10 03:00:05	dxld	infinisil: you're going to have to be a little more detailed, I don't actually know how to use nix :)
2018-09-10 03:00:31	infinisil	Yeah, that was just a quick show-what-i-got
2018-09-10 03:01:17	dxld	I probably don't have enough time to look in detail right now
2018-09-10 03:01:40	infinisil	Yeah, and I don't have something easy to reproduce right now either
2018-09-10 03:02:19	dxld	I'm knees deep in a cabal-helper refactor right now
2018-09-10 03:02:34	dxld	those are always fun
2018-09-10 03:02:53	dxld	</sarcasm>
2018-09-10 03:02:55	alanz	dxld, having dipped my toes in only, I feel for you
2018-09-10 03:04:13	dxld	I tried getting ghc 7.4.2 working on my system for testing like all day today
2018-09-10 03:04:22	dxld	no luck -.-
2018-09-10 03:04:37	dxld	now I have to drop support for old Cabal versions :<
2018-09-10 03:04:49	infinisil	Is that such a bad thing?
2018-09-10 03:04:58	infinisil	7.4.2 seems pretty old
2018-09-10 03:05:26	dxld	I suppose not
2018-09-10 03:05:47	dxld	but I've been able to maintain support for Cabal all the way back to 1.16
2018-09-10 03:05:54	dxld	just feels wrong to drop it :)
2018-09-10 03:06:53	dxld	but I suppose it had to happen eventually
2018-09-10 03:09:51	alanz	dxld, to me there is a tradeoff between supporting the old and the new
2018-09-10 03:10:24	alanz	and realistically, people using the really old are pretty stuck anyway, so are unlikely to be able to use much of the modern tooling anyway
2018-09-10 03:10:34	alanz	so they can/should use the tooling from the period
2018-09-10 03:10:48	 *	infinisil agrees with that
2018-09-10 03:10:51	alanz	and it is more useful to get support for the current stuff
2018-09-10 03:11:29	alanz	It is like the hie support for GHC 8.0.2. It is there, but has not been updated for months
2018-09-10 03:11:37	alanz	so does not have the latest features
2018-09-10 03:11:56	alanz	and we have not had complaints (to my knowledge)
2018-09-10 03:12:11	 *	alanz cue deluge of GHC 8.0.2 bug reports against hie
2018-09-10 03:13:12	 *	alanz afk, bed
2018-09-10 03:13:43	infinisil	Night!
2018-09-10 03:21:16	infinisil	WHAT
2018-09-10 03:21:25	infinisil	What did I just do that it suddenly works now
2018-09-10 03:23:26	infinisil	Seriously, NOT funny
2018-09-10 03:24:56	infinisil	Oh, well this is interesting
2018-09-10 03:25:45	infinisil	I created a new fresh and simple project to try to make it reproducible. Started emacs, started HIE in the new project, went over to my main project, started HIE there, and oh wonder, it works
2018-09-10 03:26:04	infinisil	However, when I first start HIE in my main project, it fails
2018-09-10 03:26:28	infinisil	Those projects are in separate folders, not nested..
2018-09-10 03:26:49	infinisil	So it seems that something with how my project is set up causes the fail
2018-09-10 03:28:33	dxld	hmmm
2018-09-10 03:28:58	dxld	I'm not sure how hie handles multiple projects in a single editor instance
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2018-09-10 03:30:01	dxld	but that does sound like it might be something that doesn't even have anything to do with ghc-mod at all
2018-09-10 03:30:24	dxld	but only if hie starts two seperate instances for those projects
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2018-09-10 03:54:13	infinisil	Aha!
2018-09-10 03:54:20	infinisil	dxld: I seem to have found the error
2018-09-10 03:54:29	infinisil	But not sure why
2018-09-10 03:57:36	infinisil	The error was due to this nix thing: https://github.com/Infinisil/nixbot/blob/split-repl/shell.nix#L3
2018-09-10 03:57:50	infinisil	Which i thought was equivalent to what I've done before, but it's apparently not, because this one fails
2018-09-10 03:58:47	infinisil	dxld: https://github.com/Infinisil/ghc-mod-error/blob/master/default.nix#L13-L19
2018-09-10 03:59:15	infinisil	I'll investigate why those aren't the same
2018-09-10 03:59:20	infinisil	So it seems to be a nix problem after all
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2018-09-10 04:32:59	infinisil	Le fix has been served: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/pull/46453
2018-09-10 04:33:44	infinisil	I can finally stop debugging this crap and continue writing code
2018-09-10 04:34:25	dxld	:)
2018-09-10 04:34:55	infinisil	Although, now I'm exhausted, so maybe not
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2018-09-11 17:01:54	jose_zap	What do you guys think of debouncing messages from the client in the dispatcher? One way to get the fans in my laptop to spin like crazy is to write some documentation comments in any haskell file. Almost every keystroke is sent as an event, which triggers recompilation.
2018-09-11 17:02:29	jose_zap	Do you think debouncing (ignoring older requests if many pf the same type come in a given span of time) is a reasonable solution?
2018-09-11 18:32:58	alanz	jose_zap, that is what the queue is for, into the dispatcher
2018-09-11 18:34:13	alanz	but having a timer on the hie side that waits until a certain time has passed before compiling could be interesting. But difficult to get the timeout set right, I think
2018-09-11 18:35:31	jose_zap	I'm not sure it is that difficult, in any case we are used to waiting a little bit to get feedback from hie, so making it debounce for 100-200 milliseconds could be a good thing
2018-09-11 18:35:51	jose_zap	provided that 100ms is enough for those bad edge cases like writing a doc block
2018-09-11 18:35:51	alanz	agree
2018-09-11 18:36:14	alanz	nagle's algorithm :)
2018-09-11 18:37:27	jose_zap	yeah, pretty much
2018-09-11 18:37:49	jose_zap	alanz can you point me to the place where this could be implemented? I'd like to investigate if this would improve anything
2018-09-11 18:38:29	alanz	jose_zap, I would have to give it some thought, to be honest.
2018-09-11 18:38:58	alanz	Somewhere in the dispatcher in LspStdio, but where/how precisely I am not sure
2018-09-11 18:40:04	jose_zap	ok, I can start looking at it this weekend anyway, so no rush :)
2018-09-11 18:41:26	alanz	ok
2018-09-11 18:41:44	alanz	maybe create an issue, to be a discussion place
2018-09-11 18:46:58	jose_zap	will do
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2018-09-11 19:57:33	reactormonk	For hsimport, I'll need hoogle DB, correct?
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2018-09-11 20:55:07	jose_zap	yes
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2018-09-11 22:44:32	Franciman	hi
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2018-09-11 23:33:24	alanz	Franciman, hu
2018-09-11 23:33:25	alanz	hi
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2018-09-11 23:33:30	Franciman	hello alanz 
2018-09-11 23:33:39	alanz	how's things?
2018-09-11 23:33:59	Franciman	pretty good, how about you?
2018-09-11 23:34:30	alanz	also good, glad to be seeing all the people contributing to hie
2018-09-11 23:34:37	alanz	it is shaping up really nicely
2018-09-11 23:34:46	Franciman	I agree!
2018-09-11 23:35:25	Franciman	alanz, I've come here, as usual, to ask about cabal new-style projects :P
2018-09-11 23:35:29	Franciman	I'd really like to help
2018-09-11 23:35:36	Franciman	but I don't know where to get started
2018-09-11 23:36:10	alanz	The support needs to come in via ghc-mod/cabal-helper
2018-09-11 23:36:25	alanz	And I know dxld is working on getting cabal-helper to support it
2018-09-11 23:36:43	alanz	So perhaps ask him how you can help, on the #ghc-mod channel
2018-09-11 23:37:37	Franciman	cool! Thanks
2018-09-11 23:38:09	alanz	and I think his work may be happening primarily on gitlab, but I think it mirrors to github
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2018-09-12 00:09:44	jose_zap	alanz sorry I did not create the ticket before, got busy at work
2018-09-12 00:13:41	alanz	no problem, I was just thinking about it, so wrote my thoughts down
2018-09-12 00:14:12	alanz	And wondering if we need some kind of "smart queue" instead of all these tvars
2018-09-12 00:15:49	jose_zap	where smart = the ability to debounce?
2018-09-12 00:17:55	alanz	that, and the ability to cancel
2018-09-12 00:18:35	alanz	I am just concerned that we have a whole lot of ad-hoc hacks to get the result we want
2018-09-12 00:18:57	alanz	And we should maybe break it out into its own component, and make it do all that stuff
2018-09-12 00:18:57	jose_zap	not familiar with all of them, can you offer a quick summary?
2018-09-12 00:19:29	alanz	I am not all that familiar either, the set of processing around that has grown over time
2018-09-12 00:20:22	alanz	But the key thing is you put someting in the q, there is a single thread for the ghc stuff which may take a long time, so you need to choose the right thing to do when the thread is available again
2018-09-12 00:20:28	alanz	sort of like a scheduler, I guess
2018-09-12 00:20:54	jose_zap	yeah sounds more like a scheduler
2018-09-12 00:20:55	alanz	But if you have a later version of a file, there is no point getting diags on the prior one
2018-09-12 00:21:08	jose_zap	agree
2018-09-12 00:21:12	alanz	And I would claim a scheduler *is* a smart queue
2018-09-12 00:21:59	jose_zap	I can get behind that idea
2018-09-12 00:22:49	jose_zap	another trick I was thinking of is entirely avoiding a typecheck if we can detect you are writing a comment
2018-09-12 00:25:07	alanz	interesting. But you need to parse to do that
2018-09-12 00:28:17	jose_zap	one simple heuristic is to read the current line and see if it starts with -- after removing spaces
2018-09-12 00:28:37	jose_zap	that solves a 60% of the cases, I'd say
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2018-09-12 03:07:57	infinisil	Alright, so this slowdown from ghc using the interpreter makes it not practical to use HIE
2018-09-12 03:08:36	infinisil	Especially combined with the problem with the emacs buffer getting out of sync, requiring me to restart it
2018-09-12 03:09:04	infinisil	"Just don't use TemplateHaskell" isn't a reasonable solution
2018-09-12 03:09:35	infinisil	I'm having almost 5 minutes startup time :/
2018-09-12 03:09:52	infinisil	I guess I should file a proper issue finally
2018-09-12 03:10:32	infinisil	Oh, I guess there's https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/743
2018-09-12 03:11:21	infinisil	Huh, why does the problem not occur with GHC 8.2.2?
2018-09-12 03:51:48	lukelau	infinisil: Does this happen when just running ghc-mod from the command line on the file?
2018-09-12 03:52:08	lukelau	Is there anything that needs to be done for ghc-8.6?
2018-09-12 03:52:23	lukelau	I see there’s some branches in ghc-mod and HaRe for it
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2018-09-12 18:38:55	wz1000	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/821
2018-09-12 18:39:17	wz1000	alanz, lukelau: maybe we could set up a few months of OSX CI
2018-09-12 18:41:40	jose_zap	not a bad idea
2018-09-12 18:42:16	jose_zap	although that problem is almost fixed by having travis. We just need the committee to enable it in the repo again
2018-09-12 18:46:56	wz1000	or maybe we could get hosting for a binary cache
2018-09-12 18:49:06	jose_zap	also a great idea
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2018-09-13 02:34:31	alanz	managing versions of submodules is a pain
2018-09-13 02:57:06	hexagoxel	alanz: is something about https://github.com/alanz/ghc-exactprint/pull/68 still up for discussion?
2018-09-13 02:57:41	alanz	hexagoxel, no, I forgot about it.
2018-09-13 02:57:48	hexagoxel	because if released, i'd want to put a corresponding lower bound on ghc-exactprint to brittany
2018-09-13 02:58:03	alanz	Will tackle it in the morning, about to go to bed
2018-09-13 02:58:25	hexagoxel	was half the reason i had not updated your request to fix the upper bound :)
2018-09-13 02:58:43	alanz	makes sense
2018-09-13 02:59:10	alanz	I just merged it, will make a release tomorrow.
2018-09-13 02:59:23	alanz	What should the version number be? 0.5.7.2?
2018-09-13 02:59:35	alanz	or 0.5.8
2018-09-13 03:00:33	alanz	hexagoxel, any idea?
2018-09-13 03:00:43	alanz	Will do 0.5.8, and see what happens
2018-09-13 03:01:57	hexagoxel	i think the PVP permits either. 0.5.8 looks good to me.
2018-09-13 03:03:26	alanz	That is what I am doing. Going to make a quick release
2018-09-13 03:04:39	hexagoxel	great
2018-09-13 03:08:42	alanz	http://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-exactprint-0.5.8.0
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2018-09-13 17:41:34	lukelau	wz1000 lukelau: Maybe we could take a look at the OS X containers that circleCI provide, I think they’re a paid subscription too!
2018-09-13 17:47:10	lukelau	wz1000 jose_zap: I’m thinking we can probably hookup travis CI/circleCI/appveyor to upload binaries to github releases
2018-09-13 17:47:50	jose_zap	definitely, that was my original intention with adding travis. I think a major roadblock for many wanting to try hie is that they have to compile it themselves
2018-09-13 17:48:22	jose_zap	I can add the deploy configuration to travis today and to appveyor as well
2018-09-13 17:48:30	jose_zap	I don't have experience with circleci
2018-09-13 17:49:44	jose_zap	lukelau you can maybe work on setting that up with circleci?
2018-09-13 17:50:50	lukelau	I think we already save binaries for circleCI, but I’m not really sho
2018-09-13 17:51:01	lukelau	*sure how binaries in linux land work
2018-09-13 17:51:08	lukelau	Is circleCI ubuntu?
2018-09-13 17:51:36	jose_zap	oh, true, that's not going to work for many
2018-09-13 17:51:58	jose_zap	a good first step is to look how to compile statically using an alpine docker image
2018-09-13 17:52:18	jose_zap	that's the most reliable way of distributing a static binary that will work in all linux distros
2018-09-13 17:54:28	lukelau	I just checked out that new docker image, looks like its debian: https://hub.docker.com/r/alanz/haskell-hie-ci/~/dockerfile/
2018-09-13 17:54:39	lukelau	Based off of https://quay.io/repository/haskell_works/stack-build-icu/manifest/sha256:a6ec385f67de96e94c0cf3339f14e8beaaf45447c5719058d7e75acc2e4c0f6a
2018-09-13 17:55:26	jose_zap	it will have to be alpine if we want to distribute truly static binaries
2018-09-13 17:55:52	jose_zap	sometimes you can get away with using debian/ubuntu, but it largely depends on what you link to
2018-09-13 17:56:18	jose_zap	in a large program like hie, I fear that we won't have that luxury
2018-09-13 18:09:11	lukelau	Is using alpine for static binaries specific to haskell or linux in general?
2018-09-13 18:23:18	jose_zap	specific to anything that links to the standard C library
2018-09-13 18:23:43	jose_zap	unless the language has support for not linking to it out of the box, like golang
2018-09-13 18:24:02	jose_zap	which implements an alternate standard library in go itself
2018-09-13 18:24:47	jose_zap	what's special about alppine is that it does not bundle glibc, but musl, an alternate c standard library that can be safely liked to statically
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2018-09-14 00:47:36	jose_zap	alanz lukelau I'm played a bit with the idea of the 100ms delay, it is quite promising!
2018-09-14 00:47:52	jose_zap	managed to make the fans quit in my laptop
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2018-09-14 00:56:21	alanz	nice
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2018-09-14 15:37:06	lukelau	jose_zap: Where abouts do you add the delay in? Is it in the dispatcher or when a textdocument did change notification is received?
2018-09-14 15:38:33	jose_zap	lukelau I played with it a bit more yesterday, I started in the dispatcher, but the gains are rare there, you need to type a lot really fast to see a difference. After more investigation, what needs to be debounced is the requestDiagnostics function. If we are able to debounce and cancel ongoing work that is going to be discarded then I think we can see a big difference
2018-09-14 15:38:54	jose_zap	the debouncer in the dispatcher was just not good enough
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2018-09-14 15:53:11	matheus23	alright
2018-09-14 15:53:12	matheus23	https://lpaste.net/5775459818764500992
2018-09-14 15:53:28	jose_zap	matheus23 hie does not work currently with cabal new-build
2018-09-14 15:53:32	matheus23	damn
2018-09-14 15:53:42	jose_zap	is using stack a viable choice for you?
2018-09-14 15:53:57	matheus23	not really :/
2018-09-14 15:54:44	jose_zap	can you please open a ticket about the wrapper problem and add that output? It would be also super helpful if you could modify the wrapper code and output the contents of the PATH env variable
2018-09-14 15:54:49	jose_zap	matheus23 ah, too bad :(
2018-09-14 15:55:10	matheus23	Hmm I'll try that jose_zap :)
2018-09-14 15:55:19	jose_zap	thanks
2018-09-14 15:59:16	matheus23	how do I build and run only hie-wrapper from the git repo? I've modified the executable with putStrLn =<< (getEnv "PATH")
2018-09-14 15:59:57	jose_zap	stack --stack-yaml=stack-8.4.3.yaml install
2018-09-14 16:05:43	matheus23	jose_zap: ok. printing my PATH also prints ":~/.local/bin"
2018-09-14 16:05:56	matheus23	amongst a lot of other stuff too :D
2018-09-14 16:06:05	matheus23	I'll look into how you start those executables
2018-09-14 16:06:21	jose_zap	I was thinking that maybe callProcess is somehow cleaering the environment before calling the exe
2018-09-14 16:08:03	jose_zap	hmm, disregard that
2018-09-14 16:08:05	matheus23	well the way I see it, it doesn't even get as far as that
2018-09-14 16:08:15	matheus23	where is "findExecutable" defined?
2018-09-14 16:08:17	jose_zap	it is using findExecutable... that should work
2018-09-14 16:08:39	jose_zap	System.Dyrectory
2018-09-14 16:08:48	jose_zap	Sytem.Directory
2018-09-14 16:10:00	matheus23	I just ran findExecutable "hie-8.4.3" in ghci outside of the project, and it returns Nothing
2018-09-14 16:10:11	matheus23	So the issue is not on your end
2018-09-14 16:10:32	jose_zap	interesting
2018-09-14 16:11:33	matheus23	hie is marked as executable ... hmm
2018-09-14 16:12:58	matheus23	I mean. I have ideas for a workaround, but I don't have a solution :(
2018-09-14 16:15:16	jose_zap	this is vey odd
2018-09-14 16:15:48	matheus23	it is. Is it worth an issue there? https://github.com/haskell/directory/issues
2018-09-14 16:16:05	matheus23	I'll dirty my hands on a quick workaround for now :)
2018-09-14 16:17:57	jose_zap	I'd say so
2018-09-14 16:31:05	matheus23	jose_zap: I have an idea. I think I know what it is
2018-09-14 16:31:15	matheus23	In my path I use the "~" syntax
2018-09-14 16:31:28	matheus23	My guess is that the directories package can't handle that
2018-09-14 16:31:32	matheus23	but bash can, of course
2018-09-14 16:32:50	matheus23	Yes. Thats it :)
2018-09-14 16:32:56	matheus23	well that was fun
2018-09-14 16:38:55	alanz	matheus23, hie-wrapper gets called from a shell script in the vscode plugin
2018-09-14 16:39:04	alanz	you can easily echo the path in that
2018-09-14 16:39:47	matheus23	alanz: I already figured it out. The path was correctly set
2018-09-14 16:40:10	matheus23	however, the path only included the string "~/.local/bin", which only shell languages understand (due to the "~")
2018-09-14 16:40:21	alanz	interesting
2018-09-14 16:40:24	matheus23	(correctly read*)
2018-09-14 16:40:50	alanz	I see my path has it expanded
2018-09-14 16:41:17	alanz	And I set it using $HOME
2018-09-14 16:41:46	matheus23	yes. This is how I fixed it for me also
2018-09-14 16:41:56	matheus23	I replaced every "~" in my path by reading $HOME
2018-09-14 16:42:11	alanz	ok
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2018-09-14 17:04:58	jose_zap	oh, that's good to know!
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2018-09-14 17:31:51	mpickering	Looks like rust now has simple refactoring built into the compiler
2018-09-14 17:34:04	mpickering	https://blog.rust-lang.org/2018/09/13/Rust-1.29.html
2018-09-14 17:43:18	jose_zap	nice
2018-09-14 18:10:36	hexagoxel	but that example is a bit confusing. a warning is exactly for patterns that are not plain errors, but indicate something the programmer might want to look at.
2018-09-14 18:11:30	hexagoxel	"_myvar" implies "i explicitly and knowingly ignore this variable". This is not something the compiler/cargo should be able to insert.
2018-09-14 18:13:25	hexagoxel	the tech behind this is neat though, and i am sure there are sensible use-cases.
2018-09-14 18:13:49	jose_zap	hamishmack seems like it is the other way around, it changes the variable name to ignore it, if it can detect it is not used
2018-09-14 18:14:05	hexagoxel	just.. disable the warning?
2018-09-14 18:14:18	jose_zap	fair point
2018-09-14 18:17:52	hexagoxel	it feels like a workaround to some strange social dynamic. company enforces -Wall cleanliness. programmer: let me just automate that. result: any advantage that warnings might have had is gone.
2018-09-14 18:25:51	hexagoxel	(well, not even workaround. it is just an effect of a strange social dynamic)
2018-09-14 18:26:11	hexagoxel	(and the net effect is even negative, because you lose information that previously still in the source)
2018-09-14 18:27:38	jose_zap	I can see how it can have a negative effect. Seems like the tool works without user interaction. It will potentially just mask bugs
2018-09-14 18:27:51	hexagoxel	exactly
2018-09-14 18:28:12	hexagoxel	and if you had just disabled the warning, you could still recover the information by re-enabling the warning at a later point
2018-09-14 18:28:25	hexagoxel	but if you "fixed" it, the information is gone
2018-09-14 18:41:49	hexagoxel	there are rewrites that have positive effects. for example automatically inserting a type-annotation to any occurrence of `unsafeCoerce` would prevent potential bugs in the future, without downside.
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2018-09-14 18:42:38	hexagoxel	(aka mem:transmute in rust, iirc)
2018-09-14 18:43:09	jose_zap	I wonder if this is part of the distinction of working vs correctly working. It seems like haskell favours the latter more often
2018-09-14 18:45:33	jose_zap	one very interesting thing to read is the linear types paper for haskell and see how rust reached for the obvious design choice vs. doing the research and discover the more correct one
2018-09-14 18:46:46	hexagoxel	maybe. but rust in general is as much about correctness as haskell is.
2018-09-14 18:47:07	hexagoxel	are you saying that lifetimes/borrowing are obvious, but not as correct?
2018-09-14 18:50:09	hexagoxel	i don't think that would be fair. they may be more derived from practical considerations, but as correct and useful as other abstractions.
2018-09-14 18:50:19	jose_zap	as explained in the paper, it seems like, at least for haskell treating data as a special thing that cannot be duplicated would have been the wrong design
2018-09-14 18:51:01	jose_zap	as it would complicate the type system perhaps to a point where it would even be impossible to implement
2018-09-14 18:51:14	hexagoxel	ah, sorry then. was to quick in my interpretation.
2018-09-14 18:57:29	jose_zap	hamishmack this comment is a great summary of what I tried to say: https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/111#issuecomment-415453406
2018-09-14 18:57:45	jose_zap	ah, it never autocompletes hexagoxel 
2018-09-14 19:20:55	hexagoxel	jose_zap: interesting. i have to admit i lack a clear picture of the differences of linear/uniqueness types and ownership in rust. are you aware of papers in that direction?
2018-09-14 19:24:23	jose_zap	I have just read random pieces here and there, but haven't found a paper on Rust's uniqueness types
2018-09-14 19:28:25	jose_zap	hexagoxel I had this bookmarked, this may help https://ac.els-cdn.com/S0304397505008522/1-s2.0-S0304397505008522-main.pdf?_tid=af15c78d-9817-474b-af21-14cffd6caebe&acdnat=1536933662_daeb48940f790bd8327c32ce58a74eeb
2018-09-14 19:30:13	hexagoxel	thanks
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2018-09-14 21:37:25	captjakk	If I wanted to start contributing to this project, how would I get started?
2018-09-14 21:46:02	jose_zap	hi captjakk thanks for your interest
2018-09-14 21:46:48	jose_zap	do you have any specific interests? We have a few tickets tagged with good-first-issue in github that you may tackle if you like
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2018-09-14 21:51:27	captjakk	I just want to help contribute to the "tooling" problem everyone complains about
2018-09-14 21:51:38	captjakk	I figured this was one of the best ways to do that
2018-09-14 21:51:53	jose_zap	captjakk want to start solving this one? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/826
2018-09-14 21:51:55	jose_zap	I can guide you
2018-09-14 22:02:19	captjakk	awesome
2018-09-14 22:02:29	captjakk	I'll see if I can try and do that this weekend
2018-09-14 22:02:34	captjakk	seems like a good first issue
2018-09-14 22:02:49	captjakk	I'll need to dig into how the autocomplete functionality works
2018-09-14 22:06:19	jose_zap	captjakk I have a simpler issue for you, but same kind of bug. That one is a bit of bigger complexity
2018-09-14 22:06:25	jose_zap	just writing the issue now
2018-09-14 22:06:32	captjakk	sweet!
2018-09-14 22:06:51	jose_zap	captjakk https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/828
2018-09-14 22:08:39	jose_zap	captjakk added a comment with the files you need to touch
2018-09-14 22:25:06	captjakk	thanks
2018-09-14 23:02:54	alanz	jose_zap, I am loving how you are managing things here, helping out. 
2018-09-14 23:03:08	jose_zap	thanks :)
2018-09-14 23:04:17	jose_zap	trying to encourage people to get on board
2018-09-14 23:06:28	alanz	I know, its great. Having a friendly person to guide helps a lot.
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2018-09-14 23:50:22	captjakk	additional thing that maybe just be my setup being wrong
2018-09-14 23:50:34	captjakk	but for whatever reason, "go to definition" in vs code is pretty broken
2018-09-14 23:51:31	captjakk	btw, I'm very willing to work on the vs code integration as well
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2018-09-14 23:57:59	jose_zap	captjakk broken how?
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2018-09-15 15:02:39	jose_zap	problem ahead, circleci is now showing a banner "Your current usage represents 982% of your haskell Linux plan's limit. Please upgrade in order to ensure no disruption in building."
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2018-09-15 16:28:06	alanz	jose_zap, that does appear from time to time
2018-09-15 16:28:17	alanz	But it seems to me that the builds continue
2018-09-15 16:28:43	alanz	e.g. https://circleci.com/gh/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/1642?utm_campaign=vcs-integration-link&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=github-build-link
2018-09-15 16:28:56	jose_zap	ah alright
2018-09-15 16:30:06	jose_zap	I just pushed a fix for ghc 8.2 to that branch
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2018-09-15 22:48:44	ktor	hi, I try to use hie-8.4.3 through hie-wrapper on vim8.1 (win10) without success (built hoogle db for my project and haddock for my project with stack), unfortunately none of the context functions work. For "textDocument/hover" I get "timed out waiting for channel", same for 
2018-09-15 22:49:12	ktor	"textDocument/formatting", what can I do to fix it ?
2018-09-15 22:53:48	ktor	I've built HIE from master branch, had problems building hie-0.1.0.0
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2018-09-15 23:12:49	jose_zap	can you start hie with logging?
2018-09-15 23:13:13	ktor	I did
2018-09-15 23:13:17	jose_zap	add -l /tmp/hie.log to the command vim uses and see what gets logged there
2018-09-15 23:13:33	jose_zap	can you bin the contents?
2018-09-15 23:13:40	ktor	sure
2018-09-15 23:21:48	ktor	jose_zap: https://pastebin.com/vMd16jUx
2018-09-15 23:23:57	ktor	jose_zap: thx for having a look
2018-09-15 23:26:00	jose_zap	yeah, something is odd there
2018-09-15 23:26:48	jose_zap	says that it is missing a halder somewhere, although I'm not sure what that means
2018-09-15 23:27:24	jose_zap	are you perhaps able to test with another editor and see if this is something that gets trggered by vim or is somethign related to how your project is setup
2018-09-15 23:27:30	ktor	jose_zap: all the commands without a response and as timeout in vim, response with non existing handler at least reports that sth is missing but hoover for example just sits there quiet without apparent problem
2018-09-15 23:27:31	jose_zap	are you using stack?
2018-09-15 23:27:34	ktor	yes
2018-09-15 23:28:32	ktor	jose_zap: im using stack and can test other editor, just need to setup that, I'll try with sublime
2018-09-15 23:29:13	jose_zap	alright, let me know
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2018-09-16 00:00:02	ktor	jose_zap: sublime goes to symbol in current file so at least that works, using the same hie-wrapper command as in vim
2018-09-16 00:00:33	jose_zap	anything not wrking in sublime?
2018-09-16 00:01:09	ktor	jose_zap: on error it is just quiet, no go to symbol on hover, no error highlight
2018-09-16 00:01:41	jose_zap	you mean when you make a type or parse error other features do not work?
2018-09-16 00:01:44	ktor	jose_zap: show diagnostics is empty
2018-09-16 00:02:02	jose_zap	ah ok, so you don't get the cause of the error
2018-09-16 00:02:41	jose_zap	if you try with a smaller new project, do you have the same problem? Maybe it is a windows related thing
2018-09-16 00:03:52	ktor	jose_zap: I'll try, one moment
2018-09-16 00:12:55	ktor	jose_zap: in new stack project in sublime 3 following features have a bug: LSP: Show Diagnostics is empty, LSP: Format Document isn't available from cmd + shift + p, errors reported by ghci aren't underlined in red
2018-09-16 00:13:06	ktor	jose_zap: what works: go to symbol
2018-09-16 00:14:16	ktor	jose_zap: I'll try vim on that new sample project
2018-09-16 00:14:29	jose_zap	can you please open a ticket with your findings whenever you have time?
2018-09-16 00:17:03	ktor	jose_zap: sure, will do that right now, separately for vim and sublime ?
2018-09-16 00:26:31	jose_zap	I think the issue is with hie itself, so create an issue in our repo. It is ok to describe how both editors work there
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2018-09-16 00:56:08	jose_zap	alanz I'm also starting to notice those problems after using master. Diagnostics stop working after the first report
2018-09-16 00:58:10	jose_zap	hmm, tricky to reproduce
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2018-09-16 02:28:00	ktor	jose_zap: I'll try once more with 7560e5ef96ac905a2b5e77f1894f49acbef1ad79, I've realized I don't really know which version of master was it, I've removed repo once it compiled
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2018-09-16 02:42:31	ktor	jose_zap: it works !
2018-09-16 02:42:36	jose_zap	oh sweet!
2018-09-16 02:42:40	ktor	jose_zap: thx for help m8 :)
2018-09-16 02:42:52	jose_zap	so you had an old version, that was it?
2018-09-16 02:42:58	jose_zap	no problem!
2018-09-16 02:43:56	ktor	jose_zap: I had a version from 10th of September, no sure, once compiled removed it all, was it no you and bug report I wouldn't even think about particular git version so thanks a lot :)
2018-09-16 02:44:33	jose_zap	nice, I'm glad I could help in some way
2018-09-16 02:53:18	ktor	jose_zap: vim works, sublime has a new problem though :)
2018-09-16 02:53:32	jose_zap	what is it?
2018-09-16 02:53:41	ktor	https://pastebin.com/5kZe6VPy
2018-09-16 02:57:45	jose_zap	no sure what that means, does not seem related to hie
2018-09-16 02:58:00	ktor	jose_zap: I've just notices hie remembers git hash from which it was build, neat :)
2018-09-16 03:38:01	hexagoxel	ktor: courtesy of gitrev :)
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2018-09-17 00:01:38	matheus23	hi! I'm tinkering with haskell-lsp: However, when reporting diagnostics, I'm generating errors in the VSCode console. VSCode complains that the URI of the diagnostic doesn't include a "schema" (its "schema" value is "")
2018-09-17 00:02:33	matheus23	Since URIs are just pieced together by the Uri :: Text -> Uri, how can I provide the diagnostic with a schema value?
2018-09-17 00:03:28	matheus23	sorry, "scheme", not "schema"
2018-09-17 00:06:05	alanz	matheus23, we generally use "file:///home/foo/project/file.ext"
2018-09-17 00:06:25	matheus23	oof ok thank you
2018-09-17 00:06:43	alanz	and there are some worker functions (possibly only in HIE to go from file to Uri and back)
2018-09-17 00:07:00	alanz	Which we should possibly move to haskell-lsp
2018-09-17 00:08:07	matheus23	alanz: Thank you so much. This caused a little headache, yeah. But it works now! :)
2018-09-17 00:08:25	alanz	great
2018-09-17 00:08:46	matheus23	Interestingly vscode still shows the file correctly in the "Problems" pane when the "file://" prefix is not present
2018-09-17 00:31:53	alanz	ok
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2018-09-17 03:10:40	matheus23	alanz: regarding our discussion earlier: All good! "filePathToUri" is exposed in Language.Haskell.LSP.Types: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp-types-0.8.0.0/docs/Language-Haskell-LSP-Types.html#v:filePathToUri
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2018-09-17 19:20:52	JoseZap	alanz is the idea of cancelling requests in the dispatcher something that is planned for the future or a feature that got broken at some point? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Dispatcher.hs#L149
2018-09-17 19:23:41	alanz	JoseZap, it is something that should be in place and working already
2018-09-17 19:23:49	alanz	And needs to stay
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2018-09-17 19:25:04	JoseZap	alanz ok, because I don't think it is working
2018-09-17 19:25:49	alanz	We actually need to make a test for that
2018-09-17 19:27:54	JoseZap	alanz if you grep in thr project for "cancelReqsTVar" you see that the it is never inserted to
2018-09-17 19:28:05	JoseZap	the only operation on that is just deleting from it
2018-09-17 19:28:28	JoseZap	how is the feature supposed to work? Maybe I can help fixing it
2018-09-17 19:29:58	alanz	we get a message from the client canceling a request, we cancel it if it is still in the queue. I.e. delete it
2018-09-17 19:29:59	alanz	:)
2018-09-17 19:31:10	JoseZap	alanz that's NotCancelRequestFromClient ?
2018-09-17 19:31:24	alanz	See https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/gh-pages/specification.md#-notifications-and-requests
2018-09-17 19:31:28	alanz	yes
2018-09-17 19:34:23	JoseZap	ok, I can work on that
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2018-09-17 21:24:51	captjakk	@jose_zap I can't really do a jump to definition for anything that was in a library. After some cursory research that seems like it should be obvious since all of these things are compiled, but for some reason I feel like I used to have it working.
2018-09-17 21:25:04	captjakk	It might have something to do with tags
2018-09-17 21:25:18	captjakk	possibly also a haddock build is required?
2018-09-17 21:26:03	JoseZap	you can use the get definition (hover) and if you have hadock we also provide a link to the local docs
2018-09-17 21:26:09	JoseZap	which contain the source
2018-09-17 21:26:30	JoseZap	in vscode is presented very neatly as a side panel you can browse and discover more
2018-09-17 21:34:54	JoseZap	bbl
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2018-09-18 04:21:44	lukelau	JoseZap: It get’s written to but inside lspstdio, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/5d1d825880196eddbca4b1d12a60713f247c2a64/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs#L745-L752
2018-09-18 04:22:12	lukelau	This is another reason for that ticket to refactor the dispatch stuff out of lspstdio
2018-09-18 04:22:35	lukelau	That raw tvar probably shouldn’t be exposed outside of that module
2018-09-18 04:23:56	lukelau	Also managed to get some macos binaries on travis-ci: https://travis-ci.com/bubba/haskell-ide-engine/builds/85027033
2018-09-18 04:24:16	lukelau	https://github.com/bubba/haskell-ide-engine/releases/tag/test-tag-8
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2018-09-18 19:49:37	lukelau	jose_zap: Hi, not sure if you saw my messages yesterday
2018-09-18 19:49:52	lukelau	lukelau: JoseZap: It get’s written to but inside lspstdio, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/5d1d825880196eddbca4b1d12a60713f247c2a64/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs#L745-L752
2018-09-18 19:49:52	lukelau	[11:52pm] lukelau: This is another reason for that ticket to refactor the dispatch stuff out of lspstdio
2018-09-18 19:49:53	lukelau	[11:52pm] lukelau: That raw tvar probably shouldn’t be exposed outside of that module
2018-09-18 19:51:42	jose_zap	lukelau oh, I see now
2018-09-18 19:51:56	jose_zap	I could not understand how that was working before. Thanks!
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2018-09-18 20:34:58	lukelau	jose_zap: Also I’ve been setting up deployment to github releases: https://travis-ci.com/bubba/haskell-ide-engine/jobs/146415263
2018-09-18 20:35:15	lukelau	https://github.com/bubba/haskell-ide-engine/releases/tag/test-tag-8
2018-09-18 20:37:15	jose_zap	that's awesome
2018-09-18 20:37:27	jose_zap	just need to name the baniaries toindicate that they are meant for osx
2018-09-18 20:37:36	jose_zap	was it difficult to get right?
2018-09-18 20:56:45	lukelau	jose_zap: yeah, I’m thinking we could maybe make a .pkg installer too to move them into the right place
2018-09-18 20:57:11	lukelau	I had to create a test repository to set it all up, debugging it while building actual hie takes far too long
2018-09-18 21:04:17	jose_zap	that's a great idea, if we can automate it
2018-09-18 21:05:55	jose_zap	lukelau I saw that you removed the stages out of the travis build, are you planning on putting them back?
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2018-09-19 18:43:31	matheus23	Hi alanz again! I noticed haskell-lsp has a dependency on "unix". This makes it impossible to build it for windows. Is it possible to get rid of that dependency? Is there maybe even some effort already to replace it? Or is it infeasable?
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2018-09-19 20:50:15	lukelau	jose_zap: I wanted to use stages but you can’t share files between them
2018-09-19 20:50:42	lukelau	There’s a travis CI doc that recommends using amazon s3 to share binaries to the next stage for deployment, we could look into that
2018-09-19 20:50:49	jose_zap	I think you can, there is at least one example in their docs showing how to use a s3 bucket for sharing
2018-09-19 20:51:24	jose_zap	another trick is to make the releases folder part of the cache, that way you get sharing for free
2018-09-19 21:00:23	lukelau	Hmm maybe it would work with the latter
2018-09-19 21:00:39	lukelau	I’m trying to figure out how to install liquid (efficiently) at the moment
2018-09-19 21:00:51	lukelau	It’s easiest to just install it from source, but then it can’t be cached
2018-09-19 21:01:08	lukelau	If we want to install it via cabal we need to do it with ghc-8.2.2
2018-09-19 21:01:25	lukelau	So I’ll need to figure out how to install an older version of ghc first
2018-09-19 21:03:04	jose_zap	lukelau what about also caching the liquid binary and guarding the installation step with a "if not file exists" ?
2018-09-19 21:03:14	jose_zap	I think I was doing that for the stack binary at least
2018-09-19 21:03:15	lukelau	That’s what I’m doing at the moment
2018-09-19 21:03:35	lukelau	But when you install liquid from source it looks for some files at runtime from the .stack-work directory
2018-09-19 21:03:40	lukelau	That it was built from
2018-09-19 21:03:46	lukelau	It’s very strange
2018-09-19 21:04:15	jose_zap	can we pre-build the binaries and download them from a known place?
2018-09-19 21:05:07	lukelau	Hmm I could just upload a binary for it somewhere
2018-09-19 21:05:10	lukelau	Compiled from my machine
2018-09-19 21:07:09	jose_zap	yeah, sounds like a good stopgap
2018-09-19 21:19:30	jose_zap	lukelau do you mind reading my comment here and tell me what you think? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/835
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2018-09-20 15:13:51	mpickering	has anyone else observed that hie seems to leak fds? There are 1554 open file descriptors on my system which is the most of any process
2018-09-20 15:53:54	lukelau	mpickering: Mind filing an issue for that?
2018-09-20 15:54:46	mpickering	I'm not using hie at all really so that's the whole bug report
2018-09-20 15:54:57	mpickering	I don't actually know why it was running at all haha
2018-09-20 15:55:59	lukelau	Uh oh
2018-09-20 15:56:29	lukelau	I’ve had problems with vs code leaving behind “ghost” servers
2018-09-20 15:56:44	lukelau	Sometimes it spins up two hies when it loads and then only kills one
2018-09-20 15:56:49	mpickering	I was only looking because another haskell process was leaking file descriptors 
2018-09-20 15:57:19	mpickering	I suppose it will happen again, so when it does I will take a dump of the list of fds it has and make a bug report
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2018-09-20 19:51:11	lukelau	jose_zap: https://travis-ci.com/bubba/haskell-ide-engine/builds/85426739
2018-09-20 19:51:26	lukelau	I think it will just be easiest to compile it on the CI and then cache it
2018-09-20 19:51:48	lukelau	I’m also now thinking, if we use a .pkg we will be available via homebrew cask
2018-09-20 19:52:23	lukelau	And hopefully we won’t run into any more caveats like with the last PR
2018-09-20 19:52:28	jose_zap	do they accept that? Or are you required to compile from source in homebrew?
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2018-09-20 19:53:49	jose_zap	lukelau how did you manage to not go over the maximum build time when building hie?
2018-09-20 20:01:15	lukelau	jose_zap: No idea
2018-09-20 20:01:21	lukelau	I think I may have had an education plan
2018-09-20 20:01:24	lukelau	Let me check
2018-09-20 20:01:35	lukelau	oh wait what
2018-09-20 20:01:40	lukelau	I have only 85 trail builds left
2018-09-20 20:02:13	lukelau	But I have an “education” badge beside my profile, not sure if that makes a difference
2018-09-20 20:02:25	jose_zap	ok, that explans it.
2018-09-20 20:02:34	jose_zap	too bad that you have few builds left
2018-09-20 20:03:47	jose_zap	unless we pay for it, we will need to use the stages to build hie as a way to work around the time limit problem
2018-09-20 20:04:35	lukelau	I think that’s only for private repositories
2018-09-20 20:05:00	jose_zap	no, you can definitely pay for public repos too
2018-09-20 20:05:09	lukelau	Oh to avoid the time limit?
2018-09-20 20:05:09	jose_zap	the account is attached to the org, not to a rpo
2018-09-20 20:05:12	jose_zap	yeah
2018-09-20 20:05:14	lukelau	I see
2018-09-20 20:05:51	lukelau	I have a completely cached build here
2018-09-20 20:05:51	lukelau	https://travis-ci.com/bubba/haskell-ide-engine/builds/85435710
2018-09-20 20:05:58	lukelau	Looks like it’ll take < 20 mins
2018-09-20 20:06:01	lukelau	Per job
2018-09-20 20:11:08	jose_zap	yeah, the problem is getting to the cache to be stored
2018-09-20 20:11:17	jose_zap	you got the cache stored in a build that took 1.5 hours
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2018-09-20 20:25:50	lukelau	The cache is humongous too, its showing up as 8 GB on my account
2018-09-20 20:26:37	jose_zap	yeah, it will definitely be big
2018-09-20 20:27:21	jose_zap	it is also 8GB currently for the main repo
2018-09-20 20:27:24	jose_zap	https://travis-ci.org/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/caches
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2018-09-20 21:38:01	matheus23	I missed much of your conversation about CI ,but gitlab has free CI :)
2018-09-20 21:38:21	jose_zap	but no osx support
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2018-09-21 00:02:52	matheus23	OT: Can someone explain versioned text document identifiers from the LSP to me? :S https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specification#versionedtextdocumentidentifier
2018-09-21 00:03:31	matheus23	When I publish diagnostics I have to send them. When should I increase the version though?
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2018-09-21 02:05:30	alanz	matheus23, the client generates and sends versions, the diagnostics either leave it out or pass back what they worked against
2018-09-21 02:05:48	alanz	so the the server the version is a given
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2018-09-21 18:57:57	lukelau	matheus23: The specification doesn’t make it very clear as to wether or not the version only needs to be incremented for every change in a request, e.g. [1,2,3],[1,2,3] or be persistent [1,2,3],[4,5,6]
2018-09-21 18:58:45	matheus23	what exactly do you mean by request?
2018-09-21 18:59:28	matheus23	for me, a request is simply one RPC or something similar. Is that what you mean?
2018-09-21 18:59:51	lukelau	I mean more per each WorkspaceEdit
2018-09-21 19:00:06	Taneb	I'm playing around with haskell IDE engine, is there a way to make the go to definition work between packages (in VS code)?
2018-09-21 19:00:14	Taneb	If I have one package that depends on another
2018-09-21 19:00:15	lukelau	SInce a workspaceedit can contain multiple TextDocumentEdits
2018-09-21 19:00:29	lukelau	Taneb: Look around in `HieExtras.hs`
2018-09-21 19:01:05	matheus23	lukelau: I see! thanks!
2018-09-21 19:01:26	lukelau	The implementation for definition stuff is there, and I think we support jumping to definitions in other modules in the same package, not sure how exactly we do it though
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2018-09-21 20:11:15	jose_zap	alanz are you around? I'd like to understand you idea of having a scheduler in hie and see if I can implement it
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2018-09-21 20:53:39	alanz	jose_zap, I am now. Been a bit scarce recently
2018-09-21 20:54:12	jose_zap	no worries
2018-09-21 20:54:23	jose_zap	do you have time to talk about it?
2018-09-21 20:56:39	alanz	Yes.
2018-09-21 20:57:10	alanz	My view is that basically we have a distributed scheduler at the moment, and we should make it a first class citizen
2018-09-21 20:57:33	alanz	So we push things into it from the reactor, via a TChan, as now. But with no TVars
2018-09-21 20:58:18	alanz	The scheduler then keeps track of state, and when the worker is ready for some new work, it evaluates the ready queue and gives it something
2018-09-21 20:59:01	alanz	So I guess we keep the queue on the front, and turn the actual dispatcher into something that calls back to the dispatcher to get a piece of work, possibly blocking
2018-09-21 20:59:08	alanz	Does that make sense?
2018-09-21 20:59:46	alanz	The main point is to make it explicit, and that the scheduler can then use whatever knowledge of the environment to decide on the next task
2018-09-21 21:00:14	alanz	And makes it easy to cancel things, make sure that the latest document version is compiled, that sort of thing
2018-09-21 21:11:28	jose_zap	sorry, got a call
2018-09-21 21:11:29	jose_zap	reading now
2018-09-21 21:11:58	alanz	no problem
2018-09-21 21:13:16	jose_zap	alanz so, we would have a Ractor a Dispatcher and a Scheduler? The change would be that requests from the Reactor to the dispatcher first have to come through the scheduler, which will eventually actually dispatch them?
2018-09-21 21:14:20	alanz	Effectively. The meat of the dispatcher would move into the scheduler, and it would just become a thing that asks for work and then does it
2018-09-21 21:15:14	alanz	it could still be in the dispatcher, the main thing is that when deciding on the next job to do it must ask something to evaluate the ready queue as it is at that point in time.
2018-09-21 21:15:51	alanz	so e.g. the ghcDispatcher channel would have to go away, when it was ready to do something it must ask
2018-09-21 21:16:18	alanz	it comes down to pushing the decision-making as late as possible, so all possible information can be used to make the decision
2018-09-21 21:16:57	jose_zap	I see
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2018-09-21 21:17:44	alanz	does that make sense?
2018-09-21 21:17:51	jose_zap	"when it was ready to do something it must ask" that means a loop waiting on channel messages
2018-09-21 21:18:02	alanz	the exact architecture is unimportant, late decision making is the thing
2018-09-21 21:18:20	jose_zap	would it make sense to instead of doing that, spawn an async task? That way it would be possible to also cancel the task if requested or necessary
2018-09-21 21:18:27	alanz	well, if there is a message already in the channel then the decision was already made
2018-09-21 21:18:50	alanz	the "ask" process must trigger an evaluation of the ready queue, to produce the next thing to do
2018-09-21 21:19:11	alanz	what would that gain us?
2018-09-21 21:19:24	alanz	apart from runaway CPU
2018-09-21 21:19:42	alanz	and the ghc session is inherently single threaded (per the entire process)
2018-09-21 21:19:47	jose_zap	my point is, if the task takes long enough that its work becomes unneeded, maybe it would be good to abort anyway
2018-09-21 21:20:28	jose_zap	my hunch is that even with the debouncing, we are requesting diagnostics too often. The results of each of those calls become quickly obsolete
2018-09-21 21:20:54	alanz	we need to be able to experiment with it
2018-09-21 21:21:02	jose_zap	right
2018-09-21 21:21:13	alanz	and killing a ghc session mid-way through could have weird side-effects
2018-09-21 21:21:24	jose_zap	yeah, I was fearing you would say that
2018-09-21 21:21:44	alanz	especially as it can potentially trigger ghc-mod to call cabal-helper which may invoke a stack process ...
2018-09-21 21:22:06	alanz	And interrupting is something we should consider, some time
2018-09-21 21:22:25	alanz	but I think having a solid scheduler is a necessary first step
2018-09-21 21:23:25	jose_zap	I think this all makes sense to me. Will work on it this sunday, if that's ok
2018-09-21 21:23:35	alanz	There is no rush, I think
2018-09-21 21:23:55	alanz	And I need to go afk for a bit, will be back later
2018-09-21 21:23:57	jose_zap	more like if no one else was thinking of implementing this already
2018-09-21 21:24:03	jose_zap	see you around :)
2018-09-21 21:24:20	alanz	I don't think it is on any urgent todo list, it is just cleaning things up
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2018-09-22 19:29:16	i-am-the-slime	Hello
2018-09-22 19:29:43	i-am-the-slime	How would I get Atom to add something to the import list of the current file?
2018-09-22 19:30:27	i-am-the-slime	When I hover over it, it says: ghc-mod xyz not in scope.
2018-09-22 19:30:30	i-am-the-slime	That's a good start!
2018-09-22 19:35:24	lukelau	i-am-the-slime: Have you generated the hoogle database?
2018-09-22 19:43:08	i-am-the-slime	I think so
2018-09-22 19:49:54	lukelau	If the function is searchable via hoogle then it should show up as a code action
2018-09-22 19:50:03	lukelau	I’ve not tried it on Atom though
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2018-09-22 19:57:13	i-am-the-slime	Hmm. It seems that I could get that with ghc-mod
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2018-09-22 21:27:37	lukelau	i-am-the-slime: What exactly is the diagnostic message that it gives you?
2018-09-22 21:54:37	i-am-the-slime	When I do what?
2018-09-22 21:54:57	i-am-the-slime	lukelau: I don't really see any diagnostic message. I am just wondering how to import a function by name.
2018-09-22 21:55:16	i-am-the-slime	Not in scope: Type constructor or class 'MyBoy"
2018-09-22 21:55:36	lukelau	Ah is it from your own module?
2018-09-22 21:55:39	lukelau	Or package?
2018-09-22 21:55:56	lukelau	Unfortunately we don’t provide imports for local constructors and functions
2018-09-22 21:56:11	lukelau	It would definitely be something nice to have though
2018-09-22 21:57:12	i-am-the-slime	Yes from my own.
2018-09-22 21:57:34	i-am-the-slime	How do you find them?
2018-09-22 21:57:39	i-am-the-slime	With hoogle or ghc-mod?
2018-09-22 22:19:45	i-am-the-slime	Is there an easy way to "talk" to an hie server from the command line or better yet something like postman or a GUI?
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2018-09-23 00:03:37	i-am-the-slime	I thought that there might be a way to get the current project into hoogle but I am failing
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2018-09-24 00:18:40	lukelau	alanz jose_zap: I’m giving an intro to Haskell talk on Tuesday, do you guys have anything that I should mention during it?
2018-09-24 00:19:00	lukelau	I believe it’s aimed at students with prior imperative programming experience
2018-09-24 00:19:36	alanz	I think show them how easy it is to use, without having to know a ton of theory
2018-09-24 00:19:43	jose_zap	is it just a talk or is it more hands-on?
2018-09-24 00:20:01	lukelau	Hopefully both, I have slides but will have GHCI open in another window
2018-09-24 00:20:52	jose_zap	I tend to introduce haskell by using the turtle package. Almost everyone is familiar with bash scripting, and turtle makes it nice to show how to write haskell without first introducing type annotations
2018-09-24 00:21:04	alanz	sounds good. I think gabriel gonzalez might have some entry-level material he put together for onboarding people where he is
2018-09-24 00:21:06	lukelau	I’ll take a look at it
2018-09-24 00:21:12	alanz	but it might be more about nix
2018-09-24 00:21:23	alanz	I know the turtle shell tutorial is a good intro
2018-09-24 00:21:25	alanz	or can be
2018-09-24 00:21:28	lukelau	I’m wondering if I should cover the ecosystem a little bit as well
2018-09-24 00:21:32	lukelau	Like cabal and stack
2018-09-24 00:21:38	jose_zap	it has a good tutorial: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/turtle-1.5.11/docs/Turtle-Tutorial.html
2018-09-24 00:21:43	alanz	it will just confuse them
2018-09-24 00:21:54	lukelau	It confuses us 😛
2018-09-24 00:22:13	jose_zap	better just stick with stack for the time being, it is more beginner friendly
2018-09-24 00:22:15	alanz	for beginners, just tell them to use stack, it is more likely to lead to a positive initial experience
2018-09-24 00:22:59	jose_zap	also you can sue stack to execute turtle scripts without compiling, which makes haskell feel like a viable solution for replacing bash or python scrupts
2018-09-24 00:23:42	lukelau	Are there also any good explanations about IO without necessarily diving all the way into Monads?
2018-09-24 00:24:04	alanz	I would just say it is a way of tagging functions that do io
2018-09-24 00:24:08	alanz	like const in c++
2018-09-24 00:24:26	lukelau	Ok
2018-09-24 00:25:22	jose_zap	I also explain it in a similar way, specially when I have to type liftIO, I say that I need to "mark" the function as "this is going to do IO"
2018-09-24 00:25:44	alanz	And I find saying something like "a <- doIothing x" is "run doIoThing x and get its result.
2018-09-24 00:26:03	alanz	otherwise it is just a description, you have to run it to get the effect
2018-09-24 00:26:30	lukelau	I have a couple of slides explaining purity, I’m thinking of segueing it into explaining how IO is needed to get the side effects
2018-09-24 00:26:59	alanz	I generally say that it is all pure stuff, which is a *description* of a computation
2018-09-24 00:27:14	alanz	then you have to execute something to get the computation to actually run
2018-09-24 00:27:33	alanz	and the way you trigger it is with <- (or >>= and friends)
2018-09-24 00:29:35	jose_zap	lukelau if it gets difficult to explain, you can resort to the idea of a "callback"
2018-09-24 00:29:56	jose_zap	IO can be seen as a callback, that needs to be run to execute the code inside
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2018-09-25 00:39:06	alanz	lukelau, FYI https://mmhaskell.com/blog/2018/8/27/common-but-not-so-common-monads
2018-09-25 00:42:51	lukelau	alanz: reading
2018-09-25 00:43:30	alanz	kind of touches on that thing of the <- I mentioned yesterday
2018-09-25 00:46:02	lukelau	I’d love to show the function monad, that would certainly cause some heads to explode
2018-09-25 00:47:31	alanz	yes, I still tread gingerly around that one, myself
2018-09-25 00:57:12	lukelau	Is it accurate to describe a monad as something with context that can be sequenced?
2018-09-25 01:00:11	alanz	sequenced and composed, I would say
2018-09-25 01:00:55	alanz	but the main thing that a monad has over applicative is you can inspect the result and take decisions on it. ie. sequencing
2018-09-25 01:01:15	alanz	(in my intuitive handwavy world, may be competely off base)
2018-09-25 01:24:34	lukelau	Here’s what I have so far if you’re interested
2018-09-25 01:25:29	lukelau	Should I show the Monad class and how >>= builds up to do notation?
2018-09-25 01:27:34	alanz	It depends how much time you have, and what you are trying to show. I would leave it out, unless it has to be in
2018-09-25 01:27:58	alanz	ie if you are just doing a taste of haskell, leave it out, show what actual code looks like
2018-09-25 01:28:33	alanz	and try to not even mention monad, if you can.  Or just wave your hands at it being a way of sequencing stuff
2018-09-25 01:28:53	alanz	it depends on the audience, the time, and the intention, at the end of the day
2018-09-25 01:29:02	lukelau	Yeah, I’ve just left it as the last part, hopefully it will encourage people to go home and read more up on it
2018-09-25 01:29:04	lukelau	To fully grok it
2018-09-25 01:30:19	lukelau	This talk aims to be a primer to gain some interest in Haskell for your talk :)
2018-09-25 01:37:32	alanz	you did not post a link to anything?
2018-09-25 01:37:45	alanz	nice, is that on?
2018-09-25 01:42:17	lukelau	Woops
2018-09-25 01:42:18	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/bubba/4dda1021beb3aa0bb03a9a787e5fcec3
2018-09-25 01:42:20	lukelau	Also woops
2018-09-25 01:42:21	lukelau	Wrong like
2018-09-25 01:42:23	lukelau	*link
2018-09-25 01:42:38	lukelau	https://www.icloud.com/keynote/0iD27proqwvTk5X6Uvd8qZh7g#Intro_to_Haskell
2018-09-25 01:43:54	lukelau	The society would love to have you if you’re still available, but we haven’t set any dates or anything so far so there’s no pressure if you turn out to busy etc.
2018-09-25 01:57:00	alanz	ok, that is fine, I am happy to do it, do not have any firm plans (at this stage).
2018-09-25 01:57:20	alanz	So if you give me your preferred days/times, I am sure I can work around it. 
2018-09-25 02:07:54	alanz	slide 5 : bar x y = foo x - y does not seem to match it's signature?
2018-09-25 02:08:08	alanz	nvm
2018-09-25 02:08:14	alanz	just adding parens to it
2018-09-25 02:10:38	lukelau	Nice catch, will add them now
2018-09-25 02:20:32	lukelau	jose_zap: I’ve ran into that problem with the build timing out
2018-09-25 02:20:45	lukelau	Looks like caches don’t get carried over between build stages
2018-09-25 02:20:59	jose_zap	 mmm, they are
2018-09-25 02:21:20	jose_zap	otherwise it would recompile stuff from one stage to the other
2018-09-25 02:21:24	lukelau	Hmmm maybe its just the cache for the environment variable
2018-09-25 02:21:25	lukelau	https://travis-ci.com/bubba/haskell-ide-engine/builds/85451137
2018-09-25 02:21:29	lukelau	Ah I think thats probably it
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2018-09-25 02:21:52	lukelau	I edited the deploy stage to call make build
2018-09-25 02:22:11	lukelau	But it doesn’t pick up the 8.2.2 cache anyway, probably because the ghc env var is set to 8.4.3
2018-09-25 02:22:36	jose_zap	do you need caches form other versions?
2018-09-25 02:23:04	lukelau	That was what I was hoping for yes
2018-09-25 02:23:22	jose_zap	what for?
2018-09-25 02:23:39	jose_zap	you can have a many deployment stages as you may need, just upload a different binary from each stage
2018-09-25 02:25:16	lukelau	My plan is to tarball them all into one file though
2018-09-25 02:25:57	lukelau	Which is making things a major pain
2018-09-25 02:26:40	lukelau	Using amazon s3 is looking tempting now, I have some free education credits for aws but I’m not sure if its a reliable thing to do in the long run
2018-09-25 02:27:44	jose_zap	probably not
2018-09-25 02:27:56	jose_zap	what's wrong with uploading one by one?
2018-09-25 02:28:45	lukelau	It would be nice for the user to be able to download just one file that can be expanded containing all the hie-8.x + hie-wrapper binaries, rather than having to download them individually
2018-09-25 02:28:58	lukelau	But uploading them individually is probably a good first step
2018-09-25 02:34:48	jose_zap	lukelau perhaps we could point them to a script that does the downloading for them?
2018-09-25 02:35:07	jose_zap	like a `curl some_url | sh` kind of thing
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2018-09-25 02:36:17	lukelau	I’m also thinking we could probably use the octokit API to take the individual binaries, tar them and then replace them with that tar
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2018-09-25 02:40:45	lukelau	jose_zap: I made a PR for it, do you want to split this build up into further job stages?
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2018-09-25 02:41:44	jose_zap	yeah, I think going back to waht we had and combining it with your stuff would be ideal
2018-09-25 02:41:59	jose_zap	we need the multuple stages to avoid the 50 minutes time limit
2018-09-25 02:42:26	jose_zap	lukelau can you like to that octokit thing you mentioned?
2018-09-25 02:43:13	lukelau	https://octokit.github.io/octokit.rb/Octokit/Client/Releases.html#create_release-instance_method
2018-09-25 02:43:48	lukelau	There’s a bunch of stuff here for creating and deleting releases
2018-09-25 02:44:10	lukelau	We could use github releases as the temporary storage
2018-09-25 02:44:14	lukelau	Not sure how frowned upon that is
2018-09-25 02:45:07	jose_zap	that would be confusing at least
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2018-09-26 17:39:00	teto	I suppose  textDocument_definition  is not implemented yet ?
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2018-09-27 02:47:48	lukelau	teto: It should be implemented
2018-09-27 02:48:11	lukelau	I don’t think textDocument_implenentation or _typeDefinition are implemented though
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2018-09-27 21:41:06	lukelau	Ah we do in the plugin API
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2018-10-02 22:19:53	kmelva	quick thanks to everyone working on HIE! after a bit of work and nuking my VScode/stack setup - everything's working fine and dandy!
2018-10-02 23:12:25	lukelau	kmelva: :)
2018-10-02 23:20:54	hexagoxel	i had to revise the multistate base dependency again, because it does not compile with the released 8.6.1. it worked with the alpha. i am now enabling -Wcompat to prevent this in the future and will release a new version to make brittany have a build-plan with 8.6 again soon.
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2018-10-05 23:52:43	alanz	lukelau, why do we have SymbolProvider? Is more than one plugin ever likely to provide symbols?
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2018-10-06 07:13:11	kmelva	All of a sudden HIE in VSCode stopped working. Any ideas how to debug? I think I only did `stack build ghcid` before it stopped working
2018-10-06 07:13:46	kmelva	In the bottom panel I do get `hie: user error (Failed to find requested hint files: /home/$USER/.local/bin/data/hlint.yaml)`
2018-10-06 08:05:16	lukelau	alanz: Probably not, would liquid be able to take advantage of it?
2018-10-06 08:06:28	lukelau	kmelva: Have you tried running `touch /home/$USER/.local/bin/data/hlint.yaml`
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2018-10-06 08:06:47	lukelau	Sometimes hlint complains about the file not existing, but having an empty one seems to remedy it
2018-10-06 08:10:51	kmelva	lukelau: I thinkg the problem was I moved the directory from which I built HIE
2018-10-06 08:11:33	kmelva	well, I'm 99% that's the problem... it's just that it wasn't immediately obvious :)
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2018-10-07 10:38:19	oforero	Hello
2018-10-07 10:38:36	oforero	I managed to install hie on OSX mojave
2018-10-07 10:38:52	oforero	first, I just want to say thanks
2018-10-07 10:39:01	oforero	it seems that most things are working
2018-10-07 10:39:41	oforero	I am wondering if someone could point me to a user guide for HIE with neovim
2018-10-07 10:39:56	oforero	how is the autocompletition triggered?
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2018-10-07 20:59:46	lukelau	alanz: Do you know what the story is with getting travis ci enabled for the repo?
2018-10-07 20:59:54	lukelau	*the status
2018-10-07 21:49:24	alanz	no, I thought it was enabled? I recall getting a mail from the committee about it, let me check
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2018-10-07 22:06:44	lukelau	There should be a job running for travis for each PR if its enabled right?
2018-10-07 22:07:02	lukelau	Maybe it is running but just not showing up on github
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2018-10-07 22:32:36	alanz	oops, I got sidetracked, family interruption
2018-10-07 22:34:01	alanz	And it seems I was supposed to do something. I am confused though, because travis was our original CI engine
2018-10-07 23:45:24	alanz	28 slides plus a demo, for 35 mins. Going to be tight
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2018-10-08 01:21:58	lukelau	alanz: what are you covering in your slides?
2018-10-08 01:24:09	alanz	I will share it with you, hold on. Basic what is it, how does it work, how do plugins work, jump in and help
2018-10-08 01:24:28	alanz	Busy wrapping my brain around the right things to demo right now.
2018-10-08 01:26:23	alanz	shared. Let me know if I need to send a bare link instead, that one needs a gmail account.
2018-10-08 01:26:26	alanz	lukelau, ^^^
2018-10-08 01:26:33	lukelau	Thanks, reading the slides now
2018-10-08 01:27:05	alanz	You need to text that goes with it too, I guess I should put that somewhere too. It is incomplete though, atm
2018-10-08 01:27:18	alanz	And this thing is still a work in progress.
2018-10-08 01:27:55	lukelau	What client will the demo be from?
2018-10-08 01:29:07	alanz	vscode and emacs
2018-10-08 01:30:02	alanz	Busy mucking with the auto-import, auto-completion stuff
2018-10-08 01:30:20	alanz	And realised it only completes from deps in the cabal file. Which is great.
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2018-10-08 01:52:24	lukelau	The slides are great, they cover pretty much everything
2018-10-08 01:52:48	lukelau	Is the auto-import the code action thing?
2018-10-08 01:52:57	lukelau	It should be picking the results up from hoogle
2018-10-08 01:57:44	alanz	I think it uses hsimport first, then hoogle
2018-10-08 01:58:02	alanz	but it did not offer Data.Map until I added containers to the deps
2018-10-08 01:58:52	alanz	The intention of the talk is to give a "what is it" to most people, and "aha" to the ones that want to write tooling
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2018-10-08 21:03:08	alanz	I wonder how hard it would be to turn http://www.haskellforall.com/2018/10/detailed-walkthrough-for-beginner.html into a codeAction, if the selected range has an '=' in it.
2018-10-08 21:03:22	alanz	in a demo plugin
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2018-10-08 21:05:57	alanz	hmm, vscode sends the current selection as the range for a code action request.
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2018-10-08 23:07:21	alanz	lukelau, what is the easiest way to get at the actual VFS (YiRope) structure in a codeActionRequest?
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2018-10-09 04:54:51	lukelau	alanz: I was reading that earlier, does brittany do that type of formatting?
2018-10-09 04:55:06	lukelau	I agree though, it would be a great example plugin
2018-10-09 04:55:53	lukelau	I think the VFS is stored inside haskell-lsp’s LspFuncs
2018-10-09 04:55:56	lukelau	Which is only in the reactor monad
2018-10-09 04:57:23	lukelau	I feel like a lot more of the stuff inside LspFuncs should be inside IdeM
2018-10-09 04:57:45	lukelau	Since CodeActionRequest is already having to manually pass through the project root, which is in LspFuncs
2018-10-09 04:57:54	lukelau	And the same goes for client capabilities
2018-10-09 04:58:35	lukelau	It would also be nice to have the client config available as well, it would unblock that brittany PR
2018-10-09 05:00:51	lukelau	Just from looking at https://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp-0.8.0.0/docs/Language-Haskell-LSP-Core.html#t:LspFuncs, everything except for sendFunc, publish/flushDiagnostics and getNextReqId could be in IdeM
2018-10-09 05:02:26	lukelau	Maybe we should separate it out into the “internal” functions and stuff that is shared in IdeM
2018-10-09 05:03:44	lukelau	To answer your question though, I’ve been using `GM.withMappedFile file` inside HsImport
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2018-10-11 11:46:13	meowray	http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/clangd-dev/2018-October/000148.html
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2018-10-11 21:45:09	nh2	alanz: where do settings go for sublime? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#configuration mentions a `settings.json` but is that specific to vscode, or does that go into some directory in general for HIE?
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2018-10-13 13:51:25	wedens	hi. is there a way to get "go to source"  functionality for non-base packages? currently it shows only for base
2018-10-13 13:52:25	wedens	I use hie from master with ghc 8.4.3 and latest vscode plugin, if it helps
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2018-10-14 06:59:30	oforero_	hello
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2018-10-14 07:00:09	oforero_	hello
2018-10-14 07:01:13	oforero_	I am looking for instructions on how to custumize the automatic formatting
2018-10-14 07:01:38	oforero_	like indentation space
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2018-10-15 13:16:46	decaf	hi. I think I couldn't enable hie on windows vscode. I can see hie running in vscode process explorer but it doesn't warn any wrong code
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2018-10-16 02:09:32	matzy_	question - for someone beginning in haskell and still learning the basics, is using this mode for emacs overkill?  i just wanted some basic code completions, and i still cant get them to work after spending hours setting this up
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2018-10-16 02:19:00	alanz	matzy_, how are you using it? I saw your comments earlier on #haskell, it seems you are not using lsp-mode on emacs?
2018-10-16 02:21:09	alanz	Via https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#using-hie-with-emacs
2018-10-16 02:23:51	matzy_	alanz: well i finally got it working, at least i think.  see, the problem is i'm really just learning, as in going though "Learn You a Haskell for Great Good" (or whatever it's called).  And all the examples I've done are just one first-class function in a .hs file, which we compiled with ghc
2018-10-16 02:24:09	matzy_	so i was thinking that maybe the autocomplete doesnt work without imports
2018-10-16 02:24:36	alanz	I think it works from the cabal file dependencies, and in that case there wouldnt be any
2018-10-16 02:24:44	alanz	Its an interesting case, tbh
2018-10-16 02:25:21	matzy_	like say i have a file called quicksort.hs that's just this code: http://learnyouahaskell.com/recursion#quick-sort
2018-10-16 02:25:38	matzy_	i'm guessing it's normal that i don't get any autocompletion in that case
2018-10-16 02:26:16	matzy_	I do get an error on all these files "The IO action 'main' is not defined in module 'Main'"
2018-10-16 02:27:00	lukelau	matzy_: You can get rid of those if you put `module Main where` at the top of your file
2018-10-16 02:27:10	lukelau	You can rename `Main` to whatever
2018-10-16 02:27:24	matzy_	and if i call lsp-haskell-enable when I load a buffer I do get the message "Using hoogle db at: /home/me/.hoogle/default-haskell-5.0.17.hoo"
2018-10-16 02:32:03	alanz	matzy_, that is normal
2018-10-16 02:32:12	alanz	And shows things are starting up properly
2018-10-16 02:33:30	matzy_	that's what i thought.  could you send me a snippet where i could definitely check if the completions are working or not?
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2018-10-16 02:39:32	matzy_	I tried a new file with "import System.IO" as the top line, did a "main = do" block underneath, and then in the middle (under the first System.IO line) I typed "import System.Env" and then pressed my trigger for auto-completion, and it said "ghcmod: Could not find module 'System.Env'" and under it is says "Add base as a dependency" "Add unix as a dependency" "Add base as a dependency"
2018-10-16 02:39:52	lukelau	matzy_: https://gist.github.com/bubba/f68a61fbdf5bb05d452a4c843fc94ccd works for me
2018-10-16 02:40:09	matzy_	it should be able to complete "import System.Environment", right?
2018-10-16 02:49:04	matzy_	lukelau: I tried that, and it won't complete anything (even foldl).  i get 'wrong type argument: lsp-workspace, nil' and then a weird message in the *lsp-haskell-stderr* buffer
2018-10-16 02:51:27	matzy_	here's the buffer contents: https://pastebin.com/HisbXR10
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2018-10-16 04:46:08	lukelau	Exciting times for LSP: https://forums.swift.org/t/new-lsp-language-service-supporting-swift-and-c-family-languages-for-any-editor-and-platform/17024
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2018-10-16 16:35:32	tsaka__	Hello. When HIE with lsp-haskell is installed for Spacemacs, is there a way to use Brittany from within emacs
2018-10-16 16:37:27	lukelau	tsaka__: You can use the formatting commands I believe to use brittany
2018-10-16 16:39:45	tsaka__	lukelau: do you mean the shortcuts/functions bound to haskell major mode?
2018-10-16 16:40:31	tsaka__	there's haskell-mode-stylish-buffer and hlint-refactor-buffer
2018-10-16 16:40:47	tsaka__	which I would assume uses stylish-haskell and hlint respectively
2018-10-16 16:42:48	lukelau	I’m not familiar with emacs, but I presume it would be in lsp-mode
2018-10-16 16:42:50	lukelau	Not haskell-mode
2018-10-16 16:46:05	tsaka__	okay so the LSP defines a formatting function
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2018-10-16 16:49:46	tsaka__	yes that works. the command is  "lsp-format-buffer" and is associated with LSP not haskell
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2018-10-16 17:38:19	tsaka__	running brittany via HIE (the command above), and the output is very different (worse) than doing so via command line, despite there being no project config
2018-10-16 17:41:26	tsaka__	the command line output is nice; the result via LSP is valid yet very bogged
2018-10-16 17:41:40	tsaka__	does HIE pass any default args to brittany?
2018-10-16 17:56:46	tsaka__	(both outputs clearly come from brittany, as neither hindent nor stylish formats imports in columns by default)
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2018-10-17 00:49:36	fendor	is it possible, that the latest hie does use a version of brittany that fails on imports such as (import Data.Array.Repa ((:.)(..)))?
2018-10-17 00:49:54	fendor	e.g. that hie not ship with the latest version of brittany or something like that?
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2018-10-17 04:00:57	tsaka__	HIE (in spacemacs) really seem to be struggling with linting files in the TEST directory
2018-10-17 04:01:29	tsaka__	it uses ghc-mod but the linting rarely or never updates
2018-10-17 04:02:13	tsaka__	and doesn't respond to changes in lint result that can be reproduced when building from cmd line (stack test ..)
2018-10-17 04:08:40	lukelau	tsaka__: other than the tab size which is configured in the LSP config, I don’t believe there’s any custom brittany settings
2018-10-17 04:10:28	lukelau	tsaka__: is the TEST directory big? You might want to check the LSP logs/output to see if hie/ghc-mod crashed at some point too, some clients let the server crash silently
2018-10-17 04:11:58	tsaka__	Warning: resolveModule "/home/torstein/code/haskelldca/test/Spec.hs":          could not execute: hspec-discover
2018-10-17 04:12:24	tsaka__	that file contains 1 line with: {-# OPTIONS_GHC -F -pgmF hspec-discover #-}
2018-10-17 04:12:37	tsaka__	which lets hspec autodiscover which tests to import/run
2018-10-17 04:33:28	tsaka__	lukelau: ^
2018-10-17 04:33:57	tsaka__	perhaps the pragma prevents HIE from reading the imports ...
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2018-10-17 05:37:32	lukelau	tsaka__: hmm I’m not sure what ghc-mod’s support is like for ghc tools
2018-10-17 05:37:39	lukelau	or whatever you would call that type of pragma
2018-10-17 05:37:58	lukelau	Does it work ok in the actual spec modules? Not the discovery module
2018-10-17 05:38:59	tsaka__	the strange thing is that it seems to pick up errors sometimes (perhaps when I recompile manually), but most of the times it's just stuck
2018-10-17 05:39:19	tsaka__	in the *Spec modules, that is
2018-10-17 05:40:39	tsaka__	can I use something other than ghc-mod?
2018-10-17 05:40:52	tsaka__	Im always in stack, if that matters
2018-10-17 05:41:08	tsaka__	lukelau: ^
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2018-10-17 06:02:51	lukelau	tsaka__: There’s no other backend currently other than ghc-mod
2018-10-17 06:03:24	lukelau	If it does get stuck I would suggest checking out the error logs it dumps
2018-10-17 06:03:49	lukelau	You can get them if you run hie with `hie -d -l /tmp/hie.log`
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2018-10-17 09:35:16	mankyKitty	how does one go about enabling 'code actions' ? Running HIE via spacemacs/lsp layer, and it tells me 'no actions to select from'
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2018-10-18 14:45:29	lukelau	mankyKitty: They should be on by default, are you getting diagnostics?
2018-10-18 14:46:03	lukelau	Oh if there’s a GHC error then the hlint code actions won’t show up until the errors are gone
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2018-10-18 16:01:22	mankyKitty	lukelau: cheers, it was a meat ware issue in the end. :)
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2018-10-18 17:05:02	DavidEichmann	Hi all! Is there any documentation on support for multipackage projects?
2018-10-18 17:06:07	DavidEichmann	hie works like magic on ghc's hadrian package, but I'd like to get hie to work on the whole ghc project.
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2018-10-18 19:35:36	lukelau	DavidEichmann: The LSP specification has lots of endpoints to tap into mult-workspace projects but hie is yet to take advantage of it
2018-10-18 19:36:53	lukelau	I think there’s a ticket for this issue, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/832, would definitely be a great feature to have though
2018-10-18 20:06:24	DavidEichmann	lukelau: Thanks for the ticket
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2018-10-18 21:01:38	crobbins	is there an example somewhere showing how to send requests to a running hie server?
2018-10-18 21:25:07	alanz	crobbins, look at the example client in lsp-test http://hackage.haskell.org/package/lsp-test-0.4.0.0/docs/Language-Haskell-LSP-Test.html
2018-10-18 21:27:26	alanz	or take a look at https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/inspector/
2018-10-18 21:27:49	alanz	crobbins, the best bet is to run vscode with logging enabled, and look at the log
2018-10-18 21:28:57	crobbins	alanz: cool thanks, wanted to just play with it using curl (or some analogue) to get an idea of what the output is like
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2018-10-18 21:32:19	alanz	crobbins, I think it is a bit too complex for curl, given the negotiation, and request-response stuff
2018-10-18 21:33:27	crobbins	alanz: yeah would just be nice to have an adhoc way of interacting with it from the command line (or even a gui tool really)
2018-10-18 21:33:38	crobbins	does hie support type-in-point?
2018-10-18 21:34:00	crobbins	i assume if it exposes it via the lsp, it would need to be some extension to the protocol since i don't see that in the lsp spec
2018-10-18 21:36:21	alanz	what is type-in-point? There is HoverRequest, where the client sends the point, the server returns info, and can be exposed via a plugin in hie
2018-10-18 21:36:26	 *	alanz must go now
2018-10-18 21:49:02	crobbins	alanz: type-in-point being "show type" of expression
2018-10-18 21:50:28	crobbins	i know ghc-mod supports it, so i assume hie at least _can_ support it (if it does not already), but i'm not sure how it'd be exposed via lsp since it's not in the spec
2018-10-18 21:51:01	crobbins	(except of course ghc-mod doesn't support ghc >= 8.2, which is a problem i assume for hie)
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2018-10-19 00:55:26	crobbins	alanz: oh i see you have a ghc-mod build for ghc 8.4, very nice
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2018-10-23 00:17:29	alanz	lukelau, I am seeing something strange on a test, which is not seeing an edit applied which adds to position 0,0
2018-10-23 00:17:45	alanz	See https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/commit/b09453619305cfcfc087aad18209bcc949bb39ed
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2018-10-23 01:12:42	alanz	lukelau, that worked, thanks
2018-10-23 01:27:15	jose_zap	seems like github is not triggering the webhooks after their outage
2018-10-23 01:28:01	alanz	yes, I just noticed that too. Thought for a moment my circle account was over, but then saw the notice
2018-10-23 01:28:36	alanz	But my circle usage is *way* over every month, and they have always carried on building. Which is good.
2018-10-23 01:29:57	jose_zap	I wonder if we could ask them for a free enterprise account, so we don't fear this anymore
2018-10-23 01:32:10	alanz	I was just thinking the same, but I figure to wait until it is actually a problem
2018-10-23 01:32:30	alanz	because evidence is that they either do not actually enforce it, or are not doing it for us
2018-10-23 01:32:49	alanz	either way, our builds have never been blocked by them. To my knowledge
2018-10-23 01:33:01	alanz	and my account has hit them very hard at times
2018-10-23 01:34:33	jose_zap	yeah, makes sense
2018-10-23 01:40:29	alanz	lukelau, can you remember what extra stuff we put on this channel when all the spam was happening? I think we can loosen it up again
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2018-10-23 01:44:15	@alanz	we have access flags +AFRefiorstv on #haskell-ide-engine
2018-10-23 01:44:23	@alanz	what should I remove?
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2018-10-23 02:45:51	benkolera	I'm not sure, alanz . Just having +r seems to be enough on other channels that I operate lately. 
2018-10-23 02:46:29	@alanz	benkolera, so removing r would make it available to non-registered users?
2018-10-23 02:46:49	@alanz	I do this IRC admin stuff so rarely, I have to go from scratch every time
2018-10-23 02:47:15	benkolera	Yeah. None of the spammers have registered nicks so restricting to registered users is enough.
2018-10-23 02:48:11	benkolera	It does cause problems for legitimate users when netsplits cause people to get ghosted (they get kicked and have to rejoin ), but it is better than spam.
2018-10-23 02:48:12	@alanz	we used to be open here, then got spammed, but now I am keen to open again
2018-10-23 02:48:31	@alanz	so that the riot.im bridge can work cleanly
2018-10-23 02:48:47	@alanz	either that or I must work out how to register through that
2018-10-23 02:49:05	@alanz	and also to get the gh merge reports, and ci status reports
2018-10-23 02:49:21	benkolera	The alternative to +r is glguy's not that runs in a lot of haskelly rooms. Also we have > 20 users so you can invite sigyn to this channel.
2018-10-23 02:49:30	benkolera	*bot
2018-10-23 02:49:50	benkolera	See #bfpg and #qfpl for examples of this.
2018-10-23 02:50:24	benkolera	I don't know what the process for inviting glguy to a room though. 
2018-10-23 02:51:50	@alanz	ok, will make a note to look into it, but not now, will be going to bed soon. Thanks for the hints
2018-10-23 02:51:56	benkolera	Sigyn is freenodes bot that actually tracks spam across all of its channels and blocks patterns and known spammer connections. Glguy 's bot devoices any unregistered nick and forces them through a basic humanity check before voicing them.
2018-10-23 02:53:17	benkolera	alanz: btw your Haskell eXchange LSP HIE talk really inspired me into action to helping out. I'm hoping to get some Queensland FP Lab help coming your way soon (even if it is just me). :)
2018-10-23 02:53:25	benkolera	So thanks for the nudge. :)
2018-10-23 02:53:31	@alanz	ok. I saw the word "voice" in the flag descriptions
2018-10-23 02:53:56	@alanz	benkolera, great to hear that. The goal was to invite people in to help out
2018-10-23 02:54:13	@alanz	by showing that it is not too hard to contribute
2018-10-23 02:55:47	benkolera	That definitely achieved the goal. Forewarning: I'm a nix person, so I may come at things from a weird angle. 
2018-10-23 02:57:34	benkolera	On the IRC notes, I would get a hold of glguy. He seems to be the most proficient haskelly IRC person I've seen around. He will have the best idea and  his bot definitely works with the matrix bridge and is spam free  He's on freenode and Emily pi and mightybyte's discord. 
2018-10-23 02:58:13	benkolera	He also wrote https://hackage.haskell.org/package/glirc
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2018-10-23 03:01:09	@alanz	ok, will do that. Thanks.
2018-10-23 03:01:26	@alanz	But it is my bedtime now in ZA, cheers
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2018-10-23 06:06:21	meck	Hi, i started to look at #440 to optionaly disabling markdown, it seems the settings isen't available from IdeM? Seems like that would be a good idea?
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2018-10-23 18:18:39	lukelau	alanz: sorry, haven’t been on IRC in a while (I broke my IRC client again) 
2018-10-23 18:20:21	@alanz	lukelau, no problem. I have been spotty too, the last while. My day job has become all-consuming at the moment
2018-10-23 18:20:49	lukelau	Just wanted to see the amount of activity on HIE has been great! That talk has worked wonders
2018-10-23 18:30:32	@alanz	I agree, very nice to see a practical outcome from it
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2018-10-23 18:39:26	lukelau	Any ideas as to why 8.4.2 is suddenly failing on appveyor? https://ci.appveyor.com/project/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/builds/19655014/job/cervd8je733j0ar0
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2018-10-23 18:43:09	jhrcek	Hello! Regarding this  PR https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/898.. could anyone please recommend a way how to install liquidhaskell binary so I can run `make test` successfully? Without `liquid` binary on my PATH the tests are failing..
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2018-10-23 18:44:36	lukelau	jhrcek: What operating system are you on?
2018-10-23 18:45:08	jhrcek	Using Fedora linux 28
2018-10-23 18:45:29	lukelau	You need to install z3 first
2018-10-23 18:45:29	lukelau	https://github.com/Z3Prover/z3/releases
2018-10-23 18:45:36	lukelau	It might be on your package manager
2018-10-23 18:45:49	lukelau	And then in an ideal world you should just be able to do cabal install liquidhaskell
2018-10-23 18:46:09	lukelau	I find it might be a bit easier building it from source though
2018-10-23 18:46:19	lukelau	In case you end up in cabal hell
2018-10-23 18:46:20	lukelau	https://github.com/ucsd-progsys/liquidhaskell/blob/develop/INSTALL.md
2018-10-23 18:47:35	jhrcek	lukelau: I tried yesterday: installed z3 via system package manager and then stack build in liquidhaskell. This was successfully, but the tests were failing, because the (latest?) liquid binary was returning different output than what the test expected (changes in some json format). Could you please check what version of liquid you have locally before I try some more?
2018-10-23 18:47:57	lukelau	jhrcek: Ah yeah they have be known to be flaky
2018-10-23 18:48:07	lukelau	0.8.2.4 for me
2018-10-23 18:48:22	lukelau	the output changes quite a bit from version to version it would seem
2018-10-23 18:49:07	jhrcek	lukelau: ok. Thanks for info. I'll try again when I'm back home and try to refactor those tests to be less flaky (and be explicit about the need to have liquid haskell installed).
2018-10-23 18:50:02	lukelau	jhrcek: That sounds good! 
2018-10-23 18:50:10	meck	I just did this today with cabal new-install liquidhaskell --with-compiler= using ghc 8.2.2 and now the tests are working
2018-10-23 18:50:20	lukelau	A little `findExecutable` test would be great https://hackage.haskell.org/package/directory-1.3.1.5/docs/System-Directory.html#v:findExecutable 
2018-10-23 18:51:50	jhrcek	lukelau: good idea. Will do that :)
2018-10-23 18:52:51	@alanz	jhrcek, you can't install liquid via stack
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2018-10-23 18:53:10	@alanz	when it runs as a subprocess of hie, it can't find its' libraries
2018-10-23 18:53:18	@alanz	so it must be cabal install
2018-10-23 18:53:39	@alanz	I guess we need to make a flag as to whether or not we enable that test
2018-10-23 18:54:16	jhrcek	alanz: You mean it's not possible or that I shouldn't be doing this? Because stack install puts the binary in a location where the tests don't see it?
2018-10-23 18:55:39	jhrcek	I did it yesterday and the tests saw it (the tests use function that calls findExecutable internally and it found the binary) but I guess the tests were not up2date with the latest liquid binary changes..
2018-10-23 19:00:39	meck	I also found some .liquid output that i assume shouldent be in the repro https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/900
2018-10-23 19:07:33	@alanz	jhrcek, there are no new liquid binary changes. It is not able to execute it under stack, when installed under a different stac
2018-10-23 19:07:39	@alanz	the library paths dont work
2018-10-23 19:08:07	@alanz	you have to install it via GHC 7.10 or whatever, and when it runs under hie using GHC 8.4.3 it gets screwed up because of environment vars
2018-10-23 19:08:28	@alanz	meck, that is actually there so the tests can pass, for the parsing of that
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2018-10-23 19:11:37	meck	alanz: Ok, I probably have missunderstood the structure then. but test/testdata/liquid/.liquid/Evens.hs.err contains refs to your local dir structure and get updated to mine after the tests
2018-10-23 19:12:48	meck	and then therefore are markes the repro as dirty
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2018-10-23 19:15:22	@alanz	meck, yes, that is a problem. I guess we should pull out just the bits being parsed and go from that
2018-10-23 19:15:43	@alanz	or .gitignore it, and use liquid to generate it from scratch each time
2018-10-23 19:17:52	meck	there already is a *.liquid in the gitignore, which is why i assumed the files should be generated when testing
2018-10-23 19:19:08	@alanz	ok
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2018-10-23 20:14:00	meck	alaz: I've updated the PR by reordering the test to run the executable test first, that seems to generate the files on first run
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2018-10-23 22:59:20	crobbins	alanz: i see you have a ghc-mod build for ghc 8.4, do you happen to have one for 8.2 as well?
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2018-10-23 23:37:27	@alanz	crobbins, that one is used for all the hie builds, from 8.2.1 to 8.4.3
2018-10-23 23:37:38	crobbins	oh nice
2018-10-23 23:37:42	crobbins	well done
2018-10-23 23:42:08	lukelau	jhrcek: What version of liquid haskell is giving you https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/898#issuecomment-432345732?
2018-10-23 23:42:25	lukelau	sorry wrong link
2018-10-23 23:42:26	lukelau	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/898#issuecomment-432345732
2018-10-23 23:43:50	@alanz	I wonder if that is a result of the compiler liquid was installed with too.
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2018-10-24 00:00:37	jhrcek	lukelau: sorry, didn't notice your message. I installed:  0.8.4.0 from latest liquidhaskell master
2018-10-24 00:01:42	@alanz	jhrcek, the tests run against the one on hackage
2018-10-24 00:01:49	jhrcek	alanz: I compiled it with ghc-tinfo6-8.4.3 managed by stack..
2018-10-24 00:02:41	@alanz	jhrcek, that is what I do to, stack install 8.4.3, then symlink the ghc bin dir into /opt/ghc/8.4.3
2018-10-24 00:02:46	@alanz	and put that in my path
2018-10-24 00:03:07	@alanz	this avoids nasty linking issues to do with binary compatibility and the like
2018-10-24 00:03:45	@alanz	but I think the one on hackage needs to be installed using GHC 8.2.2
2018-10-24 00:05:25	jhrcek	alanz: will try that
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2018-10-24 02:03:35	jose_zap	alanz a gentle reminder to review this whenever you have time :) https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/864
2018-10-24 02:05:27	@alanz	jose_zap, Im getting to stuff, but dealing with the simple ones first
2018-10-24 02:05:54	jose_zap	thanks, no real rush. I was just going over tickets now
2018-10-24 02:06:57	@alanz	ok. To be honest I am trying to rebase a patch on GHC (D5036), but I am currently waiting for a docker image to download, so looking at quick stuff on the way
2018-10-24 02:12:17	jose_zap	is D5036 something we can benefit from?
2018-10-24 02:17:05	@alanz	eventually, it will form the basis for moving ghc-exactprint into GHC
2018-10-24 02:17:22	@alanz	and hopefully provide a basis for my incremental compiler
2018-10-24 02:22:51	jose_zap	interesting!
2018-10-24 02:28:11	@alanz	I think so. But a lot of work still to be done
2018-10-24 02:28:36	@alanz	But I am hoping that once the ball starts rolling others will jump in too.
2018-10-24 02:28:59	@alanz	I imagine someone getting a PHd for incremental type checking, for example
2018-10-24 02:29:21	@alanz	based on my complete lack of knowledge of how that sort of thing works
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2018-10-24 12:09:33	YellowOnion_	make is saying "stack: command not found"
2018-10-24 12:10:22	YellowOnion_	On windows...Maybe a PATH issue?
2018-10-24 12:24:35	YellowOnion_	Ahh okay, bat file is working.
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2018-10-24 19:06:28	tsaka__	i'm having memory leaks with HIE via emacs. https://i.imgur.com/J1EzCCA.png
2018-10-24 19:06:59	tsaka__	using 8GB or whatever there ..
2018-10-24 19:07:20	jose_zap	it is a known problem
2018-10-24 19:07:34	tsaka__	okay
2018-10-24 19:07:37	jose_zap	the only workaround is to restart the language server periodically
2018-10-24 19:07:56	jose_zap	we are hoping this will be better for GHC 8.6
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2018-10-24 19:23:40	tsaka__	it's pretty easy to automatically restart LSP from emacs every now and then, what would you recommend setting the timer to?
2018-10-24 19:24:20	tsaka__	does it leak gradually, how long does it take, 
2018-10-24 19:37:41	jose_zap	it is gradual, although it also takes around 200-300 megabytes per new file you open
2018-10-24 19:38:14	jose_zap	it leaks each time it has to recompile the file. There is no automatic way of restarting it, I use my editor commands to do it
2018-10-24 19:38:34	jose_zap	someone added in a ticket a bash script that wraps hie and restarts it after a memory limit
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2018-10-24 20:40:52	shmish111	hi, has anyone got autocompletion working with spacemacs?
2018-10-24 20:46:45	shmish111	oh, done it
2018-10-24 20:47:06	shmish111	so next question, how can I change the command that is used to launch ghci?
2018-10-24 20:47:20	shmish111	I am trying to get things working with bazel
2018-10-24 20:47:23	jose_zap	hie does not lauch ghci
2018-10-24 20:47:34	jose_zap	that must be a spacemacs thing
2018-10-24 20:48:17	shmish111	ah ok
2018-10-24 20:48:41	shmish111	so lsp-haskell I guess
2018-10-24 20:49:33	shmish111	no
2018-10-24 20:49:43	shmish111	being dumb, sorry
2018-10-24 20:51:21	shmish111	what would it take to get hie working with bazel do you think?
2018-10-24 20:53:41	jose_zap	are you getting any errors? it should just work
2018-10-24 20:54:08	jose_zap	or.. what do you mean? Is bazel the build tool from google?
2018-10-24 20:58:00	shmish111	yes it is
2018-10-24 20:58:24	shmish111	so I can get ghci working with bazel and thus completion etc
2018-10-24 20:58:31	shmish111	but what about hie itself
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2018-10-25 01:25:56	@alanz	hexagoxel, what is the status of brittany and GHC 8.6.1?
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2018-10-25 01:53:08	hexagoxel	alanz: let me see, i have just started the build for the 8.6 branch without any -allow-newer, will report in a bit.
2018-10-25 01:53:18	hexagoxel	i guess i really need to cut another release, too.
2018-10-25 01:54:49	@alanz	great, I just looked at your repo but did not see an 8.6 branch, must open my eyes :)
2018-10-25 01:56:58	@alanz	I am checking the HaRe tests at the moment, now there is a stackage nightly for GHC 8.6.1
2018-10-25 01:57:08	hexagoxel	ah, the MonadFail stuff breaks brittany, too (which was not caught by the 8.6-alpha, sadly)
2018-10-25 01:57:31	@alanz	yes, but it is not that hard to sort out, if you follow the porting instructions
2018-10-25 01:57:48	hexagoxel	right
2018-10-25 01:58:28	@alanz	e.g. https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/commit/811404c218277811d429b0d4a96b428f64987438
2018-10-25 02:09:13	hexagoxel	alanz: in this case it needed https://github.com/lspitzner/brittany/commit/03a6d1867facf9929f106154a1074c6866cbe39e#diff-a89f67e47d549211a70a9c5dfa9cf498
2018-10-25 02:12:12	@alanz	yes, that is the other option too
2018-10-25 02:12:18	@alanz	better one, I think
2018-10-25 02:12:36	hexagoxel	oh, and a couple similar cases i have missed, whoops. let me update the branch again.
2018-10-25 02:13:57	@alanz	I am still fighting with cabal-helper
2018-10-25 02:14:12	hexagoxel	ok, tests are clean now locally
2018-10-25 02:14:57	hexagoxel	i can already smell some merge conflicts with master. but nothing too complex :)
2018-10-25 02:18:41	@alanz	ok, nice
2018-10-25 02:19:06	@alanz	but on the #ghc-mod channel I hear that things are not rosy for cabal-helper
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2018-10-25 03:03:01	hexagoxel	ah, and now that branch makes ghc-8.0's head explode. I will look at this again tomorrow.
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2018-10-26 05:01:36	mankyKitty	apologies if I'm just being dense, but how do I trigger 'case splitting' via HIE in emacs with lsp-haskell ? 
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2018-10-26 17:56:25	lukelau	mankyKitty: I think it may be a thing only in vscode
2018-10-26 17:57:01	mankyKitty	Oh boo
2018-10-26 17:58:24	lukelau	mankyKitty: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/907
2018-10-26 17:58:55	mankyKitty	Ty
2018-10-26 17:58:59	lukelau	mankyKitty: It’s strange, its not that we can’t do it in other clients its just that we never added a UI for it
2018-10-26 17:59:50	lukelau	thanks for bringing that up though, its a really cool feature that would be a shame to be forgotten about
2018-10-26 18:00:01	mankyKitty	I thought that might be the case, good thing to hack on, cheers
2018-10-26 18:00:14	mankyKitty	I might give it whack
2018-10-26 18:00:42	lukelau	awesome
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2018-10-27 13:11:43	jhrcek	Hello. How do I enable logging for hie when using it via vscode extension?
2018-10-27 13:13:55	jhrcek	I'd like to see degug logging, but I'm not that familiar with vscode yet :)
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2018-10-27 17:52:55	@alanz	This is a good video on the incremental approach I want to build into GHC/HIE : https://thestrangeloop.com/2018/tree-sitter---a-new-parsing-system-for-programming-tools.html
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2018-10-28 00:47:47	@alanz	using 818% of my circleci build allowance :)
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2018-10-28 03:10:10	mankyKitty	alanz: maybe they use HIE for benchmarking now, so they don't mind. ;)
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2018-10-28 15:44:38	@alanz	What is a github environment? We seem to have one, for gh-pages
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2018-10-28 22:51:29	lukelau	alanz: I presume its for the new actions CI stuff
2018-10-28 22:52:08	@alanz	I presume too. I guess we can investigate some time
2018-10-28 22:57:30	@alanz	so, the 8.4.4 tests are failing because we are using the wrong resolver for the tests
2018-10-28 22:57:44	@alanz	or rather, that is what is happening locally.
2018-10-28 22:57:58	@alanz	and on circle
2018-10-29 00:02:23	jose_zap	anyone knows why the ghc 8.4.2 tests are timing out?
2018-10-29 00:02:39	jose_zap	in circleci
2018-10-29 00:12:28	@alanz	no, but possibly just restart it
2018-10-29 00:12:50	@alanz	it happened due to some of the commits today, I think
2018-10-29 00:30:55	jose_zap	can I get permissions to restart it?
2018-10-29 00:31:16	jose_zap	oh, it seems like I already can do that
2018-10-29 00:31:38	@alanz	I have seen things run away on circle sometimes.
2018-10-29 00:31:50	@alanz	their platform is a bit unstable at times
2018-10-29 01:43:37	@alanz	jose_zap, this ran fast : https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/1486
2018-10-29 01:43:54	@alanz	which is before the couple of merges that came in today
2018-10-29 01:47:04	jose_zap	I wonder if that is something a cache clear would solve
2018-10-29 01:47:20	jose_zap	your ghc 8.4.4 branch did that
2018-10-29 01:48:33	@alanz	yes, I will merge it when the last test completes, then see what happens
2018-10-29 01:49:07	@alanz	speak of the devil, here goes
2018-10-29 01:49:16	jose_zap	fingers crossed
2018-10-29 01:51:31	@alanz	https://circleci.com/workflow-run/900526a2-90a5-4112-bbc2-bc3e670e8ac2
2018-10-29 01:51:47	@alanz	waiting for your PR to finish building first though
2018-10-29 01:52:15	@alanz	https://circleci.com/workflow-run/3c9461e4-97a5-455d-8dd9-e694461e430c
2018-10-29 01:53:23	jose_zap	I can cancel my PR, would like to make sure that merging master in will make it better
2018-10-29 01:54:00	jose_zap	done
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2018-10-29 02:11:13	@alanz	"make build" is a ridiculously long proceess now
2018-10-29 02:11:30	@alanz	I think we should define some meaningful subset.
2018-10-29 02:11:39	@alanz	like >= 8.4
2018-10-29 02:12:04	@alanz	or even just 8.4.3 and 8.4.4
2018-10-29 02:21:07	jose_zap	it makes sense to me to keep it on the latest ghc we support
2018-10-29 02:24:02	@alanz	except a lot of people are stuck on earlier ones. I guess just installing the one you want is fine
2018-10-29 02:28:17	jose_zap	people stuck on earlier will probably not want to install any other version
2018-10-29 02:30:27	@alanz	exactly. Most people will just install the one or two that they need
2018-10-29 02:30:46	@alanz	maybe we should do a little terminal program to select what you want
2018-10-29 02:31:06	@alanz	or store a config file, so when you make it just builds the set you are interested in
2018-10-29 02:44:07	@alanz	jose_zap, the 8.2.2 test has finished, just saving cache now.
2018-10-29 02:44:19	@alanz	so I think it was a glitch earlier today, on circle
2018-10-29 02:44:25	@alanz	it has happened before
2018-10-29 02:45:58	jose_zap	cool, I will trigger my PR after all tests for master finish
2018-10-29 02:46:45	@alanz	ok
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2018-10-29 13:44:37	domenkozar	hmm, how do I get editor to trigger NotDidOpenTextDocument
2018-10-29 13:44:55	domenkozar	(also why it's prefixed with Not?)
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2018-10-29 14:09:27	@alanz	domenkozar, Not == Notification
2018-10-29 14:09:55	@alanz	and in the initial configuration response you negotiate capabilities, and need to say what notifications you want
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2018-10-29 14:11:33	@alanz	I think it is generated from https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs#L141
2018-10-29 14:23:15	@alanz	domenkozar, see https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/gh-pages/specification.md#didopentextdocument-notification-arrow_right
2018-10-29 14:23:25	@alanz	at the end, the registration requirements
2018-10-29 14:25:14	jose_zap	ghc 8.4.2 stubbornly gets stuck on circle ci when testing my branch
2018-10-29 14:33:19	@alanz	domenkozar, the sync options are set here: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs#L955
2018-10-29 14:33:47	@alanz	jose_zap, are you able to re-run it with ssh enabled?
2018-10-29 14:47:19	jose_zap	I'll try that next
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2018-10-29 15:02:54	jose_zap	I'll enable "Auto-cancel redundant builds" in circle-ci if that's ok
2018-10-29 15:03:13	jose_zap	it cancels running builds when you push new commits to the same branch
2018-10-29 15:10:08	@alanz	sounds good
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2018-10-29 16:12:47	@alanz	jose_zap, I suggest you comment out the test that is running forever, push the branch, run with ssh enabled, then try to run that test locally, and see what happens
2018-10-29 16:13:59	jose_zap	ok
2018-10-29 16:16:14	@alanz	probably comment out the entry in the cabal file completely, then restore it on the ci box
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2018-10-29 16:59:53	@alanz	hexagoxel, I notice brittany on hackage is way behind brittany master on github
2018-10-29 17:00:09	@alanz	is there a reason for this? I am trying to clear out hie submodules
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2018-10-29 18:07:51	jose_zap	alanz so, commetting out the test and running it over ssh works just fine
2018-10-29 18:08:27	@alanz	that is crazy.
2018-10-29 18:08:44	jose_zap	oh, new info: running it a second time results in this error:
2018-10-29 18:08:45	@alanz	Maybe it is a race condition, are we running the tests with -j1?
2018-10-29 18:08:52	jose_zap	dispatcher-test: withGhcModEnv': using ghc-mod from multiple threads is not supported!
2018-10-29 18:08:58	jose_zap	error, called at ./GhcMod/Monad.hs:86:15 in ghc-mod-core-5.9.0.0-ACiMkGlEo0h6naBTEJVo8d:GhcMod.Monad
2018-10-29 18:09:12	jose_zap	and the shell gets stuck there
2018-10-29 18:09:41	@alanz	ok, I think we need to force -j1, if it is not already there
2018-10-29 18:10:25	@alanz	I'm pretty sure I had that before, for this very reason. I see it is not -j 2
2018-10-29 18:10:33	jose_zap	running it with that flag does not fix the error
2018-10-29 18:11:32	@alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/commit/0acb40a7f0bdfd97688aea9aa5b1f00ab7f27b2a
2018-10-29 18:11:56	@alanz	I think there may be something dangling though, from a prior execution
2018-10-29 18:12:31	jose_zap	does ghc-mod have some sort of "lock" file?
2018-10-29 18:12:34	@alanz	I would suggest reverting that commit, and adding a comment that the tests *must* run single threaded. I remember doing that earlier, for a similar reason
2018-10-29 18:13:03	@alanz	ghc-mod is not reentrant, so you cant run a session, and then run another one, in the same test exe
2018-10-29 18:13:15	@alanz	its one of the reasons we have so many different text exes
2018-10-29 18:13:29	@alanz	and why we run functional tests, which launch a fresh hie each time
2018-10-29 18:14:29	@alanz	btw, the reason to run the tests using a single core is that stack will run multiple of those at the same time, and since they refer to the same projects, the on-disk state can get screweed up
2018-10-29 18:15:41	@alanz	This was the previous commit, reverted by lukelau : https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/commit/536b2369ad452117e36f1f87cfed5719db7f3dc1
2018-10-29 18:15:45	@alanz	see the commit message
2018-10-29 18:16:30	jose_zap	ok, I'm setting it back to 1
2018-10-29 18:17:14	@alanz	please put a comment in the yaml file that it has to be one, else the tests stomp on each other on the file system
2018-10-29 18:22:38	jose_zap	alright
2018-10-29 18:44:20	jose_zap	so far it looks like that was not the solution
2018-10-29 18:45:24	@alanz	well, give it a bit more time
2018-10-29 18:45:50	@alanz	let me look into your dispatcher test too, to see what changed
2018-10-29 18:46:20	@alanz	running single core on the tests is something we need anyway
2018-10-29 18:52:09	@alanz	I think the problem is trying to run two ghc-mod sessions, in the same exe
2018-10-29 18:52:33	@alanz	but I am trying to see what we had before
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2018-10-29 19:06:01	@alanz	jose_zap, it seems to me the original dispatcher spec should never have worked, or rather had a latent ghc-mod issue from the beginning.
2018-10-29 19:06:25	jose_zap	oh? Can you point out where the problem is?
2018-10-29 19:06:46	@alanz	It should probably be split into two separate exes, one for the one hspec newPluginSpec, one for hspec funcSpec
2018-10-29 19:07:26	@alanz	Except it is only a problem if we actually do any GHC stuff, I think
2018-10-29 19:09:58	@alanz	you might try a long shot and swap the order of those two in the main routine
2018-10-29 19:10:14	@alanz	but there is potentially a lurking race condition
2018-10-29 19:15:27	@alanz	The function `race_` kills the other thread if the one dies?
2018-10-29 19:15:51	@alanz	I just wonder if our killThread in the first test is not shutting things down properly
2018-10-29 19:16:04	jose_zap	yeah, it does
2018-10-29 19:16:17	@alanz	perhaps we need a `shutdownScheduler` call that makes sure everything gets closed down and killed
2018-10-29 19:16:52	jose_zap	what needs to be called to make sure it gets shutdoen properly?
2018-10-29 19:16:56	@alanz	but the fundamental problem is that ghc/ghc-mod initialises an IOVar, and if it is already initialised shits itself
2018-10-29 19:17:40	@alanz	so the cleanest is to split the dispatcher tests into two, by making another cabal test stanza, and running Main1.hs with the one, and Main2.hs with the other
2018-10-29 19:17:47	@alanz	or use decent names for them
2018-10-29 19:18:21	jose_zap	sounds easy to do
2018-10-29 19:18:41	@alanz	Maybe the scheduler should have a global iovar, that checks if it has been initialised before, then error out if so
2018-10-29 19:18:53	@alanz	And we do both those things.
2018-10-29 19:19:14	@alanz	having ghc/ghc-mod not reentrant is a huge pain for the tests
2018-10-29 19:20:28	@alanz	And I guess we may as well cancel that hanging test
2018-10-29 19:21:27	jose_zap	yeah
2018-10-29 19:21:36	jose_zap	cancelled
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2018-10-29 19:56:58	@alanz	jose_zap, yay
2018-10-29 19:57:15	jose_zap	looks promising!
2018-10-29 19:57:36	@alanz	indeed. Just need the other dispatcher tests to pass too
2018-10-29 19:57:56	@alanz	but running as separate exes is a sure way of avoiding the possibility of that deadlock
2018-10-29 20:07:48	jose_zap	alanz what do you think of running the test suites in separate cli invocations instead of running a single `stack test?
2018-10-29 20:08:07	@alanz	I was wondering the same thing
2018-10-29 20:08:18	jose_zap	the benefits is that you get the real time output of the tests passing, and that we could parallelize the unit tests, whic seem to be taking more time now
2018-10-29 20:08:21	@alanz	but the danger is that we silently leave out a test, by accident
2018-10-29 20:08:39	jose_zap	that's true
2018-10-29 20:08:49	@alanz	and running them in parallel is not a good option, as they work on the same set of test files
2018-10-29 20:09:14	@alanz	so if we run them in parallel, we need to set them up to first copy the testdata to a work zone and then run
2018-10-29 20:09:26	@alanz	which is straightforward enough
2018-10-29 20:09:34	jose_zap	even for unit tests we need to do that?
2018-10-29 20:09:41	@alanz	possibly not
2018-10-29 20:10:15	@alanz	At some point there was a hspec-junit module, which presented the test results in junit format, which circleci can present
2018-10-29 20:10:30	@alanz	but the module has rotted, and it is on my endless todo list to revisit
2018-10-29 20:11:37	@alanz	http://hackage.haskell.org/package/hspec-jenkins
2018-10-29 20:11:49	@alanz	last updated in 2013
2018-10-29 20:13:26	jose_zap	is it entirely borkne?
2018-10-29 20:13:30	jose_zap	broken
2018-10-29 20:14:23	@alanz	the result data type in hspec is different now, so needs a refactor
2018-10-29 20:14:24	@alanz	iirc
2018-10-29 20:14:46	@alanz	btw, it suddenly struck me, maybe we can set ghc-options per test to use more than one core
2018-10-29 20:15:00	@alanz	so stack runs the tests one by one, but the tests ask for more
2018-10-29 20:15:16	@alanz	not sure how the limits nest though, would probably not work
2018-10-29 20:16:09	jose_zap	maybe worth figuring out if it woudl work
2018-10-29 20:16:34	jose_zap	either the test takes a much longer time now, or it got stuck again
2018-10-29 20:17:08	@alanz	I suspect just taking longer. 
2018-10-29 20:17:12	@alanz	Lets wait a bit more
2018-10-29 20:18:23	@alanz	I guess if we did run the tests as individual steps, we could give them -j2
2018-10-29 20:18:26	@alanz	per step
2018-10-29 20:18:53	@alanz	But the danger of not updating to circle file worries me
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2018-10-29 20:20:23	jose_zap	automatically generating the config file could solve that, but sounds like a bigger effort
2018-10-29 20:20:25	@alanz	any idea how to cancel tests here: https://ci.appveyor.com/project/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/history
2018-10-29 20:20:43	@alanz	I was also wondering about auto-gen'ing it
2018-10-29 20:20:56	@alanz	maybe just an include for that part
2018-10-29 20:21:01	jose_zap	ci requires an admin user to do that
2018-10-29 20:21:11	jose_zap	appveyor*
2018-10-29 20:21:20	@alanz	ok, I have no idea how appveyor works
2018-10-29 20:21:28	@alanz	or privileges on it
2018-10-29 20:21:37	jose_zap	who created the account?
2018-10-29 20:21:37	@alanz	I guess we have a 10 or so hour wait
2018-10-29 20:21:50	@alanz	one of the haskell committee people, I think
2018-10-29 20:22:16	jose_zap	that reminds me, any word on re-enabling travis for hie?
2018-10-29 20:22:51	@alanz	good point.
2018-10-29 20:22:59	@alanz	I think I had to do something, but missed it
2018-10-29 20:23:11	jose_zap	test passed!!
2018-10-29 20:23:13	@alanz	I was thinking, it might be good to use travis for the cabal build
2018-10-29 20:23:15	@alanz	nice
2018-10-29 20:23:18	@alanz	at last
2018-10-29 20:23:40	jose_zap	I'll re-trigger for the other jobs and then merge
2018-10-29 20:23:43	@alanz	then we can use the multi-ghc-ci script to keep it up to date
2018-10-29 20:24:16	@alanz	but we first need the (imminent) new-build support in c-h/ghc-mod
2018-10-29 20:24:35	jose_zap	is it almost done now?
2018-10-29 20:25:41	@alanz	getting close
2018-10-29 20:27:10	jose_zap	try asking the committee to give you admin access for appveyor
2018-10-29 20:27:18	jose_zap	the ability to cancel jobs is important
2018-10-29 20:28:05	@alanz	ok. May as well ask them to give it to both of us, need multiple people to have it. And perhaps lukelau 
2018-10-29 20:31:18	jose_zap	sounds good
2018-10-29 20:32:42	jose_zap	generating circle-ci config with dhall is something I may like to explore
2018-10-29 20:32:54	jose_zap	I needed an excuse to play with dhall :)
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2018-10-29 20:34:30	@alanz	yes, or use cabal-plan, to pull out the plan as a json file, then work from that
2018-10-29 20:35:00	@alanz	or ask ghc-mod to give you the info :)
2018-10-29 20:43:37	@alanz	jose_zap, I wonder what happens when your test hangs on appveyor. Or if it does
2018-10-29 20:44:33	jose_zap	I don't think it will
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2018-10-29 21:07:53	mpickering	alanz: Have you considered tree-sitter?
2018-10-29 21:29:20	@alanz	mpickering, I have seen it, and I am using the same techniques
2018-10-29 21:29:42	@alanz	From the same source doc, the Wagner and Graham tech report
2018-10-29 21:29:51	mpickering	ok great
2018-10-29 21:30:09	@alanz	Because that way it becomes a minor tweak to the happy Parser.y, rather than a whole rewrite
2018-10-29 21:30:10	mpickering	I was wondering about generating the tree-sitter spec directly from the alex/happy files 
2018-10-29 21:30:32	mpickering	Seems like you would have to generate a C program from the alex file 
2018-10-29 21:30:36	@alanz	If you look at that talk, they mention generating the LALR tables 
2018-10-29 21:30:46	@alanz	which is exactly what I am already doing in my happy branch
2018-10-29 21:30:57	@alanz	https://github.com/alanz/happy/tree/repetitive-rebased
2018-10-29 21:31:09	@alanz	And at last, a year later, I am starting to work on it again
2018-10-29 21:31:32	@alanz	except this time I am going to use LSP to bring in the changes, and generate info back to see how it goes
2018-10-29 21:31:48	@alanz	for a silly toy language, which I can then use as a framework for GHC, in time
2018-10-29 21:33:11	@alanz	Here: https://github.com/alanz/incremental-play
2018-10-29 21:33:41	@alanz	The MainRepetitive2.hs is my proof of concept of the underlying parser, now time to integrate it more closely
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2018-10-30 01:13:59	domenkozar	alanz: thank you!
2018-10-30 01:16:34	@alanz	domenkozar, for what?
2018-10-30 01:16:57	@alanz	btw, I just copied your nix lsp thing, to make my incremental parser playground
2018-10-30 01:17:43	domenkozar	for tips how lsp works :)
2018-10-30 01:18:14	@alanz	ah, yes I forgot about that earlier. You have been traveling?
2018-10-30 01:18:31	domenkozar	yeah just got back home from nixcon
2018-10-30 01:18:49	@alanz	which was really good, I gather
2018-10-30 01:19:01	domenkozar	yes, tons of things moved forward :)
2018-10-30 01:19:21	@alanz	Its scary how much stuff is moving forward so fast in so many places
2018-10-30 01:19:26	@alanz	impossible to keep up
2018-10-30 01:20:08	domenkozar	yeah I couldn't even meet everyone at nixcon
2018-10-30 01:20:19	domenkozar	was hard to imagine that at our first sprint with 15 people in 2014
2018-10-30 01:20:32	@alanz	good things grow :)
2018-10-30 01:25:55	domenkozar	alanz: btw I was thinking
2018-10-30 01:25:59	domenkozar	could hie log to stderr?
2018-10-30 01:26:22	domenkozar	seems like setupLogging only does log files
2018-10-30 01:26:35	@alanz	possibly. It does do that for ghc-mod stuff
2018-10-30 01:26:55	domenkozar	I feel that would work better with editor integration
2018-10-30 01:26:59	@alanz	and should be possible to set it up. I think if you don't pass a log setup through it defaults to stderr
2018-10-30 01:27:06	domenkozar	could log to atom dev toolbar then
2018-10-30 01:27:07	@alanz	see the MainHie.hs stuff
2018-10-30 01:28:20	@alanz	or haskell-lsp Core.setupLogger. If it gets a Nothing for the file, I think it goes to stderr
2018-10-30 01:28:55	domenkozar	yeah it does :)
2018-10-30 01:29:07	@alanz	http://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp-0.8.0.1/docs/src/Language.Haskell.LSP.Core.html#setupLogger
2018-10-30 01:46:09	domenkozar	perfect
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2018-10-30 02:57:01	@alanz	First signs of life from my incremental parser LSP server. Pure noop at this stage. https://gist.github.com/alanz/1802c60e4249cbcfc6092f48c11e4ad8
2018-10-30 02:58:42	@alanz	using https://github.com/alanz/incremental-play/
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2018-10-30 09:09:05	shafox	can someone merge this PR: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/915 
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2018-10-30 18:23:21	@alanz	loving the completions when filling in handlers and types for an LSP server implementation
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2018-10-30 18:41:06	jose_zap	this thing is getting really useful
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2018-10-30 18:44:20	@alanz	I am getting to the point that I switch from new-build to stack, because I miss hie.
2018-10-30 18:44:36	@alanz	Can't wait for dxld to finish the c-h stuff, so I can have the best of both
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2018-10-30 18:47:22	jose_zap	never tried new-build, what are the advantages?
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2018-10-30 18:49:25	@alanz	for a start, it does not rebuild all of the extra deps all the time
2018-10-30 18:50:06	jose_zap	does stack do that? Never noticed
2018-10-30 18:50:15	jose_zap	you mean across different project?
2018-10-30 18:50:37	@alanz	I often blow away my .stack-work dir, because I dont trust things when switching branches with git repos
2018-10-30 18:51:01	@alanz	and then it rebuilds all the stuff that is not in a snapshot, and stores it in .stack-work
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2018-10-30 18:51:11	@alanz	for haskell-lsp/types this takes a *long* time
2018-10-30 18:52:07	jose_zap	ah, definitely... it does rebuild after clearing stack-work
2018-10-30 18:52:20	jose_zap	I don't clean it as often, though
2018-10-30 18:53:25	@alanz	I'm kind of in the habit of cleaning, which is probably not needed most of the time. But I have had issues when changing branches, for get checkouts and builds
2018-10-30 18:53:56	@alanz	where it should rebuild a thing, and doesn't, so you end up accidentally running old code
2018-10-30 18:54:14	@alanz	I guess I am paranoid (experienced?) enough to want a clean baseline
2018-10-30 18:57:43	jose_zap	yeah, I remember that happened once to me. I run `stack clean` which I don't remember if it recompiles the extra-deps
2018-10-30 18:57:44	jose_zap	I'll check
2018-10-30 18:58:42	jose_zap	no, it does not do that. Maybe try using that command for a while and see if that solves your problem
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2018-10-31 14:32:46	jhrcek	alanz: Hi. Sorry submitted my comment before finishing it and closed the issue. One more try :) https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/903#issuecomment-434608648
2018-10-31 14:34:16	@alanz	well, don't close the issue, make a pull request, refer to the issue in it. When CI passes, and we merge the PR, it will get closed by github
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2018-10-31 14:36:54	jhrcek	alanz: I understand that workflow. It's just that I mistakenly clicked "Close and comment" instead of "Comment" button. But the question in that comment still stands :)
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2018-11-02 20:12:33	crobbins	alanz: does hie do any sort of caching, or is that up to the client?
2018-11-02 20:22:24	jose_zap	it caches a few things, like the results of a module type check, the list of language extensions, the list of visible modules...
2018-11-02 20:22:32	jose_zap	crobbins what did you have in mind?
2018-11-02 20:23:25	crobbins	what about names exported by a module?
2018-11-02 20:23:58	crobbins	currently i'm using ghc-mod in haskforce and would like to start moving towards using hie
2018-11-02 20:27:22	crobbins	jose_zap: for example, ghc-mod `browse -d System.IO` will output all of the names and their types exported from System.IO. Given library version X, we should be able to cache that list so we don't have to call out to ghc-mod again to query the info
2018-11-02 20:28:24	jose_zap	is that slow to get, though?
2018-11-02 20:29:33	crobbins	when you have to do that for a bunch of modules, yeah
2018-11-02 20:30:11	jose_zap	but you do that interactively, you browse one module, some time passes... then the next
2018-11-02 20:30:58	crobbins	i'm building up a list of imported names
2018-11-02 20:31:09	crobbins	and their types
2018-11-02 20:31:39	crobbins	ideally we could even figure out many of the parameter names as well
2018-11-02 20:31:50	jose_zap	ok, what do you plan to do with it?
2018-11-02 20:32:31	crobbins	currently using it for autocompletion
2018-11-02 20:33:13	crobbins	plan to also use it for showing parameter names/types
2018-11-02 20:33:57	jose_zap	having the names would be nice, we already show the types
2018-11-02 20:34:43	jose_zap	and we cache these for autocompletion: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/HieExtras.hs#L207-L213
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2018-11-02 20:40:07	crobbins	does it persist the cache or must it recompute it each time it starts up?
2018-11-02 20:40:21	crobbins	waiting for ghc-mod to start up is annoying
2018-11-02 20:40:32	crobbins	or rather, waiting for it to init the cache is annoying
2018-11-02 20:42:25	crobbins	if we could push more IDE stuff into HIE, i'd rather help contribute to that as opposed to implementing it in Java/Scala/JVMlang
2018-11-02 20:43:02	crobbins	that way haskforce can function more as a client and not worry about most of the tricky stuff
2018-11-02 20:44:40	crobbins	oh btw, i just discovered today that ghc-mod supports mapping files from stdin, does HIE support that as well? (or at least, mapping files via some sort of lsp method)
2018-11-02 20:45:25	jose_zap	it does it every time it starts up, actually it might even re-calculate it each time a module needs to be recompiled
2018-11-02 20:45:36	crobbins	ah ok
2018-11-02 20:46:31	crobbins	haskforce tries to cache most of it, and we could optimize it better if we *knew* that the module came from a (non-source) library
2018-11-02 20:46:54	jose_zap	it's actually quite snappy, in my experience. Maybe a couple seconds after you open the project in your editor, you can start getting autocompletions
2018-11-02 20:47:17	jose_zap	and stays snappy all the way
2018-11-02 20:52:41	crobbins	are there any plans for supporting jump-to-source?
2018-11-02 20:52:57	crobbins	since it already supports jump-to-definition, correct>
2018-11-02 20:52:59	crobbins	?
2018-11-02 20:53:40	@alanz	crobbins, haskforce is the new db type backend, iirc?
2018-11-02 20:54:01	@alanz	nope, intellij
2018-11-02 20:54:20	@alanz	Anything available in ghc-mod can be used in hie. 
2018-11-02 20:54:41	crobbins	is everything exposed via the lsp?
2018-11-02 20:54:49	@alanz	not at the moment
2018-11-02 20:54:50	crobbins	or must you use stdin to use ghc-
2018-11-02 20:54:58	crobbins	mod features
2018-11-02 20:55:08	@alanz	lsp is the only really supported interface.
2018-11-02 20:55:25	@alanz	there is the straight json one, but tbh I am not sure if it is used at all.
2018-11-02 20:56:02	@alanz	we had a guy integrating it into kdevelop using that, but I have not seen any activity for a long time
2018-11-02 20:56:10	@alanz	does intellij support lsp yet?
2018-11-02 20:56:26	crobbins	there is a plugin out that supports some of it
2018-11-02 20:56:38	crobbins	want to experiment with it and hie
2018-11-02 20:56:56	crobbins	but i think we need extensions to the lsp to support everything we want
2018-11-02 20:57:44	crobbins	type-info, download-library-sources, jump-to-source
2018-11-02 20:58:17	@alanz	well, as I tried to explain in my haskellx talk, there are plugin, which can easily expose commands
2018-11-02 20:58:40	@alanz	so having that stuff in the ui for all clients should be pretty easy, especially if it is built on existing ghc-mod stuff
2018-11-02 20:59:07	crobbins	is there a vid posted somewhere of the haskellx talk?
2018-11-02 20:59:35	@alanz	hold on
2018-11-02 20:59:44	 *	crobbins holds
2018-11-02 21:00:27	@alanz	https://skillsmatter.com/skillscasts/12439-haskell-ide-support-via-lsp
2018-11-02 21:00:39	@alanz	you need to register on the site to be able to watch it, unfortunately
2018-11-02 21:00:47	@alanz	basically just an email address
2018-11-02 21:01:16	crobbins	seems you can sign in via github oauth
2018-11-02 21:01:20	@alanz	yes
2018-11-02 21:02:46	@alanz	there are a lot of other good talks in those skillsscasts too
2018-11-02 21:08:47	crobbins	whoa you _can_ do jump to source, although, it does it via the browser?
2018-11-02 21:09:03	crobbins	at the very least we could just download to a tmp file and jump there in an IDE
2018-11-02 21:09:25	crobbins	so HIE already supports some sort of library/source resolution
2018-11-02 21:15:28	@alanz	crobbins, yes
2018-11-02 21:15:35	@alanz	and will be getting better in the future
2018-11-02 21:15:50	@alanz	the cross-project stuff is currently a problem
2018-11-02 21:16:09	@alanz	which should be tractable, if we build the right db, use hoogle, etc
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2018-11-02 21:40:56	crobbins	alanz: cross-project?
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2018-11-02 21:41:48	tsaka__	Im getting pretty tired of having the computer hard-freeze from running out of RAM due to HIE ... stackage has a nightly for GHC 8.6, will thtat fix it, and is there a stack-yaml somewhere?
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2018-11-02 21:55:27	@alanz	crobbins, when you have a dependency which has its own cabal file, the jump etc from the one to the other is not currently implemented
2018-11-02 21:59:24	crobbins	alanz: ah ok, so a multi-project build?
2018-11-02 21:59:54	crobbins	does the ghc-mod stuff work for multi-project builds?
2018-11-02 22:00:10	crobbins	fwiw, in haskforce i just use jump-to-definition on the AST level
2018-11-02 22:00:44	crobbins	not perfect, but works fairly well. maybe it plus HIE's jump-to-definition can fill in the gaps
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2018-11-02 23:03:00	@alanz	crobbins, I would appreciate if you could try a project with both, and if hie is lacking we can try to track down why
2018-11-02 23:03:17	@alanz	I know the cross-project jump is a huge gaping hole in functionality
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2018-11-04 03:16:50	Unode	Hi all. Using hie with vscode on nix with hie-wrapper and domenkozar's multi-hie bundle. When working with a new stack project I'm constantly seeing: http://dpaste.com/36035A0 and when I manually run that command cabal complains about some missing dependencies.
2018-11-04 03:17:42	Unode	Reading on the documentation it does state that I need cabal-install (which I do: cabal-install-2.2.0.0).
2018-11-04 03:18:16	Unode	Now given the missing dependencies error, does this mean that in order to use hie I need to install dependencies both with stack and cabal?
2018-11-04 04:43:31	domenkozar	huh why is it executing cabal for a stack project
2018-11-04 04:56:01	Unode	Hi domenkozar. I've seen this error pop-up in a couple of occasions.
2018-11-04 04:56:20	Unode	So far restarting vscode seem to have helped
2018-11-04 04:58:04	Unode	I still need to reproduce this properly but in at least two cases it happened after hie was OOM killed.
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2018-11-04 20:34:07	jose_zap	alanz are you around?
2018-11-04 20:34:44	@alanz	jose_zap, briefly
2018-11-04 20:34:55	@alanz	going out fairly soon
2018-11-04 20:35:04	@alanz	what's up?
2018-11-04 20:35:23	jose_zap	just a quick question, I was thinking about what would entail preserving the hover action when a module does not type check
2018-11-04 20:35:29	@alanz	domenkozar, cabal-helper needs to be able to invoke the "cabal" exe while working out what a project is
2018-11-04 20:35:39	jose_zap	would keeping the previous type checked module in a cache help?
2018-11-04 20:35:57	@alanz	jose_zap, I think it is supposed to do that already, provided it did typecheck at some previous point
2018-11-04 20:36:19	jose_zap	what breaks the ability to get hover information, then?
2018-11-04 20:36:27	@alanz	so if that is not working, it may have been broken by some refactor recently
2018-11-04 20:36:28	jose_zap	it works fine for autocompletion, but not for hover
2018-11-04 20:36:32	@alanz	I don't know
2018-11-04 20:36:44	domenkozar	alanz: ah!
2018-11-04 20:36:46	@alanz	it should use the same mechanism
2018-11-04 20:37:10	jose_zap	ok, good to know that this is how it is intended to be used
2018-11-04 20:37:14	@alanz	domenkozar, I know dxld is doing a major rewrite of things, so that may become simpler going forward
2018-11-04 20:37:15	jose_zap	I'll try to find out whjy
2018-11-04 20:37:21	@alanz	jose_zap, thanks
2018-11-04 20:37:52	@alanz	On my list is also why I dont get ghc-mod errors if the module does not type check. With -wall set
2018-11-04 20:39:45	jose_zap	I think I had fixed that
2018-11-04 20:39:53	jose_zap	you mean when having -wall and -werror ?
2018-11-04 20:40:00	jose_zap	or just -wall
2018-11-04 20:42:12	jose_zap	@alanz it is a neovim problem, I just tried it in vscode and works as intended
2018-11-04 20:42:57	@alanz	jose_zap, I would have to check, noticed it a few days ago, forget which project it was.
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2018-11-05 00:04:48	@alanz	jose_zap, I am loving the way you curate the issues
2018-11-05 00:05:09	jose_zap	thanks!
2018-11-05 00:05:16	jose_zap	this is one of my hobbies haha
2018-11-05 00:05:26	@alanz	makes it a lot easier for new people to jump in
2018-11-05 00:06:14	jose_zap	we got a new wave of contributors recently, so hopefully it is working
2018-11-05 00:07:05	jose_zap	now that you are here, "Provide Feedback when cabal-helper is being built": is that easy to detect?
2018-11-05 00:09:55	@alanz	I don't know, tbh
2018-11-05 00:10:11	@alanz	I think it appears in the *stderr*, which normally gets routed somewhere
2018-11-05 00:10:26	@alanz	you can see it if you nuke ~/.cache/cabal-helper
2018-11-05 00:11:01	@alanz	but it is particularly bad if you have a brand new compiler, so none of the Cabal versions exist in ~/.cabal, or wherever they end up
2018-11-05 00:11:44	@alanz	I think it should be a generalisation of what the rust language server does, I think. Or we must wait for LSP to catch up on ways of showing progress
2018-11-05 00:18:05	jose_zap	hmm, I see
2018-11-05 00:18:34	jose_zap	alanz what do you think of creating "projects" where we can group issues on what things need to improved?
2018-11-05 00:18:51	jose_zap	I often struggle trying to find a ticket I can work on to improve hie
2018-11-05 00:19:05	jose_zap	I'd love to have some sort of grouping showing the vision of what we would like to have
2018-11-05 00:19:17	@alanz	Sounds like a good idea, this thing is only going to get more complicated in time
2018-11-05 00:19:34	@alanz	do it
2018-11-05 00:20:11	@alanz	I was also thinking we should start doing a monthly "release", where we bump the version number and update the ChangeLog
2018-11-05 00:21:05	@alanz	So we can start getting into the rythm of releasing, for when we (finally) get onto hackage
2018-11-05 00:23:32	jose_zap	Ok, I'll start creting those projects in github. Incidentally, one of the projects I had in mind is to have binary releases
2018-11-05 00:23:57	jose_zap	from comments in reddit, I gather that installing hie is more effort for some people that what they expect
2018-11-05 00:25:02	@alanz	yes, because we build the world.
2018-11-05 00:25:15	@alanz	You can use hlint as a model of binary releases, btw
2018-11-05 00:25:28	@alanz	I know they set it up a few months ago
2018-11-05 00:26:04	jose_zap	nice
2018-11-05 00:26:51	jose_zap	I also have some experience doing binary releases in https://github.com/hadolint/hadolint so I'll take a look at what they do different
2018-11-05 00:28:37	@alanz	ok, whatever works, that was just an example
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2018-11-05 03:01:53	lukelau	alanz, jose_zap: +1 on the releases
2018-11-05 03:02:05	lukelau	Did we ever hear back about enabling travis CI again?
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2018-11-07 18:48:23	@alanz	with the new new-build support in ghc-mod/cabal helper I can *finally* run my HaRe GHC 8.6.1 tests
2018-11-07 18:48:59	@alanz	which starts giving me confidence that we can start bringing 8.6 support into hie, real soon now
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2018-11-07 18:58:14	jose_zap	wow, that's very exciting!
2018-11-07 19:03:09	@alanz	agree
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2018-11-07 19:19:06	lukelau	awesome
2018-11-07 19:20:03	lukelau	What had to be changed under the hood in ghc-mod?
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2018-11-07 19:29:37	@alanz	ghc-mod / c-h were actually close to done, but I did not want to dive in given dxld was busy reworking things
2018-11-07 19:30:21	@alanz	but then that other patch came available, and it seems the stuff dxld is doing will only work once a next version of cabal is released, I figured I would just dive in and do the necessary
2018-11-07 19:31:08	@alanz	I am now preparina 0.3.0.0 release, as a stable point, then want to land that
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2018-11-07 20:05:50	lukelau	are there any thoughts re: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/783#discussion_r231512594 ?
2018-11-07 20:06:29	lukelau	I’m surprised there weren’t more merge conflicts for a nearly 3 month old branch
2018-11-07 20:08:24	@alanz	I will have to take a look, with actual code in front of me. Busy juggling stack files at the moment
2018-11-07 20:08:44	@alanz	In principle it is ok, so long as we keep the PluginId newtype
2018-11-07 20:09:09	@alanz	surely is can go into the base types for hie-plugin or whatever? it is a standalone thing
2018-11-07 20:09:47	@alanz	or as you suggest
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2018-11-07 20:16:52	lukelau	I think PluginIdeMonads has become the base types for hie-plugin-api
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2018-11-07 20:22:31	@alanz	There is a reason why every project ends up with a Types.hs .. :)
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2018-11-07 21:04:42	lukelau	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/783/commits/f4bdcdaeabf06d7d746d17810f734ce763a30140?utf8=✓&diff=unified&w=1
2018-11-07 21:04:50	lukelau	Was the best I could think of at the moment
2018-11-07 21:05:24	lukelau	Everything depends on IdeM/IdeGhcM, its horrifically tangled up
2018-11-07 21:11:19	@alanz	lukelau, looks reasonable
2018-11-07 21:12:40	lukelau	Looking forward to filling out the changelog https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/928
2018-11-07 21:12:45	lukelau	We’ve come a long way!
2018-11-07 21:13:05	@alanz	I agree.
2018-11-07 21:13:25	@alanz	Too far to have a proper ChangeLog, since the last version bump. imho
2018-11-07 21:14:06	@alanz	But it has got to the point where I feel naked without hie, when I try to work on a thing
2018-11-07 21:14:41	@alanz	in fact, I have just re-built a clone of HaRe with GHC 8.4.4 so I can look up stuff using hie while working on the 8.6.1 stuff
2018-11-07 21:18:36	lukelau	Clone of HaRe?
2018-11-07 21:18:58	lukelau	Does HaRe not already work on 8.4.4 if HIE supports 8.4.4?
2018-11-07 21:19:43	@alanz	yes, but I want to run two instances, one compiled with ghc-8.6.1, one compiled with 8.4.4
2018-11-07 21:19:50	@alanz	in two separate emacs instances
2018-11-07 21:19:59	@alanz	against the same code base
2018-11-07 21:20:48	@alanz	At one time I had this cool setup where I had hie/stack giving me feedback for the old GHC, and build with cabal with the new one.
2018-11-07 21:21:04	@alanz	so the compile errors tell me new problems, and I get feedback about the old
2018-11-07 21:21:15	@alanz	which is good, with all the CPP floating round
2018-11-07 21:21:33	@alanz	but the tests done run with cabal
2018-11-07 21:22:52	@alanz	lukelau, I am sure there is a tool to make a release in GH with populates the changes somehow
2018-11-07 21:23:09	@alanz	I have never bothered, do not want to dive that deeply into gh
2018-11-07 21:44:18	lukelau	I’m just skimming them at the moment to pick out the important stuff
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2018-11-07 23:06:42	@alanz	ok
2018-11-07 23:09:58	@alanz	lukelau, thanks for that
2018-11-07 23:10:07	@alanz	I see circle is unhappy though
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2018-11-08 01:48:28	lukelau	alanz: rerunning those builds
2018-11-08 01:49:12	@alanz	ok, I have been focusing on HaRe tonight. The ones I tried locally worked, so it is weird
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2018-11-08 02:58:05	lukelau	alanz: those builds are passing now
2018-11-08 02:58:35	@alanz	I think circle is a bit dodgy at times
2018-11-08 02:59:00	@alanz	and I noticed hoogle generation was failing because hackage was not returning a tar file somewhere along the way too
2018-11-08 02:59:37	lukelau	That hoogle db is super flaky
2018-11-08 02:59:44	lukelau	*db step
2018-11-08 02:59:51	lukelau	I’m thinking it should be probably be cached anyway
2018-11-08 03:02:35	@alanz	yes
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2018-11-09 02:07:20	@alanz	so, 0.3.0.0 is out (on github), and the new-build version is being baked
2018-11-09 02:08:50	hexagoxel	alanz: and yes, i'll make a new brittany release. sorry for having so little time for brittany atm.
2018-11-09 02:09:24	@alanz	hexagoxel, no problem. I have an 8.6.1 branch that builds, using your brittany master as a submodule
2018-11-09 02:10:00	@alanz	but I have not been able to build it with stack, and have not dived into the requirements to get it to install via new-build so it can actually run
2018-11-09 02:10:08	@alanz	Have not tried that at all, tbh
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2018-11-09 02:12:25	hexagoxel	alanz: you mean the 8.6 branch, right? asking because i rebased that on top of master 4 days ago.
2018-11-09 02:13:55	@alanz	hexagoxel, probably, I forget. I know I looked at the network and it was the sane one
2018-11-09 02:14:18	@alanz	I don't have my branch active at the moment, messing around with the new-build stuff
2018-11-09 02:18:22	@alanz	hexagoxel, if you want to publish a new version, I am happy to use it
2018-11-09 02:18:44	@alanz	I am hoping to get hie with 8.6 support out real soon now
2018-11-09 02:21:11	hexagoxel	hmm i have not switched to 8.4.4 or 8.6.2 yet.. (neither locally nor the CI) but i suppose those don't cause problems.
2018-11-09 02:34:37	@alanz	well, 8.4.4 is basically 8.4.3 with a few bad bugs fixed
2018-11-09 02:34:47	@alanz	but not AST or other behaviour change
2018-11-09 02:35:15	@alanz	And with 8.6.2 being out, and 8.8 about to freeze, I reckon it is time to move on this stuff :)
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2018-11-11 08:29:27	lukelau	alanz: Created a release on github for 0.3.0.0 with macOS binaries
2018-11-11 08:31:00	lukelau	It was just done by hand, eventually it should move to CI. I’m not sure what the story is with the linux land binaries, but hopefully macOS and windows binaries should be universal enough
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2018-11-11 13:51:37	@alanz	nice
2018-11-11 15:54:27	@alanz	lukelau, btw, lsp-test doesn't compile with ghc-8.6.1
2018-11-11 15:54:33	@alanz	I am working on a patch atm
2018-11-11 15:55:08	@alanz	but doing it with explicit matching on the tests, rather than a MonadFail instance. Not sure if that is the right approach
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2018-11-11 18:50:43	lukelau	alanz: ah the constraints for haskell-lsp in lsp-test were wrong
2018-11-11 18:53:42	lukelau	Also just seeing the compiler errors now
2018-11-11 18:54:29	lukelau	I think I could make good use of MonadFail to properly cause the tests to fail with the proper exception instead of crashing now
2018-11-11 20:01:15	@alanz	lukelau, I think you are right, it simplifies writing tests
2018-11-11 22:54:09	lukelau	alanz: Trying to merge your PR but can’t seem to do so from my phone
2018-11-11 22:54:15	lukelau	“Pull requests that have a failing status can’t be merged on a phone.”
2018-11-11 22:59:50	@alanz	it is failing on some javascript tests, not sure if there are prerequisites missing?
2018-11-11 23:00:54	@alanz	no rush, I have enough on my plate with submodules, you can look at it when you get time. It is cpp protected changes that only affects GHC 8.6, so not sure what is up. Unless it is me bumping the lts to 12.17, and haskell-lsp to 0.8.0.1 (from 0.8.0.0)
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2018-11-12 19:14:08	domenkozar	https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix updated to hie 0.3.0.0
2018-11-12 19:17:18	@alanz	domenkozar, I just commented on that
2018-11-12 19:17:49	@alanz	it might be better to go a few commits on, we made 0.3.0.0 as a "stable" release before bringing in new-build support
2018-11-12 19:18:07	@alanz	Good to see the update thought
2018-11-12 19:18:22	domenkozar	yeah I saw that, I wanted to follow the stable path for now
2018-11-12 19:18:29	@alanz	my thinking is to do a periodic hie "release", probably once a month
2018-11-12 19:18:31	domenkozar	could do a PR with new-build support for testing
2018-11-12 19:18:33	@alanz	roughtly
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2018-11-12 19:21:38	domenkozar	alanz: btw I wonder why stack can't build using ghc 8.6?
2018-11-12 19:22:09	@alanz	it can now, on my latest branch
2018-11-12 19:22:36	@alanz	but there is a problem with Cabal 2.4, we can't access the cabal-helper-wrapper, as it now does per-component installs
2018-11-12 19:22:47	@alanz	and a lib can't find it's matching exe
2018-11-12 19:22:57	domenkozar	the multi-library support?
2018-11-12 19:23:08	@alanz	there is a fix coming, but must wait for the next (immininent?) cabal point release
2018-11-12 19:23:37	@alanz	hvr did point out the specific issue, but I forget which it was. It landed over the weekend, I gather
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2018-11-12 20:49:07	domenkozar	alanz: :)
2018-11-12 20:49:16	domenkozar	alanz: so for hackage release ghc-mod is the blocker?
2018-11-12 20:49:26	domenkozar	is there any word what's blocking release there?
2018-11-12 20:49:29	@alanz	yes
2018-11-12 20:49:46	@alanz	dxld is busy with a rework of it, which is getting close, I gather
2018-11-12 20:50:22	@alanz	but will only work from the next release of Cabal, as it uses the plan file generated by Cabal
2018-11-12 20:50:32	@alanz	which needed a tweak, which landed yesterday
2018-11-12 20:51:41	domenkozar	so we can expect ghc-mod release in a couple of weeks?
2018-11-12 20:53:27	domenkozar	alanz: any objections adding this reasoning to readme?
2018-11-12 20:54:10	@alanz	not at all. Just do not commit to a possible timeline for ghc-mod, I cannot speak for dxld
2018-11-12 21:11:28	domenkozar	ofc :)
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2018-11-12 23:00:29	lukelau	alanz: those javascript tests require the javascript-typescript-langserver to be installed
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2018-11-12 23:05:24	@alanz	lukelau, I figured it was something like that
2018-11-12 23:05:31	@alanz	doesn't circle have it?
2018-11-12 23:06:29	lukelau	It has that server but presumably its tripping up over the hie tests
2018-11-12 23:06:39	lukelau	They’re pretty outdated
2018-11-12 23:06:48	lukelau	Working on them at the moment, and bumping the version
2018-11-12 23:07:55	@alanz	ok, nice
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2018-11-13 03:15:23	dsturnbull	alanz: thanks for finishing off those PRs we submitted. using it now and it works pretty good :)
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2018-11-13 17:25:15	lukelau	alanz: New version of lsp-test out
2018-11-13 17:25:22	lukelau	https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/#/package/lsp-test
2018-11-13 17:26:00	@alanz	nice
2018-11-13 17:26:21	@alanz	matrix is a great sanity check
2018-11-13 17:26:28	lukelau	I agree
2018-11-13 17:26:40	lukelau	It would be nice if it supported the preview packages too
2018-11-13 17:26:43	@alanz	you should change the bounds on base to exclude 8.0.2
2018-11-13 17:26:49	@alanz	or, make it work there
2018-11-13 17:27:19	@alanz	you can do it with a revision on hackage, just make the change to your cabal file too, so you dont forget in future
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2018-11-13 18:31:07	@alanz	I see we can now "stack setup 8.6.1" and "stack setup 8.6.2"
2018-11-13 18:38:41	@alanz	and need to do "cabal new-repl --build-dep fail --with-compiler=ghc-8.6.2" to get cabal to create the 8.6.2 store package db
2018-11-13 18:41:49	@alanz	And https://www.stackage.org/nightly-2018-11-12 is the first to use it
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2018-11-13 19:44:09	jose_zap	what is that for alanz ?
2018-11-13 19:44:23	jose_zap	I'm not too familiar with new-build
2018-11-13 19:57:07	@alanz	jose_zap, cabal has a bug where it does not create the default setup for ghc 8.6.x, so you have to do that to force it to do that
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2018-11-14 01:40:35	lukelau	alanz: what does stack setup 8.6.1 do?
2018-11-14 01:41:04	@alanz	installs a version of GHC 8.6.1 so stack can compile with it
2018-11-14 01:41:33	lukelau	Ah right
2018-11-14 01:41:40	@alanz	btw, I just made a PR against lsp-test, basically adding a GHC 8.6.2 stack.yaml
2018-11-14 01:41:44	@alanz	which fails tests
2018-11-14 01:41:49	@alanz	as does hie using it
2018-11-14 01:41:51	lukelau	Ok will check it out
2018-11-14 01:42:12	@alanz	it seems it is not recognising things like waiting for specific messages
2018-11-14 01:42:26	lukelau	Looks like those package CI failures are coming from the test .cabal/stack.yaml files
2018-11-14 01:42:57	@alanz	very likely, I only just added that.
2018-11-14 01:43:10	lukelau	I would expect the typed code hole actions to fail though, since 8.6.1 includes those refinement holes
2018-11-14 01:43:31	lukelau	I’ll check out that branch and take a look
2018-11-14 01:43:59	@alanz	I just pushed my hie WIP branch
2018-11-14 01:44:36	@alanz	I run the test that fails (for me) by doing
2018-11-14 01:44:38	@alanz	stack --stack-yaml=stack-8.6.2.yaml test haskell-ide-engine:func-test --test-arguments "--match \"add package suggestion\""
2018-11-14 01:45:08	@alanz	but I see the messages appear in the log, but lsp-test is behaving as if it has not seen them
2018-11-14 01:45:22	@alanz	code actions expected, but not found
2018-11-14 01:45:41	@alanz	lukelau, no rush, if you have uni stuff to do
2018-11-14 01:47:15	lukelau	Thanks, I’ve got quite a few assignments coming up but 8.6.x is pretty exciting stuff
2018-11-14 01:50:23	@alanz	it is.
2018-11-14 01:51:22	lukelau	I presume cabal-helper got updated?
2018-11-14 01:51:27	@alanz	And hie is really close to supporting it, just these tests. And I need to confirm that the cabal stuff works, there is a problem with Cabal 2.4 with finding the cabal-helper-wrapper exe, we need to wait for the next cabal release
2018-11-14 01:51:32	@alanz	which is hopefully soon
2018-11-14 01:56:20	@alanz	yes, I spent a large chunk of last week/weekend on this 
2018-11-14 01:56:34	@alanz	only to be blocked at the end by the damn Cabal thing
2018-11-14 01:56:53	@alanz	well, it was merging the PR from the data61 guys
2018-11-14 01:57:24	@alanz	and beating it into shape
2018-11-14 02:14:38	lukelau	alanz: those tests are failing for me because somehow hie is detecting the test projects as 8.4.4?
2018-11-14 02:17:01	@alanz	In hie (and HaRe) we set up the stack.yaml files used for the test projects according to the current GHC version
2018-11-14 02:17:17	@alanz	you can see it in the tests/Main, or TestUtils
2018-11-14 02:17:30	@alanz	you probably need to do something similar
2018-11-14 02:18:20	lukelau	I can see that those generated stack.yaml files are using the correct resolver though
2018-11-14 02:18:24	lukelau	nightly-2018-11-11
2018-11-14 02:18:36	@alanz	or, the default in the project root is stack.yaml. which is 12.17, which is 8.4.4
2018-11-14 02:18:44	@alanz	on lsp-test
2018-11-14 02:19:23	@alanz	because your test data is just in a folder, no specific cabal file and stack.yaml
2018-11-14 02:19:38	lukelau	Should we be changing directory into each project folder?
2018-11-14 02:19:46	lukelau	I think lsp-test might be messing that up
2018-11-14 02:19:59	@alanz	so perhaps rename stack.yaml to stack-8.4.4.yaml, and symlink the other
2018-11-14 02:20:07	@alanz	yes, I am talking about lsp-test
2018-11-14 02:20:20	lukelau	Ah my bad
2018-11-14 02:20:26	lukelau	I’m thinking of the hie tests
2018-11-14 02:20:36	lukelau	They addpackage tests
2018-11-14 02:20:36	@alanz	I think it is running the tested projects against the lsp-test stack.yaml
2018-11-14 02:21:13	lukelau	That would make sense, would explain why the hie tests are also failing, since 8.4.4 is the resolver for hie’s root stack.yaml
2018-11-14 02:23:06	@alanz	but they pass for all the other tests we run? 8.2.1, 8.2.2, 8.4.1, ...
2018-11-14 02:23:10	@alanz	in hie
2018-11-14 02:23:51	@alanz	each test should be running in the testdata dir, which has its own stack.yaml and cabal stuff
2018-11-14 02:24:57	lukelau	Yeah
2018-11-14 02:25:13	lukelau	I just checked and lsp-test doesn’t actually run the server in the root directory
2018-11-14 02:25:20	lukelau	Going to see if I can make it do that now
2018-11-14 02:25:34	lukelau	And then maybe if it will fix the 8.6.1 hie tests
2018-11-14 02:25:47	lukelau	But it doesn’t explain as to why it passes for all the other versions?
2018-11-14 02:26:21	@alanz	no idea
2018-11-14 02:29:40	lukelau	So it looks like there’s no version mismatch for 8.4 and 8.2 https://2325-44727837-gh.circle-artifacts.com/0/root/build/test-logs/functional-hie-stack-8.4.4.yaml.log
2018-11-14 02:29:52	lukelau	Did cabal-helper change how it picks up cradles?
2018-11-14 02:30:17	lukelau	lsp-test sends on the rootDir in the initialize request to hie
2018-11-14 02:30:39	lukelau	Which should be enough for hie to pick up the correct stack.yaml, and looks like it was previously
2018-11-14 02:32:49	lukelau	But after checking, that mismatch error doesn’t go off of cabal-helper’s cradle, it just searches for a stack.yaml file in the current working directory
2018-11-14 02:33:21	lukelau	Disregard what I just said
2018-11-14 02:33:33	lukelau	There is version mismatching on 8.2
2018-11-14 02:33:35	lukelau	https://2324-44727837-gh.circle-artifacts.com/0/root/build/test-logs/functional-hie-stack-8.2.1.yaml.log
2018-11-14 02:36:26	@alanz	well, there are changes in c-h /ghc-mod that I merged in
2018-11-14 02:36:43	@alanz	but not to change that
2018-11-14 02:37:07	@alanz	And I am pretty sure that the directory passed in to hie has not been used in hie for months
2018-11-14 02:37:21	lukelau	the lsp rootdir?
2018-11-14 02:39:31	@alanz	the one passed in the protocol we use. I think
2018-11-14 02:39:58	@alanz	I lost track of that stuff tbh, it flip-flopped all over the place at one stage
2018-11-14 02:40:49	@alanz	there is the cwd where the hie exe is started, the dir passed in by the client, and the path leading up to the file being opened
2018-11-14 02:41:08	@alanz	And I have a feeling that last one is what matters
2018-11-14 02:41:45	@alanz	except we cd into dirs to run tests, so maybe not. Would have to investigate
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2018-11-15 11:27:51	@alanz	nice
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2018-11-16 04:28:33	lukelau	There’s a mention of hie plugins at the bottom here: https://alternativebit.fr/posts/haskell/ex-hack-alpha/
2018-11-16 04:29:03	lukelau	Oops nevermind, just saw the github issue
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2018-11-16 16:51:12	lukelau	Hi Gurkenglas, you use windows right?
2018-11-16 16:52:14	Gurkenglas	lukelau, yes
2018-11-16 16:52:24	Gurkenglas	should I try installing the latest versions and see what happens?
2018-11-16 16:52:50	lukelau	I was wondering if you have any free time if you would be interested in trying out the new `make dist` command
2018-11-16 16:53:02	lukelau	I’ve only ran it on mac and was curious to see if it worked on windows
2018-11-16 16:53:28	Gurkenglas	Instruct me. Just git clone and run "make dist" in there?
2018-11-16 16:54:31	Gurkenglas	(didn't you have CI set up for windows?)
2018-11-16 16:55:41	Gurkenglas	lukelau?
2018-11-16 16:56:55	lukelau	Gurkenglas: yeah, I think a git clone/git fetch yada yadda should be enough
2018-11-16 16:56:58	lukelau	And then just make dist
2018-11-16 16:57:38	lukelau	Ah sorry I forgot the PR wasn’t merged yet
2018-11-16 16:57:41	lukelau	It’s in this branch here
2018-11-16 16:57:41	lukelau	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/934
2018-11-16 16:58:10	lukelau	So cloning from here https://github.com/bubba/haskell-ide-engine/
2018-11-16 16:58:20	lukelau	and git checkout makefile-dist
2018-11-16 16:59:52	Gurkenglas	downloading ghc, will take a while
2018-11-16 17:27:27	Gurkenglas	lukelau, https://gist.github.com/Gurkenglas/4323c27fd135fc9fbed64208a11ccd1d I suppose it doesn't like that my C: is full
2018-11-16 17:29:26	Gurkenglas	but missing tput also looks bad
2018-11-16 17:30:38	Gurkenglas	added file to gist after freeing up some space, I suppose it doesn't like the command having previously run and failed
2018-11-16 17:32:17	Gurkenglas	(hmm stack exec -- rm -r /tmp/hie-makefile-dist-x86_64-CYGWIN_NT-10.0 to remove that manually requires ghc again which requires yet more space)
2018-11-16 17:37:44	@alanz	lukelau, I am happy for that patch to be merged
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2018-11-16 21:27:16	lukelau	Gurkenglas: thanks for running it, no idea what tput is. I presume stack is calling it?
2018-11-16 21:27:24	lukelau	alanz: ok will merge
2018-11-16 21:28:59	@alanz	ok
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2018-11-17 05:48:49	cah6	Hey all, I'm trying to set up HIE on my nix project with hie-nix, but when I load the project up in VSC (or atom, I believe) it throws: "Got error while processing diagnostics: <command line>: cannot satisfy -package-id aeson-1.3.1.1-IIws8ihD9EF7nr6Y0MCLpZ (use -v for more information)". I've tried running `cabal update/configure` beforehand, cleaning my directories, upgrading to newest hie-nix, etc.
2018-11-17 05:49:54	cah6	I believe it should be reproducible by cloning https://github.com/cah6/nix-test, running "nix-shell simple-shell.nix" and in there running "code ." with a regularly installed visual studio code w/ appropriate extensions
2018-11-17 05:51:18	cah6	Would really appreciate any tips...I'm pretty stuck now and don't know if I'm doing something fundamentally wrong here
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2018-11-17 06:32:56	infinisil	cah6: Well I can't build it like this: attribute 'hie' missing, at /home/infinisil/src/nix-test/shell.nix:26:7
2018-11-17 06:33:20	infinisil	Removing that line at least makes it evaluate, but then it wants to build a hundred haskell packages..
2018-11-17 06:34:51	cah6	Err yeah, `shell.nix` has whatever weird stuff I was trying to do to wire HIE into the project directly. `simple-shell.nix` has a minimal example, though
2018-11-17 06:35:58	cah6	which relies on globally installed hie84 with `nix-env -iA hie84 -f https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix/tarball/master`
2018-11-17 06:38:21	infinisil	cah6: Works for me!
2018-11-17 06:38:34	infinisil	cah6: One suggestion: Try clearing `~/.cabal`
2018-11-17 06:38:57	infinisil	And then maybe `cabal update` and/or `cabal configure` once more
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2018-11-17 07:04:41	cah6	infinisil: gahh, well at least I know it's something local then...tried out clearing then updating and configuring, same thing though
2018-11-17 07:04:50	infinisil	Hmm..
2018-11-17 07:05:12	cah6	actually, I might know...
2018-11-17 07:05:13	infinisil	cah6: You can `cabal build` the project just fine?
2018-11-17 07:07:25	cah6	yep, `cabal build` goes through fine. I thought -maybe- this was because I was using a global cabal install, so I tried adding `pinnedPkgs.haskellPackages.cabal-install` to my shell's buildInputs, but that didn't do anything different
2018-11-17 07:08:09	infinisil	cah6: Try with --pure too maybe
2018-11-17 07:08:28	cah6	ah, good idea
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2018-11-17 07:09:40	infinisil	cah6: And, when you do `env | grep GHC`, do you see 4 variables?
2018-11-17 07:10:21	infinisil	It does for me, so it should also for you I guess
2018-11-17 07:10:29	cah6	yep, they're there
2018-11-17 07:10:53	infinisil	Maybe also try disabling your overlays
2018-11-17 07:11:09	infinisil	(if you have the)
2018-11-17 07:11:13	infinisil	them*
2018-11-17 07:12:18	infinisil	I'm still using an older hie-nix btw though
2018-11-17 07:12:25	infinisil	Maybe that's why our behaviour differs
2018-11-17 07:12:26	cah6	do you mean in `.config/nixpkgs/config.nix`?
2018-11-17 07:12:43	cah6	hmm well I just upgraded to the newest yesterday, and I was seeing this same issue before
2018-11-17 07:13:32	infinisil	I'm still using 96af698f0cfefdb4c3375fc199374856b88978dc if you wanna try that one too
2018-11-17 07:17:07	cah6	suppose I might as well. do you know what would be the easiest way to wire in just that one to my shell?
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2018-11-17 07:26:10	cah6	actually, got it. but still throws the same thing :(
2018-11-17 07:33:19	infinisil	Hmm darn
2018-11-17 07:33:51	infinisil	I'm out of options
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2018-11-17 07:57:52	cah6	well, one thing I don't really understand: if HIE is built on top of ghc-mod, and it's built outside of the project, how does it know about project-specific packages? in this case aeson and specifically "aeson-1.3.1.1-Lq3qt0bucT8Ce9ru8xJuCI" provided by nix?
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2018-11-17 08:54:20	cah6	infinisil: ahh I finally got it! the version that you suggested did work -- I just hadn't updated my VSC to point to the shell provided one. thank you for all your help!
2018-11-17 08:54:54	infinisil	Ohhh humm.. Well this is bad that the current version doesn't work then :/
2018-11-17 08:55:45	cah6	yeah, that would be good to figure out. the newest is GHC 8.4.4 and the project is 8.4.3, should they be compatible?
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2018-11-17 09:18:20	infinisil	I sure hope so
2018-11-17 09:18:34	infinisil	Or maybe that's the problem actually
2018-11-17 09:18:53	infinisil	Ohhh, actually
2018-11-17 09:19:02	cah6	infinisil: ah, huh. I didn't think this would impact anything, but I wired up the newest HIE only for this project, like I did for the rev you gave me
2018-11-17 09:19:10	infinisil	I just recently tried to use my current hie version with an 8.4.4 project and I think I also got that error
2018-11-17 09:19:21	infinisil	So it probably really is this
2018-11-17 09:20:01	infinisil	Kinda disappointing..
2018-11-17 09:20:04	cah6	it did NOT give the same error as before (Got error while processing diagnostics), but it has some errors about "mismatched interface file versions (wanted "8044", got "8043")" on the code itself
2018-11-17 09:20:37	infinisil	Ah, that might have been the error I got yeah
2018-11-17 09:20:49	infinisil	Man, these incompatibilities are annoying
2018-11-17 09:24:06	cah6	yeah...I think in this case it's a combination of it acting differently when installed globally vs directly into my shell, and also mismatch between GHC versions
2018-11-17 09:34:22	cah6	is there even a nix channel tracking 8.4.4 now? I tried upgrading this repo to nixpkgs-unstable but it looks like the default there is still 8.4.3
2018-11-17 09:35:10	cah6	btw infinisil thanks so much for helping me figure this out!
2018-11-17 09:35:33	infinisil	cah6: No problem, glad I could help :D
2018-11-17 09:36:00	infinisil	cah6: It's 8.4.4 on master at least, I think the channels are a bit behind
2018-11-17 09:36:50	infinisil	Ah no it's 8.4.4 in nixpkgs-unstable and nixos-unstable as well
2018-11-17 09:38:18	infinisil	(nix eval nixpkgs.ghc.name -I nixpkgs=channel:nixos-unstable)
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2018-11-17 11:27:56	cah6	okay -- well just to follow up on above, I loaded the latest hie-nix into my project (rev a270d8d) with latest nixos-unstable (so that project is also on 8.4.4) and it initially failed with the similar "cannot satisfy -package-id aeson..." error, but that went away once I cleared out "~/.cabal" and did an update/configure with new shell
2018-11-17 11:30:41	cah6	just to note, another pain point with this was that once I opened up VSC and it fired HIE up in project, for some reason Cabal-2.4.0.1 had to be installed in that HIE process, which meant the UI on VSC didn't show anything until it was done with that
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2018-11-17 13:53:56	matheus23	Hi! I'm currently at MuniHac, and we're hacking along on elm-language-server, using haskell-lsp! :) We have an issue, however: We generate and send CodeActions. They get recognized in vscode and vim-lsp, (in that it appears as an option to choose from), but when trying to apply the action nothing happens. We send a CodeAction without a command, but with a WorkspaceEdit. We tried both a simple
2018-11-17 13:53:58	matheus23	TextEdit and the fancier one with the VersionedTextDocumentIdentifier. We've tried to take a look at the examples, but the hello-lsp example uses commands in code actions, no TextEdits, and we took a look at haskell-ide-engine code (since its code actions work), but we can't quite figure it out. Is there any setup we have to do before Code actions work?
2018-11-17 14:19:58	wz1000	matheus23: I think hie exclusively uses commands(which might be better for performance, as you don't have to calculate the edits when just returning code actions)
2018-11-17 14:20:32	matheus23	wz1000: hie seems to use commands for imports at least, yes
2018-11-17 14:21:12	matheus23	but I'm sorry guys! It has been resolved. We had this issue since yesterday, but we must have been way too tired to code properly :) We published an edit that selected a range that was 0 characters long
2018-11-17 14:21:16	matheus23	sorry guys!
2018-11-17 14:51:44	@alanz	matheus23, I'm glad to hear of another LSP being written using haskell-lsp.  And I look forward to having my Elm guys use it.
2018-11-17 14:54:47	matheus23	Its really early right now, but yes, I'd love getting somewhere with it :)
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2018-11-17 15:04:26	arianvp	heya
2018-11-17 15:04:51	arianvp	I'm trying to geet the vscode plugin to work. but on some projects cabal configure crashes and I'm trying to figure out why
2018-11-17 15:04:55	arianvp	is there a log somewhere?
2018-11-17 15:06:28	@alanz	arianvp, if you enable logging in the settings, it will write it to /tmp/hie.log, or the equivalent on your machine
2018-11-17 15:18:08	arianvp	what is "the settings"
2018-11-17 15:18:09	arianvp	?
2018-11-17 15:19:09	arianvp	I don't see an option for logging in the HIE vscode plugin
2018-11-17 15:19:39	arianvp	Is it "Tracing" ?
2018-11-17 15:20:57	arianvp	It shows the same error in the logs as in the UI, which isn't very enlightening
2018-11-17 15:21:18	arianvp	2018-11-17 10:49:54.353155876 [ThreadId 6] - <--2--{"jsonrpc":"2.0","params":{"type":1,"message":"Got error while processing diagnostics: readCreateProcess: cabal \"configure\" \"--with-ghc=ghc\" \"--flags\" \"\" (exit 1): failed"},"method":"window/showMessage"}
2018-11-17 15:21:45	@alanz	arianvp, that looks like the error when the hie version and the cabal version mismatch
2018-11-17 15:21:56	@alanz	what system ghc have you got installed?
2018-11-17 15:22:13	arianvp	GHC 8.4.3
2018-11-17 15:22:31	@alanz	The matchup currently works most reliably with stack, as we can get the ghc version from the resolver
2018-11-17 15:22:32	arianvp	but the HIE is at 8.4.4 but that shouldn't be an issue I guess?
2018-11-17 15:22:38	@alanz	that will be an issue
2018-11-17 15:22:46	arianvp	hmm
2018-11-17 15:22:55	arianvp	darnit
2018-11-17 15:23:02	arianvp	there's no 8.4.4 on nix I think
2018-11-17 15:23:19	arianvp	oh there is! gimme a sec
2018-11-17 15:23:19	@alanz	try installing just the hie-8.4.3 version
2018-11-17 15:24:01	@alanz	hopefully all this will be resolved when dxld gets the new shiny cabal-helper/ghc-mod done, with the extra support in the next Cabal release
2018-11-17 15:24:23	arianvp	okay I got the correct version now
2018-11-17 15:24:30	arianvp	but cabal process still crashes
2018-11-17 15:25:54	arianvp	whilst it does work when I run cabal configure in a shell
2018-11-17 15:26:28	arianvp	ooooh I see what's going on
2018-11-17 15:26:36	arianvp	this is a cabal 2.0 project
2018-11-17 15:26:38	arianvp	:/
2018-11-17 15:27:00	arianvp	so 'cabal configure' returns exit code 1 due to missing dependencies, as it should be executing `cabal new-configure` instead
2018-11-17 15:27:18	arianvp	does hie not work with cabal 2.0?
2018-11-17 15:27:46	matheus23	arianvp: its not supported yet, afaik
2018-11-17 15:32:37	@alanz	arianvp, it is supported with current hie master, which is not included in hie-nix
2018-11-17 15:32:57	@alanz	cabal 2.0 or cabal new-build?
2018-11-17 15:33:06	@alanz	because it does work with cabal 2.0
2018-11-17 15:33:15	@alanz	I think
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2018-11-17 21:16:07	cah6	arianvp: I've gotten bit by mismatched cabal a lot, I'd recommend adding cabal to your buildInputs for the project so correct one gets wired in, like in here https://github.com/cah6/nix-test/blob/master/simple-shell.nix
2018-11-17 21:17:01	cah6	also btw if you're on mac, VSC logs are in "~/Library/Application\ Support/Code/", and I think on Nix they're "~/.config/Code/logs". sometimes this can help give you some context around whatever the UI says
2018-11-17 21:18:17	cah6	I just tried newest HIE in that repo with 8.4.4 nix and got it working, "cabal configure" went through fine but the HIE process did have to build cabal for some reason
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2018-11-18 10:57:59	freeman42x]NixOS	run into this: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/947
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2018-11-18 14:57:27	benkolera	I don't know if there are any spacemacs+nix+hie people here, but I hacked together a spacemacs layer that seems to work well for my needs. If anyone is interested in such a thing free free to use it, copy it or yell at me for making something that doesn't quite work for you. Super rough edged atm (just whipped it up today) but it is a start. https://github.com/benkolera/spacemacs-hie-nix
2018-11-18 15:00:42	@alanz	benkolera, can you add a PR to the README pointing to that?
2018-11-18 15:01:21	benkolera	Which readme, sorry alanz ? In lsp-haskell?
2018-11-18 15:09:37	@alanz	haskell-ide-engine
2018-11-18 15:09:42	@alanz	benkolera, ^
2018-11-18 15:10:02	@alanz	Basically the line you just said, on the README
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2018-11-18 15:29:41	benkolera	Yeah, no problems alanz ! 
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2018-11-19 20:41:54	@alanz	I'm loving hie suggesting to add pragmas based on GHC errors
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2018-11-19 21:24:24	mxf	Hey *, I'd love to give hie another shot, does anyone here use it with Emacs?
2018-11-19 21:27:51	@alanz	mxf, I do, and use lsp-haskell with it
2018-11-19 21:27:59	 *	alanz but afk for next while
2018-11-19 21:28:11	mxf	alanz, is there a reason lsp-haskell.el doesn't "Package-Requires" lsp-ui?
2018-11-19 21:28:24	@alanz	PR please :)
2018-11-19 21:28:41	mxf	alanz, okay, will do :)
2018-11-19 21:51:50	mxf	well, after waiting for hie to compile almost 10% of stackage ;)
2018-11-19 22:07:27	mxf	At least I now have all streaming and lens and http libraries precompiled, so I guess it's a net win ;D
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2018-11-19 23:30:19	@alanz	mxf, fyi you can build for only a specific subset of ghc versions if you want to
2018-11-20 00:24:48	@alanz	I'm eating my own dog food on hie. Finding some bits that dont taste so good :(
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2018-11-20 01:44:10	mxf	alanz, yeah, I already did that (compiling only for 8.4.4). I don't envy you, that's a colossal project you have taken on (and anyone else involved). Thank you so much :)
2018-11-20 01:45:21	@alanz	mxf, very much scratching my own itch, good to see it getting useful though, and having people to jump in to help.
2018-11-20 02:07:03	benkolera	alanz: I've got a bunch of questions ranging from "how do we massage support for new-build all down the layers while keeping the API backwards compat to older cabals", to "is there some kind of feedback/backpressure built in to LSP to tell the editor that the server is busy crunching things rather than the editor spamming things till they time out" through to crazy and immediately unproductive things like "have
2018-11-20 02:07:03	benkolera	you considered an frp architecture in some distant future that may help plugins compose and depend on each other's time varied calculated state safely?". Is the docs dir and gh issues in hie the best place to go digging for the backstory and your plan? And the code of course. Already digging through that to figure out what I did wrong to not get hsimport code actions on missing imports (E.g add Data.Maybe (maybe)
2018-11-20 02:07:03	benkolera	if an unknown symbol maybe was found). 🙂 
2018-11-20 02:07:55	@alanz	benkolera, wow, what a list of questions :)
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2018-11-20 02:08:33	@alanz	the new-build support is wending its way along, helped by the weekend's MuniHac.
2018-11-20 02:08:35	benkolera	mxf: yeah I recently cooked up a spacemacs layer for it and have been using it for a little bit.
2018-11-20 02:09:18	benkolera	alanz: yeah sorry. If you can point me to stuff I can read instead of taking your time I am happy doing that! 
2018-11-20 02:11:08	@alanz	back-pressure is not an option, but we do have a queue in hie, feeding the single GHC session, and make sure that when a compile is done it then skips any intermediate saves and only works with the most recently receibed one 
2018-11-20 02:11:52	@alanz	And the long-term plan for that is at https://github.com/alanz/incremental-play/, based on https://www2.eecs.berkeley.edu/Pubs/TechRpts/1997/CSD-97-946.pdf
2018-11-20 02:12:35	@alanz	i.e. do incremental lexing / parsing initially, with a view to moving down the GHC pipeline as we understand things better
2018-11-20 02:14:42	@alanz	In terms of internal architecture, there are some docs on it in the hie repo, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/docs/Architecture.md
2018-11-20 02:15:11	@alanz	we already have a mechanism to compile via GHC once, and make the compiled artifacts available to plugins as needed
2018-11-20 02:16:04	@alanz	And I am considering using the hot loading model outlined by SimonM at the recent HaskellX keynote to load plugins from a config file
2018-11-20 02:16:18	@alanz	So each user can easily bring in their own custom ones.
2018-11-20 02:16:59	benkolera	That sounds neat! 
2018-11-20 02:17:17	@alanz	And the most likely reason you are not getting missing code imports is that your project is not currently buildable
2018-11-20 02:17:58	@alanz	which I hit my head on tonight too, leading to https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/951 and https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/950
2018-11-20 02:18:49	@alanz	but it is a tradeoff between making what we have solid, and adding new stuff.
2018-11-20 02:19:12	@alanz	It *is* pretty solid at the moment, but needs new-build support, which is inching along.
2018-11-20 02:19:20	mxf	benkolera, doing the same for doom-emacs right now :)
2018-11-20 02:19:36	@alanz	Well, master has it already, but the improved version is coming, real soon now^[tm]
2018-11-20 02:20:28	mxf	alanz, ooooh~ incremental-play looks sweet. I wondered when hie/ghc will get this after watching the Merlin (Ocaml's LPS server) talk and skimming the paper.
2018-11-20 02:21:00	mxf	errr, s/LPS/LSP/
2018-11-20 02:21:16	benkolera	Oh. I'm seeing pretty much everything work and it got past all the stages where it could not cabal configure and all that. If I tail the hie log in tmp, would I see such failure to build the project? I don't mind having to watch such things to get feedback for now. Gives me visibility and motivation to fix things. 
2018-11-20 02:21:26	@alanz	do you have a reference to that? I started lusting for this after seeing the talk on the F# roslyn compiler
2018-11-20 02:22:19	benkolera	Yeah, I get the need to balance shiny new things and getting things solid. Always hard. Hopefully I can take care of some of the boring things to help shiny things appear. :)
2018-11-20 02:22:23	@alanz	benkolera, if you can stack build it, or cabal build, and it is fine, then it should just work
2018-11-20 02:22:36	@alanz	sounds good
2018-11-20 02:22:41	benkolera	Yeah I can cabal build it. 
2018-11-20 02:23:06	mxf	alanz, https://arxiv.org/pdf/1807.06702.pdf and let me see if I can find the talk
2018-11-20 02:23:15	@alanz	normal cabal build? it might be that the imports are tied to hoogle and/or haddock, so you need to generate those dbs
2018-11-20 02:23:24	@alanz	mxf: thanks
2018-11-20 02:23:54	@alanz	saved to my Zotero :)
2018-11-20 02:24:52	benkolera	normal cabal build in the nix-shell, yup. The hoogle DB is on my list of things that is not working in nix yet. HIE can't find the one that nix has built. 
2018-11-20 02:24:53	mxf	here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjLL9We1Fxc
2018-11-20 02:25:31	@alanz	benkolera, you must use hie-nix, from domenkozar. It is in the hie README
2018-11-20 02:25:42	benkolera	Yup. I'm doing that. 
2018-11-20 02:26:19	benkolera	I am getting everything *mostly* working. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Sa5pTlSN/1542601564.png
2018-11-20 02:27:05	@alanz	why is it not interpreting that markdown?
2018-11-20 02:27:26	@alanz	What emacs version are you using?
2018-11-20 02:27:58	@alanz	because lsp-mode prefers emacs 26
2018-11-20 02:28:03	benkolera	I have no idea yet. It's on my list. Emacs 26.1
2018-11-20 02:28:03	@alanz	for the overlay supprt
2018-11-20 02:28:16	mxf	alanz, I think yi also has incremental parsing IIRC, but I doubt that will be of much use?
2018-11-20 02:28:32	@alanz	I think the yi incremental stuff rotted, and got ripped out
2018-11-20 02:28:41	mxf	ah, that's a shame
2018-11-20 02:29:00	@alanz	But that was when I last looked about a year ago, maybe something has changed in the meantime
2018-11-20 02:29:14	@alanz	But incremental lexing et al is pretty difficult
2018-11-20 02:29:24	mxf	yeah, but check out the talk/paper on Merlin, sounds like they are really pushing in the right direction.
2018-11-20 02:30:12	@alanz	yes, it is the direction all compilers should be taken. Pioneered by F# and Clang, which treat the compiler as a library and the IDE as a first-class user
2018-11-20 02:30:30	@alanz	should be taking.
2018-11-20 02:30:35	@alanz	Are starting to take.
2018-11-20 02:31:11	@alanz	And my mountain I am trying to climb is to make GHC into one of those
2018-11-20 02:31:41	benkolera	Ed was playing around with that in ermine, I think. Or a language that he wrote, anyway. :)
2018-11-20 02:31:48	@alanz	Which is likely to be a multi-year process
2018-11-20 02:32:00	@alanz	yes, he wrote a language specifically for LSP.
2018-11-20 02:32:06	@alanz	coda, or some such
2018-11-20 02:32:16	benkolera	Typical Ed answer of "my IDE sucked so I wrote a new programming language". XD
2018-11-20 02:32:47	@alanz	He is doing some interesting stuff with location management, which he tried to explain to me at ICFP in Oxford but it shot straight over my head
2018-11-20 02:33:41	@alanz	https://github.com/ekmett/coda
2018-11-20 02:34:02	benkolera	I know that feeling! :)
2018-11-20 02:34:16	@alanz	But you need a degree in math / category theory to understand that code
2018-11-20 02:34:38	@alanz	Or take enough time, playing with it, to build up the intuitions
2018-11-20 02:35:54	@alanz	Anyway, I want to go back to finding/writing an appropriate representation of a versioned tree in haskell, as used in that doc. And in tree-sitter.
2018-11-20 02:36:30	mxf	Exciting :)
2018-11-20 02:37:07	@alanz	yes. My approach is to do naive implementations until it works, then see how I can refactor it.
2018-11-20 02:37:19	@alanz	So trying to recreate the API as step one
2018-11-20 02:37:39	@alanz	I figure there are enough clever people who can point out better approaches, once we have one that works
2018-11-20 02:39:39	benkolera	Sounds like a good plan. 
2018-11-20 02:40:00	mxf	so I guess I will have to watch your incremental-play repo :)
2018-11-20 02:40:43	benkolera	mxf: an aside. I've been meaning to try doom emacs for a while since I really just want vim with magit and projectile. Is it worth the switch from spacemacs? 
2018-11-20 02:41:34	@alanz	what is doom emacs? I used to run spacemacs, then switched back to vanilla, with a config that I beat into shape. And using evil mode
2018-11-20 02:42:28	benkolera	Doom emacs is like spacemacs but just vim. It's a prebaked prelude that is even more vim like than spacemacs, from my understanding. 
2018-11-20 02:42:55	benkolera	https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs
2018-11-20 02:43:21	mxf	benkolera, IMHO yes. It's a lot snappier and do to being a lot more opinionated things really just work together. Make sure you check out the develop-branch. The Discord channel is incredibly helpful and nice, too.
2018-11-20 02:43:45	benkolera	My main anger at spacemacs was the haskell layer, but now that I've forked that for lsp-haskell, I'm worried a lot less about that. ;)
2018-11-20 02:43:45	mxf	s/do/due/
2018-11-20 02:44:09	mxf	projectile is still slow, though ;)
2018-11-20 02:44:13	benkolera	Haha, I'm tracking spacemacs develop too. Seems to be the way things go. 
2018-11-20 02:44:32	@alanz	I got upset with the completion stuff, prefer vanilla completiong. In the M-x buffer, that is
2018-11-20 02:44:47	mxf	And the code feels a lot easier to digest.
2018-11-20 02:44:54	benkolera	Oh, you can turn off helm alanz . 
2018-11-20 02:45:21	mxf	as in more organized.
2018-11-20 02:45:31	@alanz	ok, I turned it off by ditching spacemacs in its entirety
2018-11-20 02:45:39	@alanz	it started feeling too unwieldy to me
2018-11-20 02:45:41	benkolera	That works too. :)
2018-11-20 02:47:28	benkolera	mxf: Let me know when your lsp-haskell doom emacs layer is working. I'm weird and would need to fork it for nix-shell /sandbox support, but it would be handy to try! 
2018-11-20 02:48:05	benkolera	(if you are happy sharing it, of course. :)
2018-11-20 02:49:18	mxf	benkolera, yeah, of course, trying to send a PR to doom-emacs, too. (when I get around to it, maybe I should stop doing 3 things at once ;)
2018-11-20 02:49:35	benkolera	This is where I got to for the spacemacs one. Not much there: most of it is lsp haskell doing the lifting and gluing everything together) https://github.com/benkolera/spacemacs-hie-nix
2018-11-20 02:50:54	benkolera	Yeah, tell me about it. I have too many things to do at the moment than to want to change emacs preludes, but that likely wont stop me. Silly brains. 
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2018-11-20 03:08:27	mxf	benkolera, thanks a lot for your repo, that helps a lot with the keybindings :)
2018-11-20 03:09:53	benkolera	That's just stolen from the spacemacs layer and some things that Sam created in his gist. There are certainly unnecessary things in there and important lsp things missing! :)
2018-11-20 03:10:36	benkolera	I don't know enough about the lsp ui to know what I'm missing out on there. But it's a decent start.
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2018-11-20 05:05:19	benkolera	Oof. I hadn't realised that ghc-mod can't deal with minor version differences of ghc (8.4.4 vs 8.4.3) but it makes sense why. Having a globally installed hie is just not gonna work if you are pinning nixpkgs per project as in that case you really should pin a commit of hie-nix and bring that in to the shell.nix. I'm going to reword the instructions on my layer, at least, but should I document this elsewhere too.
2018-11-20 05:05:19	benkolera	In hie-nix or hie itself? domenkozar ?
2018-11-20 05:05:46	benkolera	Btw, thanks for hie-nix! Do you need any help keeping that running or is it all pretty automated?
2018-11-20 05:06:20	infinisil	benkolera: Updates are manual, update automation would be appreciated
2018-11-20 05:06:29	infinisil	(I once updated it, which is why i know)
2018-11-20 05:07:01	infinisil	benkolera: And yeah, the minor version incompatibility is not very nice :(
2018-11-20 05:07:41	benkolera	I understand why, but for some reason it surprised me and made me rethink how I was installing hie-nix. 
2018-11-20 05:07:58	infinisil	Currently struggling with this problem as well, still not sure what I'm gonna do
2018-11-20 05:08:29	benkolera	I figure each project needs a hie-nix in their shell env. 
2018-11-20 05:08:54	benkolera	You already have to run hie-nix in the project shell env anyway. 
2018-11-20 05:09:29	benkolera	And then by pinning each project at a known working hie-nix sha, it should all be happy for each project. 
2018-11-20 05:09:45	infinisil	What would be best imo is to have a mapping `ghc version -> hie version that works + instructions to have a nix build` somewhere. Then to provide a function for selecting and combining those, along with a hie-wrapper that selects that exact correct version
2018-11-20 05:10:27	benkolera	Ahh yes, but then you'd lose the cachix caching and have to build your own cache. 
2018-11-20 05:10:45	infinisil	Just cache every version specific build?
2018-11-20 05:11:11	infinisil	Nix can combine them just fine in a small wrapper that doesn't need to be in a cache
2018-11-20 05:11:40	benkolera	Oh, so you mean exploding hie-nix into every minor version as well? Yeah. Just more work on the hie nix side. 
2018-11-20 05:12:00	infinisil	Yeah, something like that
2018-11-20 05:13:49	infinisil	benkolera: But yeah, maybe project-pinned would be better, you have more guarantees in the long run
2018-11-20 05:14:03	infinisil	E.g. can just check out an older version and hie will still do the thing just fine
2018-11-20 05:14:24	infinisil	But of course, could get you a lot of rebuilds if you pin the hie build to your projects nixpkgs version
2018-11-20 05:14:40	infinisil	And that's even worse the more projects you have, unless you keep them all at the same nixpkgs revisions..
2018-11-20 05:22:39	benkolera	Me pinning hie-nix at a sha and moving nixpkgs and hie-nix forward in tandem when they agree on compiler version is probably fine for now. Will cache OK and not that much of a hassle. Reproducability is more important than a little bit of version bumping manual labour. :)
2018-11-20 05:23:56	benkolera	But it would probably be still nice to build the whole matrix if caching it isn't a severe cost on cachix *and* that's all automated. Doing that by hand would be crazy. :)
2018-11-20 05:33:30	benkolera	hie-wrapper would all work out ok with hie-8.4.4 and hie.8.4 around. Right now the issue is that hie-nix is just providing hie-8.4. Installing every permutation globally and finding it with hie-wrapper feels like such a non-nixy solution, but it would work and not annoy coworkers by putting stuff that they don't care about in shell.nix s everywhere. Hmm. :)
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2018-11-20 05:37:25	infinisil	benkolera: You could hide hie behind a shell argument
2018-11-20 05:38:33	infinisil	You could even build an emacs version (or vim or whatever) with just the right stuff install and that hie version loaded just for the project, so anybody can just use that for development if they want :P
2018-11-20 05:38:43	infinisil	s/install/installed
2018-11-20 05:39:13	benkolera	Yeah. Then I need to make all of my hacky emacs stuff take additional args and work well with being overidden by .dir-locals. I think I'll see if I annoy people first. 
2018-11-20 05:39:29	benkolera	Yeah, spacemacs makes that super hard. 
2018-11-20 05:40:17	benkolera	vscode actually makes that easier than an emacs with spacemacs. Brian McKenna and I were getting angry about that just yesterday.  
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2018-11-20 07:33:24	teto	infinisil: I changed my shell.nix to use shellFor and benefit from your changes, yet I have problems with hie. Would you happen to have an idea for https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/949 ?
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2018-11-20 07:53:25	teto	Also despite using shellFor {   withHoogle = true;} , hie still can't find the hoogle database. Seems like $NIX_GHC_DOCDIR destination does not exist
2018-11-20 08:02:09	benkolera	teto: commented on that issue but gotta run now! :)
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2018-11-20 10:28:17	teto	benkolera: thanks. It does seem to help/fix it.
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2018-11-20 22:13:03	lukelau	alanz: Creating a PR to add lsp-test to stackage, would you like me to add haskell-lsp-types too?
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2018-11-20 22:14:04	lukelau	Still need to fix where it’s acting wrong with hie-8.6, but at least it builds now
2018-11-20 23:03:34	@alanz	lukelau, sounds like a good idea
2018-11-20 23:24:12	@alanz	lukelau, haskell-lsp and haskell-lsp-types are both in the current 8.6.2 nightly
2018-11-20 23:26:21	lukelau	I see haskell-lsp is in build-constraints.yaml but couldn’t find haskell-lsp-types
2018-11-20 23:26:29	lukelau	Do subpackages get exposed automatically?
2018-11-20 23:27:06	@alanz	no idea, I just looked at https://www.stackage.org/nightly and did a search for it
2018-11-20 23:27:16	@alanz	I suspect I may have added them at some time. 
2018-11-20 23:27:30	@alanz	But I think they have both been there for quite a while
2018-11-20 23:27:45	@alanz	BTW, I am considering breaking out some kind of LSP-middleware
2018-11-20 23:27:45	lukelau	AH ok
2018-11-20 23:27:55	lukelau	Which parts?
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2018-11-20 23:28:03	@alanz	which is essentially hie, without the specific plugins, and the GHC stuff
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2018-11-20 23:28:25	@alanz	So you can roll an implementation by adding a compiler to the monad, and plugins
2018-11-20 23:28:33	lukelau	Also should lts-12.19 not have included haskell-lsp-0.8.0.1, not haskell-lsp-0.2.2.0?
2018-11-20 23:28:38	lukelau	Thats a good idea
2018-11-20 23:28:57	lukelau	hie is fairly language agnostic as is
2018-11-20 23:29:04	@alanz	I think lets-12.19 is limited by dependencies
2018-11-20 23:29:06	lukelau	the liquid plugin being a good example
2018-11-20 23:29:10	@alanz	mainly ghc-mod/cabal-helper
2018-11-20 23:29:31	@alanz	I know, that is why i thought of doing that. Help other language server devs
2018-11-20 23:29:52	@alanz	and make it clearer what is language-specific, and what is server management
2018-11-20 23:31:57	lukelau	It would also be nice to untie IdeGhcM from the rest of everything
2018-11-20 23:32:30	lukelau	hmm no one’s taken the package name lsp on hackage yet…
2018-11-20 23:33:29	@alanz	I was thinking of calling it lsp-engine, or something like that
2018-11-20 23:33:56	@alanz	lsp-middleware
2018-11-20 23:34:09	@alanz	lsp-server-provider
2018-11-20 23:34:33	@alanz	To be honest I have only just started thinking of names
2018-11-20 23:34:48	@alanz	wz1000, ping
2018-11-21 00:49:17	wz1000	hey
2018-11-21 00:49:21	wz1000	alanz: pong
2018-11-21 00:50:01	@alanz	wz1000, I just wanted to check, your GSOC stuff will be in 8.8?
2018-11-21 00:50:11	wz1000	yes, hopefully
2018-11-21 00:50:22	@alanz	is it in master?
2018-11-21 00:50:27	wz1000	not yet
2018-11-21 00:50:42	@alanz	what is holding it back? What is the phab diff?
2018-11-21 00:51:27	@alanz	I see the Hi Haddock stuff is also waiting on something
2018-11-21 00:51:32	wz1000	D5239
2018-11-21 00:52:00	@alanz	found it
2018-11-21 00:52:43	wz1000	I've been a bit busy with school stuff, but my exams end next week, so I can get back into it
2018-11-21 00:54:02	@alanz	well, as bgamari says, you are expected to be busy now, so don't sweat that
2018-11-21 00:54:43	@alanz	I wonder if we can persuade people to see this as a "Tech preview", to get feedback from the wider community
2018-11-21 00:54:58	@alanz	which is doublespeak for push it in as is :)
2018-11-21 00:55:23	wz1000	It it pretty much done, all that remains is figuring out the versioning
2018-11-21 00:55:55	@alanz	I reckon the most important thing for that is to have something at the beginning identifying the compiler that generated it
2018-11-21 00:56:04	wz1000	yeah
2018-11-21 00:56:25	@alanz	That is the minimum, because it is then an index into the fixed generator of it
2018-11-21 00:56:26	wz1000	I don't think we need to worry about compatibility across compiler versions
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2018-11-21 00:56:51	wz1000	since it uses Binary for serialization anyway
2018-11-21 00:57:16	@alanz	Agree, and we can use these things as input to some kind of external generalizer, to e.g. put it into a db that HIE itself can use
2018-11-21 00:57:32	wz1000	yeah
2018-11-21 00:57:48	@alanz	so it can manage reading for each supported GHC version
2018-11-21 00:58:07	wz1000	Generating local definition aware completions should also be very easy using this format
2018-11-21 00:58:18	@alanz	good
2018-11-21 00:58:26	wz1000	Since I made sure to annotate all bindings with scope information
2018-11-21 00:58:38	@alanz	I am looking forward to finding stuff in libraries, other modules, etc
2018-11-21 00:58:41	@alanz	nice
2018-11-21 00:59:11	@alanz	I have not looked into the detail, to be honest. Since I was pretty sure you and the mentors would be doing the right thing
2018-11-21 01:01:34	wz1000	hows hie for 8.6 coming along?
2018-11-21 01:02:29	@alanz	I have a branch that runs. But it has a problem with Cabal 2.4, which can't install the cabal-helper-wrapper exe in a place that cabal-helper lib can find it
2018-11-21 01:02:45	@alanz	as it installs them in different (isolated) places in the store
2018-11-21 01:03:10	@alanz	and apparently a new 2.4 point release is imminent (has been for 2 weeks now :( ), so waiting for that
2018-11-21 01:03:58	@alanz	Otherwise I need to do some sort of kludgy thing, with search paths and the like, but that is likely to recreate all the grief that cabal-helper is intended to solve, with version mismatches and whatnot
2018-11-21 01:04:17	wz1000	hmm. I also built your new-build branch recently(for 8.4.4), using new-install, and I have to export cabal_helper_libexecdir=~/.cabal/bin to get it to run
2018-11-21 01:04:31	wz1000	is this the same thing?
2018-11-21 01:04:54	wz1000	btw, I'm giving a talk on hie etc. in a few weeks
2018-11-21 01:04:57	@alanz	I think so
2018-11-21 01:05:01	@alanz	nice, where?
2018-11-21 01:05:07	wz1000	FunctionalConf
2018-11-21 01:05:20	@alanz	that's the one in Goa? 
2018-11-21 01:05:21	wz1000	in Bangalore
2018-11-21 01:05:49	@alanz	ok. I remember there being a really good one in India in December, must be this one
2018-11-21 01:06:41	wz1000	so did the simon marlow stuff in 8.6 help with the memory issues at all?
2018-11-21 01:07:26	@alanz	I have not run the 8.6 stuff properly yet
2018-11-21 01:07:50	@alanz	I got it to the point where I ran into the install problem, then decided to leave it
2018-11-21 01:08:17	@alanz	In favour of working on the incremental parsing stuff, which I last touched a year ago
2018-11-21 01:08:54	@alanz	And I am now inching forward on that. 
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2018-11-21 01:09:14	@alanz	I'm excited, because it is a natural fit into the LSP/VSP model
2018-11-21 01:09:33	@alanz	Just a lot still to do
2018-11-21 01:09:52	wz1000	how do you plan to deal with stuff like unbalanced parenthesis and quotes etc?
2018-11-21 01:10:03	wz1000	won't they invalidate the entire ast?
2018-11-21 01:10:12	@alanz	I plan to use the actuall GHC lexer/parser
2018-11-21 01:10:33	@alanz	And keep the last successfully parsed version, as we do now
2018-11-21 01:10:49	@alanz	So report syntax errors until they are fixed, then move on to the next stages
2018-11-21 01:11:06	@alanz	As was being done 20 years ago already. https://www2.eecs.berkeley.edu/Pubs/TechRpts/1997/CSD-97-946.pdf
2018-11-21 01:11:38	@alanz	And there was a talk at strangeloop on it too, for a thing called "tree-sitter", that is also based on that
2018-11-21 01:11:42	@alanz	And now live in atom
2018-11-21 01:12:01	@alanz	a github project
2018-11-21 01:12:29	wz1000	neat. I remember seeing the atom stuff somewhere
2018-11-21 01:13:00	@alanz	I think they started working on it around the time I did. But just carried on, and got somewhere
2018-11-21 01:13:12	@alanz	nice to see it validated.
2018-11-21 01:13:45	@alanz	And it is based on standard pieces underneath, and since alex and happy are based on the standard dragon book algorithms, it applies directly
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2018-11-21 01:15:45	wz1000	we should also make some sort of hie-ghci client that hooks into the already running hie process
2018-11-21 01:16:43	wz1000	hmm, they have haskell bindings: https://github.com/tree-sitter/haskell-tree-sitter
2018-11-21 01:16:45	@alanz	yes, the REPL is one of the biggest outstanding unkowns
2018-11-21 01:17:09	@alanz	yes, but that is aiming for something different. Giving modal feedback in an editor
2018-11-21 01:17:32	@alanz	My goal is more ambitious, modify GHC to be able to run in incremental mode
2018-11-21 01:18:02	@alanz	so we can get really fast feedback on edits as they happen. Only need to do lexing, parsing, renaming, typechecking
2018-11-21 01:18:15	@alanz	the rest is not needed for feedback
2018-11-21 01:18:34	@alanz	And doing lexing/parsing will help already
2018-11-21 01:18:41	wz1000	but if there is TH we need codegen, right?
2018-11-21 01:19:12	@alanz	I guess. But TH slows the hell out of things anyway
2018-11-21 01:19:29	@alanz	so you generally want to isolate it into sub-bits.
2018-11-21 01:19:47	@alanz	Anyway, that is still a long way away, aiming for the simplest setup first
2018-11-21 01:19:59	@alanz	plain files, no CPP, no TH
2018-11-21 01:20:40	@alanz	BTW, I was referred to the Ocaml LSP yesterday, which is incremental. Merlin.
2018-11-21 01:20:45	@alanz	Let me dig out the refs
2018-11-21 01:21:30	@alanz	Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjLL9We1Fxc
2018-11-21 01:22:16	@alanz	http://arxiv.org/abs/1807.06702
2018-11-21 01:23:20	@alanz	Was presented at last ICFP
2018-11-21 01:26:16	@alanz	wz1000, what is the title/abstract of your talk at FunctionalConf?
2018-11-21 01:27:16	@alanz	Found it https://confengine.com/functional-conf-2018/proposals
2018-11-21 01:27:27	@alanz	Damn, that looks like a good line up of proposals
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2018-11-21 10:49:11	teto	hie --help shows "enable ekg collection ", couldn't the acronym be expanded (if it is one ?), I have no idea what this is
2018-11-21 10:51:34	mankyKitty	pretty sure it's referring to this sort of shenanigan http://hackage.haskell.org/package/ekg ... 
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2018-11-21 11:00:01	teto	mankyKitty: thx 
2018-11-21 11:00:18	teto	ignore if that's out of scope, I am trying to run hie with nix but it seems like hie doesn't see the same environment as ghc/runghc as both don't give the same errors  https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix/issues/27#issuecomment-440535771
2018-11-21 11:05:07	benkolera	teto: Is hie-wrapper being run in nix-shell?
2018-11-21 11:05:40	benkolera	What happens when you run a `cabal configure` in the nix shell that it is running in?
2018-11-21 11:29:07	teto	benkolera: I replaced hie with hie-wrapper as the lsp provider in my neovim configuration. Still the same behavior.  cabal configure mostly does "Configuring netlink-pm-1.0.0.." which is my custom package
2018-11-21 11:30:39	benkolera	But you would need to run hie/hie-wrapper in the nix shell. The tools wont do that for you. 
2018-11-21 11:31:36	benkolera	As in, you may need to tell the vim lsp to run `nix-shell --command "hie-wrapper ..."`
2018-11-21 11:32:25	benkolera	It sounds like that part isn't happening. 
2018-11-21 11:32:57	benkolera	None of the tools here are nix friendly. It's the wild west and we are all on our own to fend for ourselves. ;)
2018-11-21 11:33:49	benkolera	I'm trying to make this stuff a bit easier, but I only just started. 
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2018-11-21 11:35:14	teto	benkolera: right I get it, let me try
2018-11-21 11:35:21	lmy9900	who can help me？
2018-11-21 11:35:37	lmy9900	The following package identifiers were not found in your indices: ghc-boot-8.4.4 Possible candidates: ghc-boot-8.4.3, ghc-boot-8.4.1, ghc-boot-8.4.2.
2018-11-21 11:35:47	teto	will try with a shebang that runs the nix-shell
2018-11-21 11:36:27	lmy9900	I am going to collapse.
2018-11-21 11:36:37	benkolera	teto: Just be careful that vim is running it in the right directory. If it runs it in the same dir as the haskell file it may not work. 
2018-11-21 11:37:05	benkolera	I know emacs's working dir jumps all over the shop so you have to be more careful there. 
2018-11-21 11:37:20	benkolera	lmy9900: Hmm. I haven't seen that error before. 
2018-11-21 11:38:15	 *	lmy9900 I really want to go crazy, unload reload, unload reload
2018-11-21 11:38:48	lmy9900	i need a ghc-mod
2018-11-21 11:38:58	benkolera	lmy9900: Is that possibly a mismatch between the ghc version you have and the one hie-wrapper is running? ghc-boot ships with ghc?
2018-11-21 11:39:29	teto	benkolera: If I get it working, I will surely help you. I guess we would need a wrapper that takes into account the NIX_GHC_ variables and pass them to hie/run hie with the correct ghc program
2018-11-21 11:39:46	teto	isn't it possible to run hie with a specific ghc ? I remember a PR about it
2018-11-21 11:40:28	teto	hum just an issue in fact https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/942
2018-11-21 11:41:28	benkolera	Yeah ghc-boot 8.4.4 ships with ghc 8.4.4 . Which ghc do you have installed lmy9900 ?
2018-11-21 11:41:35	lmy9900	brew install haskell-stack && stack setup && stack install ghc-mod，Then I got an error.
2018-11-21 11:42:02	lmy9900	i have install ghc8.4.4
2018-11-21 11:42:11	benkolera	teto: I dunno: running things in the right nix shell should be the right way to go. Just gotta make tools aware they should be in the nix shell. 
2018-11-21 11:42:32	@alanz	This might be an option: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/117#issuecomment-430034902
2018-11-21 11:43:00	@alanz	using direnv
2018-11-21 11:44:26	benkolera	Oh, that could work. I don't know much about that. I'll have a play. 
2018-11-21 11:45:32	benkolera	I really hate .dir-locals since they seem to break when they'll make you the most sad, so direnv could be a winner there. 
2018-11-21 11:46:06	benkolera	lmy9900: I don't know what's up there, and I don't know stack so I am not much use to you sorry! 
2018-11-21 11:48:48	teto	alanz: it seems the problem is that haskell-ide-engine runs is bundled with its own ghc (at least when installed https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix) ? usually on nix, programs run the interpreter in PATH, so there is no problem. Like a python LSP will pick up the python from the nix-shell. Here it doesn't seem like it is the case else it will pickup the ghc from the nix-shell
2018-11-21 11:48:55	teto	and there would be no problem
2018-11-21 11:49:11	teto	s/will/would
2018-11-21 11:49:33	lmy9900	I want to cry
2018-11-21 11:50:00	@alanz	teto, yes, hie has GHC compiled in, so it has to match the one used in the project
2018-11-21 11:50:06	@alanz	and this gets hard on nix
2018-11-21 11:50:30	@alanz	But it is slowly improving. Nix makes everything hard, because you have to be so explicit
2018-11-21 11:51:18	lmy9900	What is the use of ghc-mod? I am looking at Haskell's framework source code. I am using jentbrains-idea. I want to implement a variable by clicking on a variable. I can automatically jump to the variable declaration. Does this operation require ghc-mod?
2018-11-21 11:52:28	benkolera	teto: It definitely is working for me just fine as long as I run hie in the project's nix shell and use a matching version of ghc in that matches what hie was built with. That's why I pin the nixpkgs and hie-nix per project so they will always align. 
2018-11-21 11:52:37	@alanz	lmy9900, hie uses ghc-mod to load the project. It in turn uses cabal-helper to find the project config
2018-11-21 11:52:43	@alanz	and the whole thing is horribly complex
2018-11-21 11:52:44	teto	I am actually looking for haskell projects to work on to learn haskell. Seems like a good candidate though I don't have much time to help
2018-11-21 11:53:28	@alanz	teto, learning haskell by working on things like ghc-mod is unwise
2018-11-21 11:53:58	@alanz	it requires some fairly detailed knowledge of the language and ecosystem, so not really beginner-friendly
2018-11-21 11:56:01	teto	benkolera: what is strange is that hie is run from the nix-shell since I launch neovim from the nix-shell, which spawns hie
2018-11-21 11:56:02	lmy9900	I am looking at haskell in the source code of the "wire-server" project, but the variables inside can't automatically jump to the definition, I can't understand the meaning of this variable. .
2018-11-21 11:56:07	benkolera	Kudos for jumping in and trying to grok hie/nix/tooling when you are still learning, though. You definitely have hard mode turned on and embody this image, teto . ;) https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/52050eaf300fcd967c2aa859fc86d1cf-1200-80.jpg
2018-11-21 11:56:33	benkolera	Just know that there are easier paths if it ever gets too frustrating. :)
2018-11-21 11:57:57	benkolera	Hmm. Maybe nvim is eating some of the env? What happens when you run !printenv. Is it the same as in the nix-shell?
2018-11-21 11:58:08	teto	benkolera: nix was really hard to get into but so rewarding. I have the feeling it will be similar for haskell; I've read so much good things about haskell that I am very motivated. Plus the whole pure thing seems like a reasonable thing to do. I work a bit in kernel space and the sheer size of sideeffects is a nightmare
2018-11-21 11:59:21	benkolera	Awesome! Yeah it was definitely all worth it for me. The place that I work at does this course (amongst others). It may be worth a poke! :) https://github.com/data61/fp-course
2018-11-21 12:01:11	teto	ok seems like neovim DOES eat some variables (or rather the nix packaging). Looking into it :/
2018-11-21 12:01:33	benkolera	Haha. 
2018-11-21 12:01:41	benkolera	Emacs does it too. :(
2018-11-21 12:04:03	mankyKitty	fwiw this is the hammer I use to convince emacs to run hie in a nix sandbox:
2018-11-21 12:04:03	mankyKitty	```
2018-11-21 12:04:03	mankyKitty	  (lsp-define-stdio-client lsp-haskell "haskell" #'lsp-haskell--get-root
2018-11-21 12:04:03	mankyKitty	   (apply 'nix-shell-command (nix-current-sandbox) (remove-ghc-env-file-then (lsp--haskell-hie-command))))
2018-11-21 12:04:03	mankyKitty	```
2018-11-21 12:07:01	benkolera	https://github.com/benkolera/spacemacs-hie-nix/blob/master/funcs.el#L1 :)
2018-11-21 12:07:36	benkolera	Sam did a PR to lsp-haskell that makes that easier now. 
2018-11-21 12:08:32	benkolera	https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell/pull/26
2018-11-21 12:08:44	lmy9900	https://i.loli.net/2018/11/21/5bf4fd1655b59.png  I want to click '<>' or 'fullDesc' to automatically jump to the variable definition. See the picture
2018-11-21 12:10:39	benkolera	Hie will do that for you, yes. 
2018-11-21 12:11:34	lmy9900	Hie ？
2018-11-21 12:18:05	@alanz	hie = haskell-ide-engine
2018-11-21 12:25:55	teto	I don't know if I should click a link with the domain loli.net :p
2018-11-21 12:27:18	lmy9900	http://sm.ms
2018-11-21 12:31:21	teto	wrong alert, neovim gets the full variables, seems like it's more the shell that hides some variables like NIX_GHC_DOCDIR
2018-11-21 12:40:21	teto	benkolera: how is hie's ghc supposed to pick up NIX_GHC_LIBDIR if it doesn't support NIX ? I believe hie-wrapper-nix should convert NIX_GHC_LIBDIR into an environment variable understood by the bundled ghc; sthg like like GHC_LIBDIR maybe ? Does emacs do that ?
2018-11-21 12:43:48	teto	nevermind, the bundled ghc being a nix one, it should pick the nix variables. I just have to find why it doesn't work in my case :/
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2018-11-21 12:48:43	teto	alanz: there is no ghc binary along with the hie binaries so when you mean the bundled ghc, it's like embedded in hie binary ? there is no ghc binary so my previous interrogation is valid: to make it work I should just export LIBDIR=$NIX_GHC_LIBDIR 
2018-11-21 12:50:11	@alanz	teto, GHC can be invoked using the GHC API, which is what happens in hie. The GHC bundled in the HIE executable works against various library files on the file system when it is installed. These need to match the ones used to compile the project being opened using hie
2018-11-21 12:50:40	@alanz	i.e. the GHC used to compile hie, and the GHC used to build the project should match
2018-11-21 12:50:48	teto	strace shows a call to an external ghc binary.
2018-11-21 12:50:57	teto	i think they match in my case they are both 8.4.4
2018-11-21 12:53:05	@alanz	teto, enable verbose debugging in hie, and monitor stderr
2018-11-21 12:53:36	@alanz	This will enable ghc-mod to report what it is doing, which will help you with the package missing stuff
2018-11-21 12:54:19	@alanz	teto: --vomit, sorry
2018-11-21 12:55:15	teto	alanz I've already enabled everything --vomit / -d but it doesn't give much, no absolute paths. Only strace tells me what is used by hie
2018-11-21 12:58:16	@alanz	well, it should show the package load paths passed to GHC by ghc-mod, which will determine how it finds dependencies
2018-11-21 12:58:28	@alanz	which is the problem you are working on, as I understand it?
2018-11-21 12:58:55	@alanz	"Could not find module ‘Options.Applicative’ Use -v to see a list of the files searched for."
2018-11-21 12:59:31	@alanz	btw, what kind of project are you testing against? stack, cabal old build, cabal new-build?
2018-11-21 13:01:24	teto	alanz: that's exaclty the error I am trying to solve. When looking at htop. it seems like hie is run with the valid ghc in its environment (NIX_GHC* variables are from the nix-shell's ghc), yet it still displays the "Could not find module ‘Options.Applicative’". When I import Options.Applicative from nix-shell's ghci, there is no problem :/
2018-11-21 13:03:03	lmy9900	http://dpaste.com/3AV9ZQM
2018-11-21 13:04:29	@alanz	the ghc-mod used by hie is built from a git repo + commit
2018-11-21 13:04:34	@alanz	not the one on cabal
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2018-11-21 13:14:39	teto	the wrapped ghc unconditionnaly set NIX_GHC_LIBDIR so having it in the environment won't change a thing. hie will still run the old ghc regardless of nix-shell or not. benkolera > I don't understand how you can have it working. Do you have any project/dotfiles I could look at ?
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2018-11-21 13:52:26	lmy9900	what is <>？
2018-11-21 14:07:29	@alanz	lmy9900, mappend
2018-11-21 14:08:22	teto	can hie listen on TCP instead of pipes ? Are these named pipes ? I would like to start the server manually and let neovim connect to it instead of having neovim launch it
2018-11-21 14:10:04	@alanz	teto, it used to be able to do that, but not anymore. Fundamentally it just has an in and out stream, so should be relatively easy to do
2018-11-21 14:10:10	@alanz	but would need a PR
2018-11-21 14:10:58	@alanz	you might be able to do a quick hack using something like netcat, or o/s level rerouting of streams
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2018-11-21 14:28:17	benkolera	teto: this is working for me. hie is run with this command: nix-shell -I . --command "hie-wrapper --lsp -d -l /tmp/hie.log" /home/bkolera/src/gitlab/qfpl/open-banking-conformance-suite/open-banking-au-api-testing/shell.nix
2018-11-21 14:28:19	benkolera	https://github.com/benkolera/spacemacs-hie-nix
2018-11-21 14:46:36	teto	alanz: the --vomit doesn't seem to add much, I mean ghcmod  doesn't tell where it's looking for. Does the flag order matter ? I start it like this ['hie-wrapper', '--lsp', '-d', '--vomit',  '--logfile', '/tmp/lsp_haskell.log' ]
2018-11-21 14:50:06	@alanz	that should do it
2018-11-21 14:50:28	@alanz	the --vomit output goes to stderr
2018-11-21 14:55:53	teto	this should be mentioned in the --help . Will try to redirect stderr to stdout
2018-11-21 14:57:06	@alanz	stdout is used by hie, that will not be a good thing to do
2018-11-21 14:57:52	@alanz	You could try something like this: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/hie-vscode.sh#L24
2018-11-21 14:58:06	@alanz	but tee of stderr instead
2018-11-21 14:58:51	@alanz	except I am not sure if it can do that.
2018-11-21 14:59:36	@alanz	https://askubuntu.com/questions/625224/how-to-redirect-stderr-to-a-file
2018-11-21 15:00:33	teto	seems like LanguageClient can log stderr to another file. Here is the output https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PQm9kbcB9v/
2018-11-21 15:01:15	teto	I wonder if it's a caching problem, I can't see any system path, only "dist/" paths
2018-11-21 15:12:46	@alanz	teto, if it is only dist, it means cabal, so you need cabal-install visible on your system, and the ~/.cabal directory populated via cabal update
2018-11-21 15:15:25	teto	alanz: ghc has everything necessary, so even with ~/.cabal is empty, it should find Optparse.Applicative no ?
2018-11-21 15:17:23	@alanz	if it is a dist project, it needs the cabal stuff
2018-11-21 15:17:44	@alanz	can you "cabal build" the project from the command line?
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2018-11-21 15:27:05	teto	alanz: it gives me the same error as hie "Could not find module ‘Options.Applicative’". How can I disable that "dist" thing
2018-11-21 15:28:01	@alanz	the dist thing is what you get when building with cabal. If you have a stack.yaml, then delete that directory, and try "stack build"
2018-11-21 15:28:07	@alanz	if that works, hie should too
2018-11-21 15:30:28	teto	I have a stack.yaml that I must have created when experimenting (I'
2018-11-21 15:30:45	teto	but ultimately I don't want to use stack but exclusively nix
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2018-11-21 15:37:43	@alanz	if hie sees a dist dir it will assume cabal. So just delete it
2018-11-21 15:43:28	teto	alanz: I did but seems like hie recreates it :/
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2018-11-21 15:49:22	teto	if I remove my project.cabal file, seems like hie actually finds haskell errors as expected
2018-11-21 15:49:57	teto	yet the message doesn't appear in neovim (though they appear in hie's log)
2018-11-21 15:50:14	teto	this may be a problem outside of hie so that's good news
2018-11-21 15:50:55	teto	oh no they appear, I was checking in the wrong places
2018-11-21 15:51:07	teto	WOW YEAH !! thanks all for the help
2018-11-21 15:51:40	teto	is there any way to have hie work while keeping the cabal file in the folder ?
2018-11-21 15:55:20	lmy9900	error
2018-11-21 15:56:48	lmy9900	http://dpaste.com/13KQ07H
2018-11-21 16:01:32	@alanz	teto, it should be that only the dist dir makes a difference, if it is there or not
2018-11-21 16:02:21	@alanz	but we do have an open issue to explicitly select the build type, if there are multiple
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2018-11-21 17:01:25	lmy9900	git clone error
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2018-11-21 18:25:16	lmy9900	 submodule considered for cloning, doesn't need cloning any more?
2018-11-21 18:25:50	lmy9900	BUG: submodule considered for cloning, doesn't need cloning any more?
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2018-11-22 07:52:30	benkolera	Mental note. Always nix-shell before starting emacs on a haskell file in a freshly pulled repo. Emacs locks up for a long while while nix shell does it's thing. XD
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2018-11-22 08:50:54	teto	alanz: could you share the link please I can't find it ? whenever I remove the cabal file, hie works, else it fails. It might be another vim plugin that automatically generates the dist directory when it sees the cabal file but I can't think of any.
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2018-11-22 11:40:21	teto	how do you guys get "go to definition" ? do you use hasktags/haskdogs ? neither hie nor these seem to list packages from the nix-shell. only the ones in the current folder :s
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2018-11-22 11:44:34	benkolera	The thing with haskell is that the source isn't actually around to jump to once it has been compiled into libs like that. It is only recently that haddock is brought into the compiled libs for ghci. 
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2018-11-22 11:46:53	benkolera	It is in the haddock though, but could be tricky for hie to find. I don't know if hie tries or whether it is currently possible to find the source from a symbol without parsing the haddock html or something gnarly. I may be very wrong there since I'm still new to hie and the lengths it goes to find this kind of info. 
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2018-11-22 15:10:35	cocreature	codex supports go to definition for libraries
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2018-11-22 15:24:47	@alanz	cocreature, I know. And it is one of the things I want to build in. I think I made an issue for it already
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2018-11-22 17:27:17	drphil_	Hey HIE-ers; I've been out of Haskell-land for a few years. I was hoping to try the new eco-system goodness and HIE seems a lovely place to start. I'm running the build-all script (WIndows) and, so far, stack has installed ghc-8.{2.{1,2},4.{2,4}}, running up an impressive 8.2GB. Is this expected?
2018-11-22 17:28:45	@alanz	drphil_, yes
2018-11-22 17:28:50	drphil_	Oh and different versions of Cabal and mtl keep failing with unicode failures
2018-11-22 17:29:13	@alanz	you can build just for specific compilers, if that is all you use, by giving the right params to the build script
2018-11-22 17:29:31	@alanz	no idea, not a windows user
2018-11-22 17:30:05	drphil_	ah, I thought it was due to different packages having different ghc dependencies... this is just the default choice to support everything from the get-go... that makes sense
2018-11-22 17:34:02	@alanz	yes. Until we can get a more targeted install process
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2018-11-22 19:10:30	domenkozar	alanz: how far is ghc 8.6?
2018-11-22 19:11:23	@alanz	waiting for point release of cabal 2.4, to be able to find the cabal wrapper
2018-11-22 19:11:40	domenkozar	ah still, ok :)
2018-11-22 19:11:51	@alanz	if you can guarantee its location in nix (I presume that is natural), you can do it in hie-nix
2018-11-22 19:12:20	@alanz	Just need to widen the search thing in the cabal-helper compiler to look on the path too
2018-11-22 19:12:41	domenkozar	does hie look for it in $PATH?
2018-11-22 19:14:48	@alanz	as per https://github.com/alanz/cabal-helper/commit/fcd77ea57cde45134a5207b576274f325fcd3f5c
2018-11-22 19:15:08	@alanz	it uses this branch: https://github.com/alanz/cabal-helper/commits/cabal-new
2018-11-22 19:16:39	@alanz	So modify https://github.com/alanz/cabal-helper/blob/master/lib/Distribution/Helper.hs#L467 to look for "cabal-helper-wrapper" in a place that nix is known to put it, like in the path, as we look for in in the hie-wrapper
2018-11-22 19:17:45	@alanz	except I am sure I have a later version of that too. But that is the place to tweak, to get the 8.6 branch of hie working
2018-11-22 19:19:58	domenkozar	getBinDir should work with Nix
2018-11-22 19:21:08	domenkozar	actually it's in getLibexecDir, isn't it?
2018-11-22 19:21:22	domenkozar	yeah it should find it there
2018-11-22 19:22:10	domenkozar	I'll give it a shot
2018-11-22 19:27:21	@alanz	the problem is getLibExecDir does not work with Cabal 2.4
2018-11-22 19:27:42	@alanz	because it computes a separate hash in the cabal store for the exe vs the lib
2018-11-22 19:27:59	@alanz	so getLibExecDir gets the wrong dir
2018-11-22 19:28:17	@alanz	and actually the execdir is not needed, because of the hash based address
2018-11-22 19:28:31	@alanz	but the exe and lib live under separate hashes
2018-11-22 19:28:37	@alanz	good luck
2018-11-22 19:29:29	@alanz	I think the new cabal will be out quite soon, then the rest of us can use it too :)
2018-11-22 19:30:38	domenkozar	but you could just pin the cabal in a submodule, right?
2018-11-22 19:31:56	@alanz	come to think of it, I think this thing might work under stack, which shims things a bit
2018-11-22 19:32:09	@alanz	But GHC 8,6 requires cabal 2.4
2018-11-22 19:32:22	@alanz	afaik
2018-11-22 19:33:05	@alanz	either way, I decided to wait for imminent stuff rather than take too much longer on it, as I have a bunch of other stuff to do too
2018-11-22 19:33:47	domenkozar	that's a wise choice :)
2018-11-22 19:58:55	@alanz	domenkozar, btw, you must use my ghc-8.6.1-ch branch for hie
2018-11-22 20:01:51	domenkozar	k
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2018-11-23 12:21:13	lmy9900	hello
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2018-11-23 12:22:58	lmy9900	Whether it can be like java, when you click on the parent class of a class, it automatically jumps to the place defined by the parent class. If the parent class is defined in the standard library, it can also jump to the past.
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2018-11-23 17:18:34	lmy9900	hi
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2018-11-24 08:36:36	lmy9900	Whether it can be like java, when you click on the parent class of a class, it automatically jumps to the place defined by the parent class. If the parent class is defined in the standard library, it can also jump to the past.
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2018-11-24 22:46:56	infinisil	Best decision I made today: https://github.com/Infinisil/nixbot/commit/db7653fbb3738ae46961f4013ec1276a10fbb03e
2018-11-24 22:47:24	infinisil	Removing TemplateHaskell from my project -> startup time for HIE went down from 4 minutes (!) to 2 seconds
2018-11-24 22:47:28	@alanz	wow
2018-11-24 22:47:48	@alanz	and program clarity went up by some massive amount too
2018-11-24 22:48:33	@alanz	infinisil, that was a pretty small change too. 
2018-11-24 22:48:35	infinisil	Well I didn't use TH for anything other than having line numbers for logs and inline a nix file
2018-11-24 22:49:02	infinisil	The former is pretty much useless mostly
2018-11-24 22:49:09	infinisil	And the latter can be replaced by data files
2018-11-24 22:49:14	@alanz	ok
2018-11-24 22:49:47	infinisil	But still, I wish HIE (well ghc-mod really) could handle that better (not taking so long to load)
2018-11-24 22:51:30	@alanz	problem is we invoke ghc on each change to the file
2018-11-24 22:51:39	@alanz	if it does a pile of TH, it is a problem
2018-11-24 22:51:56	@alanz	And the reason we have haskell-lsp-types as a separate project
2018-11-24 22:52:28	 *	alanz rugby tine
2018-11-24 22:52:50	infinisil	AHh
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2018-11-25 01:05:37	benkolera	That's not a lot of TH. I'd have way more makeLenses around in my codebases.b
2018-11-25 01:06:13	infinisil	benkolera: Ah yeah, I haven't added lenses yet.. Darn, guess I'll have to write my own instances
2018-11-25 01:08:14	benkolera	There is lens-generic.
2018-11-25 01:11:06	benkolera	I think TH gets an unnecessarily bad rap, but I agree that we tend to pay more for it than we get back sometimes. I think I would rather it get better than worse. See http://a.co/51NyCYh
2018-11-25 01:11:35	benkolera	Oh lol. That's an awesome book but not what I meant to paste.
2018-11-25 01:11:56	benkolera	https://www.thestrangeloop.com/2018/hackett-a-metaprogrammable-haskell.html
2018-11-25 01:14:07	benkolera	But I think there may be something odd with your TH setup infinisil . I've got a work project with ~80 Haskell files, TH to generate lenses and servant and the GHC mod startup isnt too bad. It's noticeable and sometimes I just need to chill and wait for it to catch up when cold, but it's not 4 minutes bad.
2018-11-25 01:14:52	infinisil	benkolera: It doesn't depend on the number of files in my project
2018-11-25 01:14:54	infinisil	Or not much
2018-11-25 01:15:07	infinisil	It depends on the dependencies. The more dependencies the longer it takes
2018-11-25 01:15:41	infinisil	Because ghci/ghc-mod needs to load all of them in the interpreter
2018-11-25 01:16:04	infinisil	Well that's the same with local dependencies probably, but those are not very relevant if you have a hundred or more transitive deps
2018-11-25 01:17:26	benkolera	Comparable to https://github.com/ConsumerDataStandardsAustralia/conformance/blob/develop/consumer-data-au-api-types/consumer-data-au-api-types.cabal ?
2018-11-25 01:19:05	benkolera	But interesting. I'll keep an eye out. Keen to not have everything come crashing down in my hie so knowing what it can't deal with well is helpful.
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2018-11-25 09:40:33	lmy9900	Using the hie and vs-code editors, can you run a breakpoint like java, see the value of each step variable?
2018-11-25 09:51:20	lmy9900	@type runServer
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2018-11-25 21:05:20	infinisil	Oh boy, trying to get rid of some more TH
2018-11-25 21:05:32	infinisil	Now with lenses, which are not too bad to write on my own
2018-11-25 21:05:36	infinisil	But this isn't: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/safecopy-0.9.4.1/docs/Data-SafeCopy.html#v:deriveSafeCopy
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2018-11-25 21:57:50	infinisil	Although ugly, I guess I'll try to make a separate package for the types too
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2018-11-26 00:26:08	infinisil	alanz: Hey, would you mind doing a new release? I'd really appreciate the new-build support
2018-11-26 00:26:55	@alanz	infinisil, you can always use the one on master
2018-11-26 00:27:10	@alanz	which has it
2018-11-26 00:27:11	infinisil	Right, I'm asking because I want to update hie-nix
2018-11-26 00:27:29	infinisil	It's currently using 0.3, and it would be nice to not switch back to a master version for it
2018-11-26 00:27:58	@alanz	I am not sure how solid the new-build support is, and I am a bit nervous of inflicting it on people
2018-11-26 00:28:23	infinisil	Ah alright, no problem, I'll just use master for now and give it a good testing
2018-11-26 00:28:40	@alanz	And I am also waiting for the cabal-install 2.4 point release (imminent, has been for a while) which sorts out new-build with cabal 2.4
2018-11-26 00:28:54	@alanz	otherwise it will fail, and people will complain
2018-11-26 00:29:23	@alanz	fail for cabal-install 2.4, that is
2018-11-26 00:30:27	infinisil	Oh, I'm actually using 2.4
2018-11-26 00:30:47	@alanz	I think nix is ok with it
2018-11-26 00:31:08	infinisil	Wait, you're waiting for 2.4.1 or so?
2018-11-26 00:31:09	@alanz	it is non-nix users who hit a problem. I think.
2018-11-26 00:31:13	@alanz	yes
2018-11-26 00:31:24	infinisil	Is there an issue for this?
2018-11-26 00:31:43	@alanz	in fact, the 2.4 problem only holds back 8.6 usage
2018-11-26 00:32:28	@alanz	infinisil, not at the moment.  I guess there should be, I lost track of the state of things a while back
2018-11-26 00:32:37	infinisil	Ahh, that's not *too* bad then
2018-11-26 00:32:53	@alanz	I do know that domenkozar was looking at 8.6 support in hie-nix. Or asking questions about it, around friday
2018-11-26 00:33:16	@alanz	and I pointed him at some stuff, not sure if he got anywhere
2018-11-26 00:33:41	infinisil	Alright cool, thanks
2018-11-26 00:34:09	infinisil	Will give hie master a try then (via hie-nix fork) with cabal new-build
2018-11-26 00:35:38	infinisil	`cabal build` doesn't seem to work for a project in directory `root/a` that depends on a project in `root/b`, can't find the dependency. `cabal new-build` handles that correctly, that's why I'm looking into it
2018-11-26 00:38:37	domenkozar	I haven't done any work there
2018-11-26 00:39:14	domenkozar	I was doing same as alanz, waiting on next Cabal release :)
2018-11-26 00:39:42	@alanz	ok
2018-11-26 00:41:33	infinisil	I see
2018-11-26 00:42:21	domenkozar	there was a version tag 2 days ago
2018-11-26 00:42:27	domenkozar	so I'm hopeful :)
2018-11-26 00:42:33	domenkozar	sorry, version commit.
2018-11-26 00:43:18	@alanz	yes, I saw that too, and got all excited
2018-11-26 00:43:31	infinisil	But it disappeared again?
2018-11-26 00:43:34	infinisil	Oh
2018-11-26 00:43:38	@alanz	But I think there is a lot at stake for a cabal-install release, so they go carefully
2018-11-26 00:43:39	infinisil	Just a commit, not a tag+release
2018-11-26 00:44:05	@alanz	you nixer's could of course easily use it already
2018-11-26 00:45:22	infinisil	Hehe yeah, I mean, you can too right? Just a bit more annoying to set up
2018-11-26 00:53:24	domenkozar	I think it's worth waiting another week :D
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2018-11-26 01:30:10	infinisil	Sure takes a while for hie to compile everything (including all deps) to compile from scratch with nix..
2018-11-26 01:30:28	@alanz	infinisil, are you using cachix?
2018-11-26 01:30:48	infinisil	Well I'm using hie-nix with latest hie master, ain't no caches for that yet
2018-11-26 01:31:00	infinisil	I could upload it to my cachix when I'm done though, so domenkozar or others can try it
2018-11-26 01:31:29	@alanz	ok.
2018-11-26 01:31:52	@alanz	I am really looking forward to having all the deps on hackage for hie, so things can cache cleanly everywhere
2018-11-26 01:32:13	infinisil	That would be neat
2018-11-26 01:32:24	infinisil	What's holding this back?
2018-11-26 01:32:34	infinisil	The need for special versions of everything?
2018-11-26 01:33:28	@alanz	the furthest back piece of the puzzle is ghc-mod (with its companion cabal-helper)
2018-11-26 01:33:45	@alanz	but those are also waiting for cabal
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2018-11-26 03:11:05	infinisil	alanz: Well I'm getting an error trying it out
2018-11-26 03:11:11	infinisil	cabal-helper-wrapper: /home/infinisil/prj/nixbot/dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.4.4/nixbot-0.1.0.0/setup-config: openFile: does not exist (No such file or directory)
2018-11-26 03:12:15	infinisil	The directory structure of the `nixbot-0.1.0.0` directory: https://gist.github.com/Infinisil/c1a88c22d7aebb0b814967a6d0c6350a
2018-11-26 03:12:46	infinisil	So the setup-config file is really in /home/infinisil/prj/nixbot/dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.4.4/nixbot-0.1.0.0/x/nixbot/setup-config for some reason, no idea where the 'x' comes from
2018-11-26 03:30:40	infinisil	dxld: Are you DanielG on github? If so ^^
2018-11-26 03:30:59	infinisil	Seems to be a cabal-helper issue
2018-11-26 03:34:54	infinisil	alanz: DanielG seems to have some more recent commits on their wip/new-build branch: https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/commits/wip/new-build
2018-11-26 03:39:52	infinisil	A workaround for now is to just symlink the file.. `ln -s x/nixbot/setup-config setup-config`
2018-11-26 03:39:59	infinisil	Seems to work if i do that
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2018-11-26 03:48:39	dxld	infinisil: yes
2018-11-26 03:49:34	dxld	infinisil: can you give me some more context on what's going on?
2018-11-26 03:50:26	infinisil	dxld: Trying out hie master version, which has recently gotten some support for new-build https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/927
2018-11-26 03:50:37	infinisil	But it doesn't seem to be using your wip/new-build branch
2018-11-26 03:51:05	infinisil	I'm trying out hie master and just describing the problems
2018-11-26 03:51:33	dxld	ah
2018-11-26 03:51:52	infinisil	These might not be in your branch though, not sure
2018-11-26 03:52:04	dxld	I think it's based on some old snapshot of it
2018-11-26 03:52:17	dxld	before I started re-doing the API
2018-11-26 03:52:43	infinisil	Another problem I'm having is that a package in root/subdir (with root having a cabal.project), tries to use root/subdir/dist-newstyle/build instead of root/dist-newstyle/build, the former of which doesn't exist
2018-11-26 03:52:57	dxld	I did tell alan that I wouldn't be supporting that work since it's a hack ;)
2018-11-26 03:53:06	infinisil	I see :P
2018-11-26 03:53:20	infinisil	dxld: I guess I'll give your branch a go then and hope that those problems are fixed
2018-11-26 03:53:28	dxld	that's not going to work
2018-11-26 03:53:48	infinisil	I see
2018-11-26 03:53:50	dxld	like I said, I'm re-doing the API. so ghc-mod isn't compatible with that yet
2018-11-26 03:54:04	infinisil	Ahh, so the wip/new-build is hacky too?
2018-11-26 03:54:14	dxld	nooo, it's just wip
2018-11-26 03:54:36	infinisil	Alright
2018-11-26 03:54:42	dxld	I'm moving logic that used to live in ghc-mod into cabal-helper
2018-11-26 03:55:04	dxld	in such a way that it's (hopefully) maximally useful to projects without even going through ghc-mod
2018-11-26 03:55:10	dxld	that just takes time
2018-11-26 03:56:16	infinisil	I see, so no cabal new-build with HIE for me anytime soon :)
2018-11-26 03:56:35	dxld	well you can always sit down and help with cabal-helper for example :p
2018-11-26 03:56:42	infinisil	Just wanted to ask :)
2018-11-26 03:56:59	dxld	right now I mostly need tests that excercise the stack support and caching logic
2018-11-26 03:57:04	infinisil	dxld: I would take me a while to really get into how everything works though, but I might give it a go
2018-11-26 03:57:08	infinisil	It*
2018-11-26 03:57:30	infinisil	I barely know what cabal-helper does heh
2018-11-26 03:57:42	dxld	well I'm writing documentation right now
2018-11-26 03:57:53	dxld	after I had to explain it to a bunch of people at munihac
2018-11-26 03:58:02	dxld	that's somehow easier now :)
2018-11-26 03:58:56	infinisil	Nice
2018-11-26 03:59:16	infinisil	Are the docs already somewhere?
2018-11-26 04:00:11	dxld	I guess I could push the readme changes into wip at least
2018-11-26 04:00:47	infinisil	I'd be interested
2018-11-26 04:00:50	dxld	it's really not that much yet, but I've tried to lay out some of the context cabal-helper works in and it's goals
2018-11-26 04:03:29	dxld	https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/blob/635292c6867e0d86c3c0ef1d3b081f7c06e78f3d/README.md
2018-11-26 04:04:23	dxld	the PR corresponding to the wip/new-build branch also has some more commentary on what's going on: https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/pull/60
2018-11-26 04:09:45	infinisil	Yeah just found that
2018-11-26 04:12:42	infinisil	dxld: Thanks for that readme, already know a whole lot more than I did before
2018-11-26 04:13:21	dxld	I still have some internal overview stuff pending
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2018-11-26 13:21:27	@alanz	I notice cabal-install-2.4.1.0 has been released
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2018-11-26 15:36:40	wz1000	alanz: running ghc-8.6.1-ch branch built via cabal-install 2.4.1.0 still gives me this: https://pastebin.com/raw/MAtZ5H1R
2018-11-26 15:36:48	wz1000	building it via stack works fine
2018-11-26 15:37:10	@alanz	wz1000, thanks, I am looking into it too, at the moment
2018-11-26 15:37:46	@alanz	and what you posted looks like the original error I was getting, where the lib and exe end up in separate install locations
2018-11-26 15:38:00	@alanz	the cabal file may need tweaking, in some or other way
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2018-11-26 15:38:24	@alanz	I am first making sure that stack build actually uses Cabal-2.4.1.0
2018-11-26 15:38:25	@alanz	:)
2018-11-26 15:38:41	@alanz	for 8.6.2, that is
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2018-11-26 15:42:14	wz1000	alanz: it works if I export libexecdir="~/.cabal/bin" and cabal new-install cabal-helper
2018-11-26 15:42:45	@alanz	yes, but setting libexecdir like that is not an option
2018-11-26 15:43:26	@alanz	the problem is finding the cabal-helper-wrapper exe, and the solution dxld came up with is the libexecdir, but it no longer works with GHC 8.6/cabal 2.4
2018-11-26 15:44:02	@alanz	and using watever cabal-helper-wrapper is in ~/.cabal/bin is inviting the problems that we are trying to avoid with cabal-helper
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2018-11-26 15:46:03	@alanz	The trick is to set it up so that this function works: https://github.com/alanz/cabal-helper/blob/cabal-new/lib/Distribution/Helper.hs#L491
2018-11-26 15:46:14	@alanz	without just falling back to looking in ~/.cabal/bin
2018-11-26 15:46:44	@alanz	and what should happen is that the lib and exe get installed in the same place in the store, so you can use the store path to find the exe
2018-11-26 15:46:55	@alanz	but at the moment each gets installed in its own place
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2018-11-26 15:47:11	@alanz	hvr, how can we change that, now we have cabal-2.4.1.0?
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2018-11-26 15:50:41	wz1000	alanz: also, using it on a new-build project fails with an openFile: file not found
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2018-11-26 15:51:04	wz1000	it looks for ./dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.4.4/add-package-test-0.1.0.0/setup-config
2018-11-26 15:51:20	wz1000	but the file is actually in ./dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.4.4/add-package-test-0.1.0.0/x/test/setup-config
2018-11-26 15:51:41	wz1000	copying the file makes it work
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2018-11-26 15:52:38	wz1000	and cabal-helper installs cabal using old-install, not new-install
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2018-11-26 16:15:05	wz1000	hie depends on both attoparsec and megaparsec, lens and microlens
2018-11-26 16:15:45	wz1000	butcher and optparse-applicative
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2018-11-26 16:16:59	@alanz	the problems of integrating disparate projects into one thing
2018-11-26 16:17:28	@alanz	I wonder if we could backpack things
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2018-11-26 16:19:31	wz1000	well, we'd have to convince the maintainers of whatever upstream packages are introducing the dep to backpack things
2018-11-26 16:20:44	@alanz	I know. An interesting thought though
2018-11-26 16:20:57	wz1000	I think the ekg stuff brings in a lot of dependencies, maybe we can make a cabal flag for it
2018-11-26 16:21:09	@alanz	And one of the things I want to do is go full plugin mode
2018-11-26 16:21:35	@alanz	I was actually thinking the same, or strip it out completely, its easy enough to put back if we actually want it
2018-11-26 16:22:49	@alanz	wz1000, did you see the hie file stuff is close to merge in GHC?
2018-11-26 16:23:07	@alanz	https://phabricator.haskell.org/D5239
2018-11-26 16:23:12	wz1000	yeah, thanks for helping out
2018-11-26 16:23:21	@alanz	no problem, we all benefit :)
2018-11-26 16:23:38	wz1000	My semester ends this week, so I can get back into things
2018-11-26 16:25:12	@alanz	nice. But still exams ahead, I presume
2018-11-26 16:26:14	wz1000	yeah, it is currently exam week. I just got out of one and am procrastinating by trying to install set up hie
2018-11-26 16:27:07	wz1000	stack is trying to build haskell-lsp, cabal-install, brittany and HaRe at the same time, almost maxing out memory
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2018-11-26 16:28:53	@alanz	yes, you need to give it -j n to keep it in hand
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2018-11-26 16:43:36	wz1000	so I generated this monstrosity: https://i.imgur.com/msZgSlU.jpg
2018-11-26 17:01:20	@alanz	abstract art
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2018-11-27 13:59:14	@alanz	wz1000, (when you have time) do you have an example project that shows the test problem? as you mentioned in https://gist.github.com/alanz/11ca50c429f739b18ee5e90a4bc79ee5
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2018-11-27 14:18:32	wz1000	alanz: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/7562cc51292d9f5fc979f41bb2f5e364
2018-11-27 14:18:50	@alanz	thanks
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2018-11-27 15:58:32	@alanz	wz1000, it seems that getting the wrapper to build with new-build is quite complex, and so long as you "cabal install Cabal-2.4.1.0" once, the wrapper setup is fast. So I am going to leave it as is for now, and add a note/makefile mod for it
2018-11-27 15:59:05	@alanz	especially as we will be moving to the new shiny cabal-helper without a wrapper sometime soonish
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2018-11-27 18:18:35	domenkozar	alanz: Cabal bugfix is out!
2018-11-27 18:19:06	domenkozar	http://hackage.haskell.org/package/Cabal-2.4.1.0/changelog
2018-11-27 18:19:14	@alanz	domenkozar, yes, I saw. And discovered that I was wrong, the fix was possible before that too
2018-11-27 18:19:36	domenkozar	how can I help get GHC 8.6 support for hie? :)
2018-11-27 18:19:52	@alanz	See my https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/ghc-8.6.1-ch-2.4.1.0 branch
2018-11-27 18:20:12	@alanz	that one does support GHC 8.6.x, and cabal new-build
2018-11-27 18:20:26	@alanz	but there is something wrong with lsp-test, I am looking into it now
2018-11-27 18:20:41	@alanz	See https://circleci.com/workflow-run/a0e6b366-9a47-4bc2-b969-752ded02297a
2018-11-27 18:21:28	@alanz	lsp test is supposed to wait for codeActions, they appear in the log, but it does not find any
2018-11-27 18:21:48	@alanz	working on reproducing it in the upstream lib
2018-11-27 18:22:33	@alanz	my test failure: stack --stack-yaml=stack-8.6.2.yaml test haskell-ide-engine:func-test --test-arguments="--match \"adds to .cabal files\""
2018-11-27 18:24:05	@alanz	hmm, maybe lsp-test is not the problem
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2018-11-27 19:13:12	@alanz	domenkozar, I think the 8.6 branch is baked, just doing final circle CI tests, then will make a PR
2018-11-27 19:14:16	@alanz	hmm, there is still one issue, as reported by wz1000 
2018-11-27 19:14:39	@alanz	In the meantime, https://circleci.com/workflow-run/d0714b33-b6e3-44a9-83da-094588a7d92c
2018-11-27 19:16:03	domenkozar	\o/
2018-11-27 19:16:47	@alanz	and I am running it at the moment, to work on itself.
2018-11-27 19:16:59	@alanz	which is weird, but works
2018-11-27 19:17:25	@alanz	The trick is to have a separate repo to install the running version from
2018-11-27 19:17:38	@alanz	so changes to the one under development don't break it
2018-11-27 19:33:43	wz1000	alanz: the behavior I reported can also be reproduced on 8.4
2018-11-27 19:39:54	@alanz	wz1000, interesting. I am looking into it now
2018-11-27 19:40:14	@alanz	with new-build only?
2018-11-27 19:47:00	@alanz	no problem with old build. makes sense
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2018-11-27 23:04:54	wz1000	alanz: yes, with new-build only
2018-11-27 23:05:11	@alanz	yes, I saw that
2018-11-27 23:05:32	@alanz	Then started chasing it through, but had to go off for a bit.
2018-11-27 23:05:42	@alanz	Will resume the hunt a bit later
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2018-11-28 16:16:06	@alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/962
2018-11-28 16:16:16	@alanz	GHC 8.6, and new-build
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2018-11-28 17:27:04	domenkozar	alanz: :bow:
2018-11-28 17:31:13	@alanz	it needs testing in usage, I have used it a bit, need other feedback too
2018-11-28 17:31:31	@alanz	When it merges we will probably bump the version as well
2018-11-28 17:31:44	@alanz	which will simplify your life
2018-11-28 17:31:46	@alanz	domenkozar, ^^
2018-11-28 17:36:41	domenkozar	yeah I think that's best and see what folks say :)
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2018-11-29 05:07:16	mankyKitty	omg new-build support!? :O
2018-11-29 05:11:30	lukelau	alanz: hi, crunch time at uni here so haven’t had time to look at lsp-test this week or last
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2018-11-29 05:13:22	lukelau	hopefully will be able to take another stab at the hie tests tonight
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2018-11-29 11:38:26	@alanz	lukelau, no problem. uni comes first
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2018-11-30 09:47:26	teto	how can I setup hie to run a plain ghc project even if it finds a cabal file ? "Found no other project type, falling back to plain GHC project"
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2018-11-30 12:24:09	teto	nevermind, fixing the cabal file fixed it
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2018-11-30 12:32:02	teto	all that's left is to be able to have hie return the expression type https://github.com/autozimu/LanguageClient-neovim/issues/471
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2018-11-30 21:00:18	--	Mode #haskell-ide-engine [-r] by alanz
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2018-11-30 21:03:36	@alanz	I think the spam wave is over, I have set the mode to -r, so external non-registered can be active. Like matrix bridge
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2018-12-01 14:12:43	--	Mode #haskell-ide-engine [-n] by alanz
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2018-12-01 14:14:57	--	Notice(GitHub136): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fpo0a
2018-12-01 14:14:57	--	Notice(GitHub136): haskell-ide-engine/master 9b96dae Alan Zimmerman: Preparing for version 0.4.0.0
2018-12-01 14:14:57	--	Notice(GitHub136): haskell-ide-engine/master b8d2e16 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #965 from alanz/v0.4.0.0...
2018-12-01 14:15:18	--	Notice(GitHub87): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fpo0a
2018-12-01 14:15:18	--	Notice(GitHub87): haskell-ide-engine/master 9b96dae Alan Zimmerman: Preparing for version 0.4.0.0
2018-12-01 14:15:18	--	Notice(GitHub87): haskell-ide-engine/master b8d2e16 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #965 from alanz/v0.4.0.0...
2018-12-01 14:15:48	@alanz	yay, got out notifications back
2018-12-01 14:16:16	@alanz	domenkozar, 0.4.0.0 can be packaged by hie-nix now
2018-12-01 14:24:26	@alanz	domenkozar, what would it take to set up cachix/hercules-ci infrastructure to build hie installable binaries for different platforms?
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2018-12-01 19:45:09	--	Notice(GitHub168): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #966: Install Cabal library using stack GHC (master...stack-install-cabal) https://git.io/fpowc
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2018-12-01 21:40:39	--	Notice(GitHub87): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fpo60
2018-12-01 21:40:39	--	Notice(GitHub87): haskell-ide-engine/master f703d3f Alan Zimmerman: Install Cabal library using stack GHC...
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2018-12-01 22:11:35	lukelau	alanz: congrats on 0.4.0.0
2018-12-01 22:12:21	@alanz	thanks, but I think I broke the install with requiring GHC/cabal, need to make a 0.4.0.1
2018-12-01 22:12:44	@alanz	and there is not much in it, just the bump to the 8.6 support. And cabal new-install
2018-12-01 22:12:50	@alanz	which was sort of there before
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2018-12-01 22:22:13	lukelau	8.6 support is great though, seemed to take a lot of work
2018-12-01 22:22:42	lukelau	Building mac binaries for it at the moment
2018-12-01 22:26:04	--	Notice(GitHub151): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fpoiH
2018-12-01 22:26:04	--	Notice(GitHub151): haskell-ide-engine/master df6da63 Alan Zimmerman: Bump version, for stack install of Cabal
2018-12-01 22:26:29	@alanz	I hope it works on mac
2018-12-01 22:26:31	--	Notice(GitHub31): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz tagged 0.4.0.1 at 87e8ca5: https://git.io/fpoi5
2018-12-01 22:26:46	@alanz	I kind of wanted to keep to the monthly release cycle, on 1st of the month
2018-12-01 22:53:15	lukelau	Confirmed working on mac
2018-12-01 22:53:37	@alanz	great
2018-12-01 22:54:01	@alanz	with an 8.6.2 project? and using cabal new-build?
2018-12-01 22:54:11	lukelau	Just with stack
2018-12-01 22:54:15	lukelau	Let me try out a cabal new-build
2018-12-01 22:54:26	@alanz	I actually need to add tests to the functests zone for this stuff
2018-12-01 22:54:34	@alanz	thanks
2018-12-01 22:55:23	@alanz	lukelau, you will see we are still getting intermittent failure on circleci with that prefix test
2018-12-01 22:55:52	@alanz	re-run from failed normally sorts it out, but we need to get to the bottom of it some time
2018-12-01 22:57:48	lukelau	I have a feeling it could be caused by initializeResponse
2018-12-01 22:57:55	lukelau	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/e5e9d62f0d0a15f319601dcd17efe5aee2d49e58/test/functional/CommandSpec.hs#L17
2018-12-01 22:58:04	lukelau	It’s one of the few tests that uses it
2018-12-01 22:58:18	lukelau	And that’s the only request it makes
2018-12-01 23:04:17	lukelau	cabal new-build isn’t looking great
2018-12-01 23:05:30	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/bubba/c3449d281aed2416274da180495b5df1
2018-12-01 23:11:42	lukelau	It looks like setup-config is located at “dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-osx/ghc-8.6.2/PACKAGE_NAME-0.1.0.0/x/PACKAGENAME/setup-config” rather than “dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-osx/ghc-8.6.2/PACKAGE_NAME-0.1.0.0/setup-config”
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2018-12-01 23:16:24	@alanz	lukelau, that problem is when you have an exe only, not a lib
2018-12-01 23:16:26	@alanz	the last one
2018-12-01 23:16:42	lukelau	Yeah thats the case in my project
2018-12-01 23:16:55	lukelau	I’ll try it with hie but hiding the stack.yaml file
2018-12-01 23:16:58	@alanz	and I started working on something for it, but it is hard to motivate with imminent next gen c-h et al
2018-12-01 23:18:15	lukelau	cabal new-build is complaining about those ekg- dependencies
2018-12-01 23:18:26	lukelau	Have they been fixed on hackage yet?
2018-12-01 23:18:39	lukelau	it would seem so
2018-12-01 23:18:46	lukelau	Should have run new-update first
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2018-12-01 23:42:22	@alanz	lukelau, thanks for doing the fancy release stuff on gh
2018-12-01 23:52:44	--	Notice(GitHub128): [haskell-ide-engine] bubba opened pull request #968: Add 8.6.2 to dist and update nightly resolver (master...8.6.2-dist) https://git.io/fpoMP
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2018-12-01 23:55:32	@alanz	lukelau, I meant to update stack.yaml to be current nightly. And had no idea about the dist stuff.
2018-12-01 23:55:47	@alanz	Will wait for CI, then merge
2018-12-01 23:55:54	lukelau	alanz: no problem
2018-12-01 23:56:35	lukelau	I think it might be time to start looking at shake as a makefile replacement
2018-12-01 23:56:43	@alanz	and fwiw, I want to experiment with cachix/hercules-ci, to see about building binaries. Based on a twitter conversation, I think it may be possible to build them for multiple platforms
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2018-12-01 23:56:50	@alanz	without requiring nix
2018-12-01 23:57:30	@alanz	I have no problem with using shake. except it brings in a bootstrap issue
2018-12-01 23:57:59	lukelau	I was thinking about using stack scripts for it maybe: https://haskell-lang.org/tutorial/stack-script
2018-12-01 23:58:26	@alanz	ouch. I guess it is a possbility.
2018-12-01 23:59:02	@alanz	I am a bit skeptical of those, but I think it is probably a good solution
2018-12-01 23:59:24	lukelau	Would using cachix then also help with the nix installation of hie?
2018-12-01 23:59:55	@alanz	yes
2018-12-02 00:00:12	lukelau	That would be great then, kill two birds with one stone
2018-12-02 00:00:13	@alanz	This is what I need to discuss with domenkozar some time. How to do it.
2018-12-02 00:00:16	@alanz	exactly
2018-12-02 00:00:37	lukelau	I still haven’t tried out nix yet
2018-12-02 00:01:21	@alanz	its worth experimenting with, but needs a bit of time/attention to appreciate it
2018-12-02 00:01:27	@alanz	is my experience anyway
2018-12-02 00:02:00	@alanz	gabriel gonzales has quite a good "getting started for haskell" thing on github around this
2018-12-02 00:02:20	 *	alanz afk
2018-12-02 00:02:40	lukelau	I presume its this? https://github.com/Gabriel439/haskell-nix
2018-12-02 00:02:53	lukelau	Added to my reading list
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2018-12-02 00:58:15	domenkozar	alanz: happy to discuss that :)
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2018-12-02 02:21:16	lukelau	What’s the difference between the stack-build-icu docker image on quay.io and the default haskell one on docker hub?
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2018-12-02 06:15:46	sam__	Morning. Tried running `make build-all` but am running into some problem with my cabal version not supporting the command `v1-update`.
2018-12-02 06:17:04	sam__	I can see make running `stack install cabal-install` before running it. I would expect installing it from a specific stackage snapshot would make sure that any necessary commands are supported?
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2018-12-02 09:41:16	sam__	Any idea abou the v1-update issue with cabal-install?
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2018-12-02 11:18:05	sclv	sam__: why do you want a `v1-update`?
2018-12-02 11:18:34	sclv	its just plain `update` iirc
2018-12-02 11:18:47	sclv	also update and new update are the same i think
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2018-12-02 12:27:00	sam__	sclv: it's not me, it's done from `make build-all`
2018-12-02 12:27:25	sclv	You can just fis
2018-12-02 12:27:31	sclv	Fix the makefile
2018-12-02 12:57:01	sam__	i was just wondering if this is a bug or if i am doing something wrong?
2018-12-02 13:14:26	@alanz	sclv, using plain update with the latest cabal-install produces a wall of scary warning text, that using v1-update does not
2018-12-02 13:15:10	sclv	right -- but using v1-update with anything but the latest doesn't work at all :-P
2018-12-02 13:15:15	@alanz	and due to lack of new-build support in the installation of cabal-helper-wrapper, we need to use the old cabal commands to make sure that Cabal-2.4.1.0 is installed
2018-12-02 13:15:18	@alanz	old style
2018-12-02 13:15:30	@alanz	So I see
2018-12-02 13:15:53	@alanz	So I guess it is back to the old wall of warning
2018-12-02 13:16:22	@alanz	and the sooner we have the next-gen cabal helper the bette
2018-12-02 13:16:24	@alanz	r
2018-12-02 13:21:42	--	Notice(GitHub82): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fpKLc
2018-12-02 13:21:42	--	Notice(GitHub82): haskell-ide-engine/master 3246eac Alan Zimmerman: Use legacy cabal commands, despite warnings...
2018-12-02 13:21:55	@alanz	sam__, current master should work for you
2018-12-02 13:22:26	sam__	trying it out right now. Thanks!!!
2018-12-02 13:22:49	sam__	I have to say the latest version seemed pretty nice so far in VSCode. Makes me really happy!
2018-12-02 13:22:59	sam__	I really appreciate your hard work on this
2018-12-02 13:23:06	@alanz	good to hear some feedback, thanks
2018-12-02 13:23:36	sam__	I find the Haskell community at large to be stuck in a local maximum of comfort when it comes to editor tooling and not many people are interested in advancing the status quo.
2018-12-02 13:24:05	@alanz	sam__, I think there have been many attempts
2018-12-02 13:24:24	@alanz	but before LSP, each one had a small set of potential contributors
2018-12-02 13:24:49	@alanz	because without LSP you need a really wide skill set, to be able to do decent integrations in each IDE
2018-12-02 13:25:18	@alanz	now it is up to the IDE to provide a decent LSP client, and this work is shared across all languages using the IDE and LSP
2018-12-02 13:25:21	sam__	People have reached sufficient productivity with some sort of custom ghci based workflow and get stuck in Stockholm syndrome.
2018-12-02 13:25:28	@alanz	so it has a pool of skilled contributors
2018-12-02 13:25:33	sam__	Yeah, LSP is by MS right?
2018-12-02 13:25:36	@alanz	yes
2018-12-02 13:26:09	@alanz	I would say stuck, having made attempts and not made much progress.
2018-12-02 13:26:10	sam__	MS is so good nowadays :)
2018-12-02 13:26:46	@alanz	Yes, and old timers say beware, when MS is being good they are setting up the extinguish part of embrace,extend,extinguish
2018-12-02 13:26:52	sam__	hehe
2018-12-02 13:26:59	sam__	lets hope they are wrong this time
2018-12-02 13:27:02	sam__	no more ballmer
2018-12-02 13:27:20	@alanz	But they are definitely doing good stuff at the moment, and their stuff is open source, so we can carry on regardless
2018-12-02 13:27:32	sam__	VSCode, F#, TypeScript, LSP, dotnetcore
2018-12-02 13:27:36	@alanz	the warning signs will be proprietary extensions
2018-12-02 13:27:45	@alanz	github, SPJ
2018-12-02 13:28:37	sam__	heh, i was about to bring up GH, but not sure if they really should be credited for it yet ")
2018-12-02 13:29:14	@alanz	well, they own it, for better or worse
2018-12-02 13:29:52	@alanz	and there is an argument that they bring stability, and have a bigger vision, so not likely to try to unicorn/monetise it as much as some arbitrary VC would
2018-12-02 13:58:04	sam__	now getting an error for `make install`
2018-12-02 13:58:27	sam__	Installing GHC ...
2018-12-02 13:58:35	sam__	Received ExitFailure 2 when running
2018-12-02 13:59:11	@alanz	you should be running "make build"?
2018-12-02 13:59:18	sam__	make build-all
2018-12-02 14:06:24	@alanz	or that
2018-12-02 14:12:40	sam__	yeah thats what im running
2018-12-02 14:13:58	sam__	would it be possible to use gitter for this project btw?
2018-12-02 14:14:08	sam__	im getting a bit lazy about using IRC these days
2018-12-02 14:16:09	@alanz	sam__, it is bridged through onto matrix too
2018-12-02 14:16:22	@alanz	and I am a bit lazy to use gitter
2018-12-02 14:22:03	sam__	hehe ok
2018-12-02 14:22:17	sam__	well i'll respect that decision
2018-12-02 14:22:49	sam__	i just like the fact that i get a free history of the channel without manually setting anything up if i use something like gitter
2018-12-02 14:23:11	sam__	and dont need to create yet another account for somebodys slack
2018-12-02 14:23:26	@alanz	fair enough
2018-12-02 14:23:40	@alanz	btw, I just picked up a bunch of missing `\` in the makefile
2018-12-02 14:23:56	@alanz	I guess we should add "make build-all" to the test suite
2018-12-02 14:24:34	@alanz	I normally test is locally, but only with "make build", and only on the linux path
2018-12-02 14:24:37	sam__	i usually dont really pay close attention to which version of GHC i use so I just run make build-all to be on the safe side :)
2018-12-02 14:24:46	@alanz	that is the idea
2018-12-02 14:24:49	sam__	i just do hobby coding in Haskell atm
2018-12-02 14:24:58	@alanz	provided you have a beefy machine and/or hours to spare
2018-12-02 14:25:12	@alanz	How are you finding it? Haskell I mean?
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2018-12-02 18:06:11	@alanz	domenkozar, ready for a chat whenever you are.
2018-12-02 18:39:40	lmy9900	stack --stack-yaml=<stack.yaml you used to build hie> exec hoogle generate
2018-12-02 18:39:52	lmy9900	stack haddock --keep-going
2018-12-02 18:41:35	lmy9900	After executing these two commands, which directory will the document be downloaded to?
2018-12-02 18:41:35	lmy9900	`stack haddock --keep-going` Is the project generated to the documentation?
2018-12-02 18:41:36	lmy9900	`exec hoogle generate` Is the ghc base class library generated to the documentation?
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2018-12-02 18:51:06	@alanz	lmy9900, you do those in your project directory, and it generates the haddock docs and hoogle database for the dependencies used in your project
2018-12-02 18:51:24	@alanz	and stores them in the standard place on your machine for each of those
2018-12-02 18:52:30	lmy9900	i use mac，where is standard place
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2018-12-02 18:53:42	lmy9900	~/.hoogle ?
2018-12-02 18:53:46	lmy9900	alanz
2018-12-02 18:57:37	sam__	alanz: was offline for a while. I've been a big fan of Haskell and FP for quite some time. Just don't get an opportunity to use it at work.
2018-12-02 19:01:25	lmy9900	sam__ me too
2018-12-02 19:04:01	@alanz	lmy9900, it reports it on startup, iirc
2018-12-02 19:04:48	@alanz	So for me it says "Using hoogle db at: /home/alanz/.hoogle/default-haskell-5.0.17.hoo"
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2018-12-02 19:05:15	@alanz	you can override that location, with an environment variable
2018-12-02 19:06:30	lmy9900	ok
2018-12-02 19:07:26	lmy9900	Is it not some html file? Can't I edit them? I want to read the source code of the class library, and then add some of my own reading notes.
2018-12-02 19:07:50	sam__	alanz: do you have any tip for how to figure out why make build-all doesn't work?
2018-12-02 19:09:33	@alanz	sam__, I pushed an update after you went offline, there were some line continuations missing in the makefile
2018-12-02 19:09:48	@alanz	which meant build-all couldn't work
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2018-12-02 19:12:38	sam__	ah ill try again
2018-12-02 19:13:26	sam__	hmm, how did my submodules get dirty? is that expected?
2018-12-02 19:13:39	sam__	haskell-lsp and yi-rope
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2018-12-02 19:16:34	@alanz	that is not expected
2018-12-02 19:16:42	@alanz	no wait, it is
2018-12-02 19:17:15	@alanz	those submodules got removed, so either do a brand new checkout in a clean dir, or "rm -fr submodules/yi-rope"
2018-12-02 19:17:17	@alanz	etc
2018-12-02 19:17:42	 *	alanz cant wait to get a fully hackage/stack based install
2018-12-02 19:19:07	sam__	I can't remember how submodules work. Shouldn't they get removed from .gitmodules?
2018-12-02 19:21:33	@alanz	yes, but git then gets amnesia, and does not remember that it created those submodule dirs in the first place
2018-12-02 19:22:17	@alanz	and one of the things that changed in master was to remove all the submodules except the ones we actually use, being ghc-mod and cabal-helper
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2018-12-02 19:31:19	sam__	right, but it should updated the .gitmodules file itself shouldnt it?
2018-12-02 19:34:00	@alanz	Hmm, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/.gitmodules
2018-12-02 19:34:03	@alanz	I see what you mean
2018-12-02 19:34:28	@alanz	I did clean it up, must have got lost in my merge. Guess it has to be done directly on master
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2018-12-02 20:04:14	sam__	alanz: ok, so i wasnt being confused :)
2018-12-02 20:04:30	@alanz	nope, I screwed up.
2018-12-02 20:05:15	@alanz	but, you should be able to blow away everything under submodules, then "git submodule update --init --recursive" to get the right (clean) ones back
2018-12-02 20:25:55	sam__	did you update master?
2018-12-02 20:28:31	@alanz	not for the submodule pruning. Working on something else at the moment, that is not critical
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2018-12-02 23:57:09	freeman42x	I just run into this: https://github.com/Tehnix/ide-haskell-hie/issues/34
2018-12-03 00:01:18	@alanz	can you build your project from the command line?
2018-12-03 00:02:03	@alanz	and it is possible that it is building cabal-helper, which may take a *long time*, the first time, especially if Cabal-2.4.1.0 is not installed via the old cabal install
2018-12-03 00:09:51	freeman42x	alanz, I'll check back a bit later. Trying Haskelly now
2018-12-03 00:10:02	@alanz	ok
2018-12-03 00:10:26	freeman42x	the same project worked fine on NixOS
2018-12-03 00:11:22	freeman42x	but the code files were not even included in the cabal file, yet HIE client worked for it
2018-12-03 00:11:38	freeman42x	it was showing types on hover and autocomplete worked
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2018-12-03 00:15:29	freeman42x	also I run hie from cmd and it downloaded some things. when I ran it later it just started and went into waiting mode
2018-12-03 00:33:10	freeman42x	RIP Haskelly, doesn't work either. I'm giving HIE a try in VS Code and after that I'll get back to Atom issue
2018-12-03 00:38:21	freeman42x	alanz, I run stack build and it builds successfully
2018-12-03 00:40:39	freeman42x	added all the source files to the solution and it is still building
2018-12-03 00:41:22	@alanz	well, the issue is likely in the atom client then. Can you try it with e.g. vscode and see what happens?
2018-12-03 00:41:29	@alanz	or emacs
2018-12-03 00:42:09	freeman42x	I tried with VS Code and it still does not work, I get no types on hover or autocomplete
2018-12-03 00:42:39	freeman42x	still getting the spinning balls after that successful build
2018-12-03 00:42:42	@alanz	is your project public somewhere?
2018-12-03 00:43:01	freeman42x	yes, but without having the sources added to the cabal file, I'll push that now
2018-12-03 00:43:10	freeman42x	it's just a bunch of CodeWars katas
2018-12-03 00:44:27	freeman42x	alanz, https://github.com/razvan-panda/Haskell-CodeWars
2018-12-03 00:47:41	@alanz	ok, will take a look
2018-12-03 00:49:36	freeman42x	alanz, thank you
2018-12-03 00:50:59	freeman42x	just tell me if you want me to test anything else, I'm on Windows so maybe the error only happens there
2018-12-03 00:53:51	@alanz	freeman42x, for me, after doing "stack build", it works, both in emacs and vscode
2018-12-03 00:54:19	@alanz	did you install hie via hie-nix? or via the make process (powershell script?)
2018-12-03 00:56:46	freeman42x	I'm on Windows, I installed hie via stack --stack-yaml=stack-8.2.2.yaml install inside the project
2018-12-03 00:57:06	freeman42x	didn't use the PS script because I had issues with HIE >= 8.2.2 on Linux
2018-12-03 00:57:32	@alanz	try running the install script, you can choose a particular compiler version, I think.
2018-12-03 00:58:08	@alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/build-all.ps1#L43
2018-12-03 00:59:58	freeman42x	if only I knew PS though. Is it fine if I just run it as mentioned in documentation?
2018-12-03 01:01:22	@alanz	your guess is as good as mine :)
2018-12-03 01:01:41	@alanz	But I would presume so, it has been written by people who know what they are doing
2018-12-03 01:02:08	freeman42x	hehe, ok, I will just run it for all
2018-12-03 01:03:07	freeman42x	Haskell IDE tools setup almost never "just work". That makes me question the skill of the people working on them. Or maybe issues with Haskell itself
2018-12-03 01:03:09	@alanz	be prepared to wait a while
2018-12-03 01:03:37	freeman42x	alanz, I am actually twitch streaming this. RIP viewers
2018-12-03 01:05:11	@alanz	you'll have to make some entertaining voice overs :)
2018-12-03 01:05:29	freeman42x	hahaha, like soccer commentators but for Haskell build processes
2018-12-03 01:05:34	@alanz	yep
2018-12-03 01:05:41	@alanz	or horse racing commentary
2018-12-03 01:05:51	@alanz	as we come up to the GHC 8.2.2 mark, we have ..
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2018-12-03 01:06:15	freeman42x	horse racing is when multiple libraries are being built in parallel I guess. Betting on which one will build first
2018-12-03 01:08:02	freeman42x	building is like that joke about wanting a banana, and getting a monkey and the entire jungle with it
2018-12-03 01:08:43	freeman42x	I'm kinda worried that I went from 1 working IDE to 0 working IDEs so I can't properly do Haskell now :/
2018-12-03 01:15:13	@alanz	well, guess you need to wait it out now
2018-12-03 01:15:42	@alanz	else just run that script with the ghc version you are using
2018-12-03 01:22:21	@alanz	lukelau, the waiting period starts again: https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/releases/tag/v1.9.3
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2018-12-03 03:30:02	freeman42x	alanz, no luck, build finally finished but still getting them spinning balls
2018-12-03 03:31:24	freeman42x	alanz, anything else I can help to debug it?
2018-12-03 03:39:39	freeman42x	in VS Code I am just getting Loading... when hovering over a type
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2018-12-03 09:00:15	mankyKitty	how can I check if there is a new version of hie-nix to get from cachix ? I'm missing something obvious, but I can't find a nice way to compare what I have to what is on cachix 
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2018-12-03 09:39:48	benkolera	Try to install hie-nix from master and control C if it starts building source? ;) mankyKitty 
2018-12-03 09:40:25	mankyKitty	>.>
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2018-12-03 19:27:32	--	Notice(GitHub66): [haskell-ide-engine] JasonMFry opened pull request #970: Updates installation instructions (master...patch-1) https://git.io/fp68Y
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2018-12-04 01:27:37	--	Notice(GitHub57): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #970: Updates installation instructions (master...patch-1) https://git.io/fp68Y
2018-12-04 01:27:38	--	Notice(GitHub171): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fp6hX
2018-12-04 01:27:38	--	Notice(GitHub171): haskell-ide-engine/master 0667c22 Jason: Updates installation instructions...
2018-12-04 01:27:38	--	Notice(GitHub171): haskell-ide-engine/master ed512e2 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #970 from JasonMFry/patch-1...
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2018-12-04 02:23:07	@alanz	If anyone is interested, https://mail.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2018-December/130296.html can potentially use HIE as the integration vehicle.
2018-12-04 02:23:44	@alanz	so it could be an opportunity to get paid to work on good stuff, including hie
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2018-12-04 04:12:17	freeman42x	alanz, is there anyone else who could help me with that hie issue? :)
2018-12-04 04:21:16	freeman42x	I created a ticket for VS Code also: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/issues/124
2018-12-04 04:37:37	freeman42x	getting a new error in Atom now: https://github.com/Tehnix/ide-haskell-hie/issues/36
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2018-12-04 07:58:45	lukelau	alanz: 👀 
2018-12-04 07:59:04	lukelau	PhD is a few more years away for me sadly
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2018-12-04 12:51:33	@alanz	lukelau, the interesting thing is they are looking for interns too. Whatever that means
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2018-12-04 16:47:40	jose_zap	alanz I would love to move forward with building binaries for hie in travis. Was there any luck getting a hold on the travis account?
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2018-12-04 18:11:48	@alanz	jose_zap, I just looked, and it seems I can change config on it (managed to add a garbage environment var). What needs to happen?
2018-12-04 18:12:07	jose_zap	we need to setup the commit hook again
2018-12-04 18:12:46	jose_zap	this page may help https://help.github.com/enterprise/2.14/admin/guides/developer-workflow/continuous-integration-using-travis-ci/
2018-12-04 18:13:29	@alanz	ok, will take a look
2018-12-04 18:17:03	jose_zap	thanks
2018-12-04 18:20:09	--	Notice(GitHub31): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz created travis (+1 new commit): https://git.io/fpipC
2018-12-04 18:20:09	--	Notice(GitHub31): haskell-ide-engine/travis 8faca70 Alan Zimmerman: Trying to enable travis again
2018-12-04 18:20:28	@alanz	jose_zap, see https://travis-ci.org/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/builds/463326376
2018-12-04 18:21:03	jose_zap	was that triggered as a test from github?
2018-12-04 18:29:05	@alanz	yes, I pushed to a branch called travis
2018-12-04 18:29:19	@alanz	you are welcome to carry on with that branch
2018-12-04 18:29:34	@alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/tree/travis
2018-12-04 18:30:05	jose_zap	awesome, I will work on the binaries :D
2018-12-04 18:30:42	@alanz	if we focus just on the build, not the test, we may be able to stay in the limit
2018-12-04 18:33:16	jose_zap	I can certainly remove the testing part, but I had already solve the problem of the limit by using stages
2018-12-04 18:33:29	jose_zap	so I just need to re-introduce them
2018-12-04 18:33:51	@alanz	ok, thats even better
2018-12-04 18:34:14	@alanz	why did we disable travis?
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2018-12-04 18:38:17	jose_zap	I was not around when that happened, but I believe it was due to the time limit
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2018-12-04 18:40:16	@alanz	I think you are right, which is why the staging build confuses me. But if we can get it back, it will be great
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2018-12-04 18:43:53	jose_zap	alanz I was able to trigger builds manually from travis, that's were it came from
2018-12-04 18:44:45	@alanz	ok
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2018-12-04 23:11:56	@alanz	wz1000, FYI https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/indexFormat/specification.md
2018-12-04 23:12:42	@alanz	looks like something we can massage .hie output into
2018-12-04 23:23:01	wz1000	alanz: neat - it has a pretty much one to one mapping with the information in hie files
2018-12-04 23:23:43	wz1000	documentSymbol, foldingRange,definition,typeDefinition,references
2018-12-04 23:23:48	@alanz	that's what I thought. And as a spec, it is likely to be widely supported, so turning our problem into only converting .hie into it
2018-12-04 23:24:12	@alanz	Its so great to be riding on the back of a universal thing
2018-12-04 23:24:20	@alanz	so our language reaps the benefits
2018-12-04 23:26:17	wz1000	so this is still in the proposal stage? the format isn't defined yet?
2018-12-04 23:29:22	wz1000	Ok, so the embedding content thing seems like it would solve the go to library definition issue
2018-12-04 23:30:18	wz1000	the problem with go to defn on external symbols is that HIE doesn't know where the source filese for the libraries are(or if they even exist)
2018-12-04 23:31:45	wz1000	If I am reading this correctly, we can create "virtual files" for library modules (given the .hie file, which contains the original source) and embed it in the dump
2018-12-04 23:36:35	wz1000	This might also mean that we can be less cautious with breaking changes to .hie files - if people interact with .hie files mostly through LSIF files, we have a layer of insulation
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2018-12-04 23:44:44	@alanz	wz1000, I agree
2018-12-04 23:45:06	@alanz	And I see the current PR on .hie files as a rough draft, to get a feel for things
2018-12-04 23:45:16	@alanz	it *will* change, as we find out things
2018-12-04 23:45:46	@alanz	wz1000, we can jump in on discussions around the format :)
2018-12-04 23:45:51	@alanz	the LSP one, that is
2018-12-04 23:46:28	wz1000	yeah. Apparently they are going to release an implementation soon
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2018-12-04 23:48:26	wz1000	I guess wrangling hie files into this would be extremely easy once we have the haskell-lsp types
2018-12-04 23:48:33	@alanz	agree
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2018-12-04 23:48:42	wz1000	which seem to overlap quite a bit with the regular lsp types
2018-12-04 23:48:48	@alanz	things are moving so fast, keeping up is a challenge :)
2018-12-04 23:49:13	@alanz	well, I think the idea is that you just persist them, so you have a record of the info
2018-12-04 23:49:23	@alanz	which works great for library files and the like
2018-12-04 23:49:55	@alanz	so best case it is the same types as used in lsp, you can just resolve the request from the store directly, if needed
2018-12-04 23:50:11	@alanz	so cross-project defintions, etc
2018-12-04 23:50:26	@alanz	tbh,I have only skimmed it so far
2018-12-04 23:51:08	wz1000	yeah, but they define a new graph like data structure that links everything together
2018-12-04 23:51:19	@alanz	makes sense
2018-12-04 23:52:22	wz1000	and also for deduplication, so if you have `foo bar .... foo`, the hover data for foo is only stored once
2018-12-04 23:53:19	@alanz	ok
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2018-12-05 00:14:11	@alanz	seems we have a bridge to gitter too :)
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2018-12-05 04:54:11	gleachkr	Troubleshooting an issue with languageClient-nvim and hie, I'm wondering if anybody else is seeing this:
2018-12-05 04:54:59	gleachkr	Range formatting and code actions both are very slow - they take perhaps two or three seconds to complete, and freeze nvim at 100% CPU in the mean time.
2018-12-05 04:56:36	gleachkr	And, even stranger, the undo file ends up gaining about 500K. Pressing undo after applying the changes causes the same processing spike.
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2018-12-05 22:13:35	@alanz	This edwin brady video on blodwin shows what I would like to see as conversational programming via hie.  https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/a2mza3/edwin_brady_on_blodwen_idris_successor_with/
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2018-12-05 22:59:56	--	Notice(GitHub64): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #976: Bump pretty-show in cabal-helper and lsp-test (master...bump-ch) https://git.io/fp18B
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2018-12-06 00:38:27	lukelau	alanz: I have a feeling that flaky test may be due to the fact that it is the first functional test run
2018-12-06 00:38:49	@alanz	why?
2018-12-06 00:39:31	lukelau	The timeout is set to 30 seconds or something I think, could be possible that it just takes a long time to build the .stack-work cache for those test files
2018-12-06 00:39:34	lukelau	Thats just a theory anyway
2018-12-06 00:39:57	lukelau	Those circleCI machines aren’t terribly fast
2018-12-06 00:41:14	@alanz	that could be a thing, building cabal-helper
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2018-12-06 00:41:22	@alanz	it *is* the first test
2018-12-06 00:41:56	@alanz	I wonder how we could force/trigger that, whithout affecting the timeout for the rest
2018-12-06 00:42:48	lukelau	We could spin up an empty session with a long timeout before any of the spec files are run
2018-12-06 00:43:11	lukelau	and just wait for the session to return the initialized response etc
2018-12-06 00:43:19	@alanz	makes sense
2018-12-06 00:43:47	lukelau	This is only a theory I had though, I’ve started a build on my fork to test it out
2018-12-06 00:45:13	@alanz	it sounds like a good one though. Makes sense
2018-12-06 00:45:26	@alanz	there is *so* much state in this project
2018-12-06 00:45:52	@alanz	btw, sometime we should set up a test run on hercules-ci.com, to test nix builds
2018-12-06 00:46:02	@alanz	or hope that the nix guys do that
2018-12-06 00:46:17	@alanz	domenkozar, ^^^ hint hint
2018-12-06 00:46:27	lukelau	Any early access going? :)
2018-12-06 00:46:45	@alanz	I hope so, let's see what happens
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2018-12-06 12:51:25	--	Topic for #haskell-ide-engine is "https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine. Still not an IDE. | Logs at http://ircbrowse.net/browse/haskell-ide-engine"
2018-12-06 12:51:25	--	Topic set by alanz (alanz@gateway/shell/firrre/x-hlvsyshveclrenlt) on Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:40:57
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2018-12-06 18:55:44	--	Notice(GitHub141): [haskell-ide-engine] JasonMFry opened pull request #979: Clarifies installation instructions (master...patch-1) https://git.io/fpMD7
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2018-12-06 19:09:45	domenkozar	alanz: soon - January
2018-12-06 19:09:56	domenkozar	don't want to spoil end of year :D
2018-12-06 19:09:58	domenkozar	btw
2018-12-06 19:10:00	domenkozar	Server does not allow request for unadvertised object 820dc559b24cfb4639079635edd362c952822b6a\nFetched in submodule path 'submodules/brittany', but it did not contain 820dc559b24cfb4639079635edd362c952822b6a. Direct fetching of that commit failed.\n"
2018-12-06 19:10:25	domenkozar	weird.
2018-12-06 19:10:25	@alanz	domenkozar, you need to "git submodule sync" first. I will correct and push
2018-12-06 19:10:37	@alanz	And I figured you were on end of year holiday, no rush
2018-12-06 19:10:44	@alanz	enjoy it.
2018-12-06 19:11:04	@alanz	I have a note to self to sort out the submodules, let me do that
2018-12-06 19:11:30	domenkozar	k, seems like stack2nix doesn't sync submodules
2018-12-06 19:12:07	@alanz	I cant wait to get the deps managed through hackage, rather than submodules. It's such a pain
2018-12-06 19:12:56	--	Notice(GitHub185): [haskell-ide-engine] bubba pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fpMSO
2018-12-06 19:12:56	--	Notice(GitHub185): haskell-ide-engine/master f5b1faa Jason: Clarifies installation instructions...
2018-12-06 19:12:56	--	Notice(GitHub185): haskell-ide-engine/master cf7745c Luke Lau: Merge pull request #979 from JasonMFry/patch-1...
2018-12-06 19:12:58	--	Notice(GitHub172): [haskell-ide-engine] bubba closed pull request #979: Clarifies installation instructions (master...patch-1) https://git.io/fpMD7
2018-12-06 19:13:00	@alanz	and there is a problem with sync at the moment. I read up about it earlier, and master needs to have it done, and committed
2018-12-06 19:25:46	@alanz	Wow https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1260748/how-do-i-remove-a-submodule#1260982
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2018-12-06 19:31:46	--	Notice(GitHub119): haskell-ide-engine/master 1a5640f Alan Zimmerman: Remove (hopefully) unused submodules
2018-12-06 19:32:55	@alanz	domenkozar, do you want to try current master? should be synced, and uses only the needed submodules
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2018-12-06 20:05:32	domenkozar	alanz: works!
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2018-12-06 20:14:12	sam_	Good evening. I find that sometimes HIE seems to stop reacting to file changes in VSCode. Is there anything I could do to try to debug it?
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2018-12-06 21:14:56	lukelau	sam_: Usually I check the output console for hie, most of the time GHC ends up choking on something
2018-12-06 21:15:28	lukelau	I guess its not really a fix but a quick ctrl+p -> reload window gets hie back up and running again fairly quickly haha
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2018-12-06 22:16:44	lukelau	alanz: I think my theory was right https://circleci.com/gh/bubba/haskell-ide-engine/2037
2018-12-06 22:17:11	lukelau	Moving the command tests to the end causes the completion tests to fail instead
2018-12-06 22:23:32	wz1000	lukelau, sam: If you just run "pkill hie", vscode will automatically reload hie without needing to reload vscode itself
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2018-12-07 00:32:05	@alanz	sam_, did you build hie from a recent commit? We fixed the no-diagnostics-on-save thing about 2 commits back
2018-12-07 00:32:10	@alanz	lukelau, nice to here
2018-12-07 00:32:12	@alanz	hear
2018-12-07 00:33:20	pikajude	alanz, i'm trying to use a non-nix setup
2018-12-07 00:33:26	pikajude	with a proper vanilla `make build-all`
2018-12-07 00:33:30	pikajude	i'll let you know how it goes
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2018-12-07 00:40:11	@alanz	pikajude, sounds good
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2018-12-07 01:14:35	pikajude	ooh i remember why i can't use ghc 8.6
2018-12-07 01:14:46	pikajude	it's linked to nonexistent libraries
2018-12-07 01:19:32	pikajude	but i can fix it myself
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2018-12-07 01:36:00	pikajude	oh no i can't, because stack checks the shasum
2018-12-07 01:36:01	pikajude	UGH
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2018-12-07 02:18:36	@alanz	pikajude, I symlink the stack-installed ghc, and put that on my path, so the libraries all line up, regardless of whether I build with stack or cabal (the ghc-included libs, that is)
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2018-12-07 02:28:12	pikajude	oh clever
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2018-12-07 04:40:39	freeman42x	alanz, are there any instructions on how to build this: https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/tree/ghc-8.4-hie locally?
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2018-12-07 05:48:11	pikajude	okay alanz it seems to be working just fine with a "vanilla" installation
2018-12-07 05:48:34	pikajude	i screwed up by having the GHCs accidentally use nix's cctools rather than the system ones but other than that everything is OK
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2018-12-07 06:51:14	sam_	alanz: yeah i usually git pull --rebase every few days and try rebuilding. well recently i've not been able to rebuild fully.
2018-12-07 07:36:12	sam_	Still getting "ExitFailure 2" when trying to install GHC 8.6.1
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2018-12-07 18:55:14	--	Notice(GitHub117): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #982: Fix typo in Makefile (master...master) https://git.io/fpyfQ
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2018-12-07 18:55:15	--	Notice(GitHub80): haskell-ide-engine/master 13c8462 Hogeyama: Fix typo in Makefile
2018-12-07 18:55:15	--	Notice(GitHub80): haskell-ide-engine/master fe37051 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #982 from Hogeyama/master...
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2018-12-07 19:43:29	lukelau	sam___: Have you `git submodule sync && git submodule update —init` after pulling? The submodules were changed quite recently I think
2018-12-07 19:44:01	lukelau	alanz jose_zap: The appveyor builds are super slow since they don’t have any sort of parallelism, but travis CI now have windows builds albeit in beta
2018-12-07 19:44:33	lukelau	I’m trying it out with lsp-test at the moment
2018-12-07 19:45:02	lukelau	It might be a possibility that we could generate windows + macos binaries from travis
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2018-12-07 19:56:04	jose_zap	alanz oh, I can try adding windows builds to travis!
2018-12-07 20:05:30	@alanz	sounds good to me
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2018-12-07 22:56:32	lukelau	Are we getting rate limited on chocolatey? https://ci.appveyor.com/project/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/builds/20830660/job/5y387skm7qf7nb28 is giving us a 403 error
2018-12-07 22:56:51	lukelau	should https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/968 be ok to merge then
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2018-12-07 23:00:34	--	Notice(GitHub165): haskell-ide-engine/travis-deploy f39f534 Jose Lorenzo Rodriguez: I think this will fix it
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2018-12-08 01:22:46	--	Notice(GitHub189): haskell-ide-engine/master b5c1486 Luke Lau: Add 8.6.2 to dist and update nightly resolver
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2018-12-08 01:22:46	--	Notice(GitHub189): haskell-ide-engine/master 255d571 Luke Lau: Merge branch 'master' of https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine into 8.6.2-dist
2018-12-08 01:22:49	--	Notice(GitHub141): [haskell-ide-engine] bubba closed pull request #968: Add 8.6.2 to dist and update nightly resolver (master...8.6.2-dist) https://git.io/fpoMP
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2018-12-08 02:07:34	carter	i killed your ci jobs for the afternoon cause they were blocking me getting vector all green for a release today 
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2018-12-08 02:07:38	carter	thousand pardons
2018-12-08 02:07:45	carter	also: why is it currently only testing on OSX?
2018-12-08 02:44:39	freeman42x	I think this is why I was getting the spinning balls in Atom hie: https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/5780
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2018-12-08 03:43:55	--	Notice(GitHub166): haskell-ide-engine/travis-deploy 86335cb Jose Lorenzo Rodriguez: More debugging
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2018-12-08 03:44:42	lukelau	carter: I believe jose_zap is trying to set it up to get macos binaries working
2018-12-08 03:45:35	carter	Feel welcome to click retry on those builds.  Done getting a build done and released.
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2018-12-08 03:52:50	lukelau	No worries, I presume most of those builds were trail + error builds
2018-12-08 03:53:00	lukelau	*Trial
2018-12-08 03:54:21	jose_zap	yeah, still trying to understand why it cannot find the binaries at the end of the process
2018-12-08 03:54:26	jose_zap	but I'm really close to getting it
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2018-12-08 04:01:49	carter	Different default paths probably
2018-12-08 04:02:07	lukelau	jose_zap: see my comment
2018-12-08 04:02:27	lukelau	Wait hold on maybe its not true
2018-12-08 04:02:34	lukelau	How did you get the caches to be shared between previous stages?
2018-12-08 04:02:43	jose_zap	it is shared!
2018-12-08 04:02:49	jose_zap	but I think I just found the cause
2018-12-08 04:03:04	jose_zap	it can only be shared when the same env vars are present
2018-12-08 04:03:07	jose_zap	that's all
2018-12-08 04:03:08	lukelau	Yeah thats it
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2018-12-08 04:03:15	jose_zap	easy to fix
2018-12-08 04:03:31	lukelau	So do you just need to set the env var to like 8.6.2 for the deployment step?
2018-12-08 04:03:56	jose_zap	I think so
2018-12-08 04:04:01	lukelau	But then I think you only get the cache for the 8.6.2 builds
2018-12-08 04:04:11	jose_zap	hmm, true
2018-12-08 04:04:22	lukelau	I remember running into some problem like this the last time I tried travis ci
2018-12-08 04:04:35	jose_zap	we need an s3 bucket
2018-12-08 04:05:04	lukelau	Hmm remember that guy that wanted to donate $20 towards hie?
2018-12-08 04:05:09	lukelau	Maybe we could use the money haha
2018-12-08 04:05:37	lukelau	Alternatively I have a small digital ocean droplet which I would be happy to use for sftp or similar for collecting the artefacts
2018-12-08 04:05:47	jose_zap	we could also upload binaries one by one
2018-12-08 04:06:05	jose_zap	hie-8.6.2-darwin
2018-12-08 04:06:08	jose_zap	and so on
2018-12-08 04:06:28	lukelau	that is the most tempting option
2018-12-08 04:06:35	jose_zap	I'll do that 
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2018-12-08 14:30:37	lukelau	alanz: About to sit my functional program exam, hopefully you’ve taught me a thing or two!
2018-12-08 14:31:39	@alanz	I think you taught yourself quite a bit, doing the GSOC. Good luck
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2018-12-10 20:55:59	sam_	I still have some mysterious problem with building HIE for GHC 8.6.2. "Received ExitFailure 2 when running" "Raw command: /usr/bin/make install" I tried adding -v to both the stack build and install commands for hie-8.6.2 but nothing interesting showed up.
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2018-12-10 21:15:24	@alanz	sam_, what o/s are you on?
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2018-12-11 13:34:13	infinisil	I seem to have accepted random failures all the time. Restarting HIE like 10 times per hour..
2018-12-11 13:34:50	infinisil	And sometimes this doesn't even work so I have to restart emacs
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2018-12-11 14:30:47	wz1000	alanz: can I steal your LSP diagrams from the HaskellX slides?
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2018-12-11 15:18:02	@alanz	wz1000, with pleasure
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2018-12-11 15:29:32	wz1000	alanz: do you have the original images by any chance?
2018-12-11 15:57:05	@alanz	wz1000, hold on, will take a look
2018-12-11 15:58:46	@alanz	wz1000, I just sent you a link to my original doc
2018-12-11 16:01:26	wz1000	alanz: thanks
2018-12-11 16:02:09	@alanz	I can send you an edit link if you need it too, but you will have to have a gmail account
2018-12-11 16:02:41	wz1000	I'm not using google docs to make the presentation
2018-12-11 16:03:24	wz1000	It's ok, I just grabbed the images from your presentation
2018-12-11 16:18:04	@alanz	thats fine, I wasn't sure if you would be able to with that link
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2018-12-11 18:56:12	wz1000	alanz, lukelau, dxld: slides for my upcoming talk: https://drive.google.com/file/d/19WAk5hkmbAFt-21SxmrynuZ3mxKerU2J/view
2018-12-11 18:56:20	wz1000	(They mention all of you)
2018-12-11 18:57:18	@alanz	wz1000, oops, need to wear a disguise on the day
2018-12-11 18:58:03	@alanz	I like slide 6
2018-12-11 18:59:12	@alanz	wz1000, looks good. Keeps up the momentum, lots of goodies coming
2018-12-11 19:11:07	lukelau	wz1000: nice, spread the word far and wide!
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2018-12-12 01:46:49	lukelau	alanz: re https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/a55oa2/focus_on_haskell_ide_engine/ , presumably hie files are the next thing on the roadmap?
2018-12-12 01:49:17	@alanz	lukelau, yes, but they first have to be merged into master for GHC, and then worked through
2018-12-12 01:49:44	@alanz	I think we might be better off doing something based on the LSIF or whatever thing being proposed by the LSP guys at the moment
2018-12-12 01:50:01	@alanz	which will at least work for current GHCs too
2018-12-12 01:50:17	@alanz	and then use the .hie files as just a source of information into it
2018-12-12 01:50:24	lukelau	How much of this work needs to be done inside ghc-mod?
2018-12-12 01:50:42	@alanz	I am not sure, tbh
2018-12-12 01:51:51	@alanz	It should be possible to put something together, perhaps based on what ninjatrappeur did, that search tool
2018-12-12 01:52:17	@alanz	or I think mpickering or someone did a kythe backend for haskell/hackage
2018-12-12 01:52:21	@alanz	so integrate that
2018-12-12 01:53:28	@alanz	I was also thinking of creating an issue something like https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-mode/issues/515
2018-12-12 01:53:39	@alanz	to let people vent/request
2018-12-12 01:54:13	lukelau	Might not be a bad idea
2018-12-12 01:54:35	lukelau	For the LSIF stuff we should also create a milestone/project for it on github
2018-12-12 01:54:40	@alanz	yes
2018-12-12 01:54:48	lukelau	I presume its not a “one-ticket” type job
2018-12-12 01:54:58	@alanz	I agree
2018-12-12 01:55:25	@alanz	but I also think we should wait for the next vscode release, and see what it actually looks like there, before moving too fast on it
2018-12-12 01:56:08	@alanz	I am also hoping that by getting into more of a monthly release cycle we can also get some kind of momentum up
2018-12-12 01:56:30	lukelau	Definitely
2018-12-12 01:56:50	@alanz	And perhaps actually make milestones, being the calendar month, and aim to release on the 1st or so of each month.
2018-12-12 01:57:18	@alanz	and by definition it is whatever has landed in that month, but we can at least allocate issues, which can help people get a view on things
2018-12-12 01:58:17	@alanz	I actually think it is a good thing people are bitching. As stroustrup said of C++, there are two types of languages, dead ones, and ones that people complain about :)
2018-12-12 01:58:22	lukelau	Ahaha
2018-12-12 01:58:48	lukelau	I was about to say quite a few people seem to think hie died some time ago
2018-12-12 01:58:48	@alanz	so people actually care about what we are doing. Or not doing.
2018-12-12 01:59:14	lukelau	The new binary builds that jose_zap has been working on will also pay off with these releases
2018-12-12 01:59:28	@alanz	I have been keeping a lowish profile on it, rather let people come to it organically, so we can deal with new arrivals more easily
2018-12-12 01:59:54	@alanz	agree. That is hugely important. The builds are riduiculously long
2018-12-12 02:00:10	@alanz	takes forever on my machine, and it is new. Would hate to see it on older stuff
2018-12-12 02:00:21	lukelau	I think we’re going to have to start trimming some supported ghc versiobs
2018-12-12 02:00:23	lukelau	*versions
2018-12-12 02:00:28	@alanz	I agree
2018-12-12 02:00:41	lukelau	It doesn’t seem sustainable the way we’re doing it at the moment anyway
2018-12-12 02:01:11	lukelau	It all seems to boil down to the fact that we’re stuck with the version of the GHC package that hie is compiled with
2018-12-12 02:01:42	@alanz	Perhaps we should support last release of the older ones only, so 8.2.2, 8.4.3,8.4.2,8.6.2,8.6.3
2018-12-12 02:01:50	lukelau	A couple of weeks ago I took a look at the links in that dynamic loading of plugins issue to see if something like that could be done for the GHC module
2018-12-12 02:01:59	@alanz	8.4.4 i meant, not 8.4.2
2018-12-12 02:02:16	@alanz	I saw your comments on that
2018-12-12 02:02:17	lukelau	Yeah the same 8.x versions seem to work with hie
2018-12-12 02:02:26	lukelau	*the same hie verisons
2018-12-12 02:02:41	lukelau	It wasn’t fruitful though
2018-12-12 02:02:53	@alanz	And I would rather use a dynamic loader that I know is in use, so the one I proposed, as used at FB
2018-12-12 02:03:13	lukelau	Those packages I linked were all out of date
2018-12-12 02:03:15	@alanz	but that is more of a mid-range priority, I think
2018-12-12 02:03:32	@alanz	exactly. Hence my comment about something being used currently
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2018-12-12 02:04:11	lukelau	In the meantime do you think it would be feasible to start generating some linux binaries as well?
2018-12-12 02:04:49	lukelau	I presume things are lot trickier in the linux side when it comes to sharing binaries
2018-12-12 02:06:03	@alanz	I think we should start, and see what happens
2018-12-12 02:06:28	@alanz	The binary set shipped by GHC, and the variants produced for stack can serve as guidelines
2018-12-12 02:06:55	@alanz	and we can look at what ndm is doing for hlint, he makes binaries on travis for them
2018-12-12 02:07:17	lukelau	I need to revisit that comment he left on github
2018-12-12 02:07:46	@alanz	And I was thinking, I am sure the haskell people will be able to provide storage for them, if travis can't, and we need to put them somewhere.
2018-12-12 02:08:30	lukelau	By put them somewhere are you talking about the intermediate artifacts or the actual final binaries
2018-12-12 02:08:34	@alanz	I would prefer not to put them on github, they do all sorts of throttling. And I know the hackage etc stuff is behind a CDN, so that helps
2018-12-12 02:09:36	lukelau	Do we know what any of the other packages on the haskell github organisation do in terms of binaries?
2018-12-12 02:10:26	@alanz	the only one I know is hlint
2018-12-12 02:10:44	@alanz	just asked on #hackage, let's see what happens
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2018-12-12 02:12:20	@alanz	https://github.com/ndmitchell/hlint/releases/tag/v2.1.12
2018-12-12 02:12:44	@alanz	so there is a set of binary artifacts, and a script to fetch them
2018-12-12 02:13:11	@alanz	curl -sSL https://raw.github.com/ndmitchell/hlint/master/misc/travis.sh | sh -s .
2018-12-12 02:14:04	@alanz	this is the meat of it : https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ndmitchell/neil/master/misc/travis.sh
2018-12-12 02:15:22	lukelau	looks like that only generates macos binaries
2018-12-12 02:15:37	lukelau	since the .travis.yaml only has osx in the matrix
2018-12-12 02:16:20	lukelau	but somehow https://travis-ci.org/ndmitchell/hlint
2018-12-12 02:16:24	@alanz	well, the https://github.com/ndmitchell/hlint/releases/tag/v2.1.12 link lists windows, linux, osx
2018-12-12 02:16:46	@alanz	He may be building some of them via appveyor
2018-12-12 02:16:52	@alanz	probably best to just ask
2018-12-12 02:16:55	lukelau	ah yes
2018-12-12 02:17:10	lukelau	I misunderstood the build matrix
2018-12-12 02:17:24	lukelau	looks like it does a bunch of different GHC versions on linux and one macos build
2018-12-12 02:17:47	@alanz	which would make sense
2018-12-12 02:18:32	@alanz	I am also interested to see if we end up with an option via domenkozar, with the infrastructure he is now providing
2018-12-12 02:18:52	@alanz	Which I freely admit is more about the cool factor than anything else.
2018-12-12 02:19:12	@alanz	But if it gets the job done, then I will happily use it.
2018-12-12 02:19:30	@alanz	But that is a next year thing
2018-12-12 02:19:49	lukelau	Not very many days left in the year :)
2018-12-12 02:21:24	@alanz	I know. But a lot of people use them to be with their families. Especially here in the south, where it is peak summer holidays too
2018-12-12 02:21:47	@alanz	imagine Christmas coming in mid-july for you guys. That is our normal :)
2018-12-12 02:22:22	lukelau	Haha, this is all voluntary work anyway at the end of the day
2018-12-12 02:22:39	lukelau	Always wondered what christmas on the beach would be like though
2018-12-12 02:27:06	mpickering	I reimplemented haskell-indexer as a source plugin 
2018-12-12 02:27:11	mpickering	if that makes it easier to integrate at all
2018-12-12 02:28:45	@alanz	mpickering, good to know. But that is only for 8.6 and up?
2018-12-12 02:29:09	@alanz	I think we need to be quite aggressive with dropping older versions.
2018-12-12 02:29:38	@alanz	Keep the last supported binaries downloadable, but leave them behind
2018-12-12 02:29:46	mpickering	yes and there is the problem with 8.6 that running a plugin on a module marks it as unsafe
2018-12-12 02:30:04	mpickering	so if anyone uses safe haskell then it causes compilation to fail
2018-12-12 02:30:10	mpickering	so I implement a flag in ghc to turn off those checks
2018-12-12 02:32:13	@alanz	interesting.
2018-12-12 02:32:31	@alanz	Personally I am happy with using hooks the way we already are in hie
2018-12-12 02:32:58	@alanz	Getting all sorts of people suggesting plugins. What is the advantage of a source plugin over a GHC hook?
2018-12-12 02:34:28	@alanz	mpickering, FYI, this is becoming a thing: https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues/623
2018-12-12 02:34:35	mpickering	you can add a plugin with a command line flag
2018-12-12 02:35:08	@alanz	that is not a huge feature if you are already using the API
2018-12-12 02:36:22	mpickering	no.. but the point being using the API it's difficult to pass the right flags so that modules actually compile
2018-12-12 02:36:43	mpickering	anyway it's a small difference and you could run it as a hook as well probably with some small modification
2018-12-12 02:37:03	mpickering	thanks, it is good lsif exists as googles support for kythe is very lacking..
2018-12-12 02:37:49	@alanz	yes, and LSIF should trigger a mountain of compliant backend databases for it
2018-12-12 02:37:55	@alanz	which we can then tap into
2018-12-12 02:37:55	infinisil	alanz: Ohh that looks very interesting
2018-12-12 02:38:17	infinisil	(LSIF)
2018-12-12 02:38:22	@alanz	agree
2018-12-12 02:38:25	mpickering	So which of these requests does HIE currently support?
2018-12-12 02:38:37	mpickering	from the motivation section
2018-12-12 02:38:59	@alanz	I have not looked at the detail of the spec, but we are getting to have pretty good coverage
2018-12-12 02:39:24	 *	alanz looking
2018-12-12 02:40:46	@alanz	textDocument/ documentSymbol, definition, hover, references 
2018-12-12 02:41:35	@alanz	the other detailed lookups we could also be doing, they are quite new: typeDefinition, declaration
2018-12-12 02:42:08	@alanz	and I am not sure of the scope of references at the moment, module, project, wider
2018-12-12 02:43:43	mpickering	I am a bit confused by this spec tbh
2018-12-12 02:43:50	mpickering	it seems like these index files are going to be very big
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2018-12-12 02:45:47	@alanz	its quite an interesting format though, facts and relations between them
2018-12-12 02:46:08	@alanz	and mostly you want to go from a range in a doc to the stuff about it
2018-12-12 02:46:42	@alanz	and it is extensible, so you can just add another edge out from a given range to the new fact known about it
2018-12-12 02:46:51	mpickering	looks quite straightforward to implement after taking in all the details
2018-12-12 02:46:58	mpickering	perhaps I will have a go
2018-12-12 02:47:05	mpickering	are there any tools which consume this format?
2018-12-12 02:47:52	@alanz	apparently there is an implementation in vscode, probably the in-development/beta one
2018-12-12 02:48:24	@alanz	but if you asked on that issue they would tell you, those guys are pretty responsive
2018-12-12 02:49:08	@alanz	here is a reference to a demo, from the issue comments: https://code.visualstudio.com/blogs/2018/12/04/rich-navigation
2018-12-12 02:49:26	mpickering	the last comment indicates it would be possible to map the kythe representation to the vscode one
2018-12-12 02:49:31	@alanz	and see https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues/623#issuecomment-444490534
2018-12-12 02:49:37	@alanz	yes, I saw that
2018-12-12 02:50:27	@alanz	hmm, the blog post seems to indicate caching this stuff for use in github
2018-12-12 02:50:31	@alanz	interesting
2018-12-12 02:50:49	mpickering	I think it would more straightforward just to start from scratch though
2018-12-12 02:50:54	mpickering	perhaps
2018-12-12 02:50:56	@alanz	agree
2018-12-12 02:51:27	mpickering	I probably don't have space on my mac to download vscode lol
2018-12-12 02:51:59	@alanz	I don't think it is that big. The deb on my linux version is about 60M, I think
2018-12-12 02:52:40	@alanz	but it is best to experience this stuff on vscode, as a reference
2018-12-12 02:53:01	@alanz	because the spec does not always give you an insight into the dynamics of the thing
2018-12-12 02:53:25	mpickering	vscode does look quite good
2018-12-12 02:54:04	@alanz	It is a pretty good experience, I am half-toying with switching to it
2018-12-12 02:54:34	@alanz	they even have an implementation of org-mode in it, I am told
2018-12-12 02:54:36	mpickering	I need to get a NixOS desktop first for that
2018-12-12 02:55:02	@alanz	rather than mac?
2018-12-12 02:55:23	mpickering	well I do all development on my nixos server
2018-12-12 02:55:35	mpickering	No space on this HDD anymore!!
2018-12-12 02:55:40	@alanz	ok
2018-12-12 02:55:51	@alanz	get rid of the photos :)
2018-12-12 02:58:20	mpickering	I feel like out of principle I shouldn't delete anything
2018-12-12 02:58:33	mpickering	the problem isn't me, it's my small hard disk 
2018-12-12 02:59:38	@alanz	ok, but if you *can* get a vscode setup, it will help in getting experience with this stuff, as it is intended to be used
2018-12-12 03:00:11	mpickering	so is this demo using LSIF?
2018-12-12 03:00:19	mpickering	that wasn't clear to me, it doesn't seem aimed at developers
2018-12-12 03:01:22	@alanz	the demo is a link from that thread on LSIF, probably not aimed at developers, but explaining what it can enable
2018-12-12 03:02:00	mpickering	ok I see they explain that later
2018-12-12 03:02:16	@alanz	and I think this is also still very early stage
2018-12-12 03:02:36	@alanz	my view is to note it as interesting, and wait for something concrete to develop
2018-12-12 03:02:43	mpickering	If I actually want to use LSIF,  I have to install this extension? https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode-lsif-extension
2018-12-12 03:02:50	@alanz	but they do refer to that typescript lib that implements it
2018-12-12 03:03:51	@alanz	I guess. As I say, I have noted this, like what I see, but put it into my "investigate later" queue
2018-12-12 03:05:17	 *	alanz off to bed
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2018-12-12 09:08:18	wz1000	hie files have landed in ghc HEAD :)
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2018-12-13 00:02:57	@alanz	wz1000, have you seen https://github.com/haskell/haddock/pull/977
2018-12-13 00:03:15	@alanz	wz1000, congratulations on getting your GSOC landed
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2018-12-14 20:40:59	@alanz	wz1000, how did it go?
2018-12-14 21:28:20	wz1000	alanz: pretty good. Was a bit constrained for time, so had to rush a lot
2018-12-14 21:33:25	wz1000	videoshould be up in a couple fo weeks
2018-12-14 21:34:23	@alanz	Good. I looked at the site before, saw them asking you to shorten it
2018-12-14 21:34:45	@alanz	I find the demo's tend to sink time, people ask questions, you show them, the time passes
2018-12-14 21:34:56	@alanz	And I look forward to seeing the video
2018-12-14 21:53:39	wz1000	I didn't really have time for questions
2018-12-14 21:53:53	wz1000	but a bunch of people came up to me after
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2018-12-14 22:37:10	@alanz	nice
2018-12-14 22:37:25	@alanz	existing users, future users, contributors?
2018-12-14 22:42:36	wz1000	mostly people who were interested, or tried and couldn't get it work. And also a few that wanted to help with hyperlinked source
2018-12-14 22:48:07	@alanz	nice. Every bit of exposure helps, I think
2018-12-14 22:48:35	@alanz	And nice for you personally to show off the great stuff you have done.
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2018-12-15 20:57:28	--	Notice(GitHub44): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #996: Strip leading '-' from OPTIONS_GHC completions (master...994-completion) https://git.io/fpNU4
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2018-12-16 18:05:25	--	Notice(GitHub67): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #996: Strip leading '-' from OPTIONS_GHC completions (master...994-completion) https://git.io/fpNU4
2018-12-16 18:05:27	--	Notice(GitHub177): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fpNVu
2018-12-16 18:05:27	--	Notice(GitHub177): haskell-ide-engine/master 8d5a10f Alan Zimmerman: Strip leading '-' from OPTIONS_GHC completions...
2018-12-16 18:05:27	--	Notice(GitHub177): haskell-ide-engine/master 5b8cfbc Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #996 from alanz/994-completion...
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2018-12-16 18:55:40	--	Notice(GitHub94): [haskell-ide-engine] ianchanning opened pull request #998: Updated README installation instructions (master...patch-1) https://git.io/fpNo7
2018-12-16 19:00:10	sam_	is it possible to turn off this automatic insertion of the function prototype? it would be more helpful to have a TypeScript-style "parameter hints" floating box
2018-12-16 19:14:01	@alanz	sam_, please clarify, I am not sure what you mean
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2018-12-16 23:59:22	Unode	hi everyone, I'm trying to use firejail to keep hie's memory use under control without causing my old 4G-RAM system to hit swap every half an hour. vscode is currently starting hie correctly but I see no interaction. I'm also having a hard time figuring out what interface hie exposes to vscode.
2018-12-16 23:59:37	Unode	nothing seems to show up in netstat
2018-12-17 00:00:05	Unode	Is this documented somewhere?
2018-12-17 00:31:06	Unode	After poking it a little more I'm now even more confused than before :) . I see communication happening on stdin/out but at some point it simply stops and vscode acts as if hie failed to start.
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2018-12-17 02:18:51	Unode	ok managed to figure this out. firejail produces a little output and this breaks vscode's expectation. Calling 'firejail --quiet --rlimit-as=$MEM hie-wrapper "$@"' on a wrapper to hie-wrapper works as expected.
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2018-12-17 17:16:17	wz1000	alanz: ping
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2018-12-17 17:40:00	@alanz	wz1000, pong
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2018-12-17 18:09:09	wz1000	alanz: so, I've created a PoC tool that searches for the all references of a symbol by collecting all the data in .hie files 
2018-12-17 18:09:17	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/HieDb/
2018-12-17 18:09:35	wz1000	and I wanted your input on how I should persist this stuff to disk
2018-12-17 18:10:42	wz1000	custom format(with tools to read and write to the db), something well known like cscope, or lsif directly
2018-12-17 18:13:48	wz1000	What this format should support: 1) fast lookup (obviously), 2) when a particular .hie file changes, quickly update all the references in that file, 3) Fast addition of new .hie files to the db
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2018-12-17 18:15:33	wz1000	Currently, my tool uses ~4gb of memory when pointed to the ghc:HEAD root
2018-12-17 18:16:12	@alanz	wz1000, is that with the db in memory?
2018-12-17 18:16:15	wz1000	yes
2018-12-17 18:16:40	wz1000	that includes all of ghc and all its dependencies in libraries/
2018-12-17 18:16:53	@alanz	because I reckon we should store that stuff on disk somehow, maybe with something simple like sqlite, which is widely supported
2018-12-17 18:17:10	@alanz	and uses a single file, so can be protable
2018-12-17 18:17:16	wz1000	yeah, that's what I wanted some advice on. Which format to use on disk?
2018-12-17 18:17:30	@alanz	in fact, I have heard of people shipping stuff in sqlite dbs directly
2018-12-17 18:17:32	wz1000	So, I'm thinking, we don't actually need to store all the reference data in a single file
2018-12-17 18:17:56	@alanz	so we could have a pre-calculated sqlite db with the GHC stuff, you just download it
2018-12-17 18:18:24	@alanz	ok
2018-12-17 18:18:36	@alanz	one file per module, in a well-known location?
2018-12-17 18:18:36	wz1000	we just store for each symbol, every .hie file that it is referenced in. And then when we need to actually get all the references for the symbol, we go and read the .hie files in the symbols column
2018-12-17 18:18:59	@alanz	that could work
2018-12-17 18:19:45	@alanz	mpickering, have you started doing anything on this yet? Or do you have an opinion on this stuff?
2018-12-17 18:19:46	wz1000	so at worst, we store n*m cells, where n is the number of symbols and m is the number of files
2018-12-17 18:20:18	@alanz	is that what you are considering for the in-memory cache?
2018-12-17 18:20:43	wz1000	both in-memory and for the persistent representation
2018-12-17 18:21:07	mpickering	a haskell specific format just sounds bad
2018-12-17 18:21:12	@alanz	because I think we should come up with a way of doing it that does not put a constraint on available memory
2018-12-17 18:21:16	mpickering	why not something like kythe/lsif?
2018-12-17 18:21:35	wz1000	because we need efficient updates when a particular .hie file changes
2018-12-17 18:21:49	@alanz	wz1000, do we? 
2018-12-17 18:22:00	@alanz	because there are actually two separate use cases
2018-12-17 18:22:07	mpickering	Are you saying that other formats just don't consider this?
2018-12-17 18:22:09	wz1000	yes, so we don't have to recalcuate the entire table from scratch
2018-12-17 18:22:16	@alanz	1. Static info generated for libraries etc
2018-12-17 18:22:24	wz1000	mpickering: I think it would be difficult for lsif
2018-12-17 18:22:25	@alanz	2. stuff in the current "live" project
2018-12-17 18:22:39	wz1000	because you would have to manually go and update all the references
2018-12-17 18:23:00	mpickering	I just don't believe that we are the first people in the world to encounter this problem
2018-12-17 18:23:09	@alanz	each use case can potentially use a different storage/update mechanism
2018-12-17 18:23:13	mpickering	and there is already too much NIH (Not in Haskell) in the community 
2018-12-17 18:23:32	wz1000	cscope also has a representation that is supposed to handle efficient updates
2018-12-17 18:24:05	@alanz	well, sqlite is not a haskell lib
2018-12-17 18:24:08	wz1000	but I don't think it can deal with the haskell namespace structure
2018-12-17 18:24:39	wz1000	btw, generating this db for the entire ghc source tree, including deps, takes <20 seconds
2018-12-17 18:25:38	@alanz	nice. Because all the work is done while compiling, I guess
2018-12-17 18:26:56	@alanz	mpickering, I also think we are going to have to wait a while, for lsif storage implementations to emerge
2018-12-17 18:27:08	@alanz	the spec is not even finalised yet
2018-12-17 18:27:32	wz1000	they do have a vscode/typescript/c# implementation
2018-12-17 18:27:49	@alanz	ok
2018-12-17 18:28:17	@alanz	it would be nice if a thing like that could just run as a server
2018-12-17 18:30:45	wz1000	alanz: iirc, that is how it works. There is a lsp server that serves requests via lsif.json files
2018-12-17 18:33:25	@alanz	ok.
2018-12-17 18:33:48	@alanz	And can we massage hie data into lsif format to be served by that?
2018-12-17 18:33:58	wz1000	yes
2018-12-17 18:34:08	@alanz	That might be a good first step.
2018-12-17 18:34:50	@alanz	This is the same old trade-off between using something off the shelf and widely supported, but not using all the bells and whistles, and rolling our own
2018-12-17 18:35:33	@alanz	but at the end of the day, staying true to LSP is probably the best thing, because then we tag along with changes as they happen. Instead of running to catch up
2018-12-17 18:36:12	@alanz	So I guess it comes down to the purpose of a hie db. 
2018-12-17 18:36:35	@alanz	for use in HIE, the lsif one is probably good enough,
2018-12-17 18:37:30	@alanz	For use as a haskell/ghc-specific db, closely tied to what features are in the .hie files, something else would be needed
2018-12-17 18:37:41	@alanz	*and* there would have to be integration into hie for that
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2018-12-17 18:50:06	wz1000	alanz: but if we put in lsif files, then HIE will need to go through all the ceremony of parsing lsif files just to get references
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2018-12-17 19:08:27	@alanz	I guess. 
2018-12-17 19:09:15	@alanz	I see this as being an experimentation space anyway, so maybe do what seems right for you at this point, we can rework it based on learning
2018-12-17 19:09:48	@alanz	But I do think a crucial feature is to have it as a database, that can be queried. So that we are not forced to have an entire index in ram
2018-12-17 19:12:00	wz1000	yeah
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2018-12-18 01:40:36	--	Notice(GitHub102): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 5 new commits to master: https://git.io/fpxcr
2018-12-18 01:40:36	--	Notice(GitHub102): haskell-ide-engine/master eb4db47 Ian Channing: Updated README installation instructions...
2018-12-18 01:40:36	--	Notice(GitHub102): haskell-ide-engine/master 84dfbfc Ian Channing: In README.me use `make` instead of `stack install`...
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2018-12-18 01:40:38	--	Notice(GitHub41): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #998: Updated README installation instructions (master...patch-1) https://git.io/fpNo7
2018-12-18 01:55:09	--	Notice(GitHub0): [haskell-ide-engine] tmciver opened pull request #1000: Had to also install libgmp-dev on Ubuntu 18.04. (master...readme-fix) https://git.io/fpxCN
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2018-12-18 02:13:05	--	Notice(GitHub43): haskell-ide-engine/master 3dc4f6d Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #1000 from tmciver/readme-fix...
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2018-12-18 02:37:17	@alanz	We just merged PR #1000
2018-12-18 02:37:19	@alanz	wow
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2018-12-18 02:39:43	mankyKitty	Nice :) 
2018-12-18 02:40:47	@alanz	amazing how it creeps pu
2018-12-18 02:40:48	@alanz	up
2018-12-18 02:41:09	@alanz	except I think they now have issues and PRs on the same number range, so probably not that big a deal
2018-12-18 02:41:29	@alanz	we *do* have 2280 commits though
2018-12-18 02:47:36	mankyKitty	So just one or two, that's good. 
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2018-12-18 08:55:00	wz1000	https://ferrous-systems.com/blog/rust-analyzer-2019/
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2018-12-18 10:11:10	wz1000	alanz: just keeping track of what .hie files reference a particular symbol reduces memory usage to ~0.6G. But at the cost of slower lookups
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2018-12-18 12:31:16	@alanz	wz1000, that analyzer seems to be using the same architecture as the roslyn c# compiler (demand driven). And that is what I ultimately want in ghc, which is why I am aiming at the incremental parser to start
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2018-12-19 00:48:31	--	Notice(GitHub90): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #1003: Bring in GHC 8.6.3 support (master...ghc-8.6.3) https://git.io/fphf9
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2018-12-19 13:25:39	--	Notice(GitHub3): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fphyx
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2018-12-19 22:13:42	fendor	alanz, what do you think about the pull request #991 regarding the use of a shakefile, as proposed in issue #650?
2018-12-19 23:24:03	@alanz	fendor, I have been watching the progress with interest, but have not looked at it in detail yet, as the todo list at the top still had some missing bits
2018-12-19 23:24:38	@alanz	My biggest concern is that it needs to bring shake in first.  But I guess that can be managed fairly easily
2018-12-19 23:26:36	fendor	alanz, while mac is not fully tested, it has been tested for 8.6.2 and 8.4.4 but not fully. NixOS did not work in the Makefile either, and it seems like it never will due to PATH issues
2018-12-19 23:27:21	fendor	i think it is terrible that you have to download ghc 8.6.2 to just show a help message
2018-12-19 23:47:35	@alanz	exactly. Is there any way we can get it to work without a specific stack file?
2018-12-19 23:47:58	@alanz	maybe use the cabal-install method, which at least uses whatever GHC is installed
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2018-12-20 22:42:34	--	Topic set by alanz (alanz@gateway/shell/firrre/x-hlvsyshveclrenlt) on Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:40:57
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2018-12-20 22:44:34	--	Topic set by alanz (alanz@gateway/shell/firrre/x-hlvsyshveclrenlt) on Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:40:57
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2018-12-20 22:45:37	--	Topic set by alanz (alanz@gateway/shell/firrre/x-hlvsyshveclrenlt) on Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:40:57
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2018-12-20 22:53:58	--	Topic set by alanz (alanz@gateway/shell/firrre/x-hlvsyshveclrenlt) on Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:40:57
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2018-12-20 22:56:59	--	Topic set by alanz (alanz@gateway/shell/firrre/x-hlvsyshveclrenlt) on Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:40:57
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2018-12-20 22:59:17	--	Topic set by alanz (alanz@gateway/shell/firrre/x-hlvsyshveclrenlt) on Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:40:57
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2018-12-20 23:11:58	--	Topic set by alanz (alanz@gateway/shell/firrre/x-hlvsyshveclrenlt) on Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:40:57
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2018-12-21 16:25:18	--	Topic set by alanz (alanz@gateway/shell/firrre/x-hlvsyshveclrenlt) on Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:40:57
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2018-12-21 23:30:48	--	Topic set by alanz (alanz@gateway/shell/firrre/x-hlvsyshveclrenlt) on Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:40:57
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2018-12-21 23:36:23	--	Topic set by alanz (alanz@gateway/shell/firrre/x-hlvsyshveclrenlt) on Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:40:57
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2018-12-24 14:54:57	--	Notice(GitHub109): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #1007: Use LTS 13.0 for GHC 8.6.3 build (master...lts-13) https://git.io/fhUOT
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2018-12-24 16:47:24	--	Notice(GitHub62): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #1007: Use LTS 13.0 for GHC 8.6.3 build (master...lts-13) https://git.io/fhUOT
2018-12-24 16:47:28	--	Notice(GitHub110): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fhUGy
2018-12-24 16:47:28	--	Notice(GitHub110): haskell-ide-engine/master 4908e0e Alan Zimmerman: Use LTS 13.0 for GHC 8.6.3 build
2018-12-24 16:47:29	--	Notice(GitHub110): haskell-ide-engine/master e14e1fe Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #1007 from alanz/lts-13...
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2018-12-24 14:51:59	wz1000	winter cleaning :)
2018-12-24 14:53:15	@alanz	well, for me it is summer cleaning
2018-12-24 14:53:54	@alanz	I am stuck on the new cabal-helper integration, so channeling my work-avoidance into sorting the issues
2018-12-24 14:54:42	wz1000	I have some time this week if you want me to help out
2018-12-24 14:56:35	@alanz	ok, thanks. I am basically going through all open issues without a milestone, and either closing them, assigning them to the imminent milestone (end Jan 2019), or the indefinite future one
2018-12-24 14:57:07	@alanz	When that is done, it may make sense to what is in the Jan milestone, and whether/how they should be done.
2018-12-24 14:57:27	@alanz	The Dec milestone is basically anything that has been merged since 0.4.0.1
2018-12-24 14:57:51	@alanz	And pretty much whatever the state of things on 1 Jan, will be the 0.5.0.0 release
2018-12-24 14:57:58	@alanz	Aiming for monthly releases
2018-12-24 14:58:27	wz1000	ok. which issue number are you up to?
2018-12-24 14:59:57	@alanz	I'm working from the back, currently on https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues?page=5&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+no%3Amilestone
2018-12-24 15:00:10	@alanz	April 2018, basically
2018-12-24 15:00:36	@alanz	And my goal is a basic sort, not really addressing any of them.
2018-12-24 15:00:50	wz1000	ok, I'll start from the latest issues and we can meet in the middle
2018-12-24 15:00:58	@alanz	sounds good, thanks
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2018-12-24 16:19:12	@alanz	so, all open issues have been allocated to milestones
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2018-12-24 21:54:39	wz1000	nice. If you need any help with the cabal stuff, let me know
2018-12-24 21:54:51	wz1000	cabal-helper that is
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2018-12-24 23:48:09	@alanz	wz1000, my current problem is trying to manage the pt type variable in https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/tree/new-cabal-helper
2018-12-24 23:48:41	@alanz	using https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/tree/wip/new-build
2018-12-24 23:49:14	@alanz	I need to somehow pull out the ProjectType from the Cradle, in a way that I can call the runQuery command.
2018-12-24 23:49:48	@alanz	But my type-fu is not strong enough. It has to be something obvious/basic. Probably a refl, or perhaps a cast somewhere
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2018-12-25 01:57:41	bingo	hello o/
2018-12-25 01:58:19	bingo	does anyone know how to fault find a windows hie build?
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2018-12-26 12:00:39	meowray	is textDocument/signatureHelp expensive in hie?
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2018-12-26 14:02:02	wz1000	meowray: afaik, it is not implemented
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2018-12-27 03:39:09	lukelau	alanz: hello, just a heads up I removed the macOS binaries from github releases until I can figure out how to properly compile them statically
2018-12-27 03:39:33	@alanz	lukelau, that is fine. 
2018-12-27 03:39:42	lukelau	Looks like its not enough just to copy the binaries built by stack
2018-12-27 03:40:02	@alanz	I saw a tweet recently of a repo to build static stuff, meant to tell you. Hold on
2018-12-27 03:40:37	@alanz	https://github.com/jmackie/HandyHaskell/blob/master/cabal.travis.yml
2018-12-27 03:41:04	@alanz	@HandyHaskell: Initial @travisci config for building+deploying Haskell executables for linux, osx and windows: https://github.com/jmackie/HandyHaskell/blob/master/cabal.travis.yml
2018-12-27 03:41:05	lukelau	I think I saw you retweet that haha
2018-12-27 03:41:25	@alanz	Put it in my capture file, to look at some time ....
2018-12-27 03:41:58	@alanz	my rate of capture of interesting stuff far exceeds my processing rate
2018-12-27 03:42:34	lukelau	Better than there not being enough interesting stuff :)
2018-12-27 03:43:16	lukelau	I’ll give making a binary via cabal a shot
2018-12-27 03:43:22	lukelau	Like in that example
2018-12-27 03:43:31	@alanz	great
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2018-12-27 03:46:44	lukelau	I took a look at it earlier this week, no idea why the absolute path to cabal-helper’s libexec folder is compiled into the binary
2018-12-27 03:51:41	@alanz	I have not been following that process.
2018-12-27 03:51:57	@alanz	But I do know that we have to use the Paths file to find the right cabal helper
2018-12-27 03:52:03	@alanz	which means it is install-specific
2018-12-27 03:52:40	@alanz	*but*, it uses the nix-style local build, so the hash should be the same, so long as the right cabal-helper is also installed
2018-12-27 03:53:44	lukelau	Paths file?
2018-12-27 03:55:28	@alanz	when you build a unit, it creates a Paths_xxx.hs file
2018-12-27 03:55:55	@alanz	e.g. Paths_HaRe.hs, Paths_cabal_helper.hs
2018-12-27 03:56:13	lukelau	Ok that seems like a good place to start investigating
2018-12-27 03:56:16	@alanz	which has functions to return the libdir, datadir, bindir etc
2018-12-27 03:58:58	@alanz	we use it in cabal-helper, when compiling the helper function, and finding the wrapper for it
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2018-12-28 05:05:44	lukelau	alanz: Regards the mac homebrew formula, should we default to installing all supported versions or just the version that matches their version of GHC (with cabal new-build)?
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2018-12-28 16:38:44	--	Notice(GitHub162): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #1011: Deal constructively with non-buildable project (master...broken-config) https://git.io/fhkjy
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2018-12-28 18:15:18	@alanz	lukelau, I know nothing about the mac ecosystem, I suggest you go with whatever seems to make sense to you.
2018-12-28 18:27:01	--	Notice(GitHub39): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #1012:  hie-wrapper deals with missing System GHC (master...803-no-system-ghc) https://git.io/fhIJS
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2018-12-28 19:09:51	mtesseract	Hi
2018-12-28 19:22:41	@alanz	mtesseract, hi
2018-12-28 19:27:07	mtesseract	I am currently trying to understand what the status is for using hie for a nixified project. At the end of https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/117 it is stated that one can run hie within nix-shell. But, as I see it, this is not yet incoorporated in hie-wrapper, correct? Is hie-wrapper still considered to be the correct place for integrating support for building via nix?
2018-12-28 19:28:06	mtesseract	(NIx is used extensively for e.g. reflex-platform and I do in fact wonder how (or if?) people working with reflex use hie.)
2018-12-28 19:41:59	@alanz	mtesseract, the best place for support on hie and nix is https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix
2018-12-28 19:42:46	mtesseract	I have seen this repo. But the README suggest to me that this repo is actually about providing an installation method through nix. Am I wrong here?
2018-12-28 19:43:28	mtesseract	This is something different than providing support for developing nixified Haskell projects.
2018-12-28 19:44:17	@alanz	mtesseract, I do not use nix in daily life, so I can't help, I am afraid
2018-12-28 19:44:58	@alanz	I have heard of people having success by using direnv as the wrapper
2018-12-28 19:45:49	@alanz	otherwise ping domenkozar , he does hang out here from time to time
2018-12-28 19:47:16	mtesseract	Thanks. I will try to reach out to domenkozar. I might have the time to implement support for nix in hie-wrapper, if that is considered a good idea.
2018-12-28 19:49:15	mtesseract	For the record: in this tweet https://twitter.com/puffnfresh/status/1009056892902039552 Brian McKenna is basically plugging in his own hie-wrapper, which spawns hie within nix-shell. I am just thinking it would be nice to be able to have this working without ad-hoc hacking. Especially given the substantial use of nix within certain parts of the eco system (e.g. full-stack development via reflex).
2018-12-28 19:49:42	@alanz	the wrapper is intended to detect what kind of environment we are in, and then launch the right hie. So it may well be the right place for nix support, but I am not sure of that
2018-12-28 19:50:36	@alanz	mtesseract, if you want to turn that into a PR at the right place, it will definitely help others
2018-12-28 19:51:48	mtesseract	I will give it a try as soon as I have done more research. Thank you!
2018-12-28 19:51:57	@alanz	great, thanks
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2018-12-29 14:27:40	--	Notice(GitHub20): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #991: Add Shakefile as possible build script (master...master) https://git.io/fp7uY
2018-12-29 14:27:41	--	Notice(GitHub115): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 26 new commits to master: https://git.io/fhIDc
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2018-12-29 17:29:57	owickstrom	Is cabal new-build projects supported by HIE? Tried cloning master and installing HIE itself using new-install, but when I run it (with VSCode) on a v2 style project (with cabal.project etc) it seems to run the legacy Cabal stuff. Missing deps etc.
2018-12-29 18:01:55	@alanz	owickstrom, theoretically, but I have realised there are some shortcomings.
2018-12-29 18:02:27	@alanz	but you have to "new-build" the project first
2018-12-29 18:03:28	owickstrom	alanz OK, yeah I've done that.
2018-12-29 18:03:47	owickstrom	and I don't have Stack or any stack.yaml in the project
2018-12-29 18:04:01	@alanz	is it public somewhere?
2018-12-29 18:04:21	@alanz	when you install, you must do "cabal new-install hie"
2018-12-29 18:04:28	@alanz	with cabal 2.4.1.0
2018-12-29 18:06:55	owickstrom	Let me check the cabal version
2018-12-29 18:07:06	owickstrom	Haven't published this specific package yet, but can do that
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2018-12-29 18:07:24	owickstrom	OK, cabal is 2.4.1.0
2018-12-29 18:08:53	@alanz	And there is a current bug for multi-component support in new-build. Defaults to the lib.
2018-12-29 18:09:18	owickstrom	Ah, that might be it. I have an executable-only package.
2018-12-29 18:09:23	@alanz	I have a branch for the new cabal-helper under development, but it needs an unreleased stack feature, and has some caching issues, so is slow
2018-12-29 18:11:27	owickstrom	OK. I might try this when it's on master then.
2018-12-29 18:11:53	owickstrom	Had a little cruft left from trying out with sandbox. Gonna try cleaning and rerunning.
2018-12-29 18:12:15	@alanz	I have a todo item for this, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1006
2018-12-29 18:12:34	owickstrom	Ah yes, I think I've seen that ticket.
2018-12-29 18:12:39	owickstrom	thx
2018-12-29 18:12:44	@alanz	But I am mentally debating whether getting it to work on a throwaway branch is worth it or not
2018-12-29 18:12:59	@alanz	It all depends on when the next stack release happens. 
2018-12-29 18:13:11	@alanz	which I have not tried to find out yet
2018-12-29 18:14:05	@alanz	This being the enabling commit: https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/commit/2a8e12929df0ddfb18d7ba72efff8c791dfa1898
2018-12-29 18:17:15	@alanz	I am trying to reproduce, with GHC 8.6.3, "cabal new-install hie", and an exe only test project
2018-12-29 18:20:32	owickstrom	alanz, thanks. Gonna upload ASAP.
2018-12-29 18:20:39	owickstrom	That repro package that I'm working on.
2018-12-29 18:21:14	@alanz	ok
2018-12-29 18:29:54	owickstrom	alanz, https://bitbucket.org/owickstrom/cabal-new-build-hie-problem/src/master/
2018-12-29 18:30:05	owickstrom	make sure to `cabal new-update` first
2018-12-29 18:30:14	owickstrom	I've just published deps of this package
2018-12-29 18:30:24	@alanz	thanks
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2018-12-29 18:31:26	owickstrom	I cleaned out dist* directories. Getting a different error now:
2018-12-29 18:31:27	owickstrom	cabal-helper-wrapper: /home/owi/haskell-at-work/declarative-gtk-programming/dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.6.3/declarative-gtk-programming-0.1.0.0/setup-config: openFile: does not exist (No such file or directory)
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2018-12-29 18:33:13	owickstrom	I can report/comment this on GH if that's better.
2018-12-29 18:33:37	@alanz	no problem, just getting the deps installed
2018-12-29 18:34:18	@alanz	seems some of them are not on hackage yet, or I need to wait for the tarball to strobe
2018-12-29 18:34:33	@alanz	cabal new-update 'hackage.haskell.org,2018-12-29T09:59:03Z'
2018-12-29 18:35:17	@alanz	cabal new-update 'hackage.haskell.org,2018-12-29T09:59:03Z'
2018-12-29 18:35:19	@alanz	still not
2018-12-29 18:35:36	owickstrom	that's strange
2018-12-29 18:36:02	@alanz	There are sometimes delays. Its missing 
2018-12-29 18:36:14	owickstrom	ok
2018-12-29 18:36:16	@alanz	After searching the rest of the dependency tree exhaustively, these were the
2018-12-29 18:36:16	@alanz	goals I've had most trouble fulfilling: haskell-gi-base,
2018-12-29 18:36:16	@alanz	gi-gtk-declarative-app-simple, declarative-gtk-programming
2018-12-29 18:36:29	owickstrom	this was the latest release: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/gi-gtk-declarative-app-simple-0.4.0
2018-12-29 18:36:33	owickstrom	maybe 20 min ago
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2018-12-29 18:36:58	owickstrom	can try minimizing the project without those deps
2018-12-29 18:37:31	@alanz	ok, otherwise I can carry on with my simplest possible exe-only case, see if that exhibits the problem
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2018-12-29 18:37:45	owickstrom	yeah
2018-12-29 18:37:56	owickstrom	Maybe just strip out those deps and keep 'vector'
2018-12-29 18:38:03	owickstrom	something that's not base
2018-12-29 18:40:41	@alanz	I have a problem with a one-file Main.hs exe only, looking into it
2018-12-29 18:40:53	@alanz	will come back to yours a bit later
2018-12-29 18:42:15	@alanz	btw, in vscode you can change the setting for the Haskell Language Server / Trace : Server to verbose
2018-12-29 18:42:35	owickstrom	Ah nice! I had a custom script for adding a debug flag before
2018-12-29 18:42:58	@alanz	which will give you stuff in /tmp/hie.log, and in the output window of vscode, if you select "hakell HIE" in that selector thing on the right
2018-12-29 18:43:21	owickstrom	Thanks for looking at this! Wanted to use HIE again for my next screencast, but I've stopped using stack on my home laptops so it's a bit of a limbo right now.
2018-12-29 18:43:41	@alanz	well, I figure it is a force-multiplier to help you, gets the word out :)
2018-12-29 18:43:47	owickstrom	Would rather not jump over to Emacs (which I use at work) and confuse viewers.
2018-12-29 18:43:57	owickstrom	:)
2018-12-29 18:44:07	@alanz	fair enough. Which hie plugin do you use for emacs?
2018-12-29 18:44:18	owickstrom	VSCode + HIE is a very neat demo and screencast setup.
2018-12-29 18:44:35	@alanz	yes, I have used it in talks too
2018-12-29 18:44:44	owickstrom	Actually I don't use HIE there, only the cabal compilation mode with new-build, and the flycheck plugin that runs GHC on individual files.
2018-12-29 18:45:13	@alanz	ok. Because new-build support is not robust yet
2018-12-29 18:45:16	owickstrom	it's very fast and reliable, but obv no type queries etc. With typed holes I get by.
2018-12-29 18:45:45	owickstrom	A little wonky here and there, yeah, but I haven't run in too much trouble.
2018-12-29 18:45:45	@alanz	I must say, I have gotten used to having hie running, and find it frustrating not to have hover types, proper goto etc when not using it
2018-12-29 18:45:59	owickstrom	Yeah I can relate to that :)
2018-12-29 18:46:28	@alanz	But my current goal is to get hie to "just work" in as many cases as possible, or to at least tell people what the problem is
2018-12-29 18:46:53	owickstrom	had some trouble with my Ubuntu installation and RAM, so when GHCi allocated too much memory the whole OS froze. Then I needed to jump back to less fancy tools. :(
2018-12-29 18:47:32	@alanz	And this is what I see in my vscode output pane
2018-12-29 18:47:33	@alanz	cabal-helper-wrapper: /home/alanz/tmp/hie-exe-only-test/dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.6.3/hie-exe-only-test-0.1.0.0/setup-config: openFile: does not exist (No such file or directory)
2018-12-29 18:47:35	owickstrom	HIE and the "reload GHCi on file save" sort of tools all became too heavy in the end. I'm hoping it will work in the future, especially HIE.
2018-12-29 18:47:36	@alanz	as suspected
2018-12-29 18:47:43	owickstrom	yeah, same error
2018-12-29 18:48:02	owickstrom	gotta head out for a while, back in ~30 min
2018-12-29 18:49:04	@alanz	and the problem is, it should be looking in the subdirectory in that dist-newstyle starting with /x/
2018-12-29 18:49:13	@alanz	no problem, this is a known issue
2018-12-29 18:49:22	@alanz	will spend some time on it
2018-12-29 19:09:08	wz1000	I've got a hack for this: create a symlink from the missing file cabal/ghc-mod complains about to the correct file in x/
2018-12-29 19:14:41	@alanz	wz1000, but that is a hack. It should just work.
2018-12-29 19:15:13	@alanz	I am contemplating just brute-force searching in all the directories for that file though.
2018-12-29 19:15:34	@alanz	Except, the info is in plan.json, need to understand why it is not being used, in the current version
2018-12-29 19:24:33	owickstrom	can try the hack to verify if that's the problem?
2018-12-29 19:26:45	@alanz	you are welcome to, I know it is the problem
2018-12-29 19:26:54	@alanz	it can let you carry on working, if you like
2018-12-29 19:28:51	owickstrom	yeah, maybe good enough for recording the screencast :)
2018-12-29 19:31:10	@alanz	exactly
2018-12-29 19:31:33	@alanz	I just mailed manny at stack to see when there is a new release planned too
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2018-12-30 05:25:06	lukelau	alanz: I see that cabal-helper upstream removed cabal-helper-wrapper, does hie still need it?
2018-12-30 06:23:32	lukelau	Hitting a bit of a wall since neither cabal new-build nor stack seem to support the --prefix option
2018-12-30 06:23:34	lukelau	https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/issues/848
2018-12-30 06:24:13	lukelau	Which is needed for those path modules to point to the right location for cabal-helper-wrapper and stuff in the homebrew formula
2018-12-30 06:24:49	lukelau	It also seems to affect hlint which needs to bundle a default hlint.yaml into share I think
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2018-12-30 15:33:06	@alanz	lukelau, eventually the wrapper will go away. But we need at least stack-1.9.4 before that can happen
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2018-12-30 18:13:48	jinbeomhong	Can i ask a question for issue in this room?
2018-12-30 18:15:11	wz1000	yes
2018-12-30 18:22:46	jinbeomhong	Thanks, i am using vscode-hie-server extension which is an extension enabling autocompletion backed by haskell-ide-engine. Sometimes this extension get stuck and doesn't work. So i did look into vscode log and find `hie-8.6.3: Prelude.head: empty list`. So i want to dig into the cause of a problem. But, i am newbie of haskell(So i want use this extension for now...). Is there a way debug to know why that line appears
2018-12-30 18:24:02	@alanz	jinbeomhong, I think that got fixed yesterday, when last did you update your hie installation?
2018-12-30 18:24:13	@alanz	and it comes about because you do not have a system ghc installed
2018-12-30 18:26:15	jinbeomhong	Oh, this is another issue, and i clone this repository execute `make build-all` command again today.
2018-12-30 18:26:24	jinbeomhong	commit 337fd9bf6254b50820bfe73046353ae2c4f86b34 (HEAD -> master, origin/master, origin/HEAD)
2018-12-30 18:28:46	@alanz	ok, can you make an issue, with that piece of log file
2018-12-30 18:30:52	jinbeomhong	I already made this issue at https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/issues/129 and explained this situation, although information for this issue is not sufficient... 
2018-12-30 18:31:28	@alanz	ok, I have not got to it yet. I also have a life.
2018-12-30 18:32:51	owickstrom	alanz, I tried the hack we talked about yesterday to get past the incorrect path in the dist-newstyle directory for executables. Unfortunately there's another issue being reported, about cabal-helper-wrapper trying to install Cabal 2.5.0.0 which apparently doesn't exist. Something you've seen before?
2018-12-30 18:33:17	owickstrom	It tries to automatically install it when the server is starting up, it seems.
2018-12-30 18:33:25	@alanz	nope, that sounds really weird
2018-12-30 18:33:58	owickstrom	https://pastebin.com/00LirBJg
2018-12-30 18:35:01	jinbeomhong	Thanks, it is helpful that anyone let me know the way i dig into this error cause. Are there keywords or tools for debugging? I assume this error caused by haskell-ide-engine internally.
2018-12-30 18:35:09	owickstrom	Maybe it's related to me having "cabal-version: 2.4" in my cabal file.
2018-12-30 18:35:41	@alanz	owickstrom, 2.5 is the dev version
2018-12-30 18:35:59	@alanz	so there is some weird constraint in your project, I think
2018-12-30 18:36:16	owickstrom	I'm trying to mess around with the Cabal file a bit
2018-12-30 18:37:45	@alanz	ok, but back it off a bit, it should not ask for 2.5
2018-12-30 18:38:37	owickstrom	right, ok
2018-12-30 18:52:35	owickstrom	alanz, same behavior when I downgraded to requiring Cabal 2.2 in the cabal file
2018-12-30 18:52:57	owickstrom	you did not see this with your exe-only reproduction project?
2018-12-30 18:53:05	@alanz	well, something on your setup is non-standard, requiring a newer cabal
2018-12-30 18:53:07	owickstrom	can you send that Cabal file, perhaps?
2018-12-30 18:53:21	@alanz	have you been mucking about building cabal master perhaps?
2018-12-30 18:53:44	owickstrom	Oh, now I found it
2018-12-30 18:53:56	owickstrom	it's from the hvr PPA installation
2018-12-30 18:54:02	owickstrom	I should reinstall cabal-install
2018-12-30 18:54:06	@alanz	I can, but did not get very far with things
2018-12-30 18:54:38	owickstrom	sorry to bother you, I'm installing cabal 2.4.1.0 now
2018-12-30 18:55:23	@alanz	np
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2018-12-30 19:58:26	owickstrom	alanz, got everything working now for my screencast :)
2018-12-30 19:58:52	@alanz	great. Good luck
2018-12-30 20:02:17	owickstrom	Thanks for your help!
2018-12-30 20:22:37	owickstrom	I think I got stuck now on the same issue as jinbeomhong, the Prelude.head thing.
2018-12-30 21:52:26	jinbeomhong	I think this situation is caused by client sending document, which has syntax error, to server. When i types any codes quickly making client doesn't send the document which has syntax error, this situation doesn't occurs.
2018-12-30 21:56:10	jinbeomhong	For example, when the document(e.g. /private/var/folders/y5/4zz305fn1qjcf24fk0p9dz3h0000gn/T/ghc-mod12064/test212063-40.hs) sent to server has corrent syntax,  `Prelude.head: empty list` doesn't occur.
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2018-12-31 12:03:01	lukelau	alanz: What are we waiting for in stack 1.9.4?
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2018-12-31 13:39:39	@alanz	lukelau, the "stack ide package --cabal-files" feature
2018-12-31 13:39:55	@alanz	but I have a workaraound for it, in my current cabal-helper branch
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2018-12-31 16:36:01	--	Notice(GitHub44): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #1018: Remove unprotected 'head` in GhcMod codeactions (master...vscode-129-hanging-dispatcher) https://git.io/fhtek
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2018-12-31 18:31:50	--	Notice(GitHub61): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fhtJY
2018-12-31 18:31:50	--	Notice(GitHub61): haskell-ide-engine/master 302caa0 Alan Zimmerman: Remove unprotected 'head` in GhcMod codeactions...
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2018-12-31 18:32:50	jinbeomhong	Thanks. i am trying to apply it.
2018-12-31 18:37:59	@alanz	jinbeomhong, thanks for the report, it was a stupid coding error on our part
2018-12-31 19:21:59	--	Notice(GitHub53): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz opened pull request #1019: Bump resolvers (master...bump-resolvers-2018-12-31) https://git.io/fhtUN
2018-12-31 19:56:23	jinbeomhong	It works very well. Thanks again, alanz!!!
2018-12-31 19:57:00	@alanz	great. That was a nasty bug, needed to be fixed. So thanks again for reporting it.
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2019-01-01 17:42:29	mtesseract	Hi. I am trying to use VSCode & HIE on a reflex skeleton project. It is a cabal v2-style project with three packages: backend, frontend, common. Backend and frontend depend on common. I can open common, HIE seems to work. When I open backend or frontend, the following error is displayed:
2019-01-01 17:42:33	mtesseract	Got error while processing diagnostics: readCreateProcess: cabal "configure" "--with-ghc=ghc" "--flags" "" (exit 1): failed
2019-01-01 17:44:04	mtesseract	This is Version 0.4.0.1 x86_64 ghc-8.4.4. I assume the problem here is that it tries to use the v1-style cabal commands instead of the new-commands. But it is my understanding that HIE v0.4.0.1 includes initial support for the new-* commands? What am I doing wrong here?
2019-01-01 17:45:04	mtesseract	Also, general question for approaching HIE issues and HIE debugging: given an error like the above one, is there any way to retrieve any details for the error, e.g. stderr output of the cabal command, which failed?
2019-01-01 17:45:51	@alanz	mtesseract, if you select the output pane in vscode, and select the dropdown for hie in the top right of it, you will see the stderr
2019-01-01 17:46:14	@alanz	and set the vscode haskell-lsp-plugin tracing to verbose
2019-01-01 17:46:39	mtesseract	Ah, thanks. As expected: it fails due to the not-found dependencies: common and reflex-dom.
2019-01-01 17:47:02	@alanz	the new-build support is very provisional at the moment
2019-01-01 17:47:24	@alanz	There should be proper support coming soon, based on the work dxld is doing on cabal-helper
2019-01-01 17:48:08	mtesseract	So, this is currently expected behaviour? I was under the assumption that it would work for a trivial skeleton project.
2019-01-01 17:48:35	mtesseract	I cannot observe any attempt of HIE to try new-build commands.
2019-01-01 18:41:31	mtesseract	If there are entry-level tickets in this regard, I would be happy to give it a try.
2019-01-01 18:42:56	mtesseract	What I am essentially trying to get working is HIE support on a reflex project to assist in the development of reflex based applications. This seems to touch the nix aspect plus the cabal new-build support.
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2019-01-01 23:00:26	--	Notice(GitHub63): haskell-ide-engine/master 518affd Luke Lau: Document reactorPidCache
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2019-01-01 23:02:54	--	Notice(GitHub57): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #1022: Preparing for version 0.5.0.0 (master...prepare-0.5.0.0) https://git.io/fhtrO
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2019-01-01 23:04:10	@alanz	lukelau, can you do the release docs thing?
2019-01-01 23:04:15	@alanz	I just tagged it
2019-01-01 23:06:14	@alanz	domenkozar, heads up for hie-nix
2019-01-02 00:02:06	domenkozar	thanks!
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2019-01-02 01:23:47	lukelau	alanz: Yup!
2019-01-02 01:24:00	lukelau	Will still probably have to hold out on the macOS binaries though
2019-01-02 01:24:37	lukelau	At the moment trying to see if I can patch cabal to use --prefix with new-build
2019-01-02 01:24:41	@alanz	no problem
2019-01-02 01:24:51	lukelau	Doing some serious yak-shaving
2019-01-02 01:25:08	@alanz	its good to deep dive into junk sometimes
2019-01-02 01:25:22	@alanz	especially this infrastructure stuff, its a pain, but has to be done
2019-01-02 01:29:29	lukelau	By release docs thing do you mean the release on GitHub?
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2019-01-02 01:50:40	@alanz	lukelau, yes, and I see you got it. Thanks.
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2019-01-02 14:36:19	mtesseract	http://ircbrowse.net/browse/haskell-ide-engine <- gives me a HTTP 403.
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2019-01-02 20:14:20	--	Topic set by alanz (alanz@gateway/shell/firrre/x-hlvsyshveclrenlt) on Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:40:57
2019-01-02 20:14:20	--	Channel #haskell-ide-engine: 44 nicks (2 ops, 0 voices, 42 normals)
2019-01-02 20:15:00	--	Channel created on Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:10:19
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2019-01-02 21:42:45	domenkozar	alanz: btw, does hie really need ghc executable in $PATH?
2019-01-02 21:43:00	domenkozar	https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix/pull/39
2019-01-02 21:59:41	@alanz	domenkozar, at the moment, yes. It should go away when we move to the new cabal-helper
2019-01-02 22:00:03	@alanz	but hie/hie-wrapper are now more tolerant of it being missing
2019-01-02 22:00:28	@alanz	it is used to build the cabal-helper wrapper thing only
2019-01-02 22:03:13	domenkozar	ah ok, thanks :)
2019-01-02 22:03:26	domenkozar	how does wrapper find the right ghc?
2019-01-02 22:03:45	domenkozar	ghc-8.4.4?
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2019-01-02 23:17:17	@alanz	domenkozar, it does not matter, it just has to build the wrapper exe, to be able to run it
2019-01-02 23:17:28	@alanz	(sorry for the delay, was afk)
2019-01-02 23:17:56	domenkozar	ah and the wrapper finds it then
2019-01-02 23:18:11	domenkozar	wrapped exe*
2019-01-02 23:18:18	@alanz	yes
2019-01-02 23:18:47	@alanz	well, actuall the wrapper is installed and run, it builds the thing in ~/.cache/cabal-helper
2019-01-02 23:19:14	@alanz	so the wrapper does the compiling, but there are no constraints on what ghc it uses to do that
2019-01-02 23:19:52	@alanz	Now that 0.5.0.0 is out, I want to spend some time getting the new cabal-helper working properly, which does not need the wrapper and additional exe
2019-01-02 23:19:58	@alanz	and will simplify things a lot
2019-01-02 23:20:27	@alanz	I have a proof of concept integration of dxld's branch, but it needs polishing, and the caching needs work
2019-01-02 23:56:17	asdfjkljkl	hello, is this the right place to ask questions about hie installation?
2019-01-03 00:00:27	lukelau	mtesseract: I think ircbrowse is dead 
2019-01-03 00:00:39	lukelau	asdfjkljkl: Yes
2019-01-03 00:01:40	lukelau	alanz: I’m looking forward for the new cabal-helper, will hopefully unblock the homebrew formula + make installation easier in general
2019-01-03 00:01:54	asdfjkljkl	lukelau: my hie version: Version 0.5.0.0, Git revision ce022201ee54fc0cf509da7942e228dd0f1b65d9 (2325 commits) x86_64 ghc-8.4.4
2019-01-03 00:02:29	lukelau	asdfjkljkl: what errors are you seeing?
2019-01-03 00:02:32	asdfjkljkl	when I run hie-wrapper in a project dir, it seems to work but trying to integrate it into vscode seems to not work
2019-01-03 00:02:50	asdfjkljkl	I edited the config like it says in the hie github
2019-01-03 00:03:05	asdfjkljkl	https://pastebin.com/raw/nA8W1d8u
2019-01-03 00:03:36	asdfjkljkl	this is one of the two error msgs that I get, the other is that project ghc and hie ghc versions mismatch
2019-01-03 00:03:41	lukelau	it looks like you’re using quite an old version of ghc
2019-01-03 00:03:44	lukelau	7.10.3
2019-01-03 00:04:12	lukelau	HIE currently supports GHC 8.2.x and upwards
2019-01-03 00:04:22	lukelau	Do you need to use GHC 7.10.3 for your project?
2019-01-03 00:05:34	asdfjkljkl	yeah I think I installed it with apt. How do I set the ghc version for a cabal project? (never had to do it before)
2019-01-03 00:05:59	lukelau	Installing it with apt is probably outdated
2019-01-03 00:06:18	lukelau	Does your OS have an unstable version of GHC?
2019-01-03 00:06:41	lukelau	Otherwise you can also just download and install the binaries direct: https://www.haskell.org/ghc/download_ghc_8_6_3.html
2019-01-03 00:07:03	asdfjkljkl	normally I use stack projects, but I wanted to try out doing this as a cabal project
2019-01-03 00:07:16	lukelau	Yeah cabal uses the version of GHC installed globally
2019-01-03 00:07:18	asdfjkljkl	I'm on Ubuntu 16.04, let me check
2019-01-03 00:09:39	asdfjkljkl	would changing the project to a stack project be easier? Because then I can just specify the ghc version in the stack.yaml, right?
2019-01-03 00:10:30	lukelau	Probably yes
2019-01-03 00:10:42	asdfjkljkl	Then I will try this
2019-01-03 00:11:21	lukelau	You might need to delete the dist/dist-newstyle folders and do a stack build for hie to pick up the stack project
2019-01-03 00:14:02	asdfjkljkl	ok doing it right now
2019-01-03 00:18:42	asdfjkljkl	still getting that error: https://pastebin.com/raw/jhhciRKP
2019-01-03 00:19:44	asdfjkljkl	does ghc-mod have to installed seperately? Is it, because it's missing?
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2019-01-03 00:21:07	lukelau	Looks like it still trying to use cabal
2019-01-03 00:21:14	lukelau	Try deleting the dist-newstyle folder
2019-01-03 00:21:21	lukelau	And making sure .stack-work exists
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2019-01-03 00:27:16	asdfjkljkl	Seems to work, it looks like I still have to build the hoogle documentation stuff
2019-01-03 00:27:43	asdfjkljkl	that would be to run `make build-doc-8.4.4`, right?
2019-01-03 00:29:24	asdfjkljkl	ah, when running `Go To Definition` in vscode I got this error: `cannot satisfy -package-id base-4.11.1.0`
2019-01-03 00:30:02	lukelau	asdfjkljkl: yeah for whatever version of ghc you’re using
2019-01-03 00:30:32	lukelau	asdfjkljkl: that error comes up if you’re using mismatched hie/ghc versions
2019-01-03 00:30:44	lukelau	did you get a warning in vscode?
2019-01-03 00:32:38	asdfjkljkl	when I open vscode I get this: https://pastebin.com/raw/aHHT0FUt. When I click on `go to definition` it says `no def found for ...`
2019-01-03 00:33:49	lukelau	ah
2019-01-03 00:34:03	asdfjkljkl	there is a file `cabal.project.local` in my repo, should that be there?
2019-01-03 00:34:17	lukelau	I see that in https://pastebin.com/raw/jhhciRKP you’re using stack resolver lts-13.0 right?
2019-01-03 00:34:33	lukelau	try chaning that to lts-12.26
2019-01-03 00:34:38	asdfjkljkl	lts-13.1 as per `stack.yaml`
2019-01-03 00:34:41	asdfjkljkl	ok
2019-01-03 00:34:43	lukelau	the cabal.project.local file should be ok
2019-01-03 00:35:11	lukelau	lts-13.1 is tied to ghc-8.6.1, lts-12.26 is tied to ghc-8.4.4
2019-01-03 00:43:02	asdfjkljkl	yep, now it works :)
2019-01-03 00:43:15	asdfjkljkl	lukelau: thanks for the patience :)
2019-01-03 01:09:23	lukelau	asdfjkljkl: not at all! We could probably improve the diagnostics to detect mismatched stack resolvers as well. I’ll create a GitHub issue for that
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2019-01-04 03:21:00	@alanz	If anyone is feeling brave, this uses dxld
2019-01-04 03:21:10	@alanz	's bleeding edge cabal-helper: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/bleeding-edge-c-h
2019-01-04 03:21:35	@alanz	I have not tried running it yet, but it passes tests for 8.6.3
2019-01-04 03:21:38	 *	alanz afk
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2019-01-04 10:04:57	lukelau	alanz: awesome!
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2019-01-05 06:58:05	--	Notice(GitHub118): [haskell-ide-engine] bubba opened pull request #1024: Use cabal to detect ghc version if cabal.project exists (master...cabal-ghc-version) https://git.io/fh3Y1
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2019-01-05 17:15:24	--	Notice(GitHub98): [haskell-ide-engine] kubum opened pull request #1025: Add a note in README about dyld path for macOS builds, fixes #1005 (master...add-macos-dyld-readme) https://git.io/fh3Rj
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2019-01-05 18:52:31	--	Notice(GitHub22): haskell-ide-engine/master 67b54d2 Andrey Fadeyev: Add a note in README about dyld path for macOS builds, fixes #1005
2019-01-05 18:52:31	--	Notice(GitHub22): haskell-ide-engine/master 5cab311 Alan Zimmerman: Merge pull request #1025 from kubum/add-macos-dyld-readme...
2019-01-05 18:52:32	--	Notice(GitHub194): [haskell-ide-engine] alanz closed pull request #1025: Add a note in README about dyld path for macOS builds, fixes #1005 (master...add-macos-dyld-readme) https://git.io/fh3Rj
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2019-01-07 03:30:15	aplainzetakind	Can I install hie using cabal only?
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2019-01-07 06:14:36	RomuloGarofalo	how can I contribute? I already clone the repository and build, but idk how to test it
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2019-01-07 06:52:10	--	Notice(GitHub41): [haskell-ide-engine] Rhywun opened pull request #1027: Update README.md - workaround for missing gmp library (master...Rhywun-patch-1) https://git.io/fhsPH
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2019-01-07 10:50:02	--	Notice(GitHub101): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 closed pull request #1027: Update README.md - workaround for missing gmp library (master...Rhywun-patch-1) https://git.io/fhsPH
2019-01-07 10:50:04	--	Notice(GitHub84): [haskell-ide-engine] wz1000 pushed 2 new commits to master: https://git.io/fhsST
2019-01-07 10:50:04	--	Notice(GitHub84): haskell-ide-engine/master f457668 Rhywun: Update README.md...
2019-01-07 10:50:04	--	Notice(GitHub84): haskell-ide-engine/master 9ee04b2 wz1000: Merge pull request #1027 from Rhywun/Rhywun-patch-1...
2019-01-07 12:38:04	lukelau	aplainzetakind: Yes if you run cabal new-install
2019-01-07 12:53:04	--	Notice(GitHub70): [haskell-ide-engine] bubba closed pull request #1024: Use cabal to detect ghc version if cabal.project exists (master...cabal-ghc-version) https://git.io/fh3Y1
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2019-01-08 03:04:44	lukelau	alanz: I just created a PR for the haskell-hie-ci dockerfile
2019-01-08 03:04:53	lukelau	To upgrade stack
2019-01-08 03:05:28	lukelau	It looks like the image that its based on is using stack 1.9.1
2019-01-08 03:05:45	lukelau	And I believe https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/885 was blocked on needing stack 1.9.3
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2019-01-08 12:40:09	lukelau	alanz: does the dockerfile need to be reuploaded to the container registry?
2019-01-08 12:40:46	@alanz	I think it rebuilds automatically
2019-01-08 12:40:59	@alanz	look at hub.docker.com
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2019-01-08 12:41:17	@alanz	And I missed your request by minutes last night, sorry
2019-01-08 12:41:36	lukelau	alanz: 👍
2019-01-08 12:42:02	lukelau	Not at all, there’s no rush for these PRs
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2019-01-08 12:43:26	@alanz	I just triggered a build on the hub
2019-01-08 12:44:55	lukelau	alanz: I’m not sure why the upstream image isn’t on the latest stack, since it looks like it just runs the stack installer shell script
2019-01-08 12:45:08	lukelau	I presume Docker cached it or something?
2019-01-08 12:45:28	@alanz	I dont understand that question
2019-01-08 12:46:11	lukelau	The stack-build-icu image that Haskell-hie-ci is based on comes with stack 1.9.1
2019-01-08 12:46:52	lukelau	And it was last built in November after 1.9.3 was released
2019-01-08 12:47:04	@alanz	ok, no idea
2019-01-08 12:47:34	@alanz	by the way, the haskellworks guys have published circle CI ORBS for haskell CI, whatever that means
2019-01-08 12:48:30	lukelau	I think an orb is like a ready-made CI config?
2019-01-08 12:48:45	@alanz	I presume so, have not looked into details yet
2019-01-08 12:49:02	lukelau	I saw that tweet though, if it can generate Linux binaries that would be great
2019-01-08 12:49:03	@alanz	bug given you are reworking stuff, it may be worth looking into
2019-01-08 12:49:10	@alanz	but
2019-01-08 12:49:59	@alanz	And I lost track of the stuff domenkozar is doing with hercules-ci, I think he said it could generate binaries too
2019-01-08 12:50:10	@alanz	but was still at too early a stage
2019-01-08 12:51:47	lukelau	Ok
2019-01-08 12:52:39	lukelau	By the way on the Mac binaries side, I have the  prefix flag now working with cabal new build at least with the paths modules
2019-01-08 12:53:12	lukelau	I need to now figure out how to get cabal to actually install it into those paths on new-install now
2019-01-08 12:53:35	lukelau	But I have a feeling that it will require a good bit of planning on how that would all work out
2019-01-08 12:54:29	lukelau	And ultimately the homebrew script would have to apply this patch to a freshly downloaded cabal in order to take advantage of it before cabal 3.0 or whatever the next release is
2019-01-08 12:54:51	lukelau	Which might all be redundant when the new c-h is merged in that doesn’t require the wrapper
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2019-01-08 13:07:23	@alanz	my understanding is that new-install should put identical stuff in identical locations
2019-01-08 13:07:37	@alanz	modulo $HOME
2019-01-08 13:08:31	@alanz	maybe set the cabal home to some fixed location, instead of user home
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2019-01-09 08:43:02	maerwald	where does HIE determine whether the current project is a stack or cabal project
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2019-01-09 18:32:38	jose_zap	trying to make binaries for windows in travis looks like a dead end. I've tried many things during several days in order to the things to compile under the time limit with no luck
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2019-01-10 00:33:21	lukelau	maerwald: inside GhcMod
2019-01-10 00:33:26	lukelau	I believe in Cradle.hs
2019-01-10 00:33:29	lukelau	Or GhcMod.Cradle
2019-01-10 00:34:09	lukelau	I believe it goes stack -> cabal new-build -> cabal -> plain ghc
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2019-01-10 00:53:25	@alanz	lukelau, I just realised I must merge your PR onto my ghc-mod. Been swamped with other stuff recently
2019-01-10 00:53:43	lukelau	this one? https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/pull/16
2019-01-10 00:54:02	@alanz	yes
2019-01-10 00:54:18	@alanz	I presume you are just running against your branch so long.
2019-01-10 00:54:36	lukelau	Its based off of your cabal-new-merged branch
2019-01-10 00:54:40	@alanz	And we should push the button on the UTF-8 file thing, which has me a bit nervous for unintended things
2019-01-10 00:55:04	lukelau	Yeah the earlier we get that one merged the more time we have to spot any funny stuff
2019-01-10 00:55:11	@alanz	that sounds right. The network view on github was broken earlier today. I will take a look though
2019-01-10 00:55:12	@alanz	Agree
2019-01-10 00:55:19	@alanz	Ok, will get onto it
2019-01-10 00:55:25	lukelau	is the cabal-new-merged branch the one with the new cabal-helper?
2019-01-10 00:57:18	lukelau	my changes dont really touch the cabal-helper stuff though dont worry, its all contained within the cradle module
2019-01-10 00:57:23	lukelau	shouldnt be too bad to merge
2019-01-10 00:59:18	@alanz	ok
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2019-01-10 01:00:05	@alanz	lukelau, are you ok with us going to Shake as the only build option?
2019-01-10 01:00:38	lukelau	I haven’t had a chance to try it out myself but yes
2019-01-10 01:01:01	lukelau	The current makefile is pretty complex
2019-01-10 01:01:19	@alanz	ok, just pulled my haskell master, building via Shake.
2019-01-10 01:01:34	@alanz	And then I guess I can push the button on removing the other two.
2019-01-10 01:07:11	lukelau	I still need to add some test for the shakefile
2019-01-10 01:07:18	lukelau	Running it now by the way
2019-01-10 01:11:51	@alanz	ok
2019-01-10 01:12:13	@alanz	And I think having a build that uses it would be a good thing, in CI
2019-01-10 01:12:58	lukelau	I’m wondering if I can reuuse a container from a job, so the shakefile can reuse the .stack-work
2019-01-10 01:15:14	@alanz	Or let it run by itself, will take a long time the first build, but should be fine after
2019-01-10 01:16:12	@alanz	Maybe have a sequence of steps, for each GHC, saving cache in between to warm things up, then a "whole thing" at the end, that should be quick, but tests the logic of installing all of it
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2019-01-10 01:51:50	lukelau	alanz: do we need versions of hie for 8.6.2/8.6.1?
2019-01-10 01:52:33	lukelau	Do the minor version changes prevent ghcmod from working?
2019-01-10 01:52:44	@alanz	well, if you recall I opened an issue recently about what we really need
2019-01-10 01:53:05	@alanz	And I actually think we ideally need an on-demand installer
2019-01-10 01:53:17	@alanz	I wonder if we could ge hie-wrapper to do that
2019-01-10 01:53:48	@alanz	"we have detected you need hie-8.4.3, but it is not on your path. Please install by doing ShakeFile hie-8.4.3"
2019-01-10 01:54:13	@alanz	And we should change the name of that to make.hs, or build.hs
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2019-01-10 01:54:25	lukelau	Does cabal-helper-wrapper not do something like that? 
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2019-01-10 01:54:34	lukelau	Like compile the right version of cabal on the fly
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2019-01-10 01:59:07	@alanz	yes, but we need user intervention, I think. So rather send a message
2019-01-10 01:59:25	@alanz	for example, it might *be* built, but not on the path, or something silly
2019-01-10 01:59:50	lukelau	Makes sense
2019-01-10 01:59:57	lukelau	Especially since hie takes so long to build
2019-01-10 02:00:17	lukelau	But I think that could also be remedied by narrowing the scope of what actually needs to be rebuilt for each ghc version
2019-01-10 02:00:26	@alanz	exactly, and most people use only a couple of ghc versions at most
2019-01-10 02:00:34	@alanz	and to force them to build the whole lot is insance
2019-01-10 02:00:39	@alanz	insane
2019-01-10 02:01:05	lukelau	And the new ghc release cycle just means the problem will get worse and worse
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2019-01-10 02:01:25	lukelau	We could move as much as possible into hie-wrapper and then hie-wrapper -> hie, and hie -> hie-core or something
2019-01-10 02:01:48	lukelau	Or move hie-wrapper into hie, move out ghcmod stuff into hie-core
2019-01-10 02:02:06	lukelau	And then build one hie executable, and several hie-core versions
2019-01-10 02:02:27	lukelau	hie prompting the user which versions they want, building them into some libexecdir
2019-01-10 02:05:15	@alanz	well, hie-wrapper and hie exist, so calling them other things is just window dressing
2019-01-10 02:05:48	@alanz	And they do need to be built with the right versions, so replacing one exe with another, as we do now, is the requirement
2019-01-10 02:07:20	lukelau	What I’m asking though is what parts of hie *need* to be built with the right versions
2019-01-10 02:07:46	lukelau	e.g. surely it doesn’t matter what version of ghc LSPStdio.hs is built with
2019-01-10 02:09:13	@alanz	well, if any part needs to be built, then the whole thing does. We are not going to attempt cross-version linking
2019-01-10 02:09:40	@alanz	and the idea is to swap out one process for another. Running a sub-process is just wasteful
2019-01-10 02:10:08	@alanz	It is what the fpco ide backend did, and they had huge performance problems serialising things
2019-01-10 02:11:13	lukelau	I guess that makes sense
2019-01-10 02:11:22	@alanz	That said, I have been wondering about putting a language-agnostic layer in place, that includes lspstdio, and the only language-specific bit would be in the IdeGhc dispatcher, or equivalent
2019-01-10 02:11:51	@alanz	but I see that more as a source code re-use thing, than doing dynamic linking
2019-01-10 02:12:31	@alanz	And in normal usage, a user will not change their ghc version much, maybe twice a year
2019-01-10 02:12:39	@alanz	And only use one or maybe two at a time
2019-01-10 02:13:00	lukelau	I had more along the lines of launching a subprocess + sending some json back and forth, but I can imagine the overhead would be pretty big given the amount of communication that happens between the plugins with hie
2019-01-10 02:13:07	@alanz	so the build overhead is then not that big, and we can just do it.
2019-01-10 02:13:13	@alanz	yes.
2019-01-10 02:13:52	@alanz	I reckon what could make sense it to allow the user to put a config file down, which the shakefile can use to decide what to build, whenever an update happens
2019-01-10 02:14:40	@alanz	And it can be as simple as a list of targets, like hie-8.6.3, hie-8.4.4
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2019-01-10 02:23:28	@alanz	lukelau, one thing we can do to reduce build time is to toss ekg
2019-01-10 02:23:38	@alanz	or make it subject to a flag, default off
2019-01-10 02:23:57	lukelau	Yes that would be a nice optimisation
2019-01-10 02:24:09	lukelau	It’s also got some data-files that makes the binary installation tricky
2019-01-10 02:24:25	@alanz	just looked at my build log, seeing wai and friends building
2019-01-10 02:25:00	@alanz	I never use it, would be happy to see it go. We have no special counters, so if anyone cares they can add it back easily enough
2019-01-10 02:25:39	@alanz	maybe we should make an issue as a poll, and see if anyone complains?
2019-01-10 02:26:14	lukelau	Would it be useful for the memory leak issues?
2019-01-10 02:26:37	lukelau	I’ve never used it before, so not exactly sure waht it does
2019-01-10 02:27:07	lukelau	I’d probably just remove it and then see if anyone complains
2019-01-10 02:27:28	@alanz	ok, go for it if you want, else I will do it, when I remember
2019-01-10 02:28:16	@alanz	just doing my second build, with the utf8 patch in place. I like to do it from scratch when a submodule changes, stack does not always manage recompilation properly in that case, I find
2019-01-10 02:28:53	lukelau	Yeah I’ve been bitten by that before
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2019-01-10 15:07:40	mpickering	alanz: Have you got any secret GSoC ideas?
2019-01-10 15:08:02	mpickering	What about something to do with LSIF?
2019-01-10 15:11:23	@alanz	mpickering, bringing in .hie and LSIF are both good ideas
2019-01-10 15:11:36	@alanz	And I guess we should put them in as possibles
2019-01-10 15:11:47	mpickering	I am talking with some people about what to do with haskell-indexer
2019-01-10 15:12:08	@alanz	with a view to being dual-purpose for this stuff?
2019-01-10 15:12:40	@alanz	I would be happy for hie to interact with an external (local to the machine, probably) server of information
2019-01-10 15:13:02	@alanz	because it is impractical to expect it to all be in memory at once, so some kind of db must be used
2019-01-10 15:13:21	mpickering	my general view is that development on kythe is too slow 
2019-01-10 15:13:33	mpickering	and that LSIF will gain much more momentum
2019-01-10 15:14:05	@alanz	yes,especially when it starts getting properly used/integrated into vscode
2019-01-10 15:14:32	@alanz	and a haskell framework for it, complementing haskell-lsp could be useful
2019-01-10 15:15:42	@alanz	also, having some kind of library, or db, or server, could help things like leksah, intero, etc
2019-01-10 15:15:58	@alanz	which can lead to more contribution/collaboration
2019-01-10 15:26:18	mpickering	I'll add you to the cc Alan and wz1000 
2019-01-10 15:26:26	@alanz	thanks
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2019-01-11 02:59:54	mpickering	Rereading the issue about LSIF it's confused as everyone commenting doesn't seem to get it
2019-01-11 03:00:19	mpickering	a lot of the comments are asking what the point is and miss the fact that if you have a cache then you can index all dependencies of your project rather than just the current project
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2019-01-11 17:20:21	typetetris	Hi there! Is there a way to extract an expression as a top level function via vs code + hie ?
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2019-01-11 20:31:51	fendor	i suspect that there is a problem with the function `withCacheModuleAndData` on Windows when running the tests. Could I somehow unit test it?
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2019-01-11 20:49:15	@alanz	fendor, for GHC 8.6.3?
2019-01-11 20:49:34	@alanz	there is a known GHC bug, that makes that version unusable on windows
2019-01-11 20:49:48	fendor	alanz, no, ghc 8.6.2
2019-01-11 20:50:11	fendor	when building on windows, the tests are stuck
2019-01-11 20:50:28	fendor	while on linux, they work
2019-01-11 20:51:39	@alanz	ok. But they pass on appveyor?
2019-01-11 20:52:16	@alanz	When versions update, it is often good to blow away the .stack-work, stack sometimes gets confused with all the submodule stuff we do
2019-01-11 20:53:31	fendor	on github, a bunch of people complain about hie being stuck, maybe that would resolve that, too
2019-01-11 20:53:37	fendor	will try
2019-01-11 20:56:14	@alanz	sounds good
2019-01-11 20:57:05	fendor	will report back in a few hours 
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2019-01-11 23:53:29	fendor	hie still not responsive after nuking .stack-work
2019-01-11 23:53:50	fendor	also, it looks like appveyor does not execute the tests?
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2019-01-12 01:02:03	fendor	i see, because they fail, documented by an issue
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2019-01-12 08:32:57	gitterbridge_hie	[decapo01] Is there a way to specify which ghc compiler to use for a stack project so it's compatible with the ghc version of the ide engine?
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2019-01-12 14:12:08	gitterbridge_hie	[entangled90] Hi all, I cannot find prebuilt binaries for the latest release. Are they coming in the next release?
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2019-01-12 22:48:43	jinbeomhong	How to rename a file when using vscode-hie-server ?
2019-01-12 22:49:42	@alanz	jinbeomhong, not implemented as yet
2019-01-12 22:50:15	jinbeomhong	Yeap, thanks
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2019-01-13 04:29:41	typetetris	Hmm renamings seems to be confined to a single module. It that true, or does it just not work for me?
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2019-01-13 09:44:36	wz1000	typetetris: why not just use xkb's pointerkeys?
2019-01-13 09:46:15	wz1000	sorry, wrong channel
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2019-01-14 20:29:15	mpickering	alanz: Do you have a comment about this indexing thread?
2019-01-14 20:31:48	@alanz	will take a look, give me the url again please
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2019-01-14 20:34:39	mpickering	It's an email
2019-01-14 20:35:51	@alanz	ok, will search again. Been snowed under recently
2019-01-14 20:37:27	mpickering	no worries if you don't have time to read it. I am just constructing a reply now
2019-01-14 20:37:45	mpickering	It seems to me that a project generating LSIF files is viable and useful
2019-01-14 20:37:57	mpickering	but you're obviously the expert here
2019-01-14 20:40:13	@alanz	I am strongly in favour of LSIF, I think we are going to see a lot of tooling supporting it soon
2019-01-14 20:40:36	@alanz	so in terms of integrating .hie files into hie, I think it is best done via LSIF
2019-01-14 20:40:56	@alanz	Realistically, we need an external database of some kind, as we cant keep everything in memory
2019-01-14 20:41:08	mpickering	sure
2019-01-14 20:41:18	@alanz	so may as well go with a thing that stands a good chance of being very well supported
2019-01-14 20:41:43	@alanz	And I have been in favour of some kind of haskell data server for some time now
2019-01-14 20:41:55	@alanz	I initially hoped we could use the leksah one
2019-01-14 20:42:09	@alanz	(when we started this project)
2019-01-14 20:43:29	@alanz	I think LSIF is going to be in gh soon too
2019-01-14 20:44:09	@alanz	And I pretty much agree what wz1000 says in his mail response
2019-01-14 20:47:36	mpickering	ok good
2019-01-14 20:47:43	mpickering	I replied now with a concrete proposal at the bottom
2019-01-14 20:47:57	mpickering	1. Generate LSIF files from HIE files.
2019-01-14 20:47:57	mpickering	2. Integrate the LSIF files into haskell-ide-engine so they can be
2019-01-14 20:47:57	mpickering	used for queries (potentially very easy but I don't know exactly how
2019-01-14 20:47:57	mpickering	to do this)
2019-01-14 20:47:57	mpickering	3. Modify haskell-code-explorer to consumer LSIF files in order to
2019-01-14 20:47:57	mpickering	produce the indexed output.
2019-01-14 20:47:57	mpickering	(4. Stretch - integrating haskell-navigation queries into haskell-code-explorer)
2019-01-14 20:47:58	@alanz	ok, and I just added a bit too
2019-01-14 20:48:10	@alanz	sounds great
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2019-01-14 23:32:30	@alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1053
2019-01-14 23:33:01	@alanz	I believe this ^^^ is a potential GSOC project
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2019-01-15 03:06:01	mpickering	Where the the types used for serialisation defined in HIE?
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2019-01-15 08:30:30	wz1000	mpickering: hiefiles/HieTypes.hs
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2019-01-15 13:47:24	mpickering	wz1000: Err I meant haskell-ide-engine I suppose and the types for the LSP serialisation
2019-01-15 13:51:01	wz1000	mpickering: oh, those are in haskell-lsp
2019-01-15 13:51:35	wz1000	Language.Haskell.LSP.Types
2019-01-15 13:51:50	wz1000	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp
2019-01-15 13:52:57	wz1000	oh, i guess they are now in haskell-lsp-types
2019-01-15 13:53:16	wz1000	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp-types
2019-01-15 13:54:17	wz1000	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp-types-0.8.0.1/docs/Language-Haskell-LSP-Types.html
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2019-01-15 16:59:07	mpickering	thanks
2019-01-15 16:59:17	mpickering	apparently there is already a language server implementation which is backed by kythe
2019-01-15 16:59:30	mpickering	which I suppose is like LSIF but without the live updating part
2019-01-15 17:03:35	wz1000	this? https://github.com/kythe/kythe/tree/master/kythe/go/languageserver
2019-01-15 17:04:01	@alanz	It would be go, given the google tie-up
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2019-01-15 18:40:00	wz1000	alanz: the video of my talk is up
2019-01-15 18:40:34	@alanz	wz1000, great, I was thinking about it on the weekend, tbh. 
2019-01-15 18:40:45	@alanz	Do you have a URL handy?
2019-01-15 18:41:04	wz1000	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52aQzcKO5Pk
2019-01-15 18:41:28	@alanz	thanks.  Will take a look when I have a moment, can't now
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2019-01-15 20:56:43	@alanz	wz1000, I just watched the video. Well done
2019-01-15 20:57:07	@alanz	Nice timing too, because you point out how things can be built on, as possible GSOC projects.
2019-01-15 20:57:20	@alanz	Well, mainly the .hie integration via LSIF
2019-01-15 21:04:31	@alanz	And I think the way to go, given 8.8 is not out yet, is to generate lsif files for existing ghc versions, which we should do anyway, and then see how we can use them in hie for cross-module data management
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2019-01-16 01:51:57	mpickering	wz1000: Yes that. I do have some level of belief in kythe as google index a lot of code using it
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2019-01-16 01:56:42	fendor	what is the purpose of the `dist` target in install.hs? Can it be used for distributing pre-built binaries, e.g. for windows and macos? Should I rather open an issue for that?
2019-01-16 01:58:10	mpickering	What is `install.hs`?
2019-01-16 01:58:31	mpickering	Sorry thought this was #ghc!
2019-01-16 01:59:50	fendor	mpickering, thought for a second I was in the wrong irc 
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2019-01-16 05:24:25	lukelau	fendor: Yes, its for building static binaries
2019-01-16 05:31:18	--	Notice(GitHub32): [haskell-ide-engine] bubba pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fhWnO
2019-01-16 05:31:18	--	Notice(GitHub32): haskell-ide-engine/master c4a9e7c Luke Lau: Take out macOS binary instructions (for now)...
2019-01-16 05:31:48	lukelau	fendor: But currently its not very useful since we’ve ran into problems relating the cabal-helper-wrapper and relative paths: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/992
2019-01-16 05:32:41	lukelau	wz1000: Great talk!
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2019-01-17 01:49:57	lukelau	alanz: Re github: Would it be feasible to focus some of the HIE development effort into the @dxld tools? i.e. are there any available independent tasks that could be carried out by us or is it blocked?
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2019-01-17 01:55:26	@alanz	@lukelau, there are, and I have been trying to do them. But I understand from dxld that he has his own vision for some parts, and I am not sure what it is. 
2019-01-17 01:55:42	@alanz	So it is a bit frustrating to work on it, sort of in the dark
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2019-01-17 21:16:19	kmelvn	Does HIE support 'Go to symbol in workspace' action in VSCode? I can jump to symbols in the file, but not symbol in the entire project...
2019-01-17 21:21:41	@alanz	kmelvn, not at the moment. Hopefully in August, after GSOC
2019-01-17 21:23:10	kmelvn	great to hear that, it's such an convenient feature! 
2019-01-17 21:24:37	@alanz	agree, the number one request
2019-01-17 21:25:21	kmelvn	Ctrl+click will be fine in the meanwhile :)
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2019-01-19 10:24:27	bgamari	o/
2019-01-19 11:07:15	wz1000	hi
2019-01-19 11:14:51	wz1000	bgamari: btw, I've been working on adding information about typeclass evidence to hie files. How much time do I have to open a MR so that it can be included in 8.8?
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2019-01-19 14:51:07	bgamari	wz1000, I'm afraid 8.8 is already closed
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2019-01-19 16:04:01	wz1000	bgamari: ok. I wanted to avoid already having multiple versions of .hie files out in the wild.
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2019-01-20 18:55:06	@alanz	wz1000, ping
2019-01-20 18:57:24	wz1000	alanz: pong
2019-01-20 18:58:00	@alanz	wz1000, would it be possible to generate .hie files for older GHC versions, by using a hook as we do for the module loader?
2019-01-20 18:59:00	@alanz	i.e. come up with some kind of program that we can run over a code base to generate hie files, so we can get the advantage now already, for the LSIF etc support
2019-01-20 18:59:34	wz1000	all the code is in ghc, if that is separated out and made to compile with older ghc's using cpp etc. then sure
2019-01-20 19:00:04	wz1000	but the format itself is defined in ghc
2019-01-20 19:00:43	@alanz	ok. I am just thinking of the possible scope of a GSOC project
2019-01-20 19:00:53	@alanz	1. convert .hie to LSIF
2019-01-20 19:01:00	@alanz	2. Support LSIF in hie
2019-01-20 19:01:18	@alanz	3. (bonus points) generate .hie for older GHCs
2019-01-20 19:01:33	wz1000	so either 1) make it a library independent of ghc; 2) .hie for older versions of ghc will be completely incompatible with .hie files generated by ghc
2019-01-20 19:03:18	@alanz	Well, the actual goal is to generate LSIF files from the older versions, so compatibility of the .hie files is not a big deal
2019-01-20 19:03:33	wz1000	I mean the code will be incompatible
2019-01-20 19:03:49	@alanz	ok.
2019-01-20 19:03:55	wz1000	One will reference HieLibrary.HieAST, the other will work using GHC.HieAST
2019-01-20 19:04:17	wz1000	which are two independent types
2019-01-20 19:04:21	@alanz	ok.
2019-01-20 19:05:41	@alanz	but we could re-use a lot of the work done in the current GHC version, to make the backward-compatible equivalent?
2019-01-20 19:06:01	@alanz	Or is it impossible, because of e.g. the .hi file not keeping what we need?
2019-01-20 19:07:19	@alanz	Maybe we can get somewhere by modifying the app NinjaTrappeur wrote
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2019-01-21 12:51:06	teto	wanted to try vscode + hie, I've done "Go to definition" then I' see a progress bar 
2019-01-21 12:51:21	teto	I've seen a progress bar for the past hour. Any way to see the log
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2019-01-21 13:05:47	@alanz	teto, open the output area in the bottom window, and select hie in the dropdown in the top right of that subwindow
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2019-01-24 17:35:04	heebo	hello i cant get completion to work on emacs, has anyone here been able to do that?
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2019-01-24 17:53:21	@alanz	heebo, I have completion working with this setup: https://gist.github.com/alanz/9b2fdd93fa91100857c0eccf6391fcb1
2019-01-24 18:09:38	heebo	thanks thats awesome
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2019-01-26 04:30:16	lukelau	alanz: Why is happy installed on the circleCI builds? Is it needed for HIE to run?
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2019-01-26 13:40:53	@alanz	lukelau, I think it is needed to build some of the hie deps, like haskell-src-exts
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2019-01-26 19:34:21	lukelau	Is it one of those cabal build-tool dependencies?
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2019-01-26 20:08:55	@alanz	lukelau, happy is a parser-generator, so whenever you are doing bare-metal parsing, like in GHC Parsing.y, you need happy
2019-01-26 20:09:48	@alanz	lukelau, and I think it can be a build-tool dependency. But a build on stack broke somewhere, so we make sure it is there now
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2019-01-26 21:29:57	lukelau	I think its installed as a part of the haskell-hie-ci dockerfile, so we shouldn’t need to install it again in CircleCI right?
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2019-01-26 22:08:19	@alanz	try without it, see what happens
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2019-01-28 18:46:16	--	Notice(GitHub47): [haskell-ide-engine] power-fungus opened pull request #1066: Display error message on stack-compilation errors (master...master) https://git.io/fhiXJ
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2019-01-28 20:34:47	typetetris	Hi there! I installed hie and lsp-mode, lsp-ui and lsp-haskell in emacs. It show the hlints tips, but I can't figure out how to apply them. Clicking the message just moves around my cursor, lsp-execute-code-action seems to do nothing. Is this expected? How should I trigger applying the hlint tip?
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2019-01-29 00:24:00	@alanz	wz1000, this test no longer passes with hlint 2.1.4
2019-01-29 00:24:02	@alanz	    it "returns hlint parse error as DsInfo ignored diagnostic" $ do
2019-01-29 00:24:02	@alanz	      filePath  <- filePathToUri <$> makeAbsolute "./test/testdata/HlintParseFail.hs"
2019-01-29 00:24:14	@alanz	But I am not sure how it can be updated
2019-01-29 00:24:33	@alanz	As hlint now does not fail to parse that
2019-01-29 00:24:40	@alanz	lukelau, ^^
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2019-01-29 00:57:00	@alanz	nevermind, just made an actual parse error
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2019-01-29 01:15:45	--	Notice(GitHub90): haskell-ide-engine/master 0cb2591 Samuel Pilz: Add error message to `install.hs` suggesting to clean workspace
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2019-01-29 23:37:24	kmelvn	Can I somehow access stack/cabal project details through some HIE & VSCode API? For example get all packages in stack, all executables in a package, source directory for an executable? 
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2019-01-29 23:49:03	davedave	hi, I'm using hie but some modules are not being recognized.   Does anyone have any idea why this might be?
2019-01-29 23:57:49	davedave	I have to get going, I'll ask on the mailing list.
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2019-01-30 01:16:32	typetetris	Should jump to definition work with emacs and lsp-haskell? I get the hlint stuff and some things with lsp-ui, but lsp-{goto,find}-*-definition don't work.
2019-01-30 01:17:47	@alanz	typetetris, does any of the hover stuff work? showing documentation, or types, or sideline info?
2019-01-30 01:18:20	typetetris	sideline info works, applying hlint-hints with lsp-ui-sideline-apply-code-actions (or so) works.
2019-01-30 01:18:37	@alanz	does it show ghc-types though?
2019-01-30 01:18:44	@alanz	or just hlint info?
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2019-01-30 01:20:09	typetetris	just hlint info now, strange, the types worked half an hour ago or so. there is an error about void function haskell-doc-current-info
2019-01-30 01:20:14	@alanz	typetetris, go to definition only works within the current project, not across modules, or into library etc functions
2019-01-30 01:20:29	@alanz	it could be that the project is not currently buildable
2019-01-30 01:20:39	typetetris	I'll check
2019-01-30 01:21:06	@alanz	there should be a buffer called something like *hie::stderr* that may have some useful info in it
2019-01-30 01:21:42	typetetris	That buffer is empty.
2019-01-30 01:21:48	@alanz	And I see there is now also *lsp-log*
2019-01-30 01:22:18	@alanz	that buffer will have stuff in it sometimes, if the underlying ghc-mod has a problem configuring your project
2019-01-30 01:22:36	@alanz	Try build it via M-x compile, and see what you get
2019-01-30 01:23:13	typetetris	It asks for a compile command. Giving it cabal build, that is happy.
2019-01-30 01:23:26	typetetris	There is no buffer *lsp-log* for me.
2019-01-30 01:24:38	@alanz	ok, I just looked at all available buffers, it is there for me. I installed via MELPA, and update regularly (package-list-packages)
2019-01-30 01:25:04	@alanz	Mine has
2019-01-30 01:25:05	@alanz	Using hie version: Version 0.5.0.0, Git revision 0a87cf1cb3a394d5836829220f36c876c46031f0 (2391 commits) x86_64 ghc-8.6.3
2019-01-30 01:25:05	@alanz	Using hoogle db at: /home/alanz/.hoogle/default-haskell-5.0.17.hoo
2019-01-30 01:25:10	@alanz	in it
2019-01-30 01:25:57	typetetris	My .emacs-File by the way, maybe that helps and I screwed something up here: https://gist.github.com/typetetris/cca937764617b33b81e9d4ade0af8e33
2019-01-30 01:26:40	typetetris	Okay I have hie 0.3.0.0, so I should upgrade that first maybe.
2019-01-30 01:26:53	@alanz	yes, agree
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2019-01-30 01:28:06	@alanz	typetetris, this is my config: https://gist.github.com/alanz/07b79275e0531d29d4379a9803297ce8
2019-01-30 01:28:19	@alanz	And I also use evil-mode
2019-01-30 01:28:40	@alanz	And I am pretty sure all those initial includes are not needed anymore
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2019-01-30 05:03:30	davedave	hi, I'm using hie from inside vim.  Mostly it works but it does not know about module Data.Aeson.   Anyone have any idea what might be going on?
2019-01-30 05:11:20	davedave	is anyone there?
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2019-01-30 16:11:17	typetetris	Hi!
2019-01-30 16:12:04	typetetris	emacs with lsp, lsp-ui and lsp-haskell seems to work now for me. But I am missing the documentation popup, which vs code for example shows. Is there a way to get that with emacs lsp and stuff?
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2019-01-30 18:15:11	@alanz	typetetris, I find the documentation popup is a bit flaky, and have not been able to track it down, or spend serious time on it.https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-ui/issues/178
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2019-01-30 18:56:46	typetetris	There have been some stale cabal / cabal-helper info for me, I had to delete ~/.cabal and ~/.cache/cabal-helper to get it working. vs code gives an error in this case "package <name> with package-id <name>-<stuff looking like a sha> cannot be resolved" or some such, while emacs+lsp-haskell simply played dead. (Nothing in *hie:stderr* buffer, no *lsp-log* buffer).
2019-01-30 18:57:03	typetetris	Now I get the doc hover, but its also displayed in the minibuffer which is kind of annoying.
2019-01-30 19:05:38	typetetris	davedave: How do you build your project? cabal? cabal new-build? stack? nix? What does your favourite version of 'cabal exec -- ghc-pkg list` tell you? Does it include Data.Aeson?
2019-01-30 19:11:37	typetetris	alanz: Hmm In my version of emacs+stuff the hover seems to be just flaky.
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2019-01-31 02:48:19	lukelau	kmelvn: We don’t expose any stack/cabal details through LSP at the moment no, but cabal-helper does that kind of stuff
2019-01-31 02:58:24	lukelau	alanz: Are you still working on the bleeding-edge-ch branch? Trying to merge new cabal-helper master into it
2019-01-31 02:59:39	@alanz	lukelau, no, I have basically abandoned that, because dxld is now doing his final project based on c-h/ghc-mod, and is spending time on it.
2019-01-31 02:59:54	@alanz	And anyway, the ghc-mod-core part is going to change completely.
2019-01-31 03:00:28	@alanz	So I figure I will leave it to him. He also has the assistance of fendor and power-fungus, under hvr's guidance
2019-01-31 03:00:42	@alanz	So for a change we have a lot of firepower devoted to the problem
2019-01-31 03:00:45	lukelau	Awesome
2019-01-31 03:00:45	@alanz	:)
2019-01-31 03:00:57	lukelau	That news has made my week
2019-01-31 03:01:03	@alanz	And I am standing back and letting them all get on with it
2019-01-31 03:01:22	@alanz	and dxld just told me the new cabal-helper is on master, and is green on CI
2019-01-31 03:01:24	lukelau	And you’ll be finally able to close that years old hackage issue
2019-01-31 03:01:32	@alanz	exactly
2019-01-31 03:01:37	@alanz	2015, I think
2019-01-31 03:01:49	@alanz	Time flies when you are having fun.
2019-01-31 03:01:59	lukelau	dxld: Godspeed!
2019-01-31 03:02:02	@alanz	But I am looking forward to seeing it come together
2019-01-31 03:03:43	lukelau	Would it be worthwhile just to do a dodgy merge of the new cabal-helper for the meantime anyway? It’s currently blocking https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1023
2019-01-31 03:04:22	@alanz	lukelau, if you want to, go for it.
2019-01-31 03:04:58	@alanz	My time has got limited over the last while, so I have not been so active, and been focusing on GHC/ghc-exactprint etc
2019-01-31 03:05:37	@alanz	And we also need to cherry-pick that UTF8 encoding thing for ghc-mod, else the japanese encoding fails
2019-01-31 03:05:39	lukelau	Same, I’ve just started work placement and haven’t had as much free time recently but will be looking to get back into it
2019-01-31 03:05:48	@alanz	ok
2019-01-31 03:06:10	lukelau	alanz: I’ll take a look at that commit
2019-01-31 03:06:17	lukelau	What’s new on the ghc-exactprint front?
2019-01-31 03:07:02	@alanz	just updating for GHC 8.8
2019-01-31 03:16:35	@alanz	lukelau, its weird, a year ago my son was doing his work placement in Dublin
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2019-01-31 11:43:37	teto	I am kind of lost with this error. I use ghc 8.6 on nix readCreateProcess: /nix/store/drwy1mqr3h1h6dhpvhpgid14qp0c7jn4-cabal-helper-0.9.0.0/bin/cabal-helper-wrapper "--with-ghc=ghc" "--with-ghc-pkg=ghc-pkg" "--with-cabal=cabal" "v1-style" "/home/teto/mptcpnetlink/hs" "/home/teto/mptcpnetlink/hs/dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.6.3/netlink-pm-1.0.0" "package-db-stack" "flags"
2019-01-31 11:43:39	teto	"compiler-version" "ghc-merged-pkg-options" "config-flags" "non-default-config-flags" "ghc-src-options" "ghc-pkg-options" "ghc-lang-options" "ghc-options" "source-dirs" "entrypoints" "needs-build-output" (exit 1): failed
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2019-01-31 12:20:36	typetetris	teto: strange that "v1-style" is mentioned but a directorty "dist-newstyle". Perhaps it helps to start with a clean project repo? Delete, dist, dist-newstyle, .ghc.environment*-Files and if you can stand it ~/.cabal and ~/.cache/cabal-helper and try again.
2019-01-31 12:22:54	teto	looking at my lsp client logs
2019-01-31 12:22:57	teto	DEBUG: setup configuration is out of date
2019-01-31 12:22:58	teto	DEBUG: reconfiguring Cabal new-build project
2019-01-31 12:23:00	teto	cabal-helper-wrapper: /home/teto/mptcpnetlink/hs/dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.6.3/netlink-pm-1.0.0/setup-config: openFile: does not exist (No such file or directory)
2019-01-31 12:23:02	teto	info: Found no other project type, falling back to plain GHC project
2019-01-31 12:23:04	teto	info: Found Cabal project at: /home/teto/mptcpnetlink/hs
2019-01-31 12:23:06	teto	info: Using Cabal new-build project at: /home/teto/mptcpnetlink/hs
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2019-01-31 12:31:47	typetetris	ghc8.6.3 from nixos-unstable doesn't even build in the commit of the channel i got while i last updated, so can't test this sorry.
2019-01-31 12:32:47	typetetris	I would try, as I said, with a clean state and go from there. Maybe even call cabal new-configure before starting hie. But be aware of those .ghc.envir* files, they will break nix-build.
2019-01-31 12:33:26	teto	typetetris: nixos-unstable got bumped like 1 hour ago
2019-01-31 12:35:50	teto	I've tried removing ~/.cache and then ran cabal new-update
2019-01-31 12:36:39	teto	also removed new-dist etc and ran new-configure but it still fails. According to tracker, cabal 2.4.1 can be a problem ? I wonder how I can work around it
2019-01-31 12:37:00	typetetris	Which version of haskell-ide-engine do you run?
2019-01-31 12:37:42	teto	Version 0.5.0.0 x86_64 ghc-8.6.3 via hie-nix master
2019-01-31 12:38:47	typetetris	There is no error output from the cabal-helper-wrapper call somewhere, just its exit code?
2019-01-31 12:41:20	teto	typetetris: looking at lsp error log, I get : /home/teto/mptcpnetlink/hs/dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.6.3/netlink-pm-1.0.0/setup-config: openFile: does not exist (No such file or directory) which reminds me of https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1015
2019-01-31 12:42:12	teto	in dist-newstyle folder, I just have a "cache" folder
2019-01-31 12:43:10	typetetris	Looks like it.
2019-01-31 12:43:55	typetetris	So try to do a `cabal new-build` first an perhaps link the setup-config file around. If the workaround applies, it is this bug most likely.
2019-01-31 12:44:24	typetetris	I don't see the `opt` path component mentioned in the ticket in your error message, so it really looks like it.
2019-01-31 12:48:27	teto	yep I will try to https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1023#issuecomment-455775570 . I first have to solve some problems with nix since haskell can't find some packages.
2019-01-31 12:50:46	typetetris	Maybe I should hack nix-support into cabal-helper or something, where it simply stops using cabal-install and stack and just does, what nix does to build a package (cabal the Library style setup.hs stuff). If one used it, he would loose the stuff from cabal.project files, but with nix you probably don't want that anyway.
2019-01-31 12:55:20	teto	I have lots of errors like
2019-01-31 12:55:26	teto	    Could not load module ‘Data.Map’
2019-01-31 12:55:28	teto	    It is a member of the hidden package ‘containers-0.6.0.1’
2019-01-31 12:55:40	teto	ghc-pkg list shows these containers are available
2019-01-31 13:01:09	typetetris	Did you list containers in your cabal file? Usually that means, you have the package installed only as a non-direct dependency and cabals hides the package, so you can't import modules from it. If you directly depend on it, list it in your build-depends in the cabal file.
2019-01-31 13:04:24	teto	typetetris: yep that fixed it thanks.
2019-01-31 13:04:39	typetetris	need to go now
2019-01-31 13:04:41	typetetris	sorry
2019-01-31 13:16:20	teto	so after running cabal new-build, I find a setup-config in dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.6.3/netlink-pm-1.0.0/x/daemon/setup-config , which is quite different than the path expected by hie ! (/home/teto/mptcpnetlink/hs/dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.6.3/netlink-pm-1.0.0/setup-config)
2019-01-31 13:16:28	teto	I wonder why the x/daemon part
2019-01-31 13:18:07	teto	ok got it working ... 
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2019-01-31 13:48:30	typetetris	What did you do to get it working? Just a symlink to the position hie expects?
2019-01-31 13:49:01	teto	yep
2019-01-31 13:50:01	teto	and just now I got the feature "Type information and documentation(via haddock) on hover" working \o/ Now trying in nvim ...
2019-01-31 13:50:11	teto	(I mean it works in vscode)
2019-01-31 14:02:14	typetetris	the lsp-client of neovim made me try emacs with evil mode :)
2019-01-31 14:16:59	teto	I wonder if hover in vscode maps to `:call LanguageClient#textDocument_hover()` in LanguageCLient-neovim. The answers differ, like vscode is perfect, in nvim, the server just returns "_ :: [Char]" xD
2019-01-31 14:18:15	teto	looking at the logs, seems like there is a delta of 1 between the hie request (line 283) and the line displayed by nvim (284)
2019-01-31 14:25:57	teto	hum I added this snippet https://github.com/autozimu/LanguageClient-neovim/issues/618#issuecomment-430006798 and it works nice
2019-01-31 14:29:48	teto	even without it it works, I was too slow typing the mapping it seems (and visual mode was not needed as I thought it could)
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2019-01-31 15:35:27	typetetris	could try that, but emacs has the original org-mode which one of the points i used to convince myself it was a good idea to switch to emacs.
2019-01-31 15:51:31	teto	once neovim merges floating windows and multigrid, I really won't miss much
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2019-02-02 14:36:52	@alanz	lukelau, wz1000 I am going to push out a new (monthly) release based on current master. Is anything nearly done that needs to go in, or any blockers?
2019-02-02 14:36:56	@alanz	anyone?
2019-02-02 14:38:33	wz1000	i don't have anything
2019-02-02 14:42:02	@alanz	thanks
2019-02-02 16:05:29	@alanz	Please comment/review/proofread/check the changelog at https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1072
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2019-02-04 02:30:55	lukelau	alanz: Sorry I didn’t get a chance to look at the release earlier, I was away at fosdem this weekend!
2019-02-04 02:31:24	lukelau	No Haskell there sadly but still lots of great talks
2019-02-04 02:31:58	@alanz	lukelau, nice, I have been seeing good reports about it here and there
2019-02-04 02:32:26	@alanz	where was it held?
2019-02-04 02:33:04	@alanz	brussels
2019-02-04 02:33:04	lukelau	Brussels so pretty close to get to
2019-02-04 02:33:30	@alanz	nice. I see the website lists beer as one of the things to do :)
2019-02-04 02:33:30	lukelau	It was absolutely packed, but I think that’s a good thing :)
2019-02-04 02:33:44	lukelau	Nice to see open source is thriving
2019-02-04 02:34:28	@alanz	yes, I think it is one of the primary OSS things
2019-02-04 02:36:22	@alanz	I see there was a talk on SKA
2019-02-04 02:36:52	@alanz	Their data storage and throughput requirements are insanc
2019-02-04 02:36:56	@alanz	insane
2019-02-04 02:38:23	lukelau	Just reading about it now
2019-02-04 02:38:45	lukelau	4Tb/s read and 0.5Tb/s write
2019-02-04 02:39:08	lukelau	Those numbers are hard to comprehend
2019-02-04 02:39:44	@alanz	Here is a good talk on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aSe5HMCo6A
2019-02-04 02:39:50	lukelau	Thats like a hard drive every second
2019-02-04 02:39:54	@alanz	from scaleconf a few years back
2019-02-04 02:40:40	@alanz	I know when they did the initial numbers it tied back to the energy needed to move the bits, if they were encoded in photons, or something crazy like that
2019-02-04 02:43:51	lukelau	And one of the sites going to be built in SA?
2019-02-04 02:44:25	@alanz	yes, it is already in operation, the precursor. First images came out last year. A think called Meerkat
2019-02-04 02:44:55	@alanz	https://www.ska.ac.za/media-releases/meerkat-joins-the-ranks-of-the-worlds-great-scientific-instruments-through-its-first-light-image/
2019-02-04 02:46:39	lukelau	Awesome
2019-02-04 02:47:42	lukelau	I presume the southern hemisphere has a really good night sky
2019-02-04 02:50:00	@alanz	yes. Including the Southern Cross. And that location is out in pretty much desert
2019-02-04 02:50:05	@alanz	as is the other one, in aus
2019-02-04 04:07:02	lukelau	Finished merging in latest c-h https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/pull/4
2019-02-04 04:07:11	lukelau	Runs kinda different now
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2019-02-07 00:02:44	madjestic	hey guys
2019-02-07 00:06:32	madjestic	does hie expect current project to be set up with stack?
2019-02-07 00:07:19	madjestic	I am getting this error whem trying to run hie with emacs: https://paste.ofcode.org/PcHHqjpsgKYE3MGBc6pFTs
2019-02-07 00:08:53	madjestic	I see that there's a command in that string, which hie/lsp, from the looks of it, is trying to run, so I tried it in a terminal: https://paste.ofcode.org/3bVGRJPseT6Ctk97wKEF3pR
2019-02-07 00:10:52	madjestic	which seems to be lookging for "home/madjestic/Projects/Haskell/e1337/dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.6.3/e1337-0.1.0.0/setup-config", which does not exist in my project, instead I've got this:
2019-02-07 00:11:12	madjestic	.../e1337/dist/...
2019-02-07 00:11:33	madjestic	or does it just need a fresh project with a newest cabal?
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2019-02-07 05:07:17	mpickering	did anyone look at how ghc-lib is implemented?
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2019-02-07 22:22:12	Unode	hi all, I have a project that was just upgraded to ghc-8.6 . I have hie-8.6 installed, start vscode, I see hie starting in htop but I get no functionality in the editor.
2019-02-07 22:22:35	Unode	I enabled tracing the communication but can't seem to find where it's written to
2019-02-07 22:22:42	Unode	does anyone here know?
2019-02-07 22:32:30	Unode	ok found where the logs are supposed to be written to but I'm not getting anything relevant there.
2019-02-07 22:33:20	Unode	In the meanwhile I noticed that when hie starts it actually works but the moment I hit Ctrl+space I see a "Loading..." pop-up and from this point onwards every pop-up shows "Loading..."
2019-02-07 22:40:35	Unode	Seems like this is what's causing the problem http://dpaste.com/0AANAK9
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2019-02-08 00:38:04	Unode	Is there any shortcut that allows be to "copy-paste" the function signature given by hie into the current file?
2019-02-08 00:38:09	Unode	allows me*
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2019-02-08 01:56:26	vlad_r	Greetings. I am an experienced programmer but am quite new to the Haskell ecosystem. I have an Atom + hie setup that is functional for "Hello World" experiment but experiences issues on large-ish existing codebase. Specifically, the parser barfs on pragmas like {-# LANGUAGE OverloadedStrings #-} after which not much works within that source file except for syntax coloring. 
2019-02-08 01:58:23	vlad_r	Am I missing something obvious? I get "parse error on input '#'" from "ghcmod" Source.
2019-02-08 02:01:27	Unode	vlad_r: try compiling the code with ghc.
2019-02-08 02:01:50	vlad_r	It compiles fine
2019-02-08 02:01:56	Unode	I also find that occasionally hie runs out of sync and fails to update after changes in the editor. Restarting the editor helps.
2019-02-08 02:02:13	Unode	I'm using vscode though, not atom.
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2019-02-08 23:04:32	hyperisco	Hello, does HIE support autocompletion of imports given a symbol not in scope?
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2019-02-09 23:27:43	lukelau	mpickering: I’ve tried swapping out ghc for ghc-lib in ghc-mod, ran into some template-haskell problems
2019-02-09 23:29:20	lukelau	Unode: Yeah those errors occur whenever ghc-mod/ghc trip up, usually you need to restart hie for that. Although I thought we had caught those exceptions @alanz ?
2019-02-09 23:56:12	@alanz	lukelau, we do catch exceptions, but no longer the generic catch-all one, so may have to extend the handler
2019-02-09 23:56:26	@alanz	for the specific one happening
2019-02-09 23:56:41	lukelau	I was thinking would it be worthwhile just crashing instead
2019-02-09 23:56:50	lukelau	VSCode restarts the server automatically
2019-02-09 23:57:04	lukelau	And I did a quick search and I think lsp-mode does too
2019-02-09 23:57:22	@alanz	That was my original idea too, which is why I think we brought in race_
2019-02-09 23:57:24	lukelau	https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-mode/blob/789b672500dcbb2350bb5b667ffc0fd037a8b2e3/changelog.org#L6
2019-02-09 23:57:32	@alanz	but then I think I took out race recently
2019-02-09 23:57:45	@alanz	and restarting the server is the norm.
2019-02-09 23:57:56	@alanz	BUT, it depends on what the exception is.
2019-02-09 23:58:33	@alanz	for example, if GHC throws an exception for a particular invocation, but we can recover, then no point crashing the whole server
2019-02-09 23:59:13	@alanz	And I have had zero chance to look at ghc-lib, been really snowed under this last while
2019-02-09 23:59:50	lukelau	alanz: I’m seeing the list of error handlers now, that makes sense. I’ll see if I can figure out what that particular exception was that Unode was seeing
2019-02-10 00:01:38	@alanz	great. What you can do, is catch the generic one, print it, then rethow it
2019-02-10 00:03:20	lukelau	I presume it should also be pessimistic, that it presumes that an exception is non-recoverable unless we specify otherwise 
2019-02-10 00:03:28	@alanz	And I am seeing the light at the end of the tunnel with ghc-exactprint, I think I may be close to being done with it for GHC 8.8
2019-02-10 00:03:56	@alanz	that is what we are doing now with the generic exception
2019-02-10 00:03:57	lukelau	Nice, then you’ll have more time for hie right ;)
2019-02-10 00:04:29	@alanz	I know dxld persuaded me of it, as it includes various async exceptions, such as operating system signals (ctrl-C, for example)
2019-02-10 00:05:23	dxld	catching SomeException eh?
2019-02-10 00:05:43	 *	dxld decends from the heavens to smite down thy SomeException catching!
2019-02-10 00:05:45	lukelau	Looks like we catch:
2019-02-10 00:06:02	@alanz	dxld, not anymore, but we need something specific now
2019-02-10 00:06:05	lukelau	GhcException, SourceError, GhcApiError, IOEnvFailure, GhcModError, IOError
2019-02-10 00:06:17	lukelau	The catcher for SomeException is commented out lol
2019-02-10 00:06:29	dxld	IOEnvFailure sounds new to me
2019-02-10 00:06:30	@alanz	based on input from the smiter
2019-02-10 00:11:25	dxld	:)
2019-02-10 00:16:13	dxld	typetetris: you'll be happy to hear I finally got around to implementing that cabal-helper optimization for Nix we talked about at MuniHac :)  https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/pull/60/commits/fdcc1a9e652aaa7d8e012febcb43c21065270c2d
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2019-02-10 03:18:49	mpickering	lukelau: So you know how ghc-lib is implemented then?
2019-02-10 04:20:54	lukelau	mpickering: No, I took a quick look at the repo and looks like they use a script to build the source for it?
2019-02-10 04:21:07	mpickering	I have no idea how this works still then
2019-02-10 04:21:28	lukelau	Magic
2019-02-10 04:21:40	mpickering	seems like they don't particularly want to discuss it..
2019-02-10 04:22:07	mpickering	I've also been thinking about LSIF again
2019-02-10 04:22:11	lukelau	https://github.com/digital-asset/ghc-lib/blob/master/ghc-lib-gen/src/Main.hs
2019-02-10 04:22:21	mpickering	and I think that we should just implement it rather than wait until the summer
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2019-02-10 12:56:06	wz1000	mpickering: you mean .hie -> lsif, lsif -> html or both?
2019-02-10 13:32:23	mpickering	Hie to lsif wz1000 
2019-02-10 13:32:32	mpickering	How hard can it be
2019-02-10 13:33:43	mpickering	And once that is done, I want to generate lsif files for Ghc 
2019-02-10 13:33:43	mpickering	And once that is done, I want to generate lsif files for Ghc 
2019-02-10 14:04:35	wz1000	shouldn't be too hard. the first step would be teaching haskell-lsp about lsif.
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2019-02-10 14:14:24	mpickering	wz1000: What are you doing today? Want to take a crack at it with me?
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2019-02-10 14:51:53	wz1000	mpickering: sure. can you give me a couple of hours?
2019-02-10 14:52:10	mpickering	yep, what time will work for you?
2019-02-10 14:52:29	mpickering	then let's jump on a call to work out a rough plan and get to it
2019-02-10 14:53:07	wz1000	ok, I should be free in about two hours from now.
2019-02-10 16:47:52	wz1000	mpickering: hey
2019-02-10 16:47:57	mpickering	hello
2019-02-10 16:48:06	mpickering	I am just trying to install hie now 
2019-02-10 16:49:09	wz1000	that shouldn't be necessary at this stage, no?
2019-02-10 16:50:46	mpickering	no but I wanted to see how it worked still
2019-02-10 16:51:32	mpickering	So I can't actually call you I realise as I forgot I have to use my phone to tether in my office currently
2019-02-10 16:51:38	mpickering	so let's just chat here
2019-02-10 16:51:43	mpickering	It seems there are two main things to do
2019-02-10 16:51:49	mpickering	1. Make haskell-lsp work with lsif files
2019-02-10 16:51:58	mpickering	2. Generate lsif files from hie files
2019-02-10 16:52:09	wz1000	yup
2019-02-10 16:52:38	mpickering	What is involved in (1)?
2019-02-10 16:54:26	wz1000	well, we should start by adding the lsif-specific types and aeson instances to haskell-lsp-types
2019-02-10 16:55:22	wz1000	have you read the specification?
2019-02-10 16:55:24	wz1000	https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/indexFormat/specification.md
2019-02-10 16:55:56	wz1000	and these are the types we need to add: https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/indexFormat/specification.md
2019-02-10 16:56:06	wz1000	sorry, https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/indexFormat/protocol.ts
2019-02-10 16:57:02	mpickering	right so you mean the graph structure they use in their representation
2019-02-10 16:57:03	mpickering	I agree
2019-02-10 16:57:34	wz1000	yes. we might also need some helpers to make reading/writing the graph easier
2019-02-10 16:57:44	mpickering	Is this best to go in a specific project or straight into haskell-lsp-types?
2019-02-10 16:58:21	wz1000	I think haskell-lsp-types would be fine.
2019-02-10 16:58:26	wz1000	alanz?
2019-02-10 16:58:59	mankyKitty	just mentioning that waargonaut is an option for json wrangling as well, if aeson gets in your way. :) 
2019-02-10 16:59:08	mpickering	well let's just do that in a new module
2019-02-10 16:59:40	wz1000	anything we use needs to have dependency on haskell-lsp anyway, since we need a bunch of regular lsp types
2019-02-10 16:59:53	mpickering	right we can split it out later
2019-02-10 17:00:02	mpickering	if deemed necessary
2019-02-10 17:00:33	mpickering	tbh I have found this specification quite hard to understand so I don't have a good model yet about what the structure is
2019-02-10 17:00:38	mpickering	but the Ts file should be a good starting point
2019-02-10 17:01:30	wz1000	yeah, we basically need to translate that verbatim into haskell
2019-02-10 17:01:50	wz1000	that is pretty much how the other lsp types are defined as well
2019-02-10 17:02:16	@alanz	wz1000, mpickering making haskell-lsp-types support LSIF is the way to go, I would say
2019-02-10 17:02:22	mpickering	is there a good way to split this up between us?
2019-02-10 17:02:55	 *	alanz excited to see this work being tackled
2019-02-10 17:03:34	wz1000	I don't see any natural way tbh. We can take turns and continue where the other left off.
2019-02-10 17:03:48	@alanz	btw, there was a new release of vscode a few days ago, it might be interesting to get some example running there with LSIF (even using say a typescript project), as a reference for how it works/looks
2019-02-10 17:03:56	mpickering	ok perhaps I can make a start with the hie file bit then?
2019-02-10 17:04:04	mpickering	As there will be quite a bit of boiler plate to get going with there
2019-02-10 17:04:05	@alanz	then substitute haskell LSIF and check
2019-02-10 17:05:58	mpickering	alanz: How do I get vscode to work with a new-build project?
2019-02-10 17:06:53	wz1000	mpickering: is HIE crashing? do you see an error in the Output pane of vscode?
2019-02-10 17:07:02	mpickering	It is trying to call cabal configure
2019-02-10 17:07:10	mpickering	which is obviously failing
2019-02-10 17:07:44	wz1000	does it crash with a message about setup-config not existing?
2019-02-10 17:08:38	mpickering	`readCreateProcess: cabal "configure"... failed`
2019-02-10 17:08:52	wz1000	do you have a dist/ directory?
2019-02-10 17:09:06	@alanz	mpickering, the new-build support is very iffy at the moment, and currently wz1000 is the best authority on it
2019-02-10 17:09:12	mpickering	yes? can I just force it to use new-build though?
2019-02-10 17:09:22	@alanz	waiting for dxld to get proper support in place
2019-02-10 17:09:53	wz1000	no, you will have to delete it. ghc-mods project finding logic assumes that if you have dist/ the project should be built with cabal old-build
2019-02-10 17:10:11	mpickering	I deleted it and it still tries to cabal configure
2019-02-10 17:10:31	wz1000	hmm. can you pass --vomit to HIE?
2019-02-10 17:11:02	mpickering	oh wait a minute, I think this project wasn't a new-build one hehe
2019-02-10 17:14:49	mpickering	ok I will try and get this working later
2019-02-10 17:15:07	mpickering	I'll get started with the boilerplate for the hiefile to lsif bit
2019-02-10 17:16:02	wz1000	mpickering: you might want to look at this: https://github.com/wz1000/HieDb/blob/master/src/Main.hs
2019-02-10 17:16:23	mpickering	as in, I should copy it?
2019-02-10 17:16:53	wz1000	just as an example of how to consume .hie files
2019-02-10 17:16:59	mpickering	perfect
2019-02-10 17:19:14	wz1000	its not really a database though. It doesn't write anything to file, its entirely in memory
2019-02-10 17:19:35	mpickering	sure that's fine though, much easier to start from this
2019-02-10 17:20:04	mpickering	Is it possible to convert one file at a time to lsif or do we have to do it all at once?
2019-02-10 17:20:09	mpickering	I hope it's the former..?
2019-02-10 17:21:30	wz1000	one lsif file corresponds to an entire worktree
2019-02-10 17:21:38	mpickering	err really?
2019-02-10 17:21:43	wz1000	yes
2019-02-10 17:21:45	mpickering	isn't that going to be massive
2019-02-10 17:21:45	wz1000	i think so
2019-02-10 17:21:50	wz1000	yup
2019-02-10 17:22:02	mpickering	like for GHC there will be thousands of references
2019-02-10 17:22:40	wz1000	I think there is form of sharing etc.
2019-02-10 17:23:17	mpickering	so if two packages have lsif files, how do you load them both at once?
2019-02-10 17:23:47	mpickering	or is that not something you do
2019-02-10 17:23:51	wz1000	what do you mean?
2019-02-10 17:24:01	mpickering	Well if I jump to definition from one project
2019-02-10 17:24:01	wz1000	that is the language servers problem, no?
2019-02-10 17:24:07	mpickering	that definition might be in another project? 
2019-02-10 17:24:32	wz1000	yeah, so the language server has to know how to map projects to their lsif files
2019-02-10 17:24:41	mpickering	ok
2019-02-10 17:32:10	mpickering	wz1000: Are you getting started with adding the types to haskell-lsp-types?
2019-02-10 17:34:53	wz1000	yeah
2019-02-10 17:42:24	lukelau	Got ghc-mod building with ghc-lib
2019-02-10 17:42:55	lukelau	Lots of the GHC api has subtle changes, not sure if this is because of upstream GHC changes or if its just ghc-lib
2019-02-10 17:43:19	wz1000	nice. does it work with HIE?
2019-02-10 17:43:36	lukelau	Currently fixing HIE to use ghc-lib now too
2019-02-10 17:43:47	lukelau	Looks like a lot of the srcspan stuff has changed
2019-02-10 17:44:18	wz1000	oh, that should be related to the TTG stuff
2019-02-10 17:44:32	mpickering	wz1000: What can cause a "HIE file is missing" error?
2019-02-10 17:44:47	mpickering	I am trying to use `-hiedir` to control why they get output to
2019-02-10 17:44:53	lukelau	Ah ok
2019-02-10 17:46:19	mpickering	ah it seems to work now
2019-02-10 17:46:33	mpickering	It just puts the files in folders 
2019-02-10 17:49:26	mpickering	right my basic test work
2019-02-10 17:54:57	lukelau	wz1000: Just got an error about ModLocation, need to update it to include ml_hie_file :)
2019-02-10 18:50:39	mpickering	wz1000: I added some basic testing infrastructure now, how are you getting on?
2019-02-10 18:51:54	wz1000	writing aeson instances...
2019-02-10 18:54:19	mpickering	<3 
2019-02-10 19:02:11	lukelau	Bad news, https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-lib-0.20190204/docs/GhcMake.html#v:load still looks for interface files of the same version
2019-02-10 19:02:28	lukelau	i.e. Bad interface file: /.stack/programs/x86_64-osx/ghc-8.6.3/lib/ghc-8.6.3/base-4.12.0.0/System/IO.hi
2019-02-10 19:02:29	lukelau	    mismatched interface file versions (wanted "80720190122", got "8063")
2019-02-10 19:12:59	wz1000	hmm. this means it's not much use for HIE, no?
2019-02-10 19:16:01	wz1000	alanz: do you mind a singletons dependency in haskell-lsp-types?
2019-02-10 19:17:22	@alanz	wz1000, thats quite lightweight, isn't it? should be fine
2019-02-10 19:17:35	mpickering	err I don't think it is
2019-02-10 19:17:47	mpickering	singletons seems a bit overkill wz1000 ? 
2019-02-10 19:19:24	wz1000	mpickering: see this sum type: https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/indexFormat/protocol.ts#L25
2019-02-10 19:19:50	wz1000	each vertex type has a label from that
2019-02-10 19:20:08	wz1000	and the fields in the vertex depend on that label
2019-02-10 19:20:19	mpickering	can't we make it untyped for now?
2019-02-10 19:21:52	lukelau	wz1000: Its not much use for ghc-mod anyway
2019-02-10 19:22:00	wz1000	mpickering: we already have untyped json Values
2019-02-10 19:22:21	lukelau	All HIE needs is the typechecked module from a file though right?
2019-02-10 19:22:51	lukelau	There’s an example here of getting the parsed module just by reading in the contents of the file into a buffer
2019-02-10 19:22:51	lukelau	https://github.com/digital-asset/ghc-lib/blob/master/examples/mini-hlint/src/Main.hs
2019-02-10 19:23:07	wz1000	yes, but we need to load all the dependencies in order to do that
2019-02-10 19:24:02	lukelau	Oh well, it was a learning experience anyway
2019-02-10 19:24:59	mpickering	wz1000: I would go with whatever is faster
2019-02-10 19:25:32	mpickering	if we could just get lsif files with only simple references in today that would be good
2019-02-10 19:25:37	mpickering	no need to implement the whole spec at once
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2019-02-10 19:31:48	wz1000	mpickering: the problem is that it is all encoded in this object oriented kind of style: https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/indexFormat/protocol.ts#L711
2019-02-10 19:32:23	wz1000	doing it in haskell without massive duplication requires some thought
2019-02-10 19:32:53	mpickering	how many data types are you having to define?
2019-02-10 19:33:11	mpickering	sure not having duplication would be better but if you can copy+paste then that's fine
2019-02-10 19:36:05	mpickering	if you can get the skeleton working then I can write code against your interface whilst you finish up the details
2019-02-10 19:36:25	wz1000	mpickering: if you want to continue today, why not start out with manually outputing json? I have to step out for a bit, I will continue when I come back.
2019-02-10 19:36:41	wz1000	And I'll try to have this ready in a couple of days
2019-02-10 19:36:43	mpickering	ok, I will try that
2019-02-10 22:21:14	mpickering	I nearly have generated some JSON now
2019-02-10 22:21:18	mpickering	but I'm almost sure it's wrong
2019-02-10 22:21:27	mpickering	it's so dynamically typed
2019-02-10 22:21:32	mpickering	it's hard to be confident
2019-02-10 22:35:26	mpickering	wz1000: Do you know how to install https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode-lsif-extension
2019-02-10 22:55:10	wz1000	mpickering: npm install, then open it in vscode and press f5
2019-02-10 22:55:11	mpickering	ok I managed that now
2019-02-10 22:55:29	mpickering	and I turned on tracing
2019-02-10 22:55:33	mpickering	where does the trace go?
2019-02-10 22:56:26	wz1000	no idea. check the dropdown in the output pane
2019-02-10 22:57:47	mpickering	ok I need to enable the "proposed API"
2019-02-10 23:06:41	lukelau	alanz: I just ran into an issue with https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1080, I had moved Brittany over to IdeM from IdeGhcM by using the LSP VFS instead of ghc-mod withMappedFile for a speed boost, but then I realised that this no longer works with the JSON transport since it has no VFS
2019-02-10 23:06:54	lukelau	And thus the unit tests failed as well since they use the traditional command format
2019-02-10 23:07:32	lukelau	Would be worthwhile looking at deprecating/removing the JSON transport at some point?
2019-02-10 23:08:08	lukelau	It would be nice to unify everything into LSP-land so we can do specific optimisations like this
2019-02-10 23:10:41	wz1000	I don't think anyone is using the json transport anyway
2019-02-10 23:11:51	@alanz	lukelau, from my perspective it can/should go
2019-02-10 23:12:13	@alanz	it has been dormant for a long time, and is just making our architecture complicated
2019-02-10 23:12:47	@alanz	I suggest we tag master, or make a specific branch called last-json-stdio, and then kill it
2019-02-10 23:13:01	@alanz	arrowd, arrowsvc ^^^
2019-02-10 23:13:41	lukelau	I would be more than happy to create a PR to begin pulling it all out
2019-02-10 23:14:06	lukelau	And start moving towards the plugin lsp/provider architecture
2019-02-10 23:17:51	arrowsvc	Meh
2019-02-10 23:18:53	@alanz	arrowsvc, are you still wanting to use that API?
2019-02-10 23:20:15	arrowsvc	Wanting - yes. But if this gets in your way you'd better to get rid of it, because I have no ETA when I get back to this.
2019-02-10 23:21:47	@alanz	ok, thanks.
2019-02-10 23:22:08	@alanz	Sorry, but we are paying a big tax on it, for something that may or may not turn out useful some time
2019-02-10 23:24:15	mpickering	alanz: wz1000: Go to definition works for the LSIF file I generated
2019-02-10 23:25:12	@alanz	nice
2019-02-10 23:25:16	@alanz	in vscode?
2019-02-10 23:25:29	mpickering	yes
2019-02-10 23:25:33	@alanz	great
2019-02-10 23:25:40	mpickering	and I had to rename the file to .js lol
2019-02-10 23:25:52	mpickering	as the lsif language server only runs on .js files
2019-02-10 23:27:07	mpickering	It's not in a very good state to try yet and I have to go now
2019-02-10 23:27:28	@alanz	well, proof of concept is the thing
2019-02-10 23:27:41	@alanz	shows the approach is viable
2019-02-10 23:29:14	lukelau	exciting stuff :)
2019-02-10 23:30:44	lukelau	days since tests randomly started failing because of .ghc.environment file: 0
2019-02-10 23:33:31	@alanz	ah, yes. aren't they lovely
2019-02-10 23:34:18	@alanz	I deleted one at the top level of my ghc-exactprint repo, and when I ran a compiled exe it was talking about loading one from somewhere in the bowels of dist-newstyle
2019-02-10 23:34:24	@alanz	those things are tenacious
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2019-02-11 04:03:29	mpickering	It's a bit disappointing that LSIF has no concept of a symbol
2019-02-11 04:03:40	mpickering	as it means you can't search for a symbol like a tags file
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2019-02-11 10:07:39	wz1000	mpickering: see the workspace symbols/document symbols request in LSP
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2019-02-12 04:32:31	lukelau	Does anyone know what’s going on with these jobs erroring and then restarting? https://circleci.com/gh/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/3647
2019-02-12 04:32:35	lukelau	"There was an issue while running this container and it was rerun. The most recent run is shown."
2019-02-12 04:32:40	lukelau	I’m starting to see them quite often now
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2019-02-12 13:27:21	arrowd	alanz: I take it, build plugin is also not used by anyone, since it is not exported by that LSP machinery?
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2019-02-12 16:23:48	Unode	lukelau_, alanz thanks for the feedback the other day. I ended up doing exactly that, killing hie. But doing it manually so not the greatest user-experience. Made me want to have a kill button on vscode to restart hie on demand.
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2019-02-13 04:04:48	lukelau_	Unode: HIE should crash in those situations instead of dying silently, which should then in turn cause VS code to automatically ressurect it. But I think its catching/swallowing some errors that it should die on instead
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2019-02-13 14:22:50	Unode	lukelau_: Doesn't seem to be dying but I take it you guys are getting the remaining corner cases covered.
2019-02-13 14:24:02	Unode	having HIE as-is is already a major help so cheers for that work.
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2019-02-13 20:46:41	wz1000	mpickering: ping
2019-02-13 21:02:03	mpickering	wz1000: hello
2019-02-13 21:15:21	wz1000	mpickering: so, I'm trying to do the haskell-lsp lsif thing, but can't think of a good way to accomplish it without defining a bunch of aeson parsers manually
2019-02-13 21:16:34	mpickering	wz1000: What's the problem exactly?
2019-02-13 21:17:23	mpickering	I didn't think there were too many types though, 10-15 maybe?
2019-02-13 21:17:46	mpickering	I implemented quite a few functions to generate them, you could build the parsers compositionally as well
2019-02-13 21:17:48	wz1000	everything is an Element { id :: Id, type :: (Vertex | Edge) }. If the label is a vertex, then the element also has an additional field (label :: VertexLabel),
2019-02-13 21:18:08	wz1000	depending on the label, the element has even more fields
2019-02-13 21:18:14	mpickering	ok, so you can have a parser for the first bit and then case on the type and then the label and so on
2019-02-13 21:18:37	mpickering	or a function which accepts a continuation about how to parse the additional parts
2019-02-13 21:21:25	wz1000	yes, but how would the haskell types look type? data Element = Element { id :: Id, type :: ElementType } won't work because you want to inspect the element to discover if it is a vertex or and edge, and then have acess to the extra fields
2019-02-13 21:22:01	wz1000	so you end up with something like Element = Element { id :: Id, contents :: VertexOrEdge }
2019-02-13 21:22:42	mpickering	can I just ask another question here
2019-02-13 21:22:47	mpickering	why do we need to read this information at all?
2019-02-13 21:23:17	wz1000	we want to write it, no?
2019-02-13 21:23:29	mpickering	yes but why do we need to read it?
2019-02-13 21:24:10	wz1000	not immediately, but if someone wants to write a lsif client using haskell-lsp
2019-02-13 21:24:18	wz1000	like the proposed lsif -> html thing
2019-02-13 21:24:23	mpickering	if this is such a problem, we can use a shallow embedding with combinators which directly construct the JSON objects
2019-02-13 21:24:28	mpickering	(which is what I was doing so far)
2019-02-13 21:25:13	mpickering	otherwise I wouldn't worry about making it too typed to start with
2019-02-13 21:25:23	wz1000	that would work for now.
2019-02-13 21:25:43	mpickering	but the representation you describe sounds fine
2019-02-13 21:25:54	mpickering	but you probably want to add a type index to `Element`
2019-02-13 21:26:09	mpickering	Then `ElementType a` as well
2019-02-13 21:26:51	wz1000	the problem with that is that if we recieve an element over the wire, we don't know if it is a vertex or an edge
2019-02-13 21:27:13	wz1000	so we need something like SomeElement = (Sing a) (Element a)
2019-02-13 21:27:24	wz1000	and so on for all the types
2019-02-13 21:28:30	wz1000	the only way of making it "untyped" while still not working with aeson Values would be a massive record with all the possible fields
2019-02-13 21:28:44	mpickering	ye this is annoying
2019-02-13 21:28:55	mpickering	I vote for making it really simple and untyped
2019-02-13 21:29:01	mpickering	then working out how to make it better if necessary
2019-02-13 21:29:33	wz1000	the fundamental problem with it is that the JSON representation is completely flat, while the natural haskell way of representing things would be a bunch of nested types.
2019-02-13 21:29:49	wz1000	And aeson doesn't have the mechanisms to convert between these
2019-02-13 21:30:43	wz1000	so you have to write custom instances for almost everything
2019-02-13 21:32:17	mpickering	yes, perhaps worrying about reading it in isn't too important for now. Unless you have desire for that
2019-02-13 21:32:29	mpickering	My main goal is to get LSIF working with GHC's code base
2019-02-13 21:33:49	wz1000	maybe combinators that build Values is the way to go for now
2019-02-13 21:41:01	mpickering	That is what I have in my code already and it worked out well
2019-02-13 21:41:22	mpickering	They also deal well with generating unique names
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2019-02-14 00:32:10	wz1000	mpickering: what do you think of this approach? https://gist.github.com/wz1000/e3501c683f169e7baa4980372daa0547
2019-02-14 00:32:33	wz1000	it is essentially a big record that contains all the fields, but type safe.
2019-02-14 00:34:20	wz1000	and we get encoding/decoding for free with standard aeson magic.
2019-02-14 00:35:09	wz1000	provided appropriate instances for To/FromJSON (Sing (a :: k)) for all a in k
2019-02-14 00:50:34	mpickering	Looks fine to me
2019-02-14 00:50:43	mpickering	I think you should just implement the singletons yourself though
2019-02-14 00:50:47	mpickering	rather than import singletons
2019-02-14 00:51:04	mpickering	wz1000 ^
2019-02-14 00:52:37	wz1000	ok
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2019-02-14 02:06:18	wz1000	mpickering: does this look reasonable? https://gist.github.com/wz1000/c169c927639ed549a0540c5812ef8ff0
2019-02-14 02:07:52	mpickering	Yes if it works then should be nice. 
2019-02-14 02:08:51	mpickering	I'll spend a little time tomorrow on my part I think
2019-02-14 02:09:12	mpickering	Now you just need type synonyms for all the different possible bits
2019-02-14 02:09:15	mpickering	and will be nice to use
2019-02-14 02:15:41	wz1000	I should probably make a type family for the type of _result
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2019-02-14 14:16:02	mpickering	find references works now as well
2019-02-14 14:16:15	mpickering	after I got the in/out edges the right way around
2019-02-14 14:30:53	wz1000	mpickering: nice. How are you maintaining the references table? do you have to keep the entire table in memory, or can you write the information as you read .hie files?
2019-02-14 14:31:17	mpickering	LSIF is designed so you can emit it as you go
2019-02-14 14:31:40	mpickering	at the moment I just use a Writer but the plan is to replace that with a streaming output eventually
2019-02-14 14:31:58	mpickering	Do HIE files track module import/exports?
2019-02-14 14:32:06	mpickering	and do they record the command line information used to compile a module?
2019-02-14 14:33:58	mpickering	wz1000: Looks like no on both counts? It seems crucial to me to track import/exports properly to support LSIF
2019-02-14 14:34:09	mpickering	would be good to sneak that into 8.8
2019-02-14 14:35:02	mpickering	https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/indexFormat/specification.md#project-exports-and-external-imports
2019-02-14 14:39:12	mpickering	We need to generate something like `{ id: 76, type: "vertex", label: "document", uri: "file:///Users/dirkb/samples/node_modules/mobx/lib/types/observablemap.d.ts", languageId: "typescript" }`
2019-02-14 14:42:06	mpickering	so you need to specify a URI for each  document
2019-02-14 14:42:27	mpickering	I suppose for external dependencies, that depends where the file comes from, if it's a hackage dependency then it should a URL
2019-02-14 14:42:41	mpickering	for local files we should use file://
2019-02-14 14:45:44	mpickering	but somehow we need to make sure that we know whether to reference file:// or url://
2019-02-14 14:47:06	mpickering	I still don't really get how you're meant to distribute 1 lsif.json file per project
2019-02-14 14:47:16	mpickering	and import it from other projects which depend on it
2019-02-14 14:52:56	wz1000	mpickering: no. by tracking, you mean that for every symbol in the source, how was it imported?
2019-02-14 14:53:14	mpickering	Well if you look at the LSIF spec
2019-02-14 14:53:31	mpickering	you need to says which references are exported by a module
2019-02-14 14:53:35	mpickering	and which ones are imported
2019-02-14 14:54:35	wz1000	exports can be computed easily. Either by looking at the .hi file, or looking at the explicit exports of the module(if any).
2019-02-14 14:54:49	wz1000	maybe not, because we have wildcards (..)
2019-02-14 14:54:58	mpickering	that's all resolved by the compiler already
2019-02-14 14:55:03	mpickering	exports I believe are easy to sort out
2019-02-14 14:55:08	wz1000	yeah.
2019-02-14 14:55:17	mpickering	see `tcg_exports`
2019-02-14 14:55:26	mpickering	also imports, see `tcg_imports`
2019-02-14 14:56:44	mpickering	I need to resolve this confusion I have about this snippet though
2019-02-14 14:56:47	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/CAzF95k2/
2019-02-14 14:57:05	mpickering	See on the first line here in `id: 76`, the `uri` is a link to a specific file
2019-02-14 14:57:45	wz1000	hmm
2019-02-14 14:57:46	mpickering	What is that `uri` used for? 
2019-02-14 14:58:11	wz1000	there are no incoming links?
2019-02-14 14:58:43	mpickering	err no that's really strange
2019-02-14 14:58:57	mpickering	I wish I could just ask Dirk all these questions. I find the spec quite hard to understand still
2019-02-14 14:59:45	wz1000	here's what I have so far btw: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/6247734d91fc91d7677040d9b29d4c76
2019-02-14 15:01:12	mpickering	Looks good, will be able to slot what I have in nicely with this
2019-02-14 15:02:47	mpickering	I think we need to sort out this import/export thing quite quickly though 
2019-02-14 15:03:18	wz1000	I have my typeclass evidence thing pending too.
2019-02-14 15:03:43	wz1000	I have all the information, just need to figure out how to represent/serialize it
2019-02-14 15:05:49	mpickering	I'm looking at the typescript emitter and they deal with external dependencies in a different way
2019-02-14 15:05:53	mpickering	kind: 'external' is attached to the document
2019-02-14 15:05:59	mpickering	Is that in your file?
2019-02-14 15:07:16	wz1000	this? https://gist.github.com/wz1000/6247734d91fc91d7677040d9b29d4c76#file-lsifelem-hs-L85
2019-02-14 15:07:44	mpickering	yes I'm looking here
2019-02-14 15:07:44	mpickering	https://github.com/Microsoft/lsif-typescript/blob/bc32719585c7ca374f7259a14db1cde5bb2981df/tsc-lsif/src/lsif.ts#L1385
2019-02-14 15:08:41	wz1000	oh, that's part of AdditionalData in the spec, which is just defined as a bunch of key value pairs
2019-02-14 15:08:55	wz1000	see https://gist.github.com/wz1000/6247734d91fc91d7677040d9b29d4c76#file-lsifelem-hs-L91
2019-02-14 15:09:27	mpickering	Typo there btw
2019-02-14 15:09:29	mpickering	ok
2019-02-14 15:09:32	mpickering	so then how is that used?
2019-02-14 15:10:57	wz1000	I don't know, the only way to find out is to read the extension source
2019-02-14 15:12:12	mpickering	ok so it's like an intermediate state which is not read by lsif in the end I think
2019-02-14 15:12:34	mpickering	They postprocess the JSON they generate - https://github.com/Microsoft/lsif-typescript/blob/bc32719585c7ca374f7259a14db1cde5bb2981df/npm-lsif/src/main.ts
2019-02-14 15:13:16	wz1000	hmm they have a linker step...
2019-02-14 15:14:28	mpickering	but I don't think we should need that
2019-02-14 15:21:44	wz1000	mpickering: btw, should I use () or Void to zero-out a field?
2019-02-14 15:21:59	mpickering	(), you'll find that if you use Void then it won't work
2019-02-14 15:22:16	wz1000	Why? The fields aren't strict.
2019-02-14 15:23:29	wz1000	which means that with Void i don't have to initialize the zero fields. And it is "safe" because you can't force it by pattern matching.
2019-02-14 15:23:53	mpickering	There are no values of (Void, Int) other than bottom..
2019-02-14 15:24:05	wz1000	(undefined,1)
2019-02-14 15:24:21	mpickering	why would you do that rather than use ()?
2019-02-14 15:24:26	wz1000	and the undefined is not easy to force unless you are asking for it
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2019-02-14 15:24:58	wz1000	like I said, so I don't have to initialize the fields during record construction
2019-02-14 15:25:48	wz1000	maybe () and a bunch of helper functions to initialize records is the way to go
2019-02-14 15:59:02	mpickering	I made an issue about this now. We must be the first people to try to implement this as I can't see how to understand it.
2019-02-14 16:09:16	mpickering	https://ghc.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/16317#ticket
2019-02-14 16:09:35	mpickering	https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues/680
2019-02-14 16:12:00	mpickering	wz1000: In that example I think the third line is just a cut and paste error
2019-02-14 16:12:05	mpickering	the one with the import
2019-02-14 16:32:05	mpickering	the `nameStableString` function will be useful I think
2019-02-14 16:32:16	mpickering	I'm thinking now we don't need to track imports
2019-02-14 16:32:22	mpickering	as that can be worked out from the `Name`s
2019-02-14 16:32:29	mpickering	by looking at the `NameSort`
2019-02-14 16:44:44	wz1000	mpickering: keep in mind that the NameSort contains the original module the symbol was defined in, which might not be the module it is imported from
2019-02-14 16:45:35	wz1000	also, I don't think nameStableString will work for Internal Names
2019-02-14 16:46:19	wz1000	well, it will, but it wont disambiguate between names with the same OccName
2019-02-14 17:08:36	mpickering	the uniques will be different though
2019-02-14 17:08:37	mpickering	?
2019-02-14 17:08:48	mpickering	and you surely want the module it was defined in
2019-02-14 17:08:53	mpickering	if you want to peek at the definition
2019-02-14 17:15:01	mpickering	I tried to get imports/exports working but it's just too vague. So many questions 
2019-02-14 17:16:16	wz1000	mpickering: but nameStableString doesn't include uniques
2019-02-14 17:16:36	mpickering	right but I am just using it for import/export things
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2019-02-14 22:48:08	mpickering	wz1000: I'm beginning to think that cross-project references are not supported yet by the language server they have implemented
2019-02-14 22:48:21	mpickering	and I think you're meant to make one big lsif.json file for an entire project
2019-02-14 22:49:16	mpickering	In that case I will stop worrying about imports and exports for now and try to make references work properly in all cases. Then try to integrate just the references part into GHC
2019-02-14 23:02:43	wz1000	ok. I should have ToJSON instances ready by tomorrow. FromJSON is left to whoever actually needs it. I've experimented a bit to be satisfied that they are possible, though quite annoying to write.
2019-02-14 23:19:56	mpickering	I'm also a bit worried that you have to provide absolute paths to the files and the language server client requests absolute paths from the server
2019-02-14 23:20:00	mpickering	is this a problem with normal LSP?
2019-02-14 23:28:35	wz1000	not really. vscode sucks with paths though. 
2019-02-14 23:28:51	wz1000	It can't handle symlinks at all
2019-02-14 23:29:49	wz1000	so if you have the same file as foo/bar and baz/quux, vscode will treat it like two separate files
2019-02-14 23:31:32	wz1000	which means that when HIE calls canonicalizePath on the path of an open file and gives it to vscode, vscode opens it as a new file, in a new tab, with none of the unsaved changes of the open file
2019-02-14 23:31:47	mpickering	hmm
2019-02-14 23:32:04	mpickering	What I am worried about is how is it possible to distribute these lsif files if they have hardcoded paths everywhere
2019-02-14 23:33:38	wz1000	i saw a vscode gif where they use lsif for files dynamically fetched from github. I wonder how that works 
2019-02-14 23:35:54	wz1000	https://code.visualstudio.com/blogs/2018/12/04/rich-navigation
2019-02-14 23:41:37	wz1000	this issue tracker seems to be more active: https://github.com/Microsoft/lsif-typescript/labels/discussion
2019-02-14 23:45:19	wz1000	apparently dirk is on vacation: https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode-docs/issues/2391
2019-02-14 23:57:46	mpickering	ah ok, hopefully he can help once he gets back
2019-02-14 23:59:25	mpickering	perhaps if you get the chance you could have a look at the lsif-server to see what they do with import/export info
2019-02-14 23:59:34	mpickering	I had a look but it seemed like they were ignored to me
2019-02-15 00:06:24	wz1000	I don't see how the github example could work with absolute paths though.
2019-02-15 00:09:19	mpickering	They probably used URLs rather than filepaths
2019-02-15 00:09:25	mpickering	and it loaded the file from the URL
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2019-02-15 13:31:38	mpickering	I think it's quite cool that the hlint refactoring stuff I implemented still works today even though I haven't worked on it more than once per GHC release
2019-02-15 13:31:54	mpickering	That's a large part down to alanz I think
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2019-02-15 14:08:58	@alanz	mpickering, nice to hear. And thanks.
2019-02-15 14:09:32	@alanz	And I want to move ghc-exactprint into GHC some time soon, so maintenance is easier, coming along as the AST changes
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2019-02-15 14:12:58	mpickering	If you do that, can you also remove all the useless comments in the source about API annotations :) ?
2019-02-15 14:22:30	@alanz	yes, and I am hoping that they will go away completely, becoming part of an alternate ParsedSource, using a TTG variant to store the info directly
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2019-02-15 14:26:08	mpickering	wz1000: HIE files also don't include information about the module they came from
2019-02-15 14:31:56	mpickering	Also how is that partial pattern match on the result of `ml_hs_file $ ms_location` safe in `mkHieFile`?? Needs a comment badly
2019-02-15 14:41:39	mpickering	OH apparently exports are already in the AST
2019-02-15 14:43:15	mpickering	but there is no way to tell the difference between module Foo() where and module Foo where I think
2019-02-15 15:48:07	mpickering	wz1000: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/372
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2019-02-16 04:37:26	pawel_s	I'm trying to debug the plugin. I don't see any output from JSON Language Server. Is this normal?
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2019-02-16 13:55:28	wz1000	mpickering: it might be a good idea to save info about exported instances also
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2019-02-16 14:53:01	mpickering	wz1000: that can be added when you add your other stuff to do with instances? 
2019-02-16 14:53:26	mpickering	Also reply to my Pm please
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2019-02-16 15:21:46	wz1000	mpickering: I did. Did you send a PM recently?
2019-02-16 15:22:12	mpickering	I sent it again
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2019-02-17 16:45:19	mpickering	for some reason vscode doesn't like my lsif file today
2019-02-17 16:45:36	mpickering	and there is no debug output from the language server
2019-02-17 16:50:09	mpickering	wtf
2019-02-17 16:50:14	mpickering	now I restarted vscode and it wors
2019-02-17 16:50:16	mpickering	*works
2019-02-17 16:50:28	mpickering	Seems like they perhaps don't track when the lsif.json file changes yet
2019-02-17 16:52:13	mpickering	I think I was getting unstuck by some vscode caching somewhere
2019-02-17 17:44:15	mpickering	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3gko4mbH/Screen%20Shot%202019-02-17%20at%2011.54.49.png
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2019-02-17 23:15:51	mpickering	lol when I format this LSIF file, it's 23000 lines long
2019-02-17 23:15:54	mpickering	the module is only 100 lines
2019-02-17 23:19:01	mpickering	probably because I unflatten the type index array
2019-02-17 23:19:04	mpickering	which was pointless
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2019-02-18 13:23:06	mpickering	alanz: Do you know what the difference between a definition, declaration, type definition and implementation are?
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2019-02-18 13:44:58	wz1000	mpickering: f :: Int -> Int; f x = x + 1; the first line is a declaration, second is a definition
2019-02-18 13:45:57	wz1000	data Foo = Bar; x = Bar; the type definition of x is the preceeding line
2019-02-18 13:46:28	wz1000	and implementation would be for type classes
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2019-02-19 04:49:59	lukelau_	alanz: Do you know if packages installed via apt on debian get picked up by ghc-mod? 
2019-02-19 04:50:45	lukelau_	A friend of mine is asking since they installed text-format via aptitude (??? didn’t realise you could even do that) and it’s getting picked up in ghci, but is missing in ghc-mod/HIE
2019-02-19 04:50:52	lukelau_	When using a single project-less file
2019-02-19 04:51:10	lukelau_	dxld: ^
2019-02-19 04:51:45	 *	basilc is said friend o/
2019-02-19 04:52:40	basilc	lukelau_: debian packages haskell packages as libghc-foo-{dev,doc,prof}
2019-02-19 04:53:30	basilc	i'm guessing installing them means registering them with ghc-pkg so that ghc{,i} can pick them up
2019-02-19 04:54:09	lukelau_	basilc: Does ghc-pkg list show text-format?
2019-02-19 04:54:18	lukelau_	* `ghc-pkg list`
2019-02-19 04:54:23	basilc	yup
2019-02-19 04:57:41	lukelau_	Can you also dump the stderr log when running HIE/ghc-mod with --vomit?
2019-02-19 04:57:55	lukelau_	It gives hints as to what package environment its using
2019-02-19 04:58:41	lukelau_	Hopefully it should looks similar to this https://gist.github.com/bubba/2375e0b63f7d17c3def44f4ed9998e13
2019-02-19 05:09:15	basilc	sure, one sec
2019-02-19 05:09:25	basilc	lukelau_: what does 'ghc-mod debug' tell you?
2019-02-19 05:11:00	lukelau_	https://gist.github.com/bubba/2375e0b63f7d17c3def44f4ed9998e13
2019-02-19 05:12:56	basilc	lukelau_: https://gist.github.com/basil-conto/c54a90f4febf5689c4615b37fb310e62
2019-02-19 05:13:48	basilc	i don't have any environments under ~/.ghc
2019-02-19 05:20:19	 *	basilc updated the gist with a 'hie-wrapper --debug --vomit' stderr log
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2019-02-19 14:52:39	mpickering	I just wouldn't use debian to manage Haskell packages, seems like nothing good can come of that
2019-02-19 14:53:02	mpickering	Seems like I need to implement a "FileProvider" for hackage https://code.visualstudio.com/api/references/vscode-api#FileSystemProvider
2019-02-19 15:00:23	wz1000	mpickering: lsif Documents have a "content" field. Can't you just dump the contents of the file(which can be recovered from the .hie files) in there?
2019-02-19 15:01:04	mpickering	Can you explain more?
2019-02-19 15:01:16	mpickering	I am thinking of how to distribute LSIF files
2019-02-19 15:01:44	mpickering	dumping the contents of any file seems bad though, why not just link to it?
2019-02-19 15:04:29	wz1000	see https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode-lsif-extension/blob/master/server/src/protocol.ts#L360
2019-02-19 15:04:59	mpickering	I know it's possible but I don't  think that is used with the current LSIF server
2019-02-19 15:05:15	mpickering	and I don't think it's meant to be used for external projects
2019-02-19 15:05:41	wz1000	for any file for which the original file isn't available(like dependencies installed with cabal), we can use that field.
2019-02-19 15:06:19	mpickering	ok so let's be precise here about how this should be set up
2019-02-19 15:07:39	mpickering	When you specify an import from an external package, you have to give the URI of that file right? 
2019-02-19 15:07:41	mpickering	`{ id: 76, type: "vertex", label: "document", uri: "file:///Users/dirkb/samples/node_modules/mobx/lib/types/observablemap.d.ts", languageId: "typescript" }`
2019-02-19 15:08:08	mpickering	If you give the contents what is the URI used for?
2019-02-19 15:08:23	mpickering	I am saying that for an external dependency the uri should be `hackage://foo/bar`
2019-02-19 15:08:32	mpickering	you say we should put the file in the `contents` attribute
2019-02-19 15:09:34	mpickering	At the moment, the sample LSIF server they has does nothing with the contents
2019-02-19 15:09:39	mpickering	and it also does nothing with exports/imports
2019-02-19 15:09:44	mpickering	which I think is why I am getting so confused
2019-02-19 15:09:47	mpickering	https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode-lsif-extension/blob/b2d8c36c685875572c97e535fe9eb9ac050be803/server/src/lsifDatabase.ts
2019-02-19 15:09:51	mpickering	CTRL + F "contents"
2019-02-19 15:15:27	wz1000	I guess all that isn't implemented yet. https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/indexFormat/specification.md#project-exports-and-external-imports
2019-02-19 15:16:24	mpickering	right, but, I don't know how the two LSIF files should be combined together either
2019-02-19 15:17:03	mpickering	when there is an import, the LSIF file needs to be read from somewhere else, inferred from the URI?
2019-02-19 15:22:08	wz1000	and we need to spin up a new server to serve that LSIF file?
2019-02-19 15:22:25	mpickering	the standard LSIF server should be able to serve  it still
2019-02-19 15:22:43	mpickering	if generalised appropiately
2019-02-19 15:23:16	wz1000	so the server needs to somehow know which uri maps to which lsif file
2019-02-19 15:23:53	mpickering	The server takes a URI basically and just looks it up in a map
2019-02-19 15:24:08	mpickering	So I think if you add support for loading lsif files from imports as well
2019-02-19 15:24:12	mpickering	then it would work straight away
2019-02-19 15:24:17	wz1000	and something like HIE also needs to forward some requests to an lsif server.
2019-02-19 15:24:45	mpickering	because it would hopefully start making requests to `hackage://foo/bar` rather than `file://` once you jump to definition in a `hackage://` file
2019-02-19 15:25:15	wz1000	how would references work across LSIF files?
2019-02-19 15:25:35	mpickering	That's the point of the `imports/exports` bit I think
2019-02-19 15:25:38	mpickering	which isn't implemented yet
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2019-02-20 00:55:48	mpickering	Someone from microsoft asked me if I wanted to chat about LSIF
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2019-02-22 14:17:51	mpickering	.lsif file for lens is 38MB but works perfectly
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2019-02-22 15:31:28	mpickering	LSIF + GHC https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/WRQXa5Gj/ghc.png https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/O2hurbMS/ghc-peek.png
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2019-02-22 21:14:53	wz1000	mpickering: neat.
2019-02-22 21:18:16	wz1000	I have had midsems this week and the next, so I'm behind on my end.
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2019-02-22 21:40:47	mpickering	wz1000: Do you know how language servers deal with people editing documents?
2019-02-22 21:41:01	mpickering	At the moment if I press enter once, then the hovers are all in the wrong place
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2019-02-22 21:42:11	mpickering	do you completely reload the file on every change?
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2019-02-22 21:49:21	wz1000	mpickering: I put in a ad-hoc solution for that in haskell-ide-engine
2019-02-22 21:49:42	wz1000	We get change events from LSP
2019-02-22 21:50:28	wz1000	so using that HIE maintains two functions newPositionToOld, oldPositionToNew :: Position -> Maybe Position
2019-02-22 21:51:32	wz1000	that co-relate positions between the version of the file that HIE has info for, and the recently changed version of the file.
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2019-02-22 21:52:33	wz1000	So using that, we move all the positions we return over to their corresponding new position
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2019-02-22 21:54:37	wz1000	edkmett might have a better solution for this in his coda stuff.
2019-02-22 21:56:17	mpickering	sounds like a good solution to me
2019-02-22 21:56:35	mpickering	but I thought other language server implementors would have run into the same problem
2019-02-22 21:56:42	mpickering	so there would be a canonical way to deal with it
2019-02-22 21:57:15	wz1000	eventully, we want to use something like diffs to generate the correlations instead of lsp change events(which might not exist or be granular enough).
2019-02-22 21:57:52	wz1000	Any such canonical thing would have to live in the editor.
2019-02-22 21:58:02	wz1000	which would actually be nice to have
2019-02-22 21:58:22	mpickering	right, do other language servers reload on literally every change?
2019-02-22 21:58:27	wz1000	Editors usually maintain a list of changes for undo history anyway.
2019-02-22 21:59:04	mpickering	how hard was this to implement properly in HIE?
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2019-02-22 22:01:27	wz1000	I think many do. You can configure most of them(including hie) to reload on save instead.
2019-02-22 22:01:33	wz1000	mpickering: see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs#L268
2019-02-22 22:02:21	mpickering	I suppose the real question is, do I want to implement this in typescript lol
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2019-02-23 19:58:04	mpickering	wz1000: Do you know how to get vscode to send the textDocument/didChange event?
2019-02-23 19:59:10	mpickering	I see, textDocumentSync: TextDocumentSyncKind.Incremental,
2019-02-23 19:59:11	mpickering	may thanks
2019-02-23 19:59:16	mpickering	*many thanks
2019-02-23 20:00:15	mpickering	vscode makes editing typescript really nice 
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2019-02-23 21:53:35	wz1000	mpickering: how does the typescript lsif thing handle this?
2019-02-23 21:59:33	mpickering	It didn't until I ported your code over today
2019-02-23 22:04:25	wz1000	does typescript have kliesli composition for optionals available, or did you have to define that yourself?
2019-02-23 22:05:41	mpickering	I didn't understand the point of the Maybe
2019-02-23 22:05:48	mpickering	so I didn't use it
2019-02-23 22:05:55	mpickering	and also why do you have both directions?
2019-02-23 22:06:02	mpickering	I thought I only needed to implement one direction
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2019-02-23 22:07:43	wz1000	mpickering: what do you do if something is deleted?
2019-02-23 22:08:05	mpickering	I just copied your code and removed bits I didn't understand
2019-02-23 22:08:16	mpickering	so whatever you do, minus the bits I don't understand :)
2019-02-23 22:08:56	wz1000	the functions return Nothing if text has been deleted.
2019-02-23 22:09:19	wz1000	or inserted(for newToOld)
2019-02-23 22:09:24	mpickering	ok, why does it do that?
2019-02-23 22:09:51	mpickering	If I delete a line then the reference can still be resolved
2019-02-23 22:13:27	wz1000	Its needed in both directions because we get hover requests for positions in the new document, which we need to turn into positions in the old document that we lookup information for by searching the ast.
2019-02-23 22:14:26	wz1000	if text is newly inserted, there is no corresponding position in the old document, so what do you return?
2019-02-23 22:14:45	mpickering	oh I see, you mean if you hover over a newly inserted position?
2019-02-23 22:15:00	wz1000	yes
2019-02-23 22:15:08	mpickering	right you can't return anything
2019-02-23 22:15:21	mpickering	So I get why you want `newToOld`
2019-02-23 22:15:25	mpickering	but I don't get why you need `oldToNew`
2019-02-23 22:15:48	wz1000	the location of definitions changes.
2019-02-23 22:16:19	mpickering	ok I see now
2019-02-23 22:16:29	wz1000	If a line is inserted in the middle, you want to move the definitions of everything below down a line
2019-02-23 22:16:38	mpickering	yes I see now
2019-02-23 22:16:47	mpickering	right that's useful
2019-02-23 22:16:56	mpickering	the internet however is less useful in telling me how to define a Maybe in typescript
2019-02-23 22:17:19	wz1000	I think a ? and the end of the type should work
2019-02-23 22:17:36	mpickering	btw why do you store two different functions rather than just one parametrised function?
2019-02-23 22:17:36	wz1000	I have no idea how to construct/destruct it though.
2019-02-23 22:18:22	mpickering	what does the ? do?
2019-02-23 22:18:35	wz1000	mpickering: they compose in opposite ways. https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs#L262
2019-02-23 22:18:47	mpickering	oh good point
2019-02-23 22:19:18	wz1000	it turns a type into an optional IIRC. int? is Maybe Int
2019-02-23 22:19:29	wz1000	or something like that. I might be totally wrong.
2019-02-23 22:19:35	mpickering	but what precisely does that mean?
2019-02-23 22:19:43	mpickering	it means that it's allowed to be null?
2019-02-23 22:20:09	wz1000	something like that, I don't know enough typescript.
2019-02-23 22:20:43	mpickering	you will laugh when you see my typescript code
2019-02-23 22:21:08	mpickering	The function starts by let binding all the variables in the pattern match
2019-02-23 22:21:11	mpickering	it's beautiful
2019-02-23 22:24:15	wz1000	are you going to submit this upstream?
2019-02-23 22:24:43	mpickering	yes
2019-02-23 22:24:51	mpickering	With a comment saying, I copied this from Zubin
2019-02-23 22:24:58	wz1000	Because I think it might be a good idea for LSP to delegate this to clients.
2019-02-23 22:25:16	mpickering	what do you mean?
2019-02-23 22:26:27	wz1000	Server informs the client of the version of the file it has. Client then sends and displays information with respect to that version of the file.
2019-02-23 22:26:39	wz1000	(the versioning of documents is already built into LSP)
2019-02-23 22:27:00	mpickering	so this mapping happens in vscode rather than on the language server?
2019-02-23 22:27:54	wz1000	yes. because clients usually maintain edit history as well, it is more natural on the client side.
2019-02-23 22:36:29	wz1000	btw, if you are crediting me, credit lukelau_ as well. My version worked with a line level granularity. i.e. if you changed a singe char in a line, the functions would return Nothing for every position in the line.
2019-02-23 22:37:29	wz1000	he extended it to have character level granularity
2019-02-24 00:09:39	mpickering	it works now, beautiful
2019-02-24 00:28:26	mpickering	I think typescript is worse than javascript
2019-02-24 00:28:33	mpickering	the type system is confusing me a lot
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2019-02-24 00:42:19	wz1000	why? atleast you have some idea what a function expects/returns
2019-02-24 00:43:10	mpickering	The function returned a union of three types
2019-02-24 00:43:26	mpickering	then writing a function which consumes the union is so tedious
2019-02-24 00:43:33	mpickering	you have to write your own type guard function
2019-02-24 00:43:50	mpickering	then there's so much code to check for nulls
2019-02-24 00:43:58	mpickering	and manually arranging the null values
2019-02-24 00:51:55	wz1000	I saw a function that takes a union(string | number), but still has a `throw` for the case when the input is neither of those types. 
2019-02-24 00:52:15	wz1000	What is the point of type in this case? Is it purely documentation?
2019-02-24 00:52:29	mpickering	I think they get passed straight to the JSON serialisation
2019-02-24 00:52:39	mpickering	I will put my code up in a bit, nearly finished now
2019-02-24 00:54:13	wz1000	no, I mean in typescript in general. What is the point of a typescript union type if you still have to manually handle all cases. If I specify the signature of a function as (string | number), then I expect the input to be a string or a number.
2019-02-24 00:55:22	mpickering	oh you can use methods why have both in common
2019-02-24 00:55:30	mpickering	*they
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2019-02-24 17:43:40	mpickering	ok I just rewrote the LSIF generator so that only one HIE file is ever loaded into memory at once
2019-02-24 19:30:52	mpickering	wz1000: Do you know where in HIE the difference between cabal and stack projects is abstracted?
2019-02-24 19:45:27	@alanz	mpickering, it is managed in ghc-mod / cabal-helper
2019-02-24 19:45:33	mpickering	ah
2019-02-24 19:45:33	@alanz	hie does not (need to) know
2019-02-24 19:45:41	mpickering	so I would have to modify ghc-mod
2019-02-24 19:45:46	mpickering	that's the end of that idea then
2019-02-24 19:46:21	@alanz	yes, which is currently under rewrite, to work with the next gen cabal-helper, where most of the heavy lifting is in cabal-helper
2019-02-24 19:46:31	@alanz	around project config anyway
2019-02-24 19:46:35	mpickering	ghc-mod just seems like a massive liability to me
2019-02-24 19:47:21	@alanz	well, it does support all the various backends, and is at last under active development by dxld
2019-02-24 19:47:56	mpickering	I don't want to contribute to a GPLd project really 
2019-02-24 19:48:03	mpickering	so perhaps I will try to make my change to `hhp`
2019-02-24 19:48:15	mpickering	and then see if it's possible to patch HIE to use that instead optionally
2019-02-24 19:50:48	mpickering	ah yes I should say, I was thinking of getting HIE working for GHC development properly
2019-02-24 19:50:57	mpickering	it occurred to me it might not be too hard
2019-02-24 19:59:58	@alanz	ok
2019-02-24 20:00:59	@alanz	FWIW I'm currently trying to narrow down the API into ghc-mod, to understand what we actually need from it
2019-02-24 20:06:25	mpickering	It seems to me a library of this kind should provide just the information about the necessary flags so that a correct GHC API session can be initialised to compile the project.
2019-02-24 20:06:34	mpickering	Once you have that you can read the interface files and you're good?
2019-02-24 20:08:42	mpickering	The HIE code is so clean btw, it must be amazing to work on 
2019-02-24 20:13:44	wz1000	mpickering: for the forall thing, I think ignoring it is Ok. All we care about is the binder introduced by that forall, which are catpured. This is for types that appear in the source, the ArgFlag is saved for the Type that comes from typechecking
2019-02-24 20:15:40	wz1000	We ignore a lot of detail about the precise contents of the AST. The encoding of Types as HieType otoh must not lose any information
2019-02-24 20:16:10	mpickering	ok that's fine then
2019-02-24 20:16:12	mpickering	just tell Ryan that
2019-02-24 20:16:52	mpickering	alanz: It also just occurred to me that these pesky .ghc-environment files are precisely the information that ghc needs to set up the correct session
2019-02-24 20:16:59	mpickering	did you think about trying to use those at all
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2019-02-24 20:38:34	@alanz	mpickering, they are only generated by cabal new-build, and are not component-specific
2019-02-24 20:45:44	mpickering	this goal of getting HIE working with GHC is the same as getting it working with bazel or obelisk as well
2019-02-24 20:45:50	mpickering	which are both mentioned on that ticket
2019-02-24 20:45:57	mpickering	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1053
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2019-02-24 21:33:34	lukelau_	mpickering: nice!
2019-02-24 21:49:06	wz1000	alanz: I accidently broke master. How do I revert my latest commit?
2019-02-24 21:49:14	wz1000	I wanted to push to my branch
2019-02-24 21:49:36	wz1000	it wont let me force push because the branch is protected
2019-02-24 21:53:30	mpickering	wz1000: Push a commit which reverts it
2019-02-24 21:54:08	mpickering	and then rename your remote to something other than origin :P
2019-02-24 21:55:24	wz1000	mpickering: how do I create a commit that reverts it without manually editing the files?
2019-02-24 21:55:30	mpickering	git revert
2019-02-24 21:58:16	wz1000	mpickering: thanks, that worked
2019-02-24 22:09:53	wz1000	lukelau_, alanz: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1103
2019-02-24 22:09:57	mpickering	ok so it seems sensible to add a hpp backend option instead of the ghc-mod one and I am fairly confident I can wrangle hpp in order to work with hadrian
2019-02-24 22:10:07	mpickering	so that's the plan
2019-02-24 22:10:54	@alanz	mpickering, I was thinking we should maybe make a backpack package for the BIOS
2019-02-24 22:11:13	@alanz	But I am not sure if we would be able to build with stack if that was the case
2019-02-24 22:11:36	mpickering	ah
2019-02-24 22:14:46	wz1000	mpickering: this is pretty much the only ghc-mod interface we use: https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/blob/8dbfdada9163ed93e37c67d2e9cec43c7d703d4b/core/GhcMod/ModuleLoader.hs
2019-02-24 22:15:14	wz1000	along with some file mapping stuff than can probably go away after my latest commit
2019-02-24 22:15:33	mpickering	what is it used for?
2019-02-24 22:15:55	wz1000	loading typechecked modules
2019-02-24 22:16:13	wz1000	s/commit/PR/g
2019-02-24 22:16:19	mpickering	and then what do you use typechecked modules for?
2019-02-24 22:16:32	wz1000	everything
2019-02-24 22:16:41	mpickering	where is this call in HIE?
2019-02-24 22:16:50	mpickering	I was just looking at the GhcMod plugin so far
2019-02-24 22:17:29	wz1000	setTypecheckedModule in the GhcMod Plugin
2019-02-24 22:17:39	mpickering	ok thanks
2019-02-24 22:18:18	mpickering	so forgive me if this is stupid but wouldn't another way to set up the correct session be for cabal to dump the GHC flags it wants to use to compile a module and then use those as the `DynFlags`?
2019-02-24 22:18:35	mpickering	why do all these tools try to read the cabal file and then work out what flags cabal must already have worked out
2019-02-24 22:19:09	lukelau_	wz1000: PR looks promising, will try it out locally
2019-02-24 22:22:34	wz1000	mpickering: I don't really know the details about all this, you might want to talk to dxld in #ghc-mod
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2019-02-25 00:36:30	mpickering	wz1000: So I looked at the hpp source and it does what I suggested (in part). 
2019-02-25 00:36:51	mpickering	part 1 of 3 will work
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2019-02-25 01:21:35	dxld	mpickering: re reading the cabal file: guess what ghc-mod-5.0+, after hpp's fork, started doing ;)
2019-02-25 01:36:22	mpickering	Yes it started reading the `setup-config` with `cabal-helper`.
2019-02-25 01:39:28	dxld	well, not immediately
2019-02-25 01:39:52	dxld	before that we were string searching in Cabal's setup-config when it was still `show`ed
2019-02-25 01:40:25	dxld	point is, people do it because its far, far easier than talking to Cabal
2019-02-25 01:44:18	mpickering	It's easier than adding one flag to cabal which gives you the arguments that it uses to compile a module?
2019-02-25 01:45:06	dxld	apparently.. I mean it's years later and we still don't have that :)
2019-02-25 01:45:31	dxld	IMO it's just not that easy
2019-02-25 01:47:04	dxld	"just" exposing that and then all problems magically go away
2019-02-25 01:53:12	dxld	but maybe I'm blinded by legacy stuff
2019-02-25 01:53:54	dxld	certainly if ghc-mod's one shot command mode wasn't in the picture I would have probably spent a lot more time on (ab)using `cabal repl` to get the ghc flags
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2019-02-25 15:49:49	mpickering	wz1000: alanz: How do I test HIE once I have made a change to it?
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2019-02-25 18:52:41	wz1000	mpickering: you can run the test suit, or you can install it and test it yourself`
2019-02-25 20:31:23	mpickering	I tried the test suite and most the tests failed because of missing dependencies
2019-02-25 20:31:37	mpickering	so if I use `cabal new-build` to build the binary then that should just work with vscode?
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2019-02-25 22:31:35	mpickering	I just need to do the HIE integration now
2019-02-25 22:31:58	mpickering	it takes quite a long time to load the whole of GHC using hpp so I'm not sure if it's broken or not doing anything
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2019-02-25 22:33:21	mpickering	I think I will need some help with this part..
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2019-02-25 23:39:24	mpickering	how do I enable the debugm messages?
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2019-02-25 23:53:05	mpickering	ok, it's not crashing now at least but I have no idea to verify if it worked or not
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2019-02-26 02:41:45	lukelau_	mpickering: what client are you using?
2019-02-26 02:42:05	lukelau_	Normally i just make sure to uninstall all other existing version of hie, run `stack install --fast` and then fire up vscode
2019-02-26 02:42:19	lukelau_	The debugm messages should appear in the output console in vs code
2019-02-26 02:42:34	lukelau_	Otherwise you can pass `hie -d -l /tmp/hie.log` to write it to a file
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2019-02-26 03:18:15	mpickering	vscode
2019-02-26 03:18:57	mpickering	lukelau_: It is using my version but only showing debug messages from within ghcmod
2019-02-26 03:19:36	mpickering	can I say to use -d from a vscode setting?
2019-02-26 03:19:44	lukelau_	I was just looking at that now
2019-02-26 03:19:50	mpickering	or do I need to write a wrapper
2019-02-26 03:19:50	lukelau_	Apparently not
2019-02-26 03:20:05	lukelau_	Maybe try using hPutStrLn stderr ?
2019-02-26 03:20:31	mpickering	ok. perhaps you can also tell me how to test if the setTypecheckedModule function is working?
2019-02-26 03:20:41	mpickering	what features should that enable?
2019-02-26 03:20:55	lukelau_	The main one is probably error diagnostics
2019-02-26 03:21:15	lukelau_	And the symbols list/jumping to definitions
2019-02-26 03:21:17	mpickering	ah I should turn that bit back on then :p
2019-02-26 03:21:36	lukelau_	You can turn it off? lol
2019-02-26 03:21:54	mpickering	yes by editing the code ;)
2019-02-26 03:22:12	mpickering	I change the backend from ghc-mod to my fork of hhp
2019-02-26 03:22:45	mpickering	so I didn’t deal with diagnostics yet.
2019-02-26 03:23:00	mpickering	How do I see if the symbols list is working?
2019-02-26 03:23:13	lukelau_	Pressing cmd+shift+o on mac
2019-02-26 03:23:40	lukelau_	Or in the outline window in the bottom of the navigation bar
2019-02-26 03:23:43	lukelau_	*panel
2019-02-26 03:23:55	mpickering	That is just a one module thing?
2019-02-26 03:23:57	lukelau_	I think docs on hover also require a typechecked module
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2019-02-26 03:24:14	lukelau	One module?
2019-02-26 03:25:00	mpickering	I don’t understand the model well yet. I don’t want to do any commands that will force the whole project to be loaded
2019-02-26 03:25:19	mpickering	I think docs hover is a haddock thing?
2019-02-26 03:25:47	mpickering	I disabled that as well as it seemed tied to cabal/stack projects
2019-02-26 03:28:13	lukelau	GhcMod/HIE only loads whatever files are opened on the client as far as I am aware
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2019-02-26 03:29:04	lukelau	Haddock uses some GhcMod monad stuff, I’m not sure if its reliant on the same GhcMod monad that IdeGhcM uses
2019-02-26 03:29:57	mpickering	ok. I have been trying to work out what exactly HIE uses from ghc-mod and it doesn’t seem like a lot. do you know who manages the cache?
2019-02-26 03:30:09	lukelau	HIE manages the cache
2019-02-26 03:30:26	lukelau	And anything that occurs in IdeGhcM runs in GhcMonad under the hood
2019-02-26 03:30:36	lukelau	GMMonad
2019-02-26 03:30:43	lukelau	Hold on let me check
2019-02-26 03:31:11	mpickering	my most recent errors were about the ghc mod session not being initialised
2019-02-26 03:31:23	lukelau	GhcMod.GhcModT sorry
2019-02-26 03:31:42	mpickering	Right but what’s the point of that?
2019-02-26 03:31:49	lukelau	Yeah a lot of plugins use IdeGhcM
2019-02-26 03:32:03	mpickering	I guess you use the GhcMod cradle?
2019-02-26 03:32:16	lukelau	Any plugin that needs access to the typechecked module/parsed module needs to get it from GhcMod
2019-02-26 03:32:19	lukelau	Yes
2019-02-26 03:32:32	mpickering	and then IdeGhcM is probably is mostly used to access functions from GHc
2019-02-26 03:32:39	lukelau	Pretty much
2019-02-26 03:32:56	mpickering	So does ghc-mod do anything other than find the cradle?
2019-02-26 03:32:58	lukelau	The cradle stuff is mostly handled in the alanz’s fork of ghc-mod
2019-02-26 03:33:07	lukelau	It does pretty much everything
2019-02-26 03:33:23	mpickering	well it doesn’t manage the cache
2019-02-26 03:33:32	lukelau	Apart from that
2019-02-26 03:33:45	mpickering	so is everything just finding the cradle and setting up a ghc session?
2019-02-26 03:33:54	lukelau	Yes
2019-02-26 03:34:02	lukelau	That’s the main thing
2019-02-26 03:34:22	lukelau	HIE hands it a URL to typecheck
2019-02-26 03:34:28	mpickering	why is there so much code then...
2019-02-26 03:34:30	lukelau	And ghc-mod spits back a typecheckedModule
2019-02-26 03:34:53	mpickering	ok.
2019-02-26 03:35:01	lukelau	Most of it is bookkeeping the cached modules
2019-02-26 03:35:16	mpickering	but you said HIE managed the cache?
2019-02-26 03:35:18	lukelau	There is a request system that plugins use to queue for the typecheckedModule
2019-02-26 03:35:27	lukelau	Oh sorry I read that as so much code in HIE
2019-02-26 03:35:32	mpickering	oh no
2019-02-26 03:36:21	mpickering	today I implemented my idea about how to set up cradles in a robust way and it worked with a few changes to hadrian.
2019-02-26 03:36:47	lukelau	dxld is probably the best person to ask about this
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2019-02-26 03:40:15	lukelau	From what I can recall GhcMod has a lot of logic for dealing with all the intricacies of cabal and package environments etc.
2019-02-26 03:40:15	lukelau	mpickering: is this in hpp?
2019-02-26 03:41:30	mpickering	well yes but I could delete a lot of the hpp code which deals with cabal and so on
2019-02-26 03:41:46	mpickering	As the model is that I request the flags from the build tool
2019-02-26 03:41:59	mpickering	and then use those to set up the cradle
2019-02-26 03:42:16	mpickering	cabal has support for this already, so does hadrian. obelisk.
2019-02-26 03:42:23	mpickering	bazel rules etc
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2019-02-26 06:06:04	dxld	mpickering: re "y u so much code": Basically ghc-mod has three parts: (1) talking to cabal-helper, (2) figuring out the src file<->cabal taget mapping and (3) managing the ghc session lifecycle, i.e. checking if DynFlag changes are significant enough to purge the session. (plus a bunch of caching everywhere obviously)
2019-02-26 06:06:30	dxld	sounds to me like you are replacing (1) without the other two
2019-02-26 06:09:27	dxld	FYI I actually talked to one of the hadrian devs at MuniHac last year (I think it was David from WellTyped) and we figured out a nice way to support ghc in cabal-helper
2019-02-26 06:10:30	dxld	unfortunately he seems to have had any time to actually implement the idea
2019-02-26 06:11:07	dxld	s/to have/not to have/
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2019-02-26 16:35:58	fendor	i am trying to run tests and get the following error message https://hastebin.com/axifohofay.bash regarding cabal-helper-wrapper
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2019-02-27 04:28:35	dxld	fenedor: that paste doesn't seem to contain anything (or it refuses to load for some reason), otherwise I'd have a look
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2019-02-27 14:53:16	panaeon	Hi, I've got a question about haskell-lsp. On edit document the vscode sends document uri with version, but on save it doesn't. I tried both Nothing and `Just 0` when version is not available, but it looks like haskell-lsp caches responses, and no matter what I do when I try to send empty diagnostics it just ignores the response. Any suggestions on what I might be doing wrong or how to solve this problem are highly apprec
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2019-02-27 15:24:32	mpickering	panaeon: Are you trying to write a plugin or something?
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2019-02-27 15:40:19	mpickering	Is there a reason to use the git@ rather than https remove?
2019-02-27 15:40:22	mpickering	*remote
2019-02-27 15:44:38	mpickering	You should explain how to make a fork and add a remote submission part
2019-02-27 15:44:45	mpickering	and remove the part about being able to access ghc/ghc
2019-02-27 15:44:48	mpickering	as newcomers won't be able to
2019-02-27 15:45:30	mpickering	Also I would remove the bit about validating
2019-02-27 15:45:38	mpickering	1. It uses the make build system
2019-02-27 15:45:52	mpickering	2. It's easy to shoot yourself in the foot
2019-02-27 15:46:03	mpickering	3. I never do that
2019-02-27 15:47:05	mpickering	can you add a link to the hadrian user settings docs as well
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2019-02-27 16:26:19	fendor	dxld, I describe it, the HarePlugin has an uncaught exception: LibexecNotFoundError, followed by the instructions how to set the $cabal_helper_libexecdir. I set it to some store path in `.cabal/store/`.
2019-02-27 16:28:14	mpickering	Is this blocking you fendor or just blocking you running the tests?
2019-02-27 16:29:58	fendor	i am not entirely sure, since i am on nixos, i have the packaged hie versions anyways. But I am also encountering the problem on windows and I am investigating why hie does not really work on windows atm.
2019-02-27 16:31:44	fendor	the question is, why does this error happen when running the tests, might this be the reason some stuff does not work and how should it work, should this variable be set by anyone?
2019-02-27 16:32:27	fendor	mpickering, currently, it does not seem to block me, since I set the path manually, is this something to be expected, or why does this happen?
2019-02-27 16:35:14	wz1000	fendor: what version of cabal-install are you running?
2019-02-27 16:35:58	fendor	wz1000, https://hastebin.com/iconesotah.sql
2019-02-27 16:36:59	fendor	wz1000, should be 2.4.1.0
2019-02-27 16:37:42	wz1000	hmm, this should have been fixed by this version
2019-02-27 16:38:13	wz1000	I don't know the details, alanz might know better
2019-02-27 16:38:56	mpickering	I also had this error btw on nixos
2019-02-27 16:39:31	fendor	maybe it is related to nixos? funnily enough, nix has a lot of problems with haskell :D 
2019-02-27 16:43:12	mpickering	Haskell tooling makes too many assumptions you mean ;)
2019-02-27 16:45:06	fendor	yeah that is what i actually mean
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2019-02-27 18:29:26	fendor	what function deserializes the json message such that the reactor in hie can dispatch on it?
2019-02-27 18:30:09	fendor	When I try to send a message of method `textDocument/typeDefinition` it is still deserialized to `ReqDefinition` instead `ReqTypeDefinition`
2019-02-27 18:39:32	fendor	found it, seems to be an error in haskell-lsp...
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2019-02-28 13:49:17	mpickering	alanz: What command are you trying to run to test ghc-exactprint?
2019-02-28 13:52:20	@alanz	I check out the ghc-8.8 branch, then run ./configure.sh
2019-02-28 13:52:24	@alanz	then cabal new-build
2019-02-28 13:52:42	@alanz	it should bring in hvr.head, and builds fine with master (and passes tests)
2019-02-28 13:52:46	@alanz	mpickering, ^^
2019-02-28 13:53:01	mpickering	thank you
2019-02-28 13:53:20	@alanz	updating ./configure for the actual compiler you have installed
2019-02-28 13:53:22	mpickering	I can download the artefact from your MR so it's easy to test
2019-02-28 13:53:28	@alanz	great
2019-02-28 13:53:49	@alanz	even though the build failed? cabalbackpack thing
2019-02-28 13:54:09	mpickering	yep
2019-02-28 13:54:48	@alanz	great
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2019-02-28 19:55:05	mpickering	alanz: 
2019-02-28 19:55:18	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/loGtcU8A/
2019-02-28 20:02:32	@alanz	mpickering, nice, I saw you and Ryan discussing the (non) updates of head.hackage
2019-02-28 20:02:36	@alanz	was that all it took?
2019-02-28 20:02:46	mpickering	I had to clone cabal-doctest and fix that
2019-02-28 20:03:24	@alanz	ok, so I can just use your upstream repo for that?
2019-02-28 20:04:33	mpickering	perhaps, not sure. I had to apply the same fix as in head.hackage but it didn't work
2019-02-28 20:08:22	mpickering	also I had to add a constraint on th-abstraction=0.2.10.0
2019-02-28 20:08:32	mpickering	as the patch is for that version rather than 0.2.11.0
2019-02-28 20:13:55	mpickering	I don't understand the failure though
2019-02-28 20:13:58	@alanz	ok. I will only be able to take a look in a couple of hours time
2019-02-28 20:14:13	mpickering	it seems that the diff of  Main.hs.hpp and Main.hs are identical
2019-02-28 20:14:34	@alanz	well, it checks the one before hpp
2019-02-28 20:14:47	@alanz	and that is a test that I added as part of hackage round trip
2019-02-28 20:15:08	@alanz	And it is one of the many cases where CPP changes the contents of a haskell comment, and then weird things happen
2019-02-28 20:15:13	@alanz	So it is bogus
2019-02-28 20:15:25	@alanz	and I need to remove it
2019-02-28 20:15:32	@alanz	And pour more hellfire onto CPP
2019-02-28 20:16:06	@alanz	added as a result of hackage round trip test, that is
2019-02-28 20:16:40	@alanz	mpickering, thanks for doing the smoke test on this, I am satisfied with what you got
2019-02-28 20:17:26	mpickering	perfect 👍
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2019-02-28 21:43:29	kmelvn	Anyone else having problems running `make build-all`? It says `truncated tar archive ...`
2019-02-28 21:43:58	kmelvn	Right after it starts 'Downloading the latest package list form hackage.haskell.org'
2019-02-28 21:56:45	mpickering	Sounds like cabal update is failing
2019-02-28 21:59:49	kmelvn	yup, that's the problem, `cabal update` fails with the same error
2019-02-28 21:59:58	kmelvn	I'm gonna nuke everything and try again :)
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2019-02-28 23:06:06	@alanz	kmelvn, I fixed that by blowing away the index/tar stuff on ~/.cabal/packages/hackage.haskell.org
2019-02-28 23:06:49	@alanz	or you could just blow away that directory as a whole, it gets re-created by a new-update
2019-02-28 23:24:44	kmelvn	it seems to be working now, after deleting everything... back to work :)
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2019-03-01 03:09:42	mpickering	Has anyone ever looked at modifying Haskell's debugger to work with the vscode debugger interface? https://code.visualstudio.com/api/extension-guides/debugger-extension
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2019-03-01 08:24:26	wz1000	mpickering: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/phoityne-vscode
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2019-03-01 13:04:58	mpickering	Interesting. I wonder why it only works with stack
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2019-03-01 13:37:29	@alanz	mpickering, because getting a tool to work with multiple build managers is *hard*
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2019-03-01 15:40:30	mpickering	I was wondering if they are using the ghci debugger
2019-03-01 15:41:07	mpickering	And the stack part was a detail or whether it was something intrinsic to stack they were using
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2019-03-01 16:21:20	@alanz	mpickering, iirc from when I last looked, phoityne basically wraps the ghci debug capability
2019-03-01 16:23:49	mpickering	wz1000: I was reading the source code for load and I think the current implementation will typecheck a module type still
2019-03-01 16:53:34	wz1000	mpickering: what do you mean?
2019-03-01 16:54:53	mpickering	You said that you changed the implementation so it doesn't type check a module twice when you call `load`? 
2019-03-01 16:55:08	mpickering	There's now this thing with a frontend hook? 
2019-03-01 17:01:24	wz1000	yes
2019-03-01 17:09:42	mpickering	But it looks to me that it does still typecheck a module twice
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2019-03-01 17:10:48	wz1000	how?
2019-03-01 17:11:04	wz1000	iirc, it replaces the regular ghc process for typechecking
2019-03-01 17:16:34	wz1000	mpickering: see https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-8.6.1/docs/src/HscMain.html#genericHscFrontend
2019-03-01 17:17:12	mpickering	OK I didn't get that. I will read it again and see
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2019-03-02 00:17:02	mpickering	I was wondering what the relationship between the VFS and mmapped files was?
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2019-03-02 00:19:59	wz1000	mpickering: the vfs is a Map from Uris to strings maintained by haskell-lsp
2019-03-02 00:20:29	wz1000	mappedfiles write that in memory string to a file that ghc can load.
2019-03-02 00:21:27	mpickering	right so the bit that ghc-mod does could be added to the VFS implementation?
2019-03-02 00:22:23	mpickering	instead of storing the strings in memory, an option to store them in temporary files
2019-03-02 00:22:33	mpickering	which can be made transparent
2019-03-02 00:23:26	wz1000	The optimal solution would be not having temporary files and teaching ghc how to handle CPP for in memory StringBuffers. 
2019-03-02 00:24:31	wz1000	mpickering: btw, here is an implementation of the hook stuff in HaRe: https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/blob/98f390b6e9d48537429863ca890aa853afcd7c79/src/Language/Haskell/Refact/Utils/Utils.hs#L136
2019-03-02 00:25:02	wz1000	which is what I borrowed the hie/ghc-mod implementation from.
2019-03-02 00:25:22	mpickering	yes but that would probably involve GHC writing out temp files anyway
2019-03-02 00:25:53	mpickering	I think I misunderstood the hook stuff. On holiday now so not had time to revisit that yet
2019-03-02 00:26:29	wz1000	but GHC can in that case give accurate error messages and SrcLoc's that mention the original file, not the temporary one
2019-03-02 00:26:58	wz1000	There is a whole lot of code in HIE to work around this limitation.
2019-03-02 00:27:10	wz1000	And it is currently a major source of bugs in HIE
2019-03-02 00:29:17	mpickering	it seems quite elegant to deal with this in the vfs
2019-03-02 00:29:24	wz1000	how?
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2019-03-02 00:30:02	wz1000	How will we rewrite every SrcLoc in a typechecked module with the correct filename?
2019-03-02 00:31:43	wz1000	The simple solution is just set targetContents with the string from the vfs.
2019-03-02 00:32:12	wz1000	see https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/pull/17/files#diff-0cc15f344ab212cad2ff1a3f06fd0333R85
2019-03-02 00:35:18	mpickering	but you said we can't do that because of CPP?
2019-03-02 00:35:50	wz1000	yes.
2019-03-02 00:36:48	wz1000	that is why someone should teach GHC to handle CPP.
2019-03-02 00:37:39	wz1000	The current implementation is already somewhat brittle with CPP and I've had to put in hacks.
2019-03-02 00:38:23	wz1000	like setting the include path for mapped temporary files to the parent directory of the original file
2019-03-02 00:39:40	wz1000	things like __FILE__ are broken currently.
2019-03-02 00:40:10	mpickering	right in the long term, someone should fix GHC but right now I need to reimplement this thing from ghc-mod
2019-03-02 00:40:37	mpickering	so I have to understand what it was trying to achieve in relationship with the VFS
2019-03-02 00:40:57	mpickering	"How will we rewrite every SrcLoc in a typechecked module with the correct filename?" when does that happen?
2019-03-02 00:41:20	wz1000	it doesn't. We have to manually take care to convert every SrcLoc we output.
2019-03-02 00:42:16	wz1000	And there are some cases where the filename is embedded in error messages, and we can't really convert it.
2019-03-02 00:42:52	wz1000	see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1103#issue-255695943
2019-03-02 00:43:52	wz1000	a halfway decent option would be using mapped files in case of CPP, and targetContents otherwise.
2019-03-02 00:44:54	mpickering	what do you think I should do for my fork?
2019-03-02 00:45:04	mpickering	(with regards to the mmaped file thing)
2019-03-02 00:48:39	wz1000	Seeing as we need mapped files until ghc is fixed, you could add that(putting it in the vfs would be fine, but since it will go once ghc is fixed, the bios might be a better place).
2019-03-02 00:49:10	wz1000	After that, using targetContents if we don't need CPP would be a trivial change.
2019-03-02 00:50:07	wz1000	Or if you want the laziest(and most elegent) option, just do targetContents and ignore CPP.
2019-03-02 00:50:45	wz1000	and you don't have to implement mapped files
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2019-03-02 01:07:49	wz1000	people who use CPP don't deserve nice things anyway
2019-03-02 01:10:00	mpickering	from your perspective, what problems does CPP cause? (bear in mind here I implemented ghc-exactprint with Alan a few years ago so I know some answers)
2019-03-02 01:10:59	wz1000	the main thing is what I mentioned(targetContents)
2019-03-02 01:11:53	wz1000	the other is that we only see the code post CPP, so we can't give any information for code that is removed by CPP
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2019-03-02 01:18:00	mpickering	wz1000: Wouldn't using something like hpp make this better? then you can make fragments back to source fragments in some manner
2019-03-02 01:18:33	mpickering	A big problem is that it is a process which is invoked but you can't instrument to find out additional information I think
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2019-03-02 16:50:08	@alanz	mpickering, hpp would be an improvement, but I think the upstream project is stuck in some way
2019-03-02 16:50:50	@alanz	my personal view is we need a custom haskell "CPP", which is deliberately reduced in power, but gives some guarantees in terms of source traceability
2019-03-02 16:51:21	@alanz	so in the first place is used for #if type logic only, and is aware of haskell comments and does not process them
2019-03-02 16:51:53	@alanz	And I believe that would support 95% + of the existing usages of CPP
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2019-03-02 17:43:52	@alanz	all, please take a look at https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1113, in case I have missed anything in the Changelog
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2019-03-02 20:32:10	pie___	oh, hi.
2019-03-02 20:35:26	@alanz	pie___, hi
2019-03-02 20:35:57	 *	pie___ is trying to set up his spacemacs to be nice for haskell dev
2019-03-02 20:36:31	@alanz	pie___, is there a layer for it?
2019-03-02 20:36:39	@alanz	for haskell-ide-engine, that is
2019-03-02 20:36:54	pie___	I don't know yet. I'm also fumbling with Nix integration
2019-03-02 20:37:20	@alanz	Well, maybe take a look at https://github.com/benkolera/spacemacs-hie-nix
2019-03-02 20:37:48	@alanz	although the last commit comment is not encouraging
2019-03-02 20:37:54	pie___	theres a lot of haskell integration tools, the haskell layer seems to support sevaral of them, it generally seems like a messy and hard to navigate ecosystem for a newbie (like me)
2019-03-02 20:38:05	pie___	*im also new to emacs
2019-03-02 20:38:17	pie___	like, just figuring out what tools do and dont do for example
2019-03-02 20:38:27	@alanz	the standard way to run hie under nix (as I understand it, not being a nix user) is via https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix
2019-03-02 20:38:42	pie___	currently I just have whatever is the default and that gives me code highlighting, but I'd like more
2019-03-02 20:39:03	@alanz	pie___, diving into emacs for the first time, and wanting to put hie/nix into the mix is quite a big challenge
2019-03-02 20:39:24	@alanz	fwiw I use emacs and lsp-mode
2019-03-02 20:39:31	@alanz	but not spacemacs or nix
2019-03-02 20:40:04	pie___	theres a relatively large amount of examples but its hard to tell whats canonically good, or what i want, etc etc. anyway this is my third run at it *shrug* x)
2019-03-02 20:40:43	pie___	a great thing about spacemacs is i figured out relatively easily how to search for commands and stuff. an think thats thanks to helm.
2019-03-02 20:41:01	pie___	so the discoverability is pretty helpful
2019-03-02 20:43:55	@alanz	pie___, fwiw my .emacs is  https://gist.github.com/alanz/a95a35cfb7cdff7b4df63894a2d488d7
2019-03-02 20:44:29	pie___	thanks. (thats a lot)
2019-03-02 20:44:38	@alanz	I did use spacemacs for a while, but did not like helm, having used emacs for a long time before that
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2019-03-02 20:45:43	pie___	yeah I wouldnt be able to learn it otherwise I dont think
2019-03-02 20:46:05	pie___	or rather, it would be really annoying
2019-03-02 20:47:31	@alanz	well, that is the whole point of spacemacs, to be really friendly for beginners
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2019-03-02 21:57:45	dxld	wz1000: re SrcLoc/file-map stuff: have you ever considered putting #line annotations in the tempfile you pass to ghc? I think it already has to suppot those for when .hs files pass through cpp.
2019-03-02 21:57:49	dxld	mpickering: ^
2019-03-02 21:58:20	dxld	and that would allow making ghc pretend the source file is called something else
2019-03-02 22:01:36	dxld	putting {-# line 0 "Foo.hs" #-} at the beginning seems to JustWork^TM
2019-03-02 22:02:07	dxld	then the file can be called anything and the error messages will have Foo.hs:.. instead of whatever the file is actually called
2019-03-02 22:03:33	@alanz	dxld, sounds like a great idea
2019-03-02 22:04:24	@alanz	but I still think a non-CPP preprocessor doing most of the interesting work is a good thing.
2019-03-02 22:04:34	dxld	sure
2019-03-02 22:04:35	@alanz	Could even be part of ghc.
2019-03-02 22:04:50	dxld	I think we should just introduce a syntax for such preprocessing stuff in haskell but whatever ;)
2019-03-02 22:05:11	dxld	a restricted CPP might be "good enough"
2019-03-02 22:05:14	@alanz	Agree 100%
2019-03-02 22:05:35	dxld	I'm checking how these LINE pragmas interact with CPP right now
2019-03-02 22:05:39	dxld	not sure if that'll work out
2019-03-02 22:06:24	dxld	looks good
2019-03-02 22:07:06	dxld	CPP appends a #line pgragma with the tmp-file name before my {-# LINE #-} pragma which appears to override the former so it's fine
2019-03-02 22:07:44	@alanz	nice
2019-03-02 22:08:22	dxld	ah! shoot
2019-03-02 22:08:34	dxld	if you have an #include in there somewhere it puts another #line pragma after
2019-03-02 22:09:17	dxld	I guess we could look for all CPP directives and put {-# LINE #-} pragmas after them ..
2019-03-02 22:09:23	dxld	pretty hacky though
2019-03-02 22:09:55	dxld	and then there's still hsc2hs and all the other preprocessors to consider
2019-03-02 22:10:05	@alanz	yes. Best to make our own. How hard could it be ....
2019-03-02 22:10:06	dxld	but those might not be so bad because they're not integrated into ghc
2019-03-02 22:10:28	dxld	hm? what do you mean "make our own"?
2019-03-02 22:10:32	@alanz	CPP
2019-03-02 22:10:53	@alanz	and I brought in the famous "entering a rabbit hole" phrase
2019-03-02 22:10:53	dxld	ah
2019-03-02 22:11:23	@alanz	define the restricted set of features to provide, and do it
2019-03-02 22:11:44	@alanz	I think the complication comes in from the macros used for version checks
2019-03-02 22:11:47	dxld	I dunno, I can see just grepping for /^ *#/ and putting pragmas there work pretty well as a stopgap until we fix this in ghc
2019-03-02 22:11:59	@alanz	I guess
2019-03-02 22:13:23	dxld	we can even overapproximate and put the pragmas on every line if we like :)
2019-03-02 22:13:35	dxld	so it would be pretty safe imo
2019-03-02 22:14:27	@alanz	yes, just a performance hit
2019-03-02 22:14:47	dxld	we're talking about source files here :)
2019-03-02 22:14:51	@alanz	Interesting thought, hie stores the text in a finger tree, and updates as changes come in
2019-03-02 22:15:02	@alanz	So we could handle it there somehow, perhaps
2019-03-02 22:15:20	dxld	I would just put a filter just before the file gets written out
2019-03-02 22:15:27	dxld	no need to store that
2019-03-02 22:15:48	@alanz	well, for the hie case we write it out every change that gets made
2019-03-02 22:15:56	@alanz	so minimising that processing could be a win
2019-03-02 22:16:32	dxld	come on, we're talking about something that's O(n) here
2019-03-02 22:16:33	@alanz	point being we can design this thing as a unit, make use of what we know of the specific environment
2019-03-02 22:16:49	dxld	you literally just walk the string and stick line pragmas in between lines
2019-03-02 22:16:54	dxld	and keep track of the line counter
2019-03-02 22:17:14	@alanz	well, lets get a proof of concept then see how it looks
2019-03-02 22:17:21	dxld	but I'll leave you guys to figure out the specifics
2019-03-02 22:17:39	@alanz	and now I think of it, you *can* only do it when you linearise it out
2019-03-02 22:18:52	@alanz	dxld, when do we get the replacement ghc-mod?
2019-03-02 22:19:55	dxld	about that
2019-03-02 22:20:16	dxld	I had a talk with mpickering and his approach seems a lot more maintainable for the time being
2019-03-02 22:20:48	dxld	so I'm probably going to be working on my green-field ghc plugins based stuff
2019-03-02 22:21:06	dxld	though we really should have a discussion about how to move forward
2019-03-02 22:21:58	@alanz	agree
2019-03-02 22:22:07	@alanz	on the need for a discussion
2019-03-02 22:22:19	@alanz	I guess I need to take a look at what mpickering has done
2019-03-02 22:22:37	@alanz	My concentration has been completely missing this last while though
2019-03-02 22:23:16	dxld	well basically the idea is an old one, just use `cabal repl` (and equivalents from other tools) to get ghc flags
2019-03-02 22:23:43	dxld	it has a lot of advantages, though I have some reservations about performance
2019-03-02 22:24:01	dxld	but I suppose getting shit to work right now is a lot more important than it being fast
2019-03-02 22:28:08	mpickering	alanz: I updated the README on the branch yesterday, in the hie-bios dir
2019-03-02 22:28:17	mpickering	That's a good place to start
2019-03-02 22:28:22	@alanz	this is the basic approach ghcid takes, I think
2019-03-02 22:28:47	@alanz	mpickering, thanks, I will take a look. Likely only tomorrow though
2019-03-02 22:31:04	mpickering	Yes it is similar to ghcid
2019-03-02 22:31:52	mpickering	But slightly different. 
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2019-03-02 22:32:29	@alanz	One of the things I like about the pre-existing ghc-mod, is that for things like HaRe that want to know all the users of a particular module, you can get the module graph of all the components
2019-03-02 22:32:34	dxld	mpickering: ghcid literally just starts `cabal repl` with no funny stuff, right?
2019-03-02 22:33:23	dxld	and you're replacing the ghc(i) it will call
2019-03-02 22:33:29	dxld	(I assume)
2019-03-02 22:33:40	dxld	alanz: you mean the HomeModuleGraph ghc-mod builds?
2019-03-02 22:33:55	@alanz	dxld, yes. 
2019-03-02 22:34:01	dxld	you can get the module graph from ghc too, but only after loading IIRC
2019-03-02 22:34:13	@alanz	not sure if it still does, but the HaRe tests for it still pass
2019-03-02 22:34:19	dxld	but that is another thing that really ought to just be fixed in ghc
2019-03-02 22:34:25	@alanz	true
2019-03-02 22:34:38	@alanz	trouble is, things are moving fast, and in different directions
2019-03-02 22:34:49	@alanz	backpack, internal libs, etc
2019-03-02 22:35:15	@alanz	which all means this info has to come from ghc/cabal, else we will be forever playing whack a mole
2019-03-02 22:36:00	@alanz	I *do* think we have turned a corner, in the sense that ghc/cabal is now aware of the tooling needs, and we are getting changes in for it
2019-03-02 22:45:04	mpickering	dxld: yes that is how the cabal cradle wprks5
2019-03-02 22:45:22	mpickering	I would prefer if cabal had a proper target of course 
2019-03-02 22:45:46	mpickering	And I believe that HIE has enough clout to dictate to tools what they need to provide
2019-03-02 22:46:37	mpickering	I also want to upstream anything that is nece2to GHC to make things smooth
2019-03-02 22:56:49	dxld	mpickering: btw, I've done some more thinking and I'm not so sure anymore a repl command really is all that's needed for my plugins approach
2019-03-02 22:57:37	mpickering	Oh? 
2019-03-02 22:58:10	dxld	well there's the age old question of how do you get the build tool to reload ghci when the flags change without just restarting it
2019-03-02 22:58:29	dxld	if we actually run an lsp server inside ghci restarts are going to be pretty annoying
2019-03-02 22:59:03	dxld	I suppose some kind of protocol could be devised for cabal to communicate to ghci in that case
2019-03-02 22:59:37	mpickering	ghcid does something to reload 
2019-03-02 22:59:43	dxld	but I dunno, I just feel like staying with the cabal-helper approach might be better for flexibility until this is actually working
2019-03-02 22:59:56	dxld	huh, I'll have to look at that more closely then
2019-03-02 23:00:12	dxld	but it doesn't have quite the same challanges
2019-03-02 23:00:24	dxld	in principle it can just replay the ghci config when it restarts
2019-03-02 23:00:51	dxld	like recording all the (state relevant) ghci commands the user types and sending them again when a restart has to happen
2019-03-02 23:01:04	dxld	with an in process thing like a tcp server that's not really going to be possible I think
2019-03-02 23:01:29	dxld	but anyways, save for current warts I actually thing the interface cabal-helper has to build tools is rather slim
2019-03-02 23:02:19	dxld	as long as the base assumption "everybody uses lib:Cabal underneath" holds
2019-03-02 23:03:33	dxld	I think the interface would also allow a user-configurable way of supporting new tools just as you want to do
2019-03-02 23:03:50	dxld	needs some more stuff of course but it's not unreasonable
2019-03-02 23:07:41	dxld	basically: (1) give me a list of packages and their setup-config files, (2) a command that will regenerate a setup-config if necessary
2019-03-02 23:08:11	dxld	which seems reasonable to me
2019-03-02 23:08:47	dxld	once show-build-info is a thing this becomes totally Cabal libray version independent too, no more hacky runtime compilation or anything
2019-03-02 23:11:55	mpickering	Reading setup-config is indirect still compared to directly getting the flags
2019-03-02 23:12:15	mpickering	And includes a Cabal detail
2019-03-02 23:13:42	dxld	sure but addind all the little things tooling might need to get out of setup-config to every single build tool is unreasonable too :)
2019-03-02 23:13:58	dxld	so under the assumption that just the ghc flags are enough of course your approach is better
2019-03-02 23:14:11	dxld	but experience has tought me that that's not always the case
2019-03-02 23:14:56	dxld	*taught
2019-03-02 23:17:22	dxld	and even in the case where a build tool isn't using Cabal, it would still be possible to provide a way to let users produce hook in and provide the necessary information
2019-03-02 23:17:54	dxld	s/produce hook/hook/
2019-03-02 23:18:04	mpickering	What things do you need out of the setup-config? 
2019-03-02 23:21:09	dxld	I'm not 100% sure how much of what we have now will actually be required
2019-03-02 23:21:31	dxld	since I haven't gotten around to updating ghc-mod yet I can't really say
2019-03-02 23:23:24	dxld	but essentially per-component we have ghc-opts, just -package flags from ghc-opts, hs-src-dirs and exposed-modules/other-modules/main-is
2019-03-02 23:24:01	dxld	and then there's a bunch of per-package stuff like cabal's -f<flags>, pkg-dbs and such
2019-03-02 23:24:09	dxld	but much of that could probably go away
2019-03-02 23:27:42	@alanz	so, I have now looked at the hie-bios thing. 
2019-03-02 23:28:01	@alanz	And I think it is a great approach. W
2019-03-02 23:28:38	@alanz	As it seems to me that we can carry on using what we have, if we want to, but it is easy to add new features, in a decoupled way
2019-03-02 23:29:21	mpickering	Add new features to? 
2019-03-02 23:29:59	@alanz	well, if we find we need more info about a build than just the flags to load a given file
2019-03-02 23:30:11	@alanz	like that module graph stuff I mentioned earlier
2019-03-02 23:30:49	@alanz	And it seems to me that once the info we need is clarified/stabilised, we can push it into ghc/cabal.
2019-03-02 23:30:49	mpickering	Right. But I think GHC will give you nearly everything you need
2019-03-02 23:30:57	@alanz	which is what you guys were saying earlier
2019-03-02 23:31:14	mpickering	After you load a target, you can get the module graph 
2019-03-02 23:31:30	@alanz	Well, I may not want to have to load a target
2019-03-02 23:31:42	@alanz	to know what all is using it.
2019-03-02 23:32:13	@alanz	Refactoring is a nightmare, you change a lib, and must change the tests, benchmarks, random exes too
2019-03-02 23:32:25	@alanz	else the user thinks the refactorer is broken
2019-03-02 23:32:46	@alanz	but ideally you want to get all of that info from the project definition
2019-03-02 23:33:12	dxld	ah right, that's a good point
2019-03-02 23:33:19	@alanz	BUT, I can imagine the hie-bios exe being asked for the module graph, which it then stores in some shared cache file
2019-03-02 23:33:21	dxld	HaRe needs a global module graph
2019-03-02 23:33:30	@alanz	yes
2019-03-02 23:33:44	dxld	uff, that's going to be tricky methnks
2019-03-02 23:33:47	@alanz	for some definition of global.
2019-03-02 23:34:05	dxld	yeah ::)
2019-03-02 23:34:20	mpickering	I think making the module graph by loading targets is a god solution 
2019-03-02 23:34:28	@alanz	yes, but if we have the principle that the hie-bios exe exists, with some defined commands and output formats, then we can work toward it
2019-03-02 23:34:28	mpickering	*good
2019-03-02 23:34:52	@alanz	mpickering, yes, but it needs to be a command to the hie-bios thing, which then gets persisted
2019-03-02 23:35:20	@alanz	and we also need to have some way of knowing when to do the heavy lifting recomputation, based on setup files changing
2019-03-02 23:35:29	@alanz	which cabal-helper/ghc-mod currently do
2019-03-02 23:35:39	dxld	mpickering: told ya :P
2019-03-02 23:35:59	mpickering	You mean based on when a Cabal file changes? 
2019-03-02 23:36:04	dxld	actually with mpickering's approach most of the caching stuff would have to go away
2019-03-02 23:36:18	@alanz	mpickering, yes
2019-03-02 23:36:21	dxld	as far as I understand it at least, please correct me if I'm wrong
2019-03-02 23:36:34	mpickering	If a Cabal file changes then the flags change so you know you have to recompile. 
2019-03-02 23:36:51	@alanz	it *would* go away, except for things like working out a module graph by actually loading everything
2019-03-02 23:37:54	mpickering	Also GHC can work out a project structure before it loads the files
2019-03-02 23:38:16	mpickering	As it has to do that to work out which order to compile modules 
2019-03-02 23:38:39	@alanz	yes, I think that is what the current ghc-mod does to load the homemodulegraph
2019-03-02 23:38:54	@alanz	so maybe that should move into the layer above the BIOS
2019-03-02 23:39:19	@alanz	together with the actual module loading, using whatever hook methodology makes sense for that part
2019-03-02 23:40:00	@alanz	and something we need to eventually have a solution for is running an actual ghci session too
2019-03-02 23:42:04	mpickering	Starting ghci with the flags you get should work
2019-03-02 23:42:39	mpickering	I was wondering as well whether IdeGHcT should be based on the Ghci monad rather than Ghc
2019-03-02 23:42:43	@alanz	The problem I have in mind is having a single GHC session, used by hie and ghci
2019-03-02 23:43:18	@alanz	so in simplest terms in means having two enpoints, one for hie commands and one for repl commands/output
2019-03-02 23:43:31	@alanz	and somehow coordinating the session too.
2019-03-02 23:44:02	@alanz	And I still believe external-interpreter can give us the split we need
2019-03-02 23:44:29	@alanz	although I understand there are challenges there too, in terms of FFI, cross-compilation, etc
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2019-03-03 02:12:01	benkolera	pie__ be careful with my layer. It cut a lot of stuff out of the haskell layer so that it's easier to deal with, but it's a lot unloved because ghc-mod is impossibly slow in reflex projects and figuring out why hasn't been able to bubble up to the top of my list yet (a big part of the slowness may that reflex platform is still on ghc 8.4.3 so I have to use a three month old hie to get a 8.4.3 friendly version out
2019-03-03 02:12:01	benkolera	of hie-nix: a problem which you likely don't have). It's a good start if you want to try it. I just recently fixed the layer up for the latest version of lsp and lsp haskell. 
2019-03-03 02:17:09	luigy	benkolera: oh hey recently I started trying out hie and put up a branch in reflex-platform - where can I see more about your layer?
2019-03-03 02:18:59	benkolera	It's just the actual spacemacs haskell layer with lsp/lsp-haskell put in and everything else ripped out (dante, intero, etc). https://github.com/benkolera/spacemacs-hie-nix/ 
2019-03-03 02:20:13	benkolera	To be specific, I was trying this out in obelisk projects not reflex-platform. I use a lot of TH for lensey stuff, which is part of the problem at least I'm sure.  
2019-03-03 02:20:24	luigy	right now I'm trying to sort how how does ghc-mod decide to use configure instead of new-configure
2019-03-03 02:20:51	luigy	I'm not sure if all the different tools that come into play are sharing how to "configure" a project
2019-03-03 02:34:52	benkolera	The hie that I'm having to use is old enough that I think that its old-school cabal only, so I haven't had to deal with that yet. In an obelisk project I have to cabal sandbox init and cabal sandbox add-source ../common to both frontend and backend to make things happy.
2019-03-03 02:34:52	benkolera	The most important thing on my list is to be able to have the latest hie even though my project doesn't have the latest ghc. This will involve doing something weird in hie-nix because nixpkgs itself only ever keeps one version of ghc 8.4 around. It's almost like we should have a hie-nix that tracks the nixpkgs that reflex-platform is pointing at and is nice and cached. 
2019-03-03 02:39:45	luigy	benkolera: pushed hie branch to obelisk if you want to give it a shot https://github.com/obsidiansystems/obelisk/tree/hie
2019-03-03 02:40:27	luigy	it updated hie today on that branch
2019-03-03 02:41:20	luigy	oh yeah, that would not be cached... one sec let me see if I can get that cached
2019-03-03 02:50:04	benkolera	Oh, that's awesome. I'll point my fork of obelisk (I've got an open PR atm) at your reflex-platform. I'm about to walk my dog for a bit so I don't mind letting it build for a bit.  
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2019-03-03 04:14:18	benkolera	luigy: Your branch looks good to me. Hie is definitely still getting swamped under text hover commands though. At least this project is (nothing too out of the ordinary for obelisk there and it's still pretty small and unfinished): https://github.com/qfpl/reflex-realworld-example/commit/7d5ccc0746741660b189bdbc71171e8f4f85c6a0
2019-03-03 04:16:53	benkolera	Logs for anyone playing along in case there is anything super obvious in there that I've done wrong. :)  https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/uCIClxWO/
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2019-03-03 14:17:36	mpickering	benkolera: I am planning to debug this problem with jsaddle btw
2019-03-03 14:18:37	benkolera	Oh cool! Let me know if I can do anything to help out. 
2019-03-03 14:19:14	mpickering	Your real world reflex example is already useful for that. Thanks. 
2019-03-03 14:19:46	mpickering	My plan was to read the ghci source code to work out why it loads quickly into ghci but not HIE
2019-03-03 14:20:52	mpickering	But you might know more than me what in jsaddle-do might be unusual? 
2019-03-03 14:21:57	@alanz	mpickering, something to look at some time are the packages haskell-dap and ghci-dap
2019-03-03 14:22:13	@alanz	dap == debug adapter protocol, as used by vscode
2019-03-03 14:22:39	mpickering	Are these packages which exist? 
2019-03-03 14:22:52	@alanz	yes, were updated in the last 24 hours
2019-03-03 14:23:01	mpickering	Who wrote them? 
2019-03-03 14:23:09	@alanz	http://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghci-dap
2019-03-03 14:23:15	@alanz	http://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-dap
2019-03-03 14:23:27	@alanz	A guy who goes by the name of phoityne
2019-03-03 14:23:49	@alanz	a person, no idea of gender
2019-03-03 14:25:01	mpickering	Why are they not contributing this to HIE? 
2019-03-03 14:25:12	@alanz	well, they were doing it first
2019-03-03 14:25:21	@alanz	and dap is not currently part of hie
2019-03-03 14:25:30	@alanz	although it should come in some time
2019-03-03 14:25:49	@alanz	it is supported in vscode, and I think emacs is starting, for lsp-mode
2019-03-03 14:26:56	mpickering	OK, the documentation is quite lacking so will have a look later
2019-03-03 14:27:46	mpickering	I am interested in this debugging stuff as well but have to concentrate my efforts on the bios first I think
2019-03-03 14:28:29	@alanz	yes. I have never been a great fan of a debugger
2019-03-03 14:28:44	@alanz	too much of a manual process, ends up being a massive time sink
2019-03-03 14:29:02	@alanz	easier to do it with logging, which you can at least have as an artifact afterwards
2019-03-03 14:29:09	@alanz	to examen
2019-03-03 14:29:49	mpickering	Works well when I program in java script I find but never done it in Haskell
2019-03-03 14:30:55	@alanz	I am talking about the general experience, based on using it years ago. You end up stepping, and going too far, or into a routine instead of over, or over instead of into
2019-03-03 14:31:24	@alanz	So it needs massive concentration, for marginal (imo) benefit
2019-03-03 14:31:57	@alanz	working in a repl is something else, and very productive
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2019-03-03 18:02:58	lukelau	alanz: release is up
2019-03-03 18:03:13	lukelau	full steam ahead
2019-03-03 18:03:19	lukelau	🚂
2019-03-03 18:03:20	@alanz	thanks
2019-03-03 18:03:47	@alanz	currently investigating the hie-bios branch
2019-03-03 18:04:24	lukelau	I’ll hopefully get some time today to check it out
2019-03-03 18:05:26	@alanz	I think it is likely to be a good approach, decoupling things cleanly
2019-03-03 18:06:23	@alanz	lukelau, with your remove JSONStdio branch, you also remove the names of the plugins
2019-03-03 18:06:37	@alanz	how do you generate command ids back to the client?
2019-03-03 18:06:48	 *	alanz has not looked closely yet
2019-03-03 18:07:24	lukelau	The commands themselves should still have names, but I haven’t thought about plugins and namespaces
2019-03-03 18:07:39	@alanz	My main concern is that we need to (eventually) allow people to insert their own plugins there too
2019-03-03 18:07:59	@alanz	and load them via some kind of dynamic loader
2019-03-03 18:08:22	@alanz	so if I only ever use floskell, I don't bother to load brittany
2019-03-03 18:08:48	@alanz	or, I load a private formatter, tailored to my company's standards
2019-03-03 18:08:53	lukelau	Yeah I had that idea in mind too, which is why I presumed that plugins would declare their own pluginId rather than have to specify them in HIE
2019-03-03 18:09:08	lukelau	But that is a good point, I will leave a comment on that PR
2019-03-03 18:09:15	@alanz	well, then you have to manage the global plugin namespace somehoe
2019-03-03 18:09:31	@alanz	the way it is now, you just have to make sure the names in the list of plugins don't clash
2019-03-03 18:09:37	@alanz	which is simple and local
2019-03-03 18:10:04	@alanz	and why we have the additional complexity at the moment
2019-03-03 18:11:54	lukelau	Do you have ideas for how the plugins would be eventually packaged?
2019-03-03 18:12:07	@alanz	no, but I want to keep the door open
2019-03-03 18:12:11	lukelau	I.e. as a cabal project or just a standalone .hs file?
2019-03-03 18:12:30	@alanz	My initial thought is that it is something like used by FB in their sigma thing
2019-03-03 18:12:33	lukelau	I wonder if there exists any sort of reflection that could be used to unique the plugins
2019-03-03 18:12:47	@alanz	hot code loading, from a library, with a defined function in it.
2019-03-03 18:13:01	@alanz	Which just returns the pluginDescriptor
2019-03-03 18:13:29	lukelau	Are these libraries statically compiled with their dependencies?
2019-03-03 18:14:00	@alanz	I don't know, it is just the concept I have at the moment, have not considered the practicalities
2019-03-03 18:14:30	@alanz	And it is based on listening to Simon Marlow's talk at HaskellX in October last year 
2019-03-03 18:14:56	@alanz	It *does* seem a bit fiddly, so not sure if it is the right way to go
2019-03-03 18:15:18	@alanz	But I have always had in mind that you could locally configure what plugins you want to have loaded
2019-03-03 18:15:47	@alanz	and that could be as simple as having a skeleton MainHie.hs which needs a list of plugins passed in to it
2019-03-03 18:16:04	lukelau	My main thought is that most of plugins would require some form of hackage dependency on the tool that they expose
2019-03-03 18:16:11	@alanz	But there have been bigger fish to fry in the meantime, so it has been on the backburner
2019-03-03 18:16:38	@alanz	well, the idea is that you build/install a plugin via stack, cabal, etc
2019-03-03 18:16:42	lukelau	Yeah. There’s always just the possibility of a simple ~/.local/config/hie.[yaml/json/dhall] 
2019-03-03 18:17:00	@alanz	and then configure your local hie instance to load the dynamically loadable module it provides
2019-03-03 18:17:06	@alanz	exactly
2019-03-03 18:17:29	@alanz	and the dynamic loading is only for initial startup, we will not bother with hot code swapping
2019-03-03 18:19:26	@alanz	Here is my initial experiments: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/ghc-hotswap
2019-03-03 18:19:32	@alanz	did not get very far though
2019-03-03 18:23:25	@alanz	mpickering, what is the state of your hie-bios branch? For me it does not compile. Is your github version up to date?
2019-03-03 18:24:08	@alanz	hmm, the tests are failing to compile, I recall being told that too.
2019-03-03 18:24:24	lukelau	I agree. Might it be worthwhile getting Simon Marlow’s two cents on how this could work?
2019-03-03 18:25:29	@alanz	that sounds like a good idea
2019-03-03 18:26:00	lukelau	need to head now, will checkout hie-bios later
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2019-03-03 19:31:04	luigy	in emacs does it look right for lsp-haskell-process-wrapper-function to be getting called more than once when opening a single haskell file? the first time lsp-haskell--session-cabal-dir correctly show the directory that contains the cabal file, but the second time it's getting called it shows '.'(which seems to be a fallback when a cabal file is not found) and `default-directory` shows that it has gone up one directory
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2019-03-03 23:23:48	mpickering	alanz: I think the executable compiles? 
2019-03-03 23:24:14	mpickering	What was the error. Didn't bother with the tests. Zubin managed to get it to work for him 
2019-03-03 23:24:33	mpickering	I'll try it tonight hopefully
2019-03-03 23:24:40	@alanz	mpickering, yes, it was the test thats missing stuff, since the GhcMod plugin has been gutted
2019-03-03 23:25:05	@alanz	and cabal new-install did not work, then I realised you develop with nix
2019-03-03 23:25:13	@alanz	so I figured I would step back for a bit
2019-03-03 23:25:19	mpickering	I was just using new-build
2019-03-03 23:25:27	@alanz	the exe looks like a direct copy of hhp
2019-03-03 23:25:31	mpickering	That works. 
2019-03-03 23:25:35	@alanz	and does not have any specific commands for hie?
2019-03-03 23:25:59	mpickering	The exe is just for testing
2019-03-03 23:26:02	@alanz	as in, get setting to be able to start up a ghc session to load a file
2019-03-03 23:26:15	mpickering	It only supports the check command
2019-03-03 23:26:44	@alanz	yes, thats what I saw
2019-03-03 23:27:06	@alanz	and the install failed with something that looked like a cabal error, just recreating it now
2019-03-03 23:27:19	mpickering	I think Zubin saw this as well
2019-03-03 23:27:34	@alanz	https://gist.github.com/alanz/c59e191e1de81c2a27dd5b0ad2033514
2019-03-03 23:27:43	@alanz	embedstringFile
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2019-03-03 23:27:48	mpickering	I think it's due to file-embed
2019-03-03 23:28:15	mpickering	Right. Try new-build
2019-03-03 23:28:19	@alanz	and I presume it is because the relevant file is not listed in the cabal file
2019-03-03 23:28:28	@alanz	that was the result of "cabal new-install hie"
2019-03-03 23:28:50	mpickering	Right but the new-build command does work? 
2019-03-03 23:28:55	mpickering	OK that sounds likely
2019-03-03 23:29:05	mpickering	I didn't try with new-install
2019-03-03 23:29:16	@alanz	ok
2019-03-03 23:30:30	mpickering	lukelau: I know how to get plugins to work I think. If you want them to work like Ghc plugins
2019-03-03 23:31:38	@alanz	mpickering, the idea is to be able to specify a list of (additional) plugins to be loaded as part of hie startup
2019-03-03 23:31:50	@alanz	and I guess the model used by GHC is the obvious choice
2019-03-03 23:32:34	mpickering	The tricky part is working with the package dbs I think. 
2019-03-03 23:32:52	@alanz	yes. Getting the right level of sharing.
2019-03-03 23:33:06	@alanz	danger is that each plugin brings in the kitchen sink with it
2019-03-03 23:33:32	@alanz	Which is why I am interested in the FB sigma hot code loading model
2019-03-03 23:33:44	@alanz	I think it can have a common base of libraries
2019-03-03 23:33:56	@alanz	as I understood the presentation
2019-03-03 23:35:27	mpickering	OK, a specification will be useful 
2019-03-03 23:35:50	@alanz	at the moment it is just a nice to have
2019-03-03 23:36:07	@alanz	and I guess we need to nail down a spec some time
2019-03-03 23:36:35	@alanz	the options are something like what Yi does, or what sigma does, or something else completely
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2019-03-04 00:13:09	Uniaika	hohai!
2019-03-04 00:14:53	Uniaika	When using HIE and Neovim, I can apply an HLint hint by manually opening the action menu, selection Code Actions and selecting "apply hint"
2019-03-04 00:15:02	Uniaika	https://github.com/autozimu/LanguageClient-neovim/blob/next/doc/LanguageClient.txt#L383 ← this menu
2019-03-04 00:15:17	Uniaika	would there be a way to directly send that command to HIE?
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2019-03-04 02:47:06	fendor	alanz, how can I retrieve the `Type` of a `Name`? 
2019-03-04 02:48:05	@alanz	fendor, if you can get the associated Id (from the typechecked source) it should have it
2019-03-04 02:48:22	@alanz	but as a Type, not as an AST fragment.
2019-03-04 02:48:49	@alanz	I think there is a global dictionary returned as part of the typechecked source. 
2019-03-04 02:48:58	 *	alanz digging into docs
2019-03-04 02:49:12	fendor	i am using `findDef` as an orientation
2019-03-04 02:49:20	fendor	i think i am rather close
2019-03-04 02:49:34	fendor	but it has been 2 hours already and now I am asking
2019-03-04 02:50:18	fendor	there is the function `getTypeForName` but as you say, the Type can not be used to retrieve a src location
2019-03-04 02:51:01	@alanz	https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/html/libraries/ghc-8.6.2/GHC.html#t:TypecheckedModule
2019-03-04 02:52:11	@alanz	A Name has a definition location in it
2019-03-04 02:52:43	fendor	how can I get the name of the type?
2019-03-04 02:53:01	@alanz	but that is not the defintion of the type, just where the name is assigned a type
2019-03-04 02:53:29	@alanz	to clarify, you have something like
2019-03-04 02:53:41	@alanz	foo :: Int -> Int -> Int
2019-03-04 02:53:47	@alanz	foo a b = a + b
2019-03-04 02:54:08	@alanz	and you want to know where to find the definition of the type for 'a'
2019-03-04 02:54:13	@alanz	as an example
2019-03-04 02:54:18	fendor	yes
2019-03-04 02:54:33	@alanz	so you look up that a is of type Int, and want to know where Int is defined
2019-03-04 02:54:47	@alanz	or if it is a user-defined type where that comes from
2019-03-04 02:55:05	@alanz	So you have the name 'Int'?
2019-03-04 02:55:52	@alanz	Have you looked at where the n_loc points in  https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/html/libraries/ghc-8.6.2/src/Name.html#Name
2019-03-04 02:56:08	@alanz	for 'Int' in the example?
2019-03-04 02:56:32	fendor	I dont have the name of the type yet, I just have the `Type` and the name of one of its data constructors
2019-03-04 02:58:18	@alanz	what example are you working against?
2019-03-04 02:58:44	@alanz	can you point me at a gist. Where is the cursor, and what do you know
2019-03-04 02:59:06	@alanz	e.g. in my example the cursor is on the first 'a' in 'foo a b = a + b'
2019-03-04 02:59:42	@alanz	so the Name is 'a', its definition site (loc_n) is likely to be the line above
2019-03-04 02:59:53	fendor	I am working on the example of lsp-test: https://github.com/bubba/lsp-test/blob/master/test/data/renamePass/Desktop/simple.hs
2019-03-04 03:00:23	fendor	the cursor is at position 20 23 and should point at (mkRange 10 5 10 12)
2019-03-04 03:00:33	mpickering	I don't think it makes sense to ask for where a type is defined 
2019-03-04 03:01:20	mpickering	Do you mean where the outermost data constructor is defined? 
2019-03-04 03:01:26	fendor	and this is the implementation https://gist.github.com/fendor/e75f0c78fe3f02b0b0d96c7de44f064b
2019-03-04 03:01:41	fendor	i can probably find it out
2019-03-04 03:01:50	@alanz	position 20 23 is in the keyword 'case'?
2019-03-04 03:02:18	@alanz	mpickering, why not?
2019-03-04 03:02:23	fendor	no, the y position is always one off, so the real index would be 21 23
2019-03-04 03:02:37	fendor	i dont know why, but thats how it is in lsp-test
2019-03-04 03:03:03	@alanz	that is the LSP zer-based encoding, no problem
2019-03-04 03:03:11	mpickering	Where is a type like "for all. a. a - > a" defined 
2019-03-04 03:03:25	@alanz	you are working on the goto type definition functionality?
2019-03-04 03:03:31	fendor	yes
2019-03-04 03:04:04	@alanz	mpickering, we are trying to go from a variable which has been declared having a particular type to its definition
2019-03-04 03:04:20	@alanz	and I guess if some constrained type has been inferred then it will fail
2019-03-04 03:04:42	@alanz	but, if there *is* a specific type, as there often is, then going to it can be very useful
2019-03-04 03:04:52	@alanz	or even showing a hover peek for it
2019-03-04 03:05:20	fendor	i agree, goign to the type definition sounds very useful
2019-03-04 03:05:24	mpickering	OK. So once you find the type, can't you use the same machinery as goto definition uses? 
2019-03-04 03:05:36	fendor	that's what i am trying to do
2019-03-04 03:05:47	fendor	implementation is based off on findDefinition
2019-03-04 03:05:52	mpickering	I agree it is useful but the question in general is ill formed
2019-03-04 03:06:08	mpickering	OK. That sounds good then
2019-03-04 03:06:10	fendor	i see that is right
2019-03-04 03:06:38	mpickering	So can you look at the n_loc field to get the definition site of the Name? 
2019-03-04 03:07:06	fendor	ill try
2019-03-04 03:07:30	@alanz	nameSrcSpan returns n_loc. FYI
2019-03-04 03:08:12	@alanz	https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/latest/docs/html/libraries/ghc-8.6.2/src/Name.html#nameSrcLoc
2019-03-04 03:08:12	fendor	looked it already up
2019-03-04 03:08:24	@alanz	great. Good luck
2019-03-04 03:08:46	fendor	but wouldnt nameSrcspan point to the definition of the constructor?
2019-03-04 03:09:00	mpickering	How did you get this DataCon? 
2019-03-04 03:09:03	fendor	for example in my case, it should point to the start of `Quit` right?
2019-03-04 03:09:12	mpickering	I thought you had a Type? 
2019-03-04 03:09:36	fendor	mpickering, some built in functionality by HIE, the function `symbolFromTypecheckedModule` seems to give me that
2019-03-04 03:10:00	fendor	I can retrieve a type by inspecting `TyThing` and the function `getTypeForName`
2019-03-04 03:10:16	mpickering	Ok
2019-03-04 03:10:52	mpickering	So once you have the type. You want to call a function from GHC which sees if a type is a type constructor application 
2019-03-04 03:11:18	mpickering	tyConApp_maybe perhaps
2019-03-04 03:11:30	mpickering	On my phone sorry
2019-03-04 03:12:36	@alanz	fendor, highlighting a constructor and hitting go to defintion already works
2019-03-04 03:12:53	fendor	alanz, yes, with the find definition functionality
2019-03-04 03:13:05	fendor	but it does not work if the constructor is a variable
2019-03-04 03:13:10	mpickering	That will give you a TyCon, which you can call tyConName on and then look in n_loc
2019-03-04 03:13:17	@alanz	So in https://gist.github.com/alanz/ddf4e0dc9f0e04fd51337966ba31e897
2019-03-04 03:13:45	@alanz	if I put my cursor on FooBar in line 10, goto definition takes me to line 1
2019-03-04 03:14:16	@alanz	What we need, is to put the cursor on 'x' in line 9 and go to line 1
2019-03-04 03:14:29	fendor	alanz, yes, but moving cursor to 6 to the `b` does not send you to line 1, right?
2019-03-04 03:15:26	@alanz	no, but that is why you are working on go to type definition
2019-03-04 03:15:37	@alanz	my point is that it works on variables, not constructors
2019-03-04 03:16:14	fendor	alanz, shouldnt it also work on constructors? I would expect it to send me to the type definition, e.g. `data Command` in my example
2019-03-04 03:16:42	@alanz	well, we can already go to the definition of a constructor.
2019-03-04 03:17:02	fendor	mpickering, I actally can not seem to find that function? 0.o
2019-03-04 03:17:11	@alanz	Via ctrl-] for me using vim bindings in emacs-lsp
2019-03-04 03:17:13	fendor	alanz, right, but it should take you to the definition of the type imo
2019-03-04 03:17:36	@alanz	fendor, I think you are trying to make a thing work that is already good enough
2019-03-04 03:17:40	fendor	mpickering, there are like 7 functions but with different prefixes
2019-03-04 03:17:53	mpickering	fendor: I need to be at my PC to look it up
2019-03-04 03:18:06	@alanz	for me the actual problem is to go to the definition of a type that a variable has. 
2019-03-04 03:18:15	mpickering	Will be in 5-10 mins
2019-03-04 03:19:15	@alanz	anyway, good luck, I need to go to bed now
2019-03-04 03:19:23	fendor	alanz, ok, good night!
2019-03-04 03:19:27	fendor	thanks for your help!
2019-03-04 03:20:06	@alanz	sure
2019-03-04 03:27:21	mpickering	fendor: `tyConAppTyCon_maybe`
2019-03-04 03:27:43	fendor	mpickering, i did it with tcTyConAppTyCon_maybe for now, this seems to give me the whole type definition
2019-03-04 03:28:26	mpickering	that will look through type synonyms I think
2019-03-04 03:28:26	fendor	what is the difference between tc and ty?
2019-03-04 03:28:28	luigy	one I see this
2019-03-04 03:28:28	luigy	```
2019-03-04 03:28:28	luigy	info: loadTargets:
2019-03-04 03:28:28	luigy	      Target needs interpeter, switching to LinkInMemory/HscInterpreted. Perfectly normal if anything is using TemplateHaskell, QuasiQuotes or PatternSynonyms.
2019-03-04 03:28:28	luigy	``` some of the suggestions that I was previously was seeing stop showing up
2019-03-04 03:28:58	mpickering	like what luigy ?
2019-03-04 03:29:01	luigy	this is only adding {#- LANGUAGE TemplateHaskell -#} without actually using it in the buffer
2019-03-04 03:29:30	luigy	like before it was saying to add KindSignatures and then I manually added th pragma and the kindsignatures is no longer suggested
2019-03-04 03:29:34	mpickering	Yes, you have to use HscInterpreted if you're going to use TemplateHaskell. It's the same as GHC will do if you use -fno-code.
2019-03-04 03:30:31	mpickering	You mean that hlint was suggesting that or GHC?
2019-03-04 03:30:44	fendor	mpickering, I think your suggestions did the trick, now the output is way more as I expect it 
2019-03-04 03:31:19	mpickering	great!
2019-03-04 03:31:46	mpickering	If you need to know about the names of any function in GHC just ask me..
2019-03-04 03:31:59	luigy	hehe I'm pretty new at hie so I'm not sure which tool was suggesting this
2019-03-04 03:32:22	mpickering	What does the error look like?
2019-03-04 03:33:03	fendor	mpickering, yeah what is the difference between `tyConAppTyCon_maybe` and `tcTyConAppTyCon_maybe`? they seem to do the same thing
2019-03-04 03:33:19	mpickering	I said, the `tc` version looks through type synonyms. 
2019-03-04 03:33:56	mpickering	which you can see by looking how the `tc` version calls `tcView`.
2019-03-04 03:34:07	fendor	oh, sorry. Thanks! 
2019-03-04 03:34:24	fendor	i am not gonna try to look at the source atm, still enough mental overhead with hie
2019-03-04 03:34:27	mpickering	So if you want jump to type definition to jump to the type synonym then use the former, if you want it to ignore type synonyms then use the later
2019-03-04 03:34:53	mpickering	fair enough. I can help you then more easily find the functions you will need
2019-03-04 03:35:45	pie__	ok so now i have nix giving me a semi-declarative emacs, i guess i can start configuring haskell stuff next weekend....
2019-03-04 03:36:06	pie__	or tomorrow when i get home or whatever
2019-03-04 03:36:10	 *	pie__ takes a break
2019-03-04 03:37:10	fendor	I think i actualyl want to have the type synonym
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2019-03-04 14:09:46	teto	pie__: welcome to the semi-declarative club, seems like we are 3 in total
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2019-03-04 15:34:10	kmelvn	I keep getting ``Mismatching GHC versions: Project is No System GHC found, HIE is 8.6.3`` when I run `hie-wrapper` from my project root. Where to look for debugging this? It worked before I upgraded hie...
2019-03-04 15:34:30	kmelvn	I've even done a clean install of basically everything! (stack, hie, ...)
2019-03-04 15:34:57	kmelvn	there is no "system wide" GHC, I'm using only stack... but so far this has worked just fine
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2019-03-04 16:08:31	kmelvn	It seems the problem is in my project layout, I have many packages under one stack.yaml
2019-03-04 16:09:07	kmelvn	if I run `hie-wrapper` inside a package, it fails, if I run it inside a top-level stack.yaml dir - it works
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2019-03-05 00:54:18	mpickering	How does the VFS get updated? I can't find any calls to either `changeFrom*` functions
2019-03-05 00:55:13	@alanz	it gets updated inside haskell-lsp
2019-03-05 00:55:26	mpickering	where?
2019-03-05 00:55:32	@alanz	when the appropriate messages come through
2019-03-05 00:55:37	@alanz	hold on, let me dig
2019-03-05 00:57:07	@alanz	Inside Core.hs, there is a handlerMap defined
2019-03-05 00:57:12	mpickering	I just added a new field to `VirtualFile` which is a `Maybe FilePath` which is an optional pointer to a file containing the contents of the virtual file so I need to work out how to update the VFS 
2019-03-05 00:57:16	@alanz	line 262
2019-03-05 00:57:38	mpickering	I see thanks.
2019-03-05 00:57:46	mpickering	That was just confusing me more than anything
2019-03-05 00:57:53	@alanz	mpickering, explain to me what you are trying to do?
2019-03-05 00:58:07	mpickering	Replace the mmaped file part of ghc-mod 
2019-03-05 00:58:24	mpickering	Specifically the `mapFileFromVfs` function
2019-03-05 00:58:39	@alanz	so you will write the contents of the VFS to that file?
2019-03-05 00:59:12	@alanz	i.e. VFS still gets incrementally updated as we get didChange events from the client IDE?
2019-03-05 00:59:20	mpickering	the contents of the `VirtualFile` yes
2019-03-05 00:59:32	mpickering	Yes, when it gets updated the field is set to `Nothing` again
2019-03-05 00:59:39	@alanz	ok
2019-03-05 01:00:07	mpickering	I wanted to get my branch working when the files were edited
2019-03-05 01:00:10	mpickering	but not saved yet
2019-03-05 01:00:36	@alanz	which is what VFS does
2019-03-05 01:00:59	@alanz	You get access to the contents of the VFS in the reactor, if you need it
2019-03-05 01:01:33	mpickering	yes but then there is the additional bit ghc-mod did which was write the contents of a the VFS to a temp file so that CPP worked and so on
2019-03-05 01:01:33	@alanz	look at e.g. the one example plugin, from my haskellx talk
2019-03-05 01:02:14	@alanz	yes. I need to refresh myself on how that works
2019-03-05 01:02:30	mpickering	it doesn't look like updated the VFS is something you can really do at the moment though
2019-03-05 01:02:34	@alanz	Is there a reason your version can't use that mechnism to get the VFS too?
2019-03-05 01:03:07	mpickering	which mechanism do you mean?
2019-03-05 01:03:29	@alanz	the one used by hie/ghc-mod to load a mapped file
2019-03-05 01:03:46	@alanz	we supply the mapped file to ghc-mod, it sounds like you are trying to do the same thing
2019-03-05 01:03:51	mpickering	I could implement it like ghc-mod but it seemed potentially nicer to do it in the VFS 
2019-03-05 01:04:00	mpickering	The mapping stuff is done by ghc-mod
2019-03-05 01:04:02	@alanz	fair enough
2019-03-05 01:04:07	mpickering	If you look in mapFileFromVfs
2019-03-05 01:04:25	@alanz	yes, but it is done via hie providing the contents. i.e. we alreade have the contents.
2019-03-05 01:04:39	@alanz	and the VFS contents has a version number, FYI
2019-03-05 01:04:52	@alanz	which is incremented on every change. Same version, same file contents
2019-03-05 01:06:52	@alanz	yes, mapFileFromVfs gets the file contents and makes it available as a mapped file
2019-03-05 01:07:06	mpickering	right and I need to replace that call to ghc-mod in there
2019-03-05 01:07:32	@alanz	my point being if you write the file at that point it is the same effect
2019-03-05 01:07:41	@alanz	as making that change in haskell-lsp
2019-03-05 01:08:03	@alanz	BUT, being able to provide an on-disk copy for other haskell-lsp users could be a good thing
2019-03-05 01:08:50	@alanz	But to me it seems that mapFileFromVfs is already known to be in the right place/time to update a module, so maybe focus on getting it to work there to start
2019-03-05 01:09:03	@alanz	instead of working it in across multiple libraries.
2019-03-05 01:09:14	mpickering	The reason it makes sense in my head like this is that you need to make a map Url -> FilePath which is what the VFS is
2019-03-05 01:09:18	@alanz	Just an approach, do it whatever way makes sense to you
2019-03-05 01:10:19	@alanz	well, in time I want to feed the changes from the client ide directly into an incremental parser
2019-03-05 01:10:25	@alanz	without ever writing it to a file
2019-03-05 01:10:37	@alanz	but that is down the line still
2019-03-05 01:13:02	@alanz	mpickering, if you do change haskell-lsp, make the dumping of VFS to a file a specific API call, not something that happens all the time
2019-03-05 01:13:09	mpickering	yes
2019-03-05 01:13:21	mpickering	that is how I am doin git
2019-03-05 01:13:29	@alanz	ok, sounds reasonable
2019-03-05 01:14:52	@alanz	I am quite glad to see more language servers starting to make use of haskell-lsp
2019-03-05 01:15:03	@alanz	means we get more contributors.
2019-03-05 01:15:20	@alanz	Hopefully this GSOC we end up with dhall-lsp using it
2019-03-05 01:20:26	pie__	teto, yeah? xD
2019-03-05 01:21:25	@alanz	https://summer.haskell.org/ideas.html#dhall
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2019-03-05 03:37:13	mpickering	alanz: My idea isn't going to work as you need to call `modifyTVar` which lives in `STM`. 
2019-03-05 03:37:25	mpickering	Which just beens all the types come crashing down at that point
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2019-03-05 07:11:11	captjakk	how can I get HIE to load my project with all of its targets?
2019-03-05 07:11:42	captjakk	I have various dependencies that are in my test dependency stanza and HIE things they don't exist
2019-03-05 07:12:34	captjakk	I could add it to global dependencies but I'd rather fix the problem where it is and get HIE to launch with all targets like I would with ghcid etc., I'm willing to write a custom command to do so
2019-03-05 07:12:41	captjakk	Any idea where I'd start?
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2019-03-06 06:42:41	infinisil	I'm not exactly sure where to complain about this problem (probably lsp-ui), but sometimes, the symbols on the right can be a bit too much https://paste.infinisil.com/tCRYijXWZg.png
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2019-03-06 06:43:30	infinisil	:P
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2019-03-06 10:51:38	arpand	is hie participating in gsoc 19? i couldn't find any mention for this year in the summer of haskell repo
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2019-03-06 12:22:46	wz1000	arpand: yes, if you have a proposal for a gsoc project relating to hie, we can probably find mentors.
2019-03-06 12:23:27	wz1000	mpickering might also have a proposal if you're interested.
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2019-03-06 12:45:31	@alanz	infinisil, I agree
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2019-03-06 15:00:50	mpickering	alanz: What's your plan for GSoC this year?
2019-03-06 15:01:13	@alanz	I don't have anything specific, to be honest
2019-03-06 15:01:29	@alanz	Have an idea that bringing in LSIF stuff would be good
2019-03-06 15:01:49	@alanz	And hoping that cabal-helper/ghc-mod/hie-bios can get somewhere
2019-03-06 15:02:03	@alanz	I think dxld said he wanted to apply for that side of things
2019-03-06 15:02:13	mpickering	that would be doable. It would be good if someone could really nail down the hie-bios but I suspect it's easier if me/you/zubin/luke just nail that down ourselves
2019-03-06 15:02:42	mpickering	as what remains to be done is quite fiddly stuff that needs to be done correctly
2019-03-06 15:02:59	@alanz	true. But maybe one of those can do it as GSOC too, to be able to spend the time
2019-03-06 15:03:31	mpickering	I don't know what they are planning
2019-03-06 15:04:12	@alanz	nor me. Will wait and see
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2019-03-06 15:37:43	mpickering	Has anyone seen this error before? 
2019-03-06 15:37:46	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/wFKX50T8/
2019-03-06 15:37:52	mpickering	Using `cabal v2-repl haskell-ide-engine`
2019-03-06 15:38:17	mpickering	ok this is my fault
2019-03-06 16:13:52	fendor	mpickering, i've seen this error quite often on cabal :D 
2019-03-06 16:14:09	mpickering	I don't think you have as it was because I made a mistake in my wrapper script
2019-03-06 16:15:52	fendor	it was when building the branches of `show-build-info` because the build dependencies were out of sync
2019-03-06 16:20:22	mpickering	ah glad you're working on that :D
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2019-03-06 17:48:10	mpickering	I got the file mapping bit working now (nearly) and also using the hooks approach to parse/typecheck a module
2019-03-06 17:48:28	mpickering	now need to sort out the reverse file mapping
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2019-03-06 18:08:11	@alanz	sounds good
2019-03-06 18:08:45	@alanz	nice thig about the hooks approach is we can actually snag multiple modules, as a module and its deps are loaded. With no extra compilation required
2019-03-06 18:16:54	mpickering	yes, I haven't dealt with that yet
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2019-03-06 18:35:40	mpickering	ok the reverse file map works as well
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2019-03-06 23:11:42	mpickering	ok I added stack support to the hie-bios branch as well, thought I should probably do that.
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2019-03-06 23:52:32	@alanz	good, that's important
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2019-03-06 23:54:44	mpickering	It doesn't quite work yet though as I need to add support for setting the path to `ghc`
2019-03-06 23:54:54	mpickering	as otherwise it picks the wrong libdir
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2019-03-07 02:27:48	mpickering	stack support working now
2019-03-07 02:27:52	mpickering	and better than cabal I would say
2019-03-07 02:28:08	mpickering	for all its flaws, stack does provide some nice commands to query the build process
2019-03-07 02:29:12	mpickering	Maybe lukelau will try out my branch now 👀
2019-03-07 02:46:23	lukelau	mpickering: how did you build on your branch? the lsp-hello executable in haskell-lsp is erroring for me
2019-03-07 02:46:47	mpickering	just a normal new-build
2019-03-07 02:47:11	lukelau	ok will try cabal, was using stack
2019-03-07 02:47:15	mpickering	Didn't try any other way of building sorry
2019-03-07 02:47:18	lukelau	I think stack tries to build all executables
2019-03-07 02:47:20	mpickering	new-install is also known to be broken
2019-03-07 02:49:26	@alanz	lukelau, haskell-lsp is currently 0.8.1.0
2019-03-07 02:49:30	@alanz	not 0.8.0.1
2019-03-07 02:49:47	lukelau	Woops
2019-03-07 02:49:51	lukelau	Edited the title
2019-03-07 02:50:37	lukelau	Has anyone tried out 8.6.4 yet?
2019-03-07 02:51:21	mpickering	to build hie or in general?
2019-03-07 02:52:16	lukelau	Either
2019-03-07 02:52:32	lukelau	I’m going to give running hie against an 8.6.4 project
2019-03-07 02:52:37	lukelau	a try
2019-03-07 02:52:39	@alanz	I have it installed, and in my path, but have not tried it yet
2019-03-07 02:52:51	@alanz	hoping the stack nightly will have it tomorrow
2019-03-07 02:52:58	mpickering	I have not tried it either but it isn't very different to 8.6.3
2019-03-07 02:53:49	@alanz	except it theoretically does not blow up on windows when processin TH
2019-03-07 02:56:16	lukelau	It would be great if we could reuse the same hie binary for both 8.6.3 and 8.6.4
2019-03-07 02:57:43	lukelau	wahey it works
2019-03-07 02:57:52	mpickering	What goes wrong usually? I can imagine something might but can't put my finger on what exactly
2019-03-07 02:58:21	lukelau	Normally its ghc whinging about not being able to find the specific version of base
2019-03-07 02:58:36	lukelau	But that’s mainly with the 8.x releases
2019-03-07 02:58:52	lukelau	I’m not sure what was going wrong with sharing 8.6.y releases but something was happening
2019-03-07 03:01:57	mpickering	"it works" = ?
2019-03-07 03:04:44	lukelau	ghc-mod is giving diagnostics
2019-03-07 03:04:58	lukelau	That isn’t “can’t find base”
2019-03-07 03:05:07	lukelau	And they get updated when editing the document etc
2019-03-07 03:07:41	mpickering	oh you mean my branch?
2019-03-07 03:07:50	mpickering	or an 8.6.4 build?
2019-03-07 03:09:52	lukelau	Sorry the 8.6.4 build
2019-03-07 03:10:07	lukelau	*running hie built with ghc 8.6.3 against ghc 8.6.4
2019-03-07 03:10:14	lukelau	Your branch is building atm
2019-03-07 03:10:49	mpickering	ok I imagine it will break somehow but I can tell you how to get it to work hopefully ;)
2019-03-07 03:11:23	lukelau	what command did you run to install hie? `cabal new-install :hie`?
2019-03-07 03:11:34	mpickering	no, I was doing cabal new-build
2019-03-07 03:11:43	mpickering	and then set the path to the hie executable in vscode
2019-03-07 03:11:50	mpickering	I just pushed a commit which fixes new-install though I believe
2019-03-07 03:12:09	lukelau	Is it to do with some compiletime execution and `wrapper/cabal`?
2019-03-07 03:12:17	lukelau	“Exception when trying to run compile-time code:
2019-03-07 03:12:18	lukelau	        wrappers/cabal: openFile: does not exist (No such file or directory)”
2019-03-07 03:12:31	lukelau	But apart from that `cabal new-build` worked a charm which was weird
2019-03-07 03:12:46	mpickering	it's because new-install uses sdist
2019-03-07 03:12:57	mpickering	and I was missing those files from the extra-source-files stanz
2019-03-07 03:12:58	mpickering	a
2019-03-07 03:13:11	lukelau	awesome, just pulled
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2019-03-07 03:30:00	mpickering	going to bed now lukelau, let me know if it works
2019-03-07 03:31:12	lukelau	mpickering: it’s built and installed now, but seems to be very quiet. I presume this is because I built it with 8.6.4 though. Will downgrade and then try again
2019-03-07 03:31:57	mpickering	it should be very noisy
2019-03-07 03:32:15	lukelau	Does it generate diagnostics at the moment?
2019-03-07 03:32:22	mpickering	In the output pane there should be lots of logging
2019-03-07 03:32:23	mpickering	yes
2019-03-07 03:32:33	lukelau	I see logs, but no settypecheckedmodule 
2019-03-07 03:32:39	mpickering	It might take a little while..
2019-03-07 03:32:47	mpickering	which project are you trying it on?
2019-03-07 03:32:57	lukelau	I’m trying it on a single ghc file
2019-03-07 03:32:59	lukelau	*.hs file
2019-03-07 03:33:02	mpickering	ok
2019-03-07 03:33:03	lukelau	With no project
2019-03-07 03:33:10	lukelau	Let me try it on hie itself
2019-03-07 03:33:27	mpickering	There should be somewhere in the log which says "Cradle"
2019-03-07 03:34:10	mpickering	Eventually there will be a log of `setTypecheckedModule: Did get typechecked module for:`
2019-03-07 03:34:23	mpickering	Let me try on a single .hs file then
2019-03-07 03:34:39	lukelau	Getting some other error with dependencies on haskell-ide-engine itself
2019-03-07 03:35:05	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/bubba/87ea8b27d68dbd0be4e10e696f3c459b#file-gistfile1-txt
2019-03-07 03:35:53	mpickering	which version of ghc do you have on your path?
2019-03-07 03:36:02	lukelau	8.6.4 though, so I’m going to downgrade and try again
2019-03-07 03:36:20	mpickering	I just tried a single file and it worked
2019-03-07 03:36:46	mpickering	`Cradle {cradleCurrentDir = "/Users/matt", cradleRootDir = "/Users/matt", cradleOptsProg = CradleAction: default`
2019-03-07 03:37:05	mpickering	That bit indicates that it's not using any special cabal logic for example
2019-03-07 03:37:33	lukelau	Cradle {cradleCurrentDir = "/Users/luke/Source/haskell-ide-engine/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport", cradleRootDir = "/Users/luke/Source/haskell-ide-engine", cradleOptsProg = CradleAction: cabal
2019-03-07 03:38:02	lukelau	Not sure why its complaining about dependencies, since I can cabal new-build fine
2019-03-07 03:38:05	mpickering	right that's expected
2019-03-07 03:38:12	mpickering	well if you look at the floskell.cabal file
2019-03-07 03:38:31	mpickering	it has a bound on transformers of `< 0.5.6.0`
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2019-03-07 03:39:48	mpickering	and the version in 8.6.4 is 0.5.6.1 or something
2019-03-07 03:39:51	mpickering	so that error makes sense
2019-03-07 03:40:18	lukelau	I see now, needed to reconfigure cabal to pick up the new ghc 
2019-03-07 03:41:07	lukelau	It was actually building hie with ghc-8.6.3, but then running `cabal new-build` with `cabal new-configure —with-compiler=ghc-8.6.4` causes it to show the same error
2019-03-07 03:41:11	lukelau	So its working :)
2019-03-07 03:42:29	mpickering	right, I need to make it show a better error for this but there we go. 
2019-03-07 03:52:02	mpickering	things are much more snappy on a single module
2019-03-07 03:52:19	mpickering	I think I need to implement the multi module caching from a single load file
2019-03-07 03:53:48	lukelau	It’s working for me on a single file now!
2019-03-07 03:53:55	lukelau	With 8.6.3
2019-03-07 03:56:00	mpickering	great
2019-03-07 03:57:06	mpickering	now I wonder where to go from here
2019-03-07 03:58:00	lukelau	Generating diagnostics for dependency/cradle errors?
2019-03-07 03:59:41	mpickering	In general though, a list of things which need to be dine before making a PR would be useful
2019-03-07 04:00:32	mpickering	as there are lots of things I could make better but it’s unclesr what is highest priority to HIE maintainers
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2019-03-07 13:02:02	mpickering	What happens if you open two different projects in vscode at the same time? Does HIE deal with setting up two different ghci sessions? 
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2019-03-07 14:22:39	wz1000	mpickering: yes, thats what the cradle switching stuff in runActionWithContext is
2019-03-07 14:22:50	mpickering	How does it work?
2019-03-07 14:23:10	mpickering	It seems complicated to have two different GHC sessions running at the same time
2019-03-07 14:24:26	wz1000	ghc-mod automatically handles setting up and tearing down ghc sessions when the cradle changes
2019-03-07 14:25:38	mpickering	So there is only ever one active session? and if I keep switching between files then it will thrash?
2019-03-07 14:27:20	wz1000	yes, if you switch between files with different cradles
2019-03-07 14:28:27	mpickering	Does ghc-mod make any attempt at the moment to deal with multi component projects?
2019-03-07 14:28:38	mpickering	for example, a test suite which depends on a library
2019-03-07 14:28:45	wz1000	yes
2019-03-07 14:28:56	mpickering	if you modify the library you have to restart the test suite session.
2019-03-07 14:29:13	wz1000	iioh, i'm not sure about that
2019-03-07 14:31:13	mpickering	ghcid does not deal with this as far as I know
2019-03-07 14:31:33	mpickering	if any dependency changes you have to manually perform a restart
2019-03-07 14:33:05	@alanz	mpickering, ghc-mod tries to work out what are internal dependencies and then put together a coherent view of the source, so if the tests depend on an internal lib, it will load the source of the various lib files, rather than the lib itself
2019-03-07 14:33:32	mpickering	that makes sense but in my world, that's the build tools job to decide what kind of environment they want to provide
2019-03-07 14:33:42	@alanz	That is the intent, but it can get screwed up by things like having different flags, paths, enabled extensions, etc
2019-03-07 14:34:03	mpickering	this is why cabal hasn't implemented that yet but stack and obelisk work like that
2019-03-07 14:34:30	@alanz	I think the problem of working with a multi-unit project is quite thorny.
2019-03-07 14:35:02	@alanz	Both multiple targets in one cabal file, and multiple packages in one overarching project
2019-03-07 14:35:15	mpickering	indeed. the cabal support on my branch at the moment is annoying because it only works if a raw `v2-repl` works
2019-03-07 14:35:19	@alanz	And I think the way around it is via something like LSIF
2019-03-07 14:35:33	mpickering	there is no mapping form file to component, stack has support for that
2019-03-07 14:36:07	mpickering	anyway, if we merge in my branch I suspect that cabal maintainers will quickly add the right features to cabal
2019-03-07 14:36:09	@alanz	Because of this problem, I normaly have a dev flag that when set includes the lib as a source dir for the tests
2019-03-07 14:36:16	@alanz	so I can work in the repl with it
2019-03-07 14:46:07	mpickering	I think my plan is to make the session easy to configure on a project by project basis rather than add complicated logic to try to work this stuff out
2019-03-07 15:11:14	@alanz	sounds like a good plan
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2019-03-07 15:11:50	mpickering	ok I made it display a slightly better message when the cradle fails to load now
2019-03-07 15:12:14	mpickering	not really sure the best way to display that, seems like "Diagnostics" are only meant to be used for proper GHC errors
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2019-03-07 15:14:52	@alanz	Diagnostics are fully general, can be used for anything
2019-03-07 15:15:15	@alanz	and can also be sent without a specific file, and mostly get displayed on clients
2019-03-07 15:15:41	mpickering	but most errors are not converted to a diagnostic currently? Just `SourceError`
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2019-03-07 16:45:16	@alanz	mpickering, I have not been following what you are doing in detail.
2019-03-07 16:46:20	@alanz	Diagnostics are sent asynchronously, so we can generate and send them based on whatever criteria we choose. So we can either send error conditions as diagnostics, which may or may not be anchored to a specific file, or as a showMessage
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2019-03-07 23:44:08	@alanz	so, circle gets different failures for my ghc-8.6.4 branch than what I get locally.
2019-03-07 23:44:20	@alanz	https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/2331
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2019-03-08 00:51:41	@alanz	lukelau, if you update for a new compiler, make it a PR, so the rest of us can see the work has happened
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2019-03-08 12:46:52	@alanz	Did not spot this in time: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/monad-dijkstra-0.1.1.2/revisions/
2019-03-08 12:47:07	@alanz	no need for monad-dijkstra submodule. Will remove it
2019-03-08 12:47:38	@alanz	ditto floskell
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2019-03-09 02:33:10	lukelau	alanz: I didn’t make any changes to hie if thats what you’re asking
2019-03-09 02:33:48	lukelau	But yeah I wasn’t expecting the monad-dijkstra PR to get merged so quickly
2019-03-09 02:34:45	lukelau	Did floskell get a metadata revision too?
2019-03-09 02:39:23	lukelau	Looks like it did, but didn’t include the haskell-src-exts bounds increase
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2019-03-10 23:51:45	mpickering	https://twitter.com/deech/status/1104751600852185089
2019-03-10 23:51:52	mpickering	See this thread
2019-03-11 00:11:23	@alanz	mpickering, I saw it
2019-03-11 00:11:35	@alanz	still lots of work to do
2019-03-11 00:12:11	@alanz	People underestimate how much it takes to make a thing "just work" on all the different platforms, compiler versions, build systems, etc
2019-03-11 00:12:20	mpickering	I have been thinking a lot about how you can load multiple components into one HIE session
2019-03-11 00:12:32	mpickering	and it seems like it shouldn't work at all
2019-03-11 00:12:48	mpickering	it makes me feel uneasy thinking about implementing it on my branch
2019-03-11 00:13:09	mpickering	Because you initialise a Ghc session with a certain set of flags, for a certain libdir 
2019-03-11 00:13:14	mpickering	it's meant for compiling one component 
2019-03-11 00:13:32	mpickering	It isn't clear to me that changing the DynFlags is enough to "change the session"
2019-03-11 00:14:57	mpickering	Also is there a way in HIE to turn off the VFS? I think I would prefer it if the reloads only happened on save as they take too long on some projects
2019-03-11 00:15:26	mpickering	I assume vscode doesn't send updates character by character though? Does it have a buffer and sends a sequence of updates at once?
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2019-03-11 11:10:23	wz1000	mpickering: there is no way to turn of the vfs, but iirc there is an option to only enable reloads on save.
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2019-03-11 11:10:42	wz1000	vscode does usually end up sending updates character by character.
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2019-03-11 14:47:19	teto	is hie-wrapper supposed to work with ghc 8.6.4 ? I use /nix/store/ll4k24rdnphfl1dwxwkhfcj3bciki6xi-haskell-ide-engine-0.6.0.0/bin/hie-wrapper, yet LSP client outputs "Mismatching GHC versions: Project is 8.6.4, HIE is 8.6.3"
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2019-03-11 15:11:11	mpickering	teto: Well you need to compile HIE with 8.6.4 probably
2019-03-11 15:19:24	teto	sure, does anyone know how to do that ? I asked here https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix/issues/47
2019-03-11 15:36:12	mpickering	teto: https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix/blob/master/update.sh
2019-03-11 15:36:27	mpickering	Modify that file
2019-03-11 15:36:39	mpickering	https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix#updating-hie
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2019-03-11 16:04:26	teto	mpickering: I looked at the nix code and posted 2 solutions on the same issue thanks
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2019-03-13 08:14:55	georgew	Hi HIE friends.
2019-03-13 08:16:16	georgew	I'd really love to see more HIE work come out of GSOC this year. Does anybody have time to put together a proposal idea and mentor a student? An idea sketch was posted but it hasn't been fleshed out. https://github.com/haskell-org/summer-of-haskell/issues/86
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2019-03-13 12:18:44	wz1000	hi georgew. I have a couple of ideas for HIE, and mpickering was working on a proposal to write a web frontend for .hie files via LSIF. I'll try to put something up in a couple of days.
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2019-03-14 04:21:12	lukelau	alanz wz1000 dxld mpickering georgew: Would extending ghc-lib to support package databases be a feasible GSOC goal? 
2019-03-14 04:22:07	lukelau	Or really any other method of being able to load and handle multiple versions of ghc with one binary
2019-03-14 04:23:02	mpickering	lukelau I am working on this with dxld 
2019-03-14 04:23:16	mpickering	I don't know if I believe in ghc-lib really
2019-03-14 04:23:42	mpickering	are you looking for a project this year?
2019-03-14 04:23:46	lukelau	I have an experimental branch of ghc-mod that uses ghc-lib, it didn’t work
2019-03-14 04:24:07	lukelau	Unfortunately no, as much as I would like to I have to do work placement over the summer as part of my degree
2019-03-14 04:24:10	lukelau	And it’s not in Haskell :(
2019-03-14 04:24:51	lukelau	I wouldn’t be able to put in the 30 hours
2019-03-14 04:25:00	mpickering	can't you get a work placement using haskell :P
2019-03-14 04:25:18	mpickering	you've probably sorted it all out by now
2019-03-14 04:25:37	mpickering	but tweag has supervised people in situations like this before. 
2019-03-14 04:26:29	lukelau	Not very many places in Ireland use haskell, my placement started in January and its in C++ 💀 
2019-03-14 04:26:45	mpickering	sounds very pro
2019-03-14 04:27:43	mpickering	I was hoping you would want to to do a project helping me finish my branch :( 
2019-03-14 04:27:44	lukelau	I’d like to help out somehow if I could anyway
2019-03-14 04:27:47	mpickering	looks like I'm on my own
2019-03-14 04:28:29	lukelau	I think most of the HIE ideas for gsoc would be in the back-end/hie-bios anyway right?
2019-03-14 04:29:18	lukelau	A project could be to help you with manpower
2019-03-14 04:30:25	lukelau	re: multiple ghc versions, “I am working on this with dxld”: working on it within hie-bios?
2019-03-14 04:30:41	mpickering	the problem is it's quite technical and fiddly so it needs someone who knows what they're  doing already
2019-03-14 04:30:50	mpickering	the idea is to make it easy with the ghc api
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2019-03-14 04:31:41	mpickering	here's where we will make some notes https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/wikis/Multi-Session-GHC-API
2019-03-14 04:32:02	mpickering	not very many so far
2019-03-14 04:32:15	mpickering	bed time now, catch you later
2019-03-14 04:32:46	lukelau	night
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2019-03-14 04:53:43	georgew	wz1000: Awesome, thanks
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2019-03-17 17:15:19	Franciman	Hi, is there any news on new-build support?
2019-03-17 17:45:39	mpickering	Franciman: I have a branch with initial support
2019-03-17 17:45:52	mpickering	If you look on github but it is not ready yet
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2019-03-17 23:33:18	Franciman	thanks mpickering 
2019-03-17 23:33:46	mpickering	It involves completely replacing ghc-mod so might be a little while until it is ready sorry
2019-03-17 23:37:55	Franciman	don't be sorry! It's a great job you're doing. Thank you!
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2019-03-20 19:30:15	lmy9901	Will a mouseover document be generated for the .hsc file?
2019-03-20 19:33:23	mpickering	lmy9901: I don't suppose so
2019-03-20 19:35:08	lmy9901	Project A introduces a dependency package via stack.yaml. The dependency package is downloaded to the .stack-work directory. The .hs file and the .hsc file cannot be used to generate documentation. .
2019-03-20 19:35:52	lmy9901	There is no hover prompt for the mouse document. . . Some codes don't understand...
2019-03-20 19:39:57	lmy9901	The .hsc file doesn't seem to generate a document, the .hs file generates a document, and I observed that it might take some time to generate the document.
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2019-03-21 13:59:26	mpickering	wz1000:  Are you still considering a project about LSIF this summer?
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2019-03-21 16:25:39	georgew	I hope so!
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2019-03-22 15:23:30	teto	I've updated today to master and I get messages like "Use camelCase | Found: mptcp_genl_ver = ... Perhaps: mptcpGenlVer = ..". is that a new feature or ?
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2019-03-25 22:11:49	mpickering	fendor: The build-info patch looks very useful thanks
2019-03-25 22:11:54	mpickering	you should have pinged me about it
2019-03-25 22:12:26	fendor	mpickering, oh sorry :( it is not finished yet, though, needs still some patches
2019-03-25 22:13:00	mpickering	I just looked at the sample output which looked perfect!
2019-03-25 22:13:11	fendor	mpickering, not valid json yet, though! 
2019-03-25 22:13:18	mpickering	small detail
2019-03-25 22:13:39	fendor	yeah, i hope to resolve that detail until the end of the next day
2019-03-25 22:14:00	mpickering	what is "source_files" meant to do?
2019-03-25 22:14:09	mpickering	it's empty in your example
2019-03-25 22:15:55	fendor	I can only look at the sources, unfortunately, I do not understand all of it, since it is mainly rebased, not written by me :/
2019-03-25 22:16:23	fendor	it should contain the module path of an executable
2019-03-25 22:18:27	mpickering	It says "any other Haskell sources needed by the component"
2019-03-25 22:18:30	fendor	relevant function: https://hastebin.com/utacupetil.js
2019-03-25 22:18:42	mpickering	ok the path to the executable
2019-03-25 22:18:43	mpickering	thanks
2019-03-25 22:20:18	fendor	domenkozar, why dont you merge the pull request to bump hie-nix version to 0.7.0.0?
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2019-03-25 23:04:11	dxld	alanz[m]: you around?
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2019-03-26 06:15:27	@alanz	dxld, I am now
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2019-03-26 10:33:12	teto	I have this failure with hie "System/Linux/Netlink.hs|74 col 1 error| Could not find module ‘System.Linux.Netlink.C’ Use -v to see a list of the files searched for.". The file is actually called System/Linux/Netlink/C.hsc . How can I make it so that it finds the C.hsc ? It's not my project so I can't rename the file
2019-03-26 10:56:27	teto	opened issue at https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1148
2019-03-26 14:19:16	teto	pb solved.
2019-03-26 14:20:03	teto	can I pass extra arguments to hie ? like I would like to tell hie to search for libraries in a different folder
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2019-03-26 17:39:33	pie_	misc https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%40disconcision%20%23fructure&src=typd
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2019-03-26 18:06:32	fendor	it does not seem to make sense to install hoogle for every ghc version, is it alright to install hoogle only once and generate only once?
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2019-03-26 18:29:28	fendor	mpickering, regarding my pr, you are right, we should not overwrite it, if it already exists. 
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2019-03-26 18:36:45	mpickering	fendor: Is hoogle a runtime dependency of HIE?
2019-03-26 18:37:07	fendor	mpickering, yesish, hie wants a hoogle db, apparently
2019-03-26 18:37:16	fendor	but it doesnt fail if it is not present
2019-03-26 18:37:31	teto	for hover requests I suppose
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2019-03-26 18:45:27	mpickering	fendor: Hmm.. this is why nixos is good isn't it 
2019-03-26 18:46:05	fendor	mpickering, declarative dependency management? I suppose. 
2019-03-26 18:47:06	mpickering	how it manages multiple installations of the same thing for you
2019-03-26 18:47:08	mpickering	so they don't conflict
2019-03-26 18:48:05	fendor	yeah, it is pretty neat. sometimes. 
2019-03-26 18:51:32	fendor	however, how would you like it to install these run-time-ish dependencies?
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2019-03-26 19:04:22	mpickering	fendor: I don't know but if the user has something installed there already it shouldn't overwrite it. 
2019-03-26 19:05:15	fendor	mpickering, while true, we are doing it right now. Also, I dont know how to see whether cabal failed with a general message or that the executable is already symlinked
2019-03-26 19:05:38	fendor	for stack, we could check in the standard location
2019-03-26 19:06:09	mpickering	just thinking about it, if HIE is installing anything then it should install it into its own location and then use absolute paths
2019-03-26 19:06:30	mpickering	but that probably isn't how things are done
2019-03-26 19:06:34	fendor	mpickering, isnt that kind of horrible for binary packages?
2019-03-26 19:06:50	mpickering	it's how nix works
2019-03-26 19:07:20	mpickering	otherwise how can you assume calling `cabal new-install` will make it available at runtime?
2019-03-26 19:07:33	mpickering	you still need to engineer that install location is on the user's path
2019-03-26 19:08:00	fendor	mpickering, that ~/.cabal/bin and ~/.local/bin are in the path is something of a requirement now for installing hie
2019-03-26 19:08:18	fendor	the latter is also required for the hie executable to be found at al  
2019-03-26 19:08:19	fendor	*all
2019-03-26 19:08:32	mpickering	Assuming you build it using stack
2019-03-26 19:09:05	fendor	mpickering, currently, we hie always is copied to the location ~/.local/bin
2019-03-26 19:09:09	mpickering	I don't have stack installed so build it using new-build
2019-03-26 19:09:23	fendor	s/we//
2019-03-26 19:10:13	mpickering	.local/bin is not a bad place to copy to on non-nix systems
2019-03-26 19:11:06	mpickering	so perhaps you should `cabal new-install` to the .local/bin prefix as well?
2019-03-26 19:11:23	mpickering	but NOT if it already exists
2019-03-26 19:11:34	mpickering	the user should have to deal with it themselves then if their system ends up in this state
2019-03-26 19:11:45	fendor	mpickering, you mean the hoogle executable?
2019-03-26 19:14:01	mpickering	yes
2019-03-26 19:16:16	fendor	how about this: we try to find the executable hoogle, if we find it, generate stuff, otherwise, try to install it in ~/.local/bin. If this fails, we fail, otherwise, invoke hoogle generate again?
2019-03-26 19:17:37	mpickering	sounds ok to me
2019-03-26 19:17:54	mpickering	I don't have a strong opinion other than, don't overwrite the user's executable
2019-03-26 19:20:12	fendor	then i will implement that.
2019-03-26 19:21:02	fendor	btw, do you know, does it make sense to install hoogle multiple times? I copied that from the makefile, but afaik, it doesnt make sense to install hoogle for each hie version and then `hoogle generate` 
2019-03-26 20:56:16	mpickering	I don't know sorry
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2019-03-27 11:57:54	teto	How can I tell hie to add a `-i /my/folder` to ghc ? hie doesn't seem to accept such a flag: should i wrap ghc ? or modify the cabal file ?
2019-03-27 12:51:14	wz1000	teto: cabal file
2019-03-27 12:51:55	teto	wz1000: yep I tried but it's ignored because ghc finds it first in GHC_LIBDIR (set by nix)
2019-03-27 12:52:22	teto	currently looking at https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/latest/docs/html/users_guide/packages.html to see how I can ignore the one in ghc_libdir and provide an alternate path afterwards
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2019-03-27 16:19:40	power-fungus_	alanz: I would be in favor of adding `hlint` as an official runtime-dependency. This would make binary-packages a bit more flexible and fendor already agreed to do implementations for this.
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2019-03-27 16:22:17	power-fungus_	Currently, the problem is that the location of hlint-data-files is baked into `hie` at compile-time. This would require that the data-files are also distributed with any binary-package.
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2019-03-27 17:08:58	mpickering	power-fungus_: Why is that necessary
2019-03-27 17:22:44	fendor	mpickering, because of binary packages. Hlint always depends on its data-files. Location of these data-files is known at compile time and the location is compiled into the executable. Thus, If you move the hie executable, the executable dies
2019-03-27 17:23:23	fendor	turning hlint into a run-time dependency shifts the responsibility of having a working hlint installation to the user. 
2019-03-27 17:23:31	fendor	also it would decrease the size of the executable
2019-03-27 17:24:05	fendor	s/the executable dies/ the location of the data-files is no longer known.
2019-03-27 17:38:32	mpickering	fendor: So does hie use hlint via the haskell API?
2019-03-27 17:39:22	mpickering	I would imagine it would deal with finding the config file itself depending on the user config
2019-03-27 17:39:26	mpickering	brb lunch
2019-03-27 17:39:28	mpickering	https://twitter.com/mpickering_/status/1110874588509016064
2019-03-27 17:41:17	fendor	mpickering, correct and no
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2019-03-27 17:41:40	fendor	hlint has the capability of finding its config files, and when these are not present, it crashes
2019-03-27 17:45:21	power-fungus_	currently, as hlint is used by hie, the search for data-files is done by hlint itself.
2019-03-27 17:46:41	power-fungus_	if the data-files are not found, hlint crashes. The location of data-files is baked into hlint that is in hie at compile-time, which means that the hie binary is not copyable to a new machine
2019-03-27 17:52:08	mpickering	what data files does it look for exactly?
2019-03-27 17:52:16	mpickering	seems like something which should be patched in hlint ideally?
2019-03-27 17:53:49	fendor	mpickering, all of these https://github.com/ndmitchell/hlint/tree/master/data
2019-03-27 17:54:13	fendor	especially hlint.yaml and default.yaml 
2019-03-27 17:57:37	mpickering	so the current mode of operation is that hie calls the hlint API
2019-03-27 17:57:52	mpickering	then hlint looks for the data files and sometimes fails
2019-03-27 17:58:03	mpickering	at which point it throws an exception?
2019-03-27 17:58:32	fendor	we look for the config, which might throw an exception if the files are not found, and then we invoke the hlint api with the config
2019-03-27 17:59:03	mpickering	err should hlint not look for the config? how do you maintain the same logic as the hlint executable?
2019-03-27 17:59:18	fendor	this is the logic of the hlint executable
2019-03-27 17:59:48	fendor	almost at least
2019-03-27 18:00:00	fendor	however, the point is still the same
2019-03-27 18:00:51	mpickering	so you can embed a default hlint.yaml file into hie and use that if the search for a configuration file fails?
2019-03-27 18:01:19	fendor	yes, that is my actual proposal in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1143
2019-03-27 18:02:53	mpickering	you should write the file to /tmp rather than the config dir though imo
2019-03-27 18:03:16	mpickering	it sounds ok to me like this but I think it should be preferred to fix this in hlint
2019-03-27 18:03:41	fendor	mpickering, why? then we have to write it every time?
2019-03-27 18:04:13	fendor	why would you prefer file-embed over run-time depedency?
2019-03-27 18:05:02	mpickering	by a runtime dependency you mean that hlint has to be on the path?
2019-03-27 18:05:12	fendor	yes
2019-03-27 18:05:16	mpickering	writing it every time is better than polluting user space with a random file
2019-03-27 18:05:32	mpickering	(imo)
2019-03-27 18:05:44	mpickering	a runtime dependency sounds worse to me than writing a file to /tmp
2019-03-27 18:06:10	mpickering	how do you ensure the users has hlint on the path to begin with?
2019-03-27 18:07:37	fendor	mpickering, the installer installs it, otherwise it is the task of the binary packager to declare hlint as a dependency
2019-03-27 18:08:06	mpickering	this is more complicated than linking against the hlint library
2019-03-27 18:08:19	mpickering	you would have to make a wrapper to specify the location of the hlint dependency
2019-03-27 18:08:25	mpickering	and how do you read the hints back into HIE?
2019-03-27 18:08:29	mpickering	via the json api?
2019-03-27 18:09:29	mpickering	keeping everything in process sounds so much nicer to me ;(
2019-03-27 18:09:42	power-fungus_	indeed
2019-03-27 18:10:09	fendor	mpickering, hlint has a fine looking json api. 
2019-03-27 18:10:29	power-fungus_	however, baking the data-files into `hie` is also quite challenging
2019-03-27 18:10:48	fendor	well, it would love to see what other people think, I am ready to implement my suggestion as well.
2019-03-27 18:11:31	power-fungus_	currently, my `hie` in a fresh test-environment dies with
2019-03-27 18:12:10	fendor	*i would love
2019-03-27 18:12:37	power-fungus_	hie: user error (failed to find requested hint files $HOME/.local/bin/data/hlint.yaml)
2019-03-27 18:16:30	mpickering	power-fungus_: Indeed and I think this should be fixed in hlint
2019-03-27 18:16:44	mpickering	so there's no hlint.yaml finding logic in hie
2019-03-27 18:19:59	fendor	mpickering, it doesnt matter where the hlint.yaml finding happens, it would die anyways
2019-03-27 18:20:45	mpickering	if there was a `--fallback-config` flag to hlint then it wouldn't fail 
2019-03-27 18:20:59	mpickering	or if hlint didn't fail if it couldn't find the file 
2019-03-27 18:21:08	mpickering	or it used a default config itself rather than the data file
2019-03-27 18:23:23	fendor	the default config is located in the data-files. 
2019-03-27 18:23:57	fendor	yeah, we can catch the exception and return IdeResult []
2019-03-27 18:24:02	fendor	or whatever the error message is
2019-03-27 18:28:41	power-fungus_	personally, I consider it a high priority that hie does not die when hlint does
2019-03-27 18:28:59	power-fungus_	independently from the issue about the hlint data-files
2019-03-27 18:29:02	fendor	I can get to that right away
2019-03-27 18:38:14	mpickering	indeed it should catch hlint exceptions I agree with that
2019-03-27 18:38:47	fendor	doing it right now
2019-03-27 18:38:56	mpickering	right but the default config could be a normal haskell value in hlint rather than in this config file which you have to find and read at runtime
2019-03-27 18:39:13	mpickering	because as we have discovered, finding files at runtime is hazardous. 
2019-03-27 18:39:24	power-fungus_	this is what hlint does...
2019-03-27 18:39:38	power-fungus_	should we create an issue on their project?
2019-03-27 18:40:34	mpickering	that's my suggestion yes
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2019-03-27 19:36:19	the_true_potato_	Has anyone gotten an error asking for setup-config?
2019-03-27 19:36:42	the_true_potato_	I'm getting "cabal-helper-wrapper: /home/mpardalos/Documents/Kima/setup-config: openFile: does not exist (No such file or directory)"
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2019-03-27 22:27:55	fendor	mpickering, i wasnt not aware of other functions to catch errors, where are they?
2019-03-27 22:28:19	mpickering	I think `ghandle` is one?
2019-03-27 22:28:26	fendor	ok,thanks, will look at that
2019-03-27 22:28:36	mpickering	they are defined in ghc-mod some of them
2019-03-27 22:28:41	mpickering	but they are not ghc-mod specific things
2019-03-27 22:28:51	mpickering	perhaps have a look and decide whether you can use them
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2019-03-27 22:30:27	fendor	mpickering, however, does it even matter whether I catch all exceptions? I do not catch async ones, and I dont want to crash
2019-03-27 22:31:32	mpickering	the standard worry is about catching interrupts. I'm not sure what is best but it occured to me that it should be thought about
2019-03-27 22:31:48	mpickering	Is that the only place where hlint is called as well?
2019-03-27 22:31:57	fendor	mpickering, are interrupts also SomeExceptions? Thought these are SomeAsyncException or somethign like that
2019-03-27 22:32:10	fendor	I thought SomeException are only for sync exceptions
2019-03-27 22:32:17	mpickering	perhaps not. I'm not sure exactly which is why I asked
2019-03-27 22:32:26	mpickering	If you've thought about it then it's probably fine
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2019-03-27 22:33:26	fendor	i thought about it, but I will double check
2019-03-27 22:34:20	fendor	I could only catch an IOException...
2019-03-27 22:34:45	fendor	the exception handler mechanisms are all from ghc
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2019-03-27 22:57:34	fendor	mpickering, apparently, if the data-files are missing, hlint/cabal throws SomeException? 0.o
2019-03-27 22:57:52	fendor	at least, according to Data.Typeable.typeOf
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2019-03-27 23:14:52	mpickering	fendor: You have to specify what type of exceptions to catch
2019-03-27 23:15:06	mpickering	so if you use typeOf, first you will have set the type to SomeException I think
2019-03-27 23:15:13	fendor	mpickering, yeah, already receiving help for taht on #haskell :D 
2019-03-27 23:27:42	fendor	mpickering, Is it ok to catch IOExcpetions?
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2019-03-27 23:34:40	mpickering	fendor: I think so yes
2019-03-27 23:36:41	fendor	nice! 
2019-03-27 23:36:56	fendor	thanks for catching my beginners mistake!
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2019-03-28 10:33:08	teto	in cabal old-style how can I ignore a package in the global ghc database in favor of a local one in aonther place ?
2019-03-28 10:47:20	mankyKitty	teto: I think some of these options might be useful https://ghc.readthedocs.io/en/8.0.1/packages.html#package-databases you might have to specify them using the `ghc-options:` flag in a cabal file if they're static, or pass them to cabal on the command line 
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2019-03-28 11:57:20	teto	mankyKitty: thanks. I am getting confused after seeing so many parameters. Seems like I want new-style extra-packages option but HIE doesn't work with new-style does it ? 
2019-03-28 11:58:48	mankyKitty	I don't believe so, it is being worked on. But out of a desire to do things the right way, it's a lot of work, as I understand it.
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2019-03-28 14:54:04	mpickering	power-fungus: Catching IOException is like catching all exceptions imo
2019-03-28 14:54:09	mpickering	at least the ones you want to catch
2019-03-28 14:55:08	mpickering	I guess there are probably some others you want to catch but you really don't want to catch async exceptions
2019-03-28 14:55:15	power-fungus	mpickering: I would prefer also catching errors thrown by some non-total function (undefined, head, fromJust ,...)
2019-03-28 14:55:30	power-fungus	this should not bring down hie as a whole
2019-03-28 14:55:36	mpickering	indeed I agree
2019-03-28 14:55:52	mpickering	but that handler should probably be a general mechanism which HIE uses to wrap each external process it calls
2019-03-28 14:56:26	power-fungus	this makes also sense. Do you envision calling the plugins as true external processes?
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2019-03-28 15:04:25	power-fungus	mickering: do you know how other systems solve this issue?
2019-03-28 15:04:56	mpickering	not off the top of my head sorry
2019-03-28 15:05:24	power-fungus	What system would you prefer?
2019-03-28 15:20:33	mpickering	I'm not experienced enough about this to say I think
2019-03-28 15:21:02	mpickering	I'm more worried about at the moment about trying to make things work when everything goes perfectly :P
2019-03-28 15:38:21	power-fungus	mpickering: where should we fix the hlint error?
2019-03-28 15:43:46	mpickering	power-fungus: What do you mean?
2019-03-28 15:45:00	power-fungus	the current issue is that hlint does not find its data-files. I will investigate further why that is the case and what are methods to prevent this
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2019-04-01 22:01:54	mpickering	wz1000: Do you know where the module cache is used to get cached modules? 
2019-04-01 22:02:13	mpickering	It seems to me that if I add a module to the cache and then open another module which is in the cache already it doesn'tuse it
2019-04-01 22:02:19	mpickering	perhaps I have some VFS issue
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2019-04-01 22:21:51	mpickering	it doesn't seem that setTypecheckedModule looks in the cache at all atm
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2019-04-02 00:23:23	mpickering	fendor: If you look in the GhcMod plugin you can see how to get the typecheckedmodule I think
2019-04-02 00:23:31	mpickering	you need to use the ifCachedModule functions 
2019-04-02 00:23:39	fendor	mpickering, already found it :)
2019-04-02 00:23:47	fendor	but thank you :)
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2019-04-02 10:52:20	wz1000	mpickering: withCachedModule and friends in ModuleCache?
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2019-04-02 11:52:43	mpickering	wz1000 I think I was getting confused because setTypecheckedModule made no attempt to use the cache 
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2019-04-02 13:42:08	wz1000	mpickering: setTypecheckedModule is supposed to refresh the cache
2019-04-02 13:42:26	mpickering	wz1000: If you load a module A which depends on B
2019-04-02 13:42:32	mpickering	then when you load A, you can cache B
2019-04-02 13:42:48	mpickering	but when you open B, it reloads everything
2019-04-02 13:42:53	mpickering	which is unecessary
2019-04-02 13:43:18	wz1000	Oh, yes that can be improved
2019-04-02 13:43:39	mpickering	on my branch, when you load A, it caches B
2019-04-02 13:43:40	wz1000	opening B shouldn't reload A as it is though
2019-04-02 13:43:50	mpickering	it doesn't reload A but it does reload B and all its dependencies
2019-04-02 13:43:58	wz1000	Yes
2019-04-02 13:45:42	mpickering	so looks like I have to implement the cache check myself at the start of setTypecheckedModule
2019-04-02 13:47:15	mpickering	shouldn't there be a hash stored in `UriCache` so you can check that the file hasn't changed since the module as added to the cache?
2019-04-02 13:47:36	mpickering	Because if I load A and then modify B in some other way
2019-04-02 13:47:38	mpickering	the cache will be stale
2019-04-02 13:48:08	wz1000	we invalid the cache on lsp change events for that module
2019-04-02 13:48:21	wz1000	so A will be reloaded as soon as there is any change to it
2019-04-02 13:48:45	mpickering	but if you open B, it will use the cached module for B
2019-04-02 13:48:50	mpickering	even though it has since changed
2019-04-02 13:49:12	wz1000	no, when you modify B, it will be reloaded
2019-04-02 13:49:46	wz1000	*modify B in a way that sends LSP change events
2019-04-02 13:50:07	mpickering	right but I am talking about modify B in a way which doesn't send LSP change events
2019-04-02 13:50:52	wz1000	The "truth" hie sees is through the VFS, which is constructed through change events
2019-04-02 13:52:37	mpickering	So, A depends on B. When you load A you also cache B. Then you modify B by some other untracked means. When you load B into vscode, you can't use the cache because B has changed.
2019-04-02 13:53:04	mpickering	So in order to know B has changed you compare the hash stored in the UriCache
2019-04-02 13:53:13	mpickering	if the hash hasn't changed then you can use the cache
2019-04-02 13:53:46	wz1000	ok, yes, that sounds good. Until now the assumption was that a module would only be cached if it was opened in vscode.
2019-04-02 13:54:09	mpickering	right thanks. I thought that was the case. 
2019-04-02 13:54:21	wz1000	But might memory usage not blow up further by caching all dependent modules?
2019-04-02 13:54:59	mpickering	we will see about that. 
2019-04-02 13:55:06	mpickering	It is however much faster if you are working on something like GHC
2019-04-02 13:56:00	mpickering	I am trying to optimise for speed at the moment
2019-04-02 13:56:28	mpickering	The problem you have is that you want to turn on `-fwrite-interface` which speeds up typechecking modules. 
2019-04-02 13:56:43	mpickering	but if you do that then a module can be "loaded" without producing a typechecked source
2019-04-02 13:59:21	wz1000	What about falling back on .hie files in that case?
2019-04-02 14:00:36	mpickering	you can't synthesize  a typechecked module from a .hie file
2019-04-02 14:01:02	wz1000	yes, but most of what we need for HIE can be done with a .hie file
2019-04-02 14:01:23	mpickering	that's a bigger refactoring I don't want to do now
2019-04-02 14:01:27	wz1000	I'm talking about reworking as much of HIE as we can to use .hie files instead of typechecked modules
2019-04-02 14:02:15	mpickering	hmm, not something I want to get into
2019-04-02 14:02:18	mpickering	it restricts what you can do
2019-04-02 14:03:07	wz1000	The main datastructures are LocMap,TypeMap,ModuleMap and DefMap from ArtifactMap
2019-04-02 14:03:18	wz1000	All of those can be easily generated from .hie files
2019-04-02 14:04:13	mpickering	You obviously can't write a plugin which deals with a TypecheckedModule though
2019-04-02 14:04:23	mpickering	which seems quite bad to me as any plugin has to be HIE specific
2019-04-02 14:04:36	mpickering	rather than taking existing GHC API programs and adapting them
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2019-04-02 14:05:58	wz1000	Yes, but for those the plugin can explicitly request a TypecheckedModule, which we can regenerate on demand if we don't have it.
2019-04-02 14:06:37	wz1000	Operations which require the TypecheckedModule should be much rarer than those that don't.
2019-04-02 14:06:43	mpickering	regenerating a typechecked module for a module in GHC can take up to 1 minute
2019-04-02 14:06:49	mpickering	the module graph is about 500 modules
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2019-04-02 14:07:22	mpickering	I am sympathetic to this idea but I don't think it stops proper module caching being useful
2019-04-02 14:07:24	mpickering	you can have both
2019-04-02 14:07:56	wz1000	yes, but what do you do about -fwrite-interface then?
2019-04-02 14:08:52	mpickering	if you are getting the information from hie files then you can still turn it on I think
2019-04-02 14:09:05	mpickering	I don't understand the implications fully yet
2019-04-02 14:09:11	mpickering	which is why I am trying to implement it
2019-04-02 14:12:02	mpickering	there is also quite a lot of confusion in the haskell-ide-engine code base about the difference between a URI and a filepath
2019-04-02 14:12:10	mpickering	did you ever consider making the URI into a newtype?
2019-04-02 14:12:51	wz1000	I thought it already was?
2019-04-02 14:13:09	mpickering	oh then that makes it easier
2019-04-02 14:13:20	mpickering	I just see a lot of lines like "uri' <- liftIO $ canonicalizePath fp"
2019-04-02 14:13:34	wz1000	LSP deals with URIs, GHC,hlint etc deal with FilePaths, so there is an impedance mismatch
2019-04-02 14:14:42	mpickering	but the variable called `uri'` here isn't a uri
2019-04-02 14:14:45	mpickering	it's a filepath
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2019-04-02 14:15:01	mpickering	I will rename it
2019-04-02 14:20:41	mpickering	and `getUriCache` is actually a map from filepaths not uris
2019-04-02 14:20:55	mpickering	but anyway, just something which confused me a little
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2019-04-02 14:40:33	mpickering	wz1000: Is "find all references" supposed to work for an entire project?
2019-04-02 14:46:08	wz1000	no
2019-04-02 14:46:36	wz1000	That is something you really need .hie files for
2019-04-02 14:47:01	wz1000	the references are local to the current file.
2019-04-02 14:47:35	mpickering	why do you need .hie files?
2019-04-02 14:47:56	mpickering	anyway at least I didn't break that. 
2019-04-02 14:48:03	mpickering	now to try turning on `-fwrite-interface`
2019-04-02 14:48:37	wz1000	mpickering: so we can collect all the references without going and loading everything
2019-04-02 14:49:12	mpickering	but you have to load all a modules dependencies in order to load a module?
2019-04-02 14:49:31	mpickering	I admit .hie files would make this more efficient 
2019-04-02 14:50:00	mpickering	you are worried about memory efficiency here?
2019-04-02 14:50:01	wz1000	yes, but references for a symbol in a module aren't in its dependencies, they are in dependant modules
2019-04-02 14:50:36	mpickering	ah of course, good point
2019-04-02 14:50:59	wz1000	So if we want to collect this information, we will have to load essentially the entire project at the same time
2019-04-02 14:50:59	mpickering	loading an entire project at start up is something I was considering though
2019-04-02 14:51:07	mpickering	that's what ghci does
2019-04-02 14:51:28	mpickering	it makes reloads much faster as well.
2019-04-02 14:53:35	wz1000	sometimes you want references even from your package dependencies.
2019-04-02 14:53:52	wz1000	memory usage is already pretty terrible as it is.
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2019-04-02 14:53:59	mpickering	I don't think that is in scope
2019-04-02 14:57:17	mpickering	you are right about memory usage
2019-04-02 14:57:37	mpickering	loading the whole of ghc into hie and caching all the modules takes about 13gb of memory
2019-04-02 14:58:04	mpickering	I will do some profiling to work out what is going wrong
2019-04-02 14:58:06	mpickering	seems like a lot of memory
2019-04-02 15:06:09	mpickering	using hie files as well would mean you can persist them between vscode sessions
2019-04-02 15:06:12	mpickering	which would be nice
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2019-04-02 18:34:15	mpickering	lunabo: I can chat here if you like
2019-04-02 18:34:50	mpickering	let me know when you are around
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2019-04-02 19:58:31	lunabo	mpickering: ah, great. I can't really talk right now, but I will be around again at 17:30 or so
2019-04-02 19:58:50	mpickering	17:30 GMT or?
2019-04-02 20:31:44	lunabo	mpickering: I meant 30 minutes from now, forgot about time zones for a second
2019-04-02 20:33:36	mpickering	ok
2019-04-02 21:54:15	mpickering	lunabo: Hello
2019-04-02 21:55:32	lunabo	mpickering: hi
2019-04-02 21:56:24	mpickering	so tell me what you've look at so far and what you're interested in
2019-04-02 21:57:03	lunabo	mpickering: okay, so I've mainly looked at the autocompletion code of HIE, and I've done a few small experiments with the GHC API to get a sense for how things work
2019-04-02 21:57:40	lunabo	mpickering: I've also looked at how to define a HIE plugin and defined a very simple one
2019-04-02 21:58:24	lunabo	mpickering: and I've read about LSIF, since that was mentioned in one of the GitHub issues on the Haskell summer of code repo
2019-04-02 21:59:13	lunabo	mpickering: one thing which I saw mentioned which seemed interesting to me is getting HIE working on the GHC code base
2019-04-02 21:59:23	lunabo	mpickering: although it wasn't clear to me what the current state of that was
2019-04-02 22:00:20	lunabo	mpickering: and for the LSIF support it seemed like it might be useful although I also wasn't entirely sure what the motivation was
2019-04-02 22:00:44	mpickering	ok sounds good
2019-04-02 22:01:33	mpickering	So getting HIE working on GHC's code base was something I was working on and that works now on my fork - https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1126
2019-04-02 22:01:50	lunabo	alright
2019-04-02 22:02:10	lunabo	I should maybe mention that another thing I thought about was maybe getting multi-project support working, although it's hard for to estimate how much work that would take
2019-04-02 22:02:11	mpickering	the LSIF stuff was my first idea about how to get it to work but that didn't end up working very well
2019-04-02 22:02:22	mpickering	multi-project support for? 
2019-04-02 22:02:46	lunabo	mpickering: for HIE in general. I believe that currently if you try to find references or go to definition it does not work across projects
2019-04-02 22:02:55	mpickering	oh right, but should it :) ?
2019-04-02 22:03:31	mpickering	finding references doesn't even work between modules at the moment in the same project
2019-04-02 22:03:42	mpickering	Did you see https://github.com/mpickering/hie-lsif ?
2019-04-02 22:04:08	lunabo	mpickering: Yes, I also saw that, and I saw some of the comments you made about the LSIF format itself with it quickly becoming very large
2019-04-02 22:04:33	mpickering	That tool is very rough at the moment and lsif is still developing rapidly
2019-04-02 22:06:34	mpickering	It also doesn't support all the features of lsif
2019-04-02 22:06:40	lunabo	mpickering: right, so do you think it would be good to implement LSIF support still?
2019-04-02 22:06:47	mpickering	implement LSIF support in?
2019-04-02 22:07:23	lunabo	mpickering: well if I understand correctly then GHC would generate LSIF files, which are then read from for instance vscode
2019-04-02 22:08:05	mpickering	GHC generates .hie files
2019-04-02 22:08:09	mpickering	which you turn into lsif files
2019-04-02 22:08:57	mpickering	then other tools consume the lsif files. At the moment the only consumer I know about is this plugin for vscode https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode-lsif-extension
2019-04-02 22:09:18	mpickering	but they are planning to release an extension for github prs which uses lsif
2019-04-02 22:09:25	mpickering	so you can use IDE features whilst reviewing a PR
2019-04-02 22:09:32	lunabo	mpickering: I see, so that's the motivation?
2019-04-02 22:09:33	mpickering	we have had a few calls with microsoft about this
2019-04-02 22:10:04	mpickering	The motivation for LSIF at the moment is just for read only situations
2019-04-02 22:10:05	lunabo	mpickering: I was wondering since it seemed like it would be separate from HIE in the sense that it might not easily work for files which you are currently editing
2019-04-02 22:10:21	lunabo	mpickering: I see, that's good to know
2019-04-02 22:10:32	mpickering	that's microsoft's position at the moment on this
2019-04-02 22:11:22	mpickering	but some more work on hie-lsif would be good so that it's ready for when products start being released which use it
2019-04-02 22:11:42	mpickering	I implemented it as fast as possible without using proper LSP types or anything
2019-04-02 22:12:51	mpickering	https://code.visualstudio.com/blogs/2018/12/04/rich-navigation
2019-04-02 22:13:06	mpickering	that's a demo of what they are trying to do
2019-04-02 22:13:31	mpickering	Then there's also this idea of using `.hie` files in haskell-ide-engine
2019-04-02 22:13:59	lunabo	mpickering: what is the purpose of that?
2019-04-02 22:14:21	mpickering	There are a few reasons
2019-04-02 22:14:37	mpickering	At the moment if you load a module A which depends on B then the result of compiling B isn't cached
2019-04-02 22:14:55	mpickering	So if you then open B.hs then it has to recompile it and all its dependencies again
2019-04-02 22:15:22	lunabo	mpickering: the cache you are referring to is the ModuleCache from HIE?
2019-04-02 22:15:28	mpickering	yes 
2019-04-02 22:15:34	mpickering	if you add all the modules to the module cache as you compile them
2019-04-02 22:15:42	mpickering	then HIE uses far too much memory
2019-04-02 22:15:54	mpickering	about 13GB for 500 modules when loading GHC 
2019-04-02 22:16:06	mpickering	so perhaps it's not too much for a normal project
2019-04-02 22:16:11	mpickering	but for GHC it is too much
2019-04-02 22:16:17	lunabo	Ah, so it doesn't keep the entire module dependency tree, but only a part of it?
2019-04-02 22:16:31	mpickering	at the moment it just keeps the module you requested to load
2019-04-02 22:16:48	lunabo	right
2019-04-02 22:17:07	lunabo	and the .hie files would prevent this recompiling
2019-04-02 22:17:19	mpickering	not exactly
2019-04-02 22:17:22	mpickering	it's more subtle than that
2019-04-02 22:17:51	mpickering	The .hi files are what stops the recompilation so you can also store those 
2019-04-02 22:17:54	mpickering	that's a different matter
2019-04-02 22:18:05	mpickering	the point of the .hie files is that if you have loaded module A
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2019-04-02 22:18:31	mpickering	and then do "find all references" for a symbol in A then it can consult all the other .hie files to find references
2019-04-02 22:18:37	mpickering	without having to load the whole module into memory
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2019-04-02 22:18:48	mpickering	in theory, this uses less memory and is faster, in practice, no one knows :P
2019-04-02 22:18:57	lunabo	aha
2019-04-02 22:19:09	mpickering	and most of the queries that HIE performs can be answered by hie files
2019-04-02 22:19:36	mpickering	right, so now back to lsif files
2019-04-02 22:20:07	mpickering	you can potentially use the lsif files to answer these queries for dependencies as well
2019-04-02 22:20:30	mpickering	and that's potentially easier as the format of an lsif file corresponds very closely to the lsp requests
2019-04-02 22:21:08	lunabo	so then HIE would only make use of the LSIF files instead of .hie ?
2019-04-02 22:21:20	mpickering	that's one option
2019-04-02 22:21:26	mpickering	I don't know if that's a good idea or not
2019-04-02 22:22:08	lunabo	also, do the .hie files have similar size issues as the current LSIF format or are they more reasonably sized generally?
2019-04-02 22:22:22	mpickering	they are smaller
2019-04-02 22:24:32	lunabo	mpickering: hmm so what do you think might be a next step for hie-lsif for instance?
2019-04-02 22:25:10	mpickering	At the moment only a small number of requests are implemented
2019-04-02 22:25:15	mpickering	I think mainly references and definitions
2019-04-02 22:25:25	mpickering	So working on that
2019-04-02 22:25:35	mpickering	then also making sure the generated graph passes the validator
2019-04-02 22:25:48	mpickering	https://github.com/jumattos/lsif-util
2019-04-02 22:26:19	mpickering	I think the output could also be compressed somewhat but I didn;t try to do that
2019-04-02 22:26:24	mpickering	the specification mentions some ways
2019-04-02 22:27:51	lunabo	mpickering: alright
2019-04-02 22:28:01	mpickering	one thing we thought about as well was implementing a web frontend for lsif
2019-04-02 22:28:14	mpickering	which takes a LSIF file and renders it as a web page
2019-04-02 22:28:39	mpickering	a bit like a more general version of https://github.com/alexwl/haskell-code-explorer
2019-04-02 22:29:00	mpickering	which could be good as a debugging tool or for quickly sharing code snippets
2019-04-02 22:29:15	lunabo	mpickering: that looks nice as well
2019-04-02 22:29:30	mpickering	you could imagine a command line tool which invoked ghc on a file, and generated the lsif and then uploaded it to a paste site
2019-04-02 22:29:42	mpickering	so people helping could get IDE like features whilst browsing the paste
2019-04-02 22:30:01	lunabo	mpickering: and I guess that would be of interest for other programming languages as well if they just generate LSIF
2019-04-02 22:30:06	mpickering	yes exactly
2019-04-02 22:30:12	mpickering	you just generate a self-contained lsif file
2019-04-02 22:30:20	mpickering	and it includes everything
2019-04-02 22:30:26	mpickering	I think that would be a really nice project
2019-04-02 22:30:33	mpickering	if you're comfortable with web programming
2019-04-02 22:30:43	lunabo	mpickering: yes that does sounds interesting
2019-04-02 22:30:57	lunabo	mpickering: yeah I could mention some of my experience at least
2019-04-02 22:31:31	lunabo	mpickering: so I've been programming in Haskell for about 5-6 years now
2019-04-02 22:31:53	lunabo	mpickering: so I'm pretty comfortable writing code in it
2019-04-02 22:32:10	lunabo	mpickering: and I also have some experience writing network applications
2019-04-02 22:32:19	mpickering	ok it sounds like you know what you're talking about 
2019-04-02 22:33:08	lunabo	mpickering: and I did some things in PureScript, so that might be nice for the web application idea
2019-04-02 22:33:12	lunabo	for the frontend at least
2019-04-02 22:33:38	mpickering	right well the frontend is the interesting bit to start with I think
2019-04-02 22:33:53	mpickering	but probably better to do it using ghcjs if you're going to do it for haskell summer of code
2019-04-02 22:34:00	mpickering	(imo)
2019-04-02 22:34:05	lunabo	mpickering: right, that maybe makes more sense
2019-04-02 22:34:13	mpickering	or reflex
2019-04-02 22:34:46	mpickering	then you can add the backend part if it works out well and want people to actually use it rather than just as a development tool 
2019-04-02 22:35:17	mpickering	I have to go now but is that enough for you to have an idea?
2019-04-02 22:35:32	mpickering	if you want to pursue this then happy to answer more questions.
2019-04-02 22:35:40	lunabo	mpickering: yes I have some idea now, or at least a direction where I can look
2019-04-02 22:35:47	lunabo	mpickering: so thanks a lot
2019-04-02 22:35:54	mpickering	you can only generate hie files in 8.8 btw
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2019-04-03 14:29:30	mpickering	fendor_: Have you ever run the tests on nixos? 
2019-04-03 14:29:51	fendor_	which ones? the ones i wrote or tests in general?
2019-04-03 14:30:22	fendor_	tests in general to work sometimes
2019-04-03 14:30:27	fendor_	*do
2019-04-03 14:30:34	fendor_	not all of them do on my machine
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2019-04-03 14:38:54	mpickering	the tests in general fail for me on my branch because of this stack bug https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/554
2019-04-03 14:40:14	mpickering	also this stack bug is causing me issues - https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/issues/4690
2019-04-03 14:40:29	mpickering	sorry first link should be https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/issues/4539
2019-04-03 14:42:09	fendor_	I observe at least similar problems, I am using cabal for that reason
2019-04-03 14:44:00	mpickering	ok thanks. I don't normally use stack but am trying to make the testsuite work on my branch
2019-04-03 14:44:07	mpickering	which led me to this unfortunate situation of having to understand it
2019-04-03 14:44:59	fendor_	yeah, nixos and stack do not work that well together :(
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2019-04-03 14:47:33	mpickering	what are you working on atm?
2019-04-03 14:49:57	lunabo	mpickering: with regards to using .hie/LSIF files as a cache for HIE, would it make sense to still use the GHC API still be used for getting information about files that are currently being edited?
2019-04-03 14:49:59	lunabo	irw
2019-04-03 14:50:15	fendor_	in hie? not much, waiting for feedback regarding my pr's
2019-04-03 14:51:00	mpickering	lunabo: I'm not sure I understand that question
2019-04-03 14:51:13	mpickering	fendor_: Are there some PRs I should review for hie?
2019-04-03 14:52:20	fendor_	mpickering, if you have the time: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1107
2019-04-03 14:52:32	fendor_	i dont know what the next steps should be, the feature is implemented
2019-04-03 14:52:40	lunabo	mpickering: I mean for getting type information, etc. for a file which is currently being edited, but has not been saved yet.
2019-04-03 14:52:45	fendor_	also, should we merge this https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1153 ?
2019-04-03 14:53:23	lunabo	or does this currently only work by remembering the typecheckedModule from the last time the file was saved?
2019-04-03 14:53:43	mpickering	lunabo: Yes so you still use the GHC API for files you are editing
2019-04-03 14:54:01	mpickering	That is something to explore though
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2019-04-03 14:55:09	fendor_	whooo, incoming review for new-show-build-info! finally, I can get to work again :D 
2019-04-03 14:57:11	mpickering	I am reviewing your other patch as well
2019-04-03 14:58:18	fendor_	thank you!
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2019-04-03 15:07:13	mpickering	fendor_: Did you consider using the `typeMap`?
2019-04-03 15:08:25	fendor_	mpickering, did not yield the expected results when playing around with it
2019-04-03 15:08:40	mpickering	in what way?
2019-04-03 15:08:52	mpickering	your implementation is too expensive I think
2019-04-03 15:09:35	fendor_	mpickering, I cant quite remember, but didnt manage to obtain the information i wanted. I can retry though, my knowledge about hie has changed 
2019-04-03 15:09:45	fendor_	mpickering, what are the expensive operations?
2019-04-03 15:09:45	mpickering	It seems the right thing to me
2019-04-03 15:09:56	mpickering	findIfForName
2019-04-03 15:10:02	mpickering	*findIdForName
2019-04-03 15:10:24	mpickering	If you definitely need something different
2019-04-03 15:10:33	mpickering	the correct way to implement it is to add a new map to CachedInfo
2019-04-03 15:10:45	mpickering	so you don't recompute it on each request
2019-04-03 15:11:01	mpickering	but I would expect the type map to give you what you need
2019-04-03 15:11:20	fendor_	mpickering, ok, thank you, I will look into it again!
2019-04-03 15:12:15	mpickering	I left some other comments but didn't look at your implementation closely as I think you'll be able to make it much simpler
2019-04-03 15:13:00	fendor_	thats great, thanks!
2019-04-03 15:28:52	mpickering	lunabo: It's possible that you could just use hie files rather than GHC API
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2019-04-03 15:29:05	mpickering	a lot of the queries don't need the whole typechecked module structure
2019-04-03 15:30:46	lunabo	mpickering: but in any case you would have to reparse the file if a user has edited it, right?
2019-04-03 15:30:52	mpickering	yes
2019-04-03 15:31:22	lunabo	so then either you would have to regenerate the .hie after the edits, or use the GHC API, it would seem to me
2019-04-03 15:31:36	mpickering	both are the same thing really
2019-04-03 15:31:59	mpickering	you can turn on an extra flag to generate the hie file as you compile the module
2019-04-03 15:33:08	fendor_	mpickering, you were absolutely right, typeMap is what I wanted! 
2019-04-03 15:33:17	fendor_	well... this could have helped like 20 hours ago :D 
2019-04-03 15:33:48	mpickering	there are lots of things I know now which would have helped me 5 years ago
2019-04-03 15:35:30	lunabo	mpickering: does it make any difference whether the GHC API is used for that, or some other way of telling GHC to generate the .hie again? The .hie discussion mentions a desire to have the tooling less coupled to GHC internals
2019-04-03 15:36:02	mpickering	that's more to do with writing functions which traverse the AST
2019-04-03 15:37:36	fendor_	should I prefer `ifCachedInfo` over `withCachedInfo`?
2019-04-03 15:47:27	mpickering	they do different things
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2019-04-03 16:29:32	mpickering	lunabo you should probably be aware that wz1000 will apply for GSoC as well 
2019-04-03 16:29:40	mpickering	So it would be best to avoid overlap in your proposals
2019-04-03 16:29:58	lunabo	mpickering: alright, thanks for letting me know
2019-04-03 16:32:30	mpickering	I think he intends to work on the caching side of things but you should chat about it
2019-04-03 16:32:39	mpickering	There's definitely room for more than one project
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2019-04-04 08:12:53	domenkozar	is there release coming? :)
2019-04-04 08:13:11	domenkozar	I sense folks are preparing tomatoes for my hie-nix
2019-04-04 08:13:14	domenkozar	:D
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2019-04-04 14:15:27	mpickering	domenkozar: I've not seen anything to indicate there is a release coming
2019-04-04 14:16:57	domenkozar	alanz mentioned the aim is to have one each month
2019-04-04 14:18:49	mpickering	right but I've not seen anything this month that a release will happen
2019-04-04 14:20:40	domenkozar	would be nice due to 8.6.4
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2019-04-04 16:33:57	mpickering	wz1000: The majority of time spent loading a module is spent finding types of expressions from my reading of it
2019-04-04 16:35:51	mpickering	collectSpansTypes' is very expensive
2019-04-04 16:36:15	mpickering	and allocates a lot
2019-04-04 16:40:52	mpickering	looks like these generic queries are responsible for most allocation
2019-04-04 16:40:57	mpickering	seems like a very easy win
2019-04-04 16:41:56	mpickering	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/h7kRlp7B/hie.svg
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2019-04-04 17:17:32	wz1000	the same thing that was making .hie files slow
2019-04-04 17:21:49	wz1000	mpickering: try doing the same thing harpocrates did for .hie files(collect type information only for leaves in the AST)
2019-04-04 17:22:19	mpickering	I thought you planned to do this :P 
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2019-04-04 17:53:20	wz1000	mpickering: Instead, I can try solving the underlying issue and save the type of the nodes. IIRC there was a patch by someone that attempted to do exactly this.
2019-04-04 17:56:05	mpickering	in general queries are very slow for me, go to definition etc
2019-04-04 17:56:10	mpickering	I think they could all be optimised
2019-04-04 17:57:15	mpickering	it also seems to me there's some problem with some expensive computations blocking
2019-04-04 17:57:35	mpickering	when you start working on this you can observe all this stuff easily by loading ghc
2019-04-04 17:58:25	wz1000	go to definition is usually instant for me
2019-04-04 17:59:14	mpickering	The profiles are not that helpful though, they report maximum residency of 2gb but I can see HIE is using at least 8gb
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2019-04-04 18:01:02	mpickering	I'll try a non-profiled build. that's a lot faster
2019-04-04 18:36:42	mpickering	lunabo: Have you heard about sourcegraph.com?
2019-04-04 18:39:55	mpickering	Would be good to add support for "window/progress" to haskell-lsp
2019-04-04 18:39:55	mpickering	https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode-languageserver-node/pull/261
2019-04-04 18:42:21	lunabo	lunabo: I have not, looks very similar to the web application idea
2019-04-04 18:42:21	mpickering	hmm hs-boot files are causing issues now
2019-04-04 18:42:37	mpickering	I think they use real language servers rather than LSIF though
2019-04-04 18:43:08	lunabo	ah I was wondering about that
2019-04-04 18:43:43	mpickering	perhaps you could look at how the other language servers are integrated and whether it's possible to add support for HIE
2019-04-04 18:44:36	lunabo	mpickering: yes, might be interesting
2019-04-04 18:44:46	mpickering	They already "support Haskell" https://sourcegraph.com/github.com/pcapriotti/optparse-applicative@72b6e4a52cb0d7e13f390f836ebfe493ff37906c/-/blob/Options/Applicative/BashCompletion.hs#L38:48&tab=references
2019-04-04 18:44:48	mpickering	but they don't really
2019-04-04 18:44:59	mpickering	it's just searching for strings as far as I can tell
2019-04-04 18:47:04	mpickering	https://github.com/sourcegraph/sourcegraph/issues/13
2019-04-04 18:48:31	mpickering	https://github.com/sourcegraph/sourcegraph/blob/313f704f68b6bf77bd417e6f9ce8fa186efb53ca/cmd/symbols/.ctags.d/additional-languages.ctags#L69
2019-04-04 18:51:46	mpickering	So a project could be to write an extension for SourceGraph which adds HIE support
2019-04-04 18:54:02	mpickering	other extensions connect to a server over websockets  https://sourcegraph.com/extensions/sourcegraph/go
2019-04-04 18:54:12	lunabo	mpickering: right. btw, I also will discuss things with alanz tonight to see if I can settle on a definitive idea
2019-04-04 18:58:48	mpickering	that's good, did he suggest some other ideas?
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2019-04-04 19:22:38	lunabo	mpickering: I haven't talked to him about any specifics yet, since I think he was travelling
2019-04-04 19:24:35	lunabo	mpickering: I did talk to wz1000 yesterday and he suggested two additional ideas, namely working on REPL integration for HIE and profiling/optimizing HIE
2019-04-04 19:30:37	mpickering	There's this interface with the debugger as well which I have never tried 
2019-04-04 19:30:38	mpickering	https://github.com/phoityne/haskell-dap
2019-04-04 19:30:44	mpickering	similar to the repl intergration idea
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2019-04-04 19:57:22	@alanz	domenkozar, I just got back from traveling, will be looking at the monthly release in the next day or so
2019-04-04 19:57:48	@alanz	currently in jet-lag mode though
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2019-04-04 20:09:47	mpickering	fendor: Is your type definition patch finished now?
2019-04-04 20:09:56	fendor	imo yes
2019-04-04 20:10:01	fendor	but no integration tests
2019-04-04 20:10:50	mpickering	are those the ones using lsp-test or?
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2019-04-04 20:33:42	fendor	mpickering, yes they are
2019-04-04 20:33:56	fendor	sorry, for late answer, head is in some c program
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2019-04-05 00:08:52	dxld	alanz: what's the current state of hie in emacs? I need some kind of test setup to give mpickering's branch a spin but I don't really feel like using vscode for that
2019-04-05 00:09:37	@alanz	dxld, I use lsp-mode, with haskell-lsp, and last time I checked (a few weeks ago), it just worked
2019-04-05 00:10:00	@alanz	Will hopefully be getting into it again soon, my travels are now over
2019-04-05 00:10:05	mpickering	https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell
2019-04-05 00:10:07	dxld	ah haskell-lsp is the bit I was missing
2019-04-05 00:10:15	dxld	I was wondering where the hie integration part is at
2019-04-05 00:10:59	mpickering	I think the only person to have recently used my branch is me so let me know if it doesn't work and I'll tell you how to fix it
2019-04-05 00:11:04	dxld	hmm, so haskell-lsp or lsp-haskell :)
2019-04-05 00:11:39	mpickering	Isn't haskell-lsp a haskell library?
2019-04-05 00:11:39	dxld	I was going to just extend the hie test suite but I can't get that working at all
2019-04-05 00:11:53	dxld	it just barfs immediately and then hangs for a bit
2019-04-05 00:12:08	dxld	that's what I thought too :)
2019-04-05 00:12:23	dxld	alanz: maybe you ought to rename it haskell-lsp-el or something
2019-04-05 00:12:38	@alanz	dxld, maybe
2019-04-05 00:12:55	dxld	though I would go for hie-el or something instead
2019-04-05 00:13:04	dxld	but I dunno the naming conventions in lsp land
2019-04-05 00:13:22	mpickering	dxld: I fixed some errors building the test suite but then it started hanging so left it
2019-04-05 00:13:35	dxld	on your branch it doesn't even build :)
2019-04-05 00:13:36	@alanz	well, that kind of ties in with the emacs-lsp naming convention
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2019-04-05 00:14:46	mpickering	indeed it doesn't
2019-04-05 00:15:09	dxld	alanz: but seriously what's the difference between your haskell-lsp and emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell?
2019-04-05 00:15:26	dxld	is the latter just something someone else started writing?
2019-04-05 00:16:22	@alanz	haskell-lsp is a haskell library for LSP, to be used by language servers
2019-04-05 00:16:38	dxld	ohhh
2019-04-05 00:16:42	@alanz	emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell is the language specific part of lsp-mode for haskell
2019-04-05 00:16:54	dxld	the language color on github looked like elisp to me xD
2019-04-05 00:17:11	dxld	damn you dark-reader 
2019-04-05 00:17:44	dxld	so when you said "I use lsp-mode, with haskell-lsp" you meant lsp-haskell?
2019-04-05 00:18:43	dxld	alanz: ^
2019-04-05 00:19:37	mpickering	AndreasK has managed to use my branch on windows, hurray. 
2019-04-05 00:23:33	@alanz	nice
2019-04-05 00:23:39	@alanz	wz1000, ping
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2019-04-05 00:24:14	@alanz	I just checked the GSOC eligibilty rules at https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/rules/
2019-04-05 00:24:23	@alanz	only allowed to do it twice, as a student
2019-04-05 00:24:41	@alanz	7.1.b.iv
2019-04-05 00:24:49	mpickering	I said this already alanz 
2019-04-05 00:24:57	mpickering	He he said the first time was a haskell summer of code
2019-04-05 00:25:03	@alanz	nice
2019-04-05 00:25:46	@alanz	I'm just chatting to lunabo, don't want him to choose something else, if wz1000 is not eligible for the .hie stuff
2019-04-05 00:27:10	mpickering	did zubin send you his plan already? it sounded good to me
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2019-04-05 00:27:52	@alanz	I have not seen it, he may have sent it, I am catching up on a massive backlog at the moment
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2019-04-05 00:37:11	mpickering	did you get it working then dxld ?
2019-04-05 00:37:23	dxld	still fiddling with the emacs config
2019-04-05 00:39:10	@alanz	dxld, this is my setup: https://gist.github.com/alanz/a95a35cfb7cdff7b4df63894a2d488d7
2019-04-05 00:39:15	@alanz	from line 180 or so
2019-04-05 00:39:21	dxld	i got it loading now
2019-04-05 00:39:38	dxld	was just missing some dependencies because I'm installing from git and not elpa
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2019-04-05 00:56:01	@alanz	lukelau, ping
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2019-04-05 01:07:12	dxld	ok, got it now
2019-04-05 01:07:45	dxld	how do I get it to start the lsp server? just says disconnected so far
2019-04-05 01:08:11	@alanz	is hie-wrapper / hie in your $PATH?
2019-04-05 01:08:20	dxld	I did (setq lsp-haskell-process-path-hie (shell-command-to-string "cabal new-exec -- which hie"))
2019-04-05 01:08:24	dxld	so I get the new-build binary
2019-04-05 01:08:31	dxld	I hope that's the right varaible?
2019-04-05 01:08:51	@alanz	No idea, would have to check the code first
2019-04-05 01:09:01	dxld	it says to set that to hie-wrapper in the README
2019-04-05 01:09:12	dxld	"""The path for starting the haskell-ide-engine"""
2019-04-05 01:09:17	dxld	so I assume that right
2019-04-05 01:09:19	@alanz	But probably best to look at the surrounding code to see exactly what is happening
2019-04-05 01:09:40	dxld	but I get "LSP :: No LSP server for haskell-mode" in *Messages*
2019-04-05 01:09:56	dxld	I'd guess that's the problem
2019-04-05 01:11:06	@alanz	I just tried running ""cabal new-exec -- which hie" in a few places
2019-04-05 01:11:15	@alanz	it gives junk quite a lot of the time
2019-04-05 01:11:30	dxld	I'm starting emacs with CWD in the hie dev tree btw
2019-04-05 01:11:46	dxld	I have a seperate init.el for the test emacs instance
2019-04-05 01:11:54	dxld	so I don't have to kill my main emacs all the time
2019-04-05 01:12:27	dxld	and I just verified that the value of the var is correct for me
2019-04-05 01:21:02	mpickering	dxld: You know hie-wrapper is not hie?
2019-04-05 01:21:14	mpickering	so perhaps you need cabal new-exec which hie-wrapper
2019-04-05 01:21:19	dxld	yeah, it starts the right hie per ghc version AFAIK
2019-04-05 01:21:30	dxld	but I just want the one I just built
2019-04-05 01:21:52	dxld	regardless of what's going on with the emacs stuff it seems I'm getting the wrong cradle
2019-04-05 01:22:02	dxld	it's going with stack instead of cabal like I want
2019-04-05 01:22:29	dxld	I already tried fudging the order of implicitConfig in your code, that should do it, right?
2019-04-05 01:23:16	dxld	but it doesn't even seem to get there, if I add some debug printing there it doesn't show up
2019-04-05 01:23:47	mpickering	there should be lots of stuff being sent to output if it's my branch
2019-04-05 01:23:52	mpickering	which you can paste here and I can understand
2019-04-05 01:24:12	mpickering	are you rebuilding hie after changing hie-bios?
2019-04-05 01:24:23	mpickering	if you run new-build inside hie-bios it doesn't rebuild everything
2019-04-05 01:24:27	dxld	new-build should do that right?
2019-04-05 01:24:36	dxld	nah I'm at the top level
2019-04-05 01:24:39	mpickering	yes but from the top-level
2019-04-05 01:24:50	mpickering	You can force it to use cabal by adding a hie.dhall file
2019-04-05 01:25:10	mpickering	`{ cradle = CradleConfig.Cabal { component = "lib:haskell-ide-engine" } }`
2019-04-05 01:25:53	dxld	for starters I'm just going to do a clean rebuild
2019-04-05 01:26:02	dxld	I did switch around between master and your branch a bit
2019-04-05 01:26:06	dxld	so maybe something just broke there
2019-04-05 01:26:29	mpickering	the implicit cabal support isn't very good as it doesn't work if v2-repl doesn't work on its own
2019-04-05 01:26:37	dxld	yeah I saw
2019-04-05 01:26:52	dxld	but I'm not seeing your code run at all is the problem
2019-04-05 01:27:45	mpickering	that does sound like a problem
2019-04-05 01:28:17	dxld	all I get is
2019-04-05 01:28:23	dxld	2019-04-04 21:58:05.32075502 [ThreadId 4] - Using stack GHC version
2019-04-05 01:28:23	dxld	2019-04-04 21:58:05.434414678 [ThreadId 4] - Mismatching GHC versions: Project is 8.6.3, HIE is 8.4.4
2019-04-05 01:28:26	dxld	2019-04-04 21:58:05.434849233 [ThreadId 4] - Run entered for HIE(hie) Version 0.6.0.0 (2488 commits) x86_64 ghc-8.4.4
2019-04-05 01:28:29	dxld	2019-04-04 21:58:05.435315776 [ThreadId 4] - Current directory:/home/dxld/share/dev/hs/haskell-ide-engine
2019-04-05 01:28:36	dxld	with $ cabal new-run hie
2019-04-05 01:29:01	dxld	I'm positive I'm on the right branch before you ask :)
2019-04-05 01:29:14	mpickering	shouldn't it say Git revision 117636e5870da585d2ed830cbcac11dba6ad02bc (dirty)
2019-04-05 01:29:30	dxld	hmmm indeed
2019-04-05 01:30:41	dxld	eh
2019-04-05 01:30:50	dxld	it just prints Paths_*.version
2019-04-05 01:31:06	dxld	that wouldn't have the git commit
2019-04-05 01:31:22	dxld	this is a clean rebuild on your branch now though
2019-04-05 01:31:50	dxld	ah
2019-04-05 01:32:08	dxld	getProjectGhcVersion is it's own thing -,-
2019-04-05 01:32:28	dxld	so that log message about the mismatch is just wrong because it doesn't respect what I did in implicitConfig
2019-04-05 01:33:03	dxld	so I guess I do have to get the emacs side working to see anything happen
2019-04-05 01:33:25	dxld	but I was hoping it wasn't starting because of the version mismatch :)
2019-04-05 01:39:01	mpickering	getProjectGhcVersion either looks at path or stack iirc
2019-04-05 01:39:16	mpickering	can't remember if it's fatal or not
2019-04-05 01:39:22	dxld	yeah it's completely disconnected from the ghc-mod/hie-bios bits
2019-04-05 01:39:38	dxld	nah it's only a warning
2019-04-05 01:40:06	dxld	I assume hie-bios just doesn't get invoked until I actually send it an lsp command
2019-04-05 01:40:12	dxld	which would need the emacs stuff working
2019-04-05 01:41:09	mpickering	yes
2019-04-05 01:41:22	mpickering	there is a simple executable provided by hie-bios which you can use to test the cradle
2019-04-05 01:41:35	mpickering	I haven't run it in a while though
2019-04-05 01:42:01	dxld	exe:hie-bios?
2019-04-05 01:42:06	dxld	just says "Nothing" :)
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2019-04-05 01:42:27	mpickering	biosc I think
2019-04-05 01:42:45	dxld	yeah, thats what cabal did start actuallyu
2019-04-05 01:42:58	dxld	good cabal, you so smart, know what I mean :)
2019-04-05 01:43:35	mpickering	`cabal new-run biosc -- check /dir`
2019-04-05 01:44:23	dxld	what's the /dir bit?
2019-04-05 01:44:32	mpickering	the directory you want to start the search from
2019-04-05 01:45:15	dxld	nah
2019-04-05 01:45:21	mpickering	or a file
2019-04-05 01:45:23	dxld	it does getCurrentDirectory >>= findCradle
2019-04-05 01:45:27	mpickering	this is probably a waste of time
2019-04-05 01:45:39	mpickering	as I have not used this since I started
2019-04-05 01:45:51	dxld	mhm
2019-04-05 01:45:58	dxld	I just have to debug the emacs stuff
2019-04-05 01:46:09	mpickering	It should really print out loads of stuff
2019-04-05 01:46:23	mpickering	so it's not my problem until you have loads of output to show me.. :)
2019-04-05 01:46:38	dxld	yeah sure seems like
2019-04-05 01:47:04	dxld	I'm not really in the mood for elisp debugging now though
2019-04-05 01:47:08	dxld	so I'll do that later
2019-04-05 01:52:57	mpickering	you could try in vscode
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2019-04-05 04:30:19	ar1a	logs link 403s 
2019-04-05 04:30:35	ar1a	https://i.imgur.com/Ism6hPu.png
2019-04-05 04:31:20	ar1a	domenkozar: any update on hie-nix? 
2019-04-05 07:39:35	domenkozar	@alanz | domenkozar, I just got back from traveling, will be looking at the monthly release in the next day or so
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2019-04-05 11:04:50	wz1000	alanz: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/9eb1eb821cc6ca528f8cdffe0778ffbf
2019-04-05 11:05:28	wz1000	I'm pretty sure I'm eligible. In 2017 I participated in HSOC, not GSOC.
2019-04-05 11:17:30	georgew	Strongly agree
2019-04-05 11:25:07	mpickering	Shayan last year was in the same position
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2019-04-05 12:04:09	@alanz	wz1000, that is good news
2019-04-05 12:04:38	@alanz	domenkozar, I am likely to get the release out over the weekend
2019-04-05 12:09:41	domenkozar	\o/
2019-04-05 12:10:17	domenkozar	wat, students can only apply once to gsoc?
2019-04-05 12:10:28	domenkozar	I guess I was privileged to do it three times
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2019-04-05 12:12:37	@alanz	domenkozar, allowed to do it twice only
2019-04-05 12:12:47	@alanz	or rather, no more than twice, to cater for guys like you
2019-04-05 12:14:31	domenkozar	oh ok :) I guess that's a good balance
2019-04-05 12:15:28	@alanz	yes, it does make some kind of sense
2019-04-05 12:56:35	@alanz	wz1000, your proposal looks good
2019-04-05 12:57:51	@alanz	And I am suggesting to lunabo to put forward a "general experience improvement, close tickets" proposal, because there are a whole lot of smallish things that need doing, that can really help with the overall experience
2019-04-05 12:58:06	@alanz	mpickering, ^^
2019-04-05 13:16:15	mpickering	ok, what kind of tasks?
2019-04-05 13:16:32	mpickering	this sounds similar to the kinds of things that zubin is suggesting
2019-04-05 13:18:47	@alanz	well, wz1000 has specific relatively high-level ones. I was thinking more of the various tickets marked as enhancements, and so on
2019-04-05 13:19:21	mpickering	btw what do you think to this? https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/issues/144
2019-04-05 13:19:29	@alanz	Because I think getting the .hie stuff properly in is going to take quite a while 
2019-04-05 13:19:39	@alanz	also updating to the latest LSP spec, and so on
2019-04-05 13:19:40	mpickering	I think 1 week perhaps :P
2019-04-05 13:20:18	@alanz	it depends what we drive the progress report from
2019-04-05 13:20:39	mpickering	I mean more the general concept of implementing window/progress even though it's not in the lsp spec
2019-04-05 13:20:50	mpickering	because as far as I understand some clients and servers implement it
2019-04-05 13:21:47	@alanz	yes, I think it is a good idea
2019-04-05 13:22:17	mpickering	https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/pull/245
2019-04-05 13:22:36	mpickering	because when you load a big project into HIE it looks like it hangs
2019-04-05 13:22:44	mpickering	ok good, perhaps lunabo could pick that one up as well
2019-04-05 13:28:47	@alanz	yes, there are lots of "paper-cut" tasks, no one is huge, but can make a big difference to the overall experience
2019-04-05 13:29:24	@alanz	including things like extending what code actions are available based on GHC error messages, and the like
2019-04-05 13:29:31	mpickering	I'm most interested (as you may guess) in making the basic features work reliably 
2019-04-05 13:29:44	mpickering	like hover/go to definition/references
2019-04-05 13:29:51	@alanz	yes
2019-04-05 13:30:19	mpickering	also improving reload times and so on
2019-04-05 13:30:46	@alanz	general usability improvements, basically
2019-04-05 13:31:18	@alanz	We have got to the point where the core concept is proven, time to start the optimisation, corner case chase-downs, and so on
2019-04-05 13:31:20	mpickering	when you try my branch out you can comment about whether you think it's more responsive or not.. as I don't know but I expect it might be. 
2019-04-05 13:31:40	mpickering	as it writes .hi files which to my knowledge didn't happen before
2019-04-05 13:31:57	@alanz	ok, have still not had a large enough chunk of time to look, still catching up on backlog
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2019-04-05 14:05:36	georgew	(Rather selfishly) my greatest desire is new-build support
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2019-04-05 14:06:55	mpickering	georgew: That's already implemented on my branch. You are welcome to try it if you like.
2019-04-05 14:07:45	mpickering	I'm trying to package it like hie-nix now so it's easier to try
2019-04-05 14:08:50	georgew	That sounds delightful
2019-04-05 14:09:14	georgew	It is Friday night in Australia and my mind couldn't be further from programming :)
2019-04-05 14:09:21	georgew	I'll look on Australian Monday
2019-04-05 14:10:42	fendor	mpickering, new-build is already working? 0.o I thought, that we'd need the cabal command show-build-info?
2019-04-05 14:10:53	mpickering	fendor: You have to specify the component you want to load
2019-04-05 14:11:00	fendor	oh, ok
2019-04-05 14:11:16	mpickering	The show-build-info is supposed to make the implicit search better
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2019-04-05 14:11:41	mpickering	But I don't deem that necessary as you have to specify the target for ghcid as well
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2019-04-05 15:35:43	mpickering	fendor: If you want to try my branch I just uploaded the binary to cachix
2019-04-05 15:35:57	mpickering	`cachix use mpickering` then `nix run -f https://github.com/mpickering/hie-nix/archive/master.tar.gz hie86`
2019-04-05 15:38:41	fendor	thx, will try!
2019-04-05 15:39:58	mpickering	You can see the README about the configuration options - https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/hie-bios/hie-bios/README.md
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2019-04-05 20:25:48	@alanz	I am going to start preparing the belated monthly release. Is there anything I need to wait for?
2019-04-05 20:32:53	mpickering	the type definition patch is nearly ready I think
2019-04-05 20:32:58	mpickering	it is just missing integration tests
2019-04-05 20:33:06	mpickering	so either you can wait for those or merge it
2019-04-05 20:42:56	@alanz	#1107?
2019-04-05 20:43:20	@alanz	I think release without it, based on my PR https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1162
2019-04-05 20:43:40	@alanz	then bring it in and let it stabilise for a bit, if needed
2019-04-05 20:43:46	@alanz	This release is already late
2019-04-05 20:43:50	@alanz	mpickering, ^^^
2019-04-05 20:43:53	@alanz	thoughts?
2019-04-05 20:44:04	mpickering	sure 
2019-04-05 20:44:43	@alanz	For me the monthly release is more of a strobe, and I prefer to not put new functionality in too close to the end
2019-04-05 20:53:23	fendor	alanz, I agree, i was going to suggest #1107, but integration tests are not done yet and I'd like to test it a bit.
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2019-04-05 21:48:29	mpickering	I am trying to build with stack-8.6.4 and it complains about the dependency bounds on floskell
2019-04-05 21:48:31	mpickering	I thought this was fixed
2019-04-05 21:51:17	mpickering	rebase error
2019-04-05 21:51:18	mpickering	fixed
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2019-04-06 01:01:07	dxld	alanz: I think I got lsp-mode sorta working now
2019-04-06 01:01:22	dxld	how do I actually get it to do anything?
2019-04-06 01:14:46	dxld	I can see it sending stuff to hie as I type but I'm not getting anything back
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2019-04-06 03:15:21	mpickering	dxld: If you're using my branch can you paste some output from the console?
2019-04-06 03:16:49	mpickering	domenkozar: I am trying to use hie-nix but stack2nix always fails with baffling errors about "Server does not allow request for unadvertised object"
2019-04-06 03:17:00	mpickering	when the remote definitely contains that commit 
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2019-04-06 03:30:00	michaelpj	mpickering: are you sure it contains that? I got that when I idly tried to build from your hie-nix again, and it doesn't look like your `hie-bios` branch has the commit that it complains about looking for
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2019-04-06 03:32:32	mpickering	That commit is from floskell
2019-04-06 03:32:35	mpickering	it's a submodule commit
2019-04-06 03:32:57	mpickering	The 9b9fe commit yes?
2019-04-06 03:33:09	mpickering	https://github.com/ennocramer/floskell/commit/9b9fe8b651b432209b7d7c170697cb6400a41185
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2019-04-06 03:33:41	mpickering	michaelpj: I tried other commits as well and it still fails to fetch them
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2019-04-06 03:35:44	michaelpj	I got it complaining about a commit from `mpickering/haskell-ide-engine`...
2019-04-06 03:36:03	mpickering	oh right
2019-04-06 03:36:07	mpickering	let me push perhaps..
2019-04-06 03:36:22	mpickering	I rebased you see
2019-04-06 03:36:23	michaelpj	haha I probably shouldn't have expected that to work ;)
2019-04-06 03:36:36	mpickering	Which means the hie-nix stopped working
2019-04-06 03:36:44	mpickering	but then I couldn't get hie-nix to work 
2019-04-06 03:36:52	mpickering	(because I force pushed to the branch)
2019-04-06 03:42:09	mpickering	I just discovered a temporary folder called `s2n` but deleting that didn't help either
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2019-04-06 03:49:32	mpickering	copying the temp dir stack2nix uses and running "git submodule update --init" works..
2019-04-06 03:54:13	fendor	mpickering, install.hs is too much overhead or too annoying on nixos?
2019-04-06 03:54:35	mpickering	If I use a nix derivation then people can download it from the binary cache
2019-04-06 03:54:38	mpickering	with one command
2019-04-06 03:54:50	fendor	mpickering, right, that is a nice feature!
2019-04-06 03:55:09	fendor	sorry, i thought it was something different. Just ignore.
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2019-04-06 06:31:47	infinisil	michaelpj: mpickering: Btw, I'm currently working on providing nix builds for all ghc versions, stable and master hie. With a very good script for updating (written in haskell itself).
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2019-04-06 08:41:33	eacameron	alanz: I'm unfamiliar with ghc-mod and hie but I'd like to add support for obelisk projects (reflex app infra). A typical reflex app has multiple cabal packages. Right now we use ghcid with ghci extensively and just tell it what modules to load. Does hie work on modules directly like that, or only on cabal projects?
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2019-04-06 12:16:52	mpickering	eacameron: There are some bugs in ghc which are blocking but obelisk works on my branch already
2019-04-06 12:17:07	mpickering	(if your project doesn't use jsaddle-dom
2019-04-06 12:18:03	mpickering	In particular, this needs to be investigated, https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/issues/15455
2019-04-06 12:18:16	mpickering	so any effort in doing that would help out
2019-04-06 13:21:13	mpickering	michaelpj: I updated to the 8.6.4 version now but haven't tested it in vscode after doing a rebase so fingers crossed. 
2019-04-06 13:21:26	mpickering	`cachix use mpickering` then `nix run -f https://github.com/mpickering/hie-nix/archive/master.tar.gz hie86`
2019-04-06 13:36:46	@alanz	domenkozar, 0.8.0.0 has been tagged
2019-04-06 13:55:34	domenkozar	\o/
2019-04-06 14:02:36	@alanz	A bit late, but done at least
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2019-04-06 16:41:34	eacameron	mpickering: Ah yes I've been looking at your branch but I'm confused why it helps. It just exposes ghci configs but it seemed to me that hie wanted to use cabal
2019-04-06 16:45:48	mpickering	Did you use my branch of HIE? 
2019-04-06 16:46:28	mpickering	I guess not
2019-04-06 16:47:18	mpickering	There's a nix one liner you can use to try it
2019-04-06 16:48:22	eacameron	No I didn't but I'm trying to understand it.
2019-04-06 16:48:31	eacameron	Where is that nix?
2019-04-06 16:48:44	mpickering	Message at 8:51am
2019-04-06 16:49:05	mpickering	You need my fork of obelisk as well obviously 
2019-04-06 16:49:18	mpickering	But I understand that's easy to achieve 
2019-04-06 16:52:10	mpickering	Also be wary this is very experimental so there will be rough edges
2019-04-06 18:39:18	eacameron	mpickering Right. I'm hoping to work on that, but I'm not sure what nix you're referring to
2019-04-06 18:40:53	mpickering	8:51 AM <mpickering> `cachix use mpickering` then `nix run -f https://github.com/mpickering/hie-nix/archive/master.tar.gz hie86`
2019-04-06 18:41:06	mpickering	Will give you an 8.6.4 hie 
2019-04-06 18:57:26	dxld	mpickering: did you add any debug out to stdout on yor branch? lsp-mode is complaining about a stray "Nothing" in a message
2019-04-06 19:07:22	wz1000	alanz, mpickering, dxld: I'm submitting my proposal: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f3uH5rY11fChRqhgqXrN8JbMDUcwM7kP/view
2019-04-06 19:08:54	@alanz	wz1000, lgtm
2019-04-06 19:09:06	@alanz	dxld, are you submitting one?
2019-04-06 19:09:17	@alanz	lunabo, ?
2019-04-06 19:09:39	mpickering	dxld: shouldn't be anything on stdout
2019-04-06 19:09:52	mpickering	Vscode breaks if there is
2019-04-06 19:09:58	dxld	it hasn't happend again so far, weird
2019-04-06 19:10:12	mpickering	It should produce a lot of logs on stderr though
2019-04-06 19:10:24	dxld	yeah I'm finally getting those
2019-04-06 19:12:37	mpickering	wz1000: I will comment later, out at the moment
2019-04-06 19:13:04	dxld	alanz: that would be the plan, but I'm still writing it
2019-04-06 19:13:20	dxld	alanz: for me lsp-mode+haskell-lsp is quite broken btw.
2019-04-06 19:13:33	dxld	it's erroring left and right and I don't know what's going on
2019-04-06 19:13:51	dxld	it kinda does stuff but I can't actaully get it to do anything productive
2019-04-06 19:14:14	mpickering	Perhaps it is getting confused by stderr
2019-04-06 19:14:25	dxld	I even set up a completely pristine init.el for emacs and it's still broken, so it's not interaction with my setup
2019-04-06 19:14:36	mpickering	It might be worth reducing the number of variables and testing using vscode
2019-04-06 19:14:38	dxld	it's nicely logging that to it's own buffer actually
2019-04-06 19:16:23	mpickering	What do the errors look like? 
2019-04-06 19:16:53	dxld	I think the last actual error I have is it complaining about the hoogle db
2019-04-06 19:17:04	dxld	your logs look successful
2019-04-06 19:17:50	dxld	but I just checked and that doesn't seem to be fatal either
2019-04-06 19:17:55	dxld	only an info message
2019-04-06 19:20:58	@alanz	dxld, is that the one running normal hie, or mpickering's branch?
2019-04-06 19:21:06	dxld	mpickering's
2019-04-06 19:21:15	dxld	I guess i could try with master
2019-04-06 19:21:35	@alanz	yes, I have no idea how it behaves with his one
2019-04-06 19:21:37	dxld	lsp-mode is throwing a bunch of these: error in process filter: or: Symbol’s value as variable is void: method
2019-04-06 19:21:50	@alanz	I guess I should experiment with it some time
2019-04-06 19:22:09	dxld	I just don't see how it could be that broken
2019-04-06 19:22:22	dxld	he didn't change any protocol aspects AFAICT
2019-04-06 19:22:53	@alanz	well, I have been using it for some time (modulo the last three weeks), and just fired up hie in it again and it works fine
2019-04-06 19:22:59	@alanz	with the current master
2019-04-06 19:23:03	dxld	hmm
2019-04-06 19:24:23	@alanz	btw, it needs at least emacs 26
2019-04-06 19:24:34	dxld	got 26.1
2019-04-06 19:24:35	@alanz	I am using 26.1
2019-04-06 19:24:37	@alanz	ok
2019-04-06 19:25:56	dxld	could you try out my config real quick?
2019-04-06 19:26:05	dxld	it's just a 20 line init.el
2019-04-06 19:26:22	@alanz	where is it?
2019-04-06 19:26:52	@alanz	dxld ^^
2019-04-06 19:28:01	dxld	https://gist.github.com/DanielG/f53ad62912638cbd88568a392c2206cc
2019-04-06 19:28:21	dxld	save that as init.el in a subfolder in the hie tree
2019-04-06 19:28:32	dxld	and then just clone lsp-mode and lsp-haskell next to it
2019-04-06 19:29:12	@alanz	ok, will see what I can do.
2019-04-06 19:29:14	dxld	and then  $ emacs -q --no-splash --load your-folder/init.el some-test-proj/Main.hs
2019-04-06 19:29:29	dxld	adjust the paths obviously
2019-04-06 19:29:54	dxld	this does use that `new-exec -- which hie` thing
2019-04-06 19:30:05	dxld	so you really have to start it in the hie tree :)
2019-04-06 19:31:52	@alanz	and build hie with cabal
2019-04-06 19:31:59	dxld	new-build yeah
2019-04-06 19:32:10	dxld	I mean you can just adjust the path in the init file
2019-04-06 19:32:26	dxld	just replace the shell-command-to-string funcall
2019-04-06 19:38:22	dxld	mpickering: how do I get the vscode extension to do anything? :)
2019-04-06 19:39:12	dxld	just opening the file sure doesn't do anything
2019-04-06 19:39:30	@alanz	dxld, it is starting hie, and the log shows stuff, and the status bar notes hie is running
2019-04-06 19:39:39	@alanz	but nothing shows up in the ui
2019-04-06 19:39:43	dxld	yeah
2019-04-06 19:39:52	@alanz	I think you are missing lsp-ui, let me fiddle a bit
2019-04-06 19:39:55	dxld	do you get those elisp errors in *Message* too?
2019-04-06 19:40:16	dxld	mpickering: nvm. opening a project as a folder works
2019-04-06 19:41:04	@alanz	I also need to refresh my local clones of emacs-lsp
2019-04-06 19:43:53	dxld	hmm, in vscodium I'm only getting hlint errors at least
2019-04-06 19:43:57	dxld	but still no ghc stuff
2019-04-06 19:44:23	dxld	can't seem to find the debug logs in vsc :/
2019-04-06 19:46:12	@alanz	dxld, I changed your shell command (commented on gist), and it works as I expect for me
2019-04-06 19:46:38	@alanz	having installed from hie master with "./install.hs build"
2019-04-06 19:46:38	dxld	so just to the hardcoded path to hie from master?
2019-04-06 19:46:55	@alanz	(shell-command-to-string "sh -c 'printf '%s' \"$(which hie-8.6.3)\"'")
2019-04-06 19:47:10	@alanz	as it is a 8.6.3 version project
2019-04-06 19:47:39	@alanz	I need to afk for a bit
2019-04-06 20:05:19	mpickering	dxld: View -> Output
2019-04-06 20:05:25	mpickering	then select the right thing from the dropdown
2019-04-06 20:08:08	mpickering	If you are using it on a cabal project you probably need to configure it so it selects the right component
2019-04-06 20:11:14	dxld	I'm using a test project that only has one component
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2019-04-06 20:16:33	mpickering	OK. What do the logs say? 
2019-04-06 20:16:43	dxld	hang on just rebuilding
2019-04-06 20:16:49	dxld	I was still on the master branch from before
2019-04-06 20:16:59	dxld	and of course it blows up because of $libexec ;)
2019-04-06 20:18:47	dxld	ok that's better
2019-04-06 20:20:28	dxld	seems to work now
2019-04-06 20:20:49	dxld	but this is exactly why I didn't want to include hie in my proposal ;)
2019-04-06 20:21:01	dxld	it's just too complex and distracting
2019-04-06 20:21:23	dxld	but whatever
2019-04-06 20:25:10	@alanz	dxld, what *is* in your proposal?
2019-04-06 20:25:18	dxld	that is the question isn't it :)
2019-04-06 20:25:47	dxld	my plan was to refactor/rewrite ghc-mod but since mpickering seems to be doing that my focus has to go elsewhere
2019-04-06 20:25:53	@alanz	I would love to see cabal-helper/ghc-mod-core oon hackage, working with hie
2019-04-06 20:26:16	dxld	yeah that was the idea
2019-04-06 20:26:31	@alanz	so will mpickering's bios become the standard? What about stack?
2019-04-06 20:26:47	dxld	I dunno, that's up to you guys really
2019-04-06 20:26:57	mpickering	Stack is suuported
2019-04-06 20:27:10	dxld	I mean if it works sure
2019-04-06 20:27:12	@alanz	well, from my point of view the thing must "just work" (TM)
2019-04-06 20:27:22	dxld	my concern is that cabal is still a bit of a second class citizen there
2019-04-06 20:27:37	@alanz	where? mpickering bios?
2019-04-06 20:27:41	dxld	yeah
2019-04-06 20:27:54	mpickering	Cabal support is the worst in terms of implicit cradle finding
2019-04-06 20:28:11	dxld	so I guess my proposal could just be to integrate c-h into his work
2019-04-06 20:28:13	@alanz	my concern is that there is a lot of hard-won knowledge in cabal-helper
2019-04-06 20:28:17	mpickering	But you can configure it, like you have to configure ghcid
2019-04-06 20:29:00	mpickering	But the implicit support should get better after the show-build-info patch
2019-04-06 20:29:05	@alanz	I think a simple best effort implicit, with an easy way to configure/override will be the best
2019-04-06 20:29:29	@alanz	I know I often want to switch between build methods, so having explicit control is good
2019-04-06 20:29:35	mpickering	I think cabal-helper can fit into my branch as well as another configurable option 
2019-04-06 20:29:46	mpickering	I thought Daniel was going to try that out
2019-04-06 20:29:49	@alanz	but for the average user, who only ever does one type, having that just work is important
2019-04-06 20:30:07	@alanz	ok, it sounds like a good plan
2019-04-06 20:30:11	dxld	mpickering: well I was but I was busy trying to get hie working in the first place :p
2019-04-06 20:30:35	mpickering	:P
2019-04-06 20:30:35	@alanz	dxld, it is good background knowledge
2019-04-06 20:30:51	dxld	alanz: my plan is still to make it possible to let the user choose in the ui
2019-04-06 20:30:54	@alanz	now you know what I went through trying to get my head around c-h and friends
2019-04-06 20:31:08	@alanz	which ui? hie?
2019-04-06 20:31:08	dxld	but I'm really quite opposed to having any sort of on disk config file that overrides the ui choice
2019-04-06 20:31:17	mpickering	alanz: I imagined library authors would check in the config file if it was complicated at all. 
2019-04-06 20:31:20	dxld	the editor/ide UI I mean
2019-04-06 20:31:25	@alanz	well, persisting choice is important
2019-04-06 20:31:33	@alanz	otherwise it becomes a pain
2019-04-06 20:31:41	dxld	well yeah sure
2019-04-06 20:31:51	dxld	but I'm not convinced hie should be doing that
2019-04-06 20:31:55	@alanz	mpickering, I agree
2019-04-06 20:32:06	@alanz	and each ide has their own convention, which is good
2019-04-06 20:32:48	@alanz	And I think I am starting to see a "generic" lsp config thing, where you have a json file that is picked up by the ide, and used as the initial config setup
2019-04-06 20:33:00	@alanz	for emacs-lsp anyway, but I could be wrong
2019-04-06 20:33:16	dxld	but that is driven by the frontend, not the language server, right?
2019-04-06 20:33:36	dxld	bacause that would fit how I imagine things should be
2019-04-06 20:33:37	mpickering	I think some choices are user preference like whether to use hlint or not
2019-04-06 20:33:38	@alanz	yes, but the config is passed to the language server on startup
2019-04-06 20:33:44	@alanz	so it is universal
2019-04-06 20:33:55	dxld	yeah that's how I would do it
2019-04-06 20:34:03	dxld	but I think it's important to keep the config close to the user
2019-04-06 20:34:05	@alanz	we just need to make sure those settings are made available in the hie config
2019-04-06 20:34:08	mpickering	But how to setup the project is not really up to the user
2019-04-06 20:34:09	@alanz	agree
2019-04-06 20:34:27	dxld	depends on the type of user :)
2019-04-06 20:34:34	mpickering	If you want it to work then you have to select the right build config 
2019-04-06 20:34:36	dxld	in a corperate setting it sure isn't
2019-04-06 20:34:45	mpickering	Changing stack to bazel probably won't work 
2019-04-06 20:34:52	@alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Config.hs#L21
2019-04-06 20:34:59	dxld	what if the project is setup for both?
2019-04-06 20:35:17	dxld	it's not like I'm proposing to let the user choose configs that arent't there
2019-04-06 20:35:27	mpickering	Afk 30 mins
2019-04-06 20:35:29	@alanz	basically sending a decent error message should deal with it
2019-04-06 20:35:34	dxld	but if there's a cabal.project and a stack.yaml then obviously you can choose
2019-04-06 20:35:45	@alanz	and we can send choice stuff to the user too
2019-04-06 20:36:07	dxld	alanz: what do you mean?
2019-04-06 20:36:20	@alanz	I think the first step is to make the config do something, then how exactly the user interacts with it is a scondary issue
2019-04-06 20:36:35	dxld	I don't think thats right
2019-04-06 20:36:39	@alanz	dxld, if you try to build with stack and there is no stack.yaml, it will generate an error
2019-04-06 20:36:50	dxld	the way the user interacts with it kind of determines the config interface
2019-04-06 20:36:52	@alanz	which the user can then use as guidance to choose something else
2019-04-06 20:36:59	@alanz	same as when building via cli
2019-04-06 20:37:08	dxld	but that wouldn't happen in the first place
2019-04-06 20:37:18	dxld	I feel I'm not bringing my point across here
2019-04-06 20:37:34	@alanz	well, having a config option to specify the cradle (to use existing terms), is a good thing.
2019-04-06 20:37:39	dxld	instead of ghc-mod current "pick the first viable cradle" behaviour
2019-04-06 20:37:45	@alanz	then we just need to report if it is invalid, and what could be used
2019-04-06 20:37:59	dxld	I'm saying expose the list of existing cradles to the user (unless it's unambigous)
2019-04-06 20:38:20	dxld	if there isn't a stack.yaml the user wouldn't even get it suggested
2019-04-06 20:38:21	@alanz	I agree
2019-04-06 20:38:37	dxld	and obviously this is a per-project thing
2019-04-06 20:38:44	dxld	not something you do in global settings
2019-04-06 20:38:50	@alanz	but if the user persists the stack option in his ide config, then deletes stack.yaml, they will get an error
2019-04-06 20:38:56	dxld	though it would be easy to have a preference that says: "
2019-04-06 20:39:04	dxld	"I always want to use stack if available"
2019-04-06 20:39:12	@alanz	it is up to the ide, vscode lets you set global and override at local level
2019-04-06 20:39:34	dxld	ok
2019-04-06 20:39:39	dxld	well that's fine
2019-04-06 20:39:41	@alanz	but this is ui design, the thing is to first put the plumbing in the back
2019-04-06 20:39:50	@alanz	think git with its porcelain concept
2019-04-06 20:40:25	dxld	ugh, but I know what the plumbing looks like alread
2019-04-06 20:40:30	dxld	I've been doing this for a while
2019-04-06 20:40:40	dxld	it's time to think about the ui :)
2019-04-06 20:41:45	dxld	let me try to explain the situation I don't want us to get into
2019-04-06 20:42:45	dxld	from what I understand part of mpickering's proposed way of configuring hie is to have a (I think dhall) config file that would fully determine the setup for a given project
2019-04-06 20:42:46	@alanz	listening
2019-04-06 20:43:15	dxld	all I want to avoid is the user not being able to override this config file in the UI
2019-04-06 20:43:45	@alanz	I agree
2019-04-06 20:43:56	dxld	if there is some way to have hie read that and still let the user override the config from the editor, fine, no problem
2019-04-06 20:44:04	@alanz	config belongs to the ide, to be negotiated via the LSP config process
2019-04-06 20:45:05	dxld	ok, so there is a way to let hie default to the settings in that config file and still let the user override the choices in there via the regular (project) settings ui?
2019-04-06 20:45:15	@alanz	I would say that whatever is in this dhall file should moved to the hie Config structure, with some default, and to be set via the ide/client
2019-04-06 20:45:32	@alanz	I would say hie should not use that file at all
2019-04-06 20:45:40	dxld	ah you agree with me then
2019-04-06 20:45:42	dxld	good
2019-04-06 20:45:56	@alanz	the first thing that happens is config, which should say how to load the project, and then we are off
2019-04-06 20:46:24	@alanz	and if the load method fails, we can send back a choice message saying the following are valid (detected), choose one
2019-04-06 20:46:37	@alanz	this is all part of the LSP protocol
2019-04-06 20:46:38	dxld	yeah that sounds perfectly reasonable
2019-04-06 20:47:16	dxld	at least now I know I'm not crazy :)
2019-04-06 20:47:39	dxld	I just want to get out of this "implicit config somewhere on disk" situation quite badly
2019-04-06 20:47:59	@alanz	I agree
2019-04-06 20:48:03	dxld	and I was feeling like mpickering wasn't really getting my poin there
2019-04-06 20:48:28	@alanz	there are already standard ways of doing it, which are ide-culture specific, so we need to work with those
2019-04-06 20:48:36	@alanz	and LSP has a mechanism, we must use it
2019-04-06 20:49:03	dxld	hang on though
2019-04-06 20:49:20	@alanz	I was just thinking, using emacs or vscode
2019-04-06 20:49:27	@alanz	will have to set it up twice
2019-04-06 20:49:45	dxld	I guess it would be possible to use that config file as a cradle marker, default to it's settings, and the user would still be able to override that in settings, right?
2019-04-06 20:50:02	@alanz	probably
2019-04-06 20:50:16	dxld	maybe that was his intent all along
2019-04-06 20:50:23	dxld	and I suppose that would be fine
2019-04-06 20:50:25	@alanz	I just wonder if that is more complicated than it needs to be
2019-04-06 20:50:40	dxld	as long as using that config file isn't mandatory
2019-04-06 20:50:46	@alanz	But this is all just the standard "order of loading and combining config files" problem
2019-04-06 20:50:58	dxld	yeah
2019-04-06 20:51:03	dxld	plus protocol and UI constrainst :)
2019-04-06 20:51:06	@alanz	which is actually separate from what need to be in the config file
2019-04-06 20:51:08	@alanz	yes
2019-04-06 20:51:24	@alanz	but it means it can be dealt with as a separate problem
2019-04-06 20:51:52	@alanz	having a per-project file with standard config is not a bad thing.
2019-04-06 20:51:59	dxld	well so long as we don't have a significant number of users using it ;)
2019-04-06 20:52:02	@alanz	but there is editorconfig, projectile, ....
2019-04-06 20:52:47	@alanz	And in my experience people will go to great lengths to have their own way of configuring things, because it makes sense to them
2019-04-06 20:52:50	dxld	yeah
2019-04-06 20:52:55	@alanz	e.g. you and finding the hie exe
2019-04-06 20:53:10	dxld	:)
2019-04-06 20:53:19	dxld	I just wanted one command I can start to test things
2019-04-06 20:53:29	@alanz	so that zone is going to get large and warty, we need to make sure it collapses onto a single well-known config options
2019-04-06 20:53:35	dxld	withough having to jump through a thousand hoops every time I change something
2019-04-06 20:53:44	dxld	ah, yes
2019-04-06 20:53:51	dxld	agreed
2019-04-06 20:54:17	@alanz	hence my proposal for a standard Config structure in hie, that can be populated via whatever means makes sense to the user
2019-04-06 20:54:17	dxld	but having a hie config file that just acts as yet another cradle config which we prefer over the others seems reasonable to me at least
2019-04-06 20:55:03	@alanz	yes. I have toyed with having a .hierc file as well
2019-04-06 20:55:11	@alanz	for various things
2019-04-06 20:55:26	dxld	as long as it doesn't override user choice, I think it's fine
2019-04-06 20:55:43	dxld	and I guess it needs to be discoverable
2019-04-06 20:55:45	@alanz	agree. order of loading and combining must be well defined, then all is good
2019-04-06 20:55:57	dxld	which that choice message when things go wrong accomplishes nicely
2019-04-06 20:56:04	@alanz	yes
2019-04-06 20:56:13	dxld	I didn't know we could do that before
2019-04-06 20:56:33	@alanz	we can even include an option to dump an example config file, if we have one
2019-04-06 20:56:33	mpickering	the problem here is that the hie-bios is not hie specific
2019-04-06 20:56:44	mpickering	in theory it could be used by other people wanting to set up GHC sessions
2019-04-06 20:56:58	mpickering	this is hypothetical of course as there are currently 0 users of hie-bios
2019-04-06 20:57:29	dxld	if that ever happens we can just change the config code to accomodate that ;)
2019-04-06 20:57:47	@alanz	https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/gh-pages/specification.md#showmessage-request-arrow_right_hook
2019-04-06 20:58:15	@alanz	mpickering, or put a layer on top for hie
2019-04-06 20:58:24	dxld	I don't see a reason to have hie-bios read the config in the context of hie when hie is in a much better position to do it cleanly
2019-04-06 20:58:25	mpickering	I don't really agree with putting the bios config in with the other config options
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2019-04-06 20:59:00	mpickering	Whether hlint is enabled is something each user decides on their own
2019-04-06 20:59:02	@alanz	mpickering, why not?
2019-04-06 20:59:18	mpickering	the way to configure the bios is something which is decided by the library author
2019-04-06 20:59:22	mpickering	and should be checked into the repo
2019-04-06 20:59:36	@alanz	well, as a user, I want to sometimes build hie with cabal, sometimes with stack, and each time choosing a different stack-xxx.yaml file
2019-04-06 20:59:38	mpickering	but the decision about whether to use hlint shouldn;t be checked into the repo
2019-04-06 20:59:40	@alanz	that is user config
2019-04-06 20:59:53	mpickering	but that's different to the bios configuration
2019-04-06 21:00:10	@alanz	and I think having a bios config hard-wired for a specific project is overly restrictive
2019-04-06 21:00:17	mpickering	I am imagining that you can specify multiple ways to set up the session in the bios config
2019-04-06 21:00:27	dxld	mpickering: did you read the backlog?
2019-04-06 21:00:30	mpickering	yes
2019-04-06 21:00:48	@alanz	I guess I need to actually look at the current hie-bios branch to get a feel for things
2019-04-06 21:00:59	mpickering	You can't currently specify multiple ways to set up the session
2019-04-06 21:01:01	@alanz	But I need to AFK now too
2019-04-06 21:01:04	mpickering	but of course that's possible
2019-04-06 21:01:07	@alanz	for 30 mins or so
2019-04-06 21:01:16	mpickering	So the library author says you can build this with cabal or stack
2019-04-06 21:01:22	mpickering	then in hie you select which one is appropiate
2019-04-06 21:01:29	mpickering	or it defaults to one of them
2019-04-06 21:01:35	dxld	mpickering: what's wrong with thinking of hie-bios's config file as just another "cradle" essentially then?
2019-04-06 21:01:45	dxld	or a bunch of them if there's multiple configs in it
2019-04-06 21:01:55	dxld	I think we're just having a XY problem here
2019-04-06 21:02:24	mpickering	What do you mean here, the config file isn't a cradle, it specifies cradles
2019-04-06 21:02:34	@alanz	before I go, some library authors are opinionated, and will insist on putting only one build method in the hie-bios config file
2019-04-06 21:02:56	@alanz	so I as a user want to specify my own preferences for building
2019-04-06 21:03:00	mpickering	yes, then it's a UI decision about how you let the user override that
2019-04-06 21:03:12	@alanz	and if a nix user, or bazel user wants to build, they must be able to set it up
2019-04-06 21:03:13	mpickering	but the default should be to use what the library author specified as it's most likely to work
2019-04-06 21:03:35	dxld	yeah that's what we're saying pretty much
2019-04-06 21:04:19	dxld	we can have a hie specific _build system_ config file that provides defaults that the user can override
2019-04-06 21:04:47	dxld	I would keep that independent of settings like hlint that you mentioned above
2019-04-06 21:04:57	mpickering	So you have a dropdown which says "cabal (specified); stack (specified); bazel (implicit); cabal (implicit)" or whatever
2019-04-06 21:05:09	dxld	yeah, something like that
2019-04-06 21:05:34	dxld	whether or not we default to using hie-bios's config file is a matter of debate
2019-04-06 21:06:18	dxld	but I think treating it as a source of possible build system configurations on the same level as cabal.project/stack.yaml is certaily reasonable
2019-04-06 21:06:47	dxld	that's why I said "treat it like a cradle" above
2019-04-06 21:07:09	mpickering	Your point is that if the situation is `stack (specified); cabal (implicit)` and the user had said they want to use cabal, then it should try to use cabal?
2019-04-06 21:07:35	mpickering	but if the situation is `cabal (specified); cabal (implicit)` then it should use `cabal (specified)`
2019-04-06 21:07:39	dxld	that I think would be a good idea to do, yes
2019-04-06 21:07:56	dxld	that part I'm not sure about
2019-04-06 21:08:01	mpickering	what about `bios (specified); cabal (implicit)` ?
2019-04-06 21:08:10	dxld	ok now I'm confused
2019-04-06 21:08:23	dxld	oh, by "bios" you mean a custom one
2019-04-06 21:08:33	dxld	where you just provide a command that spits out ghc flags/
2019-04-06 21:08:34	dxld	?
2019-04-06 21:08:36	mpickering	yes
2019-04-06 21:08:46	mpickering	for example, if I am working on ghc, no other cradle will work
2019-04-06 21:08:51	dxld	I think those details we can work out later
2019-04-06 21:09:02	dxld	the important part is that we agree to treat all the configs at this level
2019-04-06 21:09:08	dxld	and let the user choose, somehow
2019-04-06 21:09:22	dxld	what defaults come from where and what should be preferred over what
2019-04-06 21:09:29	dxld	I think is an entirely different discussion
2019-04-06 21:11:02	mpickering	ok I think this will be a great improvement 👍
2019-04-06 21:11:15	mpickering	so did my branch work in the end?
2019-04-06 21:11:35	dxld	I got some ghc diagnostics on a very simple cabal v1 project, yes :)
2019-04-06 21:12:09	dxld	but only with vscodium
2019-04-06 21:13:04	dxld	we really need a better test setup though, I can't really work properly like this
2019-04-06 21:14:32	dxld	but for now I have a proposal to write
2019-04-06 21:16:02	dxld	mpickering: right now I'm focusing on ghc stuff like fixing some old memory leaks I know about, in-memory file support for VFS, multi-session testing, figuring out how to compile less stuff when loading a file in the API and so on
2019-04-06 21:16:37	mpickering	in-memory file support for VFS is this problem with CPP? 
2019-04-06 21:16:42	dxld	yeah
2019-04-06 21:16:52	mpickering	Zubin has that in his proposal.
2019-04-06 21:16:57	dxld	yeah I know
2019-04-06 21:17:08	dxld	I figure we wont know how's will be accepted
2019-04-06 21:17:12	dxld	so might as well include it
2019-04-06 21:17:20	dxld	it's a minor thing anyways
2019-04-06 21:17:29	mpickering	well I imagine that Zubin's will be so best to avoid that tbh
2019-04-06 21:17:39	mpickering	multi-session testing sounds good
2019-04-06 21:17:50	mpickering	the approach on my branch is not tested too well
2019-04-06 21:17:55	dxld	maybe I should also include memory usage improvements with multi-session
2019-04-06 21:18:18	mpickering	"compile less stuff when loading a file in the API" - what's the idea here?
2019-04-06 21:18:25	dxld	problem is I'm not sure how to guesstimate a timeline for those things
2019-04-06 21:18:37	mpickering	You turn on `-fwrite-interface` and then it only recompiles necessary modules. I have that on my branch
2019-04-06 21:18:47	dxld	the finer grained target loading we were talking about
2019-04-06 21:18:58	dxld	oh, ok
2019-04-06 21:19:12	mpickering	the problem is you have to cache all TypecheckedModules
2019-04-06 21:19:23	mpickering	which uses a bit more memory
2019-04-06 21:19:23	dxld	why?
2019-04-06 21:19:33	mpickering	actually that's a good question. you probably don't
2019-04-06 21:19:40	dxld	I would imagine you only need the one for the currently active file
2019-04-06 21:20:15	dxld	well there you go :)
2019-04-06 21:20:24	mpickering	it makes opening a new file faster but then the cost of recompiling if you save .hi files is quite small usually
2019-04-06 21:20:28	dxld	so I can keep that point on my proposal :)
2019-04-06 21:20:46	dxld	yeah
2019-04-06 21:20:53	mpickering	But with the current setup, when you open a new file anyway it reloads it for a reason to do with the VFS
2019-04-06 21:21:15	dxld	I'd imagine that would go away once we handle in-memory files properly
2019-04-06 21:21:38	dxld	probably has to do with ghc's recomp checker going crazy about us fiddling with temp files like we do
2019-04-06 21:21:55	mpickering	no it's because for uniformity I always persist a file even if it hasn't been changed
2019-04-06 21:22:14	mpickering	and GHC's recompilation checker looks at the timestamp rather than the hash
2019-04-06 21:22:15	dxld	hmm
2019-04-06 21:22:21	dxld	doesn't ghc fingerprint the source?
2019-04-06 21:22:24	mpickering	there's a patch which changes it to use the hash
2019-04-06 21:22:27	mpickering	no it uses the timestamp
2019-04-06 21:22:31	dxld	ah, ok
2019-04-06 21:22:57	mpickering	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/635
2019-04-06 21:23:24	mpickering	VFS does not interact well with hs-boot files either
2019-04-06 21:23:33	dxld	yeah, I saw your hack
2019-04-06 21:24:12	mpickering	on my branch all the incremental compiling stuff is turned off anyway
2019-04-06 21:24:20	mpickering	as I find it annoying..
2019-04-06 21:24:25	mpickering	and too slow for something like GHC
2019-04-06 21:24:31	dxld	you mean compiling as you type?
2019-04-06 21:24:34	mpickering	yes
2019-04-06 21:24:40	dxld	yeah
2019-04-06 21:24:41	mpickering	It would be really good if that could be improved
2019-04-06 21:24:50	dxld	alan has some ideas about that
2019-04-06 21:24:57	mpickering	it needs to not block and also not trigger on every character
2019-04-06 21:25:05	mpickering	you should add that to your proposal 
2019-04-06 21:25:16	dxld	moving GHC towards a roslyn architecture I mean
2019-04-06 21:25:31	dxld	it's not doing a holdoff timer yet?
2019-04-06 21:25:40	mpickering	I don't think so
2019-04-06 21:25:43	dxld	oh boy
2019-04-06 21:25:51	mpickering	I think the client is meant to do that
2019-04-06 21:25:58	mpickering	but Zubin told me it sends changes character by character
2019-04-06 21:26:00	wz1000	I can add the delay for recompilation to my proposal, as its more of a HIE thing.
2019-04-06 21:26:19	mpickering	wz1000: Your proposal already looks good :P and I don't agree it's a HIE thing
2019-04-06 21:26:21	wz1000	we don't recompile for every change as is
2019-04-06 21:26:30	dxld	yeah it sounds easy imo, but I wouldn't know where to start :)
2019-04-06 21:26:51	wz1000	mpickering: well, HIE is the one that makes the request to recompile, no?
2019-04-06 21:27:03	mpickering	oh I thought you meant a .hie thing
2019-04-06 21:27:31	mpickering	right but still, your proposal has enough stuff in it so leave it for Daniel I would say
2019-04-06 21:27:52	mpickering	It's best there isn't any overlap so it's clear that they are different and both can be accepted
2019-04-06 21:27:53	dxld	but I would really prefer to concentrate on GHC
2019-04-06 21:27:57	wz1000	I can substitute it for the targetContents/in memory vfs stuff
2019-04-06 21:28:07	dxld	ah yes that sounds like a good idea
2019-04-06 21:28:09	wz1000	which Daniel can do
2019-04-06 21:28:09	mpickering	ok that sounds good then
2019-04-06 21:28:40	mpickering	dxld: I think the multi-session testing is a good thing to focus on in the proposal
2019-04-06 21:28:42	dxld	I think getting familliar with one unfamilliar project is enough work for gsoc ;)
2019-04-06 21:28:48	mpickering	Did you look at how I implemented that?
2019-04-06 21:28:53	dxld	not yet
2019-04-06 21:29:11	dxld	the thing is it's Google Summer of _Code_, not testing
2019-04-06 21:29:24	dxld	they like to stress that in the gsoc docs
2019-04-06 21:29:31	@alanz	btw, there is a hold-off timer for accumulating changes in hie
2019-04-06 21:29:36	mpickering	yes but I mean you would work on making the multi-session support robust right?
2019-04-06 21:29:43	@alanz	but I think it is only 200ms or so at the moment
2019-04-06 21:29:59	dxld	from what I can see I think it's pretty much all already there in ghc
2019-04-06 21:30:10	mpickering	I think it needs to be looked at anyway as it feels bad
2019-04-06 21:30:14	dxld	so really all I could do is test if it all works and then make it more performant
2019-04-06 21:30:25	wz1000	alanz: is that part of the lsp/client configuration, or built into the HIE dispatcher?
2019-04-06 21:30:46	dxld	so if I concentrate on the increased cross-session sharing part that would sound better to me
2019-04-06 21:30:54	@alanz	it is in the hie dispatcher, may be in config.
2019-04-06 21:31:10	mpickering	So remind me again what this idea is exactly?
2019-04-06 21:31:23	@alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Config.hs#L25
2019-04-06 21:31:28	@alanz	its in config
2019-04-06 21:31:39	@alanz	350ms
2019-04-06 21:31:55	mpickering	ok perhaps it will feel better on my branch now I made the recompile loop faster
2019-04-06 21:31:55	@alanz	(specified in microseconds, I think)
2019-04-06 21:32:14	dxld	mpickering: well GHC loads the Iface files once per session, especially for shared package dependencies I think that a huge waste
2019-04-06 21:32:23	dxld	and an easy win if we can share that across sessions
2019-04-06 21:32:47	dxld	afaik we already have a unique key for the interfaces so caching them would be fairly easy
2019-04-06 21:32:59	mpickering	ok so this would help Mathieu as well?
2019-04-06 21:33:12	dxld	who's that again?
2019-04-06 21:33:22	mpickering	The tweag man
2019-04-06 21:33:31	dxld	oh for a ghc server
2019-04-06 21:33:34	dxld	yeah I would imagine so
2019-04-06 21:33:42	mpickering	when you say session, what GHC datatype do you mean?
2019-04-06 21:33:55	dxld	from my experience Ifaces really are the main memory drain for ghc
2019-04-06 21:34:26	dxld	uuum I think it's just `Session` :)
2019-04-06 21:34:50	dxld	which is (IORef HscEnv) which has the real stuff
2019-04-06 21:35:14	dxld	hsc_EPS is where the Ifaces are I think
2019-04-06 21:35:20	mpickering	So your idea of multi-session is that you have a `HscEnv` for each different component and swap them out as necessary?
2019-04-06 21:35:37	dxld	yeah, I already did that in ghc-mod
2019-04-06 21:35:39	dxld	works well
2019-04-06 21:35:58	mpickering	yeah I think this part of my branch needs to be revisited
2019-04-06 21:36:03	dxld	eer, I should be more specific, I didn't use it for target loading
2019-04-06 21:36:07	dxld	just for pre-loading setup
2019-04-06 21:36:19	dxld	but there where multiple Sessions active at the same time
2019-04-06 21:36:21	dxld	and it worked
2019-04-06 21:36:47	dxld	ah eps_PIT
2019-04-06 21:36:50	dxld	is where the Ifaces are
2019-04-06 21:37:02	mpickering	so when you swap out the sessions can't you just merge the old session with the new session?
2019-04-06 21:37:14	dxld	why would you want to do that?
2019-04-06 21:37:25	mpickering	So you don't reload the interface files again.. like you said before
2019-04-06 21:37:42	dxld	well I would have a cache somewhere that both share
2019-04-06 21:37:52	dxld	so if one loads some iface then the other can just use it
2019-04-06 21:37:57	dxld	and vice versa
2019-04-06 21:38:25	mpickering	It would be simpler if you could merge them though?
2019-04-06 21:38:43	dxld	I don't really know what exactly you mean by merging
2019-04-06 21:38:52	dxld	sounds much more difficult to me though
2019-04-06 21:39:11	mpickering	it wouldn't require any refactoring of `HscEnv`
2019-04-06 21:39:16	dxld	one thing that I would have to pay attention to with a shared cache is removing unused Ifaces I think
2019-04-06 21:39:25	dxld	but maybe Data.Weak could be used for that
2019-04-06 21:39:42	dxld	have you seen HscEnv?
2019-04-06 21:39:46	dxld	it's a mess of IORefs
2019-04-06 21:39:47	mpickering	it sounds to me that you're proposing to split up `HscEnv` ?
2019-04-06 21:39:53	mpickering	I am looking at it this very moment
2019-04-06 21:40:06	dxld	I don't think I can reasonably do anything to two of these without a mess of problems :)
2019-04-06 21:40:18	dxld	not really
2019-04-06 21:40:35	dxld	I would add a new field with an IORef for the shared cache
2019-04-06 21:40:57	mpickering	but then what you change the session you will get a different IORef pointing to a different shared cache?
2019-04-06 21:41:07	dxld	to share it you just take it out and stick it in another HscEnv too
2019-04-06 21:41:12	dxld	modulo locking and all that
2019-04-06 21:41:19	mpickering	right which is "merging the sessions"
2019-04-06 21:41:32	mpickering	the other idea is to take the `PackageIfaceTable` and copy that instead
2019-04-06 21:41:41	mpickering	instead of this indirection via an IORef
2019-04-06 21:41:41	dxld	well I'm not really doing anything other than pointing something somewhere :)
2019-04-06 21:42:08	dxld	but then we don't share new ifaces
2019-04-06 21:42:30	dxld	I tried copying a whole HscEnv for debugging ghc-mod at some point bts
2019-04-06 21:42:34	dxld	*btw
2019-04-06 21:42:43	mpickering	The proposal is that all sessions have the same pointer for `hsc_EPS`
2019-04-06 21:42:45	dxld	it proved quite hard to impossible
2019-04-06 21:42:49	mpickering	which sounds very similar to your idea
2019-04-06 21:43:12	dxld	I'm not sure that would actually be safe though
2019-04-06 21:43:40	mpickering	which bit are you worried about
2019-04-06 21:43:42	dxld	I would add a new IORef so I don't have to contend with code that's trying to delete things from hsc_EPS for some reason
2019-04-06 21:43:57	dxld	or change it in ways incompatible with the other session
2019-04-06 21:44:47	mpickering	it seems like all the fields are maps of various kinds so might be ok
2019-04-06 21:45:02	dxld	I mean I'm open to doing it a different way
2019-04-06 21:45:06	mpickering	anyway I see what you're saying now
2019-04-06 21:45:11	mpickering	and sounds like a good thing to work on
2019-04-06 21:45:16	dxld	but I think first it needs to proove that actually brings any memory savings :)
2019-04-06 21:45:24	dxld	should probably do some profiling first too
2019-04-06 21:45:47	mpickering	I profiled HIE recently and by far the biggest problem was making the typeMap 
2019-04-06 21:46:01	dxld	what's in there?
2019-04-06 21:46:09	mpickering	A map from SrcSpan to type
2019-04-06 21:46:14	dxld	ah
2019-04-06 21:46:29	mpickering	right but implementing it the way I suggest is much faster even if it doesn't work in all cases 
2019-04-06 21:46:35	dxld	that should be fixed by wz1000's proposal, right?
2019-04-06 21:46:35	mpickering	so you can see what memory savings it has 
2019-04-06 21:46:43	mpickering	right that's why it's in his proposal
2019-04-06 21:47:25	dxld	neat
2019-04-06 21:48:31	mpickering	btw attention everybody: If you want to profile HIE you have to build the project you want to load into HIE with profiling as well
2019-04-06 21:49:14	@alanz	that typemap should be lazy, so we only look up the type when we care
2019-04-06 21:49:49	mpickering	yes it is, that part works
2019-04-06 21:51:57	@alanz	mpickering, have you ever looked at how much space the API annotations take up?
2019-04-06 21:52:19	mpickering	no
2019-04-06 21:52:24	mpickering	Is it a lot?
2019-04-06 21:52:48	@alanz	I have never looked, but it worries me
2019-04-06 21:53:14	mpickering	my experience is that it's feasible to load all of GHC into HIE but the type map was insane 
2019-04-06 21:53:41	mpickering	memory usage didn't look too problemantic iirc until I started type mapping, there are probably other issues as well but that's the most obvious one
2019-04-06 21:53:44	@alanz	the type map extends over pretty much all possible spans
2019-04-06 21:53:59	@alanz	so maybe it should be calculated on demand, and then cached
2019-04-06 21:54:04	wz1000	mpickering: It might help if we store the types in the compressed form I designed for HIE files
2019-04-06 21:55:14	mpickering	storing some of this information in a sqlite database might work well
2019-04-06 21:55:31	mpickering	I think the main problem though is the way the map is computed
2019-04-06 21:56:53	wz1000	Yes. did you try avoiding all calls to desugar and only collecting type information for nodes?
2019-04-06 21:56:58	wz1000	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/blob/master/compiler/hieFile/HieUtils.hs#L131
2019-04-06 21:57:26	mpickering	nope I tried nothing. 
2019-04-06 22:07:41	wz1000	mpickering: you just need to make this return Nothing: https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/blob/b20536757f34769c6fe4478f13b71a55c9ae582e/core/GhcMod/SrcUtils.hs#L38
2019-04-06 22:08:16	dxld	mpickering: so here's the proposal's part about multi-session: https://gist.github.com/DanielG/78ffe0d95f706b85e4ef89766e93f5b4
2019-04-06 22:08:54	dxld	do you think I should expand on why it's necessary to even have multiple components in-process
2019-04-06 22:09:03	dxld	as opposed to just dispatching to multiple processes or something
2019-04-06 22:09:28	@alanz	dxld, a good motivation is cross-component go to definition
2019-04-06 22:10:02	dxld	alanz: but that's solved by .hie files, no?
2019-04-06 22:10:05	@alanz	and for me, in HaRe, being able to refactor, by working with all users of a particular function, including in the tests, exes, benchmarks, etc
2019-04-06 22:10:12	dxld	also I don't see why that would require in-process either
2019-04-06 22:10:26	dxld	ah! refactoring is a good point
2019-04-06 22:10:33	dxld	and that's easy to get across
2019-04-06 22:10:34	@alanz	yes
2019-04-06 22:11:06	dxld	though I could imagine that could work with multiple processes too ;)
2019-04-06 22:11:15	dxld	it would just be much harder
2019-04-06 22:12:44	@alanz	the main thing is performance
2019-04-06 22:12:53	@alanz	at the moment, running the tests on HaRe is a huge pain
2019-04-06 22:13:26	@alanz	And I installed the current GHC 8.8 branch today, time to see if I can get HaRe to run with it
2019-04-06 22:13:38	@alanz	which may involve trying to use the new hie bios
2019-04-06 22:13:46	@alanz	mpickering, how is ghc-8.8 support in it?
2019-04-06 22:15:38	dxld	alanz: does HaRe do global refactoring ATM?
2019-04-06 22:16:00	dxld	or can I sell it as: "this would enable HaRe to do this in the first place"?
2019-04-06 22:18:29	dxld	hmm
2019-04-06 22:18:41	dxld	multi-session ghci might be interresting too
2019-04-06 22:19:06	@alanz	dxld, yes, it tries
2019-04-06 22:19:07	@alanz	to
2019-04-06 22:19:18	dxld	though the different instance wouldn't be able to communicate via memory
2019-04-06 22:19:31	@alanz	I had to jump through a lot of hoops initially to get a "full" module graph out though
2019-04-06 22:19:32	dxld	since the actual code would run in external interpretes
2019-04-06 22:19:52	@alanz	which was helped immensely with ghc-mod, bringing in local libraries as direct deps
2019-04-06 22:20:01	wz1000	do you plan to share the NameCache across sessions?
2019-04-06 22:20:03	dxld	alanz: ok I'll just say would "vastly improve performance" then :)
2019-04-06 22:20:10	@alanz	sounds good
2019-04-06 22:20:18	dxld	wz1000: not sure what that does exactly
2019-04-06 22:20:23	dxld	but I'm all for sharing
2019-04-06 22:20:26	@alanz	and I see external interpreter as the way to get a ghci session too, btw
2019-04-06 22:20:27	dxld	sharing is caring :)
2019-04-06 22:20:35	wz1000	dxld: the thing assigning uniques to names
2019-04-06 22:20:42	dxld	ah
2019-04-06 22:20:44	dxld	hmm
2019-04-06 22:20:53	dxld	I think that would meddle with reproducability
2019-04-06 22:20:55	wz1000	if you don't share it, uniques might overlap
2019-04-06 22:21:07	dxld	wich would be fine
2019-04-06 22:21:09	dxld	I think
2019-04-06 22:21:18	dxld	depends on how much I end up sharing\
2019-04-06 22:21:32	wz1000	yes, but it makes any kind of multi-session wide analysis iffy
2019-04-06 22:21:33	dxld	do the Ifaces have any uniqs in them?
2019-04-06 22:21:39	wz1000	No
2019-04-06 22:21:40	dxld	ah true
2019-04-06 22:22:08	dxld	well I'll certainly look into it then
2019-04-06 22:22:42	dxld	but that might blow the scope quite a bit to be honest
2019-04-06 22:22:53	dxld	we'll see
2019-04-06 22:23:09	dxld	for now I'd be happy if we can share the package iface stuff
2019-04-06 22:23:27	dxld	gotta leave stuff for future work anyways ;)
2019-04-06 22:24:27	wz1000	its just the hsc_NC field in the HscEnv, can't imagine any harm could come from sharing it
2019-04-06 22:24:45	dxld	I suppose
2019-04-06 22:25:07	wz1000	Only let the first session initialize the namecache, and use that one for all the newer ones
2019-04-06 22:25:13	dxld	the only problem I can think of is different uniqs depending on which order you register the sessions in or something
2019-04-06 22:25:38	dxld	but I'm not really sure how ghc keeps the uniqs reproducable in the first place
2019-04-06 22:26:09	wz1000	it doesn't
2019-04-06 22:26:16	wz1000	it just tries to avoid writing uniqs
2019-04-06 22:26:20	dxld	ah
2019-04-06 22:26:37	dxld	ok I was always wondering how that could possibly work out :)
2019-04-06 22:27:12	dxld	also has to be careful the order of written things doesn't get influenced by uniqs I suppose
2019-04-06 22:27:36	wz1000	so names in the iface are referred to by their nameStableString, which only exists for non-local names
2019-04-06 22:28:04	wz1000	and non-local names aren't supposed to be written into .hi files
2019-04-06 22:28:13	dxld	ok
2019-04-06 22:28:27	wz1000	s/non-local/local
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2019-04-06 22:30:38	wz1000	.hie files have to save non-local names, so they get put into a table in order of their appearance in the source.
2019-04-06 22:31:08	wz1000	s/non-local/local
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2019-04-06 22:49:26	mpickering	I don't think that any modification outside of a component should be allowed. It complicates things so much
2019-04-06 22:49:52	mpickering	If you want your library definitions to be reflected in the tests then the build tool should return a single component which builds them all like stack does
2019-04-06 22:50:32	mpickering	(or obelisk)
2019-04-06 22:51:00	mpickering	and all this complication is not desirable whilst the basics are not solid
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2019-04-06 22:52:53	mpickering	dxld: What is this point about cross compilation?
2019-04-06 22:54:06	mpickering	are you talking about this patch? https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/388
2019-04-06 22:55:23	jose_zap	mpickering added your commit to this PR https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1164
2019-04-06 22:56:55	mpickering	thanks jose_zap 
2019-04-06 22:57:05	mpickering	you did a much better job there then I could have done
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2019-04-06 23:02:16	dxld	mpickering: it's my understanding that the zw3rk guys have been pushing this forward
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2019-04-06 23:02:55	mpickering	But you are talking about that MR?
2019-04-06 23:03:00	dxld	not really
2019-04-06 23:03:13	dxld	I just saw some commits by them when I was looking around the code
2019-04-06 23:03:37	dxld	but I can say something more generic if you like
2019-04-06 23:04:06	mpickering	saying something more specific is better
2019-04-06 23:04:11	dxld	oh
2019-04-06 23:04:12	dxld	right
2019-04-06 23:04:24	dxld	now I recognize that pr
2019-04-06 23:04:34	mpickering	but I was confused about what cross compilation had to do with dynamic linking
2019-04-06 23:04:36	dxld	no I'm specifically talking about the external interpreter work
2019-04-06 23:04:54	dxld	which I think was mainly motivated by cross-compiling (and better stdin/out handling in ghci)
2019-04-06 23:04:59	mpickering	ok that is one way to solve this issue I support by making a new process for each session
2019-04-06 23:05:17	dxld	well if the linkin happens in different processes it's not global anymore :)
2019-04-06 23:05:18	mpickering	you should say that you're referring to the external interpreter then :)
2019-04-06 23:05:24	dxld	ok sure
2019-04-06 23:05:34	mpickering	It's a bit indirect hehe
2019-04-06 23:05:53	dxld	I'm not sure how familliar the people evaluating the proposals are with
2019-04-06 23:05:56	dxld	..GHC
2019-04-06 23:06:01	dxld	so I'm keeping it light
2019-04-06 23:07:38	mpickering	There are some people who are very familiar 
2019-04-06 23:07:43	mpickering	more technical the better
2019-04-06 23:07:50	dxld	kay
2019-04-06 23:07:56	dxld	I think I can strike a nice balance anyways
2019-04-06 23:11:42	dxld	mpickering: updated it, https://gist.github.com/DanielG/78ffe0d95f706b85e4ef89766e93f5b4
2019-04-06 23:13:00	mpickering	yes good
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2019-04-07 00:03:55	fendor	why do plugins have no real access to other plugins?
2019-04-07 00:05:13	fendor	CmdSync should have access to other plugins, right?
2019-04-07 00:07:03	mpickering	how would that work but also retain modularity?
2019-04-07 00:07:24	mpickering	dxld: What goes wrong caching HscEnvs?
2019-04-07 00:07:50	mpickering	You can't be polymorphic in `GhcMonad` and access `Session` as it's an implementation detail
2019-04-07 00:07:59	mpickering	`setSession/getSession` seems like it should work out?
2019-04-07 00:08:51	fendor	mpickering, interface for different providers. I am thinking about the issue https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1115 . The problem is, that HsImport has no access to the formatting provider or knows what formatter is selected by the user
2019-04-07 00:08:58	fendor	thus, it just uses brittany
2019-04-07 00:09:06	fendor	so, modularity is already broken
2019-04-07 00:09:33	mpickering	Why is HsImport not in the formatting provider?
2019-04-07 00:09:42	fendor	HsImport is not a formatting provider
2019-04-07 00:09:44	mpickering	If it should depend on that then it should be part of that plugin?
2019-04-07 00:09:53	mpickering	I'm probably using the wrong words here
2019-04-07 00:09:56	fendor	but on import it formats
2019-04-07 00:10:36	mpickering	what does formatOnImport do exactly?
2019-04-07 00:11:24	fendor	when you use a function that is currently not imported, you can execute a code action to import it
2019-04-07 00:11:40	fendor	this code action reformats the line to fit to the other lines
2019-04-07 00:11:45	fendor	*other import lines
2019-04-07 00:11:53	fendor	currently it does that by invoking brittany
2019-04-07 00:12:06	fendor	which is not our only code formatter
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2019-04-07 00:12:23	mpickering	how does it invoke brittany? is there a specific api?
2019-04-07 00:12:56	fendor	no, there is not
2019-04-07 00:13:03	fendor	it imports the module and uses it directly
2019-04-07 00:13:36	fendor	to be specific, it imports the Brittany plugin
2019-04-07 00:15:24	fendor	The formatting provider is only known in Reactor/LspStdio.
2019-04-07 00:17:10	fendor	I can actually patch that since plugins actually do have access to every other plugin
2019-04-07 00:17:17	fendor	and the config
2019-04-07 00:17:25	fendor	maybe I'll move it to HieUtils
2019-04-07 00:17:48	fendor	*HieExtras
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2019-04-07 00:19:00	mpickering	how does it call brittany then?
2019-04-07 00:19:11	mpickering	it doesn't reformat the whole module I guess
2019-04-07 00:19:35	fendor	it calls the API in the plugin. e.g. liftIO (Brittany.runBrittany 2 confFile t)
2019-04-07 00:20:23	mpickering	could that be made parametric over a formatting provider?
2019-04-07 00:20:28	mpickering	do they all supply the same API?
2019-04-07 00:21:17	mpickering	in my head the right thing to do is to abstract away from brittany by adding an argument to the function which takes a formatting provider
2019-04-07 00:21:29	mpickering	then when it is invoked, the right formatting provider can be supplied
2019-04-07 00:22:14	fendor	i have to got for approximately half an hour, will come back!
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2019-04-07 00:41:02	dxld	mpickering: I fleshed out the proposal some more, do you think the motivation section is too cheezy? https://gist.github.com/DanielG/78ffe0d95f706b85e4ef89766e93f5b4
2019-04-07 00:44:43	wz1000	should I change my title? Paving the Way for More Advanced Haskell Tooling and Tooling Associated Improvements for GHC and HIE sound extremely similar
2019-04-07 00:45:08	dxld	hmm
2019-04-07 00:45:12	dxld	I'm not dead set on the title
2019-04-07 00:45:20	dxld	just couldn't come up with anything better :)
2019-04-07 00:45:30	wz1000	same here :p
2019-04-07 00:45:57	dxld	wz1000: do you know if we're supposed to say who would mentor the project in the proposal?
2019-04-07 00:46:17	wz1000	I don't think so
2019-04-07 00:46:24	dxld	seems weird to me
2019-04-07 00:46:40	wz1000	I think HSOC had a field like that, but I didn't in last years GSOC
2019-04-07 00:46:40	dxld	surely a proposal with a good fit for a mentor is better than one without :)
2019-04-07 00:47:14	dxld	I think I'm going to include it for good measure
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2019-04-07 00:50:04	mpickering	Zubin your project is more about using .hie files right but Daniel's is all about things necessary for multiple components in one GHC session
2019-04-07 00:50:30	dxld	yeah, I was thinking you should stress the HIE bit more too
2019-04-07 00:50:44	mpickering	I do agree with you that you will both benefit from making it clear your proposals are about different things
2019-04-07 00:50:56	wz1000	"Putting .hie files to use"?
2019-04-07 00:51:08	dxld	has I nice ring to it
2019-04-07 00:51:15	dxld	though i would loose the dot
2019-04-07 00:51:46	dxld	"Putting HIE Files To Good Use"?
2019-04-07 00:51:58	dxld	or maybe downcase the HIE
2019-04-07 00:52:29	mpickering	Unfortunately (because of me) .hie files and hie mean different things
2019-04-07 00:52:38	mpickering	Arjun asked me about this as well Zubin
2019-04-07 00:52:43	dxld	yeah I know
2019-04-07 00:52:48	dxld	and I'd play with that ;)
2019-04-07 00:52:53	dxld	the proposal is about both after all
2019-04-07 00:53:17	dxld	and I do think the "files" bit disambiguates it
2019-04-07 00:53:19	wz1000	Yeah, but it's a good pun.
2019-04-07 00:53:28	dxld	top notch pun
2019-04-07 00:53:29	mpickering	having a clear focus, like you both have now is really good
2019-04-07 00:53:44	dxld	maybe even better than the Cabal pun
2019-04-07 00:53:47	dxld	*puns
2019-04-07 00:53:54	mpickering	make sure in your proposal you relate each point back to the goal
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2019-04-07 00:55:53	mpickering	Daniel in your proposal I would be a bit more explicit about what you plan to do in #1
2019-04-07 00:56:18	dxld	yeah, I was just thinking I have to split that up a bit
2019-04-07 00:56:22	wz1000	So should I substitute the targetContents stuff? I can allocate some time for trying to improve HIE performance and responsiveness.
2019-04-07 00:56:58	mpickering	wz1000: Yes give the target contents stuff to Daniel. I think you have plenty
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2019-04-07 01:05:12	wz1000	dxld: will you also teach HIE/ghc-mod about the targetContents stuff and get rid of mapped files?
2019-04-07 01:05:35	dxld	I'll probably work on top of mpickering's branch but yeah
2019-04-07 01:06:06	dxld	together with integrating c-h based projects into his branch I think this makes a well rounded proposal
2019-04-07 01:06:06	wz1000	cool
2019-04-07 01:06:21	dxld	first get the stuff we need into ghc and then integrate it into hie
2019-04-07 01:06:51	mpickering	the mapped file stuff is not too broken from my small experiments but it would be nicer not to have it ofc
2019-04-07 01:07:16	dxld	your experiments are too small then, it's very broken :)
2019-04-07 01:08:41	mpickering	what sort of things break?
2019-04-07 01:08:57	dxld	it's all about the behaviour when things change in a project
2019-04-07 01:09:05	mpickering	I reimplemented it on my branch so perhaps it works slightly differently
2019-04-07 01:09:08	dxld	things might work on first load but it goes downhill from there
2019-04-07 01:09:12	dxld	oh right
2019-04-07 01:09:21	dxld	yeah maybe you did it better
2019-04-07 01:09:28	mpickering	I tied it into the VFS 
2019-04-07 01:09:41	mpickering	anyway, would be good to get rid of it
2019-04-07 01:09:51	wz1000	its very broken: here is it screwing up during a live demonstration in my talk: https://youtu.be/52aQzcKO5Pk?t=499
2019-04-07 01:10:00	dxld	haha :)
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2019-04-07 01:10:23	dxld	I'm not responsible, didn't write it, only merged it :P
2019-04-07 01:10:56	mpickering	this patch seems like a good idea for now then https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1164
2019-04-07 01:11:06	wz1000	No, that is probably my fault, because of the horrible hacks we do in hie to keep track of the mapping state.
2019-04-07 01:11:33	mpickering	fendor: What's your plan?
2019-04-07 01:12:07	fendor	I'll extract getFormatttingProvider from LspStdio to HieExtras and invoke it in HsImport and LspStdio
2019-04-07 01:12:21	wz1000	Whenever we save a typechecked module, we have to save the mapping state at that point too, as we need to move the srcspans in the typechecked module from the temp file to the real file.
2019-04-07 01:13:49	mpickering	ok
2019-04-07 01:13:55	mpickering	why does that error happen in your video
2019-04-07 01:14:19	mpickering	now you know a live demo is very brave. Record some videos next time!
2019-04-07 01:15:17	wz1000	I got it working a few seconds later, by forcing the module to be reloaded
2019-04-07 01:15:44	mpickering	right but how could that path fail to exist? 
2019-04-07 01:16:11	mpickering	probably not something you have spent hours wondering about
2019-04-07 01:18:01	wz1000	Another thing is that because of the mapped file stuff, we have to mangle all the paths by calling canonicalizePath all over the place
2019-04-07 01:18:34	wz1000	And vscode is seriously broken when it comes to handling symlinks and files with multiple "different" paths
2019-04-07 01:19:15	wz1000	It treats those two files as different
2019-04-07 01:19:24	dxld	wow, that does sound broken
2019-04-07 01:19:34	dxld	even emacs handles that by default :p
2019-04-07 01:21:04	dxld	mpickering: do you think this list of tasks is enough?: https://gist.github.com/DanielG/78ffe0d95f706b85e4ef89766e93f5b4
2019-04-07 01:21:31	dxld	I'm thinking integrating c-h ties in nicely with the new-build lament from the motivation section and I'd want to do that anyways
2019-04-07 01:22:52	wz1000	so if you open a file baz/bar.hs(which is canonically foo/bar.hs) with hie, make some edits in baz/bar.hs, go to definition on some in-module symbol, vscode will open foo/bar.hs and suddenly you are editing two inconsistent versions of the same file simultaneously
2019-04-07 01:24:06	mpickering	yes seems like plenty
2019-04-07 01:24:20	wz1000	mpickering: anyway, ideally we shouldn't ever have HIE return /tmp/ghc-mod/whatever, we don't want anyone to know that the file even exists
2019-04-07 01:24:36	wz1000	And we really don't want them to open it and start editing
2019-04-07 01:25:16	mpickering	I'm not positive but I thought GHC took a tuple of (filename, file_location)
2019-04-07 01:25:35	mpickering	one sec
2019-04-07 01:25:40	wz1000	So its actually better that vscode didn't find that file, rather than for it to open some temporary file.
2019-04-07 01:27:24	mpickering	On my branch I do something with setTargets to modify the Target to set the path correctly
2019-04-07 01:27:31	mpickering	not sure where I got that idea from
2019-04-07 01:28:12	dxld	mpickering: seriously? has that been there the whole time?
2019-04-07 01:28:32	mpickering	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1164
2019-04-07 01:28:53	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/hie-bios/hie-bios/src/HIE/Bios/Load.hs#L121
2019-04-07 01:29:08	dxld	(been there the whole time in GHC I mean)
2019-04-07 01:29:30	mpickering	Well I'm unsure what that line does
2019-04-07 01:29:35	mpickering	but I must have deemed it necessary
2019-04-07 01:29:37	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/commit/f782b0aeb62460db4611f59abf90eeb00cec0fde
2019-04-07 01:30:27	dxld	hmm
2019-04-07 01:30:44	dxld	that just overrides the path though\
2019-04-07 01:31:05	dxld	I thought you meant there was a way to set the display filename vs. the one ghc actually reads
2019-04-07 01:31:39	dxld	Target only has three fields: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-8.6.1/docs/GHC.html#v:targetId
2019-04-07 01:31:55	dxld	and guessTarget isn't filling in targetContents
2019-04-07 01:32:05	dxld	so you are just changing which file gets read
2019-04-07 01:37:23	wz1000	Is there a platform independent way of checking if two paths point to the same file?
2019-04-07 01:40:04	fendor	can I run a IdeDeferM action in a IdeGhcM monad?
2019-04-07 01:41:14	dxld	wz1000: do you want to take hard-links into account? ;)
2019-04-07 01:41:34	dxld	because then things get tricky
2019-04-07 01:42:50	wz1000	fendor: yes, I believe it is possible
2019-04-07 01:43:25	fendor	well, a good start.
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2019-04-07 01:55:02	fendor	I can not seem to lift ...
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2019-04-07 02:04:53	mpickering	fendor: You have to run an `IdeDeferM` to get an `IdeM`
2019-04-07 02:05:29	mpickering	because the idea is that the computation is deferred until the module is loaded
2019-04-07 02:05:43	fendor	but I can not access the state var that is needed to run a ide defer m, right?
2019-04-07 02:06:04	mpickering	Probably not. What function is causing you problems you might be able to generalise it
2019-04-07 02:06:52	fendor	I want to run a `type FormattingProvider = Uri -> FormattingType -> FormattingOptions -> IdeDeferM (IdeResult [TextEdit])` in `IdeGhcM`
2019-04-07 02:07:56	fendor	FormattingProvider is the abstraction over multiple formatters afaik, so I thought, I could use it.
2019-04-07 02:08:10	mpickering	hmm 
2019-04-07 02:09:15	fendor	Maybe I can change the type of the function? that is the file: https://gist.github.com/fendor/8b37be27eef9929c1e8ad04dbc2f8e50
2019-04-07 02:09:32	fendor	the problem is importCmd
2019-04-07 02:09:54	mpickering	what are you planning to do with this formatting provider?
2019-04-07 02:10:13	mpickering	The point of executing a formatting provider is that it formats the current module yes?
2019-04-07 02:10:15	fendor	the formatting provider knows the formatter that the user selected
2019-04-07 02:10:24	fendor	in this case, a range, but yes
2019-04-07 02:10:42	fendor	function I am trying to get to compiel is on line 61
2019-04-07 02:10:59	wz1000	If you don't need to access a GhcMonad, you should use IdeDeferM instead of IdeM
2019-04-07 02:11:28	fendor	wz1000, but it is a PluginCommand, this seems to always be a GhcMonad
2019-04-07 02:11:29	wz1000	No, sorry, ignore what I said
2019-04-07 02:12:27	mpickering	ok fendor I am trying to understand what this function does
2019-04-07 02:12:31	mpickering	importModule that is
2019-04-07 02:15:17	fendor	lorenzo suggested something in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1115
2019-04-07 02:15:19	mpickering	how does the hsimport library even work
2019-04-07 02:15:48	fendor	mpickering, no clue
2019-04-07 02:16:02	fendor	but I think, the suggestion is to add a code action that can be easily invoked
2019-04-07 02:16:25	mpickering	that sounds sensible
2019-04-07 02:16:29	fendor	will try
2019-04-07 02:16:44	mpickering	I'm just a bit dubious about the code in the HsImport module being robust
2019-04-07 02:17:00	mpickering	fendor: You should know by now not to draw my attention to things like this!
2019-04-07 02:17:11	mpickering	the less stones unturned the better
2019-04-07 02:17:49	fendor	mpickering, a lot of stuff is dubious, I am seriously struggling with the code base right now... 
2019-04-07 02:18:02	fendor	but I'll try to understand it and improve it
2019-04-07 02:18:55	mpickering	lorenzo's answer sounds nice to me
2019-04-07 02:20:29	fendor	i think so too
2019-04-07 02:20:46	wz1000	fendor: does iterT and lifting twice not work?
2019-04-07 02:21:18	wz1000	But ideally only the dispatcher should be turning IdeDeferM in IdeM
2019-04-07 02:21:25	fendor	wz1000, did not try such an elaborate type
2019-04-07 02:21:33	fendor	I will implement it as a command
2019-04-07 02:23:01	mpickering	it's not very type safe this way though
2019-04-07 02:25:01	wz1000	You can also extract the logic of the IdeDeferM command as a IdeM command
2019-04-07 02:25:26	fendor	wz1000, thought the same!
2019-04-07 02:25:39	fendor	mpickering, why not?
2019-04-07 02:25:50	mpickering	because you type the name of the command you want to invoke as a string
2019-04-07 02:26:32	mpickering	So the formatting provider already allows you to format a specific range
2019-04-07 02:26:43	mpickering	I guess this is what you already discovered
2019-04-07 02:28:53	fendor	yeah, formatting providers already can do that
2019-04-07 02:29:22	mpickering	right so you just wanted to invoke it with a range 
2019-04-07 02:29:31	mpickering	and now you're going to add a command which you can pass a range
2019-04-07 02:31:00	fendor	mpickering, I would do both, one for the document, one for range
2019-04-07 02:31:10	fendor	maybe parameter to say that
2019-04-07 02:31:17	fendor	what does pluginGetFile do?
2019-04-07 02:31:18	fendor	0.o
2019-04-07 02:31:33	fendor	Brittany uses it to search for its config file? 0.o
2019-04-07 02:31:50	fendor	that seems wrong
2019-04-07 02:31:53	mpickering	It takes a uri which looks like  "file://path" and gives you "path"
2019-04-07 02:31:58	jose_zap	the only new action we need to expose is "format imports"
2019-04-07 02:32:44	jose_zap	we can already handle formatting the whole document and formatting a selection
2019-04-07 02:32:46	fendor	jose_zap, why not `format`? Can be used to format imports anyways?
2019-04-07 02:32:53	fendor	jose_zap, but not as a command
2019-04-07 02:33:14	jose_zap	but that's an editor feature, that uses the right lsp request to do that
2019-04-07 02:33:23	jose_zap	we wlaready ahndle those fine
2019-04-07 02:33:33	jose_zap	no need to expose as custom actions, as they are part of the protocol already
2019-04-07 02:33:49	fendor	jose_zap, maybe other pugins want to invoke the formatter after doing stuff, so a more flexible command seems ok
2019-04-07 02:34:06	fendor	*plugins
2019-04-07 02:34:38	jose_zap	the problem with that is that the action is exposed to the client
2019-04-07 02:34:48	jose_zap	a generic "format things" would be confusing
2019-04-07 02:36:42	fendor	the command is supposed to format just the inserted line... maybe it is the wrong approach in general then?
2019-04-07 02:37:25	jose_zap	that's what I meant in my comment in github
2019-04-07 02:37:34	fendor	jose_zap, also, is it really presented to the user if no code action provider is given?
2019-04-07 02:37:39	fendor	didnt see you commented yet, sorry
2019-04-07 02:37:40	jose_zap	formatting the single line is almost always not what I wanted
2019-04-07 02:38:30	jose_zap	I want all of my imports to be correctly aligned with respect of each other, and for some formatters, to keep them in alphabetical order
2019-04-07 02:39:38	jose_zap	probably we are giving way too granular freedom to the users by allowing them to only format a tiny bit of their code, instead of inviting them to just always format the whole document
2019-04-07 02:39:43	fendor	are you sure though that the command is presented to the user without a code action provider?
2019-04-07 02:39:47	jose_zap	which is what other languages do, and people accept just fine
2019-04-07 02:40:12	jose_zap	mmm, good question
2019-04-07 02:40:17	jose_zap	not 100% sure, no
2019-04-07 02:41:11	fendor	jose_zap, also, otherwise there needs to be a way for a plugin to invoke other plugins, e.g. formatter
2019-04-07 02:41:53	jose_zap	yeah, I agree
2019-04-07 02:42:20	jose_zap	maybe we could pass plugins an InChan to write requests into it as if they were clients?
2019-04-07 02:42:48	fendor	then every plugin would have a thread, or there is a worker thread that executes plugin commands?
2019-04-07 02:43:12	fendor	also, there is documentation is missing regarding what the parameters of FormattingProvider acutally do
2019-04-07 02:43:23	jose_zap	the OutChan would be in the scheduler, which is the single thread awaiting for things to do
2019-04-07 02:44:35	fendor	jose_zap, this would kind of require that the commands i want to invoke are indeed part of the lsp?
2019-04-07 02:45:01	jose_zap	yes
2019-04-07 02:45:30	jose_zap	but given the existence of custom actions, you could invoke quite a bit of things
2019-04-07 02:45:59	fendor	there are custom actions in lsp?
2019-04-07 02:46:05	fendor	well, actually, obviously
2019-04-07 02:47:51	fendor	ok, one more question: https://gist.github.com/fendor/55198b57fc1f4e9adbc5d116c72d8566
2019-04-07 02:48:01	fendor	in line 3 the uri is used to read the config
2019-04-07 02:48:11	fendor	well, rather the file to the uri.
2019-04-07 02:48:21	fendor	in line 4 the uri is used as the file to format right?
2019-04-07 02:48:47	fendor	this seems like nonsense, unless there can be formatting options in source
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2019-04-07 02:49:38	jose_zap	brittany requires a config, read from a config file, to work properly
2019-04-07 02:49:41	jose_zap	that's line 3
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2019-04-07 02:49:47	jose_zap	and line 4 is the actual file to format
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2019-04-07 02:50:38	fendor	jose_zap, but the file should be the real file from the uri right?
2019-04-07 02:51:38	jose_zap	we have a vfs (virtual file system) where we keep copies of the files the user is actaully editing
2019-04-07 02:51:56	jose_zap	I don't think it is the same file on disk
2019-04-07 02:52:56	fendor	yes, but that does not explain for me why we use that file to read the config of brittany?
2019-04-07 02:53:03	fendor	is it somehow associated?
2019-04-07 02:55:32	jose_zap	let me read the source
2019-04-07 02:55:33	jose_zap	one sec
2019-04-07 02:57:19	jose_zap	yeah, that makes no sense fendor you are right
2019-04-07 02:57:29	fendor	it has been like that for a very long time
2019-04-07 02:57:44	jose_zap	I guess britany is defaulting to an empty config since it cannot parse that
2019-04-07 02:57:51	fendor	i yes
2019-04-07 02:57:55	jose_zap	there are tickets about it, btw
2019-04-07 02:57:56	fendor	floskell is the same
2019-04-07 02:58:07	fendor	yes, I think that explains why local config is not honored
2019-04-07 02:58:11	jose_zap	exactly
2019-04-07 02:58:18	jose_zap	good job on finding the bug!
2019-04-07 02:58:18	jose_zap	haha
2019-04-07 02:58:40	fendor	thanks :)
2019-04-07 02:58:45	fendor	now, lets see how to fix that
2019-04-07 02:58:53	fendor	where does VFSroot point to?
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2019-04-07 03:00:45	jose_zap	no idea, to be honest
2019-04-07 03:01:53	fendor_	i will try
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2019-04-07 03:11:06	fendor	will submit a patch tomorrow
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2019-04-07 03:18:46	mpickering	fendor: That code looks right to me
2019-04-07 03:19:30	mpickering	On line 3, it tries to find the config file starting from the filepath
2019-04-07 03:19:41	mpickering	and then line 4 it reads the text it wants to format
2019-04-07 03:19:46	mpickering	nothing unusual going on?
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2019-04-07 15:05:01	mpickering	alanz: I intend to get rid of those submodules you are talking about
2019-04-07 15:05:47	@alanz	fair enough, but as a general principle, put them there anyway.
2019-04-07 15:06:08	@alanz	And take a look at the comment in the top of .gitmodules for the incantation to remove a submodule.
2019-04-07 15:06:12	@alanz	its pretty complex
2019-04-07 15:06:25	@alanz	I am finally taking a look at your branch
2019-04-07 15:06:48	mpickering	good luck
2019-04-07 15:06:54	@alanz	It sort of works against my simple test project, generates diagnostics for one file, not another one
2019-04-07 15:07:06	mpickering	what kind of project is it?
2019-04-07 15:07:17	@alanz	stack
2019-04-07 15:07:26	mpickering	paste me the log?
2019-04-07 15:07:26	@alanz	module Main.hs, B.hs
2019-04-07 15:07:49	@alanz	ok, give me a moment, need to start things clean
2019-04-07 15:09:21	@alanz	btw, it is explicitly testing having two different Main modules
2019-04-07 15:09:57	@alanz	https://gist.github.com/alanz/6b37a104afa036934db3546884961e15
2019-04-07 15:10:05	@alanz	will publish the project too, hold on
2019-04-07 15:11:53	mpickering	There should be some logs sent on stderr 
2019-04-07 15:12:08	mpickering	Which get sent to the output buffer in vscode
2019-04-07 15:12:35	@alanz	https://github.com/alanz/hie-test-project
2019-04-07 15:13:05	@alanz	Ok, will add that, hold on. Running in emacs at the moment though
2019-04-07 15:13:26	mpickering	They should still be sent to an output buffer I thought 
2019-04-07 15:13:43	mpickering	I didn't know at first how to properly log things so hacked everything to go to stderr
2019-04-07 15:13:56	@alanz	https://gist.github.com/alanz/5e9af29151f0263959ad156f5159147b
2019-04-07 15:14:12	@alanz	Basically open src/Main.hs
2019-04-07 15:14:23	@alanz	If I open src/B.hs I get diagnostics
2019-04-07 15:15:22	mpickering	That log seems fine to me
2019-04-07 15:15:32	mpickering	It looks like you just opened one file and it worked
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2019-04-07 15:16:39	mpickering	Perhaps not. Let me see if I can try locally
2019-04-07 15:16:59	@alanz	None of the hover stuff works, not code actions
2019-04-07 15:17:18	mpickering	Well the module did fail to load 
2019-04-07 15:17:27	mpickering	But I thought that was the point 
2019-04-07 15:17:54	@alanz	no, it is supposed to work, and does with the ghc-mod version
2019-04-07 15:17:58	mpickering	Ok
2019-04-07 15:18:02	mpickering	I'll have a look
2019-04-07 15:18:14	@alanz	that is the point of that test project, more than one main module, more than one component
2019-04-07 15:18:20	@alanz	take a look at the cabal file
2019-04-07 15:18:44	@alanz	sorry, I started testing on a complex case, had forgottern about it, take it for granted
2019-04-07 15:19:19	@alanz	interestingly, OtherMain.hs works as expected, your bios is selecting a particular component only
2019-04-07 15:20:26	@alanz	afk for a bit
2019-04-07 15:22:02	mpickering	ok this kind of setup isn't going to work nicely with the assumptions I have made
2019-04-07 15:22:25	mpickering	my opinion is if you structure your project in this manner then you shouldn't expect tooling to work easily..
2019-04-07 15:22:38	mpickering	having three components all using the same directory
2019-04-07 15:22:58	mpickering	it's also not how realistic projects are structured..
2019-04-07 15:25:23	mpickering	I could make this work if I turned off the optimisation which caches cradles 
2019-04-07 15:25:41	mpickering	at the expense of making it slower for normal use cases where your files are nicely delimited 
2019-04-07 15:28:21	mpickering	I could also add another option to configure the stack cradle to use `stack ghci` rather than `stack ghci src/filename.hs`
2019-04-07 15:30:55	mpickering	it's probably better to turn off caching and pass that responsibility to a custom bios/build tool 
2019-04-07 15:31:05	mpickering	as we have just seen it isn't 100% precise
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2019-04-07 16:09:56	@alanz	mpickering, this is functionality we *already have*
2019-04-07 16:10:13	@alanz	so whatever new thing comes in, must be able to do at least this
2019-04-07 16:10:28	mpickering	doesn't mean that it *should* be supported if it leads to a lot of implementation complexity
2019-04-07 16:10:35	@alanz	This is why I care about a module graph, or a complete module graph
2019-04-07 16:10:49	@alanz	which basically maps a file back to a component
2019-04-07 16:11:04	@alanz	which is trivial to do, once you have the graph, and is provided by cabal
2019-04-07 16:11:18	@alanz	so is available via cabal-helper
2019-04-07 16:11:54	mpickering	you mean the module graph for a component?
2019-04-07 16:11:59	@alanz	And telling people that the new shiny thing is taking away features does not fly very well
2019-04-07 16:12:31	@alanz	for each component, so you can work back from a file path to the component(s) it belongs to
2019-04-07 16:12:35	mpickering	well it doesn't work with new-build at all right?
2019-04-07 16:12:53	mpickering	so it's not taking any features away
2019-04-07 16:12:54	@alanz	not yet, but I think the new cabal-helper allows it
2019-04-07 16:13:18	@alanz	and that was a stack project we are testing against
2019-04-07 16:14:58	mpickering	I don't see the cradle finding logic that I implemented as very important to the branch as it can be changed easily and people can write programs which work very well for specific build tools
2019-04-07 16:15:18	mpickering	because the general interface is that you give it a filepath and it tells you which component/ghc-options it belongs to
2019-04-07 16:15:45	mpickering	the problem was because I tried to cache cradles in HIE
2019-04-07 16:15:58	mpickering	but that can't really work, as we discovered, it has to be up to the cradle finding logic to do the caching
2019-04-07 16:16:15	@alanz	yes
2019-04-07 16:16:37	mpickering	but I didn't implement any complicated cradles (like cabal-helper) 
2019-04-07 16:18:08	mpickering	but I don't really agree with judging my branch based on the fact that it fails on a complicated project structure. That's missing the point and is unfair imo
2019-04-07 16:19:24	mpickering	because if you want to make it work on a complicated project structure then you implement a different cradle which takes into account all the complexities
2019-04-07 16:19:48	mpickering	it's not the concern of HIE in particular to deal with any contortions of each build system
2019-04-07 16:19:54	@alanz	I agree, and said so, it was accidental that I tested on this one
2019-04-07 16:20:25	@alanz	but having multiple components in a cabal file is not a contortion of a build system. It is the way cabal is designed
2019-04-07 16:20:38	@alanz	so will affect all build systems, for a given cabal file
2019-04-07 16:21:04	@alanz	and this is fundamentally what cabal-helper is intended to manage, as I understand it
2019-04-07 16:21:28	mpickering	right and as I understand it, cabal-helper can be modified to fit into my branch without too many issues
2019-04-07 16:22:12	@alanz	yes, I understand that too, and for me that is a win/win situation
2019-04-07 16:22:49	@alanz	especially as we now have the new shiny cabal-helper, which is not integrated into ghc-mod(-core) in any way, so that integration should rather happen via hie-bios
2019-04-07 16:23:21	@alanz	And I actually think that that should be the focus of dxld's GSOC work, rather than a point at the end
2019-04-07 16:23:45	mpickering	alanz: Can you try loading a bigger project into my branch and comment on the response time after saving a file?
2019-04-07 16:24:39	mpickering	I tried to make that faster
2019-04-07 16:24:46	mpickering	but don't know how fast it is now
2019-04-07 16:24:59	@alanz	I guess I can, I have not really had issues with performance like that on my machine
2019-04-07 16:25:08	@alanz	the best would be to use the logs to actually measure it
2019-04-07 16:26:26	mpickering	I was trying on GHC which has 500 modules
2019-04-07 16:27:27	@alanz	I am actually impressed that it can do that
2019-04-07 16:28:06	@alanz	But not really sure where to start on that, and not keen to go into a multi-hour deep dive on it right now
2019-04-07 16:28:09	mpickering	it works until you try to hover over anything
2019-04-07 16:28:14	mpickering	ok don't worry about it then
2019-04-07 16:29:40	@alanz	hover is supposed to be lightning fast, as it only gets a result from a cached module, if it is not loaded, it should just not return anything
2019-04-07 16:29:45	@alanz	does it hang for hover?
2019-04-07 16:29:55	@alanz	or just not return anything useful?
2019-04-07 16:30:02	mpickering	It uses all my remaining memory
2019-04-07 16:30:10	mpickering	and starts swapping
2019-04-07 16:30:22	@alanz	that is strange
2019-04-07 16:30:31	mpickering	the way the type information is gathered is very inefficient
2019-04-07 16:30:39	mpickering	Zubin is going to fix it
2019-04-07 16:30:43	@alanz	I guess it is generating the typemap, which then gets evaluated for the first time
2019-04-07 16:30:47	@alanz	ok
2019-04-07 16:32:21	mpickering	yes it's generating the typemap which is the expensive part
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2019-04-07 18:38:39	@alanz	mpickering, have you looked at how we do module loading in hie/ghc-mod-core? https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/blob/cabal-new-merged/core/GhcMod/ModuleLoader.hs#L72
2019-04-07 18:39:11	@alanz	we can pick up multiple typecheckedmodules at a time, as the changed module is loaded
2019-04-07 18:55:32	mpickering	that is how it works on my branch as well
2019-04-07 18:55:40	mpickering	although it's unclear to me what the benefit of doing this is?
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2019-04-07 19:04:59	@alanz	does your branch pick up multiple modules at the same time?
2019-04-07 19:05:15	@alanz	there was discussion about caching modules earlier, not sure if this is related
2019-04-07 19:09:09	mpickering	yes look at the setTypecheckedModule function
2019-04-07 19:09:11	mpickering	and cacheModules
2019-04-07 19:40:00	@alanz	hmm, current hie master does not do go to definition. That is an unwelcome change
2019-04-07 19:41:36	@alanz	nope, it is the emacs-lsp client that is broken. Damn
2019-04-07 19:48:03	@alanz	mpickering, it looks like you keep every single module that is loaded. We pass in a discrimination function, and only keep the modules we care about, which is the ones with a VFS entry (i.e. currently open in the ide)
2019-04-07 20:10:16	mpickering	alanz: What's the purpose of the cache?
2019-04-07 20:10:30	mpickering	because there are no queries which look for references in the whole project right?
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2019-04-07 20:18:59	fendor	was it ever discuss to provide a style guide for hie? I think it would be helpful to have a brittany.yaml for the project
2019-04-07 20:19:03	fendor	or floskell
2019-04-07 20:22:29	@alanz	fendor, I have an aversion to auto-formatting a whole project. But I am in favour of a style guid
2019-04-07 20:22:31	@alanz	guide
2019-04-07 20:23:18	@alanz	mpickering, wz1000 it struck me, it might make sense to access the .hie file when loading a module, so we do not have to re-parse it when it changes it
2019-04-07 20:23:23	fendor	hm, well the problem is that vscode auto formats normally on save. This reformats the whole file
2019-04-07 20:23:42	@alanz	oops
2019-04-07 20:23:53	fendor	while I understand your concern, it would help keeping the diffs small 
2019-04-07 20:23:55	mpickering	reparse what when what changes?
2019-04-07 20:24:03	@alanz	the .hie file
2019-04-07 20:24:25	@alanz	at the moment, with the new ghc, a .hie file is written as a byproduct of compilation. As I understand it
2019-04-07 20:24:33	mpickering	indeed
2019-04-07 20:24:43	@alanz	And we will then process it, for use in HIE.
2019-04-07 20:24:51	mpickering	yes
2019-04-07 20:24:59	@alanz	so possibly we can skip a serialisation/deserialisation step in some cases
2019-04-07 20:25:13	mpickering	I suppose you could do that
2019-04-07 20:25:21	@alanz	I was thinking of the typemap problem, as I walked my dogs
2019-04-07 20:25:26	mpickering	but the point as well is to not load the information into memory
2019-04-07 20:25:50	@alanz	yes, but we can generate the typemap from the already existing .hie file
2019-04-07 20:26:14	mpickering	and also, you could imagine a mode for HIE where you pass a directory for it to watch which contains .hie files which are produced by something else
2019-04-07 20:26:18	@alanz	which should be a simple collect, rather than the time-consuming process we follow now. Just thinking about it
2019-04-07 20:26:29	mpickering	yes, that's the idea I think
2019-04-07 20:26:41	@alanz	I see this more as an optimisation, we would still write it out
2019-04-07 20:26:46	mpickering	rather than a file you probably want to store the typemap in a database though
2019-04-07 20:26:50	mpickering	to avoid high memory usage
2019-04-07 20:26:53	mpickering	and enable persistence
2019-04-07 20:26:57	mpickering	same for references
2019-04-07 20:27:01	@alanz	agree.
2019-04-07 20:27:18	@alanz	I have always had the idea of some kind of backend server for the total info
2019-04-07 20:27:31	@alanz	there was a scion project aiming to do that, at some point. And leksah has one
2019-04-07 20:27:54	@alanz	but the .hie files and coming infrastructure should make it much easier
2019-04-07 20:28:43	@alanz	the disable env files by default patch just hit cabal master
2019-04-07 20:35:44	@alanz	"What's the purpose of the cache?"  If a module is re-loaded based on a change in a dependent module, then the info is refreshed
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2019-04-07 20:42:49	@alanz	something we need to consider at some future date: if module A depends on module B, and B is edited, triggering a DidChange event, we should actually try to reload A too, to get its fresh info
2019-04-07 20:43:11	@alanz	mpickering, does your hashing scheme deal with changed dependencies for a module?
2019-04-07 20:43:20	mpickering	a lot of things going on here!
2019-04-07 20:43:49	@alanz	its scary how many moving parts there are in this whole thing
2019-04-07 20:44:10	mpickering	Can you explain more about the purpose of thecache I don't understand the project struture you are descriving
2019-04-07 20:44:17	@alanz	and everyone expects it to just work, for their own quirly environment
2019-04-07 20:44:19	mpickering	So you have one buffer with A.hs in it
2019-04-07 20:44:33	mpickering	Then you load it
2019-04-07 20:44:40	mpickering	and then A.hs is entered into the module cache
2019-04-07 20:44:45	@alanz	yes
2019-04-07 20:44:52	mpickering	then this module is used to answer queries such as generating the typemap
2019-04-07 20:44:54	mpickering	rather than reload it
2019-04-07 20:44:58	mpickering	so far so good
2019-04-07 20:45:01	@alanz	say you have A which imports B which imports C
2019-04-07 20:45:32	mpickering	Then say you cache A, B and C in the module cache, but only A is open
2019-04-07 20:45:39	@alanz	yes.
2019-04-07 20:45:41	mpickering	Then you can in theory answer queries about B and C
2019-04-07 20:45:47	mpickering	but that doesn't currently happen
2019-04-07 20:45:57	mpickering	then when B and C are opening in a buffer, they are reloaded anyway
2019-04-07 20:46:03	@alanz	yes, because they are not kept, as they are not opened.
2019-04-07 20:46:11	mpickering	on my branch they are kept
2019-04-07 20:46:27	mpickering	but anyway
2019-04-07 20:46:28	@alanz	But if you change C, then edit A, B will get refreshed in a drive-by fashion
2019-04-07 20:46:47	mpickering	So if you have A and C open in buffers
2019-04-07 20:46:59	@alanz	I think it is a matter of working out exactly what needs to happen to keep things up to date
2019-04-07 20:47:12	mpickering	What about B gets refreshed?
2019-04-07 20:47:16	mpickering	the cache info? but it's not open?
2019-04-07 20:47:24	@alanz	well, if A, B and C are all in buffers.
2019-04-07 20:47:45	@alanz	But B is not being edited at the moment, and you change C
2019-04-07 20:47:55	mpickering	you change and save C?
2019-04-07 20:47:59	@alanz	right now, neither A nor B will be reloaded
2019-04-07 20:48:24	@alanz	Well, in master "change" triggers a DidChange, updates VFS, and triggers a module reload
2019-04-07 20:48:34	@alanz	in your branch you have disabled that feature
2019-04-07 20:48:50	mpickering	yes but until you save then the changes in C aren't going to be reflected in A or B right?
2019-04-07 20:49:06	mpickering	because A looks for C in C.hs rather than /tmp/VFS
2019-04-07 20:49:11	@alanz	well, in master, if you change A, it will see the updated C
2019-04-07 20:49:19	@alanz	because we map all the targets
2019-04-07 20:49:33	mpickering	how is that implemented?
2019-04-07 20:49:46	@alanz	and basically set the target list to explicitly include the mapped files
2019-04-07 20:49:53	@alanz	let me dig out the ref
2019-04-07 20:51:37	mpickering	do you use GHC -M to find out what files a module depends on?
2019-04-07 20:53:59	@alanz	here: https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/blob/cabal-new-merged/core/GhcMod/Target.hs#L233
2019-04-07 20:54:21	@alanz	we do keep track of the module graph, in ghc-mod, so can find that out
2019-04-07 20:54:58	@alanz	but in that line I just showed you we basically add all the currently open files into the list of targets we want to load, and update their info on load
2019-04-07 20:55:10	@alanz	currently open == has VFS entry
2019-04-07 20:55:17	@alanz	== has mapped file
2019-04-07 20:55:32	mpickering	ok
2019-04-07 20:55:39	mpickering	afk for a bit
2019-04-07 20:55:47	@alanz	me too, time for gym
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2019-04-07 22:21:55	fendor	is there consens on how a plugin should call another plugin?
2019-04-07 22:34:56	@alanz	fendor, where is the PR that you are working on?
2019-04-07 22:35:05	fendor	for hsimport?
2019-04-07 22:35:12	@alanz	I saw some discussion around this, but have not actually looked at it yet
2019-04-07 22:35:24	@alanz	Ok, will take a look
2019-04-07 22:35:25	fendor	there is none yet really, wait a second, will push
2019-04-07 22:35:42	@alanz	#1165?
2019-04-07 22:35:46	fendor	https://github.com/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/tree/hsimport-use-formattingprovider
2019-04-07 22:36:09	fendor	alanz, no, that just updates documentation
2019-04-07 22:36:33	@alanz	ok
2019-04-07 22:37:16	fendor	currently i am trying to call the correct formatter in hsimport
2019-04-07 22:37:36	fendor	i thought, i could do it by defining a PluginCommand that can be run with runPluginCommand
2019-04-07 22:37:48	fendor	and serialise everything on the way
2019-04-07 22:39:23	fendor	however, this feels like it has a lot of overhead
2019-04-07 22:39:27	@alanz	I am quite rusty on this stuff, let me take a look first
2019-04-07 22:41:26	fendor	btw, lsp has a codeaction to format imports
2019-04-07 22:43:34	@alanz	LSP as a whole, or hie?
2019-04-07 22:46:59	fendor	seemingly lsp. Present in haskell-lsp-types
2019-04-07 22:50:42	@alanz	ok
2019-04-07 22:52:31	@alanz	I think the thing is to process it similar to the ReqDocumentRangeFormatting request in LspStdio, but let the callback generate a workspace/applyEdit to do the actual formatting
2019-04-07 22:52:37	@alanz	which is server originated
2019-04-07 22:52:44	@alanz	But I need to look some more
2019-04-07 22:54:11	@alanz	the organizeImports thing is a categorisation thing for the code action, so the client UI can present it appropriately
2019-04-07 22:54:39	fendor	oh, ok
2019-04-07 22:54:44	fendor	well, not needed right now
2019-04-07 22:58:23	fendor	it doesnt look similar to ReqDocumentRangeFormatting request. HsImport is a code action right? 
2019-04-07 22:58:29	fendor	not a lsp message
2019-04-07 23:25:26	dxld	wz1000: how sure are you just sharing NameCache is all we need to make cross component analysis work? I'm thinking about including that in my proposal
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2019-04-08 00:02:51	mpickering	It's plausible isn't it
2019-04-08 00:06:15	lukelau	fendor: lsp-test-0.5.1.0 is up now
2019-04-08 00:06:30	fendor	lukelau, nice! thank you!
2019-04-08 00:06:39	lukelau	I’m travelling at the moment so had to do it from a friends university work station
2019-04-08 00:06:54	lukelau	Took me a while since the version of cabal there was 1.something
2019-04-08 00:07:18	lukelau	That’s how I found out they provide pre-compiled binaries!
2019-04-08 00:10:00	fendor	lukelau, uh, sorry, didnt mean to interrupt your travels!
2019-04-08 00:32:03	wz1000	dxld: I'm not certain about "all we need", but not having it certainly would make analysis difficult
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2019-04-08 00:37:01	dxld	alanz: what's your feeling, would having uniqs span across multiple components make global analysis possible/easier in, say, HaRe?
2019-04-08 00:37:08	dxld	I
2019-04-08 00:37:31	dxld	I'm not really that familiar with the AST details in that space
2019-04-08 00:38:55	lukelau	fendor: not at all, I should have done it ages ago
2019-04-08 00:40:28	@alanz	dxld, having the same uniq across components/modules would definitely help. It is a pain to match them up at the moment
2019-04-08 00:40:45	mpickering	dxld: I'm not sure it would actually help thinking about it
2019-04-08 00:41:04	mpickering	if one component depends on another like a normal package then it certainly wouldn't
2019-04-08 00:41:13	mpickering	(I think)
2019-04-08 00:41:20	mpickering	perhaps it's worth trying anyway
2019-04-08 00:41:38	dxld	I'd definetly make it an optional task
2019-04-08 00:42:27	@alanz	dxld, in my view your main task should be getting cabal-helper integrated into hie-bios and hie
2019-04-08 00:42:41	@alanz	and on to hackage
2019-04-08 00:42:52	@alanz	(but I am biased)
2019-04-08 00:43:08	dxld	thing is I don't think that will actually take long enough :)
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2019-04-08 00:44:05	@alanz	I am pretty sure the whole thing is going to end up a lot more complex than you realise
2019-04-08 00:44:26	@alanz	especially to bring over the various corner cases, test configs, and the like
2019-04-08 00:45:10	@alanz	The multi-component stuff is important too, but I would rather see the main solid result being a working bios, and multi as the "also done" part
2019-04-08 00:45:15	dxld	possibly, but I still think fixing stuff in ghc has precedence
2019-04-08 00:46:22	@alanz	ok.
2019-04-08 00:47:05	@alanz	I just want to see a path that ends up with a solid BIOS, without waiting years still
2019-04-08 00:50:39	dxld	my main reservation with focusing on hie is the iffy test automation situation
2019-04-08 00:51:19	mpickering	do you mean that because there's no tests for hie-bios at the moment?
2019-04-08 00:51:31	dxld	nah, not primarily
2019-04-08 00:51:42	dxld	those we can add
2019-04-08 00:52:02	dxld	I'm more worried about the parts of hie that involve caching
2019-04-08 00:52:03	mpickering	I thought hie had quite a lot of tests 
2019-04-08 00:52:11	dxld	of which there are lots
2019-04-08 00:52:24	dxld	well I mean I couldn't the the test suite working
2019-04-08 00:52:28	dxld	so that's not encouraging
2019-04-08 00:52:35	dxld	if the test suite isn't tested :)
2019-04-08 00:52:46	mpickering	on my branch?
2019-04-08 00:52:50	dxld	no master
2019-04-08 00:52:54	mpickering	oh
2019-04-08 00:52:59	dxld	just sort of hangs
2019-04-08 00:53:03	mpickering	It seems the tests work on CI 
2019-04-08 00:53:10	mpickering	but don't work for anyone locally
2019-04-08 00:53:10	dxld	spits out one vague error message and then hangs
2019-04-08 00:53:14	dxld	just lovely
2019-04-08 00:56:23	fendor	dxld, btw, did you talk with hvr what to do about show-build-info? 
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2019-04-08 01:01:54	dxld	fendor: yeah I did but he had to go in the middle of the conversation
2019-04-08 01:02:05	dxld	so we never got to a definite conclusion
2019-04-08 01:02:28	dxld	but I think you can just ignore the comments on moving stuff to exe:cabal exclusively
2019-04-08 01:02:46	dxld	he forgot to take build-type:Custom packages into account when he suggested that
2019-04-08 01:03:36	fendor	dxld, so, merge then?
2019-04-08 01:03:38	dxld	and doing that would also foil my cabal-helper plans of mainly interacting with the lib:Cabal part
2019-04-08 01:03:53	fendor	dxld, no worries, I was halfway done with it anyways...
2019-04-08 01:04:02	dxld	?
2019-04-08 01:04:35	fendor	i noticed the your comment 3 hours late, so I ahd already started with it. If we ever change mind, there is a branch forit
2019-04-08 01:04:49	dxld	oh damn
2019-04-08 01:05:04	dxld	that is what I was trying to avoid by giving you a heads up
2019-04-08 01:05:11	fendor	yeah, i was too eager
2019-04-08 01:05:40	dxld	I'm surprised moving it even worked out honestly
2019-04-08 01:05:48	fendor	however, can I do something to push the pr? e.g. make it ready for merge?
2019-04-08 01:06:08	dxld	would have expected some roadblock because it just doesn't fit the into the Setup.hs seperation design
2019-04-08 01:06:08	fendor	dxld, didnt yet, configure step was missing
2019-04-08 01:06:17	@alanz	dxld, the hie tests run with stack, not sure if they work for cabal, tbh
2019-04-08 01:07:07	dxld	fendor: well I suppose it doesn't matter now
2019-04-08 01:07:43	fendor	dxld, yeah, didnt touch it since
2019-04-08 01:08:06	fendor	then ill just wait for hvr what he is going to say
2019-04-08 01:08:15	fendor	already wrote an email
2019-04-08 01:08:21	dxld	I'll give it another review when I get a chance
2019-04-08 01:08:36	fendor	no hurry, i know this needs a serious discussion
2019-04-08 01:08:38	dxld	but I really have to finish this gsoc proposal
2019-04-08 01:09:11	fendor	then do that :)
2019-04-08 01:09:12	dxld	I think it's ok to merge it early, but I still have to seriously verify if we have everything I need in c-h
2019-04-08 01:09:52	dxld	not sure when the next cabal release is planned but we should probably make sure we don't get the half baked version into the release if we do an early merge
2019-04-08 01:11:21	dxld	in the meantime I guess you could work on the PR to make write-autogen-files into a new-build flag?
2019-04-08 01:11:38	fendor	dxld, i can try!
2019-04-08 01:11:53	dxld	shoudln't be too hard
2019-04-08 01:12:09	dxld	I did the PR for --only-configure and it was downright trivial once you find the right place to put it
2019-04-08 01:13:33	fendor	thanks, will look at that flag
2019-04-08 01:13:40	dxld	https://github.com/haskell/cabal/pull/5578/files
2019-04-08 01:14:04	dxld	I think you'll have to add somewhat more plumbing since aborting after preprocessing is a new thing
2019-04-08 01:14:21	dxld	but configuring was already there I just had to hook up the commandline UI
2019-04-08 01:15:13	dxld	also we should decide how --only-configure would interact with this new flag
2019-04-08 01:15:54	dxld	or maybe we should just outlaw combining them
2019-04-08 01:16:07	fendor	thanks for the tips!
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2019-04-08 09:20:08	teto	no changelog for 0.8.0.0 release :'( https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/releases ?
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2019-04-08 17:09:55	mpickering	How do I use the "Go to Type Definition" feature?
2019-04-08 17:10:31	jose_zap	depends on the editor
2019-04-08 17:10:47	jose_zap	which editor are you using?
2019-04-08 17:10:51	mpickering	vscode
2019-04-08 17:11:00	mpickering	I can't see the command in the command palette 
2019-04-08 17:11:35	mpickering	do I need to update the extension as well so that it advertises the feature is available now?
2019-04-08 17:12:06	jose_zap	mmm, I don't think that is necessary
2019-04-08 17:12:47	jose_zap	in vscode you right click on the symbol and then seleect "Go to type definition"
2019-04-08 17:12:57	jose_zap	I don;t see any shortcut for that
2019-04-08 17:13:00	mpickering	that sounds promising 
2019-04-08 17:13:06	mpickering	but it doesn't appear in my menu when I right click
2019-04-08 17:13:18	mpickering	which is why I suggested I needed to modify something else
2019-04-08 17:14:05	jose_zap	I wonder if the problem is the server not publishing the capability
2019-04-08 17:17:14	mpickering	do you know where in the code deals with that?
2019-04-08 17:22:08	jose_zap	looking
2019-04-08 17:22:42	mpickering	I was accidently using an old stale version but still doesn't work with a new version
2019-04-08 17:23:32	mpickering	are you using the latest master of hie or another language server?
2019-04-08 17:23:58	jose_zap	I'm not yet in latest master, currently trying to make some tests pass for another branch
2019-04-08 17:24:03	jose_zap	I use other language servers
2019-04-08 17:24:36	jose_zap	reading the code of hie, I see that we do not send any server capabilities at all (there is a TODO that we should do it at some point)
2019-04-08 17:24:44	jose_zap	so that cannot be the problem
2019-04-08 17:25:16	mpickering	I;ll wait for fendor to appear and ask how he tested
2019-04-08 17:25:32	jose_zap	ok
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2019-04-08 18:56:03	michaelpj	what would it take to get cross-package jump to definition working? in particular when the packages are all part of a local cabal.project, this would be very nice. I guess GHC just thinks the symbol comes from the package database used for compiling the current component, so it's a bit tricky
2019-04-08 18:58:40	@alanz	michaelpj, the end of the upcoming GSOC, hopefully
2019-04-08 18:58:50	michaelpj	sweet
2019-04-08 19:00:02	michaelpj	mpickering: I tried your hie-bios branch again. It seems to work on some of my projects now, some of them it still says it doesn't get a parsed/typechecked module from ghc-mod, but I guess that's not your problem? or are you interested in that
2019-04-08 19:19:49	mpickering	michaelpj: No that's likely my fault, I just didn;t remove the ghc-mod references
2019-04-08 19:20:03	michaelpj	well, it does seem to be broken in that case
2019-04-08 19:20:16	michaelpj	in particular, I am observing some cases where it claims it can't see modules
2019-04-08 19:20:29	mpickering	Can you describe the setup?
2019-04-08 19:20:49	michaelpj	it's open-source, so I can give you exactly the thing I'm running
2019-04-08 19:22:05	mpickering	if you describe in general then I could predict what's going wrong
2019-04-08 19:22:15	michaelpj	well, I'm not sure what's the key thing here
2019-04-08 19:22:20	michaelpj	it seems to be a random dep it can't se
2019-04-08 19:22:54	michaelpj	what information would be useful? the logs?
2019-04-08 19:22:57	mpickering	cabal/stack?
2019-04-08 19:23:04	michaelpj	cabal
2019-04-08 19:23:09	mpickering	single component project?
2019-04-08 19:23:11	mpickering	explicitly configuration?
2019-04-08 19:24:11	michaelpj	no - it *is* a multi-component project where I observe this
2019-04-08 19:24:17	michaelpj	it even has multiple libraries
2019-04-08 19:24:26	michaelpj	but I set the component in the cradle config
2019-04-08 19:24:35	michaelpj	I could try some more packages
2019-04-08 19:25:03	michaelpj	also, it still takes *ages* in the HIE process once the cabal processes have returned before I get my first diagnostics
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2019-04-08 19:28:08	michaelpj	aha: it's my fault
2019-04-08 19:28:10	mpickering	michaelpj: So it takes a long time after all the "[1/n]" loaded messages have finished?
2019-04-08 19:28:40	michaelpj	I'm looking at a file in the other library component, so it's only including the deps from the first component, which doesn't include this lib
2019-04-08 19:28:44	michaelpj	so WAD, I assume
2019-04-08 19:28:57	michaelpj	although obviously working more seamlessly on multi-component packages would be nice
2019-04-08 19:29:42	mpickering	michaelpj: Right.. that's certainly planned 
2019-04-08 19:29:49	michaelpj	mpickering: I don't see any `[1/n]` messages, I'm just observing externally that the cabal subprocesses terminate and then a hie process sits eating a core for ~1min before something happens
2019-04-08 19:29:58	michaelpj	I would have expected the cabal processes to be the slow bit!
2019-04-08 19:30:03	mpickering	ok
2019-04-08 19:30:09	mpickering	Are you requesting hover or anything?
2019-04-08 19:30:27	michaelpj	I was just trying to get diagnostics - so I made a whitespace change and saved
2019-04-08 19:31:45	mpickering	ok if the project is open source I would love to profile it
2019-04-08 19:31:53	michaelpj	I have to say, from my Java days I do miss the ability to just connect to a random program and look at wtf it is doing
2019-04-08 19:32:58	mpickering	that is definitely something I have thought as well 
2019-04-08 19:33:14	mpickering	debugging facilities are very lacking
2019-04-08 19:33:21	michaelpj	mpickering: project here: https://github.com/input-output-hk/plutus ; make sure to add the IOHK binary cache ; I'm looking at the `plutus-tx` package, configuring the cradle to look at the `plutus-tx-compiler` component ; opening `plutus-tx/compiler/src/Language/PlutusTx/Builtins.hs` and making a trivial change
2019-04-08 19:34:14	michaelpj	things should be buildable with new-build
2019-04-08 19:34:39	michaelpj	so you can try other packages too, I just picked `plutus-tx` because it has a lot going on from the cabal point of view (multiple components, one of which defines a compiler plugin used by the others!)
2019-04-08 19:35:18	mpickering	how do I add the IOHK binary cache
2019-04-08 19:36:01	michaelpj	it's in the README
2019-04-08 19:37:00	michaelpj	(I wonder if there's a way to get the nice `cachix use` workflow for a cache that's backed by a hydra instance...)
2019-04-08 19:38:13	mpickering	so I add the cache and then nix-shell and then new-build should work?
2019-04-08 19:41:16	michaelpj	yes
2019-04-08 19:41:32	michaelpj	it'll rebuild the extra deps because of a cabal bug, but other than that it should just download everything
2019-04-08 19:41:43	mpickering	right it's working
2019-04-08 19:42:34	michaelpj	\o/
2019-04-08 19:42:45	mpickering	now to test vscode
2019-04-08 19:43:26	michaelpj	don't forget the cradle setup, otherwise it'll try to use the stack config
2019-04-08 19:43:38	michaelpj	although for all I know that does actually work, I just haven't tried it because I don't use it
2019-04-08 19:44:21	michaelpj	going afk for a bit but sounds like you've got it more or less working
2019-04-08 19:47:24	mpickering	the documentation building it messing stuff up I think
2019-04-08 19:50:14	mpickering	michaelpj: So if you comment out "documentation: true" in the cabal.project then open the file you said
2019-04-08 19:50:23	mpickering	feedback is very fast on save
2019-04-08 19:51:34	mpickering	the bug here is that `cabal v2-repl -v0` outputs to stdout 
2019-04-08 19:53:31	mpickering	< 0.1 second I would say
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2019-04-08 20:33:35	michaelpj	mpickering: yeah, getting rid of the documentation build improves things, although I still see a lot of activity in the hie process
2019-04-08 20:33:49	mpickering	What actions are you doing?
2019-04-08 20:34:24	michaelpj	just the same as I described - a whitespace change
2019-04-08 20:34:33	michaelpj	it's in the import section, so possibly it's triggering hover or completion?
2019-04-08 20:34:35	mpickering	you are probably 
2019-04-08 20:34:39	mpickering	triggering hover
2019-04-08 20:34:49	michaelpj	:/
2019-04-08 20:35:14	michaelpj	do we expect that to be slow?
2019-04-08 20:35:16	mpickering	but when you save the feedback in instant right?
2019-04-08 20:35:47	michaelpj	yeah, it's pretty fast after the initial ones
2019-04-08 20:35:55	mpickering	I don't think the implementation has changed in a long time and it is a very inefficient implemtnation 
2019-04-08 20:36:02	michaelpj	the initial hover (if that's what it is) also seems to block diagnostics until it's done
2019-04-08 20:36:04	michaelpj	I think
2019-04-08 20:36:20	mpickering	I think that's right from reading the source
2019-04-08 20:36:45	michaelpj	in that case: working as expected, and indeed the update does seem to be very snappy once it gets there
2019-04-08 20:36:48	michaelpj	so nice work :)
2019-04-08 20:37:30	mpickering	still a lot of teething issues to work out as you can see but I need help to get the branch finished at this stage
2019-04-08 20:37:34	mpickering	thanks for trying it
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2019-04-08 22:54:54	dxld	mpickering: I think I'm more or less done with the proposal text, any comments?: https://gist.github.com/DanielG/78ffe0d95f706b85e4ef89766e93f5b4
2019-04-08 22:55:07	dxld	alanz: ^
2019-04-08 22:56:18	dxld	alanz: I'm not dead set on the order and priority of things, I still have to assign time estimates and required/optional status anyways, so how would you want things arranged?
2019-04-08 22:59:44	mpickering	How does cabal-helper 1.0 work? It's not clear to me what the library does from this description 
2019-04-08 23:00:04	dxld	yeah I figured I might be a bit vague on that point
2019-04-08 23:00:14	mpickering	The whole section is vague
2019-04-08 23:00:25	dxld	well i mean all of section 3
2019-04-08 23:02:02	dxld	problem is as soon as I start explaining what it actually does the section will blow up like crazy
2019-04-08 23:02:13	dxld	it's not as if I list all the intricacies of HIE either
2019-04-08 23:02:18	dxld	nor ghc :)
2019-04-08 23:02:38	dxld	it's an established thing that solves a problem that I'm going to make better
2019-04-08 23:02:47	dxld	what more does a proposal reviewer really need to know?
2019-04-08 23:02:59	dxld	I mean I say it's to enable new-build support in at least two places
2019-04-08 23:10:35	fendor	it is so sad that gsoc already starts in june.
2019-04-08 23:12:10	mpickering	I did it two times and had to start a bit late because of when my exams were
2019-04-08 23:13:32	mpickering	dxld: Proposal looks good to me
2019-04-08 23:14:01	fendor	i dont think i could do that during the exams
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2019-04-08 23:15:03	mpickering	what are the timelines?
2019-04-08 23:17:36	fendor	mpickering, for what? the exams? i dunno, but it usually a lot.
2019-04-08 23:18:01	mpickering	if the overlap is a few weeks then you could start a few weeks later and finish a few weeks later
2019-04-08 23:18:35	fendor	what is the time of gsoc again?
2019-04-08 23:19:07	mpickering	May 27 - Aug 27
2019-04-08 23:20:40	fendor	hm,i dont think that is sensible for me
2019-04-08 23:20:50	mpickering	ok sorry about that
2019-04-08 23:20:57	mpickering	your contributions have been very helpful recently
2019-04-08 23:21:12	mpickering	ah I have a question for you, how am I meant to use go to type definition :) ?
2019-04-08 23:21:33	mpickering	I merged your changes into your branch but it didn't work in vscode
2019-04-08 23:22:03	fendor	i dont know, maybe there is no handler in vscode for it yet? :D 
2019-04-08 23:22:09	fendor	i ll take a look in 20 min
2019-04-08 23:22:24	mpickering	how did you test it?
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2019-04-08 23:36:40	@alanz	dxld, having supper, will look shortly
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2019-04-08 23:51:09	fendor	mpickering, i am back, did you find something already? otherwise i will try to find it out now
2019-04-08 23:51:40	mpickering	no
2019-04-08 23:51:50	mpickering	if it works for you I will find out why my setup is broken
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2019-04-08 23:53:45	fendor	tbh, i never actually executed it
2019-04-08 23:53:53	fendor	just used it with lsp-test
2019-04-08 23:54:00	fendor	which is kind of like a client
2019-04-08 23:54:07	fendor	so, i will try to find it out
2019-04-08 23:57:14	mpickering	hehe so it's probably broken then :)
2019-04-08 23:59:28	fendor	*not implemented ;)
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2019-04-09 00:07:13	@alanz	dxld, I would prefer to see the order as 3,4,1,2
2019-04-09 00:07:39	@alanz	which gives us concrete benfits we can use at the end of GSOC, vs waiting for the next GHC release cycle
2019-04-09 00:08:00	@alanz	And the target loading stuff may overlap slightly with Zubin's proposal
2019-04-09 00:09:22	jose_zap	alanz some evidence that running diagnostics on change creates bad reputation for hie https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/bavhs0/is_it_just_me_or_hie_with_vscode_sucks/
2019-04-09 00:09:46	jose_zap	as module that is slow to check makes things much worse if done on almos every key stroke
2019-04-09 00:11:37	@alanz	jose_zap, ok, so having a flag is a good idea. I think we should also consider increasing the delay from 350ms to 1000ms or so
2019-04-09 00:11:38	fendor	alanz, do we need to update the vscode-client code to send the ReqTypeDefinition?
2019-04-09 00:11:56	jose_zap	that's a good idea
2019-04-09 00:12:15	@alanz	fendor:it's part of the lsp spec, isn't it?
2019-04-09 00:12:21	fendor	yes
2019-04-09 00:12:37	fendor	but maybe a keyboard shortcut?
2019-04-09 00:12:52	@alanz	so it should already be in vscode somewhere
2019-04-09 00:13:17	@alanz	because the whole point is that the client only has to do extra stuff, not things in the spec
2019-04-09 00:13:33	fendor	oh, ok
2019-04-09 00:13:36	@alanz	otherwise we have to develop specific client code for every different one
2019-04-09 00:13:57	@alanz	so, dig into the vscode docs and see how it is requested
2019-04-09 00:14:18	@alanz	It might be that we have to send it back as a configuration capability
2019-04-09 00:16:11	@alanz	fendor, take a look at https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/gh-pages/specification.md#textdocumentclientcapabilities-define-capabilities-the-editor--tool-provides-on-text-documents
2019-04-09 00:16:26	@alanz	TextDocumentRegistrationOptions
2019-04-09 00:17:32	@alanz	fendor, it is in the ServerCapabilities in that section, typeDefinitionProvider.
2019-04-09 00:17:45	fendor	alanz, thanks, will take a look!
2019-04-09 00:18:00	@alanz	You will probably have to make a PR on haskell-lsp to update that type, and then make sure that LspStdio sets it properly
2019-04-09 00:18:16	@alanz	as per all the others, if a handler is specified, set that flag
2019-04-09 00:18:29	@alanz	ask if you get stuck
2019-04-09 00:19:14	fendor	nice, i will do that
2019-04-09 00:37:20	@alanz	jose_zap, "it's just a project generated with `stack new my-new-project`"
2019-04-09 00:37:36	jose_zap	that sounds off
2019-04-09 00:37:37	@alanz	I think the problem is not diagnostics on save
2019-04-09 00:37:56	jose_zap	yeah, you are right
2019-04-09 00:38:34	@alanz	that is probably the initial stack build of the project
2019-04-09 00:38:46	@alanz	which means that our status feedback needs to be improved
2019-04-09 00:38:58	mpickering	window/progress :p
2019-04-09 00:38:59	@alanz	because if he thinks it sucks, then it does suck.
2019-04-09 00:39:02	@alanz	yes
2019-04-09 00:41:38	jose_zap	do we persist test stuff across runs? I'm trying to run `FunctionalCodeActions/code actions/rename suggestions` and it fails every single time
2019-04-09 00:42:02	jose_zap	it was passing yesterday in my branch and after switching to master it is still broken
2019-04-09 00:43:18	@alanz	jose_zap, it shouldn't make a difference. 
2019-04-09 00:44:05	jose_zap	wanted to make a small change to my branch to put the default back to `True` and lost the whole day trying to get those unrelated tests to pass
2019-04-09 00:44:08	@alanz	but the functional tests actually run the hie exe, sometimes you have to explicitly build it, before running the test
2019-04-09 00:44:55	jose_zap	I've built it several times already
2019-04-09 00:48:13	fendor	mpickering, can you try ctrl+f12? Currently, i do nto have a working branch of head
2019-04-09 00:48:51	mpickering	How is head broken? 
2019-04-09 00:49:19	mpickering	I can't easily try now. But it didn't show up in the command palette nor on the right click
2019-04-09 00:49:35	mpickering	And lorenzo suggested that it should appear on right click
2019-04-09 00:50:40	fendor	mpickering, it is just not installed and i have to build a lot of sources.
2019-04-09 00:50:46	fendor	no worries, i will try it soon
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2019-04-09 17:06:23	mpickering	Why do you have to have cabal on the path anyway for hie to work
2019-04-09 17:06:57	mpickering	seems an unnecessary part of installation
2019-04-09 17:11:15	fendor	mpickering, cabal is a run-time dependency of hie
2019-04-09 17:11:22	mpickering	why?
2019-04-09 17:11:48	mpickering	cabal isn't used at all to build stack/hadrian/bazel projects
2019-04-09 17:13:09	fendor	I dont know, power-fungus identified it as a run-time dependency
2019-04-09 17:15:34	fendor	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/3e38e39d35ec6691c2b4b599d0f9393c552ae5c1/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs#L443
2019-04-09 17:16:23	mpickering	still doesn't explain why this check is performed
2019-04-09 17:16:42	mpickering	and also it should be up to the system package manager to make the runtime dependency available not the install.hs script
2019-04-09 17:16:53	mpickering	which installs it into a random location anyway which is not guaranteed to be on the PATH
2019-04-09 17:17:31	fendor	location is semi random, we require `.local/bin` to be on the path anyways for hie to be found
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2019-04-09 17:18:10	fendor	purpose of install-hs was that nothing else is required. Eventually, it will not be required when hie gets to hackage.
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2019-04-09 17:43:26	wz1000	mpickering: I think cabal-helper interfaces with the cabal executable
2019-04-09 17:43:58	mpickering	ok
2019-04-09 17:46:06	mpickering	This is something I'll have to remove on my branch then
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2019-04-09 19:06:50	dxld	mpickering: cabal-helper needs cabal when it has to install lib:Cabal
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2019-04-09 20:57:23	fendor	mpickering, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1169 is required to actually send TypeDefinitionRequests :)
2019-04-09 20:58:44	mpickering	:)
2019-04-09 21:01:22	mpickering	fendor: I wondered the same thing as you
2019-04-09 21:01:24	mpickering	so I checked the docs
2019-04-09 21:01:40	mpickering	and it doesn't say what the bool does
2019-04-09 21:02:28	fendor	i checked too and didnt find it as well
2019-04-09 21:16:55	mpickering	fendor: Your patch works for me as well, thanks
2019-04-09 21:17:15	fendor	mpickering, np
2019-04-09 21:17:52	mpickering	If I hover over an identifier with a function type
2019-04-09 21:17:59	mpickering	then it goes to the definition of the result type
2019-04-09 21:18:34	mpickering	is that intended?
2019-04-09 21:19:09	mpickering	working nicely though otherwise
2019-04-09 21:20:13	fendor	mpickering, nope, not intended
2019-04-09 21:20:30	fendor	never checked that case
2019-04-09 21:20:47	fendor	but at least it doesnt die, so, i am happy
2019-04-09 21:21:06	mpickering	I was just trying it on ghc's code base fwiw
2019-04-09 21:21:48	fendor	i am only trying on hie code base
2019-04-09 21:22:01	fendor	but there is a bunch of interesting results
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2019-04-10 01:04:57	jose_zap	ok to merge this
2019-04-10 01:04:58	jose_zap	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1164
2019-04-10 01:04:58	jose_zap	?
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2019-04-10 02:41:07	lukelau	jose_zap: I see travis CI is enabled in your fork, did we ever get it turned on for the main repo in github.com/haskell?
2019-04-10 02:41:52	jose_zap	we did
2019-04-10 02:42:01	jose_zap	for example: https://travis-ci.org/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/builds/517965479
2019-04-10 02:42:38	lukelau	For some reason I only ever see that check appear on your PRs
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2019-04-10 02:45:00	jose_zap	that's odd, I also noticed
2019-04-10 02:45:14	jose_zap	I remember setting it up only for the master branch
2019-04-10 02:45:52	jose_zap	anyway, the idea of using travis was to realease macos binaries, but we seem to be far from that goal
2019-04-10 02:47:15	@alanz	lukelau, btw, are you doing a GSOC thing this year?
2019-04-10 02:47:56	lukelau	jose_zap: Blocked on upgrading cabal-helper to get rid of cabal-helper-wrapper, but it went away in dxld’s main version so I’ve been meaning to try it out sometime
2019-04-10 02:48:25	lukelau	alanz: I wish I could, but I’m on industry placement this summer as a part of my degree :(
2019-04-10 02:48:35	lukelau	It’s kept me surprisingly busy so far
2019-04-10 02:48:38	@alanz	ok, sounds like fun. Getting close to the end
2019-04-10 02:49:10	lukelau	Indeed. And I’m starting to think about possible projects for my dissertation
2019-04-10 02:49:12	fendor	i was considering dropping a few courses to attend gsoc... however, missed the deadline
2019-04-10 02:49:33	@alanz	pity, I thought you were ramping up toward it
2019-04-10 02:50:23	fendor	alanz, i can use the work on hie as ects, there is a second course i can take for it
2019-04-10 02:50:36	fendor	then i have 300 hours for hie that i get ects for
2019-04-10 02:50:52	lukelau	How many ects would it be worth?
2019-04-10 02:50:59	fendor	each course is 6 ects
2019-04-10 02:51:03	lukelau	:o
2019-04-10 02:51:09	fendor	and I have to do 2
2019-04-10 02:51:11	@alanz	ok, fair enough. I recall you were doing that, thought you might do GSOC too. 
2019-04-10 02:51:18	@alanz	I think that is what dxld is planning
2019-04-10 02:51:24	@alanz	ects?
2019-04-10 02:51:31	fendor	alanz, maybe next year, just cant do it in addition to tutoring and uni
2019-04-10 02:51:38	lukelau	european credits
2019-04-10 02:51:58	fendor	we have to do 30 ects worth of lectures each semester
2019-04-10 02:52:27	@alanz	and what is a european credit good for?
2019-04-10 02:52:30	lukelau	Is dxld doing his work as a part of their bachelor’s dissertation?
2019-04-10 02:52:50	fendor	alanz, to finish uni
2019-04-10 02:53:20	fendor	i need 300 of it for my masters degree
2019-04-10 02:53:23	fendor	in total
2019-04-10 02:53:26	fendor	60 t ogo
2019-04-10 02:53:28	@alanz	ok
2019-04-10 02:53:29	fendor	*60 to go
2019-04-10 02:53:45	@alanz	lukelau, I think so
2019-04-10 02:53:54	@alanz	(dxld work, that is)
2019-04-10 02:54:24	mpickering	so alanz if Daniel integrates cabal-helper into my branch do you intend to merge it?
2019-04-10 02:54:35	@alanz	I am *really* keen to see the bios/cabal-helper/ghc-mod-core stabilised, completed, decided, done this summer
2019-04-10 02:55:00	@alanz	mpickering, yes
2019-04-10 02:55:04	mpickering	I think Zubin's work is equally important
2019-04-10 02:55:05	@alanz	it makes sense. 
2019-04-10 02:55:12	lukelau	fendor: I’m taking a look at #1167 again, I think we can make getFormattingPlugin polymorphic across MonadIDE
2019-04-10 02:55:53	lukelau	Both R and IdeM/IdeGhcM have access to Config and IdePlugins
2019-04-10 02:55:55	mpickering	lukelau: Have you look at the cabal-helper api at all?
2019-04-10 02:56:07	lukelau	mpickering: A bit, yes
2019-04-10 02:56:15	fendor	lukelau, ok!
2019-04-10 02:56:26	mpickering	so can you comment how feasible it is to integrate into my branch in one afternoon?
2019-04-10 02:56:31	lukelau	I fixed something in it a couple of months ago
2019-04-10 02:56:42	lukelau	But it was on the upstream repo, not alanz’s
2019-04-10 02:57:13	lukelau	I can’t comment, I’m not familiar with your branch other than having built and run it
2019-04-10 02:57:22	mpickering	ok
2019-04-10 02:57:26	fendor	it can be polymorphic over monadide, but R does not implement monadide, right?
2019-04-10 02:57:39	mpickering	Can it report the GHC options needed to build each component?
2019-04-10 02:58:08	lukelau	fendor: yeah, I’m thinking if its possible to make R an instance of it
2019-04-10 02:58:20	lukelau	Or whether that would be a good idea even
2019-04-10 02:58:30	fendor	i think a pure function is alright
2019-04-10 02:59:12	jose_zap	mpickering as a newcomer to your branch, may I bother you asking what interesting changes you are introducing there?
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2019-04-10 03:00:15	mpickering	jose_zap: It removes the direct dependency on ghc-mod so you can use HIE with other build systems such as hadrian, rules_haskell etc
2019-04-10 03:00:41	mpickering	and makes it the environment configuration extensible
2019-04-10 03:01:00	mpickering	so if you have your own build system you can provide a config file which will make HIE work for your project
2019-04-10 03:01:03	lukelau	fendor: Yeah it’s not bad or anything, I just like to avoid adding things into HieExtras.hs if they can be generalized into hie-plugin-api
2019-04-10 03:01:14	jose_zap	that's nice!
2019-04-10 03:01:35	jose_zap	mpickering is your plan to use hie for developing ghc itself?
2019-04-10 03:01:50	fenedor	lukelau, alright.
2019-04-10 03:01:56	mpickering	vaguely, I at least want it to be possible :P
2019-04-10 03:02:04	mpickering	at the moment it isn't with my branch as HIE uses way too much memory
2019-04-10 03:02:05	lukelau	I think we can merge your PR first though
2019-04-10 03:02:40	mpickering	the general idea is that you query the build tool to get the list of GHC options it would use to start the repl target
2019-04-10 03:02:47	mpickering	and then use those to set up the GHC API session
2019-04-10 03:02:48	lukelau	I’m still trying to try it out though, installing LLVM libraries on my machine broke a lot of packages on stack
2019-04-10 03:02:55	jose_zap	mpickering do you have a good idea why it uses that much memory?
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2019-04-10 03:03:07	mpickering	the type map is the first obvious problem
2019-04-10 03:03:11	lukelau	So I can’t get hie to build
2019-04-10 03:03:36	mpickering	zubin is going to hopefully nail this for his GSoC project 
2019-04-10 03:03:53	mpickering	by using HIE files rather than keeping everything in memory
2019-04-10 03:03:56	jose_zap	looking forward to that
2019-04-10 03:04:32	jose_zap	mpickering If there is anything I can help with in that front please let me know, memory usage is one of my main problems with hie so far
2019-04-10 03:05:06	lukelau	fenedor: giving up, nuking ~/.stack. 
2019-04-10 03:05:07	mpickering	tweag are quite interested in this project so people can use HIE with their rules_haskell bazel stuff
2019-04-10 03:05:42	mpickering	so HIE might become the first Haskell tool to work with every build system haha
2019-04-10 03:06:00	mpickering	jose_zap: thanks, once this type issue is fixed I will try some more profiling
2019-04-10 03:06:20	fenedor	lukelau, that is the right approach when using stack :D 
2019-04-10 03:06:36	mpickering	I'm most interested in getting the core features really solid,  like hover, go to definition, diagnostics etc
2019-04-10 03:08:19	jose_zap	same, too bad they so predictably break when opening different packages
2019-04-10 03:08:59	jose_zap	which is annoying considering how common it is in haskell to develop multiple packages at once
2019-04-10 03:22:39	mpickering	hopefully this summer we can make this solid
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2019-04-10 03:46:48	lukelau	hmm. first time I’ve ever seen ~/.ghc/x86_64-darwin-8.6.4/environments/default cause a `stack install` to fail
2019-04-10 04:00:50	mpickering	Interesting 
2019-04-10 04:00:56	mpickering	What is the failure mode
2019-04-10 04:02:01	lukelau	It was failing since some cached configure command in ~/.cabal/store was being referenced by the environment when building something with a custom setup.hs
2019-04-10 04:02:27	lukelau	And that cached configure command was using flags that linked to a library that no longer existed on my system
2019-04-10 04:03:00	lukelau	Which is pretty terrifying given that I invoked stack, not cabal
2019-04-10 04:04:55	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/bubba/04c2d8ef57150e03d6067baab8b1d8a7
2019-04-10 04:05:08	lukelau	^ short horror story
2019-04-10 04:06:14	lukelau	fenedor: Finally trying out goto type definitions, great work!
2019-04-10 04:07:58	fenedor	well, in the end it was pretty easy
2019-04-10 04:08:59	lukelau	It doesn’t work for out-of-module types yet does it?
2019-04-10 04:09:12	fenedor	no
2019-04-10 04:09:22	fenedor	:(
2019-04-10 04:09:29	lukelau	I don’t think regular goto definitions really work for that either
2019-04-10 04:09:44	fenedor	no, they dont
2019-04-10 04:10:11	fenedor	however, it took me such a long time to implement properly ^^
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2019-04-10 10:16:48	wz1000	mpickering: what are tweag interested in? I was thinking of applying to their internship program, but decided not to because of gsoc.
2019-04-10 10:17:57	wz1000	If they can fund this project, we can have an extra slot in the gsoc instead.
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2019-04-10 12:31:31	mpickering	wz1000 the multi session stuff I think 
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2019-04-11 02:00:56	mpickering	I have just learnt that GHC API programs should be dynamically linked for decent performance
2019-04-11 02:01:01	mpickering	going to try that tomorrow
2019-04-11 02:01:19	@alanz	interesting
2019-04-11 02:03:44	mpickering	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1126/commits/c356c389c1b9a017470667892587b380c8ebaa85
2019-04-11 02:03:48	mpickering	that's the only change if you want to try it
2019-04-11 02:03:50	mpickering	I'll test it tomorrow
2019-04-11 02:04:44	@alanz	ok
2019-04-11 02:04:57	@alanz	I would have expected dynamic to be the default, tbh
2019-04-11 02:04:58	jose_zap	hmm, that's a simple fix!
2019-04-11 02:06:27	mpickering	it makes a big difference when loading dependencies apparently
2019-04-11 02:09:23	jose_zap	do you know the reason behind that?
2019-04-11 02:16:45	mpickering	jose_zap: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/issues/15524#note_193025
2019-04-11 02:17:27	mpickering	I think I can make a simple test case 
2019-04-11 02:25:09	jose_zap	quite interesting
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2019-04-11 09:57:47	teto	I managed to have some hover requests working, I had hoped it would work on Map.insert for instance but hie won'
2019-04-11 09:57:51	teto	t return anything 
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2019-04-11 14:42:44	mpickering	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1126/commits/c356c389c1b9a017470667892587b380c8ebaa85 makes a massive difference
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2019-04-11 14:54:22	@alanz	interesting
2019-04-11 14:54:38	@alanz	any idea why?
2019-04-11 14:54:41	@alanz	mpickering, ^^
2019-04-11 14:55:07	mpickering	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/issues/15524
2019-04-11 14:55:13	mpickering	bug since ghc 8.2
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2019-04-11 15:16:56	@alanz	wow
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2019-04-11 16:16:35	fendor	anyone wants to review #1167?
2019-04-11 16:17:36	fendor	i dont think i can currently fix the open issue in that pr
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2019-04-11 16:17:58	mpickering	the diff is not very clean
2019-04-11 16:20:30	fendor	it actually introduces a lot of changes, I think the only diff i forgot to revert is regarding alignment of the brittany plugin descriptor
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2019-04-11 18:02:54	fendor	does hie work on cabal code base?
2019-04-11 18:08:31	mpickering	fendor: On my branch it does :)
2019-04-11 18:09:05	fendor	mpickering, naturally, will check it out now
2019-04-11 18:09:25	fendor	rather unbearable to explore cabal code base without type information
2019-04-11 18:09:38	fendor	hie changed the way i can explore code
2019-04-11 18:09:41	mpickering	let me push my latest branch
2019-04-11 18:10:34	mpickering	you will probably need to configure it to select the right component but other than that should work fine
2019-04-11 18:10:36	mpickering	pushing now..
2019-04-11 18:11:10	mpickering	you can build it with cabal new-build then set the path to the executable in the dist-newstyle folder
2019-04-11 18:11:19	mpickering	you can find the path by `cabal new-exec -- which hie`
2019-04-11 18:12:34	fendor	latest branch is master or hie-bios?
2019-04-11 18:12:42	mpickering	mpickering/hie-bios
2019-04-11 18:12:50	mpickering	You need a config file like this in the root of the cabal project https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/0G5gI8dB/hie.dhall
2019-04-11 18:13:34	mpickering	assuming you are working on the Cabal lib not cabal-install
2019-04-11 18:13:51	fendor	mpickering, and if i work in cabal-install, i suppose exe:cabal?
2019-04-11 18:13:57	mpickering	yes
2019-04-11 18:14:06	mpickering	Whatever you would pass to v2-repl to select the component
2019-04-11 18:14:17	mpickering	multi-component support is not very good at the moment
2019-04-11 18:15:17	fendor	yes, gsoc should change that, right?
2019-04-11 18:15:25	mpickering	that's the idea
2019-04-11 18:16:37	fendor	looking forward to that
2019-04-11 18:24:28	mpickering	if my branch doesn't work let me know so I can fix it
2019-04-11 18:26:51	fendor	mpickering, i just had a fuck up with the submodules
2019-04-11 18:26:56	fendor	but deinit and update --init fixed it
2019-04-11 18:39:22	fendor	can i tell the dhall file which ghc version to use?
2019-04-11 18:40:35	fendor	works great tho!
2019-04-11 18:40:40	fendor	thanks!
2019-04-11 18:41:01	mpickering	Not yet, you have to build hie with the right version 
2019-04-11 18:41:22	mpickering	let me know when you run into any problems
2019-04-11 18:41:26	fendor	mpickering, had to delete the stack.yaml, since it annoys me
2019-04-11 18:42:02	fendor	performance is pretty bad but i suppose it is due the large project
2019-04-11 18:42:47	mpickering	you mean on hover or on reload?
2019-04-11 18:42:55	mpickering	reload performance should be fine
2019-04-11 18:43:01	mpickering	but hover performance is a known problem
2019-04-11 18:43:05	mpickering	perhaps this will inspire you to fix it
2019-04-11 18:43:08	mpickering	;)
2019-04-11 18:43:59	fendor	didnt you say this is due to typemap and should be resolved by using hie files?
2019-04-11 18:44:05	fendor	i mean the hover performance 
2019-04-11 18:44:16	mpickering	yes I think the typemap
2019-04-11 18:44:58	mpickering	Needs to be fixed in a similar way to this : https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/214
2019-04-11 18:46:12	mpickering	perhaps one can easily copy that patch to the relevant part of ghc-mod
2019-04-11 18:47:16	fendor	i think that is over my head so far :D
2019-04-11 18:48:26	fendor	8 GiB of RAM :D 
2019-04-11 18:48:59	fendor	funny, after 1 minute of idle time, hie died
2019-04-11 18:49:12	fendor	https://hastebin.com/akuyigupey.coffeescript
2019-04-11 18:55:21	mpickering	how did you trigger that error?
2019-04-11 18:55:39	mpickering	so the module loads and then you try and hover and it uses loads of memory
2019-04-11 18:55:43	mpickering	then the VFS fails, excellent
2019-04-11 18:55:46	mpickering	that might be a race condition
2019-04-11 18:56:08	fendor	idle
2019-04-11 18:56:16	fendor	great :)
2019-04-11 18:56:43	mpickering	did you just open one file?
2019-04-11 18:56:55	fendor	yes
2019-04-11 18:58:06	fendor	file was Cabal/Distribution/Simple.hs
2019-04-11 18:58:27	fendor	Cabal/Distribution/Simple/Build.hs survives
2019-04-11 18:59:56	mpickering	tbh I think you are going to have problems with memory because of the typemap unless you have 32gb of RAM or something
2019-04-11 19:00:41	fendor	16Gb suffices so far
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2019-04-11 19:02:00	mpickering	I just pushed a change which gives a more descriptive error on the VFS failure
2019-04-11 19:02:40	fendor	nice! 
2019-04-11 19:03:43	mpickering	not a very scientific change but might help debugging at least
2019-04-11 19:04:08	fendor	haha^^
2019-04-11 19:05:14	fendor	it is weird, for some reason, i can not seem to checkout the brnach hie-bios directly
2019-04-11 19:05:23	fendor	no error message, git just doesnt do it
2019-04-11 19:05:49	fendor	now it works
2019-04-11 19:05:51	fendor	no clue
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2019-04-12 00:18:24	lukelau	alanz: Can I do a version bump on haskell-lsp from 0.8.1.0 -> 0.8.2.0?
2019-04-12 00:27:22	@alanz	yes
2019-04-12 00:27:35	@alanz	lukelau, ^
2019-04-12 00:33:28	lukelau	alanz: thanks, pushed. can you do a hackage release?
2019-04-12 00:33:45	@alanz	yes
2019-04-12 00:33:54	lukelau	The aim is to get it in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1167
2019-04-12 00:34:27	@alanz	does it include the gototypedef config setting thing?
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2019-04-12 00:34:52	lukelau	No, but I checked earlier and it looks like gototypdefinition already had a handler
2019-04-12 00:35:04	lukelau	But it was different from how gotodefinition handled it
2019-04-12 00:36:00	@alanz	its not about the handler, its about setting up the config flag to the client when the handler is set.
2019-04-12 00:36:20	@alanz	Let me take a look, and possible sort that out, before making the release. Will happen tonight still though
2019-04-12 00:36:30	lukelau	No rush
2019-04-12 00:37:06	lukelau	Sorry I didn’t mean handler, but Core.hs:618
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2019-04-12 00:40:57	@alanz	lukelau, that looks like it should do the trick, but obviously not.
2019-04-12 00:41:06	@alanz	Will investigate
2019-04-12 01:19:02	@alanz	lukelau, I am going to make it that the typedefinitionprovider capability gets set to static true if there is a handler, but can be overriden by the options thing if a server wants to do a dynamic registration
2019-04-12 01:19:52	lukelau	alanz: do you know what was happening originally?
2019-04-12 01:23:12	@alanz	yes, we did not set that capability at all.
2019-04-12 01:23:28	@alanz	but it can be set as either a static bool, or a dynamic one set per file. 
2019-04-12 01:23:57	@alanz	so we default to assume the simple case, if there is a handler, and can override for the more complex case, if needed by a server
2019-04-12 01:24:12	lukelau	Ok, that makes sense
2019-04-12 01:24:15	@alanz	will be making a PR shortly so you can see it
2019-04-12 01:31:02	@alanz	lukelau, fendor, see https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/147
2019-04-12 01:31:26	@alanz	which makes https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/commit/c3c70af2bfecd40b80a91dee0a47f5a8930d5217 unneccesary
2019-04-12 01:32:06	@alanz	and simplifies life for all future LSP server devs, who decide to provide a typedefinition handler
2019-04-12 01:39:20	lukelau	agreed
2019-04-12 01:39:25	lukelau	now we can just git revert that commit
2019-04-12 01:39:34	lukelau	after upgrading haskell-lsp
2019-04-12 01:39:54	@alanz	yes, so I will merge that, and make a release
2019-04-12 01:46:59	@alanz	lukelau, we are just updating haskell-lsp, not haskell-lsp-types. Agree?
2019-04-12 01:47:06	lukelau	Both
2019-04-12 01:47:13	@alanz	ok
2019-04-12 01:47:16	lukelau	Those helper functions are in the types package
2019-04-12 01:47:29	lukelau	I don’t really have an opinion on where they are though
2019-04-12 01:48:15	@alanz	ok, no problem. About to start uploading to hackage, I moved the tag on to the new release commit
2019-04-12 01:48:45	lukelau	thanks!
2019-04-12 01:49:05	@alanz	done
2019-04-12 01:49:17	@alanz	I see you made a draft for the release on github, thanks
2019-04-12 01:49:49	lukelau	I thought I had created the tag itself but apparently not
2019-04-12 01:50:03	@alanz	I am going to add you as a maintainer on hackage, what is your username on hackage?
2019-04-12 01:50:09	lukelau	luke_ I believe
2019-04-12 01:50:11	@alanz	I deleted the old tag, and made a new one
2019-04-12 01:50:12	lukelau	let me double check
2019-04-12 01:50:44	lukelau	yes luke_
2019-04-12 01:51:28	@alanz	just checked. I wonder if you can change it to LukeLau, to match the style of the rest. Anyway, will add you as a maintainer
2019-04-12 01:52:17	lukelau	Just added you for lsp-test as well
2019-04-12 01:52:46	lukelau	Doesn’t look like there’s a option for it in the user management section
2019-04-12 01:52:46	@alanz	thanks. So we have you, me and wz1000 as package maintainers for haskell-lsp(-types) on hackage
2019-04-12 01:52:57	lukelau	Perhaps the admins can change it
2019-04-12 01:53:16	@alanz	yes, ask on #hackage, if it is possible
2019-04-12 01:53:17	lukelau	Bus factor of three now :)
2019-04-12 01:53:25	@alanz	yes, feel much better
2019-04-12 01:54:41	@alanz	And I will not feel completely happy until I see green on https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/#/package/haskell-lsp and https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/#/package/haskell-lsp-types
2019-04-12 01:55:09	@alanz	haskell-lsp-types looks good
2019-04-12 01:55:18	lukelau	Yup! And now to do the ritual of upgrading all those stack.yaml extra-deps
2019-04-12 01:55:30	lukelau	That reminds me I need to fix the lsp-test matrix
2019-04-12 01:56:06	@alanz	8.0.2
2019-04-12 01:56:21	@alanz	https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/#/package/lsp-test  Looks horrible
2019-04-12 01:57:00	lukelau	I hope those earlier version failures aren’t permanent 😬
2019-04-12 01:57:57	@alanz	I think you can tweak the constraints with a revision, to turn them into OK(no-ip) instead of FAIL
2019-04-12 01:58:16	@alanz	set a minimal limit on base, or some such
2019-04-12 01:58:19	lukelau	Is it just tweaking base?
2019-04-12 01:58:20	lukelau	Ok
2019-04-12 01:58:33	lukelau	For some reason https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/#/package/haskell-lsp only shows the columns for 7.10 and below
2019-04-12 01:58:48	@alanz	it hasn't finished building the rest yet
2019-04-12 01:58:54	@alanz	it fills out as the builds complete
2019-04-12 01:59:24	lukelau	Right
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2019-04-12 02:00:06	@alanz	I really like matrix. Gives great feedback, instantly (just about)
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2019-04-12 02:00:47	@alanz	getting some green on 8.6.3
2019-04-12 02:01:26	lukelau	Free CI basically
2019-04-12 02:01:38	lukelau	I just wish it would run it on the preview packages first though
2019-04-12 02:02:34	@alanz	I think that is coming, maybe even with this GSOC
2019-04-12 02:02:56	@alanz	as in, that is one of the main drivers for the concept of a preview package
2019-04-12 02:03:45	@alanz	its not just CI, it checks the consistency of the hackage database, in terms of whether there is a build plan
2019-04-12 02:04:15	lukelau	Similar to stackage?
2019-04-12 02:04:22	@alanz	so it is like running a stackage nightly build 
2019-04-12 02:04:24	@alanz	yes
2019-04-12 02:04:41	@alanz	but not against a curated package set.
2019-04-12 02:04:43	lukelau	Is the point of that to see if all packages build together?
2019-04-12 02:04:48	@alanz	yes
2019-04-12 02:05:09	lukelau	How does that work though without the curation? Does it just take the most recent version of each package?
2019-04-12 02:05:36	@alanz	it takes the version the solver spits out, which biases to the most recent, I think
2019-04-12 02:05:49	@alanz	but that is what the version bounds are for, ultiimately
2019-04-12 02:06:22	@alanz	which ends up allowing you to mix and match things, and have a good chance of them actually working
2019-04-12 02:09:19	lukelau	Last summer when I was applying for GSOC I came across a project idea on the swift lang org for mechanically identifying the correct semver version bump, based on how the public API of the library changed
2019-04-12 02:09:49	lukelau	And now I’ve always had this idea for a package manager/ecosystem where the versioning is always automatic, i.e. users can’t specify it themselves
2019-04-12 02:10:34	@alanz	that is an idea that has been kicking around in the haskell world too, for a while
2019-04-12 02:11:20	@alanz	and tied to that a possible tool, based on say apply-refact for hlint, that can actually update your code based on a change to an API
2019-04-12 02:11:30	@alanz	for some restricted set of possible changes
2019-04-12 02:13:27	@alanz	there is also an interesting approach taken in the unison language, where the equivalent of the nix store is a write-only database of normalised ASTs/code, so when you change something it just puts the new version in
2019-04-12 02:13:55	@alanz	so you can have the old and the new coexist, as you work a refactoring through
2019-04-12 02:14:05	lukelau	Would the set of changes be specified by the developer or be worked out by the types?
2019-04-12 02:14:45	@alanz	See http://unisonweb.org/2019-03-29/updates.html#post-start
2019-04-12 02:14:47	lukelau	I need to give unison a look, it seems interesting based on what you’ve retweeted about it
2019-04-12 02:15:01	@alanz	I find it very exciting, as an approach
2019-04-12 02:15:21	@alanz	and a part of me is wondering if we can do some of that write only normalised stuff for GHC
2019-04-12 02:18:42	lukelau	Its definitely the first language I’ve seen to have such mechanical editing
2019-04-12 02:19:07	lukelau	So source files aren’t stored directly on the filesystem then?
2019-04-12 02:19:54	lukelau	That refactoring example looks crazy powerful though
2019-04-12 02:27:17	jose_zap	lukelau that version manager idea is how the elm language manages dependencies
2019-04-12 02:27:41	jose_zap	the packager itself determines the version bump depending on the api changes
2019-04-12 02:28:16	lukelau	jose_zap: I didn’t know that!
2019-04-12 02:28:24	lukelau	A real slap in the face to npm
2019-04-12 02:28:31	jose_zap	 hehe yes
2019-04-12 02:28:54	jose_zap	it is quite nice not having to think about versions, you just publish the changes and the rest is automatic
2019-04-12 02:29:26	jose_zap	you still have the freedom to tag a major version, if you know you changed the behavior of exported functions
2019-04-12 02:30:43	lukelau	Is it possible to depend on packages not in the main elm package repo?
2019-04-12 02:32:02	jose_zap	it used to be possible, not it is not
2019-04-12 02:32:06	jose_zap	now*
2019-04-12 02:42:00	lukelau	I guess a small price to pay to avoid npm-hell
2019-04-12 02:42:37	lukelau	alanz: I wish there GitHub had an automatic merge like GitLab, where it merges as soon as CI passes
2019-04-12 02:43:08	@alanz	well, maybe we should move to a gitlab option. But I think that is from marge, the bot?
2019-04-12 02:44:18	lukelau	Is this not built in? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/39366029/gitlab-auto-merge-when-build-succeeds-not-working
2019-04-12 02:44:32	lukelau	I need to confess I’ve never actually tried it, just saw it there when googling
2019-04-12 02:46:17	lukelau	I’ve used GitLab for a small college project, but it seemed really powerful. The built-in CI was top-notch too
2019-04-12 02:46:40	lukelau	I guess the main advantage to github at the moment is the discoverability
2019-04-12 02:49:00	lukelau	https://github.com/marketplace/mergify looks interesting?
2019-04-12 02:52:57	@alanz	I agree on the discoverability. Things are starting to get fragmented, which is good, in a way, but the search tools need to start catching up
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2019-04-12 17:40:06	fendor	Any opinions, are the Formatter config the pluginName or pluginId?
2019-04-12 17:40:19	fendor	since it is not documented, I suppose we can decide that.
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2019-04-12 18:04:32	fendor	But i dont know the real intenton of plugin id and name. Are both meant to be unique? Both seem to be chosen at compile time. I think I remmeber an issue or pr where one of the two fields gets removed
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2019-04-12 18:08:44	@alanz	fendor, the plugin id is intended to be set in the main module, when putting all the plugins together, and must just be unique in that setting
2019-04-12 18:09:04	@alanz	it is done this way so you can combine plugins from different places in future, and not end up with a name clash
2019-04-12 18:09:47	fendor	so, the pluginId is meant to be globally unique, but the pluginName may have name clashes?
2019-04-12 18:15:30	fendor	alanz, so, the configured formatting plugin should probably be identified by its pluginId?
2019-04-12 18:16:20	@alanz	yes, but it only really matters in MainHie.js
2019-04-12 18:16:21	@alanz	hs
2019-04-12 18:16:48	@alanz	it gets set there. But if you are passing it as a selector for the plugin, then that is what you should use
2019-04-12 18:18:02	fendor	ok, will do that in subsequent pr for the formatter plugins
2019-04-12 18:18:43	fendor	after #1167 has been merged
2019-04-12 18:18:48	fendor	to avoid more rebasing
2019-04-12 18:22:04	@alanz	I hate rebasing, tbh
2019-04-12 18:22:16	@alanz	I much prefer straight merges
2019-04-12 18:23:26	fendor	really? why dont you like them? would you prefer if I stop rebasing?
2019-04-12 18:24:40	@alanz	I find them a pain to do myself, and you lose track of what happened. So if I have a checked out copy of your branch, it suddenly disappears in the repo
2019-04-12 18:25:02	@alanz	and the dates do not change, so it is impossible to see when the work actually happened
2019-04-12 18:25:44	@alanz	my personal peeves with them
2019-04-12 18:27:16	fendor	I see. Ok, I can stop with the rebasing
2019-04-12 18:31:29	@alanz	if you prefer, carry on. Its just not something I am much into
2019-04-12 18:32:32	fendor	another question, when executing a code action, how could we tell it to use the right amount of indentation? E.g. in HsImport.hs, we format the code, but we do not know the tabsize configured in the editor
2019-04-12 18:32:46	fendor	do you think we can somehow save the config and use it? or obtain it somehow?
2019-04-12 18:32:57	fendor	it seems like this information is normally not sent with a code action
2019-04-12 18:34:39	fendor	we could save it in the config?
2019-04-12 18:34:49	fendor	would that make sense to you?
2019-04-12 18:34:57	fendor	or anyone
2019-04-12 19:18:05	@alanz	I think configuring the importer is a separate concern, for your purposes you should assume it is configured appropriately for the file
2019-04-12 19:24:05	fendor	we want to configure the formatter that is invoked by the importer. For the pr, i would not bother, but later this should definitely be fixed
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2019-04-12 23:31:23	lukelau	fendor: PluginName is a vanity string as far as I’m aware
2019-04-12 23:31:29	lukelau	Used for the old jsontransport
2019-04-12 23:31:39	lukelau	I tried removing it in the PR to remove JSONStdio
2019-04-12 23:32:13	lukelau	I agree with your earlier comment though and we should newtype pluginid
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2019-04-13 15:20:24	mpickering	fendor: I think it would be quite easy to improve the feedback as other language servers already do it better
2019-04-13 15:21:02	mpickering	https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues/70
2019-04-13 15:21:35	mpickering	It's my understandin clients and servers already implement this even though it's not in the specification
2019-04-13 15:31:34	mpickering	https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode-languageserver-node/pull/261
2019-04-13 15:31:37	mpickering	merged 22 hrs ago
2019-04-13 15:37:01	fendor	maybe i can do that in the next days. That looks promising
2019-04-13 15:40:27	mpickering	I think the main challenge is working out clearly what needs to be implemented where
2019-04-13 15:40:36	mpickering	as there are quite a few long threads with different resolutions
2019-04-13 16:10:42	fendor	maybe there are examples somewhere. 
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2019-04-13 20:40:53	fendor	any objections to merge #1167? Except the really dirty commit history?
2019-04-13 21:05:20	mpickering	That is a reason to object
2019-04-13 21:05:27	mpickering	So I object without looking at the patch :)
2019-04-13 21:06:52	mpickering	You need to rebase and squash all the commits into one
2019-04-13 21:07:03	mpickering	I can help you if you don't know how to do that
2019-04-13 21:15:26	fendor	mpickering, it is kind of rebased and i think github can squash it, too
2019-04-13 21:15:54	mpickering	I would prefer if you did it locally should only take a few minutes 
2019-04-13 21:17:49	fendor	i struggle with it... since there are other merge commits in it, the history looks really weird.
2019-04-13 21:21:45	mpickering	git rebase -i origin/master
2019-04-13 21:21:53	mpickering	then set the first commit to edit
2019-04-13 21:21:59	mpickering	and the rest to squash or fixup
2019-04-13 21:22:09	mpickering	or keep if you want more than one commit
2019-04-13 21:22:38	fendor	ok, ill try
2019-04-13 21:22:58	mpickering	I can do it for you if you like?
2019-04-13 21:23:07	mpickering	best if you learn though :P
2019-04-13 21:23:54	fendor	mpickering, normally i did it a bunch of times, but did a lot of nonsense. Have to fix my branch mess
2019-04-13 21:28:12	fendor	ok, cleared this mess
2019-04-13 21:28:15	fendor	now it should be easy
2019-04-13 21:40:21	mpickering	fendor: Have you tested this patch in vscode for example?
2019-04-13 21:40:30	mpickering	It looks like it has a high potential to be subtly wrong
2019-04-13 21:40:34	fendor	yes, i have
2019-04-13 21:40:37	fendor	why?
2019-04-13 21:40:44	fendor	oh, yeah, 
2019-04-13 21:40:49	fendor	i rebased and will try it again
2019-04-13 21:41:37	mpickering	because you changed where the file gets read
2019-04-13 21:41:54	mpickering	before it was obvious you would read the VFS immediately before formatting
2019-04-13 21:42:15	mpickering	now you still pass in a uri but don't read the file from it
2019-04-13 21:43:12	fendor	right, i will review it again that was one of the changes of bubba. 
2019-04-13 21:43:19	fendor	this should be at least documented
2019-04-13 21:43:22	fendor	well, it is
2019-04-13 21:43:25	fendor	but how it is used
2019-04-13 21:44:25	mpickering	seems the `reformat` function takes it as an argument
2019-04-13 21:45:21	mpickering	so I suppose floskell uses it for something
2019-04-13 21:45:27	mpickering	brittany only uses it to find the config file
2019-04-13 21:46:51	mpickering	I left one comment but can't say about overall correctness sorry. There's quite a lot going on. I would rebase it and leave it to Luke to merge if he is happy
2019-04-13 21:49:34	fendor	ok. yeah, I am rebasing it by squashing most of the commits, but I am not sure if this is the right approach
2019-04-13 21:49:59	fendor	floskell also only needs it to find the configuration
2019-04-13 21:50:00	fendor	imop
2019-04-13 21:50:03	fendor	*imo
2019-04-13 21:52:14	mpickering	ok that's fine then
2019-04-13 21:52:25	mpickering	just do the rebase and luke will do the merge and then he's responsible if it's broken ;)
2019-04-13 21:52:43	mpickering	I'm just trying to understand the window/progress thing again now if you wanted to chat about that
2019-04-13 21:57:48	fendor	mpickering, didnt have time to look at it yet, sorry. Trying to figure out why cabal always reconfigures itself to think that the lib has been compiled with ghc-8.6 although i do not have that ghc in my path.
2019-04-13 21:58:09	mpickering	do you have an environment file?
2019-04-13 21:58:12	mpickering	.ghc-environmnet
2019-04-13 22:00:32	fendor	dont think so
2019-04-13 22:00:40	fendor	well, actually yes
2019-04-13 22:00:43	fendor	but only for 8.4.4
2019-04-13 22:01:17	mpickering	what is the error? I'm not sure what you mean by it reconfigures itself
2019-04-13 22:01:23	mpickering	cabal new-build should use whatever ghc you have on your path
2019-04-13 22:02:47	fendor	I am workign on the new-show-build-info command, since it has not been merged yet. hvr asked me to implement a flag to write the output to a file.
2019-04-13 22:04:03	fendor	now, when I use: `cabal  new-run exe:cabal -- new-show-build-info Cabal/` it works fine. If I change something and execute that command again, the following is shown: https://gist.github.com/fendor/23062a6b10211cf95d95f5ccdd4ea731
2019-04-13 22:08:54	fendor	ugh, i messed the hsimport pr horribly up...
2019-04-13 22:14:29	fendor	ok, I think what I want to do, checkout the PR of bubba and act replace it with the exisiting PR? is that possible?
2019-04-13 22:15:08	fendor	or should checkout bubba's pr and open a new PR?
2019-04-13 22:16:51	mpickering	link me to his pr
2019-04-13 22:17:05	mpickering	The problem is that `new-run` and `new-show-build-info` are using the same dist dir
2019-04-13 22:17:09	mpickering	(I imagine)
2019-04-13 22:17:21	mpickering	so set a different `--distdir` for one of the invocations so they don't collide
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2019-04-13 22:19:16	fendor	oh, i thought that was required? was is even the dist dir?
2019-04-13 22:19:37	fendor	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/tree/pr/fendor/1167
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2019-04-13 22:22:03	mpickering	It's dist-newstyle by default
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2019-04-13 22:23:03	mpickering	ergh he has a merge commit in there as well
2019-04-13 22:23:23	fendor	yeah, that makes it harder.
2019-04-13 22:23:30	mpickering	tbh at this stage I would just squash them all into one commit and call it a day
2019-04-13 22:23:39	fendor	tried that, failed miserably
2019-04-13 22:23:46	mpickering	want me to try then :) ?
2019-04-13 22:23:55	fendor	sure :/ 
2019-04-13 22:24:09	fendor	i have never rebased something with merge commits. they look quite different
2019-04-13 22:24:48	fendor	why cant new-show-build-info not be in dist-newstyle? 
2019-04-13 22:26:08	mpickering	because it's the dist-newstyle from cabal 2.4
2019-04-13 22:26:15	mpickering	and you are running cabal 3.0
2019-04-13 22:26:23	fendor	oh
2019-04-13 22:26:30	fendor	well, that makes actually
2019-04-13 22:26:32	fendor	sense
2019-04-13 22:26:55	fendor	so, if i do, cabal new-install exe:cabal, and use that exe, it should work?
2019-04-13 22:27:42	mpickering	yes but don't do that
2019-04-13 22:27:46	mpickering	just set the distdir like I said
2019-04-13 22:28:07	mpickering	`--distdir` I thin
2019-04-13 22:29:07	fendor	ok, thanks!
2019-04-13 22:29:42	fendor	that improves the compile-run-eval loop
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2019-04-13 22:29:58	mpickering	(if it works)
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2019-04-13 22:31:33	fendor	starting from a clean build, to be sure :)
2019-04-13 22:31:41	fendor	but it looks good
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2019-04-13 22:42:46	fendor	it fixed the problem!
2019-04-13 23:05:22	mpickering	this rebase is actually very annoying you are right
2019-04-13 23:14:37	fendor	sorry :/ it was my mistake, I accidentally rebased my changes on top of bubba's, I think it wouldnt have happened if I had done it right
2019-04-13 23:14:53	mpickering	I think the problem is all the merge commits
2019-04-13 23:17:46	mpickering	ok I managed to squash all the commits together and rebase onto master
2019-04-13 23:18:13	mpickering	looks like there are some accidental changes which crept in because of this
2019-04-13 23:18:47	fendor	yeah happened for me, too
2019-04-13 23:19:00	fendor	maybe we should just abandon everything and start from new :D 
2019-04-13 23:19:23	mpickering	I think I have nearly sorted it now
2019-04-13 23:20:10	fendor	incredible
2019-04-13 23:23:21	mpickering	fendor: https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/commit/19cd8fafd10364b5d9cbb607bf0d31e222482594
2019-04-13 23:23:32	mpickering	You need to take that branch and then use `git commit --amend` to write a commit message
2019-04-13 23:26:01	fendor	and how can I use this branch for the PR?
2019-04-13 23:28:28	fendor	i checkout the branch and validate everything works
2019-04-13 23:29:14	mpickering	force push it to your existing branch
2019-04-13 23:29:21	mpickering	add my repo as a remote
2019-04-13 23:29:25	mpickering	go to your branch
2019-04-13 23:29:45	mpickering	git reset --hard mpickering/fendor-new
2019-04-13 23:30:04	mpickering	then git commit --amend
2019-04-13 23:30:07	mpickering	then force push to your branch
2019-04-13 23:30:55	fendor	ok, thanks
2019-04-13 23:32:23	fendor	i was not able to figure all this out on my own, thank you a lot! 
2019-04-13 23:34:00	mpickering	in the end what I did was use `git merge --squash`
2019-04-13 23:35:25	fendor	ok, will remind that to be useful!
2019-04-13 23:35:33	fendor	will remind that this is useful
2019-04-13 23:46:38	fendor	this is great, now I am adding documentation 
2019-04-14 00:04:37	fendor	mpickering, a last review of the pr would be nice! only if you have time, oc. 
2019-04-14 00:05:06	mpickering	link me
2019-04-14 00:05:37	fendor	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1167
2019-04-14 00:06:05	fendor	now I added documentation about the purpose of the Uri
2019-04-14 00:29:28	mpickering	looks fine to me but I don't feel qualified to approve
2019-04-14 00:52:10	fendor	that's fine.
2019-04-14 00:52:17	fendor	someone will eventually approve
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2019-04-14 17:13:19	sgronblo	trying out hie again after a while. seems to work quite nicely out of the box. btw it seemed i didnt have to set any hie-wrapper settings even though i did the build-all command.
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2019-04-14 18:30:05	@alanz	mpickering, I see backpack came in for GHC 8.2.1. So hie can fully make use of it. Is this something we should think about wrt hie-bios?
2019-04-14 18:31:01	@alanz	And I am making a version of hie-plugin-api exposing the bits of ghc-mod-core that HaRe is currently using
2019-04-14 18:32:11	@alanz	as a driver of requirements. But I will toss its use of GhcModT in favour of the IdeGhcM
2019-04-14 18:43:24	mpickering	There is no need for backpack 
2019-04-14 18:43:31	mpickering	It's not suitable 
2019-04-14 18:44:31	@alanz	ok, was just contemplating it as alternative BIOS implementations.
2019-04-14 18:44:42	@alanz	but I guess your approach is configurable anyway
2019-04-14 18:53:12	teto	I remember seeing some hover requests succeed but now I can't find any succeeding (0.8.0). I see in log
2019-04-14 18:53:15	teto	reactor:got HoverRequest:RequestMessage {_jsonrpc = "2.0", _id = IdInt 357, _method = TextDocumentHover, _params = TextDocumentPositionParams {_textDocument = TextDocumentIdentifier {_uri = Uri {getUri = "file:///home/teto/mptcpnetlink/hs/daemon.hs"}}, _position = Position {_line = 780, _character = 13}}}
2019-04-14 18:53:18	teto	2019-04-14 22:20:25.066263542 [ThreadId 10] - reactor:HoverRequest done
2019-04-14 18:53:44	teto	but LC-neovim doesn't display anything. Is it possible to dump the result in the log ?
2019-04-14 18:56:23	fendor	teto, does hie work otherwise? 
2019-04-14 18:59:08	fendor	nvm, cant answer your question, never used neovim with hie
2019-04-14 19:34:01	mpickering	fendor: So this problem with hlint
2019-04-14 19:34:14	mpickering	what is in the hlint.yaml file?
2019-04-14 19:34:49	mpickering	which is installed into the datadir? I thought that users were meant to configure their projects by writing their own hlint.yaml
2019-04-14 20:11:47	fendor	mpickering, sorry, gimme a minute
2019-04-14 20:12:59	fendor	ok, so the problem is, hlint gets its lints from a certain file
2019-04-14 20:13:18	fendor	`hlint.yaml`, specified here https://github.com/ndmitchell/hlint/blob/master/data/hlint.yaml
2019-04-14 20:13:36	fendor	it is a data-file, so its at compile-time is baked into the executable
2019-04-14 20:13:55	fendor	for example, on my system it   ~/.cabal/store/ghc-8.4.4/hlint-2.1.15-8782d6ab3dc227b1c49b92fdeae8ecd837138c4d8f742c2f87f0c13927a32609/share/hlint.yaml
2019-04-14 20:14:44	fendor	assuming we have binary packages of hie, this hlint.yaml  would not be copied
2019-04-14 20:15:04	fendor	thus, hlint throws an exception which we fixed by catching the IOException
2019-04-14 20:15:06	mpickering	so it gets its default arguments by reading this file?
2019-04-14 20:15:09	mpickering	which may not exist
2019-04-14 20:15:10	fendor	yes
2019-04-14 20:15:28	fendor	as far as I have understood it
2019-04-14 20:15:40	mpickering	but if I remember right the hints are also specified in data files?
2019-04-14 20:15:58	fendor	i think this is the hlint.yaml
2019-04-14 20:16:28	fendor	yes, the hlint.yaml specifies hints 
2019-04-14 20:17:36	@alanz	I am pretty sure a lot of these kinds of problems will be resolved when we can install via hackage, without all the custom submodules
2019-04-14 20:17:44	mpickering	I don't think so
2019-04-14 20:18:14	mpickering	It's quite a big problem imo that hlint expects you to have installed an executable
2019-04-14 20:18:29	@alanz	hlint does not expect an exe
2019-04-14 20:18:46	@alanz	it just needs to have a tweak to its default hint file logic
2019-04-14 20:18:57	mpickering	but it expects these config files to be installed
2019-04-14 20:19:04	mpickering	which are only installed when you install the executable
2019-04-14 20:19:21	@alanz	well, we must make an issue about that on hlint then
2019-04-14 20:19:31	mpickering	perhaps I am wrong about that though
2019-04-14 20:20:04	@alanz	it is about finding the datadir, which in general happens via the Paths_hlint module, which is installation dependent
2019-04-14 20:20:19	@alanz	(which is the whole point of the Paths_xxx approach)
2019-04-14 20:20:51	@alanz	But we can perhaps try to install that specific file somewhere, either via hlint or via the install process
2019-04-14 20:21:06	@alanz	and make sure the hlint config file finding logic makes sense
2019-04-14 20:21:26	@alanz	it already looks in a whole lot of places, and we had to tweak it for the library-only case in hie
2019-04-14 20:21:35	@alanz	we just need to tweak it again
2019-04-14 20:21:57	fendor	i openend an issue for it
2019-04-14 20:22:06	fendor	https://github.com/ndmitchell/hlint/issues/620
2019-04-14 20:22:15	@alanz	great
2019-04-14 20:22:56	@alanz	ndm is quite good about responding to stuff, especially as he knows we make a point of having the current hlint in hie
2019-04-14 20:22:57	fendor	not just tweak, we have to somehow distribute these files
2019-04-14 20:23:17	fendor	if hlint always looks in something like `.local/hlint/hlint.yaml` then yes, it would not be an issue
2019-04-14 20:23:20	@alanz	I agree, but there are two parts, distribute, and find
2019-04-14 20:23:24	fendor	but i couldnt tell whether this happens
2019-04-14 20:23:48	fendor	assume find can not be solved since they are not present. like in the case of binary packages.
2019-04-14 20:24:05	@alanz	The logic is quite confusing, but I am sure we can change it to look for it in a well-known space, probably using the XDG_xxx variables
2019-04-14 20:24:51	fendor	then we have to configure the installation process to always right them to that location
2019-04-14 20:25:07	@alanz	yes
2019-04-14 20:25:10	mpickering	I don't think it should be necessary to have any random files installed for hlint to work as a library.. you could instead have the defaults as a haskell datatype
2019-04-14 20:25:21	mpickering	or keep them as a file
2019-04-14 20:25:30	mpickering	but embed the defaults into the executable using tempalte haskell
2019-04-14 20:25:41	fendor	mpickering, that was a suggestion of mine
2019-04-14 20:25:59	mpickering	something like $(liftIO (readFile "hlint.yaml" >>= parseHlintYaml))
2019-04-14 20:26:24	fendor	ndmitchell already said he would like to avoid th
2019-04-14 20:26:39	fendor	however, we could use it to solve the problem ourselves, by embedding these files into hie
2019-04-14 20:27:48	fendor	i tried to discuss this in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1143
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2019-04-14 21:22:33	teto	I wonder if LSP supports some kind of "busy" notification. Right now I've no diagnostics but if I look at the log, it's because cabal is building many things. I wish I could have some editor feedback
2019-04-14 21:29:51	mpickering	teto: This is something we plan to work on shortly
2019-04-14 21:30:50	teto	cool, the progress is real. So this is in the LSP spec ?
2019-04-14 21:31:39	mpickering	since yesterday it was merged into the repo which implements the specification
2019-04-14 21:31:45	mpickering	but it isn't part of the official spec yet
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2019-04-15 16:01:56	mpickering	Made some improvements on my branch and now ghc is loaded it and not using loads of memory
2019-04-15 16:02:10	mpickering	type map generation is much faster
2019-04-15 16:02:23	mpickering	reload time could be better but that is because of the number of hs-boot files
2019-04-15 16:02:28	mpickering	very fast for modules lower down in the tree
2019-04-15 16:03:15	mpickering	looking forward to getting some help this summer to finish it off .. :)
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2019-04-16 00:37:40	fendor_	how can I show an error to the user?
2019-04-16 00:38:05	@alanz	fendor_, what do you mean?
2019-04-16 00:38:21	@alanz	You can send a diagnostic with no file, and it should show up
2019-04-16 00:38:22	fendor_	I have an error and I want to show it in a pop up message to the user
2019-04-16 00:38:32	@alanz	or send the showmessage thing
2019-04-16 00:38:37	@alanz	what kind of error?
2019-04-16 00:38:45	fendor_	a configuration error
2019-04-16 00:39:01	fendor_	in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1174 i catch the error that the hoogle db is garbage
2019-04-16 00:39:11	fendor_	this is something we ought to show to the user somehow
2019-04-16 00:39:39	@alanz	window/showMessage just shows it, window/showMessageRequest asks for a choice to resolve it
2019-04-16 00:40:24	fendor_	in LspStdio?
2019-04-16 00:40:33	@alanz	but I also think sending a diagnostic can work
2019-04-16 00:40:44	@alanz	because it is constant, and points out that a fix is needed
2019-04-16 00:40:52	@alanz	yes, from LspStdio
2019-04-16 00:40:56	fendor_	ok, thank you! 
2019-04-16 00:41:01	fendor_	there are probably examples
2019-04-16 00:41:03	@alanz	I think we are doing it already, in some cases
2019-04-16 00:41:04	@alanz	yes
2019-04-16 00:41:13	mpickering	one example I can think of is the ghc version mismatch warning
2019-04-16 00:41:17	@alanz	yes
2019-04-16 00:41:44	fendor_	k, great!
2019-04-16 00:41:58	mpickering	alanz: Did you make much progress extracting hare from ghc-mod?
2019-04-16 00:43:03	mpickering	I made my branch today try to load all of a component when it is initialised 
2019-04-16 00:43:13	mpickering	which means you can get the whole `ModuleGraph` for a component
2019-04-16 00:43:34	mpickering	also means you can be precise about which files belong to a component
2019-04-16 00:44:10	@alanz	mpickering, that sounds like the one feature I need
2019-04-16 00:44:47	@alanz	I got to a point yesterday, of extracting the API actually used by HaRe, into hie-plugin-api
2019-04-16 00:45:01	@alanz	now I want to bring that onto your branch, and work from there
2019-04-16 00:45:34	@alanz	But I need a bit of clear time, need to rework the monad structure in HaRe to be on top of GhcT instead of GhcModT
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2019-04-16 00:46:03	mpickering	What does it use from GhcModT?
2019-04-16 00:46:21	mpickering	because it might make more sense to base it on the HIE monad
2019-04-16 00:46:34	@alanz	well, at the moment the HaRe monad (RefactGhc) is basically state on top of ghcmodt
2019-04-16 00:46:45	@alanz	yes, that was my initial thought
2019-04-16 00:47:01	@alanz	IdeGhcM, or whatever it is
2019-04-16 00:47:28	@alanz	but then I wondered if putting it on top of straight GhcT might make more sense.
2019-04-16 00:47:51	@alanz	I guess the HIE one is better, because then we get access to the module cache
2019-04-16 00:49:14	@alanz	my time has been pretty crazy this last month
2019-04-16 00:49:26	@alanz	and not going to get much better for the near future
2019-04-16 00:52:24	fendor_	hm, hoogle is invoked in lspstdio exactly once, and at the completion request... Can I send a message from the plugin itself?
2019-04-16 00:52:38	fendor_	the rest is invoked as cmd's afiak
2019-04-16 00:52:42	fendor_	*afaik
2019-04-16 00:53:49	@alanz	yes
2019-04-16 00:54:17	@alanz	if you have access to the function
2019-04-16 00:54:48	fendor_	which function? 
2019-04-16 00:55:26	fendor_	sorry, afk for 30 minutes
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2019-04-16 01:20:37	fendor_	ok, so, if I am in the Hoogle function infoCmdFancyRender :: T.Text -> IdeM (Either HoogleError T.Text), can I send a message to the user if the result is Left HoogleError?
2019-04-16 01:42:18	wz1000	fendor_: you can send the appropriate kind of Notification message when the function returns, in the main loop in LspStdio
2019-04-16 01:43:03	wz1000	look at usages of fmServerShowMessageNotification in LspStdio
2019-04-16 01:43:33	fendor_	and in commands and code actions?
2019-04-16 01:44:34	wz1000	I don't think you are directly supposed to send LSP messages directly from commands
2019-04-16 01:44:45	fendor_	hm. 
2019-04-16 01:44:58	fendor_	but what if these commands fail due to user configs?
2019-04-16 01:45:19	wz1000	Put the message in the return value, and then when it returns, you can do what you like with it in the callback
2019-04-16 01:45:35	fendor_	with code actions?
2019-04-16 01:45:50	fendor_	are they also routed through lspstdio?
2019-04-16 01:46:19	fendor_	dont they implement a general interface?
2019-04-16 01:47:01	wz1000	yes, I think commands that return WorkspaceEdits are intercepted by LspStdio, and the WorkspaceEdit is turned into a proper LSP notification that is then sent to the client
2019-04-16 01:47:26	wz1000	because commands in the LSP protocol has no way to return data to the client iirc
2019-04-16 01:47:46	fendor_	hm, ok, well, it is complicated, it seems
2019-04-16 01:48:10	wz1000	So the server must intercept the result of the command and call the appropriate LSP request/notification
2019-04-16 01:48:55	fendor_	ok, where are the interceptions?
2019-04-16 01:49:37	wz1000	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs#L590
2019-04-16 01:49:46	fendor_	thank you
2019-04-16 01:49:53	wz1000	you will have to add another case there
2019-04-16 01:50:09	wz1000	Best if you define a newtype for the result of the code action
2019-04-16 01:51:00	fendor_	thanks, will take a look at it!
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2019-04-16 14:52:09	mpickering	fendor: Do you want to chat about what you plan to work on? Are you planning to work on this types thing or the window/progress thing?
2019-04-16 14:53:33	fendor	i am planning to work on the type map
2019-04-16 14:55:14	mpickering	ok
2019-04-16 14:55:26	mpickering	So there are two things to think about here
2019-04-16 14:56:18	mpickering	The first once is you have to move the code from ghc-mod into HIE but you shouldn't copy it really as the licenses of the two projects are different
2019-04-16 14:56:32	mpickering	So instead you should copy the code from the file I linked in GHC
2019-04-16 14:56:41	mpickering	secondly you want to directly create the type map rather than an intermediate list
2019-04-16 14:57:14	mpickering	thirdly you need to make the GHC part work on the GHC versions that HIE supports
2019-04-16 14:57:36	mpickering	If that's too annoying for now make it so that in old versions of ghc it falls back to the slow function from ghc-mod
2019-04-16 14:57:50	mpickering	and I would put all this in a new module
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2019-04-16 15:10:55	fendor	whoa, yeah, i think, i will have several questions :D
2019-04-16 15:13:35	mpickering	fouthly, when you're done if you could forward port your changes to my branch that would be useful for me :P
2019-04-16 15:14:08	fendor	i wrote the steps down and will start today with evaluation, ill come back to you if i am stuck anywhere
2019-04-16 15:15:28	fendor	now i have to get going, catch a train
2019-04-16 15:15:33	fendor	see ya!
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2019-04-16 17:01:37	@alanz	dxld: wrt licensing, and the ghc-mod-(core) code, I recall you mentioning at some point that you would be ok with the non-cabal-helper parts to move into hie. Did I misunderstand, or are you happy with that? 
2019-04-16 17:01:40	@alanz	mpickering, ^^
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2019-04-16 17:14:01	mpickering	fendor: You should try out my branch again on cabal if you are going to do more work on that as well. It's gloriously fast for me. 
2019-04-16 17:14:10	mpickering	cachix use mpickering; nix run -f https://github.com/mpickering//hie-nix/tarball/master hie86
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2019-04-16 17:21:31	fendor	mpickering, that's really cool! yes, i have to do more stuff on cabal, will do that when dxld and hvr gave me a few pointers on how to write tests :)
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2019-04-16 18:20:58	fendor	question, shouldnt hover also show the documentation of local functions? for me, this is not working... my mistake or not implemented?
2019-04-16 18:21:25	mpickering	That never worked for me
2019-04-16 18:21:50	mpickering	I also don't remember seeing anything in the source code to suggest it should do that
2019-04-16 18:22:53	fendor	imo this is an important feature. I suppose, it is terribly hard to implement?
2019-04-16 18:24:09	fendor	since we would have to build the haddock documentation of the package
2019-04-16 18:24:49	mpickering	I don't think it's impossible, the haddock docs should be avaiable in the typechecked module
2019-04-16 18:25:07	mpickering	haddock is just a GHC API program
2019-04-16 18:25:24	fendor	it is definitely not impossible, but building the documentation is a rather heavy operation
2019-04-16 18:25:33	fendor	or at least, it normally takes forever
2019-04-16 18:26:11	mpickering	I'm not sure what you mean here
2019-04-16 18:26:26	mpickering	building the documentation is essentially the same thing as building a package
2019-04-16 18:27:08	mpickering	The thing I don't know is how to get the docs from the AST and what option to enable to store them
2019-04-16 18:27:20	mpickering	It might be `-haddock`
2019-04-16 18:27:31	mpickering	overall doesn't sound like a difficult project
2019-04-16 18:27:40	mpickering	but a low priority until everything else is fixed
2019-04-16 18:27:44	fendor	i can experiment with that when i get depressed with the typemap
2019-04-16 18:28:10	mpickering	typemap will be quite easy hopefully
2019-04-16 18:28:25	mpickering	All quite local changes and rearranging
2019-04-16 18:28:28	fendor	for me, it is a lot to read and understand, but i am currently working on it
2019-04-16 18:29:04	mpickering	What are you trying to understand? The function which generates the map is called `genTypeMap` and the number of functions which get called from there is quite small
2019-04-16 18:30:02	fendor	i am currently in SrcUtils, trying to understand your changes
2019-04-16 18:30:19	mpickering	ok
2019-04-16 18:30:36	fendor	that is the function i have to ultimately change, right?
2019-04-16 18:30:56	fendor	from list to map
2019-04-16 18:31:57	mpickering	I'm not sure the best way to do it. It isn't 100% necessary to do that bit
2019-04-16 18:32:02	mpickering	performance is fine just with this change tbg
2019-04-16 18:32:04	mpickering	*tbh
2019-04-16 18:32:18	mpickering	the more important bit is removing the dependency on ghc-mod
2019-04-16 18:32:41	fendor	ok, so, not copy the code, but somehow reimplement it from ghc-mod?
2019-04-16 18:32:54	mpickering	you should copy the very similar code from GHC
2019-04-16 18:33:10	mpickering	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/blob/fef4a8dd65428cbcdc4aa58f0444eae9f5cc63ed/compiler/hieFile/HieAst.hs
2019-04-16 18:33:46	fendor	yeah, already looking at it
2019-04-16 18:34:46	fendor	i mainly see class instances, though, I understand that these are important, but I dont see a replacement for collectSpansTypes
2019-04-16 18:35:51	mpickering	ah right maybe we will have to reimplement that
2019-04-16 18:35:58	mpickering	I am looking as well and it seems they don't use generics
2019-04-16 18:37:00	mpickering	I have another idea though
2019-04-16 18:37:15	mpickering	perhaps there's a function in HieAst that we can call to generate the type map
2019-04-16 18:37:57	fendor	yes, thinking the same
2019-04-16 18:38:30	fendor	there are at least `hie_types`
2019-04-16 18:38:57	mpickering	If you call `toHie` on the module then you get a tree which you can then flatten to get the type map
2019-04-16 18:39:34	fendor	you think that is fast enough?
2019-04-16 18:40:21	mpickering	yes
2019-04-16 18:40:45	mpickering	That sounds really simple to me
2019-04-16 18:41:00	mpickering	So in `genTypeMap`, call `toHie` on the module
2019-04-16 18:41:08	mpickering	and then write a recursive function which builds the type map
2019-04-16 18:41:53	fendor	ok, will try
2019-04-16 18:42:12	mpickering	ah I can see two problems here
2019-04-16 18:42:20	mpickering	1. toHie isn't exported
2019-04-16 18:42:39	mpickering	2. This module only exists in GHC 8.8
2019-04-16 18:42:45	fendor	yep, major problems
2019-04-16 18:42:56	mpickering	ok so scrap that idea
2019-04-16 18:43:11	mpickering	We'll have to write a simple syb traversal to do something similar to collectAllSpans
2019-04-16 18:44:12	fendor	collectAllSpans is an early implementation of HieFiles, right? E.g., to get the type of each subexpression
2019-04-16 18:44:49	mpickering	yes
2019-04-16 18:44:55	mpickering	There is a faster version though
2019-04-16 18:44:56	mpickering	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/blob/fef4a8dd65428cbcdc4aa58f0444eae9f5cc63ed/compiler/hieFile/HieAst.hs
2019-04-16 18:44:59	mpickering	Woops
2019-04-16 18:45:45	mpickering	This one: https://github.com/haskell/haddock/blob/44169f4b1907e34fdf8ff84cf8b7509b1dfcaf55/haddock-api/src/Haddock/Backends/Hyperlinker/Ast.hs#L77
2019-04-16 18:47:33	mpickering	So you can copy and modify that
2019-04-16 18:47:55	fendor	ok, will try that!
2019-04-16 18:48:02	fendor	do you have some kind of benchmark for it?
2019-04-16 18:48:15	mpickering	Alec did some benchmarks
2019-04-16 18:49:17	mpickering	https://github.com/haskell/haddock/commit/506f614402192bd7b6a9a608e925a01b373b2bdc#diff-043558b1b9134fad07f03a7533876752
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2019-04-16 20:34:08	fendor	I cant get the Type of a name, right?
2019-04-16 20:34:33	fendor	i feel like i am asking the same questions a hundred times
2019-04-16 20:38:49	wz1000	fendor: if you build your project with haddock documentation enabled, HIE should pick up on it
2019-04-16 20:39:35	fendor	wz1000, cool! however, this rebuilds the whole proejct right?
2019-04-16 20:39:40	wz1000	yes
2019-04-16 20:39:52	fendor	well, not gonna rebuild 200 dependencies right now :D 
2019-04-16 20:40:45	wz1000	Alternatively, you can just run `hoogle generate` with the same version of hoogle as your HIE installation is built with
2019-04-16 20:41:10	wz1000	If haddocks are not found, HIE will fall back to the local hoogle db
2019-04-16 20:41:47	fendor	wz1000, yes, that works as expected. But the documentation for local packages is really useful as well
2019-04-16 20:42:01	fendor	and often the documentation just not builds, in my experience
2019-04-16 20:42:03	fendor	for whatever reason
2019-04-16 20:43:01	wz1000	If you are using cabal to build HIE, then the normal way of enable haddock will not rebuild dependencies
2019-04-16 20:43:12	wz1000	s/enable/enabling
2019-04-16 20:43:51	mpickering	fendor: No Names exist before typechecking 
2019-04-16 20:43:55	mpickering	you get the type of an Id
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2019-04-16 20:44:53	wz1000	You can look up the Id of a name in an environment like TcGblEnv, TcLclEnv`
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2019-04-16 20:46:00	fendor	hm... the haddock code for ast traversal only retrieves the name. The typeMap wants a GHC.Type though.
2019-04-16 20:46:11	fendor	can i use the typeclass HasType?
2019-04-16 20:46:26	fendor	as the one in your ghc-mod?
2019-04-16 20:47:00	mpickering	Right you have to modify the haddock traversal
2019-04-16 20:47:18	mpickering	to add a case which finds `LHsExpr GhcTc` in the AST
2019-04-16 20:47:22	mpickering	and then calls the funciton in HasTYpe
2019-04-16 20:48:26	fendor	ok, was thinking something similar
2019-04-16 20:48:28	fendor	thanks!
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2019-04-16 22:04:36	fendor	failing to make this really compile: https://gist.github.com/fendor/0451d507b16564e47cf6f8e3c93e7f15
2019-04-16 22:29:15	fendor	now it compiles but the result is empty :(
2019-04-16 22:31:18	mpickering	because the renamed source doesn't contain any GhcTc
2019-04-16 22:31:27	mpickering	you want to use the typechecked binds I think
2019-04-16 22:33:00	fendor	dammit it
2019-04-16 22:33:06	fendor	just realised the mistake :D 
2019-04-16 22:33:11	fendor	type checker helped
2019-04-16 22:34:50	mpickering	well done mrs type checker
2019-04-16 22:35:38	mpickering	otherwise looks like the right idea to me
2019-04-16 22:35:55	fendor	let's if I can make this compile...
2019-04-16 22:39:03	mpickering	Was the problem what I said?
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2019-04-17 15:05:38	fendor	someone wants to add something to the discussion about hlint: https://github.com/ndmitchell/hlint/issues/620
2019-04-17 15:07:06	mpickering	fendor: If you use hlint as a library then how does it find the data file?
2019-04-17 15:07:13	mpickering	when you install the library does it also install the data file?
2019-04-17 15:07:26	fendor	when you build it from source, yes
2019-04-17 15:08:52	fendor	it finds its data-files via cabal, location is compiled into hlint via cabal_paths
2019-04-17 15:08:58	fendor	I have learnt that you can set $hlint_paths or something like that to influence it at run-time
2019-04-17 15:09:13	mpickering	ok but the point is that if you want to distribute a binary for hie then this file won't get installed
2019-04-17 15:09:20	fendor	yes
2019-04-17 15:09:38	mpickering	I think we should install it in the same way as hlint then
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2019-04-17 15:09:52	fendor	would definitely not solve the problem
2019-04-17 15:10:00	mpickering	why not?
2019-04-17 15:10:09	fendor	hlint installs it at compile-time
2019-04-17 15:10:11	mpickering	If you copy the hlint.yaml into hie and add it to data-files
2019-04-17 15:10:32	fendor	then we still have to distribute these, and now the paths are even hard coded into the executable
2019-04-17 15:11:13	mpickering	do you know how hie-nix works then?
2019-04-17 15:11:22	mpickering	because that just distributes a static executable I believe?
2019-04-17 15:12:00	fendor	it is still an instalaltion from source
2019-04-17 15:12:49	mpickering	how are you planning to distribute this binary?
2019-04-17 15:13:08	mpickering	if you supply a bindist then running `make install` can copy the file into the right place
2019-04-17 15:13:21	mpickering	XDG_DATA_DIR for example
2019-04-17 15:13:30	fendor	yes, that would be a way to solve it
2019-04-17 15:13:46	mpickering	But you seem to want to just distribute an single executable
2019-04-17 15:13:59	fendor	that is not a strict requirement.
2019-04-17 15:14:07	mpickering	and you can also make a wrapper for HIE which sets the path to the hlint file
2019-04-17 15:14:13	mpickering	by setting the env var
2019-04-17 15:14:23	mpickering	so the location can be configured at install time
2019-04-17 15:14:42	fendor	i think so, yes
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2019-04-17 15:15:11	mpickering	So that seems to me an established way to go
2019-04-17 15:15:25	mpickering	when you make the package you have to get the hlint.yaml somehow
2019-04-17 15:15:30	mpickering	but that should be easy enough
2019-04-17 15:16:35	fendor	yes it is, but it needs to be documented and I wanted to know whether this is our best course of action
2019-04-17 15:16:41	fendor	*we
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2019-04-17 15:18:29	power-fungus	So we package the hlint data-files in a package. Additionally, we need to copy the data-files when building via the install.hs
2019-04-17 15:20:16	power-fungus	if we do not do this the built binaries lose access to the data-files in case the original build-directory is deleted
2019-04-17 15:20:41	mpickering	that's like saying
2019-04-17 15:20:49	mpickering	if you delete ~/.ghc then ghc will no longer work
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2019-04-17 15:22:23	fendor	different since we did not build ghc from source?
2019-04-17 15:22:45	fendor	i dont know enough about ghc, though
2019-04-17 15:23:09	mpickering	not sure what the point is here. Even if you build ghc from source you have to install it
2019-04-17 15:23:54	fendor	but why should hie rely on the existence of its build directory? 
2019-04-17 15:24:00	mpickering	It shouldn't
2019-04-17 15:24:17	mpickering	you install the hlint.yaml into XDG_DATA_DIR/haskell-ide-engine
2019-04-17 15:24:27	fendor	that was a suggestion, yes
2019-04-17 15:24:45	fendor	you think that is the best course of action?
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2019-04-17 15:24:49	mpickering	yes
2019-04-17 15:25:18	fendor	alright, I think we can do that. Now the question is, at run-time or compie-time?
2019-04-17 15:25:58	mpickering	at install-time..
2019-04-17 15:26:39	power-fungus	where is XDG_DATA_DIR exactly?
2019-04-17 15:27:42	mpickering	I think usually ~/.local
2019-04-17 15:27:49	mpickering	hmm perhaps now
2019-04-17 15:27:51	mpickering	not
2019-04-17 15:27:52	mpickering	let me check
2019-04-17 15:28:47	power-fungus	a package to be managed by package-managers will have to install things independently from $HOME
2019-04-17 15:28:57	mpickering	`$XDG_DATA_HOME defines the base directory relative to which user specific data files should be stored. If $XDG_DATA_HOME is either not set or empty, a default equal to $HOME/.local/share should be used. `
2019-04-17 15:29:30	mpickering	power-fungus: Right but when you package a bindist you include a configure script which you can explicitly set the location you want to use
2019-04-17 15:29:46	mpickering	and then `make install` will make a wrapper which points to the place where the configure script chose
2019-04-17 15:30:47	power-fungus	I am not sure what the process is exactly, but if your are confident the distribution of data-files will work, I have no problem with that 
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2019-04-17 15:52:12	mpickering	fendor: Did your type map work yesterday then?
2019-04-17 15:52:22	fendor	no, will continue now with ti
2019-04-17 15:53:19	fendor	*it
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2019-04-17 15:57:36	fendor_	I think, I cant use the generics impl's of haddock
2019-04-17 15:57:52	fendor_	since they work on renamed source while we have the typechecked module
2019-04-17 15:58:04	fendor_	need to find out how we can traverse that
2019-04-17 15:58:42	mpickering	well you just have to change the types 
2019-04-17 15:59:01	mpickering	line 34 of your gist
2019-04-17 15:59:08	mpickering	you need to change that to the typechecked syntax
2019-04-17 15:59:47	mpickering	tm_typechecked_source
2019-04-17 15:59:57	fendor_	goodness, i just did exactly that :D
2019-04-17 16:00:02	mpickering	then also change like 55
2019-04-17 16:02:33	fendor_	it is ok to use your change from ghc-mod, right?
2019-04-17 16:02:46	fendor_	or is it under a different license now as well?
2019-04-17 16:03:02	mpickering	yes because I copied that from GHC
2019-04-17 16:03:10	fendor_	great!
2019-04-17 16:03:14	fendor_	trying it out right now
2019-04-17 16:04:29	fendor_	map gets populated with something
2019-04-17 16:08:40	mpickering	You probably want to avoid recursing into @GHC.Id rather than GHC.Name as well
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2019-04-17 16:10:01	fendor_	will look into that once it works 
2019-04-17 16:10:15	fendor_	so far, it does not pick up the type of everything
2019-04-17 16:10:46	mpickering	what is it missing?
2019-04-17 16:11:26	fendor_	dunno, just doesnt show me the type of local variables
2019-04-17 16:11:46	mpickering	but it does work for expressions right?
2019-04-17 16:13:21	fendor_	what kinf of expressions?
2019-04-17 16:13:51	fendor_	it seems to work for functions?
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2019-04-17 16:14:35	fendor_	it shows the type of functions defined in that module
2019-04-17 16:15:36	fendor_	so i suppose, it is kind of working?
2019-04-17 16:15:52	mpickering	I would say it is working
2019-04-17 16:16:02	mpickering	but I don't know what example you are trying
2019-04-17 16:16:05	mpickering	what the output is
2019-04-17 16:16:06	fendor_	hie itself
2019-04-17 16:16:09	mpickering	or what you expect to be different
2019-04-17 16:16:45	fendor_	well, if I do something like that: do l <- getLine; and hover over l, it does not show me the type of l.
2019-04-17 16:17:07	mpickering	ok that's because the l isn't an expression
2019-04-17 16:17:08	mpickering	but a pattern
2019-04-17 16:17:12	fendor_	i see
2019-04-17 16:17:42	mpickering	if you look at the haddock code base you will see some code for patterns
2019-04-17 16:18:08	fendor_	so, just adapt that code as well?
2019-04-17 16:18:28	mpickering	actually not haddock
2019-04-17 16:19:31	fendor_	in haddock there is code for binds and patterns
2019-04-17 16:19:42	mpickering	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/blob/master/compiler/hieFile/HieAst.hs#L614
2019-04-17 16:20:32	mpickering	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/blob/master/compiler/hieFile/HieAst.hs#L441
2019-04-17 16:20:36	mpickering	That one sorry
2019-04-17 16:26:12	fendor_	alright, seems easy enough
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2019-04-17 16:32:34	fendor_	now patterns work
2019-04-17 16:33:09	fendor_	these changes look promising
2019-04-17 16:34:15	fendor_	https://gist.github.com/fendor/d8b4819855c20af29f52bda6d13c5240
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2019-04-17 16:40:58	mpickering	you probably want to combine together the two traversals
2019-04-17 16:41:04	mpickering	so you don't traverse the whole Ast twice
2019-04-17 16:41:44	mpickering	using the `combine` combinator
2019-04-17 16:41:55	fendor_	currently, it looks like getType as is is troublesome
2019-04-17 16:42:00	fendor_	since it requires the GhcMonad
2019-04-17 16:42:45	fendor_	and/or IO
2019-04-17 16:44:45	fendor_	looks like the traversal method of haddock and ghc do not compose well?
2019-04-17 16:45:21	mpickering	You can make the traversal return a monadic action
2019-04-17 16:45:28	mpickering	IO Type or something
2019-04-17 16:45:37	mpickering	then turn [IO Type] into IO [Type]
2019-04-17 16:45:42	fendor_	sequence
2019-04-17 16:45:44	fendor_	A
2019-04-17 16:45:53	fendor_	alright, thanks
2019-04-17 16:45:59	mpickering	and you can get rid of the GhcMonad constraint
2019-04-17 16:46:06	mpickering	by passing the Session as an argumnet
2019-04-17 16:46:10	mpickering	rather than call getSession
2019-04-17 16:46:16	fendor_	yeah, agreed
2019-04-17 16:46:22	mpickering	and just have the outermost function in GhcMonad
2019-04-17 16:47:51	fendor_	mhm, will do that
2019-04-17 16:48:31	mpickering	then you can make the return type of the pattern traversal the same as the expression one
2019-04-17 16:49:35	fendor_	ill try!
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2019-04-17 17:59:13	fendor_	trying to convert the function `everythingBut` into a monadic version. But it seems that I cant use the function gmapQ :: (forall d. Data d => d -> u) -> a -> [u]  since it needs to be executed in a monadic context
2019-04-17 17:59:44	fendor_	what I've got so far: https://gist.github.com/fendor/163ba2644ea4024f1e7cd1b76be7da34
2019-04-17 17:59:49	fendor_	which does not compile, though
2019-04-17 18:04:49	mpickering	fendor_: There is a monadic version in syb
2019-04-17 18:04:51	mpickering	did you look at that?
2019-04-17 18:04:56	fendor_	is there?
2019-04-17 18:05:04	fendor_	didnt find it for everythingBut
2019-04-17 18:05:28	fendor_	there is only everywhereM
2019-04-17 18:06:21	mpickering	you are missing the foldl' as well?
2019-04-17 18:06:57	fendor_	type of gmapM :: forall m. Monad m => (forall d. Data d => d -> m d) -> a -> m a 
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2019-04-17 18:07:07	fendor_	does no longer generate a list
2019-04-17 18:07:36	mpickering	because it does the wrong thing :)
2019-04-17 18:07:48	fendor_	how do I tell that? :D
2019-04-17 18:07:57	mpickering	by reading the documentation
2019-04-17 18:08:27	mpickering	You can probably use `gmapQr` insteead
2019-04-17 18:08:45	mpickering	`forall r r'. (r' -> r -> r) -> r -> (forall d. Data d => d -> r') -> a -> r `
2019-04-17 18:11:35	fendor_	honestly, I cant read that from the documentation, but probably I jsut dont understand what the Data typeclass actually does and how
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2019-04-17 18:12:12	mpickering	gmapM is meant for modifying a term
2019-04-17 18:12:16	mpickering	gmapQ for summarising
2019-04-17 18:12:21	mpickering	do you see how you can use `gmapQr`?
2019-04-17 18:12:42	fendor_	oh, i see, query vs transformation
2019-04-17 18:13:13	fendor_	no really, yet.
2019-04-17 18:13:32	fendor_	afaik, my r' would be a monadic result
2019-04-17 18:13:37	mpickering	yes
2019-04-17 18:14:57	fendor_	isn't the kind wrong?
2019-04-17 18:15:36	mpickering	what do you mean?
2019-04-17 18:16:12	fendor_	monads have the kind * -> * and r' ist kind * ?
2019-04-17 18:17:07	mpickering	`m a` has kind `*`
2019-04-17 18:17:12	fendor_	oh, yeah
2019-04-17 18:17:13	fendor_	right
2019-04-17 18:20:10	fendor_	but do I need Qr then? doesnt gmapQ suffice
2019-04-17 18:20:11	fendor_	?
2019-04-17 18:21:25	mpickering	If you use gmapQ then you have to sequence the result
2019-04-17 18:21:41	mpickering	if you use gmapQr then it's straightforward to change it to construct the source map directly rather than at the end
2019-04-17 18:21:55	fendor_	ok
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2019-04-17 18:44:13	fendor_	got it to compile, but at run-time, hie dies with `user error (mzero)`: https://gist.github.com/fendor/163ba2644ea4024f1e7cd1b76be7da34
2019-04-17 18:46:17	mpickering	paste the whole module
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2019-04-17 18:49:14	mpickering	I think you're probably applying one of the generic functions to something which has no constructors
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2019-04-17 18:52:22	mpickering	fenedor: Can you paste the whole module?
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2019-04-17 19:09:43	fendor	connection issues.
2019-04-17 19:09:52	fendor	nobody said anything to me, right?
2019-04-17 19:10:42	mpickering	yes I said things
2019-04-17 19:10:48	mpickering	such as "paste the whole module"
2019-04-17 19:10:52	mpickering	and "I think you're probably applying one of the generic functions to something which has no constructors"
2019-04-17 19:10:54	fendor	ok, sorry
2019-04-17 19:11:13	fendor	yes, the suggestion makes sense, probably doing that
2019-04-17 19:11:15	fendor	wait a second
2019-04-17 19:11:58	fendor	https://gist.github.com/fendor/d8b4819855c20af29f52bda6d13c5240
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2019-04-17 19:13:17	mpickering	fendor: I think your definition of `combineM`
2019-04-17 19:14:32	mpickering	if you get rid of the call to `combineM` then the error stops?
2019-04-17 19:15:02	fendor	i dont know, ill try
2019-04-17 19:17:06	fendor	yes, you are right
2019-04-17 19:17:13	fendor	no error 
2019-04-17 19:18:06	fendor	and it works for expressions
2019-04-17 19:19:25	mpickering	so your definition of combineM is wrong
2019-04-17 19:19:30	fendor	yeah
2019-04-17 19:21:50	fendor	but why? it works for a trivial example
2019-04-17 19:23:05	mpickering	it should probably be `m a` rather than `m (f a)`
2019-04-17 19:23:49	fendor	no constraint on a?
2019-04-17 19:24:29	mpickering	why did you change the definition?
2019-04-17 19:24:33	mpickering	didn't it work before?
2019-04-17 19:24:49	fendor	it swallowed the second part
2019-04-17 19:24:58	fendor	i figured this is due to the alternative instance of IO
2019-04-17 19:25:53	mpickering	did you look how it worked in haddock?
2019-04-17 19:26:06	mpickering	I'm not sure what you mean by swallowed the second part
2019-04-17 19:26:27	fendor	in haddock the types it combines is of a -> [(b, c)].
2019-04-17 19:26:28	mpickering	perhaps you need to define a different function which doesn't use <|>
2019-04-17 19:26:34	mpickering	oh I see
2019-04-17 19:26:35	fendor	this uses the alternative instance of []
2019-04-17 19:27:48	fendor	so, i thought i try to apply it again on it
2019-04-17 19:27:55	fendor	*again on the list 
2019-04-17 19:28:29	mpickering	oh I see
2019-04-17 19:28:37	mpickering	the problem is that `m = (-> a)`
2019-04-17 19:28:45	mpickering	I think?
2019-04-17 19:28:46	mpickering	ah no
2019-04-17 19:29:27	fendor	the problem is in the initial implementation, it uses the alternative instance of IO in combine
2019-04-17 19:29:34	fendor	which discards it's seconds value
2019-04-17 19:29:53	mpickering	ok just write your own function which is specialised
2019-04-17 19:29:56	mpickering	and does the right thing?
2019-04-17 19:30:03	mpickering	rather than try to implement the general combinator
2019-04-17 19:30:08	fendor	ok
2019-04-17 19:31:18	mpickering	then it will be clear why it goes wrong if it dos
2019-04-17 19:36:22	fendor	specialized the type to combineM :: (forall a. Data a => a -> IO [(GHC.SrcSpan, Type.Type)]) -> (forall a. Data a => a -> IO [(GHC.SrcSpan, Type.Type)]) -> (forall a. Data a => a -> IO [(GHC.SrcSpan, Type.Type)])
2019-04-17 19:36:25	fendor	same error
2019-04-17 19:38:00	mpickering	I would try printing out the result `a` and `b`
2019-04-17 19:38:10	mpickering	I'm out of ideas why this is failing :)
2019-04-17 19:38:21	fendor	ok, will do that
2019-04-17 19:38:41	fendor	how did you even notice immediately that this is the culprit?
2019-04-17 19:38:54	fendor	i would have thought that it is the only thing that cant be quite wrong
2019-04-17 19:39:13	mpickering	because the error mentioned mzero
2019-04-17 19:39:18	mpickering	and that was the only place you used alternative
2019-04-17 19:40:02	fendor	i see. makes sense
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2019-04-17 19:42:45	fendor	i may have found the culprit
2019-04-17 19:44:05	fendor	yeah...
2019-04-17 19:44:12	fendor	this is awkard now
2019-04-17 19:44:23	fendor	*awkward
2019-04-17 19:44:45	fendor	https://gist.github.com/fendor/d8b4819855c20af29f52bda6d13c5240 in line 59
2019-04-17 19:45:15	fendor	used the Alternative instance of IO
2019-04-17 19:45:18	fendor	which failed
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2019-04-17 19:48:06	mpickering	ah great
2019-04-17 19:48:09	fendor	i think it is working now
2019-04-17 19:48:12	mpickering	yeah that's a subtle one
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2019-04-17 19:51:02	fendor	alright, so, now the idea would be to immediately write it into the intervalmap
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2019-04-17 19:55:16	fendor	i am gonna specialize just every function
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2019-04-17 20:07:19	fendor	https://gist.github.com/fendor/d8b4819855c20af29f52bda6d13c5240
2019-04-17 20:07:26	fendor	implementation without intermediate structure
2019-04-17 20:08:06	fendor	dont know though if this implemenation is faster or slower
2019-04-17 20:09:04	mpickering	looks good now
2019-04-17 20:09:09	mpickering	you should quickly profile it then
2019-04-17 20:10:34	fendor	quickly :D
2019-04-17 20:10:41	fendor	gonna rebuild the whole project for that
2019-04-17 20:10:45	fendor	gonna take at least half an hour
2019-04-17 20:15:26	mpickering	or you can observe how much memory is used 
2019-04-17 20:15:35	mpickering	it should be a lot less than the old version
2019-04-17 20:21:25	fendor	hm, in a quick survey it was not really less
2019-04-17 20:21:48	fendor	my system used about 4.1 gb when haddock.hs was open
2019-04-17 20:21:59	fendor	I think, it is now roughly the same
2019-04-17 20:22:02	mpickering	how many lines is this file?
2019-04-17 20:22:13	mpickering	try on a module which has at least 2000 lines
2019-04-17 20:22:20	fendor	234
2019-04-17 20:22:23	fendor	ok
2019-04-17 20:22:30	fendor	how much should I expect?
2019-04-17 20:22:49	mpickering	a lot
2019-04-17 20:22:50	mpickering	gb
2019-04-17 20:23:08	mpickering	it should also be way slower to return the result of the initial hover request
2019-04-17 20:23:08	fendor	hehe
2019-04-17 20:23:33	mpickering	anyway once you finish your branch I will merge it into mine and try it on GHC
2019-04-17 20:23:33	fendor	yeah, i thought that I already observed that
2019-04-17 20:24:45	fendor	alright, should I make a pull request against your branch or hie?
2019-04-17 20:25:03	mpickering	definitely hie
2019-04-17 20:25:10	fendor	alright
2019-04-17 20:25:17	mpickering	You can make a pr to my branch if you feel like it
2019-04-17 20:25:25	mpickering	but it should be easy to merge in right as it's all stuff in a new module
2019-04-17 20:25:28	fendor	looking for a file with 2000 lines of code :D
2019-04-17 20:25:34	fendor	yes, I think so, too
2019-04-17 20:25:36	mpickering	you can make one
2019-04-17 20:25:53	mpickering	just make sure it has lots of subexpressions
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2019-04-17 20:33:36	fendor_	looks alright, 7400 lines of `x <- getLine`, memory usage is about 4 GB i think
2019-04-17 20:33:39	fendor_	maybe 5
2019-04-17 20:33:53	fendor_	loading took roughly one minute
2019-04-17 20:34:25	mpickering	on the new branch?
2019-04-17 20:34:37	fendor_	with the typemap implementation, i think
2019-04-17 20:34:42	fendor_	yeah
2019-04-17 20:34:44	fendor_	pretty sure
2019-04-17 20:34:47	mpickering	what about the old version
2019-04-17 20:34:51	mpickering	that still sounds kinda bad haha
2019-04-17 20:35:30	fendor_	you said many GB for 2000 lines, so 4 GB for 7000 sounds alright
2019-04-17 20:36:33	mpickering	if you make a pr to my branch with the changes then I will profile them to check
2019-04-17 20:37:10	fendor_	i am trying to compare it a little bit, wait a minute
2019-04-17 20:37:53	fendor_	against this branch: https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/tree/hie-bios ?
2019-04-17 20:38:00	mpickering	indeed
2019-04-17 20:44:26	fendor_	ok, for me, the changes did nothing
2019-04-17 20:44:45	mpickering	ok that's.. intriging
2019-04-17 20:45:07	mpickering	Your example is not very good as it doesn't contain any nested subexpressions
2019-04-17 20:46:00	fendor_	yeah, that's possible
2019-04-17 20:46:26	fendor_	however, my changes are based of hie/master, your branch is not up to date with master, still pr or should I try to cherry-pick or something like that?
2019-04-17 20:46:32	fendor_	or rebase them for your branch
2019-04-17 20:47:01	mpickering	do a cherry-pick
2019-04-17 20:47:04	mpickering	that should apply quite cleanly
2019-04-17 20:49:39	fendor_	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1
2019-04-17 20:50:34	fendor_	well, it is empirically like 200 mb less memory
2019-04-17 20:51:52	mpickering	building it now
2019-04-17 20:52:01	mpickering	so I'll test it on ghc and see if it is still responsive
2019-04-17 20:52:04	mpickering	then we will know it has worked
2019-04-17 20:52:58	fendor_	haha, very intense
2019-04-17 20:53:19	fendor_	*exciting
2019-04-17 20:53:19	mpickering	GHC is the project that works best with my branch lol
2019-04-17 20:53:33	mpickering	it only has one component :P
2019-04-17 20:53:42	fendor_	i suppose that makes sense since you want hie to run on it :D 
2019-04-17 20:53:51	mpickering	haha.. yes
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2019-04-17 20:55:38	mpickering	ok loading ghc takes 2.6gb of memory
2019-04-17 20:55:41	mpickering	that sounds reasonable
2019-04-17 20:55:43	mpickering	now to hvoer
2019-04-17 20:56:38	fendor_	and when you have 16 gb of ram there is still plenty to spare!
2019-04-17 20:57:01	mpickering	I think it's responsive enough with these changes
2019-04-17 20:57:04	mpickering	definitely uses less memory
2019-04-17 20:58:05	fendor_	that is great!
2019-04-17 20:58:20	fendor_	awesome to hear!
2019-04-17 20:58:39	mpickering	It's a big improvement anyway even if it's not perfect
2019-04-17 20:59:52	fendor_	very cool!
2019-04-17 21:00:08	mpickering	Can you change `GHC.Name` to `GHC.Id` as well?
2019-04-17 21:00:25	mpickering	It still works on my branch with that change
2019-04-17 21:01:13	fendor_	sur
2019-04-17 21:01:14	fendor_	sure
2019-04-17 21:02:53	mpickering	great job fendor
2019-04-17 21:03:33	mpickering	I'm still under 50% memory usage after a whole lot of hovering
2019-04-17 21:03:37	fendor_	well, thanks for all the help
2019-04-17 21:03:48	fendor_	couldnt have done that without you
2019-04-17 21:10:03	mpickering	No, you have been doing amazing work recently so I'm glad to be able to share my knowledge. 
2019-04-17 21:11:00	fendor_	glad to hear that :) felt a bit useless from time to time :D
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2019-04-18 02:22:03	lukelau	alanz fendor fendor_: are we happy to merge https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1167 ?
2019-04-18 02:28:11	@alanz	lukelau, fendor_ I just made a comment, concerned about IdeDeferM becoming IdeM, as brittany needs GHC parsedsource
2019-04-18 02:28:20	@alanz	otherwise LGTM
2019-04-18 02:32:25	fendor	to me it looks fine. Didnt know that brittany needed the parsed source
2019-04-18 02:32:55	fendor	then I can also continue to work on https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1170
2019-04-18 02:33:39	fendor	which can be finished by the end of the week, i think. Excluding reviews, these take longer, but maybe we can make it into the next release
2019-04-18 02:33:53	@alanz	fendor, "it looks fine". Does that mean it is not a problem?
2019-04-18 02:34:22	@alanz	If you guys are happy with it, I will merge. Worst case we tweak it after
2019-04-18 02:34:29	fendor	alanz, it wasnt so far, but I didnt do excessive testing with it...
2019-04-18 02:35:02	fendor	why does brittany need the parsed source? where can I see that?
2019-04-18 02:35:03	lukelau	alanz fendor: looks like I changed that a couple of commits ago,
2019-04-18 02:35:25	@alanz	And as I understand it, leaving it as IdeDeferM will make no other difference to things, apart from only doing it once the underlying file parses
2019-04-18 02:35:43	lukelau	I left a comment on GH, but yeah I’m kind of suspicious now as to how Brittany is doing its thing now
2019-04-18 02:35:45	@alanz	changed it to what? defer?
2019-04-18 02:35:57	lukelau	I changed it from IdeGhcM to IdeDefer
2019-04-18 02:36:02	fendor	we cant execute the IdeDeferM in GhcMonad, or IdeGHC or how it was called
2019-04-18 02:36:05	@alanz	I know brittany uses ghc-exactprint
2019-04-18 02:36:32	@alanz	which needs the parsedsource, so IdeDeferM should be ok. But not IdeM, as it may not do anything, if the timing is out
2019-04-18 02:37:06	lukelau	It wouldn’t have built/gotten past typechecking if it needed to access the module directly
2019-04-18 02:37:17	lukelau	At least thats what the plan was with those types
2019-04-18 02:37:23	@alanz	I understant IdeDeferM to be like IdeM, but only called after the GHC bit has finished?
2019-04-18 02:37:46	lukelau	Yes, if `withCachedModule` is used
2019-04-18 02:37:53	fendor	moreover, IdeGhcM  can not seem to execute IdeDeferM
2019-04-18 02:37:54	lukelau	Otherwise it just acts like `IdeM`
2019-04-18 02:38:15	@alanz	we need to document this stuff, with examples
2019-04-18 02:38:33	fendor	would be glad to do that
2019-04-18 02:38:41	@alanz	Otherwise the thing starts to lose coherence, and people lose track of *why* certain things are done a certain way
2019-04-18 02:39:15	@alanz	and you end up with weird race condition bugs creeping back in
2019-04-18 02:39:22	@alanz	possibly
2019-04-18 02:39:22	fendor	it is already hard to understand the reasoning behind certain decisions. 
2019-04-18 02:39:34	lukelau	Agreed, I still get confused by the current hierarchy
2019-04-18 02:39:48	fendor	As I said, in the beginning of the next week I could start trying to document the monads, with your help of course
2019-04-18 02:40:13	lukelau	There’s a small paragraph at the bottom here: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/docs/Architecture.md#deferred-requests
2019-04-18 02:40:19	lukelau	We should probably expand on this
2019-04-18 02:40:30	fendor	i think it is a good idea if i do that, since i have te least amount of experience and will ask the most questions
2019-04-18 02:40:54	lukelau	That sounds good
2019-04-18 02:41:27	lukelau	Also, I remember Gurkenglas wanted to tidy those monads up a bit as well, and move stuff like IdeResult into it in a form of ExceptT
2019-04-18 02:42:42	mpickering	fendor: you should make a or with your type map changes as well
2019-04-18 02:42:51	mpickering	So they can go into the next release
2019-04-18 02:43:20	@alanz	the strobe runs around 1/2 May, for whatever is ready then
2019-04-18 02:43:30	@alanz	so still 2 weeks
2019-04-18 02:44:39	fendor	nice
2019-04-18 02:44:44	mpickering	I admit I have a lot of improvements on my branch which I have not upstreamed but they are quite difficult to extract cleanly. The type map change is quite clean though
2019-04-18 02:45:51	fendor	mpickering, will do that tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. I will try to add more documentation first.
2019-04-18 02:46:25	mpickering	You might need to add a few more cases as well
2019-04-18 02:46:45	@alanz	mpickering, I reckon your branch is going to putter along for most of the summer, before finally landing
2019-04-18 02:47:24	fendor	for what exactly?
2019-04-18 02:47:50	mpickering	There was a recent bug in ghc where hovering over a deriving clause showed you a type
2019-04-18 02:47:58	@alanz	lukelau, bumping haskell-lsp to 0.9.0.0 means I need to update lsp-test too. Which makes sense, I guess, needs to be tightly coupled. Knock-on effects
2019-04-18 02:47:58	fendor	that's interesting
2019-04-18 02:48:30	lukelau	alanz: I can upload a release tonight then
2019-04-18 02:48:35	mpickering	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/issues/16575#note_193974
2019-04-18 02:49:09	@alanz	lukelau, I am still tweaking my side, but I think it is good to go, added some more Monoid instances to simplify things
2019-04-18 02:49:42	@alanz	Will push shortly, but it does not build with some GHCs, need to mess with the Semigroup version stuff
2019-04-18 02:50:14	@alanz	so not going to make a release quite yet. Will probably happen tomorrow only. No great rush on this stuff, just working it through
2019-04-18 02:51:48	@alanz	mpickering, I actually came across that bug today, in working on haskell-lsp-types
2019-04-18 02:52:11	@alanz	its a pretty weird experience to see hover info for generated stuff showing up
2019-04-18 02:54:24	mpickering	Ha, that's the problem with these syb traversals
2019-04-18 02:54:59	@alanz	they traverse *everything*
2019-04-18 02:55:54	mpickering	I was thinking about adding support in the config file for specifying all the components for a project
2019-04-18 02:56:09	mpickering	But didn't know whether I should wait for Daniel to do it
2019-04-18 02:56:43	mpickering	I'm still not really sure though about a good way to deal with overlapping components 
2019-04-18 02:57:04	mpickering	Perhaps it doesn't actually matter that much
2019-04-18 02:57:41	@alanz	There is some work around that in cabal-helper, at the very least to list the components and the module graph for each
2019-04-18 02:58:01	mpickering	So I was also thinking about this a bit
2019-04-18 02:58:20	@alanz	And it is one of those things that seems simple, until you have this weird stuff where different components have different flags, or different default pragmas, etc
2019-04-18 02:58:42	mpickering	And was thinking that each component type should either specify the modules or act in discovery mode where ghc works it out
2019-04-18 02:58:51	@alanz	I actually think the *only* place a pragma should be specified is in the actual source file. Makes it clear what is happening
2019-04-18 02:59:03	mpickering	We both agree there
2019-04-18 02:59:32	mpickering	I was also thinking more about reusing the hi files between editor sessions
2019-04-18 02:59:49	mpickering	I think that should be safe to do if the cradle is unchanged? 
2019-04-18 02:59:50	@alanz	The cabal file, and cabal project files, and stack config files already specify components
2019-04-18 03:00:03	@alanz	introducing another place for modules seems like overkill
2019-04-18 03:00:25	mpickering	cabal is good because the repl target lists all modules explicitly
2019-04-18 03:00:34	@alanz	mpickering, best to ask dxld, he has the most background on the ticklish things
2019-04-18 03:00:39	mpickering	But other build systems just specify the top component 
2019-04-18 03:01:14	mpickering	Like Ghc for instance so you have to call depanal and get the module graph
2019-04-18 03:01:17	@alanz	yes, but there is an expectation if you say open a test source file that you will get the diagnostics for it
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2019-04-18 03:01:49	@alanz	and if it is using the main stuff as a lib, you should be able to edit in the lib source and have the test side see the changes
2019-04-18 03:02:01	@alanz	which goes against the build methodology, I guess.
2019-04-18 03:02:49	@alanz	mpickering, I think cabal-helper does call depanal, and saves the module graph. Or it uses what cabal generates when configuring, which comes to the same thing, I think
2019-04-18 03:03:14	mpickering	But you have to load tests and lib into different components yes? 
2019-04-18 03:03:18	@alanz	The main thing is to actualy have a set of module graphs, based on the currently configured project
2019-04-18 03:03:26	mpickering	As their configuration might be different
2019-04-18 03:04:01	mpickering	So you somehow need to know to restart a component if another local one changes
2019-04-18 03:04:06	@alanz	yes, test and lib visibilty is something you need to configure. I typically use -fdev to include the lib source directory in the test search directly list, and not use the lib
2019-04-18 03:04:20	mpickering	Ok
2019-04-18 03:04:43	mpickering	So if people configure one mega component then that will work fine :p
2019-04-18 03:04:44	@alanz	but early/current ghc-mod/cabal-helper actually notices that they are local, and collapses them into a single module graph
2019-04-18 03:05:05	mpickering	This sounds overly complicated.. 
2019-04-18 03:05:09	@alanz	which works fine, until it doesn't, which happens when each component has different config
2019-04-18 03:05:23	@alanz	GHC flags, default pragmas, etc
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2019-04-18 03:05:31	mpickering	If you use something like ghcid then you have to configure when the restarts happen
2019-04-18 03:05:45	mpickering	And specify a mega component if you like 
2019-04-18 03:05:47	@alanz	yes, it is not limited to us
2019-04-18 03:05:53	mpickering	But nothing magic happens 
2019-04-18 03:06:09	@alanz	I think we should probably bring this sort of thing up as part of the cabal spec discussion
2019-04-18 03:06:19	mpickering	I don't want it to be our fault when users have brittle configs
2019-04-18 03:06:27	@alanz	limit the kinds of things that cabal can do, to simplify tooling
2019-04-18 03:06:43	@alanz	exactly, People expect this sort of stuff to be bullet-proff
2019-04-18 03:07:13	@alanz	and when you make it like that, it completely disappears, they do not even realise what complicated stuff is happening under the hood
2019-04-18 03:07:13	mpickering	So everything should be configurable and if your project is complicated then expect to configure it
2019-04-18 03:07:31	@alanz	yes
2019-04-18 03:08:02	@alanz	but I would claim that tooling-specific config should be the exception, and only to deal with complex cases like we are discussing now
2019-04-18 03:08:20	@alanz	for the bulk of the "normal" cases it should just work, out of the box
2019-04-18 03:08:55	@alanz	Anyway, time for me to hit the hay
2019-04-18 03:09:02	mpickering	I agree up to a point. But deciding whether to use cabal or stack automatically is impossible to do
2019-04-18 03:09:09	mpickering	Good night
2019-04-18 03:09:18	@alanz	that is a big switch change, which is simple
2019-04-18 03:09:28	@alanz	I mean the detailed stuff like you are hinting at
2019-04-18 03:09:55	@alanz	I want to be able to say, using hie as an example, which stack file, or cabal together with which ghc version.
2019-04-18 03:10:05	@alanz	But only that, not a lot of other fiddly stuff too.
2019-04-18 03:10:11	mpickering	Right 
2019-04-18 03:10:11	@alanz	Anyway, im off
2019-04-18 03:10:19	mpickering	Me too, gnight
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2019-04-18 12:31:26	teto	just curious if there is any trick to see .chs diagnostics (for FFI files) ? hie won't display any so I have to run cabal outside
2019-04-18 12:49:05	mpickering	teto: No, the support for chs files comes from cabal and not ghc 
2019-04-18 12:49:15	mpickering	same with alex and happy files
2019-04-18 12:50:15	teto	yep makes sense thanks
2019-04-18 12:50:37	teto	hie directly invokes ghc, I do not need cabal to make it work them ?
2019-04-18 12:51:14	mpickering	well.. at the moment you do actually need cabal 
2019-04-18 12:51:29	mpickering	but work is underway to decouple that 
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2019-04-18 13:01:23	mpickering	It seems plausible to get hie working better with chs files but realistically it will take someone who wants that feature to implement it
2019-04-18 13:01:33	mpickering	there are far more high priority things which need fixing
2019-04-18 13:10:53	teto	mpickering: yeah sure it's not a problem
2019-04-18 13:35:00	mpickering	teto: Seems like a popular feature within the last few days anyway https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1178
2019-04-18 13:39:27	teto	mpickering: it's a one shot problem, once the FFI is fixed, the problem disappears. So for me it's low priority
2019-04-18 13:43:36	mpickering	does ghcid work with chs files?>
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2019-04-18 14:18:27	teto	no idea, don't use it even if it's planned. I believe hie and ghcid are the 2 only working solutions for modern haskell
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2019-04-18 16:34:18	mpickering	Only two more places on my branch where any ghc-mod dependency is used
2019-04-18 16:35:28	mpickering	+ HaRe which I am leaving for Alan to deal with
2019-04-18 16:52:28	@alanz	mpickering, hopefully I will get some time this (long) weekend
2019-04-18 16:59:29	@alanz	btw, stack 2.0 is no in alpha, available via "git upgrade --git"
2019-04-18 16:59:41	@alanz	I mean "stack upgrade --git"
2019-04-18 16:59:51	mpickering	what is the difference from stack 1?
2019-04-18 17:00:03	mpickering	probably that they remove the feature I rely on :)
2019-04-18 17:00:34	@alanz	the biggest one is bringing in pantry, as I understand it. Which is sort of like the cabal overlay concept
2019-04-18 17:00:55	@alanz	I have not been watching features, just saw it on twitter yesterday
2019-04-18 17:01:40	@alanz	https://docs.haskellstack.org/en/latest/pantry/
2019-04-18 17:03:23	mpickering	seems to me stack is all about recreating things that nix does already in a worse way
2019-04-18 17:04:02	@alanz	hie is about supporting build/package managers in use
2019-04-18 17:04:26	@alanz	not about getting involved in debates about them. For me, anyway
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2019-04-18 17:28:56	mpickering	ok my branch has removed all the dependencies apart from HaRe now
2019-04-18 17:29:19	@alanz	ok
2019-04-18 17:31:40	mpickering	turns out there was nothing really major
2019-04-18 17:31:48	mpickering	the most significant thing was the type map which fendor did yesterday
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2019-04-18 18:10:36	wz1000	this seems neat: https://hsyl20.fr/home/posts/2019-04-17-ghc-hacking-with-stack.html
2019-04-18 18:17:51	mpickering	it seems that users are expected to build GHC themselves though
2019-04-18 18:18:07	mpickering	do you know how it makes sure you have the right system dependencies installed and so on?
2019-04-18 18:18:11	mpickering	or if you can use a bindist?
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2019-04-18 21:38:35	wz1000	I don't think stack tries to manage system dependencies
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2019-04-19 08:50:32	teto	> seems to me stack is all about recreating things that nix does already in a worse way
2019-04-19 08:50:45	teto	echoes my feelings about much software since discovering nix :D
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2019-04-19 12:52:43	mpickering	https://cah6.github.io/technology/nix-haskell-2/
2019-04-19 12:52:57	mpickering	HIE consistently looks promising but can be a frustrating end user experience. While it has wide adoption and looks to be the converging point for a lot of other tools, I’ve had lots of issues getting it fully working. I would get through cache issues, installing the version corresponding to my GHC version, linking that to my project, whatever other errors sprang up, and it might work in some way for some time
2019-04-19 12:52:57	mpickering	but would eventually hit something else. Note that this evaluation was around 6 months ago; it could be better now but it doesn’t really matter to me because…
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2019-04-19 18:10:45	lukelau	alanz: I’m not at my computer now, just merged that lsp-test PR on my phone and bumped the version, feel free to do an upload to hackage!
2019-04-19 18:11:02	@alanz	ok, thanks, will do
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2019-04-19 19:34:48	infinisil	mpickering: In the reddit thread I mentioned a small project I've been working on to provide Nix builds for all GHC versions (like hie-nix but more versions). Once that's done, the problem of installing the correct version should at least be solved on Nix 
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2019-04-19 22:23:45	jophish	Hi all
2019-04-19 22:24:01	jophish	Thanks for all the hard work, hie is great!
2019-04-19 22:28:39	fendor	great to hear that :)
2019-04-19 22:29:11	jophish	fendor: I'm very much looking forward to the hsimport stuff you've been working on
2019-04-19 22:29:31	fendor	working at right now, although I have closed the issue somehow
2019-04-19 22:36:05	jophish	Cool, let me know when it's ready to test
2019-04-19 22:36:13	jophish	although I am currently struggling around https://github.com/DanielG/ghc-mod/issues/950
2019-04-19 22:38:08	fendor	hopefully this one can be resolved when hie-bios has been merged.
2019-04-19 23:14:21	@alanz	so, if an appveyor build fails for a transient external error (DNS failure), how can we kick it to restart? Or should I just merge https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1181
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2019-04-19 23:31:23	fendor	imo, merging is alright.
2019-04-19 23:42:51	@alanz	I just did
2019-04-19 23:42:56	@alanz	thanks
2019-04-19 23:45:48	fendor	i saw it :) 
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2019-04-20 14:50:29	teto	what would be a good example to test the 'hover' functionality ? I have no popup whatsoever, no error in the logs, the hover request seems to be processed correctly. Ideally I woud just like to see the declaration of my project data structures 
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2019-04-20 15:16:52	fenedor	teto, what is your editor?
2019-04-20 15:23:46	fenedor	in vscode you can see whether the symbols have been loaded. Do other features work, such as compile-time errors?
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2019-04-20 16:16:22	@alanz	teto, haskell-ide-engine itself. And vscode
2019-04-20 16:16:43	teto	I am using neovim and LanguageClient, will try to run check against vscode
2019-04-20 16:17:07	teto	everything looks fine, I get diagnostics, just for hover nothing happens (I am not sure what should appear either)
2019-04-20 16:17:34	@alanz	If you hover the cursor over a variable or so, you should see its signature
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2019-04-20 16:18:57	@alanz	teto, e.g. https://camo.githubusercontent.com/61086adf657ed1e8cb4e23dc4c8ad2993535261f/68747470733a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f41637659524f762e676966
2019-04-20 16:19:04	@alanz	(from the README page)
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2019-04-20 18:49:25	teto	If I run some unsupported request like go to declaration, vscode keeps loading some code (blue thin line on top keeps moving ) and hie features  stops working with popups displaying "Loading". How can I stop that blue progress bar ?
2019-04-20 18:58:11	@alanz	teto, can you give an example of a code base that has the problem, with steps to reproduce?
2019-04-20 19:07:26	teto	alanz: I believe the program works as expected as I get diagnostics from both neovim/vscode. In vscode I've seen one popup (so the hover thing) then there is the progress bar
2019-04-20 19:07:41	@alanz	ok
2019-04-20 19:07:44	teto	my code is available at https://github.com/teto/netlink_pm/tree/v5/hs but I don't think it's worth your time.
2019-04-20 19:08:17	@alanz	ok. hie does do a stack build, so if it is a first time it may take a while
2019-04-20 19:08:54	teto	alanz: I don't think it runs a stack build, my program is cabal based ? and on nix I don't have stack
2019-04-20 19:09:25	@alanz	you can look in the Output pane at the bottom, but select the HIE output in the right hand side dropdown
2019-04-20 19:09:47	@alanz	well, the output is there, and should tell you what is happening
2019-04-20 19:10:02	teto	output panel is always empty
2019-04-20 19:10:40	@alanz	did you select "Haskell HIE (haskell-ide-engine)" on the dropdown on the right of that panel?
2019-04-20 19:10:48	teto	ther eis just a hlint error in "Problems"
2019-04-20 19:11:34	teto	oh I see
2019-04-20 19:11:54	teto	Using hie version: Version 0.8.0.0 x86_64 ghc-8.6.4
2019-04-20 19:11:56	teto	Using hoogle db at: /nix/store/8y35gzb4zj0b7s3klh8jzdh40h7lbsgk-ghc-8.6.4-with-packages/lib/ghc-8.6.4/../../share/doc/hoogle/index.html
2019-04-20 19:11:58	teto	hie: The Hoogle file /nix/store/8y35gzb4zj0b7s3klh8jzdh40h7lbsgk-ghc-8.6.4-with-packages/lib/ghc-8.6.4/../../share/doc/hoogle/index.html is the wrong version or format.
2019-04-20 19:12:00	teto	Expected: HOOGLE-5.0.17
2019-04-20 19:12:02	teto	Got     : ??DOCTYPE html PUBLIC ?-?
2019-04-20 19:12:04	teto	CallStack (from HasCallStack):
2019-04-20 19:12:06	teto	  error, called at src/General/Store.hs:179:13 in hoogle-5.0.17.6-F73da5ABuaas1YACEWXQ2:General.Store
2019-04-20 19:12:08	teto	CallStack (from HasCallStack):
2019-04-20 19:12:10	teto	  error, called at src/General/Util.hs:278:66 in hoogle-5.0.17.6-F73da5ABuaas1YACEWXQ2:General.Util
2019-04-20 19:12:20	@alanz	ok, that is some kind of nix problem
2019-04-20 19:12:20	teto	I think that's what causes the infinite loading bar
2019-04-20 19:12:42	teto	does that mean hie crashed ?
2019-04-20 19:12:47	@alanz	Are you using current master? A patch landed today to deal with hoogle errors gracefully
2019-04-20 19:12:55	@alanz	I think it does mean HIE crached
2019-04-20 19:13:02	teto	nope I am using the version from hie-nix
2019-04-20 19:13:49	@alanz	ok, you need to update it to use current master then, somehow. The main commit for you is https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/commit/47b5281d9d8ffe7348f7f7fcb3ce36b4eabd4f06
2019-04-20 19:14:06	teto	can I solve the issue while keeping hie-nix ? recompiling hie takes space & time. The hoogle used should be from the same ghc as hie so I am surprised by the error
2019-04-20 19:16:46	@alanz	I don't know how to do that. Perhaps generate the hoogle db with that version? Or there is now an environment variable to select the hoogle db to use, point it at something that works
2019-04-20 19:17:20	@alanz	"Or you can set the environment variable HIE_HOOGLE_DATABASE to specify a specific database."
2019-04-20 19:17:29	@alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#docs-on-hovercompletion
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2019-04-20 22:25:15	jophish	fendor: Hi, you said yesterday that the hie-bios feature could solve my problem, am I correct in thinking that hie-bios is to replace some or all of what ghc-mod is currently used for?
2019-04-20 22:26:08	fendor	afaik, i replaces some part of ghc-mod and offers an interface that different build-tools can implement
2019-04-20 22:32:18	@alanz	I am in the process of converting HaRe to use the hie-bios, first letting it use IdeGhcM only, and then next step to use mpickering's hie-bios branch
2019-04-20 22:32:48	@alanz	But I think it may be a while before it is stable enough for general use
2019-04-20 22:35:57	jophish	so will this enable sharing of the GHC session between several tools?
2019-04-20 22:55:17	@alanz	yes, that is the idea
2019-04-20 22:55:50	@alanz	and it already happens that way in hie, but HaRe was not making use of the module cache
2019-04-20 22:56:24	@alanz	and for the proposed GSOC by dxld, we will be able to manage multiple GHC sessions, per component in the cabal file
2019-04-20 23:06:47	fendor	alanz, did someone take on the proposed gsoc project?
2019-04-20 23:07:01	@alanz	which one?
2019-04-20 23:07:34	fendor	abaout managing multiple ghc sessions
2019-04-20 23:08:20	@alanz	hmm, just realised I am not in a position to talk about this. I think.
2019-04-20 23:08:53	fendor	oh sorr
2019-04-20 23:08:58	fendor	i was just curious
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2019-04-21 17:22:46	teto	@alanz using hie master, my "hoogle" error disappeared. That plus LanguageClient-neovim floating windows to display the hover info is dope
2019-04-21 17:23:12	@alanz	great to hear
2019-04-21 17:23:31	@alanz	The hover info is now presented as proper MarkDown, so should be better. 
2019-04-21 17:30:37	teto	oh great I use the TUI so it's not being taken advantage yet but https://github.com/vhakulinen/gnvim renders markdown. YOou just killed my will to work and now I ,ight package gnvim instead
2019-04-21 17:30:53	teto	I guess that's ok since hie increased my productivity so much :p
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2019-04-21 20:56:33	@alanz	lukelau, it seems the module Haskell.Ide.Engine.ModuleCacheTypes has been created, but is not being used. And duplicated existing types
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2019-04-21 21:36:46	fendor	what's the opinion in haskell about paramterized test-cases?
2019-04-21 21:37:03	fendor	first time I am seriously thinking about that
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2019-04-21 21:40:23	@alanz	fendor, what do you mean?
2019-04-21 21:40:50	@alanz	For me the most important thing about a test is that it should be clear to read, as it is the primary documentation on how things work
2019-04-21 21:43:53	fendor_	i mean like a test function that can be used to define multiple tests. In some languages, this is frowned upon or at least not really supported.
2019-04-21 21:44:03	fendor_	in haskell, this can be done naively and simple
2019-04-21 21:44:35	@alanz	refactoring tests is fine, imo, so long as it is still clear what is being tested
2019-04-21 21:44:51	fendor_	for the formatters, it could make sense to define a test suite function, such that we can use it for any formatter.
2019-04-21 21:45:15	fendor_	however, it is really complicated since the expected ormatting output is probably hard to inject into this function
2019-04-21 21:47:09	@alanz	well, maybe put the expected stuff in a file that you read? or some kind of constant, where it is a set of strings you join up with lines (or unlines?)
2019-04-21 21:48:41	fendor_	yeah, that could be done, question is, is that better or worse than before?
2019-04-21 21:50:37	fendor_	reading from a file makes it probably hard to keep an oversight
2019-04-21 21:52:30	@alanz	I think a constant in the code is better
2019-04-21 21:52:46	@alanz	and an array of strings can work quite well, be pretty readable
2019-04-21 21:52:55	@alanz	expected =
2019-04-21 21:53:01	@alanz	    [ "blah blah"
2019-04-21 21:53:09	@alanz	     , "foo bar"
2019-04-21 21:53:11	@alanz	   ]
2019-04-21 21:53:21	@alanz	except you call unlines on it
2019-04-21 21:53:30	fendor_	alright, then I am gonna try that.
2019-04-21 21:53:53	fendor_	the existing Test File is alright? No need to create a new file.
2019-04-21 21:54:49	@alanz	that is fine
2019-04-21 21:54:54	@alanz	it will be a PR, after all
2019-04-21 21:56:13	fendor_	right.
2019-04-21 22:34:28	fendor_	ok, did it. Now the tests should fail because brittany introduces a newline too much.
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2019-04-22 01:27:10	lukelau	alanz: I have no recollection of adding that module
2019-04-22 01:27:16	lukelau	But the blame points to me
2019-04-22 01:27:30	@alanz	yes, I saw that :)
2019-04-22 01:27:36	lukelau	What was I smoking
2019-04-22 01:27:42	@alanz	it sort of makes sense to have it
2019-04-22 01:27:59	@alanz	I suspect it was the victim of a merge/rebase episode
2019-04-22 01:28:16	@alanz	which pulled in a part-done thing
2019-04-22 01:28:44	lukelau	I’ll remove it now?
2019-04-22 01:30:03	lukelau	I’m also thinking about what the API should look like for window/progress notifications in haskell-lsp
2019-04-22 01:31:06	lukelau	It would be nice to have maybe a CPR style function, withProgress :: ((Double -> IO ()) -> IO a) -> IO a
2019-04-22 01:31:34	@alanz	what is the Double?
2019-04-22 01:31:39	@alanz	a percentage?
2019-04-22 01:31:43	lukelau	that could be used like `withProgress $ \update -> do doSomething; update 50; doSomething; update 90`
2019-04-22 01:31:44	lukelau	Yeah
2019-04-22 01:31:56	@alanz	maybe we should use a newtype for that?
2019-04-22 01:32:05	lukelau	Yes
2019-04-22 01:32:16	lukelau	Not sure if that would work in HIE though since presumably the plugins need control over the progress
2019-04-22 01:32:38	lukelau	Not the reactor
2019-04-22 01:32:51	@alanz	And I don't have much experience with progress reporting. I know it can be pretty useless if not done properly
2019-04-22 01:33:17	@alanz	the early windows download progress reporters were renowned for how bad they were
2019-04-22 01:33:53	@alanz	perhaps we should have some kind of "register progress, report against the registered thing"
2019-04-22 01:33:55	lukelau	are there any examples of good APIs for this?
2019-04-22 01:34:08	@alanz	which is another way of doing your withProgress thing
2019-04-22 01:34:25	@alanz	I think you can look in stack, shake, git-annex
2019-04-22 01:34:31	lukelau	I was thinking the CPR style might help with that, since there’s an ID associated with each window/progress session
2019-04-22 01:34:41	@alanz	I think joeyh may have made a specific progress reporting thing
2019-04-22 01:35:04	mpickering	One thing to show progress for is the module loading which can take a bit of time
2019-04-22 01:35:13	mpickering	I'm not sure why they insisted on having a number there
2019-04-22 01:35:30	mpickering	Perhaps there is another way to show a notification in the status bar I missed?
2019-04-22 01:35:31	@alanz	mpickering, how do you measure "progress" for that?
2019-04-22 01:35:38	mpickering	1/150
2019-04-22 01:35:50	lukelau	The progress is also entirely optional
2019-04-22 01:35:51	mpickering	When you start a session for GHC it loads 500 modules
2019-04-22 01:35:56	@alanz	basically a "busy" indicator will be useful, without a number
2019-04-22 01:36:17	@alanz	just showing that a long-running task is currently active
2019-04-22 01:36:38	@alanz	i.e. put in a message, worry about the number later
2019-04-22 01:37:02	mpickering	lukelau: I would say just implement something simple and then improve it later based on experience
2019-04-22 01:37:06	@alanz	mpickering, I am getting close to having HaRe depending on the HIE plugin api only
2019-04-22 01:37:11	mpickering	no point making it too complicated 
2019-04-22 01:37:14	@alanz	mpickering, agree
2019-04-22 01:37:18	mpickering	alanz: awesome, was it much work
2019-04-22 01:38:01	@alanz	mpickering, a fair bit, but it needed doing
2019-04-22 01:38:44	@alanz	and I am basically trying to narrow down the part of the HIE API I use, and disconnect it from ghc-mod specificially
2019-04-22 01:39:40	@alanz	https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/tree/hie-plugin-api and https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/hare-hie-plugin-api
2019-04-22 01:41:59	@alanz	mpickering, I am planning on stabilising it, then merging it as is to hie master (via a PR)
2019-04-22 01:42:13	@alanz	and then tackling how it integrates with hie-bios
2019-04-22 01:42:37	mpickering	I think there will be some horrible merge conflicts if we're not careful
2019-04-22 01:42:40	@alanz	but my branch basically just introduces a new pair of modules to expose existing hie functionalist
2019-04-22 01:42:59	@alanz	so it should be straightforward
2019-04-22 01:43:12	mpickering	did you commit Haskell.Ide.Engine.Ghc ?
2019-04-22 01:43:20	@alanz	most complex thing is moving the module loading into his-plugin-api where it belongs
2019-04-22 01:43:25	@alanz	yes, that is what it has
2019-04-22 01:43:45	mpickering	I can't see the module in the commit
2019-04-22 01:43:45	@alanz	did you have a different use for that module name in mind? it can change if needed
2019-04-22 01:43:57	mpickering	Not but I wasnted to see what was in it
2019-04-22 01:44:04	@alanz	oops, will add it
2019-04-22 01:44:47	@alanz	just pushed it. Sorry
2019-04-22 01:46:00	@alanz	note: it is not hygienic at this point, expects modules in adjacent checkouts, rather than as submodules
2019-04-22 01:46:06	@alanz	to make things faster for dev
2019-04-22 01:46:26	@alanz	(which only affects HaRe)
2019-04-22 01:46:43	@alanz	and only focusing on GHC 8.6.4
2019-04-22 01:48:16	mpickering	so HaRe calls setTypecheckedModule?
2019-04-22 01:48:37	@alanz	yes, to trigger loading the modulecach
2019-04-22 01:48:38	@alanz	e
2019-04-22 01:48:45	@alanz	which it then accesses
2019-04-22 01:49:06	@alanz	and it also requests the modulegraph, which needs to be managed somehow
2019-04-22 01:49:32	@alanz	I still need to harmonise the HaRe and Hie module storage
2019-04-22 01:49:50	@alanz	doing it the brute-force way, loading the HaRe one from the cached hie one
2019-04-22 01:50:04	mpickering	Why does it not just called `getModuleGraph`?
2019-04-22 01:50:22	@alanz	I haven't looked at the module graph stuff yet
2019-04-22 01:50:44	mpickering	Could HaRe operate only in `Ghc`?
2019-04-22 01:50:45	@alanz	but hare cares about the module graph for all the components in the cabal file, not just the "current" one
2019-04-22 01:51:12	@alanz	My initial thought was to do that, but I want to share access to the module cache
2019-04-22 01:51:15	mpickering	Then there needs to be a function added to the HIE API which extracts the module graph from the cached components
2019-04-22 01:51:30	@alanz	agree
2019-04-22 01:51:58	@alanz	I have not got to that yet though. Only just got the module loading working, using IdeGhcM
2019-04-22 01:52:16	@alanz	and slowly thinning out the API
2019-04-22 01:52:31	mpickering	If it operates only in `Ghc` then it is "purer" 
2019-04-22 01:52:44	mpickering	tbh I have no idea how it operates but is there any need even for `Ghc`?
2019-04-22 01:52:54	mpickering	I imagine a large part of HaRe used to be about managing and loading sessions
2019-04-22 01:53:07	@alanz	I agree. And the last time we discussed this I proposed using GhcT, and you suggested IdeGhcM instead :)
2019-04-22 01:53:29	mpickering	If you can extract just the syntax manipulations then you can pass in all the required components so it operates in a pure manner perhaps
2019-04-22 01:53:30	mpickering	:)
2019-04-22 01:53:40	mpickering	So I'm right whatever happens now I have suggested all 3 possibilities
2019-04-22 01:53:42	mpickering	perfect
2019-04-22 01:53:51	@alanz	yes, it needs to be separated into a pure part and the rest
2019-04-22 01:54:31	@alanz	but HaRe is a bit of a mess at the moment, its my first major piece of code, and it is a port of some really old other stuff
2019-04-22 01:54:57	@alanz	I keep telling myself I need to rationalise it
2019-04-22 01:55:21	@alanz	to fundamentally use the ghc-mod TransformT (or whatever it is).
2019-04-22 01:56:25	@alanz	and part of me says I should abandon it in favour of the work nboldi has done, at least he is still active on it
2019-04-22 02:05:43	mpickering	I think integrating anything is going to be a bit of effort 
2019-04-22 02:06:18	@alanz	I know. Anyway, I am working on a plan, which is coming together. 
2019-04-22 02:06:35	@alanz	Which should get the hie-bios integrated, in the fullness of time
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2019-04-22 10:11:55	jophish	mpickering: Thanks for all the hard work on hie-bios!
2019-04-22 10:12:46	jophish	I gave your branch a spin today, but couldn't get much to work, is it in a state where I should raise an issue on what's not working, or should I revisit this in a couple of weeks?
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2019-04-22 12:22:06	mpickering	Jophish what did you try? 
2019-04-22 12:24:09	mpickering	It's possible the branch doesn't currently work as I have been pushing without testing in vscode 
2019-04-22 12:35:05	jophish	mpickering: A simple cabal project: https://gist.github.com/8c99ac4a56eaf395525324ac1194de09
2019-04-22 12:35:16	jophish	I'm using nvim, it works well with hie otherwise
2019-04-22 12:35:33	jophish	I haven't done a huge amount of troubleshooting, aside from adding that hie.dhall file
2019-04-22 12:36:33	jophish	I am able to run some biosc commands in that directory
2019-04-22 12:37:04	jophish	but some functionality seems to be broken in vim, for example hovering
2019-04-22 12:51:33	mpickering	I have no idea how hie works or is supposed to work with vim
2019-04-22 12:51:58	mpickering	That should work though 
2019-04-22 12:52:09	mpickering	If you paste the logs I can see what is happening
2019-04-22 12:52:30	mpickering	Otherwise try using the commit which is pinned on my hie-nix branch
2019-04-22 12:52:51	mpickering	That is cached with cachix as well
2019-04-22 12:54:22	mpickering	You should bear in mind as well that some functionality is not working yet such as anything to do with refactoring 
2019-04-22 12:55:32	mpickering	jophish ^
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2019-04-22 12:57:48	mpickering	It should output a lot of stuff to stderr
2019-04-22 12:58:01	mpickering	Perhaps that confuses the nvim client
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2019-04-22 13:10:27	teto	not related to hie, but now that hover works, I see some haddock doc, for datastructure for instance . I see only the types used in the constructor, I would also like to see the names of each parameter. Is there a haddock setting to do that ? should I write the odc manually
2019-04-22 13:11:24	teto	jophish: did the hovering works with normal hie ? I just fixed hovering yesterday by using hie master
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2019-04-22 13:18:51	jophish	teto: yeah, I've never had hovering not working when not everything was broken
2019-04-22 13:19:40	jophish	err, sorry for all the negatives
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2019-04-22 13:20:15	jophish	just rebuilding hie, will get a log once that's done
2019-04-22 13:20:23	teto	jophish: are you using nix ? I used to have it working until it made hie crash in v0.8 (might be a bad nix/hie interaction)
2019-04-22 13:20:52	teto	jophish: I have master compiled in cachix if need be
2019-04-22 13:22:16	jophish	I am using nix, it's generally worked very well with hie (aside from the initial dependency pain)
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2019-04-22 14:02:05	jophish	mpickering: this is hie's logfile, I suppose there's more info on hie's stderr
2019-04-22 14:02:08	jophish	https://gist.github.com/fe500d9a77f567b19104f73c2b80ddbf
2019-04-22 14:17:22	teto	jophish: do you use LanguageClient-neovim ? if yes, you have 3 files to look at: stdout/stderr/haskell log 
2019-04-22 14:18:26	jophish	This is the stderr from hie: https://gist.github.com/1468a991c34e2f4789197450fed86057
2019-04-22 14:18:38	jophish	teto: I do, I'll dump stdout too
2019-04-22 14:19:58	teto	jophish: off topic : have you tried the floating window for hover ? it's dope
2019-04-22 14:20:26	teto	I mean when hover worked ^^''
2019-04-22 14:21:24	jophish	teto: yeah, it's super nice
2019-04-22 14:21:48	jophish	I saw some fake transparency thing go by on the issue tracker too, not tried that yet
2019-04-22 14:22:00	jophish	might be a bit of a gimmick though
2019-04-22 14:22:22	teto	jophish: yes pumblend. I have been trying to compile gnvim since it renders markdown in the floating window
2019-04-22 14:22:40	jophish	looks like I'm hitting this: https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/94eaa52010aaaed1a3e6cfcf638e20690f33eb36/hie-bios/src/HIE/Bios/Cradle.hs#L133
2019-04-22 14:23:38	jophish	teto: are any of the neovim guis any good, I tried a few of them shortly after neovim kicked off but they were all a bit pants then
2019-04-22 14:25:32	teto	jophish: none feels polished enough yet (apart from neovim-qt maybe but then it does't provide much compared to TUI) but some do a pretty good job showing neovim capabilites : oni, veonim, gonvim
2019-04-22 14:26:47	mpickering	jophish: does it work if the initial load has no errors? 
2019-04-22 14:27:59	jophish	mpickering: similar error : https://gist.github.com/4a7474269398fac8f6d37180592cbfe2
2019-04-22 14:28:48	jophish	mpickering: oh, this wrapper file
2019-04-22 14:28:58	jophish	https://gist.github.com/822f69094a0f304d79a17a1450066f4e
2019-04-22 14:29:06	jophish	I bet that this is because I'm using zsh, not bash
2019-04-22 14:29:59	jophish	oh, perhaps not
2019-04-22 14:32:56	jophish	looks like an error in the interpreter thoguh
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2019-04-22 14:37:22	jophish	conveniently, hie doesn't clean up these wrapper files :)
2019-04-22 14:37:23	mpickering	jophish: hmm indeed 
2019-04-22 14:37:40	mpickering	Haha no, that's because then it's easier to debug 
2019-04-22 14:37:56	mpickering	(for now) 
2019-04-22 14:38:11	mpickering	Do you have an idea how to make it more portable? 
2019-04-22 14:38:13	jophish	you're also traceMint it :)
2019-04-22 14:38:20	jophish	mpickering: put a shebang at the top
2019-04-22 14:38:27	jophish	something like: #!/usr/bin/env bash
2019-04-22 14:38:49	jophish	I'
2019-04-22 14:38:57	mpickering	Ah did I not even do that
2019-04-22 14:39:04	jophish	I'm not certain it's the issue, but it's good practice anyway
2019-04-22 14:39:08	jophish	I'll test now
2019-04-22 14:40:12	jophish	and shouldn't the call to ghc have "$@" instead of just $@
2019-04-22 14:40:22	jophish	bash scripting isn't really my thing, so I don't know
2019-04-22 14:41:04	mpickering	Neither do I. It would be easier if cabal exposed a target to get this info 
2019-04-22 14:42:05	jophish	and now stupid nix is recompiling everything :(
2019-04-22 14:47:23	mpickering	You can use cabal new-build if you're building from source and point directly to the executable 
2019-04-22 14:59:02	jophish	I'm afraid I'm a complete luddite, and have only used nix for building haskell for the longest time
2019-04-22 14:59:16	jophish	I should investigate what new-build can do for me
2019-04-22 14:59:43	jophish	I worry (entirely out of ignorance
2019-04-22 15:00:01	jophish	) that it will spew crap all over my system which I'll have to clear up
2019-04-22 15:00:18	jophish	although I understand that new-build was designed to do less of that
2019-04-22 15:06:15	teto	jophish: from what I understood new-build mimics nix without using nix
2019-04-22 15:06:27	teto	weird if you ask me xD
2019-04-22 15:11:34	jophish	mpickering: https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/2
2019-04-22 15:11:38	jophish	fixes the issue for me
2019-04-22 15:13:23	jophish	mpickering: no change in my symptoms however
2019-04-22 15:14:03	jophish	I can get the type of something (but no documentation), but as soon as I make a change to the file, everything stops working
2019-04-22 15:33:01	mpickering	You change it and save? 
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2019-04-22 17:33:02	fendor_	mpickering, can you run the tests of hie on nixos? for me, they all fail while they mostly succeed in CI
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2019-04-22 17:41:10	jophish	Mpickering, yes
2019-04-22 17:45:14	mpickering	fendor_: no
2019-04-22 17:45:32	mpickering	jophish: if you send me the logs again I will look
2019-04-22 17:45:40	fendor_	do we know why?
2019-04-22 17:46:51	jophish	mpickering: https://gist.github.com/df2f05529f53c7d9a869462231fd60c4
2019-04-22 17:46:56	jophish	thanks!
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2019-04-22 17:49:23	jophish	The behaviour with the hie-bios branch is already slightly different than on master with neovim. With master any errors are highlighted in neovim, but with hie-bios no errors are reported in my editor
2019-04-22 17:50:38	mpickering	Well it seems that the file is not reloaded after the save for some reason
2019-04-22 17:51:12	mpickering	Can you tell me about the plugin you use so I can set up a nvim test environment 
2019-04-22 17:51:35	jophish	I'll see if I can reproduce this with just the languageclient plugin
2019-04-22 17:51:59	mpickering	fendor_: no idea
2019-04-22 17:52:07	mpickering	They just hang for me 
2019-04-22 17:52:46	fendor_	hm... weird... since, if i compile it from source, it actually works, sooo... idk
2019-04-22 17:57:56	jophish	mpickering: I can reproduce it with just languageclient-neovim 
2019-04-22 17:58:24	jophish	This is hie's stderr: https://gist.github.com/ecf70e69759289176e2cc2b970d8f643
2019-04-22 18:00:25	jophish	I opened the file, called hover on "pure", observed that the type was shown in the statusbar, added a newline to the end of the file, called hover again on pure and observed that no type was shown
2019-04-22 18:42:01	@alanz	lukelau, I presume we need another big bump for haskell-lsp? I want to publish it, so we do not have to bring in a new submodule for your progress PR
2019-04-22 18:42:08	@alanz	0.10.0.0?
2019-04-22 18:46:47	mpickering	OK I will try thanks jophish 
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2019-04-22 18:57:35	jophish	mpickering: please let me know if there's anything else I can do to help
2019-04-22 18:58:27	mpickering	I don't understand what could be broken really as it works with vscode
2019-04-22 18:59:02	mpickering	And it seems to receive the save event as it works out to reuse the cradle
2019-04-22 18:59:56	jophish	it is strange, perhaps I should test with vscode
2019-04-22 19:00:13	jophish	if I just open 'code' on Main.hs will it work, or do I have to install a plugin/
2019-04-22 19:02:14	lukelau	alanz: Yes I was just about to ask you for that
2019-04-22 19:02:36	fendor__	jophish, you need a plugin, i think, vscode-hie-plugin or something like that
2019-04-22 19:02:43	lukelau	I’ll bump it now
2019-04-22 19:04:04	@alanz	lukelau, and update the ChangeLog
2019-04-22 19:04:17	@alanz	and publish, if you want.
2019-04-22 19:04:43	lukelau	Is it ok if I just push these straight to master? I want to tidy up the docs a bit as well
2019-04-22 19:04:47	lukelau	Add some @since attributes
2019-04-22 19:04:49	jophish	thanks fendor__ 
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2019-04-22 19:06:26	@alanz	lukelau, yes
2019-04-22 19:11:30	jophish	hmm, I can't get anything to work in vscode
2019-04-22 19:15:37	jophish	it doesn't even start a process called hie
2019-04-22 19:18:13	fendor	weird
2019-04-22 19:18:19	fendor	jophish, which os?
2019-04-22 19:18:31	fendor	mpickering, I can run the tests if I run the test exectuables directly
2019-04-22 19:20:26	jophish	fendor: Ubuntu, vscode installed with nix
2019-04-22 19:21:13	fendor	what is the result of `which hie`?
2019-04-22 19:22:13	fendor	e.g. is hie on the path?
2019-04-22 19:24:45	jophish	fendor: yup
2019-04-22 19:24:46	lukelau	alanz: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp-0.10.0.0
2019-04-22 19:24:50	jophish	in .nix-profile
2019-04-22 19:25:03	@alanz	lukelau, thank
2019-04-22 19:25:38	fendor	jophish, so, no output in the console on vscode when you open a .hs file? 
2019-04-22 19:25:58	@alanz	I am currently messing around with "npm audit" and "npm audit fix" for vscode. A real poking a stick at a thing experience
2019-04-22 19:28:10	lukelau	Yeah I ran it because it told me to after doing `npm i`
2019-04-22 19:28:30	lukelau	There’s so many scripts that run whenever you try to build/commit, it’s quite overwhelming
2019-04-22 19:29:42	@alanz	I am doing it for current master, before your commit
2019-04-22 19:30:11	@alanz	because I keep getting security audit warnings, and I have merged that "show documentation" PR
2019-04-22 19:31:53	jophish	fendor: nothing in them
2019-04-22 19:32:36	fendor	very weird...
2019-04-22 19:33:26	jophish	and the plugin is up to date and enabled
2019-04-22 19:33:47	lukelau	jophish: Do you have a .cabal file?
2019-04-22 19:33:51	jophish	I do
2019-04-22 19:35:38	lukelau	Sometimes the process can show up as hie-8.x.y or hie-wrapper
2019-04-22 19:35:56	lukelau	Does $TMPDIR/hie.log contain any information?
2019-04-22 19:38:18	jophish	lukelau: no such processes I'm afraid, or that log file
2019-04-22 19:38:38	jophish	I'm not too concerned, no need to worry about this :)
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2019-04-22 19:55:23	@alanz	lukelau, stack is quick, need to update lsp-test: https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stackage/issues/4495
2019-04-22 19:55:35	lukelau	Literally just published it as i got that email
2019-04-22 19:55:47	lukelau	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/lsp-test-0.5.1.2
2019-04-22 19:56:09	@alanz	this ecosystem-wide ci is pretty amazing, actually
2019-04-22 19:56:40	lukelau	Yeah that was really fast 
2019-04-22 19:57:05	@alanz	I suspect it just happened to hit the window as the daily build started
2019-04-22 19:58:35	@alanz	And it looks like we need to lock down upper bounds in haskell-lsp, when we publish. See https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/#/package/haskell-lsp
2019-04-22 19:58:39	@alanz	broke 0.9.0.0
2019-04-22 19:58:50	@alanz	I will make a revision
2019-04-22 20:00:53	lukelau	Ah were we not specifying the bounds on haskell-lsp-types?
2019-04-22 20:01:30	@alanz	nope
2019-04-22 20:01:37	@alanz	See the revision I just made
2019-04-22 20:01:44	@alanz	We had is as >= 0.8.3
2019-04-22 20:01:54	@alanz	changed it to == 0.9.*
2019-04-22 20:02:05	@alanz	need to change that for 0.10 too, I guess
2019-04-22 20:02:22	lukelau	Yes
2019-04-22 20:02:49	lukelau	I presume it was just by coincidence selecting the most recent version when we were building it locally because of the cabal.project and stack.yaml files
2019-04-22 20:03:00	lukelau	telling it to look for the local package rather than hackage package
2019-04-22 20:03:23	@alanz	well, it was fine before, I made revisions for the earlier versions already
2019-04-22 20:03:37	@alanz	so it only affects 0.9 when 0.10 is published
2019-04-22 20:03:49	lukelau	ok
2019-04-22 20:03:58	lukelau	good catch
2019-04-22 20:05:14	@alanz	And as of a few minutes ago vscode shows documentation links properly again. With plugin 0.0.26
2019-04-22 20:05:45	@alanz	And I added Ed Allonby as a contributor, he has been fixing most of the stuff there recently
2019-04-22 20:06:29	lukelau	Nice, its good to have someone paying attention to the vscode side of things
2019-04-22 20:06:30	@alanz	The more people we get involved the better the thing as a whole gets. 
2019-04-22 20:06:46	@alanz	especially when they actually know how to do stuff, as opposed to say me
2019-04-22 20:07:30	lukelau	Speaking of which we have a really great pulse this week https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pulse
2019-04-22 20:07:47	lukelau	10 unique authors have committed this month
2019-04-22 20:07:56	@alanz	agree. Lots of us spending easter a home :)
2019-04-22 20:08:34	lukelau	amazing what a long weekend can do for OSS…
2019-04-22 20:08:52	@alanz	And we are green again: https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/#/package/haskell-lsp
2019-04-22 20:08:57	@alanz	it is
2019-04-22 20:09:13	lukelau	thats a very satisfying table
2019-04-22 20:09:20	@alanz	And our local news is full of the bumper to bumper returning holiday traffic. 
2019-04-22 20:09:57	@alanz	matrix and stackage are great checks on the overall health of stuff
2019-04-22 20:10:10	lukelau	we’re off the hook https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stackage/issues/4495#event-2291410606
2019-04-22 20:10:18	@alanz	This is not so great: https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/#/package/lsp-test
2019-04-22 20:10:45	lukelau	I didn’t notice 0.5.1.1 failing
2019-04-22 20:10:51	lukelau	Damn
2019-04-22 20:11:41	lukelau	What is FAIL (DEPS)? Clicking on the button doesn’t reveal any logs 
2019-04-22 20:11:48	@alanz	It claims there should be logs, but I can't get the ui to give them to me
2019-04-22 20:11:59	@alanz	tried all three failed ones
2019-04-22 20:12:10	@alanz	I think the solver just can't come up with a build plan
2019-04-22 20:12:52	@alanz	or rather, the package deps failed. I wonder if it is a knock-on of the haskell-lsp/haskell-lsp-types build failure for 0.9.0.0
2019-04-22 20:13:05	@alanz	in which case we must ask hvr to schedule a rebuild for it
2019-04-22 20:13:11	lukelau	Would it have rebuilt older packages?
2019-04-22 20:13:32	lukelau	Yeah it built fine on the last index-state
2019-04-22 20:13:36	@alanz	it depends on the timing of that build and me publishing a revision
2019-04-22 20:13:51	@alanz	I suspect it will be fine now
2019-04-22 20:14:17	@alanz	I don't have authority to trigger a rebuild
2019-04-22 20:15:23	@alanz	asked on #hackage
2019-04-22 20:15:31	lukelau	https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/#/package/lsp-test/0.4.0.0/ghc-8.6.3@1555944167
2019-04-22 20:15:35	lukelau	Fixing itself now
2019-04-22 20:15:48	lukelau	Just did a load of revisions as well
2019-04-22 20:15:50	@alanz	perfect
2019-04-22 20:16:16	lukelau	There’s a way to mark a version as “condemnded” right?
2019-04-22 20:16:50	@alanz	I think the standard is to constrain base == 0
2019-04-22 20:16:58	@alanz	but I may be wrong
2019-04-22 20:17:14	@alanz	There is an explicit flag for it, now I think about it.
2019-04-22 20:17:28	@alanz	text has at least one version that is condemned
2019-04-22 20:19:27	@alanz	I think the red ones here are deprecated: hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-mod
2019-04-22 21:15:38	mpickering	lukelau: Thanks for adding window/progress
2019-04-22 21:20:10	lukelau	no problem
2019-04-22 21:20:44	lukelau	It won’t be seen in vscode until the language client dependency gets updated upstream
2019-04-22 21:33:08	mpickering	Why did you have to make MonadIO a super class of MonadIde
2019-04-22 21:35:11	lukelau	withProgress/withIndefiniteProgress can send messages to the client
2019-04-22 21:35:33	mpickering	what does that mean
2019-04-22 21:35:41	mpickering	why did you not add another method to MonadIde?
2019-04-22 21:35:53	mpickering	MonadIO is a big hammer
2019-04-22 21:36:14	lukelau	Another method?
2019-04-22 21:37:06	lukelau	It is a shame to lose the purity, but as far as I’m aware all the instances of MonadIde were IO based anyway
2019-04-22 21:37:34	mpickering	now they all have to be yes
2019-04-22 21:38:13	lukelau	Alternatively I could just move withProgress out of MonadIde
2019-04-22 21:38:25	lukelau	withProgress :: MonadIde m => T.Text -> ((Core.Progress -> m ()) -> m a) -> m a
2019-04-22 21:38:47	lukelau	But then I need to figure out how to expose ideEnvLspFuncs internally to that module
2019-04-22 21:39:19	mpickering	can you explain the two cases of withProgress' to me?
2019-04-22 21:40:16	lukelau	mpickering: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1190#discussion_r277272677
2019-04-22 21:40:23	lukelau	It’s a workaround for lifting
2019-04-22 21:40:50	lukelau	Normally I defined the instances in terms of IdeM and then just lifted the functions for IdeDeferM and IdeGhcM
2019-04-22 21:41:01	lukelau	But I presume because of the callback this prevents lifting
2019-04-22 21:41:31	mpickering	It's a bit like bracket right?
2019-04-22 21:42:03	lukelau	Oh sorry yeah, those functions are basically bracket but for sending window/progress/start and window/progress/done
2019-04-22 21:42:07	mpickering	so you can't lift it like normal because the `m` appears in co and contravariant positions
2019-04-22 21:43:20	mpickering	http://hackage.haskell.org/package/monad-control-1.0.2.3/docs/Control-Monad-Trans-Control.html
2019-04-22 21:43:27	lukelau	*flipping through Bartosz Milewski’s book*
2019-04-22 21:43:47	mpickering	people use things like MonadBaseControl to lift bracketed operations
2019-04-22 21:44:02	mpickering	but perhaps this points to the fact that these operations shouldn't be in MonadIde at all
2019-04-22 21:44:07	mpickering	and specialised to specified uses
2019-04-22 21:45:01	lukelau	That’s useful to know anyway: thanks for linking me that. I’ll read up on it
2019-04-22 21:45:15	lukelau	But yeah I think I’ll just move them out of the class, that sounds better
2019-04-22 21:45:54	mpickering	It's not obvious to me how this lift instance works just reading the haskell-ide-engine side patch
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2019-04-22 22:07:02	mpickering	lukelau: With the progress reporting something I wanted to do was to report what number module was being compiled out of what number
2019-04-22 22:07:35	mpickering	so to do that you need to pass the callback into the bit which sets the frontend hook
2019-04-22 22:07:51	mpickering	perhaps that's in ghc-mod though hmm
2019-04-22 22:08:17	mpickering	I can have a play around with that tonight, do you know if many clients support window/progress yet?
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2019-04-22 22:32:11	mpickering	jophish: It works for me in neovim as well
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2019-04-23 00:52:14	mpickering	lukelau: Does the client have to advertise somehow it will accept window/progress requests?
2019-04-23 00:53:14	mpickering	Hmm perhaps the neovim language client doesn't quite suport it properly
2019-04-23 00:55:16	mpickering	because I don't see hie emitting window/progress at all
2019-04-23 00:55:16	@alanz	mpickering, yes, capability negotiation. Look at the total diff, you will see it coming in. Or at the lsp spec
2019-04-23 00:55:52	@alanz	I think the key stuff is happening in haskell-lsp, now I think of it
2019-04-23 00:56:57	@alanz	mpickering, see https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/153/files, the bit about client capabilities
2019-04-23 00:57:00	mpickering	ok I don't imagine the neovim client advertises this correctly yet then
2019-04-23 00:57:13	mpickering	I guess I can change this to force it to emit the values to test it
2019-04-23 00:57:14	mpickering	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/153/files#diff-2c042193384a6e6a9f4b13ba32aed6dcR1017
2019-04-23 00:57:18	@alanz	it only just hit the spec, is not even in a released vscode version yet
2019-04-23 00:57:33	mpickering	neovim claims support for window/progress because the rust server emitted it
2019-04-23 00:57:52	mpickering	The use of `def` there looks quite unsafe to me.. but anywa
2019-04-23 00:57:56	@alanz	I think the spec formalised it, and slightly differently
2019-04-23 00:58:36	@alanz	mpickering, I just realised that IdeGhcM does not have a GhcMonad instance. So added it
2019-04-23 00:58:49	@alanz	which reduces the required PluginApi quite a bit
2019-04-23 01:02:10	mpickering	if I force the default value to Just True then it still doesn't emit the events
2019-04-23 01:03:56	mpickering	I give up with this for now then
2019-04-23 01:04:00	mpickering	at least I got it merged into my branch
2019-04-23 01:04:36	@alanz	The capability negotiation is quite tricky, I think. The initial value means nothing, I think. It is set based on what comes from the client
2019-04-23 01:27:19	@alanz	mpickering, see https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/blob/hare-hie-plugin-api/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/PluginApi.hs
2019-04-23 01:28:05	@alanz	the explicit ghc-mod-core stuff is reduced, now only stuff for legacy debug management, options, and data types related to the module graphs
2019-04-23 01:28:32	@alanz	I am going to ask dxld if we can move those types into something else, so we can use them more easily
2019-04-23 01:28:40	@alanz	perhaps they belong on Cabal
2019-04-23 01:31:23	@alanz	Once the module graph types are in hand, I think I can start looking at hie-bios :)
2019-04-23 02:10:31	mpickering	alanz: What is the GmModuleGraph type?
2019-04-23 02:14:13	lukelau	mpickering: sorry, just seeing this now
2019-04-23 02:14:22	lukelau	mpickering: what alanz said, yes
2019-04-23 02:14:31	lukelau	vscode 1.33.x supports it
2019-04-23 02:15:01	lukelau	you’ll need to install this branch of the vscode-hie-server plugin to see it https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/pull/150
2019-04-23 02:15:27	mpickering	I just wanted to see hie emit the events rather than configure another editor as well
2019-04-23 02:19:01	lukelau	alanz: Should lspFuncs be accessible by plugins?
2019-04-23 02:21:56	lukelau	mpickering: capsForVersion isn’t used by the clients, its there for lsp-test mostly and anything that wants to check what the capabilities should be for a specific version
2019-04-23 02:22:16	lukelau	What client capabilities are sent to HIE is out of HIE’s control
2019-04-23 02:22:51	lukelau	It might be easier to just override the flag in haskell-lsp
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2019-04-23 02:24:24	mpickering	lukelau: but the question is, how do I do that
2019-04-23 02:24:32	lukelau	are you using submodules? or just hackage?
2019-04-23 02:25:26	mpickering	no literally, which file do I modify
2019-04-23 02:25:28	mpickering	It is already a submodule
2019-04-23 02:25:49	mpickering	because I tried changing the default to Just True and it didn't make a noticeably impact
2019-04-23 02:26:12	lukelau	Core.hs:596
2019-04-23 02:26:44	lukelau	The server won’t use the default, it will just use whatever the client sends it
2019-04-23 02:26:50	lukelau	Flick that line though to True, I think that should work
2019-04-23 02:28:13	mpickering	thanks
2019-04-23 02:28:20	lukelau	Is it working now?
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2019-04-23 02:33:42	@alanz	lukelau, the lspFuncs should be accesible for plugins, and iirc are via the monad?
2019-04-23 02:33:50	@alanz	(been doing the GOT thing)
2019-04-23 02:34:02	lukelau	No spoilers!
2019-04-23 02:34:17	lukelau	I think R just provides lspFuncs
2019-04-23 02:34:32	lukelau	IdeEnv encapsulates the lspFunc stuff
2019-04-23 02:34:37	lukelau	*MonadIde
2019-04-23 02:34:48	lukelau	IdeEnv contains the lspfuncs but it isn’t exported outside of pluginidemonads
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2019-04-23 02:35:33	@alanz	ok, I have not really looked at it for a while, but would expect it to be available
2019-04-23 02:36:05	@alanz	mpickering, the GmModuleGraph and friends are defined in ghc-mod-core, in the submodules of hie master
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2019-04-23 02:36:39	lukelau	LspFuncs has always felt a bit “internal” to me though, it exposes a lot of stuff like sendFunc and getNextReqId that I presume we don’t want plugins to use
2019-04-23 02:36:47	mpickering	I'm not sure how the `GmModuleGraph` is different from the Ghc `ModuleGraph`
2019-04-23 02:37:02	mpickering	will look at it later once you are done
2019-04-23 02:37:40	@alanz	mpickering, nor me, to be honest. I think originally the type in Cabal/ghc was not that good, and it was created as a stable abstraction across multiple GHC/Cabal versions 
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2019-04-23 02:37:49	@alanz	which is what ghc-mod/cabale-helper manages
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2019-04-23 02:40:49	mpickering	I worked out as well how to display per module updates using the progress indicator
2019-04-23 02:41:05	mpickering	thankfully GHC exposes enough stuff
2019-04-23 02:41:10	lukelau	mpickering: nice!
2019-04-23 02:43:00	mpickering	so lemme hook that up and I'll test if the stuff gets emitted
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2019-04-23 03:11:36	mpickering	lukelau: There is a problem with the definition of withProgress
2019-04-23 03:11:48	mpickering	the continuation should have type Core.Progress -> IO () I think?
2019-04-23 03:12:13	lukelau	It’s ‘Core.Progress -> m ()' now right?
2019-04-23 03:12:16	mpickering	Yes
2019-04-23 03:12:31	mpickering	this means you can't pass the continuation into Ghc for example
2019-04-23 03:12:49	lukelau	Hmm that should be corrected
2019-04-23 03:12:55	mpickering	if it was IO then you could liftIO it back to IdeGhcM
2019-04-23 03:13:06	lukelau	I didn’t think about passing it further down
2019-04-23 03:14:33	mpickering	Making it m doesn't make it more general I think
2019-04-23 03:17:18	lukelau	Would `forall m n a. (MonadIO m, MonadIO n) => Text -> ((Progress -> n ()) -> m a) -> m a` be the most general?
2019-04-23 03:17:40	lukelau	It’s a bit big
2019-04-23 03:18:02	mpickering	there needs to be some relationship between n and m surely 
2019-04-23 03:19:25	mpickering	I feel like MonadBaseControl will have some answers here
2019-04-23 03:20:01	mpickering	so I fixed it to IO and after fixing the type errors it compiled
2019-04-23 03:21:44	lukelau	Are you doing this in the hie-bios branch?
2019-04-23 03:21:51	mpickering	of course.. :)
2019-04-23 03:22:23	lukelau	We’ll need to update this in haskell-lsp at some point, but that means doing another release so maybe we can bundle it in with the next one
2019-04-23 03:22:51	mpickering	so I see the events now
2019-04-23 03:23:02	lukelau	👍 
2019-04-23 03:23:04	mpickering	but it only seems to report one progress event hmm
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2019-04-23 03:28:01	mpickering	ah that's my fault because of my very advanced programming techniques 
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2019-04-23 03:31:46	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/nBUoCZqb/
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2019-04-23 03:34:20	mpickering	Here's the patch fwiw - https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/commit/e001a1bcea576991e5516e40fb62e7eea8a1ce77
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2019-04-23 12:17:53	teto	Besides Word16 -> Word32 -> Word32 on https://imgur.com/a/53l7Ciy , I would like to see the parameter names: messageFlags , messageSeqNum, messagePID. Is that doable ?
2019-04-23 12:18:14	teto	(This is the "hover" popup)
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2019-04-23 14:20:04	teto	found some reference https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/2zw4r7/keeping_argument_names_around_in_haddock/
2019-04-23 14:33:58	mpickering	that hover looks strange anyway, what is going on with the markup?
2019-04-23 14:34:31	teto	mpickering: it's a neovim TUI hover popup so it doesn't render the markdown
2019-04-23 14:35:34	teto	I've tried to document my datastructure as expected by haddock but now hover stops showing xD gonna launch vscode since it makes HIE behavior inspection easier
2019-04-23 14:45:23	teto	nevermind, I was using the old hie instead of master (wrong nix expression). Now fixed.
2019-04-23 14:57:22	teto	when I am building from master, is hie --version supposed to return 0.8.0.0 ? 
2019-04-23 14:59:51	mpickering	Something like Version 1.0.0.0, Git revision 3e97f327ca163c33b56d549cf35ac041d83e1919 (dirty) (2690 commits) x86_64 ghc-8.6.4
2019-04-23 15:03:26	teto	shit I hadn't push my changes, here is why :'( thanks
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2019-04-23 15:36:27	teto	mpickering: I think nix discards the .git folder when fetching hie, so it still displays 0.8.0.0 as a fallback maybe
2019-04-23 15:43:04	teto	also the doc isn't updated dynamically ? I have a data structure defined as  "data DiagCustom = DiagCustom { sdiag_family :: Word8 -- ^AF_INET6 or AF_INET " so I would expect the hover window to show the haddock doc "AF_INET6 or AF_INET" but it doesn't show it
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2019-04-23 15:53:55	teto	hum the instructions I've followed were for functions, maybe for datastructures it's different, I'll need to run some more checks sorry for the spam
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2019-04-23 19:16:00	fendor	can someone execute the tests of hie on linux? does that work as expected?
2019-04-23 19:16:24	fendor	getting increasingly frustrated of running the tests with CI since i can't execute them properly on nixos...
2019-04-23 19:17:39	@alanz	fendor, its one of the reasons I do not use nixos, need to have a "normal" environment for being able to test
2019-04-23 19:18:01	fendor	i agree, and it is terribly frustrating
2019-04-23 19:18:09	@alanz	And I guess somewhere along the line we should set up hercules-ci to do a set of nixos tests
2019-04-23 19:18:16	fendor	but I am not done with distro hopping so far, nothing really satisfied me
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2019-04-23 19:18:56	@alanz	I settled on debian a long time ago, otherwise you waste too much time just getting silly stuff set up, every time you change
2019-04-23 19:19:06	michaelpj	why don't the tests work on nixos?
2019-04-23 19:19:11	fendor	isnt software on debian quite outdated?
2019-04-23 19:19:27	fendor	michaelpj, if you execute with stack, then the stack executable is not on the path
2019-04-23 19:19:40	fendor	on cabal new-build, for some reason, it doesnt answer.
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2019-04-23 19:19:43	fendor	on windows, lsp-test hangs
2019-04-23 19:20:04	@alanz	fendor, debian testing
2019-04-23 19:20:18	fendor	it is quite annoying and it takes like 10 hours already to try to write the tests for #1170
2019-04-23 19:20:25	@alanz	michaelpj, we would welcome a PR getting the tests working on nixos
2019-04-23 19:20:35	@alanz	its just not something we have paid attention to
2019-04-23 19:20:42	fendor	alanz, debian testing is still old in comparison to arch or something like that, right?
2019-04-23 19:20:49	@alanz	But I suspect that once hie-bios is in it may get easier
2019-04-23 19:21:00	michaelpj	I use nixos and I was hoping to hack on HIE a bit at some point so I might actually do that ;) just wondering whether the problem is something fundamental or just "broken and we're not sure why"
2019-04-23 19:21:16	fendor	michaelpj, so far, broken and not sure why, and nobody cared to actually fix it.
2019-04-23 19:21:22	@alanz	there is normally a 10 day waiting period before a package comes through, otherwise quite up to date
2019-04-23 19:21:58	@alanz	except when there is an imminent release, then things slow down. As now
2019-04-23 19:22:12	@alanz	https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/
2019-04-23 19:22:52	fendor	michaelpj, i would really appreciate it, if you can make the tests run on nixos.
2019-04-23 19:22:57	teto	getting things started on nixos can be quite a pain (as upstream gets involved etc) but once setup, it is rock solid IMO, well worth the initial frustration
2019-04-23 19:23:14	fendor	teto, the initial frustration is now present since over a year for me.
2019-04-23 19:23:19	michaelpj	I'll have a look, not promising anything ;)
2019-04-23 19:23:21	@alanz	teto, I agree, someone just needs to do it
2019-04-23 19:23:46	teto	fendor: it took me more than a year to upstream the nixpkgs lua infrastructure in order to run neovim tests :D
2019-04-23 19:23:53	teto	so I understand you pain
2019-04-23 19:24:06	fendor	teto, I cant even make neovim use the plugins i want... 
2019-04-23 19:24:22	fendor	the setup broke after one reinstallation 
2019-04-23 19:24:34	fendor	I changed nothing, and now it doesnt work anymore
2019-04-23 19:24:38	teto	fendor: oh tell me more or on #neovim, I might be able to help
2019-04-23 19:24:41	michaelpj	I find the big benefit is that if someone else sets something up with nix then it almost always works for me too. Which is so rarely the case with other kinds of setup instructions
2019-04-23 19:24:57	michaelpj	but it can be a pain on the packaging side
2019-04-23 19:25:13	fendor	michaelpj, agreed. that is great. But if it doesnt work, I feel like I have no tools to even investigate what the exact problem is, like with overlays.
2019-04-23 19:25:20	fendor	teto, sure, coming over
2019-04-23 19:26:03	fendor	however, I am currently thinking about executing the tests in a vm. 
2019-04-23 19:26:19	teto	fendor: my neovim config is a mix of nix and custom  init.vim, actually I have written a pretty big module to generate my neovim config based on the nix-shell parameters. Want to upstream it once it's polished enough
2019-04-23 19:32:42	fendor	teto, i am only using overlays, just wanted a better default then vim
2019-04-23 19:32:53	mpickering	On my branch the tests just hang with no cpu usage if I try to run them
2019-04-23 19:34:21	mpickering	If a program doesn't work on nixos then it's because the program assumes too much about its environment rather than a failure of nixos usually imo
2019-04-23 19:35:21	fendor	might be true, however, it is a chore to always hack hours around the program... the worst nightmare was maven with an in-memory mongodb
2019-04-23 19:36:00	fendor	because it downloaded a unix executable with the ld hard-coded into the executable
2019-04-23 19:41:59	teto	also it's hard to blame programs that make assumptions true for all programs but nixos xD
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2019-04-23 21:23:32	michaelpj	so most of the problems with the tests seem to be that they're missing executables that are called by the plugins. These are mostly Haskell programs, so we *could* add them as `build-tool-depends` (`run-tool-depends` would be more appropriate if it exists), or we could treat them as system deps and add them to the `shell.nix`. I think the latter is probably more appropriate? (tools in question are: stack, liquid, 
2019-04-23 21:23:32	michaelpj	cabal-helper, hoogle). Thoughts?
2019-04-23 21:23:51	michaelpj	cabal-helper should probably get built by cabal since it comes from a submodule
2019-04-23 21:24:16	michaelpj	there's also a problem where the latest version of `lsp-test` doesn't seem to compile
2019-04-23 21:26:13	fendor	michaelpj, i think that is a problem of nixpkgs not having updates everything at the right moment
2019-04-23 21:26:23	fendor	e.g. these libs need to be updated at the same time
2019-04-23 21:26:49	fendor	i also had the problem, that the tests tried to run an old executable, thus, the tests failed
2019-04-23 21:26:56	michaelpj	right, so including them in `build-tool-depends` would get cabal to build them hopefully with a consistent version
2019-04-23 21:27:15	fendor	that would be grea
2019-04-23 21:27:18	michaelpj	I tink
2019-04-23 21:27:18	fendor	great
2019-04-23 21:27:22	michaelpj	think
2019-04-23 21:27:35	michaelpj	but of course I ran straight into solver issues when I tried that >:(
2019-04-23 21:27:54	fendor	I discovered, that the problem for me why the tests wont run is, that an old hie version has been used.
2019-04-23 21:28:05	fendor	and in the readme there is no such documentation
2019-04-23 21:28:19	michaelpj	they seem to run fine for me, they just all die because the executables aren't around
2019-04-23 21:28:33	fendor	they should all die
2019-04-23 21:28:42	fendor	some should, such as liquid
2019-04-23 21:29:05	michaelpj	hm, although, should we be so coupled to the version of our executable dependencies?
2019-04-23 21:29:40	fendor	i dunno.
2019-04-23 21:29:54	fendor	i think, in hie tests we should be coupled to the local repo.
2019-04-23 21:30:09	michaelpj	sure, which makes sense for the cabal-helper case
2019-04-23 21:30:10	fendor	lsp-test should be really responsible for version independent tests.
2019-04-23 21:30:18	michaelpj	but hoogle, liquid, stack etc
2019-04-23 21:30:44	fendor	stack is used to find the executable, i think
2019-04-23 21:30:45	michaelpj	if they should work with a wide range of versions of those programs, then I think it makes sense to say "the tests assume you have some version installed", which corresponds to getting them as system deps from nixpkgs
2019-04-23 21:31:41	fendor	makes sense
2019-04-23 21:32:55	mpickering	if they work with the executables then that's good
2019-04-23 21:33:05	mpickering	but they still fail for me on my branch which doesn't depend on cabal-helper for example
2019-04-23 21:33:56	michaelpj	so I'm using new-build
2019-04-23 21:34:01	michaelpj	and I don't see any hangs or anything
2019-04-23 21:34:13	michaelpj	just reasonably explicable failures
2019-04-23 21:35:17	michaelpj	oh wait, maybe I'm misinterpreting this
2019-04-23 22:03:37	michaelpj	alanz: there's a note in the cabal file by a commented-out `build-tool-depends` entry that suggests that we can't currently use them. Is that still true?
2019-04-23 22:16:17	fendor	michaelpj, if the blocker is cabal-helper, i think this still doesnt work
2019-04-23 22:16:53	michaelpj	well, adding it to build-tool-depends seems to make the tests work, but the note suggests maybe something else doesn't work
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2019-04-23 23:04:22	@alanz	michaelpj, re the build tool thing, I do not know. I forget when and why I commented it out
2019-04-23 23:04:40	michaelpj	okay, well, let's give it a try
2019-04-23 23:04:56	@alanz	And the cabal-helper, stack, cabal, ghc dependencies should be more manageable once the new hie-bios lands
2019-04-23 23:05:13	@alanz	But I anticipate that will be toward the end of (northern) summer
2019-04-23 23:11:26	michaelpj	so worth some effort to make things work in the interim, then :)
2019-04-23 23:30:02	@alanz	yes
2019-04-24 00:32:02	lukelau	alanz fendor: woops didn’t mean to rerequest your review for that PR
2019-04-24 00:32:23	@alanz	no problem
2019-04-24 00:33:06	lukelau	I think https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1105 is starting to pass tests now 
2019-04-24 00:35:23	lukelau	There’s a lot more tidying up I want to do, but this PR is already getting out of hand
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2019-04-24 02:11:39	fendor	did somebody also notice that you can open the func-test suite with stack in repl mode? E.g. `stack ghci haskell-ide-engine:test:func-test` fails
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2019-04-24 02:25:55	lukelau	fendor: I’m trying to figure out whats going wrong with cabal test
2019-04-24 02:26:03	lukelau	for some reason, `cabal new-run :func-test` works
2019-04-24 02:26:09	lukelau	but `cabal new-test :func-test` does not
2019-04-24 02:26:47	fendor	the tests are so thouroghly broken.
2019-04-24 02:27:06	lukelau	on nixOS?
2019-04-24 02:27:35	fendor	yeah and windows
2019-04-24 02:27:48	fendor	and power-fungus said, he couldnt get them to run on arch either
2019-04-24 02:28:09	alanz	the func-test stuff runs executables (hie) so could be sensitive to running in the repl
2019-04-24 02:29:30	lukelau	there’s a lot of moving parts with the tests, even the unit ones
2019-04-24 02:29:30	fendor	why should it? the executable is found at run-time
2019-04-24 02:29:55	lukelau	There’s resolvers that need written when the test executable is launched
2019-04-24 02:30:10	lukelau	And ghc-mod is very sensitive to any env vars that are injected
2019-04-24 02:30:32	lukelau	on top of that there’s the cabal-helper-wrapper boogaloo that the test executable needs to be able to find
2019-04-24 02:30:39	alanz	its kind of like debugging a debugger. Tricky.
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2019-04-24 02:33:16	alanz	lukelau, your lsp-test is breaking cbal builds. https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/2614
2019-04-24 02:33:29	alanz	"cabal: Failed to build lsp-test-0.5.1.3 (which is required by test:func-test"
2019-04-24 02:33:36	lukelau	I saw, it was due to bad version bounds
2019-04-24 02:33:43	lukelau	I made a revision on hackage
2019-04-24 02:33:46	alanz	I saw a patch land, I guess something needs to be updated somewhere?
2019-04-24 02:34:00	alanz	I pushed a PR half an hour ago, and that happened.
2019-04-24 02:34:29	lukelau	The hackage db is cached on circleCI I think, it needs updated
2019-04-24 02:34:49	alanz	ok, so it will refresh eventually
2019-04-24 02:35:08	lukelau	On my CircleCI instance I went to settings->environment variables and bumped HIE_CACHE to some random number and then requeued the job for cabal
2019-04-24 02:35:15	lukelau	I’m not sure if it will automatically refresh
2019-04-24 02:35:29	lukelau	This is speculation though, still waiting on this cabal job to come through
2019-04-24 02:35:56	alanz	ok
2019-04-24 02:37:55	alanz	reset it
2019-04-24 02:38:07	alanz	it makes it xxxx and then the last bit, which confised me
2019-04-24 02:38:13	alanz	as I set a date-time
2019-04-24 02:38:28	lukelau	yeah, i presume its meant for secret vars
2019-04-24 02:38:46	lukelau	by the way does the current fork of cabal-helper that we use still rely on cabal-helper-wrapper?
2019-04-24 02:38:47	alanz	and circle rebuild when looking at a single failed job rebuilds them all. Dammit.
2019-04-24 02:39:02	alanz	I think so. It is a long time since I looked though
2019-04-24 02:39:04	lukelau	alanz: click on the dropdown and then rerun job with ssh
2019-04-24 02:39:36	alanz	and I last all enthusiasm when all the other stuff started happening. Or rather, I realised I could leave it to others
2019-04-24 02:39:45	lukelau	cabal new-test is doing something funny with the env vars causing func-test to give the old “Could not find $libexecdir/cabal-helper-wrapper"
2019-04-24 02:39:46	alanz	But would have to accept an 8 month delay
2019-04-24 02:40:20	lukelau	Things are going somewhere at least anyway which is good
2019-04-24 02:40:24	alanz	that sounds familiar, I am sure I run tests while setting that. For something
2019-04-24 02:43:06	alanz	ask dxld, he will be able to help with it
2019-04-24 02:43:18	alanz	I think his CI scripts for ghc-mod set that
2019-04-24 02:48:38	lukelau	This might be the most bizzare cabal bug I’ve encountered yet: 
2019-04-24 02:48:55	lukelau	`build-tool-depends: cabal-helper:cabal-helper-wrapper` fails to build
2019-04-24 02:49:08	lukelau	But rename cabal-helper-wrapper in cabal-helper.cabal to chw
2019-04-24 02:49:21	lukelau	And then `build-tool-depends: cabal-helper:chw`
2019-04-24 02:49:24	lukelau	And it works
2019-04-24 02:52:35	alanz	report it to the cabal guys.
2019-04-24 02:52:56	alanz	it does seem crazy
2019-04-24 02:53:34	alanz	lukelau, btw, if you are messing with this stuff, there is a pr on my branch to look for things ending .exe as well on windows
2019-04-24 02:53:40	alanz	which I have just ignored.
2019-04-24 02:53:45	alanz	Which is bad
2019-04-24 02:55:50	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/cabal-helper/pull/5
2019-04-24 02:56:17	alanz	so if you or anyone wants to take a look/merge it, please do
2019-04-24 03:04:15	lukelau	alanz: It was caused by the build-type: custom in cabal-helper
2019-04-24 03:04:48	lukelau	I think it was compiling Setup.hs (which was just the simple one anyway) to an executable called Main, which I presume cabal then picked up as the cabal-helper default executable?
2019-04-24 03:04:49	alanz	which is needed to make sure the exe and library end up in the same place
2019-04-24 03:05:13	alanz	otherwise cabal new-install puts them in different places, and you cant find it
2019-04-24 03:05:17	alanz	iirc
2019-04-24 03:05:30	alanz	its a terribly intricate thing
2019-04-24 03:05:31	lukelau	are you talking about the PR or the custom build-type?
2019-04-24 03:06:12	alanz	I know that cabal helper needs to force legacy install, which is done by having a custome build type, iirc
2019-04-24 03:06:29	lukelau	oh jesus
2019-04-24 03:06:37	alanz	otherwise it cant find the helper. or the worker wrapper, or something
2019-04-24 03:06:45	alanz	I can feel the scars peeling off
2019-04-24 03:07:20	lukelau	ive always had an admiration for cabal-helper’s intricacy though
2019-04-24 03:07:26	alanz	because otherwise the nix-style build puts the exe in one hash, and the lib in another
2019-04-24 03:07:37	alanz	and no way to find the exe from the Paths thing in the lib
2019-04-24 03:07:39	lukelau	its one of the few programs I know that makes use of libexec
2019-04-24 03:07:58	alanz	I think dxld put in libexec specifically for this
2019-04-24 03:08:24	alanz	And I have to say, the way all the parts work together is pretty amazing
2019-04-24 03:08:29	lukelau	I agree
2019-04-24 03:08:47	alanz	But it also makes me understand why testing it in unusual environments is tricky
2019-04-24 03:09:18	alanz	But the hie-bios approach means we can separate out support on specific platforms/build tools from fundamental operation
2019-04-24 03:09:25	alanz	which will make a huge difference
2019-04-24 03:10:06	lukelau	and not having any extra binaries floating about will hopefully open up static binaries
2019-04-24 03:12:47	alanz	yes
2019-04-24 03:13:50	lukelau	I’m only now getting round to reading the hie-bios README mpickering, I really like the philosophy
2019-04-24 03:16:01	alanz	I still need to do that in anger
2019-04-24 03:16:14	alanz	coming soon though, now I have HaRe just about done
2019-04-24 03:16:19	mpickering	Thanks for checking it out lukelau 
2019-04-24 03:16:32	lukelau	in anger?
2019-04-24 03:17:12	mpickering	lukelau: did you see the most recent commits on my branch would use your withProgress patch? 
2019-04-24 03:17:23	mpickering	The interface is nice to use
2019-04-24 03:18:52	lukelau	`toMessager` seems cool, is G.Messager a ghc api thing?
2019-04-24 03:19:17	mpickering	I was wondering a few things though. What is the Text argument used for? What happens with nested withProgress calls? And why is withIndefiniteProgress not implemented in terms of withProgress? 
2019-04-24 03:19:44	mpickering	Yes it is. Luckily the way to emit progress was already exposed as an argument 
2019-04-24 03:20:03	mpickering	Because the loader is used for make mode and one shot mode
2019-04-24 03:20:31	lukelau	The first one is the title (according to the lsp spec, looks like it immediately gets overwritten by the first message sent as a progress report) 
2019-04-24 03:21:11	lukelau	with nested withProgress calls it should use another “session” i.e. start sending requests with a different id
2019-04-24 03:21:42	lukelau	withIndefiniteProgress needs to set different JSON fields at the start and end of the “session”
2019-04-24 03:21:50	lukelau	according to the lsp spec
2019-04-24 03:21:59	lukelau	I don’t know why, it seems oddly strict
2019-04-24 03:22:11	lukelau	*proposed spec
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2019-04-24 03:31:15	mpickering	So what happens if I use withProgress and use Progress Nothing Nothing? 
2019-04-24 03:32:10	lukelau	i think thats fine
2019-04-24 03:32:41	lukelau	The main thing is that if its an indefinite progress, the window/progress/start notification needs to set progress to null
2019-04-24 03:33:24	mpickering	What is the non null value for progress? 
2019-04-24 03:34:20	lukelau	if it’s a non-indefinite progress I just set it to 0
2019-04-24 03:34:45	lukelau	https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode-languageserver-node/blob/master/protocol/src/protocol.progress.proposed.md
2019-04-24 03:36:59	mpickering	I don't see what you're referring to there
2019-04-24 03:37:29	mpickering	Progress start params has no progress field? 
2019-04-24 03:37:45	mpickering	Did you think about an API for cancelling as well? 
2019-04-24 03:37:51	lukelau	Sorry, s/progress/percentage/
2019-04-24 03:38:48	lukelau	I thought about it, but thought it might be better to add later whenever a plugin actively needs it
2019-04-24 03:39:04	lukelau	I don’t have any real excuse other than that
2019-04-24 03:40:23	mpickering	It's an interesting one to design an API for
2019-04-24 03:40:55	mpickering	It's not clear to me how to properly interrupt the execution of a haskell function from within the haskell process
2019-04-24 03:41:12	mpickering	Perhaps if you fork it to another thread
2019-04-24 03:47:12	lukelau	Yeah, it’s not immediately obvious if cancelling should be a function passed like the (Core.Progress -> IO ()) func that throws an exception, or if it should just be trusted that the user will finish up soon
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2019-04-24 03:47:36	lukelau	And when a window/progress/cancel notification is sent, it still needs to send a window/progress/done notification
2019-04-24 03:48:17	mpickering	The only way I can think to do this is with forkIO and throwTo
2019-04-24 03:48:18	lukelau	alanz: that paths issue is very much real, i should have trusted you more, now spending my time blowing away packages in the cabal global store haha
2019-04-24 03:53:18	mpickering	That sounds bad
2019-04-24 04:06:52	mpickering	Is there a MonadBaseControl instance for IdeM? 
2019-04-24 04:09:46	mpickering	Should be able to as it's a stack of readerTs
2019-04-24 04:10:17	mpickering	Then you can use something like lifted-async to fork and interrupt an action
2019-04-24 04:10:29	mpickering	I'll try that out tomorros
2019-04-24 04:43:25	lukelau	mpickering: Not that we’ve added, that does sound better though
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2019-04-24 14:45:56	mpickering	can someone explain to me what the point of IdeDeferM?
2019-04-24 14:52:42	mpickering	ah I see now
2019-04-24 14:52:47	mpickering	it is simpler than I thought
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2019-04-24 14:54:08	fendor	i will start documenting the monads this week
2019-04-24 14:54:14	fendor	when i finished #1170
2019-04-24 15:03:55	mpickering	But why is it a free monad at all
2019-04-24 15:04:11	mpickering	It would be simpler if it was just a normal datatype which wrapped an IdeM a
2019-04-24 15:06:25	wz1000	mpickering: the free monad allows you to defer some action until the compilation products of multiple modules are available
2019-04-24 15:07:25	mpickering	where is this used?
2019-04-24 15:10:54	mpickering	there's no way to lift an IdeM into an IdeDeferM is there? the only way to do that is to write functions polymorphic in MonadIde
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2019-04-24 15:53:34	mpickering	ok I realised you could just use `lift` to do that
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2019-04-24 21:09:36	mpickering	alanz: Have you thought about going all in and using `rio` as an alternative prelude for HIE?
2019-04-24 21:09:48	mpickering	At the moment it's a bit weird having three ReaderT monads stacked on top of each other
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2019-04-25 16:53:18	mpickering	fendor: Did you sort out your issue with the tests?
2019-04-25 16:53:48	fendor	no
2019-04-25 16:54:03	fendor	i just got depressed and didnt do anything yesterday
2019-04-25 16:54:10	fendor	s/depressed/annoyed
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2019-04-25 16:56:56	fendor	at the moment, my hope is that michael pj solves that problem and I can ignore it until then.
2019-04-25 16:57:38	mpickering	can I help at all?
2019-04-25 17:00:05	fendor	maybe, currently i have no idea what the problem is. But I will find a work around, due to the work of power-fungus, i have a vm in which i can execute the tests
2019-04-25 17:03:39	mpickering	ok let me know if you need anything to get you unstuck
2019-04-25 17:06:23	fendor	it might make sense to refactor the test suite into a executable
2019-04-25 17:06:27	fendor	like cabal does it
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2019-04-25 17:08:14	mpickering	isn't the testsuite already an executable?
2019-04-25 17:09:30	fendor	there is a test-suite, but I dont know if I can define parameters for that.
2019-04-25 17:09:37	fendor	if I already can, that would be really helpful.
2019-04-25 17:11:06	fendor	should be possible, since it is a main.
2019-04-25 17:14:10	mpickering	why do you want to pass additional parameters to the test executalbe?
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2019-04-25 17:37:45	fendor_	mpickering, integration tests use stack to get the location of hie
2019-04-25 17:38:08	fendor_	if you did not build the correct executable, this may hurt.
2019-04-25 17:38:26	fendor_	moreover, these are integration tests, they ought to work with any executable of hie, right? 
2019-04-25 17:38:46	fendor_	but idk yet if we really want that, will look into that
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2019-04-25 17:49:28	mpickering	perhaps that's why the tests never worked for me as I never built with stack
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2019-04-25 17:52:41	fendor_	possibly, yes
2019-04-25 17:52:48	fendor_	this ought to be changed anyway
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2019-04-25 17:54:29	mpickering	https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/ac9x19/how_to_find_the_path_to_an_executable_in_the_test/
2019-04-25 17:57:36	fendor_	that is a  great resource!
2019-04-25 17:59:26	michaelpj	build-tool-depends is the right answer, isn't it? it's just that we had some problems with that
2019-04-25 18:02:30	fendor_	michaelpj, do the tests run, now, except for the expected fails?
2019-04-25 18:04:47	michaelpj	fendor_: a) I haven't fixed the liquid haskell dep yet, b) I need to try out the functional tests with build-tool-depends
2019-04-25 18:05:16	fendor_	so, it is possible to run the unit-tests, right?
2019-04-25 18:05:38	fendor_	func-test will have problems, because func-test finds the hie executable via `stack exec hie`
2019-04-25 18:06:50	michaelpj	well, if the build-tool-depends thing works then I think we could ditch the `stack exec`
2019-04-25 18:07:09	michaelpj	the other unit tests work for me
2019-04-25 18:07:39	fendor_	that's great to hear!
2019-04-25 18:07:53	fendor_	how can we find the location of the executable with build-tool-depends?
2019-04-25 18:08:33	mpickering	you just call `hie`
2019-04-25 18:08:38	mpickering	and the right one will be on the path
2019-04-25 18:08:42	mpickering	(hopefully)
2019-04-25 18:09:32	michaelpj	yeah
2019-04-25 18:11:49	fendor_	who ensures that? cabal and stack?
2019-04-25 18:13:04	michaelpj	build-tool-depends says you have to put the executable on the path when building it (including running tests)
2019-04-25 18:13:15	mpickering	stack apparently does this as well
2019-04-25 18:13:16	michaelpj	I assume stack obeys this or lots  of stuff would be broken
2019-04-25 18:13:22	mpickering	https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/3k9xmv/how_to_find_an_executable_from_the_test_suite/cuwgrs2/
2019-04-25 18:14:16	fendor_	alright, sounds great
2019-04-25 18:14:17	michaelpj	bubba just did this, so it might just work if we get rid of the `stack exec`
2019-04-25 18:14:53	michaelpj	but see his comment: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1197
2019-04-25 18:15:12	fendor_	yeah, i have seen that.
2019-04-25 18:15:24	fendor_	ok, then I will conntinue to ignore this issue until somebody has solved it :)
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2019-04-25 19:53:24	mpickering	alanz: I'm really confused by the whole sourcegraph architecture 
2019-04-25 19:53:33	mpickering	That repo looks a bit adandoned 
2019-04-25 19:53:51	alanz	mpickering, I have never really looked at it, tbh
2019-04-25 19:54:04	alanz	but somewhere alone the line of they people there told me it was happening
2019-04-25 19:54:11	mpickering	Ok
2019-04-25 19:54:36	mpickering	I want to work out how to create a local indexed stackage package set as POC
2019-04-25 19:55:06	mpickering	I couldn't get the typescript nor python extensions working today though when I was testing 
2019-04-25 19:55:11	mpickering	Thanks for the link 
2019-04-25 19:56:48	alanz	sure. afk now
2019-04-25 19:57:33	mpickering	https://about.sourcegraph.com/blog/improving-language-support-in-2019
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2019-04-25 23:03:58	fendor_	i dont know what is happening, but for some reason, my locally built hie version always tries to use a ghc that is not installed... e.g. the path is just not correct. i nuked .stack-work and dist-newstyle, and dist but it still happens. Is it possible that i am missing something?
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2019-04-25 23:16:05	mpickering	hie shouldn’t call ghc itself?
2019-04-25 23:16:25	mpickering	at least not on my branch..
2019-04-25 23:17:13	mpickering	(actually a lie, but something I plan to fix)
2019-04-25 23:17:36	fendor_	idk, when i investigate hie with strings, i find the weird path
2019-04-25 23:17:50	fendor_	how do you develop? with cabal new-build or nix?
2019-04-25 23:19:20	mpickering	new-build
2019-04-25 23:19:36	mpickering	probably at the moment ghc is needed to instsll cabal-helper
2019-04-25 23:19:56	fendor_	so weird. I dont understand where this path is coming from
2019-04-25 23:20:02	mpickering	what path is it?
2019-04-25 23:21:40	fendor_	some /nix/store path
2019-04-25 23:21:47	fendor_	to an potentially old hie version
2019-04-25 23:21:54	fendor_	*ghc
2019-04-25 23:22:23	mpickering	What’s the full path? does it point to an executable?
2019-04-25 23:23:41	fendor_	yeah
2019-04-25 23:23:51	fendor_	"/nix/store/8vq01xmxlp9wxzilkw85rb621ag7nwmd-ghc-8.6.4/lib/ghc-8.6.4/settings"
2019-04-25 23:25:10	mpickering	that’s not an executable is it?
2019-04-25 23:26:01	mpickering	It looks like the libdir you have to pass to `runGhc`
2019-04-25 23:26:41	mpickering	Did you compile hie with this version of ghc and then garbage collect?
2019-04-25 23:27:20	fendor_	that is probably the cause, but I am using currently my installed ghc, afaik
2019-04-25 23:27:30	fendor_	you are right, it is a settings file
2019-04-25 23:27:35	fendor_	not an executable
2019-04-25 23:27:59	mpickering	It probably comes from the `libdir` variable in `ghc-paths` library
2019-04-25 23:27:59	mpickering	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-paths
2019-04-25 23:29:46	fendor_	oh dear.
2019-04-25 23:29:54	fendor_	so i have to recompile that?
2019-04-25 23:30:30	mpickering	I'm not sure how it had a stale path in it
2019-04-25 23:30:41	mpickering	are you using new-build?
2019-04-25 23:30:53	fendor_	yes
2019-04-25 23:30:55	fendor_	and it already worked
2019-04-25 23:31:10	mpickering	It seems that you probably used a slightly different version of ghc-8.6.4 at some point
2019-04-25 23:31:18	mpickering	and cabal wasn't smart enough to realise that it was different
2019-04-25 23:32:17	fendor_	hard to blame cabal for that
2019-04-25 23:32:46	mpickering	wouldn't have happened if you used nix to manage haskell dependencies
2019-04-25 23:33:35	fendor_	do you maintain a custom nix expr for that?
2019-04-25 23:33:51	mpickering	no I used new-build :P
2019-04-25 23:33:55	mpickering	*use
2019-04-25 23:34:19	fendor_	but so do I?
2019-04-25 23:34:29	mpickering	I haven't run into this problem but I could
2019-04-25 23:34:42	fendor_	what is different?
2019-04-25 23:35:13	mpickering	wel it seems that you updated your nixpkgs or something
2019-04-25 23:35:20	mpickering	and then garbage collected the old ghc
2019-04-25 23:35:25	mpickering	which I haven't done
2019-04-25 23:35:34	fendor_	true, I updates the stateVersion
2019-04-25 23:35:55	fendor_	soo... nuke cabal store?
2019-04-25 23:36:14	fendor_	would rather want to avoid that :D
2019-04-25 23:41:36	mpickering	you can remove just the ghc-paths bits probably (high risk ofc)
2019-04-25 23:42:51	fendor_	haha :D 
2019-04-25 23:47:48	fendor_	seems to work, ghc-paths is at least newly downloaded
2019-04-26 00:03:37	fendor_	what are all this X* Types in the HsExpr enum in ghc lib 8.6.4? The typemap relies a lot on that and older versions of ghc lib do not have that.
2019-04-26 00:08:53	mpickering	they are defined all over the place
2019-04-26 00:10:08	mpickering	but basically in older versions of ghc they are just in the normal data type rather than the extension field
2019-04-26 00:10:09	fendor_	what do they do? I suspect they have type information?
2019-04-26 00:10:19	fendor_	oh, ok, so, they ought to be there?
2019-04-26 00:10:20	mpickering	They contain information which is only added after certain passes
2019-04-26 00:10:34	mpickering	what do you mean?
2019-04-26 00:10:39	mpickering	they are guaranteed to be there by the types
2019-04-26 00:11:02	fendor_	i mean, can I obtain the same information in older ghc lib versions? For the typemap implementation
2019-04-26 00:11:03	mpickering	the idea is that it's easier to add extra stuff to a data type without modifying all the other passes
2019-04-26 00:11:06	mpickering	yes
2019-04-26 00:11:15	mpickering	but you'll have to use CPP
2019-04-26 00:11:17	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/hie-bios/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/GhcCompat.hs
2019-04-26 00:11:25	mpickering	might be some inspiration how to abstract this nicely using pattern synonyms
2019-04-26 00:12:00	mpickering	or for an older version of ghc, fall back to the slower ghc-mod version... not ideal but a quick way to fix it
2019-04-26 00:12:15	mpickering	Alan might not like that one though hehe
2019-04-26 00:12:24	fendor_	the fallback?
2019-04-26 00:12:52	mpickering	yes he won't like 8.4.4 being slow still
2019-04-26 00:13:03	fendor_	is it better with the typemap implementation?
2019-04-26 00:13:09	fendor_	noticeable?
2019-04-26 00:13:13	mpickering	I don't understand that question
2019-04-26 00:13:32	fendor_	is the new implementation really faster than the old one? 
2019-04-26 00:13:38	mpickering	yes?
2019-04-26 00:13:56	mpickering	didn't we talk about this already? it means it's possible to load GHC into hie
2019-04-26 00:14:04	mpickering	before, impossible
2019-04-26 00:14:20	fendor_	yeah we did, but I still cant really believe it.
2019-04-26 00:14:40	fendor_	alright, then I am gonna focus to make the pr work on more ghc versions before the next release
2019-04-26 00:15:05	mpickering	why not :P ?
2019-04-26 00:15:22	mpickering	the old version called `desugarExpr` a quadratic number of times
2019-04-26 00:15:39	fendor_	Mainly, because I dont really understand the changes
2019-04-26 00:16:02	mpickering	if you want to understand then I can explain tomorrow
2019-04-26 00:16:03	mpickering	gtg now
2019-04-26 00:16:16	mpickering	but basically before the types of all subexpressions were gathered
2019-04-26 00:16:20	mpickering	and now, just the types of the leaves
2019-04-26 00:16:42	fendor_	this is I understand, I dont understand how it is actually done.
2019-04-26 00:16:59	fendor_	that'd be great! I have to go, too.
2019-04-26 00:17:10	fendor_	then I am gonna ask you tomorrow again!
2019-04-26 00:18:38	fendor_	ciao!
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2019-04-26 03:30:15	lukelau	fendor: Are those X types for the trees that grow stuff?
2019-04-26 03:30:32	lukelau	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/wikis/implementing-trees-that-grow
2019-04-26 03:31:06	lukelau	Oh hey I see alanz in that article 👋 
2019-04-26 03:31:10	fendor	i think so, yes. Huh, I suppose I have to read more the GHC wiki... 
2019-04-26 03:31:39	lukelau	If you have some spare time theres a paper on it, its fairly digestible i found: http://www.jucs.org/jucs_23_1/trees_that_grow/jucs_23_01_0042_0062_najd.pdf
2019-04-26 03:33:06	fendor	for every haskell datastructure, there is a at least 20 page paper :D 
2019-04-26 03:33:19	fendor	stil havent finish the one for dinger trees 
2019-04-26 03:33:22	fendor	*finger
2019-04-26 03:35:25	fendor	thanks for the resources!
2019-04-26 03:36:11	lukelau	fendor: lol
2019-04-26 03:37:35	lukelau	The authentic FP experience is going onto the hackage page  for a package to search for documentation, only to find a readme with a link to an arxiv.org paper
2019-04-26 03:38:15	fendor	hehe, agreed
2019-04-26 03:38:38	fendor	with outdated syntax and changed semantics since the package has been publsihed
2019-04-26 03:48:53	mpickering	lukelau: Did you notice as well that I think you put the cancellation request in the wrong datatype?
2019-04-26 03:49:36	mpickering	I’m also not sure how well UnliftIO plays with the ghc mod transformer
2019-04-26 03:50:14	mpickering	I think that might be StateT like
2019-04-26 03:50:37	lukelau	I haven’t seen the cancellation support PR yet, taking a look now
2019-04-26 03:52:18	mpickering	completely untested.. not sure it’s the right idea
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2019-04-26 03:53:12	lukelau	Ah damn, thats a pretty big one! Thanks for catching all these slip ups
2019-04-26 03:53:27	lukelau	That should definitely be client->server
2019-04-26 03:55:25	lukelau	Ok this makes a lot more sense: I had been reading the cancel request as the server sending the cancellation request to the client which seemed redundant with the window/progress/done notification
2019-04-26 03:59:02	lukelau	Will you make a PR for https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-lsp/commit/807482a037bcf936c4df249403fdd3a8f44712d9?
2019-04-26 04:00:19	mpickering	just the change to change client/server around?
2019-04-26 04:00:26	mpickering	not the async stuff as well?
2019-04-26 04:05:29	lukelau	We can look at that in the PR
2019-04-26 04:05:59	lukelau	It does seem a bit harsh to kill the users thread though
2019-04-26 04:06:12	lukelau	Although I can’t really think of how else I would do it
2019-04-26 04:08:30	lukelau	I think this could probably be a part of a larger dicussion of how haskell-lsp delegates to the user of the library, since there is supposed to be cancellation support for requests in general, see J.CancelNotification
2019-04-26 04:08:46	lukelau	But at the moment it just hands that to the user IIRC
2019-04-26 04:08:52	lukelau	*that off
2019-04-26 04:11:00	mpickering	I suppose it is plausible a user might want to do some cleanup
2019-04-26 04:11:35	mpickering	but seeing as hie is the only real user of this library and this feature is very new it’s hard to predict
2019-04-26 04:11:44	lukelau	yeah
2019-04-26 04:11:52	lukelau	Would it be any different if we throw a custom exception to that thread?
2019-04-26 04:12:19	lukelau	Like `instance Exception LSPCancelException`
2019-04-26 04:13:24	lukelau	At least then the user can catch it if they want to do said cleanup
2019-04-26 04:14:11	mpickering	 I think that cancel throws something like AsyncCancel already could be caught but a custom exception sounds decent as well
2019-04-26 04:14:14	mpickering	good idea
2019-04-26 04:15:02	mpickering	Does vscode support cancellation already?
2019-04-26 04:15:12	mpickering	In the insiders build?
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2019-04-26 19:28:13	fendor	mpickering, I think, ghc 8.4.4 is now supported by the new type map implementation
2019-04-26 19:28:18	fendor	at least, it compiles right now
2019-04-26 19:28:21	mpickering	nice
2019-04-26 19:28:40	fendor	adding support for ghc 8.2.1 now
2019-04-26 19:37:44	mpickering	That should be quite like 8.4.4
2019-04-26 19:44:50	fendor	it is
2019-04-26 19:44:59	fendor	only difference is the type def so far
2019-04-26 19:47:03	fendor	ok, done. Now hopefully only the tests fail, no longer the compilation
2019-04-26 20:20:44	fendor	now for all ghcs, the same test fails! nice
2019-04-26 20:28:02	mpickering	a test you added or other random ones?
2019-04-26 20:32:35	fendor	there is a test for hover
2019-04-26 20:32:49	mpickering	which passes or fails?
2019-04-26 20:32:52	fendor	fails
2019-04-26 20:32:57	fendor	only that one fails
2019-04-26 20:33:07	fendor	that two, but they test virtually the same thing
2019-04-26 20:33:08	mpickering	ok nearly there then
2019-04-26 20:33:13	fendor	https://circleci.com/gh/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/6575?utm_campaign=vcs-integration-link&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=github-build-link
2019-04-26 20:33:35	fendor	yeah, just have to delete the tests and everythings fine! 
2019-04-26 20:34:50	fendor	however, the failing test is about intervals. E.g. for `foo x = x + 3` at the second x, the type map should return the type of every subexpression
2019-04-26 20:35:16	mpickering	the whole point is that it doesn't anymore
2019-04-26 20:35:22	mpickering	as it's too inefficient to compute
2019-04-26 20:35:24	fendor	alright, then it really should be deleted
2019-04-26 20:35:34	mpickering	you just need to update the expected output
2019-04-26 20:35:36	fendor	I will add other tests
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2019-04-26 20:50:59	infinisil	Hey, I've just finished up this repo for providing Nix builds for all HIE versions: https://github.com/infinisil/all-hies
2019-04-26 20:52:02	infinisil	Intended to be the next-gen hie-nix
2019-04-26 20:52:37	infinisil	I'll make some annoucements here and there, if you have any feedback that would be great :)
2019-04-26 20:54:10	fendor	infinisil, looks nice! Can it also be used to build an arbitrary commit of hie?
2019-04-26 20:55:01	infinisil	fendor: With very little modification yes, I coded it with this in mind
2019-04-26 20:55:14	fendor	thats nice! 
2019-04-26 20:55:29	fendor	another hopeful question, can I run the tests with it? :D 
2019-04-26 20:55:42	infinisil	fendor: Like, what kind of tests?
2019-04-26 20:56:05	fendor	the func-test suite, but I suppose, that is not the purpose of this project
2019-04-26 20:56:56	infinisil	I haven't thought of that no, that's indeed not a goal
2019-04-26 20:57:12	infinisil	fendor: Can't you run the tests from cabal directly?
2019-04-26 20:57:26	fendor	no, func-test suite depends on stack :/ 
2019-04-26 20:57:36	fendor	and it jsut fails
2019-04-26 20:57:49	infinisil	Why is that?
2019-04-26 20:57:57	fendor	no idea.
2019-04-26 20:58:15	infinisil	I'm pretty sure stack should work pretty well even on NixOS
2019-04-26 20:58:44	fendor	I am hesitant to invest time into it
2019-04-26 20:59:10	infinisil	I see
2019-04-26 21:00:14	fendor	and I just hope that someone fixes it :D 
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2019-04-26 21:04:14	infinisil	I made a note regarding other HIE versions here https://github.com/Infinisil/all-hies/issues/2
2019-04-26 21:06:57	michaelpj	we really should be able to make the functional tests not depend on stack
2019-04-26 21:07:02	michaelpj	but maybe we're blocked by the cabal bug :/
2019-04-26 21:44:17	fendor	at least, I can execute unit tests
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2019-04-26 21:47:07	power-fungus	currently, `cabal new-build` fails after a fresh pull
2019-04-26 21:47:35	power-fungus	the issue seems to be incorrect version-bounds on `haskell-lsp` and `haskell-lsp-types`.
2019-04-26 21:47:43	power-fungus	fendor said the issue is known
2019-04-26 21:47:56	power-fungus	should a work on a PR to fix the version bounds?
2019-04-26 21:49:51	michaelpj	I thought bubba said he'd pushed a hackage revision fixing it?
2019-04-26 21:53:14	power-fungus	still, the upgrade to haskell-lsp 0.10 is due on hie-side and hie-plugin-api needs to be adapted accordingly
2019-04-26 21:53:46	michaelpj	maybe better to just restrict the bounds in `hie` for now
2019-04-26 21:54:30	michaelpj	also, does anyone know why we're using submodules intstead of `source-package-repository` (cabal) and `location` (stack)? 
2019-04-26 21:55:48	power-fungus	should I do a PR for the version-restrictions?
2019-04-26 21:56:03	michaelpj	I guess so?
2019-04-26 21:59:00	alanz	michaelpj, we are using submodules to make the management of all the stack and cabal projects simpler
2019-04-26 21:59:27	alanz	otherwise you need to specify the upstream repo and commit in 8 different places
2019-04-26 21:59:37	alanz	now you only need to remember to add it as a local dep
2019-04-26 21:59:48	alanz	ideally all this stuff ends up on hackage. Or pantry.
2019-04-26 22:00:43	michaelpj	well, given that we're copying it all into many copies of stack.yaml I don't see that it's much worse to copy the stanza with the commit, but I take your point
2019-04-26 22:02:27	michaelpj	bah, so much for my attempt to add liquidhaskell as a submodule - it pins a specific version of the ghc lib in its cabal file, so it'll work for almost none of our configurations
2019-04-26 22:02:42	michaelpj	guess we're better off trying to get it as a "system dep"
2019-04-26 22:05:51	michaelpj	huh, liquidhaskell builds on nixos-unstable now
2019-04-26 22:05:53	michaelpj	that's nice
2019-04-26 22:08:00	alanz	great
2019-04-26 22:08:08	alanz	And I notice cabal-cache is now a thing
2019-04-26 22:08:27	alanz	I wonder it can help us anywhere
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2019-04-26 22:09:05	alanz	syncs binary artifacts for new-build
2019-04-26 22:10:16	michaelpj	could be nice for folks not using nix
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2019-04-26 22:10:50	alanz	liquidhaskell is an odd thing, as it only builds with a limited set of GHC versions. So it almost needs to be a system dependency, like having make or some such
2019-04-26 22:11:00	michaelpj	yeah, I agree
2019-04-26 22:11:21	michaelpj	it looks like the version now in nixpkgs (6.0 prerelease?) has slightly different output
2019-04-26 22:11:40	michaelpj	I'm going to put up a PR to make the tests match that, not sure if that will break them for other people
2019-04-26 22:11:54	alanz	ideally the tests should be updated to deal with all the versions, *because* it is a system dep
2019-04-26 22:12:12	michaelpj	hm yes, we could just accept either version
2019-04-26 22:12:23	alanz	and we can't force particular users to use a particular version, they may be relying on quirks of a specific one
2019-04-26 22:12:54	alanz	perhaps do a "liquid --version" somewhere,and choose a test suite accordingly
2019-04-26 22:13:08	alanz	but the parse must be able to handle both/all
2019-04-26 22:16:25	mpickering	does anyone use the liquid haskell mode?
2019-04-26 22:16:29	mpickering	I'm guessing not
2019-04-26 22:16:37	michaelpj	I don't think the structure of the messages has changed, but they report slightly different positions now
2019-04-26 22:17:37	alanz	mpickering, I know that Niki Vazou does
2019-04-26 22:17:50	alanz	she switched to vscode because of the support I put into HIE
2019-04-26 22:17:54	mpickering	ok
2019-04-26 22:18:17	mpickering	but we have to balance whether it is worth our time supporting it when it causes issues like this with tests and only working with certain GHC configurations
2019-04-26 22:18:29	alanz	I disagree
2019-04-26 22:18:40	alanz	We need to sort out the tests.
2019-04-26 22:18:59	alanz	What could be possible, is to disable certain tests for certain platforms
2019-04-26 22:19:01	michaelpj	so in this case I'm wondering about just making the tests slightly less prescriptive, e.g. not worrying about the exact form of the message or the exact location
2019-04-26 22:19:11	alanz	so e.g. on nix if there is not liquid exe, skip the test
2019-04-26 22:19:26	michaelpj	well, what I'm hoping is that we can just make sure you get the executable
2019-04-26 22:19:44	mpickering	does liquid haskell support 8.6?
2019-04-26 22:19:58	alanz	Initially the tests had expected results stored in git. So we could check the parsing of those
2019-04-26 22:20:26	alanz	then we should have a separate test that the exe is actually invoked, and generates some output of generally correct form
2019-04-26 22:20:52	alanz	But I think the expected results got .gitignored, as they are being generated which clobbers them
2019-04-26 22:21:01	alanz	so maybe a clearer separation there makes sense
2019-04-26 22:21:11	alanz	mpickering, I don't know at this point
2019-04-26 22:21:51	alanz	BTW, I understand that Niki is planning on doing some guided proof work for liquid haskell, using hie's code action support for it
2019-04-26 22:22:02	mpickering	I tried to get the tests working on my branch today but something is broken as they hang
2019-04-26 22:22:07	mpickering	but I think that's my fault
2019-04-26 22:22:15	alanz	which can potentially spill over for normal haskell, giving case split that works properly etc
2019-04-26 22:22:42	alanz	"Conversational programming" ftw
2019-04-26 22:22:54	mpickering	what's the problem with implementing case split? It seems to me you don't need to the full ghc-exactprint to implement it in a robust way
2019-04-26 22:23:22	alanz	well, I think it is more about getting the ui right
2019-04-26 22:23:34	alanz	presenting the right options, in a way that is sane
2019-04-26 22:23:46	mpickering	I suppose it is more difficult when you have GADTs
2019-04-26 22:24:00	alanz	yes. Or very large data structures
2019-04-26 22:24:05	alanz	Try it with HsExpr
2019-04-26 22:24:19	mpickering	alright, I'll go back to being concerned with hover ;)
2019-04-26 22:24:42	mpickering	I have some vague plans for this weekend to add some tests to my branch
2019-04-26 22:24:48	mpickering	and get the existing tests working
2019-04-26 22:25:02	alanz	But the point is that with conversational programming, you can focus on having analysers that can suggest the next step to take when you work, based on whatever inferences they may be able to make
2019-04-26 22:25:40	alanz	I am hoping to be able to spend some time on things this weekend do. Its been a bit hectic for me this last while, im actually travelling at the moment
2019-04-26 22:48:26	fendor	mpickering, the tests are done, type map implementation is per se done, i will update the comment to one of the functions and the tests have a bunch of TODOS, in general, whether it is ok if the type information is missing at that location
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2019-04-26 23:12:17	mpickering	fendor: Do you have a specific question you want me to answer?
2019-04-26 23:12:59	fendor	let x = 7 in x, the occurrence of the first x has no type
2019-04-26 23:13:28	fendor	for some reason, there are two entries in `foo (Just x)` for `Maybe Int`
2019-04-26 23:14:13	fendor	and last but not least, when I go to the function definition of `foo :: Int`, it does not give me the type of foo in the type map.
2019-04-26 23:14:21	fendor	however, when I hover, i see the type.
2019-04-26 23:14:24	fendor	why
2019-04-26 23:14:25	fendor	?
2019-04-26 23:15:10	mpickering	`let x = 7 in x` will need another case in the traversal because the first `x` is not an expression?
2019-04-26 23:17:10	mpickering	For the pattern case, it's because it finds the types of all sub patterns 
2019-04-26 23:17:21	mpickering	So you have two patterns (Just x) and Just x
2019-04-26 23:17:51	fendor	but we do want that in the let expression, right?
2019-04-26 23:18:02	fendor	great, so something like that, but wasnt sure
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2019-04-26 23:19:34	mpickering	I think we do want to allow hovering over the binder in a let expression yes
2019-04-26 23:19:48	mpickering	Does it not work for hovering over numbers as well?
2019-04-26 23:20:52	mpickering	Can you add a test which has a data type with a deriving clause
2019-04-26 23:21:00	mpickering	and you hover over the deriving clause type
2019-04-26 23:23:41	mpickering	for example: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/issues/16575
2019-04-26 23:24:56	fendor	sure, will add that
2019-04-26 23:25:25	fendor	hovering over number literals did not seem to work
2019-04-26 23:29:46	fendor	hm, maybe that is fake news, maybe I just fucked up the location
2019-04-26 23:33:08	fendor	then it is just not in the typemap? or the ghc-mod command just works different at all?
2019-04-26 23:34:10	mpickering	what file are you talking about
2019-04-26 23:34:21	mpickering	I think there's a bug in the GHC implementation https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/blame/master/compiler/hieFile/HieAst.hs#L481
2019-04-26 23:35:08	fendor	you mean what the test file is?
2019-04-26 23:35:15	fendor	Types.hs 
2019-04-26 23:35:29	mpickering	but what should be in the map but isn't
2019-04-26 23:35:44	fendor	well, type of the literal
2019-04-26 23:36:12	mpickering	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1186/files#diff-f212026a13a58b6ad96ee2a6cfeb05c6R123
2019-04-26 23:36:21	mpickering	Change this line to pattern match on `tyOpt`
2019-04-26 23:36:26	mpickering	and return the type if it's a Just
2019-04-26 23:36:29	mpickering	then it will work I think
2019-04-26 23:38:29	fendor	alright, ill try
2019-04-26 23:49:14	fendor	now it also cotnains the function signature of which the expression is part of.
2019-04-26 23:51:45	mpickering	is that good or bad
2019-04-26 23:52:10	fendor	i dunno
2019-04-26 23:52:14	fendor	just noticed it
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2019-04-27 00:11:17	fendor	mpickering, the bug is now documented in the tests, e.g. what happens when you hover over the Typeclasss in a deriving clause
2019-04-27 00:11:30	mpickering	ok that's good
2019-04-27 00:11:40	mpickering	should I make a ticket?
2019-04-27 00:11:57	fendor	in hie or ghc?
2019-04-27 00:12:06	fendor	ghc already has one, so i suppose you mean hie?
2019-04-27 00:12:08	fendor	probably, yeah
2019-04-27 00:13:25	fendor	does hover use the ghc-mod command "type"?
2019-04-27 00:18:07	mpickering	I don't think so directly
2019-04-27 00:19:41	fendor	where does it get the type from then?
2019-04-27 00:24:05	fendor	so, I didnt excatly add tests for hover, but rather the ghc-mod command "type"
2019-04-27 00:24:28	fendor	these I was able to implement as unit-tests
2019-04-27 00:24:41	fendor	I dont know whether we can unit-test hover requests?
2019-04-27 00:28:45	mpickering	ah they both come from the typemap I think
2019-04-27 00:28:48	mpickering	as you have discovered
2019-04-27 00:28:51	mpickering	so that is good enough
2019-04-27 00:29:00	mpickering	I'm not the expert on testing things..
2019-04-27 00:29:04	mpickering	FYI: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/838
2019-04-27 00:32:13	fendor	haha, nice ! 
2019-04-27 00:32:17	fendor	he already answered#
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2019-04-27 14:40:01	mpickering	infinisil: The situation is that if you build a GHC API program and statically link it then it uses the linker built into GHC to load the object files for dependencies
2019-04-27 14:40:16	mpickering	If you dynamically link the executable then it uses the system linker
2019-04-27 14:40:40	mpickering	The one built into GHC is a lot slower than the system linker
2019-04-27 14:42:02	mpickering	and it is even slower if you have --split-sections and --enable-library-for-ghci turned on
2019-04-27 14:42:21	mpickering	and afaik, only nix had both of these turned on
2019-04-27 14:42:35	mpickering	So if you upgrade your nixpkgs then only --split-sections is enabled
2019-04-27 14:42:48	mpickering	which means the system linker is still slower but it's not unbearable. 
2019-04-27 14:42:49	mpickering	see: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/issues/15524
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2019-04-27 16:18:41	mouse07410	There's a plugin I'm trying to use that depends on ghc-mod. ghc-mod itself doesn't build any more (dead, AFAICT). HIE, however, builds fine, and seems to include ghc-mod. So, I wonder if I could use HIE directly with that plugin, with minimal (or maybe even no) changes to it?
2019-04-27 16:21:14	fendor	you can mention the name of the plugin , so we can take a look at it, too
2019-04-27 16:25:29	mouse07410	Oh sure. It's HaskForce, and it lives on GitHub (don't have it's URL at hand, sorry).
2019-04-27 16:28:55	mpickering	you would probably have to modify HaskForce
2019-04-27 16:29:03	mpickering	as I imagine it uses ghc-mod as a library
2019-04-27 16:34:45	alanz	mouse07410, https://github.com/carymrobbins/intellij-haskforce?
2019-04-27 16:34:49	fendor	also, isnt this like a whole intellij plugin? What feature do you want to use?
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2019-04-27 16:35:23	alanz	your best bet would be to try to use the fork of ghc-mod(-core) that hie uses, in haskforce
2019-04-27 16:35:32	alanz	and not try to integrate into hie at all
2019-04-27 16:38:25	fendor	where do the type information from hover originate from?
2019-04-27 16:40:28	fendor	ghc-mod plugin?
2019-04-27 16:53:16	mpickering	fendor: It comes from the Plugin/GhcMod.hs file
2019-04-27 16:53:21	mpickering	but it just depends on the TypeMap
2019-04-27 16:53:33	mpickering	I think it might actually call the typeAtCmd 
2019-04-27 16:53:34	mpickering	thinking about it
2019-04-27 16:53:58	fendor	something's off then, because I can see sometimes the type of literals, but not in the test-case
2019-04-27 16:54:23	fendor	you mean, the ghci :type-at?
2019-04-27 16:54:31	mpickering	no it's nothing to do with that
2019-04-27 16:54:41	mpickering	I think there's a function called that
2019-04-27 16:54:43	mpickering	not sure though sorry
2019-04-27 16:55:00	fendor	alright, gonna investigate
2019-04-27 16:55:03	mpickering	Put your example file in a gist along with the type map and the output of `-ddump-tc-ast` if possible
2019-04-27 16:55:17	mpickering	fendor: What error do you get for #1207 btw?
2019-04-27 16:55:55	fendor	wait a second
2019-04-27 16:56:35	fendor	have to boot my notebook
2019-04-27 16:57:50	fendor	mpickering, I get a cannot satisfy -package-id aeson error
2019-04-27 16:58:02	mpickering	paste the whole thing please
2019-04-27 16:58:37	fendor	for some reason I have to rebuild the project, then I am gonna paste the log
2019-04-27 17:00:09	mpickering	Is it easy for you to test building a dynamically linked version of hie?
2019-04-27 17:01:11	fendor	never tried it, power-fungus is experimenting with it, though
2019-04-27 17:01:56	mpickering	how are you building? I know it is easy with cabal..
2019-04-27 17:02:18	fendor	same, cabal and sometimes stack
2019-04-27 17:04:15	mpickering	You can put `enable-executable-dynamic` in your cabal.projet
2019-04-27 17:04:58	mpickering	sorry "executable-dynamic: True"
2019-04-27 17:06:34	fendor	that would improve the compile-time, or what is advantage again?
2019-04-27 17:07:58	mpickering	I am wondering if it fixes #1207
2019-04-27 17:08:37	fendor	alright, can try that
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2019-04-27 17:09:32	fendor_	mpickering, logs https://gist.github.com/fendor/4d7a8a5bb43b762a03847ecbfb35582f
2019-04-27 17:09:38	fendor_	the last line seems interesting
2019-04-27 17:13:44	mpickering	I think that's a different failure
2019-04-27 17:14:01	mpickering	because it needs to use some c source that it can't find
2019-04-27 17:14:04	fendor	it is a different failure than I thought
2019-04-27 17:15:01	fendor	yeah... probably right. I will try to bump lts version and see if this is the same error
2019-04-27 17:16:43	fendor	btw, for typemap, what do I need to traverse? I thought, maybe I could match on HsLet in HsExpr, but you said, let is not an expression?
2019-04-27 17:17:36	mpickering	You can match on HsLet in HsExpr
2019-04-27 17:18:57	fendor	and it does what i would expecT?
2019-04-27 17:20:11	mpickering	Yes my point was that the `x` in `let x = foo` is not an expression or a pattern
2019-04-27 17:21:21	mpickering	See the note FunBind vs PatBind in GHC
2019-04-27 17:21:33	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/hjvLFkGX/
2019-04-27 17:22:07	mpickering	It's probably easier to write another traversal which directly finds `HsBindLR` rather than go via matching on HsLet
2019-04-27 17:22:37	fendor	alright, thanks!
2019-04-27 17:25:49	fendor	funny, building cabal new-install errors out at InstallPlan.hs
2019-04-27 17:55:05	fendor_	If I understand that correctly, I have to match on the Constructor FunBind. But where do get the type of the funBind? I can get the types of the Patterns in the Matchgroups, I think, which I do not want.
2019-04-27 18:03:31	fendor_	think I got it, IdP with varType
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2019-04-27 18:16:11	fendor_	now more redundant information is added back to the typemap
2019-04-27 18:16:19	fendor_	dunno whether this is wished
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2019-04-27 18:39:07	mouse07410	alanz: (apologies for delayed response) yes that's a complete plugin.
2019-04-27 18:43:24	mouse07410	fendor: I want to use the whole plugin, not a specific single feature of it. Syntax highlighting, error detection/display, auto-completion prompt, documentation upon hovering over <whatever>, project management (deal with/build the entire project, e.g., with stack or cabal, rather than a single file like what VSCode does)...
2019-04-27 18:45:59	infinisil	mpickering: thanks for the explanation in https://github.com/domenkozar/hie-nix/issues/59
2019-04-27 18:46:02	mouse07410	alanz: I don't think I understand. What's ghc-mod(-core)? I wasn't able to build ANYTHING from ANY of ghc-mod forks. But HIE builds OK.
2019-04-27 18:46:17	infinisil	Would be really neat if this allowed me to use TH again
2019-04-27 18:49:24	mpickering	infinisil: So you can't use TH because it causes the tooling to hang?
2019-04-27 18:49:39	mpickering	ah I read your comment now
2019-04-27 18:49:50	infinisil	Well it doesn't hang, just takes so long
2019-04-27 18:50:52	infinisil	And because emacs has some problems with parsing getting out of sync, have to restart it a lot, which would mean 5 min wait every 10 minutes or so :/
2019-04-27 18:50:55	mpickering	ah yes, so either update your nixpkgs or dynamically link
2019-04-27 18:52:16	infinisil	mpickering: Could we turn off --split-sections in nixpkgs as well actually?
2019-04-27 18:52:58	mpickering	split-sections reduces the size of object files by quite a lot
2019-04-27 18:53:15	mpickering	You probably won't notice the difference
2019-04-27 18:53:21	mpickering	unless you are loading very big libraries
2019-04-27 18:53:31	mpickering	but they still load in the matter of seconds rather than minutes
2019-04-27 18:54:50	infinisil	What's the advantage of keeping it?
2019-04-27 18:55:31	fendor_	mouse07410, this is not what hie is designed for. I doubt that this is really possible
2019-04-27 18:55:33	fendor_	or feasible
2019-04-27 18:56:12	mpickering	infinisil: https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/8.4.2/docs/html/users_guide/phases.html#ghc-flag--split-sections
2019-04-27 18:57:33	infinisil	mpickering: i see, so smaller closure vs faster ghci loading times with TH
2019-04-27 18:57:54	mpickering	faster ghci loading times when using the built-in linker yes
2019-04-27 18:58:12	mpickering	most people use the system linker as ghc is usually dynamically linked
2019-04-27 18:58:24	mpickering	but in this particular case you run into it
2019-04-27 18:59:15	infinisil	Ah right, because HIE uses the ghc API and is statically linked it uses the builtin linker, correct?
2019-04-27 19:03:57	mouse07410	fendor_: what do you mean? I thought HIE was designed to provide support to IDE plugins, like what intero and ghc-mod do?
2019-04-27 19:04:05	mpickering	infinisil: exactly
2019-04-27 19:04:30	mpickering	I'm not sure if this is a bug or not
2019-04-27 19:04:36	mpickering	but it's how things currently work
2019-04-27 19:05:41	infinisil	I see. Depending on how much worse the closure size is for nixpkgs without split-sections, it might be worth turning it off
2019-04-27 19:06:27	mpickering	before split-sections there was split-objs
2019-04-27 19:06:31	mpickering	I don't think turning it off is a good idea
2019-04-27 19:07:08	mpickering	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/issues/11445
2019-04-27 19:12:22	fendor_	mouse07410, haskforce is a plugin in a different sense than hie intends. haskforce is a plugin for intellij, it is designed to implement everything, from building a project to running hlint on the files and formatting
2019-04-27 19:13:09	fendor_	hie is designed to implement lsp and compose small applications as plugins. Formatters, Linters and building the project are plugins in the sense of hie
2019-04-27 19:13:35	fendor_	haskforce is in that sense more like hie itself.
2019-04-27 19:13:52	fendor_	haskforce is rather an ide
2019-04-27 19:14:53	infinisil	mpickering: Could perhaps HIE be changed to use the system linker in all cases?
2019-04-27 19:15:34	mpickering	There is no way to do that other than dynamically link the executable 
2019-04-27 19:15:53	mpickering	Which is why I think it might be a bug
2019-04-27 19:16:05	infinisil	Hmm alright
2019-04-27 19:16:09	mpickering	I don't know enough about linking though to think it through
2019-04-27 19:16:24	 *	infinisil doesn't either
2019-04-27 19:36:38	fendor_	mpickering, #1186 should be ready for merge, would you mind checking that performance is still better? I expect that RAM usage is increased again.
2019-04-27 19:40:01	mouse07410	fendor_: is haskforce much different than a linter, a formatter, and a few other things that an LSP wouldn't care for? And doesn't HIE do everything that ghc-mod did, plus more?
2019-04-27 19:40:58	fendor_	i dont know, but Haskforce is in my opinion a full blown ide. I dont know how you would integrate that into hie.
2019-04-27 19:42:01	mouse07410	I would expect hie integrated the same way as ghc-mod currently is, as AFAIK it is needed exactly as LSP
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2019-04-27 20:02:15	infinisil	mpickering: Is this correct that enableSharedExecutables (which turns on --executable-dynamic in cabals flags), controls whether it's a dynamically or statically linked executable? 
2019-04-27 20:02:59	mpickering	infinisil: I believe so
2019-04-27 20:03:22	infinisil	There's great news then, because the closure size increase is very minimal for HIE
2019-04-27 20:05:56	mpickering	Domen seemed to say that it doubled the closure size?
2019-04-27 20:06:14	infinisil	I believe when domenkozar determined an increase from 6GB to 13GB in closure size he just stopped using justStaticExecutables
2019-04-27 20:06:39	infinisil	Which also meant not using `isLibrary = false`
2019-04-27 20:07:04	mpickering	I didn't feel confident with how the nix haskell packaging worked to try to do this myself
2019-04-27 20:07:54	infinisil	I'll test to see if this increases the performance for loading TH packages with HIE
2019-04-27 20:07:59	infinisil	(later today)
2019-04-27 20:14:02	mpickering	infinisil: One good project to test with is jsaddle-dom
2019-04-27 20:14:50	infinisil	I can just use my nixbot and slap a TemplateHaskell in any file. Would take ~4 minutes originally
2019-04-27 20:15:54	infinisil	Ah I mentioned this in an issue at some point even: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/519#issuecomment-416077020
2019-04-27 20:17:09	infinisil	I remember HIE dev folks were also having this problem, which is the reason all TH is in a separate cabal package 
2019-04-27 20:18:30	mpickering	I think the issue is only bad if you use nix to manage haskell deps htough
2019-04-27 20:26:44	infinisil	Testing right now.. Maybe I did something wrong, because it's been starting for 3 minutes now with the thought-to-be-dynamically-linked one
2019-04-27 20:27:29	infinisil	3:57 startup time
2019-04-27 20:29:45	mpickering	It should be instant
2019-04-27 20:29:51	mpickering	so looks like something went wrong
2019-04-27 20:30:04	mpickering	you can use ldd to see if the executable is dynamically linked
2019-04-27 20:32:20	infinisil	mpickering: https://paste.infinisil.com/R7UeTJGXNE
2019-04-27 20:32:35	mpickering	appears not to be
2019-04-27 20:32:35	infinisil	That seems to be statically linked, right?
2019-04-27 20:32:38	mpickering	yes
2019-04-27 20:32:59	infinisil	Gonna try disabling all of `justStaticExecutables`
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2019-04-27 20:34:27	mpickering	You might hope that `justStaticExecutables` builds statically linked executables
2019-04-27 20:35:31	infinisil	Are you telling me it doesn't -.-
2019-04-27 20:38:04	infinisil	After turning off justStaticExecutables fully it still appears to be the same: https://paste.infinisil.com/ZhzZZipStE
2019-04-27 20:38:39	infinisil	I did also disable library profiling for everything, could that have anything to do with it?
2019-04-27 20:39:39	infinisil	Ah, maybe enableSharedLibraries
2019-04-27 20:39:58	infinisil	And there's enableStaticLibraries too, hmm
2019-04-27 20:40:43	mpickering	look at the command line that gets passed to cabal
2019-04-27 20:40:45	mpickering	and see what flags are on there
2019-04-27 20:40:51	mpickering	and if --enable-executable-dynamic is not on there
2019-04-27 20:41:16	infinisil	Oh
2019-04-27 20:41:53	infinisil	I thought it was on by default, but it turns out to be off by default
2019-04-27 20:41:59	 *	infinisil tries again
2019-04-27 20:43:20	infinisil	Ah yeah, now we're talking: https://paste.infinisil.com/ZH89L7Sxxs
2019-04-27 20:46:56	infinisil	3.5GB closure size for a single HIE version..
2019-04-27 20:48:05	infinisil	Vs 2.37 before, not too much worse actually
2019-04-27 20:51:12	infinisil	Ah um, that might get worse..
2019-04-27 20:51:54	infinisil	Once I actually include all the libraries (I removed $out/lib before)
2019-04-27 20:54:47	infinisil	mpickering: Nice, that reduced the startup time from almost 4 minutes to about 4 seconds
2019-04-27 20:55:30	infinisil	Yeah 3.6GB closure size, I think that's alright
2019-04-27 20:56:40	mpickering	:)
2019-04-27 21:05:44	infinisil	https://github.com/Infinisil/all-hies/pull/3
2019-04-27 21:10:06	infinisil	Okay no the startup time is a bit longer after all
2019-04-27 21:10:25	infinisil	It's just that the hie process only uses 4 seconds of CPU time
2019-04-27 21:10:43	mpickering	longer than?
2019-04-27 21:10:45	mpickering	4 minutes?
2019-04-27 21:10:56	infinisil	Longer than 4 second
2019-04-27 21:10:57	infinisil	s
2019-04-27 21:11:06	mpickering	did you see my benchmark numbers on the ticket?
2019-04-27 21:11:16	infinisil	Not yet no
2019-04-27 21:11:26	mpickering	perhaps the other startup time is hie doing other stuff
2019-04-27 21:11:30	mpickering	but the linking part is fast
2019-04-27 21:11:34	mpickering	*loading
2019-04-27 21:11:53	mpickering	my branch also has caching fwiw so should have faster start up time when that gets merged in
2019-04-27 21:12:16	infinisil	Neat
2019-04-27 21:13:02	mpickering	a lot of improvements being made to HIE at the moment
2019-04-27 21:13:06	mpickering	thanks for your help contributing to it
2019-04-27 21:13:32	infinisil	:)
2019-04-27 21:14:34	infinisil	Oh wait no now it was pretty fast to start, actually 4 seconds
2019-04-27 21:14:40	infinisil	I think it might just have been my disk hanging a bit
2019-04-27 21:15:02	 *	infinisil shouldn't make benchmark conclusions based on one sample
2019-04-27 21:15:25	mpickering	hie at the moment builds an executable using cabal on the first time it runs
2019-04-27 21:15:32	mpickering	which might have been what you observed
2019-04-27 21:15:34	infinisil	Yeah
2019-04-27 21:23:59	infinisil	mpickering: I'll add a note that it could be statically linked again once the linked ticket is fixed
2019-04-27 21:25:05	infinisil	Oh, although, this would only solve it for new GHC versions
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2019-04-28 02:22:13	lukelau	mpickering: Mind if I push a commit to your haskell-lsp branch? 
2019-04-28 02:22:33	lukelau	To throw a custom exception when cancelling the users thread
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2019-04-28 02:25:36	mpickering	lukelau: I will probably need to add you as a collaborator
2019-04-28 02:25:38	mpickering	but be my guest
2019-04-28 02:26:28	mpickering	you will notice there are other things broken about the branch anyway
2019-04-28 02:26:34	mpickering	such as, the cancellable attribute is not set
2019-04-28 02:28:53	lukelau	Ok, I can add that now
2019-04-28 02:29:16	lukelau	When you create your PR there’s a checkbox you can tick that lets mantainers of a repo directly push to your fork’s branch
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2019-04-28 02:37:16	mpickering	oh right
2019-04-28 02:37:49	mouse07410	From the IDE point of view, are there significant difference between using ghc-mod and HIE as LSP? (Because as I understand, that's what they are being used for by IDE plugins?)
2019-04-28 02:38:39	lukelau	ghc-mod doesn’t implement LSP, so the way it interfaces would be different
2019-04-28 02:42:06	mouse07410	Ah, I see. Thanks!  Is there a simple way to use HIE in place of ghc-mod? Asking because it looks like HIE build includes ghc-mod code.
2019-04-28 02:42:32	lukelau	It does indeed, what editor are you using?
2019-04-28 02:42:46	lukelau	HIE requires an editor with support for LSP
2019-04-28 02:43:24	lukelau	It should just be a matter of setting up your editor to use the hie binary whenever opening a .hs file
2019-04-28 02:46:33	mouse07410	I'm using IntelliJ IDEA as my main IDE for other languages (including Haskell), and am looking at what I'd lose if for Haskell I'd switch to VSCode (looks like at the very least I'd have to build projects manually because VSCode has no clue how to invoke/use Cabal or Stack).
2019-04-28 02:47:11	lukelau	IntelliJ IDEA might have lsp support already: https://github.com/gtache/intellij-lsp
2019-04-28 02:50:16	mouse07410	For IDEA theyre are two good plugins, AFAIK: Intellij-Haskell and IntelliJ-HaskForce. The first one now works fine but does not provide full access to online documentation for everything included in the project. The 2nd one requires ghc-mod to do linting etc. So I hoped there'd be a way to provide what HaskForce needs via HIE. I'll check that -lsp plugin you mentioned.
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2019-04-28 02:51:21	mouse07410	Oh, and the first one requiredes intero.
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2019-04-28 03:07:57	lukelau	mpickering: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/157/commits/11067f686dd1019b555478a0622a3f77a9a6a0a2
2019-04-28 03:08:53	mpickering	can you explain to me again why the two progress methods have to be different?
2019-04-28 03:09:21	mpickering	can't you add a Maybe (Progress -> IO()) parameter which unifies the two
2019-04-28 03:09:36	lukelau	Indefinite needs to send `null` for the initial percentage field, definite needs to set it to something
2019-04-28 03:10:28	lukelau	I’ve unified the logic at least now, but I do agree it would be nicer to expose just one function
2019-04-28 03:11:18	lukelau	Would it be overkill to have a type family to switch on the type of the user function?
2019-04-28 03:11:35	mpickering	I was more concerned about the logic being duplicated
2019-04-28 03:11:38	mpickering	but you fixed that
2019-04-28 03:12:32	mpickering	Your idea is to make Cancellable into a singleton and use its value to determine the argument or something like that?
2019-04-28 03:12:38	mpickering	I wouldn't worry about it now
2019-04-28 03:12:44	mpickering	overkill = yes
2019-04-28 03:13:28	lukelau	yeah, just spitballing 😛 
2019-04-28 03:14:02	lukelau	Going to build hie with this branch now, test it out
2019-04-28 03:17:34	mpickering	I'm afraid it won't work
2019-04-28 03:17:48	mpickering	Because of the GHCMod transformer
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2019-04-28 15:27:56	fendor_	where does the outline come from in some editors?
2019-04-28 15:28:50	fendor_	i think that might be helpful to resovle https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/989
2019-04-28 15:38:54	fendor_	take it back, misunderstood the issue
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2019-04-28 18:17:51	alanz	so, I have now decoupled ghc-mod from hie for the plugin API, and the HaRe tests pass with it.
2019-04-28 18:18:11	alanz	Time for some cleanup, housekeeping to make it work with all GHC versions, then PR
2019-04-28 18:18:28	alanz	After which the hie-bios should be able to come in fairly cleanly
2019-04-28 18:31:58	mouse07410	hie-bios branch did not compile/build for me. Master branch did.
2019-04-28 18:32:27	mouse07410	GHC-8.6.4 and 8.6.3.
2019-04-28 18:33:06	mouse07410	MacOS with Macports installed.
2019-04-28 18:35:24	alanz	mouse07410, hie-bios is very experimental at the moment
2019-04-28 18:35:32	alanz	no guarantees offered anywhere
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2019-04-28 18:47:28	mouse07410	Ah... So I should be able to build it once it becomes stable?
2019-04-28 18:48:58	alanz	yes. But I think it is going to be a while before it is rock solid
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2019-04-28 19:21:08	fendor_	so, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1170 is ready to merge. I commented out the tests that actually show that something could be wrong, but I just cant make them work
2019-04-28 19:21:15	fendor_	the feature has been manually tested.
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2019-04-28 20:15:59	lukelau	mpickering: Yeah, it looks like GhcModT contains monadic state so it wont be able to implement MonadUnliftIO
2019-04-28 20:19:20	mouse07410	alanz: understood. It took time before I could build the master successfully also, so no big deal. It will be ready when it will be ready - I can live with that.
2019-04-28 21:01:23	mpickering	lukelau: You could use MonadBaseControl instead for now I think
2019-04-28 21:01:32	lukelau	mpickering: That’s what I’m just looking at
2019-04-28 21:01:45	mpickering	I think instances are already defined for that
2019-04-28 21:02:02	mpickering	The way it interacts with state is maybe a bit dodgy though
2019-04-28 21:02:12	lukelau	Is that why you went for UnliftIO?
2019-04-28 21:02:58	mpickering	You can only write UnliftIO instances for Reader and Identity 
2019-04-28 21:03:16	mpickering	So it behaves a bit better apparently and is simpler
2019-04-28 21:03:24	mpickering	I'm not sure of the exact arguments 
2019-04-28 21:03:49	mpickering	And seeing as I just had Reader monads it seemed sensible to use 
2019-04-28 21:04:46	mpickering	You could wait to merge the cancellation stuff until my branch gets merged... 
2019-04-28 21:04:58	mpickering	Then even more incentive for people to help finish it
2019-04-28 21:05:28	lukelau	Is there an eta/timeline for hie-bios?
2019-04-28 21:06:07	alanz	lukelau, end of GSOC?
2019-04-28 21:06:40	mpickering	The things that are blocking are Hare and modifying cabal-helper to work with it
2019-04-28 21:06:43	lukelau	I’d like to start focusing some of my efforts into helping it at some point, i feel that its the most important thing on the roadmap currently
2019-04-28 21:06:45	alanz	I am doing some preparatory stuff at the moment, to detach HaRe from ghc-mod, using IdeGhcM instead
2019-04-28 21:06:50	mpickering	Then it needs testing 
2019-04-28 21:07:18	alanz	My goal after that is to start experimenting, but mainly via getting HaRe working with GHC 8.8
2019-04-28 21:07:29	alanz	without having to get ghc-mod support in place
2019-04-28 21:07:31	mpickering	Because I have tested it obviously but I didn't use hie before a lot
2019-04-28 21:08:14	alanz	mpickering, I know, that is what worries me at the moment. Your focal points are not necessarily aligned with features that are already in hie
2019-04-28 21:08:23	alanz	mainly because you dont know about them
2019-04-28 21:09:54	mpickering	Well I'm welcome to hear about them 
2019-04-28 21:10:48	alanz	I know that, its just that you are coming from a point of lack of knowledge. And I guess it shouldn't matter if we have proper tests
2019-04-28 21:10:54	mpickering	Most features should just work the same as I didn't modify those bits of the code base
2019-04-28 21:11:03	alanz	agree
2019-04-28 21:11:27	mpickering	Now you have decoupled Hare I can work out how to support that API
2019-04-28 21:11:33	alanz	I am hoping to getting to run a version of hie-bios quite soon
2019-04-28 21:11:43	lukelau	alanz: by the way the lsp-test cabal bounds fiasco was due to a stupid mistake on my part, i revised the bounds on the test component, not the actual library itself 
2019-04-28 21:11:48	lukelau	It should be resolved now
2019-04-28 21:11:53	alanz	mpickering, I think my current branch is stable for that, perhaps you can take a look at it
2019-04-28 21:12:01	alanz	lukelau, oops
2019-04-28 21:12:20	alanz	It boggles my mind the complexity of all these interrelated parts, all the time
2019-04-28 21:12:28	alanz	and the fact that anything ever works
2019-04-28 21:13:16	lukelau	indeed, this waterfall of releasing haskell-lsp-types -> haskell-lsp -> lsp-test -> haskell-ide-engine is surpisingly tricky
2019-04-28 21:14:45	alanz	exactly
2019-04-28 21:15:20	alanz	And I am now in some kind of inception where hie uses HaRe as a submodule, but HaRe now uses hie as a submodule, for hie-plugin-api
2019-04-28 21:17:39	lukelau	circular dependency?
2019-04-28 21:19:23	mpickering	lukelau: no
2019-04-28 21:19:39	mpickering	As Hare depends on hie-plugin-api
2019-04-28 21:19:56	alanz	they work with specific hashes in the git commit, so it works
2019-04-28 21:20:04	alanz	its just horribly messy
2019-04-28 21:20:23	alanz	I cant wait to get this stuff actually on hackage, rather than messing with submodules the whole time
2019-04-28 21:20:40	infinisil	+1
2019-04-28 21:20:47	alanz	and/or start using something like pantry or cabal-cache
2019-04-28 21:20:55	alanz	for us nix-envious people
2019-04-28 21:21:51	infinisil	Well, I guess you'd still need something like https://github.com/infinisil/all-hies for Nix
2019-04-28 21:22:07	alanz	But to be fair, the constraints we are fighting against in terms of supporting operating systems and package systems are pretty tough
2019-04-28 21:22:07	infinisil	To get it for all the GHC versions you need
2019-04-28 21:22:31	alanz	yes, but at least it does provide an idiomatic way of doing that
2019-04-28 21:22:55	alanz	and fundamentally you should only need the hie/ghc combo for projects you care about
2019-04-28 21:27:16	infinisil	alanz: Why that?
2019-04-28 21:27:50	alanz	well, if you are developing with GHC 8.6.4, you have no need of hie for GHC 8.2.1, 8.2.2, etc
2019-04-28 21:28:02	alanz	as a hie user
2019-04-28 21:28:11	alanz	us hie devs need to make sure that each of them works
2019-04-28 21:28:28	infinisil	Ah yeah, 
2019-04-28 21:28:44	alanz	which can make the user experience *much* better
2019-04-28 21:28:59	alanz	better still if there is a decent binary cache floating around somewhere
2019-04-28 21:36:45	alanz	ta da : https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1215
2019-04-28 21:37:40	alanz	and it is already broken. Need to update the HaRe submodule
2019-04-28 21:54:55	lukelau	mpickering: have you tried if ghc-lib works on hie-bios?
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2019-04-28 22:33:08	mpickering	lukelau: Why would it? It doesn't work with template-haskell
2019-04-28 22:37:20	mpickering	The fundamental problem here is that if your library has any dependencies then they need to be built with the same version of GHC that HIE uses right?
2019-04-28 22:42:22	mpickering	the next question is: why do you need to run template haskell splices in order to typecheck a module
2019-04-28 22:42:33	mpickering	and the answer to that is that declaration splices can bring any name into scope
2019-04-28 22:42:42	mpickering	perhaps a mistake in the design there
2019-04-28 22:42:46	mpickering	but a fact
2019-04-28 23:18:20	lukelau	mpickering: that’s the problem that ghc-lib tries to solve no?
2019-04-28 23:18:55	lukelau	although I wasn’t aware that there was no template-haskell
2019-04-28 23:19:04	lukelau	that’s a pretty big bummer
2019-04-28 23:21:30	mpickering	lukelau: Didn't you try to port HIE to use ghc-lib and conclude it wasn't possible?
2019-04-28 23:21:58	lukelau	Yes, I got HIE to build but ghc-mod wasn’t able to load the package databases
2019-04-28 23:22:16	lukelau	Mainly it wouldn’t be able to find base-0.x.0.0 if built on a different version
2019-04-28 23:22:55	lukelau	I’m not sure if hie-bios handing off the environment setup would help with that
2019-04-28 23:23:04	lukelau	*session setup
2019-04-28 23:26:02	mpickering	Don't think it would help at all
2019-04-28 23:30:13	lukelau	mpickering: what’s the purpose of deferaction? https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/ed9fefa1304ed28272422d9d0684b1487b09e597/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/PluginsIdeMonads.hs#L350-L351
2019-04-28 23:32:03	mpickering	lukelau: That can be deleted
2019-04-28 23:32:25	mpickering	left over from when I was wrangling trying to get IdeDeferM to work with MonadUnlifeIO
2019-04-28 23:33:03	mpickering	fendor_: What is different about the show instances?
2019-04-28 23:33:20	mpickering	is it a difference in the show instances for types?
2019-04-28 23:33:51	fendor	mpickering, yes, there seem to be more function signatures
2019-04-28 23:35:03	mpickering	can you give me a quick example?
2019-04-28 23:36:19	fendor	hardly, there is for example one more entry with a signature `Test -> Test -> Bool`
2019-04-28 23:37:00	fendor	https://hastebin.com/detewebiye.cs
2019-04-28 23:37:09	fendor	above is expected beneath got
2019-04-28 23:44:39	mpickering	why are there 4 entries with exactly the same info
2019-04-28 23:44:53	lukelau	mpickering: I’ve got MonadBaseControl working with the GhcModT based monads
2019-04-28 23:44:53	mpickering	is that from a funbind?
2019-04-28 23:44:58	mpickering	nice
2019-04-28 23:45:07	mpickering	could you actually test it in vscode?
2019-04-28 23:45:20	lukelau	took me like an hour because of ScopedTypeVariables wrecking havoc on type annotations i had added to help me understand...
2019-04-28 23:45:33	lukelau	*several hours
2019-04-28 23:45:40	lukelau	yeah its working in vscode now
2019-04-28 23:46:44	fendor	mpickering, possibly. I dont know why there are 4 times the same functions
2019-04-28 23:47:03	fendor	I figured it might be related to the code generation
2019-04-28 23:47:06	mpickering	we should work that out
2019-04-28 23:47:10	fendor	helper functions and stuff like that
2019-04-28 23:47:23	mpickering	what source code is it from?
2019-04-28 23:47:44	fendor	Types.hs
2019-04-28 23:47:47	fendor	in testdata
2019-04-28 23:49:25	mpickering	ah so that is from the failing case
2019-04-28 23:50:31	mpickering	just add CPP now to the test suite I say
2019-04-28 23:52:54	fendor	oh, sorry if that wasnt clear. The failign test cases all are about what happens on hover over the deriving clauses
2019-04-28 23:53:28	mpickering	right so probably some change in the deriving logic from 8.2.2 to 8.4.4
2019-04-28 23:55:02	fendor	will do that
2019-04-29 00:01:26	lukelau	mpickering: cancelling typechecking causes IdeGhcM to stall, but at least the notifications are working now
2019-04-29 00:01:46	mpickering	stall is what manner?
2019-04-29 00:02:18	mpickering	If you didn't modify the exception handler `gcatches` then shouldn't the whole program crash?
2019-04-29 00:03:00	lukelau	Nothing else happens on the GhcReq queue
2019-04-29 00:03:31	lukelau	Thats what I’m thinking as well, the ghc-mod error handlers should only be catching specific exceptions
2019-04-29 00:03:49	mpickering	I think it does already
2019-04-29 00:03:56	mpickering	so try adding the catch for the cancellation exception
2019-04-29 00:03:57	lukelau	Yeah
2019-04-29 00:04:52	lukelau	I don’t think typechecking should be made cancellable though, it brings up a completely different UI in vs code
2019-04-29 00:07:38	lukelau	alanz is it good to do a release of haskell-lsp?
2019-04-29 00:07:38	mpickering	Does typechecking make vscode stop responding to other requests such as hover?
2019-04-29 00:07:51	lukelau	it depends on the request
2019-04-29 00:07:57	lukelau	IdeM: no
2019-04-29 00:08:30	lukelau	IdeDeferM: if it uses `ifModuleCache`, then no, if it uses `withModuleCache` then yes
2019-04-29 00:08:35	lukelau	IdeGhcM: yes
2019-04-29 00:08:41	lukelau	at least thats the intent
2019-04-29 00:09:01	mpickering	can you screenshot the UI in vscode?
2019-04-29 00:09:08	lukelau	For the cancelling one?
2019-04-29 00:09:43	mpickering	yes I'm intrigued to see what it looks like
2019-04-29 00:10:02	lukelau	It’s like a notification popup, one second
2019-04-29 00:12:38	mpickering	I imagine they will change it from whatever it is anyway
2019-04-29 00:12:42	mpickering	as this is the first iteration
2019-04-29 00:13:05	lukelau	https://pasteboard.co/IcgqCo7.png
2019-04-29 00:14:14	lukelau	tried to host the image on ipfs.pics but it doesn’t really seem to be working sadly
2019-04-29 00:15:00	mpickering	so the UI for a cancellable progress is totally different from a non-cancellable one?
2019-04-29 00:15:09	mpickering	I thought it would just add a small x on the bottom bar
2019-04-29 00:15:23	lukelau	Yeah, have you seen the non-cancellable one?
2019-04-29 00:16:02	lukelau	It’s like a little piece of text in that bottom bar
2019-04-29 00:16:11	mpickering	seems a bit odd
2019-04-29 00:16:20	lukelau	I think it makes sense though to not be able to cancel typechecking
2019-04-29 00:16:34	lukelau	It’s an automatic background task rather than a user-invoked process
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2019-04-29 00:19:45	mpickering	sure, good to have support for cancelling as well though now implemented
2019-04-29 00:24:46	alanz	lukelau, yes, make a haskell-lsp release
2019-04-29 00:25:05	lukelau	mpickering: yes, and it was a nice excursion into monad-control for me
2019-04-29 00:25:14	alanz	And typechecking is supposed to not cause delays. But I am seeing delays when working with code that does not compile
2019-04-29 00:25:24	alanz	And I suspect it is related to completion processing
2019-04-29 00:25:38	alanz	but have not had a chance to dive into it
2019-04-29 00:25:52	mpickering	how are completions implemented
2019-04-29 00:26:31	alanz	Well, the key thing is that they should be happening in IdeM
2019-04-29 00:26:40	alanz	because we cannot tolerate delays
2019-04-29 00:26:55	alanz	I suspect they may be in IdeDeferM though
2019-04-29 00:26:57	mpickering	you might be seeing the pauses because of the typemap generation?
2019-04-29 00:27:09	mpickering	that definitely used to cause pauses before fendor's patch
2019-04-29 00:27:23	alanz	Possibly, but this is for the case where compilation fails
2019-04-29 00:27:34	alanz	so there is no typemap to generate
2019-04-29 00:28:38	alanz	mpickering, what do you mean by a "cabal bias"?
2019-04-29 00:28:58	alanz	A haskell package is described by a cabal file
2019-04-29 00:29:20	alanz	so a breakdown of a module graph by cabal component *requires* cabal?
2019-04-29 00:30:06	mpickering	I was thinking of `GmComponentType`
2019-04-29 00:30:50	mpickering	Hmm I'm looking at the definition now and I'm not sure what it does
2019-04-29 00:31:06	mpickering	you don't need to have a cabal file to specify a haskell package
2019-04-29 00:31:16	mpickering	You can perfectly well compile a project just with ghc
2019-04-29 00:31:28	mpickering	it is true that 99.5% of packages do have a cabal file..
2019-04-29 00:31:57	mpickering	`GmComponent` as well, not sure what that is used for in `HaRe`?
2019-04-29 00:31:58	alanz	Things like GmComponentType come from cabal-helper,and basically offer an independent stable data type, not dependent on any particular version of Cabal
2019-04-29 00:32:37	alanz	and if a haskell file does not have a cabal file, then the module graph per component is empty, or we return some specific type to indicate that it is a "bare" one in some sense
2019-04-29 00:33:03	alanz	those are types inherited from cabal-helper
2019-04-29 00:33:24	alanz	in the spirit of keeping things simple, and it is a battle-tested type
2019-04-29 00:33:30	alanz	so we can just use it
2019-04-29 00:33:38	mpickering	I have an idea anyway how to build up the module graph without anything to do with cabal files
2019-04-29 00:33:41	alanz	You can ask dxld for details, if you like
2019-04-29 00:34:09	mpickering	Do you actually use the fact it's a graph in HaRe?
2019-04-29 00:34:18	alanz	basically the structure is a map of module graphs indexed by cabal componebt
2019-04-29 00:34:22	alanz	yes
2019-04-29 00:34:56	alanz	mpickering, what do you have against being able to get a module graph per cabal component?
2019-04-29 00:35:24	mpickering	Because a "cabal component" is a thing specific to cabal
2019-04-29 00:35:47	mpickering	In my head a component is one set of ghc options which you can use to start a ghc session
2019-04-29 00:36:22	alanz	well, hie deals with the normal haskell world, and the unit of organisation is a cabal file
2019-04-29 00:36:33	alanz	and we need to include that level in the bios, somehow
2019-04-29 00:36:36	mpickering	You can get the module graph for a component from a ghc session by calling depanal
2019-04-29 00:36:48	mpickering	no need to deal with cabal files
2019-04-29 00:37:06	alanz	I want to know what components exist
2019-04-29 00:37:19	alanz	so I know what sessions to start, so I can e.g. rename things
2019-04-29 00:37:31	mpickering	Right I was thinking about this as well
2019-04-29 00:37:37	alanz	so if I change the name of a thing in a lib, I want to update the test and exe targets too
2019-04-29 00:37:44	mpickering	yes
2019-04-29 00:37:54	alanz	and for that I need dependency info, which is what that gives
2019-04-29 00:38:14	alanz	depanal only works if you actually have a session
2019-04-29 00:38:35	mpickering	you have to call depanal to get a module graph you can't work that out from a cabal file
2019-04-29 00:38:57	alanz	well, all I know is that right now cabal-helper gives that info
2019-04-29 00:39:09	mpickering	You can know what files are in a component by looking at the cabal file
2019-04-29 00:39:29	alanz	and I want to keep getting it, so I am putting it as a requirement on the hie-bios
2019-04-29 00:40:43	 *	alanz need to afk for a bit
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2019-04-29 01:05:03	mpickering	Is anyone here planning to go to zurihac or munihac this year?
2019-04-29 01:05:17	mpickering	Would be good to get some h-i-e hacking done
2019-04-29 01:07:37	fendor	what is at munich?
2019-04-29 01:07:45	fendor	or what is munihac?
2019-04-29 01:07:51	mpickering	https://munihac.de/2019.html
2019-04-29 01:13:33	fendor	and i suspect the same for zurich?
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2019-04-29 01:14:50	mpickering	https://zfoh.ch/zurihac2019/
2019-04-29 01:14:55	mpickering	zurihac is much bigger
2019-04-29 01:15:13	mpickering	both are not like normal hackathons though, mostly just chatting with people and doing a little programming 
2019-04-29 01:15:23	mpickering	no programming after 5pm as well, that's the time for eating and socialising ;)
2019-04-29 01:17:08	fendor	i see, ill think about it :)
2019-04-29 01:19:20	fendor	munich would be close
2019-04-29 01:21:34	fendor	*closer
2019-04-29 01:23:26	infinisil	Hmm I could go to zurihac
2019-04-29 01:24:06	infinisil	I live rather close by (1 hour by train)
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2019-04-29 01:31:08	fendor	i think munich like 3 hours away from me
2019-04-29 01:34:25	fendor	apparently more like 4
2019-04-29 01:36:08	mpickering	AndreasK got the train there last year near from where you live I think
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2019-04-29 02:11:01	mpickering	It would be useful if you could record an vscode session and convert it to a lsp-test test
2019-04-29 02:19:48	fendor	that would be very useful, indeed
2019-04-29 02:19:57	fendor	shouldnt be that hard to do, right?
2019-04-29 02:20:05	lukelau	mpickering fendor:  you already can
2019-04-29 02:20:25	lukelau	hie -c capturefile.c
2019-04-29 02:20:39	lukelau	then https://hackage.haskell.org/package/lsp-test-0.1.0.0/docs/Language-Haskell-LSP-Test-Replay.html#v:replaySession
2019-04-29 02:20:59	fendor	thats cool! 
2019-04-29 02:21:02	lukelau	not sure if it still works… but it used to anyway
2019-04-29 02:21:13	lukelau	havent used it in a long time
2019-04-29 02:21:24	fendor_	why is this CPP wrong? https://hastebin.com/uqufanalen.sql
2019-04-29 02:22:43	lukelau	fendor: are fendor and fendor_ two different people?
2019-04-29 02:22:47	fendor_	no
2019-04-29 02:23:08	fendor_	but one is on a windows machine, while my notebook is open to write some stuff for hie
2019-04-29 02:23:16	lukelau	ah ok
2019-04-29 02:25:11	mpickering	what's the error fendor ?
2019-04-29 02:26:04	fendor_	https://hastebin.com/axijiyehiz.cs
2019-04-29 02:28:11	mpickering	isn't the macro MIN_VERSIOn
2019-04-29 02:28:13	mpickering	not MAX_VERSION
2019-04-29 02:28:29	fendor_	same error message though
2019-04-29 02:28:31	fendor_	tried something
2019-04-29 02:30:09	mpickering	I always use this guide when writing CPP https://guide.aelve.com/haskell/cpp-vww0qd72
2019-04-29 02:33:30	fendor_	ah, ghc is not a dependency of the test-suite
2019-04-29 02:33:35	fendor_	probably that is the reason
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2019-04-29 02:49:22	lukelau	mpickering: re https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1190#discussion_r279211509, would it also be suitable to use 
2019-04-29 02:49:30	lukelau	a signature of (MonadIde m , MonadIO m, MonadBaseControl IO m, MonadIO n) => T.Text -> Core.ProgressCancellable -> ((Core.Progress -> n ()) -> m a) -> m a
2019-04-29 02:50:23	lukelau	Just for better ergonmics so the user can avoid having to lift the updater
2019-04-29 02:50:34	mpickering	I don't see what the point of that is, the user can just use liftIO if they want
2019-04-29 02:51:18	mpickering	plain IO is my preference.. 
2019-04-29 02:52:33	lukelau	Fair enough, I’m not particularly opinionated on this
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2019-04-29 04:27:33	lukelau	alanz: Is there a reason https://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp-0.11.0.0/docs/Language-Haskell-LSP-Messages.html#v:NotProgressStart isn’t in haskell-lsp-types?
2019-04-29 04:35:57	alanz[m]	lukelau nope
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2019-04-30 20:05:09	fendor	is it possible that we do not have tests for AddPackage?
2019-04-30 20:05:18	fendor	and it therefore stopped working some time ago?
2019-04-30 20:05:48	fendor	or in other words, can you add packages to .cabal?
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2019-04-30 21:43:07	alanz	fendor, my understanding of addpackage is it works against whatever yaml file the cabal haters use
2019-04-30 21:47:32	fendor	however, the codeaction works for you?
2019-04-30 21:48:29	alanz	I don't use it
2019-04-30 21:48:33	alanz	Or have not
2019-04-30 21:48:40	fendor	alright. 
2019-04-30 21:48:46	fendor	i think I will add tests for it
2019-04-30 21:49:00	alanz	And if it does change the cabal file, it totally reformats it
2019-04-30 21:49:21	fendor	I got it to work for some project, but it seems not to add the dependency on a larger project such as hie
2019-04-30 21:49:32	alanz	There was a GSOC project (or proposal?) last year or so to make it possible to edit and round trip a cabal file, for tooling
2019-04-30 21:50:11	fendor	my problem is, that the codeaction does seemingly nothing sometimes.
2019-04-30 21:50:16	alanz	There is a similar feature in intero, but it makes certain assumptions about the format of the cabal file
2019-04-30 21:50:29	fendor	not that format is changed
2019-04-30 21:50:39	alanz	ok
2019-04-30 21:50:55	alanz	For my money we can disable it, until we have something that works properly
2019-04-30 21:51:10	alanz	Nothing worse than something that sort of works, sometimes
2019-04-30 21:51:36	fendor	i will take a look at it first.
2019-04-30 21:51:44	alanz	great
2019-04-30 21:51:49	fendor	or, I want to take a look at it first
2019-04-30 21:52:09	alanz	I am waiting for that apply-refact error handler to complete CI, will then merge
2019-04-30 21:52:21	alanz	so it hits the release I am planning for tomorrow
2019-04-30 21:52:25	fendor	nice!
2019-04-30 21:52:28	alanz	currently bumping resolvers
2019-04-30 21:52:34	alanz	on a local branch
2019-04-30 21:52:46	fendor	so, hsimport-importlist will not be merged for this release?
2019-04-30 21:53:11	alanz	I will take a look.
2019-04-30 21:53:21	alanz	But I prefer not to merge stuff too late in the cycle.
2019-04-30 21:53:29	fendor	I think it is not a good idea to merge a day before a release
2019-04-30 21:53:34	fendor	agreed
2019-04-30 21:53:35	alanz	Put it in early in the new cycle, so we can dog food it
2019-04-30 21:53:55	alanz	I am comfortable with what we have now, do not want to bring in big changes
2019-04-30 21:54:36	fendor	yeah, i agree, this sounds reasonable
2019-04-30 21:58:46	fendor	wow, even a test has been added! great
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2019-04-30 22:36:11	mpickering	michaelpj: your idea is what the json transport layer was for I think
2019-04-30 22:36:25	mpickering	But AFAIK no one implemented anything with it? 
2019-04-30 22:36:40	michaelpj	hm
2019-04-30 22:36:54	michaelpj	all the hie bios and processed information stuff seems useful
2019-04-30 22:37:13	michaelpj	like I could run a single-short hare refactoring from the command line using it to get the GHC session
2019-04-30 22:37:31	michaelpj	regardless of whether I'm driving that with the LSP protocol
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2019-04-30 22:38:18	michaelpj	and as "plugin author" it would feel more sensible to me to code against such a thing rather than specifically a LSP server
2019-04-30 22:38:35	michaelpj	might make testing easier too
2019-04-30 22:39:02	alanz	mpickering, I think the JSON layer was just temporary, this whole thing is oriented toward LSP now
2019-04-30 22:39:35	alanz	but, the 'lower' hie-plugin-api can let you put anything on top, be it cli, or some other server
2019-04-30 22:40:09	alanz	well, maybe we should split it in two then. hie-bios and hie-plugin-api
2019-04-30 22:40:44	alanz	My goal with the pair of branches is to understand what precisely HaRe would need from the hie-bios
2019-04-30 22:45:00	michaelpj	yeah, that makes sense to me
2019-04-30 22:45:24	michaelpj	probably it doesn't make that much sense to worry about this until there's an actual example of another consumer
2019-04-30 22:45:36	alanz	yes.
2019-04-30 22:46:24	alanz	My plan now (once the monthly release is out), is to get that branch merged, and then get it working with mpickering's hie-bios branch
2019-04-30 22:46:42	michaelpj	yes, I think that will be a big improvement
2019-04-30 22:46:57	alanz	And the proof of the pudding will be being able to update HaRe for GHC 8.8 without having to wait for the whole of hie to catch up
2019-04-30 22:47:10	alanz	and/or cabal-helper and friends
2019-04-30 22:49:09	mpickering	michaelpj: You are right thought that everything I have implemented has been to improve the server aspect rather than the plugin aspect
2019-04-30 22:49:19	mpickering	I think it's quite well separated already 
2019-04-30 22:52:41	michaelpj	mpickering: do we still depend on cabal-helper/ghc-mod with the hie-bios branch?
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2019-04-30 23:04:15	alanz	My hare-hie-bios branch should allow us to break that connection
2019-04-30 23:04:21	alanz	It was one of my goals
2019-04-30 23:04:55	alanz	well, break the ghc-mod connection.
2019-04-30 23:05:23	michaelpj	I cannot tell you how much of an easier sell it would be if it was `cabal install`able from Hackage
2019-04-30 23:05:29	alanz	There are still some types that come from cabal-helper, but we can potentially move them into the proposed new ghc-prject-types package
2019-04-30 23:05:39	alanz	tell me about it. 
2019-04-30 23:05:49	michaelpj	yeah, this is hardly news
2019-04-30 23:05:58	alanz	I have been banging my forehead on the desk about that for a couple of years now already
2019-04-30 23:06:19	michaelpj	but I think things look pretty good from a functionality point of view if we could only get it into people's hands a bit easier
2019-04-30 23:06:42	michaelpj	anyway, it sounds like there's a plan :)
2019-04-30 23:06:47	alanz	well, my goal for the end of GSOC is to have this thing on hackage, in some or other variabt
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2019-04-30 23:24:17	mpickering	michaelpj: Right, there is no dependency on ghc-mod
2019-04-30 23:24:28	mpickering	I moved the session management into HIE
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2019-05-01 04:32:56	lukelau	alanz fendor:  I believe there are tests, but its pretty unreliable in the field. And that gsoc project was for round trip editing yaml files iirc, and it didn’t finish last summer unfortunately. would have been really nice to have
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2019-05-01 15:59:25	fendor	question, the type map for each module is cached in memory, right? Wouldnt it make sense to save it into a database and retrieve on file switch/open?
2019-05-01 16:05:30	mpickering	fendor: That's what Zubin is going to work on this summer
2019-05-01 16:07:34	fendor	maaan, i was thinking about doing that :(
2019-05-01 16:07:51	fendor	welp, nvm then 
2019-05-01 16:32:07	alanz	PR for 0.9.0.0 changelog is at https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1227
2019-05-01 16:32:17	alanz	please proof read/check
2019-05-01 16:36:58	fendor	do we have documented what happens if package.yaml and *.cabal files are present while building? 
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2019-05-01 16:50:53	alanz	I think that depends on whether stack or cabal builds, and relies on stack behaviour
2019-05-01 16:52:30	fendor	i see. We have a bunch of inconsistent behaviour, when a package is added to package.yaml, I have to restart hie to see that. If I edit a cabal file, I have to close the source file to see effects.
2019-05-01 16:53:57	fendor	also, cabal file package edit from `Package.hs` modifies the cabal file pretty much, e.g. removes comments and intends differently potentially.
2019-05-01 16:54:11	alanz	I know, that is why I don't believe this thing is ready for prime time yet
2019-05-01 16:54:34	alanz	BTW, the hsimport test failure for GHC 8.2.1 happens locally for me too. Result is https://gist.github.com/alanz/e24702f82a26cbe51a8db6d5d2de4727
2019-05-01 16:54:46	alanz	Which seems to be a change of the ordering of the imports
2019-05-01 16:54:57	alanz	(that is the first of 4 failures)
2019-05-01 16:55:20	fendor	i suppose the other failures are the same in principle?
2019-05-01 16:55:52	alanz	I have just started looking, but I expect so
2019-05-01 16:56:24	alanz	Not sure if it is using an older version of the formatter. Nor whether that is actually acceptable or not
2019-05-01 16:56:27	fendor	That is pretty annoying to solve. I'd rather avoid more CPP.
2019-05-01 16:57:03	fendor	However, I agree, the addPackage command is not very reliabe atm
2019-05-01 16:57:18	alanz	second one has the same
2019-05-01 16:57:53	fendor	the 4 tests practially are all the same in principle
2019-05-01 16:57:59	alanz	Its crazy how easy it is to reach for CPP
2019-05-01 16:58:40	alanz	fendor, you can see the rest of them here too: https://circleci.com/gh/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/6968
2019-05-01 16:59:01	fendor	the feature works at least.
2019-05-01 16:59:12	alanz	yes
2019-05-01 16:59:37	alanz	But I think we will stick with our plan to merge after the 0.9 release, which will hopefully be today
2019-05-01 17:00:02	fendor	Totally agree.
2019-05-01 17:03:36	fendor	alright, it seems like addPackage does nothing if both package.yaml and .cabal files are present.
2019-05-01 17:04:22	fendor	which is not covered by tests, so, may make sense
2019-05-01 17:58:20	fendor	what is the best way to check that a workspaceedit happened as expected?
2019-05-01 18:11:18	alanz	fendor, applying a workspace edit is really a client responsibility.
2019-05-01 18:11:33	alanz	BUT, I think lukelau 's lsp-test can help with tha
2019-05-01 18:11:33	alanz	t
2019-05-01 18:12:17	fendor	alanz, I'd like to unit-test a command, the command returns a workspaceedit, cant I use testCommand for that?
2019-05-01 18:13:23	alanz	well, if it is a unit test, you should test that it returns a specific workspace edit
2019-05-01 18:13:34	alanz	Which is what the HaRe tests do, iirc
2019-05-01 18:13:45	alanz	mpickering, ping
2019-05-01 18:13:46	fendor	alanz, great, that is what I am looking for! thanks
2019-05-01 18:15:19	lukelau_	fendor: damn what happened in ghc 8.2.1? is it because of the resolver using a differnt version of brittany/floskell?
2019-05-01 18:16:02	fendor	lukelau_, looks rather like a change in hsimport, imo.
2019-05-01 18:16:29	fendor	Since the only thing that is formatted by brittany and floskell is the line that is added. The location is not changed afaik
2019-05-01 18:17:03	lukelau_	Looks like it's just a matter of the imports being in a different order
2019-05-01 18:17:11	lukelau_	That should be ok right?
2019-05-01 18:17:44	lukelau_	You can probably just relax the tests to just check that those specific lines are in it
2019-05-01 18:17:54	lukelau_	rather than the entire string
2019-05-01 18:18:50	fendor	lukelau_, we could try to relax the order of imports, but I want it to check the whole string nevertheless to detect added newlines between the imports and the main function
2019-05-01 18:19:42	lukelau_	You can still check for that if you're checking on a line by line basis right?
2019-05-01 18:20:04	lukelau_	I was thinking something along the lines of ("import blah" `elem` lines output)
2019-05-01 18:20:30	lukelau_	that way if there was no newline it wouldn't find that import
2019-05-01 18:20:37	fendor	yeah, that is possible.
2019-05-01 18:20:58	fendor	and it must be a change in hsimport since it also happens to the tests where no formatting is done
2019-05-01 18:30:33	alanz	I wonder if we could bump ther version of hsimport for 8.2.1
2019-05-01 18:31:00	alanz	And I further wonder when we can ditch 8.2 support completely, since we are about to have 8.8
2019-05-01 18:37:41	fendor	alanz, i will try the version bump
2019-05-01 18:37:55	fendor	i mean, since it is a minor version, it could be compatible, right?
2019-05-01 18:37:55	alanz	great
2019-05-01 18:38:10	alanz	my take is bump it, see what complains, and work from there
2019-05-01 18:39:07	alanz	either do an existence check using cabal new-build, which shows there *is* a solution, or I generally comment out the extra-deps in the stack file then uncomment them as requested by the stack test compilation failure
2019-05-01 18:39:24	alanz	and/or add missing or changed ones
2019-05-01 18:39:55	alanz	That is how I do the resolver bump process, and try to make sure we are not dragging along stale dependencies
2019-05-01 18:46:14	alanz	fendor, another reason I hate rebase: https://gist.github.com/alanz/a4e430b2c1ac83d094d16d12331307d1
2019-05-01 18:46:49	alanz	that is trying to build mpickering/hie-bios, but lsp-test got rebased, so the commit no longer exists
2019-05-01 18:47:45	fendor	I understand, it also destroys reproducibility
2019-05-01 18:47:53	alanz	and that is why my repos end up littered with branches ending in numbers or dates, as a courtesy to others who may be using my repo
2019-05-01 18:48:06	alanz	because if the commit is still part of some branch, it is available
2019-05-01 18:48:55	alanz	there is a good argument for rebase, I guess if you are working on a feature purely locally and want to rearrange your commits
2019-05-01 18:49:07	alanz	but once it is shared, it gets much harder to manage
2019-05-01 18:50:59	fendor	yeah, that's probably how it should be used.
2019-05-01 18:51:07	fendor	only rebase for local development
2019-05-01 18:57:53	mpickering	Sorry alanz 
2019-05-01 18:58:19	alanz	mpickering, its not your fault, its just an artifact of this way of working
2019-05-01 18:58:36	fendor	alanz, bumping the version of hsimport seems to be fine
2019-05-01 18:58:38	alanz	And I actually pinged you because I am starting to research your hie-bios approach
2019-05-01 18:58:43	alanz	fendor, great
2019-05-01 18:59:18	alanz	mpickering, I see your concerns about the module graph, not fitting at all with the minimalist approach there
2019-05-01 18:59:50	alanz	BUT, I do think it is something that fits in the ambit of the bios
2019-05-01 19:00:05	alanz	especially if the project is configured with various flags etc
2019-05-01 19:09:29	alanz	mpickering, with cabal 2.4.1.0 I get "Unrecognized field 'ghc-options' on line 20" doing "cabal new-build"
2019-05-01 19:10:34	alanz	fendor, you can also rebase for local dev, but be sure to preserve visible branches of your pre-rebase work
2019-05-01 19:11:00	alanz	(which then means you have to remember to prune them again eventually)
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2019-05-01 19:12:48	alanz	And there are 5 builds that need to pass on appveyor before we can release. At 90mins per build.
2019-05-01 19:15:23	fendor	that's so long... it would be improved if we can use azure?
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2019-05-01 19:17:02	alanz	I would hope so
2019-05-01 19:17:20	alanz	But I am not sure if azure offers windows builds, tbh
2019-05-01 19:19:10	fendor	i offers them at least for a price.
2019-05-01 19:19:15	fendor	so maybe, we can still get them
2019-05-01 19:19:34	alanz	or ask nicely, since it is a haskell project
2019-05-01 19:19:57	alanz	I think the haskell org might have some ability to help us with it
2019-05-01 19:20:09	 *	alanz hoping
2019-05-01 19:20:46	alanz	I would hope that github starts offering solid windows CI soon, given its new owners
2019-05-01 19:21:27	fendor	does microsoft support haskell projects in particular?
2019-05-01 19:22:21	alanz	not in particular, but we do have some high profile people employed by them
2019-05-01 19:23:34	fendor	power-fungus will soon report back, then we will know for sure
2019-05-01 19:25:49	fendor	it looks like canonicalize path is annoying in test cases for sub directories
2019-05-01 19:28:50	alanz	yes, but see how I manage it in the HaRe tests
2019-05-01 19:29:15	alanz	I think there is a "makeRelativeToCurrentDirectory" or some such, which you can apply to the file paths
2019-05-01 19:30:13	fendor	the command uses it, I dont think I can inject that correctly via tests without using setCurrentDirectory
2019-05-01 19:30:18	alanz	for HaRe the package I ended up having to copy the entire test project into a temporart directory, because of the new GHC/cabal desire to decide that if there is any config anywhere higher in the tree then it is part of that project
2019-05-01 19:30:40	fendor	you use withCurrentDirectory
2019-05-01 19:30:46	alanz	I run the tests in a bracket thing for the directory
2019-05-01 19:30:48	alanz	yes
2019-05-01 19:31:02	fendor	I will use that, thanks!
2019-05-01 19:34:53	fendor	nice, works like a charm!
2019-05-01 19:58:17	alanz	mpickering, as a first step to the hie-bios I am going to bring your Core.persistVirtualFileFunc and Core.reverseFileMapFunc into the haskell-lsp master.
2019-05-01 20:03:30	fendor	alright, found the culprit why addPackage does not work if both package.yaml and .cabal file are present!
2019-05-01 20:04:16	fendor	who might throw https://hastebin.com/kapimuyopi.nginx ?
2019-05-01 20:04:24	fendor	it is a ghcmod error
2019-05-01 20:05:39	fendor	take it back, my mistake
2019-05-01 20:05:50	infinisil	Is this right that currently hie-wrapper doesn't have any user-facing error message when it can't find a hie binary? I only see a tiny error in the log file, nothing else
2019-05-01 20:06:10	infinisil	I guess I could check myself
2019-05-01 20:06:54	infinisil	Looks like it
2019-05-01 20:07:37	infinisil	I guess it would be non-trivial to add though, because you'd need to run an LSP server first just to connect to the client to display such error messages, and later start the proper server
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2019-05-01 20:19:13	fendor	the test inconsistency of hsimport may be ghc related. 
2019-05-01 20:23:23	michaelpj	infinisil: seems like it should be on whatever program is starting the server binary to report to the user if it fails to start properly. Could be all sorts of reasons why that might happen, and if you handle those you'd handle this one too
2019-05-01 20:24:01	infinisil	michaelpj: That would be emacs in my case, but I looked through all buffers and couldn't find any error regarding that
2019-05-01 20:24:27	michaelpj	infinisil: I'm arguing that this is really a problem with lsp-mode
2019-05-01 20:25:06	infinisil	Hmm yeah that could be it
2019-05-01 20:25:46	michaelpj	once the binary is up, sure, the server should report errors, but lsp-mode should tell you if the binary fails to start
2019-05-01 20:25:47	infinisil	But the idea of hie-wrapper starting a server just to show nice error messages sounds pretty good to me tbh
2019-05-01 20:28:31	michaelpj	I don't think there's a nice message to send. The logical thing to do would be to respond to the `initialize` request with an error, but the only error I think you can give there is "wrong protocol version"
2019-05-01 20:28:40	michaelpj	maybe we can send our own error
2019-05-01 20:32:09	alanz	michaelpj, infinisil the original bash script that was replaced by hie-wrapper sent back a workspace error message or some such, which is required to be presented to the user, and which says the exe is missing
2019-05-01 20:33:24	alanz	we could get the hie-wrapper to do something like that, as it has the stdio connection to the client. Basically the hie-wrapper calls the appropriate o/s call to replace the currently running process with a new one (the found exe), preserving the existing stdio
2019-05-01 20:42:46	michaelpj	infinisil: if I put in a fake `hie-wrapper` that just calls `exit 1`, I get a message saying "Server hie:9776 status:starting exited with status exit. Do you want to restart it? (y or n)". Do you also get that?
2019-05-01 20:44:02	infinisil	Can't test right now, but I've gotten similar errors when hie itself exited unsuccessfully (Something like "hie failed to start, try again? [y/n]")
2019-05-01 20:44:23	infinisil	But from the source it seems that hie-wrapper just exits successfully
2019-05-01 20:44:43	michaelpj	ah okay
2019-05-01 20:44:51	michaelpj	so exiting with an appropriate exit code would help
2019-05-01 20:45:16	infinisil	Yeah, and logging that to stderr would be nice too
2019-05-01 20:46:11	michaelpj	so interestingly I get some stuff in `Messages` about the process, but I *don't* get the contents of stderr
2019-05-01 20:46:26	michaelpj	oh, there's a separate `hie::stderr` buffer that has it
2019-05-01 20:46:40	michaelpj	so yeah, I guess a combination of those two is probably the right thing to do
2019-05-01 20:46:46	michaelpj	although sending a workspace error might also be good
2019-05-01 20:48:47	alanz	Possibly a combination of all of those, different clients may behave slightly differently, this is not clearly spec'd territory
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2019-05-01 21:04:27	fendor	addPackage can add packages to executables for pacakge.yaml's but not the library
2019-05-01 21:04:46	mpickering	alanz: That seems like a good incremental change 
2019-05-01 21:05:01	alanz	easing my way into it
2019-05-01 21:05:19	mpickering	I don't think I made any other changes to haskell-lsp?
2019-05-01 21:05:40	mpickering	other than playing around with what Luke was doing with the progress notification
2019-05-01 21:05:52	alanz	there are changes for the progress reporting, but I left them behind, I think it moved on in lukelau_ 's fork on the work you two did
2019-05-01 21:05:56	alanz	yes
2019-05-01 21:06:24	alanz	And it just struck me there is an unmerged 0.12 version for haskell-lsp
2019-05-01 21:06:40	alanz	Or rather, for the progress reporting inhie
2019-05-01 21:07:08	alanz	I'm getting tired of the slow appveyor tests, want to get master moving on the new month experimental stuff
2019-05-01 21:09:19	mpickering	I don't think any clients support progress properly yet so no real rush on that
2019-05-01 21:09:27	mpickering	not sure what the vscode release schedule is
2019-05-01 21:09:35	mpickering	did you get my branch to build?
2019-05-01 21:09:45	alanz	mpickering, not yet
2019-05-01 21:09:53	mpickering	let me sort that out then
2019-05-01 21:10:01	alanz	yes, but not with the tests
2019-05-01 21:10:05	mpickering	ah right
2019-05-01 21:10:07	mpickering	no they don't build
2019-05-01 21:10:09	alanz	sorry, I did actually
2019-05-01 21:10:19	mpickering	I tried to sort that out but didn't make amazing progress
2019-05-01 21:10:45	alanz	but I am taking a slow approach, want to understand it in the context of the differences between where I am trying to go and you have gone
2019-05-01 21:11:31	alanz	I think it helps to have more background knowledge on hie, and how the tests have evolved over time
2019-05-01 21:12:26	alanz	mpickering, the 'ghc-options' thing in the cabal.project file
2019-05-01 21:12:35	alanz	is that a cabal 3.0 thing? or a typo?
2019-05-01 21:12:38	mpickering	yes I have that error as well
2019-05-01 21:12:42	mpickering	but didn't get around to deleting it
2019-05-01 21:13:02	alanz	ok, its no problem, just checking that I am not doing something wrong
2019-05-01 21:14:02	mpickering	I have some ideas for the modules thing btw 
2019-05-01 21:14:15	mpickering	for example, cabal reports about all its components
2019-05-01 21:14:32	mpickering	and then each component loaded asynchronously 
2019-05-01 21:15:02	alanz	yes, ideally that stuff should come straight out of cabal. And I think dxld (or fendor?) is doing something to get it there too
2019-05-01 21:15:11	mpickering	right
2019-05-01 21:15:25	mpickering	the idea is that the implementation of the cradle's now is a hack
2019-05-01 21:15:38	mpickering	but once the required interface is settled then the tools should support it in a more straightforward way
2019-05-01 21:16:11	alanz	To me we have a conceptual direction, and as we work on it we can see what is actually driving it. And can come up with something robust
2019-05-01 21:16:47	alanz	And it seems that we have a bunch of people cued up with attention and allocated time to be able to contribute, in the next few months
2019-05-01 21:18:33	fendor	alanz, i am trying, but it is rather complicated
2019-05-01 21:20:08	alanz	I know. Just about anything related to cabal is *way* more complicated than you realise
2019-05-01 21:20:31	alanz	it is doing a huge job of managing all sorts of complexity, and presenting a bahaviour that is sane
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2019-05-01 21:33:02	infinisil	Hmm, is this expected that cabal-helper needs to compile a whole bunch of modules (Distribution.* ones) when it doesn't have anything cached in ~/.cache/cabal-helper?
2019-05-01 21:33:57	mpickering	infinisil: yes..
2019-05-01 21:34:50	infinisil	Isn't cabal helper only used to figure out the ghc version??
2019-05-01 21:35:11	mpickering	no
2019-05-01 21:35:12	infinisil	Probably there's more to it
2019-05-01 21:35:19	mpickering	It's used to set up the GHC API session
2019-05-01 21:35:33	mpickering	and in order to do so needs to read some information from cabal
2019-05-01 21:35:43	mpickering	and the way it does this is by compiling an executable at runtime
2019-05-01 21:35:50	mpickering	which is then invoked to read the information
2019-05-01 21:36:21	infinisil	Hmm.
2019-05-01 21:37:07	mpickering	My branch doesn't do this though
2019-05-01 21:37:11	infinisil	mpickering: Why can't this executable be compiled into HIE itself?
2019-05-01 21:37:32	infinisil	Link to branch?
2019-05-01 21:37:43	mpickering	look at the hie-bios pull request
2019-05-01 21:37:59	mpickering	it compiles the executable so that it uses the right version of the Cabal library
2019-05-01 21:37:59	infinisil	Ahh
2019-05-01 21:38:15	mpickering	because it tries to read some binary artifact cabal makes when compiling a module
2019-05-01 21:39:54	infinisil	I don't entirely get it, but awesome that you're working on improving this :)
2019-05-01 21:42:40	infinisil	mpickering: I just noticed that with Nix, cabal-helper is problematic for another reason as well, because the compiled binary refers to non-GC-rooted store paths, which means after a Nix upgrade + garbage collection, the cache needs to be refreshed manually (by deleting it), which is why I'm noticing this now
2019-05-01 21:44:24	infinisil	Actually, that would be nice to list in the Troubleshooting section
2019-05-01 21:44:40	mpickering	what kinds of paths?
2019-05-01 21:44:40	fendor	infinisil, sounds like i fell into that as well :D 
2019-05-01 21:45:36	infinisil	mpickering: Normal store paths, /nix/store/whathaveyounot, which are needed to execute the binary, libraries and such
2019-05-01 21:46:35	infinisil	I'll check again, also to be able to copy the error message
2019-05-01 21:46:39	mpickering	So cabal-helper uses these paths for what?
2019-05-01 21:48:14	infinisil	cabal-helper-wrapper calls a binary in ~/.cache/cabal-helper, which was compiled with some GHC version and libraries that aren't in the store anymore
2019-05-01 21:49:52	infinisil	Specifically, the first error you get when executing such an exe is `./cabal-helper0.9.0.0-Cabal2.4.1.0  ->  no such file or directory: ./cabal-helper0.9.0.0-Cabal2.4.1.0`
2019-05-01 21:50:04	infinisil	Which comes from the fact that the elf interpreter isn't in the store anymore
2019-05-01 21:50:19	infinisil	(as verified with patchelf --print-interpreter)
2019-05-01 21:51:22	michaelpj	ah, because it uses the compiler but doesn't do it via making a derivation
2019-05-01 21:51:32	michaelpj	so nix doesn't know not to GC the dependencies
2019-05-01 21:51:56	infinisil	Yeah
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2019-05-01 22:11:36	infinisil	Made a PR which adds that to the troubleshooting section
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2019-05-01 23:18:47	fendor	mean question, but are we sure appveyor is even doing something atm?
2019-05-01 23:27:23	alanz	fendor, see https://ci.appveyor.com/project/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/history
2019-05-01 23:28:34	fendor	I see. I only ask, because the waiting time is pretty long now
2019-05-01 23:35:26	alanz	I know. over 90 mins per build
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2019-05-02 00:58:07	alanz	for discussion: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1233
2019-05-02 01:00:04	cocreature	alanz: fwiw, we are using azure pipelines at work and it gives you 10 parallel builds (shared across all platforms) for free on open source projects. not sufficient for us at work since we are too many people but for hie I would expect that it probably works
2019-05-02 01:00:30	fendor	cocreature, does that include windows machines?
2019-05-02 01:00:38	cocreature	yep
2019-05-02 01:00:43	cocreature	linux, macos & windows
2019-05-02 01:00:53	fendor	great, I think power-fungus will take care of that, then.
2019-05-02 01:01:25	alanz	cocreature, great news
2019-05-02 01:02:12	cocreature	you can host your own builders if the 10 builders are insufficient which we do at work.
2019-05-02 01:04:05	alanz	ok, so if power-fungus gets stuck he can ping you?
2019-05-02 01:04:36	lukelau	alanz: I think it would be reasonable to dump 8.2 once 8.8 lands
2019-05-02 01:04:47	cocreature	sure although I haven’t been involved too deeply in setting it up at work but I’m happy to at least try to help
2019-05-02 01:04:55	lukelau	Would speed up CI a good bit
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2019-05-02 01:16:03	alanz[m]	lukelau in terms of landing things for release,  I also prefer to not put big things in too close to the end. Rather let us dog food it a bit first.
2019-05-02 01:30:08	mpickering	I found a branch where someone had already tried to set up azure pipelines for hie
2019-05-02 01:30:22	mpickering	I'm not sure if power-fungus is using that but should help out
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2019-05-02 01:41:01	alanz	mpickering, maybe add the reference to that issue?
2019-05-02 01:47:34	lukelau	alanz[m]: I’m happy to merge + tag in 0.9.0.0 then
2019-05-02 01:48:19	alanz	lukelau, I was thinking about asking you to do that
2019-05-02 01:48:45	alanz	But I think it is better to not bump things like the haskell-lsp version as the last merge before a release.
2019-05-02 01:49:02	alanz	The release is starting to have implications, like getting packaged on nix, etc
2019-05-02 01:49:07	lukelau	yeah, theres no rush in that
2019-05-02 01:49:23	alanz	I would rather have something relatively stable, their comparison point is a month back
2019-05-02 01:49:24	lukelau	and thats still blocked by vscode-languageclient-server
2019-05-02 01:49:29	alanz	so there *is* a difference
2019-05-02 01:49:44	alanz	And for the rest of us building master, a one day delay does not matter
2019-05-02 01:50:02	infinisil	I'll update my all-hies nix packages asap after the release :)
2019-05-02 01:50:43	lukelau	infinisil: those packages are awesome
2019-05-02 01:50:51	lukelau	the dream for all of us not in nix-land
2019-05-02 01:51:14	infinisil	Hehe, because of the binary caches?
2019-05-02 01:51:27	lukelau	Yeah
2019-05-02 01:51:50	lukelau	hie takes so long to build, and our attempts at static binaries have fallen flat so far
2019-05-02 01:52:10	infinisil	Nix does work on all linux distro's, so you could use it there too
2019-05-02 01:53:55	infinisil	If the issue mpickering mentioned regarding static linking slowing down TH a lot gets fixed, I might try to get fully static builds with https://github.com/nh2/static-haskell-nix, which would probably reduce the resulting size by a whole lot
2019-05-02 01:54:20	alanz	btw, are we doing any macos CI?
2019-05-02 01:56:09	alanz	I think we did on travis at one point
2019-05-02 01:57:07	alanz	yes, mac is building on travis. And failing, normally
2019-05-02 01:57:56	lukelau	Yeah
2019-05-02 01:58:39	lukelau	And it’s pretty fruitless until cabal/stack adds support for the --paths option
2019-05-02 01:58:45	lukelau	*—path-prefix
2019-05-02 01:58:59	lukelau	otherwise they can’t find cabal-helper-wrapper
2019-05-02 01:59:19	lukelau	I’m currently checking out mpickering’s branch to see what the static binary is like now that its gone
2019-05-02 01:59:44	alanz	ok, you can set an environment variable for it, btw
2019-05-02 01:59:59	alanz	which is how the ghc-mod tests run when in a sandbox
2019-05-02 02:00:13	alanz	so either ask dxld or look into the ghc-mod CI stuff 
2019-05-02 02:01:47	lukelau	I think the cabal-helper HEAD also got rid of the wrapper, whats the status of your fork of it?
2019-05-02 02:01:54	alanz	Damn, I just wasted issue 1234
2019-05-02 02:02:16	alanz	lukelau, I did that long enough ago that the knowledge has swapped out
2019-05-02 02:02:28	lukelau	lol
2019-05-02 02:03:03	alanz	which is why documentation is so important, mostly its used by a future you, a month or so later
2019-05-02 02:05:12	lukelau	i’ll check it out later today or tomorrow, need to head now
2019-05-02 02:05:58	alanz	ok, if I don't get to do the final release, can you do it please?
2019-05-02 02:06:00	alanz	lukelau, ^^
2019-05-02 02:06:08	alanz	tomorrow
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2019-05-02 02:33:56	alanz	And clickable changelog entries just pushed out release out by 12 hours :)
2019-05-02 02:34:04	alanz	infinisil, ^^ :)
2019-05-02 02:34:26	infinisil	:D
2019-05-02 02:36:42	infinisil	I think github does this autoformatting in the release notes though
2019-05-02 02:37:28	alanz	ok. lukelau normally takes care of that, so nothing I can comment on. It is better though, and was my intention
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2019-05-02 02:48:54	mpickering	alanz: I did comment on the issue already about it
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2019-05-02 02:51:31	alanz	thanks
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2019-05-02 04:16:38	lukelau	alanz: that appveyor queue, wow
2019-05-02 04:16:42	lukelau	Safe travels!
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2019-05-02 16:19:29	fendor	can we give power-fungus contributor status? Would be useful for him to assign himself to issues to signal that someone is working on it.
2019-05-02 16:29:32	alanz	fendor, oops, an oversight, invitation sent
2019-05-02 16:29:47	fendor	great, thank you!
2019-05-02 16:29:48	alanz	And I sent one to mpickering some time back, but he has not responded
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2019-05-02 16:50:52	mpickering	alanz: thanks I accepted that now
2019-05-02 17:26:26	dxld	infinisil: re cabal-helper in nix: on master it now uses the built-in Cabal library when the versions match, mirroring how cabal-install uses it's built-in lib:Cabal most of the time. so this whole problem should go away when we integrate that into hie.
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2019-05-02 18:32:25	fendor	I think we can not merge the release
2019-05-02 18:34:21	fendor	*now
2019-05-02 19:11:26	infinisil	dxld: you mean it doesn't need to compile anything at runtime anymore?
2019-05-02 19:12:31	infinisil	fendor: Why is that?
2019-05-02 19:13:02	fendor	infinisil, why is what?
2019-05-02 19:16:18	infinisil	fendor: Ohh, you corrected not -> now, i understood "we can not merge the release now" (because something bad happened)
2019-05-02 19:16:34	fendor	yeah, typo :)
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2019-05-02 22:54:02	dxld	infinisil: for nix it will never compile at runtime, yes. For other environments it depends :)
2019-05-02 22:56:40	dxld	but we're also working on some changes in cabal that will make the runtime comp completely redundant
2019-05-02 22:56:45	dxld	(that is fendor is working on that)
2019-05-02 22:58:33	infinisil	Cool :D
2019-05-02 22:59:07	dxld	I would just integrate c-h master into hie but unfortunately it's been patched to bits to do some ugly new-build support
2019-05-02 22:59:31	dxld	so I can't really do that until I have more time during gsoc
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2019-05-02 23:43:54	lukelau	dxld: I took a stab at that last night
2019-05-02 23:44:20	lukelau	Almost got it going
2019-05-02 23:44:30	lukelau	0.9.0.0 is tagged and released
2019-05-02 23:44:35	lukelau	and it has a huge changelog :)
2019-05-02 23:47:00	dxld	lukelau: hm?
2019-05-02 23:48:46	dxld	oh you mean using c-h master
2019-05-02 23:52:31	dxld	lukelau: can I see some diffs for review or something?
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2019-05-03 01:38:58	lukelau	it’s not typechecking at the moment, I’m not sure what parts of alanz’s fork are different but I’ve also merged ghc-mod master into it
2019-05-03 01:39:13	lukelau	Is it using the new c-h?
2019-05-03 01:39:24	dxld	ghc-mod?
2019-05-03 01:39:43	lukelau	yeah, i’m upgrading both on hie
2019-05-03 01:39:56	dxld	nono it's not
2019-05-03 01:40:17	dxld	I figure since we're going to mostly get rid of it anyways I might as well not bother
2019-05-03 01:40:55	dxld	but depending on how much new-build hackery actually exists in hie now it might be easy to forward port
2019-05-03 01:41:27	dxld	the old-build parts are still there just with a different api
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2019-05-03 02:16:14	lukelau	dxld: I see hie has a custom Cradle.hs where we try to find new-build dist-dirs
2019-05-03 02:17:10	lukelau	But it uses some custom cabal-helper query for getting the dist-dir
2019-05-03 02:18:19	lukelau	custom as in in a fork
2019-05-03 02:18:24	dxld	yup
2019-05-03 02:18:47	dxld	that's what I meant by "patched to bits" above :)
2019-05-03 02:19:10	lukelau	Yeah you’re not kidding, the amount of merge conflicts here
2019-05-03 02:19:22	dxld	in c-h?
2019-05-03 02:19:28	dxld	I wouldn't even try merging that
2019-05-03 02:19:36	dxld	it was forked ages ago
2019-05-03 02:19:57	lukelau	I gave up on that, just trying to get the hie ghc-mod fork working with c-h-1.0.0.0
2019-05-03 02:20:30	lukelau	by the way, how can I run a qeDestDir query? I see its a property on QueryEnvI, but runQuery operates on just QueryEnv?
2019-05-03 02:22:05	dxld	QueryEnv is just a type synonym for QueryEnvI
2019-05-03 02:22:44	dxld	I mean the docs even reference QueryEnv specifically
2019-05-03 02:22:50	dxld	are you looking at the haddocks?
2019-05-03 02:22:56	lukelau	I’m building them now
2019-05-03 02:23:01	lukelau	Was just browsing through Helper.hs
2019-05-03 02:23:05	lukelau	hmm
2019-05-03 02:23:17	lukelau	cabal new-haddock fails on a parse error 
2019-05-03 02:23:51	lukelau	on "{- # OPTIONS_GHC -Wno-missing-signatures #-}”
2019-05-03 02:23:56	lukelau	where there’s a space before the #
2019-05-03 02:24:06	dxld	because the pragma's commented out :)
2019-05-03 02:24:14	dxld	just add another space
2019-05-03 02:24:37	dxld	I didn't think I committed that
2019-05-03 02:24:38	dxld	strange
2019-05-03 02:24:49	dxld	ah indeed
2019-05-03 02:25:01	dxld	and I forgot to commit the "add a space" fix
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2019-05-03 02:29:51	fendor	can we start the dog fooding? e.g. merge #1186 and #1170?
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2019-05-03 03:25:04	lukelau	fendor: I think so
2019-05-03 03:25:23	lukelau	dxld: In the previous versions of c-h, was there only ever one unit?
2019-05-03 03:26:16	lukelau	I’m redoing all the queries through allUnits but that’s returns multiple, how should this be handled?
2019-05-03 03:30:53	infinisil	Alright, all-hies is updated with 0.9.0.0 :)
2019-05-03 03:31:35	infinisil	Thanks for the release \o/
2019-05-03 03:36:27	lukelau	that was quick
2019-05-03 03:36:29	lukelau	!
2019-05-03 03:39:31	fendor	infinisil, that is great!
2019-05-03 03:40:37	dxld	lukelau: yeah before cabal-helper only ever dealt with one unit at a time
2019-05-03 03:40:43	dxld	and ghc-mod stiched it all together
2019-05-03 03:40:54	mpickering	Thanks infinisil, is it easy to point all-hies nix at a specific commit ?
2019-05-03 03:43:06	dxld	lukelau: ghc-mod already has a concept of multiple "components" (aka units) so you just need to get them to ghc-mod and it should figure it out I think
2019-05-03 03:43:25	dxld	oh no hang on
2019-05-03 03:43:38	infinisil	mpickering: Yeah, you can pass any commit/branch/tag here: https://github.com/Infinisil/all-hies/blob/1b027f4e48e4bfd9fa920f57d824d0009e4218c4/update.hs#L57
2019-05-03 03:43:51	infinisil	I should probably take this an an argument
2019-05-03 03:45:06	dxld	lukelau: ChComponentInfo is the thing you have to ship to ghc-mod
2019-05-03 03:45:21	dxld	I don't remember if you really need any of the stuff in UnitInfo
2019-05-03 03:45:28	dxld	for the hie special case anyways
2019-05-03 03:45:42	dxld	where you can ignore stuff like ghc-mod's browse command and what have you
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2019-05-03 22:05:28	infinisil	!!
2019-05-03 22:06:06	infinisil	I figured out how you can fix the problem with emacs getting out of sync!
2019-05-03 22:06:40	infinisil	This usually meant I had to restart the server whenever I'd get an unrecoverable parsing error
2019-05-03 22:07:10	infinisil	(setq lsp-document-sync-method 'full)
2019-05-03 22:07:23	infinisil	This will make it not do incremental updates, but always send the full file instead
2019-05-03 22:07:51	infinisil	I'll take that minor loss of efficiency any day over constantly having to restart it! 
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2019-05-03 22:17:11	infinisil	I might make a PR to add this to the troubleshoot section too
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2019-05-03 23:35:46	phaul	hi all. I managed to build a hie and I can invoke the hie-8.6.3 binary or the hie-wrapper. I see stuff scrolling on my screen, how do I know if it works? I tried to integrate it with gvim, and the language server plugin is installed, I can call its functions, also I see hie being run as a subprocess of vim but I can't get anything (formatting linting, renaming etc) to actually do anything
2019-05-03 23:37:55	phaul	is there a way I could first verify my hie, also what's the current status? The build pulled in HaRE, hoogle, hlint etc should I expect these things to work automatically? (assuming hie works)
2019-05-03 23:42:39	alanz	phaul, your best bet is to try it with vscode
2019-05-03 23:42:59	alanz	if that works, then you can look it your vim integration
2019-05-03 23:43:20	phaul	ok. thanks
2019-05-03 23:43:57	alanz	and check that the project you are testing against actually builds
2019-05-03 23:44:22	alanz	preferably with stack, the cabal stuff is ok, but cabal new-build is still very immature
2019-05-03 23:44:59	phaul	ah, well, that's maybe a misunderstanding on my part. I just tried :e /tmp/x.hs. Is a single hs file not supposed to work?
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2019-05-03 23:47:01	alanz	yes, that should work too
2019-05-03 23:48:28	phaul	ok
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2019-05-03 23:51:49	infinisil	alanz: It should? Without any .cabal file?
2019-05-03 23:52:08	alanz	infinisil, yes
2019-05-03 23:52:15	 *	alanz checking
2019-05-03 23:52:39	infinisil	Then I'll just have to assume lsp-mode for emacs doesn't support this somehow, because it didn't work for me last time I tried
2019-05-03 23:53:01	alanz	yes, does for me
2019-05-03 23:53:08	infinisil	I'll try again with a very simple file
2019-05-03 23:53:16	alanz	Main.hs, main = putStrLn "hello"
2019-05-03 23:53:22	alanz	in /tmp/fff
2019-05-03 23:53:29	infinisil	I guess it doesn't work with libraries
2019-05-03 23:53:48	alanz	I just tried that with vscode, let me check emacs
2019-05-03 23:54:26	alanz	works for me in emacs-lsp too, with /tmp/fff as the project root
2019-05-03 23:55:18	alanz	and gives me results on B.hs, module B where\nfoo = "hello"
2019-05-03 23:55:26	alanz	in same directory
2019-05-03 23:56:12	infinisil	Oh, does it use some default stack command in that case?
2019-05-03 23:56:25	infinisil	Because I seem to get a stack+nix related error
2019-05-03 23:57:09	alanz	well, all bets are off in nix land :)
2019-05-03 23:57:21	infinisil	But it does use stack in that case right?
2019-05-03 23:57:43	alanz	I don't think so. Ghc-mod puts together a session for it directly, I think
2019-05-03 23:58:07	infinisil	Hmm alright, might have to debug this at some point
2019-05-04 00:07:32	mpickering	infinisil: I think it shouldn't use stack at all
2019-05-04 00:12:28	infinisil	Ah, I think the error is from flycheck somehow
2019-05-04 00:12:48	infinisil	Hold on I'll capture the error
2019-05-04 00:13:37	phaul	ok. VS code doesn't work either. Or at least I can't see any hie-wrapper running or <F2>/<F12> doing anything. 
2019-05-04 00:13:59	phaul	weird as from the cmd line I can run hie-wrapper
2019-05-04 00:14:26	infinisil	mpickering: https://paste.infinisil.com/8QTYgeuJ1Q.png
2019-05-04 00:14:34	mpickering	phaul: The first start can take some time unfortunately
2019-05-04 00:14:42	infinisil	(sorry I still haven't figured out how to properly copy things out of emacs)
2019-05-04 00:14:43	mpickering	can you look at your process monitor to see if anything is happening
2019-05-04 00:15:05	infinisil	I think that's coming from haskell-mode perhaps
2019-05-04 00:15:13	mpickering	ergh 
2019-05-04 00:15:30	phaul	I don't see hie in top
2019-05-04 00:16:04	mpickering	phaul: Did you install the extension for vscode?
2019-05-04 00:16:43	phaul	yeah Haskell Language Server 0.0.27
2019-05-04 00:16:49	phaul	Enabled
2019-05-04 00:18:01	mpickering	and what kind of file are you opening?
2019-05-04 00:18:05	mpickering	a single .hs file?
2019-05-04 00:18:20	phaul	main = putStrLn "hello"
2019-05-04 00:18:22	phaul	yes
2019-05-04 00:18:36	phaul	just verified ghci loads it happily
2019-05-04 00:18:56	infinisil	alanz: mpickering: Oh you know what, I have auto-detect root on, so I need to manually set the root somehow, that's why it doesn't work
2019-05-04 00:20:01	mpickering	phaul: So you don't think the hie executable is being started at all?
2019-05-04 00:20:16	phaul	correct. I can't see it in the process tree
2019-05-04 00:20:25	mpickering	if you look at the output pane
2019-05-04 00:20:31	mpickering	in the dropdown, is hie listed at all?
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2019-05-04 00:22:41	phaul	sorry. I lost you . output pane where? (Im not familiar with VS code, just installed it, and this is the first time Im seeing it)
2019-05-04 00:23:27	mpickering	View -> Output
2019-05-04 00:23:40	mpickering	Then there is a dropdown in that pane
2019-05-04 00:26:22	phaul	no I'ts not there. I see Tasks Extensions Git and Log related entries
2019-05-04 00:26:57	mpickering	ok then that indicates that the extension isn't working
2019-05-04 00:27:04	mpickering	close and open vscode again :) ?
2019-05-04 00:27:29	phaul	ok. at this point I also reboot, just in case :)
2019-05-04 00:27:32	phaul	brb
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2019-05-04 00:31:15	phaul	same unfortunately.
2019-05-04 00:33:11	phaul	ok this is https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/code/, let me try https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/visual-studio-code-bin/
2019-05-04 00:48:50	phaul	still no
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2019-05-04 02:35:13	phaul	fwiw I tried following https://github.com/autozimu/LanguageClient-neovim/blob/6ee4c8994ee84609f8370aa4766b66c7cbad1424/doc/LanguageClient.txt#L688 and got https://gist.github.com/phaul/3f9442e9910edacb0f7f829712e75aa7 
2019-05-04 02:44:50	mpickering	phaul: Ah thanks that's useful
2019-05-04 02:45:30	mpickering	So /usr/bin/data/hlint.yaml doesn't exist
2019-05-04 02:45:32	mpickering	?
2019-05-04 02:46:40	mpickering	There's an issue about this I think on the issue tracker, sorry it hasn't been fixed yet
2019-05-04 02:47:12	phaul	ok mpickering thanks, Ill check it out.
2019-05-04 02:47:36	mpickering	If you can add the hlint data file manually then it might work.. not sure if that's a fatal error or not
2019-05-04 02:48:31	phaul	will try in a minute
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2019-05-04 03:28:05	phaul	it gets a tiny bit further. At this stage probably I should point out that I built haskell-ide-engine using https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/haskell-ide-engine/ building a package on a server, and than installed the binary package on a client. As far as I understand it the package copies the hie-wrapper and hie-*.*.* binaries in the package. The rest that was needed to build is lost, and only
2019-05-04 03:28:07	phaul	marked as build dependencies. It feels like hie doesn't work at all unless the build environment is still available?
2019-05-04 03:31:10	phaul	next error : https://gist.github.com/phaul/52ff499adc60b201f5cf66a1c629d8ea
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2019-05-04 03:45:44	mpickering	is that the whole log?
2019-05-04 03:46:01	mpickering	copying the binaries sounds like something which may cause issues..
2019-05-04 03:47:41	mpickering	I think there are some paths hard coded into cabal-helper which could cause some failures
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2019-05-04 06:21:03	infinisil	all-hies now has caches for darwin too :) https://github.com/Infinisil/all-hies
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2019-05-04 14:20:19	alanz	mpickering, I am still in two minds about patterns in general, and hence that compatibility module
2019-05-04 14:20:28	alanz	But I guess it serves a purpose
2019-05-04 14:20:49	alanz	I hate having to dig through layers of indirection to see what a thing actually is
2019-05-04 14:21:17	alanz	but maybe I should adopt that approach in HaRe too
2019-05-04 14:24:05	alanz	And it seems github is no longer talking to this channel. Damn.
2019-05-04 14:27:43	alanz	Once #1190 lands, I will tidy up #1215 against it so it can land
2019-05-04 14:27:54	alanz	and then on to more hie-bios integratin
2019-05-04 14:33:19	mpickering	the patterns make it quite easy to maintain once a new version of ghc comes out
2019-05-04 14:33:51	mpickering	with a normal function you sometimes have to look at its definition as well :P ?
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2019-05-04 15:11:53	alanz	mpickering, I guess the thing with the patterns is to update them to reflect the most recent GHC AST each time
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2019-05-04 16:50:18	alanz	I see there is a new version of floskell on hackage. I wonder if we can drop a submodule
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2019-05-04 18:42:31	alanz	lukelau, mpickering see https://github.com/bubba/haskell-ide-engine/pull/3
2019-05-04 18:43:00	alanz	the version for lsp-test in GHC 8.2.1 stack file is wrong in the last digit
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2019-05-04 21:47:00	mpickering	thanks for fixing that alan
2019-05-04 21:47:09	mpickering	Does the emacs lsp client support window/progress yet?
2019-05-04 21:50:27	alanz	i dont know, have not tried it yet. But I suspect not
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2019-05-05 16:46:33	alanz	So, I just spent a fruitless 8 hours or so trying to work out why hie was suddenly broken for me. Which included completely re-installing the .stack and .cabal directories
2019-05-05 16:46:58	alanz	It turns out we actually do need to install Cabal-2.4.1.0 in the install.hs
2019-05-05 17:17:17	fendor	alanz, I made power-fungus aware of it. It may also be related to the test failures in azure
2019-05-05 17:18:26	alanz	fendor, great
2019-05-05 17:18:56	alanz	And I just realised we are going to have to make a point release of 0.9 to get it out there
2019-05-05 17:19:39	alanz	But with documentation in the install.hs now to say *why* it is there
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2019-05-05 17:20:54	fendor	unfortunate since the typemap reimplementation has been recently merged
2019-05-05 17:21:18	alanz	I know, thats why I will go back to the tagged release and fork it off
2019-05-05 17:23:51	alanz	fendor, I am also seeing some weird things around install.hs no longer being idempotent
2019-05-05 17:24:41	alanz	e.g. it always rebuilds hie-8.2.1, but complaining about some ghc 8.6.5 include file being out of date
2019-05-05 17:26:30	fendor	hm, I bumped the hsimport version of hie-8.2.1, maybe that is related?
2019-05-05 17:29:14	alanz	I don't know. The include file gets updated every time you do "stack setup xxx" where xxx is a GHC compiler version number
2019-05-05 17:29:22	alanz	and in the past that has triggered rebuilds
2019-05-05 17:29:48	alanz	but this is for the third or so build after last setting up a ghc
2019-05-05 17:30:01	alanz	I will monitor it, and try to see what is actually happening
2019-05-05 17:30:14	fendor	i am trying to reproduce it on windows
2019-05-05 17:31:27	alanz	ok
2019-05-05 17:31:51	alanz	I am currently waiting for a 'build-all' to finish with latest master
2019-05-05 17:32:01	alanz	After that will see if it is idempotent
2019-05-05 17:32:54	alanz	one nice thing about a cabal build, is it can use the packages from its store, and not rebuild as much each time, as we now have with stack
2019-05-05 17:34:18	alanz	especially as I generally blow away .stack-work if there is a submodule update, I dont trust stacks rebuild algorithm in this case, especially as the version numbers of the submodule packages do not always change
2019-05-05 17:34:29	fendor	HaRe now has HIE  as its submodukes, which has HaRe as its submodules? 
2019-05-05 17:34:34	alanz	I am *so* looking forward to getting all our deps onto hackage some time
2019-05-05 17:34:44	alanz	I know. Bizarre.
2019-05-05 17:35:01	fendor	It is amazing that it actually works
2019-05-05 17:35:13	alanz	Which is why I asked power-fungus (or was it you?) to look into not doing a recursive dep update
2019-05-05 17:39:44	fendor	it was an issue, power-fungus is currently taking care of the build system
2019-05-05 17:45:22	alanz	yes
2019-05-05 18:08:33	lukelau	dxld: pong
2019-05-05 18:09:16	lukelau	My current status with getting the new c-h into ghc-mod is mostly trying to work around the phantom type parameters in query now
2019-05-05 18:09:40	lukelau	I’ve had to add a project type parameter to `Cradle` in Types.hs
2019-05-05 18:09:44	alanz	lukelau, did you see the branch I was working in for this stuff?
2019-05-05 18:10:12	lukelau	I think so, I remember doing something like git checkout -b new-cabal-helper and then getting a error saying it already existed haha
2019-05-05 18:10:31	lukelau	cabal-new-fiddling right?
2019-05-05 18:10:42	alanz	I think I have a whole lot of branches, it needs to be the most recent one
2019-05-05 18:10:45	alanz	hold on
2019-05-05 18:10:59	alanz	because I fought off most of those phantom types
2019-05-05 18:11:50	lukelau	by the way for the JSON transport PR, I think we still need to figure out how we’re going to deal with namespacing/plugin ids
2019-05-05 18:11:52	alanz	and stopped work because it looked like a whole bunch of other better qualified people were ready to tackle it
2019-05-05 18:11:58	alanz	agree
2019-05-05 18:12:28	alanz	My branch is new-cabal-helper, I think
2019-05-05 18:12:29	lukelau	One thing I am realising now though is that we’ve hardcoded some of them now 
2019-05-05 18:12:45	dxld	lukelau: you did see the Ex type, right?
2019-05-05 18:12:45	alanz	I know. And I am not sure if that is a good or a bad thing, tbh
2019-05-05 18:12:52	lukelau	The formatting provider LSP option just hard codes the pluginIDs “floskell” and “brittany"
2019-05-05 18:12:59	alanz	yes, loved it when I found it eventually
2019-05-05 18:13:22	alanz	and I thing there are some hard coded "ghc-mod"s in there somewhere too
2019-05-05 18:13:31	lukelau	dxld: Yeah, but I couldn’t use it with querytype since it has two type params
2019-05-05 18:13:59	lukelau	dxld: maybe we can wait for this haha https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/publication/higher-order-type-level-programming-in-haskell/
2019-05-05 18:14:05	alanz	hmm, my response was to dxld, had not realised you had joined us
2019-05-05 18:14:24	alanz	BTW, my hare-hie-bios just landed
2019-05-05 18:14:28	lukelau	nice
2019-05-05 18:14:42	alanz	which should have some impact on the cabal-helper/ghc-mod stuff
2019-05-05 18:15:02	lukelau	impact in what sense?
2019-05-05 18:15:17	alanz	well, it exists, and is in master
2019-05-05 18:15:30	alanz	and lays down a minimal interface into ghc-mod
2019-05-05 18:15:36	alanz	from a hie perspective
2019-05-05 18:15:56	lukelau	Yeah, hopefully the c-h update shouldn’t change ghc-mods interface
2019-05-05 18:16:11	lukelau	And I’m not looking to make this update perfect, just to tide us over until hie-bios lands
2019-05-05 18:16:24	alanz	not at all, I see c-h being standalone as currently, but the adapter into hie can slim down a bit
2019-05-05 18:22:22	dxld	lukelau: ah, I see. the params are the wrong way around on Query :/
2019-05-05 18:23:13	dxld	maybe I should just not expose pt at all
2019-05-05 18:25:16	dxld	lukelau: I think what you should do is not try to wrap the query but rather the QueryEnv
2019-05-05 18:25:24	dxld	then things should work out
2019-05-05 18:39:55	dxld	lukelau: can you show me or explain what you were trying to do exactly so I can make sure the docs say not to do that? :)
2019-05-05 18:49:04	lukelau	dxld: https://gist.github.com/bubba/592fb787c5a4af2a72d0b8b93c825c30
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2019-05-05 18:50:20	lukelau	This is what I was trying to do, but i think alanz’s has sorted it out https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/blob/1046813f81dd0eb084dcc3767ae72c8fdb1e336d/core/GhcMod/Cradle.hs#L279-L293
2019-05-05 18:52:01	dxld	lukelau: well certainly the idea is to store the QueryEnv in the ghc-mod sesson instead of reconstructing it every time
2019-05-05 18:52:04	alanz	lukelau, another tip I picked up from dxld's code, is if you are writing a function that is polymorphic on pt, you can just match in it for the various cases, which then gives your the corresponding monomorphic type
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2019-05-05 18:53:53	lukelau	How do you match for it?
2019-05-05 18:55:08	dxld	Well the ultimate source of the pt phantom type are the DistDir/ProjLoc singletons
2019-05-05 18:55:12	dxld	so you match on those
2019-05-05 18:55:17	dxld	if you can access them
2019-05-05 18:55:23	dxld	but really I don't know what alan means :)
2019-05-05 18:55:50	lukelau	Ah right, I’m not too familiar with dependent types but are singletons similar to proxies where they’re passed around at the value level?
2019-05-05 18:56:18	dxld	um, singletons are things that have the same structure at value and type level
2019-05-05 18:57:00	dxld	so in our case we have a DistDirV1 which has type `:: DistDir 'V1` :)
2019-05-05 18:58:58	dxld	which means if you match on a `x :: DistDir pt` value, say: `let DistDirV1 {} = x` that will inform the type checker that pt must be V1
2019-05-05 19:00:40	lukelau	Oh ok, I’m looking at the deifiniton of DistDir now 
2019-05-05 19:03:01	lukelau	Spotted in the definition for Cradle `cradleQueryEnv   :: !(Maybe Dynamic)` 🤔
2019-05-05 19:03:18	dxld	ugh Dynamic
2019-05-05 19:03:21	lukelau	lol
2019-05-05 19:03:24	dxld	no, no, no
2019-05-05 19:03:28	lukelau	there goes the types out the window
2019-05-05 19:03:34	dxld	`:: Ex QueryEnv` instead :)
2019-05-05 19:03:43	dxld	not really
2019-05-05 19:04:08	dxld	I mean the types are still there at runtime so it's fine
2019-05-05 19:04:16	dxld	but it's just not necessary to throw away all the static type information
2019-05-05 19:05:30	lukelau	Hmm when using `cradleQueryEnv  :: Ex QueryEnv`, I get “The type synonym ‘QueryEnv’ should have 1 argument, but has been given none”
2019-05-05 19:05:42	lukelau	Do I need to add any extensions for ghc to pick this up?
2019-05-05 19:05:42	dxld	ugh fuck
2019-05-05 19:06:30	dxld	hmmm
2019-05-05 19:06:31	 *	alanz much prefers extensions to be in each individual file, not in cabal file. Just an observation
2019-05-05 19:06:35	dxld	works for me in ghci
2019-05-05 19:06:38	dxld	so maybe yeah
2019-05-05 19:07:02	dxld	what version of ghc?
2019-05-05 19:07:06	lukelau	8.6.5
2019-05-05 19:07:23	lukelau	I prefer my extensions to be in the haskell 2020 standard ;)
2019-05-05 19:08:40	alanz	is there such a thing yet?
2019-05-05 19:08:46	alanz	will there ever be one?
2019-05-05 19:09:03	dxld	problem is not all language extensions are compatible :p
2019-05-05 19:09:26	dxld	the only out of the ordinary extension i have on is -XConstraintKinds
2019-05-05 19:09:38	dxld	but I don't think that should make a differetnce
2019-05-05 19:14:02	dxld	lukelau: what cabal-helper git commit are you on?
2019-05-05 19:26:46	dxld	ok nevermind found it
2019-05-05 19:36:00	fendor	alanz, build looks idempotent on windows
2019-05-05 19:36:51	alanz	well, on my machine 8.2.1 rebuilds each time
2019-05-05 19:44:16	fendor	weird
2019-05-05 19:44:55	lukelau	dxld: I was on HEAD
2019-05-05 19:45:23	dxld	I was testing it wrong
2019-05-05 19:45:33	dxld	just doing :k (Ex QueryEnv) in ghci works
2019-05-05 19:45:44	dxld	but actually putting that in a datatype doesnt
2019-05-05 19:48:17	dxld	lukelau: pushed a fix to the wip/new-build branch
2019-05-05 19:49:44	lukelau	How come QueryEnvI was exported?
2019-05-05 19:51:33	dxld	it's exported abstractly
2019-05-05 19:51:43	dxld	if I don't then the docs are unclear
2019-05-05 19:52:09	dxld	because the ProjType parameter you still need to supply to QueryEnv wouldn't be mentioned anywhere
2019-05-05 19:53:29	lukelau	Ah ok 
2019-05-05 19:53:44	dxld	so the haddocks now have:
2019-05-05 19:53:51	dxld	type QueryEnv = QueryEnvI QueryCache
2019-05-05 19:53:53	dxld	data QueryEnvI (c :: ProjType -> *) (pt :: ProjType)
2019-05-05 19:54:03	dxld	without the QueryEnvI constructor naturally
2019-05-05 19:54:08	dxld	I think that's reasonable
2019-05-05 20:05:49	lukelau	Makes sense. I’m trying to get whatever alanz had building first, and then I’ll see if I can pull in that new change to get rid of dynamic
2019-05-05 20:06:19	lukelau	Also resolving submodule merge conflicts is a nightmare
2019-05-05 20:07:00	dxld	indeed
2019-05-05 20:07:58	dxld	though I don't understand why you're starting from scratch with that
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2019-05-05 20:08:09	dxld	I thought you had the conflicts figured out on your branch?
2019-05-05 20:08:37	lukelau	I pulled in hie’s upstream master
2019-05-05 20:08:56	lukelau	And alanz had modified ghc-mod with splitting out the types into a separate package
2019-05-05 20:09:39	dxld	ah
2019-05-05 20:09:57	lukelau	ah damnit, is stack 1.9.4 not out yet??
2019-05-05 20:10:31	lukelau	getting the stack ide packages --cabal-files error
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2019-05-05 20:11:50	dxld	nope
2019-05-05 20:12:55	dxld	wow it's been like four months now
2019-05-05 20:12:59	dxld	do they ever release?
2019-05-05 20:13:02	dxld	;)
2019-05-05 20:13:05	lukelau	Apparently not
2019-05-05 20:13:20	lukelau	Although
2019-05-05 20:13:28	lukelau	https://github.com/alanz/cabal-helper/blob/179aeaaaef1876e805c9691238de496579393dd3/src/CabalHelper/Compiletime/Program/Stack.hs#L86-L158
2019-05-05 20:14:55	dxld	hmm
2019-05-05 20:14:58	dxld	what's that do
2019-05-05 20:15:10	dxld	`stack query locals` I mean
2019-05-05 20:15:41	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/bubba/48a9a0ddde2216d6175f84a3cc6cb3c2
2019-05-05 20:15:42	lukelau	apparently
2019-05-05 20:16:25	dxld	huh neat
2019-05-05 20:16:35	dxld	guess I could have just used that
2019-05-05 20:19:51	dxld	though I'm not sure that's going to do the right thing in all cases
2019-05-05 20:26:37	alanz	dxld, I do recall running that past you, at the time
2019-05-05 20:26:45	alanz	and it is just a workaround
2019-05-05 20:26:53	dxld	looks like the query command was added in 2015
2019-05-05 20:27:14	dxld	well I hoped that 1.9.4 would have been released by now..
2019-05-05 20:27:16	alanz	I mean the query locals is a workaround, until the stack upgrade
2019-05-05 20:27:34	alanz	I saw a tag for 1.9.3.x, where x was something like 1
2019-05-05 20:27:37	dxld	I'm just wondering why no-one told me about it when I sent that PR
2019-05-05 20:27:43	alanz	but have been waiting in vain for it to land
2019-05-05 20:28:29	dxld	I just don't want to add a yaml dependency ;)
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2019-05-05 20:46:15	lukelau	got hie + ghc-mod + c-h-1.0.0.0 working!
2019-05-05 20:46:48	lukelau	the real test is now copying the hie binary over somewhere, and seeing if that still runs… 
2019-05-05 20:49:58	alanz	I just realised my next step is to thin down the ghc-mod-core used by hie to only have the bits actually used by hie
2019-05-05 20:51:18	dxld	alanz: what for?
2019-05-05 20:51:40	alanz	well, my immediate goal is to update HaRe to ghc-8.8
2019-05-05 20:51:44	dxld	I thought we're removing it soonish anyways?
2019-05-05 20:52:04	alanz	and to do that by getting a path to hie-bios
2019-05-05 20:52:17	dxld	hm
2019-05-05 20:52:29	alanz	so it is easier to temporarily beat into shape a smaller chunk of code than a larger one
2019-05-05 20:53:08	dxld	ok
2019-05-05 21:27:06	lukelau	alanz: resolving the conflicts in pr #1105, can we create a discussion issue to figure out the namespacing stuff afterwards? since I don’t think there is a current need for it in master given the fact that all plugins are included at compile time
2019-05-05 21:27:34	lukelau	and it would probably be better ot tackle it once the plugin api is tidied up a bit
2019-05-05 21:30:36	alanz[m]	lukelau I was going to suggest that too, so agree
2019-05-05 21:56:31	lukelau	was there a way of fixing the <> issue on 8.2 without resorting to cpp?
2019-05-05 21:58:29	lukelau	I remember now: import Data.Monoid ((<>))
2019-05-05 22:48:27	mpickering	Can we not merge the json transport removal patch pls? 
2019-05-05 22:48:40	mpickering	It is going to cause bad merge conflicts with the hie-bios branch
2019-05-05 22:48:56	mpickering	And doesn't seem like it makes maintenance much easier
2019-05-05 22:51:28	alanz	mpickering, that makes sense
2019-05-05 22:51:39	alanz	there are enough complex bits changing already
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2019-05-05 23:12:27	lukelau	mpickering: what parts is it conflicting with?
2019-05-05 23:13:48	alanz	lukelau, I would imagine the long-running hie-bios branch
2019-05-05 23:13:52	lukelau	I was planning on getting it in to create a PR for the new c-h, since it doesn’t work with the old build plugin
2019-05-05 23:14:27	lukelau	I meant as in which files/areas, most of the changes are inside the transport/plugindescriptor parts. Did hie-bios change that much?
2019-05-05 23:14:45	alanz	lukelau, I don't know, lets see what mpickering has to say
2019-05-05 23:29:16	alanz	https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stackage/pull/4521
2019-05-05 23:29:30	alanz	Next LTS version will be GHC 8.6.5
2019-05-05 23:38:09	alanz	lukelau, how do you feel about us replacing YiRope in haskell-lsp?
2019-05-05 23:38:14	alanz	I am ready to push the button
2019-05-05 23:39:16	lukelau	I’m happy
2019-05-05 23:39:25	lukelau	Doesn’t look like https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues/376 is going anywhere anytime soon
2019-05-05 23:40:02	alanz	agree
2019-05-05 23:40:41	alanz	Will merge, then tweak my hie-bios one, then aim for a release
2019-05-05 23:40:52	alanz	(after adding some haddocks)
2019-05-05 23:48:01	alanz	mpickering, your persistVirtualFile does a nop if the file had been persisted, and then the VFS changes
2019-05-05 23:48:37	alanz	we should probably store a version id for the VFS at that point, and dump again if it changed.
2019-05-06 00:00:48	lukelau	Should we move the hie-bios branch onto the Haskell org remote? That way others than push to it as well, especially if it’s long running
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2019-05-06 00:10:50	alanz	lukelau, no, it is mpickering's baby, lets keep it that way for now
2019-05-06 00:11:02	alanz	or rather, if anything should change, it is his decision
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2019-05-06 00:25:28	mpickering	alanz: If the file changes then the field gets set to Nothing
2019-05-06 00:25:57	alanz	ok
2019-05-06 00:26:05	mpickering	So persistVirtualFile will store the new version
2019-05-06 00:26:21	alanz	ok. 
2019-05-06 00:26:42	alanz	So we are using up temp file storage like crazy as the user edits?
2019-05-06 00:26:52	alanz	I think it is the only sane way to do it, though
2019-05-06 00:27:02	mpickering	Yes.. The old version should be deleted I guess
2019-05-06 00:27:11	alanz	no idea what any other process is doing at that stage
2019-05-06 00:27:33	alanz	maybe we should think in future of withPersistedFile
2019-05-06 00:27:35	alanz	or something
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2019-05-06 00:31:51	alanz	mpickering, right now ghc-mod litters /tmp with old working directories/files, so I don't think it is any worse than the status quo
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2019-05-06 00:33:31	wz1000	If -XCPP is not in the DynFlags, we can be using targetContents instead of mapped files
2019-05-06 00:33:31	mpickering	The function which applies the changes to the vfs is where the field is set to Nothing 
2019-05-06 00:34:02	alanz	wz1000, unless some other preprocessor is running. e.g. hspec-discover
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2019-05-06 00:34:48	alanz	I was wondering if we shouldn't put callback hooks into ghc, so that if the circumstances are right it asks for either the file or the contents
2019-05-06 00:35:06	wz1000	hmm. But we can probably figure that out too by looking at the DynFlags
2019-05-06 00:35:19	alanz	which then also allows us to update other files that are currently open (have VFS entries) as a given module is loade
2019-05-06 00:35:21	alanz	d
2019-05-06 00:35:36	alanz	something to keep an eye out for then
2019-05-06 00:36:02	wz1000	dxld or I will probably sort this thing out over the summer
2019-05-06 00:36:22	dxld	hm?
2019-05-06 00:36:44	wz1000	the targetContents tuff
2019-05-06 00:36:46	wz1000	*stuff
2019-05-06 00:37:37	dxld	alanz: what do you mean by "callback hooks"?
2019-05-06 00:37:46	alanz	yes, I am really looking forward to that
2019-05-06 00:38:07	dxld	why would ghc have to come back to us asking for stuff?
2019-05-06 00:38:23	alanz	dxld, it struck me that we can potentially set a hook in GHC, that when the pipeline is running, it invokes the callback to get the file contents
2019-05-06 00:38:46	alanz	and we return either the in-memory contents, or a mapped file, depending on what is asked for
2019-05-06 00:38:54	wz1000	If ghc has the contents of the file, why does it need anything else?
2019-05-06 00:39:02	alanz	so we only dump the file to disk if it actually needs it
2019-05-06 00:39:13	wz1000	It can write the contents to a temp file itself if it needs to
2019-05-06 00:39:16	dxld	yeah, that doesn't really make sense to me either
2019-05-06 00:39:20	alanz	It was just a thought that flashed past, have not really thought it through
2019-05-06 00:39:57	alanz	I was actually thinking about it in the context of getting diagnostics from related files if a given one changes
2019-05-06 00:40:13	alanz	which we used to have as a feature, but I think it got lost along the way
2019-05-06 00:40:35	alanz	i.e. we had the ability to return multiple typechecked modules when loading a changed file
2019-05-06 00:41:17	alanz	and it happened because we put all the currently mapped files in as explicit targets, AND asked the frontend hook to return their typecheckedmodule when processing them
2019-05-06 00:41:32	alanz	And THAT is a feature I am keen on having back
2019-05-06 00:41:42	alanz	But it needs some thought
2019-05-06 00:42:14	wz1000	I think I saw something like that in hie-bios
2019-05-06 00:42:32	alanz	I think hie-bios might be loading everything?
2019-05-06 00:42:51	alanz	I know I took a very quick look and it looked like it was loading one file only at a time
2019-05-06 00:43:02	alanz	but I have not spend much time looking at that branch
2019-05-06 00:43:20	wz1000	yeah but I think it saves all the dependent typechecked modules too. mpickering?
2019-05-06 00:43:22	alanz	I am edging towards it, as I slim down the api
2019-05-06 00:43:47	alanz	I guess it depends on our use case
2019-05-06 00:44:09	alanz	1. store info for possible later querying as every file is processed (.hie)
2019-05-06 00:44:24	alanz	2. Get current info related to files currently loaded in the IDE
2019-05-06 00:44:36	alanz	And I guess point 1 covers point 2 as well
2019-05-06 00:48:09	alanz	lukelau, heads up, I pushed out a 0.12.0.0 of haskell-lsp*
2019-05-06 00:48:20	alanz	with the changes requested by ndm
2019-05-06 01:03:52	mpickering	I can't answer now but post questions on the pr if you want me to answer
2019-05-06 01:04:43	alanz	mpickering, Im just thinking out loud at the moment, there isnt an actual question
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2019-05-06 02:41:52	lukelau	alanz: uploaded a new lsp-test
2019-05-06 02:42:05	alanz	I just saw your commit, thanks
2019-05-06 02:42:18	alanz	Now I have to wrestle with an equivalent for splitAtLine
2019-05-06 02:42:33	lukelau	for Data.Rope.UTF16?
2019-05-06 02:42:44	alanz	But I think it should be straightforward enough. See https://github.com/ollef/rope-utf16-splay/issues/2
2019-05-06 02:42:45	alanz	yes
2019-05-06 02:44:30	alanz	feels horrible to have to go through the thing line by line though.
2019-05-06 02:44:52	lukelau	horrible idea: ropeSplitAtLine = splitAtLine . tail . init . show
2019-05-06 02:45:23	alanz	But the yi-rope one is pretty horrible too. See http://hackage.haskell.org/package/yi-rope-0.11/docs/src/Yi.Rope.html#splitAtLine
2019-05-06 02:45:45	lukelau	wait hold on I think I’ve ran into this before as well...
2019-05-06 02:46:09	lukelau	I tried to implement it when I was redoing some of the lsp textedit stuff
2019-05-06 02:46:16	lukelau	but for Data.Text
2019-05-06 02:46:36	alanz	If a splay tree is like a fingertree, we should have a measure in it, which can include the line number
2019-05-06 02:46:57	alanz	which means we can do a simple split by walking the tree, to get a specific line
2019-05-06 02:47:16	alanz	but may mean adding to whatever is stored in the measure already. If it has one.
2019-05-06 02:47:54	lukelau	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/rope-utf16-splay-0.2.0.0/docs/Data-Rope-UTF16-Internal.html#t:Chunk
2019-05-06 02:48:11	alanz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splay_tree
2019-05-06 02:48:45	alanz	cool, rowcolumn is what we want
2019-05-06 02:48:51	alanz	so just need to actually use that
2019-05-06 02:49:12	lukelau	Interesting, so reads on the tree modify the internal structure?
2019-05-06 02:50:18	alanz	And rowColumnCodeUnits is probably what we want
2019-05-06 02:50:38	alanz	it converts a row col to a position in the tree, which we can then call splitAt on
2019-05-06 02:50:50	alanz	For a splay tree? could be
2019-05-06 02:51:03	alanz	It says caching recent activity. Have not read that yet
2019-05-06 02:52:13	alanz	so it is kind of like a zipper, that stays open to the last accessed point
2019-05-06 02:52:24	alanz	assuming you will then carry on from there, mostly
2019-05-06 02:53:49	alanz	but this is not something I can tackle at the moment.
2019-05-06 02:54:19	alanz	as I need to hit the sack
2019-05-06 02:54:44	lukelau	Have sweet dreams about data structures
2019-05-06 02:55:31	alanz	thanks. I probably will too. dammit.
2019-05-06 03:47:37	dxld	lukelau: would you mind making a proper PR for the stack query locals workaround?
2019-05-06 03:48:04	lukelau	Sure, I just copied and pasted alanz’s code
2019-05-06 03:48:10	dxld	no point in you guys going off on a fork again now that you're so close to master :)
2019-05-06 03:48:48	lukelau	against ghc-mod master?
2019-05-06 03:49:30	dxld	I mean cabal-helper
2019-05-06 03:50:06	dxld	ghc-mod is a bit beyond repair at this point
2019-05-06 03:50:14	lukelau	ah right
2019-05-06 03:50:14	dxld	so I don't mind you guys having a fork there
2019-05-06 03:50:22	dxld	but c-h is still in development, so :)
2019-05-06 03:52:51	dxld	lukelau: oh and I don't just mean verbatim, but like cleaned up to support both 1.9.3 and above
2019-05-06 03:53:03	dxld	but if you don't feel like it it's fine
2019-05-06 03:53:07	lukelau	Yeah I figured as much, going to try and have it cascade
2019-05-06 03:56:08	lukelau	I also have another bug fix, mind if I make a PR for that?
2019-05-06 03:56:22	dxld	I saw it
2019-05-06 03:56:34	dxld	honestly I'd just not touch it because that code isn't used anyhow
2019-05-06 03:56:51	dxld	it's scheduled for removal as soon as I get around to it
2019-05-06 03:57:12	lukelau	cool
2019-05-06 03:57:37	lukelau	I’m trying to also figure out an issue with submodules/subprojects with new-c-h and ghc-mod
2019-05-06 03:58:22	lukelau	If I have a stack project with a cabal subpackage (i.e. it has no stack.yaml), it errors saying that it can’t find stack.yaml in the cabal subpackage
2019-05-06 03:58:40	lukelau	But it should still be using the same cradle as the parent stack project right?
2019-05-06 03:59:17	dxld	I'm not sure I follow
2019-05-06 03:59:32	dxld	you can't have a subpackage without a stack.yaml
2019-05-06 03:59:47	dxld	(AFAIU)
2019-05-06 04:01:12	lukelau	I mean if you have
2019-05-06 04:01:18	lukelau	| stack.yaml
2019-05-06 04:01:33	lukelau	| subproject
2019-05-06 04:01:34	dxld	oh
2019-05-06 04:01:41	lukelau	    | subproject.cabal
2019-05-06 04:01:46	dxld	ya ok
2019-05-06 04:02:08	dxld	well I'd assume you aren't setting the ProjLoc right
2019-05-06 04:02:14	dxld	let me have a quick look at the code
2019-05-06 04:02:20	lukelau	Probably
2019-05-06 04:02:50	lukelau	also I’m getting major deja vu: I swear I’ve made a PR for this stack workaround before, and I used <|> to fallback on them…
2019-05-06 04:03:40	dxld	maybe you never submitted it?
2019-05-06 04:04:03	lukelau	I’m furiously searching through my branches
2019-05-06 04:05:28	dxld	do you have any dist*/ dirs in the subproject?
2019-05-06 04:05:44	dxld	since this is ghc-mod's old shitty project discovery logic that would be a problem
2019-05-06 04:08:04	dxld	but beyond that yeah
2019-05-06 04:08:18	dxld	if it gets to the stackCradle case it should find stack.yaml in parent dirs
2019-05-06 04:08:50	dxld	but there are some mzero's in there so I'd need the debug output to be sure
2019-05-06 04:09:05	lukelau	hmm let me check
2019-05-06 04:09:18	lukelau	I traceShowId’d the cradle it was using
2019-05-06 04:09:42	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/bubba/68af05576655c77c2cef25fb352b28cb
2019-05-06 04:09:45	lukelau	you might want to wrap this
2019-05-06 04:10:22	lukelau	hie is running from just the root directory, ~/Source/haskell-ide-engine
2019-05-06 04:11:18	lukelau	actually yeah somethings off, I see “info: Found Stack project at: /Users/luke/Source/haskell-ide-engine/submodules/ghc-mod/core”
2019-05-06 04:12:33	dxld	I think this whole strategy we had then is just so fundamentally broken :)
2019-05-06 04:12:53	dxld	what if I want to have a git repo that already has a stack.yaml as a submodule?
2019-05-06 04:12:58	dxld	then I'm screwed
2019-05-06 04:13:34	infinisil	I'm using emacs + projectile to tell it where project roots are
2019-05-06 04:13:36	dxld	are you sure there aren't any other stack.yamls around messing with things
2019-05-06 04:14:13	dxld	I dunno projectile has the same problem
2019-05-06 04:14:14	lukelau	I mean there’s some in the test directoriies, but
2019-05-06 04:14:21	dxld	but at least it's closer to the user
2019-05-06 04:14:24	lukelau	none in ghc-mod/core’s parents
2019-05-06 04:14:31	dxld	nah those should be fine
2019-05-06 04:14:40	dxld	only ones in parents are problematic
2019-05-06 04:17:47	dxld	infinisil: are you manually putting .projectile files everywhere? For me only the git repo detection really works out of the box
2019-05-06 04:17:55	lukelau	I’m poking about `stackCradle`: I think I kinda see where its going wrong
2019-05-06 04:18:02	dxld	yeah?
2019-05-06 04:18:07	lukelau	Its just taking the directory of the cabal file it found rather than the directory of the stack file
2019-05-06 04:18:15	dxld	ah
2019-05-06 04:18:17	dxld	yeah
2019-05-06 04:18:18	infinisil	dxld: Yeah manually.. Wherever I need a subdirectory of a git project at least
2019-05-06 04:18:24	dxld	should be easy to fix then
2019-05-06 04:19:28	dxld	infinisil: my plan is to get away from this whole file based, hierarchical project detection, for haskell tooling at least :)
2019-05-06 04:19:52	infinisil	Yeah that would be nice
2019-05-06 04:19:56	dxld	I want the user to have the final say in where the projects are but with help from file detection
2019-05-06 04:20:22	dxld	so I'd just present you with a list of candidate directories/settings and you get to choose
2019-05-06 04:26:21	lukelau	dxld: what’s the difference between cradleCurrentDir and cradleRootDir?
2019-05-06 04:27:34	dxld	fuck if I remember
2019-05-06 04:27:38	lukelau	lol
2019-05-06 04:27:38	dxld	I was wondering that too :)
2019-05-06 04:27:47	lukelau	fuck it im setting them both to the rootdir
2019-05-06 04:28:16	dxld	hang ooon
2019-05-06 04:28:23	dxld	I'm checking in my code so I remember
2019-05-06 04:29:24	lukelau	Ah I see the culprit
2019-05-06 04:29:26	lukelau	for real this time
2019-05-06 04:29:36	lukelau	psProjDir   = \cabal_file -> ProjLocStackYaml ((takeDirectory cabal_file) </> "stack.yaml")
2019-05-06 04:30:02	dxld	ah
2019-05-06 04:30:25	dxld	fuck, I was going to paste that line earlier and then forgot about it xD
2019-05-06 04:31:01	dxld	so! cradleRootDir is where the foo.cabal file is and cradleCurrentDir is $PWD of ghc-mod back in the day
2019-05-06 04:31:39	dxld	so if you are in some source subdirectory say $PROJDIR/src/CabalHelper/Foo/Bar then root is $PROJDIR and current is .../Bar
2019-05-06 04:31:48	lukelau	right
2019-05-06 04:31:51	dxld	not sure that really applies to HIE
2019-05-06 04:32:04	dxld	how do you deal with cwd there anyways?
2019-05-06 04:32:06	lukelau	I’m going to change psProjDir anyway so that it takes in the rootDir
2019-05-06 04:32:23	lukelau	As far as I can tell, the cwd is always the lsp root directory
2019-05-06 04:32:23	dxld	well no
2019-05-06 04:32:30	dxld	that's not what you want
2019-05-06 04:32:42	dxld	_stackConfigFile <- MaybeT $ liftIO $ findStackConfigFile cabalDir
2019-05-06 04:32:55	dxld	the directory of that value that's currently being ignored is what you want
2019-05-06 04:33:04	dxld	could be in a parent dir after all
2019-05-06 04:33:26	dxld	the "root" for ghc-mod is just always a cabal package, it doesn't know about superprojects yet
2019-05-06 04:33:50	lukelau	Thats what I put in
2019-05-06 04:33:59	dxld	kk
2019-05-06 04:34:08	lukelau	But it didn’t change anything
2019-05-06 04:34:32	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/bubba/d56f023d09c03f96268ce9120e96fd5e
2019-05-06 04:35:21	lukelau	Because ProjSetup always calculates psProjDir based off of the cabal file
2019-05-06 04:35:29	lukelau	this in the new-cabal-helper branch only i think
2019-05-06 04:35:32	dxld	setupCfgExists <- liftIO $ doesFileExist $ stackDir </> setupConfigPath "dist"
2019-05-06 04:35:37	dxld	that's probably not right
2019-05-06 04:35:44	dxld	did you do a search-replace?
2019-05-06 04:35:49	lukelau	no! I saw that as well
2019-05-06 04:36:00	lukelau	But it is somehow correct
2019-05-06 04:36:10	lukelau	let me get the dump of the cradle
2019-05-06 04:36:13	dxld	used to be cabalDir though :)
2019-05-06 04:36:22	lukelau	`cradleDistDir = ".stack-work/dist/x86_64-osx/Cabal-2.4.0.1”`
2019-05-06 04:37:02	dxld	I suppose it doesn't make a difference
2019-05-06 04:37:08	lukelau	How is it getting that though?
2019-05-06 04:37:14	lukelau	I agree that it shouldn’t work
2019-05-06 04:37:16	dxld	$MAGIC
2019-05-06 04:37:25	dxld	`stack path --dist-dir`
2019-05-06 04:37:42	dxld	getStackEnv does that
2019-05-06 04:41:09	dxld	ugh I have no idea how that crusty old code is still working
2019-05-06 04:41:39	lukelau	Littered with old CPP pragmas for ghc 7.8 support
2019-05-06 04:42:26	dxld	:)
2019-05-06 04:42:48	dxld	I couldn't even find a working 7.8 for my workstation if I wanted to
2019-05-06 04:45:11	lukelau	Ack
2019-05-06 04:45:37	lukelau	I’m getting further, but now I’m getting those errors where it can’t find certain packages even though they’re listed in the dependencies in the .cabal file
2019-05-06 04:45:59	lukelau	The old “DEBUG: loadTargets:
2019-05-06 04:46:00	lukelau	       Could not load module ‘Control.Monad.Trans.Journal’”
2019-05-06 04:46:20	dxld	usually that's a ghc version mismatch
2019-05-06 04:47:14	lukelau	The ghc versions are matching, as far as I can tlel
2019-05-06 04:47:15	lukelau	*tell
2019-05-06 04:48:30	dxld	hmm need more details then
2019-05-06 04:48:42	lukelau	Ah, from the vomit logs its initializing a ghc session but all the package flags are the packages used in the parent project, i.e. hie in my case instead of ghc-mod
2019-05-06 04:49:10	dxld	oh lol
2019-05-06 04:49:17	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/bubba/29842fc73a94b621c40c4034923760f7
2019-05-06 04:49:56	dxld	yeah well
2019-05-06 04:50:09	dxld	I think you replaced a cabalDir -> stackDir too many
2019-05-06 04:50:15	lukelau	Yeah :(
2019-05-06 04:50:33	dxld	show me what you have in cradle again
2019-05-06 04:50:46	lukelau	It’s inside the gist
2019-05-06 04:50:57	lukelau	sorry the lack of wrapping
2019-05-06 04:51:03	lukelau	click on the raw button
2019-05-06 04:51:28	dxld	which gist now?
2019-05-06 04:51:49	dxld	https://gist.github.com/bubba/d56f023d09c03f96268ce9120e96fd5e ?
2019-05-06 04:52:34	dxld	oh
2019-05-06 04:52:38	dxld	I know what's going on
2019-05-06 04:52:43	dxld	and you're not going to like it
2019-05-06 04:53:06	lukelau	:(
2019-05-06 04:54:05	dxld	I have to do some digging, give me a minute
2019-05-06 04:57:13	dxld	unit :| _ <- runCHQuery ps projectUnits
2019-05-06 04:57:22	dxld	that's just not going to work for superprojects
2019-05-06 04:57:36	dxld	you have more than one component obviously
2019-05-06 04:57:52	dxld	so you have to filter out the one you need
2019-05-06 04:58:14	dxld	unit :| _ <- projectUnits
2019-05-06 04:58:17	dxld	there's another one
2019-05-06 04:58:22	lukelau	hmm I see
2019-05-06 04:58:48	lukelau	also, does the “DEBUG: Could not find a component assignment, falling back to
2019-05-06 04:58:49	lukelau	       picking library component in cabal file.” mean anything important here?
2019-05-06 04:58:56	dxld	I mean if it typechecks but you're ignoring 90% of the datastructures haskells "if it compiles it works" just isn't gonna work :3
2019-05-06 04:59:17	dxld	well I'm not surprised
2019-05-06 04:59:21	dxld	that's probably just fallout
2019-05-06 04:59:33	dxld	if the component info is totally bogus
2019-05-06 05:01:06	lukelau	How does one get the component that is needed?
2019-05-06 05:01:13	lukelau	In GmEnv
2019-05-06 05:02:04	dxld	ghc-mod doesn't deal with components yet at that level
2019-05-06 05:02:17	dxld	in CabalHelper land it's all about cabal packages
2019-05-06 05:02:50	dxld	so you just need to filter down what cabal-helper-1.0 gives you to a set of units corresponding to the cabal package you found in the cradle
2019-05-06 05:03:18	dxld	trouble is it looks like c-h doesn't expose the Unit.uCabalFile field you need to do that
2019-05-06 05:04:31	dxld	I was hoping I wouldn't have to expose that stuff
2019-05-06 05:04:57	lukelau	Would it also be enough just to read + grab the package name from the cabal file, filter based on uiPackageId?
2019-05-06 05:05:00	lukelau	How dirty would that be
2019-05-06 05:05:34	dxld	hmm
2019-05-06 05:05:37	dxld	pretty dirty
2019-05-06 05:05:49	dxld	but doing it at UnitInfo time kinda sucks
2019-05-06 05:06:04	dxld	we already have that info in 'Unit' it's just not exposed
2019-05-06 05:11:17	dxld	I think I can expose that for you though
2019-05-06 05:12:30	lukelau	I just added in a field for it in UnitInfo, going to try filtering it now based on that just to make sure this fixes it
2019-05-06 05:13:24	dxld	in the final version I'd do it on Unit otherwise you're going to waste a lot of time
2019-05-06 05:26:23	lukelau	Ok, I’ve done that instead
2019-05-06 05:26:39	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/bubba/cf4f0fe84ef222fc83c4117a6459fc48
2019-05-06 05:26:47	lukelau	building + testing now
2019-05-06 05:27:52	dxld	no that's not quite it either
2019-05-06 05:28:11	dxld	a unit is essentially a component
2019-05-06 05:28:23	dxld	so you're _going_ to have multiple per cabal file
2019-05-06 05:28:49	dxld	so arbitrarily picking the first one is no good
2019-05-06 05:28:54	lukelau	But a cradle doesn’t have any more information about components right?
2019-05-06 05:29:19	dxld	?
2019-05-06 05:30:05	dxld	components come into play in CabalHelper.hs, right where ghc-mod goes in and gets (GmComponent 'Raw ...) or something like that out for each component
2019-05-06 05:30:34	dxld	and that's where you should carry the [Unit] you filter out for the cabal file to
2019-05-06 05:31:00	lukelau	In `getComponents` ?
2019-05-06 05:31:18	dxld	and then there you can call 'unitInfo :: Unit -> m UnitInfo' to get the info for those
2019-05-06 05:31:24	dxld	sounds about right
2019-05-06 05:31:43	lukelau	But that just calls `runCHQuery ps allUnits`
2019-05-06 05:32:10	dxld	well then filter there :)
2019-05-06 05:32:53	lukelau	I’ve also found another issue
2019-05-06 05:33:11	lukelau	the projectUnits query doesn’t seem to return any units within the subproject
2019-05-06 05:33:20	dxld	I really need a local checkout of this, just looking at the diff blob is messing with my head
2019-05-06 05:33:39	lukelau	Yeah let me create a branch and point you at my lines
2019-05-06 05:33:48	dxld	hmm
2019-05-06 05:34:05	dxld	you have the subproject listed in stack.yaml?
2019-05-06 05:35:47	lukelau	https://github.com/bubba/ghc-mod/blob/b43d2e13d03d97079b5c02728047d03395b26365/core/GhcMod/CabalHelper.hs#L270
2019-05-06 05:35:47	lukelau	https://github.com/bubba/ghc-mod/blob/b43d2e13d03d97079b5c02728047d03395b26365/core/GhcMod/CabalHelper.hs#L270
2019-05-06 05:35:57	lukelau	yeah
2019-05-06 05:36:27	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/bubba/cb0d62ba627ce0bcea1c36d0772818b1
2019-05-06 05:36:31	lukelau	And these are the projectunits
2019-05-06 05:38:27	dxld	odd
2019-05-06 05:38:32	dxld	but one thing after the other
2019-05-06 05:38:47	dxld	that sounds like I'll have to sit down and do some proper debugging
2019-05-06 05:38:52	dxld	so let's just ignore it for now :)
2019-05-06 05:39:28	lukelau	I invited you as a collaborator so feel free to hack away at that branch
2019-05-06 05:39:55	dxld	uff, not sure I want to
2019-05-06 05:40:04	dxld	because if I start I'll end up rewriting everything
2019-05-06 05:40:29	dxld	today is gsoc announcement day, let's see how that goes first :)
2019-05-06 05:42:25	lukelau	I’m sure there’ll be surprises as to how your proposal goes
2019-05-06 05:42:29	lukelau	*no
2019-05-06 05:42:52	dxld	I dunno
2019-05-06 05:43:12	dxld	I'm still hoping I don't get accepted so I can just not do anything for three months :)
2019-05-06 05:43:16	lukelau	all tooling projects are good projects
2019-05-06 05:43:35	lukelau	lol
2019-05-06 05:43:45	dxld	I read my proposal again today and I think the full week of work I put into it really shows
2019-05-06 05:43:46	lukelau	you might be able to enjoy your summer that way then
2019-05-06 05:43:58	dxld	so if it's not accepted I dunno what I could have done differently ;)
2019-05-06 05:44:24	dxld	nah, after like two weeks I'll feel like shit because I'm not doing anything useful
2019-05-06 05:44:29	lukelau	yeah, but i’d be very surprised if it wasn’t accepted
2019-05-06 05:44:40	dxld	and then I'll just end up hacking on haskell stuff anyways
2019-05-06 05:44:52	lukelau	so either way it goes, its a win win?
2019-05-06 05:44:57	dxld	well I dunno how many other high quality proposals there are
2019-05-06 05:45:12	dxld	a lot more people were talking about doing a haskell gsoc than I expected
2019-05-06 05:45:19	dxld	I dunno
2019-05-06 05:45:27	dxld	could end up doing non tooling stuff
2019-05-06 05:45:34	dxld	I have like so may other projects
2019-05-06 05:45:34	lukelau	not as many have as much experience as you though
2019-05-06 05:45:46	lukelau	like I didn’t realise you were a student until you applied this year...
2019-05-06 05:45:47	dxld	I dunno about "experience"
2019-05-06 05:45:53	dxld	more like scars
2019-05-06 05:46:12	dxld	yeah I'm lazy
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2019-05-06 05:47:02	lukelau	ahaha
2019-05-06 05:47:06	dxld	work or other stuff always tends to get in the way of me actually going to classes
2019-05-06 05:47:56	dxld	but this year I should be finishing up for sure ;)
2019-05-06 05:48:06	lukelau	and then you’ll have all the time in the world for hacking :)
2019-05-06 05:48:12	dxld	eer
2019-05-06 05:48:21	dxld	all in the time in the world for job seeking
2019-05-06 05:48:57	lukelau	dont do it, jobs arent not fun. im on work placement at the moment and its soul sucking
2019-05-06 05:49:08	lukelau	but mainly because its with cpp
2019-05-06 05:49:13	dxld	but university isn't any fun either
2019-05-06 05:49:40	lukelau	are you studying a comp-sciish degree?
2019-05-06 05:49:43	dxld	yeah quit my last job at the university because our groups haskell project was done and I would have had to do c++ stuff now :P
2019-05-06 05:50:14	lukelau	haha
2019-05-06 05:50:21	dxld	or rust maybe
2019-05-06 05:50:25	lukelau	anyway im off to bed now
2019-05-06 05:50:26	dxld	which would have been ok
2019-05-06 05:50:30	lukelau	bareable
2019-05-06 05:50:36	dxld	but didn't end up happening
2019-05-06 05:50:49	dxld	hehe
2019-05-06 05:50:52	dxld	alright
2019-05-06 05:51:01	lukelau	if youre ever looking for jobs though, https://www.functionalworks.com is a good place to start
2019-05-06 05:51:02	lukelau	see ya
2019-05-06 05:51:42	dxld	yeah I know that one
2019-05-06 05:51:55	dxld	but atm I'm not actively looking
2019-05-06 05:52:26	dxld	though I hate how you have to register
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2019-05-06 17:36:09	fendor	infinisil, can I use all-hies already to build current hie master?
2019-05-06 17:42:05	infinisil	fendor: if you modify the update script and are willing to wait for a long time, yes xD
2019-05-06 17:42:25	fendor	can it not use the some cached artifacts?
2019-05-06 17:43:57	infinisil	It can yeah, but not everything. The slowest part is stack2nix anyways though
2019-05-06 17:44:53	infinisil	I plan to improve the update script soon
2019-05-06 17:47:05	fendor	yeah, stack2nix performance is... special
2019-05-06 17:47:46	fendor	but I really love this repo, I learn a lot about nix package management with it! 
2019-05-06 17:48:14	fendor	so many useful comments *.*
2019-05-06 17:49:01	infinisil	:D
2019-05-06 18:04:09	fendor	will hie-nix point to the new repo?
2019-05-06 18:04:36	fendor	otherwise, I would do a pr to update hie to 0.9.0.0
2019-05-06 18:51:13	infinisil	fendor: domenkozar told me he'd deprecate hie-nix, he probably needs a ping on that
2019-05-06 18:51:45	fendor	btw, I cant seem to execute `./update.hs`. Do I have to do more?
2019-05-06 18:57:04	infinisil	fendor: What's the error?
2019-05-06 18:57:32	fendor	https://gist.github.com/fendor/2d77654a882dc0d354926072691fc82b
2019-05-06 18:57:55	fendor	it looks like it is importing Cabal-2.4.1.0 but is linked against Cabal-2.4.0.1?
2019-05-06 18:57:58	fendor	or vice versa
2019-05-06 18:58:13	infinisil	That is weird..
2019-05-06 18:58:31	infinisil	fendor: Oh, try adding `--pure` to the second line of the script
2019-05-06 18:58:54	fendor	alright
2019-05-06 18:59:14	fendor	same error
2019-05-06 18:59:18	fendor	is my env somehow very impure?
2019-05-06 18:59:35	fendor	"
2019-05-06 18:59:35	fendor	#!nix-shell -i runhaskell shell.nix --pure
2019-05-06 18:59:35	fendor	"
2019-05-06 18:59:50	infinisil	Very weird.. Can't say
2019-05-06 19:02:12	infinisil	fendor: What does `nix-shell --run 'which cabal'` return?
2019-05-06 19:02:45	fendor	 /nix/store/i98q54ncsg2wkhwr3zy1nwabjq5h7dxf-ghc-8.6.4-with-packages/bin/cabal
2019-05-06 19:02:54	infinisil	The very same for me
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2019-05-06 19:08:07	fendor	output of  nix-shell --run "ghc-pkg list | grep Cabal" is interesting
2019-05-06 19:08:21	fendor	 Cabal-2.4.0.1, Cabal-2.4.1.0
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2019-05-06 19:09:20	fendor	my output of ghc-pkg list | grep Cabal always gives me that
2019-05-06 19:09:42	infinisil	I'll try debug this in ~2 hours, don't have much time right now
2019-05-06 19:09:58	fendor	i am gone then, no worries, I think it is my mistake
2019-05-06 19:10:25	infinisil	Nix *should* be able to give a pure environment where such things don't happen, I think I screwed up with the shell.nix file :P
2019-05-06 19:10:57	fendor	no, not you
2019-05-06 19:11:02	fendor	it is my config, imo
2019-05-06 19:11:19	fendor	since ghc-pkg list gives weird results anyways
2019-05-06 19:11:19	infinisil	I really don't think so, but if you insist :)
2019-05-06 19:11:22	infinisil	Ah
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2019-05-06 20:24:10	mpickering	I was thinking it would be good to add proper multi-component support to ghci
2019-05-06 20:24:17	mpickering	so you could load two components, one which depends on another
2019-05-06 20:24:20	mpickering	and typing :r does the right thing
2019-05-06 20:24:28	mpickering	but the components can have different configurations
2019-05-06 20:26:40	alanz	mpickering, that would be a ghc feature?
2019-05-06 20:28:18	mpickering	Yes and if that was in ghc managing multiple sessions would be trivial in hie I think
2019-05-06 20:35:46	alanz	agree
2019-05-06 20:35:55	alanz	but I think it is actually a hard problem.
2019-05-06 20:36:15	alanz	And having a re-entrant linker is possibly the key, to allow multiple sessions
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2019-05-06 21:15:09	infinisil	fendor: Can you try the update script on this branch again? https://github.com/Infinisil/all-hies/tree/working-env
2019-05-06 21:15:49	fendor	infinisil, same error
2019-05-06 21:15:59	fendor	but it downloads a bunch of stuff prior
2019-05-06 21:16:06	infinisil	Wow you're fast
2019-05-06 21:16:22	infinisil	Hmm okay let me try something else..
2019-05-06 21:18:03	fendor	maybe stack2nix has a Version of Cabal different to the imported one?
2019-05-06 21:21:07	fendor	I am trying cabal new-build now
2019-05-06 21:22:22	fendor	cabal new-build succeeds
2019-05-06 21:23:46	infinisil	Huh weird
2019-05-06 21:24:16	fendor	I have stack2nix locally installed, via nix-env, if this may be a problem?
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2019-05-06 21:29:38	infinisil	fendor: I'm using stack2nix as a library, so that shouldn't be a problem
2019-05-06 21:29:48	fendor	right.
2019-05-06 21:30:24	fendor	idk, maybe the Cabal version of stack2nix via nix is different to the Cabal version that is installed via shell.nix?
2019-05-06 21:33:13	infinisil	I'll just write a proper nix-build
2019-05-06 21:35:29	fendor	i am fine with a cabal new-run update :D 
2019-05-06 21:39:08	infinisil	fendor: Alright I pushed an update to that branch, now you can `nix-build update.nix && result/bin/update`, pretty sure
2019-05-06 21:40:36	fendor	infinisil, nyep, now it works
2019-05-06 21:51:06	infinisil	Ah darn still not quite, stack2nix needs some binary at runtime I'm missing
2019-05-06 21:52:09	fendor	stack2nix needs some binary at run-time? that sounds weird
2019-05-06 21:57:37	infinisil	Yeah, git, nix-prefetch-url, and apparently nix-build too
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2019-05-06 21:59:21	fendor	sounds reasonable to me
2019-05-06 22:02:26	infinisil	And apparently awk and mktemp too
2019-05-06 22:02:55	infinisil	But I guess that comes from git
2019-05-06 22:06:12	fendor	cabal makes me sad.
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2019-05-06 23:37:04	wz1000	18 gsoc slots this time round
2019-05-06 23:40:43	alanz	nice. I guess they are announced? Who all/how many for hie?
2019-05-06 23:41:42	wz1000	alanz: dxld and me
2019-05-06 23:41:57	alanz	great, and I see I am a (co-) mentor on both
2019-05-06 23:41:59	alanz	well done
2019-05-06 23:42:34	wz1000	well, I haven't _done_ anything yet
2019-05-06 23:42:58	mpickering	you wrote the application
2019-05-06 23:43:08	alanz	dhall language server too
2019-05-06 23:43:17	mpickering	and also the change you promised to do with the type map already got done (but not by you :P)
2019-05-06 23:43:23	alanz	mpickering, threadscope: is that yours? else timely
2019-05-06 23:43:36	wz1000	oh, lukelau is a mentor on that
2019-05-06 23:43:45	mpickering	no not mine
2019-05-06 23:44:11	alanz	where is the official announcement? I see stuff on the mentors control panel?
2019-05-06 23:44:33	mpickering	there is a public list I was just looking at
2019-05-06 23:44:39	wz1000	If you open the summer of code page in a private window, you can see all the projects
2019-05-06 23:45:14	alanz	ok
2019-05-06 23:45:16	wz1000	mpickering: I didn't want to do that because the type map generation stuff is already in the .hie files. Just need to read it.
2019-05-06 23:45:53	wz1000	but I guess it will be nice for people who can't use 8.8
2019-05-06 23:46:47	wz1000	mpickering: or are you talking about saving the types in the AST so we don't have to desugar?
2019-05-06 23:46:57	mpickering	no
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2019-05-06 23:52:27	wz1000	so there's a project on "Chrome Extension for Fake News and Click-Bait News Detection using AI"
2019-05-06 23:52:38	wz1000	sounds like a terrible idea
2019-05-06 23:52:52	alanz	fully buzzword compliant though
2019-05-06 23:53:11	mpickering	What org is that?
2019-05-06 23:53:23	mpickering	I agree sounds like a terrible project idea
2019-05-06 23:53:32	wz1000	https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/4765796773920768/
2019-05-06 23:55:42	fendor	what is the desired behaviour when adding a package to package.yaml? If there are global dependencies, add it to it, otherwise add it to all components the module, which wants to add a dep, is part of?
2019-05-06 23:56:43	wz1000	they are also trying to formalize philosophy is Isabelle
2019-05-06 23:57:08	alanz	how?
2019-05-06 23:57:22	wz1000	https://gitlab.com/aossie/ComputationalPhilosophy
2019-05-07 00:00:17	alanz	ok
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2019-05-07 08:03:01	lukelau	dxld wz1000: no surprises as to your projects being selected!
2019-05-07 08:04:07	lukelau	fendor: IIRC the addpackage plugin currently uses a heuristic to try and add it to just the component that the module belongs to, or if it fails/belongs to multiple add it to all components, but this could be improved
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2019-05-07 10:21:55	mouse07410	HIEv refers to `hie-wrapper` script that can be used to deal with multiple hie installations. But I was unable to find that script. Could you help please?! In trying to install separate copies of hie fur reach coompiler versioni have installed (8.0.2, 8.6.3, 8.6.3, 8.6.4, 8.6.5)
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2019-05-07 14:08:02	fenedor	so, apparently Cabal Package Description changed key order in ghc 8.4.1. I dont know how to solve that, CPP? Adds maintenance burden but anything else might not correctly pick up regressions
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2019-05-07 17:40:28	mouse07410	HIE refers to `hie-wrapper` script that can be used to deal with multiple hie installations. But I was unable to find that script. Could you help please? I'm trying to install separate copies of hie for each coompiler version I  have installed (8.0.2, 8.6.3, 8.6.4, 8.6.5), as HIE seems to require it. The plan is to use it with VSCode.
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2019-05-07 17:52:48	fendor	mouse07410, did you use stack install.hs to install it? that script should generate the hie-wrapper
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2019-05-07 18:45:03	mouse07410	fendor: yes I did - but it did not install the final binary, even though it built it ok. Also, stack doesn't seem to install ghc-8.6.5 into `~/.stack/programs/x86....`. I see only 8.0.2, 8.6.3, 8.6.4 installed there. But the build did use 8.6.5 that was installed via `ghcup`
2019-05-07 18:45:32	fendor	mouse07410, it should be installed to ~/.local/bin
2019-05-07 18:55:01	mouse07410	Yeah, but only the previous successful build with 8.6.4 is installed in there.
2019-05-07 18:58:58	fendor	mouse07410, so, you did `stack install.hs hie-8.6.4` and only `hie-8.6.4` is in `.local/bin`?
2019-05-07 19:06:25	mouse07410	Yes. Except I think it's called `hie` there, not `hie-8.6.4`
2019-05-07 19:07:49	fendor	mouse07410, it should be both
2019-05-07 19:08:07	mouse07410	And `stack install.he hie-8.6.5` only produced binaries in the project-local dir.
2019-05-07 19:08:56	mouse07410	^he -> hs
2019-05-07 19:09:43	fendor	that should not happen.
2019-05-07 19:10:10	fendor	no errors?
2019-05-07 19:12:55	mouse07410	Exactly! If there were errors, I could at least understand failed installation. But it seemed to have built it ok
2019-05-07 19:15:18	fendor	mouse07410, can you execute `stack install.hs hie-8.6.5` and paste the output anyways? Also, output of `stack --version` and the output of `ls ~/.local/bin`?
2019-05-07 19:16:48	fendor	also, does the same happen with `stack install.hs hie-8.6.4`?
2019-05-07 19:16:56	dxld	lukelau: yeah I guess ;) I'm surprised how many haskell projects got accepted, I was expecting like 3-5 maybe
2019-05-07 19:20:21	mouse07410	You bet. Also, I had to add `--install-ghc` because without it I was getting error message "compiler version mismatch" between the requested 8.6.5 and installed in `~/.stack/programs/...` 8.6.4 (somehow I seem unable to add 8.6.5 to there, though ghcup installed it fine, and stack installed the previous versions there fine too
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2019-05-07 19:37:23	mouse07410	fendor: no, with -8.6.4 the installation completed as expected. It was about a month ago, or so.
2019-05-07 19:38:28	fendor	mouse07410, so, the real problem is, that hie-8.6.5 is not installed correctly?
2019-05-07 19:39:46	mouse07410	With -8.6.5, the were a couple of problems. First, it failed to match GHC versions, then it failed to install the results into `~/.local/bin/`
2019-05-07 19:41:26	fendor	mouse07410, I see, the log output of `stack install.hs hie-8.6.5` would be helpful!
2019-05-07 19:44:14	mouse07410	Sure, as soon as I get to my computer (40 minutes or so)
2019-05-07 19:46:12	fendor	great!
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2019-05-07 21:46:09	mouse07410	fendor: party of the problem turned out to be the local stack configuration. I now changed it to allow GHC installation, and restarted. Will report here, and post the logs to GitHub.
2019-05-07 21:48:08	fendor	great!
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2019-05-08 01:03:19	mouse07410	fendor: with fixed stack config (local for me, global for the computer) build succeeded.
2019-05-08 01:04:12	fendor	mouse07410, great to hear!
2019-05-08 01:05:30	mouse07410	Now need to figure how to make vscode use `hie-wrapper` instead of `hie` - assuming the wrapper can determine and invoke the correct hie version that corresponds to the currently-active GHC.
2019-05-08 01:16:59	fendor	mouse07410, afaik, vscode uses the hie-wrapper automatically, assuming, .local/bin is on the path
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2019-05-08 02:14:57	alanz	lukelau, I am starting to push utility functions from hie into haskell-lsp.
2019-05-08 02:15:33	alanz	Which should help with other language server implementations. And maybe the dhall GSOC one can be used to drive this process further too
2019-05-08 02:15:53	alanz	See https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/164
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2019-05-08 03:20:04	mouse07410	What's the preferred method of debugging Haskell programs on VSCode?
2019-05-08 03:24:29	alanz	mouse07410, you can look for a plugin called phoityne
2019-05-08 03:24:49	alanz	I have never used it, but it talks vscode debug adapter protocol (DAP)
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2019-05-08 03:26:44	mouse07410	Is it the only decent plugin for debugging? It seems to require `stack install phoityne-vscode`, and that fails on dependencies.
2019-05-08 03:27:14	mouse07410	Without that it seems to work somewhat...
2019-05-08 03:27:31	infinisil	I mostly just debug through ghci/ghcid as of now
2019-05-08 03:27:40	infinisil	Eh, not ghcid, just ghci
2019-05-08 03:28:31	mouse07410	infinisil: is the approach you use documented anywhere? And it's it integrated into vscode, or terminal-based?
2019-05-08 03:28:49	infinisil	I just use a terminal, write expressions, evaluate them, see what it gives me :)
2019-05-08 03:29:30	infinisil	It's pretty basic, but works well for Haskell :P
2019-05-08 03:30:01	alanz	I agree. I think debuggers are overrated
2019-05-08 03:30:09	alanz	you end up doing way too much manual fiddling
2019-05-08 03:31:23	infinisil	Apparently ghci also supports dynamic breakpoints: https://wiki.haskell.org/Debugging#Dynamic_breakpoints_in_GHCi
2019-05-08 03:31:30	infinisil	Never used that myself though
2019-05-08 03:33:08	infinisil	Apparently there's a whole bunch of ghci commands for debugging I never knew about!
2019-05-08 03:33:20	infinisil	:? and scroll to the "Commands for debugging" section
2019-05-08 03:36:10	alanz	infinisil, I think that phoityne debug plugin is just a wrapper around the ghci features you just identified
2019-05-08 03:36:25	alanz	*just* . Ha ha
2019-05-08 03:36:51	mouse07410	I see, thanks! So, if I'm ok with debugging via terminal, ghci may be the answer... I wonder if anybody thought of writing a vscode plugin for it? It it that what phoityne is doing?
2019-05-08 03:37:05	alanz	yes
2019-05-08 03:37:14	infinisil	Fancy
2019-05-08 03:37:25	mouse07410	I see. Thanks, guys!
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2019-05-08 03:37:27	infinisil	I wonder if LSP could ever support this
2019-05-08 03:37:47	alanz	well, there is a huge dangling questin mark about ghci/repl
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2019-05-08 03:38:16	mouse07410	BTW, what's the relation between LSP and HIE? I thought that LSP is a part of HIE?
2019-05-08 03:38:18	alanz	and I suspect it will eventually be solved by using -fexternal-interpreter for GHC
2019-05-08 03:38:52	alanz	But I think it only makes sense to look at it after the hie-bios stabilises a bit. End of northern summer
2019-05-08 03:38:59	infinisil	alanz: What's the problem with ghci?
2019-05-08 03:39:13	infinisil	mouse07410: LSP is just a protocol, and HIE implements the server-side of that protocol
2019-05-08 03:39:17	alanz	how to implement it in hie.
2019-05-08 03:39:22	infinisil	Ah
2019-05-08 03:39:39	alanz	It has its own session, hie manages sessions, when does hie drive things, when does ghci do it
2019-05-08 03:39:53	alanz	loading files, type checking, running code. Breakpoints
2019-05-08 03:40:06	alanz	how do you manage stdin/stdout/stderr
2019-05-08 03:40:15	infinisil	ghci doesn't have an API right?
2019-05-08 03:40:24	alanz	not at the moment
2019-05-08 03:40:42	infinisil	That is a bit unfortunate
2019-05-08 03:40:43	alanz	but the way forward will be to bolt on an API, separate from the user facing side
2019-05-08 03:40:59	alanz	There is an issue for it on the GHC issue tracker somewhere
2019-05-08 03:41:06	infinisil	That sounds brittle
2019-05-08 03:41:06	alanz	lots of discussion, no decisions
2019-05-08 03:42:43	mouse07410	I see... I think I saw in the prior chat messages about moving LSP out of hie? Or did I misread?
2019-05-08 03:43:16	alanz	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/issues/15461
2019-05-08 03:43:58	alanz	mouse07410, that is just moving some of the generic LSP server functionality out of hie into the haskell-lsp library
2019-05-08 03:44:20	alanz	which provides a language-agnostic implementation of the LSP protocol
2019-05-08 03:53:59	mouse07410	And if the current Haskell-lsp compiles/installs on my machines, I should expect that newer releases would be even easier to install?
2019-05-08 03:55:56	 *	infinisil just remembered that having to install libraries is a thing on other distros
2019-05-08 04:04:42	mouse07410	infinisil: oh no - it's "a thing" with Haskell as well, out likely worse. Because when stack tells me that it can't install phoityne-vscode because free-x.x.x fails to compile, it's completely out of my hands. With explicit libraries I can try to manually interfere. Here I'm screwed.
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2019-05-08 05:58:29	infinisil	mouse07410: Ah, but I was referring to Nix (which I'm using for everything), where you don't need to "install" dependencies anymore, so there's much less trouble with such things
2019-05-08 06:18:43	mouse07410	infinisil: it reminds me the C++ adage - "it's harder to shoot yourself in the foot than in C, but when you do it blows your whole leg off". If everything works - you don't even need to know that the package you installed pulled 200+ dependencies. But when it doesn't work (like in my case), there's no remedy - you're dead in the water.
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2019-05-08 15:13:59	lukelau	alanz: replying to your earlier message: that’s a good idea, best to share as much as possible as we can with other lsp servers/clients
2019-05-08 15:14:45	alanz	lukelau, yes, starting to do that. I guess we should do an organised sweep through it some time.
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2019-05-08 15:18:21	lukelau	Is there a new Haskell-lsp release on hackage for that PR?
2019-05-08 15:24:20	alanz	not yet, I have another change I need to make first
2019-05-08 15:24:31	alanz	that hover empty debacle
2019-05-08 15:24:45	alanz	And I don't want to do two releases of haskell-lsp for it
2019-05-08 15:24:54	alanz	lukelau, ^^
2019-05-08 15:26:38	lukelau	Cool, which by the way was the agreed solution just to drop the HoverContentsEmpty constructor?
2019-05-08 15:27:26	alanz	I think so. I brought it in because I needed the monoid, and thought it made sense in terms of the response encoding
2019-05-08 15:27:37	alanz	But I did not do my homework properly
2019-05-08 15:28:17	alanz	If I recall I needed mempty in hie for it. But I guess List [] is just as good
2019-05-08 15:28:50	alanz	Will tackle it after the merge of my current PR, to keep things simple. Will not be long.
2019-05-08 15:30:06	alanz	And then I will look into your new cabal helper branch
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2019-05-08 15:55:47	lukelau_	alanz: I have no idea why the protocol allows for null response contents. Are there any messages that expect a null response?
2019-05-08 15:56:04	alanz	No idea, but the spec calls for it
2019-05-08 15:56:33	alanz	And I technically do not need this, looked at the guiding ticket for that commit, it was about markupcontent
2019-05-08 15:56:43	alanz	so I screwed up, we will end up back the way it was
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2019-05-08 15:57:08	alanz	and if you care, you can set hover contents to Nothing in the response. i.e. Just Nothing
2019-05-08 15:57:17	alanz	to get the explicit null in the json
2019-05-08 15:57:29	lukelau_	Makes sense
2019-05-08 15:57:47	lukelau_	Btw, you use debian testing right? 
2019-05-08 15:57:51	lukelau_	What IRC client are you using?
2019-05-08 15:58:21	lukelau_	I use debian testing at work, I'm trying out polari at the moment
2019-05-08 15:58:28	alanz	lukelau_, does this make sense? https://ci.appveyor.com/project/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/builds/24386590/job/sdrx3r08u2fa7dpk
2019-05-08 15:58:36	alanz	lukelau_, I use hexchat
2019-05-08 15:58:45	alanz	via a bouncer
2019-05-08 15:58:54	alanz	at firrre something or other
2019-05-08 15:59:02	alanz	oddly enough, located in Dublin
2019-05-08 16:00:11	lukelau_	alanz: that looks like just some flaky stack thing
2019-05-08 16:00:43	alanz	thats what I figured. Im going to merge
2019-05-08 16:01:34	alanz	And considering dropping GHC 8.2.1 soon too, it does not support up to date versions of lots of things, like hlint
2019-05-08 16:01:44	alanz	so it is not really the same as the others
2019-05-08 16:01:56	lukelau_	those appveyor builds arent very useful in their current state, they just basically let us know whether or not it builds on windows
2019-05-08 16:02:14	lukelau_	yeah I think 8.2.1 has had a good run
2019-05-08 16:02:38	alanz	agree
2019-05-08 16:02:54	alanz	maybe we should make a discussion issue, leave it for a few weeks, and see what happens
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2019-05-08 16:09:29	lukelau_	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1249
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2019-05-08 16:48:43	alanz	thanks
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2019-05-08 19:58:13	alanz	lukelau_, I have published an update haskell-lsp(-types), as 0.12.1.0
2019-05-08 19:58:26	alanz	I have a branch of lsp-test that matches, but have not made a PR
2019-05-08 19:58:33	alanz	you are welcome to use it, or make your own
2019-05-08 19:59:07	lukelau_	If you could send me a PR that would be great, I'm still at work
2019-05-08 19:59:36	lukelau_	Btw is this not a major version change if a constructor was removed?
2019-05-08 20:00:45	alanz	Hmm. Damn PVP
2019-05-08 20:01:08	alanz	Well, it is out there, the PVP police can come knocking if they want to
2019-05-08 20:03:31	alanz	PR done, but none of the admin wrt a release
2019-05-08 20:03:36	alanz	do you want me to do that too?
2019-05-08 20:48:48	alanz	is anyone else seeing anything weird for time zones on github? It seems to be collapsing them all into my time zone without adjusting (for me). So posts from people east of me show up as being in the future
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2019-05-09 01:48:55	mouse07410	Anybody knows what should go into `.hspec` file? Somehow, `phoityne-vscode` when used with `hspec-discover` started complaining that `.hspec` for is not found, but isn't happy when I fed it an empty for either
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2019-05-09 01:51:47	alanz	you can ask hspec to dump a file with its failures from most recent run, to re-run only failed tests
2019-05-09 01:51:54	alanz	seems odd that it would require that
2019-05-09 01:52:35	alanz	nope, it is config
2019-05-09 01:52:37	alanz	$ more .hspec.1 
2019-05-09 01:52:37	alanz	--failure-report .hspec-failures
2019-05-09 01:52:37	alanz	--rerun
2019-05-09 01:52:37	alanz	--rerun-all-on-success
2019-05-09 01:52:59	alanz	I renamed it to disable it, so the .1 is bogus
2019-05-09 01:53:04	alanz	mouse07410, ^^^
2019-05-09 01:54:57	mouse07410	Thanks. But I don't understand - what if I don't want to re-run anything, especially upon success?
2019-05-09 01:55:35	alanz	well, those are just options I put in to mine
2019-05-09 01:55:38	mouse07410	Just the `--failure-report .hspec-failure` ?
2019-05-09 01:55:50	alanz	yes, was about to suggest that
2019-05-09 01:56:05	alanz	which gives a valid .hspec file, at least
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2019-05-09 02:02:25	mouse07410	Weird - with this .hspec I don't get "Come not found" any more, but now it fails on Spec.hs:
2019-05-09 02:02:42	mouse07410	```Haskell
2019-05-09 02:03:12	mouse07410	-- file test/Spec.hs
2019-05-09 02:03:44	alanz	does your project actually work? can you do say stack test?
2019-05-09 02:03:50	alanz	or cabal new-test, or whateebr
2019-05-09 02:04:14	alanz	(disclaimer, I have never used phoityne, only know it exists)
2019-05-09 02:04:15	mouse07410	{-# OPTIONS_GHC -F  -pgmF hspec-discover #-}
2019-05-09 02:06:08	mouse07410	Oh yes it works, including "stack test". This is more to learn how to use the tools than to actually debug broken code
2019-05-09 02:06:34	alanz	mouse07410, maybe you need to take a look at https://hspec.github.io/
2019-05-09 02:07:14	mouse07410	And it's a toy project, so it doesn't really NEED a debugger. Just preparing for a case when I may need to.
2019-05-09 02:08:18	mouse07410	I did. Did not help. And the file hspec seems to complain about contains just two lines, add you saw above.
2019-05-09 02:08:24	mouse07410	^as
2019-05-09 02:09:59	alanz	ok, I have never needed one of those files, until I decided to mess with rerunning failed tests
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2019-05-09 17:53:21	lukelau_	alanz: the PVP police have arrived lol https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stackage/issues/4525
2019-05-09 17:53:41	alanz	Yes, I saw that
2019-05-09 17:53:45	alanz	damn.
2019-05-09 17:53:52	lukelau_	Published a new version though and made a revision
2019-05-09 17:54:12	alanz	thanks.
2019-05-09 17:54:22	alanz	I need to pay more attention to those things
2019-05-09 17:54:35	alanz	And I am trying to work out what happened to my PR, the nop
2019-05-09 17:55:07	lukelau_	No worries, I don't think there's anyone not guilty of fluffing their version numbers 
2019-05-09 17:55:22	lukelau_	Moral of the story, manual versioning should not be a thing
2019-05-09 17:55:24	alanz	because master and my branch are identical, but the commit chain is different
2019-05-09 17:55:26	alanz	yes
2019-05-09 17:56:29	lukelau_	I presume those commits only touched the submodules right?
2019-05-09 17:56:54	alanz	But https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/network shows a difference
2019-05-09 17:57:06	alanz	scroll down to alanz/empty-hover-problem
2019-05-09 17:57:38	lukelau_	That would just mean that you've added some commits and then undone them right? So merging would just add the commits into history but not touch the files
2019-05-09 17:58:20	lukelau_	I presume https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/commit/3e2fcc786134d8537056e4b3d4dbb3fb9b6ab512 already added the changes you wanted to bring in in that PR
2019-05-09 17:59:08	alanz	I guess
2019-05-09 17:59:36	alanz	the state of the two branches is what we want, so all is good, I guess
2019-05-09 17:59:41	alanz	will just close the thing
2019-05-09 18:00:19	alanz	wait, something is wrong
2019-05-09 18:03:28	alanz	never mind. Will just move forward. Too much happening at the same time, and PR cycle time is just way too long
2019-05-09 18:04:38	lukelau_	CI cycle time?
2019-05-09 18:05:24	lukelau_	Should we also just turn off appveyor for now
2019-05-09 18:06:15	lukelau_	I don't think its really doing anything other than just clogging things. It seems that its very rare that something will build on CircleCI and not on Appveyor, unless its just some general flakiness
2019-05-09 18:09:08	alanz	I think it is important to keep doing the windows CI
2019-05-09 18:09:37	alanz	just a pain. And hopefully the azure builds will be available as an alternative soon
2019-05-09 18:22:00	lukelau_	I wonder if there are any window VMs I can spin up to start debugging lsp-test
2019-05-09 18:25:36	alanz	maybe have a look at the azure pr that power-fungus has been working on
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2019-05-10 04:22:57	mankyKitty	@lukelau_ these might be useful https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/ they're meant for browser testing but it's still a pre-built windows box 
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2019-05-10 11:35:27	teto	infinisil: llet's say I want to pin my project so that your hie builds are in cachix, I should pin my project to https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Infinisil/all-hies/master/nixpkgs.nix is that correct ?
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2019-05-10 12:54:50	infinisil	teto: What project version you use doesn't influence all-hies builds
2019-05-10 12:55:17	infinisil	You just need to use the correct ghc version one
2019-05-10 13:01:11	teto	is there a way to list the different haskell versions in your cachix repo ?
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2019-05-10 14:57:23	lukelau_	mankyKitty: thanks, that seems pretty handy. Is it just a whole windows VM?
2019-05-10 14:57:39	lukelau_	Also I like how the default password is "Passw0rd!"
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2019-05-10 15:58:46	infinisil	teto: Not directly, but the nixpkgsForGhc directory has files corresponding to all versions
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2019-05-11 18:55:27	reallymemorable	I keep getting this error in VSCode with the HIE extension: https://gist.github.com/reallymemorable/589a6bc421f9ca975aaac8d745745267
2019-05-11 18:57:58	infinisil	reallymemorable: No more logs? If not, run hie with `--vomit` and `-l /tmp/hie.log` and see if you get more info
2019-05-11 18:59:02	reallymemorable	sorry i dont understand how to add those flags
2019-05-11 18:59:07	reallymemorable	where do i input them in the GUI
2019-05-11 18:59:59	infinisil	No idea, I don't use vs code
2019-05-11 19:00:34	reallymemorable	what do you use
2019-05-11 19:00:40	infinisil	emacs
2019-05-11 19:00:50	reallymemorable	wow
2019-05-11 19:01:58	infinisil	Should be in the vs code settings somewhere, probably
2019-05-11 19:03:04	reallymemorable	{
2019-05-11 19:03:04	reallymemorable	    "languageServerHaskell.useCustomHieWrapper": true,
2019-05-11 19:03:04	reallymemorable	    "languageServerHaskell.useCustomHieWrapperPath": "~/.local/bin/hie-wrapper",
2019-05-11 19:03:07	reallymemorable	    "window.zoomLevel": 0
2019-05-11 19:03:09	reallymemorable	so i found that in settings
2019-05-11 19:03:12	reallymemorable	}
2019-05-11 19:03:55	reallymemorable	https://gist.github.com/reallymemorable/e5342b252e074f6612e55214434411a5
2019-05-11 19:03:58	reallymemorable	and that
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2019-05-11 23:43:39	fendor_	does all-hies already support building head of hie for any ghc version?
2019-05-11 23:55:44	infinisil	fendor_: I just fixed a bug with the update script, so that should work now. Running with `nix-build update.nix && result/bin/update master` would make it generate expressions for all GHC versions on master
2019-05-11 23:56:10	fendor_	infinisil, yeah! that's great!
2019-05-11 23:57:02	infinisil	It does take ages to finish though..
2019-05-11 23:57:35	infinisil	And then it takes another century to finish building lol
2019-05-12 00:03:00	fendor_	it invokes stack2nix right?
2019-05-12 00:04:13	infinisil	Yeah
2019-05-12 00:04:29	infinisil	stack2nix could really use some optimizations regarding submodules
2019-05-12 00:04:45	infinisil	recursively fetching haskell-ide-engine submodules pulls in like 20 repos
2019-05-12 00:05:06	infinisil	And it does that multiple times
2019-05-12 00:10:17	fendor_	yeah... we are about to disable recursive submodules
2019-05-12 00:10:33	fendor_	but neither power-fungus, nor me has the time atm
2019-05-12 00:11:06	infinisil	fendor_: What do you mean by disabling them?
2019-05-12 00:11:45	fendor_	it is possible that we dont need the recursive submodules
2019-05-12 00:12:00	fendor_	e.g. hare depends on hie, hie on hare, leading to hie -> hare -> hie -> hare
2019-05-12 00:12:08	fendor_	which is probably unnecessary
2019-05-12 00:12:32	infinisil	Ah yeah most likely
2019-05-12 00:12:41	fendor_	so, instead of git submodule --init --recursive or something like that, only --init
2019-05-12 00:12:42	infinisil	But now I'm wondering how this cycle gets broken in the first place
2019-05-12 00:33:40	fendor_	with what version of cabal has ghc 8.2.* been shipped?
2019-05-12 00:34:00	fendor_	it seems like their cabal parser has changed or was broken
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2019-05-12 22:51:48	lukelau	fendor: I think cabal-install and ghc can exist independently of their versions
2019-05-12 22:52:38	fenedor	lukelau, sorry, what is the context?
2019-05-12 22:52:52	lukelau	“fendor_: with what version of cabal has ghc 8.2.* been shipped?
2019-05-12 22:52:52	lukelau	fendor_: it seems like their cabal parser has changed or was broken”
2019-05-12 22:53:00	fenedor	oh alright.
2019-05-12 22:53:18	lukelau	Although the version of cabal is mostly likely tied to whatever is on stackage
2019-05-12 22:53:24	lukelau	for stack-8.2.2.yaml
2019-05-12 22:53:30	fenedor	Then I dont know, but in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1237 i encountered an interesting bug
2019-05-12 22:53:51	lukelau	Yeah, I want to take a look at it. The build-depends field is a pretty important field lol
2019-05-12 22:53:52	fenedor	the .cabal file parser does not pass my tests on a specific ghc version
2019-05-12 22:54:26	fenedor	I thought, it must be related to the used Cabal lib version
2019-05-12 22:54:27	lukelau	By parser do you mean this is the output your receive directly from the cabal libraries?
2019-05-12 22:54:44	fenedor	i think so, yes.
2019-05-12 22:54:50	fenedor	the output of the command addPackage
2019-05-12 22:55:02	fenedor	and the command uses Cabal, afaik
2019-05-12 22:56:02	fenedor	it seems like the output omits the build-depends field altogether
2019-05-12 22:56:12	mpickering	I'm not sure this command can ever work robustly. There are too many ways of specifying the packages, nix, hpack, stack, cabal
2019-05-12 22:56:13	fenedor	but I havent run the test locally yet
2019-05-12 22:56:23	mpickering	I suppose if it works just for cabal then it's ok
2019-05-12 22:56:36	mpickering	I remember there was a bug about the cabal pretty printer not printing some fields at some point though
2019-05-12 22:56:36	fenedor	i think supporting package.yaml is important, too
2019-05-12 22:56:45	fenedor	then that might be related
2019-05-12 22:57:12	fenedor	however, the problem of not having a format preserving yaml parser is pretty horrible, imo 
2019-05-12 22:57:29	lukelau	fenedor: I think there’s a gsoc project for a round-trip yaml parser (again)
2019-05-12 22:57:36	lukelau	hopefully this one is successful!
2019-05-12 22:57:49	fenedor	currently it is horrible, though
2019-05-12 22:58:00	lukelau	But yeah the addpackage command is not very practical
2019-05-12 22:58:19	fenedor	at the moment, at least
2019-05-12 22:58:24	mpickering	lukelau: Are you all set up with the mentoring now?
2019-05-12 22:58:43	lukelau	Yup, just had a video call there with gabriel and the student
2019-05-12 22:59:30	lukelau	Thanks for introducing me, the coding doesn’t start for another couple of weeks but it sounds like they have a good grasp of what will be going on
2019-05-12 22:59:48	mpickering	very organised of you. I only just got around to emailing Zubin and Daniel thanks to the Haskell symposium deadline and then sorting my life out
2019-05-12 22:59:58	mpickering	ok that sounds good
2019-05-12 23:00:12	mpickering	I imagine you can squash any misconceptions very early on if there is any confusion
2019-05-12 23:00:14	lukelau	the video call was gabriel’s idea ahaha
2019-05-12 23:01:17	lukelau	I’m really looking forward to these hie projects, this will be a good summer :) wz1000 dxld
2019-05-12 23:01:25	mpickering	my room is so tidy now, it's amazing. I'm ready to mentor. 
2019-05-12 23:01:43	lukelau	lol
2019-05-12 23:02:00	lukelau	what were you submitting to the symposium?
2019-05-12 23:02:05	fenedor	*feels left out*
2019-05-12 23:02:36	mpickering	there's one paper about how typed template haskell is broken and another about how to write source plugins
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2019-05-12 23:03:01	lukelau	fenedor: doh thats right. It feels like youre a full-time contributor since youve already done so much work :)
2019-05-12 23:03:02	mpickering	fenedor: Is your room messy or something?
2019-05-12 23:04:22	fenedor	lukelau, well, maybe next year :)
2019-05-12 23:04:45	fenedor	and it was actually half-time, spent 160 hours in the last 3 months
2019-05-12 23:04:58	fenedor	mpickering, not yet, but I could work on it
2019-05-12 23:08:16	lukelau	mpickering: fenedor is working on hie as a part of a university project(? is that right?)
2019-05-12 23:08:33	lukelau	for some sweet sweet ects’s
2019-05-12 23:08:34	mpickering	You should ask fenedor but I believe that's the case
2019-05-12 23:08:42	fenedor	yes, 12 ects summing up to 300 hours
2019-05-12 23:08:50	fenedor	mentored by hvr
2019-05-12 23:09:24	mpickering	Is this something anyone can do in Austria ?
2019-05-12 23:09:31	mpickering	or is it just something your school offers
2019-05-12 23:09:34	fenedor	apparently, yes :)
2019-05-12 23:09:44	fenedor	actually, our university
2019-05-12 23:09:57	lukelau	fenedor: for that pr by the way, i think we can just wait till 8.2.x is dropped and then merge it lol
2019-05-12 23:11:34	lukelau	alanz: is “singleBuild: invariant violated: multiple results when describing installed package” the stack error you’re seeing when changing about submodules?
2019-05-12 23:13:11	alanz	lukelau, That does not ring a bell. In what context?
2019-05-12 23:13:32	lukelau	https://circleci.com/gh/bubba/haskell-ide-engine/3381?utm_campaign=vcs-integration-link&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=github-build-link
2019-05-12 23:13:46	lukelau	seems to happen on ci a lot now
2019-05-12 23:14:38	alanz	I know circle has released new stuff recently, maybe we need to change how we run our tests
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2019-05-12 23:32:28	wz1000	mpickering: btw, what happened to that lsif web frontend thing which we had an email thread about? No takers?
2019-05-12 23:36:28	mpickering	Nothing as far as I know
2019-05-12 23:37:43	mpickering	my person conclusion is that sourcegraph.com should support LSIF and that would be way better than anything someone could conjure up on their own
2019-05-12 23:37:44	wz1000	shame, that would have been a useful thing to have.
2019-05-12 23:38:33	wz1000	The microsoft guys can also put it into github if they like
2019-05-12 23:38:54	wz1000	(They are doing it for PRs, no?)
2019-05-12 23:39:03	mpickering	yes
2019-05-12 23:39:12	mpickering	The format is still new though
2019-05-12 23:39:17	mpickering	I don't know if any other languages support it yet
2019-05-12 23:39:21	wz1000	but not for just browsing the repository?
2019-05-12 23:39:30	wz1000	typescript definitely does
2019-05-12 23:39:38	wz1000	c# also?
2019-05-12 23:39:43	mpickering	I mean other than the ones microsoft wrote
2019-05-12 23:40:41	alanz	I am pretty sure vscodd, github etc will have really good support soon
2019-05-12 23:40:47	alanz	but it is very early days still
2019-05-12 23:41:03	fenedor	lukelau, that may take a long time
2019-05-12 23:41:33	alanz	the microsoft support?
2019-05-12 23:43:22	wz1000	I wonder, given just a tokenizer, a bunch of files and a language server, if it would be possible to construct an lsif file
2019-05-12 23:45:22	mpickering	if you send each type of request for each source position then you could construct one
2019-05-12 23:46:59	wz1000	thats why the tokenizer - so you hit each token once instead of each position once.
2019-05-12 23:47:36	wz1000	And iirc lsif can group sequences of sources positions returning common results into a single range
2019-05-12 23:48:25	alanz	that process sounds pretty inefficient
2019-05-12 23:48:46	alanz	A kind of existence proof, but not something you would actually want to do
2019-05-12 23:49:34	wz1000	hmm. I assume most language servers have some kind of cache mechanism like HIE, so requests should essentially be lookups in the cache
2019-05-12 23:49:53	mpickering	you still have to perform thousands of lookups
2019-05-12 23:50:12	mpickering	It would probably work decently for a 10 line file
2019-05-12 23:50:25	mpickering	but not on GHC
2019-05-12 23:50:30	wz1000	You perform a lookup per token
2019-05-12 23:50:33	mpickering	but tbh LSIF doesn't work with GHC anyway
2019-05-12 23:50:40	wz1000	why is that?
2019-05-12 23:51:00	mpickering	because the LSIF file is about 400mb if I remember correctly
2019-05-12 23:51:22	mpickering	they were changing it to use a sqlite database rather than a json file last I heard
2019-05-12 23:51:38	lukelau	fenedor: yes, I would like to get this PR in sooner than later. I’m going to give it a quick look later tonight once I sort out my own branch first
2019-05-12 23:51:50	wz1000	Did you try gzipping it?
2019-05-12 23:52:11	mpickering	How does that help? The language client needed an uncompressed json file
2019-05-12 23:52:16	mpickering	and it crashed trying to load one that big
2019-05-12 23:52:23	wz1000	The JSON encoding is a pretty terrible machine representation tbh
2019-05-12 23:53:16	alanz	To be able to represent a decent code base, the lsif stuff is going to have to be in an on-disk db, I reckon
2019-05-12 23:53:55	wz1000	If the gzipping is a big win, then it is likely that a stream compression based approach or something could work
2019-05-12 23:54:08	wz1000	Or just a better binary representation
2019-05-12 23:54:19	mpickering	right, I'm reporting how useless LSIF currently is in practice :P
2019-05-12 23:54:42	mpickering	https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-lsif-extension/issues/6
2019-05-12 23:54:44	mpickering	that's the issue
2019-05-12 23:55:10	mpickering	https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-lsif-extension/commits/master
2019-05-12 23:55:18	mpickering	there is apparently Sqlite support now but undocumented
2019-05-12 23:55:37	mpickering	I also just noticed that one of the sourcegraph employees made a PR, so that looks hopeful
2019-05-12 23:56:52	alanz	the joys of working on stuff when it is still in the early exploratory stage
2019-05-12 23:57:22	alanz	It does mean you can influence stuff, but you have to deal with a lot of change over a short period as it evolves
2019-05-12 23:58:03	mpickering	wz1000: https://github.com/sourcegraph/sourcegraph/issues/3449#issuecomment-489469951
2019-05-12 23:58:09	mpickering	cryptic reference to LSIF here
2019-05-12 23:58:47	mpickering	I actually love trying to work things out from trawling issue trackers,
2019-05-12 23:59:53	mpickering	This whole LSIF sourcegraph thing started because I tweeted @ the CEO asking about it
2019-05-13 00:00:28	wz1000	sourcegraph got interested in LSIF because of you?
2019-05-13 00:01:29	wz1000	IIRC, the hie files for ghc weigh in at about 150M
2019-05-13 00:02:05	mpickering	according to that issue the LSIF files ended up being 678mb
2019-05-13 00:02:09	mpickering	it seems that way
2019-05-13 00:02:24	mpickering	I am confused about this though because they already knew about it
2019-05-13 00:02:33	mpickering	but seemed a bit confused about why I wanted sourcegraph to support it
2019-05-13 00:03:44	wz1000	that issue has a link to a private(I'm assuming) slack
2019-05-13 00:06:17	mpickering	indeed, the trial stops here for now. I think all we can do is make our LSIF support really good 
2019-05-13 00:06:31	mpickering	*trail
2019-05-13 00:06:47	mpickering	What's your plan for integrating .hie files into HIE zubin?
2019-05-13 00:07:11	mpickering	because it would be good imo if there was a h-i-e-lite which only worked with .hie files
2019-05-13 00:07:20	mpickering	Then you could use it with ghcid
2019-05-13 00:07:37	wz1000	yeah, thats my plan - to add a flag to HIE to enable that
2019-05-13 00:07:53	mpickering	The idea being that you pass the "-fwrite-ide-info" to ghcid and then point hie at the directory the files get generated into
2019-05-13 00:08:39	mpickering	obviously hie is a bit more sophisticated that ghcid wrt multiple components and so on but integrating with other tools is a win
2019-05-13 00:08:52	wz1000	I'm thinking a layered reworking of the HIE cache system - where you may have a typechecked module, a HIE file, or nothing
2019-05-13 00:11:08	alanz	sounds good
2019-05-13 00:12:25	wz1000	And maybe we can defer loading typechecked modules and rely on HIE files until there is a command that really needs it.
2019-05-13 00:16:43	alanz	and fall back to the one before if loading a module fails
2019-05-13 00:18:32	wz1000	yes
2019-05-13 00:19:49	alanz	That will be great. Nothing worse than some silly typo in the current file and you lose all access to the type info
2019-05-13 00:20:43	mpickering	wz1000: You should make sure our LSIF passes their validator as well
2019-05-13 00:20:51	mpickering	I never got around to trying it out more
2019-05-13 00:22:31	mpickering	Some more github repos - https://github.com/vsls-contrib/lsif-elixir https://github.com/Xanewok/lsif https://github.com/mholo65/dotnet-lsif https://github.com/RandomFractals/vscode-code-graphs
2019-05-13 00:23:06	wz1000	mpickering: thinking about it, your ghcid usecase opens up another question: With h-i-e-lite, you don't want it to try to call GHC or generate .hie files. But when we have a GHC session set up, we will usually want to invoke ghc with -fwrite-ide-info
2019-05-13 00:23:21	wz1000	and manage the .hie files ourselves
2019-05-13 00:23:33	wz1000	eg with mapped files
2019-05-13 00:24:52	lukelau	alanz: I was wondering why vscode was never restarting hie when it bombed: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/pull/155
2019-05-13 00:24:57	mpickering	indeed
2019-05-13 00:25:32	alanz	damn
2019-05-13 00:26:02	lukelau	But if its any consolation, I don’t think any exceptions being thrown inside Scheduler were being bubbled up because of `forkIO`
2019-05-13 00:26:10	mpickering	I suppose lite mode is a bit like the lsif server
2019-05-13 00:26:48	lukelau	Also I’ve just realised that throwError doesn’t get caught by our wrapper in `setTypecheckedModule`: only `throw` gets caught
2019-05-13 00:32:08	mpickering	but the advantage of lite mode is that it's more incremental than lsif
2019-05-13 00:32:15	mpickering	as with lsif you have to generate this huge blob
2019-05-13 00:36:05	wz1000	mpickering: do you think lite mode can be integrated into mainline HIE, or a greenfield approach would be better, throwing out hie-bios/ghc-mod
2019-05-13 00:36:36	wz1000	and writing a very simple thing that just reads .hie files and responds via haskell-lsp
2019-05-13 00:38:58	mpickering	hard to say isn't it
2019-05-13 00:40:04	mpickering	integrating it into hie will work better
2019-05-13 00:40:16	mpickering	because you will be able to update whilst typing 
2019-05-13 00:40:52	wz1000	But if you're using ghcid, do you really want to do that?
2019-05-13 00:40:59	mpickering	No
2019-05-13 00:41:03	mpickering	oh you mean specifically lite mode
2019-05-13 00:41:23	mpickering	you could have a cradle type = .hie file
2019-05-13 00:41:53	alanz	in my view you should first get it working, in a single environment (hie)
2019-05-13 00:42:02	alanz	then see how to simplify/extricate it
2019-05-13 00:42:10	mpickering	and then setTypecheckedModule would just look in the location the cradle specified to "load the module" but wouldn't get a typechecked module
2019-05-13 00:42:51	mpickering	it would just set the type map etc, similar to how now you can just get a Parsed module but not a type checked one
2019-05-13 00:44:26	mpickering	So there are now 3 things you can get 1. a .hie file, 2. a parsed module 3. a type checked module
2019-05-13 00:44:39	mpickering	Then modify withCachedModule for the typemap query to wait for a .hie file or a typechecked module
2019-05-13 00:44:49	mpickering	then the implementation is nicely backwards compatible with older ghc versions
2019-05-13 00:45:01	mpickering	doesn't sound too difficult to me
2019-05-13 00:46:11	mpickering	so "cache" mode is a normal cradle but also enables writing .hie files when a module is loaded
2019-05-13 00:46:19	mpickering	"lite" mode is a cradle where only .hie files are ever generated
2019-05-13 00:53:19	wz1000	We still need CPP for the part that use the .hie file API to read them.
2019-05-13 00:56:01	mpickering	that's true
2019-05-13 00:56:19	mpickering	you can probably restrict it to one module though
2019-05-13 01:04:48	mpickering	By saying `data HIEAst = HIEAst; readHIEAst _ = HIEAst` and whatever other functions you need
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2019-05-15 00:52:47	alanz	so, from hlint-2.1.18 it no longer supports GHC < 8.4
2019-05-15 00:56:31	alanz	and adds ghc-lib-parser, another large dependency
2019-05-15 00:56:45	alanz	but, should result in eventual hse deprecation
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2019-05-16 02:57:34	mpickering	dxld: Did you get that patch to compile in the end?
2019-05-16 03:02:48	dxld	still working on it
2019-05-16 03:02:53	dxld	but there's a bunch of stuff off
2019-05-16 03:03:15	dxld	well, actually just some stuff in downsweep i guess
2019-05-16 03:12:03	dxld	weir, he was passing a unitid down to somewhere where it wasn't even neede
2019-05-16 03:12:46	dxld	looks to me like the patch really is just utterly unfinished
2019-05-16 03:12:56	mpickering	:) That was my impression
2019-05-16 03:13:04	dxld	mhm
2019-05-16 03:13:10	mpickering	I guess it did compile at some point though
2019-05-16 03:13:28	dxld	yeah but if that stuff in finder is essentially all that's needed to handle interdependencies that'd be neat
2019-05-16 03:13:46	mpickering	but there is no logic about loading multiple components is there so we probably won't learn anything immediately if it does compile
2019-05-16 03:14:10	dxld	yeah
2019-05-16 03:16:33	dxld	though extending it to allow loading some stuff shouldn't be too hard
2019-05-16 03:16:46	dxld	I could just hardcode some ghc opts
2019-05-16 03:17:55	mpickering	yeah 
2019-05-16 03:18:06	mpickering	or even implementing something properly wouldn't be too hard
2019-05-16 03:18:16	dxld	mhm
2019-05-16 03:18:36	dxld	might as well start with this I guess
2019-05-16 03:20:28	dxld	ok after nopping out some `ghc --backpack` stuff stage1 seems to compile
2019-05-16 03:22:11	dxld	aw bummer, now his `error "unused?"` is throwing up
2019-05-16 03:27:24	mpickering	it does seem like they didn't compile this patch at all
2019-05-16 03:27:30	mpickering	which would be quite an amazing achievement 
2019-05-16 03:27:32	dxld	definetly :)
2019-05-16 03:28:12	dxld	why an achievement?
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2019-05-16 03:29:11	dxld	oh boy, I replaced that error call with hsc_currentPackage, now it carries on compiling but with endless streams of core lint errors
2019-05-16 03:30:51	dxld	s/errors/warnings/
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2019-05-16 03:36:58	dxld	hmm compiles now, ghci seems to work just fine.
2019-05-16 03:36:59	dxld	neat
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2019-05-16 03:41:05	mpickering	nice one
2019-05-16 03:41:10	mpickering	I think those warnings always happen
2019-05-16 03:41:13	mpickering	welcome to GHC development
2019-05-16 03:47:06	dxld	:)
2019-05-16 03:47:33	dxld	I spend the last two days just wrestling hadrian/make and the test suite
2019-05-16 03:47:37	dxld	I get the message ;)
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2019-05-16 03:50:20	mpickering	are you using hadrian or make then?
2019-05-16 03:54:43	dxld	both
2019-05-16 03:54:57	dxld	mainly make though
2019-05-16 03:55:12	dxld	I just pull them both along to see where hadrain trips up still
2019-05-16 03:56:44	mpickering	I just use hadrian because if it breaks I can fix it
2019-05-16 03:57:09	dxld	ah good to know I can annoy you about hadrian breakage
2019-05-16 03:59:34	mpickering	I use different build roots for different branches which has minimised any problems
2019-05-16 04:01:02	dxld	I' rather get those kinds of problems and fix them
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2019-05-17 01:58:09	mpickering	how many tests fail dxld ?
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2019-05-17 12:10:18	alanz	mpickering, lukelau code 1.34 has landed, with progress. https://code.visualstudio.com/updates/v1_34#_language-server-protocol
2019-05-17 12:28:27	wz1000	what are selection ranges?
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2019-05-17 12:31:22	mpickering	Thanks alanz 
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2019-05-18 17:07:25	alanz	lukelau, headsup, there is not haskell-lsp-0.13, changes some internal function behaviour slightly, no API change
2019-05-18 17:07:37	alanz	I am making a PR for lsp-test
2019-05-18 17:13:06	alanz	and a revision will probably do it
2019-05-18 17:14:39	alanz	which I have just done
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2019-05-18 17:37:38	alanz	Spending a saturday wrangling with revisions. Oh joy.
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2019-05-18 19:23:43	lukelau	alanz: updating lsp-test now
2019-05-18 19:24:09	lukelau	oh good thing i checked irc first
2019-05-18 19:24:10	lukelau	thanks!
2019-05-18 19:24:57	lukelau	Doing a release now
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2019-05-18 19:32:11	lukelau	alanz: looks like the npm package still isn’t released yet though https://www.npmjs.com/package/vscode-languageclient
2019-05-18 19:32:45	lukelau	I’m not sure why they mentioned the progress apis in the changelog, since it was also there in the previous version
2019-05-18 19:38:31	lukelau	also is it good to merge this? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1237
2019-05-18 19:38:36	lukelau	this has been on hold for a long time
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2019-05-18 21:09:28	alanz	lukelau, I think we can merge that. Last time I looked it said blocked, but I see it has been updated
2019-05-18 21:09:45	alanz	My time spent on this stuff has been a bit constrained recently
2019-05-18 21:10:07	alanz	quick reactions :)
2019-05-18 21:10:27	alanz	lukelau, I saw status:blocked, tbh
2019-05-18 21:11:48	lukelau	alanz: as far as I was aware the blocked tag was just for the 8.2.2 tests which acted a bit funny
2019-05-18 21:12:02	alanz	ok. Well, it's in
2019-05-18 21:12:17	alanz	hopefully the yaml roundtrip GSOC will help in future
2019-05-18 21:12:21	lukelau	But I think fendor just added a pragma around them
2019-05-18 21:12:30	alanz	Yes
2019-05-18 21:12:59	alanz	And I see stackage jumped on haskell-lsp 0.13 too
2019-05-18 21:13:00	lukelau	Yes definitely, was a shame the project last year wasnt finished. I wonder what progress the student had left behind? Is it salvagable?
2019-05-18 21:13:34	alanz	I'm not sure, but I was chatting to hvr earlier today, and he feels quite good about prospects, based on what he has seen so far
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2019-05-18 22:00:22	alanz	lukelau, I think that package.yml branch was stale, nothing builds now
2019-05-18 22:00:39	alanz	I am going to revert it, it needs an update
2019-05-18 22:00:49	lukelau	Damn
2019-05-18 22:01:11	lukelau	I wonder when the last commit was pushed to it?
2019-05-18 22:01:38	lukelau	And is there an option in circleci/github to rebuild branches whenever master changes?
2019-05-18 22:05:22	alanz	I don't know
2019-05-18 22:05:40	alanz	And my messing about with haskell-lsp revisions has not helped
2019-05-18 22:06:17	alanz	there was a major change across the cabal ecosystem because of a new package being published that affected everything
2019-05-18 22:06:22	fendor	will update it asap
2019-05-18 22:06:27	alanz	so stuff that used to build stopped
2019-05-18 22:06:34	alanz	dues to aeson issues
2019-05-18 22:07:03	alanz	And in fixing that I think I have made master unbuildable for the aeson dep, but my pending PR fixes that
2019-05-18 22:07:26	alanz	But I think the slimmed down hie-plugin merge broke the package one
2019-05-18 22:07:46	alanz	because it is complaining about a missing withMappedFile
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2019-05-18 22:07:59	alanz	which I think just moved its home, it has not actually gone
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2019-05-18 22:08:46	alanz	upshot is, only 8.6.4 and 8.6.5 currently build, until my haskell-lsp-0.13.0.0 branch lands
2019-05-18 22:09:02	lukelau	what package changed in the cabal ecosystem?
2019-05-18 22:09:07	alanz	which can only be in about 6 hours time minimum, because of the joys of appveyor
2019-05-18 22:09:49	lukelau	eh i think those appveyor builds are safe to ignore, as long as circleci passes
2019-05-18 22:10:06	alanz	lukelau, see https://github.com/haskell-infra/hackage-trustees/issues/228
2019-05-18 22:10:22	alanz	"primitive" got updated
2019-05-18 22:10:28	alanz	leading to a ripple effect
2019-05-18 22:10:39	lukelau	ah yikes
2019-05-18 22:11:23	lukelau	Should unbound constraints even be allowed on hackage?
2019-05-18 22:11:48	lukelau	Surely it the most relaxed constraint allowed should be `foo == x.y.*`
2019-05-18 22:12:08	lukelau	Since any other change is a breaking change
2019-05-18 22:12:54	fendor	the packager may not use pvp versioning...
2019-05-18 22:13:32	lukelau	fendor: I forgot about that
2019-05-18 22:13:33	fendor	there are packages that define their version number as the date of release. e.g. 2018-05-03
2019-05-18 22:13:55	lukelau	I’m not a big fan of those
2019-05-18 22:14:14	fendor	neither, but I can also appreciate the freedom we hav
2019-05-18 22:14:27	lukelau	True
2019-05-18 22:14:48	lukelau	The last place I worked at did a nuget versioning scheme of like 0.20180316
2019-05-18 22:14:53	lukelau	YYYYMMDD
2019-05-18 22:15:18	lukelau	And one time we did two releases on the same day, which broke our CI
2019-05-18 22:16:43	fendor	that's kind of hilarious
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2019-05-18 22:20:56	alanz	fendor, we seem to have a disturbance in the force. master with your branch reverted does not build for me either
2019-05-18 22:21:02	fendor	I get an error that GhcModCore does not export `GhcRn`, GhcTc and GhcPs. but this is the import in master? 
2019-05-18 22:21:09	alanz	or I have really screwed up my machine
2019-05-18 22:21:31	alanz	Blowing away my entire .stack-work and trying agian
2019-05-18 22:22:02	alanz	(in my haskell-ide-engine install directory, that is)
2019-05-18 22:22:37	fendor	I am trying to rebuild master right now, maybe the submodules were out of date for me
2019-05-18 22:22:44	fendor	since I havent updated in 2 weeks.
2019-05-18 22:23:24	alanz	I think some things have changed, via revisions, so the stack up to date checker cant work properly
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2019-05-18 22:24:13	fendor	does cabal new-build work?
2019-05-18 22:26:49	alanz	fendor, I have not tried on that yet, waiting for the stack build to end
2019-05-18 22:27:05	alanz	which succeeded, btw
2019-05-18 22:27:10	fendor	same
2019-05-18 22:27:24	alanz	for 8.6.4
2019-05-18 22:27:27	fendor	master builds with ghc 8.6.4
2019-05-18 22:27:36	alanz	the aeson failure for < 8.6 is expected
2019-05-18 22:27:47	alanz	and will be fixed when my new PR lands
2019-05-18 22:28:07	alanz	fendor, https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/3178
2019-05-18 22:28:12	alanz	cabal does not build
2019-05-18 22:28:16	alanz	will take a look
2019-05-18 22:29:12	alanz	hmm, ghc-lib-parser should not be in there, need an upper bound on hlint
2019-05-18 22:29:38	alanz	the latest one uses ghc-lib-parser, and we manage to throw a segfault in hie on one of the unit tests
2019-05-18 22:30:06	fendor	after the dust has settled Ill try to bump hsimport to 0.10.0.0
2019-05-18 22:30:37	fendor	a ghc segfault? :O
2019-05-18 22:31:55	alanz	yes, hold on
2019-05-18 22:33:18	alanz	fendor, see https://github.com/ndmitchell/hlint/issues/637
2019-05-18 22:34:38	alanz	and the segfault could be anywhere, but triggered by something wrt ghc-lib-parser, I am pretty sure
2019-05-18 22:35:48	fendor	how can that be debugged? debugging build of hie, hlint and ghc? 0.o
2019-05-18 22:37:11	alanz	all we know is that it can be triggered by that branch of mine
2019-05-18 22:37:25	mpickering	didn't that segfault get fixed?
2019-05-18 22:37:33	alanz	And I guess running it, and getting a core dump would be a good way forward
2019-05-18 22:37:59	alanz	mpickering, there was an update pushed (by cocreature , I think) which fixed something on windows, but not this
2019-05-18 22:38:55	mpickering	ah right
2019-05-18 22:40:01	alanz	so anyone looking for a nitty-gritty challenge, step right up
2019-05-18 22:40:29	alanz	It will be great to end up with hlint using the ghc api, albeit in a very roundabout way
2019-05-18 22:40:37	alanz	once we are through this
2019-05-18 22:41:10	fendor	i am afraid that would be too much for me
2019-05-18 22:41:56	alanz	no problem. I suspect it will mean building with debug symbols, ensuring core gets dumped, and inspecting via gdb
2019-05-18 22:41:57	fendor	i fail to reopen the pull request for the add-package-test branch
2019-05-18 22:42:20	alanz	I think you may have to make a new one, based on the branch
2019-05-18 22:42:33	alanz	and just refer to the prior one in the descrption
2019-05-18 22:42:48	alanz	Sorry to do this to you, I should have checked properly first
2019-05-18 22:43:12	alanz	This thing of ours is getting *way* too complex
2019-05-18 22:43:39	fendor	no problem
2019-05-18 22:44:22	cocreature	mpickering, alanz: we are still looking into it. We made some progress and are reasonably confindent we’ll find it soonish but it might take a bit longer. most likely we’ll roll out a new release of hlint that switches back to HSE-based parsing to give us a bit more time.
2019-05-18 22:44:46	alanz	cocreature, thanks for the update
2019-05-18 22:44:55	mpickering	ok thanks
2019-05-18 22:45:09	mpickering	perhaps this will also fix a different segfault I get when loading GHC into GHCi
2019-05-18 22:45:29	alanz	mpickering, this one relates to ghc-lib, I think
2019-05-18 22:45:49	mpickering	right but similar problem, running two GHC sessions at the same time
2019-05-18 22:45:52	mpickering	one inside another
2019-05-18 22:46:18	cocreature	it’s one nightmare of a bug. So far, I’ve thrown GDB, LLDB, Valgrind and other stuff at it without getting much useful information beyond occasionally going from segfaults to GHC RTS panics
2019-05-18 22:49:00	alanz	mpickering, I remember being told that GHC (and ghci) was fundamentally not reentrant, mainly because of the requirement for runtime linking, which uses FFI, and assumes a single process/address space
2019-05-18 22:49:51	alanz	having spent some time trying to track down and remove the various global variables (ahem, IOREFS) in GHC
2019-05-18 22:51:26	mpickering	there was a patch to remove some global linker state recently
2019-05-18 22:51:28	mpickering	which may help
2019-05-18 22:52:03	mpickering	One thing you might consider is invoking hlint using the external interpreter..
2019-05-18 22:52:08	alanz	great. But it *all* has to go, before we make progress
2019-05-18 22:52:13	mpickering	So it is run from a different process
2019-05-18 22:52:43	alanz	well, for hie we already match GHC versions, so we could skip ghc-lib completely
2019-05-18 22:52:53	alanz	I wonder if we could backpack it, or something
2019-05-18 22:52:57	mpickering	cocreature: Do you have any leads to find the source of the problem?
2019-05-18 22:53:41	cocreature	mpickering: we haven’t been able to reproduce the segfault with a ghc-lib based on 8.6 instead of HEAD sources so our plan is to bisect and see which change broke things.
2019-05-18 22:53:54	mpickering	oh
2019-05-18 22:54:08	mpickering	I was using HEAD as well if it's related at all
2019-05-18 22:54:28	mpickering	and csongor told me that running main used to work in the past
2019-05-18 22:54:31	mpickering	so perhaps you're onto something
2019-05-18 22:55:30	cocreature	It’s one of those fun segfaults that go away if you uncomment the test after the one that is segfaulting so I’m hoping it’s not just noise
2019-05-18 22:56:13	mpickering	Same as what I observed.. I set up some breakpoints in the ghci debugger and could step forever
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2019-05-19 15:01:32	teto	I get some weird behavior. Hie 0.9 generates some correct diagnostics, then after 5 sec, it regenerates some diagnostics and prints "Could not find module ‘Generated’ Use -v to see a list of the files searched for.". Generated is a module generated bu c2hs. I generate it manually via cabal build
2019-05-19 15:04:02	alanz	teto, is your example publicly visibly somewhere? or can you make one, or an issue that reproduces it
2019-05-19 15:06:38	teto	alanz: https://github.com/teto/netlink_pm/tree/v5 , in the "hs" folder there is the netlink-pm.cabal
2019-05-19 15:07:02	teto	everything should be in the "hs" folder
2019-05-19 15:07:13	alanz	thanks, I will see if I can take a look
2019-05-19 15:08:14	teto	it's as if the first pass of diagnostics was removing the Generated module
2019-05-19 15:12:55	alanz	it is probably related to loading via a mapped file, in the temporary dir, so relative paths break
2019-05-19 15:20:22	teto	oh I remember at some point I had to create a symlink 
2019-05-19 15:20:41	teto	that must be the same problem, just because I am on another machine
2019-05-19 15:20:52	teto	I don't have the symlink. 
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2019-05-19 15:42:19	teto	can't find the issue againbut looking at the logs, I see several "resolveEntrypoint"
2019-05-19 15:43:12	teto	I think it searches for Generated.hs in dist/build/Generated while it is generated in dist/build/daemon and co
2019-05-19 15:47:47	teto	can you access ircbrowse.net ? trying to search the logs for that issue but I get a http 403 error
2019-05-19 16:01:34	wz1000	mpickering: ping
2019-05-19 16:39:07	teto	anyone could upload the logs of the channel ? the answer to my question is in the logs but I can't access ircbrowse :'(
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2019-05-19 17:20:57	mpickering	wz1000: hello
2019-05-19 17:23:43	wz1000	mpickering: I've been fighting cabal for the last 2 hours trying to get it to build hie-lsif with haskell-lsp-types as a dependency
2019-05-19 17:25:13	mpickering	What have you tried? 
2019-05-19 17:26:34	wz1000	adding it to build depends(which tries to build Cabal-2.4.1.0 and fails because of the MonadFail stuff), patching Cabal-2.4.1.0 to get it to compile, using Cabal-3.0 instead
2019-05-19 17:26:43	wz1000	nothing has worked so afr
2019-05-19 17:26:46	wz1000	*far
2019-05-19 17:26:49	alanz	wz1000, there was a disturbance in cabal yesterday. Be sure to use the latest one I published yesterday
2019-05-19 17:26:57	alanz	or constrain aeson to be >= 1.2.2.0
2019-05-19 17:27:11	mpickering	Why does it depend on cabal
2019-05-19 17:28:03	wz1000	I don't know, I've been trying to figure it out
2019-05-19 17:28:18	wz1000	I'm pretty sure its because of lens somehow
2019-05-19 17:28:21	mpickering	Are you using head.hackage?
2019-05-19 17:28:24	wz1000	yes
2019-05-19 17:28:25	mpickering	Ah
2019-05-19 17:28:34	mpickering	Probably cabal-doctest
2019-05-19 17:28:41	mpickering	You can remove the lens dep
2019-05-19 17:28:49	mpickering	It's just there for testing 
2019-05-19 17:28:52	wz1000	haskell-lsp-types needs lens too
2019-05-19 17:28:58	mpickering	Oh
2019-05-19 17:30:43	wz1000	Can you try on your machine? Now new-build is trying to build Cabal-2.4.1 (lib) and Cabal-3.0.0.0 (test:*) for some reason
2019-05-19 17:31:03	wz1000	Its extremely frustrating
2019-05-19 17:31:30	mpickering	When I get home
2019-05-19 17:32:06	wz1000	the confusing thing is that when I remove haskell-lsp-types as a dep and run new-configure, it still shows Cabal-2.4.1 as a dep, but builds
2019-05-19 17:32:06	mpickering	Does it work without lsp-types
2019-05-19 17:32:10	wz1000	Yes
2019-05-19 17:32:20	mpickering	Paste the log? 
2019-05-19 17:32:40	wz1000	But then I add haskell-lsp-types, and it tries to rebuild Cabal-2.4.1 for some reason
2019-05-19 17:36:37	wz1000	mpickering: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/c1ae548b910b1527b0d3f35be72c12bf https://gist.github.com/wz1000/330b37000aa789371b6de9227d775197
2019-05-19 17:38:31	wz1000	alanz: which "latest one" are you talking about?
2019-05-19 17:38:45	alanz	0.13.0.0
2019-05-19 17:38:59	alanz	haskell-lsp-types
2019-05-19 17:41:23	mpickering	Is there a head.hackage patch for cabal? 
2019-05-19 17:41:36	mpickering	Just cabal get Cabal and fix it locally? 
2019-05-19 17:41:47	mpickering	That can unstick you at least
2019-05-19 17:46:33	wz1000	mpickering: there is no patch, but I patched it myself. But when I try to use it, I get this: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/efdbbf9e2f89b1bc40fc6e8468ff92d2
2019-05-19 17:53:43	teto	alanz: ok nevermind, I understand it
2019-05-19 17:54:25	teto	because I had to generate the Generated.hs for each target and I did it only for one
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2019-05-19 18:12:21	mpickering	wz1000: I am at home now so can you provide me accurate repro instructions? 
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2019-05-19 20:46:11	wz1000	mpickering: just try to add haskell-lsp-types to build-depends in hie-lsif
2019-05-19 20:46:31	mpickering	ok, perfect timing, I just got stuck working on my ghc patch
2019-05-19 20:53:38	wz1000	mpickering: if you need a patch for Cabal-2.4.1.0: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/wz1000/0d1f4769a15751b09f3538ed5ee6a2f0/raw/1b5891e40f4b8b98a97f7059a3f8d0b4d44e0095/cabal.patch
2019-05-19 20:54:00	mpickering	I just need to grab an up to date compiler
2019-05-19 20:54:07	mpickering	bindists are broken on master atm..
2019-05-19 20:59:16	mpickering	you are using HEAD or 8.8.1 release branch?
2019-05-19 21:03:27	mpickering	last time I tried this was before MonadFail, a simpler time
2019-05-19 21:04:35	mpickering	wz1000: Does `aeson` compile for you?
2019-05-19 21:04:45	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/HF3RHgqv/
2019-05-19 21:11:08	mpickering	wz1000: Worked for me..
2019-05-19 21:18:13	mpickering	I pushed what I have locally
2019-05-19 21:18:25	mpickering	I used the 8.8.1 alpha
2019-05-19 21:18:26	mpickering	ghc-8.8.0.20190424
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2019-05-19 22:00:32	wz1000	mpickering: I used head
2019-05-19 22:01:39	wz1000	mpickering: does 8.8 have fail in Monad?
2019-05-19 22:01:44	mpickering	yes
2019-05-19 22:01:54	mpickering	I also removed the cabal-doctest directory
2019-05-19 22:01:58	mpickering	that might have caused issues
2019-05-19 22:02:35	wz1000	mpickering: to do that I just need to remove it from cabal.project?
2019-05-19 22:02:43	mpickering	you can pull my changes
2019-05-19 22:02:48	mpickering	I pushed what worked for me
2019-05-19 22:08:16	wz1000	I thought fail was supposed to be removed in 8.8?
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2019-05-19 22:24:25	mpickering	wz1000: I mean that it doesn't have it in Monad
2019-05-19 22:24:30	mpickering	so "no"
2019-05-19 22:24:55	mpickering	I misunderstood you sorry
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2019-05-19 22:27:23	wz1000	So how can you use Cabal-2.4.1.0?
2019-05-19 22:27:56	mpickering	Cabal wasn't even in the build plan
2019-05-19 22:28:12	mpickering	does it still fail for you when using what I pushed to master?
2019-05-19 22:28:18	wz1000	some progress, now only lens doesn't build: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/ba343199fba58409cf70f1de5cad16e6
2019-05-19 22:28:35	wz1000	mpickering: Cabal was in the build plan, I had to use my patched version
2019-05-19 22:28:50	mpickering	ok, perhaps the CPP in cabal doesn't work with HEAD
2019-05-19 22:29:06	mpickering	that looks like a GHC bug to me
2019-05-19 22:29:49	wz1000	hmm
2019-05-19 22:31:34	wz1000	something to do with a5fdd185188fcda595fd712f90864ec7c20cdace? 
2019-05-19 22:31:45	wz1000	The -XCUSK one
2019-05-19 22:32:26	mpickering	it should be on by default
2019-05-19 22:32:39	mpickering	I think it's probably another int-index patch
2019-05-19 22:32:47	mpickering	which made kind and type variables get treated the same
2019-05-19 22:32:56	wz1000	yeah, adding LANGUAGE CUSKs doesn't work
2019-05-19 22:34:21	mpickering	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/361/diffs
2019-05-19 22:34:55	mpickering	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/361/diffs#d6904e295957d55c64f4949aa3b54695dd57dd76_19_19
2019-05-19 22:35:01	mpickering	that looks like it to me
2019-05-19 22:35:28	mpickering	so just add k1 k2 after the forall
2019-05-19 22:36:50	wz1000	So its not a bug?
2019-05-19 22:36:56	mpickering	seems not
2019-05-19 22:37:15	mpickering	perhaps the transition path could have been nicer
2019-05-19 22:40:56	wz1000	yay, lens builds
2019-05-19 22:41:09	wz1000	I still don't understand how you were able to build Cabal
2019-05-19 22:46:47	mpickering	I will check which version of Cabal was in my package db in a min
2019-05-19 22:50:43	wz1000	it finally built!
2019-05-19 23:02:15	mpickering	ok now you can try using it
2019-05-19 23:02:20	mpickering	you will probably have to remove some hard coded paths
2019-05-19 23:03:30	wz1000	mpickering: I already used it a bit. The issues happened when I tried to integrate my changes to haskell-lsp-types 
2019-05-19 23:04:41	wz1000	But I don't understand what the root_groups path is for
2019-05-19 23:06:12	mpickering	seems to be where the json is written to
2019-05-19 23:09:16	wz1000	no, that is always written to test.json in the cwd
2019-05-19 23:14:20	mpickering	oh it appears that it is used to make the "document" node
2019-05-19 23:14:23	mpickering	in the LSIF outptu
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2019-05-20 15:13:44	dxld	alanz: are you around?
2019-05-20 15:14:17	alanz	dxld, yes
2019-05-20 15:14:26	alanz	in a manner of speaking
2019-05-20 15:14:46	dxld	do you have time to do the gsoc status update now by any chance?
2019-05-20 15:15:41	alanz	yes, but would prefer to delay 30 mins
2019-05-20 15:15:46	alanz	could that work?
2019-05-20 15:15:47	dxld	sure, no problem
2019-05-20 15:15:54	alanz	great
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2019-05-20 15:16:36	dxld	mpickering: ^ that ok with you?
2019-05-20 15:16:58	mpickering	    sure
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2019-05-20 15:43:03	Franciman	Hi
2019-05-20 15:43:08	Franciman	Any news on new-build support?
2019-05-20 15:43:44	dxld	"WIP" :)
2019-05-20 15:44:23	dxld	it's part of my gsoc project actually, so hang tight
2019-05-20 15:48:51	alanz	dxld, I am just about ready, re-reading your proposal
2019-05-20 15:49:09	Franciman	thanks dxld 
2019-05-20 15:49:19	mpickering	wz1000: Are you here as well?
2019-05-20 15:50:25	wz1000	yes
2019-05-20 15:51:23	alanz	right, who is going to drive? mpickering ? you seem to have the best handle on things
2019-05-20 15:52:59	mpickering	Yep I can. I just want to get a status update from last week and get an idea for what the plan for this week is.
2019-05-20 15:53:12	alanz	sounds good
2019-05-20 15:53:13	mpickering	Also if we can help with any immediate problems.
2019-05-20 15:53:24	mpickering	dxld do you want to start?
2019-05-20 15:53:28	dxld	sure
2019-05-20 15:54:01	dxld	so I'm almost ready to submit patches for 1.1, tests pass everything looks good
2019-05-20 15:54:29	alanz	1.1 of what?
2019-05-20 15:54:34	alanz	c-h?
2019-05-20 15:54:35	dxld	my proposal :)
2019-05-20 15:54:38	wz1000	targetContents?
2019-05-20 15:54:41	dxld	I thought you just read it again
2019-05-20 15:54:46	alanz	oops
2019-05-20 15:54:46	dxld	yes sorry
2019-05-20 15:54:59	dxld	turned out to be easier than expected
2019-05-20 15:55:14	alanz	great
2019-05-20 15:55:25	mpickering	yes I just had to get it up again, targetContents
2019-05-20 15:55:47	dxld	GHC internally just uses #line/{-#LINE#-} pragmas to override the error reporting filename
2019-05-20 15:55:51	mpickering	ok great, put a patch up on gitlab then and I'll take a look when it's ready
2019-05-20 15:56:02	wz1000	Did you check with TH?
2019-05-20 15:56:06	dxld	mhm
2019-05-20 15:56:14	dxld	yeah, TH, doesn't make a lick of difference
2019-05-20 15:56:18	wz1000	nice
2019-05-20 15:56:30	dxld	given how the code is written I don't see why it would anyways
2019-05-20 15:56:47	dxld	so I didn't end up including that in my test harness
2019-05-20 15:57:02	dxld	just to reduce the number of permutations it has to go through
2019-05-20 15:57:15	mpickering	Can this test be included in GHC's test suite easily? is it a GHC API program?
2019-05-20 15:57:24	dxld	of course
2019-05-20 15:57:33	dxld	it's already in the comit
2019-05-20 15:57:42	mpickering	ok great. 
2019-05-20 15:57:50	wz1000	With mapped files, I had to add the original parent dir of the file to the list of paths it searches for #includes
2019-05-20 15:57:56	dxld	I just wrote a single monolithing GHC API program
2019-05-20 15:58:05	wz1000	I guess that is not required now?
2019-05-20 15:58:13	alanz	wz1000, that will sort out the issues teto was having
2019-05-20 15:58:16	dxld	and I generate module source files and load them in various ways
2019-05-20 15:58:43	dxld	hmm
2019-05-20 15:58:47	alanz	dxld, does that include things like hspec-discover?
2019-05-20 15:58:52	dxld	I think ghc should handle that internally already
2019-05-20 15:59:01	dxld	but that's a good point I'll add a test for that
2019-05-20 15:59:28	dxld	alanz: what do you mean?
2019-05-20 15:59:47	alanz	"generated module source files"
2019-05-20 16:00:03	alanz	hspec-discover is used to generate source programmatically
2019-05-20 16:00:19	dxld	well the pipeline has a stage for generic preprocessors such as that
2019-05-20 16:00:27	alanz	See https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/test/unit/Spec.hs
2019-05-20 16:00:28	dxld	and that shouldn't be a problem
2019-05-20 16:00:31	alanz	ok
2019-05-20 16:00:33	dxld	it's no different from CPP really
2019-05-20 16:00:53	dxld	but I don't have an explicit test for that. would be easily added though
2019-05-20 16:00:58	alanz	and custom CPP processors, or other random programmes like that should be the same then
2019-05-20 16:01:16	dxld	ghc treats them as distinct phases in the pipeline as far as I can tell
2019-05-20 16:01:22	alanz	yes
2019-05-20 16:01:43	dxld	but targetContents now just writes the buffer to a tempfile and passes that into the pipeline instead of the real source
2019-05-20 16:01:50	alanz	but it has a bearing on where the source comes from for each stage. But if you handle it, that is fine
2019-05-20 16:01:57	dxld	so nothing should change as far as what preprocessors run is concerned
2019-05-20 16:02:03	alanz	ok, right at the front
2019-05-20 16:02:07	dxld	yeah
2019-05-20 16:02:22	dxld	seems to be the only sane way to do it
2019-05-20 16:02:45	mpickering	ok, what's the latest on https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/935 ?
2019-05-20 16:03:14	dxld	Nothing new, I tried it out, it's pretty broken
2019-05-20 16:03:31	dxld	so IMO it's too risky to go in that direction since it's not demonstrated that this can actually work
2019-05-20 16:03:54	mpickering	broken in what sense exactly?
2019-05-20 16:04:15	dxld	half the testsuite throws up
2019-05-20 16:05:08	dxld	ok, not half, about 300 or so tests fail
2019-05-20 16:05:16	mpickering	ok, so that's dead for now but I think you pushed your branch somewhere?
2019-05-20 16:05:36	dxld	yeah, link's in the comment at the bottom
2019-05-20 16:06:13	alanz	I agree that we should not chase this, there is already enough in the plan
2019-05-20 16:06:25	mpickering	ok I might try that out then myself but seems best to leave it for now. 
2019-05-20 16:06:42	alanz	Especially as the bit I want (hie integration) comes at the end. Don't want to miss that part :)
2019-05-20 16:06:49	dxld	I think multi-session is kind of a pre-condition to that anyways
2019-05-20 16:07:09	mpickering	What's your plan for this week?
2019-05-20 16:07:21	dxld	once that's tested out we can at least be confident that multi-comp can work
2019-05-20 16:07:41	alanz	"that" being your current patch for 1.1?
2019-05-20 16:07:55	dxld	I was going to carry on with 1.2, fixing depanal with partial module graphs
2019-05-20 16:08:11	dxld	alanz: no
2019-05-20 16:08:26	alanz	ok, the other MR. np
2019-05-20 16:08:40	dxld	um, what I'm saying is multi-session and multi-comp share a lot of problems
2019-05-20 16:08:46	dxld	like the global linker state
2019-05-20 16:09:03	dxld	and figuring out how if fexternal-interp can work for us
2019-05-20 16:09:43	alanz	ok. I am keen on fexternal-interp too, as an eventual basis for a REPL in hie
2019-05-20 16:09:48	dxld	since that exploration and testing is my main intent anyways we don't really have to choose between either at this point
2019-05-20 16:09:54	alanz	ok
2019-05-20 16:10:36	dxld	if it turns out fexternal-interp fixes all our problems immediately I can just have another look at multi-comp in a single session with the remaining alotted time
2019-05-20 16:10:51	alanz	sounds good.
2019-05-20 16:11:07	mpickering	So will you get your patch for 1.1 up on gitlab this week you think?
2019-05-20 16:11:27	dxld	but really I'd like to get a MVP on the GHC side ASAP so I can actually test if everything integrates with HIE nicely
2019-05-20 16:11:41	dxld	mpickering: yeah definetly
2019-05-20 16:12:14	dxld	s/MVP on the/MVP of all my work on the GHC side/
2019-05-20 16:12:23	mpickering	external-interpreter is a reasonable idea for quite a few reasons. There are still problems with it though if you look at the ghc tickets about it. 
2019-05-20 16:12:29	mpickering	I made a ticket to track the idea anyway
2019-05-20 16:12:42	dxld	which idea now?
2019-05-20 16:12:52	mpickering	using -fexternal-interpreter 
2019-05-20 16:13:09	dxld	by default in GHC you mean?
2019-05-20 16:13:11	mpickering	to evaluate template haskell splices
2019-05-20 16:13:13	mpickering	no in haskell-ide-engine
2019-05-20 16:13:19	dxld	ah
2019-05-20 16:13:32	mpickering	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1257
2019-05-20 16:13:33	dxld	I think I missed that
2019-05-20 16:13:51	mpickering	Not for the reasons you want to use it though :P
2019-05-20 16:13:54	dxld	do you have some issue references for problems with fext-int?
2019-05-20 16:14:26	mpickering	I'll link you afterwards. I was looking at some of them this weekend. I also tried loading ghc into ghci + fext-int
2019-05-20 16:14:32	mpickering	which failed but anyway
2019-05-20 16:14:59	mpickering	Can we move onto wz1000 now? Do you have any other problems dxld?
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2019-05-20 16:15:28	dxld	not that I can think of
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2019-05-20 16:17:24	wz1000	yeah, so I got less done this week than expected. I fleshed out the types for LSIF and wrote a few ToJSON instances.
2019-05-20 16:18:03	wz1000	And today I tried to use those types in hie-lsif
2019-05-20 16:18:29	wz1000	Which I finally got compiling with haskell-lsp-types yesterday
2019-05-20 16:18:47	alanz	using Cabal-2.4.1.0?
2019-05-20 16:18:51	wz1000	yes
2019-05-20 16:18:55	wz1000	patched for MFP
2019-05-20 16:19:00	alanz	nice
2019-05-20 16:19:43	wz1000	And for the typeclass evidence in .hie files, I rebased my old work and stared at it for a bit
2019-05-20 16:20:11	wz1000	And now I'm reasonably sure about how I want to serialize it
2019-05-20 16:20:17	mpickering	I don't really understand what is going on there. Perhaps it's because `Cabal-2.5.0.0` is bundled with 8.8 that I didn't have to install it
2019-05-20 16:20:30	mpickering	Is the plan for type class evidence written down anywhere?
2019-05-20 16:20:37	mpickering	There should at least be a GHC ticket for it
2019-05-20 16:20:42	wz1000	No, not really
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2019-05-20 16:21:01	alanz	I found stray Cabal versions floating around until I flushed out stuff under ~/.ghc
2019-05-20 16:21:05	mpickering	Also, the LSIF which gets generated from hie-lsif at the moment doesn't conform to the specification
2019-05-20 16:21:14	mpickering	because they changed the specification
2019-05-20 16:21:30	mpickering	you should make sure that what we generate passes their validator when you get to that point
2019-05-20 16:21:35	wz1000	hmm. lsif-util is supposed to validate it?
2019-05-20 16:21:53	mpickering	yes https://github.com/jumattos/lsif-util
2019-05-20 16:22:08	mpickering	I tried it and https://github.com/jumattos/lsif-util/issues/12
2019-05-20 16:22:16	wz1000	So I can describe my plan here about typeclass evidence, and then write about later, in a note or something
2019-05-20 16:22:47	mpickering	You should make a GHC ticket with the plan in, unless you want our feedback now as well
2019-05-20 16:23:52	alanz	or GHC wiki page
2019-05-20 16:24:07	wz1000	Ok. I can describe it now so that it is clearer when I'm writing it up
2019-05-20 16:25:07	mpickering	sure go for it
2019-05-20 16:25:44	wz1000	Ok, so what I have right now is a traversal of the AST that recreates the evidence/instance scope.
2019-05-20 16:27:54	wz1000	evidence can be 1) toplevel(defined by instance ...) 2) Bound by signatures(nub :: Eq a => ...; nub = ...) 3) Bound by patterns(case ev of Refl -> ...)
2019-05-20 16:28:33	wz1000	All of these cases come with source locations attached
2019-05-20 16:29:56	wz1000	So the plan to serialize this into .hie files is to store _used_ toplevel instances(Types along with definition locations, not EvVars) in the topmost "Module" Node
2019-05-20 16:30:44	wz1000	and whenever an instance is bound by a pattern/signature, in the corresponding node store the evidence Type.
2019-05-20 16:31:41	wz1000	And when evidence is used, we store the type of the evidence constructed, as well as pointers to all the bound/toplevel evidences it depends on
2019-05-20 16:32:54	mpickering	What  about if the instance is defined in another module?
2019-05-20 16:33:12	wz1000	that is what I call a "toplevel" instance
2019-05-20 16:33:38	wz1000	Instances aren't stored next to their "instance ..." definition
2019-05-20 16:33:47	wz1000	Just at the top level of the .hie file
2019-05-20 16:34:27	mpickering	Is this top-level thing an optimisation like the type index?
2019-05-20 16:34:44	wz1000	no
2019-05-20 16:35:01	wz1000	It is just what I call evidence that is not "local"
2019-05-20 16:35:29	wz1000	but instance types are just regular Types, so we can use the type index to store it
2019-05-20 16:36:15	wz1000	So for "f :: Show a => a -> String; f x = show [Just x]", we have toplevel evidence for (Show a => Show [a]), (Show a => Show (Maybe a))
2019-05-20 16:36:38	wz1000	And evidence for (Show a) bound by f
2019-05-20 16:37:40	wz1000	so the first two will have a location field that points to where in base these instances are defined. And the location field for "Show a" points to the signature of f
2019-05-20 16:37:50	mpickering	do you just deal with type class implicits?  not implicit parameters as well?
2019-05-20 16:38:33	wz1000	I haven't thought about that. Seems like a good idea
2019-05-20 16:38:52	wz1000	If implicits are treated just like constraints, I suspect my code already handles them
2019-05-20 16:38:57	mpickering	perhaps so
2019-05-20 16:39:04	mpickering	just a thought
2019-05-20 16:39:08	wz1000	but implicit binding perhaps not
2019-05-20 16:40:31	mpickering	ok this sounds plausible. Make a ticket with it!
2019-05-20 16:40:46	wz1000	so in the node corresponding to "show" in the RHS of "f", we will have a field that contains the types (Show [Maybe a]), and pointers to the evidence for (Show a => Show [a], Show a, etc.)
2019-05-20 16:43:14	alanz	is there any plan to be able to generate .hie files from older GHC versions? or do we just use the one that has it to build files usable by the earlier versions too?
2019-05-20 16:44:05	mpickering	I suppose you could use ghc-lib to read hie files without any issues
2019-05-20 16:44:18	dxld	how would that work?
2019-05-20 16:44:28	wz1000	it is a manual traversal of the entire AST, so maintaining it to support multiple versions would be a chore
2019-05-20 16:44:48	mpickering	Zubin, so you will modify `NodeInfo` to have `nodeEvidence` as well?
2019-05-20 16:44:55	wz1000	Yes
2019-05-20 16:45:27	alanz	yes, and GHC 8.10 should be able to generate .hie/lsif files that can be used in say GHC 8.2.2 projects
2019-05-20 16:45:59	dxld	alanz: just by assuming the 8.2 project builds with 8.10 too or how does that work?
2019-05-20 16:46:10	wz1000	but to read them you will need to use the same version of GHC
2019-05-20 16:46:20	mpickering	dxld: If you generate the file using 8.8 then you could use ghc-lib (for 8.8) to read the file for any GHC version
2019-05-20 16:46:23	mpickering	I think?
2019-05-20 16:46:25	alanz	the.hie files yes, but lsif is independent?
2019-05-20 16:46:32	wz1000	yes
2019-05-20 16:46:33	dxld	mhh
2019-05-20 16:46:39	alanz	anyway, its not in current scope
2019-05-20 16:46:44	dxld	I was under the impression those files can be read without GHC
2019-05-20 16:47:09	dxld	is there any reason not to have a small library that parses it?
2019-05-20 16:47:28	alanz	sounds like a good utility to publish
2019-05-20 16:47:38	mpickering	dxld: No they can be I think. The binary instances would have to be factored out into a small library
2019-05-20 16:47:47	wz1000	yeah
2019-05-20 16:48:06	dxld	can we replicate those without ripping out half of ghc's types though? :)
2019-05-20 16:48:09	alanz	a library for working with lsif files, similar to what haskell-lsp is trying to do
2019-05-20 16:48:23	mpickering	Although I made a mistake here by adding `AvailInfo` to the `HieFile`
2019-05-20 16:48:24	alanz	so any language server etc wanting to process them can share the implementation
2019-05-20 16:48:32	mpickering	There is also `Module` in there as well
2019-05-20 16:48:50	mpickering	So those would need to be changed to not be GHC specific types
2019-05-20 16:49:06	mpickering	that's my fault though
2019-05-20 16:49:32	dxld	alanz: I talking about hie files actually
2019-05-20 16:49:52	mpickering	so separating out the hie file stuff into a library which doesn't depend on GHC would also make it harder to make these mistakes
2019-05-20 16:50:18	alanz	dxld, ok. That also makes sense. 
2019-05-20 16:50:35	dxld	mpickering: would you have GHC depend on this lib also?
2019-05-20 16:51:00	mpickering	yes, I think so?
2019-05-20 16:51:11	mpickering	It needs to write these files somehow 
2019-05-20 16:51:17	dxld	because that "incurs a cost" to quote bgamari :)
2019-05-20 16:51:46	alanz	well, there is a benefit too, to the wider community
2019-05-20 16:51:52	alanz	and these need to be balanced/debated
2019-05-20 16:52:08	dxld	it's more about the restrictions of boot libraries I think
2019-05-20 16:52:24	mpickering	dxld: The library will still be defined in-tree
2019-05-20 16:52:26	dxld	or the maintanance overhead of coordinating releases for GHC with them
2019-05-20 16:52:46	dxld	I guess that would probably be much less of a problem actually, yeah
2019-05-20 16:53:18	mpickering	So it's a refactoring rather than adding a new dependency 
2019-05-20 16:53:41	dxld	yeah, that makes sense
2019-05-20 16:53:53	dxld	I was never 100% sure about why adding deps to ghc is such a problem
2019-05-20 16:54:18	mpickering	because you need to update them when the compiler changes
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2019-05-20 16:54:27	mpickering	because they are compiled using stage1
2019-05-20 16:54:28	dxld	but now that I think about it it's likely mostly the coordination overhead that's discouraging that
2019-05-20 16:54:32	wz1000	well, its pretty obvious we don't want ghc to depend on eg: lens
2019-05-20 16:54:42	dxld	:)
2019-05-20 16:54:54	alanz	it also means its hard/impossible to make changes outside the GHC release cycle
2019-05-20 16:55:06	mpickering	and then you have to do a lot of coordination to make sure you release the compiler with a released version of the dependency. 
2019-05-20 16:55:18	alanz	which is why haddock tried to decouple itself
2019-05-20 16:55:28	alanz	leading to the current weird situation
2019-05-20 16:55:45	dxld	mhm
2019-05-20 16:57:34	mpickering	wz1000: I think we have to deal with this problem with `Module` and `AvailInfo` before the 8.8 release
2019-05-20 16:58:02	dxld	does the hie format have version headers for a smooth upgrade path?
2019-05-20 16:58:34	dxld	and I mean something that's not dependent on Binary instances :)
2019-05-20 16:59:05	mpickering	The first byte is a version number
2019-05-20 16:59:13	dxld	ah, good
2019-05-20 17:00:10	wz1000	mpickering: no, I think the symbol table goes in first. We should fix that too
2019-05-20 17:00:21	wz1000	And it uses FastStrings everywhere too
2019-05-20 17:00:40	mpickering	I'm not sure there's a sensible way to make a library which supports reading any HieFile from any ghc version
2019-05-20 17:00:53	alanz	I agree
2019-05-20 17:00:56	dxld	shouldn't be a problem as long as an equivalent binary instance can be written
2019-05-20 17:01:02	alanz	exactly
2019-05-20 17:01:24	dxld	mpickering: why is it tied to a ghc session atm?
2019-05-20 17:01:24	alanz	so long as we have some intermediate format, we should be good. pandoc style.
2019-05-20 17:02:21	dxld	alanz: what do you mean by pandoc style?
2019-05-20 17:03:42	alanz	I mean an intermediate format, which everything converts to, and from
2019-05-20 17:04:06	alanz	so each GHC converts their specific hie format to the binary one, and we can generate lsif etc from it
2019-05-20 17:04:18	mpickering	dxld: Say if you use 8.8 to generate the HIE file then you need to use the ghc-hie-8.8 library to decode it
2019-05-20 17:04:35	mpickering	you can't use the ghc-hie-8.6 library 
2019-05-20 17:04:55	mpickering	but if you're given a random hie file to decode then how do you know which version of ghc was used to generate it?
2019-05-20 17:04:56	dxld	but I can decode 8.6 with 8.8?
2019-05-20 17:05:25	mpickering	you can decode 8.6 if you use ghc-hie-8.6 which you can compile with 8.8 in theory 
2019-05-20 17:05:48	dxld	sounds weird to me
2019-05-20 17:05:55	mpickering	because what do you do if the `HieFile` AST changes?
2019-05-20 17:05:56	dxld	why not have the library be backwards compatible
2019-05-20 17:06:39	dxld	so like the added typeclass evidence we were talking about?
2019-05-20 17:06:47	mpickering	yes
2019-05-20 17:07:02	mpickering	I suppose you would just fill it in as empty when reading an older version of the file
2019-05-20 17:07:08	dxld	that would only really add things so you could still represent the stuff from before that
2019-05-20 17:07:12	dxld	mhm
2019-05-20 17:07:18	dxld	that's my point
2019-05-20 17:07:39	dxld	do we really expect the AST to change so drastically we couldn't do that?
2019-05-20 17:07:50	dxld	s/AST/HIE AST/
2019-05-20 17:08:22	mpickering	probably not
2019-05-20 17:08:33	dxld	I mean if you have to break b/w compat fine, but you could still have the parsers and ast types for the old stuff in the library
2019-05-20 17:08:52	dxld	so tooling can parse anything it comes across
2019-05-20 17:08:59	mpickering	ok
2019-05-20 17:09:13	mpickering	What do you think Zubin?
2019-05-20 17:10:25	dxld	I still don't see why any of this would have to require talking to a ghc session though?
2019-05-20 17:11:14	mpickering	It's not. 
2019-05-20 17:11:17	dxld	(parsing at least)
2019-05-20 17:13:49	dxld	wz1000: ^
2019-05-20 17:14:26	mpickering	dxld: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/issues?label_name=remote+GHCi
2019-05-20 17:14:31	mpickering	These are the ext-int tickets
2019-05-20 17:14:52	mpickering	the most serious problems are the ones where it fails to find certain symbols if you use external libraries
2019-05-20 17:15:49	wz1000	dxld: yeah, but it needs to be compatible with ghc, since reading a .hie file can affect the GHC namecache
2019-05-20 17:16:45	mpickering	oh hmm hie files contain Names as well don't they
2019-05-20 17:16:52	dxld	could just do that as a step after parsing it though
2019-05-20 17:17:21	mpickering	this looks quite time consuming to sort out and furthermore not necessary if you control the means of producing the hie file
2019-05-20 17:17:39	mpickering	so it looks to me what we should punt on it for now and focus on the other stuff
2019-05-20 17:17:54	wz1000	mpickering: they don't contain raw Names. I defined a HieName which can be converted to and from a Name
2019-05-20 17:17:59	alanz	agree
2019-05-20 17:18:13	dxld	at least sort out the version header :)
2019-05-20 17:18:19	wz1000	yeah
2019-05-20 17:18:35	dxld	everything else we can do later
2019-05-20 17:20:18	dxld	oh also, I would recommend just sticking some 4-byte magic number in the header too
2019-05-20 17:20:32	dxld	can't never have enough of those for weird binary files
2019-05-20 17:20:49	dxld	(as the first four bytes)
2019-05-20 17:21:40	mpickering	So what's your plan for this week Zubin?
2019-05-20 17:22:25	wz1000	finish up the lsif stuff, make a ticket about the evidence thing, fix the header for .hie files
2019-05-20 17:23:00	dxld	do we know what the release plan for 8.8 is?
2019-05-20 17:23:17	mpickering	dxld: Not really..
2019-05-20 17:23:32	dxld	so no deadline announced yet?
2019-05-20 17:23:38	mpickering	wz1000: Perfect, sounds good
2019-05-20 17:23:43	mpickering	dxld: the branch was made ages ago
2019-05-20 17:24:27	dxld	should probably notify bgamari about the format change so we don't get that released accidentally?
2019-05-20 17:24:48	alanz	having a human readable first line for the binary file helps too
2019-05-20 17:25:08	dxld	that works too as an alternative to the 4 byte magic thing
2019-05-20 17:25:15	mpickering	dxld: The way to do this is to make a ticket and milestone it appropiately 
2019-05-20 17:25:25	dxld	tough the canonical thing to do is just stick ASCII "HIE\n" there :)
2019-05-20 17:25:47	alanz	or "HIE-1.2\n"
2019-05-20 17:25:53	dxld	sure
2019-05-20 17:26:08	dxld	PDF style
2019-05-20 17:26:09	dxld	:)
2019-05-20 17:26:33	alanz	makes life much easier
2019-05-20 17:27:52	dxld	mpickering: right
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2019-05-20 20:13:52	cocreature	alanz: fyi, we believe to have a fix for the segfault in https://github.com/digital-asset/ghc-lib/pull/66. we’ll probably wait with a new ghc-lib release until Wednesday when Shayne is back.
2019-05-20 20:21:50	alanz	cocreature, great news. Will take a look when I get a chance
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2019-05-20 20:30:47	alanz	cocreature, hie is a fuzzer for that lib :)
2019-05-20 20:31:43	cocreature	alanz: yep, I’m quite happy you managed to trigger that bug so early and by causing a segfault instead of just broken behavior :)
2019-05-20 20:32:03	alanz	yes
2019-05-20 20:32:24	mpickering	cocreature: Is this applicable for loading GHC into GHCi as well? 
2019-05-20 20:32:58	cocreature	mpickering: might be, not really sure tbh :/
2019-05-20 20:33:12	mpickering	What does getOrSetLibHSghc do?
2019-05-20 20:33:22	mpickering	and why is setting `-DSTAGE=2` useful to do?
2019-05-20 20:33:54	cocreature	Without -DSTAGE=2 all the defines like SIZEOF_HSCHAR aren’t set
2019-05-20 20:34:20	cocreature	getOrSetLibHSghc modifies a bunch of global variables in the RTS
2019-05-20 20:34:35	cocreature	Globals.c has the code
2019-05-20 20:35:01	cocreature	I guess if your ghci is 8.6 and you are loading HEAD into it, you might run into similar issues
2019-05-20 20:36:36	alanz	cocreature, I contemplated using your PR for a submodule, but building ghc-lib as a dep for a stack project looks a bit iffy
2019-05-20 20:36:42	alanz	at first glance
2019-05-20 20:37:06	cocreature	alanz: waiting 2 days seems like a saner solution :)
2019-05-20 20:37:36	alanz	agree. Was hoping to short-circuit a bit
2019-05-20 20:38:08	alanz	But, the "releasing ghc-lib" part of the readme doesn't look too bad
2019-05-20 20:38:21	cocreature	it isn’t but I don’t have the permissions
2019-05-20 20:38:34	alanz	Maybe I can generate an sdist, unpack it, and use it as a file system dependency
2019-05-20 20:38:40	alanz	Just to confirm the solution
2019-05-20 20:38:48	alanz	Or you can do it, with my hie branch
2019-05-20 20:38:55	alanz	and that test.sh script
2019-05-20 20:38:57	cocreature	I did test the hie testsuite
2019-05-20 20:39:15	alanz	and it works? great, then I am happy to wait two days
2019-05-20 20:39:21	cocreature	but on master not a separate branch, what changes are in your branch?
2019-05-20 20:39:30	cocreature	Yep, the segfault disappeared whereas I was able to reproduce it before
2019-05-20 20:39:38	alanz	just bumping hlint and ghc-lib-parser
2019-05-20 20:39:51	cocreature	Ah I just did that locally in cabal.project
2019-05-20 20:40:14	alanz	See https://github.com/ndmitchell/hlint/issues/637#issuecomment-493909411
2019-05-20 20:46:45	cocreature	there is a slight change in the diagnostics message (which makes sense since it is now produced by GHC) but the test no longer segfaults
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2019-05-20 20:48:48	mpickering	Did you just find this by bisecting?
2019-05-20 20:49:12	cocreature	yep, bisecting pointed to https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/commit/5126764be614cc43b435e3f5ff34ea593c30269a so I looked through that module
2019-05-20 20:50:37	mpickering	ok I'm actually using GHC HEAD and not 8.6 so perhaps it's a different issue
2019-05-20 20:51:00	cocreature	also HEAD ghci?
2019-05-20 20:51:10	mpickering	yes HEAD ghci loading in exactly the same code
2019-05-20 20:51:35	cocreature	yeah might be a different issue
2019-05-20 20:51:56	mpickering	you said gdb was useless for you?
2019-05-20 20:52:56	mpickering	I think I might have more chance getting external-interpreter working
2019-05-20 20:53:30	cocreature	it did point to FastString.hs sometimes when I compiled with dwarf info but sometimes it also pointed to other places and sometimes (where sometimes corresponds to unrelated code changes) I got RTS panics instead of segfaults
2019-05-20 20:53:40	cocreature	So it wasn’t particularly helpful
2019-05-20 20:53:59	cocreature	But maybe I’m also just bad at using GDB :)
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2019-05-21 09:56:57	teto	If I want to get hover doc for my own functions, should I just comment them according to haddock ? I am not sure it can be generated on the fly ?
2019-05-21 09:57:09	teto	(at least my tests haven't been conclusive)
2019-05-21 10:06:04	teto	is thre some doc explaining the limits of the hover mechanism ? it seems to be intramodule, doesn't generate the haddock doc on the fly either
2019-05-21 10:22:17	wz1000	teto: you will need to build haddocks for your project
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2019-05-21 14:54:58	teto	anyone using coc.nvim with hie ? I switched from LanguageClient-neovim and while coc.nvim looks miles ahead, I can't manage to disable hlint
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2019-05-21 15:30:34	teto	nevermind found it and updated coc.nvim wiki
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2019-05-21 17:12:17	marinelli	hi everyone
2019-05-21 17:14:58	marinelli	I'm currently using VSCode+HIE
2019-05-21 17:16:06	marinelli	is there a way to configure how hlint is executed by HIE?
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2019-05-21 17:19:03	marinelli	does it load a `hlint.yaml` file?
2019-05-21 17:19:48	mpickering	marinelli: Did you try that?
2019-05-21 17:20:43	marinelli	where do I have to put that file? in the project dir?
2019-05-21 17:22:56	fendor	what is the context? 
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2019-05-21 18:50:07	marinelli	ok, I solved just putting an `.hlint.yaml` file in the main root of the project
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2019-05-22 18:36:32	fendor	I cant figure out how to reopen the pull request https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1237 or how to revert the revert of this pr.
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2019-05-22 18:48:00	alanz	fendor, I think you have to make a new one
2019-05-22 18:48:27	fendor	i tried to make a new pr, but it says that they are no differences, thus, I cant open the pr
2019-05-22 18:48:30	alanz	either using the same branch in your repo, or create a new one off the top of that one
2019-05-22 18:49:28	fendor	tried that as well, still shows no diff when trying to open a pr
2019-05-22 18:50:49	alanz	well, did you merge master into it?
2019-05-22 18:51:05	alanz	Worst case, make a tiny change to a comment, line spacing, or something
2019-05-22 18:51:17	fendor	tried that, only shows the tiny change 
2019-05-22 18:51:46	fendor	i did not merge master into it.
2019-05-22 18:52:00	fendor	because that seems to just remove the stuff in the pr
2019-05-22 18:52:29	alanz	ah, yes
2019-05-22 18:52:44	alanz	Ok, I will take a look, a bit later today
2019-05-22 18:53:56	fendor	no hurry, just wanted to say it
2019-05-22 19:26:06	mpickering	wz1000: https://github.com/arjun27/language-server-protocol/blob/e73332d8ed5e9ad42afbebe09df92de8d6ade481/indexFormat/implementation.md
2019-05-22 19:26:12	mpickering	Might be of interest 
2019-05-22 19:29:13	wz1000	mpickering: yeah, I saw that.
2019-05-22 19:29:29	wz1000	They are pretty muddled up about the format though
2019-05-22 19:30:09	wz1000	That says its line delimited json, the language server accepts normal json, and they are talking about sqlite too?
2019-05-22 19:30:30	mpickering	yes, and then the random comment about using sed to "convert" between the two
2019-05-22 19:31:03	fendor	side question, where are the dynflags initialised?
2019-05-22 19:31:13	wz1000	probably ghc-mod/hie-bios
2019-05-22 19:31:13	mpickering	probably in ghc-mod
2019-05-22 19:32:14	fendor	how can we initialise plugins if this is in ghc-mod? or did i misinterpret what was meant in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1264?
2019-05-22 19:32:25	mpickering	I'm not sure what the point of the "linker"  is either
2019-05-22 19:32:40	mpickering	I guess the correct way is to patch ghc-mod then
2019-05-22 19:33:07	wz1000	make a pr against whatever version(probably Alans) of ghc-mod we are using in hie
2019-05-22 19:33:50	wz1000	Or make a PR to hie to point the submodule towards your patched branch
2019-05-22 19:34:14	fendor	alright, so, this is a really complicated pr? :D
2019-05-22 19:34:48	mpickering	You can test your change easily though by just modifying the code in the submodule
2019-05-22 19:35:01	mpickering	then if it works and it's too complicated it's easier for someone else to finish off
2019-05-22 19:35:10	wz1000	from what I gather from mpickerings comment, it should just be a single line in the right place
2019-05-22 19:35:18	fendor	oh, ok
2019-05-22 19:35:26	fendor	then i will investigate!
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2019-05-22 19:48:37	fendor	where is a function like `initializePlugins` coming from? is that a ghc function? 
2019-05-22 19:48:53	mpickering	yes
2019-05-22 19:49:02	mpickering	it's called initializePlugins
2019-05-22 19:49:31	mpickering	`DynamicLoading.initializePlugins :: HscEnv -> DynFlags -> IO DynFlags`
2019-05-22 19:49:56	fendor	thanks! does the initSession function look promising for that change?
2019-05-22 20:00:33	mpickering	there will be a function which creates the `DynFlags` somehow
2019-05-22 20:00:40	mpickering	maybe there is a call to `initSessionDynFlags`
2019-05-22 20:02:56	fendor	how about: hsc_env <- newLightEnv (initDF crdl)?
2019-05-22 20:04:32	mpickering	`initDF` sounds promising?
2019-05-22 20:04:35	mpickering	put it in there perhaps
2019-05-22 20:05:01	fendor	definition: `initDF c@Cradle { cradleTempDir, cradleProject } df = setTmpDir cradleTempDir <$> (mdf =<< addCmdOpts (shouldLoadGhcEnvironment c) opts df)`
2019-05-22 20:05:56	mpickering	ok and what does addCmdOpts do?
2019-05-22 20:06:42	fendor	https://gist.github.com/fendor/f3a21bca7e94d18d693e29129656be75
2019-05-22 20:08:47	mpickering	Not there..
2019-05-22 20:09:07	mpickering	Can you grep for where setNoMaxRelevantBindings is used
2019-05-22 20:09:42	mpickering	`newLIghtEnv` looks like it is the right place
2019-05-22 20:09:42	fendor	in core/GhcMod/Gap.hs
2019-05-22 20:09:47	mpickering	*`newLightEnv`
2019-05-22 20:10:21	fendor	alright, will try
2019-05-22 20:13:43	fendor	btw, anyone else has the problem that `cabal new-install exe:hie` jsut dies in Cabal.InstalledPlan?
2019-05-22 20:51:29	fendor	I modified the newLightEnv function as follows https://gist.github.com/fendor/9ef947dd3c5ab33bb9d4550425e8c219, but it does not load correctly the plugins
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2019-05-22 21:11:30	mpickering	It's probably called too early then
2019-05-22 21:11:43	mpickering	you need to call it after the plugins are added to the dflags
2019-05-22 21:11:51	mpickering	so `newLightGhc` is too early
2019-05-22 21:12:03	mpickering	look for the bit which actually typechecks a module
2019-05-22 21:15:18	fendor	how about `loadTargets`? https://gist.github.com/fendor/13b52b47ad1a15d6526ccbfec3de9211
2019-05-22 21:15:25	fendor	line 51 has typecheckModule
2019-05-22 21:16:49	mpickering	on line 41 perhaps
2019-05-22 21:17:13	fendor	will try, but i am afk for about an hour
2019-05-22 23:04:52	fendor	updated, https://gist.github.com/fendor/13b52b47ad1a15d6526ccbfec3de9211/revisions. The error is shown in the logs but after Loading Done, no diagnostics are available
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2019-05-23 03:17:42	infinisil	fendor: I think you asked for master HIE versions before? I just updated all-hies with expressions for master, so you can build an unstable version now
2019-05-23 03:18:13	infinisil	See https://github.com/infinisil/all-hies#unstable-versions specifically
2019-05-23 04:02:42	fenedor	infinisil, that is great to hear, thank you! 
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2019-05-23 14:48:24	wz1000	mpickering: the HIE file version is currently stored as a Word8. Would a Word16 be better?
2019-05-23 14:49:03	dxld	wz1000: you can always make version 255 special and have it mean another version byte follows :)
2019-05-23 14:49:09	wz1000	yeah
2019-05-23 14:49:16	dxld	and you don't have to do that now
2019-05-23 14:49:43	dxld	old versions only have to be able to tell that they can't read this new file
2019-05-23 14:49:57	mpickering	There haven't been 255 total versions of GHC in the last 20 years
2019-05-23 14:50:06	dxld	good point :)
2019-05-23 14:50:36	dxld	might be nice to just encode the GHC version into the header though
2019-05-23 14:50:53	dxld	since apparently the format is higly dependent on all sorts of unstable binary instances anyways
2019-05-23 14:52:47	dxld	otherwise someone will have to go trough all the types and figure out if they broke the binary abi or not, no?
2019-05-23 14:52:58	dxld	(on each release)
2019-05-23 14:54:12	wz1000	dxld: the ghc version is already in the file, does it need to be in the header as well?
2019-05-23 14:54:29	wz1000	Then we have have a variable length header
2019-05-23 14:54:33	dxld	depends on what is in between the header and the ghc version
2019-05-23 14:55:00	wz1000	a couple of pointers
2019-05-23 14:55:15	dxld	my point is, right now when would the HIE format version get bumped?
2019-05-23 14:55:41	dxld	if the answer is someone has to figure out if somethign relevant changed or not on each release that's probably bad
2019-05-23 14:56:03	wz1000	everytime the binary instances change, no?
2019-05-23 14:56:08	dxld	yeah
2019-05-23 14:56:31	wz1000	I don't think there is a way of doing this automaically
2019-05-23 14:56:39	dxld	so do you have a comment on _each and every_ type with a binary instance you're using that says "WATCH OUT if you change this bump this version over herer"?
2019-05-23 14:56:51	dxld	excatly my point
2019-05-23 14:57:01	wz1000	.hi files and haddock interface files also rely on manual bumping
2019-05-23 14:57:03	dxld	so just use the GHC version as the HIE format version
2019-05-23 14:57:09	dxld	and assume each release breaks it
2019-05-23 14:57:16	wz1000	even point releases?
2019-05-23 14:57:22	dxld	then you can have a white list for compatible versions instead
2019-05-23 14:57:26	wz1000	do we really want that?
2019-05-23 14:57:47	wz1000	the ghc version for HEAD changes everyday
2019-05-23 14:58:10	dxld	the alternative would be to hash the types you're using with TH somehow :)
2019-05-23 14:58:14	wz1000	which means everytime you recompile ghc, your .hie files are useless
2019-05-23 14:58:42	wz1000	manual bumping works for .hi and haddock files
2019-05-23 14:59:15	dxld	but people use those quite frequently ;P
2019-05-23 14:59:35	dxld	so it's probably noticed if something breaks there
2019-05-23 15:05:29	wz1000	I worried that being restrictive about what ghc versions you can use a .hie file with will hamper usability
2019-05-23 15:05:40	wz1000	we want to be as lax as possible
2019-05-23 15:06:05	wz1000	worst case, serialization fails and a error is thrown
2019-05-23 15:06:12	dxld	yeah but random parse errors you can't fix going forward are not really good for usability either
2019-05-23 15:06:21	wz1000	what do you mean
2019-05-23 15:06:53	dxld	the scenario I'm imagining is a GHC release manages to break the HIE format without incrementing the version number
2019-05-23 15:07:01	wz1000	Being restrictive only means that more errors will be thrown, as in some cases we have .hie files that we can read, but we refuse to do so
2019-05-23 15:07:07	dxld	*the HIE format version number
2019-05-23 15:07:15	dxld	no!
2019-05-23 15:07:38	dxld	it means you can read it using the old types
2019-05-23 15:07:50	dxld	without the version number you're stuck with the error forever
2019-05-23 15:08:42	dxld	(I'm still in model where there is a library that can parse all the old HIE format versions)
2019-05-23 15:09:47	dxld	s/old types/new types/
2019-05-23 15:11:11	dxld	ugh I'm not explaining this very well
2019-05-23 15:13:34	wz1000	writing this library to maintain backwards/forwards compatibility will be a lot more work
2019-05-23 15:13:40	dxld	my point is with the ghc version in the header we can fix the HIE file parser lib post release to use the new types, without it, i.e. just with the HIE format version number, you loose the ability to differentiate between the format before the breakage and the current format
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2019-05-23 15:14:08	dxld	I'm sure it is, I just want to make sure we can choose to do so in the future :)
2019-05-23 15:14:49	dxld	and besides, it just involves keeping copies of all of ghc's types from vaious releases
2019-05-23 15:14:51	wz1000	Ok, a compromise: put the ghc version in the header
2019-05-23 15:15:24	wz1000	And make readHieFile take a Bool param that indicates whether to pay attention to the GHC version
2019-05-23 15:15:28	dxld	I just checked on master, and it looks ok already
2019-05-23 15:15:41	dxld	the version number is immediately followed by a serialized ByteString for the ghc version..
2019-05-23 15:16:02	wz1000	yes, but before that we have a couple of pointers
2019-05-23 15:16:12	dxld	where?
2019-05-23 15:16:15	wz1000	that specify the location of the symbol tables
2019-05-23 15:16:48	dxld	oh before you even put the HieFile, I see
2019-05-23 15:17:08	dxld	yeah ok, just put the GHC ver in the header too and I'm happy
2019-05-23 15:17:18	wz1000	dxld: heres what the first few bytes of a .hie file look like:https://gist.github.com/wz1000/80f5d146fe7a34c68fd4650e9f97429c
2019-05-23 15:17:22	dxld	that Bool parameter isn't even needed
2019-05-23 15:17:47	wz1000	the 0... is the version
2019-05-23 15:18:38	dxld	ok got it
2019-05-23 15:24:51	wz1000	dxld: so we add ghc ver to the header, but ignore it when reading the file?
2019-05-23 15:25:07	dxld	yeah
2019-05-23 15:25:49	dxld	that way we can always spin up this BW compat library later
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2019-05-23 16:30:46	wz1000	mpickering, dxld: How does this look? https://gist.github.com/wz1000/2824a284538643171698c0d29fd5a2b8
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2019-05-23 17:12:28	mpickering	looks ok, I'm not sure what's best here though
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2019-05-23 17:31:23	wz1000	mpickering: should I target the ghc-8.8 branch with the MR?
2019-05-23 17:31:39	mpickering	you should make two mrs
2019-05-23 17:31:42	mpickering	one for master and one for 8.8
2019-05-23 17:32:06	mpickering	are you also going to fix the `Module` and `AvailInfo` fields that I added?
2019-05-23 17:32:10	wz1000	ok, and i need to rebase/cherry-pick my commit onto the 8.8 branch also?
2019-05-23 17:32:26	wz1000	how do I fix those?
2019-05-23 17:36:24	mpickering	I was under the impression that we shouldn't use the `Binary` instances of any types defined in GHC?
2019-05-23 17:36:43	mpickering	So the idea would be to make a new type `HieModule` and `HieAvailInfo` which mirror the structure but don't depend on GHC
2019-05-23 17:36:47	wz1000	mpickering: they use a bunch of ghc types: Names, SrcSpan, IfaceTyCon, IfaceTyLit, FastString
2019-05-23 17:37:05	mpickering	I thought you said `Name` was different?
2019-05-23 17:37:14	mpickering	If you already use some binary instances then don't worry about it
2019-05-23 17:37:19	wz1000	We don't use the binary instance for Name
2019-05-23 17:37:24	wz1000	but we do for the rest
2019-05-23 17:37:31	mpickering	ok then dw about that
2019-05-23 17:37:55	wz1000	I should add a comment to the binary instances for those also to update hieVersion
2019-05-23 17:38:15	mpickering	are you going to make the version automatically from the compiler version?
2019-05-23 17:38:18	mpickering	like how interface files work?
2019-05-23 17:38:52	wz1000	I don't think thats a very good idea
2019-05-23 17:39:08	mpickering	you can read the version and decide how you want to handle it for all the minor versions
2019-05-23 17:39:17	wz1000	We would like to maintain usability across point releases
2019-05-23 17:39:39	mpickering	sure, the logic which reads the files can decide to ignore the version
2019-05-23 17:40:05	wz1000	mpickering: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/1017
2019-05-23 17:40:10	mpickering	but if you don't automatically update the version then no one will update it when the binary instance for something like `IfaceTyLit` changes
2019-05-23 17:41:11	mpickering	and you have all these comments which will just be ignored
2019-05-23 17:41:26	wz1000	ok
2019-05-23 17:43:50	wz1000	mpickering: how does the iface versioning work?
2019-05-23 17:44:49	mpickering	using ghc version
2019-05-23 17:49:35	mpickering	Have a look at the source
2019-05-23 17:50:02	wz1000	mpickering: so do we still need a manually bumped version? Or do I just replace it with the automatic versioning?
2019-05-23 17:50:16	wz1000	hiVersion = read (cProjectVersionInt ++ cProjectPatchLevel) :: Integer
2019-05-23 17:50:25	wz1000	that is ugly
2019-05-23 17:51:17	mpickering	I think just automatic
2019-05-23 17:51:23	mpickering	with patch level like interface files
2019-05-23 17:51:49	mpickering	I think anything else will not be easy to rely on
2019-05-23 17:53:36	wz1000	what if I remove the reliance on ghc types?
2019-05-23 17:54:10	mpickering	then I would still say to use the GHC versioning scheme
2019-05-23 17:55:24	mpickering	because it's more robust than having to remember to increase a number
2019-05-23 17:55:45	mpickering	and the deserialisation logic can decide what versions should be treated the same
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2019-05-23 18:47:04	fendor	mpickering, it seems I have randomly found the right location for loading the plugins
2019-05-23 18:47:14	mpickering	sounds lucky
2019-05-23 18:47:23	fendor	and stupid. How can I verify?
2019-05-23 18:47:35	mpickering	what was wrong with the places we talked about yesterday?
2019-05-23 18:47:41	mpickering	the second one looked decent to me
2019-05-23 18:48:27	fendor	no error was shown, but no diagnostics were displayed
2019-05-23 18:48:31	fendor	with this:
2019-05-23 18:48:32	fendor	https://gist.github.com/fendor/51728bb920c4517bb7a73e31e11eb72b
2019-05-23 18:48:41	fendor	line 23-27
2019-05-23 18:48:51	fendor	no error is shown and I see diagnostics
2019-05-23 18:49:34	fendor	maybe it hasnt worked though...
2019-05-23 18:50:15	fendor	no, it looks good
2019-05-23 18:52:10	mpickering	why do you call `withLightHscEnv`?
2019-05-23 18:52:27	fendor	ok, it honors the fplugin=Polysemy.Plugin in *.cabal but not if it is only in the file, like {-# OPTIONS_GHC -fplugin=Polysemy.Plugin #-}
2019-05-23 18:52:47	fendor	it looked to me like it is the only way to access the HscEnv
2019-05-23 18:56:00	mpickering	I'm lost
2019-05-23 19:02:37	fendor	unfortunately, I dont understand very much of what is going on :/
2019-05-23 19:08:56	mpickering	Can you explain what you have tried and what works and what doesn't
2019-05-23 19:12:35	fendor	i added the same line after line 41, as you suggested.
2019-05-23 19:12:46	fendor	this did not show the error, but no diagnostics were available.
2019-05-23 19:13:05	fendor	e.g. hover did not show anything and clear errors werent shown as well.
2019-05-23 19:14:11	fendor	Then I just moved these lines to the current location, not no error is shown in the example project and diagnostics are available
2019-05-23 19:14:32	fendor	however, -fplugin=Polysemy.Plugin must be in the cabal file, having it in the source file is not enough
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2019-05-23 20:02:24	wz1000	mpickering: how are simultaneous changes to haddock and ghc handled? especially with CI
2019-05-23 20:02:56	mpickering	not very well, push your commit to a branch somewhere and post on the issue pointing to it
2019-05-23 20:03:02	mpickering	and someone will hopefully help you
2019-05-23 20:12:07	fendor	mpickering, it seems like the plugins need to be loaded before `depanal` is called
2019-05-23 20:12:26	wz1000	Can the gitlab MR ui do cherry-picking? If I change the target of my MR to the 8.8 branch, it brings along every commit in HEAD
2019-05-23 20:12:38	mpickering	yes it can I think wz1000 
2019-05-23 20:12:43	mpickering	or do the cherry-pick yourself 
2019-05-23 20:12:56	mpickering	fendor: ok, maybe
2019-05-23 20:12:59	mpickering	I'm not sure
2019-05-23 20:20:53	fendor	i could just open the pull request?
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2019-05-23 20:34:10	fendor	pr https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/pull/18
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2019-05-23 20:43:04	alanz	mpickering, wz1000 I will take a look at fendor's PR a bit later, going to be busy next few hours
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2019-05-23 22:59:38	cocreature	alanz: if you feel like testing, https://github.com/ndmitchell/hlint/pull/640 should have a fixed ghc-lib-parser
2019-05-23 23:01:00	alanz	cocreature, great, just have to eat, then will take a look
2019-05-23 23:01:18	cocreature	take your time :)
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2019-05-24 00:03:53	alanz	cocreature, the new ghc-lib-parser works in hie with hlint-2.1.21. But I will wait for that PR to land and the next hlint, before bringing it in
2019-05-24 00:07:09	cocreature	alanz: great, thanks for testing!
2019-05-24 00:07:40	alanz	sure, its a good step forward, toward an all-ghc tooling backend
2019-05-24 00:07:46	alanz	which should speed things up, in time
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2019-05-24 01:00:59	alanz	fendor: "git revert COMMIT_HASH" is what I did
2019-05-24 01:01:11	fendor	dammit
2019-05-24 01:01:15	alanz	giving the hash of my original revert
2019-05-24 01:01:20	alanz	so it is twice reverted
2019-05-24 01:01:22	fendor	i tried to open a new pull request
2019-05-24 01:01:36	fendor	I learned something important :D
2019-05-24 01:01:41	alanz	exactly
2019-05-24 01:01:43	fendor	never had to revert a commit before :/
2019-05-24 01:02:12	fendor	thank you! I will remember that
2019-05-24 01:03:47	alanz	everything in the commit message is generated byt git, as part of the process, FYI
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2019-05-24 01:10:52	fendor	it looks good to me
2019-05-24 01:29:27	fendor	question, regarding the issue https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1264, what needs to be changed such that ghc-mod loads compiler plugins correctly if specified in the source file? The pr https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/pull/19 works if the plugin is specified in the cabal file, but not if it is only specified in the source file
2019-05-24 01:32:25	alanz	fendor, I am not sure
2019-05-24 01:32:49	alanz	I know there is a phase of the compiler that reads just the header of the file to load pragmas, for the DynFlags
2019-05-24 01:32:57	alanz	And theoretically that should do the job
2019-05-24 01:33:38	alanz	But I am not sure exactly when that happens in the DynFlags dance in ghc-mod. I would expect it to "just work", unless there is a mapped file path issue and it can't find the plugin
2019-05-24 01:33:54	fendor	it does definitely not work currently.
2019-05-24 01:33:59	alanz	But I have not really looked at plugins. 
2019-05-24 01:34:24	alanz	I remember when they came in thinking that they were going to cause a world of pain for us in the tooling zone
2019-05-24 01:35:18	fendor	sweet
2019-05-24 01:36:34	alanz	we also need to be careful, as dxld is working on a replacement for ghc-mod for his GSOC, so we need to be sure that any changes end up in the new one too, whatever it looks like
2019-05-24 01:37:40	fendor	i hoped to bring these changes in until tomorrow, so, maybe dxld hasnt started already?
2019-05-24 01:38:17	alanz	I think it is fine to do them, we just need to be sure he knows about them, and/or we have tests so we know that it still works in future
2019-05-24 01:39:50	fendor	i think i can add tests for the expected behaviour in hie, but i dont know how to write tests in ghc-mod
2019-05-24 01:42:14	alanz	we care about it in hie, ghc-mod will fall away in time
2019-05-24 01:43:05	fendor	great, so, should I try to use my ghc-mod fork to add tests to hie, or should I wait until merged to add tests to hie?
2019-05-24 01:44:44	alanz	Let me get the ball rolling for you from my side, will merge it and bump for hie
2019-05-24 01:47:52	fendor	but there is a feature missing, right? If only ghc-options are passed in the source file, it will not be honoured :/
2019-05-24 01:48:10	alanz	yes, but it is a step forward
2019-05-24 01:48:21	fendor	ok, thank you!
2019-05-24 02:01:02	alanz	fendor, see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1269
2019-05-24 02:01:15	alanz	it passes tests locally for stack.yaml
2019-05-24 02:02:25	fendor	that's great to hear! I am little bit nervous, since I dont exactly know what my changes entail :/
2019-05-24 02:04:11	alanz	well, you are changing the dynflags to enable loading plugins if they are specified. Which it does for ones in the cabal file. Otherwise it does nothing
2019-05-24 02:04:16	alanz	as I understand it
2019-05-24 02:04:25	alanz	we will have to see what complaints come up, if any
2019-05-24 02:05:44	fendor	right, but I dont really know why it seemingly has to happen before `depanal` is called
2019-05-24 02:06:14	fendor	i read that should be called after parsing ghc-opts, but I dont see where these are parsed or used. 
2019-05-24 02:07:37	alanz	Take a look at runGhcModT, called from the hie-plugin-api
2019-05-24 02:08:18	alanz	But ghc-mod manages sessions, so it needs to be set each time, it is not just a one-shot start and go on the same
2019-05-24 02:08:44	alanz	i.e. it may change per session, and the target loading takes care of that, if my memory serves me correctly
2019-05-24 02:10:22	fendor	right, does it in some way resemble the way ghci work? or ghc?
2019-05-24 02:10:39	wz1000	fendor: I'm pretty sure initializePlugins is called after depanal in GHC itself
2019-05-24 02:11:07	wz1000	with --vomit, you should be able to see exactly where it gets stuck loading the file
2019-05-24 02:11:42	fendor	wz1000, I posted the output in  https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/pull/19
2019-05-24 02:12:07	fendor	I think, I enabled the flag correctly? At least, there is "VOMIT" prefixes that seem to come from ghc-mod
2019-05-24 02:16:05	wz1000	yeah, that says the file should have loaded correctly. Do you get one of these debug messages in the HIE logs? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/6254c09fbc909dca2673ad7a27fe082dc75d6fc9/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Ghc.hs#L187
2019-05-24 02:16:50	fendor	the hie logs should be in the stderr? or where?
2019-05-24 02:17:07	fendor	or are they written into some tmp file?
2019-05-24 02:17:11	wz1000	yes
2019-05-24 02:17:31	fendor	in the stderr?
2019-05-24 02:17:34	wz1000	you can specify the location be launching hie with -d -l <filepath>
2019-05-24 02:17:52	fendor	and without a fp it should be stderr, right?
2019-05-24 02:17:58	wz1000	I don't know
2019-05-24 02:18:04	wz1000	probably not
2019-05-24 02:18:28	fendor	ill look it up
2019-05-24 02:19:58	fendor	the setupLogger function in hie either takes a filepath or uses the stderr
2019-05-24 02:20:03	fendor	in haskell-lsp
2019-05-24 02:20:15	wz1000	fendor: if HIE is not getting the typechecked module, the next step would be to add logging statements to ModuleLoader.hs in ghc-mod, to see where it is going wrong
2019-05-24 02:20:25	wz1000	I'm going to sleep now
2019-05-24 02:20:35	fendor	good night! should I try that?
2019-05-24 02:21:13	wz1000	good night. Yes, if the problem is in fact that setTypecheckedModule isn't getting a typechecked module back
2019-05-24 02:21:33	fendor	ok, will try and report back
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2019-05-24 20:42:32	mpickering	cocreature: Thanks for https://gist.github.com/cocreature/2e3ca5d921d08f8e0704b19b7dd186a6
2019-05-24 20:57:37	cocreature	mpickering: glad it’s useful I had pretty much forgotten about it :)
2019-05-24 20:59:48	mpickering	I need to do some runtime code generation so started looking at the options
2019-05-24 21:00:34	cocreature	that sounds interesting! what exactly are you planning to do?
2019-05-24 21:04:28	mpickering	well I'm porting some code from scala to Haskell which uses runtime code generation and I wanted it to be faithful as possible. The scala program is an implementation of a language where you can dynamically modify the language semantics at runtime but also compile definitions to fix their semantics
2019-05-24 21:06:41	alanz	mpickering, sounds interesting
2019-05-24 21:20:01	mpickering	It seems this runtime code generation is already present in the `plugins` package.
2019-05-24 21:36:58	cocreature	yep, that gist was mostly a result of me disecting what `plugins` is doing under the hood and why it didn’t work properly. iirc GHC had changed in various ways and I ran into some weird linking errors. not sure how up2date plugins is these days
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2019-05-25 17:02:27	wz1000	mpickering: see https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/1017 and https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/1026
2019-05-25 17:02:34	mpickering	yes I see
2019-05-25 17:02:55	mpickering	It seems the check is quite strict at the moment
2019-05-25 17:03:19	mpickering	is it possible to read an HIE file with a different version of GHC to the one it was made?
2019-05-25 17:03:24	mpickering	even if the binary instances haven't changed?
2019-05-25 17:03:41	wz1000	if the binary instances haven't changed, it should work
2019-05-25 17:04:02	mpickering	but the version will be different
2019-05-25 17:04:04	mpickering	so it will panic?
2019-05-25 17:04:06	wz1000	Yes
2019-05-25 17:04:15	mpickering	so it won't work?
2019-05-25 17:04:21	wz1000	That is what we were discussing day before, no?
2019-05-25 17:04:39	mpickering	yes but the consumer should have the chance to decide whether they think they can read the file after reading the header
2019-05-25 17:04:54	wz1000	so what do you propose?
2019-05-25 17:04:55	mpickering	which doesn't seem possible without implementing your own parsing logic currently?
2019-05-25 17:05:02	wz1000	yes
2019-05-25 17:05:32	mpickering	ok, so would it be too hard to have a `readHieHeader` function which the user can then dispatch on?
2019-05-25 17:05:58	mpickering	So there's some obvious code path which skips the version check if a user knows what they are doing
2019-05-25 17:05:58	wz1000	Or a bool parameter that enforces strict version checking?
2019-05-25 17:06:24	mpickering	You probably would want a `Version -> Bool` predicate 
2019-05-25 17:06:40	mpickering	sorry to nitpick
2019-05-25 17:06:40	wz1000	yeah, that makes sense
2019-05-25 17:07:02	mpickering	I had a brief loook and the rest of the patch is as I expect. Can be more thorough later
2019-05-25 17:07:46	mpickering	afk
2019-05-25 17:07:52	wz1000	So the readHieFile function will have the same signature, and I will add readHieFile' that takes (Version -> Bool)
2019-05-25 17:08:09	wz1000	and readHieFile = readHieFile' (== hieVersion)
2019-05-25 17:08:53	mpickering	yes but call it `readHieFileWithVersion` or something
2019-05-25 17:08:58	mpickering	which has some meaning
2019-05-25 17:09:00	wz1000	the ghc/hiVersion should be monotonic, no
2019-05-25 17:09:02	wz1000	Ok
2019-05-25 17:09:12	mpickering	and add a haddock comment explaining what the point is
2019-05-25 17:09:40	mpickering	but still the API is a bit obnoxious
2019-05-25 17:09:49	mpickering	because it will still panic if the file doesn't match the version
2019-05-25 17:10:33	mpickering	that's not very nice for libraries
2019-05-25 17:10:39	wz1000	readHieFileWithVersion can return Maybe
2019-05-25 17:10:49	wz1000	and readHieFile will still panic
2019-05-25 17:10:51	wz1000	is that OK?\
2019-05-25 17:11:15	wz1000	but readHieFileWithVersion will panic if the file is malformed
2019-05-25 17:11:33	mpickering	If you intend these functions to be used by libraries then it shouldn't panic I don't think
2019-05-25 17:11:41	mpickering	it's just annoying having to catch the exceptions
2019-05-25 17:11:53	mpickering	so if you can make the API something where there are no panics until as late as possible
2019-05-25 17:11:55	mpickering	that will be easier to use
2019-05-25 17:12:04	mpickering	I will leave it to you to decide how that looks. 
2019-05-25 17:12:26	mpickering	It's annoying I agree because the binary stuff will panic still if the file is malformed
2019-05-25 17:12:37	wz1000	I think Binary panics anyway
2019-05-25 17:13:06	mpickering	yeah but at least allow the user to not panic if the file version mismatches
2019-05-25 17:13:14	mpickering	even if you have to catch panics anyway if you use this function
2019-05-25 17:13:14	wz1000	OK
2019-05-25 17:13:19	mpickering	right, afk
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2019-05-25 18:17:06	alanz	wz1000, mpickering I think the serialised format of the hie version should be ascii too, and terminate with \n
2019-05-25 18:17:36	alanz	so the first "line" of the binary file can be interpreted easily without needing hex editors etc
2019-05-25 18:17:49	alanz	I think cabal config files do that too
2019-05-25 18:18:22	alanz	e.g. look at setup-config in a dist dir
2019-05-25 18:22:30	alanz	any cicrcleci experts here: Getting "Progress 89/117: floskell-0.10.0, ghc-lib-parser-0.20190523Too long with no output (exceeded 10m0s)"
2019-05-25 18:22:44	alanz	I presume we need to tweak a timeout in the config
2019-05-25 18:22:59	alanz	(at https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/3328)
2019-05-25 18:28:21	alanz	ok, https://circleci.com/docs/2.0/configuration-reference/#run
2019-05-25 18:28:29	alanz	no_output_timeout param
2019-05-25 18:41:17	dxld	alanz: another day another PR: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/1027
2019-05-25 18:41:22	dxld	mpickering: ^
2019-05-25 18:44:22	alanz	dxld, taking a look
2019-05-25 18:44:47	mpickering	dxld: What do you do if you get the partial module graph? 
2019-05-25 18:45:07	dxld	mpickering: downstream in HIE you mean?
2019-05-25 18:46:12	dxld	the easy answer is just only load files that are reachable in the partial mg
2019-05-25 18:46:51	dxld	but I think we might be able to use a cached old version of a module, you know from when it last compiled successfully, to just carry on with ordinarily unreachable modules too
2019-05-25 18:47:03	dxld	but that's really just a pipedream at this point
2019-05-25 18:48:06	dxld	the main use cases here are: 1) don't crash HIE ever! and 2) for cabal component discovery alla ghc-mod which doesn't need full module graph information
2019-05-25 18:53:07	dxld	does gitlab seriously not have a way to easily view the individual commit messages without opening each commit in a tab??
2019-05-25 18:54:22	alanz	git clone, magit in emacs :)
2019-05-25 18:54:35	dxld	well yeah but then you can't review :(
2019-05-25 18:54:41	dxld	this sucks
2019-05-25 18:54:44	dxld	I miss phab
2019-05-25 19:01:43	dxld	ah!
2019-05-25 19:01:58	dxld	there's a [...] button next to the commit subject in the commits list 
2019-05-25 19:11:14	mpickering	does your pr change the behaviour of `load` in ghc? 
2019-05-25 19:11:30	dxld	how do you mean?
2019-05-25 19:11:52	dxld	also should we maybe be doing this Q&A on gitlab so the other devs can see it?
2019-05-25 19:14:14	dxld	you're probably asking if `load` suddenly work with partial module graphs suddenly
2019-05-25 19:14:45	dxld	s/suddenly work/works/
2019-05-25 19:15:06	dxld	and no, depanal will still throw an exception on any errors in the module graph
2019-05-25 19:15:17	dxld	and `load` calls `depanal` internally
2019-05-25 19:15:33	dxld	but we can bypass those two entirely if we want to
2019-05-25 19:41:06	mpickering	dxld: So I thought the correct way to load targets if you wanted to also get hold of the module graph was to call `depanal` and then `load`. 
2019-05-25 19:41:19	mpickering	So my understand was that you would make `depanal` return a partial module graph
2019-05-25 19:41:29	mpickering	`load'` sorry
2019-05-25 19:42:07	mpickering	Instead it seems you have made `downsweep` return a partial graph?
2019-05-25 19:42:21	mpickering	So any consume has to reimplement `depanal` themselves. Doesn't seem good. 
2019-05-25 19:49:29	dxld	mpickering: the thing is for the more advanced use-cases depanal does too much stuff anyways
2019-05-25 19:49:43	mpickering	like what?
2019-05-25 19:50:53	dxld	ok looking at it again it doesn't actually do that much stuff
2019-05-25 19:51:05	mpickering	It just calls downsweep basically and then reports from errors
2019-05-25 19:51:11	dxld	but it is just a thin wrapper anyways
2019-05-25 19:51:22	dxld	I guess I can make a depanal' or something
2019-05-25 19:51:27	mpickering	right but if you want HIE to report the same errors as normal GHC you have to be careful about this
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2019-05-25 19:51:30	dxld	just didn't seem worth it
2019-05-25 19:51:38	mpickering	Why do you need depanal'?
2019-05-25 19:51:47	mpickering	What goes wrong if you make depanal return the partial module graph
2019-05-25 19:51:54	mpickering	this is why I was asking about `load`
2019-05-25 19:51:57	dxld	because regular depanal is still what 99.9% of api users want
2019-05-25 19:52:14	dxld	then errors get swallowed that should be reported
2019-05-25 19:52:34	dxld	you _want_ regular depanal to complain if parsing module headers fails
2019-05-25 19:52:35	mpickering	so where do the errors get throw at the moment when `depanal` is called?
2019-05-25 19:52:38	dxld	or if CPP fails
2019-05-25 19:52:46	dxld	depanal
2019-05-25 19:52:53	mpickering	is it the `reportImportErrors` function?
2019-05-25 19:52:55	dxld	reportImportErrors is the thing that throws
2019-05-25 19:52:56	dxld	yeah
2019-05-25 19:53:21	dxld	that function could use a rename I guess, since it's not really import errors exclusively anymore
2019-05-25 19:53:35	dxld	in fact as far as I can tell downsweep never throws any import errors
2019-05-25 19:53:39	dxld	even if it can't find a module
2019-05-25 19:53:55	mpickering	So really you want to make `depanal` return a pair of errors a module graph
2019-05-25 19:54:09	dxld	not really
2019-05-25 19:54:12	mpickering	then in `load`, call `reportImportErrors`
2019-05-25 19:54:19	mpickering	and API users can do what they like with the errors?
2019-05-25 19:54:20	dxld	I don't want to break every GHC api client under the sun for one thing
2019-05-25 19:54:32	dxld	and I really think depanal throwing is the right behaviour for most use-cases
2019-05-25 19:54:48	mpickering	Ok, so you can make a `depanalWithErrors` function?
2019-05-25 19:55:01	dxld	sure that would have been my depanal' thing ;)
2019-05-25 19:55:25	dxld	I still want to export downsweep though
2019-05-25 19:55:34	mpickering	yep no worries about that
2019-05-25 19:55:35	dxld	because sometimes I might not want to flush the finder cache
2019-05-25 19:55:51	mpickering	it's annoying when things aren't exported
2019-05-25 19:55:54	dxld	like when I know files haven't moved around because I have some inotify thing going on
2019-05-25 19:56:30	dxld	ok then
2019-05-25 19:56:32	mpickering	I'm against `'` naming though haha.. too many functions like that in ghc
2019-05-25 19:56:39	dxld	haha yeah sure
2019-05-25 19:56:46	dxld	I wasn't seriously suggesting that name
2019-05-25 19:57:15	dxld	though there is something to be said about at least staying consistent with horrible naming ;-)
2019-05-25 19:58:13	dxld	btw. do I have to specifically mention on the PRs that the test failures aren't my fault?
2019-05-25 19:58:31	dxld	It seems all the red builds I'm seeing also happened on master
2019-05-25 19:58:55	dxld	i.e. do people already skip looking at/reviewing PRs if they're red in ghc land?
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2019-05-25 20:05:18	mpickering	no
2019-05-25 20:05:39	mpickering	probably no one apart from me will comment anyway
2019-05-25 20:06:32	mpickering	your tests are good 
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2019-05-25 23:41:04	wz1000	alanz: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/71465cb6adac03804b40db0a6a16be3f
2019-05-25 23:41:37	alanz	wz1000, can the "." go in?
2019-05-25 23:41:57	alanz	otherwise it is fine, now I look more closely
2019-05-25 23:42:35	alanz	except the zero seems to be missing? 8.9.0.2019 => 80900020
2019-05-25 23:42:46	wz1000	alanz: the ghc version with the '.' is the second line
2019-05-25 23:43:13	alanz	ok, so do both of those appear in the file?
2019-05-25 23:43:18	wz1000	yes
2019-05-25 23:43:58	alanz	ok, should be fine then. Main thing is to be able to look at the first line in an editor, cat, etc and know what it is
2019-05-25 23:44:19	alanz	without having to manually convert binary stuff
2019-05-25 23:44:45	alanz	exactly as per your "head -2 test.hie"
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2019-05-26 15:37:27	alanz	mpickering, see https://github.com/ndmitchell/hlint/issues/645
2019-05-26 15:37:37	alanz	FYI. A good step, in my opinion
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2019-05-26 17:49:17	dxld	mpickering: FYI I pushed the changes you asked for yesterday
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2019-05-27 05:47:51	erikd	how closely is the version of hie tied to the ghc version? can i use hie compiled with ghc 8.6 with projects i building with ghc 8.4 ?
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2019-05-27 06:37:41	erikd	also, how well is cabal new-build supported? i looked on github for new-build related issue but wasn't able to find any
2019-05-27 06:38:50	infinisil	erikd: Very closely, you'll need the exact same version, so for a GHC 8.6.4 project you can't use 8.6.3 HIE
2019-05-27 06:40:06	erikd	infinisil: thanks
2019-05-27 06:40:31	infinisil	And as far as I know, new-build support is still experimental, but there is support for it
2019-05-27 06:43:46	erikd	experiemtal meaning support is unlikely to be complete and there are likely to be bugs (not a crticism, just an observation)
2019-05-27 06:44:30	erikd	perhaps there should be a 'new-build' classification to issues on github
2019-05-27 06:54:56	erikd	alanz: would it be possible to add a 'new-build' label to github issues and tag existing new-build related issues?
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2019-05-27 10:43:49	teto	I don't know if you see this in vscode as well but in neovim + coc.nvim, I see '[ghcmod] [E]' as a diagnostic ? ( e.g. empty error on the first character of the file)
2019-05-27 10:46:05	teto	ok I think it happens when the Generated files miss. I was dismisive of the issue but Now that I have several targets/executables in my project depending on this generated file, it's kind of a pain that hie doesn't deal with it xD
2019-05-27 11:37:15	alanz	erikd, the new-build support is coming via the GSOC work dxld is doing at the moment
2019-05-27 11:37:41	alanz	so the support that is there is a bit iffy, pending a proper solution, in a few months
2019-05-27 11:38:38	alanz	also, we have the hie-wrapper process that determines the ghc version used in a project, and launches the appropriate one to match it
2019-05-27 12:02:56	erikd	alanz: thanks, so how the the hie-wrapper workk? if this is documented, just point me at that
2019-05-27 12:03:37	erikd	s/the the/does the/
2019-05-27 12:05:18	alanz	erikd, I am scratching through the repo and don't find anything obvious in the docs
2019-05-27 12:05:31	alanz	There should be an issue/PR on it
2019-05-27 12:06:10	alanz	All it does is identify the project GHC version, then call one of the exec syscalls to become that one instead, preserving the existing stdio connections
2019-05-27 12:06:31	alanz	nothing to do with new build per se
2019-05-27 12:13:13	alanz	except that for new-build it cannot reliably determine the GHC version at the moment, if the project has been configured using --with-compiler and variants
2019-05-27 12:14:27	erikd	i currently have more than one ghc version installed and i switch between them by mutating my PATH. is hie going to do the right thing?
2019-05-27 12:15:01	alanz	for stack projects it chooses based on the resolver
2019-05-27 12:15:21	alanz	for cabal it looks at what it gets for finding the exe "ghc"
2019-05-27 12:15:37	alanz	so long as hie sees the one you expect, it should be fine
2019-05-27 12:15:58	erikd	thats a yes then :)
2019-05-27 12:16:29	alanz	we are intending to move hie toward an approach similar to what ghcid does using a hie-bios, which mpickering has been documenting/planning
2019-05-27 12:16:43	alanz	and should come in with the GSOC work (holding thumbs)
2019-05-27 12:17:09	alanz	See https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1126
2019-05-27 12:17:46	alanz	erikd, its only a "yes" if it mutates such that hie sees it, however hie is started
2019-05-27 12:18:25	erikd	right, but i start a terminal, decide on which ghc version i want and then hie will get it right?
2019-05-27 12:19:19	alanz	yes, if you then launch your client from there, e.g. using emacs
2019-05-27 12:19:43	alanz	but if you have an already running emacs session, then it may not work
2019-05-27 12:19:56	erikd	yeah, then i launch the editor (anything but emacs :) )
2019-05-27 12:20:21	alanz	what are you using, for interest?
2019-05-27 12:20:25	alanz	and what LSP client?
2019-05-27 12:20:54	erikd	planning on using vscodium (vscode without the trackers etc)
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2019-05-27 12:26:18	alanz	ok, that should work, vscode is the flagship for this stuff
2019-05-27 12:27:05	erikd	and vscodium is the defanged version :)
2019-05-27 12:27:05	alanz	erikd, I look forward to PRs from you, as you sink your teeth into this and fix things that niggle you :)
2019-05-27 12:27:34	alanz	yes.  I am too lazy, given them my pint of blood.
2019-05-27 12:27:38	erikd	you know me too well alanz 
2019-05-27 12:27:50	alanz	And basically want the vanilla experience, for bug fixing for other people
2019-05-27 12:28:07	alanz	erikd, I'm very glad to see you taking an interest in this, tbh
2019-05-27 12:30:10	erikd	well, i will give it some effort over the next couple of months, but i may end up dropping it.
2019-05-27 12:30:15	erikd	i really dislike all editors, even the one i currently useg (because i hate it the least) geany.
2019-05-27 12:30:42	erikd	vscodium is likely to give me significantl;y more pain than hie
2019-05-27 12:31:07	alanz	what is your day to day goto? vi? vim?
2019-05-27 12:31:49	erikd	geany. i don't like it, i just hate it leas than vim or emacs. vim i can use, but prefer not to. emacs is a complete no go for me :)
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2019-05-27 12:32:43	alanz	I use emacs in evil mode, and it works for me. But I have used emacs for >20 years now
2019-05-27 12:32:57	erikd	geany does not have LSP support and i don't like it enough to put the effort into fixing it
2019-05-27 12:33:19	erikd	i first tried emacs in 1988. swore of it within about a day
2019-05-27 12:33:43	alanz	well, LSP is becoming a big enough thing that it is likely a matter of time
2019-05-27 12:38:21	erikd	if only i could find an editor i actually liked that also had LSP support :)
2019-05-27 12:40:02	erikd	this is the point that people tell me i should write my own editor and i run away screaming
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2019-05-27 14:06:25	teto	master neovim + https://github.com/neoclide/coc.nvim has been a really good experience. With floating windows, it feels like an IDE.
2019-05-27 14:08:17	jose_zap	+1 on that, much much better experience after switching to coc.nvim
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2019-05-28 02:53:13	mpickering	dxld: Did you update the wiki page yet with what your plan is? 
2019-05-28 03:07:21	dxld	mpickering: nope, and I'm glad I didn't because I'm doing a hard pivot atm :)
2019-05-28 03:08:03	dxld	I think I have a better idea for how to make multi-comp more efficient
2019-05-28 03:12:03	dxld	"better" in the sense that it doesn't rely on:
2019-05-28 03:12:05	dxld	 a) hoping global C library state (which the multi linker instance PR doesn't and can't fix) fuck everything up
2019-05-28 03:12:37	dxld	or b) making fexternal-interp work
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2019-05-28 03:15:12	dxld	also it would also make tweag's ghc-server use case almost trivial to implement :)
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2019-05-28 11:49:35	mpickering	dxld: Please write down what you are doing then! 
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2019-05-29 14:48:36	wz1000	mpickering: what do you mean by "It still needs to be placed onto the ghc-head branch before it is merged."?
2019-05-29 14:49:51	wz1000	I've pushed the submodule update
2019-05-29 14:50:53	wz1000	Do you mean the haddock commit needs to go on the haddock:ghc-head branch?
2019-05-29 14:51:13	wz1000	It also needs to go on the ghc-8.8 branch in haddock
2019-05-29 14:51:32	mpickering	yes but only just before it gets merged
2019-05-29 14:51:43	mpickering	getting haddock updates into the tree is a bit intricate
2019-05-29 14:54:21	wz1000	mpickering: btw, I'm not available this evening. Can we have the discussion tomorrow?
2019-05-29 14:54:41	mpickering	or we can quickly catch up now if that works for you
2019-05-29 14:55:59	wz1000	I have to leave in about 5 mins. But I've been working on hie-lsif, and you should expect a PR in a couple of days.
2019-05-29 14:56:11	wz1000	tomorrow hopefully
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2019-05-29 14:56:49	mpickering	ok, we'll chat tomorrow then
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2019-05-29 17:10:57	dxld	mpickering: is is normal for marge to have to try this often to merge something? https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/1014
2019-05-29 17:13:40	mpickering	dxld: It's not your fault
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2019-05-29 18:05:27	fendor	we should prepare the monthly release soonish
2019-05-29 18:05:45	fendor	should we try to resolve https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1264 before that?
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2019-05-29 19:30:31	dxld	mpickering: do you have any ideas how I could profile how much memory a certain datatype record field is using?
2019-05-29 19:31:20	dxld	it doesn't even necessarily have to be record field level granularity
2019-05-29 19:31:28	mpickering	yes
2019-05-29 19:31:34	mpickering	let me look up the option
2019-05-29 19:31:35	dxld	I'd be happy just to be able to know how much memory EPS is consuming
2019-05-29 19:31:50	dxld	oh I'm an idiot
2019-05-29 19:31:55	dxld	it's -hy isn't it
2019-05-29 19:32:02	mpickering	right it's one of them
2019-05-29 19:32:08	mpickering	you can filter by type
2019-05-29 19:32:12	dxld	I was still thinking per-field and that's more difficult
2019-05-29 19:32:38	dxld	my approach was attaching SCCs to everything that creates an ExternalPackageState
2019-05-29 19:32:53	dxld	and then -hC ExternalPackageState
2019-05-29 19:33:04	dxld	but I don't trust these numbers since they say 100% of ghc's memory use is EPS :)
2019-05-29 19:33:09	mpickering	ok, better to use -hy or -hd
2019-05-29 19:33:20	mpickering	are you profiling GHC itself then?
2019-05-29 19:33:23	dxld	yeah
2019-05-29 19:33:33	dxld	I'm switching gears yet agai
2019-05-29 19:33:36	mpickering	make sure you increase the sampling interval
2019-05-29 19:33:37	dxld	*again
2019-05-29 19:33:54	dxld	I'm compiling lib:Cabal so I think that should be ok?
2019-05-29 19:34:12	dxld	it runs long enough to give enough samples I think
2019-05-29 19:36:21	mpickering	yes that's a good test case
2019-05-29 19:36:32	mpickering	but you need to increase/decrease the sampling interval
2019-05-29 19:36:43	dxld	I think it's not optimal because it probably doesn't read that many Ifaces
2019-05-29 19:36:54	dxld	I'd like something that heavily relies on external packages
2019-05-29 19:37:03	dxld	so the ifaces don't just get passed around internally
2019-05-29 19:37:13	dxld	mpickering: why?
2019-05-29 19:37:28	mpickering	If you have a large residency then each profiling tick triggers GC
2019-05-29 19:37:38	mpickering	so the time spent in GC is huge so the profiled run takes ages
2019-05-29 19:37:46	dxld	hmm
2019-05-29 19:37:50	mpickering	You can change it with -V
2019-05-29 19:37:52	dxld	gc overhead was 5sec on the last run
2019-05-29 19:37:57	dxld	not -i ?
2019-05-29 19:38:08	mpickering	ok, I've seen it be 1000% of program run time
2019-05-29 19:38:14	dxld	:D
2019-05-29 19:38:18	dxld	I think I'd notice that
2019-05-29 19:38:26	mpickering	ah right, -i as well
2019-05-29 19:38:27	mpickering	https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/latest/docs/html/users_guide/profiling.html?highlight=profiling#rts-flag--V%20%E2%9F%A8secs%E2%9F%A9
2019-05-29 19:38:41	mpickering	yeah `-i` is right
2019-05-29 19:39:05	mpickering	`haskell-ide-engine` has a lot of dependencies
2019-05-29 19:39:07	dxld	ok
2019-05-29 19:39:09	dxld	haha
2019-05-29 19:39:11	mpickering	but probably hard to build with HEAD
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2019-05-29 19:39:22	dxld	I don't really want to build all of those with an -O0 profiled ghc ;)
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2019-05-29 19:39:39	mpickering	can't you construct a package with hundreds of modules?
2019-05-29 19:39:43	dxld	I think cabal-install might be just what I want
2019-05-29 19:39:46	mpickering	ok
2019-05-29 19:39:52	dxld	sure I could
2019-05-29 19:39:56	mpickering	what are you actually doing?
2019-05-29 19:40:08	dxld	but that's more work than just picking one that exhibits the behaviour I want
2019-05-29 19:40:17	dxld	for now I just want some baselines
2019-05-29 19:40:32	mpickering	You will also see the profiling graphs look weird because the last sample is not time adjusted for GC time
2019-05-29 19:40:38	dxld	so sanity check if my assumption that EPS is a memory hog is even right
2019-05-29 19:40:43	mpickering	so you get a really long linear tail
2019-05-29 19:40:54	dxld	ah I was wondering about that :)
2019-05-29 19:41:12	mpickering	so if you want to fix that as well :P
2019-05-29 19:41:17	dxld	can I filter that out somehow?
2019-05-29 19:41:27	dxld	it's fucking up my graphs big time
2019-05-29 19:41:42	mpickering	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/issues/16607
2019-05-29 19:41:47	mpickering	Open the .hp file 
2019-05-29 19:41:49	mpickering	and delete the last sample
2019-05-29 19:41:54	dxld	the tail is like occupying 3/4ths of the space
2019-05-29 19:41:57	dxld	ah
2019-05-29 19:42:08	mpickering	https://stackoverflow.com/questions/53818534/heap-profile-graph-has-perfectly-linear-tail
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2019-05-29 19:43:09	mpickering	I also have a version of hp2pretty which allows you to correlate profiles with events from the eventlog
2019-05-29 19:43:21	mpickering	so if that's useful for you then you can build ghc with -eventlog
2019-05-29 19:43:29	mpickering	and generate eventlogs and use my fork instead
2019-05-29 19:43:50	mpickering	GHC emits events about which stage it's currently compiling
2019-05-29 19:43:51	dxld	that might be cool yeah
2019-05-29 19:43:55	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/hp2pretty
2019-05-29 19:44:01	dxld	I'll come back to you about that when it turns out I need it though
2019-05-29 19:44:09	mpickering	sure
2019-05-29 19:44:32	mpickering	Perhaps you should try profiling GHCi?
2019-05-29 19:44:42	mpickering	Because that's a GHC application more like hie
2019-05-29 19:44:42	dxld	why?
2019-05-29 19:44:52	dxld	I don't think it makes a difference
2019-05-29 19:45:09	dxld	the only difference there is that the home mods get byte compiled
2019-05-29 19:45:21	dxld	iface loading for packages should still be the same
2019-05-29 19:45:48	mpickering	ok
2019-05-29 19:45:55	dxld	I'll probably just switch to a custom driver with hscTarget=HscInteractive if that becomes a problem
2019-05-29 19:45:56	mpickering	btw I did profile hie and found the biggest memory hog was the type map
2019-05-29 19:46:12	dxld	yeah I think I saw that discussion
2019-05-29 19:46:24	dxld	but ghc's memory use is horrible too ;)
2019-05-29 19:46:35	dxld	I have the battle scars to prove it
2019-05-29 19:46:43	mpickering	It's true 
2019-05-29 19:46:47	mpickering	no attention has been paid to it
2019-05-29 19:47:07	mpickering	but I think you'll find a lot of memory is used by all the things in TcGblEnv etc rather than EPS
2019-05-29 19:47:20	mpickering	you'll find out from the profiles
2019-05-29 19:47:23	dxld	it's starting to look like that yeah
2019-05-29 19:47:34	dxld	but surely that shouldn't accumulate across multiple modules
2019-05-29 19:47:51	dxld	I did find some TyThings in EPS that get generated when typechecking Ifaces
2019-05-29 19:47:59	dxld	(I didn't even know that was necessary)
2019-05-29 19:48:13	dxld	so this is all starting to look much more complicated than I anticipated
2019-05-29 19:48:19	mpickering	In --make mode, information is stored between modules in memory though right?
2019-05-29 19:48:20	dxld	which is why I'm profiling now :)
2019-05-29 19:48:39	mpickering	so unless you're super careful then laziness can keep a reference to anything to anything you compiled before
2019-05-29 19:48:43	dxld	I wouldn't expect the whole type env stuff to be kept around TBH
2019-05-29 19:48:46	dxld	but I dunno yet
2019-05-29 19:49:01	mpickering	Did you see how Simon Marlow found the space leaks in GHCi?
2019-05-29 19:49:09	dxld	hmm
2019-05-29 19:49:11	mpickering	You could do the same as that for the frontend of the compiler as well
2019-05-29 19:49:13	dxld	maybe but remind me
2019-05-29 19:49:19	mpickering	There's a blogpost
2019-05-29 19:49:32	mpickering	but the basic idea is that you make a weak pointer
2019-05-29 19:49:39	dxld	I looked at a lot of memory/perf blog posts at work when we were debugging out C++/Haskell monstrum
2019-05-29 19:49:44	dxld	which was even worse than ghc
2019-05-29 19:49:50	mpickering	to something you expect to be gced by the end of a certain point
2019-05-29 19:49:57	dxld	48GB max memory usage at some point :)
2019-05-29 19:50:08	mpickering	then you get to the end, and check if the weak pointer is still live or not
2019-05-29 19:50:08	dxld	ah that makes sense
2019-05-29 19:50:31	mpickering	If it's not, then he used gdb to find the retainer of the pointer
2019-05-29 19:50:44	dxld	gdb can do that?
2019-05-29 19:50:47	mpickering	so doing that in the frontend would be useful if there's some parts you identify which are leaking
2019-05-29 19:50:49	mpickering	yep
2019-05-29 19:50:57	dxld	cool
2019-05-29 19:51:05	mpickering	https://simonmar.github.io/posts/2018-06-20-Finding-fixing-space-leaks.html
2019-05-29 19:51:07	dxld	ok, that sounds very useful when I get to that stage
2019-05-29 19:51:28	mpickering	Is this related to the compact regions stuff or is it another idea?
2019-05-29 19:51:54	dxld	I've given up on the compact region thing for now
2019-05-29 19:52:07	dxld	I still think it might work but it's too much work when I handle lazyness
2019-05-29 19:52:32	mpickering	ok, so you finished with the targetContents patch and the downsweep patch?
2019-05-29 19:52:33	dxld	so first I have to figure out how much memory stuff is using now so I can compare it later
2019-05-29 19:52:37	mpickering	ok
2019-05-29 19:52:57	dxld	my plan right now is to investigate the overhead of parsing/caching ModIface
2019-05-29 19:53:22	mpickering	what's the general goal?
2019-05-29 19:53:22	dxld	and I have this crazy idea in the back of my mind that we should just be using sqlite to read ifaces right off the disk/page-cache
2019-05-29 19:53:53	dxld	but it's looking like there is real work that's going on and not just parsing or I/O overhead
2019-05-29 19:54:00	dxld	(like typechecking the ifaces)
2019-05-29 19:54:16	dxld	well the goal is still the same
2019-05-29 19:54:21	dxld	make ghc use less memory
2019-05-29 19:54:34	dxld	I've abandoned the ide of doing multiple sessions in process
2019-05-29 19:54:42	dxld	I think it's too iffy all around
2019-05-29 19:54:57	dxld	and dispatching to multiple processes should be easy for HIE anyways
2019-05-29 19:55:21	dxld	so my current line of inquiry is: "how can I share across processes?"
2019-05-29 19:56:30	mpickering	ok, so how does making GHC use less memory help with sharing things between processes? It seems they are different tasks
2019-05-29 19:56:34	dxld	if modifaces turn out to be a major memory hog I can look into mmaping them using compact regions (wich will be quite hard and low-level) or using a persistent datastructure on disk instead of reading them into memory
2019-05-29 19:57:02	dxld	sharing things across processes means those things are only in memory once
2019-05-29 19:57:07	dxld	-> reducing memory usage overall
2019-05-29 19:57:58	mpickering	There's currently no code in h-i-e for spawning separate GHC processes is there?
2019-05-29 19:58:14	dxld	well there's the hie-wrapper
2019-05-29 19:58:35	dxld	it would just have to learn how to act as a request proxy
2019-05-29 19:58:45	dxld	and route the requests for certain components to the right process
2019-05-29 19:59:10	mpickering	I'm thinking perhaps it would be better to get that part sorted out first and then it will be more obvious where the bottlenecks are
2019-05-29 19:59:16	dxld	that would also mean using multiple GHC versions is much more uniform
2019-05-29 19:59:27	dxld	since that's just another peice of routing info
2019-05-29 19:59:44	dxld	what do you mean?
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2019-05-29 20:00:19	mpickering	Making GHC use less memory is not necessary for making h-i-e spawn multiple GHC processes, yes? 
2019-05-29 20:00:30	dxld	I dunno
2019-05-29 20:00:48	dxld	I don't think many users will be happy with HIE using like 32G of memory :)
2019-05-29 20:00:54	mpickering	At a conceptual level it isn't. At a practical level it might be. 
2019-05-29 20:01:20	dxld	I just think my expertise is put to better use figuring out the hard bits of getting the memory consumption down
2019-05-29 20:01:26	dxld	proxy/request routing anyone can do
2019-05-29 20:01:34	mpickering	Indeed, but no one will if you don't do it
2019-05-29 20:01:55	mpickering	and it provides more focus to do it this way around
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2019-05-29 20:02:22	mpickering	there are lots of things which could be shared but we don't have a good idea about what is worthwhile yet
2019-05-29 20:02:37	mpickering	and we also have to keep in mind what upstream would be willing to merge
2019-05-29 20:02:55	dxld	honestly I don't think that'll be a problem
2019-05-29 20:03:17	dxld	if I can show a significant memory usage reduction people will be screaming in the streets for GHCHQ to merge it :)
2019-05-29 20:03:50	mpickering	I don't think so. I think it's unlikely anything involving sqlite will get merged. 
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2019-05-29 20:04:03	mpickering	or anything which adds a new dependency
2019-05-29 20:04:05	dxld	haha watch me :P
2019-05-29 20:04:21	dxld	I don't think new (optional) C dependencies would be _that_ controvertial
2019-05-29 20:04:33	dxld	haskell dependencies are a pain for various coordination reasons
2019-05-29 20:04:41	dxld	but sqlite is extremely stable
2019-05-29 20:04:58	mpickering	If it doesn't get merged then it's a waste of time really which is why I am being defensive about this. 
2019-05-29 20:05:11	dxld	which is why I'm profiling first :p
2019-05-29 20:05:31	mpickering	What could be merged is a way to extend GHC using Hooks or something to change how something works
2019-05-29 20:05:40	mpickering	which could be used by a client with sqlite or something
2019-05-29 20:05:46	dxld	if it turns out Ifaces aren't the problem I can just abandone this idea and switch to doing new-build stuff instead
2019-05-29 20:06:42	dxld	that wouldn't really be an option
2019-05-29 20:06:54	dxld	because all the compiled packages would still use ghc's shitty iface format
2019-05-29 20:07:30	mpickering	You've heard my opinion now so you can decide what to do
2019-05-29 20:07:38	mpickering	What's the goal for this time next week, what should I expect to have happened?
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2019-05-29 20:09:20	dxld	I'll either have some good profiling results and be experimenting with reducing the ModIface ovehead or I'll switch to cabal-helper and HIE integration work
2019-05-29 20:10:04	dxld	I have 4 weeks allocated for the multi-session stuff so it should be ok to use one week for profiling
2019-05-29 20:10:23	mpickering	please can you write down somewhere what experiments you run and what the results are
2019-05-29 20:10:24	dxld	if that turns out to all be a dead end I can re-allocate the remaining three to the other stuff
2019-05-29 20:10:33	dxld	I'll try
2019-05-29 20:10:36	mpickering	even if they go no where for you the information could still be useful
2019-05-29 20:10:47	dxld	I am notoriously bad at recording my experiments so thanks for reminding me :)
2019-05-29 20:13:07	dxld	hmm
2019-05-29 20:13:13	dxld	looks like -hy is not recursive
2019-05-29 20:16:49	mpickering	what did you expect it to do?
2019-05-29 20:17:18	dxld	well I need to know how much memory EPS is using, total, including all it's fields and so on
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2019-05-29 20:23:27	dxld	mpickering: looks like marge finally merged targetContents. Just rebased it so I think you can assign the other PR to it (her?) now.
2019-05-29 20:25:04	mpickering	So what does `-hy` tell you if not that?
2019-05-29 20:25:20	mpickering	yes I will assign your other MR
2019-05-29 20:25:25	mpickering	did you deal with my comments?
2019-05-29 20:25:30	dxld	yeah
2019-05-29 20:25:46	dxld	It shows you mostly constructors like `[]`
2019-05-29 20:26:12	dxld	it doesn't seem to account for the memory usage of the contents of the constructor fields
2019-05-29 20:26:28	dxld	I guess that wouldn't really make sense in the kind of graph -h produces anyways
2019-05-29 20:26:46	dxld	you'd get more than the total memory usage because things are being accounted multiple times
2019-05-29 20:27:25	dxld	I tried -hyExternalPackageState now
2019-05-29 20:28:48	dxld	but that seems strange too
2019-05-29 20:29:21	dxld	I would expect it to just have one key for EPS but it breaks it donw per constructor still
2019-05-29 20:29:33	mpickering	The easiest patch might be to modify the profiler to add the precise mode you are interested in
2019-05-29 20:29:37	dxld	so either it filtered out just the values that occur on EPS or did nothing
2019-05-29 20:29:55	dxld	I wouldn't even know where to begin there
2019-05-29 20:30:13	dxld	I tried reading the ghc profiler papers a while back
2019-05-29 20:30:15	mpickering	So you are just using `-hy`? 
2019-05-29 20:30:19	dxld	didn't really understand them
2019-05-29 20:30:24	mpickering	or what options are you using?
2019-05-29 20:30:25	dxld	-hyExternalPackageState
2019-05-29 20:30:30	dxld	-s and that's it
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2019-05-29 20:31:40	mpickering	and the resulting graph shows you things to do with constructors?
2019-05-29 20:31:49	dxld	yeah
2019-05-29 20:33:39	mpickering	can you do `-hy -hyExternalPackageState`?
2019-05-29 20:33:47	dxld	http://dxld.at/p/u/ghc-stage2-hyExternalPackagestate.ps
2019-05-29 20:34:02	dxld	huh, yeah
2019-05-29 20:35:00	mpickering	btw most people use hp2pretty and not hp2ps
2019-05-29 20:35:09	mpickering	as you get an svg instead of a ps
2019-05-29 20:35:24	mpickering	(by most people I mean, me and ben)
2019-05-29 20:35:30	dxld	:)
2019-05-29 20:35:48	dxld	I think I used it at work and didn't like it :P
2019-05-29 20:36:03	dxld	I wish we had something you can zoom around in pan in like in ThreadScope
2019-05-29 20:36:15	mpickering	It produces exactly the same output... but as an svg
2019-05-29 20:36:26	dxld	oh, I'm thinking of something else then
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2019-05-29 20:37:04	dxld	oook
2019-05-29 20:37:09	mpickering	there must be some kind of standard format which could be used by tools other languages use
2019-05-29 20:37:10	dxld	now I have a graph with just EPS
2019-05-29 20:37:19	dxld	and it uses a grand total of 180bytes :)
2019-05-29 20:37:32	mpickering	lol interesting
2019-05-29 20:37:46	dxld	looks like I'll have to make a new profiler mode
2019-05-29 20:38:04	dxld	have you looked at the profiling code before?
2019-05-29 20:38:16	dxld	with some pointers I could probably get this done
2019-05-29 20:38:53	mpickering	yes I have but I don't know C very well
2019-05-29 20:39:02	dxld	oh that's my specialty
2019-05-29 20:39:22	mpickering	I think first we have to think about how to specify the mode
2019-05-29 20:39:55	dxld	i'd be ok with just giving it the type name like I'm doing with -hy
2019-05-29 20:40:23	mpickering	I suppose it is a bit like the retainer profiler 
2019-05-29 20:40:43	mpickering	but where the retainer is allowed to be a constructor
2019-05-29 20:40:56	mpickering	because crucially in the retainer profiler, retainers are not constructors
2019-05-29 20:41:17	dxld	I could never find any docs on exactly wtf a retainer is anyways
2019-05-29 20:41:27	dxld	I mean I get the abstract concept but..
2019-05-29 20:41:40	mpickering	A retainer is either the system stack, an unevaluated closure (thunk), or an explicitly mutable object.
2019-05-29 20:41:46	mpickering	In particular, constructors are not retainers.
2019-05-29 20:41:53	mpickering	https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/latest/docs/html/users_guide/profiling.html#retainer-profiling
2019-05-29 20:42:15	dxld	huh, I'm sure that used to not be there :P
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2019-05-29 20:42:51	mpickering	the retainer profiling code is in RetainerProfile.c
2019-05-29 20:43:44	dxld	gimme a sec I'm just quicly constructing a test case for this
2019-05-29 20:46:11	mpickering	the key function looks like `isRetainer`
2019-05-29 20:48:14	dxld	ok back
2019-05-29 20:49:15	dxld	retainClosure looks interesting
2019-05-29 20:49:42	dxld	it does a recursive traversal it looks like
2019-05-29 20:50:26	dxld	uff `goto loop`, who wrote this code
2019-05-29 20:52:51	dxld	mpickering: do you know where the code for the heap profile is?
2019-05-29 20:53:00	mpickering	ProfHeap.c
2019-05-29 20:53:16	mpickering	I don't think it's particularly complicated stuff
2019-05-29 20:53:25	dxld	nah looks ok
2019-05-29 20:53:44	dxld	the goto stuff is a bit meh but I can probably figure it out
2019-05-29 20:54:31	dxld	hmm
2019-05-29 20:54:39	mpickering	the retainer profilng has a long history of stack overflowing and segfaulting
2019-05-29 20:54:44	dxld	could we use ghc-heap to make it possible to write profilers in haskell??
2019-05-29 20:54:47	dxld	that would be cool
2019-05-29 20:54:54	mpickering	I had that idea
2019-05-29 20:55:04	dxld	that would be amazing
2019-05-29 20:55:14	mpickering	but the problem is you have to attach to another haskell process somehow
2019-05-29 20:55:22	mpickering	and pause it's execution
2019-05-29 20:55:27	mpickering	using something like ptrace
2019-05-29 20:55:33	dxld	hmm
2019-05-29 20:55:33	mpickering	and that seemed too hairy for me
2019-05-29 20:55:46	mpickering	you also need to be able to get a pointer to the heap from the haskell process
2019-05-29 20:55:54	mpickering	so you can read the whole heap
2019-05-29 20:56:05	dxld	might be possible to just fire up a second RTS in a process
2019-05-29 20:56:17	dxld	though it's most certainly not designed to do that
2019-05-29 20:56:39	mpickering	you have to make sure you don't GC whilst performing profiling
2019-05-29 20:56:45	mpickering	that's the main challenge
2019-05-29 20:56:50	dxld	hence the second RTS
2019-05-29 20:57:00	dxld	then you have separate heaps and don't have to worry about it
2019-05-29 20:57:11	dxld	as long as you don't have to profile your profiler :)
2019-05-29 20:57:45	dxld	but I guess just suspending GC somehow might work
2019-05-29 20:57:57	dxld	just make sure there's enough memory in the allocation areas up front instead
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2019-05-29 21:00:59	dxld	like the user has to specify an ammount of memory that has to free in all allocation areas before invoking profiling and then the RTS makes that happen just before entering the haskell profiler code
2019-05-29 21:01:09	dxld	and it it runs out instead of GCing it just throws up
2019-05-29 21:01:35	dxld	s/has to free/has to be free/
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2019-05-29 21:02:53	dxld	maybe we should replace the multi-session section in my proposal with profiler improvements :)
2019-05-29 21:03:33	dxld	this is actually sounding extremely interesting to me and it would make memory leak profiling muuuuch easier going forward
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2019-05-29 21:13:51	mpickering	lol.. well that was an idea I would have mentored for gsoc
2019-05-29 21:14:07	mpickering	the other project idea I posted as meant to be a warm up for this
2019-05-29 21:18:38	dxld	hm?
2019-05-29 21:19:33	dxld	the eventlog thing?
2019-05-29 21:25:03	mpickering	yeah
2019-05-29 21:25:08	mpickering	they are not really related
2019-05-29 21:25:19	mpickering	but the eventlog project wouldn't have taken very long and would be a good warm up
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2019-05-30 11:36:18	mpickering	wz1000: Let me know what time you want to chat today
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2019-05-30 19:39:35	wz1000	mpickering: Hi
2019-05-30 19:39:43	mpickering	hello
2019-05-30 19:40:16	wz1000	sorry, something came up today, I wasn't at home the whole day
2019-05-30 19:42:05	mpickering	that's ok
2019-05-30 19:45:04	wz1000	So I wasn't able to finish off hie-lsif as planned. I'll get back into it tonight and hopefully I can show you something tomorrow.
2019-05-30 19:45:22	wz1000	But I have finished off the lsif types/encoding, and I can show you that
2019-05-30 19:45:31	wz1000	It might just be a bit too clever
2019-05-30 19:46:22	wz1000	https://gist.github.com/wz1000/92355cc4fa4aef669334f65fcd271c43
2019-05-30 19:50:14	mpickering	If it works then that's ok
2019-05-30 19:50:19	mpickering	more complicated than I would have gone for
2019-05-30 19:50:30	mpickering	I'm most worried about maintenance
2019-05-30 19:51:34	mpickering	So you want to have a proper chat tomorrow? I want to get an idea about what you'll work on next week
2019-05-30 19:51:57	wz1000	Yeah, ok
2019-05-30 19:52:21	wz1000	btw, do I have to do anything for the hiefile-header stuff?
2019-05-30 19:52:56	mpickering	No I am dealing with that
2019-05-30 19:53:09	mpickering	I am getting the other hie patch in first
2019-05-30 19:53:13	mpickering	and then will get your patch in
2019-05-30 19:53:15	wz1000	Thanks
2019-05-30 19:53:16	mpickering	hopefully by tomorrow
2019-05-30 19:55:41	wz1000	And the backport will be merged after that?
2019-05-30 19:56:30	mpickering	yes Ben is aware
2019-05-30 19:57:15	mpickering	The other hie patch will enter a batch tonight
2019-05-30 19:57:21	mpickering	so I will engineer that your patch enters the batch after that
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2019-05-31 01:16:28	zeta_0	hello guys, does hie have a built in repl? i searched online and all i found was intero?
2019-05-31 01:17:18	shapr	hi zeta_0 !
2019-05-31 01:18:04	zeta_0	shapr: hello, we meet again
2019-05-31 01:18:29	shapr	greetings!
2019-05-31 01:18:56	shapr	I haven't tried HIE in a year or so, but at that time it was specific to stack + intero
2019-05-31 01:19:02	shapr	that may have changed, I don't know
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2019-05-31 01:19:11	shapr	but golly it was cool to be able to refactor my Haskell code
2019-05-31 01:20:02	zeta_0	oh i am using nix + cabal, so i don't know
2019-05-31 01:20:25	fendor	no, hie does not a repl
2019-05-31 01:20:36	shapr	yeah, I used cabal new-* commands, haven't upgraded to nix yet
2019-05-31 01:20:51	fendor	theoretically, hie also works with cabal old-build-styles
2019-05-31 01:21:00	fendor	support for new-style is coming hopefully in summer
2019-05-31 01:21:07	fendor	no special support for nix so far
2019-05-31 01:21:20	fendor	to install hie with nix, take a look at all-hies
2019-05-31 01:21:42	fendor	a great library to install current head or stable versions of hie
2019-05-31 01:22:33	shapr	hm, I should try again
2019-05-31 01:23:01	fendor	zeta_0, why would you want a repl? you can use stack ghci, or cabal new-repl?
2019-05-31 01:24:05	zeta_0	fendor: when i tried to install hie with apt-get in debian i got hit with dependency hell, so i could not get it to work, but with nix in nixos it was easy, that all-hies is nice
2019-05-31 01:24:44	fendor	it totally is :) currently, binary distributions do not really work. You have to build it from source
2019-05-31 01:25:57	zeta_0	shapr: you should try nix or guile(haven't tried guile yet though), they are amazing
2019-05-31 01:26:43	dxld	zeta_0: s/guile/guix/ :)
2019-05-31 01:27:21	zeta_0	fendor: i am glad i switched to nix, it helped me keep my sanity, dependency hell is real
2019-05-31 01:27:30	shapr	fendor: I think it's about emacs integration with ghci?
2019-05-31 01:27:41	shapr	I love ghci in emacs, it's such a wonderful flow
2019-05-31 01:28:04	fendor	zeta_0, haskell or in general?
2019-05-31 01:28:05	shapr	except that it dies if I say yes to adding a new package to the cabal file >:-(
2019-05-31 01:28:41	fendor	shapr, ghci? i think cabal new-repl picks it up correctly
2019-05-31 01:28:42	zeta_0	so what is a simple way to get haskell repl to work in emacs?
2019-05-31 01:29:04	fendor	sorry, not an emacs user :( 
2019-05-31 01:29:44	 *	shapr digs into his emacs config
2019-05-31 01:30:11	shapr	zeta_0: you do use-package ?
2019-05-31 01:31:21	zeta_0	shapr: i haven't tried that method?
2019-05-31 01:34:05	zeta_0	fendor: nix has helped me especially with haskell but generally everything just works
2019-05-31 01:34:25	shapr	zeta_0: if you're not familiar with use-package, you probably want to read up on it before you use this: https://gist.github.com/shapr/d359a91c90419f5f5e99dfce338258e8
2019-05-31 01:34:57	fendor	yeah, most stuff just works, unfortunately, the experience with developer tools was far worse for me
2019-05-31 01:37:26	zeta_0	shapr: so basically i need to setup cabal-new-repl in .emacs?
2019-05-31 01:37:56	shapr	pretty much, yeah
2019-05-31 01:38:24	shapr	for me, C-c C-l fires up cabal new-repl for project that matches the file I'm editing
2019-05-31 01:40:15	zeta_0	shapr: thanks
2019-05-31 01:40:40	zeta_0	shapr: so have you tried nix yet?
2019-05-31 01:42:04	shapr	sort of, I failed to install it on this laptop
2019-05-31 01:42:04	zeta_0	fendor: what do you mean?
2019-05-31 01:42:27	shapr	because this laptop was so new it had UEFI weirdness that the graphical nix installed couldn't handle
2019-05-31 01:43:13	zeta_0	shapr: just the nix package manager or the whole nixos distribution?
2019-05-31 01:43:24	shapr	whole distro, I figured I'd just jump in
2019-05-31 01:45:18	zeta_0	shapr: yeah, it took me about 10 tries until i was finally able to install it, i understand pretty well now though
2019-05-31 01:45:31	shapr	well, I'd just gotten this laptop and I wanted to *use* it
2019-05-31 01:45:56	zeta_0	shapr: what's the laptop called?
2019-05-31 01:46:19	shapr	ThinkPad P52, I got it with 128gb ram, 6 Xeons, 4k screen
2019-05-31 01:46:55	zeta_0	i have never heard of that but it sounds good
2019-05-31 01:47:01	shapr	only a terabyte of fast NVMe, but I have two drive slots free for expansion
2019-05-31 01:47:09	zeta_0	nice
2019-05-31 01:47:18	shapr	zeta_0: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-p/ThinkPad-P52/p/22WS2WPWP52
2019-05-31 01:47:34	shapr	it compiles Haskell and Rust *really fast*
2019-05-31 01:48:00	shapr	but if you do a big compile and it's not plugged into the wall, you get fifty minutes of battery life at full speed
2019-05-31 01:48:06	shapr	so, downsides
2019-05-31 01:49:08	zeta_0	that's cool
2019-05-31 01:49:16	shapr	no! it will BURN YOU
2019-05-31 01:49:23	zeta_0	oh
2019-05-31 01:49:27	shapr	:-D
2019-05-31 01:49:36	shapr	I know, it burned my leg :-|
2019-05-31 01:50:09	shapr	I should try to install nixOS on another drive
2019-05-31 01:51:05	zeta_0	well there is guixsd(guile) as well i have not tried them, but they seem great
2019-05-31 01:52:04	zeta_0	i think they just put a graphical install, doing it from the command line can be a hassle sometimes
2019-05-31 01:52:15	zeta_0	terminal that is
2019-05-31 01:52:45	shapr	I don't mind the command line, my biggest problem was that nixOS didn't handle installation for me, I had to build a ... some kind of curly brace expression thingy, just to get UEFI to work
2019-05-31 01:53:58	zeta_0	i just followed the documentation, i did not have to anything like that
2019-05-31 01:54:16	shapr	did your system require UEFI?
2019-05-31 01:54:19	shapr	perhaps I should try again
2019-05-31 01:54:27	shapr	cause many of my friends use and LOVE nix
2019-05-31 01:56:36	michaelpj	yeah, having to write nix expressions is part of the deal
2019-05-31 01:56:48	michaelpj	I do think we could get a graphical nixos installer using calamares or something
2019-05-31 01:56:53	michaelpj	probably someone just has to do it
2019-05-31 02:00:02	zeta_0	yes, my laptop uses UEFI, you may have to change the some hardware settings but i simply cannot remember because it was months ago, on my laptop i press thefunction key f7 to access those settings
2019-05-31 02:01:45	zeta_0	f7 right after i turn on laptop
2019-05-31 02:03:27	alanz	zeta_0, I am late to this conversation. hie does not have a repl at the moment, and I regard that as a major shortcoming
2019-05-31 02:03:41	shapr	yay! the amazing alanz arrives!
2019-05-31 02:04:05	alanz	And something that should be addressed, after the hie-bios and .hie files stuff goes in
2019-05-31 02:04:09	alanz	hi shapr
2019-05-31 02:04:37	alanz	I am in a crazy place life wise at the moment, not able to pay as much attention to this stuff as I would like
2019-05-31 02:04:37	shapr	hi hi hi alanz! thanks for the many hours you spent helping me get HIE installed and working so I could give that talk many months ago!
2019-05-31 02:04:54	alanz	sure, I know it comes back tenfold from you
2019-05-31 02:04:59	shapr	are you able to delegate any of the HIE tasks?
2019-05-31 02:05:10	alanz	and I am always glad to help people
2019-05-31 02:05:43	alanz	shapr, there is now a very active community of devs around hie, I am always impressed by how it ticks along, even when I can't pay full attention
2019-05-31 02:06:14	alanz	It is becoming a focal point, which is what I always hoped would happen
2019-05-31 02:06:40	alanz	so people don't have to reinvent the wheel on all the stupid stuff, can dive straight into the particular thing they want to sort out
2019-05-31 02:07:21	alanz	And I am *really* looking forward to getting the conversational programming paradigm kickstarted on it, once the basics are properly stable
2019-05-31 02:07:41	mpickering	shapr: how much time do you have? 
2019-05-31 02:07:47	alanz	via the diagnostics, code action, change, repeat
2019-05-31 02:09:53	zeta_0	alanz: so is cabal-new-repl the easiest way to integrate ghci in emacs?
2019-05-31 02:10:27	alanz	I lost track of how to do it a long time ago, after inferior-haskell-mode rotted
2019-05-31 02:11:10	alanz	I currently either run an eterm then cabal new-repl (or stack repl), or just run it in its own gnome-terminal, separate to emacs
2019-05-31 02:11:48	alanz	And unfortunately my repl usage has plummeted, due to the nature of hie, where I tend to just hit "stack test"
2019-05-31 02:12:07	alanz	(for developing on hie that is)
2019-05-31 02:12:32	alanz	and I find that the hover gives me a lot of the info I would have asked for in a repl anyway, so it is not that bad
2019-05-31 02:14:01	alanz	michaelpj, I still intend playing with nix in combo with direnv, in a non-nixos system. Based on seeing things like https://jamey.thesharps.us/2019/05/29/per-project-postgres/
2019-05-31 02:14:53	michaelpj	yeah, I still need to look into direnv properly
2019-05-31 02:15:01	michaelpj	seems like you should be able to make things pretty nice that way
2019-05-31 02:15:58	alanz	yes, auto config in a given directory sound really powerful
2019-05-31 02:16:33	alanz	Someone recommended using it as a wrapper for the vscode plugin too, either to set the context for hie-wrapper or to replace it
2019-05-31 02:16:35	zeta_0	alanz: well right now i am using lsp with hie for haskell files(which is great) and open ghci in eshell, ghci in eshell works but has no autocompletion or anything, just very bare bones, when searching online i found intero but it seems like it will interfere with hie, shapre's method of integrating cabal-new-repl in .emacs seems like the best option so far?
2019-05-31 02:16:35	michaelpj	I'm also a little sceptical of all the people who stick nix-shell things in there, since IME there is a small but noticeable penalty to pretty much any nix-shell invocation (probably due to evaluating nixpkgs), which seems like it would get annoying
2019-05-31 02:17:15	alanz	makes sense. Its almost like you want to freeze/cache that stuff
2019-05-31 02:17:42	alanz	but if it is only for launching hie when vscode launches, it may be ok
2019-05-31 02:17:53	michaelpj	yeah, that seems fine
2019-05-31 02:18:16	alanz	zeta_0, I think shapr has a good grasp on this stuff, so would go with his suggestion
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2019-05-31 02:20:29	zeta_0	sounds good
2019-05-31 02:27:39	zeta_0	alanz: is there a way to set hie so that it automatically activates when opening a haskell file, i am tired of doing it manually?
2019-05-31 02:28:02	alanz	zeta_0, are you using emacs?
2019-05-31 02:28:09	alanz	and if so, are you using lsp-mode?
2019-05-31 02:28:30	alanz	because I use those two, and it does that
2019-05-31 02:28:51	alanz	Using this config https://gist.github.com/alanz/a95a35cfb7cdff7b4df63894a2d488d7
2019-05-31 02:29:02	zeta_0	alanz: yes and yes
2019-05-31 02:29:25	alanz	ok, it should just work then, if it is up to date
2019-05-31 02:29:48	zeta_0	alanz: from what line to what line?
2019-05-31 02:30:47	alanz	from 160 on
2019-05-31 02:30:59	alanz	to 209
2019-05-31 02:31:06	zeta_0	alanz: ok, thanks
2019-05-31 02:31:33	zeta_0	alanz: and do i need this because it is throwing an error? (add-hook 'haskell-mode-hook 'direnv-update-environment)
2019-05-31 02:34:13	alanz	I don't use that?
2019-05-31 02:35:52	zeta_0	alanz: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#troubleshooting
2019-05-31 02:38:26	alanz	zeta_0, no idea, I don't use that. Perhaps shapr can comment?
2019-05-31 02:39:02	zeta_0	shapr: ?
2019-05-31 02:41:29	zeta_0	well i guess that is just for troubleshooting so i don't think that i neet it
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2019-05-31 02:43:49	alanz	zeta_0, my config works
2019-05-31 02:43:58	alanz	(for me)
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2019-05-31 02:46:35	zeta_0	alanz: so i don't need any of the commented(;;) sections of hie in your .emacs config?
2019-05-31 02:47:21	alanz	nope
2019-05-31 02:48:04	alanz	There is a lot of other stuff in there too, not sure what you actually need. But the 160 to 209 stuff is what I use, and the stuff at the top just enables the package manager
2019-05-31 02:50:00	zeta_0	alanz: ok, i'll let you know if it works or not, thanks again for the help
2019-05-31 02:50:11	alanz	sure, good luck
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2019-05-31 02:59:03	zeta_0	alanz: is use-package worth installing and setting up?
2019-05-31 03:00:24	alanz	zeta_0, it works for me
2019-05-31 03:04:09	shapr	ooh ,what was I commenting on?
2019-05-31 03:04:12	 *	shapr reads backlog
2019-05-31 03:05:13	shapr	mpickering: I have the next ten weeks to write Haskell, but I was planning on rebuilding Fermat's Last Margin
2019-05-31 03:05:44	shapr	oh, I'm not using HIE at the moment
2019-05-31 03:08:17	mpickering	If you actually want a ten week project then the hie-bios branch needs to be finished hehe
2019-05-31 03:08:18	 *	alanz afk bed
2019-05-31 03:12:47	shapr	mpickering: I'm at recurse center for the next ten weeks, and my goal is to be qualified as "intermediate Haskellers" by the end, so I could maybe get another Haskell job, ten years after the last one.
2019-05-31 03:13:30	shapr	from one viewpoint, I have an immense amount of free time, from another, not much at all.
2019-05-31 03:13:58	mpickering	right, well this is a real world project on a big real world application 
2019-05-31 03:14:15	mpickering	and one which is non-trivial to finish off
2019-05-31 03:14:27	shapr	hmm
2019-05-31 03:15:12	mpickering	with a very high community pay off
2019-05-31 03:15:30	mpickering	with experts willing to give advice
2019-05-31 03:16:25	shapr	you are very persuasive
2019-05-31 03:18:26	mpickering	the hie-bios is the path to supporting any Haskell build system
2019-05-31 03:18:35	mpickering	I implemented it originally because I wanted to use HIE on ghc
2019-05-31 03:18:50	shapr	er, "on" ghc?
2019-05-31 03:18:52	shapr	what does that mean?
2019-05-31 03:18:59	shapr	mpickering: ok, hit me with your elevator pitch?
2019-05-31 03:19:10	mpickering	To use HIE whilst working on GHC
2019-05-31 03:19:38	mpickering	Which means you have to have a way to integrate a tool with GHC's build system 
2019-05-31 03:20:03	mpickering	ok, the premise of the hie-bios is to make the backend of haskell-ide-engine more abstract so that it isn't tied to ghc-mod
2019-05-31 03:20:51	mpickering	the central concept in haskell-ide-engine is a Ghc session and setting up a GHC session with the correct options has proved one of the more challenging aspects
2019-05-31 03:21:24	mpickering	So the main idea is to pass the responsibility to describing how to set up a GHC session to the build tools such as stack, cabal, hadrian, rules_haskell etc
2019-05-31 03:21:36	mpickering	The hie-bios queries the build tool for the flags which is would use to compile a module
2019-05-31 03:21:41	mpickering	and it creates a session based on that
2019-05-31 03:21:56	mpickering	that all works and is implemented
2019-05-31 03:22:18	mpickering	the challenge has been making h-i-e not depend on ghc-mod at all, as all the internals were based on ghc-mod
2019-05-31 03:22:36	mpickering	like, the internal monad was based on the ghc-mod monad
2019-05-31 03:22:54	mpickering	and now on the branch there is no dependency on ghc-mod either but it's come at the cost of some other features which have been stubbed out
2019-05-31 03:23:20	shapr	listed somewhere?
2019-05-31 03:23:29	mpickering	They could be..
2019-05-31 03:23:40	mpickering	The main challenge is integrating HaRe into this branch
2019-05-31 03:23:46	mpickering	which Alan has already done some work towards
2019-05-31 03:24:00	mpickering	because HaRe was also intimately tied to ghc-mod
2019-05-31 03:24:58	mpickering	the other challenge is about multiple component sessions which Daniel is working on this summer but that work could be divided up as well
2019-05-31 03:26:13	mpickering	The "build" module also needs to be abstracted but I didn't think about that yet
2019-05-31 03:27:20	shapr	how about I commit to spending a day next week digging into this and asking a flurry of questions?
2019-05-31 03:27:59	shapr	mpickering: sounds like you have very much context on this task is there some day next week where'd you have a chunk of spare time to answer questions while I dig through the codebase?
2019-05-31 03:29:03	mpickering	yeah sure. Any day works for me really. 
2019-05-31 03:29:16	mpickering	I don't have much time to clean anything up before then, I did a rebase yesterday though
2019-05-31 03:30:11	shapr	mpickering: when are you most active on IRC? UK mornings or evenings?
2019-05-31 03:30:18	mpickering	UK work hours
2019-05-31 03:30:39	shapr	spiffy
2019-05-31 03:32:02	shapr	ok, it's on my calendar for Tuesday
2019-05-31 03:32:30	shapr	nope, Monday
2019-05-31 03:33:19	shapr	could you recommend any background reading before then? just dig through hie-bios? are there any documents or tickets?
2019-05-31 03:36:00	mpickering	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/e132d5465f85e17b884086bc150a80c6233cfda8/hie-bios/README.md
2019-05-31 03:36:02	mpickering	definitely read this
2019-05-31 03:36:21	mpickering	then I'm sorry but there's not much else
2019-05-31 03:36:47	mpickering	the rest is the logical conclusion of removing the ghc-mod dependency and moving those parts into hie
2019-05-31 03:38:27	shapr	I don't think I have enough context to make those logical conclusions, but I'll see what I can figure out
2019-05-31 03:38:37	mpickering	if you have any advice about how to make this more palatable then let me know
2019-05-31 03:38:42	shapr	certainly!
2019-05-31 03:38:54	mpickering	I'll try and write a comment tomorrow which points out the different moving parts
2019-05-31 03:39:25	shapr	yes please
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2019-05-31 15:19:18	mpickering	wz1000: What time today do you want to chat?
2019-05-31 15:22:28	wz1000	mpickering: In about two hours?
2019-05-31 15:22:41	mpickering	ok 1pm GMT?
2019-05-31 15:22:46	mpickering	BST* I suppose
2019-05-31 15:22:51	mpickering	That in 2 hrs 8 minutes
2019-05-31 15:23:04	wz1000	OK
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2019-05-31 17:01:17	wz1000	mpickering: you there?
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2019-05-31 17:17:12	mpickering	here now wz1000 
2019-05-31 17:21:03	wz1000	Hi
2019-05-31 17:21:21	wz1000	Finally made the long promised PR
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2019-05-31 17:25:47	mpickering	thanks, do you want me to look at it now?
2019-05-31 17:25:57	mpickering	what examples have you tested it on
2019-05-31 17:25:59	wz1000	yeah, you can
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2019-05-31 17:26:36	wz1000	the lens you had in test/
2019-05-31 17:27:08	mpickering	ok, I think that's a good one as it uses a lot of haskell features
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2019-05-31 17:27:22	mpickering	could you go through the PR and leave some comments guiding me through?
2019-05-31 17:27:29	mpickering	and pointing out the important parts?
2019-05-31 17:29:16	wz1000	there's not much new logic really. I removed the Export/Import functions you didn't use.
2019-05-31 17:29:39	wz1000	LSIF.hs contains all the serialization stuff. There is one use of unsafeCoerce I'm pretty sure is safe
2019-05-31 17:29:54	mpickering	but the import/export stuff is part of the spec?
2019-05-31 17:30:01	wz1000	No, it was removed
2019-05-31 17:30:11	wz1000	I think it was replaced by Moniker
2019-05-31 17:30:14	wz1000	or something
2019-05-31 17:30:38	wz1000	https://github.com/microsoft/lsif-node/blob/master/protocol/src/protocol.ts#L383
2019-05-31 17:31:35	mpickering	ok so have you implemented import/export?
2019-05-31 17:31:37	wz1000	mpickering: also, resultSet doesn't have a `key` anymore. https://github.com/mpickering/hie-lsif/pull/1/files#diff-4d08dab97841ca46ab6c8f4c66c478ecR214
2019-05-31 17:31:38	wz1000	No
2019-05-31 17:32:20	mpickering	If the `LsifId` is not indexed by a type then how does the encoding make generation safer?
2019-05-31 17:33:18	wz1000	I think we can do that
2019-05-31 17:33:44	mpickering	I thought that was the main point of the types
2019-05-31 17:34:01	wz1000	The point of the encoding is mainly to not have to define a bunch of overlapping records and/or manual Aeson instances
2019-05-31 17:34:11	mpickering	ok
2019-05-31 17:34:31	wz1000	Now we have one big record that can represent everything
2019-05-31 17:34:45	wz1000	but typed lsifid seems like a good idea
2019-05-31 17:35:16	mpickering	I think this could do with some more comments
2019-05-31 17:35:32	mpickering	For example, I have no idea what the point of `Constr` or `Args` is 
2019-05-31 17:35:37	mpickering	and they are the first thing defined in the file
2019-05-31 17:35:40	mpickering	so it makes them hard to understand
2019-05-31 17:36:13	wz1000	You can mostly ignore those
2019-05-31 17:37:31	wz1000	Basically, the constructor for Element t for some concrete `t` has a type like LsifId -> SElementType -> Empty -> Empty -> Empty ... -> Text -> Empty
2019-05-31 17:37:58	wz1000	basically, for any given `t`, the constructor accepts a bunch of Unit types
2019-05-31 17:38:05	wz1000	Empty ~ Unit
2019-05-31 17:38:28	wz1000	And it is annoying to provide a billion unit arguments
2019-05-31 17:39:00	wz1000	So the point of Constr/Args is to automatically fill in the unit arguments, so you can deal with the important stuff
2019-05-31 17:40:21	mpickering	How difficult was something like the `Result` type family to implement?
2019-05-31 17:41:49	wz1000	what do you mean?
2019-05-31 17:42:11	mpickering	Was it straightforward to take the typescript  definition and translate it into this thing using type families?
2019-05-31 17:42:18	mpickering	was the logic difficult to encode using type families?
2019-05-31 17:42:34	wz1000	Yeah, its pretty straightforward
2019-05-31 17:43:23	mpickering	I have some comments put putting them in PR
2019-05-31 17:43:24	mpickering	one sec
2019-05-31 17:43:28	wz1000	I scanned through the spec, anytime there is something that "extends" Element or one of its subclasses, add that as a type parameter
2019-05-31 17:44:30	wz1000	and for each field, if it doesnt exist, add that field to Element
2019-05-31 17:44:43	mpickering	so this file is mostly aeson instances in the end
2019-05-31 17:44:48	wz1000	yes
2019-05-31 17:44:58	mpickering	do you intend to put these types into the main lsp-types package?
2019-05-31 17:45:18	wz1000	I think another package would be appropriate
2019-05-31 17:45:29	mpickering	ok, I'm happy to merge them in for now
2019-05-31 17:45:38	mpickering	as someone can just depend on hie-lsif if they want to use them for now
2019-05-31 17:45:39	wz1000	Because LSIF.hs takes a billion years to compile with devel2
2019-05-31 17:45:49	mpickering	oh?
2019-05-31 17:46:13	mpickering	what version of GHC do I have to use to compile this now?
2019-05-31 17:46:18	mpickering	Is it based on your fork?
2019-05-31 17:46:22	wz1000	And it fails with "Out of memory" with -O1
2019-05-31 17:46:51	mpickering	hmm this is a bit worrying
2019-05-31 17:47:07	mpickering	there's probably things we can do to make the type families reduce in the right way but I'm not sure what
2019-05-31 17:47:16	mpickering	Csongor is good at doing this stuff but I don't understand
2019-05-31 17:47:35	wz1000	mpickering: https://github.com/mpickering/hie-lsif/pull/1/files#diff-4d08dab97841ca46ab6c8f4c66c478ecR95
2019-05-31 17:48:01	wz1000	You need a version of ghc with hie_file_result which was added in my recent MR to ghc
2019-05-31 17:48:16	wz1000	If you remove hie_file_result, it should work with any ghc with hie files
2019-05-31 17:48:40	mpickering	ok so I can try on the 8.8 branch to see if it takes a reasonable amount of time to compile?
2019-05-31 17:48:58	wz1000	mpickering: I think typechecking is fast enough, its codegen that takes a long time
2019-05-31 17:49:14	mpickering	oh
2019-05-31 17:49:17	wz1000	Because it reports all warnings and errors pretty fast, but then takes a long time
2019-05-31 17:49:20	mpickering	perhaps you should split the module up
2019-05-31 17:49:25	mpickering	let me test it anyway
2019-05-31 17:52:34	wz1000	mpickering: just a warning: that PR puts -O0 in ghc-options in the cabal file
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2019-05-31 17:53:55	mpickering	It takes a while with 8.8 as well
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2019-05-31 17:54:21	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/hie-lsif/pull/1/files#diff-4d08dab97841ca46ab6c8f4c66c478ecL243
2019-05-31 17:54:59	mpickering	why did you replace `mkHoverEdge`?
2019-05-31 17:55:04	mpickering	It's like you inlined the definition
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2019-05-31 17:57:06	mpickering	I can reproduce this out of memory thing, I think it's a ghc bug
2019-05-31 17:57:13	wz1000	Oh, good point
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2019-05-31 17:57:40	wz1000	I updated the definition of mkHoverEdge after I did mkHover
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2019-05-31 17:58:07	wz1000	with the release branch?
2019-05-31 17:59:26	mpickering	yes 8.8 rc1
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2019-05-31 18:00:08	wz1000	Hmm, I thought it was because devel2 is unoptimised
2019-05-31 18:00:10	mpickering	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/1022
2019-05-31 18:00:21	mpickering	that probably makes it slow yes
2019-05-31 18:00:27	mpickering	I posted some comments on the PR
2019-05-31 18:00:34	mpickering	generally good I think
2019-05-31 18:00:46	mpickering	I am a bit worried about how complicated the LSIF file is
2019-05-31 18:01:00	mpickering	but I trust you about it because I have said how I think your approach is complicated many times already
2019-05-31 18:01:32	wz1000	Its honestly pretty easy to update and write
2019-05-31 18:02:01	wz1000	If they add a new kind of vertex tomorrow, the algorithm to add it is straighforward
2019-05-31 18:02:17	mpickering	can you write the process down in a comment then perhaps?
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2019-05-31 18:05:05	wz1000	ok
2019-05-31 18:06:56	mpickering	have you heard any more news about LSIF files or ways to use them yet?
2019-05-31 18:07:17	mpickering	would we be able to add the lsif validator to run during CI as well?
2019-05-31 18:08:29	wz1000	It should be doable
2019-05-31 18:14:58	mpickering	I would also like it if you generated LSIF files for GHC
2019-05-31 18:15:08	mpickering	just so you know how to do that as well and run them through the validator too
2019-05-31 18:15:14	mpickering	it's straightforward
2019-05-31 18:27:30	wz1000	mpickering: https://github.com/mpickering/hie-lsif/pull/1/files#diff-9f330a1e6adcb1633d7675cd49cbc896R131
2019-05-31 18:30:01	mpickering	Here's what you have to add to UserSettings.hs to generate hie files for GHC. https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ZyvaBB5p/
2019-05-31 18:33:47	wz1000	thanks
2019-05-31 18:33:49	wz1000	gtg now
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2019-05-31 19:13:40	alanz	this is the new world reality https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1275
2019-05-31 19:13:42	alanz	wtf
2019-05-31 19:14:16	alanz	time for resilient mirroring etc. Perhaps pantry will help, with new stack
2019-05-31 19:23:25	fendor	i thought, hackage is mirrored...
2019-05-31 19:26:11	alanz	well, depends what the actual problem is, I guess
2019-05-31 19:34:46	fendor	it probably is not hie related at least
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2019-05-31 22:12:52	wz1000	mpickering: try to write a ToJSON instance for X such that the derived instance for data T = T { foo :: X } doesn't return the field "foo" 
2019-05-31 22:13:00	wz1000	I'm pretty sure its not possible
2019-05-31 22:17:00	mpickering	Ah I see
2019-05-31 22:17:10	mpickering	But there is some special behaviour for maybe? 
2019-05-31 22:20:04	wz1000	Yes, aeson has an option `omitNothingFields :: Bool`
2019-05-31 22:20:26	mpickering	OK that makes sense then
2019-05-31 22:20:37	mpickering	I didn't understand that
2019-05-31 22:24:39	wz1000	mpickering: did you see the mail from Arjun? Just in time...
2019-05-31 22:25:22	wz1000	btw, we should accept the root directory as an argument, and default to the cwd
2019-05-31 23:11:04	mpickering	Ok
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2019-06-01 02:54:47	wz1000	mpickering: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/73b189b1de60625576faeca88c4cca43
2019-06-01 02:56:31	wz1000	Oh, nice, binding the kind variable with @k actually works
2019-06-01 02:59:19	mpickering	glad you fixed your problem
2019-06-01 03:01:01	wz1000	mpickering: Is Arjun asking us for non-haskell repos, or is he asking us about our progress on hie-lsif?
2019-06-01 03:01:11	wz1000	Because I interpreted it as the latter
2019-06-01 03:03:11	wz1000	I have no non-haskell repos either
2019-06-01 03:03:15	wz1000	Maybe vscode-hie-server
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2019-06-01 03:42:18	mpickering	I think he wanted non-haskell repos
2019-06-01 03:42:32	mpickering	I don't think he is interested in adding Haskell support just yet
2019-06-01 03:42:41	mpickering	Especially given 8.8 is not out
2019-06-01 03:49:33	mpickering	vscode-hie-extension would work?
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2019-06-01 12:56:22	alanz	dxld, ping
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2019-06-01 14:49:59	alanz	0.10 changelog needs some checking, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1281
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2019-06-01 17:41:29	fendor	alanz, ping for https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/pull/20
2019-06-01 17:43:17	alanz	fendor, will take a look. Is it CPP protected to work with recent GHC only?
2019-06-01 17:43:40	alanz	yes it is, nvm
2019-06-01 17:43:45	fendor	yes it is :)
2019-06-01 17:44:34	alanz	does it work? because it looks good to me
2019-06-01 17:45:38	fendor	it worked for me
2019-06-01 17:45:52	fendor	plugins were correctly loaded
2019-06-01 17:45:57	fendor	in the source file as well as cabal file
2019-06-01 17:46:18	fendor	however, error messages are shown in the logs, but not in hie
2019-06-01 17:47:54	alanz	ok, is that because they go to stderr?
2019-06-01 17:48:29	alanz	ghc-mod goes to a lot of trouble to get the errors to come out, but I think that is managed via GhcMonad
2019-06-01 17:49:23	alanz	perhaps see how that is done, since you are operating in GHC.Hsc, not GhcMonad
2019-06-01 17:51:42	fendor	i know where it happens
2019-06-01 17:52:43	fendor	in Target.hs:584
2019-06-01 17:58:38	alanz	fendor, yes, but that only works because the right handlers are set up for the GhcMonad
2019-06-01 17:58:55	alanz	(I think)
2019-06-01 17:59:48	fendor	i dont know, however, loading plugins in that function did not work in general
2019-06-01 17:59:52	alanz	See https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/latest/docs/html/libraries/ghc-8.6.5/GHC.html
2019-06-01 18:00:17	alanz	as in the errors do not show up cleanly anyway?
2019-06-01 18:00:22	alanz	Perhaps ask on #ghc
2019-06-01 18:02:10	fendor	i asked in ghc, mpickering worked on it, and said, on hie-bios branch most of it has been rewritten already
2019-06-01 18:04:07	alanz	well, who wants this feature?
2019-06-01 18:04:35	alanz	worst case we put it in as it is, with a note that errors will be missed
2019-06-01 18:04:55	alanz	and if that becomes an issue, and we have not moved to hie-bios, we decide what to do
2019-06-01 18:07:44	fendor	what feature exactly?
2019-06-01 18:09:21	fendor	I dont fully understand
2019-06-01 18:15:32	alanz	your PR, to load the plugins
2019-06-01 18:16:02	alanz	but if you say it doesn't actually work, then it is a bit pointless
2019-06-01 18:16:07	fendor	it does work
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2019-06-01 18:16:47	alanz	ok, then maybe we should just merge it, and see if anyone complains about the missing errors. What kinds of errors do we miss? not being able to load the plugin at all?
2019-06-01 18:16:57	reactormonk	I was wondering if haskell ide uses the GlobalRdrEnv for its completion or different information.
2019-06-01 18:17:12	fendor	the load target function is not aware about the loaded plugins and shows an error in the logs, but remains responsive and does not show the error in the editor
2019-06-01 18:17:36	fendor	the same errors that happens when the plugins are not loaded at all.
2019-06-01 18:17:44	alanz	fendor, ok, then I can't help
2019-06-01 18:18:08	alanz	in the sense that I have never used plugins, this stuff is in a state of flux, and my time is limited
2019-06-01 18:18:15	alanz	unfortunately
2019-06-01 18:18:20	fendor	i dont think it needs help
2019-06-01 18:18:31	fendor	imo this is fine, I just mention it
2019-06-01 18:18:59	alanz	ok, so you think that merging that PR could be useful then
2019-06-01 18:19:21	fendor	yes, absolutely
2019-06-01 18:19:41	fendor	I would like to write a test for it and make it available in the june release
2019-06-01 18:20:12	fendor	so, not this release, but the next
2019-06-01 18:21:49	alanz	ok
2019-06-01 18:22:03	alanz	and agree on not merging it now
2019-06-01 18:22:28	fendor	yes, merge after the release
2019-06-01 18:22:32	alanz	And I think I want to see the feedback from users on the infix completion too, so will merge it post release
2019-06-01 18:22:47	alanz	And I think I agree that there should not be placeholders for that
2019-06-01 18:23:18	alanz	reactormonk, I am not sure, tbh. Best to look at the code
2019-06-01 18:23:55	alanz	I know there is a problem with it, in that it keeps the definition location, but does not track the use location
2019-06-01 18:25:01	fendor	alanz, thats great! you wanted more tests though, right? more than just these 4?
2019-06-01 18:25:58	alanz	well, the additional tests would be to show the placeholder interaction
2019-06-01 18:26:09	alanz	but if there is none, then they are not required
2019-06-01 18:26:20	fendor	yeah, tehre are no placeholders
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2019-06-01 18:30:09	fendor	I want to do an overhaul of the completion system, is that something that may be useful or do we require manpower somewhere else more urgently?
2019-06-01 18:36:20	alanz	fendor, I think it is a good thing to do, it is fundamental to the experience, and so has a huge payoff if improved
2019-06-01 18:36:31	alanz	plus your head is firmly around it at the moment
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2019-06-01 18:36:53	alanz	The more context we can deal with, to get really focused completions, the better
2019-06-01 18:55:24	fendor	yeah, i want the completions to be aware of special sytnax, such as instance declarations. I got a bunch of colleagues to use hie for university, but the completions are a constant pain. e.g. when you write "where" it almost always auto completes something that nobody wants 
2019-06-01 18:55:42	fendor	especially annoying when you want to do a newline immediately afterwards hitting the completions in the process
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2019-06-01 19:16:48	alanz	fendor, agree, so definitely worth doing
2019-06-01 19:17:05	fendor	great! will be my june project
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2019-06-01 19:23:44	dxld	alanz: pong, what's up?
2019-06-01 19:27:24	alanz	dxld, Just touching base, when would be a good time to talk about how things are going? or can you point at something I should be looking at?
2019-06-01 19:27:47	alanz	I know you have a plan and are going on, so this is just a how are things call
2019-06-01 19:28:45	alanz	and FYI I am turning to my proof of concept gutted ghc-mod-core thing to bring in cabal-helper, so I can run the HaRe tests
2019-06-01 19:28:55	alanz	and as a precursor to the hie-bios stuff too
2019-06-01 19:33:08	dxld	atm my plan is to see if I can write a new profiling mode to make it much easier to debug GHC's memory usage
2019-06-01 19:35:48	dxld	if that doesn't produce any encouraging results I'll probably switch to doing cabal-helper/HIE stuff instead
2019-06-01 19:36:10	dxld	my plan for multiple-component support has changed a bit since the proposal
2019-06-01 19:36:54	dxld	I've discarded the idea of doing it in-process so now we're going to need a dispatcher that distributes requests to the right component's HIE process
2019-06-01 19:38:10	alanz	well, from my perspective, getting the c-h/hie stuff is the important goal.
2019-06-01 19:38:35	alanz	And going down a separate process rabbit hole for multiple sessions sounds like a step too far, right now
2019-06-01 19:38:43	alanz	(gut feel)
2019-06-01 19:38:49	dxld	and from my perspective I want to be a force multiplier, i.e. making it easier on the GHC side to be more effective on the HIE side :)
2019-06-01 19:39:12	alanz	agree, but this is a GSOC, want visible impact by the end
2019-06-01 19:39:17	dxld	we can certainly negotiate that bit
2019-06-01 19:39:25	dxld	I'm not married to having to have multi-comp right now
2019-06-01 19:39:38	alanz	we have things we know can do that, and other things that can contribute, but not necessarily get impact this season
2019-06-01 19:39:42	dxld	it's just I had it in the proposal so I figure I should do it one way or the other
2019-06-01 19:40:32	dxld	but feel free to convince mpickering that I shouldn't be doing that
2019-06-01 19:41:48	alanz	ok, I dont want to cut across anything you have agreed with him
2019-06-01 19:42:17	alanz	To me it is just about managing the available time and expectations, so we do actually get something concretely useful by the end
2019-06-01 19:42:31	alanz	and if that includes being able to have hie on hackage, I will be delighted
2019-06-01 19:42:41	dxld	it wasn't really agreed on so much as "just in the proposal"
2019-06-01 19:43:01	dxld	so if you feel strongly I should be doing something else that's ok
2019-06-01 19:43:10	dxld	you have more HIE perspective than either of us anyways
2019-06-01 19:43:17	alanz	ok. Which I understand as preliminary exploration based on an understanding of how it could work
2019-06-01 19:43:40	dxld	I doubt we're going to get anything on hackage in time
2019-06-01 19:43:48	dxld	first we have to wait for the 8.10 release
2019-06-01 19:44:06	alanz	My main concern is that you have a whole lot of good knowledge baked into ghc-mod(-core) and cabal helper, and hie-bios is picking up steam
2019-06-01 19:44:20	alanz	And I want your hands on that process, as much as possible
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2019-06-01 19:44:31	alanz	And being on hackage is an aspirational goal
2019-06-01 19:44:44	alanz	we will probably still be discussing it in three years time :(
2019-06-01 19:44:47	dxld	I guess we can release a version that only supports a pre-release GHC :)
2019-06-01 19:44:56	dxld	noooo
2019-06-01 19:45:02	dxld	we're well on our way
2019-06-01 19:45:14	dxld	it's just a matter of letting things trickle though the release process
2019-06-01 19:45:21	alanz	Well, that is my point, sort of. The ghc stuff needs to happen, but realistically will only impact once 8.10 gets out
2019-06-01 19:45:34	alanz	We have high impact stuff that we can do now, to affect all
2019-06-01 19:45:50	alanz	in particular, getting proper new-build support in place
2019-06-01 19:46:12	 *	alanz re-opening the proposal
2019-06-01 19:46:19	dxld	hmm I suppose we could ask ben to backport this stuff to 8.8..
2019-06-01 19:46:23	dxld	that's still not out anyways
2019-06-01 19:46:33	dxld	now that it's passed review and is merged on master
2019-06-01 19:46:42	dxld	should be fairly uncontroversial
2019-06-01 19:47:13	alanz	ok, worth doing
2019-06-01 19:47:26	dxld	hadn't thought of that actually, good you mention it
2019-06-01 19:47:55	alanz	and you are currently doing the 2/2.1/2.2 stuff
2019-06-01 19:48:01	alanz	so on track
2019-06-01 19:48:49	dxld	well not exactly
2019-06-01 19:49:08	dxld	in spirit yes but in significantly modified form
2019-06-01 19:49:24	alanz	yes, no plan survives contact with reality
2019-06-01 19:49:29	dxld	but I think I'll fast track getting 1. backported to 8.8
2019-06-01 19:49:38	alanz	good
2019-06-01 19:49:46	dxld	shouldn't take very long
2019-06-01 19:49:56	alanz	the sooner we have any of this stuff "in the wild" the better
2019-06-01 19:49:59	dxld	(famous last words)
2019-06-01 19:50:35	alanz	indeed. Along with "how hard could this be"
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2019-06-01 21:22:28	dxld	alanz: phew, survived the rebase. just 5 failing tests too
2019-06-01 21:22:40	alanz	nice
2019-06-01 21:22:53	alanz	onto ghc-8.8?
2019-06-01 21:22:57	dxld	mhm
2019-06-01 21:23:14	alanz	does bgamari know?
2019-06-01 21:23:24	dxld	in the process I noticed that I introduced a stupid typo in one of my commits
2019-06-01 21:23:44	dxld	so now the intermediate ones on the master branch don't build :/
2019-06-01 21:24:10	dxld	I'll ping him as soon as I push this
2019-06-01 21:24:22	alanz	thats a pain. I had it with one of my stacked PRs too
2019-06-01 21:24:23	dxld	just checking of the tests that fail are my fault or not
2019-06-01 21:24:36	alanz	you rebase and accidentally break something in the middle
2019-06-01 21:24:44	dxld	I wish I could make a git-note with a patch for if anyone ever tries to rebase this :)
2019-06-01 21:24:50	dxld	s/rebase/bisect/
2019-06-01 21:25:01	alanz	yes
2019-06-01 21:25:03	dxld	usually I have a script that just builds every single commit
2019-06-01 21:25:22	alanz	there is an argument to squash it down to a single commit, and rebase that
2019-06-01 21:25:35	alanz	which definitely helps with bisect
2019-06-01 21:25:36	dxld	for c-h for example I built one because the wip branch was usually enormous
2019-06-01 21:25:42	dxld	no
2019-06-01 21:25:56	dxld	because then this rebase would have been a huge hairball :)
2019-06-01 21:26:10	alanz	ok, I have not looked at the MR in detail
2019-06-01 21:26:11	dxld	you just need tooling to keep all the commits green
2019-06-01 21:26:39	alanz	which just adds massively to the CI hardware requirements
2019-06-01 21:26:48	dxld	like I'd like just some kind of local CI system that builds the series this in the background and yells at me if I broke a commit
2019-06-01 21:27:00	dxld	but something that doesn't block me from keeping on developing
2019-06-01 21:27:06	dxld	then this would totally be fine
2019-06-01 21:27:15	alanz	yes. So long as their is a simple, sensible way to recover from that
2019-06-01 21:27:17	dxld	I'd do it locally
2019-06-01 21:27:20	dxld	it doesn't have to be fast
2019-06-01 21:27:28	dxld	just has to pass before you get the PR merged
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2019-06-01 21:27:35	alanz	which does not require rebasing from way back
2019-06-01 21:27:40	dxld	i.e. you don't even have to wait for it to submit the PR
2019-06-01 21:27:57	alanz	especially as I hate rebasing as a concept, because of the collateral damage
2019-06-01 21:28:01	dxld	as long as it's an unmerged branch it's always easy
2019-06-01 21:28:05	dxld	just commit --fixup
2019-06-01 21:28:42	dxld	ok, I'm getting the same 5 failures on ghc-8.8, so not my fault
2019-06-01 21:30:35	alanz	great
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2019-06-01 21:43:43	dxld	alanz: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/1089
2019-06-01 21:44:00	 *	alanz looking
2019-06-01 21:47:06	alanz	If it is already landed in master, should be uncontroversial
2019-06-01 21:47:32	dxld	think so too
2019-06-01 21:47:35	alanz	bar the timing, a1 already out, very late in the release process
2019-06-01 21:47:41	dxld	is it?
2019-06-01 21:47:44	alanz	But I hope we can twist some arms
2019-06-01 21:47:45	dxld	hmm
2019-06-01 21:48:01	dxld	well I sure hope it doesn't turn out I need more stuff when I start integrating this :)
2019-06-01 21:48:13	alanz	well, every bit helps
2019-06-01 21:48:34	dxld	though we could probably sneak that into .2
2019-06-01 21:48:42	dxld	I don't think API wise we need anything new
2019-06-01 21:48:47	dxld	just fixes maybe
2019-06-01 21:50:40	alanz	well, lets push for what we can get, and use it as much as we can
2019-06-01 21:51:23	alanz	This stuff is more likely to be acceptable, as it affects a much smaller community of people, who are all generally happy to accomodate it
2019-06-01 21:52:01	dxld	well GhcMake affects everybody I'd say ;)
2019-06-01 21:52:12	dxld	so I sure hope I didn't fuck it up
2019-06-01 21:55:00	alanz	true, but that should show up pretty quickly. Hopefully.
2019-06-01 21:55:20	dxld	I don't really think I broke anything
2019-06-01 21:55:28	dxld	if I did it's the test coverage's fault :p
2019-06-01 21:56:00	alanz	just asked directly on #ghc, lets see what happens
2019-06-01 21:56:24	alanz	as an open ended question
2019-06-01 21:57:19	alanz	dxld, in other news, I am hitting a cabal file mismatch for uCabalFile = CabalFile "/home/alanz/mysrc/github/alanz/HaRe/test/testdata/./testdata.cabal"
2019-06-01 21:57:35	alanz	Which tells me the path should be normalised, canonicalised
2019-06-01 21:57:46	alanz	and I suspect in cabal-helper
2019-06-01 21:58:36	dxld	alanz: why is that a problem?
2019-06-01 21:59:11	alanz	I am trying to match a file I am loading to a unit, and the match code wants the cabal file to match
2019-06-01 21:59:22	alanz	I think. Just starting to look at it
2019-06-01 21:59:41	dxld	hmm
2019-06-01 21:59:48	dxld	just normalise it during comparison then
2019-06-01 21:59:58	dxld	but really that is a sucky way to do it
2019-06-01 21:59:59	alanz	and it is old code, from CabalHelper in ghc-mod-core
2019-06-01 22:00:10	alanz	Which I inherited from you ....
2019-06-01 22:00:13	dxld	path comparison is quite a hard problem without the kernel
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2019-06-01 22:00:41	dxld	hmm point me to the code and I'll have a look
2019-06-01 22:00:55	alanz	      filterUnit u
2019-06-01 22:00:55	alanz	        | Just ccf <- cabalFile
2019-06-01 22:00:55	alanz	        , CabalFile ucf <- uCabalFile u = ucf == ccf
2019-06-01 22:00:55	alanz	        | otherwise = True
2019-06-01 22:01:04	alanz	Let me give you a link, hold on
2019-06-01 22:01:07	dxld	yeah
2019-06-01 22:01:27	dxld	I don't know what branch of a fork of a fork of a hacked up version of my code you guys are using these days :P
2019-06-01 22:02:26	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/blob/new-cabal-helper-az-201905/core/GhcMod/CabalHelper.hs#L269-L280
2019-06-01 22:02:28	dxld	there probably isn't a good reason cabal-helper mangling the path like that though
2019-06-01 22:02:36	dxld	so just fixing that up shouldnt' be too hard
2019-06-01 22:02:45	alanz	I am getting the error thrown from the end of that function, and investigating
2019-06-01 22:03:19	dxld	that's not my code
2019-06-01 22:03:20	alanz	And tbh I am just starting on this, it is probably something obvious, and/or something no longer required with the new c-h
2019-06-01 22:03:29	dxld	do a git blame and you'll see
2019-06-01 22:03:49	alanz	hmm, bubba
2019-06-01 22:03:51	dxld	sorry but I don't support foreign code
2019-06-01 22:03:58	alanz	No problem.
2019-06-01 22:04:04	dxld	but really just track it down in c-h, shouldn't be too hard
2019-06-01 22:04:13	dxld	I can help with that at least :)
2019-06-01 22:04:24	alanz	As I said, I have just come across this, have not actually started looking yet
2019-06-01 22:04:40	dxld	yeah, no, it's fine
2019-06-01 22:04:54	alanz	and my intention is to rip out most of ghc-mod-core, and base whats left on the GhcSession test for cabal-helper wip/new-build
2019-06-01 22:05:07	dxld	uuh don't do that
2019-06-01 22:05:11	dxld	that's a really bad example
2019-06-01 22:05:49	alanz	ok. One question, which component is responsible for caching, in the sense of detecting changes in state requireing a reconfig or session renew?
2019-06-01 22:05:54	dxld	especially the ProjSetup stuff is way more complicated than it needs to be for a normal API client
2019-06-01 22:06:02	alanz	ok
2019-06-01 22:06:28	dxld	there's two functions
2019-06-01 22:06:33	dxld	one for each cache level
2019-06-01 22:06:50	dxld	checkAndUpdateProjInfo and checkAndUpdateUnitInfo
2019-06-01 22:06:59	dxld	(don't quote me on the exact name)
2019-06-01 22:07:01	alanz	ok, but in cabal-helper?
2019-06-01 22:07:11	dxld	oh you were talking about ghc-mod
2019-06-01 22:07:16	alanz	so I can rip all of that stuff out of my abused ghc-mod-core branch
2019-06-01 22:07:33	alanz	I am talking about your vision for cabal-helper going forward
2019-06-01 22:07:42	dxld	ther's a "cached" function that should be used whenever the cache is involved
2019-06-01 22:07:55	dxld	well now I'm just confused
2019-06-01 22:08:02	alanz	Let me rewind
2019-06-01 22:08:35	alanz	I understand that you have made a major rework of c-h, with the intention of discarding ghc-mod, and having a new/different driver for it
2019-06-01 22:09:16	alanz	And I have an idea that you intend pushing the up-to-date/reconfigure/new-session detection logic into c-h
2019-06-01 22:09:32	alanz	And that as a result of that, caching will also happen in c-h
2019-06-01 22:09:39	alanz	Am I completely off-base?
2019-06-01 22:09:45	dxld	not entirely
2019-06-01 22:09:56	dxld	the thing is this caching stuff is really multi level
2019-06-01 22:10:01	dxld	c-h has one of the caches yes
2019-06-01 22:10:11	dxld	but there's more going on than just that
2019-06-01 22:10:13	alanz	the config-changed one?
2019-06-01 22:10:22	dxld	basically yeah
2019-06-01 22:10:38	dxld	in ghc-mod the last level cache was if any ghc flags changed at all
2019-06-01 22:10:49	dxld	remember that DynFlagsTH stuff? (*shudder*)
2019-06-01 22:10:50	alanz	which flushed the session
2019-06-01 22:10:54	dxld	yeah
2019-06-01 22:10:55	alanz	yes
2019-06-01 22:11:03	alanz	and that will still be needed?
2019-06-01 22:11:10	dxld	and between those two there's some modgraph caching in HomeModuleGraph
2019-06-01 22:11:20	dxld	I'm not sure!
2019-06-01 22:11:29	dxld	but I think GHC should be able to do that
2019-06-01 22:11:31	alanz	which in my mind is a byproduct of config changing
2019-06-01 22:11:49	alanz	since the modgraph can only change if the cabal file changes
2019-06-01 22:11:55	dxld	the proper solution is segregating GHC sessions per component
2019-06-01 22:11:56	alanz	as I understand it, anyway
2019-06-01 22:12:02	alanz	agree
2019-06-01 22:12:12	dxld	then ghc doesn't get confused when stuff changes and we can just trust it's recomp logic
2019-06-01 22:12:29	dxld	this hodgepodge of flags checking was just a workaround in ghc-mod really
2019-06-01 22:12:30	alanz	yes, which has been fine-tuned over years
2019-06-01 22:13:01	dxld	anyways the HomeModuleGraph caching, well the equivalent with the new GHC api we're still going to have
2019-06-01 22:13:09	dxld	and ghc has a bunch of other caches related to that
2019-06-01 22:13:15	dxld	Finder cache, ModSummary cache
2019-06-01 22:13:17	dxld	what have you
2019-06-01 22:13:34	alanz	so that is the point of the MR you just made
2019-06-01 22:13:53	dxld	replacing HMG and --map-file, yes
2019-06-01 22:13:57	alanz	but that just lets you request a modulgraph for a component via depanal
2019-06-01 22:14:10	dxld	yeah
2019-06-01 22:14:13	dxld	and that's all I need
2019-06-01 22:14:29	alanz	But storing it, and tying it back to the cabal file, and managing freshness wrt to regenerating if the cabal file changes
2019-06-01 22:14:39	dxld	c-h does that
2019-06-01 22:14:47	alanz	That is how I understand it
2019-06-01 22:15:05	dxld	we basically have two choices on how to handle invalidation in the interface between c-h and hie
2019-06-01 22:15:12	alanz	So my interim ghc-mod-core should be able to rely on c-h to manage that process
2019-06-01 22:15:22	dxld	1) Dirty bit or 2) Compare the UnitInfo we get from c-h
2019-06-01 22:15:45	alanz	1) being based on inotify of the cabal file?
2019-06-01 22:16:00	dxld	nah just the mod-time
2019-06-01 22:16:17	dxld	but I'd like to make everything compatible with an event notification approach
2019-06-01 22:16:23	dxld	would be much more efficient
2019-06-01 22:16:28	dxld	but that's for the future
2019-06-01 22:16:32	alanz	and if it changes, you have to do 2 anyway
2019-06-01 22:16:38	alanz	so may as well delegate it there
2019-06-01 22:16:43	dxld	well not necessarily
2019-06-01 22:16:47	alanz	btw, talking on #ghc now, take a look
2019-06-01 22:16:57	dxld	we could just redo all the stuff that builds on the UnitInfo
2019-06-01 22:17:04	dxld	that's approach (1)
2019-06-01 22:17:13	dxld	don't save the old UnitInfo, just recompute
2019-06-01 22:17:19	dxld	and let the next layer handle invalidation
2019-06-01 22:17:28	dxld	i.e ghc's recomp checker
2019-06-01 22:17:52	dxld	the ModSummary cache would be a problem too but I think we should be able to control the problemss with that part
2019-06-01 22:18:06	alanz	ok, but I am keen on something that is effective/efficient with GHC 8.6, 8.4, 8.2
2019-06-01 22:18:15	alanz	in the interim
2019-06-01 22:18:58	dxld	ah
2019-06-01 22:18:59	dxld	right
2019-06-01 22:19:01	dxld	hmm
2019-06-01 22:19:29	dxld	well then the easiest solution is just stay with (2) which is what ghc-mod does now IIRC
2019-06-01 22:19:56	dxld	I mean it doesn't diff the UnitInfo but HMG has extensive update minimization logic
2019-06-01 22:20:21	alanz	ok
2019-06-01 22:20:32	dxld	hmm actually I don't remember the details, let me have a look real quick
2019-06-01 22:20:36	alanz	the HMG in ghc-mod now, or in c-h
2019-06-01 22:20:39	alanz	thanks
2019-06-01 22:20:48	dxld	c-h doesn't have a HMG
2019-06-01 22:21:03	dxld	the new HMG would just be ghc's depanal with my patches
2019-06-01 22:22:06	alanz	ok, so I can keep the infrastructure in ghc-mod for now
2019-06-01 22:22:15	alanz	for legacy purposes
2019-06-01 22:22:17	dxld	I think so
2019-06-01 22:22:21	alanz	great
2019-06-01 22:22:32	dxld	I mean it might need tweeks for new-build but other than that..
2019-06-01 22:22:45	alanz	I didn't want to repeat stuff, or do things in ghc-mod that belong in c-h
2019-06-01 22:22:51	dxld	you might want to replace that World stuff though
2019-06-01 22:22:56	dxld	which is what I'm looking at
2019-06-01 22:23:03	alanz	ok
2019-06-01 22:23:11	dxld	well I mean they do belong somewhere else
2019-06-01 22:23:16	dxld	but for legacy, whatever ;)
2019-06-01 22:23:47	alanz	my goal right now is to get the c-h/ghc-mod-core/hie-plugin-api stuff working well enough to run the HaRe tests
2019-06-01 22:23:57	alanz	which gives a baseline for the hie-bios stuff
2019-06-01 22:24:10	dxld	actually
2019-06-01 22:24:18	dxld	you can rip out the entire caching logic
2019-06-01 22:24:24	dxld	you don't need it
2019-06-01 22:24:28	dxld	that was for single-shot mode
2019-06-01 22:24:35	dxld	(Vim and all that)
2019-06-01 22:24:44	alanz	that is what I understood from prior discussions with you on this stuff
2019-06-01 22:24:51	dxld	so you can just recompute everything always and will still be good on performance
2019-06-01 22:25:12	dxld	so yeah, just take what c-h-1.0 gives you and run it through the layers
2019-06-01 22:25:19	dxld	and just nop out all the invalidation logic
2019-06-01 22:25:27	alanz	ok
2019-06-01 22:25:29	dxld	there are some bits where "Updated Modules" are passed in
2019-06-01 22:25:38	dxld	that would be a bit more tricky to just remove
2019-06-01 22:25:47	alanz	ok, makes sense
2019-06-01 22:25:48	dxld	you can just pass in a list of all modules though ;)
2019-06-01 22:26:04	dxld	but really I would just remove the associated diffing logic
2019-06-01 22:26:13	alanz	my idea is to just get it working, however horrible it looks, to see how the whole pipeline hangs together
2019-06-01 22:26:14	dxld	should be a pretty easy refactor
2019-06-01 22:26:18	alanz	and then clean it up
2019-06-01 22:26:39	alanz	Always easier to tidy up when you know you have all the parts you need, so everything else can be discarded
2019-06-01 22:26:48	dxld	well I'd just get rid of as many caching layers as possible so it stays managable for the time being
2019-06-01 22:27:11	alanz	of course. But make it work is the first step
2019-06-01 22:27:16	alanz	then make it elegant 
2019-06-01 22:27:19	alanz	then make it fast
2019-06-01 22:27:33	dxld	it's not about elegant
2019-06-01 22:27:49	dxld	my point is it might be harder to get at the list of all modules than just removing the associated logic
2019-06-01 22:27:51	alanz	this nitty gritty stuff does tend to defy elegant
2019-06-01 22:27:53	dxld	but you'll see I guess
2019-06-01 22:28:26	dxld	withCabal, where the `cabal configure` call happens you can definetly get rid of
2019-06-01 22:28:27	alanz	yes, I will do the least changes until I get what I want out of it. Then look at what kind of mess I have, and try to clean it up
2019-06-01 22:28:33	alanz	ok
2019-06-01 22:28:34	dxld	all this reconfigure stuff is now done by c-h
2019-06-01 22:28:39	alanz	great
2019-06-01 22:28:58	dxld	I haven't implemented the stack parts
2019-06-01 22:29:07	dxld	but that shouldn't be hard
2019-06-01 22:29:21	dxld	just need to fill out the "actually reconfigure" function
2019-06-01 22:29:26	alanz	well, I was about to say I can run the HaRe tests in my current work branch in stack mode, and they all pass
2019-06-01 22:29:43	alanz	with your current c-h wip/new-build branch
2019-06-01 22:29:46	dxld	weird
2019-06-01 22:29:51	alanz	tweaked for older stack
2019-06-01 22:30:01	dxld	are you sure your tests are testing anything :P
2019-06-01 22:30:06	alanz	yes
2019-06-01 22:30:22	alanz	and they actually test a lot of things that hie does not
2019-06-01 22:30:44	dxld	oh I already filled out that logic
2019-06-01 22:30:45	dxld	neat
2019-06-01 22:30:47	alanz	because I focused on various cabal variations, and module graph tests, multiple main files, all that stuff
2019-06-01 22:31:00	dxld	well right I have tests for stack projects working already, so
2019-06-01 22:31:13	alanz	So I am comfortable that if HaRe passes its tests, then it will be ok for hie
2019-06-01 22:31:22	dxld	cool
2019-06-01 22:31:35	alanz	but my goal is to use it as a test bed for new-build support
2019-06-01 22:31:45	alanz	as one of two massively missing features
2019-06-01 22:31:51	alanz	the other one being cross-module goto
2019-06-01 22:32:06	alanz	which wz1000 should be able to give us, after this GSOC
2019-06-01 22:32:23	dxld	right
2019-06-01 22:33:50	alanz	so I am hoping to have two of the biggest hie headaches out of the way come september
2019-06-01 22:34:11	alanz	which is why I am hammering you on hie support :)
2019-06-01 22:38:01	dxld	only problem is the timeframe I'm interested in is way longer
2019-06-01 22:38:13	dxld	I really don't want to deal with the ghc-mod legacy bits much
2019-06-01 22:41:52	alanz	I know. Which is why I am diving head first into the swamp
2019-06-01 22:42:10	alanz	But we need to coordinate, so it ends up not being completely wasted
2019-06-01 22:42:17	dxld	I think you really should consider doing a user survey
2019-06-01 22:42:22	alanz	and upstream support is the right way to go
2019-06-01 22:42:30	dxld	if people prefer long support windows or good support ;)
2019-06-01 22:42:42	dxld	yeah sure that's fine
2019-06-01 22:42:53	dxld	I have time to do coordination
2019-06-01 22:42:59	alanz	well, I am aiming at the last three release support
2019-06-01 22:43:08	dxld	and I think that's exessive
2019-06-01 22:43:17	alanz	Next hie release is dropping 8.2.1
2019-06-01 22:43:38	alanz	it was buggy, and has not really kept up, running much older hlint and the rest
2019-06-01 22:44:21	alanz	and when 8.8 is in stack LTS, we can consider dropping 8.2 completely
2019-06-01 22:44:31	dxld	I just don't understand that
2019-06-01 22:44:44	alanz	dxld, I don't believe it is excessive. hie is a tool
2019-06-01 22:44:48	dxld	do you actually have any users that are begging for such long support windows
2019-06-01 22:45:05	alanz	not everyone has the luxury of being able to choose the version of a compiler they are forced to use
2019-06-01 22:45:09	dxld	this is exactly the mistake I made in ghc-mod (but we've discussed this before)
2019-06-01 22:45:13	alanz	true
2019-06-01 22:45:20	alanz	I take your point though.
2019-06-01 22:45:25	dxld	but they are free to use old versions of HIE
2019-06-01 22:45:47	alanz	I think next time that state if haskell survey goes out I will ask for some questions around this stuff
2019-06-01 22:46:22	dxld	I would really urge you to just do a survey on haskell-cafe/reddit etc
2019-06-01 22:46:44	dxld	but it's not me that's investing a lot of needless work so feel free to ignore me
2019-06-01 22:47:49	dxld	I just have a hard time believing there actually are significant numbers of users absolutely relying on HIE on old ghc versions
2019-06-01 22:48:01	dxld	even if they can just keep using the old version
2019-06-01 22:48:20	alanz	well, it is part of what we are doing, not going to toss it now.
2019-06-01 22:48:31	alanz	Will see who screams about 8.2.1
2019-06-01 22:51:41	dxld	There must be a name for altruism to the point of self-sacrifice :)
2019-06-01 22:51:52	dxld	like a psychological condition that's contagous
2019-06-01 22:51:59	dxld	or is passed down or something :D
2019-06-01 22:52:06	dxld	one maintainer to the other
2019-06-01 22:52:14	alanz	dxld, you did that yourself for years.
2019-06-01 22:52:20	dxld	exactly
2019-06-01 22:52:31	alanz	You have now cut your shackles, and want the world to follow
2019-06-01 22:52:39	wz1000	2 years isn't an unreasonable support window
2019-06-01 22:52:54	alanz	For me, managing the differences between these versions is not much of a problem
2019-06-01 22:52:54	dxld	no I just don't want you to burn out :)
2019-06-01 22:53:19	dxld	it wouldn't be if we were paid for our work, no
2019-06-01 22:53:24	alanz	thanks for the concern, no imminent danger though
2019-06-01 22:53:42	alanz	I may be pressed for time over the next few months though
2019-06-01 22:53:51	dxld	hehe I didn't mean that quite so literally
2019-06-01 22:53:51	wz1000	dxld: we(you and I) are though :)
2019-06-01 22:53:55	alanz	As I have been over the last few too
2019-06-01 22:54:03	dxld	yeah :)
2019-06-01 22:54:10	dxld	I'm not complaining
2019-06-01 22:54:13	alanz	Well, tbh I would prefer not to be paid fot this stuff
2019-06-01 22:54:44	alanz	changes the equation completely, it goes from something I enjoy, and do what I can on, to something where I am beholden to others
2019-06-01 22:54:58	wz1000	yeah, thats true
2019-06-01 22:55:38	wz1000	but an agpl/commercial dual licensing might not be a bad idea for something like HIE
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2019-06-01 22:55:57	dxld	:|
2019-06-01 22:55:58	wz1000	We can fund a website, CI, maybe even someone to work full time if we get enough money
2019-06-01 22:56:23	alanz	well, I have been around the block enough times to know that I have zero interest of trying to do anything commercial around hie
2019-06-01 22:56:24	dxld	how about just static binaries for sale ;)
2019-06-01 22:56:38	alanz	and I dont believe it should be done that way either
2019-06-01 22:56:42	dxld	commercial AGPL dual license is the defition of evil
2019-06-01 22:57:19	wz1000	why? You can use AGPL licensed code as much as you want as long as you upstream your changes
2019-06-01 22:57:28	alanz	But I agree this whole "who pays/who benefits" thing is a big problem around open source
2019-06-01 22:57:30	dxld	becuase you need a CLA do do that
2019-06-01 22:57:52	dxld	there's good reasons why it's bad I'll see if I can find a writeup
2019-06-01 22:58:39	dxld	but the basic problem is that it usually kills outside contributions
2019-06-01 22:59:21	alanz	agree
2019-06-01 22:59:27	wz1000	hmm. What if the income/funds are handled transparently?
2019-06-01 22:59:33	dxld	same problem
2019-06-01 22:59:50	dxld	new contributors need to go through a CLA process even to do minor contributions
2019-06-01 22:59:57	dxld	that's a major turnoff for most
2019-06-01 23:00:16	dxld	I would immediately stop even thinking about contributing if I read CLA
2019-06-01 23:00:38	dxld	s/most/many/
2019-06-01 23:00:43	wz1000	Is there no way to minimise the pain? Eg "By submitting a PR you agree to dual license your code"
2019-06-01 23:00:47	dxld	think of companies and universities too
2019-06-01 23:00:56	dxld	there I have to get approval from a higherup to sign the CLA
2019-06-01 23:01:05	dxld	which is basically impossible in many institutions
2019-06-01 23:01:12	dxld	nope
2019-06-01 23:01:24	dxld	because you need people to assign you their copyright
2019-06-01 23:01:39	dxld	that's inherently a very paperwork heavy legal thing
2019-06-01 23:01:50	wz1000	don't you need to do that if its just AGPL/GPL/BSD either?
2019-06-01 23:02:00	dxld	not with the GPL family no
2019-06-01 23:02:01	alanz	To me the only way to fund this stuff is by doing something like patreon, which goes to say haskell.org, which then gets allocated against specific projects, something like HSOC
2019-06-01 23:02:05	dxld	bsd is a different matter
2019-06-01 23:02:10	dxld	people usually just don't care
2019-06-01 23:02:12	alanz	or perhaps gitcoin, which has now become a thing
2019-06-01 23:02:20	dxld	but technically you should get a patent license from contributors
2019-06-01 23:02:27	dxld	it's debated whether that's implied or not
2019-06-01 23:02:33	dxld	the gpls spell that out explicitly
2019-06-01 23:02:40	alanz	but in my experience throwing money into a contribution system just causes toxicity
2019-06-01 23:03:27	dxld	basically with the gpls the idea is that in order to be allowed to modify and distribute the modified software you give up your exclusive copyright/patent rights to the modifications
2019-06-01 23:03:54	dxld	so you don't have to do any of the legal stuff because it's implied when you send a patch
2019-06-01 23:04:44	dxld	under the assumption that you didn't give up those exclusive rights you wouldn't have been allowed to even modify the software so the other authors could sue you for sending that patch ;)
2019-06-01 23:05:24	dxld	which is the legal equivalent of drawing a _|_ in a proof branch ;)
2019-06-01 23:06:23	wz1000	And something like that doesn't work with a dual/commercial license?
2019-06-01 23:06:24	dxld	wz1000: really it is much easier just to encourage people to pay for convinience
2019-06-01 23:06:36	dxld	like not having to compile for 5 hours and just downloading a static binary 
2019-06-01 23:06:43	dxld	people will pay for that ;)
2019-06-01 23:07:14	dxld	wz1000: not that I know of, no
2019-06-01 23:07:22	wz1000	yeah, that makes sense
2019-06-01 23:07:26	dxld	but really why have a commercial license?
2019-06-01 23:07:37	dxld	HIE isn't a library dependency where people are afraid of the GPL
2019-06-01 23:07:40	dxld	it's an application
2019-06-01 23:08:05	dxld	where running the binary doesn't mess with any of your other proprietary stuff
2019-06-01 23:08:13	dxld	so I don't think that would even make sense
2019-06-01 23:08:42	dxld	the only reason the dual licensing model works is because people are afraid of using GPLed stuff in proprietary products
2019-06-01 23:08:57	dxld	unless we're selling HIE to an IDE vendor that's not going to be a problem
2019-06-01 23:09:03	wz1000	well, I think AGPL is a good idea for HIE. It could be easy to make a business by selling HIE running over a network ala sourcegraph
2019-06-01 23:09:32	dxld	I mean I'm always for AGPL, see c-h and ghc-mod
2019-06-01 23:09:51	dxld	for exactly that reason (other people profiting off our work for doing nothing)
2019-06-01 23:10:04	dxld	but really a lot of people get their panties in a twist over the AGPL
2019-06-01 23:10:40	dxld	mostly Google/Facebook employees, because they have strict (and insane) policies that don't allow them to even use anything AGPL on their workstation
2019-06-01 23:11:06	dxld	just on the off-chance it manages to make its way into their inftrastructure somehow
2019-06-01 23:12:05	dxld	and even then they just have to give up the source to the AGPLed thing, not their entire fucking infrastructure!
2019-06-01 23:12:19	dxld	so I would recommend not going there :)
2019-06-01 23:14:49	wz1000	how does that work exactly? Do they have to get approval for all software released under a weird license? What if I license my software under something that is in effect pretty much AGPL, but not called that
2019-06-01 23:15:18	dxld	they have to get the license approved by legal it it's non-standard I think
2019-06-01 23:15:35	dxld	but I'm just guessing from what I know from talking to them
2019-06-01 23:16:02	dxld	I'm happy to link you to the relevant ghc-mod issue
2019-06-01 23:16:17	wz1000	I think I've seen it
2019-06-01 23:16:20	dxld	I mean I'm perfectly happy to just ignore Google/Facebook people
2019-06-01 23:16:32	dxld	because of the fact that, again, we're not getting payed
2019-06-01 23:16:42	dxld	they should be so lucky to be allowed to use the stuff we build
2019-06-01 23:16:54	dxld	I suppose for that particular use case a dual license would actually make sense
2019-06-01 23:17:09	dxld	you could sell GF people a binary without AGPL :)
2019-06-01 23:17:36	wz1000	That was the aim I was originally thinking of
2019-06-01 23:17:49	dxld	but 1) it's not worth the pain just for them and 2) they're just not going to use it and build their own haskell tooling instead (like they seem to be doing)
2019-06-01 23:18:47	dxld	I'm not even sure google devs are allowed to buy that sort of thing on company money anyways
2019-06-01 23:19:01	dxld	s/google/GF/
2019-06-01 23:22:22	wz1000	so they aren't even allowed to use binaries for AGPL software?
2019-06-01 23:22:49	dxld	don't think so
2019-06-01 23:23:33	wz1000	If so, does that also mean they can't use any commercial software binaries? Because the license of the code of those would be much more strict than AGPL
2019-06-01 23:23:41	dxld	I did mention I think this is an insane policy, right? :)
2019-06-01 23:23:55	dxld	maybe
2019-06-01 23:24:05	wz1000	I guess they are allowed to use Windows and MS Office
2019-06-01 23:24:13	dxld	it's illogical on so many levels..
2019-06-01 23:24:17	dxld	but here we are
2019-06-01 23:24:30	dxld	I think their legal department surely has already vetted that :)
2019-06-01 23:24:46	dxld	I think they just need to get approval for anything new
2019-06-01 23:25:02	dxld	and the AGPL was looked at by their lawyers at some point and decided it's not allowed
2019-06-01 23:25:07	dxld	so then that became policy
2019-06-01 23:25:17	dxld	that's how I would imagine that works
2019-06-01 23:25:38	dxld	would be fun to make some AGPLed web stuff and lure googlers onto such a site
2019-06-01 23:25:49	dxld	they'd be breaking policy! *gasp*
2019-06-01 23:27:25	dxld	wz1000: https://github.com/DanielG/ghc-mod/issues/638 for the discussion
2019-06-01 23:27:29	dxld	it's a long read though
2019-06-01 23:28:22	dxld	at the beginning I thought this guy actually knows what's going on but he's just relaying what the legal people told him I think
2019-06-01 23:32:29	dxld	I wonder if I could have just given them a license that clarifies the AGPLs points their laywers were uncomfortable with..
2019-06-01 23:32:34	dxld	never thought of that
2019-06-01 23:36:28	wz1000	AGPL + permissive static linking?
2019-06-01 23:36:42	dxld	not necessarily
2019-06-01 23:36:53	dxld	I mean just a one off license to google
2019-06-01 23:37:10	dxld	that would only really work when you have either CLA or only one author
2019-06-01 23:37:27	dxld	but back then I don't think anybody else had significant patches in ghc-mod
2019-06-01 23:37:57	dxld	generalizing that in a way that doesn't just outright break the AGPL would be hard to impossible though
2019-06-01 23:38:11	dxld	certainly without a laywer versed in international copyright law
2019-06-01 23:39:09	wz1000	wouldn't a single AGPL + https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPL_linking_exception license be good enough for everyone?
2019-06-01 23:39:30	dxld	nah
2019-06-01 23:39:55	dxld	because the part the lawyers were concerned about is the mere act of communicating with the program turning the software developed with it into AGPL too
2019-06-01 23:40:20	dxld	which is a very lax interpretation of what the license says but that's US copyright law for you
2019-06-01 23:40:38	dxld	so a linking exception wouldn't help I think
2019-06-01 23:40:58	dxld	but a "talking to my program doesn't turn it into AGPL" exception would have probably worked
2019-06-01 23:41:29	dxld	depending on how dynamic this legal department would have been
2019-06-01 23:41:54	dxld	but at that point I'd really need to get a lawyer and then things get expensive ;)
2019-06-01 23:42:36	dxld	anyways
2019-06-01 23:42:45	dxld	it doesn't matter, it's just not going to work well
2019-06-01 23:43:03	dxld	the main feature of the *GPL for me is the zero-maintanance legal stuff
2019-06-01 23:43:11	dxld	you just stick the license in there and boom
2019-06-01 23:43:27	dxld	you don't need anyone to sign anything and don't have to get permission from anyone to do stuff
2019-06-01 23:43:54	dxld	as soon as you want to do this sort of special license or exception stuff every contributor has to agree and the zero-maintanance stuff goes right out the window
2019-06-01 23:44:22	alanz	right, time to push the button on 0.10
2019-06-01 23:46:08	alanz	tagged
2019-06-01 23:46:45	alanz	lukelau, can you do the github release thing, when you are able?
2019-06-01 23:48:55	dxld	doesn't that happen automatically when you tag?
2019-06-01 23:49:05	dxld	*push the tag
2019-06-01 23:49:30	alanz	yes, but there is some gihub-specific thing that he does too
2019-06-01 23:49:45	dxld	you know you can edit the message for a tag when tagging it locally, right?
2019-06-01 23:50:29	alanz	yes, I just set it to the name of the tag:  git tag -m "0.10.0.0" 0.10.0.0
2019-06-01 23:50:38	dxld	hmm
2019-06-01 23:50:48	dxld	I thought you could just have that be automatic
2019-06-01 23:50:55	dxld	the github release bit I mean
2019-06-01 23:50:55	alanz	rather than putting a long story in. That is why there is a changelog
2019-06-01 23:51:11	dxld	yeah but you're supposed to put the changelog in the tag messag4e
2019-06-01 23:51:16	alanz	I have not idea how it happens. And very little interest in learning
2019-06-01 23:51:22	dxld	well it's something that some people do anyways
2019-06-01 23:51:31	alanz	ok. my bad
2019-06-01 23:51:53	dxld	the whole point is that you can automate that by having your release script read the changelog :)
2019-06-01 23:51:55	alanz	it seems redundant. Why have a changelog, if you then repeat it all over the place?
2019-06-01 23:52:16	dxld	so it shows up in the github UI for the release
2019-06-01 23:52:19	alanz	gotcha. So my next step is to make an issue saying that we need a release script
2019-06-01 23:52:25	alanz	and see if someone obliges
2019-06-01 23:52:36	dxld	I'd be happy to if you tell me what you usually do
2019-06-01 23:52:44	dxld	I have them for c-h and ghc-mod
2019-06-01 23:52:55	dxld	quite simple and emacs based, which should fit you ;)
2019-06-01 23:52:56	alanz	And quite frankly I am not that keen to do stuff that is github-specific for a release
2019-06-01 23:53:21	dxld	but it's not that's what I'm saying
2019-06-01 23:53:24	alanz	I actually thought of making a changelog generator when I was doing it today
2019-06-01 23:53:32	dxld	the idea with tag messages is that you put the release notes in there
2019-06-01 23:53:35	alanz	and figured there is probably already one in magit somewhere
2019-06-01 23:53:48	dxld	and one way to do that is a short description plus the new parts of the changelog
2019-06-01 23:53:53	alanz	ok
2019-06-01 23:54:12	dxld	so what I have my release scripts do is pop open emacs with the changelog pre-filled
2019-06-01 23:54:24	alanz	are your release scripts in those repos? will take a look next time
2019-06-01 23:54:25	dxld	then you just add any notes you have about the release and boom
2019-06-01 23:54:28	alanz	ok
2019-06-01 23:55:09	alanz	I remember gracjan had this complex elisp script as well, when he was still doing haskell-mode
2019-06-01 23:55:42	dxld	I don't actually have the part that puts the message in the tag in there but yeah
2019-06-01 23:55:55	dxld	I can add that for you
2019-06-01 23:56:07	dxld	I just like release processes being easy and reproducible by anyone
2019-06-01 23:56:13	dxld	bus factor and all that
2019-06-01 23:56:35	dxld	the scripts are like 20-50 lines of shell
2019-06-01 23:56:55	dxld	ghc-mod's is a bit longer because I had that wierd master branch without a changelog setup 
2019-06-01 23:57:35	alanz	yes
2019-06-01 23:57:49	alanz	And I agree, the release process should be documented and automated
2019-06-01 23:57:57	dxld	I have one where I went all out and it's 150 lines
2019-06-01 23:58:12	alanz	and the next one should be done by someone else, to check that the process works. Or the one after we automate, rather
2019-06-01 23:58:13	dxld	like you just tell it which version component to bump and it goes and does it
2019-06-01 23:58:26	alanz	I just looked, and magit has that bit
2019-06-01 23:58:33	dxld	link?
2019-06-01 23:58:37	alanz	https://magit.vc/manual/magit/Tagging.html
2019-06-01 23:58:39	dxld	oh you mean the tag editing?
2019-06-01 23:58:49	alanz	(magit-tag-release)
2019-06-01 23:59:08	alanz	component as in cabal file?
2019-06-01 23:59:27	dxld	no, like PVP version component
2019-06-01 23:59:37	dxld	you know super-major, major, minor, patch etc
2019-06-02 00:00:03	dxld	so you can't typo when incrementing the version number by hand :)
2019-06-02 00:00:29	dxld	like going from 0.4.2.1 -> 0.4.3.1 or something stupid like that
2019-06-02 00:01:15	alanz	ok
2019-06-02 00:01:33	alanz	an auto pvp advisor would help too
2019-06-02 00:01:38	dxld	I'm just saying these things aren't very complicated, even the crazy one is prety short
2019-06-02 00:01:44	dxld	yeah I would like that too
2019-06-02 00:01:44	alanz	agree
2019-06-02 00:02:10	dxld	I still don't know why GHC can't just support diffing .hi files for that
2019-06-02 00:02:15	alanz	but what happens for me is I hit the time to do it, realise I should write tooling, figure it is quicker to just do it, do it, and relax
2019-06-02 00:02:20	alanz	repeat next time
2019-06-02 00:02:27	dxld	yeah
2019-06-02 00:02:33	dxld	which is why I'm offering to do it
2019-06-02 00:02:41	dxld	because I don't mind making neat little scripts
2019-06-02 00:02:47	alanz	well, GHC would support diffing .hi files, after you make a MR for it
2019-06-02 00:02:57	alanz	dxld, please do
2019-06-02 00:02:59	dxld	I think it already has a flag for it even
2019-06-02 00:03:11	alanz	both of those things
2019-06-02 00:03:21	dxld	but there's some limitation in the info in .hi that means you can't make it accurate enough to hand it full control over pvp
2019-06-02 00:03:54	dxld	probably related to orphan instances and and new, more relaxed version bounds 
2019-06-02 00:04:01	alanz	ok.
2019-06-02 00:04:24	alanz	I don't know enough about either PVP or .hi file formats to be able to comment
2019-06-02 00:04:34	dxld	but I've had tenative plans to write something like that ever since I had to release the second release of my fist hackage package ;)
2019-06-02 00:06:12	dxld	have to go, bbl
2019-06-02 00:06:21	cocreature	there is also the case where you change the behavior of a function in a breaking way without changing the type. interface files are never going to be sufficient to determine that
2019-06-02 00:06:22	alanz	cheers, thanks for the chats
2019-06-02 00:07:08	alanz	cocreature, true, but if they can tell you the obvious cases, then handling the non-obvious ones becomes easier
2019-06-02 00:07:47	alanz	cocreature, I also owe you some feedback on haskell-lsp stuff
2019-06-02 00:07:57	cocreature	definitely, I was specifically refering to dxld’s comment about “handing it full control over pvp”. that’s just never going to happen
2019-06-02 00:08:02	cocreature	alanz: take your time, it’s not urgent
2019-06-02 00:08:24	alanz	ok, will see if I can get to it tomorrow
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2019-06-02 03:40:41	dxld	cocreature: PVP is not about changes to behaviour, only the API. not once does it mention anything about the behaviour of something exported changing.
2019-06-02 03:50:44	dxld	which is strange now that I think about it but there you are :)
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2019-06-02 10:38:00	cocreature	dxld: if you look at the diagram it definitely does mention this
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2019-06-02 13:20:54	wz1000	mpickering: this commit doesn't seem to work with ghc 8.6: https://github.com/mpickering/hie-lsif/pull/1/commits/9cf7de6a449c63c49321038da36efd8597a6dc25
2019-06-02 13:22:03	mpickering	Hie files don't work with 8.8
2019-06-02 13:24:23	wz1000	I've tested it with 8.9, where it works, and 8.6, where it doesn't. Do you know if binding hidden kind arguments with the @k syntax made it into 8.8?
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2019-06-02 17:59:53	infinisil	Hm, is this normal for using HIE with emacs (with lsp-ui)? https://paste.infinisil.com/7UNoV_EodE.png
2019-06-02 18:00:13	infinisil	That docs are displayed in lsp-ui-sideline?
2019-06-02 18:00:34	infinisil	It's taking up a lot of space, and if there's too many docs it doesn't display it at all
2019-06-02 18:01:15	fendor	doesnt look normal
2019-06-02 18:15:25	dxld	cocreature: huh, you're right. Should probably say that in the text too..
2019-06-02 18:35:01	alanz	infinisil, that does look odd
2019-06-02 18:38:51	infinisil	Got it, not normal
2019-06-02 18:39:08	infinisil	These are the logs when I hover over that: https://paste.infinisil.com/0OvRKY0wPc
2019-06-02 18:39:32	alanz	I think it is a change in the emacs code somewhere
2019-06-02 18:39:44	alanz	in my mind, the sideline stuff should just be the top line
2019-06-02 18:39:51	alanz	i.e. the signature
2019-06-02 18:40:18	infinisil	I am using master versions of lsp-ui, lsp-mode and lsp-haskell
2019-06-02 18:43:31	infinisil	alanz: What lsp-mode commit are you usinG?
2019-06-02 18:44:31	alanz	current master, it was broken off melpa earlier today, I merged a PR that fixed it, 
2019-06-02 18:44:39	alanz	so it should get published again soon
2019-06-02 18:44:55	alanz	But I have been working on bleeding edge stuff with no hie today
2019-06-02 18:47:10	infinisil	alanz: Huh, so melpa is *ahead* of master? Or the other way around?
2019-06-02 18:47:38	alanz	master is ahead of melpa
2019-06-02 18:47:39	fendor	power-fungus and I got the tests running for azure, so, that should be ready soon!
2019-06-02 18:47:48	alanz	great news
2019-06-02 18:47:55	alanz	I saw a movement on that earlier
2019-06-02 18:47:57	infinisil	Ah, I think you're referring to lsp-haskell, I see the PRs you merged there
2019-06-02 18:48:26	infinisil	Am also using lsp-haskell master though, so that shouldn't be it
2019-06-02 18:48:27	fendor	the issue by the way was, that liquid requires an smt solver on the path. we should document that somewhere
2019-06-02 18:48:46	alanz	ahyes.
2019-06-02 18:48:54	alanz	The liquid docs say that
2019-06-02 18:49:02	alanz	did you use z3?
2019-06-02 18:49:06	fendor	yes
2019-06-02 18:49:29	alanz	good, that is the standard/reccomended, as I understandit
2019-06-02 18:50:01	fendor	should we document it in the code or somewhere else?
2019-06-02 18:52:38	alanz	I think it makes sense to put it in our README
2019-06-02 18:52:50	alanz	if it bites us, it will bite others too
2019-06-02 18:54:04	fendor	FAQ section?
2019-06-02 18:54:08	alanz	yes
2019-06-02 18:54:12	fendor	will do
2019-06-02 18:54:16	alanz	thanks
2019-06-02 18:58:36	 *	infinisil tries to find the code in lsp-mode/lsp-ui/lsp-haskell that's supposed to show only the first line in the sideline
2019-06-02 19:00:35	alanz	infinisil, it used to do that. Something has changed in the meantim
2019-06-02 19:00:43	infinisil	Ah
2019-06-02 19:01:10	alanz	emacs-lsp asks for hover info for multiple locations, some for the sideline, some for the actual hover documentation
2019-06-02 19:01:24	alanz	And the thing is continuously evolving
2019-06-02 19:01:37	alanz	So it is probably worth making an issue against lsp-ui for this
2019-06-02 19:01:55	alanz	I have not done any active work on emacs-lsp and friends for months
2019-06-02 19:02:13	alanz	And only just merged some PRs because the overnight update broke things for me
2019-06-02 19:07:14	infinisil	I see
2019-06-02 19:07:37	infinisil	alanz: https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-ui/pull/264 seems like it might be the culprit
2019-06-02 19:08:08	infinisil	(but I think this also fixed this issue I was having: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1181, so not sure..)
2019-06-02 19:15:28	alanz	infinisil, I think the lsp-ui one
2019-06-02 19:15:39	alanz	hie was using a deprecated format before
2019-06-02 19:19:09	infinisil	Hmm alright
2019-06-02 19:19:15	infinisil	I guess I'll file an issue in lsp-ui
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2019-06-02 19:59:58	infinisil	https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-ui/issues/292
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2019-06-02 20:11:21	lukelau	alanz: release is up!
2019-06-02 20:11:34	lukelau	thats a big changelog :)
2019-06-02 20:21:25	infinisil	Hehe nice, I was able to update all-hies on time with the release
2019-06-02 20:27:43	infinisil	Thanks for the release everybody!
2019-06-02 20:28:41	mpickering	wz1000: You don't need to support 8.6?
2019-06-02 20:28:47	mpickering	because you can't read an HIE file with 8.6
2019-06-02 20:45:10	alanz	lukelau, thanks
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2019-06-02 21:07:56	wz1000	mpickering: I was asking about 8.8. I've only tested it with 8.9. Also, the LSIF file stuff could be useful for people on 8.6
2019-06-02 21:23:53	mpickering	wz1000: Do you plan to make any more changes to the branch now?
2019-06-02 21:23:55	mpickering	What's your plan for this week?
2019-06-02 21:41:26	mpickering	wz1000: Visible kind application will be in 8.8 so think it should be ok
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2019-06-02 23:00:25	zeta_0	alanz: hello again, i was wondering if you could help me with the code you pastebined yesterday?
2019-06-02 23:10:53	zeta_0	i am not sure about the code alanz paste binned, my goal is to set hie so that it automatically opens when i open a haskell file, i keep having to do this automatically which is a hassle, lines 160-214 contain the code that i need to put in .emacs but i am just not sure if i need the code that is commented out, if you guys could please help me out with this, thanks in advance:
2019-06-02 23:10:59	zeta_0	https://gist.github.com/alanz/a95a35cfb7cdff7b4df63894a2d488d7
2019-06-02 23:11:34	alanz	zeta_0, paste your emacs config somewhere
2019-06-02 23:12:00	zeta_0	alanz: ok, one sec
2019-06-02 23:18:26	zeta_0	alanz: https://gist.github.com/zeta-00/8c73908f4abf0c4e457140ce8051f956
2019-06-02 23:20:07	alanz	zeta_0, are you on nixos?
2019-06-02 23:20:34	zeta_0	alanz: yes
2019-06-02 23:21:01	alanz	that is terra incognita for me. Some things work, some dont
2019-06-02 23:21:24	alanz	So you are best off asking someone who uses nix, hie and emacs
2019-06-02 23:21:44	alanz	Are you installing hie via https://github.com/infinisil/all-hies?
2019-06-02 23:22:06	alanz	And I think (setq lsp-document-sync-method 'full) is unnecessary
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2019-06-02 23:32:05	zeta_0	alanz: yes, i am using `all-hies`, everything is working fine, the only problem i am having is: every time i have to manually activate using: `lsp-workspace-folder-add` and `M-x lsp` before i open a haskell file, i just want to change .emacs config so that when i open up a haskell file hie lsp automatically activates(turns on), does that code you paste binned do this? if not is there a simple way to set this up with
2019-06-02 23:32:05	zeta_0	 `use-package`?
2019-06-02 23:32:45	alanz	zeta_0, for me that already happens
2019-06-02 23:33:18	alanz	so I do not know why not for you, unless it is related to expectations about directories, that is different on nixos
2019-06-02 23:34:25	alanz	zeta_0, do you have a file in ~.emacs.d called .lsp-session-v1?
2019-06-02 23:34:50	alanz	because that is where the lsp-workspace-folder-add command caches its stuff, for me
2019-06-02 23:36:30	zeta_0	alanz: no i don't see that file there?
2019-06-02 23:37:29	alanz	well, that is where the results go for me
2019-06-02 23:37:55	alanz	maybe chase through the lsp emacs code for that, or look for it on your machine
2019-06-02 23:38:10	alanz	could be a nixos thing, not allowing writes 
2019-06-02 23:39:14	zeta_0	alanz: maybe i could ask infinisil to come to this channel to see what's going on, he is the one that created all-hies?
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2019-06-02 23:41:06	alanz	its not about all-hies, it is about lsp-mode storing that cache file somewhere
2019-06-02 23:42:36	cocreature	if you have to manually activate it that sounds like the hook isn’t being added properly for some reason
2019-06-02 23:42:57	alanz	zeta_0, see https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-mode/blob/master/doc/src/usage.adoc
2019-06-02 23:45:07	zeta_0	cocreature: here is my .emacs config, maybe i made a mistake, or i am missing something: https://gist.github.com/zeta-00/8c73908f4abf0c4e457140ce8051f956
2019-06-02 23:46:06	cocreature	I’d try with something more minimal and see if you can still reproduce it
2019-06-02 23:49:11	zeta_0	cocreature: i think it's pretty minimal:                                     ;; language server protocol
2019-06-02 23:49:11	zeta_0	(setq lsp-document-sync-method 'full)
2019-06-02 23:49:11	zeta_0	(require 'lsp-mode)
2019-06-02 23:49:11	zeta_0	(require 'lsp-ui)
2019-06-02 23:49:11	zeta_0	(add-hook 'lsp-mode-hook 'lsp-ui-mode)
2019-06-02 23:49:11	zeta_0	(add-hook 'haskell-mode-hook 'flycheck-mode)
2019-06-02 23:49:11	zeta_0	(require 'lsp)
2019-06-02 23:49:12	zeta_0	(require 'lsp-haskell)
2019-06-02 23:49:12	zeta_0	(add-hook 'haskell-mode-hook #'lsp)
2019-06-02 23:49:13	zeta_0	;; (add-hook 'haskell-mode-hook 'direnv-update-environment)
2019-06-02 23:50:16	cocreature	remove everything except for lsp, lsp-haskell and haskell-mode and see if you get the same issue
2019-06-02 23:51:11	zeta_0	ok
2019-06-02 23:51:18	zeta_0	one second
2019-06-02 23:55:58	zeta_0	cocreature: exactly which lines do you want me to comment out? https://gist.github.com/zeta-00/a48659903b46a16202fa06bdc989e46c
2019-06-02 23:58:36	zeta_0	i followed the haskell-ide-engine instructions exactly, so i have no idea why it this automated function is not working
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2019-06-02 23:59:00	fendor	alanz, now that there was a release, should we merge ghc-mod update? 
2019-06-02 23:59:23	cocreature	I’d remove the change to document-sync-method, lsp-ui and flycheck
2019-06-03 00:00:00	fendor	side question, what would be required to support single files in hie? E.g. for script development?
2019-06-03 00:00:12	alanz	fendor, yes.  I am tied up with some other stuff, so likely to only get to it tomorrow or so
2019-06-03 00:00:25	alanz	fendor, its supposed to be supported already
2019-06-03 00:00:30	fendor	alanz, thats great! 
2019-06-03 00:00:33	fendor	really? 
2019-06-03 00:00:37	fendor	alright, gonna test it
2019-06-03 00:01:37	alanz	I just did, created a file /tmp/fff/Blah.hs, opened it up getting hlint and ghcmod warnings
2019-06-03 00:01:51	alanz	for main = putStrLn "hello"
2019-06-03 00:02:25	fendor	and more complicated stuff such as the install script? or stack packages? 
2019-06-03 00:03:35	alanz	have not tried them. You mean ones with a #! in them?
2019-06-03 00:03:40	fendor	yes
2019-06-03 00:03:45	zeta_0	cocreature: when i open a file, it asks me for the project root, shoudn't that be done automatically?
2019-06-03 00:03:46	fendor	would be interesting
2019-06-03 00:04:20	alanz	zeta_0, it asks that the first time. 
2019-06-03 00:04:27	fendor	yeah, that doesnt work. But may be worth looking into, right?
2019-06-03 00:04:32	alanz	then stores it in the session cache file
2019-06-03 00:04:48	cocreature	“ If there is such client lsp-mode will look for the project root. If you open a file from the project for the first time you will be prompted to define the current project root. Once the project root is selected it is saved in lsp-session file and it will be loaded the next time you start Emacs so you no longer will be asked for a project root when you open a file from that project.” from the
2019-06-03 00:04:50	cocreature	readme of lsp-mode
2019-06-03 00:04:57	alanz	fendor, for me there are bigger fish to fry right now
2019-06-03 00:05:23	fendor	alanz, i see, then ok
2019-06-03 00:05:23	alanz	and a fix like that is likely to get lost, as part of the current hie-bios reorganisation
2019-06-03 00:05:33	fendor	can i help with something?
2019-06-03 00:06:24	alanz	fendor, I don't really know. I am working from a side, bringing in HaRe, cabal-helper, stripped down ghc-mod, via a stripped down hie-plugin-api
2019-06-03 00:06:49	alanz	When I get somewhere with that, I am going to lift up my head and look at what hie bios is, and how it works
2019-06-03 00:07:55	fendor	alright, if something comes up, until the end of june I have a lot of "spare time"
2019-06-03 00:10:13	alanz	fendor, here is something you can try. Get travis building for cabal new-build, using https://github.com/haskell-CI/haskell-ci
2019-06-03 00:10:38	alanz	but you will likely have to tweak it, I just tried for my branch, and it is blowing up with stupid stuff
2019-06-03 00:10:45	alanz	not being able to construct a build plan
2019-06-03 00:11:25	alanz	except I think I just fixed it, by using our cabal.project, not the one it cobbles together
2019-06-03 00:11:57	fendor	thats good
2019-06-03 00:12:13	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/blob/travis-sigh/.travis.yml
2019-06-03 00:12:30	alanz	https://travis-ci.org/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/builds/540444379
2019-06-03 00:14:23	fendor	it looks good at least. The tests should probably fail though
2019-06-03 00:15:34	zeta_0	i am not sure if hie is working correctly, i'll get back to you guys after i do a little bit more testing
2019-06-03 00:15:45	alanz	I just got it to build. Seem crazy to regenerate the cabal.project file for CI though
2019-06-03 00:17:20	wz1000	mpickering: Yes, I plan to make a couple more changes to hie-lsif
2019-06-03 00:17:45	wz1000	This week I will get my patch in for the typeclass evidence stuff, and work on HieDb
2019-06-03 00:19:18	fendor	seems weird, i agree
2019-06-03 00:36:16	mpickering	fendor: You know the problem with the stderr appearing in the console with your patch? I don't know what the right fix is as I don't understand the loadTargets logic in ghc-mod
2019-06-03 00:36:23	mpickering	it typechecks every module twice
2019-06-03 00:37:51	fendor	i thought something like that
2019-06-03 00:38:12	mpickering	so I suggested a fix for the "good path" 
2019-06-03 00:38:17	mpickering	which is the way I think it should work
2019-06-03 00:40:02	fendor	but we dont know why it type checks twice?
2019-06-03 00:40:18	mpickering	I can't think of a reason
2019-06-03 00:43:18	fendor	you said you rewrote that part completely, right? So maybe it is ok to just leave it be until your brnach has been merged?
2019-06-03 00:56:12	mpickering	yes I'm not sure it deals with plugins right though
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2019-06-03 01:01:31	fendor	it did work in the small example
2019-06-03 01:03:15	alanz	I just had "cabal new-test" pass on my current hie branch
2019-06-03 01:03:27	alanz	which is probably not a big deal
2019-06-03 01:04:06	alanz	because it is all about the projects being tested. Need to put in a switch, like in HaRe
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2019-06-03 16:00:22	fendor	infinisil, do we need to update something for all-hies to bump it to the latest release? 
2019-06-03 16:00:55	fendor	you already did that, sorry
2019-06-03 16:03:40	fendor	infinisil, btw, I can not reproduce your issue with hie-8.6.4
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2019-06-03 16:33:05	infinisil	fendor: Hm damn, weird
2019-06-03 16:33:20	fendor	infinisil, you said hie-8.4.4?
2019-06-03 16:33:23	fendor	i can try it with that
2019-06-03 16:34:20	infinisil	It's probably something stupid stupid somewhere I'm missing
2019-06-03 16:34:33	infinisil	s/stupid//
2019-06-03 16:35:17	fendor	idk, ill try 8.4.4
2019-06-03 16:36:00	fendor	seems to work for hie 8.4.4 as well
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2019-06-03 17:11:42	infinisil	fendor: You're also using all-hies to test this?
2019-06-03 17:16:45	fendor	yes
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2019-06-03 17:39:00	fendor	infinisil, i think i got it
2019-06-03 17:39:05	fendor	did you generate a hoogle db?
2019-06-03 17:39:34	fendor	e.g. ~/.hoogle/default-haskell-5.0.17.hoo exists?
2019-06-03 17:41:10	infinisil	fendor: I did not!
2019-06-03 17:41:47	infinisil	:O
2019-06-03 17:41:59	fendor	yeah, we should add that somehow to all-hies...
2019-06-03 17:42:51	infinisil	How do you mean?
2019-06-03 17:43:58	fendor	at least mention that you have to use `hoogle generate` to get features
2019-06-03 17:44:10	fendor	or somehow configure env variables and install a default db alongside
2019-06-03 17:44:34	infinisil	Isn't that the case for all HIE installations though?
2019-06-03 17:45:03	infinisil	Should probably go in the HIE repo
2019-06-03 17:45:08	fendor	not when building from source, there is a target `build-docs`
2019-06-03 17:45:28	infinisil	Oh hmm
2019-06-03 17:45:51	infinisil	And that build step generates a hoogle db from which packages?
2019-06-03 17:45:58	fendor	hackage, afaik
2019-06-03 17:46:10	fendor	or stackage... one of the two, i think
2019-06-03 17:46:11	infinisil	*All* of hackage?
2019-06-03 17:46:31	fendor	i dont know :/
2019-06-03 17:46:34	infinisil	I see..
2019-06-03 17:46:52	infinisil	Okay I'll investigate later, thanks for figuring it out :)
2019-06-03 17:47:38	fendor	np! thanks for reporting :)
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2019-06-03 21:49:43	wz1000	mpickering: I made LsifIds typed as you suggested. Also, it now has argument parsing and an option to include the contents of a .hs source file in document nodes
2019-06-03 21:51:38	mpickering	Nice. Now all we need is a way to use these files :p
2019-06-03 22:00:37	wz1000	mpickering: btw, the first time I said I validated the lens files, I must have generated the lsif file from some subset of the files, not all of them
2019-06-03 22:01:01	wz1000	Today when I tried to validate it again, I ran into some horrible quadratic behaviour in lsif-util
2019-06-03 22:01:10	wz1000	see https://github.com/jumattos/lsif-util/pull/19
2019-06-03 22:11:06	mpickering	Oh wow
2019-06-03 22:11:14	mpickering	30 minutes still seems quite long
2019-06-03 22:11:58	mpickering	Well done for fixing it
2019-06-03 22:12:19	mpickering	Have you investigated at all if there is any way to compress the output we generate? 
2019-06-03 22:12:46	mpickering	I seem to remember there are some ways to make the output smaller but I implemented the most naive thing
2019-06-03 22:13:57	wz1000	No, I can look into it
2019-06-03 22:16:03	wz1000	But I suspect the biggest gains will come from changing the format
2019-06-03 22:17:09	wz1000	gzipping leads to a 10x reduction in size
2019-06-03 22:17:18	mpickering	If you look into this then I would prefer if the logic to emit the graph stays the same
2019-06-03 22:17:27	mpickering	but the compression logic is somehow embedded into the monad
2019-06-03 22:17:34	mpickering	if that makes sense?
2019-06-03 22:17:48	mpickering	So the fact that the representation is compressed is not visible in the API
2019-06-03 22:17:55	wz1000	yeah, I get what you are saying
2019-06-03 22:18:35	mpickering	do you know what the deal with the sqlite db is?
2019-06-03 22:18:57	wz1000	nope
2019-06-03 22:19:56	mpickering	because it would also be good to directly generate that DB rather than going via JSON
2019-06-03 22:20:06	wz1000	do they have that implemented somewhere?
2019-06-03 22:20:10	mpickering	I think so
2019-06-03 22:20:20	mpickering	In the vscode extension repo
2019-06-03 22:21:27	mpickering	https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-lsif-extension/tree/master/samples
2019-06-03 22:21:56	mpickering	https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-lsif-extension/blob/master/server/src/sqlite.ts
2019-06-03 22:23:26	wz1000	mpickering: if the samples are supposed to represent the same content, the gains don't seem that big: 3.7M vs 5.14M
2019-06-03 22:23:53	mpickering	5mb is a baby lsif file though
2019-06-03 22:24:18	mpickering	it's a shame the validator is so inefficient as it means adding it to CI is not realistic
2019-06-03 22:24:55	wz1000	I think there is a lot of low hanging fruit to optimise the validator
2019-06-03 22:25:38	mpickering	looks like it was perhaps a junior developer who was tasked with implementing it
2019-06-03 22:25:42	mpickering	perhaps an onboarding project
2019-06-03 22:26:04	mpickering	Do you know how big the LSIF files are for the typescript or java projects?
2019-06-03 22:26:28	wz1000	nope. Lens is 43mb though
2019-06-03 22:27:27	mpickering	Will you be able to email Arjun today to update him with what you've done and tell him we can test the LSIF stuff on the hie typescript project?
2019-06-03 22:27:53	mpickering	In the email you can also ask him how big a typical LSIF file is for typescript/java 
2019-06-03 22:28:10	wz1000	ok
2019-06-03 22:28:48	mpickering	I wouldn't phrase it like "Please add Haskell support" but rather just tell him about our progress and say we're interested to try out the preview
2019-06-03 22:29:10	mpickering	He will ask us when he is ready if they want to support Haskell
2019-06-03 22:30:30	wz1000	mpickering: btw, what is the plan for the backport of the hie header MR?
2019-06-03 22:31:10	mpickering	Ben is aware of it
2019-06-03 22:31:26	wz1000	the haddock commit also has to be backported?
2019-06-03 22:31:39	mpickering	yes, that is delicate as well
2019-06-03 22:31:46	mpickering	I'll get that sorted for you though
2019-06-03 22:32:05	wz1000	ok, thanks
2019-06-03 22:32:40	mpickering	gtg, good work!
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2019-06-03 22:59:57	infinisil	fendor: Yeah hoogle seems to generate docs for all of stackages packages
2019-06-03 23:00:57	fendor	infinisil, did it fix your problem?
2019-06-03 23:01:21	infinisil	I can't test yet, my main machine is at home which is not where I am rn
2019-06-03 23:01:56	shapr	mpickering: I have an hour long Haskell meeting in 1.5 hours, but I'm willing to start the HIE discussion before or after that
2019-06-03 23:01:57	infinisil	Although, I guess I can test on this machine too, just takes a while
2019-06-03 23:02:05	shapr	I should go read all the stuff now
2019-06-03 23:02:47	infinisil	fendor: It *might* be possible to bundle the hoogle db with all-hies, but it would be a bit of a pain
2019-06-03 23:03:17	infinisil	Either all the doc builds will have to be gotten from the nixpkgs builds (some of which might be broken, so ehh)
2019-06-03 23:03:46	infinisil	Or I'd have to fetch the doc builds from hackage (which is what hoogle generate does by default) but via nix with sha256's and such
2019-06-03 23:03:48	fendor	infinisil, I suggest, just adding it to the readme and everyone is responsible on their own
2019-06-03 23:04:58	infinisil	fendor: Would be really nice to just have it work by default though..
2019-06-03 23:05:32	fendor	I agree. It would also be possible to install hoogle and execute after everything has been installed?
2019-06-03 23:06:12	infinisil	Well Hoogle can't have access to the internet, which is what it wants by default
2019-06-03 23:06:29	infinisil	But actually I guess it might make more sense to generate the db for each project on its own
2019-06-03 23:07:09	infinisil	Because there's no need to generate docs for over 2000 packages if you won't use most of them. And then you might also use other hackage packages not in stackage, which won't be there if you use the default hoogle db way
2019-06-03 23:09:19	infinisil	And now I'm thinking that generating the hoogle db should really be done by HIE
2019-06-03 23:10:41	fendor	i dont think you can have a hoogle db for each project
2019-06-03 23:10:55	fendor	since hoogle generate generates the db in `.hoogle/`
2019-06-03 23:11:07	infinisil	There's a flag you can use to specify the location
2019-06-03 23:12:09	infinisil	And you can tell it to index local packages
2019-06-03 23:13:54	fendor	i see. well, we can open an issue or look around why this has been done. I think, one reason was to speed up time till responsiveness
2019-06-03 23:14:40	infinisil	I'd think it would have to be done in the background, with some status information somewhere about "Indexing packages in progress"
2019-06-03 23:14:58	infinisil	Indicating that while that's going, you won't have all features
2019-06-03 23:16:35	fendor	should be possible now
2019-06-03 23:16:41	fendor	so, an issue it is?
2019-06-03 23:17:11	infinisil	I'll quickly open one
2019-06-03 23:17:14	fendor	thanks! 
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2019-06-03 23:27:38	infinisil	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1285
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2019-06-04 00:25:16	mpickering	shapr: I am here now
2019-06-04 00:25:42	shapr	I'll be available in an hour, my weekly Haskell meetup at recurse center is now!
2019-06-04 00:26:30	mpickering	sounds good. ping me when you're here
2019-06-04 00:26:35	shapr	should be an hour from now
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2019-06-04 01:18:36	zeta_0	hello guys, now that i have cabal-new-repl working with haskell for some reason lsp hie has stopped working, if you guys could take a look at my .emacs, thanks: https://hastebin.com/gipixazeqo.php
2019-06-04 01:21:34	zeta_0	i also setup lsp for java, maybe that might have something to do with it, i don't know
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2019-06-04 01:45:04	shapr	mpickering: I am present!
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2019-06-04 01:45:12	mpickering	good evening shapr 
2019-06-04 01:45:16	shapr	got into a discussion of whether it's possible to build a lazy game tree for monte carlo tree search, and I think it is
2019-06-04 01:45:40	mpickering	my office mate did something similar
2019-06-04 01:45:52	shapr	oh really?
2019-06-04 01:46:04	mpickering	and then parallelised it
2019-06-04 01:46:07	shapr	do you have a link?
2019-06-04 01:46:11	shapr	oh yes, that's exactly what I want!
2019-06-04 01:46:45	mpickering	there is a paper which is a little bit rough. I can ask him for it
2019-06-04 01:47:11	shapr	yes please!
2019-06-04 01:47:35	shapr	someone here at the recurse center wants to write more Haskell, but couldn't figure out how to do MCTS in Haskell, so was going to give up and write Python
2019-06-04 01:48:00	shapr	but I convinced him that it's at least theoretically doable, I have the structure in my head, but it would take me a day or two to figure it out
2019-06-04 01:49:14	shapr	mpickering: so once you've messaged your office mate ... then we can talk HIE
2019-06-04 01:49:16	mpickering	His isn't a MCTS but alpha-beta
2019-06-04 01:49:21	 *	shapr shrugs
2019-06-04 01:49:27	mpickering	not sure if that's a big difference
2019-06-04 01:49:27	shapr	I'd like to see it.
2019-06-04 01:49:31	mpickering	ok I asked him
2019-06-04 01:49:48	mpickering	right, HIE, if you start by looking in the hie-bios folder that is a good place to start
2019-06-04 01:50:04	shapr	from what I learned half an hour ago, there is a difference in that MCTS probabilistically plays the game to the end in a random number of subtrees of the node to score
2019-06-04 01:50:19	shapr	and you want to keep the ratio of won/lost for each node, so you know what to spend time on next
2019-06-04 01:50:52	shapr	I think that can be a lazy list in each node that gives you the ratio, and whenever you want more subtrees scored, you can ask for that
2019-06-04 01:50:59	shapr	but I don't know how to update the score in the parent node
2019-06-04 01:51:07	mpickering	You can think HIE being split up into two layers. There's the layer which deals with setting up the session and dealing with the GHC API and the high-level part which implements most of the user facing things like running formatters. 
2019-06-04 01:51:33	shapr	ok
2019-06-04 01:51:39	mpickering	HIstorically the layer which sets up the GHC API was implemented by ghc-mod but my branch rewrites all of that into hie-bios
2019-06-04 01:51:50	mpickering	So I have changed little to do with user facing features (in theory)
2019-06-04 01:51:58	mpickering	it's all to do with how sessions are created and how modules are loaded
2019-06-04 01:52:23	mpickering	HIE is a program like GHCi really
2019-06-04 01:52:29	shapr	ok
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2019-06-04 01:52:37	mpickering	you start a session and then load modules and run commands and so on
2019-06-04 01:53:02	mpickering	and the main challenge has been, how to construct the correct session to load a module into
2019-06-04 01:53:21	shapr	and a session is just the right flags for ghci, cabal new-repl, stack or whatever?
2019-06-04 01:53:29	mpickering	yes exactly
2019-06-04 01:53:38	mpickering	So the main idea is that a session is just the set of flags
2019-06-04 01:53:47	mpickering	which means that any build tool can be supported as long as they give us the right flags
2019-06-04 01:53:55	mpickering	and all build tools in theory can do this as they all have repl targets
2019-06-04 01:54:35	mpickering	The responsibility for setting up the correct session is that of the build tool, the hie-bios layer makes it configurable about what is queried to get the flags and how it is queried
2019-06-04 01:54:56	mpickering	at the moment, the way to get the flags is a little bit hacky, but ultimately each build tool will have a specific target which can be called to get the information 
2019-06-04 01:55:01	mpickering	if they want to support HIE properly :)
2019-06-04 01:55:23	mpickering	So all the information about that should be in the hie-bios README, I would read that now if you didn't already
2019-06-04 01:56:23	shapr	I have not, is that a branch?
2019-06-04 01:56:25	 *	shapr digs through logs
2019-06-04 01:58:44	 *	shapr reads the README
2019-06-04 01:58:49	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/tree/hie-bios/hie-bios
2019-06-04 02:08:06	shapr	is there an explicit list of the flags for different repls?
2019-06-04 02:08:54	mpickering	shapr: What do you mean?
2019-06-04 02:09:11	mpickering	do you have an example in mind?
2019-06-04 02:26:03	shapr	sorry, social distractions
2019-06-04 02:44:04	shapr	mpickering: is there a status document that shows what needs to be done?
2019-06-04 02:46:58	mpickering	no that would be good to write, I agree
2019-06-04 02:47:33	mpickering	I think the two main things are getting HaRe working in this new setup
2019-06-04 02:47:51	mpickering	and workout out what to do about multiple components
2019-06-04 02:48:11	mpickering	this is all a bit too nebulous for you probably, I admit that
2019-06-04 02:48:16	mpickering	so if you don't fancy it then fair enough
2019-06-04 02:49:19	alanz	fwiw, https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/tree/ghc-8.8 works with cabal-helper as per dxld's wip/new-build branch
2019-06-04 02:49:45	alanz	and with https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/c-h-201905-az
2019-06-04 02:50:07	alanz	but it needs a lot of polishing and simplification
2019-06-04 02:50:23	mpickering	is that integrated at all with my branch though?
2019-06-04 02:50:27	alanz	And for me identifies the requirements of the hie-bios API
2019-06-04 02:50:31	alanz	mpickering, not at all
2019-06-04 02:50:46	alanz	my goal is to get a stripped down API that works
2019-06-04 02:51:08	alanz	and then bring in whatever type libraries are needed to abstract away cabal-helper and ghc-mod
2019-06-04 02:51:17	alanz	and *then* take a look at hie-bios
2019-06-04 02:51:50	alanz	But on the way it can bring in some level of new-build support, and let me test GHC 8.8
2019-06-04 02:52:15	mpickering	ok, I'm in no particular rush
2019-06-04 02:52:26	mpickering	but the latest rebase was moderately painful
2019-06-04 02:52:56	alanz	Which is why I generally merge instead, rebases are incredibly painful in general
2019-06-04 02:53:03	mpickering	it was a merge
2019-06-04 02:53:07	alanz	ah
2019-06-04 02:53:17	mpickering	because we made very similar changes removing dependency on ghc-mod
2019-06-04 02:53:21	alanz	But I have been messing with things
2019-06-04 02:53:23	alanz	yes
2019-06-04 02:53:41	alanz	and switching submodule repos doesn't help much either
2019-06-04 02:53:59	mpickering	each time I merge there's some risk that I make a mistake and reintroduce a bug as well
2019-06-04 02:54:18	alanz	I know.
2019-06-04 02:54:39	alanz	Which is why I cam keen to get this stuff stabilised. But there are so many moving parts to manage
2019-06-04 02:55:04	alanz	But I think we are converging towards what is needed
2019-06-04 02:55:31	mpickering	Zubin is making good progress with the LSIF stuff btw
2019-06-04 02:55:36	mpickering	not sure if you saw our chat earlier
2019-06-04 02:57:02	shapr	Is there a test suite?
2019-06-04 02:57:14	mpickering	no.. *cries*
2019-06-04 02:57:14	shapr	which parts are still moving? :-)
2019-06-04 02:57:17	shapr	oh no!
2019-06-04 02:57:21	mpickering	well there is
2019-06-04 02:57:21	alanz	mpickering, I did
2019-06-04 02:57:25	mpickering	for haskell-ide-engine
2019-06-04 02:57:30	mpickering	but not for the hie-bios bit specifically
2019-06-04 02:57:46	mpickering	the testsuite doesn't work on my branch for some undiagnosed reason
2019-06-04 02:57:54	mpickering	but in general it does work on master
2019-06-04 02:58:07	alanz	For me the best test suite is HaRe, it has a lot of project configuration related tests
2019-06-04 02:58:22	mpickering	ok
2019-06-04 02:58:28	mpickering	are they all cabal?
2019-06-04 02:58:30	alanz	and the bios should be able to work with hie-plugin-api, in my opinioin
2019-06-04 02:58:30	mpickering	or stack as well?
2019-06-04 02:58:44	mpickering	not sure what that means
2019-06-04 02:58:50	alanz	I can run the tests against stack, cabal new-build, or cabal old build
2019-06-04 02:58:53	shapr	A test suite for hie-bios would increase the likelihood I'd do this
2019-06-04 02:59:35	mpickering	the hie-bios part works, it's the hie integration part which isn't finished
2019-06-04 02:59:41	alanz	well, there's the first task then :)
2019-06-04 02:59:43	mpickering	and there are tests for that
2019-06-04 03:00:04	mpickering	alanz: What does "and the bios should be able to work with hie-plugin-api, in my opinion" mean?
2019-06-04 03:00:33	alanz	mpickering, I should be able to run the HaRe tests against it
2019-06-04 03:00:41	alanz	is precisely what I mean
2019-06-04 03:00:55	alanz	without it being in hie at the time
2019-06-04 03:01:46	mpickering	I think that would work, as long as you configure the bios correctly. If all the stuff I moved from ghc-mod is into hie-plugin-api
2019-06-04 03:01:54	mpickering	but I think it is, like the module cache and so on
2019-06-04 03:01:57	alanz	And to do that I think hie-plugin-api might have to be split into two parts, one for the API down into the hie-bios, module graph, module loading etc
2019-06-04 03:02:08	alanz	and one part to actually run the stuff
2019-06-04 03:02:30	alanz	mpickering, agree, and it is now, via my recent work on things
2019-06-04 03:02:41	alanz	which i suspect is why your merge was so complex
2019-06-04 03:03:00	mpickering	yes I suspect I got some of that merge wrong but it will become clear when everything comes together what needs to be fixed
2019-06-04 03:03:05	alanz	stuff moved from hie into hie-plugin-api, that used to be in the hie GhcMod module
2019-06-04 03:18:10	shapr	is it still working housr in UK?
2019-06-04 03:20:16	shapr	so where would I find the tests for the hie integration?
2019-06-04 03:25:33	shapr	mpickering: any tips on how to run the hie integration tests for the hie-bios branch?
2019-06-04 03:25:58	mpickering	no it's not been working hours for 5 hours 
2019-06-04 03:26:32	mpickering	in theory you run `cabal new-test` I think
2019-06-04 03:26:42	mpickering	in practice, this is going to be painful so unless you really want to do it then don't
2019-06-04 03:26:54	mpickering	because I think the test target won't compile 
2019-06-04 03:27:09	mpickering	I just think this was a bad idea, I need to fix so much stuff myself lol
2019-06-04 03:27:48	shapr	mpickering: how could I help?
2019-06-04 03:29:51	mpickering	if you could get the test target at least compiling that would help
2019-06-04 03:29:55	mpickering	but in order to make progress
2019-06-04 03:30:05	mpickering	I'm a bit blocked on alan extracting hare from ghc-mod
2019-06-04 03:30:10	mpickering	which he has already mostly done I think
2019-06-04 03:31:02	shapr	error: Server does not allow request for unadvertised object 1a4a721cfd6843311af518cdac735b03105bb8b8
2019-06-04 03:31:02	shapr	Fetched in submodule path 'haskell-lsp', but it did not contain 1a4a721cfd6843311af518cdac735b03105bb8b8. Direct fetching of that commit failed.
2019-06-04 03:31:04	mpickering	despite what I have been saying, the branch does work to provide diagnostics and so on
2019-06-04 03:31:17	mpickering	err I thought I fixed that
2019-06-04 03:31:20	shapr	that's from "git submodule update --recursive --init" in the hie-bios branch of your fork
2019-06-04 03:31:46	mpickering	`e132d5465f85e17b884086bc150a80c6233cfda8`
2019-06-04 03:31:49	mpickering	that commit?
2019-06-04 03:32:08	shapr	seems to be a2b7126118ec968f91104747291e45e1e1259923 ?
2019-06-04 03:32:25	shapr	hm, that's weird
2019-06-04 03:32:33	mpickering	that's the commit on mater
2019-06-04 03:32:35	mpickering	*master
2019-06-04 03:34:22	shapr	ok I got e132d5465f85e17b884086bc150a80c6233cfda8 and I have the same or similar error
2019-06-04 03:34:33	mpickering	did you run git submodule sync?
2019-06-04 03:34:36	shapr	error: Server does not allow request for unadvertised object 43476965b5d715f7fcdadd9e14d5e0c53cdb9385
2019-06-04 03:34:37	shapr	Fetched in submodule path 'submodules/ghc-mod', but it did not contain 43476965b5d715f7fcdadd9e14d5e0c53cdb9385. Direct fetching of that commit failed.
2019-06-04 03:34:48	shapr	oh, whoops
2019-06-04 03:34:52	shapr	that works
2019-06-04 03:35:02	shapr	I still miss darcs :-|
2019-06-04 03:35:08	mpickering	yeah, my office mate did exactly the same as you 
2019-06-04 03:35:14	mpickering	which prompted me to fix it
2019-06-04 03:35:56	shapr	cabal new-build
2019-06-04 03:35:57	shapr	Warning: /home/shae/build/haskell-ide-engine/cabal.project: Unrecognized field 'ghc-options' on line 15
2019-06-04 03:35:57	shapr	When using configuration(s) from /home/shae/build/haskell-ide-engine/cabal.project, the following errors occurred:
2019-06-04 03:35:59	shapr	The package directory './submodules/brittany' does not contain any .cabal file.
2019-06-04 03:36:02	shapr	and now for your next batch of errors
2019-06-04 03:36:29	mpickering	go into submodules/brittany
2019-06-04 03:36:38	shapr	yes?
2019-06-04 03:36:40	mpickering	and undo all the files being deleted
2019-06-04 03:36:48	mpickering	I have no idea why that happens
2019-06-04 03:36:51	mpickering	but also happened to him
2019-06-04 03:36:53	shapr	uh
2019-06-04 03:37:28	shapr	huh, weird ... staged changes includes everything being deleted
2019-06-04 03:38:17	shapr	yay, my laptop is heating up
2019-06-04 03:38:52	mpickering	`new-build` should work
2019-06-04 03:38:58	mpickering	and produce a usable hie executable
2019-06-04 03:39:33	shapr	I went for new-test as you suggested earlier. Let's see how much ram I can use today!
2019-06-04 03:54:36	shapr	not bad, 4.8GB max
2019-06-04 03:54:55	 *	shapr digs through list of failures
2019-06-04 03:59:10	shapr	Why is hlint failing to build?
2019-06-04 04:01:56	mpickering	Does new-build work?
2019-06-04 04:02:22	shapr	nope, fails on hlint-2.1.22
2019-06-04 04:02:46	mpickering	it worked about a week ago
2019-06-04 04:02:57	shapr	    • Constructor ‘Settings’ does not have the required strict field(s): sGhcNameVersion,
2019-06-04 04:03:24	shapr	perhaps the version range needs more restrictions?
2019-06-04 04:03:41	mpickering	I think the cabal.project file has allow-newer: all in
2019-06-04 04:03:45	mpickering	which is quite a big hammer
2019-06-04 04:05:53	 *	shapr looks for smaller hammers
2019-06-04 04:06:21	shapr	"allow-newer: floskell:all"
2019-06-04 04:06:47	mpickering	that probably isn't needed either
2019-06-04 04:06:59	shapr	that's all I see in ~/build/hie/cabal.project
2019-06-04 04:07:08	shapr	well, in the top level git clone
2019-06-04 04:08:24	shapr	yeah, that's all I can find with ripgrep
2019-06-04 04:08:46	shapr	mpickering: where do you see the allow-newer you mentioned?
2019-06-04 04:08:58	shapr	or if it's too late at night, perhaps I can check back tomorrow?
2019-06-04 04:09:03	mpickering	oh right
2019-06-04 04:09:06	mpickering	yes I need to go to bed
2019-06-04 04:09:07	shapr	I'd like to force some of these thunks :-)
2019-06-04 04:09:13	shapr	but not to the detriment of your sleep!
2019-06-04 04:09:20	mpickering	so it looks like hlint is legitimately broken
2019-06-04 04:09:29	mpickering	you can try forcing an earlier version perhaps
2019-06-04 04:09:32	shapr	oh, same for you?
2019-06-04 04:09:33	mpickering	or run cabal new-update
2019-06-04 04:09:35	mpickering	and then try again
2019-06-04 04:09:38	mpickering	I didn't try
2019-06-04 04:09:53	 *	shapr updates and tries again
2019-06-04 04:10:05	shapr	I need to find some way to convince ghc to use more ram
2019-06-04 04:10:15	shapr	same failure after new-update
2019-06-04 04:10:35	mpickering	try restricting the hlint version?
2019-06-04 04:10:40	mpickering	to 2.1.18 or something
2019-06-04 04:10:46	shapr	sure
2019-06-04 04:11:08	shapr	2.1.17 if the red numbers on hackage mean build failure: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/hlint
2019-06-04 04:11:38	 *	shapr gets rid of the 2.1.22 allowance
2019-06-04 04:12:57	mpickering	deprecated I think
2019-06-04 04:14:27	shapr	it builds!
2019-06-04 04:15:45	mpickering	https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/#/package/hlint/2.1.22/ghc-8.6.5@1559592585
2019-06-04 04:16:15	shapr	oh, I'm using 8.6.4 ! 
2019-06-04 04:17:55	shapr	mpickering: good find
2019-06-04 04:18:21	shapr	mpickering: ok, I'll check back tomorrow earlier in the day
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2019-06-04 23:21:28	fendor	can I abort the ci for commits that I *know* wont succeed? 
2019-06-04 23:35:03	fendor	there is indeed a cancel button
2019-06-04 23:35:05	fendor	sweet
2019-06-04 23:43:45	fendor	damn me, can I abort appveyor builds as well? 
2019-06-04 23:43:54	fendor	dont want to wait until the end of times until that is built
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2019-06-05 07:42:48	zeta_0	hello guys, is there an easy way to fix this(i am using nixos):
2019-06-05 07:42:52	zeta_0	Mismatching GHC versions: Project is 8.6.4, HIE is 8.6.5
2019-06-05 07:42:52	zeta_0	You may want to use hie-wrapper. Check the README for more information
2019-06-05 07:45:26	zeta_0	will ghc version mismatches cause problems because it seems to be working?
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2019-06-05 14:51:49	mpickering	anyone know about this? https://github.com/digital-asset/daml/tree/master/compiler/haskell-ide-core
2019-06-05 14:53:35	mpickering	I don't see how it will work based on ghc-lib though because ghc-lib doesn't work with template haskell
2019-06-05 14:56:47	jose_zap	mpickering maybe they are only targeting a subset of haskell?
2019-06-05 14:59:08	mpickering	I don't think you will get very far if you can't compile template-haskell
2019-06-05 14:59:27	mpickering	perhaps cocreature could explain
2019-06-05 15:01:35	cocreature	mpickering: you can compile it against regular ghc
2019-06-05 15:02:43	cocreature	but it’s not quite in a usable state so far
2019-06-05 15:03:08	mpickering	how do you setup a GHC session?
2019-06-05 15:03:58	cocreature	for the Haskell version our plan is to piggyback on your hie-bios work
2019-06-05 15:04:45	mpickering	oh, that sounds good
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2019-06-05 17:41:25	cocreature	is there a reason why haskell-lsp parses json-rpc headers by repeatedly consuming one character, appending it to the end, trying to parse it until it succeeds?
2019-06-05 17:41:40	cocreature	That seems rather inefficient compared to throwing something like attoparsec at it that can do incremental parsing
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2019-06-05 17:55:28	mpickering	cocreature: is it a bottleneck? 
2019-06-05 17:58:03	mpickering	cocreature: Is this ide project quite a big duplication of effort? I see there is something in there about hie files as well which zubin is also working on
2019-06-05 17:58:43	mpickering	It's not clear to me what advantage there is from starting from scratch rather than deleting all the code in hie which implements plugins
2019-06-05 18:07:31	cocreature	probably not a bottleneck, I just stumbled upon it and it looked weird.
2019-06-05 18:08:28	cocreature	There is definitely some duplication here but making HIE work as a DAML IDE is probably not feasible (at this point, if we were starting from scratch this would be a different story) and we want to at least try to see how the stuff we have holds up as a Haskell IDE
2019-06-05 18:10:29	cocreature	the effort required to make our stuff work on Haskell is relatively low and mostly involves refactoring and cleanup that benefits us anyway
2019-06-05 18:21:41	mpickering	wz1000: You should look at this as they use HIE files
2019-06-05 18:21:57	mpickering	in particular there is a comment that HIE files contain relative paths which are useless
2019-06-05 18:22:27	mpickering	https://github.com/digital-asset/daml/blob/master/compiler/haskell-ide-core/src/Development/IDE/Functions/AtPoint.hs#L89
2019-06-05 18:25:11	wz1000	mpickering: yeah, if you generate the hie file, you know the base path they are relative too
2019-06-05 18:25:34	wz1000	all the srcspans also contain relative paths
2019-06-05 18:26:09	wz1000	and I think the module name is available too
2019-06-05 18:26:49	wz1000	so if you have a mapping of module names to file paths, you can use that
2019-06-05 18:28:04	mpickering	I think trying to use some of this code would end up being very inefficient if used on GHC for example
2019-06-05 18:28:26	wz1000	which code?
2019-06-05 18:29:11	mpickering	it doesn't look like any queries are cached
2019-06-05 18:29:24	mpickering	They are using the hie_exports field I added though, that's good
2019-06-05 18:29:50	cocreature	we do get caching from the Shake layer
2019-06-05 18:30:16	cocreature	at least we should, I wouldn’t be surprised if we messed it up for some cases :)
2019-06-05 18:30:42	wz1000	how would shake help you with caching of queries?
2019-06-05 18:30:55	mpickering	The IdeOptions part looks very naive 
2019-06-05 18:31:01	wz1000	Its based on the intero/ghci :set +c stuff?
2019-06-05 18:31:18	mpickering	cocreature: What does shake do here? 
2019-06-05 18:31:41	cocreature	we basically wrapped everything in a layer of Shake that takes care that we only recompute if something changed
2019-06-05 18:31:56	mpickering	The GHC API already does that?
2019-06-05 18:32:04	mpickering	What does using shake add?
2019-06-05 18:32:51	cocreature	well we aren’t using the GHC API for everything. You have to keep in mind that this didn’t originate as a Haskell IDE.
2019-06-05 18:34:20	mpickering	It seems a lot of the functions don't live in the Ghc monad?
2019-06-05 18:35:14	mpickering	It would be good to understand why reimplementing the dependency management using shake works better
2019-06-05 18:35:32	mpickering	it adds quite a bit of complexity in order to faithfully replicate the GHC API
2019-06-05 18:36:42	cocreature	not sure I have a great answer for that apart from the fact that it allows us to treat anyform uniformly so we only have one caching mechanism for GHC stuff and non-GHC stuff which is quite convenient and avoids issues where the two don’t agree.
2019-06-05 18:37:00	mpickering	what non-ghc stuff do you have in mind?
2019-06-05 18:37:07	cocreature	DAML-specific stuff
2019-06-05 18:37:18	mpickering	OK
2019-06-05 18:37:32	cocreature	might be easier to chat about some of this in person at ZuriHac, most of our team should be there.
2019-06-05 18:39:00	mpickering	ok, I am quite skeptical that any reimplemention of he downsweep logic will be correct but it makes sense why you did it
2019-06-05 18:39:12	mpickering	looks like it will be easy to integrate with hie-bios though
2019-06-05 18:39:26	mpickering	so I can try your stuff out on GHC as a proper stress test
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2019-06-05 22:40:16	alanz	cocreature, "is there a reason why haskell-lsp parses json-rpc headers by repeatedly consuming one character, appending it to the end, trying to parse it until it succeeds?"
2019-06-05 22:40:38	alanz	It's to allow resyncing of the stream, I think
2019-06-05 22:40:48	alanz	but it is inherited from phoityne
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2019-06-05 22:51:28	cocreature	alanz: what exactly do you ean by “resyncing” here?
2019-06-05 23:07:05	alanz	cocreature, I guess if one side sends a garbled message, then this way will pick up the header of the next one
2019-06-05 23:07:20	alanz	I don't think that cabapility is actually needed though
2019-06-05 23:10:14	cocreature	alanz: I am not sure I understand how reading character by character helps with that. if your message is garbled reading character by character will still never get you to the point where you can successfully parse the header
2019-06-05 23:14:20	alanz	I have not looked at the code recently, but as I recall it is sort of a FSM, where it looks for the first char of the header ,if it matches it carries on. Else it keeps trying
2019-06-05 23:14:39	alanz	but I inherited it, can't actually comment on its intention
2019-06-05 23:16:32	cocreature	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Control.hs#L99 this is the code I’m referring to. if the parse fails you just append another character to the end. if there is ever any garbage in buf, e.g., if the first character is not a "C" then appending to the end will not recover from a garbled buf
2019-06-05 23:18:19	alanz	cocreature, I agree, it does not do what I thought
2019-06-05 23:18:32	alanz	and your proposed change could be fine with it.
2019-06-05 23:18:39	alanz	Happy to accept a PR
2019-06-05 23:19:11	cocreature	Great, I’ll try to make a patch (although as I mentioned before, it’s not particularly urgent. I was just wondering if I was missing something here)
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2019-06-05 23:19:31	alanz	It worked, I kind of just carried on from there.
2019-06-05 23:20:19	cocreature	yeah that’s a pretty good approach :)
2019-06-05 23:23:18	alanz	There are enough yaks in the world, they don't all need to be shaved
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2019-06-06 02:20:32	zeta_0	hello guys, it seems like lsp hie is working when i open a haskell file but i am getting a couple of warnings on the load-up information, should i fix them? https://hastebin.com/badojeluta.sql
2019-06-06 02:21:31	alanz	zeta_0, the critical lines are 5 and 6
2019-06-06 02:22:05	alanz	hie-wrapper checks the ghc in the project (8.6.5) and launches the right hie for it (hie-8.6.5)
2019-06-06 02:22:21	alanz	at least in non-nix environments
2019-06-06 02:22:45	alanz	for nix, make sure the hie you have installed is the 8.6.5 one, for this project. If that is how it works
2019-06-06 02:23:20	zeta_0	alanz: ok, and what about the flymake warning, should i worry about that?
2019-06-06 02:24:07	alanz	zeta_0, not sure, to be honest.
2019-06-06 02:24:23	alanz	It may go away with the right hie
2019-06-06 02:24:56	alanz	iirc, I switched my emacs-lsp (or lsp-ui) to use flycheck instead of flymake, which seems to work better
2019-06-06 02:25:03	alanz	or did when I looked and changed it
2019-06-06 02:26:08	alanz	So I end up with "'(lsp-prefer-flymake nil)"
2019-06-06 02:26:23	alanz	in my custom-set-variables
2019-06-06 02:30:29	zeta_0	alanz: ok, so i installed `all-hies.latest` and `ghcWithHoogle` nix packages in home.nix so i don't know why there is a version mismatch? and i am not sure how to setup `hie-wrapper` with nix in home.nix?
2019-06-06 02:31:14	alanz	zeta_0, I cannot help you with the nix config. Perhaps infinisil can?
2019-06-06 02:33:26	zeta_0	alanz: ok, i'll ask him, it looks like he is in this channel so lets see
2019-06-06 02:34:09	infinisil	zeta_0: If you want a specific HIE version, you need to use `all-hies.versions.ghc864` or so
2019-06-06 02:34:32	infinisil	Or better with `all-hies.selection { selector = p: { inherit (p) ghc864; }; }`
2019-06-06 02:34:45	infinisil	And add all versions you need
2019-06-06 02:35:01	 *	alanz thanks infinisil 
2019-06-06 02:35:35	 *	alanz wonders whether zeta_0 should make a PR on all-hies documentation
2019-06-06 02:35:36	infinisil	I should've never added a .latest attribute, it's almost never what you want
2019-06-06 02:36:05	infinisil	I already removed any mention to .latest from the readme recently at least, and now only the selector thing is mentioned
2019-06-06 02:36:28	alanz	ideally it should tie in to the ghc exposed for the project, I would imagine. In nix
2019-06-06 02:36:47	alanz	in some automatic way
2019-06-06 02:37:22	infinisil	alanz: Yeah, I intentionally made it use the standard Nix GHC names like "ghc864" instead of something else so you could do that easily
2019-06-06 02:38:06	alanz	nice
2019-06-06 02:39:12	infinisil	So for a project specific editor config you could do `let compiler = "ghc864"; in < construct a shell with haskell.packages.${compiler} and all-hies.versions.${compiler} >`
2019-06-06 02:39:45	alanz	Sounds like something that should be in the readme somewhere
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2019-06-06 02:40:46	zeta_0	oh, i was not sure what version to install so i did .latest, just so you guys can see, here is my haskell and hie piece of code in home.nix: https://hastebin.com/ulinavuhov.py https://hastebin.com/badojeluta.sql
2019-06-06 02:41:43	infinisil	zeta_0: Yeah so you should use .selection instead
2019-06-06 02:42:23	infinisil	alanz: Good point, I should do that
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2019-06-06 02:43:38	alanz	infinisil, I try to update docs whenever I have to answer questions, it saves future users from having to bug you again
2019-06-06 02:44:50	infinisil	Yeah
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2019-06-06 02:48:43	zeta_0	infinisil: what is the difference between `.versions` and `.selection`?
2019-06-06 02:49:18	infinisil	zeta_0: .selection allows you to have multiple versions installed
2019-06-06 02:49:45	infinisil	Without problems
2019-06-06 02:50:39	infinisil	I should make a better interface for it though
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2019-06-06 02:56:01	zeta_0	infinisil: oh ok, that makes sense now
2019-06-06 02:57:09	zeta_0	thanks for the help guys, i'll let you guys know if i was able to fix the ghc mismatch error
2019-06-06 03:08:30	zeta_0	infinisil: i was told in order for hoogle to work with hie i need ghcWithHoogle but if i want to upgrade to a new ghc version down the road how would i do that(for example: is there an option like: haskellPackages.ghc866WithHoogle, i can't seem to find an option like that in nix packages website)?
2019-06-06 03:10:58	infinisil	Well I don't have much of a clue, but just with a `hoogle generate` you'll probably get a decent global database going
2019-06-06 03:13:55	zeta_0	infinisil: ok, but do i still need ghcWithHoogle? one of the other programmers told me if i did not use this option hoogle would not be integrated with hie and generated, that is why i did not use the haskellPackages.ghc`version` option instead?
2019-06-06 03:15:29	infinisil	Not really sure, but I don't have the time to look into it right now
2019-06-06 03:15:53	zeta_0	infinisil: that's fine
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2019-06-06 04:34:33	zeta_0	alanz, infinisil: the ghc mismatch is fixed, thanks for the help
2019-06-06 04:36:04	zeta_0	alanz: i am still getting that flymake warning and i have no idea why?
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2019-06-06 05:51:58	ktonga	hi there, hie seems to be working really well for me in neovim except for when i open test files, it seems hie has problems loading modules that are only test dependencies like tasty. any workaround for that? Thanks!! 
2019-06-06 06:00:01	ktonga	oh, to be clear im not using stack, i build my project with nix+cabal new-build
2019-06-06 06:43:44	dxld	ktonga: I think eveyone's gone to bed :)
2019-06-06 06:45:29	ktonga	sorry Im in sydney :) maybe i'll try again at my night
2019-06-06 06:46:10	dxld	but maybe I can help, have you tried new-configure --enable-tests
2019-06-06 06:46:26	dxld	if the problem is what I think it is that might fix things
2019-06-06 06:46:39	ktonga	when? before opening neovim? or as part of the launch server command?
2019-06-06 06:46:47	dxld	whenever really
2019-06-06 06:47:09	dxld	that just writes `tests: True` in cabal.project.local :)
2019-06-06 06:47:25	ktonga	lemme try
2019-06-06 06:47:43	dxld	the problem is cabal doesn't even mention the test targets in the buildinfo hie reads (sometimes)
2019-06-06 06:48:05	dxld	and if you enable them explicitly they show up
2019-06-06 06:48:28	dxld	but in general new-build is still very flaky with hie because the implementation is a huge hack ;)
2019-06-06 06:49:32	ktonga	nope, i ran it and i can see it enabled in the .local file but still get the same diagnostic when i open the test module
2019-06-06 06:49:51	dxld	what is the error?
2019-06-06 06:50:32	ktonga	`Could not load module ‘Test.Tasty’  It is a member of the hidden package ‘tasty-1.2’.  Perhaps you need to add ‘tasty’ to the build-depends in your .cabal file.  Use -v to see a list of the files searched for.`
2019-06-06 06:50:54	ktonga	but it is a dep but only for the tests
2019-06-06 06:51:00	dxld	mhm
2019-06-06 06:51:09	dxld	then I dunno what's going on
2019-06-06 06:51:19	ktonga	it seems it's trying to compile it using main lib deps
2019-06-06 06:51:19	dxld	I don't know much about the HIE specifics yet
2019-06-06 06:51:39	dxld	I just developed a lot of the underlying stuff
2019-06-06 06:52:17	dxld	but as an ugly workaround I would just add the dependency to the other components :P
2019-06-06 06:53:17	ktonga	i think it's something related to the fact that cabal does not support multi target as stack does
2019-06-06 06:53:28	ktonga	same happens to me when using ghcid
2019-06-06 06:53:32	dxld	could very well be true
2019-06-06 06:53:47	ktonga	i have to be explicit about working with the main lib vs the tests
2019-06-06 06:53:57	ktonga	it's a real PITA
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2019-06-06 06:53:59	dxld	the new-build support is highly naive currently
2019-06-06 06:54:44	dxld	as luck would have it I'm doing a GSoC project to remidy that though :)
2019-06-06 06:55:44	ktonga	that sounds good mate, thanks for taking the time to improve haskell devs' lifes :)
2019-06-06 06:56:44	dxld	what GHC version are you using GHC with btw?
2019-06-06 06:56:53	dxld	s/GHC/HIE/ :)
2019-06-06 06:57:35	ktonga	`Version 0.10.0.0 x86_64 ghc-8.6.4`
2019-06-06 06:57:41	dxld	an nice
2019-06-06 06:57:42	ktonga	i guess it's the latest
2019-06-06 06:58:01	dxld	we were having a discussion about just how many people are likely stuck on old GHC releases
2019-06-06 06:58:03	ktonga	i just switched from nix-hie to all-hie
2019-06-06 06:58:33	dxld	as my work will likely require GHC>=8.8 or even >=8.10
2019-06-06 06:59:09	ktonga	im ready to upgrade :P
2019-06-06 06:59:31	dxld	yeah, you should be good then
2019-06-06 07:00:07	dxld	I'm still hoping to get the GHC teaks we need into 8.8 but it's not clear atm if the release manager will let that swath of patches in
2019-06-06 07:00:13	dxld	the release is way behind as it is
2019-06-06 07:00:43	ktonga	can you point me to it? im curious
2019-06-06 07:00:56	dxld	sure, https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/1089
2019-06-06 07:05:12	ktonga	cool! i hope it gets merged on time 
2019-06-06 07:05:40	dxld	it's not so much a question about time
2019-06-06 07:05:47	dxld	and more about complexity and risk
2019-06-06 07:06:06	dxld	we are very late in the release process and this does touch some core stuff
2019-06-06 07:06:20	dxld	but ben is aware of it and the fact we need it for HIE so we'll see
2019-06-06 07:29:03	ktonga	:dxld I just read through your proposal and I <3 it, thank you so much again
2019-06-06 07:30:19	dxld	unfortunately section 2 is already falling apart :)
2019-06-06 07:30:36	dxld	turns out what I wanted to do wont work
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2019-06-07 14:12:29	mpickering	wz1000: What's the latest with the hie-lsif branch, ready to merge?
2019-06-07 14:21:36	wz1000	mpickering: yeah, pretty much
2019-06-07 14:21:55	wz1000	I couldn't think of any obvious ways to compress/improve the output
2019-06-07 14:22:22	wz1000	You already made a lot of use of ResultSet etc, which is the mechanism provided by the spec
2019-06-07 14:26:29	mpickering	ok, it's a bit worrying though isn't it that our output is 10x bigger
2019-06-07 14:27:18	mpickering	I suppose we could have some configuration later which only outputs references to top-level stuff
2019-06-07 14:27:44	mpickering	So now you're getting on with the type class evidence and HieDb stuff?
2019-06-07 14:46:35	wz1000	yes, hiedb should be ready in a few days. I'm using sqlite to persist the db
2019-06-07 14:47:29	wz1000	well, vscode-hie-server is not a big piece of code, especially compared to lens
2019-06-07 14:48:51	wz1000	in the vscode-hie-server directory:
2019-06-07 14:49:09	wz1000	$ cat **/*.ts | wc -l
2019-06-07 14:49:11	wz1000	800
2019-06-07 14:49:17	wz1000	and in lens,
2019-06-07 14:49:26	wz1000	$ cat **/*.hs | wc -l
2019-06-07 14:49:30	wz1000	32506
2019-06-07 14:49:50	wz1000	so 10x output size isn't too bad :p
2019-06-07 14:51:01	mpickering	OK, sounds fine
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2019-06-07 15:34:26	wz1000	mpickering: I'll update the README for hie-lsif, and then you can merge it
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2019-06-08 03:05:17	zeta_0	alanz, shapr, infinisil: hello guys, i am still having a couple of problems with hie, i was wondering if you could help me fix them?
2019-06-08 03:10:52	zeta_0	in emacs when i hover the cursor over something like putStrLn and hoogle shows the haddock for it but i can only see part of it on the screen, i am using xmonad only(no desktop environment or anything else) so maybe that is why? also flymake keeps on throwing out errors and i am not even using it, i am using flycheck?
2019-06-08 03:12:51	zeta_0	also i am not sure if the auto-complete is working, it seems to be throwing out errors as well?
2019-06-08 03:13:58	zeta_0	infinisil: do you have any ideas on how i can fix these problems?
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2019-06-09 02:25:04	lukelau	alanz: ping
2019-06-09 02:25:18	alanz	lukelau, pong
2019-06-09 02:25:28	alanz	1.35 is the vscode release number
2019-06-09 02:25:33	lukelau	Yeah
2019-06-09 02:25:38	alanz	as in the number on the deb package
2019-06-09 02:25:58	lukelau	It’s separate from the actual vscode-languageclient package though
2019-06-09 02:26:04	alanz	YEs, but https://www.npmjs.com/package/vscode-languageclient
2019-06-09 02:26:06	lukelau	I think the two can operate independently
2019-06-09 02:26:13	alanz	shows 5.2.1
2019-06-09 02:26:33	alanz	and iirc from before, that suffix means the dev version
2019-06-09 02:26:43	lukelau	Yeah, it’s not released yet
2019-06-09 02:26:54	alanz	So in my mind, if it works with 5.2.1, we should publish that
2019-06-09 02:27:01	lukelau	It doesn’t work with 5.2.1 though
2019-06-09 02:27:08	alanz	damn
2019-06-09 02:27:18	alanz	well, I guess we have to wait a bit longer then?
2019-06-09 02:27:20	lukelau	Yeah, its just that one PR that we need which just got merged after
2019-06-09 02:27:23	lukelau	I think so
2019-06-09 02:27:35	alanz	A pity. 
2019-06-09 02:27:38	lukelau	They’re on 5.3.0-next7 at the moment lol
2019-06-09 02:27:51	lukelau	I’ve never seen an npm package take stability this seriously before
2019-06-09 02:28:19	alanz	My concern is that it must work for someone running vscode stable
2019-06-09 02:28:32	lukelau	I’m running vscode stable at the moment
2019-06-09 02:28:34	alanz	What versions are under the hood is not that critical
2019-06-09 02:28:39	lukelau	It was even working on the older versions
2019-06-09 02:28:43	lukelau	1.33
2019-06-09 02:28:45	alanz	ok
2019-06-09 02:28:52	lukelau	As long as we don’t touch the engine, its ok
2019-06-09 02:28:54	alanz	Well, then I misunderstood things
2019-06-09 02:29:03	lukelau	Yeah thats what I wanted to clear up with you
2019-06-09 02:29:10	alanz	I guess I need to test again
2019-06-09 02:29:22	lukelau	The engine (from what I learnt today) bounds what versions of vscode can run the extension
2019-06-09 02:29:44	alanz	ok
2019-06-09 02:29:53	lukelau	 vscode-languageclient I guess then determines the version of LSP spec
2019-06-09 02:30:00	alanz	Yes
2019-06-09 02:30:46	alanz	So long as the extension can install  via the standard process in the current stable vscode, I am ok with whatever version we have in there
2019-06-09 02:31:09	alanz	And if it means people must update their stable to current, imo that is ok
2019-06-09 02:31:23	alanz	so long as it does not need an unstable/dev versin
2019-06-09 02:31:37	lukelau	vscode seems to be pretty good at keeping people up to date with the auto-update at next launch thing
2019-06-09 02:32:25	alanz	yes
2019-06-09 02:32:27	lukelau	I’m running that branch on vscode 1.35 at the moment, it seems to be working pretty well
2019-06-09 02:32:34	alanz	ok, great
2019-06-09 02:32:37	lukelau	By the way what happened to the diagnostics? they got a lot cleaner
2019-06-09 02:33:13	alanz	Maybe it is the markdown that came in? or was that just for hover?
2019-06-09 02:33:22	lukelau	I think the markdown is just for hover right?
2019-06-09 02:33:27	alanz	Not actually sure, have not really used it much lately
2019-06-09 02:33:45	lukelau	By the way, now that cocreature got lsp-test working on windows, I can start to see if we can run the tests on windows via power-fungus’s azure CI
2019-06-09 02:33:46	alanz	My available time is limited at the moment, real world intruding too much
2019-06-09 02:33:53	alanz	awesome
2019-06-09 02:33:55	lukelau	same here
2019-06-09 02:34:06	alanz	yes, I have noticed
2019-06-09 02:34:21	alanz	its fine, these things have a rythm, sometimes you can do more, sometimes less
2019-06-09 02:34:44	lukelau	Working a 9-5 job programming turned out to not be great for my hobby programming
2019-06-09 02:34:45	alanz	For me that is what definess open source stuff vs paid stuff
2019-06-09 02:34:50	alanz	exactly
2019-06-09 02:34:59	lukelau	the last thing i want to do when getting back from coding for 8 hours straight is do more coding
2019-06-09 02:35:03	alanz	Only so much you can get out of one brain in a day
2019-06-09 02:35:23	lukelau	It’s good to see that this channel has been very active though :)
2019-06-09 02:35:34	lukelau	I presume there’s been lots of gsoc’ing
2019-06-09 02:35:37	alanz	I agree, I think we have hit a criticl mass
2019-06-09 02:35:42	alanz	which is great
2019-06-09 02:36:41	alanz	yes, and mpickering is working closely on the .hie stuff, and dxld is pretty much head down doing stuff
2019-06-09 02:36:55	alanz	So I think it is on track.
2019-06-09 02:37:23	alanz	Will look more closely next week, travelling at the moment. Again.
2019-06-09 02:38:39	lukelau	Safe travels. You’re not heading to zurihac are you?
2019-06-09 02:39:35	alanz	I wish. No, Johannesburg at the moment
2019-06-09 02:40:17	alanz	maybe next year
2019-06-09 02:43:05	lukelau	I was too late to the tickets, but I think we will have a few hie representatives from this channel there!
2019-06-09 02:50:53	alanz	nice
2019-06-09 03:05:57	mpickering	lukelau: Might not be too late still..
2019-06-09 03:18:20	lukelau	mpickering: I only joined the waitlist today
2019-06-09 03:18:22	lukelau	haha
2019-06-09 03:25:19	mpickering	go on the slack and ask if there's any chance of getting in
2019-06-09 03:25:26	mpickering	the waitlist has been cleared a lot of times so far
2019-06-09 03:39:29	shapr	I'm excited to see end-users trying out .hie
2019-06-09 07:23:39	infinisil	What is .hie?
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2019-06-09 17:58:05	lukelau	infinisil: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/wikis/hie-files
2019-06-09 17:58:56	lukelau	wz1000’s project last summer, basically like a .hi file but with more information that can be used by tools
2019-06-09 17:58:59	lukelau	like hie
2019-06-09 17:59:19	lukelau	it stands for HI extended, not haskell ide engine confusingly enough haha
2019-06-09 17:59:20	infinisil	Ohh neat
2019-06-09 17:59:34	infinisil	Yeah that confused me at first
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2019-06-09 22:02:51	cocreature	If I try to run the func-tests, I end up with "Progress 8/9: haskell-ide-engine-0.10.0.0Warming up HIE cache...
2019-06-09 22:02:53	cocreature	func-test: stack: createProcess: runInteractiveProcess: exec: does not exist (No such file or directory)
2019-06-09 22:03:15	cocreature	has anyone seen this before? Not quite sure what I’m doing wrong and I keep forgetting how I need to interpret process’ error messages
2019-06-09 22:04:56	cocreature	oh I have an idea
2019-06-09 22:11:39	cocreature	hm no
2019-06-09 22:16:57	mpickering	cocreature: do you have stack installed? 
2019-06-09 22:18:27	cocreature	mpickering: yeah I’m running "stack test --stack-yaml ghc-8.6.4.yaml haskell-ide-engine:test:func-test". I even installed it globally now (via /etc/configuration.nix), thinking that maybe stack’s nix integration messes with the path so despite having stack available in a nix shell it might not be in PATH inside of the test
2019-06-09 22:18:57	cocreature	I guess maybe the nix integration prunes the path, let me check
2019-06-09 22:19:00	mpickering	Sounds likely to me
2019-06-09 22:19:16	mpickering	Stack's nix integration is very half baked in my experience
2019-06-09 22:19:33	cocreature	yeah but running things via new-build didn’t seem to go very well either (there’s also an open issue about it)
2019-06-09 22:20:00	cocreature	looks like it defaults to a pure shell, let me try changing that
2019-06-09 22:20:21	cocreature	nice, that did the trick, thanks mpickering!
2019-06-09 22:30:57	lukelau	cocreature: you can run the tests with `cabal v2-run`, but not `cabal v2-test`
2019-06-09 22:31:14	lukelau	For some reason cabal changes up the PATH, which sends cabal-helper into a spiral
2019-06-09 22:31:45	cocreature	lukelau: I thought you ran into another problem when you tried that?
2019-06-09 22:32:38	cocreature	oh I see that only happens if you add it to build-tool-depends
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2019-06-10 03:54:08	lukelau	cocreature: its been a while since i last looked at it, but yeah it was something along those lines
2019-06-10 03:54:22	lukelau	i think i commented it somewhere on a github issue?
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2019-06-10 20:53:03	lukelau_	cocreature, fendor: Thanks for the help with getting lsp-test working on windows! Got CI set up for it now https://travis-ci.com/bubba/lsp-test/jobs/206737384
2019-06-10 20:53:37	lukelau_	Now just got to get hie working for some of the test cases
2019-06-10 20:54:12	cocreature	nice work lukelau_!
2019-06-10 20:54:17	fendor	lukelau_, hooray! well done!
2019-06-10 20:55:36	lukelau_	Do you know what the status is with power fungus's azure branch?
2019-06-10 20:56:16	fendor	for some reason, the tests fail
2019-06-10 20:56:29	fendor	we got it working for the latest stack configuration
2019-06-10 20:56:42	lukelau_	this is on linux right?
2019-06-10 20:56:52	fendor	everything, windows, mac and linux
2019-06-10 20:57:37	fendor	https://dev.azure.com/haskell-ide-engine/haskell-ide-engine-power-fungus/_build/results?buildId=44
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2019-06-10 20:58:42	fendor	sometimes tests faail due to temporary network issues, sometimes tests fail, in this case not a single build succeeded, but previously, at least, linux stack-def worked
2019-06-10 20:59:15	fendor	my theory is that the hoogle db is not correctly generated
2019-06-10 20:59:43	cocreature	There are also the “
2019-06-10 20:59:44	lukelau_	Yeah
2019-06-10 20:59:44	cocreature	    func-test: Couldn't read Content-Length header
2019-06-10 20:59:46	cocreature	errosr
2019-06-10 20:59:58	cocreature	I get the same errors locally but it seems to be flaky
2019-06-10 21:00:03	lukelau_	I just noticed that the `hoogle generate` isn't being called
2019-06-10 21:00:07	cocreature	and it doesn’t make the tests fail which seems somewhat suspicious
2019-06-10 21:00:10	lukelau_	Stick that in before you run the tests
2019-06-10 21:00:57	lukelau_	cocreature: is that the one that you fixed in your PR?
2019-06-10 21:01:06	fendor	imo it should be called: https://github.com/power-fungus/haskell-ide-engine/blob/azure-ci/.azure/linux-stack.yml
2019-06-10 21:01:14	cocreature	lukelau_: no it happens with or without my PR
2019-06-10 21:01:32	cocreature	my PR changes the parsing in haskell-lsp. this seems to be caused by parsing in lsp-test falling over
2019-06-10 21:01:33	fendor	i noticed that, too
2019-06-10 21:01:46	cocreature	the fact that the two don’t share code is arguably something we should aim to fix
2019-06-10 21:03:02	lukelau_	fendor: hm you're right, that is weird
2019-06-10 21:03:13	fendor	maybe some race condition?
2019-06-10 21:03:16	lukelau_	because it looks like the hoogle plugin tests attempt to generate the db again
2019-06-10 21:03:36	fendor	i was not even aware, that the test may do that
2019-06-10 21:04:07	lukelau_	Can you try changing the `runSession` calls to `runSessionWithConfig (defaultConfig {logStdErr = True})`?
2019-06-10 21:04:15	lukelau_	And set the hie command to be `hie -d --vomit`
2019-06-10 21:04:24	lukelau_	That's what I'm currently doing for the lsp-test debugging
2019-06-10 21:05:05	lukelau_	cocreature: by the way I got registered for zurihac :)
2019-06-10 21:05:34	fendor	ah, apparently, the test indeed generates the hoogle db if not found
2019-06-10 21:05:55	fendor	that is a good idea, will do
2019-06-10 21:06:30	cocreature	lukelau_: nice!
2019-06-10 21:06:34	lukelau_	cocreature: is the "func-test: Couldn't read Content-Length header" error happening on windows or on unix?
2019-06-10 21:07:10	fendor	lukelau_, unix
2019-06-10 21:07:18	cocreature	lukelau_: I’ve only seen it on Linux (both locally and in the CI log that fendor linked to a few lines ago) but I’ve never run the hie test suite on linux
2019-06-10 21:07:38	fendor	i did and can confirm that it also happened locally
2019-06-10 21:07:51	cocreature	eh s/linux/windows/
2019-06-10 21:07:59	cocreature	so maybe it happens there as well
2019-06-10 21:08:13	fendor	ok, the issue in that case is a temporary network issue, while building test dependencies, an error occurs while trying to download hoogle
2019-06-10 21:08:31	mpickering	lukelau: That's good, but accommodation is the hardest part of zurihac! so good luck with finding something decent
2019-06-10 21:09:09	fendor	was thinking the same, i was thinking about going to zurich for 2-3 days, but only a week with planning wasnt enough :/
2019-06-10 21:09:50	lukelau_	Ah ok found the error, I've been seeing it as well, drives me insane. I think I'll try switching to async for the threading, see if I can spot any race conditions
2019-06-10 21:10:15	lukelau_	mpickering: I just got an airbnb in Zurich, it seemed decently priced
2019-06-10 21:10:22	mpickering	ok
2019-06-10 21:10:32	cocreature	I wonder if the fixes for windows in lsp-test might affect this. I haven’t tried running it against lsp-test with that patch
2019-06-10 21:10:36	mpickering	Just checking, you know the event isn't in Zurich?
2019-06-10 21:10:43	lukelau_	Yeah, rapperswil
2019-06-10 21:10:49	mpickering	ok good :)
2019-06-10 21:11:18	fendor	it is pretty close though, only an hour by train
2019-06-10 21:11:52	lukelau_	fendor: if you need accommodation i can see if the airbnb I'm staying in has any extra spaces
2019-06-10 21:12:08	lukelau_	you can also just crash lol
2019-06-10 21:12:14	fendor	lukelau_, thanks, but due to university constraints, i wont have enough time :(
2019-06-10 21:12:17	fendor	maybe next year
2019-06-10 21:12:25	fendor	and probably munichhac or how it is called
2019-06-10 21:13:03	mpickering	lukelau_: What are your travel plans?
2019-06-10 21:13:30	lukelau_	Flying on Friday morning from dublin, I'm not going to be there in time for registration so I need to check out what the story is with that
2019-06-10 21:14:17	mpickering	oh that's fine
2019-06-10 21:14:20	lukelau_	Are you traveling from the UK?
2019-06-10 21:14:30	mpickering	registration desk will be open
2019-06-10 21:14:37	mpickering	yes, from heathrow 
2019-06-10 21:14:45	lukelau_	👍️
2019-06-10 21:14:46	mpickering	I fly on Thursday, back on Sunday
2019-06-10 21:15:03	mpickering	You can get the train straight there from the airport
2019-06-10 21:15:16	mpickering	there is this app you can use to buy tickets which is convenient
2019-06-10 21:16:02	lukelau_	Oh nice, what's it called?
2019-06-10 21:18:34	mpickering	SBB according to google
2019-06-10 21:20:42	cocreature	the zvv tickets app works as well
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2019-06-10 22:47:07	infinisil	mpickering: lukelau_: What event is there in rapperswil?
2019-06-10 22:47:14	mpickering	Zurihac
2019-06-10 22:48:09	infinisil	Ah, I thought zurihac would be in the city zurich
2019-06-10 22:48:25	mpickering	yeah, it used to be
2019-06-10 22:48:41	mpickering	now someone 1 hr away is considered close enough :P I prefer this venue anyway
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2019-06-11 08:42:12	wz1000	Anyone going to ICFP? I've been accepted for PLMW and am a student volunteer too.
2019-06-11 08:43:07	wz1000	I'm thinking of submitting a talk to HIW on hie files/h-i-e. Would anybody like to copresent? alanz, mpickering?
2019-06-11 08:50:13	teto	can't hie fallback on hoogle for doHover LSP requests ? 
2019-06-11 08:51:26	wz1000	It does, doesn't it?
2019-06-11 08:51:41	wz1000	For docs you mean?
2019-06-11 08:51:45	teto	yes
2019-06-11 08:52:05	wz1000	Yeah, if you don't have haddock, its supposed to fallback to hoogle
2019-06-11 08:52:20	teto	I usually get no result on coc.vim doHover requests, even for standard libraries like aeson etc
2019-06-11 08:52:33	wz1000	Do you get a type signature?
2019-06-11 08:53:15	teto	for my own function sometimes  but not always
2019-06-11 08:54:10	wz1000	Can you share logs?
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2019-06-11 09:54:54	teto	wz1000: sure https://transfer.sh/Gqa2a/lsp_haskell.log . Note that hoogle correctly returns information within the nix-shell
2019-06-11 11:04:06	wz1000	teto: the hover requests that don't get cancelled seem to complete fine. Perhaps try holding your cursor over the position for a bit longer? Vscode cancels hover requests as soon as your cursor moves
2019-06-11 11:05:54	wz1000	s/cursor/pointer/g
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2019-06-11 12:14:16	mpickering	wz1000: great. You can put me as a coauthor and I will give you feedback on your abstract
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2019-06-11 16:26:08	alanz	wz1000, I will not be at ICFP this year. Unfortunately
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2019-06-12 05:15:09	lukelau	alanz: is it ok if I make a release for haskell-lsp for cocreature’s custom methods?
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2019-06-12 08:59:14	teto	wz1000: I use neovim. Will try with vscode but I really get 0 doc even though hoogle has the doc. If the default is haddock maybe I should check if I have haddock correctly configured *using nix's shellFor)
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2019-06-12 11:31:41	teto	seems like ghcWithHoogle includes haddock too. Will try to run haddock manually, see if that changes anything
2019-06-12 11:32:14	alanz	lukelau, yes
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2019-06-12 13:45:42	teto	wz1000: I managed to build haddock doc locally (had to fix 2 lines on which haddock errored out) and now doHover returns much more consistent results for which I had nothing before
2019-06-12 13:46:13	teto	wow that's amazing, I missed that so hard. HIE should show errors preventing haddock generation
2019-06-12 14:12:38	mpickering	wz1000: Can I get someone at Zurihac to switch the `ghci :type-at` command to use HIE files? It should be straightforward?
2019-06-12 14:12:45	mpickering	I know this was part of your plan, how attached to it do you feel?
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2019-06-12 14:37:07	wz1000	mpickering: sure, it should be pretty straighforward. I would start by replacing this field with a HieFile, and then reimplementing all the functions using that: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/blob/master/ghc/GHCi/UI/Info.hs#L53
2019-06-12 14:38:03	mpickering	Are you familiar with how the completions stuff in ghci works?
2019-06-12 14:39:06	wz1000	no, not really. I remember seeing a completion function in the GHC api, maybe look at that?
2019-06-12 14:40:38	mpickering	I was looking at how vscode-ghc-simple works and it passes -fobject-code by default
2019-06-12 14:40:57	mpickering	everyone needs to know that if you pass `-fno-code` then you also need to pass `-fwrite-interface` 
2019-06-12 14:41:08	mpickering	please everyone in this channel help me spread this knowledge
2019-06-12 14:41:19	wz1000	what do you mean?
2019-06-12 14:41:48	mpickering	If you don't pass `-fwrite-interace`then reloads take longer because you have to recompile all modules even if they didn't change
2019-06-12 14:42:01	mpickering	but -fobject-code gets around this by loading object files
2019-06-12 14:51:02	wz1000	mpickering: in your ticket, `+t` should be `+c`
2019-06-12 14:51:15	mpickering	Thanks, yes +t is for timing isn't it
2019-06-12 14:51:50	wz1000	no, +t is for printing the type of expressions you enter on the repl
2019-06-12 14:52:00	wz1000	+s should be for timing
2019-06-12 14:52:22	mpickering	lol
2019-06-12 14:52:35	mpickering	why is +s for timing, what does it stand for
2019-06-12 14:52:44	wz1000	stats or something maybe
2019-06-12 14:53:22	mpickering	ok good
2019-06-12 14:53:38	mpickering	good job that you're here 
2019-06-12 15:00:33	fendor	i will spread that knowledge without using it :)
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2019-06-12 16:40:38	dxld	mpickering: how about updating the ghc docs with that information instead of spreading it with word of mouth :)
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2019-06-12 16:54:37	mpickering	dxld: The information is in the GHC docs!
2019-06-12 16:54:56	dxld	ok, word of mouth it is :)
2019-06-12 16:55:03	mpickering	https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/latest/docs/html/users_guide/phases.html?highlight=fno%20code#ghc-flag--fno-code
2019-06-12 16:55:20	dxld	hehe
2019-06-12 16:55:48	dxld	should at least say: "Warning: bad ghci performance, see -fwrite-interfaces" or something :p
2019-06-12 16:55:56	dxld	even though it's right there under it
2019-06-12 17:00:22	mpickering	I'm just depressed that people can think that (for some reason) generating object files could be faster than doing code generation
2019-06-12 17:00:39	mpickering	If it isn't then it's a really bad bug
2019-06-12 17:00:47	dxld	I don't think people understand what is going on from just those couple of sentences of docs
2019-06-12 17:00:52	dxld	I sure wouldn't have
2019-06-12 17:00:57	mpickering	ok
2019-06-12 17:01:04	dxld	so moar docs!
2019-06-12 17:03:03	mpickering	more memes explaining these features
2019-06-12 17:03:31	dxld	would likely help with the word of mouth part!
2019-06-12 17:03:44	dxld	make GHC options advice go viral :D
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2019-06-13 06:25:16	lukelau	alanz cocreature: haskell-lsp-types/haskell-lsp/lsp-test churn is out
2019-06-13 06:25:54	lukelau	there was something funky going on in the haddocks which was causing the docs to fail to build on hackage, should be fixed now but don’t panic if you see haskell-lsp-types-0.14.0.1
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2019-06-13 10:41:08	cocreature	lukelau: awesome, thank you!
2019-06-13 10:41:51	wz1000	cocreature: is there any reason why we shouldn't normalize all URIs instead of having a NormalizedUri type?
2019-06-13 10:44:52	cocreature	wz1000: I don’t really like the idea of normalizing in the FromJSON instance. imho that should faithfully represent what you received and then normalizing should be a separate step.
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2019-06-13 18:21:14	fendor	i think we are ready to merge https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1284
2019-06-13 18:33:42	alanz	fendor, merged. Thanks
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2019-06-13 19:04:59	fendor	alanz, i dont mean to pester you, but is there a reason why https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/pull/20 has not been merged yet? If it is just because of time limitation, that's fine, just want to ask if there is something missing
2019-06-13 19:05:44	alanz	fendor, its just my limited availability. Sorry will take a look, later today
2019-06-13 19:06:06	fendor	no hurry! just wanted to make sure
2019-06-13 19:06:43	fendor	i totally understand  limited amount of time
2019-06-13 19:07:52	alanz	thanks
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2019-06-13 19:59:57	alanz	cocreature, by the way, the kind of failure shown in https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/3656 comes about from changing the ghc-lib-parser version and not flushing the circleci cache
2019-06-13 20:00:21	alanz	I am not sure if you guys generate an internal library or something that does not increase version with the rest
2019-06-13 20:00:28	alanz	or why it happens
2019-06-13 20:16:12	cocreature	alanz: hm, I don’t think we do anything weird here.
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2019-06-13 23:41:35	wz1000	mpickering: you can try out hiedb now
2019-06-13 23:42:29	wz1000	sqlite is amazingly fast
2019-06-13 23:43:13	wz1000	I thought it was slow, but it turned out it just had stupid defaults. If you don't mark database transactions manually, it assumes every statement is an individual transaction
2019-06-13 23:43:19	wz1000	which slows it down ~100x
2019-06-13 23:49:02	wz1000	I think hiedb can be a nice cli interface to doing all sorts of queries on hie files
2019-06-13 23:52:32	wz1000	Does anyone know an editor independent way of opening a file and placing the cursor at a particular line/column?
2019-06-13 23:55:07	wz1000	if not editor independent, the atleast a way that is respected by most $PAGERs
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2019-06-14 00:30:40	alanz	wz1000, I wonder if editorconfig.org could help
2019-06-14 00:32:30	alanz	the new stack pushes out a huge amount of info while building
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2019-06-14 01:53:22	lukelau	cocreature wz1000: Re URI normalisation: i think it would be cleaner to just define a custom Eq for URI
2019-06-14 01:54:45	cocreature	lukelau: I’m not a fan of custom Eq instances tbh. What exactly don’t you like about the newtype? That seems both safe and reasonably clean
2019-06-14 01:56:01	lukelau	It would be nice to have backwards compatibility and keep the types simpler
2019-06-14 01:56:18	lukelau	I’m not that opposed to the newtype either though
2019-06-14 01:58:29	lukelau	Im also thinking a custom Eq instance might address some other inconsistencies we’ve left go unnoticed, if the percentage encoding is not supposed to be differentiate them
2019-06-14 01:59:01	cocreature	I guess I find it rather confusing to have "Uri a == Uri b" if "a /= b" whereas the newtype seems much more clear and explicit.
2019-06-14 02:01:50	cocreature	there might be things I’ve missed (although I did try to look for them) but I’d rather fix them explicitly once someone hits them (judging from the fact that nobody has reported this before, it doesn’t seem to be a huge issue) as opposed to changing Eq and hoping for the best without having a clear idea of where it matters and where it doesn’t.
2019-06-14 02:02:37	wz1000	If we go with the newtype, how about removing Eq/Ord instances from Uri?
2019-06-14 02:02:55	cocreature	that sounds very reasonable
2019-06-14 02:03:12	wz1000	That way people won't accidently use it in maps
2019-06-14 02:03:59	alanz	I think the newtype makes it explicit what is going on
2019-06-14 02:04:50	alanz	so your guys' current proposal sounds like a good one to me
2019-06-14 02:06:02	cocreature	hm, I guess it might make lsp-test annoying since you can’t get Eq instances for a lot of lsp types since they use URIs. And in a test suite you might actually want to compare the unnormalized URIs to test edgecases
2019-06-14 02:07:49	cocreature	but it’s probably not really an issue especially given the fact that the current API of lsp-test actually doesn’t test URIs for things like diagnostics
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2019-06-14 02:11:31	wz1000	You can always do (==) `on` getUri
2019-06-14 02:12:14	cocreature	yeah but that’s rather annoying if you want to compare a large datatype that has an Uri somewhere inside.
2019-06-14 02:12:51	cocreature	But I don’t see a lot of usecase for that so I’ll push a commit sometime soon
2019-06-14 02:18:32	cocreature	hm that doesn’t work if we want to keep using Uri for the actual lsp types that we encode to/from JSON (which I think is nice) due to WorkspaceEditMap
2019-06-14 02:19:58	cocreature	I guess we could use another newtype there but that seems very clunky
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2019-06-14 02:25:57	lukelau	Eh I’m happy enough with the newtype
2019-06-14 02:26:13	lukelau	Just bikeshedding here
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2019-06-14 03:41:15	lukelau	Not sure when this happened, but we hit 100 contributors on github 🎉 
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2019-06-14 13:24:24	mpickering	wz1000: If you're working today you might want to join the zurihac slack
2019-06-14 13:24:45	mpickering	Are there instructions about the hiedb anywhere? 
2019-06-14 13:31:41	wz1000	mpickering: the --help text should be decent
2019-06-14 13:31:56	wz1000	If you notice any shortcomings, let me know
2019-06-14 13:32:07	wz1000	where is the zurihac slack?
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2019-06-14 13:34:31	wz1000	mpickering: I just pushed a few fixes, you should be able to get it to compile with cabal new-configure -w $STAGE2 --allow-newer
2019-06-14 13:35:50	wz1000	then point it to some directory with hie-files and do cabal new-run exe:hiedb -- -D <somedatabaselocation> index <dir>
2019-06-14 13:36:00	mpickering	ok
2019-06-14 13:36:04	mpickering	https://zurihac.slack.com
2019-06-14 13:36:08	wz1000	and there are a few commands in the --help to query the db
2019-06-14 13:36:29	mpickering	the DA guys were complaining that the 8.8 alpha didn't have the same stuff in HIE files at master
2019-06-14 13:36:33	mpickering	but everything got backported didn't it?
2019-06-14 13:36:38	wz1000	Yes
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2019-06-14 13:36:47	wz1000	The alpha was released before the header stuff 
2019-06-14 13:39:07	wz1000	hiedb is fast though: indexing lens takes <2s on my machine
2019-06-14 13:39:39	wz1000	mpickering: I don't have an account/invitation for the slack
2019-06-14 13:40:25	mpickering	https://slack.zurihac.info/
2019-06-14 13:41:05	mpickering	Please add a README 
2019-06-14 13:41:20	wz1000	yeah, will do
2019-06-14 13:41:41	mpickering	You can get an invite from the link above
2019-06-14 13:41:47	wz1000	got it
2019-06-14 13:42:25	mpickering	The channel is #ghc and #haskell-ide-core
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2019-06-15 13:53:34	wz1000	mpickering: did you get a chance to try out hiedb?
2019-06-15 14:09:12	mpickering	No sorry
2019-06-15 14:59:36	dxld	anybody know anything we have for an interested new contributor at zurihac to do?
2019-06-15 14:59:58	dxld	I'm not so familliar with HIEs issue list yet :)
2019-06-15 15:00:20	dxld	alanz[m]: ^
2019-06-15 15:16:49	alanz	dxld, hi
2019-06-15 15:48:28	dxld	I think he ran away, so nevermind :p
2019-06-15 15:58:57	alanz	who?
2019-06-15 16:05:25	dxld	I dunno
2019-06-15 16:05:35	dxld	he just showed up and said he wants to do something for HIE
2019-06-15 16:06:42	alanz	ah, gotcha
2019-06-15 16:06:57	alanz	how is your stuff getting on?
2019-06-15 16:07:38	alanz	On my side, I am currently trying to get the hie tests to pass with the new stack
2019-06-15 16:07:43	alanz	getting close 
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2019-06-15 16:41:06	dxld	I'm deep in the GHC RTS's bowls :)
2019-06-15 16:41:37	dxld	doing a new heap profiling mode
2019-06-15 16:41:46	dxld	to make debugging excessive memory usage easier
2019-06-15 16:43:15	alanz	sounds like fun.
2019-06-15 16:43:36	dxld	well at least it's generally useful and not just tooling related for once :)
2019-06-15 16:46:21	alanz	well, I would argue strongly that tooling related is generally useful, but I get your point
2019-06-15 16:50:21	dxld	true, true
2019-06-15 16:50:33	dxld	it's just a nice change is what I mean
2019-06-15 16:50:42	dxld	(though C is still horrible)
2019-06-15 16:55:29	alanz	I wonder if we will one day have a runtime written in rust
2019-06-15 16:55:54	dxld	if I end up doing more stuff in the rts probably :p
2019-06-15 16:56:44	alanz	have you dived into rust yet? I have put my toe in the water, but skipping a deep dive for now
2019-06-15 17:34:43	dxld	no not yet unfortunately
2019-06-15 17:35:39	dxld	but since I have quite a few C use-cases it'll just happen eventually :)
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2019-06-15 23:46:56	luke_	dxld: hello
2019-06-15 23:47:51	dxld	heya
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2019-06-16 02:07:16	wz1000	alanz, mpickering, cocreature: I've been reading and thinking for a couple of days and now I'm fairly convinced that the Shake based approach is the way to go for HIE
2019-06-16 02:07:47	wz1000	I'm ready to start transitioning HIE to this architecture as part of my gsoc work on integrating HIE and .hie files
2019-06-16 02:08:16	mpickering	You'll have to explain more than that
2019-06-16 02:08:33	wz1000	the haskell-ide-core approach basically
2019-06-16 02:08:49	wz1000	Plugins specify their dependencies using Shake
2019-06-16 02:09:20	wz1000	like some commands in HIE depend on a TypeMap(map from srcspans to types)
2019-06-16 02:09:37	wz1000	That can be generated either from a HIE file or a typechecked module
2019-06-16 02:10:38	wz1000	depending on what we have at the moment and the state of the file(does it compile or not? is a .hie file available? is it up to date?)
2019-06-16 02:14:10	wz1000	and shake can help ensure that all the artifacts we generate are kept up to date in a principled manner instead of the ad hoc way we have currently
2019-06-16 02:14:24	mpickering	yes, I agree about that
2019-06-16 02:14:54	mpickering	although I wonder about whether reimplementing downsweep is a good idea
2019-06-16 02:15:38	wz1000	I was thinking more in terms of the artifacts generating by HIE itself
2019-06-16 02:16:02	wz1000	I have to plan to mess with the existing ghc compilation process
2019-06-16 02:17:01	wz1000	s/to/no/g
2019-06-16 02:19:57	wz1000	the initial inputs would be the results of loadFileWithMessage function in hie-bios, hie files, and file contents from the vfs
2019-06-16 02:20:10	wz1000	I don't want to reimplement the compilation pipeline
2019-06-16 02:20:20	mpickering	wz1000: please don't do this until hie-bios is merged 
2019-06-16 02:21:14	wz1000	what are the major blockers for that?
2019-06-16 02:21:31	mpickering	testing and making it work with HaRe, also cabal-helper integration I think
2019-06-16 02:21:38	mpickering	lukelau: Has been an amazing help this weekend
2019-06-16 02:22:16	wz1000	what are the downsides of the current v2-repl approach for cabal?
2019-06-16 02:23:59	mpickering	major downside is that it doesn't deal with multiple components nicely
2019-06-16 02:24:18	wz1000	and cabal-helper also gets us stack support?
2019-06-16 02:24:32	mpickering	no stack is already supported
2019-06-16 02:24:48	wz1000	with `stack repl`?
2019-06-16 02:26:06	mpickering	yes
2019-06-16 02:26:51	mpickering	the problem with cabal is that there's no interface to find which component a file belongs to
2019-06-16 02:27:38	wz1000	can't we parse the cabal file?
2019-06-16 02:29:21	mpickering	no...
2019-06-16 02:29:37	mpickering	parsing the cabal file introduces dependency on Cabal
2019-06-16 02:29:48	mpickering	the philosophy is that it's the build tools responsibility to set up the session
2019-06-16 02:30:20	wz1000	so cabal-helper parses the file?
2019-06-16 02:30:36	mpickering	No it doesn't it reads the setup-dist file (if that's the right name)
2019-06-16 02:30:46	mpickering	The oldest versions of ghc-mod parsed the cabal file
2019-06-16 02:30:54	mpickering	and then tried to work out the right options for ghci from that
2019-06-16 02:32:50	wz1000	Can I help with the cabal helper stuff?
2019-06-16 02:34:15	mpickering	yes, you an integrate it into hie-bios. There needs to be an interface where `hie-bios` calls an executable provided by `cabal-helper` which prints out the correct options
2019-06-16 02:34:31	mpickering	however cabal-helper operates to get those options is a black box
2019-06-16 02:35:49	mpickering	just like how cabal, stack, bazel, obelisk and hadrian operate are complete black boxes
2019-06-16 02:36:19	mpickering	Luke and I are working this weekend to systematically eliminate space leaks from h-i-e as well and make sure they stay fixed
2019-06-16 02:36:43	wz1000	nice. did you figure out the source(s)?
2019-06-16 02:37:56	mpickering	we found one so far, fixed by adding a bang pattern
2019-06-16 02:38:08	mpickering	it didn't help much with the overall leak though
2019-06-16 02:38:17	mpickering	but we have a good test set up using lsp-test
2019-06-16 02:38:21	mpickering	great library
2019-06-16 02:38:39	infinisil	Ah yeah those space leaks have been biting me lately with longer coding sessions
2019-06-16 02:38:48	wz1000	where was it?
2019-06-16 02:40:06	mpickering	https://github.com/bubba/haskell-ide-engine/commit/8d89ba3d5caece9583724a854e51b333b5c3c548#diff-4c423d470eea9ff90c37c93e365d5022L475
2019-06-16 02:40:11	mpickering	Everytime you save you leak 40mb
2019-06-16 02:40:13	mpickering	it's dirty
2019-06-16 02:41:43	wz1000	thats bad. have you considered adding a ! in front of everything? or -XStrictData?
2019-06-16 02:41:54	mpickering	We have a systematic way
2019-06-16 02:50:30	wz1000	tell me more. I'm not going to sleep because its 40° and the power is out
2019-06-16 03:00:58	mpickering	If you look at the patch you can see the idea
2019-06-16 03:01:16	mpickering	you make a weak pointer to something
2019-06-16 03:01:20	mpickering	in this case a typechecked module
2019-06-16 03:01:47	mpickering	then when you think it should have been gced you deref the weak pointer and check that it points to nothing
2019-06-16 03:01:53	mpickering	after that you break into gdb
2019-06-16 03:01:58	mpickering	and find what retains the pointer
2019-06-16 03:02:04	mpickering	which points to a line in your file where the problem is
2019-06-16 03:02:15	mpickering	https://simonmar.github.io/posts/2018-06-20-Finding-fixing-space-leaks.html
2019-06-16 03:02:49	wz1000	why is all that code commented out?
2019-06-16 03:05:50	mpickering	which code in particular?
2019-06-16 03:06:32	wz1000	ifCachedModuleM etc
2019-06-16 03:08:50	mpickering	I'm not sure about that
2019-06-16 03:08:55	mpickering	Didn't realise they were
2019-06-16 03:09:00	mpickering	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/DZhWEUzu/visualization%20(2).png
2019-06-16 03:11:44	wz1000	Can't really read that graph I'm afraid. I'm colour blind :(
2019-06-16 03:12:33	lukelau	mpickering: that looks like garbage collection to me!
2019-06-16 03:12:51	lukelau	dxld: I found the slides about STG I mentioned earlier by the way: https://takenobu-hs.github.io/downloads/haskell_ghc_illustrated.pdf
2019-06-16 03:13:03	lukelau	Again thanks for the help navigating the RTS!
2019-06-16 03:13:15	mpickering	Ah sorry wz1000, is there something better we could do to make it possible for you to read it?
2019-06-16 03:14:09	wz1000	sort the labels in the order of their size?
2019-06-16 03:14:16	mpickering	yes, that's a good idea
2019-06-16 03:14:18	mpickering	here's another one
2019-06-16 03:14:31	mpickering	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Zl24qGX2/hie%20(1).ps
2019-06-16 03:14:33	wz1000	but lists seem to take a big chunk
2019-06-16 03:14:47	mpickering	The top two are `ARR_WORDS` and `[]`
2019-06-16 03:14:54	mpickering	but it looks like there is no leak
2019-06-16 03:15:02	wz1000	where is ARR_WORDS coming from?
2019-06-16 03:15:11	mpickering	lukelau: Without your patch memory usage looks similar though..
2019-06-16 03:15:29	lukelau	As in no memory leak or with memory leak?
2019-06-16 03:15:40	mpickering	No memory leak before or after
2019-06-16 03:15:51	mpickering	at least with the leak-space test
2019-06-16 03:16:02	mpickering	ARR_WORDS = Bytestrings
2019-06-16 03:16:08	lukelau	Did we beat the garbage collector into shape?
2019-06-16 03:16:34	mpickering	I don't think there was a leak to begin with?
2019-06-16 03:16:41	lukelau	wz1000: by the way commenting out ifCachedModule etc didn’t help the leak
2019-06-16 03:16:53	lukelau	mpickering: is this on Linux?
2019-06-16 03:16:56	mpickering	yes
2019-06-16 03:17:05	wz1000	how are you interacting with hie to generate that profile?
2019-06-16 03:17:14	mpickering	via lsp-test
2019-06-16 03:17:35	mpickering	It's the executable from the branch I linked before
2019-06-16 03:17:38	lukelau	infinisil: what OS are you getting the memory leaks on?
2019-06-16 03:17:58	mpickering	lukelau: I don't doubt there are leaks but we should try some more complicated interactions, like hover
2019-06-16 03:18:01	lukelau	mpickering: I’ve tidied up some stuff on that branch, will push it tonight when I get home
2019-06-16 03:18:05	infinisil	lukelau: NixOS
2019-06-16 03:18:18	wz1000	can't you run a big loop that adds a line of code, waits a while, adds another line of code, waits a bunch of times?
2019-06-16 03:18:19	mpickering	and a script which adds a new definition to the bottom of a file
2019-06-16 03:18:22	mpickering	and does it 1000 times
2019-06-16 03:18:34	mpickering	yes we'll do this tomorrow
2019-06-16 03:18:38	lukelau	wz1000: that’s what our lsp-rest executable does
2019-06-16 03:18:45	mpickering	I'm exciting about how good lsp-test is
2019-06-16 03:19:01	lukelau	It sends a documentediterequest, saves, waits for diagnostics and then repeats
2019-06-16 03:19:08	lukelau	*applyeditrequest
2019-06-16 03:19:43	lukelau	mpickering: thanks! This is a pretty neat little use of it
2019-06-16 03:21:28	wz1000	btw, hiedb can now query the type at a point in a .hie file, and it takes barely any time or memory
2019-06-16 03:21:50	mpickering	If you want to try profiling tomorrow then add profiling: True to the cabal.project file and recompile all the dependencies 
2019-06-16 03:22:00	mpickering	It takes a little while
2019-06-16 03:22:32	wz1000	Last time I tried to profile HIE, it was basically unusable with vscode
2019-06-16 03:23:39	mpickering	Yeah we need to test hover and some other interactions I think. Otherwise it's not as realistic 
2019-06-16 03:24:01	mpickering	Great job with Hiedb zubin. I'll get to trying it after this weekend. 
2019-06-16 03:24:33	wz1000	yeah, all the typemap/namemap generation is triggered by hover/gotodef/documenthighlight
2019-06-16 03:28:03	wz1000	btw, has anyone noticed that h-i-e has hare as a submodule, which has h-i-e as a submodule
2019-06-16 03:28:11	lukelau	wz1000: where does ghc store .hie files by default?
2019-06-16 03:28:41	wz1000	next to .hs files by default, it can be controlled by -hidir
2019-06-16 03:28:51	wz1000	or -outputdir
2019-06-16 03:29:07	lukelau	So for hiedb do you point -D to the build products directory?
2019-06-16 03:29:10	wz1000	which controls the output location of .hi,.o and .hie files
2019-06-16 03:29:15	wz1000	yes
2019-06-16 03:29:44	wz1000	or -hidir if you set it manually
2019-06-16 03:30:17	wz1000	you can point it to any directory that has .hie files buried somewhere in it
2019-06-16 03:30:43	lukelau	Ah ok, a bunch of people this weekend were asking about .hie files! We’re all looking forward to it :)
2019-06-16 03:35:14	infinisil	Rando suggestion: Something that might improve performance (and UX) is to discard old hover requests, stop processing them as soon as a new one gets in. The user can only hover over one point at any time anyways
2019-06-16 03:37:15	wz1000	lukelau: btw, hiedb -D <file> points to a file where the index db is stored
2019-06-16 03:38:28	wz1000	if you want to index a directory, you would say hiedb -D a.hiedb index builds/lens-4.17/
2019-06-16 03:38:48	wz1000	which will generate a database called a.hiedb
2019-06-16 03:47:15	lukelau	infinisil: we could even go a step further and do it at the typechecking level, we have a queue of typechecking requests that requests like hover call wait on
2019-06-16 03:47:39	lukelau	The typechecking is the main bottleneck itself
2019-06-16 03:48:12	lukelau	Most requests finish almost immediately once they get their typechecked module
2019-06-16 03:53:13	lukelau	wz1000: are there any plans to expose the fucntionality as a library?
2019-06-16 04:56:26	infinisil	lukelau: Ah that sounds good
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2019-06-16 10:52:43	wz1000	lukelau: yes, i'm working on that
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2019-06-16 13:54:43	wz1000	my day is off to a terrible start. had to compile Cabal 5 times already
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2019-06-16 14:12:44	mpickering	wz1000: Time to level up and compile ghc 5 times tomorrow
2019-06-16 14:20:41	wz1000	3 of the cabal compiles were part of ghc compiles
2019-06-16 14:22:09	wz1000	ghc is actually ok to compile. but Cabal takes forever, makes the cpu fans scream, and eats up all the memory
2019-06-16 14:25:15	mpickering	Not good in 40C
2019-06-16 14:25:25	mpickering	Someone at zurihac is working on the hie +c ticket
2019-06-16 14:31:27	wz1000	nice
2019-06-16 14:32:37	wz1000	mpickering: they can look at this for type-at-point: https://github.com/wz1000/HieDb/blob/master/src/Main.hs#L458
2019-06-16 14:38:21	fendor_	you can compile Cabal quite fast, if your processor has like 4Ghz 
2019-06-16 14:57:12	wz1000	6th compile of Cabal in progress :(
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2019-06-16 22:06:55	alanz	I can strongly recommend upgrading to stack 2.1.1, as supported by current master. Faster builds, when you restart them
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2019-06-16 23:34:14	bgamari_	wz1000, I generally compiled Cabal with -O0 when possible
2019-06-16 23:34:52	bgamari_	in fact, GHC now does this by default: 
2019-06-16 23:34:53	bgamari_	<mpickering> Someone at zurihac is working on the hie +c ticket
2019-06-16 23:34:53	bgamari_	<wz1000> nice
2019-06-16 23:34:53	bgamari_	<wz1000> mpickering: they can look at this for type-at-point: https://github.com/wz1000/HieDb/blob/master/src/Main.hs#L458
2019-06-16 23:34:53	bgamari_	<fendor_> you can compile Cabal quite fast, if your processor has like 4Ghz 
2019-06-16 23:34:56	bgamari_	<wz1000> 6th compile of Cabal in progress :(
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2019-06-16 23:35:14	bgamari_	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/1190
2019-06-16 23:35:16	 *	bgamari_ apologies for the spam
2019-06-16 23:35:33	fendor	np
2019-06-16 23:41:45	wz1000	bgamari_: btw, I noticed that the release notes for the 8.8 alpha don't mention hie files
2019-06-16 23:41:59	bgamari_	wz1000, ahh, quite true
2019-06-16 23:42:06	bgamari_	wz1000, would you care to submit an MR?
2019-06-16 23:42:19	wz1000	where to? the website?
2019-06-16 23:43:02	bgamari_	wz1000, oh, do you mean the blog entry didn't mention them?
2019-06-16 23:43:22	 *	bgamari_ checked and HIE files are indeed mentioned in the release notes in the users guide
2019-06-16 23:43:40	wz1000	yes
2019-06-16 23:44:33	bgamari_	ahh, yes, I'll put them in to the next announcement
2019-06-16 23:45:57	wz1000	Is "runtime system" the correct section for them to be mentioned?
2019-06-16 23:46:12	wz1000	in the release notes in the users guide
2019-06-16 23:46:41	bgamari_	wz1000, compiler
2019-06-16 23:46:59	bgamari_	wow
2019-06-16 23:47:02	 *	bgamari_ fixes that
2019-06-16 23:47:04	bgamari_	wz1000, good catch
2019-06-17 00:15:36	wz1000	lukelau: do we use parsed modules for anything in the absence of a typechecked module?
2019-06-17 00:16:27	wz1000	I've figured out the cause of https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1286
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2019-06-17 00:32:40	mpickering	wz1000: I was talking with someone at Zurihac and they thought .hie files were a bit underdocumented
2019-06-17 00:33:02	mpickering	It would be good if you could write a blog post describing what they are and the few things we have used them for so far
2019-06-17 00:33:17	mpickering	Someone was also adding support to the nix build process to generate .hie files
2019-06-17 00:34:19	wz1000	ok. I can expand on the ghc wiki page
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2019-06-17 00:35:24	mpickering	I mean, they probably didn't read that
2019-06-17 00:35:31	mpickering	but people read stuff that appears on reddit
2019-06-17 00:35:34	mpickering	or in Haskell Weekly
2019-06-17 00:35:48	mpickering	If you like then I can help you write the post 
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2019-06-17 00:42:40	wz1000	so, I have to set up a blog?
2019-06-17 00:43:41	wz1000	the space leak commit is impressive. 0.33 characters per commiter
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2019-06-17 00:47:23	mpickering	wz1000: No, we have some other options
2019-06-17 00:47:27	mpickering	you could post it on the ghc website
2019-06-17 00:47:32	mpickering	or I can post it on my blog
2019-06-17 00:49:11	mpickering	wz1000: There is some more testing code that lukelau plans to polish off
2019-06-17 00:49:25	wz1000	I'll try to write something and then we can figure out what to do with it
2019-06-17 00:50:26	mpickering	bgamari_ was talking about reviving the ghc blog and to make a post all you need to do is make a MR
2019-06-17 00:50:57	mpickering	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/homepage/tree/master
2019-06-17 00:51:00	bgamari_	wz1000, indeed
2019-06-17 00:51:12	bgamari_	I would love to make the blog more lively
2019-06-17 00:51:20	bgamari_	we just need more content-contributors
2019-06-17 00:51:53	bgamari_	once I am finally done with the GC project I hope to do a biweekly GHC news series
2019-06-17 00:53:28	wz1000	hmm, I can't access haskell.org for some reason
2019-06-17 00:55:07	alanz	wz1000, nor me, fyi
2019-06-17 00:55:11	alanz	bgamari_, ?
2019-06-17 00:55:29	bgamari_	hmm
2019-06-17 00:55:33	bgamari_	nor me
2019-06-17 00:55:58	alanz	cdn refresh?
2019-06-17 00:56:35	alanz	http://auto-status.haskell.org/
2019-06-17 00:57:19	bgamari_	it responds to ping
2019-06-17 00:57:31	bgamari_	and I can ssh to the box
2019-06-17 00:58:36	alanz	maybe you need to restart the web server, or some such
2019-06-17 00:59:25	wz1000	IoT robot leg that kicks the box
2019-06-17 00:59:42	bgamari_	ugh
2019-06-17 01:00:11	bgamari_	heh
2019-06-17 01:00:29	bgamari_	it looks like we're having disk issues again
2019-06-17 01:04:22	bgamari_	as much as I love Packet, their block storage infrastructure is absymal
2019-06-17 01:06:01	alanz	as in the disk disappears, or gets full?
2019-06-17 01:06:17	bgamari_	it disappears
2019-06-17 01:06:56	bgamari_	the iscsi target just decides to take a nap
2019-06-17 01:07:10	alanz	ouch
2019-06-17 01:07:43	bgamari_	yep
2019-06-17 01:09:35	 *	bgamari_ reboot it
2019-06-17 01:09:36	mpickering	wz1000: Why is mkHieFile in Hsc? 
2019-06-17 01:10:49	wz1000	mpickering: its in HieAst
2019-06-17 01:11:12	wz1000	oh, because it needs to desugar
2019-06-17 01:12:19	wz1000	I can fix that once I put types in the AST itself
2019-06-17 01:12:38	wz1000	Then it can be pure
2019-06-17 01:15:13	bgamari_	alanz, alright, we're back up
2019-06-17 01:15:19	mpickering	What does it desugar?
2019-06-17 01:15:20	bgamari_	it's just inexplicably slow
2019-06-17 01:15:43	wz1000	mpickering: some exprs to get their types
2019-06-17 01:16:08	mpickering	So you call `initDs`?
2019-06-17 01:16:13	alanz	bgamari_, its up for me. And slowness is probably because it is still warming up a cache somewhere
2019-06-17 01:16:43	bgamari_	hopefully
2019-06-17 01:16:51	wz1000	mpickering: no, just desugarExpr
2019-06-17 01:16:56	alanz	And I think this is the first time I have hit the front page, in a couple of years. Weird.
2019-06-17 01:17:14	wz1000	mpickering: see instance HasType (LHsExpr GhcTc)
2019-06-17 01:17:50	mpickering	That is a very weird function
2019-06-17 01:17:59	mpickering	why does it use `initDsTc`
2019-06-17 01:18:33	mpickering	Ah because you need a `TcGblEnv` 
2019-06-17 01:18:37	mpickering	but you already have that?
2019-06-17 01:18:51	wz1000	where do you see initDsTc?
2019-06-17 01:19:03	mpickering	deSugarExpr
2019-06-17 01:19:43	mpickering	This isn't a big deal. You need to run it in a `GhcMonad` context for the +c patch
2019-06-17 01:19:53	mpickering	but seems you can do the conversion with `withSession`.
2019-06-17 01:23:03	wz1000	you've got the patch working?
2019-06-17 01:23:23	mpickering	No Eric Wolf is working on it
2019-06-17 01:23:29	mpickering	I am technical adviser 
2019-06-17 01:23:57	mpickering	he says he has one type error left
2019-06-17 01:25:37	wz1000	the ghcmonad/Hsc thing?
2019-06-17 01:25:50	mpickering	apprently he fixed that
2019-06-17 01:26:04	mpickering	This question about `initDsTc` is just an observation I had reading the code
2019-06-17 01:29:31	wz1000	for :set +c, if we have an up to date .hie file already available, we should use that
2019-06-17 01:30:15	wz1000	And if -fwrite-ide-info is on, if ghci happens to generate a .hie file, it should probably persist that to disk
2019-06-17 01:30:35	wz1000	Even better, :set +c could imply -fwrite-ide-info
2019-06-17 01:31:35	wz1000	then you don't need to call mkHieFile yourself
2019-06-17 01:31:59	mpickering	we can deal with that when he has the basic patch working
2019-06-17 01:32:11	mpickering	this is a newcomer so best not to introduce too much complexity
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2019-06-17 12:42:40	lukelau	wz1000: they’re used for document symbols/hover I think
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2019-06-17 12:51:33	wz1000	lukelau: newPosToOld/oldPosToNew are inaccurate for ParsedModules
2019-06-17 12:51:53	wz1000	maybe we need newPosToOldParsed etc.
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2019-06-17 14:20:03	lukelau	Hmm, can we add a test case for this? With a test file that parses ok but fails to typecheck?
2019-06-17 14:21:23	wz1000	we first need a file that typechecks, then modify it so that it parses
2019-06-17 14:23:49	lukelau	Ah you’re right, should be able to do that with a textedit that just changes foo = 1+1 to foo = "a”+1
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2019-06-17 15:35:34	mpickering	wz1000: I don't think that the shake architecture is the final work on this matter
2019-06-17 15:35:53	mpickering	I feel like the problem more fits into an frp network
2019-06-17 15:47:07	mpickering	so I would be interested to see if haskell-ide-core can be refactored to use reflex 
2019-06-17 16:02:08	wz1000	mpickering: I was attracted to the shake approach because can handle memoization/caching well
2019-06-17 16:02:21	mpickering	yes and so can reflex
2019-06-17 16:02:26	wz1000	most operations are essentially pure functions on the state of the cache
2019-06-17 16:02:51	mpickering	indeed, it is nice
2019-06-17 16:03:16	mpickering	A `Dynamic` value in reflex can be thought of as like a cache
2019-06-17 16:03:19	mpickering	It has a value at all time points
2019-06-17 16:04:03	mpickering	I just built HieDb but had to use `allow-newer`
2019-06-17 16:04:39	wz1000	yes, that is expected until people update for 8.8
2019-06-17 16:04:48	mpickering	ok, just wondering
2019-06-17 16:05:25	wz1000	I'm going to publish a new version of HieDb with a library component
2019-06-17 16:05:26	mpickering	I suppose you would create a `Behaviour` in reflex for each module in the program
2019-06-17 16:05:56	wz1000	can reflex handle non trivial dependencies between Dynamic values?
2019-06-17 16:06:06	mpickering	example?
2019-06-17 16:06:09	mpickering	but, yes :)
2019-06-17 16:06:56	mpickering	I'm building GHC to get some lsif files
2019-06-17 16:07:02	mpickering	so once that is done I will try loading them into the DB
2019-06-17 16:07:27	wz1000	take the TypeMap for example. If we have a TypecheckedModule, we want to use that to build it. If not, we can use the HieFile if we have one
2019-06-17 16:07:36	mpickering	yes, that's possible
2019-06-17 16:08:40	mpickering	I suppose you would make a network where TypeMap is connected to both HieFile and TypeMap
2019-06-17 16:08:46	mpickering	and then processes events from updates to both
2019-06-17 16:09:11	mpickering	or, because reflex is monadic, you can make TypeMap depend on HieFile and then later modify the network to make it depend on TypecheckedModule
2019-06-17 16:09:18	wz1000	And take plugin operations. Some depend on parsed modules, some depend on a typechecked module, some just depend on a typemap, which means they should run if we have a typechecked module or a hiefile
2019-06-17 16:10:48	wz1000	another thing is the newPosToOld/oldPosToNew stuff - basically correlation spans in the actual text, and version of the text we have stale information for
2019-06-17 16:10:59	wz1000	I don't know how that will fit into Shake either
2019-06-17 16:11:34	mpickering	It would be good to setup a simple example not tied to any existing project to see how to set things up
2019-06-17 16:11:50	wz1000	simple example of reflex?
2019-06-17 16:12:06	mpickering	I mean a simple version of an IDE
2019-06-17 16:12:10	mpickering	but implemented using reflex
2019-06-17 16:13:31	mpickering	So an example of parsing a module file
2019-06-17 16:13:35	mpickering	getting the imports
2019-06-17 16:13:42	mpickering	creating the network
2019-06-17 16:13:52	mpickering	and then simple outputs of diagnostics / typemap
2019-06-17 16:13:54	mpickering	with optional dependencies
2019-06-17 16:14:02	mpickering	should be 100-300 lines I expect
2019-06-17 16:14:16	mpickering	there are some useful functions in `haskell-ide-core` which run in IO
2019-06-17 16:20:29	mpickering	rather than running in the `GhcMonad`
2019-06-17 16:23:24	wz1000	like?
2019-06-17 16:24:22	wz1000	why are they trying to reimplement the compilation pipeline?
2019-06-17 16:25:11	mpickering	So that they have more fine grained caching and recompilation triggering
2019-06-17 16:25:29	mpickering	basic things like `typecheckModule` `parseModule`
2019-06-17 16:25:49	mpickering	then the downsweep they have only parses a file once
2019-06-17 16:26:07	mpickering	after parsing, reads the imports and then recursively parses the imports etc
2019-06-17 16:27:14	wz1000	that doesn't sound like a very good idea.
2019-06-17 16:27:48	wz1000	you have to take care to handle hs-boot, backpack etc.
2019-06-17 16:28:04	mpickering	hs-boot doesn't sound too hard
2019-06-17 16:28:41	mpickering	I'm viewing this more as an experiment than something that can be switch to overnight
2019-06-17 16:28:46	wz1000	CPP and other preprocessors too
2019-06-17 16:29:03	wz1000	plugins..
2019-06-17 16:29:06	mpickering	CPP is fine, you just call the doCpp function
2019-06-17 16:29:08	mpickering	plugins also fine
2019-06-17 16:29:13	mpickering	they get run by GHC
2019-06-17 16:29:32	mpickering	I can't run HieDb on my files generated using HEAD
2019-06-17 16:29:41	wz1000	what do you get?
2019-06-17 16:29:50	mpickering	Is there a way to turn off the version check?
2019-06-17 16:30:09	wz1000	not without modifying the source of hiedb
2019-06-17 16:30:09	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/P69gjdxN/
2019-06-17 16:30:15	mpickering	well I can do that
2019-06-17 16:31:12	wz1000	replace calls to readHieFile with readHieFileWithVersion (const True)
2019-06-17 16:31:45	mpickering	cool that worked
2019-06-17 16:31:47	mpickering	now a new bug
2019-06-17 16:32:00	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/m5Do84Kc/
2019-06-17 16:33:06	wz1000	you need to compile it will the same GHC you generated the files with
2019-06-17 16:33:08	mpickering	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/quDXc4KD/PrimopWrappers.hie
2019-06-17 16:33:28	mpickering	hmm, it worked for 160 fails
2019-06-17 16:33:31	mpickering	*files
2019-06-17 16:33:35	mpickering	What's special about this one?
2019-06-17 16:33:37	wz1000	yeah, seems like a new KnownKeyUnique was added
2019-06-17 16:33:48	wz1000	in between the two version of ghc
2019-06-17 16:33:55	wz1000	can't really do anything about it
2019-06-17 16:34:13	mpickering	So really you have no chance of reading these files unless you use the exact same version to read them as produces them
2019-06-17 16:34:18	mpickering	good job we added the header
2019-06-17 16:35:03	wz1000	well, I don't think new built-in names are added everyday
2019-06-17 16:35:43	mpickering	I will generate them with alpha2 then
2019-06-17 16:37:02	wz1000	can't you just new-configure hiedb with the compiler you generated the hiefiles with?
2019-06-17 16:37:37	mpickering	Will it build?
2019-06-17 16:37:48	mpickering	I will just generate some new ones, not a big deal
2019-06-17 16:37:51	wz1000	probably. I use head to build it
2019-06-17 16:39:16	wz1000	building hiedb again will be faster than regenerating 1600 .hie files
2019-06-17 16:40:37	mpickering	Is there anything that can be done to reduce the dependency on the GHC version?
2019-06-17 16:40:48	mpickering	because now I can't really generate .hie files for base 
2019-06-17 16:41:02	wz1000	why is that?
2019-06-17 16:41:42	mpickering	because you have to compile base with HEAD
2019-06-17 16:41:55	wz1000	so compile hiedb with HEAD?
2019-06-17 16:41:56	mpickering	so the .hie files will only be usable if you have a HEAD hiedb installed
2019-06-17 16:42:00	wz1000	yes
2019-06-17 16:42:21	mpickering	I suppose you imagine that the .hie files can be distributed with a release
2019-06-17 16:42:27	mpickering	that would work
2019-06-17 16:43:28	wz1000	they are similar to .hi files at the moment. You can't really redistribute them unless you have some strict constraints on what can read them on the other end
2019-06-17 16:43:54	mpickering	you can distribute .hie files for ghc-8.6.4 with the 8.6.4 release
2019-06-17 16:44:34	wz1000	we can distribute lsif files instead
2019-06-17 16:44:43	wz1000	those should be properly portable
2019-06-17 16:45:00	mpickering	other people might want to use .hie files though
2019-06-17 16:45:06	mpickering	and they are more powerful
2019-06-17 16:46:06	wz1000	what is the problem with base exactly?
2019-06-17 16:46:24	wz1000	You use stage 1 to compile base and stage 2
2019-06-17 16:47:01	wz1000	the resulting .hie files should work with stage 2
2019-06-17 16:52:16	mpickering	yes but then you have to compile hiedb with HEAD if you generate them yourself
2019-06-17 16:52:27	mpickering	or you have to check out the release commit
2019-06-17 16:52:37	mpickering	which I suppose is ok
2019-06-17 16:52:49	mpickering	It seems a lot of effort to generate .hie files for base yourself
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2019-06-17 16:55:23	mpickering	Also what's in these `.hie-boot` files? are they useful?
2019-06-17 16:56:21	wz1000	they are just .hie files for .hs-boot files
2019-06-17 16:56:47	wz1000	hiedb doesn't index them atm but it should be able to
2019-06-17 16:57:10	mpickering	ok, heading out to lunch and then I will load my .hie files in
2019-06-17 16:57:19	mpickering	are you interested in the reflex idea at all?
2019-06-17 16:58:43	wz1000	sounds interesting, but I'm not really familiar with reflex
2019-06-17 17:01:02	cocreature	fwiw even Neil agrees that Shake isn’t quite the right abstraction here and we end up switching to something else at some point but so far it seems to do a pretty good job. So there was no immediate reason to switch to anything else.
2019-06-17 17:01:41	cocreature	*we might end up
2019-06-17 17:02:08	cocreature	mpickering: do you have anything specific in mind that should be easier with Reflex or is just impossible with Shake?
2019-06-17 17:02:24	dxld	what limitations of shake do you run into?
2019-06-17 17:04:48	wz1000	one thing I was concerned about was mixing and matching information from multiple version of the same file
2019-06-17 17:04:56	cocreature	not really any limitations, it’s more that it’s more complexity than we need in a lot of cases (but it doesn’t get in the way so it’s not really an issue) and there is some impedance mismatch in some areas. e.g. currently we keep the parsed module around even if typechecking succeeded which doesn’t make a lot of sense and increases memory usage.
2019-06-17 17:05:28	dxld	doesn't the TCM literally embed the parsed module?
2019-06-17 17:05:36	wz1000	for example, we can have a newer parsed module, as well as a an older typechecked module around at the same time
2019-06-17 17:06:22	wz1000	So if the file doesn't typecheck, but parses, we still use the old typechecked module to answer queries that need it, while using the newer parsed module for things that only need that
2019-06-17 17:08:09	cocreature	dxld: oh it does? I guess then it doesn’t matter for that case but the issue remains in general that you might want to GC data from previous stages once a later stage succeeds
2019-06-17 17:08:53	dxld	`tm_parsed_module :: ParsedModule` literally the first field :p
2019-06-17 17:09:07	dxld	yeah no makes sense
2019-06-17 17:09:15	wz1000	cocreature: if a file is edited, can you still access the old typechecked module, or does shake force you to throw that away?
2019-06-17 17:09:36	dxld	I probably don't know enough about shake to understand the more detailed explaination why you can't get rid of it though?
2019-06-17 17:11:14	cocreature	wz1000: Shake doesn’t force you to throw it away but that’s what we currently do. I don’t expect it to be too hard to change but I haven’t given it much thought so far
2019-06-17 17:16:32	cocreature	dxld: Shake basically keeps the outputs of all rules by default so you have to do basically do some manual GC to explicitly throw away things that you don’t want. We already do that in some places (e.g. to delete diagnostics for files that have been closed) but it would be nice to have the framework take care of this rather than have to do it yourself
2019-06-17 17:18:47	dxld	ah I see
2019-06-17 17:18:57	mpickering	cocreature: And my understanding is that is what reflex gives you.
2019-06-17 17:20:10	cocreature	Hm, yeah sounds like it should fix that particular issue. I’d definitely be interested to see how things work out if you try to base it on reflex
2019-06-17 17:20:36	dxld	lukelau_: can you link me to the record update that was leaking in hie? I'm doing a bit of a post-mortem on why exactly this sort of leak even has to happen.
2019-06-17 17:21:25	wz1000	dxld: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/commit/4d179a9efcaf7b4d378d69c4ba976435ac565096
2019-06-17 17:21:53	dxld	I have a sneking suspicion that GHC or the RTS should fix that sort of thing like they already do for record selectors during GC
2019-06-17 17:22:38	dxld	wz1000: yeah no, when we found the leak at zurihac we were looking at a specific record update of that field
2019-06-17 17:22:43	dxld	and I'm looking for that
2019-06-17 17:23:35	dxld	at least I think it was the moduleCache field being updated
2019-06-17 17:25:22	dxld	or maybe it was cradleCache
2019-06-17 17:28:41	dxld	*uriCaches
2019-06-17 17:44:57	mpickering	wz1000: It takes 24 seconds to load GHC hie files into the DB (561) files
2019-06-17 17:46:05	mpickering	Lookup is very fast
2019-06-17 17:46:13	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/r1to3eT5/
2019-06-17 17:46:20	mpickering	What is the last span?
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2019-06-17 17:48:55	wz1000	don't know
2019-06-17 17:51:29	mpickering	How do I use point-refs?
2019-06-17 17:52:42	wz1000	give it either a hiefile(with -f <file>) or a ModuleName, as well as a <LINE> <COLUMN>
2019-06-17 17:53:32	wz1000	`hiedb point-refs Main 91 92` should have the same result as above
2019-06-17 17:53:36	mpickering	I see
2019-06-17 17:53:37	mpickering	yes that works
2019-06-17 17:53:41	mpickering	this however doesn't
2019-06-17 17:53:51	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Ll6DFUnF/
2019-06-17 17:55:18	wz1000	what doesn't?
2019-06-17 17:55:57	mpickering	The file I just pasted
2019-06-17 17:56:06	mpickering	If I pass `-f` rather than say `Main`
2019-06-17 17:56:09	mpickering	it lists spans twice
2019-06-17 17:56:37	mpickering	Then if I run the previous command again, it still lists them twice
2019-06-17 17:56:41	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/n1wuveZt/
2019-06-17 17:56:42	lukelau_	dxld: GhcModuleCache field on IdeState
2019-06-17 17:57:23	wz1000	mpickering: oh, I missed a canonicalizeFilePath, so it creates duplicate entries. Good catch
2019-06-17 17:58:24	wz1000	point-refs is special cased to index its input, but while indexing it, I didn't canonicalize the filepath
2019-06-17 17:58:43	mpickering	I also opened an issue on the repo about the XDG specification
2019-06-17 17:58:55	wz1000	yeah, I saw
2019-06-17 17:59:01	dxld	lukelau_: yeah that bit I can see from the patch :P
2019-06-17 17:59:13	dxld	but I think I found the record update I was looking for anyways
2019-06-17 17:59:42	dxld	lukelau_: do you know why that field was never getting used again?
2019-06-17 18:00:02	mpickering	I don't think we had any deep insights about this
2019-06-17 18:00:16	mpickering	I think Luke guessed that the missing bang pattern was responsible
2019-06-17 18:00:18	mpickering	and then we verified it
2019-06-17 18:00:20	dxld	the way I see it the memory usage should have gone down again as soon as any code demands that field
2019-06-17 18:00:36	mpickering	dxld: Indeed, the trace should tell you precisely why it was retained
2019-06-17 18:00:49	mpickering	but we didn't look into that
2019-06-17 18:00:56	wz1000	mpickering: right now I store the last modified timestamp to avoid reindexing files. Do you think that should be a Hash instead?
2019-06-17 18:00:57	dxld	which trace?
2019-06-17 18:01:09	dxld	oh the findPtrs one
2019-06-17 18:01:19	dxld	well yeah it does but that's not what I'm asking about
2019-06-17 18:01:33	mpickering	wz1000: A hash sounds better
2019-06-17 18:01:37	dxld	it showed that it was retained because of the state TVar essentially
2019-06-17 18:01:42	dxld	and well, duh
2019-06-17 18:01:52	dxld	what I want to know is if we have this cache field
2019-06-17 18:01:56	dxld	why is nothing using it :)
2019-06-17 18:02:06	dxld	(or at least nothing in the test we were running)
2019-06-17 18:02:42	wz1000	mpickering: that will come at the cost of some speed though. try reindexing ghc, it should be lightning fast
2019-06-17 18:03:09	mpickering	yes it is fast
2019-06-17 18:03:20	mpickering	fast enough to run on every save
2019-06-17 18:03:23	mpickering	awesome work
2019-06-17 18:03:36	mpickering	wz1000: What are your next plans?
2019-06-17 18:04:30	mpickering	If you're interested in this reflex idea then we could do that for a little bit
2019-06-17 18:04:40	mpickering	I suppose the proper next step would be to add hie support to haskell-ide-engine
2019-06-17 18:05:02	wz1000	yes. We can look into reflex
2019-06-17 18:05:14	wz1000	Give me a couple of days to finish up the current stuff
2019-06-17 18:05:33	wz1000	I'm making HieDb usable as a library, and the typeclass evidence stuff is also almost done
2019-06-17 18:05:43	mpickering	nice one
2019-06-17 18:05:47	wz1000	I'll create a ticket either today or tomorrow
2019-06-17 18:05:53	wz1000	for typeclass evidence
2019-06-17 18:05:58	mpickering	Let me know when you're ready to move on and then we can discuss the design
2019-06-17 18:06:12	mpickering	dxld: When are you available again after your exams?
2019-06-17 18:06:17	wz1000	yeah
2019-06-17 18:07:24	wz1000	mpickering: but reindexing would be slower if we use a hash - we will have to actually read all those files
2019-06-17 18:09:02	mpickering	but a lot of build systems copy files around which changes mtime and causes pointless recompilation
2019-06-17 18:09:18	dxld	mpickering: last one is on the 2nd
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2019-06-17 18:10:38	dxld	but I'll probably be around here and there (like today) because I can't see another slide deck :)
2019-06-17 18:13:34	lukelau_	dxld: that wasn't that it that wasn't getting used
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2019-06-17 18:14:06	dxld	but if it was used the it would at least be eval'd to WHNF making the strictness anotation a nop, no?
2019-06-17 18:14:13	lukelau_	It was that it had was thunk? Which caused the old UriCache to be retained
2019-06-17 18:14:53	lukelau_	I don't have my laptop with me at the moment but I copied the output from findPtr, I'll post it this evening
2019-06-17 18:15:00	dxld	yeah, so the moduleCache field was a thunk which when executed would carry out the record update
2019-06-17 18:15:21	dxld	but since it was suspended it was holding on to both the old and new field
2019-06-17 18:15:28	lukelau_	Btw it turns out that patch only fixes it on hie-bios: something else is holding a reference to a typecheckedmodule on master ahaha
2019-06-17 18:15:45	dxld	and then doing that repeatetly gives you the dreaded thunk chain which we were observing via the increasing memory usage
2019-06-17 18:16:08	dxld	:)
2019-06-17 18:16:13	lukelau_	dxld: it was suspended?
2019-06-17 18:16:27	dxld	a thunk is a "suspended computation"
2019-06-17 18:16:33	wz1000	so the leak isn't fixed on master?
2019-06-17 18:16:41	lukelau_	ah ok i was thinking suspended process
2019-06-17 18:16:57	dxld	nah it's just what the general concept is called I think
2019-06-17 18:17:02	lukelau_	wz1000: only partially 
2019-06-17 18:17:09	dxld	maybe I read too many academic papers :p
2019-06-17 18:17:13	lukelau_	i found this out on the flight home :(
2019-06-17 18:17:29	lukelau_	but I have a good idea as to where it is
2019-06-17 18:17:36	dxld	I was wondering how you got it to fix it on master too
2019-06-17 18:17:51	lukelau_	Something inside setModulesGhc' in alanz's ghcmod fork
2019-06-17 18:17:53	dxld	since we did observe it not working on master the first time
2019-06-17 18:17:58	lukelau_	dxld: yeah
2019-06-17 18:18:16	mpickering	My office mate just reported that hie-bios is still leaking as well 
2019-06-17 18:18:22	mpickering	So I'm getting him to run the profiler on it
2019-06-17 18:18:31	dxld	with that patch?
2019-06-17 18:18:34	lukelau_	but because hie-bios doesn't have that ghcmod bit, once the GhcModulesCache thing was fixed it stopped leaking
2019-06-17 18:18:43	mpickering	yes with that patch apparently
2019-06-17 18:18:46	dxld	ok
2019-06-17 18:18:49	lukelau_	damn
2019-06-17 18:19:13	lukelau_	Are they on mac as well?
2019-06-17 18:19:14	mpickering	but our controlled profiles did look good..
2019-06-17 18:19:15	mpickering	no
2019-06-17 18:19:21	mpickering	Ubuntu
2019-06-17 18:19:29	mpickering	my profiles on nixos looked fine though?
2019-06-17 18:19:31	lukelau_	Would running it with profiling affect the GC?
2019-06-17 18:19:46	mpickering	yes, gc runs before every profiling run
2019-06-17 18:20:12	mpickering	otherwise it is triggered when the nursery is full. He was reporting 15gb of memory usage though
2019-06-17 18:20:21	lukelau_	although from what i remember just testing it without profiling via activity monitor it seemed fine
2019-06-17 18:20:41	lukelau_	back to the drawing board
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2019-06-17 22:49:02	alanz	hexagoxel, I am compulsively refreshing http://hackage.haskell.org/package/brittany at the moment
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2019-06-18 00:24:47	lukelau	mpickering wz1000: got the leak, for real this time
2019-06-18 00:25:00	lukelau	slippery IORef inside getModulesGhc’
2019-06-18 00:25:13	wz1000	nice
2019-06-18 00:25:29	lukelau	Changed it to MVar, HIE hovers around 400Mb after 20 edits
2019-06-18 00:25:44	alanz	nice
2019-06-18 00:25:47	wz1000	how does that help?
2019-06-18 00:26:28	mpickering	lukelau: luck or skill? 
2019-06-18 00:26:54	lukelau	My suspicion is that since the IORefs get modified by passing a function to GHC’s hooks, that either they start getting put on a different thread by ghcmod
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2019-06-18 00:27:08	lukelau	Or the fact that none of the Hooks fields are strict in the GHC API
2019-06-18 00:27:21	lukelau	mpickering: Neither, +RTS -hy
2019-06-18 00:27:36	lukelau	It was actually bang on the money for where the leak was
2019-06-18 00:28:03	lukelau	*-hr
2019-06-18 00:28:26	wz1000	It was an IORef (Maybe x) anyway, right?
2019-06-18 00:28:51	lukelau	Just to clarify though that GhcModuleCache was also one of the causes of the leak, it also needs to remain strict
2019-06-18 00:29:04	lukelau	wz1000: Yeah
2019-06-18 00:29:19	lukelau	Would the Maybe make a difference?
2019-06-18 00:29:29	cocreature	-hy sounds like skill :)
2019-06-18 00:29:41	wz1000	then MVar is a better fit with regards to the API too
2019-06-18 00:32:47	mpickering	Did you try gdb again? 
2019-06-18 00:33:41	lukelau	cocreature: yeah lol, if you can fix a leak from looking at types like “ARR_WORDS” and “[]” then you deserve a medal
2019-06-18 00:33:55	cocreature	lukelau: exactly :)
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2019-06-18 00:35:00	lukelau	mpickering: Unfortunately no
2019-06-18 00:35:57	lukelau	Re your email, I think that would have also worked too though
2019-06-18 00:36:51	lukelau	But my problem was that the typechecked module was getting garbage collected in the place that we last put in the weakptr trap
2019-06-18 00:37:07	lukelau	It looks like there were multiple copies of it floating about
2019-06-18 00:39:53	mpickering	So can you add another trap somewhere else which would have got this leak? 
2019-06-18 00:40:51	lukelau	I’m not sure, its hard to tell when it should be deallocated
2019-06-18 00:41:53	lukelau	Since the object gets passed out of getModulesGhc’, and the only place I could really instinctively think of where it would definitely be deallocated is when the cache is overriden
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2019-06-18 00:43:09	mpickering	I have another leaking example to test 
2019-06-18 00:43:22	lukelau	Can we use it for the blog post?
2019-06-18 00:43:58	lukelau	We still needed the gdb method for the ghcModulesCache leak though
2019-06-18 00:51:12	mpickering	What happens if you throw an exception in the finalise? 
2019-06-18 00:51:22	mpickering	Can you see where the object is gced
2019-06-18 00:51:26	mpickering	With -xc
2019-06-18 00:51:56	lukelau	Let me try that out
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2019-06-18 01:02:07	mpickering	You need profiling for xc remember 
2019-06-18 01:03:46	mpickering	I assume it doesn't correlate to much as gc happens sporadically
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2019-06-18 01:31:16	mpickering	Can't even reproduce the leak my office mate saw https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/6Z1P13Pz/image.png
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2019-06-18 01:31:27	mpickering	lukelau: I get the impression the test isn't run 50 times like the loop says it should be
2019-06-18 01:33:01	lukelau	are you using the leak-test executable?
2019-06-18 01:33:04	mpickering	yes
2019-06-18 01:33:11	lukelau	its logging stuff right?
2019-06-18 01:33:29	mpickering	yes but doesn't seem like 50x
2019-06-18 01:34:03	mpickering	how can I get him to record the commands he uses in vscode?
2019-06-18 01:34:12	mpickering	seems like replaySession is meant to be used for this?
2019-06-18 01:34:16	lukelau	Yeah
2019-06-18 01:34:25	lukelau	Pass -c to hie
2019-06-18 01:34:33	lukelau	And then there’s a module in lsp-test for rerunning it
2019-06-18 01:34:56	lukelau	I haven’t used it in a while, let me know if it acts funny
2019-06-18 01:34:57	wz1000	you should wait before running the loop - there is a debouncer that prevents multiple compiles from queuing up
2019-06-18 01:34:58	mpickering	where does the output get written to?
2019-06-18 01:35:07	mpickering	there is supposed to be a wait
2019-06-18 01:35:18	mpickering	at least it says "waitForDiagnostics"
2019-06-18 01:35:21	lukelau	You specify `hie -c session.log`
2019-06-18 01:35:40	lukelau	mpickering: yeah the waitfordiagnostics is the wait
2019-06-18 01:35:56	lukelau	you can also add a threaddelay if you want to be sure
2019-06-18 01:36:09	lukelau	but its probably worthwhile just checking the logs to see there’s no errors diagnostics
2019-06-18 01:36:34	lukelau	Alternatively, you can make the edit produce an error and then do waitfordiagnosticssource “ghc-mod”
2019-06-18 01:36:46	lukelau	or whatever the diagnostics provider name is in hie-bios
2019-06-18 01:37:23	mpickering	I can see it reloading the module over and over again, so that looks fine
2019-06-18 01:37:37	lukelau	By the way there’s still some small thing leaking that’s building up over time, I think it’s HscEnv so I’m going to try and squash that
2019-06-18 01:37:55	lukelau	*leaking on master
2019-06-18 01:39:36	mpickering	can you push your current change somewhere
2019-06-18 01:39:47	mpickering	so I can review now, whilst I'm in h-i-e mode
2019-06-18 01:40:13	lukelau	Sure
2019-06-18 01:45:05	lukelau	https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/pull/21
2019-06-18 01:47:25	mpickering	oh, there are just continual parse errors it seems.
2019-06-18 01:47:43	lukelau	thats probably why its not typechecking
2019-06-18 01:47:47	lukelau	and thus leaking
2019-06-18 01:47:51	lukelau	*not leaking
2019-06-18 01:49:13	mpickering	hmm
2019-06-18 01:49:31	mpickering	can I get it to print out what it thinks the document looks like?
2019-06-18 01:50:02	lukelau	getDocumentContents doc >>= liftIO . print
2019-06-18 01:53:04	mpickering	`putMVar` is quite different to `writeIORef`?
2019-06-18 01:53:59	lukelau	I’m using tryTakeMVar to still get the return
2019-06-18 01:54:03	lukelau	*Maybe
2019-06-18 01:54:33	mpickering	but `putMVar` blocks if the `MVar` is empty
2019-06-18 01:54:42	mpickering	*isn't
2019-06-18 01:55:20	lukelau	Can saveTypechecked hooks be called more than once? 
2019-06-18 01:55:33	lukelau	Should probably use a non-blocking version then
2019-06-18 01:56:03	mpickering	probably not
2019-06-18 01:56:13	mpickering	but the change isn't obviously correct
2019-06-18 01:58:42	wz1000	the mvar is only going to be written to once, no?
2019-06-18 01:59:30	mpickering	also why does this fix a leak :) ?
2019-06-18 02:00:01	wz1000	I don't know. Why did you think of doing this lukelau ?
2019-06-18 02:02:06	lukelau	IORef isn’t thread safe, and perhaps ghcmod does some threading stuff? cc dxld 
2019-06-18 02:03:16	mpickering	It's just passed to the GHC API though?
2019-06-18 02:03:23	mpickering	which is not forked surely
2019-06-18 02:03:33	lukelau	wz1000: I looked at the haddocks for IORef and saw that there’s a strict version of modifyIORef, so decided just to swap it out for something higher level
2019-06-18 02:03:35	wz1000	ghc and ghcmod run on the same thread iirc
2019-06-18 02:03:53	lukelau	It’s not forked no
2019-06-18 02:04:32	mpickering	did you try forcing the value before writing it to the IORef?
2019-06-18 02:04:43	lukelau	forcing the value?
2019-06-18 02:05:29	mpickering	Replace `writeIORef . Just` with `x `seq` writeIORef (Just x)`
2019-06-18 02:05:46	mpickering	I can't think they this change to an MVar would help anything
2019-06-18 02:06:16	lukelau	Ok will try that
2019-06-18 02:06:19	lukelau	By the way https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/5982
2019-06-18 02:08:04	mpickering	lukelau: Can I turn off hlint somehow in the leak-test?
2019-06-18 02:08:19	lukelau	Yes
2019-06-18 02:08:36	lukelau	You can set the initialistion options for hie in the session config
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2019-06-18 02:08:45	lukelau	let me find the file in hie’s tests which turns off hlint with that
2019-06-18 02:09:01	mpickering	I am seeing some very strange behaviour where the first load succeeds but then after saving the plugin fails to run
2019-06-18 02:09:54	lukelau	      let config = def { liquidOn  = True, hlintOn = False }
2019-06-18 02:09:55	lukelau	      sendNotification WorkspaceDidChangeConfiguration (DidChangeConfigurationParams (toJSON config))
2019-06-18 02:16:51	mpickering	thanks
2019-06-18 02:16:53	wz1000	mpickering: hiedb is more or less ready now. I can add a few more commands though
2019-06-18 02:17:10	mpickering	so carefully looking at the logs the plugin fails to run even the first time
2019-06-18 02:17:46	mpickering	actually no.. how can this be broken. It works on his computer lol
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2019-06-18 02:41:07	mpickering	Oh I realised the problem. Plugins were always broken but I'm on my fixed branch which turns off defer-type-errors haha
2019-06-18 02:58:53	alanz	lukelau, I will merge that ghc-mod mvar thing tomorrow, when I can shepherd it through hie too, and my other ghc-mod branch
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2019-06-18 04:52:19	mpickering	lukelau: I found another leak with gdb 
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2019-06-18 15:14:29	lukelau_	mpickering: nice, I just saw your commit
2019-06-18 15:14:44	lukelau_	Where did you attach the weak pointers to?
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2019-06-18 15:31:18	mpickering	lukelau_: Same ones that you already added
2019-06-18 15:31:29	mpickering	but a different leak because I was caching modules differently to on master
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2019-06-18 16:37:40	mpickering	Normalised line chart https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/390mIIKJ/visualization(1).png
2019-06-18 16:37:51	mpickering	Could be useful for finding other "leaks"
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2019-06-19 00:38:44	lukelau	alanz: sorry for jerking you around https://github.com/alanz/ghc-mod/pull/22
2019-06-19 00:39:08	lukelau	mpickering: were you able to get it leaking on your machine?
2019-06-19 00:39:42	mpickering	Get what leaking in particular?
2019-06-19 00:40:05	mpickering	I am just using my branch and I fixed a leak in it last night which you saw
2019-06-19 00:40:20	mpickering	http://mpickering.github.io/hie.eventlog
2019-06-19 00:40:21	lukelau	Memory
2019-06-19 00:40:28	mpickering	That's the latest profile, which still shows leaks
2019-06-19 00:40:36	mpickering	but you can see that `HsExpr` doesn't leak nearly as badly
2019-06-19 00:40:36	lukelau	Ah cool
2019-06-19 00:40:44	lukelau	Yeah I’m finding the same thing
2019-06-19 00:40:54	lukelau	I’m still leaking a bit
2019-06-19 00:40:57	alanz	lukelau, why are you using tryPutMVar instead of putMVar?
2019-06-19 00:41:01	lukelau	A lot less, but it still leaks
2019-06-19 00:41:25	lukelau	alanz: In the rare event that the hooks are called twice
2019-06-19 00:41:29	lukelau	It’s better than having it hang I guess
2019-06-19 00:41:39	alanz	why?
2019-06-19 00:41:44	alanz	why would it hang?
2019-06-19 00:41:48	lukelau	putMVar blocks
2019-06-19 00:41:57	mpickering	lukelau: For now I think it's best to get the blog post finished and get the testing infrastructure into the main code base
2019-06-19 00:42:04	mpickering	rather than keep chasing these, it's already way better
2019-06-19 00:42:05	alanz	I know it blocks, how would it block in our usage of it?
2019-06-19 00:42:09	lukelau	I just assumed that GHC would call those callbacks once
2019-06-19 00:42:40	lukelau	If it called it a second time it would deadlock right? since the read is after all that stuff happens
2019-06-19 00:42:58	alanz	yes, and that is an error, and we would debug it
2019-06-19 00:43:14	alanz	we are throwing away the possibility of being helped to find errors in our code
2019-06-19 00:43:27	alanz	and making future us confused about what is going on
2019-06-19 00:43:45	lukelau	Fair enough, I guess you’re right that its better to stay within the invariants
2019-06-19 00:43:53	alanz	because we would assume there is an actual *reason* to try
2019-06-19 00:44:00	mpickering	the bigger question here is why does it help anything using an mvaer
2019-06-19 00:44:06	lukelau	I still don’t have a solid idea as to why
2019-06-19 00:44:12	alanz	I could perhaps understand chcking the return value, and erroring on False
2019-06-19 00:44:33	alanz	with the equivalent of a panic
2019-06-19 00:44:36	lukelau	Would GHC be able to detect deadlock here?
2019-06-19 00:44:38	alanz	mpickering, I agree
2019-06-19 00:44:48	alanz	maybe use a TVar?
2019-06-19 00:45:09	mpickering	I would expect all these to leak if the IORef does
2019-06-19 00:45:12	alanz	I know there is a strict and a lazy version of update functions
2019-06-19 00:45:59	alanz	maybe the actual problem was using the wrong one for the IORef? Or dangling weak pointers? Admittedly I have not been following this closely
2019-06-19 00:46:58	mpickering	lukelau: Can you build with debug info and go into gdb to work this out
2019-06-19 00:47:13	mpickering	If you look for the TypecheckedModule con_info first
2019-06-19 00:47:15	mpickering	you might get a few
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2019-06-19 00:47:28	mpickering	but go through them all using findPtr
2019-06-19 00:47:40	mpickering	and see which one is the one for the weak ptr
2019-06-19 00:47:59	mpickering	we can pair and do it if you like (a bit later, gtg now)
2019-06-19 00:48:13	lukelau	Yeah, I gave up trying to get the weakptr to leak after gc
2019-06-19 00:48:36	lukelau	Just before you go, is ghc-options: —debug -g3 enough to build with debug libraries?
2019-06-19 00:48:44	lukelau	Or did you have to do a custom ghc build?
2019-06-19 00:49:01	mpickering	-debug -g3 is enough
2019-06-19 00:49:12	mpickering	but you have to build dependencies with -g3 as well
2019-06-19 00:49:21	mpickering	if you want to debug inside those
2019-06-19 00:49:48	mpickering	I didn't work out how to get debug symbols for the rts, my test build didn't work
2019-06-19 00:50:03	mpickering	So this leak isn't one which the weak ptr identified?
2019-06-19 00:50:31	lukelau	It wasn’t no, unfortunately
2019-06-19 00:50:58	lukelau	I was looking inside ghc-mod-core/Target.hs
2019-06-19 00:51:04	mpickering	ok gtg
2019-06-19 00:51:08	lukelau	See ya
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2019-06-19 01:14:54	lukelau	mpickering: I didn’t realise the event log wasn’t an image
2019-06-19 01:14:56	lukelau	thats cool!
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2019-06-19 01:34:03	mpickering	lukelau: It's a new library I am writing
2019-06-19 01:36:01	mpickering	You can try it as well if you like. https://github.com/mpickering/hp2pretty
2019-06-19 01:36:13	mpickering	Run the executable with `-e ghc.eventlog -j`
2019-06-19 01:36:23	mpickering	You can get an eventlog using `+RTS -prof -l`
2019-06-19 01:37:45	lukelau	Nice
2019-06-19 01:38:18	lukelau	by the way I just wasted a bunch of time trying to get cabal to link the rts with debug info
2019-06-19 01:38:29	lukelau	It doesn’t relink even if you change the ghc-options flags
2019-06-19 01:40:37	mpickering	What exactly are you doing?
2019-06-19 01:40:40	mpickering	did you get it work now?
2019-06-19 01:41:20	lukelau	setting -debug -g3 -fwhole-module-archive in ghc-options of the hie executable
2019-06-19 01:41:26	lukelau	got findPtr now
2019-06-19 01:42:11	mpickering	right good
2019-06-19 01:42:19	mpickering	That's what I had in my sample project as well
2019-06-19 01:42:53	lukelau	Now I need to wrestle with either lldb to get it to cast it to the right type, or try and codesign gdb to get installed on my computer
2019-06-19 01:44:20	mpickering	How is your ghc installed?
2019-06-19 01:45:07	lukelau	ghc?
2019-06-19 01:45:13	lukelau	via homebrew
2019-06-19 01:45:24	lukelau	which is the binary dist IIRC
2019-06-19 01:45:57	mpickering	they probably strip the libraries though when they install
2019-06-19 01:46:11	mpickering	so if you manually install the bindist you might get debug symbols in the rts
2019-06-19 01:46:53	lukelau	I have the debug symbols
2019-06-19 01:47:02	mpickering	not if you have to cast findPtr?
2019-06-19 01:47:02	lukelau	I can see them with nm
2019-06-19 01:47:11	lukelau	But i think I need to do that dsymutil
2019-06-19 01:47:16	mpickering	but you don't have dwarf info?
2019-06-19 01:47:33	mpickering	ah right
2019-06-19 01:47:44	lukelau	No, I don’t think mach/darwin uses that sectioin
2019-06-19 01:47:46	lukelau	*section
2019-06-19 01:48:11	lukelau	I am seeing a lot of “warning: (x86_64)  could not find object file symbol for symbol _s2lSq_info_dsp” when running dsymutil though. should probably take a look at that
2019-06-19 01:59:18	wz1000	lukelau: you can use tryPutMVar and explictly error out if there is already a value in the mvar
2019-06-19 01:59:35	wz1000	that is better than making the process hang
2019-06-19 02:11:08	lukelau	Ah yeah I could have just used `guard` come to think of it
2019-06-19 02:11:31	lukelau	mpickering: got gdb installed, was able to call findptr
2019-06-19 02:11:43	lukelau	No idea what type to constructor to call findptr on now though
2019-06-19 02:13:19	mpickering	lukelau: Do you want to screen share?
2019-06-19 02:13:31	lukelau	Sure
2019-06-19 02:13:46	lukelau	How?
2019-06-19 02:13:48	mpickering	I've not done this before but I believe it's possible mac-to-mac?
2019-06-19 02:14:00	lukelau	via imessage yes
2019-06-19 02:14:29	mpickering	you can do it on google hangouts as well
2019-06-19 02:14:31	mpickering	that's easier for me
2019-06-19 02:16:49	lukelau	Ok, setting one up
2019-06-19 02:18:09	lukelau	https://meet.google.com/swq-bsjj-owe
2019-06-19 02:18:32	lukelau	This is quite terrifying that a website can record my screen
2019-06-19 02:18:38	lukelau	And also see individual windows
2019-06-19 02:20:28	lukelau	Firefox crashes if I change the tab in my terminal emulator ahaha
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2019-06-19 04:57:03	mpickering	lukelau: I worked out how to get the address
2019-06-19 04:58:49	mpickering	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/commit/e680bf1f2f90ab8b521746cbbbc4e3b4c27095ad#diff-fb69f899fd005326a13dddab5748049fR341
2019-06-19 04:58:56	mpickering	then use p4 on the address you get
2019-06-19 04:59:19	mpickering	and the thing you want is the address associated with it
2019-06-19 04:59:29	lukelau	That’s so dirty
2019-06-19 04:59:30	lukelau	I love it
2019-06-19 04:59:54	lukelau	I’ll include this in the blog post too
2019-06-19 05:00:25	mpickering	int-e helped me in #ghc
2019-06-19 05:02:27	mpickering	need to clean this up
2019-06-19 05:06:12	mpickering	findPtr still crashes for me though
2019-06-19 05:06:15	mpickering	I think this is a bug in ghc
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2019-06-19 17:55:56	maqbool	Hello, I finally able install hie for sublime text 3 but in some files when i press F12 I don't get jump to definations feature and How do i disable hlint Thanks for this awesome project :)
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2019-06-19 18:04:00	fendor	well, damn me, i was about to answer
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2019-06-20 01:20:33	mpickering	That video about rust was interesting, thanks Zubin
2019-06-20 01:29:27	wz1000	there are a couple more like that. alanz showed me this a couple of years ago: https://channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/Seth-Juarez/Anders-Hejlsberg-on-Modern-Compiler-Construction
2019-06-20 01:29:54	wz1000	And scala also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxyyJyB_Ssc
2019-06-20 01:30:11	alanz	wz1000, I have a feeling that the shake approach could be taking us in that direction
2019-06-20 01:30:20	alanz	which rust video?
2019-06-20 01:30:33	wz1000	alanz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6b44kMS6OM
2019-06-20 01:31:26	alanz	thanks. Will watch when I get time. Both of those.
2019-06-20 01:32:22	alanz	emacs capture todo ftw
2019-06-20 01:33:25	alanz	btw, I had a chat to ndm earlier today about hie-bios, shake, etc
2019-06-20 01:33:50	alanz	Hoping to see some options coming around a "hie-core"
2019-06-20 01:34:36	alanz	as an evolution of https://github.com/digital-asset/daml/tree/master/compiler/haskell-ide-core
2019-06-20 01:36:32	wz1000	as a replacement for hie-plugin-api?
2019-06-20 01:37:45	alanz	as a revisit of the layering
2019-06-20 01:38:07	alanz	and basically start a discussion about the right pieces to have, and how they fit together.
2019-06-20 01:38:54	alanz	But yes, something like a hie-bios at the bottom, something to manage caching of artifacts, module graphs, etc in the middle, plugins, and interface for lsp at the top
2019-06-20 01:39:18	alanz	so hie-plugin-api gets split in three, in my mind.
2019-06-20 01:39:31	alanz	which is kind of what I have been thinking of for a while
2019-06-20 01:41:03	alanz	Also, plugins are more "pluggable", which was always the idea, for e.g. in MainHie.hs we just list them and compile. Similar process, but up to the user to decide what to include
2019-06-20 01:41:22	 *	alanz afk, tv programme time. Final Chernobyl for me
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2019-06-20 01:45:08	wz1000	mpickering: btw, figured out where the single point SrcSpan for `main` is coming from: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/blob/master/compiler/typecheck/TcRnDriver.hs#L1733
2019-06-20 01:45:19	wz1000	do you think its worth fixing?
2019-06-20 01:49:45	wz1000	Note [Root-main Id] is interesting
2019-06-20 01:50:02	wz1000	we should do the filtering for hie files too
2019-06-20 01:55:35	mpickering	Why does it end up being a single point?
2019-06-20 01:55:50	mpickering	what's the proposed fix?
2019-06-20 01:56:45	wz1000	mpickering: srcLocSpan takes a single point and makes it into a span
2019-06-20 01:56:53	mpickering	ah ok
2019-06-20 01:57:34	wz1000	we should probably just make that a Unhelpful
2019-06-20 01:57:37	wz1000	Span
2019-06-20 01:57:50	wz1000	Then the .hie stuff will just ignore it
2019-06-20 01:58:22	mpickering	Why does the name not have a proper SrcSpan?
2019-06-20 01:59:38	wz1000	it does. that piece of code fabricates an additional binding of rootMain = main and adds it to the file
2019-06-20 02:00:00	wz1000	and the span of rootMain is the single point
2019-06-20 02:00:14	wz1000	rootMain's occname is just `main` though
2019-06-20 02:00:28	wz1000	Since that binding doesn't appear in the original source, it shouldn't have a SrcSpan
2019-06-20 02:00:43	wz1000	especially not a fabricated single point SrcSpan
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2019-06-20 02:44:52	mpickering	wz1000: There is probably some reason to have the span though, do we want to filter it out just like MkIface does?
2019-06-20 02:47:01	wz1000	mpickering: yeah, I just noticed there is. It shows up in error messages when you give main a non `IO a` type
2019-06-20 02:47:24	wz1000	So I think we can expand the span to the entire name
2019-06-20 02:47:55	mpickering	but it doesn't appear in the source program?
2019-06-20 02:47:59	mpickering	so why should it appear in the hie file?
2019-06-20 02:48:03	mpickering	filtering it out seems right
2019-06-20 02:48:24	wz1000	ok
2019-06-20 02:50:00	mpickering	I assume you already filter out things like class methods and things like that?
2019-06-20 02:50:07	mpickering	and methods created by deriving
2019-06-20 02:50:30	wz1000	no, I think we keep everything that has a RealSrcSpan
2019-06-20 02:52:10	wz1000	why would class methods be filtered out?
2019-06-20 02:58:32	mpickering	I meant derived instance methods
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2019-06-20 05:07:33	lukelau	mpickering: what was the ghc bug?
2019-06-20 05:07:55	lukelau	were you able to trace what findptr was doing?
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2019-06-20 16:24:15	mpickering	lukelau: I didn't investigate but it's the fact that findPtr just hangs 
2019-06-20 16:24:23	mpickering	seems something is wrong with the traversal logic
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2019-06-20 17:53:22	alanz	dxld, have you seen https://github.com/Ericson2314/ghc-proposals/blob/th-stage-hygiene/proposals/0000-th-stage-hygiene.rst?
2019-06-20 17:59:19	dxld	oh that sounds cool
2019-06-20 18:00:02	dxld	"The current "stage restriction" on splices using items from module is abolished" about time :D
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2019-06-20 18:32:46	infinisil	Aw man, in all-hies I forgot to put in code that updates the submodules
2019-06-20 18:32:48	infinisil	So HIE version 0.10.0 from all-hies still has all submodules from 0.9.0 probably
2019-06-20 18:33:17	infinisil	I should really clone it into a new directory instead of doing the git repo update dance
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2019-06-20 18:37:08	infinisil	Oh actually, never mind
2019-06-20 18:37:36	infinisil	I'm only using a local git repo to get the listing of stack-*.yaml files
2019-06-20 18:38:17	infinisil	I could probably use the github api for this actually
2019-06-20 19:10:04	jose_zap	lukelau did you find any noticeable improvement after fixing the memory leak you found?
2019-06-20 19:11:15	jose_zap	I've been trying it locally and seemed like not much has changed. I can pretty reliably reproduce a memory leak by changing a single line repetitively
2019-06-20 19:11:37	mpickering	jose_zap: There are still leaks
2019-06-20 19:11:51	mpickering	but these fixes did help from our experiments
2019-06-20 19:12:02	mpickering	Luke has some more systematic tests that he needs to upstream
2019-06-20 19:12:12	jose_zap	that's what I figured. I guess I was overly excited about the findings. Maby we should reopne the tickets we closed about the excesive memory usage
2019-06-20 19:12:29	jose_zap	mpickering do you want some help putting this into a PR? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1296
2019-06-20 19:12:37	mpickering	http://mpickering.github.io/hie.eventlog
2019-06-20 19:12:42	mpickering	That's the latest profile I ran on my branch
2019-06-20 19:13:13	mpickering	jose_zap: Sure, I think you just need to apply that patch to master
2019-06-20 19:13:16	mpickering	I have it on my branch
2019-06-20 19:13:35	jose_zap	will do, do you mind if I use bangpatterns instead of plain seq?
2019-06-20 19:13:50	mpickering	sure
2019-06-20 19:14:23	mpickering	jose_zap: You can see the biggest leak is coming from a `Map` of some kind. Probably the name map or type map
2019-06-20 19:14:38	mpickering	but we didn't try to fix anything to do with that yet. We just concentrated on TypecheckedModule
2019-06-20 19:14:51	mpickering	which you can see we have nearly eliminated by clicking on `HsExpr` on the graph
2019-06-20 19:15:01	mpickering	and observe that on each load the memory usage spikes and drops
2019-06-20 19:15:21	jose_zap	interesting
2019-06-20 19:16:13	mpickering	each line on the graph is a module load
2019-06-20 19:17:21	jose_zap	a different module or the same one?
2019-06-20 19:17:30	jose_zap	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1305
2019-06-20 19:18:50	mpickering	same one
2019-06-20 19:19:10	mpickering	but this is also a project using unboxed tuples so it forces -fobject-code which causes additional reloading
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2019-06-20 19:21:39	mpickering	jose_zap: We are using lsp-test to do this profiling btw so it just iterates and sends 50 reload requests
2019-06-20 19:21:53	mpickering	Much easier to isolate the leaks that way
2019-06-20 19:22:20	jose_zap	that's clever. It would be nice to have that as an optional test suite
2019-06-20 19:22:31	jose_zap	so we can run it every now and then to see progress on this issue
2019-06-20 19:24:24	mpickering	there's some more clever stuff, luke promises a blog post shortly
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2019-06-21 00:42:33	lukelau	mpickering: was p4 a macro you defined in gdb?
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2019-06-21 00:44:14	lukelau	Woo! Got gdb to work again
2019-06-21 00:44:29	lukelau	The problem was with lsp-test doing stupid things with the stderr handle
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2019-06-21 00:47:27	alanz	lukelau, nice
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2019-06-21 01:46:51	mpickering	lukelau: Google for ghc gdb macros
2019-06-21 01:47:31	mpickering	You should be able to try Ben's gdb scripts as well seeing as it looked like you had the debug RTS
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2019-06-21 17:44:32	jose_zap	alanz are you around?
2019-06-21 17:44:49	jose_zap	I'm having trouble with this function and the coc lsp client for vim https://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp-0.14.0.0/docs/Language-Haskell-LSP-Core.html#t:InitializeCallback
2019-06-21 17:45:11	jose_zap	`DidChangeConfigurationNotification` is not the initialization message we get from the client
2019-06-21 17:45:45	jose_zap	it actually is `InitializeNotification`
2019-06-21 17:45:59	jose_zap	should we make this function listen to both?
2019-06-21 17:47:29	alanz	jose_zap, I think so
2019-06-21 17:47:47	alanz	the one is part of the initial capability negotiation on startup
2019-06-21 17:47:57	alanz	the other is if the use changes something along the way
2019-06-21 17:48:17	alanz	iirc
2019-06-21 17:48:21	jose_zap	correct
2019-06-21 17:48:41	jose_zap	what's the purpose of having this callback in the lsp core? Should it not be handled by the specific implementation instead?
2019-06-21 17:51:49	alanz	well, you have to have it, to be able to do the startup
2019-06-21 17:52:08	alanz	and it is a two-way thing, so the core needs to process part of it too
2019-06-21 17:53:01	alanz	But I last looked at this stuff a long time ago, should probably refresh my knowledge, but can't do it right now
2019-06-21 17:53:11	jose_zap	ok, I'll change it to a record of function
2019-06-21 17:53:40	jose_zap	so that there is one function for initialize, one for changing and the other with the lsp funcs
2019-06-21 17:54:06	jose_zap	I think using a record will be clearer as I can document each member separately on what it needs to to
2019-06-21 17:56:59	alanz	ok
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2019-06-22 18:56:18	wz1000	mpickering: ping
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2019-06-22 19:11:56	mpickering	wz1000: hello
2019-06-22 19:15:31	wz1000	hi. So i've got the typeclass evidence thing working pretty well, even added a few commands to hiedb to take advantage of it
2019-06-22 19:15:35	wz1000	but
2019-06-22 19:15:56	wz1000	it breaks the roundtrip testing for .hie files in GHC, and I'm out of ideas on how to fix it
2019-06-22 19:16:58	wz1000	The fundamental problem is that local names can't be compared across compiles reliably
2019-06-22 19:17:36	wz1000	So I used the tuple (nameOccName, nameSrcSpan) to compare local names, which worked fine until now
2019-06-22 19:18:25	wz1000	but the problem is that evidence variables share OccNames, and have UnhelpfulSrcSpans
2019-06-22 19:20:06	wz1000	So if in any particular span, there is an evidence variable for both `Show a` and `Show b`, ghc will give both of variables occ name "dShow"
2019-06-22 19:21:45	wz1000	And these names go in a Map. I compare maps converting them to lists and sorting on (nameOccName, nameSrcSpan).
2019-06-22 19:22:29	wz1000	but after this sort, the order dShow{a} and dShow{b} occur in the list is not stable 
2019-06-22 19:23:23	mpickering	Is this just a problem for testing? 
2019-06-22 19:23:27	wz1000	yes
2019-06-22 19:23:59	mpickering	What is the test exactly? 
2019-06-22 19:24:20	wz1000	roundtrip testing of .hie files after serialization
2019-06-22 19:25:13	wz1000	the only *correct* solution I can think for this is something like graph isomorphism
2019-06-22 19:25:20	wz1000	which is obviously a bad idea
2019-06-22 19:25:42	mpickering	Can you add the type of the variables as well? 
2019-06-22 19:25:50	mpickering	They will have different types?
2019-06-22 19:27:48	wz1000	yes, good idea
2019-06-22 19:30:12	wz1000	but this depends on the property that we will never encounter two distinct evidence variables for the same type in the same span
2019-06-22 19:34:17	wz1000	yay, it seems to work
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2019-06-22 19:48:34	mpickering	Seems impossible to me
2019-06-22 19:57:50	wz1000	mpickering: Also, does this Ord instance look reasonable: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/7a5c062a3836000476ccea7c1c5158d2
2019-06-22 19:58:22	wz1000	It needs to go in a Set, that is why the Ord is needed
2019-06-22 19:59:03	wz1000	EvLetBind is for when we have evidence like dEqListChar = dEqList dEqChar
2019-06-22 19:59:56	wz1000	the contextinfo for dEqListChar would have EvLetBind [dEqList,dEqChar]
2019-06-22 20:06:30	mpickering	It seems strange to me to define the ord instance like that
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2019-06-22 21:33:01	wz1000	mpickering: if two EvLetBinds somehow make their way into the AST, only one will be preserved with this Ord instance
2019-06-22 21:33:55	wz1000	however, if the ord instance depends on the order of names, which is non determinstic, we might have two EvLetBinds in non deterministic order
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2019-06-22 21:44:07	mpickering	can't you sort the names then?
2019-06-22 22:03:56	wz1000	mpickering: that is non deterministic
2019-06-22 22:04:53	mpickering	You can sort the names by something other than unique
2019-06-22 22:05:16	mpickering	`stableNameCmp`
2019-06-22 22:05:57	wz1000	" This only works for Names that originate in the source code or have been tidied"
2019-06-22 22:06:02	mpickering	hmm that seems to compare OccNames
2019-06-22 22:06:15	mpickering	I think these instances will break things
2019-06-22 22:06:34	wz1000	`EvBindDeps?
2019-06-22 22:09:41	mpickering	Yes because you return True when two things are clearly not equal
2019-06-22 22:10:15	mpickering	For the purposes of inserting things into a map it will probably be ok
2019-06-22 22:10:25	mpickering	but in general these instances are bad
2019-06-22 22:13:35	wz1000	what about some trickery with PatternSynonyms so that EvBindDeps is not exported and EvLetBinds :: [Name] -> EvVarSource?
2019-06-22 22:14:36	mpickering	You can define a newtype for the things in the set
2019-06-22 22:14:44	mpickering	which has this instance
2019-06-22 22:15:18	wz1000	hmm
2019-06-22 22:15:37	wz1000	I'll try.
2019-06-22 22:16:19	wz1000	But that could be an API breaking change for .hie files
2019-06-22 22:24:48	mpickering	The other option is to change what is in `EvBindDeps`
2019-06-22 22:25:02	mpickering	So you have `(Name, Int)` where the `Int` is something stable
2019-06-22 22:29:47	wz1000	and then use (stableNameCmp, snd)?
2019-06-22 22:30:19	mpickering	or just `snd`
2019-06-22 22:30:35	wz1000	the order in which the names appear should be deterministic
2019-06-22 22:30:51	wz1000	but that won't work
2019-06-22 22:31:15	mpickering	yes `snd` won't work
2019-06-22 22:31:23	mpickering	so what you said
2019-06-22 22:31:54	wz1000	but stableNameCmp, snd also won't work
2019-06-22 22:32:27	wz1000	[(dShow :: Show a,1)] == [(dShow :: Show b, 1)]
2019-06-22 22:34:14	wz1000	the names are the free evidence variables of the rhs of an evidence binding
2019-06-22 22:34:23	mpickering	you need to choose an `Int` where it does work
2019-06-22 22:34:36	mpickering	so the `Int` is a hash of some other contextual information`
2019-06-22 22:34:40	mpickering	which tells you the things are different
2019-06-22 22:36:00	wz1000	all this is mostly moot anyway. For any given evvar, there should be at most one binding
2019-06-22 22:36:25	wz1000	so the nondeterministic ordering should also work
2019-06-22 22:37:25	mpickering	ok, implement what you think will work
2019-06-22 22:37:34	mpickering	and then show me some tests which prove that it works :)
2019-06-22 22:39:02	wz1000	how about the non deterministic derived ordering, and a check that makes sure there is only one EvLetBind
2019-06-22 22:40:20	wz1000	mpickering: can you share the usersettings.hs that build .hie files for ghc?
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2019-06-22 23:32:16	mpickering	wz1000: Do you want stage0 to generate them or stage1?
2019-06-22 23:33:24	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/HrX7VwRH/
2019-06-22 23:34:40	wz1000	thanks. now I can ditch make forever
2019-06-22 23:37:37	mpickering	Then build with `--flavour=lsif stage1:exe:ghc-bin`
2019-06-22 23:37:46	mpickering	Then it will stop after building `stage1:exe:ghc-bin`
2019-06-22 23:38:19	wz1000	cabal starts complaining if I don't build ghc-pkg I think
2019-06-22 23:43:53	mpickering	What do you mean?
2019-06-22 23:48:13	wz1000	-w <compiler> doesn't work without ghc-pkg
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2019-06-23 12:25:15	wz1000	mpickering: GHC.Classes has this in its tcg_ev_binds: [W] $dEq_a3Mx = $fEqChar, [W] $dEq_a3Ma = $dEq_a3Mx
2019-06-23 12:25:38	wz1000	they both have the same type
2019-06-23 12:25:45	wz1000	and the same occ name
2019-06-23 12:28:51	wz1000	is there any way to stop hadrian from recompiling the rts after rebuilding stage1?
2019-06-23 12:36:45	wz1000	The custom eq/ord instance for EvBindDeps masks this issue though
2019-06-23 12:37:04	mpickering	No. That's not safe as ghc is used to compile the rts
2019-06-23 12:37:25	mpickering	There is potentially some freeze invocation you could use
2019-06-23 12:37:36	wz1000	but what if I don't change anything that deals with the runtime
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2019-06-24 03:59:49	mpickering	lukelau: We need your high impact blog post now
2019-06-24 04:17:31	mpickering	wz1000: SourceGraph still have some vague interest in lsif
2019-06-24 04:17:36	mpickering	https://github.com/sourcegraph/sourcegraph/issues/4639
2019-06-24 04:21:05	lukelau	mpickering: I saw you released the event log viewer! I had to rebuild this on linux, mac lldb/gdb was just not playing ball
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2019-06-24 19:00:19	mpickering	wz1000: Are you still stuck with pattern synonyms?
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2019-06-24 21:55:28	wz1000	mpickering: no, i fixed that 
2019-06-24 21:56:04	wz1000	I have a few remaining issues
2019-06-24 21:56:43	wz1000	the fix for pattern synonyms exposed a issue with the scopes assigned to variables in pattern synonyms
2019-06-24 21:56:53	wz1000	and there is one roundtrip issue still
2019-06-24 21:57:42	wz1000	1 module out of 1082 compiled when building stage 2 still fails to roundtrip
2019-06-24 21:58:08	wz1000	and 2 modules fail the "all occurences of variable are in their calculated scope" test
2019-06-24 21:58:42	wz1000	I have to fix those and then it should be ready
2019-06-24 21:59:07	wz1000	I'm trying to improve the tests right now, so they are more thorough and it is easier to diagnose the errors
2019-06-24 22:01:19	wz1000	I threw out and rewrote all my code for evidence information since last week when I said I was almost done. Now I don't add any new fields to HieFile AST, all the information is incorporated via the old mechanism
2019-06-24 22:01:26	wz1000	it is much more consistent that way
2019-06-24 22:02:04	wz1000	And implicit parameters are also included
2019-06-24 22:04:24	wz1000	mpickering: also, remember last year around this time we had a discussion on #ghc about uniques not being unique
2019-06-24 22:04:37	wz1000	that bit me again
2019-06-24 22:05:33	wz1000	last time I got around that by not including MatchGroups where mg_origin = Generated
2019-06-24 22:06:12	wz1000	But that means we can't collect all the ev_binds and type information from pattern synonyms
2019-06-24 22:06:50	wz1000	So I removed that, and I explicitly filter out Names where nameUnique = mkBuiltinUnique 1
2019-06-24 22:07:58	wz1000	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/blob/master/compiler/typecheck/TcTyDecls.hs#L906
2019-06-24 22:08:14	wz1000	Do you think I should patch that instead to use a real unique?
2019-06-24 22:09:03	wz1000	That is the only case I can find where a fixed unique makes its way into the AST
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2019-06-24 22:11:14	mpickering	wz1000: You should patch it if it makes sense to you
2019-06-24 22:11:33	mpickering	Perhaps the problem here is that the function isn't monadic
2019-06-24 22:11:39	mpickering	so didn't have an easy way of making a new unique
2019-06-24 22:11:52	mpickering	You can probably pass one in from an external contxt though
2019-06-24 22:12:28	mpickering	how does that end up in your AST though
2019-06-24 22:12:34	mpickering	I admit I am getting a bit lost about what the problems are
2019-06-24 22:12:46	mpickering	as there's not any code, tests or tickets for me to look at
2019-06-24 22:13:13	mpickering	Also, don't forget that a blog post about HIE would be good, if you don't want to write it then tell me and I will do it
2019-06-24 22:13:28	wz1000	yes, I'll do that
2019-06-24 22:14:50	mpickering	make a PR to the ghc blog if you want to post it there
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2019-06-24 22:16:16	wz1000	with uniques, if two distinct names share a unique, when the second name is serialized, it will just be a pointer to the first
2019-06-24 22:16:43	wz1000	so when it is read, the occurences of both the name will look like the same one
2019-06-24 22:16:54	wz1000	which is a problem for the roundtrip testing
2019-06-24 22:17:23	mpickering	right but these are from record selectors?
2019-06-24 22:17:29	mpickering	which are internal and nothing to do with type classes?
2019-06-24 22:19:16	wz1000	yes. but all the juicy info for dictionary bindings in pattern synonyms is hidden inside a MatchGroup with mg_origin = Generated
2019-06-24 22:19:24	wz1000	which was previously being ignored
2019-06-24 22:19:57	wz1000	so now we have to traverse Generated match groups too
2019-06-24 22:20:05	wz1000	which exposed the shared unique issue
2019-06-24 22:21:26	wz1000	Basically, if you look at HsBinds, PatSynBinds don't exist in the typechecked AST
2019-06-24 22:21:34	wz1000	they are all converted into AbsBinds
2019-06-24 22:21:58	wz1000	so to get any sort of type information for PatSynBinds, we have to traverse those AbsBinds
2019-06-24 22:22:09	wz1000	which include Generated MatchGroups
2019-06-24 22:23:10	wz1000	and doing this exposed the shared unique issue once more
2019-06-24 22:27:55	wz1000	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/blob/master/compiler/typecheck/TcTyDecls.hs#L888
2019-06-24 22:28:25	wz1000	That record selector code is also generated a Generated match group
2019-06-24 22:29:21	wz1000	*generating
2019-06-24 22:30:21	wz1000	and we can't really differentiate between AbsBinds/MatchGroups that come from PatternSynonyms and those that come from record selectors
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2019-06-25 01:40:55	lukelau	mpickering: I gave up on macOS
2019-06-25 01:41:13	mpickering	ok lol
2019-06-25 01:41:13	lukelau	Currently doing the gdb stuff on debian
2019-06-25 01:41:16	mpickering	Good try
2019-06-25 01:41:40	lukelau	Sorry this took so long, I figured it was time to give up once I was browsing through lldb’s source
2019-06-25 01:44:00	mpickering	how is it so broken?
2019-06-25 01:44:07	mpickering	surely people use lldb and gdb on programs all the time on macs
2019-06-25 01:54:40	lukelau	lldb usually works fine for me, less reliable than gdb but a hell of a lot faster than gdb. gdb has much better debugging info I find
2019-06-25 01:55:09	lukelau	Presumably they have neglected darwin support a bit
2019-06-25 01:57:36	mpickering	so you have been using gdb successfully on linux?
2019-06-25 01:58:20	lukelau	Yep, seems to be working now. findPtr is working so I’m able to copy the output now again
2019-06-25 01:58:48	lukelau	The *con_info symbols are the addresses to the info table right?
2019-06-25 01:59:41	mpickering	Yes, but you can use that code I sent before which prints out the address?
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2019-06-25 02:00:22	lukelau	In the blog post?
2019-06-25 02:00:35	mpickering	I mean, in general
2019-06-25 02:00:43	lukelau	Oh as it does it work?
2019-06-25 02:00:46	lukelau	*as in
2019-06-25 02:00:52	mpickering	It worked for me
2019-06-25 02:00:54	lukelau	I haven’t tried it yet
2019-06-25 02:01:02	mpickering	dw then
2019-06-25 02:01:13	lukelau	I’m probably going to use it on mac though
2019-06-25 02:13:15	mpickering	so?
2019-06-25 02:50:46	lukelau	mpickering: how did you show the source listing at an address?
2019-06-25 02:51:00	lukelau	I’ve built the library and executable with -g3
2019-06-25 02:51:27	lukelau	calling `l *0x4206b29148` prints nothing
2019-06-25 02:51:57	lukelau	where 0x4206b29148 is the address as seen in the findPtr output
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2019-06-25 03:09:38	mpickering	lukelau: That address looks wrong
2019-06-25 03:09:44	mpickering	show me more output
2019-06-25 03:11:34	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/bubba/d2ac7f6d5e2714efd0f427113e7e0b98
2019-06-25 03:12:07	lukelau	I’m also suspicious that the backtrace doesn’t contain any location info
2019-06-25 03:12:17	lukelau	Despite the fact that objdump -g shows source file paths in it
2019-06-25 03:13:18	mpickering	How p4 on that address
2019-06-25 03:13:22	mpickering	*now
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2019-06-25 03:18:12	lukelau	sorry for the delay, installing the ghc gdb scripts
2019-06-25 03:19:12	lukelau	I keep on getting “gdb.error: No type named StgClosure.” after running “python import ghc_gdb” 
2019-06-25 03:21:34	mpickering	you don't need those
2019-06-25 03:21:52	lukelau	are you sure p4 isn’t an alias in your .gdbinit?
2019-06-25 03:22:01	mpickering	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/wikis/debugging/compiled-code/.gdbinit
2019-06-25 03:22:03	mpickering	those ones
2019-06-25 03:22:07	lukelau	Ahhhh
2019-06-25 03:22:09	mpickering	yes it is
2019-06-25 03:22:16	mpickering	from those simpler ones
2019-06-25 03:24:08	lukelau	mpickering: updated the gist
2019-06-25 03:25:20	mpickering	list * 0x43b81a0
2019-06-25 03:25:30	mpickering	From this line 0x42067de148:   0x43b81a0 <s2pJ0_info>
2019-06-25 03:25:41	lukelau	No dice
2019-06-25 03:25:44	lukelau	Still nothing
2019-06-25 03:26:51	mpickering	What about another of the addresses?
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2019-06-25 03:29:32	mpickering	How about those FUN closures?
2019-06-25 03:30:46	lukelau	I think the 0x42067de072, pointed to after the padding after the info table, is the actual closure payload
2019-06-25 03:30:54	lukelau	Shouldn’t that have the debug info attached?
2019-06-25 03:31:04	lukelau	Calling x/i on it gives well-formed machine code
2019-06-25 03:32:08	lukelau	What do you usually get when calling `info sources`?
2019-06-25 03:32:24	mpickering	I can't remember
2019-06-25 03:32:26	lukelau	I only have one source file, MainHie.hs, and none from the haskell-ide-engine library component
2019-06-25 03:32:30	mpickering	I don't think I have run that command before
2019-06-25 03:32:38	lukelau	I have a feeling that gdb isn’t properly loading the dwarf symbols
2019-06-25 03:32:46	mpickering	are you on linux now or mac?
2019-06-25 03:32:50	lukelau	linux
2019-06-25 03:32:57	mpickering	let me fire it up again
2019-06-25 03:38:29	mpickering	yeah I see loads more than that
2019-06-25 03:38:41	mpickering	are you putting -g3 in the right place?
2019-06-25 03:38:44	lukelau	Agh
2019-06-25 03:38:45	lukelau	Got it
2019-06-25 03:38:58	mpickering	put it in the cabal.project
2019-06-25 03:39:06	lukelau	Need to pass —enable-debug-info —--disable-executable-stripping
2019-06-25 03:39:11	lukelau	to cabal
2019-06-25 03:39:16	lukelau	This is crazy fiddly
2019-06-25 03:39:19	mpickering	yeah... like I had in my example project
2019-06-25 03:39:33	mpickering	 17 debug-info: 3                                                                   
2019-06-25 03:39:33	mpickering	 18 executable-stripping: False   
2019-06-25 03:39:52	lukelau	facepalm
2019-06-25 03:42:36	lukelau	I think I needed the library stripping too
2019-06-25 03:45:26	mpickering	 21 library-stripping: False  
2019-06-25 03:45:46	mpickering	make sure you write this stuff in your post hehe
2019-06-25 03:46:05	mpickering	I got paranoid about stripping since I realised the nix version was stripped
2019-06-25 03:53:49	mpickering	lukelau: Does that work
2019-06-25 03:53:52	mpickering	I have to go soon
2019-06-25 03:54:06	lukelau	Chucking all that stuff into the blog
2019-06-25 03:54:20	mpickering	Now eventlog2html is released I can return to a normal sleeping schedule
2019-06-25 03:54:27	lukelau	Hopefully! Need to rebuild hie on a 2-core 1GB piece of crap. Thanks for the help tonight
2019-06-25 03:56:59	mpickering	how long does that take?
2019-06-25 03:57:12	mpickering	if you don't use v2-install btw it might not strip?
2019-06-25 03:57:44	lukelau	Only about 15 mins, just needs to rebuild the submodules
2019-06-25 03:57:50	lukelau	Is stripping just a new-build thing?
2019-06-25 03:58:29	mpickering	I mean if you use new-build
2019-06-25 03:58:36	mpickering	and point directly into dist-newstyle
2019-06-25 03:58:43	mpickering	I think it will only strip as part of install
2019-06-25 04:01:52	lukelau	i was using new-build already so I believe it was stripping regardless
2019-06-25 04:02:03	lukelau	i think the install step is pretty much just a symlink
2019-06-25 04:02:14	lukelau	that works now, awesome
2019-06-25 04:02:31	lukelau	got the source listings
2019-06-25 04:03:41	lukelau	and it’s pointing right at the modifyCache laziness leak that you fixed! good stuff
2019-06-25 04:05:00	mpickering	https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/2702
2019-06-25 04:05:37	lukelau	that issue is going to have its 4th birthday soon
2019-06-25 04:06:56	mpickering	https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/2702#issuecomment-505207223
2019-06-25 04:07:16	mpickering	compiling with debug symbols is clearly not common
2019-06-25 04:07:29	mpickering	likewise nobody on NixOS noticed until now that the debug rts is broken
2019-06-25 04:07:57	mpickering	you are now in the unchartered waters lukelau, you probably got here faster than you expected
2019-06-25 04:09:07	lukelau	Exciting stuff
2019-06-25 04:09:55	lukelau	I remember trying to create a homebrew formula for hie and then running into the issue of cabal v2-* not supporting the `—prefix` argument
2019-06-25 04:10:04	lukelau	Had to make a fork of cabal
2019-06-25 04:10:37	lukelau	By the way do you think it would be worthwhile sticking in eventlog2html in this post?
2019-06-25 04:10:38	mpickering	I never started trying to package stuff until I started using NixOS, then it seemed possible. 
2019-06-25 04:10:57	mpickering	yeah, that would be nice
2019-06-25 04:11:43	mpickering	lukelau: Do you use hakyll?
2019-06-25 04:11:52	lukelau	Yep
2019-06-25 04:12:40	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/eventlog2html/blob/master/hakyll-eventlog/site.hs#L87
2019-06-25 04:12:51	mpickering	You can use this pandoc filter to insert a heap profile
2019-06-25 04:13:12	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/XB4Nr8AS/
2019-06-25 04:13:15	lukelau	Perfect
2019-06-25 04:13:38	lukelau	That’s pretty nice!
2019-06-25 04:13:56	lukelau	Ah shit I just remembered I’m not using pandoc I’m using mmark
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2019-06-25 04:14:15	lukelau	Which doesn’t allow html
2019-06-25 04:14:29	lukelau	I’ll figure out a way somehow
2019-06-25 04:15:47	mpickering	lukelau: Can you use the `blockRender` extension?
2019-06-25 04:15:57	mpickering	Or you can just switch to use pandoc for this post lol
2019-06-25 04:16:01	mpickering	hakyll already depends on it..
2019-06-25 04:17:09	mpickering	`blockRender` looks perfect
2019-06-25 04:17:30	mpickering	Just intercept the `CodeBlock (Just eventlog)` block
2019-06-25 04:17:33	lukelau	I’ll give blockRender a shot
2019-06-25 04:17:42	lukelau	event2html is available on hackage?
2019-06-25 04:18:12	mpickering	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/eventlog2html
2019-06-25 04:18:25	mpickering	make sure you generate the eventlog with `-l-au` as otherwise it will be massive
2019-06-25 04:18:58	mpickering	looks like you will have to use `unsafePerformIO` as well
2019-06-25 04:19:48	mpickering	this is your own fault for using mmark though ;)
2019-06-25 04:19:56	lukelau	lol
2019-06-25 04:20:29	lukelau	by the way the docs aren’t up for eventlog2html, is this something to do with the recent hackage outage?
2019-06-25 04:21:36	lukelau	I switched from pandoc to mmark for this tiny issue to do with html tags https://lukelau.me/haskell/posts/hakyll/
2019-06-25 04:22:30	mpickering	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/eventlog2html
2019-06-25 04:22:34	mpickering	woops
2019-06-25 04:22:42	mpickering	the matrix built it fine
2019-06-25 04:23:59	mpickering	you can just copy my code and it will work
2019-06-25 04:24:12	mpickering	the bit you need to change is the pandoc stuff to mmark
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2019-06-25 14:15:37	mpickering	This looks useful
2019-06-25 14:15:38	mpickering	https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/remote-overview
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2019-06-25 14:19:36	wz1000	LSP should already be network transparent though? So if you edit on a remote machine using TRAMP or SSHFS or something, and also run an LSP server on the remote machine, every LSP client/editor should be able to do this
2019-06-25 14:28:37	mpickering	"should" and "does" and "easy"
2019-06-25 14:31:46	wz1000	Setting your lsp command to `ssh user@remote hie --lsp` and mounting a directory with sshfs is pretty easy though 
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2019-06-25 14:36:19	mpickering	It's not something a normal user is going to do
2019-06-25 14:36:38	mpickering	and you have to do it for each extension
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2019-06-26 00:26:36	wz1000	mpickering: see https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/1286/diffs#b16e5345d75d2f334d8a051b97d10ad8e0dd3d5c_0_1
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2019-06-26 00:54:17	wz1000	mpickering: is the meta circularity of HieQueries.hs fine, or should I split it up into two files?
2019-06-26 00:54:49	wz1000	it reads its own .hie file
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2019-06-26 01:28:56	mpickering	wz1000: It seems a bit unnecessary and a potential point of confusion
2019-06-26 01:28:59	mpickering	but I won't insist it is changed
2019-06-26 01:29:09	mpickering	lukelau: Any progress with embedded the eventlog?
2019-06-26 01:29:14	mpickering	wz1000: I will look at the mR tomororw
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2019-06-26 05:42:44	rizary	hi.. i have some issue here: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/issues/128#issuecomment-505231054
2019-06-26 05:43:11	rizary	anyone willing to guide me on how to resolve this?
2019-06-26 05:51:55	infinisil	rizary: Try this: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#nix-cabal-helper-no-such-file-or-directory
2019-06-26 05:52:42	infinisil	I should probably add that to the all-hies readme, it's not the first time I've seen people run into this
2019-06-26 05:56:35	rizary	infinisil: I dont have .cache/cabal-helper 
2019-06-26 05:56:41	rizary	weird..
2019-06-26 06:03:50	infinisil	Hm that is weird
2019-06-26 06:04:54	infinisil	rizary: Oh, I think the new-style commands aren't super well supported in HIE yet
2019-06-26 06:05:03	infinisil	I'm always using the old-style commands with it
2019-06-26 06:09:26	rizary	i see.. so that's why they try to find my `dist` folder
2019-06-26 06:09:34	rizary	whereas I have `dist-newstyle`
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2019-06-26 14:13:48	lukelau_	mpickering: Got one on Monday night, didn't get time to look at it yesterday. I could only get it to produce anything with `-hy` though, do the other `-hr/-hc` profiles work with it?
2019-06-26 14:18:15	mpickering	lukelau_: `-hr` doesn't work with `-eventlog` but you can pass a `.hp` file to `eventlog2html` with the `-p` option
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2019-06-26 16:25:51	wz1000	mpickering: ping
2019-06-26 16:26:03	mpickering	hello
2019-06-26 16:26:31	wz1000	do you have a working version of hiedb on your machine?
2019-06-26 16:26:45	wz1000	When I try to compile it against HEAD, I get this:
2019-06-26 16:26:47	wz1000	ghc: /home/zubin/ghc/_build/stage1/lib/x86_64-linux-ghc-8.9.0.20190621/unix-2.7.2.2/HSunix-2.7.2.2.o: unknown symbol `mknod'
2019-06-26 16:26:58	wz1000	ghc: unable to load package `unix-2.7.2.2'
2019-06-26 16:27:37	mpickering	I never tried to compile it against HEAD
2019-06-26 16:28:55	wz1000	I was working on the blog post, and I wanted to include some sample output. Could you fill that in?
2019-06-26 16:29:23	wz1000	I've tried recompile GHC too many already, and my internet is acting up
2019-06-26 16:31:46	mpickering	I have a working version with `compiler/` loaded into it
2019-06-26 16:31:52	mpickering	So send me the queries
2019-06-26 16:37:59	mpickering	wz1000: You also need to send me your abstract for HIW
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2019-06-26 16:39:09	wz1000	yes, I still have to write it
2019-06-26 16:39:25	wz1000	The submission form needs a PDF as well as an abstract
2019-06-26 16:41:49	wz1000	what is supposed to go in there?
2019-06-26 16:44:53	wz1000	mpickering: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/81c990c0b9d5eb2361bd634852ef4dac
2019-06-26 16:45:57	mpickering	thanks
2019-06-26 16:46:04	mpickering	can you make a PR to the ghc homepage repo?
2019-06-26 16:46:08	wz1000	yeah
2019-06-26 16:46:08	mpickering	and then I can directly push changes
2019-06-26 16:46:18	mpickering	wz1000: A rendered version of the abstract I imagine
2019-06-26 16:46:28	mpickering	for HIW it's not that important as you only have to submit an abstract
2019-06-26 16:47:05	wz1000	Can you run the 5 hiedb commands starting from hiedb cat for some reasonable inputs?
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2019-06-26 16:48:46	mpickering	yes, once you make the PR
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2019-06-26 16:53:29	wz1000	mpickering: the ghc blog renders markdown? and how do I include screenshots?
2019-06-26 16:54:23	mpickering	wz1000: Yes, it renders markdown
2019-06-26 16:54:32	mpickering	see one of the open MRs to see how to add it
2019-06-26 16:54:53	mpickering	Probably with `![desc](url)`
2019-06-26 16:55:58	mpickering	It uses pandoc markdown
2019-06-26 16:55:59	mpickering	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/homepage/blob/master/main.hs#L66
2019-06-26 16:56:06	mpickering	https://pandoc.org/MANUAL.html
2019-06-26 16:56:35	wz1000	where do I host the screenshots?
2019-06-26 16:57:48	mpickering	I suppose the correct thing to do would be to use git LFS and commit them to the repo. I'll ask Ben
2019-06-26 16:57:58	mpickering	or make the MR and post the question on the MR
2019-06-26 17:21:16	wz1000	mpickering: btw, for EvBindsDeps, the derived Ord instance on [Name] is also horribly dangerous
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2019-06-26 17:35:49	mpickering	wz1000: Are you making this MR?
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2019-06-26 17:38:13	wz1000	yes, waiting for pandoc to compile
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2019-06-26 22:43:11	wz1000	mpickering: I've pushed fixes for the things you pointed out
2019-06-26 22:43:34	wz1000	btw, did this mean that my fork was deployed? https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/homepage/commit/c27344018555dc6fae48c65eb4fc961d38f52899
2019-06-26 22:44:52	wz1000	That seems like a major security vulnerability
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2019-06-26 23:37:36	mpickering	wz1000: I noticed and fixed it
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2019-06-27 00:29:56	mpickering	wz1000: Can I push to the post?
2019-06-27 00:30:02	mpickering	so I can add the examples you wanted?
2019-06-27 00:36:23	wz1000	yes
2019-06-27 00:37:10	wz1000	mpickering: do you need me to give you permission in gitlab?
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2019-06-27 00:42:35	mpickering	you probably just need to tick a button on the mr
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2019-06-27 00:44:13	wz1000	Allow commits from members who can merge to the target branch. Not available for protected branches
2019-06-27 00:44:18	wz1000	and it is grayed out
2019-06-27 00:45:48	wz1000	should I make another branch and a new MR?
2019-06-27 00:46:37	mpickering	easier to give me rights to your repo?
2019-06-27 00:48:11	wz1000	done
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2019-06-27 02:23:28	mpickering	wz1000: hiedb: SQLite3 returned ErrorCan'tOpen while attempting to perform open "~/.hiedb": unable to open database file
2019-06-27 02:27:58	wz1000	mpickering: you are probably using an old commit
2019-06-27 02:30:06	mpickering	I think if you pass --hiedir to GHC then some files will get overwritten btw
2019-06-27 02:30:06	wz1000	this was because of hiedb index?
2019-06-27 02:30:17	wz1000	mpickering: what do you mean?
2019-06-27 02:30:24	mpickering	If you have two files called Main.hs
2019-06-27 02:30:28	mpickering	then it will overwrite Main.hie
2019-06-27 02:30:54	mpickering	So I need to come up with a better way to set the option which filters by package name
2019-06-27 02:31:54	wz1000	yes, ideally each package should get its own folder
2019-06-27 02:45:00	mpickering	I can't get point-refs to work hmm
2019-06-27 02:45:35	wz1000	what do you get?
2019-06-27 02:45:52	mpickering	oh this is probably because I am using old HIE files
2019-06-27 02:45:56	mpickering	and now have a different GHC checkout
2019-06-27 02:46:07	mpickering	I got it to display something after guessing some spans
2019-06-27 02:46:25	wz1000	you can use `hiedb cat`
2019-06-27 02:46:33	wz1000	and then you don't need to guess
2019-06-27 02:46:36	mpickering	Yeah the module is over 3000 lines
2019-06-27 02:46:43	mpickering	and also cat doesn't print out the line nos
2019-06-27 02:46:56	mpickering	Should `point-refs` work pointed at a pattern variable?
2019-06-27 02:47:01	mpickering	For example, `foo x`
2019-06-27 02:47:04	mpickering	pointing at x
2019-06-27 02:47:30	wz1000	it should. That pattern bug might be screwing it up though
2019-06-27 02:47:47	wz1000	the one I fixed in my MR
2019-06-27 02:48:13	wz1000	yes, it is definitely screwing it up
2019-06-27 02:48:38	mpickering	ah it does work
2019-06-27 02:48:43	mpickering	now I guessed the right span
2019-06-27 02:48:51	mpickering	so, False alarm, stale info
2019-06-27 02:49:08	wz1000	hiedb cat | head -n <line> | tail -n 1
2019-06-27 02:49:21	wz1000	you just need to guess a line
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2019-06-27 02:53:13	wz1000	I also like `vipe` from moreutils
2019-06-27 02:53:14	mpickering	The `point-types` query doens't work on patterns
2019-06-27 02:53:34	wz1000	yes that is the thing being screwed up by the bug
2019-06-27 02:55:26	mpickering	Should we refer to HIE files as HIE files or .hie files
2019-06-27 02:55:29	mpickering	or `.hie` files
2019-06-27 02:55:47	mpickering	I think HIE files when it's the concept and `.hie` when talking about specific files?
2019-06-27 02:56:37	wz1000	HIE files can be confused with haskell-ide-engine
2019-06-27 02:56:59	mpickering	You refer to them as HIE files in the blog post
2019-06-27 02:57:29	wz1000	I didn't want to begin a title with a punctuation mark
2019-06-27 02:57:41	wz1000	hiE fIlEs
2019-06-27 03:02:13	wz1000	mpickering: there is one thing about the indexing behaviour - suppose you index a folder, then delete a file and reindex
2019-06-27 03:02:33	wz1000	I would expect the deleted file to be removed from the index
2019-06-27 03:03:11	wz1000	but I don't know a good way to achieve this
2019-06-27 03:04:24	wz1000	for each .hie file, store the folder that that caused it to be indexed? 
2019-06-27 03:04:43	mpickering	You already store the path to the file right?
2019-06-27 03:04:55	mpickering	I'm wondering if this blog post is too long btw
2019-06-27 03:05:34	mpickering	I'm wondering about cutting out the implementation details for this one
2019-06-27 03:05:34	mpickering	and dropping them later once 8.8 is actually out
2019-06-27 03:05:37	mpickering	this is just the hype-up post I feel
2019-06-27 03:06:40	wz1000	OK. You can dump the parts you cut out in the wiki page, and put in a link to that
2019-06-27 03:07:18	mpickering	I want them to still be in a post
2019-06-27 03:07:37	mpickering	but it's too early. Let people smell it and then they can taste it
2019-06-27 03:07:41	wz1000	yeah we can do that. But it would be good to have it in the wiki also
2019-06-27 03:07:47	mpickering	yes
2019-06-27 03:07:57	mpickering	I'll paste it into a wiki page
2019-06-27 03:08:05	wz1000	there is one already
2019-06-27 03:08:05	mpickering	No one will see it there anyway as the wiki is so shit
2019-06-27 03:08:20	wz1000	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/wikis/hie-files
2019-06-27 03:08:50	wz1000	I lifted the explanation of HieType from there
2019-06-27 03:09:03	wz1000	so you don't need to duplicate that
2019-06-27 03:10:48	wz1000	I think someone looking for documentation will hit the wiki much before stumbling on a GHC blog post
2019-06-27 03:15:50	mpickering	ok I am done editing
2019-06-27 03:15:54	mpickering	I will push my changes to your branch
2019-06-27 03:16:00	mpickering	you should read them and then we can merge it
2019-06-27 03:23:29	mpickering	wz1000: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/wikis/hie-files
2019-06-27 03:23:34	mpickering	I dumped the old info there
2019-06-27 03:25:25	wz1000	mpickering: aww, I thought the typeclass info stuff was the most hype worthy :(
2019-06-27 03:26:00	mpickering	another post
2019-06-27 03:26:03	mpickering	The images are also too big
2019-06-27 03:26:27	mpickering	They shouldn't be more than 800px wide
2019-06-27 03:26:40	wz1000	pandoc can scale them easily I think
2019-06-27 03:27:37	wz1000	yeah, you can just do ![](img.png){height=50%}
2019-06-27 03:28:05	mpickering	ok I will push that
2019-06-27 03:33:49	mpickering	wz1000: Will you be able to read the changes now? or tomorrow?
2019-06-27 03:34:11	wz1000	looking
2019-06-27 03:35:19	mpickering	I just pushed a rebased branch to hie-post
2019-06-27 03:35:30	mpickering	because I couldn't force push to master as it's protected
2019-06-27 03:36:02	wz1000	are you making a new MR?
2019-06-27 03:37:04	mpickering	you can make a new MR
2019-06-27 03:37:11	mpickering	I'm done touching it now
2019-06-27 03:40:33	wz1000	mpickering: did you render it and check?
2019-06-27 03:40:47	mpickering	yes I rendered it
2019-06-27 03:40:57	wz1000	pandoc is going to think this is a bullet point: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/homepage/merge_requests/26/diffs#729eba56171f6260978cc625c63c82697e1daa04_0_9
2019-06-27 03:41:29	mpickering	which line?
2019-06-27 03:41:39	wz1000	9
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2019-06-27 03:42:10	mpickering	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/dEVPcsKj/image.png
2019-06-27 03:43:07	mpickering	Now I am going to attempt to fix the overall site rendering
2019-06-27 03:44:36	wz1000	mpickering: isn't the LSIF image too small now?
2019-06-27 03:44:51	mpickering	yes, it should be more zoomed
2019-06-27 03:44:57	mpickering	but otherwise it's too wide for some layouts
2019-06-27 03:46:24	wz1000	crop out the blank 40% on the right?
2019-06-27 03:47:08	mpickering	Just zoom it onto the more interesting bit yeah
2019-06-27 03:48:49	wz1000	mpickering: the help text looks out of date
2019-06-27 03:49:16	mpickering	can you modify it without me having to build it again?
2019-06-27 03:49:28	wz1000	hiedb?
2019-06-27 03:49:46	wz1000	I am unable to build optparse-applicative for some reason
2019-06-27 03:52:35	mpickering	ok I am now fixing the website css
2019-06-27 03:52:41	mpickering	so will have to do that tomorrow
2019-06-27 03:56:31	wz1000	I'm sleeping now, I'll fix the remaining issues tomorrow
2019-06-27 03:57:48	mpickering	no worries
2019-06-27 03:57:49	mpickering	no rush
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2019-06-27 12:47:17	wz1000	mpickering: I'm happy with the blog post now
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2019-06-27 12:53:33	wz1000	mpickering: it might be a good idea to perform whatever git voodoo is required to remove the old version of LSIF.png from the repo
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2019-06-27 15:53:56	wz1000	mpickering: here's what I have for HIW: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/b5650d1a0d5ca4740bf55ce2b4e38329
2019-06-27 16:09:10	wz1000	do you think I should mention hie-lsif?
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2019-06-27 16:50:55	mpickering	wz1000: I'm not feeling very well today sorry
2019-06-27 16:51:19	mpickering	your talk should have a lot of examples in though
2019-06-27 16:51:25	mpickering	so yes talk about hie-lsif
2019-06-27 16:51:40	mpickering	it's a lot easier to understand if you motivate what's in the file because of examples. 
2019-06-27 16:51:53	mpickering	I'm nearly done restyling the GHC site 
2019-06-27 17:04:10	wz1000	mpickering: no problem, take care
2019-06-27 17:04:34	mpickering	I just ate something bad I think so should be fine tomorrow. 
2019-06-27 17:04:52	wz1000	I've fixed (i hope) all the remaining typos in the blog post, cropped the image and updated the help text
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2019-06-27 17:09:14	mpickering	ok
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2019-06-27 18:20:20	jose_zap	Can I get a review for this one? https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/177
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2019-06-27 18:40:39	alanz	jose_zap, took a look. Most looks ok, one query though, which may affect the lsp test etc
2019-06-27 18:42:15	jose_zap	alanz responded to your comment
2019-06-27 18:42:41	jose_zap	fwiw, all tests pass locally
2019-06-27 18:43:12	alanz	ok, will merge, then you can make a pr for hie so we can be sure it still works
2019-06-27 18:43:39	jose_zap	alright
2019-06-27 18:45:23	alanz	if you are ok with that
2019-06-27 18:45:46	jose_zap	yeah, I'm fine with it
2019-06-27 18:46:00	jose_zap	I was trying to test it locally using submodules, but it is proving a lot harder than I anticipated
2019-06-27 18:48:09	alanz	it shouldn't be.
2019-06-27 18:48:21	alanz	you just have to update all the stack files
2019-06-27 18:49:26	jose_zap	alanz I think I figured it out
2019-06-27 18:49:47	jose_zap	did not notice that I needed to add an extra-source for haskell-lsp-types
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2019-06-27 19:10:43	mpickering	wz1000: Am I blocking you currently? Feeling better this afternoon so can unblock you if necessary
2019-06-27 19:14:07	wz1000	mpickering: no, I think the post is ready. You can merge whenever you're happy
2019-06-27 19:19:54	mpickering	What do you plan to work on next?
2019-06-27 19:20:17	jose_zap	alanz getting a lot of errors related to changing Uri to NormalizedUri, what was the plan with that?
2019-06-27 19:23:36	wz1000	mpickering: I can either mess around with reflex, or add types to the typechecked source
2019-06-27 19:23:58	wz1000	right now I'm splitting the ghc MR into 3.
2019-06-27 19:24:19	mpickering	I would like to see about this reflex idea personally
2019-06-27 19:24:37	mpickering	and then the lightweight language server
2019-06-27 19:26:07	wz1000	One for outputable, another for the pattern srcspan thing(and another minor RecCon thing), and the typeclass evidence one
2019-06-27 19:27:05	alanz	jose_zap, its something to do with the windows path stuff, I think. Do a git blame
2019-06-27 19:27:20	mpickering	ok, because if something needs to be backported it's easier if it's a separate commit
2019-06-27 19:27:31	wz1000	I think I have time, since you outsourced :set +c and did the memory leak stuff with lukelau_ 
2019-06-27 19:27:32	jose_zap	is the goal to replace URI with NormalizedUri everywhere?
2019-06-27 19:27:37	wz1000	So can I do the reflex thing
2019-06-27 19:27:48	wz1000	jose_zap: no, only in things like Maps I think
2019-06-27 19:28:56	mpickering	wz1000: Of course. Give it a go but we don't want to sink all our time into this if it's looking hard. 
2019-06-27 19:29:16	mpickering	A usable language server getting it's information from .hie files should still be our goal by the end of the summer
2019-06-27 19:29:56	wz1000	yeah. 
2019-06-27 19:31:26	wz1000	One thing that the language server will need is a reimplementation of the newPosToOld/oldPosToNew stuff(that you ported to typescript), but based on Diffs
2019-06-27 19:31:49	mpickering	yes I anticipated that. 
2019-06-27 19:37:07	wz1000	I had got edward kmett to try and implement a more principled way of handling that a couple of years ago, but I couldn't understand much at the time or get it to work
2019-06-27 19:37:09	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/coda-change
2019-06-27 19:44:50	mpickering	I don't think I will be able to understand some of Edward's code either
2019-06-27 20:29:13	wz1000	mpickering: what do you think of this? https://drive.google.com/open?id=15uHQindqt9cL3idJqc54GFJj7IKmccuX
2019-06-27 21:00:39	infinisil	Just wondering, I keep having to restart HIE when I develop different components of my project (at least I think that's what it is). So e.g. when I switch from the library to the test suite, HIE stops responding after a while and I need to restart it
2019-06-27 21:00:49	infinisil	Is this something known?
2019-06-27 21:03:55	mpickering	infinisil: Well, in theory it shouldn't do that
2019-06-27 21:04:20	mpickering	multiple compoenents has never been the best support feature I believe
2019-06-27 21:04:32	mpickering	wz1000: Is this the same as what you sent me before?
2019-06-27 21:13:12	wz1000	mpickering: no, a bit different
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2019-06-27 21:51:31	infinisil	I might report an issue with this later then
2019-06-27 21:51:36	infinisil	It's hard to reproduce though
2019-06-27 22:02:21	wz1000	mpickering: btw, before merging the blog post, it might be good to squash the commits and remove the old version of LSIF.png from the git history
2019-06-27 22:02:33	mpickering	I will squash them yes
2019-06-27 22:02:49	wz1000	will that throw away the old LSIF.png?
2019-06-27 22:03:56	mpickering	I guess so?
2019-06-27 22:16:59	mpickering	I merged it now
2019-06-27 22:17:20	wz1000	nice
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2019-06-27 22:20:45	mpickering	lukelau: Ping, are you around for a quite chat tonight?
2019-06-27 22:21:18	mpickering	https://www.haskell.org/ghc/blog.html
2019-06-27 22:21:22	mpickering	The post is live now
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2019-06-27 22:46:46	mpickering	wz1000: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/homepage/merge_requests/28
2019-06-27 22:47:23	mpickering	Can you send me a version of the abstract that I can edit?
2019-06-27 22:53:31	wz1000	mpickering: updated the gist: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/b5650d1a0d5ca4740bf55ce2b4e38329
2019-06-27 22:55:15	wz1000	mpickering: I just saw that there is a word limit of 300 - we need to cut around 50 words
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2019-06-27 22:58:42	mpickering	You don't usually put links in abstracts
2019-06-27 22:58:51	mpickering	I am editing it now
2019-06-27 23:00:43	mpickering	wz1000: Are you going to PLMW or student volunteer?
2019-06-27 23:01:10	wz1000	both
2019-06-27 23:01:53	wz1000	PLMW doesn't cover registration for the last 2 days
2019-06-27 23:02:49	wz1000	student volunteer does
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2019-06-27 23:04:17	wz1000	I'm not volunteering on the Haskell days though
2019-06-27 23:08:11	wz1000	my half baked submission for Haskell symposium(Constraint To Coq) got accepted as a system demo as well, after I completely messed up the format
2019-06-27 23:09:27	wz1000	so I'm going to be pretty busy for the entire conference
2019-06-27 23:12:17	mpickering	https://gist.github.com/fdcfd8f9cbc0b31d6ae70a8d1dcb0786
2019-06-27 23:12:28	mpickering	oh right that's good news
2019-06-27 23:12:46	mpickering	I edited it quite a lot
2019-06-27 23:12:49	mpickering	.. tell me what you think
2019-06-27 23:14:12	mpickering	I have two papers at Haskell Symposium and will also submit a talk to HIW
2019-06-27 23:17:27	wz1000	Cut down on all the fluff. I like it
2019-06-27 23:17:39	wz1000	What dates are you going to be in Berlin?
2019-06-27 23:18:05	mpickering	Not clear yet
2019-06-27 23:18:12	mpickering	Probably Sat-Fri or Sun-Fri
2019-06-27 23:18:27	mpickering	I am registered Mon-Fri, not going on Sunday
2019-06-27 23:20:58	wz1000	I have student vol on Sat, PLMW on Sun. So I'll have to reach the friday before. And I'll probably stick around to roam the weekend after
2019-06-27 23:21:19	mpickering	ok, I don't plan to. Conferences exhaust me. 
2019-06-27 23:23:33	wz1000	mpickering: so I'm submitting the abstract. I give your affiliation as "University of Bristol"? And your gmail address?
2019-06-27 23:23:44	mpickering	matthew.pickering@bristol.ac.uk
2019-06-27 23:34:07	wz1000	mpickering: submitted. here's the final rendered: https://drive.google.com/open?id=15uHQindqt9cL3idJqc54GFJj7IKmccuX
2019-06-27 23:34:21	wz1000	You don't have any PC conflict, right?
2019-06-27 23:34:39	mpickering	link me to the PC?
2019-06-27 23:34:53	mpickering	no
2019-06-27 23:34:55	wz1000	https://icfp-hiw19.hotcrp.com/users?t=pc
2019-06-27 23:34:56	mpickering	I don't
2019-06-27 23:36:09	wz1000	what do they do if everyone on the PC is a conflict?
2019-06-27 23:40:55	mpickering	I don;t know
2019-06-27 23:41:00	mpickering	for HIW it doesn't matter too much
2019-06-27 23:41:07	mpickering	and other conferences the PC is far bigger it's impossible
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2019-06-28 01:41:52	mpickering	wz1000: Don't know if you already saw this page - http://docs.reflex-frp.org/en/latest/non_dom_reflex.html
2019-06-28 01:42:05	mpickering	Starting from `reflex-basic-host` is probably a good idea
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2019-06-28 05:12:26	lukelau	mpickering: plugging it into mmark
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2019-06-28 05:37:27	lukelau	Spent 20 minutes wondering why cabal was erroring out while building the blaze dependency
2019-06-28 05:37:42	lukelau	Blew away my entire ~/.cabal/store, rebuilt from scratch, error was still there
2019-06-28 05:37:52	lukelau	Turns out i was building this https://hackage.haskell.org/package/blaze
2019-06-28 05:37:56	lukelau	not https://hackage.haskell.org/package/blaze-html
2019-06-28 05:38:38	lukelau	I love how it has 2343 downloads so I musn’t be the first victim of this moduleless package
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2019-06-28 07:05:39	lukelau	mpickering dxld: https://lukelau.me/haskell/posts/leak/
2019-06-28 10:06:23	sclv	lukelau: you can ask the trustees t make things more clear like with the lowercase cabal package
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2019-06-28 11:08:37	dxld	lukelau: cool
2019-06-28 11:10:44	dxld	I think you could explain the reasoning for some of the reasoning a bit better
2019-06-28 11:11:12	dxld	like how to get from tcRnImports to UriCaches (or was that just an informed guess? if so say so :)
2019-06-28 11:13:04	dxld	I think you should also at least explain quickly what the info table has to do with findPtr'ing
2019-06-28 11:15:56	dxld	I like how you show both ghc and cabal flags, but the `-fwhole-archive-hs-libs` example doesn't have a corresponding cabal call
2019-06-28 11:16:22	dxld	also the -g3 command is missing -fwhole-arch for consistency, no?
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2019-06-28 12:46:38	mpickering	lukelau: Where is the source for the post so I can submit some edits?
2019-06-28 12:51:46	mpickering	For example I would say you first should use `-hy` to find the type of the thing that's leaking
2019-06-28 12:51:51	mpickering	then add weak pointers pointing to that
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2019-06-28 14:10:49	lukelau	mpickering: I tried out hy but the types were too finely detailed types to be useful, it was stuff like ARR_WORDS etc
2019-06-28 14:11:08	mpickering	You can see that `HsExpr` is leaking through
2019-06-28 14:11:15	mpickering	which indicates looking at `TypecheckedModule`
2019-06-28 14:11:34	mpickering	I don't understand how you go from the retainer profiler to adding a weak pointer
2019-06-28 14:16:40	lukelau	mpickering dxld: let me send you the source later this evening, I’m on my phone
2019-06-28 14:17:34	lukelau	Or if you want to edit HTML
2019-06-28 14:18:25	lukelau	I don’t think I saw HsExpr, did you tweak with the -prof settings? The event log graph at the bottom is -hy
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2019-06-28 14:20:57	mpickering	lukelau: What commit is it from? from before we fixed any leaks?
2019-06-28 14:40:07	jose_zap	alanz I'm having a hard time using the latest haskell-lsp, the use of NormalizedUri has a ripple effect in all the code and I'm left wordering if we are meant to just use NormalizedUri everywhere or just convert to it ad-hoc as the compiler complains about it 
2019-06-28 14:40:14	jose_zap	do you have any guidance on this issue?
2019-06-28 14:42:44	wz1000	jose_zap: You should use normalized uri when the compiler complains, or when you want to use Eq/Ord instances
2019-06-28 14:43:05	wz1000	So for Maps and Sets you should use NormalizedUri
2019-06-28 14:43:22	wz1000	And you can use Uri everywhere else
2019-06-28 14:43:55	jose_zap	wz1000 so ad-hoc as the compiler complais about it?
2019-06-28 14:44:15	jose_zap	it is in so many places that it makes you feel like something is not right
2019-06-28 14:45:13	wz1000	yes.
2019-06-28 14:47:13	jose_zap	ok
2019-06-28 14:47:16	jose_zap	thanks
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2019-06-28 16:06:24	lukelau_	mpickering: Yeah, when it was leak free
2019-06-28 16:06:31	lukelau_	*leak-full
2019-06-28 16:07:00	lukelau_	I wanted to do a bit with call sites actually
2019-06-28 16:07:28	lukelau_	Can you annotate types so that they appear in -hy?
2019-06-28 16:07:56	mpickering	What do you mean?
2019-06-28 16:10:36	lukelau_	Call sites are added to expressions, but I want to be able to add them to types, so that -hy stops recursing whenever it encounters that type on the heap whilst profiling
2019-06-28 16:10:54	lukelau_	i.e. so it doesn't get broken down into ARR_WORDS Int etc.
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2019-06-28 16:18:33	lukelau_	dxld: damn thanks for spotting the missing -fwhole-archive-lib
2019-06-28 16:20:26	mpickering	lukelau_: No you can't do that. 
2019-06-28 16:20:45	mpickering	I believe that is actually what dxld was implementing though
2019-06-28 16:32:12	dxld	not exactly
2019-06-28 16:33:03	dxld	lukelau_: can you elaborate on what you want from your types break-down?
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2019-06-28 18:07:14	jose_zap	alanz any chance you can release a new version of haskell-lsp? I'll take care of updating lsp-test and hie
2019-06-28 18:07:36	jose_zap	I was able to use it from a submodule and verify that my changes work fine
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2019-06-28 20:47:42	hexagoxel	brittany is in stackage again (starting with tomorrows nightly, i guess)
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2019-06-28 22:46:24	mpickering	wz1000: Are you going to submit this blog post to reddit?
2019-06-28 23:12:31	wz1000	mpickering: I forgot the password to my account. And the couple of times I tried to post on reddit from a new account, my posts go straight to the spam filter and only show up much later
2019-06-28 23:12:47	wz1000	so if you want could, that would be great
2019-06-28 23:28:28	mpickering	ok I will post it
2019-06-28 23:31:28	wz1000	I made an account for minecraft purposes some eight years ago, and haven't used it for at least 4
2019-06-28 23:39:16	mpickering	apparently I made my account 9 years ago. Seems longer
2019-06-28 23:42:50	mpickering	wz1000: How well will HieDb work indexing the whole of stackage?
2019-06-28 23:43:13	mpickering	Do the commands allow you to specify a package as well as a module, I forget
2019-06-28 23:44:38	wz1000	mpickering: yes, they allow you to specify a unit id
2019-06-28 23:45:11	mpickering	ok good
2019-06-28 23:45:24	wz1000	the queries work as expected if the unit id is unambiguous
2019-06-28 23:45:47	mpickering	when 8.8 is released I will add some nix support to make it easy to generate hie files
2019-06-28 23:45:50	wz1000	if it is ambiguous, they will report an error list all the possible unit ids
2019-06-28 23:45:56	wz1000	*listing
2019-06-28 23:46:27	mpickering	not very much point doing that though until more packages support 8.8
2019-06-28 23:46:46	wz1000	yeah. MFP is going to break a lot of stuff
2019-06-28 23:48:42	mpickering	the 8.8 release has been going on for so long now maybe a lot of stuff will be ready
2019-06-28 23:49:52	wz1000	for the name-refs output on eqType in the blog, I got worried that it was wrong because eqType is 6 chars but all the reported spans are 8 chars
2019-06-28 23:50:11	wz1000	but it turns out that it is allows used as `eqType` in infix form
2019-06-28 23:50:19	wz1000	s/allows/alwayss
2019-06-28 23:51:49	mpickering	haha
2019-06-28 23:51:54	mpickering	good eye to spot that
2019-06-28 23:52:07	mpickering	I suppose you have spent a lot of your life looking at source spans
2019-06-28 23:52:10	mpickering	that was my life once...
2019-06-28 23:54:59	wz1000	the ghc source span definition is fundamentally flawed in the presence of CPP
2019-06-28 23:55:43	dxld	how so?
2019-06-28 23:56:11	wz1000	if you use CPP, spans can span over multiple files
2019-06-28 23:56:26	dxld	hmm
2019-06-28 23:56:51	dxld	damn
2019-06-28 23:57:01	dxld	just another reason to get rid of CPP I guess :p
2019-06-28 23:57:06	wz1000	But when ghc tries to combine spans that come from multiple files, it gives up and reports an UnhelpfulSpan
2019-06-28 23:57:19	dxld	uff
2019-06-28 23:57:45	dxld	that's the one that has zero location info?
2019-06-28 23:58:01	mpickering	How do you end up with spans over multiple files?
2019-06-28 23:58:06	wz1000	#include
2019-06-28 23:58:24	dxld	or a #define being inlined is my guess
2019-06-28 23:58:24	mpickering	do people #include haskell source code?
2019-06-28 23:58:29	wz1000	if you try to build the ghc tree with -fvalidate-scopes 
2019-06-28 23:58:44	wz1000	You will get 4 errors, all of them are due to this
2019-06-28 23:59:05	mpickering	which files?
2019-06-28 23:59:09	wz1000	Lexer.hs
2019-06-28 23:59:25	wz1000	Lexer.x 
2019-06-28 23:59:25	dxld	wz1000: can you not simply make it return a span for the current file instead of an unhelpful one?
2019-06-28 23:59:29	wz1000	I think
2019-06-28 23:59:44	wz1000	dxld: the spans in the AST are unhelpful, I can't patch them up later
2019-06-28 23:59:52	dxld	I mean in ghc
2019-06-29 00:00:14	wz1000	HpcParser.hs
2019-06-29 00:00:25	mpickering	So these are all files generated by Alex/happy?
2019-06-29 00:00:27	wz1000	That wont help the scope issue
2019-06-29 00:00:36	dxld	what's that?
2019-06-29 00:00:47	wz1000	CmmLex.hs
2019-06-29 00:01:46	wz1000	dxld: .hie files try to calculate the scope of a symbol (as a SrcSpan) when they come across bindings
2019-06-29 00:02:08	wz1000	There is a test to check that all symbols occur in their calculated scopes
2019-06-29 00:03:20	dxld	I don't understand why bending the sourcespans to point at the hspp wouldn't help here though?
2019-06-29 00:04:50	wz1000	what is the hspp?
2019-06-29 00:05:26	dxld	the final output of preprocessing, the real input to the haskell parser in ghc
2019-06-29 00:05:36	dxld	it's just what they call it in the pipeline
2019-06-29 00:06:21	wz1000	for that wouldn't you have to somehow reverse the effect of SOURCE pragmas?
2019-06-29 00:06:39	wz1000	and combining SrcSpans is supposed to be a pure function
2019-06-29 00:07:23	dxld	SOURCE pragmas? do you mean LINE pragmas? never heard of the SOURCE one
2019-06-29 00:08:07	dxld	hmm I still think that could be done
2019-06-29 00:08:14	wz1000	yeah, thats what I meant
2019-06-29 00:08:17	dxld	just have to include the real file in the srcspan also
2019-06-29 00:08:28	dxld	and only use it as a fallback when combining
2019-06-29 00:09:20	mpickering	wz1000: You know all these files are generated by Happy or Alex? 
2019-06-29 00:09:20	dxld	then again using hspp is probably a bad idea
2019-06-29 00:09:39	dxld	what I really want is for the srcspans to just poing at the original input file in that case
2019-06-29 00:10:10	mpickering	You could be quite precise about defining where a function exposed by happy is defined
2019-06-29 00:10:17	dxld	even if that's somewhat unhelpful as it'd point at the call site of #include/define expansions instead of where the code actually came from
2019-06-29 00:10:32	wz1000	mpickering: how is that
2019-06-29 00:11:08	mpickering	You specify at the top of a happy file what entry points you want
2019-06-29 00:11:26	mpickering	I suppose you are finding these errors indexing generated files which don't expose anything to uses
2019-06-29 00:11:30	mpickering	*users
2019-06-29 00:11:35	mpickering	Which is quite a wasted effort
2019-06-29 00:14:00	dxld	but how do you differentiate such generated things from real stuff?
2019-06-29 00:14:18	dxld	and what if a generated file defines a function I'm looking for?
2019-06-29 00:14:31	dxld	this is not a problem specific to alex/happy
2019-06-29 00:14:47	wz1000	yeah, you can screw pretty much any file up with LINE pragma
2019-06-29 00:15:05	dxld	I think we just need to handle that in ghc somehow
2019-06-29 00:15:08	wz1000	especially one in the middle of a function definition
2019-06-29 00:15:22	dxld	these combined srcspans are for go-to-defintion, right?
2019-06-29 00:15:39	dxld	or why exactly do you have to combine them?
2019-06-29 00:16:12	wz1000	for the scope
2019-06-29 00:16:20	wz1000	for example, a do block
2019-06-29 00:16:31	wz1000	is represented as a [LStmt]
2019-06-29 00:16:57	wz1000	so to get the scope of a variable bound by do x <- foo; ...
2019-06-29 00:17:16	wz1000	you have to combine the spans of all the stmts in the ...
2019-06-29 00:18:03	dxld	why not simply return multiple sourcespans then?
2019-06-29 00:18:12	dxld	since that would be the "right" answer
2019-06-29 00:18:24	dxld	"this variable is visible in these spans"
2019-06-29 00:18:29	wz1000	there are other cases
2019-06-29 00:19:29	wz1000	and sometimes the spans are combined by ghc itself
2019-06-29 00:19:37	dxld	is there a particular user facing feature this is supporting? or are you including it just because the info is there?
2019-06-29 00:19:47	dxld	well in that case ghc needs a multispan type ;)
2019-06-29 00:21:16	wz1000	the point was to support accurate completions for local variables
2019-06-29 00:21:23	wz1000	not implement yet though
2019-06-29 00:21:28	dxld	ah cool
2019-06-29 00:21:46	dxld	so with that feature in mind what do we actually want then
2019-06-29 00:22:30	dxld	I think for one you want the original source file in the span then, not any generated crap the user isn't editing in
2019-06-29 00:22:55	wz1000	since it is not that critical, we can just do nothing. no one is going to die if they don't always get 100% accurate completions
2019-06-29 00:22:59	dxld	so a sort of fallback to orginal source like I said above could work
2019-06-29 00:23:12	dxld	I am going to die if I don't get completions :p
2019-06-29 00:23:22	dxld	they don't have to be 100% accurate but they have to be there
2019-06-29 00:23:44	dxld	hence I'm leaning more towards an overapproximation instead of just doing nothing
2019-06-29 00:24:13	mpickering	Zubin I think this is a separate point though, the .hie files and lsif files for the generated modules are very big and useless
2019-06-29 00:24:15	wz1000	simple overapproximation is to include all local variables ever defined in the file
2019-06-29 00:24:22	wz1000	yes
2019-06-29 00:24:28	dxld	:)
2019-06-29 00:24:33	wz1000	mpickering: what can we do about it
2019-06-29 00:24:33	mpickering	so a mechanism to detect them would be useful
2019-06-29 00:24:37	mpickering	not that I can suggest anything right now
2019-06-29 00:24:39	mpickering	but something to think about
2019-06-29 00:24:49	dxld	but we can do better than that :p
2019-06-29 00:25:34	dxld	the point is we don't need to do any of the multispan stuff just for this
2019-06-29 00:26:07	wz1000	how do you fallback to the original source?
2019-06-29 00:26:22	wz1000	If ghc is fed a generated file, like in this case
2019-06-29 00:27:02	dxld	that is a good point
2019-06-29 00:27:19	dxld	ghc only knows the hspp path statically
2019-06-29 00:27:28	dxld	the rest comes in through LINE pragmas :/
2019-06-29 00:28:41	dxld	but say we can get the name of the original input file somehow
2019-06-29 00:28:55	dxld	(could just introduce another special pragma for that)
2019-06-29 00:29:23	wz1000	my attitude is that people who use CPP simply don't deserve nice things
2019-06-29 00:29:35	mpickering	This isn't CPP though
2019-06-29 00:29:40	dxld	hmm
2019-06-29 00:29:45	dxld	you might have a point there ;)
2019-06-29 00:29:57	dxld	but Happy/Alex are valid use cases tbh
2019-06-29 00:30:00	mpickering	and structured program generation is legitimate 
2019-06-29 00:30:04	wz1000	mpickering: this isn't, but CPP also this
2019-06-29 00:30:10	wz1000	also leads to this
2019-06-29 00:30:25	mpickering	yes if you use CPP then I don't care about supporting you
2019-06-29 00:30:55	dxld	so I'm thinking basically we need to include with every span the location in the original input file it corresponds to
2019-06-29 00:31:03	dxld	then you can merge them easily
2019-06-29 00:32:05	dxld	you find out which file is supposed to be the "original" one via a pragma (or some context option ghc's pipeline code takes care of)
2019-06-29 00:33:45	dxld	and then you need an extra thing to keep track of the "current original" source loc in the lexer as you walk the source
2019-06-29 00:33:58	dxld	and this sourceloc simply ignores foreign LINE pragmas essentially
2019-06-29 00:35:01	dxld	does that make any sense?
2019-06-29 00:35:06	wz1000	mpickering, dxld: Here is a specific failure case https://gist.github.com/wz1000/9653baf2b43fcd3281da9e019bca0ea6
2019-06-29 00:35:44	wz1000	Line 12 in that gist is line 3307 in Lexer.hs
2019-06-29 00:35:47	mpickering	Zubin how did you generate the pdf for HIW?
2019-06-29 00:36:04	wz1000	mpickering: pandoc -s in.md -o out.md
2019-06-29 00:36:09	wz1000	*out.pdf
2019-06-29 00:36:15	mpickering	how did you do the author/affiliation part?
2019-06-29 00:36:27	mpickering	can you paste the markdown file you used?
2019-06-29 00:36:31	wz1000	I didn't add affiliation
2019-06-29 00:36:34	mpickering	ok
2019-06-29 00:36:42	dxld	wz1000: right, do you have the hspp for that too? then we can see the line pragmas more clearly
2019-06-29 00:36:56	wz1000	mpickering: it should be there in the gist that I sent you
2019-06-29 00:37:00	wz1000	or that you sent me
2019-06-29 00:37:02	wz1000	the header 
2019-06-29 00:37:11	wz1000	with ---\n ... \n---
2019-06-29 00:37:34	dxld	(just -keep-tmp-files and then pick it out from /tmp somewhere)
2019-06-29 00:37:41	wz1000	mpickering: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/mpickering/fdcfd8f9cbc0b31d6ae70a8d1dcb0786/raw/d4695300172a03a1937d88586b0c413f5e3fc9c6/hiw.md
2019-06-29 00:37:45	mpickering	thanks
2019-06-29 00:38:57	wz1000	dxld: I don't want to compile ghc atm
2019-06-29 00:39:09	dxld	ok
2019-06-29 00:39:32	dxld	I'll just construct the hspp by hand, hang on
2019-06-29 00:40:12	wz1000	dxld: but in this case I think whats happening is that the #ifdef is resetting the LINE from GenericTemplate.hs back to Lexer.hs, which is the name of the actual file 
2019-06-29 00:40:27	dxld	shouldn't be
2019-06-29 00:40:56	mpickering	wz1000: Oh that is is horrible!
2019-06-29 00:40:57	dxld	ghc includes cpp style #line pragmas so that doesn't happen
2019-06-29 00:41:08	dxld	let me construct a test case
2019-06-29 00:41:24	mpickering	I didn't realise they generated code *which contained CPP*
2019-06-29 00:42:07	wz1000	dxld: you can see that it is being defined at GenericTemplate.hs:60 and used at Lexer.hs:3307, which is the actual line/file
2019-06-29 00:42:33	dxld	mhm
2019-06-29 00:42:44	dxld	I just want to see what that looks like in terms of line pragmas
2019-06-29 00:42:55	dxld	maybe cpp is just doing something wrong ;)
2019-06-29 00:43:00	dxld	in which case fuck cpp
2019-06-29 00:44:32	dxld	ah I was looking at that wrong
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2019-06-29 00:44:45	dxld	the surrounding context would be for Lexer.hs (doh)
2019-06-29 00:45:12	dxld	do you have the top bit of that file?
2019-06-29 00:45:48	wz1000	I can give you the entire file, but the 3rd line is {-# LINE 43 "compiler/parser/Lexer.x" #-}
2019-06-29 00:45:54	dxld	does it have a gcc style `# 1 "Lexer.hs"` or a ghc style {-# LINE #-} pragma?
2019-06-29 00:46:03	dxld	yup that's what I was looking for thanks
2019-06-29 00:46:26	mpickering	I have a certain level of belief that Daniel could compile GHC himself to discover this
2019-06-29 00:47:50	dxld	so what exactly is GenericTemplate.hs?
2019-06-29 00:47:53	wz1000	Lexer.x/Lexer.hs is also itself contains code that deals with generating LINE pragmas
2019-06-29 00:48:00	dxld	is that something that's getting #include'd in the Lexer.x?
2019-06-29 00:48:17	wz1000	dxld: as far as I can tellk, it is just something alex inserts when it feels like it
2019-06-29 00:48:34	wz1000	I can find no trace of it in my file system
2019-06-29 00:49:04	dxld	ok
2019-06-29 00:50:48	dxld	right so neither of the spans you get really is the one we want
2019-06-29 00:50:50	wz1000	dxld: this is the full extract following the LINE pragma https://gist.github.com/wz1000/25ea2a6e5fb727b5adff71d657f29ac4
2019-06-29 00:50:55	dxld	we'd want something in Lexer.x
2019-06-29 00:53:30	dxld	so yeah I think we can do this how I said above
2019-06-29 00:53:54	wz1000	https://github.com/simonmar/alex/blob/master/templates/GenericTemplate.hs
2019-06-29 00:53:57	dxld	whenever you see a line pragma just ignore it if it isn't for the one declared to be the "original" source
2019-06-29 00:54:08	wz1000	this is probably #included
2019-06-29 00:54:11	dxld	and just keep counting lines like you normally would
2019-06-29 00:54:46	dxld	basically CPP adds it's line pragmas before/after any splice (include/define/whathaveyou)
2019-06-29 00:55:13	dxld	alex/happy add their own with GHC's {-#LINE-#} syntax, but the difference doesn't really matter
2019-06-29 00:55:51	dxld	ok what I said isn't true, you have to ignore bits that don't come from the "original" source file
2019-06-29 00:56:00	dxld	instead of "keep counting"
2019-06-29 00:57:29	dxld	so in your example there's a LINE pragma for Lexer.x at the top, so whenever we switch away from that with a line pragma for another file we just stop counting lines in Lexer.x
2019-06-29 00:57:58	dxld	then every emitted srcloc from then on just gets the last position we were at in Lexer.x
2019-06-29 00:58:11	dxld	and when the line pragams switch us back to Lexer.x we keep counting
2019-06-29 00:58:42	wz1000	dxld: but here I think the #ifdef is switching us back to Lexer.hs
2019-06-29 00:59:17	dxld	that's because that's generated by alex
2019-06-29 00:59:20	dxld	so indeed it should
2019-06-29 00:59:42	dxld	(the ifdef is alex generated, not in the source, right?)
2019-06-29 00:59:52	wz1000	yes
2019-06-29 01:00:00	dxld	so eventually it has to switch us back to Lexer.x
2019-06-29 01:01:00	dxld	so in the combining function we see we're in the unhelpful srcspan case and simply fall back to this recorded span in the "original" source
2019-06-29 01:01:49	dxld	remember that we wouldn't be replacing the srclocs ghc is emitting now, just adding another kind of loc for the original source
2019-06-29 01:02:04	dxld	only to be used for combining in this case
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2019-06-29 14:28:43	mpickering	Well done on a popular post Zubin
2019-06-29 14:28:52	mpickering	Good reaction in the FP slack as well
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2019-06-29 14:59:26	wz1000	mpickering: how can I dump core for the compile of a particular file in GHC with stage 1?
2019-06-29 14:59:50	mpickering	the hacky way, copy the command line and add `-ddump-simpl`
2019-06-29 14:59:58	wz1000	adding {-# OPTIONS_GHC -ddump-simpl #-} and building with hadrian doesn't work
2019-06-29 15:00:17	mpickering	You can use `-ddump-to-file` as well?
2019-06-29 15:00:23	mpickering	It proably swallows the stdout
2019-06-29 15:03:38	wz1000	{-# OPTIONS_GHC -ddump-to-file /home/zubin/dump #-} results in "unknown flag in  {-# OPTIONS_GHC #-} pragma: /home/zubin/dump"
2019-06-29 15:04:04	wz1000	andit doesn't work if I put in an = instead of a space
2019-06-29 15:04:05	wz1000	either
2019-06-29 15:06:37	mpickering	It doesn't take an argument
2019-06-29 15:06:43	mpickering	it will dump it next to the source file I think
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2019-06-29 19:19:05	mpickering	wz1000: The master repo for HieDb still has an absolute path 
2019-06-29 19:21:29	wz1000	mpickering: where?
2019-06-29 19:21:38	mpickering	In the cabal.project
2019-06-29 19:21:53	mpickering	If you want to add the cabal dependency then point to the git repo
2019-06-29 19:22:36	mpickering	https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/latest/nix-local-build.html#specifying-packages-from-remote-version-control-locations
2019-06-29 19:22:40	wz1000	mpickering: that is a patched version of Cabal 2.4.1 compatible with MFP
2019-06-29 19:22:52	mpickering	You need to use cabal 3.0 with 8.8..
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2019-06-29 19:23:32	mpickering	If you use cabal-install 3.0 then it will work 
2019-06-29 19:26:29	wz1000	mpickering: does 8.8 alpha come with cabal 3.0?
2019-06-29 19:26:35	mpickering	I admit I can't think of a very good way to install cabal-install-3.0 on nix
2019-06-29 19:26:48	mpickering	It doesn't come with it
2019-06-29 19:27:07	mpickering	the 2.4.1.0 dependency comes from a custom Setup.hs
2019-06-29 19:28:25	wz1000	mpickering: Can I install cabal-install 3.0 by building the version in the ghc tree?
2019-06-29 19:28:32	wz1000	with cabal 2.4.1?
2019-06-29 19:28:36	mpickering	No because it's just the cabal library
2019-06-29 19:28:44	mpickering	What OS do you use
2019-06-29 19:28:58	wz1000	arch linux
2019-06-29 19:29:19	mpickering	there is a 3.0 in hvr's ppa (which is no use to you)
2019-06-29 19:29:25	mpickering	I am just building 3.0 from the source
2019-06-29 19:30:18	mpickering	when are you going to start using nixos?
2019-06-29 19:30:24	wz1000	mpickering: the master branch of github.com/haskell/Cabal?
2019-06-29 19:30:30	wz1000	when I get a bigger ssd
2019-06-29 19:30:40	mpickering	https://github.com/haskell/cabal/tree/3.0
2019-06-29 19:30:50	mpickering	I suppose master will work fine
2019-06-29 19:30:52	mpickering	I am building master now
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2019-06-29 19:33:49	wz1000	new-install already gobbles up all my disk space when I use -w ghc-HEAD
2019-06-29 19:34:00	wz1000	since the version is different every day
2019-06-29 19:34:32	wz1000	so it keeps rebuilding everything and sticking it in a new directory
2019-06-29 19:34:40	wz1000	new-build I mean
2019-06-29 19:35:16	wz1000	mpickering: do I need to build 3.0 with 8.8?
2019-06-29 19:36:29	wz1000	with 8.6.5 I get this: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/48fa1663f2dfe2c681958e8f72e184b8
2019-06-29 19:36:38	wz1000	which doesn't seem right
2019-06-29 19:37:09	wz1000	It's like I'm in node js land
2019-06-29 19:40:26	wz1000	To build Cabal-3, I must build Cabal-2.4 first
2019-06-29 19:40:51	wz1000	even though I'm using cabal-install 2.4
2019-06-29 19:45:19	mpickering	Doesn't Cabal 2.4 come bundled with ghc-8.6.5?
2019-06-29 19:45:33	wz1000	I guess
2019-06-29 19:45:43	wz1000	But it wants to build it again
2019-06-29 19:46:41	mpickering	I managed to build it
2019-06-29 19:46:43	mpickering	with 8.6.4
2019-06-29 19:46:56	wz1000	I'm still building 2.4
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2019-06-29 20:14:05	wz1000	mpickering: now I get this when building hiedb: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/789d7b937d7a6735b89a2a335e90cfa9
2019-06-29 20:14:24	wz1000	what the fuck does (conflict: requires ViewPatterns) mean?
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2019-06-29 21:23:16	mpickering	wtf
2019-06-29 21:23:23	mpickering	It probably fails to understand the version of ghc you are using
2019-06-29 21:29:10	mpickering	wz1000: Works for me
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2019-06-29 22:00:58	mpickering	I tried to get it building with haskell.nix but to no avail
2019-06-29 22:02:53	mpickering	I was going to add support to haskell.nix to generate hie files for all dependencies
2019-06-29 22:03:05	mpickering	but no point at the moment, it's too fresh to work with a different ghc version
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2019-06-29 22:54:58	power-fungus	hie brings the dependency-resolution of cabal to its limits (see issue #1309). Would it make sense to contact the cabal-devs about this issue?
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2019-06-29 23:51:15	wz1000	mpickering: what would be the goal of the reflex implementation of downsweep?
2019-06-29 23:52:38	wz1000	I know that downsweep would be necessary for the .hie file server, because the ModuleGraph is how we can associate Modules back to actual source files
2019-06-29 23:53:04	wz1000	But what do you see the rewrite bringing that the GHC implementation lacks?
2019-06-30 00:07:49	wz1000	mpickering: nuking dist-newstyle got rid of the (conflict: ViewPatterns) thing, but now I can't build ghc-paths. How did you manage to do that?
2019-06-30 00:08:06	wz1000	rawSystemProgramStdoutConf is not in scope
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2019-06-30 00:21:37	mpickering	I just typed `cabal new-build` so not sure
2019-06-30 00:23:22	mpickering	How would it work if you don't implement `downsweep`?
2019-06-30 00:23:59	mpickering	perhaps it could, it's harder for me to think about though
2019-06-30 00:24:48	wz1000	mpickering: use the GHC downsweep?
2019-06-30 00:25:00	mpickering	but how would that work?
2019-06-30 00:25:07	mpickering	You get an event saying that a file has changed
2019-06-30 00:25:12	mpickering	and then what?
2019-06-30 00:26:30	wz1000	set its targetContents to the new string buffer and run depanal?
2019-06-30 00:26:46	mpickering	the part that is meant to do the incremental computation is reflex
2019-06-30 00:26:57	mpickering	It seems weird to split the incremental part into two different places
2019-06-30 00:27:25	mpickering	if a module is updated, then that event if pushed into the network and then all things which depend on that module get updated
2019-06-30 00:27:33	mpickering	such as, other modules if we need to recompile them
2019-06-30 00:27:40	mpickering	or type, hover queries
2019-06-30 00:27:41	mpickering	etc
2019-06-30 00:28:45	wz1000	"It seems weird to split the incremental part into two different places" I don't understand this
2019-06-30 00:28:54	wz1000	what are the two places?
2019-06-30 00:32:31	mpickering	1. GHC API, 2. the reflex network
2019-06-30 00:32:49	mpickering	Do you understand how FRP applications are structured? perhaps I could help explain that?
2019-06-30 00:49:12	wz1000	mpickering: a bit. I would be good to understand an overview of how you see this entire thing working though
2019-06-30 00:54:04	wz1000	lets talk about this tomorrow, I need to sleep
2019-06-30 00:57:14	mpickering	sure, good night
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2019-06-30 14:36:53	wz1000	mpickering: see https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/1316 and https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/1317
2019-06-30 14:38:15	wz1000	the typeclass info branch is rebased on top of these
2019-06-30 14:38:46	wz1000	so 1316 -> 1317 -> 1286
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2019-06-30 15:17:23	mpickering	thanks I will look
2019-06-30 15:17:26	mpickering	do you want to talk about reflex now?
2019-06-30 15:21:31	wz1000	sure
2019-06-30 15:25:43	mpickering	ok so in reflex there are two basic building blocks, events and behaviours
2019-06-30 15:26:11	mpickering	The main idea is that your whole program is parameterised by an abstract notion of time
2019-06-30 15:26:21	mpickering	events drive the time forward
2019-06-30 15:26:21	wz1000	this much I got
2019-06-30 15:26:31	mpickering	the state of the system you can inspect using behaviours
2019-06-30 15:26:47	mpickering	there are also dynamics which are a combination of the two, do you can inspect intermediate state and also be informed by it changes
2019-06-30 15:27:00	mpickering	The inputs to your system are the events
2019-06-30 15:27:17	mpickering	These are infinite streams of values
2019-06-30 15:27:28	mpickering	you connect events to behaviours 
2019-06-30 15:27:34	wz1000	But to get the behaviour at any point of time, you need an Event, right?
2019-06-30 15:27:37	mpickering	and then when a new event arrives, the state of the behaviour changes
2019-06-30 15:27:57	mpickering	because the whole "time" of the network moves forward
2019-06-30 15:28:15	mpickering	You "push" in an event and the changes propagate through the network so everything remains consistent
2019-06-30 15:29:00	wz1000	ok
2019-06-30 15:30:13	wz1000	can you talk about how you see the language server working as a network?
2019-06-30 15:30:41	mpickering	Suppose you have a fixed program with two modules
2019-06-30 15:30:46	mpickering	A imports B
2019-06-30 15:31:11	mpickering	Also suppose there is a event stream which informs us every time there is a save
2019-06-30 15:31:37	wz1000	ok
2019-06-30 15:31:49	mpickering	So the way you probably set things up is that you have a `Dynamic` for both A and B which contains the TypecheckedModule
2019-06-30 15:32:19	mpickering	The value of the dynamic for `A` depends on the the one for `B`.
2019-06-30 15:32:34	wz1000	what is a Dynamic? (I'm assuming its not Data.Dynamic)
2019-06-30 15:32:48	mpickering	It's the combination of a behaviour and an event
2019-06-30 15:32:56	wz1000	like a tuple?
2019-06-30 15:33:01	mpickering	You can think of it like that
2019-06-30 15:33:06	mpickering	It has a value at all time points
2019-06-30 15:33:12	mpickering	and when the value changes, it sends an event
2019-06-30 15:33:23	mpickering	It's usually more convenient to work with Dynamics 
2019-06-30 15:33:28	wz1000	ok
2019-06-30 15:33:29	mpickering	as they are more flexible
2019-06-30 15:33:56	mpickering	So the network receieves an event saying that B has changed
2019-06-30 15:34:04	mpickering	Which means that you call the GHC API to recompile module B
2019-06-30 15:34:13	mpickering	and then push the event to the B dynamic
2019-06-30 15:34:26	mpickering	which then causes A to be recompiled because it depends on B
2019-06-30 15:35:01	mpickering	Perhaps the way you actually want to set it up is that you have A.hi -> B.hi; A.hi -> A.hs; B.hi -> B.hs
2019-06-30 15:35:14	wz1000	ok. So A's dynamic has to listen for Events on B's dynamic?
2019-06-30 15:35:16	mpickering	And then a change to the .hs will trigger the .hi getting recompiled
2019-06-30 15:35:52	mpickering	yes
2019-06-30 15:36:28	mpickering	Then once you have a Dynamic TypecheckedModule for each module, each query you want to perform depends on that dynamic
2019-06-30 15:36:37	wz1000	ok
2019-06-30 15:36:42	mpickering	So perhaps you have `Behaviour TypeMap`
2019-06-30 15:36:49	wz1000	what happens if B fails to compile due to a parse error?
2019-06-30 15:37:09	mpickering	ah right. So this is assuming you know the module structure beforehand.
2019-06-30 15:37:21	mpickering	But you can dynamically modify the structure of the network using reflex because it's monadic
2019-06-30 15:37:38	wz1000	suppose we do. I'm still interested in the case where B fails to compile
2019-06-30 15:37:58	wz1000	do we throw away the stuff generated for the old version of B?
2019-06-30 15:38:08	mpickering	I guess that depends what you want to do?
2019-06-30 15:38:18	wz1000	(i.e. does reflex force us to do that?)
2019-06-30 15:38:34	mpickering	I'm not sure
2019-06-30 15:39:11	mpickering	I think you can engineer it so that it doesn't
2019-06-30 15:39:18	mpickering	I don't think it has an opinion here
2019-06-30 15:40:48	mpickering	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/reflex-0.6.1/docs/Reflex-Dynamic.html#v:attachPromptlyDynWithMaybe
2019-06-30 15:40:56	mpickering	something like this might be what you like. The API is very rich
2019-06-30 15:41:39	wz1000	so something like Hover will look like Behaviour TypeMap -> Event HoverRequest -> Event HoverResponse?
2019-06-30 15:41:41	mpickering	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/reflex-0.6.1/docs/Reflex-Dynamic.html#v:improvingMaybe
2019-06-30 15:43:04	mpickering	I think you are right you want the ouput to also be an Event. Because in this case it's about sending an event stream back to the LSP client
2019-06-30 15:43:19	mpickering	That type looks plausible yes
2019-06-30 15:45:43	mpickering	Good starting points are `reflex-basic-host` and https://github.com/qfpl/reflex-backend-socket
2019-06-30 15:46:00	mpickering	Also joining #reflex-frp is a good way to absorb information
2019-06-30 15:46:57	mpickering	All the documentation is very abstract so it will be a challenge at first
2019-06-30 15:47:05	wz1000	In HIE, we run requests needing GHC/a recompile on a different thread to requests that just need a lookup in the cached info
2019-06-30 15:47:23	wz1000	so that hover doesn't block on GHC compiling stuff
2019-06-30 15:48:21	wz1000	so if we have old information, we prefer to respond immediately using that as opposed to waiting for the results of a compile to come in
2019-06-30 15:48:30	mpickering	sure
2019-06-30 15:48:44	mpickering	reflex is designed to make interactive single-page websites so I imagine they have thought about this
2019-06-30 15:50:09	wz1000	I suppose this could be handled by invalidating the old info only when the results of a compile come in, as opposed to when a file is changed/recompilation is needed
2019-06-30 15:50:10	mpickering	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/reflex-0.6.1/docs/Reflex-PerformEvent-Class.html
2019-06-30 15:51:01	mpickering	You don't explicitly invalidate anything in reflex ^ that is the right approach
2019-06-30 15:54:37	mpickering	If I were you I would try and set up a very very simple case to start with, use a dummy input/output event stream
2019-06-30 15:54:43	mpickering	and a fixed network of modules
2019-06-30 15:55:06	mpickering	a fixed HscEnv, etc
2019-06-30 15:55:24	mpickering	get that working and then slowly keep generalising
2019-06-30 15:56:40	mpickering	Here's another example which could help get you started - https://www.reddit.com/r/reflexfrp/comments/93cskn/a_simple_tournament_bracket_gist/
2019-06-30 15:56:53	mpickering	A "tournament bracket" is very much like a module graph
2019-06-30 15:59:47	mpickering	https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/c6ndwf/hie_files_coming_soon_to_a_ghc_near_you/esea5xh/
2019-06-30 16:03:45	wz1000	mpickering: to make this work properly, we should store import information in .hie files, no?
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2019-06-30 16:04:13	wz1000	something like ImportAvails?
2019-06-30 16:04:20	mpickering	You can get import information from parsing the `.hs` files?
2019-06-30 16:04:44	mpickering	Do you mean something more finegrained?
2019-06-30 16:04:52	wz1000	but you can't get which symbols are imported from where
2019-06-30 16:05:13	wz1000	unless you go and collect all the exports from the imports
2019-06-30 16:05:44	mpickering	so to work "properly" you mean that a module is only recompiled if one of the symbols it uses changes?
2019-06-30 16:06:04	wz1000	mpickering: i was talking about the reddit comment
2019-06-30 16:06:07	wz1000	about weeder
2019-06-30 16:06:13	mpickering	ah sorry
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2019-06-30 16:06:47	mpickering	Can you not tell where a symbol is imported from by looking at its occurence?
2019-06-30 16:06:54	mpickering	That information is in a `Name` isn't it?
2019-06-30 16:07:41	wz1000	no, that gives the defining module
2019-06-30 16:08:14	wz1000	so (+) is defined in GHC.Num, even though the user got it by `import Prelude`
2019-06-30 16:08:56	mpickering	right ok
2019-06-30 16:09:11	mpickering	Leave it for now I suppose and he will complain if it doesn't work for him
2019-06-30 16:09:18	mpickering	He is good at upstreaming problems
2019-06-30 16:11:19	mpickering	Have I given you enough to get started with?
2019-06-30 16:11:39	wz1000	yes
2019-06-30 16:11:41	wz1000	thanks
2019-06-30 16:12:08	mpickering	#reflex-frp for questions about reflex pls; I only have a theoretical understanding
2019-06-30 16:12:34	mpickering	If things don't work out straight away then don't worry, this is research
2019-06-30 16:12:40	mpickering	it's about getting things wrong in order to get things right
2019-06-30 16:16:44	wz1000	mpickering: do you think there's a chance for !1316 to be backported?
2019-06-30 16:17:03	mpickering	not for 8.8.1 but yes for 8.8.2
2019-06-30 16:18:30	wz1000	when in 8.8.1 going to land?
2019-06-30 16:19:08	mpickering	hopefully very soon
2019-06-30 16:20:06	wz1000	and if stuff goes according to plan, 8.10 in 6 months from then?
2019-06-30 16:23:59	mpickering	apparently the 8.10 fork is start of august
2019-06-30 16:24:08	mpickering	the 8.8 release cycle is months behind again
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2019-06-30 17:25:20	wz1000	mpickering: validate failed because the hyperlinker output has changed, but I can't figure out how to get haddockHypsrcTest to run
2019-06-30 17:25:46	wz1000	when I try to run it with hadrian, it says it was skipped because of missing libraries
2019-06-30 17:28:38	mpickering	ah right, for some reason you need to set the option which also builds documentation
2019-06-30 17:28:49	mpickering	alp helped me with this
2019-06-30 17:30:55	mpickering	Try building the `docs` target
2019-06-30 17:33:26	wz1000	hmm
2019-06-30 17:33:28	wz1000	(/usr/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/fontspec/fontspec.cfg)))kpathsea:make_tex: Invalid filename `DejaVu Sans', contains ' '
2019-06-30 17:33:33	wz1000	! Package fontspec Error: The font "DejaVu Sans" cannot be found.
2019-06-30 17:34:45	mpickering	`--docs=no-sphinx`
2019-06-30 18:02:11	wz1000	its pretty annoying having to build haddocks for everything just to run a single test
2019-06-30 18:05:35	mpickering	yes it is
2019-06-30 18:05:43	mpickering	however I didn't feel like it was so annoying to fix it
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2019-07-01 11:19:57	pie_	saw some reddit posts about ghc having hie files now or something, nice to see things progressing :DDD
2019-07-01 11:20:11	 *	pie_ still needs to set up a proper editor environment
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2019-07-01 15:07:29	wz1000	https://github.com/chrisdone/intero/issues/630#issuecomment-507188343
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2019-07-01 15:11:58	mpickering	wz1000: I am thinking it is a bit of a problem that you have to use a specific version of GHC to read HIE files
2019-07-01 15:12:14	mpickering	You will still have to build wrapper scripts for every version of GHC you want to support
2019-07-01 15:13:41	wz1000	so move to a CBOR like encoding like was originally planned?
2019-07-01 15:15:39	mpickering	I don't think `Binary` in particular is a problem? but the problem is that you have types in hie files which come from the GHC API?
2019-07-01 15:24:19	wz1000	how would we deal with changes to the format in that case?
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2019-07-01 15:25:36	wz1000	I think a simple solution could be to have a small library that rexports readHieFileWithVersion, but constrained with known good versions
2019-07-01 15:25:48	wz1000	for any particular version of GHC
2019-07-01 15:26:48	wz1000	And it could be automatically generated by testing for roundtrips/deserialization failure across some suitably large set of .hs files
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2019-07-01 15:31:45	mpickering	You mean changes in GHC? 
2019-07-01 15:32:11	mpickering	How does this get around the problem that you have to build your application with every different version of GHC you have to support?
2019-07-01 15:34:14	wz1000	you only have to build with a GHC version that is .hie file compatible with the files you want to read
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2019-07-01 16:18:32	mpickering	wz1000: Every major release will not be compatible
2019-07-01 16:24:18	wz1000	why is that?
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2019-07-01 16:32:06	wz1000	and inevitably, there will be incompatibilities when the format itself changes
2019-07-01 16:36:44	mpickering	yes but not tied to which compiler you use
2019-07-01 16:37:02	mpickering	because you have to assume that every GHC release changes something
2019-07-01 16:37:04	mpickering	the churn is very high
2019-07-01 16:37:17	mpickering	and it's not a very predicatable sitation to be in
2019-07-01 16:37:40	mpickering	"If you compile the library with 8.4.2 it will work with 8.4.3 and 8.6.1 but not 8.6.2"
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2019-07-01 17:01:08	michaelpj	I wonder if a good solution to this would be teaching cabal about dev-dependencies. Other language package managers have this, and it's very handy for installing tools that you need for working on the project that are written in the project language. And then cabal can handle building a version that's compatible with the version of ghc that you have
2019-07-01 17:32:10	mpickering	michaelpj: That seems like a good solution
2019-07-01 17:34:39	wz1000	I think stack has something like this
2019-07-01 17:40:49	mpickering	Is that `--copy-compiler-tool`?
2019-07-01 17:42:25	wz1000	yes
2019-07-01 17:44:01	michaelpj	you'd probably also need a way to actually get the dev-dependencies on the path, something like the `cabal shell` that's been discussed. `cabal dev-shell`, perhaps
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2019-07-01 19:19:37	jose_zap	alanz are you around by any chance? :)
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2019-07-02 00:13:32	jose_zap	just read this https://neilmitchell.blogspot.com/2019/07/thoughts-for-haskell-ide.html
2019-07-02 00:13:45	jose_zap	does anyone know what the overall plan is?
2019-07-02 00:18:24	wz1000	I not sure there is one
2019-07-02 00:20:26	jose_zap	should we maybe open a ticket to start the discussion?
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2019-07-02 01:17:29	alanz	jose_zap, wz1000 What I understood from ndm, when we spoke a while back, is he would write a blog post and it would kick off discussion
2019-07-02 01:17:49	wz1000	that is the blog post i'm pretty sure
2019-07-02 01:18:03	alanz	And if we collectively decided that it makes sense, and the license / CLA is sane, then we can see about taking it foward
2019-07-02 01:18:10	alanz	and yes, that is the post
2019-07-02 01:18:40	alanz	But I am very constrained for time at the moment, so can't participate in any of this stuff properly at the moment
2019-07-02 01:19:04	alanz	So yes, please make a ticket, for the discussion.
2019-07-02 02:05:59	jose_zap	alanz do you think you would have some time for releasing a new version of haskell-lsp?
2019-07-02 02:06:10	jose_zap	or perhaps grant me the rights to do it
2019-07-02 02:07:18	alanz	jose_zap, lukelau and wz1000 can do it, or what is your github handle?
2019-07-02 02:07:30	jose_zap	my handle is lorenzo
2019-07-02 02:07:37	alanz	And there needs to be a hie one too
2019-07-02 02:07:45	alanz	thanks, just checking
2019-07-02 02:08:02	jose_zap	yeah, and one for haskell-lsp-test
2019-07-02 02:08:10	jose_zap	I have all changes ready to be pushed
2019-07-02 02:08:26	alanz	you will have to ask lukelau for that, its his repo
2019-07-02 02:08:37	jose_zap	got the invitation, thanks!
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2019-07-02 02:44:50	jose_zap	alanz can you also add me as maintainer in hackage?
2019-07-02 02:44:57	jose_zap	so I can publish the package
2019-07-02 02:47:29	alanz	jose_zap, what is your hackage name? also lorenzo?
2019-07-02 02:47:37	jose_zap	yes
2019-07-02 02:47:58	alanz	ok. It will be for haskell-lsp and (-types)
2019-07-02 02:48:16	jose_zap	perfect!
2019-07-02 02:48:21	alanz	make sure you bump the version number appropriately, better to bump too hard than not enough
2019-07-02 02:48:42	alanz	and confirm on https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/ng/ that it builds ok
2019-07-02 02:49:32	jose_zap	I already pushed tag 0.15.0.0
2019-07-02 02:49:58	alanz	great
2019-07-02 02:50:01	alanz	added to both
2019-07-02 02:50:02	jose_zap	will publish the package now
2019-07-02 02:50:10	alanz	and haskell-lsp-test?
2019-07-02 02:50:38	jose_zap	need to talk to lukelau to get me access to it
2019-07-02 02:51:01	jose_zap	I will send him a PR once I get lsp to hackage
2019-07-02 02:51:29	alanz	ok, please check that it builds ok against your new release first, it should have tight bounds on haskell-lsp, so should be fine
2019-07-02 02:52:15	jose_zap	will do, thanks for the pointers
2019-07-02 02:53:48	alanz	I guess we need to add a RELEASE.md (or whatever) to the repos
2019-07-02 02:53:55	alanz	documenting this stuff
2019-07-02 02:54:23	jose_zap	we have a CHANGELOG.md
2019-07-02 02:54:38	jose_zap	I changed it to contain a summary of the changes since last release
2019-07-02 02:54:49	jose_zap	oh, you mean a doc with steps to release?
2019-07-02 02:55:32	jose_zap	My recommendation would be to automate it, in my experience manual release processes are error prone and also prevent frequent release cycles
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2019-07-02 12:31:13	wz1000	mpickering: we also need to figure out how to distribute .hie files for boot libraries
2019-07-02 12:32:51	mpickering	Make a ticket 
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2019-07-02 13:42:54	mpickering	wz1000: The problem with this release is that it's still prepared with `make` so modifying the build system is harder
2019-07-02 13:43:03	mpickering	for the next release hopefully it's prepared with hadrian
2019-07-02 13:43:09	mpickering	so the hie files can easily be included
2019-07-02 13:43:25	mpickering	however, we can just generate a set of hie files ourselves and distribute them for the 8.8 release
2019-07-02 13:44:44	wz1000	yes, thats what I meant
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2019-07-02 13:46:17	mpickering	I can add an option to hadrian to generate hie files if you like?
2019-07-02 13:51:35	wz1000	sounds good. It would also be nice if they were organised according to the libarary. Eg base goes in hiefiles/base, containers goes in hiefiles/containers and so on
2019-07-02 13:51:55	wz1000	Also, there should be a way to exclude non library code like Main.hs
2019-07-02 13:52:15	wz1000	*library
2019-07-02 13:53:41	wz1000	ideally, there would be standarised url to get hie files for the boot libraries of any version of the compiler
2019-07-02 13:54:29	wz1000	Then we can add an command to hiedb that downloads them for the version of the compiler it was built with
2019-07-02 13:59:08	mpickering	🤔 seems like a good idea in general, a cache for .hie files so you don't have to build them locally yourself
2019-07-02 14:13:45	wz1000	yes, but it is a necessity for boot libraries - it is at least possible to build the rest yourself
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2019-07-02 21:04:25	jose_zap	lukelau https://github.com/bubba/lsp-test/pull/42
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2019-07-03 12:15:41	wz1000	I found the greatest thing ever: https://github.com/MSPaintIDE/MSPaintIDE
2019-07-03 12:15:50	wz1000	It has LSP support too apparently
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2019-07-03 14:42:00	lukelau_	dxld: woops, sorry I missed that 
2019-07-03 14:43:03	lukelau_	I guess ultimately I would like the types breakdown in the heap profile to only contain types in my component/package
2019-07-03 14:43:37	lukelau_	Or if I could specify a cost center annotation for the type to manually do it
2019-07-03 14:43:41	dxld	uuh
2019-07-03 14:43:47	dxld	I wasn't pinging you for that :)
2019-07-03 14:44:14	dxld	did you see the hie-core discussion on reddit?
2019-07-03 14:44:15	lukelau_	Woops
2019-07-03 14:44:17	lukelau_	Whats up
2019-07-03 14:44:27	dxld	I was just wondering what your take is on that whole thing
2019-07-03 14:44:34	lukelau_	I quickly glanced at the blog post
2019-07-03 14:44:58	dxld	well I am highly sceptical of the way they're doing this whole thing 
2019-07-03 14:45:26	dxld	now I'm being told it's neccesary because refactoring the overall architecture is 'hard'
2019-07-03 14:45:38	dxld	and I call bullshit but I'm not so familiar with HIE's internals yet
2019-07-03 14:45:43	lukelau_	is this the "thoughts for a haskell IDE" post?
2019-07-03 14:45:55	dxld	but how hard could 5000 sloc be to refactor, this is haskell god damn it!
2019-07-03 14:45:59	dxld	yeah
2019-07-03 14:46:17	dxld	the discussion is quite long
2019-07-03 14:46:24	dxld	I was hoping you'd seen it already
2019-07-03 14:46:31	dxld	didn't want to make you read all that now
2019-07-03 14:46:51	dxld	the interesting part is under chrisdone's reply
2019-07-03 14:49:12	lukelau_	What part of HIE are we talking about refactoring here?
2019-07-03 14:49:29	dxld	well they have this whole new shake based architecture, right
2019-07-03 14:49:39	dxld	so essentially the parts that touch the ghc api
2019-07-03 14:49:42	lukelau_	Yes
2019-07-03 14:50:27	dxld	I mean maybe they have more interesting improvements in the lsp bits too but they sure aren't saying anything about that
2019-07-03 14:50:33	lukelau_	I don't think it makes sense to re-do the "frontend" of hie, as for the "backend" I'm not qualified enough to answer
2019-07-03 14:50:41	dxld	I just hate this whole: let's rewrite it and do a code drop mentality
2019-07-03 14:51:00	dxld	well for the backend I'm pretty sure it's insane :)
2019-07-03 14:51:37	lukelau_	And by the backend we're talking about ghc-mod?
2019-07-03 14:51:43	dxld	ish
2019-07-03 14:52:21	dxld	all that nasty code we were looking at at zurihac really
2019-07-03 14:52:41	dxld	everything that's concerned with TCMs and such
2019-07-03 14:52:53	dxld	I guess I'm not really sure about the middle part actually
2019-07-03 14:53:25	dxld	like where lsp and ghc come together
2019-07-03 14:53:40	dxld	how much ad-hoc nastiness is in there is the question
2019-07-03 14:53:49	wz1000	I've glanced through all the hie-core source
2019-07-03 14:53:51	lukelau_	Either way I presume that the backend is going to be shaken up a fair bit whether it's hie-bios/hie-core/ghc-mod once HIE files are added
2019-07-03 14:53:59	dxld	and is it worth it to replace the entire back end with shake +ghc rewrite stuff just to make that nicer
2019-07-03 14:54:06	wz1000	doesn't seem like they are doing anything fundamentaly new or interesting other than the shake stuff
2019-07-03 14:54:25	dxld	ok
2019-07-03 14:55:06	dxld	what's you're guy's take on the whole tried-and-true vs experimental argument?
2019-07-03 14:56:27	dxld	I'm really quite wary about their rewriting of stuff downstream, I know from experience that that's a bad idea (<cough>ghc-mod</cough>) but I dunno maybe I have too many scars
2019-07-03 14:57:05	wz1000	yeah, even I think the best approach is to get the stuff we need into ghc
2019-07-03 14:57:49	lukelau_	upstream always
2019-07-03 14:57:57	dxld	upstream first
2019-07-03 14:58:31	dxld	or you'll just get a promise to do it later, which will never happen :p
2019-07-03 15:00:21	dxld	so if alanz also sees things this way I guess we can say the hie core team is against it?
2019-07-03 15:02:42	dxld	lukelau_: about the other thing: I was also kind of hoping that sticking an {-#SCC#-} onto a datatype declaration would just work
2019-07-03 15:02:46	dxld	but alas :)
2019-07-03 15:03:28	dxld	I think you can filter by module already though, so to get "only my component" you'd just have to construct a huge cmdline that includes all your modulenames
2019-07-03 15:03:37	dxld	(maybe; if they support more than one module name)
2019-07-03 15:03:51	lukelau_	Yeah I was very optimistic about that! Do you know how in general it decides to stop breaking down types?
2019-07-03 15:04:01	dxld	how do you mean?
2019-07-03 15:04:07	dxld	it doesn't "stop"
2019-07-03 15:04:10	dxld	it never starts :p
2019-07-03 15:04:34	lukelau_	Hmm maybe I've got the wrong mental model
2019-07-03 15:04:37	dxld	what I mean is everything is just heap-object
2019-07-03 15:04:46	dxld	s/just/just per-/
2019-07-03 15:05:01	dxld	so when you ask for break-down by types (-hy)
2019-07-03 15:05:13	lukelau_	And the types shown in the heap profile don't include the other objects that it refers to?
2019-07-03 15:05:20	dxld	all it does is visit every heap object and look at the info table which has the type
2019-07-03 15:05:32	dxld	and then count that into a histogram bin
2019-07-03 15:05:42	dxld	nope
2019-07-03 15:05:51	dxld	just that one heap object
2019-07-03 15:05:59	dxld	so if you see like '[]'
2019-07-03 15:06:13	dxld	then that's every heap object that has type []
2019-07-03 15:06:26	dxld	so every list node, but not the content of the list
2019-07-03 15:06:28	lukelau_	Oh ok, I had assumed it was some hierarchical thing
2019-07-03 15:06:33	dxld	say you have 1:2:3:[]
2019-07-03 15:06:35	lukelau_	That makes a lot more sense
2019-07-03 15:07:08	dxld	then you'd have 4 heap objects of `:: []`
2019-07-03 15:07:13	dxld	and 3 of `:: Int`
2019-07-03 15:07:30	dxld	(if I'm counting that right :)
2019-07-03 15:07:55	dxld	and then it'll get the actual size of those objects on the heap and sum that up into the respective bin
2019-07-03 15:08:08	dxld	but that size is only for that one node
2019-07-03 15:08:19	dxld	not anything beyond a pointer
2019-07-03 15:08:56	dxld	they do it this way because any other thing is hard to do :)
2019-07-03 15:09:32	dxld	(and needs extra state per-object to keep track of the pointer following)
2019-07-03 15:11:25	lukelau_	By the way is there a place for discoursing more general Haskell ides/tooling than here and #ghc-mod? Something like a shared forum between here and the hie-core/intero people?
2019-07-03 15:11:37	dxld	not really
2019-07-03 15:11:45	dxld	there is the haskell discourse though
2019-07-03 15:11:50	dxld	we could get cozy there maybe
2019-07-03 15:12:01	lukelau_	There's a Haskell discourse?
2019-07-03 15:12:08	dxld	https://discourse.haskell.org/
2019-07-03 15:12:09	dxld	mhm
2019-07-03 15:12:14	dxld	it's fairly new, don't panic
2019-07-03 15:12:18	dxld	:)
2019-07-03 15:12:39	dxld	we'd first have to get the other guys on there though
2019-07-03 15:12:50	dxld	mainly this sort of thing happens on reddit
2019-07-03 15:12:57	lukelau_	So I've noticed
2019-07-03 15:13:02	dxld	which sucks
2019-07-03 15:13:16	dxld	because reddit won't even give non posters comment notifications
2019-07-03 15:13:38	dxld	so I have to O(n) scan the entire thread each time the comment counter changes >_<
2019-07-03 15:14:18	lukelau_	A mailing list/discourse category might be better?
2019-07-03 15:14:33	dxld	I guess we can start a discussion about that on reddit :P
2019-07-03 15:14:54	dxld	uuuh
2019-07-03 15:15:04	dxld	they even have the github login integration on the discourse
2019-07-03 15:15:21	dxld	if they get gitlab sso too then nobody has an excuse not to be on there ;)
2019-07-03 15:15:30	lukelau_	haha
2019-07-03 15:15:40	dxld	not sure who is responsible for the discourse though
2019-07-03 15:15:53	dxld	and right now it doens't really have project specific categories
2019-07-03 15:15:59	dxld	or well, subecosystem specific
2019-07-03 15:16:44	dxld	https://discourse.haskell.org/t/how-to-propose-new-categories/299/2
2019-07-03 15:16:46	dxld	hmm
2019-07-03 15:22:46	wz1000	dxld: btw, most of the code that interacts with ghc in HIE is in here: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Ghc.hs
2019-07-03 15:23:42	wz1000	And the bits of HIE that could be replaced with Shake are in these two files:
2019-07-03 15:23:46	wz1000	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/GhcModuleCache.hs
2019-07-03 15:23:51	wz1000	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/ModuleCache.hs
2019-07-03 15:24:23	wz1000	along with necessary modifications to the plugins to use the new API, whatever it is
2019-07-03 15:25:14	jose_zap	I think the hie-core idea is worth exploring further and should not be dismissed this quickly
2019-07-03 15:26:32	dxld	I think so too!
2019-07-03 15:26:37	dxld	but not in hie
2019-07-03 15:26:42	dxld	but rather upstream in GHC
2019-07-03 15:26:43	jose_zap	the idea of delegating caching to shake is interesting, as is the the ergonomics of writing a plugin as a "recipe"
2019-07-03 15:27:20	wz1000	yes, I find that idea worth exploring too
2019-07-03 15:27:21	jose_zap	would GHC adopt shake? (or has it already?)
2019-07-03 15:27:42	wz1000	What I think dxld is opposed to is rewriting ghc --make in HIE/hie-core
2019-07-03 15:27:43	dxld	ghc's module chasing and recomp checking code is a horror show, it's been ripe for replacing for a while now
2019-07-03 15:27:52	dxld	exactly
2019-07-03 15:27:59	dxld	it's just the wrong way to go about this
2019-07-03 15:28:15	dxld	they proved an ide can be implemeted with this shake based approach, awesome
2019-07-03 15:28:43	dxld	but let's get the necessary bits to use this in HIE into ghc instead of hacking around downstream
2019-07-03 15:29:21	jose_zap	dxld do you think that's feasible? That does sound to me like the best approach
2019-07-03 15:29:30	dxld	yes I belive so
2019-07-03 15:29:45	dxld	this is not the first time someone has tried to marry shake with ghc
2019-07-03 15:29:53	dxld	ezyang has done it also
2019-07-03 15:30:02	jose_zap	one downside is that as anything involving upstream, it takes considerably more time, but sounds like time worth waiting for
2019-07-03 15:30:03	dxld	I think that was called ghc-shake or shake-ghc or something
2019-07-03 15:30:15	dxld	so obviosly this approach is good for more than just the ide use case
2019-07-03 15:30:20	dxld	so I say let's go for it
2019-07-03 15:30:39	dxld	that's what I'm thinking, why do we need this right now?
2019-07-03 15:30:45	dxld	HIE will work without it for now
2019-07-03 15:30:52	dxld	so what's the rush?
2019-07-03 15:31:05	dxld	I don't see a reason not to do this properly upstream
2019-07-03 15:31:37	jose_zap	that's a fair point... at this moment hie-core is more change for the sake of change as it is not bringing a tangible benefit if we implemented it today in hie
2019-07-03 15:31:55	michaelpj	I assume the hie-core folks are getting some benefit from it otherwise they wouldn't have written it
2019-07-03 15:32:12	michaelpj	and I suspect they need it right now, so that explains why they're doing it downstream
2019-07-03 15:32:39	michaelpj	whether for hie proper it's worth taking their stuff or waiting for the eventual upstreaming is less clear
2019-07-03 15:32:39	dxld	yeah, they're using it for their daml ide
2019-07-03 15:32:54	michaelpj	it would be nice to know what they found so critically lacking that they wrote this stuff
2019-07-03 15:33:26	dxld	I think it's just a matter of polish
2019-07-03 15:33:43	jose_zap	would you be ok if I open a ticket in our repo to discuss this and invite Neil to the conversation?
2019-07-03 15:33:43	dxld	obviosly they want their ide to work well for their customers
2019-07-03 15:33:48	mpickering	they are using shake because their daml stuff produces some other interface files
2019-07-03 15:33:56	dxld	but they have a small easy to control language to deal with
2019-07-03 15:34:00	dxld	not haskell :)
2019-07-03 15:34:12	michaelpj	I think it is pretty much haskell
2019-07-03 15:34:19	mpickering	doing this experimental stuff upstream is not a good idea as it's not clear that it's correct
2019-07-03 15:34:24	mpickering	it's fine for downstream to experiment
2019-07-03 15:34:33	jose_zap	one advantage of reusing their stuff is that they are paid to work full time on this, we can't beat that level of commitment
2019-07-03 15:34:58	dxld	would they actually jump onto hie for their daml stuff too though?
2019-07-03 15:35:05	mpickering	jose_zap: +1
2019-07-03 15:35:26	michaelpj	I think they'd like to use hie
2019-07-03 15:35:35	lukelau_	wz1000: have we tried plugging HIE into mspaintide?
2019-07-03 15:36:23	dxld	michaelpj: re upstream experimentation: at this point this can't really be considered experimentation anymore, I mean they've at least proven it works
2019-07-03 15:36:49	wz1000	lukelau_: no, I don't have a windows machine, so I would leave that to someone else
2019-07-03 15:36:51	michaelpj	I think you're responding to matthew, but I agree with him that this is still experimental
2019-07-03 15:36:52	dxld	so now if this is the way to go why not upstream it?
2019-07-03 15:36:54	mpickering	GHC is not going to add a dependency on shake or an frp library without serious consideration
2019-07-03 15:37:12	michaelpj	"it works for these cases we've tried it on" != "this is solid and can replace a core upstream mechanism"
2019-07-03 15:37:16	dxld	michaelpj: oh yeah, whoops
2019-07-03 15:37:40	wz1000	mpickering: yes, but we can break up ghc --make into a bunch of small library functions that make it easy for shake or frp to recreate it
2019-07-03 15:37:54	mpickering	wz1000: Right but that seems like an entirely different point
2019-07-03 15:37:59	wz1000	with the desired level of incrementality
2019-07-03 15:38:38	mpickering	David posted a GHC proposal about this yesterday
2019-07-03 15:38:40	dxld	wz1000: yeah that is likely not going to work
2019-07-03 15:38:50	dxld	you'd either have to replace the old code outright or not at all
2019-07-03 15:39:16	mpickering	I can see that hie-core could integrate nicely into the h-i-e plugins 
2019-07-03 15:39:32	wz1000	https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/245
2019-07-03 15:40:14	wz1000	mpickering: yes, I think so, as long as you change requests for typemap/namemap etc into the equivalent shake things
2019-07-03 15:42:54	wz1000	But an essential feature hie-core doesn't implement yet, and I would like to see how it looks with shake: Using stale info when the current module doesn't compile
2019-07-03 15:43:24	wz1000	or when we are waiting for something to compile
2019-07-03 15:43:50	dxld	indeed, usually you don't want that situation in a build system
2019-07-03 15:44:04	dxld	so it'd be interesting to see if you can even get shake to let you do that
2019-07-03 15:44:15	dxld	or how to work around it ;)
2019-07-03 15:47:45	dxld	jose_zap: sure go ahead and open a ticket
2019-07-03 15:48:16	dxld	github at least sends everyone notification mails unlike reddit :)
2019-07-03 15:57:15	michaelpj	wz1000: that feature sounds like it fits better into the FRP paradigm, where you usually do show stale data if you haven't got new data yet
2019-07-03 15:58:00	wz1000	michaelpj: yes, mpickering has got me trying to experiment with that
2019-07-03 15:58:24	dxld	do frp libs have fewer dependencies than shake by any chance?
2019-07-03 15:58:42	michaelpj	hahaha
2019-07-03 15:58:58	dxld	just looking at shake and there's quite a few non boot deps there
2019-07-03 15:59:41	dxld	nothing earth shattering though
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2019-07-03 16:07:47	dxld	michaelpj: one can hope :)
2019-07-03 16:08:06	michaelpj	dxld: have a look: https://github.com/reflex-frp/reflex/blob/develop/reflex.cabal#L42
2019-07-03 16:09:20	dxld	not as bad as I expected but yeah
2019-07-03 16:09:35	dxld	I guess we'll just need a ghc-reflex :)
2019-07-03 16:10:05	dxld	I honestly have no idea how much code the core functionality would need
2019-07-03 16:10:08	dxld	any guesses?
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2019-07-03 17:34:08	WilliamHamilton	is there some progress re: using hie with cabal new-build?
2019-07-03 17:41:40	WilliamHamilton	what are the stoppers for that feature?
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2019-07-03 17:48:06	WilliamHamilton	infinisil I used https://github.com/Infinisil/all-hies to install the relevant version of hie on nixos. But emacs says `LSP :: No LSP server for haskell mode`. Is there something I should do to make it visible?
2019-07-03 17:53:13	jose_zap	WilliamHamilton more recent versions of HIE support cabal new-*
2019-07-03 17:53:16	jose_zap	if I remember correctly
2019-07-03 17:55:12	WilliamHamilton	jose_zap oh that's awesome, good to know! I must have missed the announcement
2019-07-03 17:57:12	jose_zap	WilliamHamilton you mean using cabal in your project and not installing hie, right?
2019-07-03 17:57:51	WilliamHamilton	yes indeed, using cabal new-repl for building projects while having hie in emacs
2019-07-03 17:59:46	jose_zap	WilliamHamilton yeah, I think this is the PR that made that possible https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/927
2019-07-03 18:00:32	WilliamHamilton	perfect, now I only have to make emacs recognize it
2019-07-03 18:16:26	WilliamHamilton	nevermind, emacs recognises it, and I get an error to the tune of:
2019-07-03 18:16:42	WilliamHamilton	``` First.hs     1   1 error           ghcmod: readCreateProcess: /nix/store/s51mvq5dbfc5m8f3b6xq2f5cazq66lhg-cabal-helper-0.9.0.0/bin/cabal-helper-wrapper "--with-ghc=ghc" "--with-ghc-pkg=ghc-pkg" "--with-cabal=cabal" "v1-style" "/home/carlo/code/haskell/first" "/home/carlo/code/haskell/first/dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.6.5/first-0.1.0.
2019-07-03 18:16:42	WilliamHamilton	0" "package-db-stack" "flags" "compiler-version" "ghc-merged-pkg-options" "config-flags" "non-default-config-flags" "ghc-src-options" "ghc-pkg-options" "ghc-lang-options" "ghc-options" "source-dirs" "entrypoints" "needs-build-output" (exit 1): failed```
2019-07-03 18:18:27	jose_zap	I remember there were problem with nix
2019-07-03 18:19:41	jose_zap	possibly this https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1006
2019-07-03 18:20:49	WilliamHamilton	in my case though it's not even working for the files in `src`
2019-07-03 18:22:46	WilliamHamilton	I _think_ the error here might have to do with the fact that the invocation seem to be made for `cabal v1-style`
2019-07-03 18:26:59	jose_zap	I wonder if it gets confused and cannot find the cabal.project file
2019-07-03 18:27:21	WilliamHamilton	wait, there is no `cabal.project` file! Should I have one/
2019-07-03 18:27:22	WilliamHamilton	?
2019-07-03 18:29:50	jose_zap	I believe that is how it detects new-build projects
2019-07-03 18:30:04	jose_zap	I'm no expert in this though, never used cabal new
2019-07-03 18:33:02	jose_zap	WilliamHamilton I keep finding tickets showing that cabal new is not really well supported. Our next hope is waiting for mpickering to finish his hie-bios work
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2019-07-03 18:55:51	infinisil	WilliamHamilton: jose_zap: Ahh, I was getting the same error recently after running new-style commands
2019-07-03 18:55:59	infinisil	I'll try adding a cabal.project file too
2019-07-03 18:56:34	infinisil	But generally I just use old-style builds for my projects because I know that works
2019-07-03 18:57:19	WilliamHamilton	in my case that doesn't seem solved by adding a cabal.project file. Please ping me if that's the case for you infinisil
2019-07-03 18:57:51	infinisil	Hm alright, it probably won't work for me then either
2019-07-03 18:58:07	infinisil	So yeah I suggest just using old-style for the time being
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2019-07-05 14:19:00	WilliamHamilton	hi, is anyone using hie with cabal new-build?
2019-07-05 14:26:58	mpickering	WilliamHamilton: It works on my branch...
2019-07-05 14:27:02	mpickering	which isn't merged
2019-07-05 14:27:05	mpickering	and experimental
2019-07-05 14:28:02	mpickering	I don't think master supports new-build at all
2019-07-05 14:28:03	WilliamHamilton	hi mpickering, is it https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine on `master`?
2019-07-05 14:28:26	WilliamHamilton	or some other branch? What are the stoppers to have that branch merged?
2019-07-05 14:28:46	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/tree/hie-bios
2019-07-05 14:28:54	mpickering	The HaRe integration isn't finished
2019-07-05 14:29:06	mpickering	if you use this branch -- you should be prepared to fix things yourself
2019-07-05 14:29:18	mpickering	and expect some things to be broken
2019-07-05 14:30:18	WilliamHamilton	mpickering I might try that, was this the branch which included support for `obelisk` too? I remember an issue opened by you on the matter, I think.
2019-07-05 14:30:33	mpickering	yes indeed, but you need a slightly patched version of obelisk for that
2019-07-05 14:30:47	mpickering	but I have used this branch with obelisk, yes
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2019-07-05 14:31:13	WilliamHamilton	How do you use it in `nix`? I only see a `shell.nix` but not a `default.nix`
2019-07-05 14:31:31	WilliamHamilton	is it particularly slow when you use it with obeiisk?
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2019-07-05 14:33:08	mpickering	No, it's fine, the reason why obelisk was slow was because of a packaging mistake in nixpkgs
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2019-07-05 14:33:34	mpickering	I use `cabal new-build` to build the branch
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2019-07-05 14:34:43	mpickering	and then point `haskell-ide-engine` at the build binary, works fine
2019-07-05 14:36:17	WilliamHamilton	mpickering I'm getting a git error even when doing `git clone --recursive`
2019-07-05 14:36:38	mpickering	what is the error?
2019-07-05 14:36:38	WilliamHamilton	error: Server does not allow request for unadvertised object 1a4a721cfd6843311af518cdac735b03105bb8b8Fetched in submodule path 'haskell-lsp', but it did not contain 1a4a721cfd6843311af518cdac735b03105bb8b8. Direct fetching of that commit failed.
2019-07-05 14:36:56	mpickering	ok, which branch are you on?
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2019-07-05 14:37:31	WilliamHamilton	that should be master, I planned to switch later to `hie-bios`
2019-07-05 14:37:47	mpickering	does cloning hie-bios directly work?
2019-07-05 14:39:16	mpickering	`git clone --branch hie-bios`
2019-07-05 14:39:19	WilliamHamilton	mpickering yep `git clone --recursive https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine --branch hie-bios` worked
2019-07-05 14:39:28	mpickering	good...
2019-07-05 14:40:08	mpickering	do you specifically want to use this on an obsidian project?
2019-07-05 14:40:31	mpickering	You will need my patch to obelisk if you do - https://github.com/mpickering/obelisk
2019-07-05 14:40:54	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/obelisk/commit/67bb8aa7387ceb4785a1bafd1bdff82c5e2b9ded
2019-07-05 14:41:15	mpickering	and be warned, new-build is supported but you have to specify the one component you want to load
2019-07-05 14:41:19	mpickering	loading multiple components doesn't work yet
2019-07-05 14:42:28	WilliamHamilton	for now, I'd just like to see how things work with hie, I never used it, so I'm going to try it on a simple cabal new-style project
2019-07-05 14:42:41	mpickering	ok
2019-07-05 14:42:44	WilliamHamilton	btw doing `nix-shell` and then `cabal new-build` in that gives
2019-07-05 14:43:24	WilliamHamilton	https://pastebin.com/raw/UUH6ELGX
2019-07-05 14:43:47	mpickering	you need to run `cabal new-update
2019-07-05 14:44:15	WilliamHamilton	why is that needed? Aren't all dependencies fetched via nix?
2019-07-05 14:44:28	mpickering	No? Why would that be the case?
2019-07-05 14:45:05	mpickering	`cabal new-build --index-state=2019-06-15T15:15:19Z`
2019-07-05 14:45:15	mpickering	Use that command, after you run `cabal new-update`
2019-07-05 14:46:05	mpickering	then whilst it is building everything, read the README in the `hie-bios` subdirectory about how to configure your project
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2019-07-05 14:47:20	WilliamHamilton	https://pastebin.com/raw/LNatwerK
2019-07-05 14:48:20	WilliamHamilton	2019-06-15T15:08:09Z seems reasonably close, I might try that
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2019-07-05 14:52:30	WilliamHamilton	mpickering `cabal new-build --index-state=2019-06-15T15:15:19Z` gives the error https://pastebin.com/raw/LNatwerK after `cabal new-update`
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2019-07-05 15:09:56	mpickering	WilliamHamilton: looking into it
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2019-07-05 15:12:09	mpickering	WilliamHamilton: I just force pushed
2019-07-05 15:12:16	mpickering	daf0be5c1d109d5f8c465f60d58641972c437c4d
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2019-07-05 15:31:01	WilliamHamilton	mpickering it seems to be building now, thanks!
2019-07-05 15:31:12	mpickering	good luck
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2019-07-05 20:09:12	wz1000	mpickering: any update on my GHC MRs?
2019-07-05 20:11:08	wz1000	I think !1316 and !1317 are fairly inoffensive
2019-07-05 20:11:34	wz1000	they require a patch to the haddock hypSrc tests though
2019-07-05 20:16:26	wz1000	I've got a basic version of https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/master/example/Main.hs ported to reflex btw
2019-07-05 20:17:20	wz1000	But I wonder if reflex is too heavy for the job. Do you have any recommendations for a more lightweight frp library?
2019-07-05 20:36:04	mpickering	Reflex is the only practical one I think
2019-07-05 20:36:11	mpickering	why do you think it's too heavy
2019-07-05 20:36:23	mpickering	nice job, could you share the code at some point?
2019-07-05 20:36:28	mpickering	I will have a look at the mrs now
2019-07-05 20:37:26	mpickering	also the reflex implementation is the most highly tuned
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2019-07-05 22:42:02	wz1000	yeah, I'll put up my code in a bit
2019-07-05 22:42:23	wz1000	mpickering: btw, !1316 will need changes for https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/1271
2019-07-05 22:43:31	wz1000	reflex is too heavy in terms of dependecies
2019-07-05 22:43:41	wz1000	it even depends on haskell-src-exts for some reason
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2019-07-05 22:53:15	wz1000	Also, theres a lot going on in reflex, the api surface is pretty big
2019-07-05 22:54:41	wz1000	reactive-banana, netwire and yampa look a lot more manageable
2019-07-05 22:55:00	wz1000	in terms of both the API and the dependencies
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2019-07-05 23:47:31	mpickering	I don't think they are production ready FRP libraries and are not monadic
2019-07-05 23:50:03	mpickering	It's true it has a lot of dependencies but you only have to compile them once
2019-07-05 23:50:53	mpickering	if you need any help, then I'm here to help you
2019-07-05 23:53:36	mpickering	some documentation for all the different parts of reflex would go a long way
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2019-07-07 21:31:18	wroathe	For some reason HIE seems to be delegating to GHC Mod, which is attempting to configure my project with the legacy cabal configure command
2019-07-07 21:31:21	wroathe	readCreateProcess: cabal "configure" "--with-ghc=ghc" "--flags" "" (exit 1): failed
2019-07-07 21:31:59	wroathe	I'm not sure if GHC Mod supports the new Cabal commands or not, but if so is there a way to force it to use the new style configure?
2019-07-07 22:00:33	wroathe	Yeah, I'm seeing that GhcMod doesn't support the new style commands yet :(. 
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2019-07-08 11:54:53	wz1000	mpickering: here's the thing: https://github.com/wz1000/hie-lsp
2019-07-08 11:55:46	wz1000	its still basically a glorified event loop
2019-07-08 11:58:03	wz1000	I still need to figure out how to make the stuff in LspFuncs work with the frp model
2019-07-08 11:58:04	wz1000	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp-0.15.0.0/docs/Language-Haskell-LSP-Core.html#t:LspFuncs
2019-07-08 11:59:22	wz1000	especially getNextReqId: https://github.com/wz1000/hie-lsp/blob/master/Main.hs#L100
2019-07-08 12:00:09	wz1000	and diagnostics also need to be handled specially
2019-07-08 12:10:46	wz1000	should the nextId thing be a behaviour/dynamic?
2019-07-08 12:13:37	wz1000	probably not, since we could need to make multiple requests at the same instant
2019-07-08 12:14:07	alanz	We seem to be having a thousand flowers blooming in the haskell LSP world :)
2019-07-08 12:16:49	wz1000	I didn't want to work on HIE until 8.8 is released and most of the dependencies are patched
2019-07-08 12:17:30	wz1000	and mpickering wanted me to try out a reflex based model
2019-07-08 12:18:01	wz1000	As of now this does less than lsp-hello
2019-07-08 12:20:47	alanz	wz1000, that's fine, no problem, its good to do alternative implementations as an experimentation exercise
2019-07-08 12:21:12	alanz	And the more modular we make the ecosystem the better for everyone
2019-07-08 12:21:25	alanz	which is bound to happen as we move forward.
2019-07-08 12:21:54	alanz	I am just not in a position now (and for the next while) to give proper input to this stuff
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2019-07-08 12:56:44	mpickering	wz1000: Thanks. You don;t seem to have any dynamics?
2019-07-08 12:57:19	wz1000	no
2019-07-08 12:57:32	wz1000	just an input event and an output event
2019-07-08 12:58:06	wz1000	like I said, its just a glorified event loop at this point
2019-07-08 12:58:35	mpickering	right so you need to make any internal state into dynamics
2019-07-08 12:59:01	wz1000	ok. How does that work for getNextId?
2019-07-08 12:59:21	wz1000	thats an IO LspId provided by haskell-lsp
2019-07-08 12:59:35	mpickering	perhaps this won't work super well with how haskell-lsp is set up
2019-07-08 12:59:57	mpickering	lemme see
2019-07-08 13:01:18	wz1000	also, we need to be able to be able to request multiple LspIds in response to a single event
2019-07-08 13:01:22	wz1000	see https://github.com/wz1000/hie-lsp/blob/master/Main.hs#L116
2019-07-08 13:03:05	wz1000	we can change haskell-lsp to be more modular and agnostic about this kind of stuff
2019-07-08 13:03:41	mpickering	What does the `getNextId` function do? and why is it in `IO`?
2019-07-08 13:03:46	wz1000	also, I guess we can just ignore the haskell-lsp getNextId function and use our own state for keeping track of this stuff
2019-07-08 13:04:19	wz1000	it is basically a counter that returns an LspId and increments its internal state
2019-07-08 13:05:35	wz1000	but there's also the VFS handled implicitly by haskell-lsp
2019-07-08 13:05:37	mpickering	is there any rule about the ids other then they are unique?
2019-07-08 13:05:45	wz1000	no, I don't think so
2019-07-08 13:05:57	mpickering	so we could easily manage that ourselves
2019-07-08 13:06:06	mpickering	there has to be a way to call IO actions from reflex
2019-07-08 13:06:11	mpickering	but I am struggling to see it from the API
2019-07-08 13:06:20	wz1000	as in?
2019-07-08 13:06:26	wz1000	I am calling it 
2019-07-08 13:06:31	wz1000	via performEvent
2019-07-08 13:08:44	wz1000	there's also getVirtualFileFunc in LspFuncs which is a bigger issue. I guess that should be a Dynamic updated whenever the VFS state changes
2019-07-08 13:13:01	mpickering	right
2019-07-08 13:13:26	mpickering	but if the VFS state is held in a dynamic as well
2019-07-08 13:13:34	mpickering	then that update can be triggered automatically
2019-07-08 13:13:53	wz1000	but the VFS state is held in haskell-lsp
2019-07-08 13:14:24	mpickering	gtg to work
2019-07-08 13:14:31	mpickering	I would ask this stuff in #reflex-frp
2019-07-08 13:14:42	mpickering	I can try to help some more later today
2019-07-08 13:14:51	mpickering	but basically, turn state into dynamics
2019-07-08 13:14:51	wz1000	ok, thanks
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2019-07-08 15:45:46	mpickering	dxld: Is this profiler patch finished?
2019-07-08 15:46:30	dxld	the refactoring patch is
2019-07-08 15:46:41	dxld	working on the actual profiling mode now
2019-07-08 15:47:21	dxld	oh right I still have one minor bug to iron out in the refactoring
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2019-07-09 13:38:44	mpickering	wz1000: Are you stuck still or making some progress?
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2019-07-09 16:35:26	dxld	mpickering: do you think I should ping some other people to get a review on the profiler patch? I'm not sure how the notifications on gitlab work and if I have to @mention people explicitly.
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2019-07-09 16:37:13	dxld	I assumed code owners would be pinged automatically when the wip status is removed, but I'm starting to thing that's not the case
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2019-07-09 16:40:15	teto	was hie 0.11 released ?
2019-07-09 16:45:16	infinisil	Ah it apparently was yesterday, i missed that
2019-07-09 16:45:25	infinisil	Will have to update all-hies today then
2019-07-09 17:04:52	mpickering	dxld: I can try to get Omer to review it
2019-07-09 17:06:47	mpickering	Should all the changes just be refactoring?
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2019-07-09 17:14:08	dxld	mpickering: pretty much, the big behavioral changes I still have pending locally
2019-07-09 17:15:29	fendor	teto, yes
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2019-07-10 21:15:33	dxld	mpickering: ping
2019-07-10 21:16:02	mpickering	hi dxld 
2019-07-10 21:16:04	mpickering	I have to go shortly
2019-07-10 21:19:07	dxld	I just wanted to ask if you know where to look for that eventlog heap sample stuff
2019-07-10 21:19:29	dxld	I keep hearing about that and I just don't see it anywhere in the code, is that in a branch somewhere or am I just blind?
2019-07-10 21:20:12	mpickering	dxld: It's in `ProfHeap.c`
2019-07-10 21:20:17	dxld	(or did I get that entirely wrong and it only emits time samples?)
2019-07-10 21:20:29	mpickering	It only emits heap sampels
2019-07-10 21:20:52	mpickering	look for `traceHeapProfSample`
2019-07-10 21:21:09	mpickering	btw I have got Ben's `ghc-debug` mostly working
2019-07-10 21:21:13	dxld	ah
2019-07-10 21:21:18	dxld	cool
2019-07-10 21:21:44	dxld	soon all my profiler work will be obsolete :)
2019-07-10 21:21:57	mpickering	well it remains to be seen how fast doing a heap traversal using this is
2019-07-10 21:22:00	mpickering	it could be very very slow
2019-07-10 21:22:04	dxld	true
2019-07-10 21:22:30	mpickering	but I want to use it for the stuff we were doing in Zurich
2019-07-10 21:22:34	mpickering	which is will be perfect for
2019-07-10 21:22:43	dxld	ugh, so it looks like I either have to copy&paste the code that emits the samples in ProfHeap or generalise that stuff too :(
2019-07-10 21:22:54	dxld	leak finding?
2019-07-10 21:23:15	mpickering	yes, what are you trying to do?
2019-07-10 21:23:28	mpickering	I have a branch where I added the samples for the retainer profiler
2019-07-10 21:23:37	mpickering	and biographical profiler but the biographical profiler ones don't work
2019-07-10 21:23:42	dxld	well my profiling mode is essentially another toplevel one like ProfHeap
2019-07-10 21:23:43	mpickering	because all the samples are output at the end
2019-07-10 21:23:54	dxld	so it doesn't really make sense to stick it in ProfHeap
2019-07-10 21:24:00	mpickering	ok sure
2019-07-10 21:24:10	dxld	I mean I could
2019-07-10 21:24:28	dxld	it would just mean even more if(thisEnabled){}else{} blah
2019-07-10 21:24:51	dxld	the combination of heap+retainer is already bad enough
2019-07-10 21:25:04	dxld	and my code would basically want almost everything turned off anyways
2019-07-10 21:26:26	mpickering	I don't think anyone will object
2019-07-10 21:26:35	mpickering	this big refactoring patch is a bit hard to review though
2019-07-10 21:26:36	dxld	the sample emiting isnt really so bad
2019-07-10 21:26:43	dxld	I'm annoyed by having to copy the init code
2019-07-10 21:27:05	dxld	(especially since I just removed some duplication in that area)
2019-07-10 21:27:21	dxld	so maybe I'll just factor out the init stuff and call it a day
2019-07-10 21:27:43	dxld	how is it hard to review? just review the individual commits :)
2019-07-10 21:28:56	dxld	is anyone even looking at it?
2019-07-10 21:29:22	dxld	I'm happy to split it up some more or explain things better to make it easier
2019-07-10 21:30:53	dxld	oh also I have a script now that builds all the individual commits in turn, so looking for build problems shouldn't be needed
2019-07-10 21:30:57	dxld	maybe I should say that..
2019-07-10 21:31:46	mpickering	dxld: Can you comment on it asking Omer (osa1) if he can review it?
2019-07-10 21:31:50	mpickering	He's the most qualified here
2019-07-10 21:32:40	dxld	I'd like to get simon to look too
2019-07-10 21:32:49	dxld	since he wrote the code originally I think?
2019-07-10 21:33:10	mpickering	but he is too paged out now
2019-07-10 21:33:12	dxld	hmm actually I'm not sure about that nvm
2019-07-10 21:33:22	mpickering	He did write it but can't remember any of the details
2019-07-10 21:33:26	dxld	kk
2019-07-10 21:33:28	dxld	:)
2019-07-10 21:33:39	dxld	well it's really just about all the #ifdefed out debug code
2019-07-10 21:33:42	mpickering	So ask Omer yourself on the MR
2019-07-10 21:33:45	mpickering	then say that
2019-07-10 21:33:51	dxld	I have no idea what that did once upon a time
2019-07-10 21:33:54	mpickering	The more you can direct the reviewer the better
2019-07-10 21:34:02	dxld	all I know is it doesn't build or make any sense with how the code is now
2019-07-10 21:34:17	dxld	I do say that in the relevant commit messages
2019-07-10 21:34:32	mpickering	yeah but say it in the MR comment where you ping Omer
2019-07-10 21:37:07	dxld	whoops, too late
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2019-07-11 01:11:00	ThomasCook	Hello
2019-07-11 01:13:58	ThomasCook	I use Kotlin in my day to day activities at work but have been learning Haskell slowly in my spare time for a year now. I'd like to contribute to an open source repository, is there anything I could help out with?
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2019-07-12 01:46:34	wroathe	So I installed hie through the install.hs script mentioned in the README using stack
2019-07-12 01:46:56	wroathe	And it looks like hie has it's own fork of cabal helper that it depends on
2019-07-12 01:47:10	wroathe	And a routine in that is looking for cabal-helper-wrapper on my filesystem
2019-07-12 01:47:19	wroathe	and erroring because it can't find it
2019-07-12 01:47:48	wroathe	Shouldn't that have been installed as part of the hie installation?
2019-07-12 01:48:23	dxld	indeed it should
2019-07-12 01:49:12	wroathe	It's spitting out hie-8.6.5: Could not find $libexecdir/cabal-helper-wrapper
2019-07-12 01:49:35	wroathe	find ~/ -name 'cabal-helper-wrapper' spits out
2019-07-12 01:49:40	wroathe	/Users/wroathe//.stack/snapshots/x86_64-osx/77aaa89328dfbe96ccd03fd78aefd82c9c0a014691166c7a4b8d5c580050a3cd/8.4.3/libexec/x86_64-osx-ghc-8.4.3/cabal-helper-0.8.2.0/cabal-helper-wrapper
2019-07-12 01:50:12	dxld	that's the value of $libexecdir, the error message should say further down
2019-07-12 01:50:18	dxld	s/that/what/
2019-07-12 01:50:42	wroathe	So I guess $libexecdir isn't being set correctly to /Users/wroathe//.stack/snapshots/x86_64-osx/77aaa89328dfbe96ccd03fd78aefd82c9c0a014691166c7a4b8d5c580050a3cd/8.4.3/libexec/x86_64-osx-ghc-8.4.3/cabal-helper-0.8.2.0/
2019-07-12 01:50:46	wroathe	at install time?
2019-07-12 01:51:18	dxld	hm? no that $libexecdir variable you pasted earlier is spit out in the error message too
2019-07-12 01:51:26	dxld	just on the next line or something
2019-07-12 01:51:45	dxld	oh nvm
2019-07-12 01:52:27	wroathe	https://gist.github.com/JustinChristensen/30b6c577755cfc13260d712226820fe5
2019-07-12 01:52:33	wroathe	Oh, I think I see what's going on
2019-07-12 01:52:55	wroathe	It's pointing to the .stack-work directory that was in the cloned repo directory as I was installing it
2019-07-12 01:53:06	wroathe	Rather than my actual stack directory
2019-07-12 01:53:27	wroathe	At the time I just cloned down the repo and ran stack ./install.hs hie-8.6.5
2019-07-12 01:53:35	wroathe	Maybe further install config is needed?
2019-07-12 01:54:17	dxld	I'm not intimately familiar with install.hs so I dunno
2019-07-12 01:54:35	dxld	but certainly if this is to have any chance at working it would have to not install into .stack-work :)
2019-07-12 01:55:26	wroathe	Yeah, I'm going to re-clone the repo and see what I can find out
2019-07-12 01:55:34	dxld	but it's also entirely possible that we just don't support removing the repo atm ;)
2019-07-12 01:56:33	dxld	the readme doesn't seem to say anything to that effect though..
2019-07-12 01:57:20	dxld	I don't think there's any way to force stack to install stuff into it's global dir though
2019-07-12 01:57:23	wroathe	I'm guessing most people just use that environment variable and point it to a random cabal helper wrapper on their system
2019-07-12 01:57:31	dxld	(for non-hackage packages anyways)
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2019-07-12 01:57:41	wroathe	Rather than figuring out why this is happening to begin with
2019-07-12 01:57:47	dxld	hehe or they just leave the build dir alone
2019-07-12 01:57:59	wroathe	Which isn't great
2019-07-12 01:58:07	dxld	fear not, I swear next week I'm upgrading hie to cabal-helper-1.0
2019-07-12 01:58:14	dxld	does away with all this wrapper shite
2019-07-12 01:58:27	wroathe	Sweet
2019-07-12 02:00:51	wroathe	Why did you guys decide to fork cabal helper?
2019-07-12 02:00:54	wroathe	Is that just temporary?
2019-07-12 02:01:28	dxld	I didn't fork nothing, I wrote cabal-helper ;)
2019-07-12 02:01:41	dxld	and protested about the forking, but eh
2019-07-12 02:02:06	dxld	it was a stopgap measure to get some semblance of new-build support
2019-07-12 02:02:07	wroathe	Oh, you're DanielG?
2019-07-12 02:02:10	dxld	mhm
2019-07-12 02:03:12	wroathe	From an outsider's perspective it seems like there's something very very heavy and complicated and potentially wrong with the way Cabal is structured
2019-07-12 02:03:32	dxld	how so?
2019-07-12 02:04:05	wroathe	I've just never run into this many problems trying to get a dev environment set up for other languages I've worked with
2019-07-12 02:04:16	dxld	hmm
2019-07-12 02:04:23	wroathe	C#, Ruby, PHP, Node
2019-07-12 02:04:28	dxld	I wouldn't really blame cabal for that
2019-07-12 02:04:36	wroathe	Java
2019-07-12 02:04:58	wroathe	brb
2019-07-12 02:04:59	dxld	it's actually quite good given how many (few) people work on it
2019-07-12 02:05:19	dxld	and that's just the problem, intrastructure is boring
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2019-07-12 02:23:17	wroathe	dxld: Yeah, that was it. I guess I can't delete the build directory :S
2019-07-12 02:23:25	wroathe	Everything is working now
2019-07-12 02:25:08	dxld	neat
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2019-07-12 22:42:25	wz1000	alanz, lukelau_ : ping
2019-07-12 22:44:25	alanz	wz1000, pong
2019-07-12 22:44:54	wz1000	I was looking at this code: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Core.hs#L840
2019-07-12 22:45:14	wz1000	specifically the ones that look like completionProvider o, signatureHelpProvider o etc.
2019-07-12 22:45:23	alanz	yes?
2019-07-12 22:45:30	wz1000	The `o` is the options we get from the client
2019-07-12 22:45:47	alanz	The idea is to return that they are supported, if the handler is filled in
2019-07-12 22:45:53	wz1000	and this bit is supposed to advertise the capabilities of the client
2019-07-12 22:45:55	alanz	i.e. it can process those messages.
2019-07-12 22:46:17	wz1000	alanz: yes, thats right. But we only check for the handler when use `supported`.
2019-07-12 22:46:31	wz1000	In the ones where there is no `supported`, we just pass back the user options
2019-07-12 22:46:39	wz1000	which is wrong, no?
2019-07-12 22:46:48	wz1000	We need to make sure that the server actually supports that
2019-07-12 22:47:17	alanz	well, iirc when we first did that there were some things that were always expected to be supported, and others that were subject to optional handlers
2019-07-12 22:47:22	wz1000	i.e. if the user sets some CompletionOptions, we will advertise that capability regardless of whether the server can actually handle that
2019-07-12 22:47:40	alanz	But if it is inconsistent, bringing it into line in a uniform way would be good
2019-07-12 22:48:07	alanz	ideally the capabilities reported are fully derived from the presence of handlers etc, so we can guarantee a match up
2019-07-12 22:48:50	wz1000	yeah, I was just checking if this was intended. It seems like we should be checking for the presence of handlers in every case
2019-07-12 22:50:23	alanz	yes, would make sense
2019-07-12 22:52:26	alanz	so we should use supported (foo o) for all of them
2019-07-12 22:53:45	wz1000	actually, the ones where we don't use supported, the options are a bit more complicated that Just a bool
2019-07-12 22:53:56	wz1000	For example, see https://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp-types-0.15.0.0/docs/Language-Haskell-LSP-Types.html#t:GotoOptions
2019-07-12 22:54:20	wz1000	IIUC, we get an initial version of GotoOptions from the client
2019-07-12 22:54:48	wz1000	Then the server can modify those according to its capabilites, and then return a modified version of the options
2019-07-12 22:55:43	wz1000	eg: specifying exactly which files it supports GoTo on
2019-07-12 22:56:17	wz1000	btw, just a warning, I'm working on a pretty big refactor to haskell-lsp, to make it easier to use with reflex
2019-07-12 22:57:10	wz1000	With a bit of fancy type stuff
2019-07-12 22:57:32	wz1000	But it seems to simplify a lot of code in Core.hs and make everything more type safe too.
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2019-07-13 20:12:37	cyris212	Does hie support cabal's nix-style builds?
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2019-07-13 20:51:31	cyris212	https://gist.github.com/winpat/6d022f899b1113bdb62f5aa3a0c26257
2019-07-13 20:52:23	cyris212	It appears that it does not.
2019-07-13 21:04:01	fendor	cyris212, what was the question? I just joined
2019-07-13 21:05:06	infinisil	fendor: Whether HIE supports cabal's nix-style builds
2019-07-13 21:05:36	fendor	it doesnt yet
2019-07-13 21:06:25	cyris212	fendor: So are cabal sandboxes the way to go for now?
2019-07-13 21:06:54	fendor	cyris212, for doing what? I think hie uses them
2019-07-13 21:07:04	cyris212	(I am fairly new to haskell and a bit confused by all the build systems)
2019-07-13 21:07:20	infinisil	I'm just using the old-style builds for the time being
2019-07-13 21:07:50	fendor	cyris212, does it matter how hie builds the project, as long as it succeeds? you can use whatever you would like, personally, I love the new-build commands
2019-07-13 21:08:13	fendor	but due to the hie's limitation, all my projects are also stack projects, because hie seems to work most reliable with stack to me
2019-07-13 21:08:50	cyris212	fendor: Oh I don't really care as long as sit succeeds :-)
2019-07-13 21:09:46	fendor	cyris212, v2-* work really well, and stack also works really nice, as long as you dont use nixos. But I think, you are using nix, right?
2019-07-13 21:09:56	cyris212	Exactly :-)
2019-07-13 21:10:14	cyris212	lsp-mode shows me the following error https://gist.github.com/winpat/6d022f899b1113bdb62f5aa3a0c26257
2019-07-13 21:11:04	fendor	i think, I have seen that quite often now
2019-07-13 21:11:29	fendor	is it a stack project?
2019-07-13 21:11:54	cyris212	It uses cabal v2-build
2019-07-13 21:12:08	cyris212	I'm migrating it to v1-build.
2019-07-13 21:12:55	fendor	did you try executing it manually? e.g. what is the exact error?
2019-07-13 21:13:14	fendor	output of: /nix/store/9r4r0201kg7abxmnlw9cc5sg9p6fyjpm-cabal-helper-0.9.0.0/bin/cabal-helper-wrapper "--with-ghc=ghc" "--with-ghc-pkg=ghc-pkg" "--with-cabal=cabal" "v1-style" "/home/patrick/vcs/bkp" "/home/patrick/vcs/bkp/dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.6.4/bkp-0.0.1" "package-db-stack" "flags" "compiler-version" "ghc-merged-pkg-options" "config-flags" "non-default-config-flags" "ghc-src-options" "ghc-pkg-options" 
2019-07-13 21:13:14	fendor	"ghc-lang-options" "ghc-options" "source-dirs" "entrypoints" "needs-build-output"?
2019-07-13 21:16:41	infinisil	cyris212: You could try this: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#nix-cabal-helper-no-such-file-or-directory
2019-07-13 21:16:56	infinisil	Removing ~/.cache/cabal-helper and restarting HIE
2019-07-13 21:19:29	cyris212	infinisil: ~/.cache/cabal-helper does not exist.
2019-07-13 21:19:55	cyris212	fendor: Is this supposed to be run as a single command?
2019-07-13 21:20:13	fendor	yes, single command
2019-07-13 21:23:47	cyris212	cabal-helper-wrapper: /home/patrick/vcs/bkp/dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.6.4/bkp-0.0.1/setup-config: openFile: does not exist (No such file or directory)
2019-07-13 21:24:40	fendor	cyris212, yeah, I think that is one of these problems that v2-* is not completely supported yet :( The easiest fix is probably to add a stack.yaml file and build it with stack and cabal v2-*
2019-07-13 21:26:21	cyris212	All right. I will get familiar with stack then.
2019-07-13 21:26:37	cyris212	fendor: infinisil: Thanks for you help and time.
2019-07-13 21:27:31	fendor	cyris212, aelve guide is pretty useful. Most important bit, assuming you are on nixos, add to `.stack/config.yaml` nix: enable: True
2019-07-13 21:28:07	fendor	cyris212, https://guide.aelve.com/haskell/stack-cookbook-ai0adh03
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2019-07-13 21:41:18	cyris212	fendor: thx
2019-07-13 21:41:45	cyris212	What did you mean with "build it with stack and cabal v2-*"?
2019-07-13 21:42:06	cyris212	Is there some interopt functionality?
2019-07-13 21:45:59	fendor	cyris212, no, but they dont interfere with each other. So it is perfectly safe to use `stack build` and `cabal v2-build` in the same project.
2019-07-13 21:46:16	cyris212	I see
2019-07-13 21:46:58	fendor	cyris212, so, if you want to use cabal, you can do that. Unfortunately, hie still has some hiccups with cabal, in my expereince, which will hopefully be fixed during this summer
2019-07-13 21:48:06	cyris212	I will simply switch to stack. Seems like the easiest way to solve my problems :-)
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2019-07-13 21:56:49	fendor	cyris212, it is, but cabal v2-* is really great! on nixos, i prefer cabal v2-* whenever possible
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2019-07-13 22:14:39	cyris212	fendor: Indeed, v2-* builds did work very smoothly until I wanted to try hie.
2019-07-13 22:15:28	cyris212	I will consider switching back once there is support for v2-* builds.
2019-07-13 22:15:55	cyris212	https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell/issues/47
2019-07-13 22:16:51	cyris212	It appears that i've already hit my next problem
2019-07-13 22:18:38	fendor	cyris212, that is unfortunate :( unfortunately, i didnt have time yet to play around with emacs, so I really dont know what the problem might be :(
2019-07-13 22:21:14	cyris212	No problem, I should be able to debug this on my own :-)
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2019-07-14 22:23:27	wz1000	mpickering: do you know of any cross platform inotify like thing?
2019-07-14 22:24:03	wz1000	with haskell bindings?
2019-07-14 22:36:29	mpickering	wz1000: Look what `ghcid` does
2019-07-14 22:36:45	 *	mpickering perhaps https://hackage.haskell.org/package/fsnotify
2019-07-14 22:40:02	wz1000	thanks
2019-07-14 22:43:05	wz1000	mpickering: btw, is there an option to make missing imports a warning instead of an error? It would go together well with -fdefer-out-of-scope-variables
2019-07-14 22:43:26	mpickering	not that I know of
2019-07-14 22:43:51	mpickering	I guess you mean in general deferring out of scope variables
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2019-07-14 23:54:05	wz1000	mpickering: try it out when you get the time: https://github.com/wz1000/hie-lsp/blob/master/README.md
2019-07-14 23:54:41	mpickering	what should I expect
2019-07-14 23:55:19	wz1000	hover, references, definition
2019-07-14 23:56:04	wz1000	Refreshing the info is completely manual though
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2019-07-15 00:20:15	wz1000	mpickering: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1OAvqLSqFL1p4CnwaOADLhe3_Lg4FD8LM
2019-07-15 00:58:32	mpickering	https://www.informatik.uni-marburg.de/~seba/publications/declarative-indentation-rules.pdf
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2019-07-15 02:50:55	mpickering	wz1000: I only see one dynamic still in this application?
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2019-07-15 11:33:51	wz1000	mpickering: yes, its still early days. There will be more Dynamics once we have more state to manage. The refmap generated by `genReferencesMap` can also go in its own dynmaic
2019-07-15 11:33:56	wz1000	*dynamic
2019-07-15 11:34:48	wz1000	And we can break the existing IdeState into multiple dynamics once downsweep is incremental
2019-07-15 11:35:56	wz1000	The problem is that updating the state needs to do IO, and doing IO advances the "time" of the network
2019-07-15 11:36:43	wz1000	So if you have Dynamic StateA, and a function StateA -> StateB -> IO StateB
2019-07-15 11:37:00	wz1000	It is not a good idea to have a Dynamic StateB
2019-07-15 11:38:09	wz1000	because the Dynamic StateB will lag behind the Dynamic StateA, so if you sample in between the time StateA is updated and the time StateB is updating you will get an inconsistent view of the world
2019-07-15 11:38:50	wz1000	so instead you need to have Dynamic (StateA,StateB), and update :: (StateA,StateB) -> IO (StateA,StateB)
2019-07-15 11:40:52	wz1000	This means that all the parts of the state that need IO to be updated need to be grouped together into one, so that they can all be updated simultaneously  
2019-07-15 11:47:02	wz1000	To work around this, I plan to make everything more incremental so we don't have to do IO to update the state
2019-07-15 11:48:03	wz1000	instead of IO, we have Events that notify us of the relevant changes to the world, and the state can be updated by listening to those Events
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2019-07-15 12:43:03	mpickering	wz1000: Did you try it on GHC?
2019-07-15 12:44:33	wz1000	mpickering: no. It needs to be able to construct a ModuleGraph
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2019-07-15 12:46:26	wz1000	see https://github.com/wz1000/hie-lsp/blob/master/Main.hs#L226 and https://github.com/wz1000/hie-lsp/blob/master/Main.hs#L246
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2019-07-15 12:46:48	wz1000	If you can get this bit to work with GHC, it should work
2019-07-15 12:47:47	wz1000	If I try to open some random .hs file without a .ghc.environment file, downsweep fails
2019-07-15 12:48:28	mpickering	wz1000: oh, can you just hook this into `hie-bios`?
2019-07-15 12:49:15	mpickering	There is a function in`hie-bios` of type `IO HscEnv`
2019-07-15 12:49:25	wz1000	hmm, I'll try
2019-07-15 12:50:00	mpickering	they do this in haskell-ide-core
2019-07-15 12:50:53	wz1000	Btw, instead of mucking about with cabal etc., can't we just teach environment files about components?
2019-07-15 12:51:00	wz1000	then everything can just work
2019-07-15 12:56:41	mpickering	not sure what you have in mind but environment files don't set up the right environment to build a package
2019-07-15 12:57:21	wz1000	why?
2019-07-15 12:57:53	wz1000	Isn't the idea behind them that ghc/ghci somefile.hs can "just work"?
2019-07-15 12:59:15	mpickering	they include the built components in the file
2019-07-15 12:59:24	mpickering	so your ghci session includes the just built package
2019-07-15 12:59:49	mpickering	and also they don't include anything like ghc options etc
2019-07-15 13:00:46	wz1000	Anyway, all I need from downsweep for this is a mapping of FilePath -> Module
2019-07-15 13:01:36	mpickering	I think if you're implementing downsweep properly you don't need this
2019-07-15 13:01:40	mpickering	you parse the header of the file
2019-07-15 13:01:42	wz1000	I don't care about compilign files etc.
2019-07-15 13:01:47	wz1000	I just need to parse the header
2019-07-15 13:02:49	mpickering	So why do you need this map?
2019-07-15 13:03:32	wz1000	Because .hie files can only be reliably expected to store the Module
2019-07-15 13:03:42	wz1000	but we need to report filepaths to the user
2019-07-15 13:03:54	wz1000	so we need a way to go back and forth between these
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2019-07-15 13:04:16	mpickering	If a file is a `A/B.hs` then the module name is `A.B`?
2019-07-15 13:04:38	wz1000	not necessarily
2019-07-15 13:04:46	wz1000	See ghc/compiler
2019-07-15 13:05:23	mpickering	that's because of how `-i` is set
2019-07-15 13:08:02	wz1000	so we need to know that
2019-07-15 13:09:06	mpickering	the tool should probably be responsible for generating the hie files?
2019-07-15 13:09:14	mpickering	so that we know which one is for which module?
2019-07-15 13:09:28	mpickering	and then you need the whole session for compiling a module
2019-07-15 13:09:37	wz1000	yes
2019-07-15 13:09:48	wz1000	I was hoping to avoid that
2019-07-15 13:10:25	wz1000	Another question is how we handle .hie files for dependencies where there is no source available
2019-07-15 13:10:38	mpickering	the source is in the hie file though?
2019-07-15 13:10:44	wz1000	Do we write out the source to a temp file and report that?
2019-07-15 13:10:58	mpickering	does vscode not have a concept of a virtual buffer?
2019-07-15 13:11:03	wz1000	LSP doesn't
2019-07-15 13:11:10	wz1000	I don't know about vscode
2019-07-15 13:11:38	mpickering	In the LSP demo I am fairly sure they use a "virtual buffer"
2019-07-15 13:11:47	wz1000	in LSIF I think
2019-07-15 13:11:52	wz1000	But not in LSP
2019-07-15 13:12:00	wz1000	which LSP demo?
2019-07-15 13:13:07	mpickering	LSIF I meant
2019-07-15 13:13:31	wz1000	Yeah, I'm pretty sure thats not in the LSP spec
2019-07-15 13:13:36	wz1000	we should open an issue
2019-07-15 13:13:46	wz1000	https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specification
2019-07-15 13:15:09	mpickering	you should look what other language servers do
2019-07-15 13:15:43	wz1000	interpreted languages always have the source somewhere
2019-07-15 13:18:17	mpickering	so they just jump into the vendored deps?
2019-07-15 13:18:22	mpickering	what about compiled languages though?
2019-07-15 13:19:12	wz1000	thats what ts/js do iirc
2019-07-15 13:21:05	mpickering	how do you get diagnostics btw if you don't compile the modules?
2019-07-15 13:22:01	mpickering	and also, a file change from LSP means you will have to recompile some modules to update state
2019-07-15 13:22:11	mpickering	in short, I don't see how you can not set up a proper environment
2019-07-15 13:22:15	wz1000	I was thinking something like ghcid
2019-07-15 13:23:01	wz1000	where recompiling modules and .hie files is the users responsibility
2019-07-15 13:23:17	mpickering	hmm...
2019-07-15 13:28:09	wz1000	And hie-lsp only works for single components...
2019-07-15 13:28:58	wz1000	it happened to work for the `cabal init` project because that puts MyLib.hs into both the executable and library components
2019-07-15 13:29:55	wz1000	If I remove MyLib from the executable components, it doesn't work for MyLib.hs anymore
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2019-07-15 13:41:56	wz1000	mpickering: hie-bios uses `readProcess "ghc" ["--print-libdir"] []`
2019-07-15 13:42:09	wz1000	How does that work with stack which has its own ghc?
2019-07-15 13:46:09	wz1000	also, the module <--> file name correspondence doesn't work with multiple components
2019-07-15 13:46:21	wz1000	or with Main modules
2019-07-15 13:48:43	wz1000	we also need both the ModuleName and UnitId for each file
2019-07-15 13:48:55	wz1000	And the only way to do that is to involve the build tool
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2019-07-15 14:12:57	mpickering	Which bit are you talking about?
2019-07-15 14:13:10	mpickering	So you get the diagnostics by parsing `ghcid` output?
2019-07-15 14:14:33	mpickering	of course you have to involve the build tool, but hie-bios is supposed to be the way to abstract the build-tool 
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2019-07-15 14:19:02	mpickering	there has been so little interest in getting my branch merged though that it's not surprising if there are bugs
2019-07-15 14:19:13	mpickering	so I can't say I'm currently inclined to work further on it 
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2019-07-19 19:46:40	arrowsvc	https://stackoverflow.com/q/57091545/637669
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2019-07-19 20:47:42	wz1000	lukelau_: how do I get stderr from the functional-tests?
2019-07-19 20:48:35	lukelau_	wz1000: runSessionWithConfig (defaultConfig { logStdErr = True })
2019-07-19 20:49:18	lukelau_	That just prints it to stdout
2019-07-19 20:50:28	wz1000	thanks
2019-07-19 21:03:16	wz1000	lukelau_: why don't we have cabal files in these directories? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/tree/master/test/testdata/completion
2019-07-19 21:04:46	mpickering	wz1000: You should be able to load them with the bare cradle though?
2019-07-19 21:07:46	wz1000	oh yeah
2019-07-19 21:08:00	wz1000	now I just have to figure out why completion genuinely doesn't work
2019-07-19 21:08:11	wz1000	not even in vscode
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2019-07-19 21:16:02	mpickering	wz1000: It might be because I disabled the provider
2019-07-19 21:16:36	mpickering	So you might have to copy some code in from the old GhcMod plugin and re-enable it
2019-07-19 21:16:50	wz1000	no, the function is called
2019-07-19 21:17:35	wz1000	and it returns an empty list
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2019-07-19 22:13:24	mpickering	wz1000: Autocomplete returns an empty list because it tries to use the parsed module
2019-07-19 22:13:33	mpickering	which we discussed the other day, I don't currently cache
2019-07-19 22:13:53	mpickering	Which you probably already discovered
2019-07-19 22:14:50	wz1000	mpickering: no, that was not the problem
2019-07-19 22:15:05	wz1000	you commented out the bit that saved the ghc session
2019-07-19 22:15:12	wz1000	in the ide state
2019-07-19 22:15:36	mpickering	how does it work if we won't save the parsed module?
2019-07-19 22:15:41	mpickering	*don't
2019-07-19 22:15:47	wz1000	it does now
2019-07-19 22:15:58	wz1000	Completion never depended on the parssed module
2019-07-19 22:16:17	mpickering	ok
2019-07-19 22:16:23	mpickering	I was just looking at the symbol provider
2019-07-19 22:16:27	mpickering	which is apparently not completion then
2019-07-19 22:16:33	mpickering	but that is going to be broken?
2019-07-19 22:16:47	wz1000	the issue was this https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/compare/master...wz1000:hie-bios-wz1000#diff-9ec602207c6ab290328c0270cfbd64feR263
2019-07-19 22:17:08	wz1000	we do save the parsed module when we also have the typechecked module
2019-07-19 22:17:22	mpickering	ok
2019-07-19 22:17:26	mpickering	ok, good foresight on my part
2019-07-19 22:17:31	mpickering	your link doesn't work
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2019-07-19 22:19:22	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/blob/hie-bios-wz1000/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Ghc.hs#L263
2019-07-19 22:21:34	mpickering	yeah, what does that do?
2019-07-19 22:21:40	mpickering	Looked ripe for a leak to me
2019-07-19 22:22:16	mpickering	do completions not work just from the typechecked module?
2019-07-19 22:22:30	wz1000	nope, they need to access the global environment I think
2019-07-19 22:22:46	mpickering	seems unexpected
2019-07-19 22:22:54	mpickering	anyway, now we know why that line is needed
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2019-07-19 23:01:17	wz1000	mpickering: you're right, completion can work with mostly the typechecked module. The current implementation is very convoluted
2019-07-19 23:01:45	wz1000	I think to get the types of stuff we still need the global environment
2019-07-19 23:01:57	wz1000	But that can be done in the "completionItemResolve" step
2019-07-19 23:02:36	wz1000	It can be much simple if it just uses the GlobalRdrEnv
2019-07-19 23:03:05	wz1000	*simpler
2019-07-19 23:05:08	wz1000	Instead of just using the RdrEnv, it looks at all the imports, checks if its qualified etc., gets everything exported by the import by querying the global state and so on
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2019-07-19 23:05:15	wz1000	All of this info is in the RdrEnv
2019-07-19 23:09:34	mpickering	Yeah. 
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2019-07-20 14:02:10	wz1000	mpickering: ping
2019-07-20 14:02:19	mpickering	good morning
2019-07-20 14:04:02	wz1000	there doesn't seem to be a way to get the IORef HscEnv from GhcT
2019-07-20 14:04:03	wz1000	?
2019-07-20 14:06:25	mpickering	wz1000: What do you want that for?
2019-07-20 14:06:47	wz1000	Oh, there is
2019-07-20 14:06:59	wz1000	Two reasons: One for haddock
2019-07-20 14:07:06	wz1000	Second to lookup the type of a name
2019-07-20 14:07:22	wz1000	there is reflectGhc
2019-07-20 14:07:41	wz1000	reflectGhc will do the trick
2019-07-20 14:07:55	wz1000	we need to read the global state for these two things
2019-07-20 14:08:11	mpickering	I'll take your word for it
2019-07-20 14:08:59	wz1000	mpickering: I committed this for now: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/commit/2c8b51b00f64b59e9e3e7c70ec808afd95e01be2#diff-4c423d470eea9ff90c37c93e365d5022R490
2019-07-20 14:09:21	wz1000	but that seems more prone to leaks than just holding a ioref
2019-07-20 14:10:56	mpickering	ok
2019-07-20 14:11:16	mpickering	The last thing to do before merging is to squash all the leaks
2019-07-20 14:11:34	mpickering	we have some fairly sophisticated methods now so I'm confident it will be quite easy
2019-07-20 14:12:13	mpickering	If you're interested in this I should show you how to do it at ICFP 
2019-07-20 14:13:16	wz1000	OK
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2019-07-20 14:39:57	mpickering	wz1000: How many tests are currently failing?
2019-07-20 14:40:58	wz1000	The only ones I still have to diagnose are a bunch of codeaction/hlint ones
2019-07-20 14:42:13	wz1000	Then there are a couple that fail because of things like not saving the parsed module etc.
2019-07-20 14:42:22	wz1000	The rest work
2019-07-20 14:43:28	wz1000	I'm working on a completion patch for master, which I will cherry pick to the hie-bios branch
2019-07-20 14:43:48	wz1000	Which is why I'm being so vague, because this is all from memory
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2019-07-20 17:41:00	mpickering	Excellent
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2019-07-20 20:47:41	mpickering	wz1000: Perhaps completions are like this so you can autocomplete imports as well?
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2019-07-20 21:27:13	wz1000	mpickering: All that is in the GblRdrEnv
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2019-07-20 22:42:41	wz1000	alanz, lukelau_ : comments please, if you guys find the time: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1334
2019-07-20 22:49:57	alanz	wz1000, will try take a look tomorrow
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2019-07-20 23:45:52	wz1000	alanz: are we still supporting 8.2.2?
2019-07-20 23:46:26	alanz	wz1000, only if it does not get in the way
2019-07-20 23:46:42	alanz	it is already using different versions of a lot of things, so is ready to go
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2019-07-20 23:49:50	wz1000	alanz: it fails due to `instance Semigroup`...
2019-07-20 23:49:57	wz1000	I guess I should just fix it
2019-07-20 23:50:19	wz1000	but there is no non CPP way to fix this no?
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2019-07-21 00:07:40	jose_zap	wz1000 just need mappend = (<>)
2019-07-21 00:10:03	wz1000	the compile fails because Semigroup is not in scope. And adding `import Semigroup` will probably make ghc complain about a redundant import and break everything else due to -Werror
2019-07-21 00:10:56	jose_zap	it does not, you can see I did the same here: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Ghc.hs#L60
2019-07-21 00:12:34	wz1000	ok, thanks
2019-07-21 00:13:52	jose_zap	wz1000 no problem, good job doing those changes!
2019-07-21 00:14:07	jose_zap	do you expect any performance difference after merging this?
2019-07-21 00:14:19	wz1000	Yes, I think so. Memory too
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2019-07-21 00:15:30	wz1000	the bump in memory usage on requesting completions should be reduced quite a bit, especially if you have a ton of imports
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2019-07-21 00:46:21	jose_zap	nice!
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2019-07-21 02:06:42	wz1000	spent the last 45 minutes trying to figure out why cabal new-test was failing...
2019-07-21 02:07:00	wz1000	Turns out func-test uses `stack exec hie` to run hie
2019-07-21 02:07:18	wz1000	and it was picking up an old version
2019-07-21 02:10:34	mpickering	:)
2019-07-21 02:13:08	wz1000	also thanks mpickering I spent another 15 minutes chasing down a test that fails because you changed the default diagnosticsOnChange to false
2019-07-21 02:13:34	mpickering	lol it's not a good feature, fight me
2019-07-21 02:13:54	wz1000	you can disable it in your vscode settings
2019-07-21 02:14:43	mpickering	I added that
2019-07-21 02:17:20	mpickering	I chose something which would save other people having to do it
2019-07-21 02:17:34	wz1000	I changed it back
2019-07-21 02:18:11	mpickering	🙃
2019-07-21 02:18:54	wz1000	green tests are more important than your feelings
2019-07-21 02:19:13	wz1000	And I don't want to patch 20 tests adding the appropriate config message
2019-07-21 02:19:58	mpickering	deleting the tests would be faster
2019-07-21 02:20:22	wz1000	they don't test diagnostics on change, they just rely on it
2019-07-21 02:20:44	mpickering	ah I see
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2019-07-21 03:44:31	lukelau	wz1000: cabal new-test is weird
2019-07-21 03:44:43	lukelau	it messes up $PATH and other environment vars
2019-07-21 03:44:51	lukelau	try cabal v2-run :func-tests
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2019-07-21 14:51:12	mpickering	wz1000: Do I need to review any patches of yours currently?
2019-07-21 15:08:23	wz1000	mpickering: the ghc ones
2019-07-21 15:08:29	mpickering	ok
2019-07-21 15:09:20	wz1000	mpickering: Also, I would like your thoughts on the type information lookup stuff on https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1334
2019-07-21 15:09:51	mpickering	I had a look but this user facing part of HIE is a bit complicated for me to understand properly
2019-07-21 15:09:57	mpickering	Do you just want my opinion on loading interface files?
2019-07-21 15:10:01	wz1000	yes
2019-07-21 15:10:21	wz1000	should we do that when we want to lookup the type for a name?
2019-07-21 15:10:58	wz1000	The question is "do we want ghc to suck up interface files when the user has a symbol selected in the completion window"
2019-07-21 15:11:11	wz1000	so that we can report the type of the symbol
2019-07-21 15:11:58	mpickering	How expensive is loading these interface files?
2019-07-21 15:12:14	mpickering	It seems like the sort of thing which might have been an optimisation 20 years ago
2019-07-21 15:12:15	wz1000	basically reading the modiface/.hi if I understand correctly
2019-07-21 15:13:09	mpickering	another option is to just load all the interface files when the session starts/ module is loaded?
2019-07-21 15:13:27	wz1000	it also means that if you scroll through the list of completions, your memory usage might increase (permanently for the rest of the session)
2019-07-21 15:13:35	wz1000	All of them?
2019-07-21 15:14:28	wz1000	common imports often reexport a bunch of stuff which is never used
2019-07-21 15:14:49	wz1000	GHC is lazy by default on loading the interface files for that stuff
2019-07-21 15:15:24	mpickering	yeah but I don't think it is actually a significant amount of memory
2019-07-21 15:15:31	mpickering	Similar issue here -https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/issues/16793
2019-07-21 15:15:54	mpickering	fixed by eagerly loading the interface files - https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/1377
2019-07-21 15:16:43	mpickering	So I err towards eagerly loading interface files, until it becomes obvious there is a problem
2019-07-21 15:18:55	wz1000	hmm
2019-07-21 15:19:59	mpickering	if you look at the profiles. the memory usage is not from interface files, at least not the leaks
2019-07-21 15:20:34	wz1000	ok. but did the profiles run completion?
2019-07-21 15:21:10	mpickering	no, there are enough leaks just saving a file over and over again
2019-07-21 15:22:41	wz1000	yes, but the goal is to fix all leaks
2019-07-21 15:22:54	mpickering	right but I don't think loading interface files is a leak
2019-07-21 15:22:58	mpickering	you do though?
2019-07-21 15:23:56	wz1000	yes, I think just triggering completion in the current version of hie will have a noticeable bump in memory usage
2019-07-21 15:24:04	wz1000	why don't we test this?
2019-07-21 15:24:25	wz1000	Do you have the profiling code uploaded somewhere?
2019-07-21 15:24:47	mpickering	yeah it's on a branch
2019-07-21 15:25:13	mpickering	So far we just have a script which saves the file 50 times
2019-07-21 15:25:26	mpickering	but the goal was to expand this support to other features as well
2019-07-21 15:25:31	mpickering	ie, requesting completions 50 times
2019-07-21 15:25:51	wz1000	anyway, I think with my completion patch, we don't eagerly lookup the type of every symbol in scope - we only look it up when the client asks us to "resolve" the completion
2019-07-21 15:26:05	wz1000	which is usually when the user has it selected in the completion drop down
2019-07-21 15:26:41	wz1000	so even loading in the interface will probably be fine
2019-07-21 15:26:47	mpickering	https://github.com/bubba/haskell-ide-engine/commits/leak-test
2019-07-21 15:26:53	mpickering	It's a bit rough
2019-07-21 15:27:04	mpickering	Luke and I are working on some other library stuff to clean it up
2019-07-21 15:27:13	mpickering	and I'm working on ghc-debug to automatically track where the leaks are
2019-07-21 15:27:23	mpickering	But you can take the test executable from there quite easily
2019-07-21 15:27:29	mpickering	modify it to request completions 50 times
2019-07-21 15:27:37	mpickering	and profile it to see memory usage if you like
2019-07-21 15:28:11	wz1000	hmm. I think I don't need to muck around with weak pointers just yet though?
2019-07-21 15:28:17	mpickering	no
2019-07-21 15:28:37	mpickering	You can just take the test file
2019-07-21 15:28:50	mpickering	https://github.com/bubba/haskell-ide-engine/commit/8bcc3e5076d30acf49b411ea599f728a573dd82e
2019-07-21 15:29:11	mpickering	https://github.com/bubba/haskell-ide-engine/commit/84980f0beec5bbd56d2b19e9303e3950a0a743df#diff-c0f7d358a9b72731d746381bc0ad6696R143
2019-07-21 15:29:35	mpickering	then set `profiling: True` in your cabal file 
2019-07-21 15:29:48	mpickering	and invoke hie with `+RTS -hy` or something
2019-07-21 15:30:14	mpickering	setting the path in the test-excutable to a wrapper which passes `+RTS -hy` to hie
2019-07-21 15:32:19	wz1000	and I can use your fancy graphing stuff with this? I just need to add `traceEvent` in the right places?
2019-07-21 15:32:28	mpickering	yes
2019-07-21 15:32:32	mpickering	that's what I did
2019-07-21 15:32:42	mpickering	you need to pass `-l-au` as well to use that
2019-07-21 15:32:50	mpickering	and it doesn't work with biographical or retainer modes
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2019-07-21 17:18:22	wz1000	mpickering: I get eventlog2html: Empty event log
2019-07-21 17:18:33	wz1000	hp2ps works though
2019-07-21 17:21:18	mpickering	wz1000: What command are you running?
2019-07-21 17:21:29	wz1000	eventlog2html hie.eventlog
2019-07-21 17:21:45	mpickering	and what options are you passing to ghc?
2019-07-21 17:22:23	wz1000	+RTS -hy -l-au
2019-07-21 17:22:33	wz1000	i'm running hie with those options
2019-07-21 17:23:45	mpickering	that's strange
2019-07-21 17:23:51	wz1000	should traceEvent show in the hp2ps output?
2019-07-21 17:23:55	mpickering	no
2019-07-21 17:23:59	mpickering	that's they eventlog2html exists
2019-07-21 17:24:15	mpickering	can you send me the eventlog?
2019-07-21 17:25:04	wz1000	eventlog2html works with the .hp file
2019-07-21 17:25:16	mpickering	but won't show the traces
2019-07-21 17:25:22	wz1000	yes
2019-07-21 17:25:42	mpickering	If you can install `ghc-events` you can see what's in the eventlog using `ghc-events show hie.eventlog`
2019-07-21 17:25:53	mpickering	which version of GHC are you using?
2019-07-21 17:26:03	wz1000	8.6.5
2019-07-21 17:26:07	mpickering	ok
2019-07-21 17:26:27	wz1000	I did `strings hie.eventlog` and I couldn't see the traceEvents I put in
2019-07-21 17:29:06	wz1000	mpickering: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1tqAC9jJTfFIBA2lGGyNpgeIfkiaK7XhZ
2019-07-21 17:30:19	mpickering	thanks
2019-07-21 17:31:22	mpickering	yeah the eventlog is totally empty
2019-07-21 17:31:48	mpickering	does it have the same modtime as the .hp file?
2019-07-21 17:32:49	mpickering	try with just `-l`
2019-07-21 17:32:52	mpickering	and removing `-T`?
2019-07-21 17:34:31	wz1000	Ok, I generated it again, making the lsp-test bit repeat the test 20 times, and it works
2019-07-21 17:35:09	wz1000	but I still don't see my "traceEventIO"?
2019-07-21 17:38:11	wz1000	do I need -g3 -debug in ghc-options?
2019-07-21 17:39:13	wz1000	mpickering: ^
2019-07-21 17:39:54	wz1000	also, should I use traceMarker or traceEvent?
2019-07-21 17:43:58	mpickering	`traceEvent` or `traceEventIO` should work
2019-07-21 17:44:27	mpickering	do you mean the traces don't appear on the graph?
2019-07-21 17:44:37	wz1000	yes
2019-07-21 17:45:13	mpickering	if you use --json do they appear in the json output?
2019-07-21 17:46:09	wz1000	grep doesn't find anything
2019-07-21 17:51:20	mpickering	are you sure your traces are firing?
2019-07-21 17:51:31	mpickering	it sounds to me that the module might be failing to be loaded
2019-07-21 17:51:50	wz1000	no, I put an undefined just before the trace and it got hit
2019-07-21 17:52:37	wz1000	I'm trying to compile it with -debug, but ld.gold is taking forever
2019-07-21 17:53:01	mpickering	how will debug help?
2019-07-21 17:53:08	mpickering	you lso can use debug with prof
2019-07-21 17:53:16	mpickering	until 8.8
2019-07-21 17:53:41	mpickering	try using traceEvent
2019-07-21 17:54:35	wz1000	there is also -eventlog which is implied by -debug
2019-07-21 17:54:59	mpickering	and prof
2019-07-21 18:04:59	wz1000	I'm using all of traceEvent,traceMarker,traceEventIO,traceMarkerIO and I can't get it to show up
2019-07-21 18:16:25	wz1000	Ok, I get at least one of them works after removing -au
2019-07-21 18:17:41	wz1000	mpickering: what is -au supposed to do?
2019-07-21 18:26:56	mpickering	only log user events
2019-07-21 18:31:18	wz1000	what are "user events"?
2019-07-21 18:31:34	mpickering	 things like trace
2019-07-21 18:31:40	mpickering	did you look in the manual?
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2019-07-21 19:31:44	wz1000	mpickering: see https://raw.githubusercontent.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/simpler-completion-mem/hie.eventlog.old.html
2019-07-21 19:31:50	wz1000	vs https://raw.githubusercontent.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/simpler-completion-mem/hie.eventlog.html
2019-07-21 19:32:31	wz1000	its not exactly a "leak", but its something
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2019-07-21 19:49:52	mpickering	what is old and what is new?
2019-07-21 19:49:55	mpickering	wz1000: 
2019-07-21 19:52:55	wz1000	old is before my patch
2019-07-21 19:53:22	wz1000	and the bump in the middle in old is when we start requesting completions
2019-07-21 19:53:46	wz1000	the test is - reload 20 times, then reload 20 times asking for completions every time
2019-07-21 19:54:05	mpickering	so your patch makes it use 10mb less memory
2019-07-21 19:54:21	wz1000	yes, when just "Prelude" is imported
2019-07-21 19:54:24	mpickering	that's pretty decent
2019-07-21 19:54:39	mpickering	probably makes a big difference on GHC
2019-07-21 19:54:50	wz1000	as the number of imports grow, the difference will also change
2019-07-21 19:55:02	wz1000	of course, it depends on what exactly you're importing
2019-07-21 19:55:25	wz1000	if you import exactly what you need, then it will make no difference
2019-07-21 19:57:45	arrowd	Is `stack ghci` supposed to work in hie source dir?
2019-07-21 19:58:31	fendor	arrowd, probably, what doesnt work?
2019-07-21 19:59:01	arrowd	Not even sure: https://pastebin.com/ZXTiTQWs
2019-07-21 19:59:36	mpickering	arrowd: Does it work if you specify a specific target?
2019-07-21 20:00:16	arrowd	What target?
2019-07-21 20:01:10	mpickering	lib:haskell-ide-engine for example
2019-07-21 20:01:17	mpickering	I don't know how stack works
2019-07-21 20:01:40	mpickering	wz1000: I guess the patch forward-ports nicely onto my branch as well?
2019-07-21 20:01:45	mpickering	as I don't remember touching any of that code
2019-07-21 20:01:51	wz1000	yes, I've already merged it
2019-07-21 20:02:06	wz1000	git was a bit confused, but it was fairly straightforward
2019-07-21 20:02:29	fendor	arrowd, for example, stack ghci haskell-ide-engine:lib
2019-07-21 20:02:38	arrowd	Trying that already.
2019-07-21 20:03:20	arrowd	Nope, same problem.
2019-07-21 20:03:36	fendor	arrowd, are the submodules up to date?
2019-07-21 20:03:47	fendor	e.g. building works?
2019-07-21 20:04:00	arrowd	Not sure, but I did `git submodule update --recursive`.
2019-07-21 20:04:08	arrowd	Haven't tried building yet.
2019-07-21 20:05:40	fendor	executed it on my machine and noticed the same problem now
2019-07-21 20:06:15	fendor	or kind of, no problem regarding hare, but `cannot satisfy -package z-haskell-ide-engine-z-hie-test-utils`
2019-07-21 20:06:51	arrowd	Yep, with "haskell-ide-engine:lib" there is only "cannot satisfy" error.
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2019-07-21 20:15:19	fendor	arrowd, well, cabal works
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2019-07-22 00:15:14	arrowd	fendor: cabal new-repl?
2019-07-22 00:35:34	mpickering	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OPN7QPsYKE&feature=youtu.be
2019-07-22 00:35:43	mpickering	So facebook have their own alternative to kythe and lsif
2019-07-22 00:38:50	wz1000	lol
2019-07-22 00:39:01	wz1000	Simon Marlow
2019-07-22 00:44:07	wz1000	So google, microsoft, facebook are all chucking money/manpower at this
2019-07-22 00:44:45	wz1000	wonder when some of that will make it our way
2019-07-22 00:44:51	fendor	arrowd, cabal v2-repl lib:haskell-ide-engine
2019-07-22 00:46:58	wz1000	guess none of them care about haskell though.
2019-07-22 00:47:17	wz1000	But they use haskell to write their code analysis stuff
2019-07-22 01:12:53	mpickering	This does look a bit more thought out that lsif tbh
2019-07-22 01:13:07	mpickering	from just skimming through
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2019-07-22 01:47:51	wz1000	it looks a bit like kythe
2019-07-22 01:48:12	wz1000	but the lsif people have added more db stuff recently I think
2019-07-22 01:48:55	wz1000	And lsif is the closest we have to a working implementation
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2019-07-22 02:31:03	mpickering	we have a kythe implementation as well
2019-07-22 02:31:07	mpickering	just not based on hie files
2019-07-22 02:41:24	jneira	i get azure build to terminate in 16 min! https://dev.azure.com/jneira/haskell-ide-engine/_build/results?buildId=177
2019-07-22 02:42:36	jneira	when i complete the testing of macos i would make a pr
2019-07-22 02:42:59	jneira	it would be great to run the test suite there :-/
2019-07-22 02:43:23	mpickering	how did you do that jneira ?
2019-07-22 02:44:24	jneira	azure started the beta of its cache service: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/devops/pipelines/caching/?view=azure-devops
2019-07-22 02:46:03	jneira	it still has several warts but i could do it with some workarounds, my last branch is `azure-cache4` :-P
2019-07-22 03:17:02	fendor	jneira, looking forward to it!
2019-07-22 03:24:43	jneira	Launched!
2019-07-22 03:27:55	fendor	jneira, looks nice, but the issue with the stack-root variable will need some fixing, i suppose
2019-07-22 03:31:11	fendor	jneira, cant we change the location of `.stack`? 
2019-07-22 03:37:24	fendor	If you can execute a command, something like stack path --stack-root should give you the root.
2019-07-22 03:37:33	fendor	I wrote it done in gh
2019-07-22 03:37:37	fendor	*down
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2019-07-22 10:54:33	wz1000	mpickering: I mean something that works with actual editors
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2019-07-22 11:08:08	wz1000	As far as I can tell, kythe is only consumed by a cli tool(which we already have in hiedb), the web interface, and whatever internal tooling google have
2019-07-22 11:09:29	wz1000	If someone(not me) spent some time on haddock writing javascript, they could easily have something rivalling the kythe web interface
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2019-07-22 12:54:02	wz1000	dxld: does this look right? https://gist.github.com/wz1000/e823729dd5ce15b1a95dbf1f94f88779
2019-07-22 12:54:56	wz1000	Specifically, Lib and Lib2 seem to be "other-module" for the exe, and the exe doesn't depend on the library
2019-07-22 12:55:40	wz1000	which doesn't work because Lib and Lib2 are in src/, but for the exe ciSourceDirs = [ "app" ]
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2019-07-22 13:37:22	wz1000	dxld: it works fine with new-build after I add a cabal.project file
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2019-07-22 15:47:04	arrowd	What's difference between runIdeGhcM and runIdeGhcMBare?
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2019-07-22 15:48:12	wz1000	arrowd: I think runIdeGhcMBare is not implemented?
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2019-07-22 18:09:26	wz1000	mpickering: did you write all the CPP in Generic.hs yourself?
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2019-07-22 18:47:29	mpickering	wz1000: Yes but originally in haskell-indexer
2019-07-22 18:47:41	mpickering	I think I copied the file
2019-07-22 18:47:50	mpickering	then realised I could use none of the definitions
2019-07-22 18:47:57	mpickering	so started again
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2019-07-22 19:33:55	dxld	wz1000: that is probably an artifact of c-h trying to inline inplace dependencies
2019-07-22 19:34:22	dxld	that's a feature I've been planning to remove as we move towards new-build
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2019-07-22 19:53:44	wz1000	mpickering: here is my progress with func-tests: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/23838ce911baff0f0c2b76a8a821f148
2019-07-22 19:53:50	wz1000	Most of the core stuff works
2019-07-22 19:55:24	mpickering	looks good but I can't understand the failures
2019-07-22 19:57:57	wz1000	liquid haskell stuff fails because i don't have liquid haskell installed
2019-07-22 19:58:19	wz1000	casesplit fails because that was implemented in ghc-mod and hasn't been ported over
2019-07-22 19:59:01	wz1000	the stuff in FunctionalCodeActions is weird and fails for lots of reasons
2019-07-22 19:59:28	wz1000	other than these there are only:
2019-07-22 19:59:30	wz1000	    respond to untypecheckable modules with parsed module cache FAILED [1]
2019-07-22 19:59:33	wz1000	    Can load one file at a time, when more than one Main module exists FAILED [2]
2019-07-22 19:59:40	wz1000	    deals with cabal file with unsatisfiable dependency FAILED [4]
2019-07-22 20:07:59	mpickering	so the parsed module cache fails because I didn't implement it? 
2019-07-22 20:08:29	mpickering	What is supposed to happen for [2] and [4]
2019-07-22 20:10:54	wz1000	4 we are supposed to get sensible diagnostics
2019-07-22 20:12:40	mpickering	how though? if the cabal file is broken
2019-07-22 20:13:18	wz1000	yes, for the cabal file error
2019-07-22 20:13:48	wz1000	so if the bios command fails, we need to report it as an error for the user
2019-07-22 20:13:50	mpickering	I see, that is probably present in the stderr from calling the cradle?
2019-07-22 20:13:53	wz1000	yes
2019-07-22 20:13:57	mpickering	yes that is probably true
2019-07-22 20:14:26	wz1000	and 2 is supposed to work normally
2019-07-22 20:16:58	wz1000	hmm, [2] works for me in vscode
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2019-07-22 20:18:38	wz1000	oh, only the hie command in 2 is wrong
2019-07-22 20:18:45	wz1000	so it fails to even start hie
2019-07-22 20:20:20	mpickering	so not a bug?
2019-07-22 20:20:39	wz1000	yes, [2] works
2019-07-22 20:20:45	wz1000	there is also:
2019-07-22 20:21:14	wz1000	      Overrides -Werror FAILED [3]
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2019-07-22 20:22:55	mpickering	So I suspect this is because I remove one of the places you were allowed to add ghc options
2019-07-22 20:23:20	mpickering	because it meant options were getting added in multiple places
2019-07-22 20:23:23	wz1000	That basically checks that we remove -Werror from the dynflags
2019-07-22 20:23:50	mpickering	hmm yes I removed that
2019-07-22 20:23:57	mpickering	Why do we want to remove `-Werror`?
2019-07-22 20:24:07	mpickering	If someone set `-Werror` then shouldn't we honour it?
2019-07-22 20:24:27	wz1000	we are not a build tool, we are an ide
2019-07-22 20:24:30	mpickering	If you grep for `-Wall` you will see where it's commented out
2019-07-22 20:24:48	wz1000	we should set the dynflags so that we can get as much ide information as possible
2019-07-22 20:24:53	mpickering	but I think you want to set it in `hie-bios`
2019-07-22 20:25:15	mpickering	yeah I commented it out because it was being set in a weird place and I removed support for setting in there
2019-07-22 20:25:24	mpickering	so set it in `hie-bios`
2019-07-22 20:25:39	wz1000	if the user set -Werror in their cabal file, I'm pretty sure they don't want it honoured in their IDE
2019-07-22 20:26:11	mpickering	ok then set `-Wall` in `hie-bios`
2019-07-22 20:36:17	wz1000	mpickering: shouldn't that be up to the user?
2019-07-22 20:36:29	mpickering	I mean `-Wwarn`
2019-07-22 20:36:45	mpickering	Sorry, grep for `-Wwarn` and you will see where I commented it out
2019-07-22 20:36:56	mpickering	yes `-Wall` should be up to the user
2019-07-22 20:40:44	dxld	wz1000: so where's your latest hie-bios branch at btw?
2019-07-22 20:41:26	dxld	hie-bios-wz1000?
2019-07-22 20:46:57	lukelau_	wz1000: re https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/tree/master/test/testdata/completion
2019-07-22 20:47:34	lukelau_	I think it was just because there's no dependencies other than base, so a plain ghc project should have worked for it
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2019-07-22 21:32:05	wz1000	dxld: yes
2019-07-22 21:33:05	mpickering	wz1000: So is that all the important tests fixed now?
2019-07-22 21:33:53	wz1000	I'll just fix the situation with the flags(Werror, defer-errors) etc and that should be it
2019-07-22 21:34:23	mpickering	that was easier than I thought
2019-07-22 21:34:35	wz1000	in the unit tests department, HaRe tests are failing because of "Cannot add module Main to context: not interpreted"
2019-07-22 21:34:42	wz1000	Any idea why that may be?
2019-07-22 21:34:56	wz1000	the rest of the unit tests pass, barring liquid haskell
2019-07-22 21:35:20	mpickering	Is that a GHC error or a HaRe error?
2019-07-22 21:36:01	wz1000	ghc
2019-07-22 21:36:20	mpickering	what does the test do?
2019-07-22 21:36:46	wz1000	the usual HaRe stuff tested in func-tests too
2019-07-22 21:36:57	wz1000	rename, demote, lift to top level etc.
2019-07-22 21:37:05	mpickering	what is the "context"?
2019-07-22 21:37:15	wz1000	as in?
2019-07-22 21:37:50	mpickering	"Cannot add module Main to context"
2019-07-22 21:38:33	wz1000	I think that means the interactive context
2019-07-22 21:38:51	mpickering	I don't know why this is happening sorry
2019-07-22 21:39:02	wz1000	It's from set context in  compiler/main/InteractiveEval.hs
2019-07-22 21:39:35	wz1000	*setContext
2019-07-22 22:25:11	wz1000	mpickering: fixed the HaRe unit tests, now the only one that doesn't work is 2) HaRePlugin, hare plugin, Additional GHC API commands, finds definition across components
2019-07-22 22:25:44	mpickering	any idea why that is?
2019-07-22 22:26:52	wz1000	yes, because the srcspan in the name is only valid if the name is in the same compilation unit/home package db
2019-07-22 22:29:01	mpickering	so you an fix that or not?
2019-07-22 22:29:24	wz1000	No, without .hie files a proper fix will be difficult
2019-07-22 22:29:44	mpickering	sure
2019-07-22 22:29:47	wz1000	I think it worked before because the stack flags were all squished together for all the components
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2019-07-23 13:18:03	wz1000	mpickering: is there a reason you remove all warning flags?
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2019-07-23 13:25:17	mpickering	wz1000: Which ones? 
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2019-07-23 13:56:29	wz1000	mpickering: https://github.com/wz1000/hie-bios/blob/e14cefa883522c8e01022e2ebf48b4c4ca3ec0a5/src/HIE/Bios/Load.hs#L41
2019-07-23 13:57:21	mpickering	wz1000: That probably shouldn't be there
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2019-07-23 13:58:47	wz1000	mpickering: I'm removing all those from there and setting them in hie-plugin-api
2019-07-23 13:59:01	mpickering	Err, why?
2019-07-23 13:59:04	mpickering	You should set them in hie-bios?
2019-07-23 13:59:40	mpickering	It's not good if flags are set in different random places
2019-07-23 14:00:08	wz1000	we have to set the LogAction in hie-plugin-api anyway
2019-07-23 14:00:43	wz1000	And I've changed that to take DeferTypeErrors etc into account so it reports warnings about that as errors
2019-07-23 14:01:09	mpickering	ok, is it feasible to move all the flag setting into one place?
2019-07-23 14:01:14	mpickering	a new module perhaps
2019-07-23 14:01:26	wz1000	in hie-plugin-api?
2019-07-23 14:01:28	mpickering	It should be possible to look in one place to find out where all the custom flags are set
2019-07-23 14:01:43	mpickering	hmm
2019-07-23 14:01:46	wz1000	yes, setSetTypecheckedModule
2019-07-23 14:01:48	mpickering	I think this is different though
2019-07-23 14:02:00	mpickering	as you have to change the `log_action` every time you compile a module
2019-07-23 14:02:05	mpickering	but the flags are the same throughout
2019-07-23 14:02:12	mpickering	which is why they are in hie-bios
2019-07-23 14:02:17	mpickering	and the log_action isn't
2019-07-23 14:02:32	wz1000	this is also setting the flags every time
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2019-07-23 14:04:05	mpickering	ok, do whatever looks sensible to you
2019-07-23 14:04:06	wz1000	and hie-bios shouldn't mess with the flags by itself
2019-07-23 14:04:18	wz1000	as far as possible
2019-07-23 14:04:28	mpickering	but try to keep things as much in one place as looks sensible
2019-07-23 14:04:46	mpickering	I am just thinking of the example where `-Wwarn` was set on its own miles away from anything else
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2019-07-23 16:17:10	wz1000	mpickering: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/9e2b6595690a89ab189e59d40ba572f8
2019-07-23 16:17:26	wz1000	I think I'm going to go back to working on hie-lsp
2019-07-23 16:20:04	mpickering	so the status is that all the tests pass?
2019-07-23 16:20:19	mpickering	Can you make a PR to my branch on my repo pls?
2019-07-23 16:20:35	mpickering	Is the only thing left to implement multi-component support?
2019-07-23 16:20:38	wz1000	mpickering: no, all of them don't
2019-07-23 16:20:41	wz1000	yes
2019-07-23 16:20:55	mpickering	great job
2019-07-23 16:21:00	wz1000	There is one with hare rename that I haven't been able to figure out
2019-07-23 16:21:42	wz1000	it renames fine, but it also removes the {-# GHC-OPTIONS #-} pragma from the top of the file
2019-07-23 16:21:47	wz1000	alanz: ^
2019-07-23 16:22:22	wz1000	And I haven't run any of the liquid haskell ones
2019-07-23 16:22:41	mpickering	yeah not sure anyone maintains that 
2019-07-23 16:23:11	wz1000	also, sensible error messages for cabal file errors
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2019-07-23 16:31:00	mpickering	wz1000: Did you have a problem with the CPP yesterday?
2019-07-23 16:31:17	wz1000	why?
2019-07-23 16:31:25	wz1000	yes, I did
2019-07-23 16:31:32	mpickering	you were asking about the file I implemented
2019-07-23 16:31:35	mpickering	with all the CPP in
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2019-07-23 16:32:24	wz1000	mpickering: this was the fix: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/commit/d25984cd3ac7464ea9170ea7373ba6fb4b9bad02#diff-c37709e00e2c8f7e451fefda81cb7ff8R493
2019-07-23 16:32:45	mpickering	ok
2019-07-23 16:32:53	wz1000	I think you just copied that file from master and missed that bit
2019-07-23 16:33:46	mpickering	oh ok
2019-07-23 16:37:01	mpickering	wz1000: dxld btw I am on holiday from Friday until next Sunday so if you want to discuss anything with me when make sure to ask this week
2019-07-23 16:41:11	wz1000	mpickering: Even I have a similar plan
2019-07-23 16:41:36	wz1000	I will not be available from next Saturday to the Friday/Saturday after that
2019-07-23 16:41:36	mpickering	awesome, have a great break
2019-07-23 16:41:56	mpickering	so you want to go back to hie-lsp now?
2019-07-23 16:42:02	wz1000	yes
2019-07-23 16:42:13	wz1000	I'll put in hie-bios
2019-07-23 16:42:21	mpickering	you don't fancy trying the multiple component stuff? 
2019-07-23 16:42:36	mpickering	everything is already there, all that needs doing is setting up the hie-bios interface 
2019-07-23 16:42:41	wz1000	And I'm going to add a http server to serve the source from hie files
2019-07-23 16:43:12	wz1000	so we can have proper references/go to definition
2019-07-23 16:43:40	mpickering	ok
2019-07-23 16:44:17	wz1000	if a module isn't in the the module graph, instead of a file, I will report the uri as `http://localhost:xxxx/<unit-id>/<module-name>.hs`
2019-07-23 16:44:55	mpickering	Is the advantage to this this that vscode knows how to load urls?
2019-07-23 16:44:58	wz1000	yes
2019-07-23 16:45:49	wz1000	its basically a hack to get virtual file support
2019-07-23 16:46:16	mpickering	yeah it doesn't sound like the worst thing
2019-07-23 16:46:25	mpickering	and easy to implement
2019-07-23 16:46:27	mpickering	so I won't stop you
2019-07-23 16:46:30	mpickering	not that I could anyway
2019-07-23 16:46:37	wz1000	even vim works
2019-07-23 16:46:45	mpickering	I just managed to decode a whole heap for the first time
2019-07-23 16:46:48	wz1000	try vim "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/master/install.hs"
2019-07-23 16:46:51	wz1000	nice
2019-07-23 16:47:28	mpickering	well it's hard to know if it actually worked
2019-07-23 16:47:30	mpickering	but it didn't segfault
2019-07-23 16:47:37	wz1000	always a good sign
2019-07-23 16:48:10	wz1000	I thought the point of being a haskell guy was that we didn't need to deal with segfaults
2019-07-23 16:48:17	wz1000	but you seem to have transcended that
2019-07-23 16:48:31	mpickering	I'm sure you can imagine the meme
2019-07-23 16:48:41	mpickering	the more advanced you get, the less you have to deal with types
2019-07-23 16:48:46	mpickering	and end up writing C++
2019-07-23 16:49:21	wz1000	Michael Snoyman was talking about rewriting the rts in rust
2019-07-23 16:49:33	wz1000	not too seriously I think
2019-07-23 16:49:48	mpickering	I hope not
2019-07-23 16:49:54	mpickering	that would be a huge project and mostly a waste of time
2019-07-23 16:50:13	mpickering	Most people have never made GHC segfault
2019-07-23 16:50:38	wz1000	I have quite a few times, but I don't know how
2019-07-23 16:50:50	wz1000	I've got a bunch of segfaults running HIE too
2019-07-23 16:51:00	mpickering	hmm
2019-07-23 16:51:12	mpickering	I've only ever got segfaults when doing something I knew I shouldn't
2019-07-23 16:51:12	wz1000	not too often, but it should ideally be never in a "memory-safe" language
2019-07-23 16:51:37	wz1000	The others were all FFI related I think
2019-07-23 16:52:06	mpickering	wz1000: Do you know if there's a Tritraversable class?
2019-07-23 16:52:35	wz1000	don't know
2019-07-23 16:53:00	wz1000	You can make n-ary functors using the Functor in category
2019-07-23 16:53:35	mpickering	My problem is that the `Closure` data type is defined using open recursion, so you need a type parameter for each different recursive position
2019-07-23 16:53:42	wz1000	I guess it might be possible to generalize that to n-ary foldable and traversable
2019-07-23 16:53:49	mpickering	the recursive positions are all pointers
2019-07-23 16:53:55	mpickering	So you need a type parameter for each different type of pointer
2019-07-23 16:54:28	wz1000	Even if there is Tritraversable, I imagine it won't have many instances
2019-07-23 16:54:35	wz1000	So you can just write it yourself
2019-07-23 16:54:38	mpickering	yeah I suppose I should just define it myself
2019-07-23 16:55:08	mpickering	I spent about 5 hours last night and this morning debugging a really weird problem which turned out to be caused by not doing a clean build
2019-07-23 16:56:29	wz1000	sucks. hadrian was supposed to save us from this I thought
2019-07-23 16:58:56	mpickering	hadrian has made it possible to use haskell-ide-engine on ghc
2019-07-23 16:59:00	mpickering	so that's a huge plus :D
2019-07-23 17:01:07	wz1000	mpickering: the diff for https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1126/files is a manageable size again
2019-07-23 17:01:22	wz1000	And it will go down a bit once I get my completion stuff merged
2019-07-23 17:02:04	mpickering	yes
2019-07-23 17:02:16	mpickering	you can see quite a few of the changes are just noise as well
2019-07-23 17:07:07	wz1000	mpickering: you might be able to use recursion-schemes to write your traversals
2019-07-23 17:07:17	mpickering	yeah I don't want to depend on anything really
2019-07-23 17:07:20	mpickering	that's probably my problem
2019-07-23 17:07:26	mpickering	I got lucky that Bitraversable was in base
2019-07-23 17:07:31	mpickering	I am just defining it myself now
2019-07-23 17:08:31	wz1000	we need Control.Categorical.Functor in base
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2019-07-23 19:29:01	dxld	wz1000: looks like you didn't push your HaRe changes for the hie-bios branch: "Fetched in submodule path 'submodules/HaRe', but it did not contain 03de7522995a3b192c3a2b010539d02e753e3d3d."
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2019-07-23 19:30:03	dxld	ugh nevermidn, forgot to `git submodule sync`
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2019-07-23 19:35:08	wz1000	My HaRe changes are just deleting the submodules
2019-07-23 19:36:13	dxld	which submodules?
2019-07-23 19:36:28	wz1000	the mutually recursive submodules
2019-07-23 19:36:35	dxld	hmm hie-bios errors during the build
2019-07-23 19:36:40	dxld	ah, ok good :)
2019-07-23 19:37:17	wz1000	what is the error?
2019-07-23 19:38:21	dxld	src/HIE/Bios/GHCApi.hs:154:5: error: • Couldn't match type ‘m’ with ‘(->) LogFinaliser’
2019-07-23 19:39:25	wz1000	hmm strange
2019-07-23 19:39:30	wz1000	what are you building with?
2019-07-23 19:39:54	dxld	8.4
2019-07-23 19:40:58	dxld	eh I'll just build with 8.6 then
2019-07-23 19:41:11	wz1000	yeah, that is a ghc api change I think
2019-07-23 19:41:30	dxld	yeah for sure, I'll deal with that later
2019-07-23 19:43:23	wz1000	fucking hell
2019-07-23 19:43:25	wz1000	https://circleci.com/gh/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/538?utm_campaign=vcs-integration-link&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=github-build-link
2019-07-23 19:43:53	wz1000	why does that warning show up in 8.2 but nothing after that?
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2019-07-23 19:45:46	wz1000	I do use those record fields - for the aeson instances
2019-07-23 19:46:09	dxld	why not just turn off Werror for the non-latest GHCs?
2019-07-23 19:46:58	dxld	trying to keep old versions error clean is mostly just useless busy work
2019-07-23 19:51:11	dxld	wz1000: didn't you introduce this cabal-helper-helper thing on that branch? I can't seem to find that in the c-h submodule, looks to me like that still the 0.8 version or something
2019-07-23 19:52:16	wz1000	dxld: no, that is at https://github.com/wz1000/cabal-helper-helper/ and you have to put in on the PATH yourself
2019-07-23 19:52:32	wz1000	cabal-helper is there for HaRe
2019-07-23 19:52:37	wz1000	look at ghc-project-types
2019-07-23 19:52:44	wz1000	alanz can explain it better
2019-07-23 19:53:05	dxld	ah
2019-07-23 19:53:08	dxld	also: src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Support/HieExtras.hs:557:26: error: Not in scope: type constructor or class ‘SomeException’
2019-07-23 19:53:13	dxld	with 8.6.5
2019-07-23 19:53:21	wz1000	even stranger
2019-07-23 19:53:33	wz1000	Oh, that could be because of my latest merge
2019-07-23 19:53:34	dxld	did you not build this or am I holding it wrong? :)
2019-07-23 19:53:41	wz1000	I did not build it
2019-07-23 19:53:46	dxld	:p
2019-07-23 19:53:57	dxld	ah now it builds
2019-07-23 19:54:03	wz1000	PR please
2019-07-23 19:54:05	dxld	so what should I expect from the tests?
2019-07-23 19:54:11	dxld	still a couple broken?
2019-07-23 19:54:32	wz1000	yes, but all the important ones work
2019-07-23 19:54:34	dxld	wz1000: just add a Control.Exception (SomeException) import
2019-07-23 19:55:02	dxld	alright
2019-07-23 19:55:20	dxld	so how do we plan on merging this branch once it's finished?
2019-07-23 19:55:39	wz1000	what do you mean?
2019-07-23 19:55:48	dxld	the history is kind of a mess and a maze of merges, right?
2019-07-23 19:55:59	wz1000	this is the state of the tests: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/9e2b6595690a89ab189e59d40ba572f8
2019-07-23 19:56:05	dxld	and it's a fair bit behind master afaikt
2019-07-23 19:56:12	wz1000	no, only two commits
2019-07-23 19:56:21	dxld	github lied to me then
2019-07-23 19:56:22	wz1000	which should be easy to merge
2019-07-23 19:57:25	wz1000	it reports the correct thing for me
2019-07-23 19:57:26	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/tree/hie-bios-wz1000
2019-07-23 19:58:03	dxld	oh 150 ahead
2019-07-23 19:58:19	dxld	I was looking at the graphical version in the branch list, just got them mixed up
2019-07-23 19:59:03	mpickering	The diff is more manageable now Zubin has made hie-bios into a submodule
2019-07-23 19:59:21	dxld	yeah for sure
2019-07-23 19:59:47	dxld	hie doesn't have a policy for commits to be individually buildable yet, right?
2019-07-23 20:00:03	wz1000	nope, but we should squash it
2019-07-23 20:00:11	dxld	that's what I was thinking
2019-07-23 20:00:33	dxld	especially if the diff is not so huge anymore
2019-07-23 20:00:40	wz1000	fixed the build
2019-07-23 20:01:49	dxld	wow I'm getting a lot of warnings building the tests
2019-07-23 20:02:13	wz1000	yes, noone has paid any attention to the warnings
2019-07-23 20:02:43	wz1000	and you will need c-h-h in your path for them to work
2019-07-23 20:03:09	wz1000	c-h-h is also not complete
2019-07-23 20:03:23	dxld	I'll just add the c-h dependency to hie-bios then :p
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2019-07-23 20:04:00	wz1000	It doesn't work for multiple Main modules and I just wrote something that looks like it could work to guess the component of filepath
2019-07-23 20:04:23	dxld	component detection is on my todo list so don't worry about that
2019-07-23 20:04:43	dxld	but what's going on with the Main thing?
2019-07-23 20:05:31	wz1000	the component detection in c-h-h works by considering the the directory, and doesn't take into account main-is:
2019-07-23 20:05:40	dxld	hmm actually I was going to use the 8.8 features for component detection, so how should we handle that until we do the cutoff?
2019-07-23 20:06:06	dxld	how does hie master do it now?
2019-07-23 20:06:13	dxld	with ghc-mod's magic, right?
2019-07-23 20:06:20	wz1000	yes
2019-07-23 20:06:28	dxld	grmbl
2019-07-23 20:06:30	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/cabal-helper-helper/blob/master/Main.hs#L40
2019-07-23 20:06:50	dxld	well then we can either copy that or regress for now
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2019-07-23 20:08:12	wz1000	also, the flags need to be escaped when we print them out
2019-07-23 20:08:40	dxld	see, I told you serialization is a pain in the ass ;)
2019-07-23 20:08:42	wz1000	and until then, don't run c-h-h on anything with spaces in the filepath
2019-07-23 20:08:50	wz1000	tell mpickering 
2019-07-23 20:09:23	dxld	I did
2019-07-23 20:10:10	dxld	ugh damn, looks like the Control.Exception import needed `catch` too ^_^
2019-07-23 20:10:33	wz1000	yes, I pushed that change
2019-07-23 20:10:40	wz1000	you can just pull it
2019-07-23 20:11:00	dxld	well it's not as if I didn't alreay do that locally :)
2019-07-23 20:11:25	dxld	hm, no your branch still only has SomeException
2019-07-23 20:11:35	dxld	ah now I got it
2019-07-23 20:11:39	wz1000	yes, didn't commit that for some reason
2019-07-23 20:14:13	dxld	so where is the c-h-helper integration point?
2019-07-23 20:14:21	dxld	I can't seem to find anything grepping over hie-bios
2019-07-23 20:14:42	wz1000	dxld: look for .hie-bios files in test/testdata
2019-07-23 20:14:50	dxld	ah
2019-07-23 20:16:26	wz1000	we have permission to make it the default in hie-bios if c-h-h is on the path
2019-07-23 20:16:29	wz1000	so you can add that
2019-07-23 20:16:39	wz1000	and we can remove all the .hie-bios files
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2019-07-23 20:17:42	dxld	hmm looks like hie-bios's interface is nicely thin 
2019-07-23 20:17:56	dxld	everything does just seem to import the toplevel module, neat
2019-07-23 20:20:28	dxld	so what's this "ghc-project-types" and why is HaRe still using old c-h?
2019-07-23 20:20:44	wz1000	alanz is the correct person to ask
2019-07-23 20:21:04	dxld	alanz: ^
2019-07-23 20:21:08	wz1000	But I think it has to do with multi-component stuff
2019-07-23 20:21:39	alanz	dxld, which branch of hare are you using?
2019-07-23 20:21:48	dxld	wz1000's hie-bios branch
2019-07-23 20:22:08	alanz	My 8.8 branch uses the updated c-h, and my new bastardised ghc-mod, precursor to it being thrown away
2019-07-23 20:22:13	dxld	just getting my bearings how things fit together atm
2019-07-23 20:22:57	alanz	and ghc-project-types is the shim types out of c-h, so we can make hie-plugin-api independent of c-h, depending on what backend hie-bios uses
2019-07-23 20:23:07	dxld	I just thought the bios branch has all the ghc-mod/c-h dependencies removed already
2019-07-23 20:23:10	alanz	if you recall I discussed it with you some time back
2019-07-23 20:23:13	dxld	so I'm a bit confused
2019-07-23 20:23:33	alanz	I have not had a chance to look at any of the hie-bios branches, so can't comment
2019-07-23 20:23:51	dxld	ok, so it's essentially just a part of the plugins-api stuff, gotcha
2019-07-23 20:23:51	alanz	And I am not sure when I will be able to look either
2019-07-23 20:23:58	alanz	yes
2019-07-23 20:24:12	wz1000	my HaRe branch is basically the one from hie:master with the submodules removed
2019-07-23 20:24:15	dxld	wz1000: well then the ball is back in your court, why is that ancient c-h still there? :)
2019-07-23 20:24:58	mpickering	I removed all ghc-mod dependencies from my branch
2019-07-23 20:25:01	mpickering	but also removed HaRe
2019-07-23 20:25:09	wz1000	the HaRe in hie-bios is the one from master
2019-07-23 20:25:27	dxld	right so that just hasn't been updated for bios at all yet?
2019-07-23 20:25:31	wz1000	no
2019-07-23 20:25:38	alanz	wz1000, removing the submodules from HaRe prevents being able to build and test HaRe in a standalone fashion
2019-07-23 20:26:00	alanz	And hie:master is not where I was working, I had a c-h-new or some such branch
2019-07-23 20:26:10	wz1000	yes, but I just found it annoying, never intended to merge it back
2019-07-23 20:26:26	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/c-h-201905-az
2019-07-23 20:26:51	alanz	which uses the new c-h, stripped down ghc-mod, and ghc-project-types
2019-07-23 20:27:07	alanz	and incidentally is close to 8.8 ready
2019-07-23 20:27:26	wz1000	nice
2019-07-23 20:27:28	dxld	hmm
2019-07-23 20:27:34	alanz	but you will see it was last touched a month ago, when my available time disappeared
2019-07-23 20:27:40	dxld	but what should I work on then?
2019-07-23 20:27:58	wz1000	try getting alanz's hare into hie-bios
2019-07-23 20:28:05	wz1000	and removing old c-h/ghc-mod
2019-07-23 20:28:21	alanz	I would prefer to build out from that, since it specifically reduces the surface area required by HaRe, to be able to fit it in to hie-bios etc
2019-07-23 20:28:37	dxld	ok so I start from your branch
2019-07-23 20:28:48	dxld	and apply a squashed version of the hie-bios patches on top of that
2019-07-23 20:28:55	dxld	after fixing conflicts etc
2019-07-23 20:29:01	alanz	But for me a requirement is that HaRe is able to run standalone, which means hie-plugin-api as a submodule, or git dep, or something
2019-07-23 20:29:10	alanz	yes.
2019-07-23 20:29:23	dxld	I still advocate for the super-repo aproach
2019-07-23 20:29:26	alanz	It might make sense to merge current hie master with it first though
2019-07-23 20:29:42	dxld	ok
2019-07-23 20:30:11	alanz	The current setup with submodules, ugly as it is, does allow separate development, and does allow the project to be built via ./install.hs
2019-07-23 20:30:22	wz1000	there is a single failing hare-test which I'm hoping that this will magically fix
2019-07-23 20:30:26	alanz	So I propose we keep it that way a little longer
2019-07-23 20:30:48	dxld	well in the super-repo approach install.hs would simply be in the super-repo :)
2019-07-23 20:31:09	alanz	wz1000, the HaRe tests for me are a sanity check on the things a bios needs to do, as they have various corner cases in them. Multiple main modules, etc
2019-07-23 20:31:16	dxld	and it also allows seperate development
2019-07-23 20:31:21	alanz	dxld, my point is it currently works
2019-07-23 20:31:22	dxld	so I don't really see the difference
2019-07-23 20:31:37	dxld	beyond it actually fixing the recursive git submodule stuff
2019-07-23 20:31:59	alanz	well, you are talking about taking something that is in existence, checked out on thousands of machines (?) and changing it
2019-07-23 20:32:13	alanz	for something that does not prevent work from proceeding
2019-07-23 20:33:24	 *	alanz need to afk again
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2019-07-23 20:49:07	dxld	I can never get the func-test to work
2019-07-23 20:49:09	dxld	func-test: Language server unexpectedly terminated
2019-07-23 20:49:13	dxld	ideas?
2019-07-23 20:50:08	wz1000	are you using --test-show-details=direct?
2019-07-23 20:50:17	wz1000	which one is failing?
2019-07-23 20:50:30	dxld	all of it
2019-07-23 20:50:34	dxld	but I think i found it
2019-07-23 20:50:39	dxld	it tries to run it via stack
2019-07-23 20:51:02	wz1000	yes - you need to `stack install` it
2019-07-23 20:51:21	dxld	nah, I just replace stack exec with new-run
2019-07-23 20:51:32	wz1000	I think that screws up the paths
2019-07-23 20:51:38	wz1000	so c-h doesn't work
2019-07-23 20:51:41	dxld	I refuse to make stack part of my test loop
2019-07-23 20:52:04	dxld	what paths are you thinking of?
2019-07-23 20:52:27	wz1000	I don't know, I got some pretty obscure errors the last time I tried it
2019-07-23 20:52:35	wz1000	to do with the package db
2019-07-23 20:52:44	dxld	now I get func-test: Couldn't read Content-Length header
2019-07-23 20:53:16	wz1000	oh, cabal screws it up by output stuff to stdout I think
2019-07-23 20:53:24	dxld	hmm if I run hie manually it seems to do some stuff with stack too
2019-07-23 20:53:25	dxld	wtf
2019-07-23 20:53:35	wz1000	no
2019-07-23 20:53:42	dxld	?
2019-07-23 20:53:58	dxld	Downloading nightly-2019-05-31 build plan ...
2019-07-23 20:54:01	wz1000	what does it do with stack?
2019-07-23 20:54:04	dxld	and a bunch of other stuff
2019-07-23 20:54:19	dxld	looks like stack output to me anyways
2019-07-23 20:54:27	wz1000	In the test suite?
2019-07-23 20:54:32	wz1000	or just in the command line?
2019-07-23 20:54:47	dxld	no just running `cabal new-run -- hie -d` on the commandline
2019-07-23 20:54:58	dxld	just copied that -d from the hieCommand in the tests
2019-07-23 20:55:42	dxld	wtf why does it rebuild CabalHelper/Compiletime/Data.o literally every time you do new-run
2019-07-23 20:56:11	wz1000	doesn't do any stack stuff for me
2019-07-23 20:56:16	dxld	I mean I know why it should do that: because it's a TH thing that does IO but who told cabal that?
2019-07-23 20:56:29	dxld	it's probably some kind of first run stuff
2019-07-23 20:56:37	dxld	if .stack-work isn't around or something
2019-07-23 20:57:17	wz1000	nope, doesn't do that for me on any directory
2019-07-23 20:57:24	dxld	strange even if i nuke ~/.stack and .stack-work it doesn't do it again
2019-07-23 20:58:04	dxld	but it must be that the cradle stuff just happened to return stack
2019-07-23 20:58:16	dxld	and of course it goes off and does stack stuff then
2019-07-23 20:58:57	dxld	ya nightly-2019-05-31 matches what's in stack.yaml
2019-07-23 20:59:01	wz1000	the cradle doesn't start until you give it a file
2019-07-23 20:59:45	dxld	hmm
2019-07-23 20:59:47	dxld	that's strange then
2019-07-23 21:00:22	dxld	ok now I got it to trigger again
2019-07-23 21:00:33	dxld	apparently I didn't `rm -r ~/.stack` hard enough
2019-07-23 21:00:58	wz1000	stack.yaml has  nightly-2019-07-07
2019-07-23 21:01:13	dxld	I'm on alanz's branch
2019-07-23 21:01:16	wz1000	oh
2019-07-23 21:01:32	wz1000	that still uses ghc-mod/cabal-helper
2019-07-23 21:01:46	wz1000	And ghc-mod automatically loads a cradle
2019-07-23 21:01:56	wz1000	thats your problem
2019-07-23 21:01:56	dxld	yeah, so that would do the cradle stuff right at the beginning?
2019-07-23 21:01:59	wz1000	yes
2019-07-23 21:02:04	dxld	alright then
2019-07-23 21:02:26	dxld	as long as that expected behaviour I don't care and I'm just going to $ rm stack*.yml :)
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2019-07-23 21:35:04	wz1000	alanz, lukelau CI finally passes for simpler-completions. Can we merge?
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2019-07-24 00:27:55	mpickering	lukelau: https://asciinema.org/a/u5as8pGUked1hee92FerDBZKp
2019-07-24 00:30:09	lukelau	wz1000: im happy
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2019-07-25 00:56:03	mpickering	wz1000: https://github.com/sourcegraph/sourcegraph/pull/4799
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2019-07-25 02:05:04	dxld	wz1000: all the func-tests on master are supposed to be green, right? I'm trying to get a baseline so I'm using stack and all that but I get 21 failing tests mostly related to formatters stuff
2019-07-25 02:08:08	dxld	https://gist.github.com/DanielG/b3c8f85978698a43ba98f9a214186404
2019-07-25 02:08:30	dxld	also the tests are soul crushingly sloooowwwww is that normal?
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2019-07-25 11:36:46	wz1000	dxld: no, not all
2019-07-25 11:37:54	wz1000	This is where I got to: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/9e2b6595690a89ab189e59d40ba572f8
2019-07-25 11:38:09	wz1000	6 failing
2019-07-25 11:48:24	dxld	wz1000: on master though?
2019-07-25 11:48:37	dxld	why is ci green then? (apart from travis)
2019-07-25 11:49:59	wz1000	oh, I don't know, it should probably pass on master
2019-07-25 11:50:52	wz1000	dxld: are you using alanzs changes?
2019-07-25 11:52:28	dxld	no because they also had a bunch of failing tests
2019-07-25 11:52:39	dxld	so I wanted to check I didn't mess something up
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2019-07-25 11:53:00	dxld	and obviously something is fucked up if master doesn't test cleanly
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2019-07-25 16:35:07	mpickering	wz1000: I just tested your branch on GHC
2019-07-25 16:35:11	mpickering	works really nicely, thank you
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2019-07-25 17:08:32	mpickering	wz1000: I think the diff is quite understandable now. 
2019-07-25 17:08:41	mpickering	There's nothing very surprising in it at all.
2019-07-25 17:30:21	mpickering	wz1000: So completions for definitions defined in the same module behave differently to external definitions
2019-07-25 17:30:23	mpickering	Is that known?
2019-07-25 17:31:15	mpickering	and also I think there is a VFS synchronisation bug somewhere
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2019-07-25 18:12:04	wz1000	mpickering: how do they behave differently?
2019-07-25 18:12:35	mpickering	The local definitions don't get the arguments filled in with types
2019-07-25 18:12:36	wz1000	have pulled my latest changes?
2019-07-25 18:12:44	wz1000	really?
2019-07-25 18:12:50	wz1000	I'll check
2019-07-25 18:12:53	mpickering	I tried it on GHC
2019-07-25 18:12:58	wz1000	That shouldn't really be the case
2019-07-25 18:13:23	mpickering	also the synchornisation bug is quite easy to trigger on ghc
2019-07-25 18:13:23	wz1000	Local definitions should work better than other modules if anything
2019-07-25 18:13:27	mpickering	where the reload is quite long
2019-07-25 18:13:33	wz1000	what is the synchronisation bug?
2019-07-25 18:13:34	mpickering	perhaps you should try hie on ghc?
2019-07-25 18:13:44	wz1000	OK, I will in a bit
2019-07-25 18:13:55	mpickering	A parse error is reported but doesn't match up with the file
2019-07-25 18:14:05	mpickering	It looks like some stale state
2019-07-25 18:15:06	wz1000	can you look at the file persisted by the vfs in /tmp?
2019-07-25 18:15:15	mpickering	No I have to do other stuff
2019-07-25 18:15:25	mpickering	like.. prepare slides for HIW
2019-07-25 18:15:54	wz1000	Even I am working on my Haskell Symposium extract
2019-07-25 18:16:03	wz1000	I have to give it to richard by the 8th
2019-07-25 18:16:12	wz1000	*abstract
2019-07-25 18:16:37	mpickering	For this talk about CPP I hadn't done any of the research yet so had to read quite a bit of literature to get an idea
2019-07-25 18:16:43	mpickering	so need to make slides for that to show John
2019-07-25 20:00:34	alanz	dxld, can we talk some time about progress for GSOC?
2019-07-25 20:01:54	mpickering	alanz: I am on holiday from tomorrow
2019-07-25 20:02:01	mpickering	I filled in the evaluations today
2019-07-25 20:02:24	alanz	ok, thanks.
2019-07-25 20:02:41	alanz	I still want to have a chat though, but not as urgent now
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2019-07-25 22:10:34	mpickering	vscode remote is pretty cool
2019-07-25 22:10:48	mpickering	I would recommend trying it if you usually work on a sserver
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2019-07-26 00:14:32	dxld	alanz: hey
2019-07-26 00:15:09	alanz	dxld, how's things going?
2019-07-26 00:15:18	alanz	Did you get dropped into the deep end?
2019-07-26 00:17:55	dxld	mhm
2019-07-26 00:18:09	dxld	I'm having a hard time ramping up with hie
2019-07-26 00:20:04	alanz	its a bit project, especially when you dive into the hie-plugin-api/ghc-mod/cabal-helper zone
2019-07-26 00:20:13	alanz	big
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2019-07-26 00:21:49	dxld	right
2019-07-26 00:22:02	dxld	mainly my problem right now is I can't get the tests to run cleanly
2019-07-26 00:22:22	alanz	from master?
2019-07-26 00:22:25	dxld	and I really shouldn't start hacking everything to bits until I have a clean baseline
2019-07-26 00:22:27	alanz	with stack?
2019-07-26 00:22:28	dxld	yeah
2019-07-26 00:22:30	dxld	yeah
2019-07-26 00:22:37	dxld	I gave in :|
2019-07-26 00:22:38	alanz	what o/s are you on?
2019-07-26 00:22:40	dxld	;)
2019-07-26 00:22:52	alanz	and what ghc version are you using?
2019-07-26 00:22:55	dxld	debian buster
2019-07-26 00:23:05	dxld	just whatever stack ships
2019-07-26 00:23:05	alanz	that should work
2019-07-26 00:23:18	alanz	You need stack >= 2.1
2019-07-26 00:23:27	dxld	most of the failures are related to formatters stuff
2019-07-26 00:23:30	dxld	but there are some other ones
2019-07-26 00:23:36	dxld	ofc. i have 2.1 :)
2019-07-26 00:23:42	dxld	how do you think I test c-h
2019-07-26 00:23:54	alanz	I have hit that formatters thing too, I think
2019-07-26 00:24:10	dxld	I have a gist of the failures hang on
2019-07-26 00:24:15	alanz	trash your hoogle directory, then "stack exec hoogle --generate"
2019-07-26 00:24:17	alanz	in the hie dir
2019-07-26 00:24:18	dxld	https://gist.github.com/DanielG/b3c8f85978698a43ba98f9a214186404
2019-07-26 00:24:35	dxld	what does hoogle have to do with formatters though :?
2019-07-26 00:25:00	alanz	ok, maybe that is another, old problem
2019-07-26 00:25:01	dxld	which hoogle directory?
2019-07-26 00:25:06	alanz	~/.hoogle
2019-07-26 00:25:11	dxld	don't have one
2019-07-26 00:25:18	alanz	I think there was a PR recently to fix that though
2019-07-26 00:25:26	alanz	how are you running the test?
2019-07-26 00:25:55	dxld	I tried through stack test but I can't get it to spit out the output incrementally so I'm just running the exe directly
2019-07-26 00:26:11	dxld	I figure it should be fine since the test runner does a stack exec anyways
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2019-07-26 00:27:05	alanz	except it might make a difference as to what hie exe it finds
2019-07-26 00:27:20	alanz	which stack.yaml are you using?
2019-07-26 00:27:43	dxld	_the_ one :)
2019-07-26 00:28:10	alanz	and if you run an individual test exe, it prints stuff out, e.g. "stack --stack-yaml=stack.yaml test haskell-ide-engine:func-test"
2019-07-26 00:28:30	alanz	and you can also
2019-07-26 00:28:30	alanz	stack --stack-yaml=stack.yaml test haskell-ide-engine:func-test --test-arguments "--match \"docs do not have extra lines\""
2019-07-26 00:29:08	dxld	do I really have to `stack install` before running the tests btw?
2019-07-26 00:29:13	dxld	that is such a hassle
2019-07-26 00:29:52	alanz	I'm not sure, main thing is it has to find the hie exe
2019-07-26 00:30:05	alanz	which I think it does if you just stack test
2019-07-26 00:30:06	dxld	well yeah but if it's outdated that's no good ;)
2019-07-26 00:30:14	alanz	exact;y
2019-07-26 00:30:35	alanz	I've just refreshed my master, compiling it from scratch, will see what I get
2019-07-26 00:30:48	dxld	but does `stack test` rebuild hie even though func-test doesn't depend on it? I wouldn't think so
2019-07-26 00:31:01	dxld	I couldn't get the hoogle thing to work
2019-07-26 00:31:14	dxld	is --generate something new? maybe my hoogle is too old or something
2019-07-26 00:31:17	alanz	I may have given the wrong command, hold on
2019-07-26 00:31:36	dxld	oh it's just 'generate' nvm
2019-07-26 00:31:53	alanz	stack --stack-yaml=<stack.yaml you used to build hie> exec hoogle generate
2019-07-26 00:32:06	dxld	is this whole dance something users have to do btw?
2019-07-26 00:32:12	dxld	seems a hassle
2019-07-26 00:32:41	alanz	well, it gets done on the ./install.hs thing
2019-07-26 00:33:00	dxld	that's what I was afraid of
2019-07-26 00:33:17	dxld	if we ever want to get onto hackage that'll have to go anyways
2019-07-26 00:33:19	alanz	but I found if you install multiple times/versions, hoogle provides multiple results, which broke some of the tests before
2019-07-26 00:33:35	dxld	uff
2019-07-26 00:33:42	alanz	well, its not strictly needed, but makes the docs more up to date
2019-07-26 00:33:59	dxld	running 'generate' you mean?
2019-07-26 00:34:30	dxld	I would kind of prefer to just get docs for installed stuff
2019-07-26 00:34:42	dxld	and not having to pre-generate docs for all of hackage
2019-07-26 00:35:16	alanz	I agree. I actually think that the generate step is wrong, you should do it per project, to get docs for the actual version you use
2019-07-26 00:35:25	dxld	mhm
2019-07-26 00:35:38	dxld	so how married are we to stack?
2019-07-26 00:35:43	alanz	BUT, I think it uses haddock docs in preference to hoogle, so it is actually just a fallback. But I may be wrong
2019-07-26 00:35:58	wz1000	dxld: I think the import stuff uses hoogle
2019-07-26 00:36:01	dxld	I really want to switch CI to new-build
2019-07-26 00:36:07	dxld	what import stuff?
2019-07-26 00:36:09	alanz	Well, being able to build and install via both stack and cabal are a requirement, I would say
2019-07-26 00:36:17	wz1000	the stuff in the Code Actions
2019-07-26 00:36:26	dxld	sure but for that we don't need to run tests under both
2019-07-26 00:36:39	wz1000	To add things to the import list if you don't import something
2019-07-26 00:36:41	wz1000	etc.
2019-07-26 00:37:01	wz1000	So the missing hoogle db is likely why your tests were failing
2019-07-26 00:37:07	dxld	hmm
2019-07-26 00:37:08	alanz	dxld, at the moment, most people develop under stack. I *don't* want to start a stack vs cabal war in hie
2019-07-26 00:37:09	dxld	right
2019-07-26 00:37:19	alanz	we are an equal build tool project
2019-07-26 00:37:37	alanz	and in time should support more, nix, guix, bazel, etc
2019-07-26 00:37:45	dxld	well then we're going to need CI for both
2019-07-26 00:37:51	alanz	agree
2019-07-26 00:37:54	dxld	but this is not about what we support at runtime
2019-07-26 00:37:58	dxld	just for development/CI
2019-07-26 00:38:12	alanz	Yes, but I think we should have both, tbh
2019-07-26 00:38:16	dxld	but I really can't work with stack
2019-07-26 00:38:18	alanz	stack and cabal CI
2019-07-26 00:38:34	alanz	dxld, yes, and other people feel the same, flipped about
2019-07-26 00:38:41	dxld	I wouldn't care but the test runner depends on stack .. so
2019-07-26 00:38:44	alanz	I am ok with either of them
2019-07-26 00:38:58	alanz	Well, we can make the test runner not require stack.
2019-07-26 00:39:01	alanz	I did that in HaRe
2019-07-26 00:39:13	alanz	There is a flag (set by editing code at present)
2019-07-26 00:39:16	dxld	as long as we can agree that the tests should be build tool agnostic I'm fine
2019-07-26 00:39:19	alanz	that flips the whole thing
2019-07-26 00:39:24	alanz	100%
2019-07-26 00:39:50	alanz	The main thing is that you can develop use either of the major tools
2019-07-26 00:39:58	alanz	and to guarantee that, we have to CI both
2019-07-26 00:40:48	dxld	or just not make brain dead decisions based on environment variables one of the tools set in the code ;)
2019-07-26 00:40:50	alanz	which I am hoping we can do with a combination of circle and azure
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2019-07-26 00:41:14	alanz	dxld, to start with we make the tests work with what we have
2019-07-26 00:41:41	alanz	We are now, for the first time, hitting the zone where cabal new-build can be used to build, and soon test
2019-07-26 00:42:01	alanz	And that shows up things that need to be adjusted. Completely normal process
2019-07-26 00:43:47	mpickering	Is there a way in vscode to just restart hie?
2019-07-26 00:43:51	mpickering	that would be good to have
2019-07-26 00:44:16	wz1000	mpickering: `pkill hie` works for me
2019-07-26 00:44:26	wz1000	vscode restarts it on its own
2019-07-26 00:44:33	alanz	One of the guys in the office told me how, but I forget what exactly it is. Reload the extension or somehing. There is a keybinding for it
2019-07-26 00:44:58	cocreature	Ctrl-Shift-P reload window
2019-07-26 00:45:06	mpickering	That seems like a big hammer though
2019-07-26 00:45:16	mpickering	ok
2019-07-26 00:45:41	mpickering	the remote extension was failing for me and I guessed to upgrade my openssh installation
2019-07-26 00:45:44	mpickering	and then it started working
2019-07-26 00:45:54	mpickering	how does any software work
2019-07-26 00:46:01	cocreature	mostly it doesn’t :)
2019-07-26 00:47:15	 *	alanz afk for a bit
2019-07-26 00:55:30	dxld	ok, now only the liquidhaskell test is failing
2019-07-26 00:55:42	dxld	"FunctionalLiquid, liquid haskell diagnostics, runs diagnostics on save, with liquid haskell"
2019-07-26 00:56:04	dxld	uncaught exception: SessionException; Timed out waiting to receive a message from the server.
2019-07-26 00:58:43	wz1000	yeah, you need liquid haskell for that. I didn't bother with hie-bios
2019-07-26 00:59:06	wz1000	So the liquid haskell tests are probably broken on that
2019-07-26 01:00:05	dxld	oh is that an executable you need to install?
2019-07-26 01:00:15	dxld	I thought we'd be using a libary for that or something
2019-07-26 01:00:19	wz1000	yes
2019-07-26 01:00:20	dxld	well fine then
2019-07-26 01:00:53	dxld	the tests are still pretty slow, 572.34s
2019-07-26 01:01:20	dxld	I take it that's normal?
2019-07-26 01:01:43	wz1000	yeah, it starts a ghc session/hie process for each of those tests
2019-07-26 01:02:13	dxld	huh
2019-07-26 01:02:18	dxld	I thought it all runs against one
2019-07-26 01:02:23	wz1000	nope
2019-07-26 01:02:25	dxld	I checked in lsp-test and everything
2019-07-26 01:02:57	dxld	must have missed something, but I only saw one bit withServer call in there that seemed to span all of func-test
2019-07-26 01:03:05	dxld	s/bit/big/
2019-07-26 01:03:34	wz1000	each of the `runSession` calls spawns a new hie process
2019-07-26 01:04:47	dxld	I'll just belive you for now, the speed does confirm that after all ;)
2019-07-26 01:05:03	dxld	wouldn't it make sense to run against one server though?
2019-07-26 01:05:25	dxld	I mean it's not supposed to break if you run two commands against it :)
2019-07-26 01:05:52	dxld	could always have an option to switch back to one server per test for debugging if there is a state contamination problem
2019-07-26 01:06:28	wz1000	You can try to make it do that - or at least one process per file
2019-07-26 01:06:54	wz1000	by file I mean a file in functional/
2019-07-26 01:07:02	dxld	mhm, I got that
2019-07-26 01:07:26	dxld	I expect I'll be spending a fair bit of time debugging tests so I'd like things to be snappy
2019-07-26 01:07:58	dxld	also have to make things a bit more debuggable, right now you're pretty much in the dark in terms of what is going on
2019-07-26 01:08:19	dxld	I suppose there's the log files but digesting those is hardly easy
2019-07-26 01:08:20	wz1000	I run them once, then only run those that fail, and then run all of them in the end to check that I didn't break anything
2019-07-26 01:08:42	dxld	mhm
2019-07-26 01:08:46	dxld	makes sense
2019-07-26 01:09:17	dxld	I also have this crazy idea of porting the ghc-mod tests over to hie-bios
2019-07-26 01:09:29	dxld	not sure if I should bother though
2019-07-26 01:09:44	dxld	maybe I should just write a bunch of tests from scratch
2019-07-26 01:09:48	wz1000	more tests are always good
2019-07-26 01:10:09	dxld	sure but those particular ones are a bit of a mess ;)
2019-07-26 01:10:28	dxld	probably would be easier to just identify what they're testing and write from scratch
2019-07-26 01:10:50	dxld	I just know there is some really good arcane knowledge in there :))
2019-07-26 01:11:39	wz1000	the HaRe testsuite also has a large number of programs that exercise many parts of the compiler
2019-07-26 01:13:58	dxld	true
2019-07-26 01:14:10	dxld	but ghc-mod has a bunch of these project setup related things
2019-07-26 01:14:33	dxld	just not sure how easy those are going to be to port
2019-07-26 01:15:52	 *	alanz back
2019-07-26 01:17:12	alanz	dxld, I tend to focus on just the failing tests when working. So run something like
2019-07-26 01:17:14	alanz	stack --stack-yaml=stack.yaml test haskell-ide-engine:func-test --test-arguments "--match \"docs do not have extra lines\""
2019-07-26 01:17:25	alanz	via a shell script I have
2019-07-26 01:17:44	alanz	you can also ask hspec to keep track of failing tests, and only re-run those
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2019-07-26 02:34:40	mpickering	How do I go to a function in vscode?
2019-07-26 02:34:50	mpickering	for example, I want to jump to `setSessionDynFlags`
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2019-07-26 12:33:31	mxf	Hi *, I'm currently using hie (with emacs) and I'm wondering whether it should automatically reparse the .cabal of a given project to add exposed-modules, so it finds this module if I `import` it in an already open buffer.
2019-07-26 12:34:19	mxf	Is this implemented or do I have an error somewhere in my configuration?
2019-07-26 12:41:12	mxf	oh, I just noticed there's errors in the *hie-log* buffer, couldn't find anything via google or the issue tracker: https://pastebin.com/raw/dNGh3mBx
2019-07-26 12:47:19	mxf	(updated lsp-mode & hie, currently building, I'll report back if it still persists)
2019-07-26 12:59:59	wz1000	mpickering: that would be the workspace symbols lsp request, which HIE doesn't implement afaik
2019-07-26 13:08:30	mxf	wz1000, I think you meant to highlight me ;) I can safely ignore this error, right?
2019-07-26 13:10:57	mpickering	No his reply was to me
2019-07-26 13:11:35	mpickering	wz1000: I'm surprising no one has been sufficiently annoyed yet because tags files have the feature
2019-07-26 13:11:56	mpickering	mxf: That sounds quite magical, I don't think it does that
2019-07-26 13:12:09	mxf	ah, oh. Sorry, I thought that was a failed tabcompletion.
2019-07-26 13:12:25	wz1000	before hie files we didn't really have a good way to get that kind of info that spans across files
2019-07-26 13:13:02	wz1000	The alternative would be to get typechecked modules for the entire graph and look in all of them, which would be quite slow
2019-07-26 13:15:42	mpickering	I mean, we do get all the typechecked modules for the entire graph on my branch
2019-07-26 13:15:47	wz1000	hmm
2019-07-26 13:15:51	mpickering	That's what `cacheModules` does
2019-07-26 13:15:57	mxf	mpickering, I see, well, not sure I'd subscribe to the "magical" bit, but I get your point :)
2019-07-26 13:16:56	mpickering	wz1000: So using HIE files on the hie-bios branch should just be a matter of switching on the right flag, and then reading the HIE file in `cacheModules`
2019-07-26 13:17:07	wz1000	mxf: that config error you can ignore. But I'm pretty sure you need to restart hie to make it take cabal file changes into account
2019-07-26 13:17:36	wz1000	mpickering: yes
2019-07-26 13:18:07	mpickering	this also solves the problem of updating the index 
2019-07-26 13:18:18	wz1000	and for things like global find references/symbols etc, the plan is to use hiedb
2019-07-26 13:18:24	wz1000	as a library
2019-07-26 13:18:29	mpickering	sure
2019-07-26 13:18:38	mpickering	I think this would be < 1 day to hook into the hie-bios branch y/n?
2019-07-26 13:18:59	wz1000	yeah sure.
2019-07-26 13:19:11	wz1000	If it already works with 8.8
2019-07-26 13:19:57	mpickering	1. In cache modules, index the hie file; 2. On load, initalise a new database (put it in the tmp directory with the other build artefacts); 3. Implement "workspace symbols" request
2019-07-26 13:20:13	mpickering	yeah, it's not going to is it :)
2019-07-26 13:20:26	mpickering	Alan said HaRe was nearly working
2019-07-26 13:20:32	wz1000	alanz says his branch was nearly working
2019-07-26 13:20:33	mpickering	but probably not the other dependencies
2019-07-26 13:20:51	mpickering	At least hie-bios seems to work with 8.8
2019-07-26 13:20:56	mxf	wz1000, so hie currently ignores .cabal edits? If I add additional dependencies fe. I have to manually reload it?
2019-07-26 13:21:09	wz1000	and dxld said he was going to merge alanzs branch with hie-bios
2019-07-26 13:21:14	wz1000	mxf: yes
2019-07-26 13:21:45	mxf	ah, that's a shame.
2019-07-26 13:22:16	wz1000	mpickering: we can just put the database in the root of the project
2019-07-26 13:22:31	mpickering	hmm, I don't really like that
2019-07-26 13:22:45	wz1000	so the user can index in dependencies themselves
2019-07-26 13:22:45	mpickering	we shouldn't pollute user directories
2019-07-26 13:23:04	wz1000	It can be a configurable option, with the default in tmp
2019-07-26 13:23:17	mpickering	You also need to make sure that the information isn't stale
2019-07-26 13:23:49	mpickering	One thing I need to do is turn on caching between sessions
2019-07-26 13:23:51	wz1000	indexing the project dir on startup would be enough for that I guess
2019-07-26 13:24:03	mpickering	all the .hi files are currently stored in a tmp directory
2019-07-26 13:24:08	mpickering	indexed by a hash of the options
2019-07-26 13:24:20	mpickering	so if you start a session and it returns the same hash, it should be safe to reuse the same hi files
2019-07-26 13:24:30	mpickering	which would make loading something like ghc much faster the second time
2019-07-26 13:24:36	mpickering	I was quite unsure about whether this was safe though
2019-07-26 13:24:53	mpickering	but I was worried about not getting typechecked modules for dependencies, as you have to recompile to get that
2019-07-26 13:25:15	mpickering	but you fixed an issue to do with that, I think you should always get a typechecked module after calling `setTypecheckedModule`
2019-07-26 13:25:27	wz1000	again, it seems like we are writing another build system
2019-07-26 13:26:28	mpickering	you seem surprised by this
2019-07-26 13:27:03	mpickering	there's a reason I suggested looking at using reflex
2019-07-26 13:27:10	wz1000	Its just that I think there are too many build systems already
2019-07-26 13:27:35	mpickering	so what's your suggestion?
2019-07-26 13:27:43	wz1000	now I'm just contributing to the problem
2019-07-26 13:27:48	wz1000	I don't know
2019-07-26 13:28:39	mpickering	what's your overall vision with hie-lsp?
2019-07-26 13:28:50	mpickering	Is it a prototype to eventually merge or just an experiment?
2019-07-26 13:29:38	wz1000	I think we can merge. It makes dealing with LSP a lot nicer already
2019-07-26 13:30:12	wz1000	And the server I'm going to write can be used by h-i-e as well
2019-07-26 13:30:37	wz1000	But before that I will have to get everyone to accept my haskell-lsp changes
2019-07-26 13:30:39	mpickering	ok
2019-07-26 13:31:10	wz1000	It should make the lsp-test interface much nicer
2019-07-26 13:31:16	mpickering	I think it can be quite clean to slot in
2019-07-26 13:32:19	wz1000	I think we can replace the "frontend" of hie (i.e. LspStdio) with reflex quite easily
2019-07-26 13:33:10	wz1000	And leave the backend portion (IdeM/IdeGhcM) initially unchanged
2019-07-26 13:33:27	wz1000	and then figure out a good architecture for all of it to be reflex based
2019-07-26 13:34:08	mpickering	yeah something incremental is good to keep in mind 
2019-07-26 13:34:46	wz1000	But lets get hie-bios merged in first
2019-07-26 13:34:58	wz1000	before attempting any of that
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2019-07-26 16:05:17	mpickering	wz1000: What do you think about the `cradle: none` type to say, don't even try to load this file
2019-07-26 16:05:45	mpickering	The situation I am imagining is in GHC where you have no hope of loading tests or base into HIE
2019-07-26 16:06:01	mpickering	The current behaviour is that the main component just reloads forever
2019-07-26 16:10:17	wz1000	ok
2019-07-26 16:10:49	wz1000	base needs to be compiled with stage1?
2019-07-26 16:12:17	wz1000	we can't ever use stage0 to load it?
2019-07-26 16:15:11	mpickering	yeah
2019-07-26 16:15:31	mpickering	because it uses things built into the compiler
2019-07-26 16:16:28	mpickering	you can imagine this being used for things like haskell code formatters, which have a test directory full of haskell files
2019-07-26 16:16:40	mpickering	which you don't want to load into HIE as you probably don't have the right environment
2019-07-26 16:23:33	mpickering	I just testing using the cabal cradle for hadrian and bios cradle for ghc,  seemed to wrok
2019-07-26 16:23:34	mpickering	*work
2019-07-26 16:28:07	wz1000	can you still reproduce the vfs issue?
2019-07-26 16:28:23	mpickering	I think there are potentially several
2019-07-26 16:29:51	wz1000	what do you mean?
2019-07-26 16:31:35	mpickering	I also say one where I there was a VFS file not found error
2019-07-26 16:31:39	mpickering	*saw
2019-07-26 16:31:46	mpickering	I can't reproduce this error working on a file in hadrian
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2019-07-26 16:34:14	mpickering	yeah now it's annoyingly robust
2019-07-26 16:34:25	mpickering	I think the VFS error was something to do with saving a file and then closing the file
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2019-07-26 21:47:26	dxld	alanz: ping
2019-07-26 22:28:01	alanz	dxld, (belated) pong
2019-07-26 22:30:08	dxld	I'm looking at your branch again and I'm wondering why you commented out the entire build plugin?
2019-07-26 22:30:12	dxld	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/compare/master...alanz:c-h-201905-az
2019-07-26 22:30:56	alanz	dxld, because I am not sure we are intending to keep it, and I was focusing on the changes needed fot c-h/new buikd
2019-07-26 22:31:43	alanz	My branch was a work in progress, not 100% sure how well it perfomed on tests
2019-07-26 22:31:48	dxld	it looks like it just calls cabal/stack build directly, right? so how is that dependent on the c-h stuff?
2019-07-26 22:32:40	alanz	hmm, https://circleci.com/workflow-run/fface714-988e-4612-b3a5-6c0647748687
2019-07-26 22:32:57	alanz	the build plugin?
2019-07-26 22:33:00	dxld	yeah
2019-07-26 22:33:12	alanz	it is essentially unmaintained, added by arrowsvc 
2019-07-26 22:33:17	alanz	(arrowd?)
2019-07-26 22:33:20	dxld	hmm ok
2019-07-26 22:33:33	alanz	used via the original json-stdio transport, prior to LSP
2019-07-26 22:33:55	dxld	huh
2019-07-26 22:34:02	alanz	hence my liberal commenting out. Not sure if it will stay, and if so how it would work, or be exposed via the API
2019-07-26 22:34:03	dxld	I didn't know there was something before lsp
2019-07-26 22:34:11	dxld	thought hie was always implementing lsp
2019-07-26 22:34:27	alanz	yes, hie started before that, inspired by omnisharp and others
2019-07-26 22:34:44	alanz	and we initially envisaged multiple transports talking in to the engine
2019-07-26 22:34:58	dxld	right
2019-07-26 22:34:59	alanz	But when LSP became a thing, and the others withered, we refocused
2019-07-26 22:35:25	alanz	basically omnisharp v2
2019-07-26 22:36:03	dxld	are the ghc-mod changes for this branch on a branch for your ghc-mod repo or are they on master btw?
2019-07-26 22:36:22	dxld	c-h should just be from my master, right?
2019-07-26 22:36:26	alanz	according to the submodules, whatever it checks out
2019-07-26 22:36:48	alanz	I think I made some minor changes, like supporting the (then current) stack 1.9.3
2019-07-26 22:36:55	dxld	yeah I was hoping you remembered where that commit came from
2019-07-26 22:37:17	dxld	I thought you did some cabal-helper-1.0 integration work in ghc-mod?
2019-07-26 22:37:27	alanz	See https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/network
2019-07-26 22:37:57	dxld	ah right, just some workarounds
2019-07-26 22:38:03	alanz	yes, but that was where I was working when I stopped
2019-07-26 22:38:27	alanz	because GSOC had started, it seemed others were tackling it, and I did not want to do waster work.
2019-07-26 22:38:40	alanz	And then weird life stuff happened, and I paused all OSS dev
2019-07-26 22:38:48	dxld	mhm, no worries
2019-07-26 22:38:57	dxld	I'm just trying to figure out where to start from
2019-07-26 22:39:15	alanz	fair enough, there are a lot of loose pieces floating around
2019-07-26 22:39:23	dxld	I think I might actually start working on the bios branch
2019-07-26 22:39:42	alanz	My plan at that stage was to reduce ghc-mod(-core) to the smallest possible to work as a shim between hie-plugin-api and c-h
2019-07-26 22:39:54	dxld	though you said you have some significant HaRe changes on that branch
2019-07-26 22:39:56	alanz	And the unknown was where stuff got cached, precisely
2019-07-26 22:40:21	alanz	Well, HaRe was the test point, for hie-plugin-api/ghc-mod/c-h
2019-07-26 22:40:28	alanz	and trying to make it as thin as possible
2019-07-26 22:40:47	alanz	The intention being that it would make things easier for the hie-bios transition
2019-07-26 22:41:00	alanz	So the ghc-mod work was basically temporary scaffolding
2019-07-26 22:41:15	dxld	uff the hare diff is quite large
2019-07-26 22:41:21	dxld	https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/compare/dfab0004320c28e1aa0331a507a9428952f2c938...298aa25b74cc607a93473d3bfd7514fc92078bc8
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2019-07-26 22:42:15	alanz	comparing against master?
2019-07-26 22:42:25	alanz	which was last updated years ago
2019-07-26 22:42:30	dxld	no that's just the submodule diff
2019-07-26 22:43:03	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/network
2019-07-26 22:43:30	alanz	well, I did the update for GHC 8.8 too
2019-07-26 22:44:35	arrowsvc	Build plugin used cabal-helper to get list of targets and flags set during configuration.
2019-07-26 22:44:37	dxld	jesus this submodule stuff really is messing with my ability to read history :(
2019-07-26 22:44:50	dxld	oh that's nice
2019-07-26 22:44:56	dxld	that's how I would've done it :)
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2019-07-26 22:45:17	alanz	dxld, what?
2019-07-26 22:45:31	dxld	using c-h to figure out how to call `cabal build`
2019-07-26 22:45:43	dxld	with new-build it should be much less of a problem though
2019-07-26 22:46:13	alanz	right
2019-07-26 22:46:34	dxld	still the build plugin would have to know about components
2019-07-26 22:46:41	alanz	And I do believe a build plugin should be part of hie, in time
2019-07-26 22:46:53	dxld	so you'd probably still want to use c-h to some extent -- or plan.json directly I guess
2019-07-26 22:47:03	dxld	mhm
2019-07-26 22:48:49	alanz	but I would put it on the back burner for now, resurrect it later
2019-07-26 22:48:56	dxld	sure
2019-07-26 22:49:03	alanz	the hie-bios approach will invalidate most of its assumptions anyway
2019-07-26 22:49:06	dxld	I was thinking the same about HaRe though :p
2019-07-26 22:49:13	dxld	sure you wouldn't like that though
2019-07-26 22:49:37	alanz	agree, but it also has most of the real corner-case projects that exercise the bios properly
2019-07-26 22:49:39	dxld	how many user facing features depend on HaRe currently?
2019-07-26 22:50:02	dxld	my plan was to add some new test cases for that directly to the bios
2019-07-26 22:50:23	dxld	we really have to stop depending on our dependents to do our testing for us ;)
2019-07-26 22:51:21	alanz	agree
2019-07-26 22:51:35	alanz	but also, for me, having HaRe included is quite important
2019-07-26 22:51:51	alanz	and represents a class of programs that something like hie should support
2019-07-26 22:52:19	dxld	I'm just not sure I can bring that up to speed without help
2019-07-26 22:52:21	alanz	although, given the current flux, and multiple things having to be sorted out, perhaps it is a luxury
2019-07-26 22:52:33	dxld	I mean to the extend that it's just about swapping out the ghc-mod api no problem
2019-07-26 22:52:40	dxld	but getting the test suite working etc
2019-07-26 22:52:45	dxld	no chance probably
2019-07-26 22:52:48	alanz	particularly as it probable needs a major rework to get it properly up to speed
2019-07-26 22:53:18	alanz	well, HaRe just depends on a pretty small number of functions from hie-plugin-api
2019-07-26 22:53:25	alanz	so long as those exist, it is ok
2019-07-26 22:53:32	dxld	I'm sure once we have hie-bios merged and the component detection api figured out adding hare on top of that again would be easy for you
2019-07-26 22:53:42	alanz	and wz1000 got most of those working on his hie-bios branch, I think
2019-07-26 22:54:05	alanz	except the module graph ones, which we can probably punt for now, as we need to re-consider our approach for those
2019-07-26 22:54:06	dxld	as long as I can ignore hare test failures (if any) for now and let you deal with them later I'm ok
2019-07-26 22:54:17	alanz	especially in the context of multi-module projects now too
2019-07-26 22:54:26	alanz	yes, thats fine
2019-07-26 22:54:32	dxld	multi-module?
2019-07-26 22:54:48	alanz	the dependencies
2019-07-26 22:54:52	dxld	?
2019-07-26 22:55:03	alanz	hie-plugin-api, etx
2019-07-26 22:55:05	alanz	etc
2019-07-26 22:55:09	dxld	you mean multi-package projects, like with cabal.project?
2019-07-26 22:55:23	alanz	yes. Sorry, bad choice of words
2019-07-26 22:55:44	dxld	right so yeah if hare does any sort of global thing that's going to have to be taken into account
2019-07-26 22:55:49	alanz	agree
2019-07-26 22:56:33	alanz	and I think wz1000 has done it on his branch so that it works like that. the main tests pass, but not the multi-target examples, because of the module graph query being different
2019-07-26 22:56:38	alanz	which is fine for now
2019-07-26 22:56:50	dxld	ok
2019-07-26 22:58:34	alanz	and ping me when you get stuck, I will do what I can
2019-07-26 22:58:54	dxld	thanks :)
2019-07-26 22:59:15	dxld	I guess this is how you felt digging through the ghc-mod swamp ;P
2019-07-26 22:59:31	alanz	yes, unfamiliar code is always very disorienting
2019-07-26 23:00:01	alanz	You just have to keep telling yourself that the person doing it was rational, so there has to be a reason for the choices.
2019-07-26 23:00:09	alanz	even though they make no sense initially
2019-07-26 23:01:29	dxld	hehe
2019-07-26 23:01:53	dxld	I dunno, I didn't feel that way digging through GHC ;)
2019-07-26 23:02:07	dxld	there it always feels like there must be a higher purpose to things
2019-07-26 23:02:13	dxld	and there usually is
2019-07-26 23:06:17	alanz	yes. I am talking about the normal run-of-the-mill commercial style code
2019-07-26 23:07:05	alanz	and you are pre-configured to respect the GHC code, because of what it is. So the assumption is  "I am dumb" rather than "this code is stupid"
2019-07-26 23:07:21	dxld	I'm sure that's a factor
2019-07-26 23:07:38	dxld	but the fact is quite smart people wrote most of the code
2019-07-26 23:07:38	alanz	And I am not talking about you looking at my code, it probably is dumb. Its about looking at other peoples code in general
2019-07-26 23:08:05	alanz	vry true
2019-07-26 23:08:36	dxld	and then I come along and break all their intricate undocumented and magical performance optimizations
2019-07-26 23:09:41	alanz	yes, those are a pain. Simplicity is almost always better
2019-07-26 23:10:37	dxld	not sure that applies to infrastructure projects like ghc though
2019-07-26 23:10:52	dxld	where the performance of thousands of other projects depends on it
2019-07-26 23:11:11	dxld	documented magic would be better :)
2019-07-26 23:11:25	alanz	true, but the code also has to stand for another 40 years or more while being continuosly modified
2019-07-26 23:11:49	alanz	so anything like that has to be carefully motivated and documented
2019-07-26 23:13:27	alanz	I came across this on lobste.rs recently: http://stevelosh.com/blog/2018/08/a-road-to-common-lisp/#consequences
2019-07-26 23:13:38	alanz	common lisp has been iterating since the fifties
2019-07-26 23:14:41	dxld	have they though?
2019-07-26 23:15:03	dxld	I mean if your language spec hasn't changed since then I'm not surprised things just work
2019-07-26 23:15:40	alanz	that article says most of the libraries haven't changed for years, because they are "done".
2019-07-26 23:15:41	dxld	either way if only common-lisp's type system wasn't unsound though
2019-07-26 23:15:46	dxld	haha
2019-07-26 23:15:47	dxld	yeah
2019-07-26 23:15:54	dxld	because nobody uses them :)
2019-07-26 23:16:10	alanz	no, very well used, just past needing mutation
2019-07-26 23:16:26	dxld	I mean that is the dream, I just doubt it's possible
2019-07-26 23:16:29	alanz	I guess like settled math theory. People just use it, no need to rework all the time
2019-07-26 23:16:37	alanz	It has to happen, some time
2019-07-26 23:16:55	dxld	maybe it's all thanks to macros :)
2019-07-26 23:16:59	alanz	When we collectively hit the bedrock abstractions behind programming
2019-07-26 23:17:02	dxld	that's why the language doesn't have to change
2019-07-26 23:17:10	alanz	not necessarily cl
2019-07-26 23:17:15	dxld	you can just build stuff on top without pulling your hair out
2019-07-26 23:17:21	alanz	but I do think their macro system is a key to it
2019-07-26 23:17:37	alanz	And I am realising that TH is a poor substitute for it
2019-07-26 23:17:55	alanz	because its syntax is so noisy
2019-07-26 23:17:57	dxld	I'm in favor of giving haskell a lisp syntax and then adding a good macro system ;)
2019-07-26 23:18:14	alanz	have you looked at hackette?
2019-07-26 23:18:41	alanz	https://lexi-lambda.github.io/hackett/
2019-07-26 23:19:05	dxld	I think I saw that yeah
2019-07-26 23:19:14	alanz	all of what you have just asked for
2019-07-26 23:19:26	dxld	oh no actually not
2019-07-26 23:19:40	dxld	there is this project that is literally just GHC with an S-exp parser in the front :)
2019-07-26 23:20:23	alanz	interesting. I think sexp is actually a super-power. A lot of people just see parens and freak though
2019-07-26 23:20:44	dxld	hehe
2019-07-26 23:20:52	dxld	but it makes everything sooooo easy for editor tooling
2019-07-26 23:21:14	dxld	it's insane what emacs can do to lisp code without talking to any proper language impl :)
2019-07-26 23:21:18	alanz	but the racket (and cl?) approach of splitting it into a reader and then macro layer is really cool too
2019-07-26 23:21:56	alanz	yes. Designed as a system from the beginning.
2019-07-26 23:22:15	dxld	I dunno about that
2019-07-26 23:22:36	dxld	it's just about the syntax not being obfuscated by, ... well ..., syntax :)
2019-07-26 23:22:46	alanz	yes.
2019-07-26 23:23:00	alanz	whats the term, homoiconic
2019-07-26 23:23:02	alanz	or something
2019-07-26 23:23:11	dxld	never heard of that
2019-07-26 23:23:36	alanz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoiconicity
2019-07-26 23:27:12	dxld	right, that
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2019-07-27 18:13:23	dxld	alanz: ping
2019-07-27 18:13:34	alanz	dxld, pong
2019-07-27 18:14:00	dxld	do you have any sort of build automation for the alanz/haskell-hie-ci docker image?
2019-07-27 18:14:09	dxld	or what even is that :)
2019-07-27 18:15:04	alanz	I think it is built via dockerhub, hold on, let me dig out the source
2019-07-27 18:15:46	alanz	I think it is this: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-dockerfiles/tree/master/haskell-hie-ci
2019-07-27 18:16:10	alanz	Should probably be managed properly as a project resource, I guess.
2019-07-27 18:16:16	alanz	Or constructed using nix
2019-07-27 18:16:58	dxld	I need images for all the ghc version we support for cabal
2019-07-27 18:17:23	dxld	I guess I could just use ghcup but doing that on each CI run is super wasteful
2019-07-27 18:17:40	alanz	What I do on my local dev machine, is "stack setup 8.6.5" etc, then symlink them into /opt/ghc/8.6.5
2019-07-27 18:18:04	dxld	sure and I think ci caches the GHCs for stack in .stack
2019-07-27 18:18:32	alanz	Because at one stage there was a problem with mixing stuff between different installed ghc versions, in that the linker/loader/something would complain about version mismatches
2019-07-27 18:18:36	dxld	I just need something for cabal since we decided to test with both
2019-07-27 18:18:46	alanz	that is how I do cabal dev
2019-07-27 18:19:20	alanz	https://gist.github.com/alanz/4827e284f6136872a5d497c4243875d9
2019-07-27 18:19:28	dxld	I mean I guess I could have cabal use stack's ghcs
2019-07-27 18:19:41	dxld	I'd just prefer building ghc into the ci image and having stack using the systenm
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2019-07-27 18:19:46	dxld	*system ghc
2019-07-27 18:20:07	dxld	it'll end up being the same binaries either way
2019-07-27 18:20:17	dxld	afaik stack also just uses the official ghc bindists
2019-07-27 18:21:00	dxld	I already have all docker gunk setup for ghc-mod/cabal-helper so if you don't mind I would just reuse that
2019-07-27 18:21:04	alanz	there was an issue at one stage, because you then end up with two different versions of the installed boot / base etc libs
2019-07-27 18:21:10	dxld	modulo moving the build script to it's own repo finally
2019-07-27 18:21:11	alanz	and things did not play well together
2019-07-27 18:21:28	dxld	how? in what scenario?
2019-07-27 18:21:48	dxld	the image already has *some ghc version* built in and then stack installs another one so I don't really see the problem
2019-07-27 18:22:05	dxld	and I would have the stack in ci use --system-ghc so it doesn't do any funny stuff
2019-07-27 18:22:14	alanz	I forget. But I ended up having my cabal store, or nix store having stuff in it that was partly from the one compiler and partly from the other, and then things stopped working
2019-07-27 18:22:37	dxld	I don't think that'll happen
2019-07-27 18:22:49	alanz	Well, to me it is important that the stack tests work in as vanilla a stack incantation as possible
2019-07-27 18:23:00	dxld	sure
2019-07-27 18:23:03	alanz	which includes "stack setup GHCVERSION"
2019-07-27 18:23:12	dxld	but I don't think we're changing anything about that
2019-07-27 18:23:16	alanz	Because that is what we are trying to test
2019-07-27 18:23:25	dxld	I can check but I'm pretty sure they ship the same ghcs I'm using
2019-07-27 18:23:33	alanz	you just said stack in ci use "--system-ghc"
2019-07-27 18:23:41	alanz	which is opposite what I just said
2019-07-27 18:23:58	dxld	at some point you just have to testing permutations
2019-07-27 18:24:05	alanz	i.e. actually test it that way, not say "they should be the same"
2019-07-27 18:24:34	dxld	well fine, I'll have a seperate CI job that does $(sha256sum ghc-bindist.tar) == $(sha256sum stack-bindist.tar) :)
2019-07-27 18:25:06	alanz	If they use the same bindists, what is wrong with letting stack install GHC then symlink it?
2019-07-27 18:25:10	dxld	it's not as if we test with all the distro compilers out there either :p
2019-07-27 18:25:15	alanz	we need that for the CI docker image anyway
2019-07-27 18:25:47	dxld	if we do it the other way around we don't have to rely on cicleci's cache as much
2019-07-27 18:25:55	dxld	and it's easier to get an environment for debugging
2019-07-27 18:26:00	alanz	And we get a lot of hie issues about building on different distros etc, so I am loathe to change how we build test
2019-07-27 18:26:13	alanz	witness the long running azure CI PR
2019-07-27 18:26:14	dxld	you just do `docker run` blah and are ready to go and don't have to wait for stack to do stuff
2019-07-27 18:27:04	alanz	well, the stack setup stuff can be in the docker build file. its just used as a way to bring in the GHC, so it can be used for both versions of the test
2019-07-27 18:27:28	dxld	that we can do I guess
2019-07-27 18:27:29	alanz	we dont have to do anything more than "stack setup GHCVERSION"
2019-07-27 18:27:54	dxld	I just hate having to maintain yet another set of CI images
2019-07-27 18:28:40	alanz	Well, we have been basically piggybacking on the quayio ones, and alexey raga et al are very helpful in accomodating us, if you ask them
2019-07-27 18:28:49	dxld	do you actually have any concrete issues where differences in the ghc binary made a difference?
2019-07-27 18:29:05	alanz	At one stage I definitely did
2019-07-27 18:29:08	dxld	quayio?
2019-07-27 18:29:19	alanz	the base image from that docker file
2019-07-27 18:29:39	dxld	ah
2019-07-27 18:29:39	alanz	quay.io/haskell_works/stack-build-icu
2019-07-27 18:31:28	alanz	And the images ar maintained by Arbor Networks, via https://github.com/AlexeyRaga and https://github.com/newhoggy
2019-07-27 18:31:59	alanz	(who also do cabal-cache, I think)
2019-07-27 18:34:36	dxld	so where are the build scripts for that thing?
2019-07-27 18:34:41	alanz	https://quay.io/organization/haskell_works
2019-07-27 18:34:57	alanz	https://quay.io/repository/haskell_works/stack-build-icu
2019-07-27 18:35:05	dxld	I don't see any source links there
2019-07-27 18:36:41	alanz	I have no idea. We have just been using it, and asking those guys for updates
2019-07-27 18:39:00	alanz	https://quay.io/repository/haskell_works/stack-build-icu/manifest/sha256:caf705f673611f95035ef57a4db5bbf51d54a3cd68463326e3cafe57dec8c4c2
2019-07-27 18:39:19	alanz	but no real idea
2019-07-27 18:40:04	dxld	If we ever want to ship static binaries for users I'd be really, really careful with random docker containers ;)
2019-07-27 18:45:52	dxld	but for now I guess I'll look into setting up a repo to build the CI images with CI and we can figure out how deep we want to go with building things ourselfes later
2019-07-27 19:58:32	alanz	dxld, your investigation makes it clear to me that our docker hygiene is very bad
2019-07-27 19:58:44	alanz	And I agree we need something repeatable, properly
2019-07-27 20:00:17	dxld	I looked around a bit just not and it seems really hard to build these images in any sort of hosted CI platform
2019-07-27 20:00:30	dxld	it all comes down to docker-in-docker and that's not something you want to do
2019-07-27 20:01:12	dxld	so I guess for now I'll just use my build server together with gitlab CI since I can run stuff as root with docker access there
2019-07-27 20:01:43	dxld	it's not like the regular CI pipeline stops if my server is down, we're just talking about updating the CI images through this
2019-07-27 20:01:54	dxld	that sound ok?
2019-07-27 20:08:48	alanz	fair enough, if we have a well-defined docker image we can always build it via dockerhub
2019-07-27 20:09:02	alanz	which is what happens with that one of mine, that I referred you to initially
2019-07-27 20:09:15	dxld	what do I have to do to make it dockerhub compatible?
2019-07-27 20:09:29	dxld	I usually just have a script that generates dockerfiles and drives the build
2019-07-27 20:09:51	dxld	but those dockerfiles never materialize anywhere which I think is what you need for dockerhub?
2019-07-27 20:10:02	alanz	Basically just have a directory with a Dockerfile and any ancillary stuff in it
2019-07-27 20:10:21	dxld	ok so if I want to build multiple images I just have a bunch of directories with a dockerfile each?
2019-07-27 20:10:27	alanz	In dockerhub you define it as watching the repo, and building that dir
2019-07-27 20:10:31	alanz	yes
2019-07-27 20:10:50	dxld	ok, no other metadata files needed to do that? no .dockerhub.yml or something? :)
2019-07-27 20:11:01	alanz	Although we generally build one image, with all the ghc versions in it, then use stack or whatever to build it
2019-07-27 20:11:16	dxld	I can do that if you prefer
2019-07-27 20:11:21	alanz	nope. There may be something like that too, but not when I looked last
2019-07-27 20:11:38	alanz	"do that" == one image with all GHC? I do prefer. Its simpler
2019-07-27 20:11:44	dxld	but I generally like to just have images that have everything pre-configured
2019-07-27 20:12:06	dxld	It does mean the ci scripts have to setup PATH which is fine I guess
2019-07-27 20:12:26	dxld	it's just an extra step I need to remember when `docker run`ing the images to debug stuff
2019-07-27 20:12:31	alanz	Yes. Or just cabal configure --with-compiler=ghc-8.6.5 or whatever
2019-07-27 20:12:36	alanz	and stack just picks it up
2019-07-27 20:13:35	dxld	also multiple images mean I don't have to spend 5 hours per image deploy since you can `docker build` them in parallel ;)
2019-07-27 20:14:27	alanz	Well, how often do they change?
2019-07-27 20:14:59	dxld	more often than I'd like
2019-07-27 20:15:29	alanz	I find that with hie it just about never changes.
2019-07-27 20:15:30	dxld	whenever any new version comes out for {stack, cabal, ghc} or any debian package?
2019-07-27 20:15:41	alanz	what debian packages?
2019-07-27 20:15:51	dxld	the base OS you know
2019-07-27 20:16:12	dxld	it's not necessary but nice to have if the image build is automated anyways
2019-07-27 20:20:05	alanz	One option is to build it with nix and use cachix
2019-07-27 20:20:14	alanz	as a left field suggestion
2019-07-27 20:20:37	dxld	I mean I would but I just don't know nix at all :)
2019-07-27 20:21:14	dxld	but the os doesn't really matter, my point is just that faster image builds are better
2019-07-27 20:21:26	alanz	I have seen some blog posts about that, would not really know how to do it
2019-07-27 20:21:56	dxld	I've been maintaining the ghc-mod docker images for a long time now and it's fucking nervewrecking every time, things take ages already without serializing the build
2019-07-27 20:22:18	alanz	well, repeatable, well-defined image builds are good. For me, speed of build is not that important, because in my experience they dont change often, and dockerhub builds them, and you just pull
2019-07-27 20:22:29	dxld	I was actually considering merging the ci images and then decided against it because of the build times
2019-07-27 20:23:11	dxld	another thing to consider is download time to the build node
2019-07-27 20:23:32	dxld	if I stick all ghc versions into a single image every build node is going to have to download the entire thing off gitlab
2019-07-27 20:23:39	dxld	instead of just the ghc that build actually needs
2019-07-27 20:24:15	dxld	I mean if you're lucky circleci has some caching for external images but who knows
2019-07-27 20:24:28	dxld	across their whole build cluster I mean
2019-07-27 20:24:51	alanz	I think they do cache. And if there is only one image, a cache hit is more likely
2019-07-27 20:25:12	dxld	if in fact they do cache across multiple build hosts, then yeah 
2019-07-27 20:25:31	dxld	though really I'd expect a cache hit in either case
2019-07-27 20:25:48	dxld	unless the cache is not across the whole cluster but rather just a subset of build hosts
2019-07-27 20:26:05	dxld	per physical build machine as opposed to container or something
2019-07-27 20:26:30	dxld	but really that wouldn't make a difference either since in that case a build node on another physical machine will have to pull the huge image too
2019-07-27 20:26:41	dxld	so really it just makes things worse in the cache miss case :)
2019-07-27 20:27:38	dxld	s/as opposed to container/as opposed to the whole cluster/
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2019-07-31 18:44:52	dxld	alanz[m]: ping
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2019-07-31 19:09:39	alanz	dxld, pong.
2019-07-31 19:10:24	alanz	Or rather, pong, but I am about to leave my laptop, will respond again a bit later, at the worst around 8pm my time
2019-07-31 19:12:44	dxld	ah no worries, just tell me when you're around
2019-07-31 19:13:06	dxld	but I have had a really good idea I need to tell someone about ;)
2019-07-31 19:15:46	alanz	ok, looks like I can spare 5 mins now, will that be enough time?
2019-07-31 19:16:16	alanz	dxld, ^^
2019-07-31 19:16:21	dxld	I dunno it's a bit of a longer conversation
2019-07-31 19:16:27	dxld	but I can give you broad strokes
2019-07-31 19:16:41	alanz	ok, then we can talk detail later today
2019-07-31 19:16:58	dxld	so you know how we have to compile HIE against like a bunch of GHC versions so users don't have to deal with the version matching stuff, right? :)
2019-07-31 19:17:23	 *	infinisil is listening
2019-07-31 19:17:26	dxld	I think we can get rid of that without any nasty consequences
2019-07-31 19:18:11	dxld	basically the idea is just compile GHC's driver into hie and then tell build tools to use the HIE executable as the compiler
2019-07-31 19:18:32	dxld	i've had a similar plan in the back of my mind for a while now, since ghc-mod times
2019-07-31 19:18:56	dxld	namely to simply enable code-gen in our ghc session and share the distdir with cabal/stack
2019-07-31 19:19:25	infinisil	dxld: Wouldn't this mean people would have a different compiler version depending on whether they compile it with HIE or the standard ghc in PATH?
2019-07-31 19:19:30	dxld	but that always seemed like an accident waiting to happen if we mess something up or if the locking (which doesn't currently exists) goes wrong
2019-07-31 19:19:33	alanz	ok, that is the ghc frontend plugin apprach
2019-07-31 19:19:40	dxld	indeed!
2019-07-31 19:19:48	dxld	not exactly
2019-07-31 19:19:50	alanz	what about loading modules though?
2019-07-31 19:20:03	dxld	this is seperate from the normal HIE process
2019-07-31 19:20:30	alanz	because basically the project will have particular expectations of compiler, stuff it loads, etc
2019-07-31 19:20:35	dxld	we just call: `cabal new-build --with-compiler=hie-8.6.5 (or whatever)`
2019-07-31 19:20:58	dxld	all we have to do to make that work in the first place is move ghc's driver source to the library, which should be fine since it's not very much code
2019-07-31 19:21:20	alanz	and what data do we get back? This sounds like the original fpco approach, which they abandoned because the data transfer was too onerous
2019-07-31 19:21:35	dxld	and then for safety I would teach cabal/stack to segregate the distdir for hie's build products via the Cabal compilerAbi tag
2019-07-31 19:21:51	dxld	which currently isn't used but would be easy to teach to both cabal and stack
2019-07-31 19:22:05	dxld	we get no data back in the first step
2019-07-31 19:22:10	wz1000	wouldn't we have to bundle the boot libraries with HIE?
2019-07-31 19:22:20	alanz	but what about stuff that depends on specific compiler versions, in the project being developed
2019-07-31 19:22:25	dxld	this just makes it so we can bring library dependencies of components up to date without requiring a compiler version match
2019-07-31 19:22:44	dxld	since now we control the compiler version instead of being forced to deal with whatever GHC version is on PATH
2019-07-31 19:23:20	wz1000	how will cabal be able to solve the dependencies?
2019-07-31 19:23:30	dxld	like it normally would
2019-07-31 19:24:00	dxld	it's as if the user were using (potentally) two different versions of GHC simultaniously
2019-07-31 19:24:05	alanz	dxld, the starting point is e.g. I am working on liquid haskell which *only* works with GHC 8.2.2
2019-07-31 19:24:08	alanz	then what?
2019-07-31 19:24:34	wz1000	for that to work, we would need to provide the boot libraries along with the hie installation
2019-07-31 19:24:50	wz1000	so that the hie installation looks like a normal ghc installation
2019-07-31 19:24:52	dxld	not really
2019-07-31 19:25:07	dxld	there just needs to be a ghc installation of the same version on the system
2019-07-31 19:25:14	dxld	we can find the corresponding libdir using ghc --info
2019-07-31 19:25:55	dxld	but we already require the users not to meddle with the ghc installations, see that recent issue about deleting ~/.stack
2019-07-31 19:26:06	wz1000	I thought the point was not requiring a certain ghc in $PATH
2019-07-31 19:27:03	dxld	well the thing is we don't need `ghc` on path to match what HIE has but rather we juts need _a_ ghc somewhere that has the libdirs we need
2019-07-31 19:27:20	wz1000	how will we find the ghc?
2019-07-31 19:27:34	dxld	we can do something like what stack does, namely searching for all  `ghc-*`s for a match
2019-07-31 19:27:52	dxld	or just ask stack for the right ghc version :)
2019-07-31 19:28:01	dxld	and if it's not there have it install it ;;)
2019-07-31 19:28:16	dxld	for cabal that's a bit more tricky of course but I think it can be made to work
2019-07-31 19:28:47	dxld	maybe some optional ghcup integration or somesuch in that case
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2019-07-31 19:29:41	dxld	but the point is we don't need to deal with building against all possible ghcs at installation time anymore
2019-07-31 19:30:08	wz1000	we don't need to do that - just build the ones you need
2019-07-31 19:30:20	dxld	so the frontend plugin stuff alan talked about is not what I want to do but I think we can get a simmilar effect by making HIE into a fully fletched GHC-server
2019-07-31 19:30:58	dxld	i.e. when `cabal new-build -w hie` calls hie this would simply forward the compilation request to the already running hie process and compile in there
2019-07-31 19:31:09	dxld	that way we can share compilation products as much as we like
2019-07-31 19:31:44	dxld	but of course now ghc plugins might mess with the compilation products so that's why I want to teach cabal/stack to use a seperate distdir for HIE
2019-07-31 19:31:59	dxld	but we can forgoe that as an optimization when we're not doing any funny buissness with plugins
2019-07-31 19:32:48	dxld	uugh I have to go, my train just got to the station. brb
2019-07-31 19:45:24	dxld	wz1000: I just don't see how we're going to package that for hackage?
2019-07-31 19:45:41	dxld	I mean I guess if we want to keep requiring users to run a special install script, fine
2019-07-31 19:46:20	dxld	but with my approach all we need is a small Setup.hs change to make hie install itself as hie-GHC_VER and then users can always just upgrade with `cabal install`/`stack install`
2019-07-31 19:47:27	dxld	we can still have hie-wrapper try to match the ghc version against the project ghc version but having the match wouldn't be mandatory anymore but we'd just warn users that the ghc version is different from their project version and most things are just going to keep working anyways
2019-07-31 19:49:18	dxld	I think that gives us a _lot_ more flexibility in how we bring up user projects, ideally things are just going to match and we can use the user's ghc for new-build/stack build but if things are off we have a way out
2019-07-31 19:50:49	dxld	alanz: you have to tell me more about the liquid haskell use-case, I'm not sure what if anything we can do there
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2019-07-31 23:14:01	alanz	dxld, my point with that example is that it is constrained to use a very specific GHC version. And uses the GHC API. So loading / compiling things needs versions to match
2019-07-31 23:14:26	alanz	We also need to consider how we (eventually) expose a REPL
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2019-08-01 07:33:55	dxld	alanz: I just don't really see that as a valid point because a tool that never gets updated to work with more recent ghc versions probably really shouldn't be in hie anyways
2019-08-01 07:34:32	dxld	but I guess that warrents some more discussion and I don't really know what exactly liquidhaskell is even doing to be so incompatible
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2019-08-01 14:02:14	mpickering	Neil Mitchell left digital asset and joined Facebook. So who knows the future of his IDE
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2019-08-01 14:06:38	Rembane	We'll soon see I guess.
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2019-08-01 21:08:07	wz1000	Neil Mitchell had a commit on hie-core 20 hours ago
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2019-08-01 21:11:12	wz1000	Facebook has its own take on the IDE thing
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2019-08-03 10:22:11	wz1000	dxld: cabal new-install hie would just install hie for your current compiler
2019-08-03 10:22:31	wz1000	and if you want it for other compilers you would -w some-other-ghc
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2019-08-03 18:18:02	dxld	wz1000: I'm not sure if hie should do it automaticaly, but essentially yeah
2019-08-03 18:20:30	dxld	oh, I missed the `cabal new-install` bit, so yeah. that would just do the current one and if there's a mismatch with the project hie would spit out a warning but carry on anyways
2019-08-03 18:22:17	dxld	it turns out giving hie control over which ghc exe should be used is a bit tricky for stack since it wants to pin it, but I think it can work there too. we just have to support the `stack-GHC_VER.yaml` pattern when looking for a matching ghc exe
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2019-08-06 13:45:52	mpickering	wz1000 dxld how are you getting on?
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2019-08-06 13:54:17	wz1000	hello mpickering 
2019-08-06 13:54:26	wz1000	vacation was good?
2019-08-06 13:55:00	wz1000	I've started hacking on hie-lsp again yesterday
2019-08-06 14:00:41	wz1000	Do you want to discuss the slides for the hiw talk sometime?
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2019-08-06 14:10:45	mpickering	It will have to be before the end of this week ideally
2019-08-06 14:10:47	mpickering	but I would like to see
2019-08-06 14:11:05	Franciman	wz1000, what are you hackin on?
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2019-08-06 14:31:39	wz1000	Franciman: another lsp implementation for haskell based on hie files
2019-08-06 14:32:19	Franciman	do you have some other priorities or just doing it for the lulz?
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2019-08-06 14:35:36	wz1000	eventually it should make its way into haskell-ide-engine in some form
2019-08-06 14:35:59	mpickering	wz1000: What's the point of .hie files if you still need to set up a GHC session to read them? Is there an advantage over using .hi files?
2019-08-06 14:36:33	wz1000	hi files don't have the relevant information
2019-08-06 14:36:50	mpickering	ok, put that in your presentation
2019-08-06 14:36:51	wz1000	And I wanted to not set up a ghc session to read them
2019-08-06 14:37:02	wz1000	which is technically possible
2019-08-06 14:37:19	wz1000	All you need to read .hie files is the mapping from module names to source paths
2019-08-06 14:38:35	mpickering	you have to do some nasty stuff with a fake session though?
2019-08-06 14:38:51	wz1000	thats just to get the modulegraph 
2019-08-06 14:39:01	wz1000	which has that mapping
2019-08-06 14:40:38	mpickering	hmm
2019-08-06 14:41:17	mpickering	I am still skeptical that anything other than generating the files ourselves will work properly
2019-08-06 14:41:26	mpickering	but it remains to be seen
2019-08-06 14:44:39	wz1000	cabal can learn how to do it
2019-08-06 14:45:51	wz1000	it will have to, because for dependencies we have no hope of trying to load them with hie-bios
2019-08-06 14:49:34	mpickering	are you going to implement that?
2019-08-06 14:49:44	wz1000	in cabal?
2019-08-06 14:49:49	mpickering	yes
2019-08-06 14:49:56	wz1000	I
2019-08-06 14:49:59	wz1000	'll try
2019-08-06 14:50:05	wz1000	if I get the time
2019-08-06 14:50:12	mpickering	How many more weeks do you have?
2019-08-06 14:50:18	mpickering	If you don't implement it then no one will do it
2019-08-06 14:50:23	wz1000	2
2019-08-06 14:50:26	mpickering	ok
2019-08-06 14:50:32	wz1000	not in gsoc
2019-08-06 14:50:37	wz1000	I'll try later
2019-08-06 14:51:07	Franciman	what about the new-build (now v2-build) support?
2019-08-06 14:51:19	mpickering	Franciman: My branch now passes nearly all the tests
2019-08-06 14:51:35	Franciman	great
2019-08-06 14:51:37	mpickering	The last blocking thing is the interface for specifying multiple components
2019-08-06 14:51:49	mpickering	hie-bios currently only reports about one component
2019-08-06 14:52:01	mpickering	but haskell-ide-engine handles multiple components fine
2019-08-06 14:52:42	Franciman	cool
2019-08-06 14:52:45	Franciman	I will try it, then
2019-08-06 14:52:53	Franciman	hie-bios is the name of the branch?
2019-08-06 14:53:23	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine
2019-08-06 14:53:29	mpickering	clone from there
2019-08-06 14:53:46	wz1000	you might also need cabal-helper-helper
2019-08-06 14:53:46	Franciman	ty
2019-08-06 14:53:58	Franciman	cabal-helper-helper? lol
2019-08-06 14:54:17	mpickering	wz1000: what does c-h-h do with multiple components?
2019-08-06 14:54:31	mpickering	Franciman: How complicated is your new-build project?
2019-08-06 14:54:40	Franciman	one component
2019-08-06 14:54:45	Franciman	just an executable
2019-08-06 14:54:48	mpickering	oh should work fine then
2019-08-06 14:55:05	wz1000	mpickering: it works for most stuff 
2019-08-06 14:55:15	mpickering	even without c-h-h, you will need to add a config file though
2019-08-06 14:55:21	wz1000	it is still buggy for exe components
2019-08-06 14:55:37	mpickering	documentation for that is https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine
2019-08-06 14:55:45	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios
2019-08-06 14:56:02	mpickering	wz1000: Did you not make a PR yet adding c-h-h support to hie-bios?
2019-08-06 14:56:49	Franciman	thanks mpickering 
2019-08-06 14:57:59	wz1000	mpickering: I've just been using this so far https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/blob/1cbae7898c4fd5b006fdd2387d7a9c7c3c2c77ce/test/testdata/gototest/.hie-bios
2019-08-06 14:58:08	mpickering	ok
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2019-08-07 15:02:59	DavidEichmann	So is there a story for getting HIE working on projects built with NIX
2019-08-07 15:03:00	DavidEichmann	?
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2019-08-07 15:21:27	mpickering	DavidEichmann: My branch, should work without too much issue
2019-08-07 15:21:51	mpickering	What do you mean, built with nix though?
2019-08-07 15:22:07	mpickering	you mean you use old style cabal commands? or you use obelisk or?
2019-08-07 15:22:36	DavidEichmann	mpickering: I mean on a reflex-platform app.
2019-08-07 15:22:47	mpickering	So you are using obelisk or not?
2019-08-07 15:23:01	DavidEichmann	Not actually using obelisk I tink
2019-08-07 15:23:27	mpickering	problem with reflex-platform atm is that it's stuck on 8.4 so my branch doesn't work
2019-08-07 15:23:31	mpickering	I actually tried to fix this last night
2019-08-07 15:23:53	mpickering	old style HIE, I don't know
2019-08-07 15:24:09	mpickering	perhaps it will work if you run HIE in the right nix-shell
2019-08-07 15:24:14	mpickering	and convince it to not try to use cabal
2019-08-07 15:24:23	mpickering	however I don't know how to do that
2019-08-07 15:25:12	DavidEichmann	Am I understanding correctly: the nix build of a reflex platform app is not the same as building with cabal in the nix shell
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2019-08-07 15:25:52	DavidEichmann	I.e there is a nix expression to build cabal projects, but it doesn't actually use cabal? mpickering 
2019-08-07 15:26:15	mpickering	I am not 100% sure. I think there is some support for using cabal with reflex-platform stuff
2019-08-07 15:26:49	mpickering	I think you should ask in #reflex-frp
2019-08-07 15:27:08	mpickering	how do you do builds currently?
2019-08-07 15:28:25	DavidEichmann	well actually I'm running a script that somehow starts a nix ghci session that loads the project 
2019-08-07 15:28:41	DavidEichmann	But... I haven't looked at how this script works
2019-08-07 15:29:33	DavidEichmann	Oh actually it just runs ghci in a nix shell
2019-08-07 15:30:03	mpickering	yeah so if you can run hie inside that nix shell
2019-08-07 15:30:04	mpickering	then it might work
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2019-08-07 22:12:09	infinisil	Ah I see 0.12.0.0 has been tagged
2019-08-07 22:12:27	infinisil	I'll start the all-hies update
2019-08-07 22:13:15	infinisil	I should really automate this a bit better eh
2019-08-07 22:32:18	dxld	mpickering: hey, didn't see your hightlight yesterday
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2019-08-08 00:42:55	dxld	wz1000: you were complaining about the weird component inlining stuff a while ago, finally fixed: https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/pull/74/commits/d2fc3bf1e4091b84e97d40d9ae239e2da3746187
2019-08-08 00:45:19	dxld	deleting code is nice :3
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2019-08-09 03:22:09	infinisil	Question: Right now 0.12.0.0 is *tagged* for release, but not released yet, correct?
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2019-08-09 16:14:48	infinisil	Asking because I'm not sure whether I should update all-hies to that version already or not
2019-08-09 16:23:54	mpickering	yeah I don't know sorry
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2019-08-10 19:07:02	mpickering	wz1000: Did you test the branch on a cabal project recently?
2019-08-10 19:07:06	mpickering	Something is broken 
2019-08-10 19:08:02	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/r0MirXxv/
2019-08-10 19:08:23	mpickering	It doesn't appear to be fatal though
2019-08-10 19:08:26	mpickering	only happens after the first load
2019-08-10 19:09:17	mpickering	I'm having a hard time reproducing any leaks
2019-08-10 19:22:50	mpickering	hmm I can reproduce a very small leak during normal editing 
2019-08-10 19:33:23	mpickering	config reply doesn't appear to work too well
2019-08-10 19:33:27	mpickering	*session
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2019-08-10 22:38:18	mpickering	found a nice space leak. The `IORef` which we use to gather the typechecked modules is not GCd because it's retained the the LogAction.
2019-08-10 22:44:32	infinisil	Neat
2019-08-10 22:46:47	infinisil	Finding leaks in haskell is dark magic
2019-08-10 22:47:15	infinisil	(I know you did this blog post about how to go about it recently, but still)
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2019-08-10 22:57:44	mpickering	yeah I'm just poking around in gdb
2019-08-10 22:57:55	mpickering	and it's still hard to work out what's going on
2019-08-10 23:02:09	infinisil	Recently I've found a space leak for the first time in a program, and I just used divide-and-conquer to find it
2019-08-10 23:10:56	mpickering	must have been quite a big leak
2019-08-10 23:16:40	mpickering	If you are at ICFP I can show you what I'm doing
2019-08-10 23:16:45	mpickering	perhaps I should record a youtube video explaining
2019-08-10 23:20:46	cocreature	mpickering: I would definitely watch that!
2019-08-10 23:39:06	mpickering	woot, I fixed the leak
2019-08-10 23:39:32	mpickering	I need to back for ICFP now but then might make the video
2019-08-10 23:39:34	mpickering	whilst it's all fresh
2019-08-10 23:43:16	cocreature	have fun at icfp!
2019-08-11 00:06:16	infinisil	mpickering: Yeah it was like the only one
2019-08-11 00:06:39	infinisil	The memory amount was almost constant without it
2019-08-11 00:07:20	mpickering	yeah, when you have a big application like HIE though it's so easy to create a retainer
2019-08-11 00:07:33	mpickering	it's really hard to avoid them
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2019-08-11 03:17:21	mpickering	https://youtu.be/PL8Wjdt0cKo
2019-08-11 03:31:29	infinisil	Oh nice, haven't watched the full video yet, but you're a pretty at talking and explaining :o
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2019-08-11 03:38:15	mpickering	Turned out a bit longer than I thought but was fun trying something different
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2019-08-11 08:58:10	sim590	How can I browse in the local documentation that HIE has downloaded while installing?
2019-08-11 08:58:44	sim590	Using the command line that is. Outside of the plugin.
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2019-08-11 09:53:40	sim590	Also, I want to use some module. To do so I do `import TheModuleIinstalledWithMypackageManager`. I can compile my test file correctly with ghc, but when using the HIE plugin (in Vim), I get this error: Could not find module "TheModuleIinstalledWithMypackageManager". Do I have to make some configuration to make this work?
2019-08-11 09:54:23	sim590	More precisely, I'm trying to use https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ncurses. The file I'm testing is the example given onthe front page.
2019-08-11 09:54:42	sim590	I'm getting "Main.hs|4 col 1 error| Could not find module ‘UI.NCurses’ Use -v to see a list of the files searched for."
2019-08-11 10:13:13	sim590	OK, so I used the compiler located at ~/.stack/programs/x86_64-linux/ghc-tinfo6-8.6.4/bin/ghc to compile and it doesn't work. Now, How can I tell ghc running behind HIE to search for haskell libs in /usr ?
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2019-08-11 21:14:31	cocreature	mpickering: thanks for the nice video, that’s a great summary of your debugging process! dyepack looks like a neat wrapper around weak pointers, looking forward to that being published
2019-08-11 21:14:58	mpickering	thanks
2019-08-11 21:15:33	mpickering	lukelau implemented dyepack for me. I'll try to do a release quite soon
2019-08-11 21:15:46	mpickering	In 8.8 it will be easier as you can use -p and -debug together
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2019-08-11 21:17:17	cocreature	I guess you need -debug to get `findPtr`?
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2019-08-11 21:23:57	mpickering	cocreature: Yeah and also you get dwarf information about some symbols
2019-08-11 21:24:06	mpickering	it happened that none of the ones I was looking at yesterday had debug information
2019-08-11 21:24:27	mpickering	but if you have a THUNK closure for example you can point exactly to the right line
2019-08-11 21:24:39	mpickering	my guess in the video was a bit lucky
2019-08-11 21:27:04	cocreature	I thought dwarf debug info is separate from -debug and is enabled by passing -g3? or are you talking about dwarf info for the rts?
2019-08-11 21:27:33	mpickering	dwarf info in the RTS yeah
2019-08-11 21:27:44	cocreature	I see
2019-08-11 21:28:37	mpickering	and it also compiles the RTS with `-O0`
2019-08-11 21:28:43	mpickering	It's not that crucial to using findPtr you are right
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2019-08-11 21:29:14	mpickering	but you do need `-debug` for `findPtr`, that is the main reason
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2019-08-12 08:04:47	demo-node	Got error while processing diagnostics: /Users/centos/.stack/programs/x86_64-osx/ghc-8.4.4/lib/ghc-8.4.4/settings: openFile: does not exist (No such file or directory)
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2019-08-12 14:28:48	mpickering	Anyone got any projects which they know leak space a lot?
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2019-08-12 16:01:05	mpickering	I am trying to work out now why loads of lists are allocated
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2019-08-12 20:33:44	mpickering	alright, loads of lists are allocated just because of how strings are used everywhere
2019-08-12 20:48:34	infinisil	A classic
2019-08-12 20:51:19	mpickering	24mb of list cons, seems like a lot
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2019-08-13 02:07:42	infinisil	I'm not sure what caused this or even if it's just a coincidence, but since upgrading to 0.12.0.0 (from 0.11.0.0), it seems that I'm not having any trouble with the multiple components of my package
2019-08-13 02:08:54	infinisil	Previously it seemed to hang on something rather quickly when I switch components, whereas now I was able to switch them rather smoothly
2019-08-13 02:14:05	infinisil	I updated all-hies to 0.12.0.0, I don't think it's worth waiting any longer
2019-08-13 02:14:08	mpickering	Not sure anything significant has changed
2019-08-13 02:15:09	infinisil	Yeah I checked the release notes but couldn't find anything of relevance, so it might just be a coincidence or something else
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2019-08-13 13:38:06	mpickering	wz1000: How eager did you make the completions in the end?
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2019-08-13 16:08:53	wz1000	mpickering: the interface file for a symbol is loaded in whenever the client calls the "resolve completion" request. In vscode, this is usually when you have the entry selected in the completion dropdown
2019-08-13 16:25:41	mpickering	Ok,what do we end up caching? 
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2019-08-13 19:03:00	jose_zap	mpickering would changing every use of string to text help? I think I can start working on that
2019-08-13 19:03:13	mpickering	I have discovered the problem is actually in GHC
2019-08-13 19:03:33	mpickering	but generally changing String -> Text would be an improvement I think
2019-08-13 19:04:36	mpickering	here is the latest profile I did - http://mpickering.github.io/hie.eventlog
2019-08-13 19:04:52	mpickering	You can compare it to http://mpickering.github.io/hie-semantic.eventlog
2019-08-13 19:20:45	jose_zap	oh, that's pretty good! what did you change mpickering ?
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2019-08-13 19:39:37	mpickering	jose_zap: It's my branch
2019-08-13 19:39:51	mpickering	The second profile is 180  modules
2019-08-13 19:40:26	jose_zap	nice
2019-08-13 19:40:39	jose_zap	btw, how far are we before we can merge your branch to master?
2019-08-13 19:41:44	mpickering	whenever you want...
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2019-08-13 20:36:03	jose_zap	interesting, I guess resolving the conflicts is current the main blocker then
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2019-08-13 20:38:05	mpickering	Main blocker is what the maintainers want to do
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2019-08-13 20:42:51	jose_zap	maybe alanz knows better the answer to that
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2019-08-13 23:38:06	sim590	So, HIE cannot compile my project when I import other modules that I have installed using Debian's aptitude. How can I fix that?
2019-08-13 23:39:32	fendor_	sim590, use cabal or stack to manage your project
2019-08-13 23:39:36	alanz	hi all
2019-08-13 23:41:48	sim590	fendor_: OK, that's what I thought, but I didn't really know if that was obligatory. So stack will make sure to mark the information of where are located the libs I'm using, si that it? Is it possible to tell HIE (through an environment variable may be) where are located my libs? I understand that stack (or cabal) may be best, but I just want to know so I can always do that if I have to do a test
2019-08-13 23:41:50	sim590	real quick.
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2019-08-14 00:42:38	fendor_	sim590, no, i dont think you can tell hie that
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2019-08-14 00:48:06	sim590	fendor_: I thought that GHC_PACKAGE_PATH was a variable that could do that when calling HIE through the instruction written in the LanguageClient Vim plugin for instance. let g:LanguageClient_serverCommands = { 'haskell': ['hie-wrapper'] } could be changed to let g:LanguageClient_serverCommands = { 'haskell': ['env GHC_PACKAGE_PATH=/some/path hie-wrapper'] }. Idk. But OK then. I'll initiate myself
2019-08-14 00:48:08	sim590	to stack.
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2019-08-14 01:02:51	fendor_	sim590, you can try, maybe it does work
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2019-08-14 15:03:00	sim590	HIE doesn't work with cabal??
2019-08-14 15:03:13	sim590	I can only make it work with stack ...
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2019-08-14 15:07:02	sim590	If I do a v2-build, I get a readCreateProcess error. If I do a simple cabal build, I get no error message, but no completion or syntax checking either.
2019-08-14 15:18:49	sim590	Alright. I just saw that there actually is an error message, but it was hidden because passing too fast. I have a version mismatch of GHC with HIE.
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2019-08-15 09:25:39	sclv	wanted to point this out to hie folks to see if they think it'll help or be useful or.. anything https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/263
2019-08-15 12:11:22	mpickering	yeah that would help a lot..
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2019-08-16 20:06:12	cocreature	mpickering: I’m having a bit of trouble understanding if the stack cradle in hie-bios is broken or if I’m misunderstanding it: In the wrapper script (used for both stack and cabal) you print the working directory as the first argument if --interactive is used. in cabalAction you strip that argument and only use it to fix import paths
2019-08-16 20:06:14	cocreature	https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/blob/2058082f64e5323acc25426d1cf01f8a581376a3/src/HIE/Bios/Cradle.hs#L180. However, in stackAction you use the args you get back without modifying them https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/blob/2058082f64e5323acc25426d1cf01f8a581376a3/src/HIE/Bios/Cradle.hs#L192. Am I missing something here or is this just a bug? (Happy to try and fix it, just want to make
2019-08-16 20:06:16	cocreature	sure, I am not misunderstanding something)
2019-08-16 20:06:39	mpickering	I didn't test the stack cradle since writing it
2019-08-16 20:06:43	mpickering	so I would assume it was wrong
2019-08-16 20:07:10	mpickering	I however have tried using the cabal cradle so would have fixed bugs with that
2019-08-16 20:07:28	cocreature	Great, thanks. I’ll try to get it working and make a PR
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2019-08-18 04:50:57	freeman42y	bug report (づ￣ 3￣)づ https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1362
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2019-08-18 13:42:54	wz1000	Niki is using hie to demo liquid haskell and I'm sitting here praying that it doesn't crap itself and break.
2019-08-18 14:37:03	mpickering	Lol
2019-08-18 14:37:25	Rembane	Are the prayers working?
2019-08-18 14:37:25	mpickering	I wonder what version she is using
2019-08-18 14:44:25	wz1000	it worked perfectly thank god
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2019-08-18 14:54:53	Rembane	Sweet! 
2019-08-18 15:29:03	freeman42x	wz1000, is there a recording of that?
2019-08-18 15:36:02	wz1000	probably. check the icfp website
2019-08-18 15:37:24	freeman42x	not seeing any videos there
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2019-08-18 15:39:38	wz1000	they'll be up eventually i think
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2019-08-18 17:16:43	wz1000	freeman42x: https://icfp19.sigplan.org/attending/Remote+participation
2019-08-18 17:18:29	freeman42x	wz1000, that is epic. you can even ask questions for the speaker live!
2019-08-18 18:39:48	infinisil	wz1000: What editor were they using?
2019-08-18 18:46:04	wz1000	vscode
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2019-08-19 16:33:40	DigitalKiwi	i can't get HIE to work with nix shells i get an error like [LC] [Error] Got error while processing diagnostics: readCreateProcess: ... in vscode, vim, and emacs
2019-08-19 16:41:02	teto	DigitalKiwi: you might miss    "args": ["--lsp", "-d", "--vomit", "--logfile", "/tmp/lsp_haskell.log"],
2019-08-19 16:41:09	teto	I mean the --lsp flag
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2019-08-19 17:04:48	DigitalKiwi	i'm not sure what you mean
2019-08-19 17:20:48	DigitalKiwi	https://gist.github.com/Kiwi/55c227b77fa99700a4d763c2f3c14583
2019-08-19 17:29:19	teto	seems like it runs new-configure. Haven't tried that since in my experience it failed. I run cabal configure first, then launch hie
2019-08-19 17:29:38	teto	DigitalKiwi: try with old cabal commands instead
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2019-08-19 18:53:07	DigitalKiwi	somehow it works now
2019-08-19 18:53:37	DigitalKiwi	deleted my .ghc and .cabal (again)
2019-08-19 18:54:39	DigitalKiwi	and yeah when i've had it working in the past i had to redo my project to even make cabal v1- commands work because i always use new-* and hie didn't like that
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2019-08-20 23:46:03	dxld	lukelau_: so did you ever get a slot for munihac?
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2019-08-21 02:18:57	freeman42x	bug report: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1364
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2019-08-21 03:55:56	lukelau	dxld: unfortunately no :(
2019-08-21 03:56:43	lukelau	by the way just realised that I’m connected on another machine as lukelau_ .I don’t think I’ve been reading those messages ahaha
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2019-08-21 04:07:19	dxld	:)
2019-08-21 04:08:22	dxld	lukelau: bummer
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2019-08-23 01:11:47	alanz[m]	dxld, ping
2019-08-23 01:11:54	dxld	ppppong
2019-08-23 01:12:17	alanz[m]	hi. Been off irc so long I did not even notice my bouncer no longer exists
2019-08-23 01:12:28	dxld	:}
2019-08-23 01:12:54	dxld	what's up?
2019-08-23 01:13:00	alanz[m]	But I see you just committed to hie master without a PR? Changing the test log file names?
2019-08-23 01:13:11	dxld	nah, that went through a pr
2019-08-23 01:13:27	dxld	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1346
2019-08-23 01:13:39	alanz[m]	ok, must have missed it
2019-08-23 01:13:42	dxld	why, did I break something?
2019-08-23 01:14:17	freeman42x	working on this, mainly suggesting to use HIE haha: https://github.com/razvan-panda/haskell-editor-setup
2019-08-23 01:15:05	alanz[m]	dxld: I know I make use of testing where you look at a specific test log file
2019-08-23 01:15:20	dxld	alanz[m]: which of you, my mentor guys, is going to do the final review thing btw?
2019-08-23 01:15:22	alanz[m]	so putting all the test logs in one file makes it harder to track down
2019-08-23 01:15:37	dxld	they were already all in one file.. no?
2019-08-23 01:16:17	dxld	feel free to revert that bit though, I totally forgot that was in that pr anyways
2019-08-23 01:16:43	alanz[m]	dxld, I have not run it for a while, tbh. Not sure where the other test log file names get set up
2019-08-23 01:17:07	dxld	when I looked at the code I was convinced there'd only ever be func-test.log (or whatever it's called)
2019-08-23 01:17:22	dxld	because that filename is set in one of the common modules
2019-08-23 01:18:50	alanz[m]	ok, I have other log files (main.log, plugin-dispatcher.log etc). But that name change does not clash, so no problem
2019-08-23 01:19:50	dxld	the whole test situation needs a bit of an overhaul imo
2019-08-23 01:20:10	dxld	i spent way too much time mystified by random test failures without any indication what's going on
2019-08-23 01:20:40	alanz[m]	That makes sense
2019-08-23 01:21:12	alanz[m]	those sorts of things tend to grow piecemeal, and do not always get a rework as often as they should
2019-08-23 01:21:24	dxld	yeah
2019-08-23 01:21:42	dxld	that's why I'm giving you the feedback that it sucks currently :p
2019-08-23 01:22:09	dxld	at least with the ghc-mod tests I had the logs inline with test output so you could corrolate what belongs to which test
2019-08-23 01:22:35	dxld	also not very nice but it worked ;)
2019-08-23 01:23:04	alanz[m]	agree. But the idea is that the tests should not always need to logs for debugginh
2019-08-23 01:23:24	alanz[m]	and I tend to run hspec with a --match when there is a problem, so the log is manageable
2019-08-23 01:23:26	dxld	true
2019-08-23 01:23:41	dxld	but then again I like to optimize for the people that have to spend more time with the tests
2019-08-23 01:23:54	dxld	i.e. the ones debugging failures :)
2019-08-23 01:24:15	dxld	but whatevs
2019-08-23 01:24:40	alanz[m]	yes, agree. Good test process is vital, to encourage contributions
2019-08-23 01:25:02	dxld	and boy do we need contributors
2019-08-23 01:25:09	dxld	are you at icfp?
2019-08-23 01:25:20	alanz[m]	I wish. Envious as hell.
2019-08-23 01:25:28	dxld	me too
2019-08-23 01:25:39	alanz[m]	but hopefully in future again.
2019-08-23 01:25:46	dxld	at least I have munihac coming up in september
2019-08-23 01:26:19	alanz[m]	But right now still dealing with other random stuff, so have not touched OSS stuff for months
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2019-08-23 01:27:20	alanz[m]	I can start thinking about EU stuff being easy from the end of the year, at least
2019-08-23 01:28:11	dxld	how so?
2019-08-23 01:28:33	dxld	don't tell me south africa is doing a saxit :)
2019-08-23 01:28:53	dxld	or would it be a sajoin? ;)
2019-08-23 01:30:47	alanz[m]	well, travel from UK will be closer, since I will be living there
2019-08-23 01:31:25	dxld	let's just hope you don't have to go through an offline visa process to get in the EU after brexit
2019-08-23 01:32:00	alanz[m]	Well, as an SA citizen I have to do that already, so it wont change for me regardless
2019-08-23 01:32:16	dxld	ah well, that's alright then
2019-08-23 01:33:10	dxld	where in the uk are you moving to again?
2019-08-23 01:33:17	dxld	don't remember if you said
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2019-08-23 01:38:47	alanz[m]	London
2019-08-23 01:39:09	dxld	right
2019-08-23 01:39:17	alanz[m]	Provided nothing trips up in the next few weeks
2019-08-23 01:39:18	dxld	I can come visit super cheap then :)
2019-08-23 01:39:40	alanz[m]	You can have a piece of my carpet
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2019-08-23 01:40:39	dxld	I would offer some carpet but mine is filthy :)
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2019-08-23 01:41:21	alanz[m]	I have no idea what mine will look like yet. Lots to sort out
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2019-08-23 06:26:14	freeman42x	does any of you guys use HIE inside Emacs? I would need a simple init.el configuration to help me set it up
2019-08-23 06:32:35	dxld	I have an init.el I setup for debugging at some point, not sure that'd be much use though
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2019-08-23 06:52:28	DigitalKiwi	i use doom-emacs and i think it's just (haskell +lsp) 
2019-08-23 06:53:08	DigitalKiwi	which is only helpful i guess if you use doom-emacs...which i like a lot
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2019-08-23 11:08:49	wz1000	mpickering: how do I load ghc with hie-bios?
2019-08-23 11:09:12	wz1000	do I need a .hie-bios file?
2019-08-23 11:09:19	wz1000	or will it just work?
2019-08-23 11:14:30	mpickering	You need a .hie-bios file
2019-08-23 11:15:07	mpickering	I sent instructions on the mailing list
2019-08-23 11:16:21	wz1000	found it
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2019-08-23 15:17:15	mpickering	good talk by Zubin at HIW
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2019-08-23 15:20:58	fendor	mpickering, link?
2019-08-23 15:21:04	mpickering	it just happened
2019-08-23 15:21:44	fendor	dammit
2019-08-23 15:21:59	fendor	:(
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2019-08-23 20:11:35	fresheyeball	hey folks
2019-08-23 20:11:42	fresheyeball	I am trying to get hie running with my nix setup
2019-08-23 20:11:53	fresheyeball	and cannot get it find my packages for some reason
2019-08-23 20:12:18	fresheyeball	it just crashes on cannot satisfy -package-id HTTP-4000.3.12-4Am5EwcpIdvAfNOtgT39nL
2019-08-23 20:12:34	fresheyeball	I followed the docs and removed any dist folders or .ghc stuff
2019-08-23 20:12:36	fresheyeball	and no luck
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2019-08-23 20:20:43	dxld	fresheyeball: are there any ghc version mismatch warnings in the log?
2019-08-23 20:20:58	dxld	at least I think we just log a warning for that
2019-08-23 20:23:42	fresheyeball	dxld: ghc versions match, and I see no errors in stdout beyond the one I stated
2019-08-23 20:24:48	dxld	what build system is this? stack? cabal? cabal new-build?
2019-08-23 20:25:00	fresheyeball	I use cabal new-build
2019-08-23 20:31:21	dxld	hmm well that could be the problem
2019-08-23 20:31:35	dxld	the support for that is very hacky at the moment
2019-08-23 20:33:02	dxld	then again I still think this must be some sort of ghc mismatch
2019-08-23 20:33:20	dxld	I mean you did a full build of your project already, right?
2019-08-23 20:33:44	dxld	so all the dependencies should be installed
2019-08-23 20:34:04	fresheyeball	dxld: I can do a full build of my project
2019-08-23 20:34:08	fresheyeball	inside the nix-shell
2019-08-23 20:34:09	fresheyeball	with cabal build
2019-08-23 20:34:15	fresheyeball	or cabal new-build
2019-08-23 20:34:16	fresheyeball	either works
2019-08-23 20:34:39	dxld	well those aren't really interchangable
2019-08-23 20:34:54	dxld	you'd have to use the same build system hie is trying to use
2019-08-23 20:34:56	fresheyeball	dxld: I am just saying both commands result in a successful build
2019-08-23 20:35:16	dxld	yeah no, that's not what I was saying
2019-08-23 20:35:47	dxld	the package not being there usually means it's actually not there :)
2019-08-23 20:36:08	fresheyeball	dxld: I don't understand how it could not be there given that cabal finds it no problem
2019-08-23 20:36:10	dxld	so either you have a ghc version mismatch going on, i.e hie is looking in the wrong place for the installed packages
2019-08-23 20:36:25	dxld	or you just actually didn't build the dependencies yet
2019-08-23 20:36:29	dxld	mhm
2019-08-23 20:36:49	dxld	there are likely still problems with bringing stuff up to date automatically in hie
2019-08-23 20:37:04	dxld	so don't think just because cabal can build everything that means hie is good with that
2019-08-23 20:37:41	dxld	you might have everything built already and then hie should be able to work with that
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2019-08-23 20:37:46	fresheyeball	dxld: https://www.lpaste.com/b5UvJqRUsR
2019-08-23 20:38:16	infinisil	fresheyeball: Well first I'd try not using new-build, getting rid of the files it creates like dist-newstyle and .env files
2019-08-23 20:39:02	fresheyeball	infinisil: ok I did an rm -r dist*
2019-08-23 20:39:08	fresheyeball	I have no .env files
2019-08-23 20:39:14	fresheyeball	and am running `cabal build`
2019-08-23 20:40:43	infinisil	I mean .ghc.environment-blablabla files
2019-08-23 20:40:55	fresheyeball	infinisil: yup, nuked me
2019-08-23 20:40:59	fresheyeball	nuked -em
2019-08-23 20:41:02	fresheyeball	nuked 'em
2019-08-23 20:41:11	fresheyeball	holy hell my fingers have the dumb today
2019-08-23 20:41:40	infinisil	Are you sure that your editor has nix-shell's environment?
2019-08-23 20:42:12	fresheyeball	infinisil: I am opening nvim inside the nix-shell
2019-08-23 20:42:41	fresheyeball	still waiting on my compile
2019-08-23 20:42:49	fresheyeball	new-build is so much faster, not sure shy
2019-08-23 20:42:51	fresheyeball	why*
2019-08-23 20:43:07	infinisil	Huh, aren't you in the nix-shell with all the dependencies already?
2019-08-23 20:43:28	fresheyeball	infinisil: yes, I don't even have ghc installed globally, everything but hie is provided by the nix-shell
2019-08-23 20:43:34	infinisil	Ah, it's not the dependencies that are building but the project itself
2019-08-23 20:43:41	fresheyeball	infinisil: yes
2019-08-23 20:47:47	fresheyeball	I forgot how the old style build punishes one core
2019-08-23 20:48:09	dxld	no -j?
2019-08-23 20:48:31	fresheyeball	dxld: let me try that!
2019-08-23 20:54:44	fresheyeball	still punishing one core
2019-08-23 20:54:48	fresheyeball	almost done though
2019-08-23 20:54:51	fresheyeball	no worries
2019-08-23 20:55:06	dxld	*shrug*
2019-08-23 20:55:18	dxld	I don't even remember v1-build's quircks :)
2019-08-23 20:58:58	fresheyeball	ok it built
2019-08-23 20:59:19	fresheyeball	same error
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2019-08-23 21:07:14	infinisil	It built successfully?
2019-08-23 21:07:19	fresheyeball	yes
2019-08-23 21:08:19	infinisil	Well https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#cannot-satisfy--package-id-package suggests that cabal update might help
2019-08-23 21:08:45	fresheyeball	infinisil: cabal update shows it is upto date
2019-08-23 21:09:25	infinisil	Maybe try removing ~/.cabal? (or just moving it to ~/.cabal-old)
2019-08-23 21:09:39	infinisil	Just randomly guessing here
2019-08-23 21:09:49	fresheyeball	I don't have a ~/.cabal folder
2019-08-23 21:10:01	dxld	can you just paste the whole hie log somewhere?
2019-08-23 21:10:02	fresheyeball	yeah I am at a loss
2019-08-23 21:10:02	infinisil	Huh
2019-08-23 21:10:10	fresheyeball	where can I find the whole log?
2019-08-23 21:10:15	dxld	not sure :)
2019-08-23 21:10:21	dxld	depends on the ide/editor
2019-08-23 21:10:32	fresheyeball	I am using nvim with SpaceVim
2019-08-23 21:10:42	dxld	I mean the stuff that ends up on stdout/stderr of the hie process
2019-08-23 21:13:10	fresheyeball	I am not sure how to capture that
2019-08-23 21:14:10	dxld	hmm
2019-08-23 21:14:27	dxld	did you check the docs of your lsp implementation?
2019-08-23 21:14:47	dxld	alternatively just make a dumb shell wrapper that pipes the log somewhere :)
2019-08-23 21:16:09	fresheyeball	https://github.com/SpaceVim/LanguageClient-neovim
2019-08-23 21:16:11	fresheyeball	I am looking
2019-08-23 21:16:12	dxld	something like "#/bin/sh\nexec hie 2>&1 | tee /tmp/hie.log\n", call that 'hie', put it on PATH etc. you know the drill I assume
2019-08-23 21:16:32	dxld	oh actually, exec wont work because of the pipe
2019-08-23 21:16:42	dxld	also replace the hie there with the full path
2019-08-23 21:17:12	dxld	ah crap stdout has all the lsp proto stuff so that's just not going to work, hang on
2019-08-23 21:22:56	dxld	ugh, this is tricky
2019-08-23 21:26:16	dxld	ah! with a non-posix shell it's easy
2019-08-23 21:26:30	dxld	/full/path/to/hie 2> >(tee /tmp/hie.log >&2)
2019-08-23 21:26:40	dxld	stick that in a shell script with #!/bin/bash
2019-08-23 21:27:44	dxld	and make your lsp client use that instead of the hie executable
2019-08-23 21:27:59	fresheyeball	dxld: will do, but it will have to be later today
2019-08-23 21:28:00	dxld	either with PATH fiddling or by just configuring the path to the exe if you can 
2019-08-23 21:28:05	fresheyeball	duty calls
2019-08-23 21:28:12	dxld	sure
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2019-08-24 00:25:58	lukelau	mpickering: i just checked the dates and im away those dates as well. hopefully next year though!
2019-08-24 00:26:01	lukelau	how was icfp by the way?
2019-08-24 00:26:42	mpickering	Good. On our way back now
2019-08-24 00:27:11	mpickering	I tried to demo ghc-debug but it I ran it on the wrong executable
2019-08-24 00:27:30	mpickering	Because I showed wz1000 about using gdb
2019-08-24 00:27:47	lukelau	ahaha
2019-08-24 00:27:49	mpickering	And forgot to change it back after
2019-08-24 00:28:00	lukelau	live demos are living proof of murphys law
2019-08-24 00:30:37	lukelau	by the way i just saw the entire barrage of issues against lsp-test
2019-08-24 00:30:43	lukelau	need to take a look at them this weekend
2019-08-24 00:31:13	lukelau	i need to check my github email notification settings, they seem to have stopped
2019-08-24 00:41:42	mpickering	I was trying to replay a recorded session to profile it
2019-08-24 00:42:04	mpickering	Which was harder than necessary
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2019-08-24 02:39:25	dxld	wz1000: ping
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2019-08-24 05:00:57	lukelau	mpickering: yeah the replay module of lsp-test is pretty dodgy, I havent used it in a long while
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2019-08-24 16:06:34	lukelau	cocreature: I’ve pushed lsp-test-0.6.1.0 which has your PR, thanks!
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2019-08-24 18:15:20	cocreature	lukelau: thank you!
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2019-08-25 02:49:51	mpickering	https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=aeB8hiZAdAU
2019-08-25 03:15:00	alanz	added to my queue
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2019-08-25 03:19:48	lukelau	alanz: is https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/178/ good to merge?
2019-08-25 03:20:01	lukelau	same with https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/179
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2019-08-25 04:50:03	alanz	lukelau, will look in the morning
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2019-08-25 17:33:16	lukelau	alanz: woops
2019-08-25 17:33:36	lukelau	I thought we had CI running on PRs?
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2019-08-25 18:01:10	alanz	lukelau, I think we did, but the actual problem is that both PRs added a field to the capabilities. So the default got an extra Nothing for each, but it only added one
2019-08-25 18:01:30	lukelau	Ah right
2019-08-25 18:01:41	alanz	Which was the compile error. But also there was a warning about a missing match, which was calling the handler for the prepareRename
2019-08-25 18:01:46	alanz	so I added that too
2019-08-25 18:02:18	lukelau	I wonder if there’s an option to get circleci to rerun when the merge destination changes
2019-08-25 18:02:22	alanz	btw, that codeactions one, it worries me slightly that the capability is being set via a separate bool in the settings, rather than from the fact that there is a handler
2019-08-25 18:02:38	alanz	probably, I did not look that closely
2019-08-25 18:03:08	alanz	BTW, given my spotty attendance to these things, if you are happy with PRs you should just merger them. i.e. become co-maintainer
2019-08-25 18:03:44	alanz	I don't want things to be held up because I am not paying attention, and you are on the ball with what is required, *and* need to update lsp-test
2019-08-25 18:03:48	alanz	to match
2019-08-25 18:04:22	lukelau	my attendance has been pretty spotty likewise. Its been a while since ive looked at the haskell-lsp code so just wanted to get a second pair of eyes over those PRs haha
2019-08-25 18:05:23	alanz	ok, no problem. Still on the intern block, I guess
2019-08-25 18:05:46	lukelau	Just finished up on friday, so I told myself its time to start getting back into the swing of things here
2019-08-25 18:06:16	lukelau	But it looks like things have been pretty active on the hie front
2019-08-25 18:06:17	alanz	ok, nice
2019-08-25 18:06:25	lukelau	100 something unread github notifications 💀 
2019-08-25 18:07:02	alanz	I think so. I was hoping to get some solid results on the hie-bios / bios side of things.  And there are a number of approaches there
2019-08-25 18:07:16	alanz	but I have not had time to look at any of them.
2019-08-25 18:07:48	alanz	dxld has made good progress on the general background stuff to make tooling work better. Focusing on getting changes into the upstreams, which makes the most sense
2019-08-25 18:08:15	lukelau	Nice
2019-08-25 18:08:27	lukelau	What upstreams has he been working on?
2019-08-25 18:08:32	alanz	so we will start reaping the benefits as we move forward.
2019-08-25 18:08:38	alanz	GHC, cabal, stack
2019-08-25 18:08:44	alanz	and also cabal-helper
2019-08-25 18:09:56	alanz	And we also have the whole .hie file stuff that wz1000 has been bringing in, and via is support for lsif. And mpickering driving both of those hard
2019-08-25 18:09:58	lukelau	Wow those are very upstream. I think thats the right approach though
2019-08-25 18:10:02	alanz	agree
2019-08-25 18:10:16	lukelau	we have enough hacks for cabal/stack as is at the moment
2019-08-25 18:10:31	lukelau	8.8 is just around the corner right?
2019-08-25 18:10:39	alanz	There was a discussion about focusing on current and future, and not trying to maintain backward compatibility forever
2019-08-25 18:11:07	alanz	8.8 is about a year late, by my reckoning. I think it is waiting for a cabal-install release
2019-08-25 18:11:42	alanz	My view at the moment is we need to put a clear vision down about how things *should* be, and work toward that
2019-08-25 18:12:24	alanz	There are enough other tools out there to help on various bits and pieces, and people working on older stuff wrote that code before hie existed anyway, so have a process that works already
2019-08-25 18:12:52	alanz	And there is enough complexity just focusing on current/future already
2019-08-25 18:13:30	lukelau	Yeah. The general demographic of use cases for hie are going to fairly “cutting-edge”
2019-08-25 18:13:38	lukelau	i.e. not using ghc 7.10
2019-08-25 18:13:43	lukelau	Or whatever
2019-08-25 18:13:52	alanz	exactly
2019-08-25 18:14:07	alanz	And I think we are likely to abandon 8.2.2 fairly soon too.
2019-08-25 18:14:28	alanz	It is already running much older versions of pretty much everything
2019-08-25 18:14:29	lukelau	I tried out github actions yesterday and couldn’t even get it to build since its stuck on some ancient ghc 7.x verison from some ubuntu LTS
2019-08-25 18:15:10	alanz	I think modern compilers move faster than packaging systems do
2019-08-25 18:15:34	alanz	so you have to use some compiler-specific distribution mechanism
2019-08-25 18:15:50	alanz	be that hvr's apt repo, stack setup, nix, or whatever
2019-08-25 18:18:47	lukelau	Hopefully once we get the new c-h in and we unblock static binaries, we can start shipping about hie alongside these distributions
2019-08-25 18:24:23	alanz	sounds good
2019-08-25 18:44:51	lukelau	dxld: being able to test with cabal v2-test is great, thanks for that!
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2019-08-25 21:41:29	dxld	lukelau: does that actually work for you? I could never get all the tests to pass :)
2019-08-25 21:41:48	dxld	when the hie it runs agains is built by v2 as well anyways
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2019-08-26 00:39:00	lukelau	dxld: worked for me this morning, but perhaps it was running the wrong version of hie
2019-08-26 00:39:13	lukelau	either way it doesn’t hang forever now which is nice 👍 
2019-08-26 00:41:36	lukelau	Looks like circleci now also supports windows https://circleci.com/build-environments/windows/
2019-08-26 00:50:14	mpickering	nice
2019-08-26 00:50:25	mpickering	lukelau: Is this dyepack PR done?
2019-08-26 00:51:50	lukelau	I couldn’t really figure out how to do the recurse dyeing, I’m not familiar enough with generics
2019-08-26 00:51:57	lukelau	For now though its a start I guess
2019-08-26 00:52:01	mpickering	ok that's fine
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2019-08-26 02:08:53	mpickering	lukelau: I did a release fwiw
2019-08-26 02:09:01	mpickering	Not going to publicise it yet
2019-08-26 02:09:07	lukelau	nice!
2019-08-26 02:10:06	mpickering	Added you as a maintainer as well
2019-08-26 02:10:37	lukelau	by the way i’m planning on giving a short presentation on this stuff at a meetup in dublin next month. i can probably just show off the same stuff that you did in the ghc-debug demo screencast right?
2019-08-26 02:11:54	mpickering	in how long is this meetup?
2019-08-26 02:12:08	lukelau	sorry its in october
2019-08-26 02:12:12	mpickering	In two weeks I am going to work on ghc-debug more with Ben at Munihac
2019-08-26 02:12:18	mpickering	so if you wanted to show that it might be usable
2019-08-26 02:12:30	lukelau	sounds good
2019-08-26 02:12:37	mpickering	or you can do it manually as well
2019-08-26 02:12:41	dxld	mpickering: oh you're going to munihac too?
2019-08-26 02:12:46	mpickering	of course
2019-08-26 02:12:54	mpickering	Want to help me and Ben with ghc-debug?
2019-08-26 02:12:57	dxld	hehe
2019-08-26 02:13:15	dxld	depends on how busy I am with tooling stuff
2019-08-26 02:13:52	dxld	last time I had a number of people to introduce to this stuff
2019-08-26 02:15:23	mpickering	dxld: What was the old ticket you opened about GHC not GCing stuff?
2019-08-26 02:15:31	mpickering	Was it to do with FastStrings?
2019-08-26 02:15:39	dxld	oh yeah I was going to ask you to re-test that with your changes
2019-08-26 02:16:10	dxld	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/issues/13110
2019-08-26 02:16:10	mpickering	Well my patches don't achieve very much so far
2019-08-26 02:17:16	dxld	well cleaning up any of the faststring mess is a start at least
2019-08-26 02:17:51	mpickering	Ok so you tried clearing the FastString table
2019-08-26 02:17:56	mpickering	that isn't a very safe thing to do 
2019-08-26 02:18:02	dxld	yup
2019-08-26 02:18:10	dxld	well it's not as if anything is supposed to run after that :)
2019-08-26 02:18:17	dxld	the program just loops forever
2019-08-26 02:18:27	dxld	I expect everything to be GCed anyways
2019-08-26 02:18:41	mpickering	but also it's not the only retainer of FastString, the `NameCache` also maps a `FastString` to a `Unique`. 
2019-08-26 02:18:55	dxld	that's inside hscenv though, right:?
2019-08-26 02:19:01	mpickering	yeah
2019-08-26 02:19:02	dxld	not a toplevel unsafe IORef
2019-08-26 02:19:06	dxld	so that would be GCd
2019-08-26 02:19:17	dxld	I guess I should apply our gdb trick to this test case
2019-08-26 02:19:47	mpickering	I'll try it now
2019-08-26 02:20:04	mpickering	I need to build a new version of GHC though hmm
2019-08-26 02:20:14	dxld	we can do it at munihac ;)
2019-08-26 02:21:59	mpickering	What was your thoughts about using `Compact` in GHC?
2019-08-26 02:22:18	mpickering	I was thinking of trying to use it to store `ModIface` created in `--make` mode
2019-08-26 02:22:22	mpickering	instead of storing them in memory
2019-08-26 02:22:33	mpickering	So compile a module, compact and then write to disk
2019-08-26 02:22:37	dxld	yeah I was thinking that too
2019-08-26 02:22:50	dxld	has one big problem though
2019-08-26 02:22:58	dxld	right now a lot of the ModIface fields are lazy for good reason
2019-08-26 02:23:05	dxld	they actaully lazy load stuff off disk
2019-08-26 02:23:08	dxld	which is cool and all
2019-08-26 02:23:31	mpickering	yeah but also compacts are read lazily as well I think
2019-08-26 02:23:36	dxld	it just means we have to have one version of the datatype for disk and one for in-memory and at that point I question if there's even any point to this?
2019-08-26 02:23:46	dxld	are you sure about that?
2019-08-26 02:23:56	dxld	I don't see how that would work
2019-08-26 02:24:13	dxld	I don't mean one ModIface is lazy loaded, but rather specific fields are lazy
2019-08-26 02:24:23	mpickering	http://ezyang.com/papers/ezyang15-cnf.pdf
2019-08-26 02:24:26	mpickering	See section 5.4 here
2019-08-26 02:24:34	mpickering	I'm not confident I understand it correctly
2019-08-26 02:24:40	mpickering	but Ryan Newton at ICFP asked if we had tried doing this
2019-08-26 02:25:00	dxld	ah yes mmap'ing was also my plan
2019-08-26 02:25:15	mpickering	Did you ever try clearing the caches in `HscEnv`? 
2019-08-26 02:25:35	dxld	but given that we just convert stuff to an in-memory index anyways I'm not sure this whole thing would actually be an unambigous win
2019-08-26 02:25:41	dxld	oh yes
2019-08-26 02:25:43	dxld	that works a treat
2019-08-26 02:25:48	dxld	used to do that in ghc-mod
2019-08-26 02:25:59	dxld	but due to the bug from above the memory used doesn't actually go away
2019-08-26 02:26:03	dxld	most of it anways
2019-08-26 02:26:21	dxld	*or some? I'm not sure what the current state of things is
2019-08-26 02:26:33	dxld	but yeah unloading things is definetly something we should be doing
2019-08-26 02:26:35	mpickering	We really want a mode which is a combination of `--make` and `-c` right?
2019-08-26 02:26:40	dxld	much easier than all this compact/mmap stuff
2019-08-26 02:26:54	dxld	what do you mean?
2019-08-26 02:27:07	dxld	oh just the compilation server thing?
2019-08-26 02:27:18	mpickering	I mean that you want the dependency chasing logic of `--make`
2019-08-26 02:27:58	mpickering	but without the caching behaviour, what the mode would do is `--make` but then not save anything into the caches, write the iface, clear the caches and then start the next module
2019-08-26 02:28:07	mpickering	by reading the `ModIface` it needs from disk
2019-08-26 02:28:20	dxld	hmm
2019-08-26 02:28:31	dxld	no I do want caching
2019-08-26 02:28:41	dxld	I just want better cache eviction
2019-08-26 02:28:43	dxld	i.e. any
2019-08-26 02:28:43	mpickering	Things are cached, but on disk, rather than in memory
2019-08-26 02:28:49	dxld	but in-memory is great
2019-08-26 02:28:59	dxld	it's just a problem because we literally never discard anything
2019-08-26 02:29:08	mpickering	yes I agree
2019-08-26 02:29:11	dxld	even just some LRU caching with a fixed size would probably be better
2019-08-26 02:29:25	dxld	but for that to work we also need to fix that bug above
2019-08-26 02:29:25	mpickering	but I would prefer to first establish a memory usage baseline
2019-08-26 02:29:36	mpickering	and then add caching
2019-08-26 02:29:37	dxld	without any caching you mean?
2019-08-26 02:29:43	mpickering	not any in-memory caching
2019-08-26 02:29:47	dxld	well I mean measuring that would be easy
2019-08-26 02:30:10	dxld	oh, well actually
2019-08-26 02:30:23	dxld	you know about the indecies we build out of ModIfaces, right?
2019-08-26 02:31:31	mpickering	What's an "index"?
2019-08-26 02:32:10	dxld	we build some maps from ModIface iirc
2019-08-26 02:32:30	mpickering	in GHC?
2019-08-26 02:32:34	dxld	so the code relies on just being able to do a Map.lookup on a couple of different things
2019-08-26 02:32:45	dxld	if you remove those then you have to linearly scan over all packages
2019-08-26 02:33:01	mpickering	are you talking about in GHC here?
2019-08-26 02:33:03	dxld	yeah in ghc
2019-08-26 02:33:16	dxld	I'm trying to find the code don't remember exactly where it was
2019-08-26 02:33:28	dxld	but I found that while I was looking at that whole ModIface stuff
2019-08-26 02:33:31	mpickering	OK
2019-08-26 02:33:37	mpickering	but `-c` mode works without any caching
2019-08-26 02:33:46	dxld	does it though?
2019-08-26 02:33:55	dxld	it still has all these datastructures just like --make
2019-08-26 02:33:59	dxld	but once per process :)
2019-08-26 02:33:59	mpickering	sure? The whole GHC build system uses `-c`
2019-08-26 02:34:03	mpickering	yeah
2019-08-26 02:34:11	dxld	so I don't think that really makes things any beetter
2019-08-26 02:34:27	mpickering	but after the process is finished, the memory is reclaimed
2019-08-26 02:34:29	dxld	they just don't use the memory forever but just as long as they are running
2019-08-26 02:34:37	dxld	sure
2019-08-26 02:34:43	mpickering	that's my point here. I want memory usage to between 0-10mb when nothing is happening
2019-08-26 02:34:57	dxld	for HIE specifically or ghc in general?
2019-08-26 02:35:03	mpickering	HIE 
2019-08-26 02:35:06	dxld	right
2019-08-26 02:35:14	dxld	yeah then we should just look into cache eviction
2019-08-26 02:35:22	dxld	I'd just go with a timeout based scheme
2019-08-26 02:35:36	dxld	after 10sec without activity it just throws the oldest sutff away
2019-08-26 02:35:44	dxld	or something like that
2019-08-26 02:35:56	dxld	then you get caching while it's running but at idle it gets rid of stuff
2019-08-26 02:36:22	mpickering	yeah sounds sensible
2019-08-26 02:37:07	dxld	so I think the first thing to do is fix that bug where we don't actually get rid of memory and then we can look into adding some metadata to ModIface etc. to track last use time
2019-08-26 02:37:21	mpickering	As you noticed, there's no way to clear the FastStringTable currently with the API
2019-08-26 02:37:33	dxld	indeed
2019-08-26 02:37:46	dxld	so good you're working on that code already :)
2019-08-26 02:38:29	mpickering	We also have to consider if HIE uses any maps keyed by FastString or Unique
2019-08-26 02:38:38	mpickering	because then clearing the NameCache or FastStringTable will cause problems
2019-08-26 02:38:41	dxld	true
2019-08-26 02:38:50	dxld	hmm
2019-08-26 02:39:07	dxld	Maybe we should have per-package faststring tables instead of a global one or something?
2019-08-26 02:39:16	mpickering	The maps could be switched to normal Data.Map and it would be ok
2019-08-26 02:39:18	dxld	we have a packageid now so we could key off that
2019-08-26 02:39:33	dxld	in hie you mean?
2019-08-26 02:39:38	mpickering	yeah in hie
2019-08-26 02:39:47	mpickering	I think it's likely they already are
2019-08-26 02:39:48	dxld	how would that help if the faststring in there is suddenly invalid?
2019-08-26 02:41:07	dxld	I think making sure we don't use faststring is the easiest solution there
2019-08-26 02:41:19	dxld	just copy the string to an unshared one for such maps
2019-08-26 02:41:27	mpickering	The invalidity is to do with Eq
2019-08-26 02:41:28	mpickering	not Ord
2019-08-26 02:41:34	mpickering	Ord is compared lexigraphically 
2019-08-26 02:41:37	dxld	hmmm
2019-08-26 02:41:41	dxld	riiight
2019-08-26 02:41:53	dxld	I forgot we have the pointer to the bytestring in the faststring
2019-08-26 02:41:58	mpickering	The problem is a combination of wanting fast equality but allowing them to be gced
2019-08-26 02:42:02	dxld	if it just had the uniq things would break
2019-08-26 02:42:56	dxld	right so then that wouldn't cause problems if we're careful
2019-08-26 02:44:00	dxld	but this all kind of sucks :/
2019-08-26 02:44:45	dxld	I want some mechanism of telling faststring that they are now invalid, because we could still end up using the Eq instance by accident
2019-08-26 02:44:49	mpickering	yeah the maps are all `IntervalMap`s it seems
2019-08-26 02:46:46	dxld	how about just scanning over our caches when we decide to purge some faststrings and remove ones we know are about to be invalid?
2019-08-26 02:47:07	dxld	as long as we just use faststrings in caches that should be fine, no?
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2019-08-26 02:50:39	mpickering	I'm not too worried about this. 
2019-08-26 02:50:55	dxld	*shrug* ok
2019-08-26 02:51:10	mpickering	as long as we don't use them as keys into a map then it's fine
2019-08-26 02:51:20	mpickering	and I stopped that happening by removing the `Uniqable` instance for them
2019-08-26 02:51:27	mpickering	so you can't put them into a `UniqFM`.
2019-08-26 02:51:56	dxld	ok
2019-08-26 02:53:55	dxld	strange there were no faststrings used as keys in ghc
2019-08-26 02:54:02	mpickering	No there were lots..
2019-08-26 02:54:11	dxld	so how did you deal with that?
2019-08-26 02:54:18	mpickering	Stored the key in the value as well
2019-08-26 02:54:22	dxld	surely the whole point of the Eq instance is for hashmaps 
2019-08-26 02:54:23	mpickering	`IntMap (FastString, v)`
2019-08-26 02:54:51	dxld	I'm confused, how does that help things?
2019-08-26 02:55:08	mpickering	because then whilst the map is retained, there is also a reference to the FastString
2019-08-26 02:55:31	mpickering	so it will be kept alive whilst there is a chance you would use it to index into the map
2019-08-26 02:55:49	dxld	hmmm
2019-08-26 02:56:06	dxld	I don't think I understand
2019-08-26 02:57:10	dxld	it's not as if we have some finalizer setup to clean up the faststring table
2019-08-26 02:57:16	dxld	or is that what you were adding?
2019-08-26 02:57:54	mpickering	I change the faststring table to use weak pointers
2019-08-26 02:58:12	mpickering	so that GC would clear up FastString which were no longer used
2019-08-26 02:58:18	mpickering	because the hashmap wouldn't retain a reference
2019-08-26 02:58:20	dxld	right
2019-08-26 02:58:29	mpickering	However, this didn't work because weak pointers are very fragile
2019-08-26 02:58:37	dxld	I thought we were talking about the slimmed down version where you didn't do that
2019-08-26 02:58:48	mpickering	Yeah so now there is a manual GC method
2019-08-26 02:59:23	mpickering	which turns all the values into Weak, does a GC and then turns them back
2019-08-26 02:59:34	dxld	hehe
2019-08-26 02:59:40	dxld	neat trick
2019-08-26 03:00:17	dxld	this is !1583 now, right?
2019-08-26 03:01:16	mpickering	It's the complicated one
2019-08-26 03:01:21	dxld	oh, ok
2019-08-26 03:01:31	dxld	1579 then
2019-08-26 03:05:07	mpickering	I'm not sure if I pushed the gc changes or not
2019-08-26 03:13:36	dxld	I don't see any weakpointer stuff so I guess not?
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2019-08-26 03:49:05	mpickering	dxld: I compiled your benchmark program
2019-08-26 03:49:11	mpickering	now what do these numbers mean :)
2019-08-26 03:49:16	dxld	hehe
2019-08-26 03:49:18	dxld	hang on
2019-08-26 03:50:56	dxld	well basically compare a run without any options to one which loads a package such as -package Cabal
2019-08-26 03:51:09	dxld	the description has an example
2019-08-26 03:51:38	dxld	you would expect the CmData and mem_in_use to be close to the values without loading any packages
2019-08-26 03:51:43	dxld	*VmData
2019-08-26 03:52:10	dxld	gcdetails_live is just how much the rts thinks should be alive
2019-08-26 03:52:39	mpickering	I'm not sure the VmData number is very accurate? 
2019-08-26 03:52:45	dxld	how so?
2019-08-26 03:52:59	mpickering	That's the number that the system monitor reports right?
2019-08-26 03:53:15	dxld	yeah
2019-08-26 03:53:19	dxld	from proc/self/status
2019-08-26 03:53:25	mpickering	I've been told not to trust that number because it only resets once the OS reclaims the memory
2019-08-26 03:53:34	dxld	oh
2019-08-26 03:53:40	dxld	RSS is probably what your system monitor uses
2019-08-26 03:53:58	dxld	well yeah but I explicitly want the OS to recalim things!
2019-08-26 03:54:09	mpickering	well it will when it needs memory
2019-08-26 03:54:10	dxld	that's what that bug is about, I can't get that to happen
2019-08-26 03:54:21	dxld	I don't think it delays it that much
2019-08-26 03:54:51	dxld	but I mean if you don't trust it run a process that allocates all available memory before reading the stat
2019-08-26 03:55:15	mpickering	yeah I don't trust it
2019-08-26 03:55:18	mpickering	I trust the other two numbers
2019-08-26 03:55:38	dxld	mem_in_use is still a tad high, no?
2019-08-26 03:56:16	dxld	I think that an accounting of the block allocator's status, right?
2019-08-26 03:56:21	dxld	so that should be trustworthy
2019-08-26 03:56:59	mpickering	Right now with `-package Cabal` and `-package ghc` I see `live = 11.2` and `mem_in_use = 108`
2019-08-26 03:57:24	dxld	sounds about right to me
2019-08-26 03:57:35	dxld	what's vmdata in that case?
2019-08-26 03:57:44	mpickering	about 350
2019-08-26 03:57:58	dxld	mhm
2019-08-26 03:58:08	dxld	yeah I'm not sure about that one
2019-08-26 03:58:23	dxld	what's the mem_in_use without any -package options?
2019-08-26 03:58:28	dxld	or even with -hide-all-packages
2019-08-26 03:58:38	dxld	(don't remember if that makes a difference)
2019-08-26 03:58:55	mpickering	6.3 live 36 in_use
2019-08-26 03:59:09	dxld	right that's definetly leaking then
2019-08-26 03:59:43	dxld	I think VmData is the wrong thing you're right
2019-08-26 03:59:48	dxld	VmRSS is probably what I want
2019-08-26 04:00:02	dxld	you can just change the string in the testcase if you want to try that
2019-08-26 04:01:08	mpickering	ok and now you want to know if there are any FastStrings still allocated?
2019-08-26 04:01:19	mpickering	well, ByteStrings I suppose
2019-08-26 04:01:27	dxld	I suppose that'd be a start
2019-08-26 04:01:50	dxld	I expect there might be some in CAFs or something though..
2019-08-26 04:01:54	dxld	bytestrings at least
2019-08-26 04:02:36	dxld	did you compile this with profiling?
2019-08-26 04:03:38	mpickering	no
2019-08-26 04:03:48	mpickering	I can try that but not tonight
2019-08-26 04:03:54	dxld	yeah
2019-08-26 04:04:12	dxld	a heap profile would probably have some pointers
2019-08-26 04:04:22	dxld	unless the test case just doesn't work with profiling, don't remember
2019-08-26 04:04:38	mpickering	ben compiled it with profilng
2019-08-26 04:04:46	mpickering	I just don't have profiling libs builds
2019-08-26 04:04:49	mpickering	*built
2019-08-26 04:05:09	dxld	mhm
2019-08-26 04:05:59	dxld	since your changes don't seem to make a difference I could just do a profiling build here
2019-08-26 04:07:21	dxld	oh I have a prof build already :)
2019-08-26 04:07:48	dxld	I think I haven't built an unprofiled ghc master in quite a while now :p
2019-08-26 04:08:18	dxld	I'm still lacking a way to build a regular dev ghc but with profiling libs
2019-08-26 04:08:38	dxld	I tried setting BUILD_PROF_LIBS=YES but that didn't do anything without flav=prof
2019-08-26 04:10:20	dxld	did you use the faststring table reset patch?
2019-08-26 04:10:55	mpickering	yes but I had to change it
2019-08-26 04:11:05	mpickering	because the implementation of the table changed
2019-08-26 04:11:15	dxld	got a patch for me?
2019-08-26 04:11:51	mpickering	https://gist.github.com/mpickering/e89fbfb2ed322c280a861cdb3e3a162e
2019-08-26 04:12:05	mpickering	You have to expose `stringTable` `StringTable(..)` and `StringTableSegment(..)`
2019-08-26 04:12:29	dxld	can you just add a diff for that to the gist? :)
2019-08-26 04:12:59	mpickering	To which gist
2019-08-26 04:13:14	dxld	the one you just posted
2019-08-26 04:13:30	dxld	or another one, doesn't really matter
2019-08-26 04:13:34	mpickering	A diff compared to what?
2019-08-26 04:13:35	dxld	I just want that jucy difff
2019-08-26 04:13:41	dxld	your ghc changes
2019-08-26 04:13:46	dxld	for the string table stuff
2019-08-26 04:13:47	mpickering	My tree is very dirty
2019-08-26 04:13:59	dxld	hmm
2019-08-26 04:14:12	mpickering	Ok, apprently there are 192508 `PS` constructors allocated
2019-08-26 04:14:15	mpickering	you just need to add 3 imports
2019-08-26 04:14:19	mpickering	*exports
2019-08-26 04:14:28	dxld	okk
2019-08-26 04:14:29	dxld	PS?
2019-08-26 04:14:36	mpickering	The bytestring constructor
2019-08-26 04:15:06	dxld	oh BS
2019-08-26 04:15:09	dxld	ok
2019-08-26 04:15:19	mpickering	It's called `PS`
2019-08-26 04:15:23	dxld	weird
2019-08-26 04:15:24	mpickering	I'm not sure why
2019-08-26 04:15:29	dxld	typo I bet :P
2019-08-26 04:15:30	mpickering	0x00000000029beb68  bytestringzm0zi10zi9zi0_DataziByteStringziInternal_PS_con_info
2019-08-26 04:16:52	dxld	can you pick one out at random and check the retainer?
2019-08-26 04:17:06	mpickering	yeah
2019-08-26 04:17:14	mpickering	I just did and remembered I needed to run with -DS
2019-08-26 04:17:27	dxld	what's that?
2019-08-26 04:17:36	mpickering	It zeros memory when it is gced
2019-08-26 04:17:39	dxld	uuuuh
2019-08-26 04:17:40	dxld	nice
2019-08-26 04:17:44	mpickering	at Munihac I will show you how to use Ben's gdb scripts as well
2019-08-26 04:17:48	mpickering	they are useful
2019-08-26 04:17:53	dxld	yuss
2019-08-26 04:18:47	mpickering	-DS makes things way slower
2019-08-26 04:18:57	dxld	makes sense
2019-08-26 04:25:12	mpickering	and by slow, I mean the program has been running for over 10 mins
2019-08-26 04:25:22	dxld	uff
2019-08-26 04:34:43	mpickering	mpickering> ok, so there are just two ByteStrings allocated when you don't load any packages
2019-08-26 04:34:43	mpickering	12:04 AM <mpickering> hmm `unsafeGlobalDynFlags` has a high potential for leaking stuff
2019-08-26 04:35:00	dxld	I tried resetting that too IIRC
2019-08-26 04:35:09	mpickering	There are other retainers as well
2019-08-26 04:35:23	dxld	looks like I don't have that in the testcase anymore though for some reason
2019-08-26 04:35:37	mpickering	I need profiling libs to see what's allocated
2019-08-26 04:35:58	dxld	my compile just finished
2019-08-26 04:37:31	mpickering	-DS just makes things so slow
2019-08-26 04:40:40	dxld	ok
2019-08-26 04:40:46	dxld	so any other RTS options I need?
2019-08-26 04:41:28	mpickering	you don't need -DS if you're just profiling
2019-08-26 04:41:29	dxld	heap profile doesn't show anything
2019-08-26 04:41:38	mpickering	Turn up the profiling interval
2019-08-26 04:41:40	dxld	which is in-line with the live = ~1M 
2019-08-26 04:41:55	dxld	oh right
2019-08-26 04:42:28	dxld	I really have to look at that god damn last sample = 0 bug too
2019-08-26 04:42:38	mpickering	yeah just delete it
2019-08-26 04:42:47	dxld	yeah I know
2019-08-26 04:42:50	dxld	it's just super annoying
2019-08-26 04:42:58	dxld	I think I even have a sed command for that somewhere
2019-08-26 04:43:05	mpickering	It doesn't happen with the eventlog profile
2019-08-26 04:43:16	mpickering	because the eventlog profile doesn't try to correct the timings
2019-08-26 04:43:33	dxld	too lazy to figure out how to use that now :)
2019-08-26 04:43:38	dxld	you can show me at munihac :p
2019-08-26 04:43:38	mpickering	I added `ghc-boot-th` and still only two bytestrings are retained
2019-08-26 04:43:49	mpickering	now I have to go
2019-08-26 04:45:42	dxld	ok. see ya
2019-08-26 04:47:54	mpickering	I feel like we are chasing a red herring here a bit
2019-08-26 04:48:03	dxld	how so?
2019-08-26 04:48:29	mpickering	because I couldn't see any leaking of ByteString happening
2019-08-26 04:48:33	mpickering	when I added an extra package
2019-08-26 04:48:49	dxld	so that super large number before was because of no -DS?
2019-08-26 04:48:59	mpickering	yeah
2019-08-26 04:49:45	dxld	but what could it be then?
2019-08-26 04:49:56	dxld	lol
2019-08-26 04:50:04	dxld	VmRSS is even larger than VmData
2019-08-26 04:50:09	dxld	761 mb :)
2019-08-26 04:50:21	dxld	I think that counts libraries and executables etc
2019-08-26 04:51:37	dxld	RssAnon is supposed to be just anonymous pages but that's still huge
2019-08-26 04:51:43	dxld	wtf
2019-08-26 05:05:09	mpickering	Well what does the profile say?
2019-08-26 05:05:48	mpickering	It could just be stuff the DynFlags retains like pavkageDb field
2019-08-26 05:05:55	dxld	what you'd expect
2019-08-26 05:06:03	dxld	approx the same as live 
2019-08-26 05:06:18	dxld	I don't think dynflags is that large
2019-08-26 05:06:28	dxld	I found -Dg though
2019-08-26 05:06:40	dxld	that looks very useful
2019-08-26 05:07:13	dxld	https://gist.github.com/DanielG/4d3a4c272f292427d77c6f51664ce191
2019-08-26 05:07:29	dxld	this is with just -package Cabal and there I had mem_in_use ~ 50M
2019-08-26 05:07:37	dxld	and this says that's free!
2019-08-26 05:07:47	dxld	so the block allocator isn't getting rid of stuff I want it to..
2019-08-26 05:08:55	mpickering	Interpret that for me?
2019-08-26 05:09:05	dxld	no idea, just found it myself
2019-08-26 05:09:27	dxld	but I think "free" line is blocks that are ready to be re-used and not given back to the os
2019-08-26 05:10:11	dxld	aah this is super cool
2019-08-26 05:10:21	dxld	I can watch the free run out and see it allocating a new block :)
2019-08-26 05:10:28	dxld	looks to me like 50M is the blocksize here
2019-08-26 05:10:34	dxld	so this is just the last block left over
2019-08-26 05:10:38	dxld	*super-block
2019-08-26 05:10:44	dxld	of whatever they are called
2019-08-26 05:11:17	dxld	let's see if I can paste a 20MB log file on github for you :)
2019-08-26 05:11:52	dxld	aww that times out
2019-08-26 05:14:29	dxld	just run with +RTS -Dg 2>&1 | tee log
2019-08-26 05:14:52	dxld	then `less log` and seach for the heading with `/  Gen     Max  Mut-list`
2019-08-26 05:15:01	dxld	then you can watch the memory inventory develop
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2019-08-26 19:18:30	mpickering	IntervalMap completely blows up on a big module
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2019-08-26 22:14:32	luite	what do I need to do to jump to (or peek at) a definition in a different package?
2019-08-26 22:15:31	mpickering	Implement the feature
2019-08-26 22:16:46	luite	haha that's a clear enough answer
2019-08-26 22:16:48	mpickering	Here's a profile I did earlier of loading `Cabal` into hie. You can see how loading `LicenseId.hs` uses more memory that you can imagine http://mpickering.github.io/cabal.hp.html
2019-08-26 22:17:19	mpickering	luite: wz1000 proposes to implement this with `hie` files
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2019-08-26 22:18:32	luite	yeah that makes sense
2019-08-26 22:21:46	luite	I'm imagining a lot of lists and interval maps
2019-08-26 22:22:31	mpickering	It's from a SYB traversal I am fairly sure
2019-08-26 22:56:24	dxld	mpickering: I think I have an idea now what that bug from yesterday is
2019-08-26 22:56:31	dxld	I think it's memory fragmentation
2019-08-26 22:56:49	dxld	the GC wants to free more mblocks than there are in the free list
2019-08-26 22:57:03	dxld	but there's plenty of regular blocks, just not whole mblocks
2019-08-26 22:57:45	dxld	I'm not sure if the block allocator is supposed to do any defrag at deallocation time still have to read the code more
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2019-08-27 12:12:14	wz1000	mpickering: who did the recording?
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2019-08-27 12:31:21	mpickering	It was some russian guy in the front row
2019-08-27 12:33:49	wz1000	how did you find it?
2019-08-27 12:35:33	wz1000	luite: you can use hiedb if you have a mapping from module names to filepaths
2019-08-27 13:01:25	mpickering	He @ed me on twitter
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2019-08-27 13:32:48	luite	wz1000: ah I'm not sure how to use that though
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2019-08-27 16:49:32	luite	I'd like to try haskell-ide-engine with a newer cabal-helper (mine breaks with cabal 3), but stack ./install.hs hie-8.6.5 resets my git submodule. what should I do?
2019-08-27 16:54:09	wz1000	luite: just use stack install
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2019-08-27 17:07:58	mpickering	anyone know where the "SymbolMap" for a module is generated?
2019-08-27 17:08:09	mpickering	The bit which adds the name of the function to bread crumbs at the top of a module
2019-08-27 17:28:15	luite	wz1000 hmm I'm not sure
2019-08-27 17:28:26	luite	if I actually have a newer cabal-helper now
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2019-08-27 17:46:40	fendor	does anybody know, how likely is it to still get a spot for munihac?
2019-08-27 17:47:32	mpickering	fendor: Andres said that it was full
2019-08-27 17:47:49	mpickering	but if you are flexible then you should email him a few days before to ask if there was any space
2019-08-27 17:50:02	fendor	that is unfortunate
2019-08-27 17:53:01	mpickering	you can always email and ask
2019-08-27 17:56:13	fendor	yeah... should I ask now or rather later?
2019-08-27 17:59:39	mpickering	It would be more usual to email now asking so you get told what I just told you
2019-08-27 18:00:05	mpickering	are you living close to Munich?
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2019-08-27 18:01:55	fendor	kind of, 3-4 hours. Problem is, I was planning to go with someone else, however, I got a ticket, they didnt so far, although we did the registration at the same time. so, I actually already have the hotel, train etc.
2019-08-27 18:03:22	fendor	welp, my problem, we will figure it out, thanks!
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2019-08-27 19:27:50	mpickering	fendor: How did you fix the test failure?
2019-08-27 19:30:03	fendor	mpickering, some functions are not longer found in the generated expression, i just removed them from the tests
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2019-08-27 19:30:17	mpickering	did you work out what functions they were?
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2019-08-27 19:32:06	fendor	no, I am not familiar with ghc code generations internals
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2019-08-27 20:56:18	mpickering	Anyone familiar about where h-i-e might create large lists of types?
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2019-08-28 00:16:16	boxscape	where do I have to put settings.json for that?
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2019-08-28 13:42:08	mpickering	What is the latest with new-build support? wz1000 dxld ? This is even more critical than before now cabal-3.0 is out
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2019-08-28 13:48:22	alanz	mpickering, "Even if the patch isn't perfect"
2019-08-28 13:48:33	alanz	what does that mean? in context https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1372
2019-08-28 13:49:10	mpickering	It means that I didn't consider all cases where we might do redundant traversals. 
2019-08-28 13:49:47	mpickering	It's definitely possible we recurse into other things with SYB which we don't need to but I didn't analyse it very closely
2019-08-28 13:49:58	alanz	ok, so it does not break features, but does not harvest all the possible speedups
2019-08-28 13:50:09	alanz	I will approve it then
2019-08-28 13:51:08	alanz	Landed already, awesome
2019-08-28 13:52:16	mpickering	It's the difference between using 2gb and 300mb of memory to generate the TypeMap on some modules
2019-08-28 13:52:22	mpickering	300mb is still a lot but not quite as much..
2019-08-28 13:52:23	alanz	wow
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2019-08-29 03:03:25	luite	in the vscode Haskell Language Server extension configuration there's an option to enable tracing the communication. where can I find the trace?
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2019-08-29 03:06:16	fendor	luite, if not in the stderr, it should be in some temp file in /tmp/hie.log
2019-08-29 03:09:07	luite	ah on macOS it's hidden a bit further away in /var
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2019-08-29 03:14:29	luite	I'm still a little confused how it's building my project since the only output is "`gcc' failed in phase `C pre-processor'. (Exit code: 1)"
2019-08-29 03:21:24	fendor	luite, how do you build the project? hie uses a heuristic to determine whether to use stack or cabal
2019-08-29 03:26:16	luite	stack build and cabal new-build both work if I run them directly, outside vscode.
2019-08-29 03:30:20	luite	oh but now cabal-helper-wrapper fails: "_base_GHCziIOziException_zdfExceptionIOException4_closure", referenced from: _ceXpr_info in libHSCabal-2.4.1.0-4t2ut7bCQNuEj8DDES6BZk.a(Utils.o)
2019-08-29 03:30:38	fendor	oh my, that looks like a nice error message
2019-08-29 03:31:08	fendor	alright, then hie will probbaly try to build the project with stack
2019-08-29 03:31:33	fendor	try to remove ${HOME}/.cache/cabal-helper/ folder. 
2019-08-29 03:37:19	luite	hmm, I've had this problem before, anything that links that libHSCabal breaks somehow due to the undefined symbols. I think maybe the ghc-8.6.5 that came with stack is slightly different and somewhere they got mixed up
2019-08-29 03:38:27	luite	my normal ghc 8.6.5 is built with assertions enabled and doesn't finish building hie: ghc: panic! (the 'impossible' happened) (GHC version 8.6.5 for x86_64-apple-darwin): zipWithEqual: unequal lists:mkJointDmds
2019-08-29 04:00:14	luite	ah yup, modifying PATH so that cabal-helper sees the stack GHC first makes it get past that point. I have warnings again now
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2019-08-30 01:36:17	luite	how can I enable --vomit if I use haskell-ide-engine in vscode?
2019-08-30 01:36:59	alanz	luite, its in the logging options, set it to verbose, I think
2019-08-30 01:37:49	luite	hmm in that case I'm not getting much info out of it. should it also be in hie.log?
2019-08-30 01:38:24	alanz	it writes to stderr, which shows up in the output pane, but only after you select hie
2019-08-30 01:38:29	alanz	its a bit of a pain that
2019-08-30 01:39:44	alanz	So its menu bar / View / Output
2019-08-30 01:40:13	alanz	then on the right change "tasks" to "Haskell HIE (whatever the project is)"
2019-08-30 01:40:47	luite	ah, that last bit is the part I missed earlier
2019-08-30 01:41:09	alanz	If you like, a PR on the docs would help the next person
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2019-08-30 12:17:31	teto	seems like nixos-unstable now use cabal 3.0.0, which broke my hie setup with the following message https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nX5FVvWCNw/ I am using old style so I don't think https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1250 applies
2019-08-30 12:20:48	teto	hum I may have an idea
2019-08-30 12:25:02	dxld	teto: cabal 3.0 changed the default to v2-build, so are you sure you're calling v1-* commands explicitly?
2019-08-30 12:25:27	teto	dxld: so cabal configure runs v2-configure ?
2019-08-30 12:25:31	dxld	yup
2019-08-30 12:25:37	teto	ok that must be it then
2019-08-30 12:26:26	teto	I noticed the output different but it so verbose, i got lazy to check why xD
2019-08-30 12:26:35	dxld	:)
2019-08-30 12:36:58	teto	dxld: after running cabal v1-configure, cabal v1-build, and removing dist-newstyle, I still get the same error I posted on paste.ubuntu.com, the problem is that there is no stderr with the "readCreateProcess ... failed". 
2019-08-30 12:37:18	teto	maybe I can relaunch the command but there are so many escaped things it's not easy
2019-08-30 12:38:23	dxld	ugh I hate reading those logs too :/
2019-08-30 12:40:14	dxld	yeah without the stderr it's not really debugable
2019-08-30 12:40:46	dxld	you can run cabal-helper-wrapper manually should given you the same error
2019-08-30 12:42:46	dxld	$ /nix/store/jq8x50rkl3cm7cqkj1zsk6kfbb692iwv-cabal-helper-0.9.0.0/bin/cabal-helper-wrapper v1-style /home/teto/mptcp-pm /home/teto/mptcp-pm/dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.6.5/mptcp-pm-0.0.1 compiler-version
2019-08-30 12:42:50	dxld	should do the trick
2019-08-30 12:44:31	teto	dxld: thanks ! seems like even v1-style looks for things newstyle ? the commands returns "cabal-helper-wrapper: /home/teto/mptcp-pm/dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.6.5/mptcp-pm-0.0.1/setup-config: openFile: does not exist "
2019-08-30 12:44:56	dxld	that's fine
2019-08-30 12:45:13	dxld	there are a bunch of v1 distdirs under dist-newstyle, that's how that works
2019-08-30 12:45:34	dxld	I don't remember why I introduced that v1/v2-style distinction in the helper
2019-08-30 12:45:36	dxld	this is a lot of commits ago ;)
2019-08-30 12:46:44	dxld	I think this pretty much can't work because ghc-mod tries to call `cabal configure`
2019-08-30 12:46:53	dxld	and that's just v2-configure now .. :/
2019-08-30 12:46:59	teto	I have setup-config files in dist/setup-config and hs/dist/setup-config, maybe I need to symlink one of those in /home/teto/mptcp-pm/dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.6.5/mptcp-pm-0.0.1/setup-config
2019-08-30 12:47:10	dxld	no, no, no
2019-08-30 12:47:14	dxld	that can't work
2019-08-30 12:47:24	teto	maybe I should fallback on cabal 2 for now
2019-08-30 12:47:42	dxld	probably the easist thing to do right now
2019-08-30 12:48:07	dxld	we could workaround this in hie by doing some version checking for cabal and just calling v1-configure when needed
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2019-08-31 15:25:15	teto	I ended up pinning nixpkgs to an older working version. I couldn't setup cabal 2 on nixos-unstable https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/67761 . I have 2 questions: cabal != cabal-install ? and is cabal bundled with ghc ? 
2019-08-31 15:43:07	fendor	teto, Cabal != cabal-install, cabal-install is an executable, Cabal is the library that actually builds haskell packages
2019-08-31 15:43:26	fendor	Cabal is bundled with ghc because they depend on each other
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2019-08-31 18:24:00	WilliamHamilton	hi, when trying to use `lsp` in emacs in `nix`, I get `LSP :: Got error while processing diagnostics: readCreateProcess: /nix/store/jq8x50rkl3cm7cqkj1zsk6kfbb692iwv-cabal-helper-0.9.0.0/bin/cabal-helper-wrapper "--with-ghc=ghc" "--with-ghc-pkg=ghc-pkg" "--with-cabal=cabal" "v1-style" "/home/carlo/code/haskell/first" "/home/carlo/code/haskell/first/
2019-08-31 18:24:01	WilliamHamilton	dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.6.5/first-0.1.0.0" "package-db-stack" "flags" "compiler-version" "ghc-merged-pkg-options" "config-flags" "non-default-config-flags" "ghc-src-options" "ghc-pkg-options" "ghc-lang-options" "ghc-options" "source-dirs" "entrypoints" "needs-build-output" (exit 1): failed`
2019-08-31 18:24:54	WilliamHamilton	does anyone have debugging tips for this? I saw https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/658 but I have cabal-install in `$PATH`
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2019-08-31 18:37:00	WilliamHamilton	from that error message I don't like that `v1-style`, because I set `(setq haskell-process-type 'cabal-new-repl)` in emacs
2019-08-31 18:39:28	WilliamHamilton	infinisil: maybe you know what's going on ^
2019-08-31 18:49:01	infinisil	WilliamHamilton: Is this with cabal 3.0.0.0?
2019-08-31 18:49:24	infinisil	I think HIE still doesn't support new-style builds though
2019-08-31 18:49:50	WilliamHamilton	yes, `cabal --version` returns 3.0.0.0, probably because I just updated nixpkgs. Is there a workaround?
2019-08-31 18:50:21	WilliamHamilton	last time I was here i hear new-style builds should be supported (I might be wrong though)
2019-08-31 18:50:36	WilliamHamilton	s/hear/heard
2019-08-31 18:51:43	WilliamHamilton	infinisil ^
2019-08-31 19:02:04	infinisil	WilliamHamilton: According to https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/67761 not an easy one
2019-08-31 19:05:09	WilliamHamilton	thank infinisil!
2019-08-31 19:07:06	WilliamHamilton	alanz (or others in the know) what's the estimated diff of the size to get hie working with `cabal 3.0.0.0`. I'd do my share of the work but I cannot understand what modifications are needed from the repo, and in general what's the problem with cabal new-style commands
2019-08-31 19:07:21	WilliamHamilton	s/diff of the size/size of the diff
2019-08-31 19:08:02	infinisil	I'm actually just trying a ghc-mod patch to see if it works
2019-08-31 19:08:11	infinisil	One that just replaces a "configure" in it with "v1-configure"
2019-08-31 19:09:00	infinisil	See also https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1373
2019-08-31 19:09:30	WilliamHamilton	but that would only work for `v1-style` commands, is that right? Or do we always pass the `v1` flag, but then elsewhere we choose if the new-style commands should be used?
2019-08-31 19:11:50	infinisil	From what I read, it seems that HIE uses new-style if there's a dist-newstyle directory (even though I haven't come accross anybody that says HIE even works with new-style), and ghc-mod as well, however ghc-mod calls "cabal configure", which now that cabal 3.0.0.0 is out is the same as cabal new-configure
2019-08-31 19:13:16	WilliamHamilton	yes, and why is it important that `ghc-mod` calls a `v1-command`? Why isn't `new-configure` (the current `configure`) good?
2019-08-31 19:13:35	infinisil	Because HIE doesn't work with that?
2019-08-31 19:14:10	infinisil	HIE relies on ghc-mod to do some stuff. If ghc-mod does new-build stuff while HIE expects old-build stuff to be done things probably mess up
2019-08-31 19:14:32	WilliamHamilton	but `it seems that HIE uses new-style if there's a dist-newstyle directory `, so how would that work if HIE couldn't process the new-style commands?
2019-08-31 19:15:17	infinisil	It might just be a feature nobody bothered to get to work yet
2019-08-31 19:16:11	infinisil	The feature of it supporting new-build that is
2019-08-31 19:17:39	WilliamHamilton	I think that the main obstacle to having that feature is that what should be done is nowhere documented
2019-08-31 19:20:36	WilliamHamilton	mpickering do you know what should be done to support `cabal v 3.0.0.0` or generally new-builds in hie? Is that really just passing a different string to `ghc-mod`? Also, could you tl;dr (or point me to) the discussion regarding integrating hie-bios? It seemed a very cool concept and I lost track of it. Is it already integrated in hie?
2019-08-31 19:21:40	WilliamHamilton	Ericson2314 did you ever get hie working with obelisk using mpickering 's branch?
2019-08-31 19:27:36	infinisil	Seems that cabal-helper also uses "configure" and such without the "v1-" prefix, let's see if patching that fixes it..
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2019-08-31 19:38:51	fendor	WilliamHamilton, you can use the hie-bios branch of mpickering at https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/
2019-08-31 19:39:51	WilliamHamilton	fendor right, but that isn't integrated with `all-hies` in nix, right?
2019-08-31 19:40:15	fendor	no, but cachix is available afaik
2019-08-31 19:48:32	infinisil	fendor: hie-bios is intended to be merged into hie right?
2019-08-31 19:49:30	fendor	I am not up-to-date regarding that, or not in the inner circle to be sure, but I think so, yes. 
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2019-08-31 20:43:18	infinisil	What I found out is that the cabal-helper version HIE uses as a submodule doesn't work (at runtime) with cabal 3.0.0.0 due to some symbols being deprecated
2019-08-31 20:44:28	infinisil	Upstream cabal-helper (dxld = DanielG?) however already has fixes in for all those deprecations
2019-08-31 20:45:09	infinisil	I'm currently trying to build that version with HIE, probably necessitating a ghc-mod update as well
2019-08-31 20:45:15	infinisil	I fear I won't get very far though
2019-08-31 20:48:02	fendor	infinisil, did you try the PR https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1245?
2019-08-31 20:48:28	fendor	that incorporates the cabal-helper 1.0 which will also enable static builds
2019-08-31 20:48:49	fendor	kind of solving distributing hie over other package managers
2019-08-31 20:49:07	infinisil	Ah no I haven't, though I did see this PR earlier
2019-08-31 20:49:52	fendor	it looks promising imo, but doesnt entirely work yet
2019-08-31 20:51:25	teto	infinisil: glad you met the same problem as I did (sry xD). I for now pinned nixpkgs while waiting hie to support new-style
2019-08-31 20:52:48	infinisil	Hehe yeah
2019-08-31 20:53:07	infinisil	I think I'll open an issue for HIE not supporting 3.0.0.0
2019-08-31 20:53:13	infinisil	And summarize a bit
2019-08-31 20:53:30	fendor	lukelau, can I help with pushing PR #1245 over the finish line?
2019-08-31 20:55:11	teto	I believe there was ongoing work to support new-style (which would make cabal 3 support automatic, jsut switch to new style) but the fastest path might be to fix ghc-mod (or cabal-helper ?!) to call v1-configure instead of 'configure' (as I understood it)
2019-08-31 20:56:33	fendor	there is ongoing work to support new-style, but dont now how far it's progressed
2019-08-31 21:17:38	infinisil	fendor: teto: WilliamHamilton: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1376
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2019-08-31 22:54:25	WilliamHamilton	infinisil thanks, will watch that issue! :)
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2019-09-01 23:33:34	lukelau	Fendor: checking it out now
2019-09-01 23:34:54	lukelau	sure thing
2019-09-01 23:35:14	lukelau	Its got quite a few merge conflicts, mostly in the submodules which will be messy
2019-09-01 23:35:27	lukelau	Have you tested it with cabal-install-3.0?
2019-09-01 23:35:42	lukelau	I’ve been away from my computer all weekend, haven’t installed it yet
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2019-09-02 01:30:10	Fendor	lukelau, no, should dogfood it with cabal-install 3.0 first? does that make a difference on stack projects?
2019-09-02 01:30:49	Fendor	s/should doogfood/should I dogfood/
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2019-09-02 03:40:39	lukelau	the cabal runtime dependency might make a difference
2019-09-02 03:40:44	lukelau	although there’s also stack 2.0 now
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2019-09-02 03:40:56	lukelau	i havent paid attention to what the current situation is with c-h and that
2019-09-02 03:41:01	lukelau	but yeah dogfood away
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2019-09-02 04:12:09	Fendor	cabal 3.0 does probably not work, since build and co are now by default v2 style, and unless c-h and ghc-mod support now cabal new-style, cabal 3.0 will not work, imo
2019-09-02 04:12:20	Fendor	stack 2.1 works just as usual
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2019-09-03 13:18:55	mpickering	dxld: How big a problem is this fragmentation caused by `FastString`?
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2019-09-03 13:59:10	dxld	mpickering: what do you mean?
2019-09-03 14:01:10	mpickering	dxld: I mean, how much memory is lost because of fragmentatin
2019-09-03 14:08:11	dxld	depends on how much memory ghc was using when it was still active it seems
2019-09-03 14:08:32	dxld	I've seen it range from 50 up to 150M or so when loading just Cabal and ghc
2019-09-03 14:08:46	dxld	so my guess is that it's pretty bad
2019-09-03 14:09:02	dxld	but maybe this program is a bit of a nasty case because it just stops doing any allocations
2019-09-03 14:09:46	dxld	apparently if the GC has stuff to do it would naturally defragment stuff but since it doesn't the memory usage is stuck
2019-09-03 14:14:23	mpickering	I'm not sure it would because the blocks couldn't be freed because bytestrings are pinned?
2019-09-03 14:17:50	dxld	I don't think these are pinned blocks
2019-09-03 14:18:03	dxld	but I'll have to look into that
2019-09-03 14:19:00	dxld	but surely even pined blocks have to have some way of getting deallocated
2019-09-03 14:19:20	dxld	maybe all the pinned blocks go in dedicated Mblocks or something
2019-09-03 14:20:47	dxld	hmm
2019-09-03 14:21:08	dxld	s/Mblocks/blocks/
2019-09-03 14:21:39	mpickering	ByteString is pinned so I assume they are pinned blocks?
2019-09-03 14:22:11	dxld	you can only free a whole block at a time so it would make sense that pinned things which can't just be moved have to be freeable whenever rather than just when the block has to be cleared out because something else got removed
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2019-09-03 14:22:32	dxld	so one full 4k block per pinned bytestring regardless of size?
2019-09-03 14:22:41	dxld	sounds unlikely
2019-09-03 14:25:51	mpickering	My FastString patch now manages to build stage2 
2019-09-03 14:26:32	mpickering	but now fails if you invoke a Haskell program from within another Haskell program
2019-09-03 14:30:02	dxld	huh?
2019-09-03 14:30:07	dxld	like ghci or what?
2019-09-03 14:30:44	mpickering	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/1579#note_219912
2019-09-03 14:30:50	mpickering	If I run the haddock command line normally then it works
2019-09-03 14:31:05	mpickering	if I write a program which calls `callProcess` to call haddock then it fails
2019-09-03 14:31:22	dxld	hehe
2019-09-03 14:33:22	mpickering	I can't really think why this fails.
2019-09-03 14:43:59	luite	how does it fail?
2019-09-03 14:46:21	mpickering	It fails trying to look up something in an OccEnv
2019-09-03 14:46:52	mpickering	I assume because GHC has decided to GC the FastString from the FastString table
2019-09-03 14:47:15	mpickering	(that's what the patch is supposed to do)
2019-09-03 14:47:38	dxld	hmm
2019-09-03 14:47:58	dxld	can you make sure that is what's causing it instead of just guessing?
2019-09-03 14:48:31	mpickering	what else could it be? The program works by invoking the command directly
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2019-09-03 14:48:56	mpickering	The occ env contains the right key but the lookup fails
2019-09-03 14:48:59	dxld	which program and which command
2019-09-03 14:49:12	dxld	(I don't have all the context, sorry)
2019-09-03 14:49:55	mpickering	I linked it above
2019-09-03 14:50:13	dxld	I still don't quite grock it
2019-09-03 14:50:48	luite	I suppose it should be possible to reproduce it by forcing the GC to run before the lookup then (without invoking it from another Haskell). Maybe it's just memory pressure causing it or something
2019-09-03 14:51:25	mpickering	luite: Did you see the way I reproduced it? https://gist.github.com/mpickering/f8a5bddef67727df217104f4601dae24
2019-09-03 14:52:02	mpickering	dxld: It's haddock, running haddock on the command line works, running it via this wrapper fails
2019-09-03 14:52:05	dxld	so the stage2 compiler you build with your patch fails when you build that program?
2019-09-03 14:52:19	mpickering	No, running the executable fails
2019-09-03 14:52:19	dxld	or the built program fails at runtime
2019-09-03 14:52:29	mpickering	the stage2 compiler works
2019-09-03 14:52:40	dxld	oh
2019-09-03 14:52:41	dxld	ok
2019-09-03 14:52:51	dxld	I'm going to suggest something crazy here
2019-09-03 14:53:17	mpickering	but running a program which uses the GHC API from inside a Haskell program fails
2019-09-03 14:53:50	dxld	do you know about how the env block, the thing where linux puts the NUL terminated list of args + envvars can cause memory misalignment?
2019-09-03 14:54:01	luite	mpickering: yeah
2019-09-03 14:54:54	dxld	oh hang on the arguments and env are the same for both invocations, right?
2019-09-03 14:55:45	dxld	so that can't be related then
2019-09-03 14:56:01	mpickering	yeah, should be the same
2019-09-03 14:56:28	dxld	is $0 also exactly the same?
2019-09-03 14:57:17	mpickering	what do you mean?
2019-09-03 14:57:24	dxld	the program name
2019-09-03 14:57:52	mpickering	No?
2019-09-03 14:58:04	dxld	your reproducer calls it via a relative path but maybe the case where it works you call it via PATH
2019-09-03 14:58:24	mpickering	No I called it by the same relative path
2019-09-03 14:58:37	dxld	ok good
2019-09-03 14:59:09	dxld	(because I can't find that article which explains why this can make a difference anyways >_>)
2019-09-03 15:00:55	dxld	ah!
2019-09-03 15:01:06	dxld	because the env block is just before the beginning of the stack
2019-09-03 15:01:16	dxld	so the stack gets misaligned
2019-09-03 15:01:24	dxld	anyways that's probably not it in your case
2019-09-03 15:02:42	dxld	have you tried minimizing the environment? run the thing with `env -i` and just set the variables that are really needed
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2019-09-05 16:14:30	mpickering	lukelau: Perhaps you are interested in this - https://jvilk.com/assets/pdf/bleak.pdf
2019-09-05 16:14:44	mpickering	could be a good masters project to implement something similar for Haskell
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2019-09-05 17:21:15	NickSeagull	Hi all! I've commented here ( https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1146#issuecomment-528115443 ) if it'd make sense to have some kind of parent issue to track the quirks that newcomers might find when using HIE. I'm eager to create it, define some subtasks that can be split into other issues if needed to be tracked down and link to PRs etc...
2019-09-05 17:22:49	NickSeagull	It'd be awesome to have a clear roadmap towards "The perfect Haskell IDE experience", as I have met some people that say that they prefer using GHCID rather than HIE, because it is not stable enough. I think that this shouldn't be like this, so I'm willing to help :D
2019-09-05 17:25:18	jose_zap	NickSeagull you can just create the ticket and add your thoughts on what the ideal experience would be like for you
2019-09-05 17:26:06	jose_zap	I find HIE to be super stable for me lately, except for the somewhat predictable places where you know it will not work, like cross packages
2019-09-05 17:27:42	NickSeagull	Sounds good, I'll work on a proposal then :)
2019-09-05 17:29:28	mpickering	NickSeagull: The problem with a lot of these bug reports is that we can't reproduce them
2019-09-05 17:30:50	NickSeagull	mpickering: But they do happen, how could we work towards reproducibility? Are there any moving pieces that vary from system to system?
2019-09-05 17:31:37	mpickering	If people submitted the session log produced by `-c` then it might help but only if they could also provide the project they were working on
2019-09-05 17:31:58	mpickering	but yeah a lot varies from system to system in terms of cabal version etc
2019-09-05 17:32:26	mpickering	I consider the biggest problem that there's no way to configure how the environment is set up, which is why I fixed it with my hie-bios branch
2019-09-05 17:32:49	mpickering	Then people can really establish a robust setup as they can describe exactly what they want the environment set up to be like
2019-09-05 17:32:56	NickSeagull	Perhaps we could add a github issue template to guide them towards a good bug report?
2019-09-05 17:33:10	NickSeagull	Yes that's also something that I miss, an automated installation
2019-09-05 17:34:04	NickSeagull	If we managed to have binary releases for OSX, Windows, and Ubuntu I believe we could have a lot of stuff covered
2019-09-05 18:10:27	michaelpj	I really wish we could merge hie-bios
2019-09-05 18:10:35	michaelpj	maybe I need to set up camp outside alan's door :)
2019-09-05 18:13:11	mpickering	michaelpj: Make sure you go to the right country if you do that
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2019-09-05 18:24:18	infinisil	mpickering: How can people help with getting hie-bios merged?
2019-09-05 18:25:17	mpickering	At this current point, I think there is little left to do technically
2019-09-05 18:26:30	mpickering	The maintainers need to work out what to do about cabal-helper and decide how they want automatic project configuration to work
2019-09-05 18:27:05	infinisil	mpickering: Would just testing hie-bios help then?
2019-09-05 18:27:07	michaelpj	when you say "the maintainers" do you mean alan specifically? who do we hassle?
2019-09-05 18:27:20	michaelpj	... in the nicest possible sense of the word hassle :)
2019-09-05 18:27:39	mpickering	michaelpj: Perhaps that's the problem? No one else apart from Alan feels like they are the maintainer so it's up to him to decide this stuff
2019-09-05 18:27:46	mpickering	infinisil: Just testing it would help yes
2019-09-05 18:28:04	mpickering	especially if you use h-i-e everyday, I don't
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2019-09-05 18:28:51	mpickering	and Alan has been too busy moving to make these decisions
2019-09-05 18:28:53	infinisil	Alright, I'll consider adding a hie-bios version to https://github.com/infinisil/all-hies, which would allow all Nix people to test it easily
2019-09-05 18:29:08	mpickering	infinisil: Thanks, that would be useful
2019-09-05 18:29:10	michaelpj	infinisil: that would be great!
2019-09-05 18:29:19	michaelpj	I've been too lazy to work out how to build it recently
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2019-09-05 18:30:49	michaelpj	mpickering: could we ask alan to delegate?
2019-09-05 18:31:28	michaelpj	I think the current situation is not very good. You've done a lot of work, the consensus seems to be that it's the way to go, but it's just lingering
2019-09-05 18:34:30	mpickering	delegate to?
2019-09-05 18:35:33	mpickering	My position now is that a maintainer needs to take some ownership of the patch to get it merged with whatever modifications they feel necessary to fit into the rest of the project
2019-09-05 18:36:02	mpickering	because I'm not a maintainer I have made certain decisions about what I think is good to support; ones that can be reasonably disagreed with
2019-09-05 18:40:28	michaelpj	you? fendor? any of the other regular contributors? I don't think we should fetishize "maintainership" otherwise we end up in situation where only alan can do things forever
2019-09-05 18:40:48	michaelpj	but alan probably needs to get the ball rolling
2019-09-05 18:40:52	mpickering	ok
2019-09-05 18:41:31	michaelpj	although I'm the peanut gallery herer
2019-09-05 18:43:17	mpickering	realistically there are probably still quite a few bugs in the patch as well compared to how things work  now
2019-09-05 18:43:24	mpickering	so it will be a bit bumpy after it is merged
2019-09-05 18:43:43	mpickering	but I'm sure you can appreciate why it is not the easiest thing to get in michaelpj 
2019-09-05 18:44:32	michaelpj	oh yes I totally understand why it's tough to get in
2019-09-05 18:44:41	mpickering	one day we just have to pull the trigger
2019-09-05 18:44:49	michaelpj	I'm not saying "why hasn't someone just hit the big green button lol"
2019-09-05 18:45:05	mpickering	and accept that user's will report bugs but now we might have a chance of fixing some of them lol
2019-09-05 18:45:15	mpickering	because they're not because of something 20 layers deep in ghc-mod
2019-09-05 18:45:48	michaelpj	so that would be one way forward: just accept that since HIE is relatively new we're going to regress the stability for a bit in order to make progress
2019-09-05 18:46:17	michaelpj	e.g. I saw that there was some concern over making things work with HaRE. One approach is just: turn off HaRE for now and re-enable it when we have time to make it work
2019-09-05 18:46:37	fendor	I am not up-to-date is the hie-bios already ready to merge?
2019-09-05 18:46:59	mpickering	michaelpj: That all works now
2019-09-05 18:47:02	mpickering	All the tests pass
2019-09-05 18:47:05	mpickering	thanks to Zubin
2019-09-05 18:47:11	michaelpj	wow
2019-09-05 18:47:14	mpickering	fendor: Are you in Munich this weekend?
2019-09-05 18:47:25	michaelpj	that's much further than I thought, great stuff
2019-09-05 18:47:29	fendor	yes, I am!
2019-09-05 18:47:47	mpickering	Do you want to work on the hie-bios branch to get it into a mergeable state?
2019-09-05 18:47:52	fendor	sure! 
2019-09-05 18:48:08	mpickering	ok, I guess you will just arrive tomorrow?
2019-09-05 18:48:16	fendor	yes, 15.00 ish
2019-09-05 18:48:36	mpickering	ok, shame you'll miss most the first day
2019-09-05 18:48:39	mpickering	we'll catch up then
2019-09-05 18:49:09	mpickering	I think the main thing we need to do is patch in cabal-helper into the cradle finding logic
2019-09-05 18:50:04	mpickering	which basically means moving this code, into h-i-e somewhere - https://github.com/wz1000/cabal-helper-helper/blob/master/Main.hs
2019-09-05 18:50:08	fendor	yeah, it was not possible in another way
2019-09-05 18:50:56	mpickering	then if that is setup, all the tests should pass without doing anything and we can think about tidy-up and merging
2019-09-05 18:51:15	mpickering	Daniel will be here as well
2019-09-05 18:51:52	mpickering	I'm not very happy about having to depend on cabal-helper but such is life, at least the dependency won't be in hie-bios 
2019-09-05 18:52:13	fendor	why is the dependency on cabal-helper necessary? 
2019-09-05 18:52:26	fendor	also, which cabal-helper version will be used? 1.0 or older?
2019-09-05 18:52:43	mpickering	I guess a recent one, it's pinned in that repo I linked
2019-09-05 18:52:59	mpickering	It's not necessary but it will keep things working the same way they have been before
2019-09-05 18:53:10	fendor	or in other words, would hie-bios make the pr https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1245 unnecessary?
2019-09-05 18:53:40	mpickering	yes I think so
2019-09-05 18:53:58	mpickering	the cabal-helper cradle setup is a lot more sophisticated then the cradles I built in for cabal/stack
2019-09-05 18:54:09	mpickering	but at additional cost
2019-09-05 18:56:46	fendor	what repos did you link? only saw the all-hies, did just recently join
2019-09-05 18:56:56	mpickering	which basically means moving this code, into h-i-e somewhere - https://github.com/wz1000/cabal-helper-helper/blob/master/Main.hs
2019-09-05 18:56:58	mpickering	at 3:20
2019-09-05 18:57:14	mpickering	I need to do some changes to hie-bios as well
2019-09-05 18:57:50	mpickering	1. use HsYaml rather than yaml 2. Add an "other" cradle type and 3. Add a "Ignore" cradle type 
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2019-09-05 18:58:42	fendor	oh, sorry, misunderstood
2019-09-05 18:59:05	mpickering	I can clarify all this tomorrow in person
2019-09-05 18:59:19	mpickering	and any other questions you have about anything 
2019-09-05 18:59:22	fendor	sounds great!
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2019-09-05 19:23:02	NickSeagull	mpickering: I'm trying to wrap my head around hie-bios. What is its responsibility, connecting to GHC? Or it does more stuff?
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2019-09-05 19:37:41	fendor	NickSeagull, regarding #1381, I meant, that this service is offered by CodeTriage, no matter if there is a badge for it on hie and the badge on hie just makes it easier for people to discover the service, right? I am just interested if hie would need to enable something for it to work
2019-09-05 19:38:57	NickSeagull	Oh, no, hie would not need to do anything, its just a badge as you say :)
2019-09-05 19:39:36	fendor	alright, then I dont think there can be any harm to it :)
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2019-09-05 19:42:53	NickSeagull	\o/
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2019-09-05 19:59:17	mpickering	NickSeagull: it deals with the bit which sets up the ghc session to abstract away from ghc-mod
2019-09-05 19:59:56	NickSeagull	Ah cool, thanks
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2019-09-05 21:22:02	fendor	btw, will there be a release of HIE in the next days?
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2019-09-06 20:42:38	reactormonk	Why does the hie-wrapper jump one directory up? https://gist.github.com/reactormonk/a8e84a79adf4bfac3431d3045ee495f5
2019-09-06 20:45:33	fendor	reactormonk, maybe it found a fitting cradle one layer up? e.g., nested stack directories?
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2019-09-06 20:46:28	fendor	reactormonk, 
2019-09-06 20:46:30	fendor	sorry
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2019-09-06 20:47:59	reactormonk	one level up is just folders
2019-09-06 20:48:05	reactormonk	no files in there
2019-09-06 20:48:52	reactormonk	I'm using the hie from https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1126 (with hie-bios support)
2019-09-06 20:53:18	fendor	reactormonk, maybe a wrong outout
2019-09-06 20:56:22	fendor	does the progress bar for `initialising cradle` ever stop for you?
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2019-09-06 21:08:05	reactormonk	fendor, nope
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2019-09-06 21:08:34	fendor	reactormonk, alright, same here
2019-09-06 21:08:56	fendor	i think i know what happens, it takes the directory of the current working directory
2019-09-06 21:09:05	fendor	which is the previous dir
2019-09-06 21:09:37	reactormonk	which kinda breaks it in vscode...
2019-09-06 21:09:37	fendor	well, parent dir
2019-09-06 21:09:45	fendor	yep.
2019-09-06 21:11:16	reactormonk	workaround time? Or wait for said PR to get merged?
2019-09-06 21:12:06	fendor	i am currently trying to modify in Cradle.hs in hie-bios the function `findCradleWithOpts` to not jsut take the directory
2019-09-06 21:12:09	fendor	dunno if that works
2019-09-06 21:12:15	fendor	but I will take a closer look tomorrow
2019-09-06 21:14:16	reactormonk	Neat, thanks
2019-09-06 21:15:52	fendor	still dies so no fix
2019-09-06 21:16:07	fendor	hopefully, tomorrow
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2019-09-07 01:16:10	infinisil	Ehh, so regarding hie-core
2019-09-07 01:16:16	infinisil	What the hell?
2019-09-07 01:17:06	infinisil	This one guy makes pretty much the same thing as haskell-ide-engine, duplicating effort, and then calls it hie-core in the hopes of it becoming part of haskell-ide-engine?
2019-09-07 01:18:06	infinisil	I'm just watching the talk he gave <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cijsaeWNf2E>, but I'm 23mins in and he has not yet addressed this
2019-09-07 01:19:42	infinisil	For like 10 minutes he talks about how Haskell doesn't have a good IDE, and the solution he came up is to make a completely different project that does exactly the same as an already somewhat established project that could use some help? 
2019-09-07 01:32:28	benkolera	I think that this came a lot from the work that Digital Asset does with DAML and needing slightly weird usecases. https://github.com/digital-asset/daml/tree/master/compiler/hie-core . There was also a little bit of collaboration trying to merge hie-bios and hie-core, but it seemed to have stalled a little. mpickering is the one to talk to there. :) https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/issues/9
2019-09-07 01:33:25	benkolera	Feels like there is some work to do there but it may not be as evil and NIH as you first thought. :)
2019-09-07 01:35:21	infinisil	He seems to be rather fond of hie-bios indeed, but I'm just wondering why he's so silent about haskell-ide-engine
2019-09-07 01:37:00	infinisil	He credits alanz and mpickering at https://youtu.be/cijsaeWNf2E?t=2861 for the work on the GHC API and hie-bios, but then also says "Ah and also [he] maintains the haskell-ide-engine, which is another, you know, somewhat related, maybe totally related IDE" 
2019-09-07 01:44:51	infinisil	Yeah that's it, no other mention of haskell-ide-engine
2019-09-07 01:46:50	infinisil	Ah there's something here: https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/c7t95e/thoughts_for_a_haskell_ide/eshgj4x/
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2019-09-07 14:30:48	mpickering	fendor: Are you here?
2019-09-07 14:31:02	fendor	just wrote you on slack, yeah!
2019-09-07 14:31:14	mpickering	ok where are you
2019-09-07 14:31:16	mpickering	can you stand up right now
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2019-09-07 16:13:27	fendor	reactormonk, regarding your issue yesterday, you have to pull in ./hie-bios and relax the tmeporary lower bound to 1.2
2019-09-07 16:20:11	reactormonk	fendor, What do you mean by "pull in ./hie-bios"?
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2019-09-07 16:57:03	fendor	reactormonk, in hie-bios,git pull
2019-09-07 17:01:18	reactormonk	fendor, a bug in the temporary library?
2019-09-07 17:02:04	fendor	reactormonk, no, just too tight bounds, afaik
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2019-09-07 17:03:01	reactormonk	building with 1.3 anyway, since stack init
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2019-09-07 17:05:19	reactormonk	I don't see any new commits on the hie-bios branch, but I copied the newest binary from the hie-bios branch (the submodule as a separate repo here atm), no change.
2019-09-07 17:07:15	fendor	if you do git log, what is the latest commit?
2019-09-07 17:08:25	reactormonk	commit b193b31cdfc0e3e246610d4f7e62e88843c26f7f (HEAD -> master, origin/master, origin/HEAD)
2019-09-07 17:08:37	reactormonk	(on hie-bios)
2019-09-07 17:08:40	fendor	the date?
2019-09-07 17:08:40	reactormonk	commit 373a474c789aa56e96aff74162b0da936b2ddb41 (HEAD -> hie-bios, origin/hie-bios)
2019-09-07 17:08:51	reactormonk	Date:   Sat Sep 7 09:41:44 2019 +0100
2019-09-07 17:09:05	reactormonk	I'm not sure hie-bios ever gets invoked though
2019-09-07 17:10:01	fendor	it is for me at least
2019-09-07 17:10:32	fendor	but the commit looks good
2019-09-07 17:11:56	reactormonk	https://gist.github.com/reactormonk/793ed366f010ab841ce5228e982fa207 only hie directly invoked here (?)
2019-09-07 17:12:56	fendor	did you rebuilt after git oull in hie-bios?
2019-09-07 17:13:32	reactormonk	Yeah
2019-09-07 17:17:05	fendor	weird. did you add the changes in the git submodule?
2019-09-07 17:19:22	reactormonk	No, not really. I checked out master there.
2019-09-07 17:19:32	reactormonk	-Subproject commit 2b6228fea7691cb25d1d6494fce77d95edc0b539
2019-09-07 17:19:35	reactormonk	+Subproject commit 2058082f64e5323acc25426d1cf01f8a581376a3
2019-09-07 17:19:44	reactormonk	... then I rebuilt haskell-ide-engine
2019-09-07 17:20:14	reactormonk	... lemme rebuild again
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2019-09-07 17:20:40	reactormonk	Nope, same
2019-09-07 17:20:49	fendor	git submodules are really complicated to get right, imo...
2019-09-07 17:21:17	reactormonk	Nah, just gotta update them from time to time ;-)
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2019-09-07 19:57:47	mpickering	dxld: https://gist.github.com/40cae7a764899342cc7ac01e5a912611
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2019-09-07 21:48:05	reactormonk	Somehow current master doesn't compile with HaRe              > gcc: error: .stack-work/dist/x86_64-linux-tinfo6/Cabal-2.4.0.1/build/Language/Haskell/Refact/Utils/TypeUtils.dyn_o: No such file or directory
2019-09-07 21:48:18	reactormonk	I rm -rf'd .stack-work, didn't help
2019-09-07 21:50:50	reactormonk	ah, wrong .stack-work
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2019-09-08 06:11:14	lukelau	Making a new release of haskell-lsp{,-types} for ghc 8.8
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2019-09-08 06:53:54	infinisil	lukelau: Nice!
2019-09-08 07:53:39	lukelau	infinisil: lsp-test is blocked by safe-exceptions, i’ve pinged the mantainer so fingers crossed that gets bumped soon
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2019-09-09 04:26:16	pikajude	here's an error i'm getting while using hie with vscode https://gist.github.com/pikajude/df670f64e4019fade6f46002a21936e6
2019-09-09 04:26:31	pikajude	looks like it's looking for a TH symbol in the aeson lib, but i'm not sure why
2019-09-09 04:26:37	pikajude	and the symbol name is much too long to google :)
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2019-09-09 17:28:55	jose_zap	Was there any work done on merging hie-bios into hie during munihac?
2019-09-09 17:29:14	jose_zap	I'm very curious to see if I could help with whatever work is remaining
2019-09-09 17:30:13	fendor	jose_zap, I was looking at problems
2019-09-09 17:30:30	fendor	that is not a sentence, I mean, I was experimenting with it
2019-09-09 17:31:11	fendor	I merged with current master and resolved conflicts
2019-09-09 17:31:20	fendor	there is a bug with hie-wrapper that can be easily solved
2019-09-09 17:31:50	fendor	however, currently there are a few weird cases. There is a race condition between persisting a file in the vfs in haskell-lsp and typechecking
2019-09-09 17:32:26	fendor	can be roughly reproduced by opening a file, waiting for it to typecheck and then closing the file. An error is thrown by haskell-lsp in that case
2019-09-09 17:32:44	fendor	s/closing the file/ closing the file before typechecking finished/
2019-09-09 17:33:20	jose_zap	hmm ok... would it be possible to add that as a test to help with the debugging?
2019-09-09 17:33:51	jose_zap	do you have your integration branch published anywhere? would like to experiment with it and help where possible
2019-09-09 17:34:05	fendor	possibly. it was suggested by mpickering to just not throw an error in haskell-lsp and ignore it for now
2019-09-09 17:34:46	jose_zap	if it only happens when closing a file then I guess it can be safely ignored
2019-09-09 17:35:22	fendor	jose_zap, I can publish the branch, but it is not cleaned up at the moment
2019-09-09 17:35:35	jose_zap	alright
2019-09-09 17:37:11	fendor	jose_zap, before publish, I would replace the git submodule with the hackage depedency hie-bios
2019-09-09 17:45:48	fendor	ok, not possible to replace with hackage version. 
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2019-09-09 19:04:17	fendor	joehillen, hie-bios merged with current master https://github.com/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/tree/merge-hie-bios
2019-09-09 19:04:34	fendor	joehillen, sorry, that was by accident
2019-09-09 19:04:40	fendor	jose_zap, hie-bios merged with current master https://github.com/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/tree/merge-hie-bios
2019-09-09 19:05:02	jose_zap	cool, I'll play with it this evening
2019-09-09 19:07:10	fendor	jose_zap, it currently works for me. Dont forget to use a hie.yaml file, although I am not sure if it is actually honoured
2019-09-09 19:07:37	jose_zap	are there any docs or examples for that file?
2019-09-09 19:08:14	jose_zap	this? https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios#explicit-configuration
2019-09-09 19:08:22	fendor	yeah, exactly
2019-09-09 19:08:34	jose_zap	cool
2019-09-09 19:08:42	mpickering	The problem with the error is that it might actually be an error, if the file is meant to be in the map
2019-09-09 19:08:57	mpickering	it just happens that the situtation we run into is a race condition where the file isn't meant to be in a map
2019-09-09 19:09:00	mpickering	but something expects it to be there
2019-09-09 19:09:09	mpickering	I'm not sure really how to debug this though
2019-09-09 19:09:17	mpickering	perhaps we need some better concurrency testing of hie
2019-09-09 19:09:52	fendor	mpickering, I can currently reproduce the bug pretty reliably by hand, when I have time, maybe this evening, I can try to debug it
2019-09-09 19:11:25	mpickering	oh right thanks
2019-09-09 19:11:29	mpickering	is it possible to write a test for it?
2019-09-09 19:11:41	mpickering	are you sure you are using the right branch? I remember fixing a more obvious example of this
2019-09-09 19:11:54	mpickering	mpickering/hie-bios is the correct one I believe
2019-09-09 19:13:20	fendor	pretty sure, the latest commit from that branch is in my git history
2019-09-09 19:13:57	fendor	however, it may be smarter to try and debug that issue on your branch first, maybe I re-introduced the bug by merging somehow
2019-09-09 19:16:06	fendor	this evening, I will try to add a test to your branch that reproduces the error
2019-09-09 20:27:03	mpickering	thanks fendor, how bad was the rebase? 
2019-09-09 20:27:05	mpickering	There were some bad ones
2019-09-09 20:29:07	fendor	did not rebase so far but merge commits. Merging itself was pretty much trivial
2019-09-09 20:29:46	fendor	should I rather rebase? It is no problem.
2019-09-09 20:31:25	reactormonk	fendor, newest update got it to work btw
2019-09-09 20:31:55	fendor	reactormonk, which update?
2019-09-09 20:34:09	reactormonk	fendor, don't know, built the engine from master and it worked
2019-09-09 20:35:07	mpickering	fendor: No, it's way too painful to rebase
2019-09-09 20:35:14	mpickering	We will do a squash merge in the end I think
2019-09-09 20:36:22	fendor	mpickering, great
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2019-09-09 20:37:57	fendor	mpickering, then I can probably open the pr for your branch in the next days
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2019-09-09 23:22:12	reactormonk	Is there an option to download sources so HIE supports goto def for dependencies?
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2019-09-10 15:17:51	jose_zap	with hie-bios, do we still depend on ghcmod?
2019-09-10 15:28:16	fendor	jose_zap, no, i dont think so
2019-09-10 15:28:36	jose_zap	what about cabal-helper-helper and the wrapper?
2019-09-10 15:28:56	jose_zap	I'm asking because those deps were making it harder for us to package a hie binary
2019-09-10 15:29:52	fendor	jose_zap, cabal-helper we do need, but cabal-helper-helper should no longer be required afaik. But we have to integrate the functionality of cabal-helper-helper
2019-09-10 15:30:02	fendor	yeah, afaik, this should enable static builds
2019-09-10 15:30:17	jose_zap	exciting, one more reason to merge that branch soon
2019-09-10 15:30:47	fendor	unfortunately it is still rather unstable. Did you also observer the bug we described yesterday?
2019-09-10 15:30:56	jose_zap	I did
2019-09-10 15:31:05	jose_zap	using your instructions
2019-09-10 15:31:17	jose_zap	what other problems did you experience?
2019-09-10 15:32:57	fendor	jose_zap, occasional bugs, e.g. Data.Text.last errored
2019-09-10 15:34:06	fendor	polysemy-plugin bug crept in again, maybe https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/17 fixes it
2019-09-10 15:34:40	fendor	I cant recall if multiple components do work
2019-09-10 15:35:21	fendor	and last but not least, I think although I have a hie.yaml that ought to use cabal, it still uses stack to build everything. This may have been caused by merging
2019-09-10 15:35:26	jose_zap	that has never worked... if it does it would be a major surprise to me
2019-09-10 15:36:44	fendor	jose_zap, well, it kind of did. E.g. with stack, it was possible to get typechecked modules for hie-plugin-api package. Which is a major plus for me when discovering code
2019-09-10 15:37:39	jose_zap	you mean on hie without the bios branch?
2019-09-10 15:37:45	fendor	yes
2019-09-10 15:38:06	fendor	maybe it still works, I just dont recall atm
2019-09-10 15:38:06	jose_zap	interesting, I can predictably stall hie by switching to another component
2019-09-10 15:45:14	fendor	switching components must be expensive since compile flags may change, right?
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2019-09-10 16:34:42	jose_zap	fendor right
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2019-09-10 18:34:00	tabaqui1	is it ok, that hie has HaRe as a submodule and HaRe itself has hie as a submodule?
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2019-09-10 18:43:58	fendor	tabaqui1, yes, that is fine
2019-09-10 18:44:02	fendor	weird but fine
2019-09-10 18:44:37	tabaqui1	it looks like, I have to clone each of them twice
2019-09-10 18:44:45	tabaqui1	different commits, I guess
2019-09-10 18:46:06	fendor	you do not have to use --recursive
2019-09-10 18:47:07	tabaqui1	yeah, I mean, that I have two copies of each root somewhere
2019-09-10 18:47:25	tabaqui1	I dunno, do you have a plan to fix this?
2019-09-10 18:53:24	fendor	tabaqui1, it is fixed as soon as HaRe and Hie can be uploaded to hackage
2019-09-10 18:53:40	tabaqui1	cool
2019-09-10 18:56:16	fendor	which may take a while
2019-09-10 19:19:50	NickSeagull	fendor: you mention "Once hie is relatively stable", what is missing for it to be stable?
2019-09-10 19:25:29	fendor	NickSeagull, hie-bios needs to land, as well as cabal-helper 1.0. In general, when hie and all of its dependencies can be uploaded to hackage
2019-09-10 19:28:53	fendor	well, that is probably a bad indicator for stability. but stack and cabal support should work realibly, then I would say we can take care of such features. Otherwise it introduces more maintenance burden before core functionality properly works
2019-09-10 19:35:54	NickSeagull	are there any key issues regarding stack and cabal support?
2019-09-10 19:35:59	NickSeagull	fendor
2019-09-10 19:37:11	fendor	well, support for cabal 3.0 for example. but I think this may be solved by hie-bios and cabal-helper 1.0? I am not sure, though
2019-09-10 19:38:14	NickSeagull	I'd love to help, but I'm not sure where, apart from the binaries thing ofc
2019-09-10 19:39:09	fendor	binaries are pretty much doomed to fail before cabal-helper 1.0 has landed, afaik
2019-09-10 19:39:48	fendor	so, take a look at https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1245 and compare how much works, what works and doesnt work
2019-09-10 20:07:27	NickSeagull	Great, thanks!
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2019-09-11 16:53:49	fendor	does hie-bios currently recompile on every change? e.g. does it queue change notifications and compiles them one after another?
2019-09-11 16:55:58	fendor	s/hie-bios/hie with hie-bios/
2019-09-11 17:01:40	fendor	almost every call of withMappedFile and persistVirtualFile is susceptible to a race condition
2019-09-11 17:02:49	jose_zap	is it going a different route than our event loop?
2019-09-11 17:02:57	jose_zap	we had an event loop for that specific reason
2019-09-11 17:03:31	fendor	yes, typechecking is hapenning in the ghcmod thread, as far as I can tell
2019-09-11 17:04:20	fendor	although that thread does no longer exist, strictly speaking
2019-09-11 17:05:00	fendor	but still, there are two main threads, the event loop and IdeM functions, right?
2019-09-11 17:06:00	jose_zap	right
2019-09-11 17:06:40	fendor	typechecking goes through the IdeM functions but uses persistVirtualFile, which has been newly introduced
2019-09-11 17:06:50	fendor	actualy, what triggers type checking?
2019-09-11 17:10:03	fendor	maybe a workaround, can we ask for the file in VFS and get a maybe if it does not exist?
2019-09-11 17:10:14	fendor	in a thread safe manner?
2019-09-11 17:21:48	fendor	is that what reverse file map is for?
2019-09-11 17:28:42	jose_zap	> actualy, what triggers type checking?
2019-09-11 17:28:51	jose_zap	the requestDiagnostics function does
2019-09-11 17:30:52	jose_zap	I think if there is a risk for a race condition we should make a more principled design where either it is impossible to express the case or we are forced to think about it on each operation
2019-09-11 17:30:59	jose_zap	that's what the event loop was for
2019-09-11 17:35:14	fendor	what is the purpose of reverse file map? given a temporary file path, it returns the original filepath?
2019-09-11 17:39:15	mpickering	fendor: yes
2019-09-11 17:43:26	mpickering	fendor: is the correct solution to cancel the typechecking requests when a module is closed? 
2019-09-11 17:44:15	mpickering	Or more generally all requests 
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2019-09-11 17:47:45	fendor	yeah, I think that would be the best solution
2019-09-11 17:49:45	mpickering	Unless that already happens...
2019-09-11 17:50:41	fendor	I dont think that happens at the moment
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2019-09-11 17:51:03	fendor	module caches get deleted
2019-09-11 17:52:02	mpickering	Yeah
2019-09-11 17:54:07	fendor	but that does not cancel requests right?
2019-09-11 17:54:37	fendor	I think the work around is pretty simple: use reverse file map. however, that is very expensive, as I have understood it, right?
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2019-09-11 18:21:22	fendor	if opening a document persists a file from the VFS in FS, why does type checking try to persist that file as well?
2019-09-11 18:24:42	fendor	oh, i see, we just want the location of the temporary file. 
2019-09-11 18:26:45	fendor	which might no longer exist. Or exist, but no longer be mapped to a file
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2019-09-11 18:35:52	fendor	currently in hie, can already running GHC actions be cancelled?
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2019-09-11 19:07:24	mpickering	fendor: No, you have to use async for that
2019-09-11 19:07:45	mpickering	I think we don't want to *start* the action if the document is not available
2019-09-11 19:07:52	mpickering	not cancel it if it starts running
2019-09-11 19:08:03	mpickering	because the requests should all be handled in the right order yes?
2019-09-11 19:08:54	mpickering	I don't think that cancelling an already running action is right
2019-09-11 19:10:17	fendor	typechecking and closing the document happens in paralle, so, if typechecking invokes `persistVirtualFile`, it is a race condition
2019-09-11 19:10:29	fendor	in this sense, I think `withMappedFile` always permits this race 
2019-09-11 19:11:31	mpickering	Hmm, so all events can happen in parallel?
2019-09-11 19:11:46	mpickering	surely some of them should block, like, closing a file
2019-09-11 19:11:54	fendor	no, client events always happen sequential while ghc requests happen sequential
2019-09-11 19:12:12	fendor	those two though may happen in parallel
2019-09-11 19:12:48	mpickering	So we're clear here
2019-09-11 19:12:58	mpickering	the race is 1. Use requests typecheck
2019-09-11 19:13:02	mpickering	*user 
2019-09-11 19:13:06	mpickering	2. User closes file
2019-09-11 19:13:23	fendor	yeah
2019-09-11 19:14:47	mpickering	and the race happens because the close file event somehow happens before the call to persistVirtualFile is made?
2019-09-11 19:14:55	fendor	yes
2019-09-11 19:15:13	fendor	one of them
2019-09-11 19:15:28	mpickering	So one solution is to cancel the typecheck when delete happens
2019-09-11 19:15:40	mpickering	I suppose we must already be using async for this race to happen
2019-09-11 19:15:48	mpickering	How are the actions spawned?
2019-09-11 19:16:50	fendor	not sure, I think there is a queue of requests that hie reads from and executes the actions as they come in.
2019-09-11 19:17:12	fendor	interesting module is Scheduler.hs, I think
2019-09-11 19:17:42	mpickering	looking
2019-09-11 19:18:27	mpickering	There is already this `requestsInProgress` field
2019-09-11 19:18:42	fendor	I think that is meant for `withProgress`.
2019-09-11 19:18:49	mpickering	I don't think so
2019-09-11 19:18:57	mpickering	I didn't add that bit anyway :)
2019-09-11 19:19:08	mpickering	It has quite a good comment, so probably not me
2019-09-11 19:19:19	mpickering	Or rather I should say, the comment uses Haddock syntax
2019-09-11 19:19:36	mpickering	ok so there are two chans, ideChan and ghcChan
2019-09-11 19:19:48	fendor	exactly
2019-09-11 19:19:53	mpickering	and I suppose the delete event gets sent down the ideChan
2019-09-11 19:19:57	fendor	yes
2019-09-11 19:20:55	fendor	and typecheck requests are sent via ghcChan somehow, did not follow that logic yet how it actually arrives at `typecheck_load`
2019-09-11 19:20:55	mpickering	So what do we want the semantics to be here?
2019-09-11 19:21:12	fendor	I am not sure, I am thinking about it. 
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2019-09-11 19:21:30	fendor	I think type-checking should be cancelled if the document gets closed
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2019-09-11 19:21:57	mpickering	So that means all events currently in progress in the ghc thread should be cancelled?
2019-09-11 19:22:10	mpickering	I think document close is mostly handled in haskell-lsp
2019-09-11 19:22:38	fendor	in haskell-lsp it jsut uses `closeVFS` to remove the VirtualFile from the VFS
2019-09-11 19:22:56	fendor	while in Hie, we remove module caches
2019-09-11 19:23:14	mpickering	Where is the close event handled?
2019-09-11 19:23:19	mpickering	in hie
2019-09-11 19:24:11	fendor	LspStdio.hs at the pattern match `NotDidCloseTextDocument`
2019-09-11 19:24:21	fendor	should be line 498
2019-09-11 19:24:46	mpickering	thanks
2019-09-11 19:25:00	mpickering	Line 180 in the scheduler is where the events get dispatched
2019-09-11 19:25:15	mpickering	You can see there that the currently live events are not tracked
2019-09-11 19:26:35	fendor	unless they have pinLspReqId in which case it is added to the set of requestsInProgress
2019-09-11 19:27:13	mpickering	Yeah I am guessing the intent of this it to keep track of the events which are cancelled by vscode
2019-09-11 19:27:39	fendor	didnt know vscode can cancel requests, too...
2019-09-11 19:28:16	mpickering	"The base protocol offers support for request cancellation."
2019-09-11 19:28:26	mpickering	Ok so the handler for NotDidCloseTextDocument clearly does not cancel the ghc thread
2019-09-11 19:28:42	mpickering	so we need to throw an async exception to the currently running ghc action
2019-09-11 19:29:01	mpickering	now where's the bit which reads from the ghc chan
2019-09-11 19:29:17	fendor	in Scheduler.hs:292
2019-09-11 19:31:35	mpickering	ok so I think we probably don't want to use race here
2019-09-11 19:32:04	mpickering	we should try using a combinator which takes two `Async` values and races them
2019-09-11 19:32:21	mpickering	hmm
2019-09-11 19:32:30	mpickering	this is actually tricky isn't it
2019-09-11 19:32:41	mpickering	because we have only one thread for all the files
2019-09-11 19:33:16	mpickering	I think the hie-core architecture would probably make this way easier
2019-09-11 19:34:32	fendor	dont know about that one, but since caching is implemented via shake, that explicit problem we have right now seems to be easier.
2019-09-11 19:34:45	fendor	or might be easier to solve
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2019-09-11 19:35:56	mpickering	I think it is easier for them because all their actions run in `IO`
2019-09-11 19:36:17	mpickering	So they have `typecheck :: HscEnv -> ... -> IO TcResult`
2019-09-11 19:36:37	mpickering	and then you can use `async` to fork each action and cancel each action individually
2019-09-11 19:36:42	mpickering	rather than dealing with this monolith
2019-09-11 19:36:56	mpickering	because we can't cancel the whole ghc thread and just start again as it contains requests for other modules as well
2019-09-11 19:40:19	mpickering	The only thing I can think would work is to dispatch the `Close` event to the ghc thread, so it's guaranteed to be well ordered 
2019-09-11 19:41:02	mpickering	I wonder how this used to work
2019-09-11 19:41:21	fendor	i think it didnt work properly
2019-09-11 19:41:55	fendor	ghc mod was taking care of this afaik and if you updated or looked at a temp file that was no longer mapped in haskell-lsp, it jsut didnt matter that much
2019-09-11 19:42:38	mpickering	ok
2019-09-11 19:42:52	mpickering	Really persistVirtualFile is quite unsafe isn't it
2019-09-11 19:42:56	fendor	yeah
2019-09-11 19:43:28	fendor	i grepped for `error` and the amount of error calls is quite astonishing 
2019-09-11 19:45:08	mpickering	What do you think happens if you request a typecheck of a file which was never opened?
2019-09-11 19:45:46	fendor	you never opened at all or when you open it?
2019-09-11 19:45:48	mpickering	I suppose in theory a lsp server could send a save event without sending an open event
2019-09-11 19:45:58	mpickering	*lsp client
2019-09-11 19:46:31	fendor	yeah, true, that may happen
2019-09-11 19:46:43	mpickering	or that might be disallowed by the protocol?
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2019-09-11 19:48:58	fendor	a work around may be to pattern match manually on the virtual file and only persist it if there is no temporary file. This would make it more unlikely that this error occurs.
2019-09-11 19:49:44	mpickering	Explain that one to me again
2019-09-11 19:50:11	fendor	well, currently we call `persistVirtualFile`, however, that virtual file may no longer exist and calls error 
2019-09-11 19:50:30	fendor	we could get the VirutalFile, which is a safe operation, e.g. `Filepath -> IO  (Maybe VirtualFile)`
2019-09-11 19:51:09	fendor	this virtual file may or may not have been persisted. If it had been persisted, operate on that, otherwise, persist it using `persistVirtualFile`
2019-09-11 19:51:56	mpickering	ok this sounds like an acceptable workaround but we also need to document why it isn't fixed properly (by removing the race condition)
2019-09-11 19:52:20	mpickering	I don't understand still
2019-09-11 19:52:23	mpickering	the issue is that the file has been deleted from the VFS
2019-09-11 19:52:55	fendor	yeah and we call persistVirtualFile which looks for the VirtualFile and if this had been removed from the VFS it errors instead of returning Nothing
2019-09-11 19:53:07	mpickering	So before calling typecheck module we should do a lookup in the VFS, if the file isn't in the VFS then it's been closed in the meantime so just don't do anything
2019-09-11 19:53:24	fendor	yes
2019-09-11 19:53:24	mpickering	^ big comment where this check happens
2019-09-11 19:53:37	mpickering	If it is in the VFS then we have to persist the virtual file to a tmp file
2019-09-11 19:54:10	mpickering	So we should define a version of persistVirtualFile which takes a continuation argument for the case where the file is there
2019-09-11 19:54:28	mpickering	and then call that on the outside of typecheckModule
2019-09-11 19:54:53	mpickering	`persistVirtualFile :: FilePath -> (VirtualFile -> IO a) -> IO a`
2019-09-11 19:55:03	mpickering	`persistVirtualFile :: FilePath -> IO a -> (VirtualFile -> IO a) -> IO a`
2019-09-11 19:55:36	mpickering	then the failure case can return `IdeFailedM` or whatever it's called
2019-09-11 19:56:15	fendor	that sounds very similar to `withMappedFile`, which we also have to fix in a similar way
2019-09-11 19:56:28	fendor	since it calls `persistVirtualFile`
2019-09-11 19:59:05	mpickering	yeah we need to remove this call to error in persistVirtualFile
2019-09-11 19:59:07	mpickering	it's too risky
2019-09-11 19:59:57	fendor	that would probably be a breaking change in haskell-lsp
2019-09-11 20:00:04	fendor	I can start a discussion on github
2019-09-11 20:00:40	mpickering	you mean because persistVirtualFile will have changed
2019-09-11 20:00:41	mpickering	?
2019-09-11 20:00:52	mpickering	I added that solely for use in h-i-e
2019-09-11 20:01:22	mpickering	I think persistVirtualFile is just a helper though? you can define another version in your library code if you like
2019-09-11 20:01:23	fendor	yeah, I have seen that in the commit history :) to replace ghc-mod functionality, right?
2019-09-11 20:01:27	mpickering	however, we should just remove it
2019-09-11 20:01:38	mpickering	and add a safe version where you have to handle the failure explicitly
2019-09-11 20:02:01	fendor	alright, this is in my opinion the best course of action
2019-09-11 20:03:32	mpickering	it's the easiest I think but I'm not that happy
2019-09-11 20:03:36	mpickering	as there is still this race condit
2019-09-11 20:03:39	mpickering	ion
2019-09-11 20:04:55	fendor	I agree. However, how should the behaviour be? cancelling every request on that document?
2019-09-11 20:05:41	mpickering	yeah but we can't do that because there's only one thread
2019-09-11 20:05:49	mpickering	where all the different ghc actions run
2019-09-11 20:06:27	fendor	maybe we can refactor that a bit after hie-bios has been merged
2019-09-11 20:07:42	mpickering	yeah I think it's possible
2019-09-11 20:08:39	fendor	me too.
2019-09-11 20:09:21	fendor	and currently I am pretty fit with how hie works, so I am actually starting to feel comfortable in the project
2019-09-11 20:09:22	mpickering	I am pretty impressed with how fast hie-core is tbh
2019-09-11 20:09:42	mpickering	did you try it at all at the weekend?
2019-09-11 20:09:46	fendor	no
2019-09-11 20:09:51	fendor	mainly worked on hie-bios
2019-09-11 20:10:10	mpickering	I was just pleased that my branch was more already responsive than current h-i-e
2019-09-11 20:11:00	fendor	is it faster because it is not based on ghc-mod?
2019-09-11 20:12:05	mpickering	because I reimplemented all the module loading logic I think which made it simpler
2019-09-11 20:12:26	mpickering	we also did lots of other fixes though didn't we
2019-09-11 20:12:35	mpickering	like making TypeMap and LocMap faster
2019-09-11 20:12:40	fendor	yeah, better syb traversal
2019-09-11 20:13:06	mpickering	syb traversal is still awful here, we could still do better.
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2019-09-11 20:15:38	mpickering	Andres was suggesting that we used some template haskell in order to generate optimal traversal code 
2019-09-11 20:15:44	mpickering	using geniplate perhaps - https://hackage.haskell.org/package/geniplate-0.6.0.5/docs/Data-Generics-Geniplate.html
2019-09-11 20:16:14	mpickering	the issue is that because GHC doesn't derive `Generic` instances for all types that you can't do typed generic programming with it
2019-09-11 20:19:48	fendor	oh my, the next complex topic I have no clue about. Maybe after cabal-helper and hie-bios are merged :D 
2019-09-11 20:21:58	mpickering	I think using `instanceTransformBi` would work hmm
2019-09-11 20:22:18	mpickering	perhaps I will try this on a rainy day
2019-09-11 20:23:19	fendor	with a nice cop of tea and biscuits
2019-09-11 20:24:37	mpickering	now I'm finally done travelling for this summer I can have some uninterrupted programming time again
2019-09-11 20:34:42	fendor	I have some more travelling to do, I am going to germany again in 2 weeks
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2019-09-12 02:38:39	fendor	mpickering, i took me the whole day, but now I almost got the bug: initialising the cradle happens before NotDidOpenDocument gets processed. Which would be fine, however, NotDidOpenDocument sends a message to the ghcDispatcher, which is currently busy with initialising the cradle
2019-09-12 02:39:34	fendor	this message is to persist the virtual file to the disk
2019-09-12 02:40:34	fendor	Then NotDidOpenDocument arrices and deletes the virtual file. After the cradle has been intialised, which also for some reason compiles the module, the queues NotDidOpenDocument request gets executed, tries to persist the deleted virtual file and throws the error
2019-09-12 02:41:02	fendor	however, NotDidOpenDocument does no longer have to send the persistVirtualFile message to the ghcdispatcher, since we no longer use ghc-mod
2019-09-12 02:41:45	fendor	it can persist the file immediately sparing us this particular race condition
2019-09-12 02:45:21	fendor	open question: why does the cradle initialisation happen before everything else? Where is that specified?
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2019-09-12 03:16:04	mpickering	fendor: Wow, great work
2019-09-12 03:22:42	mpickering	fendor: The cradle gets initialised by the call to `runActionWithContext`.
2019-09-12 03:28:27	mpickering	I'm not sure I understand 100% still. Did you mean to write CloseDocument at some point rather than `OpenDocument`?
2019-09-12 03:31:39	mpickering	So you're saying the cradle gets initialised before the NotDidOpenDocument event gets handled?
2019-09-12 03:34:42	mpickering	So about cradle initialisation, in `ghcDispatcher` there is the `runner` function which wraps all events in the cradle initialisation
2019-09-12 03:35:06	mpickering	I'm not sure what the point of all the `withProgress` wrappers are
2019-09-12 03:35:50	mpickering	It does look like the ghcDispatcher has logic already to only run events if they are for the current version of the file
2019-09-12 03:36:17	mpickering	perhaps another way to fix this is to increase some version number on deletion
2019-09-12 03:36:28	mpickering	that's the `runIfVersionMatch` function
2019-09-12 03:39:37	fendor	ohh, yeah, that is interesting information! for now i have a work around, will commit it soon
2019-09-12 03:41:38	mpickering	ok sounds good
2019-09-12 03:41:56	mpickering	I would like to understand more about what exactly is happening, perhaps you can explain tomorrow after sleeping on it
2019-09-12 03:42:14	fendor	yeah, i will try
2019-09-12 03:44:53	mpickering	or write it in an issue so there is some more permanent record. looking forward to reading it
2019-09-12 03:45:02	mpickering	bedtime for me, talk later
2019-09-12 03:45:09	fendor	good night!
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2019-09-12 14:05:21	fendor	jose_zap, if you pull from the branch `merge-hie-bios`, the issue of the VFS has been resolved yesterday, if you would mind dogfooding it a bit?
2019-09-12 14:05:42	jose_zap	sure! I'll play with it this afternoon
2019-09-12 14:06:09	jose_zap	aside: seem like ghcide is getting some traction
2019-09-12 14:06:29	fendor	jose_zap, yes there is a lot of hype around it atm
2019-09-12 14:07:23	jose_zap	it's cool to see that the lsp idea is catching up in Haskell
2019-09-12 14:08:01	jose_zap	I looked the the code and seems super clean. The architecture really makes the actual business code stand out
2019-09-12 14:08:12	jose_zap	wonder if we should seriously consider merging efforts
2019-09-12 14:09:18	fendor	yeah, it is possibility
2019-09-12 14:10:17	fendor	on munihac, ndmitchell asked what is necessary for us (hie-contrubitors) to merge efforts
2019-09-12 14:10:33	fendor	s/is possibility/is a possibility/
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2019-09-12 15:12:13	jose_zap	I certainly hope we can merge efforts
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2019-09-12 16:17:22	fendor	jose_zap, but currently it looks like "merge efforts" means, drop haskell-ide-engine and maybe migrate plugins. Which may make sense, though. The underlying designs seems to be easier to reason about
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2019-09-12 16:55:09	jose_zap	fendor I know it hurts in the ego, but maybe that's for the better. The efforts here culminated in th creation of haskell-lsp, the test suite and hie-bios
2019-09-12 17:30:26	fendor	jose_zap, yeah, but I am in favour of merging if the commuication between the two project is adequate.
2019-09-12 17:30:35	fendor	jose_zap, btw, will there be a release for hie this month?
2019-09-12 17:30:59	jose_zap	alanz is the one making the realases, but I'm happy to take the lead on that if he is unavailable
2019-09-12 17:35:31	fendor	you can do releases?
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2019-09-12 21:44:20	mpickering	fendor: your diagrams look awesome
2019-09-12 21:44:30	mpickering	I'll try to have a good read tonight
2019-09-12 21:45:09	fendor	I hope the issue will now become more clear!
2019-09-12 21:59:26	mpickering	Why did you add back the vomit synonym?
2019-09-12 22:00:43	fendor	mpickering, because the vscode extensions relies on it being present
2019-09-12 22:01:09	fendor	https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/src/extension.ts#L147
2019-09-12 22:01:26	fendor	when you tell hie to be chatty, the flag `--vomit` is supplied
2019-09-12 22:02:01	mpickering	Ok
2019-09-12 22:02:44	fendor	does that make sense? 
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2019-09-13 01:13:12	jneira	hey people, someone is using vscode+hie in windows?
2019-09-13 01:16:48	jneira	master dont work in my windows 10, it hangs and dont respond to any hover ot code action :-(
2019-09-13 01:18:17	jneira	but the :func-test suite terminates :-/
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2019-09-13 02:50:09	mpickering	Fendor: I am reading your comment now if you're here
2019-09-13 02:50:37	Fendor	mpickering, I am here
2019-09-13 02:52:01	mpickering	Why does opening a file call persistVirtualFile?
2019-09-13 02:54:29	Fendor	I suppose, if you opened a file, it can be reasoned that it might be modified? 
2019-09-13 02:54:54	Fendor	I think persisting a file on opening is pointless, however, the same function is invoked on file change and file save
2019-09-13 02:55:52	mpickering	the file should be persisted in setTypecheckModule?
2019-09-13 02:56:10	mpickering	I don't understand the reason for it happening on a change/save
2019-09-13 02:56:23	mpickering	your first bit of explanation makes sense
2019-09-13 02:56:28	mpickering	to me 
2019-09-13 02:57:13	Fendor	on save/on change, the virtual file might be modified, and some tools read this temporary file, such as HaRe, ApplyRefact and HsImport
2019-09-13 02:57:54	mpickering	but if they need it won't they call `withMappedFile` first? which deals with persisting? or not
2019-09-13 02:58:05	mpickering	onto the second diagram, I am a bit confused
2019-09-13 02:59:26	mpickering	1. A message is still sent to the GHC thread to persist the file? 
2019-09-13 02:59:33	mpickering	2. What is the `return ()`?
2019-09-13 03:00:26	Fendor	I see, my explanation is kind of confusing. 1. A message is still sent to the GHC thread which triggers the cradle initialisation.
2019-09-13 03:00:27	mpickering	"In short, we persist the Virtual File immediately in a blocking action, so no race can occur."
2019-09-13 03:00:42	mpickering	What is the action which is sent?
2019-09-13 03:01:17	Fendor	the action is roughly `return ()`. So, after the cradle has been initialised, the action immediately returns. This is mainly to trigger type checking for a file.
2019-09-13 03:02:03	mpickering	so it just initialises the cradle?
2019-09-13 03:02:06	Fendor	yes
2019-09-13 03:02:35	mpickering	So the solution here is to just execute the persistVirtualFile in the ide thread rather than the GHC thread?
2019-09-13 03:02:39	Fendor	yes
2019-09-13 03:02:43	mpickering	So it's action has to be well ordered with other VFS updates
2019-09-13 03:02:51	Fendor	yeah, exactly
2019-09-13 03:03:00	mpickering	ok that sounds good 
2019-09-13 03:03:05	Fendor	that is better wording
2019-09-13 03:03:39	mpickering	thanks for digging into this. I was no where close to understanding the problem yet
2019-09-13 03:04:34	Fendor	no problem! it was rather complicated to understand
2019-09-13 03:04:40	Fendor	for me at least
2019-09-13 03:04:45	mpickering	Fendor: The thing about `vomit` makes sense but I really dislike the name of the option, which is why I changed it. 
2019-09-13 03:05:25	Fendor	mpickering, I agree, but I think we need at least one release where the option is still present
2019-09-13 03:05:40	mpickering	yep, I looked at the commit now and it looks sensible
2019-09-13 03:06:18	Fendor	so, now remaining on my tick list is the cabal-helper-helper thingy and this weird message about missing modules
2019-09-13 03:06:46	mpickering	yeah the message about missing modules come from using the cabal cradle as it sets `-fbuilding-cabal-library`
2019-09-13 03:07:05	mpickering	and then we invoke the GHC API to just load a single module, and the flag checks to see if you list them all
2019-09-13 03:07:44	mpickering	So I think the solution is to make the initialisation function turn off `-fbuilding-cabal-library`
2019-09-13 03:07:59	Fendor	ah, I think I understand. 
2019-09-13 03:08:04	Fendor	a patch to hie-bios?
2019-09-13 03:08:12	Fendor	should I try to take care of that?
2019-09-13 03:09:32	mpickering	yeah that would be nice. I don't think hie-core has this problem because it doesn't use the the GHC API functions in hie-bios
2019-09-13 03:09:37	mpickering	the option to unset is called `Opt_BuildingCabalPackage`
2019-09-13 03:09:49	mpickering	you can see where the warning comes from in `compiler/main/GhcMake.hs`
2019-09-13 03:10:40	Fendor	regarding a the cabal-helper-helper stuff, is this actually currently used? It seems to me, we are not actively using cabal-helper, just in the Build Plugin.
2019-09-13 03:11:38	mpickering	actually used where?
2019-09-13 03:11:49	mpickering	in the current master branch?
2019-09-13 03:12:00	Fendor	in the hie-bios branch
2019-09-13 03:12:43	mpickering	No cabal-helper is not used at all currently
2019-09-13 03:13:25	Fendor	for what do we need it?
2019-09-13 03:13:36	mpickering	In order to find the cradle
2019-09-13 03:13:53	mpickering	We don't "need" it but it makes things more backwards compatible 
2019-09-13 03:14:12	mpickering	At least that is my understanding of things
2019-09-13 03:14:27	mpickering	I think all the tests only pass if you use cabal-helper-helper
2019-09-13 03:15:11	mpickering	So you need to modify the bit which calls `findCradle` 
2019-09-13 03:15:22	mpickering	If the found cradle is from a `hie.yaml` file then use that
2019-09-13 03:15:28	mpickering	otherwise call `cabal-helper` to find the cradle
2019-09-13 03:15:34	Fendor	alright
2019-09-13 03:15:37	mpickering	you might need to modify hie-bios to make this possible
2019-09-13 03:15:54	Fendor	no, why? we do have the `findCradle` and `loadCradle` functions
2019-09-13 03:16:16	Fendor	we just have to replace the `loadImplicitCradle` function with `cabal-helper-helper` function
2019-09-13 03:16:29	mpickering	I'm not sure it's possible to work out whether the cradle comes from a config file or not
2019-09-13 03:16:42	mpickering	You have changed the API since I last inspected the code thogh
2019-09-13 03:16:50	Fendor	findCradle just looks for the hie.yaml file
2019-09-13 03:16:56	mpickering	I won't have laptop access from tomorrow but on Monday I have a long train ride 
2019-09-13 03:16:57	mpickering	ok
2019-09-13 03:17:06	Fendor	loadCradle can load the cradle based on the hie.yaml
2019-09-13 03:17:28	Fendor	loadImplicitCradle uses your heuristic to find the cradle
2019-09-13 03:17:50	Fendor	instead of that, it should use cabal-helper
2019-09-13 03:18:21	Fendor	no problem, I think, I might actually be able to figure it out.
2019-09-13 03:18:44	Fendor	with this information I understand it a bit better
2019-09-13 03:21:10	mpickering	And I guess if cabal-helper fails then call my heuristic
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2019-09-13 03:26:43	Fendor	jose_zap, are you still awake?
2019-09-13 03:26:50	jose_zap	sort of
2019-09-13 03:27:12	jose_zap	couldn't find the time to test your branch again this evening :(
2019-09-13 03:27:24	jose_zap	Fendor what's up? :)
2019-09-13 03:27:47	Fendor	no worries, we got time. However, I wanted to ask, if we can do a release of hie at some point? 
2019-09-13 03:28:06	Fendor	also, if you have the rights to add azure as a CI options? 
2019-09-13 03:29:23	jose_zap	yes, I can cut a new release soon
2019-09-13 03:29:31	jose_zap	but I don't have the rights to add azure
2019-09-13 03:29:54	Fendor	hm, release changelog would be actually pretty sparse
2019-09-13 03:30:05	Fendor	mainly internal changes and documentation changes
2019-09-13 03:30:30	jose_zap	yeah, I think that's fine
2019-09-13 03:31:12	Fendor	ok, so, just stick with the monthly releases? and for the CI, I have to pester alan z, right?
2019-09-13 03:32:11	jose_zap	yeah, or anyone with admin rights in the haskell org
2019-09-13 03:32:25	jose_zap	I remember that adding travis took several month, not even alanz had rights for it
2019-09-13 03:32:32	Fendor	oh my.
2019-09-13 03:33:11	jose_zap	having it under the haskell org umbrella has been a bit of a hassle
2019-09-13 03:33:35	Fendor	did not expect that, but it makes sense.
2019-09-13 03:35:20	Fendor	however, after hie-bios got ready to merge, I would like to tackle cabal-helper 1.0. Or do you think, we should tackle it the other way round?
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2019-09-13 03:36:09	jose_zap	how do you mean Fendor ?
2019-09-13 03:36:43	Fendor	well, there is your pr https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1245/files which has been open for months
2019-09-13 03:37:09	jose_zap	that's lukelau's PR 
2019-09-13 03:37:14	jose_zap	I'm lorenzo in github
2019-09-13 03:37:22	Fendor	dang it, i am tired as well :/
2019-09-13 03:37:22	jose_zap	but I think hie-bios should be first
2019-09-13 03:37:25	Fendor	sorry
2019-09-13 03:37:26	jose_zap	:D
2019-09-13 03:37:28	jose_zap	no worries
2019-09-13 03:37:41	Fendor	and in my defense, i am very bad with names :/
2019-09-13 03:37:53	jose_zap	same for me
2019-09-13 03:38:22	Fendor	i even looked at the github page to compare and for some reason, it matched for me *facepalm*
2019-09-13 03:39:18	Fendor	I am terrible sorry :/
2019-09-13 03:41:33	Fendor	Then I will try to tackle hie-bios
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2019-09-13 04:19:18	jneira	finally i've filled an issue about: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1386
2019-09-13 04:19:42	jneira	hi fendor! good luck with azure ;-)
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2019-09-13 21:26:42	fendor_	wz1000, iirc, you took care of the test-suite in hie/hie-bios branch?
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2019-09-13 21:38:19	fresheyeball	hiya infinisil 
2019-09-13 21:38:30	infinisil	Hello there, so you have problems with hie?
2019-09-13 21:38:38	fresheyeball	yessir
2019-09-13 21:39:20	fresheyeball	ghcide --help
2019-09-13 21:39:26	fresheyeball	Starting ghcide (GHC v8.4)
2019-09-13 21:39:28	infinisil	That's not haskell-ide-engine
2019-09-13 21:39:59	fresheyeball	ok
2019-09-13 21:40:02	fresheyeball	hie --help
2019-09-13 21:40:09	fresheyeball	haskell-ide-engine - Provide a common engine to power any Haskell IDE
2019-09-13 21:40:17	fresheyeball	Version 0.9.0.0 x86_64 ghc-8.4.3
2019-09-13 21:40:44	fresheyeball	in my project I am using ghc843
2019-09-13 21:40:51	fresheyeball	and everything is provided by nix
2019-09-13 21:41:01	fresheyeball	I do development in the nix-shell
2019-09-13 21:41:06	 *	infinisil nods
2019-09-13 21:41:20	fresheyeball	nix-shell followed by cabal configure succeeds without issue
2019-09-13 21:41:23	fresheyeball	as does cabal build
2019-09-13 21:41:42	fresheyeball	if I run `hie --lsp` I get this
2019-09-13 21:41:49	fresheyeball	2019-09-13 10:11:32.412367175 [ThreadId 4] - Using plain GHC version
2019-09-13 21:41:51	fresheyeball	2019-09-13 10:11:32.448548179 [ThreadId 4] - Run entered for HIE(hie) Version 0.9.0.0 x86_64 ghc-8.4.3
2019-09-13 21:41:53	fresheyeball	2019-09-13 10:11:32.448788323 [ThreadId 4] - Current directory:/home/isaac/_/kassir
2019-09-13 21:41:55	fresheyeball	which looks right to me
2019-09-13 21:42:08	infinisil	That does look pretty normal
2019-09-13 21:42:19	fresheyeball	I launch nvim with LanguageClient from inside the nix-shell
2019-09-13 21:42:40	fresheyeball	I get the following error
2019-09-13 21:43:10	fresheyeball	[LC] [Error] Got error while processing diagnostics: <command line>: cannot satisfy -package-id HTTP-4000.3.12-asdalskdjasldk
2019-09-13 21:43:45	fendor_	I suppose, cabal-helper is not aware of the packages that are installed via nix
2019-09-13 21:44:12	infinisil	fresheyeball: Did you try the things described in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#cannot-satisfy--package-id-package ?
2019-09-13 21:45:17	fresheyeball	infinisil: I did
2019-09-13 21:45:21	fresheyeball	let me try again though to be sure
2019-09-13 21:45:37	infinisil	Restart HIE after too
2019-09-13 21:46:11	fresheyeball	no change
2019-09-13 21:46:25	fresheyeball	perhaps I should be supplying cabal-helper in the nix-shell?
2019-09-13 21:49:27	infinisil	Nah
2019-09-13 21:49:43	infinisil	fresheyeball: Okay so because I noticed this, I suggest you to update to the most recent version, 0.12.0.0
2019-09-13 21:49:54	infinisil	I've gotten much fewer problems in more recent versions
2019-09-13 22:00:39	fresheyeball	oh this is interesting
2019-09-13 22:00:48	fresheyeball	I tried adding cabal-helper to the shell
2019-09-13 22:00:51	fresheyeball	and it failed to build
2019-09-13 22:01:34	infinisil	That doesn't mean anything and can't solve the problem
2019-09-13 22:02:01	infinisil	The cabal-helper used by hie is completely separate from a cabal-helper in your projects dependencies
2019-09-13 22:02:41	fresheyeball	infinisil: does your repo have the new version of hie for 843?
2019-09-13 22:02:51	infinisil	Yup
2019-09-13 22:03:38	fresheyeball	running this noe
2019-09-13 22:03:40	fresheyeball	now
2019-09-13 22:03:42	fresheyeball	`nix-env -iA unstable.selection --arg selector 'p: { inherit (p) ghc843; }' -f https://github.com/infinisil/all-hies/tarball/master `
2019-09-13 22:04:02	infinisil	No need for unstable
2019-09-13 22:04:24	infinisil	(though now it doesn't matter since it's the same as stable)
2019-09-13 22:07:09	fresheyeball	ok Version 0.12.0.0 x86_64 ghc-8.4.3
2019-09-13 22:08:01	fresheyeball	no change
2019-09-13 22:09:06	infinisil	I see, okay I'd try checking all the executable paths
2019-09-13 22:09:20	infinisil	Is the GHC in nvim the correct one?
2019-09-13 22:09:26	infinisil	Is the cabal in nvim the correct one
2019-09-13 22:09:36	infinisil	(by correct I mean the same one that you have in the nix-shell)
2019-09-13 22:10:14	infinisil	You can probably do that by finding the process in htop and look at the paths
2019-09-13 22:10:19	fresheyeball	ok
2019-09-13 22:10:25	fresheyeball	I opened nvim inside the nix-shell
2019-09-13 22:10:33	fresheyeball	and opened a terminal inside nvim
2019-09-13 22:10:46	fresheyeball	I ran `which ghc`
2019-09-13 22:10:49	infinisil	Ah that should work yeah
2019-09-13 22:11:05	fresheyeball	and it matches and provides a nix-store path
2019-09-13 22:11:11	fresheyeball	I ran `which nvim`
2019-09-13 22:11:24	fresheyeball	and got `/etc/profiles/per-user/isaac/bin/nvim`
2019-09-13 22:11:27	fresheyeball	which is what I expect
2019-09-13 22:11:33	fresheyeball	I ran `which hie`
2019-09-13 22:11:35	fresheyeball	and got
2019-09-13 22:11:47	fresheyeball	/home/isaac/.nix-profile/bin/hie
2019-09-13 22:11:50	fresheyeball	which is also what I expect
2019-09-13 22:12:27	fresheyeball	anything else I can check?
2019-09-13 22:12:59	fresheyeball	oh wait
2019-09-13 22:13:11	fresheyeball	I need to make sure nvim picked up my change to hie from ghcide
2019-09-13 22:13:48	infinisil	cabal
2019-09-13 22:14:15	fresheyeball	cabal-install-2.2.0.0
2019-09-13 22:14:18	fresheyeball	nix store path
2019-09-13 22:14:22	fresheyeball	matches the shell
2019-09-13 22:15:06	fresheyeball	ok yeah I ensured that nvim is running `hie --lsp`
2019-09-13 22:15:08	fresheyeball	no change
2019-09-13 22:15:12	infinisil	Also try `cabal build` within that shell
2019-09-13 22:15:27	fresheyeball	succeeded
2019-09-13 22:17:07	infinisil	Hm..
2019-09-13 22:17:51	fresheyeball	oh btw
2019-09-13 22:17:58	fresheyeball	the error only shows up once I save a file
2019-09-13 22:18:14	infinisil	What's your nvim setup?
2019-09-13 22:18:23	fresheyeball	I am using SpaceVim
2019-09-13 22:18:41	fresheyeball	config is stored in nix
2019-09-13 22:21:15	fresheyeball	infinisil: I just sent you a private message with a tmux
2019-09-13 22:25:16	infinisil	fresheyeball: How did that .ghc.environment file get there?
2019-09-13 22:25:46	fresheyeball	infinisil: I don't know
2019-09-13 22:25:58	fresheyeball	I don't know what generates it
2019-09-13 22:26:09	infinisil	fresheyeball: It's the new-build commands that generate it
2019-09-13 22:26:14	infinisil	And dist-newstyle too
2019-09-13 22:26:33	fresheyeball	no idea how it came back then
2019-09-13 22:26:43	fresheyeball	oh wait I know
2019-09-13 22:26:54	fresheyeball	When I run ghcid it uses `new-repl`
2019-09-13 22:26:57	fresheyeball	because its faster
2019-09-13 22:27:07	infinisil	Ahh, that's probably the problem
2019-09-13 22:27:16	fresheyeball	it can't be
2019-09-13 22:27:19	fresheyeball	I just deleted it again
2019-09-13 22:27:22	fresheyeball	and same error
2019-09-13 22:27:35	infinisil	Removed the files too?
2019-09-13 22:27:44	fresheyeball	what files?
2019-09-13 22:27:47	infinisil	The dist-newstyle and .ghc.environment files, and then restarted
2019-09-13 22:28:23	fresheyeball	same error
2019-09-13 22:28:28	infinisil	Did the files come back?
2019-09-13 22:28:43	infinisil	Hm nope
2019-09-13 22:29:15	 *	infinisil thinks
2019-09-13 22:30:12	infinisil	Oh
2019-09-13 22:30:16	infinisil	There's a stack.yaml
2019-09-13 22:30:48	infinisil	While I don't think hie should have a problem with stack, I always use just cabal
2019-09-13 22:30:49	fresheyeball	ok lets kill it
2019-09-13 22:30:54	fresheyeball	I am not using stack
2019-09-13 22:31:04	infinisil	Yeah I'd try without it, I think hie uses stack if it can find a stack.yaml
2019-09-13 22:31:05	fresheyeball	its there so I can run a couple stack specific tools like weeder
2019-09-13 22:31:29	fresheyeball	no change
2019-09-13 22:32:10	infinisil	Do you know how you can look at the stderr in nvim?
2019-09-13 22:32:19	fresheyeball	I don't
2019-09-13 22:32:33	infinisil	I think we might get some more clues with lsp --vomit (to get ghc-mod errors on stderr), and then looking at that
2019-09-13 22:32:41	fresheyeball	ok
2019-09-13 22:33:24	infinisil	fresheyeball: I'd also add `-l /tmp/hie.log`
2019-09-13 22:33:42	infinisil	Like `hie --vomit -d -l /tmp/hie.log` or so
2019-09-13 22:35:33	fresheyeball	infinisil:can you widen your terminal please?
2019-09-13 22:35:57	fresheyeball	yeah same error
2019-09-13 22:37:13	fresheyeball	hmm how to see stderr
2019-09-13 22:37:53	infinisil	fresheyeball: Let's look at /tmp/hie.log
2019-09-13 22:38:00	fresheyeball	it's not there
2019-09-13 22:39:37	infinisil	Hmm
2019-09-13 22:39:40	infinisil	Well some things left to try are to just create a minimal project to see if it works there
2019-09-13 22:39:46	fresheyeball	that is interesting
2019-09-13 22:39:50	infinisil	And then to switch to the latest ghc version (8.6.5)
2019-09-13 22:39:51	fresheyeball	if I run nvim outside the nix shell
2019-09-13 22:39:56	fresheyeball	it gets the project root wrong
2019-09-13 22:40:07	infinisil	Ohh
2019-09-13 22:40:27	infinisil	That would be important to get right
2019-09-13 22:40:36	fresheyeball	actually now it just gets it wrong in general
2019-09-13 22:40:44	fresheyeball	I think since I removed stack.yaml
2019-09-13 22:41:14	infinisil	With emacs I can force the project root with a .projectile file
2019-09-13 22:41:33	infinisil	Maybe there's a way for nvim too
2019-09-13 22:41:47	infinisil	I'm not entirely sure what rules it uses by default
2019-09-13 22:42:44	fresheyeball	I am setting it explictly'
2019-09-13 22:42:46	infinisil	Ah, I guess for testing you can use a hie argument
2019-09-13 22:43:24	fresheyeball	still got it wrong
2019-09-13 22:43:55	infinisil	Can you start a htop beside to see the path and arguments?
2019-09-13 22:44:22	fresheyeball	I don;t have the tmux skill to split
2019-09-13 22:44:57	infinisil	And with htop you can also press "e" to see the environment variables of a process which might be useful
2019-09-13 22:47:02	fresheyeball	I just don't know how to get side by side in tmux
2019-09-13 22:47:11	fresheyeball	I guess I will htop in tmux and open the editor outside
2019-09-13 22:48:57	 *	infinisil trying to find hie
2019-09-13 22:49:01	fresheyeball	infinisil:sec
2019-09-13 22:49:04	fresheyeball	I need to start it
2019-09-13 22:49:07	fresheyeball	had to respond on slack
2019-09-13 22:49:27	fresheyeball	infinisil: ok should be there now
2019-09-13 22:49:38	infinisil	Weird that so many languageclients are running, or no?
2019-09-13 22:49:48	fresheyeball	I don't know
2019-09-13 22:49:53	fresheyeball	we could kill them
2019-09-13 22:50:02	fresheyeball	I didn't know htop could do this
2019-09-13 22:50:37	infinisil	It doesn't look like the arguments were used
2019-09-13 22:50:48	infinisil	It's just hie-8.4.3 --lsp
2019-09-13 22:50:53	fresheyeball	I see that
2019-09-13 22:51:47	fresheyeball	yup fuck me
2019-09-13 22:54:31	infinisil	fresheyeball: Want to figure out on your own why the nvim thing doesn't apply the arguments?
2019-09-13 22:54:59	fresheyeball	infinisil: how are you getting htop to show this?
2019-09-13 22:55:06	fresheyeball	then I can debug on my own for a while
2019-09-13 22:55:11	infinisil	To show what?
2019-09-13 22:55:15	fresheyeball	the command
2019-09-13 22:55:21	infinisil	Ah you can search with \
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2019-09-13 22:55:28	infinisil	Or /, one of them
2019-09-13 22:55:29	fresheyeball	cool!
2019-09-13 22:55:40	fresheyeball	ok yeah I am good until I figure this out and there is no change haha
2019-09-13 22:55:40	infinisil	Also press h for a bunch of other commands
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2019-09-13 22:56:21	infinisil	Well the project root thing might be the problem right?
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2019-09-13 22:56:47	infinisil	By having it apply the arguments we can find out whether that's the case
2019-09-13 22:57:10	infinisil	(and it's good having --vomit and -l /tmp/hie.log in there too for debugging)
2019-09-13 22:58:18	infinisil	So after that I'd try figuring out how to change the project root in the nvim LSP client. And if that doesn't work either I'd try figuring out how to get stderr of the hie process
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2019-09-14 00:19:45	mpickering	Fendor__: did you need help with the testsuite?
2019-09-14 00:44:35	Fendor__	mpickering, yeah, I am confused how it is supposed to work
2019-09-14 00:44:57	Fendor__	it seems to require cabal-helper-helper to be on the path
2019-09-14 00:45:32	Fendor__	however, at least for me, cabal-helper-helper failed on most projects if cabal build or configure had been used before
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2019-09-14 00:48:11	Fendor	s/had been/had not been/
2019-09-14 00:49:33	Fendor	also, unsetting Opt_BuildingCabalPackage does only change the warning message regarding unlisted modules. what could work is to unset Opt_WarnMissingHomeModules  but I dont know the ramification of that change
2019-09-14 00:51:13	mpickering	Sounds fine
2019-09-14 00:51:36	mpickering	What's the error message?
2019-09-14 00:52:18	fendor_	example on a project: https://hastebin.com/liruvuvipa.rb
2019-09-14 00:52:41	fendor_	writing from two devices
2019-09-14 00:53:00	mpickering	You are using cabal 3?
2019-09-14 00:53:41	fendor_	oh, do I have to compile cabal-helper-helper with cabal 3 do get cabal 3 support? 
2019-09-14 00:53:43	fendor_	that makes sense
2019-09-14 00:53:48	fendor_	I compiled it with cabal 2.4
2019-09-14 00:53:51	mpickering	No
2019-09-14 00:54:04	mpickering	Hmm
2019-09-14 00:54:17	fendor_	i can try it
2019-09-14 00:54:22	mpickering	I am wondering if the dist folder exists
2019-09-14 00:54:26	mpickering	No
2019-09-14 00:54:38	mpickering	cabal-helper should deal with this afaik
2019-09-14 00:54:38	fendor_	it does not exist if cabal v2-build is used
2019-09-14 00:56:24	mpickering	Tbh I don't know the status of new-build support for cabal-helper
2019-09-14 00:56:29	mpickering	What commit is used in h-i-e currently?
2019-09-14 00:56:29	mpickering	Does it match something in upstream?
2019-09-14 00:56:29	mpickering	What commit is used in h-i-e currently?
2019-09-14 00:56:39	fendor_	wait a sec
2019-09-14 00:56:53	fendor_	eafed5e8c1d82b8daa35775b52361132f2e70261
2019-09-14 00:57:10	fendor_	that definitely does not support cabal 3
2019-09-14 00:57:21	fendor_	but I tried wz1000 cabal-helper-helper repo
2019-09-14 00:57:43	mpickering	Does it match something in upstream?
2019-09-14 00:57:43	mpickering	What commit is used in h-i-e currently?
2019-09-14 00:57:43	mpickering	Does it match something in upstream?
2019-09-14 00:59:27	fendor_	yeah, there is a match
2019-09-14 01:00:02	mpickering	I remember dxld complaining that the submodule tracked a fork
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2019-09-14 01:00:20	fendor_	yeah, it does a fork of alanz
2019-09-14 01:00:29	fendor_	it does track a fork of alan
2019-09-14 01:00:39	mpickering	However we should probably force a new cabal-helper hackage release since the plan is to depend on it
2019-09-14 01:02:44	fendor_	Is it even possible to depend on it? And what about new build support? 
2019-09-14 01:03:48	mpickering	I thought there was a branch for new-build support?
2019-09-14 01:04:06	fendor_	idk.
2019-09-14 01:04:29	fendor_	and I dont know how I could annoy for it.
2019-09-14 01:05:16	fendor_	*who
2019-09-14 01:05:23	mpickering	Look on DanielG/new-build
2019-09-14 01:06:03	fendor_	there is a pr for it, too, but it is wip
2019-09-14 01:10:17	fendor_	however, other than that, I think my pr can be merged into hie-bios branch, as soon as we unset Opt_WarnMissingHomeModules. 
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2019-09-14 22:33:40	mpickering	fendor: the structure of the dependencies cradle is a bit wrong imo
2019-09-14 22:34:00	mpickering	You should make the dependencies field an IO action I think
2019-09-14 22:34:30	mpickering	So it's possible to query the build tool
2019-09-14 22:34:57	mpickering	At the moment the dependency resolution happens when you build the cradle as well which is wrong
2019-09-14 22:35:04	mpickering	It should happen when you initialise it
2019-09-14 22:36:14	fendor	mpickering, that makes sense! I can comment that on the issue.
2019-09-14 22:36:35	fendor	are you opposed to the idea though to add a cradle-dep field to hie.yaml?
2019-09-14 22:37:08	mpickering	Hmm, it makes sense for the direct cradle
2019-09-14 22:37:30	mpickering	And also the program cradle perhaps needs an additional field
2019-09-14 22:37:44	fendor	it also would make it simple to work around any overlooked special case
2019-09-14 22:37:52	mpickering	Yeah
2019-09-14 22:37:58	mpickering	Perhaps globally makes sense
2019-09-14 22:38:29	mpickering	But you should modify the bios cradle to allow specifying a program to run to get the deps as well
2019-09-14 22:38:39	mpickering	Not sure of the best way to do this
2019-09-14 22:38:40	mpickering	Gtg
2019-09-14 22:38:58	fendor	so, somehting like: cradle: { cabal: ...; cradle-deps: ... }?
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2019-09-15 21:17:14	mpickering	fendor: did you sort out your problems?
2019-09-15 21:17:31	fendor	mpickering, no, couldnt get the tests to run
2019-09-15 21:24:57	fendor	mpickering, however, I think we can merge the pr to hie/hie-bios. Remaining issues are the tests, disabling Opt_WarnMissingHomeModules and cabal-helper-helper. 
2019-09-15 21:25:25	mpickering	Ok
2019-09-15 21:26:14	mpickering	If cabal-helper doesn't work with cabal 3 then it seems a bit useless to add default support for it
2019-09-15 21:26:26	mpickering	Did you try an older version of cabal?
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2019-09-15 21:27:43	fendor	afaik, cabal-helper does not support the new-style commands. So, it works, if you invoked cabal v1-build beforehand 
2019-09-15 21:29:33	fendor	using cabal-helper-helper after using cabal v1-build: https://pastebin.com/VWFuijXA
2019-09-15 21:29:42	fendor	I think the issue is related to nixos though
2019-09-15 21:31:12	fendor	btw, your fork works very nicely on cabal.
2019-09-15 21:33:26	wz1000	fendor: i got most of the tests other than the liquid haskell ones to work
2019-09-15 21:34:09	fendor	wz1000, very exciting! how did you do that? there seems to be an implicit dependecy on cabal-helper-helper, right?
2019-09-15 21:34:26	wz1000	yes
2019-09-15 21:34:44	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-ide-engine/blob/1cbae7898c4fd5b006fdd2387d7a9c7c3c2c77ce/test/testdata/gototest/.hie-bios
2019-09-15 21:34:57	wz1000	these files are where the magic happens
2019-09-15 21:35:35	fendor	this requires and overhaul of the CI, since those do not have this exe installed, right?
2019-09-15 21:36:52	wz1000	yes. But I think we can just move the c-h-h code into either c-h, hie-bios or hie
2019-09-15 21:37:09	wz1000	https://gist.github.com/wz1000/9e2b6595690a89ab189e59d40ba572f8
2019-09-15 21:37:26	wz1000	that was my final progress on the functests
2019-09-15 21:38:01	fendor	that looks great! is everything in the hie-bios branch?
2019-09-15 21:38:27	wz1000	yes
2019-09-15 21:39:00	fendor	alright, so, theoretically, everything should just work as expected, assuming a clean git tree and c-h-h on the path?
2019-09-15 21:39:06	wz1000	yup
2019-09-15 21:39:19	wz1000	c-h-h is a very hacky and buggy piece of code though
2019-09-15 21:39:59	fendor	yeah, it looks a bit like it. Does it support cabal new-style builds?
2019-09-15 21:40:02	wz1000	it might fail horribly on paths with spaces, Main modules, and complicated project structures
2019-09-15 21:40:19	wz1000	yeah, it uses the new cabal-helper
2019-09-15 21:40:38	fendor	how can I try that on a simple project? 
2019-09-15 21:41:01	fendor	I tried, cabal-helper-helper . Bar.hs, where previously cabal v2-build was executed, but it failed
2019-09-15 21:41:03	wz1000	just use the .hie-bios file I linked
2019-09-15 21:41:11	wz1000	what did it say?
2019-09-15 21:41:54	fendor	actually this time it worked? 0.o
2019-09-15 21:42:01	fendor	now it is installing Cabal 3.0
2019-09-15 21:42:12	fendor	alright, no more questions, thank you very much!
2019-09-15 21:42:31	wz1000	the . should be the root of the project directory where the .cabal file lives
2019-09-15 21:43:30	fendor	yeah, I executed it on the same project... oh wait, https://pastebin.com/yFpWGc8f
2019-09-15 21:43:45	fendor	if i only built a project with v2-build, I have to build it with v1-build to work
2019-09-15 21:44:33	fendor	sorry, that was not a straight sentence, if I only built a project with v2-build and execute `cabal-helper-helper . Bar.hs` this errror message is shown:  https://pastebin.com/yFpWGc8f
2019-09-15 21:45:13	wz1000	that shouldn't happen
2019-09-15 21:45:24	wz1000	do you have a cabal.project file
2019-09-15 21:45:36	fendor	no
2019-09-15 21:46:13	fendor	but it works, if `cabal --version` is 3.0.0.0 and I execute `cabal build`. So, `cabal build` distdir is different to cabal v2-build? 
2019-09-15 21:46:46	wz1000	yeah, you need a cabal.project file to make c-h know to use new-build
2019-09-15 21:47:09	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/cabal-helper/blob/6c4880f7fa6e23a7f9d073bae3721f31b8d89e80/lib/Distribution/Helper/Discover.hs
2019-09-15 21:47:09	fendor	ok, good to know, we should probably document that somewhere
2019-09-15 21:48:14	fendor	yeah, alright, works for me! 
2019-09-15 21:49:24	fendor	thank you very much, then I will get started on trying to move the code c-h-h to hie
2019-09-15 21:55:49	mpickering	Thanks wz1000 
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2019-09-16 07:01:15	pikajude	hi, I'm using hie with vscode
2019-09-16 07:01:29	pikajude	when I enable TemplateHaskell in one of my modules, I get an error from ghc-mod that the dynamic linker isn't initialised
2019-09-16 07:01:41	pikajude	but this doesn't seem to be an issue the average user suffers from
2019-09-16 07:01:54	pikajude	how can i debug this?
2019-09-16 07:04:11	pikajude	https://gist.github.com/pikajude/85668156e13887f69ff5b4961e6caa64
2019-09-16 07:07:29	pikajude	it's not this issue https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/issues/108 because i'm not using stack or macos
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2019-09-16 15:44:57	mpickering	fendor: What's the latest with the travis stuff?
2019-09-16 15:45:50	fendor	mpickering, what do you mean? Travis ci works for ghc 8.4.4 and ghc 8.6.4, and I just opened a pr for ghc 8.2.2 that adds ghc 8.2.2 to travis
2019-09-16 15:46:01	mpickering	but do I need to enable it for the repo/
2019-09-16 15:46:17	fendor	oh, yes, I think so
2019-09-16 15:46:21	fendor	wait a second
2019-09-16 15:46:25	mpickering	I'm not really sure we want 8.2.2 support though..
2019-09-16 15:46:36	mpickering	my branch doesn't build with anything earlier than 8.6
2019-09-16 15:47:26	fendor	your branch of hie-bios? it builds in ci and seemed to work fine in smoke testing
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2019-09-16 15:47:41	fendor	I think you have to enable travis for hie-bios in https://travis-ci.org/account/repositories
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2019-09-16 15:48:03	mpickering	my branch of haskell-ide-engine
2019-09-16 15:48:40	fendor	i am working on it
2019-09-16 15:48:53	fendor	https://dev.azure.com/haskell-ide-engine/haskell-ide-engine-fendor/_build/results?buildId=195
2019-09-16 15:49:44	fendor	it looks alright, or are there any things that ought to break with earlier versions of ghc?
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2019-09-16 15:50:17	mpickering	I just implemented some instances using deriving via
2019-09-16 15:50:41	fendor	yeah, I am currently thinking about how to resolve that
2019-09-16 15:50:55	mpickering	yeah well I tried to implement them normally and it melted my brain
2019-09-16 15:51:52	fendor	oh, yeah, I was afraif of that. Cant we just "look" at the generated code? :D But I suppose, it doesnt just spit out haskell source
2019-09-16 15:58:00	fendor	however, hie-bios may still support ghc 8.2.2, right?
2019-09-16 16:03:51	mpickering	Yeah.. but if it adds lots of CPP then I would rather not
2019-09-16 16:03:59	mpickering	If the CPP is in one module it's ok
2019-09-16 16:04:22	mpickering	You can use -ddump-deriv to look at the generated code
2019-09-16 16:04:32	mpickering	I remember this still didn't help loads
2019-09-16 16:06:21	mpickering	I am thinking on the train I will work on adding some tests to hie-bios
2019-09-16 16:06:43	fendor	it is just 2 cpp expressons I added to Gap.hs
2019-09-16 16:07:49	fendor	and I had to replace one occurence of (<>) with (++) but everywhere else (++) is used anyways, and the types are explicitly String, so, I figured, that is fine, too.
2019-09-16 16:08:02	fendor	yeah, tests would be great.
2019-09-16 16:22:53	mpickering	I also need to look at this plugin issue
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2019-09-16 16:42:38	mpickering	fendor: I enabled travis now
2019-09-16 16:43:09	mpickering	fendor: So you think I should look into adding tests or is there something more useful I can do?
2019-09-16 16:43:10	fendor	great, thank you!
2019-09-16 16:45:00	fendor	I think tests would be a great addition, however, I am not sure what can even be tested? Cradle detection? 
2019-09-16 16:45:17	mpickering	I want to test the cradles
2019-09-16 16:45:27	mpickering	for example, the cabal cradle, stack cradle etc
2019-09-16 16:46:13	mpickering	Yes tests will be good but if there's something which you are stuck on, it would be better if I did that rather than add tests
2019-09-16 16:51:08	fendor	mpickering, currently I am mainly stuck on the tests of hie. not all run through, and I think that I might have borked something when merging.
2019-09-16 16:51:44	mpickering	what happens when they don't run?
2019-09-16 16:51:54	mpickering	I think there was a patch to master which made cabal new-run work for the tests?
2019-09-16 16:52:00	fendor	some do not give the intended result, some time out
2019-09-16 16:53:58	fendor	but nothing catastrophic
2019-09-16 16:54:05	mpickering	ok
2019-09-16 16:54:13	fendor	19 out of 196 or something like that fail. imo, that is great
2019-09-16 16:56:05	mpickering	anything in particular about these tests?
2019-09-16 16:57:05	fendor	not yet, but I havent looked into all of them, yet, I looked mainly into completions which are missing type information for some reason
2019-09-16 16:57:49	mpickering	ah
2019-09-16 16:57:56	mpickering	interesting
2019-09-16 16:58:02	mpickering	perhaps a bad merge?
2019-09-16 16:58:12	mpickering	because Zubin did reimplement auto complete on master
2019-09-16 16:58:18	mpickering	but I might have backported it
2019-09-16 16:59:54	fendor	yeah, I am thinking the same, but I didnt investigate enough yet. The merge seems alright, but maybe I am missing some tiny detail
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2019-09-16 23:43:13	mpickering	fendor: I looked at some test infra today but kept running into annoying nix problems
2019-09-16 23:43:19	mpickering	so you were probably more productive than me
2019-09-16 23:43:51	fendor	not on hie, but did the thing requested by ndmitchell on hie-bios.
2019-09-16 23:44:17	mpickering	yes I saw, it looks good
2019-09-16 23:45:12	mpickering	did you deliberately use `\\`?
2019-09-16 23:45:14	mpickering	That looks wrong to me
2019-09-16 23:45:40	fendor	yeah, it probably is worng
2019-09-16 23:46:03	fendor	for some reason I confused list difference with union...
2019-09-16 23:46:29	mpickering	the miracle of code review
2019-09-16 23:46:39	mpickering	that would have been a confusing error to find
2019-09-16 23:46:42	fendor	and actually exhaustive testing
2019-09-16 23:46:50	fendor	what I should have done
2019-09-16 23:46:51	fendor	but didnt
2019-09-16 23:46:53	fendor	apparently
2019-09-16 23:47:23	mpickering	I fixed a bug in one of Neil's libraries a few months ago where instead of copying a file, it would interpret the file contents as a filepath and delete that
2019-09-16 23:48:06	fendor	what a horrible bug. how long did it take to find that?
2019-09-16 23:48:25	mpickering	I have even greater struggles currently though. I just got back home and have no food in the house. That's something tests can't help
2019-09-16 23:48:49	mpickering	Hmm, a few hours I think. I used fsnotify to watch the file in question
2019-09-16 23:49:15	mpickering	and then added traces in the program until I could narrow it down to a innocuous looking function
2019-09-16 23:49:25	mpickering	then looked at the impl.. and saw what was happening
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2019-09-16 23:50:38	fendor	indeed, but delivery services can help! 
2019-09-16 23:51:36	fendor	amazing, I can not imagine finding such bugs. 
2019-09-16 23:55:43	mpickering	Is this dependencies patch finished (in your opinion)?
2019-09-16 23:57:12	mpickering	do you have a hackage account? if you do I can give you upload rights for the package as well
2019-09-16 23:57:21	mpickering	going to get food brb
2019-09-17 00:00:16	fendor	in my opinion, it is, I think I have tested all yaml configs that they parse as epxected, except for maybe default
2019-09-17 00:00:29	fendor	I do not have a hackage account, yet, I think
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2019-09-17 00:16:55	pikajude	ok, i rebuilt hie-8.4.3 without using the all-hies cache, and i am getting the same error
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2019-09-17 00:17:08	pikajude	if anyone could give me tips on debugging this issue it would be greatly appreciated
2019-09-17 00:18:38	infinisil	pikajude: Does this happen only with 8.4.3?
2019-09-17 00:22:47	pikajude	not sure, i can check
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2019-09-17 00:25:55	pikajude	but i will have to download a bunch of stuff from the reflex-frp cache, so give me a few moments
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2019-09-17 00:37:49	infinisil	pikajude: I'd just try with a simple hello-world project for which you set TemplateHaskell in a file
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2019-09-17 00:41:17	pikajude	ok
2019-09-17 00:48:40	infinisil	My suspicion is that the nixpkgs used for 8.4.3 doesn't have some GHC builder changes needed for this to work
2019-09-17 00:53:25	infinisil	pikajude: Here's an overview of which nixpkgs versions get used for which ghc versions, annotated with the commit dates: https://paste.infinisil.com/jwSUIUQ5Kg
2019-09-17 00:54:33	infinisil	If ghc821 and ghc842 show the same problem, chances are it's indeed something in nixpkgs
2019-09-17 00:55:14	pikajude	ah ok
2019-09-17 00:55:18	pikajude	i was going to check with 8.6
2019-09-17 00:55:21	pikajude	the reflex shell doesn't have 8.2
2019-09-17 00:55:38	pikajude	it's just taking a really long time to build for some reason
2019-09-17 00:56:12	infinisil	Correction: If ghc821 and ghc842 show the same problem, while none of the other versions do, chances are it's indeed something in nixpkgs
2019-09-17 00:56:33	infinisil	(so testing all kinds of versions helps)
2019-09-17 00:56:36	pikajude	got it
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2019-09-17 00:59:12	pikajude	oh, and i was using a really old version of reflex-platform as well, the "master" branch isn't actually the one to use
2019-09-17 00:59:15	pikajude	that's embarrassing
2019-09-17 01:10:49	pikajude	happens exactly the same for ghc 8.6.5
2019-09-17 01:15:01	infinisil	That is a little weird, unless I misremember, last time I could use TH just fine with 8.6.5
2019-09-17 01:15:33	infinisil	So this was with a hello-world project?
2019-09-17 01:15:37	pikajude	oh, no
2019-09-17 01:15:38	pikajude	sorry
2019-09-17 01:15:42	pikajude	give me a second to try that
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2019-09-17 01:23:38	pikajude	no, it works ok in my other project that isn't using reflex
2019-09-17 01:28:26	pikajude	so it's something to do with the reflex-platform platform, meaning i'll probably have to figure out a package set of my own that doesn't use it
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2019-09-17 01:41:15	mpickering	I don't think h-i-e works with reflex projects right now?
2019-09-17 01:41:31	mpickering	are you running h-i-e in the right nix-shell?
2019-09-17 01:41:36	mpickering	if you're not then there's no hope
2019-09-17 01:42:15	pikajude	i'm using that one hie.sh trick i found on github
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2019-09-17 01:43:38	pikajude	https://gist.github.com/pikajude/821dc19482907c9d81b4c430847634b7
2019-09-17 01:43:43	pikajude	so it would be using the same shell that everything else is
2019-09-17 01:48:18	mpickering	ok
2019-09-17 01:48:41	mpickering	and the error is?
2019-09-17 01:49:12	pikajude	https://gist.github.com/pikajude/85668156e13887f69ff5b4961e6caa64
2019-09-17 01:49:31	mpickering	are you compiling with profiling or anything like that?
2019-09-17 01:49:48	pikajude	i don't think i have profiling enabled
2019-09-17 01:49:52	pikajude	you have to opt-in to that with cabal right?
2019-09-17 01:49:55	pikajude	cabal-install i mean
2019-09-17 01:50:11	mpickering	perhaps reflex turns it on though
2019-09-17 01:50:30	pikajude	yeah maybe, i'll have to go check the source code
2019-09-17 01:50:32	pikajude	who knows where they could have put that
2019-09-17 01:50:54	pikajude	https://github.com/reflex-frp/reflex-platform/blob/develop/default.nix#L4
2019-09-17 01:50:57	pikajude	looks like it's off by default
2019-09-17 01:51:46	mpickering	hmm this isn't really a substantiated claim
2019-09-17 01:52:08	pikajude	true
2019-09-17 01:52:29	mpickering	I think I have seen this happen before but not with hie
2019-09-17 01:52:59	pikajude	i'm going to see if i can create a shell.nix that doesn't use the reflex stuff
2019-09-17 01:53:08	pikajude	since my other project that doesn't use it can deal with TH just fine
2019-09-17 01:53:26	mpickering	my situation was I switched from using a ghc with DWARF symbols and ghc without DWARF symbols
2019-09-17 01:54:16	mpickering	so perhaps the problem is that reflex uses a patched version of GHC
2019-09-17 01:54:33	pikajude	such a thing could be possible
2019-09-17 01:54:34	mpickering	and the problem would go away if you used their patched version of GHC to compile hie
2019-09-17 01:54:39	mpickering	(speculating)
2019-09-17 01:54:58	pikajude	okay well i definitely don't have the chops for that
2019-09-17 01:55:10	infinisil	Is it this? https://github.com/reflex-frp/reflex-platform
2019-09-17 01:55:16	mpickering	maybe overnight you modify infinisil's all-hies to point to the reflex ghc and let it build?
2019-09-17 01:55:20	pikajude	yeah, that one
2019-09-17 01:55:52	mpickering	It looks like they package hie in reflex-platform already?
2019-09-17 01:55:59	pikajude	wait, really?
2019-09-17 01:56:03	pikajude	what
2019-09-17 01:56:46	mpickering	https://github.com/reflex-frp/reflex-platform/blob/develop/haskell-overlays/default.nix#L140
2019-09-17 01:56:49	mpickering	no idea what that does
2019-09-17 01:58:26	infinisil	Seems to be the case indeed
2019-09-17 01:58:35	pikajude	cool
2019-09-17 02:02:22	mpickering	it is probably some older version than master
2019-09-17 02:02:40	mpickering	so it might be useful to try pointing all-hies at their patched ghc
2019-09-17 02:02:51	pikajude	well first i'm going to try the version they packaged already
2019-09-17 02:02:55	pikajude	it just might work
2019-09-17 02:03:05	mpickering	how much would you bet on that
2019-09-17 02:03:24	pikajude	five dollars
2019-09-17 02:03:26	infinisil	I say chances are 62% for it to just work
2019-09-17 02:03:42	mpickering	I was going for more like 5%
2019-09-17 02:04:05	mpickering	I feel like most things I try don't work lol.. 
2019-09-17 02:04:13	infinisil	I think https://github.com/Infinisil/all-hies/pull/13 would be nice for this, since this easily makes hie available for all ghc versions
2019-09-17 02:08:29	pikajude	easily, assuming you can compile it
2019-09-17 02:10:41	mpickering	fendor: I will look once more over your PR in them morning
2019-09-17 02:10:42	mpickering	bedtime for me
2019-09-17 02:10:56	fendor	thank you, good night!
2019-09-17 02:11:20	mpickering	infinisil: Did you look at using haskell.nix for h-i-e
2019-09-17 02:11:31	mpickering	I think it has problems compiling hie-bios currently, or anythign which depends on ghc
2019-09-17 02:11:57	infinisil	mpickering: I made an issue for it but haven't looked into it https://github.com/Infinisil/all-hies/issues/19
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2019-09-17 02:31:27	pikajude	:o
2019-09-17 02:31:31	pikajude	it works if I use the reflex version of hie!
2019-09-17 02:31:34	pikajude	how exciting
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2019-09-17 02:56:13	pikajude	oh no it doesn't :D
2019-09-17 02:56:14	pikajude	mmap 4096 bytes at (nil): Cannot allocate memory
2019-09-17 02:56:44	pikajude	it can't even allocate 4096 bytes lol
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2019-09-21 21:37:33	SanchayanMaity	Hi...I would like to work on issue #912. Have some doubts. Do I understand correctly, the command line options should be parsed in MainHie.hs & HieWrapper.hs? What I am trying to figure out is, how to communicate this to initializeHoogleDb function?
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2019-09-23 11:34:24	meowray	how are Position.characte offsets counted? UTF-8 bytes, UTF-16 code units or UTF-32 codepoints ?
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2019-09-23 13:48:34	mpickering	meowray: I think it's UTF-8, the LSP specification decides about this
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2019-09-25 19:19:04	mpickering	Any more insight into this issue?
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2019-09-26 14:04:27	mpickering	fendor: I think the multi-cradle specification will work straight away with h-i-e
2019-09-26 14:04:54	fendor	mpickering, not entirely, due to some changes I need to discuss anyway
2019-09-26 14:05:29	mpickering	now or later?
2019-09-26 14:05:36	fendor	Have you seen https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/10?
2019-09-26 14:05:41	fendor	now, if you have time
2019-09-26 14:05:55	fendor	I finally have time again
2019-09-26 14:06:42	mpickering	One sec. I am currently trying to decide whether to work from home or 🚴‍♂️ to work
2019-09-26 14:06:43	fendor	the issue I found is the following: caching of cradle works only after a module has been typechecked.
2019-09-26 14:08:41	fendor	however, mutiple actions are sent to the ghc thread and run with `runWithContext` which tries to see if the context file is covered by the cradle and if not, reloads the cradle.
2019-09-26 14:08:59	mpickering	why does it only work after the module has been typechecked
2019-09-26 14:09:57	fendor	because the paths-cache that the cradle is responsible for, takes all files from the ModSummaries, contrary to the documentation
2019-09-26 14:10:01	mpickering	ah, because in the cache it uses the include dirs to work out what the cradle refers to
2019-09-26 14:10:10	mpickering	err :) What documentation
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2019-09-26 14:11:02	fendor	this documentation: https://gist.github.com/fendor/aac121ea5b0ed65a750c44990524647a
2019-09-26 14:11:16	fendor	the description of currentCradle 
2019-09-26 14:11:32	mpickering	ok
2019-09-26 14:11:52	fendor	however, in setCurentCradle, it sets all files of the cradle to these paths.
2019-09-26 14:12:07	fendor	which is empty until it has been typechecked, in my opinion
2019-09-26 14:12:37	mpickering	well technically not
2019-09-26 14:12:44	mpickering	It is populated after you call `depanal`
2019-09-26 14:13:06	fendor	depanal is called in loadFile, iirc
2019-09-26 14:13:14	mpickering	yes it is
2019-09-26 14:13:23	mpickering	but you can depanal on it's own
2019-09-26 14:13:25	mpickering	and then call load'
2019-09-26 14:14:47	fendor	i just looked at hie-bios, apparently depanal is called in `initializeFlagsWithCradleWithMessage`
2019-09-26 14:15:10	fendor	then it is just weird, but as shown in the logs, the mgModSummaries is still empty until a file is typechecked or something similar happens
2019-09-26 14:16:08	mpickering	The first two "loads"  don't actually seem to do anything?
2019-09-26 14:16:18	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/vtBZrFM1/
2019-09-26 14:17:22	mpickering	I would look at the call stack from `loadCradle`
2019-09-26 14:17:29	mpickering	To do that, turn `profiling: True` on in the cabal file
2019-09-26 14:17:39	mpickering	and then use some of these functions in `loadCradle` 
2019-09-26 14:17:40	mpickering	http://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.12.0.0/docs/GHC-Stack.html
2019-09-26 14:17:58	mpickering	http://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.12.0.0/docs/GHC-Stack.html#v:currentCallStack
2019-09-26 14:20:27	mpickering	It's not clear to me what the first two traces are about
2019-09-26 14:20:49	mpickering	ok I'm going into work, feel free to leave questions for me to answer from the other side
2019-09-26 14:25:12	fendor	thank you, will do!
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2019-09-26 15:03:32	mpickering	argh I picked the worst time, got caught in a huge shower
2019-09-26 15:09:31	fendor	that is unfortunate! it is sunny here!
2019-09-26 15:24:02	jneira_	mpickering: thanks for add me to hie-bios :-)
2019-09-26 15:24:22	mpickering	The more people I know who use windows the better
2019-09-26 15:27:04	jneira_	yeah, we are a endangered  species :-P
2019-09-26 15:30:22	mpickering	jneira_: have you got any good ideas about writing tests for hie-bios?
2019-09-26 15:30:34	jneira_	but there are quite a few users, the show up in the issue tracker; i hope we can grow in that direction
2019-09-26 15:30:39	jneira_	*they
2019-09-26 15:30:58	mpickering	I haven't managed to think of a good way to specify all the different environments to test all the different cradles
2019-09-26 15:32:22	fendor	well, at least tests for the different hie.yaml parsers would be helpful
2019-09-26 15:33:41	jneira_	mmm they should be ran inside build tool projects dirs, right? or fake them
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2019-09-26 15:35:20	mpickering	yeah, I can create lots of fake projects, that's not an issue
2019-09-26 15:35:41	mpickering	but the problem is that in one dir you want cabal to be available, in another you want stack, in another obelisk, etc
2019-09-26 15:35:57	mpickering	I suppose if I at least just test the cabal and stack cradles that covers 95% of use cases
2019-09-26 15:41:04	jneira_	mmm, so creating a simple cabal and stack project inside a test/data subdir would work for basic testing?
2019-09-26 15:41:18	jneira_	i have them to test my patches manually
2019-09-26 15:42:12	mpickering	And then do you do integration testing by invoking the `hie-bios` executable or do you write unit tests?
2019-09-26 15:42:28	mpickering	I didn't get the impression that there are any good ways to write integration tests for haskell projects?
2019-09-26 15:44:27	jneira_	mmm both if possible, but basic functional tests running `hie-bios` could be set up relativily quickly
2019-09-26 15:44:55	mpickering	How do you arrange that?
2019-09-26 15:45:39	mpickering	I mean making sure `hie-bios` can be executed from the test-suite
2019-09-26 15:47:35	jneira_	well people sometimes moves the main logic (maybe no *all* logic) to the lib and run it from the test suite 
2019-09-26 15:48:14	jneira_	f.e. https://github.com/dhall-lang/dhall-haskell/blob/master/dhall/src/Dhall/Main.hs
2019-09-26 15:48:15	mpickering	ok
2019-09-26 15:48:21	mpickering	is this what `build-tool-depends` is for?
2019-09-26 15:48:55	mpickering	GHC has it's own completely separate way of testing so I'm out of touch with best practices for normal libraries
2019-09-26 15:51:19	jneira_	mmm `build-tool-depends` could work too, i suppose, even testing in another separate project 
2019-09-26 15:57:09	michaelpj	if you were willing to use nix for the tests then it would be relatively easy to set them up so they have the right build tools, but I don't think that's easy to do from *within* a cabal testsuite
2019-09-26 15:58:20	mpickering	michaelpj: I already tried this and it wasn't as trivial as I hoped
2019-09-26 15:58:31	mpickering	You still need some external framework to execute and report on the tests
2019-09-26 15:59:10	michaelpj	can't you just run a bare executable e.g. `cabal new-test` and assert that it returns true? does require a short bash script
2019-09-26 15:59:34	michaelpj	I guess you probably can't also use the nixpkgs infra for setting up package dependencies since that will probably pull in a build tool
2019-09-26 15:59:46	mpickering	and write one test stanza for each test?
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2019-09-26 16:00:03	mpickering	in the end I got something which worked but the number of problems made me think it wasn't a good idea
2019-09-26 16:00:24	michaelpj	oh I see - this would just be on the granularity of "derivation failed to build" and then you could look at the logs and presumably the output of `cabal new-test` would be there and tell you what happened
2019-09-26 16:01:34	michaelpj	in fact, I have an idea
2019-09-26 16:01:47	michaelpj	oh no wait it requires hacking the nixpkgs infra
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2019-09-26 16:02:20	michaelpj	(IOHK has an existing gross hack where they run the tests in a separate derivation that just uses the built executable, so then you don't have the build-time dependencies around and you can stuff other system deps in there)
2019-09-26 16:02:47	michaelpj	maybe if you use haskell.nix, but I don't think that's ready enough for hie yet
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2019-09-26 18:25:24	mpickering	dxld: Are you interested in implementing https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/issues/17250 ?
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2019-09-26 18:40:49	dxld	mpickering: if you tell me what the format has to look like, maybe
2019-09-26 18:56:34	mpickering	that's a good question isn't it
2019-09-26 19:07:04	dxld	:)
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2019-09-27 21:35:22	lukelau	alanz: I see you’re a mantainer of https://hackage.haskell.org/package/Strafunski-StrategyLib, can that get a revision for base-4.14?
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2019-09-28 16:12:04	fendor	mpickering, may I push to https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/63 to fix the missing "tests/config/stack.yaml", which as not been added because of .gitignore, and enabling tests on ci, or should I open a pr to your pr?
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2019-09-29 17:17:58	fendor	mpickering, I think I found the problem of https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/10, initSession returns an empty list of targets.
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2019-09-30 02:14:33	mpickering	fenedor: I am back tomorrow
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2019-09-30 16:04:39	jneira	hi! i am trying to fix the functional test for windows
2019-09-30 16:05:17	jneira	in fact fix the diagnostics and code actions cause they are legitimate bugs in hie
2019-09-30 16:05:38	jneira	and i discovered that they are based on the human readable ghc message errors
2019-09-30 16:05:53	jneira	and they are different in linux and windows
2019-09-30 16:06:42	jneira	there is a way to make ghc output errors and warnings in a machine readable format (jon, sexprs, binary, whatever)
2019-09-30 16:06:44	jneira	?
2019-09-30 16:06:50	jneira	*json
2019-09-30 16:07:18	jneira	(or at least a ghc proposal to get them)
2019-09-30 16:09:24	jneira	mpickering: I wonder if  it doesn't exist if hie-bios could make that translation, converting ghc messages in json
2019-09-30 16:09:53	jneira	and removing the hardcoded parsing from hie itself
2019-09-30 16:10:14	mpickering	No that isn't suitable for hie-bios
2019-09-30 16:10:24	mpickering	there is already a flag to get GHC to output error messages as JSON
2019-09-30 16:10:41	mpickering	but parsing error messages is just brittle anyway, I wouldn't think using JSON would improve things much
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2019-09-30 16:13:17	jneira	mmm i was thinking in something like { "type": SymbolNotInScope, "symbol":  "hPutStrLn", "suggestions": ["putStrLn",..], ...}
2019-09-30 16:14:28	jneira	something alike would improve their handling, no?
2019-09-30 16:14:46	mpickering	There's no need to do that as JSON though, we already use the GHC API to get the messages
2019-09-30 16:14:51	mpickering	one sec
2019-09-30 16:17:22	mpickering	https://github.com/bgamari/ghc-proposals/blob/rich-errors-proposal/proposals/0000-rich-errors-proposal.rst
2019-09-30 16:17:34	mpickering	that's the current trajectory, if you want to post on the mailing list asking what's going on with that..
2019-09-30 16:19:23	jneira	oh, great, thanks for the info
2019-09-30 16:24:51	fendor	mpickering, it seems that stack cradle does not correctly populate the module graph.
2019-09-30 16:25:00	mpickering	hmm? How is that possible?
2019-09-30 16:25:08	fendor	i dont know.
2019-09-30 16:25:23	mpickering	jneira: I believe that if you post about it to ghc-devs then it might make something happen
2019-09-30 16:25:24	fendor	alright, apparently, this time it worked...
2019-09-30 16:25:44	fendor	wrong cradle
2019-09-30 16:25:48	jneira	oh i am checking the actual json messages with `-ddump-json` and it has valuable info as src span and severity, but the actual message is human readable
2019-09-30 16:26:12	mpickering	yeah it isn't an improvement at all
2019-09-30 16:26:17	mpickering	which is what I was saying
2019-09-30 16:26:50	jneira	ok, afaiu the proposal would improve that json output with structured errors
2019-09-30 16:27:09	mpickering	If you also mention that h-i-e parses error messages then it will disgust people so much to make even more things happen
2019-09-30 16:27:24	mpickering	It was my understanding about that proposal that Richard was going to pay well-typed to implement it
2019-09-30 16:27:31	mpickering	and that alp was lined up to do it
2019-09-30 16:27:36	mpickering	so I'm not sure why it stalled
2019-09-30 16:27:44	jneira	he, good point :-)
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2019-09-30 16:43:02	fendor	I have a reproducible example here: https://github.com/fendor/hie-bios/tree/modgraph-test executing `cabal v2-run exe:hie-bios -- modGraph` with a cabal cradle yields a different result compared to a stack cradle. 
2019-09-30 16:43:16	fendor	Code that is executed: https://github.com/fendor/hie-bios/blob/modgraph-test/src/HIE/Bios/Ghc/Check.hs#L39
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2019-09-30 16:46:49	mpickering	fendor: Isn't this because stack and cabal give back different arguments?
2019-09-30 16:46:49	fendor	example output https://gist.github.com/fendor/17f39915f898fc3b2c769f662ae59340
2019-09-30 16:47:06	fendor	mpickering, probably. But then the behaviour is just very different
2019-09-30 16:47:15	fendor	which needs to be fixed, imo?
2019-09-30 16:47:30	mpickering	Maybe it requires fixing stack
2019-09-30 16:47:34	mpickering	what arguments does stack give back?
2019-09-30 16:47:55	mpickering	I think there's a command line flag to get that
2019-09-30 16:48:03	fendor	yeah, wait a second
2019-09-30 16:49:21	fendor	https://gist.github.com/fendor/498cdc5886c82165fb66cb2d66f50387
2019-09-30 16:49:47	mpickering	that looks totally wrong
2019-09-30 16:50:01	mpickering	what version of stack are you using?
2019-09-30 16:50:18	fendor	1.93
2019-09-30 16:50:20	fendor	1.9.3
2019-09-30 16:50:44	mpickering	what happens if you use a 2.x version?
2019-09-30 16:50:56	fendor	wait a second
2019-09-30 16:52:06	fendor	need to update my channels. 
2019-09-30 16:53:09	mpickering	you can use `nix run -f <url> stack`
2019-09-30 16:53:16	mpickering	to just point to a more up to date tarball
2019-09-30 16:53:41	fendor	i just use the version from unstable
2019-09-30 16:54:06	mpickering	sure
2019-09-30 16:55:46	fendor	https://gist.github.com/fendor/498cdc5886c82165fb66cb2d66f50387
2019-09-30 16:55:59	fendor	a bit different
2019-09-30 16:56:49	fendor	but probably mainly due to nix
2019-09-30 16:58:18	mpickering	what does `stack repl --silent --no-load` do?
2019-09-30 16:58:41	mpickering	does stack even work if there's no stack.yaml file?
2019-09-30 16:59:09	fendor	*face palm*
2019-09-30 16:59:17	fendor	i am an idiot
2019-09-30 17:00:18	mpickering	:o
2019-09-30 17:00:35	fendor	ill try again
2019-09-30 17:00:44	fendor	i hoped that would be the issue :/
2019-09-30 17:05:23	fendor	ok, output looks now more correct! 
2019-09-30 17:06:57	fendor	but the issue can still be reproduced! 
2019-09-30 17:08:22	fendor	compiler flags for a small project: https://gist.github.com/fendor/498cdc5886c82165fb66cb2d66f50387
2019-09-30 17:09:28	fendor	but the module graph remains empty after initialisation
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2019-09-30 17:15:58	fendor	empty module graph: https://gist.github.com/fendor/31a7a0a33adc9c068556bd0280621d83
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2019-09-30 17:18:05	mpickering	fendor: If you pass a path as well then it will work?
2019-09-30 17:19:04	fendor	a path to what?
2019-09-30 17:19:13	fendor	updated the gist to also include the compiler flags
2019-09-30 17:24:17	jneira	Almost all failed test cases are fixed for me with https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1399 :-D
2019-09-30 17:24:36	jneira	...in Windows
2019-09-30 17:25:10	jneira	Only removing the code assumptions over ghc error messages :-/
2019-09-30 17:26:00	fendor	oh my, so much code duplication in hie...
2019-09-30 17:26:07	mpickering	fendor: Any file
2019-09-30 17:26:19	mpickering	in the project
2019-09-30 17:26:51	fendor	you mean, additionally to the compiler flags, or what? Initialize is invoked with a file in the project
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2019-09-30 17:30:12	fendor	so, would it fix it, if we add the fp to the result of "getOptions"?
2019-09-30 17:31:20	mpickering	link me to the specific code?
2019-09-30 17:32:53	mpickering	oh I see
2019-09-30 17:33:08	fendor	sorry, I am confused
2019-09-30 17:33:15	mpickering	but did you change the path for your other project?
2019-09-30 17:33:21	mpickering	from `src/HIE/Bios.hs`
2019-09-30 17:34:08	fendor	yes
2019-09-30 17:34:14	fendor	I pass in a filepath
2019-09-30 17:34:19	fendor	but didnt commit that yet
2019-09-30 17:34:20	fendor	wait 
2019-09-30 17:34:54	fendor	committed it
2019-09-30 17:35:43	mpickering	to?
2019-09-30 17:35:45	fendor	updated code: https://github.com/fendor/hie-bios/blob/modgraph-test/src/HIE/Bios/Ghc/Check.hs#L41
2019-09-30 17:36:24	fendor	this produced the output in https://gist.github.com/fendor/31a7a0a33adc9c068556bd0280621d83
2019-09-30 17:36:46	fendor	which shows that the module graph (ModSummaries) is empty for stack cradle 
2019-09-30 17:36:53	fendor	after initialize
2019-09-30 17:37:13	mpickering	I can't debug this now sorry
2019-09-30 17:37:25	mpickering	but it seems to me the output isn't wrong
2019-09-30 17:37:38	mpickering	if the stack cradle isn't returning any targets then it's not surprising the behaviour
2019-09-30 17:37:51	fendor	yeah, but I think it should return targets
2019-09-30 17:38:45	mpickering	look at what `stack repl -v3` shows
2019-09-30 17:39:43	fendor	if I modify stackAction to append the fp to the options, then the module graph gets created
2019-09-30 17:43:57	mpickering	ok but if `stack repl` doesn't return the targets then `stack repl` is broken?
2019-09-30 17:44:36	fendor	maybe
2019-09-30 17:48:09	fendor	https://gist.github.com/fendor/0b7ee692cb2054cb9bb1c3f3695dbd6c
2019-09-30 17:48:22	fendor	output of  stack repl --no-load --with-ghc ../haskell/hie-bios/wrappers/cabal Bar.hs
2019-09-30 17:50:00	mpickering	what about if you remove `--no-load`?
2019-09-30 17:50:07	mpickering	There is a reason I removed that though...
2019-09-30 17:52:32	mpickering	perhaps just loading the filepath in HIE is fine..
2019-09-30 17:52:38	mpickering	not sure it's worth worry about this too much
2019-09-30 17:52:42	fendor	updated: https://gist.github.com/fendor/0b7ee692cb2054cb9bb1c3f3695dbd6c
2019-09-30 17:53:03	fendor	mpickering, in hie, that leads to the problem that a project is initialized 3 times in the beginning
2019-09-30 17:53:28	fendor	which all take a long time
2019-09-30 17:58:32	mpickering	ok so if we also use the `FilePath` as one of the initial targets
2019-09-30 17:58:35	mpickering	that will sort it out?
2019-09-30 17:58:43	fendor	it did in my example project
2019-09-30 17:59:24	mpickering	can you do this in `haskell-ide-engine` and not `hie-bios` though? or at least the part of `hie-bios` which `ghcide` doesn't use
2019-09-30 17:59:35	fendor	sure
2019-09-30 17:59:40	jneira	I think i'll try to update the appveyor script to run windows tests... it seems azure integration may take time to arrive 
2019-09-30 18:01:58	fendor	jneira, that would probably be helpful!
2019-09-30 18:02:20	fendor	jose_zap, can we do a release of hie this month?
2019-09-30 18:02:50	jose_zap	yeah, sorry I haven't done it yet. I've been travelling for work
2019-09-30 18:03:11	fendor	jose_zap, sorry, I dont mean to push you :/
2019-09-30 18:03:20	jose_zap	:)
2019-09-30 18:04:01	fendor	if you're busy, it can wait, it is not that important
2019-09-30 18:04:24	jose_zap	I think I'll have time this thursday or friday
2019-09-30 18:05:18	fendor	that would be great, thank you :)
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2019-09-30 18:59:04	fendor	mpickering, I think https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/8 is now ready for a merge. Open issues: tests, missing home modules warning and occasional bugs
2019-09-30 18:59:39	mpickering	can you explain those issues?
2019-09-30 19:00:08	fendor	tests fail for various reasons, sometimes they are just borked or some diagnostics are not emitted yet
2019-09-30 19:00:31	fendor	missing home modules is this warning about missing home modules which I could not get rid of yet
2019-09-30 19:00:42	mpickering	ok, very strange
2019-09-30 19:00:55	mpickering	tbh I did also try and couldn't but I didn't try very hard
2019-09-30 19:00:57	fendor	occasional bugs, some endless loop that tries to recompile a module very often
2019-09-30 19:01:14	fendor	mpickering, I will try harder for the missing home modules bug, but I focused on bigger issues first
2019-09-30 19:01:30	mpickering	ok, if you are still motivated then perhaps you can try it with my multi-cradle hie-bios patch?
2019-09-30 19:01:41	fendor	when the project is on startup not compilable, the whole if hie dies, which should not happen
2019-09-30 19:01:55	mpickering	ah yes
2019-09-30 19:02:20	fendor	somehow we need to report those diagnostics and retry to initialise the module
2019-09-30 19:02:29	fendor	not sure if that is even possible in the current architecture
2019-09-30 19:02:55	fendor	there does not seem to be a way to provide diagnostics from the ghc thread
2019-09-30 19:03:36	fendor	except when the lsp thread supplies a callback 
2019-09-30 19:05:05	mpickering	you can throw an exception an catch it perhaps?
2019-09-30 19:05:12	mpickering	that's what used to happen afaik
2019-09-30 19:05:27	mpickering	or perhaps just pass a callback to report the message
2019-09-30 19:05:33	mpickering	that sounds equally as easy
2019-09-30 19:05:48	fendor	in the action for runActionWithContext?
2019-09-30 19:07:16	mpickering	`setTypecheckedModule` somehow reports back to LSP land?
2019-09-30 19:07:25	mpickering	and I suppose that must happen in the ghc thread
2019-09-30 19:07:26	fendor	yeah. callback
2019-09-30 19:08:01	mpickering	I think it's fine to pass a call back which adds something to the LSP queue?
2019-09-30 19:08:37	fendor	maybe. Another approach: change sig of runActionWithContext to return diagnostics from project initialization?
2019-09-30 19:09:22	mpickering	Don't think that will work
2019-09-30 19:09:32	mpickering	as `runActionWithContext` is probably called in many places
2019-09-30 19:10:05	fendor	just 4
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2019-09-30 19:13:21	fendor	however, a callback sounds doable too
2019-09-30 19:28:32	fendor	do we still differentiate between ParsedModule and TypecheckedModules? E.g. can one exist without the other?
2019-09-30 19:28:43	fendor	or what sets the parsed module...
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2019-09-30 19:32:15	mpickering	you can get ParsedModule without TypecheckedModule, for example, if typechecking fails
2019-09-30 19:32:37	mpickering	there was a question whether it was worthwhile having ParsedModule
2019-09-30 19:32:53	mpickering	and I didn't bother to implement it, to see if it was necessary
2019-09-30 19:33:37	fendor	so, currently, there is no parse module cache, or something like that?
2019-09-30 19:33:53	mpickering	It's cached in the same way as TypecheckedModule
2019-09-30 19:34:02	mpickering	I think?
2019-09-30 19:34:05	mpickering	at least there was a field there for it
2019-09-30 19:34:20	fendor	there was, but currently, this will not be populated, right?
2019-09-30 19:35:11	fendor	because, one test wants to access the parsemodule if the module is not typecheckable
2019-09-30 19:35:19	fendor	we can disable that test or try to fix it
2019-09-30 19:35:32	mpickering	well it's not hard to fix
2019-09-30 19:35:43	mpickering	but it means h-i-e uses more memory so... whether it's worth it is up for debate
2019-09-30 19:36:21	fendor	ok, lets meet in the middle, disable the test and open an issue for it?
2019-09-30 19:36:34	mpickering	yeah
2019-09-30 19:36:44	fendor	ok, 7 failing tests
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2019-10-01 12:36:35	jneira_	The functional test suite is all green in Windows :-D
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2019-10-01 14:02:17	mpickering	nice job jneira_ 
2019-10-01 14:02:39	mpickering	Have you tested out my branch on windows? I saw you did some fixes to hie-bios so perhaps you would like to try it
2019-10-01 14:13:21	jneira_	yeah, my next step would be running the test suite against the hie-bios branch and the new cabal-helper one by bubba 
2019-10-01 14:14:10	jneira_	or is possible that hie-bios will land sooner?
2019-10-01 14:14:49	mpickering	I'm not sure that the cabal-helper branch works, fendor reported some difficulty getting it working with my branch
2019-10-01 14:18:39	jneira_	ok, it seems circle ci is failing for hte hie-bios branch due to stack missing extra-deps
2019-10-01 14:19:06	fendor	i think hie-bios will be sooner ready for merge
2019-10-01 14:19:33	jneira_	the hie-bios branch passes the test suites locally in *nix?
2019-10-01 14:19:39	fendor	jneira_, take a look at the pr for hie-bios branch, there build issues are fixed
2019-10-01 14:19:55	fendor	jneira_, no, not right now. like 6 test-cases fail
2019-10-01 14:20:24	jneira_	oh, i ws looking https://circleci.com/gh/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/9231
2019-10-01 14:20:29	jneira_	*was
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2019-10-01 14:21:19	fendor_	jneira_, https://app.circleci.com/jobs/github/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/471/tests
2019-10-01 14:21:29	fendor	these are current test-failures minus 2 
2019-10-01 14:22:30	fendor	minus two, because the first test can not succeed on hie-bios, due to the fact that project initialisation does nto emit diagnostics and I fixed a test just now
2019-10-01 14:24:15	jneira_	ok, i'll test locally in windows your branch, taking your circleci builds in account 
2019-10-01 14:25:39	fendor	my branch or hie-bios? 
2019-10-01 14:27:41	jneira_	your branch https://github.com/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/tree/merge-hie-bios
2019-10-01 14:28:06	fendor	great! I think there are still 2 full blown bugs in the codebase
2019-10-01 14:29:33	jneira_	mmm you are using the las released version of hie-bios, without the last patches?
2019-10-01 14:29:57	fendor	currently, yes
2019-10-01 14:30:52	jneira_	ok, i'll point it to hie-bios master if needed
2019-10-01 14:31:54	fendor	thanks, we will probably have to add it as a submodule anyways soon
2019-10-01 14:33:35	mpickering	I will do a release soon.. but I want the multi-cradle stuff to be in the next release
2019-10-01 14:33:39	mpickering	which is blocked on ghcide
2019-10-01 14:34:11	mpickering	jneira_: Your opinion will be very valuable as you can compare my branch with the existing functionality 
2019-10-01 14:34:17	mpickering	thank you for taking the time to help out
2019-10-01 14:34:27	fendor	why though? They dont have to use the latest hie-bios right from the start?
2019-10-01 14:34:51	mpickering	I wish these guys reporting "performance issues" would actually provide a reproducer so it would be possible to debug
2019-10-01 14:35:02	mpickering	Because I am not sure the API is correct
2019-10-01 14:35:45	fendor	hm, multi cradle is not merged yet, right?
2019-10-01 14:36:12	fendor	that is desperately needed... 
2019-10-01 14:37:42	mpickering	yeah it's not merged
2019-10-01 14:37:50	mpickering	but it should work without any modifications to the branch
2019-10-01 14:38:02	fendor	that'd be great
2019-10-01 14:38:10	fendor	probably will take a look at it in the next days
2019-10-01 14:38:56	fendor	also, is it correct, that on every cradle reload, cached files are removed? 
2019-10-01 14:39:29	mpickering	Are you referring to removing the cached interface files?
2019-10-01 14:40:08	fendor	yes, i think so
2019-10-01 14:42:37	mpickering	I wasn't confident in my implementation
2019-10-01 14:42:46	mpickering	so for safety, I just removed them
2019-10-01 14:43:00	mpickering	but it should be fine because the interface files are put into a directory which depends on the GHC options recieved
2019-10-01 14:43:12	mpickering	removing that would certainly help start-up times
2019-10-01 14:43:28	fendor	yeah, especially for hie, the startup times are horrible
2019-10-01 14:46:53	mpickering	How long in s?
2019-10-01 14:47:09	mpickering	It should take the same time as `cabal v2-repl lib:haskell-ide-engine`
2019-10-01 14:47:54	fendor	i measure it
2019-10-01 14:48:12	mpickering	Setting `-j` might help things quite a bit
2019-10-01 14:48:27	mpickering	I don't think we set that at all
2019-10-01 14:48:46	fendor	would it suffice to add to the options "-j" ?
2019-10-01 14:49:07	fendor	so, about 2 minutes
2019-10-01 14:49:18	fendor	no, about 1 minute
2019-10-01 14:49:25	mpickering	what are you loading? 
2019-10-01 14:49:27	fendor	i am unable to read the clock
2019-10-01 14:49:31	fendor	lib:haskell-ide-engine
2019-10-01 14:49:37	mpickering	how long does `cabal v2-repl lib:haskell-ide-engine` take
2019-10-01 14:49:54	fendor	same amount of time
2019-10-01 14:50:43	mpickering	ok, if you delete the line which removes the cache dir then it should be a lot faster the second time
2019-10-01 14:51:18	fendor	yeah. I can give it a try
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2019-10-01 15:08:37	fendor	funny error I see here, hare rename removes language extensions. Is it possible that these have been stripped in some stage of compilation? E.g. that the typechecked module's parsed source does not contain them?
2019-10-01 15:10:23	mpickering	Language extensions are just comments
2019-10-01 15:10:32	mpickering	so the issue is that comments are getting stripped?
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2019-10-01 15:10:41	fendor	yeah
2019-10-01 15:11:27	fendor	yeah, exactly, comments are removed as well
2019-10-01 15:13:31	mpickering	do you probably need to pass the option to GHC which keeps comments
2019-10-01 15:13:40	mpickering	Opt_KeepRawTokenStream perhaps
2019-10-01 15:14:27	fendor	oh my... this should be added to setTypecheckedModule, I suppose
2019-10-01 15:14:36	fendor	thanks!
2019-10-01 15:28:41	fendor	mpickering, what is you opinion on https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/62 ? I feel like that it is unnecessary to change the api and I dislike that there is a race between finding "hie.yaml", and loading it, since it could be deleted in that time and silently load the implicit cradle
2019-10-01 15:29:34	mpickering	I haven't followed it
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2019-10-01 16:06:49	fendor	multi cradle works
2019-10-01 16:07:01	fendor	but order of entries seems to be important
2019-10-01 16:07:16	mpickering	yes indeed
2019-10-01 16:07:21	mpickering	Is that bad?
2019-10-01 16:07:32	mpickering	It tries each path in turn to see the first once which matches
2019-10-01 16:07:44	mpickering	do you think it should look for the most specific?
2019-10-01 16:07:52	fendor	I think so, yeah
2019-10-01 16:07:57	fendor	but for now, that is good enough
2019-10-01 16:09:05	fendor	but it is great to finally be able to debug tests and the lib at the same time with diagnostics
2019-10-01 16:09:44	mpickering	yeah the massive problem here is that if components depend on each other then they won't restart automatically
2019-10-01 16:10:00	mpickering	and I think `ghcide` will do this far better because we are limited by the fact the GHC API can't do it
2019-10-01 16:10:39	mpickering	so at some stage I would like to look into replacing `hie-plugin-api` with `ghcide`s backend stuff
2019-10-01 16:10:44	mpickering	and hooking the existing plugins in
2019-10-01 16:11:35	fendor	i think first, we should try to merge hie-bios into haskell-ide-engine
2019-10-01 16:11:42	mpickering	yes I agree
2019-10-01 16:13:35	fendor	tests are almost running, so, maybe we can be ready to merge by the end of the wee
2019-10-01 16:14:19	mpickering	I would like jneira_'s opinion as well
2019-10-01 16:14:41	fendor	of course, me too
2019-10-01 16:21:27	fendor	in hie-bios, where are dynflags actually modified? only in initialize and initSession?
2019-10-01 16:21:42	mpickering	I hope so
2019-10-01 16:22:57	fendor	and captureDiagnostics in hie...
2019-10-01 16:23:02	fendor	I think?
2019-10-01 16:28:12	fendor	why is there gopt_set and setGeneralFlag'? what is the difference?
2019-10-01 16:29:02	fendor	ah, the latter propagates implied flags? 
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2019-10-01 16:35:13	fendor	Opt_KeepRawTokenStream solved the problem, thanks! one more test that succeeds
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2019-10-01 16:58:53	fendor	the .ghc-environment files are failing some of the tests...
2019-10-01 16:59:57	fendor	which is horribly annoying
2019-10-01 17:01:57	michaelpj	echo "write-ghc-environment-files: never" >> cabal.project
2019-10-01 17:02:45	fendor	michaelpj, do you think that is good for the whole project? 
2019-10-01 17:02:49	fendor	or acceptable?
2019-10-01 17:03:33	michaelpj	fendor: The default is off in newer versions of cabal, so you're just changing the behaviour to match the future default :)
2019-10-01 17:03:49	fendor	michaelpj, oh, great, then I will immediately do that!
2019-10-01 17:04:06	michaelpj	endless thanks to matthew for that one
2019-10-01 17:04:47	fendor	wasnt hvr very opposed to the idea to disable that flag by default?
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2019-10-01 17:09:47	fendor	mpickering, did you by any chance remove the casesplit command?
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2019-10-01 17:10:23	fendor	no, sorry, you didnt
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2019-10-01 17:12:31	fendor	oh well, yes you did!
2019-10-01 17:13:55	fendor	that explains why casesplit test fails
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2019-10-01 17:44:02	mpickering	yes I did because ghc-mod implemented it
2019-10-01 17:44:28	mpickering	it's quite a trivial thing to implement directly in h-i-e though as you just have to lookup something in the TypeMap and then generate the right case
2019-10-01 17:46:57	mpickering	fendor ^
2019-10-01 17:47:25	fendor	mpickering, is it alright to comment the test and adding an issue for it?
2019-10-01 17:47:44	mpickering	yes, sure, does case split currently work in h-i-e?
2019-10-01 17:47:52	mpickering	I would imagine that not really is the answer
2019-10-01 17:48:14	fendor	not reliably iirc
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2019-10-01 19:44:22	fendor_	mpickering, only liquid test cases fail now and ghc 8.2.2
2019-10-01 19:44:40	mpickering	nice. I think don't worry about 8.2.2, it's very old
2019-10-01 19:45:03	fendor_	haha, I bet some people will disagree
2019-10-01 19:45:27	fendor_	afterwards, we have to remove some wards. And we still need to integrate c-h-h
2019-10-01 19:46:32	fendor_	also, I removed like 4 test cases which are either not trivial to fix or need to be discussed whether we want to remove them. But I will open an issue for each one of them
2019-10-01 19:51:41	fendor_	I continue to believe that not a single soul is using the liquidhaskell plugin. However, it causes sooo many problems 
2019-10-01 19:56:35	mpickering	apparently wz1000 witnessed Niki Vazou using it
2019-10-01 20:03:53	fendor_	i cant even run liquid...
2019-10-01 20:04:19	fendor_	which makes debugging a rather complicated matter
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2019-10-01 21:00:51	fendor	mpickering, there are still hiccups, but I think https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/8 is ready for merge. Then we can continue to further iron out rough edges
2019-10-01 21:01:14	mpickering	sure, go for it if you're happy
2019-10-01 21:01:27	fendor	not happy, but so others can easier test it out
2019-10-01 21:01:44	fendor	how to merge it, just merge commit?
2019-10-01 21:01:47	mpickering	yeah
2019-10-01 21:02:07	mpickering	is there anything you're blocked on me doing or looking into?
2019-10-01 21:02:29	fendor	no
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2019-10-02 16:47:23	fendor	jneira, regarding your question on github: cabal-helper is not needed. However, if not hie.yaml is given, the cradle needs to be guessed somehow. Cabal-helper has a more sophisticated approach for that
2019-10-02 16:48:16	fendor	also, then the default behaviour of hie with hie-bios resembles more the old behaviour.
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2019-10-02 22:57:59	mpickering	fenedor: Thanks for your PRs
2019-10-02 22:58:15	fenedor	thanks for your fast feedback!
2019-10-02 23:03:56	mpickering	fenedor: What are these calls to `findLocalCradle` with a random file appended
2019-10-02 23:04:02	mpickering	cradle <- findLocalCradle (d </> "File.hs")
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2019-10-02 23:05:23	fenedor	findLocalCradle is in principle just "findCradle" followed by "loadCradle". 
2019-10-02 23:05:31	fenedor	and findCradle needs a File
2019-10-02 23:06:17	fenedor	in this case, that should try to look if there is a hie.yaml specified in the current root dir or in one of the parent dirs
2019-10-02 23:09:10	fenedor	mpickering ^
2019-10-02 23:11:31	mpickering	If you are trying to `findCradle`, are you not in the situation where you have just loaded a file
2019-10-02 23:11:31	fenedor	it is stolen from here https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/blob/master/exe/Main.hs#L60
2019-10-02 23:11:58	fenedor	no, findCradle just gives you the hie.yaml if there is any
2019-10-02 23:14:39	fenedor	and loadCradle gives to a hie.yaml a Cradle. We need the cradle to know what version of hie we should execute, in HieWrapper. 
2019-10-02 23:15:10	fenedor	Especially here: https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/hie-bios/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/Base.hs#L109 we need it 
2019-10-02 23:17:31	mpickering	So should `findCradle` be fixed to expect a directory rather than a file?
2019-10-02 23:17:41	mpickering	starting from a file doesn't seem to make that much sense
2019-10-02 23:18:49	mpickering	I also remembered I have some more space leak fixes on a branch
2019-10-02 23:18:50	fenedor	it does make sense in the normal context. In runActionWithContext we receive a filepath which we want to load
2019-10-02 23:19:03	fenedor	in this case, we want to find the Cradle relative to this filepath
2019-10-02 23:19:33	mpickering	ok it just looks strange
2019-10-02 23:19:45	mpickering	it would look better if there was a function which abstracted this hackiness
2019-10-02 23:19:59	mpickering	I think things are looking pretty decent now though
2019-10-02 23:20:13	fenedor	I can upstream one. findCradle could be smart enough to handle both?
2019-10-02 23:20:39	fenedor	s/upstream one/add one upstream/
2019-10-02 23:20:54	mpickering	I mean it should already work
2019-10-02 23:20:59	mpickering	takeDirectory "a/b/c/"
2019-10-02 23:21:05	mpickering	=> "a/b/c"
2019-10-02 23:21:38	mpickering	There is also some mismatch going on somewhere
2019-10-02 23:21:54	mpickering	The `hie.yaml` corresponds to the `CradleConfig` type
2019-10-02 23:22:06	mpickering	which has a nice ADT for the different cradles
2019-10-02 23:22:18	mpickering	but that gets converted into a `Cradle` too early so you have to compare the string
2019-10-02 23:23:02	fenedor	yeah, exactly, https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/62 could be useful
2019-10-02 23:23:19	fenedor	however, I think it is good that cradle contains a string, so you can add dynamically cradles
2019-10-02 23:23:49	mpickering	that was the idea
2019-10-02 23:24:07	fenedor	that is great, it will allow us to integrate c-h-h very easily
2019-10-02 23:24:48	fenedor	I think, predicates for the hie-bios cradle types would suffice
2019-10-02 23:24:55	mpickering	do you want to jump on a quick call to discuss your todo list a bit?
2019-10-02 23:25:28	mpickering	you mean like `isStackCradle :: Cradle -> Bool`
2019-10-02 23:25:42	fenedor	yeah, exactly
2019-10-02 23:25:47	fenedor	sure, but how?
2019-10-02 23:26:18	mpickering	anything is fine for me, just audio, I'm in bed ;)
2019-10-02 23:26:35	mpickering	I am interested in the long start up times and other bugs you mention in the issue
2019-10-02 23:27:25	fenedor	idk, discord? 
2019-10-02 23:27:35	mpickering	I sent a google hangouts invite
2019-10-02 23:27:40	fenedor	ok
2019-10-02 23:27:47	mpickering	I think I have discord downloaded if you send me server details
2019-10-02 23:27:59	mpickering	discord is after my time!
2019-10-02 23:28:10	mpickering	yeah I do, so tell me how to use it
2019-10-02 23:28:36	fenedor	what is you name in discord? we can call each other directly, iirc
2019-10-02 23:28:47	mpickering	how do I find that out?
2019-10-02 23:28:56	fenedor	bottom left corner
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2019-10-03 00:40:40	dxld	mpickering: ping
2019-10-03 00:40:50	mpickering	hi
2019-10-03 00:41:33	dxld	hey
2019-10-03 00:42:50	dxld	I have a question for you: how problematic would changing hie-bios's configuration file stuff at this point be?
2019-10-03 00:43:06	mpickering	it depends what you want to change
2019-10-03 00:43:47	dxld	well
2019-10-03 00:44:39	dxld	the thing is I would like to better model the sort of project/package/component structure cabal has
2019-10-03 00:46:05	mpickering	can you be more specific?
2019-10-03 00:46:07	dxld	because right now you sort of just have one component per hie.yaml file, right?
2019-10-03 00:46:24	dxld	*(Cabal component)
2019-10-03 00:46:45	mpickering	I have a PR which allows you to specify many components in the config file
2019-10-03 00:47:42	dxld	ag
2019-10-03 00:47:47	dxld	*ah
2019-10-03 00:48:33	jneira	i am having some problems with the appveyor build: running the unit tests cabal helper is failing cause it is linking two versions of cabal 
2019-10-03 00:48:50	dxld	I just have this feeling that all of this stuff would be better off in cabal-helper
2019-10-03 00:49:11	mpickering	well you can do that still, fendor is going to implement it
2019-10-03 00:49:15	mpickering	we just discussed it now
2019-10-03 00:49:38	dxld	how exactly do you mean?
2019-10-03 00:50:04	dxld	because essentially I'd like to treat hie.yaml style config files as just another kind of project in c-h
2019-10-03 00:50:22	mpickering	h-i-e links against cabal-helper and requests information about paths, like the other cradles
2019-10-03 00:51:31	jneira	i think i saw this problem when tried to set up tests in azure
2019-10-03 00:52:05	jneira	`Ambiguous module name `Distribution.PackageDescription.Parsec':
2019-10-03 00:52:34	dxld	mpickering: I just think that's kind of backwards
2019-10-03 00:53:20	dxld	the whole point of the current iteration of the c-h api is to abstract away the differences between project (or cralde) types for you
2019-10-03 00:54:32	dxld	I'm not sure I mentioned this but I had this idea on how we can support all the non-Cabal build systems like bazel in c-h too
2019-10-03 00:54:41	mpickering	we have already reached a compromise about h-i-e linking against c-h. the whole ecosystem is moving towards hie-bios at this point. h-i-e can't keep waiting an undetermined amount of time to support the same variety of projects as ghcide
2019-10-03 00:54:57	dxld	and if that pans out I fail to see why we have to have another layer of cradle logic
2019-10-03 00:55:39	dxld	I mean I changed the license for ghcide and everything, so that can't really be called a compromise anymore
2019-10-03 00:55:43	dxld	maybe you missed that
2019-10-03 00:57:09	mpickering	We are going to merge it within the next week now. The PR has been open over 6 months. There's nothing stopping changing the implementation again in the future.
2019-10-03 00:59:19	mpickering	I didn't see that no
2019-10-03 01:04:11	dxld	well I was hoping now that that's out of the way we could talk about how to architect things properly, but apparently you'd rather ship fast which is unfortunate
2019-10-03 01:05:19	mpickering	It has been 6 months
2019-10-03 01:08:58	dxld	I'm not saying we should block hie-bios on this necessarily
2019-10-03 01:09:36	dxld	I would just like a strategy to move towards something more ideal
2019-10-03 01:12:02	mpickering	ok, once we have got it merged, then we can talk about longer term plans
2019-10-03 01:12:47	mpickering	fenedor: I found that the space leak fixes were actually in haskell-lsp and hie-bios, nothing in h-i-e itself
2019-10-03 01:13:00	alanz	hi all
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2019-10-03 01:13:45	mpickering	So if you have merge access on haskell-lsp then it would be good to get that fix merged
2019-10-03 01:14:00	alanz	which fix?
2019-10-03 01:14:02	fendor	mpickering, I do not have merge access for haskell-lsp
2019-10-03 01:14:18	mpickering	one sec.. it's coming
2019-10-03 01:14:20	mpickering	ok
2019-10-03 01:14:52	dxld	alanz: hi
2019-10-03 01:14:57	alanz	dxld, hi
2019-10-03 01:15:13	alanz	I finally had a (short) face to face with ndm today
2019-10-03 01:15:13	mpickering	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/185
2019-10-03 01:15:35	alanz	mpickering, will merge it once CI passes
2019-10-03 01:15:44	dxld	ah, neat. so you're settled into 
2019-10-03 01:15:51	alanz	Settling
2019-10-03 01:15:52	dxld	*FB now then?
2019-10-03 01:15:57	alanz	yes
2019-10-03 01:15:57	dxld	hehe
2019-10-03 01:16:01	alanz	:)
2019-10-03 01:16:24	alanz	If you can switch from AGPL to MIT, I can join FB
2019-10-03 01:16:33	dxld	?
2019-10-03 01:16:43	dxld	Apache2 actually ;)
2019-10-03 01:16:52	dxld	can't go without that patent license
2019-10-03 01:16:57	alanz	Ok, away from AGPL is the point
2019-10-03 01:17:05	dxld	away from regular GPL
2019-10-03 01:17:18	dxld	I swiched off AGPL for c-h ages ago
2019-10-03 01:17:24	alanz	mpickering, haskell-lsp, there is an issue about updating the progress reporting for LSP 3.15
2019-10-03 01:17:38	dxld	that was more of an accident than a concious desision I realised
2019-10-03 01:18:00	dxld	but you FB guys just have to make the GPL unusable too, don't you :P
2019-10-03 01:18:03	alanz	well, the path now is open for easier combination and more contributors, that is the main thing
2019-10-03 01:18:50	alanz	And it makes sense to make the license landscape for GHC and its surrounding tooling ecosystem to be compatible
2019-10-03 01:18:56	mpickering	alanz: Ah yes I remember moritz saying about this problem
2019-10-03 01:19:29	cocreature	I’m hoping to get around to that soon but I’m busy with other stuff atm
2019-10-03 01:20:01	alanz	ok, I was just wondering if your PR was related
2019-10-03 01:20:16	mpickering	Well it might be if they changed the API to remove the cancellation part
2019-10-03 01:20:21	mpickering	but not anything to do with updating it
2019-10-03 01:20:32	mpickering	I've had this change locally for at least a month sorry
2019-10-03 01:20:42	alanz	cocreature, ?
2019-10-03 01:21:11	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/issues/184
2019-10-03 01:21:37	cocreature	cancellation is still a thing but they changed all of the message types and how you have to get the token used in progress notifications
2019-10-03 01:21:59	alanz	ok. But not officially changed yet
2019-10-03 01:22:24	cocreature	well the previous version was even less official :)
2019-10-03 01:22:48	cocreature	https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specifications/specification-3-15/ is up as a draft or whatever they call it so I would expect/hope that it stays somewhat stable now
2019-10-03 01:22:49	alanz	I guess
2019-10-03 01:23:36	mpickering	Perhaps the cancellable messages won't show up horribly in vscode now
2019-10-03 01:25:47	mpickering	So what did neil say when you saw him alanz 
2019-10-03 01:27:10	alanz	it was a high level direction thing
2019-10-03 01:27:57	alanz	And basically agreed that we will try to get the best of the ghcide/hie-bios/c-h approach into one place, preferably under haskell on g-h
2019-10-03 01:28:09	mpickering	ok
2019-10-03 01:28:23	alanz	But this is only if everyone can get behind that approach
2019-10-03 01:28:31	mpickering	fendor and I want to get this hie-bios branch merged before thinking about integrating the h-i-e plugins into ghcide
2019-10-03 01:28:42	alanz	I gather a lot of talk has gone on between you guys to make it work already
2019-10-03 01:29:05	alanz	I am not sure what direction the merge would be, to be honest
2019-10-03 01:29:35	alanz	But my goal for the next few days is to see where everything stands.
2019-10-03 01:30:05	mpickering	ok, ghcide has a bit advantage of h-i-e by reimplementing downsweep
2019-10-03 01:30:08	alanz	So I am going to ask for a little more patience, if you don't mind.  At least I am able to start paying attention again.
2019-10-03 01:30:17	mpickering	as it means they are going to support multiple components in a natural way
2019-10-03 01:30:21	alanz	yes, we would want to bring that over
2019-10-03 01:30:42	alanz	dont forget, originally ghcide was hie-core, intending to be the base layer for hie
2019-10-03 01:31:07	alanz	but that went in a funny direction so separated.
2019-10-03 01:31:18	mpickering	then I think we should make it possible to dynamically load the plugins into ghcide
2019-10-03 01:31:35	dxld	I was thinking that too
2019-10-03 01:31:40	mpickering	or at least you select which ones you want at install time
2019-10-03 01:31:43	dxld	but how do you even make that work with haskell?
2019-10-03 01:31:51	alanz	My view is we should end up with basically a single approach for everyone to rally around, which should be in haskell
2019-10-03 01:31:56	mpickering	The same way GHC supports plugins
2019-10-03 01:32:02	dxld	that would be more doable, as much as I would prefer the dynamic approach
2019-10-03 01:32:17	dxld	oh yeah, I forgot about that
2019-10-03 01:32:33	alanz	And it was always intended that hie is modular, with a plugin architecture
2019-10-03 01:32:34	dxld	not actually sure how that works, but we got a template at least
2019-10-03 01:32:57	mpickering	You just have to make sure that the plugin is installed, natural with nix, probably more awkward otherwise
2019-10-03 01:32:57	alanz	so if we can load/configure them somehow, we should be able to put them in easily enough
2019-10-03 01:33:25	alanz	yes. But there is prior art with things like yi and xmonad too
2019-10-03 01:33:48	dxld	that's more the install time approach though
2019-10-03 01:33:50	mpickering	dxld: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/plugins
2019-10-03 01:33:51	dxld	but sure
2019-10-03 01:33:51	alanz	maybe even that dynamic loading thing via ghci that they use
2019-10-03 01:34:38	mpickering	https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1017478
2019-10-03 01:34:39	dxld	point is we can probably get the plugin linking stuff sorted
2019-10-03 01:34:45	dxld	but we have to figure out the distribution aspect
2019-10-03 01:34:49	alanz	Personally I think the ghci dynamic loading approach is probably the best. Not for hot reloading, but just to be able to point so a library, load it, and get a standard descriptor out of it
2019-10-03 01:35:09	dxld	ghci is a bit heavy handed
2019-10-03 01:36:21	alanz	anyway, basically a specification of some kind, that changes rarely, some process to apply the specification to produce a usable hie exe, and off we go
2019-10-03 01:36:41	mpickering	sounds good :)
2019-10-03 01:36:49	alanz	simplest case is hie as a whole is alibrary, and you write your own MainHie.hs
2019-10-03 01:37:01	alanz	which is why it is structured the way it is at the moment
2019-10-03 01:37:50	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/app/MainHie.hs#L24-L68
2019-10-03 01:38:07	mpickering	yeah, makes sense
2019-10-03 01:38:22	dxld	I would rather have something where you don't have to go and edit a source file to get additional plugins
2019-10-03 01:38:45	dxld	but if the other options are too horrible we can always fall back to that
2019-10-03 01:38:52	alanz	dxld, that is where having a config file and a process could be useful
2019-10-03 01:39:18	dxld	what do you mean, a process?
2019-10-03 01:39:18	alanz	In my mind there are two parts, *having* plugins, and the mechanics of provisioning them in
2019-10-03 01:40:03	alanz	dxld, it could be a programme we write that takes a dhall file describing the plugins you need, and it invokes ghc to build you an exe.
2019-10-03 01:40:12	alanz	like the install.hs for hie at the moment
2019-10-03 01:40:21	alanz	just add some use-customisation into it
2019-10-03 01:40:27	dxld	mhm
2019-10-03 01:40:33	dxld	yeah I was thinking something like that
2019-10-03 01:40:35	mpickering	the static case is easy because you could just generate the Main.hs file
2019-10-03 01:40:51	alanz	exaclty
2019-10-03 01:40:54	dxld	mhm
2019-10-03 01:41:02	alanz	and nine times out of ten that is fine
2019-10-03 01:41:11	dxld	how would the dynamic case even work in the face of multiple ghc lib versions?
2019-10-03 01:41:14	alanz	because plugins are something that gets updated rarely
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2019-10-03 01:41:36	alanz	personally I think the static route is the best in the short term
2019-10-03 01:41:44	dxld	I'm starting to think that too
2019-10-03 01:41:48	mpickering	dxld usually the plugin has to be installed in the right package db
2019-10-03 01:41:59	dxld	yeah and that's going to be a ux nightmare
2019-10-03 01:42:04	mpickering	so you would pass an extra package-db flag probably? anyway it's interesting to try
2019-10-03 01:42:07	mpickering	no issue with nix..
2019-10-03 01:42:09	mpickering	:)
2019-10-03 01:42:12	alanz	And it allows location-specific plugins too, e.g. some sort of critic that is internal to a company, for their own standards
2019-10-03 01:42:25	dxld	haha, yeah highroad us why'don't'hca 
2019-10-03 01:42:44	mpickering	I was also just discussing with fendor how impossible nix was to use.. so
2019-10-03 01:42:51	dxld	:)
2019-10-03 01:42:58	alanz	well, we have to support all the operating systems.
2019-10-03 01:43:01	dxld	you should try guix :P
2019-10-03 01:43:13	alanz	and as of yesterday I can do mac testing / dev too :(
2019-10-03 01:43:18	dxld	(though I'm not sure they even have haskell stuff packaged yet)
2019-10-03 01:43:23	mpickering	a language with even worse syntax than nix
2019-10-03 01:43:40	dxld	oh come on, lisp is nice
2019-10-03 01:43:44	alanz	dxld, I am starting to see a dribble of haskell packages coming through on guix
2019-10-03 01:43:53	dxld	cool beans
2019-10-03 01:43:57	alanz	lisp is great, in my opinion
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2019-10-03 01:44:06	dxld	as long as they got ghc it's off to the races
2019-10-03 01:44:16	alanz	at least it has a principled syntax, not that ad hoc nix description language
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2019-10-03 01:44:22	dxld	mhm
2019-10-03 01:44:36	dxld	I have to have another look if haskell stuff is finally in order
2019-10-03 01:45:00	alanz	if some is there, there is a defined process, so the rest should start coming
2019-10-03 01:45:10	dxld	yeah exactly
2019-10-03 01:45:11	alanz	trouble is, the guix ecosystem is tiny
2019-10-03 01:45:34	dxld	that's fine with me
2019-10-03 01:45:46	dxld	at least they agree with my free software principles
2019-10-03 01:46:16	alanz	well, GNU
2019-10-03 01:46:24	alanz	so they would
2019-10-03 01:46:28	dxld	exactly
2019-10-03 01:47:07	dxld	but apart from that I also really like their (minimal) bootstrapping story
2019-10-03 01:47:22	dxld	anyways
2019-10-03 01:47:32	alanz	yes. Which comes for free with the lisp/scheme world
2019-10-03 01:47:47	dxld	so with our current install for N GHCs approach dyn plugins would be a nightmare IMO
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2019-10-03 01:48:28	dxld	I still have this plan to turn that whole thing on it's head with c-h and force the buildsystem to use a certain ghc we chose instead
2019-10-03 01:48:40	dxld	so with that it could be workable
2019-10-03 01:48:49	alanz	agree. I reckon we carry on with a static build, but start considering how to site-configure the MainHie.hs, together with any added deps that could be needed
2019-10-03 01:49:06	dxld	as long as we have a config file instead of a haskell source file it should be ok
2019-10-03 01:49:22	alanz	because these are all things we can do now, with the pieces we already have in place
2019-10-03 01:49:28	alanz	agree
2019-10-03 01:49:31	dxld	we can always also have a Main.hs with all (or many) plugins enabled in the cabal file too
2019-10-03 01:49:39	dxld	which could be disabled by default
2019-10-03 01:49:46	dxld	so you can just use that if you need nothing fancy
2019-10-03 01:49:49	alanz	yes
2019-10-03 01:50:12	dxld	that should allow be a workable upgrade path to actual pluggable plugins
2019-10-03 01:50:17	dxld	static or dynamic
2019-10-03 01:50:29	alanz	but basically I would see a step that generates a cabal file, with the plugins and hie(lib) as deps, and builds it
2019-10-03 01:50:33	alanz	exactly
2019-10-03 01:50:45	dxld	as for the config format
2019-10-03 01:51:00	dxld	as much as I like the idea of dhall, it's _another_ dependency
2019-10-03 01:51:24	dxld	we already bring in yaml with hie-bios, which I don't really like either but here we are
2019-10-03 01:51:38	mpickering	it used to be dhall
2019-10-03 01:51:43	dxld	my crazy idea of the day would be to use Cabal's config file parser :)
2019-10-03 01:51:44	mpickering	but that was even more annoying
2019-10-03 01:51:56	dxld	it's actually exposing the internals now it seems like
2019-10-03 01:52:03	dxld	and the syntax is familliar to people in haskell land
2019-10-03 01:52:10	dxld	AND it's not yet another dependency
2019-10-03 01:52:17	alanz	well, whatever format we choose, it should be consistent across the bios and the plugins
2019-10-03 01:52:29	dxld	indeed
2019-10-03 01:52:42	dxld	mpickering: how so?
2019-10-03 01:53:05	mpickering	firstly it has loads of dependencies
2019-10-03 01:53:18	alanz	and if we define the data type that it parses down to well enough, we can potentially provide alternate "skins" for it
2019-10-03 01:53:24	mpickering	secondly they keep changing the language specification 
2019-10-03 01:53:33	alanz	cabal or dhall?
2019-10-03 01:53:37	dxld	mhm, I sent them a patch at some point to (optionally) get rid of the http dependencies at least ;)
2019-10-03 01:53:38	mpickering	so one version my specification broken and I coulnd't work out from the changelog how to fix it
2019-10-03 01:53:42	mpickering	dhall
2019-10-03 01:53:59	mpickering	then neil reimplmented it in terms of yaml and we were done
2019-10-03 01:54:07	dxld	oh god, that sounds aweful
2019-10-03 01:54:19	alanz	I listened to a podcast with Gabriel G recently, they are focusing on using it as a devops language now, I gather
2019-10-03 01:54:20	dxld	(the spec thing)
2019-10-03 01:54:44	mpickering	I also had to go through great contortions to add a data type to the implicit environmnet
2019-10-03 01:55:47	dxld	mpickering, if you don't disagree with using cabal's syntax on principle I'm going to produce a prototype to see what a parser using that would look like
2019-10-03 01:55:54	jneira	there is dhall-to-cabal too...
2019-10-03 01:56:12	mpickering	I don't think it really matters, what we have now works
2019-10-03 01:56:14	alanz	dxld, if you do that, make sure to use the next-gen cabal parser
2019-10-03 01:56:16	dxld	if that's not too horrible we could go with that and otherwise go with yaml for lack of better options
2019-10-03 01:56:25	dxld	yeah
2019-10-03 01:56:33	dxld	the other one is not exposed sufficiently I think
2019-10-03 01:56:42	alanz	But I have a feeling that something like yaml might work better
2019-10-03 01:56:46	dxld	so no worries about that, I was going to use the parsec one
2019-10-03 01:56:55	alanz	because cabal is too powerful for what we need here
2019-10-03 01:57:04	dxld	?
2019-10-03 01:57:12	dxld	is it though?
2019-10-03 01:57:56	alanz	well, if you reused the exe component syntax, but stripped out pretty much everything except the deps
2019-10-03 01:58:06	alanz	it might work.
2019-10-03 01:58:18	dxld	we can define toplevel fields or our own sections
2019-10-03 01:58:31	dxld	we don't really have to reuse any of the native cabal structures
2019-10-03 01:58:38	alanz	but when you get into the conditional stuff, and all the other crufty bits it gets a bit hairy
2019-10-03 01:58:46	dxld	the format itself is just fields and sections
2019-10-03 01:58:53	dxld	kinda like .ini
2019-10-03 01:58:58	alanz	ok
2019-10-03 01:59:07	dxld	we don't have to use that at all
2019-10-03 01:59:27	alanz	well, I think we should come up with something, both for what we need in the after-parsing data structure, and how to represent it
2019-10-03 01:59:32	dxld	but you're right that might be hard to disable actually
2019-10-03 01:59:37	alanz	and see how it looks and feels
2019-10-03 02:01:31	dxld	sounds good to me
2019-10-03 02:03:57	mpickering	dxld: Did you see I built your branch with the new profiling mode on
2019-10-03 02:04:04	mpickering	seemed to work!
2019-10-03 02:04:09	dxld	mpickering: no? link?
2019-10-03 02:04:19	mpickering	well I put some comments on the MR
2019-10-03 02:04:30	dxld	oh you just mean the root prof one
2019-10-03 02:04:39	mpickering	yeah
2019-10-03 02:04:48	mpickering	and also half wrote some documentation
2019-10-03 02:04:49	dxld	i did see those two comments
2019-10-03 02:05:01	dxld	I didn't know about GHC.Profiling
2019-10-03 02:05:09	dxld	that's a good place for that function i recon
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2019-10-03 02:05:43	dxld	do you have any fancy graphs?
2019-10-03 02:05:55	dxld	also I'm confused why the eventlog thing doesn't work
2019-10-03 02:05:58	mpickering	I did exactly the same profile as you
2019-10-03 02:06:03	dxld	I just integrated into what heap prof was doing
2019-10-03 02:06:16	dxld	including the eventlog stuff so I dunno why that wouldn't work
2019-10-03 02:06:19	mpickering	yeah I didn't look into it
2019-10-03 02:06:47	dxld	I still don't like the discrepancy between max residency and the graph peak value
2019-10-03 02:07:16	dxld	could it be that bytesting payloads arent being counted or something?
2019-10-03 02:07:21	 *	ndm waves
2019-10-03 02:07:33	dxld	but AFAIR those are also allocated in the haskell heap like normal, just pinned
2019-10-03 02:07:47	dxld	ndm: hey
2019-10-03 02:08:01	alanz	mpickering, merged your haskell-lsp PR
2019-10-03 02:08:07	mpickering	thanks
2019-10-03 02:08:12	dxld	ndm: I was hoping you'd eventually show up on irc :)
2019-10-03 02:08:30	mpickering	yeah they are allocated normally on the heap
2019-10-03 02:08:48	dxld	so I dunno what else ghc would be allocating that I'm not counting
2019-10-03 02:08:58	mpickering	I was poking around in gdb today reading the word "Type" backwards
2019-10-03 02:09:05	mpickering	directly from an Addr#
2019-10-03 02:09:20	dxld	huh
2019-10-03 02:09:25	dxld	like it's backwards in memory?
2019-10-03 02:09:35	dxld	like epyT :)
2019-10-03 02:09:38	mpickering	no because gdb prints in the other endian
2019-10-03 02:09:45	dxld	haha
2019-10-03 02:09:54	mpickering	so it was like 0x44654254000000
2019-10-03 02:09:55	dxld	because that fits right in a machine word hehe
2019-10-03 02:10:23	mpickering	AndreasK saved me, I was feeling pretty ill and just trying to add an offset and read these hex digits
2019-10-03 02:10:32	mpickering	he put me straight
2019-10-03 02:10:40	dxld	if you start just seeing "Type" there you spent too much time staring at the matrix ... eeer gdb I think
2019-10-03 02:10:42	mpickering	and then I was reading the decimal for the ascii table rather than hex
2019-10-03 02:11:07	mpickering	yeah it was like, follow 5 points and then add an offset to an address then read it backwards
2019-10-03 02:11:42	mpickering	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/issues/17292
2019-10-03 02:11:52	mpickering	then that's what I found out
2019-10-03 02:12:14	dxld	haha neat
2019-10-03 02:12:31	mpickering	I'm going to talk about this at Haskell exchange next week
2019-10-03 02:12:35	dxld	looks like we need hash consing for more than just strings ;)
2019-10-03 02:12:36	mpickering	and also your heap profiling mode 
2019-10-03 02:12:41	mpickering	and other profiling things
2019-10-03 02:13:06	mpickering	perhaps you are interested in this as well, bgamari was suggesting to add a way of making a compact which did hash consing
2019-10-03 02:13:13	dxld	30MB, wow
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2019-10-03 02:13:41	dxld	how would that mix with comapcts?
2019-10-03 02:13:56	mpickering	When you compact something you also deduplicate 
2019-10-03 02:14:03	mpickering	There is currently a mode which preserves sharing
2019-10-03 02:14:15	mpickering	but this would increase sharing
2019-10-03 02:14:19	dxld	oh so add another one that needs a hash function
2019-10-03 02:14:32	mpickering	another way of making a compact yeah
2019-10-03 02:14:35	dxld	that sounds palausible
2019-10-03 02:14:38	mpickering	which would be perfect for ModIface
2019-10-03 02:14:49	dxld	is there as much duplication in modifac?
2019-10-03 02:14:59	mpickering	as you would deduplicate so much crap to do with types and unfoldings
2019-10-03 02:15:01	dxld	I mean I hope not because we're serializing those suckers to disk
2019-10-03 02:15:30	dxld	another reason to use straight up compacts as the serialisation format, cool
2019-10-03 02:15:32	mpickering	It's in the EPS anyway
2019-10-03 02:15:43	mpickering	you can't really use compacts to serialise on macs unfortunately
2019-10-03 02:15:43	dxld	could look different on disk
2019-10-03 02:15:49	mpickering	because of ASLR
2019-10-03 02:15:49	dxld	O:
2019-10-03 02:16:01	dxld	does that actually break it?
2019-10-03 02:16:11	mpickering	apparently according to the one person I could find using a compact
2019-10-03 02:16:17	dxld	I thought it just swaps the absolute addresses for relative ones on serialisation?
2019-10-03 02:16:33	mpickering	https://github.com/haskell-nix/hnix/issues/165#issuecomment-380603444
2019-10-03 02:16:40	dxld	I don't see a reason it shouldn't work even with aslr
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2019-10-03 02:16:58	dxld	you might not be able to straight up mmap them anymore but still
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2019-10-03 02:17:17	mpickering	they mention this in the paper as well
2019-10-03 02:17:29	dxld	I'll have to read up on that
2019-10-03 02:17:51	dxld	never did get around to reading the whole paper yet
2019-10-03 02:18:48	dxld	I just don't see the difference between ASLR and just loading a compact blob on a different os
2019-10-03 02:20:25	dxld	I mean the region is just one big blob of memory, no?
2019-10-03 02:20:50	dxld	so it would stand to reason that the location of that region is randomised but not the relative locations of the heap objects within
2019-10-03 02:22:07	dxld	mpickering: I have the paper open, can't find any mention of ASLR. do you remember which section you read this in?
2019-10-03 02:22:51	mpickering	End of section 4.1
2019-10-03 02:22:56	mpickering	C+f random
2019-10-03 02:24:01	dxld	ah
2019-10-03 02:25:35	dxld	oh so it needs to find the info table for the deserialisation?
2019-10-03 02:25:43	dxld	and that's randomised with ASLR
2019-10-03 02:26:22	dxld	I didn't realise the whole serialisation aspect is predecated on deserialising in the same binary
2019-10-03 02:26:28	dxld	s/binary/executable/
2019-10-03 02:26:36	dxld	that's a bummer
2019-10-03 02:28:15	dxld	ah "Interoperation with different binaries" :)
2019-10-03 02:30:20	dxld	yeah, ok.
2019-10-03 02:30:39	dxld	so with this support for fixup I don't see why this would break with aslr
2019-10-03 02:31:07	dxld	in the ideal case you're running the same ghc exe that produced the compact and can just load it right in
2019-10-03 02:31:20	mpickering	yeah
2019-10-03 02:31:26	dxld	and otherwise you fixup the info pointers and you're probably still faster than binary ;)
2019-10-03 02:31:40	dxld	though I wonder if this break reproducible builds somehow
2019-10-03 02:32:15	dxld	with aslr the pointers would change so then repro builds would be broken
2019-10-03 02:32:21	dxld	:|
2019-10-03 02:32:53	dxld	I guess we need a post pass to normalize the info table addresses for stuff that goes in distribution packages
2019-10-03 02:33:03	dxld	uuugh that sucks
2019-10-03 02:33:09	mpickering	I don't think it's realistic to distribute compacts
2019-10-03 02:33:19	mpickering	but for local caching it's fine
2019-10-03 02:33:21	dxld	yeah, so we can't use them for .hi files
2019-10-03 02:33:31	mpickering	you can, if you don't distribute them
2019-10-03 02:33:31	dxld	which was my plan
2019-10-03 02:33:44	dxld	well yeah but that's going to make things a lot more complicated
2019-10-03 02:34:10	mpickering	You can already either use a .hi or a .o file with ghci
2019-10-03 02:34:17	dxld	but I guess serializing compacts is free since it doesn't need any serialization code
2019-10-03 02:34:52	dxld	I'm just thinking how do you give people the advantage of using this by default without distros accidentally using the compacts
2019-10-03 02:35:15	dxld	that means you can't make it the default which sucks but oh well I guess
2019-10-03 02:37:31	dxld	I wonder if just always normalising the info ptrs might actually still be significantly faster than binary
2019-10-03 02:37:57	dxld	have to do some benchmarking when we get there
2019-10-03 02:38:49	mpickering	do you need some help with the ShortByteString patch?
2019-10-03 02:39:04	dxld	IMO it's done
2019-10-03 02:39:19	dxld	it's just a matter of explaining or debugging the stats stuff
2019-10-03 02:39:42	mpickering	so the gist is bytes allocated goes up
2019-10-03 02:39:47	mpickering	but max residency goes down
2019-10-03 02:39:49	dxld	yeah
2019-10-03 02:39:53	mpickering	and also it's a lot faster allocating FastStrings
2019-10-03 02:40:05	dxld	but I've been staring at the code for too long and I just don't see what could be causing it
2019-10-03 02:40:17	dxld	I mean I'll apply the review comments I got still
2019-10-03 02:40:56	dxld	oh and I am sure the cached length thing isn't causing this now
2019-10-03 02:41:21	dxld	it's definitely the last commit
2019-10-03 02:42:00	mpickering	dxld: You can see the difference just in the microbenchmark
2019-10-03 02:42:37	dxld	oh in yours?
2019-10-03 02:42:59	mpickering	yeah look in my comment
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2019-10-03 02:43:35	dxld	oh yeah
2019-10-03 02:43:46	dxld	well I mean you can also see it with compiling cabal
2019-10-03 02:43:51	dxld	so we have plenty of reproducers
2019-10-03 02:44:16	dxld	maybe AndreasK is right and it's ghc failing to inline my read/write functions
2019-10-03 02:44:22	dxld	or something
2019-10-03 02:44:46	dxld	I was going to try staring at some core
2019-10-03 02:45:38	dxld	but I'm scared of the time I'm going to waste recompiling ghc with a hundred different dump flags until I find the right one
2019-10-03 02:45:42	mpickering	yeah that could definitely do it
2019-10-03 02:45:47	mpickering	I would try his refactoring
2019-10-03 02:45:49	dxld	you think?
2019-10-03 02:46:12	mpickering	yeah if the function doesn't get inlined then you will allocate additional function closures
2019-10-03 02:46:21	dxld	hmm
2019-10-03 02:46:33	mpickering	The fact my micro benchmark shows this problem up narrows it already down a lot
2019-10-03 02:46:43	mpickering	https://gist.github.com/mpickering/248ffebee2cb79060413fc8c54da7037
2019-10-03 02:46:49	dxld	I was going to just defunctionalize it
2019-10-03 02:47:08	dxld	in the hopes of not having to duplicate the function, but I guess let's give this sucker a try
2019-10-03 02:47:28	dxld	ah indeed you're right
2019-10-03 02:47:32	dxld	that does narrow it down
2019-10-03 02:47:46	dxld	let me just quickly try this refactor
2019-10-03 02:54:31	mpickering	how long is this refactor going to take you
2019-10-03 02:54:38	mpickering	I'm interested to see the results
2019-10-03 02:55:47	dxld	I remember why I didn't want to do it now
2019-10-03 02:55:49	dxld	:)
2019-10-03 02:59:34	dxld	compiling it is probably going to take forever
2019-10-03 03:00:11	mpickering	perhaps we should add my micro benchmark as a performance test
2019-10-03 03:00:33	dxld	yeah, I suppose that could be nice
2019-10-03 03:01:03	dxld	I'd like to add it as the first commit and then declare the improvements in the sbs commit :)
2019-10-03 03:01:31	dxld	how do you add performance baselines?
2019-10-03 03:01:41	dxld	or do you just tell the ci system to record them somehow?
2019-10-03 03:03:06	mpickering	I've got no idea sorry
2019-10-03 03:03:14	mpickering	perhaps you just add the test and then it starts recording
2019-10-03 03:03:45	dxld	I don't think so
2019-10-03 03:04:01	dxld	I looked at the data recently and it's not _all_ tests and _all_ metrics
2019-10-03 03:04:04	dxld	just selected ones
2019-10-03 03:04:23	dxld	anyways I'll figure it out, just thought you might know
2019-10-03 03:10:46	dxld	ok it's building now
2019-10-03 03:11:00	dxld	I only refactored the decode function for now
2019-10-03 03:11:09	dxld	I hope that's enough for the microbench
2019-10-03 03:13:40	dxld	actually decode is probably exactly the wrong codepath xD
2019-10-03 03:33:42	dxld	mpickering: still building..
2019-10-03 03:37:39	dxld	ok nvm I managed to introduce an obscure encoding bug again, I'll try this another time
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2019-10-03 14:18:44	jneira_	hey fendor
2019-10-03 14:18:56	fendor	jneira_, good morning :)
2019-10-03 14:18:58	jneira_	i am trying to checkout your merge-hie-bios
2019-10-03 14:19:16	fendor	it should be possible now to just checkout hie-bio
2019-10-03 14:19:19	fendor	s
2019-10-03 14:19:34	fendor	i force pushed to that branch a lot
2019-10-03 14:19:46	jneira_	the main repo pr?
2019-10-03 14:19:49	jneira_	ah ok
2019-10-03 14:20:07	fendor	yes, merge-hie-bios was merged yesterday or the day before into hie-bios main pr branch
2019-10-03 14:20:19	jneira_	i've got errors trying to `git submodule update`with yours
2019-10-03 14:20:40	jneira_	Cloning into 'D:/ws/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/hie-bios'...
2019-10-03 14:20:41	jneira_	3b192c3a2b010539d02e753e3d3d. Direct fetching of that commit failed.
2019-10-03 14:20:46	fendor	goodness, that happens all the time :/ did you try to deinit the submodules?
2019-10-03 14:21:02	mpickering	jneira_: Make sure to clone to hie-bios branch
2019-10-03 14:21:03	mpickering	not master
2019-10-03 14:21:29	mpickering	and also you need mpickering/hie-bios
2019-10-03 14:21:33	mpickering	not haskell-ide-engine/hie-bios
2019-10-03 14:23:40	mpickering	I deleted the branch now form haskell-ide-engine as I accidently pushed it there
2019-10-03 14:26:07	jneira_	nvm the pr works fine
2019-10-03 14:26:36	fendor	yay
2019-10-03 14:26:46	jneira_	i'll pull lastest hie-bios adding it as remote dep in cabal and/or stack
2019-10-03 14:26:58	mpickering	?
2019-10-03 14:27:07	mpickering	There's a reason for the submodule
2019-10-03 14:27:52	jneira_	oh, there is outside submodules
2019-10-03 14:28:03	jneira_	*it
2019-10-03 14:28:07	jneira_	ok then
2019-10-03 14:28:15	fendor	yeah... should we move it to submodules?
2019-10-03 14:28:39	mpickering	I don't intend for it to be a submodule for a long period
2019-10-03 14:29:43	fendor	right.
2019-10-03 14:30:07	jneira_	building...
2019-10-03 14:31:30	jneira_	mpickering: re structured erros, i've found an issue about in hie, i've update it linking the bgamari proposal
2019-10-03 14:31:37	mpickering	yes I saw thanks
2019-10-03 14:31:52	mpickering	although I didn't see you posting to the mailing list about what was happening to the proposal
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2019-10-03 14:33:42	jneira_	yeah, i am a little bit scared :-P
2019-10-03 14:34:07	jneira_	but i'll post something asap
2019-10-03 14:36:39	jneira_	fendor: did you get to talk with someone with permission to add azure ci in github?
2019-10-03 14:38:28	fendor	jneira_, no, unfortunately not, but I will ask alan
2019-10-03 14:39:22	jneira_	:+1:
2019-10-03 15:04:51	mpickering	fendor: I just loaded ghc into h-i-e
2019-10-03 15:04:58	mpickering	and it seems to still load three times
2019-10-03 15:05:39	fendor	I assume with cabal?
2019-10-03 15:05:50	mpickering	no `bios` cradle
2019-10-03 15:06:01	mpickering	I removed the line which deletes the caches anyway
2019-10-03 15:06:06	mpickering	and it loads quicker second time
2019-10-03 15:06:18	mpickering	but it seems to still load everything three times
2019-10-03 15:06:28	mpickering	I imagine what is happening is that the first load happens on cradle initialisation
2019-10-03 15:06:42	mpickering	then when setTypecheckedModule is called another load is triggered
2019-10-03 15:08:13	mpickering	init time with cached hi files is about 30 seconds
2019-10-03 15:08:23	fendor	First load is triggered by mapFileFromVFS, then two loads are triggered by diagnostics. The third load is setTypecheckedModule
2019-10-03 15:08:37	fendor	30 seconds is way better than 1 minute
2019-10-03 15:08:44	mpickering	this is with 500 modules
2019-10-03 15:08:57	mpickering	It looks like it calls the bios program multiple times though
2019-10-03 15:08:58	fendor	then it is awesome, right?
2019-10-03 15:09:10	mpickering	but all I did was delete the cache line
2019-10-03 15:09:15	mpickering	which you said din't work
2019-10-03 15:09:21	fendor	ok, then, maybe I needed a clean rebuilt
2019-10-03 15:10:38	mpickering	So why does `mapFileFromVFS` trigger a complete reload?
2019-10-03 15:11:05	mpickering	did that thing I suggested with call stacks work?
2019-10-03 15:11:21	fendor	because it sends a message to the GHC thread to update the document version. 
2019-10-03 15:11:43	fendor	you mean profiling?
2019-10-03 15:12:47	fendor	without any context, I just got an error: https://gist.github.com/fendor/fbb9d23bedd98fadd045f4409c9dc3d3 
2019-10-03 15:12:50	fendor	error is in the last line
2019-10-03 15:13:41	mpickering	how did you trigger that?
2019-10-03 15:14:10	mpickering	something is definitely quite wrong still
2019-10-03 15:14:26	mpickering	because I open a new file then it also triggers 3 complete reloads
2019-10-03 15:14:51	fendor	I dont know, I didnt do anything, I think
2019-10-03 15:15:09	fendor	just crashed while loading
2019-10-03 15:15:31	fendor	well, I was git checkouting different branches while loading, maybe this killed something
2019-10-03 15:16:07	fendor	maybe the bios cradle is borked a bit? On hie codebase, it just loads correctly once now
2019-10-03 15:16:13	mpickering	If you work out how to reproduce it then make an issue
2019-10-03 15:16:15	mpickering	what I am seeing is this
2019-10-03 15:16:24	mpickering	I have a module `Stream.hs` open
2019-10-03 15:16:52	mpickering	I open `StringBuffer.hs`
2019-10-03 15:17:10	mpickering	Two complete reloads are triggered
2019-10-03 15:17:27	mpickering	Then finally just the 9 modules which should be loaded are loaded
2019-10-03 15:17:43	fendor	yeah, first is triggered by "mapFileFromVfs", the second by hlint diagnostics and the third by actually typechecking the module
2019-10-03 15:18:13	mpickering	yeah well, it's wrong!
2019-10-03 15:18:21	mpickering	Look at this log, it's insane
2019-10-03 15:18:30	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/rZZcTLXR/
2019-10-03 15:18:46	mpickering	So firstly the wrong `FilePath` ends up being passed to `lookupCradle` somehow
2019-10-03 15:18:58	mpickering	I just closed Stream.hs and opened StringBuffer.hs
2019-10-03 15:19:16	mpickering	2. There is a cache miss to find the right cradle so a new cradle is created
2019-10-03 15:19:31	mpickering	Then 3. `lookupCradle` is called with the right path
2019-10-03 15:19:45	mpickering	but for some reason the `cradleCache` is still empty
2019-10-03 15:19:48	mpickering	so another cache miss
2019-10-03 15:20:07	mpickering	Then 4. step 3 is repeated again
2019-10-03 15:20:14	mpickering	another cache miss leading to a complete reload
2019-10-03 15:20:42	fendor	yeah, so, when you open a file, three messages are sent to GHC thread, which are not cancelled when you close that file
2019-10-03 15:21:17	mpickering	Does that have anything to do with this?
2019-10-03 15:21:50	fendor	thats the explanation why it tries to load three times before succeeding
2019-10-03 15:22:11	fendor	or rather why three times
2019-10-03 15:22:15	mpickering	but it should reuse the cradle 
2019-10-03 15:22:20	mpickering	not initialise it each time
2019-10-03 15:22:30	fendor	yeah, but you see, the module graph is empty
2019-10-03 15:22:40	mpickering	and the first load is for a file I just closed... that makes zero sense
2019-10-03 15:22:47	fendor	the empty list you see in the logs is the result of `mgModSummaries` 
2019-10-03 15:23:14	fendor	was the file open when you opened the editor? but yeah, that is weird, should have been three times as well ;D 
2019-10-03 15:23:34	mpickering	Yes I opened `Stream.hs` before
2019-10-03 15:23:43	mpickering	The empty list happens before the cradle load
2019-10-03 15:24:04	mpickering	The cradle shouldn't be needed in order to close a file
2019-10-03 15:24:15	mpickering	So the first reload is definitely bad
2019-10-03 15:24:25	fendor	on close, there is still a message sent to ghc thread, iirc
2019-10-03 15:24:33	mpickering	yes but that shouldn't trigger a cradle load
2019-10-03 15:24:41	mpickering	or at least, the cradle shouldn't be reloaded
2019-10-03 15:24:45	mpickering	it should be a cache hit
2019-10-03 15:24:51	mpickering	the cache is totally empty for some reason in this example
2019-10-03 15:25:24	fendor	yeah, it shouldnt, but in the current implementation hard to avoid
2019-10-03 15:25:58	fendor	oh, actually, that could be avoided by just omitting the conext
2019-10-03 15:26:01	fendor	*context
2019-10-03 15:26:25	fendor	however, what I find troublesome is that the cache is empty after cradle initialisation
2019-10-03 15:26:27	mpickering	The problem really here is that the cradle caching is failing
2019-10-03 15:26:45	mpickering	If you look at `lookupCradle` 
2019-10-03 15:26:59	mpickering	you can see that `dirs` is empty
2019-10-03 15:27:42	fendor	yeah, that is what i meant with the empty list. The result of `mgModSummaries` is empty
2019-10-03 15:28:39	mpickering	oh I see
2019-10-03 15:29:25	mpickering	this is because of a change I made
2019-10-03 15:29:27	mpickering	last night
2019-10-03 15:31:40	mpickering	ok load is now 10s
2019-10-03 15:31:45	mpickering	with the cached interface files
2019-10-03 15:32:06	fendor	for ghc?
2019-10-03 15:32:11	fendor	that sounds reasonable fast
2019-10-03 15:32:36	mpickering	yeah switching modules is also fast now
2019-10-03 15:32:47	mpickering	just because I got two things in the wrong order
2019-10-03 15:32:54	mpickering	I pushed a fix to my local-changes branch
2019-10-03 15:33:56	fendor	I borked something yesterday, my fix for the undefined did fail to typecheck
2019-10-03 15:34:43	mpickering	ok I have to do other stuff now
2019-10-03 15:34:49	mpickering	but I have fixed my PR
2019-10-03 15:35:03	fendor	thats great, thanks! I will look into it
2019-10-03 15:35:04	mpickering	and also can't reproduce this failing to load interface files
2019-10-03 15:35:09	fendor	then it is fine
2019-10-03 15:35:13	fendor	maybe it was unrelated
2019-10-03 15:36:34	mpickering	I didn't get your point about failing to parse cabal files yesterday
2019-10-03 15:36:53	mpickering	there shouldn't be any exceptions thrown from that
2019-10-03 15:37:16	fendor	ok, I will see if I can make a proper bug report out of it 
2019-10-03 16:11:12	jneira_	fendor: i still has problems with HaRe within the pr :-/
2019-10-03 16:11:31	jneira_	my git foo is failing
2019-10-03 16:13:15	fendor	mine, too. The problem is probably that hare switched the remote
2019-10-03 16:13:35	fendor	what I normally do is delete all submodules, deinit them and such and then try to init them again. What did you try?
2019-10-03 16:13:37	jneira_	ha, solved with the --force
2019-10-03 16:13:47	fendor	oh, yeah, force is a great friend!
2019-10-03 16:14:07	jneira_	be the --force be with you
2019-10-03 16:21:33	jneira_	wow, finally i have to do a `git remote set-url origin https://github.com/wz1000/HaRe.git` inside the submodule to replace alanz repo with wz100
2019-10-03 16:22:23	fendor	doesnt sound exactly right, but well. What I do sometimes now is to just clone it into a fresh directory
2019-10-03 16:22:38	fendor	kind of defeats the purpose of git, but yeah, I can figure out how to use submoduels properly
2019-10-03 16:22:58	fendor	*cant
2019-10-03 16:23:27	jneira_	mmm, git should update the remote auto
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2019-10-03 17:31:48	mpickering	Perhaps you missed a git submodule sync
2019-10-03 17:39:21	jneira_	yeah, that is the correct one, thanks!
2019-10-03 17:40:14	jneira_	i am building the hie-bios pr in azure with tests enabled: https://dev.azure.com/jneira/haskell-ide-engine/_build/results?buildId=212
2019-10-03 17:41:07	jneira_	and in my local windows 7, it looks good: only one unit test failed
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2019-10-03 17:45:20	jneira_	fendor: https://dev.azure.com/jneira/haskell-ide-engine/_build/results?buildId=212
2019-10-03 17:45:39	jneira_	:crossing_fingers:
2019-10-03 17:46:15	fendor	jneira_, azure seems dead to me :D 
2019-10-03 17:47:25	fendor	jneira_, i am pretty sure I borked HaRe test-cases
2019-10-03 17:48:08	jneira_	haskell-ide-engine> 142 examples, 7 failures, 1 pending
2019-10-03 17:48:30	fendor	I pushed a fix for those, I think
2019-10-03 17:48:51	jneira_	for macos, but it seems the hoogle db generation did fail
2019-10-03 17:48:58	jneira_	and liquid ones failed too
2019-10-03 17:49:43	jneira_	but you can navigate to the azure build no?
2019-10-03 17:49:50	fendor	no live updates
2019-10-03 17:49:54	fendor	cant see the progress
2019-10-03 17:51:16	jneira_	oh :-/
2019-10-03 17:51:39	fendor	dont worry, will probably work soon
2019-10-03 17:55:18	jneira_	in my local windows only one unit test fail, a liquid one; plugin-dispatcher, dispatcher and wrapper all green (as expected i suppose) 
2019-10-03 17:56:47	jneira_	all in windows 7, i want to test in my win 10 before update the issue or the pr
2019-10-03 17:56:58	fendor	which liquid test fails?
2019-10-03 17:57:53	jneira_	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/399605a622cad1452205a03b9eed7652/pasted.txt
2019-10-03 17:58:35	jneira_	but maybe it is due my liquid install, i think it caused problems with master too
2019-10-03 17:58:38	fendor	that is interesting
2019-10-03 17:59:06	jneira_	let's see in windows 10, there the unit-test is green in master
2019-10-03 18:01:05	jneira_	lot of hie-bios output when running them, is it expected?
2019-10-03 18:01:17	fendor	jneira_, yes
2019-10-03 18:01:21	fendor	but we want to remove it asap
2019-10-03 18:01:28	jneira_	:+1:
2019-10-03 18:01:59	fendor	already have pr to remove that for hie https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/21
2019-10-03 18:02:19	fendor	now I am wondering how to add logging for hie-bios
2019-10-03 18:07:17	fendor	mpickering, do you have a preferred method on how to implement logging for hie-bios? monad-logger?
2019-10-03 18:12:09	mpickering	Just like hie is my preference
2019-10-03 18:12:13	mpickering	Just using stderr
2019-10-03 18:12:29	mpickering	Don't really want to add anything complicated
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2019-10-03 18:30:20	fendor	that uses monadlogger, afaik hslogger and monadlogger
2019-10-03 18:37:47	fendor	i can not read, it is only hslogger
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2019-10-03 18:48:12	bgamari	jneira, are you working on a proposal of your own?
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2019-10-03 22:42:33	pikajude	for some reason, ghc-mod constantly gets confused about where my modules are
2019-10-03 22:42:47	pikajude	using hie with vscode, if I go to my Main.hs and save it to force re-check, no errors
2019-10-03 22:42:57	pikajude	if i go to the module that's being problematic, and save that, ghc-mod says it can't find any of the modules that it imports
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2019-10-04 00:38:53	jneira	bgamari: no, no, we only wanted to know what is the status of your proposal about structured errors (i've linked the poroposal in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/7) 
2019-10-04 00:39:01	jneira	sorry for the confusion
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2019-10-04 02:37:13	mpickering	fendor: What's this problem with CPP?
2019-10-04 02:57:05	fendor	mpickering, hie just crashes
2019-10-04 02:57:19	fendor	i suppose hie-bios actually crashes
2019-10-04 02:57:21	mpickering	what's the error?
2019-10-04 02:57:37	mpickering	is it not similar to a parse error?
2019-10-04 02:57:50	fendor	currently not sure, dont have my laptop with me
2019-10-04 02:57:56	fendor	i can specify it tomorrow
2019-10-04 02:58:05	fendor	*provide details
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2019-10-04 12:35:27	mpickering	jneira: What do you think should happen?
2019-10-04 12:35:39	mpickering	the implicit cradle search is supposed to work, sometimes
2019-10-04 12:36:04	mpickering	but generally it's far better to just specify yourself with a config file what the environmnet is
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2019-10-04 14:21:06	jneira_	mpickering: yeah, i've closed the issue in hie-bios but i am not sure it that behaviour is aligned with hie
2019-10-04 14:21:46	mpickering	If you think the default behavior should be different then open a PR, I don't care very much about the implicit search
2019-10-04 14:21:51	jneira_	hie chooses that project as a cabal based one although it has not cabal.project
2019-10-04 14:22:31	jneira_	maybe we should change hie instead hie-bios?
2019-10-04 14:23:56	mpickering	That depends if you think hie currently does the right thing
2019-10-04 14:24:11	mpickering	I would prefer to make the default search really stupid so it forces people to write the configs
2019-10-04 14:24:20	mpickering	a smart automatic way is just annoying when it tries to be too clever (imo)
2019-10-04 14:26:09	jneira_	imo hie doest it right given its context (it has to choose between cabal and stack, right?), but it is good to keep hie-bios generic  
2019-10-04 14:26:49	mpickering	ok, fendor will implement some special logic into hie I think 
2019-10-04 14:26:55	mpickering	to try to make it perform the same as before
2019-10-04 14:27:27	jneira_	:+1:
2019-10-04 14:27:45	mpickering	does the branch work otherwise :)?
2019-10-04 14:29:18	jneira_	well, it passed all the test suites in my win 10 (only 3 failed tests in the functional one)
2019-10-04 14:29:42	jneira_	i am still testing it manually with vscode
2019-10-04 14:31:16	mpickering	your opinion is important to us
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2019-10-04 14:32:23	mpickering	the response time of ghcide is just so impressive
2019-10-04 14:32:46	mpickering	we can't really compete with that with the current architecture of h-i-e
2019-10-04 14:33:08	jneira_	taking in account the issues it seems there are quite windows users and i think they could grow even more
2019-10-04 14:33:29	jneira_	offering a precompiled binary will help a lot with that
2019-10-04 14:34:00	mpickering	Is this related to ghcide or just a general point?
2019-10-04 14:34:37	jneira_	mmm i am not sure but are the response times a little bit slower with hie-bios?
2019-10-04 14:35:02	mpickering	What are you doing?
2019-10-04 14:35:10	mpickering	should be faster if anything
2019-10-04 14:35:29	mpickering	perhaps you are talking about start up time?
2019-10-04 14:36:11	jneira_	mmm yeah, the initial load of a file
2019-10-04 14:36:25	jneira_	but maybe it is a subjective feeling
2019-10-04 14:36:36	mpickering	There is a known problem with initial load
2019-10-04 14:36:42	mpickering	but we have a plan to make it faster
2019-10-04 14:36:48	jneira_	great
2019-10-04 14:36:58	mpickering	at this stage though, we are spending quite a bit of time on this branch
2019-10-04 14:37:06	mpickering	when the longer term plan is to replace all of this stuff with ghcide..
2019-10-04 14:37:18	mpickering	so making it perfect is a bit hard to get motivated about
2019-10-04 14:38:05	jneira_	oh i am keeping a eye on ghcide but i have not tried it yet
2019-10-04 14:39:28	jneira_	fendor: hi! we was taling about the behaviour of hie + hie-bios with cabal projects without `cabal.project` file
2019-10-04 14:39:33	jneira_	*talking
2019-10-04 14:40:06	jneira_	it is using the default cradle instead the cabal one, would be difficult to make hie use the cabal one in this case?
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2019-10-04 14:41:29	jneira_	context: https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/issues/68
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2019-10-04 14:42:55	fendor	jneira_, the implicit cradle should be replaced by cabal-helper
2019-10-04 14:43:19	fendor	cabal-helper works with cabal v1-* if no cabal.project is given and v2- otherwise
2019-10-04 14:43:58	fendor	do you think this is better default behaviour?
2019-10-04 14:45:44	jneira_	mmm cabal.project is optional for v2 too, ven if you have multiples projects (afaik it default value is `packages: *.cabal, /*/*.cabal`)
2019-10-04 14:45:52	jneira_	*even
2019-10-04 14:47:07	fendor	yeah... but it is just impossible to correctly guess what the user wants. Some still insist on v1- and sandboxes. 
2019-10-04 14:48:07	jneira_	i see, no problem with this if hie dont use the default cradle (it emits warnings about missing modules of packages already imported in `.cabal`)
2019-10-04 14:49:46	jneira_	are you planing to use cabal-helper in the actual pr or in a follow up?
2019-10-04 14:50:05	fendor	not sure yet. 
2019-10-04 14:50:17	fendor	I started with an implementation: https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/26
2019-10-04 14:50:22	fendor	which currently does not work
2019-10-04 14:50:46	fendor	it might be worth it, to make hie buildable with ghc 8.8
2019-10-04 14:51:58	jneira_	no worries, but imo we should document the need of `cabal.project` in the meanwhile if the pr is merged
2019-10-04 14:52:14	fendor	good idea
2019-10-04 14:52:56	fendor	I already added a paragraph about explicit configuration, maybe we should add something about implicit configuration?
2019-10-04 14:52:57	jneira_	(or the `hie.yaml` explicit hie-bios config) 
2019-10-04 14:53:48	fendor	btw, in the hie-bios branch, hie.yamls in testdata should be ignored, at least I added them to the .gitignore 
2019-10-04 14:54:35	fendor	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1126/files#diff-a084b794bc0759e7a6b77810e01874f2R78-R79
2019-10-04 14:54:46	jneira_	i am afraid that `cabal init` doent create auto the `cabal.project` so it is probable that it will not be
2019-10-04 14:54:53	jneira_	nice
2019-10-04 14:56:51	fendor	hm, actually it is kind of weird that if it is not generated, right? It is important for configs and such... maybe cabal init should create it?
2019-10-04 14:57:42	mpickering	perhaps it does with cabal-3.0
2019-10-04 14:57:49	mpickering	cabal development is very conservative
2019-10-04 14:58:26	jneira_	i've just ran it with 3.0 and it didn't create it 
2019-10-04 14:59:00	jneira_	> maybe we should add something about implicit configuration
2019-10-04 14:59:08	jneira_	i think it would be useful
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2019-10-04 15:05:54	fendor	jneira_, did you try the hie-bios branch on windows? did it work?
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2019-10-04 15:17:20	jneira_	the test suites are all green but the three cases in :func-test
2019-10-04 15:18:06	jneira_	and i am still testing it manually with vscode
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2019-10-04 15:19:57	jneira_	but it looks good :-D
2019-10-04 15:20:26	fendor	debugging liquid test-cases is pretty annoying. Liquid does not seem to do anything, right? Did you try executing liquid manually on the test-file, Evens.hs?
2019-10-04 15:20:34	fendor	very glad to hear this :D 
2019-10-04 15:25:49	jneira_	i think liquid fails could be temporary, i had to kill the hie process when running the tes suite
2019-10-04 15:26:19	jneira_	in fact the liquid tests of :unit-test worked and the run `liquid` as well, no?
2019-10-04 15:26:27	jneira_	*they
2019-10-04 15:28:17	jneira_	i will comment in the pr when i have a clean :func-test run (or if it hangs consistently)
2019-10-04 15:32:28	jneira_	`/FunctionalCodeActions/code actions/typed hole code actions/works/`failed test has more possibilities to be a bug
2019-10-04 15:33:52	jneira_	(sorry, i am assuming you have readed https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1126#issuecomment-538227854)
2019-10-04 15:38:57	fendor	jneira_, yeah, maybe. weird. but it is almost identical...
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2019-10-04 16:54:08	mpickering	fendor: Why does hlogger depend on network?
2019-10-04 16:54:51	fendor	mpickering, no clue, but it does: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/hslogger 
2019-10-04 16:55:30	fendor	also, fun-fact hslogger is bsd licensed
2019-10-04 16:56:35	mpickering	probably ghcide and h-i-e already depend on all these dependencies
2019-10-04 16:56:39	mpickering	so just add it
2019-10-04 16:56:44	mpickering	and we can remove it later if someone complains
2019-10-04 16:56:58	fendor	alright.
2019-10-04 16:57:15	fendor	hie does definitely have these deps, but I wasnt sure about ghcide
2019-10-04 16:58:03	cocreature	I’m fine with those deps on ghcide
2019-10-04 16:58:21	fendor	great, then I will add it as a dep
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2019-10-04 22:19:20	fendor	cabal-helper stuff does not work out-of-the-box for h-i-e...
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2019-10-04 22:27:47	mpickering	fendor: What's the issue?
2019-10-04 22:28:08	fendor	well, cabal-helper crashes
2019-10-04 22:28:33	fendor	https://gist.github.com/fendor/24d0e431947f28cd444e647854fae1f9
2019-10-04 22:29:01	fendor	it works on a very simple test-project
2019-10-04 22:29:16	mpickering	isn't that just a build error?
2019-10-04 22:29:47	mpickering	looks like just a normal compile here hehe
2019-10-04 22:29:50	fendor	yeah, but it should not fail to build
2019-10-04 22:29:51	mpickering	*error
2019-10-04 22:30:15	mpickering	why is it building so much stuff?
2019-10-04 22:30:30	fendor	i suppose different compile-flags?
2019-10-04 22:30:39	fendor	there is also the warning about missing home modules
2019-10-04 22:30:52	mpickering	It looks to me like it's running a command in the wrong directory or something
2019-10-04 22:31:04	fendor	yeah, probably
2019-10-04 22:31:25	fendor	the command that fails is: cabal new-build --project-file=/home/baldr/Documents/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/cabal.project exe:ghc-hare
2019-10-04 22:31:26	mpickering	Which branch is this?
2019-10-04 22:33:14	fendor	sorry, wait a second
2019-10-04 22:33:45	fendor	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/26
2019-10-04 22:34:13	fendor	interesting changes are done to the file Cradle.hs
2019-10-04 22:34:20	fendor	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/ed9bf881ffe9c7ab7db42afc6c12b6fde3133cf1/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Cradle.hs
2019-10-04 22:34:31	fendor	it contains the implementation from c-h-h
2019-10-04 22:34:35	mpickering	I really need a command to test start up without having to configure an editor as I broke remote vscode 
2019-10-04 22:34:46	mpickering	might be forced to implement that first
2019-10-04 22:35:32	fendor	oh my
2019-10-04 22:35:56	fendor	yeah, that would make sense
2019-10-04 22:36:07	fendor	probably increase performance, too
2019-10-04 22:38:29	infinisil	mpickering: Nix could do that!
2019-10-04 22:39:40	mpickering	infinisil: Nix could break remote vscode? yes that's exactly what happened
2019-10-04 22:39:58	infinisil	Hah
2019-10-04 22:40:01	mpickering	I'm building your branch fendor 
2019-10-04 22:40:08	mpickering	fixing remote vscode is not that painful so I will do that
2019-10-04 22:41:14	fendor	nix is stable since I stopped updating
2019-10-04 22:43:51	mpickering	the problem was I updated vscode on my mac
2019-10-04 22:44:03	mpickering	You have to do this every time - https://discourse.nixos.org/t/vscode-remote-development-on-nixos/3119/14
2019-10-04 22:49:31	pikajude	eww
2019-10-04 22:49:44	mpickering	fendor: 
2019-10-04 22:49:49	mpickering	If you just run the command normally it fails..
2019-10-04 22:50:05	mpickering	`cabal new-build exe:ghc-hare`
2019-10-04 22:50:10	fendor	you mean cabal new-build ... exe:hare?
2019-10-04 22:50:14	mpickering	yeah
2019-10-04 22:50:19	fendor	i dont even know why it builds that executable
2019-10-04 22:50:23	fendor	why should it?
2019-10-04 22:50:31	mpickering	well, I have no idea
2019-10-04 22:50:40	mpickering	that's the cabal-helper way of life it seems
2019-10-04 22:51:09	fendor	well, it works on trivial projects, but not on hie. 
2019-10-04 22:51:51	fendor	good enough? i dont know
2019-10-04 22:53:30	mpickering	it doesn't work on h-i-e because exe:ghc-hare doesn't built..
2019-10-04 22:53:42	mpickering	I'm not about to dive into the code to work it out
2019-10-04 22:53:59	fendor	neither
2019-10-04 22:54:17	mpickering	but if you fix app/MainHaRe.exe then it will probably work
2019-10-04 22:54:51	fendor	ill try
2019-10-04 23:12:37	mpickering	the implementation looks sensible to me
2019-10-04 23:12:45	mpickering	it's unclear why it wants to build so much stuff though
2019-10-04 23:13:15	fendor	mpickering, ok, i stopped to bother with hie, but on hie-bios, it works
2019-10-04 23:17:46	mpickering	so where does that leave us fendor ?
2019-10-04 23:20:16	fendor	lets focus on the other stuff first.
2019-10-04 23:20:26	fendor	there is still a lot to tidy up
2019-10-04 23:21:40	fendor	logging needs to land, removing the "delete cache"-line and documentation.
2019-10-04 23:21:53	fendor	also, what about the CPP stuff? can we fix that somehow sensibly?
2019-10-04 23:24:00	mpickering	I am removing the delete cache line now
2019-10-04 23:24:08	mpickering	I think we just need to catch errors
2019-10-04 23:24:15	fendor	in hie-bios or hie?
2019-10-04 23:24:33	mpickering	Well... 
2019-10-04 23:24:40	mpickering	What do you think?
2019-10-04 23:24:52	mpickering	Perhaps we just catch it as high as possible, which would be in h-i-e
2019-10-04 23:25:01	mpickering	I think the handling functions are already defined in h-i-e
2019-10-04 23:25:16	mpickering	GHC should catch it when it invokes gcc though imo
2019-10-04 23:25:56	fendor	yeah, i think so too, that ghc should catch it. However, in hie is fine
2019-10-04 23:27:50	mpickering	then I look into the logging PRs?
2019-10-04 23:28:11	fendor	yeah, i just updated it to require the hslogger pr
2019-10-04 23:28:17	fendor	*dep
2019-10-04 23:36:08	fendor	after, letting it c-h-h run for some time, now it works on hie...
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2019-10-05 00:05:50	mpickering	So I also need to merge the multi-cradle
2019-10-05 00:07:52	fendor	or, we can use the logging pr temporarily as the submodule?
2019-10-05 00:08:54	mpickering	I don't understand this PR https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/62
2019-10-05 00:09:56	fendor	the purpose is to retrieve the cradleconfig, instead of just the cradle
2019-10-05 00:10:19	fendor	including implicit configuration discovery
2019-10-05 00:10:25	fendor	which currently, is not accessible
2019-10-05 00:10:50	fendor	however, i dislike the changed api, but have a hard time to explain why
2019-10-05 00:11:13	mpickering	ok the goal makes sense
2019-10-05 00:12:06	fendor	I think it is hard to unify it with the current separation of implicit and explicit configuration
2019-10-05 00:12:39	fendor	because now, it is possible, to retrieve the hie.yaml to some filepath, but if you try to load the cradle for it and something deletes hie.yaml in that time, it silently uses an implicit cradle
2019-10-05 00:13:42	mpickering	I suppose that could happen
2019-10-05 00:13:49	mpickering	I have lost track a bit of what the API of this part is
2019-10-05 00:15:54	fendor	it is actually very simple
2019-10-05 00:16:50	fendor	just 3 functions, findCradle, which gives you for a file a hie.yaml (FilePath -> IO (Maybe FilePath)), loadCradle, which loads a cradle given a hie.yaml and loadImplicitCradle, which loads a cradle given a filepath based on the implicit discovery mechanism 
2019-10-05 00:17:55	fendor	#62 wants to merge loadCradle and loadImplicitCradle again and use a common cradleConfig discovery function which will be exposed 
2019-10-05 00:18:07	mpickering	ok I think I am confused that `findCradle` is called `findCradle`
2019-10-05 00:18:35	mpickering	Why does `findCradle` not return a `CradleConfig`?
2019-10-05 00:18:46	mpickering	or `(FilePath, CradleConfig)
2019-10-05 00:18:49	fendor	because ndmitchell needs the hie.yaml for caching
2019-10-05 00:19:36	fendor	yeah, that sounds better. And a `implicitConfig :: IO CradleConfig` ?
2019-10-05 00:19:48	fendor	*String -> IO CradleConfig
2019-10-05 00:21:08	mpickering	or `findCradle` could return `(Maybe FilePath, CradleConfig)`
2019-10-05 00:21:15	mpickering	would that help anyone?
2019-10-05 00:22:04	fendor	sounds reasonable. hopefully it helps the author, I dont have a need for it
2019-10-05 00:22:28	mpickering	`cradleConfig :: FilePath -> IO (Maybe (CradleConfig, FilePath))`
2019-10-05 00:22:33	mpickering	That's actually what he implements
2019-10-05 00:23:37	fendor	not quite, i think
2019-10-05 00:24:02	mpickering	that is literally the type of the function
2019-10-05 00:24:03	mpickering	I copied it
2019-10-05 00:24:21	fendor	yeah, but it is not the signature you propose
2019-10-05 00:24:29	fendor	*proposed
2019-10-05 00:25:11	fendor	and now it is unknown where this config comes from, implicit or explicit configuration?
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2019-10-05 00:30:35	mpickering	ok I commented
2019-10-05 00:33:51	fendor	thank you. 
2019-10-05 00:34:23	fendor	i will update the logging branch of hie to include the changes and make biosVerbose enable the debug logging
2019-10-05 00:40:03	mpickering	fendor: Can you review the multi cradle patch please?
2019-10-05 00:40:10	mpickering	I want to merge it
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2019-10-05 06:17:15	dxld	mpickering: about that c-h thing above
2019-10-05 06:19:27	dxld	two factors: 1) you're using wz1000's 4 month old c-h submodule/fork probably which doesn't have --only-configure support yet
2019-10-05 06:19:52	dxld	 and 2) because of hie-bios's architecture cabal-helper-helper has to query all units at once rather than one unit at a time which is how the api is supposed to be used for IDE tooling
2019-10-05 06:20:35	dxld	naturally this gives you the downsides you're observing, now the whole project has to build if you want to do anything
2019-10-05 06:21:07	dxld	if 1) is fixed at least only cabal configure has to work for all components but IMO this is still pretty terrible
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2019-10-05 12:51:37	mpickering	dxld: you need to do a release so we're not so confused!
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2019-10-05 16:45:45	dxld	mpickering: yeah, I know. I just have one more feature to implement (cabal preprocessing) then we're go for that
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2019-10-06 05:36:19	lukelau	dxld: small PR for c-h master https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/pull/80
2019-10-06 05:40:25	dxld	lukelau: god damn, I guess I really should merge it
2019-10-06 05:40:37	dxld	you're the second person to send the exact same patch :) https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/pull/79/files
2019-10-06 05:40:47	lukelau	Ah goddamnit
2019-10-06 05:41:07	lukelau	alanz keeps on beating me to my own patches on lsp-test too
2019-10-06 05:41:08	dxld	I would have already merged that
2019-10-06 05:41:17	lukelau	lol
2019-10-06 05:41:23	dxld	but cabal-install bootstrapping is currently broken with 8.8 so I can't build my CI images
2019-10-06 05:41:24	lukelau	welp better too many PRs than too little
2019-10-06 05:41:29	lukelau	So I’ve noticed
2019-10-06 05:41:43	lukelau	Getting some funky errors with the test-suite
2019-10-06 05:41:49	dxld	I think hackage-security is the last package blocking that
2019-10-06 05:42:00	dxld	probably should poke hvr or someone to get that revised
2019-10-06 05:42:11	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/bubba/eed2e6e2d75cda01001b9f7783326ddc
2019-10-06 05:42:11	dxld	which test suite?
2019-10-06 05:42:15	lukelau	if this is of any use to you
2019-10-06 05:42:15	dxld	c-h's?
2019-10-06 05:42:17	lukelau	compile-test
2019-10-06 05:42:20	lukelau	yeah c-hs
2019-10-06 05:42:29	dxld	hmmmm
2019-10-06 05:45:21	dxld	looks like h-s git builds with 8.8 fine
2019-10-06 05:46:50	lukelau	time to send a ping
2019-10-06 05:47:08	lukelau	poor hvr probably spends all day revising packages coming around new ghc releases
2019-10-06 05:47:10	lukelau	lol
2019-10-06 05:47:13	dxld	0.5.3 also builds with 8.8
2019-10-06 05:47:16	dxld	so they can just revise it
2019-10-06 05:47:30	dxld	have you seen him complain on the ghc ml?
2019-10-06 05:47:39	lukelau	no
2019-10-06 05:47:46	lukelau	when was this? I’m not subscribed
2019-10-06 05:48:08	dxld	oh he does complain, and I agree, about the release frequency being too high for the ecosystem to handle
2019-10-06 05:48:49	dxld	no idea, let me see if I can find it
2019-10-06 05:51:30	dxld	ah I can't find it
2019-10-06 05:51:50	dxld	I also don't remember exactly which ML it was on
2019-10-06 05:52:12	lukelau	Point taken though haha
2019-10-06 05:52:50	dxld	but yeah, by the time they are thinking about releasing another ghc the old one can't even build cabal
2019-10-06 05:52:57	dxld	let alone more complex packages :)
2019-10-06 05:53:00	lukelau	I wonder are there actually any breaking changes between versions of base
2019-10-06 05:53:09	dxld	yeah
2019-10-06 05:53:23	lukelau	Or is it just to distinguish GHC versions
2019-10-06 05:53:25	dxld	they have to bump mostly because of instance changes
2019-10-06 05:53:48	dxld	because those can theoretically break a lot of things
2019-10-06 05:53:55	dxld	(but in practive never seem to)
2019-10-06 05:54:11	lukelau	Hm i guess the monadfail sruff changed quite a lot
2019-10-06 05:54:15	dxld	so it's a PVP thing I guess
2019-10-06 05:54:38	dxld	the way things are supposed to work is you bulk bump things that still build and work with the new ghc
2019-10-06 05:54:43	dxld	in an automated fashion
2019-10-06 05:54:50	dxld	that's what the matrix builder stuff is for
2019-10-06 05:55:09	lukelau	But does it automatically do any bumping?
2019-10-06 05:56:33	lukelau	And the matrix builder only tests that stuff builds. Having the package work correctly is another thing
2019-10-06 05:57:01	dxld	I'm not sure about that
2019-10-06 05:58:52	dxld	I think the whole point of PVP is just to communicate about build problems
2019-10-06 05:59:06	dxld	if you change behaviour maybe that would just be considered a bug instead
2019-10-06 05:59:35	dxld	and really you ought to bump the super-major version say something in the changelog in that case
2019-10-06 05:59:50	lukelau	I thought the super-major version is more of a vanity thing?
2019-10-06 05:59:57	lukelau	Like to prevent you from releasing a package called foo-2 on hackage
2019-10-06 06:00:11	dxld	but yeah, I suppose ideally packages would have 100% test coverage and the matrix builder can actually run the tests
2019-10-06 06:00:25	lukelau	in an ideal world :(
2019-10-06 06:00:31	lukelau	either way letting humans manually decide version numbers was a bad idea
2019-10-06 06:00:43	dxld	haha, yeah
2019-10-06 06:00:53	lukelau	and accepting packages that don’t build in the first place
2019-10-06 06:01:04	lukelau	the matrix builder is cool but my main gripe is that it doesnt’ run on preview packages
2019-10-06 06:01:05	dxld	I still think it ought to be "super easy" to build a tool that just tells you which number you need to bump
2019-10-06 06:01:13	lukelau	you can only see the result once its publushed
2019-10-06 06:01:34	dxld	well you're supposed to CI your stuff..
2019-10-06 06:01:37	lukelau	that was an idea for one of the Gsoc projects I applied for, with the swift foundation
2019-10-06 06:01:45	lukelau	*org
2019-10-06 06:02:00	lukelau	it would mechanically check the api diff and spit out a new semver
2019-10-06 06:02:04	dxld	you can always use hvr's ghc binaries which go back to ghc 7.0 or something if you want to reproduce the env
2019-10-06 06:02:15	lukelau	yeah
2019-10-06 06:02:19	dxld	and?
2019-10-06 06:02:21	dxld	did it work?
2019-10-06 06:02:37	lukelau	No, I ended up doing my gsoc project with haskell :)
2019-10-06 06:02:47	dxld	ahh
2019-10-06 06:02:51	dxld	much better anyways
2019-10-06 06:02:54	lukelau	indeed
2019-10-06 06:02:57	dxld	screw swift :P
2019-10-06 06:03:00	lukelau	but I’m thinking that would be a good weekend/week/hackathon project to work on
2019-10-06 06:03:05	lukelau	for haskell ofc
2019-10-06 06:03:17	lukelau	Could plug it into CI
2019-10-06 06:03:38	dxld	there is probably some stupid thing somewhere that prevents it from being possible
2019-10-06 06:03:53	dxld	I've talked to hvr about it I think and iirc he said something to that effect
2019-10-06 06:04:03	dxld	it's harder than you'd think
2019-10-06 06:04:04	lukelau	do hi files contain enough info?
2019-10-06 06:04:18	dxld	that's the question
2019-10-06 06:04:33	lukelau	probably would want to do it at the source level anyway
2019-10-06 06:04:37	dxld	if you have to rebuild eveything with a ghc plugin it still would be fesible, just super annoying
2019-10-06 06:04:54	lukelau	anyway thats an idea for another day
2019-10-06 06:05:01	dxld	though if you just add that plugin for everything in CI it might not be so bad
2019-10-06 06:05:27	lukelau	by CI do you mean the matrix builder?
2019-10-06 06:05:41	dxld	no I mean the project's CI system
2019-10-06 06:05:45	lukelau	oh
2019-10-06 06:05:53	lukelau	Ultimately I would like to see hackage just outright reject packages that break PVP
2019-10-06 06:06:03	dxld	at the matrix builder stage it's too late for the "correct bump" to be noticed ;)
2019-10-06 06:06:09	lukelau	I’m guilty of doing that crime by accident all the damn time
2019-10-06 06:06:34	lukelau	Yeah, another reason to run it on the preview packages 😛 
2019-10-06 06:06:45	dxld	what I'm kind of missing is detailed documentation why PVP is the way it is
2019-10-06 06:07:10	dxld	I think a lot of people (me included in various states of mind) don't really understand why it's so important and so they don't bother
2019-10-06 06:07:41	dxld	oh the pvp page has some examples now
2019-10-06 06:07:52	lukelau	its basically semver
2019-10-06 06:08:02	lukelau	but without the dumb 0.x is allowed to be anything
2019-10-06 06:08:07	dxld	oh and the thing that nobody actually does: explicit imports
2019-10-06 06:08:20	dxld	without that you might as well not bother with pvp ;)
2019-10-06 06:08:30	dxld	that's another thing where tooling can easily help
2019-10-06 06:08:58	dxld	well yeah, but I mean the typeclass considerations
2019-10-06 06:09:01	lukelau	wait so does additive API, e.g. exporting a new binding, need a major bump or a minor bump?
2019-10-06 06:09:15	dxld	those are pretty nasty in terms of when you can do a minor bump and when you have to do a major
2019-10-06 06:09:53	dxld	the thing is when people don't use explicit or qualified imports you can get ambiguous usage errors
2019-10-06 06:10:08	dxld	which obviously break the build as much as any other PVP relevant change
2019-10-06 06:10:44	dxld	the difference is that you can only really prevent that in your own package by using proper imports
2019-10-06 06:10:56	lukelau	so really PVP doesn’t guarantee compatibility completely
2019-10-06 06:11:01	dxld	you can't expect two unrelated packages to coordinate the names of their functions after all
2019-10-06 06:11:02	lukelau	but i guess its good enough
2019-10-06 06:11:15	dxld	it guarantees it if you follow it :P
2019-10-06 06:12:01	dxld	but that means downstream packages have to import everything either qualified with a unique per package prefix or explicitily so no minor bump of a package can introduce new clashing binders
2019-10-06 06:12:11	lukelau	yup
2019-10-06 06:12:15	lukelau	so not very practical
2019-10-06 06:12:20	lukelau	haskell is so nice and terse
2019-10-06 06:12:29	lukelau	but qualified imports just undo all that
2019-10-06 06:12:30	dxld	I dunno, I like explicit exports when they're there
2019-10-06 06:12:39	dxld	just hate writing them to begin with
2019-10-06 06:12:48	dxld	so if my editor did that *shrug*
2019-10-06 06:12:53	lukelau	lol
2019-10-06 06:13:01	lukelau	fair enough
2019-10-06 06:13:07	lukelau	anyway i need to hit the hay
2019-10-06 06:13:15	dxld	I just got up :)
2019-10-06 06:13:23	lukelau	aren’t you in GMT+2?
2019-10-06 06:13:56	dxld	in theory yes, but my sleep cycle says otherwise
2019-10-06 06:14:04	lukelau	ahahaha
2019-10-06 06:14:23	lukelau	anyway, night!
2019-10-06 06:14:27	lukelau	let me know if h-s gets bumped
2019-10-06 06:14:31	dxld	I'm GMT+12sin(x)
2019-10-06 06:15:05	dxld	sure
2019-10-06 06:15:09	dxld	night :)
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2019-10-06 08:46:19	pikajude	this happens very frequently in my project: https://gist.github.com/pikajude/8f1d2b3446166dcae28bd6ab199ebb86
2019-10-06 08:46:24	pikajude	what's the best way to debug it?
2019-10-06 10:45:39	dxld	pikajude: my default guess with that sort of .hi file stuff is always a GHC version mismatch between the project and hie
2019-10-06 10:45:54	dxld	but my heuristics are probably outdated :)
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2019-10-06 17:55:45	mpickering	fendor: I'm not sure where the right place is
2019-10-06 17:56:15	fendor	For catching the exception? 
2019-10-06 17:56:49	fendor	Since we do have an error type, I think it would be good to catch it in hie-bios and wrap it in a CradleFail
2019-10-06 17:56:51	mpickering	yeah
2019-10-06 17:57:18	mpickering	GHC must already implement these error handlers
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2019-10-06 17:58:02	fendor	you mean, this error handling ought to be upstreamed, or this exception should not occur?
2019-10-06 17:58:48	mpickering	no I mean that GHC must already catch these exceptions
2019-10-06 17:58:54	mpickering	but at a higher point
2019-10-06 17:59:04	mpickering	so there will already be a function defined in GHC which can be used to catch it
2019-10-06 18:01:03	mpickering	or perhaps there isn't
2019-10-06 18:01:09	mpickering	it's all quite annoying
2019-10-06 18:02:30	fendor	why is it annoying?
2019-10-06 18:03:06	mpickering	because we have to catch exceptions just to deal with this bug in ghc
2019-10-06 18:03:35	fendor	yeah, true, that is annoying
2019-10-06 18:16:43	mpickering	at least add a comment explaining why GHC is throwing exceptions still
2019-10-06 18:26:09	fendor	sure! in hie-bios now, or hie?
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2019-10-06 21:27:34	mpickering	I'm not sure of the sensible place
2019-10-06 21:27:47	mpickering	somewhere it works and isn't too ugly haha
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2019-10-06 21:49:46	fendor	but there is currently no way to turn this into diagnostics, right?
2019-10-06 21:59:46	mpickering	You seem to say there's not
2019-10-06 21:59:49	mpickering	but I don't really understand why not
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2019-10-06 22:07:24	freeman42x	any suggestions on how to get this to work? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1404
2019-10-06 22:07:50	fendor	I am probably overlooking something... we could change the sig of runActionWithContext to return a list of diagnostics?
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2019-10-06 22:25:23	fendor_	mpickering, would it be ok to loosen the hslogger dep in hie-bios to >= 1.2 && < 1.4 ? Then we dont have to add extra-deps for every stack build below ghc 8.6, which may speed up build-times because hslogger coud already be built and cached
2019-10-06 22:25:32	mpickering	yeah sure
2019-10-06 22:26:09	mpickering	freeman42x: Do you have to use ghcjs to compile the project?
2019-10-06 22:26:36	mpickering	it just looks like the versions are mismatched
2019-10-06 22:33:48	freeman42x	mpickering, yeah, I need GHCJS ofc.
2019-10-06 22:33:57	freeman42x	mpickering, versions of what and what are mismatched?
2019-10-06 22:34:09	mpickering	so you are trying to load a project built with ghcjs into ghc, it's not going to work is it?
2019-10-06 22:34:30	freeman42x	mpickering, building the project and running it using Nix works great
2019-10-06 22:34:42	freeman42x	mpickering, the only problem is HIE... it does not work, throws that error above
2019-10-06 22:35:13	mpickering	You have built HIE with ghc-8.6.5 and then are building your project with ghcjs-8.6.5 right?
2019-10-06 22:35:28	mpickering	two different compilers
2019-10-06 22:35:58	freeman42x	mpickering, I am using HIE via: https://github.com/Infinisil/all-hies
2019-10-06 22:36:08	freeman42x	so I just specified I wanted HIE 865, dunno how it got it
2019-10-06 22:36:19	freeman42x	GHCJS version is 862
2019-10-06 22:36:41	mpickering	I'm first trying to understand why you are expecting it to work
2019-10-06 22:36:59	mpickering	because it just sounds like you are trying to mix two different versions which has no chance of working
2019-10-06 22:37:49	freeman42x	mpickering, did you notice that above I said that it builds and works fine?
2019-10-06 22:38:10	mpickering	you said your project builds fine
2019-10-06 22:38:14	freeman42x	yes
2019-10-06 22:38:20	mpickering	which is not what I'm trying to explain
2019-10-06 22:38:26	freeman42x	I know
2019-10-06 22:39:15	cocreature	your best chance of getting any kind of tooling (ghci, hie, …) to work on ghcjs projects is to make them compile with ghc via jsaddle
2019-10-06 22:40:55	freeman42x	cocreature, is there any tutorial, etc. on how to achieve that?
2019-10-06 22:41:54	mpickering	Does `cabal repl` work? 
2019-10-06 22:42:07	mpickering	(with ghc-8.6.5`
2019-10-06 22:42:38	freeman42x	mpickering, cabal repl fails with the GHCJS can not do interactive something
2019-10-06 22:45:10	cocreature	not sure there is a good tutorial, jsaddle has a readme that explains a fair amount and at least reflex and miso support jsaddle via cabal flags or something like that
2019-10-06 22:45:19	mpickering	If `cabal repl` doesn't work with `ghc-8.6.5` then tooling won't work for your project
2019-10-06 22:45:52	freeman42x	mpickering, cabal repl will NEVER work with GHCJS from what I understood because they removed it at some point
2019-10-06 22:46:05	freeman42x	the interactive mode of GHCJS I mean, and REPL needed that
2019-10-06 22:46:18	mpickering	I said `ghc`, not `ghcjs`
2019-10-06 22:46:27	freeman42x	mpickering, ah! nvm then
2019-10-06 22:46:45	freeman42x	mpickering, cabal repl ofc will work if the only thing required for the project to build is GHC...
2019-10-06 22:46:59	freeman42x	but the project I am talking about requires GHCJS also, so cabal repl does not work
2019-10-06 22:47:09	mpickering	so therefore.. it won't work with h-i-e
2019-10-06 22:47:21	mpickering	so you need to do what cocreature suggested and use jsaddle so it will work with normal ghc
2019-10-06 22:47:48	freeman42x	mpickering, ok, I will have a look at that. It's not clera to me yet how or what that does...
2019-10-06 22:48:01	freeman42x	*clear
2019-10-06 22:48:15	fendor_	mpickering, is it ok to merge this? https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/70/files
2019-10-06 22:49:59	mpickering	yes, if it works :)
2019-10-06 22:50:37	fendor_	CI is happy, so hopefully! 
2019-10-06 22:52:22	cocreature	making CI happy is all you can really hope to achieve in life as a programmer :)
2019-10-06 22:53:31	mpickering	Is there anything that I should look into this evening?
2019-10-06 22:54:00	mpickering	I am feeling like merging the multi-cradle branch.. unless cocreature objects
2019-10-06 22:54:48	fendor_	would be nice if https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/19 is mergeable
2019-10-06 22:55:12	mpickering	So you want me to add the exception catching?
2019-10-06 22:55:28	fendor_	you dont have to, I can do it, too, just not both of us
2019-10-06 22:55:39	mpickering	yeah I can do that
2019-10-06 22:56:14	freeman42x	cocreature, I read the jsaddle readme but did not understand how to use it to solve the HIE issue
2019-10-06 22:56:45	fendor_	ok, great! I am gonna experiment with writing tests for CPP, smoke testing cabal-helper a bit, and merging logging
2019-10-06 22:57:33	fendor_	and unbreak the build for ghc-8.2.2
2019-10-06 22:57:47	mpickering	We need to work out the proper way to report diagnostics about a failed cradle
2019-10-06 22:58:05	mpickering	Didn't we already talk about providing a callback which could be invoked to send an LSP message?
2019-10-06 22:58:45	fendor_	mpickering, yes, kind of. But I am unsure how to do it properly. Haskell-lsp stuff is kind of complex
2019-10-06 22:58:54	mpickering	ok so should I look at that as well?
2019-10-06 22:59:32	fendor_	if you have time, would be great! otherwise I will get started on it tomorrow
2019-10-06 22:59:50	mpickering	Do you think this way of displaying the full cost centre stack is pleasing? http://mpickering.github.io//ghc-cost.html
2019-10-06 22:59:56	mpickering	(completely unrelated)
2019-10-06 23:00:10	mpickering	I'm not sure if the scroll bars are too ugly 
2019-10-06 23:00:13	mpickering	or whether it's functional enough
2019-10-06 23:01:13	fendor_	the scrollbars are weird, indeed. 
2019-10-06 23:01:58	fendor_	i feel like, there is not enough space between the texts
2019-10-06 23:02:16	fendor_	i mean in the detailed band descriptions
2019-10-06 23:02:41	fendor_	also, there ought to be space between the label and description
2019-10-06 23:03:04	fendor_	simplTopBinds-simplRecBndrs overlaps into the other area
2019-10-06 23:03:34	mpickering	I don't think it does overla
2019-10-06 23:03:45	mpickering	You mean vertical space?
2019-10-06 23:04:12	mpickering	oh you mean adding some right padding to each cell
2019-10-06 23:04:12	mpickering	ok
2019-10-06 23:04:20	fendor_	yes, vertical space between the details
2019-10-06 23:04:52	mpickering	The call stacks are quite big so there's quite a bit of information to display
2019-10-06 23:05:10	mpickering	perhaps if there was just a number of something and you could hover over it to see more info
2019-10-06 23:05:34	mpickering	or even crazier, print out a tree of all the call graph
2019-10-06 23:05:41	mpickering	and highlight the path down it if you hover on a leaf
2019-10-06 23:06:58	fendor_	on hover is probably not a great idea for core information
2019-10-06 23:08:09	fendor_	also, this is what i meant, where the label and the details have no visual separation: https://ibb.co/ZWbxm3v
2019-10-06 23:09:03	mpickering	yes I got that bit
2019-10-06 23:09:09	mpickering	but I'm trying to think of other ways to fix this mess
2019-10-06 23:09:12	mpickering	http://bl.ocks.org/d3noob/8375092
2019-10-06 23:09:45	freeman42x	cocreature, this is the closest I found about how to use jsaddle: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/miso-0.21.2.0/miso.cabal
2019-10-06 23:09:54	freeman42x	search for `Compile with JSaddle`
2019-10-06 23:10:01	freeman42x	and I still do not understand what that will do
2019-10-06 23:10:14	fendor_	oh that looks really cool
2019-10-06 23:10:49	mpickering	or https://vega.github.io/vega/examples/tree-layout/
2019-10-06 23:12:41	cocreature	mpickering: I’m not opposed to merging it now especially since it doesn’t seem to change the behavior of existing cradles but I expect that we’ll probably need some changes for this to work for ghcide. in particular, I imagine that we will probably want a way to enumerate all components so we can setup a single package env
2019-10-06 23:13:16	mpickering	that doesn't seem necessary to do up front
2019-10-06 23:13:20	mpickering	you can incrementally add packages
2019-10-06 23:13:27	mpickering	*such as GHCi does)
2019-10-06 23:14:07	cocreature	you can but I’m not quite sure how we would fit this nicely into ghcide
2019-10-06 23:14:37	fendor_	the d3.js is interactive while the latter isnt, right?
2019-10-06 23:15:11	mpickering	yeah
2019-10-06 23:15:51	mpickering	cocreature: I won't do a release imminently after I merge
2019-10-06 23:16:32	fendor_	interactive sounds nicer if there is a use-case for it. And I assume there is, e.g. to prune the tree to only show stuff someone is actually interested in
2019-10-06 23:16:52	mpickering	Perhaps another nice way `hie-bios` could interact with build tools is that instead of just spitting back the options, the build tool could print out a config file which is then parsed and used instead
2019-10-06 23:17:38	mpickering	I could make the second one interactive, it would be maybe easier to integrate with what we have now
2019-10-06 23:17:50	mpickering	but it uses the low level vega libray rather than the high level vega-lite library
2019-10-06 23:18:22	cocreature	given that this doesn’t seem to break things for the non-multi component case I don’t mind a release. I don’t think we can nail this done exactly before someone starts trying to implement this in ghcide and I can’t make promises atm as to when I’ll find the time to do that so I definitely don’t want to hold back hie-bios until then.
2019-10-06 23:18:39	mpickering	ok thanks
2019-10-06 23:20:43	fendor_	I dont know either of the libs. But both visualisations look nice
2019-10-06 23:24:11	fendor_	I feel like on the website, there should be some whitespace under the last description, so the last item is not at the very bottom of the screen
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2019-10-06 23:47:53	fendor_	in hie-bios can we have even more reports about compilation reports on project initialisation?
2019-10-06 23:48:12	mpickering	for example?
2019-10-06 23:49:42	fendor	on the first load of hie, we probably have to build all dependencies once, right? 
2019-10-06 23:50:13	mpickering	yes, if they are not already built
2019-10-06 23:50:27	fendor	this takes potentially a very long time and the only thing that shows the user that hie does not hang is the little "initialising cradle" message in vscode
2019-10-06 23:50:45	mpickering	yes
2019-10-06 23:50:47	fendor	maybe there could be a bit more logging what exactly is currently happening?
2019-10-06 23:51:12	mpickering	you can direct the `stdout` of the invoked process to another handle which logs what happens
2019-10-06 23:51:25	mpickering	but the problem is we invoke cabal with `-v0`
2019-10-06 23:51:45	mpickering	because in the end we parse the stdout to get the args
2019-10-06 23:51:50	fendor	mhm, i see
2019-10-06 23:52:44	fendor	and these logs are also printed to stdout?
2019-10-06 23:52:54	mpickering	perhaps we don't need to pass `-v0`
2019-10-06 23:53:00	mpickering	and could just look at the last two lines of `stdout`
2019-10-06 23:53:23	fendor	that sounds risky
2019-10-06 23:53:54	fendor	also, I would be mainly interested in updates on which package is currently being built
2019-10-06 23:54:32	mpickering	perhaps we can invoke `cabal v2-repl` twice
2019-10-06 23:54:43	mpickering	that will be slower of course
2019-10-06 23:54:53	mpickering	first time you don't pass `-v0`
2019-10-06 23:55:18	fendor	how much slower? iirc there is even a flag `--only-dependencies` so that would fit
2019-10-06 23:56:25	mpickering	between 0-10s
2019-10-06 23:56:36	mpickering	toggling `-w` is not that fast
2019-10-06 23:57:12	fendor	alright, that is a major blow, especially when there is almost nothing to load
2019-10-06 23:58:49	mpickering	Here's what you could do
2019-10-06 23:59:15	mpickering	make the wrapper take a handle/filepath as an argument
2019-10-06 23:59:25	fendor	side note, cabal-helper currently does for a file not load its whole package, but rather only the file and its dependencies. So if you open another file that is not related to the first file, it is treated as another cradle
2019-10-06 23:59:47	mpickering	then instead of echoing to stdout, echo to the handle/filepath 
2019-10-06 23:59:55	mpickering	and redirect the normal cabal stdout to the logger
2019-10-07 00:00:09	mpickering	that sounds pretty annoying
2019-10-07 00:02:01	fendor	such a process sounds a bit unreliable. we would have to parse everything ourselves, right? what if the output changes a bit in different cabal versions?
2019-10-07 00:02:42	mpickering	You don't have to parse anything if you just log it
2019-10-07 00:03:06	fendor	oh, yeah of course. 
2019-10-07 00:03:41	fendor	i was thinking about adding information to the progress bar as well, but that's definitely just too much for now
2019-10-07 00:06:35	fendor	however, the cabal-helper cradle intialisation sounds like an issue to me
2019-10-07 00:07:10	fendor	other than that, it looks pretty alright, though
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2019-10-07 00:12:30	mpickering	fendor: Did you see that there is already an error handler in setTypecheckedModule`?
2019-10-07 00:12:42	mpickering	But you were saying that if you edited and added invalid CPP it would fail?
2019-10-07 00:13:13	mpickering	or is the error just on initialisation?
2019-10-07 00:15:38	fendor	no the error also happens if everything has already been initiliased
2019-10-07 00:15:46	fendor	e.g., I get diagnostics
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2019-10-07 00:17:49	fendor	I think the error slips through . The error message is also different: 
2019-10-07 00:17:52	fendor_	https://gist.github.com/fendor/db2148430b7b0dedb70592179b75cfd6
2019-10-07 00:18:25	mpickering	Hmm cpphs seems to suggest another plugin
2019-10-07 00:18:33	mpickering	such as hlint
2019-10-07 00:18:58	fendor_	oh yeah, that might be possible
2019-10-07 00:19:13	fendor_	but then the error should have occured before...
2019-10-07 00:19:35	mpickering	perhaps I removed some masks from somewhere else
2019-10-07 00:19:48	fendor	indeed, it is exactly the same error message
2019-10-07 00:19:53	fendor	when execute hlint manually
2019-10-07 00:20:09	mpickering	I am trying to reproduce
2019-10-07 00:21:08	fendor	simple project with CPP enabled and an expr like `#if` should be enough to trigger it for hlint
2019-10-07 00:21:28	fendor	i am gonna try to disable hlint and see if the same happens
2019-10-07 00:21:29	mpickering	yeah but I have to configure my editor first
2019-10-07 00:21:43	fendor	since hlint is triggered before other diagnostics
2019-10-07 00:22:56	fendor	ok, after disabling hlint in hie, I get the same error as I have linked in the issue
2019-10-07 00:23:23	mpickering	ghc definitely doesn't call cpphs
2019-10-07 00:23:45	fendor	yeah, the error I linked before is definitely cause by hlint
2019-10-07 00:24:09	mpickering	ok so I can reproduce this
2019-10-07 00:24:24	fendor	but the error in the issue https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/24 is caused by hie-bios and triggers on startup as well as setTypecheckedModule
2019-10-07 00:24:57	fendor	i am curious now, how did hie behave previously if hlint crashed? have to test that now
2019-10-07 00:34:29	mpickering	GHC does rethrow the preprocessor error
2019-10-07 00:36:59	fendor	hie did not handle it more graceful either, similar to what we are doing, they're a showing an error message and mark in the first line of the source file that `cc` failed in phase `C pre-processor`
2019-10-07 00:38:13	mpickering	yeah I think GhcMod used to catch this error and rethrow it
2019-10-07 00:38:51	fendor	and someone caught it again and displayed it
2019-10-07 00:38:56	fendor	we can do roughly the same
2019-10-07 00:39:04	mpickering	yeah the `gcatches` error used to catch GhcMod errors
2019-10-07 00:39:12	mpickering	so I will just make it catch `GhcException`
2019-10-07 00:40:32	mpickering	So how did hie used to display it
2019-10-07 00:44:57	mpickering	It looks like it would have just displayed a little pop-up rather than a Problem
2019-10-07 00:45:43	fendor	I dont exactly know, unfortunately. What I did was: if the result of runActionWithContext returned a IdeResultFail, I invoked the errorHandler on it, which shows the error message in a pop-up
2019-10-07 00:46:12	fendor	old hie definitely did that but also create a dummy diagnostics for the first line of the source which contained the error message
2019-10-07 00:46:25	fendor	I suppose, such that you can accidentally lose the error msg
2019-10-07 00:47:07	fendor	*cant
2019-10-07 00:49:04	mpickering	but the error might not be because of the file you are trying to load?
2019-10-07 00:49:14	mpickering	I suppose it's better than nothing
2019-10-07 00:51:09	fendor	yeah, it is pretty bad. But it seems like it is impossible to get anything better
2019-10-07 00:52:00	fendor	take it back, cabal definitely knows where the error is
2019-10-07 00:52:16	fendor	even ghc.
2019-10-07 00:52:30	fendor	so, somewhere we can probably obtain these information from
2019-10-07 00:52:46	fendor	*we can probably obtain this information from somewhere
2019-10-07 00:57:05	mpickering	I think it's possible to obtain
2019-10-07 00:57:13	mpickering	but I can't be bothered at the moment
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2019-10-07 01:04:36	fendor	that is totally reasonable, we can put it on a todo list. It is not on our critical path for the merge
2019-10-07 01:08:31	mpickering	there is also the problem that if your project doesn't fully load when you start the module graph won't be complete so the cradle caching won't work properly
2019-10-07 01:09:52	mpickering	I think ghcide would handle this properly 
2019-10-07 01:10:00	mpickering	(referring to the CPP issue)
2019-10-07 01:18:50	fendor	hm. Due to the probable case of a merge, is it important to get it completely right if ghcide does it better?
2019-10-07 01:19:56	mpickering	I'm of the opinion no
2019-10-07 01:26:50	mpickering	fendor: Returning `IdeResultFail` doesn't work from the cradle init
2019-10-07 01:26:59	mpickering	because it just causes hie to try to restart itself
2019-10-07 01:30:51	fendor	yes, it is not the correct behviour
2019-10-07 01:31:14	fendor	but better than crashing, i thought
2019-10-07 01:32:25	mpickering	for a cradle failing to load I suppose it is correct
2019-10-07 01:33:16	fendor	yeah, but hie tries to reload the cradle three times, which it should not do
2019-10-07 02:00:54	mpickering	fendor: So what's the ideal API if the cradle load fails?
2019-10-07 02:01:04	mpickering	Is it actually appropiate to return a diagnostics?
2019-10-07 02:02:36	mpickering	I don't think it is
2019-10-07 02:03:35	fendor	I think we somehow have to report errors that occur during project initialisation
2019-10-07 02:03:58	mpickering	they get reported in a popup for me
2019-10-07 02:04:32	fendor	in hie-0.12 or with the handlers?
2019-10-07 02:04:54	mpickering	On the branch I am currently working on
2019-10-07 02:05:49	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/2kvta3dc/
2019-10-07 02:06:33	mpickering	that gets displayed in a pop-up HIE tries to restart itself 5 times
2019-10-07 02:06:47	mpickering	I'm not sure what the point of trying to restart itself right after init is though
2019-10-07 02:07:15	fendor	it is weird, it should not happen imo. Either it crashes or shows a pop up, but if it can show a pop-up it should not crash
2019-10-07 02:07:39	mpickering	hmm?
2019-10-07 02:08:03	mpickering	So if you open a file and your cabal file is borked, what should happen?
2019-10-07 02:08:44	fendor	it should show you three times this pop-up, and not crash
2019-10-07 02:09:15	fendor	and whenever you switch the file, open it again or change anything, hie should try to laod the file again and show you the pop-up again, at least twice
2019-10-07 02:10:39	fendor	imo, but apparently something else happens
2019-10-07 02:10:46	mpickering	that is what happens
2019-10-07 02:11:12	fendor	it should not crash
2019-10-07 02:11:19	mpickering	hie doesn't crash
2019-10-07 02:11:31	mpickering	It tries to load the cradle about 5 times
2019-10-07 02:11:42	mpickering	and then when you open another file it tries again
2019-10-07 02:12:14	fendor	oh yeah, ok now I understand what you meant
2019-10-07 02:12:28	fendor	i was confused, because there is an actual pop message if hie crashed 5 times in the last 3 minutes
2019-10-07 02:13:44	mpickering	Is there a way to just run one test?
2019-10-07 02:14:07	fendor	`cabal v2-run test:func-test -- -m "name of the test"`
2019-10-07 02:14:12	mpickering	actually, this test will still fail won't it
2019-10-07 02:14:19	mpickering	because it will result in IdeFailed
2019-10-07 02:15:29	fendor	the test you linked in the issue? Yes, because we never get diagnostics while the file does not compile, anyways. 
2019-10-07 02:15:46	fendor	we could check somehow whether the "correct" pop-up is shown
2019-10-07 02:15:54	fendor	but I dont know how
2019-10-07 02:15:56	mpickering	That command won't work because it won't bring `hie` onto your path?
2019-10-07 02:16:24	fendor	uhm... possibly. I just installed the hie version under test with cabal v2-install
2019-10-07 02:19:13	mpickering	ok I pushed the patches which add exception handling back to the `local-changes` branch
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2019-10-07 02:20:28	freeman42x	does anyone know how to enable jsaddle so that HIE works? I tried the following and it is not working: https://gist.github.com/razvan-flavius-panda/864f81fd55d59e6331b5c7f7567f175b
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2019-10-07 02:22:17	fendor	mpickering, thanks! i will play around with it tomorrow!
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2019-10-07 05:12:04	lukelau	freeman42x: Hi Razvan! This is Luke from the Dublin meetup, I didn’t notice you there originally in the github issue haha
2019-10-07 05:13:35	freeman42x	lukelau, I actually did notice you haha, small world
2019-10-07 05:14:49	lukelau	I’ve never tried out HIE with ghcjs so unfortunately I can’t help you too much with that particular repo, but I’ll be more than happy to try and check it out on Thursday anyway
2019-10-07 05:17:48	pikajude	i think the whole idea of jsaddle is you *don't* need ghcjs in order to use it
2019-10-07 05:29:07	freeman42x	lukelau, too bad I won't be able to attend though. But I am glad that it gives me more time to do the automation of Haskell editor / IDEs installation
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2019-10-07 15:35:09	jneira_	hi! is it expected for hie-bios branch to not work with multiprojects?
2019-10-07 15:36:05	jneira_	* multi-module projects
2019-10-07 15:36:38	jneira_	* multi package projects... argh
2019-10-07 15:36:50	jneira_	it works in simple stack based projects or cabal ones (if it contains a `cabal.project`) but i have some problems with projects with several packages like dhall-haskell
2019-10-07 15:38:24	jneira_	or do they need that multi cradle pr is merged? 
2019-10-07 15:44:34	fendor	jneira_, how does you hie.yaml look like?
2019-10-07 15:44:45	fendor	*your
2019-10-07 15:48:02	fendor	i have an example somehwere
2019-10-07 15:48:35	fendor	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/hie-bios/README.md#explicit-configuration
2019-10-07 15:48:42	fendor	there is an example for hie multi-cradle
2019-10-07 15:49:06	fendor	with that hie.yaml you can open almost any file in hie and it will produce diagnostics, including tests
2019-10-07 16:20:48	jneira_	i am not using an explicit `hie.yaml`(it would be great that hie will pass auto the config to hie-bios) , but the effect is hie hangs on hover in any term
2019-10-07 16:21:49	jneira_	but not sure 100% that it is caused by to use the hie-bios branch, sorry
2019-10-07 16:22:49	jneira_	i will try an explicit hie-bios config to test if it solves that behaviour
2019-10-07 16:27:52	fendor	jneira_, I can assure you, that this is caused by the hie-bios branch
2019-10-07 16:28:21	fendor	you can try the cabal-helper-helper branch: https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/26
2019-10-07 16:29:22	fendor	while smoke testing, it seems to support multi-component projects just like old hie did. 
2019-10-07 16:33:34	fendor	but we are clearly leaning towards explicit configuration 
2019-10-07 16:42:49	jneira_	mmm but it shouldn't cause hangs or undefined behaviour, at least a warning in the editor would be more beginner friendly imho
2019-10-07 16:43:18	fendor	absolutely!
2019-10-07 16:43:43	fendor	as I said, the behaviour will be different with cabal-helper-helper
2019-10-07 16:44:35	fendor	so if you want to check the behaviour of he implicit cradle, please use this branch, as we intend to merge this
2019-10-07 16:44:49	fendor	i have to go catch a train, will be back in about 2 hours
2019-10-07 16:44:50	jneira_	great, i will give a try
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2019-10-07 20:13:05	mpickering	dxld: I am wondering if the `-ho` mode works correctly
2019-10-07 20:13:25	mpickering	In the EPS profile it seems that memory usage doesn't increase a lot
2019-10-07 20:14:39	mpickering	This is the `eps` root https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/bpHIQvkC/visualization(3).png
2019-10-07 20:14:54	mpickering	Very weird spikes but only very slow overall residency increase
2019-10-07 20:16:04	mpickering	or perhaps the real answer is that the problem isn't in the EPS
2019-10-07 20:16:17	mpickering	There are 150mb of allocations from `:` alone in this program
2019-10-07 20:16:42	mpickering	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/XQVGckGh/visualization(4).png
2019-10-07 20:16:53	mpickering	On this chart it barely makes it to 120M
2019-10-07 20:20:08	mpickering	It also seems that the profile will be not that useful unless the thing you are trying to measure lives inside an IORef
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2019-10-07 21:52:20	fendor	does somebody know where the message in a progress notification comes from?
2019-10-07 21:53:52	mpickering	which one?
2019-10-07 21:54:51	fendor	in the ProgressSpec, there it is checked that the message is `Just "Main"`
2019-10-07 21:54:58	fendor	and I dont know where this message is coming from
2019-10-07 21:55:24	fendor	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/local-changes/test/functional/ProgressSpec.hs#L34
2019-10-07 21:56:15	mpickering	Is that test failing?
2019-10-07 21:56:26	fendor	yeah
2019-10-07 21:56:29	fendor	https://app.circleci.com/jobs/github/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/1082/tests
2019-10-07 21:56:31	mpickering	I would expect it to
2019-10-07 21:56:54	fendor	but not on "current master" hie-bios, only on the branch "local-changes"
2019-10-07 21:56:59	mpickering	oh right
2019-10-07 21:58:00	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/19/files#diff-9ec602207c6ab290328c0270cfbd64feL232
2019-10-07 21:58:03	mpickering	perhaps try reverting that
2019-10-07 21:58:41	fendor	why did you change that in the first place? I dont understand what the order does here
2019-10-07 22:01:11	mpickering	I think it's ok to revert the order
2019-10-07 22:01:22	mpickering	I think I was trying to stop the cancellation action retaining a reference to something
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2019-10-07 22:01:28	mpickering	but I don't think it made a difference in the end
2019-10-07 22:01:40	fendor	ok
2019-10-07 22:01:45	fendor	I am trying it right now
2019-10-07 22:02:17	fendor	then I have to find out why the test-cases for the logging pr fail
2019-10-07 22:04:42	fendor	actually, that change should be unrelated to the failing test-case. It checks the message of "Initialising Cradle"
2019-10-07 22:08:39	fendor	so, the question remains, who sets the message in a progress notification?
2019-10-07 22:14:24	mpickering	it depends which one
2019-10-07 22:14:32	mpickering	the init one is just set for the duration of the inner action
2019-10-07 22:14:40	mpickering	the other progress one is triggered by GHC itself
2019-10-07 22:16:05	fendor	does ghc set the message to "Main"? 0.o
2019-10-07 22:16:36	mpickering	If it's compiling a module called `Main`
2019-10-07 22:16:40	mpickering	then that sounds plausible
2019-10-07 22:16:51	fendor	it doesnt
2019-10-07 22:17:03	fendor	wait, the module has no name
2019-10-07 22:17:10	fendor	does that assume now the name is "Main"?
2019-10-07 22:17:27	fendor	because the Module can only be a Main module without module declaration?
2019-10-07 22:18:27	mpickering	If you omit writing a module header then it is assumed to be `Main`
2019-10-07 22:18:40	mpickering	How the progress is displayed is determined by the `toMessager` function
2019-10-07 22:19:04	fendor	ok, thanks!
2019-10-07 22:20:31	fendor	ok, the only explanation imo is then, that toMessager is never called
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2019-10-07 22:28:27	fendor	theory: the change: https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/19/files#diff-fb69f899fd005326a13dddab5748049fR131-R133
2019-10-07 22:28:41	fendor	is it possible that this is the actual initialisation of the cradle? 
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2019-10-07 22:29:38	fendor	so, when we initialise the cradle after "withProgress" we lose this progress reporter?
2019-10-07 22:31:45	mpickering	ah yes it is
2019-10-07 22:32:00	mpickering	ah right indeed
2019-10-07 22:32:05	mpickering	Good point
2019-10-07 22:32:19	mpickering	I even thought about this and decided to leave it as it was
2019-10-07 22:32:24	mpickering	but you are right
2019-10-07 22:33:28	fendor	so, how to do this properly? everything in the withProgress? 
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2019-10-07 22:44:16	mpickering	I think you can wrap the init in another withProgress
2019-10-07 22:44:23	mpickering	or expand the scope of the withProgress somehow
2019-10-07 22:46:00	fendor	can we wrap it in another withProgress? We have no hook for ghc messages, right?
2019-10-07 22:46:40	fendor	well, actually we do have it
2019-10-07 22:47:04	fendor	or rather, the messager of the previous "withProgress" is wired into the result
2019-10-07 22:47:52	fendor	i try
2019-10-07 22:48:35	mpickering	oh hmm, but the hook won't work still
2019-10-07 22:48:44	fendor	in the same withProgress?
2019-10-07 22:48:49	fendor	I think so, since the reference is correct?
2019-10-07 22:48:51	fendor	or not gc'ed
2019-10-07 22:48:52	mpickering	as after you return out of the block it will send the progress end notification
2019-10-07 22:49:01	mpickering	so you will have to widen the scope
2019-10-07 22:49:04	fendor	yeah, but I move the whole block into the same `withProgress`
2019-10-07 22:49:10	mpickering	yeah sounds good
2019-10-07 22:49:23	fendor	https://gist.github.com/fendor/5d30197573fc5288c275f4c44d6e133d
2019-10-07 22:50:32	mpickering	ok, now perhaps factor out that big indented bit into a new function
2019-10-07 22:50:52	mpickering	to avoid having a big indented block
2019-10-07 22:50:57	mpickering	looks like a good fix though
2019-10-07 22:51:05	fendor	i am testing it before refactoring
2019-10-07 22:54:15	fendor	great, yes that fixed it
2019-10-07 22:59:34	mpickering	sorry for breaking everything
2019-10-07 23:00:51	dxld	mpickering: how does eps compare to the other hscenv stuff?
2019-10-07 23:01:03	dxld	also you might want to add the faststring table as well
2019-10-07 23:01:05	fendor	that is not breaking everything, that is breaking a minor test :D 
2019-10-07 23:01:21	fendor	the functionality is still correct
2019-10-07 23:01:21	dxld	as a root that is
2019-10-07 23:02:01	dxld	also what are you testing on anyways, hie?
2019-10-07 23:03:16	mpickering	No, compiling Cabval
2019-10-07 23:03:33	mpickering	same stuff as before
2019-10-07 23:04:06	dxld	the spikes are indeed weird, never had anything like that
2019-10-07 23:06:07	dxld	what do you need the catch-all case btw?
2019-10-07 23:06:30	dxld	just for sanity checking? I guess I could add that but it's going to kill performance even more
2019-10-07 23:06:50	dxld	at least with root prof we're just traversing what the user points us to, not everything necessarily
2019-10-07 23:07:04	mpickering	`-hr` does a whole traversal?
2019-10-07 23:07:07	fendor	damn, memory cinsumption just jumped by 2 gb
2019-10-07 23:07:18	dxld	absolutely, yeah
2019-10-07 23:07:23	dxld	on every sample
2019-10-07 23:07:27	mpickering	Yeah..
2019-10-07 23:07:28	dxld	multiple times even
2019-10-07 23:07:30	mpickering	that's fine
2019-10-07 23:07:40	mpickering	It's just hard to work out if the result of the profile is correct
2019-10-07 23:07:49	dxld	I'd hardly call that fine :)
2019-10-07 23:07:52	dxld	yeah 
2019-10-07 23:07:56	dxld	we can sure add it for debugging
2019-10-07 23:07:59	mpickering	if I could see the shape was the same as my other profiles I would know it's correct
2019-10-07 23:08:00	dxld	or as an option
2019-10-07 23:08:08	dxld	so you can just add a root that represents "everything"
2019-10-07 23:08:12	dxld	I just don't want to force it
2019-10-07 23:08:26	dxld	yeah totally makes sense
2019-10-07 23:08:31	dxld	that's a good idea
2019-10-07 23:08:41	dxld	so what's wrong with -hr?
2019-10-07 23:08:45	mpickering	It just produces no sampels
2019-10-07 23:08:49	dxld	hrm
2019-10-07 23:09:07	dxld	I'll have a look at that tomorrow if I can
2019-10-07 23:10:39	mpickering	I'm not sure 100% how useful this mode is though 
2019-10-07 23:10:52	mpickering	because consider if you have a map X
2019-10-07 23:11:00	mpickering	and make X a root
2019-10-07 23:11:11	mpickering	if you insert X into Y then your pointer just points into the new map X + Y
2019-10-07 23:11:54	dxld	yeah the idea is you have to set the roots whenever you update something like that (using unsafePerformIO if need be)
2019-10-07 23:12:10	dxld	I don't really have any ideas on how to not have to do that
2019-10-07 23:12:49	dxld	maybe some magic by looking at CCSs or something, but I don't really understand the semantics of those to begin with
2019-10-07 23:16:01	fendor	mpickering, pr to local-changes: https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/30 I will merge, as soon as CI succeeds 
2019-10-07 23:16:17	fendor	and if CI succeeds, I would want to merge local-changes as well
2019-10-07 23:16:41	fendor	followed by "Improve Documentation" and "Replace tracing with logging"
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2019-10-07 23:30:54	fendor	oh goodness, I misspelled initialize wrong again...
2019-10-07 23:31:18	fendor	to avoid that, i will never iniatialize stuff again
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2019-10-07 23:57:21	fendor	mpickering, do I have your blessing to merge https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/19 ?
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2019-10-08 16:26:47	fendor	jneira, can you open an issue at https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues for the issue you described on the main branch?
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2019-10-08 18:14:36	fendor	lukelau, ping
2019-10-08 18:14:43	lukelau	pong
2019-10-08 18:15:26	fendor	lukelau, I have a question, did you see my comment https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/21 ?
2019-10-08 18:15:40	fendor	It seems like my usage of `Core.setupLogger` is crashing liquid haskell tests
2019-10-08 18:15:41	lukelau	not yet,  checking it out now
2019-10-08 18:16:21	fendor	What does that even do? The source looks a bit complicated
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2019-10-08 18:30:32	lukelau	fendor: I have no idea as to why this would just cause the liquid tests to fail
2019-10-08 18:30:53	lukelau	Do you have the link to the CI run where it did fail?
2019-10-08 18:31:01	fendor	yeah 
2019-10-08 18:31:27	fendor	https://app.circleci.com/jobs/github/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/1248/tests
2019-10-08 18:37:31	fendor	hm, maybe something broke earlier
2019-10-08 18:38:35	fendor	I think I lost code actions... but this is something that is definitely checked for, right? 
2019-10-08 19:01:29	lukelau	Should be. As in you cant get code actions working yourself locally?
2019-10-08 19:01:56	lukelau	Still completely stumped as to how on earth liquid haskell is failing
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2019-10-08 19:02:48	fendor	yeah, code actions are no longer working... but I think that vscode died somehow... 
2019-10-08 19:02:48	lukelau	I’m also noticing the functional test logs aren’t in the circleCI artifacts
2019-10-08 19:03:22	fendor	for the tracing branch? Probably does setupLogger not do what I hoped
2019-10-08 19:03:26	fendor	or assumed
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2019-10-08 21:12:15	fendor	lukelau, I call bs on the CI regarding liquid, I get diagnostics. 
2019-10-08 21:13:06	fendor	take it back, I can reproduce the bug
2019-10-08 21:19:33	fendor	alright, wrong again. In my opinion, it works
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2019-10-09 00:28:12	mpickering	fendor: What's this problem with init logger?
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2019-10-09 00:34:50	fendor	mpickering, test cases fail
2019-10-09 00:35:01	fendor	and I dont know why
2019-10-09 00:35:14	fendor	they should not fail
2019-10-09 00:35:19	fendor	and afaik, they dont fail locally
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2019-10-09 00:44:57	mpickering	how do they fail?
2019-10-09 00:45:35	fendor	https://circleci.com/workflow-run/48046810-9e38-49af-a2a2-64775ddd7512
2019-10-09 00:45:56	fendor	https://circleci.com/gh/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/1259
2019-10-09 00:48:43	fendor	and I am pretty sure I pinned the failing is caused by https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/21/files#diff-a5f1759e836b979c73309e9329e69575R137
2019-10-09 00:51:21	mpickering	So if you comment out the line the test passes?
2019-10-09 00:51:50	fendor	yeah
2019-10-09 00:52:17	fendor	https://circleci.com/gh/fendor/workflows/haskell-ide-engine/tree/test-tracing
2019-10-09 00:53:33	fendor	last succeeding build is when Core.setupLogger is commented out and the second fail is when it is not commented out
2019-10-09 00:53:37	mpickering	also try using a different log file
2019-10-09 00:54:06	fendor	yeah, well, obviously... I dont know why I didnt think of that... will try right now, thanks!
2019-10-09 00:54:34	mpickering	and also this funciton might not like being called twice
2019-10-09 00:55:11	fendor	yeah. but as far as I can tell, it does what I actually want it to
2019-10-09 01:18:20	fendor	mpickering, you were absolutely right, changing the output file fixes it
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2019-10-09 01:23:38	mpickering	:)
2019-10-09 01:23:40	mpickering	good job
2019-10-09 01:25:48	fendor	thanks for the help! but how to fix it now properly?
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2019-10-09 01:59:20	mpickering	I have no idea without looking into how hslogger works
2019-10-09 01:59:34	mpickering	there's probably some hslogger commands you can call directly 
2019-10-09 02:00:23	fendor	yeah, I tried updateGlobalLogger. But this will not work to write to the same file
2019-10-09 02:00:48	fendor	I think for the correct impl, we have to change haskell-lsp
2019-10-09 02:01:14	fendor	e.g. setupLogger should configure loggers for different components
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2019-10-10 19:56:11	fendor	question: https://github.com/wz1000/cabal-helper/blob/6c4880f7fa6e23a7f9d073bae3721f31b8d89e80/lib/Distribution/Helper/Discover.hs#L45 
2019-10-10 19:57:03	fendor	Does that mean that cabal-helper just looks in a single directory for a project?
2019-10-10 19:58:21	fendor	and we should, given a FilePath, check for each parent directory of this FilePath to find which project it is really part of?
2019-10-10 19:59:22	fendor	which is complicated for sub-packages, e.g. for hie-plugin-api the nearest .cabal file is in `./hie-plugin-api/` and I think, cabal-helper would interpret it as a v1 project
2019-10-10 19:59:28	fendor	which is definitely not what we want
2019-10-10 20:00:40	fendor	so, is cabal-helper very greedy for responsibilities?
2019-10-10 20:01:04	fendor	I assume, so
2019-10-10 20:53:42	fendor	jneira, did you test cabal-helper branch on stack projects with multiple components?
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2019-10-11 15:40:44	freeman42x	run into this issue: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1407
2019-10-11 16:30:30	jneira_	i was just commenting 
2019-10-11 16:33:37	jneira_	freeman42x: running the mentioned `cabal-helper-wrapper` invocation with `--verbose` could give us more info (it it exists in that path) 
2019-10-11 16:36:37	freeman42x	jneira_, how would I be running it that way? the one who makes that invocation is the HIE Atom plugin and not me
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2019-10-11 16:52:07	jneira_	mmm i am not a nix user but you should run it in a shell
2019-10-11 16:53:10	fendor	jneira_, question, you tried cabal-helper branch, on multi component projects, right? 
2019-10-11 17:02:03	dxld	fendor: re your comments from yesterday about c-h's project discovery
2019-10-11 17:02:31	dxld	the idea was that c-h should only have the minimum functionality so we don't duplicate effort between hie-bios and it
2019-10-11 17:02:54	dxld	so hie was supposed to do the recursive search and whatnot
2019-10-11 17:03:10	fendor	dxld, thanks for the clarification! 
2019-10-11 17:03:17	fendor	however, should there be a recursive search even?
2019-10-11 17:03:33	dxld	but you make a valid point, it's quite difficult to even implement
2019-10-11 17:03:57	dxld	it occurs to me now that actually with the level of abstraction we've got going you really don't even have the tools in hie to do it properly
2019-10-11 17:04:11	fendor	i think so, too
2019-10-11 17:04:12	dxld	like the way v2 project scope over v1 projects, same for stack
2019-10-11 17:04:38	dxld	if we codify that into hie that would break the abstraction c-h is trying to provide
2019-10-11 17:05:00	fendor	i think it is valid to demand that a user has to open hie in the project root, no?
2019-10-11 17:05:01	dxld	so really c-h should proabably be doing all this
2019-10-11 17:05:09	dxld	I dunno about
2019-10-11 17:05:12	dxld	*that
2019-10-11 17:05:28	dxld	I have some very specific ideas on how this hole project selection stuff should work
2019-10-11 17:06:08	dxld	what do you mean exactly by opening it in the project root?
2019-10-11 17:06:21	dxld	it's not as if the user has control over where the hie executable runs really
2019-10-11 17:06:38	dxld	that's the editor plugin's job, no?
2019-10-11 17:06:54	fendor	well, e.g. if you open hie-plugin-api by navigating to the according directory and open hie, e.g. via vscode, then c-h currently has no way of knowing that in a parent dir there is a cabal.project or a stack.yaml
2019-10-11 17:07:28	dxld	yeah so for that we just have to implement the parent directory search for cabal.project etc
2019-10-11 17:07:30	fendor	hie-bios works around this, because there is a hie.yaml in the parent dir which will be discovered by `findCradle`
2019-10-11 17:07:42	fendor	ok, you think this is the right way and feasible?
2019-10-11 17:07:50	dxld	I think so
2019-10-11 17:07:57	fendor	ok, then I will do that.
2019-10-11 17:08:05	fendor	should be easy enough
2019-10-11 17:08:07	dxld	oh, hang on
2019-10-11 17:08:15	dxld	I mean implementing that in c-h though, not in hie
2019-10-11 17:08:15	teto	is the next release gonna support cabal 3 ? any schedule ? 
2019-10-11 17:08:38	fendor	teto, no schedule, next version will almost definitely not support cabal 3
2019-10-11 17:08:42	dxld	I mean you can do it temporarily if you like, but my end goal is to have that in c-h so the abstraction makes sense
2019-10-11 17:09:32	fendor	dxld, I thought c-h should minimum functionality? but I suppose, it makes sense, since hie-bios does the same
2019-10-11 17:09:38	fendor	*should have
2019-10-11 17:10:04	dxld	essentially my current plan is to usurp hie-bios's hie.yaml files by supporting them in c-h so we can move the entire project abstraction into c-h
2019-10-11 17:10:25	dxld	and let hie-bios just do the ghc init stuff
2019-10-11 17:10:49	dxld	so in that framework it's totally ok for c-h to implement the recursive search because we're not duplicating any work
2019-10-11 17:11:00	fendor	Does ghcide plan to migrate to c-h? Because afaik, they use hie-bios mainly for project discovery and dont use the ghc init stuff
2019-10-11 17:11:02	dxld	(well as soon as we remove the cradle code from hie-bios anyways)
2019-10-11 17:11:20	fendor	except for `initSession`
2019-10-11 17:11:29	dxld	I dunno about plan but I think it would make a lot of sense
2019-10-11 17:11:42	dxld	((I changed the license for them god damn it, so they better)) ;)
2019-10-11 17:12:07	dxld	but I've only really had contact with ndm so far, not sure what the rest of the project is planning
2019-10-11 17:12:15	fendor	I am just curious about the communication, who discussed stuff with who and such
2019-10-11 17:12:38	fendor	since ghcide and hie plan to merge efforts, somehow
2019-10-11 17:12:48	dxld	yeah I just talked to ndm at munihac to figure out what they need/want
2019-10-11 17:13:24	fendor	oh you were at munihac as well? I could have had a chance to talk to you, too :(
2019-10-11 17:13:45	dxld	I knew you were supposed to be there and wondering where you were at :p
2019-10-11 17:13:55	dxld	I was at the ghc table
2019-10-11 17:14:40	fendor	I was at the ghcide table and worked on hie-bios
2019-10-11 17:14:56	dxld	hehe, go figure
2019-10-11 17:15:07	fendor	then we porbably have seen each other anyways, I walked over to the ghc table a couple of times
2019-10-11 17:15:32	dxld	possibly
2019-10-11 17:16:01	fendor	however, so, you would prefer it, if the recusrive project discovery happens in c-h?
2019-10-11 17:16:24	dxld	I think that's where it ought to live eventually
2019-10-11 17:16:47	fendor	makes sense, I would start with a prototype in hie and port it over if it works
2019-10-11 17:18:02	fendor	I am currently debugging the c-h-h stuff. For some reason, it does not select the right component for a sub-component
2019-10-11 17:18:10	dxld	I would ask you to implement it in c-h right away since it doesn't really make sense not to
2019-10-11 17:18:25	dxld	buuut the thing is while thinking about this I noticed that my ProjLoc stuff doesn't really reflect cabal's behaviour very well at the moment so I'm working on tweaking that some more
2019-10-11 17:18:42	dxld	v2 has the ability to just operate on .cabal files witout any cabal.project around too
2019-10-11 17:18:49	dxld	and the api doesn't reflect that at all
2019-10-11 17:19:02	dxld	so that also makes the scoping for the recursive search more tricky
2019-10-11 17:19:40	dxld	also it turns out `v2-build --project-file=foo.bar` will actually search for "foo.bar" in all parent dirs too, just like cabal.project
2019-10-11 17:19:46	dxld	didn't know you could do that
2019-10-11 17:20:34	dxld	so I'm seeing if I can make some tests to document our assumptions about all that behavour
2019-10-11 17:20:35	fendor	Ok, then for now, we require that hie is opened in the root a project, until this is implemented
2019-10-11 17:20:40	fendor	can I help you with that somehow?
2019-10-11 17:20:51	dxld	I mean you could just implement the naive version for now
2019-10-11 17:21:34	dxld	just do findProjects in each parent dir and pick the first v2 or stack thing, starting from the root
2019-10-11 17:21:40	dxld	and fall back to the first v1 thing
2019-10-11 17:21:50	fendor	yeah, sounds easy enough.
2019-10-11 17:22:54	dxld	how to decide between stack and v2 when both exist is another story ;P
2019-10-11 17:23:19	fendor	it is probably a political decision
2019-10-11 17:23:31	dxld	I would like HIE to have a UI that pops up to ask which to prefer if such a conflict happens
2019-10-11 17:23:51	dxld	I hate just hardcoding that decision
2019-10-11 17:23:52	fendor	if a project builds with both, the decision is arbitrary. Preferring one though is a political decision. 
2019-10-11 17:24:08	dxld	yeah that's why I'd like the user to decide
2019-10-11 17:24:08	fendor	yeah, or something such as hie.yaml takes care of that
2019-10-11 17:24:29	dxld	I mean you could remember the choice and apply the preference to all future projects or something even
2019-10-11 17:24:44	dxld	yeah but then hie.yaml is also just going to be one choice among many..
2019-10-11 17:24:54	dxld	unless we make it mandatory but that sucks too
2019-10-11 17:25:17	dxld	besides my eventual plan is to replace that with something that also captures c-h's project types
2019-10-11 17:25:55	jneira_	i miss in vscode a per project (and global default too) hie setting to choose between stack and cabal
2019-10-11 17:25:56	fendor	what are c-h's project types? Or how are they different to hie-bios's?
2019-10-11 17:25:56	dxld	but we'll cross that migration when we get to it
2019-10-11 17:26:08	fendor	jneira_, with current hie.yaml it is possible
2019-10-11 17:26:17	dxld	well hie-bios just has a very generic strategy for getting ghc options
2019-10-11 17:26:40	dxld	"give me an executable that'll spit them out" or "hardcode them in the hie.yaml file"
2019-10-11 17:27:10	fendor	yeah
2019-10-11 17:27:15	dxld	whereas c-h does the whole shabang and figures out the options for you, just given a decision like stack vs cabal-v2 vs cabal-v1
2019-10-11 17:27:30	jneira_	yeah, i would not have problem to add manual hie.yaml files but a setting in vscode "would be good beginners"™
2019-10-11 17:27:35	dxld	the cabal-helper-helper approach is pretty nasty IMO
2019-10-11 17:28:03	fendor	jneira_, true, but I am not sure vscode is flexible enough to handle the complexity
2019-10-11 17:28:14	dxld	the problem is hie-bios currently wants all the ghc flags upfront, for every cabal package, every cabal component
2019-10-11 17:28:25	dxld	whereas c-h can give them to you incrementally
2019-10-11 17:28:40	dxld	you open a file and ask, give me some ghc opts for this thing
2019-10-11 17:29:11	dxld	which just has lower latency than getting eveything
2019-10-11 17:29:48	dxld	also if some things in a project are broken then the "give me everything" approach obviously breaks everything rather than just that component, which sucks
2019-10-11 17:30:12	fendor	Afaik, hie-bios wants the flags for a single component? 
2019-10-11 17:30:29	fendor	Yeah, that sucks. I figured it can probably be refined at some point
2019-10-11 17:30:53	dxld	well just look at what c-h-h does now
2019-10-11 17:31:10	dxld	there's a allUnits call in there
2019-10-11 17:31:38	dxld	that's iterating over evey cabal component in the entire project to get the options
2019-10-11 17:32:41	dxld	I mean I don't think hie-bios does the single component thing anywhere?
2019-10-11 17:33:35	dxld	oh I suppose the getCompilerOptions function could do that if it wanted to
2019-10-11 17:33:56	dxld	but none of the cradles really support that I don't think
2019-10-11 17:35:12	fendor	ok, yeah, so, the c-h-h is not optimal
2019-10-11 17:35:18	dxld	ok, the stack one might
2019-10-11 17:35:32	dxld	the cabal one doesn't
2019-10-11 17:35:44	dxld	anyways
2019-10-11 17:36:30	fendor	but the api supports it, so adding it should be possible?
2019-10-11 17:36:56	dxld	I guess, but I don't really like the api anyways
2019-10-11 17:38:15	fendor	why not?
2019-10-11 17:38:59	dxld	maybe I shouldn't say API, it's more the simplistic implementation I dislike
2019-10-11 17:39:21	dxld	I can't actually authoratively say that the API doesn't have everything we need because I haven't spent enough time with it
2019-10-11 17:40:42	fendor	time will show how everything evolves
2019-10-11 17:40:47	dxld	the api is nice and simple, thats good but on the other hand it's not as expressive as c-h's
2019-10-11 17:41:13	fendor	is the expressiveness needed? honest question because I dont know how much is actually needed
2019-10-11 17:41:20	dxld	I want deep integration like cabal file refactoring or what have you that you're just going to have a hard time doing with just hie-bios
2019-10-11 17:41:57	dxld	that's a fair question, I mean if hie-bios proves anything is that it's not absolutely needed, but I still think it's beneficial
2019-10-11 17:42:31	dxld	mat's theory with hie-bios is that the build tools should do most of the work
2019-10-11 17:42:47	fendor	What is needed for cabal file refactorings? 0.o Not just the Cabal API?
2019-10-11 17:42:58	dxld	which means currently they don't so eveything sucks but they might in the future, making deep integration like c-h does obsolete or at least not as needed
2019-10-11 17:44:06	dxld	so in an ideal world where that might happen soon, maybe hie-bios is ok but in the world we live in where that sort of thing takes forever I'd rather have access to the internals so I can work around and extend stuff 
2019-10-11 17:44:27	fendor	I can see the reasoning, it would shift the responsibility to the tool providers, if they want that there is integration for their tool, they have to do most of the work
2019-10-11 17:44:32	dxld	I mean at least the Cabal API ;)
2019-10-11 17:45:03	dxld	but on the other hand we still don't really have a specification of what tool providers even need to give us
2019-10-11 17:45:09	fendor	yeah, at least, but no deep support from build-tools, right?
2019-10-11 17:45:13	dxld	hie-bios only figured out the MVP so far :P
2019-10-11 17:45:32	fendor	which is a working MVP
2019-10-11 17:45:33	dxld	"give me ghc options", ok, I had that figured out years ago when I started moving ghc-mod to c-h
2019-10-11 17:46:35	dxld	anyways
2019-10-11 17:47:43	dxld	my plan right now is to give us way better control over the build tool and ghc versions and such
2019-10-11 17:48:11	dxld	by letting us choose the ghc executable that gets run rather than leaving that up to the build tool
2019-10-11 17:48:43	fendor	is there some place where your plans are listed? I am pretty happy to help improve tooling but it is really difficult to find something that is wortwhile working on
2019-10-11 17:48:44	dxld	so that's going to open up a whole array of possibilities in terms of our build system integration
2019-10-11 17:48:55	dxld	not really
2019-10-11 17:49:03	dxld	I was just thinking about that today
2019-10-11 17:49:28	dxld	how it's kind of hard to go from this sort of one-man project that c-h is to a proper one where stuff is publicly documented and not just in my head :)
2019-10-11 17:50:09	dxld	it's just hard to find the motivation to write these things down when it seems like no-one is going to read them anyways
2019-10-11 17:51:15	fendor	I know that feeling, doing write-ups is kind of annoying and takes up a lot of time and needs to be up-to-date and so on. However, it is really important so that others can actually contribute, right?
2019-10-11 17:51:32	dxld	yeah, definetly
2019-10-11 17:51:42	dxld	though I prefer picking up contributors in irc :p
2019-10-11 17:51:57	dxld	but yeah, ideally writeups would exist
2019-10-11 17:52:32	dxld	I just feel like if I get no feedback on my plans they're just not going to make any sense to anyone else anyways
2019-10-11 17:53:00	dxld	so it's good we're chewing this through at the very least :)
2019-10-11 17:53:51	fendor	of course and this is also very valuable to me to understand the mess we are in ^^ 
2019-10-11 17:54:18	dxld	and one hell of a mess it is
2019-10-11 17:55:51	dxld	the important thing for me is that we have some recourse to get into a better situation in the future
2019-10-11 17:56:52	dxld	I was worried a bit that hie-bios would mess that up, but I have a migration plan to let us move to something better integrated with c-h if we want to
2019-10-11 17:57:08	fendor	that migration would be to usurp hie-bios?
2019-10-11 17:57:18	dxld	so I'm just going to let you guys do your thing on merging hie-bios and then we'll take it from there when ready
2019-10-11 17:57:33	dxld	the project discovery/cradle aspect at least
2019-10-11 17:58:04	dxld	I've always loathed the idea that we have more than one api for doing that
2019-10-11 17:58:40	freeman42x	jneira_, what I get: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1407#issuecomment-541043689
2019-10-11 17:58:43	dxld	previously the licensing situation made that diplomatic solution necessary but since that's resolved now (c-h is apache2 now) we can move to something more sane
2019-10-11 17:59:58	fendor	ok, very excited for that! 
2019-10-11 18:00:02	dxld	so my idea is we should add support for reading hie.yaml files to c-h essentially, but instead of just being content with that c-h should convert that to it's own config format
2019-10-11 18:00:57	dxld	it could be argued that we should just stay with the hie.yaml thing, but I dislike the choice of the yaml format for various reasons
2019-10-11 18:01:16	fendor	you are more in favour of .cabal file format, right?
2019-10-11 18:01:22	dxld	mhm
2019-10-11 18:01:34	dxld	I just think it's the right thing to do here
2019-10-11 18:02:05	fendor	I am not so sure, I feel like, many people dislike the .cabal format
2019-10-11 18:02:12	dxld	we already spent the cost of the Cabal dependency, the format ought to be familliar to the haskell crowd already, and it's simple enough to make refactoring of it possible
2019-10-11 18:03:00	dxld	I haven't heard any serious complaints about it in a while tbh
2019-10-11 18:03:17	dxld	and after looking at the implementation I am really quite happy with the simplicity
2019-10-11 18:03:25	fendor	there is at least the complaint about having to add the module to the cabal file
2019-10-11 18:03:28	dxld	it's essentially just .ini :)
2019-10-11 18:03:40	dxld	but that has nothing to do with the config file syntax
2019-10-11 18:04:05	dxld	you have to separate the underlying syntax from what Cabal happens to do with it here
2019-10-11 18:04:28	dxld	the syntax is essentially just toplevel fields, and sections with fields
2019-10-11 18:05:07	dxld	each field can then have it's own parser, which admittedly is confusing at times as deployed in cabal
2019-10-11 18:05:30	dxld	but nobody's forcing us to have the same inconsistencies ;)
2019-10-11 18:06:14	fendor	I still can hardly write .cabal files correctly
2019-10-11 18:06:35	dxld	yeah, but I bet it's not because you can't remember the quoting rules
2019-10-11 18:06:51	dxld	(because you almost never need to quote anything, unlike with yaml :P)
2019-10-11 18:07:04	dxld	anyways
2019-10-11 18:07:14	fendor	Yeah, I dont remember the format, e.g. Executable vs library vs common vs test and so on
2019-10-11 18:07:23	dxld	the idea would be for your IDE to persist the config you do in the UI automatically
2019-10-11 18:07:34	dxld	so you wouldn't really be writing these files much by hand anyways
2019-10-11 18:07:58	dxld	yeah but again, that because cabal has a lot of options and some happen to even have inconsistent syntax
2019-10-11 18:08:16	dxld	I bet if I quizzed you on the precise format of a hie.yaml file you wouldn't remember either :P
2019-10-11 18:09:42	fendor	well, currently, I do remember almost everything, since I also implemented it, but there are probably yaml syntax features which I never even knew
2019-10-11 18:09:57	dxld	the config format thing is super bike-sheddy I admit, but I'm a sucker for minimal dependencies
2019-10-11 18:10:10	dxld	and yaml is just too big for the refactoring thing
2019-10-11 18:10:26	fendor	Isnt the .cabal parser and format in Cabal?
2019-10-11 18:10:44	dxld	cabal's format is nice and simple so even though lib:Cabal doesn't allow refactoring while preserving comments directly it's easy(ish) to add outside of it
2019-10-11 18:10:49	dxld	cabal-fmt already does that
2019-10-11 18:11:15	dxld	lib:Cabal exposes the parser for the field/section syntax
2019-10-11 18:11:29	dxld	that doesn't provide the interpretation of the fields yet
2019-10-11 18:11:35	dxld	so we can essentially do whatever we want there
2019-10-11 18:12:33	fendor	I see. side question, is the s-b-i stuff still needed? Or where is it needed? 
2019-10-11 18:13:00	dxld	personally I'm happy with the Setup.hs part
2019-10-11 18:13:17	dxld	but we probably should push the cabal-install side through as well
2019-10-11 18:13:33	fendor	yes, I will continue to work on that after hie-bios branch is finished
2019-10-11 18:13:38	dxld	but it's not strictly required
2019-10-11 18:14:01	fendor	it is still useful and helpful to debug stuff, I suppose
2019-10-11 18:14:04	dxld	honestly if someone wants it they can just pick up the PR and finish it
2019-10-11 18:14:20	dxld	I just call into act-as-setup directly to debug it ;)
2019-10-11 18:14:21	fendor	no, I will finish this
2019-10-11 18:14:51	dxld	it's up to you really, but don't feel pressured
2019-10-11 18:15:09	fendor	I spent so much time on it, I want it now to be done
2019-10-11 18:15:17	dxld	the thing that would be really useful is writing buildinfo.json as a sideeffect
2019-10-11 18:15:36	fendor	if you can give me pointers I can try to do it
2019-10-11 18:15:38	dxld	not sure if the cabal-install side is technically necessary just to do that
2019-10-11 18:15:59	dxld	but that's not one of my usecases, I just think it makes sense to have that for other tools
2019-10-11 18:16:17	fendor	yeah, true
2019-10-11 18:16:28	dxld	https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/6203
2019-10-11 18:17:13	fendor	implementation pointers
2019-10-11 18:17:24	dxld	tseenshe is even more of a hardcode minimalist but I think the basic idea is valid
2019-10-11 18:17:28	dxld	oh hehe
2019-10-11 18:17:48	dxld	tbh I would just add support to Setup.hs build to do this
2019-10-11 18:18:01	dxld	I don't really see why cabal-install should have to orchestrate that
2019-10-11 18:18:15	dxld	essentially whenever we perform a build we already have the LocalBuildInfo stuff in memory
2019-10-11 18:18:32	dxld	so just dump that out in the same format as show-build-info
2019-10-11 18:19:09	dxld	so essentially, add a --dump-build-info option to `Setup.hs build` and then do that
2019-10-11 18:19:27	dxld	the relevant code is in Dist/Simple/Build.hs
2019-10-11 18:19:47	fendor	ok, thanks, will try my luck with that!
2019-10-11 18:19:59	dxld	oh that's where showBuildInfo is too
2019-10-11 18:20:07	dxld	so I guess you already know that code anyways :)
2019-10-11 18:20:12	fendor	yes
2019-10-11 18:20:27	dxld	so yeah, I would really just stick that at the beginning of the `build` function
2019-10-11 18:20:28	fendor	well, kind of, but i dont understand a lot of it
2019-10-11 18:20:30	dxld	shouldn't be hard at all
2019-10-11 18:20:55	dxld	that's sort of feeling is normal in the Cabal codebase
2019-10-11 18:21:05	dxld	remember it was written by wizzards :)
2019-10-11 18:21:19	dxld	I just ignore that feeling and plow on anyways
2019-10-11 18:21:30	fendor	and documented by wizzards as well?
2019-10-11 18:21:36	dxld	aaah the comments in here: "-- This seems DEEPLY questionable"
2019-10-11 18:21:45	dxld	documented in invisible bytes
2019-10-11 18:21:56	dxld	MAGIC :)
2019-10-11 18:21:57	fendor	or "-- this is a horrible hack"
2019-10-11 18:22:18	dxld	well at least we're not trying to pass any of this off as good code :)
2019-10-11 18:22:39	dxld	the best one I saw
2019-10-11 18:22:40	fendor	And I suppose there are attempts to improve it
2019-10-11 18:22:55	fendor	but there desperately needs to be something like "how to start to contribute"
2019-10-11 18:22:55	dxld	was one where the guy was like: this and that is horrible because so and so 
2019-10-11 18:23:13	dxld	and then below that "-- now I don't even know what I meant there" or something to that effect :D
2019-10-11 18:23:24	fendor	just lovely
2019-10-11 18:23:42	dxld	don't let it get you down
2019-10-11 18:23:46	dxld	think of it as a puzzle
2019-10-11 18:23:53	fendor	it is a puzzle
2019-10-11 18:23:55	dxld	you get to figure out what they meant there :)
2019-10-11 18:24:36	dxld	I was talking about something similar with hvr a couple days ago
2019-10-11 18:24:45	dxld	how too much happens behind the curtains in Cabal land
2019-10-11 18:24:51	dxld	much like cabal-helper
2019-10-11 18:24:54	fendor	exactly
2019-10-11 18:25:02	dxld	but even more advanced because there at least more than 1 person knows about stuff
2019-10-11 18:25:22	dxld	but they just don't document anything publicly still and backchannel stuff instead
2019-10-11 18:26:00	dxld	I'm trying to point it out when it happens now, so maybe we'll manage to whip them into shape yet ;)
2019-10-11 18:26:17	fendor	hopefully. But imo, we need more fresh contributors
2019-10-11 18:27:10	dxld	that's always true of every free software project tbh
2019-10-11 18:27:21	dxld	have yet to run into one that has too many contributors
2019-10-11 18:27:38	dxld	(ok ghc has too many for their review capacity, but that doesn't count)
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2019-10-11 18:28:04	fendor	when was the last time cabal got a new one?
2019-10-11 18:28:20	dxld	define contributor
2019-10-11 18:28:31	dxld	like regular?
2019-10-11 18:28:34	dxld	or one off?
2019-10-11 18:28:42	fendor	a big one that knows the source and can comfortably review new pr's
2019-10-11 18:28:51	dxld	me I guess
2019-10-11 18:28:54	fendor	that is what i meant
2019-10-11 18:28:57	dxld	but I just pretend to know anything xD
2019-10-11 18:29:15	fendor	that is good enough, at some point it becomes true 
2019-10-11 18:29:23	dxld	exactly my thinking
2019-10-11 18:29:40	dxld	but we do have this policy to give anyone who lands a PR contributor status
2019-10-11 18:29:44	dxld	i.e. commit rights
2019-10-11 18:30:20	fendor	that is mean :/ I am no contributor :( but I suppose, since hvr proposed the pr for s-b-i that finally got merged, I do only have 2 commits
2019-10-11 18:30:50	dxld	well that in itself is bottle necked on someon with admin rights going through the PR list
2019-10-11 18:31:03	dxld	we just have to ping them I think, let me see if I can find the issue
2019-10-11 18:31:12	fendor	nah, no worries
2019-10-11 18:31:19	fendor	i will land more prs
2019-10-11 18:31:30	dxld	https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/3567
2019-10-11 18:32:10	dxld	aaha
2019-10-11 18:32:17	dxld	hvr picked up your pr
2019-10-11 18:32:25	dxld	that's probably why you fell through the cracks
2019-10-11 18:33:30	dxld	ah but there is also https://github.com/haskell/cabal/pull/6078/files
2019-10-11 18:33:49	fendor	https://github.com/haskell/cabal/pull/6078
2019-10-11 18:34:49	fendor	yeah, eactly
2019-10-11 18:35:03	fendor	but it is not important, actually
2019-10-11 18:37:32	dxld	there
2019-10-11 18:39:39	fendor	thank you :)
2019-10-11 18:39:41	dxld	maybe we should actually sit down and write some high level docs about how cabal's internals work
2019-10-11 18:40:28	dxld	the whole cabal-install/Setup.hs split, flag filtering, 'cabal-version:' handling, what have you
2019-10-11 18:40:47	fendor	yes, that we great, and it maps to the actual source
2019-10-11 18:40:56	dxld	because tbh I find the code fairly easy to read just knowing how things fit together at a high level
2019-10-11 18:40:58	fendor	*would be
2019-10-11 18:41:22	dxld	there are some tricky bits
2019-10-11 18:41:28	dxld	like cmdline flag and config file parsing
2019-10-11 18:41:35	fendor	Yeah, the self exec of Cabal
2019-10-11 18:41:43	dxld	I still have no idea how that actually ends up working ;)
2019-10-11 18:42:41	fendor	I reversed engineered and was pretty close to understand it, but I forgot about it again
2019-10-11 18:42:41	dxld	but that's mostly an academic thing since it does end up just working
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2019-10-11 18:42:50	dxld	sounds about right
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2019-10-11 18:44:03	fendor	the main problem was to actually find out which path is taken.
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2019-10-11 18:44:38	dxld	like v1 vs v2 vs Setup.hs or what?
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2019-10-11 18:46:25	fendor	no, the self-exec works very weirdly
2019-10-11 18:46:33	fendor	it seems like the Cabal can be dynamically linked?
2019-10-11 18:46:37	dxld	ah
2019-10-11 18:46:48	dxld	that actually quite simple
2019-10-11 18:47:06	fendor	to dynamically link it?
2019-10-11 18:47:16	dxld	i mean the desicison which path to take
2019-10-11 18:47:45	dxld	and I mean yeah, cabal will just build Setup.hs what's the big deal?
2019-10-11 18:48:04	fendor	yeah, it is simple, once you understand why there are multiple paths
2019-10-11 18:48:19	dxld	right
2019-10-11 18:48:33	dxld	I thought you were asking about how that works specifically
2019-10-11 18:48:53	fendor	no clue what "build Setup.hs" even really means. hvr once explained to me the historical develeopment of Cabal, but it is a lot
2019-10-11 18:49:08	dxld	hehe
2019-10-11 18:49:34	dxld	well Cabal is designed so you can add your own stuff to certain hooks in the build process
2019-10-11 18:49:51	dxld	i.e. the library is desigend to make that possible
2019-10-11 18:49:53	fendor	yeah, the hook thing sounds even more uncomprehensible
2019-10-11 18:50:02	dxld	oh it's not so bad
2019-10-11 18:50:55	fendor	ok, what doe this hooks even do?
2019-10-11 18:50:58	dxld	I mean all it is is running some code before during and after each of the build steps we have
2019-10-11 18:51:56	dxld	like `preBuild` runs just before we do the normal build of a component
2019-10-11 18:52:03	fendor	and why could you need that?
2019-10-11 18:52:10	dxld	all sorts of reasons
2019-10-11 18:52:16	dxld	look at cabal itself
2019-10-11 18:52:23	dxld	we generate the manpage in one of the hooks
2019-10-11 18:52:41	dxld	postCopy is seems
2019-10-11 18:52:46	fendor	ok. Alright, so, these are really just hooks just as you would expect it to?
2019-10-11 18:53:04	dxld	yeah, that's why they're called hooks
2019-10-11 18:53:28	dxld	I've implemented all sorts of crazy shit using hooks hehe
2019-10-11 18:53:43	fendor	then I suppose I thought they were somehow related to Custom Build Types
2019-10-11 18:53:48	fendor	mistakenly
2019-10-11 18:54:03	dxld	the `configure` hooks are neat if you want to extend the .cabal file functionality
2019-10-11 18:54:11	dxld	well they are
2019-10-11 18:54:24	dxld	you can only use them with build-type:Custom
2019-10-11 18:55:49	dxld	since build-type:Simple will always just use the default (no-op) hooks since it doesn't actually build Setup.hs
2019-10-11 18:56:31	dxld	that's where the self-exec thing comes in, we just use the copy of Cabal already linked into cabal-install with all the default settings and hooks
2019-10-11 18:56:48	fendor	ok, then why is built-type:Custom complex? or problematic as some seem to hint
2019-10-11 18:57:24	dxld	well it used to be that you couldn't specify dependencies for it
2019-10-11 18:57:34	dxld	now we have setup-depends so that's not really a valid argument anymore
2019-10-11 18:57:48	dxld	so as soon as you needed a library other that Cabal itself you were in trouble
2019-10-11 18:58:11	dxld	and even just with lib:Cabal you couldn't declare which version you support
2019-10-11 18:58:24	dxld	so Setup.hs would often fail to build because of API changes in Cabal
2019-10-11 18:58:41	dxld	but that's all in the past
2019-10-11 18:59:20	fendor	not really, though, right? Commands need to be aware of the build-type, right? So, it makes stuff more complex
2019-10-11 18:59:22	dxld	now Setup.hs has proper declared and enforced build dependencies
2019-10-11 18:59:32	dxld	well sure, but what's the alternative?
2019-10-11 18:59:59	dxld	every time Cabal doesn't have a feature a user needs we're going to grow a new build system for haskell programs :)
2019-10-11 19:00:16	dxld	so instead of that I think the complexity incurred by the Setup.hs interface is justified
2019-10-11 19:00:49	dxld	back in the day I even implemented build-depends sharing like we have with the common sections now, all in Setup.hs
2019-10-11 19:02:47	fendor	Thanks for the explanation what this all actually is. Something like that would be very helpful in the repo
2019-10-11 19:02:55	dxld	and besides we abstract that away in cabal anyways, as long as you're aware of the split it's not really that big of a deal
2019-10-11 19:03:27	dxld	cabal even goes so far as to share the command line parsers between lib:Cabal and cabal-install
2019-10-11 19:03:32	fendor	I got asked how we handle build-type:custom in s-b-i and my only response was, no clue
2019-10-11 19:03:34	dxld	or at least it used to with v1-build
2019-10-11 19:03:57	dxld	I suppose technically we should have added a hook for s-b-i
2019-10-11 19:03:59	fendor	so, it was kind of hard for my first time contriubtion
2019-10-11 19:04:12	dxld	but realistically that's just going to live in the configure hook
2019-10-11 19:05:03	dxld	s-b-i at least handles custom setup a hell of a lot better than cabal-helper does now (which just handles it not at all)
2019-10-11 19:05:38	dxld	I didnt't see that question ever get asked
2019-10-11 19:05:46	dxld	was this on a PR review?
2019-10-11 19:06:00	dxld	hmm
2019-10-11 19:06:13	dxld	the new doctest thing also has a lib:Cabal hook
2019-10-11 19:06:24	dxld	maybe we really ought to add one too..
2019-10-11 19:09:19	dxld	hmm, we're just re-using the preBuild info hook
2019-10-11 19:09:20	fendor	I think someone did on the initial pr.
2019-10-11 19:09:23	dxld	I think that's actually ok
2019-10-11 19:09:38	dxld	especially if we're now adding the dumping to the build command
2019-10-11 19:09:44	dxld	then this all makes sense I think
2019-10-11 19:09:56	dxld	you wouldn't want build and s-b-i to give different things anyways 
2019-10-11 19:10:10	dxld	that's like the whole point of it, to give you exactly what build/repl would use
2019-10-11 19:10:46	dxld	maybe preRepl would be more appropriate though, hm
2019-10-11 19:11:15	fendor	yeah, no clue :)
2019-10-11 19:11:47	dxld	eh, I say leave it
2019-10-11 19:12:00	dxld	this is such an edge case in an edge case
2019-10-11 19:13:18	fendor	And I dont understand it, so, I would not even dare to try :)
2019-10-11 19:13:35	dxld	the only use case I can really see is where you might want IDEs to use different ghc opts than a normal build
2019-10-11 19:14:03	dxld	and it seems like cabal is probably the wrong layer to correct for that
2019-10-11 19:14:37	dxld	but maybe once we deploy this stuff someone complains that their package can't be loaded with some weird Setup.hs magic and then we can fix it with something concrete in hand
2019-10-11 19:15:29	fendor	isnt Cabal 3.0 already deloyed with s-b-i support?
2019-10-11 19:15:43	dxld	yeah sure
2019-10-11 19:15:49	dxld	but nothing uses it yet
2019-10-11 19:15:54	dxld	not that I know of anyways
2019-10-11 19:16:16	dxld	once this is integrated in c-h and hie uses that and people use hie, then we might get some issues ;)
2019-10-11 19:21:19	dxld	fendor: you're in vienna, right?
2019-10-11 19:21:43	dxld	we really have to get this tooling crowd together in the same room at some point
2019-10-11 19:23:00	fendor	dxld, yes i am
2019-10-11 19:23:47	fendor	I am sure this would be pretty helpful to discuss strategy and so on
2019-10-11 19:25:40	dxld	we have a hackerspace here in innsbruck we could use, do you know anything in vie?
2019-10-11 19:26:07	dxld	I mean I know there's the metalab but I don't know anyone there to organize this sort of meetup thing
2019-10-11 19:26:34	dxld	london could also be a nice option if we find a venue
2019-10-11 19:26:37	fendor	I only know the university :/ also there is the metalab but I dont know enough about it, e.g. if it is suitable for such meet-ups. However, allegedly, there were haskell meet-ups there 
2019-10-11 19:27:13	dxld	we also have a hackerspace adjacent location here that's a bit cleaner :)
2019-10-11 19:27:44	dxld	it's called the "Kochlokal", we've had some events there in the past so that's also an option
2019-10-11 19:28:21	dxld	has a kitchen and a bunch of tables and such (internet's meh but oh well)
2019-10-11 19:28:36	dxld	at the hackerspace we have mostly couches
2019-10-11 19:29:29	fendor	couches are horrible to work on :D 
2019-10-11 19:29:36	dxld	true, true
2019-10-11 19:29:51	dxld	but I dont really like the oldschool chairs they have at the other venue either
2019-10-11 19:30:43	dxld	university would be nice i suppose
2019-10-11 19:31:01	fendor	yeah, I am pretty sure that would be possible to get rooms at the university
2019-10-11 19:31:08	dxld	probably pretty buerocratic though
2019-10-11 19:31:28	dxld	at these two places we can pretty much just show up with a quick pre warning ;) 
2019-10-11 19:32:04	dxld	but if you know someone there and feel like asking around that'd be great
2019-10-11 19:32:07	fendor	yeah, one has to announce it at least a week earlier
2019-10-11 19:32:30	dxld	well I mean that's fine, but sometimes they want a legal entity for events
2019-10-11 19:32:50	dxld	and that's the sort of bullshit I wouldn't want to go through just for a meetup
2019-10-11 19:33:36	fendor	I have good connections to a student council which makes this procedure a lot easier to endure
2019-10-11 19:34:00	dxld	well if you want give that a feel-out
2019-10-11 19:34:06	dxld	maybe hvr can help or something
2019-10-11 19:34:21	dxld	I certainly wouldn't mind going to vienna, it's cheap to get to
2019-10-11 19:35:37	fendor	hm. maybe. I ll think about it. I have to talk to hvr anyways
2019-10-11 19:36:41	dxld	looks like there are some reasonably priced hotels around the hackerspace here though
2019-10-11 19:40:05	fendor	in innsbruck? that is reasonable as well
2019-10-11 19:40:15	dxld	yeah
2019-10-11 19:40:22	dxld	well I mean reasonable for innsbruck ;)
2019-10-11 19:40:42	dxld	which is still pretty expensive
2019-10-11 19:41:35	fendor	is it really? more than vienna?
2019-10-11 19:41:38	dxld	but at least they're within walking distance, i.e. one bus stop
2019-10-11 19:41:43	dxld	not sure about that
2019-10-11 19:42:00	dxld	never really had a hotel in vienna
2019-10-11 19:42:07	dxld	usually just go there to visit friends
2019-10-11 19:43:11	fendor	tbh, neither since I live here, but I just figured that the capital is not cheap
2019-10-11 19:43:27	dxld	I think because of the density it's likely to be cheaper
2019-10-11 19:43:38	dxld	at least there's going to be cheap options around
2019-10-11 19:43:44	fendor	if you are in some district at the end of the worls
2019-10-11 19:43:55	dxld	here pretty much everything is high priced because of turists and you don't have that much choice
2019-10-11 19:44:26	dxld	well thankfully the space is in the unfashionable end of town
2019-10-11 19:44:36	dxld	but still in the center
2019-10-11 19:44:46	dxld	walking distance from the main station
2019-10-11 19:45:34	fendor	sounds good
2019-10-11 19:46:31	dxld	so cheapest options for hotel are like 70-90EUR/night there are hostels for like half that
2019-10-11 19:46:54	dxld	further away and .. like hostels, so
2019-10-11 19:48:19	dxld	so if we just do a weekend not entirely unreasonable I guess
2019-10-11 19:50:20	fendor	yeah, sounds doable
2019-10-11 19:50:33	dxld	I found one that's supposedly 50/night
2019-10-11 19:51:35	dxld	https://www.binders.at/wohnen/zimmer-preise/
2019-10-11 19:51:42	dxld	that's two bus stops instead of one away ;)
2019-10-11 19:53:17	dxld	you have stuff to do during the week, right?
2019-10-11 19:53:24	fendor	looks actually really fancy
2019-10-11 19:53:26	dxld	so we have to do this on a weekend
2019-10-11 19:53:49	dxld	I bet it just looks fancy but isn't :p
2019-10-11 19:53:59	fendor	uhm.. well yeah, this semester I have actually stuff to do during weekdays. 
2019-10-11 19:54:07	dxld	hehe
2019-10-11 19:54:31	fendor	seminars where we have to be present
2019-10-11 19:54:36	dxld	well the 50EUR thing only seems to be fee during the week
2019-10-11 19:54:43	dxld	or at least sat-mon
2019-10-11 19:55:02	dxld	and then towards Dec prices go up exponentially ofc
2019-10-11 19:55:14	dxld	damn those skiing people
2019-10-11 19:56:29	fendor	haha :D 
2019-10-11 19:57:52	dxld	https://www.blackhome.at
2019-10-11 19:58:00	dxld	that's the ~80ish thing that's really close
2019-10-11 19:58:17	dxld	the "city east" one
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2019-10-11 20:00:15	fendor	looks nice as well
2019-10-11 20:01:54	dxld	https://hostel-innsbruck.com/english/prices/
2019-10-11 20:02:07	dxld	hmm, 36EUR/night for adults
2019-10-11 20:02:10	dxld	where's the catch?
2019-10-11 20:03:49	fendor	maybe a lot of children ;D 
2019-10-11 20:04:19	dxld	but for a single room that's pretty cheap
2019-10-11 20:04:28	dxld	probably has a shared bathroom or something
2019-10-11 20:04:42	dxld	but still as long as I don't have to be in a room with those said children ;)
2019-10-11 20:04:57	fendor	but then it would be even cheaper 
2019-10-11 20:05:02	dxld	public transport connection is also ok
2019-10-11 20:05:07	dxld	though with 8 min walk to the station
2019-10-11 20:05:27	dxld	dimishing returns, my friend, diminishing returns ;)
2019-10-11 20:05:53	dxld	for 8EURs more.. haha
2019-10-11 20:07:24	dxld	"All rooms are equipped with their own showers and toilets."
2019-10-11 20:07:26	dxld	huh
2019-10-11 20:07:32	dxld	that is unbelivable cheap then
2019-10-11 20:08:26	fendor	yeah, seems so
2019-10-11 20:08:50	dxld	and you don't even have to change trams or anything
2019-10-11 20:08:58	dxld	to get to the space I mean
2019-10-11 20:10:15	dxld	so yeah, we have a super cheap option and a couple of reasonable ones and ofc lots and lots of ultra fancy ones if someone wants to hehe
2019-10-11 20:11:22	mpickering	dxld: Someone asked me today how much difference putting EPS into a compact made
2019-10-11 20:11:42	dxld	did you try that?
2019-10-11 20:11:50	mpickering	no, not yet :)
2019-10-11 20:11:58	mpickering	but I mentioned it in my talk
2019-10-11 20:12:02	dxld	aah
2019-10-11 20:12:06	dxld	haskellx, right
2019-10-11 20:13:56	dxld	what was the talk about exactly?
2019-10-11 20:14:25	mpickering	space profiling
2019-10-11 20:14:30	dxld	ah
2019-10-11 20:16:52	dxld	lukelau: ping
2019-10-11 20:36:07	fendor	dxld, how can cabal-helper decide what component a FilePath is part of?
2019-10-11 20:37:03	dxld	it can't :)
2019-10-11 20:37:25	dxld	that's something we need the GHC API to do
2019-10-11 20:37:43	fendor	not even hacky?
2019-10-11 20:37:49	dxld	oh hacky sure
2019-10-11 20:37:56	dxld	but then you're duplicating a lot of code
2019-10-11 20:38:22	fendor	hm. Then I am not sure if cabal-helper can be integrated into the hie-bios version of hie
2019-10-11 20:38:56	dxld	how does hie-bios do this atm?
2019-10-11 20:39:11	dxld	because I thought it just doesn't
2019-10-11 20:39:22	dxld	or at least defers it to the build tool in the stack case
2019-10-11 20:39:33	fendor	it is specificied by the cradle, e.g. hie.yaml
2019-10-11 20:39:43	dxld	which is still going to be subtly wrong sometimes *shrug*
2019-10-11 20:40:11	dxld	well I mean the idea is to have this component detection code live in a ghc adjecent library somewhere
2019-10-11 20:40:34	dxld	so probably hie-bios but I'm not sure yet how to do that properly
2019-10-11 20:41:46	dxld	but unless undeclared home modules become a build time error I really don't see the build tool being able to answer that question accurately
2019-10-11 20:42:09	dxld	so there's just no way around calling into ghc's depanal here
2019-10-11 20:42:27	dxld	other than re-implementing it, which is what I had in ghc-mod
2019-10-11 20:45:56	dxld	but honestly with ghc 8.8+ it's probably like 5 lines of code to do this so I don't see why anyone would want to
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2019-10-11 20:51:24	fendor	dxld, the problem I have is the following: given a FilePath we have to decide which cradle to load. Currently, in c-h-h this happens by matching ciSourceDirs on the directory of the file 
2019-10-11 20:52:28	fendor	however, ciSourceDirs looks like it really is the source dir within a component. so, that comparison has to fail in my opinion for sub-packages
2019-10-11 20:59:45	dxld	yeah ciSourceDirs is hs-src-dirs essentially
2019-10-11 21:00:07	fendor	so, that isnt very useful, right? 
2019-10-11 21:00:14	fendor	in this scenario
2019-10-11 21:00:20	dxld	I mean that plus the package source dir is
2019-10-11 21:00:43	dxld	but still that's going to overlap for some components
2019-10-11 21:00:46	fendor	is the package source dir somewhere?
2019-10-11 21:01:00	dxld	that's a fairly recent addition
2019-10-11 21:01:07	dxld	not sure what fork you're working with :)
2019-10-11 21:01:49	fendor	https://github.com/wz1000/cabal-helper/tree/6c4880f7fa6e23a7f9d073bae3721f31b8d89e80
2019-10-11 21:02:17	dxld	pSourceDir is your friend
2019-10-11 21:02:33	dxld	yeah no that's way too old
2019-10-11 21:03:48	fendor	way too old?
2019-10-11 21:03:54	fendor	I can try to switch to current master
2019-10-11 21:04:04	fendor	would that be better?
2019-10-11 21:04:19	dxld	well yeah, master is where it's at :)
2019-10-11 21:04:37	fendor	makes sense ;D 
2019-10-11 21:05:07	dxld	but that fork is like three months old now
2019-10-11 21:05:16	dxld	that's forever in c-h terms
2019-10-11 21:05:43	dxld	this is why I hate submodules, nobody ever updates them :p
2019-10-11 21:05:57	fendor	yeah, I agree, submodules are horribly to work with and very fast out of date
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2019-10-11 22:27:30	lukelau	dxld: pong
2019-10-11 22:27:34	lukelau	am i too late
2019-10-11 22:31:53	lukelau	dxld mpickering: I gave my talk last night about the weak pointer/gdb stuff, but left out the details of memory profiling because it would have been too much to cover in that talk, will there be slides available for it?
2019-10-11 22:33:38	mpickering	I put the slides on my website
2019-10-11 22:36:14	lukelau	mpickering: cool, will check them out now
2019-10-11 22:37:20	mpickering	Look on my GitHub page for the link
2019-10-11 22:37:26	mpickering	I didn't post them uet
2019-10-11 22:40:10	dxld	lukelau: just wanted to ask if you would want to come to this tooling meetup thing too
2019-10-11 22:40:28	lukelau	is this separate from the GHC meetup?
2019-10-11 22:40:34	dxld	yeah
2019-10-11 22:41:30	dxld	I mean if everyone is going there anyways we might as well just do it there :)
2019-10-11 22:41:41	dxld	but it's soo long until then hehe
2019-10-11 22:41:47	lukelau	Depends on the time of year, but I’m definitely interested
2019-10-11 22:42:02	dxld	this or next month
2019-10-11 22:42:12	lukelau	I’m not going to be able to make the full week probably in March, got a full courseload work of credits next semester
2019-10-11 22:42:28	dxld	I was just thinking one weekend for this one
2019-10-11 22:42:33	lukelau	I could do that
2019-10-11 22:42:51	dxld	unless that's too short to be worth the flights for you
2019-10-11 22:43:43	lukelau	Also depends on the location
2019-10-11 22:44:00	dxld	I was thinking around here in innsbruck
2019-10-11 22:44:09	dxld	but if we find something better I don't really care
2019-10-11 22:44:12	lukelau	Probably doable, I don’t think thats too far from Ireland
2019-10-11 22:44:31	dxld	yeah we have an airport
2019-10-11 22:44:47	dxld	at least it goes to GTW, not sure about ireland, you might have to do a hop
2019-10-11 22:45:23	lukelau	google flights is suggesting stopping at frankfurt
2019-10-11 22:45:27	dxld	hmm easyjet doesn't go there
2019-10-11 22:45:32	dxld	bummer, that would have been cheap
2019-10-11 22:45:36	dxld	alanz has the advantage there
2019-10-11 22:45:37	lukelau	By the way here are the slides anyway https://lukelau.me/memoryLeaksHie.key
2019-10-11 22:45:43	lukelau	dxld: lol
2019-10-11 22:45:50	dxld	~40EUR for an easyjet flight from GTW to INN
2019-10-11 22:46:00	lukelau	jesus thats cheaper than some train tickets
2019-10-11 22:46:02	dxld	so we can also do london if we find a venue there ;)
2019-10-11 22:46:05	dxld	yup
2019-10-11 22:46:11	dxld	goes down to 30, 35 sometimes
2019-10-11 22:47:51	dxld	anyways layover in FRA is reasonable yeah
2019-10-11 22:48:16	dxld	so how flexible are you on dates?
2019-10-11 22:48:41	dxld	any weekend good?
2019-10-11 22:50:50	lukelau	Which month?
2019-10-11 22:50:55	lukelau	This semester most of them are free
2019-10-11 22:51:01	lukelau	i.e. up until january
2019-10-11 22:51:15	dxld	ok
2019-10-11 22:55:28	dxld	I was thinking pretty soon so in like a couple of weeks if everyone is available and hotels etc. are still reasonably cheap
2019-10-11 22:56:02	dxld	but I'll probably to a more comprehensive price optimization once I know who's coming from where
2019-10-11 22:56:40	dxld	you're coming from dublin, right?
2019-10-11 22:58:43	lukelau	yeah
2019-10-11 22:58:59	lukelau	do you know where other people are coming from roughly?
2019-10-11 22:59:25	dxld	alan, if he's coming from london I think
2019-10-11 22:59:29	dxld	a couple from vienna
2019-10-11 22:59:54	dxld	mpickering: do you feel like coming too?
2019-10-11 23:01:33	dxld	but I'm only starting to gauge interest
2019-10-11 23:11:16	alanz	dxld, tell me more?
2019-10-11 23:11:40	alanz	How many people, to do what, when?
2019-10-11 23:12:56	alanz	lukelau, ping
2019-10-11 23:35:41	lukelau	alanz: pong, this time for real haha
2019-10-11 23:38:13	alanz	we keep missing each other, I was about to step out
2019-10-11 23:38:27	alanz	I want to coordinate with you some time
2019-10-11 23:39:48	alanz	lukelau, my current (slow) goal is to get back into things by bringing my c-h-201910-az branch up to current with GHC 8.6.5, and then try to move it to GHC 8.8.1
2019-10-11 23:40:12	lukelau	ah thats right, i forgot you had started some work on the new c-h
2019-10-11 23:40:15	alanz	modulo the cabal 2.4/3.0 coexistance for tests problem I am hitting locally
2019-10-11 23:40:24	alanz	I had forgotten too, tbh.
2019-10-11 23:40:27	lukelau	lol
2019-10-11 23:40:36	alanz	It was so long ago I could last touch this stuff
2019-10-11 23:40:38	lukelau	Have you been trying it out with dxld/ghc-mod or alanz/ghc-mod
2019-10-11 23:40:59	lukelau	good to have you back, ive also been mainly absent the past summer myself
2019-10-11 23:41:01	alanz	well, with alanz/ghc-mod, which is a heavily hacked version
2019-10-11 23:41:13	lukelau	woops meant *cabal-helper
2019-10-11 23:41:20	alanz	basic intent is to make it work somehow, as a throwaway
2019-10-11 23:41:55	lukelau	I still have that PR up for integrating c-h with it but I had to also hack away at ghc-mod to get it to build
2019-10-11 23:41:55	alanz	yes, my c-h, but my plan is to get the current branch to work with dxld master, once I can get my tests running locally
2019-10-11 23:42:00	lukelau	cool
2019-10-11 23:42:12	lukelau	fendor has also started working on integrating it with hie-bios
2019-10-11 23:42:21	alanz	I think I have already gone most of the way on that.
2019-10-11 23:42:24	lukelau	and thats what im also playing at with at the moment, although specifically for ghc 8.8
2019-10-11 23:42:54	alanz	And I am pretty sure we are going to end up with hie-bios, so I guess I should maybe just toss the work I am considering as a waste of time
2019-10-11 23:43:29	alanz	But I figure I need to get my brain back into the game first, before looking too deeply into the hie-bios stuff
2019-10-11 23:43:37	lukelau	Yeah I’ve kinda left my branch to rot as well, it “feels” like its almost ready (fendor/mpickering can decide this)
2019-10-11 23:43:38	alanz	and understanding how it can play with ghcide
2019-10-11 23:43:50	lukelau	oh yeah, how did your meeting with neil go?
2019-10-11 23:44:25	alanz	it was very brief, and more about overall approach than anything else. Who owns the repos, what licenses, do we have any kind of CLA
2019-10-11 23:44:46	alanz	and we are in agreement. But I think he is away for another week, then will follow up
2019-10-11 23:44:58	alanz	in the meantime I am getting myself up to speed.
2019-10-11 23:45:06	lukelau	welcome back
2019-10-11 23:45:17	alanz	Anyway, need to go now. I need to get a decent bouncer running again.
2019-10-11 23:45:18	lukelau	i need to get up to speed to as well, past year Ive been fairly dormant
2019-10-11 23:45:24	alanz	thanks. You too
2019-10-11 23:45:41	lukelau	haha, i thought you were using matrix no?
2019-10-11 23:46:00	alanz	I did for a while. I guess I could/should put it back
2019-10-11 23:46:14	alanz	Basically let all that infra rot over the last few months.
2019-10-11 23:47:02	alanz	At least that works on mobile.  I now have a work laptop (a mac, have to learn a whole bunch of stuff), and only hit the IRC stuff after hours
2019-10-11 23:47:17	lukelau	lol
2019-10-11 23:47:28	alanz	never thought I would be one of those, tbh.
2019-10-11 23:47:33	lukelau	there’s no good IRC clients really for mac unfortunately
2019-10-11 23:47:57	lukelau	eh, mac isn’t windows, and its kinda like BSD
2019-10-11 23:48:12	alanz	Well, its that and also understanding the security model at the new place. Playing it safe for starters
2019-10-11 23:48:13	lukelau	so its not too bad once you get used to it
2019-10-11 23:48:32	lukelau	Oh, its your work machine?
2019-10-11 23:48:37	alanz	Yes, I think I will adapt
2019-10-11 23:48:39	alanz	yes
2019-10-11 23:48:53	alanz	I am now a FaceBook employee
2019-10-11 23:48:56	lukelau	be careful about what policies they have company IP :O
2019-10-11 23:49:03	lukelau	*have about
2019-10-11 23:49:11	alanz	Which is another thing I thought would never happen
2019-10-11 23:49:20	alanz	And yes, I have to register all my OSS stuff
2019-10-11 23:49:26	cocreature	just make sure you don’t end up like I did and have a desk with a windows laptop, a linux laptop and a mac mini because you have to debug weird issues :)
2019-10-11 23:49:27	alanz	anyway, time to go, chat later
2019-10-11 23:49:34	alanz	:)
2019-10-11 23:49:43	lukelau	good to hear from you, talk to you soon!
2019-10-11 23:50:03	lukelau	cocreature: and you were able to fix lsp-test on windows with it haha
2019-10-11 23:50:15	lukelau	paid off eventually!
2019-10-11 23:51:04	cocreature	:)
2019-10-12 00:02:06	mpickering	How was your talk lukelau ?
2019-10-12 00:02:30	mpickering	Mine is already online..
2019-10-12 00:04:09	mpickering	dxld: I don't want to travel anymore this year. Thanks for asking
2019-10-12 00:06:54	lukelau	mpickering: good! mostly an introduction to the rts + fiddling about in gdb, got to talk about dyepack and ghc-debug at the end
2019-10-12 00:10:02	mpickering	Good job
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2019-10-12 03:49:34	benkolera	lukelau: I'd really like to see that talk if it goes up as a vid. We recently had a really gnarly segfault from the GHC RTS and it'd be super helpful to have those tools in our belt. 
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2019-10-12 06:44:10	lukelau	benkolera: unfortunately no-one was filming (not that i was aware of anyway)
2019-10-12 06:44:26	lukelau	i do have a writeup on the whole process though https://lukelau.me/haskell/posts/leak/
2019-10-12 06:54:19	benkolera	Cool. Thanks lukelau ! 
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2019-10-12 17:19:28	fendor_	given a c-h unitinfo, can I somehow obtain the Unit pt? Because I want to access the pSourceDir of a Unit, which seems to be accessible via Package'.
2019-10-12 17:19:38	fendor_	Purpose is to fine the source dir of a unit.
2019-10-12 17:22:11	fendor_	or rather, how can I even obtain `Unit pt`
2019-10-12 17:22:23	fendor_	from a QueryEnv, preferably
2019-10-12 17:28:09	fendor_	another idea: I can use ProjInfo to traverse list of packages, to find the package I am interested in and look at its unit ids to find the unit I am really interested in right? Is that more efficient than calling `allUnits` or is it the same?
2019-10-12 17:29:45	fendor_	it is the same according to the impl
2019-10-12 17:38:15	dxld	fendor_: just don't use the allUnits function but use projectPackages and unitInfo directly
2019-10-12 17:38:28	dxld	that thing is really just useful for the most simplest of use-cases
2019-10-12 17:38:36	fendor_	dxld, yes I am currently trying that
2019-10-12 17:38:46	fendor_	but it is equally inefficient, right?
2019-10-12 17:39:28	dxld	how do you mean?
2019-10-12 17:40:06	fendor_	you said that allUnits is inefficient, iirc it loads every unit 
2019-10-12 17:40:39	dxld	projectPackages isnt though
2019-10-12 17:40:52	dxld	that only reads plan.json
2019-10-12 17:41:22	fendor_	oh, ok, great
2019-10-12 17:41:36	fendor_	then it seems I am on the right track
2019-10-12 17:41:43	dxld	I guess I should document the efficiency considerations better ;)
2019-10-12 17:42:25	fendor_	yeah, because I would not expect that a query initialises anything
2019-10-12 17:42:47	dxld	yeah that is a bit of a misnormer by now
2019-10-12 17:42:57	dxld	just haven't thought of a better name for the monad yet
2019-10-12 17:44:17	fendor_	I suppose it is hard. It would be probably better if the query and initialisation are somehow separate. E.g. you can only query stuff that is easily accessible.
2019-10-12 17:44:57	dxld	that would make the api quite a bit harder to use though, I think
2019-10-12 17:46:50	fendor_	More convoluted, yeah.
2019-10-12 17:47:37	dxld	and it's not really that complicated
2019-10-12 17:47:58	dxld	there's two steps that are kind of involved, that correspond to project and unit level information
2019-10-12 17:48:24	dxld	I just have to find a way to document that in a way that's comprehensible
2019-10-12 17:49:17	fendor_	the assumption that a file always belongs to a Unit or Package is probably wrong right? 
2019-10-12 17:49:30	dxld	not sure what you mean by that exactly
2019-10-12 17:49:40	dxld	units are part of packages
2019-10-12 17:49:56	dxld	so anything belonging to a unit would belong to the corresponding package also
2019-10-12 17:50:15	dxld	but in reality you can't really make that many assumptions about stuff like that in cabal land
2019-10-12 17:50:34	dxld	consider this: you can have `hs-src-dirs: /somewhere/entirely/different` :)
2019-10-12 17:51:00	dxld	or you can have in cabal.project: `packages: /some/out/of/tree/cabal/project.cabal`
2019-10-12 17:51:33	fendor_	I want to find for a FilePath the UnitInfo. For that, I am querying the Project for all Pacakges, look for which packge a file might belong to by FilePath and then do the same for the units of a package.
2019-10-12 17:52:02	dxld	yeah the package source dir is well defined, so that's a good start
2019-10-12 17:52:29	dxld	finding the corresponding unit is a bit tricky without ghc downsweep
2019-10-12 17:52:29	fendor_	ok, so, in general, it is just not possible to know for a FilePath to which unit it belongs right? Until the unit has been compiled?
2019-10-12 17:52:38	dxld	maybe we should just copy the code I have in ghc-mod for that for now :)
2019-10-12 17:53:07	dxld	well the problem is a file can belong to multiple components
2019-10-12 17:53:29	dxld	and potentially even multiple packages if you allow the absolute hs-src-dirs crap ;)
2019-10-12 17:53:37	dxld	(but that one is a bit esoteric so nvm)
2019-10-12 17:54:43	alanz	dxld, fendor_ , I am considering my best way forward right now. 
2019-10-12 17:54:49	fendor_	I mean, I can somehow see how that makes sense, but at the same time I am like, why...
2019-10-12 17:54:50	dxld	anayways to find the corresponding unit you have to interpret hs-src-dirs aka ciSourceDirs, which has some nasty implicit behaviour
2019-10-12 17:55:48	fendor_	what implicit behaviour does it have?
2019-10-12 17:56:14	dxld	iirc if it's empty it defaults to ["."] or something like that
2019-10-12 17:56:20	dxld	let me look it up in ghc-mod
2019-10-12 17:57:01	fendor_	alanz, regarding what in particular? ghcide, ghc 8.8.1, the hie-bios pr?
2019-10-12 17:57:19	alanz	all of the above. Let me know when we can talk
2019-10-12 17:58:58	fendor_	alanz, I have a bit more time than an hour, so now would be fine for me if that is enough
2019-10-12 17:59:44	alanz	plenty
2019-10-12 18:00:00	alanz	I just didnt want to interrupt what you and dxld are looking into
2019-10-12 18:00:01	dxld	fendor_: ok yeah, so if it's empty it defaults to the cabal package directory
2019-10-12 18:00:16	fendor_	dxld, that is fine, imo
2019-10-12 18:00:21	dxld	that's half of it and then cabal also adds the preprocessor output directory deep in dist/ to the search path
2019-10-12 18:00:27	dxld	that's a bit more tricky
2019-10-12 18:01:17	dxld	IIRC it does that as a pre-step in the `build` command so we can't get that from LocalBuildInfo
2019-10-12 18:01:50	dxld	figuring out how to fix that in c-h is on top of my todo list atm
2019-10-12 18:02:50	fendor_	alright... well, one of the dirs is the one I need, which is good enough for me
2019-10-12 18:03:12	dxld	i guess for the component detection you don't really need the preproc output dir ;)
2019-10-12 18:03:18	fendor_	yeah, exactly
2019-10-12 18:03:24	dxld	I mean people could go and edit files in there, but .. eh
2019-10-12 18:03:30	fendor_	great, that will be my way forward then, thx! 
2019-10-12 18:04:05	fendor_	alanz, now is fine, I think
2019-10-12 18:04:11	alanz	great
2019-10-12 18:04:17	dxld	are you planning on parsing module headers or somhow matching on the path to figure out which module goes where?
2019-10-12 18:04:41	dxld	in ghc-mod I parse the module header but I have a feeling we might be able to get by without doing that
2019-10-12 18:05:10	fendor_	dxld, no, just filePath and directory matching, which ought to work in at least 90% of the time
2019-10-12 18:06:12	dxld	give me a shout when you're implementing that or experimenting with it, I'd have to think about that a bit more
2019-10-12 18:06:13	alanz	So I understand that you guys (fendor_,dxld) are currently working on integrating c-h into the hie-bios PR 
2019-10-12 18:06:24	alanz	Is that correct?
2019-10-12 18:07:40	fendor_	yes it is. As the cradle if no hie.yaml can be found 
2019-10-12 18:07:51	fendor_	*default
2019-10-12 18:08:07	fendor_	dxld, will do! 
2019-10-12 18:08:24	alanz	great. Because my only reservation about the hie-bios initially was that it did not support c-h
2019-10-12 18:09:09	alanz	So in this case I will abandon my branch on integrating the new c-h, using a hacky version of ghc-mod.
2019-10-12 18:09:26	fendor_	yeah, we only need c-h and ghc-project-types atm
2019-10-12 18:09:26	alanz	And wait for this to complete, so we can merge
2019-10-12 18:09:50	fendor_	I hope that we are "ready" (e.g. feature complete) by the beginning of the next week, e.g. tuesday
2019-10-12 18:10:09	fendor_	then we would need a bunch of bug fixes and ui improvements
2019-10-12 18:10:20	alanz	Does it make sense to land the hie-bios PR soon, even without the c-h integration, so we are not running on an extended branch?
2019-10-12 18:10:40	alanz	ok, if it is that short then waiting makes sense
2019-10-12 18:11:08	fendor_	that is the pr that we need: https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/26
2019-10-12 18:11:14	alanz	And once it has landed I can focus more on GHC 8.8.1
2019-10-12 18:11:41	alanz	ok
2019-10-12 18:11:56	fendor_	and it is almost done. It works for simple projects, but fails for multi-component projects. I am trying to fix it and I think, after the discussion with dxld, we can craft something together very quickly
2019-10-12 18:12:22	alanz	nice
2019-10-12 18:13:03	alanz	So that is built on top of https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1126?
2019-10-12 18:13:11	fendor_	yes
2019-10-12 18:13:24	alanz	i.e. getting 1126 landed is something worth doing now
2019-10-12 18:13:40	fendor_	no, not necessarily
2019-10-12 18:13:50	fendor_	the pr #26 is against #1126
2019-10-12 18:14:05	fendor_	so, we would merge it into #1126
2019-10-12 18:14:08	alanz	so you want us to bring it in as a whole?
2019-10-12 18:14:26	fendor_	currently, yes, I actually didnt think about it too much
2019-10-12 18:15:07	alanz	It makes sense, there are people who run against master, so maybe bring it in as a whole, given the short remaining wait
2019-10-12 18:15:24	fendor_	yeah, I think so too
2019-10-12 18:15:38	fendor_	what would be necessary before hie-bios is merged, is another release of the current master branch
2019-10-12 18:20:07	alanz	ok
2019-10-12 18:20:28	alanz	I tried to do that a while back but hit the cabal 3.0 no coexisting problem
2019-10-12 18:20:38	alanz	in running tests on my local box
2019-10-12 18:20:49	alanz	I guess I can focus on a release
2019-10-12 18:20:56	fendor_	what is that problem?
2019-10-12 18:31:59	dxld	fendor_: ok so I think the filepath matching can work but you have to assume every module is listed in other-modules/exposed-modules, which is fair enough since GHC has a warning for that now
2019-10-12 18:32:13	dxld	we could even go so far as to throw an error in HIE if we detect that situation
2019-10-12 18:32:55	dxld	you just have to look at the module names in those fields and look through the src dirs in search order for the correspond file path
2019-10-12 18:33:27	fendor_	dxld, you mean if a file is neither a other-module nor a exposed-modules a warning should be emitted?
2019-10-12 18:33:33	dxld	yeah
2019-10-12 18:33:49	dxld	we can detect that in hie after loading the component/unit easily
2019-10-12 18:34:26	dxld	I think we could even just use -Werror=missing-home-modules :D
2019-10-12 18:34:38	dxld	not sure if that does what I think it does, but if it does, cool
2019-10-12 18:35:17	fendor_	hehe, we do actually explicitly disable that warning because for some reason, it was shown almost every time, although the files were in the exposed/other -modules
2019-10-12 18:35:44	dxld	ah
2019-10-12 18:35:47	dxld	that's likely a ghc issue
2019-10-12 18:35:51	dxld	or in hie-bios?
2019-10-12 18:36:05	dxld	if so you have to specify all the exposed/other-modules as targets in the ghc api
2019-10-12 18:36:11	dxld	then it wont wanr 
2019-10-12 18:36:42	dxld	that's how it knows if a home mod is missing you see, whether or not you specified it as a target if it's in the module closure after downsweep
2019-10-12 18:36:55	dxld	*depana
2019-10-12 18:36:59	dxld	*depanal
2019-10-12 18:37:04	fendor_	in hie-bios potentially
2019-10-12 18:37:18	dxld	if it always shows up I guarantee that's the problem
2019-10-12 18:37:23	dxld	haha actuall yeah
2019-10-12 18:37:36	dxld	hie-bios doesn't have an api to get those fields usually :P
2019-10-12 18:37:45	dxld	c-h ftw
2019-10-12 18:38:07	dxld	so just leave it disabled with the other cradle types and only do the -Werror thing with c-h
2019-10-12 18:38:16	dxld	that should work
2019-10-12 18:38:22	fendor_	yeah, that is possible, will try it!
2019-10-12 18:38:35	dxld	I love how simple this is!
2019-10-12 18:38:50	dxld	I just recently learned about -Werror=foo which is really neat for this
2019-10-12 18:40:09	fendor_	what does that do? Enable werror for a single module=
2019-10-12 18:40:10	fendor_	?
2019-10-12 18:40:33	dxld	turn a warning into an error but only for a specific warning
2019-10-12 18:40:40	fendor_	ah, that is cool
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2019-10-12 19:54:00	mpickering	I think you could turn on the error for the initialisation
2019-10-12 19:54:24	mpickering	but then you have to turn it off afterwards because you only load one filepath at a time rather than specifying all the files dependencies
2019-10-12 19:57:15	mpickering	I think have the warning in GHC is even a bit messy though. It would be cleaner if cabal properly sandboxed the builds so the build would fail with a missing file error
2019-10-12 21:25:38	fendor_	ok, so, first success. Now we find for a filepath the right unitid and consequentially, the right set of ghc flags. However, the module graph does only report the given file as part of the cradle... 
2019-10-12 21:26:24	fendor_	it is weird... reported set of flags is the same, though.
2019-10-12 21:27:29	fendor_	*are the same. Same in the sense of, the reported ghc flags for the main component lib:simpl and reported ghc flags for some sub-component lib:plugin which is a subpackage.
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2019-10-12 21:27:47	fendor_	ugh, I should try again...
2019-10-12 21:29:42	fendor_	I have a package simpl with three components, one of them is lib:simpl. The package simpl, has a sub-package "plugin" which only consists of lib:plugin. When I open lib:simple, cabal-helper works fine. When I open lib:plugin other exposed modules can not be found.
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2019-10-12 21:30:31	fendor_	In hie, I can see that the ghc module graph for lib:simpl is complete, while for lib:plugin, it only reports the File that has been opened in the editor
2019-10-12 21:31:34	fendor_	however, cabal-helper reports for both components the same ghc flags, minus some path differences
2019-10-12 21:32:42	mpickering	does it give all the modules in both cases?
2019-10-12 21:33:51	fendor_	the module graph or the flags? flags look like this
2019-10-12 21:33:51	fendor_	https://gist.github.com/fendor/f93fb8ee026c17fdb2eceb61d2e42c8f
2019-10-12 21:34:55	mpickering	So it doesn't list any targets?
2019-10-12 21:35:00	fendor_	doesnt look like it
2019-10-12 21:35:02	fendor_	but it works
2019-10-12 21:35:04	fendor_	i think
2019-10-12 21:35:13	mpickering	well I don't think it will
2019-10-12 21:35:43	mpickering	This is different behaviour to cabal which lists all targets when using v2-repl
2019-10-12 21:37:34	fendor_	this is the output with hie-bios, implicit stack cradle: https://gist.github.com/fendor/c7c6d6471bd7a17a98971503b343a045
2019-10-12 21:37:48	mpickering	yes the stack cradle does something different
2019-10-12 21:38:24	mpickering	the issue is that when you do the initial load to discover the module graph of the component
2019-10-12 21:38:34	mpickering	you will only load the fragment which you need to load the file
2019-10-12 21:38:38	mpickering	and get an incomplete graph
2019-10-12 21:38:54	fendor_	well, in the case of cabal-helper not even that
2019-10-12 21:38:54	mpickering	which means you would create another session if you load a module higher in the dependency tree
2019-10-12 21:39:59	fendor_	We could add the exposed modules and other modules to the flags, right?
2019-10-12 21:40:11	mpickering	yes that is what we should do
2019-10-12 21:40:28	fendor_	yeah, no biggie then
2019-10-12 21:41:03	mpickering	The flags you get seem to be not precisely the right ones still? As they contain `-O`, which cabal doesn't pass when using v2-repl but it's a small difference
2019-10-12 21:41:18	mpickering	if in future there is a `ghci-options` stanza then it will do the wrong thing
2019-10-12 21:41:21	mpickering	but something to keep in mind
2019-10-12 21:43:02	fendor_	ghci-options? Would that mean the flags passed to cabal repl would be different to cabal build?
2019-10-12 21:47:58	mpickering	It's a hypothetical extension
2019-10-12 21:51:00	fendor_	ok
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2019-10-13 00:38:57	fresheyeball	infinisil: hiya
2019-10-13 00:39:20	infinisil	(we're coming from #nixos)
2019-10-13 00:39:50	fresheyeball	https://gitlab.com/fresheyeball/Shpadoinkle
2019-10-13 00:40:02	fresheyeball	so this is the project I am currently in
2019-10-13 00:40:08	infinisil	I generally thought that HIE's support for multiple subprojects doesn't really work
2019-10-13 00:40:49	infinisil	Where did you read that it does?
2019-10-13 00:41:26	fresheyeball	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#features
2019-10-13 00:41:34	fresheyeball	> Supports plain GHC projects, cabal projects(sandboxed and non sandboxed) and stack projects
2019-10-13 00:41:52	fresheyeball	perhaps I misinterpreted that
2019-10-13 00:42:11	infinisil	Yeah there's many kinds of cabal projects
2019-10-13 00:42:15	infinisil	But there's https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#planned-features
2019-10-13 00:42:24	infinisil	> [x] Multiproject support
2019-10-13 00:42:30	fresheyeball	I read it specifically as cabal.projects
2019-10-13 00:42:43	fresheyeball	so I guess my bad, unsupported is unsupported
2019-10-13 00:42:57	infinisil	Well the multiproject thing there I think means cabal.project files and scuh
2019-10-13 00:42:57	fresheyeball	now I can try by writting shell.nix files for the subprojects
2019-10-13 00:43:02	fresheyeball	where v-1 style works fine
2019-10-13 00:55:12	fresheyeball	infinisil: I am very grateful for all the help on this
2019-10-13 00:55:20	fresheyeball	hie is worth the effort
2019-10-13 00:56:19	infinisil	fresheyeball: :D
2019-10-13 00:56:25	infinisil	What are you using now?
2019-10-13 00:56:37	infinisil	Like, what project structure?
2019-10-13 00:56:52	fresheyeball	Well most of my projects are single target v1 style
2019-10-13 00:57:35	infinisil	Fwiw, different *targets* from a single .cabal file work well for me
2019-10-13 00:58:05	fresheyeball	infinisil: I want to publish these as seperate libraries 
2019-10-13 00:58:21	fresheyeball	if it was all tests and exes, yeah one cabal flie
2019-10-13 00:58:30	infinisil	Yeah, just wanted to mention that
2019-10-13 00:58:43	fresheyeball	I wish I could have one cabal file and multiple library targets
2019-10-13 00:58:56	fresheyeball	instead of multiple cabal files, it feels over complex
2019-10-13 00:59:13	fresheyeball	ok dag nabit
2019-10-13 00:59:15	infinisil	I have a suspicion that mpickering's hie-bios branch could solve some of these problems
2019-10-13 00:59:17	fresheyeball	this still doesn't work
2019-10-13 00:59:34	fresheyeball	I wrote a shell.nix that builds a shell for one sub project
2019-10-13 00:59:38	mpickering	well I think ghcide will do a better job eventually
2019-10-13 00:59:43	fresheyeball	now if I enter the shell in the subproject v1 commands work
2019-10-13 00:59:47	mpickering	but something will probably be possible with the hie-bios branch
2019-10-13 01:00:06	fresheyeball	mpickering: should I use ghcide?
2019-10-13 01:00:12	fresheyeball	I think it's less complete
2019-10-13 01:00:27	mpickering	It won't work yet, my point is the design makes it possible to work better
2019-10-13 01:01:21	fresheyeball	nice, well that is cool
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2019-10-13 01:01:43	infinisil	I also have that suspicion, but I'm not too fond of splitting the already little efforts for a good IDE into more projects
2019-10-13 01:02:07	fresheyeball	well I have a shell now that is one project
2019-10-13 01:02:20	fresheyeball	and the same error
2019-10-13 01:02:25	fresheyeball	so maybe this is more interesting
2019-10-13 01:02:35	mpickering	well the plan is to merge the efforts I think
2019-10-13 01:02:48	mpickering	but to use ghcide as the foundation
2019-10-13 01:03:24	infinisil	fresheyeball: Btw, if you feel like compiling the hie-bios branch, I just added it to all-hies: https://github.com/infinisil/all-hies#hie-bios-versions
2019-10-13 01:03:50	fresheyeball	readCreateProcess: /nix/store/yfqq91fs2wpai3m2d0sxmn3li49yfgg6-cabal-helper-0.9.0.0/bin/cabal-helper-wrapper \"--with-ghc=ghc\" \"--with-ghc-pkg=ghc-pkg\" \"--with-cabal=cabal\" \"v1-style\" \"/home/isaac/_/Shpadoinkle/core\" \"/home/isaac/_/Shpadoinkle/core/dist\" \"package-db-stack\" \"flags\" \"compiler-version\" \"ghc-merged-pkg-options\" \"config-flags\" \"non-default-config-flags\"
2019-10-13 01:03:51	fresheyeball	\"ghc-src-options\" \"ghc-pkg-options\" \"ghc-lang-options\" \"ghc-options\" \"source-dirs\" \"entrypoints\" \"needs-build-output\" (exit 1)
2019-10-13 01:04:02	mpickering	thanks infinisil, we will hopefully merge soon
2019-10-13 01:05:00	fresheyeball	cabal configure, and cabal build work fine in this nix-shell
2019-10-13 01:05:03	infinisil	fresheyeball: The error being?
2019-10-13 01:05:07	fresheyeball	why would cabal-helper fail?
2019-10-13 01:05:23	fresheyeball	infinisil: ^^ (exit 1)
2019-10-13 01:05:41	fresheyeball	 \"entrypoints\" \"needs-build-output\" (exit 1): failed\n"}
2019-10-13 01:06:22	fresheyeball	oh shiza
2019-10-13 01:06:31	fresheyeball	I think I still have cabal.project as a root
2019-10-13 01:06:33	fresheyeball	sec
2019-10-13 01:07:58	fresheyeball	hmmm that wasn't it
2019-10-13 01:08:00	fresheyeball	same error
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2019-10-13 01:08:26	fresheyeball	its getting the directory right
2019-10-13 01:10:02	fresheyeball	I don't get it, it's finding the right root
2019-10-13 01:10:14	fresheyeball	there is a cabal file there with only one target
2019-10-13 01:10:20	fresheyeball	and it complains this way
2019-10-13 01:11:17	infinisil	fresheyeball: Can you run this long command yourself successfully?
2019-10-13 01:15:39	fresheyeball	https://pastebin.com/gZ8MWdKz
2019-10-13 01:15:42	fresheyeball	this is interesting
2019-10-13 01:15:47	fresheyeball	but not luck resolving so far
2019-10-13 01:16:19	fresheyeball	I also did an rm -r .cache/cabal-helper
2019-10-13 01:18:59	infinisil	fresheyeball: Did you run cabal update?
2019-10-13 01:19:11	fresheyeball	Warning: No remote package servers have been specified. Usually you would have
2019-10-13 01:19:12	fresheyeball	one specified in the config file.
2019-10-13 01:19:20	fresheyeball	I ran cabal v1-update
2019-10-13 01:19:38	infinisil	So did cabal update do anything?
2019-10-13 01:19:42	infinisil	or v1-update?
2019-10-13 01:19:51	fresheyeball	it gave the above warning
2019-10-13 01:19:56	fresheyeball	and that's it
2019-10-13 01:20:44	infinisil	Well that might be the problem
2019-10-13 01:21:06	infinisil	It works for me
2019-10-13 01:21:21	fresheyeball	infinisil: I always used nix for packages
2019-10-13 01:21:33	fresheyeball	never used cabal update before
2019-10-13 01:21:35	infinisil	Yeah but cabal update is still needed for this
2019-10-13 01:21:40	infinisil	It's ugly, but needed for now
2019-10-13 01:21:47	fresheyeball	where would I specify a remote package server?
2019-10-13 01:21:52	infinisil	mpickering's hie-bios branch will remove the need for this
2019-10-13 01:22:22	infinisil	fresheyeball: Do you have a ~/.cabal/config ?
2019-10-13 01:22:44	fresheyeball	yes apparently
2019-10-13 01:22:49	fresheyeball	it contains the following
2019-10-13 01:22:51	fresheyeball	nix: true
2019-10-13 01:22:58	fresheyeball	I have no recollection of making this file
2019-10-13 01:23:50	infinisil	Hm there's `cabal user-config init/diff/update`
2019-10-13 01:24:10	infinisil	In my file I have a section `repository hackage.haskell.org\n...`
2019-10-13 01:24:27	infinisil	Maybe try removing it then `cabal user-config init`
2019-10-13 01:24:43	infinisil	Then see if you also get such a section
2019-10-13 01:25:01	fresheyeball	already ahead of ye
2019-10-13 01:26:41	mpickering	fendor__: I can't remember for the 10th time whether we agreed to change the multi cradle to find first match or most specific?
2019-10-13 01:27:22	infinisil	fresheyeball: And did it work?
2019-10-13 01:31:00	fresheyeball	I don't know?
2019-10-13 01:31:17	fresheyeball	so that error is gone
2019-10-13 01:31:40	fresheyeball	but now my editor is slow and much less responsive
2019-10-13 01:31:48	fresheyeball	and none of the lsp commands seem to work
2019-10-13 01:32:03	fresheyeball	the current project is a single haskell file, so its not huge enough to be slow
2019-10-13 01:32:18	fresheyeball	looking at the logs I don't see any errors, but it doesn't look right either
2019-10-13 01:32:19	infinisil	fresheyeball: It takes a while to compile a cabal-helper, check your htop
2019-10-13 01:32:56	infinisil	Once this is done it should work
2019-10-13 01:33:03	fresheyeball	hmm ghc is eating 6.2%
2019-10-13 01:33:06	fresheyeball	which is pretty high
2019-10-13 01:33:14	fresheyeball	weird
2019-10-13 01:33:35	infinisil	Yeah wait until it's done
2019-10-13 01:33:44	fresheyeball	damn... 
2019-10-13 01:33:49	fresheyeball	its just like pegging one core
2019-10-13 01:33:59	fresheyeball	all these cores and compilers, am I right?
2019-10-13 01:34:06	fresheyeball	all dressed up no place to go
2019-10-13 01:35:24	infinisil	Yeah GHC doesn't take advantage of multiple cores for single modules
2019-10-13 01:36:09	infinisil	cabal-helper should be many modules though, maybe there's a tight neck though
2019-10-13 01:36:27	fresheyeball	also ux wise
2019-10-13 01:36:38	fresheyeball	I would have assumed this is just broken
2019-10-13 01:36:50	fresheyeball	not open up an htop and see ghc
2019-10-13 01:37:03	fresheyeball	and even if I did, I might thing the process is misbehaving and kill it
2019-10-13 01:37:53	fresheyeball	I certainly would not have thought... ok so I need to get some coffee because silently its working it's ass off in the background
2019-10-13 01:38:16	fresheyeball	maybe lsp can set a message telling the user to wait for cabal-helper to build?
2019-10-13 01:38:39	fresheyeball	also where is this artifact going?
2019-10-13 01:38:51	fresheyeball	am I going to have to wait while this builds for each subproject?
2019-10-13 01:39:03	infinisil	fresheyeball: Yeah it's far from ideal, which is a reason I'm hoping for the hio-bios thing to be merged soon
2019-10-13 01:39:24	infinisil	fresheyeball: This only happens once per cabal version. The results go in ~/.cache/cabal-helper
2019-10-13 01:39:40	fresheyeball	ok
2019-10-13 01:39:43	fresheyeball	hmmm
2019-10-13 01:40:00	fresheyeball	maybe there is a way to make the a symlink and include this artifact from nix
2019-10-13 01:40:26	fresheyeball	... building ...
2019-10-13 01:44:07	fresheyeball	    \#  //
2019-10-13 01:44:09	fresheyeball	     #_//
2019-10-13 01:44:11	fresheyeball	  \\ #_/_______
2019-10-13 01:44:13	fresheyeball	   \\# /_____/ \ 
2019-10-13 01:44:15	fresheyeball	    \# |+ ++|  |
2019-10-13 01:44:17	fresheyeball	    \# |+ ++|  |  << Building
2019-10-13 01:44:19	fresheyeball	^^^^^#^| H  |_ |^
2019-10-13 01:44:21	fresheyeball	     # ^^^^^^
2019-10-13 01:44:23	fresheyeball	_______/  /_____
2019-10-13 01:48:47	infinisil	Lol
2019-10-13 01:49:00	infinisil	There is a way but it would be complicated to integrate
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2019-10-13 01:50:44	fresheyeball	waiting while one core gets hammered on a lovely water cooled i9 is maddenningggg
2019-10-13 01:51:23	infinisil	Hmm that's weird though, I think this was parallel for me
2019-10-13 01:51:28	infinisil	for the most part
2019-10-13 01:52:41	fresheyeball	its just going and going
2019-10-13 01:53:25	infinisil	What does the process hierarchy look like?
2019-10-13 01:55:02	fresheyeball	nvim -> node -> hie-wrapper -> hie-8.4.3 -> cabal-helper-wrapper -> cabal -> ghc
2019-10-13 01:56:35	fresheyeball	can't I just cp my cabal binary to .cache/cabal-helper?
2019-10-13 02:43:53	fresheyeball	well it built
2019-10-13 02:43:55	fresheyeball	and it works
2019-10-13 02:43:57	fresheyeball	yay
2019-10-13 02:46:45	infinisil	Nice :D
2019-10-13 02:48:31	fresheyeball	omg
2019-10-13 02:48:34	fresheyeball	but not for test suites
2019-10-13 02:50:07	infinisil	With the same cabal file? Usually works for me after a couple seconds waiting
2019-10-13 02:58:15	fresheyeball	yes
2019-10-13 02:58:22	fresheyeball	I got the cabal-helper crash
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2019-10-13 04:05:43	fresheyeball	infinisil: so I got it to workish on the test suite
2019-10-13 04:05:48	fresheyeball	but it complains about not having the deps
2019-10-13 04:06:10	fresheyeball	oh wait
2019-10-13 04:06:12	fresheyeball	I know why
2019-10-13 04:08:02	fresheyeball	well that wasn't it
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2019-10-13 11:23:33	ibloom	Anyone have a moment to help me debug an install of hie on a Mac with Atom?
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2019-10-13 17:47:32	infinisil	ibloom: It's best to just state your problem upfront
2019-10-13 18:15:32	fendor__	mpickering, sorry, my notebook was online the whole night. We agreed that best fit would be the most intuitive behaviour
2019-10-13 19:54:51	mpickering	Ok I implemented it 
2019-10-13 19:56:01	fendor__	i am currently reviewing
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2019-10-13 20:09:17	fendor__	I still get an exception when the project does not compile or has certain errors: https://gist.github.com/fendor/3d07e05976e64e73f6a0eaf4ce241caa Afterwards hie is unresponsive
2019-10-13 20:11:21	mpickering	Ok, probably because I only caught one type of exception
2019-10-13 20:12:25	fendor	probably. It is so annoying to get the actual type of an exception
2019-10-13 20:18:32	mpickering	Yeah last time I just looked in the GHC source
2019-10-13 20:19:22	fendor	thats faster if you know where to look
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2019-10-14 18:42:59	fendor	I am running into this issue with stack: https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/issues/4853
2019-10-14 18:43:11	fendor	what the hell...
2019-10-14 18:52:09	cocreature	fendor: 8.0?
2019-10-14 18:56:29	fendor	cocreature, ghc 8.6.4
2019-10-14 18:56:39	fendor	https://app.circleci.com/jobs/github/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/1372
2019-10-14 18:56:51	fendor	it is fixed with stack 2.1.3
2019-10-14 18:57:01	fendor	but I dont know how to upgrade the stack version in CI T_T
2019-10-14 18:58:36	alanz	fendor: reset the hie_cache environment variable and rebuild 
2019-10-14 18:59:47	fendor	alanz, how do I do that?
2019-10-14 19:01:46	alanz	In circleci, click on the settings gear next to the build, and select environment variables 
2019-10-14 19:02:22	alanz	You will see it already set, add it again, with a different value. I generally use the current date
2019-10-14 19:02:35	alanz	And it is spelled in all caps
2019-10-14 19:05:03	fendor	alanz, thanks, will try that!
2019-10-14 19:05:11	fendor	or rather, I am trying it
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2019-10-14 19:07:38	mpickering	fendor: Have you tried h-i-e on a project with plugins recently?
2019-10-14 19:08:00	mpickering	I couldn't reproduce any failure when I tried this morning
2019-10-14 19:08:10	fendor	mpickering, no, but thanks for the reminder, will try to reproduce it
2019-10-14 19:10:52	mpickering	and basically I find it hard to believe plugins are not loaded as we call `load'`
2019-10-14 19:11:33	fendor	mpickering, I can reproduce it
2019-10-14 19:11:54	fendor	wait a second, just validate that the project indeed compiles
2019-10-14 19:11:57	fendor	yes
2019-10-14 19:13:23	fendor	mpickering, https://github.com/fendor/polysemy-hie-experiment
2019-10-14 19:16:21	fendor	which is funny, because `hie-bios flags app/Main.hs` reports flag with which I can compile the file just fine...
2019-10-14 19:18:16	mpickering	so you can reproduce the issue?
2019-10-14 19:18:31	fendor	yes, but I want to recompile hie to use current master of hie-bios to make sure
2019-10-14 19:27:32	mpickering	What if you do `hie-bios check app/Main.hs`?
2019-10-14 19:28:51	fendor	mpickering, no output, successful return
2019-10-14 19:31:19	fendor	but the error is shown in hie
2019-10-14 19:35:34	mpickering	right but at what point in HIE? 
2019-10-14 19:35:47	mpickering	It sounds like the issue is the wrong set of dynflags is used somewhere
2019-10-14 19:35:53	fendor	what produces diagnostics, I suppose, loadFile?
2019-10-14 19:36:00	fendor	probably
2019-10-14 19:37:53	fendor	arent the dynflags taken from Scheduler.hs?
2019-10-14 19:39:38	fendor	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/hie-bios/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Scheduler.hs#L302 
2019-10-14 19:39:46	fendor	and they are used in: https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/hie-bios/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/ModuleCache.hs#L130
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2019-10-14 19:51:16	jophish	Hi all
2019-10-14 19:53:35	fendor	hi
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2019-10-14 23:15:43	mpickering	fendor: Is the error about hspec-discover because it's not on your path?
2019-10-14 23:16:10	fendor	uhm... should it be?
2019-10-14 23:16:23	mpickering	how else would you expect h-i-e to find it?
2019-10-14 23:17:07	fendor	uhm... I dont know. Didnt think about it too much. Will try it immediately
2019-10-14 23:23:23	fendor	mpickering, yep, then it works! 
2019-10-14 23:23:27	fendor	i ll close the issue
2019-10-14 23:23:59	fendor	thank you!
2019-10-14 23:27:20	fendor	currently, the CI fails master of hie-bios. I already found out that the issue is with stack-cradles, with cabal, it works.
2019-10-14 23:27:28	fendor	But I dont know what actually caused that regression
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2019-10-15 00:19:23	jneira	hi fendor! i think you asked about multi-gradle tests, no?
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2019-10-15 00:20:37	fendor	jneira, hi! not sure, anymore, I can not recall, but may be right. However, I definitely would like some feedback, did you try cabal-helper?
2019-10-15 00:20:47	fendor	I fixed most of the issues you mentioned
2019-10-15 00:21:27	jneira	i've seen the pr was merged in hie-bios
2019-10-15 00:22:24	jneira	And the hie pr branch is updated too
2019-10-15 00:22:54	fendor	no, cabal-helper has not been merged into hie-bios yet
2019-10-15 00:23:07	fendor	dont scare me :D 
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2019-10-15 00:23:42	jneira	he, i mean the main pr in hie is update with hie-bios master: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1126/commits/c52a9827c1e724e3cc017aaa5a859574a41aee32
2019-10-15 00:24:11	fendor	yeah, but now two tests fail
2019-10-15 00:26:32	fendor	jneira, however, would you mind testing the current https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/26 branch on some projects? 
2019-10-15 00:26:40	fendor	especially the cabal-helper stuff?
2019-10-15 00:27:48	fendor	nvm, I need to debug it more
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2019-10-15 00:36:42	jneira	btw, amazing work in the entire war front, fendor :-D
2019-10-15 00:37:01	 *	alanz agrees
2019-10-15 00:37:17	alanz	In fact the whole hie-bios effort
2019-10-15 00:37:21	alanz	is great to see
2019-10-15 00:37:26	fendor	thank you :) hope it will work out!
2019-10-15 00:38:19	alanz	I'm sure it will, we just have to chip away until it does
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2019-10-15 03:25:12	alanz	So, I updated the CI script to do a "stack upgrade" before building, and now a large chunk of tests are failing. https://circleci.com/workflow-run/54d465f8-041e-4dea-be06-ab57febf8d7b
2019-10-15 03:25:40	alanz	Before this change it was green. https://circleci.com/workflow-run/26e7436b-0835-45e1-b473-db1b05c96921
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2019-10-15 04:31:52	jneira	so it is using stack-2.1.3 instead 1.9.3
2019-10-15 04:32:28	jneira	alanz: i've seen those errors in azure and i had to apply a workaround
2019-10-15 04:33:21	jneira	see https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/issues/78#issuecomment-538378774
2019-10-15 04:33:24	alanz	The one for install.Hs?
2019-10-15 04:34:13	jneira	compiling cabal-helper at runtime  before `stack test`
2019-10-15 04:35:07	jneira	mmm i remember there was a hack in TestUtils.hs .. ??
2019-10-15 04:35:27	alanz	Ok. I will look into it tomorrow. Unless someone else files a PR for it in the meantime :). We do need to get ci onto the latest stack
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2019-10-15 14:14:49	 *	jneira_ filling issues in dxld's cabal-helper 
2019-10-15 14:15:27	jneira_	dxld: sorry for pesting with so many windows issues
2019-10-15 14:15:33	jneira_	:-P
2019-10-15 14:16:53	jneira_	s/windows/windows and stack
2019-10-15 14:36:05	gitterbridge_hie	[jneira] Hi all!
2019-10-15 14:36:21	jneira_	he
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2019-10-15 16:16:46	jneira_	hi fendor, do you think we could merge https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1406?
2019-10-15 16:17:19	fendor	jneira_, sorry, didnt see that I was cc'ed. 
2019-10-15 16:17:38	fendor	If you and power-fungus are fine with it, you can merge it. 
2019-10-15 16:17:52	dxld	jneira_: it's ok, at least someone's testing it :)
2019-10-15 16:19:00	fendor	dxld, is it possible that ciGhcOptions are relative to the location of the unit?
2019-10-15 16:19:23	dxld	it should be all relative to pSourceDir
2019-10-15 16:19:58	fendor	ok, just making sure
2019-10-15 16:20:04	dxld	that's one of the multi-unit issues we still have to solve in GHC I think
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2019-10-15 16:33:23	fendor	I think that the virtual file regurarly gets out of sync with the original source. I can not reliably reproduce it, yet, but I observe multiple errors that report that something is unparsable, although the source is fine.
2019-10-15 16:34:45	fendor	jneira_, I also observed the behaviour about missing code actions. Since the test-cases succeed, I assumed this is a problem of vscode that will eventually get fixed
2019-10-15 16:35:31	fendor	jneira_, also, did you manage to compile c-h-h branch with stack? If yes, what version of stack? CI is failing to build it with stack 1.9.3
2019-10-15 16:47:27	jneira_	i've installed it with stack-2.1.3
2019-10-15 16:48:14	jneira_	after manually set the lower bounds of Win32 in c-h to >= 2.5.4.1
2019-10-15 16:48:34	jneira_	sorry for the confusion of tests results
2019-10-15 16:48:45	fendor	what confusion? I missed that :D 
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2019-10-15 16:49:56	jneira_	i had the path to hie executable set in the workspace and user settings and i forgot to change it testing the hie-bios/cabal-helper-helper/master
2019-10-15 16:50:48	fendor	yeah, that happens all the time when debugging multiple hie versions
2019-10-15 16:52:11	jneira_	but i am pretty sure i am testing master now: `Using hie version: Version 0.12.0.0, Git revision 25678ff006a09797b1bebcfc8be1346f2e495d29 (dirty) (3020 commits) x86_64 ghc-8.6.5`
2019-10-15 16:53:00	jneira_	and no quick fixes for mispelled functions in scope :worried:
2019-10-15 16:53:21	jneira_	with vscode 1.39.1
2019-10-15 16:53:40	fendor	yeah, same
2019-10-15 16:54:03	dxld	jneira_: the lib:Cabal compilation issue looks like a cabal bug to me
2019-10-15 16:54:07	dxld	that shouldn't be happening
2019-10-15 16:54:14	jneira_	i am gonna instal 1.38.1 to check it
2019-10-15 16:54:32	dxld	do all the executables it's passing to cabal actaully exist? particularly ghc-pmg?
2019-10-15 16:54:35	dxld	*ghc-pkg
2019-10-15 16:54:39	fendor	jneira_, i am using 1.38.1
2019-10-15 16:54:51	jneira_	dxld: i think i've seen that error in cabal issue tracker.. not sure though
2019-10-15 16:54:59	jneira_	oops
2019-10-15 16:55:19	dxld	if you get me the -v2/-v3 output I can probably debug whats going on
2019-10-15 16:55:38	dxld	but right now I'm not sure if that error is in cabal-install or Setup.hs
2019-10-15 16:59:34	jneira_	dxld: sure!
2019-10-15 16:59:59	jneira_	fendor: mmm weird, i think it worked with that version :-/
2019-10-15 17:00:25	fendor	jneira_, if it works with that version it is fine and it is a vscode issue
2019-10-15 17:06:07	jneira_	dxld: the last error is: `C:\Users\user\AppData\Roaming\cabal\store\ghc-8.6.5\package.db does not exist`
2019-10-15 17:07:22	fendor	does somebody know in current master hie, if you modify a sub-package, are the changes reflected in another package?
2019-10-15 17:09:22	dxld	jneira_: can you paste the whole log somewhere?
2019-10-15 17:09:32	jneira_	yeah
2019-10-15 17:10:25	jneira_	sorry, it is a warning
2019-10-15 17:10:52	jneira_	the last error is the same: `Distribution\Simple\GHC.hs:1959:5-56: Non-exhaustive patterns in Just ghcPkgProg`
2019-10-15 17:11:57	jneira_	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/3e39dc4411f4a6d2156c9003e46f64e5/pasted.txt
2019-10-15 17:12:50	jneira_	Not much info
2019-10-15 17:14:07	dxld	lots of info ;)
2019-10-15 17:14:16	dxld	it's telling me it's in cabal-install, not Setup.hs
2019-10-15 17:14:24	dxld	and during the "Reading installed packages" stage
2019-10-15 17:14:25	jneira_	oh, i see
2019-10-15 17:14:51	dxld	but it's really quite strange
2019-10-15 17:15:02	dxld	because at the top it does query ghc-pkg for stuff successfully
2019-10-15 17:17:44	jneira_	the cabal issue where i saw the error is: https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/5941
2019-10-15 17:17:59	jneira_	but it is closed as fixed in cabal-install-3.0.0.0
2019-10-15 17:18:38	jneira_	ha the fix was yours
2019-10-15 17:18:53	dxld	aah
2019-10-15 17:19:00	dxld	right I forgot I fixed that :D
2019-10-15 17:19:41	dxld	well there you go
2019-10-15 17:19:51	dxld	upgrade yo shite
2019-10-15 17:20:05	dxld	but I really should have a version gate for that
2019-10-15 17:20:28	jneira_	mmm but it was not included in the shipped version?
2019-10-15 17:20:44	dxld	should have been
2019-10-15 17:21:00	dxld	are you sure the cabal on path was built with 3.0?
2019-10-15 17:21:54	jneira_	jumm cabal-install version 3.0.0.0
2019-10-15 17:22:13	dxld	but what lib:Cabal version?
2019-10-15 17:22:21	jneira_	i'll try the official version downloaded from the site
2019-10-15 17:22:32	dxld	--version should say the Cabal version too iirc
2019-10-15 17:22:55	jneira_	the `compiled using version 3.0.0.0 of the Cabal library` part?
2019-10-15 17:23:04	dxld	yeah
2019-10-15 17:23:06	dxld	hmm
2019-10-15 17:23:21	dxld	it could still be that you installed a git snapshot or something?
2019-10-15 17:23:39	dxld	happens to me every once in a while, but you'd know about that I guess
2019-10-15 17:34:55	dxld	jneira_: I just checked and the fix did end up in the 3.0.0.0 release
2019-10-15 17:36:06	jneira_	i think i installed cabal with stack :-P
2019-10-15 17:36:21	dxld	so? that shouldn't break anything
2019-10-15 17:36:32	dxld	can you see what happens if you use --with-hc-pkg instead of --with-ghc-pkg?
2019-10-15 17:36:39	jneira_	ok
2019-10-15 17:40:42	jneira_	nah, with the version downloaded from https://downloads.haskell.org/~cabal/cabal-install-latest/cabal-install-3.0.0.0-x86_64-unknown-mingw32.zip the command works
2019-10-15 17:41:05	dxld	ok *shrug*
2019-10-15 17:41:16	jneira_	ainnns
2019-10-15 17:42:19	jneira_	thanks for your patience, i'll test it through hie and close the issue 
2019-10-15 17:45:13	jneira_	i wonder how i get that cabal version, it has to be some version i built from source to test something
2019-10-15 17:45:33	dxld	must have been yeah
2019-10-15 17:45:39	dxld	the last release didn't have this bug
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2019-10-15 18:20:01	jneira_	dxld: ok i've closed the issue but i am afraid that the path to the default store-dir `D:\Users\gbd\AppData\Roaming\cabal\store\ghc-8.6.5\package.db` (inexistent in my case) package db makes hie being not able to load the cradle through cabal-helper 
2019-10-15 18:21:22	jneira_	if i change it manually in `Cabal-3.0.0.0.package-env` it works
2019-10-15 18:22:10	jneira_	but i guess it is difficult to fix (it's pretty common to change the `store-dir` to avoid the max path windows issue, although i am not sure it it is needed anymore)
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2019-10-15 18:34:34	dxld	jneira: I'm not sure I understand
2019-10-15 18:35:27	dxld	so you have `store-dir: <...>` in .cabal/config (or whatever the win32 equivalent is)?
2019-10-15 18:39:32	dxld	tbh. that sounds like a cabal issue again xD
2019-10-15 18:40:16	dxld	the package-db is hardcoded in the env file, so as long as you had the store-dir setting in the config file when cabal-helper does the install command the right path should end up there
2019-10-15 18:40:39	dxld	sounds to me like cabal is not respecting that setting when writing the env file or something
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2019-10-15 20:47:49	jophish	Thanks for all the great work all!
2019-10-15 21:21:00	fendor_	so, multi project support is somewhat working with cabal-helper. 
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2019-10-15 23:08:11	mpickering	Nice job fendor 
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2019-10-15 23:23:56	alanz	mpickering, you use irccloud
2019-10-15 23:24:08	alanz	do you ever use a separate client for it?
2019-10-15 23:24:24	alanz	and if so does the scrollback work
2019-10-15 23:39:08	fendor	mpickering, thx, cabal-helper pr is now almost working, the only thing missing is more debugging, refactoring and way more documentation for that hacky piece of code.
2019-10-15 23:39:28	fendor	then we have to fix the tests and cabal-helper builds for stack and then we are probably good to go.
2019-10-15 23:45:16	mpickering	alanz: I just use the web client
2019-10-15 23:45:34	mpickering	Scroll back works but not that well if you have to scroll a long way
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2019-10-16 00:06:35	alanz	mpickering, ok, thanks. They are supposed to be able to do it for external clients, but it is not working for me. 
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2019-10-16 00:33:00	jneira	mmm weird thing the missed code actions in vscode
2019-10-16 00:39:10	fendor	did you find something? 
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2019-10-16 00:42:15	jneira	no, i was trying 1.38.1 in my windows 10 first, just in case but they are not there
2019-10-16 01:13:20	mpickering	I'm going to look into the plugins issue again now
2019-10-16 01:24:05	mpickering	fendor: Why in this repro is there no cabal file
2019-10-16 01:24:10	mpickering	but it uses the cabal cradle
2019-10-16 01:25:02	mpickering	I guess I just generate it with hpack.. `nixpkgs run haskellPackages.hpack -c hpack` is easy enough
2019-10-16 01:27:23	mpickering	ok I can reproduce it, thanks
2019-10-16 01:30:20	fendor	mpickering, sorry, yeah, I created it via stack new and was lazy
2019-10-16 01:30:50	mpickering	If we look at the logs it seems that the initial load works
2019-10-16 01:30:57	mpickering	but the call to `setTypecheckedModule` fails
2019-10-16 01:32:19	fendor	yeah, otherwise there would be no diagnostics, right?
2019-10-16 01:43:04	jneira	i've built hie in 53850877 before haskell-lsp-0.16 and it works
2019-10-16 01:45:09	mpickering	and it works after as well?
2019-10-16 01:58:09	mpickering	D: I can't understand the log output now it's not splurged out like it was before 
2019-10-16 01:58:53	fendor	mpickering, I feel your pain, the logs were way better structured :/
2019-10-16 01:59:30	mpickering	I managed to work out now how to enable them
2019-10-16 02:02:11	jneira	fendor: i've tested master (53acb904) again and quick fixes are not there
2019-10-16 02:02:13	fendor	I created a wrapper script that executes `hie-wrapper -d`
2019-10-16 02:02:47	fendor	jneira, What about the latest release? However, I am pretty sure, I tried the release as well and there were no quick actions.
2019-10-16 02:03:32	jneira	:+1:
2019-10-16 02:05:10	fendor	until proven otherwise I will assume this is the mistake of vscode. Even if I have to install another editor to prove it
2019-10-16 02:05:51	jneira	mmm well, the test suite is passing :-/
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2019-10-16 02:07:44	fendor	yeah and I suppose someone would have opened an issue, right? I am gonna test it on atom or maybe neovim. Or maybe emacs if I want to ever cross that bridge
2019-10-16 02:11:57	jneira	i have emacs with  haskell-lsp plugin installed...
2019-10-16 02:19:24	mpickering	perhaps it just proves no one uses the feature
2019-10-16 02:19:32	mpickering	or that we haven't done a release since it broke
2019-10-16 02:20:19	alanz	release of what?
2019-10-16 02:26:14	fendor	mpickering, i've been using it quite often. To import symbols 
2019-10-16 02:26:36	mpickering	:)
2019-10-16 02:26:44	mpickering	alanz: haskell-ide-engine
2019-10-16 02:26:51	fendor	alanz, in hie, no code-actions are shown
2019-10-16 02:26:57	mpickering	or I suppose people probably don't upgrade so they can continue to complain about high memory usage
2019-10-16 02:27:04	alanz	not for two months or more
2019-10-16 02:28:05	alanz	and right now the environment with cabal-3.0 and stack-2.1.3 makes things a bit dodgy, for me at least
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2019-10-16 02:28:27	alanz	So I reckon a new release after hie-bios lands, with cabal-helper-1.0 support in it
2019-10-16 02:28:51	mpickering	I think fendor wants to do a release beforehand
2019-10-16 02:29:06	fendor	yeah, since I expect a lot of stuff to break
2019-10-16 02:30:04	alanz	I know. Hence my current PR, it at least gets most of the tests to pass for me, once cabal-helper compiles itself, through actually lauching hie, not under stack
2019-10-16 02:31:18	alanz	So hopefully that can form the basis for a new release, with resolver updates
2019-10-16 02:33:15	fendor	jneira, with the latest release 0.12.0.0, I am able to obtain code actions
2019-10-16 02:33:31	fendor	so, shit, we broke it
2019-10-16 02:35:33	fendor	alanz, some of these change, we actually implemented in hie-bios, iirc
2019-10-16 02:36:13	fendor	as well
2019-10-16 02:37:34	mpickering	fendor: Was it you who was saying to me before about how insane the DynFlags passing logic is in GHC?
2019-10-16 02:38:10	fendor	mpickering, no, I dont understand enough about it to even complain
2019-10-16 02:39:17	jneira	i am afraid haskell-lsp 0.16 would be the first suspect imo
2019-10-16 02:40:21	alanz	fendor: that is why I want to get it merged
2019-10-16 02:41:20	fendor	alanz, great! I think it looks good! Side question, why is there only circleci for a single ghc version?
2019-10-16 02:42:06	alanz	What do you mean?
2019-10-16 02:42:24	mpickering	fendor: I think I fixed the plugin issue
2019-10-16 02:43:01	fendor	mpickering, cool! what was the problem?
2019-10-16 02:43:29	mpickering	Needed to insert a call to `initialisePlugins` in `hie-bios` when we overwrote the frontend action
2019-10-16 02:43:42	mpickering	I will put up a PR, can you also test it just to check 
2019-10-16 02:43:46	mpickering	seems to work for me in both situations
2019-10-16 02:43:57	mpickering	options in cabal file and options in module
2019-10-16 02:44:54	fendor	sure will test it
2019-10-16 02:45:18	alanz	fendor: my PR updates the stack.yaml to be used for ghc 8.6.5 to be the 8.6.5 one rather than nightly. Hence one change only
2019-10-16 03:03:43	fendor	jneira, I just reverted changes of the haskell-lsp 0.16 change and indeed, now the code actions are back!
2019-10-16 03:03:59	fendor	even on current "master" of cabal-helper-helper 
2019-10-16 03:05:23	mpickering	Add support for CodeActionOptions
2019-10-16 03:05:25	mpickering	perhaps?
2019-10-16 03:05:36	mpickering	or "Fix diagnostic code parsing"
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2019-10-16 03:08:20	mpickering	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/178/files#diff-b80e319ce786a716624a46ebe9a6e148R692
2019-10-16 03:08:24	fendor	whatever it is, it is good that we were able to identify the evil package! 
2019-10-16 03:08:38	mpickering	This derived instance probably doesn't do what he thought it did?
2019-10-16 03:08:45	mpickering	which means the `codeActionProvider` is always Nothing
2019-10-16 03:09:03	fendor	oh, so we probably just have to enable it in hie?
2019-10-16 03:09:07	fendor	sounds great
2019-10-16 03:09:32	mpickering	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/178/files#diff-690cb0cd60c65fc445b90fa82263d938L849
2019-10-16 03:09:45	mpickering	I don't know what that change is doing
2019-10-16 03:10:13	jneira	fendor: nice, it is cornered
2019-10-16 03:10:48	fendor	neither, but it seems fishy a bit
2019-10-16 03:13:33	mpickering	Yeah - hieOptions
2019-10-16 03:13:39	mpickering	Look in `LspStdio.hieOptions`
2019-10-16 03:13:46	mpickering	The options need to be set there
2019-10-16 03:14:07	fendor	thanks, will try immediately
2019-10-16 03:15:12	alanz	Its supposed to be set only if there is a codeactionshandler defined
2019-10-16 03:15:15	fendor	still dont know what the static suffix is for some of the options
2019-10-16 03:15:22	alanz	thats what the supported thing does
2019-10-16 03:15:35	alanz	but it changed from a simple bool to something more complex
2019-10-16 03:16:32	mpickering	The code in `haskell-lsp` should probably check that if `codeActionHandler` is `Just _` then `codeActionProvider` is also `Just _`
2019-10-16 03:16:37	mpickering	or enforce that somehow
2019-10-16 03:16:50	alanz	that what it used to do
2019-10-16 03:17:23	mpickering	right
2019-10-16 03:17:32	mpickering	so you can see that's how it works for `typeDefinitionProvider`
2019-10-16 03:17:32	alanz	i.e. "supported (CodeActionProvider o)" does that
2019-10-16 03:17:58	alanz	But I think the code action thing ended up with different options, somehow
2019-10-16 03:18:04	mpickering	So I think `codeActionProvider` should be implemented like `typeDefinitionProvider`?
2019-10-16 03:18:26	mpickering	So fendor can you patch `haskell-lsp` to make that change?
2019-10-16 03:18:42	alanz	I think the supported test should still be used on it, because if there is no handler it does not matter what the setting is
2019-10-16 03:19:10	mpickering	No the `supported` function is not suitable I don't think
2019-10-16 03:19:20	mpickering	but something similar to `static` is
2019-10-16 03:19:25	alanz	yes, agree
2019-10-16 03:19:30	mpickering	So I agree with you but not the precise details
2019-10-16 03:22:01	fendor_	as a quick test, I modified the hieOptions to https://gist.github.com/fendor/417f76061c34de58521ff4b38fca50f8 and confirmed that it works again which it does
2019-10-16 03:22:59	alanz	how do the functional tests pass with this?
2019-10-16 03:23:09	alanz	for hie
2019-10-16 03:23:42	fendor_	I dont know, but they do
2019-10-16 03:24:19	mpickering	Are there some tests for code action?
2019-10-16 03:25:12	fendor_	yeah, there are 
2019-10-16 03:25:28	fendor_	or at least, supposedly
2019-10-16 03:26:08	fendor_	there are multiple, e.g. to import symbols that are in scope we use the code actions
2019-10-16 03:26:27	fendor_	maybe lsp-test is setting different options?
2019-10-16 03:27:25	alanz	yes, thats right. With the current setup you need to explicitly enable it in the hie options
2019-10-16 03:27:54	mpickering	but isn't this about what the server advertises fendor ?
2019-10-16 03:29:25	fendor_	yess... it should be... no clue why the tests worked. 
2019-10-16 03:31:23	alanz	I think the default options in haskell-lsp have it enabled
2019-10-16 03:31:42	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs#L965-L976
2019-10-16 03:31:59	mpickering	I bet what's happening here is that haskell-lsp just ignores what capabilities a server advertises?
2019-10-16 03:32:30	mpickering	lsp-test sorry
2019-10-16 03:32:57	alanz	could be
2019-10-16 03:33:07	alanz	because the default is Nothing
2019-10-16 03:33:29	fendor_	bed-time for me, I will try to submit a patch tomorrow!
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2019-10-16 03:33:57	alanz	sounds good
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2019-10-16 09:57:31	jneira	wow quick diagnostic and fix
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2019-10-16 12:35:00	mpickering	jneira: A good bug report makes it easy to find the problem
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2019-10-16 14:19:27	jneira_	yeah, i still had no time to provide more info for https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/32
2019-10-16 14:20:32	jneira_	i've tested lastest versions of both branches (hie-bios and cabal-helper-helper) and hover doesn't respond within dhall-haskell
2019-10-16 14:21:12	jneira_	(reverting the haskell-lsp-0.16 merge just in case it was related
2019-10-16 14:21:15	jneira_	)
2019-10-16 14:28:36	fendor	dxld, is this a problem with c-h or did I something wrong? https://gist.github.com/fendor/019f1357aa5b457fc12e453529551816
2019-10-16 14:38:52	mpickering	I think there are two components called `test:tasty`? Do you need `dhall:tasty` perhaps?
2019-10-16 14:39:02	mpickering	I'm unsure of the example component specification syntax
2019-10-16 14:51:43	fendor	i do need dhall:tasty. Question is still, whose responsibility is this? c-h-h or c-h? 
2019-10-16 14:52:27	jneira_	i think `dhall:test:tasty` will work if you are in the root, and `:test:tasty`works inside the dhall subdir
2019-10-16 14:52:51	jneira_	(or `dhall:tasty` in the root and `tasty`in the subdir)
2019-10-16 14:54:07	jneira_	i've got that error with the c-h-h too
2019-10-16 14:55:50	jneira_	i would bet that is `cabal-helper, did you try to run the cabal-helper command directly in the console setting `CABAL_HELPER_DEBUG=1`?
2019-10-16 14:58:13	fendor	no, I didnt. 
2019-10-16 14:58:19	jneira_	oh, the cabal-helper command actually executed is not displayed in the log
2019-10-16 14:58:31	fendor	whose log?
2019-10-16 15:01:00	fendor	so, it is fine if I blame c-h-h for now?
2019-10-16 15:01:08	jneira_	sorry, it seems it is not cabal-helper... 
2019-10-16 15:01:12	fendor	dammit
2019-10-16 15:01:19	jneira_	i did a change to make it fail
2019-10-16 15:01:54	jneira_	and it even didnt try to  create the cabal-helper cache dir
2019-10-16 15:02:26	jneira_	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/222d19522a146d1c0c81a00a46037dc1/pasted.txt
2019-10-16 15:02:50	jneira_	that is the log oponing vscode in a simple cabal project
2019-10-16 15:02:53	jneira_	*opening
2019-10-16 15:03:25	jneira_	you can see first the cabal builds and then the failed cabal-helper call
2019-10-16 15:04:26	mpickering	I think is you run `cabal v2-repl test:tasty` it will also fail?
2019-10-16 15:06:45	jneira_	it does...
2019-10-16 15:08:15	jneira_	i guess test:tasty would work if there isnt another package (dhall-json) with it
2019-10-16 15:08:29	jneira_	in fact, if you remove dhall-json from cabal.project it works
2019-10-16 15:08:37	jneira_	(just tested it)
2019-10-16 15:09:23	mpickering	seems like everything is working as expected
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2019-10-16 15:13:26	jneira_	mpickering: mmm it is a special case but that coincidence makes stall the cradle init
2019-10-16 15:13:49	mpickering	with an explicit config or using c-h?
2019-10-16 15:14:09	jneira_	using c-h
2019-10-16 15:14:16	mpickering	ok then it's a bug in c-h
2019-10-16 15:16:02	jneira_	uh sorry, i wanted to mean that the bug is triggered using the c-h-h branch of hie,
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2019-10-16 16:25:27	mpickering	fendor: There are so many unused functions and confusing bits of hie-bios
2019-10-16 16:25:32	mpickering	we really should sort that out at some point
2019-10-16 16:25:52	fendor	mpickering, hie/hie-bios repo or hie-bios repo?
2019-10-16 16:26:00	mpickering	hie-bios repo
2019-10-16 16:26:08	mpickering	ie, everything of my own doing
2019-10-16 16:26:41	fendor	The ghc stuff? Because the rest seems pretty alright, imo
2019-10-16 16:26:50	mpickering	I still find it all confusing
2019-10-16 16:27:04	mpickering	and not everything you need is exported from the top level module
2019-10-16 16:27:08	mpickering	the GHC stuff ist he worst bit
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2019-10-16 16:30:30	fendor	I have to actually understand the GHC stuff, first. But at least the size is manageable
2019-10-16 16:36:25	mpickering	I attempted to fix the plugins patch to work with all GHC versions
2019-10-16 16:38:20	fendor	I like that the logging messages are more meaningful
2019-10-16 16:40:41	fendor	but CI is stil mad at you
2019-10-16 16:52:45	fendor	so, cabal-helper works for a lot of cases. It needs a review for sanity. After that, I think the issue that virtual file and physical get out of sync is very annoying
2019-10-16 16:54:12	fendor	and the build needs to be fixed again
2019-10-16 17:02:10	mpickering	yes, seems like another concurrency bug?
2019-10-16 17:02:37	fendor	probably
2019-10-16 17:04:10	fendor	I will look into it, once we fix the tests and c-h CI
2019-10-16 17:05:22	mpickering	It's quite hard to imagine how the VFS gets so badly out of sync though
2019-10-16 17:05:28	mpickering	some combination of saving and typing
2019-10-16 17:06:37	mpickering	perhaps you should try using `-c` to record a session and then use lsp-test in order to try to reproduce the bug
2019-10-16 17:06:50	mpickering	then you can delete stuff from the file until there's a more minimal case
2019-10-16 17:07:23	fendor	that's a smart idea! will do that
2019-10-16 17:07:45	mpickering	lsp-test doesn't preserve timings though
2019-10-16 17:07:48	mpickering	so could mask the issue
2019-10-16 17:08:32	mpickering	there are only two threads right.. so how hard can it be to find the race..
2019-10-16 17:08:37	fendor	hmpf. we need to fix the tests first, anyways
2019-10-16 17:10:03	mpickering	fendor: How do I see the failing tests?
2019-10-16 17:10:12	mpickering	do you know why they are failing?
2019-10-16 17:11:09	fendor	mpickering, https://circleci.com/workflow-run/459241f8-5dbd-4dae-962f-8ec24600bab4
2019-10-16 17:11:13	fendor	mpickering, no, no idea.
2019-10-16 17:11:26	fendor	I think it is stack-cradle related
2019-10-16 17:11:44	fendor	because when I force the test to be a cabal-cradle, it works
2019-10-16 17:12:47	mpickering	I don't have permission to look at that page
2019-10-16 17:12:53	fendor	really? wtf.
2019-10-16 17:13:06	fendor	not even this? https://app.circleci.com/jobs/github/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/10158/tests
2019-10-16 17:13:32	fendor	these are just the details for the CI results of #1126
2019-10-16 17:13:46	mpickering	ok I logged in and now I can
2019-10-16 17:13:55	mpickering	perhaps the issue here is that the stack cradle doesn't list all its targets?
2019-10-16 17:13:59	mpickering	so the module graph isn't complete?
2019-10-16 17:14:10	fendor	probably, but why did it work before
2019-10-16 17:14:30	fendor	the tests succeeded before that one commit
2019-10-16 17:15:28	mpickering	which one commit?
2019-10-16 17:15:45	fendor	this commit https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1126/commits/c52a9827c1e724e3cc017aaa5a859574a41aee32
2019-10-16 17:15:50	fendor	which updates hie to use master of hie-bios
2019-10-16 17:16:08	fendor	you can see it https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1126 by pressing on the red cross left to the commit
2019-10-16 17:16:26	fendor	there you can see taht CI succeeded before updating hie-bios to master
2019-10-16 17:16:34	fendor	but I could not find a change to the stack cradle.
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2019-10-16 18:06:01	mpickering	fendor: Perhaps the problem is that I removed the call to `cacheModules`
2019-10-16 18:06:05	mpickering	in `hie-bios`
2019-10-16 18:06:30	fendor	Might be possible. 
2019-10-16 18:11:19	fendor	you mena in hie hie-bios, right?
2019-10-16 18:11:30	mpickering	yes apparently
2019-10-16 18:11:39	mpickering	but hmm that wouldn't make sense then
2019-10-16 18:11:44	mpickering	it is a bit confusing
2019-10-16 18:11:59	mpickering	perhaps I just made a mistake with all these changes in hie-bios to do with multi-cradle
2019-10-16 18:12:10	mpickering	I looked quite carefully at the stack cradle and couldn't see anything seriously wrong
2019-10-16 18:14:07	fendor	maybe we have to bisect hie-bios submodule dep.
2019-10-16 18:27:39	fendor	ill see if I can bisect it after my lecture has finished
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2019-10-16 20:27:53	fendor	i dont know. Maybe the stack cradle was always broken for some random reason, we never realized it
2019-10-16 20:45:33	fendor	alanz, can we upgrade CI stack version to 2.1.3?
2019-10-16 20:46:59	alanz	fendor, I would like to see that happen
2019-10-16 20:47:32	alanz	And it will help to have that PR of mine land, have not checked its CI status yet today
2019-10-16 20:48:05	fendor	great, then I will experiment with it.
2019-10-16 20:48:11	alanz	I just merged it, it helps with the new stack
2019-10-16 20:48:29	alanz	And the circleci config now has a commented-out stack upgrade in it
2019-10-16 20:49:42	fendor	thanks! gotta go, will report results
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2019-10-16 21:13:42	jophish	Does/should the hie-bios branch support renaming with HaRe?
2019-10-16 21:14:04	mpickering	I believe there are some tests for that, so in theory it should?
2019-10-16 21:14:05	jophish	because it's reporting that capability dynamically registered, and then never registering it
2019-10-16 21:14:24	mpickering	perhaps you are running into the issue that code actions are broken
2019-10-16 21:14:30	jophish	is there a better way for me to test this than opening a file in vim and trying to rename something?
2019-10-16 21:14:38	mpickering	not sure if that's the same category or not
2019-10-16 21:15:32	jophish	well, what's I'm doing is: :echo CocHasProvider("rename")
2019-10-16 21:15:34	jophish	in vim
2019-10-16 21:15:37	jophish	and it says false
2019-10-16 21:15:49	jophish	as far as I can tell, this rename provider is different from code actions
2019-10-16 21:16:10	jophish	although I get false as well for CocHasProvider("codeActions")
2019-10-16 21:16:15	jophish	codeAction*
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2019-10-16 21:53:05	jophish	How long should I expect the dispatcher-test to run, it's been going for quite some time
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2019-10-17 00:16:32	alanz	fendor, what happened to enabling codeactions in haskell-lsp?
2019-10-17 00:16:56	fendor	alanz, I did not have enough time today.
2019-10-17 00:17:08	alanz	ok, do you want me to tackle it?
2019-10-17 00:18:40	fendor	hm, on the one hand, yes, because I dont understand the proposed fix, on the other hand, I would like to understand it...
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2019-10-17 00:22:10	alanz	ok, I am fine either way, will carry on with other stuff so long.
2019-10-17 00:22:26	alanz	Checking that ghc-exactprint works with current master
2019-10-17 00:23:39	fendor	I am taking a look, one of the suggestions was to use static, right? what is the difference to supported? Except that the types dont check out
2019-10-17 00:25:35	alanz	supported expects the handler to be a Maybe, and returns true or false depending on that
2019-10-17 00:25:49	alanz	static does a more complex test, I have not looked yet
2019-10-17 00:26:10	alanz	but the codeChange return value is more complicated now, not just a bool. 
2019-10-17 00:26:23	fendor	yeah, therefore it must be similar to static
2019-10-17 00:26:25	alanz	So I would expect that if there is a handler, return the value from the options
2019-10-17 00:26:49	alanz	otherwise it does not matter what the option says, it will never generate a code action
2019-10-17 00:27:15	alanz	That is the basic principle of it.
2019-10-17 00:27:40	fendor	what static does is if there is a gotoProvider, use it, otherwise try if there is a handler for it, if yes, use `GotoOptionsStatic True`
2019-10-17 00:27:56	fendor	we could clone that for codeActionProvider
2019-10-17 00:29:24	alanz	ok, I think codeaction provider is simpler, because if there is one, the only variation is if it only supports certain categories, which is what that config captures. Opening the project to confirm my thoughts 
2019-10-17 00:35:48	alanz	This is the capability result for codeactions: https://gist.github.com/alanz/e1bc1125394a6af2bdd31b394618fc49
2019-10-17 00:36:16	alanz	Which basically means we either return the whole thing, or nothing, depending on if there is a handler.
2019-10-17 00:38:43	fendor	so the provider does not matter?
2019-10-17 00:38:58	alanz	And basically if the option is Nothing, we must return a default version for it, so False []
2019-10-17 00:39:40	alanz	the provider does matter. but only if it is supported, ie has a handler
2019-10-17 00:40:36	alanz	so if the handler is nothing, we return Nothing
2019-10-17 00:41:16	alanz	if the handler is just, and codeActionPRovider is Just, we return it
2019-10-17 00:41:31	alanz	otherwise we return a default value
2019-10-17 00:41:46	alanz	that means supported, with static registration
2019-10-17 00:41:53	alanz	and no specific kinds
2019-10-17 00:48:28	fendor_	so, something similar to this? https://gist.github.com/fendor/b12a64d6d96e281d34abbbd44d3362d6
2019-10-17 00:50:21	alanz	similar, but it only takes one param, and needs some definition of the default value
2019-10-17 00:50:53	alanz	So the codeActionProvide option is just to fine-tune support
2019-10-17 00:52:17	alanz	hmm, maybe you are right. What is CodeActionsStatic? the default value?
2019-10-17 00:53:04	alanz	yes, that should do it
2019-10-17 00:53:48	fendor	i dont see a default value at all
2019-10-17 00:54:05	alanz	The CodeActionsStatic True 
2019-10-17 00:54:17	alanz	but the logic is wrong, let me tweak it
2019-10-17 00:56:24	alanz	And as you have it is as I would do it, I was going to put a "static' _ Nothing' case but it is not needed
2019-10-17 00:58:55	fendor	So, is that a good change? is it bad that we would have both `static` and `static'` with minor differences?
2019-10-17 01:02:16	alanz	I was wondering about that, but not sure what is a better name.  Perhaps use staticTypeDef and staticCodeAction
2019-10-17 01:02:22	alanz	but that is a bit long
2019-10-17 01:02:48	alanz	it *is* just a helper function in local scope
2019-10-17 01:03:12	fendor	alright. So, open pr?
2019-10-17 01:03:23	alanz	please
2019-10-17 01:04:08	fendor	ok, thanks for walking me through this, I understand a bit more
2019-10-17 01:07:26	alanz	no problem. The more people who understand this the better
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2019-10-17 01:11:53	fendor	lol, stack ci of haskell-lsp has the same problem I am currently battling in c-h-h branch
2019-10-17 01:12:23	fendor	https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-lsp/1621?utm_campaign=vcs-integration-link&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=github-build-link
2019-10-17 01:13:22	alanz	you need to reset the cache var to cleat things.
2019-10-17 01:13:24	alanz	I will do it
2019-10-17 01:14:42	fendor	thx
2019-10-17 01:14:48	alanz	https://circleci.com/workflow-run/23ee13ae-94e9-4b6f-b1b9-5912d006eec1
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2019-10-17 02:25:50	alanz	mpickering, I think I merged too soon. And perhaps it should just be the new variant static'
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2019-10-17 03:21:11	pikajude	hie gradually consumes more and more ram while i'm working, which makes sense, but i would expect it to release some at some point
2019-10-17 03:21:15	pikajude	is it ordinary for it to just linearly increase?
2019-10-17 03:23:35	mpickering	well it is normal
2019-10-17 03:23:50	mpickering	but however, it seems like it's not desirable
2019-10-17 03:23:54	pikajude	i was using it with WSL1 and eventually it would bog down the instance enough that my GHCi would OOM and crash
2019-10-17 03:24:05	pikajude	i'm using it on an "actual" machine now and it hasn't really caused any issues yet
2019-10-17 03:24:06	mpickering	we have made some efforts to make it increase at a slower rate in recent releases..
2019-10-17 03:24:12	mpickering	what is your editing pattern?
2019-10-17 03:24:24	pikajude	i save constantly which triggers the recheck
2019-10-17 03:24:30	pikajude	pretty much whenever i move something, add a new line, etc
2019-10-17 03:24:39	pikajude	doesn't hie also continuously check changes in the editor after a certain time?
2019-10-17 03:25:06	mpickering	It rechecks whilst your typing if you have that turned on
2019-10-17 03:25:10	pikajude	i do, yeah
2019-10-17 03:25:14	mpickering	are you editing a lot of different files?
2019-10-17 03:25:14	pikajude	i really like that feature
2019-10-17 03:25:22	pikajude	err, i don't know if it's really a lot
2019-10-17 03:25:27	pikajude	i'm trying to add CircleCI support to haskell-ci
2019-10-17 03:25:32	pikajude	and i think i have 8-ish files open?
2019-10-17 03:25:39	mpickering	and how much memory is it using?
2019-10-17 03:25:54	pikajude	uhh, what's the easiest way to check that?
2019-10-17 03:26:00	mpickering	look in htop?
2019-10-17 03:26:02	pikajude	i've just been watching htop but it gives me total memory % usage
2019-10-17 03:26:03	pikajude	oh
2019-10-17 03:26:10	mpickering	just a rough idea
2019-10-17 03:26:14	pikajude	virt 1.0T, res 4270m, shr 254m
2019-10-17 03:26:31	mpickering	if you could provide a profile that would be really useful info
2019-10-17 03:26:45	pikajude	yeah i'm open to that, is there a readme on how to do it?
2019-10-17 03:26:52	pikajude	i'm assuming i have to recompile hie
2019-10-17 03:26:55	mpickering	I will construct one right here
2019-10-17 03:27:03	mpickering	You have to recompile hie yes
2019-10-17 03:27:12	pikajude	i use all-hies but i'm sure they have a way to override compiler flags
2019-10-17 03:27:39	mpickering	It's easier to just build with cabal I think but that's just what I do, so it might not be
2019-10-17 03:27:41	mpickering	anyway
2019-10-17 03:27:46	mpickering	How I would do it
2019-10-17 03:27:56	pikajude	i'll probably do it with cabal since the whole point of all-hies is to use the cache
2019-10-17 03:28:13	mpickering	1. Add `profiling: True` to the cabal.project file of `haskell-ide-engine`
2019-10-17 03:28:22	mpickering	2. `cabal new-build hie`
2019-10-17 03:28:27	pikajude	oo, i should clone it
2019-10-17 03:28:28	pikajude	ok
2019-10-17 03:28:43	mpickering	3. (IMPORTANT) Add `profiling: True` to the `cabal.project` file of `haskell-ci`
2019-10-17 03:28:59	pikajude	oh, i need profiling for this package too? ok
2019-10-17 03:30:18	mpickering	4. Make a wrapper script somewhere which calls the `hie` you built in step 2 with `+RTS -hc -l-au`
2019-10-17 03:30:32	mpickering	5. Modify your editor settings to call this wrapper script instead of looking for `hie` on the path
2019-10-17 03:31:08	pikajude	yeah, i already use a wrapper because i'm running hie inside nix-shell to pull in deps
2019-10-17 03:31:17	mpickering	6. Try using `h-i-e` as normal and then you can either send me the `*.eventlog` which was created or process it yourself using `eventlog2html`
2019-10-17 03:31:28	pikajude	when you use hie, do you just let cabal install deps?
2019-10-17 03:31:36	mpickering	Which step?
2019-10-17 03:31:47	pikajude	i mean, if you're using hie on a local project
2019-10-17 03:32:04	pikajude	like, ghc-pkg needs to have a list of the necessary libraries handy
2019-10-17 03:32:06	pikajude	is what i mean
2019-10-17 03:32:16	pikajude	so i run hie in a nix-shell that uses ghcWithPackages from nixpkgs
2019-10-17 03:32:19	mpickering	yeah I let cabal deal with that 
2019-10-17 03:32:21	pikajude	ok
2019-10-17 03:32:22	mpickering	ok that will work as well
2019-10-17 03:32:32	mpickering	those libraries will already have profiling versions available
2019-10-17 03:32:38	mpickering	so you can probably omit step 3
2019-10-17 03:32:44	pikajude	yeah, but my hie is installed globally via home-manager and does not have profiling enabled afaik
2019-10-17 03:32:48	pikajude	so i will still have to repeat that part
2019-10-17 03:33:04	mpickering	yeah you will just have to build it from source but after that sounds like you will just have to change the wrapper script
2019-10-17 03:33:17	pikajude	wooooo
2019-10-17 03:34:10	mpickering	So `+RTS -hc -l-au` says, do cost centre profiling and create an eventlog which has the profiling samples in, my tool `eventlog2html` can turn that into a profile graph
2019-10-17 03:34:25	mpickering	and I have a branch which renders cost centre profiles in an even nicer way
2019-10-17 03:34:41	mpickering	Other modes which might be of interest, `-hd`
2019-10-17 03:35:16	mpickering	Also whilst your waiting for `hie` to compile from source, you could try using the existing version with `+RTS -hT`
2019-10-17 03:35:22	mpickering	as you can use `-hT` even without profiling
2019-10-17 03:35:30	mpickering	hopefully that's a good enough README
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2019-10-17 05:03:35	pikajude	in case you were wondering, it's still compiling :)
2019-10-17 05:03:42	pikajude	but i am following your instructions, or trying to anyway
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2019-10-17 06:55:30	jophish	Hmm, dispatcher-test (in nix-build) didn't do anything after 9 hours
2019-10-17 06:58:17	jophish	mpickering: pikajude: Perhaps those instructions could make it into the repo somehow
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2019-10-17 19:16:58	mpickering	fendor: We should make it easier to specify multi cabal cradles
2019-10-17 19:18:13	mpickering	Syntax something this
2019-10-17 19:18:17	fendor	makes sense. did you get annoyed by the format?
2019-10-17 19:18:21	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ndzqmpIJ/
2019-10-17 19:19:20	mpickering	I was just reading the README
2019-10-17 19:20:32	fendor	that format looks pretty good, imo
2019-10-17 19:22:18	fendor	your proposed one, i mean
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2019-10-17 20:28:07	pikajude	ok, i left the build going on overnight and it failed because some profiling flags were set incorrectly LOL
2019-10-17 20:28:18	pikajude	time to give up on the nix-build and try stack instead
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2019-10-17 20:31:39	jophish	pikajude: you're using all-hies?
2019-10-17 20:32:00	pikajude	well i was, but all-hies doesn't have executable profiling enabled
2019-10-17 20:32:06	pikajude	and the point of using all-hies is to get the nix cache hit
2019-10-17 20:32:22	pikajude	and it's way more fiddly than i hoped to override all-hies to enable profiling
2019-10-17 20:32:43	jophish	pikajude: should be a simple sed 's/profiling = false/profiling = true/' no?
2019-10-17 20:32:51	pikajude	you'd think that, wouldn't you
2019-10-17 20:32:57	jophish	uh oh
2019-10-17 20:33:02	pikajude	unfortunately the error isn't in my scrollback anymore
2019-10-17 20:33:12	pikajude	the compile job eventually failed, I think on HaRe, because it failed to find a dyn_o file
2019-10-17 20:33:14	jophish	nix-store --read-log ?
2019-10-17 20:33:21	pikajude	oh yeah possibly
2019-10-17 20:33:26	pikajude	would have to find the drv though
2019-10-17 20:38:18	mpickering	you could have just used cabal like I suggested but anyway
2019-10-17 20:38:26	mpickering	good luck with stack
2019-10-17 20:39:27	pikajude	i sure could have :)
2019-10-17 20:39:37	pikajude	whoops
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2019-10-17 21:06:58	jophish	How does the language server advertise availability of features, specifically rename
2019-10-17 21:07:17	jophish	I see in the log that this is sent to the client with dynamicregistration: true
2019-10-17 21:07:21	jophish	and is never mentioned again
2019-10-17 21:07:40	jophish	and my editor seems to think that this isn't available
2019-10-17 21:08:10	pikajude	oh ok no, it still happens here
2019-10-17 21:08:15	jophish	I tried compiling haskell-ide-engine with tests, but they seem to require stack and installing old ghc versions
2019-10-17 21:08:27	pikajude	cannot find object file ‘.stack-work/dist/x86_64-linux-nix/Cabal-2.4.0.1/build/ghc-hare/ghc-hare-tmp/Paths_HaRe.dyn_o’
2019-10-17 21:08:31	pikajude	same error the nix build got :/
2019-10-17 21:08:52	jophish	should have used cabal lol
2019-10-17 21:09:09	pikajude	i don't know if using cabal will fix that...but i'll try it
2019-10-17 21:12:22	jophish	I can only get the hie-bios branch to work for me, so I suppose it could be an issue there
2019-10-17 21:12:40	jophish	(suspicion based on there being fewer eyes on that branch)
2019-10-17 21:13:11	jophish	although as far as I can tell the plugins and client interaction are on the other side of things to what hie-bios is doing
2019-10-17 21:17:19	mpickering	jophish: I think the answer is that no one knows the answer to your questions
2019-10-17 21:20:20	pikajude	the answer: there is no answer
2019-10-17 21:22:51	fendor	there probably is an answer
2019-10-17 21:30:44	pikajude	nah, with cabal, i can't build stuff that depends on zlib
2019-10-17 21:30:48	pikajude	this is what i was afraid of
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2019-10-17 21:38:23	fendor	pikajude, why? open a `nix-shell -p haskellPackages.cabal-install zlib` ?
2019-10-17 21:40:54	pikajude	yeah
2019-10-17 21:40:55	pikajude	and then
2019-10-17 21:41:00	pikajude	"cannot load libz.so"
2019-10-17 21:43:04	fendor	alright.
2019-10-17 21:43:11	fendor	use the shell.nix in haskell-ide-engine
2019-10-17 21:43:14	fendor	that works for me
2019-10-17 21:44:27	pikajude	i think the problem with HaRe is the Paths_ module isn't in the cabal file
2019-10-17 21:44:33	pikajude	that may be why it's not building the dyn_o
2019-10-17 21:45:46	fendor	what are you doing exactly?
2019-10-17 21:45:58	pikajude	building hie with profiling
2019-10-17 21:46:55	fendor	works for me in a nix-shell, `cabal v2-build exe:hie --enable-profiling`
2019-10-17 21:47:12	pikajude	neat
2019-10-17 21:48:00	fendor	to be fair, on the hie-bios branch, e.g. #1126 but afaik it should work
2019-10-17 21:53:22	pikajude	ok, so, the second time i tried to build it it worked
2019-10-17 21:53:23	pikajude	how bizarre
2019-10-17 21:54:20	pikajude	oh, the nix-shell sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH, that's why it works
2019-10-17 21:54:34	mpickering	So the cabal method worked?
2019-10-17 21:54:44	pikajude	the second time i tried with stack, it compiled everything
2019-10-17 21:54:55	pikajude	which is worrying, and sort of makes me think that i might have accidentally not enabled profiling
2019-10-17 21:55:00	pikajude	since i didn't change anything else
2019-10-17 21:55:59	fendor	stack is weird. especially on nixos. 
2019-10-17 21:56:18	mpickering	you can easily see if you run the executable with `+RTS -p` and it will complain if it's not compiled with profiling
2019-10-17 21:56:23	pikajude	yea
2019-10-17 21:56:29	pikajude	which is what happened
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2019-10-17 22:22:08	pikajude	ah, unlucky
2019-10-17 22:22:28	pikajude	now that i'm actually running a project with profiling-enabled hie, it can't find the Cabal-3.0.0.0 library the project apparently depedns on
2019-10-17 22:22:35	pikajude	despite me running `cabal clean` and deleting the cabal-helper cache
2019-10-17 22:33:40	mpickering	hmm you are using master? and not the hie-bios branch?
2019-10-17 22:33:50	mpickering	Tbh I have only ever profiled my branch not master
2019-10-17 22:34:24	mpickering	I have no idea what that error means sorry
2019-10-17 22:34:41	pikajude	ok
2019-10-17 22:34:48	pikajude	it happens a lot but generally means your dist dir is out of date
2019-10-17 22:34:52	pikajude	wasn't the case this time
2019-10-17 22:35:29	mpickering	can you paste the exact error?
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2019-10-17 22:43:50	pikajude	no idea how
2019-10-17 22:43:59	pikajude	it comes out of ghcmod and goes to the vscode output pane
2019-10-17 22:44:17	pikajude	the only actual useful part is the cabal package id
2019-10-17 22:50:31	pikajude	ok, this happens for any package, including ones where i don't have profiling enabled
2019-10-17 22:50:37	pikajude	i'll try to revisit this later, i need to work on something atm
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2019-10-18 00:13:05	kronicmage	hey folks
2019-10-18 00:14:00	kronicmage	is there anyone who can help me debug a dependency issue?
2019-10-18 00:14:23	kronicmage	i've got a haskell file where ghci and ghcid say its fine, but hie complains about missing module on an import line
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2019-10-18 15:14:49	mpickering	jneira: Your comment is helpful but is there some bug report there as well?
2019-10-18 15:24:23	jneira_	hi! bug report?
2019-10-18 15:25:22	jneira_	basically the unresponsive hover is when the cradle doesnt finishes for some reason
2019-10-18 15:26:48	jneira_	for dhall the cause is that it has several components in subpackages with the same name (test:tasty, test:doctest)
2019-10-18 15:27:25	jneira_	but with an explicit hie.yaml (or renaming them to make it unique) vscode+hie works
2019-10-18 15:41:56	mpickering	well how could the hover work if the cradle can't be initialised?
2019-10-18 15:45:47	jneira_	mmm, yeah, it cant, but it is unresponsive, it show `loading` indefinitely
2019-10-18 15:47:02	jneira_	moreover i've tested again dhall-haskell ensuring that the cradle finishes and the hover doesn't respond :-(
2019-10-18 15:47:24	jneira_	so there might be another factor in dhall-haskell
2019-10-18 15:53:22	mpickering	So there is some issue with the c-h cradle ys?
2019-10-18 15:53:29	mpickering	but if you avoid that then things work?
2019-10-18 15:56:52	jneira_	mmm it would be great that hie could check the progress of the cradle init and cancel it if it doesnt respond in some amount of time, showing an error to user in vscode
2019-10-18 15:57:20	mpickering	there should be an error if the cradle init fails
2019-10-18 15:57:39	mpickering	and there should also be progress
2019-10-18 16:04:01	mpickering	I can't help with this c-h problem sorry
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2019-10-18 18:07:44	jophish	wz1000: What is cabal-helper-helper?
2019-10-18 18:12:02	wz1000	jophish: it is an executable that can be used by hie-bios to get the right flags for a cabal/stack project using cabal-helper
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2019-10-18 18:17:22	jneira_	jumm, i think  we mean the fendor's branch that uses cabal-helper to auto discover the hie-bios cradle: https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/26
2019-10-18 18:18:09	jneira_	that is the pr in mpickering repo fendor's branch is https://github.com/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/tree/cabal-helper-helper
2019-10-18 18:20:30	jophish	right ok, thanks
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2019-10-18 20:02:10	jophish	mpickering: hie-bios is great, really enjoying it :)
2019-10-18 20:02:37	mpickering	that's pleasing
2019-10-18 20:02:56	mpickering	a lot of other people have put in hard work to make everything tick
2019-10-18 20:03:26	jophish	I opened a couple of PRs to get the tests mostly passing on my machine
2019-10-18 20:11:59	jophish	Thanks to everyone else too of course :)
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2019-10-18 22:03:48	alanz	mpickering, I am looking forward to getting the branch merged into hie
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2019-10-18 23:35:33	lukelau	alanz cocreature: release churn is done
2019-10-18 23:35:41	lukelau	for all three packages
2019-10-18 23:35:56	cocreature	lukelau: awesome, thanks a lot!
2019-10-18 23:36:06	lukelau	phew https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/#/package/haskell-lsp
2019-10-18 23:36:18	lukelau	and https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/#/package/haskell-lsp-types
2019-10-18 23:38:40	cocreature	I like green
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2019-10-19 01:09:34	alanz	I love matrix
2019-10-19 01:09:44	alanz	lukelau, lsp-test?
2019-10-19 01:10:16	alanz	updated, great
2019-10-19 01:12:45	alanz	Should we be committing the stack-xxx.yaml.lock files? I would think we should .gitignore them
2019-10-19 01:29:19	jneira	i am ignoring them everywhere...
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2019-10-19 03:57:39	lukelau	alanz: my experience with package.json.lock files with npm was that they were supposed to be commited to source control
2019-10-19 03:57:50	lukelau	https://docs.haskellstack.org/en/stable/lock_files/ says they *can* be commited
2019-10-19 03:58:10	lukelau	but honestly i dont really see the need for them and wouldnt mind .gitignoring them either
2019-10-19 04:01:36	alanz	lukelau: the other stack files dont have their .lock files committed.  And I think the npm example is different, you definitely need those. Stack is much more repeatable 
2019-10-19 04:04:08	lukelau	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/commit/175a5eec893654e387dbbe9afcc8ec5b0546bf59
2019-10-19 04:04:56	alanz	Great
2019-10-19 04:05:42	lukelau	By the way I meant to ask you, apply-refact needs to be updated for ghc 8.8 but looks like the TTG stuff changed how patterns are represented in the ghc AST
2019-10-19 04:06:38	alanz	I saw a PR on apply-refact for 8.8.1
2019-10-19 04:06:44	lukelau	Do you know how they should be handled now? Seeing that they’re no longer wrapped in a Loc?
2019-10-19 04:07:18	lukelau	cool
2019-10-19 04:07:24	lukelau	once less blocker for hie
2019-10-19 04:07:26	alanz	There are view patterns cL and dL iirc.
2019-10-19 04:08:13	alanz	Look at the ghc source,  or ghc-exactprint for 8.8.1. Which is current mastwr
2019-10-19 04:08:32	lukelau	I was trying to look at haddocks for ghc 8.8, but its not on hackage yet
2019-10-19 04:08:59	lukelau	so i tried to build them locally, but got a separate error to do with ghc-pkg when running `make` in the docs folder
2019-10-19 04:09:09	alanz	Take a look at the source, there is a simple pattern to it
2019-10-19 04:10:14	alanz	L be becomes cL,  something like that. Not in front of my machine now so cant look myself
2019-10-19 04:12:24	alanz	See https://github.com/ghc/ghc/blob/master/compiler/rename/RnPat.hs#L225
2019-10-19 04:12:37	alanz	That function shows both
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2019-10-19 10:10:55	jophish	lukelau: Why does hie prefix its pid to command names?
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2019-10-19 14:40:07	jophish	ah, I see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/629
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2019-10-19 19:54:52	lukelau	jophish: yeah its kinda silly, since some lsp clients show the command id as a user facing string
2019-10-19 19:55:19	lukelau	I don’t really understand why a client doesnt just keep a separate list of registered commands for each server
2019-10-19 19:56:24	mpickering	lukelau: Do you know why `runActionWithContext` has a polymorphic type?
2019-10-19 19:57:35	lukelau	mpickering: I think it originally came from ghc-mod
2019-10-19 19:57:55	lukelau	So it was probably made polymorphic to handle both the ghc-mod monad and IdeGhcM
2019-10-19 19:58:02	lukelau	ping wz1000 
2019-10-19 19:58:05	lukelau	*cc
2019-10-19 19:58:58	mpickering	ok I made it monomorphic and everything still compiles
2019-10-19 20:00:03	lukelau	monomorphic in IdeGhcM?
2019-10-19 20:00:35	mpickering	yeah
2019-10-19 20:00:45	mpickering	because I want to call `failModule` from inside it
2019-10-19 20:00:49	mpickering	which is monomorphic
2019-10-19 20:00:56	lukelau	sounds good
2019-10-19 20:01:14	lukelau	I don’t see any paritcular reason why it needs to be that polymorphic
2019-10-19 20:02:01	mpickering	I am trying to implement the 'none' cradle
2019-10-19 20:02:12	mpickering	but it's a bit awkward
2019-10-19 20:03:22	lukelau	none being like a plain ghc project?
2019-10-19 20:03:59	mpickering	no, as in, don't even try to deal with this file
2019-10-19 20:04:16	lukelau	oh
2019-10-19 20:05:17	lukelau	failModule is supposed to be used for modules that you tried to typecheck but couldnt
2019-10-19 20:05:32	lukelau	but still causes any deferred actions to get run
2019-10-19 20:05:44	lukelau	albeit with uricachefailed
2019-10-19 20:05:47	mpickering	well you can view this as the module failing to typecheck
2019-10-19 20:06:06	lukelau	what’s the use for the none cradle?
2019-10-19 20:07:18	mpickering	if you have haskell files in your project which are test files for example
2019-10-19 20:07:29	mpickering	like in GHC there are hundreds of haskell files which shouldn't be loaded into the IDE
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2019-10-19 20:08:16	lukelau	Oh I see
2019-10-19 20:09:58	lukelau	You could handle it at the LSP level, and not put the documents into the vfs
2019-10-19 20:10:08	mpickering	can you explain more how that would work?
2019-10-19 20:10:26	lukelau	Then return empty results for each of the requests
2019-10-19 20:10:46	lukelau	I think you might need to change stuff in haskell-lsp
2019-10-19 20:11:10	mpickering	So currently the cradle gets initialised in runActionWithContext
2019-10-19 20:11:22	mpickering	which is necessary because that's the time when you know the filepath of the action you are trying to handle
2019-10-19 20:11:41	mpickering	So in there I added the call to `failModule` which does stop things like hover
2019-10-19 20:11:56	mpickering	but the action which is passed to runActionwithContext is `setTypecheckedModule`
2019-10-19 20:12:10	mpickering	which then still tries to load the module and provide diagnostics
2019-10-19 20:12:23	lukelau	so ghc still bombs?
2019-10-19 20:12:31	lukelau	or settypecheckmodule or whatever
2019-10-19 20:12:56	mpickering	yeah, but you can't really do anything in `runActionWithContext` because the type is too general
2019-10-19 20:13:09	mpickering	and you have to run the continuation in order to get the result
2019-10-19 20:13:17	mpickering	there is no "default" in the case where it fails
2019-10-19 20:15:23	lukelau	Does this none cradle only get used whenever the user explicitly opens a ghc test file?
2019-10-19 20:15:41	mpickering	You can configure it in a `hie.yaml` file
2019-10-19 20:15:54	lukelau	Right
2019-10-19 20:16:14	lukelau	It would be nice to avoid calling setTypecheckedModule in the first place
2019-10-19 20:16:34	lukelau	But as far as I’m aware its always called for every lsp document on every change
2019-10-19 20:17:07	lukelau	so it would involve moving the hie-bios stuff a bit further up into lsp-land
2019-10-19 20:17:30	lukelau	or can you check if its using the none cradle inside settypecheckedmodule?
2019-10-19 20:18:15	mpickering	Perhaps I can
2019-10-19 20:18:24	mpickering	I have access to the module cache
2019-10-19 20:19:12	mpickering	which contains the `currentCradle`
2019-10-19 20:20:34	mpickering	Or otherwise I can add a new `UriCacheResult`
2019-10-19 20:20:45	lukelau	You could extend UriCacheResult to have a UriCacheNone or something, and set 
2019-10-19 20:20:58	lukelau	that inside settypecheckedmodule
2019-10-19 20:21:05	lukelau	yeah you took the words right out of my mouth
2019-10-19 20:21:05	mpickering	`UriCacheIgnore`, which acts like `UriCacheFailed` apart from it's checked in `setTypeCheckedModule`
2019-10-19 20:21:13	mpickering	ok I'll try that then
2019-10-19 20:21:44	lukelau	that sounds good to me, we would requests want to explicitly handle these cases and return nothing
2019-10-19 20:21:47	mpickering	I wonder if I then have to check that for everything else like `lintCmd` as well though?
2019-10-19 20:21:57	lukelau	*responses
2019-10-19 20:22:09	mpickering	basically everywhere where `GReq` is used goes through runActionWIthContext in my understanding
2019-10-19 20:22:18	lukelau	yes
2019-10-19 20:22:52	lukelau	I think lintCmd is for hlint right?
2019-10-19 20:22:54	mpickering	so really I do want to add a default argument to `runActionWithContext?
2019-10-19 20:22:58	lukelau	It shouldn’t be in ideghcm
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2019-10-19 20:23:04	mpickering	and then just handle the case in `runActionWithContext`?
2019-10-19 20:23:47	lukelau	wait does lintCmd use runActionWithContext?
2019-10-19 20:23:52	lukelau	it returns a greq
2019-10-19 20:24:06	mpickering	I was looking at `ApplyRefact.lintCmd'`
2019-10-19 20:25:20	mpickering	It seems the commands are `HaRe.renameCmd`, `ApplyRefact.lintCmd` the general `runPluginCmd` and `Hoogle.initializeHoogleDb`
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2019-10-19 20:30:05	lukelau	Hmm
2019-10-19 20:30:34	mpickering	I am going to make `GReq` take a default argument
2019-10-19 20:30:37	mpickering	and see if that works at all
2019-10-19 20:31:06	lukelau	Yeah I see what you mean, those are going to have to somehow handle the none cradle too
2019-10-19 20:31:12	lukelau	let me know how that turns out
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2019-10-19 20:31:51	lukelau	as a side note, it would be interesting to see how many of the lsp response types could be made an instance of `Monoid`, and if we could default to returning `mempty` for them when they encounter a none cradle
2019-10-19 20:32:22	mpickering	there are not too many call sites so I will discover shortly
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2019-10-19 21:02:00	mpickering	lukelau: do you know what I should do about `runPluginCommand`?
2019-10-19 21:02:06	mpickering	Where should I get a default from there
2019-10-19 21:02:22	mpickering	the return type is ` constrained-dynamic-0.1.0.0:Data.ConstrainedDynamic.ConstrainedDynamic
2019-10-19 21:02:22	mpickering	               A.ToJSON`
2019-10-19 21:26:02	mpickering	ok that appears to work, thanks a lot lukelau 
2019-10-19 21:35:39	lukelau	mpickering: sorry was away
2019-10-19 21:35:43	lukelau	what appears to work?
2019-10-19 21:37:14	mpickering	the whole concept
2019-10-19 21:37:33	lukelau	of extending greq?
2019-10-19 21:48:21	mpickering	yeah
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2019-10-19 22:41:46	alanz	lukelau, what are you busy with at the moment?
2019-10-19 22:44:10	lukelau	alanz: not much
2019-10-19 22:44:47	alanz	ok, because I am working on bring haskell-lsp-0.17 into hie, do not want to duplicate effort
2019-10-19 22:45:02	alanz	with a view to getting a release out, prior to the hie-bios merge
2019-10-19 22:45:41	lukelau	work away!
2019-10-19 22:46:13	alanz	will do
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2019-10-20 19:51:34	jophish	alanz: you are very brave writing the typescript vscode plugin!
2019-10-20 19:52:32	alanz	jophish, thanks, but it was pretty much cargo cult and accept PRs
2019-10-20 19:53:12	alanz	and I think it needs TLC at the moment. 
2019-10-20 19:53:43	alanz	I am updateing hie for haskell-lsp 0.17, which uses the spec 3.15 progress method, so will have to update it for that.
2019-10-20 19:58:10	jophish	alanz: I've made a port to coc.nvim from vscode (the interfaces are quite similar) https://github.com/expipiplus1/vscode-hie-server/tree/coc.nvim
2019-10-20 19:58:57	jophish	I'd really like to integrate this into master to avoid all the fuss of porting features back and forth (there's one already! https://github.com/expipiplus1/vscode-hie-server/commit/2761e73761eff9ef07f6d14b7ae4b31d7f4e659d)
2019-10-20 19:59:26	jophish	but I don't think I have the typescript-fu to do a good job merging them
2019-10-20 19:59:51	alanz	well, nor do I, at the moment. There is a small chance that may change in the intermediate future though
2019-10-20 20:05:46	jophish	right, in that case I'll subscribe to the repo, port changes actross and see how things go
2019-10-20 20:06:51	alanz	sounds good
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2019-10-20 20:25:41	jophish	haha, just moving the applyall patch was a pain!
2019-10-20 20:26:17	jophish	coc.nvim doesn't provide editor to the commands, so that was all a bit different
2019-10-20 20:27:01	jophish	alanz: mind if I make an issue asking for some help with this?
2019-10-20 20:28:49	alanz	please do, its the best way to get results on that repo
2019-10-20 20:29:09	alanz	then people who actually know what they are doing are only too happy to jump in
2019-10-20 20:29:13	jophish	great!
2019-10-20 20:29:22	alanz	stone soup for code
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2019-10-20 20:30:12	jophish	hahaha
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2019-10-22 02:16:00	mpickering	dxld: Will you finish off your SBS patch now I fixed the performance tests?
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2019-10-23 01:52:13	jneira	fendor: hi! just in case, feel free to merge hie master despite my pr, i have to fix the progress func test 
2019-10-23 01:53:01	fendor	jneira, which hie master? do you mean hie-bios or am I missing something?
2019-10-23 01:53:25	fendor	yeah, I missed a bunch of prs
2019-10-23 01:53:38	jneira	merge haskell/hie master into mpickering/hie-bios
2019-10-23 01:54:05	alanz	fendor, jneira how are things going on hie-bios / c-h?
2019-10-23 01:54:12	mpickering	Anything I can help with ^ ?
2019-10-23 01:54:48	fendor	I have been sick the last week, so I am not up-to-date what is currently happening
2019-10-23 01:55:09	fendor	just noticed that there are four fresh pr's to hie-bios
2019-10-23 01:55:26	mpickering	ah hope you feel better soon
2019-10-23 01:55:40	jneira	i was talking about https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/41, sorry for not be clear :-/
2019-10-23 01:56:03	 *	mpickering looks at the PRs
2019-10-23 01:56:33	alanz	fwiw I did the bare minimum to get the progress tests to pass in master, did not check the spec and if the tests needed to cover other cases
2019-10-23 01:56:36	alanz	which they probably do
2019-10-23 01:57:15	fendor	jneira, thank you! 
2019-10-23 01:57:33	fendor	jneira, wait, does that mean you are not encountering the errors in https://circleci.com/gh/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/10158?utm_campaign=vcs-integration-link&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=github-build-link in your pr? 0.o
2019-10-23 01:57:48	alanz	on my branch that is, not the mpickering/hie-bios one
2019-10-23 01:59:17	fendor	mpickering, thank you! we did not find the problem for https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/36 yet, right?
2019-10-23 01:59:46	mpickering	No, I thought about how to debug it a bit
2019-10-23 02:00:01	mpickering	perhaps we should have a chat about it when you are better
2019-10-23 02:00:09	jneira	fendor: yeah those errors are in my pr; as alanz has mentioned, the progress spec has changed in master and have to be adapted to the changes made in hie-bios
2019-10-23 02:00:13	mpickering	I understand the stuff with the threads a bit more now 
2019-10-23 02:01:35	jneira	btw i am a little bit worried by the fact the test suite doesnt catch the bug of haskell-lsp-0.16
2019-10-23 02:01:43	jneira	*didnt
2019-10-23 02:01:54	alanz	me too
2019-10-23 02:01:55	fendor	mpickering, sure, later this week would be great! 
2019-10-23 02:02:11	mpickering	I can do tomorrow or Friday evening or sometime at the weekend
2019-10-23 02:02:15	fendor	did we find out why it didnt catch it?
2019-10-23 02:04:19	jneira	i think we mentioned that the options used in the test suite to call hie were not the same that the used by vscode, could be?
2019-10-23 02:04:44	fendor	ok, great! friday evening sounds good to me because I dont know when I have time tomorrow
2019-10-23 02:09:43	mpickering	I think it's because lsp-test doesn't respect the capabilities advertised by the server
2019-10-23 02:09:48	mpickering	and just sends the requests anyway
2019-10-23 02:11:44	jneira	mmm i think i will open a issue in hie to dont forget
2019-10-23 02:17:42	fendor	jneira, :+1:
2019-10-23 02:19:30	mpickering	jneira: Where's this email about the error messages proposal 🤔
2019-10-23 02:25:14	jneira	jummm, tbh i never posted in the ghc dev mailing list... i feel more confident in github
2019-10-23 02:25:47	mpickering	first time for everything?
2019-10-23 02:26:11	mpickering	if people know that there's interest in the proposal it's just so much more likely to get finished and implemented
2019-10-23 02:26:19	mpickering	and now is a good time as people start to think about 8.12
2019-10-23 02:28:35	jneira	sure, maybe i will write a comment in github (with markdown and all else) at first and then in the mailing list
2019-10-23 02:29:31	mpickering	I can post it for you if that makes it easier
2019-10-23 02:29:39	alanz	Isn't there an issue on ghc gitlab about discussion for this?
2019-10-23 02:30:36	alanz	https://github.com/bgamari/ghc-pretty-errors
2019-10-23 02:33:45	jneira	it was about structured errors, to avoid have to parse and extract terms from the human readable ghc errors
2019-10-23 02:37:37	alanz	There was work done by well-typed on that over the summer, as captured in that repo of bgamari 
2019-10-23 02:38:00	alanz	Is that the email you guys are talking about?
2019-10-23 02:38:47	mpickering	yes
2019-10-23 02:38:51	bgamari	jneira, indeed, we are absolutely looking for feedback on that proposal
2019-10-23 02:39:18	mpickering	but the idea was more about jneira getting things going again by expressing interest 
2019-10-23 02:40:58	bgamari	mpickering, alp has been finishing up priorities for 8.10
2019-10-23 02:41:05	jneira	yep, we fixed some bugs in hie cause messages has different delimiters in nix and windows
2019-10-23 02:41:15	bgamari	but will be getting back to it after that
2019-10-23 02:43:11	jneira	in general the code to parse error messages is very brittle (and can not be improved), and the tool are using them as the base for refactorings
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2019-10-23 02:45:13	jneira	i am looking for the proposal with no luck,i think i saw in a pr os some ghc-proposals fork
2019-10-23 02:45:42	jneira	*i saw it in a pr of
2019-10-23 02:46:09	alanz	jneira, it is a PR or some such in https://github.com/bgamari/ghc-pretty-errors
2019-10-23 02:46:28	mpickering	https://github.com/bgamari/ghc-proposals/blob/rich-errors-proposal/proposals/0000-rich-errors-proposal.rst
2019-10-23 02:46:33	mpickering	linked from here -https://github.com/bgamari/ghc-pretty-errors/blob/master/overview.mkd
2019-10-23 02:46:33	alanz	or at least it should be discussed there, if it strted elsewhere
2019-10-23 02:47:03	jneira	thanks!
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2019-10-23 03:52:35	ibloom	I get an error when trying to install hie on atom on a new install of MacOS Mojave. https://pastebin.com/PALhmJaE
2019-10-23 03:53:11	ibloom	The basic problem appears to be Distribution.Package and Distribution.Simple not compiling properly.
2019-10-23 03:53:28	ibloom	Just curious if anyone has encountered this.
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2019-10-23 05:13:39	freeman42x	whether I press tab or enter when the auto-complete list is shown what happens is that all that was typed for that term gets cleared
2019-10-23 05:13:52	freeman42x	is this a known bug?
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2019-10-23 09:47:12	jneira	ibloom: ould yu try cabal-2.4.1.0 to check it it works?
2019-10-23 09:47:20	jneira	*could you
2019-10-23 10:04:40	ibloom	Hi jneira, how can I tell the extension which path to cabal to use?
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2019-10-23 13:04:05	jneira_	mpickering: mail about rich errors proposal sent! i hope it will be welcome :-)
2019-10-23 13:04:17	mpickering	I see it thanks a lot
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2019-10-23 16:38:18	jneira_	hi fendor! i hope you are better
2019-10-23 16:38:52	fendor	jneira_, hi! yes today I am already way better, thank you :)
2019-10-23 16:40:46	jneira_	i think i've finished the merge beween the mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/hie-bios branch and haskell/haskell-ide-engine/master 
2019-10-23 16:41:27	jneira_	that was mostly mechanical, but the progress test case
2019-10-23 16:42:05	fendor	jneira_, so the progress test case fails?
2019-10-23 16:42:48	jneira_	no, i've fixed it
2019-10-23 16:42:53	fendor	oh great!
2019-10-23 16:42:56	fendor	thank you!
2019-10-23 16:43:26	jneira_	only left the 2 unit test cases that already was failing in the main branch
2019-10-23 16:44:51	fendor	nice, so, ready to merge in your opinion?
2019-10-23 16:44:55	jneira_	yeah
2019-10-23 16:47:43	fendor	great, then we will merge
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2019-10-23 16:55:09	fendor	merged
2019-10-23 16:55:31	jneira_	:+1:
2019-10-23 16:57:49	fendor	thank you!
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2019-10-24 00:33:31	alanz	I just tagged 0.13.0.0
2019-10-24 00:33:44	alanz	So the path is clear to land hie-bios, when you guys are ready
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2019-10-24 01:16:31	jneira	great news!
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2019-10-24 01:43:33	mpickering	fendor is the captain in charge of that ship now!
2019-10-24 01:46:54	alanz	yes, and lots of us waiting patiently
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2019-10-24 03:51:07	zeta_0	hello guys, is anyone here ?
2019-10-24 03:56:45	zeta_0	i am currently using haskell-ide-engine in emacs, it works but it is very slow(ihaskell loads almost instantly), do you guys know why it is running so slow ?
2019-10-24 04:10:21	zeta_0	infinisil: could this problem be nix related, i have no idea what to do ?
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2019-10-24 08:21:12	DigitalKiwi	git gud. then you won't need hie :)
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2019-10-24 12:13:38	jneira_	`simple-sendfile-0.2.29`has broke the hie build for me with cabal :-(
2019-10-24 12:14:17	jneira_	anyone else (you will need a cabal update cause it was uploaded yesterday)?
2019-10-24 12:17:35	jneira_	in the mpickering/hie-bios branch
2019-10-24 12:56:03	mpickering	how does it break?
2019-10-24 12:56:09	mpickering	can you add an upper bound?
2019-10-24 13:21:18	jneira_	yeah a `cabal build --contraint="simple-sendfile < 0.2.29"`works, moreover it is a specific windows bug: https://github.com/kazu-yamamoto/simple-sendfile/issues/32 
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2019-10-24 14:46:29	mpickering	thanks
2019-10-24 14:46:38	mpickering	I noticed Ryan forked that library recently so I wonder if he saw the same thing
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2019-10-24 15:23:52	mpickering	I should release the hie-lsif library
2019-10-24 15:24:02	mpickering	but I am worried that it takes too long to compile and is too complicated
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2019-10-25 01:21:37	zeta_0	hello guys, is any on here today ?
2019-10-25 01:32:15	zeta_0	i am currently running haskell-ide-engine in emacs, it seems to be working correctly but the main problem that i have is that it is running very slow(ihaskell runs blazing fast), so why is that ?
2019-10-25 01:34:17	zeta_0	should i try to use emacs built-in debugger search for and see what is slowing down haskell-ide-engine ?
2019-10-25 01:35:52	alanz	zeta_0, that is a bit of a vague statement. What code base are you trying to work on?
2019-10-25 01:40:55	zeta_0	alanz: thanks for responding, anyways, whenever i try to code a small program, haskell-ide-engine lags behind my typing and is very slow, is this normal ?
2019-10-25 01:44:01	alanz	no. What kind of program? using stack? cabal? just a file?
2019-10-25 01:51:57	zeta_0	alanz: just a file(example: hello_world.hs) with a few lines of code:
2019-10-25 01:52:06	zeta_0	module Main where
2019-10-25 01:52:06	zeta_0	  main :: IO ()
2019-10-25 01:52:06	zeta_0	  main = putStrLn "hello world"
2019-10-25 01:54:57	alanz	just in a bare directory? or is this in some kind of ihaskell context?
2019-10-25 02:04:32	zeta_0	alanz: just in a bare directory, and it doesn't have anything to do with ihaskell(i was just comparing the speed of haskell-ide-engine and ihaskell)
2019-10-25 02:10:42	alanz	ok
2019-10-25 02:12:20	alanz	zeta_0, I just tested it on a bare file in /tmp/foo/Blah.hs, and it seems to work ok.
2019-10-25 02:12:41	alanz	What operating system and GHC version are you on? and what hie version?
2019-10-25 02:17:21	zeta_0	alanz: i am currently using nixos 19.03 stable, ghc865, and the nix package all-hies set to ghc865
2019-10-25 02:18:23	zeta_0	alanz: here is my haskell installation:
2019-10-25 02:18:28	zeta_0	      # haskell packages installation:
2019-10-25 02:18:28	zeta_0	      (haskell.packages.ghc865.ghcWithHoogle (hpkgs: with hpkgs; [
2019-10-25 02:18:28	zeta_0	        CheatSheet
2019-10-25 02:18:28	zeta_0	        # ihaskell
2019-10-25 02:18:28	zeta_0	        cabal-install
2019-10-25 02:18:28	zeta_0	        cabal2nix
2019-10-25 02:18:28	zeta_0	        stack
2019-10-25 02:18:29	zeta_0	        nix-prefetch-git
2019-10-25 02:18:29	zeta_0	        styx
2019-10-25 02:18:30	zeta_0	        # haskell-overridez
2019-10-25 02:18:30	zeta_0	        tinc
2019-10-25 02:18:31	zeta_0	      ]))
2019-10-25 02:20:08	zeta_0	alanz: and hear is the haskell-ide-engine installation:
2019-10-25 02:20:14	zeta_0	      # haskell-ide-engine installation:
2019-10-25 02:20:14	zeta_0	      (all-hies.selection { selector = p: { inherit (p) ghc865; }; })
2019-10-25 02:21:16	zeta_0	alanz: do you want to see my .emacs configuration for haskell-ide-engine as well ?
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2019-10-25 02:29:36	alanz	I dont know about the nix usage of this, tbh
2019-10-25 02:31:50	zeta_0	alanz: the only thing that i can think of as the problem is my .emacs when setting up the language-server-protocol package i was having problems with flycheck, maybe that's what is slowing everying down ?
2019-10-25 02:32:06	zeta_0	at this point i have no idea ?
2019-10-25 02:36:03	zeta_0	;; language server protocol
2019-10-25 02:36:03	zeta_0	(require 'lsp)
2019-10-25 02:36:03	zeta_0	(require 'lsp-mode)
2019-10-25 02:36:03	zeta_0	(require 'lsp-ui)
2019-10-25 02:36:03	zeta_0	(add-hook 'lsp-mode-hook 'lsp-ui-mode)
2019-10-25 02:36:03	zeta_0	(require 'flycheck)
2019-10-25 02:36:33	zeta_0	;; haskell lsp setup:
2019-10-25 02:36:33	zeta_0	(require 'lsp-haskell)
2019-10-25 02:36:33	zeta_0	(add-hook 'haskell-mode-hook #'lsp)
2019-10-25 02:36:34	zeta_0	(add-hook 'haskell-mode-hook 'flycheck-mode)
2019-10-25 02:36:34	zeta_0	;; (setq lsp-document-sync-method 'full)
2019-10-25 02:36:34	zeta_0	;; (add-hook 'haskell-mode-hook 'direnv-update-environment)
2019-10-25 02:37:39	alanz	zeta_0, I know I turned off flymake explicitly, have  '(lsp-prefer-flymake nil) in my config
2019-10-25 02:37:47	alanz	and have flycheck installed
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2019-10-25 02:38:58	zeta_0	alanz: could i see your .emacs config for haskell-ide-engine and language server protocol ?'
2019-10-25 02:40:55	alanz	zeta_0, https://gist.github.com/alanz/a95a35cfb7cdff7b4df63894a2d488d7
2019-10-25 02:41:49	zeta_0	alanz: i'll let you know if i was able to fix the problem or not
2019-10-25 02:41:59	zeta_0	alanz: thanks
2019-10-25 02:42:09	alanz	good luck
2019-10-25 02:56:17	zeta_0	alanz: which lines, your .emacs is a large file ?
2019-10-25 02:57:02	alanz	there is a comment in the middle somewhere about lsp, and right at the end is the flymake thing
2019-10-25 03:06:30	zeta_0	alanz: oh
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2019-10-25 03:25:01	zeta_0	alanz: do i need to install some haskell packages for hie or are they automatically installed with hie ?
2019-10-25 03:26:32	alanz	you need to install lsp-haskell, at and lsp-mode. As per my config
2019-10-25 03:26:56	alanz	and the instructions at https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell
2019-10-25 03:32:36	zeta_0	alanz: thanks for your help, i need to make a couple more changes to my .emacs configuration before i test out hie again
2019-10-25 03:32:48	alanz	ok
2019-10-25 03:58:36	zeta_0	alanz: could you be more specific on which lines they are on, i am not sure if i am looking at the right code ?'
2019-10-25 04:02:07	zeta_0	alanz: nevermind, i think i found them
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2019-10-25 05:11:44	zeta_0	alanz: are you still on ? i think i found the problem that is slowing down hie
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2019-10-25 19:32:29	mpickering	fendor: What time do you want to chat tonight
2019-10-25 19:37:00	fendor	mpickering, I am at a concert tonight, which I didnt know until today. I can either try to get a microphone now, or have to delay to tomorrow.
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2019-10-25 19:37:46	mpickering	ok we can chat now, I can't type very much atm sorry
2019-10-25 19:38:54	fendor	i have to get a mic first
2019-10-25 19:39:30	mpickering	you can use your phone perhaps? 
2019-10-25 19:39:34	mpickering	I am in the office so can't use discord
2019-10-25 19:40:33	fendor	sure, so just calling?
2019-10-25 19:40:55	mpickering	I can call you on hangouts for example
2019-10-25 19:41:00	mpickering	or anything else which has an app
2019-10-25 19:41:30	fendor	i install hangouts
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2019-10-25 23:57:16	DavSanchez	Hi guys! Hope this is the correct place. I'm trying to contribute to #1410 and first I'm trying to understand what exactly does Floskell use to format the source text... I see that the Floskell plugin calls the reformat function, and apparently this function is in the Floskell submodule (which is itself inside the HaRe submodule). I guess it means that, if I am to include Ormolu as a formatter, it has to be incl
2019-10-25 23:57:16	DavSanchez	uded first as a submodule in the git repo?
2019-10-25 23:58:01	alanz	DavSanchez, if ormolu is on hackage, then there is no need
2019-10-25 23:59:28	alanz	And you would need to put some logic in here: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs#L703-L724
2019-10-26 00:00:00	DavSanchez	Ah I see, looks like it is indeed on hackage
2019-10-26 00:00:16	alanz	to call a plugin based on ormolu instead of on floskell
2019-10-26 00:00:46	alanz	or rather to make the getFormattingProvider return the right thing
2019-10-26 00:01:22	DavSanchez	alright, I'll take a look. Thanks!
2019-10-26 00:04:43	alanz	there are at least two formatters currently in there, you should be able to track down the pattern, and make a new plugin in a similar vein
2019-10-26 00:05:16	DavSanchez	yes, I am using the Floskell and Brittany plugins as a reference
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2019-10-26 00:45:54	zeta_0	alanz: hello again, here is the error i am getting for flycheck in emacs, maybe this is what is slowing down hie ?
2019-10-26 00:45:57	zeta_0	Warning [flymake-proc hello_world.hs]: started process -2, command=(nil /home/wolf/projects/haskell/practice/hello_world/hello_world_flymake.hs), dir=/home/wolf/projects/haskell/practice/hello_world/
2019-10-26 00:48:16	mpickering	What is that warning?
2019-10-26 00:48:26	mpickering	What exactly is slow and how slow is it?
2019-10-26 00:52:36	zeta_0	mpickering: mistake, i meant to say `flymake`, not `flycheck`, anyways, haskell-ide-engine is running very slow and lagging so i was thinking maybe this warning might be the problem ?
2019-10-26 00:57:01	mpickering	The warning says nothing?
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2019-10-26 00:57:20	mpickering	Also you keep saying it's slow with no analysis of why you think this
2019-10-26 01:05:08	zeta_0	mpickering: i have no idea, that is why i came here again for help, every time try to make a change that warning keeps show up, so that's why i thought maybe that is what is slowing it down ?
2019-10-26 01:05:57	zeta_0	mpickering: also, i got this shell command output: `xargs: hasktags: No such file or directory`
2019-10-26 01:06:54	zeta_0	mpickering: these are the only output messages i am getting, maybe i need to run the emacs debugger so see what is slowing down hie ?
2019-10-26 01:14:42	mpickering	You need to tell us why you think it's slow
2019-10-26 01:14:47	mpickering	Like I asked before
2019-10-26 01:30:17	zeta_0	mpickering: i installed hie using the nix package manager, so i don't think that is the problem, i think the problem might be with my emacs configuration(i followed the instructions very carefully, maybe i made a mistake somewhere), the only other thing i can think of is the dpi(screen resolution), i am running a hidpi 3k laptop and the size of hies error messages are to large, so maybe that is the problem, like i s
2019-10-26 01:30:17	zeta_0	aid i have no idea, that's why i came here for help ?
2019-10-26 01:32:13	mpickering	of course we want to help you but so far, still, you have provided no information about what you think is slow or any way to analyse your problem
2019-10-26 01:32:17	mpickering	so it's impossible to do anything
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2019-10-26 01:35:48	zeta_0	mpickering: so what would you recommend i try doing next ? have other users had this problem before as well ?
2019-10-26 01:55:19	lukelau	mpickering: ping
2019-10-26 01:57:47	mpickering	Hello
2019-10-26 01:58:03	mpickering	zeta_0: I am not going to explain the same thing for a third time
2019-10-26 02:05:03	lukelau	mpickering: woops pinged you and forgot to reply
2019-10-26 02:05:20	lukelau	Can you make a hackage release for https://github.com/mpickering/apply-refact/pull/50
2019-10-26 02:06:22	lukelau	zeta_0: isn’t flymake like a separate ide thing?
2019-10-26 02:08:06	mpickering	lukelau: In theory yes but I can't do any programming at the moment
2019-10-26 02:08:22	lukelau	no worries
2019-10-26 02:08:29	lukelau	lemme know if you get the time to
2019-10-26 02:11:20	zeta_0	lukelau: i disabled it so i don't know why it is throwing that warning message ?
2019-10-26 02:11:42	lukelau	zeta_0: you might want to check with some flymake/emacs people
2019-10-26 02:12:08	lukelau	this irc is for haskell-ide-engine, and as far as I’m aware we don’t invoke hasktags either
2019-10-26 02:14:22	zeta_0	lukelau: i tried with the emacs people and they didn't feel like helping me, and i guess i will disable it for now, the only other thing i can think of is screen resolution, my dpi is not rendering correctly ?
2019-10-26 02:14:43	lukelau	zeta_0: sorry i dont know the answer really
2019-10-26 02:14:49	zeta_0	disable hasktags for now that is
2019-10-26 02:16:25	zeta_0	lukelau: its ok, i'll try to fix the problem eventually
2019-10-26 02:16:43	zeta_0	anyways thanks guys, have to go
2019-10-26 02:17:20	lukelau	hope you get it fixed!
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2019-10-26 07:33:00	dxld	lukelau: hey
2019-10-26 07:33:20	lukelau	dxld: hello
2019-10-26 07:33:55	dxld	just saw your cabal PR
2019-10-26 07:35:07	lukelau	dxld: yeah, as the ultimate yak shave to run a script on ghc-8.6.5 because a dependency doesn’t build on ghc-8.8
2019-10-26 07:37:02	dxld	I'm a bit worried it might get in the way of how I'd like to cut down on the huge support window for ghc vesions we currently have with tooling
2019-10-26 07:37:48	dxld	do you know if for scripts there is a way to override these settings from the outside?
2019-10-26 07:38:12	lukelau	are you planning on retiring the regular --with-compiler flag?
2019-10-26 07:38:22	dxld	no, no
2019-10-26 07:38:55	dxld	I haven't thought script support through fully yet tbh
2019-10-26 07:39:14	lukelau	it just creates a temporary, single executable package
2019-10-26 07:39:24	dxld	I just wanted to hear what your use-case for this is
2019-10-26 07:39:32	lukelau	i’m not sure if you can override it? what do you mean by from the outside
2019-10-26 07:39:50	dxld	I dunno, just without actually editing the file
2019-10-26 07:39:59	lukelau	my use case is that i have ghc-8.8 and ghc-8.6.5 living side by side
2019-10-26 07:40:04	dxld	but it's ok if you dont know
2019-10-26 07:40:16	dxld	I'll just have to look at that code eventually to get c-h support for that
2019-10-26 07:40:22	lukelau	and i had a cabal script that depended on lsp-test to do some hie testing
2019-10-26 07:40:31	dxld	ok
2019-10-26 07:40:51	dxld	so how about if it was possible to do something like $ cabal script foo.hs --with-copiler ghc-whatever
2019-10-26 07:40:54	lukelau	but lsp-test at the time wasn’t working on ghc-8.6 or something
2019-10-26 07:41:01	lukelau	I’m testing that out now 
2019-10-26 07:41:02	dxld	so you can just override that "from the outside" :)
2019-10-26 07:41:08	lukelau	does c-h have to support cabal scripts?
2019-10-26 07:41:13	dxld	nah
2019-10-26 07:41:20	dxld	but I'd like to get around to that eventuallyu
2019-10-26 07:42:15	dxld	I just relized I'll have to deal with `with-compiler` in regular projects either way, so nvm. actually
2019-10-26 07:42:26	lukelau	hmm doesn’t look like it, `cabal run foo.hs -wghc-8.6.5` doesnt affect the script
2019-10-26 07:42:34	dxld	huh
2019-10-26 07:42:43	dxld	maybe it should though?
2019-10-26 07:43:01	dxld	I mean the metadata header is like the equivalent of the cabal.project* files, right?
2019-10-26 07:43:06	dxld	so cmdline should override that
2019-10-26 07:43:15	lukelau	wait hold on it does
2019-10-26 07:43:39	lukelau	let me see if it also overrides the with-compiler field
2019-10-26 07:44:54	lukelau	hmm my field doesn’t let it be overriden. let me see if i can fix that
2019-10-26 07:45:02	dxld	ah
2019-10-26 07:45:29	dxld	do you know what's up with those duplicate SPECIALIZE pragmas in FieldGrammar.hs?
2019-10-26 07:45:33	dxld	looks weird to me
2019-10-26 07:46:17	lukelau	no idea
2019-10-26 07:46:21	lukelau	why are there two of them?
2019-10-26 07:46:53	lukelau	also lol at this cabal command
2019-10-26 07:46:54	lukelau	$ cabal run -wghc-8.6.5 cabal-install -- run test.hs -wghc-8.8.1
2019-10-26 07:47:19	dxld	:)
2019-10-26 07:48:18	dxld	yeah, I don't get why there's two exactly identical pragmas there
2019-10-26 07:48:53	dxld	one, ok, to specialize. but why mention the same instantiation twice
2019-10-26 07:49:02	dxld	but that seems to be done in the while file wtf?
2019-10-26 07:49:11	lukelau	ok thats fixed now, good spot
2019-10-26 07:49:33	dxld	woo, I'm useful
2019-10-26 07:49:52	lukelau	the semigroup instance of flags is quite nice, makes it easy to coalesce 
2019-10-26 07:49:57	dxld	you also have a couple of files with no newline at end of file
2019-10-26 07:50:02	dxld	fix your editor! :P
2019-10-26 07:53:04	dxld	I always just find the semigroup flag stuff highly confusing
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2019-10-26 21:10:15	fresheyeball	is there a way to tell the hie which target in the cabal file to use?
2019-10-26 21:15:14	alanz	not at the moment. I think it will be possible when hie-bios lands
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2019-10-26 21:17:17	fresheyeball	https://gitlab.com/fresheyeball/torch-sandy
2019-10-26 21:17:25	fresheyeball	so what I would like is to use hie with this project
2019-10-26 21:17:44	fresheyeball	if I run nix-shell in the examples folder I can enter the shell
2019-10-26 21:17:52	fresheyeball	if I run `cabal v1-build sandy` it builds
2019-10-26 21:18:04	fresheyeball	if I run `nix-build` it builds 
2019-10-26 21:18:11	fresheyeball	but hie errors with
2019-10-26 21:18:36	fresheyeball	ghcmod","message":"readCreateProcess: /nix/store/jq8x50rkl3cm7cqkj1zsk6kfbb692iwv-cabal-helper-0.9.0.0/bin/cabal-helper-wrapper \"--with-ghc=ghc\" \"--with-ghc-pkg=ghc-pkg\" \"--with-cabal=cabal\" \"v1-style\" \"/home/isaac/_/torch-sandy/examples\" \"/home/isaac/_/torch-sandy/examples/dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.6.5/examples-0.2.0.0\" \"package-db-stack\" \"flags\" \"compiler-version\"
2019-10-26 21:18:38	fresheyeball	\"ghc-merged-pkg-options\" \"config-flags\" \"non-default-config-flags\" \"ghc-src-options\" \"ghc-pkg-options\" \"ghc-lang-options\" \"ghc-options\" \"source-dirs\" \"entrypoints\" \"needs-build-output\" (exit 1): failed\n"}]},"method":"textDocument/publishDiagnostics"}
2019-10-26 21:19:41	fresheyeball	is this because it can't find the exe target?
2019-10-26 21:20:21	fresheyeball	https://pastebin.com/6DpzTRqF
2019-10-26 21:22:35	fendor	fresheyeball, did you try executing the command manually?
2019-10-26 21:24:20	fresheyeball	I did
2019-10-26 21:24:35	fresheyeball	I also just tried removing all targets in the cabal file but one
2019-10-26 21:24:37	fresheyeball	same problem
2019-10-26 21:26:03	fendor	what was the error with the command?
2019-10-26 21:26:47	fendor	anyways, you specific use-case is covered in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1126
2019-10-26 21:26:55	fendor	there you can specify the component to load
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2019-10-26 21:29:44	fresheyeball	well since I changed to single target
2019-10-26 21:29:55	fresheyeball	running the command shows my cabal-install version is wrong
2019-10-26 21:30:12	fendor	what is you cabal-install version?
2019-10-26 21:30:15	fendor	your
2019-10-26 21:32:07	fresheyeball	ok
2019-10-26 21:32:21	fresheyeball	so I got cabal install updated
2019-10-26 21:32:23	fresheyeball	3.0.0.0
2019-10-26 21:32:33	fresheyeball	and I rm -r ~/.cache/cabal-helper
2019-10-26 21:33:02	fresheyeball	now I get this
2019-10-26 21:33:04	fresheyeball	cabal-helper-wrapper: /home/isaac/_/torch-sandy/examples/dist/setup-config: openFile: does not exist (No such file or directory)
2019-10-26 21:34:22	fendor	pretty sure that current master does not really work with cabal 3.0
2019-10-26 21:34:25	fendor	not out of the box
2019-10-26 21:34:50	fendor	thus, you can try https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1126 which supports cabal 3.0
2019-10-26 21:34:54	fresheyeball	its v1 style though, I thought that would do it
2019-10-26 21:35:23	alanz	fendor, what is still holding back that PR?
2019-10-26 21:35:37	fendor	afaik, cabal-helper uses cabal build and cabal configure directly, which defaults on 3.0 to v2-*
2019-10-26 21:35:50	alanz	and FYI I am working on making HaRe run its tests using that as a base
2019-10-26 21:36:15	fresheyeball	anything I can do to fix this?
2019-10-26 21:36:27	fresheyeball	or should I just wait for hie to get updated?
2019-10-26 21:36:35	fendor	alanz, two test cases fail, https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/36 is an issue and c-h-h branch needs to succeed the build before it can be merged
2019-10-26 21:37:14	 *	alanz looking
2019-10-26 21:37:25	fendor	I have been sick the last week, that's why I made almost no progress in the last week
2019-10-26 21:37:48	alanz	no problem. I hope you are feeling a bit better now
2019-10-26 21:38:04	fresheyeball	so the cabal file says version 2.2
2019-10-26 21:38:11	fresheyeball	why does it think it needs 3.0?
2019-10-26 21:38:25	fendor	i talked with m pickering on how to tackle #36 and #42 should help debugging it
2019-10-26 21:38:35	fendor	fresheyeball, because your local cabal-install version is 3.0.
2019-10-26 21:39:15	fresheyeball	do you know if there is more than one version in nixpgs?
2019-10-26 21:39:42	fendor	yeah, I am feeling better now, yesterday I spent some time to get up to speed with pr's to hie-bios 
2019-10-26 21:39:57	fendor	fresheyeball, are you using the unstable channel?
2019-10-26 21:40:14	fresheyeball	I don't use channels
2019-10-26 21:40:18	fresheyeball	I just use revs
2019-10-26 21:40:34	fendor	then it should not be a problem to find a cabal-install with right version, right?
2019-10-26 21:40:50	fendor	wasnt there a blog post to find every version of a package exists in nixpkgs?
2019-10-26 21:40:57	fresheyeball	le sigh
2019-10-26 21:41:05	fendor	https://matthewbauer.us/blog/all-the-versions.html
2019-10-26 21:41:11	fresheyeball	so I need to look at a specific rev
2019-10-26 21:41:13	fresheyeball	ok
2019-10-26 21:41:40	fendor	yeah, I am pretty sure that latest nixpkgs contains only one version of cabal-install
2019-10-26 21:41:51	fresheyeball	looks like it
2019-10-26 21:42:32	fendor	i know that my current channel, 19.03 has the cabal-install 2.4.1.0 version
2019-10-26 21:42:44	fendor	I have to upgrade
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2019-10-26 21:51:51	fresheyeball	ok its working!
2019-10-26 21:52:01	fresheyeball	using the cabal-install 2.x did it
2019-10-26 21:52:20	fresheyeball	I am building skill it getting hie to work on things
2019-10-26 21:52:58	fendor	yeah, hie is far from being beginners friendly. Haskell tooling in general isnt beginners friendly, but we'll get to it
2019-10-26 21:53:14	fresheyeball	well after 
2019-10-26 21:53:23	fresheyeball	- learning the nix language
2019-10-26 21:53:31	fresheyeball	- learning the haskell nix ecosystem
2019-10-26 21:53:43	fresheyeball	- learning about the complexities of cabal
2019-10-26 21:53:58	fresheyeball	its only been 3 years or so, and now I have editor tooling
2019-10-26 21:53:59	fresheyeball	haha
2019-10-26 21:55:53	fendor	yeah. But on the other hand, haskell is the only language were, although tooling isnt great, you can still get stuff done.  
2019-10-26 21:56:15	fresheyeball	its true
2019-10-26 21:56:19	fresheyeball	thank god for ghcid
2019-10-26 21:56:26	fresheyeball	I would have been screwed
2019-10-26 21:56:34	fresheyeball	and just not used Haskell
2019-10-26 21:57:22	fresheyeball	I love Haskell so much though
2019-10-26 21:57:35	fresheyeball	nothing was going to stop me from getting this far eventually
2019-10-26 21:57:54	fendor	i liked `stack build --file-watch`. The tooling story will get better ;)
2019-10-26 22:01:28	fresheyeball	it will
2019-10-26 22:01:52	fresheyeball	with the amount we know about the code thanks to immutable structure and rich types
2019-10-26 22:02:09	fresheyeball	killer tooling is possible in this space that just isn't elseware
2019-10-26 22:02:14	fresheyeball	but its hard to make that case right now
2019-10-26 22:07:00	alanz	I am hoping that in time we can get enough common context into place, in GHC, cabal, hie-bios, etc, that using the GHC API to write tools becomes really easy
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2019-10-26 22:39:34	fendor	is it possible, that cabal-plan-0.5.0.0 is incompatible with older stack lts snapshots, because they ship their own cabal-install version?
2019-10-26 22:40:02	fendor	and cabal-plan demands a cabal-version of 2.2? 
2019-10-26 22:40:22	fendor	and lts-11.18 ships with cabal-install 2.0.1.0?
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2019-10-26 23:48:52	fendor	alanz, I am hitting the issue described in #1087 and opened #1425 to track the decision to drop stack support for ghc 8.2.2
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2019-10-26 23:52:07	mpickering	fendor: Did you work on the race condition at all today?
2019-10-26 23:52:29	fendor	mpickering, no not yet. Will start with it tomorrow
2019-10-26 23:52:36	fendor	I just read the blogpost
2019-10-26 23:58:57	mpickering	ok cool
2019-10-26 23:59:10	mpickering	I'm really interested to see the graphs :P
2019-10-27 00:04:03	mpickering	It occurred to me there could be some overlap between these traces and the `-c` capturing
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2019-10-27 00:52:54	alanz	fendor, GHC 8.2.2 is dead man walking, just looking for a reason to drop it, no compelling reason to keep it
2019-10-27 00:53:31	alanz	mpickering, if we have versions on the LSP VFS, surely we cant have a race condition? if we set things up right. And I am talking about the same thing
2019-10-27 00:54:17	mpickering	well there is something going wrong
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2019-10-27 00:55:53	alanz	I know.
2019-10-27 00:57:26	mpickering	also look at this error message
2019-10-27 00:57:26	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/36
2019-10-27 00:57:37	mpickering	Firstly the file in the error isn't the fie open in the editor
2019-10-27 00:57:48	mpickering	secondly, the file in the error has a line completely reversed
2019-10-27 00:59:24	mpickering	before the temporary files were managed by ghc-mod in the Ghc thread
2019-10-27 00:59:39	mpickering	and now they are in the lsp thread
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2019-10-27 00:59:47	mpickering	which has already caused some issues
2019-10-27 01:05:41	alanz	They should only be serialized at the point where they get used. And if there is a queue delay,  then it is a problem. 
2019-10-27 01:06:05	alanz	Or they must be made canonical,  by explicitly and always using a version number
2019-10-27 01:06:19	alanz	Even if the LSP client does not send one
2019-10-27 01:13:50	fendor	alanz, so, then ghc-822's fate is pretty much sealed 
2019-10-27 01:14:14	alanz	Works for me
2019-10-27 01:14:17	fendor	theoretically we can still support it via cabal. We probably should add more CI for cabal, though
2019-10-27 01:14:56	alanz	It cant work with 8.8 anyway, because if cabal-plan not being backward compatible 
2019-10-27 01:15:10	alanz	So a matter of time
2019-10-27 01:16:26	alanz	And philosophically we discussed getting the hie architecture solid, pushing changes upstream,  even if it means only supporting more recent GHC versions
2019-10-27 01:16:51	fendor	yeah, makes sense. 
2019-10-27 01:16:55	alanz	Which gives us a better base for the future, where we can support legacy better
2019-10-27 02:30:00	mpickering	fendor: I am looking at the haskell-lsp definitions of `persistVirtualFile`
2019-10-27 02:30:23	mpickering	and it seems the whole `persistVirtualFile` should be an atomic action
2019-10-27 02:30:31	mpickering	I don't see the reasoning for using `readTVarIO`
2019-10-27 02:30:47	mpickering	I think any use of `readTVarIO` in that file is likely wrong
2019-10-27 02:33:22	fendor	Unfortunately, I am not familiar with haskell-lsp at all.. I dont even know what this LanguageContextData contains
2019-10-27 02:33:53	mpickering	I suppose this is more a question of concurrency rather than anything specific
2019-10-27 02:34:36	fendor	sometimes dirty reads are fine
2019-10-27 02:34:42	fendor	ok, i see, there is also a write
2019-10-27 02:34:49	mpickering	yeah
2019-10-27 02:35:02	fendor	ok, that is suspicuous
2019-10-27 02:35:27	mpickering	but there is also some IO going on in between
2019-10-27 02:38:43	mpickering	and you can't do IO in an STM block
2019-10-27 02:40:36	fendor	who calls persistVirtualFile? I think mainly GHC thread executes it, so there should not be a race?
2019-10-27 02:40:56	mpickering	I think it's only called from within `getTypecheckedModule`
2019-10-27 02:41:47	fendor	no, it is not
2019-10-27 02:42:31	fendor	getPersistedFile' is a wrapper around `persistVirtualFile'` and this is called in mapFileFromVFS
2019-10-27 02:46:02	fendor	that could be a race
2019-10-27 02:46:57	mpickering	I am just now looking at the code which deals with the change notification
2019-10-27 02:48:24	mpickering	why is the call to getPersistedFile in mapFileFromVFS?
2019-10-27 02:48:35	mpickering	one of the worlds most mysterious functins
2019-10-27 02:49:31	mpickering	I was looking for the bit where it updates the VFS, but that's all in haskell-lsp isn't it
2019-10-27 02:49:43	fendor	iirc, I put it there to maintain the same functionality. I think, previously, there was a call to persistVirtualFile
2019-10-27 02:49:49	fendor	yeah
2019-10-27 02:50:00	mpickering	I think `mapFileFromVFS` can be deleted
2019-10-27 02:50:12	mpickering	as its purpose before was to copy a file from the VFS to GHC mods own cache
2019-10-27 02:50:22	fendor	and to update the document version
2019-10-27 02:50:51	fendor	e.g. when there is a request queued for diangostics and the file changes, this requests needs to be cancelled
2019-10-27 02:50:58	fendor	unless haskell-lsp takes care of that, too
2019-10-27 02:51:07	mpickering	yeah but just call that bit directly
2019-10-27 02:51:14	mpickering	not via `mapFileFromVFS`
2019-10-27 02:53:37	fendor	ok, will try, it is hard, since we dont know how to actually reproduce it
2019-10-27 02:53:46	fendor	c-h-h is almost ready for merge
2019-10-27 02:54:03	fendor	builds succeed now, only some liquid-haskell test-cases fail
2019-10-27 03:06:06	mpickering	typechecking performance whilst typing is not too bad it seems
2019-10-27 03:06:20	mpickering	I think just on GHC it was worse
2019-10-27 03:06:26	mpickering	because of the hs-boot files being loaded each time
2019-10-27 03:09:06	fendor	i think performance is pretty good right now
2019-10-27 03:09:09	fendor	as well as start up time
2019-10-27 03:10:44	mpickering	Is it normal that hlint hints don't show up in diagnostics?
2019-10-27 03:15:25	mpickering	oh I think I had a filter on accidently lol
2019-10-27 03:16:23	mpickering	I can't reproduce this race after trying for 5 mins
2019-10-27 03:18:10	fendor	i also cant reliably. But it happens
2019-10-27 03:18:17	fendor	I will try tomorrow
2019-10-27 03:19:18	mpickering	if we can't reproduce it
2019-10-27 03:19:29	mpickering	best we can do is set up instrumentation so that if it does happen you can see why
2019-10-27 03:21:15	fendor	yeah, i will try to set up recoding a session
2019-10-27 03:21:17	fendor	and then play around
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2019-10-27 14:00:37	doublestop	Hello,  I wonder if anyone might help me with installing HIE on Windows 10?   So far I keep getting errors.  and the errors do not make sense! 
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2019-10-27 20:29:03	fendor	I managed to reproduce an inconsistency between the diagnostics shown and the real sources.
2019-10-27 20:29:17	fendor	currently trying to use lsp-test to see if I can reproduce it reliably
2019-10-27 20:32:55	mpickering	very nice
2019-10-27 20:33:03	mpickering	I doubt you will be able to as lsp-test doesn't preserve timings
2019-10-27 20:33:32	mpickering	but if you reproduce it by hand then ghc-events-analyse might be more useful
2019-10-27 20:36:57	fendor	I cant reliably yet. I am investigating the hypothesis, that the problem happens if the file changes during `runActionWithContext`
2019-10-27 20:40:26	mpickering	might be easier to reproduce on a big project like GHC?
2019-10-27 20:40:41	fendor	it is easier to reproduce in haskell-ide-engine
2019-10-27 20:41:33	fendor	and you are right, lsp-test seems to be unable to reproduce it...
2019-10-27 20:41:51	mpickering	lsp-test really should honour the timings as well
2019-10-27 20:42:04	mpickering	as otherwise it's not a very good "reply" functionality
2019-10-27 20:42:12	mpickering	but the bug might still depend on CPU load for example
2019-10-27 20:42:21	fendor	yeah, it totally should. 
2019-10-27 20:42:49	fendor	I also think that this bug is dependant on current load
2019-10-27 20:43:30	fendor	I triggered the error multiple times by accident while I opened multiple programs, such as okular, another instance of hie and so on... 
2019-10-27 20:44:07	fendor	luckily, a debug build of hie is so terribly slow, that it may trigger the problems anyhow
2019-10-27 20:45:19	mpickering	A debug build? linked using `-debug`?
2019-10-27 20:45:25	mpickering	why do you have that?
2019-10-27 20:45:52	fendor	i mean profiling with no optimisations. It is linked against -eventlog
2019-10-27 20:46:22	mpickering	This is an interesting combo
2019-10-27 20:47:44	fendor	I have no experience with it whatsoever :) And I need the eventlog for ghc-events-analyzer 
2019-10-27 20:47:45	mpickering	You can use `stress` to simulate a high cpu load of your system
2019-10-27 20:48:09	mpickering	if it works .. :)
2019-10-27 20:48:21	mpickering	Is there some need for profiling and no optimisation?
2019-10-27 20:49:13	fendor	I dont know, I know from C that optimisations may make debugging harder, so I thought, just disable it.
2019-10-27 20:50:35	fendor	ok, I think, lsp-test actually reproduces the problem, at least I see the diagnostics I am expecting. However, I dont know the state of the physical file that produced the diagnostics
2019-10-27 20:52:48	mpickering	did you have to hack lsp-test at all to get it to play the replay without trying to verify it produces the correct result?
2019-10-27 20:53:54	fendor	I just did replay the session and it tried to reproduce the results and reported that there were differences.
2019-10-27 20:54:53	mpickering	which is good/bad?
2019-10-27 20:56:16	fendor	probably to be expected. But I am having a hard time reading it. Also, due to the lack of temporal causality, I dont even know what went wrong when
2019-10-27 20:57:04	fendor	what I would love, is given a lsp-record file, produce a haskell source file containing the lsp-test client commands that have been sent in the recoding
2019-10-27 20:57:26	fendor	then it would be really easy to add debug information and the temporal causality would also be easier to follow
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2019-10-27 21:06:43	fendor_	does anybody have an idea what these "weak finalizer thread"'s are? https://gist.github.com/fendor/1d73c1f2a849d32f74030f5f2cc1afed
2019-10-27 21:08:11	mpickering	It's the thread where the finaliser for a weak pointer runs
2019-10-27 21:11:50	fendor	why do we have a few hundreds of them? Are they to be expected? 
2019-10-27 21:12:02	mpickering	I don't see why not
2019-10-27 21:12:08	mpickering	the RTS makes some weak pointers
2019-10-27 21:12:20	mpickering	I wouldn't worry too much about it
2019-10-27 21:12:59	fendor	ok, then it is fine
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2019-10-27 23:14:04	lukelau	fendor: do you know what the story is with LSP.Core.Options and how it relates to server capabilities?
2019-10-27 23:14:17	lukelau	I see for some server capabilities we automatically infer it based on whether or not there is a handler?
2019-10-27 23:14:23	lukelau	and other times we need to manually set it?
2019-10-27 23:14:53	fendor	lukelau, no, sorry, I am unfamiliar with haskell-lsp and how it works
2019-10-27 23:29:44	lukelau	fendor: I think it might need a bit of refactoring/restructuring. It’s quite confusing
2019-10-27 23:30:54	fendor	a lot is actually quite confusing :/ 
2019-10-27 23:44:29	fendor_	I am also encountering semi-random this error: https://gist.github.com/fendor/35e7c50cc97d7b098c4bd683306b9a23 
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2019-10-28 01:04:05	lukelau	alanz: are we good to merge https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1427 while we work on redoing haskell-lsp’s options?
2019-10-28 01:04:31	alanz	yes, to solve the problem, I guess. 
2019-10-28 01:04:40	alanz	But then we need to make the right update later
2019-10-28 01:04:59	lukelau	Yeah, that will come in a later version of haskell-lsp, it’s going to be a breaking change
2019-10-28 01:05:11	lukelau	Going through the fields of Core.Options to see what actually needs to stay there
2019-10-28 01:11:22	alanz	ok
2019-10-28 01:13:29	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/issues/195
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2019-10-28 02:58:00	alanz	fendor, on your cabal-helper-helper branch, does any of the HaRe stuff work?
2019-10-28 02:58:41	alanz	Because I am getting test failures for hie with an error like "Cannot add module FunIn7 to context: not interpreted"
2019-10-28 02:58:57	alanz	for all my tests. Using that branch hie-plugin-api
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2019-10-28 03:02:17	fendor	alanz, what would be an HaRe action? Rename, right?
2019-10-28 03:02:45	alanz	yes. I just ran your branch tests locally, two HaRe tests fail
2019-10-28 03:03:22	alanz	hmm, no, it is finding type definition in same module
2019-10-28 03:03:29	fendor	weird, in CI, only liquid haskell and gototest fails
2019-10-28 03:03:35	alanz	so I guess the HaRe module tests like rename do pass
2019-10-28 03:03:59	alanz	I know I have issues with tests locally because of cabal 3.0
2019-10-28 03:04:21	fendor	yeah, the gototest fail is very likely caused by some weirdness of stack.
2019-10-28 03:04:23	alanz	which is one of the things that needs to be sorted out as hie-bios lands
2019-10-28 03:04:52	alanz	but then it looks like I am not initialising things properly, for runIdeGhcMBare
2019-10-28 03:05:11	fendor	did you implement runIdeGhcMBare?
2019-10-28 03:05:51	alanz	yes, re-enabled a variation of the prior one, based on what happens in LspStdio
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2019-10-28 03:07:46	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/commit/1afd982194f32deff3f224539ebc7a1047ee7dbd
2019-10-28 03:08:31	fendor	that looks alright
2019-10-28 03:08:37	alanz	do I have to run that findCradle thing first?
2019-10-28 03:08:43	alanz	and if so, why?
2019-10-28 03:09:50	fendor	i dont think so, you do call eventually runActionWithContext, right?
2019-10-28 03:10:56	fendor	no, you dont with runIdeGhcM
2019-10-28 03:11:31	fendor	ok, I think I see.
2019-10-28 03:12:08	fendor	If you are waiting for typechecked modules, the ghc session needs to be initialised and then the module needs to be typechecked. 
2019-10-28 03:12:10	alanz	I am basically setting up some defaults and then calling runIdeGhcM
2019-10-28 03:12:26	alanz	is that an explicit process?
2019-10-28 03:12:41	alanz	where can I see an example?
2019-10-28 03:12:43	fendor	yeah. for hie, it happens in ModuleCache.hs
2019-10-28 03:12:56	fendor	the function `LoadCradle`
2019-10-28 03:13:00	fendor	*loadCradle
2019-10-28 03:13:34	fendor	in the last branch of the pattern match, the cradle is searched for, then `initialiseCradle` is called
2019-10-28 03:13:43	alanz	ModuleCache has runActionWithContext
2019-10-28 03:13:47	fendor	exactly
2019-10-28 03:14:20	fendor	this is a wrapper that also asks the cache whether the cradle for the given filepath has already been loaded
2019-10-28 03:14:36	fendor	the initialisation happens in "initialiseCradle" in "loadCradle"
2019-10-28 03:14:52	alanz	ok, so I need to build that into HaRe for when it asks to load a file
2019-10-28 03:15:21	alanz	which should be a NOP if it is already cached
2019-10-28 03:15:42	fendor	yes
2019-10-28 03:16:00	fendor	in the HaRe tests, there is a custom impl for runActionWithContext iirc
2019-10-28 03:16:17	alanz	yes, I have just found it
2019-10-28 03:16:18	alanz	:)
2019-10-28 03:16:46	alanz	I guess I should have looked there, when you said the tests do actually pass
2019-10-28 03:17:43	fendor	CI claims it passes :) 
2019-10-28 03:18:03	alanz	it does for me too, it is other bits that fail
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2019-10-28 03:19:35	fendor	not everything succeeds, though. As said, at least two tests fail
2019-10-28 03:29:25	alanz	the liquidhaskell ones?
2019-10-28 03:30:12	fendor	no, even hare
2019-10-28 03:30:17	fendor	gototests
2019-10-28 03:30:26	fendor	findTypeDefinition and gototest
2019-10-28 03:30:59	alanz	This is what I get as the only failures, locally: https://gist.github.com/alanz/5b6efe2140a0c186e2f173bd254393bb
2019-10-28 03:31:17	alanz	which is those two, I assume
2019-10-28 03:31:35	fendor	yes, excatly
2019-10-28 03:32:19	alanz	ok, consistent for me at least. And they don't happen for you?
2019-10-28 03:33:17	fendor_	yes, they do
2019-10-28 03:33:48	alanz	ok
2019-10-28 03:35:52	fendor	but i dont know why, it works in manual tests
2019-10-28 03:36:39	alanz	i.e. running it in an ide?
2019-10-28 03:37:28	fendor	yeah, in vscode
2019-10-28 03:37:38	fendor	or it only didnt work with stack? not quite sure atm
2019-10-28 03:38:12	alanz	ok
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2019-10-28 18:40:52	fendor	dxld, for the cabal-helper package, if I run `runQuery projectPackages env` I get the following output: https://gist.github.com/fendor/b394a61edd2ec8851027aba3c18ad476
2019-10-28 18:41:05	fendor	this does not seem to contain the executable exe:cabal-helper-main
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2019-10-28 18:45:00	fendor	ok, I understand
2019-10-28 18:45:12	fendor	the `buildable: ` field what is throwing me off
2019-10-28 18:45:40	fendor	s/what/is what/
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2019-10-28 20:45:24	fendor	can somebody review https://www.tweag.io/posts/2019-10-11-ormolu-first-release.html ? At least read the documentation and judge if they are helpful?
2019-10-28 20:50:15	fendor	nope, I meant https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/26
2019-10-28 20:50:25	fendor	wrong buffer
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2019-10-29 04:18:13	alanz	fendor, mpickering I am seeing something I don't understand with hie-bios. As per https://gist.github.com/alanz/fd2aeeb7d9295fa16e926a418b904405
2019-10-29 04:18:58	alanz	The flags picked up by the hie-bios exe include some RTS settings (which are not in the cabal file), which then break hie-plugin-api
2019-10-29 04:20:47	mpickering	alanz: Which test is this from?
2019-10-29 04:21:16	mpickering	and what exactly breaks?
2019-10-29 04:21:21	alanz	I am tryinng to run the tests in HaRe, using the hie-plugin-apu
2019-10-29 04:21:23	alanz	api
2019-10-29 04:21:30	mpickering	the RTS options shouldn't break anything I don't think
2019-10-29 04:21:58	alanz	the problem shows up at the end of that gist: Could not run in context: IdeError {ideCode = OtherError, ideMessage = "\"target \\8216+RTS\\8217 is not a module name or a source file\"", ideInfo = Null}
2019-10-29 04:22:34	alanz	basically calling runActionWithContext setTarget
2019-10-29 04:23:02	alanz	HIE.runWithContext uri (HIE.setTypecheckedModule uri)
2019-10-29 04:23:18	alanz	where runWithContext is from the HaRe tests in hie, in fendor's branch
2019-10-29 04:23:39	alanz	it works with a stack cradle, gives me that with a cabal cradle
2019-10-29 04:23:42	mpickering	What test is this?
2019-10-29 04:23:49	mpickering	probably because cabal adds those options
2019-10-29 04:24:35	alanz	I am running tests from here: https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/tree/ghc-8.8-hie-bios
2019-10-29 04:24:38	mpickering	I can't even see a cabal file
2019-10-29 04:25:21	alanz	This one: https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/blob/ghc-8.8-hie-bios/test/testdata/testdata.cabal
2019-10-29 04:25:35	mpickering	what does `cabal v2-repl -v3 testdata:a1` say?
2019-10-29 04:25:43	mpickering	(when it invokes GHC)
2019-10-29 04:25:49	mpickering	I imagine it adds +RTS there for some reason
2019-10-29 04:26:07	alanz	hold on
2019-10-29 04:26:14	mpickering	Does `hie-bios check ./Renaming/A1.hs` also fail?
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2019-10-29 04:27:48	alanz	It ends off : -XHaskell2010 ./Renaming/A1.hs -hide-all-packages -j4 '+RTS' -A32m -RTS
2019-10-29 04:28:01	alanz	where I notice the +RTS has single quotes
2019-10-29 04:28:18	alanz	and launches the REPL.
2019-10-29 04:28:37	alanz	I have no idea why it sets that memory limit
2019-10-29 04:29:23	alanz	The full output is https://gist.github.com/alanz/cffdddf6e8bc077e445ec889d1fb87fa
2019-10-29 04:30:15	alanz	~/mysrc/github/alanz/HaRe/test/testdata$ hie-bios check ./Renaming/A1.hs
2019-10-29 04:30:15	alanz	hie-bios: target ‘+RTS’ is not a module name or a source file
2019-10-29 04:30:34	mpickering	ok
2019-10-29 04:30:35	alanz	mpickering, so it fails with the same error
2019-10-29 04:30:44	mpickering	but why does it only fail in this case
2019-10-29 04:30:48	mpickering	and not for everyone
2019-10-29 04:31:18	alanz	I don't know. I specified cabal-version: >= 2.0 in that cabal file
2019-10-29 04:33:01	mpickering	what version of cabal do you have?
2019-10-29 04:33:07	alanz	3.0
2019-10-29 04:33:27	alanz	3.0.0.0
2019-10-29 04:33:53	alanz	and changing the cabal version does nothing.
2019-10-29 04:34:32	mpickering	I just tried loading `hie-bios` and it didn't add the option
2019-10-29 04:35:12	alanz	Same problem with cabal-2.4
2019-10-29 04:35:46	alanz	strange. I wonder if I have some residual cabal config floating around somehow
2019-10-29 04:36:09	alanz	using hie-bios on that HaRe repo?
2019-10-29 04:36:25	mpickering	no I just ran it on another projet
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2019-10-29 04:37:23	mpickering	I just tried the specific example and it wouldn't load for some other reason
2019-10-29 04:38:27	alanz	Using that cradle I specified?
2019-10-29 04:38:35	alanz	and you need to be in the testdata directory
2019-10-29 04:39:01	alanz	the cradle I am using is in the top of my first gist
2019-10-29 04:39:04	mpickering	ok I checked out your branch
2019-10-29 04:39:06	mpickering	and I can't reproduce it
2019-10-29 04:39:23	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/2w0UYvhl/
2019-10-29 04:39:48	alanz	I am using GHC 8.6.5
2019-10-29 04:40:21	alanz	But it is adding -j4, and the RTS stuff.
2019-10-29 04:40:33	alanz	My cabal config calls for -j9
2019-10-29 04:40:35	mpickering	sounds like you have a .cabal/config file perhaps?
2019-10-29 04:41:18	alanz	yes I do, with those options.
2019-10-29 04:41:40	alanz	As   -- From https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/bd1tfb/why_isnt_ghc_multithreaded/ekviac3
2019-10-29 04:41:40	alanz	  ghc-options: -j4 +RTS -A32m -RTS
2019-10-29 04:42:11	mpickering	So it isn't very mysterious why those options get added?
2019-10-29 04:42:14	alanz	which I put in while experimenting, then forgot about. Sorry to bother you
2019-10-29 04:42:34	mpickering	no worries, something else to keep in mind
2019-10-29 04:42:42	alanz	Its from that reddit thread, and I think toward the end the thread agrees that is bullshit anyway
2019-10-29 04:42:59	alanz	Yes, it is a valid case, loads in the repl
2019-10-29 04:43:00	mpickering	Good job you're organised and leave markers about where things came from
2019-10-29 04:43:32	mpickering	Not sure if putting it in the cabal config did the right thing anyway? because +RTS was quoted
2019-10-29 04:43:38	mpickering	but perhaps it did because it didn't error
2019-10-29 04:44:25	alanz	No idea. And I got into the habit of always referring to the origin for any weird config options I try out
2019-10-29 04:44:41	alanz	So I can answer "why?" when I look at it later
2019-10-29 04:45:24	alanz	And commenting that out lets hie-bios check work
2019-10-29 04:45:41	mpickering	I think there is an argument for always using -A32m
2019-10-29 04:46:04	mpickering	so I'll fix this at some point
2019-10-29 04:46:23	mpickering	Running hie with something like -A32m would also probably be good btw
2019-10-29 04:46:31	alanz	yes, it is bound to come up again, where people add custom arguments.
2019-10-29 04:46:46	alanz	Doesn't that set the available memory very low?
2019-10-29 04:46:53	alanz	what is the meaning of that?
2019-10-29 04:47:13	mpickering	In the hadrian/ghci.sh script I have -A128m on the recommendation of Simon Marlow
2019-10-29 04:47:57	mpickering	It's the size of the allocation area
2019-10-29 04:48:02	mpickering	the bigger it is, the less GC happens
2019-10-29 04:48:29	alanz	Yes, by 32m is quite small? or do I misunderstand the units?
2019-10-29 04:48:42	mpickering	it's 32mb
2019-10-29 04:48:52	mpickering	default is 1mb
2019-10-29 04:48:53	alanz	And I guess it depends on how much RAM you have to play with. What is the default?
2019-10-29 04:49:01	mpickering	in the hadrian/ghci.sh script it's 128mb, no one has ever complained
2019-10-29 04:49:07	alanz	ok, so that would make a huge difference.
2019-10-29 04:49:17	alanz	Anyway, I am now back to my original problem.
2019-10-29 04:49:28	mpickering	So for h-i-e a default of 128mb would probably be reasonable 
2019-10-29 04:49:30	alanz	Which is working out why I dont get a module graph, ie,
2019-10-29 04:49:31	alanz	  1) Renaming.Renaming renames in D1 B1 C1 A1 6 6
2019-10-29 04:49:31	alanz	       expected: ["Renaming/D1.hs","Renaming/A1.hs","Renaming/B1.hs","Renaming/C1.hs"]
2019-10-29 04:49:31	alanz	        but got: ["Renaming/D1.hs"]
2019-10-29 04:49:48	mpickering	Because those modules are not listed in the cabal file
2019-10-29 04:49:52	mpickering	I would guess
2019-10-29 04:50:12	alanz	I open D1.hs, which is used by that target (A1.hs)
2019-10-29 04:50:25	mpickering	gtg now sorry
2019-10-29 04:50:32	alanz	so if you are loading the target, you should get the whole module graph. 
2019-10-29 04:50:35	alanz	NP, thanks
2019-10-29 04:50:36	mpickering	open an issue if you don't figure it out
2019-10-29 04:50:46	alanz	will do
2019-10-29 05:05:09	alanz	mpickering, FYI on cabal, because I did that to check for strange config: https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/6318
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2019-10-29 05:37:19	DavSanchez	Hi guys! Can I ask what the "^." operator means in the HIE codebase?
2019-10-29 05:37:27	DavSanchez	I was reviewing this code: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs#L703-L724
2019-10-29 05:37:51	DavSanchez	Is this a common operator in Haskell or a custom one?
2019-10-29 05:39:08	DavSanchez	I see it's imported from Control.Lens
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2019-10-29 18:13:46	fendor	c-h-h is almost done
2019-10-29 18:14:07	fendor	I can navigate hie, including submodules and test components
2019-10-29 18:14:26	fendor	however, switching components sometimes crashes hie
2019-10-29 18:22:43	jneira_	great!
2019-10-29 18:35:14	jneira_	the issue with components of different modules with the same name is fixed too?
2019-10-29 18:35:28	jneira_	(like in the dhall project)
2019-10-29 18:39:37	fendor	no, but in my opinion, this is not an issue we can fix in hie.
2019-10-29 18:41:20	jneira_	oh, yeah, you commented that in the pr
2019-10-29 18:42:03	jneira_	in any case it is not a blocker for an eventual merge imo
2019-10-29 18:43:17	fendor	the problem is, that the package we obtain from c-h looks like this: https://gist.github.com/fendor/445d7be87d4b240233a2d87d123681c9 
2019-10-29 18:43:39	fendor	note "test:tasty". Not much we can do about it in c-h-h.
2019-10-29 18:46:04	jneira_	i continue getting the `lintCmd: no access to the persisted file`in both hie branches hie-bios and c-h-h, maybe it is related with https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/36 
2019-10-29 18:46:37	jneira_	but only in windows
2019-10-29 18:48:12	fendor	jneira_, that often happens when you for exmaple open a file, start to typecheck it and then close it while it is typechecking. While it is getting typechecked, hlint tries to read the virtual file that has been closed, and shows this warning
2019-10-29 18:48:47	fendor	We could just not produce a warning and do `IdeResultOk []` instead
2019-10-29 18:49:12	fendor	And I am pretty sure, that it is safe to turn this into a log message
2019-10-29 18:50:01	jneira_	yeah, it seems it doesnt interfere with the execution 
2019-10-29 18:51:41	fendor	it doesnt, it is just a warning that the virtual file has been closed between requesting diagnostics and producing them
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2019-10-30 03:21:12	zeta_0	hello guys, back again, i am still having problems with hie running slow in emacs, the only thing that i can think of that is slowing it down is flymake, i have it disabled but it still turns on and when i create a file it will make a corresponding .flymake file, why is this and how do i fix it ?
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2019-10-30 03:21:58	zeta_0	i have flycheck configured, i don't know why hie wants to use flymake as well ?
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2019-10-30 03:34:50	zeta_0	i am going to try out a few more things, i'll let you guys know if i was able to fix it or not
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2019-10-30 15:30:08	mpickering	I wish there was a way to tell haskell-ide-engine to never, ever, ever use stack under any circumstance
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2019-10-30 15:34:39	infinisil	mpickering: I think it would be very reasonable to have a config file for h-i-e
2019-10-30 15:35:02	mpickering	perhaps just an option in vscode would be good enough
2019-10-30 15:36:51	michaelpj	that would be great - I have a stack.yaml in my project for people who use stack but I mostly use cabal and Nix, and it's annoying if it tries to use stack all the time
2019-10-30 15:37:05	mpickering	my idea for this was to get people to commit hie.yaml files
2019-10-30 15:37:17	mpickering	but I suppose you could get rogues committing hie.yaml files which say to use stack
2019-10-30 15:38:13	mpickering	Then the question is about what to do then? Look for hie.yaml.local?
2019-10-30 15:39:32	michaelpj	yeah, I'm unclear whether we should consider `hie.yaml` files committable, since they're arguably per-person configuration
2019-10-30 15:40:03	michaelpj	hie.yaml.local isn't a terrible idea
2019-10-30 15:40:36	michaelpj	e.g. I find cabal.project.local quite useful
2019-10-30 15:41:20	infinisil	Please no yaml though!
2019-10-30 15:44:46	mpickering	what instead? It's what everyone uses..
2019-10-30 15:45:02	mpickering	The most complicated configs are about 10 lines
2019-10-30 15:45:11	mpickering	I know it's hard to write but really not a big deal that it's yaml
2019-10-30 15:45:34	mpickering	I did have a dhall config and upgrading the library broke the config in a way I couldn't debug
2019-10-30 15:45:44	mpickering	because they changed the specification of the language somehow
2019-10-30 15:46:37	infinisil	Dhall would be my first choice, but my second would be toml
2019-10-30 15:47:30	mpickering	The dhall library also has so many dependencies
2019-10-30 15:51:25	jneira_	hte cabal-helper-helper branch choose cabal over stack if the project has both stack.yaml and cabal.project
2019-10-30 15:52:35	jneira_	Not sure if it would fit all users preferences but maybe it would be handy to use cabal for those projects
2019-10-30 15:53:44	jneira_	A config option to choose between cabal and stack user and project wide is a must imo
2019-10-30 16:09:27	jneira_	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1432
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2019-10-30 16:19:30	jneira_	mpickering: what do you think about add support for ghcjs and eta in hie-bios? it would be factible?
2019-10-30 16:19:46	mpickering	I'm not sure the question makes sense
2019-10-30 16:19:48	mpickering	how would this work?
2019-10-30 16:21:25	jneira_	good question, i am afraid that i dont know the hie-bios internals enough to answer :thinking:
2019-10-30 16:22:02	mpickering	I was under the impression that people who used ghcjs still used ghci
2019-10-30 16:22:08	mpickering	and also under the impression that eta was a dead project
2019-10-30 16:25:56	jneira_	well eta still has active users and although the development is somewhat stalled it continue being usable
2019-10-30 16:26:36	jneira_	the cradle would use etlas (a fork of cabal) instead cabal
2019-10-30 16:31:02	jneira_	and for ghcjs maybe adding the `--ghcjs` option to the cabal cradle would work (???)
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2019-10-30 17:08:30	jneira_	i forgot that ghcjs still doesnt have support for `--interactive` :-/
2019-10-30 17:09:24	mpickering	People use jsaddle for loading ghcjs projects into ghci
2019-10-30 17:14:18	jneira_	mmm thanks for the info, it reminds me the way eta added support for a repl, firing up a server and using `-fexternal-interpreter`
2019-10-30 17:17:14	jneira_	but it seems cabal didnt integrate jsaddle to run `cabal v2-repl --ghcjs`: it terminates without errors and without repl 
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2019-10-30 21:31:05	fendor	output from c-h, can someone explain this: https://gist.github.com/fendor/330866778916b7d00bafa03a1c9b0262 in particular the component pretty, has a dependency on fprog, but the package id of fprog is just wrecked
2019-10-30 21:32:09	fendor	fprog is the name of the library in that package
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2019-10-30 23:07:44	mpickering	fendor: Which bit am I looking at?
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2019-10-31 03:16:07	fendor	mpickering, sorry, I couldnt answer before
2019-10-31 03:17:22	fendor	the ciGhcOptions contain a package "fprog-0.1.0.0-vSArc5tMpoDMp0CBFo2wW", which it doesnt find. In my opinion, this package is wrong, since it should be "fprog-0.1.0.0-inplace", since it is the library of the package "fprog"
2019-10-31 03:18:18	fendor	in the plan.json of newstyle-dist, the dependency is correctly listed as "fprog-0.1.0.0-inplace".
2019-10-31 03:20:16	fendor	If I have a cabal.project, which causes c-h to identify my project as a cabal project, everything works as expected. If it identifies it as a stack project, this garbage package-name is listed in the ciGhcOptions
2019-10-31 03:26:11	fendor	other than that, I consider c-h-h to be done, I just want to add an exhaustive documentation of the implementation's invariants and assumptions
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2019-10-31 04:36:08	alanz	mpickering, would your multi-cradle be able to distinguish between dd2 and dd3 if it was given the paths with file names, in  https://gist.github.com/alanz/92b2cd77d41fbd4f3f8991a6c3316620?
2019-10-31 04:36:44	 *	alanz likes the way irccloud renders that inline
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2019-10-31 05:52:44	mpickering	fendor: What does using a cabal or stack cradle explicitly do? `hie-bios flags ...`?
2019-10-31 05:53:31	mpickering	I think so alanz? you would just specify a path to the exact file
2019-10-31 05:54:18	fendor	alanz, yes, it would be able to distinguish that
2019-10-31 05:55:19	fendor	mpickering, this is output from cabal-helper-helper, kind of unrelated to hie-bios, which works, afaik
2019-10-31 05:56:31	mpickering	well I'm wondering if it's a bug in stack perhaps or cabal
2019-10-31 05:56:36	mpickering	or a bug in c-h
2019-10-31 05:56:50	fendor	yeah, me too
2019-10-31 05:57:39	fendor	but it is unrelated to my implementation, so... After adding documentation, c-h-h branch is finally done
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2019-10-31 15:52:17	mpickering	GHC is failing to load into h-i-e for some reason
2019-10-31 15:52:24	mpickering	and the logging is not sufficient anymore to work out why
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2019-10-31 16:05:27	mpickering	also someone changed the version number... which meant I was using the wrong version for ages
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2019-10-31 18:06:11	mpickering	fendor: I can easily reproduce this sync problem when working on GHC
2019-10-31 18:06:20	mpickering	as in, it happens every 10 minutes
2019-10-31 18:06:39	fendor	yeah, but it happens on accident, not with a specific set of actions, right?
2019-10-31 18:06:52	mpickering	I haven't worked out the set of actions yet
2019-10-31 18:07:05	mpickering	but this is why I want the eventlog so we can try and analyse it after the fact
2019-10-31 18:08:12	mpickering	seems to be if I quickly save multiple times
2019-10-31 18:08:30	mpickering	perhaps the issue is that some queued requests end up getting cancelled or something
2019-10-31 18:09:19	fendor	yeah, that sounds possible. 
2019-10-31 18:09:44	mpickering	Another thing we need to fix is that we need to act like GHCi :r
2019-10-31 18:09:47	fendor	i tried the eventlog, but I was unable to produce anything that looked promising
2019-10-31 18:09:48	mpickering	and reload all modules on a save
2019-10-31 18:09:50	mpickering	rather than just dependencies
2019-10-31 18:09:54	mpickering	ok
2019-10-31 18:10:56	fendor	would that mean, if I change something in package A that files in package B that depend on A will be recompiled? 
2019-10-31 18:11:08	mpickering	No just dealing with one package
2019-10-31 18:11:31	mpickering	If you change the type of something in package A then it doesn't trigger compilation of modules which depend on the module you just modified
2019-10-31 18:11:46	mpickering	basically I will look at how `:r` works
2019-10-31 18:12:06	fendor	alright, sounds great! 
2019-10-31 18:12:21	fendor	I will finish up documentation for c-h-h, making it ready for merge
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2019-10-31 20:46:10	mpickering	fendor: Can you think of anything going wrong if we reuse the same temporary file to support diagnostics whilst typing?
2019-10-31 20:47:41	fendor	mpickering, I cant, but I also have never written a tool that does something comparable. At most there is a race between updating a file and type-checking a file
2019-10-31 20:48:43	mpickering	it might magically fix our other issues..
2019-10-31 20:50:41	fendor	mpickering, yeah, I can imagine, but there might still be a race, right?
2019-10-31 20:51:11	mpickering	The reason I want to do this is to support reloading everything rather than just dependencies of the module you are editing
2019-10-31 20:51:38	mpickering	perhaps I am overthinking it
2019-10-31 20:52:15	fendor	I mean, why did we create a tmp file for every change in the first place?
2019-10-31 20:52:46	mpickering	because the CPP phase didn't work with virtual buffers
2019-10-31 20:53:23	fendor	ah ok
2019-10-31 20:53:28	fendor	that problem would still arise, right?
2019-10-31 20:54:17	mpickering	"that problem" being?
2019-10-31 20:54:31	mpickering	The issue I have is that at the start we use `setTargets` to set the GHC API targets to everything
2019-10-31 20:54:45	fendor	I have to go, I finished up the documentation for c-h-h https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/26 please sanity check and grammar check! 
2019-10-31 20:54:49	mpickering	ok
2019-10-31 20:55:08	fendor	happy halloween! 
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2019-11-01 02:18:48	alanz	mpickering, fendor, about race conditions. We get a version number from the client. We should use that in the temporary filename we use. If the client does not explictly send a version number, we can generate our own. That leads to deterministic immutable temporary file names
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2019-11-01 03:33:54	mpickering	I'm not sure it is a race
2019-11-01 03:34:30	mpickering	but naming the virtual files better is a good idea anyway
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2019-11-01 03:38:21	alanz	ok. For me it has worked reliably for ages, using the current master.
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2019-11-01 03:40:04	alanz	So either a) constructing the VFS based on the received edits, b) serialising that to a file or c) the file getting corrupted through multiple writes (race condition) 
2019-11-01 03:40:16	mpickering	not sure that multiple writes can happen
2019-11-01 03:40:21	mpickering	because a new temp file is used each time
2019-11-01 03:40:40	mpickering	not sure how the file name is chosen though
2019-11-01 03:40:46	alanz	or something else has changed in terms of how GHC consumes the file
2019-11-01 03:41:06	mpickering	the main change is managing the VFS completely in the LSP thread
2019-11-01 03:41:18	mpickering	because the GHC thread was also involved because ghc-mod managed the reverse file map
2019-11-01 03:42:13	alanz	I wonder if there is contention between the hie-lsp thread and the lsp core one
2019-11-01 03:42:58	alanz	There *is* an issue to be looked into that says that reading the rope can cause it to change its representation
2019-11-01 03:43:10	alanz	and we need to make sure it does not bite us
2019-11-01 03:43:26	mpickering	link?
2019-11-01 03:43:48	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/issues/165
2019-11-01 03:43:54	mpickering	I also need to fix the recompilation with hs-boot files
2019-11-01 03:44:01	mpickering	as you really feel it badly when working on GHC
2019-11-01 03:44:03	alanz	I put that in after I read the wikipedia article on splay trees
2019-11-01 03:44:24	alanz	so it is a thing to check, but may not be relevant
2019-11-01 03:44:37	mpickering	ok we really don't have a lot of ideas
2019-11-01 03:44:45	mpickering	I was reproducing it reliably though when working on GHC
2019-11-01 03:44:55	mpickering	so the theory is that if typechecking takes a while it's more likely to happen
2019-11-01 03:45:06	mpickering	and something to do with saving in quick succession
2019-11-01 03:45:22	mpickering	I found the logs too noisy to understand though
2019-11-01 03:45:23	alanz	could it be something stupid like the VFS getting confused between a file and its hs-boot variant?
2019-11-01 03:45:43	mpickering	It's like some updates to the VFS just don't make it
2019-11-01 03:46:05	mpickering	Is there a convenient way to disable everything apart from diagnostics?
2019-11-01 03:46:17	alanz	For me we should move all the VFS functionality into one place, inside haskell-lsp
2019-11-01 03:46:33	mpickering	Isn't it already?
2019-11-01 03:46:49	alanz	It used to be, have not looked recently.
2019-11-01 03:47:00	mpickering	there is certainly some cross-thread action though
2019-11-01 03:47:04	alanz	I am talking about the serialisation out to a temp file too
2019-11-01 03:47:09	mpickering	as `persistVirtualFile` is called from the GHC thread
2019-11-01 03:47:22	mpickering	that's also in haskell-lsp
2019-11-01 03:47:38	alanz	Because then we can manage locking in one place, if it is needed
2019-11-01 03:50:40	mpickering	Is there any locking?
2019-11-01 03:51:34	mpickering	I could try moving the call to persistVirtualFile into the lsp thread
2019-11-01 03:52:30	alanz	I was just looking at things, the LanguageContextData is accessed from multiple threads
2019-11-01 03:52:41	mpickering	I'm busy trying something else to make performance better though
2019-11-01 03:53:12	alanz	So it would make sense to either put a lock on the VFS field, or move it into the same thread to manage the access
2019-11-01 03:53:49	alanz	which aspect of performance?
2019-11-01 03:53:51	mpickering	Are you thinking the race is something like "LSP thread is overloaded so doesn't process updates fast enough to VFS so GHC thread persists an old copy of the file"
2019-11-01 03:54:03	mpickering	time taken to GC
2019-11-01 03:54:25	mpickering	this is modifying GHC so long term gains
2019-11-01 03:54:33	alanz	I am thinking it is something like: VFS is being accessed by thread A to write the file out, part way through a new edit comes in and thread B mutates it
2019-11-01 03:54:54	mpickering	Are there more than two threads?
2019-11-01 03:54:58	mpickering	I thought there were just two
2019-11-01 03:55:04	alanz	this TVar stuff just brings global variables back in by the backdoor
2019-11-01 03:55:16	mpickering	`readTVarIO` seems pretty dangerous
2019-11-01 03:55:28	mpickering	especially when coupled with `atomically $ modifyTVar`
2019-11-01 03:55:32	alanz	there are a whole bunch of them. I did a diagram of them all for my own sake at some point
2019-11-01 03:55:37	alanz	agree
2019-11-01 03:55:53	mpickering	I think I implemented that without understand what was happening
2019-11-01 03:55:57	alanz	I think haksell-lsp has two, to manage the inbound and outbound comms
2019-11-01 03:55:57	mpickering	but I copied an existing pattern
2019-11-01 03:56:20	alanz	and hie has has a main message loop, and then the GHC and pure ones
2019-11-01 03:56:22	mpickering	really the whole transaction needs to be in one block and it should return an IO action or something. 
2019-11-01 03:56:32	mpickering	ok :) 
2019-11-01 03:56:43	alanz	I think I should draw it out some time
2019-11-01 03:57:30	alanz	It is based on a simple message passing architecture, each thread waits on an inbox, processes whatever message, then waits for the next one. So no locking needed on the state in that loop
2019-11-01 03:57:46	alanz	But if we have a shared TVar between them, then the isolation is poked
2019-11-01 03:58:28	alanz	and it becomes a lot harder to reason about
2019-11-01 03:58:58	alanz	One possible solution is to inject a message into the comms loop in haskell-lsp to dump the VFS to a given external file
2019-11-01 03:59:40	mpickering	How do you engineer the block?
2019-11-01 03:59:41	alanz	which could still happen via the same function call in the hie side, just have a different action in haskell-lsp. Message passing rather than direct action
2019-11-01 04:00:00	mpickering	because I think that persistVirtualFile can't be right now
2019-11-01 04:00:02	mpickering	as it never blocks
2019-11-01 04:00:16	alanz	then the VFS is only ever touched in the haskell-lsp comms loop, so it does not need blocking
2019-11-01 04:00:27	mpickering	and if the queue has any messages in it which haven't been processed then it will do the wrong thing
2019-11-01 04:00:41	alanz	or rather, the persist requests go into the message box, and get queued in between the client messages
2019-11-01 04:01:11	mpickering	So let's be concrete hete
2019-11-01 04:01:13	mpickering	*here
2019-11-01 04:01:24	mpickering	Action 1: A file gets saved so we need to typecheck it
2019-11-01 04:01:37	alanz	well, however you lock it, you will have that problem, it is a shared resource, with contention
2019-11-01 04:01:46	alanz	ok
2019-11-01 04:01:57	mpickering	2. We call setTypecheckedModule which then needs to get access to the VFS which is in another thread
2019-11-01 04:02:14	mpickering	so how does that bit work?
2019-11-01 04:02:39	mpickering	We need to block at that point until we know the VFS is in the right state
2019-11-01 04:02:44	alanz	I have not looked at the code in enough detail recently to be able to give a concrete answer
2019-11-01 04:03:10	mpickering	perhaps we can create an MVar which is passed to each thread
2019-11-01 04:03:11	alanz	but basically the VFS should always be in a right state, except for when it is being mutated based on a message from the client.
2019-11-01 04:03:26	mpickering	It's possible it is behind if there is a queue of requests
2019-11-01 04:03:50	mpickering	So when you call `setTypecheckedModule` you pass it an `MVar FilePath`
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2019-11-01 04:03:54	alanz	yes, but that does not lead to corruption. Just a different time-snapshot of the file being edited
2019-11-01 04:04:09	mpickering	and you also send a `persistVirtualFile` request to `haskell-lsp` land which fills in the MVar after the file is persisted
2019-11-01 04:05:24	alanz	that could work.
2019-11-01 04:05:26	mpickering	which means the GHC thread will be blocked waiting for the `MVar` to be filled in
2019-11-01 04:05:55	mpickering	and all other dodgy uses of `readTVarIO` which do dirty reads could be changed similarly 
2019-11-01 04:06:03	mpickering	right, thanks a lot Alan
2019-11-01 04:06:21	alanz	I just wonder if it is not simpler to be explicit, and put a lock around access to the VFS, then it is managed in one module, which manages the lock and access
2019-11-01 04:06:47	alanz	rather than making it the responsiblity of the various users to do that. 
2019-11-01 04:06:53	mpickering	By a lock you mean `MVar ()`?
2019-11-01 04:07:03	alanz	But I guess that is what you are proposing, with the MVar, 
2019-11-01 04:07:13	mpickering	I am proposing a safe API
2019-11-01 04:07:21	alanz	and it would be part of the signature to the persistVirtualFileFunc
2019-11-01 04:07:26	mpickering	I am not very experienced writing concurrent programs though
2019-11-01 04:07:53	mpickering	Yeah the type of `persistVirtualFileFunc` is then `MVar FilePath -> URI -> IO ()` or something like that
2019-11-01 04:08:37	alanz	I would like to take a look at it from a concurrency perspective, we started out with a particular philosophy, I would prefer to keep things in a same style, it makes it easier to understand
2019-11-01 04:09:12	alanz	but fundamentally there has to be cross-thread synchronisation for this, so an MVar is probably the best mechanism
2019-11-01 04:09:38	mpickering	who implemented all this concurrency stuff?
2019-11-01 04:09:39	mpickering	did you do it?
2019-11-01 04:09:40	alanz	With the proviso that we use deterministic file names
2019-11-01 04:09:50	alanz	Yes. The initial architecture anyway
2019-11-01 04:10:14	alanz	then others jumped in and did some fairly major rework, especially on the hie side
2019-11-01 04:10:28	alanz	in terms of TVars and the like, for cancels and so on
2019-11-01 04:10:50	mpickering	ok I think we have worked a lot to make things simpler again
2019-11-01 04:10:59	mpickering	or at least to ask the question about why everything is the way it is
2019-11-01 04:11:08	mpickering	before making it more complicated potentially..
2019-11-01 04:11:14	alanz	yes, always good to do that.
2019-11-01 04:11:24	mpickering	but the GHC API code always gets out of control so fast
2019-11-01 04:11:31	mpickering	that I need to comment every line in the module loading functionality
2019-11-01 04:12:01	alanz	And some day I think we should actually add Architecture Decision Records, as per 
2019-11-01 04:12:29	alanz	I think the more hie-related stuff we can push upstream into GHC and cabal the better
2019-11-01 04:12:44	alanz	as per https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/495
2019-11-01 04:13:03	mpickering	yeah but you know it's hard to work out exactly what you need because everything is basically already there
2019-11-01 04:13:31	mpickering	I think the big improvement will be structured errors
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2019-11-01 04:13:34	alanz	I think it is about packaging it in a way that makes sense for GHC API users
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2019-11-01 04:13:39	alanz	agree
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2019-11-01 04:14:25	mpickering	and just the fact fendor, zubin and I rewrote the code will hopefully make it better in at least some way
2019-11-01 04:14:26	mpickering	lol
2019-11-01 04:15:06	alanz	the more people looking at this stuff and asking questions the better
2019-11-01 04:15:30	alanz	There is nothing holy in the code, and the goalposts are moving all the time
2019-11-01 04:15:54	alanz	lukelau, congratulations on your first GHC commit. If gitlab is to be believed
2019-11-01 04:18:52	alanz	mpickering, I have found it very heartening to see the progress on hie this last while, by you guys. It is a sign of the strength of the project that there are so many people contributing meaningfully
2019-11-01 04:19:56	 *	alanz back to playing with multi-cradles and HaRe
2019-11-01 04:23:51	lukelau	alanz: i think its my second commit, but gitlab seems to mark that as my first contribution. maybe something funny went on with marge bot
2019-11-01 04:24:10	alanz	I wondered about that, to be honest
2019-11-01 04:24:21	alanz	Good to see in any case
2019-11-01 04:24:33	lukelau	hopefully first of many
2019-11-01 04:24:43	lukelau	made those commits to get the docs for ghc 8.8 seeing as its not up on hackage yet
2019-11-01 04:25:52	alanz	good.
2019-11-01 04:26:11	alanz	FYI I have been building with --docs=no-sphinx
2019-11-01 04:26:34	alanz	it still generates haddocks, just not the other parts.  Which is the user guide I guess
2019-11-01 04:27:04	mpickering	Luke, fyi the docs are online
2019-11-01 04:27:29	mpickering	https://downloads.haskell.org/ghc/8.8.1/docs/html/
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2019-11-01 04:36:56	lukelau	mpickering: christmas has come early
2019-11-01 04:37:10	mpickering	they have been there since the release :P
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2019-11-01 17:41:45	mpickering	fendor: Removing `mapFileFromVFS` stops things working lol
2019-11-01 17:42:21	fendor	indeed lol, you are calling updateDocumentVersion, though?
2019-11-01 17:42:47	mpickering	No I just commented it out
2019-11-01 17:43:02	mpickering	I have some nicer output from ghc-events-analyse now
2019-11-01 17:43:10	mpickering	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OzXe0PjX/hie.timed.svg
2019-11-01 17:44:48	fendor	can you read anything from that?
2019-11-01 17:45:53	mpickering	only that typechecking takes a while
2019-11-01 17:45:59	mpickering	that isn't the best one I made
2019-11-01 17:46:08	mpickering	as I broke it because of removing `mapFileFromVFS`
2019-11-01 17:46:57	fendor	yeah, same.
2019-11-01 17:48:04	fendor	I think the call to `getPersistedFile'` was also important, but I cant remember why. It persists the virtual file to physical filesystem, iirc
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2019-11-01 17:57:31	mpickering	yeah it shouldn't be important
2019-11-01 17:57:41	mpickering	because it's called also in setTypecheckedModule
2019-11-01 17:59:11	fendor	maybe the persisted file is already important in runActionWithContext?
2019-11-01 18:05:34	fendor	it might be interesting to compare the files returned by "pluginGetFile" and "getPersistedFile" to see if they are out of sync
2019-11-01 18:05:53	fendor	in setTypcheckedModule_load
2019-11-01 18:06:35	fendor	we can add an assertion. Then look at anyone that actually updates the virtual file.
2019-11-01 18:08:41	mpickering	if we can work out what to assert
2019-11-01 18:08:44	mpickering	then yes
2019-11-01 18:11:09	fendor	the contents of the virtual file must be equal to the contents of the physical file, no?
2019-11-01 18:11:39	mpickering	on a save, yes
2019-11-01 18:11:46	mpickering	so that seems like a good thing to assert
2019-11-01 18:11:54	mpickering	I have somehow got into refactoring other things
2019-11-01 18:13:02	fendor	that is great, there is a lot of stuff to refactor
2019-11-01 18:13:23	fendor	i will try to add the assertion
2019-11-01 18:14:04	mpickering	I managed to reproduce the issue once this morning
2019-11-01 18:14:12	mpickering	and also tried reproducing it under high CPU load
2019-11-01 18:14:15	mpickering	that dind't work
2019-11-01 18:15:22	fendor	yeah, i tried "stress", too, with no success. Sometimes it happens all the time, then it doesnt happen for hours
2019-11-01 18:15:53	mpickering	I was wondering whether it only happened when GHC decided to use more than one core
2019-11-01 18:18:04	fendor	i dunno... how could that be the cause?
2019-11-01 18:18:44	mpickering	I'm trying every idea ha
2019-11-01 18:19:01	mpickering	but if it assigns threads to different cores then won't it make races more likely?
2019-11-01 18:19:17	mpickering	I'm not that sure how the scheduler works
2019-11-01 18:21:20	mpickering	I deleted `mapFileFromVFS` now and things still work :)
2019-11-01 18:21:26	mpickering	after adding back the call to update the document version
2019-11-01 18:22:48	fendor	ok, yeah, then at least this fits to our expectations :D 
2019-11-01 18:23:18	mpickering	If you save again whilst `setTypcheckModule` is working then what happens?
2019-11-01 18:24:15	mpickering	It seems that all the requests just get queued
2019-11-01 18:24:17	mpickering	but sometimes not
2019-11-01 18:25:58	fendor	the requests should be queues, but already queues requests should be cancelled due to updateDocumentVersion
2019-11-01 18:27:55	fendor	*queued
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2019-11-01 19:31:27	fendor	mpickering, did you ever encounter errors like that? https://gist.github.com/fendor/35e7c50cc97d7b098c4bd683306b9a23
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2019-11-01 21:04:21	mpickering	Nope
2019-11-01 21:18:25	fendor	I am getting rather often on the hie code-base
2019-11-01 21:21:54	mpickering	ok
2019-11-01 21:22:14	mpickering	looks a bit strange to be generating object files at all
2019-11-01 21:24:03	fendor	there are a few such object files in /run/user/1000/ghc* dirs
2019-11-01 21:26:14	fendor	but I got to capture the error, as well as the virtual file state that produces the error
2019-11-01 21:26:52	fendor	I will look at lsp messages and trace NotDidChangeTextDocument messages to see if there is a message swallowed or something like that
2019-11-01 21:28:01	fendor	s/I got to capture/I captured/
2019-11-01 21:30:58	mpickering	What object file is it?
2019-11-01 21:31:01	mpickering	for which module?
2019-11-01 21:32:39	fendor	It happened for hie-plugin-api/Haskell/IDE/Engine/Cradle.hs
2019-11-01 21:32:49	fendor	or while editing it
2019-11-01 21:33:03	fendor	I can paste a log when I encounter it again
2019-11-01 21:42:59	mpickering	perhaps it is caused by Template Haskell
2019-11-01 21:44:14	fendor	there is no th in Cradle.hs
2019-11-01 21:44:52	fendor	I got something interesting: https://gist.github.com/fendor/86fa32194052ebcdbd3fbb3997a31ab4
2019-11-01 21:45:11	fendor	note 55-57 and 115 to 116
2019-11-01 21:45:33	fendor	the lsp didchange notification is at line 59
2019-11-01 21:46:16	mpickering	what am I looking at here?
2019-11-01 21:47:01	fendor	two virtual file states. After applying a NotDidChangeTextDocument message, the virtual file is changed to the one below
2019-11-01 21:47:24	fendor	you see that in line 115, a new line is lost for some reason, compared to line 55-56
2019-11-01 21:47:58	fendor	I think, this is the problem that virtual file and physical file are out of sync
2019-11-01 21:48:28	mpickering	Are we already in agreement the problem is in `persistVirtualFile`?
2019-11-01 21:49:22	fendor	No, I have no idea where it is. And given the transition of the virtual file from version 444 to 445, I am not sure if the problem isnt rather in haskell-lsp
2019-11-01 21:49:39	mpickering	Look at `persistVirtualFile` in `haskell-lsp`
2019-11-01 21:49:43	mpickering	It calls `readTVarIO`
2019-11-01 21:49:47	mpickering	and then `modifyTVar`
2019-11-01 21:50:02	mpickering	so if inbetween these two calls the VFS is updated
2019-11-01 21:50:10	mpickering	the update will be lost on the call to `modify`
2019-11-01 21:51:13	fendor	yeah, that looks like a race, but would that explain the behaviour in  https://gist.github.com/fendor/86fa32194052ebcdbd3fbb3997a31ab4 ?
2019-11-01 21:52:31	mpickering	so this morning I was trying to work out how to get something to execute on the same thread that `applyUpdates` is called on
2019-11-01 21:53:30	mpickering	or perhaps making `persistVirtualFile` atomic will be enough to mask the issue
2019-11-01 21:54:12	fendor	idk, but I still dont know how we could have lost this newline
2019-11-01 21:54:20	fendor	between to virtual file versions
2019-11-01 21:54:58	fendor	*two
2019-11-01 21:55:19	mpickering	what was the editing sequence?
2019-11-01 21:56:17	fendor	random noise.
2019-11-01 21:56:27	fendor	moving lines
2019-11-01 21:56:57	fendor	I was marking all comments and moving them around with "alt" + keyboard arrows
2019-11-01 21:57:59	mpickering	I think this problem might be impossible to reproduce for me now
2019-11-01 21:58:13	mpickering	because I suspect that now I removed `mapFileFromVFS`
2019-11-01 21:58:30	fendor	I cant even reproduce it, so... 
2019-11-01 21:58:41	mpickering	and don't have diagnostics on typing that many fewer calls to `persistVirtualFile` will happen
2019-11-01 21:58:50	mpickering	You did for this example though?
2019-11-01 21:59:08	fendor	yeah, by pressing random buttons until I saw it and then looked in the logs
2019-11-01 21:59:30	fendor	which led me to the given Virtual File version and the only lsp change notification that was in between
2019-11-01 21:59:39	mpickering	So let's just fix persistVirtualFile and then see if it still happens?
2019-11-01 22:00:02	fendor	alright. any ideas on how to fix it?
2019-11-01 22:00:40	mpickering	yeah I had an idea that we use an `MVar` to block `setTypecheckedModule` until `persistVirtualFile` was ready
2019-11-01 22:00:49	mpickering	but I suspect that making the persisting atomic would be enough
2019-11-01 22:01:08	mpickering	Lemme push up my branch 
2019-11-01 22:02:39	fendor	doesnt setTypecheckedModule call getPersistedFile which uses persistVirtualFile in the end?
2019-11-01 22:02:48	mpickering	yes this is the issue
2019-11-01 22:03:24	mpickering	So the goal is to make `persistFileVFS` atomic in `haskell-lsp`
2019-11-01 22:03:38	mpickering	oh no wrong function
2019-11-01 22:03:52	fendor	persistVirtualFile
2019-11-01 22:04:23	mpickering	yeah
2019-11-01 22:06:03	mpickering	the problem is that you don't know how to update the map until you do the IO action
2019-11-01 22:06:12	mpickering	because only at that point do you discover the filename
2019-11-01 22:07:20	mpickering	So I was trying to make the temporary files have predictable names
2019-11-01 22:07:34	mpickering	I just pushed a branch to haskell-lsp which moves towards this
2019-11-01 22:07:57	mpickering	Then you can return an `IO` action from `persistVirtualFile` which when you call it writes out the temporary file
2019-11-01 22:08:28	wz1000	problems with the VFS?
2019-11-01 22:08:44	mpickering	perhaps this could also be fixed with not trying to cache the filename in the VFS
2019-11-01 22:08:50	mpickering	and just always making a new file
2019-11-01 22:09:06	wz1000	We can get rid of the entire thing once we drop support for ghcs older than 8.8
2019-11-01 22:09:23	fendor	wz1000, that is gonna take a while
2019-11-01 22:09:24	mpickering	:) 
2019-11-01 22:09:33	fendor	first we gotta support ghc 8.8
2019-11-01 22:10:13	wz1000	it might be worthwhile to do it for 8.8 using ifdefs
2019-11-01 22:10:17	mpickering	ah but you still need to know the new file name for the reverse filemap
2019-11-01 22:10:53	fendor	what is the reverse file map? Virtual File name to physical file-name?
2019-11-01 22:11:12	wz1000	that thing(reverse file map) is the bane of my existence. it can also disappear in 8.8
2019-11-01 22:11:38	mpickering	You're not helping Zubin :)
2019-11-01 22:11:39	wz1000	I have a replacement for it in mind now though
2019-11-01 22:11:52	mpickering	yeah VFS name to physical file name
2019-11-01 22:11:56	wz1000	Instead of all the reverse file maps
2019-11-01 22:11:59	mpickering	fendor: https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/49ophr/io_inside_of_stm_monad/d0tp3b2/
2019-11-01 22:12:13	mpickering	So we make `persistVirtualFile` return a function which writes the VFS
2019-11-01 22:12:17	wz1000	just keep a huge global mapping of all files we've ever mapped
2019-11-01 22:12:32	mpickering	and then that function is called after the transaction has been committeed
2019-11-01 22:12:40	wz1000	append only
2019-11-01 22:29:45	mpickering	fendor: I am going to try to fix this now
2019-11-01 22:30:46	fendor	mpickering, do you have a trail?
2019-11-01 22:31:05	mpickering	What do you mean?
2019-11-01 22:31:20	mpickering	If you want to try yourself you can but my messy branches are set up ready 
2019-11-01 22:31:33	mpickering	I pushed my branches just now but they are a mess and require a patched haskell-lsp
2019-11-01 22:33:12	fendor	I meant if you found more evidence that the issue #36 is indeed caused by persistVirtualFile
2019-11-01 22:33:41	mpickering	no but it's something that needs fixing anyway
2019-11-01 22:33:52	mpickering	and it is plausible
2019-11-01 22:36:56	fendor	it is but, for me, it does not yet explain how the logs I see are produced
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2019-11-01 22:39:40	mpickering	perhaps I don't understand the logs you see yet
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2019-11-01 23:05:58	mpickering	fendor: Can you try my changes and see if you can reproduce the issue still?
2019-11-01 23:15:46	mpickering	I think you can just use this branch of haskell-lsp and hie will compile fine - https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-lsp/tree/wip/vfs
2019-11-01 23:17:07	mpickering	I pushed my hie changes as well but the tests don't build
2019-11-01 23:17:34	wz1000	where did the paranoia about hash collisions disappear?
2019-11-01 23:17:50	fendor	mpickering, yeah, will try
2019-11-01 23:21:31	mpickering	It's a hash plus the file version. 
2019-11-01 23:21:46	mpickering	The chance of collision is so low
2019-11-01 23:23:11	mpickering	also bonus: the temp files are cleaned up when hie exits
2019-11-01 23:23:42	wz1000	where do you do that?
2019-11-01 23:23:55	mpickering	By using `withSystemTempDirectory`
2019-11-01 23:24:06	mpickering	maybe in a previous commit
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2019-11-02 01:12:40	fendor	mpickering, so, I got a similar error again, but I think that actually hie just crashed
2019-11-02 01:13:02	mpickering	oh I might have adding an error call
2019-11-02 01:13:04	fendor	but I dont know, I dont see any error calls or something like that
2019-11-02 01:13:12	mpickering	what is the crash?
2019-11-02 01:14:07	fendor	There are no further diagnostics and no responses on hover and no calls of setTypecheckedModule, so I suspect it crashed, but I dont see any cause of the crash in the log
2019-11-02 01:14:48	mpickering	when this happens is usually means something was output to stdout?
2019-11-02 01:15:11	fendor	yeah, that was the reason once...
2019-11-02 01:15:23	fendor	shouldnt that be visible in the caputre file then
2019-11-02 01:15:24	fendor	?
2019-11-02 01:15:50	mpickering	my experience is that it doesn't show up there
2019-11-02 01:16:01	mpickering	because the stdout handle gets sent to vscode
2019-11-02 01:16:40	fendor	how does capturing the session works, then? I suspected it would just log the stdout somewhere else?
2019-11-02 01:17:52	mpickering	It's stderr?
2019-11-02 01:18:59	fendor	found the errror
2019-11-02 01:19:10	fendor	error message
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2019-11-02 01:19:33	mpickering	ok cool
2019-11-02 01:19:33	fendor_	mpickering, "hie: /run/user/1000/haskell-lsp12949/-3733211711894377497-66.hs: openFile: resource busy (file is locked)"
2019-11-02 01:19:41	mpickering	interesting
2019-11-02 01:20:12	mpickering	perhaps just check if the file already exists before trying to write it
2019-11-02 01:25:07	mpickering	you're saying you reproduce the problem before it crashed?
2019-11-02 01:25:49	fendor	i dont know. I just try to write mindless code until an error message looks out of place
2019-11-02 01:26:02	mpickering	You must be a Haskell programmer
2019-11-02 01:26:15	fendor	type-driven development :D 
2019-11-02 01:26:25	mpickering	do you want me to add the check or are you doing it?
2019-11-02 01:26:35	mpickering	I'm tidying up my branch so it builds
2019-11-02 01:26:45	mpickering	had to patch lsp-test as well
2019-11-02 01:27:26	fendor	i am getting a headache, so I will probably not do much today anymore
2019-11-02 01:28:49	mpickering	I'll push up a patch then
2019-11-02 01:29:27	fendor	thanks, I can try to test the changes
2019-11-02 01:30:00	fendor	but since there is no set of steps to reproduce the same issue reliably, it is very hard to report anything meaningful :/
2019-11-02 01:30:18	mpickering	yeah but we both see it quite frequently
2019-11-02 01:30:22	mpickering	at least once an hour
2019-11-02 01:31:49	fendor	true. But we dont even know if we are observing the same issue or if there are multiple concurrent issues that cause similar problems but not quite the same
2019-11-02 01:32:15	mpickering	so pessimistic! 
2019-11-02 01:32:47	mpickering	ok I pushed a patch
2019-11-02 01:34:53	fendor	this is bug is pretty complex ^^ way worse than the race between closing the file and typechecking it
2019-11-02 01:40:19	mpickering	all the `getPersistedFile'` etc functions need to be removed as well I think
2019-11-02 01:41:16	fendor	yeah, makes sense
2019-11-02 01:41:31	fendor	well, couldnt reproduce any problems so far
2019-11-02 01:41:40	fendor	but I can only say for sure after trying for some time
2019-11-02 01:43:12	mpickering	*5 years later - an old fendor opens a bug report*
2019-11-02 01:44:11	fendor	In 5 years I am not even thirty! Or is that already old? :O
2019-11-02 01:49:01	mpickering	if you have spent 5 years trying to reproduce the bug then you will be old
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2019-11-02 01:55:28	mpickering	I fixed the main hie build now and added submodules for haskell-lsp and lsp-test
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2019-11-02 02:36:36	alanz	I get worried when I hear you guys just removing things, without knowing what they do, or why.
2019-11-02 02:37:21	alanz	Invite me to review whatever you end up with, please
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2019-11-02 04:57:12	mpickering	alanz: These are functions fendor added with comments saying "Don't use these they lead to races"
2019-11-02 04:58:10	mpickering	NICE, finally I have implemented proper reloading
2019-11-02 04:58:20	mpickering	so you get type errors in modules which depend on the module you are editing
2019-11-02 04:58:45	mpickering	and it somewhat works but not completely ;)
2019-11-02 05:00:11	fendor	that is great to hear!
2019-11-02 05:02:27	mpickering	I think I just need to clear diagnostics for the modules which were reloaded
2019-11-02 05:02:46	mpickering	would be good to have a call with you fendor at some point to discuss how/why this works and the limitations
2019-11-02 05:03:00	mpickering	early next week perhaps
2019-11-02 05:04:12	fendor	yeah, I would like that, too!
2019-11-02 05:05:28	mpickering	I pushed my branches, will return to this next week
2019-11-02 05:05:45	fendor	great, I will have a look at them!
2019-11-02 05:07:31	mpickering	it's very subtle so good luck
2019-11-02 05:07:57	fendor	then we have to document it very well
2019-11-02 05:11:43	mpickering	I think there are some ways to make it simpler but we can chat about what is best to do
2019-11-02 05:13:40	wz1000	5273
2019-11-02 05:14:03	fendor	5273? 
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2019-11-02 16:26:47	fendor	to anyone who got the time, I ask for a core- and documentation review of https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/26 
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2019-11-02 16:53:12	wz1000	fendor: i gave it a quick skim and it looks pretty good. the documentation is very nice. I can take a more thorough look by the end of the day
2019-11-02 16:55:30	fendor	wz1000, thank you! I think, the pr will stay open till at least tuesday, so plenty of time ;) If there are some oversights in the documentation, like important stuff to explain, please tell me :)
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2019-11-02 21:42:37	alanz	fendor, I made a few comments. Looks good in general
2019-11-02 21:43:49	fendor_	alanz, thanks! 
2019-11-02 21:45:17	alanz	And I am basing my testing of HaRe on that branch at the moment.
2019-11-02 21:46:03	alanz	My main problem at the moment being not getting the full module graph for a component
2019-11-02 21:46:30	fendor_	yeah, I am very cautious to not rebase anything! 
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2019-11-02 21:46:54	fendor_	what kind of cradle do you have? I know that stack causes some problem because in hie-bios, it does not return all targets
2019-11-02 21:47:27	alanz	not that problem, I need a full modulegraph for a given unit.
2019-11-02 21:48:09	alanz	Which the old cabal-helper would generate, because it would basically do a full load of the unit and extract and cache the module graph that results
2019-11-02 21:48:31	alanz	at the moment we only load a given module, so have no idea what else imports it
2019-11-02 21:48:59	alanz	I wonder if we could do a lightweight GHC API call to pull that info out
2019-11-02 21:49:01	fendor_	arent we also loading a fill unit?
2019-11-02 21:51:00	alanz	no, we only load the specified target, I think
2019-11-02 21:51:14	alanz	so don't have the full module graph, and there is no explicitly cached one
2019-11-02 21:51:52	alanz	I think, I am only just starting to investigate this stuff, still wrestling with setting up the tests to generate the appropriate cradles to be able to actually load the files
2019-11-02 21:52:51	fendor_	yeah, but the specified targets ought to be all targets in a unit in the case of cabal, at least, iirc
2019-11-02 21:55:19	fendor_	and for c-h-h we definitely collect all targets in a unit and add it to the compiler optoins
2019-11-02 21:56:28	alanz	what I mean is that if for example I open Haskell.Ide.Engine.MonadTypes, I cannot query the module graph to see that it is imported by Haskell.Ide.Engine.Ghc
2019-11-02 21:56:35	alanz	etc
2019-11-02 22:05:50	fendor_	ah, I understand, you really need a module graph to query it. So, I take 'cabalModuleGraphs' is not what you need?
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2019-11-02 22:11:35	alanz	It used to be, but whatever is currently in that branch does not do it. I think wz1000 put something provisional in there, which just calls the GHC module graph function, which only knows about what is currently loaded
2019-11-02 22:12:04	alanz	I need to check if cabal-helper provides that info, and anyway come up with some option for the generalised hie-bios case
2019-11-02 22:12:25	alanz	It only affects HaRe though, so should not hold back the other work.
2019-11-02 22:13:10	alanz	I think the sooner we get the cabal-helper-helper hie-bios variant landed the happier I will be, we can then start looking at ghcide integration.
2019-11-02 22:16:49	fendor_	c-h-h can be merged very soon. There is only one open issue, I think
2019-11-02 22:19:01	alanz	the VFS one?
2019-11-02 22:19:27	alanz	which reminds me, I want to take a look at what is currently happening with that
2019-11-02 22:20:55	fendor_	no, that is a general problem in hie-bios
2019-11-02 22:21:54	fendor_	the last open problem with c-h-h has been detected by jneira, https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/26#issuecomment-547878715
2019-11-02 22:22:10	fendor_	or lets rather say, the currently only open issue
2019-11-02 22:24:13	alanz	ok
2019-11-02 22:25:01	alanz	but if it is a general hie-bios problem I may as well look at it on your branch, so I can do a PR against it if needed, and it all works smoothly
2019-11-02 22:25:30	fendor_	yeah, totally
2019-11-02 22:26:39	fendor_	currently, the consensus is that persistVirtualFile in haskell-lsp is prone to a race between updates
2019-11-02 22:27:40	fendor_	and m pickering hopes that making it threadsafe will make the problem go away
2019-11-02 22:28:11	alanz	yes, we had a discussion about it a day or so ago
2019-11-02 22:28:35	alanz	The VFS data structure gets updated from messages arriving from the client, without locking
2019-11-02 22:28:50	alanz	in the haskell-lsp CORE thread
2019-11-02 22:29:00	alanz	so reading it anywhere else is dangerous
2019-11-02 22:29:12	fendor_	well, currently the ghc thread may also access it
2019-11-02 22:29:17	alanz	exactly
2019-11-02 22:31:58	fendor_	so, we should rather not call it at all in ghc thread
2019-11-02 22:32:57	alanz	no. What we discussed is calling a function in CORE that returns an MVar for the filename, and the ghc thread waits on the MVar, which gets written by the CORE thread
2019-11-02 22:33:38	alanz	It might be interesting to see what/how ghcide manage this problem
2019-11-02 22:33:46	fendor_	and these functions should never have been exposed in PluginsIdeMonads
2019-11-02 22:33:48	alanz	cocreature, ?
2019-11-02 22:33:57	alanz	I agree
2019-11-02 22:34:09	alanz	Or only concurrent-safe versions
2019-11-02 22:34:42	fendor_	which is probably not really possible, except when we modify the haskell-lsp function
2019-11-02 22:35:16	alanz	yes, it has to get pushed back to a change in haskell-lsp
2019-11-02 22:35:24	alanz	in one way or another
2019-11-02 22:35:41	fendor_	ok, makes sense, thank you! 
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2019-11-02 23:52:44	dxld	alanz: you can get one unit's module graph directly from ghc, using getModuleGraph
2019-11-02 23:52:54	dxld	if that's what you want
2019-11-02 23:54:40	alanz	dxld: I actually want the original one as provided by cabal-helper before. Because the ghc one is just for the currently selected targets, which we try to keep minimal for performance reasons.
2019-11-02 23:55:14	alanz	And so by definition does not include modules that import the one we are interested in
2019-11-02 23:55:27	dxld	hmm
2019-11-02 23:55:39	dxld	I could have sworn the modgraph was for the whole unit at least
2019-11-02 23:55:53	dxld	regardless of which target(s) you select
2019-11-02 23:56:28	dxld	but I guess that doesn't make sense actually, hrm
2019-11-02 23:58:51	alanz	I wan to take a look inside GHC, perhaps we can just do the dependency graph analysis and cache that.
2019-11-02 23:59:01	alanz	Which is what I presume the prior cabal-helper did
2019-11-02 23:59:36	dxld	yeah you should be able to do that
2019-11-02 23:59:38	alanz	And it is actually only something needed for specific HaRe refactorings, so maybe it should be done on-demand
2019-11-03 00:00:00	dxld	probably yeah
2019-11-03 00:01:02	alanz	and for bonus points just from pointing hie at a cabal file, so we can get it to work across multiple hie-bios cradles
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2019-11-03 00:06:02	dxld	not sure what you mean 
2019-11-03 00:10:41	alanz	I mean whatever generates a module graph should be able to co-exist with other hie-bios cradles. That said, I have not looked into the details of how the cabal-helper-helper branch works, so maybe that happens already
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2019-11-03 02:32:44	fendor	dxld, regarding order of unit loading. 
2019-11-03 02:33:30	fendor	when we load a unit, we try to build its dependencies, right? 
2019-11-03 02:34:24	fendor	in the case of a test unit, it depends on the library. If this library currently does not build, then the test unit can not be loaded, e.g. there is an exception in `runQuery (unitInfo unit) env` 
2019-11-03 02:35:43	fendor	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/26/files#diff-8134e86af784446400558bb3cbfe7dcfR387-R403 is the implementation that initialises units lazily, e.g. tries to get unitinfo, checks if the given filepath is exposed by this unit, if no, try to laod the next unit
2019-11-03 02:36:28	fendor	that is what I meant with order of unit-loading, we get all units in a package and query one unit after another to see if the module is exposed by any of the units.
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2019-11-03 16:19:13	alanz	For `mapFileFromVFS` we used to extract the contents as a string and send it to the module loader like that. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/e0DlZtBy/Screenshot%20from%202019-11-03%2010-46-07.png
2019-11-03 16:19:43	alanz	Which is concurrency safe, but bloats memory
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2019-11-03 17:46:31	alanz	And I see TVar expects STM, so we can get the guarantees we need by making a big-enough STM region around it, I think.  But I still prefer explicit concurrency, where it is obvious what is going on at any given time. The Erlang gen_server model, basically
2019-11-03 17:59:46	dxld	fendor: I still don't get why the order should matter
2019-11-03 18:00:34	dxld	if you do the test first cabal will try to build the lib and fail
2019-11-03 18:00:51	dxld	oh, nvm. I get it now
2019-11-03 18:00:59	dxld	hrm
2019-11-03 18:01:28	dxld	I'm wonering if we might need some way to configure packages without actually building dependencies
2019-11-03 18:01:49	fendor	dxld, yeah, that would work around it
2019-11-03 18:01:51	dxld	but I guess if you just do the query in the right order only the configure step for each package has to work, yeah
2019-11-03 18:02:14	dxld	doing the above would be super difficult though, I think
2019-11-03 18:02:27	dxld	at the very least it's going to need a new lib:Cabal release
2019-11-03 18:02:31	dxld	if it's possible at all
2019-11-03 18:02:31	fendor	can we know the "right" order?
2019-11-03 18:02:37	dxld	hmm
2019-11-03 18:02:43	dxld	I mean sure yeah
2019-11-03 18:02:52	dxld	just look at plan.json
2019-11-03 18:02:56	dxld	all the dependency relations are there
2019-11-03 18:03:22	dxld	oh, no hang on that still doesn't work
2019-11-03 18:03:43	dxld	ok, I take it back, I still don't get it :)
2019-11-03 18:04:02	dxld	in either order cabal will eventually try to build the lib and fail
2019-11-03 18:04:43	fendor	no, the problem is that it tries to load the test lib, and runQuery throws an exception that we are not catching
2019-11-03 18:04:58	dxld	?
2019-11-03 18:05:34	fendor	what happens in `runQuery` when one of the dependecies does not build?
2019-11-03 18:05:43	dxld	boom
2019-11-03 18:06:22	fendor	excatly. And it tries to load the test component where one of the deps, the lib, does not build
2019-11-03 18:06:24	dxld	if that happens I can't get the unit into configured state so I can't do "show-build-info" or rather run the helper atm
2019-11-03 18:06:34	fendor	yeah
2019-11-03 18:06:37	dxld	yeah
2019-11-03 18:06:44	fendor	we could just catch that exception and try other units
2019-11-03 18:06:54	dxld	so since you're iterating over all units, how exactly does the order make a differene?
2019-11-03 18:07:23	dxld	I mean that's pretty much all we can do for now
2019-11-03 18:07:31	dxld	other than caching, caching, caching
2019-11-03 18:07:46	dxld	so if this happens intermittently it doesn't break everything
2019-11-03 18:07:46	fendor	if it tries to load test-unit, exception, if it tries to load the library first, success
2019-11-03 18:08:12	dxld	but after it loads the lib it still loads test-unit, no?
2019-11-03 18:08:30	dxld	and --only-configure on test-unit will blow up because that will try to build the lib
2019-11-03 18:08:56	fendor	no, wer are lazy, if we find a unit that exposes the lib, we do not continue
2019-11-03 18:09:07	fendor	we are done, found the unit
2019-11-03 18:09:18	dxld	ok, so the test re-exports tht module you're looking for or what?
2019-11-03 18:09:42	dxld	ok, I get the jist
2019-11-03 18:09:55	dxld	or is it "gist"? :)
2019-11-03 18:10:05	dxld	I'm honestly not sure xD
2019-11-03 18:10:47	dxld	hmm
2019-11-03 18:10:56	dxld	so yeah, just catch the exception and move on I guess
2019-11-03 18:11:22	fendor	no, the test just happens to be configured before the library, since the order of pUnits is not the same everywhere
2019-11-03 18:11:23	dxld	should probably make it so the exception still gets thrown if there's no more units left to look at or something
2019-11-03 18:11:32	fendor	yeah, that is an acceptable work-around
2019-11-03 18:11:38	fendor	yeah, absolutely
2019-11-03 18:12:05	dxld	yeah, no I get why the order of units might be different
2019-11-03 18:12:37	dxld	oh, you just terminate the search because you literally just happen to find what you were looking for
2019-11-03 18:12:48	dxld	ok, ok, I get it :)
2019-11-03 18:13:24	dxld	maybe I should just sort the units or something :)
2019-11-03 18:15:03	fendor	dunno if sorting solves the issue. We would like to start with the unit that has not dependency on any other unit in the package
2019-11-03 18:15:21	dxld	it doesn't fix _your_ issue no
2019-11-03 18:15:27	dxld	but at least cabal and stack will behave the same way :)
2019-11-03 18:17:32	dxld	ok so stack doesn't support multiple units
2019-11-03 18:17:43	dxld	so really I just have to sort the packages, by say package-name
2019-11-03 18:23:08	fendor	side question, a unit may have multiple components, right? What is a component? I thought, unit is the smallest unit in a build plan
2019-11-03 18:24:25	dxld	hehe
2019-11-03 18:25:29	dxld	ok, so if(build-type==Simple && cabal-version>=2.something) unit==component else unit==set of components
2019-11-03 18:26:07	dxld	basically cabal has to have a legacy fallback for Setup.hsen/lib:Cabal versions that don't support units yet
2019-11-03 18:26:17	dxld	so in that case it just treats the whole package as a "unit"
2019-11-03 18:26:40	dxld	a unit is the smallest thing the build system (aka lib:Cabal) can configure at a time
2019-11-03 18:26:52	dxld	for our purposes anyways
2019-11-03 18:28:13	dxld	so you are right they are the smallest "unit" in a build plan
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2019-11-03 18:28:32	dxld	if the legacy fallback happens iirc the whole package gets built, rather than just the component(s) that are needed
2019-11-03 18:28:48	fendor	ah, ok. So, c-h just supports Cabal versions that are way older?
2019-11-03 18:29:17	dxld	this is not just about Cabal versions
2019-11-03 18:29:34	dxld	even a newer version of cabal-install can interact with older Cabal's, right
2019-11-03 18:29:51	fendor	yeah, but I thought, only like five versions
2019-11-03 18:30:03	dxld	so people actually have to move their `cabal-version:` declaration forward for this
2019-11-03 18:30:25	dxld	well the thing is lib:Cabal versions don't really get deprecated on cabal's side
2019-11-03 18:30:53	dxld	oh actually, I suppose you might be right that I could drop support for that at some point
2019-11-03 18:31:05	dxld	cabal keeps old cabal-version support forever
2019-11-03 18:31:16	dxld	but since I already require something fairly recent I don't have to
2019-11-03 18:31:45	fendor	yeah, probably makes sense. But it also causes a lot of cruft, right? Is there a lot of legacy code in cabal?
2019-11-03 18:32:01	dxld	we do still go back to 1.24.2
2019-11-03 18:32:11	dxld	not sure if that is recent enough
2019-11-03 18:32:17	dxld	nah
2019-11-03 18:32:19	dxld	it's not so bad
2019-11-03 18:32:31	dxld	they have it all figured out
2019-11-03 18:32:57	dxld	there's just a module somewhere that translates flags for the old Cabal versions
2019-11-03 18:33:04	dxld	like stripping things they don't support and such
2019-11-03 18:34:12	fendor	I suppose that it is impossible to actually test every configuration in that scenario, right?
2019-11-03 18:34:44	dxld	I think they do a reasonable job regardless
2019-11-03 18:35:00	dxld	if b/c is broken all that's needed is a new cabal-install release
2019-11-03 18:35:07	dxld	you don't have to go back in time or anything
2019-11-03 18:35:31	dxld	and since cabal-install is very strict about it's own library dependencies pretty much everyone can always painlessly upgrade
2019-11-03 18:36:56	dxld	I did have to deal with some really bad breakage at some point
2019-11-03 18:37:02	dxld	and oh boy was it broken
2019-11-03 18:37:14	fendor	what was broken, cabal-install?
2019-11-03 18:37:19	dxld	uuum
2019-11-03 18:37:23	dxld	everything sort of
2019-11-03 18:37:30	dxld	ghc, Cabal, cabal-install
2019-11-03 18:37:53	dxld	but my use case is pretty special case, so :)
2019-11-03 18:38:09	dxld	I just ended up dropping some ancient cabal versions *shrug*
2019-11-03 18:38:30	dxld	it's not as if anybody is actually still actively _developing_ on Cabal-1.20
2019-11-03 18:39:02	dxld	I don't remember the exact details unfortunately
2019-11-03 18:39:03	fendor	no, but on discord I have seen someone that had that version
2019-11-03 18:39:15	dxld	but it was something about bootstrapping Cabal without cabal-install or somesuch
2019-11-03 18:39:20	dxld	so pretty out there
2019-11-03 18:42:55	dxld	I'm sure these versions still exist
2019-11-03 18:43:13	dxld	but not with a cabal-install that can't also use something more recent if they choose
2019-11-03 18:44:10	dxld	you have to draw the line somewhere :)
2019-11-03 18:44:21	fendor	obviously.
2019-11-03 18:45:05	dxld	and eventually even the stragglers will update :p
2019-11-03 18:46:41	fendor	or at least not use it
2019-11-03 18:47:15	dxld	yeah
2019-11-03 18:47:27	dxld	can't please everyone
2019-11-03 18:51:00	fendor	and I am pretty sure we dont even want to please everyone
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2019-11-03 19:20:35	alanz	fendor, dxld, I agree we have to draw a line. Rather get a good architecture for "current" and move forward. For some definition of current.
2019-11-03 19:23:56	fendor	dxld, did you find anything weird in the c-h-h branch? except for the given problem?
2019-11-03 19:26:43	dxld	I haven't really had time to look at it yet
2019-11-03 19:39:06	fendor	ok, sorry, dont mean to be pushy
2019-11-03 19:41:48	dxld	I'm just busy soothing customers atm
2019-11-03 19:42:27	dxld	and then when I'm not doing that I'm working on my personal infrastructure stuff which is bitrotten as hell
2019-11-03 19:42:48	dxld	turns out one of my server hosters is going to shut off my server because their hypervisor is EOL, great
2019-11-03 19:47:15	fendor	yeah, that makes sense, we all have to do the stuff we are getting paid for
2019-11-03 19:47:53	fendor	luckily, I dont get paid for anything anyways, so...
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2019-11-03 19:49:47	dxld	I still have to find some time to organize that get together we talked about a while ago
2019-11-03 19:54:16	fendor	yeah, but dont overdo it, sounds like you have enough on your plate already
2019-11-03 20:05:03	dxld	it's not _that_ bad
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2019-11-04 01:55:00	mpickering	fendor: Did you try reproducing the issue with my changes?
2019-11-04 01:55:17	fendor	yeah, and I am pretty sure it is still happening
2019-11-04 01:56:02	mpickering	ok :)
2019-11-04 01:56:05	mpickering	interesting.. 
2019-11-04 01:56:19	mpickering	how did you set it up to use the fork of haskell-lsp?
2019-11-04 01:57:07	fendor	I added it to my project in cabal.project, just ../haskell-lsp/
2019-11-04 01:57:12	mpickering	ok
2019-11-04 01:59:51	mpickering	I'll have to think of something else then
2019-11-04 02:00:37	fendor	I am kind of out of ideas
2019-11-04 02:01:01	mpickering	What's your reproduction strategy?
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2019-11-04 02:01:32	fendor	Just programming. At some point I notice something is off
2019-11-04 02:02:05	mpickering	ok I will try myself this week as well
2019-11-04 02:02:46	alanz	mpickering, I am in the process of putting an MVar into haskell-lsp
2019-11-04 02:03:52	alanz	WIP at the moment, woring this in: https://gist.github.com/alanz/57ed4dd13b2462cacb961192bf17aa7f
2019-11-04 02:05:12	alanz	It looks like it can be done purely internally, so no users of the lib need to see any change
2019-11-04 02:06:15	mpickering	ok look slike a good idea
2019-11-04 02:06:32	mpickering	you saw on my branch I implemented deterministic names for the temp files?
2019-11-04 02:06:51	alanz	I did not realise you had a branch, just looking now
2019-11-04 02:07:01	alanz	But I think they are a good idea too
2019-11-04 02:07:54	alanz	btw, I dont think we have anything that cleans up the temp files when we are done
2019-11-04 02:08:03	mpickering	That's also on this branch
2019-11-04 02:08:46	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-lsp/commits/wip/vfs
2019-11-04 02:09:25	alanz	It might be interesting to flip the control to make something like withVFScontents that lets us operate in ut
2019-11-04 02:09:49	mpickering	fendor: Did you work out any sensible assertion to add?
2019-11-04 02:11:39	fendor	mpickering, no, my assertion triggers almost every time, but it is kind of useful, to see that the virtual file matches to the error message
2019-11-04 02:13:25	fendor	because I didnt understand that changes to a file are done to a virtual file and what I see in the editor is not what the file actually looks like
2019-11-04 02:14:07	mpickering	yeah
2019-11-04 02:14:18	mpickering	but on a save, the last state of the VFS should equal what is one disk
2019-11-04 02:14:24	mpickering	*on
2019-11-04 02:14:45	fendor	exactly. I dont know how that is handled in the case of save on change
2019-11-04 02:17:27	mpickering	Well I have save on change
2019-11-04 02:17:33	mpickering	and still somehow see this bug
2019-11-04 02:18:58	fendor	I also save on change, does it simply send another save doc request?
2019-11-04 02:21:49	mpickering	You mean what LSP notification does save correspond to?
2019-11-04 02:24:03	fendor	rather, does lsp do something different if the client is configured to save on change? 
2019-11-04 02:25:40	mpickering	no, it's an HIE option
2019-11-04 02:26:33	fendor	dies it persist the change to the physical file immediately, then?
2019-11-04 02:27:27	fendor	*does
2019-11-04 02:32:54	mpickering	When a file is saved, then a new VFS entry is created with version 0
2019-11-04 02:33:13	mpickering	the `hh` function also looks like it has a race in it
2019-11-04 02:34:25	mpickering	this logic is in LspStdio
2019-11-04 02:36:35	alanz	mpickering, this is my current diff for hh : https://gist.github.com/alanz/eb0823ae56e5bca37c90dc981c9f1265
2019-11-04 02:36:45	alanz	but my branch is not usable at the moment
2019-11-04 02:37:22	mpickering	looks safer
2019-11-04 02:37:29	alanz	and basically made all the VFS modification functions safe
2019-11-04 02:37:35	alanz	pure I mean
2019-11-04 02:37:55	alanz	since it looks to me you cant do IO in an atomically section
2019-11-04 02:38:32	alanz	which is also the reason I am using an MVar to protect the VFS stuff, as it has to be able to write out the temp file
2019-11-04 02:39:39	mpickering	right the way you are supposed to do it apparently is make the transaction return an IO action which you then run
2019-11-04 02:39:44	mpickering	which is why what I have on my branch
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2019-11-04 02:42:52	alanz	and that is what I did on mine too. The hh one, anyway
2019-11-04 02:43:33	alanz	but maybe it is more heavyweight than it needs to be, and I should revert to yours
2019-11-04 02:44:39	alanz	I will get mine to a point first though
2019-11-04 02:44:50	alanz	its currently partly done
2019-11-04 02:52:32	mpickering	well apparently mine doesn't fix any problem so...
2019-11-04 02:52:41	mpickering	back to looking at the code and thinking about what happens in what thread
2019-11-04 02:52:58	mpickering	I am a bit confused about what thread the `haskell-lsp` handlers run in
2019-11-04 02:53:07	mpickering	compared to the `haskell-ide-engine` handlers
2019-11-04 02:53:12	mpickering	are those the same threads?
2019-11-04 02:55:37	mpickering	This MR just changed the MVars to TVars without any comment https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/42
2019-11-04 02:55:42	mpickering	and introduced these races
2019-11-04 02:57:15	 *	alanz looking
2019-11-04 02:57:38	alanz	but that was in 2017?
2019-11-04 02:58:00	alanz	been working solidly for a long time since then, in my experience
2019-11-04 02:58:13	mpickering	right but by luck
2019-11-04 02:58:17	alanz	although there have been sporadic statements about sync
2019-11-04 02:59:11	mpickering	fendor: What did you change again to fix the thread issue we saw before?
2019-11-04 02:59:56	alanz	I am going to continue with what I am doing. 
2019-11-04 03:00:36	alanz	Which fundamenally says that everything in Core.ioloop is in a single thread, and anything else that interacts with it should be synchronised
2019-11-04 03:01:07	alanz	as lspstdio has its own thread, so does the IdeGhcM scheduler, and the IdeM one
2019-11-04 03:01:47	alanz	which should ideally communicate only with message queues, but we have some cross-coupling because of cancelling and such.
2019-11-04 03:02:17	alanz	Which does make me nervous, because once you have sloppy isolation all sorts of mistakes can creep in
2019-11-04 03:02:47	mpickering	If you look at the handlers in LspStdio
2019-11-04 03:03:06	mpickering	a bunch of document update requests happen in the GHC thread rather than the LSP thread
2019-11-04 03:03:08	mpickering	I wonder why that is
2019-11-04 03:03:28	mpickering	for example: NotDidCloseTextDocument
2019-11-04 03:04:42	alanz	I am wondering too. There is a comment about signaling for cancels
2019-11-04 03:05:11	mpickering	on which handler
2019-11-04 03:05:12	alanz	basically the processing for NotDidOpen, DotDidChange, NotDidSave should all be much the same
2019-11-04 03:05:12	fendor	mpickering, the function persistVirtualFile in hie-plugin-api called eventually persistVFS, which relied that a Virtual File entry existed and if it didnt, an exception is thrown. We just add an additional check to avoid triggering this exception if the virtual fiel had been closed
2019-11-04 03:06:15	mpickering	There is a stake comment on NotDidSave
2019-11-04 03:06:19	mpickering	*stale
2019-11-04 03:06:25	fendor	mpickering, I will retry from a completely clean build, e.g. all submodules correctly initialised and report back if the problem still happens. just to make sure
2019-11-04 03:07:12	mpickering	there's also a comment "don't debounce/queue diagnostics when saving"
2019-11-04 03:07:21	mpickering	not sure why there is no debounce
2019-11-04 03:09:56	mpickering	So you're saying alanz That the built-in handlers run in a different thread to the non-built in ones?
2019-11-04 03:11:17	alanz	there is no debounce on save because if someone saves they want diagnostics. The debounce is only for if you are typing, and it kicks off a typecheck on every char you type
2019-11-04 03:11:41	alanz	it batches them up for a period (300ms?) and then sends them through
2019-11-04 03:12:36	alanz	mpickering, what do you mean by "built-in handlers" vs "non-built in"?
2019-11-04 03:13:04	mpickering	The ones in haskell-lsp vs the ones not in haskell-lsp
2019-11-04 03:13:18	mpickering	Like there is a handler in haskell-lsp which updates the VFS
2019-11-04 03:13:31	mpickering	does that run in the same thread as the handler in haskell-ide-engine which requests diagnostics
2019-11-04 03:13:48	alanz	no
2019-11-04 03:14:12	alanz	there is a message receive thread in haskell-lsp, that runs all the handlers
2019-11-04 03:14:29	alanz	all the haskell-lsp handlers.
2019-11-04 03:14:54	alanz	they in turn pass messages on to haskell-ide-engine, after doing some level of processing
2019-11-04 03:15:05	fendor	I suppose, we ought to extend the architecture documentation 
2019-11-04 03:17:12	alanz	yes. Its a long time since I wrapped my brain around it. And I am sure we do send the messages, but I am not sure where. Hold on
2019-11-04 03:18:25	mpickering	because when you save, you surely want to wait until the haskell-lsp handlers have updated the VFS
2019-11-04 03:18:43	mpickering	if you don't wait then the GHC thread can typechecked an "old" version of the document
2019-11-04 03:19:43	mpickering	but then I couldn't actually figure out of a way of getting anything to run on the haskell-lsp thread 
2019-11-04 03:20:00	mpickering	probably because I am misunderstanding concurrent applications
2019-11-04 03:21:40	mpickering	Unless your new locking will ensure this but I don't think so?
2019-11-04 03:22:03	mpickering	perhaps the right way is another thread which reads a chan of "vfs actions"
2019-11-04 03:22:18	mpickering	which haskell-lsp and external actions can send messages to
2019-11-04 03:22:46	alanz	mpickering, because the GHC thread takes a long time to typecheck, we need to let it be in its own thread
2019-11-04 03:23:18	alanz	So it seems the main LspStdio loop is actually calling the haskell-lsp Control.run to do the work
2019-11-04 03:24:02	alanz	which calls Core.handleMessage per message
2019-11-04 03:24:32	alanz	BUT, the hie handlers are set up to just pump the received messages into a separate thread in LspStdio
2019-11-04 03:25:06	alanz	You will see hieHandlers that all call passHandler
2019-11-04 03:25:35	alanz	which write into the ReactorInput channel
2019-11-04 03:25:51	alanz	so the comms with the client is not blocked by message passing
2019-11-04 03:26:51	alanz	This was perhaps more important when we did more stuff in the main loop, but it does mean we can distinguish comms problems from processing problems
2019-11-04 03:27:43	alanz	And the VFS is updated in the haskell-lsp core loop, before the hie handler is called.
2019-11-04 03:28:40	alanz	Also, the IdeGhcM process can potentially have a backlog, hence the version check of the vfs item when it starts a new piece of work
2019-11-04 03:30:19	mpickering	My point is that you don't want to typecheck an old document version, but I think I have an answer now
2019-11-04 03:30:54	mpickering	because `setTypecheckedModule` could run before the haskell-lsp thread processes all the updates to the VFS
2019-11-04 03:31:08	mpickering	which would mean you would get an older version of the file to typecheck
2019-11-04 03:31:13	mpickering	agree?
2019-11-04 03:33:10	mpickering	The way I thought of to fix this was to make `persistVirtualFile` also take the version number of the file you are expected to persit
2019-11-04 03:33:18	mpickering	and call `retry` if that version isn't in the VFS yet
2019-11-04 03:38:01	alanz	hot off the press: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/tree/vfs-race-condition
2019-11-04 03:38:04	alanz	untested
2019-11-04 03:38:33	alanz	mpickering, it works the other way around
2019-11-04 03:38:52	alanz	the changes arrive and get put in the VFS, *then* the GHC thread has a go
2019-11-04 03:39:16	alanz	so when the GHC side is ready to process, if it wants to work with an old file we cancel the job
2019-11-04 03:39:28	alanz	because a new one for the newer file will be in the queue
2019-11-04 03:39:53	alanz	this proceeds until the front of the queue and the VFS side match, then the persist should be done.
2019-11-04 03:42:17	alanz	See https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Scheduler.hs
2019-11-04 03:42:33	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Scheduler.hs#L326-L345
2019-11-04 03:43:01	 *	alanz afk for a bit
2019-11-04 04:00:35	alanz	and the tests pass with my updated version.
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2019-11-05 00:13:50	mpickering	fendor_: My office mate was seeing the sync issue literally all the time
2019-11-05 00:13:57	mpickering	so I am getting him to try the haskell-lsp branch
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2019-11-05 02:18:17	mpickering	I figured out why hs-boot files trigger too much recompilation, bug in ghc
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2019-11-05 02:26:20	mpickering	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/issues/17434
2019-11-05 02:26:38	mpickering	at least hie supports hs-boot files now 🙃
2019-11-05 02:29:05	mpickering	still reproducing this issue fendor ?
2019-11-05 02:29:51	mpickering	I want to try again but there was nothing I wanted to modify in GHC
2019-11-05 02:29:59	mpickering	but now I have that ticket so.. perhaps I will try again
2019-11-05 02:30:06	mpickering	but hie is pretty slow on GHC because of that ticket
2019-11-05 02:31:28	fendor	mpickering, I actually failed to install your branch completely from scratch, e.g. with git submodules. Also, today, while doing programming, the problem never arose
2019-11-05 02:31:58	mpickering	ok so you were using the haskell-lsp fork ?
2019-11-05 02:32:07	mpickering	and you didn't see the problem the whole of today
2019-11-05 02:32:59	fendor	I was using the haskell-lsp fork where persistVirtualFile is using predictable file-names and thread-safe
2019-11-05 02:33:12	mpickering	ok 👍
2019-11-05 02:33:22	mpickering	Do you think this tells us anything?
2019-11-05 02:33:24	fendor	but yesterday, or the day before yesterday, I think I saw the problem. 
2019-11-05 02:33:41	mpickering	ok I will see if my office mate sees the problem tomorrow
2019-11-05 02:33:49	fendor	no, I have no clue whatsoever :) maybe the issue is fixed and yesterday I just ran into some other problem
2019-11-05 02:35:20	mpickering	he is using c-h-h branch + haskell-lsp changes
2019-11-05 02:35:24	mpickering	probably like you
2019-11-05 02:36:39	mpickering	I wonder if we could reproduce it with an lsp-test script which just inserts and saves thousands of times
2019-11-05 02:38:51	fendor	probably. Yeah, probably... that sounds like a good idea.
2019-11-05 02:39:47	mpickering	or just record a random session which eventually gets back to the same state
2019-11-05 02:39:53	mpickering	and iterate on it hundreds of times
2019-11-05 02:40:13	mpickering	I may hack on lsp-test to expose an interface to just replay the session rather than any of the diffing stuff
2019-11-05 02:40:19	mpickering	I already did that but in a hacky way
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2019-11-05 02:41:59	fendor	stress testing with inserting and saving sounds like a good first step. I can try that tomorrow when I have to relax from reading papers :D 
2019-11-05 02:42:49	mpickering	papers about programming languages or boring ones :) ?
2019-11-05 02:44:04	fendor	they are actually quite nice, automated verification of conflict-free replicated data types and one about async programming implementation techniques, in this case leapfrogging
2019-11-05 02:44:26	fendor	and one about session types that I didnt start yet
2019-11-05 02:44:29	mpickering	sounds cool
2019-11-05 02:44:42	mpickering	is this for a course or your own interest?
2019-11-05 02:45:35	fendor	university course, I have to do two seminars before I can finish my master. I have to read and present papers and write about them like 20 pages
2019-11-05 02:46:52	mpickering	brb 🚲
2019-11-05 02:46:52	jneira	wow, doing stress testing to relax from reading papers about async programming
2019-11-05 02:47:08	mpickering	How do you relax jneira?
2019-11-05 02:47:11	fendor	jneira, "relax" ;D 
2019-11-05 02:47:36	mpickering	I relax by working on GHC so don't ask me for tips either
2019-11-05 02:47:39	fendor	sometimes I also play chess. That is actually relaxing sometimes
2019-11-05 02:47:46	jneira	mmm programming? :-D
2019-11-05 02:48:06	jneira	in haskell to relax from programming in java :-/
2019-11-05 02:50:43	fendor	I can agree on that. When I was working on a java project, I used every moment possible to sneak in some haskell
2019-11-05 02:52:00	jneira	but my coworkers already hate me: `public abstract class MapIsBifunctor<M extends Map<K,V>,K,V> implements Bifunctor<K,V>`
2019-11-05 02:54:46	jneira	fendor: btw maybe i can take some time to promote cabal in ci
2019-11-05 02:55:43	fendor	that looks like nice code :D 
2019-11-05 02:56:36	fendor	I would love that!
2019-11-05 03:41:46	mpickering	fendor: Is progress notifications working for you atm?
2019-11-05 03:41:55	mpickering	I wonder if I have a too old version of vscode
2019-11-05 03:42:25	mpickering	I have 1.39.2
2019-11-05 03:49:12	alanz	that is the current one
2019-11-05 03:49:31	alanz	but it might be the plugin is not using the right version of the lsp client lib
2019-11-05 03:50:07	fendor	mpickering, no, I also noticed that I have no progress notifications
2019-11-05 03:52:11	mpickering	so do I need to update something alanz or is it broken?
2019-11-05 03:52:58	alanz	I think the plugin needs to be updated. 
2019-11-05 03:53:16	alanz	PR gladly accepted. I have not looked at it for a while
2019-11-05 03:53:44	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server
2019-11-05 03:53:53	alanz	Let me see how easy it is to do
2019-11-05 03:54:09	mpickering	I seem to remember haskell-lsp was updated to work with the new progress api
2019-11-05 03:54:48	alanz	yes, that is why it needs to be updated to match. The 3.15 draft version, iirc
2019-11-05 03:55:12	alanz	I need to try to remember my node/typescript incantations
2019-11-05 03:57:35	alanz	https://libraries.io/npm/vscode-languageserver-protocol
2019-11-05 04:05:47	alanz	npm upgrade does not change it from https://registry.npmjs.org/vscode-languageserver-protocol/-/vscode-languageserver-protocol-3.15.0-next.5.tg
2019-11-05 04:05:55	alanz	which I presume is the one we need
2019-11-05 04:06:25	alanz	but it does bump the vscode itself from 1.33 to 1.36. Let me see what happens.
2019-11-05 04:08:01	lukelau	alanz: good lord https://www.npmjs.com/package/vscode-languageclient is still on 5.2.1
2019-11-05 04:08:26	lukelau	Are they alergic to stable releases or something
2019-11-05 04:08:40	lukelau	They’ve also skipped 5.3.0 and jumped to 6.0.0 if you check out the versions tab
2019-11-05 04:08:40	alanz	3.15 is still on pre-release, I think.
2019-11-05 04:09:21	alanz	give me a URL please
2019-11-05 04:09:30	mpickering	they seemed to have some pre-release versions
2019-11-05 04:09:33	mpickering	for 5.3.0
2019-11-05 04:09:41	mpickering	There's no link to the tab 
2019-11-05 04:09:43	lukelau	I would if I could, but i clicked the versions tab and it didn’t update the URL 🤷‍♂️ 
2019-11-05 04:09:49	alanz	nine hours ago: https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-languageserver-node/releases
2019-11-05 04:09:52	mpickering	https://www.npmjs.com/package/vscode-languageclient?activeTab=versions
2019-11-05 04:10:45	alanz	thanks
2019-11-05 04:11:32	lukelau	alanz mpickering: presumably we need to update this to match the latest “next” version of the protocol https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/c4a234be78fb28405c5e8d57484a428b88e476cb/package.json#L248
2019-11-05 04:12:04	alanz	yes, I just did that, doing an upgrade, update, will see what happens
2019-11-05 04:15:03	lukelau	Just tested that out, working for me now
2019-11-05 04:15:05	lukelau	In vscode
2019-11-05 04:15:27	alanz	cool, will publish things.
2019-11-05 04:15:40	lukelau	that was nice and quick
2019-11-05 04:15:43	mpickering	lukelau: I am patching lsp-test to add a function to just replay the test
2019-11-05 04:15:50	mpickering	and not check the result at all
2019-11-05 04:15:55	alanz	Ho do you run the tasks in package.json?
2019-11-05 04:15:56	mpickering	which module is the right place for this?
2019-11-05 04:16:11	lukelau	mpickering: cool, want to make a PR?
2019-11-05 04:16:18	mpickering	I will, once I start writing the patch
2019-11-05 04:16:19	mpickering	lol
2019-11-05 04:16:25	lukelau	Language.Haskell.LSP.Test.Replay
2019-11-05 04:16:28	lukelau	lol
2019-11-05 04:16:35	lukelau	Or something like that
2019-11-05 04:16:41	mpickering	ok
2019-11-05 04:16:59	lukelau	The replay functionality is probably pretty rusty, so caveat empor and all that
2019-11-05 04:17:08	lukelau	alanz: npm run ?
2019-11-05 04:17:28	mpickering	I alread implemented this once by deleting code
2019-11-05 04:17:36	mpickering	have to do better this time
2019-11-05 04:17:44	mpickering	the aim is to implement it in 13 minutes
2019-11-05 04:17:50	lukelau	your time starts now
2019-11-05 04:18:11	lukelau	feel free to tear up that module anyway
2019-11-05 04:18:38	alanz	npm run-script test
2019-11-05 04:19:42	lukelau	alanz: I ran npm run test and it downloaded a copy of vscode into some hidden folder
2019-11-05 04:20:29	alanz	yes, I saw that. And the window flashes up as the test runs.
2019-11-05 04:20:51	lukelau	Pretty interesting, I’ve never ran these tests before
2019-11-05 04:20:54	alanz	I am just updating the changelog, will then push a release
2019-11-05 04:20:54	alanz	or a PR then release, then tag
2019-11-05 04:21:00	mpickering	Why is there a huge thread delay in the implementation of the exit notification
2019-11-05 04:26:15	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/pull/170
2019-11-05 04:28:36	alanz	extension size has doubled from 3 to 6.5MB
2019-11-05 04:28:46	alanz	just from upgrading deps
2019-11-05 04:30:09	alanz	I get a spinning circle at the bottom, and it says "typechecking Blah.hs"
2019-11-05 04:30:19	alanz	so I presume that is the progress feedback
2019-11-05 04:30:20	alanz	?
2019-11-05 04:33:00	mpickering	didn't make it
2019-11-05 04:33:13	mpickering	yep sounds like it
2019-11-05 04:35:05	lukelau	alanz: yup. Mine went away for LspStdio.hs
2019-11-05 04:36:01	alanz	cool, will publish as soon as someone gives that PR an eyeball
2019-11-05 04:36:39	lukelau	Did you run a command to auto-update all those dependencies?
2019-11-05 04:36:47	lukelau	Or did npm install just do that
2019-11-05 04:37:00	mpickering	lukelau: What's the difference between request/response/notification?
2019-11-05 04:37:07	lukelau	in LSP?
2019-11-05 04:37:42	lukelau	a request is a message coming from the server to lsp-test, and lsp-test needs to send a response back for iit
2019-11-05 04:37:55	lukelau	a notification is just a message that needs no response
2019-11-05 04:38:13	alanz	oops, failed test. I wonder if it is the pop-up window that does not work on travis
2019-11-05 04:38:28	lukelau	it also works the other way round, in that lsp-test can send a request to the server and receive a response from the server for it
2019-11-05 04:39:40	lukelau	alanz https://travis-ci.org/alanz/vscode-hie-server/jobs/607385485#L199
2019-11-05 04:39:57	mpickering	If I am just sending requests in order do I need to wait for anything before sending a response?
2019-11-05 04:39:59	lukelau	maybe thats preventing the window from popping up?
2019-11-05 04:40:02	alanz	yes, I saw that. The other branch works.
2019-11-05 04:40:23	alanz	If I run that test locally that way I get some weird stuff coming back
2019-11-05 04:40:26	lukelau	do you want to try maybe just rerunning it
2019-11-05 04:40:51	alanz	https://gist.github.com/alanz/1ca2a673df933fa5a9ed5d23775dd336
2019-11-05 04:40:57	alanz	I already did
2019-11-05 04:41:10	alanz	that jobctl stuff looks odd. And it does the popup
2019-11-05 04:42:18	alanz	https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-test/issues/38
2019-11-05 04:43:39	lukelau	that weird stuff seemed to already happen on master
2019-11-05 04:43:50	lukelau	the `bash: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Inappropriate ioctl for device`
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2019-11-05 04:45:14	alanz	ok. The tests look like they are just placeholders too.
2019-11-05 04:45:35	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/lsp-3.15/test/extension.test.ts
2019-11-05 04:45:59	lukelau	Amazing
2019-11-05 04:46:16	lukelau	the tests are running with the —silent flag too
2019-11-05 04:51:13	alanz	Calling for the cavalry, it is way out of my knowledge domain
2019-11-05 04:56:53	mpickering	how long should the lsp-test tests take to run
2019-11-05 04:57:48	mpickering	all these mvars in lsp-test make me very nervous about deadlocking it feels low level D: 
2019-11-05 04:57:52	lukelau	about a couple of minutes or so. are you running it with cabal test?
2019-11-05 04:58:05	lukelau	yeah it has had deadlocking issues before
2019-11-05 04:58:23	mpickering	I think all the tests failed
2019-11-05 04:58:29	lukelau	run the tests with `cabal run lsp-test:test:tests` to see stderr being streamed
2019-11-05 04:58:41	lukelau	you need to have hie installed and on your path
2019-11-05 04:59:01	mpickering	hmm well I don't
2019-11-05 04:59:07	lukelau	my dream, is that one day when hie is on hackage, i can make it a build-tool-depends on the test executable :)
2019-11-05 04:59:49	mpickering	hie will be on hackage surely by the end of the year?
2019-11-05 05:00:43	mpickering	Do you remember what this `takeMVar passSema` is supposed to do
2019-11-05 05:00:48	mpickering	in `replaySession`
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2019-11-05 05:01:59	mpickering	ah it seems to block until the `listenServer finishes
2019-11-05 05:04:09	lukelau	hm why is it running the session on another thread in the first place?
2019-11-05 05:04:47	lukelau	is it to unblock stdin/stdout or something?
2019-11-05 05:05:24	mpickering	You need to invoke the hie process in another thread at least?
2019-11-05 05:05:39	mpickering	as otherwise it will just block because the process won't return
2019-11-05 05:06:14	mpickering	the tests probably take way longer than they should because of this 10s thread delay
2019-11-05 05:13:19	mpickering	ok gtg, at least I was able to use h-i-e reliably for an hour
2019-11-05 05:30:25	alanz	the new vscode plugin version with progress support is published
2019-11-05 05:30:48	 *	alanz hears St Pauls tolling midnight, time for bed
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2019-11-05 16:37:01	mpickering	lukelau: Is this my fault?https://travis-ci.com/bubba/lsp-test/jobs/252951896
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2019-11-05 21:13:12	lukelau	mpickering: no, i’m trying to figure out why those errors with decoding the shutdown response are happening
2019-11-05 21:13:19	lukelau	they happen on master too
2019-11-05 21:13:30	lukelau	but not locally for some reason
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2019-11-05 21:56:44	lukelau	does anyone know what the codetriage badge is https://www.codetriage.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine
2019-11-05 21:58:10	fendor	lukelau, afaik this is a service where you may subscribe to an email service that sends you once a week or something like that an issue you could work on
2019-11-05 22:00:20	lukelau	oh ok
2019-11-05 22:02:26	fendor	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1381 is the pr that introduced it
2019-11-05 22:07:31	lukelau	was just curious to see where it came from/what it was
2019-11-05 22:08:04	mpickering	https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/services/visual-studio-online/
2019-11-05 22:08:38	mpickering	fendor: I still want to discuss the reloading logic at some point, when is good for you?
2019-11-05 22:11:10	fendor	mpickering, sure, uhm, tomorrow would be good for me?
2019-11-05 22:11:30	mpickering	could do afternoon
2019-11-05 22:13:06	fendor	yeah, sounds great
2019-11-05 22:14:52	mpickering	or I have 15 dead minutes now
2019-11-05 22:17:15	fendor	alright, then lets go
2019-11-05 22:17:28	fendor	just looking for a quiet place for a second
2019-11-05 22:17:37	mpickering	ok call me when you're ready
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2019-11-06 01:34:18	lukelau	alanz: testing out github actions CI https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/runs/289777304
2019-11-06 01:51:16	mpickering	what are github actions?
2019-11-06 01:51:26	mpickering	are they a replacement for travis?
2019-11-06 01:52:16	alanz	lukelau, ?
2019-11-06 01:52:32	lukelau	a competitor i guess, yes
2019-11-06 01:52:47	lukelau	with this emphasis on reusable “actions” that do stuff like linting or install toolchains
2019-11-06 01:52:58	mpickering	what's the deal? what's the timeout? 
2019-11-06 01:53:07	lukelau	there is an action to setup a haskell environment but it doesn’t work outside of linux at the moment
2019-11-06 01:53:07	mpickering	I know there is a "cachix" action at least
2019-11-06 01:53:40	lukelau	testing the timeouts now
2019-11-06 01:54:35	mpickering	if there was a way to get some benefits of nix without the massive buy-in it would be good 
2019-11-06 01:54:39	mpickering	still a long way to go in this space
2019-11-06 01:54:52	lukelau	there is caching it seems
2019-11-06 01:55:45	infinisil	I mean you can get the benefits of nix without the buy-in
2019-11-06 01:55:52	infinisil	Installing stuff is pretty non-involved
2019-11-06 01:56:22	infinisil	Same for nix-shell
2019-11-06 01:56:30	infinisil	(as long as you don't need to write nix code)
2019-11-06 02:00:48	lukelau	mpickering: timeout is a very generous 360 minutes per job
2019-11-06 02:01:36	lukelau	once hie-bios (more specifically fendors c-h-1.0 branch) is merged in we’ll be able to do static binaries, and im hoping we’ll finally be able to provide binaries, either throught github ci or circleci
2019-11-06 02:22:43	jneira	do you think that it could be better than azure-ci?
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2019-11-06 02:59:16	mpickering	jneira: Is azure-ci not also run by microsoft?
2019-11-06 02:59:25	mpickering	so perhaps they are different interfaces by the same thing
2019-11-06 03:02:04	mpickering	lukelau: Did you work out the test failure?
2019-11-06 03:06:51	jneira	mpickering: yeah, but config files seems to be diferent, and we cant reuse the azure existing ones 
2019-11-06 03:08:01	jneira	and azure can build on windows since the beginning, i think
2019-11-06 03:13:25	jneira	otoh it has a specific config for haskell and no one has it
2019-11-06 03:29:15	lukelau	mpickering: the lsp-test one?
2019-11-06 03:36:22	mpickering	yeah
2019-11-06 03:36:25	mpickering	it blocks me
2019-11-06 03:36:59	mpickering	locally the tests never finished executing for me 🤷
2019-11-06 03:37:04	mpickering	so not sure if my implementation is wrong or not
2019-11-06 03:37:18	alanz	fendor, ping
2019-11-06 03:38:23	alanz	The tests on your cabal-helper-helper branch are failing because we are getting an UnhelpfulSpan for the name we look up. https://github.com/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/blob/cabal-helper-helper/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Support/HieExtras.hs#L299
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2019-11-06 03:48:24	lukelau	mpickering: will take a look tonight
2019-11-06 04:04:03	lukelau	mpickering: what branch of hie are you testing with? master or hie-bios?
2019-11-06 04:04:12	mpickering	hie-bios
2019-11-06 04:04:22	mpickering	the one I use day-to-day which is some branch of my branch
2019-11-06 04:10:53	mpickering	fendor:  Should I bother trying to implement this stress test using lsp-test?
2019-11-06 04:11:52	fendor	mpickering, I want to try it tomorrow or the day after tomorrow
2019-11-06 04:12:10	fendor	mpickering, some commit accidentally reintrodcued stack-yaml 8.2.2 
2019-11-06 04:12:13	mpickering	I was trying with the replay stuff to get a more realistic session including hover, symbol map etc
2019-11-06 04:12:44	fendor	did you find anything?
2019-11-06 04:12:47	mpickering	but I don't think it will end up working too well as you have to somehow extend the session.log file
2019-11-06 04:12:57	alanz	fendor, mpickering why does go to definition across modules not work in hie-bios?
2019-11-06 04:12:58	mpickering	so I was planning to directly write an lsp-test script
2019-11-06 04:13:22	alanz	https://github.com/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/commit/794aa9ae251174e3cddb9939c4b312b7a18743f9
2019-11-06 04:13:47	mpickering	that is about finding definitions across components
2019-11-06 04:13:47	mpickering	?
2019-11-06 04:13:58	mpickering	It might be to do with using .hi files for caching
2019-11-06 04:14:11	alanz	it fails finding a defintion across modules in the same library
2019-11-06 04:14:46	mpickering	How did that used to work?
2019-11-06 04:15:35	alanz	Im not sure. What I do know is that the following test also fails currently, one of the two outstanding ones: https://github.com/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/commit/794aa9ae251174e3cddb9939c4b312b7a18743f9#diff-bffdc7f2caa7834b3d7fcb0287ad7223R202-R209
2019-11-06 04:16:09	alanz	We use to just switch sessions, and load the relevant target
2019-11-06 04:16:20	alanz	So we could work with the test, main, lib
2019-11-06 04:16:31	alanz	as enabled via cabal-helper
2019-11-06 04:16:55	mpickering	not sure what you mean
2019-11-06 04:17:11	alanz	i.e. it would work across components within a given cabal file definition, but not across packages
2019-11-06 04:17:38	fendor	alanz, I think, the problem is related to the stack-cradle
2019-11-06 04:17:55	fendor	I know that the feature works in general
2019-11-06 04:18:01	alanz	e.g. for Hie you should be able to go from app/MainHie.hs to the defition of lspStdioTransport in the lib
2019-11-06 04:18:04	fendor	but I did not take the time yet to debug it
2019-11-06 04:18:47	alanz	ok. I started looking at this failure: stack --stack-yaml=stack.yaml test haskell-ide-engine:unit-test --test-arguments "--match \"/HaRePlugin/hare plugin/Additional GHC API commands/finds definition in the same component/\""
2019-11-06 04:19:29	alanz	which is supposed to go from a definion in Lib2.hs to use in Lib.hs, or some such
2019-11-06 04:19:34	alanz	and saw that comment.
2019-11-06 04:19:43	fendor	alanz, yeah, I think that is stack-cradle related
2019-11-06 04:20:27	alanz	ok
2019-11-06 04:20:38	fendor	it is one of the two tests that should be working, but arent working. 
2019-11-06 04:20:59	fendor	including some liquid tests, but those are just weird
2019-11-06 04:21:41	alanz	ok, for me it is only those two failing locally, for your cabal-helper-helper branch. Now merged
2019-11-06 04:21:56	alanz	So I figured I would try to dive in and see what is happening
2019-11-06 04:22:30	alanz	These are the only two failures I see for your branch:
2019-11-06 04:22:30	alanz	      # To rerun use: --match "/HaRePlugin/hare plugin/Additional GHC API commands/finds definition in the same component/"
2019-11-06 04:22:31	alanz	      # To rerun use: --match "/HaRePlugin/hare plugin/Additional GHC API commands/find type-definition of type def in component/"
2019-11-06 04:22:36	fendor	yeah, it is weird. It actually used to work and the commit that introduced the problem was acutally a update of hie-bios, which doesnt make sense imo. But bisecting is not possible anymore
2019-11-06 04:22:44	fendor	on ci, liquid haskell is also failing
2019-11-06 04:22:46	alanz	which are the same problem, I suspect
2019-11-06 04:22:50	fendor	yeah
2019-11-06 04:22:59	fendor	think so too
2019-11-06 04:23:40	alanz	it might be installing a slightly different version. Also, for me the current liquid binary does not install, I have to use a very specific GHC version to bring it in, not sure offhand which one
2019-11-06 04:24:10	mpickering	we should just remove liquid haskell support
2019-11-06 04:24:18	mpickering	It's so much effort to maintain
2019-11-06 04:25:04	alanz	mpickering, there are people that use it.
2019-11-06 04:25:16	mpickering	well they don't help maintain it
2019-11-06 04:25:25	mpickering	and we waste a lot of time at least talking about maintaining it
2019-11-06 04:25:29	alanz	and it should not be hard to maintain. For me it just works, this is some CI setup thing
2019-11-06 04:28:47	alanz	btw, I see the tests are dropping .o, .hi and exe files all over the test examples tree.
2019-11-06 04:29:07	alanz	with the hie-bios branch. Is that actually necessary?
2019-11-06 04:29:32	alanz	at the very least we are doing compilation we don't need to
2019-11-06 04:30:10	mpickering	.hi files should go into the cache directory which is in ~/.cache
2019-11-06 04:30:23	mpickering	I don't know why there are .o files
2019-11-06 04:30:37	mpickering	tbh I haven't fixed any tests ever that was fendor and zubin
2019-11-06 04:31:48	fendor	zubin did most of the tests
2019-11-06 04:32:33	fendor	.o files are definitely not necessary, except when the direct cradle is used, so, something sound a bit off
2019-11-06 04:32:39	alanz	Ok. 
2019-11-06 04:32:56	alanz	I will try to track down where they are actually coming from
2019-11-06 04:45:30	alanz	fendor, the first of those two failing tests has disappeared for me with current hie-bios head
2019-11-06 04:45:59	fendor	alanz, yeah, in c-h-h there was also only one of these test failings present
2019-11-06 04:46:03	fendor	I actually suspect a race
2019-11-06 04:46:35	alanz	ok
2019-11-06 04:49:37	mpickering	whilst we're all here can we talk about why `updatePositionMap`  and `deleteCachedModule` run in the GHC thread?
2019-11-06 04:49:53	mpickering	why do they not just run in the reactor
2019-11-06 04:49:59	fendor	I cant explain the behaviour otherwise. c-h-h did not touch any tests, since we are only testing explicit configuration, which is not good, but c-h-h touches nothing else
2019-11-06 04:50:15	mpickering	I think it might be whether cached .hi files are used or not
2019-11-06 04:50:55	alanz	mpickering, I would say that those two functions should happen atomically with setting the typecheckedmodule
2019-11-06 04:51:32	alanz	otherwise we need to make sure we keep version coherence.
2019-11-06 04:52:26	alanz	I could see an argument for the positionmap to only be updated when actually needed though
2019-11-06 04:52:43	mpickering	`updatePositionMap` seems to update the module cache which is why it's in the GHC thread I suppose
2019-11-06 04:53:08	mpickering	but the cache state is stored in the global shared state
2019-11-06 04:53:11	mpickering	so not sure that's a good reason
2019-11-06 04:54:27	alanz	Well, there is something to be said for a model of only having one thread writing to state, and others reading it. 
2019-11-06 04:54:48	alanz	it avoids classes of synchronisation errors.
2019-11-06 04:54:55	mpickering	all three threads write to the state I think
2019-11-06 04:55:29	alanz	yes, but not to all parts of it.  Mutable shared state is a horrible thing, I hate how it has crept in to this thing
2019-11-06 04:57:07	mpickering	some parts of this are leftovers from when ghc-mod used to manage some of the caches
2019-11-06 04:57:12	alanz	But I know also there are good arguments for using it as the basis for real world programmes.
2019-11-06 04:57:26	mpickering	which meant you had to do some state updates in the ghc thread
2019-11-06 04:57:59	alanz	To me it comes down to being clear about the purpose of each of the threads
2019-11-06 04:58:13	alanz	which I understand as
2019-11-06 04:58:34	alanz	a LspStdio: must never block, always respond promptly to client messages
2019-11-06 04:59:09	alanz	b) IdeM : responds quickly based on cached GHC values, can give a null default if nothing is there, or defer
2019-11-06 04:59:31	alanz	c) IdeGhcM: can take as long as it needs, manages the GHC session, there can only ever be one
2019-11-06 05:03:16	mpickering	So should a do anything other than dispatch to b and c?
2019-11-06 05:04:04	mpickering	Because currently it does some stuff. My internet died so I can't check what
2019-11-06 05:05:13	alanz	a is allowed to do stuff that we know will be fast
2019-11-06 05:05:24	alanz	so look up things in tables we already have, and so on
2019-11-06 05:06:22	alanz	but the main thing is it must never take too long to do anything, otherwise the server gets perceived as unresponsive
2019-11-06 05:06:35	alanz	and definitely never block on anything
2019-11-06 05:07:22	mpickering	Ok I will do an audit of lspstdio and check what is happening
2019-11-06 05:08:02	alanz	great.
2019-11-06 05:08:24	alanz	and it looks like the .o/.hi etc files are comping from tests under "ghc-mod plugin commands(old plugin api)"
2019-11-06 05:08:58	alanz	And I suspect they may be legacy at this stage, testing things we dont care about
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2019-11-06 05:10:19	alanz	mpickering, one thing we can consider doing is measuring how long it takes to process a message in the LspStdio thread (from pulling it out of the Q to being ready to wait on the Q again), and log an error / show a warning if it takes too long
2019-11-06 05:10:35	alanz	for some appropriate value of "too long".
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2019-11-06 05:10:47	alanz	That can at least act as a canary for us
2019-11-06 05:11:30	alanz	Especially as we can likely track which actual request is slow
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2019-11-06 05:18:40	alanz	fendor, it looks to me like we have an off-by-one error in the failing tests, in terms of the line numbers. LSP works with zero-based line numbers, GHC with 1-based.  We have to keep our heads about us when we convert.
2019-11-06 05:20:03	alanz	And as the test is written, the coords used to define the origin of the thing we are looking for (the data type name), and the coords used to specify where we expect to find it are different.
2019-11-06 05:20:49	alanz	(toPos (13, 20)) for the lookup, which is one line after in GHC coords, (toPos (8, 1)) for the result, which is bang-on for ghc coords
2019-11-06 05:21:31	alanz	ah, never mind, I am misunderstanding the test. Sorry
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2019-11-06 09:57:33	zeta_0	is anyone on now ?
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2019-11-06 16:33:26	denbrahe[m]	Does anyone know how to change the HIE formatter (in spacemacs)?
2019-11-06 16:34:17	denbrahe[m]	I need to use brittany, which should be supported
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2019-11-06 21:48:08	zeta_0	hello guys, i'm getting this error when lsp gets activated, why and how do i fix it ? https://hastebin.com/asuboloruc.nginx
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2019-11-06 21:50:08	zeta_0	here is my .emacs configuration: https://hastebin.com/atoreyukij.php 
2019-11-06 21:50:31	zeta_0	i am not sure what i am doing wrong ?
2019-11-06 21:51:40	mpickering	what is the error?
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2019-11-06 21:52:37	mpickering	oh configuration parse error
2019-11-06 21:52:48	zeta_0	mpickering: i already pastbined the error on the first link: (line 4 haskell-lsp:configuration parse error)
2019-11-06 21:52:51	zeta_0	mpickering: yes
2019-11-06 21:52:56	mpickering	yeah but I couldn't see the error
2019-11-06 21:53:09	mpickering	so it looks like the client is sending a bad config to the server
2019-11-06 21:54:13	mpickering	does it work with vscode?
2019-11-06 21:54:35	mpickering	alanz: uses emacs so he will probably help later
2019-11-06 21:55:02	zeta_0	mpickering: i changed my lsp configuration to use-package as well as setting up treemacs with lsp and other things as well, i have no idea what is causing the error
2019-11-06 21:55:11	zeta_0	mpickering: yes, i'm using emacs
2019-11-06 21:58:44	zeta_0	after disabling flymake and enabling flycheck, the problem from last time that i had with lsp being slow is fixed, so it now runs fast, but now after making a bunch of changes to my .emacs configuration, this error is being thrown and lsp is not working correctly anymore ?
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2019-11-06 23:08:39	zeta_0	alanz: are you there, i need some help ?
2019-11-06 23:17:06	lukelau	fendor: what’s file.hs? is that generated by hie-bios? https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/52691a63087ceb585c8bdc2ea04b52df3b2eddf1/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Transport/LspStdio.hs#L424
2019-11-06 23:18:08	lukelau	My current ghc is 8.8, but I have my cabal.project.local set to 8.6.5 for my project. I’m getting the warning about unmatched ghc versions when running hie-8.6.5, even though the hie-bios is building with ghc-8.6.5
2019-11-06 23:18:41	lukelau	and I’m wondering how the cradle for getprojectghcversion is procured
2019-11-06 23:19:55	lukelau	Also I think hie-bios master is now stuck in an infinite loop building hie itself
2019-11-06 23:20:20	lukelau	saying some of the test files changed
2019-11-06 23:20:29	lukelau	 - haskell-ide-engine-0.13.0.0 (test:plugin-dispatcher-test) (file test/plugin-dispatcher/Main.hs changed)
2019-11-06 23:25:23	mpickering	lukelau: You have to have the right version on your path
2019-11-06 23:25:30	mpickering	cabal.project.local is not used at all
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2019-11-06 23:36:10	lukelau	cabal-helper was setting the -with-ghc and -with-ghc-pkg flags, but they were getting overriden by cabal by picking up the cabal.project[.local] flag anyway
2019-11-06 23:36:25	lukelau	i’m not sure if that has somnething to do with the build loop anyway
2019-11-06 23:36:48	lukelau	by the way I can’t figure out how to recreate those lsp-test errors locally, i fear it might be a linux thing? will try on my server later tonight or tomorrow
2019-11-06 23:48:53	zeta_0	no response yet ?
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2019-11-07 02:04:39	mpickering	lukelau: don't worry about it then
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2019-11-07 02:36:13	fendor	lukelau, the `cwd </> "File.hs"` is just used as a dummy filepath.
2019-11-07 02:36:30	fendor	We have to find the project root and we find the project root relative to some filepath
2019-11-07 02:36:58	mpickering	fendor: Update from today, my office mate said the current state of master with my haskell-lsp patch was working perfectly for him
2019-11-07 02:37:56	fendor	mpickering, really? Then I will retry and verify the haskell-lsp patches again.
2019-11-07 02:38:13	mpickering	have you been running with the haskell-lsp patches?
2019-11-07 02:38:24	mpickering	I also haven't seen the issue recently but I am not writing haskell programs all day
2019-11-07 02:40:34	fendor	not entirely sure, maybe not with all. Will reinstall it from scratch. wip/vfs?
2019-11-07 02:46:41	mpickering	yeah
2019-11-07 02:47:22	mpickering	progress is working for me again now
2019-11-07 02:47:28	mpickering	so it seems the extensions just auto update?
2019-11-07 02:48:04	fendor	yeah, some extensions auto update. I reinstalled the extension, then it worked again, but I did not have an offer to update it
2019-11-07 02:48:40	mpickering	He is just using what used to be c-h-h + none-cradle + haskell-lsp patch
2019-11-07 02:48:51	mpickering	which is now hie-bios branch + haskell-lsp patch
2019-11-07 02:48:57	mpickering	don't need a different branch of haskell-ide-engine
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2019-11-07 02:53:35	fendor	really? Which branch of haskell-lsp? wip/vfs as well, right? Then I am pretty sure that I tested that branch... whatever, Will reinstall and try again! 
2019-11-07 02:54:43	mpickering	I got the impression you weren't sure whether it was fixed or not
2019-11-07 02:55:01	mpickering	whenever I have asked you have said there have been crashes but you are not sure it's the sync issue
2019-11-07 02:55:13	mpickering	but if you are sure you still see it then I don't have many more ideas
2019-11-07 02:55:34	fendor	Yeah, exactly. And I also wasnt sure if I correctly installed with all patches installed.
2019-11-07 02:57:43	mpickering	I got it wrong at first
2019-11-07 02:57:50	mpickering	because I didn't use my patched haskel-lsp version
2019-11-07 02:59:19	fendor	yeah, I wasnt sure as well, then I tried to check out with the submodules which died because of missing commits... so, yeah, I want to retry before claiming it doesnt work
2019-11-07 03:07:18	mpickering	I am rebasing my branch now which has 3 different things on
2019-11-07 03:07:24	mpickering	1. removing mapFileFromVFS
2019-11-07 03:07:31	mpickering	2. Adding traceEvents
2019-11-07 03:07:33	mpickering	and 3. Reloading
2019-11-07 03:07:51	mpickering	I implemented all this in a blur on Friday night whilst a little drunk and now need to separate the commits from each other
2019-11-07 03:12:37	fendor	lol, I know that feeling. Splitting up commits is actually quite annoying, unless I am doing something wrong
2019-11-07 03:14:30	mpickering	I use `git reset` and then `git add -p` 
2019-11-07 03:22:33	mpickering	there are more like 10 changes in this patch haha
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2019-11-07 04:57:33	alanz	mpickering, it seems liquidhaskell has indeed become a swamp. I am draining it though
2019-11-07 04:58:14	mpickering	Draining the swamp seems to mean making the swamp 100x worse
2019-11-07 04:58:43	mpickering	Updating haskell-lsp feels like a mission
2019-11-07 04:58:56	mpickering	You have to update so many other things 
2019-11-07 04:59:18	alanz	yes. I normally make a PR and then ask lukelau to get involved
2019-11-07 04:59:38	alanz	what specific update are you referring to?
2019-11-07 05:01:08	mpickering	The PR I just made
2019-11-07 05:01:16	mpickering	Which removes a field from VFS
2019-11-07 05:02:56	alanz	for some reason I do not get emails about PRs on that repo. Crazy
2019-11-07 05:05:06	alanz	what does traceEventIO do?
2019-11-07 05:06:40	alanz	nvm : https://hackage.haskell.org/package/base-4.12.0.0/docs/Debug-Trace.html#v:traceEventIO
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2019-11-07 05:59:39	lukelau	mpickering: if you’re making a release make sure to upload haskell-lsp-types before haskell-lsp otherwise the hackage build matrix will fail
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2019-11-07 12:27:28	zeta_0	hello guys, in emacs i am getting this language server protocol error when haskell-ide-engine gets activated, why is that and how do i fix it ? https://hastebin.com/gewebalume.php https://hastebin.com/urahuzilay.nginx
2019-11-07 12:30:33	zeta_0	i don't even understand the: `haskell-lsp:configuration parse error` ?
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2019-11-07 16:15:09	fendor	I get an error: `hie: module ‘Paths_fprog’ cannot be found locally` with cabal-helper. Project is using a package.yaml that really adds "other-modules: Paths_fprog" although I am not using it anywhere
2019-11-07 16:16:02	fendor	therefore, it gets added as a target
2019-11-07 16:19:03	mpickering	you might need to add it to autogen-modules as well?
2019-11-07 16:20:40	fendor	project builds just fine with `cabal v2-build all --enable-tests`
2019-11-07 16:21:21	mpickering	where does that error come from?
2019-11-07 16:21:41	mpickering	sounds like it could be a bug in c-h, especially if the hie-bios cradle works
2019-11-07 16:21:41	fendor	I think it is from hie-bios initialiseEnvironment
2019-11-07 16:22:50	mpickering	It sounds like the correct `-i` flags are not passed
2019-11-07 16:23:18	fendor	I can supply the component options used, wait a second
2019-11-07 16:23:28	fendor	yeah, explicit cabal cradle works
2019-11-07 16:25:19	fendor	flags of c-h: https://gist.github.com/fendor/ff98e0083c1ff959399a76ab2d45fb1e
2019-11-07 16:26:37	mpickering	perhaps the issue is that Paths_fprog is not generated
2019-11-07 16:27:21	fendor	flags from hie-bios https://gist.github.com/fendor/147b67201f5fc7d2e487150a44295441
2019-11-07 16:30:44	mpickering	What does `fd Paths_fprog` say?
2019-11-07 16:30:53	mpickering	and what's the diff between those two sets of flags?
2019-11-07 16:31:16	fendor	wait a minute, Ill try to normalise the diffs
2019-11-07 16:35:41	fendor	https://gist.github.com/fendor/5796b47c35ebfd7747ba7f1f654724e5
2019-11-07 16:36:00	fendor	lines prefixed "<" are from c-h flags and ">" are hie-bios flags
2019-11-07 16:36:34	mpickering	and `fd Paths_fprog`?
2019-11-07 16:37:14	mpickering	or probably `fd Paths_fprog --no-ignore`
2019-11-07 16:37:16	fendor	https://gist.github.com/fendor/d7bd488a5c100de3cbf154c7d926a951
2019-11-07 16:37:28	fendor	same outout with --no-ignore
2019-11-07 16:37:59	fendor	I like the assumption that I will have the rust implementation of find :D 
2019-11-07 16:38:09	mpickering	If you try using the `c-h` cradle again, does it work?
2019-11-07 16:38:37	mpickering	If you didn't then you could run `nix run nixpkgs.fd`... so it's a fair assumption :P
2019-11-07 16:41:47	fendor	no, c-h does not work on the test component, but it does work on the library component
2019-11-07 16:42:35	fendor	in the library components, Paths_fprog is also added to the other-modules
2019-11-07 16:43:16	fendor	*component
2019-11-07 16:43:52	mpickering	I don't see any difference between the flags..
2019-11-07 16:43:57	mpickering	and the file looks like it's in the include path
2019-11-07 16:46:25	fendor	yeah, weird.
2019-11-07 16:47:57	fendor	funnily enough, if I use the flags given c-h with ghc $flags, then it succeeds compilation
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2019-11-07 22:40:59	zeta_0	hello guys, i am still getting the lsp-haskell parse error, what is wrong with my .emacs ? https://hastebin.com/ogehunijed.php https://hastebin.com/yewowojetu.nginx
2019-11-07 22:41:51	zeta_0	if you guys could at least point me to the section of code that is causing this error so i can try to fix it, thanks
2019-11-07 22:50:52	mpickering	fendor: My office mate just reported seeing the sync bug again
2019-11-07 22:51:10	fendor	mpickering, me too, installed and can confirm that hie did not just crash
2019-11-07 22:51:27	fendor	*fresh reinstall
2019-11-07 22:54:27	mpickering	back to the drawing board then
2019-11-07 22:57:52	fendor	I am gonna try to reproduce the issue I think I saw. Where two consecutive versions of the virtual file somehow introduced, or deleted, some character.
2019-11-07 23:34:43	mpickering	It is possible we made it rarer by fixing one of the races
2019-11-07 23:34:49	mpickering	but there were other places which had the same issue
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2019-11-08 01:05:45	zeta_0	alanz: are you there, i need some help ?
2019-11-08 01:06:28	zeta_0	https://hastebin.com/omezuwogap.nginx
2019-11-08 01:06:43	zeta_0	https://hastebin.com/iyowunepug.php
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2019-11-08 06:01:36	JKTKops	Since Intero is no longer being maintained, do you guys think switching to an HIE-based environment would be a good idea? I've been thinking about it for a while and now might be the time.
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2019-11-08 16:44:27	jneira_	hi! i guess i should see hlint suggestions as warnings in the problems tab of vs code, right?
2019-11-08 16:44:57	jneira_	dont see using the hie-bios branch
2019-11-08 16:45:18	mpickering	I have also seen this
2019-11-08 16:45:26	mpickering	open an issue?
2019-11-08 16:45:40	mpickering	sometimes I see them and sometimes not
2019-11-08 16:50:47	jneira_	mmm, testing with master: i see them one second (in the tab and the code underlined in blue) and then they get removed
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2019-11-08 16:51:31	jneira_	with hie-bios it doesnt show anything but i am getting "lintCmd: no access to the persisted file."
2019-11-08 16:51:43	jneira_	maybe it is related with the vfs issue...
2019-11-08 16:52:11	mpickering	can you reproduce it somehow?
2019-11-08 16:53:20	jneira_	every time i open a file or i save it the error is showed, included in simple projects
2019-11-08 16:53:25	mpickering	I will investigate this evening
2019-11-08 16:53:57	jneira_	but maybe it is a windows issue (at least the master behaviour, i suppose in linux works)
2019-11-08 16:57:54	jneira_	I've updated https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/36 just in case it is related with the vfs system
2019-11-08 16:58:48	mpickering	so do Hlint suggestions not work at all for you?
2019-11-08 16:59:04	jneira_	with hie-bios it doesnt
2019-11-08 16:59:08	mpickering	I disable them so I don't know
2019-11-08 16:59:58	jneira_	with master they work badly, i see them only an instant
2019-11-08 17:00:32	mpickering	I just tried and they work for me
2019-11-08 17:01:21	jneira_	ok, so the might be a windows issue and although the behaviour is not exactly the same they could be related
2019-11-08 17:01:47	jneira_	if i execute `hlint .` in a console works fine
2019-11-08 17:02:00	mpickering	I am just loading h-i-e and I get hlint suggestions
2019-11-08 17:02:09	mpickering	If you work out how I could reproduce it then write an issue
2019-11-08 17:02:16	mpickering	but so far "opening" a project works
2019-11-08 17:02:27	mpickering	but you are right that no access to persisted file sounds worrying
2019-11-08 17:03:36	mpickering	I will make that error more verbose
2019-11-08 17:06:21	jneira_	the error can be reproduces in windows easily, the log emits: `2019-11-08 12:23:09.2940004 [ThreadId 27] - ghcDispatcher:Got error for a request: IdeError {ideCode = PluginError, ideMessage = "lintCmd: no access to the persisted file.", ideInfo = Null} with mid: Nothing
2019-11-08 17:10:03	mpickering	https://code.visualstudio.com/updates/v1_40
2019-11-08 17:10:22	mpickering	yeah that almost certainly indicates a bug
2019-11-08 17:10:28	mpickering	I will make that message more verbose
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2019-11-08 17:11:31	jneira_	full log only opening vscode in a file which should trigger hlint suggestions: https://gist.github.com/jneira/0f7ddd27e3e20b4f2890fdb57f27d866
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2019-11-08 17:13:28	mpickering	wz1000: https://code.visualstudio.com/updates/v1_40#_vscodeenvasexternaluri
2019-11-08 17:13:34	mpickering	does that help your problem with the local server?
2019-11-08 17:14:49	mpickering	jneira_: Ok I will look into it
2019-11-08 17:15:00	mpickering	but like I say, I can't reproduce so it will probably amount to more verbose logigng
2019-11-08 17:15:11	mpickering	ie, print out what files are currently in the VFS at that point
2019-11-08 17:15:31	jneira_	i see in the log that `2019-11-07 19:37:29.7890004 [ThreadId 105] - setTargets: [("d:\\ws\\haskell\\dhall-xml\\tasty\\Main.hs","C:\\TEMP\\VFS6443.hs")]`
2019-11-08 17:16:11	jneira_	is printed out after `2019-11-07 19:37:29.7420004 [ThreadId 27] - ghcDispatcher:Got error for a request: IdeError {ideCode = PluginError, ideMessage = "lintCmd: no access to the persisted file."`
2019-11-08 17:16:20	mpickering	that shouldn't matter
2019-11-08 17:16:24	jneira_	aha
2019-11-08 17:16:38	mpickering	setTargets is to do with typechecking the module
2019-11-08 17:16:47	jneira_	ok
2019-11-08 17:16:52	mpickering	As soon as the file is opened, vscode sends the Open notifcation
2019-11-08 17:17:01	mpickering	at which point, it should be put into the VFS
2019-11-08 17:17:06	mpickering	haskell-lsp handles that
2019-11-08 17:18:00	mpickering	but for some reason the ghc thread is looking into the VFS before the open notification is handled?
2019-11-08 17:18:42	mpickering	In that case, you might expect to block until the file is put into the VFS
2019-11-08 17:19:13	jneira_	log when the temp file is created could be useful
2019-11-08 17:19:33	mpickering	I am going to go through the logging and remove some of the noise
2019-11-08 17:19:35	mpickering	as there is way too much
2019-11-08 17:21:05	mpickering	The file should be put into the VFS here- 2019-11-07 19:37:25.5880004 [ThreadId 25] - ****** reactor: processing NotDidOpenTextDocument
2019-11-08 17:21:26	mpickering	which is certainly before 19:37:29.7420004
2019-11-08 17:21:31	jneira_	yep
2019-11-08 17:21:34	mpickering	4 seconds
2019-11-08 17:21:35	jneira_	;thinking"
2019-11-08 17:22:55	jneira_	i talk with fendor about this error and he believed that could be configured as a only log warning (without propagatin to the editor)
2019-11-08 17:23:38	jneira_	but we didnt mention anything about missing hlint suggestions..
2019-11-08 17:23:42	mpickering	well we thought this only happened if you requested diagnostics for a file after it was closed
2019-11-08 17:23:54	jneira_	aha
2019-11-08 17:24:03	mpickering	because then the VFS entry is removed and deleted
2019-11-08 17:24:19	jneira_	the linux impl of VFS is different from windows one?
2019-11-08 17:24:22	mpickering	no
2019-11-08 17:24:33	mpickering	but the scheduler implementation probably is
2019-11-08 17:24:37	mpickering	in some subtle way
2019-11-08 17:24:44	jneira_	in windows it creates a lot of files in C:\TEMP, i think 
2019-11-08 17:24:46	mpickering	Really this case should never be triggered
2019-11-08 17:24:49	mpickering	as if the file is closed
2019-11-08 17:24:57	mpickering	then any subsequent actions on that file should be cancelled
2019-11-08 17:25:04	mpickering	Yes, same on linux
2019-11-08 17:25:13	mpickering	I changed that so it cleans up 
2019-11-08 17:25:21	mpickering	on my latest haskell-lsp PR
2019-11-08 17:27:04	jneira_	well, i'll try to trace the error as it seems to be windows specific
2019-11-08 17:27:20	mpickering	If you want to debug it I would modify the error to print out the current state of the VFS
2019-11-08 17:27:38	mpickering	It might be a stupid problem
2019-11-08 17:27:45	jneira_	sure
2019-11-08 17:27:48	mpickering	the annoying part is that involves changing haskell-lsp
2019-11-08 17:28:21	jneira_	i could try https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-lsp/tree/wip/virtual-file-fix too
2019-11-08 17:28:36	mpickering	not sure that would help a lot but sure
2019-11-08 17:28:43	mpickering	it changes something so it might haha
2019-11-08 17:29:04	jneira_	XD
2019-11-08 17:29:44	mpickering	What we really need is a transaction log of all read/writes to the VFS
2019-11-08 17:30:06	mpickering	perhaps it wouldn't be so hard to set that up
2019-11-08 17:30:55	jneira_	re: support for others compilers in hie-bios, i think i'm gonna close the issue
2019-11-08 17:31:16	jneira_	add the eta and ghcjs api to hie-bios seems to be out of scope
2019-11-08 17:32:00	jneira_	maybe if i have time i will add eta support in a fork
2019-11-08 17:32:16	jneira_	at least i will learn about hie-bios and the ghc api internals :-P
2019-11-08 17:33:44	jneira_	mpickering: do you agree to close the issue?
2019-11-08 17:39:48	mpickering	yeah
2019-11-08 17:46:27	mpickering	I'm looking forward to moving on from stabilizing the diagnostics/module loading part
2019-11-08 17:46:38	mpickering	to making the user facing features more robust
2019-11-08 17:46:42	mpickering	such as go-to definition
2019-11-08 17:47:19	mpickering	I would also like to nail these memory leak issues but they are not as evident now I don't hink
2019-11-08 17:47:24	mpickering	now we fixed some bad ones
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2019-11-09 03:52:30	alanz	mpickering, I plan on looking at your haskell-lsp PR tomorrow, my brain is not in the right place for it this evening
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2019-11-09 04:10:49	alanz	So the updated CI docker image now shows up the same error I see locally: https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/4263
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2019-11-10 00:03:37	haroldcarr	Anybody here?
2019-11-10 00:05:00	haroldcarr	I just installed hie on my mac/mojave and did the emacs integration.
2019-11-10 00:05:05	haroldcarr	It just worked the first time!
2019-11-10 00:05:36	haroldcarr	QUESTION:  If I visit file X.hs, it leaves behind a X_flymake.hs file.
2019-11-10 00:05:39	haroldcarr	What's up?
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2019-11-10 02:05:19	mpickering	alanz: I have constructed a test which proves that persistVirtualFile has a race in it
2019-11-10 02:06:09	mpickering	which is mostly an academic exercise
2019-11-10 02:07:39	alanz	ok
2019-11-10 02:07:59	mpickering	not sure if there's interest in testing this sort of thing 
2019-11-10 02:08:04	mpickering	I'll put up my branch later
2019-11-10 02:12:44	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-lsp/tree/wip/dejafu
2019-11-10 02:15:01	alanz	definitely
2019-11-10 02:18:34	alanz	Although I suspect it may be simpler to go back to MVars, rather than putting all that heavy machinery in place. Our concurrency model is/should be quite straightforward
2019-11-10 02:19:49	alanz	but if it allows us to run tests, then it is a win
2019-11-10 02:28:43	mpickering	yeah I don't really understand the change to TVar in the first place, the commit mentions no details why
2019-11-10 02:29:01	mpickering	but not I have modified them all to be atomic it should beok
2019-11-10 02:29:23	mpickering	and if we want to implement more complicated blocking such as , `persistVirtualFile` blocks until the VFS contains the right version
2019-11-10 02:29:26	mpickering	then it's the right tool
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2019-11-10 18:31:58	alanz	mpickering, I am starting to explore your dejafu branch oh haskell-lsp now. Good to see a repeatable error show up
2019-11-10 18:34:41	mpickering	It's mostly mechanical refactoring but a lot of lines changed!
2019-11-10 18:45:20	alanz	yes, so I see. And MonadConc required for dejafu
2019-11-10 18:45:43	alanz	I am trying to get my head around how it actually runs, and how to interpret the results.
2019-11-10 18:45:56	alanz	Or rather, how to go back from the results to the actual execution path
2019-11-10 18:46:14	 *	alanz has been wanting to play with dejafu for a while now
2019-11-10 18:53:15	mpickering	So you see the test itself?
2019-11-10 18:53:29	mpickering	What that does is in one thread handle some change requests
2019-11-10 18:53:35	mpickering	and in another thread call persistVirtualFile
2019-11-10 18:54:07	mpickering	then it verifies that we always get the same answer independent of the scheduling 
2019-11-10 18:54:11	mpickering	but that fails
2019-11-10 18:54:22	mpickering	and you read the fail as "This was the result produced under this scheduling"
2019-11-10 18:54:43	mpickering	The good case is something like
2019-11-10 18:54:44	mpickering	`----------------S1---------------------S2------------S0----`
2019-11-10 18:55:05	mpickering	Which means Thread 1 started (then stopped) then Thread 2 started 
2019-11-10 18:55:15	mpickering	So all the actions on the first thread completed before the second thread started
2019-11-10 18:55:19	mpickering	the bad case is something like
2019-11-10 18:55:28	mpickering	`----------------S1------P2----P1---------------S2--------S0----`
2019-11-10 18:56:05	mpickering	Which means that 1 started, then thread 2 interrupted it then thread 2 interrupted thread one then 2 started again
2019-11-10 18:56:25	alanz	ok
2019-11-10 18:56:27	mpickering	So `P` stands for "preempt"
2019-11-10 18:56:40	mpickering	And marks when one thread prempts another one
2019-11-10 18:56:49	alanz	Yes I saw that in the manual, which I am currently reading through.
2019-11-10 18:57:01	alanz	How do the thread numbers tie back?
2019-11-10 18:57:08	mpickering	oh I labelled those as well
2019-11-10 18:57:08	alanz	order of start
2019-11-10 18:57:12	mpickering	which is also in the output
2019-11-10 18:57:34	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/FbCAw51l/
2019-11-10 18:57:37	alanz	right, now I look closely I see that. Great
2019-11-10 18:57:55	alanz	what is 0?
2019-11-10 18:58:03	mpickering	the main thread
2019-11-10 18:58:04	alanz	the test driver?
2019-11-10 18:58:18	mpickering	the one which `TextDocumentDidOpen` gets handled in
2019-11-10 18:58:49	mpickering	I structured the test like this because if `persistVirtualFile` is called before the file is in the VFS then it crashes
2019-11-10 18:58:57	alanz	ok
2019-11-10 18:59:18	mpickering	perhaps that's also a bug :P
2019-11-10 18:59:58	alanz	well, the way it is used in practice that *should* be impossible
2019-11-10 19:00:49	alanz	mpickering, in https://gist.github.com/alanz/854b27f55fedcb4da59b4b9748b85574
2019-11-10 19:00:57	alanz	does it mean all three cases failed?
2019-11-10 19:01:07	alanz	in particular the first one, with no preemption
2019-11-10 19:01:16	mpickering	No the test checks to see if the output is the same in all cases
2019-11-10 19:01:27	mpickering	so it lists the three different outputs it observed
2019-11-10 19:01:32	alanz	ok
2019-11-10 19:02:04	alanz	But if you persist twice and read once, you should get different intermediate files
2019-11-10 19:02:26	alanz	if I understand correctly, you are sending two edits to VFS, and calling persist
2019-11-10 19:02:41	alanz	Do you only check for equality once all of them are done?
2019-11-10 19:03:08	mpickering	what do you mean?
2019-11-10 19:03:08	alanz	because you need to check they are done by calling persist after the two edits are seen
2019-11-10 19:03:29	mpickering	The equality is on the contents of the VFS
2019-11-10 19:03:32	mpickering	nothing to do with the virtual files
2019-11-10 19:03:56	alanz	my quick look at your code seems to show it generating two changes to the VFS :
2019-11-10 19:03:56	alanz	  changes <- asyncN "changes" $ forM_ [0..1] changeReq
2019-11-10 19:04:04	mpickering	yep
2019-11-10 19:04:10	alanz	and at the same time doing the read in the next line
2019-11-10 19:04:37	alanz	But if the edits are changing the contents of the VFS, then different interleaving will give different results
2019-11-10 19:04:51	mpickering	yeah the persisted file will be different
2019-11-10 19:04:54	mpickering	but that's not what is tested
2019-11-10 19:05:18	alanz	ok, what is tested? that the VFS is identical at the end of the trace?
2019-11-10 19:05:25	mpickering	yeah, the contents of the VFS
2019-11-10 19:05:26	alanz	I am still learning this code
2019-11-10 19:05:47	alanz	ok, so after waitBoth you check the result
2019-11-10 19:05:47	mpickering	So it shouldn't matter in what order the calls are interleaved
2019-11-10 19:06:02	mpickering	All the changes should still be evident in the VFS at the end
2019-11-10 19:06:03	alanz	right, makes sense. Great.
2019-11-10 19:06:31	alanz	There is a concept of equivalence of VFS, for the fingertree
2019-11-10 19:06:38	alanz	i.e. reading it may mutate.
2019-11-10 19:06:43	mpickering	this was my point from last week about `persistVirtualFile` should take a version number as well so it blocks until that version is in the VFS
2019-11-10 19:06:54	mpickering	I convert the contents to Text
2019-11-10 19:06:56	mpickering	and compare that
2019-11-10 19:06:59	alanz	ok, good
2019-11-10 19:07:04	mpickering	See line 107
2019-11-10 19:07:04	alanz	was hoping so
2019-11-10 19:08:50	alanz	I think the problem needs to be fixed here, rather than a band-aid on the edges
2019-11-10 19:09:16	alanz	I am still doubtful about doing IO actions after the critical section
2019-11-10 19:09:48	mpickering	why? that's how you're supposed to do it
2019-11-10 19:09:59	mpickering	the point of this test is that my other patch should fix it
2019-11-10 19:10:04	mpickering	and all the other cases I could find
2019-11-10 19:10:16	alanz	I know thats how you are supposed to do it with atomically. I am just not sure it is appropriate to what we are trying to do
2019-11-10 19:10:16	mpickering	however, I didn't test yet as the conflicts will be a bit annoying
2019-11-10 19:10:41	alanz	we need to guarantee that the IO action cannot reach back and mutate the state we are trying to protect
2019-11-10 19:10:55	alanz	which then bypasses the protection.
2019-11-10 19:11:18	alanz	in my mind doing is all clearly in the protected region rules out that possibility
2019-11-10 19:12:22	mpickering	I think the only place we really do IO inside a transation was `persistVirtualFile`
2019-11-10 19:12:30	mpickering	so the returned action is only writing a file
2019-11-10 19:12:35	mpickering	the other places are about logging
2019-11-10 19:13:38	alanz	Well, I will poke about a bit and see what I can find.  Most likely by bringing my MVar hammer in to play
2019-11-10 19:14:22	mpickering	:) It's wasted effort as I already fixed all the issues
2019-11-10 19:14:55	alanz	great, you mean you have a version that is safe?
2019-11-10 19:15:11	alanz	where is it?
2019-11-10 19:15:31	mpickering	in my PR
2019-11-10 19:15:45	alanz	which does not have dejafu?
2019-11-10 19:15:49	mpickering	not yet
2019-11-10 19:16:15	mpickering	It's a combination of your branch without the MVar
2019-11-10 19:16:26	mpickering	and fixes to all the other places I could find dirty writes by reading the code
2019-11-10 19:16:48	alanz	ok.  I have not looked at it yet because I thought the dejafu branch is the main one
2019-11-10 19:17:10	alanz	I guess applying dejafu to the "before" version proves the existence of the bug
2019-11-10 19:17:22	alanz	so that if we run the same tests after we can have some confidence
2019-11-10 19:17:40	mpickering	exactly
2019-11-10 19:17:51	mpickering	and I wanted to actually show a bug to know my test was right 
2019-11-10 19:18:03	alanz	It is always the right first step.
2019-11-10 19:18:19	alanz	If you cant reproduce the bug, you cant know youve fixed it
2019-11-10 19:18:40	alanz	and for concurrent code that is often the hardest part, making it reproducable
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2019-11-10 19:19:43	mpickering	I am not that happy about some of the dejafu branch, for example I had to export some more stuff in order to be able to write the test
2019-11-10 19:19:47	mpickering	I would prefer to use the public API
2019-11-10 19:19:58	mpickering	but then wasn't sure how to actually send the change requests 
2019-11-10 19:22:10	alanz	It should be possible to run the test by injecting actual messages
2019-11-10 19:22:30	alanz	into the core loop, at the worst case.
2019-11-10 19:22:42	alanz	let me refresh myself on that
2019-11-10 19:23:05	mpickering	I basically only converted the functions in `Core.hs` to dejafu classes
2019-11-10 19:23:13	mpickering	and then the ones in control specialised to IO like before
2019-11-10 19:24:37	alanz	ok
2019-11-10 19:25:05	alanz	I think having dejafu tests might be worth the cost of pushing it all the way through.
2019-11-10 19:25:18	 *	alanz still reading code
2019-11-10 19:26:34	mpickering	well maybe but the concurrency is actually quite simple as there is no blocking but then again, it has been wrong for a number of years 
2019-11-10 19:27:20	alanz	True, there have been sporadic complaints about the buffer getting out of sync
2019-11-10 19:27:29	alanz	oddly enough I never experienced it
2019-11-10 19:27:58	alanz	We should be able to run the dejafu stuff via handleMessage, I suspect
2019-11-10 19:28:22	alanz	with the right wrapper around it to make injecting a message easy
2019-11-10 19:29:10	mpickering	I think what you want to test is that calling the functions in `LspFuncs` in another thread to the changes messages is safe
2019-11-10 19:29:19	mpickering	as LspFuncs are what is called by `haskell-ide-engine`
2019-11-10 19:30:42	alanz	yes, but if we throw in an initialize message our callback gets called, with an lspfuncs structure
2019-11-10 19:30:56	alanz	we can then trigger the other tests
2019-11-10 19:31:21	alanz	but on the other hand, keeping tests simple(r) to understand is better.
2019-11-10 19:31:45	alanz	The danger is that people start using the newly exposed functions and we can no longer reason about our context
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2019-11-10 22:08:51	mpickering	alanz: Should we rebase the dejafu branch onto master now?
2019-11-10 22:09:02	mpickering	What do you want to do with that?
2019-11-10 22:09:39	alanz	I think it makes sense to, given you have put in the work, and keeping that property is important
2019-11-10 22:10:11	alanz	It would be really bad to have to go through all this again at some future date because of some acciental breakage
2019-11-10 22:10:55	alanz	And FYI I am checking what has to change in HIE to run with current haskell-lsp master. Seems some tests
2019-11-10 22:11:24	mpickering	I was just a bit wary about whether the public API should expose MonadConc or not
2019-11-10 22:11:25	alanz	is there a matching PR for lsp-test?
2019-11-10 22:11:39	mpickering	I patched lsp-test locally
2019-11-10 22:11:45	alanz	ok
2019-11-10 22:11:47	mpickering	I think pushed up a commit as well
2019-11-10 22:12:05	alanz	If I understand our options then for haskell-lsp it is
2019-11-10 22:12:25	mpickering	I think the only API change was to remove the field from VirtualFile
2019-11-10 22:12:39	alanz	a) hide MonadConc but expose internal funcs
2019-11-10 22:12:49	alanz	b) hide internal funcs but expose MonadConc
2019-11-10 22:12:56	alanz	is that correct?
2019-11-10 22:14:15	mpickering	I was thinking the main API is supposed to be in the Control module?
2019-11-10 22:14:34	mpickering	At the moment the types there are the same as they were before
2019-11-10 22:14:38	mpickering	No MonadConc
2019-11-10 22:14:48	mpickering	Everything in Core is supposed to be internal?
2019-11-10 22:14:55	mpickering	Types there are MonadConc
2019-11-10 22:15:09	alanz	ok. Its probably best to try to keep it that the existing users can carry on without MonadConc
2019-11-10 22:15:24	alanz	what does it do to handler funcs?
2019-11-10 22:15:42	alanz	I guess I should look :)
2019-11-10 22:19:42	alanz	Looks like it will leak out.
2019-11-10 22:19:58	alanz	Perhaps we should make an issue, see what cocreature et al think
2019-11-10 22:20:49	alanz	Because I am in favour of doing it, unless there is a good reason not to
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2019-11-10 22:23:27	mpickering	Ah here he is
2019-11-10 22:26:44	fendor	good morning :) 
2019-11-10 22:29:20	lukelau	hey congratulations everyone, hie just passed 2k stars https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/stargazers
2019-11-10 22:29:37	fendor	hooray!
2019-11-10 22:30:14	alanz	yay, well done all
2019-11-10 22:30:29	fendor	mpickering, were you able to find more races with dejafu?
2019-11-10 22:30:41	fendor	you think this is a promising path?
2019-11-10 22:31:25	mpickering	fendor: I didn't try to find any more
2019-11-10 22:31:48	mpickering	It's obvious from the code they existed so this was more of an academic exercise
2019-11-10 22:32:41	lukelau	alanz: woops that should have been “haskell-based (language server)”
2019-11-10 22:32:47	alanz	fendor, do you have scrollback?
2019-11-10 22:32:52	fendor	yeah, but it could still be great to detect races
2019-11-10 22:32:58	alanz	agree
2019-11-10 22:33:02	fendor	alanz, no, unfortunately not
2019-11-10 22:34:00	alanz	fendor, here is what happened earlier: https://gist.github.com/alanz/c7680e44ea037ec0aa49b1c0dfd1eb36
2019-11-10 22:34:06	lukelau	alanz: this only affects lsp-test if your runSession command begins with calling `stack exec` right?
2019-11-10 22:34:13	alanz	crappy copy and paste, but the gist is there
2019-11-10 22:34:53	alanz	well, I needed to do the same fix for calling liquidhaskell for real
2019-11-10 22:35:11	alanz	so basically spawning any subprocess that may run haskell code needs to be protected
2019-11-10 22:35:29	alanz	liquid haskell installed via cabal and on the path as just an exe
2019-11-10 22:35:58	alanz	And I would imagine that in most cases the runSession command would need to spawn a server
2019-11-10 22:36:36	lukelau	were you running lsp-test via stack?
2019-11-10 22:36:37	alanz	The thing is, the failure is kind of weird to diagnose
2019-11-10 22:36:47	alanz	yes
2019-11-10 22:36:50	lukelau	right
2019-11-10 22:37:06	alanz	stack --stack-yaml=stack.yaml test haskell-ide-engine:func-test --test-arguments "--match \"/FunctionalCodeActions/code actions/add package suggestions/adds to .cabal files/\""
2019-11-10 22:37:21	lukelau	i don’t want to be implicitly unsetting environment variables since this definitely falls outside of lsp-test’s responsibilites
2019-11-10 22:37:53	alanz	I know, I am in two minds about it. Perhaps we could consider an option to pass in requesting it to happen
2019-11-10 22:38:00	alanz	which by default is off
2019-11-10 22:38:06	lukelau	that is definitely weird on stacks behalf. maybe there could be a configuration option to unset all environment variables
2019-11-10 22:38:13	alanz	As that set of env vars does change over time
2019-11-10 22:38:28	alanz	they are adapting to the new cabal lib
2019-11-10 22:38:58	alanz	Otherwise we just add it as a footnote to the lsp-test readme, and do nothing else
2019-11-10 22:39:07	alanz	It *is* a gotcha
2019-11-10 22:40:29	lukelau	yeah best not to waste anyone elses time trying to figure this out
2019-11-10 22:40:55	lukelau	I’ll stick a troubleshooting section into the readme, like what we have for hie?
2019-11-10 22:41:09	alanz	sounds good
2019-11-10 22:41:26	alanz	Its just about alerting other people to the potential problem
2019-11-10 22:48:33	alanz	mpickering, which lsp-test branch should I use? Did you push your update?
2019-11-10 22:50:16	mpickering	I can't remember and am not at my computer
2019-11-10 22:50:27	mpickering	It would be on my fork anyway
2019-11-10 23:25:15	alanz	ok
2019-11-10 23:47:23	alanz	lukelau, ping
2019-11-11 00:12:03	alanz	mpickering, https://github.com/bubba/lsp-test/pull/58
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2019-11-11 03:31:11	mpickering	I rebase the dejafu branch and the test passes (as expected)
2019-11-11 03:35:04	alanz	Is there any simple way to undo some key part and show it up again?
2019-11-11 03:38:53	mpickering	hmm I quickly tried
2019-11-11 03:39:06	mpickering	and I don't think so
2019-11-11 03:39:25	mpickering	make the file names deterministic just stopped the virtual file getting updated by `persistVirtualFile`
2019-11-11 03:39:48	mpickering	you could observe it with the reverseMap changing
2019-11-11 03:40:26	alanz	ok. 
2019-11-11 03:40:42	alanz	Well, we know it did show up the problem, and it is in place if we need to extend on it
2019-11-11 03:41:02	alanz	and it can serve as an early warning if anything changes to break that property
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2019-11-11 17:53:17	jneira_	alanz: i am implementing the unit test over liquid haskell exe version in PATH
2019-11-11 17:53:30	jneira_	although it wouldn't be my first issue...
2019-11-11 17:54:32	jneira_	let me know if you think it should be reserved for a newcomer
2019-11-11 17:55:57	alanz	jneira_: that is fine
2019-11-11 17:57:12	jneira_	i think the support for the the lastest liquid version could hrlp fix the tests for azure f.e., i'll try to change the azure config for that
2019-11-11 17:57:19	jneira_	*help
2019-11-11 17:59:41	fendor	what are the remainung blockers for merging hie-bios? 3 tests fail, the virtial file issue and unknown language extensions crash hie on startup? Did I miss anything? Iirc, there is also an issue with c-h-h
2019-11-11 18:08:11	jneira_	fendor: whayt issue with c-h-h?
2019-11-11 18:09:01	jneira_	btw, sorry for the noise in the issue about ghcs... using `stack*.yaml` files would be fine for me
2019-11-11 18:10:29	fendor	jneira_, when I open in a stack project the executable, the package dependency may be wrong. E.g. https://gist.github.com/fendor/330866778916b7d00bafa03a1c9b0262#file-fprog-hs-L46 the library name ought to be "fprog-0.1.0.0-inplace"
2019-11-11 18:10:52	fendor	jneira_, no worries, that wasnt noise but an important remark!
2019-11-11 18:12:25	fendor	leads to the following error message: https://gist.github.com/fendor/8eae2d368357ad946c94684636ea3832
2019-11-11 18:15:32	jneira_	oh,  so the executable misses the library dependency
2019-11-11 18:16:57	fendor	no, it doesnt miss it, the library dependency just looks wrong, imo. Or, if it isnt, some wrong path is submitted
2019-11-11 18:19:16	fendor	if I use hie-bios, the package-id is correctly: "-package=fprog-0.1.0.0"
2019-11-11 18:25:28	mpickering	the virtual file issues should be fixed with the the changes to haskell-lsp and my big PR called "friday fixes"
2019-11-11 18:26:42	fendor	really?! incredible! Then I will try it out today!
2019-11-11 18:27:06	mpickering	you might have some issue building "friday fixes"
2019-11-11 18:27:12	mpickering	because it needs patched haskell-lsp
2019-11-11 18:30:04	fendor	that is fine, which branch of haskell-lsp?
2019-11-11 18:30:11	fendor	wip/vfs?
2019-11-11 18:30:31	mpickering	master now
2019-11-11 18:30:58	fendor	already? nice
2019-11-11 18:31:01	fendor	will install asap
2019-11-11 19:15:19	fendor	fun fact, doing a `stack build` before opening the project works fine
2019-11-11 19:19:01	fendor	c-h-h seems to work with stack, assuming `stack build` and `stack build --test` have been executed before
2019-11-11 19:19:45	mpickering	probably means that not enough is triggered to be compiled before it spits out the options
2019-11-11 19:21:14	fendor	yeah, same issue happens with hie-bios
2019-11-11 19:21:34	fendor	at least, we are consistent
2019-11-11 19:24:30	jneira_	mmm i think c-h-h has given me build errors using cabal if i did not build the project before opening vscode 
2019-11-11 19:25:09	fendor	jneira_, really? I think for me it built the deps and the project correctly
2019-11-11 19:25:20	jneira_	i mean: c-h-h fails to compute the cabal-v2 based cradle if i did not build the project before 
2019-11-11 19:26:07	jneira_	in test/exe components... i'll try to reproduce it in a simple project and report the data
2019-11-11 19:26:34	fendor	jneira_, please do, it should work, imo!
2019-11-11 19:27:33	jneira_	yeah i think it failed in the `cabal build component --only-configure` steps if `dist-new-style` doesnt ever exist
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2019-11-11 19:31:53	fendor	jneira, nope, works for me, deleted everything and opened an executable file
2019-11-11 20:43:29	lukelau	alanz: now that apply-refact is updated for ghc 8.8 whats the status of hie 8.8?
2019-11-11 20:44:15	lukelau	by the way i left some commit suggestions for https://github.com/bubba/lsp-test/pull/58
2019-11-11 20:44:59	mpickering	do I still need to release that or did someone else do it?
2019-11-11 20:45:42	alanz	lukelau: it is basically waiting for hie-bios to land first
2019-11-11 20:46:17	alanz	There are some changes queued up, mainly on the HaRe side, that are waiting for that
2019-11-11 20:50:01	lukelau	alanz: 👍 
2019-11-11 20:56:27	fendor	🐋
2019-11-11 20:56:36	fendor	i love the unicode whales
2019-11-11 21:15:45	fendor	mpickering, were you also using a differnet hare version? using wip/friday fixes with current master of haskell-lsp fails with https://gist.github.com/fendor/ae7c8e7e4fb86fe2b12b63f26ff57830
2019-11-11 21:17:01	mpickering	I have no idea
2019-11-11 21:17:08	mpickering	it might not have even built sorry
2019-11-11 21:17:28	mpickering	I don't think I bothered to patch HaRe 
2019-11-11 21:17:54	fendor	ok, I will see if I can quickly path it
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2019-11-11 22:56:30	jneira	hi!
2019-11-11 23:11:01	mpickering	4 minute window
2019-11-11 23:11:02	mpickering	nice
2019-11-11 23:40:35	mpickering	fendor: Did you succeed with Mr. Friday Fixes?
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2019-11-12 00:21:28	fendor	mpickering, no, I had tutoring hour
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2019-11-12 02:53:57	alanz	lukelau, mpickering, fendor are you guys happy with the state of haskell-lsp for vfs race conditions? Should we do the release dance for that and lsp-test?
2019-11-12 02:59:32	fenedor	I had no opportunity to test it, yet.
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2019-11-12 03:00:50	fenedor	which I would like to do tomorrow. is that ok? 
2019-11-12 03:00:52	alanz	ok, no great rush, I think.
2019-11-12 03:02:07	fenedor	thank you
2019-11-12 03:02:35	lukelau	I’d like to give it a test at some point as well
2019-11-12 03:02:37	jneira	i am running the test suite in windows and it looks ok
2019-11-12 03:03:02	alanz	I have it installed as my default hie at the moment. 
2019-11-12 03:03:14	alanz	But have not done any haskell dev today (yet)
2019-11-12 03:03:22	lukelau	although I cant say i ever personally ran into race conditions myself
2019-11-12 03:03:31	alanz	nor did I
2019-11-12 03:03:36	lukelau	was there a ticket/issue opened for these race conditions?
2019-11-12 03:04:00	lukelau	mpickering: is this related to that race condition you showed me at zurihac?
2019-11-12 03:04:05	alanz	I think it depends on a bunch of things contributing, like client being used, code being edited, machine capabilities, etc
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2019-11-12 03:07:33	 *	alanz was wondering if that name was deliberate
2019-11-12 03:07:50	fendor	lukelau, issue: https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/
2019-11-12 03:08:12	alanz	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/36
2019-11-12 03:08:15	alanz	that one
2019-11-12 03:08:17	alanz	I think
2019-11-12 03:08:49	fendor	dammit, yeah, thanks
2019-11-12 03:09:07	lukelau	yow, didn’t we have this issue ages ago but it was to do with the order in which LSP text edits were applied?
2019-11-12 03:09:47	fendor	lukelau, how would that make sense?
2019-11-12 03:09:55	alanz	yes, but this was due to improper locking
2019-11-12 03:10:39	lukelau	fendor: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/603
2019-11-12 03:10:48	lukelau	thankfully nothing to do with concurrency
2019-11-12 03:11:19	fendor	oh my...
2019-11-12 03:11:26	fendor	is that reproducible?
2019-11-12 03:11:52	lukelau	the bug in the PR I just linked?
2019-11-12 03:12:22	fendor	yeah
2019-11-12 03:12:30	fendor	or rather, are there steps ro reproduce it?
2019-11-12 03:12:34	lukelau	only on certain lsp clients that batched together those text edits
2019-11-12 03:13:06	lukelau	from what i remember it was easy to reproduce if you just slammed the keys fast enough in vscode
2019-11-12 03:13:52	mpickering	easy to reproduce with lsp-test anyway
2019-11-12 03:13:57	mpickering	What race was I talking about at Zurihac?
2019-11-12 03:14:03	mpickering	It wasn;t this one anyway
2019-11-12 03:14:39	mpickering	The problem became more apparent very quickly because we were calling some of the lsp-funcs way more often than before
2019-11-12 03:15:46	alanz	mpickering, We should only serialise the file to a temporary file once per edit.  And only run ghc typechecking once per edit
2019-11-12 03:16:19	mpickering	should as in, we should change something
2019-11-12 03:16:25	mpickering	or that's how it should work
2019-11-12 03:16:59	alanz	that is how it should work, so the frequency of hitting that should not have changed
2019-11-12 03:17:15	alanz	"how it should work"
2019-11-12 03:17:21	alanz	I think
2019-11-12 03:17:25	mpickering	but before the temporary files bit was dealt with by ghc-mod
2019-11-12 03:17:42	mpickering	so lsp-funcs were called much less often
2019-11-12 03:18:15	alanz	well, ghc-mod was mapping the file, which caused a call to the vfs thing to provide the tex
2019-11-12 03:18:17	alanz	text
2019-11-12 03:19:01	alanz	Actually no, we serialised the VFS in the hie main loop and passed it in the message. I seem to recall from looking at that code recently
2019-11-12 03:19:03	mpickering	but not to update state
2019-11-12 03:19:12	alanz	True.
2019-11-12 03:19:16	mpickering	there was also that `mapFileFromVFS` function
2019-11-12 03:19:24	mpickering	which is deleted on my most recent PR
2019-11-12 03:19:43	alanz	Anyway, we are at a place now where we seem to have nailed down the problem. So this is all irrelevant
2019-11-12 03:19:53	alanz	Since we are moving forward now
2019-11-12 03:20:22	mpickering	I am waiting for a haskell-lsp release so I can rebase my latest PR so it builds
2019-11-12 03:20:48	fendor	alright, if tests pass and the issue is solved, I also cant wait for a release
2019-11-12 03:29:22	alanz	fendor, please rephrase what you just said
2019-11-12 03:31:21	alanz	do you want a release, or do you want us to wait for you to try it first?
2019-11-12 03:32:16	fendor	yeah that was really jumpy. No, I would like to look at it first and try it out
2019-11-12 03:33:08	fendor	no, jumpy is not the right word, indecisive fits better
2019-11-12 03:37:33	alanz	no problem, not your first language
2019-11-12 03:38:19	fendor	yeah and in my defence, my grammar is just as bad in my mother tongue
2019-11-12 03:39:23	 *	alanz grins
2019-11-12 03:58:42	jneira	mine is worse, I had not noticed anything :-P
2019-11-12 04:14:04	mpickering	what are the blocking issues once we are synced up with haskell-lsp?
2019-11-12 04:18:18	fendor	none blocking, i think
2019-11-12 04:18:39	fendor	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/34 last issue i am aware of?
2019-11-12 04:21:49	fendor	which is a minor
2019-11-12 04:22:49	mpickering	Should probably fix that though
2019-11-12 04:24:33	mpickering	I also want to check why certain notification events are handled in the ghc thread
2019-11-12 04:27:29	fendor	yeah, there is some polishing to be done
2019-11-12 04:27:33	fendor	but no blocking issues iirc
2019-11-12 04:30:53	mpickering	I want to record a video for my youtube channel describing what's changed after the merge, do you want to do it with me?
2019-11-12 04:35:51	fendor	not really keen on it and never did a youtube video before
2019-11-12 04:36:43	mpickering	ok :) I will just give you a lot of credit then
2019-11-12 04:41:50	fendor	thank you :) dont forget about all the others that helped!
2019-11-12 04:45:31	fendor	obviously including yourself ;)
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2019-11-12 05:05:56	realloc	hi, is there a binary distribution of HIE?
2019-11-12 05:06:34	fendor	realloc, no, at most all-hies for nix
2019-11-12 05:06:42	realloc	(compilation fails for me due to insufficient memory)
2019-11-12 05:06:58	fendor	realloc, all-hies uses nix, which can use binary caches
2019-11-12 05:07:08	fendor	https://github.com/Infinisil/all-hies
2019-11-12 05:07:56	realloc	fendor: that looks promising, Thank you!
2019-11-12 05:11:24	infinisil	:D
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2019-11-12 18:22:59	jneira_	i am changing hie-install: 1.- add `build-lastest`target to build with the lastest ghc available, 2.- set default `build` to `build-lastest` + `build-data` instead `build-all`
2019-11-12 18:24:04	jneira_	3.- Change `build-all`to `build-all-ghc-versions`, 4.- Print a warning about the time and resources taken if you choose `build-all-ghc-versions`
2019-11-12 18:25:34	jneira_	5.- Filter out ghc versions to use only the supported ones
2019-11-12 18:25:40	jneira_	i was thinking even to ask for user confirmation if `build-all-ghc-versions` is chosen 
2019-11-12 18:26:48	fendor	jneira_, great changes! Finally the sensible defaults!
2019-11-12 18:27:44	jneira_	maybe 3 and 4 are too cautious
2019-11-12 18:29:10	jneira_	or maybe we vould keep the `build-all`but print the warning :thinking:
2019-11-12 18:30:05	jneira_	i think i'll do that, to not break actual uses cases 
2019-11-12 18:55:00	fendor	yeah, the confirmation is a bit too much, imo, but a warning and longer name and not being the default is definitely the right way
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2019-11-13 01:15:27	mpickering	any luck today fendor with the branch?
2019-11-13 01:16:22	fendor	yeah, but I had to modify lspstio.hs and then it started crashing because I removed the executeCommandProvider :/
2019-11-13 01:18:13	fendor	i looked at the changes though and it looks good to me
2019-11-13 01:40:33	mpickering	thanks
2019-11-13 01:40:38	mpickering	I can't remember what is even in that patch now
2019-11-13 01:40:41	mpickering	I'm sure it's quality stuff
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2019-11-13 03:37:58	mpickering	Found another race whilst reading the code
2019-11-13 03:39:25	mpickering	The fact that STM is not exposed in the interface is really deeply problematic
2019-11-13 03:39:36	mpickering	The whole `IdeState` is stored in a `TVar`
2019-11-13 03:39:44	mpickering	but the interfaces are all in IO
2019-11-13 03:40:23	mpickering	`getModuleCache` and `modifyModuleCache` can so easily lead to a race
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2019-11-13 16:01:21	jneira_	hi fendor! has you the opprtunity of test `stack install.hs stack-install-cabal`?
2019-11-13 16:01:28	jneira_	*have
2019-11-13 16:01:53	jneira_	the issue about the uncatchable exception is worrying me
2019-11-13 16:02:15	fendor	jneira_, sure. Yeah, I agree, what is going on there?
2019-11-13 16:02:42	fendor	their path is set, but we they get an exception and it is not caught by IOException...
2019-11-13 16:02:46	jneira_	users are gaslighting us :-P
2019-11-13 16:03:05	fendor	haha, yeah, that must be it!
2019-11-13 16:03:05	jneira_	nor `SomeException`i think
2019-11-13 16:03:29	jneira_	i suggested them replacing IOException by someExcpetion
2019-11-13 16:03:36	jneira_	*SomeException
2019-11-13 16:04:03	jneira_	but i dont want bother them anymore :-/
2019-11-13 16:04:30	fendor	We dont know their OS, right? Once it was MacOs, but the other time?
2019-11-13 16:04:47	jneira_	linux, ubuntu i think
2019-11-13 16:05:09	jneira_	you have defined PATH in .bashrc?
2019-11-13 16:05:35	jneira_	i mentioned it too but they didint respond to that case
2019-11-13 16:06:08	fendor	I can try to unset the path for the invocation and see if it is the same error
2019-11-13 16:06:12	jneira_	but stack itself read and modify the PATH variable, why it is not accesible in the user code????
2019-11-13 16:06:37	jneira_	in windows lookupEnv return Nothing if the var is unset
2019-11-13 16:07:03	jneira_	but i can replace it with getEnv too
2019-11-13 16:07:10	fendor	I dont think the problem is the exception, something else is borked. The PATH variable ought to be set
2019-11-13 16:08:32	jneira_	i wonder if it is a security issue and the error is hiding it :thinking:
2019-11-13 16:09:02	fendor	one of them had weird messages regarding nix.
2019-11-13 16:09:20	jneira_	yep
2019-11-13 16:09:44	fendor	maybe they openend `nix-shell --pure`? would not explain why two people have this issue
2019-11-13 16:10:44	jneira_	it was not ubuntu but debian stretch
2019-11-13 16:12:29	fendor	different but same
2019-11-13 16:13:52	fendor	it has been such a long time since I last used the install.hs
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2019-11-13 16:23:13	mpickering	Why are we messing around with PATH in the first place?
2019-11-13 16:24:26	fendor	mpickering, we are checking if cabal is on the path
2019-11-13 16:24:31	mpickering	why?
2019-11-13 16:25:22	fendor	so we can update it if it isnt, and/or show warnings for old versions
2019-11-13 16:26:29	mpickering	Why do you need to update it? you don't need cabal do you?
2019-11-13 16:26:44	mpickering	and also checking if it exists at install time is not any guarantee it exists at runtime
2019-11-13 16:27:07	fendor	there is an additional check at run-time, the check at install-time is mainly for beginners
2019-11-13 16:27:30	jneira_	it is a convenience for beginners with stack that want to open hie in pure cabal projects
2019-11-13 16:27:37	mpickering	On hie-bios branch it's not even a runtime requirement 
2019-11-13 16:27:43	mpickering	only if you use the cabal cradle
2019-11-13 16:28:25	fendor	mpickering, yeah and if a user selects a cabal cradle or opens a cabal cradle, hie just crashes which isnt ideal
2019-11-13 16:28:35	jneira_	it turns out that master hie shows a warning about missing cabal although the actual project is stack based 
2019-11-13 16:28:56	fendor	jneira_, yeah, there is a check in lspstio
2019-11-13 16:28:58	jneira_	i think most of them want to install cabal cause they dont like the runtime wraning
2019-11-13 16:29:03	mpickering	Hmm it shouldn't crash should it? It should be IdeFailed?
2019-11-13 16:30:40	jneira_	yeah, ideally we should show an alert advising install cabal to handle correctly the project
2019-11-13 16:31:19	jneira_	(same for stack of course)
2019-11-13 16:31:19	fendor	mpickering, but nothing is working and e.g. the implicit c-h-h cradle discovery selects cradle based on project type. But if a user only has stack, it should prefer stack cradle etc...
2019-11-13 16:32:44	jneira_	fendor: i am not able to run `stack install.hs help` in a msys console if i unset the PATH var :-/
2019-11-13 16:32:45	mpickering	there is a check in the hie-bios implicit search to only select stack if stack is installed
2019-11-13 16:32:52	fendor	jneira_, same :/
2019-11-13 16:33:11	fendor	mpickering, not in c-h-h though 🐋 
2019-11-13 16:33:52	fendor	🐳
2019-11-13 16:33:56	fendor	so many whales to choose from
2019-11-13 16:34:21	jneira_	but the stack cradle would fail if there is no `stack.yaml`right? or hie-bios trigger a `stack init`?
2019-11-13 16:34:40	fendor	jneira_, something is completely off, they shouldnt even be able to run stack... maybe they have nix enabled in their stack.config?
2019-11-13 16:35:08	fendor	jneira_, if there is no stack.yaml the implicit config does not offer a stack project. 
2019-11-13 16:35:24	jneira_	pufff i am starting to consider other alternatives and remove the hack (i dont like it anyway)
2019-11-13 16:35:35	jneira_	ok
2019-11-13 16:36:21	fendor	but I actually dont know what happens if the explicit config speicifed a stack project and it is not a stack project
2019-11-13 16:38:22	fendor	I suppose an exception? However,I consider this part of the polishing process
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2019-11-13 16:59:06	fendor	jneira_, the removePathsContaining logic seems a bit fishy to me. 
2019-11-13 16:59:31	jneira_	absolutly it is
2019-11-13 16:59:45	jneira_	but stack devs didnt give me an alternative :-(
2019-11-13 17:00:13	fendor	splitPaths seems to be wrong though
2019-11-13 17:00:20	jneira_	i would have to make the patch myself and i dont know stack in deep
2019-11-13 17:00:33	jneira_	splitPaths?
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2019-11-13 17:01:05	jneira_	oh i see it
2019-11-13 17:01:05	fendor_	jneira_, https://gist.github.com/fendor/2bac061b5faa282b9c267da38106ed55
2019-11-13 17:01:39	fendor	you see, for me it gets split into two paths onl
2019-11-13 17:01:41	fendor	you see, for me it gets split into two paths only
2019-11-13 17:02:04	jneira_	wow
2019-11-13 17:02:57	fendor	so, maybe, with some bad luck, both paths got actually removed
2019-11-13 17:11:14	fendor	it doesnt explain why we cant catch the exception, though
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2019-11-13 18:02:26	jneira_	fendor: what is the definition of splithPaths you used in the example? 
2019-11-13 18:02:34	jneira_	oops
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2019-11-13 18:42:05	lukelau	For the direct cradle is there a way to specify which ghc to use?
2019-11-13 18:42:10	lukelau	cc mpickering fendor
2019-11-13 18:42:35	lukelau	I have ghc-8.6.5 and ghc-8.8 locally but ghc is symlinked to ghc-8.8
2019-11-13 18:43:05	lukelau	hie on hie-bios fails because it passes the -package-id ghc-8.6.5 flag 
2019-11-13 18:43:27	lukelau	but presumably its calling just ghc which is ghc-8.8
2019-11-13 18:43:36	lukelau	relinking ghc to ghc-8.6.5 works
2019-11-13 18:44:27	mpickering	lukelau: You have to have the right version of ghc as "ghc" on your path
2019-11-13 18:44:52	mpickering	there are plans to improve this but I don't know what the right API is for now
2019-11-13 18:45:21	lukelau	what about a `compiler` option alongside arguments inside hie.yaml?
2019-11-13 18:45:46	lukelau	It’s not a crazy pressing need, seeing as most projects will be using cabal anyway
2019-11-13 18:46:06	lukelau	But it was causing issues with the lsp-test test suite since it’s just plain old standalone files
2019-11-13 18:52:35	mpickering	nix uses just execute the IDE in the right nix shell to make sure the correct GHC version is there
2019-11-13 18:53:01	mpickering	and really the compiler version is fixed already for each hie
2019-11-13 18:53:04	mpickering	as each one only works for one version
2019-11-13 19:00:48	lukelau	That’s the problem though, if you compile hie for another version other than the currently symlinked ghc version then the direct cradle will choose the wrong one
2019-11-13 19:01:53	lukelau	Is this more of the responsibility of hie though?
2019-11-13 19:02:00	lukelau	hie-bios just spits back ghc arguments right
2019-11-13 19:08:22	mpickering	yeah the call to ghc is just `ghc`
2019-11-13 19:08:29	mpickering	no version number or anything
2019-11-13 19:08:38	mpickering	so you need the version of ghc which was used to compile hie to be on your path
2019-11-13 19:09:04	mpickering	If you can think of a good design which works for all the cradles then please write it down 
2019-11-13 19:09:07	mpickering	I would like to improve this
2019-11-13 19:25:22	dxld	lukelau: In cabal-helper I have support for doing that, if you set ghcProgram and related settings that will get passed through to the build tool
2019-11-13 19:25:37	dxld	the implementation for stack is a hack atm but it should work
2019-11-13 19:26:18	dxld	the idea is to eventually use that to pass the hie executable to cabal/stack instead of real ghc so we can directly hook into the compilation the build tool performs
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2019-11-14 01:59:48	jneira	fendor_! you was right, `splitPath`has one of the silliest error i've ever made :-(
2019-11-14 02:00:15	fendor_	jneira, it's fine, we all do mistakes all the time :)
2019-11-14 02:00:30	jneira	i copied `words` from Data.List and forgot to replace one of the refs of `words`
2019-11-14 02:01:09	jneira	but it turns out that `words` work with `;` but no with `:`
2019-11-14 02:01:20	jneira	so it works in windows but no in nix
2019-11-14 02:02:09	jneira	damn windows path seps, damn Data.List without splitOn, damn copy paste and damn brain :-D
2019-11-14 02:04:11	jneira	and maybe it is the cause of the issue with PATH, i think the bug is causing the exception in other point after my `lookupEnv` 
2019-11-14 02:04:32	fendor_	yeah, it might be
2019-11-14 02:27:11	jneira	i am having other error as vscode alert with the hie-bios branch: `gcc.exe' failed in phase `C pre-processor'. (Exit code: 1)`
2019-11-14 02:29:51	jneira	opening haskell-ide-engine/install (it works fine with master)
2019-11-14 02:37:58	fendor_	weird, probably cpp related. can you open an issue=
2019-11-14 02:37:59	fendor_	?
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2019-11-14 03:10:21	jneira	yeah, in mpickering repo?
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2019-11-14 04:33:21	mpickering	jneira: Is this on initialisation?
2019-11-14 04:41:17	jneira	yeah
2019-11-14 04:42:07	mpickering	yeah we need to catch an extra exception there
2019-11-14 04:42:29	mpickering	patch welcome if you like :)
2019-11-14 04:44:28	jneira	sure, i'll try to do it
2019-11-14 04:46:39	jneira	i'll fill an issue to start with 
2019-11-14 04:46:50	alanz	mpickering, to your knowledge, what still has to happen to the hie-bios branch before it can land?
2019-11-14 04:47:05	alanz	We are waiting for fendor to check or complete a few things?
2019-11-14 04:47:17	mpickering	I am waiting for a Haskell LSP release
2019-11-14 04:47:32	mpickering	So I can rebase my pr and get that merged
2019-11-14 04:47:43	mpickering	Then need to fix this issue jneira  is talking about
2019-11-14 04:48:00	mpickering	Basically just not catching exceptions during initialisation
2019-11-14 04:48:40	mpickering	Look in `runActionWithContext` jneira btw. The error happens when a new cradle is initialised
2019-11-14 04:49:14	mpickering	Then I need to tidy up hie-bios a little and release a new version so we can remove the submodule
2019-11-14 04:49:33	mpickering	Then probably ok for merge? 
2019-11-14 04:49:50	mpickering	I also wanted to sort out the thread stuff I posted an issue about
2019-11-14 04:49:56	alanz	Ok. And I think the haskell-lsp release is waiting for fendor to get happy with stability of your race condition fixes
2019-11-14 04:50:00	mpickering	But that's not critical
2019-11-14 04:50:51	alanz	And I must get the HaRe tests passing to my satisfaction, I am going to strip then down to not look for the module graph initially, then we can come back to that
2019-11-14 04:51:07	alanz	Because I want hie-bios to land, then GHC 8.8.1 support, then that
2019-11-14 04:51:47	alanz	And once the dust settles from all of that we can look at ghcide/hie integration
2019-11-14 04:52:26	mpickering	Ok
2019-11-14 04:52:28	alanz	Hopefully we can get haskell-lsp out tomorrow
2019-11-14 04:52:40	mpickering	I suspect the issue is to do with using hi files
2019-11-14 04:53:05	alanz	which issue? the one jneira is chasing?
2019-11-14 04:53:22	mpickering	No, the one I am imagining you're having with hi files
2019-11-14 04:53:34	mpickering	Module graph sorry
2019-11-14 04:54:53	alanz	ok. I have not looked too closely yet, because I want to let c-h-h etc land first
2019-11-14 04:55:19	alanz	But I think it is because we focus on a file, and derive its context, rather than working out context for a whole project first
2019-11-14 04:55:58	alanz	But getting a component/unit level module graph is an expensive operation, we should only do it when needed
2019-11-14 04:56:17	alanz	Which is only for particular refactorings
2019-11-14 04:56:25	mpickering	Ok
2019-11-14 04:56:37	mpickering	I think ghcide will change all this again anyway
2019-11-14 04:56:46	mpickering	And will potentially work much better
2019-11-14 04:56:59	alanz	I agree.  I am looking forward to engaging with them on that again.
2019-11-14 04:57:09	mpickering	GHC API creaks under the strain of multiple components
2019-11-14 04:57:39	alanz	I am setting up a discussion with ndm about the next steps as he sees them in the next few weeks
2019-11-14 04:57:41	mpickering	There are lots of things h-i-e does better already so hopefully we get best of both
2019-11-14 04:57:59	alanz	I agree, the complement each other
2019-11-14 04:58:20	alanz	And this stuff is so complex it makes sense to combine efforts
2019-11-14 04:58:40	mpickering	I don't know if fendor wants to try to integrate it or if he wants me to try it at some point
2019-11-14 04:58:53	mpickering	I probably don't have a clear window until christmas
2019-11-14 04:58:53	alanz	the ghcide stuff?
2019-11-14 04:58:59	mpickering	Yeah
2019-11-14 04:59:24	alanz	You guys should decide between you on the best split. You know the details the most right now
2019-11-14 04:59:32	mpickering	If he wants to try it then I can provide guidance but I probably have most up to date experience with all the internals now
2019-11-14 04:59:35	alanz	And get cocreature involved, if possible
2019-11-14 04:59:59	alanz	cocreature, where are you based?
2019-11-14 05:00:08	alanz	physically
2019-11-14 05:00:36	 *	alanz likes seeing a lot of green here: https://travis-ci.org/alanz/ghc-exactprint/builds/611614703
2019-11-14 05:00:54	 *	alanz especially as it works with master too
2019-11-14 05:01:23	mpickering	He lives in Zurich
2019-11-14 05:02:23	alanz	ok, so not likely to be able to face-to-face in the near future
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2019-11-14 05:44:57	jneira	> Look in `runActionWithContext`: ok 
2019-11-14 07:42:27	 *	infinisil goes to ETH in Zurich
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2019-11-14 12:52:11	arrowsvc	https://stackoverflow.com/q/58849093/637669
2019-11-14 12:57:21	cocreature	alanz: yeah, mpickering is right. I’m in Zurich
2019-11-14 13:25:16	jneira_	it would be great to create the tag `haskell-ide-engine` in so, someone in the room with 1500 reputation?
2019-11-14 13:26:53	arrowsvc	jneira_: Done. I can also add some description if you provide it.
2019-11-14 13:27:55	jneira_	wow, great! the used in the github project could be fine: `The engine for haskell ide-integration. Not an IDE`
2019-11-14 13:28:32	jneira_	(and a url to the github project would be great too)
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2019-11-14 13:31:15	arrowsvc	Will do a bit later, thanks.
2019-11-14 13:36:38	jneira_	:+1:
2019-11-14 13:36:54	jneira_	i've commented the question 
2019-11-14 14:20:12	jneira_	hi fendor, i am trying to reproduce the bug about the error getting the PATH var with no luck: i've tried to set manually `setEnv "PATH" ""` but i dont get an exception but ill behaviour
2019-11-14 14:21:22	jneira_	afaiu the bug in splitPaths may have that consequence (`setEnv "PATH" ""`)
2019-11-14 14:21:25	fendor	jneira_, arent you on windows?
2019-11-14 14:21:30	jneira_	yeah
2019-11-14 14:21:42	fendor	the exception is thrown on posix systems, right?
2019-11-14 14:22:28	jneira_	but in windows splitPAths worked fine (accidentally)
2019-11-14 14:22:50	jneira_	i've not detected the bug for that reason :-(
2019-11-14 14:23:18	fendor	yeah, so, the bug is non-windows specific 
2019-11-14 14:23:27	fendor	you might have hard time reproducing it
2019-11-14 14:24:12	jneira_	aha, but still i want to check that fixinx splitPaths would fix the other one and i am not sure
2019-11-14 14:24:36	jneira_	i can prepare a reproduction in ci
2019-11-14 14:25:01	fendor	ok. I agree, it is weird that the empty path isnt correctly caught.
2019-11-14 14:25:32	jneira_	sometimes i really miss java like stacktraces by default in ghc :-/
2019-11-14 14:26:53	fendor	jneira_, agreed, me too.
2019-11-14 14:27:14	fendor	we could actually try running it with `cabal v2-run --enable-profiling ... -- +RTS -xc`
2019-11-14 14:27:18	jneira_	i am about to finish the improvements and fixes over the build system... i'll investigate https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/47 after that
2019-11-14 14:27:52	fendor	jneira_, fixing #47 should be really just finding out which exception is thrown exactly and adding a catch block for it.
2019-11-14 14:29:55	jneira_	yeah mpickering mentioned that, and that catch logic would be only log the error?
2019-11-14 14:30:23	jneira_	to avoid raise the error up to the editor?
2019-11-14 14:32:26	fendor	jneira_, the exception is thrown in the ghc thread which per se can not display errors to the user. We have a way to bubble diagnostics to the lsp thread via `IdeResult`'s
2019-11-14 14:35:11	fendor	this works fine... https://hastebin.com/pejokonoto.coffeescript 
2019-11-14 14:35:21	fendor	no clue why the exception is still thrown
2019-11-14 14:35:33	fendor	do you have a reprocible setup?
2019-11-14 14:40:46	fendor	jneira_, whoa, when I unset PATH and do the following: https://hastebin.com/baciviqefe.css
2019-11-14 14:40:56	fendor	actually what happens is what you expected that should happen 0.o
2019-11-14 14:43:38	jneira_	jumm but the splitPAths bug cant unset the PATH env var, only set to the empty string 
2019-11-14 14:43:56	jneira_	or some weird string that triggers the error?
2019-11-14 14:44:29	jneira_	yeah lookupEnv is useless in posix (imho)
2019-11-14 14:45:00	fendor	jneira_, no, it actually does what you would expect. When I unset PATH, and I use lookupEnv "PATH", I get Nothing
2019-11-14 14:45:09	fendor	at least for me
2019-11-14 14:45:32	mpickering	Setting an env var to "" is the same as it being unset
2019-11-14 14:46:39	jneira_	oh then the docs for lookupEnv are a little bit misleading, it says "lookupEnv is equivalent to getEnv in posix systems" :-/
2019-11-14 14:46:47	fendor	yeah. I am confused
2019-11-14 14:47:25	jneira_	mpickering: i hope it so the bug would be fixed
2019-11-14 14:48:17	jneira_	my hypotesis is: `splitPath`sets the PATH to "" and the code executed after that throws the exception cause uses `getEnv`
2019-11-14 14:48:58	fendor	jneira_, but we are catching it with `catch`, it should not be thrown, rightß
2019-11-14 14:49:20	jneira_	the catch is before call splitPAth, to retrieve the original one
2019-11-14 14:49:55	fendor	ok, then it would make sense
2019-11-14 14:50:56	jneira_	but thanks for the tests.. i'll remove the catch over `lookupEnv`
2019-11-14 14:56:02	fendor	still not sure what throws the exception. Maybe findExecutable?
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2019-11-14 15:15:34	mpickering	findExecutable plausible looks at PATH
2019-11-14 15:17:57	fendor	mpickering, yeah and throws an exception if it is not set
2019-11-14 15:18:01	fendor	so, could b
2019-11-14 16:09:42	jneira_	i've reproduced the error in a linux system in azure ci :-D
2019-11-14 16:15:02	fendor	sweet
2019-11-14 16:33:24	jneira_	https://dev.azure.com/jneira/haskell-ide-engine/_build/results?buildId=281
2019-11-14 16:47:26	fendor	fun-fact, the stack trace is longer than my terminal scrollback
2019-11-14 17:02:14	jneira_	:-O
2019-11-14 17:02:30	jneira_	a java dev would be at home there 
2019-11-14 17:02:48	fendor	totally
2019-11-14 17:03:23	jneira_	there is the `-g` option to enable dwarf stack traces
2019-11-14 17:04:13	jneira_	https://simonmar.github.io/posts/2016-02-12-Stack-traces-in-GHCi.html
2019-11-14 17:05:10	jneira_	they lose info due to tco and lazy eval but maybe it could have the right one int this case
2019-11-14 17:05:42	jneira_	and you dont have to compile with profiling!
2019-11-14 17:06:21	jneira_	(but it has not line numbers if i recall it correctly)
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2019-11-14 17:09:31	fendor	jneira_, no line numbers may be a problem :D 
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2019-11-14 18:06:46	fendor	alanz, haskell-lsp changes are looking good to me
2019-11-14 18:16:31	fendor	mpickering, finally managed to build wip/friday-fixes 
2019-11-14 18:16:51	mpickering	that's a positive
2019-11-14 18:19:28	fendor	mpickering, my problem was this commit: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/commit/6f6d380a523320fad1aa82ec879faecf257ca9bf
2019-11-14 18:19:47	fendor	once I resolved that correctly, and hare, everything works fine
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2019-11-14 20:10:36	fendor	so, what are blocking issues for hie-bios?
2019-11-14 20:13:39	fendor	imo,   after the next haskell-lsp release, #44 needs to be rebased and merged. #43 needs a review apparently. Issue #36 seems to be solved, a triple hooray to mpickering! Issues #34 and #47 are minor but ought to be fixed before merge.
2019-11-14 20:14:40	fendor	then some polishing. The messages that there was no access to the persisted file is not worth a user message, since it is perfectly fine behaviour. Will fix that
2019-11-14 20:14:50	fendor	should I write this down in some issue?
2019-11-14 20:28:16	fendor	and obviously, the missing tests must be fixed
2019-11-14 20:28:34	fendor	maybe a final bump of hie-bios? Or wait for the next release of hie-bios?
2019-11-14 20:29:26	fendor	also, an important step to get to hackage is to extract ghc-project-types from the old ghc-mod, probably as a sub-package?
2019-11-14 20:41:45	mpickering	fendor: If you can make a tracking issue for this it will help us make progress
2019-11-14 20:41:51	mpickering	as we have just all been asking each other what needs to be done
2019-11-14 20:41:59	mpickering	I intend to release a new version of hie-bios from the current master
2019-11-14 20:42:07	mpickering	which is why I did that cleanup today
2019-11-14 20:42:07	fendor	mpickering, agreed, I will create a tracking issue
2019-11-14 20:42:11	fendor	I know
2019-11-14 20:42:34	fendor	in mpickering/hie oder haskell/hie for more publicity?
2019-11-14 20:42:39	fendor	*or
2019-11-14 20:42:46	fendor	sorry, concurrently writing user-stories in german
2019-11-14 20:43:03	mpickering	probably mpickering repo
2019-11-14 20:45:12	fendor	ok
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2019-11-14 21:16:49	mpickering	#36 seems fine to just merge
2019-11-14 21:16:54	mpickering	so I did
2019-11-14 21:17:49	fendor	I would have liked to at least ignore object files that get spawned
2019-11-14 21:18:09	fendor	*generated
2019-11-14 21:19:17	fendor	but you are right, I assume
2019-11-14 21:19:17	fendor	you are definitely right, thank you
2019-11-14 21:19:54	mpickering	why do you get object files using the direct cradle?
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2019-11-14 21:28:10	fendor	dunno, expiplus says they get generated
2019-11-14 21:28:17	fendor	and interface files
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2019-11-14 21:35:30	mpickering	I can't think how that would work
2019-11-14 21:35:36	mpickering	but anyway if we see it we'll fix it
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2019-11-14 23:10:03	lukelau	dxld: stack shouldn’t be required for c-h right?
2019-11-14 23:10:50	lukelau	the projPaths query seems to be getting run when running then `projectPackages` query, which is throwing an exception since i dont have the stack executable on my system
2019-11-14 23:11:23	lukelau	but unlike `listPackageCabalFiles` it doesn’t catch the exception
2019-11-14 23:15:51	fendor	lukelau, you are using c-h 1.0 right? 
2019-11-14 23:15:57	lukelau	yeah
2019-11-14 23:16:12	lukelau	with a hie.yaml set to the “direct” cradle
2019-11-14 23:16:42	lukelau	my folder layout is like this:
2019-11-14 23:16:46	lukelau	root:
2019-11-14 23:16:55	 *	lukelau - foo.cabal
2019-11-14 23:17:01	lukelau	  - stack.yaml
2019-11-14 23:17:20	lukelau	  - tests: [ hie.yaml, bar.hs]
2019-11-14 23:18:00	lukelau	running hie with hie-bios in the tests directory picks up the stack cradle from root
2019-11-14 23:18:50	lukelau	but i want it to just run the naked system ghc. renaming stack.yaml to something else then causes the cabal cradle to be picked up
2019-11-14 23:19:36	fendor	if you have a hie.yaml, c-h is not used at all
2019-11-14 23:20:12	fendor	oh, I see. the hie.yaml is only for the tests
2019-11-14 23:20:13	fendor	?
2019-11-14 23:21:04	lukelau	yeah, but I’m wondering why c-h is getting called
2019-11-14 23:21:11	lukelau	since i have a hie.yaml?
2019-11-14 23:21:22	lukelau	and it definitely gets read since i was getting parse errors
2019-11-14 23:22:31	fendor	yeah, this should not call c-h at all... So, just a project with these four files? 
2019-11-14 23:23:51	lukelau	its actually just the lsp-test test directory
2019-11-14 23:24:32	lukelau	but i just realised something, hie *is* actually getting run from root, but its rootworkspace directory set via lsp is set to tests
2019-11-14 23:24:53	fendor	yeah, so it seems it is picking up the hie.yaml
2019-11-14 23:25:10	fendor	what is hie.yaml?
2019-11-14 23:25:12	lukelau	I’m not actually sure if it is getting picked up anymore
2019-11-14 23:25:14	fendor	*your
2019-11-14 23:25:40	lukelau	$ cat test/data/hie.yaml 
2019-11-14 23:25:41	lukelau	cradle:
2019-11-14 23:25:42	lukelau	  direct:
2019-11-14 23:25:43	lukelau	    # arguments: []
2019-11-14 23:25:57	lukelau	i take back the previous statement, i dont think it is being picked up
2019-11-14 23:26:31	lukelau	I’m running hie via lsp-test so that would explain why it worked inside my editor and not in the test suite
2019-11-14 23:26:46	fendor	mhm, yeah, that could make sense. 
2019-11-14 23:27:28	lukelau	I’m just noticing that the cradle is picked up in MainHie.hs — could this be deferred until the server receives the initialize request inside LspStdio.hs?
2019-11-14 23:27:58	lukelau	Because I think using the current directory to detect the cradle is not accurate
2019-11-14 23:28:19	lukelau	LSP clients can set the root workspace to an arbitrary directory
2019-11-14 23:28:24	fendor	yes and no, the hieWrapper needs to know the project type to find the appropriate ghc version to launch the correct hie version
2019-11-14 23:28:43	fendor	root directory of cradles is the location of the hie.yaml. iirc
2019-11-14 23:30:16	fendor	not entirely sure though
2019-11-14 23:30:56	fendor	however, independent of the hieWrapper, each hie version will try to find the project root on the initialize request
2019-11-14 23:31:06	lukelau	yeah, its not possible for hie-wrapper
2019-11-14 23:31:15	fendor	findLocalCradle in LspStdio is the responsible call
2019-11-14 23:31:19	lukelau	but at the very least for just testing hie directly, we should fix this in hie
2019-11-14 23:31:56	fendor	if you are calling hie directly, it defers cradle detection until initialize request
2019-11-14 23:38:55	mpickering	lukelau: I don't think h-i-e currently deals properly if the lsp-client declares a different root?
2019-11-14 23:39:01	mpickering	I don't remember seeing any code to do with that
2019-11-14 23:39:39	mpickering	fendor: Thanks for the issues, I want to go through the issue and assign someone to each of the points 
2019-11-14 23:40:04	lukelau	mpickering: not everywhere evidently, but at least inside ideghcm: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/9261086ce9528cce42314fa5b233da69d079c27a/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/PluginsIdeMonads.hs#L403-L408
2019-11-14 23:40:19	lukelau	otherwise the lsp-test tests wouldn’t have worked
2019-11-14 23:40:24	mpickering	I see
2019-11-14 23:41:21	mpickering	yeah there are number of calls to getCurrentDirectory
2019-11-14 23:41:57	mpickering	when does the project root get set? is that even before NotInitialized?
2019-11-14 23:42:26	lukelau	in the initialize request
2019-11-14 23:42:40	lukelau	just patched it there for the ghc version check inside lspstdio, seems to be working now
2019-11-14 23:44:16	mpickering	ok great
2019-11-14 23:44:24	mpickering	any call to `getCurrentDirectory` is probably wrong?
2019-11-14 23:44:29	lukelau	will make a PR. the other logic for finding the cradle inside modulecache seems to be ok, presumably that just uses the filepath
2019-11-14 23:44:41	mpickering	yeah
2019-11-14 23:44:49	lukelau	mpickering: yeah, unless its as a fallback whenever the root path isnt set
2019-11-14 23:45:29	mpickering	There is another call in `hie-plugin-api` `Cradle.hs`
2019-11-14 23:45:48	mpickering	but that is setting the `CradleNone` so it shouldn't matter
2019-11-14 23:46:21	lukelau	`Cabal-Helper-None` is cradlenone?
2019-11-14 23:48:10	mpickering	Yeah
2019-11-14 23:48:22	mpickering	Are you seeing that somewhere?
2019-11-14 23:48:59	lukelau	yup, sorry just took me a while to grok what that bit was doing
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2019-11-14 23:52:21	mpickering	that means "don't even try to load this"
2019-11-14 23:52:47	mpickering	So if c-h fails to find a project implicitly and there is no explicit config then it just won't do anything
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2019-11-15 00:08:17	lukelau	controversial idea: if hie already knows what version it was built for at compile time, can we swap out all the readCreateProcesses to “ghc” with “ghc-version”?
2019-11-15 00:21:14	fendor	mpickering, great idea, I will modify the issue accordingly
2019-11-15 00:21:39	fendor	lukelau, Are there even `readCreateProcess "ghc"` calls left? 0.o there porbbaly shouldnt be
2019-11-15 00:30:55	alanz	lukelau, I am going to prepare a new haskell-lsp release, will you be able to to the matching lsp-test for it?
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2019-11-15 03:27:35	mpickering	thanks fendor 
2019-11-15 03:28:14	mpickering	I think I need to get rid of `readSystemLibDir` as well and use `ghc-paths`
2019-11-15 03:32:40	fendor	mpickering, yeah that sounds reasonable :D I like that it literally has four functions
2019-11-15 03:33:39	mpickering	One suggestion on your hie-bios PR
2019-11-15 03:33:42	mpickering	which I can't apply
2019-11-15 03:34:54	fendor	yeah?
2019-11-15 03:38:05	mpickering	I commented it
2019-11-15 03:38:34	fendor	you mean the US version of initialise? :D 
2019-11-15 03:38:55	mpickering	No there's a typo
2019-11-15 03:39:01	fendor	oh, yeah fixed that
2019-11-15 03:39:29	fendor	however, I think that I did a mistake with US spelling
2019-11-15 03:39:40	fendor	most documentation is gb spelling
2019-11-15 03:40:26	fendor	or there are at least two other occurrences of the gb spelling of initialise
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2019-11-15 04:01:50	mpickering	hehe it doesn't matter
2019-11-15 04:01:52	mpickering	I merged it
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2019-11-15 06:04:09	lukelau	alanz: sure
2019-11-15 06:04:35	lukelau	fendor: there’s quite a few :(
2019-11-15 06:05:50	lukelau	theres a call in the wrapper as well as in getSystemLibDir and getCabalWrapperTool
2019-11-15 06:06:39	lukelau	also, if stack isn’t installed on the system should the inferred cradle skip the stack option?
2019-11-15 06:06:49	lukelau	I.e. in the case where there is a stack.yaml, but no stack executable
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2019-11-15 07:23:52	lukelau	dxld: https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/pull/84
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2019-11-15 08:04:02	dxld	lukelau: cool, thanks
2019-11-15 08:04:09	dxld	did you get that stack thing above sorted out?
2019-11-15 08:04:29	dxld	thoug it does sound like c-h shouldn't be failing just because the stack exe doesn't exist
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2019-11-15 20:45:05	mpickering	fendor: I worked a little this morning on hie-bios again to rejig things so that the output from wrapper writes the arguments to a temp file rather than to stdout
2019-11-15 20:45:15	mpickering	so you can also log the stdout of cabal etc to the output pane
2019-11-15 20:45:26	fendor	oh that is great
2019-11-15 20:45:55	mpickering	Do you think it's sensible to just pipe the stdout into `logm` for example? or should the stdout be displayed in the progress indicator?
2019-11-15 20:46:18	fendor	if possible, it should b in the progress indicator and in logm
2019-11-15 20:46:50	mpickering	You can't really do anything with it other than just display what is displayed on stdout 
2019-11-15 20:46:54	fendor	It is important to show the user that we are actually doing something when we are compiling dependencies
2019-11-15 20:46:56	mpickering	so I was wondering how useful the progress indicator would be
2019-11-15 20:47:14	mpickering	but it's probably not a big amount of effort to abstract over that as well
2019-11-15 20:47:28	mpickering	in fact, it isn't but I will need to rejig the interface a little
2019-11-15 20:49:42	fendor	by abstracting over it, would the progress indicator be more useful
2019-11-15 21:02:50	mpickering	I meant I would have to add a function argument to the cradle loading interface 
2019-11-15 21:03:02	mpickering	which would be invoked to send progress updates
2019-11-15 21:15:59	fendor	yeah, a hook, like in loadFileWithMessage?
2019-11-15 21:26:05	mpickering	yeah exactly
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2019-11-16 01:57:55	mpickering	my hie-bios changes are done
2019-11-16 01:59:11	mpickering	needs testing on windows
2019-11-16 02:07:22	mpickering	We really need some tests for hie-bios
2019-11-16 02:07:29	mpickering	It's just so annoying to set up the environments
2019-11-16 02:08:26	fendor	it kind of gets implicitly tested by hie
2019-11-16 02:09:33	fendor	but I can give it a try to write some more tests tomorrow
2019-11-16 02:11:12	mpickering	I think we should focus on the list
2019-11-16 02:11:28	mpickering	admittedly, this task wasn't on the list?
2019-11-16 02:11:32	mpickering	but still a good thing to implement
2019-11-16 02:11:51	mpickering	cabal-helper probably needs to get patched to report progress as well?
2019-11-16 02:12:55	fendor	cabal-helper at least shows progress on the stdout
2019-11-16 02:13:08	fendor	which is good enough for me and an enhancement for after merge
2019-11-16 02:13:29	fendor	adding tests might be worth adding to the list
2019-11-16 02:13:31	mpickering	yeah ok
2019-11-16 02:13:48	mpickering	I never came up with a good answer about how to set up the right environment for each test
2019-11-16 02:13:54	mpickering	for example, an environment where there's only stack
2019-11-16 02:14:05	mpickering	and a specific stack version at that
2019-11-16 02:14:35	fendor	would require different containers. should be doable. But we can start with at least cabal tests.
2019-11-16 02:15:28	mpickering	good thinking
2019-11-16 02:15:50	jneira	mpickering: i could do some testing on windows,branch?
2019-11-16 02:15:50	mpickering	always have to remind ourselves to make a little bit of progress rather than trying to solve the big problem all at once
2019-11-16 02:15:58	mpickering	jneira: PR to hie-bios
2019-11-16 02:16:08	mpickering	no need to install one of my broken h-i-e branches for this one
2019-11-16 02:16:19	jneira	ok
2019-11-16 02:16:20	fendor	jneira, https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/90
2019-11-16 02:16:47	jneira	:+1:
2019-11-16 02:17:33	fendor	yeah, I would start with adding simple tests that verify the compiler outputs for cabal only. This can give us a baseline. Then we can gradually add more environments
2019-11-16 02:18:14	mpickering	So let's think
2019-11-16 02:18:29	mpickering	there are really only 3 different environments we support at the moment?
2019-11-16 02:18:35	mpickering	stack, cabal and bios?
2019-11-16 02:18:49	fendor	and direct, right?
2019-11-16 02:18:58	mpickering	yeah, and none I suppose
2019-11-16 02:19:08	fendor	right, so five environments
2019-11-16 02:19:15	mpickering	what does the test do? It should also test the loading logic?
2019-11-16 02:20:56	fendor	first, the compiler options are the most important part. the loading logic could check the typechecked module output?
2019-11-16 02:25:08	mpickering	you could at least check the load works but the subtle parts are to do with reloading
2019-11-16 02:25:21	mpickering	I really want to use nix to do this but it's not going to work on windows
2019-11-16 02:25:28	mpickering	which is one of the major annoyances of testing
2019-11-16 02:25:50	mpickering	So we should just set up the environment with `cabal` and `stack` installed for now?
2019-11-16 02:25:59	fendor	yeah. I would say so. 
2019-11-16 02:26:48	mpickering	we can't test for equality of compiler options
2019-11-16 02:27:17	fendor	no, I think we have to add custom tests for each build-tool
2019-11-16 02:27:18	mpickering	they will change when ghc updates or a new library or cabal changes
2019-11-16 02:27:32	fendor	yeah, but like, fuzzy tests should be fine, right?
2019-11-16 02:27:48	fendor	there must be at least a '-package'. And exposed modules
2019-11-16 02:27:51	mpickering	my idea of a fuzzy test is using the options to load the project
2019-11-16 02:28:18	mpickering	I went over that code again yesterday and it's not that complicated so I am happy with it now
2019-11-16 02:28:42	fendor	no, the initEnvironment is almost straight forward.
2019-11-16 02:29:46	fendor	pardon, initSession
2019-11-16 02:31:06	fendor	what do you do when you load the session? Check the module graph?
2019-11-16 02:31:10	mpickering	btw I am basically blocked working on h-i-e until there is a haskell-lsp release so I am just doing the hie-bios stuff
2019-11-16 02:31:14	mpickering	you just check there are no errors
2019-11-16 02:31:25	mpickering	or check the list of loaded modules
2019-11-16 02:32:12	fendor	we should also check the behaviour of errors. E.g. unknown language extension, th, build error in dependencies, etc...
2019-11-16 02:32:15	fendor	so much to test!
2019-11-16 02:34:37	mpickering	ok I have some more gin now
2019-11-16 02:34:40	mpickering	so I will try and implement this
2019-11-16 02:34:59	mpickering	did you see my comments the other day about `getModuleCache` and `setModuleCache`?
2019-11-16 02:35:45	fendor	also, maybe not in this release, shouldnt we catch all exceptions in initializeFlagsWithCradle and return the appropriate CradleLoadResult?
2019-11-16 02:36:09	fendor	iirc, you said that these are impossible to use correctly cause they are not threadsafe? or was that something different?
2019-11-16 02:36:36	mpickering	yes, well if you use them both together they are impossible to use safely
2019-11-16 02:36:51	mpickering	so I changed `setModuleCache` to `modifyModuleCache`
2019-11-16 02:36:59	mpickering	but there is still the potential issue
2019-11-16 02:37:32	mpickering	the way to properly fix it would be to change the type to `getModuleCache :: IdeMT STM ModuleCache`
2019-11-16 02:37:42	mpickering	rather than having them in IO
2019-11-16 02:38:19	mpickering	but I didn't do this because I looked at all the uses of `modifyModuleCache` and they were safe
2019-11-16 02:38:40	mpickering	I think we could catch all the exceptions but I am just not sure which ones can get thrown so I have been cautious about that
2019-11-16 02:39:00	fendor	now we know some from hie
2019-11-16 02:40:00	fendor	I agree with your overall comment, that  STM shouldnt be so well hid. 
2019-11-16 02:40:52	mpickering	we might end up replacing all this code again within 6 months anyway
2019-11-16 02:41:02	mpickering	ok I am implementing some tests now
2019-11-16 02:41:58	fendor	probably even! Great, I added it to TODO list in hie-bios release issue
2019-11-16 02:43:04	fendor	tomorrow I can add some more tests and make sure to drop ghc 8.2.2 support in hie
2019-11-16 03:20:35	mpickering	Hmm why does canonicalizePath strip off the trailing `/` from a directory
2019-11-16 03:31:38	mpickering	Does stack mess around with the environment?
2019-11-16 03:32:39	mpickering	ergh stack is so broken on nixos - https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/issues/4487
2019-11-16 03:41:04	fendor	yeah, agreed
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2019-11-16 15:27:06	jneira	I just have one hour to make some progress
2019-11-16 15:27:49	jneira	i dont have much timeat weekends '=D 
2019-11-16 15:47:54	mpickering	thanks jneira very useful
2019-11-16 15:48:00	mpickering	Is that path to the package db correct?
2019-11-16 15:49:38	mpickering	On the line of `stackAction` `split_pkgs = splitSearchPath ..` can you try removing the call to `init`?
2019-11-16 15:50:29	jneira	the path is the correct one
2019-11-16 15:50:40	jneira	yeah!
2019-11-16 15:52:14	mpickering	I think it's the second call which is the broken one
2019-11-16 15:52:30	mpickering	The one which queries for `ghc-package-path`
2019-11-16 15:55:13	mpickering	ah I suspect the problem is that `unlines` on windows inserts windows newlines?
2019-11-16 15:55:21	jneira	aha, removing init doent fix it, i am running directly the test suite using `wip/tests`
2019-11-16 15:55:34	mpickering	if you insert two inits then does it work :) ?
2019-11-16 15:55:45	jneira	he
2019-11-16 15:56:06	jneira	yeah i guess unlines will use \r\n
2019-11-16 15:56:23	jneira	damn bill gates 
2019-11-16 15:56:29	fendor	the classic init to remove the newline?
2019-11-16 15:56:31	mpickering	ok here is how to fix it then
2019-11-16 15:56:44	mpickering	`split_pkgs = concatMap splitSearchPath pkg_args`
2019-11-16 15:57:04	mpickering	there should only be one thing in the `pkg_args` list but that seems the easiest way to fix it without having to write a case
2019-11-16 16:00:36	jneira	ok, i've changed it and added a trace: 
2019-11-16 16:00:43	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/9741184a6780e2700899a4d11de9fb80/pasted.txt
2019-11-16 16:01:24	mpickering	That's with `let split_pkgs = concatMap splitSearchPath pkg_arg`?
2019-11-16 16:02:10	jneira	yeah
2019-11-16 16:02:35	jneira	i've just double check that the package.db is there
2019-11-16 16:02:47	mpickering	ok yeah the problem is the /r
2019-11-16 16:03:00	mpickering	because apparently conduit `CB.lines` only works with `\n`
2019-11-16 16:03:22	jneira	i have to go, i'll try to take a look later
2019-11-16 16:03:59	mpickering	yes no problem I know where the problem is now
2019-11-16 16:04:00	mpickering	thanks a lot
2019-11-16 16:04:07	mpickering	have a nice day
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2019-11-17 18:49:22	alanz	lukelau, ping
2019-11-17 18:58:53	lukelau	dxld: no, i’m not sure what was calling stack but either way it was picking up a stack project when i hadnt stack installed, since i had a stack.yaml file
2019-11-17 18:59:05	lukelau	alanz: pong
2019-11-17 18:59:36	alanz	lukelau, how do you see the timeline for a new haskell-lsp etc release?
2019-11-17 19:00:05	lukelau	as in do you think its ready for a new release?
2019-11-17 19:00:42	lukelau	the VFS fix seems important enough to warrant one anyway
2019-11-17 19:00:45	alanz	I think haskell-lsp is ready, but needs matching changes in lsp-tests, and synchronous release
2019-11-17 19:01:02	alanz	and the hie-bios branch merge is waiting for it. Among other things
2019-11-17 19:01:15	alanz	I agree 100%
2019-11-17 19:02:55	alanz	I am happpy to release the haskell-lsp stuff (it is ready), but do not want to put you under pressure from the stack maintainers if you do not have time available
2019-11-17 19:03:01	lukelau	go ahead with a haskell-lsp release, i’m setting up lsp-test for haskell-lsp-0.18 now, building locally to see what breaks
2019-11-17 19:03:07	alanz	ok
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2019-11-17 19:06:52	fendor	lukelau, if there are problems with c-h in hie, that is probably my mistake
2019-11-17 19:07:40	lukelau	alanz: wait i think mpickering has a pr for lsp-test for the new vfs
2019-11-17 19:08:21	lukelau	fendor: i don’t think its a mistake, just an edge case that wasnt accounted for
2019-11-17 19:08:42	alanz	lukelau, yes, and I updated it for my changes. Either way, I just published 0.18.0.0
2019-11-17 19:09:02	alanz	https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/#/package/haskell-lsp-types
2019-11-17 19:09:10	alanz	https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/#/package/haskell-lsp
2019-11-17 19:10:00	fendor	lukelau, yeah, in this sense a mistake. Is the problem, that c-h selects a stack project although no stack is installed?
2019-11-17 19:11:03	lukelau	fendor: it returns a stack cradle when discovering, alongisde a cabal project. so i’m not sure where the responsibility lies to determine what cradles are buildable
2019-11-17 19:11:12	lukelau	i.e. should hie check or c-h
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2019-11-17 19:12:42	fendor	lukelau, if there is no hie.yaml, then c-h checks what kind of cradle it is
2019-11-17 19:12:43	lukelau	alanz: sorry didn’t realise you had made the pr
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2019-11-17 19:13:23	lukelau	fendor: yeah thats how i tried to work around it, by adding a hie.yaml. but then ran into the problem where it wasn’t using the lsp provided root workspace directory, and then that led to the pr i made last week
2019-11-17 19:13:41	fendor	theoretically, we make no guarantee what cradle will be found if both a cabal.project and a stack.yaml are present
2019-11-17 19:14:08	lukelau	i meant as in for discovery, should cabal-helper return all possible cradles, even if those tools aren’t installed? or should it query the programs that the user has installed and filter them out
2019-11-17 19:14:51	fendor	lukelau, I think, query for the installed tools and filter them out. This is already added to the todo-list in https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/48 but admittedly not very clearly
2019-11-17 19:14:53	alanz	lukelau, I didn't, but my working branch is https://github.com/alanz/lsp-test/tree/wip/vfs
2019-11-17 19:15:23	lukelau	alanz: is this not it? https://github.com/bubba/lsp-test/pull/58
2019-11-17 19:15:26	alanz	but the tests fail, however they fail on master too, I did not take the time to set up the environment properly
2019-11-17 19:15:49	alanz	ah yes, forgot that it is already merged :)
2019-11-17 19:16:13	lukelau	I had forgotten too. and apparently i merged it before 0.18 was released
2019-11-17 19:16:46	fendor	lukelau, your bug happened in lsp-test right? Example folders, iirc?
2019-11-17 19:16:56	lukelau	yeah, when trying to run the test suite
2019-11-17 19:17:00	alanz	We have been on the point of a release for some time, I think we were waiting for the go-ahead from fendor
2019-11-17 19:17:11	lukelau	the test suite is just “plain ghc” files
2019-11-17 19:17:13	fendor	alanz, sorry, go ahead
2019-11-17 19:17:45	fendor	alanz, I said on Wednesday that I checked that everything is working, but I have forgotten to tell you
2019-11-17 19:17:51	alanz	fendor, thanks, I just started the process. I recall you saying you were ok with it
2019-11-17 19:18:08	alanz	yes, you did. But I have been waiting for lukelau since then
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2019-11-17 19:18:48	alanz	But that is where we were all ready to publish, then put it on hold, then things got fuzzy :)
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2019-11-17 19:27:04	fendor	lukelau, lsp-tests work by leeching on a hie executable on the path right?
2019-11-17 19:27:16	lukelau	fendor: yup
2019-11-17 19:27:26	lukelau	well the lsp-test tests do
2019-11-17 19:27:34	lukelau	you can also just pass a path to a binary or what have you
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2019-11-17 19:27:58	lukelau	good news by the way, the lsp-test tests seem to be mostly passing on hie-bios now with the lsp root thing sorted
2019-11-17 19:29:34	fendor	no I am just thinking. it sounds weird that a stack project is inferred, this should not be possible implementation wise
2019-11-17 19:29:54	alanz	lukelau, I was thinking, that my original conception of haskell-lsp was to put in an example lsp-client
2019-11-17 19:30:08	fendor	in this case, I am thinking if maybe you have an old hie version on your path. But I have to experiment with it myself, first
2019-11-17 19:30:09	alanz	perhaps we should some time extend that as the thing to use for the tests
2019-11-17 19:30:31	alanz	because the non-linear dependency for tests is not that great
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2019-11-17 19:32:53	lukelau	alanz: yes, and having to build hie in the lsp-test ci sucks
2019-11-17 19:33:37	alanz	So maybe we should put that down as a long term goal then. It also provides a testbed/example for people using haskell-lsp
2019-11-17 19:34:31	lukelau	will it just provide like canned responses?
2019-11-17 19:35:07	lukelau	By the way I just replaced waitForDiagnosticsSource “ghcmod” with waitForDiagnosticsSource “bios”. Exciting milestone
2019-11-17 19:41:11	lukelau	https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/#/package/lsp-test
2019-11-17 19:44:45	cocreature	ghcide tests pass with the new releases, thanks everyone!
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2019-11-17 19:44:55	lukelau	dxld: updated that PR by the way to just not bother with checking cabal-install’s version
2019-11-17 19:46:46	alanz	cocreature, great
2019-11-17 19:47:29	lukelau	cocreature: that was quick!
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2019-11-17 19:59:03	lukelau	cocreature: new version out
2019-11-17 20:01:39	cocreature	lukelau: oh thanks a lot! that definitly could have waited for the next release but even better if I can get it now :)
2019-11-17 20:03:54	lukelau	fendor mpickering: is the ghc-mod submodule just needed for ghc-project-types now?
2019-11-17 20:06:49	alanz	Is anyone else intending to update hie master to use the new haskell-lsp? Else I will tackle it. In about 2 hours time
2019-11-17 20:08:05	lukelau	alanz: no
2019-11-17 20:11:07	fendor	lukelau, yes
2019-11-17 20:11:16	fendor	alanz, no. 
2019-11-17 20:24:17	fendor	lukelau, alanz said we could extract ghc-project-types and add it as a package for hie, enabling us to go to hackage as soon as c-h 1.0 is released on hacakge
2019-11-17 20:28:23	alanz	fendor, lukelau yes, provided dxld is ok with that, which I think he is
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2019-11-17 20:54:11	mpickering	I am trying to fix my PRs for hie-bios to work on windows
2019-11-17 20:54:23	mpickering	how can I setup windows ci? does travis work?
2019-11-17 20:54:51	mpickering	I also lost the ability to use my left little finger today which makes typing surprisingly hard 
2019-11-17 20:54:59	mpickering	as it's now taped to my 4th finger as well
2019-11-17 20:56:25	fendor	azure and travis have windows vm's, afaik
2019-11-17 20:56:41	fendor	that's what you get from learning the 10 finger system
2019-11-17 20:57:04	fendor	no fault tolerance! 
2019-11-17 20:57:28	fendor	I can also try to develop on windows *shivers*
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2019-11-17 21:09:09	mpickering	It is all annoying stuff to debug like "does hGetContents normalise line endings"
2019-11-17 21:09:16	mpickering	which is not documented and I can't test
2019-11-17 21:10:00	fendor_	I can do it. Pretty sure though it does not
2019-11-17 21:10:48	mpickering	but `readFile` does?
2019-11-17 21:11:12	mpickering	I just expected `lines` to work in a somewhat platform independent way
2019-11-17 21:11:19	fendor_	I dont think so. 
2019-11-17 21:11:27	fendor_	Yeah, that actually trips me up, too
2019-11-17 21:11:40	mpickering	but someone on IRC told me that when you read the file it should do the conversion somehow
2019-11-17 21:12:57	fendor_	that sounds really dubious, to me
2019-11-17 21:13:22	mpickering	no it's true
2019-11-17 21:13:24	mpickering	read this - https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6837628/data-bytestring-lazy-char8-newline-conversion-on-windows-is-the-documentation
2019-11-17 21:13:32	mpickering	that explains everything
2019-11-17 21:15:41	fendor_	it still bothers me that lines only breaks on '\n'
2019-11-17 21:24:45	mpickering	but also there doesn't seem to be many functions to normalise newlines
2019-11-17 21:25:59	mpickering	I will just remove all `\r` characters
2019-11-17 21:27:16	fendor_	hie-bios does not get along with hpack, I think
2019-11-17 21:27:21	mpickering	it just feels bad to traverse the string twice 
2019-11-17 21:27:25	mpickering	what do you mean?
2019-11-17 21:27:46	mpickering	should work fine if stack repl works
2019-11-17 21:27:48	mpickering	which will call hapack
2019-11-17 21:29:34	fendor_	yeah and hpack sometimes says: https://gist.github.com/fendor/63814326d2a291c3ea597e437ab3e613
2019-11-17 21:31:25	fendor_	I think this is a regression in https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/90. At least, the project loads fine in hie
2019-11-17 21:31:52	mpickering	yeah this is what I am just attempting to fix
2019-11-17 21:31:57	mpickering	can you try pulling my latest commit
2019-11-17 21:32:17	fendor_	sure
2019-11-17 21:32:41	fendor_	is it? I am not currently on windows, this is on nixos
2019-11-17 21:32:54	mpickering	oh you probably also need `--no-nix-pure`
2019-11-17 21:33:26	mpickering	I pushed a commit with that
2019-11-17 21:34:01	fendor_	thx
2019-11-17 21:35:51	fendor_	works now
2019-11-17 21:40:28	fendor_	on nixos at least
2019-11-17 21:41:40	fendor_	I approve of #90, should I check something on windows, too?
2019-11-17 21:46:14	mpickering	yes, check it works
2019-11-17 21:46:35	mpickering	I need to somehow disable the bios test on windows
2019-11-17 21:46:41	mpickering	as it uses a bash script
2019-11-17 21:48:24	alanz	mpickering, you should use whatever ghc does to load files from disk. It is at least battle tested
2019-11-17 21:48:58	mpickering	the problem was that we tried to split it up into lines
2019-11-17 21:49:57	alanz	ok
2019-11-17 21:50:58	mpickering	I am just calling `hGetContents` on a `Handle`
2019-11-17 22:01:48	alanz	I just know that this is a very gnarly area, and if you can find an existing library or solution it is almost always best to use it
2019-11-17 22:18:56	mpickering	fendor_: Did you test on windows?
2019-11-17 22:19:16	fendor_	not yet
2019-11-17 22:19:26	fendor_	need to install dev tools :/
2019-11-17 22:19:47	mpickering	ok we need to test that first
2019-11-17 22:19:54	mpickering	so we can wait for jneira 
2019-11-17 22:19:56	mpickering	or you can do it
2019-11-17 22:20:34	mpickering	there is a new haskell-lsp release
2019-11-17 22:20:59	fendor_	yeah, I am trying as well. But you know, cabal problems on windows, etc...
2019-11-17 22:20:59	mpickering	so I can try to rebase my branch
2019-11-17 22:21:24	fendor_	yeah, alanz is updating hie-bios to use the latest haskell-lsp
2019-11-17 22:21:36	fendor_	pr opened 1 minute ago
2019-11-17 22:21:59	alanz	technically updating the underlying hie-master
2019-11-17 22:22:09	alanz	do we merge/rebase that for hie-bios?
2019-11-17 22:22:48	fendor_	I think either is fine, since the commit history is already a huge mess
2019-11-17 22:24:03	alanz	ok, I will wait for the CI to pass and merge to master first
2019-11-17 22:30:15	mpickering	is there an lsp-test release as well?
2019-11-17 22:31:58	alanz	yes
2019-11-17 22:32:01	alanz	0.8.2.0
2019-11-17 22:32:02	mpickering	so will you make a pr merging the current master with hie-bios branch alanz? or how do we do this?
2019-11-17 22:32:35	mpickering	I need to get my `friday-fixes` branch merged which also needs a small change in HaRe
2019-11-17 22:32:36	alanz	mpickering, we will merge https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1457 first
2019-11-17 22:32:45	mpickering	ok
2019-11-17 22:32:57	alanz	then either rebase or merge into hie-bios, whichever you prefer
2019-11-17 22:33:33	mpickering	good luck rebasing :) 
2019-11-17 22:33:42	mpickering	the only viable way is a merge 
2019-11-17 22:34:41	alanz	great, I prefer those anyway
2019-11-17 22:36:31	mpickering	can you give me push access to HaRe so I don't have to change the submodule url?
2019-11-17 22:39:44	alanz	I change submodule URLs all the time, and do a git submodule sync, on every repo I work with
2019-11-17 22:39:56	alanz	But I can do that, just work on a separate branch
2019-11-17 23:05:00	fendor_	mpickering, multi-cradle is a bit broken in the tests, imo
2019-11-17 23:05:19	fendor_	or not sure
2019-11-17 23:05:25	mpickering	link?
2019-11-17 23:05:27	fendor_	but I get an error: https://travis-ci.org/mpickering/hie-bios/jobs/613148769?utm_medium=notification&utm_source=github_status
2019-11-17 23:05:56	fendor_	and in the tests, we use canonicalizePath and in multiAction too, which maybe produces this weird path?
2019-11-17 23:06:00	mpickering	we need to somehow stop this happening - Loaded package environment from /tmp/dist-test.ds4U/.ghc.environment.x86_64-linux-8.6.5
2019-11-17 23:06:46	fendor_	cant we just do write-environment-files: never?
2019-11-17 23:07:06	mpickering	I tried that, apparently not enough
2019-11-17 23:07:21	mpickering	it looks like the implementation of multi-cradle is wrong
2019-11-17 23:07:31	mpickering	that would be my analysis
2019-11-17 23:07:53	mpickering	hmm
2019-11-17 23:08:15	mpickering	probably we need to make the filepath relative to the root dir
2019-11-17 23:08:18	mpickering	in multi cradle search
2019-11-17 23:09:17	fendor_	not sure if wrong. It may have to check if the path is already absolute?
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2019-11-17 23:12:43	mpickering	I think the problem is that the path passed to `findCradle` is not made relative to the root dir before the prefixes are checked
2019-11-17 23:12:50	mpickering	usually the paths are already relative
2019-11-17 23:13:22	mpickering	perhaps the tests should use withDirectory and change into the root folder when trying to load the files
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2019-11-17 23:14:38	fendor_	ah, yeah
2019-11-17 23:15:05	fendor_	I see, so, makeRelative (cradleRootDir crd) a_fp ?
2019-11-17 23:27:40	fendor_	but now the order of loading the components matters
2019-11-17 23:36:52	fendor_	Error is in <mpickering> probably we need to make the filepath relative to the root dir
2019-11-17 23:36:57	fendor_	dammit
2019-11-17 23:36:58	fendor_	not my day
2019-11-17 23:37:30	fendor_	I mean travis output : https://travis-ci.org/mpickering/hie-bios/jobs/613161429?utm_medium=notification&utm_source=github_status
2019-11-17 23:43:43	fendor_	we should probably document that in initializeFlagsWithCradle the fp is expected to be relative to the cradle root dir
2019-11-18 00:13:17	mpickering	ok I can't concentrate this evening so I'm not going to write any code
2019-11-18 00:13:57	fendor	that's fine, it is sunday after all.
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2019-11-18 01:45:16	alanz	mpickering, I think your friday fixes has to land on hie-bios before the haskell-lsp-0.18 update can go in. Or must happen as a part of it
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2019-11-18 02:23:48	mpickering	alanz: why is that?
2019-11-18 02:24:09	mpickering	I thought I would just rebase it after
2019-11-18 02:24:19	alanz	It needs an update to getPersistedFile'
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2019-11-18 02:24:30	alanz	which has been done in your friday fixes.
2019-11-18 02:24:39	alanz	And I don't want to have to redo that work
2019-11-18 02:27:27	mpickering	I see
2019-11-18 02:27:33	mpickering	ok I will do the merge then
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2019-11-18 03:11:57	alanz	mpickering, fwiw there is very little in the way of conflicts, to hie-bios anyway
2019-11-18 03:13:07	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/hie-bios-part-merged
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2019-11-18 15:29:28	mpickering	It sounds like something is a bit broken on windows
2019-11-18 15:29:33	mpickering	but it's hard to imagine what :)
2019-11-18 15:37:15	jneira_	he, the weird thing is i cant see anything in the logs :-/
2019-11-18 15:37:33	jneira_	no errors or warnings
2019-11-18 15:39:35	mpickering	The one thing I notice is that some paths are like "file:///d%3A/ws/dhall/dhall-haskell/dhall/src/Dhall/Binary.hs"
2019-11-18 15:39:48	mpickering	and some paths are like `src\\Dhall\\TypeCheck.hs`
2019-11-18 15:40:30	jneira_	url encoded or local ones... 
2019-11-18 15:43:04	mpickering	It's very weird there's nothing in the log about "Did get typechecked module"
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2019-11-18 15:47:43	mpickering	perhaps the lookups into the module cache are always failing
2019-11-18 15:48:28	mpickering	I would try printing out the keys of the module cache
2019-11-18 15:48:32	mpickering	and the filepaths which get looked up
2019-11-18 15:49:25	jneira_	dhall-haskell/dhall-yaml in isolation works...
2019-11-18 15:49:58	jneira_	and dhall-haskell/dhall doesnt, so the problem seems to be related with the main subproject
2019-11-18 15:53:49	mpickering	do diagnostics work?
2019-11-18 15:56:15	jneira_	the typechecking finishes and errors and shown (hover works etc) but not correctly
2019-11-18 15:57:15	jneira_	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/f6d48fb025c2fd1ea832727a13039d61/pasted.txt
2019-11-18 15:58:45	jneira_	oh sorry, it works, the errors shown are legitimate, given i am building the subproject isolated from the other ones
2019-11-18 15:58:49	mpickering	it looks like according to that log hover would never work as the module didn't typecheck
2019-11-18 15:59:31	jneira_	you are right, errors are shown in the problems tab but no hover
2019-11-18 15:59:48	mpickering	I want to see what happens on a successful typecheck
2019-11-18 16:00:02	mpickering	I am looking at this line `2019-11-18 11:24:58.7827727 [ThreadId 88] - Typechecked modules for: `
2019-11-18 16:00:24	jneira_	however the behaviour is different, there is no hang on `loading`but no popup window
2019-11-18 16:01:32	mpickering	you mean in the progress notification?
2019-11-18 16:02:43	mpickering	it just occurred to me that might be because the notification is not cancelled correctly if the action throws an exception
2019-11-18 16:04:50	jneira_	i mean visually in vscode (in the logs i see `reactor:HoverRequest done`with dhall-yaml but no in dhall main subproject) 
2019-11-18 16:05:21	jneira_	HoverRequest:RequestMessage {_jsonrpc = "2.0", _id = IdInt 15, _method = TextDocumentHover, _params = TextDocumentPositionParams {_textDocument = TextDocumentIdentifier {_uri = Uri {getUri = "file:///d%3A/ws/dhall/dhall-haskell/dhall-yaml/src/Dhall/Yaml.hs"}}, _position = Position {_line = 27, _character = 20}, _workDoneToken = Nothing}}
2019-11-18 16:05:43	jneira_	it doesnt show anything but the request terminates
2019-11-18 16:08:43	jneira_	ok, fixing the build errors in dhall-yaml (setting `packages: .  ../dhall ../dhall-json` in `cabal.project`, all seems to work fine
2019-11-18 16:09:02	jneira_	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/1b25b71570500d7e119b8176d7f658f2/pasted.txt
2019-11-18 16:13:25	jneira_	but i would no spend more time on this, it is not a blocker for merging imo
2019-11-18 16:13:52	jneira_	windows+project specific issue, i'll try to trace the cause later
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2019-11-18 17:08:01	jneira_	hi fendor! i am starting to work on fix handling of ghc exceptions, i am starting with https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/hie-bios/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/ModuleCache.hs#L173-L187
2019-11-18 17:08:15	jneira_	as mpickering suggested
2019-11-18 17:08:38	fendor	jneira_, good morning! yeah, that ought to be the only location that needs patching
2019-11-18 17:08:56	jneira_	but i dont know what can we do with those exceptions (like `gcc.exe' failed in phase `C pre-processor')
2019-11-18 17:09:36	jneira_	simply logging and ignoring them?
2019-11-18 17:09:53	fendor	no, we return an IdeResultFail and this is shown to the user in a textbox
2019-11-18 17:10:57	jneira_	aha this is the actual behaviour, right?
2019-11-18 17:11:09	fendor	yeah.
2019-11-18 17:11:27	fendor	I think, you just have to catch the appropriate exception.
2019-11-18 17:11:50	fendor	and gcc.exe sounds like an IOException. 
2019-11-18 17:13:13	mpickering	I thin perhaps ProgramError
2019-11-18 17:13:15	mpickering	or SourceError
2019-11-18 17:16:00	fendor	is that a correct path for ghc "-i/./src"? This looks like an absolute path
2019-11-18 17:16:48	mpickering	that looks pretty strange
2019-11-18 17:17:33	fendor	produced in multi-cabal test with `hie-bios flags src/Lib.hs`
2019-11-18 17:17:47	fendor	actually "-i/src"
2019-11-18 17:19:52	fendor	jneira_, to discuss https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/32, what are you doing that has no responses? open dhall project with explicit stack or cabal? Or implicit config? 
2019-11-18 17:28:35	fendor	mpickering, I think this is a regression introduced by #90
2019-11-18 17:28:59	fendor	on commit https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/commit/a947a344e9ad151997e9802c72316303afb84f3c everything works as expected
2019-11-18 17:30:14	mpickering	open a ticket if you want me to look I can't look now
2019-11-18 17:30:40	fendor	ok
2019-11-18 17:32:23	jneira_	fednor re #32: i've test to open dhall-haskell and dhall-haskell/dhall with the `Cabal-Helper-Cabal-v2`, `Cabal-Helpper-Stack`and hie bios `stack`cradles, renaming or creating the appropiate files and checking in hie.log that it uses the cradle i wanted to
2019-11-18 17:33:49	jneira_	and for all three the behaviour is not the correct one: there is no error or warning in the logs but (as mpickering noted) `Did get typechecked module` is not shown
2019-11-18 17:34:21	jneira_	and on hover the popup hangs on `Loading`
2019-11-18 17:34:46	jneira_	the editor makes HoverRequest and hie seems to no respond at all
2019-11-18 17:34:59	fendor	that would hint on a crash that is hidden somehwere
2019-11-18 17:35:08	jneira_	only with the cancel message with you move the cursor out of hover
2019-11-18 17:35:19	fendor	ghc thread probably crashes
2019-11-18 17:35:37	fendor	so, just dhall and open a module in dhall-haskell/dhall?
2019-11-18 17:35:51	fendor	I am gonna get a burrito then I am trying to reproduce
2019-11-18 17:35:54	fendor	the bug
2019-11-18 17:36:54	jneira_	is windows+project based so as i was commenting just before you entered i think it is a no blocker for merging and we should not spend more time now
2019-11-18 17:37:17	fendor	maybe. Still want to take a look.
2019-11-18 17:37:34	jneira_	yeah, it is disturbing :-)
2019-11-18 17:38:09	jneira_	but i dont reproduce in other projects including hie, hie-bios, etc
2019-11-18 17:40:06	jneira_	re ghc exceptions: maybe i was not clear, the error (gcc etc) is already shown as a alert window in vscode
2019-11-18 17:41:06	jneira_	but if i call `ghc`directly with the flags given by hie-bios, it works
2019-11-18 18:01:08	fendor	oh. 
2019-11-18 18:01:16	fendor	I see. that sounds like a different error
2019-11-18 18:01:22	fendor	unfortunate
2019-11-18 18:04:06	jneira_	sorry for the confusion, i've changed https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/47 to make it clear that i see the error as a code alert
2019-11-18 18:05:20	jneira_	*as a vscode editor alert
2019-11-18 18:06:38	fendor	ah... does that look like a CPP error? did you add a custom hie.yaml? or just implicit?
2019-11-18 18:28:53	jneira_	i was using the implicit one so i am gonna trace the actual flags to reproduce the error calling directly ghc
2019-11-18 18:29:29	jneira_	the flags given by calling `hie-bios flags`directly works
2019-11-18 18:30:03	fendor	really?
2019-11-18 18:30:11	fendor	very weird
2019-11-18 18:31:09	jneira_	i am gonna check it again just in case i've tested it incorrectly
2019-11-18 18:31:50	fendor	I am pretty sure what you report is correct
2019-11-18 18:33:33	jneira_	i dont trust myself at all :-D
2019-11-18 18:34:37	fendor	I do :) your reports have always been reliable, imo
2019-11-18 18:41:17	jneira_	ok running `hie-bios flags` inside `haskell-ide-engine/install`  was using the stack cradle taking as project root `haskell-ide-engine` and those flags works (cause it is not stack.yaml in install)
2019-11-18 18:42:01	fendor	that is weird, should not do that
2019-11-18 18:42:36	jneira_	hie opening `haskell-ide-engine/install`is using the `Cabal-Helper-Cabal-V2` cradle and the flags cause the cpp error
2019-11-18 18:42:48	jneira_	(cause there is a `cabal.project`)
2019-11-18 18:44:29	fendor	yeah that is the expected behaviour for me
2019-11-18 18:44:56	fendor	I think the problem are the cpp instructions. That requires gcc on the path and if it isnt, which it rarely is on windows, it crashes
2019-11-18 18:53:12	fendor	jneira_, does this repo have the same problem? https://github.com/fendor/cpp-test-example
2019-11-18 19:11:36	jneira_	i think the actual ghc flags computed by `Cabal-Helper-Cabal-V2`will help a lot:
2019-11-18 19:11:45	jneira_	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/a2bcfae39c7b94f1f8eff67c8e845c66/pasted.txt
2019-11-18 19:12:05	jneira_	And the full error:
2019-11-18 19:12:09	jneira_	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/7161a825439f4005f71fa3f7f7333fb3/pasted.txt
2019-11-18 19:13:49	jneira_	cabal_macros.h is not there!
2019-11-18 19:14:36	fendor	interesting
2019-11-18 19:15:00	jneira_	i think it is cause `cabal build --dry-run`and `cabal build --only-configure` did not create it
2019-11-18 19:16:31	jneira_	if i do a full `cabal build` it is generated and then hie can load the file
2019-11-18 19:16:50	fendor	ok, very interesting
2019-11-18 19:16:50	jneira_	:-D
2019-11-18 19:18:46	jneira_	but c-h-h only uses the new build with `--dry-run` and `--only-configure`for good reasons i guess
2019-11-18 19:19:03	jneira_	i think you could reproduce it in linux
2019-11-18 19:19:58	jneira_	there is no a `cabal build --dry-run --run-preprocessors`:-P
2019-11-18 19:20:47	fendor	yeah, can reproduce
2019-11-18 19:20:59	jneira_	it has a easy workaround but it should be fixed, imho
2019-11-18 19:21:31	jneira_	but maybe not blocking too? 
2019-11-18 19:21:50	fendor	I would argue non-blocking since easy to fix.
2019-11-18 19:22:00	jneira_	:+1:
2019-11-18 19:22:06	fendor	It definitely needs to be documented clearly
2019-11-18 19:22:19	fendor	s/fix/workaround/
2019-11-18 19:23:17	fendor	with explicit hie.yaml, it works as expected
2019-11-18 19:27:00	fendor	jneira_, so, is the problem that the c-h-h never works on a project that has never been built?
2019-11-18 19:29:15	fendor	or what triggered it?
2019-11-18 19:30:56	jneira_	mmm the install subproject is somewaht special
2019-11-18 19:31:08	jneira_	i will test it in a normal cabal project
2019-11-18 19:31:29	jneira_	have to go, see you later
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2019-11-18 19:31:34	fendor	on another project, it works on a library for me
2019-11-18 20:13:11	fendor	mpickering, https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/94 
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2019-11-19 00:38:22	lukelau	dxld fendor mpickering: can we get this into c-h before hie-bios is merged? https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/pull/84
2019-11-19 00:38:31	lukelau	also fendor created a PR for checking build tools
2019-11-19 00:42:00	fendor	lukelau, yes and thank you! 
2019-11-19 00:42:19	fendor	will review it later today
2019-11-19 00:42:42	lukelau	np. happy to report that hie-bios is working for a stack cradle on hie itself
2019-11-19 00:42:58	lukelau	i think im still hitting some infinite build loop for cabal v2-cradles though
2019-11-19 00:43:20	fendor	lukelau, with c-h or explicit hie.yaml?
2019-11-19 00:43:28	lukelau	c-h
2019-11-19 00:43:42	lukelau	It’s during the build process though so after project discover
2019-11-19 00:43:47	lukelau	*discovery
2019-11-19 00:44:03	fendor	do you have an example projects where it didnt work?
2019-11-19 00:59:43	lukelau	fendor: Just hie at the moment
2019-11-19 01:00:23	lukelau	sorry for the late reply. in the process of linking/unlink cabal and stack, I’ve somehow managed to make base unbuildable
2019-11-19 01:01:00	lukelau	because `binary` and `containers` on my system have conflicting dependencies…
2019-11-19 01:01:36	fendor	no worries. For me, hie works well with c-h :/
2019-11-19 01:01:55	lukelau	Is it picking up the cabal v2-cradle though?
2019-11-19 01:02:19	lukelau	This is when I move the stack.yaml/use my patch to get it to select cabal when stack isn’t installed
2019-11-19 01:02:43	fendor	for me it is using the cabal v2-cradle
2019-11-19 01:02:55	fendor	it always has to, due to the existence of cabal.project
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2019-11-19 01:15:25	lukelau	fendor: trying to recreate a log for it now, but had to nuke ~/.cabal :( will report back once it rebuilds the world
2019-11-19 01:16:15	fendor	oh goodness
2019-11-19 01:16:34	fendor	I am deleting my ~/.cabal/store and `~/.stack` once hie-bios is finished
2019-11-19 01:16:40	fendor	this will free like 150 GB for me
2019-11-19 01:16:44	lukelau	jesus
2019-11-19 01:17:00	lukelau	how did that happen? i presume you’re mostly testing on ghc-8.6.5?
2019-11-19 01:17:32	fendor	mostly, but on my journey to make hie-bios build for every ghc version, I essentially had to build hie for each version at least once
2019-11-19 01:17:48	fendor	*every supported ghc version
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2019-11-19 01:44:29	lukelau	alanz: for the vscode plugin, would it be better not to pass the `-l` logfile parameter so the logs get directed to the built in vscode log window, rather than $TMPDIR/hie.log? i find it pretty confusing to have the hslogger output and stderr output going into two separate places
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2019-11-19 01:47:57	alanz	lukelau, I agree. I set it up that way in the early days when I did not really understand that stuff. Especially as initially the logging did not get presented in clients
2019-11-19 01:48:16	alanz	I also like being able to open a log file and view it in an editor :)
2019-11-19 01:48:56	lukelau	That is true. As far as I’m aware there’s no way in vscode to pipe the output to a file (other than just copy and paste)
2019-11-19 01:50:01	lukelau	fendor: the build loop seems to have gone away… i hope it was just something funky going on in my dist-newstyle/~.cabal
2019-11-19 01:50:27	alanz	But the original logger I put in (which is still in?) supports multiple destinations
2019-11-19 01:50:36	alanz	so we can configure it as needed
2019-11-19 01:50:43	lukelau	hslogger?
2019-11-19 01:53:11	lukelau	fendor: ah nevermind, i got it back. it was working successfully with the cabal v1-cradle, but is looping with cabal v2
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2019-11-19 01:56:31	fendor	lukelau, on hie itself?
2019-11-19 01:56:40	lukelau	fendor: https://gist.github.com/bubba/c98a5455c2766d2a66eb2622b76cf296
2019-11-19 01:56:41	lukelau	yeah
2019-11-19 01:57:04	lukelau	I’m getting “GhcException on cradle initialisation: "`gcc' failed in phase `C pre-processor’”, and then it seems to repeat the cradle finding process
2019-11-19 01:57:11	alanz	lukelau, see the example at http://hackage.haskell.org/package/hslogger-1.3.1.0/docs/System-Log-Logger.html
2019-11-19 01:57:50	fendor	lukelau, ah, that would be https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/47 then
2019-11-19 01:58:27	fendor	can you try building the project first? e.g. cabal v2-build  exe:hie?
2019-11-19 01:59:49	lukelau	alanz: should we not be using the lsp logging functionality?
2019-11-19 02:00:06	lukelau	when possible
2019-11-19 02:00:22	lukelau	there’s a lot of code in just the IO monad that will make things tricky
2019-11-19 02:00:26	lukelau	*logging code
2019-11-19 02:00:54	alanz	probably. Or at the least put a logger into lspfuncs, as it is initialised in haskell-lsp anyway
2019-11-19 02:01:02	lukelau	yeah
2019-11-19 02:01:37	lukelau	fendor: still fails after building, is there a to get the raw commands hie-bios is choosing so I can see what exactly its trying to run?
2019-11-19 02:02:10	lukelau	also i presume it repeatedly trying to build the project is a bug?
2019-11-19 02:03:41	fendor	lukelau, in the logs is a line "Flags for" which are the flags roughly passed to ghc to buidl the file
2019-11-19 02:04:06	fendor	so `ghc <flags>` in the cradle root dir is what essentially happens
2019-11-19 02:05:06	fendor	lukelau, well, yes and no. It is to be expected, but the UX is wrong. This happens, because runActionWithContext failed in setting up the ghc session. However, in the next request, we are running `runActionWithContext` again which fails again...
2019-11-19 02:05:57	lukelau	i’m surprised that there are that many requests coming through though
2019-11-19 02:06:08	lukelau	i would only expect it to be built once or twice but it seems to go on for a while
2019-11-19 02:06:15	fendor	three times
2019-11-19 02:06:31	lukelau	i cut off that log btw
2019-11-19 02:06:56	fendor	first is the lint request, then typechecking and there used to be `mapFileFromVfs` which sent a request to ghc thread
2019-11-19 02:07:01	fendor	that is fine
2019-11-19 02:07:20	fendor	after the first repetition, we know something is off
2019-11-19 02:07:47	fendor	as a measure of thumb, if the line "new cradle" occurs more than once for a specific file, we have a problem
2019-11-19 02:09:07	lukelau	Yeah I’m getting several new-cradles though. Presumably because of the error though there’s no cradle cached for that file?
2019-11-19 02:09:32	fendor	exactly
2019-11-19 02:09:52	fendor	and runActionWithcontext does not remember that it failed to initialise the context for the fiel before, so it tries again
2019-11-19 02:10:21	lukelau	by the way for the flags, running ghc directly wtih those commands results in “module ‘Haskell.Ide.Engine.ArtifactMap’ cannot be found locally”, is there something i can pass to help it find those modules? or can i run it via cabal?
2019-11-19 02:11:43	fendor	that is a bit weird. that ought to work afaik
2019-11-19 02:14:46	fendor	hm, maybe `-i` needs to be normalised, too...
2019-11-19 02:35:41	fendor	mpickering, why are we "fixing the import dirs"? 
2019-11-19 02:41:48	mpickering	fendor: because cabal passes import dirs relative to the root of each component
2019-11-19 02:42:20	mpickering	So if you have another package listed in the cabal.project then it cds into that directory before executing anything
2019-11-19 02:42:25	mpickering	that's also why the wrapper echos pwd
2019-11-19 02:43:09	fendor	mpickering, yeah, I understood the purpose of the echo. I was just not sure why we are fixing them.
2019-11-19 02:43:24	fendor	ok, so, I definitely have to fix them as well in c-h
2019-11-19 02:43:28	mpickering	This issue with `gcc` is exactly why the cabal cradle uses `v2-repl` to make sure that all the dependencies are built
2019-11-19 02:43:50	mpickering	I don't know how c-h deals with that
2019-11-19 02:45:02	fendor	in c-h, I can see include dirs such as `-i` and `-i.`, so, at least the latter needs to be fixed 
2019-11-19 02:45:19	fendor	in hie-bios, we also fix `-i` to `-i<root>`
2019-11-19 02:45:48	mpickering	yes
2019-11-19 02:45:50	mpickering	approximatey
2019-11-19 02:46:44	fendor	although `-i` means, empty the import directory list?
2019-11-19 02:47:27	mpickering	ah right
2019-11-19 02:47:32	mpickering	I suppose that could break things
2019-11-19 02:48:02	fendor	a simple check "not (null fp)" would solve that in hie-bios
2019-11-19 02:49:00	fendor	btw, the tests now run in hie-bios, but I failed to rebase the branch correctly. Should I just push with a merge commit in wip/tests or do you want to try rebasing it?
2019-11-19 02:49:19	mpickering	we should rebase it
2019-11-19 02:49:24	mpickering	should be quite easy?
2019-11-19 02:49:49	mpickering	btw why does your PR fix the issue?
2019-11-19 02:49:59	mpickering	I would have to read up on the semantics of | and ``
2019-11-19 02:50:53	fendor	mpickering, yes it did fix the issue
2019-11-19 02:51:04	fendor	the wip/tests succeed why the patch
2019-11-19 02:51:33	fendor	it should be, but git does weird things. Idk, I can try again
2019-11-19 02:51:54	mpickering	I can do it eventually but I'm just feeling a bit unmotivated for all this atm
2019-11-19 02:52:16	fendor	ok, I will try then
2019-11-19 02:53:26	mpickering	I didn't make it easy because I backported some changes such as --no-nix-pure to the other branch
2019-11-19 02:53:58	fendor	that is not the problem, for some reason, I am loosing stuff in tests/BiosTests.hs
2019-11-19 02:54:12	fendor	dont know what i am doing wrong. But I will try again
2019-11-19 02:55:03	mpickering	🚴‍♂️
2019-11-19 02:58:08	fendor	isnt it a bit cold to go cycling? :O
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2019-11-19 03:17:24	mpickering	I cycle to work everyday unless it snows and because I'm in the UK, that's once a year!
2019-11-19 03:20:46	fendor	fair enough. I've heard the rain can be annoying, though
2019-11-19 03:21:20	fendor	now the rebase worked fine after deleting all .ghc.env* files. Whatever, nwo it is rebased
2019-11-19 03:21:29	fendor	and tests succeed
2019-11-19 03:25:36	lukelau	fendor: mpickering: cabal-install isn’t required anymore right?
2019-11-19 03:25:48	lukelau	just testing it there, not having cabal on the path but stack instead seemed to be ok
2019-11-19 03:26:10	fendor	lukelau, iirc, it was actually never required on stack only projects
2019-11-19 03:26:22	fendor	or at least for the last year it wasnt required
2019-11-19 03:26:30	lukelau	cool, going to remove a warning hie emits when cabal-install isn’t there
2019-11-19 03:27:30	fendor	yeah, makes sense. Based on the project context, we could still add a warning for versions
2019-11-19 03:34:09	mpickering	yeah HIE now knows nothing about the difference between any of the build tools
2019-11-19 03:34:16	mpickering	the only interface is via the cradle
2019-11-19 03:34:31	lukelau	Is there any way of checking if a Cradle is a cabal cradle, without just string mathcing on the action name?
2019-11-19 03:34:53	mpickering	You can check the `CradleConfig` before you load it but after you load it, not currently
2019-11-19 03:35:13	mpickering	the problem is that it's supposed to be open
2019-11-19 03:35:30	fendor	moreover, cradle-config does not cover the cabal-helper cradle
2019-11-19 03:35:37	mpickering	Perhaps I can define a data type like `data CradleType a = Cabal | Stack | Other a`
2019-11-19 03:35:57	mpickering	then we could use this data type also for the config
2019-11-19 03:36:10	mpickering	and add an "other" field to the hie.yaml
2019-11-19 03:36:30	mpickering	So after parsing it's `CradleType Value` which you can modify into `CradleType CabalHelperTypes`
2019-11-19 03:37:10	fendor	mhm, yeah that's sounds really awesome! But maybe this should be on a todo-list of the future?
2019-11-19 03:37:58	fendor	I think, adding predicates that check the cradle name to Cradle.hs in hie-plugin-api is the simplest way to go
2019-11-19 03:38:14	fendor	*most simple
2019-11-19 03:38:50	fendor	apparently "simplest" is correct
2019-11-19 03:39:57	mpickering	indeed, I only recently considered how the difference between "hard" and "hardly" could be very confusing for anyone attempting to learn english
2019-11-19 03:40:01	lukelau	would anyone have any objections to a dirty, “cabal” `isInfixOf` actionName ?
2019-11-19 03:40:09	lukelau	with a todo left in, of course
2019-11-19 03:40:22	mpickering	sounds ok, for now, but the design I am suggesting should take < 1 hr to implement
2019-11-19 03:40:48	mpickering	as the data type already exists in `hie-bios` you just need to add the `Other` construct, paramterise it and then use it in the `Cradle` definition
2019-11-19 03:41:16	lukelau	at the moment im trying to get hie to report an lsp error if hie.yaml has a parse error
2019-11-19 03:42:22	fendor	oh, yeah, I think you actually have to catch the exception for that
2019-11-19 03:43:12	lukelau	yeah just doing that with Control.Exception.catch
2019-11-19 03:43:18	fendor	we could also turn `loadCradle` into `FilePath -> IO (Maybe Cradle)`, or `Either String Cradle`
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2019-11-19 03:43:45	lukelau	I originally tried doing that but loadCradle is called in a bunch of places
2019-11-19 03:43:54	mpickering	I seem to remember this was actually really hard
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2019-11-19 03:44:30	mpickering	yeah I have tried at least twice and it go too annoying each time
2019-11-19 03:44:32	fendor	The difference between hard and hardly used to be confusing for me :D
2019-11-19 03:44:53	mpickering	Is it something your teachers explained or you learnt yourself?
2019-11-19 03:45:58	fendor	mpickering, since I am terrible with languages, my one-to-one teacher explained it to me when I was like 13
2019-11-19 03:46:03	mpickering	It seems simple, you just change `decodeFile` to `decodeFileThrow` but then you expose some Yaml exception in the API and it just gets everywhere, one day we'll refactor it nicely
2019-11-19 03:47:44	fendor	yeah, good enough for no
2019-11-19 03:47:46	fendor	yeah, good enough for now
2019-11-19 03:53:24	mpickering	is this test patch good to merge?
2019-11-19 03:53:46	fendor	I think so, yeah. We could add more tests, though, but we can do that gradualyl
2019-11-19 03:53:46	mpickering	it definitely fails on windows but until there is CI set up for windows then I don't think it's critical
2019-11-19 03:53:55	fendor	agreed
2019-11-19 04:16:09	lukelau	fendor: sorry just seeing your pr now
2019-11-19 04:16:13	lukelau	trying it out
2019-11-19 04:16:17	fendor	lukelau, thank you!
2019-11-19 04:18:58	lukelau	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/56
2019-11-19 04:22:30	mpickering	fendor: You know the stack tests don't actually load the modules?
2019-11-19 04:22:45	mpickering	because the cradle doesn't return the targets
2019-11-19 04:24:06	fendor	mpickering, no, didnt think of it
2019-11-19 04:24:24	lukelau	fendor: still getting gcc failed in phase c pre-processor
2019-11-19 04:24:55	lukelau	i’m confused as to how the hie.yaml cradle works but the c-h cradle doesn’t though
2019-11-19 04:25:01	lukelau	whats the difference between the two?
2019-11-19 04:25:10	mpickering	the hie.yaml cradle calls `v2-repl`
2019-11-19 04:25:17	mpickering	which triggers all this stuff to be compiled
2019-11-19 04:25:23	mpickering	the c-h cradle, I have no idea :)
2019-11-19 04:25:27	dxld	:P
2019-11-19 04:26:08	dxld	me neither, which repo is this c-h-h thing even in these days? I was just looking for it a minute ago
2019-11-19 04:28:40	mpickering	mpickering/hie-bios
2019-11-19 04:28:54	mpickering	the changes are on the main branch in the `Cradle.hs` module
2019-11-19 04:29:27	dxld	oh so it's properly integrated now, neat
2019-11-19 04:29:53	mpickering	fendor: So what should I do about this?
2019-11-19 04:30:06	fendor	mpickering, idk, probably remove them again?
2019-11-19 04:30:07	mpickering	Should I add the searched for file as a target?
2019-11-19 04:30:20	fendor	yeah, that is way
2019-11-19 04:30:37	mpickering	I think stack does actually list the targets but it puts them into a ghci file
2019-11-19 04:30:59	mpickering	so another option is to read the ghci file and try to interpret it, which isn't impossible...
2019-11-19 04:31:22	mpickering	the whole stack repl is a bit broken though
2019-11-19 04:31:51	mpickering	because of the component smashing and how if you give a path it only list dependencies of that module rather than all the targets for that component
2019-11-19 04:33:31	fendor	yeah, a bit weird
2019-11-19 04:36:03	lukelau	dxld: whats the recommended course of action for https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/pull/84/files
2019-11-19 04:36:30	dxld	I mean the way it has to be solved eventually is by refactoring
2019-11-19 04:36:52	lukelau	i presume this isn’t within the timeline of hie-bios being merged though
2019-11-19 04:36:53	dxld	but I can't give a timeframe for when I might be done with that
2019-11-19 04:37:15	dxld	I dunno, it's not so bad as far as how much work it is goes
2019-11-19 04:37:28	dxld	I just have a client project to work on atm
2019-11-19 04:37:31	lukelau	is this refactoring going to be part of the 1.0.0 hackage release?
2019-11-19 04:37:47	dxld	i would say so
2019-11-19 04:38:02	dxld	currently the api is pretty broken in terms of how it models cabal
2019-11-19 04:38:13	mpickering	We should probably set a date when we want to do a hackage release so we have something to aim for
2019-11-19 04:38:38	mpickering	otherwise it could drag on for a long time trying to make things perfect
2019-11-19 04:38:46	fendor	for hie, hie-bios or c-h?
2019-11-19 04:38:47	mpickering	(for all the projects, not just c-h)
2019-11-19 04:38:51	fendor	ah, ok
2019-11-19 04:39:02	mpickering	I mean a date for `h-i-e` which would necessitate all the other projects getting released
2019-11-19 04:39:09	dxld	I mean I'm happy to do a snapshot release whenever if you guys thing things work well enough
2019-11-19 04:39:29	dxld	I'm not hell-bent on getting everything perfect on the 1.0.0.0 release
2019-11-19 04:39:29	lukelau	like a 0.9 release?
2019-11-19 04:39:48	dxld	well I would call it 1.0 but yeah
2019-11-19 04:39:58	mpickering	ok cool
2019-11-19 04:40:03	dxld	gotta increase those version numbers monotonically
2019-11-19 04:40:12	lukelau	Ok, is there anything I can do for https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/pull/84 then? 
2019-11-19 04:40:26	lukelau	I’d say it would block hie-bios pretty hard
2019-11-19 04:40:43	dxld	oh just do that refactor to have one findCabalFile call and I'm happy for now
2019-11-19 04:40:49	lukelau	cool
2019-11-19 04:40:55	mpickering	6th December is 3 weeks away, how realistic does that sound?
2019-11-19 04:41:06	dxld	(if you promise you tested it) :)
2019-11-19 04:41:18	fendor	realistic to me to have at least hie-bios merged into master
2019-11-19 04:41:19	lukelau	dxld: I will ;)
2019-11-19 04:41:35	dxld	I have tenative plans to add a test suite for the discovery stuff
2019-11-19 04:42:43	mpickering	fendor: Why are there no files in the project-stack directory in this PR and how does the test pass lol
2019-11-19 04:42:47	dxld	because right now we're just kind of gussing it'll work which sucks
2019-11-19 04:46:14	fendor	mpickering, that was your project :)
2019-11-19 04:46:23	fendor	idk, is this project checked? 
2019-11-19 04:47:25	mpickering	yeah there is a test which apparently passes
2019-11-19 04:49:01	fendor	funny
2019-11-19 04:49:02	fendor	weird
2019-11-19 04:49:41	mpickering	I just pushed a change up which should catch it
2019-11-19 04:50:11	fendor	thanks! 
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2019-11-19 05:00:19	lukelau	dxld: let me know if https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/pull/84/commits/5f534fa26b6ee5fd84cc1b97c81392594a382db4 is too “type masturbatory”
2019-11-19 05:01:24	dxld	nah seems fine
2019-11-19 05:01:26	mpickering	Does stack work even if you don't have a stack.yaml?
2019-11-19 05:01:49	fendor	mpickering, no, it should not
2019-11-19 05:01:52	dxld	sorta kinda
2019-11-19 05:02:02	fendor	really? 
2019-11-19 05:02:03	dxld	it'll use the global project
2019-11-19 05:02:06	fendor	oh yeah
2019-11-19 05:02:07	lukelau	yeah
2019-11-19 05:02:15	dxld	not sure if that works when there's a cabal file in the mix though
2019-11-19 05:02:21	lukelau	~/.stack/config.yaml
2019-11-19 05:02:27	lukelau	i think it still works
2019-11-19 05:02:41	fendor	isnt there ~/.stack/global-project/?
2019-11-19 05:02:48	lukelau	fendor: have the func tests been all passing for you on hie-bios locally?
2019-11-19 05:03:02	mpickering	hmm indeed it does work
2019-11-19 05:03:02	dxld	I've been wanting to make a bunch of tests to document that sort of crazy behaviour :)
2019-11-19 05:03:06	mpickering	not sure if that's good or bad
2019-11-19 05:03:17	mpickering	I suppose the test still checks that things are not totally broken
2019-11-19 05:03:18	fendor	lukelau, i think so yeah. I normally let the CI do the job
2019-11-19 05:03:45	lukelau	mpickering: it makes sense for an offline configuration, where you want to just build a bunch of software on one specific snapshot
2019-11-19 05:04:12	lukelau	fendor: i’m getting a few failures locally, most of them pass. what CI are you using for hie-bios?
2019-11-19 05:04:55	mpickering	I deleted that dangling stack.yaml file now fendor 
2019-11-19 05:05:54	fendor	lukelau, azure
2019-11-19 05:05:59	fendor	mpickering, nice!
2019-11-19 05:10:02	fendor	lukelau, beg my pardon, I mean circleci
2019-11-19 05:10:20	fendor	https://circleci.com/workflow-run/59fa380a-3ebd-44a5-9ed6-d8ebd3896f3e
2019-11-19 05:10:22	fendor	current hie-bios master
2019-11-19 05:11:28	lukelau	i think im getting the same failures locally https://app.circleci.com/jobs/github/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/1850/tests
2019-11-19 05:11:40	lukelau	will try to look at them tomorrow
2019-11-19 05:15:26	mpickering	I merged the tests
2019-11-19 05:15:37	mpickering	so now we only have left any documentation for the hie-bios release I think
2019-11-19 05:16:40	fendor	Yeah, think so, too.
2019-11-19 05:18:03	fendor	lukelau, fixing tests is probably the most annoying task of the hie-bios merge check list
2019-11-19 05:18:41	lukelau	one thing thats concering me is some type information is disappearing in completions + hovers
2019-11-19 05:18:54	lukelau	hie-bios is returning “Prelude” instead of “String -> IO ()\nPrelude”
2019-11-19 05:19:09	lukelau	for putStrLn
2019-11-19 05:19:23	lukelau	I hope this isn’t to do with some modules not being loaded
2019-11-19 05:19:49	mpickering	there is certainly some difference in loading behaciour
2019-11-19 05:20:24	mpickering	but I want a clear specification about what should happen before fixing it
2019-11-19 05:20:44	mpickering	ie, what should happen on a load, what should happen on a file change etc
2019-11-19 05:21:13	mpickering	I think parsing the ghci file won't be too gnarly so I will look into that in hie-bios
2019-11-19 05:21:22	mpickering	perhaps just looking for the `:add` command or whatever else stack uses
2019-11-19 05:21:25	mpickering	gtg, gn
2019-11-19 05:22:09	lukelau	on the bright side though, i just moved my hie source folder, and copied the binary arbitrarily into my path and it works!
2019-11-19 05:22:18	lukelau	asides from hlint
2019-11-19 05:22:27	lukelau	strings `which hie` | grep hlint
2019-11-19 05:29:54	fendor	lukelau, the test for that is succeeding though, right?
2019-11-19 05:30:21	fendor	lukelau, that is a great start! 
2019-11-19 05:30:58	fendor	lukelau, in particular, there is a check for it: https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/hie-bios/test/functional/CompletionSpec.hs#L35
2019-11-19 05:31:04	fendor	so it definitely is completely broken
2019-11-19 05:31:35	fendor	*isnt 
2019-11-19 05:31:42	fendor	so it definitely isn't completely broken
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2019-11-19 06:07:22	lukelau	fendor: the test for that is failing
2019-11-19 06:07:27	lukelau	but it does return Prelude
2019-11-19 06:07:33	lukelau	which is better than nothing
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2019-11-19 17:47:42	lukelau	dxld: tested pr #84, working as expected now
2019-11-19 17:47:46	lukelau	also opened https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/pull/85
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2019-11-19 17:54:25	fendor_	lukelau, :O does that fix, e.g. in dhall the target "test:tasy"? 
2019-11-19 17:54:38	lukelau	lemme try
2019-11-19 17:57:12	lukelau	initializing cradle
2019-11-19 17:58:17	fendor_	is there in the logs something like `cabal: Ambiguous target 'test:doctest'. It could be:` 
2019-11-19 17:58:39	lukelau	yeah that was the error it fixed.
2019-11-19 17:58:56	fendor_	yesss
2019-11-19 17:58:57	fendor_	nice
2019-11-19 17:59:05	lukelau	Interestingly enough it happened for me because both lsp-test and haskell-lsp expose components called `test:tests`
2019-11-19 17:59:06	fendor_	I add it to the release issue
2019-11-19 17:59:23	lukelau	and lsp-test has haskell-lsp as a dependency
2019-11-19 18:00:31	jneira_	lukelau: nice! 
2019-11-19 18:00:33	fendor_	that is so great!
2019-11-19 18:00:54	fendor_	for every issue we close, I open a new one :D 
2019-11-19 18:01:06	jneira_	i hit it with `dhall-haskell`
2019-11-19 18:01:43	fendor_	jneira_, yeah, opened an issue for it: https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/58
2019-11-19 18:01:43	lukelau	how come the IO exceptions inside getcomponents in c-h-h are swalled? for some reason even though i got this error on lsp-test with c-h cradle, it still somehow managed to typecheck the module
2019-11-19 18:01:52	lukelau	also yes its working now on dhall-haskell :)
2019-11-19 18:03:17	lukelau	but its very slow. it does a full v2-build
2019-11-19 18:03:23	fendor_	lukelau, we catch the IOException because the following happens: we want to load the library. The order in which components are traveresed is not specified. It happens that the test-component depends on the library and the library does currently not compile.
2019-11-19 18:03:59	lukelau	so that component is just skipped?
2019-11-19 18:04:02	fendor_	this throws an exception and we can not continue. However, if we loaded the library first, we could have established an ghc session and show the errors
2019-11-19 18:04:04	fendor_	yeah
2019-11-19 18:04:06	lukelau	ok
2019-11-19 18:04:20	fendor_	yeah, that is the easier explanation :D 
2019-11-19 18:06:08	jneira_	> but its very slow. it does a full v2-build
2019-11-19 18:06:26	jneira_	what is it very slow?
2019-11-19 18:06:48	lukelau	the c-h cradle on dhall-haskell
2019-11-19 18:06:52	fendor_	the intial build, I suppose?
2019-11-19 18:07:08	lukelau	oh yeah its an initial build, i forgot. never built the project before
2019-11-19 18:07:20	jneira_	mmm i thought c-h only did a `cabal build --dry-run`
2019-11-19 18:07:45	fendor_	jneira_, still builds all dependencies, afaik?
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2019-11-19 18:07:56	jneira_	ah ok
2019-11-19 18:07:59	jneira_	yeah
2019-11-19 18:08:14	fendor_	at least *something* needs to build all dependencies at some point -> will take a long time on initial startup
2019-11-19 18:08:16	lukelau	I’m seeing parts of the library being built multiple times across components
2019-11-19 18:08:22	jneira_	so we have all deps but no `cabal_macros.h`, he
2019-11-19 18:08:57	lukelau	Like instead of a dist-newstyle in the root directory of dhall-haskell, there’s a dist-newstyle inside each subproject like dhall-json, dhall-yaml
2019-11-19 18:08:58	fendor_	lukelau, yeah, don't know why this happens. Maybe different flags for the different stanzas? 
2019-11-19 18:09:07	fendor_	oh.
2019-11-19 18:09:19	fendor_	this will probably we caused of the "setCurrentDirectory"
2019-11-19 18:09:21	lukelau	I would check what directory cabal is being run in
2019-11-19 18:09:22	fendor_	that is something bigger
2019-11-19 18:09:28	lukelau	^^
2019-11-19 18:10:09	lukelau	either way I’m able to load both dhall-yaml/tasty/Main.hs and dhall-json/tasty/Main.hs
2019-11-19 18:10:13	fendor_	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/hie-bios/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/ModuleCache.hs#L183 
2019-11-19 18:11:03	jneira_	but there is only a `cabal.project`at root, `BIOS.cradleRootDir` should point to it
2019-11-19 18:11:05	fendor_	I would say, this is future work. But I agree, we probably can fix that
2019-11-19 18:11:26	fendor_	jneira_, yeah, but there are sub-packages. And the flags we retrieve a relative to the sub-package root.
2019-11-19 18:11:45	fendor_	therefore we set for a cradle root to the root of the sub-package
2019-11-19 18:12:07	jneira_	ok
2019-11-19 18:12:40	fendor_	*therefore we set the cradle root for a sub-package to the root directory of the sub-package
2019-11-19 18:12:52	fendor_	which would perfectly explain the behaviour
2019-11-19 18:12:59	lukelau	fendor_: “Cabal-Helper found these projects: ["ProjLocV2Dir {plProjectDirV2 = \"/Users/luke/Source/dhall-haskell/dhall-json\"}","ProjLocV1Dir {plProjectDirV1 = \"/Users/luke/Source/dhall-haskell/dhall-json\"}","ProjLocV2File {plCabalProjectFile = \"/Users/luke/Source/dhall-haskell/cabal.project\", plProjectDirV2 = \"/Users/luke/Source/dhall-haskell\"}","ProjLocStackYaml {plStackYaml = \"/Users/luke/Source/dhall-haskell/stack.yaml\”}”]”
2019-11-19 18:13:15	lukelau	looks like c-h finds cradles in the subdirectory anyway
2019-11-19 18:15:56	fendor_	uhm... maybe? It traces all ancestors of a file, so, it should everything on the path?
2019-11-19 18:16:11	fendor_	*find everything
2019-11-19 18:17:56	lukelau	should c-h-h then select the uppermost project?
2019-11-19 18:18:34	fendor_	if there are stack or cabal-v2 projects, it should prefer those
2019-11-19 18:18:42	fendor_	otherwise the first .cabal file it encounters
2019-11-19 18:19:07	lukelau	surely it should prefer the cabal.project files
2019-11-19 18:19:18	lukelau	over .cabal
2019-11-19 18:20:25	fendor_	exactly, that is, before your pr is merged, if there is a cabal.project file, it is identified as a cabal-v2 project
2019-11-19 18:21:28	lukelau	my pr?
2019-11-19 18:22:10	fendor_	https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/pull/84
2019-11-19 18:23:02	fendor_	this will make the logic of findCabalHelperEntryPoint a bit more complex, i think
2019-11-19 18:23:03	lukelau	oh yeah. maybe the ordering of that should be changed so that the cabal.project gets inserted first
2019-11-19 18:23:50	fendor_	dont know if that helps, since we want to look first if there is a cabal.project somewhere else in a parent directory
2019-11-19 18:27:42	fendor_	lukelau, that solves https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/58, right?
2019-11-19 18:27:47	fendor_	your hie-bios pr
2019-11-19 18:27:54	lukelau	yup
2019-11-19 18:28:20	fendor_	great
2019-11-19 18:29:40	jneira_	maybe we should update the status of #32 (hover unresponsive in dhall-haskell+windows) in "Merge into master"
2019-11-19 18:30:10	lukelau	jneira_: is that not for a stack project
2019-11-19 18:30:28	lukelau	you should probably give dhall-haskell a test now with master by the way
2019-11-19 18:30:42	fendor_	yeah, good idea, maybe this is closed as well
2019-11-19 18:30:51	jneira_	you still think that "the fix ought to be to catch the correct exception"?
2019-11-19 18:30:53	lukelau	when i say “it worked on my machine”, I don’t have stack installed
2019-11-19 18:31:30	jneira_	mmm the title should be updated: hover is unrespondive for dhall-haskell in my windows systems with stack or cabal, etc
2019-11-19 18:32:00	jneira_	and other stack projects works correctly
2019-11-19 18:33:01	jneira_	i dont know why :-/  but maybe we can fix it after merging (so i would remove it from the list)
2019-11-19 18:33:23	fendor_	jneira_, no, I updated the meta issue. Where we have to catch another exception in my opinion is https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/34
2019-11-19 18:34:05	fendor_	I updated it incorrectly, thanks for the hint :D 
2019-11-19 18:35:59	jneira_	:+1:
2019-11-19 18:36:56	fendor_	jneira_, so, current hie-bios masters still has the issue #32?
2019-11-19 18:38:03	jneira_	i did not test it with today changes but i am afraid it will not
2019-11-19 18:38:33	fendor_	ok :/
2019-11-19 18:38:35	jneira_	i'll give a try just in case
2019-11-19 18:38:48	fendor_	thanks :)
2019-11-19 18:38:59	fendor_	only if you have time
2019-11-19 18:39:24	jneira_	sure, it is a quick one
2019-11-19 18:52:57	lukelau	fendor_: is getPersistedFile' in PluginsIdeMonads still needed after the haskell-lsp VFS race condition fixes?
2019-11-19 18:53:55	fendor_	lukelau, sorry, I dont know. Did not review https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/44 which may or may not remove that function
2019-11-19 18:54:35	fendor_	no, it does not.
2019-11-19 18:54:54	fendor_	I dont know if getPersistedFile' is needed anymore.
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2019-11-19 19:16:31	jneira_	hie now loads dhall-haskell with its duplicates components :-)
2019-11-19 19:16:42	jneira_	but continur not responding on hover :-(
2019-11-19 19:17:47	jneira_	fendor: could you update the description of #32 to something like `No hover responses on dhall-haskell in windows`?
2019-11-19 19:18:46	jneira_	cause i cant reproduce it in other projects and it dont respond whatever cradle you choose
2019-11-19 19:19:40	jneira_	*doesn't
2019-11-19 19:20:47	fendor_	done
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2019-11-19 20:13:31	lukelau	dxld: is it possible to have c-h pick up the programs for ghc/ghc-pkg from the cabal project, before it runs the build command?
2019-11-19 20:14:16	lukelau	at the moment i think its just defaulting to whatever ghc is in defaultPrograms regardless of what with-compiler is set to in cabal.project{.local}
2019-11-19 20:15:10	fendor_	lukelau, you mean to build the dependencies?
2019-11-19 20:15:12	lukelau	but then i guess its a chicken and egg type situation because you need to get the LocalBuildInfo
2019-11-19 20:15:21	lukelau	fendor_: just in general
2019-11-19 20:15:37	fendor_	lukelau, in general, this is partly the task of hie-bios. 
2019-11-19 20:15:38	lukelau	at the moment it always passes —with-ghc=/usr/local/bin/ghc or whatever
2019-11-19 20:16:13	lukelau	fendor_: what part of hie-bios?
2019-11-19 20:16:48	fendor_	e.g. if you use cabal cradle, just "ghc" is used to compile the dependencies, afaik
2019-11-19 20:17:16	fendor_	e.g. this script is used to obtain the build flags for a cradle: https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/blob/master/wrappers/cabal
2019-11-19 20:17:33	fendor_	which, as you can see, just calls "ghc".
2019-11-19 20:17:39	lukelau	Yeah i saw that too. it’ll probably need to be fixed for both cabal-helper & cabal cradles
2019-11-19 20:17:55	fendor_	not entirely sure. 
2019-11-19 20:18:06	fendor_	are you sure that c-h uses the ghc on the path?
2019-11-19 20:18:36	lukelau	it explicitly sets it via some cabal programdb thing
2019-11-19 20:18:53	lukelau	search for patchBuildToolProgs
2019-11-19 20:19:21	lukelau	where the progs come from guessCompProgramPaths
2019-11-19 20:20:35	fendor_	and guessCompProgramPaths does not read the cabal.project or cabal.project.local?
2019-11-19 20:21:23	mpickering	It's incorrect to look at cabal.project.info though.. 
2019-11-19 20:21:49	mpickering	the version of the compiler is the version of hie that you are using to build the project
2019-11-19 20:22:04	lukelau	fendor_: no
2019-11-19 20:22:19	lukelau	mpickering: i had that thought too at some point
2019-11-19 20:22:42	lukelau	is it enough to just assume that if ghc is on the path, ghc-x.y.z is also on the path?
2019-11-19 20:23:06	lukelau	so that we can replace the calls to “ghc” with “ghc-” <> GLASGOW_HASKELL_VERSION
2019-11-19 20:23:10	fendor_	if we are using hie-wrapper, we need to know which hie version to start, though.
2019-11-19 20:23:12	lukelau	or whatever the CPP macro is
2019-11-19 20:23:43	mpickering	I think you can assume that lukelau 
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2019-11-20 02:23:27	dxld	lukelau: why do you want to do that?
2019-11-20 02:24:47	dxld	tbh I never considered that something anyone might want to do, since our use case mostly revolves around already having a "ghc" binary or at least specific version in mind when we get to c-h
2019-11-20 02:24:57	lukelau	dxld: it always builds with /usr/local/bin/ghc regardless of with-compiler
2019-11-20 02:25:18	dxld	yeah well hie has to setup ghcProgram correctly :)
2019-11-20 02:25:48	dxld	but I guess that sucks, hmm
2019-11-20 02:25:56	dxld	we need a util for that or something
2019-11-20 02:28:05	dxld	oh, you can just pass ghc-x.y.z and GHC.configure will find one with that version
2019-11-20 02:29:21	dxld	though there is a bug on windows of course: https://github.com/haskell/cabal/pull/6287
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2019-11-20 04:15:50	alanz	mpickering, yay: https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/tree/wip/friday-fixes
2019-11-20 04:16:00	mpickering	Why are we still using zubin's fork for HaRe?
2019-11-20 04:16:40	alanz	Well, I want to bring mine in, now that you have merged haskell-lsp-0.18
2019-11-20 04:16:58	alanz	so I can make sure the hie-plugin-api stuff works as expected, for the tests
2019-11-20 04:17:09	mpickering	ok
2019-11-20 04:17:18	mpickering	Github seems to think there are still conflicts
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2019-11-20 04:17:27	alanz	Which will bring in GHC 8.8.1 support too
2019-11-20 04:17:36	mpickering	oh I can commit with a merge commit
2019-11-20 04:17:44	alanz	conflicts with what? Do you have a URL?
2019-11-20 04:17:49	mpickering	I'm not confident I got the hare submodule switch correct
2019-11-20 04:18:30	alanz	I just edit .gitmodules to change the origin, go into the submodule, check out the branch I want, then commit both those things
2019-11-20 04:19:05	alanz	But now you have done that merge I can take a look. I tried earlier again, but current hie-bios was still not up to date.
2019-11-20 04:19:26	alanz	Your friday-fixes still needs some more commits to get up to speed with hie-bios, I see
2019-11-20 04:20:23	mpickering	I am just merging it
2019-11-20 04:20:31	mpickering	and can deal with the fall out tomorrow if it is broken
2019-11-20 04:20:34	mpickering	the history is a complete mess
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2019-11-20 04:21:06	alanz	8c3c3503ce5bc23e767fbb57be980c9b482c9930 seems to do the right thing
2019-11-20 04:21:08	fendor	yeah for the merge! we are ticking off at least three checks of our list!
2019-11-20 04:22:21	alanz	What is that git prune command again? getting missing references
2019-11-20 04:22:55	alanz	"git remote prune origin"
2019-11-20 04:24:18	mpickering	if you have missing references you might need git submodule sync?
2019-11-20 04:24:24	mpickering	fendor: What is blocking a hie-bios release now?
2019-11-20 04:24:54	fendor	mpickering, documentation, afaik and I would like to talk about https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/60
2019-11-20 04:25:08	alanz	nope, "git remote prune xxxxx" does the job
2019-11-20 04:25:14	fendor	I am not sure if we should take care of this on hie-level or rather hie-bios level
2019-11-20 04:25:15	alanz	And I see hie-bios is now updated too
2019-11-20 04:25:26	mpickering	what documentation do you want to add?
2019-11-20 04:25:28	alanz	Nice, all
2019-11-20 04:25:33	mpickering	this is already by far my best documented project lol
2019-11-20 04:25:57	fendor	mpickering, none, just checking that everything is. More like a check
2019-11-20 04:26:37	fendor	e.g. all hie.yaml configurations possible, etc...
2019-11-20 04:26:44	mpickering	about #60 I am so cautious about this issue as it has not turned out to be a big deal to require people to run the tool in an environment where ghc is available 
2019-11-20 04:26:51	mpickering	nix users have to do it as well
2019-11-20 04:27:11	fendor	but windows users will have a problem imo
2019-11-20 04:27:57	fendor	exposed api in hie-bios should be documented, I looked at every top-level function while doing the haddock docs rework
2019-11-20 04:29:01	fendor	On windows, I have no idea whatsoever on how to even install the correct ghc version. To only have stack installed is not uncommon. In combination with hie-wrapper and vscode, I would not know how to workaround this
2019-11-20 04:29:12	mpickering	I would prefer to fix an actual bug that someone reports rather than a hypothetical situation in a hacky way
2019-11-20 04:29:40	alanz	Hmm, I don't get emails about activity on my own repos. So mpickering branch update on alanz/HaRe was invisible to me :(
2019-11-20 04:29:49	mpickering	because I don't think querying stack for the compiler version is certainly the right way  
2019-11-20 04:29:58	fendor	sure, but I am very certain, this will happen. 
2019-11-20 04:30:04	mpickering	really you don't need any ghc version
2019-11-20 04:30:35	fendor	just any ghc version is enough? 
2019-11-20 04:30:41	mpickering	the reason it's called in the wrapper as it's more robust to pass unknown commands to ghc to answer rather than having to guess what cabal might ask for
2019-11-20 04:30:55	mpickering	cabal queries for the ghc version for example
2019-11-20 04:31:22	fendor	so, what if the ghc on the path is very old? like 7.10?
2019-11-20 04:31:24	mpickering	it also uses that ghc to compile the dependencies I suppose
2019-11-20 04:31:41	mpickering	so I suppose you do actually need the right version
2019-11-20 04:33:32	fendor	I think so, too.
2019-11-20 04:33:46	fendor	We could do some path manipulations (not a fan of that idea)
2019-11-20 04:34:15	mpickering	how do you get the path to the stack compiler?
2019-11-20 04:34:52	fendor	stack path --compiler-exe?
2019-11-20 04:35:08	fendor	yeah,  `--compiler-exe`
2019-11-20 04:35:18	mpickering	because we could just call that before making the wrapper and insert that path instead of `ghc` for the stack cradle
2019-11-20 04:35:23	mpickering	but does it work with `--system-ghc` for example?
2019-11-20 04:35:32	mpickering	there are so many corner cases that I just don't want to think about 
2019-11-20 04:35:42	mpickering	when there is a simple requirement - make sure the ghc you want to use is on your path
2019-11-20 04:35:53	mpickering	and nix users deal with this all the time
2019-11-20 04:35:56	mpickering	gtg
2019-11-20 04:36:06	fendor	`stack --system-ghc path --compiler-exe` seems to work
2019-11-20 04:36:31	fendor	nix users are kind of experts when it comes to path manipulation. 
2019-11-20 04:36:42	fendor	a lot of windows users, at least that I know, are not
2019-11-20 04:36:46	fendor	let's say some
2019-11-20 04:36:57	fendor	same applies to linux users
2019-11-20 04:37:21	fendor	and if they have stack, there should be a straight forward way to make hie work.
2019-11-20 04:37:34	alanz	I think you can throw a resolver in there too, or even a ghc version
2019-11-20 04:38:05	fendor	you definitely can add a resolver
2019-11-20 04:38:30	alanz	stack --resolver=nightly path --compiler-exe
2019-11-20 04:38:44	alanz	which complains that 8.8.1 is not tested
2019-11-20 04:41:05	fendor	it would also be possible to make hie-bios look for an env-var, such as HIE_BIOS_GHC that we set in hie and defaults to ghc.
2019-11-20 04:41:49	fendor	then hie would have the burden to find the right ghc version and hie-bios is more general
2019-11-20 04:42:31	alanz	mpickering, lots of codeactions test failures
2019-11-20 04:43:04	alanz	https://gist.github.com/alanz/7a0d77ac3dadad52aa5d87b99fc87f28
2019-11-20 04:58:24	fendor	we will fix these tomorrow or later this week. 
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2019-11-20 05:01:13	alanz	ok. I am starting to work on my HaRe branch (ghc-8.8-hie-bios) to match this 
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2019-11-21 04:21:07	mpickering	It occurred to me I have two repos prefixed with `hie` on my github page now and they are not related to each other at all
2019-11-21 04:34:24	alanz	hie-bios and?
2019-11-21 04:35:03	alanz	mpickering, I presume we will (eventually) use them in hie
2019-11-21 04:36:20	mpickering	hie-lsif
2019-11-21 04:38:18	mpickering	which is what I am currently trying to cut a releae for
2019-11-21 04:40:00	alanz	Yes, and that is also a misnomer now, given its general usefulness. Anyway
2019-11-21 04:40:18	alanz	I have removed the cruft you don't like, and made HaRe workable in: https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/61
2019-11-21 04:41:23	mpickering	nice
2019-11-21 04:42:43	alanz	and I am just checking if it stil compiles with GHC 8.8.1
2019-11-21 04:42:55	alanz	need to --allow-newer in cabal new-configure though
2019-11-21 05:04:24	alanz	And with some minor tweaks I can confirm hie-plugin-api compiles with GHC 8.8.1
2019-11-21 05:04:34	alanz	Will sort out HaRe tomorrow, for that
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2019-11-21 08:27:35	lukelau	an idea for downloading hie binaries directly within the vscode extension: https://lukelau.me/hie-dist/demo.mov
2019-11-21 08:29:29	lukelau	i’m thinking it should first run hie-wrapper to return what version of hie is needed, and then download those specific binaries as needed
2019-11-21 08:29:44	lukelau	it downloads it into a specific storage for the extension
2019-11-21 08:30:46	lukelau	https://youtu.be/AaBpfnEuNbw
2019-11-21 11:03:37	jneira	it would be amazing!
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2019-11-21 12:53:57	jneira_	There are quite pending issues using vim/neovim :-/
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2019-11-21 14:19:30	mpickering	how do other language servers do it?
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2019-11-21 14:36:09	reactormonk	I built the newest HIE from hie-bios, added a cradle to use cabal (when I used stack, it crashed by not finding the other packages in the same repo), and now I get a ghc linker error.
2019-11-21 14:36:25	reactormonk	How can I synthesize the commands vscode sends to the language server?
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2019-11-21 14:43:27	reactormonk	"panic! (the 'impossible' happened)\n (GHC version 8.6.4 for x86_64-unknown-linux):\n\tDynamic linker not initialised\n\nPlease report this as a GHC bug: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/reportabug\n"
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2019-11-21 15:23:34	jneira_	reactormonk could be a issue with the ghc version you are using? did you try `cabal repl` in the project root? 
2019-11-21 15:25:21	reactormonk	jneira_, currently running cabal v2-build on it, seems to be doing somewhat fine
2019-11-21 15:27:31	reactormonk	jneira_, https://github.com/input-output-hk/plutus/tree/hie-bios + nix-shell to setup the env (if you set up the iohk hydra stuff, no compilation should be required)
2019-11-21 15:36:49	jneira_	afaik the cabal cradle does a call to ghc with `--interactive`(and more arguments), a test could be locate the actual ghc arguments used by the cradle in `$TEMP/hie.log`and make a direct call with those args to check if it throws the same error 
2019-11-21 15:37:53	jneira_	an example of the output of ghc args in the hie.log: https://gist.github.com/bubba/c98a5455c2766d2a66eb2622b76cf296#file-gistfile1-txt-L33
2019-11-21 15:39:43	reactormonk	How do I find $TEMP?
2019-11-21 15:41:55	jneira_	mmm sorry that is in windows, in linux would be the value of $TMPDIR?
2019-11-21 15:42:32	jneira_	`/tmp` or something alike i suppose
2019-11-21 15:43:57	reactormonk	Nothing in there, that's why I'm wondering
2019-11-21 15:43:57	jneira_	maybe something that is using linux + nix-shell may help you better :-/
2019-11-21 15:44:45	jneira_	anyway, `cabal repl` works?
2019-11-21 15:45:31	reactormonk	Yeah, currently also testing new-repl
2019-11-21 15:46:26	jneira_	:thinking: 
2019-11-21 15:46:55	reactormonk	Yup, new-repl works
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2019-11-21 15:50:53	jneira_	mmm where is the output of `ghc -e "System.Directory.getTemporaryDirectory >>= print"`, i would swear that hie.log should be in the default temp dir (`/tmp`or `/var/tmp`)
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2019-11-21 15:51:25	jneira_	`ghc -e "System.Directory.getTemporaryDirectory"` works too :-)
2019-11-21 15:52:08	reactormonk	I looked for hie.log everywhere on my filesystem, found nothing
2019-11-21 15:52:21	reactormonk	I'm using vscode, maybe I gotta tell it to actually procude logging output?
2019-11-21 15:52:33	reactormonk	Yeah, the result is /tmp
2019-11-21 15:53:53	jneira_	yeah set the option to verbose in vscode would help
2019-11-21 15:54:17	jneira_	and check/set the option of log file location
2019-11-21 15:56:38	reactormonk	Yeah, got a hold of it. Nice.
2019-11-21 15:57:37	reactormonk	https://gist.github.com/reactormonk/550dc2765d5bcb5c8beef13a9aba0fc3
2019-11-21 15:58:37	mpickering	reactormonk: Can you try compiling hie with `-dynamic`?
2019-11-21 16:00:01	reactormonk	mpickering, I think that's already done https://github.com/Infinisil/all-hies/blob/master/default.nix#L76
2019-11-21 16:00:31	jneira_	Thank goodness, the cavalry has arrived. :-D
2019-11-21 16:00:40	mpickering	Is this project using plugins?
2019-11-21 16:01:58	mpickering	and also perhaps try without `-dynamic` :) ?
2019-11-21 16:02:09	mpickering	We are typically not using it 
2019-11-21 16:02:15	reactormonk	I don't think so. https://github.com/input-output-hk/plutus/blob/master/cabal.project / https://github.com/input-output-hk/plutus/blob/master/plutus-contract/plutus-contract.cabal
2019-11-21 16:02:21	reactormonk	Sure, can do
2019-11-21 16:02:48	mpickering	jneira_: Did you try to reproduce?
2019-11-21 16:04:02	jneira_	no sorry, no linux nor nix here, in windows i never saw that compiler panic
2019-11-21 16:06:21	jneira_	but the error throun make sense for any of you: `undefined symbol: ghc_CoreMonad_zdfApplicativeCoreM7_closure`?
2019-11-21 16:06:57	jneira_	it seems base package is not being (dynamically?) linked
2019-11-21 16:11:37	mpickering	yeah, looks like there is some mismatch
2019-11-21 16:21:07	reactormonk	I set HIE and HIE wrapper path manually in vscode, I hope that's enough
2019-11-21 16:22:15	reactormonk	Same error though
2019-11-21 16:31:26	michaelpj	that project does use plugins
2019-11-21 16:32:13	reactormonk	I compiled HIE externally via `stack --stack-yaml stack-8.6.4.yaml build --ghc-options="-dynamic"`
2019-11-21 16:32:45	michaelpj	I wouldn't have thought it required *HIE* to be compiled with -dynamic. It should just require *our* project to be compiled with dynamic linking
2019-11-21 16:33:12	michaelpj	(AFAIK plugins don't work with static linking because they load the plugin modules dynamically)
2019-11-21 16:35:22	mpickering	I can't comment whether that does the right thing reactormonk 
2019-11-21 16:36:23	mpickering	projects with plugins work with normal setups
2019-11-21 16:36:37	mpickering	so there could be some combination of nix and plugins which is broken
2019-11-21 16:36:41	reactormonk	mpickering, looks like it does, according to ps
2019-11-21 16:37:06	mpickering	Didn't I suggest compiling it without `-dynamic`?
2019-11-21 16:37:21	mpickering	If you said the one you were using before was `-dynamic`
2019-11-21 16:37:38	reactormonk	argh
2019-11-21 16:38:36	reactormonk	Ok, got one without -dynamic
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2019-11-21 16:43:14	reactormonk	Now the weird part - the symbol exists: https://gist.github.com/reactormonk/d81bd298e39b9abbcfa4626a56c8d568
2019-11-21 16:43:19	reactormonk	(via nm)
2019-11-21 17:06:53	lukelau	mpickering: they wouldn’t, but this downloading the binary method of installation seems to be used by the vscode c++ language extension
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2019-11-21 17:14:37	jneira_	wow i am getting `Error: Connection got disposed.`with latest hie-bios branch
2019-11-21 17:14:46	jneira_	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/2699c0691e517d5fde513228b1f5d811/pasted.txt
2019-11-21 17:15:12	jneira_	in a cabal based project with a compilation error
2019-11-21 17:17:33	jneira_	the hie process crashes just after `Modules in the cradle: ["lib\\CabalTestLib.hs"]` but when i do a hover in that opened file
2019-11-21 17:18:38	jneira_	i mean:  until i do the hover the server doesnt crash (or dont log the crash)
2019-11-21 17:20:02	mpickering	not sure what that error means?
2019-11-21 17:20:06	mpickering	does it mean the server crashed?
2019-11-21 17:20:19	jneira_	yeah, it seems so
2019-11-21 17:21:11	jneira_	the log shows a `[Info  - 12:39:12] Connection to server got closed. Server will restart.`
2019-11-21 17:21:48	mpickering	then it reloads or
2019-11-21 17:21:49	mpickering	?
2019-11-21 17:21:54	mpickering	I can't understand where the crash is in the log
2019-11-21 17:22:56	jneira_	yeah it reloads and crashes again when i do a hover
2019-11-21 17:23:41	jneira_	the log contains the message i pasted above: `Connection to server got closed. Server will restart`
2019-11-21 17:23:53	mpickering	But there's no error message on the server crashing?
2019-11-21 17:24:52	jneira_	nope :-/
2019-11-21 17:28:50	jneira_	i've installed today 7c206de7 (the latest commit of hie-bios)
2019-11-21 17:29:29	jneira_	i am gonna test a previous one to check if it is caused by some code change
2019-11-21 17:29:32	mpickering	you mean haskell-ide-engine?
2019-11-21 17:29:54	mpickering	apparently there were quite a few failing tests after I merged the friday fixes branch
2019-11-21 17:30:13	jneira_	yeah haskell-ide-engine hiebios branch
2019-11-21 17:31:29	mpickering	I would try before the friday fixed branch
2019-11-21 17:31:33	mpickering	was merged
2019-11-21 17:32:32	fendor	17 test-failures. https://app.circleci.com/jobs/github/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/10816/tests 
2019-11-21 17:32:42	fendor	not that bad, imo
2019-11-21 17:32:55	fendor	I will get to it after friday noon
2019-11-21 17:41:47	jneira_	i can confirm that 924de7c5b works
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2019-11-21 17:48:33	reactormonk	Can confirm I get the same error with 924de7c5b over here :-(
2019-11-21 17:50:47	fendor	mixed feelings about this
2019-11-21 17:53:33	jneira_	reactormonk you mean the error with dynamic right?
2019-11-21 17:54:28	jneira_	also i dont have C:\TEMP\hie.log with the vscode log location option empty
2019-11-21 17:54:46	jneira_	hir doesnt even create the file
2019-11-21 17:54:48	jneira_	*hie
2019-11-21 17:59:08	reactormonk	jneira_, yeah, gotta put something in the log location
2019-11-21 17:59:15	reactormonk	jneira_, yeap, the linky thingy
2019-11-21 18:00:48	jneira_	:+1:
2019-11-21 18:04:36	jneira_	mpickering: you are right the commit 4c5308b5 just before merging friday-fixes works too
2019-11-21 18:05:41	jneira_	and likely the fix of shadowing names are not caused the crash
2019-11-21 18:07:30	mpickering	so the merge commit was bad?
2019-11-21 18:08:10	jneira_	i think so, at least in my windows 7 system
2019-11-21 18:37:51	mpickering	if there is a concrete error it will be much easier to debug
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2019-11-22 13:57:47	reactormonk	The stack cradle doesn't seem to be working well with multi-project. Should I open an issue?
2019-11-22 13:57:56	reactormonk	Aka it doesn't find the other projects.
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2019-11-22 14:18:37	mpickering	How are you expecting it to work?
2019-11-22 14:18:53	mpickering	I would not advise using stack with multi or using stack at all
2019-11-22 14:19:50	mpickering	I also don't think multiple component support will work well on your project
2019-11-22 14:31:28	reactormonk	mpickering, because the crade is on toplevel of the project, I'd expect it to find all the other projects. I guess stack is being executed in the subproject only?
2019-11-22 14:31:43	reactormonk	hover works fine, goto-def not really :-(
2019-11-22 14:32:57	mpickering	Go to Def is not expected to work across components
2019-11-22 14:33:12	mpickering	It has been hard enough getting one component to work reliably
2019-11-22 14:33:32	mpickering	ghcide is the hope to fix this
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2019-11-22 14:40:10	reactormonk	Hm. Would it work if I created a single-component stack.yaml which just smashes all of the source into one component with some creative use of source paths?
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2019-11-22 14:43:24	mpickering	reactormonk: That could work
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2019-11-22 16:16:43	jneira_	good morning fendor, i've added an new issue and a pr to fix an previous one :-P  
2019-11-22 16:17:01	jneira_	(to be balanced)
2019-11-22 16:18:31	fendor	jneira_, good morning to you, too!
2019-11-22 16:19:37	fendor	I've read them, thank you for this much detail! i will look at it later this day! 
2019-11-22 16:20:24	jneira_	:+1:
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2019-11-22 17:18:20	jneira_	mpickering: i am writing an `hadrian\hie-bios.bat`to try load ghc in hie, maybe i could do a pr if you think it is interesting
2019-11-22 17:18:46	mpickering	sure, the bios cradle only really works on linux at the moment
2019-11-22 17:19:21	mpickering	Do you think there's a way to support windows and linux with the bios cradle?
2019-11-22 17:19:27	mpickering	Perhaps an optional argument for the windows specific script?
2019-11-22 17:21:53	jneira_	mmm it think it would work out of the box if the script prints out the list of arguments
2019-11-22 17:22:12	jneira_	but maybe it needs a wrapper like the cabal one?
2019-11-22 17:24:01	jneira_	dont worry..i'll investigate it
2019-11-22 17:25:34	mpickering	jneira_: The problem is you need a different script on windows and linux?
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2019-11-22 19:12:01	jneira_	yeah, but i could have a custom hie.yaml with the windows script
2019-11-22 19:15:31	jneira_	i had to add `--configure` to `hadrian/hie-bios`, is it not needed in linux?
2019-11-22 19:15:47	mpickering	no it is
2019-11-22 19:15:51	mpickering	but you run it manually before
2019-11-22 19:15:56	mpickering	`./configure`
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2019-11-25 14:43:15	jneira_	Not sure if i should open an issue to improve the behavior of hie (hie-bios branch) when opening a module of a component fails cause a component on whic it depends has an error
2019-11-25 14:43:32	jneira_	or wait after merging hie-bios :-/
2019-11-25 14:44:47	jneira_	with master using stack hie nicely shows the concrete error in the file of the parent component (even if you haven not opened) and you can fix it simply clicking int he eror shown
2019-11-25 14:48:16	jneira_	with hie-bios the cradle init fails and an obscure message (for a common user) is shown as an alert in the editor: `CradleError (ExitFailure 2) "Could not obtain flags for D:\\ws\\haskell\\cabal-test\\src\\Main.hs"`
2019-11-25 14:49:22	jneira_	or `"cannot satisfy -package-id stack-test-0.1.0.0-73xUn6TuFvs4BD1QAaTRw6\n    (use -v for more information)"` for `Cabal-Helper-V2-Stack`gradle
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2019-11-25 15:01:10	jneira_	opened but noting that i think it should not block merging
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2019-11-25 18:08:22	jneira_	mpickering: i've got an additional error when hie crashes with hie-bios branch: https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/64#issuecomment-558136150
2019-11-25 18:08:39	jneira_	maybe it could give you a clue about the cause
2019-11-25 18:08:52	jneira_	`hie.exe: File not found in VFS: NormalizedUri "file:///D:/ws/haskell/cabal-test/lib/CabalTestLib.hs"VFS {vfsMap = fromList [(NormalizedUri "file:///d:/ws/haskell/cabal-test/lib/CabalTestLib.hs",VirtualFile {_version = 1, _text = Rope {unrope = Fork Leaf "{-# LANGUAGE OverloadedStrings #-}\r\nmodule CabalTestLib where\r\n\r\nimport
2019-11-25 18:08:53	jneira_	Network.HTTP.Types.URI\r\nimport qualified Data.ByteString.Char8 as BS\r\n\r\nurlEncoded :: BS.ByteString\r\nurlEncoded = BS.pack \"Hi\"" Leaf (Position {codeUnits = 198, rowColumn = RowColumn {row = 7, column = 25}})}})], vfsTempDir = "C:\\TEMP\\haskell-lsp8796"}`
2019-11-25 18:10:06	jneira_	`C:\\TEMP\\haskell-lsp8796` is a directory and it exists
2019-11-25 18:10:15	jneira_	but it is empty
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2019-11-25 19:28:53	mpickering	jneira_: Perhaps you can see the issue
2019-11-25 19:29:03	mpickering	NormalizedUri "file:///D:/ws/haskell/cabal-test/lib/CabalTestLib.hs"VFS {vfsMap = fromList [(NormalizedUri "file:///d:/ws/haskell/cabal-test/lib/CabalTestLib.hs",
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2019-11-25 19:29:18	mpickering	The key has a capital `D` and the map uses `d`?
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2019-11-25 22:58:08	lukelau	alanz does HaRe have a hie as a git submodule?
2019-11-25 22:58:10	lukelau	Cloning into '/Users/luke/Source/haskell-ide-engine/submodules/HaRe/submodules/haskell-ide-engine/submodules/HaRe/submodules/haskell-ide-engine/submodules/HaRe/submodules/ghc-mod'...
2019-11-25 22:58:13	lukelau	lol
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2019-11-25 23:20:27	mpickering	lukelau: Yes it does
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2019-11-26 02:42:09	alanz	lukelau, that recursive thing should go away when we finally get hie-plugin-api and hie-bios published as standalone packages
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2019-11-26 03:37:36	lukelau	mpickering fendor seeing multiple “new cradles” for a file means somethings going on right?
2019-11-26 03:37:54	fendor	lukelau, yes, more than once for a single file
2019-11-26 03:38:26	fendor	normally that means that either there could not be a unit found for a file or the compilation failed 
2019-11-26 03:38:39	lukelau	it’s for a direct cradle
2019-11-26 03:39:36	fendor	that probably means that after a compilation, the module was not in the modulegraph and thus not cached
2019-11-26 03:39:46	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/448acb11c22150bf0c9be94db6d73829
2019-11-26 03:39:54	lukelau	would this be expected?
2019-11-26 03:40:13	lukelau	the module is just a standalone file with `main = return 42`
2019-11-26 03:41:11	fendor	no, i would not say that this is expected.
2019-11-26 03:41:50	lukelau	will take a quick look
2019-11-26 03:44:51	fendor	lukelau, can you use -d?
2019-11-26 03:45:16	fendor	there is a debug message "Modules in the cradle" that would show us which modules are in the module graph
2019-11-26 03:46:13	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/0caf875355ca782c605fe265d243bd7e
2019-11-26 03:46:18	lukelau	modules in the cradle is []
2019-11-26 03:46:48	fendor	also, loadFile:2 /Users/luke/Source/lsp-test/test/data
2019-11-26 03:46:56	fendor	which seems incorrect, iirc
2019-11-26 03:47:09	fendor	but it gets a typechecked module
2019-11-26 03:47:32	lukelau	is that not supposed to be the directory?
2019-11-26 03:47:36	lukelau	```
2019-11-26 03:47:38	lukelau	loadFileWithMessage msg file = do
2019-11-26 03:47:38	lukelau	  dir <- liftIO $ getCurrentDirectory
2019-11-26 03:47:39	lukelau	  Log.debugm $ "loadFile:2 " ++ dir
2019-11-26 03:47:40	lukelau	``
2019-11-26 03:48:05	fendor	ok, yeah, then I did not recall correctly 
2019-11-26 03:51:25	lukelau	the cache is this when getCradle is called `GhcModuleCache {cradleCache = Data.Trie.fromList [], uriCaches = fromList [("/Users/luke/Source/lsp-test/test/data/refactor/Main.hs",UriCacheSuccess UriCache { cachedTcMod, cachedData { fromList [] } })], currentCradle = Just ([],Cradle {cradleRootDir = "/Users/luke/Source/lsp-test/test/data", cradleOptsProg = CradleAction: direct})}`
2019-11-26 03:51:51	fendor	yeah, if "Modules in the cradle: []" then the cache entry will be definitely empty
2019-11-26 03:52:50	lukelau	should the list of directories be empty?
2019-11-26 03:53:30	fendor	what is the list of directores? cradleCache?
2019-11-26 03:54:01	lukelau	the first part of the `currentCradle` tuple
2019-11-26 03:54:37	mpickering	The list should contain a single filepath
2019-11-26 03:54:38	fendor	no, it should not be. 
2019-11-26 03:54:45	fendor	yeah, exactly. 
2019-11-26 03:54:59	mpickering	lukelau: Does your direct cradle list the targets?
2019-11-26 03:55:13	lukelau	mpickering: no
2019-11-26 03:55:22	mpickering	If you list the targets does it work?
2019-11-26 03:55:26	lukelau	let me check
2019-11-26 03:55:30	lukelau	how would that look like
2019-11-26 03:55:58	mpickering	Just add the filepath as an extra argument
2019-11-26 03:56:10	mpickering	or the name of the module
2019-11-26 03:57:28	lukelau	Yup that works
2019-11-26 03:57:38	fendor	yeah :confetti:
2019-11-26 03:58:00	lukelau	should the module name not be picked up from the document lsp is working on though
2019-11-26 03:58:17	lukelau	since i have this hie.yaml set to direct that i want to use for multiple files
2019-11-26 03:58:52	fendor	lukelau, no, we are not inferring anything.
2019-11-26 03:59:33	fendor	mpickering, we did not decide on a course of action for https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/60 right? 
2019-11-26 04:00:53	mpickering	The module graph is created from the targets that are inferred straight after the initialisation
2019-11-26 04:00:57	mpickering	of the cradle
2019-11-26 04:01:20	mpickering	perhaps we should always add the current file as a target
2019-11-26 04:01:27	fendor	lukelau, but if you want to use the same hie.yaml for multiple files, how about a multi cradle? You can specify custom flags for each file
2019-11-26 04:01:56	mpickering	it will still initialise the cradle each time
2019-11-26 04:01:59	mpickering	not really ideal
2019-11-26 04:02:03	mpickering	fendor: I don't know the answer
2019-11-26 04:02:10	mpickering	because I don't want to implement the wrong thing
2019-11-26 04:03:23	fendor	mpickering, reasonable, we could try to work around it in hie, but then we need some kind of hook into hie-bios
2019-11-26 04:06:29	mpickering	If you specify a design you think will work then we can work on it
2019-11-26 04:06:36	mpickering	but I am so unsure I can't think of a design even
2019-11-26 04:06:47	mpickering	I have been quite poor programming the last month or so I feel
2019-11-26 04:07:32	fendor	how about an env variable that sets the path to the ghc to use? Hie could take care of selecting the right ghc version and hie-bios could default to its previous behaviour
2019-11-26 04:08:02	mpickering	that's not a bad idea
2019-11-26 04:08:29	fendor	I disagree with your feelings :P
2019-11-26 04:08:42	mpickering	but how does h-i-e know to set it properly?
2019-11-26 04:09:37	fendor	either from cabal.project.local or stack path --compiler-exe
2019-11-26 04:09:39	mpickering	couldn't we "fix" this problem by using the cabal-helper stack support if the user specifies the stack cradle?
2019-11-26 04:10:44	mpickering	I consider the hie-bios stack cradle to be a bit broken anyway
2019-11-26 04:11:05	mpickering	it would be better probably if we just didn't pass a filepath
2019-11-26 04:11:08	fendor	uhm... actually... maybe? probably
2019-11-26 04:14:21	mpickering	I think I will do that and change the stack cradle to have an optional component so you can use it like the cabal cradle
2019-11-26 04:14:25	mpickering	I suspect that will work much better
2019-11-26 04:19:58	mpickering	how about this
2019-11-26 04:20:08	mpickering	in the stack cradle
2019-11-26 04:20:27	mpickering	we just call `stack --compiler-exe` and then use that in the wrapper
2019-11-26 04:20:59	mpickering	given I have never used stack, I have spent an awful lot of effort trying to support it
2019-11-26 04:22:45	fendor	mpickering, yeah, I think that would work
2019-11-26 04:23:28	mpickering	So changes to the stack cradle
2019-11-26 04:23:51	mpickering	1. Call `--compiler-exe` before running `stack repl`
2019-11-26 04:23:58	mpickering	2. By default don't pass a path to `stack repl`
2019-11-26 04:24:13	mpickering	3. Add an optional component like the `cabal` cradle
2019-11-26 04:24:32	mpickering	4(?) Do some simple parsing of the ghci script file to find the initial targets
2019-11-26 04:24:57	fendor	sounds great! I can take on some of these tasks after Thursday. 
2019-11-26 04:25:06	fendor	why the ghci script, though? what is that?
2019-11-26 04:25:32	mpickering	The ghci script is a sequence of ghci commands whcih run when then repl starts
2019-11-26 04:25:47	mpickering	so stack does `:add Foo Bar Baz` to specify the targets
2019-11-26 04:25:56	mpickering	rather than list them on the command line like cabal
2019-11-26 04:26:17	fendor	ah
2019-11-26 04:26:34	fendor	and that is specified somewhere?
2019-11-26 04:27:18	mpickering	On the command line there is a flag `-ghci-script`
2019-11-26 04:27:41	mpickering	So after you load the flags you can look in `DynFlags` for these scripts and add any `:add` or `:load` commands as initial targets
2019-11-26 04:30:38	fendor	yeah, that makes sense. 
2019-11-26 04:31:20	fendor	ok, then I add these three things to the todo list
2019-11-26 04:32:48	mpickering	I thought this would be a bit hacky but you literally just read a file and find all lines starting with these two commands
2019-11-26 04:32:53	mpickering	so it doesn't seem that bad
2019-11-26 04:33:15	fendor	a bit hacky, but that is fine, I agree
2019-11-26 04:33:19	mpickering	I had a look at the parsing logic in ghc and it can't really be reused
2019-11-26 04:33:39	mpickering	Have you tried hie master since the friday fixes merge?
2019-11-26 04:33:44	mpickering	as jneira is reporting it broken
2019-11-26 04:34:06	mpickering	lukelau: Which commit are you using?>
2019-11-26 04:34:21	lukelau	41b9cabcff790da4425ed7fab7cfb618e79bfd04
2019-11-26 04:34:51	fendor	mpickering, yeah and it is broken
2019-11-26 04:34:57	mpickering	I see
2019-11-26 04:35:09	mpickering	Is current `haskell-ide-engine` master working?
2019-11-26 04:35:10	fendor	some stuff randomly stops working or responding
2019-11-26 04:35:15	mpickering	interesting
2019-11-26 04:35:21	lukelau	i’m running into some funky module caching issues affecting some of the lsp-test  tests that use hlint
2019-11-26 04:35:51	lukelau	basically hie is now sending back out of date diagnostics for hlint after applying an edit, which doesn’t happen on master
2019-11-26 04:36:07	fendor	current master of hie is working. 
2019-11-26 04:36:27	lukelau	if you want to try it out clone lsp-test and run `cabal run :test:tests -- -m "text document VFS" --fail-fast` whilst hie-bios is installed under "hie"
2019-11-26 04:36:34	mpickering	ok if there is a ticket then I can look at it
2019-11-26 04:37:14	mpickering	so do we think it was a bad merge on my part or friday fixes are broken?
2019-11-26 04:38:35	mpickering	oh hmm I did update some fairly fundamental stuff
2019-11-26 04:39:10	fendor	iirc, I actually tried friday fixes, before the merge from upstream and it worked ok. Maybe a little bit of both?
2019-11-26 04:39:25	mpickering	perhaps because I modified `sendRequest`
2019-11-26 04:39:33	mpickering	to no longer also call `updateDocument`
2019-11-26 04:40:03	fendor	yeah, that could be one thing. But seemingly, hie also just dies in some test-cases
2019-11-26 04:40:58	mpickering	are the test failures consistent?
2019-11-26 04:41:02	mpickering	or is it different ones each time?
2019-11-26 04:43:06	mpickering	the merge commit all looks sensible
2019-11-26 04:43:13	mpickering	so it could be something to do with the changes in haskell-lsp
2019-11-26 04:43:46	fendor	yeah, it could be
2019-11-26 04:45:02	fendor	test failures are somewhat consistent on CI: https://circleci.com/gh/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/10818?utm_campaign=vcs-integration-link&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=github-build-link , https://circleci.com/gh/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/10819?utm_campaign=vcs-integration-link&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=github-build-link
2019-11-26 04:46:59	mpickering	find type-definition of type def in component - TypeDefinition.type definitions
2019-11-26 04:47:25	mpickering	why are all these formatter tests failing
2019-11-26 04:47:56	mpickering	lukelau: What do you mean "hie-bios" is installed under "hie"
2019-11-26 04:48:05	lukelau	like your hie is hie-bios
2019-11-26 04:48:40	mpickering	ah I see
2019-11-26 04:48:46	fendor	mpickering, test-formatters are probably something minor. The "Unexpectedly received diagnostics from the server." are something that need investigation
2019-11-26 04:48:57	lukelau	fendor: i think those are related to what im seeing
2019-11-26 04:49:08	mpickering	so should I look at lsp-test failures?
2019-11-26 04:49:12	mpickering	which is easiest to reproduce?
2019-11-26 04:49:17	lukelau	yeah, there’s only two of em
2019-11-26 04:50:04	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/6d259c4b1032c2e991e5327390f7e46c
2019-11-26 04:50:27	lukelau	apply this patch 
2019-11-26 04:50:32	mpickering	I am building hie one sec
2019-11-26 04:51:50	lukelau	im trying to debug it as well but cabal somehow ended up making containers and binary unbuildable again
2019-11-26 04:51:53	lukelau	so had to nuke ~/.cabal
2019-11-26 04:52:22	lukelau	mpickering: actually hold on that patch is wrong
2019-11-26 04:52:28	fendor	running the appropriate tests should also be easy. Debugging them, not so much, I suspect.
2019-11-26 04:52:34	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/377f3f92bd9650ced5976dac0fe5d849
2019-11-26 04:52:46	mpickering	I expect it to be easy to find the problem once I have a failing test case
2019-11-26 04:53:00	mpickering	however I have been very poor at running the tests 
2019-11-26 04:53:38	mpickering	ah I ran cabal-update and now it is installing a bunch of deps
2019-11-26 04:53:42	fendor	how about: cabal v2-run test:func-test -- -m "FunctionalCodeActions.code actions.hlint suggestions.provides 3.8 code actions"? 
2019-11-26 04:54:00	fendor	that works for me at least
2019-11-26 04:54:09	mpickering	I am trying lsp-test now
2019-11-26 04:54:13	mpickering	then I will try that
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2019-11-26 04:58:21	mpickering	lukelau: So I can just replace the hie there with a direct path to my build?
2019-11-26 04:58:31	lukelau	yup
2019-11-26 04:58:50	mpickering	should my build plan contain haskell-lsp-0.17.0?
2019-11-26 04:59:31	mpickering	ah I was on the wrong commit
2019-11-26 04:59:36	mpickering	now it is building 0.18
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2019-11-26 05:04:24	lukelau	the stack.yaml is outdated i think for lsp-test
2019-11-26 05:09:07	mpickering	ok so I can reproduce the failure
2019-11-26 05:09:11	mpickering	now what does it mean
2019-11-26 05:09:43	lukelau	my guess is that somehow the lint IdeGhcM request  (Greq) is getting the old version of the file
2019-11-26 05:10:25	mpickering	lukelau: What is the test supposed to do exactly?
2019-11-26 05:11:07	lukelau	its testing that lsp-test sends back the didapplyedit notification after receiving an editrequest
2019-11-26 05:11:21	lukelau	but it fails because of the changed behaviour of hlint
2019-11-26 05:11:38	lukelau	so its actually catching something different
2019-11-26 05:11:53	lukelau	the hlint diagnostics should be empty after that edit is applied
2019-11-26 05:12:07	lukelau	but the diagnostics still contain that hint about the brackets
2019-11-26 05:12:17	mpickering	ok so now low level
2019-11-26 05:12:27	mpickering	First it gets the diagnostics back from hie
2019-11-26 05:12:32	mpickering	then sends execute command
2019-11-26 05:12:58	mpickering	hie sends back the didChange response
2019-11-26 05:13:26	lukelau	other way round
2019-11-26 05:13:26	mpickering	then haskell-lsp sends the apply workspace edit request
2019-11-26 05:13:41	lukelau	didchange is sent by the client
2019-11-26 05:14:30	mpickering	I think I know why this is happening
2019-11-26 05:14:33	mpickering	will look tomorrow
2019-11-26 05:14:35	mpickering	good night
2019-11-26 05:14:39	lukelau	night!
2019-11-26 05:14:42	lukelau	im doing a bisect on it atm
2019-11-26 05:15:36	mpickering	ok... good luck with that
2019-11-26 05:15:45	mpickering	the history of that branch was a very bad mess
2019-11-26 05:16:02	mpickering	it would be good to narrow it down before or after haskell-lsp 0.18 though if possible
2019-11-26 05:16:26	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/417197b9529db40ec4ee624b4ff2f301
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2019-11-26 05:17:42	lukelau	piping this through `git bisect`
2019-11-26 05:17:46	mpickering	ok good luck
2019-11-26 05:17:52	mpickering	I have never managed to automate a bisect
2019-11-26 05:18:05	mpickering	post anything you find and I will read scrollback
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2019-11-26 15:16:50	mpickering	I think the bump to haskell-lsp 0.18 is what broke things
2019-11-26 15:22:38	mpickering	I did update two functions for sending diagnostics
2019-11-26 15:22:49	mpickering	in order to fix a potential race
2019-11-26 15:31:04	jneira_	i've investigatin the error i posted in the issue about the crash
2019-11-26 15:31:27	jneira_	and the fix could be in haskell-lsp-types
2019-11-26 15:31:36	jneira_	but i am not sure if it is the origin of the crash
2019-11-26 15:33:05	mpickering	jneira_: If you look at that error
2019-11-26 15:33:17	mpickering	then why does one path have a capital `D` and the other one doesn't?
2019-11-26 15:33:22	jneira_	yeah
2019-11-26 15:33:35	jneira_	i just write a fix in haskell-lsp-types
2019-11-26 15:33:46	jneira_	to make it upper case alway when normalizing
2019-11-26 15:33:53	jneira_	*always
2019-11-26 15:34:12	jneira_	and i am gonna test if that change fix the crash
2019-11-26 15:34:34	jneira_	later i'll investigate why it caused the crash (it should not be)
2019-11-26 15:34:44	jneira_	(if it is the cause)
2019-11-26 15:36:26	jneira_	use uris as map keys has those inconvenients ;-)
2019-11-26 15:36:45	jneira_	filepaths are case insensitive in windows
2019-11-26 15:37:37	jneira_	and theorically you can end with different uris that maps to same file even changing the case somewhere in the path
2019-11-26 15:38:21	jneira_	but well i think that updateing the drive letter will be enough in practice
2019-11-26 16:04:13	mpickering	Should the normalize URI function not deal with this anyway?
2019-11-26 16:17:31	jneira_	with making upper case the drive letter?
2019-11-26 16:21:54	mpickering	yeah, that is part of normalisation?
2019-11-26 16:21:59	mpickering	but I suppose only on windows you should do that
2019-11-26 16:41:48	jneira_	i've included it as part of the normalization, only for windows: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/compare/master...jneira:driverup?expand=1
2019-11-26 16:50:38	mpickering	Needs a comment
2019-11-26 16:52:51	jneira_	:+1:
2019-11-26 16:56:27	jneira_	https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8089#page-13: it comments that an usage is converting drive letters to uppercase (no required, only a comment)
2019-11-26 16:56:59	jneira_	so we are in sync with the standar :-D
2019-11-26 16:58:12	mpickering	I swear most of programming is fixing the same thing 100s of people must have fixed before
2019-11-26 17:14:01	jneira_	starting with bill gates when implemented msdos 1.0 :-P
2019-11-26 17:16:12	jneira_	null pointer is nothing compared with \r\n instead \n and C:\path instead /c/path
2019-11-26 17:47:39	jneira_	i wonder why Language.Haskell.LSP.Types.Uri is not using System.Filepath.normalise before convert to/from an URI
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2019-11-26 18:04:33	jneira_	i think i'd use FP.normalise, maybe someone can expose the caveats in the pr
2019-11-26 18:34:48	jneira_	oh, relative paths to cwd are not representables (following the standard) as uris :-/
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2019-11-26 19:28:31	mpickering	lukelau: Who is responsible for the document versions, is it the client or the language server?
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2019-11-26 19:40:09	mpickering	I found what the problem is anyway so now we need to discuss how to fix it 
2019-11-26 19:40:39	mpickering	basically the "version" is meaningless as it resets to 0 under certain situations
2019-11-26 19:41:06	mpickering	yeah that fixed the test
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2019-11-26 20:59:44	lukelau	mpickering: i think i saw that line of code, under didsavetextdocument?
2019-11-26 20:59:56	lukelau	i was assuming that the version inside the VFS was separate from the LFS document version
2019-11-26 21:00:08	lukelau	both are responsible for it i think
2019-11-26 21:11:30	mpickering	It seems like an LSP thing?
2019-11-26 21:11:46	mpickering	But what does it mean if two distinct documents can have the same version
2019-11-26 21:11:59	lukelau	nothing
2019-11-26 21:12:02	lukelau	?
2019-11-26 21:12:20	lukelau	the version is just a tag to say what iteration the document is at since opening
2019-11-26 21:13:01	lukelau	i cant remember if textdocumentdidchange notification should increment it or applytextedit should
2019-11-26 21:13:07	lukelau	but there is logic inside hie for it anyway
2019-11-26 21:14:35	mpickering	The problem was in haskell-lsp there was the assumption that if the version is the same then the document is the same
2019-11-26 21:14:52	mpickering	because we wanted to give deterministic filenames to all the temporary files
2019-11-26 21:16:48	lukelau	as in the filenames have the version appended to it?
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2019-11-26 21:17:27	lukelau	Is VirtualFile.version supposed to mirror the LFS version by the way?
2019-11-26 21:18:04	mpickering	well I was under the impression they were supposed to be the same
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2019-11-26 21:19:36	mpickering	If you look at `changeFromClientVFS` then the answer is yes
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2019-11-26 21:22:10	mpickering	In this test I see this sequence of events
2019-11-26 21:22:34	lukelau	what does updateDocument do?
2019-11-26 21:23:02	lukelau	Inside LspStdio.hs the handler for notdidsavetextdocument calls it with 0
2019-11-26 21:23:17	mpickering	yeah I don't know why
2019-11-26 21:23:50	lukelau	I don’t think thats correct
2019-11-26 21:24:09	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/NfYQvMaF/
2019-11-26 21:24:16	mpickering	What is this sequence doing?
2019-11-26 21:24:40	mpickering	`ExecuteCommand` is called
2019-11-26 21:24:50	mpickering	and then the server responds with `didChange` but with version 0
2019-11-26 21:25:07	mpickering	and then the same change is applied again by `WorkspaceEdit`
2019-11-26 21:25:29	lukelau	executecommand is called by the client to execute a command, in this case the apply-refact one? and thats the response from hie in that snippet
2019-11-26 21:25:44	lukelau	those two requests are logged in the wrong order
2019-11-26 21:25:55	lukelau	i think lsp-test is doing something stupid with printing them
2019-11-26 21:26:20	lukelau	the applyedit is sent from the server to the client, the client then sends the textDocument/didChange notification to the server
2019-11-26 21:27:17	mpickering	https://github.com/Microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues/10
2019-11-26 21:27:43	mpickering	The purpose of the version is just to make sure `applyEdit` is applied to the right version
2019-11-26 21:30:22	lukelau	im also just noticing the scheduler has another map of documents to versions
2019-11-26 21:30:47	mpickering	Yeah that is what the `updateDocument` call does
2019-11-26 21:30:51	mpickering	as you probably discovered
2019-11-26 21:30:57	lukelau	good lord
2019-11-26 21:31:10	mpickering	I am not sure what the purpose of the version in the VFS is
2019-11-26 21:31:13	mpickering	perhaps it isn't used anywhere
2019-11-26 21:31:51	lukelau	looks like it still is used
2019-11-26 21:32:42	mpickering	Where?
2019-11-26 21:36:29	lukelau	line 358 of scheduler.hs
2019-11-26 21:36:37	lukelau	reads from the docVersionTVar
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2019-11-26 21:37:34	reactormonk	I have an HIE bios instance that's stuck on "initializing cradle" - I'm currently running on the test component. The lib component works just fine.
2019-11-26 21:38:04	mpickering	lukelau: That's the other one?
2019-11-26 21:38:17	mpickering	I just deleted the version field  from the VFS
2019-11-26 21:38:26	mpickering	and it was used in exactly two plaes
2019-11-26 21:38:47	lukelau	docVersionTVar is initialized to documentVersions on line 151
2019-11-26 21:38:51	mpickering	1. The temporary filename 2. in CodeActions
2019-11-26 21:39:17	lukelau	oh sorry i thought you were talking about the scheduler document version map
2019-11-26 21:39:19	lukelau	never mind
2019-11-26 21:39:35	mpickering	No, I suspect that is actually used
2019-11-26 21:40:03	lukelau	yeah the VFS version I don’t see the need for. seeing as the file should always point to the latest version?
2019-11-26 21:40:44	mpickering	the temporary file?
2019-11-26 21:40:48	lukelau	yeah
2019-11-26 21:40:59	mpickering	the problem is that once you start giving a filepath to someone they might open it
2019-11-26 21:41:02	mpickering	so you can't just update it
2019-11-26 21:41:21	lukelau	do the vfs updates not happen on the ghc request queue
2019-11-26 21:41:27	lukelau	or one of them
2019-11-26 21:41:37	mpickering	No
2019-11-26 21:41:56	mpickering	They all happen in haskell-lsp
2019-11-26 21:43:04	lukelau	what did you change so far to fix the test?
2019-11-26 21:43:33	mpickering	I changed `persistFileVFS` in `haskell-lsp`
2019-11-26 21:43:49	mpickering	To always write the file even if it already exists
2019-11-26 21:44:04	mpickering	because what was happening is that two files at version 0 had different contents
2019-11-26 21:44:14	mpickering	and it wasn't writing the new one when asked to persist it
2019-11-26 21:44:17	mpickering	as it assumed it already had
2019-11-26 21:44:54	mpickering	We could make the version number in haskell-lsp monotonic to fix this
2019-11-26 21:45:01	mpickering	and hide it from the interface
2019-11-26 21:45:12	mpickering	The usage in `CodeActions` looks quite suspect
2019-11-26 21:45:54	lukelau	how so
2019-11-26 21:46:18	lukelau	oh wait i see now
2019-11-26 21:47:41	lukelau	so LSP doesn’t send the version of the document with codeaction requests
2019-11-26 21:48:04	mpickering	does it not?
2019-11-26 21:48:07	lukelau	no
2019-11-26 21:48:15	lukelau	https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specifications/specification-3-15/#textDocument_codeAction
2019-11-26 21:48:24	lukelau	so i presume this is manually grabbing it
2019-11-26 21:48:26	mpickering	It makes a VersionedTextDocumentIdentifier though
2019-11-26 21:48:45	mpickering	Of you mean the client doesn't send it
2019-11-26 21:48:58	lukelau	Yeah the latter
2019-11-26 21:49:11	lukelau	And for some reason CodeActionProvider takes a versionedtextdocumentidentifier
2019-11-26 21:49:57	lukelau	Going to change it to a regular textdocumentidentifier, see what breaks
2019-11-26 21:50:38	mpickering	What is a "Code Action"?
2019-11-26 21:50:55	lukelau	the lightbulb in vscode
2019-11-26 21:51:06	lukelau	like hints quick fixes refactors etc.
2019-11-26 21:51:18	lukelau	the client requests them from the server
2019-11-26 21:51:37	lukelau	and then the server returns a list of them, which have command ids 
2019-11-26 21:51:52	lukelau	the client can then make an executecommand request with those command ids to the server
2019-11-26 21:51:52	mpickering	ok 
2019-11-26 21:52:09	mpickering	but this `handleCodeActionReq` happens after someone clicks on a code action?
2019-11-26 21:52:11	lukelau	and then the server will refactor or format or whatever by sending back an applytextedit request
2019-11-26 21:52:18	lukelau	no
2019-11-26 21:52:27	lukelau	it happens when the client is querying the list to show
2019-11-26 21:52:46	lukelau	when the user clicks on a code action it sends the executecommand request
2019-11-26 21:52:53	mpickering	ok so why does this need the version?
2019-11-26 21:55:00	mpickering	I suppose this is what you are finding out
2019-11-26 21:55:05	lukelau	yeah
2019-11-26 21:55:29	lukelau	and i think its because textdocumentedits require a versionedtextdocumentidentifier
2019-11-26 21:55:42	mpickering	yeah that makes sense
2019-11-26 21:55:49	lukelau	and most of those code action requests generate a textdocumentedit
2019-11-26 21:56:04	mpickering	ok but the version number should be got from the map in the TVar
2019-11-26 21:56:05	mpickering	not the VFS
2019-11-26 21:56:14	lukelau	which tvar?
2019-11-26 21:56:15	mpickering	?
2019-11-26 21:56:23	mpickering	the one which maps URIs to version numbers
2019-11-26 21:56:29	mpickering	documentVersions or whatever it's called
2019-11-26 21:56:31	lukelau	inside scheduler?
2019-11-26 21:56:45	lukelau	i’m not sure. it seems like theres two sources of truth going on
2019-11-26 21:56:59	mpickering	However I am fairly sure this usage of version is bogus
2019-11-26 21:57:05	lukelau	yeah i agree
2019-11-26 21:57:12	mpickering	because it doesn't also pass the VFS to the function
2019-11-26 21:57:25	lukelau	the vfs is accessible from within R
2019-11-26 21:57:33	lukelau	since its inside lspfuncs
2019-11-26 21:57:42	mpickering	yeah but by the point you lookup the URI the version might have changed
2019-11-26 21:58:45	mpickering	I am assuming that you have to look at the file to generate code actions somehow
2019-11-26 21:59:00	lukelau	for hlint yeah
2019-11-26 21:59:19	lukelau	i think there should be some api in pluginidemonads to get the most recent version of a text document
2019-11-26 21:59:47	lukelau	like getLatest :: IdeM m => TextDocumentIdentifier -> m VersionedTextDocumentIdentifier
2019-11-26 21:59:50	mpickering	Do you know what `CodeActionContext` is about?
2019-11-26 22:00:29	mpickering	is that a LSP thing or something you invented
2019-11-26 22:00:30	lukelau	thats the list of diagnostics under the cursor or somethiing
2019-11-26 22:00:33	lukelau	its an lsp thing
2019-11-26 22:01:01	lukelau	i think the hlint/apply-refact plugin uses it to convert the hlint diagnostics into quick fixes
2019-11-26 22:01:32	mpickering	yeah the `Generic` code actions use it to convert to quick fixes
2019-11-26 22:03:14	mpickering	ok as far as I can work out the version is necessary but getting it from the VFS is probably not right
2019-11-26 22:03:21	mpickering	and it can be got from the other map as well
2019-11-26 22:04:28	lukelau	it should get it from the one in scheduler?
2019-11-26 22:11:19	mpickering	I don't see why not
2019-11-26 22:13:02	lukelau	why should it not just get the latest version from the vfs again?
2019-11-26 22:13:20	lukelau	“by the point you lookup the URI the version might have changed”?
2019-11-26 22:13:35	mpickering	^ that's not right
2019-11-26 22:13:50	mpickering	because then we can get rid of the version from the VFS
2019-11-26 22:14:23	mpickering	having these two identical maps doesn't seem necessary though?
2019-11-26 22:14:45	lukelau	yeah. i think it should stay in the VFS though, since that makes the most sense where to keep track of it
2019-11-26 22:14:50	lukelau	also other servers may be using this information
2019-11-26 22:15:02	lukelau	i do think though that the actual VFS map should be hidden
2019-11-26 22:15:44	lukelau	if the DidChangeTextDocumentNotification notifications contain the version the vfs might as well store it
2019-11-26 22:17:08	mpickering	ok, that would mean we could get rid of all these `updateDocument` calls in `h-i-e` perhaps?
2019-11-26 22:17:56	lukelau	yes?
2019-11-26 22:20:04	lukelau	ive got to head now for a bit, will be back later
2019-11-26 22:20:08	mpickering	I think the main use of the versions in h-i-e is to cancel out of date diagnostics requests 
2019-11-26 22:20:23	lukelau	but that should be accessible from the vfs anyway
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2019-11-26 23:23:33	alanz	mpickering, lukelau I know we were using the textdocument versions as a way of discarding queued requests into the GHC thread, that did not match the latest one.
2019-11-26 23:23:57	alanz	Which is quite an important speed-up thing. I hope you guys have not discarded like
2019-11-26 23:24:11	mpickering	we haven't changed anything yet
2019-11-26 23:24:21	mpickering	just trying to understand how it should work
2019-11-26 23:24:26	alanz	Ok.
2019-11-26 23:24:54	alanz	I believe the source of truth should be the version number received over the wire from the client.
2019-11-26 23:25:25	alanz	With the caveat that for some configurations there is no version number, I think from an initial document open
2019-11-26 23:25:45	alanz	and we should perhaps flag that as no version set, so we know we cannot use it for truth
2019-11-26 23:26:14	alanz	But then how it is stored going forward is not that critical, so long as it is consistent. And ideally only one.
2019-11-26 23:26:44	alanz	And something that does not force the hie-specific usage into haskell-lsp, unless it is something that we believe should be best practice
2019-11-26 23:26:57	alanz	and as such should get buy-in from the other users of haskell-lsp
2019-11-26 23:27:14	mpickering	alanz: Why do you queue up the diagnostics requests?
2019-11-26 23:27:22	mpickering	If you are going to cancel some of them
2019-11-26 23:27:43	alanz	we dont know at the point we queue them up whether another change will come in or not
2019-11-26 23:27:44	mpickering	wouldn't it be better to have a single variable which either contains the next diagnostics request or nothing
2019-11-26 23:27:55	mpickering	yeah but if you get a new one you just replace the next action
2019-11-26 23:28:01	mpickering	rather than keeping them all in a queue
2019-11-26 23:28:18	alanz	except you cant't interrupt the GHC thread, so it has to work through
2019-11-26 23:28:44	alanz	and if there are deferred actions on it, it is worth running them, once the expensive GHC part is done
2019-11-26 23:29:02	mpickering	So at the moment if you make 5 changes 1 - 5 then you start diagnosing 1 then queue up 2 > 3 > 4 > 5
2019-11-26 23:29:02	alanz	and we keep a change map from locations between the document versions.
2019-11-26 23:29:20	mpickering	once 1 is finished, you then cancel 2 > 3 > 4 completely and run 5?
2019-11-26 23:29:41	alanz	Yes. But those queued activities may be for different tasks. 
2019-11-26 23:29:53	mpickering	oh ok
2019-11-26 23:30:05	alanz	In principle keeping a queue of depth one makes sense, but one per general request to GHC
2019-11-26 23:30:12	mpickering	why is there one queue for all the diagnostics?
2019-11-26 23:30:20	alanz	i.e. the queue may be an interleave of changes to multiple files
2019-11-26 23:30:25	mpickering	ok
2019-11-26 23:30:37	alanz	there is one queue for the GHC thread
2019-11-26 23:30:48	alanz	and one for the other non-ghc stuff
2019-11-26 23:31:09	alanz	same principle applies there though, e.g. running hlint on a file, which may take time
2019-11-26 23:31:37	alanz	In future (and via ghcide, I hope), we can re-use the GHC parsing for the hlint diagnostics
2019-11-27 00:16:16	lukelau	mpickering: are the uricaches still used at all?
2019-11-27 00:20:13	mpickering	lukelau: I don't know :) I assume so
2019-11-27 00:20:21	mpickering	I think for hover and things?
2019-11-27 00:20:32	lukelau	but then where are they set?
2019-11-27 00:20:52	lukelau	one thing that ive noticed is that you should probably replicate the notion of “failed caches” for the cradle caches
2019-11-27 00:21:12	lukelau	so that if four requests are made to one module, where the cradle fails to load, then you only get one error back
2019-11-27 00:22:07	mpickering	yes I agree
2019-11-27 00:22:17	mpickering	lukelau: In `setTypecheckedModule` there is a call to `cacheModule`
2019-11-27 00:22:51	mpickering	Now I have identified one of your crashes do you have another problem for me fendor ?
2019-11-27 00:23:20	mpickering	jneira: Did normalising the directory help at all?
2019-11-27 00:23:51	fendor	mpickering, what did you fix? lsp-test?
2019-11-27 00:24:05	mpickering	I didn't fix anything yet but identified why there was a problem
2019-11-27 00:24:24	mpickering	you should get irc cloud or a bouncer so you can read scroll back :P I had a long conversation with luke about versions
2019-11-27 00:24:56	mpickering	but basically the way we were coming up with filenames wasn't quite right
2019-11-27 00:24:59	mpickering	which led to clashes
2019-11-27 00:25:22	fendor	i was actually online, so sporadically read through it
2019-11-27 00:26:22	fendor	ok, is that the reason for hie crashes?
2019-11-27 00:27:33	mpickering	I don't know as we didn't decide how to fix it yet
2019-11-27 00:29:10	fendor	ok, we dont know the status on the tests, right? There is stuff to do in hie-bios as discussed yesterday.
2019-11-27 00:29:30	lukelau	fendor: if you need a bouncer you can share my znc instance
2019-11-27 00:29:57	fendor	what about the HaRe stuff, is there anything blocking updating HaRe to hie/hie-bios branch?
2019-11-27 00:30:11	fendor	lukelau, i dont know what a znc instance is, but that would be great :)
2019-11-27 00:30:26	mpickering	HaRe has been updated
2019-11-27 00:32:28	mpickering	I am running the func:tests now
2019-11-27 00:32:32	fendor	ok. then open issues are what you discussed with lukelau, fixing the test-suite and updating hie-bios
2019-11-27 00:32:57	fendor	you dont have an issue to track progress on that right?
2019-11-27 00:33:05	mpickering	no
2019-11-27 00:33:56	fendor	ok, then ill open one. Which repos will need updates? haskell-lsp again?
2019-11-27 00:38:29	mpickering	haskell-lsp to fix persistVirtualFile yes
2019-11-27 00:38:46	mpickering	I am running the hie tests now with my hacked fix
2019-11-27 00:38:59	mpickering	there are still quite a few failing tests
2019-11-27 00:39:03	mpickering	not sure how many are new/old
2019-11-27 00:39:20	fendor	ignore any failing test that is related to formatters
2019-11-27 00:39:41	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/gizH7ixg/
2019-11-27 00:41:22	mpickering	Perhaps I should look into the ones which there is a SessionException?
2019-11-27 00:41:28	fendor	first five test case failures are weird. I occasionally get them, and sometimes not. 
2019-11-27 00:41:47	fendor	yeah, SessionException are definitely not supposed to happen.
2019-11-27 00:46:35	fendor	the failing formats with brittnay errors seem to be minor import order changes
2019-11-27 00:46:50	fendor	did we change brittany and floskell versions?
2019-11-27 00:53:42	fendor	seems weird. neither floskell, nor brittany, nor hsimport ought to change the order of imports
2019-11-27 00:57:39	lukelau	alanz: If possible I’d like to change the Messages.hs data types to something more structured like this https://gist.github.com/5eabddd8f478e1f17822cf3797559ab6
2019-11-27 00:58:08	lukelau	there’s a file in lsp-test that needs to check if a message is a notification or response etc
2019-11-27 00:58:30	lukelau	and the way it does it currently is with a huge pattern match https://github.com/bubba/lsp-test/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Test/Messages.hs
2019-11-27 00:58:51	lukelau	obviously this is pretty brittle if any new types are added, so if possible i would like to encode this upstream in haskell-lsp instead
2019-11-27 01:00:28	fendor	mpickering, test failures 8-14 are trivial to fix and boring.
2019-11-27 01:02:06	alanz	lukelau, looking ...
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2019-11-27 01:08:31	alanz	lukelau, it should be fine in principle, but I think we need to see a PR to understand the full effects
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2019-11-27 01:23:34	 *	alanz starting to update the ghc-exactprint tests for ghc-8.10 specific new tests
2019-11-27 01:23:52	mpickering	the log for one of the SessionException tests looks quite normal
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2019-11-27 01:30:58	alanz	ghc-exactprint new tests: Cases: 627  Tried: 627  Errors: 10  Failures: 49
2019-11-27 01:34:23	lukelau	alanz: will flesh it out
2019-11-27 01:35:15	alanz	thanks
2019-11-27 01:35:52	alanz	because then we need to get a review from other haskell-lsp users
2019-11-27 01:37:16	mpickering	dare I suggest that this unexpected session close is a race?
2019-11-27 01:37:20	mpickering	The log looks perfect to me
2019-11-27 01:37:32	mpickering	2019-11-26 19:53:33.709403926 [ThreadId 5] - <--2--{"jsonrpc":"2.0","params":{"uri":"file:///home/matt/haskell-ide-engine/test/testdata/definition/Foo.hs","diagnostics":[]},"method":"textDocument/publishDiagnostics"}
2019-11-27 01:37:32	mpickering	2019-11-26 19:53:33.709782954 [ThreadId 4] - ---> {"jsonrpc":"2.0","params":null,"method":"shutdown","id":0}
2019-11-27 01:37:56	mpickering	lsp-test sends a shutdown to the server
2019-11-27 01:38:16	alanz	mpickering, I looked at that one too, on my local machine. I think it is shutting down too early, suspect there might be a timing difference somehow
2019-11-27 01:38:29	alanz	and the test needs to wait for something specific first.
2019-11-27 01:38:49	alanz	But probably best to compare it to a log file from another GHC version where it does pass.
2019-11-27 01:39:08	alanz	another branch, I mean
2019-11-27 01:39:31	alanz	FYI: stack --stack-yaml=stack.yaml test haskell-ide-engine:func-test --test-arguments "--match \"/Definition/definitions/goto's imported modules that are loaded, and then closed/\""
2019-11-27 01:39:52	alanz	will make a small log, with only that test in it
2019-11-27 01:44:14	mpickering	yes that's what I'm doing
2019-11-27 01:44:16	mpickering	good idea thanks
2019-11-27 01:44:21	mpickering	I added a threadDelay and it still failee
2019-11-27 01:44:24	mpickering	so something else is up
2019-11-27 01:46:10	mpickering	Ah so there is supposed to be some kind of handshake on the shutdown - 
2019-11-27 01:46:21	mpickering	2019-11-26 20:15:36.406101843 [ThreadId 4] - ---> {"jsonrpc":"2.0","params":null,"method":"shutdown","id":0}
2019-11-27 01:46:21	mpickering	2019-11-26 20:15:36.406653555 [ThreadId 5] - <--2--{"result":null,"jsonrpc":"2.0","id":0}
2019-11-27 01:46:21	mpickering	2019-11-26 20:15:36.434074194 [ThreadId 4] - ---> {"jsonrpc":"2.0","method":"exit","params":[]}
2019-11-27 01:46:21	mpickering	2019-11-26 20:15:36.434148872 [ThreadId 4] - haskell-lsp:Got exit, exiting
2019-11-27 01:46:27	mpickering	that doesn't happen in the failing test
2019-11-27 02:18:20	mpickering	I managed to fix the test by modifying one line
2019-11-27 02:18:23	mpickering	but I have no idea why it makes it fail
2019-11-27 02:22:15	fendor	the functional tests are rather fragile in my opinion. I hope we can make them less fragile in the future
2019-11-27 02:22:58	fendor	or, we should some time in the future 
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2019-11-27 03:06:50	mpickering	jneira: I found where the problem is
2019-11-27 03:06:51	mpickering	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/VFS.hs#L160
2019-11-27 03:06:57	mpickering	how stupid of me
2019-11-27 03:07:36	alanz	in the session test?
2019-11-27 03:07:56	mpickering	I suspect this is causing a lot of the breakage
2019-11-27 03:08:01	mpickering	but it is also causing this specific test to fail
2019-11-27 03:08:44	mpickering	apparently the diagnostics for files are not cancelled once the file is closed
2019-11-27 03:09:06	jneira	great!
2019-11-27 03:09:14	mpickering	Now how to fix this
2019-11-27 03:09:29	mpickering	Q: Is it an error to try to persist a file before adding it to the VFS?
2019-11-27 03:09:42	mpickering	Q: Is it an error to try to persist a file after removing it from the VFS?
2019-11-27 03:11:03	jneira	Yeah, i saw that code, but returning Nothing was already there before your changes,  right?
2019-11-27 03:11:20	mpickering	what do you mean?
2019-11-27 03:12:02	jneira	i hope that calling code would handle Nothing gracefully, but i wanted to trace that after confirming that it is causing the crash
2019-11-27 03:12:36	alanz	mpickering, that queue management stuff should fail gracefully in that case, its kind of the "last version" of the file.
2019-11-27 03:12:51	alanz	which will be different from whatever is in the queue as a version.
2019-11-27 03:13:07	mpickering	so you think the diagnostics should be cancelled?
2019-11-27 03:13:25	mpickering	jneira: So what do you answer to my questions?
2019-11-27 03:13:45	alanz	yes, if you treat it as a version change. Which it is, if you squint right
2019-11-27 03:14:22	mpickering	but the version number isn't bumped on a file close
2019-11-27 03:14:26	mpickering	it might be reset to zero?
2019-11-27 03:14:28	jneira	mpickering the line you pointed (`Nothing -> error ("File not found in VFS: " ++ show uri ++ show vfs)`) was added before friday-fix pr
2019-11-27 03:15:26	mpickering	jneira: That is true
2019-11-27 03:15:47	mpickering	so there is some exception handler dealing with that usually?
2019-11-27 03:15:55	mpickering	I did remove all the exception handlers, lemme add them back
2019-11-27 03:16:27	jneira	mmm that could be the cause
2019-11-27 03:16:49	mpickering	but still having error there is 🤮
2019-11-27 03:16:56	mpickering	I am a bad person
2019-11-27 03:18:39	mpickering	It took me about an hour to work out how to view the stderr from hie using lsp-test
2019-11-27 03:20:23	alanz	mpickering, maybe put a PR on the lsp-test README, to save the next person that hour.
2019-11-27 03:20:46	alanz	and everyone makes mistakes.
2019-11-27 03:23:00	mpickering	assuming I read the README.. 
2019-11-27 03:25:03	alanz	well, the next person might
2019-11-27 03:25:13	alanz	and if you remember writing it, you will.
2019-11-27 03:26:00	alanz	I find things like https://github.com/alanz/ghc-exactprint/blob/master/NEW-GHC.md invaluable, when I come back to a thing later
2019-11-27 03:27:17	mpickering	ok the problem is caused by the error call it seems
2019-11-27 03:27:38	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/LBTcWCDt/
2019-11-27 03:29:01	mpickering	and I think because the error happens inside an STM block it causes strange behaviour
2019-11-27 03:29:54	mpickering	which is probably why it is different to before
2019-11-27 03:35:10	alanz	on my part I am down to : Counts {cases = 616, tried = 616, errors = 7, failures = 4}
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2019-11-27 04:04:58	alanz	one GHC bug only. https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/issues/17519
2019-11-27 04:23:40	mpickering	nice one
2019-11-27 04:23:44	mpickering	see my flurry of PRs
2019-11-27 04:30:33	alanz	I just commented on them. And CI is failing
2019-11-27 04:30:39	alanz	for haskell-lsp
2019-11-27 04:30:54	alanz	Nice to see all that dire warning comment stuff come out in hie
2019-11-27 04:44:37	mpickering	yes it was quite dire
2019-11-27 04:47:02	mpickering	should have fixed CI
2019-11-27 04:54:02	jneira	i have tried my changes to drive letter with hie and now it hangs instead crash, so some progress :-D
2019-11-27 05:01:24	lukelau	fendor i set up your znc access
2019-11-27 05:01:34	lukelau	hmm nvm he’s not here
2019-11-27 05:02:54	lukelau	mpickering alanz: examples on the lsp-test readme are always welcome
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2019-11-27 13:06:01	reactormonk	Any way to debug an HIE stuck at "Initializing Cradle"?
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2019-11-27 13:09:37	jneira_	Did the log (and/or vscode output) show any error?
2019-11-27 13:11:28	jneira_	If cabal-helper setup fails f.e. the init could be unresponsive
2019-11-27 13:12:04	jneira_	but i've got hangs without any error too :-/ 
2019-11-27 13:12:47	jneira_	reactormonk: what commit of hie-bios are you using?
2019-11-27 13:30:16	reactormonk	jneira_, a few days old, any way to ask?
2019-11-27 13:30:24	jneira_	wow i had a hard job convincing cabal that had to use haskell-lsp as a local package instead the hackage version
2019-11-27 13:30:46	jneira_	`hie --version` shows the commit
2019-11-27 13:30:59	reactormonk	Version 1.0.0.0 x86_64 ghc-8.6.4
2019-11-27 13:31:02	reactormonk	apparently nope
2019-11-27 13:31:13	reactormonk	At most a few days old.
2019-11-27 13:31:37	jneira_	oh it is not built from source then
2019-11-27 13:31:48	reactormonk	Rebuilding from source...
2019-11-27 13:32:18	jneira_	anyway, i suppose you got no errors in the log/vscode output, right?
2019-11-27 13:34:28	reactormonk	nope
2019-11-27 13:38:50	jneira_	:-/
2019-11-27 13:40:54	jneira_	are you opening a public project?
2019-11-27 13:42:05	jneira_	to try reproduce the hang (although i am on windows)
2019-11-27 13:42:49	reactormonk	Gimme a minute, I broke the hie setup too :-(
2019-11-27 13:42:55	reactormonk	https://github.com/input-output-hk/plutus/pull/1658
2019-11-27 13:43:02	reactormonk	Eh, only the nix part, actually.
2019-11-27 13:45:05	jneira_	mmm you are using an explicit `hie.yaml`... they usually are more reliable
2019-11-27 13:46:44	jneira_	a way to test hie-bios in isolation is to execute `hie-bios check /path/to/some/source/file` within the project root
2019-11-27 13:47:13	jneira_	installing hie-bios (the package) as executable if you dont have it
2019-11-27 13:48:57	jneira_	it's a pretty big project -_- 
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2019-11-27 14:57:58	reactormonk	jneira_, oh, that's a nice thing to know
2019-11-27 15:05:15	jneira_	yeah, there is a `hie-bios debug file` that could be handy too
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2019-11-27 15:08:41	mpickering	that would be a very simple patch jneira_ 
2019-11-27 15:08:46	mpickering	and we should implement it
2019-11-27 15:10:24	jneira_	uh, sorry, what should be patched? the URI normalization?
2019-11-27 15:11:14	mpickering	`hie-bios debug file`
2019-11-27 15:11:37	mpickering	jneira_: If you add it to the cabal.project file then it should use it straight away
2019-11-27 15:11:43	mpickering	A local version of haskell-lsp that is
2019-11-27 15:11:45	jneira_	oh, it is broken, i forgot that
2019-11-27 15:13:35	jneira_	mpickering: yeah i usually do it this way, but i continue seeing the uri with the driver lette lower case in one of my windows
2019-11-27 15:14:01	mpickering	perhaps that is a non normalised URI
2019-11-27 15:14:48	jneira_	it is wrapped in the newtype and in my other computer i've got to fix it :-/
2019-11-27 15:15:39	jneira_	i even bumped out haskell-lsp version and i set it in all hie cabal files and no way, really weird
2019-11-27 15:15:50	jneira_	bumped up
2019-11-27 15:16:22	jneira_	i am installing after wipe out all haskell-lsp dirs in the cabal store
2019-11-27 15:16:41	mpickering	ok
2019-11-27 15:17:02	mpickering	let me know if there's some more problems I need to fix
2019-11-27 15:18:48	jneira_	does the pr https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/67 chance of fix or help to trace the crash issue? i am gonna try it asap
2019-11-27 15:20:18	mpickering	yes it should completely fix the crash
2019-11-27 15:20:23	jneira_	in the system i've got working the uri letter drive, hie doesnt crash but get stuck 
2019-11-27 15:20:28	jneira_	great!
2019-11-27 15:20:43	mpickering	it might fix that as well
2019-11-27 15:20:52	mpickering	as using `error` in `STM` causes a retry
2019-11-27 15:21:19	jneira_	i still cant infer simply reading the code  
2019-11-27 15:21:35	jneira_	ok
2019-11-27 15:22:33	mpickering	The big issue debugging this is that if the server crashes and prints something to stderr, it just doesn't make it into the log
2019-11-27 15:22:55	mpickering	it just causes the client to try to parse something it can't parse
2019-11-27 15:29:24	jneira_	oh it prints a raw error without json structure then
2019-11-27 15:31:25	mpickering	yeah
2019-11-27 15:31:29	mpickering	that's why there is the crash
2019-11-27 15:33:16	jneira_	should not we catch all exceptions (including async ones?) at top level to try send correct errors to client (even just before let the process die)
2019-11-27 15:33:32	jneira_	?
2019-11-27 15:34:19	jneira_	at least to tell the client server are gonna shut down
2019-11-27 15:34:32	jneira_	(and the reason if possible)
2019-11-27 15:34:38	mpickering	There is logic for that but I think calling error inside STM did something else strange
2019-11-27 15:36:14	jneira_	i see, we are lucky that you control the subject a lot :-)
2019-11-27 15:41:12	mpickering	I don't think the semantics of exceptions and STM are well discussed anywhere
2019-11-27 15:41:44	mpickering	it is stated in the paper that throwing an exception causes an abort (and retry) later but it doesn't say that it prints the error to stderr before retrying
2019-11-27 15:41:50	mpickering	which is what I observed in practice
2019-11-27 15:41:59	jneira_	otoh the client could log the last bad input before restart the hie process... 
2019-11-27 15:42:17	jneira_	it may help to trace the problem
2019-11-27 15:42:41	jneira_	(maye it does it already and i didint notice)
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2019-11-27 19:14:11	reactormonk	$ hie-bios check plutus-core-interpreter/test/CekMachine.hs 
2019-11-27 19:14:14	reactormonk	hie-bios: AesonException "Error in $: Not a known configuration"
2019-11-27 19:14:16	reactormonk	heh
2019-11-27 19:14:59	reactormonk	Anyway, works nicely now.
2019-11-27 19:16:02	jneira_	(y) 
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2019-11-28 07:47:49	sim590	How can I pass an option to ghc with Vim/LanguageClient configuration ? I want to pass option `-i somedir` for example.
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2019-11-28 15:19:48	fendor	test test
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2019-11-28 15:26:57	jneira_	fendor: same here test and test :-P
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2019-11-28 15:37:38	fendor	jneira_, hehe. 
2019-11-28 15:41:54	mpickering	jneira_: Do any of the tests work for you?
2019-11-28 15:42:27	jneira_	ooohmg finally  i've got the hie-bios branch working 
2019-11-28 15:42:29	jneira_	:-D
2019-11-28 15:43:05	mpickering	what did you do?
2019-11-28 15:43:07	jneira_	using you persist-virtual-files pr in hie, haskell-lsp and lsp-test
2019-11-28 15:43:31	mpickering	right, thought so
2019-11-28 15:44:02	jneira_	*and* fix the uris in windows making the drive letter upper case (but this time working)
2019-11-28 15:44:39	jneira_	i  am gonna test hie-bios branch HEAD with the drive letter upper case
2019-11-28 15:45:02	jneira_	to test if only fix the keys in the VFS make it works too
2019-11-28 15:45:22	jneira_	with only persist-virtual-file it didint work :-/
2019-11-28 15:46:10	jneira_	let me update my pr in haskell-lsp-types with the version i am using... it is a little bit drastic
2019-11-28 15:48:17	mpickering	No the keys will still be wrong with just persist-virtual-file
2019-11-28 15:49:26	jneira_	yeah i merged my pr doing that in yours before test
2019-11-28 15:54:00	jneira_	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/205/files#diff-c671434724ea00cc2090da17fd103d7dR32
2019-11-28 15:54:11	jneira_	not sure if it is the best way though
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2019-11-28 16:44:21	jneira_	ok, unfortunately hie-bios HEAD works only fixing the VFS keys :-/
2019-11-28 16:45:48	jneira_	so being  persist-virtual-file an improvement in its own it seems  doesnt fix the crash/hang in windows
2019-11-28 16:47:36	jneira_	btw someone hit that problem in linux?
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2019-11-28 21:08:31	reactormonk	Somehow my HIE seems to be restarting quite a bit, without any indicaiton as to why in the hie.log
2019-11-28 21:08:38	reactormonk	Any chance to get some more debug information?
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2019-11-28 23:40:40	alanz	mpickering, apropos that discussion of document versioning. It seems if we send back a TextEdit we should include the document version it is intended to be applied against. See https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specifications/specification-3-15/#textEditArray
2019-11-28 23:40:56	alanz	via https://github.com/microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues/870
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2019-11-29 00:29:36	sim590	How can I pass an option to ghc with Vim/LanguageClient configuration ? I want to pass option `-i somedir` for example.
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2019-11-29 03:04:51	mpickering	alanz: That already happens we thought
2019-11-29 03:05:13	alanz	ok, just checking. I would assume so.
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2019-11-29 06:17:49	lukelau	fendor_: is the znc client working?
2019-11-29 06:17:54	lukelau	*bouncer
2019-11-29 06:18:02	lukelau	sim590: is this languageclient neovim?
2019-11-29 06:18:14	sim590	lukelau:yes
2019-11-29 06:18:42	lukelau	sim590: you can’t pass options directly through hie, but you can do it through a cabal.project/*.cabal file
2019-11-29 06:18:48	lukelau	with the ghc-options fiedl
2019-11-29 06:18:50	lukelau	*field
2019-11-29 06:26:19	sim590	lukelau: Oh right. Thx ! So it seems that pretty much anytihng we want to do to interact with HIE is through a cabal file I guess.
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2019-11-29 13:29:14	reactormonk	Where should I put feature requests, such as being able to click on types in error messages in vscode?
2019-11-29 13:29:21	reactormonk	... does that require LSP support?
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2019-11-29 14:31:54	jneira_	click to open the source code where the type is?
2019-11-29 14:58:43	jneira_	mpickering: i've double check the different versions and i think `persist-virtual-file`standalone fixes the crash 
2019-11-29 14:59:31	mpickering	that would make sense
2019-11-29 14:59:46	mpickering	I thought that the other fix would make diagnostics works again
2019-11-29 14:59:48	jneira_	i should have been do some error switching versions in git or setting the hie executable in the editor
2019-11-29 15:00:53	jneira_	however in windows 10 the results are not the same and it hangs with versions that in windows 7 work, maybe my env in win 10 is broken for some other reason 
2019-11-29 15:02:45	jneira_	i would like to fix it and get the same results in both systems, i'll try asap
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2019-11-29 15:05:23	jneira_	the version with the VFS keys fixed also works standalone (i guess it triggers the crash) but i am not sure if the pr is needed anymore
2019-11-29 15:08:31	mpickering	yes it is needed
2019-11-29 15:08:48	mpickering	you will still be able to trigger the crash just with the VFS keys fix by opening and closing a file quickly I think
2019-11-29 15:10:54	jneira_	i mean that my pr to fix the keys maybe is not needed
2019-11-29 15:11:52	mpickering	Perhaps it is not but I don't see the reason why not
2019-11-29 15:12:09	jneira_	i dont fully like the implementation: ` maybe uri filePathToUri (uriToFilePath uri)` in `toNormalizedUri :: Uri -> NormalizedUri`
2019-11-29 15:12:14	mpickering	if you don't hit a file in the VFS then diagnostics will never work
2019-11-29 15:13:44	jneira_	mmm but then why `persist-virtual-file`standalone works? it should not be :-/
2019-11-29 15:14:30	mpickering	So diagnostics work?
2019-11-29 15:14:34	jneira_	yeah
2019-11-29 15:14:50	mpickering	hmm perhaps the paths are already normalised somehow then?
2019-11-29 15:16:42	jneira_	i wam gonna trace `toNormalizedUri :: Uri -> NormalizedUri` to investigate it
2019-11-29 15:17:27	jneira_	to sleep peacefully this night :-P
2019-11-29 15:18:35	mpickering	you could add a trace to `persistVirtualFile` to check
2019-11-29 15:19:12	jneira_	:+1:
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2019-11-29 16:03:39	reactormonk	2019-11-29 11:32:46.557632768 [ThreadId 18] - Source error on cradle initialisation: can't find file: test/Main.hs
2019-11-29 16:03:44	reactormonk	But I'm pretty sure it's there :-(
2019-11-29 16:03:53	reactormonk	Maybe it's not checking from the correct project root?
2019-11-29 16:04:16	reactormonk	2019-11-29 11:32:11.59969823 [ThreadId 10] - New cradle: /home/tass/dev/iohk/plutus/plutus-core-interpreter/test/Main.hs
2019-11-29 16:07:08	jneira_	have you check it with the hie-bios executable?
2019-11-29 16:07:55	reactormonk	The weird part - it does correctly goto-def for a second in said test component, but then it goes to "Initializing Cradle..." again and goes bye bye
2019-11-29 16:08:21	reactormonk	jneira_, always getting hie-bios: AesonException "Error in $: Not a known configuration"
2019-11-29 16:08:28	reactormonk	No matter which file I check
2019-11-29 16:09:44	jneira_	jumm you are using the explicit cradle of https://github.com/input-output-hk/plutus/pull/1658/files#diff-d893a05d68394f9ca4bc24ef10b0ca23, right?
2019-11-29 16:10:57	reactormonk	https://github.com/input-output-hk/plutus/blob/0b1e234140cef7c0140ce23188c6a31c06d2b523/hie.yaml#L29-L33
2019-11-29 16:19:06	jneira_	there are mentions in the log about cradle or ghc flags after `New cradle:...`? (that line is correct, it shows the full path to the file for me too) 
2019-11-29 16:19:46	reactormonk	https://gist.github.com/reactormonk/38ee8260a1f2bd80a865487d0b493eb4
2019-11-29 16:24:48	jneira_	In the README of hie-bios: `This cradle type is experimental and may not be supported correctly by some libraries which use hie-bios. It requires some additional care to correctly manage multiple components.`
2019-11-29 16:24:59	jneira_	(about multi-cradle)
2019-11-29 16:25:34	jneira_	It seems tha main use case described there is about different components (exe,test) in the same package
2019-11-29 16:25:45	mpickering	perhaps this is a bug to do with fixing import paths
2019-11-29 16:26:59	jneira_	so maybe you can do a workaround opening the subpackage in hie, creating a hie.yaml inside configuring its components
2019-11-29 16:27:58	reactormonk	jneira_, I was wondering if that wouldn't break it finding other subpackages
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2019-11-29 17:05:49	michaelpj	for multi-package projects, is it recommended to have one `hie.yaml` per package then? And only use `multi` for multiple components in a single package?
2019-11-29 17:07:42	mpickering	No it's recommended to have one hie.yaml file where the cabal.project file is
2019-11-29 17:07:52	mpickering	however, you are the first people actually trying to use this feature
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2019-11-29 17:08:33	mpickering	This is not a high priority until the hie-bios branch is merged because we can't properly support multiple components with the current architecture
2019-11-29 17:08:45	mpickering	so if anything works it's a bonus
2019-11-29 17:09:05	mpickering	probably not what you wanted to hear
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2019-11-29 17:20:52	michaelpj	eh, a certain amount of jankiness is expected. it actually mostly seems to work (we're using the hie-bios branch, I think)
2019-11-29 17:21:04	michaelpj	more strength to your arm :)
2019-11-29 17:22:18	mpickering	mostly seems to work is a pleasing state of affairs
2019-11-29 17:30:07	reactormonk	If point the test to the regular lib cradle, things seem to work
2019-11-29 17:30:12	reactormonk	... ok
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2019-11-29 18:01:40	michaelpj	so it sounds like the issue is probably more "non-default lib components" rather than "multi cradle" for us
2019-11-29 18:04:30	reactormonk	Except they don't have the correct dependencies in scope then (e.g. hedgehog)
2019-11-29 18:05:21	reactormonk	I would hope test components would be supported
2019-11-29 18:06:46	michaelpj	from what matthew says it sounds like the plan is to support them better, but not yet
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2019-11-29 21:01:46	fendor	building all dependencies of hie from scratch. This is gonna take a while
2019-11-29 21:11:44	mpickering	good luck
2019-11-29 21:13:37	fendor	had to nuke my 150gb cabal store because incoming out of memory :D
2019-11-29 21:14:28	mpickering	I keep filling up my 1tb SSD thanks to my nix store
2019-11-29 21:15:39	infinisil	mpickering: Have you enabled the optimized store?
2019-11-29 21:15:49	mpickering	Probably not?
2019-11-29 21:16:00	mpickering	If it's not the default then no
2019-11-29 21:16:07	infinisil	auto-optimise-store = true
2019-11-29 21:16:13	infinisil	in nix.conf
2019-11-29 21:16:21	infinisil	Deduplicates all files
2019-11-29 21:16:47	infinisil	nix.autoOptimiseStore on NixOS
2019-11-29 21:16:57	mpickering	Why is it not default?
2019-11-29 21:17:01	mpickering	Is there some downside?
2019-11-29 21:17:18	infinisil	Makes it a bit slower to add stuff to the store
2019-11-29 21:19:26	mpickering	👍
2019-11-29 21:20:57	infinisil	I also use zfs compression on the nix store, making it 1.88 times smaller :)
2019-11-29 21:31:04	fendor	infinisil, can you apply zfs compression on a non zfs filesystem? 0.o
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2019-11-29 21:58:56	fendor	what needs to be done in haskell-lsp? 
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2019-11-30 00:04:25	mpickering	fendor_: Not sure anything needs to be done with haskell-lsp
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2019-11-30 01:20:48	infinisil	fendor_: Nah, zfs compression can only be used with zfs xD
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2019-11-30 02:13:15	dimitropoulos	hi all! I've been trying quite hard to use hie in my first haskell project and I've had a really tough time.  I'm getting:
2019-11-30 02:13:17	dimitropoulos	```<command line>: cannot satisfy -package-id cassava-0.5.2.0-1gm754eSGyyBo9hykais5N:     cassava-0.5.2.0-1gm754eSGyyBo9hykais5N is unusable due to missing dependencies:      attoparsec-0.13.2.2-15TtPA4FSnr3WSZwvehuf5 hashable-1.2.7.0-5L7TRRU7CWCDZYwZDcQXO4 scientific-0.3.6.2-5EJFnZi0e0fIMykymW5xqd
2019-11-30 02:13:18	dimitropoulos	unordered-containers-0.2.9.0-KonA0g51P7y8PSN9VOx1Ey vector-0.12.0.1-1fezwShzdEfG3Hp1Pmvjkq text-short-0.1.3-C3cRUFWBjJeErnh2ovIPAC    (use -v for more information)```
2019-11-30 02:13:24	dimitropoulos	```<command line>: cannot satisfy -package-id cassava-0.5.2.0-1gm754eSGyyBo9hykais5N:     cassava-0.5.2.0-1gm754eSGyyBo9hykais5N is unusable due to missing dependencies:      attoparsec-0.13.2.2-15TtPA4FSnr3WSZwvehuf5 hashable-1.2.7.0-5L7TRRU7CWCDZYwZDcQXO4 scientific-0.3.6.2-5EJFnZi0e0fIMykymW5xqd
2019-11-30 02:13:25	dimitropoulos	unordered-containers-0.2.9.0-KonA0g51P7y8PSN9VOx1Ey vector-0.12.0.1-1fezwShzdEfG3Hp1Pmvjkq text-short-0.1.3-C3cRUFWBjJeErnh2ovIPAC    (use -v for more information)```
2019-11-30 02:13:52	dimitropoulos	(sorry, never used this chat before and wasn't sure how to format it, trying again)
2019-11-30 02:13:57	dimitropoulos	```
2019-11-30 02:15:07	dimitropoulos	the documentation on the readme at https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#cannot-satisfy--package-id-package doesn't seem to help
2019-11-30 02:17:01	dimitropoulos	here are my versions of the associated tooling:
2019-11-30 02:17:01	dimitropoulos	ghc:The Glorious Glasgow Haskell Compilation System, version 8.4.4hie:Version 0.13.0.0, Git revision ae935f43047f88b3e985bbfc6e047595989d9786 (3118 commits) x86_64 ghc-8.4.4stack:Version 2.1.3, Git revision 636e3a759d51127df2b62f90772def126cdf6d1f (7735 commits) x86_64 hpack-0.31.2cabal:cabal-install version 2.2.0.0compiled using version 2.2.0.1 of
2019-11-30 02:17:02	dimitropoulos	the Cabal library hlint:HLint v2.2.4, (C) Neil Mitchell 2006-2019
2019-11-30 02:17:58	dimitropoulos	my apologies for having no idea how to format things, trying yet again
2019-11-30 02:18:03	dimitropoulos	ghc:The Glorious Glasgow Haskell Compilation System, version 8.4.4
2019-11-30 02:18:08	dimitropoulos	hie:Version 0.13.0.0, Git revision ae935f43047f88b3e985bbfc6e047595989d9786 (3118 commits) x86_64 ghc-8.4.4
2019-11-30 02:18:13	dimitropoulos	stack:Version 2.1.3, Git revision 636e3a759d51127df2b62f90772def126cdf6d1f (7735 commits) x86_64 hpack-0.31.2
2019-11-30 02:18:19	dimitropoulos	cabal:cabal-install version 2.2.0.0compiled using version 2.2.0.1 of the Cabal library 
2019-11-30 02:18:24	dimitropoulos	hlint:HLint v2.2.4, (C) Neil Mitchell 2006-2019
2019-11-30 02:22:10	jneira	dimitropoulos: dont worry about formatting :-D
2019-11-30 02:26:41	jneira	however maybe it is better to open an issue in github: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/new
2019-11-30 02:28:34	dimitropoulos	I get that.. I'm just pretty exhausted from what it's taken to get _this_ far.  I was hoping someone here had any ideas.  it's a .cabal config that just looks like this 
2019-11-30 02:28:35	dimitropoulos	  build-depends:       base >=4.11 && <4.12                       , bytestring                       , cassava                       , vector
2019-11-30 02:28:54	dimitropoulos	and when I run it with `cabal run` it works fine
2019-11-30 02:39:20	jneira	sorry to hear that but it is hard to say with that info, i think you will have more chances to get help if you open a issue and include the entire output of Haskell HIE (and the info of the tools you posted here) 
2019-11-30 02:41:28	jneira	and i would recommend to use cabal-2.4.1.0, it is the version bes suited for hie right now
2019-11-30 02:48:42	dimitropoulos	that's very helpful: how would I install cabal-2.4.1.0 in the context of using https://www.haskell.org/platform/
2019-11-30 02:50:06	dimitropoulos	I really wanted to use ghc 8.6.5 but I just couldn't figure out how to get it working because when I installed everything manually the editor would start and tell me I needed `cabal-install`, but then the GHC docs says it's installed by default with 8.6.5
2019-11-30 02:56:08	jneira	mmm afaik cabal-install (the command line tool) are not included with ghc 
2019-11-30 02:57:21	jneira	you can download it from https://www.haskell.org/cabal/download.html
2019-11-30 03:02:06	jneira	although the current version is 3.0.0.0, maybe the best way if you are using stack is run `stack install.hs stack-install-cabal` in the haskell-ide-engine project
2019-11-30 03:03:03	dimitropoulos	that was exactly the problem I ran into when I tried to download it manually: 3.0.0.0 is the only binary I could find and there's an issue on hie right now that suggest that 3 isn't supported
2019-11-30 03:03:17	dimitropoulos	I'll try building it, great suggestion!
2019-11-30 03:13:29	jneira	(y) 
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2019-12-01 03:56:06	jneira	i've traced the behaviour of VFS with the different versions: https://gist.github.com/jneira/2339d18a0b6a5da189ef560bb28a28eb
2019-12-01 03:56:52	jneira	And i've found that fixing the keys for windows makes hlint diagnostics be in problems tab :-D
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2019-12-01 04:41:08	jneira	i had to wipe out my cabal store to make hie compile again :-/
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2019-12-01 19:48:51	fendor__	do I have to point https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/67 to https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/204?
2019-12-01 19:54:54	fendor__	yes
2019-12-01 20:17:14	fendor	mpickering, when running the tests in #67, do you have stack installed?
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2019-12-01 20:46:02	jneira	frndor: and lsp-test https://github.com/bubba/lsp-test/pull/61
2019-12-01 20:46:09	jneira	*fendor
2019-12-01 21:21:25	mpickering	fendor: I don't think so
2019-12-01 21:38:47	jneira	mpickering: is there a (easy) way to debug inside stm?
2019-12-01 21:40:00	jneira	it seems to me that for dhall-haskell the execution hangs inside the stm block of https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-lsp/blob/wip/persist-virtual-file/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Core.hs#L529-L545
2019-12-01 21:50:59	fendor	mpickering, i think some of your test failure are because the direct cradle was used
2019-12-01 21:51:52	fendor	I have fewer failures
2019-12-01 22:06:44	fendor	jneira, thank you, got it to run!
2019-12-01 22:08:20	jneira	:-D   i've not run the test suite in windows yet with persist-file, i'll do asap
2019-12-01 22:09:35	fendor	ill start with low hanging fruit, all the formatter tests
2019-12-01 22:09:48	jneira	but i've observed that line numbers of reported errors sometimes are from the temp file and no the original one
2019-12-01 22:10:04	jneira	(with my pr to fix the vfs keys in windows)
2019-12-01 22:10:50	fendor	the separation between the virtual file and physical file seems leaky sometimes. But such wrong message even occurred in hie-master for me
2019-12-01 22:14:06	jneira	:+1:
2019-12-01 22:15:51	jneira	So fixing the failing tests is the main goal to get hie-bios merged
2019-12-01 22:16:03	jneira	or can i help in some other way?
2019-12-01 22:18:12	fendor	yeah and getting the fixes merged!
2019-12-01 22:18:25	fendor	and hie-bios release, and c-h release
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2019-12-01 22:31:40	mpickering	fendor so what do the tests look like?
2019-12-01 22:32:18	fendor	well, way less fail in the beginning and suddenly all fail for me because hie doesnt answer anymore. have to investigate more
2019-12-01 22:32:37	fendor	but e.g. completion spec fully succeeds for me
2019-12-01 22:33:14	fendor	the unit-tests have way more failures, though. 
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2019-12-02 21:29:51	fendor	lukelau, did you upgrade hie-bios to the latest c-h version?
2019-12-02 21:30:22	lukelau	The latest + my patch for finding cabal v2 projects without a cabal.project file
2019-12-02 21:30:38	lukelau	the latest is just one extra commit by me as far I’m aware, for the ambiguous components fix
2019-12-02 21:31:07	fendor	lukelau, great, thanks! 
2019-12-02 21:31:17	lukelau	i didn’t actually mean to push straight to master, i thought i was on a branch when pushing but apparently not. it’s not a very exciting change anyway
2019-12-02 21:32:06	fendor	lukelau, hehe, almost happened to me, too! Several times. Now I always set the origin to my repo and upstream for, well, upstream repo
2019-12-02 21:32:18	fendor	gonna tick off a checkbox 
2019-12-02 21:33:57	lukelau	By the way I’ve been thinking should the lsp facing “Initializng Cradle” message be renamed to “Initializing Project”? Should the average user of ghcide/hie know what a cradle is
2019-12-02 21:34:35	fendor	If they are using a hie.yaml, they will use that terminology, too. However, I agree, the average probably wont need it.
2019-12-02 21:35:26	lukelau	I’d like to change that error message to say “Initializing cabal project/Initializing stack project/Intializing GHC session” depending on the cradle
2019-12-02 21:35:58	fendor	Sounds really sensible to me
2019-12-02 21:36:31	lukelau	For now is it fine just to do a grep on Cradle.actionName for “cabal/stack/whatever?”
2019-12-02 21:41:49	fendor	yeah
2019-12-02 21:42:20	fendor	Until we refactor the necessary parts in hie-bios, which should be easy, but no one did it so far, I dont think there is any other way
2019-12-02 21:42:35	fendor	btw, I dont think we plain GHC support
2019-12-02 21:42:39	fendor	*we have
2019-12-02 21:42:56	lukelau	direct?
2019-12-02 21:43:11	lukelau	*direct cradle?
2019-12-02 21:43:28	fendor	oh, yeah, obviously
2019-12-02 21:43:36	fendor	sorry
2019-12-02 21:50:41	fendor	mpickering, would it be ok to replace the hard-coded "ghc" in the wrappers in hie-bios with some placeholder to replace it in stackAction? Otherwise, we can directly replace "ghc". Feels a bit dirty
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2019-12-02 22:26:13	mpickering	fendor_: use an env var?
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2019-12-02 23:52:36	mpickering	Use an env var fendor ?
2019-12-02 23:52:45	alanz	Do we have any idea when hie-bios will merge? I want to make a monthly release. Which I guess I should do regardless of hie-bios merge
2019-12-02 23:53:47	fendor	mpickering, ok, will do! 
2019-12-02 23:56:59	alanz	And I see there are still HaRe and liquid haskell tasks for me on https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/48
2019-12-03 00:10:20	fendor	alanz, I think, a merge in the next week is unrealtistic
2019-12-03 00:11:08	fendor	Worst case, would be on new year, imo
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2019-12-03 01:16:34	alanz	fendor_, that makes sense. Release it when its ready
2019-12-03 01:19:19	jneira	i am reading an article about haskell ide's and i am little bit perplexed reading the section about hie:
2019-12-03 01:19:27	jneira	https://tech.fpcomplete.com/blog/mainstream-ides-haskell
2019-12-03 01:20:02	jneira	`I lookup the GHC version that's being used by the stack source code:
2019-12-03 01:22:04	jneira	but you can install any hie+ghc version and stack will download ghc if you dont have it, right? :-/
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2019-12-03 01:42:17	jneira	oh now i understand,he wants to use hie to edit stack source code
2019-12-03 01:48:04	alanz	stack inception
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2019-12-03 20:08:47	fendor	mpickering, regarding the stack .ghci file, do you know where it is defined?
2019-12-03 20:37:24	mpickering	It's stored in a temp file
2019-12-03 20:41:39	fendor	mpickering, can we get that path?
2019-12-03 20:41:39	fendor	I dont think so
2019-12-03 20:51:28	mpickering	Yeah
2019-12-03 20:51:38	mpickering	It's in the ghci scripts dynflags field?
2019-12-03 20:52:01	mpickering	Or are you worried it's cleaned up before we can read it?
2019-12-03 20:56:00	fendor	Dont we want to know the targets before we setup the ghc session?
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2019-12-03 21:08:22	tass	huh. Somehow the hie-bios instance I have crashes as soon as I try to use goto-def.
2019-12-03 21:08:42	tass	... and reinitializes the cradle.
2019-12-03 21:10:10	fendor	tass, what cradle were you using?
2019-12-03 21:10:25	tass	fendor: multi, cabal
2019-12-03 21:10:43	tass	Goto-def in the same project
2019-12-03 21:10:43	fendor	tass, which commit? Head of hie-bios?
2019-12-03 21:10:56	tass	Almost head, a few days ago
2019-12-03 21:12:46	fendor	tass, the tests are failing for this commmit. It is very well possible that it is actually broken
2019-12-03 21:12:57	tass	hmm
2019-12-03 21:14:44	fendor	my hie does not crash, but definitely does not goto definition
2019-12-03 21:14:49	fendor	so, can reproduce
2019-12-03 21:55:19	fendor	tass, maybe it is fixed in the very special branch https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/67, but it is kind of annoying to set it up correctly. 
2019-12-03 21:56:25	tass	Can't be as annoying as getting hie-bios to run on nix.
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2019-12-03 22:01:35	fendor	reactormonk, what is the problem with running hie-bios on nix? you mean no nix expression?
2019-12-03 22:03:38	reactormonk	fendor: kinda. I had to beat it about a bit - would be nice to have a ghc version => derivation function for project-specific setups
2019-12-03 22:04:02	fendor	reactormonk, will be solved when hie-bios gets merged, right?
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2019-12-03 22:04:19	reactormonk	maybe, not sure.
2019-12-03 22:06:12	fendor	the normal hie expression are not good enough? 
2019-12-03 22:09:32	reactormonk	lemme check
2019-12-03 22:22:23	fendor	mpickering, in which stage should the ghci script be in the dynflags?
2019-12-03 22:27:40	reactormonk	fendor: back to business, merge the branch locally, compile, run?
2019-12-03 22:29:35	fendor	reactormonk, which branch? #67? Atm, you'd have to add  haskell-lsp, haskell-lsp-types and lsp-test that contain the wip/persist-virtual-file to packages, e.g. cabal.project.
2019-12-03 22:47:43	fendor	mpickering, I think, the .ghci script is not written to fs if the `--no-load` flag is passed in.
2019-12-03 22:49:41	fendor	https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/blob/master/src/Stack/Ghci.hs#L444
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2019-12-04 00:00:35	mpickering	fendor: I am not sure why we pass `--no-load`
2019-12-04 00:01:01	fendor	mpickering, otherwise it tries to load everything, I assume
2019-12-04 00:01:19	mpickering	shouldn't be an issue if we pass the wrapper?
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2019-12-04 00:05:25	fendor	we might call ghc "$@". 
2019-12-04 00:05:48	fendor	but yeah, I tested it locally without `--no-load` then we have an additional flag "-ghci-scripts=..."
2019-12-04 00:05:57	fendor	"-ghci-script=/run/user/1000/haskell-stack-ghci/e5118eaa/ghci-script"
2019-12-04 00:06:47	fendor	alanz, is there a reason why HaRe demands a hslogger version > 2.12?
2019-12-04 00:06:58	fendor	*1.2.12
2019-12-04 00:07:53	fendor	mpickering, so, just parse every line that starts with ":add" and split by words, then we have the targets, right?
2019-12-04 00:08:01	mpickering	yeah
2019-12-04 00:08:10	fendor	will do
2019-12-04 00:08:13	mpickering	that's the idea
2019-12-04 00:09:35	fendor	simple enough
2019-12-04 00:10:34	fendor	btw, getSystemLibDir causes a stomachache for me
2019-12-04 00:14:36	fendor	does ghci :add work with executable file paths that have spaces in them?
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2019-12-04 00:44:39	alanz	fendor: re hslogger I dont recall. It may be to allow ghc 8.8 usage
2019-12-04 00:46:37	fendor	alanz, ok. So, bump the versions for stack-8.4.*.yaml ?
2019-12-04 00:48:24	alanz	Probably 
2019-12-04 00:49:13	fendor	ok, will do.
2019-12-04 00:49:22	fendor	in https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/72
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2019-12-04 00:49:50	fendor	I want CI back for running all tests
2019-12-04 00:51:52	alanz	Im not near my laptop this evening
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2019-12-04 00:56:20	fendor	that is fine.
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2019-12-04 18:44:58	fendor	working with rust rls makes me think, that while hie is less stable, it is way more powerful and faster
2019-12-04 18:54:05	mpickering	the rust ide is more stable?
2019-12-04 18:54:19	mpickering	that is understandable as more people will have worked on it
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2019-12-04 19:06:01	fendor	mpickering, rls never died on me. But the speed for even toy projects is underwhelming
2019-12-04 19:06:16	mpickering	I see
2019-12-04 19:06:43	fendor	At least, I feel like the response time of hie is way faster
2019-12-04 19:07:56	mpickering	interestig
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2019-12-05 19:22:02	jneira_	hey, now i have hlint suggestions with the hie-bios branch i noted that `quick fix`is not even enabled
2019-12-05 19:22:22	jneira_	do they work in other os's?
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2019-12-06 21:46:47	fendor	hello everyone! is someone up-to-date what is happening in haskell-lsp?
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2019-12-06 22:10:40	mpickering	hello fendor I have no idea
2019-12-06 22:10:49	mpickering	perhaps Javier knows what the latest is
2019-12-06 22:12:31	fendor	it looks like https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/204 needs to be merged?
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2019-12-06 22:17:51	mpickering	fendor: I think it can be merged. Alan wanted me to change the temp file name slightly but I didn't do it
2019-12-06 22:17:57	mpickering	and I can't be bothered currently..
2019-12-06 22:19:05	fendor	that's alright.
2019-12-06 22:19:31	fendor	I'll look if I can fix some tests based on the wip/persist-virtual-file
2019-12-06 22:23:55	mpickering	Is your hie-bios patch finished?
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2019-12-06 22:32:14	fendor	no, ci is still not happy and I am still parsing the flags for the location of the .ghci file.
2019-12-06 22:33:35	fendor	While I see that parsing the flags is really dodgy, it felt nice to see the exact flags that are going to be passed to ghc. 
2019-12-06 22:33:51	fendor	But if you say it is too dodgy, I will change it
2019-12-06 22:34:54	mpickering	I feel like it might also be an issue for other people passing the -ghci-script flag 
2019-12-06 22:35:06	mpickering	if you pass that flag then you will need this so better to implement it in the more general place
2019-12-06 22:36:42	fendor	ok, sound reasoning. Will change it asap.
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2019-12-09 14:45:05	jneira_	maybe we could merge persist-virtual-file in hie/hie-bios, haskell-lsp and lsp-test?
2019-12-09 14:45:29	jneira_	or we have to make more testing?
2019-12-09 14:48:39	jneira_	i've asked Olentzero (our local Santa) to merge hie-bios as xmas present :-P
2019-12-09 14:50:22	mpickering	If it works then we should merge it?
2019-12-09 15:01:36	jneira_	i am gonna compare circleci results between actual hie-bios (15 func failures/2 unit failures) and persist-virtual-file
2019-12-09 15:02:21	jneira_	persist-virtual-file need its correlated haskell-lsp/lsp-test versions to even run in ci
2019-12-09 15:03:03	jneira_	so i am gonna add them as submodules
2019-12-09 15:05:08	jneira_	in my local windows (persist-virtual-file+fixin keys in win) has unit 2/ func 7  
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2019-12-09 16:17:23	jneira_	hmm stack is picking the (previously?) installed version of haskell-lsp instead the local package i've added as a submodule
2019-12-09 16:17:50	jneira_	maybe i should add it as package instead extra-dep?
2019-12-09 16:17:58	fendor	jneira_, 
2019-12-09 16:18:06	fendor	good morning! 
2019-12-09 16:18:35	fendor	what hie version are you trying to use?
2019-12-09 16:18:37	jneira_	good morning!
2019-12-09 16:19:01	jneira_	persist-virtual-file
2019-12-09 16:19:20	jneira_	but it needs local versions of haskell-lsp and lsp-test
2019-12-09 16:19:34	fendor	I have a branch for that
2019-12-09 16:19:35	jneira_	locally stack and cabal built it
2019-12-09 16:19:49	jneira_	oh, great
2019-12-09 16:20:22	jneira_	did you run it in circle ci?
2019-12-09 16:20:23	fendor	wait a second
2019-12-09 16:20:43	fendor	no, I have to rebase it first to have it contain the changes from hie-bios/"master"
2019-12-09 16:21:06	fendor	wait a second
2019-12-09 16:22:12	jneira_	i wanted to compare tests results between hie-bios head and that one, to see if we can merge in all repos
2019-12-09 16:22:59	fendor	ok, so, then I merge hie-bios into my https://github.com/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/tree/m/wip/fix-persist-virtual-file and push for circle-ci
2019-12-09 16:25:28	jneira_	maybe you should comment the previous extra-deps in stack.yaml?
2019-12-09 16:26:31	fendor	jneira_, https://github.com/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/tree/m/wip/fix-persist-virtual-file and  https://circleci.com/gh/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/tree/m%2Fwip%2Ffix-persist-virtual-file
2019-12-09 16:27:03	fendor	I dont think that is necessary, or else I would have to add these comments in .gitmodules and cabal.project as well
2019-12-09 16:27:50	jneira_	mmm only stack has haskell-lsp and lsp-test as extra-deps (but from hackage not local), yours have both now i think
2019-12-09 16:28:38	jneira_	if i remember correctly stack dont like have them duplicated
2019-12-09 16:28:44	jneira_	*doesnt
2019-12-09 16:29:01	fendor	ok, sorry, I just fixed it for cabal :/ Ill test stack
2019-12-09 16:30:28	jneira_	no worries, i am using only cabal lately too
2019-12-09 16:34:54	fendor	jneira_, I think I fixed it 
2019-12-09 16:35:14	jneira_	:+1:
2019-12-09 16:40:03	jneira_	oh, there is a pending review comment for haskell-lsp from alanz: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/204#discussion_r351527864 
2019-12-09 16:40:32	jneira_	and lsp-test only is waiting for a haskell-lsp release
2019-12-09 16:40:43	fendor	yeah, I actualyl want to challenge that review comment
2019-12-09 16:41:57	fendor	afaik, having leading zeros effectively limits how many versions you can have
2019-12-09 16:42:42	jneira_	up to 999, yeah
2019-12-09 16:43:10	fendor	or some other arbitrary limit. I dislike that idea.
2019-12-09 16:44:10	jneira_	they will be sorted anyway, no?
2019-12-09 16:44:38	fendor	if you sort them by creation time, I suppose so?
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2019-12-09 16:48:26	jneira_	and by name too or i am missing something obvious  :thinking:
2019-12-09 16:50:24	jneira_	my version is failing in ci cause stack is not picking the local haskell-lsp package: https://circleci.com/gh/jneira/haskell-ide-engine/707
2019-12-09 16:56:14	jneira_	wow never mind i've updated only the default stack.yaml
2019-12-09 17:07:28	jneira_	anyway only 6 failing func test / 2 unit ones
2019-12-09 17:08:13	fendor	really? that is great! 
2019-12-09 17:08:33	jneira_	And the seem benign: i will tacke `Expected "Initialising Cradle" but got "Initializing Stack project"` (the easier one :-P)
2019-12-09 17:08:37	fendor	yeah, but a name like <name>1.hs and <name>11.hs will not sort as expected
2019-12-09 17:08:37	jneira_	*they
2019-12-09 17:08:47	fendor	this is awesome! 
2019-12-09 17:10:08	fendor	all import-list stuff are trivial, too
2019-12-09 17:10:16	jneira_	yep
2019-12-09 17:10:28	fendor	although I dont understand why they happen
2019-12-09 17:12:08	jneira_	hmm i didnt see the prefix part in `prefix </>  show file_ver ++ "-" ++ basename  ++ "-" ++ show (hash uri_raw) ++ ".hs"`
2019-12-09 17:14:44	fendor	I still dont think that a padded file_ver is a good idea
2019-12-09 17:16:23	jneira_	agree
2019-12-09 17:16:36	mpickering	I think it's ok
2019-12-09 17:16:42	mpickering	you could pad 6 digits?
2019-12-09 17:16:46	mpickering	or just overflow if it's more than 3
2019-12-09 17:17:14	jneira_	or yyyyMMddhhmmss :-P
2019-12-09 17:17:41	jneira_	but you need IO
2019-12-09 17:17:49	fendor	what happens if there is an overflow? override old versions? 
2019-12-09 17:19:21	fendor	is that always ok? 
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2019-12-09 17:32:38	jneira_	pr done https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/75/files
2019-12-09 17:33:08	mpickering	If you overflow you have 1234
2019-12-09 17:33:15	mpickering	If you pad to 3 digits
2019-12-09 17:33:24	fendor	jneira_, merged
2019-12-09 17:33:24	mpickering	so 001 -> 999 -> 1001
2019-12-09 17:34:08	fendor	then there would be not point to padding anyways, right?
2019-12-09 17:55:04	jneira_	failing tests of import suggestions is due the order of import lists (with brittany or floskell)
2019-12-09 17:55:49	jneira_	so maybe we could simply change the order in the expected output i think
2019-12-09 17:56:14	fendor	jneira_, agreed. However, I do not understand why the order changed
2019-12-09 17:58:49	fendor	I think I made the only changes to hsimport, which determines the import location and none of their test-cases have changed, so... confused
2019-12-09 17:59:10	jneira_	mmm brittany has the same version than master and floskell only the minor one
2019-12-09 17:59:17	jneira_	is differente
2019-12-09 17:59:56	fendor	yeah, but the insert location is determined by hsimport
2019-12-09 18:00:31	fendor	which has been updated as well, but I am pretty sure, we did not change it.
2019-12-09 18:02:41	jneira_	ah ok, the expected order is System.*, Prelude, Control.*, Data.* and the actual one   System.*, Prelude, Data.*, Control.*
2019-12-09 18:04:11	fendor	yeah. Maybe this is caused by the order in which codeactions are executed? Not sure if hsimport import actions converge to a certain point
2019-12-09 18:05:05	jneira_	the expected seems better to me
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2019-12-09 18:12:57	jneira_	there is the weird `Valid hole fits include` fot type holes
2019-12-09 18:13:23	jneira_	and it seems find definition/ find type definition is not working (unit and func)
2019-12-09 18:15:08	fendor	the latter is to be expected atm and also mentioned in the meta ticket to merge hie-bios
2019-12-09 18:17:16	jneira_	aja, the type hole one is ghc version related, investigating
2019-12-09 18:32:54	jneira_	the older hie version inside hare submodule includes the `Valid hole fits include` but no the actual one so maybe i will simply add?
2019-12-09 18:33:23	jneira_	it was removed with https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/commit/805961d829a88c9daf290a2c36e21ff737808e26 by wz1000
2019-12-09 18:54:47	jneira_	pr for typed holes done but i would like some review cause i think the actual substitution would be the better one: 
2019-12-09 18:56:05	fendor	jneira_, wz1000 did this change, right? we can ask them
2019-12-09 18:56:35	mpickering	probably just changed it because that's the way the test was failing
2019-12-09 18:56:39	mpickering	for him locally
2019-12-09 18:57:04	fendor	makes sense
2019-12-09 18:59:03	jneira_	i mentioned the nick in the pr
2019-12-09 18:59:34	fendor	thank you!
2019-12-09 19:00:53	jneira_	but anyway maybe we should keep the test case and fix the substitution message, it has to be edited to compile, no?
2019-12-09 19:25:24	fendor	jneira_, what needs to be edited to compile?
2019-12-09 19:28:47	jneira_	remove the `Valid hole fits include`part
2019-12-09 19:29:44	jneira_	or it doesnt work that way?
2019-12-09 19:31:08	jneira_	sorry i should try it manually to check the behaviour  
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2019-12-10 15:02:47	mpickering	jneira_:  thanks for your debugging work
2019-12-10 15:03:05	mpickering	Does applying suggestions work with master usually?
2019-12-10 15:03:19	mpickering	That part shouldn't have changed on the bios branch
2019-12-10 15:04:43	jneira_	i want to test with master, i guess the behaviour would be the same
2019-12-10 15:05:15	jneira_	it it is the case i'll try to fix it in master
2019-12-10 15:05:19	jneira_	*if
2019-12-10 15:06:41	jneira_	but other refactorings works (replace with a known symbol, replace a typed hole, ...)
2019-12-10 15:08:11	jneira_	dont know it the error with refactorings from hlint are different cause their source is hlint or the nature of the textual refactoring :-/
2019-12-10 15:27:26	mpickering	Probably because they use the apply-refact library
2019-12-10 15:27:33	mpickering	Which appears to be broken
2019-12-10 15:28:01	mpickering	The other ones just insert some text rather than anything fancy
2019-12-10 15:40:34	jneira_	:+1: i'll follow that path then
2019-12-10 15:42:25	jneira_	however use hlint and apply-refact directly in the console works so there would be some bad interaction
2019-12-10 15:45:11	mpickering	ok sounds promising
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2019-12-10 16:15:51	jneira_	good morning fendor, we are a little bit closer :-D
2019-12-10 16:16:18	fendor	jneira_, good morning! yeah, you are making great progress!
2019-12-10 16:17:11	jneira_	just in case, in linux hlint suggestions activates the quick fix, no? 
2019-12-10 16:17:37	jneira_	or you have to apply the refactor with the light bulb like me in windows?
2019-12-10 16:18:55	jneira_	well i fixed the easier ones :-P  but happy to help with my 2 cents
2019-12-10 16:19:30	fendor	In vscode, I have to apply the refactors with the light bulb.
2019-12-10 16:19:57	fendor	and I think I remember that sometimes, I had the same problem as you, that applying a refactor removes unrelated code
2019-12-10 16:20:09	fendor	but it was never a persisting issue
2019-12-10 16:28:45	fendor	jneira_, may I ask your opinion? In https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/97 we want now to change it to use stack exec ghc directly. I thought of two ways:
2019-12-10 16:29:15	fendor	Pass the executable as a single big string "stack exec ghc" and store this in $HIE_BIOS_GHC
2019-12-10 16:29:43	fendor	this works fine in linux, but would complicate the windows wrapper
2019-12-10 16:30:24	fendor	since we are calling a process, we have to split HIE_BIOS_GHC in command and arguments, afaik
2019-12-10 16:30:38	fendor	Or, add another env variable $HIE_BIOS_GHC_ARGS
2019-12-10 16:31:01	fendor	would make linux and windows wapper trivial, but complicates the hie-bios code.
2019-12-10 16:31:06	fendor	*wrapper
2019-12-10 16:32:28	fendor	I tend to the latter, but then we have to define proper handling of this new env variable, e.g. what happens if it is unset, or if it is empty, etc...
2019-12-10 16:33:13	fendor	and it makes it a bit complex to have an overview of every env var that we might use
2019-12-10 16:39:01	jneira_	mmm i am reading the pr code
2019-12-10 16:40:02	jneira_	the line `readProcessInDirectory work_dir "stack" ["path", "--compiler-exe"]` should not give us the correct path to the ghc used by `stack exec ghc`?
2019-12-10 16:40:22	mpickering	Not if you use stack's docker integration
2019-12-10 16:41:25	fendor	also, stack exec creates a custom env.
2019-12-10 16:41:54	fendor	setting env-vars and so on.
2019-12-10 16:44:00	fendor	mpickering, what would you prefer? Or should I rather keep thinking?
2019-12-10 16:45:08	mpickering	I think adding `HIE_BIOS_GHC_ARGS` sounds easiest
2019-12-10 16:45:34	mpickering	So you can pass `stack` and `exec ghc` separately and stitch them together in the different necessary ways
2019-12-10 16:47:26	fendor	exactly. besides being the easiest, is it also the most reliable?
2019-12-10 16:48:53	jneira_	> Not if you use stack's docker integration / jumm afaiu that sounds like a stack bug but i suppose we have to handle it
2019-12-10 16:50:37	fendor	but stack exec also sets some env-vars and unsets some. e.g. for nix integration
2019-12-10 16:50:57	mpickering	jneira_: How is it a stack bug? GHC only exists inside the containers
2019-12-10 16:58:19	jneira_	i see: it gives the path of the ghc inside the container (i suppose) but you cant use it easily without `stack exec`
2019-12-10 16:58:59	mpickering	I'm not sure what it does
2019-12-10 16:59:37	jneira_	no docker integration for windows :-/
2019-12-10 17:02:53	jneira_	to have $HIE_BIOS_GHC_ARGS could open more use cases (so maybe the added complexity worths it?)
2019-12-10 17:07:33	fendor	I think so, too
2019-12-10 17:07:39	fendor	I will write a proof of concept
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2019-12-10 19:20:19	fendor	I think, I am idiot. And mpickering was right all along. The bug https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/60 is probably something in hie, not hie-bios
2019-12-10 19:20:46	mpickering	hmm not sure I understand
2019-12-10 19:21:40	fendor	*I am an idiot
2019-12-10 19:22:00	fendor	I claimed that hie-bios crashes if there is no ghc on the path.
2019-12-10 19:22:13	mpickering	It will do?
2019-12-10 19:23:01	fendor	which it does on windows, granted, but on linux, everything works as expected actually
2019-12-10 19:23:16	mpickering	I can't think how?
2019-12-10 19:23:24	mpickering	1) The wrapper calls ghc directly
2019-12-10 19:23:31	mpickering	and there is still that call to `ghc` to get the lib dir
2019-12-10 19:24:11	fendor	yeah, the lib dir is only used if you use withGHC, right?
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2019-12-10 19:24:29	fendor	but the wrapper is called by `stack repl`, which puts ghc on the path
2019-12-10 19:24:39	mpickering	interesting
2019-12-10 19:25:03	fendor	so, the only crash point is lib dir and on windows, e.g. https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/blob/master/src/HIE/Bios/Cradle.hs#L306
2019-12-10 19:34:15	fendor	or I think? I confused myself :/
2019-12-10 19:37:29	mpickering	does stack not modify the path on windows?
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2019-12-10 19:44:14	fendor	yes, but we are compiling the wrapper with ghc directly, not wihtin some ghc command
2019-12-10 19:53:39	mpickering	I see
2019-12-10 20:07:12	fendor	I meant, within some stack command
2019-12-10 20:10:46	mpickering	yes I understand the issue
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2019-12-10 23:47:24	alanz	Any comments on https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/48#issuecomment-564163713?
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2019-12-11 00:15:11	infinisil	Ah I missed 0.14.0.0, will update all-hies soon
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2019-12-11 01:13:15	alanz	infinisil, sorry, I should have pinged you. Its pretty much just a maintenance release
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2019-12-11 01:29:27	infinisil	alanz: No worries :)
2019-12-11 01:36:47	infinisil	I should automate this anyways
2019-12-11 01:39:13	alanz	I wonder if we can put a commit hook, or action of some kind to ping your repo when we tag
2019-12-11 01:42:33	fendor	alanz, I have a question regarding https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/204 where you suggested a name scheme of filename-001-hash.hs
2019-12-11 01:42:47	fendor	what would happen on an overflow, e.g. filename-999-hash.hs?
2019-12-11 01:43:49	alanz	iirc the number is the file version. And we zero-pad so sorting works, but its not critical. So it just becomes filename-1000-hash.hs
2019-12-11 01:46:38	fendor	doesnt it make padding kind of pointless, then?
2019-12-11 01:47:46	alanz	well, the idea of this is if you ls a dir they come out in order.
2019-12-11 01:48:02	alanz	So you will normally be doing that to debug, and have small numbers
2019-12-11 01:48:11	infinisil	alanz: I think you could configure web hooks for it
2019-12-11 01:48:37	alanz	but its a pain when you get things sorted as 0,1,11,12,13,2,3, ...
2019-12-11 01:49:33	alanz	fendor, this is all just to make debugging a little easier, nothing critical about it
2019-12-11 01:49:41	fendor	that is true. Ok, if the purpose is for easier debugging
2019-12-11 01:51:03	fendor	so, just fixing the order and adding a left-pad would make this pr ready for merge, which in turn causes another release of haskell-lsp?
2019-12-11 01:52:29	alanz	works for me
2019-12-11 01:52:40	alanz	so long as lukelau is ok with that
2019-12-11 01:53:14	fendor	I am just asking what is happening and what the plan is
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2019-12-11 01:54:12	alanz	Well, its quite important, I think we should do it, to get the virtual file fix out there
2019-12-11 01:57:14	fendor	ok, so, that needs to happen, and I have to finish up hie-bios/stack stuff.
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2019-12-11 02:00:25	fendor	mpickering, would you mind adding me as a contributor for mpickering/haskell-lsp so I can finish https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/204 ? 
2019-12-11 02:01:16	mpickering	done
2019-12-11 02:01:29	fendor	thank you!
2019-12-11 02:01:54	alanz	mpickering, what do you think of removing HaRe for a bit? to ease the hie-bios merge
2019-12-11 02:02:25	mpickering	I thought it worked?
2019-12-11 02:02:53	mpickering	I don't have a particular opinion so if you think it's easier then we can do that
2019-12-11 02:03:05	alanz	parts of it work. But it needs the module graph to work out client modules
2019-12-11 02:03:11	mpickering	People have started copying h-i-e code into ghcide now to implement things like completions
2019-12-11 02:03:26	alanz	and without that the functionality such as rename does not work properly
2019-12-11 02:03:33	alanz	yes, I saw that.
2019-12-11 02:04:01	alanz	And hence I want to get hie-bios merged sooner rather than later, so we can try to get a level of convergence there too
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2019-12-11 02:04:19	alanz	because there is no point in having two of these, given all the effort in them
2019-12-11 02:04:38	alanz	fendor, I made you a collaborator on alanz/haskell-lsp too
2019-12-11 02:05:11	fendor	alanz, thank you! 
2019-12-11 02:05:36	alanz	so you, lukelau et all can coordinate releases, without being help back by me
2019-12-11 02:05:53	alanz	especially as it needs a lot of coordination
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2019-12-11 02:33:52	alanz	fendor, there is now a conflict on your haskell-lsp PT
2019-12-11 02:33:53	alanz	PR
2019-12-11 02:34:04	fendor	yeah, fixing it
2019-12-11 02:40:27	fendor	is it ok if I force-push?
2019-12-11 02:40:35	fendor	Or rather a merge-commit?
2019-12-11 02:41:05	alanz	yes to either. I came across force-with-lease recently, which is a "Safer" force push
2019-12-11 02:41:12	alanz	checks for clobber first
2019-12-11 02:56:12	fendor	whoa, this took a while
2019-12-11 03:08:52	alanz	what did?
2019-12-11 03:09:34	alanz	the haskell-lsp test/rebase thing?
2019-12-11 03:11:44	fendor	yeah
2019-12-11 03:13:42	alanz	I am just about done ripping out HaRe
2019-12-11 03:14:25	fendor	when hare is removed, the last tests that did not succeed should be fixed
2019-12-11 03:14:34	fendor	or rather, removed
2019-12-11 03:14:40	alanz	thats what I am hoping
2019-12-11 03:14:52	alanz	Because I *know* it does not/can not work properly
2019-12-11 03:14:58	alanz	and I will rather add it back later
2019-12-11 03:15:05	alanz	and not hold things up any more
2019-12-11 03:15:11	fendor	iirc, jneira, said that the other test-cases are trivial
2019-12-11 03:16:00	alanz	great. Means we can move this sucker forward, after all the effort you guys have put in
2019-12-11 03:16:36	fendor	and hopefully not remove everything when we merge with ghcide :D
2019-12-11 03:17:13	alanz	yes. That is the main driver right now, things are drifting apart. We need to converge again.
2019-12-11 03:17:20	alanz	On *something*, whatever it is
2019-12-11 03:17:47	alanz	For me hie has always been about providing a common context for tool developers to converge
2019-12-11 03:17:54	alanz	without having to reinvent the wheel
2019-12-11 03:18:23	alanz	And I think there are some nice plugin possibilities in ghcide. Want to get that process moving again
2019-12-11 03:18:30	alanz	from our side, thatis
2019-12-11 03:19:40	fendor	I still cant imagine how a merge of the projects might pan out
2019-12-11 03:21:24	alanz	nor me, but we cant even think about it until hie-bios is in
2019-12-11 03:21:34	fendor	true
2019-12-11 03:21:36	alanz	btw, first run of tests after surgery: https://gist.github.com/alanz/bdc4fa8ec4b02240ca66cd690dac6b7c
2019-12-11 03:22:24	fendor	all these functional code action failures happen to me, too, but dont seem to happen in ci
2019-12-11 03:23:26	alanz	probably versions of things.
2019-12-11 03:23:42	alanz	And I see various tests are using hare commands, need to replace them out too
2019-12-11 03:24:50	fendor	yeah, hare seems to be a pretty big part of hie
2019-12-11 03:25:18	alanz	well, it just got used for tests. And it was the thing I was familiar with when initially working on it
2019-12-11 03:25:46	alanz	Truth be told, hie came about as a vehicle for me to get HaRe into IDEs. Without having to do all the grunt work in each one
2019-12-11 03:26:22	fendor	hehe, and now hie got pretty big
2019-12-11 03:26:51	alanz	yes indeed.
2019-12-11 03:27:25	alanz	But HaRe is also a good sanity placeholder, of how to put something in that is not part of the main base of hie but should be exposed through it, and uses the API
2019-12-11 03:27:41	alanz	But then I guess hlint, brittany, et al do that too now
2019-12-11 03:28:12	alanz	And HaRe needs *so* much work to get it working properly, it is unlikely that I will ever get to it
2019-12-11 03:28:58	fendor	I would not say never. It is a great tool after all, so others might also spend time on it.
2019-12-11 03:29:30	alanz	I hope so.
2019-12-11 03:29:58	alanz	But I kind of took detours into other things all aimed at HaRe, intending to come back each time. GHC AST, ghc-exactprint, hie
2019-12-11 03:30:26	alanz	Collateral benefit has been improving the tooling experience I guess. Just not HaRe
2019-12-11 03:31:00	fendor	HaRe is pretty big. I think that is the main difference to the other tools
2019-12-11 03:31:18	alanz	true. But needs a lot of TLC
2019-12-11 03:32:45	fendor	I think we will get back to it, once the dust settles
2019-12-11 03:33:10	fendor	since its features are pretty big, I think rather sooner than öater
2019-12-11 03:34:09	alanz	I hope so, but no point holding things up at the moment.
2019-12-11 03:34:24	alanz	Main thing is to have a decent way of getting a project module graph
2019-12-11 03:35:03	alanz	Which takes a fair bit of thinking/effort, and only for HaRe
2019-12-11 03:35:16	alanz	And I think it will be easier to consider once the merge is done
2019-12-11 03:36:02	fendor	since hie-bios is cradle based, this seems to be complicated. Yeah, and polish the rough edges
2019-12-11 03:36:56	alanz	exactly
2019-12-11 03:46:26	alanz	FYI https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/tree/hie-bios-no-hare
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2019-12-12 00:03:35	alanz	Does anyone have any thoughts/ideas around https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/821?
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2019-12-12 00:58:44	jneira	alanz: what about the suggestion of enable github sponsors?
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2019-12-12 01:24:03	alanz	jneira, we could do that, for me the bigger issue is how we use any funding that comes in. Money has a way of making people unhappy when you mix it into something like this
2019-12-12 01:24:17	alanz	causing friction between contributors
2019-12-12 01:26:50	Rembane	alanz: Do you have any running costs at the moment?
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2019-12-12 01:27:37	alanz	No more than anyone else.  For me I am in the lucky position that hie is a hobby, I earn my living doing other things.
2019-12-12 01:27:53	alanz	And not prepared to commit to this sort of thing full time, too uncertain
2019-12-12 01:27:56	Rembane	Got it. Does the project have any running costs? 
2019-12-12 01:28:33	alanz	Not really, we run free CI, which is the major potential cost
2019-12-12 01:29:09	alanz	And I have no idea how much might come in.  Perhaps we could use it to make some t-shirts or other goodies for people
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2019-12-12 01:31:26	Rembane	Then it mainly sounds like money complicates things until people can be hired full time to work on hie
2019-12-12 01:35:40	alanz	that has been my thought up to now
2019-12-12 01:37:03	jneira	agree, dhall lately has established a way to spend contributions via bug/feature bounty https://discourse.dhall-lang.org/t/funding-for-dhall-using-opencollectiv
2019-12-12 01:38:02	jneira	uh?
2019-12-12 01:38:06	jneira	https://discourse.dhall-lang.org/t/funding-for-dhall-using-opencollective/70?u=jneira
2019-12-12 01:38:54	Rembane	jneira: Does it work? Or, what's the result so far?
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2019-12-12 01:40:15	jneira	one feature done so far i think
2019-12-12 01:41:26	jneira	https://discourse.dhall-lang.org/t/expense-proposal-pure-dhall-function-to-render-yaml/92/7
2019-12-12 01:42:21	jneira	and the pr https://github.com/dhall-lang/dhall-lang/pull/799
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2019-12-12 01:45:20	jneira	but i am not sure it it can work at mid/long term without frictions
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2019-12-12 04:41:47	alanz	What does it mean if a test fails with an uncaught SessionException?
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2019-12-12 13:07:17	jneira_	mpickering: i've tested hie master again in windows 7 and the refactoring works (and the temp files have correct line endings)
2019-12-12 13:08:08	jneira_	after switching to hie-bios, the issue is reproduced again and the temp files has incorrect line endings
2019-12-12 13:08:48	jneira_	i would swear in windows 10 with master i saw the files with unix line endings :-/  (but i will test it again later)
2019-12-12 13:09:25	jneira_	hie-bios uses `rope` to handle file contants right? 
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2019-12-12 13:33:10	mpickering	Yeah
2019-12-12 13:47:37	 *	jneira_ looking for the function that makes the temp file write
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2019-12-12 18:29:37	jneira_	omg the issue was triggered by having set CRLF in visual studio as line endings for the file
2019-12-12 18:29:40	jneira_	:-(
2019-12-12 18:30:01	jneira_	(the issue about bad refactorings)
2019-12-12 18:30:20	jneira_	so there is a easy workaround
2019-12-12 18:31:42	jneira_	i think hie could replace all `\r\n` by `\n` at top level (in `textDocument/didOpen`, `textDocument/didChange`etc)
2019-12-12 18:32:02	jneira_	or there would be another better fix?
2019-12-12 18:33:05	jneira_	or even in haskell-lsp
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2019-12-12 23:22:17	alanz	This is a very heavily travelled code path, we must be careful about introducing too much computation, if we can avoid it
2019-12-12 23:22:48	alanz	Can we maybe flag the line ending used, and work from there? write the file using an appropriate mode?
2019-12-12 23:23:23	alanz	I presume asking windows users not to do that is not an option
2019-12-12 23:25:46	alanz	jneira, ^^
2019-12-12 23:31:41	jneira_[m]	Yeah to have to use LF could be annoying
2019-12-12 23:32:34	jneira_[m]	I think that simply save the file correctly would be the best option
2019-12-12 23:33:33	jneira_[m]	Now a new CRLF is introduced for each CR i think
2019-12-12 23:34:39	jneira_[m]	(that is the option i mentioned in my last comment in the issue)
2019-12-12 23:41:19	gitterbridge_hie	[FrancisToth] Hi guys, Haskell noob here. I start playing with VSCode (1.40.2) and Haskell IDE Engine (0.14.0.0) with Alan Zimmerman’s plugin (Haskell Language Server v. 0.0.31) , and got a really weirs behaviour. Given the following code:
2019-12-12 23:41:19	gitterbridge_hie	```haskell
2019-12-12 23:41:19	gitterbridge_hie	module Chap9
2019-12-12 23:41:19	gitterbridge_hie	    ( 
2019-12-12 23:41:19	gitterbridge_hie	    )
2019-12-12 23:41:19	gitterbridge_hie	where
2019-12-12 23:41:19	gitterbridge_hie	loop3 :: (String, String) -> [String]
2019-12-12 23:41:20	gitterbridge_hie	loop3 (_, (_ : _)) = loop3 $ ([], [])
2019-12-12 23:41:20	gitterbridge_hie	foo :: String -> String
2019-12-12 23:41:22	gitterbridge_hie	foo s = s
2019-12-12 23:41:22	gitterbridge_hie	```
2019-12-12 23:41:22	gitterbridge_hie	If I add another function named like `foo`
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2019-12-13 00:52:37	FrancisToth	Hi all! I've already posted this on Gitter, but it seems this place is where I may have an answer. I started playing with VSCode (1.40.2) and Haskell IDE Engine (0.14.0.0) with Alan Zimmerman’s plugin (Haskell Language Server v. 0.0.31) , and got a really weird behaviour. Given the following code:module Chap9    (     )whereloop3 :: (String,
2019-12-13 00:52:37	FrancisToth	String) -> [String]loop3 (_, (_ : _)) = loop3 $ ([], [])foo :: String -> Stringfoo s = sIf I add another function named like foofoo :: String -> Stringfoo s = sand fix the name of the duplicated function, the code compiles (when loaded from the terminal) but the editor still shows the stale error. I do not get the error if the loop3 function is
2019-12-13 00:52:38	FrancisToth	declared like this:loop3 :: (String, String) -> [String]loop3 (_, _ : _) = loop3 $ ([], [])So it looks like the problem comes from pattern matching but I cannot explain why.If this is not the right room to talk about this, I sincerely apologize. In any case, thank you in advance.
2019-12-13 00:53:01	FrancisToth	Wow sorry, I'm gonna try to fix the display for this
2019-12-13 00:56:36	FrancisToth	Sorry for the lack of formatting, here's the issue I was referring to: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/issues/180. If anyone here can help, I would really appreciate. Thanks in advance.
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2019-12-13 01:45:20	jneira	gitterbridge_hie, did you finish your question?
2019-12-13 01:46:23	jneira	oh you continued with other nick
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2019-12-13 04:25:21	alanz	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/78
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2019-12-13 18:38:19	reactormonk	HIE keeps restarting on lookup.... any way to figure out why?
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2019-12-14 00:05:40	alanz	lukelau, if you are happy with https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/204 I think we should merge and start the release dance
2019-12-14 00:06:59	lukelau	alanz sure
2019-12-14 00:08:12	alanz	No great rush, and I can do the haskell-lsp bit, but I am not sure if it needs a lsp-test bump
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2019-12-14 01:54:54	jneira	alanz: i'l try to fix the CRLF issue asap, could it be included in the next release of haskell-lsp?
2019-12-14 02:02:52	alanz	jneira: sure
2019-12-14 02:03:18	alanz	When you are ready, dont destroy your weekend for it
2019-12-14 02:05:00	jneira	he, i have a strong hobby-ethic :-P
2019-12-14 02:13:15	fendor	jneira, may I also pester you, to give https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/97 a look again on windows? Finally found the CI problem.
2019-12-14 02:14:11	fendor	alanz, is it ok to merge https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/78 already?
2019-12-14 02:16:13	jneira	no worries, i'll take a look
2019-12-14 02:16:32	fendor	thank you! 
2019-12-14 02:16:34	alanz	fendor: I am happy to
2019-12-14 02:21:19	fendor	done!
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2019-12-14 02:52:13	jneira	so the next version of haskell-lsp (with persist-virtual-file) will not work for hie master (without changes),right?
2019-12-14 02:53:31	fendor	jneira, yeah, but these changes are already in https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/67 right?
2019-12-14 02:58:42	mpickering	Should be
2019-12-14 02:58:59	mpickering	How are you stack changes coming along fendor?
2019-12-14 02:59:15	fendor	mpickering, fixed ci, I am pretty happy with it right now.
2019-12-14 02:59:22	fendor	only pain point is systemLibDir
2019-12-14 02:59:28	jneira	:+1:
2019-12-14 02:59:34	fendor	but I have no idea on how to fix that
2019-12-14 03:00:40	mpickering	Well, is using ghc-paths an option? It will probably give the wrong answer in some cases was my worry
2019-12-14 03:01:05	mpickering	You can make the cradle return the libdir as well perhaps?
2019-12-14 03:01:20	mpickering	Then calling ghc from in there is ok
2019-12-14 03:02:22	fendor	the cradle return the libdir? how would that work? every cradle specifies a command that produces the libdir?
2019-12-14 03:04:50	fendor	however, getSystemLibDir is only used by withGhcT, withGhc', check and debug, in hie and ghcide, it should never be called anyway
2019-12-14 03:07:41	fendor	so, for now I would consider this pr as done. Documentation needs updating. At some point, we removed the following hie.yaml: "cradle: { stack }", which used to be valid, but isnt anymore.
2019-12-14 03:08:28	fendor	and it also isnt valid in master
2019-12-14 03:13:42	mpickering	How does h-i-e get the libdir? From ghc-paths?
2019-12-14 03:14:05	mpickering	I was a bit worried looking at CI about the stuff to do with environment files
2019-12-14 03:14:13	mpickering	Any idea what that is about?
2019-12-14 03:14:59	mpickering	Do you want to have a call sometime shortly about ghcide? I am wondering if I should attempt the integration over xmas
2019-12-14 03:15:50	fendor	I dont know how h-i-e find the libdir. 
2019-12-14 03:16:49	fendor	the CI stuff was probably due to non-reinstallable packages and stack. Forcing the stack.yaml in the test projects to have a resolver that resembles the respective ghc versions fixed it
2019-12-14 03:17:22	fendor	sure!
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2019-12-14 03:22:55	mpickering	I can do Sunday evening or during the workday next week
2019-12-14 03:26:24	fendor	can not promise sunday evening, but some workday next week works for me. Every day, except monday 9-14. which is 8-13 in your time, iirc?
2019-12-14 03:28:54	mpickering	yeah
2019-12-14 03:29:17	mpickering	I get the feeling that I'm going to be the one to implement multi-component support in ghcide and I'm not sure how I feel about that
2019-12-14 03:30:17	fendor	they dont have multi-component support yet? 0.o Or does the cradle based approach not count?
2019-12-14 03:30:30	mpickering	I'm pretty sure they don't
2019-12-14 03:30:40	mpickering	because they are still using the version of hie-bios before multi cradle
2019-12-14 03:31:54	fendor	they are using one hie.yaml per cradle, afaik
2019-12-14 03:32:35	mpickering	yeah but the plan is to use one ghc session per hie.yaml
2019-12-14 03:32:52	mpickering	and assume that all the components specified in one hie.yaml file are consistent with each other
2019-12-14 03:32:57	mpickering	ie, they have the same package dependencies
2019-12-14 03:36:13	fendor	 and why do you think you are going to do this? In order to merge the projects?
2019-12-14 03:43:48	mpickering	yeah because if I try to integrate the two together
2019-12-14 03:44:11	mpickering	then I will get annoyed at anything which is broken and also fix that..
2019-12-14 03:44:21	fendor	yeah makes sense. I cant imagine how this should work out. It seems so fundamentally different
2019-12-14 03:49:00	fendor	btw, I am currently testing if https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/issues/221 is indeed fixed
2019-12-14 03:49:11	fendor	gonna report back
2019-12-14 03:50:36	mpickering	how will you do that?
2019-12-14 03:50:44	mpickering	They are really using an old version of hie-bios
2019-12-14 03:51:33	fendor	just using a stack cradle and invoking hie-bios check? 
2019-12-14 03:51:43	fendor	it at least downloads a lot of docker stuff
2019-12-14 03:51:55	fendor	with docker enabled
2019-12-14 03:56:23	mpickering	ah I see
2019-12-14 03:56:40	mpickering	did we make `debug` take a filepath as an argument yet?
2019-12-14 03:57:57	mpickering	I will do that now if we didn;t
2019-12-14 03:59:31	mpickering	seems like not
2019-12-14 04:00:36	mpickering	I am much happier with the stack cradle now
2019-12-14 04:00:36	mpickering	but as I don't use it, I hope everyone else is as well
2019-12-14 04:04:17	fendor	the explicit component feels much better
2019-12-14 04:04:56	fendor	I get pretty far with hie-bios check, up until: "Did not find executable at specified path: /run/user/1000/bios-wrapper1193-0"
2019-12-14 04:05:58	mpickering	I suppose it is running `stack repl` inside the docker container
2019-12-14 04:06:41	mpickering	Can you have a look at how the filesystem is mounted in the docker container? 
2019-12-14 04:06:51	mpickering	because the ghci script must be mounted somehow?
2019-12-14 04:07:21	fendor	yeah, I can try. 
2019-12-14 04:09:36	mpickering	`-v3` might give enough of an answer
2019-12-14 04:09:36	mpickering	but don't stress about it too much if it's not obvious, this is quite a niche I think
2019-12-14 04:09:49	fendor	how does the stack docker work? downloads an lts container which is used to compile the project?
2019-12-14 04:10:55	mpickering	I guess so?
2019-12-14 04:11:03	mpickering	perhaps not even lts but just one which has ghc installed 
2019-12-14 04:11:10	mpickering	tbh, I didn't know it existed
2019-12-14 04:11:27	fendor	I tried to use it once at work, but found another, better tutorial
2019-12-14 04:11:34	mpickering	It sounds like one of the features they implemented in stack when they launched it to prove it was "better than cabal"
2019-12-14 04:11:47	fendor	there definitely is fpco/stack-build    lts-13.19  image now
2019-12-14 04:12:26	fendor	docker logs also look pretty grim: pid1: /tmp/stack: createProcess: runInteractiveProcess: exec: does not exist (No such file or directory)
2019-12-14 04:12:42	fendor	I dont know how this relates to the real output of hie-bios
2019-12-14 04:13:16	mpickering	The documentation says they mount the project directory and ~/.stack inside the container
2019-12-14 04:13:29	mpickering	so if we wrote the wrapper script into ~/.stack then it would work 🤷
2019-12-14 04:14:44	fendor	dont think that is the purpose of ~/.stack 
2019-12-14 04:15:12	mpickering	:) I don't think this is the purpose of the `--with-compiler` option either
2019-12-14 04:15:22	mpickering	until they implement something directly there isn't much choice
2019-12-14 04:15:53	fendor	fair
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2019-12-14 04:18:22	mpickering	however, I don't care about this issue too much, so it depends what you think
2019-12-14 04:18:32	mpickering	these docker images must be massive
2019-12-14 04:18:36	mpickering	if they contain all the LTS
2019-12-14 04:19:27	fendor	they are
2019-12-14 04:19:33	fendor	9 GB
2019-12-14 04:19:38	fendor	just the image
2019-12-14 04:20:11	mpickering	https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/blob/06cda686573cb8615f5f78f845a781fdb55a53d3/src/Stack/Docker.hs#L252
2019-12-14 04:20:32	mpickering	So they also mount home directory
2019-12-14 04:21:07	fendor	wat? that doesnt sound sane
2019-12-14 04:21:43	mpickering	So if you put the wrapper into ~/.cache it would also work
2019-12-14 04:21:52	mpickering	which is usually where XDG_CACHE_DIR points to
2019-12-14 04:22:27	fendor	would it? wouldnt the filepath still be incorrect?
2019-12-14 04:22:46	mpickering	hmm maybe
2019-12-14 04:23:04	fendor	let me just try
2019-12-14 04:23:16	mpickering	they probably mount it onto HOME still tho
2019-12-14 04:23:31	mpickering	so if you use ~ rather than `/home/fendor`
2019-12-14 04:24:48	mpickering	But they also try to set USER
2019-12-14 04:24:48	mpickering	https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/blob/06cda686573cb8615f5f78f845a781fdb55a53d3/src/Stack/Docker.hs#L184
2019-12-14 04:24:59	mpickering	So it will probably just work as long as it's mounted
2019-12-14 04:25:20	fendor	wouldnt it be a workaround to add /tmp as a volume?
2019-12-14 04:25:39	jneira	wow, weird assembly
2019-12-14 04:25:51	mpickering	How would you do that fendor ?
2019-12-14 04:26:21	mpickering	You mean to temporarily symlink it into ~ or something?
2019-12-14 04:26:32	fendor	force the user to do it
2019-12-14 04:26:38	fendor	you can add more volumes to stack.yaml
2019-12-14 04:26:53	mpickering	well that's a workaround, if it works
2019-12-14 04:27:07	mpickering	but as you pointed out, it's not `/tmp` necessarily is it
2019-12-14 04:27:18	fendor	ok, so, writeFile can actually not deal with "~/.cache"
2019-12-14 04:28:11	fendor	did not know that
2019-12-14 04:28:26	mpickering	I suppose these are the extra mounts - https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/blob/06cda686573cb8615f5f78f845a781fdb55a53d3/src/Stack/Docker.hs#L271
2019-12-14 04:29:30	mpickering	Can you specify extra mounts on the command line?
2019-12-14 04:29:57	fendor	:/ "Did not find executable at specified path: ~/.cache/hie-bios/bios-wrapper"
2019-12-14 04:30:15	fendor	I doubt it
2019-12-14 04:30:16	mpickering	You can pass `--docker-mount`
2019-12-14 04:30:19	mpickering	You can :)
2019-12-14 04:30:36	mpickering	So can you test if that works? with/without docker? If it forces docker then it's no use
2019-12-14 04:31:25	fendor	what is the correct mount command? --docker-mount "/tmp:/tmp"?
2019-12-14 04:31:54	fendor	every time I use docker, I do a "fire and forget"
2019-12-14 04:32:02	mpickering	You can just say `/tmp` I think
2019-12-14 04:32:08	mpickering	if you want to mount it in the same place
2019-12-14 04:32:31	fendor	ok,
2019-12-14 04:33:41	fendor	thx, trying now
2019-12-14 04:35:47	fendor	ok, now it finds the file
2019-12-14 04:36:02	fendor	"Configuring GHCi with the following packages: fprog","Received ExitFailure 127 when running","Raw command: /tmp/bios-wrapper13353-0 --version","Standard error:","","/tmp/bios-wrapper13353-0: line 13: : command not found",""
2019-12-14 04:36:21	mpickering	because it doesn't have the env var set?
2019-12-14 04:36:26	fendor	probably
2019-12-14 04:36:33	mpickering	--docker-env NAME=VALUE  Set environment variable in container (may specify
2019-12-14 04:36:33	mpickering	                           multiple times)
2019-12-14 04:36:49	mpickering	does it just ignore the options if docker: false?
2019-12-14 04:37:12	fendor	not tried yet
2019-12-14 04:38:50	mpickering	I wonder why these command line options exist in the first place
2019-12-14 04:40:10	fendor	following command seems to work with docker: stack repl --docker-env HIE_BIOS_OUTPUT=output  --docker-env HIE_BIOS_GHC=ghc --docker-mount /tmp --no-nix-pure --with-ghc ../hie-bios/wrappers/cabal
2019-12-14 04:40:49	mpickering	and with docker: false it doesn't force docker?
2019-12-14 04:41:23	mpickering	if so, this will be another amazing sequence of hacks which somehow ended up working
2019-12-14 04:41:35	fendor	this command also works, when docker is disabled: env HIE_BIOS_GHC=ghc HIE_BIOS_OUTPUT=output stack repl --docker-env HIE_BIOS_OUTPUT=output  --docker-env HIE_BIOS_GHC=ghc --docker-mount /tmp --no-nix-pure --with-ghc ../hie-bios/wrappers/cabal
2019-12-14 04:42:45	mpickering	Perhaps we shouldn't mount the whole of `/tmp` but put the script into a folder and just mount that folder instead
2019-12-14 04:43:15	fendor	these are the docker component options: https://gist.github.com/fendor/66011bb0d4d670445965c6a756449980 not sure if they are correct
2019-12-14 04:43:53	mpickering	Hmm so the ghci script is in haskell-stack-ghci
2019-12-14 04:43:58	mpickering	so does it also mount that folder?
2019-12-14 04:44:07	mpickering	could you check with `-v3` to see how it launches the container?
2019-12-14 04:45:49	fendor	yeah, sure, wait a second
2019-12-14 04:45:57	 *	mpickering waits, a second
2019-12-14 04:47:16	fendor	https://gist.github.com/fendor/786320d940a82e06d50254c2227a0a2f
2019-12-14 04:47:22	fendor	ok, or a minute
2019-12-14 04:47:24	fendor	:P
2019-12-14 04:49:31	fendor	btw, I think that the new stack changes dont actually work if there is no component supplied. Or at least, nothing useful works
2019-12-14 04:49:47	mpickering	doesn't it work like normal `stack repl`?
2019-12-14 04:50:03	mpickering	fendor: So how does `stack repl` work if you use `docker: true` normally?
2019-12-14 04:50:10	mpickering	Btw I think you can mount just a file
2019-12-14 04:50:28	mpickering	rather than the whole directory
2019-12-14 04:50:59	fendor	if you do only stack repl and the targets are ambiguous, then it asks you to enter a target
2019-12-14 04:51:21	mpickering	which is like how cabal works?
2019-12-14 04:51:36	mpickering	I thought the default stack behaviour was to try to smash all the components together into a super repl
2019-12-14 04:52:06	fendor	seemingly not? https://gist.github.com/fendor/d76ed0c39ea70bf3efb29501cb7b2aee
2019-12-14 04:52:57	mpickering	because there are two executables
2019-12-14 04:53:22	mpickering	If you just have one then you get a super component I believe
2019-12-14 04:54:14	mpickering	this is whole premise for how ghcide works anyway I believe
2019-12-14 04:54:40	fendor	you are right, with only one exe it just loads
2019-12-14 04:55:40	mpickering	so will you make these improvements to stack: docker support in another PR or the current one?
2019-12-14 04:56:20	fendor	another
2019-12-14 04:56:23	fendor	definitely another pr
2019-12-14 04:56:29	fendor	this seems way to brittle at the moment
2019-12-14 04:56:36	mpickering	seems pretty ok to me
2019-12-14 04:56:43	mpickering	which part is brittle?
2019-12-14 04:57:17	fendor	dont know, it doesnt work at the moment at least
2019-12-14 04:57:40	fendor	https://gist.github.com/fendor/5841ce6a0371f607d70ceb52e92f041d
2019-12-14 04:58:45	mpickering	So inside the container, when this file gets written to, are the changes reflected back to the parent file system?
2019-12-14 04:59:22	fendor	if it is mounted, it should be imo
2019-12-14 04:59:48	mpickering	you probably need to mount the output file as well then?
2019-12-14 05:00:42	mpickering	Should I squash your stack PR or not?
2019-12-14 05:00:58	fendor	up to you, at least the last two commits are not nice, so probably
2019-12-14 05:01:18	fendor	and the first does not satisfy the tests on its own, so, probably squash
2019-12-14 05:01:34	fendor	I am currently writing the out file just to my local folder out
2019-12-14 05:05:19	mpickering	It looks like the output file is just completely empty
2019-12-14 05:05:55	fendor	yeah... hm. 
2019-12-14 05:06:00	mpickering	so it seems to me it's not mounted
2019-12-14 05:06:30	fendor	no, i think I understand
2019-12-14 05:06:42	fendor	I have to configure the docker-env in the stack-action.
2019-12-14 05:06:46	fendor	therefore I hardcoded the path
2019-12-14 05:06:54	fendor	but in readProcessWithOutputFile, we generate a tmp fiöe
2019-12-14 05:07:01	fendor	which is read
2019-12-14 05:07:16	mpickering	ah ok
2019-12-14 05:07:28	mpickering	I thought you modified it properly already 
2019-12-14 05:07:34	fendor	nope, wrong
2019-12-14 05:07:37	fendor	yeah, you did
2019-12-14 05:07:53	mpickering	It shouldn't be much more effort but perhaps it's annoying to get access to the right paths
2019-12-14 05:08:50	fendor	yeah, it should be fine. probably just a small mistake
2019-12-14 05:10:33	fendor	ok, no, I think it is what i expected. We open a handle for the temp file and read it, but it is empty
2019-12-14 05:11:25	mpickering	gtg to bed now
2019-12-14 05:11:30	mpickering	thanks for your help
2019-12-14 05:11:56	mpickering	I was looking at the list of things to do before merging and there isn't very much now?
2019-12-14 05:11:58	fendor	good night! thank you for your patience and debugging help :)
2019-12-14 05:12:12	fendor	no, after haskell-lsp release, only test suite, afaik
2019-12-14 05:14:10	mpickering	hie-bios has changed so much since the last release
2019-12-14 05:14:16	mpickering	I told myself I would try to do regular releases
2019-12-14 05:14:25	mpickering	but when things are so unstable you can't
2019-12-14 05:14:32	mpickering	it's almost a complete rewrite since the last release
2019-12-14 05:16:14	fendor	not sure it is that bad. Mainly configuration and cradle changed.
2019-12-14 05:16:20	fendor	the rest stayed similar
2019-12-14 05:16:56	mpickering	the last release didn't even have multi-cradle 
2019-12-14 05:18:03	fendor	yeah, true. That was a such a great addition
2019-12-14 05:20:36	mpickering	I wonder if we would support cabal script files by trying to read the shebang at the top of a file 
2019-12-14 05:21:09	fendor	you think that would be possible? I would really love that
2019-12-14 05:21:15	mpickering	I don't know what happens
2019-12-14 05:21:22	mpickering	lemme try it
2019-12-14 05:23:54	fendor	I thought, you wanted to go to bed?
2019-12-14 05:24:31	mpickering	I am
2019-12-14 05:24:34	mpickering	on my way there
2019-12-14 05:24:37	mpickering	via this thought
2019-12-14 05:24:47	mpickering	So I tried it and it doesn't honour `-w`
2019-12-14 05:25:05	mpickering	I tried `cabal $PWD/ImplCBPV.hs -wabc` and it used `ghc-8.6.5`
2019-12-14 05:26:34	fendor	what a pity. I think ther exists an issue for that already
2019-12-14 05:29:04	jneira	there is a pr from bubba: https://github.com/haskell/cabal/pull/6310
2019-12-14 05:30:06	jneira	merge pr's in cabal is a luxury :-P
2019-12-14 05:30:29	fendor	jneira, thank you! that is great news! 
2019-12-14 05:30:46	mpickering	It's not what we need though
2019-12-14 05:30:48	mpickering	I will comment
2019-12-14 05:31:02	jneira	oh
2019-12-14 05:31:29	fendor	well, it almost is, right? This adds it to the bang line, we need support on the command line 
2019-12-14 05:34:35	jneira	i think `cabal run -w ghc-8.8.1 install.hs` worked for me
2019-12-14 05:34:44	mpickering	Perhaps they should just allow cabal repl File.hs
2019-12-14 05:35:28	mpickering	Bedtime bye bye
2019-12-14 05:35:45	jneira	hehe good nigth
2019-12-14 05:35:56	fendor	good night!
2019-12-14 05:36:23	jneira	i go to bed too, adios!
2019-12-14 05:36:49	fendor	same, good night everyone! :)
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2019-12-14 05:55:53	DavSanchez	Hi guys! I'm the one coding the Ormolu support for HIE again...
2019-12-14 05:56:29	DavSanchez	As stated in the issue (https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1410) I have implemented only the formatting of the whole document
2019-12-14 05:58:22	DavSanchez	Do you recommend throwing a warning per front-end (say, VS Code extension) when "Format Selection" or equivalent is used, or on the contrary, throwing an error or something at the HIE level that would produce a message in whatever frontend is used?
2019-12-14 06:00:35	DavSanchez	You can check the current code at https://github.com/DavSanchez/haskell-ide-engine/blob/plugin/ormolu_support/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/Ormolu.hs
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2019-12-14 15:13:57	fendor	DavSanchez, good morning! throwing a warning should be possible with functions like Core.sendErrorShowS. If executed in the right thread, e.g. IDE thread, or more specific in LspStdio.hs, this would show an error if the editor supports it
2019-12-14 15:15:05	fendor	however, there is an additional corner case that can, afaik, not correctly be covered: hsimport uses the range formatters to format a single import line. 
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2019-12-14 15:20:36	mpickering	fendor: I guess `stack exec` runs the program inside the docker container as well?
2019-12-14 15:20:45	fendor	yes
2019-12-14 15:20:56	mpickering	but `stack exec ghcide` won't work because it won't be in the container
2019-12-14 15:20:58	fendor	but not sure how nested stack commands work
2019-12-14 15:21:18	fendor	why wont it? 
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2019-12-14 15:23:34	mpickering	because the ghcide executable will not be installed in the container?
2019-12-14 15:25:30	mpickering	It seems fine to me to say you have to use `stack exec ghcide` and make sure that `ghcide` is in the container
2019-12-14 15:25:47	fendor	I see, makes sense.
2019-12-14 15:26:38	fendor	yeah... maybe this is just out of scope for hie-bios.
2019-12-14 15:30:59	mpickering	I commented something to that effect on the issue
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2019-12-14 15:34:01	alanz	jneira, fendor is there anything else pending for haskell-lsp? Or can I start a process for a release?
2019-12-14 15:35:43	fendor	I am fine with a release
2019-12-14 15:36:25	alanz	I will start a PR for it, then we can discuss it there if there is any holdup
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2019-12-14 15:38:50	fendor	thank you! 
2019-12-14 15:38:58	mpickering	I think hie-bios is ready for a release as well
2019-12-14 15:39:22	fendor	mpickering, we have to lower the cabal-version, though
2019-12-14 15:40:34	mpickering	why?
2019-12-14 15:40:51	mpickering	otherwise I have to list loads of files in the cabal file for the test files
2019-12-14 15:41:36	fendor	because stack snapshots are coming with their own cabal installation. Ghc 8.4.4 snapshots come with cabal 2.2. So essentially, we would have to drop support for stack 8.4.*
2019-12-14 15:42:50	mpickering	I will take your word for it
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2019-12-14 15:44:12	fendor	I can create a proof of concept
2019-12-14 15:44:20	fendor	and create the pr accordingly
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2019-12-14 15:47:03	fendor	https://gist.github.com/fendor/c774bd04f206d16eff2f69f836f97cc6
2019-12-14 15:48:03	fendor	changing cabal-version to 2.0 and removing all extra-soruce files succeeds
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2019-12-14 15:53:45	mpickering	It doesn't "succeed" because now those files aren't in the sdist
2019-12-14 15:55:07	fendor	no, stack now needs Cabal 2.4.0.0 or higher, but the installed executable for that snapshot has version 2.2. If we add an extra dep Cabal-2.4.0.0, it still doesnt work
2019-12-14 15:56:20	fendor	if we add the extra dep Cabal-2.4, it complains that it cant match versions, since it requires Cabal 2.2
2019-12-14 16:00:54	fendor	an issue might be https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/issues/4488
2019-12-14 16:03:16	fendor	hm, maybe the issue is something different
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2019-12-14 16:11:57	mpickering	It's fine using an earlier version of cabal if you list all the extra source files explicitly
2019-12-14 16:12:04	mpickering	That's the only reason I bumped the version number
2019-12-14 16:12:54	fendor	Ok. Well, according to the linked issue it should work... but eh
2019-12-14 16:15:47	fendor	btw, comment https://github.com/haskell/cabal/pull/6310#issuecomment-565704775 looks good.
2019-12-14 16:48:45	mpickering	Thanks I commented
2019-12-14 16:50:36	fendor	hehe, yeah, we both did not read our own installation instructions, apparently: `cabal v2-run install.hs --project-file install/shake.project build`
2019-12-14 16:51:06	fendor	I didnt think about it yesterday, but we are actually using v2-run for our cabal installation script
2019-12-14 17:18:24	alanz	Can I specify a specific stack yaml file in a hie.yaml file? Like if I want to use stack-8.6.5.yaml?
2019-12-14 17:18:41	fendor	alanz, no, not yet
2019-12-14 17:18:56	alanz	ok, because for me that would be a pretty critical feature
2019-12-14 17:18:58	fendor	ticket https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/issues/44
2019-12-14 17:19:02	fendor	yes, I agree
2019-12-14 17:19:19	alanz	thanks
2019-12-14 17:19:31	fendor	I committed to it, but did not find time to do it yet
2019-12-14 17:19:50	alanz	ok
2019-12-14 17:19:53	fendor	and the feature will not make it in the next hie-bios release
2019-12-14 17:20:21	fendor	*into
2019-12-14 17:20:23	alanz	I figured as much
2019-12-14 17:20:30	alanz	since that seems to be imminent
2019-12-14 17:21:46	fendor	maybe I can tackle this feature over christmas
2019-12-14 17:21:58	fendor	or rather, the holidays
2019-12-14 17:23:18	mpickering	Adding a way to pass extra options to the cradle prog makes sense I think
2019-12-14 17:23:33	mpickering	Is stack or cabal
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2019-12-14 17:36:37	fendor	mpickering, now we need to update the changelog
2019-12-14 17:36:57	fendor	I suppose, we are skipping a 0.3.0.0 release?
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2019-12-15 02:51:50	mpickering	fendor_: skipping the 0.3 release why?
2019-12-15 02:52:02	mpickering	I have been filling in the changelog
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2019-12-15 04:28:32	mpickering	fendor: Why skip the 0.3 release?
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2019-12-15 04:34:42	fendor	mpickering, no reason, I just thought, because it was that version number for a time. so, just forget that i said something
2019-12-15 04:35:10	mpickering	I can probably cut a release tomorrow afternoon
2019-12-15 04:35:14	mpickering	bedtime now zzzz
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2019-12-15 04:38:55	fendor	nice! good night!
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2019-12-15 19:49:53	alanz	lukelau, cocreature haskell-lsp(-types)-0.19.0.0 is on hackage
2019-12-15 20:04:24	cocreature	alanz: great, thank you!
2019-12-15 20:04:50	alanz	It may need a new version of lsp-test, I am not sure
2019-12-15 20:10:39	fendor	i think so, yeah: https://github.com/bubba/lsp-test/pull/61/files
2019-12-15 20:16:31	cocreature	yeah, I tested with that and it works. just needs a release
2019-12-15 20:17:15	alanz	ok, hopefully lukelau can get to that some time
2019-12-15 20:26:03	lukelau	alanz: making a release now
2019-12-15 20:26:08	lukelau	sorry for the delay, was out yesterday
2019-12-15 20:26:40	alanz	lukelau, its the weekend, end of year, no need to apologise.
2019-12-15 20:28:59	cocreature	lukelau: yep, as alanz said. absolutely nothing to be sorry for! keep up the great work :)
2019-12-15 20:31:41	lukelau	alanz: cocreature thanks for the understanding. i’m quite proud of our well-oiled release schedule though :)
2019-12-15 20:32:49	alanz	Yes, but it can only stay that way if we take care of ourselves too. Which means keeping the right perspective on this stuff
2019-12-15 21:59:47	mpickering	time for me to do a hie-bios release then I suppose
2019-12-15 22:03:05	alanz	sounds good
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2019-12-15 22:19:19	mpickering	done.
2019-12-15 22:34:40	fendor	yeahh..
2019-12-15 22:46:39	mpickering	so now we just need to merge the hie-bios branch whenever fendor thinks it's ready :P ?
2019-12-15 22:48:30	alanz	fendor, ?
2019-12-15 22:48:56	alanz	I am currently using hie-bios branch as my main one, works pretty well
2019-12-15 22:49:18	mpickering	my office mate has been using it fairly consistently and not been complaining too much
2019-12-15 22:49:23	mpickering	I think the sync issues are all fixed
2019-12-15 22:49:37	alanz	good
2019-12-15 22:49:59	alanz	I am keen to get it into master, so we can get out of this holding pattern
2019-12-15 22:50:16	mpickering	sure it's up to fendor really as the release manager
2019-12-15 22:50:24	mpickering	*"release manager"
2019-12-15 22:51:21	mpickering	It looks like according to this list we just need to go over the tests and make them pass
2019-12-15 22:51:21	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/48
2019-12-15 22:51:39	alanz	I know, and when it is ready, I am prepared to carry on waiting
2019-12-15 22:53:49	fendor	Well, now we update hie to use latest hie-bios and haskell-lsp and see which test cases still need fixing
2019-12-15 22:54:18	fendor	I have been using hie-bios for a while now, too, and I am satisfied for both c-h and hie-bios
2019-12-15 22:55:42	mpickering	are we on for a call tomorrow morning still? Tell me what time.
2019-12-15 22:58:01	fendor	I have a class from roughly 9am to 12 or 1 pm. Can I write you when I am done?
2019-12-15 22:58:24	fendor	Otherwise, I am sure I am done till 3 pm
2019-12-15 22:59:21	mpickering	yeah I don't have anything else scheduled until 5pm 
2019-12-15 22:59:46	fendor	great
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2019-12-16 01:41:12	lukelau	alanz: cocreature mpickering lsp-test-0.9.0.0 is out now https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/#/package/lsp-test
2019-12-16 01:41:56	alanz	lukelau, thanks
2019-12-16 01:41:58	lukelau	if you’re running tests locally you can now specify `LSP_TEST_LOG_STDERR=1 cabal run :test:func-tests` or whatever to override the session config
2019-12-16 01:42:02	cocreature	alanz: thank you!
2019-12-16 01:42:11	lukelau	same for LSP_TEST_LOG_MESSAGES
2019-12-16 01:42:28	lukelau	should be handy when debugging
2019-12-16 01:44:48	lukelau	alanz: there’s also a config `ignoreLogNotifications` so you don’t need to do `skipManyTill logMessage …` all the time now
2019-12-16 01:45:36	alanz	nice
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2019-12-16 06:04:24	DavSanch_	Hi fendor_, thanks for your message. You mean that in LspStdio.hs there are functions that would allow me to emit a message for that? (for example, using a case-like statement for checking the FormattingType argument, and then exiting from the function with a similar "return $ IdeResultFail ...")??
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2019-12-16 06:07:05	DavSanchez	sorry for that failed attempt lol
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2019-12-16 16:40:27	jneira_	fendor any idea why 1572d49 caused timeouts in circleci running the test suite?
2019-12-16 16:40:50	jneira_	i am pushing it to my repo to see it is reproduced
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2019-12-16 16:44:37	fendor	jneira_, what did cause timeouts? didnt see so far the other test-runs
2019-12-16 16:45:13	fendor	oh well
2019-12-16 16:45:15	fendor	now I se
2019-12-16 16:45:27	fendor	no, no idea.
2019-12-16 16:48:07	fendor	but the change cant be very big
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2019-12-16 16:49:51	jneira_	let's see in my circleci behaves well...
2019-12-16 16:50:01	jneira_	did you run the test suite locally?
2019-12-16 16:50:19	jneira_	i cant run in windows till this afternoon
2019-12-16 16:51:06	fendor	i didnt so far, but right now, I was able to reproduce it, first test fails and then it stops doing anything
2019-12-16 16:51:33	jneira_	the commit only bumped up hie-bios...
2019-12-16 16:51:40	fendor	yeah, it is weird
2019-12-16 16:54:11	jneira_	well there are some code changes to adapt hie to the new version :-/
2019-12-16 16:55:03	fendor	yeah, maybe the module-cache is wrong
2019-12-16 16:55:11	fendor	which is imo, the most probably explanation
2019-12-16 16:55:44	fendor	oh, or the stack cradle does not actually load anything, since we do not specify a component
2019-12-16 16:55:55	fendor	yeah, that is probably it
2019-12-16 16:57:16	fendor	when tracing https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/hie-bios/test/dispatcher/Main.hs#L171 i get the following https://gist.github.com/fendor/9ce898dbf27a8f2386797477d68bc713
2019-12-16 16:57:28	fendor	which indicates that we have to supply a target
2019-12-16 16:58:20	jneira_	:+1:
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2019-12-16 16:59:05	jneira_	but tests should not hang...
2019-12-16 16:59:20	fendor	yeah, that is weird, too
2019-12-16 16:59:54	fendor	I suppose it is hanging on  some `atomically` ...
2019-12-16 17:01:15	jneira_	maybe we should start to add some timeouts to transactions? problematic though
2019-12-16 17:01:30	fendor	I mean, that is just for the tests
2019-12-16 17:01:50	fendor	maybe hspec doesnt annihilate the test-case not thourogh enough?
2019-12-16 17:02:28	fendor	s/not//g
2019-12-16 17:03:27	jneira_	i had hanging tests before with haskell :-|
2019-12-16 17:03:48	fendor	yeah, that was with lsp-test
2019-12-16 17:04:18	fendor	because windows ffi is blocking, or something like that, and the haskell run-time can not interrupt the blocking ffi.
2019-12-16 17:04:53	jneira_	or other projects, doing a `cabal run func-test`instead `cabal test`fixed it sometimes 
2019-12-16 17:06:03	fendor	lol, that sounds createive
2019-12-16 17:06:36	fendor	I am going to grab something to eat, but I am pretty sure, this issue can be fixed by extracting the test-files into their own project
2019-12-16 17:06:50	jneira_	they are not doing eaxctly the same for sure :-D
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2019-12-16 17:07:21	jneira_	:+1:
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2019-12-16 17:31:23	lukelau	mpickering: the VFS fixes don’t seem to be fixing the lsp-test “automatically consumes applyedit requests” failure
2019-12-16 17:31:50	lukelau	where the hlint diagnostics are still out of sync after applying an edit
2019-12-16 17:34:47	mpickering	hmm really?
2019-12-16 17:35:05	mpickering	Are you 100% sure you are building with the right haskell-lsp version?
2019-12-16 17:35:32	fendor	mpickering, I am eating rn, but afterwards I would be free for talking
2019-12-16 17:35:32	mpickering	because the problem there was that the temporary file was being overwritten 
2019-12-16 17:35:42	mpickering	fendor: ok
2019-12-16 17:38:27	mpickering	need to go and get lunch
2019-12-16 17:42:42	lukelau	i’m using hie-bios head
2019-12-16 17:43:03	lukelau	is it passing for you locally?
2019-12-16 17:48:10	fendor	lukelau, hie-bios head does not have the haskell-lsp changes
2019-12-16 17:48:14	fendor	yet
2019-12-16 17:48:28	lukelau	fendor: ah ok
2019-12-16 17:48:54	fendor	lukelau, you can try the branch https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/74 for haskell-lsp 0.19 changes
2019-12-16 17:49:22	fendor	which will be superseded by #79 once I've fixed the tests
2019-12-16 18:14:27	mpickering	fendor: I can take a call now if you are ready?
2019-12-16 18:16:45	fendor	mpickering, yeah, I am ready
2019-12-16 18:17:12	fendor	google hangouts again
2019-12-16 18:17:13	fendor	?
2019-12-16 18:17:41	mpickering	yeah just call when you are ready
2019-12-16 18:17:44	mpickering	I am looking at your PR atm
2019-12-16 18:29:18	lukelau	mpickering fendor: thats working now
2019-12-16 18:31:51	fendor	lukelau, :+1:
2019-12-16 18:38:07	mpickering	An important lesson in life, if something is broken you're just running the wrong code
2019-12-16 18:38:24	mpickering	but it might be you have to first write the right code to get it work
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2019-12-16 18:47:47	infinisil	Haha
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2019-12-16 19:33:03	jneira_	happen to me continually :-P
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2019-12-16 22:45:38	fendor	alanz, referring to https://app.circleci.com/jobs/github/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/2069/tests, am I right in the idea that the test-cases `Prefixes with '_'` and `works - Rename.rename` are based on HaRe and should be removed/commented out?
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2019-12-16 23:40:48	alanz	fendor, definitely Rename.rename
2019-12-16 23:42:52	fendor	ok, thank you! 
2019-12-16 23:43:35	alanz	but anything calling an action on hare must be replaced
2019-12-16 23:43:51	alanz	I tried using "bios:check" instead
2019-12-16 23:44:17	fendor	where does it have to replaced?
2019-12-16 23:45:04	alanz	in the test
2019-12-16 23:45:25	alanz	Because they are usually trying to check a two step process
2019-12-16 23:45:44	alanz	or something, that needs GHC thread work
2019-12-16 23:47:11	fendor	I think these two were the last tests that were failing because of HaRe
2019-12-16 23:47:18	alanz	nice
2019-12-16 23:47:54	fendor	the rest is because of hie-bios changes to stack cradle.
2019-12-16 23:48:07	alanz	btw, you can also do `pendingWith "removed because of HaRe"`
2019-12-16 23:48:12	alanz	as the substitute test
2019-12-16 23:48:25	fendor	We now can not just say `cradle: {stack: {}}` because that does not load any components
2019-12-16 23:48:34	alanz	which then leaves a placeholder result in the test report
2019-12-16 23:48:39	fendor	would you prefer that?
2019-12-16 23:48:56	alanz	it *does* remind us to re-enable the test later
2019-12-16 23:49:04	fendor	yeah, fair, will do asap
2019-12-16 23:49:08	alanz	vs something just commented out
2019-12-16 23:53:21	fendor	yeah, thank you for the suggestion! didnt know about that function
2019-12-16 23:53:47	alanz	np
2019-12-16 23:55:24	fendor	only 3 failign test cases to go
2019-12-17 00:01:34	fendor	one last question, do you know what the test case "respect 'only' parameter" in "unused term code actions" actually tests?
2019-12-17 00:03:26	alanz	let me take a look
2019-12-17 00:06:29	alanz	fendor, no idea
2019-12-17 00:06:50	alanz	lukelau, put it in
2019-12-17 00:07:06	fendor	git blame always works :D 
2019-12-17 00:07:27	alanz	I use 'vc-annotate' in emacs. Which is a kinder name for it
2019-12-17 00:08:04	fendor	the test-suite needs a major rework. A lot of stuff has been patched on top of it, without rethinking the architecture
2019-12-17 00:08:28	fendor	yeah in vscode, it is just git history ;D 
2019-12-17 00:10:37	alanz	I get a feeling that that test-suite is starting to lack coherence. We are losing the original reasons for the tests, as we update them. So they don't necessarily test anything useful any more
2019-12-17 00:11:19	fendor	yeah, they need a rework
2019-12-17 00:21:08	fendor	mpickering, another feature for hie-bios, we can ask via `stack ide targets` the targets in a project. If the project is a singleton, e.g. only a library. If there is no component specified by stack cradle, should we infer to load the singleton target?
2019-12-17 00:31:21	mpickering	Well it should do that by default?
2019-12-17 00:32:23	fendor	does it? then I dont understand why this one test fails
2019-12-17 00:32:34	fendor	maybe it builds the module graph in some confusing way...
2019-12-17 00:32:46	fendor	ok, problem is something else
2019-12-17 00:34:15	mpickering	I am not 100% sure of the semantics of stack repl 
2019-12-17 00:34:20	mpickering	but what I said would be my guess
2019-12-17 00:35:45	fendor	yeah, you are most certainly right
2019-12-17 00:35:53	fendor	I saw a problem and misinterpreted it
2019-12-17 00:36:17	mpickering	can I help understand the failure?
2019-12-17 00:36:31	fendor___	find type def does not work cross module
2019-12-17 00:36:38	fendor___	https://app.circleci.com/jobs/github/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/2170/tests
2019-12-17 00:37:02	fendor___	but I think that it works "sometimes"
2019-12-17 00:37:04	mpickering	Perhaps it's a problem if you already have interface files for that module
2019-12-17 00:37:21	mpickering	if it loads the interface file it might not get the right info?
2019-12-17 00:37:35	fendor___	that should not happen on CI
2019-12-17 00:39:32	mpickering	Something to consider anyway
2019-12-17 00:40:01	fendor	I cleaned the .stack-work folder for good measure, still persist
2019-12-17 00:40:25	mpickering	the cache files with go into ~/.cache
2019-12-17 00:40:33	fendor___	ah dammit
2019-12-17 00:40:44	fendor___	that  might be actually cached
2019-12-17 00:40:56	fendor___	with cabal cradle it works
2019-12-17 00:41:31	fendor___	so, you are probably right
2019-12-17 00:41:38	fendor___	can we clear the cache somehow?
2019-12-17 00:41:50	mpickering	well it probably should be fixed properly?
2019-12-17 00:41:54	mpickering	so it works on actual project
2019-12-17 00:41:57	mpickering	sgtg
2019-12-17 00:42:38	fendor___	mpickering, after cleaning ~/.cache/hie-bios now the test works
2019-12-17 00:45:01	fendor	other than that "respect 'only' parameter" test case is the last failing test-case
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2019-12-17 04:03:51	lukelau	fendor: the only parameter is a parameter in the LSP codeaction request IIRC
2019-12-17 04:04:16	lukelau	its supposed to make the server only return code actions of a certain kind I think
2019-12-17 04:05:01	lukelau	Its important we have the coverage for it, I’ll insert some documentation for it though
2019-12-17 04:36:13	alanz	mpickering, you are the last reviewer for https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/79
2019-12-17 04:36:36	 *	alanz nudge nudge
2019-12-17 04:56:50	fendor	lukelau, thank you for your review! 
2019-12-17 04:59:10	mpickering	I chatted about the patch on a call :P
2019-12-17 05:01:20	alanz	ok, so can it land? or do we need to fix those two tests first?
2019-12-17 05:02:28	fendor	I merged the haskell-lsp patch already
2019-12-17 05:03:11	fendor	currently merging changes from upstream into hie-bios
2019-12-17 05:04:00	alanz	ok, thanks. I'll leave you guys to it then.
2019-12-17 05:04:02	alanz	:)
2019-12-17 05:04:26	 *	alanz goes back to unison advent of code
2019-12-17 05:04:30	fendor	so, last test case that is *truly* failing is the test-case about the 'only' parameter
2019-12-17 05:04:42	lukelau	fendor: I can take a look at that
2019-12-17 05:05:36	fendor	lukelau, that would be great, since I have no idea about how this works
2019-12-17 05:09:24	alanz	thanks all. Will look again tomorrow
2019-12-17 05:09:50	fendor	same! 
2019-12-17 05:10:03	fendor	I am confident that we will see green CI results tomorrow ;D 
2019-12-17 05:10:06	lukelau	woo
2019-12-17 05:10:31	mpickering	Did you fix the go-to definition test properly?
2019-12-17 05:10:36	mpickering	or just by deleting the cache?
2019-12-17 05:10:52	fendor	mpickering, no not yet, i dont know what fixing properly entails yet
2019-12-17 05:12:12	fendor	but I would prefer discussing this tomorrow, if that is alright?
2019-12-17 05:12:28	fendor	I'll head to bed and wait for the ci results to see if I fucked up the merging
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2019-12-17 05:41:06	DavSanchez	Hi guys! A few days ago I talked with fendor about "throwing" an error on HIE as part of a selection formatting attempt. He pointed me to LspStdio.hs, but I'm having some difficulties interpreting the file and how I can make use of it...
2019-12-17 05:41:57	DavSanchez	Is there any way to check old messages on the IRC? I'm using LimeChat as client and I cannot see his original response anymore
2019-12-17 05:44:33	mpickering	DavSanchez: Basically no
2019-12-17 05:44:43	mpickering	You always seem to pop on when we are all going to bed though :D
2019-12-17 05:44:52	mpickering	Perhaps put up a PR and post your question there?
2019-12-17 05:46:03	DavSanchez	Ahh I'm being a nocturnal guy these days, sorry about that xD
2019-12-17 05:46:46	DavSanchez	There is the issue for the formatter support still open, I'll post the question there
2019-12-17 05:47:56	DavSanchez	I'm reticent to open a PR if my code is not yet complete, but if you recommend opening it and figuring out the particular maybe I should do it?
2019-12-17 05:48:07	lukelau	DavSanchez: create a WIP PR
2019-12-17 05:48:13	lukelau	that way it can’t be accidentally merged
2019-12-17 05:48:39	lukelau	Also for “throwing” an error that standard thing is to use a IdeResultFail I believe
2019-12-17 05:48:47	lukelau	if it’s an error with the tool
2019-12-17 05:49:48	DavSanchez	yeah, the issue is sending a warning if the user tries to do selection formatting, as it's not currently supported on Ormolu, that would be the remaining issue for my PR
2019-12-17 05:50:12	infinisil	Well it does say there's logs in the topic
2019-12-17 05:50:15	infinisil	But that link doesn't work for me
2019-12-17 05:50:34	DavSanchez	I mean a visible warning for the user (I think IdeResultFail sends something to HIE out but it's not visible on the editor by default?)
2019-12-17 05:51:15	DavSanchez	My only experience with HIE as user is with the VS Code extension, btw
2019-12-17 05:51:52	lukelau	DavSanchez: would it be possible to create a temporary file with just the contents of the selection?
2019-12-17 05:53:32	lukelau	DavSanchez: check out `extractRange` in PluginUtils.hs
2019-12-17 05:53:37	lukelau	It’s how the floskell plugin handles ranges
2019-12-17 05:54:11	DavSanchez	mm maybe, but this temporary file should also have a module header if there is a Haddock in the selected content
2019-12-17 05:54:59	lukelau	I’m not familiar with the API for Ormolu. Does it need to be able to typecheck a module before formatting it?
2019-12-17 05:55:19	DavSanchez	or more precisely, if it starts with a Haddock, apparently is a GHC issue that is being fixed atm
2019-12-17 05:56:39	DavSanchez	mmm i'm not sure about the typechecking, what it does for sure is that it uses the GHC parser for managing the formatting
2019-12-17 05:57:30	DavSanchez	as it works this way, the contents to be formatted must form a finished haskell module, otherwise is a parse error
2019-12-17 05:58:31	DavSanchez	thats why I was thinking about just disabling the selection formatting until Ormolu offers a support for file regions, and throwing an alert to the HIE user if selection formatting is tried
2019-12-17 05:59:14	DavSanchez	the info is here: https://github.com/tweag/ormolu/issues/480
2019-12-17 06:09:30	DavSanchez	about 'extractRange', I actually used it on my first attempt, but the results were erratical (that prompted me to open the issue linked, and in turn finding that GHC parsing thing)
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2019-12-17 14:57:58	fendor	lukelau, regarding the discussed test-case, I only get [Just CodeActionRefactor] if I unset the context. Which diagnostic is even of type CodeActionRefactorInline?
2019-12-17 15:00:43	fendor	Caaan I just change the code action context to: `CodeActionContext (List diags) (Just (List [CodeActionRefactor]))`?
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2019-12-17 15:18:14	fendor	mpickering, how do we properly fix this caching issue from yesterday?
2019-12-17 15:23:21	mpickering	that's not clear to me
2019-12-17 15:23:32	mpickering	I don't know how go-to defnition works
2019-12-17 15:24:51	mpickering	So I would look into how go-to definition gets its information
2019-12-17 15:25:50	fendor	from the typemap
2019-12-17 15:26:43	mpickering	Do we call `cacheModules` or `cacheModule` in setTypecheckedModule these days?
2019-12-17 15:27:17	mpickering	I imagine the issue is that if the module is loaded from an interface file that it doesn't appear in the list of loaded modules
2019-12-17 15:27:22	mpickering	so the information isn't cached
2019-12-17 15:27:23	fendor	cacheModules
2019-12-17 15:27:39	fendor	 cacheModules rfm [_tm]
2019-12-17 15:28:25	mpickering	ok so we don't store the type map for all modules anyway
2019-12-17 15:28:36	mpickering	Can you point me to exactly the code which computes go-to definition?
2019-12-17 15:28:53	fendor	yeah, sure
2019-12-17 15:30:01	fendor	this is the definition of findTypeDef: https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/hie-bios/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Support/HieExtras.hs#L244
2019-12-17 15:30:13	fendor	which is used to find the location of a type of a symbol
2019-12-17 15:31:34	mpickering	Is that the one which is failing?
2019-12-17 15:31:38	mpickering	rather than the normal go-to definition?
2019-12-17 15:31:51	mpickering	can you insert some traces and show me good/bad cases?
2019-12-17 15:31:53	fendor	which uses https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/hie-bios/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/PluginUtils.hs#L110
2019-12-17 15:32:29	fendor	yeah, the goto type-definition fails, not goto definition
2019-12-17 15:32:54	alanz	fendor: we will not be getting refactor code actions without hare
2019-12-17 15:33:20	fendor	alanz, we currently do get one
2019-12-17 15:33:52	mpickering	I imagine this line is failing - https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/hie-bios/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Support/HieExtras.hs#L270
2019-12-17 15:33:55	mpickering	Could you check?
2019-12-17 15:34:45	fendor	somehow hardly, after clearing my ~/.cache, I can not reproduce the issue anymore :/
2019-12-17 15:35:02	fendor	I can via CI, which will take a while, though
2019-12-17 15:40:30	mpickering	If you can't reproduce it locally it's going to be hard to fix
2019-12-17 15:41:13	mpickering	I imagine the situation is that the type definition comes from a module loaded from an interface file rather than a freshly
2019-12-17 15:41:21	fendor	yeah, agreed.
2019-12-17 15:41:38	fendor	btw, the following test-case, which is the goto-def pendant to goto-type-def https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/hie-bios/test/functional/DefinitionSpec.hs#L41 always succeeded 
2019-12-17 15:43:12	mpickering	but also fixing this will probably require foregoing using interface files
2019-12-17 15:44:36	fendor	would that have a big performance impact?
2019-12-17 15:47:56	mpickering	yeah
2019-12-17 15:49:25	fendor	meh. Can we pretend it didnt happen and wait for the evaluation of merging with ghcide, or would that make me a bad software engineer?
2019-12-17 15:49:36	mpickering	Because when a Name is serialised its represented as `(UnitId, ModuleName, OccName) `
2019-12-17 15:49:45	mpickering	So when it's deserialised you lose the `n_loc` field
2019-12-17 15:50:27	mpickering	And the definition site gets filled in with `noSrcSpan`
2019-12-17 15:50:34	mpickering	If you look in `BinIface.fromOnDiskName`
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2019-12-17 15:51:56	mpickering	but I wonder how normal go-to definition works
2019-12-17 15:52:28	mpickering	that also calls "nameSrcSpan"
2019-12-17 15:54:10	fendor	the code path seems a bit different
2019-12-17 15:56:20	mpickering	perhaps there isn't a test which tests this case
2019-12-17 15:59:42	fendor	no, there should be
2019-12-17 16:00:04	fendor	this test  https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/hie-bios/test/functional/DefinitionSpec.hs#L41 equivalent to the test-case that fails for us
2019-12-17 16:02:30	fendor	alanz, https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/hie-bios/test/functional/DefinitionSpec.hs#L58 are these just some debugging artifacts that can be removed?
2019-12-17 16:09:01	mpickering	fendor: This is different because both documents are explicitly opened
2019-12-17 16:09:28	mpickering	If you don't load one of the modules explicititly you will probably see the same failure
2019-12-17 16:09:34	fendor	in the failing test case, both documents are opened as well, afaik?
2019-12-17 16:09:47	fendor	and then one of them is closed
2019-12-17 16:10:08	fendor	however, goto def has essentially the same test: https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/blob/hie-bios/test/functional/DefinitionSpec.hs#L51 
2019-12-17 16:10:16	fendor	which is admittedly, not the test-case i have linked before
2019-12-17 16:10:38	mpickering	But what is the type you try to go to?
2019-12-17 16:11:44	fendor	in another file a data-type
2019-12-17 16:11:49	fendor	like an adt
2019-12-17 16:12:27	mpickering	Is it in Foo.hs or Bar.hs?
2019-12-17 16:13:24	fendor	oh, I see, the find-def is looking up a module definition
2019-12-17 16:13:29	fendor	so, it is using gotoModule
2019-12-17 16:13:35	fendor	therefore, it does not fail
2019-12-17 16:13:44	fendor	ok, finally understood it
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2019-12-17 18:39:23	fendor	oh nose, it looks like goto definition / type definition cross module is broken in general :/ 
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2019-12-17 19:08:58	lukelau	fendor: I believe those are the hlint ones
2019-12-17 19:08:59	lukelau	ohhhhh
2019-12-17 19:09:11	lukelau	i presume that test is failing because hlint refactorings are gone
2019-12-17 19:09:24	lukelau	*hare
2019-12-17 19:09:47	lukelau	refactor = hare, quick fix = hlint
2019-12-17 19:09:52	fendor	yeah, I think so, too
2019-12-17 19:10:06	fendor	what could be a proper fix? just filter for different code actions?
2019-12-17 19:10:09	mpickering	fendor: How is it broken?
2019-12-17 19:10:50	fendor	mpickering, I am was navigating in cabal codebase, and no goto definition worked across module
2019-12-17 19:12:00	fendor	it works within the same module, though
2019-12-17 19:12:02	mpickering	probably because of the reason I mentioned
2019-12-17 19:12:15	mpickering	that `nameSrcSpan` returns Nothing if you use interface files
2019-12-17 19:12:16	fendor	yeah
2019-12-17 19:12:23	fendor	thought so, too 
2019-12-17 19:13:13	fendor	I liked the additional speed T_T
2019-12-17 19:14:47	wz1000	hie files can fix this on 8.8+
2019-12-17 19:15:24	fendor	well, at least some good news
2019-12-17 19:15:54	mpickering	yeah, I think just don't worry about it if we are going to replace the backend with ghcide
2019-12-17 19:16:07	mpickering	and then can create our own cached artifacts between modules anyway or use hie files
2019-12-17 19:16:22	mpickering	ie you could just cache the typemap for each module rather than read the interface file and try to recreate it
2019-12-17 19:16:33	fendor	ok
2019-12-17 19:24:13	fendor	mpickering, so, lets mark the cross module test as broken for now? 
2019-12-17 19:24:39	mpickering	I think the only other option is to disable using interface files?
2019-12-17 19:27:09	fendor	we probably have to this anyways soonish
2019-12-17 19:27:27	fendor	but I would say for the merge, the feature is not that crucial...
2019-12-17 19:28:08	fendor	we must somehow document all this features that have been disabled by this merge
2019-12-17 19:29:19	jneira_	it can be related with hare, that needs a module graph? go to definition would need something similar
2019-12-17 19:29:31	jneira_	(to jump between modules)
2019-12-17 19:29:55	mpickering	You don't need a module graph to do it
2019-12-17 19:29:56	jneira_	i 've observed in windows too that goto did not work between modules (as expected :-P)
2019-12-17 19:30:05	jneira_	aha
2019-12-17 19:30:17	mpickering	I've already explained the reason why and the way to fix it
2019-12-17 19:30:46	jneira_	:+1:
2019-12-17 19:31:17	fendor	ok, I am gonna comment out the tests
2019-12-17 19:31:27	fendor	afterwards, I am expecting a green test-suite
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2019-12-18 01:51:36	fenedor	A Big moment: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1126 CI is all green
2019-12-18 01:56:03	infinisil	:O
2019-12-18 01:57:17	alanz	nice. Time to merge?
2019-12-18 01:57:28	alanz	fenedor, ?
2019-12-18 01:58:04	fenedor	alanz, I would like to perform a final review session
2019-12-18 01:58:23	alanz	ok, fair enough. Let me know when you are comfortable
2019-12-18 02:01:35	fenedor	I would suggest, we now open a review session where we poke people to review and fix missing documentation. 
2019-12-18 02:01:58	fenedor	with "open", I mainly mean we poke people
2019-12-18 02:02:31	fenedor	Especially the documentation needs some additions, e.g. the README was written for hie-bios 0.1.0.
2019-12-18 02:22:10	jneira	wow, amazing :-)
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2019-12-18 02:52:47	infinisil	fenedor: Testing that PR, I'm noticing that jump-to-definition between components doesn't seem to work anymore
2019-12-18 02:53:15	infinisil	I remember this working before at least
2019-12-18 02:55:32	fenedor	infinisil, yeah, both is correct
2019-12-18 02:55:48	fenedor	not even between modules
2019-12-18 02:55:56	fenedor	we have to add that feature back
2019-12-18 02:56:25	infinisil	fenedor: Seems to work between modules for me
2019-12-18 02:56:35	fenedor	it doesnt after a reboot of vscode :(
2019-12-18 02:56:47	fenedor	probably because of caching of interface files
2019-12-18 02:57:03	infinisil	Ah, where would these be?
2019-12-18 02:57:29	infinisil	Ah just dist
2019-12-18 02:58:32	fenedor	no, in ~/.cache/hie-bios
2019-12-18 02:59:08	infinisil	Hm, but that got newly created, and I didn't ever run a hie-bios version before that, yet jump-to-definition between modules still worked
2019-12-18 02:59:37	infinisil	After clearing dist and dist-newstyle it doesn't work anymore :)
2019-12-18 03:00:52	infinisil	Also hie-bios seems to use new-build by default now which is nice, and I assume cabal 3.0.0.0 will work as well
2019-12-18 03:02:13	fenedor	it does, yeah
2019-12-18 03:03:38	fenedor	the problem arises when you close the server and open it again
2019-12-18 03:04:07	fenedor	then the interface files from before are reused and they lose information
2019-12-18 03:04:28	fenedor	so, on the first build -> it works, but not after opening the project again
2019-12-18 03:05:27	fenedor	afaik, dist and dist-newstyel dont matter
2019-12-18 03:05:38	fenedor	and yeah, we are using by default cabal v2
2019-12-18 03:05:46	fenedor	for cabal 2.4 and cabal 3.0 alike
2019-12-18 03:10:55	infinisil	fenedor: Hm actually, jump-to-definition works again between modules, after restarting emacs, removing both dist-newstyle and ~/.cache/hie-bios and opening the project again
2019-12-18 03:11:11	infinisil	I'm not complaining though!
2019-12-18 03:12:22	infinisil	(and when I said that it didn't work before, it just took some extra time)
2019-12-18 03:14:44	fenedor	exactly, after clearing ~/.cache/hie-bios. it works again
2019-12-18 03:14:46	fenedor	we will fix it
2019-12-18 03:14:58	fenedor	either by merging with ghcide, or by disabling caching of interface files
2019-12-18 03:15:45	infinisil	Ah, understood that wrong then
2019-12-18 03:22:34	infinisil	Ahh and HaRe is the thing that does the component-jumpy thing, I've seen the mention of it being removed temporarily
2019-12-18 03:23:16	alanz	Its only the refactoring part that is removed from HaRe, the other parts were moved into hie
2019-12-18 03:23:24	fenedor	yeah, there are a bunch of features missing. We need to do an assessment which features have been temporarily removed
2019-12-18 03:23:55	 *	infinisil just spotted https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/48
2019-12-18 03:25:56	fenedor	unfortunately, the list is incomplete
2019-12-18 03:27:49	infinisil	GHC 8.8 support is probably not very difficult with this I imagine
2019-12-18 03:28:05	fenedor	yeah, I expect so as well
2019-12-18 03:31:13	infinisil	Question: Looking through hie-bios, it seems that the hie-bios executable could be useful. Should I package that with all-hies such that people get it automatically?
2019-12-18 03:31:22	alanz	ironically HaRe is already 8.8 compliant, was just waiting for hie
2019-12-18 03:31:56	alanz	infinisil, that sounds like a good idea
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2019-12-18 22:12:40	fendor	is everyone fine with https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/89 ?
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2019-12-18 23:28:14	alanz	fendor, timeline works for me
2019-12-18 23:29:42	fendor	alanz, glad to hear that! Last pain point is how to actually discuss about reviews... I was thinking about opening a scapegoat pr, form hie-bios to some master-mirror, because the actual pr is already rather big and hard to traverse
2019-12-18 23:30:26	alanz	fendor, because it is so big, I was wondering if we shouldn't just land it and then deal with the fallout
2019-12-18 23:30:41	fendor	we have to do that anyways
2019-12-18 23:30:45	fendor	there will be a huge fallout
2019-12-18 23:30:51	alanz	we will all find out soon enough what is broken, based on what people say.
2019-12-18 23:30:56	fendor	yeah
2019-12-18 23:31:09	fendor	but the readme should be at least complete
2019-12-18 23:31:17	alanz	Perhaps put a tag on it immediately prior to the merge, and tell people to use that version.
2019-12-18 23:31:38	alanz	It *is* one of the reasons we do the monthly release, to give some concept of "stable"
2019-12-18 23:32:18	fendor	yeah, we have the releases for that. The question is indeed if anyone can actually review all that
2019-12-18 23:32:31	fendor	more than just typos
2019-12-18 23:32:32	mpickering	I think you can review it quite easily
2019-12-18 23:32:40	mpickering	the changes are not that hard to understand when I have looked before
2019-12-18 23:33:05	alanz	mpickering, you have the whole concept in your head though
2019-12-18 23:33:19	alanz	which I guess the rest of you mostly have too
2019-12-18 23:33:36	mpickering	I think you can do the kind of review if there is any obvious TODO or mistake left in there
2019-12-18 23:33:48	mpickering	a lot of it is stuff about removing ghc-mod
2019-12-18 23:33:51	alanz	My point is we do the review over the proposed period, but do not stress too much about being perfect
2019-12-18 23:34:00	fendor	yeah, removing and/or documenting todos is a smart move
2019-12-18 23:34:08	fendor	absolutely
2019-12-18 23:34:12	fendor	I agree with alanz
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2019-12-18 23:42:19	mpickering	The patch has been under review for several months really !
2019-12-18 23:51:35	wz1000	fendor-, mpickering: I remember I got quite a bit of HaRe to work with hie-bios? 
2019-12-18 23:54:50	alanz	wz1000, I got most of it working, with my branch.
2019-12-18 23:54:52	alanz	BUT
2019-12-18 23:55:12	alanz	without being able to find the client modules of a given module, it cannot work
2019-12-18 23:55:19	alanz	and that needs a more complete module graph
2019-12-18 23:55:37	alanz	So until we have a decent story for that, HaRe can't be used.
2019-12-18 23:55:53	wz1000	all the local refactorings can still work?
2019-12-18 23:55:58	alanz	And I figured we should rather get the merge in, let the dust settle, and then tackle that
2019-12-18 23:56:18	alanz	they can, but we can't be sure that they are actually local
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2019-12-19 01:38:35	alanz	what is cabal-helper-helper?
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2019-12-19 01:45:44	infinisil	"Yo dawg, I heard you liked helpers, so I made a helper for your helper"
2019-12-19 01:46:47	jneira	:') 
2019-12-19 01:53:43	alanz	I want a parameterised meta helper, to chain as many as I want
2019-12-19 01:57:46	mpickering	fendor-: we need to build the wrapper on ci
2019-12-19 01:59:03	mpickering	jneira: can you comment on Neil's windows issues with hie-bios?
2019-12-19 01:59:33	mpickering	Because it works for you doesn't it?
2019-12-19 02:04:44	jneira	sure, i'll take a look
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2019-12-19 03:43:34	fendor	mpickering, I am sorry for the hie-bios fall-out on windows
2019-12-19 03:53:17	jneira	jumm, i trusted the test suite with thinking too much too :-/
2019-12-19 03:53:42	jneira	*without
2019-12-19 03:54:47	jneira	it would need some sort of functinal test, i suppose
2019-12-19 03:55:02	fendor	me, too :( I will take care of adding a windows CI asap
2019-12-19 03:55:57	jneira	the test suite is green with actual master
2019-12-19 03:56:12	fendor	yeah, there are no windows tests
2019-12-19 03:56:22	jneira	in my windows 10
2019-12-19 03:56:59	fendor	really? weird.
2019-12-19 03:57:39	fendor	did you find any other issues? Or did ndmitchell already find the mistake unwords / words?
2019-12-19 03:59:08	jneira	mmm, trying to reproduce ndmitchell one i hit another one
2019-12-19 04:01:12	jneira	`Cannot decode byte '\xbd': Data.Text.Internal.Encoding.streamDecodeUtf8With: Invalid UTF-8 stream`
2019-12-19 04:01:57	fendor	what is that byte?
2019-12-19 04:02:23	fendor	189
2019-12-19 04:02:54	fendor	jneira, are you encountering that problem on win 10?
2019-12-19 04:03:14	jneira	yep
2019-12-19 04:05:05	fendor	ok, gonna try, too
2019-12-19 04:05:10	fendor	have to leave the train now
2019-12-19 04:08:01	jneira	:+1:
2019-12-19 04:09:13	jneira	moreover, i have to manually delete the cached wrapper-3.0.0.exe to trigger the error
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2019-12-19 04:09:46	jneira	cause my previous 3.0.0 from a previous commmit works
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2019-12-19 04:20:02	fendor	jneira, the tests are green for you, because the windows compilation of the is wrapper only performed if there is no hie-bios windows wrapper 
2019-12-19 04:20:08	fendor	so, for you, it used the old wrapper
2019-12-19 04:20:12	fendor	which worked
2019-12-19 04:20:20	fendor	but not the new one :(
2019-12-19 04:21:36	jneira	mmm i will run it the test suite after deleting the cache
2019-12-19 04:21:50	fendor	then it ought to fail.
2019-12-19 04:22:00	fendor	without the patch of ndmitchell
2019-12-19 04:24:46	jneira	master already has it
2019-12-19 04:25:02	jneira	and after deleting the cache the test suite continue passing
2019-12-19 04:25:26	jneira	so it needs a regression test fo this, right?
2019-12-19 04:25:27	fendor	well, now it should, right? The other problem is that the wrong ghc version is used for the compilation of the cabal wrapper tool
2019-12-19 04:28:10	jneira	what do you think about add functional test?
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2019-12-19 04:29:00	jneira	it would trigger the windows error for sure
2019-12-19 04:29:25	fendor_	yeah, so, we need that
2019-12-19 04:29:55	jneira	(and only left add a windows ci) ;-)
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2019-12-19 04:31:05	jneira	and the wrapper is a problem for developers, we have to remember deleting it after build a commit
2019-12-19 04:31:50	jneira	sure i will forget it and add more noise everywhere :-/
2019-12-19 04:32:22	fendor_	we could add a commit postfix?
2019-12-19 04:32:33	fendor_	so, on version change we recompile the wrapper?
2019-12-19 04:32:44	jneira	mmm yeah i was thinking in that
2019-12-19 04:33:11	jneira	common users will have only one too (the tag commit)
2019-12-19 04:34:06	fendor_	yeah, hopefully
2019-12-19 04:34:14	fendor_	and eventually, the operating system frees the files, right?
2019-12-19 04:35:56	jneira	mmm not sure about that, i think %LOCALAPPDATA% it is not temporal
2019-12-19 04:36:51	jneira	but i think it will not be a serious problem
2019-12-19 04:40:34	fendor_	jneira, do you know what choco's default installation location is?
2019-12-19 04:42:52	fendor_	I think I found it
2019-12-19 04:43:59	jneira	sorry, i dont use choco in local
2019-12-19 04:45:25	fendor_	no worries, are using cabal, though? or only stack? I am trying to build on windows with cabal and it complains about network
2019-12-19 04:45:34	fendor_	*are you using 
2019-12-19 04:47:53	fendor_	am I missing the point if I am using the wsl?
2019-12-19 04:48:56	jneira	what error gives you?
2019-12-19 04:49:46	jneira	mmm i am afraid in wsl it likely will not be reproduced
2019-12-19 04:50:09	fendor_	damn it. 
2019-12-19 04:50:11	jneira	i am using cabal 3.0.0.0
2019-12-19 04:50:48	fendor_	cabal.exe the package has a './configure' script. If you are on Windows, This requires a Unix compatibl toolchain such as MinGW+MSYS or Cygwin...
2019-12-19 04:51:37	jneira	yeah you need msys2 for old versions of network
2019-12-19 04:52:04	jneira	welcome to the pleasure of haskell dev in windows :-P
2019-12-19 04:52:48	fendor_	yeah I know :/ 
2019-12-19 04:52:52	jneira	or use stack...
2019-12-19 04:53:07	fendor_	ok, it looks like I can reproduce the issue in wsl
2019-12-19 04:53:17	jneira	great
2019-12-19 04:53:55	fendor_	btw, it seems like the wrapper already has appended the hie-bios version number
2019-12-19 04:53:57	jneira	but it emulates a linux so i thought it would not be fail
2019-12-19 04:54:37	jneira	yeah but if you build two commits with the same numeric version...
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2019-12-19 04:55:41	fendor_	`os` reports "mingw32", so that looks good, right?
2019-12-19 04:55:55	jneira	yep
2019-12-19 04:55:59	fendor_	great
2019-12-19 04:58:40	jneira	have to go to sleep , good hunt! =D 
2019-12-19 04:58:50	jneira	and good night
2019-12-19 05:00:30	fendor	thanks! good night
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2019-12-19 18:46:33	Franciman	Hi
2019-12-19 18:46:44	Franciman	is there any news regarding v2-build support?
2019-12-19 18:46:49	Franciman	v2-style builds*
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2019-12-19 18:58:15	fendor	Franciman, yeah, in pr #1126, v2-* is supported
2019-12-19 18:58:56	fendor	see https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/89 and https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/48 for the eta 
2019-12-19 18:59:11	fendor	tldr, we aim to merge on friday some time
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2019-12-19 19:19:11	mpickering	fendor: Is there anything you want me to do?
2019-12-19 19:19:19	mpickering	I finished my last bit of work for the year today
2019-12-19 19:19:32	fendor	a final review of hie if possible
2019-12-19 19:22:46	fendor	also, maybe enabling appveyor for hie-bios?
2019-12-19 19:23:07	fendor	so, the fresh windows ci can be run from now on
2019-12-19 19:47:15	mpickering	what does that entail?
2019-12-19 19:47:54	fendor	appveyor or hie review?
2019-12-19 19:48:30	mpickering	appveyor
2019-12-19 19:49:13	fendor	roughly the same as for travis
2019-12-19 19:49:32	fendor	however, i gtg, see ya!
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2019-12-20 01:29:58	zeta_0	error: ghcmod: could not find module Yesod?
2019-12-20 01:30:43	zeta_0	does this have to do with haskell-ide-engine, or is this something that is nix related?
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2019-12-20 03:58:22	zeta_0	for some reason ghc-mod is not recognizing modules, i am getting an error ghcmod: could not find module Yesod, when i run the program everything works fine, so think that the problem might have to do with haskell-ide engine itself?
2019-12-20 03:58:37	zeta_0	do you guys know why i am getting this problem and how to fix it?
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2019-12-20 05:27:19	lukelau	fendor: mpickering are you able to initialize haskell-ide-engine with an implicit cabal-helper-cabal-V2 cradle?
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2019-12-20 15:58:21	jneira_	errr i've wrongly pushed directly to mpickering/hie-bios 
2019-12-20 15:58:32	jneira_	sorry :-(
2019-12-20 15:58:52	mpickering	:)
2019-12-20 15:58:59	mpickering	To the master branch?
2019-12-20 15:59:05	jneira_	it is docs and install changes
2019-12-20 15:59:21	jneira_	but let me know if you think they need to be reverted
2019-12-20 15:59:26	jneira_	yeah :-|
2019-12-20 15:59:57	jneira_	my first time
2019-12-20 16:00:22	mpickering	I always rename remotes where I have push access to something other than origin
2019-12-20 16:00:51	jneira_	good practice, i will follow
2019-12-20 16:01:21	jneira_	to be honest i ever forgot that i have permission to push
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2019-12-20 16:04:33	jneira_	i usually set the branch upstream to my repo and pull explicitly from the orgiginal one
2019-12-20 16:04:52	jneira_	but not this time
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2019-12-20 16:19:06	mpickering	jneira_: Ah I see you mean haskell-ide-engine/hie-bios not the hie-bios repo
2019-12-20 16:24:28	fenedor	jneira_, I was wondering about that :D but they are good changes, afaict, so, no need to revert, imo
2019-12-20 16:24:42	jneira_	yep, merge hie-bios branch will be good only to let me not be ambiguous with names :-D
2019-12-20 16:25:33	mpickering	It's easy to make mistakes with this stuff
2019-12-20 16:25:45	mpickering	I thought I did a bad release yesterday because I had a dirty working tree
2019-12-20 16:25:54	fenedor	yeah, I agree. 
2019-12-20 16:26:35	fenedor	I also switched my policy that origin is *always* my remote and anything else, such as upstream is upstream or named after the original remote
2019-12-20 16:27:01	jneira_	yeah i do it too
2019-12-20 16:27:13	fenedor	is that best practice? I actually never found resources to this topic
2019-12-20 16:27:26	fenedor	and I think multiple people must have run into this, right?
2019-12-20 16:27:36	jneira_	you have to pull explicitly from upstream then, right?
2019-12-20 16:27:54	jneira_	the problem is you can forgot to pull from upstream
2019-12-20 16:28:51	jneira_	but it usually is an individual problem (you have to rebase afterwards or you discover your changes have no sense :-P)
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2019-12-20 16:30:38	mpickering	I'm going to review the `hie-bios` PR Now
2019-12-20 16:32:15	jneira_	:+1:
2019-12-20 16:33:00	jneira_	i hope `GHC.Fingerprint` will not add much overhead, i've not tested the performance
2019-12-20 16:33:21	jneira_	the source file is very small
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2019-12-20 16:36:17	mpickering	fendor: What does `findLocalCradle` do?
2019-12-20 16:38:47	fenedor	jneira_, I usually do git pull --all
2019-12-20 16:39:45	jneira_	mmm maybe `git config remote.pushDefault origin`
2019-12-20 16:39:46	fenedor	mpickering, a wrapper around loading a cradle. If there is a hie.yaml, load the cradle associated with it and otherwise use c-h to find a cradle
2019-12-20 16:40:15	jneira_	https://git-scm.com/docs/git-config#Documentation/git-config.txt-remotepushDefault
2019-12-20 16:40:26	mpickering	does it also resolve the multi-cradle component?
2019-12-20 16:41:01	fenedor	mpickering, no, it just parses the hie.yaml
2019-12-20 16:41:08	mpickering	thanks
2019-12-20 16:43:15	mpickering	It occurred to me fenedor that we could implement go-to definition differently
2019-12-20 16:43:19	mpickering	rather than rely on `nameSrcSpan`
2019-12-20 16:43:48	fenedor	mpickering, cool, how
2019-12-20 16:43:49	fenedor	?
2019-12-20 16:44:08	mpickering	well you could traverse the module graph and make a map of `Name -> SrcLoc` yourself
2019-12-20 16:44:37	fenedor	create a custom definition map then?
2019-12-20 16:44:50	mpickering	yeah, does a map like this already exist in HIE?
2019-12-20 16:45:02	fenedor	not sure.
2019-12-20 16:45:09	fenedor	but I dont think so
2019-12-20 16:46:50	fenedor	wouldnt that potentially take up a lot of space? 
2019-12-20 16:47:21	mpickering	I don't think that much
2019-12-20 16:47:28	mpickering	there are not that many top-level names
2019-12-20 16:48:14	fenedor	go-to definition also works for identifiers within functions
2019-12-20 16:48:30	mpickering	for those you will have `nameSrcSpan`
2019-12-20 16:48:38	fenedor	ah, ok
2019-12-20 16:49:25	fenedor	side question, I just realized that our mechanism to determine the ghcProjVersion is broken with multi stack and cabal cradle. 
2019-12-20 16:49:49	fenedor	because if we determine the ghc version based on the name of the cradle and both cabal and stack multi cradle are called "multi"
2019-12-20 16:50:07	mpickering	That is what I am commented about in my review
2019-12-20 16:50:19	fenedor	didnt see that yet
2019-12-20 16:50:44	mpickering	yeah I'm doing that in one transaction now
2019-12-20 16:51:07	fenedor	makes sense
2019-12-20 16:57:05	fenedor	maybe it is time now to move functions such "isStackCradle" into hie-bios?
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2019-12-20 16:57:16	mpickering	sure
2019-12-20 16:59:10	fenedor	although, it raises some questions. What type of multi-cradle should a multi-cradle be that has stack and cabal?
2019-12-20 16:59:52	fenedor	lets say just multi
2019-12-20 17:00:14	mpickering	I was thinking that the multi-cradle should be specialised a bit
2019-12-20 17:00:25	mpickering	or constrained a bit
2019-12-20 17:00:39	mpickering	but I'm not sure
2019-12-20 17:02:41	fenedor	neither... 
2019-12-20 17:02:51	mpickering	we'll see what happens
2019-12-20 17:03:16	mpickering	There is an assumption I think that one hie.yaml file can be handled by one GHC session
2019-12-20 17:03:21	mpickering	which means not using conflicting package versions
2019-12-20 17:05:01	fenedor	yeah, we could still have a multi cradle where one component is cabal and another is stack
2019-12-20 17:06:21	fenedor	and I think this assumption mainly holds for ghcide. We are not sharing, for example, the hsc session between hie-plugin-api and haskell-ide-engine, right?
2019-12-20 17:08:09	mpickering	yeah but the reason we don't assume that is because the GHC API can't load multiple components in easily at once
2019-12-20 17:08:20	fenedor	but I understand your argument, if we had an independent sub-project, there must be a distinct hie.yaml for it
2019-12-20 17:08:28	mpickering	I noticed there are a lot of `.hie-bios` files in this PR which should be removed
2019-12-20 17:08:47	mpickering	oh you already commented that
2019-12-20 17:09:18	fenedor	yeah, initially, those were used for the tests, but since these are no platform independent, we switched to generating hie.yaml's
2019-12-20 17:10:06	mpickering	I think the main things which need doing are deleting commented out code
2019-12-20 17:10:13	mpickering	and making issues for things which are not quite finished
2019-12-20 17:11:25	fenedor	mpickering, yeah, but in which order? Should we create the issues before merging or after merging?
2019-12-20 17:11:55	mpickering	before I suppose? so you can reference the issue number in the source code
2019-12-20 17:12:13	fenedor	but yeah, I agree, the main thing I expect from this review is deleting unused code.
2019-12-20 17:15:56	fenedor	I am going baking for some hours, afterwards I help integrating stuff from the review!
2019-12-20 17:16:08	mpickering	What are you baking?
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2019-12-20 17:28:01	fenedor	some cookies
2019-12-20 17:28:39	fenedor	dont know which yet, maybe I have to go shopping, too
2019-12-20 17:30:29	mpickering	I was thinking I would bake some bread today but I already have lots so perhaps not
2019-12-20 17:30:41	mpickering	trying to relax after finishing work.. currently just by programming 
2019-12-20 17:30:45	mpickering	classic stuff
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2019-12-20 19:13:22	fenedor	baking bread would be more healthy than 600 g of white chocolate
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2019-12-20 21:55:34	fenedor	can I have a quick review forhttps://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/96 ?
2019-12-20 21:58:39	fenedor	thank you!
2019-12-20 21:58:56	fenedor	I will start writing down issues that need to be tackled after merge
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2019-12-20 23:15:27	fenedor	for everyone, this is my current list of stuff that needs to be done after a merge. Maybe everything gets a ticket for that
2019-12-20 23:18:57	fenedor	*continues to forget posting the list*
2019-12-20 23:19:04	fenedor	https://hackmd.io/2gNgHaJUSvGp4qtQjsVd0w
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2019-12-21 00:20:22	mpickering	thanks fenedor looks good
2019-12-21 00:20:48	fenedor	it is another long list
2019-12-21 00:20:56	fenedor	but at least, each of the items is minor
2019-12-21 00:46:13	fenedor	btw, it should be possible to modify the list yourself, e.g. add explanations, or add bullet points
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2019-12-21 01:30:25	alanz	Most of the HaRe issues will be solved by sorting out the module graph story
2019-12-21 01:30:42	alanz	Including 8.8 support
2019-12-21 01:38:51	infinisil	alanz: Any plans for how to sort it out?
2019-12-21 01:39:22	alanz	I don't have any, but I want to see hie-bios merged, and that is an orthogonal issue
2019-12-21 01:39:56	alanz	There is a lot of other good functionality that we can use, and it enables us to consider the hie/ghcide situation, before we move too far apart
2019-12-21 01:40:41	alanz	on githubm what does " You need to leave a comment indicating the requested changes. " mean?
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2019-12-21 01:54:29	fenedor	does somebody know if we are waiting for more reviews?
2019-12-21 01:55:22	mpickering	You're the release manager :)
2019-12-21 01:55:24	lukelau	I’m happy to merge things now and start tidying up from haskell:master
2019-12-21 01:55:45	lukelau	Presumably https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/pull/88 is going to be merged straight to haskell:master too?
2019-12-21 01:56:04	mpickering	I need to do an apply-refact release apparently?
2019-12-21 01:56:06	mpickering	I thought I did that
2019-12-21 01:56:26	alanz	I agree with lukelau 
2019-12-21 01:56:38	lukelau	mpickering: apparently you have, my bad
2019-12-21 01:56:45	alanz	And I suggest we get it in, sort out some stuff, then look at 8.8
2019-12-21 01:56:57	mpickering	lukelau: I didn't!
2019-12-21 01:56:59	mpickering	My bad
2019-12-21 01:57:12	fenedor	Nobody wrote, we should extend the deadline. Therefore, I assume we are done. I am happy with the pr as is and have an extensive lists of todos for later
2019-12-21 01:57:12	lukelau	wha
2019-12-21 01:57:21	mpickering	I just checked hackage anyway
2019-12-21 01:57:45	fenedor	merging hie-bios will cause a lot of issues to get closed and opened :D
2019-12-21 01:57:50	lukelau	I can’t remember when that apply-refact PR fix for 8.8 got merged. I thought it was sometime in november and the last uploaded date on hackage was in november
2019-12-21 01:58:46	alanz	fenedor, sometime you have to just do it
2019-12-21 01:59:10	alanz	Perfection is a myth, and there are bound to be things that pop up in actual use that we would never see anyway
2019-12-21 01:59:15	fenedor	Yeah. I think we can be happy with the current state.
2019-12-21 01:59:28	mpickering	lukelau: November, 2018
2019-12-21 01:59:28	lukelau	Shall we push the button tonight then?
2019-12-21 01:59:34	lukelau	mpickering: oh. lol
2019-12-21 01:59:39	mpickering	Are we going to squash it?
2019-12-21 01:59:48	lukelau	mpickering: i would like to keep the commit history
2019-12-21 01:59:54	lukelau	I use git blame quite a lot
2019-12-21 02:00:00	fenedor	I think, we are pressing the button tonight
2019-12-21 02:00:01	mpickering	the history is a complete mess
2019-12-21 02:00:08	mpickering	and has about 10 big merge commits in
2019-12-21 02:00:15	fenedor	at least 10
2019-12-21 02:00:25	lukelau	merge commits as in master -> hie-bios?
2019-12-21 02:00:38	fenedor	yeah, and branches in between
2019-12-21 02:00:41	mpickering	I would really like to squash
2019-12-21 02:01:00	mpickering	the first commits are just me doing proof of concept
2019-12-21 02:01:08	alanz	I am happy to not squash, there is history in there
2019-12-21 02:01:08	mpickering	and hie-bios moves in and out of existence and so on
2019-12-21 02:01:23	fenedor	I think it is fine, the history of hie is already not that clean
2019-12-21 02:01:33	alanz	Which most people will never look at, but if we need to see how things came about we can
2019-12-21 02:01:50	lukelau	Are the merge commits that bad?
2019-12-21 02:01:59	lukelau	I think most of the history of hie is already pretty “raw”
2019-12-21 02:02:11	alanz	exactly. This is real-world software dev
2019-12-21 02:02:16	lukelau	github seems to handle them pretty well too
2019-12-21 02:02:31	lukelau	or we could try a rebase?
2019-12-21 02:02:37	mpickering	hhhhhhahahaha
2019-12-21 02:02:56	fenedor	haha, yeah, I can not imagine that a rebase will
2019-12-21 02:02:57	lukelau	how much spare time do you have tonight 😛 
2019-12-21 02:02:58	alanz	no, I reckon merge
2019-12-21 02:03:13	mpickering	there's a reason why I didn't rebase it already and did merge commits
2019-12-21 02:03:15	alanz	A rebase is likely to get us somewhere weird
2019-12-21 02:03:20	fenedor	my victory beer is ready: 🐋
2019-12-21 02:03:34	mpickering	I drank my victory beer already
2019-12-21 02:03:53	alanz	fenedor, I think you are a collaborator, you push the button
2019-12-21 02:04:14	alanz	as release manager. And you have earned it
2019-12-21 02:04:24	alanz	well, all of you
2019-12-21 02:04:32	fenedor	I agree we all did
2019-12-21 02:04:33	lukelau	great work fenedor!
2019-12-21 02:04:38	lukelau	and mpickering and to all
2019-12-21 02:04:45	mpickering	well done everyone
2019-12-21 02:05:00	mpickering	A lot of potentially important things have happened this week in my life
2019-12-21 02:05:04	mpickering	now to add another one
2019-12-21 02:05:05	alanz	mpickering, is the originator and motivating force. And a massive group effort
2019-12-21 02:05:07	fenedor	yeah, thank you jneira, lukelau, mpickering, and alanz ! the list goes on.
2019-12-21 02:05:17	mpickering	wz1000 as well
2019-12-21 02:05:26	fenedor	exactly
2019-12-21 02:05:40	alanz	I think the entire hie family has had a finger in this one somewhere
2019-12-21 02:05:51	fenedor	absolutely
2019-12-21 02:05:55	mpickering	I wonder if this will be my first commit to hie..
2019-12-21 02:06:31	fenedor	no, you already have three commits ;D 
2019-12-21 02:06:34	alanz	surely not
2019-12-21 02:06:41	mpickering	lol but those three commits
2019-12-21 02:06:43	alanz	But landing with a bang if so
2019-12-21 02:06:46	mpickering	were on my branch
2019-12-21 02:06:52	mpickering	and I got someone to cherry-pick them onto master..
2019-12-21 02:06:53	mpickering	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/commits?author=mpickering
2019-12-21 02:07:04	fenedor	hehe, lol. I think one of them was me
2019-12-21 02:07:04	lukelau	ah yeah the window progress stuff
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2019-12-21 02:07:30	fenedor	ok, so, I am allowed to press the merge commit button?
2019-12-21 02:07:52	lukelau	I’m happy!
2019-12-21 02:07:56	alanz	morally, yes. If it does not work, I will add you as a collaborator
2019-12-21 02:08:05	fenedor	I am a collaborator already
2019-12-21 02:08:15	fenedor	then let's go! 
2019-12-21 02:08:20	lukelau	i’ve got my merge beer ready
2019-12-21 02:08:41	alanz	go for it, I have mine on hand too. several
2019-12-21 02:08:49	fenedor	merged!
2019-12-21 02:08:54	mpickering	nice
2019-12-21 02:08:59	lukelau	ahaha i just saw the open label switch to merged
2019-12-21 02:09:22	lukelau	congrats!
2019-12-21 02:09:42	fenedor	yeah! that was a big step!
2019-12-21 02:09:51	alanz	well done all, a major step
2019-12-21 02:10:22	fenedor	mpickering, now you have 146 commits :D 
2019-12-21 02:10:41	mpickering	;) 
2019-12-21 02:10:51	alanz	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/2FU2dJ8u/hie-bios-merged.png
2019-12-21 02:11:31	lukelau	aw the CI failed
2019-12-21 02:11:55	alanz	probably need to flush the cache, will do it now
2019-12-21 02:13:00	alanz	https://circleci.com/workflow-run/60162f36-10e0-445c-a633-d1527738a5a6
2019-12-21 02:13:04	alanz	still running
2019-12-21 02:13:40	fenedor	this will run for some time. A lot of the caches are invalidated now
2019-12-21 02:14:49	mpickering	btw does anyone know anything about event sourcing in python?
2019-12-21 02:15:16	alanz	wow, quite a subject change
2019-12-21 02:15:22	mpickering	hence the, btw
2019-12-21 02:16:08	mpickering	My winter project is to try to fix this python program I wrote last year
2019-12-21 02:16:27	mpickering	which is about 5 google cloud functions storing things in 8 buckets
2019-12-21 02:16:52	mpickering	which has been a nightmare to maintain, now I am wise I will write one "fat" cloud function and use event sourcing I think
2019-12-21 02:17:23	fenedor	sorry, havent used python for some time now :/
2019-12-21 02:17:39	alanz	nor me. And unlikely to change, if I have any say in the matter
2019-12-21 02:17:58	alanz	I do know there are now static type-checkers for python though
2019-12-21 02:18:08	mpickering	there are just so many libraries
2019-12-21 02:18:18	mpickering	it's hard to not use it for hobby projects I find if I want to do any GIS work
2019-12-21 02:18:29	fenedor	a damn, I actually forgot an issue: https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/87 I encounter this myself when using stack. the command `stack repl haskell-ide-enngine:lib` fails, do we know why?
2019-12-21 02:18:39	mpickering	and part of this project does some web scraping using selenium
2019-12-21 02:19:08	mpickering	looks like a stack issue?
2019-12-21 02:19:12	alanz	Fundamentally it is about solving problems, actually. Not getting stuck in some or other tech snobbery
2019-12-21 02:19:27	mpickering	fenedor: It happens from the command line as well?
2019-12-21 02:19:31	fenedor	mpickering, yeah
2019-12-21 02:19:42	fenedor	I think https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1455 runs in the same problem
2019-12-21 02:19:51	fenedor	maybe the private library hie-test-utils?
2019-12-21 02:21:20	mpickering	https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/issues/4616
2019-12-21 02:21:21	mpickering	perhaps?
2019-12-21 02:21:27	mpickering	if you stack build first does it work?
2019-12-21 02:21:44	fenedor	ill try
2019-12-21 02:25:25	mpickering	seems like a pretty bad, and easy to fix bug, that `stack ghci` doesn't build enough stuff lol
2019-12-21 02:25:36	fenedor	mpickering, cabal does the same
2019-12-21 02:25:50	fenedor	or sometimes at least
2019-12-21 02:26:34	lukelau	fenedor: where is this z coming from in “z-haskell-ide-engine-z-hie-test-utils” ?
2019-12-21 02:26:45	lukelau	is this a private lib thing
2019-12-21 02:26:47	fenedor	lukelau, no clue but it is definitely unrelated to hie-bios
2019-12-21 02:27:12	fenedor	I remember seeing a similar problem a year ago when I first started using hie
2019-12-21 02:27:14	alanz	the -z- stuff comes from backpack support in cabal, I think
2019-12-21 02:27:54	alanz	or some internal library name munging in cabal to support it
2019-12-21 02:30:10	fenedor	I am closing a lot of issues
2019-12-21 02:31:07	alanz	:+1:
2019-12-21 02:34:29	fenedor	infinisil, you can drop support hie-bios branch now
2019-12-21 02:36:42	infinisil	:D
2019-12-21 02:42:28	fenedor	alanz, can we solve that issue somehow?
2019-12-21 02:43:37	alanz	the -z- stuff? No idea
2019-12-21 02:45:18	lukelau	Does anyone have any objections to retiring the .travis.yml script for now? i.e. just renaming it
2019-12-21 02:45:29	lukelau	It’s failing because it’s still trying to build 8.2.2
2019-12-21 02:46:35	alanz	we no longer support 8.2.2, so you can alternatively remove that.
2019-12-21 02:46:49	alanz	But iirc the timeout is too short, so it is useless anyway
2019-12-21 02:47:00	alanz	Someone was trying to make it work, for mac stuff?
2019-12-21 02:47:15	fenedor	yeah, no objections to removing it
2019-12-21 02:47:21	lukelau	I was trying to squeeze mac builds out of it
2019-12-21 02:47:35	lukelau	which now is probably possible because of the new c-h 
2019-12-21 02:47:47	fenedor	is stack dead at the moment? I am trying to build hie with it and claims that hie-bios-0.3.2 does not exist on hacakge? 0.o well, cabal disagrees for sure
2019-12-21 02:47:48	lukelau	but i think it needs a fresh approach
2019-12-21 02:47:48	alanz	I guess my rambles above can be translated as, "ok, remove it"
2019-12-21 02:47:49	fenedor	and ci as well
2019-12-21 02:48:01	lukelau	fenedor: when was hie-bios-0.3.2 uploaded?
2019-12-21 02:48:09	fenedor	2 days ago?
2019-12-21 02:48:16	lukelau	is it in extra-deps?
2019-12-21 02:48:27	fenedor	yeah
2019-12-21 02:48:31	fenedor	ci works
2019-12-21 02:48:46	lukelau	`stack update` ?
2019-12-21 02:48:51	lukelau	did that do anything
2019-12-21 02:48:59	fenedor	no, didnt
2019-12-21 02:49:22	alanz	question: what currently prevents hie from being on hackage? migration of ghc-mod-types to a releasable package, and ?
2019-12-21 02:49:24	fenedor	maybe nix related? 
2019-12-21 02:49:34	fenedor	alanz, and release of cabal-helper
2019-12-21 02:50:03	lukelau	yes
2019-12-21 02:50:04	alanz	dxld, what prevents cabal-helper release?
2019-12-21 02:50:18	lukelau	one PR that I made
2019-12-21 02:50:57	lukelau	https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/pull/84
2019-12-21 02:53:51	alanz	ok, well lets see what dxld has to say, maybe we can twist his arm
2019-12-21 02:54:49	alanz	And somewhere soon we need to get mpickering and cocreature in the same room, together with whoever else makes sense, around ghcide/hie integration
2019-12-21 02:55:15	mpickering	I intend to try the integration over christmas
2019-12-21 02:55:35	alanz	awesome
2019-12-21 02:55:47	alanz	which way will that work?
2019-12-21 02:55:57	mpickering	I don't know :)
2019-12-21 02:55:57	 *	alanz notices that Christmas is next week
2019-12-21 02:56:15	alanz	no problem, paying attention to it is the main thing
2019-12-21 02:56:29	mpickering	but I am a bit wary to start before someone else implements proper multi-component support
2019-12-21 02:56:40	mpickering	because I don't really think I want to do that
2019-12-21 02:56:54	alanz	btw, how did you decide on annevoi for GHC week?
2019-12-21 02:57:31	alanz	what is ghcide doing for it? and does it block integration?
2019-12-21 02:57:34	mpickering	just looked for suitable venues in the whole of europe
2019-12-21 02:57:42	mpickering	they just haven't implemented anything yet
2019-12-21 02:57:48	mpickering	so it doesn't support multi-cradle at all
2019-12-21 02:57:52	alanz	ok, interesting.
2019-12-21 03:04:15	alanz	we are causing lots of global warming via circleci tonight :)
2019-12-21 03:06:11	lukelau	alanz: have you been hit with the new circleCI dashboard yet?
2019-12-21 03:06:39	lukelau	I can’t see the status of the branches without turning on “enable pipeline processing”, but I haven’t hit the switch for the haskell org yet since apparently its irreversable
2019-12-21 03:07:37	fenedor	lukelau, new dashboard is horrible. 
2019-12-21 03:08:30	alanz	I generally ignore all the "new" things until I am forced.  With a view that it is not really something I want
2019-12-21 03:15:20	lukelau	ah i see there’s an old dashboard button
2019-12-21 03:15:41	lukelau	by the way nice job closing all those issues fenedor. my notifications tray is full of red, super satisfying to see
2019-12-21 03:16:30	fenedor	lukelau, thank you! unfortunately, tomorrow or in the next days, my list https://hackmd.io/2gNgHaJUSvGp4qtQjsVd0w will cause a lot of issues to be opened :)
2019-12-21 03:17:07	lukelau	still good to see a lot of stale issues get closed. fresh issues are better ;)
2019-12-21 03:17:43	fenedor	absolutely :)
2019-12-21 03:18:01	alanz	do we have something like "merge on approval" set for our PRs?
2019-12-21 03:18:26	alanz	lukelau, there is a school of thought that says close stale issue, if they are real they come back.
2019-12-21 03:18:48	alanz	And another that disagrees, in general for things that have a long time horizon
2019-12-21 03:19:06	lukelau	alanz: there’s mergebot i think
2019-12-21 03:19:24	lukelau	but as far as im aware nothing built into github
2019-12-21 03:19:48	alanz	ok. I have noticed that I approve PRs and they merge almost instantly
2019-12-21 03:19:54	alanz	I guess we are all on fire tonight
2019-12-21 03:20:02	fenedor	hahaha, yeah, we are!
2019-12-21 03:20:15	lukelau	oh i just had the pr open in front of me when i saw you approved it
2019-12-21 03:20:36	lukelau	there seems to be some sort of background refreshing going on since the pr gets updated without reloading the page
2019-12-21 03:21:29	lukelau	Just noticing some interesting rules available though https://postimg.cc/Dm9wsPqz
2019-12-21 03:21:38	alanz	yes, I noticed that some time ago. Its pretty useful
2019-12-21 03:22:02	lukelau	linear history might be nice. i believe that was added for the llvm-project
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2019-12-21 03:22:47	alanz	personally I have no problem with merge commits
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2019-12-21 03:24:00	alanz	and I am going offline now, family time. Thanks again all
2019-12-21 03:25:17	lukelau	night
2019-12-21 03:32:17	fenedor	good night!
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2019-12-21 06:17:24	jneira[m]	I've come late to the party, but congrats to everybody, it has been an honour help you to make hie-bios land
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2019-12-21 14:39:47	wz1000	lukelau, fendor, alanz: congrats on the merge. now prepare for a huge PR to haskell-lsp, lsp-test and h-i-e that I've been putting off for months and am finally back on track to finishing
2019-12-21 14:41:31	wz1000	i guess I'm going to have to write a patch for the ghcide folks too
2019-12-21 14:42:45	wz1000	I hope I'm not missing anything downstream of haskell-lsp
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2019-12-21 15:46:45	alanz	wz1000, what does the huge patch do?
2019-12-21 15:48:55	alanz	And I think the haskell-lsp downstream base is quitely growing
2019-12-21 16:00:01	wz1000	fancy types and more type safety. and it makes the api of lsp-test much better
2019-12-21 16:06:14	alanz	ok. Does it keep the cognitive load around using haskell-lsp reasonable?
2019-12-21 16:08:11	wz1000	it might increase it a bit for working on haskell-lsp itself, but I think it makes it much better for consumers
2019-12-21 16:09:55	wz1000	the diffs for h-i-e and lsp-test might convince you. I'll have something up in a couple of days after I sort out a few remaining niggles
2019-12-21 16:11:22	alanz	ok. In principle I have no problem, and prefer type safety, but it can be a trade-off
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2019-12-21 17:55:25	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1486
2019-12-21 17:55:53	alanz	I think we might be best to just delete ghc-project-types, and disable cabalModuleGraphs, until it is done properly
2019-12-21 17:56:37	fenedor	alanz, ok I am fine with that.
2019-12-21 17:57:26	alanz	to me it makes the most sense. Keeps the design space open for whatever we decide on module graphs, and does not drag a dependency along that we may not even need
2019-12-21 17:58:02	fenedor	yeah makes sense. We still have to tackle the module graph, though.
2019-12-21 17:58:17	fenedor	the module graph is over all components, right?
2019-12-21 17:58:50	alanz	yes.
2019-12-21 17:59:10	alanz	And for extra future bonus points, across all packages in the project too
2019-12-21 17:59:28	alanz	possibly configurable via hie.yaml.
2019-12-21 17:59:33	fenedor	are HIE files are solution?
2019-12-21 17:59:38	fenedor	or orthogonal?
2019-12-21 17:59:57	alanz	To me this is fairly tightly tied to the cross-package go-to-definition problem
2019-12-21 18:00:19	alanz	I think the first pass is to make it work within a single package, across multiple components
2019-12-21 18:00:50	alanz	or even just a full module graph for a single component, which would allow us to get HaRe back in a sort-of-usable state
2019-12-21 18:01:22	alanz	In my view, it should be something that is computed lazily when asked for, and cached
2019-12-21 18:02:03	alanz	And I wonder if the ghcide architecture might be a better basis for that
2019-12-21 18:02:28	fenedor	it probably is, since it is somewhat a compiler
2019-12-21 18:02:46	fenedor	so, you really have the whole module-graph
2019-12-21 18:04:22	alanz	Well, I was thinking more of on-demand computation. But I have to admit I still have a proper investigation on my todo list
2019-12-21 18:07:01	fenedor	we probably have to deal with it soon
2019-12-21 18:07:30	fenedor	btw, I started a todo list https://hackmd.io/2gNgHaJUSvGp4qtQjsVd0w?both with stuff that we need to address, should I create an issue for each one of these items?
2019-12-21 18:09:44	fenedor	or rather, is it ok if I do?
2019-12-21 18:11:46	alanz	I think that is a good idea
2019-12-21 18:12:20	alanz	fenedor, you are doing a *great* project management role for us
2019-12-21 18:15:46	fenedor	alanz, thanks :) 
2019-12-21 18:21:29	fenedor	I think almost exactly one year ago I landed my first pr in HIE! The first version of the install script.
2019-12-21 18:22:29	mpickering	My friend was quite impressed by how organised things were :p
2019-12-21 18:23:01	mpickering	This was compared to his undergrad group project though
2019-12-21 18:24:17	fenedor	hehe, I would say the main difference is here, that everybody *wants* to work together and we were able to completely avoid the issue of "this is my code, dont touch it or I hate you"
2019-12-21 18:25:30	fenedor	that was at least in my undergrad group project the biggest issue
2019-12-21 18:25:35	fenedor	code ownership
2019-12-21 18:25:57	fenedor	and coders that were lazy
2019-12-21 18:26:40	Rembane	Did people get mad when someone changed their code? 
2019-12-21 18:28:51	fenedor	in my group project, yeah.
2019-12-21 18:29:29	fenedor	and offended
2019-12-21 18:31:29	Rembane	Oh, because they thought the code they wrote was perfect? Or some other reason?
2019-12-21 18:31:32	 *	Rembane is fascinated
2019-12-21 18:32:29	fenedor	Well, at least that the code of the others is not better.
2019-12-21 18:33:10	Rembane	That is generally true.
2019-12-21 18:33:26	Rembane	If better = I recognize it and can easily work in it 
2019-12-21 18:33:58	fenedor	the best/worst moment when we tried to explain that they should not cast like this: ArrayList<_> l = (ArrayList<_>) someCollection; just to iterate through the elements
2019-12-21 18:35:11	fenedor	It is complex... 
2019-12-21 18:36:06	fenedor	We also had a behemoth-class with 1200 locs where a lot of code was duplicated. However, we had almost no bugs in that class... so it was kind of ok, but if somebody else would have had to change stuff...
2019-12-21 18:36:21	fenedor	For every change, we had to ask the responsible programmer
2019-12-21 18:39:50	Rembane	That must make the whole process very slow and frustrating.
2019-12-21 18:41:17	fenedor	yeah. The whole project was frustrating. 
2019-12-21 18:41:38	fenedor	But I suppose, when you learn, you are not making everything great from the start, probably not even acceptable
2019-12-21 18:42:14	fenedor	and for me that was the first major project with six people.
2019-12-21 18:43:35	fenedor	so I dont think that was out of the ordinary
2019-12-21 18:47:40	fenedor	alanz, did you notice that we accidentally added support for stack scripts? :D
2019-12-21 18:48:05	Rembane	Indeed. I think that nothing is very good from the start, everything needs iterations.
2019-12-21 18:49:59	fenedor	agreed. practice makes perfect. or at least better
2019-12-21 18:53:19	jneira	behemot class of 1200 lines?  :-D
2019-12-21 18:53:36	mpickering	It seems his main complaint was that there are two people in the group who will just implement something in whatever language and dump the code on the rest of the group without doing much communication. 
2019-12-21 18:54:01	jneira	one of my first refactorings in my actual job was split a 8000 loc java class in two
2019-12-21 18:54:30	mpickering	So it seems in this situation there's nothing he can really do apart from work around them because no one has any authority at all.. I'm glad I didn't have to do any of these projects during my undergrad 
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2019-12-21 18:56:53	mpickering	fenedor: Do stack scripts really work already? How much did you test it?
2019-12-21 18:57:03	fenedor	strictly speaking, there were two really good engineers that got into each others hair and two that didnt not want to work at all and didnt much care about it :) And yeah, exactly, there was not much I could do about it.
2019-12-21 18:57:19	fenedor	mpickering, I tried with an example project with package dependencies
2019-12-21 18:57:25	mpickering	oh nice, so it does work
2019-12-21 18:57:30	fenedor	but it works because `stack repl filename.hs` works
2019-12-21 18:57:34	mpickering	yeah
2019-12-21 18:57:40	fenedor	hilarious
2019-12-21 18:57:46	fenedor	now we have to add it for cabal as well ;D 
2019-12-21 18:58:08	mpickering	Perhaps we could do something more clever rather than having to explicitly configure it
2019-12-21 18:58:14	mpickering	because the point of one of these scripts is you have one file 
2019-12-21 18:58:24	mpickering	and to make it work you have to make a specific config file?
2019-12-21 18:58:34	fenedor	yeah, but a very short config file is also ok in my opinion.
2019-12-21 18:58:52	fenedor	yeah, you need to create a `hie.yaml`
2019-12-21 18:59:29	fenedor	for now at least.
2019-12-21 19:01:00	alanz	> alanz, did you notice that we accidentally added support for stack scripts? :D
2019-12-21 19:01:03	alanz	yes, I did
2019-12-21 19:02:10	fenedor	I am spamming a bit, but it was just so unexpected when I thought about it this morning.
2019-12-21 19:03:29	alanz	I think it's great
2019-12-21 19:03:45	alanz	and was working through my ticket notifications this morning, and saw it
2019-12-21 19:06:04	mpickering	It's probably quite easy to add support to cabal as well
2019-12-21 19:06:13	mpickering	It would be useful for using cabal scripts with ghcid for example as well
2019-12-21 19:06:26	mpickering	when I'm doing research I use cabal scripts a lot
2019-12-21 19:07:42	fenedor	yeah, adding support for cabal scripts would be great. Ill see if I can tackle this
2019-12-21 19:08:12	mpickering	because cabal run already works for them?
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2019-12-21 19:09:09	fenedor	yeah, but I dont understand cabal, so dont know how much is really missing
2019-12-21 19:12:27	mpickering	Ok I just looked
2019-12-21 19:12:31	mpickering	and it seems this will be really simple
2019-12-21 19:13:02	mpickering	If you look in `CmdRun.hs` then if the target string doesn't match any of the targets it tries to interpret it as a script
2019-12-21 19:13:38	mpickering	there is one function `handleScriptCase` which takes a filepath and parses the header and returns new targets which are passed to run
2019-12-21 19:14:11	mpickering	So to implement this all you have to do is factor out `handleScript` case into another module and then import and use it in the repl code path
2019-12-21 19:16:01	fenedor	sounds easy enough. Ill try either tomorrow or after Tuesday
2019-12-21 19:16:19	mpickering	Hmm in `CmdRepl.hs` there is already a function very similar to `handleScript`
2019-12-21 19:16:50	mpickering	It looks like it is for making a repl outside a project
2019-12-21 19:17:17	mpickering	yeah it's implemented by the same person
2019-12-21 19:17:26	mpickering	either way the patch looks not too hard to me
2019-12-21 19:32:18	lukelau	wz1000: dang i was just working on type safe wrappers for haskell0lsp
2019-12-21 19:32:45	lukelau	is this PR targetting haskell-lsp-types too?
2019-12-21 19:36:42	lukelau	wz1000: https://gist.github.com/1288ce29267c74ec5600f7c994080dee
2019-12-21 19:37:03	lukelau	My approach was to convert the wrappers in Language.Haskell.LSP.Messages into GADTs
2019-12-21 19:37:18	lukelau	And I have a bit of template haskell to generate the toJSON instances
2019-12-21 19:38:31	lukelau	The nice thing about this is that you can now write functions of the type `Message (‘Request r) ‘FromClient -> a` or whatever, and GHC will warn you about any unhandled pattern matches, but only for those from client request constructors
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2019-12-21 20:23:19	mpickering	Sounds similar
2019-12-21 20:32:08	wz1000	lukelau: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-lsp/tree/singleton-methods
2019-12-21 20:32:32	wz1000	this is the branch I'm working off
2019-12-21 20:33:32	wz1000	I removed LSP.Messages
2019-12-21 20:33:34	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-lsp/blob/9335fcc539c609c10a9731d9d030b02de8eac94b/haskell-lsp-types/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Types/Types.hs
2019-12-21 20:33:44	wz1000	I use a type family approach
2019-12-21 20:34:44	wz1000	where the type family is parametrised by the name of the method and picks the request/notification/response parameters based on that
2019-12-21 20:36:06	wz1000	so sendRequest from lsp-test will have type SClientMethod m -> ClientMessage m -> Session LspId
2019-12-21 20:36:26	wz1000	where the type family ensures that ClientMessage m is of exactly the right shape
2019-12-21 20:48:13	wz1000	no need to define wrappers
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2019-12-22 02:43:54	mpickering	Do we support 8.2.2 in HIE yet?
2019-12-22 02:44:00	mpickering	*still
2019-12-22 03:41:47	lukelau	mpickering: no
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2019-12-22 03:43:52	lukelau	wz1000: that seems good
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2019-12-22 03:46:22	lukelau	I think I prefer this method of getting rid of LSP.Messages entirely. The wrappers get kind of confusing
2019-12-22 03:46:29	lukelau	What does the S stand for in SClientMethod?
2019-12-22 03:49:07	lukelau	And how does it differ from ClientMethod?
2019-12-22 03:51:09	lukelau	Also will it be possible to get rid of this boilerplate? https://github.com/bubba/lsp-test/blob/4c6cc8593438b195326ef99cc8d8d33030b1b4d6/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Test/Messages.hs#L8-L33
2019-12-22 04:36:10	mpickering	lukelau: ormulu does not support fragments
2019-12-22 04:36:27	mpickering	The author of that pr made an issue about it
2019-12-22 04:36:34	mpickering	On the ormulu issue tracker
2019-12-22 04:37:18	lukelau	mpickering: ah fair enough then
2019-12-22 04:38:20	mpickering	Are you coming to the Bristol Hackathon lukelau ?
2019-12-22 04:38:41	lukelau	I was not aware of it no
2019-12-22 04:39:04	mpickering	I don't think I have advertised it very well..
2019-12-22 04:39:10	mpickering	Details on my website
2019-12-22 04:39:22	lukelau	I’ll check it out!
2019-12-22 04:39:43	lukelau	By the way I’m trying to revive the remove json transport PR
2019-12-22 04:39:55	mpickering	Ok sounds good
2019-12-22 04:40:10	mpickering	Not sure that code has been used in a long time
2019-12-22 04:40:37	lukelau	It was pretty satisfying the first time, +538,-1599 diff
2019-12-22 04:41:07	lukelau	I don’t think I’ll be able to make it to the hackathon by the way sorry. But I’ll see you in Belgium!
2019-12-22 04:44:29	infinisil	I haven't been to many hackathons, but in all of them I was very unproductive
2019-12-22 04:44:58	infinisil	No idea how other people do it
2019-12-22 04:47:32	mpickering	infinisil: by unproductive do you mean you have just talked to people?
2019-12-22 04:47:44	mpickering	If so, that's the whole point :)
2019-12-22 04:48:07	infinisil	Talking with people, not knowing what to do, the environment being too loud to do anything
2019-12-22 04:49:13	infinisil	I'm usually most productive when it's evening/night by myself with nobody interrupting
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2019-12-22 12:05:11	wz1000	lukelau: yes, it does get rid of that boilerplate
2019-12-22 12:06:55	wz1000	SClientMethod is a singleton for the ClientMethod type, so that values of SClientMethod uniquely identify the phantom type parameter that represents the ClientMethod
2019-12-22 12:06:58	wz1000	see https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-lsp/blob/9335fcc539c609c10a9731d9d030b02de8eac94b/haskell-lsp-types/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Types/Message.hs#L134
2019-12-22 12:08:04	wz1000	https://cs.brynmawr.edu/~rae/papers/2012/singletons/paper.pdf
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2019-12-22 18:31:32	alanz	I think appveyor is not happy with force-pushes, going to land #1487 and see what happens
2019-12-22 19:22:43	alanz	and now we only need cabal-helper on hackage, and we can put hie there too
2019-12-22 19:25:20	lukelau	alanz: should I create a new PR for https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1489 or just force push?
2019-12-22 19:25:32	lukelau	to split it up
2019-12-22 19:26:59	lukelau	I’m not sure what happens to the old review comments if I force push
2019-12-22 19:33:25	dxld	lukelau: should be preserved, at least in the discussion view
2019-12-22 19:43:24	lukelau	dxld: phew
2019-12-22 19:51:14	fenedor	alanz, when do we want to do the next release? New year?
2019-12-22 19:52:55	fenedor	when we are going to hackage, we need to update our installation methods so that users can install from hacakge, too
2019-12-22 19:56:48	alanz	fenedor, the next release would normally be first few days of Jan
2019-12-22 19:57:30	alanz	I think we should stick to that schedule, and point out to people that they can use the older version if the hie-bios version has a problem for them
2019-12-22 19:57:55	alanz	so we have around ten days to stabilise things. modulo the holiday period
2019-12-22 19:58:31	fenedor	ok, is it fine if I do some "sprint" planning? Stuff I think make sense to implement before the next release if possible, with no obligations, of course
2019-12-22 19:58:33	lukelau	fenedor: are we not still blocked by c-h
2019-12-22 19:58:56	lukelau	alanz fenedor do we still do the milestone thing with issues?
2019-12-22 19:58:58	fenedor	lukelau, yeah, but I dont expect for long since dxld said once that he is fine with a point release once we ask for it.
2019-12-22 19:59:09	lukelau	awesome
2019-12-22 19:59:15	alanz	lukelau, fyi I have started using "git push --force-with-lease", which check that your branch is up to date with the one you are pushing to first
2019-12-22 19:59:29	fenedor	lukelau, yes, I would like to add another milestone and assign issues to that milestone
2019-12-22 19:59:37	alanz	lukelau, no, planning issues at milestone level did not work when I was doing it
2019-12-22 19:59:49	alanz	and it just put a lot of noise into the issue tracker
2019-12-22 19:59:50	lukelau	huh i noticed that whenever i tab completed `—force`, always wondered what it does
2019-12-22 20:00:29	alanz	fenedor, you have a good handle on planning, so if you want to add milestones, or take control of the milestones, I am fine with it
2019-12-22 20:00:33	lukelau	the projects board on github would probably be more suitable for this
2019-12-22 20:00:48	alanz	BUT, we need to do a monthly rythm for our releases
2019-12-22 20:01:24	fenedor	alanz, we can adhere to the monthly release schedule, I think it is a good idea
2019-12-22 20:01:41	alanz	agree, good
2019-12-22 20:02:55	lukelau	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/projects/2
2019-12-22 20:03:32	lukelau	by the way fenedor are there any issues in mpickering’s hie fork you want to move over to the main repo?
2019-12-22 20:03:54	fenedor	I am not sure if what I am thinking about to do is really a good idea. But we can try it a for a month and if it doesnt work, we can stop again
2019-12-22 20:04:15	alanz	lukelau, you can take over projects/1, it was never used for anything. And rather have one only
2019-12-22 20:04:27	alanz	never mind, i see it is closed
2019-12-22 20:04:47	lukelau	Are projects not like a transient/sprint type thing?
2019-12-22 20:04:58	alanz	fenedor, sounds like a plan. We can never improve the process if we don't experiment
2019-12-22 20:05:02	fenedor	lukelau, yeah, I think almost all of them are interesting to have. Some of them are very vague, though
2019-12-22 20:06:04	alanz	lukelau, in terms of naming, the scheme I have been using is that it would be the Dec 2019 release. i.e. the work done in Dec 2019 is made available
2019-12-22 20:06:35	lukelau	alanz: ah ok, renamed
2019-12-22 20:06:49	alanz	thanks
2019-12-22 20:06:53	lukelau	I swear I thought there used to be some sort of integration with issue milestones + projects?
2019-12-22 20:07:09	fenedor	lukelau, I like the projects. You think people are looking at them if they want to help?
2019-12-22 20:07:39	lukelau	fenedor. There’s also the help wanted tag
2019-12-22 20:07:53	lukelau	Which sometimes gets linked to in haskell weekly
2019-12-22 20:08:15	lukelau	It’s also good to know what exactly everyone is working on so there’s no duplicated effort etc.
2019-12-22 20:08:42	fenedor	how is the help-wanted tag differnent to good-first-issue? Or does help-wanted mean, please someone do that?
2019-12-22 20:08:51	fenedor	*different
2019-12-22 20:10:30	alanz	help-wanted is any difficulty level, good-first-issue is stuff that someone can do as a training-wheels PR, to get some confidence in working with the code
2019-12-22 20:10:42	alanz	is how I interpret those
2019-12-22 20:10:54	lukelau	same
2019-12-22 20:11:19	fenedor	ok... so, actually, almost all our issues should have the `help-wanted` tag?
2019-12-22 20:15:14	lukelau	fenedor: if you look it at that way, then yes 😛 
2019-12-22 20:16:03	fenedor	It just feels like this makes it a bit superfluous.
2019-12-22 20:17:01	lukelau	Originally we used it for things that we were specifically looking for outside help
2019-12-22 20:17:05	lukelau	e.g. stuff to do with windows
2019-12-22 20:17:41	fenedor	mhm, makes sense. 
2019-12-22 20:17:56	lukelau	by the way, we should probably turn on auto-cancellation of builds on circleci
2019-12-22 20:18:03	fenedor	A question to the project view, how is it decided which pr lands in "In progress" and which in "To do"?
2019-12-22 20:18:15	fenedor	I see
2019-12-22 20:18:35	fenedor	I take back the question ;D 
2019-12-22 20:18:59	lukelau	move in whatever issues you want to get done before the next release
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2019-12-22 20:19:45	fenedor	ok, makes sense, thank you! 
2019-12-22 20:19:47	fenedor	now I got it
2019-12-22 20:20:53	fenedor	ok, as soon as I finished my cantuccini, Ill open some issues and move them to the project. for now, only when I know someone wants to work on them
2019-12-22 20:21:31	fenedor	s/when I know/when someone knows that/
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2019-12-22 20:27:00	lukelau	fenedor: enjoy!
2019-12-22 20:27:00	lukelau	fenedor: enjoy!
2019-12-22 20:27:18	fenedor	thanks :)
2019-12-22 20:33:52	dxld	lukelau: btw, did you register for zurihac yet? :)
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2019-12-22 22:01:43	lukelau	dxld: ah not yet, doing it now
2019-12-22 22:21:34	fendoer	does anybody think it makes sense to add closed issues to the project retrospectively?
2019-12-22 22:21:53	fendoer	kind of helps the changelog, but also somewhat superfluous
2019-12-22 22:22:50	Rembane	Can you add it to the changelog without creating issues? 
2019-12-22 22:24:13	fendoer	yeah
2019-12-22 22:24:18	fendoer	I think so
2019-12-22 22:24:31	fendoer	I think it does not make sense
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2019-12-23 05:04:12	alanz	lukelau, We are going to break every client out there. We need to add "--lsp" back as an option, that does nothing
2019-12-23 05:04:49	alanz	e.g.  I can't run the emacs-lsp version. And we need a transition period
2019-12-23 05:07:14	alanz	I am making a PR
2019-12-23 05:24:35	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1494
2019-12-23 06:52:29	lukelau	alanz: good catch. we should probably start emitting warnings about that
2019-12-23 07:29:06	alanz	lukelau: I landed a commit to put the option back, not doing anything with it. So it now works again for me
2019-12-23 07:29:55	lukelau	alanz: is lsp-mode-haskell the package responsible for launching hie?
2019-12-23 07:30:18	lukelau	sorry, lsp-mode?
2019-12-23 07:30:21	lukelau	*lsp-haskell
2019-12-23 07:30:30	lukelau	bleh its too late
2019-12-23 07:30:43	lukelau	wait aren’t you in the gmt zone as well now?
2019-12-23 07:36:48	alanz	lukelau: lsp-mode uses lsp-haskell to launch it. I need to fix it to not have the param, but have been doing this with one eye while watching a movie
2019-12-23 07:37:38	alanz	Will sort it and vscode-hie-whatever in the next day or so. The urgency has been removed, at least
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2019-12-23 20:13:52	mpickering	fendor: Why does the GHC thread start before we know the libdir?
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2019-12-23 20:14:18	mpickering	shouldn't we start it later on once we know the right context?
2019-12-23 20:14:36	fenedor	mpickering, we only know the libdir for a project, once we have established the project context
2019-12-23 20:14:48	fenedor	which happens on file loadm but we start the ghc thread on startup
2019-12-23 20:16:15	mpickering	yeah but why start the thread on startup when you don't know the context yet
2019-12-23 20:17:15	fenedor	I suppose the architecture is not meant to start that thread from an lsp request? ghcide does it similar, but depends on ghc-paths
2019-12-23 20:17:18	fenedor	here it happens: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Scheduler.hs#L161
2019-12-23 20:30:02	fenedor	side question, why is the libdir needed, or what does it do?
2019-12-23 20:31:22	mpickering	It's the location where the built-in packages live
2019-12-23 20:31:33	mpickering	like `ghc` library, `template-haskell` etc
2019-12-23 20:31:46	mpickering	Also where the `settings` file is
2019-12-23 20:32:21	fenedor	ah, so we do need it
2019-12-23 20:32:49	mpickering	yeah it's also why using `ghc-paths` is wrong
2019-12-23 20:33:05	mpickering	as it bakes it in at compile time
2019-12-23 20:33:56	fenedor	it would be fine if we didnt care about relocatable binaries, right? 
2019-12-23 20:35:34	fenedor	i mean, ghcide does it, too
2019-12-23 20:35:44	mpickering	it uses ghc-paths?
2019-12-23 20:35:49	fenedor	yeah
2019-12-23 20:36:01	fenedor	https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/blob/master/exe/Main.hs#L168
2019-12-23 20:36:03	mpickering	perhaps we should just use it
2019-12-23 20:36:21	mpickering	don't they have some special treatment for nix though?
2019-12-23 20:36:23	fenedor	https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/blob/master/exe/Main.hs#L53
2019-12-23 20:36:27	fenedor	yeah, lookup in the env
2019-12-23 20:36:31	mpickering	because the nix version of ghc is wrapped with a wrapper which passes `-B`
2019-12-23 20:36:42	mpickering	which is why using ghc-paths is wrong...
2019-12-23 20:36:57	mpickering	for example as well, if you compile hie with normal system ghc
2019-12-23 20:37:10	mpickering	but they start using stack, you could get a subtle bug where you use the wrong libdir
2019-12-23 20:38:38	fenedor	I thought, we could do something similar to `ghc --print-libdir` but base the path to `ghc` on the cradle to use.
2019-12-23 20:42:06	fenedor	e.g. if stack cradle use `stack ghc -- --print-libdir` and if cabal `cabal v2-exec ghc -- --print-libdir`
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2019-12-23 23:24:38	alanz	btw, I saw a bug report today with ghcde output in it.  If you run ghcide in a project, not as an lsp server, it gives very good feedback as to what it is considering for finding the cradle
2019-12-23 23:25:29	alanz	e.g. https://github.com/unisonweb/unison/pull/1091#issuecomment-568342621
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2019-12-23 23:41:37	fenedor	alanz, I think https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1412 is meant to do that
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2019-12-24 00:26:49	alanz	fenedor, thanks, I do recall it being mentioned, did not realise there was a PR. Great.
2019-12-24 00:30:33	alanz	ah, not a PR, just an issue. Still something worth doing
2019-12-24 00:42:55	fenedor	Sorry, so far just an issue :(
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2019-12-24 00:52:36	kmelvn__	upgraded to latest HIE and it's trying to build my project with cabal, instead of stack. any ideas where to look? (haven't changed anything else in vscode, or my project setup)
2019-12-24 00:53:26	kmelvn__	and now there's this error: hie-8.6.5: ghc: readCreateProcess: runInteractiveProcess: exec: does not exist (No such file or directory)
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2019-12-24 01:27:32	alanz	kmelvn__, put a file called hie.yaml in the root of your project, with contents "cradle:\n   stack:\n"
2019-12-24 01:35:42	kmelvn__	doesn't help, it still tries to run 'ghc' and not with stack
2019-12-24 01:35:57	kmelvn__	my stack project is a multi-project one, maybe that messes it up?
2019-12-24 01:43:16	mpickering	kmelvn__: What does "latest" mean?
2019-12-24 01:43:48	mpickering	alanz: Perhaps this is the same libdir issue?
2019-12-24 01:43:56	kmelvn__	pulled from master, half an hour ago!
2019-12-24 01:44:08	mpickering	One solution here is to use `stack exec hie` 
2019-12-24 01:44:16	mpickering	I think
2019-12-24 01:44:33	kmelvn__	commit: 7e688322a
2019-12-24 01:46:15	mpickering	So modify your client to run `hie` in the environment created by `stack exec`
2019-12-24 01:46:20	mpickering	and see if that works
2019-12-24 01:48:10	kmelvn__	can i do `stack exec hie-wrapper`?
2019-12-24 01:48:20	kmelvn__	well, nvm, I'm only using one ghc version currently...
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2019-12-24 01:52:06	kmelvn__	nvm guys, thanks for the help - for the time being I'll use the older version ... if the problem persist I'll try to create a small exapmle and post the errors
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2019-12-24 21:04:17	lukelau	dxld: for c-h, is the unitInfo query supposed to build anything?
2019-12-24 21:25:06	fenedor	lukelau, yeah, the dependencies of the unit, afaik
2019-12-24 21:28:26	lukelau	do you know if its possible to just get it to configure it?
2019-12-24 21:36:14	dxld	lukelau: to configure what?
2019-12-24 21:37:13	dxld	I mean the unitiInfo query does what it needs to do to get you the info you're requesting
2019-12-24 21:37:32	dxld	which includes building the unit's dependencies and configuring the unit
2019-12-24 21:37:42	dxld	so I'm not really sure what you're asking?
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2019-12-24 21:44:37	reactormonk	I've got a multiproject with 100% stack. HIE refuses to start by saying "version mismatch: No System GHC found va. HIE 8.6.4" - the project uses GHC 8.6.4 according to the stack version.
2019-12-24 21:44:55	lukelau	dxld: trying to query the unit info for a component where one of its dependencies fails to builds, fails
2019-12-24 21:45:11	reactormonk	Mismatching GHC versions: Multi Component project is No System GHC found, HIE is 8.6.4 You may want to use hie-wrapper.
2019-12-24 21:45:24	lukelau	i’m trying to figure out this https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1497
2019-12-24 21:45:43	lukelau	but the manually specified hie-bios cabal cradle can handle this ok somehow
2019-12-24 21:45:52	reactormonk	I hardcoded the hie executable to 8.6.4 in the workspace config for vscode
2019-12-24 21:46:30	lukelau	reactormonk: are you running into this? https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/60
2019-12-24 21:47:09	dxld	lukelau: right, IIRC the only sane way to handle that sort of thing is good caching like ghcide does
2019-12-24 21:47:27	dxld	i.e. not throwing results away until they are really superceded by a sucessful update
2019-12-24 21:48:05	dxld	I thought about this case a bit in the past tough, maybe I'm forgetting something
2019-12-24 21:48:17	reactormonk	lukelau, kinda hidden because multiproject, but maybe
2019-12-24 21:49:26	fenedor	reactormonk, issue is https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1495
2019-12-24 21:50:01	dxld	lukelau: I have to go to do xmas things with family, let's talk about this later though -- I'm sure there's something we can do to better handle this case we just need to think it through
2019-12-24 21:50:09	reactormonk	Aye, so as a workaround, put the current ghc on path
2019-12-24 21:50:31	fenedor	reactormonk, you are running into a different problem, if you have multi-project, hie-bios currently can not tell us which build tool to use
2019-12-24 21:50:45	reactormonk	fenedor, I did give it a rather extensive hie.yaml
2019-12-24 21:50:45	fenedor	reactormonk, hie should work as normal though atm, right?
2019-12-24 21:50:50	reactormonk	So I hope that's fine?
2019-12-24 21:50:57	reactormonk	Yeap, works now.
2019-12-24 21:51:10	fenedor	reactormonk, yeah, it is, but the support for it is broken
2019-12-24 21:51:33	fenedor	real issue is https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1490
2019-12-24 21:51:46	lukelau	dxld: of course, happy xmas! 
2019-12-24 21:51:56	fenedor	I am sorry, but I will only get to fix this after christmas :(
2019-12-24 21:52:44	reactormonk	fenedor, I put the correct ghc version on PATH for the editor, so I guess that'll make it work
2019-12-24 21:53:03	fenedor	reactormonk, yeah, that is the work around, but we want to fix this before the next release
2019-12-24 21:53:28	reactormonk	fenedor, I'm happy enough with the workaround for now, thanks :-)
2019-12-24 21:53:42	dxld	lukelau: if you haven't seen neil's ghcide talk at munihac you should go watch it
2019-12-24 21:54:01	dxld	their shake based caching is very relevant to this problem
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2019-12-25 03:12:20	fenedor	Merry xmas everyone! Or happy holiday at least!
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2019-12-25 04:09:58	lukelau	fenedor: merry xmas. hope everyone enjoys some time off!
2019-12-25 04:10:42	mpickering	time off = time spent programming in python for me!
2019-12-25 04:12:14	mpickering	unfortunately I just discovered that selenium works with one nixpkgs commit but is broken by a more recent one
2019-12-25 04:13:16	infinisil	mpickering: Do you enjoy python?
2019-12-25 04:13:35	infinisil	I personally had to use it a couple times, and I hated every second of it, the dynamic nature of it ticks me off
2019-12-25 04:13:39	mpickering	I enjoy not having to write libraries for everything
2019-12-25 04:13:49	mpickering	but don't enjoy how broken all the libraries are
2019-12-25 04:13:54	infinisil	Hehe
2019-12-25 04:14:26	lukelau	mpickering: is there a webdriver library instead?
2019-12-25 04:14:41	mpickering	for?
2019-12-25 04:15:09	mpickering	The history of this is that I used to pin the nixpkgs version to something from 2014 just to get selenium to work lol
2019-12-25 04:15:25	mpickering	then I updated it last week but it works from a 2018 pin but not a recent 2019 pin
2019-12-25 04:15:32	mpickering	it's pretty brittle
2019-12-25 04:27:13	lukelau	i never understood the difference between selenium+webdriver
2019-12-25 04:30:53	mpickering	I am wondering if it's something to do with my firefox version being too new
2019-12-25 04:31:04	mpickering	but documentation claims 0.22 should work with firefox 69
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2019-12-27 00:15:20	mpickering	infinisil: Python is not actually good is it
2019-12-27 00:15:40	mpickering	It is so easy to end up with things of the wrong type 
2019-12-27 00:22:49	mpickering	A problem is though that defining a new class requires writing a lot of boilerplate
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2019-12-27 17:07:46	fenedor	lukelau, can you remember in the test-case https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/test/functional/HieBiosSpec.hs#L24 what is generating the message "Couldn't parse hie.yaml"?
2019-12-27 17:08:25	fenedor	wait, sorry, git blame says I should ask jneira 
2019-12-27 17:24:36	fenedor	found it... why isnt this triggered...
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2019-12-27 18:11:58	reactormonk	Gotta say 0.3 feels way more stable than the previous versions. <3
2019-12-27 18:38:18	lukelau	fenedor: its a `catch` somewhere inside Ghc.hs I believe
2019-12-27 18:38:27	lukelau	Or ModuleCache.hs
2019-12-27 18:38:32	fenedor	Yeah, in moduleCache
2019-12-27 18:38:34	lukelau	that catches yamlparseexceptions
2019-12-27 18:38:49	fenedor	it isnt triggered in the tests but if I open vscode manually, I see the error message
2019-12-27 18:39:01	lukelau	the error message?
2019-12-27 18:40:01	lukelau	like that test case is failing?
2019-12-27 18:41:24	fenedor	yes
2019-12-27 18:41:41	fenedor	the test-case is failing, but in manual tests, it is as expected
2019-12-27 18:50:36	lukelau	what does it show with LSP_TEST_LOG_MESSAGES=1 LSP_TEST_LOG_STDERR=1 set?
2019-12-27 18:51:45	fenedor	will try after I am done rebasing
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2019-12-27 19:51:29	alanz	fenedor, fyi I am trying a build with the cabal-helper release candidate
2019-12-27 19:52:20	fenedor	alanz, thanks! I am currently tending https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1496 and https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1490
2019-12-27 19:52:50	alanz	ok, good
2019-12-27 19:53:06	fenedor	which I consider very important before the next release.
2019-12-27 19:53:30	alanz	agree
2019-12-27 19:53:51	polyphem	does hie incorporate ghcmod , and is it possible like with ghcmod to insert type-sigs for toplevel functions , i am using hie with neovim and coc on debian 
2019-12-27 19:54:42	fenedor	polyphem, hie does no longer incoprporate ghcmod
2019-12-27 19:54:56	fenedor	and there is a function to insert top-levl type-sigs
2019-12-27 19:55:45	polyphem	fendor:  so i have to configure coc to send that command to the language server , right
2019-12-27 19:55:55	fenedor	uff, no idea about coc
2019-12-27 19:56:11	fenedor	do you have to configure that yourself...
2019-12-27 19:57:19	polyphem	coc is the vim module for using lsp ; you have to configure bindings in vim to use lsp features ... 
2019-12-27 19:57:46	polyphem	never mind , i keep looking ... thanks
2019-12-27 19:58:20	alanz	The best solution is to have this explicitly in hie, as a code action. That way it is tested during dev, and is available for all clients
2019-12-27 19:59:00	fenedor	alanz, that would be very nice indeed. I think there actually is some, but it was provided by ghc-mod
2019-12-27 19:59:43	alanz	I thought we moved that stuff into hie, as part of moving ghc-mod out. i.e., to my mind we did not lose any functionality, except the module graph
2019-12-27 20:00:45	fenedor	not sure. I also cant find the function for it anymore
2019-12-27 20:01:55	alanz	ok, damn
2019-12-27 20:02:09	alanz	we need to add that to the list of things to be restore
2019-12-27 20:02:10	alanz	d
2019-12-27 20:02:56	fenedor	added to my list
2019-12-27 20:03:15	fenedor	https://hackmd.io/@H5m3j9VQRsiiBdVxBmOCiA/H10zIK9CB/edit
2019-12-27 20:05:32	alanz	thanks
2019-12-27 20:05:54	fenedor	mpickering, in hie-bios would you rather expose `is*Cradle` predicates or the ConfigTypes via `Cradle`?
2019-12-27 20:07:42	fenedor	pro for predicates: well-defined interface
2019-12-27 20:07:53	fenedor	pro for configTypes, exhaustive pattern match
2019-12-27 20:50:12	jneira	fendor: sorry i just read your ping
2019-12-27 20:51:21	jneira	i am trying to leverage azure ci builds: make them pass all test suites and publish executables (adding them to github releases if possible)
2019-12-27 20:52:12	fenedor	jneira, no worries, I worked around it
2019-12-27 20:52:32	fenedor	jneira, publishing executables cant succeed until we resolve the hlint data-files
2019-12-27 20:52:40	jneira	otoh i am working to improve install, making cabal not depending on stack (adding a `--installdir` option to build)
2019-12-27 20:54:28	fenedor	that is great!
2019-12-27 20:54:29	jneira	yeah, i know but i wanted to go forward in the ci step (adding the hlint data file is doable manually as a workaround)
2019-12-27 20:54:40	fenedor	yeah, true.
2019-12-27 20:55:47	jneira	not sure it they are the most urgent issues though :-/
2019-12-27 20:57:06	fenedor	packaging hie is definitely a big issue and improving installation process as well
2019-12-27 20:57:24	jneira	but we should add azure as ci in github, do we know at least who has permissions to do it?
2019-12-27 21:07:25	fenedor	i dont
2019-12-27 21:14:06	jneira	mmm weird, i thought at least alanz should have them
2019-12-27 21:14:43	jneira	maybe only spj? :-P
2019-12-27 21:15:30	fenedor	probably hvr or people from cabal
2019-12-27 21:15:44	fenedor	so, currently mainly phadej? :D 
2019-12-27 21:15:57	fenedor	and dxld, maybe
2019-12-27 21:20:39	dxld	hm?
2019-12-27 21:24:46	fenedor	dxld, sorry, that was unintentional. We were just wondering who can enable CI for haskell organization projects
2019-12-27 21:25:04	fenedor	since we want to add azure to haskell-ide-engine
2019-12-27 21:28:16	dxld	well I don't :)
2019-12-27 21:29:02	fenedor	:(
2019-12-27 21:31:44	fenedor	do you know who does?
2019-12-27 21:32:41	dxld	no
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2019-12-27 23:25:20	alanz	Do we need the hlint.yml file?
2019-12-27 23:27:43	fenedor	alanz, what hlint.yaml?
2019-12-27 23:28:47	pretomanid	I am trying to use lsp for spacemacs auto-completion. It seems like I successfully installed lsp. But the auto-complete does not work...
2019-12-27 23:28:59	alanz	the talk about finding hlint data files, when installing the exe only
2019-12-27 23:29:56	fenedor	alanz, oh yeah, we need those to make hlint work
2019-12-27 23:30:04	pretomanid	my emacs said "LSP :: hie:15587 initialized successfully"
2019-12-27 23:39:13	fenedor	pretomanid, what do the logs say?
2019-12-27 23:40:28	pretomanid	I did not see any errors. which logs?
2019-12-27 23:41:08	fenedor	logs generated by the server. 
2019-12-27 23:41:17	fenedor	I dont know how to access them in emacs
2019-12-27 23:41:24	fenedor	or spacemacs
2019-12-27 23:41:45	pretomanid	uhh...I don't know either...
2019-12-27 23:43:27	pretomanid	I tried the rename function. Here is the error logs: 
2019-12-27 23:43:53	pretomanid	capability not supported by the language server: "renameProvider"
2019-12-27 23:51:35	fenedor	yeah, rename is currently not supported
2019-12-27 23:51:36	fenedor	afaik
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2019-12-28 00:03:14	pretomanid	Oh I know where is the logs!
2019-12-28 00:04:07	pretomanid	2019-12-27 12:32:42.582214196 [ThreadId 10] - ****** reactor: top of loop
2019-12-28 00:04:07	pretomanid	2019-12-27 12:32:42.586453342 [ThreadId 4] - ---> {"jsonrpc":"2.0","method":"textDocument/completion","params":{"textDocument":{"uri":"file:///home/ryan/hs/hello/src/Main.hs"},"position":{"line":6,"character":9},"context":{"triggerKind":1}},"id":151}
2019-12-28 00:04:07	pretomanid	 
2019-12-28 00:04:07	pretomanid	2019-12-27 12:32:42.587007996 [ThreadId 10] - ****** reactor: got message number:101
2019-12-28 00:04:10	pretomanid	2019-12-27 12:32:42.587222027 [ThreadId 10] - reactor:got CompletionRequest:RequestMessage {_jsonrpc = "2.0", _id = IdInt 151, _method = TextDocumentCompletion, _params = CompletionParams {_textDocument = TextDocumentIdentifier {_uri = Uri {getUri = "file:///home/ryan/hs/hello/src/Main.hs"}}, _position = Position {_line = 6, _character = 9}, _context = Just (CompletionContext {_triggerKind = CtInv
2019-12-28 00:04:13	pretomanid	_workDoneToken = Nothing}}
2019-12-28 00:04:16	pretomanid	2019-12-27 12:32:42.588055541 [ThreadId 10] - ****** reactor: top of loop
2019-12-28 00:04:19	pretomanid	2019-12-27 12:32:42.724929338 [ThreadId 6] - requestDiagnostics: no diagFunc for:DiagnosticOnChange
2019-12-28 00:04:23	pretomanid	2019-12-27 12:32:45.595533769 [ThreadId 4] - ---> {"jsonrpc":"2.0","method":"textDocument/codeAction","params":{"textDocument":{"uri":"file:///home/ryan/hs/hello/src/Main.hs"},"range":{"start":{"line":6,"character":9},"end":{"line":6,"character":9}},"context":{"diagnostics":[]}},"id":152}
2019-12-28 00:04:26	pretomanid	 
2019-12-28 00:04:28	pretomanid	2019-12-27 12:32:45.596542565 [ThreadId 10] - ****** reactor: got message number:102
2019-12-28 00:04:31	pretomanid	2019-12-27 12:32:45.596841655 [ThreadId 10] - reactor:got CodeActionRequest:RequestMessage {_jsonrpc = "2.0", _id = IdInt 152, _method = TextDocumentCodeAction, _params = CodeActionParams {_textDocument = TextDocumentIdentifier {_uri = Uri {getUri = "file:///home/ryan/hs/hello/src/Main.hs"}}, _range = Range {_start = Position {_line = 6, _character = 9}, _end = Position {_line = 6, _character = 9}
2019-12-28 00:04:34	pretomanid	{_diagnostics = List [], only = Nothing}, _workDoneToken = Nothing}}
2019-12-28 00:04:37	pretomanid	2019-12-27 12:32:45.59720368 [ThreadId 10] - ****** reactor: top of loop
2019-12-28 00:04:41	pretomanid	 
2019-12-28 00:05:16	pretomanid	these are part of the logs. At that time I was typing "putS" and hope it will call autocomplete
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2019-12-28 00:30:15	fenedor	can you link them via pastebin, please?
2019-12-28 00:30:33	fenedor	or idk, maybe you need to do some additional set-up...
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2019-12-28 00:53:27	pretomanid	Sorry
2019-12-28 00:53:30	pretomanid	https://pastebin.com/sEcaBCZU
2019-12-28 00:55:14	pretomanid	my set-up: (auto-completion (haskell :variables haskell-completion-backend 'lsp))
2019-12-28 00:55:14	pretomanid	 
2019-12-28 00:59:50	fenedor	pretomanid, do you have diagnostics on typing?
2019-12-28 01:05:41	fenedor	pretomanid, I think hie is crashing in some very subtle manor
2019-12-28 01:07:45	pretomanid	yes, no error really confuses me
2019-12-28 01:08:25	fenedor	there is never a mention of the ghcdispatcher... Which indicates for me that it immediately crashes
2019-12-28 01:08:35	fenedor	do you have ghc on the path? 
2019-12-28 01:10:08	pretomanid	no...I have stack
2019-12-28 01:10:15	fenedor	so, no ghc on the path?
2019-12-28 01:10:26	fenedor	ghc --version does not work?
2019-12-28 01:10:49	pretomanid	no ghc on the path!
2019-12-28 01:11:00	fenedor	ok, then that is the problem
2019-12-28 01:11:25	fenedor	Pr to fix this: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1496 and the issue https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1495
2019-12-28 01:11:54	pretomanid	Cool! I'll try!
2019-12-28 01:11:59	fenedor	work-around: put the appropriate ghc on the path or wait for me to fix it :)
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2019-12-28 03:17:06	pretomanid	vscode is far easier than emacs. hie works perfectly for vscode! thank you
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2019-12-28 03:46:13	DavSanchez	Hi guys! A (noob) doubt here...
2019-12-28 03:46:49	DavSanchez	The CI tests are failing for the following code:
2019-12-28 03:47:03	DavSanchez	provider :: FormattingProvider
2019-12-28 03:47:04	DavSanchez	provider contents _uri typ _opts = do
2019-12-28 03:47:04	DavSanchez	  errorM "hie" "This version of HIE does not support Ormolu as a formatter"
2019-12-28 03:47:05	DavSanchez	  case typ of 
2019-12-28 03:47:08	DavSanchez	    FormatRange _ -> return $ IdeResultFail (IdeError PluginError (pack "Selection formatting for Ormolu is not currently supported.") Null)
2019-12-28 03:47:09	DavSanchez	    FormatText -> return $ IdeResultOk []
2019-12-28 03:47:47	DavSanchez	it complains on the errorM line, since apparently the function returns there and ignores the rest
2019-12-28 03:48:03	DavSanchez	see here for details: https://circleci.com/gh/DavSanchez/haskell-ide-engine/222?utm_campaign=vcs-integration-link&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=github-build-link
2019-12-28 03:48:48	DavSanchez	is that normal? can't I use a IO action anywhere in a function and continue after that?
2019-12-28 03:49:18	DavSanchez	or does errorM imply a function "return"?
2019-12-28 03:49:53	DavSanchez	sorry for the bad formatting when pasting the code btw, I got confused with my irc client lol
2019-12-28 03:56:39	fendoer	DavSanchez, Hi! nice to see you here! I think the problem is you are using the functions from System.Log.Logger, but we have some specialized functions PluginUtils or something
2019-12-28 03:56:48	fendoer	tldr, I think using errorm would solve it
2019-12-28 03:56:58	fendoer	similar to logm, debugm, etc...
2019-12-28 03:57:20	fendoer	or: use liftIO to lift the IO action into our monad stack
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2019-12-28 04:33:07	DavSanchez	Hi @fendoer, but doing that would prevent the function to reaching the case statements below?
2019-12-28 04:33:38	fendoer	no, `errorm` is just a log statement, maybe you are confusing it with `error`?
2019-12-28 04:39:35	DavSanchez	Ah, I think I am confused with some monad-related things here, like what is the specific reason for System.Log.Logger.errorM to not work in this scenario
2019-12-28 04:42:31	fendoer	DavSanchez, the signaure of errorM: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/hslogger-1.3.1.0/docs/System-Log-Logger.html#v:errorM. You are not in the IO monad though but in the IdeGhcM monad, a monad that has access to IO but is not the IO monad
2019-12-28 04:42:55	fendoer	you could also fix it, by prepending the statement with `liftIO` which lifts the IO statements into our own monad
2019-12-28 04:43:09	DavSanchez	yes, I encountered a similar issue while coding the first part of my PR
2019-12-28 04:43:13	fendoer	in our IdeGhcM monad, we have access to the caching system and to ghc
2019-12-28 04:43:47	DavSanchez	I guess I'm still in the C-like programming mindset, in which I can use some "printf" or some "console.log" independent of the function's return type
2019-12-28 04:44:09	fendoer	yeah, that is reasonable but unfortunately not the case :/ 
2019-12-28 04:44:21	fendoer	See here https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/MonadFunctions.hs#L40 for the actual implementation of errorm
2019-12-28 04:44:40	fendoer	I have actually no clue why errorm is using warning, though
2019-12-28 04:44:45	fendoer	*warningM
2019-12-28 04:46:31	DavSanchez	ah yes, looks like some copypaste slip
2019-12-28 04:46:53	DavSanchez	should we "fix" it in a PR?
2019-12-28 04:47:45	fendoer	yeah. maybe there is a reason for it, but no one can remember it
2019-12-28 04:48:11	fendoer	probably copypaste error, I agree
2019-12-28 04:49:31	DavSanchez	I'll make a PR, maybe someone can track the issue and give some explanation
2019-12-28 04:49:57	fendoer	thanks! 
2019-12-28 04:51:37	DavSanchez	np!
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2019-12-28 16:20:44	fenedor	Somebody up to help me debug a race in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1496 ?
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2019-12-28 17:18:47	fenedor	I am starting to throw a tantrum
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2019-12-28 19:11:29	alanz	fenedor, what is the symptom?
2019-12-28 19:13:32	fenedor	alanz, hi! https://app.circleci.com/jobs/github/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/2539/tests for example
2019-12-28 19:13:46	fenedor	on almost any CI job the failing test is a different one
2019-12-28 19:13:54	alanz	ok, let me see if I can squeeze in time to take a look
2019-12-28 19:13:55	fenedor	And I've found that the scheduler is dying
2019-12-28 19:14:24	fenedor	it seems like the invocation `stack ghc -- --print-libdir` causes some trouble 
2019-12-28 19:14:35	fenedor	and then it just crashes
2019-12-28 19:14:50	fenedor	I've enabled traces now on CI to get an exception trace 
2019-12-28 19:15:28	fenedor	also, locally the tests show the typical race condition behaviour. Often they fail on the first try but succeed later on
2019-12-28 19:16:37	fenedor	the commit that seems to introduce the race: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1496/commits/b4dab704876b6f790cae1e59cddf02d0e42c9bd8
2019-12-28 19:16:48	fenedor	I tested the previous commit in CI and even re-run the workflow
2019-12-28 19:16:51	alanz	ok, will do an analysis of the code for a start, then see what I can find
2019-12-28 19:17:13	fenedor	so, if the race is already present in there, it is less likely to show
2019-12-28 19:17:21	alanz	btw, I found last night that we do not seem to be honouring defaultextensions set in the cabal file?
2019-12-28 19:17:28	alanz	(any more)
2019-12-28 19:17:47	 *	alanz seeing LambdaCase gets reminded
2019-12-28 19:18:05	fenedor	Just some extensions, right? Or all?
2019-12-28 19:18:37	alanz	I just noticed it for LambdaCase. Playing with unison under hie
2019-12-28 19:18:56	alanz	Have made a mental note to look into it in detail once some more dust settles
2019-12-28 19:19:53	fenedor	I am waiting for a profiling build, so, ill look at the hie-bios output
2019-12-28 19:20:31	alanz	ok
2019-12-28 19:21:26	alanz	I set up a cradle as per https://gist.github.com/alanz/87a2decdaf7d2bb8ddd0671f4cc4350c
2019-12-28 19:21:46	alanz	running against master, opening some file that had lambdacase
2019-12-28 19:23:25	fenedor	ill try thanks!
2019-12-28 19:23:53	alanz	fenedor, btw, we can go back to using DanielG as upstream for cabal-helper, he merged my PR for version bumps for GHC 8.8.1
2019-12-28 19:24:22	fenedor	ok, good! 
2019-12-28 19:25:31	alanz	does that race condition show up for all GHC versions, or just 8.4.3?
2019-12-28 19:26:51	fenedor	I think in all
2019-12-28 19:27:20	alanz	ok, so will test against 8.6.5, my current default
2019-12-28 19:27:40	fenedor	yeah, that should do it
2019-12-28 19:36:14	alanz	and I see dxld has not merged it
2019-12-28 19:36:17	alanz	https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/pull/87
2019-12-28 19:38:35	fenedor	not a big deal
2019-12-28 19:40:00	fenedor	On the fork I am currently working on, I can not reproduce the issue with LambdaCase, will try later again with master
2019-12-28 19:44:55	alanz	I was using the branch with cabal-helper as a candidate, and I could not reproduce it now when I tried either. I did get the "libraries not found" problem
2019-12-28 19:45:16	alanz	So we still have a fair bit of stabilisation to do
2019-12-28 19:45:54	alanz	And I think it might be best to hold off the monthly release until we have more stability. OR, to tag it something like 1.0a1
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2019-12-28 19:48:11	fenedor	yeah, the stability of the c-h branch is not that good, unfortunately. I did not have issues when using hie.yaml though
2019-12-28 19:48:21	fenedor	s/branch/cradle/
2019-12-28 20:16:21	alanz	well, being able to specify it and have it work properly is a good fallback. So long as it does work properly. I am still getting my head around it
2019-12-28 20:24:24	fenedor	it absolutely is and it isnt even cabal-helpers fault. Often the build-tools fuck something up
2019-12-28 20:37:15	alanz	yes, this is the most complicated part, making it work reliably with all the various build configs out there
2019-12-28 20:41:15	fenedor	mhm. We would actually need currently like 40 CI jobs or more to check the most common configurations
2019-12-28 20:44:49	alanz	fenedor, this is what I am seeing comparing a good to a bad run of your branch: https://gist.github.com/alanz/28308f152b1eeeb4a521676a82f24eb8
2019-12-28 20:45:13	fenedor	Yeah, but I dont understand why.
2019-12-28 20:45:23	alanz	ghc-pkg: cannot create: /home/alanz/mysrc/github/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/test/testdata/redundantImportTest/.stack-work/install/x86_64-linux-tinfo6/df9d9ba087d3a4eb2fad400edf81a64f085db6f2745b6e2c828cc48e25e00f28/8.6.5/pkgdb/ already exists
2019-12-28 20:45:28	fenedor	yeah, still
2019-12-28 20:45:41	fenedor	why does it exist or why is it a problem?
2019-12-28 20:45:52	alanz	maybe we are not cleaning up properly in between tests
2019-12-28 20:46:10	fenedor	what is the problem when this already exists?
2019-12-28 20:46:31	alanz	this is something inside stack. 
2019-12-28 20:46:33	alanz	?
2019-12-28 20:46:44	alanz	where we have hie, calling stack, calling ghc
2019-12-28 20:47:15	alanz	do we scrub the environment variables first? I recall putting in a helper function for that. To try to manage that inception-like scenario
2019-12-28 20:47:45	alanz	flushStackEnvironment
2019-12-28 20:48:00	fenedor	where should this be called?
2019-12-28 20:48:35	fenedor	hm. maybe
2019-12-28 20:48:57	alanz	it is on line 223 of the existing FunctionalCodeActionsSpec
2019-12-28 20:49:18	fenedor	ill see if this case has failed before
2019-12-28 20:49:33	alanz	and basically it should be called prior to launching any sub-command that needs to run in a clean environment
2019-12-28 20:49:50	alanz	or rather, in the project being run under hie's env
2019-12-28 20:50:06	fenedor	which is now everything, since any call to runIGM needs a context, which uses stack
2019-12-28 20:50:29	alanz	because we have stack running a test, which launches an instance of hie, which loads a test project
2019-12-28 20:50:43	alanz	and it is the test project env vars we need, not all the other stuff
2019-12-28 20:50:47	fenedor	the test has failed before, though: https://app.circleci.com/jobs/github/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/2494/tests
2019-12-28 20:52:19	alanz	I have added it to the failing test, will run it a few times and see what happens
2019-12-28 20:52:33	alanz	Using "stack --stack-yaml=stack.yaml test haskell-ide-engine:func-test --test-arguments "--match \"/FunctionalCodeActions/code actions/redundant import code actions/\""
2019-12-28 20:52:33	alanz	"
2019-12-28 20:53:16	alanz	And I think it is still broken, taking forever this run ...
2019-12-28 20:53:43	alanz	yes, same problem
2019-12-28 20:53:57	fenedor	:(
2019-12-28 20:55:01	alanz	I wonder if it is related to the locking that stack does for the sqlite db
2019-12-28 20:55:03	fenedor	I dont think the problem is related to the stack -> hie -> stack invocations, because I am doing cabal -> hie -> stack and the same problem happens
2019-12-28 20:55:26	alanz	given it is random
2019-12-28 20:55:34	alanz	or rather, flaky
2019-12-28 20:57:08	fenedor	It is very weird, imo. We have been using `stack ghc -- --numeric-version` before. Now only one additional execution happens: `stack ghc -- --print-libdir`
2019-12-28 20:57:42	fenedor	and they happen on the same thread afaict
2019-12-28 20:58:36	alanz	well, possibly print-libdir invokes a different path inside GHC, which causes it to look for a package lib
2019-12-28 20:58:47	alanz	so the one is pulling out cached info, the other not
2019-12-28 20:58:56	alanz	what do you need the libdir for?
2019-12-28 20:59:11	fenedor	to run the ghc session
2019-12-28 20:59:49	fenedor	we are currently using `withGhcT` from hie-bios which obtains the libdir by doing `ghc --print-libdir` which is the reason hie crashes if there is no ghc on the path
2019-12-28 21:00:17	fenedor	I wanted to solve this by obtaining the libdir based on the cradle.
2019-12-28 21:01:29	alanz	How did we run a session before this?
2019-12-28 21:01:41	alanz	because the libdir is pretty fundamental, iirc
2019-12-28 21:02:36	fenedor	I dont know how ghc-mod obtained it
2019-12-28 21:04:05	alanz	is this a real-world failure, or just for the tests?
2019-12-28 21:04:43	fenedor	I *think* mainly tests
2019-12-28 21:04:53	fenedor	but I cant be sure if this is caused by some kind of race
2019-12-28 21:05:04	alanz	ok.
2019-12-28 21:05:29	alanz	FYI, I can't reproduce it (modulo uncertainty ) if I run just the failing test.
2019-12-28 21:05:33	alanz	need to run more than one
2019-12-28 21:05:52	alanz	i.e. stack --stack-yaml=stack.yaml test haskell-ide-engine:func-test --test-arguments "--match \"/FunctionalCodeActions/code actions/redundant import code actions/remove solitary redundant imports/\""
2019-12-28 21:05:57	alanz	is too focused
2019-12-28 21:06:14	alanz	But this does show it up
2019-12-28 21:06:22	alanz	stack --stack-yaml=stack.yaml test haskell-ide-engine:func-test --test-arguments "--match \"/FunctionalCodeActions/code actions/redundant import code actions/\""
2019-12-28 21:06:28	fenedor	Sometimes it fails when I delete `.stack_work` of the respective test-case before running the test
2019-12-28 21:07:19	alanz	does hie-bios have threads of its own?
2019-12-28 21:08:22	fenedor	no
2019-12-28 21:09:03	alanz	ok. And now I can't reproduce the problem with either
2019-12-28 21:09:16	fenedor	I also fail to reproduce it at the moment
2019-12-28 21:09:59	alanz	ok. I need to take a break for a while, will look again later
2019-12-28 21:10:30	fenedor	thank you for your time! I know, it is horrible to debug such stuff
2019-12-28 21:10:42	fenedor	especially when somebody else caused it
2019-12-28 21:11:43	alanz	no problem, it is an interesting challenge
2019-12-28 21:12:39	alanz	and comes with the territory. And is the whole point of hie (and hie-bios), put all the horrible hairy stuff in one place, so it does not have to be solved multiple times
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2019-12-28 22:29:25	fenedor	ok, it seems like doing the same as before, if `stack ghc -- *` fails resorting to `ghc` does the trick 
2019-12-28 22:32:49	fenedor	so, this seems to be a long standing issue
2019-12-28 22:33:07	fenedor	or I dont know, curiosity 
2019-12-28 22:35:24	fenedor	alanz, so, this actually is present as well in master. we have to fall back to ghc and the issue is "fixed" again
2019-12-28 22:36:18	alanz	ok, well I think we should keep it as something to investigate some time, but then maybe move on
2019-12-28 22:36:32	alanz	its likely to get sorted out along the way, while cleaning up something else
2019-12-28 22:37:38	fenedor	yeah, ill clean up the pr and make it ready for merge
2019-12-28 22:38:56	fenedor	ridiculous
2019-12-28 22:38:58	alanz	sounds good
2019-12-28 22:43:28	alanz	And I am looking into an emacs-lsp warning, and once again realising that everything is connected to everything else
2019-12-28 22:44:21	fenedor	what did break in emacs lsp?
2019-12-28 22:46:10	alanz	not break, as such. They supported the early version of progress reporting, then the spec changed it, for 3.15, which is not live yet
2019-12-28 22:46:35	alanz	hie emits progress reporting according to the new spec, and emacs complains about a message we send.
2019-12-28 22:47:05	alanz	BUT, it is setting the flag to say it supports progress. Its just that it supports an intermediate version that has been superseded
2019-12-28 22:51:23	fenedor	classic versioning bugs...
2019-12-28 22:53:40	alanz	yes, but the worst is that the 3.15 spec is not officially released yet, but is already supported in vscode
2019-12-28 22:53:51	alanz	so you have a kind of limbo out there
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2019-12-28 22:57:36	fenedor	Ive heard this is part of the criticism to lsp. The specification is somewhat defined how vscode implements it
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2019-12-28 22:59:48	alanz	there are pros and cons to that. At least the spec is practical, because it is actually being implemented/used
2019-12-28 23:00:26	alanz	And they are pretty good about talking with the community around features as they evolve
2019-12-28 23:03:10	fenedor	yeah, that is true
2019-12-28 23:35:11	alanz	fenedor, btw, the add type signature functionality is not gone, just inaccessible. Various clients have hard-coded "ghc-mod:type" as a command. It is now "generic:type".
2019-12-28 23:35:37	fenedor	alanz, yeah I think I even documented that once?
2019-12-28 23:35:38	alanz	I think the solution is to add back a plugin called GhcMod, which just exposes the generic ones, as an interim
2019-12-28 23:35:41	fenedor	Or maybe I forgot...
2019-12-28 23:35:57	alanz	I just looked into the vscode one, it is hard coded
2019-12-28 23:36:01	fenedor	can we not force each plugin to update? 
2019-12-28 23:36:10	fenedor	Yeah, a lot is hard-coded into these client plugins
2019-12-28 23:36:27	alanz	updating plugins is hard, different people run against different servers, cant always make them line up
2019-12-28 23:36:41	alanz	I would rather have a deprecated zone, then kill it in a while
2019-12-28 23:37:31	alanz	so return the ghcmod name, and in a few months switch the clients to use generic. Or even better, supersede by having a code action, so we just rip code out of the clients. Then the problem goes away
2019-12-28 23:37:49	fenedor	I like the last one, can we do that?
2019-12-28 23:40:12	alanz	yes, but I think we need to do both. Step one is restore the ghc-mod command mapping, by putting in a dummy plugin that just exposes the expected commands, as "ghc-mod"
2019-12-28 23:40:21	alanz	then step two is the code action
2019-12-28 23:40:36	alanz	So older clients keep working
2019-12-28 23:41:33	fenedor	ok. let's do that
2019-12-28 23:41:43	fenedor	but I am taking a break from the debugging for now :D 
2019-12-28 23:42:50	alanz	fine, I am taking a break too.  Perhaps we should make an issue, then see who gets to it first. I was planning on doing it later tonight. Social situation allowing
2019-12-28 23:44:17	fenedor	added to the list ;D
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2019-12-28 23:47:38	alanz	thanks, hopefully I will do something tonight
2019-12-28 23:49:07	fenedor	lets see, these are the holidays, after all
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2019-12-29 04:33:34	lukelau	fendoer: I was thinking, should we refactor IdeError so they translate 1:1 with a showmessagerequest in LSP?
2019-12-29 04:33:51	lukelau	That would be a much tidier way of handling user-facing errors
2019-12-29 04:34:08	lukelau	At the moment I think they get shown to the user via a showmessagerequest but with a bunch of error codes and `show`s plastered in
2019-12-29 04:34:11	lukelau	not very pretty
2019-12-29 04:34:22	fendoer	Yeah, true, not very pretty
2019-12-29 04:34:40	fendoer	I dont know if all IdeErrors translate nicely to a showMessageRequest
2019-12-29 04:34:54	lukelau	Ideally something like `data IdeError = IdeError { severity :: LSP.Severity, message :: T.Text }`
2019-12-29 04:34:59	fendoer	but If they do, it would be definitely nice
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2019-12-29 04:35:24	lukelau	i’ll do a quick grep of the current state of affairs
2019-12-29 04:35:42	fendoer	cool!
2019-12-29 04:35:54	lukelau	by the way for https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1497, the problem is pretty deep rooted
2019-12-29 04:36:24	lukelau	I want to see how the previous c-h handled it
2019-12-29 04:36:45	fendoer	yeah, it is. I think previously it was handled by ghc-mod dark magic
2019-12-29 04:37:07	fendoer	but i dont kno
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2019-12-29 04:47:20	fendoer	lukelau, btw, would be great if you can take a look at that, too :)
2019-12-29 04:47:20	fendoer	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/commit/ad9e3a535e96223181d0f3edb6511c6e30e38d32
2019-12-29 04:49:06	lukelau	fendoer: sorry, missed that notification
2019-12-29 04:49:11	lukelau	what does the LSP log say?
2019-12-29 04:49:17	fendoer	the message is sent
2019-12-29 04:49:35	lukelau	after the rspinitialize, before notinitialized?
2019-12-29 04:49:49	lukelau	let me look at lsp-test and see if its doing something stupid
2019-12-29 04:49:57	fendoer	https://2686-161235415-gh.circle-artifacts.com/0/root/build/test-logs/hie-stack-8.6.5.yaml.log
2019-12-29 04:50:05	fendoer	i dont think lsp-test is doing something stupid
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2019-12-29 04:50:25	fendoer	search for "hiebiosError" in the logs, that is the failing test-case
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2019-12-29 04:51:00	fendoer	i dont think lsp-test is something stupid. I think I am doing something stupid, but I dont know how to make it properly work :/
2019-12-29 04:51:12	fendoer	s/is something/is doing something/
2019-12-29 04:53:06	lukelau	building your branch, checking out the test
2019-12-29 04:53:07	lukelau	two ticks
2019-12-29 05:05:47	lukelau	fendoer: I’m getting an interesting crash from hie
2019-12-29 05:05:48	lukelau	hie: test-logs/hie-stack-8.6.5.yaml.log: openFile: does not exist (No such file or directory)
2019-12-29 05:05:51	lukelau	wat
2019-12-29 05:05:59	lukelau	oh wait im dumb
2019-12-29 05:06:09	lukelau	ok the test passes for me locally
2019-12-29 05:06:18	lukelau	i just had to mkdir test-logs
2019-12-29 05:06:34	lukelau	what do you get when running LSP_TEST_LOG_STDERR=1 LSP_TEST_LOG_MESSAGES=1 cabal run :test:func-test -- -m "reports errors in hie.yaml"
2019-12-29 05:08:00	lukelau	One thing though is that I’m getting the message shown twice
2019-12-29 05:09:19	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/bubba/7a58a098d8854c01113cd9be79198ea0
2019-12-29 05:09:55	fendoer	yeah, once modulecache, once on startup
2019-12-29 05:10:23	fendoer	but once slightly different, right? including the error message
2019-12-29 05:11:50	lukelau	They seem to be the same for me
2019-12-29 05:11:59	lukelau	We should probably just report the error on startup then
2019-12-29 05:12:17	fendoer	we should do both, you can modify it
2019-12-29 05:12:21	fendoer	it could be a different hie.yaml
2019-12-29 05:12:30	fendoer	there can be multiple hie.yaml within a project
2019-12-29 05:13:13	lukelau	true. then just the modulecache one? or will it even reach there if it can’t get the cradle at startup
2019-12-29 05:13:31	lukelau	actually those logs just show that it does reach there
2019-12-29 05:15:57	lukelau	fendoer: the circleci logs are showing something funny: Scheduler thread exited unexpectedly: /root/build/.stack-work/install/x86_64-linux/b2f17278ae374890819c8279bcfef39f2bf21e18c5fff1b71e7d888ded625ab5/8.6.5/lib/settings: openFile: does not exist (No such file or directory
2019-12-29 05:16:18	fendoer	yeah, that is something I havent figured out yet
2019-12-29 05:16:23	lukelau	i can see from those logs that the error message is being sent fine
2019-12-29 05:16:44	fendoer	Well, but the test fails, so I suspected that maybe lsp-test is expecting the capabilities answer first?
2019-12-29 05:16:45	lukelau	i’m going to try running that test locally via stack
2019-12-29 05:16:55	fendoer	and ignores messages before that?
2019-12-29 05:16:55	lukelau	the test fails because hie is crashing
2019-12-29 05:17:14	fendoer	no, this particular message must still be sent
2019-12-29 05:17:27	lukelau	?
2019-12-29 05:17:33	lukelau	which message?
2019-12-29 05:18:36	lukelau	the capabilities and initialization stuff is all fine in that log
2019-12-29 05:19:23	fendoer	yeah, but the message "Couldn't parse hie.yaml: \nAesonException...
2019-12-29 05:19:34	fendoer	is sent before {"capabilities":{"typeDefinitionProvider":true,"foldingRangeProvider":false,"textDocumentSync"
2019-12-29 05:19:39	lukelau	yes
2019-12-29 05:19:51	lukelau	that should be fine yes?
2019-12-29 05:19:52	fendoer	So, the test should succeed because it should receive the message right?
2019-12-29 05:20:06	lukelau	the capability message?
2019-12-29 05:20:51	fendoer	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/test/functional/HieBiosSpec.hs#L24 this should succeed because it is waiting for a message with the content `couldnt parse hie.yaml`
2019-12-29 05:20:53	fendoer	which is sent
2019-12-29 05:21:14	fendoer	right?
2019-12-29 05:21:33	lukelau	ah yes, that condition is met. but lsp-test still needs to have a successful shutdown sequence
2019-12-29 05:22:06	lukelau	which means having the shutdown requests all sent and stuff
2019-12-29 05:22:12	lukelau	as well as getting exit code 0 i think
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2019-12-29 05:23:32	lukelau	ah nevermind, i’m running it locally
2019-12-29 05:23:48	lukelau	its hanging
2019-12-29 05:23:57	lukelau	but how come just with stack?
2019-12-29 05:24:04	lukelau	this is weird
2019-12-29 05:26:21	lukelau	ok so its hanging on stack because the notshowmessage is sent before the rspinitialize
2019-12-29 05:26:44	lukelau	so lsp-test must ignore any messages before rspinitialize
2019-12-29 05:27:28	lukelau	lsp-test should probably throw an exception if this occurs
2019-12-29 05:27:33	lukelau	because this is “disallowed” in lsp
2019-12-29 05:27:41	lukelau	“Until the server has responded to the initialize request with an InitializeResult, the client must not send any additional requests or notifications to the server. In addition the server is not allowed to send any requests or notifications to the client until it has responded with an InitializeResult, with the exception that during the initialize request the server is allowed to send the notifications window/showMessage, 
2019-12-29 05:27:41	lukelau	window/logMessage and telemetry/event as well as the window/showMessageRequest request to the client.”
2019-12-29 05:28:39	fendoer	ok, so, we have to change it a bit
2019-12-29 05:29:12	fendoer	wait, actually, arent we allowed showMessage?
2019-12-29 05:29:18	fendoer	this is showMessage?
2019-12-29 05:29:34	lukelau	fendoer: good catch actually. i didn’t read that far
2019-12-29 05:29:50	lukelau	so lsp-test should then be catching that
2019-12-29 05:30:05	lukelau	i’ll see if i can fix that
2019-12-29 05:35:23	fendoer	cool, thanks!
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2019-12-29 05:46:35	lukelau	i think i have something that might fix this. Speaking of which, working on lsp-test with hie is an absolute joy
2019-12-29 05:47:04	lukelau	getting instant feedback with typed holes is game changing
2019-12-29 05:47:14	lukelau	and i didn’t have to run cabal build once when writing the change
2019-12-29 05:48:16	fendoer	well at least one is happy :) 
2019-12-29 05:49:03	lukelau	lsp-test behaves pretty well since its just one library component lol
2019-12-29 05:49:14	lukelau	running hie on hie has always been a bit messy for me
2019-12-29 05:49:32	fendoer	it is a bit messy, there are some more bugs, but we are going to find them ;) 
2019-12-29 05:49:39	fendoer	but overall, the experience has improved
2019-12-29 05:49:43	fendoer	imo
2019-12-29 05:49:58	lukelau	definitely!
2019-12-29 05:50:12	lukelau	i do feel like i am cheating though since i have a hie.yaml in my lsp-test repo
2019-12-29 05:50:26	lukelau	im not sure if i was able to get it working with the implicit c-h cradle
2019-12-29 05:50:53	fendoer	there are some problems with the implicit cradle. But they are mostly caused by the underlying tools
2019-12-29 05:51:04	fendoer	so, we can not even blame c-h, rather stack and cabal :(
2019-12-29 05:51:21	fendoer	and to fix those... takes easily a year before the end-user sees the improvement
2019-12-29 05:51:40	lukelau	yup
2019-12-29 05:51:55	lukelau	neither of them make it particularly easy to get basic stuff
2019-12-29 05:51:59	lukelau	like what version the project is
2019-12-29 05:52:12	lukelau	wow my fix actually worked
2019-12-29 05:52:26	lukelau	will do a minor release
2019-12-29 05:54:20	fendoer	wuiii
2019-12-29 05:54:27	fendoer	:confetti:
2019-12-29 05:54:30	fendoer	thanks!
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2019-12-29 06:17:27	lukelau	fendor: tests for lsp-test are running, waiting for them to pass
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2019-12-29 17:50:26	alanz	I just merged it, figure mpickering is not around at the moment, so no point in waiting for his review
2019-12-29 17:50:47	alanz	It means the ghc-8.8 one needs to be unconflicted
2019-12-29 17:52:02	fenedor	thank you!
2019-12-29 17:52:10	fenedor	hopefully the most glaring problem is solved now
2019-12-29 17:52:19	alanz	thank *you*, for all the good work on it
2019-12-29 17:52:45	alanz	its great to see a team collaborating around getting things moving along
2019-12-29 17:53:10	fenedor	yeah it is really motivating!
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2019-12-29 22:59:34	fenedor	what is more important, better error messages or unblocking packaging, e.g. solving the hlint data-files issue?
2019-12-29 23:05:40	alanz	I would say better error messages
2019-12-29 23:06:08	alanz	the packaging has been bad forever, we are on the cusp of getting onto hackage, so rather tackle it once we have that
2019-12-29 23:06:17	fenedor	ok, will try to fix #1509
2019-12-29 23:06:52	alanz	and my experience of "./install.hs hie-8.6.5" even after blowing away the ".stack-work" dir is that it is pretty fast
2019-12-29 23:06:55	alanz	about 2 mins
2019-12-29 23:07:10	alanz	admittedly with a warm stack cache, but still
2019-12-29 23:08:13	alanz	I am currently looking into the emacs-lsp warning on init problem.https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell/issues/56
2019-12-29 23:08:32	alanz	We are parsing the capabilities sent from the client as if they are a config message
2019-12-29 23:09:10	fenedor	weird error message. I dont think i have seen that one before
2019-12-29 23:10:28	alanz	I think we are better at catching and forwarding error messages now
2019-12-29 23:10:51	alanz	because I did a git comparison between now and the reported ones, nothing meaningful
2019-12-29 23:11:04	alanz	And I did look at the code, we *are* trying to parse the wrong thing
2019-12-29 23:11:40	fenedor	in emacs-lsp or somewhere else?
2019-12-29 23:12:06	alanz	in haskell-lsp
2019-12-29 23:13:09	alanz	Here https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Core.hs#L438
2019-12-29 23:13:53	alanz	Which was originally intended to be used as logged here: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Core.hs#L468
2019-12-29 23:14:23	alanz	But it is not a didchangeconfiguration notification, it is an initialize request
2019-12-29 23:14:41	alanz	Which is what the emacs-lsp warning message is displaying
2019-12-29 23:14:43	fenedor	oh. when did that happen?
2019-12-29 23:15:05	fenedor	ok I think I understand.
2019-12-29 23:15:24	fenedor	still having a lot of trouble understanding haskell-lsp
2019-12-29 23:18:19	fenedor	I am spamming issues
2019-12-29 23:52:45	fenedor	do these lsp message speak html or something different? E.g. can I do a line-break?
2019-12-30 00:02:48	fenedor	my forearm hurts from writing... I am clearly out of shape :D 
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2019-12-30 00:13:37	alanz	fenedor, they speak json
2019-12-30 00:14:35	fenedor	alanz, Ok, so, I cant do newline in messages? E.g. the hie.yaml parsing error exception should've been in the next line, but at least vscode shows it in the same line
2019-12-30 00:14:43	fenedor	or do I have to send `\\n`?
2019-12-30 00:14:59	fenedor	or even `\\\\n`? ;D 
2019-12-30 00:18:09	fenedor	I guess, I just have to live with that
2019-12-30 00:22:03	alanz	I think vscode sometimes flattens things, and sometimes doesn't, depending on where on its UI it shows the message
2019-12-30 00:47:09	dxld	alanz: I trust you saw the c-h-1.0 release? even got 8.8 tested and in bounds
2019-12-30 00:50:03	alanz	dxld, I did. And got all excited, but then there is the ghc 8.8 hie PR about to land
2019-12-30 00:50:21	alanz	So I think we will wait for the fuits of your gitlab-ci branch
2019-12-30 00:50:35	dxld	?
2019-12-30 00:50:56	alanz	Which unfortunately also has a submodule on apply-refact, waiting patiently for mpickering to release it
2019-12-30 00:51:06	dxld	8.8 is already on hackage, I was just working on fixing some non-critical test failures
2019-12-30 00:51:33	dxld	so I wasn't planning on releasing that seperately
2019-12-30 00:51:35	alanz	really? I thought there were bounds issues
2019-12-30 00:51:44	alanz	ok, will check. Sorry.
2019-12-30 00:51:49	alanz	this PR: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1482
2019-12-30 00:52:46	alanz	Awesome, this is working: cabal new-install cabal-helper --with-compiler=ghc-8.8.1
2019-12-30 00:53:06	alanz	I thought I saw that, but when I looked at the network the dates didnt line up. Damn rebases
2019-12-30 00:53:17	alanz	dxld, thanks
2019-12-30 01:01:19	dxld	alanz: I tested the hackage release with 8.8 and it just happened to work :)
2019-12-30 01:01:58	alanz	nice. Putting together a PR right now for it
2019-12-30 01:02:36	alanz	I saw notifications come through which made me thing you had done it, but when I looked I did not see them. Time of the year blindness, I guess :)
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2019-12-30 01:13:22	alanz	dxld: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1521
2019-12-30 01:20:42	fenedor	yeah! quickjump the c-h api!
2019-12-30 01:37:14	fenedor	lukelau, Is it possible that `showMessage` in lsp is not the right place to show error messages? Structured text is not allowed in those.
2019-12-30 01:55:28	lukelau	fenedor: error messages like diagnostic error messages?
2019-12-30 01:55:49	lukelau	I don’t think so. showMessage is for the little popups in the bottom right corner of vscode
2019-12-30 01:56:00	lukelau	and yeah they don’t support fancy text
2019-12-30 01:56:07	fenedor	lukelau, yeah, but I wanna show config errors.
2019-12-30 01:56:17	lukelau	ah like with preformatted text?
2019-12-30 01:56:49	lukelau	I think its probably fine if you just scoop out the description in the yamlparseexception 
2019-12-30 01:56:56	fenedor	what you mean with preformatted? I want to improve the message "Could not obtain flags for..." with more information
2019-12-30 01:57:06	lukelau	so it doesn’t actually say `YamlParseException` in the message
2019-12-30 01:57:09	fenedor	yeah, for that it is good enough
2019-12-30 01:57:11	lukelau	preformatted as in monospaced font
2019-12-30 01:57:21	fenedor	Where do you set that?
2019-12-30 01:57:31	fenedor	And I still cant do linebreaks, right?
2019-12-30 01:57:37	lukelau	I think you can do line breaks
2019-12-30 01:57:48	lukelau	have you tried just \n?
2019-12-30 01:58:01	fenedor	yeah, I tried
2019-12-30 01:58:02	lukelau	But for the monospaced font you need the markup text thing
2019-12-30 01:58:22	lukelau	hmm. you would think that it supports it
2019-12-30 01:58:43	fenedor	https://stackoverflow.com/questions/54300025/how-to-newline-in-vscode-window-showinformationmessage :(
2019-12-30 01:59:05	lukelau	ah crap
2019-12-30 01:59:21	lukelau	its possible you could send a diagnostic instead
2019-12-30 01:59:30	lukelau	and take advantage of the markup format there
2019-12-30 02:00:06	fenedor	that is less noticable
2019-12-30 02:00:28	fenedor	*eye catchy
2019-12-30 02:01:17	alanz	diagnostic would be a really good option
2019-12-30 02:01:28	alanz	it means we can do code actions to try fix it too
2019-12-30 02:01:45	alanz	and you can do ones not tied to a specific file, I think
2019-12-30 02:01:57	fenedor	Ok.
2019-12-30 02:02:02	fenedor	You win :P
2019-12-30 02:02:49	lukelau	alanz: i’m not seeing anywhere for global diagnostics in the spec, but a good place would be in the .cabal file or hie.yaml file
2019-12-30 02:03:06	lukelau	oooh that would be pretty nice. if the hie.yaml parse error got translated into a diagnostic for the hie.yaml file
2019-12-30 02:03:23	lukelau	and maybe we could catch warnings/errors in the .cabal file too?
2019-12-30 02:03:25	alanz	hmm, seems not yet: https://github.com/microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues/256
2019-12-30 02:03:45	alanz	lukelau, agree
2019-12-30 02:04:15	fenedor	lukelau, isnt that a bit of a hen and egg problem that we cant repair at the moment? If the hie.yaml cant parse, we cant find the libdir, but have to start the scheduler thread
2019-12-30 02:04:32	fenedor	After fixing issues, we would actually like to restart that thread
2019-12-30 02:05:50	lukelau	fenedor: we can’t start the ghcidem thread
2019-12-30 02:06:06	lukelau	but we should still have access to the LSP sendfunc
2019-12-30 02:06:45	fenedor	The ghcidem thread is started before we send the capabilities answer. Dont think we can offer code action or the like before the initialisation is finished
2019-12-30 02:07:18	fenedor	the threading story just needs improvement. I think we just found the reason for https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/32 by accident because I started catching all exceptions if a thread dies
2019-12-30 02:08:14	lukelau	fenedor: can we not send the diagnostic here? v
2019-12-30 02:08:15	lukelau	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/072ff7f144776328084a87b79231e43e9191a79e/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Server.hs#L160-L163
2019-12-30 02:08:38	lukelau	but yeah i agree the amount of forkIO is enough to make one nervous
2019-12-30 02:09:04	fenedor	afaict we cant send diagnostics before onStartup has finished and sent the capabilities answer
2019-12-30 02:09:29	fenedor	the handshake is not finished
2019-12-30 02:09:32	lukelau	ah true
2019-12-30 02:10:30	lukelau	but we can slip it onto the diagnostics thread surely
2019-12-30 02:10:37	lukelau	the scheduler is just one of the three threads
2019-12-30 02:10:50	fenedor	yeah, but we need to start the scheduler some-time
2019-12-30 02:11:21	fenedor	if we start it immediately, we might not have the right libdir and then people fix the issue and wonder why hie is still not working properly
2019-12-30 02:11:43	lukelau	they’re going to have to reload hie anyway right?
2019-12-30 02:12:27	fenedor	hm. I see. maybe. I think handling this gracefully would be better. 
2019-12-30 02:12:31	fenedor	However, question:
2019-12-30 02:12:58	fenedor	If the cradle loading fails in `runActionWithContext` how could I turn this into a file diagnostic?
2019-12-30 02:13:36	lukelau	MonadIde contains the lsp funcs, which has the sendfunc
2019-12-30 02:14:11	lukelau	just send a diagnostic directly rather than using the stuff inside server.hs
2019-12-30 02:14:29	alanz	Maybe we should only launch the ghcide thread when we know for sure what we have?
2019-12-30 02:14:51	fenedor	alanz, that would be one idea
2019-12-30 02:14:57	fenedor	lukelau, really? 
2019-12-30 02:15:24	fenedor	lukelau, you are making me sad, we could have done this so much cleaner :(
2019-12-30 02:15:51	lukelau	if its for the hie.yaml errors then the scheduler wont get started
2019-12-30 02:15:53	lukelau	right?
2019-12-30 02:16:15	lukelau	which means that hie is just a dead end anyway
2019-12-30 02:16:25	fenedor	What we are currently doing: return an IdeResult a and only execute the action if it failed and report the error via Scheduler.hs :(
2019-12-30 02:17:19	fenedor	lukelau, no, hie can currently continue to function but rather limited. It just uses `Nothing` for the libdir, and afaict this entails that after fixing the hie.yaml you can load files but you are a bit crippled
2019-12-30 02:19:00	alanz	we can always run as best effort, then exit the process, assuming the client will restart
2019-12-30 02:19:21	alanz	as part of fixing the problem. So long as something has actually changed
2019-12-30 02:19:42	fenedor	We can just watch changes to `hie.yaml`
2019-12-30 02:19:55	fenedor	there is a lsp feature for that, iirc
2019-12-30 02:25:04	lukelau	I’m definitely open to reworking the scheduling to avoid this
2019-12-30 02:25:46	fenedor	ok, let's put that on the list of "stuff to refactor"
2019-12-30 02:25:52	lukelau	i’m not sure how far you want to go with it, but there’s nothing wrong with a quick dirty direct use of the sendfunc if you want to avoid having to go down the rabbit hole
2019-12-30 02:26:24	fenedor	I can send diagnostics in MonadIde, right?
2019-12-30 02:26:30	fenedor	that would be a nice solution?
2019-12-30 02:26:32	lukelau	yup
2019-12-30 02:26:35	lukelau	via the sendfunc
2019-12-30 02:26:50	fenedor	that is the dirty solution?
2019-12-30 02:26:53	lukelau	yes
2019-12-30 02:26:56	fenedor	what is the clean solution then?
2019-12-30 02:27:04	fenedor	for just providing nicer error messages?
2019-12-30 02:27:12	lukelau	registering a plugin with a diagnosticsprovider
2019-12-30 02:27:48	lukelau	but since cradle errors are special it probably makes sense not to use the diagnosticproviders for them
2019-12-30 02:28:02	fenedor	Hm, not possible. The diagnostic would be produced by `runActionWithContext`
2019-12-30 02:28:32	alanz	we could kick out diagnostics after receiving the Initialized notification.
2019-12-30 02:28:50	alanz	(which is where this stuff was before, sorry)
2019-12-30 02:30:07	fenedor	We cant get the diagnostic of why a certain file cant be loaded during Initialisation
2019-12-30 02:32:02	alanz	I know, but if we are looking for the libdir, and it fails, we can report diagnostics after receiving that notification.
2019-12-30 02:32:08	alanz	according to the protocol
2019-12-30 02:32:59	fenedor	Can we bounce messages to the diagnostics thread?
2019-12-30 02:33:35	fenedor	however, lukelau, how dirty would it be if `runActionWithContext` sends out diagnostics directly? 
2019-12-30 02:35:38	fenedor	I am very afraid to increase our technical debt to an amount from which we can hardly recover.
2019-12-30 02:36:26	alanz	Lets go with sending a message for now.
2019-12-30 02:37:00	alanz	worst case, send a diagnostic, and then just respond with an error saying GHC not available until the project is fixed
2019-12-30 02:37:04	alanz	keep it simple
2019-12-30 02:37:38	fenedor	we are sending a message but you can see in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1522 that the message gets too long to be readable in a message box
2019-12-30 02:38:37	alanz	what we could do is send a message, then send a diagnostic with details (from the Initialize notification, to get the lifecycle straight, and then error on anything needing GHC
2019-12-30 02:38:38	lukelau	fenedor: not that dirty. I’m fine with it seeing as diagnostics are transient thing
2019-12-30 02:38:49	alanz	until the user fixes and restarts
2019-12-30 02:39:16	fenedor	ok. So, sending both, a message and a diagnostics is alright?
2019-12-30 02:39:41	alanz	why not?
2019-12-30 02:40:22	fenedor	I dont know, I just feel like I am violating architecural decisions 
2019-12-30 02:40:39	fenedor	* architectural
2019-12-30 02:40:46	alanz	last option, is you can send https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specifications/specification-3-14/#window_showMessageRequest
2019-12-30 02:41:24	alanz	which then presents options, the user can choose one, a kind of cheap code action
2019-12-30 02:41:35	alanz	but available in the startup phase
2019-12-30 02:41:48	fenedor	that is also really useful.
2019-12-30 02:42:04	fenedor	but not for this particular issue
2019-12-30 02:42:33	fenedor	ok, thanks, I have some ideas to implement
2019-12-30 02:42:39	alanz	agree. I was thinking of using it to choose a component, in the absence of a cradle
2019-12-30 02:42:50	fenedor	good idea
2019-12-30 02:52:26	lukelau	alanz: ooh that would be pretty nice!
2019-12-30 02:58:28	fenedor	is there a reason why getIdeEnv is not exposed by PluginsIdeMonads?
2019-12-30 02:58:38	fenedor	Probably to forbid exactly what I am trying to do?
2019-12-30 03:00:58	fenedor	and neither is IdeEnv :(
2019-12-30 03:01:14	fenedor	I feel like I am violating the architecture
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2019-12-30 03:27:11	lukelau	fendoer: hmm i wouldn’t expose the full thing, since plugins are supposed arent supposed to access the lsp funcs directly. rather use the plugin providers
2019-12-30 03:27:46	fendoer	lukelau, ok? which plugin providers?
2019-12-30 03:27:53	fendoer	is there an example?
2019-12-30 03:28:16	lukelau	in this case that would be like `diagnosticsProvider`
2019-12-30 03:28:42	lukelau	but yeah, the main idea is that plugins don’t manually send messages but instead use `diagnosticsProvider`, `codeActionProvider`, `formattingProvider` etc.
2019-12-30 03:29:12	lukelau	this is a tricky situation though. since i do think that the cradle stuff lives outside the realm of plugins
2019-12-30 03:29:17	lukelau	and it should have more direct access to the send funcs
2019-12-30 03:30:45	lukelau	where are you trying to send this by the way? if its inside server.hs then you don’t need to grab it via getIdeEnv
2019-12-30 03:30:58	lukelau	since you have the funcs directly there
2019-12-30 03:32:38	fendoer	I am trying to access it in `ModuleCache`
2019-12-30 03:33:46	fendoer	but could do it in server, too...
2019-12-30 03:34:53	fendoer	I think
2019-12-30 03:43:41	alanz	we only get those functions in the initialize request callback
2019-12-30 03:43:58	alanz	so that is the first time in the lifecycle you can use them
2019-12-30 03:44:12	alanz	i.e. in 'onStartup' and beyond
2019-12-30 03:47:41	fendoer	I want to use them when compiling modules
2019-12-30 03:48:02	fendoer	a faield hie.yaml parse is not that important for me
2019-12-30 03:51:35	alanz	fendoer, what do you want to do?
2019-12-30 03:52:27	alanz	Because I am starting to feel that the clean message based architecture is devolving into global variable IOREF soup
2019-12-30 03:53:02	alanz	or perhaps already has
2019-12-30 03:54:59	fendoer	yeah, I am afraid, too
2019-12-30 03:55:18	fendoer	I am trying to show the `Could not obtain flags` message as a diagnostic in the current file
2019-12-30 03:56:32	alanz	from what thread? because you should be able to return it, and let the lsp main thread convert it
2019-12-30 03:56:59	alanz	Which I guess is a holdover from the old days, when we thought we would support multiple transports, only one being LSP
2019-12-30 03:57:27	alanz	somaybe we *should* reconsider what we are doing
2019-12-30 03:59:18	fendoer	GhcIde Thread
2019-12-30 03:59:30	fendoer	yeah, we could from `runActionWithContext`
2019-12-30 04:04:08	fendoer	can I report the diagnostics from Scheduler.hs somehow?
2019-12-30 04:09:22	jneira	hi! amazing work post-hie-bios
2019-12-30 04:10:04	jneira	i cant be very active for christmast :-/
2019-12-30 04:11:17	jneira	but i wanted to open an issue about adding hlint refactorings as quickfixes
2019-12-30 04:12:14	jneira	there is no one about that? 
2019-12-30 04:13:38	fendoer	jneira, hi! no worries, a lot to do during the holidays :) dont think arent there hlint refactoring as quickfixes already?
2019-12-30 04:13:45	fendoer	*dont think so, 
2019-12-30 04:14:05	fendoer	otherwise it is a regression, imo
2019-12-30 04:16:57	jneira	i dont have them, since i start to test them before merging hie-bios
2019-12-30 04:17:17	jneira	and there is a issue about: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/issues/182
2019-12-30 04:18:24	alanz	jneira, it might be that the vscode UI is just showing them differently now
2019-12-30 04:18:45	alanz	because if there are there under the bulb, then we *are* providing them
2019-12-30 04:19:05	alanz	and this is holiday time, you should be spending it with family and friends
2019-12-30 04:19:44	jneira	https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-ide-engine/issues/73
2019-12-30 04:22:25	jneira	the type of the code action is no quickfix but refactor or somethink alike
2019-12-30 04:23:51	fendoer	ah
2019-12-30 04:23:56	fendoer	yeah, feel free to open an issue
2019-12-30 04:24:32	alanz	jneira, I think it is more a classification change, rather than a regression on our side
2019-12-30 04:24:41	alanz	i.e. change in vscode
2019-12-30 04:25:11	alanz	I just experimented in vscode. It says no quick fix, but does report it via the other mechanism
2019-12-30 04:26:02	alanz	they still show up in emacs
2019-12-30 04:26:52	fendoer	alanz, So, should we rather produce diagnostics and report them via `Scheduler.hs`? Or how can I send diagnostics from ModuleCache.hs?
2019-12-30 04:29:31	alanz	fendoer, we already have a path when you load a module, that generates diagnostics that are returned. What is different in this scenario?
2019-12-30 04:29:57	alanz	(I have not been paying full attention, a house full of guests here)
2019-12-30 04:30:13	fendoer	alanz, oh sorry, we can talk about it tomorrow or something
2019-12-30 04:30:23	fendoer	it is not urgent
2019-12-30 04:30:54	jneira	he, i *have* to rest from my family from time to time :-D
2019-12-30 04:31:17	alanz	I know. Hard to turn your brain off completely :)
2019-12-30 04:33:56	jneira	link to https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1081, it reminds me the log output for hlint suggestions
2019-12-30 04:34:40	alanz	ok
2019-12-30 04:57:09	alanz	fendoer, I think we should keep the GHC 8.8 support until after the december release
2019-12-30 04:57:25	fendoer	alanz, Yeah, that sound reasonable
2019-12-30 04:57:25	alanz	then we can internally dog-food it for the month of jan
2019-12-30 04:57:38	alanz	without a million complaints
2019-12-30 04:58:17	alanz	it also gives us time to get apply-refact updated on hackage, without pressuring anyone
2019-12-30 04:58:35	alanz	so leaves the path free for a hackage release, if we choose to do that
2019-12-30 04:58:56	alanz	bearing in mind that once we jump on that train it is hard to jump off again
2019-12-30 04:59:11	fendoer	Why? Just dont release for a while
2019-12-30 04:59:19	fendoer	ghcide did it, too
2019-12-30 05:00:07	alanz	or just go back to install from master, if we fall off. The monthly cycle is important, in my opinion
2019-12-30 05:00:19	fendoer	there were at least two months between releases for ghcide
2019-12-30 05:00:46	fendoer	that is a good question, should we endorse using hackage to install it... 
2019-12-30 05:01:22	jneira	jumm i was improving the install script a bit...
2019-12-30 05:01:24	fendoer	Only breaking point is currently, that users would not build the hoogle database potentially
2019-12-30 05:01:26	alanz	ok. but I reckon we keep with the cycle, and decide how precisely we are going to manage installation. It it is on hackage people will expect they can just install and boom
2019-12-30 05:01:43	fendoer	yeah, that is not going to fly right now
2019-12-30 05:01:51	jneira	maybe i should wait?
2019-12-30 05:02:06	fendoer	jneira, wait with what?
2019-12-30 05:02:06	alanz	It does mean that stack people can potentially install it as a build dep in the project, and guarantee the right version
2019-12-30 05:02:23	alanz	my view is we should not rush it, make sure we have a plan
2019-12-30 05:02:25	jneira	i had started to improve install.hs a bit
2019-12-30 05:02:44	fendoer	jneira, please continue improving it, I think it will take a while before we get it right
2019-12-30 05:03:01	jneira	ok
2019-12-30 05:03:13	fendoer	alanz, I agree, we need a real plan before going to hackage. E.g. hoogle database is an issue
2019-12-30 05:03:21	jneira	not big things, but make it build tool agnostic
2019-12-30 05:03:27	alanz	agree
2019-12-30 05:03:36	alanz	we *can*, does not mean we *must*
2019-12-30 05:03:44	jneira	and precompiled binaries? 
2019-12-30 05:04:28	jneira	i help to increase adoption more than hackage imho
2019-12-30 05:04:40	jneira	*it would help
2019-12-30 05:04:43	alanz	I have no idea what is technically required for those. They are a good option though
2019-12-30 05:04:59	alanz	some well-defined way of bringing it in.
2019-12-30 05:05:05	fendoer	I *think* the last thing are the hlint data-files
2019-12-30 05:05:27	alanz	we could trigger building the hoogle db as a code action, based on a diagnostic saying the db is missing
2019-12-30 05:05:32	fendoer	Absolutely
2019-12-30 05:05:38	jneira	And you always can download the hlint data file manually without much effort
2019-12-30 05:05:46	fendoer	jneira, that is not enough
2019-12-30 05:05:55	fendoer	path to the hlint-data-files is compiled into hie
2019-12-30 05:06:02	fendoer	just downloading them will not work
2019-12-30 05:06:13	fendoer	we have to point hlint that is built-into hie to the right data-files
2019-12-30 05:06:22	jneira	i mean the final user could download it and place in the right place
2019-12-30 05:06:23	fendoer	same idea, though.
2019-12-30 05:06:36	fendoer	jneira, the correct place is almost impossible to get right
2019-12-30 05:06:55	fendoer	because, e.g. for cabal, you have to install them into the cabal store
2019-12-30 05:06:57	alanz	I also know that when I install it from a stack build, the stack dir has to stay around
2019-12-30 05:07:10	fendoer	alanz, yeah, because of the data-files
2019-12-30 05:07:22	alanz	if it is on hackage, that problem should go away. Or rather, once it is in a stack snapshot
2019-12-30 05:07:42	alanz	so maybe installing via cabal ends up being the best option
2019-12-30 05:07:59	fendoer	I think it would be good to add some kind of "health" check for each plugin
2019-12-30 05:08:29	fendoer	and the possibility for each plugin to "fix" itself
2019-12-30 05:08:43	fendoer	this would mainly be used for the hoogle db and hlint, though
2019-12-30 05:08:57	alanz	But I think pausing and having a chat to the ghcide guys makes sense too, about how to integrate. Because if we end up joining forces, we need to consider packaging of the whole
2019-12-30 05:09:27	alanz	I wonder if any ghcide people are going to be at that bristol hackathon mpickering is organising in jan
2019-12-30 05:09:35	alanz	could be a good place to discuss options
2019-12-30 05:09:36	fendoer	ugh, yeah, forgot about merging with ghcide...
2019-12-30 05:10:20	alanz	I think it will be exciting, unleash the best of both
2019-12-30 05:10:38	jneira	sounds good
2019-12-30 05:10:41	alanz	and bring in a joint pool of committed people to work on something great
2019-12-30 05:10:47	fendoer	Probably. I think mpickering wants to try merge the projects
2019-12-30 05:11:17	alanz	yes, I have been relying on him as being the point person on this. He has the best grasp of the projects and the people
2019-12-30 05:11:31	fendoer	yeah and is motivated to do it
2019-12-30 05:11:35	alanz	the other option is zurihac, but that will be way too late
2019-12-30 05:11:53	 *	alanz must remember to sign up for both of those
2019-12-30 05:13:22	fendoer	it will take a while to merge the projects... 
2019-12-30 05:14:15	alanz	I know, but there first have to be discussions and agreements about what will happen
2019-12-30 05:14:31	fendoer	yeah... currently it just looks like ghcide is re-implementing everything from hie
2019-12-30 05:14:36	alanz	And I think mpickering has had the start of those
2019-12-30 05:15:00	jneira	mmm should i able to build the ghc-8.8 pr with ghc-8.6.5?
2019-12-30 05:15:01	alanz	I know, because we have taken way longer than expected on this hie-bios merge. 
2019-12-30 05:15:07	fendoer	I also had a chance to talk to ndmitchell on munihac
2019-12-30 05:15:09	fendoer	*in?
2019-12-30 05:15:13	fendoer	*at?
2019-12-30 05:15:16	alanz	we went as fast as we could, but it was a really complicated thing
2019-12-30 05:15:18	alanz	at
2019-12-30 05:15:29	fendoer	Just so lost with propositions
2019-12-30 05:15:32	alanz	good. How did it go
2019-12-30 05:15:44	alanz	prepositions haha
2019-12-30 05:15:44	fendoer	I was very nervous. 
2019-12-30 05:16:08	fendoer	hehe, damn it :D 
2019-12-30 05:16:12	alanz	thats ok, everyone is to start with
2019-12-30 05:18:23	fendoer	It was very interesting, he talked with me about it a bit and back then asked what he has to do to combine efforts
2019-12-30 05:19:22	alanz	I plan on sitting with him soon too, time to chase it up.
2019-12-30 05:19:31	fendoer	and then explained a bunch of stuff, like what shake actually solves and so on, which, back then, I didnt know about
2019-12-30 05:19:39	alanz	He was running around like crazy just before the break.
2019-12-30 05:20:09	alanz	And before that I have his munihac talk to watch. And a couple of others, around the shake stuff, and so on. Homework
2019-12-30 05:20:33	alanz	Perhaps we should put together a hie reading/video list for the team, as a resource leading into integration
2019-12-30 05:21:13	fendoer	shake is cool, and it feels so smart to use a sophisticated caching system for it. But I am very afraid of the moment when this has a bug and we need to chase it down
2019-12-30 05:21:26	fendoer	yeah, that sounds like a nice idea
2019-12-30 05:22:04	alanz	well, shake is pretty stable, or well understood, by a large bunch of people
2019-12-30 05:22:25	alanz	and you guys have used it for our installer, so it is not completely foreign
2019-12-30 05:24:09	fendoer	true. However, for the installer, it was probably way overkill 
2019-12-30 05:24:25	fendoer	and it is used by ghc, too
2019-12-30 05:25:25	fendoer	and it has like almost 6000 commits 0.0
2019-12-30 05:25:51	jneira	mpickering uploaded a apply-refact version (0.7.0.0) yesterday to hackage
2019-12-30 05:26:41	jneira	but i cant build hie with cabal and ghc-8.6.5 with it cause has `ghc >= 8.8.1` :-/
2019-12-30 05:27:20	fendoer	yeah.. that is.. weird
2019-12-30 05:27:52	jneira	the author is using stack as main build tool?
2019-12-30 05:28:30	jneira	`apply-refact-0.6.0.0`had `ghc >=8.6.0 && <8.8` 
2019-12-30 05:28:40	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1525
2019-12-30 05:29:18	alanz	jneira, each version is tied to a specific GHC version. So specifying it without constraint lets cabal do the right thing
2019-12-30 05:29:39	alanz	I missed that, been asking for it here there and everywhere. Great.
2019-12-30 05:29:42	alanz	mpickering, thanks
2019-12-30 05:31:36	jneira	uh but apply-refact requires ghc >= 8.8.1 
2019-12-30 05:31:44	jneira	maybe i am missing somthing
2019-12-30 05:31:49	alanz	no, apply-refact-0.7.0.0 does
2019-12-30 05:31:57	jneira	yeah
2019-12-30 05:32:11	alanz	and apply-refact-0.6.0.0 supports 8.6, only
2019-12-30 05:32:13	alanz	etc
2019-12-30 05:32:29	jneira	ah ok
2019-12-30 05:32:32	alanz	It has always been that way. Look closely at the stack-xxx.yaml files
2019-12-30 05:33:09	alanz	So we can tweak the pending ghc 8.8 PR to use that too, which gets rid of the last submodule. Hurrah
2019-12-30 05:33:16	jneira	so the pr can be only built with 8.8.1 cause it has the submodule fixed in the cabal.project
2019-12-30 05:33:41	jneira	alanz thanks for the clarification
2019-12-30 05:33:45	alanz	yes. Except you can now take that submodule out, after "cabal new-update
2019-12-30 05:33:49	alanz	sure
2019-12-30 05:34:38	jneira	:+1:
2019-12-30 05:34:45	alanz	It is an interesting versioning scheme, because if you ever want to add new features, etc, you need to publish 0.6.1, 0.7.1, etc
2019-12-30 05:35:44	alanz	Is anyone going to https://mpickering.github.io/bristol2020.html?
2019-12-30 05:35:57	jneira	i see, each main version is correlated with a ghc main version
2019-12-30 05:36:11	fendoer	no, too far away :/
2019-12-30 05:37:36	alanz	jneira, yes
2019-12-30 05:37:51	alanz	fendoer, no problem. One day. You are in Germany? Austria?
2019-12-30 05:38:04	fendoer	yeah, I am living close to vienna
2019-12-30 05:38:43	alanz	ok. Close to hvr and dxld then.
2019-12-30 05:38:55	alanz	I think I will put my name down for munihac too
2019-12-30 05:39:33	fendoer	yeah, hvr is actually a lecturer at my uni
2019-12-30 05:39:48	fendoer	that is how we (power-fungus and me) got the chance to work on hie
2019-12-30 05:39:55	fendoer	for university credits
2019-12-30 05:40:58	alanz	thats right. One of the best things that happened to this project
2019-12-30 05:41:24	alanz	Does anyone have a link to the munihac registration page? I thought I had an email, but it seems not
2019-12-30 05:41:48	fendoer	not sure it has been announced yet
2019-12-30 05:42:18	fendoer	thanks, I take it as a compliment :)
2019-12-30 05:42:48	alanz	wait, I am thinking of zurihac
2019-12-30 05:45:15	alanz	fendoer, it was intended as a compliment, you have been a great force on this project this last while
2019-12-30 05:47:23	fendoer	thank you :) that means a lot to me
2019-12-30 05:50:48	fendoer	good night everyone! 
2019-12-30 05:54:23	alanz	night all, we are making really good progress
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2019-12-30 06:28:51	jneira	wow there is a pending pr in unix-compat to add ghc-8.8.1 support for windows 
2019-12-30 06:29:07	jneira	since May 1 :-(
2019-12-30 07:41:02	lukelau	jneira: you should try submitting an issue in the hackage trustees for it
2019-12-30 07:41:26	lukelau	i had to do the same thing for bytestring-trie which wouldnt build on ghc-8.8.1
2019-12-30 07:59:14	lukelau	dxld: sorry that i missed this for 1.0.0.0 upload, but i have a fresh patch for you https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/pull/89
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2019-12-30 16:43:21	marinelli	hi everyone
2019-12-30 16:44:01	marinelli	are there some notes on how to configure a hie.yaml file?
2019-12-30 16:49:00	fenedor	marinelli, hi! 
2019-12-30 16:49:13	fenedor	what do you mean with configure a hie.yaml file? 
2019-12-30 16:49:25	fenedor	you mean a specification or how to write them?
2019-12-30 16:56:47	marinelli	well... both of them :)
2019-12-30 16:58:23	fenedor	marinelli, we take the hie.yaml from https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios
2019-12-30 16:58:46	fenedor	there is an somewhat longer explanation what the hie.yaml file can do
2019-12-30 16:59:02	fenedor	I can answer more specific questions, though :)
2019-12-30 16:59:05	marinelli	after the _hie-bios_ branch of the haskell-ide-engine has been merged into master, vscode+hie does not work anymore with my work main repo
2019-12-30 17:00:30	fenedor	sorry to hear that any specific errors?
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2019-12-30 17:33:10	fenedor	any ideas how to report diagnostics from `runActionWithContext`?
2019-12-30 17:34:44	fenedor	we can not do it like in `setTypecheckedModule` because every function executed in the ghc thread is goes through `runActionWithContext`
2019-12-30 18:05:26	fenedor	lol, our stack hie.yaml cant work for hie itself because of https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/issues/4564
2019-12-30 18:21:25	dxld	lukelau: can you give me some more details about the permission error?
2019-12-30 18:23:06	fenedor	dxld, in c-h can `mkQueryEnv` or `runQuery` throw an IOExcpetion? 0.o
2019-12-30 18:23:18	dxld	I mena getTemporaryDirectory is literally just defined as `fromMaybe "/tmp" <$> lookupEnv "TMPDIR"` on posix
2019-12-30 18:24:00	dxld	why wouldn't it?
2019-12-30 18:24:22	dxld	mkQueryEnv just creates an IORef so I'd be surprised if that throws
2019-12-30 18:24:37	dxld	but runQuery does pretty much everything, so duh
2019-12-30 18:25:23	fenedor	ok, thanks
2019-12-30 18:25:37	fenedor	Then I have to actually catch that
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2019-12-30 18:26:37	dxld	I really hate haskell's execptions :|
2019-12-30 18:27:31	dxld	can you show me what is being thrown exactly? maybe I should handle it internally or something
2019-12-30 18:29:08	fenedor	I just see the message:  (hie-8.6.5: The program 'ghc' version >=7.0.1 is required but it could not be
2019-12-30 18:29:08	fenedor	found.) 
2019-12-30 18:29:25	fenedor	however, the project is a stack only project, so should work
2019-12-30 18:30:25	fenedor	BUT I am not sure this is really a c-h issue. I just think it is because I see the logs just exactly before these two statements: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Cradle.hs#L437
2019-12-30 18:30:28	fenedor	but not afterwards
2019-12-30 18:31:01	dxld	lukelau: now I'm super confused, 'temporary' also just calls getTemporaryDirectory internally...
2019-12-30 18:31:38	dxld	hmmm
2019-12-30 18:32:19	dxld	well yeah that's a Cabal 'configure' error
2019-12-30 18:32:30	dxld	I'm just perplexed as to where the 7.0.1 bound is coming from
2019-12-30 18:32:43	dxld	this isn't on windos by any chance?
2019-12-30 18:33:05	fenedor	nah, according to the logs on linux
2019-12-30 18:33:23	fenedor	it is not happening on my local device, I just see the logs
2019-12-30 18:34:30	dxld	right
2019-12-30 18:34:52	dxld	we need better debug logging
2019-12-30 18:35:25	dxld	in c-h at least
2019-12-30 18:36:31	fenedor	Yeah, good logging is an art.
2019-12-30 18:36:54	fenedor	I always manage to have too many useless messages and not enough good ones
2019-12-30 18:37:15	dxld	I mean ideally you'd be able to log everything and easily filter after the fact
2019-12-30 18:38:11	fenedor	ideally. Practically, I dont know how easily filter our hie logs :D 
2019-12-30 18:38:39	dxld	well that's what I mean, the logging system has to make it easy to filter
2019-12-30 18:38:49	dxld	by including the file/module name or whatnot
2019-12-30 18:38:52	dxld	then you can just grep
2019-12-30 18:40:18	fenedor	yeah.. not a huge fan of hslogger for that reason. Or maybe we are misusing it 
2019-12-30 18:40:44	fenedor	how can we debug this better? Does c-h have logging facilities, too? with CABAL_HELPER_VERBOSE or something?
2019-12-30 18:41:17	dxld	yeah CABAL_HELPER_DEBUG=1 or 2
2019-12-30 18:41:32	dxld	I think 2 will turn up lib:Cabal's logging too
2019-12-30 18:41:42	dxld	so that should give you something to go on
2019-12-30 18:41:44	fenedor	ok, so, 2 is probably too much ;D 
2019-12-30 18:41:53	dxld	no I think it's what you want
2019-12-30 18:42:01	dxld	since this error is likely coming out of cabal
2019-12-30 18:43:09	dxld	=2 is cabal's "normal" log level and =3 is "verbose"
2019-12-30 18:43:19	dxld	though I could be off by one, my log levels are weird
2019-12-30 18:43:46	fenedor	thanks! 
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2019-12-30 18:52:23	alanz	fenedor, diagnostics are just a specific kind of message.
2019-12-30 18:53:48	fenedor	alanz, but I cant send messages from IdeGhcM normally, right?
2019-12-30 18:53:51	alanz	so you should be able to just call "publishDiagnostics" from in the server
2019-12-30 18:54:44	alanz	where in the life-cycle do you want to send them? from the invokation of runActionWithContext?
2019-12-30 18:54:51	alanz	whenever it is run?
2019-12-30 18:55:04	fenedor	yeah
2019-12-30 18:55:16	alanz	That is actually a bad name, it should show that it actually sets up a context from scratch if there is not one
2019-12-30 18:55:20	alanz	Let me take a look
2019-12-30 18:55:36	fenedor	thanks!
2019-12-30 19:01:03	alanz	The important thing is that diagnostics are just a notification, so we can send them at any time.
2019-12-30 19:01:57	alanz	So a simple option is to send a message back to the server input queue from the IdeGhcM thread with diagnostics, whenever/ifever they are generated
2019-12-30 19:03:01	alanz	i.e. extend ReactorInput to include a message which is diagnostics to be forwarded to the client
2019-12-30 19:03:51	alanz	it will mean changing it from a newtype to a data type, wrapping the originals.
2019-12-30 19:04:41	alanz	The other option is to change the API of that thread, to somehow return the diagnostics as part of the callback
2019-12-30 19:05:37	alanz	but then you are intermingling function processing with framework processing. not a good idea. Unless it is somehow wrapped in a library function. Like e.g. runActionWithContext
2019-12-30 19:07:13	alanz	i.e. modify the callbackhandler
2019-12-30 19:09:04	alanz	The only problem is we do not have access to the originating context, for the callbackhandler.
2019-12-30 19:09:28	alanz	We could also just pass in publishDiagnostics, to the thread
2019-12-30 19:09:46	alanz	in similar concept to the callbackhandler.
2019-12-30 19:09:46	fenedor	that sounds nice?
2019-12-30 19:12:06	alanz	I actually think it is the best option.
2019-12-30 19:12:38	alanz	After all my stream-of-consciousness rambling as i looked over the code
2019-12-30 19:13:56	fenedor	so, passing the `publishDiagnostics` thread to `Scheduler.hs` and consequentially to `runActionWithConext`, did I get that right?
2019-12-30 19:15:18	alanz	yes, except publishDiagnostics is a function.  And I think we should have a version that just gets passed the diagnostics to publish, and it must ask for the max to send etc, in case they change during the life of the server
2019-12-30 19:15:20	alanz	which they can
2019-12-30 19:16:27	fenedor	who tells me about the maxToSend?
2019-12-30 19:16:28	alanz	It looks like it is only maxtosend affected by this.
2019-12-30 19:16:53	alanz	It is in the core configuration, which can be changed at any time by the client sending a message
2019-12-30 19:17:30	fenedor	can I access that configuration in MonadIde?
2019-12-30 19:17:30	alanz	we should probably refactor the Server to pull that out in one place only, it is being looked up everywhere
2019-12-30 19:17:37	alanz	then we can use the same function
2019-12-30 19:18:47	alanz	My preference is not to have things reaching into memory of other things. Causes too much entanglement.
2019-12-30 19:19:10	alanz	I personally like the Erlang model, separate processes, each with their own state, communicating via messages
2019-12-30 19:19:34	alanz	Makes it really easy to reason about what is going on, especially in terms of race conditions etc
2019-12-30 19:20:03	fenedor	Can I send any messages between the scheduler thread and config thread?
2019-12-30 19:20:09	fenedor	or which thread holds the config? lsp?
2019-12-30 19:20:20	alanz	The server has the config.
2019-12-30 19:20:33	alanz	And the server sends the message.
2019-12-30 19:21:37	alanz	e.g. https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Server.hs#L921-L935
2019-12-30 19:21:41	fenedor	can the ghc thread maybe publish diagnostics to the Server?
2019-12-30 19:22:05	alanz	Where https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Server.hs#L921-L935
2019-12-30 19:22:19	alanz	Why?
2019-12-30 19:22:57	alanz	This is a relatively rare/slow occurence
2019-12-30 19:23:02	fenedor	I currently dont get how we can get the diagnostics from `runActionWithContext` to the client
2019-12-30 19:23:47	alanz	Ok, sorry, I was looking at it in the context of the IdeGhcM thread, not the single function call context
2019-12-30 19:24:48	alanz	But I would say pass in a "publishDiagnostics :: J.NormalizedUri -> J.TextDocumentVersion -> DiagnosticsBySource -> m ()" function to it
2019-12-30 19:25:14	alanz	So when I use it in HaRe, standalone, I can send in whatever makes sense for my tests
2019-12-30 19:25:30	fenedor	ok, so, pass these to Scheduler.hs, too?
2019-12-30 19:25:37	fenedor	*this
2019-12-30 19:25:44	alanz	yes, will have to pass it through the chain to get to it
2019-12-30 19:26:15	alanz	And add a comment that it is to be used for problems around setting up the context, not anything else
2019-12-30 19:27:02	fenedor	ok, will, thanks
2019-12-30 19:27:25	fenedor	then this is my way to go!
2019-12-30 19:27:40	alanz	great
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2019-12-30 22:53:00	lukelau	dxld: it’s getting the temporary directory fine
2019-12-30 22:53:34	lukelau	its whenever cabal tries to install inside $TMPDIR on mac, it accesses some folder called `$TMPDIR/TemporaryItemz
2019-12-30 22:53:40	lukelau	*TemporaryItems`
2019-12-30 22:54:31	lukelau	which isn’t accessible. creating a folder inside $TMPDIR and running `cabal v2-install` from within it works though
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2019-12-30 22:59:39	lukelau	dxld: here’s the log https://gist.github.com/bubba/c423400647e368f9e52a6fe6231526d5
2019-12-30 23:01:48	fendoer	dxld, fyi, regarding previously, the error *only* happened when cabal installation was on the path that was installed by stack. Ill see if I can reproduce it later
2019-12-30 23:20:36	fendoer	can someone else also not compile hie with cabal atm?
2019-12-30 23:21:16	lukelau	fendoer: I just finished a build now
2019-12-30 23:21:36	fendoer	when was the last time you did cabal update?
2019-12-30 23:25:44	fendoer	lukelau, I just updated and now cabal-helper doesnt build for me anymore, complaining that it indirectly depends on on multiple versions of cabal-plan
2019-12-30 23:26:17	lukelau	uh oh
2019-12-30 23:26:33	lukelau	time to scour the revisions
2019-12-30 23:26:51	fendoer	can you reproduce or is my system?
2019-12-30 23:26:54	fendoer	*is it
2019-12-30 23:28:39	lukelau	no. just did a cabal update and build
2019-12-30 23:28:43	lukelau	on ghc-8.6.5
2019-12-30 23:28:59	lukelau	what’s the error you’re getting?
2019-12-30 23:29:02	fendoer	I am on ghc 8.6.4
2019-12-30 23:29:24	lukelau	did nuking dist-newstyle help?
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2019-12-30 23:29:53	fendor_	lukelau, https://pastebin.com/57RhQSJ1
2019-12-30 23:29:59	fendoer	no, didnt help
2019-12-30 23:30:28	fendoer	such dependencies are installed into ~/.cabal/store, no?
2019-12-30 23:36:06	lukelau	yeah i’d just nuke ~/.cabal/store/ghc-8.6.4
2019-12-30 23:36:12	lukelau	ive already done it twice today
2019-12-30 23:36:28	lukelau	or you could fix it manually?
2019-12-30 23:36:52	lukelau	with `ghc-pkg -f ~/.cabal/store/ghc-8.6.4/package.db unregister cabal-plan-0.5.0.0`
2019-12-30 23:36:54	lukelau	or something like that
2019-12-30 23:37:58	fendoer	ok
2019-12-30 23:42:05	fendoer	can I somehow repair now packages that ought to be broken
2019-12-30 23:42:06	fendoer	?
2019-12-30 23:46:38	fendoer	removing all cabal-helper packages in cabal/store worked
2019-12-30 23:47:32	lukelau	fendoer: yeah I’m not sure how to repair stuff. but usually unregistering packages works for me
2019-12-30 23:47:38	lukelau	for a while anyway before the next thing breaks
2019-12-30 23:47:52	fendoer	weird.
2019-12-30 23:47:59	fendoer	we should rather report those to cabal
2019-12-30 23:57:37	alanz	lukelau, See https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell/issues/56
2019-12-30 23:58:55	lukelau	I saw, i’m confused as to how haskell-lsp was trying to parse `initializationOptions` as a DidChangeConfiguration param though
2019-12-30 23:59:03	lukelau	is it not just a `Aeson.Value` ?
2019-12-30 23:59:45	fendoer	PublishDiagnostics needs access to the Document Version, is that somewhere? In the Virtual File maybe?
2019-12-31 00:02:19	cocreature	fendoer: yep, _lsp_version https://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp-0.19.0.0/docs/Language-Haskell-LSP-VFS.html#t:VirtualFile
2019-12-31 00:02:39	fendoer	cocreature, thank you! 
2019-12-31 00:02:52	fendoer	now lets see if I can access the virtual file
2019-12-31 00:03:19	cocreature	LspFuncs contains getVirtualFileFunc
2019-12-31 00:03:27	cocreature	not quite sure which context you are trying to access it from
2019-12-31 00:03:59	fendoer	In the ghc thread and I actually cant access it directly in the IdeGhcM thread
2019-12-31 00:08:27	alanz	fendoer, if it is a generic problem, we said the diagnostic could be related to the cabal file, or hie.yaml. That is the file to use. And perhaps just leave out the version
2019-12-31 00:09:22	alanz	lukelau, It seems the initialization params have a section which is an any, and has become a place to put the configuration params, despite what that LSP issue says
2019-12-31 00:09:23	fendoer	alanz, Shouldnt we also show the message in the current file to indicate that it could not be loaded?
2019-12-31 00:09:32	alanz	So we try to parse it as that
2019-12-31 00:09:59	alanz	fendoer, perhaps. I am not sure how critical the version is though, maybe take a look at the code
2019-12-31 00:10:37	fendoer	ok
2019-12-31 01:19:05	fendoer	can I somehow print some information from a Unit pt?
2019-12-31 01:41:56	alanz	fendoer, the trick is to pattern match on the input, for each of the types, which makes it monomorphic in each leg
2019-12-31 02:02:00	fendoer	alanz, I think the constructors are not exposed from unit pt or what do you mean?
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2019-12-31 02:23:33	jneira_[m]	I have the same error building cabal-helper (two versions of cabal-plan) with ghc-8.6.5
2019-12-31 02:29:14	jneira_[m]	phadej has a tool to repair the cabal store: https://github.com/phadej/cabal-extras/tree/master/cabal-store-check
2019-12-31 02:30:19	jneira_[m]	I've not tried it though
2019-12-31 02:31:00	jneira_[m]	Cc fendoer
2019-12-31 02:32:45	fendoer	jneira_[m], oh cool, thank! I have even built that project!
2019-12-31 02:39:51	fendoer	*thank you
2019-12-31 02:43:09	alanz	fendoer: something like in https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/blob/5b6cefdbe03ebc4ec6451751fbaba72cab663766/lib/Distribution/Helper.hs#L809
2019-12-31 02:44:16	alanz	By matching on each leg, you know what pt is in the leg. There are also functions to provide the info, in there, maybe.
2019-12-31 02:44:27	alanz	Ask dxld 
2019-12-31 02:45:32	fendoer	ok :/
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2019-12-31 05:30:16	lukelau	alanz: so clients are mistakenly sending in the didchangeconfiguration params inside the initializationOptions?
2019-12-31 05:30:22	lukelau	am i understanding this right?
2019-12-31 05:31:26	lukelau	I don’t really know whats going on that pr but I’m happy for it to be merged if its needed to fix the issue
2019-12-31 05:31:59	alanz	lukelau, yes, and the spec is ambiguous about it.
2019-12-31 05:32:08	alanz	But it does seem to be common practice.
2019-12-31 05:32:16	lukelau	Ah ok
2019-12-31 05:32:22	lukelau	Either way though how come it was giving a parse error
2019-12-31 05:32:42	lukelau	Oh wait
2019-12-31 05:32:43	lukelau	I see
2019-12-31 05:32:46	alanz	e.g. a number of the emacs-lsp language clients do it. But I had mistakenly put junk into the haskell one, which was benign, but we now return the error
2019-12-31 05:33:03	lukelau	Should we change `onInitialConfiguration :: J.InitializeRequest -> Either T.Text config` to just `onInitialConfiguration :: J.InitializeRequest -> Either T.Text Value`
2019-12-31 05:33:04	lukelau	?
2019-12-31 05:33:23	alanz	Via https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell/pull/60
2019-12-31 05:33:40	alanz	I have been racking my brains around it.
2019-12-31 05:34:03	alanz	And i have a feeling that if it succeeds in parsing a legitimate config, and setting it, it should be fine.
2019-12-31 05:34:10	lukelau	yeah
2019-12-31 05:34:21	lukelau	So the haskell-lsp PR shouldnt be needed then?
2019-12-31 05:34:28	alanz	But perhaps we should no report an error in the reply value if it fails.
2019-12-31 05:34:51	lukelau	I don’t think it should try and parse it in the first place no?
2019-12-31 05:34:54	alanz	Because if it is used correctly, then it should be parsed in the initialize handler
2019-12-31 05:35:11	alanz	Well, the reality is that clients out there are using it to set up initial config
2019-12-31 05:35:16	lukelau	I’m just noticing now that the type signature says it should be a config. But the spec doesn’t say it is the same thing as the config right?
2019-12-31 05:35:23	alanz	So we should not gratuitously break that
2019-12-31 05:35:30	lukelau	They can always parse back from a J.Value
2019-12-31 05:35:57	alanz	yes, but we have onStartup, and the actual handler that can parse it in the server context if needed.
2019-12-31 05:36:24	alanz	We try to parse that specific field as config. It works for some servers, that use the "convention", but not for others.
2019-12-31 05:37:39	lukelau	ah ok
2019-12-31 05:37:49	lukelau	that seems fair to me then. it’s a best attempt type approach
2019-12-31 05:39:21	alanz	The key thing is that if it is used properly (as per https://github.com/microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues/567#issuecomment-448179448), then that parsing *will* fail
2019-12-31 05:39:57	alanz	so we need to perhaps just log something in that case, but not return an error message, that is displayed to the user.
2019-12-31 05:40:10	alanz	Since it should be separately parsed by the handler
2019-12-31 05:41:07	alanz	An option I considered is that we pass in a second parameter to the main structure in haskell-lsp, for that as a type.
2019-12-31 05:41:23	alanz	Then if the type params are the same, we update the config, else we update a field for that.
2019-12-31 05:41:34	alanz	Not sure how practical that is though
2019-12-31 05:42:12	alanz	Here: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Core.hs#L78-L92
2019-12-31 05:42:57	lukelau	that seems a bit overkill
2019-12-31 05:43:24	lukelau	to me, it just seems that initializationOptions and configurationOptions are two separate things and should be treated as such
2019-12-31 05:43:44	alanz	except that way it works now is convenient.
2019-12-31 05:43:50	lukelau	indeed
2019-12-31 05:43:57	lukelau	i wasn’t even aware that they were separate things
2019-12-31 05:44:06	alanz	The other option is to make that handler optional, and only include it in the case where they are the same
2019-12-31 05:44:42	alanz	There are lots of details buried in the spec, which only become apparent if you look really closely
2019-12-31 05:44:53	alanz	and dig into the background discussion.
2019-12-31 05:47:35	alanz	But I have fixed the initial cause of the problem, in the emacs haskell lsp client, so this is not urgent now, we can take our time and come up with a proper solution.
2019-12-31 05:47:49	alanz	And I also want to hear from other users of haskell-lsp.
2019-12-31 05:48:08	alanz	We should maybe ask people to list themselves on it, so we can discuss stuff if needed.
2019-12-31 05:48:17	alanz	list the projects using it.
2019-12-31 05:49:31	alanz	lukelau, wrt to testing that caching
2019-12-31 05:49:56	alanz	(https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1526)
2019-12-31 05:50:46	alanz	perhaps we need to add some telemetry messages, and get lsp-test to be able to handle assertions around them
2019-12-31 05:50:52	alanz	As a general mechanism
2019-12-31 05:51:41	alanz	https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specifications/specification-3-14/#telemetry_event
2019-12-31 05:53:48	alanz	added that to the issue as well, for wider discussion
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2019-12-31 16:38:26	alanz	I finally watch Neil Mitchell
2019-12-31 16:38:35	alanz	s Munihac hie-core keynote
2019-12-31 16:38:44	alanz	and now very excited to see how we can integrate
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2019-12-31 16:58:50	alanz	And if I load ghcide into hie, it works better if I remove hie.yaml, because then it gives me info on the exe/Main.hs, and the lib stuff.  Which is the whole point of cabal-helper
2019-12-31 16:59:18	alanz	And in defence perhaps ghcide needs a multi-cradle
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2019-12-31 17:02:01	fenedor	alanz, ghcide can not work with multi-cradle
2019-12-31 17:03:21	alanz	I am talking about opening the ghcide project inside hie :)
2019-12-31 17:03:37	alanz	I am starting to look at it, using the tools I am familiar with. 
2019-12-31 17:03:58	alanz	And just writing an issue to auto-gen multi-cradle entries, inside hie.
2019-12-31 17:04:16	fenedor	Oh, wrong direction then :)
2019-12-31 17:04:27	fenedor	yeah, multi-cradle would be needed, probably
2019-12-31 17:06:45	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1529
2019-12-31 17:08:35	fenedor	I was thinking the same. We already have a Cabal file parser, right?
2019-12-31 17:13:53	alanz	I think so, in particular I think one is built in to cabal 3.0
2019-12-31 17:14:02	alanz	a new, fancy one, that is
2019-12-31 17:16:44	fenedor	cool. Dont what qualifies as fancy, but usable is good enough for me
2019-12-31 17:18:29	alanz	I think phadej was working on it.
2019-12-31 17:19:12	fenedor	I love the cabal-env phadej is working on
2019-12-31 17:19:37	alanz	I have not looked yet. Too many good things happening
2019-12-31 17:19:45	alanz	What is it for?
2019-12-31 17:20:13	alanz	It is now https://github.com/phadej/cabal-extras
2019-12-31 17:20:15	fenedor	just like a nix-shell
2019-12-31 17:20:19	fenedor	yeah
2019-12-31 17:21:05	fenedor	it is like a nix-shell for haskell packages
2019-12-31 17:21:36	fenedor	you can do something like cabal-env Array massiv and then you can open ghci and have exactly these packages in scope
2019-12-31 17:21:48	alanz	sounds good.
2019-12-31 17:22:08	alanz	I think nix has been a big driver of what is possible, and being emulated everywhere.
2019-12-31 17:25:11	fenedor	yeah, it is pretty neat
2019-12-31 18:00:43	fenedor	I hope we can fix https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1490 before the release
2019-12-31 18:05:55	fenedor	And till when is the deadline for the release to land a PR? Better c-h errors would be nice before the release
2019-12-31 18:06:01	fenedor	2-3 right?
2019-12-31 18:25:33	alanz	fenedor, no great rush, I generally try to do it in the first few days after the month changes. So kind of next weekend.
2019-12-31 18:25:49	alanz	But there are massive changes with hie-bios, so we can delay a day or so.
2019-12-31 18:26:08	alanz	My view is to rather release on schedule, but warn people that they may prefer the prior version
2019-12-31 18:33:42	fenedor	yeah, make sense
2019-12-31 18:34:03	fenedor	but I would like to solve the most glaring issues, before release
2019-12-31 18:34:28	alanz	emacs-lsp now hovers on symbols https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/DHD4rubP/Screenshot%20from%202019-12-31%2013-03-12.png
2019-12-31 18:35:09	alanz	fenedor, agree, but I think the monthly rythm is the most important thing, tbh 
2019-12-31 18:35:22	alanz	break that, and we end up postponing forever
2019-12-31 18:37:07	fenedor	yeah I know, that is why I asked about the next release :) 
2019-12-31 18:37:13	alanz	I also like how you can highlight a region in emacs-lsp, and the hover shows the type of that region
2019-12-31 18:40:35	fenedor	yeah that is cool. I think we can support that quite easily, too, assuming lsp gives us the required info
2019-12-31 18:42:26	alanz	We already support it, I am using it in emacs.
2019-12-31 18:42:39	alanz	And I am pretty sure it is a feature we copied from vscode
2019-12-31 18:42:57	alanz	just a way of passing the hover request, iirc
2019-12-31 18:43:21	fenedor	really? Dont think it works in vscode
2019-12-31 18:43:27	alanz	https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specifications/specification-3-14/#textDocument_hover
2019-12-31 18:43:27	fenedor	or havent noticed it yet
2019-12-31 18:43:33	alanz	the range gets used for that
2019-12-31 18:44:35	alanz	https://github.com/microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues/377
2019-12-31 18:44:52	alanz	That issue shows it as incomplete, but the range was added
2019-12-31 18:46:12	alanz	hmm, no it is not added. I think we just return a bunch of stuff. 
2019-12-31 18:46:23	alanz	I wonder how it does work. Time to dig
2019-12-31 18:46:39	fenedor	ok, but we are not supporting it in hie, right? At least I only get the regular hover stuff
2019-12-31 18:48:32	fenedor	Since I just read it, do we actually have any connection to haskero devs? 
2019-12-31 18:48:41	alanz	it seems that emacs-lsp sends a hover request for all positions, so if you put the cursor on say open paren, it shows the type of the paren expression
2019-12-31 18:49:04	alanz	haskero? no. That is just a client shim around intero, for vscode
2019-12-31 18:49:19	alanz	and I think intero has been abandoned/deprecated/put on the back burner
2019-12-31 18:50:14	fenedor	yeah intero is abandoned
2019-12-31 18:51:01	alanz	as I understand it, for the good reason that there are now other good options
2019-12-31 18:53:41	 *	alanz stepping out for a bit
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2019-12-31 20:19:36	fenedor	lukelau, what you say to the following predicates: `isCabalV2FileProject` `isCabalProject`?
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2019-12-31 21:38:47	alanz	why not `isCabalV1Project`? The one is not a superset, is it?
2019-12-31 21:43:09	lukelau	fenedor alanz: yeah i think they are two distinct things
2019-12-31 21:43:37	alanz	v1, v2, cabal? or just v1, v2?
2019-12-31 21:43:49	lukelau	v1,v2
2019-12-31 21:43:57	lukelau	at least the way c-h seems to treat them
2019-12-31 21:44:31	alanz	ok, so to me that seems a more consistent naming then
2019-12-31 21:44:43	lukelau	i still think we should be sorting the projects inside cradle.hs rather than using the order that c-h gives us
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2019-12-31 22:06:11	alanz	lukelau, explain what you mean
2019-12-31 22:06:22	alanz	first, what is a "project"?
2019-12-31 22:07:09	lukelau	alanz: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/cabal-helper-1.0.0.0/docs/Distribution-Helper.html#t:ProjLoc
2019-12-31 22:07:16	lukelau	what we call cradles essentially
2019-12-31 22:07:34	alanz	ok
2019-12-31 22:07:50	lukelau	we use c-h to discover the projects: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/cabal-helper-1.0.0.0/docs/src/Distribution.Helper.Discover.html#findProjects
2019-12-31 22:08:07	lukelau	and just take the first one
2019-12-31 22:08:16	lukelau	provided that the stack or cabal is installed etc.
2019-12-31 22:08:27	lukelau	we should probably sort these ourselves once we get them back
2019-12-31 22:08:49	lukelau	so we prefer ProjLocStackYaml, then ProjLocCabalV2File, then ProjLocCabalV2Dir etc.
2019-12-31 22:10:35	alanz	I am keen to make those available as a choice to the user, via a code action, or the like
2019-12-31 22:13:26	alanz	lukelau, do you know about https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specifications/specification-3-14/#window_showMessageRequest? We could send one of those.
2019-12-31 22:13:40	alanz	and then load whatever is selected
2019-12-31 22:13:44	lukelau	ah thats a pretty good use for it
2019-12-31 22:14:54	lukelau	we really need to add infrastructure for doing LSP stuff outside of IdeM
2019-12-31 22:15:00	alanz	It might be obtrusive though
2019-12-31 22:15:08	lukelau	i.e. so we can send one of those calls in findCradle
2019-12-31 22:15:11	lukelau	*requests
2019-12-31 22:15:25	lukelau	alanz: as long as we only ask it once and persist it somewhere
2019-12-31 22:15:55	alanz	It struck me yesterday that the internal architecture of hie is built around being able to support multiple transports, hence a lot of the separation of concerns.
2019-12-31 22:16:09	lukelau	another option would be to add a configuration field to order preferred projects
2019-12-31 22:16:21	alanz	But that said, having a guaranteed fast main loop, handing off to the other two still makes sense, to me at least
2019-12-31 22:17:02	lukelau	alanz: yeah i think we still need to keep that. but just moving the LSP stuff higher up so that things like the dispatcher/cradle logic has access to lspfuncs
2019-12-31 22:17:05	alanz	What we could do is ask that the first time, then persist it, perhaps to a hie file
2019-12-31 22:17:12	lukelau	a hie.yaml file?
2019-12-31 22:17:31	alanz	but then I would like to be able to explicitly say "use cabal-v2, but via cabal-helper"
2019-12-31 22:17:50	alanz	I think there is an issue for that, not sure if in hie or hie-bios
2019-12-31 22:18:08	alanz	Because right now I find c-h better able to sort out projects for me, in quick look mode
2019-12-31 22:18:08	lukelau	that seems like we should fix that first because I ran into that limitation when trying to make a test case for c-h discovery
2019-12-31 22:18:16	alanz	yes
2019-12-31 22:18:49	alanz	the hie.yaml format is deliberately open, so maybe we can just do it that way, without messing with other users of it
2019-12-31 22:19:06	lukelau	the configuration route by the way might be interesting, since some clients like vscode allow you to have a global configuration and workspace configuration
2019-12-31 22:19:24	lukelau	so you could have a global preference of cabal-v2, but then for one project specify that you want to use stack
2019-12-31 22:19:43	alanz	definitely
2019-12-31 22:20:13	alanz	Maybe we could accept that as a config param too. Although that imposes UI problems.
2019-12-31 22:20:34	alanz	Ideally, 99% of the time you should be able to work out what component a file belongs to when you open it.
2019-12-31 22:20:41	alanz	as c-h always used to do
2019-12-31 22:21:04	alanz	there are weird corner case overlap ones, but that is where hie-bios comes into its own
2019-12-31 22:21:34	alanz	I almost feel we could construct a virtual hie-bios file from cabal-helper
2019-12-31 22:22:29	alanz	another variant  of https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1529, where we just implicitly use the generated file, without writing it out
2019-12-31 22:27:56	alanz	lukelau, thinking about it, having a tie-break preference set between stack and cabal via config would be a good thing.
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2019-12-31 23:19:38	alanz	https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/issues/120
2019-12-31 23:19:51	alanz	not sure if that idea is bonkers
2020-01-01 01:17:36	fendoer	btw, a project is not a cradle. A component is a cradle. 
2020-01-01 01:18:05	fendoer	But a project consists of multiple components, thus, multiple cradles
2020-01-01 03:24:30	jneira_[m]	I would say that maximum configurability would be given by a ordered list of possible cradle types
2020-01-01 03:27:50	jneira_[m]	And expose it as a global+project config option in the editor and as a cli option
2020-01-01 03:28:09	jneira_[m]	But maybe too much complexity
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2020-01-01 18:06:09	fenedor	jneira, happy new year! nice job closing all these issues!
2020-01-01 19:03:04	alanz	so, bristol hackathon activity is going to be focused on ghcide/hie-core/haskell-ide-integration, with ndm attending too
2020-01-01 19:03:42	alanz	or part of it, anyway. The bit I will be focusing on
2020-01-01 19:06:43	fenedor	cool! 
2020-01-01 19:07:43	fenedor	very excited for improvements
2020-01-01 19:10:44	fenedor	what does the diagnostics thread do? Just request diagnostics every 350ms?
2020-01-01 19:11:00	fenedor	Could I use the diagIn queue to write diagnostics to?
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2020-01-01 22:33:25	fenedor	yes, can reclaim my username now
2020-01-01 22:33:41	alanz	fenedor, the diagnostics thread is an accumulator, like nagles algorithm in TCP. it waits for at least 350ms since the last change received, before requesting diagnostics
2020-01-01 22:34:00	alanz	otherwise it launches a new compile on every keystroke, which bogs things down completely.
2020-01-01 22:34:11	fenedor	Ah, I see
2020-01-01 22:34:13	fenedor	makes sense
2020-01-01 22:34:21	fenedor	So, this does not help me
2020-01-01 22:34:29	alanz	I understand ghcide does react to every keystroke, but then kills the compile with an interrupt when the next one comes in
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2020-01-01 22:36:04	fenedor	Hm, this seems to be friendlier for the CPU
2020-01-01 22:36:37	fenedor	still, I struggle to understand how to properly define the function to publish the diagnostics. 
2020-01-01 22:36:52	fenedor	Since it currently is in IO, it cant access the clientConfig.
2020-01-01 22:37:11	alanz	Do you have a WIP branch? I can make a PR on it, if you like.
2020-01-01 22:37:26	fenedor	alanz, sure, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1522 would love that
2020-01-01 22:37:29	alanz	I think the simplest might be do inject it as a message into the main look
2020-01-01 22:37:30	alanz	loop
2020-01-01 22:37:43	alanz	ok, will take a look a bit later, have to do one or two things now
2020-01-01 22:38:09	fenedor	ok, thank you! Then I ll do other stuff, too and hope that I finally understand what you mean with the pr!
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2020-01-01 23:35:42	alanz	fendor, see https://github.com/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/pull/5
2020-01-01 23:36:16	alanz	test suite passes using cabal new-test
2020-01-01 23:37:02	fendor	oh wow. You even fixed the tests :O
2020-01-01 23:37:18	fendor	so, this reroutes the diagnostics to all go through the reactor 
2020-01-01 23:38:51	fendor	thank you!
2020-01-01 23:39:07	alanz	yes, that way you do not clobber anything, and have access to all the right stuff, no race conditions
2020-01-01 23:39:19	alanz	and no shared state
2020-01-01 23:39:40	alanz	I am coming to the conclusion that IORefs (and friends) are evil
2020-01-01 23:39:59	alanz	Or rather, should be used very very sparingly
2020-01-01 23:42:36	fendor	I agree, and this is indeed a very clean solution. I initially didnt like to modify reactor, but this way we have maximum control and logging gives us even more
2020-01-01 23:44:59	alanz	exactly. And it fits in with the original architecture, so very little additional cognitive load to understand it
2020-01-01 23:46:45	fendor	yeah, and we can extend it even further, so other threads can submit events, too
2020-01-01 23:47:53	alanz	precisely
2020-01-01 23:49:14	alanz	dxld, fendor: opening haskell-ide-engine Server.hs using cabal-helper (no hie.yaml, dist-newstyle), does a *lot* of unneccesary work: https://gist.github.com/alanz/cf8838049312720bed6efa5d9da844f2
2020-01-01 23:51:44	fendor	yeah, it starts for some reason with test units 
2020-01-01 23:52:32	alanz	I did enable tests. My main concern is that it reconfigures everything for every target it considers, including sub-libraries
2020-01-01 23:53:02	alanz	This is where the hie-bios approach might help, to map files to components, so less work needs to be done each time
2020-01-01 23:54:21	alanz	But what I do like about using cabal-helper, is I can switch buffers between Server.hs and something from hie-plugin-api and it does not recompile the world, just gives me the hover etc info as I expect
2020-01-01 23:55:06	alanz	where with hie-bios (and that hie.yaml i published) it grinds away for ages, and then hangs
2020-01-01 23:55:16	fendor	but it only recompiles the world once? Or rather the time it takes to execute cabal v2-repl
2020-01-01 23:55:21	fendor	wait, why does it hang?
2020-01-01 23:55:54	alanz	I'm not sure. But it looks like nothing is reused/cached, and if you switch files causing a different cradle to be used, it starts from fresh each time
2020-01-01 23:56:09	alanz	And then the hie server gets unresponsive
2020-01-01 23:56:16	fendor	something is wrong
2020-01-01 23:56:19	fendor	should not happen
2020-01-01 23:56:38	alanz	My experiments with the cabal based hie.yaml, as per current master. hie.yaml.cbl
2020-01-01 23:57:17	dxld	alanz: well c-h is explicitly designed only to reconfigure what's requested
2020-01-01 23:57:32	dxld	so you guys must be requesting all or a lot of components in sequence
2020-01-01 23:58:03	dxld	not sure where the code interfacing with c-h is these days
2020-01-01 23:58:19	alanz	nor me, just starting to look again.
2020-01-01 23:58:21	fendor	yeah we are, we get all units and then configure them one by one in the hope that the configured unit exposes the module
2020-01-01 23:58:31	fendor	All code is in Cradle.hs
2020-01-01 23:58:56	fendor	dxld, side question, do I have a way to pretty print a `Unit pt` somehow?
2020-01-01 23:59:00	alanz	This is where the hie-core stuff might help, in terms of caching things
2020-01-02 00:00:01	dxld	how about using `show` :)
2020-01-02 00:00:37	fendor	that is very far away from being pretty :P
2020-01-02 00:00:48	dxld	hehe
2020-01-02 00:00:48	fendor	most users wont be able to understand it
2020-01-02 00:00:51	dxld	depends on what you want to see
2020-01-02 00:01:05	dxld	the target name and such?
2020-01-02 00:01:12	fendor	yeah, that would be great
2020-01-02 00:01:26	fendor	so that people could retry in the terminal what isnt working, for example
2020-01-02 00:01:28	dxld	problem with that is it might be "" 
2020-01-02 00:01:38	fendor	when is it empty?
2020-01-02 00:02:07	dxld	the unitid at least
2020-01-02 00:02:18	dxld	because v1 doesn't have the unit concept
2020-01-02 00:02:22	dxld	or maybe it was stack
2020-01-02 00:02:26	fendor	 if I cant show stuff, then I cant show stuff, but in the best case, I wanna show as much human readable information as possible
2020-01-02 00:02:40	dxld	point is you have to come up with a way to print it for each proj type
2020-01-02 00:03:10	alanz	dxld, side question (when you have finished with fendor):I presume you won't be able to be in Bristol the end of this month for mpickering's hackathon?
2020-01-02 00:03:23	fendor	dxld, that is fine
2020-01-02 00:03:36	dxld	I had a look
2020-01-02 00:03:45	dxld	I guess if you guys are going I might
2020-01-02 00:04:03	fendor	we only truly support three types of projects, right now, CabalV2 CabalV2Dir and stack
2020-01-02 00:04:16	alanz	so far it is at least me, mpickering, ndm. Around the hie/hie-core/ghcide stuff
2020-01-02 00:04:31	dxld	printing a UnitInfo would be so much easier..
2020-01-02 00:04:49	fendor	but I dont have a unitinfo if I failed to configure it
2020-01-02 00:04:57	dxld	the problem is that v1 and stack are pretty opaque since we don't have a plan.json equivalent
2020-01-02 00:05:04	dxld	exactly
2020-01-02 00:05:23	dxld	so I guess maybe just print the distdir in that case or something
2020-01-02 00:06:23	fendor	When I catch the IOException, I can also print it, which is normally the failed command
2020-01-02 00:06:53	 *	alanz opening another file in the same module is lightning fast, nor reconfiguring
2020-01-02 00:07:21	fendor	once the cradles are established, everything works instantly, since no cradle loading is happening
2020-01-02 00:07:44	dxld	oh neat
2020-01-02 00:07:52	dxld	I fixed the (UnitId "") case
2020-01-02 00:08:05	dxld	so just printing the UnitId might just be viable
2020-01-02 00:08:29	dxld	it's the package name for v1 and stack and for v2 it's that gross fully qualified string
2020-01-02 00:08:38	dxld	might be able to just print the component name(s) in the v2 case
2020-01-02 00:09:15	fendor	Yeah, component name should be possible 
2020-01-02 00:09:30	fendor	I mean, that is still gross output, but we can pretty print that, too :)
2020-01-02 00:09:30	dxld	so that should give you what you want
2020-01-02 00:09:41	fendor	can I access the UnitId if configuring failed?
2020-01-02 00:09:47	dxld	well at least you can stick that right back into cabal
2020-01-02 00:10:01	dxld	yeah, it's just in the Unit
2020-01-02 00:10:06	dxld	though not exposed
2020-01-02 00:10:09	fendor	yeah
2020-01-02 00:11:53	dxld	so let's add a function  ppUnit Unit{uImpl=UnitImplV1} = "package " ++ pkg_name; ppUnit Unit{uImpl=UnitImplV2{uiV2ComponentNames=[comp]} = "component " ++ comp ...
2020-01-02 00:12:07	dxld	something along those lines anyways
2020-01-02 00:12:47	dxld	there could, in theory, be multiple components too. but cabal doesn't do that currently
2020-01-02 00:13:24	dxld	the pkg_name is in pPackageName.uPackage
2020-01-02 00:13:59	dxld	v2 should probably mention the package name too, like: "component 'exe:foo' of package 'bar'"
2020-01-02 00:14:59	dxld	alanz: about the bristol thing; my main problem is the timing. We have a deadline at the end of Jan :/
2020-01-02 00:15:17	dxld	not sure I should go galavanting about the UK then :)
2020-01-02 00:15:39	dxld	s/we/I/
2020-01-02 00:16:33	fendor	dxld, unsure if I like the idea of a pretty printing function. It would be nice if we can customize the message
2020-01-02 00:16:59	dxld	problem is new project types will mess you up then
2020-01-02 00:17:06	dxld	though I guess they already would anyways
2020-01-02 00:17:24	fendor	how? Cant I check myself the package type and format the message accordingly?
2020-01-02 00:17:28	dxld	I just don't want to expose too much stuff yet
2020-01-02 00:17:34	fendor	I understand
2020-01-02 00:17:43	fendor	that is why I am asking.
2020-01-02 00:17:50	fendor	Because we need some information to help the users
2020-01-02 00:17:57	dxld	I just don't really see a use-case where a generic format like the above wouldn't work?
2020-01-02 00:18:29	fendor	some people maybe dont know what packages and components are
2020-01-02 00:18:48	dxld	what do you propose to print in that case then?
2020-01-02 00:18:54	fendor	Not sure yet
2020-01-02 00:19:02	fendor	Error messages are hard
2020-01-02 00:19:04	dxld	"_"
2020-01-02 00:19:24	dxld	I mean we can just do accessor functions instead
2020-01-02 00:19:30	fendor	My goal would be that people can deduce from the error message what went wrong and how they can fix it
2020-01-02 00:20:27	fendor	that might include example calls, like "Invocation of `cabal build exe:hie` failed"
2020-01-02 00:20:45	fendor	accessor functions are more flexible
2020-01-02 00:21:30	dxld	just add uPackageName then uComponentName is already there
2020-01-02 00:21:46	dxld	though we might want an accessor for multiple components, if cabal ever starts doing that
2020-01-02 00:22:57	dxld	oh no, it already does that in the "legacy fallback" case
2020-01-02 00:23:03	dxld	for custom Setup.hs'en
2020-01-02 00:23:08	fendor	I got confused again, What is the hierarchy in cabal again? Package > component > units? And in the case of cabal v1: Package > component = unit?
2020-01-02 00:23:12	dxld	there multiple components are lumped into one dist-dir
2020-01-02 00:24:12	dxld	a package has multiple components each of which corresponds to exactly one unit
2020-01-02 00:24:17	dxld	but a unit might have multiple components
2020-01-02 00:25:55	fendor	so, a unit might belong to multiple components?
2020-01-02 00:26:34	dxld	the other way around: a unit is a group of components
2020-01-02 00:27:01	fendor	So, Package > (component = unit) > components?
2020-01-02 00:27:27	dxld	ideally just one in the modern v2 case without custom Setup.hs using too-old a version of lib:Cabal :)
2020-01-02 00:27:51	dxld	i'm not sure what you're trying to express with that notation
2020-01-02 00:28:39	fendor	idk, I just try to make sense of it. So with Cabal 3.0, a package consists of multiple components that maps to exactly one unit?
2020-01-02 00:28:48	dxld	ideally
2020-01-02 00:29:31	fendor	only in case of a custom Setup.hs not?
2020-01-02 00:29:52	dxld	you have to think of this as two seperate relations
2020-01-02 00:30:03	dxld	in the modern case the mapping is both ways and 1:1
2020-01-02 00:30:18	dxld	but in the legacy case you have multiple components in one unit
2020-01-02 00:30:32	dxld	but the components still correspond to exactly one unit
2020-01-02 00:31:29	dxld	the legacy case happens when you have a custom Setup.hs in a package which is using a version of lib:Cabal that doesn't have the appropriate support for normal v2 builds yet
2020-01-02 00:31:43	dxld	so in that case cabal treats the project like v1-build would
2020-01-02 00:32:01	dxld	building all components in one invocation of Setup.hs
2020-01-02 00:32:14	dxld	it's all super weird
2020-01-02 00:32:48	fendor	ok, so, I dont have to feel dumb to asking this question repeatedly?
2020-01-02 00:32:51	fendor	*for
2020-01-02 00:32:53	dxld	for the UI concern you just need to handle the case where a Unit can return multiple components :)
2020-01-02 00:33:05	dxld	no, no
2020-01-02 00:33:15	dxld	I still don't 100% get why it has to be like this
2020-01-02 00:33:20	dxld	it's just how it is :P
2020-01-02 00:33:36	fendor	I assume it is reflected in the types and I am forced to do it
2020-01-02 00:33:50	dxld	I remembered it wrong earlier too ;)
2020-01-02 00:33:57	dxld	well sort of
2020-01-02 00:34:07	dxld	right now the components in a unit are just not exposed :P
2020-01-02 00:34:14	dxld	to shield you from possibly doing it wrong
2020-01-02 00:34:31	dxld	there is uComponentName but as the docs say it's only for optimization purposes
2020-01-02 00:34:47	dxld	but what you want for error reporting goes beyond that
2020-01-02 00:34:54	dxld	which is why I wanted to just hand you a string
2020-01-02 00:34:58	alanz	dxld, if you can't make it it should be ok, there is going to be plenty of discussion and work in progress for a while
2020-01-02 00:35:00	dxld	so it can't be misused
2020-01-02 00:35:36	dxld	(easily)
2020-01-02 00:35:43	fendor	dxld, reasonable, but I can imagine that the string is too detailed for beginners, which may see this error 
2020-01-02 00:35:51	dxld	tbh
2020-01-02 00:36:03	dxld	a single component might be enough to represent the whole lot of them
2020-01-02 00:36:35	dxld	though I'm not sure about that point; I might just be thinking in terms of `Setup.hs configure`
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2020-01-02 00:36:50	dxld	where any one of the components will cause the same configuration call to happen
2020-01-02 00:36:57	dxld	so it doesn't matter which one you pass to cabal
2020-01-02 00:37:05	dxld	but for building that's different
2020-01-02 00:37:24	dxld	cabal does pass the components you request on to Setup.hs which then only builds those component
2020-01-02 00:37:45	dxld	and there just isn't a way to request the unit itself 
2020-01-02 00:37:56	dxld	because cabal doesn't expose the UnitIds in the commandline interface
2020-01-02 00:38:05	dxld	only component names (aka targets)
2020-01-02 00:38:48	dxld	so as an approximation of that what I do is pass all component names
2020-01-02 00:38:54	fendor	targets are better for displaying info, are they not? they look somewhat familiar 
2020-01-02 00:38:58	dxld	so for the user to replicate the failure they would have to do the same
2020-01-02 00:39:18	dxld	sure but when you get a string ten targets long it becomes a bit unwieldy
2020-01-02 00:39:30	dxld	a simple (short) unitid would be easier
2020-01-02 00:39:41	dxld	but I understand why they don't want to expose those to users
2020-01-02 00:39:49	dxld	they become unwieldy too with backback involved
2020-01-02 00:40:10	dxld	tbh. what I would do is just print the command that failed :)
2020-01-02 00:40:22	dxld	it's much easier than trying to explain any of this in an error message
2020-01-02 00:40:41	dxld	a failed command is at least something that should be familliar to most users
2020-01-02 00:40:55	dxld	you copy and paste it, test it out yourself and then think about why it's failing
2020-01-02 00:41:01	fendor	dxld, yeah we will do that since we catch that exception that contains the command
2020-01-02 00:41:07	dxld	but you can see that hie/c-h has nothing to do with it in this case
2020-01-02 00:41:32	dxld	if the helper invocation fails thats different I guess but still being able to see the command and try it helps I think
2020-01-02 00:41:49	fendor	there would be still another case, when we have exhausted all units and none of them exposes the module
2020-01-02 00:41:52	dxld	we might want to mention that re-running the commands is encouraged and supported
2020-01-02 00:42:09	fendor	which commands?
2020-01-02 00:42:28	dxld	cabal build / cabal-helper's helper etc
2020-01-02 00:43:32	dxld	can that even happen?
2020-01-02 00:43:38	dxld	or rather when might that happen?
2020-01-02 00:43:47	dxld	when say a test component isn't enabled?
2020-01-02 00:44:35	fendor	you can not invoke c-h yourself in hie. c-h is triggered is we are trying to find the compile flags for a unit
2020-01-02 00:44:50	dxld	well yeah
2020-01-02 00:44:57	fendor	you can re-trigger it every-time you modify a file and we could not obtain the compile flags until then
2020-01-02 00:45:04	dxld	but users still see the error output, no?
2020-01-02 00:45:10	fendor	yeah, wiuth lsp
2020-01-02 00:45:13	fendor	*with
2020-01-02 00:47:11	dxld	so what's the problem then?
2020-01-02 00:47:42	fendor	The problem is providing a good error message and providing all the information possible so that users can fix their problem
2020-01-02 00:47:51	dxld	what I'm saying is trying to explain the situation in terms people that don't understand their build tool is kinda futile
2020-01-02 00:49:15	dxld	so the best we can do is give users the thing that failed, usually a cabal command or whatever, and let them figure it out from there
2020-01-02 00:49:31	fendor	yeah, I agree that is a good start
2020-01-02 00:49:37	dxld	I guess we could try to add more error recovery for common failure modes, but then we have to formalize what those might be
2020-01-02 00:49:45	dxld	but that is already what I do :P
2020-01-02 00:50:07	fendor	but people are learning, so, giving as much help as possible would be nice
2020-01-02 00:50:15	dxld	maybe the errors could be better than the default readProcess etc. format
2020-01-02 00:50:15	fendor	I know that we cant do it perfectly.
2020-01-02 00:50:24	fendor	for example, yeah
2020-01-02 00:50:47	dxld	I'm also happy to rework the error reporting to give HIE more info on what's going on
2020-01-02 00:51:23	dxld	that is really just a matter of figuring out where failures tend to happen and what info we want to ship to it in those cases
2020-01-02 00:51:59	dxld	like if the helper compilation fails you might want package/version info for the things involved
2020-01-02 00:52:02	dxld	or some such
2020-01-02 00:52:32	fendor	that sounds awesome.
2020-01-02 00:52:40	dxld	but we just have to start writing down the debugging flow in those cases and optimize information availability accordingly
2020-01-02 00:52:47	fendor	yeah
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2020-01-02 00:56:22	fendor	For now, I will resort to showing the IOException
2020-01-02 00:56:55	dxld	just in the stderr stream or like as a diagnostic or something?
2020-01-02 00:57:08	fendor	no, as a diagnostic that is displayed in the client
2020-01-02 00:57:14	dxld	I'm just worried the problem with lsp servers is that this sort of thing gets lost in the error stream
2020-01-02 00:57:30	dxld	and even if you show the ioe a lot of context from the stderr stream is going to be missing..
2020-01-02 00:57:48	dxld	at the very least I'd print it to both
2020-01-02 00:57:50	fendor	Yeah, but with the command, they can try them themselves
2020-01-02 00:58:01	fendor	yeah, sorry, that is already happening.
2020-01-02 00:58:07	fendor	the exception is printed to stderr 
2020-01-02 00:58:15	dxld	and not to diag?
2020-01-02 00:58:22	fendor	currently, yeah
2020-01-02 00:58:27	dxld	right
2020-01-02 00:58:52	fendor	and I want to show a Diagnostics from which people understand what went wrong and what they can do to fix it
2020-01-02 00:58:54	dxld	what I think we ought to do is capture errors coming from c-h per open file
2020-01-02 00:58:59	dxld	does that make sense?
2020-01-02 00:59:13	fendor	absolutely, currently that goes to stderr, right?
2020-01-02 00:59:17	dxld	yeah
2020-01-02 00:59:30	dxld	I've been wanting to add a hook to override that for ages
2020-01-02 00:59:45	dxld	problem is downstream I have to capture the stderr output form processes I spawn
2020-01-02 00:59:55	dxld	and that's not trivial while supporting ancient base versions
2020-01-02 01:00:00	fendor	ah
2020-01-02 01:00:02	fendor	I was gonan ask
2020-01-02 01:00:10	dxld	last time I looked I would have had to re-implement all of readProcess
2020-01-02 01:00:11	fendor	* I was going to ask
2020-01-02 01:00:16	dxld	which is a lot of code
2020-01-02 01:00:40	dxld	maybe it's better now since I deprecated some older ghcs
2020-01-02 01:00:43	fendor	I can imagine! is base 4.9.1.0 so old?
2020-01-02 01:00:52	fendor	that old
2020-01-02 01:01:11	dxld	well there just wasn't a readCreateProcess that allows overriding the stderr handle yet
2020-01-02 01:01:18	dxld	so there was just no way to capture stderr
2020-01-02 01:02:08	fendor	should be fine now? https://hackage.haskell.org/package/process-1.4.3.0/docs/System-Process.html#t:CreateProcess
2020-01-02 01:02:12	dxld	7.10.3 introduced readCreateProcess so I might be fine
2020-01-02 01:02:20	dxld	8.0 is the lowest supported ghc now
2020-01-02 01:04:18	dxld	ah shit
2020-01-02 01:04:33	dxld	readCreateProcessWithExitCode still ignores the stderr handle
2020-01-02 01:04:41	alanz	In hie we are moving toward 8.4 being the lowest supported
2020-01-02 01:04:53	dxld	'bout time :)
2020-01-02 01:05:10	alanz	I think we already dropped 8.2?
2020-01-02 01:05:21	alanz	yep
2020-01-02 01:05:54	alanz	Have to move forward fairly aggressively, with this new stuff, else we get bogged down completely
2020-01-02 01:05:55	fendor	yeah
2020-01-02 01:06:01	fendor	because of cabal-plan and stack
2020-01-02 01:06:52	alanz	I figure people using hie are working on new stuff, the old stuff was created in the past, using a set of tooling that got the job done.
2020-01-02 01:07:07	alanz	and if you are stuck there, you are stuck with the tooling too
2020-01-02 01:07:18	dxld	that's what I've been saying for years :P
2020-01-02 01:07:37	alanz	well, I drank your cool-aid then
2020-01-02 01:07:44	dxld	hehe, good, good
2020-01-02 01:08:55	alanz	I put in 1/1/1900 for birthday in my google account. It just wished me happy birthday when I opened maps :)
2020-01-02 01:09:34	dxld	:)
2020-01-02 01:12:17	fendor	there is no way currently to print something human readable from a UnitId, right?
2020-01-02 01:13:22	dxld	the good thing about having released c-h is now I can check the docs on hackage instead of building them :)
2020-01-02 01:13:54	dxld	there's no accessor to get the UnitId out of the unit so that wouldn't help yoy
2020-01-02 01:15:53	fendor	:/ Ok, I just wanna say, that it was not exposed by the following components: ... 
2020-01-02 01:16:01	fendor	you think this would be helpful to users?
2020-01-02 01:16:28	dxld	hmm
2020-01-02 01:16:47	dxld	why are you looking by module name in the first place?
2020-01-02 01:18:07	fendor	to find the component to which the filepath belongs to?
2020-01-02 01:18:39	dxld	I haven't done the actual component discovery in a while :)
2020-01-02 01:19:24	fendor	yeah, it really showed me how basic our go-to filepath library is
2020-01-02 01:19:30	dxld	anyways I think we should check if the module is even in the package before giving the verbose error message involving all the components we checked
2020-01-02 01:19:48	fendor	yeah, but in this case we can assume that it is
2020-01-02 01:19:54	dxld	cabal has a list of all modules/files that are part of the package after all
2020-01-02 01:19:57	dxld	for sdist
2020-01-02 01:20:15	fendor	doesnt this already assume that you can build the package?
2020-01-02 01:20:22	dxld	no!
2020-01-02 01:20:34	dxld	you just need the generic package description for that
2020-01-02 01:20:45	dxld	or at least you don't need to have done configure
2020-01-02 01:21:09	dxld	I'd have to check how to actually do it: but my point is if we want to make it easy for users
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2020-01-02 01:21:57	dxld	we ought to differentiate the not-in-the-project vs module-not-found-in-active-componets case
2020-01-02 01:22:04	fendor	yeah...
2020-01-02 01:22:14	fendor	but we are having slight problems with that
2020-01-02 01:22:47	fendor	hie-wrapper needs to establish a project context so that we can tell what ghc and consequentially what hie version to use
2020-01-02 01:23:01	fendor	but it cant know a filepath in the project
2020-01-02 01:23:10	dxld	this stuff wouldnt depend on ghc though
2020-01-02 01:23:26	dxld	it can be implemented purely with lib:Cabal without any dependency on setup-config
2020-01-02 01:24:53	fendor	I mean, cradle discovery is a overloaded in functionality
2020-01-02 01:25:28	dxld	not sure what you mean
2020-01-02 01:26:28	fendor	the cradle is used to find out the ghc version to use, which is used to find out which hie version to use
2020-01-02 01:26:33	fendor	in hie-wrapper for example
2020-01-02 01:26:45	fendor	but on start-up we dont know a file in the project
2020-01-02 01:27:09	dxld	I thought hie brings up cradles only when a specific file is loaded
2020-01-02 01:27:13	fendor	no
2020-01-02 01:27:16	fendor	not anymore
2020-01-02 01:27:16	dxld	hmmmmmm
2020-01-02 01:27:26	dxld	well that's wrong then :)
2020-01-02 01:27:27	fendor	because we need to know the ghc version before a file is loaded
2020-01-02 01:27:29	fendor	it is
2020-01-02 01:27:36	fendor	it is a best-effort though
2020-01-02 01:27:48	dxld	still
2020-01-02 01:28:00	dxld	you can do this isInProject check just before loading a file
2020-01-02 01:28:04	dxld	and complain if it isn't
2020-01-02 01:28:22	dxld	at that point you have the cradle to check against so there isn't a staging problem
2020-01-02 01:29:02	fendor	true
2020-01-02 01:29:04	dxld	s/complain/complain and ignore the file/
2020-01-02 01:29:06	fendor	that is right
2020-01-02 01:29:30	dxld	because then you've cut down the cases you have to consuder during debugging later when you get the module not found thing
2020-01-02 01:33:06	dxld	so once we've cought that what why could a module-not-found happen?
2020-01-02 01:33:20	dxld	we still have the component-not-enabled case
2020-01-02 01:33:34	fendor	what is that case? Can you disable components? 0.o
2020-01-02 01:33:35	dxld	which we should also be able to tickle out of cabal
2020-01-02 01:33:40	dxld	well sure
2020-01-02 01:33:43	dxld	--disable-tests
2020-01-02 01:34:07	dxld	then we don't get that component in plan.json at all iirc
2020-01-02 01:34:17	dxld	so a module in it would not be found
2020-01-02 01:34:33	dxld	if we handle that case we should have exhausted the possibilities
2020-01-02 01:35:22	dxld	though maybe preprocessors are a problem (as a general rule: they always are)
2020-01-02 01:37:07	fendor	they are, they are... but for simplicity, we can ignore it for now
2020-01-02 01:37:17	fendor	how do we notice that components are disabled?
2020-01-02 01:38:50	dxld	not sure
2020-01-02 01:38:59	dxld	if we're lucky this check already exists in cabal
2020-01-02 01:39:15	dxld	if not we have to iterate over the components in the package description
2020-01-02 01:39:19	fendor	may I dare to ask, what about stack? :D 
2020-01-02 01:39:26	dxld	cross reference that with what we have in plan.json
2020-01-02 01:39:37	dxld	and then list the modules, find the corresponding files and go from there :)
2020-01-02 01:39:51	dxld	oh god, I hadn't considered that yet
2020-01-02 01:40:00	dxld	should be the same thing
2020-01-02 01:40:05	dxld	minus plan.json
2020-01-02 01:40:13	dxld	we just go via setup-config instead
2020-01-02 01:40:41	dxld	I think that should be ok staging wise because we only need this after we already successfully ran the helper
2020-01-02 01:40:58	dxld	at which point we might realise the module is missing from the UnitInfos we get
2020-01-02 01:42:10	dxld	the isInPackage check should be easy at least, lib:Cabal has `listPackageSources`
2020-01-02 01:42:36	fendor	does not work with package.yaml right=
2020-01-02 01:42:36	fendor	?
2020-01-02 01:42:50	dxld	no that's ok too
2020-01-02 01:43:02	fendor	because we assume we generate t?
2020-01-02 01:43:06	dxld	at the post helper stage we already did the dry-run to generate it
2020-01-02 01:43:13	dxld	s/generate it/generate the cabal file/
2020-01-02 01:43:33	fendor	of course, I am just always skipping words
2020-01-02 01:43:36	dxld	or well we don't do a dry-run actually, it happens as part of the stack configure step
2020-01-02 01:44:04	dxld	but we could do a dry-run earlier than configure if we needed to
2020-01-02 01:47:05	fendor	I am confused, but I guess that is ok. If you can split it up somehow into tasks, I can do some of them
2020-01-02 01:47:22	dxld	what don't you understand?
2020-01-02 01:47:54	dxld	the dry-run I'm talking about is `stack build --dry-run`, that generates the cabal file from package.yaml iirc
2020-01-02 01:48:04	dxld	though one would think a dry-run wouldn't do such a thing ;)
2020-01-02 01:56:08	fendor	it is just a lot.
2020-01-02 01:56:41	fendor	like disabled components, setup-config, backwards compatibility and so on
2020-01-02 01:56:58	fendor	I understand roughly what is happening but I have no idea on how to start with it
2020-01-02 01:58:02	dxld	I think the inPackage check should be easy
2020-01-02 01:58:28	dxld	just start tracing through lib:Cabal starting in Distribution.Simple.SrcDist.listPackageSources
2020-01-02 01:58:41	dxld	I'm not sure how performant that function is and if we have to cache it or anything
2020-01-02 01:58:55	dxld	might be better to go straight to where it gets the info from
2020-01-02 01:59:07	dxld	that should also show you how the module<->file mapping is done
2020-01-02 02:00:18	fendor	we could cache it, but we only query for the filepath once a cradle is loaded
2020-01-02 02:01:04	dxld	I would rather not cache it
2020-01-02 02:01:12	dxld	just another thing that could be broken and need debugging
2020-01-02 02:01:27	dxld	that's kind of the thing you don't want when you're trying to reduce the need for debugging ;)
2020-01-02 02:02:12	fendor	yeah, same opinion
2020-01-02 02:02:30	dxld	so maybe we only do it once an error occurs
2020-01-02 02:02:48	dxld	but then we loose the error case reduction characteristic
2020-01-02 02:03:30	dxld	so I think it makes sense to look at how efficient the function is and see if a point check for a single file could be more efficient
2020-01-02 02:09:21	fendor	where would we aim to make these changes?
2020-01-02 02:09:33	dxld	listPackageSources itself also seems to have some error cases when it doesn't find the files corresponding to a module :)
2020-01-02 02:09:44	dxld	so we probably want to get lists of modules instead of files ;)
2020-01-02 02:10:09	dxld	I think it makes sense to put this into c-h
2020-01-02 02:10:33	fendor	ok. 
2020-01-02 02:11:23	dxld	a function to get a list of modules for a Unit maybe?
2020-01-02 02:11:36	dxld	not sure what makes sense yet
2020-01-02 02:12:53	dxld	hmm
2020-01-02 02:13:01	jneira_	mmm wrapping cli oriented programs and error handling can be, mmm, interesting :-D 
2020-01-02 02:13:05	dxld	the units we can get are already restricted to active ones
2020-01-02 02:13:25	dxld	so we need some new concepts to integrate this into c-h
2020-01-02 02:13:58	fendor	jneira_, mkQueryEnv is probably crashing. or `runQuery` for project Packages
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2020-01-02 02:16:41	jneira_	fendor: re hie-wrapper crash with bad cabal config?
2020-01-02 02:16:48	fendor	yeah
2020-01-02 02:17:18	jneira_	mmm you and dxld was talking just about that no?
2020-01-02 02:17:50	jneira_	it is easy to start walk in circles...
2020-01-02 02:19:10	fendor	not about that issue in particular but rather about improved error messages
2020-01-02 02:19:33	jneira_	we'll have to report the error trying to query the project ghc
2020-01-02 02:21:13	jneira_	the first step log the comand error output to hie.log
2020-01-02 02:21:17	fendor	yeah, can we report any errors from hie-wrapper even
2020-01-02 02:21:18	fendor	?
2020-01-02 02:21:45	fendor	isnt that already done? command error should be in stderr, iirc
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2020-01-02 02:24:03	jneira_	let me check
2020-01-02 02:25:28	fendor	not that it is that helpful
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2020-01-02 02:28:11	jneira_	yeah it is in the vscode window output (but nothing in hie.log file)
2020-01-02 02:28:22	jneira_	but it is fine
2020-01-02 02:29:05	jneira_	maybe hard to show a pretty error from the command error output :-|
2020-01-02 02:30:25	jneira_	well i am gonna open a new issue to handle it after the actual ones
2020-01-02 02:31:38	fendor	jneira_, yeah thanks! I think, the same happens when hie.yaml is malformed
2020-01-02 02:32:39	fendor	I actually have a custom script to always launch hie with `--debug` that avoids using hie-wrapper, that's why i never noticed it
2020-01-02 02:47:31	dxld	fendor: so in terms of integrating this into c-h
2020-01-02 02:47:51	dxld	I think we'd have to get all the packages/units during getProjInfo
2020-01-02 02:48:02	dxld	probably by looking at the package description directly
2020-01-02 02:48:17	dxld	and then further down in Unit we have a bool to say if it's active or not
2020-01-02 02:48:28	dxld	that way we don't have to introduce the distinction in the api
2020-01-02 02:49:16	dxld	I can probably do that so just ignore the integration for now if you want to give implementing it a go
2020-01-02 02:49:24	dxld	just do it with straight up lib:Cabal
2020-01-02 02:57:55	fendor	dxld, nice! I will try in a day or two. not today anymore
2020-01-02 03:01:00	dxld	nah, no rush
2020-01-02 03:30:08	alanz	what is the cabal.project equivalent of setting "pedantic" in a stack.yaml file
2020-01-02 03:33:31	alanz	ah, it is a flag
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2020-01-02 04:20:20	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1538 is intended to just create a context, I am sure we will flesh it out as time passes
2020-01-02 04:38:13	alanz	lukelau, does lsp-test no longer provide the "--lsp" param when running hie? In which case it explains the failures in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1538
2020-01-02 04:39:12	fendor	alanz, you mean here https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/test/utils/TestUtils.hs#L188 ?
2020-01-02 04:39:50	alanz	ah, perfect, thanks
2020-01-02 04:43:43	alanz	fendor, you and jneira_ can work this detail into the hie CLI dump once my diff lands, or as PRs on it.https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/105
2020-01-02 04:47:23	fendor	alanz, yeah, of course
2020-01-02 04:47:43	fendor	alanz, do you already have an idea on how this cli command works?
2020-01-02 04:47:48	fendor	or will work
2020-01-02 04:48:20	alanz	All I know is that when you invoke it without the "--lsp" flag it should give as much useful info as possible to the user.
2020-01-02 04:49:01	alanz	Use case being something like: someone has a weird problem in their IDE, we tell them to run hie bare in their directory, it says if it is happy.
2020-01-02 04:49:30	alanz	If so, then we point them to the LSP client integration, else we ask/help them to make the CLI thing print out useful info.
2020-01-02 04:49:35	fendor	does it also check lsp functionality or only building stuff?
2020-01-02 04:49:53	alanz	Kind of like the idea behing invoking hie-bios, or ghcide
2020-01-02 04:50:06	fendor	will still need to find all cradles.
2020-01-02 04:50:15	fendor	That is a bit more complex for us since we are supporting way more
2020-01-02 04:50:21	lukelau	alanz: it does not pass the —lsp option i believe
2020-01-02 04:50:22	alanz	we assume LSP functionality works, it only checks what it would find when working as an LSP server on the project
2020-01-02 04:50:35	fendor	ok.
2020-01-02 04:50:37	alanz	lukelau, thanks, fendor already pointed me in the right direction
2020-01-02 04:51:08	alanz	fendor, does that make sense? It is just one take on how it could work, and open for discussion
2020-01-02 04:51:22	fendor	it absolutely makes sense.
2020-01-02 04:51:34	fendor	it is exactly how we set up a session
2020-01-02 04:51:50	alanz	I am sure it will grow over time as we use it for real-world project debugging
2020-01-02 04:52:19	fendor	yeah. I am just thinking about how you can actually find a filepath to load.
2020-01-02 04:52:27	fendor	just find all *.hs files and try to load them?
2020-01-02 04:52:35	alanz	Have you looked at what ghcide does?
2020-01-02 04:52:37	fendor	no
2020-01-02 04:52:39	fendor	not yet
2020-01-02 04:52:50	fendor	that's why i am asking
2020-01-02 04:53:01	alanz	you pass it files or directories on the CLI, it tries to load each one. If a dir, it walks the dir to find each file
2020-01-02 04:53:22	alanz	so you point it at "src app" for example 
2020-01-02 04:53:51	alanz	or if you want only specific info, "app/MainHie.hs"
2020-01-02 04:54:53	lukelau	happy new year all
2020-01-02 04:55:00	alanz	Here is ghcide running on my hie repo: https://gist.github.com/alanz/fdbb0e4a93a9174845573b8fa5ce1510
2020-01-02 04:55:08	lukelau	just left my two cents on that pr alanz 
2020-01-02 04:55:09	alanz	happy new year lukelau 
2020-01-02 04:55:11	fendor	lukelau, happy new year to you, too! 
2020-01-02 04:56:58	alanz	lukelau, are you popping across the Irish sea later this month?
2020-01-02 04:57:02	fendor	does ghcide support multi-cradle?
2020-01-02 04:57:18	alanz	I dont think so. That output bombs toward the end
2020-01-02 04:57:52	alanz	fendor, in my dev zone I have no hie.yaml, prefer to use the goodness of cabal-helper
2020-01-02 04:58:19	fendor	hehe. I like the hie.yaml. Dont have to think about using stack by accident
2020-01-02 04:59:11	alanz	If I have a cabal.project, dist-newstyle, and no .stack-work it does the right thing.
2020-01-02 04:59:19	fendor	well ghcide doesnt support multi-cradle, so cant really work
2020-01-02 04:59:29	fendor	only the cabal.project matters
2020-01-02 04:59:33	alanz	and I think if dist-newstyle *and* .stack-work are there it uses cabal?
2020-01-02 04:59:33	fendor	for now
2020-01-02 04:59:56	fendor	even if it has a .stack_work, and a cabal.project it will prefer cabal
2020-01-02 05:00:06	alanz	fendor, I am talking about the principle of running the tool without the "--lsp" flag and getting good info
2020-01-02 05:01:01	fendor	alanz, what you mean? the principle of it is a great idea and I really like that about ghcide
2020-01-02 05:01:03	lukelau	alanz: unfortunately not, I had already made plans to travel to fosdem the following weekend and my university workload is quite high this semester. But I’ll be attending the ghc developer week later on in March
2020-01-02 05:01:06	alanz	fendor: ok. It might be a good idea to allow that tie-break to be set, via something like a ~/.hierc file, or something like that
2020-01-02 05:01:31	fendor	alanz, I want to extend the hie.yaml format to allow setting cabal-helper as a cradle
2020-01-02 05:01:41	alanz	lukelau, fair enough. I can't manage a whole week away, unfortunately
2020-01-02 05:01:50	fendor	and I think I recruited someone on discord to https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1510
2020-01-02 05:01:56	alanz	fendor, that will be great
2020-01-02 05:02:35	alanz	the more contributors the better. Spread the love
2020-01-02 05:02:49	lukelau	I think the lsp configuration options would be a good place to set the tie-breaker
2020-01-02 05:03:05	fendor	Tomorrow, I would like to implement a draft on hlint-data-files. That would be cool, too.
2020-01-02 05:03:42	fendor	and I hope mpickering is around some time so I can discuss https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/119 with him
2020-01-02 05:04:08	alanz	Well, let him rest for a while if he wants, he had a crazy productive 2019
2020-01-02 05:04:09	fendor	absolutely, I am trying to support adopters of hie over the new changes with hie-bios
2020-01-02 05:04:13	fendor	absolutely
2020-01-02 05:04:20	fendor	I dont mean to push him
2020-01-02 05:04:43	alanz	fendor, I am starting to see small signs of people trying out hie again, with the new hie-bios and c-h
2020-01-02 05:05:09	fendor	yeah, but there are being repelled fast with some pretty bad initial hiccups :(
2020-01-02 05:05:19	fendor	the stack support got worse
2020-01-02 05:06:02	alanz	I know, I find the experience without cabal-helper pretty shocking
2020-01-02 05:06:25	alanz	But it is to be expected that a major change like this has some teethinc trouble, sure it will settle down soon
2020-01-02 05:06:47	fendor	I hope so. The last week we found some stack problems, but I think now stack is usable again
2020-01-02 05:06:53	alanz	fendor, can you shepherd https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1538, I am back at the salt mine tomorrow, will not be able to look at it until evening
2020-01-02 05:07:29	fendor	what does "back at the salt mine" mean? Literally, or is that a metaphor? 0.o
2020-01-02 05:07:59	alanz	it is a metaphor, for starting work again. An illusion to being a slave in a salt mine, from thousands of years ago.
2020-01-02 05:08:05	alanz	allusion
2020-01-02 05:08:21	alanz	to use another big work. metaphor is a better word
2020-01-02 05:08:49	 *	alanz afk
2020-01-02 05:08:51	fendor	hehe. 
2020-01-02 05:09:12	fendor	will do, I look at it again tomorrow and merge it if everything is green
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2020-01-02 12:54:43	jneira	i dont have the hie commit in hie --version anymore, is it due to build it with cabal instead stack? 
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2020-01-02 14:22:06	jneira	it seems `cabal v2-install` uses a tmp directory to build the executable and there is no .git to extract the commit :-/ 
2020-01-02 14:22:30	jneira	`cabal v2-run hie -- --version`inside project root dir works
2020-01-02 14:23:27	jneira	so you can only copy manually the executable generated by `cabal v2-build` 
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2020-01-02 17:36:30	jneira	happy new year fendor!
2020-01-02 17:36:39	fendor	jneira, happy new year! 
2020-01-02 17:37:06	fendor	Und einen guten Rutsch! ;) (dont know how to translate that)
2020-01-02 17:37:30	fendor	Apparently, in english, this is just happy new year :)
2020-01-02 17:37:46	Rembane	Wiktionary has a good one on Rutsch: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/guten_Rutsch
2020-01-02 17:39:36	jneira	he, german is an amazing lang
2020-01-02 17:40:57	jneira	re hlint data files, i dont want to bother with the topic, use `$XDG_DATA_DIR/hie` could be fine
2020-01-02 17:42:31	jneira	oh you did write in the issue, reading
2020-01-02 17:43:27	fendor	jneira, yeah, I wanna draft an implementation right now if you are not already doing that?
2020-01-02 17:45:34	jneira	no i've not started anything, i am fighting with azure pipelines to publish artifacts and make test suites pass
2020-01-02 17:50:43	fendor	jneira, any problems in particular I can help with?
2020-01-02 17:56:45	jneira	nah, the main problem i have to wait more than 30 minutes to get feedback to fix even silly errors
2020-01-02 17:57:33	jneira	and there is transient errors that needs rerun the workflow
2020-01-02 17:57:36	jneira	*are
2020-01-02 17:58:07	fendor	jneira, yeah, it is horrible to do ci debugging
2020-01-02 18:00:09	jneira	tests are passing in linux and macos (i think) and windows only has some problems with the wrapper suite and one functional test case
2020-01-02 18:00:19	jneira	https://dev.azure.com/jneira/haskell-ide-engine/_build/results?buildId=344&view=results
2020-01-02 18:00:36	fendor	jneira, I understand you criticism to the compile-time approach. We can leverage https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specifications/specification-3-14/#window_showMessageRequest for run-time installation
2020-01-02 18:01:29	fendor	jneira, can you reproduce the issue on windows?
2020-01-02 18:01:44	jneira	mmm the action associated with the message could be download the hlint files
2020-01-02 18:01:54	jneira	i like the approach
2020-01-02 18:02:16	fendor	`readCreateProcess: stack ghc -- --numeric-version (exit 1): failed ` that could be a serious windows bug
2020-01-02 18:02:16	jneira	no the suites are passing locally in my windows 10
2020-01-02 18:02:25	fendor	oh ok
2020-01-02 18:02:27	fendor	phe
2020-01-02 18:02:29	fendor	phew
2020-01-02 18:02:41	fendor	I get flashbacks about ruining windows builds
2020-01-02 18:02:50	jneira	???
2020-01-02 18:03:23	fendor	I completely destroyed the hie-bios windows compatibility, remember? :D 
2020-01-02 18:04:19	fendor	I can try this test-case myself, too
2020-01-02 18:04:46	jneira	ah, yeah, i participated with my LGTM in the pr ;-)
2020-01-02 18:05:54	fendor	BUT we had a fix within the next 18 hours, a new CI and a new release, so I would argue we acted accordingly
2020-01-02 18:06:56	jneira	after that i was thinking in pest any of haskell commitee members about adding azure to github repo :-P
2020-01-02 18:08:04	fendor	yeah, please do that :) 
2020-01-02 18:08:14	fendor	I would be very happy to finally run the test-suite on windows
2020-01-02 18:08:21	jneira	i hope there is no problem in use windows azure within the haskell github org, i dont know any haskell repo using it but stack
2020-01-02 18:09:23	fendor	hehe. I can not imagine that there is problem with that
2020-01-02 18:09:31	fendor	what does cabal use for windows tests?
2020-01-02 18:09:39	fendor	or are they paying for something?
2020-01-02 18:09:44	jneira	mmm appveyor i think
2020-01-02 18:09:57	jneira	but travis has windows support nowadays
2020-01-02 18:10:21	fendor	isnt travis on the verge to getting discontinued?
2020-01-02 18:10:29	jneira	and circleci, but paying (i think)
2020-01-02 18:10:54	jneira	discontinued in the cabal repo?
2020-01-02 18:11:36	fendor	nah, I think even in general. Werent they bought?
2020-01-02 18:11:49	jneira	oh didint know
2020-01-02 18:12:00	fendor	maybe I am mistaken, though
2020-01-02 18:12:54	jneira	haskell-ci is using travis, it would be great to add windows support: https://github.com/haskell-CI/haskell-ci/issues/199
2020-01-02 18:13:15	jneira	to automatically generate scripts for all os's
2020-01-02 18:14:04	jneira	it is in my Maybe-TODO list 
2020-01-02 18:15:13	fendor	that is cool! 
2020-01-02 18:17:34	jneira	taking bubba travis scripts from lsp-tests (he added support for win)
2020-01-02 18:20:20	jneira	i am discovering the advantage of java packaging for libs and executables: it is a zip (jar) and you can embed whatever inside to make it self-contained
2020-01-02 18:22:12	fendor	it easily goes to hell though when version problems arise ;D 
2020-01-02 18:22:49	fendor	I had a terrible time trying to combine spring with jersey
2020-01-02 18:25:10	jneira	oh yeah, but i have to delete all cabal-plan packages from cabal store cause cabal was using two versions in the same build, weird
2020-01-02 18:25:43	fendor	yeah same. That is bug that we all probably should have reported :D 
2020-01-02 18:25:52	jneira	thanks to `cabal-stpre-check --repair`i had not to delete the complete store dir
2020-01-02 18:25:56	fendor	but I didnt want to block my work on it :(
2020-01-02 18:26:02	jneira	`cabal-store-check`
2020-01-02 18:26:28	fendor	For me it worked, too to only remove all cabal-plan stuff in `.cabal/store/ghc-8.6.4`
2020-01-02 18:27:23	jneira	mmm sometimes i've got strange errors only deleting the folders but i didnt test it this time
2020-01-02 18:27:50	fendor	we should have reported that :( unless there is an issue for it already
2020-01-02 18:28:35	jneira	sure there are a bunch of them :-P
2020-01-02 18:29:31	jneira	btw what could we do with your pr to generate the derived files in cabal (cabal macros and paths)
2020-01-02 18:29:34	jneira	?
2020-01-02 18:29:40	fendor	and nobody found them again
2020-01-02 18:30:03	fendor	I have some troubles with how to implement them. But I would like to come back to it in the next weeks.
2020-01-02 18:30:29	jneira	it would be hard to change it to generate them with `cabal build --generate-derived-files` or something alike?
2020-01-02 18:30:59	jneira	or you wanted to merge it as is?
2020-01-02 18:31:15	fendor	no I will change it as requested.
2020-01-02 18:31:36	fendor	It is kind of hard, since I find the cabal project very hard to navigate and to work with
2020-01-02 18:31:43	fendor	it is just so much legacy stuff
2020-01-02 18:31:55	jneira	yep
2020-01-02 18:32:39	fendor	and such lousey documentation
2020-01-02 18:32:53	fendor	and whenever you ask something you get hit by a boulder of information
2020-01-02 18:33:22	fendor	that's why this takes some time for me :/
2020-01-02 18:33:36	fendor	also we have more pressing problems in hie
2020-01-02 18:34:03	jneira	of course, there will solve a minor problem with an easy workaround
2020-01-02 18:34:47	fendor	it is an awkward one... but yeah, it would take probably a year for that change to land in user space
2020-01-02 18:34:57	fendor	so, a few months more dont matter, too much
2020-01-02 18:36:13	fendor	I so love the hsimport code action
2020-01-02 18:41:41	jneira	i miss the function call hierarchy from eclipse, but there are so many pending improvements...
2020-01-02 18:44:20	fendor	yeah. Especially when we have ghcide integrated
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2020-01-02 19:17:36	mpickering	michaelpj: Any plans for you to come to the Bristol Hackathon?
2020-01-02 19:18:09	mpickering	And are you sure not fendor and jneira :) ?
2020-01-02 19:19:44	fendor	mpickering, happy new year! I am not planning to come to Bristol :)
2020-01-02 19:20:48	michaelpj	mpickering: it's the weekend of my anniversary with my girlfriend, so probably not ;)
2020-01-02 19:21:02	michaelpj	although I could concievably pop up for the second day...
2020-01-02 19:27:08	jneira	i would like it a lot but it will not be possible
2020-01-02 19:28:06	jneira	moreover my spoken english is even worse than my written one :-(
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2020-01-02 19:40:32	mpickering	michaelpj: congratulations, catch you another time
2020-01-02 19:40:45	mpickering	And everyone else as well!
2020-01-02 19:40:53	mpickering	Are you still living in Oxford?
2020-01-02 19:41:40	michaelpj	mpickering: London these days - not exactly far!
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2020-01-02 21:12:17	mpickering	Can I give someone upload access to hie-bios on hackage so things are not blocked on me?
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2020-01-02 23:17:57	alanz	mpickering, you should do that for apply-refact too
2020-01-02 23:18:09	alanz	back-up maintainer, at least
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2020-01-03 00:01:14	fenedor	mpickering, I have a hackage account now :) So, I would be available
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2020-01-03 00:42:21	mpickering	fendor: What is your user name?
2020-01-03 00:42:52	fendor	fendor
2020-01-03 00:44:38	fendor	kind of surprising, right? :D 
2020-01-03 00:46:05	mpickering	a lot of people at least used to use their full real names 
2020-01-03 00:46:31	fendor	i know it is encouraged 
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2020-01-03 02:04:03	alanz	fendor, jneira_, lukelau : what are things that would prevent a hie monthly release now?
2020-01-03 02:04:28	alanz	or should be waited for, max a day or so?
2020-01-03 02:05:10	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1522 I presume
2020-01-03 02:05:17	fendor	yeah, that would be importnat
2020-01-03 02:05:19	alanz	and some hie-bios tweaks
2020-01-03 02:05:45	fendor	the hie-bios tweaks wont land in this release
2020-01-03 02:06:05	fendor	they need some bike-shedding and discussing which I am not comfortable to decide on my own
2020-01-03 02:06:14	fendor	*discussion
2020-01-03 02:06:35	alanz	ok, fair enough.
2020-01-03 02:07:40	fendor	so, we are shipping with the open and rather unfortunate bug: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1490
2020-01-03 02:08:29	alanz	fendor, this is an exploratory discussion. But I definitely want it out by the weekend
2020-01-03 02:09:12	fendor	yeah that is fine, and we cant close this bug in time
2020-01-03 02:09:26	fendor	but there is a work-around for it, so, it is not a breaking issue
2020-01-03 02:09:33	alanz	and I am not that worried about that one. This whole hie-bios tech stack is new, the release notes will say use with care, only if you are brave
2020-01-03 02:10:25	fendor	that's true
2020-01-03 02:10:36	fendor	most people either are aware of the bug or not using it
2020-01-03 02:11:38	fendor	*or are not using it
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2020-01-03 02:13:08	alanz	exactly. It will take a while for people to digest this stuff
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2020-01-03 04:13:59	mpickering	I added fendor as a maintainer to hie-bios
2020-01-03 04:17:39	alanz	great
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2020-01-03 04:31:00	alanz	jneira_, does this copy command make sense? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/install/src/Cabal.hs#L76-L82
2020-01-03 04:34:24	alanz	I see install does copy hie-8.6.5 and hie-wrapper. Not sure how
2020-01-03 04:35:31	jneira_	fendor: it copies the hie executable with ghc version suffix (hie-8.6.exe and hie-8.6.5.exe f.e.) to let hie-wrapper choose the correct one
2020-01-03 04:35:40	jneira_	* alanz
2020-01-03 04:35:59	alanz	yes, I realised that when I looked more closely
2020-01-03 04:36:21	alanz	where does hie-wrapper get copied? Or is that just a "stack install" default location thing
2020-01-03 04:36:28	alanz	obviously
2020-01-03 04:36:35	jneira_	yeah
2020-01-03 04:37:19	jneira_	the right one could be make three `cabal install`with different `--program-suffix` option
2020-01-03 04:37:45	alanz	ok. Because it seems people are somehow installing an updated hie exe, without an updated hie-wrapper. See https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/issues/186
2020-01-03 04:37:46	jneira_	but `v2-install` does not support it yet
2020-01-03 04:38:06	alanz	what is there is fine, I am just not familiar with this stuff
2020-01-03 04:38:46	alanz	Eventually, given installation in store, stack store, etc, we should just get 'hie' to be the matching one, without doing suffix matching.
2020-01-03 04:38:55	alanz	But that is probably a dream
2020-01-03 04:40:16	jneira_	mmm i had problems updating `hie.exe`but no `hie-8.6`and `hie-8.6.5`cause hie-wrapper continue choosing the las one, obsolete
2020-01-03 04:40:25	jneira_	*last
2020-01-03 04:40:52	jneira_	maybe is that the problem?
2020-01-03 04:41:11	alanz	well, that issue there is because the '--lsp' parameter is now accepted by hie, but the wrapper does not reflect it
2020-01-03 04:42:49	alanz	Because hie itself prints the right version (a8c156b8a12d03c9eb4a23174eaac1eb9725eff1), but that version of hie-wrapper accepts the '--lsp' flag
2020-01-03 04:45:52	jneira_	mmm i think it is possible the wrapper is choosing `hie-8.6.5`instead `hie` and the former is the version which does not accept the flag
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2020-01-03 05:04:55	alanz	jneira_, That issue shows a specific version of hie (the correct one) being run, and then a run of hie-wrapper complaining. So hie-wrapper is the stale version, I am sure. https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/issues/186
2020-01-03 05:05:24	alanz	because if I run "hie-wrapper --lsp" it does the right thing
2020-01-03 05:07:03	alanz	https://gist.github.com/alanz/12191b6763ab6f403a526123d00c5bbb
2020-01-03 05:13:13	jneira_	:+1:
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2020-01-03 15:26:15	jneira	i've just discovered that ghcide are using azure for ci, with a config very similar to haskell-ide-engine
2020-01-03 15:27:15	jneira	we can compare them to improve :-)
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2020-01-03 16:55:22	jneira	fendor i've just post a comment about hlint data files
2020-01-03 16:55:53	jneira	i can try to do the part in install.hs
2020-01-03 16:56:23	jneira	good morning :-D
2020-01-03 16:57:36	jneira	and the part in azure to generate the tar/zip with the executables + hlint data files
2020-01-03 16:59:30	jneira	the alanz proposal would be similar to a jar file ;-)
2020-01-03 17:02:03	fendor	jneira, good morning! I can do it, too. However, you can probably reuse the download function I wrote, or at least parts of it
2020-01-03 17:02:16	fendor	I would like to avoid relying on env vars, though.
2020-01-03 17:02:30	fendor	how would that work if we pack the executables with the hlint data-files?
2020-01-03 17:02:45	fendor	I didnt understand that yet
2020-01-03 17:04:03	fendor	ok, I see
2020-01-03 17:04:19	fendor	now I understood it after reading your comment
2020-01-03 17:07:48	fendor	jneira, ok if you are taking care of it, ill experiment with other stuff, focus on getting https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1522 merged
2020-01-03 17:07:49	jneira	it is easy to talk now but i swear the idea crossed my mind when we talked about jar files yerterday but i didnt know about `getExecutablePath`
2020-01-03 17:08:20	jneira	thanks alanz reviewed the hlint code
2020-01-03 17:09:37	jneira	sure, dont delete your branch just in case we can reuse some parts, as you've suggested
2020-01-03 17:09:50	fendor	that is why I opened the pr so early, so we get feedback :)
2020-01-03 17:10:07	fendor	I am not deleting anything, only closed it :)
2020-01-03 17:10:19	jneira	nice
2020-01-03 17:10:28	fendor	it is named `hlint-data-files` dont confuse with `hlint-datafiles` which was an earlier attempt ^^
2020-01-03 17:10:44	jneira	:+1:
2020-01-03 17:11:23	jneira	i have azure ready with all jobs publishing the artifacts :-)
2020-01-03 17:12:07	jneira	https://dev.azure.com/jneira/haskell-ide-engine/_build/results?buildId=367&view=artifacts&type=publishedArtifacts
2020-01-03 17:12:09	fendor	wow, that is great! 
2020-01-03 17:12:20	jneira	23 publised artifacts
2020-01-03 17:12:26	fendor	this is awesome
2020-01-03 17:12:46	fendor	and the tests succeed for all of them?
2020-01-03 17:12:57	fendor	now we jsut need to enable azure-ci
2020-01-03 17:13:06	jneira	nope, i have the tests in another branch
2020-01-03 17:13:20	jneira	that will be the next step
2020-01-03 17:13:27	fendor	awesome, great stuff
2020-01-03 17:13:53	jneira	and i want to publish the artifacts in github releases
2020-01-03 17:14:03	jneira	there is a specific task in azure for that
2020-01-03 17:18:11	fendor	makes sense to me
2020-01-03 17:21:46	luite	is there ghc 8.8 support in the works somewhere already?
2020-01-03 17:24:05	fendor	luite, yes in the pr https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1482
2020-01-03 17:24:20	fendor	will be merged after the monthly release that is probably this weekend
2020-01-03 17:25:37	luite	ah looks good
2020-01-03 17:26:56	jneira	only in windows it is blocked by unix-compat :-/  
2020-01-03 17:27:46	jneira	but it will be merged anyways
2020-01-03 17:28:42	fendor	oh didnt see that. Same reason why hie-bios has no ghc 8.8 support on windows, right?
2020-01-03 17:29:40	jneira	mmm i didnt try it, testing...
2020-01-03 17:44:56	fendor	we are depending on unix-compat, so it must be, right?
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2020-01-03 18:22:06	jneira	yeah, almost sure
2020-01-03 18:23:16	jneira	just tested it and it fails with the same error
2020-01-03 18:23:52	jneira	half of hackage should be blocked for windows cause unix-compat
2020-01-03 18:24:31	jneira	and there is a pr since 1 may that only relax the upper bound of a dependency :-/
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2020-01-04 00:21:21	alanz	we are not aiming to include 8.8 support in the monthly release. Will merge it in straight after tagging the release, if it is ready
2020-01-04 00:21:44	alanz	we === my thought process, open to discussion if anyone feels strongly
2020-01-04 00:24:30	alanz	mpickering, fendor : Have you seen https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/pull/303
2020-01-04 00:25:01	fendor	alanz, yeah
2020-01-04 00:25:15	fendor	alanz, btw I agree with your thought process
2020-01-04 00:25:17	alanz	But it seems it is in hand
2020-01-04 00:25:25	alanz	wrt hlint data files?
2020-01-04 00:26:23	alanz	BTW, I think I have encouraged a number of people to attend the Bristol hackathon, wrt hie/ghcide
2020-01-04 00:28:14	fendor	alanz, how is that related to hlint data-files?
2020-01-04 00:29:47	alanz	fendor, I was responding to " alanz, btw I agree with your thought process". What was that statement about?
2020-01-04 00:30:02	fendor	> we === my thought process, open to discussion if anyone feels strongly
2020-01-04 00:30:04	alanz	and then threw in a random aside too
2020-01-04 00:30:41	fendor	oh, now I get how you meant it. 
2020-01-04 00:30:44	alanz	not related, that was about merging 8.8. Which I think should happen after the next tagged release, and I think we have consensus, but open to discussion
2020-01-04 00:31:12	fendor	yeah and I just wanted to say, I agree with the decision to merge after release.
2020-01-04 00:32:17	alanz	great
2020-01-04 00:32:32	fendor	wrt to hlint data-files, I *think* jneira implements it at compile-time. 
2020-01-04 00:32:46	fendor	and scraps the part of my PR that he can use
2020-01-04 00:33:20	fendor	*reuse
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2020-01-04 03:31:20	mpickering	There are only about 55 signups so far so will be quite a small event
2020-01-04 03:33:35	alanz	mpickering, I gave it a punt on the internal stuff at work this morning, I think it kicked off at least two additional ones.
2020-01-04 03:34:07	alanz	And I just sent a mail to cocreature to see if I can coax something out
2020-01-04 03:34:46	alanz	or at least set up a call beforehand to understand the (organizational) constraints Digital Asset are required to have
2020-01-04 03:37:39	alanz	And I would not call 55 small, for a hackathon. But then I have not attended any, so would not be a good judge
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2020-01-04 07:09:08	jneira	alanz: i've just updated the extension to 0.32 and i've got the same crashes than user was reporting
2020-01-04 07:10:46	jneira	`Invalid option -lsp` in the vscode output but executing in the command line `hie-wrapper --lsp -d` works fine
2020-01-04 07:19:54	jneira	maybe we are passing the argument twice? `hie-wrapper --lsp --lsp` throws the same error `Invalid option --lsp`
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2020-01-04 12:41:06	cocreature	alanz: I’ll try figuring out next week if I might be able to make it to Bristol after all. If not, let’s definitely do a call sometime before.
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2020-01-04 16:11:11	alanz	cocreature, sounds great
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2020-01-04 17:54:34	fendor	lukelau, ping
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2020-01-04 18:31:09	fendor	alanz, for #1522 should we undo the changes to reactor? And rather like in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1526/files#diff-4c423d470eea9ff90c37c93e365d5022R460 read the lspfuncs?
2020-01-04 18:32:16	 *	alanz looking
2020-01-04 18:33:24	alanz	fendor, yes, but using the actual publishDiagnostics funcs, prefereably the one that looks up the maxToSend value itself, like in my attempt
2020-01-04 18:36:17	fendor	alanz, ok. But dont I read the clientconfig from MonadReader REnv? I wont have access to the REnv. 
2020-01-04 18:36:38	alanz	lspfuncs has a function to access it
2020-01-04 18:37:23	alanz	See http://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp-0.19.0.0/docs/Language-Haskell-LSP-Core.html#t:LspFuncs
2020-01-04 18:37:30	alanz	the config field
2020-01-04 18:38:21	fendor	Ah, I see. And that field is being updates? I will just believe for now, but at some point, I want to document all of this.
2020-01-04 18:39:09	alanz	yes.  Key thing is to get it fresh every time you send diagnostics
2020-01-04 18:39:26	alanz	it is just a getter on the IORef, I think
2020-01-04 18:42:24	fendor	so, I can just pass in the `config :: IO (Maybe c)` action to the function and the function asks for it everytime and it should be fine?
2020-01-04 18:44:30	alanz	Hold on, let me look closer again
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2020-01-04 18:50:42	alanz	fendor, if you look, `getClientConfig` just gets it from lspFuncs
2020-01-04 18:51:45	alanz	so my new publishDisgnostics asks for the clientConfig, pulls out maxToSend, and sends via lspFuncs
2020-01-04 18:52:23	alanz	So the telemetry example gets the lspFuncs, you can do everything you need from that
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2020-01-04 18:54:20	fendor	but I should not add a publishDiagnostics function to PluginsIdeMonads, right? So that other plugins cant use it
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2020-01-04 18:56:42	alanz	correct
2020-01-04 18:57:08	alanz	this is just for hie-bios type problems
2020-01-04 18:57:26	alanz	So pass it in from Server.hs, as current
2020-01-04 18:57:41	 *	alanz trying to keep a clean architecture
2020-01-04 18:58:28	fendor	absolutely, I think I got it
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2020-01-04 20:41:33	mpickering	alanz:  it's quite low compared to munihac or zurihac but I didn't intend for it to be massive
2020-01-04 20:41:53	mpickering	Given the only advertising I have done is post on twitter twice and Reddit once
2020-01-04 20:42:33	mpickering	Now I actually need to do a little bit of organising more than just booking the room haha
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2020-01-04 22:26:17	alanz	mpickering, I have been pushing it hard this last while, as a meatspace gathering to make sure we are all on the right page for ghcide/hie-core/hie collaboration
2020-01-04 22:26:52	alanz	cabal discussing embedding data files: https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/6096
2020-01-04 22:33:37	mpickering	now someone is saying they will come to learn how to organise a hackathon from me, they are in for a shock
2020-01-04 22:35:21	alanz	well, you will have at least one under your belt real soon now, which is more than most people can say. In the land of the blind ...
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2020-01-05 00:09:31	alanz	So I am looking at a separate config flag to say whether we send '--lsp' or not in the vscode extension: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/pull/188
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2020-01-05 04:24:31	jneira	alanz: is possible to recover the previous behaviour? why is necessary a option instead not passing the param? 
2020-01-05 04:26:24	alanz	jneira, Possibly, but this way it is explicit if you need it or not
2020-01-05 04:26:46	alanz	e.g. if you have the wrapper or hie in a strange place, but it still needs the param
2020-01-05 04:32:19	jneira	sorry i've not checked the code, i'll take a look to grasp it 
2020-01-05 04:35:34	jneira	i dont understan why with that option set to true the hie-wraper is called with `args:["--lsp","-d","--vomit","-l","C:\\TEMP\\hie.log"]`
2020-01-05 04:35:56	jneira	(taken from hie.log)
2020-01-05 04:38:01	alanz	it shouldn't do that.
2020-01-05 04:39:03	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/src/extension.ts#L152-L155
2020-01-05 04:39:48	alanz	I admit I did not try it, with the flag flipped. Let me check
2020-01-05 04:39:51	alanz	jneira, ^^
2020-01-05 04:41:13	jneira	But then hie-wrapper and hie dont need the `--lsp` flag to start the lsp server?
2020-01-05 04:41:42	alanz	jneira, the --lsp flag is set depending on "noLspFlag" only
2020-01-05 04:41:54	alanz	whether you use the wrapper, your own path, whatever
2020-01-05 04:42:11	jneira	aha
2020-01-05 04:42:13	alanz	And I just checked, it does behave as I expect
2020-01-05 04:43:58	jneira	i am little bit confused: hie-wrapper and hie needs the `--lsp`flag to start the server, but we are setting an option to dont pass it (but it doesnt work)
2020-01-05 04:44:21	jneira	the crash is gone
2020-01-05 04:45:17	jneira	it seems the option is passed from another source and passing it from the extension make it called with two `--lsp`, causing the crash
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2020-01-05 04:45:46	jneira	with the option we are avoiding the second `--lsp` but not the other one
2020-01-05 04:46:23	alanz	interesting. I wonder if there is a residual script floating around with it. 
2020-01-05 04:46:36	alanz	For current master, we do want it to be set
2020-01-05 04:46:38	jneira	(`hie-wrapper --lsp --lsp` crashes)
2020-01-05 04:46:39	alanz	once only
2020-01-05 04:48:36	jneira	yeah but what is setting the other one? weird
2020-01-05 04:48:37	alanz	jneira, hie-vscode.bat has it set, no longer in hie-vscode.sh
2020-01-05 04:48:51	jneira	oh
2020-01-05 04:49:03	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/hie-vscode.bat#L21
2020-01-05 04:49:35	alanz	And to my knowledge those things don't currently get used? Or obviously they do.
2020-01-05 04:49:56	alanz	I don't run windows, but should I remove it from the .bat file?
2020-01-05 04:49:59	jneira	yeah, for that reason the users reporting the issue are all in windows
2020-01-05 04:50:28	alanz	ok, I will publish a new one, with that edited out
2020-01-05 04:51:59	jneira	and the option will be not needed then
2020-01-05 04:53:21	jneira	or you want to keep it just in case a custom wrapper already use it?
2020-01-05 04:55:04	alanz	I'd rather keep it, I can imagine a custom wrapper that does its own thing.
2020-01-05 04:55:25	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/commit/166745998c9906a86b2cd6cb9cf03e23b28a23fe
2020-01-05 04:55:46	alanz	Will tag it shortly, leading to a new release. Unless you see something odd
2020-01-05 04:58:41	jneira	no, it looks good
2020-01-05 04:59:09	alanz	thanks, will tag it
2020-01-05 04:59:27	fendor	is merging https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1522 fine? 
2020-01-05 04:59:46	fendor	or are we waiting for more feedback?
2020-01-05 04:59:47	jneira	it is better for sure to have the 2 scripts semantically identical
2020-01-05 05:00:14	jneira	fendor: i tried in windows and it behaves correctly 
2020-01-05 05:00:20	fendor	jneira, thank you! 
2020-01-05 05:00:24	alanz	fendor, fine with me, I saw three other reviewers called in, figured I would merge it in the morning if there was no response or if there was
2020-01-05 05:00:38	fendor	I want to add tests for cabal-helper next week
2020-01-05 05:00:43	fendor	alanz, good call
2020-01-05 05:00:44	alanz	jneira, thanks, and I agree that having the scripts the same is good
2020-01-05 05:03:44	jneira	i'll check the extension release when it is done, just in case
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2020-01-05 05:04:57	alanz	jneira, its on the marketplace
2020-01-05 05:05:11	jneira	nice
2020-01-05 05:05:58	alanz	but not installing yet, I guess there is a lag for the catalog exposed to vscode itself
2020-01-05 05:06:28	alanz	and there it comes
2020-01-05 05:08:48	jneira	yeah, i've just tested it and works like a charm, thanks for the quick fix
2020-01-05 05:09:03	jneira	i'll comment in the issues if you agree
2020-01-05 05:11:42	alanz	please do
2020-01-05 06:21:27	alanz	fendor, I merged https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1522
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2020-01-05 16:20:18	fendor	I dont envy whoever writes our changelog for this month
2020-01-05 16:23:25	alanz	fendor, I am about to bump resolvers, then will take a look
2020-01-05 16:23:41	alanz	I normally just list the merged PRs, with a link to them
2020-01-05 16:23:42	fendor	alanz, thank you! 
2020-01-05 16:24:14	fendor	Ah yes, that is better than closed issues.
2020-01-05 16:24:46	alanz	Yes. And the project repo exists for people who want to dig into the bowels of the thing
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2020-01-05 16:25:07	fendor	still 23 pr's
2020-01-05 16:25:16	fendor	52 closed issues
2020-01-05 16:25:37	alanz	it was a busy month :)
2020-01-05 16:26:00	fendor	not even counting the pr and issues we closed over at matt's repo
2020-01-05 16:26:29	alanz	I know, this is actually the culmination of months of work
2020-01-05 16:27:17	fendor	yeah. So, apparently that would be another 70 prs 
2020-01-05 16:27:46	fendor	ah, only 60, some got only closed 
2020-01-05 16:28:01	sicklorkin	Are there any RTS opts I can use w/hie to prevent it from chewing through mem? Something like an RLIMIT.  Every couple of hours my machine starts swapping and if I don't notice right away, well, :'(
2020-01-05 16:29:27	fendor	sicklorkin, may I ask, what version of hie you are using and on which project?
2020-01-05 16:29:59	fendor	I am not experiencing such memory spikes anymore, so, maybe we need to open a new bug report
2020-01-05 16:30:13	sicklorkin	fendor: f7e0db0e (tag 0.14.0.0) project is a personal one. about 20k lines
2020-01-05 16:30:33	mpickering	sicklorkin: If it's public then we would love to reproduce the issue with the current master
2020-01-05 16:31:09	sicklorkin	mpickering: unfortuantely it's not public 
2020-01-05 16:31:25	mpickering	but to answer your question you can use `+RTS -M` to limit the heap size
2020-01-05 16:31:26	fendor	sicklorkin, that is like 500 commits behind master, can you try out latest master, or wait 1 day or 2 for the next release and give it a spin?
2020-01-05 16:32:00	mpickering	sicklorkin: There are also some instructions on master now about how to do some profiling if it's still an issue after you upgrade
2020-01-05 16:32:03	sicklorkin	fendor: Okay, no worries rebuilding current head and updating again later..
2020-01-05 16:32:21	sicklorkin	mpickering: I'm looking at those notes now
2020-01-05 16:32:33	sicklorkin	thanks everyone
2020-01-05 16:32:58	mpickering	we did fix the worst cases though I think so hopefully memory usage is at least better on master
2020-01-05 16:33:48	fendor	yeah, I can run hie for hours on the hie codebase, which is admittedly a small code-base, but no chewing through memory anymore
2020-01-05 16:35:48	mpickering	it's unfortunate that getting a reputation is easier than shaking it
2020-01-05 16:38:53	sicklorkin	just outta curiousity what would you deem as typical mem usage?
2020-01-05 16:39:23	fendor	sicklorkin, project size dependant. Bug hie takes roughly over 1 GB of memory for me.
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2020-01-05 19:11:43	lukelau	fendor: pong
2020-01-05 19:12:19	lukelau	sorry, my irc client was disconnected all day yesterda
2020-01-05 19:15:55	fendor	lukelau, no worries. I think I wanted to ask you something about #1522 but since it is merged, the question is resolved
2020-01-05 19:19:59	lukelau	fendor: for https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1526 I think I’ve found the “root cause”
2020-01-05 19:20:38	lukelau	which boils down to how hie.yaml cabal cradles can only specify one component
2020-01-05 19:20:56	lukelau	so the flags given back only contain the modules for that one component
2020-01-05 19:21:43	lukelau	but it is possible just to pass the path to it and let cabal figure it out too
2020-01-05 19:22:38	alanz	lukelau, this is partly the problem that cabal-helper solves. And it used to do this by merging components, which "mostly" just worked, but could break if you had weird cabal configs
2020-01-05 19:22:44	alanz	so is not really sustainable
2020-01-05 19:24:27	 *	alanz about to start preparing a release, for current master, as 1.0
2020-01-05 19:24:48	mpickering	I haven't had the activation energy to try to integrate ghcide into h-i-e this holiday so apologies everyone for that
2020-01-05 19:25:06	alanz	mpickering, no problem, and not unexpected
2020-01-05 19:25:06	lukelau	is there any advantage then to specifying a specific component rather than just letting cabal figure out the right component for each file? we don’t need to have multiple components a once, just have each file get the flags for the correct component
2020-01-05 19:25:33	alanz	And perhaps not a bad thing, given I am trying to get a whole bunch of people to pay attention to it at your Bristol hackathon
2020-01-05 19:25:50	mpickering	lukelau: cabal doesn't expose an interface for telling you which component a file belongs to
2020-01-05 19:26:06	lukelau	mpickering: last time i checked we weren’t getting paid for this so no need to apologise :)
2020-01-05 19:26:06	mpickering	that support needs to be added upstream
2020-01-05 19:26:25	alanz	I think it should be possible to come up with a set of possible components for a given file, and if only one just use it
2020-01-05 19:26:27	lukelau	but the cabal cradle action just calls v2-repl
2020-01-05 19:26:41	mpickering	yeah, which doesn't work in any complex case
2020-01-05 19:26:43	lukelau	if you pass `cabal v2-repl Foo.hs` it loads up the flags for the right component
2020-01-05 19:26:51	mpickering	Err since when?
2020-01-05 19:27:09	lukelau	as of… last night?
2020-01-05 19:27:20	lukelau	I’m not sure if its documented anywhere.
2020-01-05 19:27:22	alanz	I actually wonder if using repl as the go-to solution is the right one. It *does* get kept up to date, but it tends to be pretty hacky, in my (limited) experience
2020-01-05 19:27:27	lukelau	but my experience so far has been that it “just works"
2020-01-05 19:27:37	mpickering	The point of using the v2-repl trick is not a permanent one
2020-01-05 19:27:53	mpickering	it's just something which currently works
2020-01-05 19:27:54	lukelau	right, so eventually we’ll want to get rid of the wrapper
2020-01-05 19:27:54	alanz	ok, good. Main thing is hie-bios allows us flexibility
2020-01-05 19:28:10	mpickering	but should be subtly broken so eventually someone is motivated to implement a proper interface we can use
2020-01-05 19:29:04	mpickering	the other motivation is that people would notice quickly if `v2-repl` was broken
2020-01-05 19:29:13	alanz	It also gives a clear API to be able to make experiments.
2020-01-05 19:29:21	mpickering	lukelau: stack does "support" this but we stopped using it
2020-01-05 19:29:40	mpickering	because it only returns the modules underneath the module you query for rather than the whole component
2020-01-05 19:29:53	mpickering	"this" being "stack repl Foo.hs"
2020-01-05 19:29:57	alanz	I think the stack repl behaviour is even worse than cabal v2-repl
2020-01-05 19:30:37	alanz	BTW, one of the things I want to discuss in Bristol is how we can expose a REPL via hie
2020-01-05 19:30:50	alanz	which also opens the way to supporting DAP
2020-01-05 19:31:23	lukelau	For the meantime though, before we scrap the wrapper and do things properly, would it be worthwhile to switch to this method in the wrapper https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1526#issuecomment-570837694
2020-01-05 19:32:23	lukelau	alanz: the DAP provides the protocol for the repl-y thing inside vscode right?
2020-01-05 19:33:09	alanz	lukelau, among other things
2020-01-05 19:33:23	alanz	And there is already one, called phoityne
2020-01-05 19:33:47	alanz	with various library components. The thing is to integrate it into the same session we are using in hie
2020-01-05 19:33:51	lukelau	ah yeah. do you know if there’s been much work on it so far?
2020-01-05 19:33:58	lukelau	*as of lately
2020-01-05 19:34:20	alanz	It has been under development for a long time, recently had an update. Was in existence before hie, even
2020-01-05 19:34:33	alanz	recently as in last week
2020-01-05 19:34:42	lukelau	excellent
2020-01-05 19:35:15	lukelau	do you think we could extend the hie plugin architecture enough to start supporting debuggers like phoityne?
2020-01-05 19:35:33	fendor	lukelau, explicit path to components work, though, right?
2020-01-05 19:35:57	fendor	mpickering, I agree no need to apologise!
2020-01-05 19:36:02	alanz	I hope so. It is a separate API endpoint though, so we might have to be creative with how we expose it. Limited stdio, server lifecycle, etc
2020-01-05 19:36:11	mpickering	alanz: What does "exposing a repl" mean? 
2020-01-05 19:36:17	mpickering	I don't know if LSP has any support for repls?
2020-01-05 19:36:20	lukelau	fendor: as in explicit path to modules inside a component?
2020-01-05 19:36:31	lukelau	mpickering: https://microsoft.github.io/debug-adapter-protocol/
2020-01-05 19:36:37	mpickering	Not DAP
2020-01-05 19:36:43	mpickering	the repl element
2020-01-05 19:36:59	fendor	like, an explicit hie.yaml with `- path: src; component: "lib"`
2020-01-05 19:37:00	alanz	mpickering, not to my knowledge
2020-01-05 19:37:28	lukelau	fendor: i think that would probably work
2020-01-05 19:37:36	alanz	I have given it some thought, and figured we could do something using the external interpreter, to separate the "user" part from the GHC session
2020-01-05 19:37:41	lukelau	the test case at the moment however has all the modules in one directory though
2020-01-05 19:38:06	alanz	together with that GHC issue to separate them out
2020-01-05 19:38:18	mpickering	I'm pretty sure in vscode the way to run a repl is by running it in one of the terminals
2020-01-05 19:38:34	mpickering	so the way to support a repl would be to invoke a process in the terminal which connects to the running hie server
2020-01-05 19:38:36	mpickering	?
2020-01-05 19:38:42	alanz	I agree
2020-01-05 19:38:52	alanz	To me there are two distinct issues
2020-01-05 19:39:09	mpickering	you probably want to spawn a different process for communicating though with a socket or something
2020-01-05 19:39:20	alanz	1) Get a repl session live against the same GHC session we use in hie, to prevent memory explosion etc
2020-01-05 19:39:25	alanz	2) expose it for use
2020-01-05 19:39:46	alanz	and (2) can be done via a variety of methods
2020-01-05 19:40:12	alanz	the different process and socket is -fexternal-interpreter
2020-01-05 19:40:23	lukelau	mpickering alanz: by repl are we not referring to the little repl bar inside the debugger? https://microsoft.github.io/debug-adapter-protocol/img/node-repl.gif
2020-01-05 19:40:28	lukelau	not like in the terminal
2020-01-05 19:40:28	alanz	it already allows us to override the pipes used to communicate with it
2020-01-05 19:40:52	alanz	lukelau, that is part of my problem (2)
2020-01-05 19:41:05	mpickering	lukelau: So your point is that you can use DAP just for the repl?
2020-01-05 19:41:15	lukelau	presumably
2020-01-05 19:41:17	alanz	the first, harder problem is to actually start up and manage a repl session, in a coordinated way with the hie session
2020-01-05 19:41:36	mpickering	I'm not that motivated by a repl though because I know it won't work on GHC's code base ha..
2020-01-05 19:42:06	alanz	mpickering, your "itch" is working on GHC, but it is a very narrow subset of hie users
2020-01-05 19:42:32	alanz	Great that it does work, but the preferred way is with a repl
2020-01-05 19:42:39	alanz	for most people
2020-01-05 19:43:01	mpickering	I suppose running most functions from ghc will work but as soon as you start running :main it won't
2020-01-05 19:43:11	alanz	btw, I noticed hie does not work with GHC, using the supplied cradle. Current master
2020-01-05 19:43:21	mpickering	yes I know that
2020-01-05 19:43:35	alanz	mpickering, it can, if we delegate the execution to the external interpreter
2020-01-05 19:43:50	alanz	so the session with all the info, stays live
2020-01-05 19:43:51	mpickering	the hie-bios scripts needs to be tweaked to put each argument on a separate line, it's easy to fix
2020-01-05 19:44:15	mpickering	alanz: No the issue is that to run main you need the right version of interface files for base libraries
2020-01-05 19:44:17	alanz	mpickering, if you point me at the right place I may give it a go.
2020-01-05 19:44:34	alanz	Do we no longer have that?
2020-01-05 19:44:53	alanz	as a side-effect of hie-bios?
2020-01-05 19:45:09	mpickering	alanz: You need to modify `hadrian/hie-bios` to echo each argument onto a newline 
2020-01-05 19:45:14	mpickering	rather than spare separated
2020-01-05 19:45:38	alanz	ok. Will that still work with ghcide? Dont want to break that.
2020-01-05 19:45:44	mpickering	I think so
2020-01-05 19:45:53	mpickering	it is in the latest release
2020-01-05 19:46:03	 *	alanz starting to play with API Annotations in the HsSyn AST
2020-01-05 19:46:12	alanz	ok
2020-01-05 19:46:50	alanz	mpickering, what is the problem with interface files for base libraries and a repl?
2020-01-05 19:47:32	mpickering	that when you run :main in ghci, you need interface files for ghc-8.10 etc
2020-01-05 19:47:58	mpickering	but the way to build them is by building stage2 and using that as the ghc to launch the repl
2020-01-05 19:48:15	alanz	ok, so you are talking about it in the GHC dev context
2020-01-05 19:48:29	alanz	which will of course be a way harder problem
2020-01-05 20:13:44	lukelau	fendor: do you know if there’s a way to force a test project in the testsuite to use a specific cradle?
2020-01-05 20:13:59	lukelau	at the moment the autogenerated hie.yaml files are always stack cradles for me but i want to make a test for a cabal cradle
2020-01-05 20:14:41	alanz	mpickering, FYI https://gist.github.com/alanz/95ca2a4c8834b235c5afea3220b4be39
2020-01-05 20:15:02	alanz	lukelau, I am sure I put that into place, in the test Main
2020-01-05 20:15:13	alanz	Or maybe it is in HaRe
2020-01-05 20:15:43	lukelau	alanz: the test is called Main?
2020-01-05 20:16:17	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/blob/ghc-8.8-hie-bios/test/Main.hs#L164-L214
2020-01-05 20:16:44	lukelau	cool, will try that
2020-01-05 20:16:53	alanz	See https://github.com/alanz/HaRe/blob/ghc-8.8-hie-bios/test/Main.hs#L25-L40
2020-01-05 20:17:10	alanz	it chooses one of three ways of testing, cabal old build, new build, or stack
2020-01-05 20:20:07	alanz	and incidentally mechanically generates a multi-cradle, but from fixed code
2020-01-05 20:20:34	mpickering	alanz:  does that work?
2020-01-05 20:20:58	alanz	I just put it into place and checked that it spits out what seems to be the right thing
2020-01-05 20:21:08	alanz	Have not tried it yet
2020-01-05 20:21:43	alanz	I am sure it could be combined into one though. Key thing is the shebang calling for bash, which does that substitution easily
2020-01-05 20:21:58	alanz	And it could probably happen directly on the original
2020-01-05 20:22:36	alanz	https://gist.github.com/alanz/e32858d287b7f9942f9e85d762b2dd56
2020-01-05 20:23:15	 *	alanz nerdsniping mpickering
2020-01-05 20:24:10	alanz	Right time to actually prepare a changelog, enough procrastination
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2020-01-05 20:29:41	mpickering	Oh you also have to send the arguments to a file 
2020-01-05 20:30:13	mpickering	Which you discover by the HIE_BIOS_OUTPUT variable
2020-01-05 20:30:26	fendor	lukelau, no, currently there is no way to do that
2020-01-05 20:30:41	alanz	ok. I am focusing on the hie release now, then need to do some errands. Will get back to it later.
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2020-01-05 20:42:11	alanz	Please review https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1548 for the ChangeLog
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2020-01-05 20:47:24	alanz	mpickering, It works for "ghcide compiler" as per https://gist.github.com/alanz/9879846d939825e59c1b7d237f0fe50b
2020-01-05 20:47:39	alanz	What does the HIE_BIOS_OUTPUT do?
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2020-01-05 20:48:16	mpickering	your version of ghcide is old
2020-01-05 20:48:43	alanz	ok, upgrading
2020-01-05 20:48:46	fendor	while trying to build hie, my pc just died. crashed and now I cant reboot it :(
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2020-01-05 20:48:57	alanz	ouch
2020-01-05 20:49:21	alanz	I would claim those two things are not directly related. Or I hope not
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2020-01-05 20:49:25	alanz	disk full?
2020-01-05 20:50:04	fendor	Nah, I doubt it, too. 
2020-01-05 20:50:32	fendor	No, disk is not full
2020-01-05 20:50:36	fendor	I have like 1 TB free
2020-01-05 20:51:41	fendor	and in the last weeks, my notebook was acting up, too :/ just crashing. I dont have much luck with my devices lately
2020-01-05 20:51:56	alanz	mpickering, I get the same result with "ghcide version: 0.0.5 (GHC: 8.6.5)" from hackage
2020-01-05 20:52:12	alanz	fendor, its a pain
2020-01-05 20:52:42	alanz	mpickering, I also find nothing in the ghc tree if I grep for "HIE_BIOS_OUTPUT"
2020-01-05 20:53:19	mpickering	I have no idea how that works then
2020-01-05 20:53:52	mpickering	perhaps the bios cradle implementation is broken
2020-01-05 20:53:56	alanz	well, main this is that it does, with the newline-separated stuff
2020-01-05 20:54:05	fendor	yeah... Now I can no longer procrastinate and have to read the paper I am supposed to present in two weeks.
2020-01-05 20:54:10	alanz	I interpret the output as correct?
2020-01-05 20:54:26	mpickering	no it has extra stuff in it which is wrong
2020-01-05 20:54:41	alanz	fendor, I know the feeling. Trick is creative procrastination, procrastinate with other, useful things
2020-01-05 20:54:48	alanz	ok
2020-01-05 20:55:13	alanz	mpickering, what do you mean?
2020-01-05 20:55:51	alanz	I am talking about this: https://gist.github.com/alanz/5e45ba5a719318731dfebf1e9f814729
2020-01-05 20:56:01	alanz	which seems to me to be happy?
2020-01-05 20:56:23	mpickering	yes I don't know how
2020-01-05 20:56:43	fendor	I am procrastinating a lot by doing stuff on hie, so, that is at least useful to someone :)
2020-01-05 20:57:00	alanz	fendor, yes indeed
2020-01-05 20:59:03	mpickering	alanz if that's a real version of ghcide it should not work at all
2020-01-05 20:59:38	alanz	well, I did "cabal new-install ghcide --overwrite-policy=always"
2020-01-05 20:59:54	alanz	but have not tried to actually run it, do not have the client set up
2020-01-05 21:00:09	mpickering	yeah I am looking into it
2020-01-05 21:03:03	alanz	running it under hie, it cant find include files. https://gist.github.com/alanz/74123dd4dcd660137ca6b84d1edbda0b
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2020-01-05 21:07:49	alanz	Just saw a reference to this: https://www.sourcetrail.com/
2020-01-05 21:08:01	alanz	code exploration is becoming a big thing now
2020-01-05 21:08:44	fendor	yeah, we have https://haskell-code-explorer.mfix.io/, too
2020-01-05 21:09:15	fendor	alanz, I will think about a feature list in the next hour, is that alright?
2020-01-05 21:10:19	alanz	fendor, perfect, I am about to step out for a bit
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2020-01-05 23:29:15	alanz	mpickering, ghcid with GHC for chasing changes is great
2020-01-06 00:23:56	fendor	alanz, do you know how https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1550 worked before?
2020-01-06 00:27:24	alanz	fendor, it worked, because cabale-helper can do it
2020-01-06 00:27:43	alanz	And for me that is one of the really important use cases
2020-01-06 00:27:54	alanz	especially if you have a newbie wanting to try haskell
2020-01-06 00:28:03	alanz	even cabal v2-repl should work for it
2020-01-06 00:28:25	alanz	and it does not. No cabal file.
2020-01-06 00:29:31	alanz	So the "expected" behaviour should perhaps be the equivalent of "ghci main.hs", assuming there is a ghci on the path
2020-01-06 00:31:26	fendor	did cabal-helper support it or ghc-mod?
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2020-01-06 00:32:01	alanz	well, ghc-mod was just a wrapper around cabal-helper, I think. Not sure about this though
2020-01-06 00:32:04	alanz	dxld, ping
2020-01-06 00:33:51	alanz	can we specify a cradle of type ghci, perhaps. As an option
2020-01-06 00:34:20	fendor	we can specify a cradle of type direct, which should work
2020-01-06 00:36:49	fendor	having a hie.yaml with `cradle: { direct: { arguments: [] } }` works for me
2020-01-06 00:38:22	alanz	cradle: {direct: []}
2020-01-06 00:38:22	alanz	 does noe
2020-01-06 00:38:24	alanz	not
2020-01-06 00:38:38	alanz	which is what the hie-bios README currently says
2020-01-06 00:39:06	alanz	we should assume that one, if we do not find a cabal file, and there is no hie.yaml
2020-01-06 00:39:29	fendor	Ok.
2020-01-06 00:39:33	fendor	we can do that
2020-01-06 00:39:38	fendor	shouldnt be too hard
2020-01-06 00:41:04	alanz	great, thanks. And I see vscode loads it, the emacs lsp machinery does not even try
2020-01-06 00:41:08	alanz	damn.
2020-01-06 00:41:56	alanz	ah, wait, I blacklisted the /tmp dir
2020-01-06 00:42:53	alanz	and the direct cradle does work in emacs.
2020-01-06 00:43:00	fendor	great.
2020-01-06 00:43:08	alanz	aside, starting hie without args is a nice cradle debug tool
2020-01-06 00:43:29	fendor	absolutely, that is why we are copying it from hie ;)
2020-01-06 00:43:33	fendor	*ghcide
2020-01-06 00:43:36	fendor	i am tired
2020-01-06 00:43:44	fendor	or rather depressed because of my pc :(
2020-01-06 00:43:57	fendor	s/depressed/grumpy/
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2020-01-06 00:50:05	lukelau	fendor: did you get your pc fixed?
2020-01-06 00:50:29	fendor	lukelau, no, just removed the gfx and unplugged a bunch of stuff, still nothing
2020-01-06 00:51:11	fendor	motherboard makes one short beep, which seems to indicate a "Memory refresh timer error." if I only knew what does means
2020-01-06 00:51:32	lukelau	dead ram?
2020-01-06 00:51:38	lukelau	im not a hardware guy
2020-01-06 00:51:42	fendor	neither am i :(
2020-01-06 00:51:48	lukelau	hopefully you get it sorted soon
2020-01-06 00:51:53	fendor	but yeah, I can try the ram
2020-01-06 00:51:57	lukelau	pcs tend to be helpful for programming
2020-01-06 00:52:33	fendor	that is not my work-station, it is my "gaming" station :D it might mean that I am more productive for work now^^
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2020-01-06 00:55:40	alanz	fendor, a "silver lining"?
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2020-01-06 00:55:56	alanz	lukelau, are you ok with https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1548?
2020-01-06 00:56:12	alanz	Because I am ready to kick off the process now
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2020-01-06 00:57:09	fendor	hehe, probably
2020-01-06 00:57:11	lukelau	alanz: real quick trying to think off the top of my head what other cool stuff we now have
2020-01-06 00:57:31	alanz	ok. I would not stress too much right now
2020-01-06 00:57:40	lukelau	I think fendor covered it all
2020-01-06 00:57:43	fendor	alanz, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1551
2020-01-06 00:58:02	lukelau	alanz: lgtm
2020-01-06 00:59:14	fendor	alanz, initial blow testing indicate that it works
2020-01-06 00:59:32	alanz	fendor, you are on fire. Awesome.
2020-01-06 00:59:42	alanz	I'm prepared to hold the release for that.
2020-01-06 00:59:53	fendor	we can wait for half an hour and see if the tests are also satisfied and maybe merge it immediately for the release or just release now
2020-01-06 00:59:55	lukelau	I think this release is newsworthy enough that you might want to make an announcement on haskell-cafe or something
2020-01-06 01:00:17	lukelau	get some more people to try it again/upgrade
2020-01-06 01:00:21	alanz	fendor, I would prefer to wait for CI, hate to get it out there with a silly typo thing
2020-01-06 01:00:51	fendor	I meant, wait for the CI results and then decide to release it, not merge and release immediately :D 
2020-01-06 01:01:00	alanz	lukelau, my view is it is not as solid as it should be, we will pick up a lot of unhappiness if we push it too hard.
2020-01-06 01:01:36	alanz	fendor, I will update the Changelog for it to be merged, then will push the button straight after it merges
2020-01-06 01:01:37	lukelau	fair enough, we’re getting close to being solid anyway
2020-01-06 01:01:40	fendor	I think the same. There were a bunch of workflow breaking changes and bugs in the last weeks.
2020-01-06 01:01:53	fendor	but for the next release, when we have stabilised even more, I think it makes sense
2020-01-06 01:02:02	fendor	in combination with a hackage release maybe
2020-01-06 01:04:53	alanz	yes, the Jan release will hopefully be hackage based, if we have the packaging sorted
2020-01-06 01:06:06	fendor	I dont think hackage release is tied to packaging, right?
2020-01-06 01:06:43	fendor	something is maxing out my notebook cpu, please dont merge https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1551 until I found out why
2020-01-06 01:07:10	alanz	ok on 1551
2020-01-06 01:07:23	fendor	oh, it might be actually that vscode tries to create an index for my ~
2020-01-06 01:07:48	alanz	hackage and packaging are related, I think. People will expect to be able to just "cabal new-install haskell-ide-engine" and have it work
2020-01-06 01:07:53	fendor	btw, the performance for #1551 is not good, it seems to do no caching 
2020-01-06 01:08:08	fendor	maybe I can fix that
2020-01-06 01:08:14	alanz	fendor, it is more about that it does actually work
2020-01-06 01:08:29	fendor	but I have an idea
2020-01-06 01:08:52	alanz	ok
2020-01-06 01:08:57	lukelau	fendor: time to check the module graph?
2020-01-06 01:09:29	fendor	lukelau, for https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1526 or do you mean for #1551?
2020-01-06 01:09:37	lukelau	1551
2020-01-06 01:10:03	lukelau	for 1526, I have this https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/123
2020-01-06 01:10:09	fendor	yeah, I just add the file to the ccomponentOptions
2020-01-06 01:10:37	fendor	oh goodness, we are running into yet another Cabal bug?
2020-01-06 01:10:38	lukelau	had to spin up a windows vm on google cloud to figure out where the windows CI was going wrong
2020-01-06 01:10:56	lukelau	fendor: the C: drive workaround thing? I would call that a cabal bug yes
2020-01-06 01:11:06	lukelau	the actual purpose of the pr is not a cabal bug though
2020-01-06 01:11:24	lukelau	its just letting cabal decide what component the module passed into cradleAction should be
2020-01-06 01:11:29	lukelau	and letting it sort out the dependencies
2020-01-06 01:11:38	lukelau	Unlike stack, the cabal v2-repl actually loads the whole module graph
2020-01-06 01:11:45	fendor	lukelau, that is really cool, but it is undocumented? 
2020-01-06 01:12:11	lukelau	No, it’s documented but then they say it’s not implemented
2020-01-06 01:12:12	fendor	oh really? Is that something useful for HaRe?
2020-01-06 01:12:12	lukelau	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1526#issuecomment-570917496
2020-01-06 01:12:44	lukelau	possibly? im not sure what exactly HaRe needs
2020-01-06 01:12:59	lukelau	but either way the cabal v2-repl loads modules across components which is nice
2020-01-06 01:13:07	alanz	HaRe needs at the very least a full module graph for the current component
2020-01-06 01:13:34	fendor	a module graph for the current component is already possible, I thought it needs a module graph over all components?
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2020-01-06 01:13:49	alanz	The basic need is to find "client modules", which are defined as ones that (possibly transitively) include the module we are changing
2020-01-06 01:13:56	fendor	s/is already possible/I thought that is already possible/
2020-01-06 01:14:19	alanz	fendor, it may be possible, but that feature is no longer exposed in the current machinery
2020-01-06 01:14:21	fendor	alanz, lukelau, ok, now #1551 caches the file and works. 
2020-01-06 01:14:28	alanz	fendor, great
2020-01-06 01:14:51	fendor	base modules can be loaded, e.g. Data.List
2020-01-06 01:15:00	alanz	wrt HaRe/modulegraph, we decided to take it off the critical path so we could deal with it in a more deliberate way
2020-01-06 01:15:13	lukelau	such a clean PR :)
2020-01-06 01:15:27	alanz	fendor, if you start a bare ghci session there is very little expectation of anything beyond base
2020-01-06 01:15:39	alanz	does it honour a .ghci file, btw?
2020-01-06 01:15:45	lukelau	fendor: once/if #1526 gets merged then we can start writing tests for module caching
2020-01-06 01:15:45	fendor	no.
2020-01-06 01:16:15	alanz	we should maybe put an issue that direct mode should honour .ghci?
2020-01-06 01:16:19	fendor	or at least, if it does I didnt do anythiing for it
2020-01-06 01:16:27	alanz	i.e. mimic whatever ghci would do
2020-01-06 01:16:42	fendor	ok, yeah, that sounds nice
2020-01-06 01:16:50	alanz	because they often set extensions, search paths, extra packages
2020-01-06 01:16:58	fendor	lukelau, oh yeah, more tests would be great
2020-01-06 01:17:34	fendor	alanz, in the root directory or ~/.ghci should be honoured?
2020-01-06 01:18:19	alanz	I was just thinking about that. I think we should use the ghci machinery for that. It has a whole search path logic for it, starting with the cwd
2020-01-06 01:18:42	alanz	so there should not be any subtle different behaviours
2020-01-06 01:18:51	fendor	well, you can include it explicitly in the direct cradle, iirc
2020-01-06 01:19:09	alanz	can we not use ghci the way we currently use cabal v2-repl, to spit out options?
2020-01-06 01:19:31	alanz	the idea is to work as expected in ghci mode, *without* a cradle at all
2020-01-06 01:20:14	fendor	I dont know, we can definitely not supply a custom compiler
2020-01-06 01:20:42	alanz	fendor, I don't understand what you mean by that
2020-01-06 01:21:14	fendor	sorry, currently we are doing `cabal v2-repl -w script` and use this `script` to dump the ghc-options into another file
2020-01-06 01:21:25	fendor	ghci does not have such a flag
2020-01-06 01:21:30	alanz	ah
2020-01-06 01:22:03	alanz	But I seem to recall some hullabaloo about invoking it with a plugin specified via the command line, which could then do that?
2020-01-06 01:22:30	fendor	I dont know, sorry :)
2020-01-06 01:25:15	fendor	alanz, ok, if we add to the direct cradle `-i.` then we can even import other local modules
2020-01-06 01:25:51	fendor	that is a wanted feature, right?
2020-01-06 01:26:49	alanz	http://blog.ezyang.com/2017/02/how-to-integrate-ghc-api-programs-with-cabal/
2020-01-06 01:27:43	alanz	I *think* that approach might work with vanilla ghci too
2020-01-06 01:27:52	alanz	and ghci is just ghc with specific flags
2020-01-06 01:32:30	fendor	ok, one last addition for the direct cradle so that importing local modules works.
2020-01-06 01:33:45	alanz	great
2020-01-06 01:35:13	fendor	that is actually very useful for my fellow students, too. power_fungus and I try to force our old professor to adopt new technologies, e.g. by convincing him to use HIE, cabal and stack
2020-01-06 01:36:04	alanz	fendor, working with a bare haskell file? Critical use case, for adoption
2020-01-06 01:36:26	fendor	yeah.
2020-01-06 01:36:34	alanz	"if it can't even .." ,and then they are gone
2020-01-06 01:36:55	fendor	Unfortunately, there is one external library, we are almost always have to use: `array`
2020-01-06 01:37:34	fendor	yeah, I agree. Just opening a single file is great.
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2020-01-06 01:40:21	alanz	that is where the .ghci file is useful, if you have ":set -package array", or whatever the syntax is
2020-01-06 01:40:43	fendor	I have another bug, if I have aa file open that compiles, and I format it with brittany, hie crashes, can somebody reproduce? Is that nix specific?
2020-01-06 01:41:42	fendor	looks like this: https://hastebin.com/yonucosele.coffeescript
2020-01-06 01:46:24	alanz	that looks like GHC is being started up without knowing its home directory
2020-01-06 01:46:32	alanz	the infamous "libdir"
2020-01-06 01:47:03	fendor	I suppose, brittany somehow also depends on the ghc installation and crashes when the ghc version that initially build it got garbage collected
2020-01-06 01:50:34	fendor	*sigh* this looks like a blocker for packaging, too
2020-01-06 02:19:31	dxld	alanz: plain file cradle was handled by ghc-mod just by not passing any options to GHC :)
2020-01-06 02:20:06	alanz	dxld, thanks
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2020-01-06 02:46:57	fendor	dxld, now we are doing the same
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2020-01-06 03:12:15	alanz	fendor, will merge shortly, appveyor is nearly done.
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2020-01-06 03:33:01	alanz	merged the two PRs, building master locally as final check, then will tag
2020-01-06 03:36:19	alanz	And just realised we did not update hie-plugin-api version. Damn.
2020-01-06 03:38:49	fendor	no wrroes
2020-01-06 03:38:55	fendor	no worries.
2020-01-06 03:38:59	fendor	we will have another release :D 
2020-01-06 03:40:49	alanz	I am fixing it now, wont be long
2020-01-06 03:42:20	fendor	ok 
2020-01-06 03:45:27	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/releases/tag/1.0.0.0
2020-01-06 03:47:00	fendor	nice
2020-01-06 03:48:28	fendor	do we have to ping infinisil, too?
2020-01-06 03:48:37	fendor	woops, I just did.
2020-01-06 03:48:39	fendor	sorry
2020-01-06 03:49:19	alanz	http://hackage.haskell.org/package/hie-plugin-api-1.0.0.0/candidate
2020-01-06 03:49:40	infinisil	o/
2020-01-06 03:49:52	fendor	:O 
2020-01-06 03:50:23	infinisil	I shall get to updating all-hies soon
2020-01-06 03:50:25	alanz	now trying to get hackage happy with the main one too
2020-01-06 03:50:29	fendor	infinisil, hey, we just did a hie release, dunno if you have to update anything
2020-01-06 03:50:46	fendor	alanz, why is the documentation missing?
2020-01-06 03:50:54	infinisil	Yup, still not automated :)
2020-01-06 03:51:29	alanz	I only just uploaded it, it is either not built yet on matrix, or that is not a thing. That is a *candidate*, uploaded to reserve the name only
2020-01-06 03:51:39	alanz	I have no intention of publishing it for a while yet
2020-01-06 03:52:09	fendor	alanz, ah, I see, avoid name squatting
2020-01-06 03:53:03	alanz	yes. and we now have http://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-ide-engine-1.0.0.0/candidate too
2020-01-06 03:53:16	alanz	Who wants to be in the maintainers group for it?
2020-01-06 03:53:31	fendor	:O I am very excited
2020-01-06 03:53:36	fendor	me, me, me, me
2020-01-06 03:53:57	alanz	of course fendor, who else?
2020-01-06 03:54:21	alanz	your hackage name is "fendor"?
2020-01-06 03:55:06	alanz	lukelau ?
2020-01-06 03:56:15	alanz	http://hackage.haskell.org/user/fendor
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2020-01-06 04:04:56	alanz	fendor, if you missed it, see http://hackage.haskell.org/user/fendor
2020-01-06 04:05:21	fendor	alanz, thank you!
2020-01-06 04:05:31	fendor	I didnt know I was a maintainer for apply-refact, though
2020-01-06 04:05:54	alanz	nor did I, to be honest. I presume mpickering did it when he added you to hie-bios too
2020-01-06 04:06:08	fendor	yeah, makes sense
2020-01-06 04:06:22	fendor	then I should get familiar with the code-base I suppose
2020-01-06 04:07:07	alanz	I just made an announcement of 1.0 on twitter, fwiw
2020-01-06 04:09:50	fendor	nice. I dont have twitter, so cant like it, but nice!
2020-01-06 04:11:22	alanz	I normally put out a brief statement that there is a new tag
2020-01-06 04:12:38	alanz	fendor, I just opened that bare file again, without the hie.yaml. Instant startup, and info. Well done
2020-01-06 04:12:56	alanz	haddocks and ll
2020-01-06 04:12:57	alanz	all
2020-01-06 04:13:19	fendor	alanz, thanks! The architecture permits it trivially, which I didnt expect in the beginning. 
2020-01-06 04:13:29	fendor	Expected more than a 5 line change
2020-01-06 04:14:17	alanz	nice thing to find out
2020-01-06 04:14:37	alanz	And I guess we should include a functional test for it.
2020-01-06 04:15:12	fendor	yeah.
2020-01-06 04:15:16	alanz	I have done things in the past like making a temp dir in the system/user temp area, and creating a project there, or copying it. So you are sure there is no higher config files
2020-01-06 04:15:18	fendor	I am writing some unit-tests for c-h now
2020-01-06 04:15:24	alanz	I think cabal-helper does that too.
2020-01-06 04:15:28	alanz	great
2020-01-06 04:15:47	fendor	just so we dont get taken by surprise by changes in c-h again
2020-01-06 04:18:15	alanz	good 
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2020-01-06 04:19:04	lukelau	alanz: sure luke_
2020-01-06 04:19:08	alanz	A minor nit. In https://gist.github.com/alanz/9fe13fc1adc80cdcb55807ef079ecff9 it reports a file that does not exist
2020-01-06 04:19:15	alanz	which can confuse people
2020-01-06 04:19:19	alanz	lukelau, will add you
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2020-01-06 04:21:08	fendor	alanz, yeah, I dont know how to properly hide this. Maybe demote to debug? But I wanted especially this log line to know exactly which cradle got loaded associated to which file
2020-01-06 04:21:19	fendor	and for debugging, that is important, too.
2020-01-06 04:22:06	alanz	I am not worried about the log.
2020-01-06 04:22:23	alanz	The main thing is it probes for "`pwd`/File.hs"
2020-01-06 04:22:30	alanz	where File.hs is just a name
2020-01-06 04:22:41	fendor	ok, yeah
2020-01-06 04:22:57	alanz	I dont think its a big problem, gives the info, thats the main thing
2020-01-06 04:23:31	alanz	But I really like the way ghcide does it, finds all the files in the given args or reachable from pwd if no args, and tries to load each one
2020-01-06 04:23:47	alanz	spitting out whatever diagnostics it gets
2020-01-06 04:24:11	alanz	lukelau, http://hackage.haskell.org/user/luke_
2020-01-06 04:24:15	fendor	you mean without `--lsp`? Should we clone that behaviour entirely? 
2020-01-06 04:24:26	alanz	Probably
2020-01-06 04:24:27	fendor	it is more complicated for us, since we support multi-cradles
2020-01-06 04:24:55	fendor	or at least, I expect it to be a bit more complicated
2020-01-06 04:24:59	alanz	But perhaps not worry too much in the interim, depends on where we end up with hie-core integration, the next logical step
2020-01-06 04:25:48	fendor	well, however it develops with ghcide, it will take definitely some months before integration and this feature is pretty interesting right now
2020-01-06 04:26:55	alanz	I would love to see it improved, it is a huge help with sorting people out.
2020-01-06 04:27:18	alanz	We just need to be aware of what is on the horizon, in terms of time spent on it.
2020-01-06 04:27:39	alanz	But I do agree that sorting out a solution for multi-cradle needs to be done, however we end up
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2020-01-06 17:22:13	mpickering	fendor: What is this issue with ormolu?
2020-01-06 17:22:30	fendor	mpickering, what in particular?
2020-01-06 17:22:31	mpickering	Does the library not expose a function in the `Ghc` monad you can just invoke in the current GHC session?
2020-01-06 17:23:08	fendor	I didnt take a look yet
2020-01-06 17:23:41	mpickering	starting another GHC session sounds a bit unecessary
2020-01-06 17:24:14	fendor	I think brittany and floskell do that at the moment?
2020-01-06 17:24:36	mpickering	ergh it uses ghc-lib-parser
2020-01-06 17:24:43	mpickering	which is incompatible anyway
2020-01-06 17:24:45	mpickering	how messy
2020-01-06 17:25:05	fendor	yeah and some use haskell-src-exts
2020-01-06 17:25:40	fendor	floskell uses haskell-src-exts
2020-01-06 17:40:17	lukelau	fendor: brittany and floskell just pass some text to an IO function as far as im aware
2020-01-06 17:40:31	fendor	lukelau, yeah, we dont pass any of the language extensions, too
2020-01-06 17:41:36	fendor	same issue with hlint.
2020-01-06 17:44:54	lukelau	fendor mpickering: do you have any more thoughts on https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/123 by the way
2020-01-06 17:45:50	fendor	lukelau, we could try to maintain previous behaviour and only pass the filepath if the component is nothing? Not sure if that makes sense, though
2020-01-06 17:46:42	lukelau	that won’t fix the case then if a component is set
2020-01-06 17:47:07	cocreature	hlint compiles against ghc instead of ghc-lib-parser if you’re on GHC 8.8 which allows you to reuse the GHC session and even the GHC parse tree
2020-01-06 17:47:58	lukelau	is it worthwhile addressing this in hie-bios? or should we just do a workaround in haskell-ide-engine
2020-01-06 17:48:33	lukelau	the gist i got from mpickering was that the cabal-repl-wrapper method of getting flags was vaguely temporary anyway
2020-01-06 17:49:11	fendor	cocreature, oh that is cool! that makes stuff easier
2020-01-06 17:49:33	fendor	lukelau, I suppose temporary until ghcide stuff lands?
2020-01-06 17:50:22	cocreature	probably ormulo can do something similar
2020-01-06 17:50:26	cocreature	*ormolu
2020-01-06 17:50:31	cocreature	I’ll never learn how to spell that
2020-01-06 17:51:05	fendor	lukelau, having a hie.yaml with this contents fixes the problem for me, afaict https://gist.github.com/fendor/11a9486640ddb5462e05e8b0a513f4dc
2020-01-06 17:51:23	fendor	and floskell and brittany maybe, too? 
2020-01-06 17:51:50	cocreature	I don’t think they use ghc-lib-parser right? so the issue there is a bit different
2020-01-06 17:52:18	fendor	no, they dont, they are based on haskell-src-exts
2020-01-06 17:52:40	lukelau	fendor: ghcide uses hie-bios anyway
2020-01-06 17:52:49	fendor	lukelau, yeah, but not the module loading stuff
2020-01-06 17:52:54	lukelau	ah right
2020-01-06 17:52:58	lukelau	what parts does it use?
2020-01-06 17:53:01	cocreature	brittanny uses the GHC API afaik not haskell-src-exts
2020-01-06 17:53:02	fendor	they *only* using hie.yaml and to set up the env
2020-01-06 17:53:16	lukelau	so no runCradleAction?
2020-01-06 17:53:53	fendor	lukelau, ok, that, too, iirc? So, cradle stuff
2020-01-06 17:54:17	lukelau	I see somewhere in Main.hs its calling getCompilerOptions
2020-01-06 17:54:39	fendor	right, so brittany should be possible too?
2020-01-06 17:54:41	cocreature	yeah we use hie-bios to figure out the flags we need to setup the GHC session and then do our own stuff from there on
2020-01-06 17:54:48	cocreature	fendor: probably, not to familiar with that
2020-01-06 17:55:02	cocreature	but tbh I also don’t think integrating 3 different formatters in hie is a good idea
2020-01-06 17:56:00	fendor	but ghcide sets up its own module graph, which is the problem for us, right?
2020-01-06 17:56:23	fendor	cocreature, why? Just too much horizontal complexity?
2020-01-06 17:56:26	cocreature	yeah
2020-01-06 17:56:38	lukelau	that bug isn’t really to do with the module graph, more so to do with the flags for the wrong module being given
2020-01-06 17:57:13	fendor	only if there is no component given?
2020-01-06 17:57:38	lukelau	or if only one component is given
2020-01-06 17:57:46	lukelau	and a file is loaded outside of that component
2020-01-06 17:57:55	lukelau	*module
2020-01-06 17:58:00	lukelau	need to be careful with my terminology here
2020-01-06 17:58:32	fendor	so, a module that is no component?
2020-01-06 17:59:05	lukelau	it still has a component, but isn’t the component for that cradle
2020-01-06 18:00:12	fendor	isnt that just the trade-off of the explicit hie.yaml? You have to be very verbose?
2020-01-06 18:00:17	lukelau	I’m now thinking of a scenario where it would be impractical to specify components for each path, if you had say 30 modules of one component and 30 modules of another in the same directory
2020-01-06 18:01:22	fendor	yeah. But that is just something that is hard to handle correctly
2020-01-06 18:01:52	lukelau	cabal can handle it fine
2020-01-06 18:02:27	lukelau	either way, the user isn’t going to know that they haven’t set up their hie.yaml correctly (i didnt know anyway) because it manifests itself in such a subtle error
2020-01-06 18:02:51	fendor	can it in all cases, though? What happens if a module is part of two components?
2020-01-06 18:02:53	lukelau	by giving the wrong flags, which still happen to work to load + typecheck that module
2020-01-06 18:03:16	lukelau	let me see what cabal does in that case
2020-01-06 18:04:14	fendor	in c-h we just select the first component that we can find
2020-01-06 18:04:22	fendor	that exposes that module
2020-01-06 18:04:30	lukelau	cabal v2-repl seems to be doing the same thing
2020-01-06 18:04:55	lukelau	I just changed the test case so OtherMain is in the lib and exe
2020-01-06 18:04:56	fendor	cocreature, do you think it is better once a plugin-system is established or do you think it is a bad idea in general?
2020-01-06 18:05:13	lukelau	and its loaded the library component
2020-01-06 18:06:49	fendor	ok. I just think it would be somewhat good to not change the behaviour of a cabal multi-cradle completely. And the format of hie.yaml
2020-01-06 18:09:19	cocreature	fendor: then it would be fine but given how few plugin systems I’ve seen in Haskell, I’m somewhat sceptical that this will come in the foreseeable future
2020-01-06 18:09:40	fendor	yeah, fair.
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2020-01-06 18:45:07	lukelau	fixing bugs is changing behaviour no? 😛 
2020-01-06 18:45:31	lukelau	fendor: it shouldn’t change the flags for people who are already doing the right thing in their hie.yaml
2020-01-06 18:46:29	lukelau	but should allow more use cases where people haven’t specified every component, or are just using a single cradle etc.
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2020-01-06 18:47:43	lukelau	at the very least, if a module filepath is being passed to runCradleAction that isn’t inside the component it should probably not return any flags at all in that case, rather than returning flags for the wrong module and leading to all sorts of weird subtle bugs
2020-01-06 18:53:36	mpickering	lukelau: My thoughts are that I am a bit nervous to change this as it is quite a crucial part of the project
2020-01-06 18:53:44	mpickering	and as I am lacking bandwidth I can't offer much comment
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2020-01-06 19:25:34	lukelau	mpickering: no rush at all. do take some time to look at it eventually though, it’s the nicest way i can think of fixing the issue in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1526 at the moment. im open to other suggestions of course
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2020-01-06 19:47:25	cocreature	alright, signed up for Bristol \o/
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2020-01-07 00:58:18	mpickering	cocreature: Great stuff, looking forward to seeing you
2020-01-07 00:58:31	mpickering	Now we just need fendor to leap into action :D 
2020-01-07 00:59:15	cocreature	fendor: what is stopping you from coming? :)
2020-01-07 01:01:18	mpickering	The british heat I think
2020-01-07 01:02:29	cocreature	understandable, it’s tough for me as well to leave the Swiss cold :)
2020-01-07 01:09:34	mpickering	when will you arrive cocreature ?
2020-01-07 01:09:48	mpickering	So I can work out if people will be here on friday night from a sample size of 1
2020-01-07 01:10:27	fendor	mpickering, cocreature, what did I miss?
2020-01-07 01:11:39	cocreature	mpickering: friday afternoon
2020-01-07 01:11:52	mpickering	direct to bristol or via london?
2020-01-07 01:12:02	cocreature	direct to bristol
2020-01-07 01:12:35	cocreature	well not direct from zurich, I have to take a train to basel but I trust the swiss train system more than the uk train system :)
2020-01-07 01:12:58	fendor	ah I see.
2020-01-07 01:13:26	mpickering	ha, I often consider things like this and likewise, prefer to travel (by bus) in my home country :P 
2020-01-07 01:15:19	cocreature	last time I had to take a train in the UK I got so confused that I’d rather avoid that :)
2020-01-07 01:21:48	fendor	last time I took the train in the UK, the train was three hours late :)
2020-01-07 01:22:35	fendor	making german trains look like they arrive on time
2020-01-07 01:23:53	Rembane	Take the german train the whole way <- lifehack
2020-01-07 01:24:49	fendor	Rembane, no internet, no elictricity and departing late?
2020-01-07 01:25:21	fendor	or at least no outlet
2020-01-07 01:25:27	mpickering	now on UK trains you can get compensation if they're late
2020-01-07 01:25:33	Rembane	fendor: But arriving earlier than the UK trains! 
2020-01-07 01:25:49	Rembane	fendor: I don't know how it's supposed to overtake other trains, but I'm sure they'll figure something out. 
2020-01-07 01:26:45	fendor	I think it is the same in germany. Or at least, we were able to re-book
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2020-01-07 15:42:39	jneira_	ha! https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1143#issuecomment-571521806
2020-01-07 15:43:54	jneira_	that only happens very occasionally in programming
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2020-01-07 16:36:17	fendor	jneira, should I tell power_fungus to remove or rename somehow their azure account?
2020-01-07 16:36:43	fendor	also, do you have a link to latest build-artifacts, or where they are going to be generated? I want to give it a spin :)
2020-01-07 16:40:28	jneira_	i am afraid thereare just problems with azure availability in europe: https://status.dev.azure.com/
2020-01-07 16:40:30	jneira_	arrgh
2020-01-07 16:40:33	jneira_	:-P
2020-01-07 16:42:02	jneira_	i have to fix the releases, hlint.yaml is not included yet :-|
2020-01-07 16:44:44	fendor	i can copy the hlint.yaml to a relative `data/` dir, though?
2020-01-07 16:45:26	jneira_	yeah
2020-01-07 16:46:10	jneira_	but you have to rename the cabal sotre dir where hie is looking for the file in the first place
2020-01-07 16:46:42	jneira_	to force it search in the data subdirectory inside the hioe executable path
2020-01-07 16:47:59	fendor	must the cabal/store not exist or the exact path to the data-files?
2020-01-07 16:52:51	jneira_	the directory inside, f.e. i renamed my `D:\csd\ghc-8.6.5\hlint-2.2.5-92f7ca9cdeeef4f61326e0e6caa9726612d1ec03` to `D:\csd\ghc-8.6.5\hlint-2.2.5-92f7ca9cdeeef4f61326e0e6caa9726612d1ec03.old`
2020-01-07 16:53:41	jneira_	the hlint dir hie is kinked with inside the cabal store
2020-01-07 16:54:26	jneira_	but renaming the store root dir could be a good test too, maybe it would expose other errors
2020-01-07 16:55:00	fendor	I will ask power_fungus for their vm set-up. They have some vagrant magic to have completely empty system.
2020-01-07 16:56:34	jneira_	arrgh in posix is $TMPDIR and no $TMP :-(
2020-01-07 16:57:39	fendor	hehe, right :)
2020-01-07 16:58:49	jneira_	but $tmp is used in some posix envs no?
2020-01-07 16:59:48	jneira_	bah i will use `Agent.TempDirectory` azure predefined variable
2020-01-07 16:59:57	fendor	i dunno, on my system, neither $TMPDIR or $TMP is defined
2020-01-07 17:00:59	jneira_	$TMPDIR is not defined in msys
2020-01-07 17:01:19	jneira_	at least in mine
2020-01-07 17:01:45	fendor	the predefined variable is definitely better 
2020-01-07 17:09:23	jneira_	i hope i was too fussy with th pr about separate cabal and stack in install.hs
2020-01-07 17:09:42	jneira_	*i was not fussy
2020-01-07 17:10:34	fendor	no, I dont think so. at least for me, your feedback was very important
2020-01-07 17:15:27	jneira_	i cant create projects in https://dev.azure.com/haskell-ide-engine
2020-01-07 17:15:49	jneira_	i was trying to create my hakell-ide-engine-jneira inside
2020-01-07 17:16:53	jneira_	ah afaiu you are administrator, fendor
2020-01-07 17:19:22	fendor	jneira_, of haskell-ide-engine?
2020-01-07 17:19:25	fendor	yeah, I think so
2020-01-07 17:21:59	jneira_	yep
2020-01-07 17:22:56	jneira_	anyway when you link the github repo you have to create a new project inside an existing account (or at least i didint find the way to use an existing one)
2020-01-07 17:25:34	jneira_	the publiseh artifacts for linux and macos already have the `hlint.yaml`inside the tar: https://dev.azure.com/jneira/haskell-ide-engine/_build/results?buildId=387&view=artifacts&type=publishedArtifacts
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2020-01-07 20:10:10	fendor	jneira, power-fungus added you, I think
2020-01-07 20:12:03	fendor	or at least we tried
2020-01-07 20:37:55	fendor	jneira, regarding packaging, I think we have a problem with brittany, since it uses `ghc-paths`
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2020-01-07 21:42:43	lukelau	infinisil: hi, a friend of mine is trying out all-hies but is getting some error about the ghc libraries
2020-01-07 21:43:09	lukelau	16:12:17 INFO writer-None src/rpcclient.rs:215 => None {"jsonrpc":"2.0","method":"s:Echomsg","params”:[“[Error] \"can't load .so/.DLL for: /nix/store/3ybbc3vag4mpwaqglpdac4v413na3vhl-ghc-8.6.5/lib/ghc-8.6.5/binary-0.8.6.0/libHSbinary-0.8.6.0-ghc8.6.5.so (/nix/store/3ybbc3vag4mpwaqglpdac4v413na3vhl-ghc-8.6.5/lib/ghc-8.6.5/binary-0.8.6.0/libHSbinary-0.8.6.0-ghc8.6.5.so: undefined symbol: 
2020-01-07 21:43:09	lukelau	base_DataziTypeableziInternal_typeRepKind1_closure)\""]}
2020-01-07 21:43:33	lukelau	do you know what might be causing this?
2020-01-07 21:43:37	lukelau	they’re using your 1.0.0.0 branch btw
2020-01-07 21:44:04	lukelau	I myself no nothing about nix so sorry in advance if I’m missing something obvious
2020-01-07 21:46:54	infinisil	lukelau: Hm I haven't tried out 1.0.0.0, so I might hit this too, no idea what the problem could be as of now
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2020-01-07 21:59:07	mpickering	This error seems to happen with stack as well 
2020-01-07 21:59:28	mpickering	Could it be something to do with getting the libdir wrong?
2020-01-07 22:00:06	mpickering	lukelau: Can you provide instructions to reproduce I can try on nixos
2020-01-07 22:00:09	lukelau	mpickering: i belive so. it only happens if you try to build a project that uses binary or one of the other ghc core libraries
2020-01-07 22:00:18	lukelau	mkdir test-proj; cabal init; 
2020-01-07 22:00:30	lukelau	and then add binary as a dependency
2020-01-07 22:00:39	lukelau	try then editing Main.hs
2020-01-07 22:02:05	fendor	could be the libdir. We obtain it with `ghc --print-libdir` and `stack ghc -- --print-libdir` respectively
2020-01-07 22:02:41	mpickering	How is hie/ghc on path?
2020-01-07 22:03:35	lukelau	via all-hies
2020-01-07 22:03:55	mpickering	I can imagine a situation where you 1. build the project using one version of ghc-8.6.5 but then a slightly different version is on path when you try to use it
2020-01-07 22:03:59	lukelau	yeah
2020-01-07 22:04:03	mpickering	yeah but... how is it on the path?
2020-01-07 22:04:06	mpickering	globally installed?
2020-01-07 22:04:12	lukelau	oh yeah
2020-01-07 22:04:16	lukelau	via configuration.nix ?
2020-01-07 22:04:19	mpickering	ok
2020-01-07 22:04:24	mpickering	and how is ghc on the path?
2020-01-07 22:04:31	mpickering	is there a shell.nix for this project?
2020-01-07 22:04:40	mpickering	does the error still happen if you delete dist-newstyle
2020-01-07 22:04:46	lukelau	i noticed that the ghc on the path, is not the same ghc in /nix/store that it’s trying to load the libraries from
2020-01-07 22:05:34	lukelau	mpickering: one sec, askin
2020-01-07 22:06:07	fendor	lukelau, in the logs, we print the libdir, that could help too, to find out what is happening
2020-01-07 22:06:34	lukelau	mpickering: it’s with a shell for https://github.com/obsidiansystems/obelisk
2020-01-07 22:06:36	lukelau	if that helps?
2020-01-07 22:06:44	lukelau	it has a default.nix
2020-01-07 22:06:57	mpickering	Ah this makes even more sense
2020-01-07 22:07:05	lukelau	fendor: i’ll try to get them to do that later, i’m doing this all from a shared ssh session so trying to read the logs from languageclient-neovim is a nightmare
2020-01-07 22:07:07	mpickering	I know for a fact the ghc provided by that shell is not standard
2020-01-07 22:07:17	mpickering	the ghc is built with some patches
2020-01-07 22:07:23	lukelau	i see
2020-01-07 22:07:39	lukelau	the versions matched up but the symbols were different
2020-01-07 22:07:51	mpickering	So if `hie` is not run in that shell then it surely won't work
2020-01-07 22:08:01	lukelau	so the solution then is to probably build hie via the version of ghc with that shell?
2020-01-07 22:08:15	mpickering	It will work if you run hie in the shell
2020-01-07 22:08:31	lukelau	we were running hie from the shell we think
2020-01-07 22:08:33	mpickering	I imagine your friend has `ghc-8.6.5` on the path
2020-01-07 22:08:38	lukelau	but do we need to install hie via that shell?
2020-01-07 22:08:45	lukelau	yeah ghc-8.6.5 was there
2020-01-07 22:08:55	mpickering	no it should get the libdir from calling `ghc --print-libdir`
2020-01-07 22:08:58	lukelau	oh ok
2020-01-07 22:09:13	mpickering	at least.. it used to when I last paid attention but there were some patches about this
2020-01-07 22:09:13	lukelau	i think we already were… at least we were running vim via that shell?
2020-01-07 22:10:12	mpickering	nix-shell /home/matt/haskell-ide-engine/shell.nix --run "/home/matt/haskell-ide-engine/dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.6.5/haskell-ide-engine-1.0.0.0/x/hie/build/hie/hie --lsp --debug"
2020-01-07 22:10:17	mpickering	I have a script which runs hie like that
2020-01-07 22:10:21	fendor	mpickering, it still does, unless it is a stack cradle, then it uses `stack ghc -- --print-libdir`
2020-01-07 22:10:27	lukelau	i gotta run now, thanks for pointing us in the right direction though
2020-01-07 22:10:37	lukelau	its owenowen here in the channel by the way who is using the shell
2020-01-07 22:11:04	owenowen	nix-shell -A obeliskEnvs.obelisk-selftest
2020-01-07 22:11:19	owenowen	was the environment we were in
2020-01-07 22:11:40	owenowen	but we had to remove some references to haskell-ide-engine from reflex-platform to get it to use the right version
2020-01-07 22:12:15	owenowen	https://github.com/reflex-frp/reflex-platform/blob/7265d887cf71635eee95cdbeabd69bd9706128b8/default.nix#L386
2020-01-07 22:12:23	mpickering	when you start your editor though it's not going to be in the right shell
2020-01-07 22:12:44	mpickering	because nix-shell literally starts a shell
2020-01-07 22:13:58	mpickering	So make a script like the one I pasted above and get your editor to run hie in the right shell
2020-01-07 22:14:00	owenowen	Hmm, not sure I follow, I was running vim from the shell started by that nix-shell command
2020-01-07 22:14:08	owenowen	ah okay
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2020-01-07 22:14:32	mpickering	I am not certain this will fix it but it's worth a shot
2020-01-07 22:14:38	mpickering	<leaves>
2020-01-07 22:14:48	fendor	maybe they had to go, too.
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2020-01-07 22:15:06	fendor	unrelatedly, since yesterday cabal install fails for me
2020-01-07 22:15:11	mpickering	Not really sure how to provide better diagnostics for this case though
2020-01-07 22:16:55	mpickering	owenowen: I can see your point, just trying to remove any possible failure point
2020-01-07 22:17:45	owenowen	sorry I lost the logs can you paste that script again please?
2020-01-07 22:18:45	mpickering	`nix-shell .... -run "hie --lsp"`
2020-01-07 22:20:18	owenowen	Yeah that works fine: Version 1.0.0.0 x86_64 ghc-8.6.5
2020-01-07 22:20:56	mpickering	So put that in a script
2020-01-07 22:21:04	mpickering	and make vim invoke that script to start hie
2020-01-07 22:28:11	owenowen	Okay, getting a lot of `sending on a disconnected channel` now
2020-01-07 22:28:47	owenowen	LanguageClientStart says nothing
2020-01-07 22:38:48	fendor	owenowen, how are you starting hie? 
2020-01-07 22:38:55	fendor	Did you add the `--lsp` flag?
2020-01-07 22:39:20	fendor	you can try to only execute `hie` in the project root, maybe there is some debug information
2020-01-07 22:46:07	owenowen	yeah, so to test it with vim I was running 
2020-01-07 22:46:07	owenowen	let g:LanguageClient_serverCommands = { 'haskell': ['nix-shell', '-A', 'obeliskEnvs.obelisk-selftest', '--run', 'hie --lsp'] }
2020-01-07 22:46:43	fendor	is there anything in the logs? 
2020-01-07 22:46:56	fendor	also, try to run with `hie --debug --lsp` for more debug information
2020-01-07 22:47:40	fendor	can you explain a bit how this project is built? Does it use cabal, stack, do you have an explicit `hie.yaml`?
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2020-01-07 22:51:43	owenowen	yeah the log says 
2020-01-07 22:51:43	owenowen	[LC] [Error] "panic! (the 'impossible' happened)\n  (GHC version 8.6.5 for x86_64-unknown-linux):\n\tDynamic linker not initialised\n\nPlease report this as a GHC bug:  http://www.haskell.org/ghc/reportabug\n"
2020-01-07 22:53:15	owenowen	I'm going to have to defer further investigation, unfortunately, these project are all open source though https://github.com/obsidiansystems/obelisk/
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2020-01-08 01:56:07	jneira	> jneira, regarding packaging, I think we have a problem with brittany, since it uses `ghc-paths`
2020-01-08 01:56:09	jneira	ouch
2020-01-08 01:56:43	jneira	we didnt detect that one (or i was not aware of)
2020-01-08 01:57:23	fendor	jneira, I detected it a few days ago when deleting my ~/.cabal/store 
2020-01-08 01:57:32	fendor	yeah, that is unfortunate
2020-01-08 01:57:49	alanz	brittany should be structured to use something like the hie-plugin-api, so that it uses the file as loaded in hie. That is the point of it
2020-01-08 01:58:07	alanz	let the ghc config for everything be in one place, and used everywhere
2020-01-08 01:58:24	alanz	ditto the new ghc-lib based hlint
2020-01-08 01:59:09	fendor	so, we can run brittany simply in our ghc session?
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2020-01-08 02:19:19	alanz	fendor, it should be possible. I know it uses ghc-exactprint under the hood.
2020-01-08 02:20:21	alanz	For whole-file usage anyway. But for partial-formatting, we know what file it comes from, so can provide the relevant AST fragment, or just the module dynflags
2020-01-08 02:20:48	alanz	it may require changes to brittany, in terms of its structure though, but not its fundamental operation
2020-01-08 02:24:36	fendor	that is good to hear!
2020-01-08 02:31:29	alanz	ditto ormolu, I think
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2020-01-08 03:55:12	hexagoxel	should I expose a function in the brittany API that takes a parsed AST as input?
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2020-01-08 03:56:44	hexagoxel	but I guess you need a bit more; probably you need a version/configuration/flag set up of the brittany library that does not depend on ghc-exactprint any longer.
2020-01-08 03:57:30	alanz	hexagoxel, taking parsed AST as input should be fine, we can then call it from our side, with the already cached module
2020-01-08 03:57:38	alanz	with the bonus that it will be quicker too
2020-01-08 03:57:47	hexagoxel	that is a bit annoying. Either some ugly amounts of flag-dependent stuff, including more CPP, or splitting things into a new component.
2020-01-08 03:58:03	alanz	why do you mean a flag to not use ghc-exactprint?
2020-01-08 03:58:26	hexagoxel	I thought the dependency on ghc-paths was the problem? Or did I read that wrong
2020-01-08 03:58:48	hexagoxel	ah, this is a runtime problem?
2020-01-08 03:58:53	alanz	I don't think the dependency is the problem, I think the reliance on it
2020-01-08 03:58:56	alanz	yes, exactly
2020-01-08 03:59:03	hexagoxel	ah, right.
2020-01-08 03:59:19	alanz	to do with making a thing that can be copied from a build machine to a target machine, easily
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2020-01-08 03:59:25	hexagoxel	glad to get that detail :)
2020-01-08 03:59:32	alanz	And I suspect it will be pretty simple for you to do
2020-01-08 03:59:39	hexagoxel	sure
2020-01-08 04:00:48	alanz	And all part of making things simpler for tooling.
2020-01-08 04:01:16	infinisil	lukelau: Hm I don't have that failure on my machine, can you or your friend report the error along with the ghc version and such used in https://github.com/Infinisil/all-hies/pull/39?
2020-01-08 04:01:19	alanz	We will be able to put the hie-plugin-api on hackage quite soon, if that will help
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2020-01-08 06:29:24	lukelau	infinisil: I think this is specific to a particular nix-shell with a patched ghc, I don’t think its anything wrong to do with all-hies don’t worry
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2020-01-08 06:34:24	infinisil	Hm I see
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2020-01-08 07:46:12	lukelau	mpickering infinisil: using a locally built version with the ghc on the path worked *inside* the obelisk nix-shell. printed out some debug statements and it was passing the right libdir
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2020-01-08 14:47:07	mpickering	lukelau: We should still try to get to the bottom of why all-hies is packaged incorrectly though
2020-01-08 14:47:12	mpickering	or what other difference there is
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2020-01-08 15:11:05	reactormonk	I've got a stack cradle (no multi-cradle this time) for the tests. However, it complains about not finding the package the test is from (via cannot satisfy package). I haven't found anything on the issue tracker - anyone happen to have a workaround?
2020-01-08 15:25:11	mpickering	which version of hie?
2020-01-08 15:30:35	reactormonk	Oh, it's a bit old... lemme update and see if it happens again
2020-01-08 15:42:23	reactormonk	mpickering, newest master now, happens again :-(
2020-01-08 15:46:42	mpickering	So you have a hie.yaml with what in?
2020-01-08 15:46:56	mpickering	Basially the stack repl was changed to just invoke `stack repl` now
2020-01-08 15:47:02	mpickering	so what does `stack repl` do?
2020-01-08 15:50:40	reactormonk	errors out with the same error
2020-01-08 15:51:26	mpickering	So it's a bug in stack
2020-01-08 15:51:34	mpickering	?
2020-01-08 15:52:14	reactormonk	Probably
2020-01-08 15:53:01	mpickering	If `stack repl` fails then nothing we can really do. The principle of hie-bios is that the build tool has to be responsible for informing us of the environment
2020-01-08 15:53:21	mpickering	However disatisfying that is for a user
2020-01-08 15:53:34	reactormonk	All fine, I'll kick it upstream.
2020-01-08 16:18:00	reactormonk	Yeap, it's https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/issues/4616
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2020-01-08 17:19:07	jneira_	Are you fine if i do squash&merge instead the default one?
2020-01-08 17:19:53	mpickering	you =? 
2020-01-08 17:19:59	jneira_	If changes are nore or less isolated like the last pr's (install script/azure configs)
2020-01-08 17:20:25	mpickering	I'm used to always squashing because that's what we do with ghc but it seems alan is more in favour of keeping history even if it's a giant mess
2020-01-08 17:20:32	jneira_	yeah i am afraid that my commit histories are a little bit dirty
2020-01-08 17:20:38	fendor	jneira_, you can squash and merge, I think it makes sense for azure
2020-01-08 17:21:04	jneira_	i did it for the dont-mix-cabal-and-stack too
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2020-01-08 17:21:53	jneira_	oh i didnt know abut the alanz preference :-/
2020-01-08 17:22:38	jneira_	i had to ask before, i suppose 
2020-01-08 17:22:55	fendor	In my opinion, you can squash the azure pr
2020-01-08 17:23:19	jneira_	ok
2020-01-08 17:23:28	mpickering	yeah but we didn't squash the hie-bios pr which was the biggest mess, still scarred from that haha
2020-01-08 17:23:37	jneira_	juass
2020-01-08 17:23:57	fendor	because we wanted to keep the history since a lot of stuff happened in there
2020-01-08 17:24:09	fendor	i dont see a reason to keep the history of the azure files.
2020-01-08 17:24:18	fendor	Especially, since there was a lot of experimentation
2020-01-08 17:24:23	jneira_	agree
2020-01-08 17:24:47	jneira_	and lack of bash foo :-P
2020-01-08 17:25:06	fendor	yeah, there is no other way to debug that stuff than to commit and push
2020-01-08 17:25:52	jneira_	especially for other os's than you are doing that
2020-01-08 17:26:07	fendor	yeah, exactly.
2020-01-08 17:26:09	jneira_	i try in msys bash first but not always is the same
2020-01-08 17:26:59	jneira_	i *have* to reinstall wsl and setup haskell for sure
2020-01-08 17:27:49	jneira_	btw azure ubuntu has all the haskell toolchain installed :-D
2020-01-08 17:28:17	jneira_	ot at least the docs state it: https://github.com/actions/virtual-environments/blob/master/images/linux/scripts/installers/haskell.sh
2020-01-08 17:28:39	jneira_	i am adding a job for pure cabal
2020-01-08 17:28:55	jneira_	and i'll add the test suite just after merging the releases
2020-01-08 17:30:06	fendor	:+1:
2020-01-08 17:30:33	jneira_	all tests enabled except funcional and wrapper for windows
2020-01-08 17:31:43	fendor	nice!
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2020-01-08 18:52:08	maerwald	fendor: I updated https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1561 to use index state only and tested it with 8.4.2-8.4.4 and 8.6.1-8.6.5
2020-01-08 18:52:43	maerwald	the update script is kinda a huge hack, but it is optional
2020-01-08 18:53:48	fendor	maerwald, cool, thank you!
2020-01-08 18:53:58	fendor	I see awk and I dont want to look at it anymore :D 
2020-01-08 18:54:15	maerwald	cabal-install source code unfortunately doesn't expose the binary parsing of 01-index.cache, so I did it in bash :P
2020-01-08 18:55:44	fendor	apparently, I have no bc on my system
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2020-01-08 18:56:38	maerwald	bc should be provided by the package 'bc'
2020-01-08 19:00:02	fendor	out of interest, why do you have to parse the binary cache and can not parse the output of `cabal v2-update`? Or does it not include all the information?
2020-01-08 19:00:21	maerwald	v2-update doesn't have a parsable format
2020-01-08 19:00:37	maerwald	and it shows only the timestamp of the previous index cache, so you would have to run it twice, which is all ugly
2020-01-08 19:02:20	fendor	looking good. However, I admit that I dont try to read the binary parsing
2020-01-08 19:02:50	fendor	I assume 01-index.cache format is stable?
2020-01-08 19:03:00	maerwald	I hope so, that's why it's versioned right?
2020-01-08 19:03:47	fendor	no clue. But I assume so
2020-01-08 19:03:53	maerwald	the code comment says they might want to switch to cbor encoding some time
2020-01-08 19:04:05	maerwald	if they do that without bumping the version, then oops
2020-01-08 19:04:06	fendor	and it is not a critical piece of code, just doing it manually is absolutely possible
2020-01-08 19:04:13	maerwald	yeah
2020-01-08 19:04:46	fendor	thanks for pushing these changes to the installation process! 
2020-01-08 19:06:01	fendor	now we should start thinking about dropping shake dependency and making it an even simpler haskell script
2020-01-08 19:06:30	maerwald	https://github.com/haskell/cabal/commit/a07ef25229217a289433087c241d89e1c08e65e0
2020-01-08 19:06:31	maerwald	ouch
2020-01-08 19:08:43	fendor	`Almost as a feature`?
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2020-01-08 19:44:44	maerwald	anyone tried coc.nvim with hie?
2020-01-08 19:44:55	maerwald	it can't find any type definitions
2020-01-08 19:49:06	maerwald	https://github.com/neoclide/coc.nvim seems more mature than LanguageClient-neovim
2020-01-08 19:57:15	fendor	maerwald, you mean the goto type-definitions?
2020-01-08 19:57:56	maerwald	anything
2020-01-08 19:58:25	fendor	goto is a bit broken. It normally mainly works within the same module
2020-01-08 19:58:30	fendor	sometimes within the same component
2020-01-08 19:58:54	maerwald	this must be a client issue though
2020-01-08 19:59:06	maerwald	LanguageClient-neovim was able to show type info, coc.nvim not
2020-01-08 19:59:12	fendor	no, we are re-using interface files
2020-01-08 19:59:29	fendor	and when we do that, we are losing certain location information
2020-01-08 19:59:47	fendor	does coc.nvim show any message?
2020-01-08 19:59:56	maerwald	https://gist.github.com/hasufell/d5f45c529b9ca77e4e2add912bda3479
2020-01-08 20:00:03	fendor	if it does, you are definitely running into this issue with interface files
2020-01-08 20:00:37	maerwald	[Error  - 3:28:31 PM] haskell-lsp:no handler for. Object (fromList [("jsonrpc",String "2.0"),("params",Object (fromList [("textDocument",Object (fromList [("uri",String "file:///home/jule/git/hpath/hpath-io/src/HPath/IO.hs")])),("position",Object (fromList [("line",Number 349.0),("character",Number 14.0)]))])),("method",String "textDocument/implementation"),("id",Number 24.0)])
2020-01-08 20:01:24	fendor	ok that is some config issue, iirc
2020-01-08 20:02:04	maerwald	how so
2020-01-08 20:06:04	fendor	I dont know. I cant remember in which issue I saw that
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2020-01-08 20:17:16	maerwald	I guess I'll trie hie in half a year again
2020-01-08 20:17:51	maerwald	4th time I try it, it never worked
2020-01-08 20:18:15	fendor	Setup in vscode is pretty simple now. 
2020-01-08 20:18:21	fendor	But yeah, it is pretty rough
2020-01-08 20:18:49	fendor	thank you for your contributions, looking forward to the next in half a year ;D 
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2020-01-08 21:07:14	fendor	I am going crazy, I cant install hie anymore
2020-01-08 21:07:30	fendor	https://hastebin.com/iwugajarun.sql
2020-01-08 21:08:14	maerwald	https://gist.github.com/hasufell/d5f45c529b9ca77e4e2add912bda3479#file-lsp-log-L178-L182 yeah, getting type information seems broken
2020-01-08 21:09:15	maerwald	fendor: (constraint from project config TODO requires ==8.6.4) this means something is pinning ghc to 8.6.4, e.g. a freeze file
2020-01-08 21:09:29	maerwald	"config TODO" usually means freeze file
2020-01-08 21:09:57	fendor	ah, ok, thanks
2020-01-08 21:10:00	fendor	now it works
2020-01-08 21:11:08	fendor	but "config TODO" is not helpful 
2020-01-08 21:13:59	fendor	maerwald, it should not be broken the first time you open a project. But yeah, we broke that recently when merging hie-bios
2020-01-08 21:19:13	maerwald	go to definition is also broken
2020-01-08 21:19:54	fendor	same reason
2020-01-08 21:19:55	maerwald	those are basically the two things that are most relevant for an IDE
2020-01-08 21:19:56	fendor	yeah
2020-01-08 21:20:07	maerwald	so much code and the most basic features don't work...
2020-01-08 21:20:36	fendor	well they do
2020-01-08 21:20:53	fendor	we can disable reuse of interface files on startup and then it will work
2020-01-08 21:21:00	fendor	but make the project slower
2020-01-08 21:21:25	maerwald	how can I disable it
2020-01-08 21:22:07	fendor	That is done in hie-bios, so currently, there is no real way.
2020-01-08 21:22:49	fendor	iirc, here https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/blob/master/src/HIE/Bios/Environment.hs#L37, delete that directory
2020-01-08 21:23:16	maerwald	where is that
2020-01-08 21:23:56	fendor	in hie-bios, the library that is responsible for compiling and loading modules
2020-01-08 21:24:28	maerwald	I cannot follow
2020-01-08 21:24:39	maerwald	delete what directory, is it runtime? recompile? what?
2020-01-08 21:27:12	fendor	The compilation of modules is cached. That happens at run-time.
2020-01-08 21:27:50	maerwald	doesn't help, still broken
2020-01-08 21:28:18	fendor	cross component, or what? Within the same module, for example, it ought to work
2020-01-08 21:28:49	maerwald	within the same component I can use text search and don't need an IDE
2020-01-08 21:29:02	fendor	ah, you mean to libraries
2020-01-08 21:29:03	fendor	?
2020-01-08 21:29:11	maerwald	anything outside of the current module
2020-01-08 21:33:25	fendor	that actually works for me.
2020-01-08 21:33:30	mpickering	maerwald: There is no need to be so rude
2020-01-08 21:37:19	fendor	actually it seems goto works within the same component.
2020-01-08 21:37:29	fendor	and cross-component
2020-01-08 21:37:40	fendor	I am confused, maybe I remembered incorrectly
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2020-01-09 02:13:41	maerwald	fendor: https://files.gitter.im/neoclide/coc.nvim/2z1j/Screenshot_2020-01-08_19-09-29.png
2020-01-09 02:13:55	maerwald	this is the max I got working, type definition jumping still broken
2020-01-09 02:31:30	fendor	maerwald, locally, goto definition and goto type-definition seems to work. 
2020-01-09 02:31:54	maerwald	cross-module?
2020-01-09 02:31:57	fendor	yeah
2020-01-09 02:32:01	fendor	even cross component
2020-01-09 02:32:14	maerwald	what
2020-01-09 02:32:26	fendor	I am using `hie.yaml`'s though. 
2020-01-09 02:32:39	maerwald	what is that
2020-01-09 02:32:56	fendor	or maybe there is something else up. Nuked by ~/.cabal/store yesterday and upgraded to ghc 8.6.5
2020-01-09 02:33:10	fendor	the caches arent all warm
2020-01-09 02:33:21	maerwald	lol, how to warm them up xD
2020-01-09 02:33:24	fendor	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#project-configuration
2020-01-09 02:33:39	fendor	well, warm up by using them. I am still building tons of pacakges
2020-01-09 02:33:40	maerwald	I have a cabal.project
2020-01-09 02:34:06	fendor	then you are using cabal-helper, yeah. Should not make a difference, but maybe it does
2020-01-09 02:34:22	maerwald	this pesky tool that compiles during runtime?
2020-01-09 02:34:30	fendor	yeah
2020-01-09 02:34:40	maerwald	I remember at least ~3 different build failures with that
2020-01-09 02:34:53	fendor	it changed and got major upgrades
2020-01-09 02:35:23	fendor	currently it works pretty well in my experience so far
2020-01-09 02:36:00	maerwald	are only exposed modules searched?
2020-01-09 02:36:14	fendor	yes
2020-01-09 02:36:19	mpickering	No..?
2020-01-09 02:36:28	fendor	in cabal-helper?
2020-01-09 02:36:33	fendor	i think so
2020-01-09 02:36:34	mpickering	For type definition jumping
2020-01-09 02:36:49	mpickering	I strongly suspect this is an issue with interface file caching
2020-01-09 02:37:12	fendor	currently, it is working for me.
2020-01-09 02:37:25	fendor	even after opening a project multiple times
2020-01-09 02:38:02	fendor	ill clear my cache and try again
2020-01-09 02:38:06	maerwald	well, how about just exposing everything 
2020-01-09 02:38:38	mpickering	Not sure what that means
2020-01-09 02:38:59	maerwald	fendor: jump to definition doesn't work reliably here, I can't even see a pattern. Some things work, some don't
2020-01-09 02:39:16	maerwald	it feels arbitrary, but I am sure there's something going on
2020-01-09 02:41:02	mpickering	maerwald: If you want to try something then comment out this line - https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/blob/master/src/HIE/Bios/Environment.hs#L43
2020-01-09 02:41:18	maerwald	another thing: the hover info doesn't contain documentation?
2020-01-09 02:41:27	fendor	it should
2020-01-09 02:41:42	fendor	did you build the hoogle db?
2020-01-09 02:41:50	fendor	or build with haddock enabled
2020-01-09 02:42:30	maerwald	yes I did both
2020-01-09 02:44:34	maerwald	this is odd... I get documentation in the autocomplete, but not when I do the hover
2020-01-09 02:45:11	maerwald	but I get documentation for *types* on hover, not for functions
2020-01-09 02:45:12	maerwald	ok
2020-01-09 02:45:40	fendor	that is creative
2020-01-09 02:50:31	maerwald	https://files.gitter.im/neoclide/coc.nvim/dyC6/Screenshot_2020-01-08_22-19-03.png
2020-01-09 02:50:40	maerwald	https://files.gitter.im/neoclide/coc.nvim/dyC6/Screenshot_2020-01-08_22-19-18.png
2020-01-09 02:50:55	maerwald	looks like a problem with re-exports maybe
2020-01-09 02:52:55	maerwald	seems those are different requests
2020-01-09 02:53:54	fendor	maerwald, logs with debug info could be helpful
2020-01-09 02:58:13	maerwald	fendor: https://gist.github.com/hasufell/2990f69768ba61f48f2c0ca6f811fc0b
2020-01-09 02:58:18	maerwald	hover doesn't show documentation
2020-01-09 02:58:21	jneira	good night!
2020-01-09 02:58:31	fendor	jneira, good night!
2020-01-09 02:59:23	jneira	fendor: the brittany issue will block the releases or is there any workaround?
2020-01-09 03:00:13	fendor	jneira, I think it will block them. Havent tried with floskell, though, maybe floskell works
2020-01-09 03:00:55	maerwald	how do you show documentation of an identifier...
2020-01-09 03:01:06	maerwald	shouldn't that be in hover?
2020-01-09 03:01:30	jneira	mmm alanz commented it is needed some change upstream, we'll have to wait then :-|
2020-01-09 03:01:49	fendor	What is an identifier for you?
2020-01-09 03:02:19	fendor	jneira, yeah, the maintainer of brittany said, it should be rather trivial to do, iirc
2020-01-09 03:03:05	alanz	hexagoxel, comment?
2020-01-09 03:04:48	fendor	btw, home-made pizza with nutella, nuts, bananas and mascarpone is delicious. Although I can feel getting fat
2020-01-09 03:05:55	maerwald	please remove the nutella
2020-01-09 03:06:46	fendor	maybe next time
2020-01-09 03:07:31	maerwald	sugar causes cardiac diseases, breaks your gut barrier, makes you fet, causes artery plague and increases cancer risk
2020-01-09 03:07:43	fendor	i know
2020-01-09 03:07:44	maerwald	fat is fine
2020-01-09 03:08:23	maerwald	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1567
2020-01-09 03:08:28	jneira	8-|
2020-01-09 03:08:51	maerwald	I hate programming
2020-01-09 03:10:17	maerwald	it says "base GHC.IO"
2020-01-09 03:10:32	maerwald	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/rerebase-1.4.1/docs/GHC-IO.html
2020-01-09 03:10:35	maerwald	this is GHC.IO
2020-01-09 03:10:39	maerwald	it must be the re-exports
2020-01-09 03:11:36	maerwald	ah wait
2020-01-09 03:11:49	maerwald	GHC.IO is not exposed.
2020-01-09 03:12:06	jneira	hvr installed azure in the repo today
2020-01-09 03:12:07	fendor	yeah, it looks like that package haddock is broken?
2020-01-09 03:12:24	maerwald	but why does autocompletion show docs?
2020-01-09 03:12:31	jneira	i guess it is in https://dev.azure.com/haskell
2020-01-09 03:12:38	jneira	but i cant access
2020-01-09 03:12:45	fendor	maybe it is obtaining them from hoogle
2020-01-09 03:14:00	fendor	jneira, is it still enough for us to work with? 
2020-01-09 03:14:29	fendor	20 checks :D 
2020-01-09 03:16:47	jneira	nice!
2020-01-09 03:17:59	jneira	in my pr just i see
2020-01-09 03:18:05	fendor	i can not even read, 29 checks!
2020-01-09 03:18:43	jneira	juass
2020-01-09 03:19:00	jneira	and i am gonna add at least two with cabal
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2020-01-09 03:19:29	fendor	we probably should like 20 more.
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2020-01-09 03:19:37	fendor	 add like
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2020-01-09 03:19:49	jneira	for ghc-8.6.5 and ghc-8.4.4, do you think i should add all ghc versions?
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2020-01-09 03:19:59	fendor	for all major one version would be good, imo
2020-01-09 03:20:25	fendor	so, 8.8.1 once it is merged, and 8.6.5 and 8.4.4
2020-01-09 03:20:45	jneira	to have all ghc and cabal versions preinstalled is veeery nice
2020-01-09 03:20:49	jneira	ok
2020-01-09 03:20:56	fendor	that are still like 9 CI jobs. 
2020-01-09 03:21:28	fendor	and maybe nightly? Would boost it to 12 CI jobs.
2020-01-09 03:22:37	jneira	i am gonna add them for linux first (it is the unique os with the haskell toolchain installed and it is easy)
2020-01-09 03:23:05	fendor	awesome!
2020-01-09 03:24:09	jneira	we sold our soul to microsoft for unlimited space and 10 concurrent jobs :-P
2020-01-09 03:24:17	jneira	(for now)
2020-01-09 03:26:05	fendor	yeah, now we can unlink our accounts from it again and only the haskell organization has then sold their soul :D
2020-01-09 03:27:32	jneira	ha in fact hvr: https://dev.azure.com/hvriedel/hvriedel/_build/results?buildId=3&view=results
2020-01-09 03:28:01	alanz	jneira, we sold our soul to MicroSoft for having SPJ on GHC full time, a long time ago.  And its a good thing
2020-01-09 03:28:51	fendor	hehe.
2020-01-09 03:30:46	jneira	:grin:
2020-01-09 03:32:33	jneira	with cache the jobs takes between 14 and 17 minutes, not bad
2020-01-09 03:33:11	fendor	that is pretty good.
2020-01-09 03:33:18	fendor	but without tests, right?
2020-01-09 03:34:40	jneira	yeah
2020-01-09 03:34:53	fendor	then it isnt that impressive. But 10 parallel jobs is great
2020-01-09 03:35:04	fendor	appveyor is faster.
2020-01-09 03:35:09	jneira	with tests 17-23
2020-01-09 03:35:23	fendor	ok, that is acceptable.
2020-01-09 03:35:34	fendor	thanks for pushing this, it is really awesome! 
2020-01-09 03:36:10	jneira	:-D
2020-01-09 03:36:15	fendor	with pre-built binaries for everything, just marvelous!
2020-01-09 03:54:22	maerwald	"jump to documentation" is a vscode feature?
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2020-01-09 04:10:40	alanz	jneira, I invited you to collaborate on vscode-hie-server
2020-01-09 04:11:51	alanz	in the spirit of not getting in the way of people who are doing things :)
2020-01-09 04:47:20	jneira	thanks!
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2020-01-09 12:49:01	jneira_	alanz: please let me know if i am being a little bit too agressive closin issues in https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server
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2020-01-09 13:59:24	alanz	jneira_: its great to see, I have been avoiding it, not really being a vscode dev
2020-01-09 14:06:32	jneira_	almost all are hie issues in fact
2020-01-09 14:06:42	jneira_	except hie-wrapper ones in mid 2018 ;-)
2020-01-09 14:07:35	jneira_	i somewhat like review older issues to know the project history :-)
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2020-01-09 16:53:16	hexagoxel	alanz: yeah I looked into it last night. There already is this function https://github.com/lspitzner/brittany/blob/af227a797d588eda936280dc1c3b0b376735335e/src/Language/Haskell/Brittany/Internal.hs#L308-L314
2020-01-09 16:53:42	hexagoxel	but I need to refactor it to remove the PerItemConfig argument.
2020-01-09 16:54:53	hexagoxel	I'll get this done in the next days.
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2020-01-09 17:01:00	alanz	hexagoxel: thanks, I will look later today when I have time
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2020-01-09 22:52:42	infinisil	Hm I think I'll have trouble deciding what issues are caused by nix and which ones by HIE, e.g. I don't have much of a clue for https://github.com/Infinisil/all-hies/issues/40
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2020-01-09 23:35:25	maerwald	fendor: is the index-state freeze PR good to merge?
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2020-01-09 23:45:08	mpickering	infinisil: That looks like they usually use stack to build their project
2020-01-09 23:45:12	mpickering	but HIE decided to try to use cabal
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2020-01-10 00:09:09	hexagoxel	alanz: I have refactored it slightly, it now has this signature: https://github.com/lspitzner/brittany/blob/api/src/Language/Haskell/Brittany/Internal.hs#L300-L309
2020-01-10 00:13:05	hexagoxel	Only contains types that the existing api already uses (Config and BrittanyError) plus the relevant GHC and exactprint types. On that branch, I have already exposed that function if you want to test this.
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2020-01-10 00:37:54	hexagoxel	oh whoops, only the lib compiles, the other components are broken :D
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2020-01-10 01:41:24	fendor	maerwald, in my opinion, yes, but I'll leave it to jneira_[m] to merge it
2020-01-10 01:42:58	fendor	infinisil, ill take a look at it, too
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2020-01-10 02:58:18	alanz	does anyone want to take a look at brittany integration using pPrintModule from https://github.com/lspitzner/brittany/tree/api?
2020-01-10 03:10:00	fendor	alanz, I am currently extending the hie debug information without `--lsp` flags and debugging stuff. Also, thinking about how to extend hie-bios
2020-01-10 03:10:27	alanz	ok, sounds good.
2020-01-10 03:10:52	fendor	what is needed for using the pPrintModule? Just calling the api correctly?
2020-01-10 03:11:13	alanz	yes. Making sure we actually have the parsed source.
2020-01-10 03:11:22	alanz	should be a straightforward plumbing thing
2020-01-10 03:11:40	alanz	Maybe we should make an issue for it
2020-01-10 03:12:04	fendor	yeah, we should. If nobody gets to it until next week, I will take a look at it
2020-01-10 03:16:04	alanz	ok
2020-01-10 03:16:45	alanz	I might get to it too, but head down on some GHC stuff right now. Seeing if we can move the API Annotations into the hsSyn AST
2020-01-10 03:17:00	alanz	And then move ghc-exactprint main stuff there too
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2020-01-10 15:24:55	jneira_	wow cabal azure build for linux is passing the tests suites at first
2020-01-10 15:25:02	jneira_	i cant believe it :-P
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2020-01-10 17:58:48	jneira_	hi fendor!
2020-01-10 17:59:57	jneira_	it seems the cabal helper uni tests need have cabal in $PATH to work
2020-01-10 18:00:34	jneira_	they have started to fail in my azure test branch cause i was not installing cabal
2020-01-10 18:00:52	jneira_	i assume that it is fine, right?
2020-01-10 18:01:40	jneira_	before that running the tests with stack did not need it
2020-01-10 18:02:37	jneira_	and i guess running tests with cabal will need stack
2020-01-10 18:04:12	fendor	jneira_, that is right! 
2020-01-10 18:04:39	jneira_	good, i'll add it to azure as another runtime dependency for tests
2020-01-10 18:05:01	jneira_	if we add it to build-depends it will be automatically installed?
2020-01-10 18:05:03	fendor	yeah, please :)
2020-01-10 18:05:17	fendor	running tests with cabal will only need stack for cabal-helper tests
2020-01-10 18:05:18	jneira_	build-tool-depends sorry
2020-01-10 18:05:37	fendor	well, it is a run-time dep for cabal-helper
2020-01-10 18:05:38	jneira_	i'll try it
2020-01-10 18:06:00	jneira_	this way it will be explicit
2020-01-10 18:07:44	jneira_	it installs cabal auto :-D
2020-01-10 18:07:58	jneira_	let see if the unit-tests pass
2020-01-10 18:09:20	fendor	nice! 
2020-01-10 18:09:20	jneira_	i wonder if it would work for liquidhaskell
2020-01-10 18:10:50	jneira_	i'll try too
2020-01-10 18:11:37	jneira_	it wont, we need a specific liquid version that needs a specific lts resolver
2020-01-10 18:12:13	fendor	isnt a specific version enough?
2020-01-10 18:13:34	jneira_	well i will try anyway but we are using stack resolver that afaiu cant install that version of liquid
2020-01-10 18:13:51	jneira_	ghc-8.4.4 and so on
2020-01-10 18:15:06	fendor	you can try cabal?
2020-01-10 18:16:22	jneira_	cabal was failing too, i guess we will have to add stack:stack to build-tool-depends :-D
2020-01-10 18:16:35	jneira_	how lovely one installing the other juasssss
2020-01-10 18:17:38	jneira_	stack tests pass adding cabal-install:cabal to b-t-d
2020-01-10 18:17:45	jneira_	lets see cabal ones
2020-01-10 18:23:53	fendor	what are cabal ones, are you running with cabal or do you mean the cabal-helper tests?
2020-01-10 18:25:46	jneira_	the cabal-helper tests run with cabal without stack in $PATH
2020-01-10 18:25:54	jneira_	they failed in azure
2020-01-10 18:27:42	jneira_	i am testing them after adding `stack:stack`to build-tool-depends 
2020-01-10 18:28:55	fendor	oh yeah, that fail, imo
2020-01-10 18:29:01	fendor	*that should fail
2020-01-10 18:29:14	jneira_	downside: it installs the tool even if it is in path :-/
2020-01-10 18:29:14	fendor	c-h tests cabal and stack project discovery and loading, iirc.
2020-01-10 18:29:43	jneira_	and install stack takes time
2020-01-10 18:29:46	fendor	is that a downside or just repeated work?
2020-01-10 18:29:56	fendor	I see
2020-01-10 18:30:02	jneira_	well it is faster to download stack that build it
2020-01-10 18:30:27	jneira_	and in linux machines stack and cabal are already installed in azure so...
2020-01-10 18:30:28	fendor	Oh, yeah. I see.
2020-01-10 18:30:42	fendor	gtg, sorry
2020-01-10 18:30:54	jneira_	otoh they will be cached
2020-01-10 18:31:05	jneira_	and the next run will be faster
2020-01-10 18:31:49	jneira_	i hope azure will not start to ask money for cache space :-P
2020-01-10 18:32:42	jneira_	our caches will be bigger so, do you think it is worth to have it in b-t-d?
2020-01-10 18:34:34	jneira_	fendor: sure, no problem
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2020-01-10 18:39:02	jneira_	i cant believe stack is not buildable with cabal
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2020-01-10 18:51:53	jneira_	no way: i cant install stack with cabal, it builds two versions of hackage-security
2020-01-10 18:52:02	jneira_	weird
2020-01-10 19:25:57	fendor	infinisil, https://github.com/Infinisil/all-hies/issues/40 is probably caused by hie and all-hies is innocent
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2020-01-10 20:13:22	infinisil	fendor: Cool thanks
2020-01-10 20:14:25	fendor	infinisil, np, thanks for all-hies ;D You can close the issue and refer to the issue upstream
2020-01-10 20:21:24	maerwald	stack is not buildable with cabal -- sounds like a feature lol!
2020-01-10 20:23:35	fendor	what, really? why so
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2020-01-10 20:39:38	arrowd	FreeBSD ports system is using cabal to build stack.
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2020-01-10 21:24:11	jneira[m]	To use build-tool-depends for tools you are not depending statically it is not a good idea
2020-01-10 21:24:39	jneira[m]	We have to wait to runtime-tool-depends
2020-01-10 21:29:22	maerwald	jneira[m]: why do you want to build stack from source?
2020-01-10 21:36:02	jneira[m]	Nah, now stack is a test runtime dep of hie
2020-01-10 21:36:28	jneira[m]	Even if you run the tests with cabal
2020-01-10 21:36:33	maerwald	what
2020-01-10 21:37:28	jneira[m]	I was trying to make it explicit adding it to build-tool-depends
2020-01-10 21:38:28	jneira[m]	I added cabal too but it is not a good idea for any of both
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2020-01-10 22:13:38	fendor	dxld, when you have time, can you take a look at https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1568? It seems like cabal-helper select `Cabal 2.4.0.1` and stack for some reason modifies the used Cabal version to `2.4.1.0` 
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2020-01-10 22:28:42	maerwald	jneira[m]: that seems wrong. Why would the tests depend on stack?
2020-01-10 22:42:20	fendor	maerwald, they do because the functional tests are only executed with stack
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2020-01-10 22:42:28	maerwald	why
2020-01-10 22:44:22	fendor	I dont know, it was like that when I joined the project. there is no particular reason for it now, except for no one took the time to refactor them.
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2020-01-10 23:15:00	jneira[m]	maerwald sorry my irc android app doesnt work very well
2020-01-10 23:16:50	maerwald	haha, software sucks xD
2020-01-10 23:28:48	jneira[m]	fendor Maybe we could make each tool test its projects using cabal-helper
2020-01-10 23:29:22	fendor	jneira[m], we have to test multiple configurations... We would need to test everything with hie.yaml and cabal-helper and each support at least two build-tools
2020-01-10 23:29:30	fendor	we should cut features, probably.
2020-01-10 23:32:16	jneira[m]	But stack could test only the CabalHelper-Stack cradle and cabal the CabalHelper-CabalV2 one?
2020-01-10 23:40:58	fendor	then we still have to duplicate the example projects, or edit hie.yaml, cabal.project, stack.yaml on the fly. Which is possible, just not very nice
2020-01-10 23:41:24	fendor	since most example projects test specific functionality
2020-01-10 23:43:45	jneira[m]	Oh, i see, we have a matrix between tools and tests
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2020-01-11 03:39:44	zeta_0	i installed the `all-hies` nix package and set it up in emacs with the language server protocol. when i open a haskell file hie seems to be working fine, but when i do cabal init to start a cabal project and open the haskell files in the cabal project, lsp loads but none of hie's features are activated, while digging through hie's documentation i found the `Project Configuration` section which seems to be what i nee
2020-01-11 03:39:44	zeta_0	d, anyways, do i place the code in `~/.cabal/config` or does the code need to be placed in the .cabal file of my project? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#project-configuration
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2020-01-11 03:52:18	jneira	hi! zeta_0 that configuration is about a `hie.yaml`file in the project root directory
2020-01-11 03:53:02	jneira	it is a specific config of haskell-ide-engine
2020-01-11 03:53:46	jneira	and you can use it to tell explicitly hie how you want load the project: using stack, cabal,...
2020-01-11 03:55:11	jneira	but there is an automatic loading that works for quite cases
2020-01-11 04:13:57	zeta_0	jneira: well, how do i setup the automatic loading? because when i open a haskell file in a cabal project none of hie's features are activated?
2020-01-11 04:18:25	jneira	are you using vscode? do you see in the progress bar any message when opening the file? 
2020-01-11 04:20:05	zeta_0	jneira: i am using emacs, it shows a message that lsp has been loaded
2020-01-11 04:25:46	zeta_0	jneira: in the hie::stderr section it says a message that it is building cabal, lsp-log is also throwing some weird error: https://hastebin.com/upisotehuh.nginx
2020-01-11 04:25:53	jneira	i dont use emacs lately
2020-01-11 04:26:57	zeta_0	jneira: well is there someone here that could help, or should i just post the issue on hie's github page?
2020-01-11 04:28:51	jneira	no one online i think, fill an issue with the log you pasted here sounds good
2020-01-11 04:29:29	zeta_0	jneira: ok, i'll post the issue, thanks for trying to help me
2020-01-11 04:29:38	jneira	and the contents of `/tmp/hie.log` too 
2020-01-11 04:29:56	jneira	take a look, maybe it gives you a clue
2020-01-11 04:30:30	jneira	>hie::stderr section it says a message that it is building cabal
2020-01-11 04:31:01	jneira	mmm that building finishes correctly? it can take a while 
2020-01-11 04:32:12	zeta_0	cabal: The program 'ar' is required but it could not be found.
2020-01-11 04:32:12	zeta_0	cabal: Failed to build Cabal-3.0.0.0. See the build log above for details.
2020-01-11 04:32:43	jneira	mmm that should be the reason
2020-01-11 04:33:37	zeta_0	what is `ar` ?
2020-01-11 04:35:04	jneira	it is one of the programs cabal uses to build the project
2020-01-11 04:36:09	jneira	you are using nix right? https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/55995
2020-01-11 04:36:41	jneira	i dont know much about nix, windows here :-)
2020-01-11 04:37:52	jneira	post the log with the error building Cabal in the issue will be helpful too
2020-01-11 04:42:03	zeta_0	jneira: yes i am using nix, that issue you pasted says i need to be inside of a nix-shell, but it doesn't seem to be making a difference, yeah i guess i will post the issue on hie's github page and wait for a response
2020-01-11 04:43:43	zeta_0	there is a couple of steps that is tells me to do for cabal, if that does not work then i will just post the issue
2020-01-11 04:46:40	jneira	:+1:
2020-01-11 04:47:55	zeta_0	[zeta@nixos:/~]$ cabal --version 
2020-01-11 04:47:56	zeta_0	cabal-install version 3.0.0.0
2020-01-11 04:47:56	zeta_0	compiled using version 3.0.0.0 of the Cabal library 
2020-01-11 04:48:15	zeta_0	i am using the correction version of cabal so that should not be the problem
2020-01-11 04:49:47	zeta_0	[zeta@nixos:/cabal-helper]$ ls
2020-01-11 04:49:48	zeta_0	cabal-helper0.9.0.0-Cabal2.4.0.1
2020-01-11 04:49:48	zeta_0	cabal-helper0.9.0.0-Cabal2.4.0.1.build
2020-01-11 04:50:06	zeta_0	it looks like cabal-helper is using the wrong version of cabal?
2020-01-11 04:50:15	zeta_0	jneira: ^
2020-01-11 04:57:53	jneira	jummm you should are using an old version of hie, it is using cabal-helper1.0.0.0 nowadays and i think all-hies let you use a more recent version
2020-01-11 04:58:17	jneira	old hie versions didnt support cabal-3.0.0.0
2020-01-11 04:58:41	jneira	the actual version of hie is 1.0.0.0
2020-01-11 05:01:43	jneira	*you must be using an old version
2020-01-11 05:08:32	zeta_0	jneira: let me check my nix installation of it, maybe i need to do an upgrade or something
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2020-01-13 12:36:12	jneira_	someone is working in macos to try to reproduce https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1207??
2020-01-13 12:36:34	jneira_	i've tried in windows and works fine
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2020-01-13 22:33:43	fendor	mpickering, I can reproduce the issue in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1520 by executing `hie-bios check src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Version.hs`. In the module graph is a ml_obj_file that does not exist. It does not happen all the time.
2020-01-13 22:34:14	mpickering	how many times does it happen out of 100?
2020-01-13 22:34:24	mpickering	what is going on in that file?
2020-01-13 22:34:28	mpickering	why is there even an object file..
2020-01-13 22:34:42	fendor	idk, but it imports Paths_haskell_ide_engine
2020-01-13 22:35:06	fendor	in HIE I can see the "Loading Version.hs" getting stuck
2020-01-13 22:35:31	mpickering	If it's reliable to reproduce I can look
2020-01-13 22:35:33	fendor	repeatedly
2020-01-13 22:35:39	fendor	it is not reliable yet :(
2020-01-13 22:36:43	fendor	sometimes it happened four times in a row and then it doesnt happen once the whole day
2020-01-13 22:37:03	mpickering	What is the path for this object file?
2020-01-13 22:37:12	fendor	ok, I deleted `dist-newstyle`, then uses a wrong obj-file
2020-01-13 22:37:37	fendor	for me: /run/user/1000/ghc<some number>/ghc_32.o
2020-01-13 22:37:57	fendor	when it is ghc_32.o the object has never existed so far
2020-01-13 22:38:20	mpickering	What other object files are in that directory?
2020-01-13 22:38:58	fendor	ghc_19.o, ghc_20.om ghc_31.o
2020-01-13 22:39:12	fendor	s/ ghc_20.om/ ghc_20.o,/
2020-01-13 22:39:57	mpickering	What is going on in Version.hs?
2020-01-13 22:40:12	fendor	not much
2020-01-13 22:40:45	fendor	uses `Paths_haskell_ide_engine` to display its version
2020-01-13 22:40:54	mpickering	Is it using TemplateHaskell?
2020-01-13 22:41:03	fendor	yeah
2020-01-13 22:41:23	fendor	$gitCommitCount and $(simpleVersion Meta.version)
2020-01-13 22:41:39	mpickering	ok
2020-01-13 22:41:51	fendor	where Meta = import qualified Paths_haskell_ide_engine as Meta
2020-01-13 22:41:54	mpickering	can you use fsnotify to watch the temp directory and see if the file gets created and deleted?
2020-01-13 22:42:03	fendor	sure
2020-01-13 22:43:53	mpickering	also I think passing `-fkeep-tmp-files` will fix it
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2020-01-13 22:44:29	fendor_	btw, hie-bios logs: https://gist.github.com/fendor/fef74a39d4fa65c7bd270c78500e599c
2020-01-13 22:46:47	mpickering	fendor_: Is there somewhere where we mostify the module graph in a hacky way?
2020-01-13 22:46:50	mpickering	*modify
2020-01-13 22:47:14	fendor_	I dont think so
2020-01-13 22:47:33	mpickering	I thought there was some bit where we modified the paths to things in the module graph
2020-01-13 22:47:41	fendor_	possibly
2020-01-13 22:48:24	fendor_	btw, where is fsnotify defined? :D I cant find this utility
2020-01-13 22:48:32	mpickering	on nixos?
2020-01-13 22:48:37	fendor_	yeah
2020-01-13 22:48:44	fendor_	oh that is a haskell package?
2020-01-13 22:49:00	fendor_	I expected a system package
2020-01-13 22:49:09	fendor_	got it
2020-01-13 22:50:20	mpickering	I thought it was a systems package
2020-01-13 22:50:25	mpickering	I can't remember what it's actually called though
2020-01-13 22:53:10	fendor_	yeah, there is a system utility, too
2020-01-13 22:53:15	mpickering	It sounds to me what is happening is that we should reset the path of the object file back to Nothing
2020-01-13 22:53:20	mpickering	after doing a load
2020-01-13 22:56:09	mpickering	I wonder if you can get into this same situation using ghci
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2020-01-13 23:00:36	mpickering	fendor_: What I think is happening is that ghc makes an object file to use with template haskell
2020-01-13 23:00:42	mpickering	it then deletes it after the module is finished loaded
2020-01-13 23:01:03	fendor_	that could make sense. Why does it eventually work though?
2020-01-13 23:01:04	mpickering	at a later point we use an old module graph which contains a reference to the now deleted file
2020-01-13 23:01:20	mpickering	eh? 
2020-01-13 23:01:34	mpickering	I can't spend any more time looking into this if the problem isn't specified
2020-01-13 23:02:39	fendor_	After trying some times, the ml_obj_file exists.
2020-01-13 23:02:49	fendor_	Ill experiment with fsnotify
2020-01-13 23:28:12	fendor_	I modified hie-bios to set Opt_KeepTmpFiles but the file  ml_obj_file = "/run/user/1000/ghc30614_0/ghc_32.o" is never generated apparently. Now /run/user/1000/ghc30614_0 contains a lot of files, with .s, .h and .hscpp endings 
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2020-01-13 23:36:52	mpickering	so you get the error but the object file is never actually created?
2020-01-13 23:36:53	mpickering	that's interesting
2020-01-13 23:38:49	fendor_	well, the path is wrong at least. 
2020-01-13 23:39:39	fendor_	Ill check if hie still chokes on it
2020-01-13 23:58:54	fendor_	ok, can not reproduce anymore, either way that hie is crashing
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2020-01-14 00:33:47	mpickering	It would be good to know where the bad read comes from at least
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2020-01-14 00:41:08	fendor_	I dont know.. seemingly, it is actually not a problem if the Paths_haskell_ide_engine object file does not exist
2020-01-14 00:46:19	mpickering	yeah `load` should take care of creating it if it doesn't exist
2020-01-14 00:48:51	fendor_	ok, then this was a false alarm and I did not get any close to solving it.
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2020-01-14 00:50:57	fendor_	*any closer
2020-01-14 00:58:53	mpickering	If you can reproduce it with a profiling version of ghc we could get a stack trace
2020-01-14 01:00:15	fendor_	yeah I can try that and wait for the error to happen
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2020-01-14 03:36:13	alanz	We must not forget to : https://summer.haskell.org/ideas.html
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2020-01-14 23:54:01	alanz	is it possible to specify a GHC version for use in a direct cradle?
2020-01-14 23:54:57	fendor	alanz, no
2020-01-14 23:55:11	alanz	It's pretty cool to be able to start a single file, and have "cradle: {direct: { arguments: ["-package ghc"]} }"
2020-01-14 23:55:31	alanz	and I can work around that, so all good.
2020-01-14 23:55:59	alanz	now if it could fall back to picking up the package settings from a .ghci file, then we would be really getting somewhere
2020-01-14 23:57:40	fendor	yeah, that would be cool. 
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2020-01-15 03:44:21	mpickering	The hackathon seems to have become a tooling hackathon :) 
2020-01-15 03:52:05	mpickering	Does anyone know if there is a lsp client which watches for file changes and just send save requests?
2020-01-15 03:52:09	mpickering	not tied to an editor
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2020-01-15 03:59:15	mpickering	something I want is a version of ghcide which uses the hie-bios config with ghcid
2020-01-15 03:59:28	mpickering	because I'm not good at using editor features or integrations
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2020-01-15 04:00:20	mpickering	and when ghcide supports multiple components it will blow ghci out the water
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2020-01-15 13:38:43	cocreature	mpickering: given that I’m very bad at using editor features myself, I might give that a shot :)
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2020-01-15 14:58:49	mpickering	cocreature: Well one of us has to implement multi-project support in ghcide..
2020-01-15 15:13:27	cocreature	mpickering: I was counting on you! :P
2020-01-15 15:23:29	mpickering	well perhaps we can trade on this then
2020-01-15 15:23:55	mpickering	hopefully pepe fixes the hover performance issues
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2020-01-15 19:05:13	jneira_	fendor: i am hitting https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1480 trying to open hie itself
2020-01-15 19:05:55	jneira_	the infamous error "Scheduler thread exited unexpectedly: loadObj "$TEMP\\ghc11780_0\\ghc_20.o": failed"
2020-01-15 19:06:02	fendor	yeah
2020-01-15 19:06:16	fendor	I tried debugging it but suddenly I was unable to reproduce it
2020-01-15 19:06:20	jneira_	i think mpickering and you was talking about the other day
2020-01-15 19:06:49	fendor	can you look in that path and check that it indeed does not exist?
2020-01-15 19:06:54	jneira_	so it is not deterministic? or you was not able to reproduce it never?
2020-01-15 19:07:05	fendor	it is not deterministic, afaict
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2020-01-15 19:08:01	fendor	in the logs, there should be a line with `modgraph` or something 
2020-01-15 19:08:08	fendor	that line could also be interesting
2020-01-15 19:08:29	jneira_	it does not exist
2020-01-15 19:08:47	fendor	ok, so at least correct
2020-01-15 19:09:22	jneira_	no modgraph in my log
2020-01-15 19:09:24	jneira_	:-/
2020-01-15 19:09:50	jneira_	maybe i have to checkout your pr?
2020-01-15 19:10:01	jneira_	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1569
2020-01-15 19:10:33	jneira_	in our case the Version module is importing a th definition that runs io
2020-01-15 19:10:48	jneira_	(it runs git to get the commit hash used in the version)
2020-01-15 19:11:05	jneira_	btw it does not work in cabal (for me) :-P
2020-01-15 19:11:22	fendor	you can not reproduce it with cabal?
2020-01-15 19:11:29	fendor	are you using hie.yaml or cabal-helper?
2020-01-15 19:11:41	fendor	no, that should be a log line from hie-bios
2020-01-15 19:11:48	jneira_	cabal-helper
2020-01-15 19:12:28	jneira_	cabal install install the executable in another temp directory and there there is not .git folder, so i runs git bu it cant get the commit hash
2020-01-15 19:12:35	fendor	no line like this? https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/blob/master/src/HIE/Bios/Ghc/Load.hs#L109
2020-01-15 19:13:10	fendor	there should be if run in debug mode
2020-01-15 19:13:29	jneira_	there is not
2020-01-15 19:13:37	jneira_	i am in debug mode i think
2020-01-15 19:14:00	fendor	actually, it would be very interesting if I can reproduce the bug with https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1569
2020-01-15 19:14:04	fendor	would make it easier
2020-01-15 19:14:20	jneira_	maybe it crashes before reach that line?
2020-01-15 19:14:43	jneira_	2020-01-15 13:58:50.5547596 [ThreadId 4] - <--2--{"jsonrpc":"2.0","params":{"value":{"kind":"report","percentage":0.9629629629629629,"message":"Haskell.Ide.Engine.Version"},"token":0},"method":"$/progress"}
2020-01-15 19:14:58	jneira_	it is loading the cabal project using cabal-helper
2020-01-15 19:15:34	jneira_	I will try the pr
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2020-01-15 19:20:24	fendor	I dont think so? Well, maybe
2020-01-15 19:21:04	fendor	with the pr, you should be able to do: `hie --debug src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Version.hs` so you dont have to load every file in the project
2020-01-15 19:23:00	maerwald	adding missing imports is not supported?
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2020-01-15 19:31:20	fendor	maerwald, you need a hoogle db
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2020-01-15 19:31:28	maerwald	I have
2020-01-15 19:31:29	fendor	a local one
2020-01-15 19:31:38	fendor	then it is, but I think it does not work always for types
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2020-01-15 19:47:28	maerwald	it says "rename provider not found for current document"
2020-01-15 19:48:05	fendor	aha? I mean, it is correct, there is no rename provider
2020-01-15 19:48:19	maerwald	how do I use hie to rename then?
2020-01-15 19:48:25	fendor	adding missing imports is a quick fix action
2020-01-15 19:48:45	fendor	rename has been disabled with HaRe because we can not obtain a complete module graph at the moment
2020-01-15 19:49:14	maerwald	it seem adding missing import only works for functions, not really for types
2020-01-15 19:49:22	maerwald	is that tracked on the issue tracker?
2020-01-15 19:49:28	fendor	yeah, I think the parsing of the error message is wrong
2020-01-15 19:49:29	fendor	no, not yet
2020-01-15 19:53:05	fendor	theoretically it is implemented, that's why I think that we are just not parsing the diagnostic correctly
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2020-01-15 20:59:37	fendor	infinisil, can I do profiling builds all-hies?
2020-01-15 21:00:34	infinisil	Hm not without changing all-hies itself I believe
2020-01-15 21:00:54	infinisil	Specifically this line: https://github.com/Infinisil/all-hies/blob/4b984030c8080d944372354a7b558c49858057e7/default.nix#L18
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2020-01-15 21:02:50	fendor	infinisil, cool, thank you! 
2020-01-15 21:03:28	infinisil	Will have to build a whole lot of stuff though, I wouldn't recommend this for developing
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2020-01-15 21:05:46	fendor	yeah, but when I do a local profiling build, I get a error message that it cant find libHsRandom. I thought, I can work around this by using nix
2020-01-15 21:07:36	infinisil	fendor: I see. You might also have to add `enableExecutableProfiling = true` after this line: https://github.com/Infinisil/all-hies/blob/4b984030c8080d944372354a7b558c49858057e7/default.nix#L78
2020-01-15 21:07:52	infinisil	I should probably make this configurable
2020-01-15 21:09:57	fendor	thanks! 
2020-01-15 21:10:11	fendor	Well, it is not a dev tool, so I think it is fine?
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2020-01-15 21:12:57	infinisil	Probably yeah
2020-01-15 21:13:57	fendor	ok, now I can wait for the build for the rest of the day :)
2020-01-15 21:24:24	mpickering	fendor: Welcome to real world programming
2020-01-15 21:24:44	mpickering	This used to be me working on GHC when my nixos server was not that powerful. Eventually I got a good computer which could build GHC in 20 mins
2020-01-15 21:25:00	mpickering	and also I wrote the script to load ghc into ghci and so on
2020-01-15 21:26:21	fendor	hehe, luckily, I should study anyway!
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2020-01-15 21:45:47	infinisil	In ~3 weeks I should have my last exam, in like forever, or just a very long time
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2020-01-15 21:52:43	fendor	nice! I still have at least a semester of studying ahead of me 
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2020-01-16 00:29:51	fendor_	does somebody have experience with such an error? https://gist.github.com/fendor/4b5f9f85320d9c3b86b0449a6c5b8ae3 I get it when trying to execute hie with profiling enabled on hie code base
2020-01-16 00:32:51	infinisil	fendor_: You on NixOS/
2020-01-16 00:32:53	infinisil	?
2020-01-16 00:33:17	fendor_	yeah but it also happens when using the build of all-hies :(
2020-01-16 00:33:57	infinisil	That's often the case on NixOS when a binary was built not by nix but some other way
2020-01-16 00:34:18	infinisil	Because the elf interpreter for the binary needs to be patched from /lib/... to something in /nix/store
2020-01-16 00:34:56	infinisil	You can use `strace -e trace=process -f -o out <the command>` to see what kind of binaries are called
2020-01-16 00:35:37	fendor_	thanks, trying right now
2020-01-16 00:35:42	infinisil	then check their path with `file /path/to/binary` to see what elf interpreter they use
2020-01-16 00:39:02	fendor_	infinisil, file output: https://gist.github.com/fendor/594c007266006f301324c54ba894c08f
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2020-01-16 00:39:09	fendor_	and the huge strace https://gist.github.com/fendor/0485cabaf0223d6aa21540ab3c50f95c
2020-01-16 00:39:15	fendor_	file looks fine?
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2020-01-16 00:41:15	infinisil	fendor_: Ah the relevant thing is running `file` on an executable in the trace
2020-01-16 00:42:41	fendor_	there are a lot of those in the trace :D 
2020-01-16 00:43:47	infinisil	fendor_: cat out | rg 'execve\("(.*?)"' -or '$1' | rg -v /nix/store | sort -u
2020-01-16 00:44:01	infinisil	(out is the trace, rg comes from ripgrep)
2020-01-16 00:44:13	infinisil	I see /home/baldr/Documents/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/dist-newstyle/build/x86_64-linux/ghc-8.6.5/haskell-ide-engine-1.0.0.0/x/hie/build/hie/hie in there
2020-01-16 00:44:42	fendor_	infinisil, yeah, it has the same error message as the one from all-hies
2020-01-16 00:44:56	infinisil	Ah
2020-01-16 00:45:12	infinisil	I also see /run/user/1000/bios-wrapper25936-0 in there
2020-01-16 00:45:19	fendor_	https://pastebin.com/6epKNWec
2020-01-16 00:45:20	infinisil	That looks suspicious
2020-01-16 00:45:34	fendor_	that is generated at run-time by hie-bios
2020-01-16 00:45:43	infinisil	That is very suspicious then
2020-01-16 00:45:54	infinisil	It probably won't be patched to work on Nixos, try running `file` on it
2020-01-16 00:45:55	fendor_	that is a problem in general, then
2020-01-16 00:46:23	fendor_	no, it is the following bash script: https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/blob/master/wrappers/cabal
2020-01-16 00:46:43	infinisil	Oh I see
2020-01-16 00:46:47	infinisil	Then that's not problematic..
2020-01-16 00:47:02	infinisil	The .cabal paths are also suspicious
2020-01-16 00:47:03	fendor_	it should not be at least
2020-01-16 00:47:19	fendor_	yeah, those are weird, same as .local
2020-01-16 00:47:30	infinisil	cat out | rg 'execve\("(.*?)"' -or '$1' | rg -v /nix/store | sort -u | xargs -I{} file {}
2020-01-16 00:47:42	fendor_	none of them exists
2020-01-16 00:47:50	fendor_	except for doctest
2020-01-16 00:47:54	infinisil	Huh
2020-01-16 00:48:24	fendor_	https://pastebin.com/FAJrp1Jx
2020-01-16 00:49:04	fendor_	it must be related somehow to profiling mode, normally I dont have problem with either, all-hies nor from source
2020-01-16 00:49:20	infinisil	Hm I'mrelatively clueless
2020-01-16 00:49:51	fendor_	I tried to locate all libHshashable stuff: https://pastebin.com/6xGBBbgV
2020-01-16 00:50:24	fendor_	noticable is the second path
2020-01-16 00:50:40	fendor_	it is exactly the one that can not be found BUT has an `.a` extension instead of `.so`
2020-01-16 00:51:18	infinisil	Hm .a's are shared libraries, .so are dynamic libraries I think
2020-01-16 00:52:31	fendor_	Wasnt it the other way around? I thought .so was shared object file
2020-01-16 00:53:19	fendor_	no, I think you are right
2020-01-16 00:54:39	fendor_	Ill try compiling with dynamic
2020-01-16 01:10:23	infinisil	Oh
2020-01-16 01:10:38	infinisil	I think it's static vs dynamic library
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2020-01-16 01:12:09	fendor_	this could be a profiling bug
2020-01-16 01:12:24	fendor_	can reproduce the same issue with hie-bios
2020-01-16 01:18:51	fendor_	theory: could it be that we are reusing libdir of a non-profiling ghc version?
2020-01-16 01:23:30	fendor_	another question, why are ghc stack traces so extremely redundant?
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2020-01-16 03:58:17	crobbins	alanz: Is there any documentation for how to integrate with hie? Specifically, I already have integration with ghc-mod, and from what I understand you can still send ghc-mod commands to hie and get more or less the same thing back, so wondering how this would work out.
2020-01-16 03:59:00	crobbins	I think I've asked before about experimenting with hie via stdin/stdout, and at the time I think this was not possible, but from the docs it seems it is?
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2020-01-16 11:22:29	cocreature	crobbins: hie is an LSP server so the LSP specification is a good starting point https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specification
2020-01-16 11:22:50	cocreature	there are libraries for most languages so you can probably avoid implementing the protocol yourself
2020-01-16 11:23:01	cocreature	LSP goes via stdin/stdout in most cases
2020-01-16 11:25:20	cocreature	ghc-mod is not an LSP server so the commands will be different but there are probably equivalents for most commands you currently send to ghc-mod
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2020-01-16 13:34:52	mpickering	infinisil: This profiling problem is because you need to build your project with profiling enabled as well if you are using a profiling version of GHC
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2020-01-16 15:21:00	mpickering	cocreature: I will need to pair with someone to implement multi-component support I think. It's not easy for me to see how to modify the existing architecture right now. 
2020-01-16 15:29:08	mpickering	Hmm perhaps it is actually easy..
2020-01-16 15:30:21	mpickering	The `GhcSessionFun` is already parameterised over the filepath
2020-01-16 15:32:45	cocreature	mpickering: I was planning to take a look at it in Bristol
2020-01-16 15:33:12	mpickering	fendor: The error you got yesterday was because you need to compile your project with profiling as well if using a profiling version of hie
2020-01-16 15:34:42	mpickering	cocreature: OK, there seems to be some reason things are engineered like they are because `loadSession` is called once in `exe/Main` and then `GhcSessionFun` always returns the same thing
2020-01-16 15:34:47	mpickering	easier to sort out in person
2020-01-16 16:42:05	fendor	mpickering, oh, that makes sense! will try it, thanks!
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2020-01-16 17:14:25	FernandoBasso	What editor do you use and why that editor?
2020-01-16 17:17:59	jneira_	eclipse, vscode,  emacs, hard to tell the reasons ;-)
2020-01-16 17:19:23	Rembane	neovim, reason: inertia.
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2020-01-16 20:24:49	maerwald	more bugs, less usable GUIs
2020-01-16 20:25:03	maerwald	vscode is nice, but is basically a memory leak
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2020-01-16 20:36:58	FernandoBasso	I am okay with vim (using it for more than 10 years). Yet, I can't deny how easy it is to just start atom or vscode nowadays. I'm in the middle of an editor crisis, I think.
2020-01-16 20:37:17	FernandoBasso	I use emacs too, but not as much as vim, and not as fluent.
2020-01-16 20:48:27	fendor	I like kate
2020-01-16 20:51:02	Rembane	Is it the KDE editor? 
2020-01-16 20:54:35	crobbins	cocreature: is there an example for request/response with hie? maybe in a test case or something?
2020-01-16 20:54:55	mpickering	crobbins: It's the LSP protocol
2020-01-16 20:55:15	mpickering	not sure your questions make that much sense, you send LSP requests and it sends you back LSP responses
2020-01-16 20:55:28	crobbins	i thought that there was a way of sending commands to ghc-mod through hie that LSP doesn't yet support?
2020-01-16 20:56:34	mpickering	ghc-mod is nothing to do with hie anymore
2020-01-16 20:56:53	mpickering	You might be thinking of the JSON transport option
2020-01-16 20:56:59	mpickering	but that also got removed
2020-01-16 21:00:28	crobbins	i thought ghc-mod was still used at the core of hie?
2020-01-16 21:00:35	crobbins	ghc-mod the library
2020-01-16 21:06:55	mpickering	Nope
2020-01-16 21:08:40	mpickering	we finally got rid of all that
2020-01-16 21:12:50	crobbins	oh wow ok, did you write a new ghc api backend? or use something else?
2020-01-16 21:14:48	crobbins	ah i see, i'm guessing it's part of the hie-plugin-api
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2020-01-17 01:48:32	jneira	fendor: i am hitting the compile error involving cabal-helper and cabal-plan in azure ci
2020-01-17 01:49:00	jneira	did you solve it removing all cabal-plan-* folder in the store dir?
2020-01-17 01:49:27	fendor	jneira, I think cabal-store-check did also work. But for CI, just nuke the store dir, no?
2020-01-17 01:58:20	jneira	mmm it takes 1 hour of build+install without it, and it always is throwed with a clean store-dir
2020-01-17 01:59:18	jneira	only in windows, i cant reproduce it in local consistently 
2020-01-17 01:59:58	jneira	it is weird that cabal does not share the libs between builds and install
2020-01-17 02:04:42	fendor	yeah, it totally is
2020-01-17 02:04:47	fendor	and annoying
2020-01-17 02:13:05	fendor	did we report that bug yet?
2020-01-17 02:17:09	jneira	nope
2020-01-17 02:17:43	jneira	not sure where should it be, cabal? 
2020-01-17 02:18:35	jneira	no many hopes :-/
2020-01-17 02:19:57	jneira	i suspect the cause is the private lib, i think they don't work 100%
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2020-01-17 03:11:25	fendor	I think it ought to be cabal
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2020-01-17 12:58:26	jneira_	dxld: have you hit the build error of cabal-helper described here: https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/6483?
2020-01-17 13:04:53	jneira_	i guess remove the private lib would be annoying :-/
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2020-01-17 15:10:53	dxld	jneira_: now that we have common-sections it wouldn't really be so bad
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2020-01-17 15:11:15	dxld	but if that's a cabal bug I'd rather have a fix in cabal
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2020-01-17 15:16:18	dxld	jneira_: but if there is a plan for eventually going back I'm not super opposed to refactoring the intlib into a common section until there is a cabal fix in place
2020-01-17 15:27:45	jneira_	well it has a "simple" workaround in local and i am trying to separate the store-dir for builds and install (they are rebuilt anyway)
2020-01-17 15:28:48	jneira_	btw i've not found a issue in cabal about the fact `cabal v2-install` and `cabal v2-build`dont reuse deps
2020-01-17 15:29:28	jneira_	> i am trying to separate the store-dir
2020-01-17 15:29:31	jneira_	in azure ci
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2020-01-17 16:24:19	jneira_	shit `cabal.exe: unrecognized 'v2-install' option `--store-dir'` i did not remember that
2020-01-17 16:31:17	jneira_	my fault it is a general option 
2020-01-17 16:33:37	jneira_	but it is not listed in --help
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2020-01-17 18:31:33	jneira_	using a store-dir for build and other for install seems to fix the issue :-)
2020-01-17 18:32:30	mpickering	https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/306
2020-01-17 18:37:24	jneira_	:+1:
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2020-01-18 00:38:01	mpickering	lukelau: https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/pull/322
2020-01-18 00:38:10	mpickering	Did you see this problem with lsp-test not sending a certain notification?
2020-01-18 00:58:44	cocreature	mpickering: I don’t think this is a problem in with lsp-test not sending certain notifications. there is just no convenience helper for sending this particular notification
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2020-01-18 01:06:00	mpickering	cocreature: ok, I was just thinking about multi-component again, it's an interesting problem..
2020-01-18 01:11:19	mpickering	ah reflex-fsnotify already exists, good good
2020-01-18 01:12:30	mpickering	and it's even on hackage, blimy 
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2020-01-18 01:33:35	mpickering	Anyone hear familiar with `haskell-lsp` and can quickly explain to me how I should use `RequestMessage` `RequestResponse`?
2020-01-18 01:33:54	mpickering	It seems that all the different methods are not in the same data type so you have to use existentials? 
2020-01-18 01:34:46	cocreature	mpickering: are you looking for `FromClientMessage` and `FromServerMessage`?
2020-01-18 01:35:59	mpickering	cocreature: Where are those defined?
2020-01-18 01:36:21	mpickering	I am trying to implement a language server client and want to know the types of the LSP requests I can send/recieve 
2020-01-18 01:37:15	mpickering	ah they are in haskell-lsp not haskell-lsp-types
2020-01-18 01:37:19	mpickering	This looks good
2020-01-18 01:37:19	cocreature	yeah
2020-01-18 01:38:27	mpickering	So I just need to construct one of these and then convert it into json and send it to the server over stdin?
2020-01-18 01:38:48	cocreature	yeah
2020-01-18 01:39:39	cocreature	the lsp-test API makes for a pretty good client API even if you don’t care about testing
2020-01-18 01:40:29	mpickering	You mean depending on `lsp-test` directly or for inspiration?
2020-01-18 01:40:36	mpickering	that's a useful tip thanks
2020-01-18 01:41:14	cocreature	just depend on it directly
2020-01-18 01:43:16	mpickering	I see, looks like a good starting point but I am using reflex so would need to fork it
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2020-01-18 04:18:07	mpickering	It seems ghcide is exiting after I send the initialisation request
2020-01-18 04:18:18	mpickering	I get a response back which looks right
2020-01-18 05:10:35	mpickering	ok I found the problem, I was sending garbage
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2020-01-18 06:49:58	zebrag	What is happening behind the scene if I do `stack ./install.hs hie`?
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2020-01-18 17:46:34	lukelau	mpickering cocreature: lsp-test doesn’t handle any of the workspace stuff at the moment, but it would be good if it could start sending those notifications automatically if the server registers for those capabiliteis
2020-01-18 17:46:37	lukelau	*capabilities
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2020-01-18 18:01:17	lukelau	this cabal.project.freeze file is preventing the ghc-8.8 branch from being built
2020-01-18 18:01:28	lukelau	it pins it to one version for me
2020-01-18 18:04:48	lukelau	zebrag: it calls `stack build —stack-yaml=stack.xxx.yaml` for each of the ghc versions
2020-01-18 18:05:17	lukelau	and then copies the hie-xxx binaries into ~/.local/bin or whatever, along with hie-wrapper (i think? cc jneira9)
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2020-01-18 22:32:26	Franciman	Hi
2020-01-18 22:32:35	Franciman	is there any news regarding cabal v2-style builds?
2020-01-18 22:34:09	jneira9	Franciman: well it is already supported, since hie is using hie-bios under the hood 
2020-01-18 22:34:18	Franciman	ohhhh
2020-01-18 22:34:22	Franciman	GREAT
2020-01-18 22:34:42	Franciman	finally! I Want to try it NOW
2020-01-18 22:34:44	Franciman	thanks
2020-01-18 22:34:47	jneira9	yeah, and you can use cabal-3.0
2020-01-18 22:35:00	Franciman	y a y
2020-01-18 22:35:08	Franciman	i can finally stop using golang
2020-01-18 22:35:17	Franciman	:P
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2020-01-18 22:39:08	jneira9	he, so only for that it was worth it :-D
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2020-01-19 04:33:23	mpickering	ah, so that's what the code I deleted was supposed to do
2020-01-19 04:34:18	mpickering	PR once I have finished prototyping..
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2020-01-19 21:58:16	mpickering	lukelau: I have had to copy a lot of code out of lsp-test for use in my own project
2020-01-19 21:58:32	mpickering	might be a nice idea to pull out some of the bits as they are useful for writing clients
2020-01-19 21:58:38	mpickering	I suppose writing clients is quite uncommon though
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2020-01-19 23:23:41	lukelau	mpickering: what parts? i’m all ears. the lsp-client package hasn’t been updated in a while
2020-01-19 23:24:24	lukelau	we could look at splitting out the client/server stuff from haskell-lsp so we have haskell-lsp-server, haskell-lsp-client, haskell-lsp-types
2020-01-19 23:24:37	lukelau	and then use haskell-lsp-client in lsp-test
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2020-01-20 00:20:45	mpickering	lukelau: I will show you next week
2020-01-20 00:23:37	mpickering	I am wondering what notification I have to send to the LSP server to get it to send me diagnostics back
2020-01-20 00:27:17	cocreature	mpickering: in general, none, diagnostics are a notification not a request so the server doesn’t need to be prompted to send them to you
2020-01-20 00:27:33	mpickering	but I probably need to advertise that I can accept them?
2020-01-20 00:27:41	mpickering	From ClientCapabilities?
2020-01-20 00:28:38	cocreature	IIRC diagnostics are obligatory so you don’t have to advertise them
2020-01-20 00:29:43	mpickering	ok so any ideas why I am not receiving them?
2020-01-20 00:30:07	mpickering	I receive an initialise response but the nothing else
2020-01-20 00:30:14	cocreature	are you opening a document?
2020-01-20 00:30:15	mpickering	could be anything issue with my program tbh
2020-01-20 00:30:26	mpickering	Yes I am opening the document
2020-01-20 00:30:29	mpickering	I send initialise, open
2020-01-20 00:30:33	mpickering	then DidSave notifications 
2020-01-20 00:30:57	mpickering	I suspect there is something wrong with my response parsing
2020-01-20 00:30:59	cocreature	and you’re testing against ghcide or hie?
2020-01-20 00:32:02	mpickering	ghcide
2020-01-20 00:32:10	mpickering	Ok I just got a diagnostic on the open
2020-01-20 00:32:11	mpickering	that's good
2020-01-20 00:32:39	mpickering	but after a save notification, no diagnostics response
2020-01-20 00:32:58	mpickering	I just fixed the error so I would expect an empty publish diagnostics response
2020-01-20 00:33:25	cocreature	so you are basically doing the following: 1. open document. 2. modify corresponding file on disk. 3. send didsave?
2020-01-20 00:33:59	mpickering	In the program I am writing I send open
2020-01-20 00:34:06	mpickering	then I open the file in my unrelated editor
2020-01-20 00:34:08	mpickering	save it
2020-01-20 00:34:15	mpickering	fsnotify  observes the modification
2020-01-20 00:34:19	mpickering	so my program sends a DidSave
2020-01-20 00:34:46	mpickering	The DidSave notification only sends the FilePath, not any other information like the modification or open notification
2020-01-20 00:35:07	cocreature	afaik you need to send textDocument/didChange for files that you have opened
2020-01-20 00:35:46	mpickering	ok, so do you know when the save one should be used?
2020-01-20 00:35:59	cocreature	for ghcide, I don’t think that notification does anything
2020-01-20 00:36:24	mpickering	It does do something.. but I'm not sure what
2020-01-20 00:36:49	mpickering	It calls `setSomethingModified ide`
2020-01-20 00:37:18	cocreature	that’s pretty much the same as “do nothing”. it just calls a shake run but the file contents in the VFS haven’t change so it won’t do anything
2020-01-20 00:37:37	cocreature	not sure why we have that tbh
2020-01-20 00:38:05	mpickering	Ok so I have to use the change notification 
2020-01-20 00:38:11	cocreature	yep
2020-01-20 00:40:23	mpickering	And I just send the whole file I guess?
2020-01-20 00:40:53	mpickering	what happens if I keep sending open events instead?
2020-01-20 00:40:56	mpickering	that seems easier to implement..
2020-01-20 00:41:51	cocreature	are you sending open’s without any content?
2020-01-20 00:42:37	cocreature	you can send the whole file on changes if you set the sync kind in your capabilities to Full
2020-01-20 00:44:25	mpickering	ok
2020-01-20 00:44:30	cocreature	not sure if open’s without any content are handled correctly, i.e., sync kind 'None' are handled correctly. haskell-lsp intercepts open’s, changes, … and updates the VFS internally and it looks like it will just insert an empty string in the VFS which sounds questionable
2020-01-20 00:44:32	mpickering	You have to send the full content on an open
2020-01-20 00:44:49	mpickering	as far as I can see
2020-01-20 00:44:52	cocreature	unless you have sync kind 'None'
2020-01-20 00:45:00	cocreature	but as mentioned above, I doubt that actually works :)
2020-01-20 00:45:21	cocreature	but arguably that is the right mode for a fsnotify-based client
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2020-01-20 00:49:43	mpickering	what is the capability called for sync kind?
2020-01-20 00:50:32	mpickering	I see it
2020-01-20 00:52:07	mpickering	It seems to be TextDocumentChangeRegistrationOptions but that also seems unused in haskell-lsp
2020-01-20 00:53:31	cocreature	no, I mean "textDocumentSync                 :: Maybe J.TextDocumentSyncOptions"
2020-01-20 00:54:39	fendor	jneira_[m], I am trying to add actual loading tests for cabal-helper, but I am struggling with mixing c-h stack and cabal cradles. Any ideas how I could model this?
2020-01-20 00:55:06	cocreature	mpickering: oh sorry, that’s a capability on the server side
2020-01-20 00:55:48	cocreature	I _think_ ghcide advertises the incremental one but I’m fairly sure you can ignore that and send the full contents since haskell-lsp doesn’t care what the capability is set to
2020-01-20 00:58:07	cocreature	yeah I do that in tests via lsp-test so this definitely works
2020-01-20 00:58:23	mpickering	the applyChanges function sets the VFS to the new thing
2020-01-20 00:58:28	mpickering	if you have both fields as Nothing/Nothing
2020-01-20 00:58:34	mpickering	the range and len fields
2020-01-20 00:58:35	cocreature	yep
2020-01-20 00:59:53	cocreature	the spec seems to be a bit unclear on whether that’s allowed if the server requests Incremental syncing but it’s probably harder to reject that than to support it :)
2020-01-20 01:00:12	mpickering	ok so I am definitely sending the change notification
2020-01-20 01:00:20	mpickering	because ghcide reports "Modified text document"
2020-01-20 01:00:27	mpickering	but then not diagnostics back..
2020-01-20 01:00:48	mpickering	Lemme hook up a log of the exact notification which gets sent
2020-01-20 01:08:33	mpickering	Yeah the did change notification definitely gets sent
2020-01-20 01:08:37	mpickering	and it has the updated file in it
2020-01-20 01:09:38	cocreature	that should be sufficient. not sure what is going wrong then.
2020-01-20 01:12:14	cocreature	are you sure your client code isn’t just failing to parse things in some way?
2020-01-20 01:13:01	mpickering	No
2020-01-20 01:13:11	mpickering	It was because I was not sending an updated "version" number
2020-01-20 01:13:21	mpickering	I just hardcoded the version number to 1 instead of 0
2020-01-20 01:13:23	cocreature	ah yeah
2020-01-20 01:13:36	mpickering	and it worekd
2020-01-20 01:13:55	cocreature	until you edit it twice :P
2020-01-20 01:14:01	cocreature	but one edit should be enough for everyone
2020-01-20 01:16:41	mpickering	Now I set it to an auto incrementing integer which is nothing to do with the document version and it seems to work
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2020-01-20 01:17:03	mpickering	The use of semantics of document version have never been clear to me
2020-01-20 01:18:15	cocreature	auto incrementing is fine afaik
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2020-01-20 03:00:47	mpickering	my fsnotify client works now
2020-01-20 03:00:55	mpickering	and displays errors 
2020-01-20 03:04:43	mpickering	It is so ugly so perhaps someone will want to help me improve it next weekend
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2020-01-20 03:27:03	lukelau	alanz cocreature: just booked my flights to bristol, looks like i’ll be at the hackathon after all :)
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2020-01-20 03:30:59	alanz	lukelau, great news
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2020-01-20 03:37:03	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/reflex-ghcide
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2020-01-20 04:24:20	alanz	jneira, can we merge 8.8?
2020-01-20 04:25:33	alanz	(just double checking on the comment on the PR)
2020-01-20 04:25:36	jneira	yeah! i've just commented
2020-01-20 04:26:26	alanz	great, a long time coming, lots of niggles. Thanks
2020-01-20 04:26:52	alanz	so we now have ormolu and GHC 8.8
2020-01-20 04:27:35	alanz	One of the things I want to discuss in Bristol is ways of having a configurable plugin architecture. So you do not build/install the e.g. formatters you dont use
2020-01-20 04:28:16	jneira	do you think it is better to comment tests in windows? i dont want them to hinder prs
2020-01-20 04:28:49	alanz	I think having them is good, and worth the fight, if you are up for it
2020-01-20 04:29:02	alanz	It is an important platform after all.
2020-01-20 04:29:32	jneira	yeah, i will try ;-)
2020-01-20 04:30:02	alanz	And I saw on the GHC mailing list that they are getting the infra there sorted out too, so it should be less flaky going forward. 8.12 onward :(
2020-01-20 04:37:05	alanz	And the 8.8.1 stuff is broken for stack.  https://gist.github.com/alanz/c0069393a899a8625283396999d12059 
2020-01-20 04:41:15	alanz	ah, damn. ormolu and 8.8 are not compatible.
2020-01-20 04:41:57	alanz	https://gist.github.com/alanz/04bc62fc6b752b06bdce66d8ee4f3421
2020-01-20 04:46:24	jneira	ugh
2020-01-20 04:48:08	alanz	I do recall doing a mental "is this safe" question.
2020-01-20 04:48:31	alanz	It only affects 8.8.1, which has not been a thing up to now, so should not cause huge consternation out there.
2020-01-20 04:48:45	alanz	So we can work on a plan and sort it, as time permits.
2020-01-20 04:48:52	alanz	No point rolling anything back
2020-01-20 04:48:54	jneira	with luck only relaxing the upper bound on optparse-applicative will be needed
2020-01-20 04:48:58	jneira	yeah
2020-01-20 04:49:40	jneira	cant help much with 8.8.1 :-/ 
2020-01-20 04:50:44	alanz	windows?
2020-01-20 04:50:50	jneira	yep
2020-01-20 04:50:56	alanz	maybe we should move straight to 8.8.2
2020-01-20 04:51:15	alanz	which fixes windows support, I gather?
2020-01-20 04:51:32	jneira	yeah
2020-01-20 04:51:59	jneira	i did a quick try in the ghc-8.8.1 branch with ghc-8.8.2 and it did not build
2020-01-20 04:52:25	jneira	stack.yaml still uses ghc-8.6.5
2020-01-20 04:52:54	alanz	8.8.1 does not build for constraints, unlikely that 8.8.2 would work
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2020-01-20 05:01:44	jneira	i tried it before ormollu and it failed due to unix-compat -> time, again >.< 
2020-01-20 05:03:53	sim590	I am trying to run a new version of the program. I ran `stack ./install.hs hie-8.6.5` and now the program doesn't run anymore... I have no clue how to debug. Where can I start?
2020-01-20 05:12:09	jneira	well, what editor are you using? it does not show any error?
2020-01-20 05:15:43	jneira	(unix-compat are not broken but the index-state fixed in cabal.project did not take the hackage revision) 
2020-01-20 05:18:10	alanz	I just tested current master, installed via "./install.hs hie-8.6.5" on hie itself, and it works. With a cabal cradle. On Debian testing
2020-01-20 05:24:21	sim590	jneira: vim with languageClient.
2020-01-20 05:27:01	sim590	The only thing that I know right now is that ycmd logs say that there is no semantic completer for haskelll (bug string: "No semantic completer exists for filetypes: ['haskell']") and that using :call LanguageClient#textDocument_definition()<CR> doesn't do anything. 
2020-01-20 05:28:24	sim590	I do receive error messages "[LC] timed out waiting on receive operation" from LanguageClient in Vim.
2020-01-20 05:30:56	sim590	hie-wrapper is running when Vim opens a haskell buffer.
2020-01-20 05:31:58	sim590	I don't know where the it fails. It seems like hie-wrapper is not responding to LanguageClient, but how can I know if LanguageClient is even sending messages accordingly to hiw-wrapper?
2020-01-20 05:32:21	sim590	I also get "[LC] sending on a disconnected channel"
2020-01-20 05:32:32	jneira	alanz: `cabal build -w ghc-8.8.2 --allow-newer="ormolu:optparse-applicative"` works for me
2020-01-20 05:33:04	jneira	so it is the unique package that needs bump up the upper bound in ormolu
2020-01-20 05:33:50	sim590	Well.. it seems like I needed the new --lsp flag in my languageclient configuration ....
2020-01-20 05:33:59	jneira	sim590: mmm, you can trie to run directly `hie-wrapper --lsp -d`in a console
2020-01-20 05:34:19	sim590	jneira: I didn't know that I needed --lsp. Last version I used didn't use that.
2020-01-20 05:34:41	alanz	jneira: that is good news, we just need some version bumps 
2020-01-20 05:34:59	jneira	sim590: yeah, it changed recently
2020-01-20 05:35:06	alanz	sim590: we brought it back, so the bare version dies debug, like ghcide
2020-01-20 05:35:42	sim590	jneira: I'm presently testing for #1415. It seesm like it's resolved.
2020-01-20 05:35:50	sim590	I can't reproduce the bug.
2020-01-20 05:36:13	alanz	jneira: , maybe we should emit.one valid protocol packet with a showmessage saying use --lsp then do debug output
2020-01-20 05:37:27	jneira	alanz: yeah, the change is documented somewhere?
2020-01-20 05:37:50	jneira	sim590: nice! good news, thanks for try it out
2020-01-20 05:39:36	sim590	I'm replying to the issue so that we can close it.
2020-01-20 05:39:54	jneira	thanks
2020-01-20 05:40:12	jneira	alanz: it is in the changelog
2020-01-20 05:41:47	alanz	jneira: I am suggesting that we maybe send a single valid lsp packet when doing debug, then do the debug stuff. And it has a message saying to start with --lsp for actual server usage
2020-01-20 05:42:21	alanz	Like the original wrapper tried to make one in a bash script
2020-01-20 05:44:10	jneira	sounds good, users will have direct feedback
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2020-01-20 12:01:23	cocreature	lukelau: awesome, see you there!
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2020-01-20 16:18:50	jneira_	i've reached the limit of disk space for azure machines: 10 Gb :-/
2020-01-20 16:19:20	jneira_	installing two ghc's and using two store-dir (one for build and another to install)
2020-01-20 16:21:15	fendor	so, installation of hie takes up more than 10 GB? 0.o
2020-01-20 16:24:34	jneira_	nooo, but i have to install liquidhaskell
2020-01-20 16:24:38	jneira_	hoogle database
2020-01-20 16:24:39	jneira_	etc
2020-01-20 16:24:57	jneira_	to install liquidhaskell with ghc-8.4.4 i have to download ghc-8.6.5
2020-01-20 16:25:40	jneira_	cabal has a solver plan for liquidhaskell-0.8.6.2 with ghc-8.4.4 but compilation fails with
2020-01-20 16:25:46	jneira_	src\Language\Haskell\Liquid\GHC\Misc.hs:501:9: error:    * The constructor `SigD' should have 1 argument, but has been given 2    * In the pattern: SigD _ (InlineSig {})      In a stmt of a pattern guard for                     an equation for go':        SigD _ (InlineSig {}) <- unLoc x      In an equation for go':          go' x            | SigD
2020-01-20 16:25:46	jneira_	_ (InlineSig {}) <- unLoc x = False            | otherwise = True    |501 |       | SigD _ (InlineSig {}) <-  unLoc x = False    |         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^cabal: Failed to build liquidhaskell-0.8.6.2 (which is required by exe:liquidfrom liquidhaskell-0.8.6.2). See the build log above for details.
2020-01-20 16:26:13	jneira_	:' -(
2020-01-20 16:28:28	fendor	lives hard :( 
2020-01-20 16:28:52	fendor	Maybe we can patch liquid haskell to provide pre-compiled binaries? ;D 
2020-01-20 16:34:47	fendor	*life's 
2020-01-20 16:38:04	jneira_	if i would know that it is the only one cpp to add maybe, but i am not optimistic right now
2020-01-20 16:39:00	jneira_	no precompiled binaries of liquid, of course, i thnk it depends on files installed by cabal in the store blabla
2020-01-20 16:39:25	jneira_	i sometimes miss the jvm:-P
2020-01-20 16:40:07	mpickering	You can go with the mpickering solution and just remove support for it
2020-01-20 16:40:10	mpickering	;)
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2020-01-20 16:41:17	jneira_	he, not bad, maybe i will disable liquid tests for windows + ghc-8.4.4, to not be too drastic
2020-01-20 16:41:28	fendor	but we have at least one user, allegedly! 
2020-01-20 16:44:16	jneira_	well, if we get a way to load plugins at runtime (to not link statically all possible haskell formatters in the wild) user could choose to not use liquid :-P
2020-01-20 16:44:44	jneira_	are you going to talk about that in Bristol?
2020-01-20 16:45:37	jneira_	convert all plugins in mini lsp servers is too crazy, f.e.? :-)
2020-01-20 16:45:52	fendor	I think the higher priority is to merge efforts on ghcide and hie?
2020-01-20 16:46:10	fendor	jneira_, I like the idea of microservices, you can deploy them in the cloud ;D 
2020-01-20 17:05:02	mankyKitty	"Ensure you have sufficient coolant reserves, then connect to the cluster" ... would be a very Haskell thing to have to do before running the tooling. ;P 
2020-01-20 17:07:43	fendor	would be kind of hilarious. Actually, at a conference, someone asked if that is going to be possible.
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2020-01-20 19:40:19	fendor_	I think refactoring the brittany plugin to use `pPrintModule` seems very difficult. Do we have to reparse the given text into a 'GHC.ParsedSource'?
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2020-01-20 22:56:30	fendor	maerwald, can you link logs from vscode where you reproduce the hover issue? (mainly because I know how the output in vscode should look like)
2020-01-20 22:56:47	maerwald	what logs
2020-01-20 22:57:00	fendor	the hie logs, in debug mode, if possible, please
2020-01-20 22:57:14	fendor	regarding issue https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1567
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2020-01-20 22:58:28	fendor	it is funny, because for me it is the other way around. I dont have any documentation with completion, only type sigs and documentation on hover
2020-01-20 22:58:48	maerwald	I already have the hie server output, I don't see what the client logs help with
2020-01-20 22:58:57	maerwald	the output is the same on any output
2020-01-20 22:59:00	maerwald	*client
2020-01-20 23:00:05	fendor	I am sorry, I meant the server logs. I said "from vscode" because you can see the server logs in one of the output panels
2020-01-20 23:00:30	maerwald	the server log is in the issue
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2020-01-20 23:00:42	maerwald	or at least the response
2020-01-20 23:01:24	maerwald	how do I show the server log in vscode?
2020-01-20 23:02:46	fendor	bottom left, there is a button to open all these panels, like the terminal
2020-01-20 23:03:16	fendor	then go to "OUTPUT" panel, and select "Haskell HIE" output
2020-01-20 23:03:27	fendor	did you start hie in debug mode?
2020-01-20 23:04:01	maerwald	how
2020-01-20 23:04:48	maerwald	I'm not starting hie at all, vscode does :)
2020-01-20 23:04:58	fendor	in the settings you can set the verbosity of hie "Language Server Haskell > Trace : Server" and set it to verbose
2020-01-20 23:05:03	fendor	I know
2020-01-20 23:05:34	fendor	or you can define a custom hie-wrapper that invokes the right hie version and supply the debug flags you need
2020-01-20 23:06:25	maerwald	nothing useful in the logs
2020-01-20 23:06:47	fendor	you mean they are empty or what?
2020-01-20 23:07:31	maerwald	https://gist.github.com/hasufell/80a4227069787d7f74a38f48c0455242
2020-01-20 23:07:41	maerwald	same result as already shown in vim
2020-01-20 23:07:59	fendor	thanks gonna look at them in a minute, gotta pick someone up from the train
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2020-01-20 23:50:02	fendor	maerwald, can reproduce with your project
2020-01-20 23:50:45	maerwald	odd
2020-01-20 23:51:16	fendor	why odd?
2020-01-20 23:54:14	fendor	alright, wait, the function I looked at had actually no documentation
2020-01-20 23:56:57	maerwald	yes, I think sometimes autocompletion resolves to a function from a different name than the one in "hover" action
2020-01-20 23:57:24	maerwald	although the name is same, one will show docs, the other not (I think this might be due to re-exports even)
2020-01-20 23:59:45	fendor	actually, I see some discrepancy between your logs and mine, e.g. for `createDirectory`
2020-01-20 23:59:55	fendor	I see way more documentation and sources
2020-01-21 00:01:49	fendor	are your logs on the clean project or did you modify something? I am asking because the position of the hover request is different for `createDirectory` by one line
2020-01-21 00:02:16	fendor	no normal
2020-01-21 00:02:35	fendor	I just hovered over a slightly different line
2020-01-21 00:10:21	maerwald	maybe
2020-01-21 00:13:08	fendor	what does `newTypeCmd` do? Obtain the most concrete type?
2020-01-21 00:13:26	fendor	probably something like that
2020-01-21 00:15:21	Ericson2314	where is that reflex upsweep again that someone was telling me about here?
2020-01-21 00:47:21	fendor	maerwald, you have both a hoogle db and locally built haddock, right?
2020-01-21 00:47:42	maerwald	when I ran the original tests yes
2020-01-21 00:47:58	fendor	the same behaviour without a hoogle db, right?
2020-01-21 00:49:21	fendor	just to check that I am not chasing down the wrong path
2020-01-21 00:51:31	fendor	there is no hoogle query in the logs, so that should be fine
2020-01-21 00:54:36	fendor	it looks like the function `getDocsForName` doesnt give anything
2020-01-21 01:23:18	mpickering	Ericson2314: I don't think it exists
2020-01-21 01:24:21	fendor_	maerwald, would you mind trying this branch: https://github.com/fendor/haskell-ide-engine/tree/debug-hover I added a bunch of debug output in the hopes of finding something
2020-01-21 01:26:37	maerwald	I'll try
2020-01-21 01:27:25	fendor	thanks!
2020-01-21 01:27:39	maerwald	fails to build
2020-01-21 01:28:04	fendor	interesting
2020-01-21 01:28:34	maerwald	https://gist.github.com/hasufell/a427aa2c8e18d60908673cced2f2f588
2020-01-21 01:29:18	fendor	that looks unrelated to my changes
2020-01-21 01:29:45	maerwald	no idea
2020-01-21 01:30:23	fendor	well, whatever, you can just install hie normally and make sure it is on the path and maybe rename it to have the right suffix
2020-01-21 01:30:59	maerwald	what do you mean install normally?
2020-01-21 01:31:28	fendor	`cabal install exe:hie --installdir /home/.../.cabal/bin --overwrite-policy=always`
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2020-01-21 01:32:55	maerwald	there's still an internal error
2020-01-21 01:33:30	maerwald	cabal seems to be broken... awesome
2020-01-21 01:33:46	fendor	wanna try stack? :)
2020-01-21 01:33:53	maerwald	no
2020-01-21 01:34:13	Ericson2314	@mpickering thanks. As in something was thinking of doing that and didn't, or as in you've never heard of such a thing?
2020-01-21 01:35:10	fendor	is the store broken or is cleaning dist-newstyle enough?
2020-01-21 01:36:59	maerwald	if the store is broken then the entire nix-style builds are broken and we should revert to sandboxes
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2020-01-21 01:38:15	maerwald	yeah, can't test it
2020-01-21 01:52:16	fendor	well there could be a bug in the implementation for the store
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2020-01-21 01:58:36	fendor	I think we had some similar issues with an updated version of cabal-plan 
2020-01-21 02:02:59	jneira	> if the store is broken then the entire nix-style builds are broken and we should revert to sandboxes
2020-01-21 02:03:05	jneira	:-D
2020-01-21 02:03:18	jneira	v1 is the new v3 :-P
2020-01-21 02:05:06	maerwald	sandboxes are superior in many ways
2020-01-21 02:05:43	maerwald	if they were not that abandoned and had proper cabal.project support, I would still use them
2020-01-21 02:07:05	mpickering	Ericson2314: I tried to get Zubin to do it but it never got going
2020-01-21 02:07:32	mpickering	I would try modifying ghcide, Neil claims you can modify one module to do it but I'm skeptical
2020-01-21 02:40:05	Ericson2314	mpickering: I am curious what you are doing with reflex-process :)
2020-01-21 02:40:38	Ericson2314	per your response, ghcide reimplements dowsweep?
2020-01-21 02:42:30	Ericson2314	*upsweep
2020-01-21 02:42:32	mpickering	yeah
2020-01-21 02:42:51	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/reflex-ghcide
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2020-01-21 02:50:16	Ericson2314	mpickering: awesome!
2020-01-21 02:50:35	mpickering	my issue now is making a vty application which doesn't look like crap
2020-01-21 02:51:58	Ericson2314	Unfortunately i haven't used reflex-vty yet so  I cannot offer specific advise
2020-01-21 02:53:10	maerwald	fendor: so the build issue is a hie issue
2020-01-21 03:32:21	fendor	maerwald, ok and why? what happened?
2020-01-21 03:32:46	maerwald	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1580#issuecomment-576429807 ?
2020-01-21 03:35:57	fendor	so the build is just broken for cabal?
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2020-01-21 03:38:02	fendor	even after rebase on current master, the build still works for me?
2020-01-21 03:38:18	fendor	and the error message in CI is different, too
2020-01-21 03:51:26	fendor	moreover, if Cabal is throwing an error and we are not even a custom build, it looks more like a cabal bug to me
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2020-01-21 16:12:33	fendor	mpickering, when you got time, can I ask your opinion on https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/119? Not a code review, just if you agree with jneira_ 
2020-01-21 16:14:05	mpickering	What is my opinion for?
2020-01-21 16:14:18	mpickering	I'm not sure about defining these predicates on strings
2020-01-21 16:16:07	mpickering	Perhaps instead there should be a data type with an "Other" field for things we don't know about
2020-01-21 16:16:18	fendor	for Config or Cradle?
2020-01-21 16:16:35	mpickering	I have paged out all the precise details now
2020-01-21 16:16:49	fendor	That would be my next pr, extending Config to have a `Other Value` value field
2020-01-21 16:17:38	mpickering	or `Other a` might be more convenient to deal with
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2020-01-21 16:18:12	fendor	true, bikeshedding for now though.
2020-01-21 16:18:33	fendor	So you dont like the predicates or you dont like how they work?
2020-01-21 16:19:54	fendor	and you would rather suggest to change the field `actionName :: String` to something like `data ActionName = Stack | Cabal | .. | Other String` or `data ActionName a = Stack | Cabal | .. | Other a`?
2020-01-21 16:20:18	mpickering	yeah, is there a problem with that?
2020-01-21 16:20:31	fendor	no, just asking
2020-01-21 16:20:52	fendor	will be a breaking change, but that's fine, imo
2020-01-21 16:21:20	fendor	If we have `ActionName a`, it will lead to `Cradle a`, too, right?
2020-01-21 16:22:57	mpickering	yeah, it's just a thought to see if it works nicely
2020-01-21 16:23:19	mpickering	As it might be quite inconvenient to deal with if you can't map the `Cradle Value` into a `Cradle MyType`
2020-01-21 16:23:47	mpickering	Your patch already looks like it improves the situation
2020-01-21 16:23:54	mpickering	Also Luke's patch as well and the permissions patch
2020-01-21 16:23:56	mpickering	all should get merged
2020-01-21 16:24:02	mpickering	but I'm just paged out on all of this 
2020-01-21 16:24:20	fendor	I am not sold on Luke's patch since it renders the hie.yaml meaningless for cabal
2020-01-21 16:24:48	fendor	ok, I just didnt feel confident enough to merge without you at least saying `LGTM`
2020-01-21 16:25:06	mpickering	if you wait for me then you will find yourself blocked a lot
2020-01-21 16:25:41	fendor	well, I will wait for you with architectural changes and act independently in other PR's, would that be fine?
2020-01-21 16:25:49	mpickering	yeah
2020-01-21 16:26:11	mpickering	I want to help as much as possible but have to concentrate on other stuff atm
2020-01-21 16:26:19	fendor	That is fine
2020-01-21 16:26:38	fendor	I think I can handle it
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2020-01-21 16:51:49	sicklork1n	I updated hie recently (using coc+nvim) and now I can't get hie to work. 
2020-01-21 16:52:56	sicklork1n	I'm using stack and using hie-8.6.5.
2020-01-21 16:55:02	sicklork1n	cocinfo reports "Module "/my/proj/path/File.hs" is loaded by Cradle: etc etc (this file doesn't exist) and immedately the conn to the server closes and says Server will not be restarted..
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2020-01-21 16:57:53	sicklork1n	adding an explicit hie.yaml doesn't work
2020-01-21 17:08:29	jneira_	what hie command are executing the editor? has the `--lsp`option?
2020-01-21 17:23:49	maerwald	sicklork1n: how is your coc.nvim experience? It regularly freezes my entire editor.
2020-01-21 17:24:42	sicklork1n	very good.. the issues w/freezing my editor were due to *optimistic* defaults
2020-01-21 17:25:24	maerwald	what does that mean
2020-01-21 17:26:44	sicklork1n	maerwald: i'm pasting my config
2020-01-21 17:26:49	sicklork1n	1 sec
2020-01-21 17:36:13	sicklork1n	https://pastebin.com/index/J8weQHRX
2020-01-21 17:38:27	sicklork1n	maerwald: if you find your editor freezing i found autoTrigger to be one contributor - also enablePreview was 'causing loads off issues..
2020-01-21 17:38:52	sicklork1n	    "diagnostic.refreshOnInsertMode": false,                                    
2020-01-21 17:41:45	sicklork1n	Right, so after updating hie recently i can't get it to work.
2020-01-21 17:42:08	sicklork1n	anything obvious come to mind?
2020-01-21 17:42:54	sicklork1n	jneira_: should I pass --lsp flag? I had never done this before
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2020-01-21 18:07:40	jneira_	it was not neccessary for a while but now it is, without flag it only prints debug info about the project and exists (so you can run it in console in the projet root dir)
2020-01-21 18:07:52	jneira_	sicklork1n ^^
2020-01-21 18:08:02	jneira_	*exits
2020-01-21 18:17:06	maerwald	I have a suspicion that HIE is what messed up the cabal store.
2020-01-21 18:18:30	fendor	maerwald, why would HIE do that?
2020-01-21 18:18:38	fendor	or how?
2020-01-21 18:18:47	maerwald	because there are multiple cabals running at the same time, potentially
2020-01-21 18:19:04	fendor	I think the problem is related to internal libraries that c-h uses
2020-01-21 18:19:19	fendor	you mean concurrently building projects leads to the problem?
2020-01-21 18:20:15	maerwald	maybe
2020-01-21 18:20:29	maerwald	this problem never happened in 2 years of using cabal v2
2020-01-21 18:20:36	maerwald	only since HIE and it seems HIE devs run into it regularly
2020-01-21 18:20:49	fendor	no, not regurarly, we encountered it since a week
2020-01-21 18:21:12	fendor	or maybe two
2020-01-21 18:21:33	fendor	And the error message jneira_ and I have seen look like a cabal bug
2020-01-21 18:22:38	jneira_	i've hit the store problem building cabal-helper standalone so ...
2020-01-21 18:23:04	jneira_	building it and installing afterwards (but not always)
2020-01-21 18:23:31	jneira_	with `cabal install --lib`
2020-01-21 18:23:34	arrowsvc_	https://stackoverflow.com/q/59833705/637669
2020-01-21 18:24:33	jneira_	the trigger is if the package has a private lib, and it is not frequent
2020-01-21 18:28:20	fendor	arrowsvc_, are you the author of that issue?
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2020-01-21 18:31:29	arrowsvc_	Nope, just sharing relevant questions and case anyone is interested.
2020-01-21 18:33:03	fendor	arrowsvc_, while I would be up for helping, no logs makes it very difficult to help
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2020-01-21 23:22:16	fendor	lukelau, ping
2020-01-21 23:29:21	fendor	ok, sorry, I have to go sooner than I expected
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2020-01-22 00:33:27	tabaqui1	hie and all dependent libraries work perfectly fine with haskell-src-exts-1.23.0
2020-01-22 00:33:45	tabaqui1	are we waiting for something else to update?
2020-01-22 00:34:23	tabaqui1	because hse-1.21 doesn't support some new ghc features like BlockArguments, which is really usefull
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2020-01-22 04:42:25	sicklork1n	maerwald: are you using 8.8? i just had another person tell me coc.nvim is super slow now, but still works.
2020-01-22 04:42:33	maerwald	8.6.5
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2020-01-22 14:51:26	mpickering	cocreature: How does the diagnostics calculation in ghcide work? I have loaded a whole component in, then if I "open" file A which depends on B I get diagnostics for A and B it seems when they are modified. If I edit C which isn't depended on by A, no diagnostics are reported
2020-01-22 14:52:47	mpickering	Is there some disadvantage to "opening" every file? I'm afraid there is not a great way to discover what "every file" means though
2020-01-22 15:01:08	cocreature	mpickering: the open files are what we try to typecheck. you’ll get diagnostics for all files in their transitive closure
2020-01-22 15:01:47	cocreature	opening every file should be fine but is ofc slower and more memory hungry than just opening a single file if that single file doesn’t pull in everything
2020-01-22 15:06:24	mpickering	can I do something like not advertise hover requests to stop a typemap being generated for example?
2020-01-22 15:06:28	mpickering	or is that already lazy?
2020-01-22 15:06:39	cocreature	that should be lazy
2020-01-22 15:06:59	cocreature	the only thing that we do implicitely is typechecking
2020-01-22 15:07:13	mpickering	I will try opening every file then 
2020-01-22 15:09:14	cocreature	"kick" is what triggers the implicit typechecking https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/blob/master/exe/Main.hs#L156
2020-01-22 15:12:52	mpickering	so what gets kept in memory for each open file?
2020-01-22 15:13:29	mpickering	Pepe seemed to think there were some space usage issues
2020-01-22 15:13:45	cocreature	the result of all shake rules triggered by that file, so the typechecked module and all other rules triggered as dependencies of that
2020-01-22 15:14:32	cocreature	space usage is definitely high but so far it seemed somewhat in the same ballpark as GHCi so I’m not sure how much we can do here.
2020-01-22 15:15:00	cocreature	and profiling never revealed anything useful to me but that might just be me being unable to get useful information out of space profiles
2020-01-22 15:15:31	mpickering	ok I am interested to look into it with pepe at the weekend
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2020-01-22 18:57:24	fendor	jneira, do you have an idea to fix the build of https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1577?
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2020-01-22 19:20:36	jneira_	Not much time lately: i am fighting with a grails application :-(
2020-01-22 19:23:56	fendor	jneira_, sorry, dont mean to pressure/annoy you! have fun with grails :D  
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2020-01-22 21:57:38	sim590	How can I know if the version of hie-wrapper that is running is using the same stack installation that I run when I do `stack install "some package"`. I'm trying to find out because even though I do "stack install thepackage" (which exits with code 0, but no output), hie tells me that the package is not installed...
2020-01-22 21:58:37	fendor	sim590, what are you trying to do and what does not work?
2020-01-22 21:59:07	sim590	sorry. I read the message too quickly. It's complaining about the profiling libraries not installed.
2020-01-22 21:59:23	sim590	So I guess that I need to install profiling libraries for that package.
2020-01-22 21:59:45	fendor	sim590, again, it would be interesting what you are trying to do?
2020-01-22 22:01:13	sim590	I'm just trying to get rid of an error message about hie not finding Data.List.Split profiling libraries.
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2020-01-22 22:01:57	fendor	sim590, why does it try to find profiling libraries? 0.o
2020-01-22 22:01:58	sim590	The message doesn't occur when editing a file outside my project. So it's about the profiling configuration that I have in my cabal file.
2020-01-22 22:02:13	sim590	Because I have enabled profiling in my cabal configuration.
2020-01-22 22:02:39	fendor	you *never* have to use "stack install" to find a library
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2020-01-22 22:04:03	sim590	Everytime that I use a new package, I have to install it twice. Once with cabal for enabling it in ghci and once with stack for enabling it in hie. That's a bit of a pain.
2020-01-22 22:04:41	sim590	But, that's what I do to make it work. Hence why I was talking about stack. But, here the issue seems to only be related to my cabal file.
2020-01-22 22:06:23	fendor	sim590, that is weird. are you using a project or how are you using hie?
2020-01-22 22:08:34	sim590	fendor: I'm using a project now, but not always.
2020-01-22 22:08:58	fendor	sim590, in a project, you definitely dont have to do `stack isntall`
2020-01-22 22:11:16	sim590	fendor: I figured. That's why I said that it is about my cabal file. When I'm not in a cabal project, however, I use stack install since it seems like hie doesn't use the same pacakge database as ghci.
2020-01-22 22:12:01	fendor	that depends. hie should normally not use stack's package database either
2020-01-22 22:12:22	fendor	are you just opening single files? Or stack scripts?
2020-01-22 22:13:42	sim590	I have never used stack scripts.
2020-01-22 22:13:52	sim590	Only cabal projects or single files
2020-01-22 22:15:36	fendor	with cabal projects, it shouldnt be a problem, eithter
2020-01-22 22:15:46	fendor	*either
2020-01-22 22:17:58	sim590	Ok. hie seems to be using cabal "new-style" and therefore it's not using my sandbox or something.
2020-01-22 22:18:14	sim590	My sandbox is in oldstyle
2020-01-22 22:20:36	sim590	haskell package system is a nightmare.
2020-01-22 22:23:46	sim590	is it because I compiled hie with version number 8.6.5 ?
2020-01-22 22:25:47	fendor	sim590, no, we essentially dropped support for sandboxes
2020-01-22 22:28:25	mpickering	Sandboxes could be supported but they are deprecated by cabal
2020-01-22 22:31:31	fendor	mpickering, iirc cabal-helper can no longer identify a cabal v1- project
2020-01-22 22:53:43	fendor	> /run/user/1000/bios-wrapper8241-0: line 13: : command not found 
2020-01-22 22:53:50	fendor	lol, dont know what happened
2020-01-22 22:56:10	mpickering	interesting..
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2020-01-22 23:23:53	alanz	jneira, fendor : what is the way forward with https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1588 now?
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2020-01-22 23:31:50	jneira	alanz: after merge it?
2020-01-22 23:32:18	alanz	thats what I thought too. So I will push the button?
2020-01-22 23:38:00	jneira	:+1:
2020-01-22 23:39:35	alanz	done
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2020-01-22 23:46:04	jneira	i added a comment about next steps: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1143#issuecomment-576886100
2020-01-22 23:47:27	alanz	:+1:
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2020-01-23 01:23:37	maerwald	sicklork1n: your paste expired lol
2020-01-23 01:24:22	maerwald	mpickering: sandboxes are not deprecated
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2020-01-23 01:47:46	jneira	maerwald: they *still* are not but https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/6445  
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2020-01-23 05:48:04	mpickering	Anyone familiar with the logic behind how vscode shows progress reports?
2020-01-23 05:48:35	mpickering	I'm wondering what happens if you send interspersed progress updates
2020-01-23 05:48:40	mpickering	which one it displays
2020-01-23 05:52:28	mpickering	seems that clients can request progress updates on certain tasks - https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specification#initiatingWorkDoneProgress
2020-01-23 05:52:32	mpickering	pretty sure we don't support that?
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2020-01-23 15:21:49	jneira_	amazing test performance improvement, fendor
2020-01-23 15:22:33	fendor	jneira_, thx, I mean, I am the one who initially wrote them and introduced them in the first place :D 
2020-01-23 15:23:16	jneira_	and we've  lost almost nothing
2020-01-23 15:23:54	jneira_	i have a patch over azure builds almost done
2020-01-23 15:24:12	fendor	the tests are actually more thourogh now, since we are also testing import of types.
2020-01-23 15:24:57	jneira_	with linux+cabal+ghc-8.8.1 (and maybe (win/linux)+cabal+ghc-8.8.2) 
2020-01-23 15:25:04	fendor	nice and I am planning a hie-bios release. If possible, before the next hie release
2020-01-23 15:27:18	jneira_	i think stack will switch to ghc-8.8.2 soon and they aren't going to release a lts with ghc-8.8.1
2020-01-23 15:27:30	jneira_	cause it is broken for windows
2020-01-23 15:28:01	jneira_	but we can try using cabal now
2020-01-23 15:28:22	fendor	ah ok
2020-01-23 15:28:28	fendor	then feel free to close the issue
2020-01-23 15:29:07	jneira_	well we can keep ghc-8.8.1 for cabal/macos
2020-01-23 15:29:44	jneira_	and use the last stack nightly with ghc-8.8.1 while it works 
2020-01-23 15:30:06	fendor	if you think that is fine, sure! 
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2020-01-23 16:36:19	jneira_	it seems mistuke/tamar is not around here, right?
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2020-01-23 17:29:40	jneira_	build with cabal and ghc-8.8.2 in linux failed:
2020-01-23 17:29:45	--	fenedor is now known as fendor
2020-01-23 17:29:48	jneira_	src/Haddock/Convert.hs:621:39: error:    • Variable not in scope: injectiveVarsOfBinder :: TyConBinder -> FV    • Perhaps you meant ‘injectiveVarsOfType’ (imported from TyCoRep)    |621 |                            mapUnionFV injectiveVarsOfBinder dropped_binders    |                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^cabal: Failed
2020-01-23 17:29:48	jneira_	to build haddock-api-2.23.0. See the build log above fordetails.
2020-01-23 17:32:33	jneira_	too much optimistic :-P
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2020-01-23 20:55:17	cocreature	mpickering: is there a slack or something to sync up on dinner tomorrow for people that are already there?
2020-01-23 21:17:48	mpickering	cocreature: There's not yet. I can set something up
2020-01-23 21:18:00	mpickering	Using slack seems a bit heavyweight 
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2020-01-23 22:57:51	mpickering	https://bristolhaskell.zulipchat.com/join/uahkktr4vbd5e2ovg369t616/
2020-01-23 23:08:21	cocreature	thanks!
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2020-01-23 23:11:36	mpickering	You can reply to the "friday plans" message with your intention
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2020-01-23 23:38:40	alanz	mpickering, *another* comms thing. Zulip.
2020-01-23 23:38:58	alanz	why not just an IRC channel?
2020-01-23 23:45:06	 *	alanz signs up for zulip
2020-01-23 23:45:54	cocreature	zurihac pretty consistently got feedback that irc is rather off-putting for people that are not used to it. given that the Haskell community is already bad at attracting a diverse crowd of people, I’m very much in favor of not putting more barrier in their way. and ignoring community issues, having a message history is just really helpful for organizing stuff
2020-01-23 23:47:04	alanz	yes, I understand that. And signed up for zulip. And a few days ago joined the discourse instance. Seems to be proliferating
2020-01-23 23:47:37	alanz	And IRC is a pain to set up. I eventually paid for irccloud to simplify bouncer stuff
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2020-01-24 00:19:16	mpickering	tbh I have never used zulip before today
2020-01-24 00:19:25	mpickering	first time for everything
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2020-01-24 00:45:29	maerwald	cocreature: that's odd, there are so many clients, including web clients
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2020-01-24 01:57:38	jneira	yeah, i am using kiwiirc.com and i dont miss gitter nor slack (and my laptop ram neither :-P)
2020-01-24 02:01:12	fendor	I am using slack, mattermost, now zulip (so I can follow the bristol hackathon), discord, discourse and irc via hexchat :)
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2020-01-24 02:17:44	maerwald	more tools for the same thing please
2020-01-24 02:17:58	maerwald	IRC is already a time sink :P
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2020-01-24 21:12:11	Gurkenglas	What IDE do you currently recommend on Windows with hie?
2020-01-24 21:13:02	fendor	Gurkenglas, whenever I write on windows, which is very rare, I am using vscode
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2020-01-24 21:28:37	Gurkenglas	Does hie have a duplicate code detector (in the works)?
2020-01-24 21:29:20	fendor	Gurkenglas, only hlint
2020-01-24 21:34:36	Gurkenglas	I'm thinking "Take the entire Syntax forest of the project, take its list of subtrees, and find a tree template that is as large as possible and matches as many subtrees as possible in order to suggest a new function to introduce."
2020-01-24 21:36:38	Gurkenglas	How would I tell the existing API to give me the list of subtrees?
2020-01-24 21:44:45	Gurkenglas	Do we have a "Lens' HaskellSyntaxTree GHCCoreSyntaxTree" so I can implement a refactorer for GHCCore and it'll work on Haskell?
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2020-01-24 21:47:23	michaelpj	that implies you have a way to run the desugarer in reverse, which there definitely isn't
2020-01-24 21:48:01	michaelpj	Gurkenglas: you want to write something that uses the GHC api. In that respect it's not particularly HIE-specific: if you could write such a thing you could probably incorporate it into HIE
2020-01-24 21:48:06	michaelpj	you might also want to look at HaRE
2020-01-24 21:50:16	Gurkenglas	"which there definitely isn't" <- one could still hope that changes that only touch some parts of the syntax tree will only "destructively" desugar that part
2020-01-24 21:53:27	michaelpj	I'm not really sure what you mean by that. If you've got Core you can't resugar back to surface syntax, doesn't help you only touch some of it
2020-01-24 21:58:10	Gurkenglas	I'm just a math guy with dreams :). It seems like good practice to equip every API-breaking library patch with a script that turns code that uses the old library version into code that uses the new library version. The same way, it would be good practice to equip every transpiler with a lens. Seemed to make sense to ask.
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2020-01-25 03:39:38	maerwald	lol, hie-wrapper now exits without a proper error and keeps trying to spawn cabal-helper forever
2020-01-25 03:44:27	maerwald	https://gist.github.com/hasufell/0db965347ff9a272b78c3efa0ba881ab
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2020-01-25 04:06:24	fendor	maerwald, is hie-wrapper maybe crashing and the used plugin keeps respawning the process?
2020-01-25 04:06:39	maerwald	I don't know
2020-01-25 04:07:17	fendor	if the project context can not be configured, e.g. bad build plan, then this happens
2020-01-25 04:07:40	maerwald	ghcide works fine
2020-01-25 04:07:43	fendor	you can try executing `hie -d` in the project to see if something happens
2020-01-25 04:08:25	maerwald	hie: panic! planPackages.mkPackage: Got non-unpacked package src!
2020-01-25 04:08:52	fendor	I suppose, because of `-l` there is some output on stderr, while the rest is in /home/jule/lang-server.log
2020-01-25 04:09:10	fendor	well, is it working if you are using the same hie.yaml? 
2020-01-25 04:09:52	maerwald	hie.yaml?
2020-01-25 04:10:01	fendor	you said ghcide is working, right?
2020-01-25 04:10:04	maerwald	yes
2020-01-25 04:10:11	fendor	dont you need a `hie.yaml` in your project root
2020-01-25 04:10:11	fendor	?
2020-01-25 04:10:13	maerwald	no
2020-01-25 04:10:16	fendor	hm.
2020-01-25 04:10:19	fendor	Didnt know that
2020-01-25 04:10:36	fendor	however, ghcide and hie can be configured with a hie.yaml file
2020-01-25 04:11:20	fendor	if github/my internet wasnt that slow I would send a link
2020-01-25 04:11:31	fendor	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#project-configuration
2020-01-25 04:11:38	fendor	https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios
2020-01-25 04:12:06	maerwald	I never had a hie.yaml and I don't need one
2020-01-25 04:12:22	fendor	If you specify an explicit `hie.yaml` file, the mechanism for loading the project is different
2020-01-25 04:12:32	maerwald	I just want to know why hie is crashing
2020-01-25 04:12:45	fendor	is there some longer error message or can you describe the project set-up?
2020-01-25 04:12:53	maerwald	there is no more error message
2020-01-25 04:14:45	maerwald	project is at https://gogs.hasufell.de/hasufell/ghcup-hs
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2020-01-25 04:17:12	fendor	ok, looks normal
2020-01-25 04:17:56	fendor	trying to build it
2020-01-25 04:35:25	fendor	ok, seems like my nix trips me up
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2020-01-25 14:36:43	lukelau	greetings from bristol
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2020-01-25 19:32:38	lukelau	fendor jneira: alanz is about to upload some plans on the future of hie+ghcide!
2020-01-25 19:32:50	lukelau	we’ve got a think tank going on over here at the hackathon
2020-01-25 19:33:12	jneira	great!
2020-01-25 19:34:17	jneira	it is fantastic to see colaboration between both projects
2020-01-25 19:45:36	alanz	see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1416#issuecomment-578409687
2020-01-25 19:46:32	alanz	pretty woolly at this stage, the main things we know is that hie-bios is already common, the demand-driven approach in ghcide is a killer feature, and we need a standardised way to manage plugins.
2020-01-25 19:47:07	alanz	And there should be a place we can all work, not it being separate activities, there is too much to do, no point having separate operations
2020-01-25 19:50:04	jneira	:+100: 
2020-01-25 19:56:49	infinisil	Awesome!
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2020-01-25 20:12:00	fendor	cool!
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2020-01-25 21:00:07	Rembane	\o/
2020-01-25 21:04:29	mpickering	fendor: Chris Done added this new command to stack
2020-01-25 21:05:12	mpickering	https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/tree/add-stack-ide-bios-cmd
2020-01-25 21:06:13	fendor	mpickering, will this replace the hie-bios `stack repl` hack?
2020-01-25 21:06:50	mpickering	at least it will augment it
2020-01-25 21:07:11	mpickering	You still need it to get the options
2020-01-25 21:07:22	mpickering	But it's possible to map from a filepath to a component now
2020-01-25 21:10:36	fendor	ok that makes at least the MultiStack config superfluous
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2020-01-25 21:23:55	maerwald	after a lot of testing... coc.nvim is really not a good choice
2020-01-25 21:25:13	maerwald	lots of broken process handling code that keeps spawning things
2020-01-25 21:27:10	fendor	for hie or in general?
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2020-01-25 21:28:36	maerwald	in general
2020-01-25 21:28:52	maerwald	the rust coc plugin tried to crash my deskop
2020-01-25 21:29:18	fendor	damn, I wanted to give it a try once I stabilised my existing nvim plugins :(
2020-01-25 21:29:57	maerwald	https://github.com/fannheyward/coc-rust-analyzer/issues/113
2020-01-25 21:30:16	maerwald	and with hie, it may try to spawn processes indefinitely: https://github.com/neoclide/coc.nvim/issues/1494
2020-01-25 21:30:33	maerwald	LanguageClient-neovim seems to work better
2020-01-25 21:30:45	maerwald	Just has a little less traction I guess, but no broken js code
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2020-01-25 21:32:26	maerwald	I guess it's not that common to think of programming as a way to control the resources of the user
2020-01-25 21:33:08	maerwald	Could just buy more ram or hope the OOM killer works (it doesn't)
2020-01-25 21:34:16	maerwald	Odd thing is... CodeLens in LanguageClient-neovim doesn't seem to work, although it was merged not long ago https://github.com/autozimu/LanguageClient-neovim/pull/935
2020-01-25 21:35:01	maerwald	I get "No handler for Object"
2020-01-25 21:36:17	fendor	What is codeLens? 
2020-01-25 21:37:50	maerwald	https://github.com/microsoft/language-server-protocol/blob/master/versions/protocol-2-x.md#textDocument_codeLens
2020-01-25 21:37:51	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/ide
2020-01-25 21:39:08	maerwald	[LC] [Error] haskell-lsp:no handler for. Object (fromList [("jsonrpc",String "2.0"),("params",Object (fromList [("textDocument",Object (fromList [("uri",String "file:///home/jule/git/ghcup-hs/lib/GHCup.hs")]))])),("method",String "textDocument/codeLens"),("id",Number 2.0)])
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2020-01-25 21:41:35	fendor	maybe hie doesnt support codelens and doesnt properly declare it?
2020-01-25 21:41:55	maerwald	this is an object sent from hie
2020-01-25 21:44:09	fendor	welp, no idea
2020-01-25 21:44:25	lukelau	maerwald: that is sent from the client no?
2020-01-25 21:44:39	lukelau	codelens requests are made by the client
2020-01-25 21:44:42	maerwald	ah
2020-01-25 21:44:58	maerwald	then that makes sense
2020-01-25 21:45:18	lukelau	haskell-ide-engine doesn’t declare support for codelens though. or it shouldn’t though. will take a quick look
2020-01-25 21:45:49	alanz	If we don't register a handler it wont be supported
2020-01-25 21:47:03	lukelau	Yeah just checked an initialize response: 
2020-01-25 21:47:04	lukelau	<--2--{"result":{"capabilities":{"typeDefinitionProvider":true,"foldingRangeProvider":false,"textDocumentSync":{"openClose":true,"change":2,"willSave":false,"willSaveWaitUntil":false,"save":{"includeText":false}},"workspace":{},"implementationProvider":true,"documentRangeFormattingProvider":true,"documentHighlightProvider":true,"executeCommandProvider":{"commands":["57600:applyrefact:applyOne","57600:applyrefact:applyAll","57600:gene
2020-01-25 21:47:05	lukelau	eric:type","57600:ghcmod:check","57600:ghcmod:type","57600:ghcmod:casesplit","57600:hsimport:import","57600:package:add","57600:pragmas:addPragma"]},"renameProvider":false,"colorProvider":false,"definitionProvider":true,"hoverProvider":true,"codeActionProvider":true,"completionProvider":{"triggerCharacters":["."],"resolveProvider":true},"documentSymbolProvider":true,"documentFormattingProvider":true,"referencesProvider":true}},"jsonr
2020-01-25 21:47:06	lukelau	pc":"2.0","id":0}
2020-01-25 21:47:06	lukelau	sorry for the vomit
2020-01-25 21:47:31	lukelau	doesn’t seem to be a codelens capability there. might be an issue with languageclient-neovim then
2020-01-25 21:48:25	lukelau	fendor: for this hackathon I want to take a look at improving hie-bios’ implicit cradle discovery
2020-01-25 21:48:51	lukelau	since the current architecture of hie-bios -> hie -> cabal-helper -> hie -> hie-bios is a bit weird
2020-01-25 21:49:19	lukelau	I thought it would make sense to move as much of the logic in hie-plugin-api/../cradle.hs into hie-bios
2020-01-25 21:49:37	lukelau	But I’m trying out the hie-bios implicit cradle discovery, and now with that cabal cradle patch and it seems to be working well
2020-01-25 21:49:44	lukelau	on cabal projects at least anyway
2020-01-25 21:49:53	lukelau	it’s able to load hie ok and hie-plugin-api nested inside
2020-01-25 21:52:49	alanz	dxld ping
2020-01-25 21:54:44	fendor	lukelau, ok, I added a way to hook into the `hie.yaml` specification, see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1601 for how I thought it could look like 
2020-01-25 21:59:34	lukelau	fendor: +1
2020-01-25 22:01:15	fendor	not sure how you are going to move stuff from Cradle.hs into hie-bios, though, since in Cradle.hs, there is mostly stuff for cabal-helper
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2020-01-25 22:20:58	maerwald	floating windows in neovim... https://files.gitter.im/neovim/neovim/8rAI/Screenshot_2020-01-25_17-21-10.png lol
2020-01-25 22:21:39	fendor	looks like it doesnt like markdown?
2020-01-25 22:21:57	maerwald	that too, but the bigger problem is it covers the entire screen lol
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2020-01-25 22:25:26	fendor	hehe, easy solution: get a bigger screen
2020-01-25 22:25:47	maerwald	yes and more ram
2020-01-25 22:26:09	maerwald	Soon my popups will span into my kitchen :>
2020-01-25 22:26:34	maerwald	while I cook eggs on the GHC heater
2020-01-25 22:28:36	fendor	that is actually a nice idea, no heating required when compiling haskell
2020-01-25 22:28:56	maerwald	In russia, people heat their homes with haskell
2020-01-25 22:29:28	arrowsvc_	True.
2020-01-25 22:29:33	 *	arrowsvc_ is compiling 8.8.2 right now
2020-01-25 22:30:38	fendor	nix and haskell are perfect to warm up your feet in the cold days
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2020-01-25 23:15:05	dxld	alanz: what's up?
2020-01-25 23:16:33	alanz	dxld: things are moving on the ghcide/hie integration front. See https://github.com/haskell/ide/issues/1
2020-01-25 23:16:49	alanz	Implicit configuration is cabal-helper
2020-01-25 23:17:30	dxld	ah the hackaton is today, isn't it?
2020-01-25 23:21:33	alanz	dxld: also, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1416#issuecomment-578409687
2020-01-25 23:22:09	alanz	Yes. We all stood around a whiteboard and discussed ways of doing things
2020-01-25 23:23:04	alanz	And the projects complement each other, and makes sense to merge, via a new top level project 
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2020-01-26 15:28:28	lukelau	fendor: my aim is to share as much of our implicit cradle stuff by getting it into hie-bios so it eventually goes into ghcide and haskell/ide in the end
2020-01-26 15:32:24	lukelau	oh nvm hes not online
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2020-01-26 16:56:40	alanz	lukelau, fendor is about now
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2020-01-26 16:58:12	lukelau	fenedor: ping
2020-01-26 16:58:28	fenedor	lukelau, pong
2020-01-26 16:59:11	lukelau	fenedor: im currently ironing out the kinks in that implict cradle test pr
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2020-01-26 16:59:36	lukelau	but I opened a new one pr too for having hie-bios “stop searching” for hie.yaml files upwards
2020-01-26 16:59:41	lukelau	should be useful for testing
2020-01-26 16:59:49	lukelau	thoughts?
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2020-01-26 17:01:44	fendor	lukelau, looks good
2020-01-26 17:03:29	fendor	the stack.yaml's resolver needs to be based on the ghc version, right?
2020-01-26 17:06:11	lukelau	which ghc version?
2020-01-26 17:06:19	lukelau	the one used to build the project during ci?
2020-01-26 17:06:23	fendor	yeah
2020-01-26 17:06:34	fendor	https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/blob/85354b0711eba9179049dd5c6f0696e0b2f90a96/tests/BiosTests.hs#L139
2020-01-26 17:06:55	lukelau	will update those
2020-01-26 17:09:21	fendor	I think it looks good, I would merge them when CI is green
2020-01-26 17:16:11	lukelau	fendor: can you cancel some of these older builds for the implicit-cradle-tests branch
2020-01-26 17:16:21	lukelau	apart from the newest queued one
2020-01-26 17:17:07	lukelau	For some reason linux/mac seems to be able to implicitly select the stack cradle ok but the windows one is choosing cabal
2020-01-26 17:17:13	fendor	lukelau, not sure, i'll try
2020-01-26 17:18:45	fendor	sorry, I think mpickering would need to do that
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2020-01-26 17:37:15	fendor_	lukelau: I am on the phone no, so if you wrote something to me since my last message, pls resend :) 
2020-01-26 17:37:25	fendor_	Now 
2020-01-26 17:37:38	lukelau	didn’t send anything!
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2020-01-26 19:12:53	lukelau	fendor_:  https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/135 is good for review again
2020-01-26 19:35:57	fendor_	Nice, merged! 
2020-01-26 19:50:08	lukelau	fendor_: thanks
2020-01-26 19:50:16	lukelau	now to figure out what the hell is going on with the stop fiels
2020-01-26 19:50:55	lukelau	For some reason, the findCradle on the linux CI starts searching the root directory of the hie-bios search tree https://travis-ci.org/mpickering/hie-bios/jobs/641998611?utm_medium=notification&utm_source=github_status
2020-01-26 19:51:06	lukelau	instead of the test project root, which it does for me locally
2020-01-26 20:13:19	fendor	lukelau, did you find the problem yet?
2020-01-26 20:21:03	fendor	lukelau, you did not add the stop-file test-case as an extra-source file
2020-01-26 20:25:24	fendor	we need that since we want after a "cabal get hie-bios", it should be possible to execute the tests
2020-01-26 20:26:04	lukelau	fendor: ah, i keep on forgetting to add that
2020-01-26 20:26:23	fendor	lukelau, yeah, sorry :/ 
2020-01-26 20:26:27	lukelau	fendor: alan just pointed out it might be better to copy the test projects into $TMPDIR and then run the tests there
2020-01-26 20:26:39	lukelau	rather than having this machinery
2020-01-26 20:26:45	fendor	which machinery?
2020-01-26 20:26:52	lukelau	the .hie-bios.stop files
2020-01-26 20:26:55	lukelau	the simpler the better
2020-01-26 20:27:07	fendor	yeah... makes sense
2020-01-26 20:27:18	lukelau	as an aside, do you know what the status is with —show-build-info?
2020-01-26 20:27:44	fendor	it is merged into Cabal, not into cabal-install
2020-01-26 20:27:58	fendor	so, it should be in Cabal 3.0.0.0
2020-01-26 20:28:24	fendor	as a side note, why is CI mad at me? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1601
2020-01-26 20:29:24	fendor	I think it need the .git suffix
2020-01-26 20:30:00	lukelau	yeah
2020-01-26 20:30:32	lukelau	if it’s Cabal but not cabal-install, can you run `runghc Setup.hs show-build-info` then?
2020-01-26 20:31:03	lukelau	I’m trying it out but I need to run the configure command first apparently
2020-01-26 20:31:08	lukelau	Like the old style builds?
2020-01-26 20:31:54	fendor	sounds about right
2020-01-26 20:32:29	lukelau	oh man i cant remember how youre supposed to do the configuring and installing for those lol
2020-01-26 20:32:32	fendor	not sure if like the old style builds, but maybe
2020-01-26 20:32:49	lukelau	is it supposed to work with new style builds?
2020-01-26 20:33:12	fendor	of course, it is supposed to work with *only* new style builds
2020-01-26 20:33:26	fendor	I just dont know how to work with just Cabal
2020-01-26 20:34:31	fendor	Before it got merged, I only used cabal-install, and then only the Cabal part got merged
2020-01-26 20:35:55	lukelau	so this is the pr for the cabal-install part right? https://github.com/haskell/cabal/pull/6241
2020-01-26 20:37:46	fendor	yes
2020-01-26 20:38:06	fendor	and it got a fair share of feedback I need to address at some point
2020-01-26 20:39:03	lukelau	But if it’s in Cabal, are we able to use it within hie-bios/another library? Or is there stuff in cabal-install thats also needed to successfuly query it?
2020-01-26 20:40:07	fendor	I think cabal-helper is able to utilise it.
2020-01-26 20:40:23	fendor	but it doesnt use it, yet, iirc
2020-01-26 20:40:47	fendor	cabal-install just offered an easier way to query it
2020-01-26 20:42:06	lukelau	hmm i’ll investigate using it for hte cabal cradle action
2020-01-26 21:19:00	Gurkenglas	So I'm running a language-agnostic code duplication detector (simian) on hie and https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/e0cac6aefc453f8474ff87c5303cb9d6995c54fd/app/MainHie.hs#L115 has hSetBuffering stderr LineBuffering while hSetBuffering stderr LineBuffering doesn't. Is that intended?
2020-01-26 21:19:26	Gurkenglas	*while https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/78f6701e9c236c4d499787420bd4e8fa8fe44fce/app/HieWrapper.hs#L59 doesn't ^^
2020-01-26 21:20:07	alanz	accidental, I think. I presume hie-wrapper should be updated
2020-01-26 21:21:33	Gurkenglas	If I moved the common lines into a function they both call, where would I put it and what would I call it?
2020-01-26 21:27:51	Gurkenglas	When I rightclick even a locally defined variable and select "Go to Definition", it merely displays a loading animation for ~30 seconds and does nothing else
2020-01-26 21:28:35	Gurkenglas	Oh there are actually errors, missed the dialogs popping up in the bottom right
2020-01-26 21:31:17	fendor	Gurkenglas, errors should also be displayed as a diagnostic in the very first line
2020-01-26 21:31:48	Gurkenglas	fendor, not an error in the project, an error thrown by hie within VSCode
2020-01-26 21:31:53	Gurkenglas	"cannot satisfy -package-id haskell-ide-engine-1.0.0.0-7xBya3YIiRuEoY9Ew5yC0P\n (use -v for more information)"
2020-01-26 21:32:05	Gurkenglas	How do I troubleshoot that? How do I tell it to use -v?
2020-01-26 21:32:37	fendor	Gurkenglas, how are you opening the project? no hie.yaml and stack?
2020-01-26 21:33:13	Gurkenglas	The project I have open in VSCode happens to be hie as git clone gave it to me :)
2020-01-26 21:33:21	fendor	and you have cabal installed?
2020-01-26 21:34:17	Gurkenglas	I suppose? I installed hie using the "stack ./install.hs hie", which installed a GHC so I'm guessing if it needed a cabal it'd also install that?
2020-01-26 21:34:26	fendor	no, you dont
2020-01-26 21:34:42	fendor	after installing, hie can handle stack and cabal projects
2020-01-26 21:35:02	fendor	and currently, if there is a tie, e.g. a cabal-project and stack.yaml, we select cabal as the build-tool
2020-01-26 21:35:07	fendor	does cabal build succeed for you?
2020-01-26 21:35:25	Gurkenglas	nope, it doesnt have cabal
2020-01-26 21:35:51	fendor	you dont have cabal?
2020-01-26 21:35:55	Gurkenglas	apparently not
2020-01-26 21:36:27	Gurkenglas	I think when I needed to do something with cabal I somehow expressed it as a stack command
2020-01-26 21:36:29	fendor	ok, then you are using stack to build the project and by default stack uses `stack.yaml`
2020-01-26 21:36:41	Gurkenglas	something like "cabal x" -> "stack exec -- cabal x"
2020-01-26 21:36:44	fendor	and `stack.yaml` is probably for ghc 8.8.1 at the moment?
2020-01-26 21:38:32	Gurkenglas	"stack.yaml" says "resolver: nightly-2019-09-21 # Last GHC 8.6.5" in the first line
2020-01-26 21:39:40	fendor	ok that is alright
2020-01-26 21:39:48	fendor	can you try `stack build`? does that succeed?
2020-01-26 21:40:34	Gurkenglas	Running. ("stack ./install.hs hie" worked yesterday)
2020-01-26 21:41:53	Gurkenglas	(surely doing git clone into stack ./install.hs hie should land me in a position to run hie on hie ._.)
2020-01-26 21:42:16	fendor	it should, but stack is weird, sometimes :/
2020-01-26 21:42:47	fendor	stack ./install.hs hie actually is different than just `stack build`
2020-01-26 21:43:10	fendor	uses the specific stack-8.6.5.yaml file
2020-01-26 21:44:04	fendor	and hie uses `stack build --only-configure .` to configure the project, which uses `stack.yaml`
2020-01-26 21:44:34	Gurkenglas	stack build succeeded
2020-01-26 21:47:00	fendor	then can you try to execute `hie --debug src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Server.hs` and paste the logs here?
2020-01-26 21:49:29	Gurkenglas	fendor, https://pastebin.com/raw/3H0WcrtA
2020-01-26 21:49:39	Gurkenglas	oops, missed a aprt
2020-01-26 21:50:30	Gurkenglas	fendor, https://pastebin.com/raw/NjGeNrKy
2020-01-26 21:50:37	fendor	Gurkenglas, thanks! 
2020-01-26 21:51:54	fendor	ok, that actually looks alright
2020-01-26 21:56:10	fendor	can you provide some logs from vscode directly?
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2020-01-26 22:13:36	Gurkenglas	fendor, how?
2020-01-26 22:14:04	fendor	you know where the problems panel is in vscode, or the terminal?
2020-01-26 22:15:59	Gurkenglas	I have the terminal open, it's where ive been running commands like cabal build
2020-01-26 22:16:04	Gurkenglas	the terminal in vscode
2020-01-26 22:16:14	fendor	ok, there should be a Output panel, too?
2020-01-26 22:16:46	Gurkenglas	yes
2020-01-26 22:17:12	Gurkenglas	the dropdown in there in the upper right has Log (Extension Host) as an option and the text from there is https://pastebin.com/raw/HKZpd3Sx
2020-01-26 22:18:36	fendor	is your vscode plugin up-to-date?
2020-01-26 22:19:08	Gurkenglas	Haskell Language Server 0.0.34
2020-01-26 22:19:51	fendor	ok, what happens when you do hie-wrapper in the main dir?
2020-01-26 22:20:38	fendor	does that already crash?
2020-01-26 22:20:50	Gurkenglas	(...) Load them all now. This may take a very long time. (...)
2020-01-26 22:20:57	fendor	oh sorry
2020-01-26 22:21:04	Gurkenglas	not crashed yet
2020-01-26 22:21:04	fendor	I meant `hie-wrapper --lsp`
2020-01-26 22:21:17	Gurkenglas	aborted with ctrl-c
2020-01-26 22:23:23	Gurkenglas	https://pastebin.com/raw/sMU8dyYz no other output for a minute now, still running
2020-01-26 22:23:46	fendor	yeah, that is normal
2020-01-26 22:24:16	fendor	I think the vscode plugin does something incorrectly
2020-01-26 22:25:34	fendor	Gurkenglas, in the dropdown of the output panel, there should be a Haskell HIE selection
2020-01-26 22:26:00	Gurkenglas	fendor, indeed. In fact, there are two such dropdown options
2020-01-26 22:26:22	fendor	yeah, no idea why
2020-01-26 22:26:23	Gurkenglas	the second is empty tho
2020-01-26 22:26:51	Gurkenglas	https://pastebin.com/raw/UBva1EVr
2020-01-26 22:27:12	Gurkenglas	(I wonder if there's a vscode thingy to send the selection to some pastebin and give me a link)
2020-01-26 22:27:51	Gurkenglas	ah, putting pastebin into the extensions marketplace just finds one :)
2020-01-26 22:28:38	Gurkenglas	lol that install added "[Error - 5:58:03 PM] haskell-lsp:no handler for. Object (fromList [("jsonrpc",String "2.0"),("params",Object (fromList [("value",String "off")])),("method",String "$/setTraceNotification")])" to the log you're reading
2020-01-26 22:31:28	Gurkenglas	Is there some way to get a stack trace of why it is trying to call stty?
2020-01-26 22:31:34	fendor	these logs are enough, I think
2020-01-26 22:31:40	fendor	can you maybe also try to enable debug mode?
2020-01-26 22:31:51	Gurkenglas	sure, how?
2020-01-26 22:31:55	fendor	in Settings > Haskell Ide Engine > Server : Trace -> Verbose
2020-01-26 22:32:36	Gurkenglas	File, Edit, Selection, View, Go, Debug, Terminal, Help. no Settings
2020-01-26 22:33:06	fendor	File > Preferences > Settings
2020-01-26 22:33:31	fendor	then Extensions > Haskell Ide Engine > Language Server Haskell › Trace: Server
2020-01-26 22:34:00	Gurkenglas	done
2020-01-26 22:36:20	fendor	then just try again to load the project
2020-01-26 22:36:20	Gurkenglas	after reloading the window, the hie output is https://pastebin.com/raw/kZ8HWHa2
2020-01-26 22:36:24	fendor	thanks!
2020-01-26 22:37:08	Gurkenglas	Those \r\ns look like someone failed to handle newlines correctly?
2020-01-26 22:39:19	fendor	possibly but it works for me on windows
2020-01-26 22:39:25	fendor	actually, this load looks like everything is working?
2020-01-26 22:40:39	fendor	contrary to the previous attempt to load the project
2020-01-26 22:40:50	Gurkenglas	Indeed, Goto Definition works for now
2020-01-26 22:41:12	fendor	easiest test is if hover works
2020-01-26 22:41:17	fendor	e.g. shows types or documentation
2020-01-26 22:42:03	fendor	hie is struggling with stack. There are some long standing bugs that sometimes make it fail if you did not invoke `stack build` manually before opening in hie
2020-01-26 22:47:53	Gurkenglas	Stopped working again. Logs are over paste filesize limit, recommend a pastebin?
2020-01-26 22:48:51	fendor	what, how big are the logs? 0.o
2020-01-26 22:49:03	fendor	I sometimes just use gist.github.com
2020-01-26 22:49:24	Gurkenglas	https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Gurkenglas/f4bbc6fe1c141c8908f2207b2cfee965/raw/c0992af3b7d91f7e2e2fef00bfc9bd0ab7d62328/gistfile1.txt
2020-01-26 22:51:19	fendor	ok, looks like a bug
2020-01-26 22:52:02	fendor	can you try if the same happens if rename `hie.yaml.stack` to `hie.yaml`? Or is the error with `z-hie-test-utils` or something like that?
2020-01-26 22:52:46	fendor	does `hie --debug app/MainHie.hs` also crash?
2020-01-26 22:52:53	fendor	gotta go for some time
2020-01-26 22:54:41	Gurkenglas	after renaming that file and reloading that window, same seems to happen (no period of it first working tho)
2020-01-26 22:56:03	Gurkenglas	... Load them all now. This may take a very long time. ...
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2020-01-26 22:57:48	Gurkenglas	hie --debug app/MainHie.hs -lts: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/Gurkenglas/f4bbc6fe1c141c8908f2207b2cfee965/raw/9e4a3b99a742021c0002197703718111d4f10c66/gistfile2.txt
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2020-01-26 23:57:07	fendor	Gurkenglas, yeah, I think this is a bug with cabal-helper
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2020-01-27 02:01:08	Gurkenglas	oh it turns out theres a FAQ for this https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#cannot-satisfy--package-id-package
2020-01-27 02:02:05	Gurkenglas	though it says to run cabal update and I'm not using cabal, and stack update didnt help
2020-01-27 02:03:08	Gurkenglas	fendor, would you report the bug to cabal-helper since I don't know what it's got to do with that?
2020-01-27 02:03:49	fendor	Gurkenglas, for now, we are reporting this bug to hie
2020-01-27 02:03:58	fendor	then maybe escalate it up to cabal-helper
2020-01-27 02:04:10	fendor	ill take care of it, sorry that hie doesnt work for you right now :(
2020-01-27 02:04:13	Gurkenglas	thx
2020-01-27 02:04:24	fendor	If you use cabal, it should be working fine
2020-01-27 02:04:42	fendor	but then you have to re-install every package, etc...
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2020-01-27 02:42:41	Gurkenglas	What is the least ancestral common ancestor module of HieWrapper.hs and MainHie.hs? (So I know where to put a helper to be used by both)
2020-01-27 03:11:38	fendor	Gurkenglas, I suppose, Options or Version or MonadFunctions? However, I would just add an other module, just like RunTest, and you can decide later where to put it? 
2020-01-27 03:23:36	Gurkenglas	fendor, should https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/commit/48958d8eb6d6b0aa26d3f05c7db95e0b2dce9370 have also touched https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/78f6701e9c236c4d499787420bd4e8fa8fe44fce/app/HieWrapper.hs#L40 ?
2020-01-27 03:27:05	fendor	Gurkenglas, what do you mean, bios-verbose flag?
2020-01-27 03:28:25	Gurkenglas	fendor, yes
2020-01-27 03:29:18	fendor	yeah, it probably should have
2020-01-27 03:52:50	Gurkenglas	Should https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/app/MainHie.hs#L122 still happen if optLsp opts is false? After all, all the logging then happens via cliOut, not logm.
2020-01-27 03:57:38	fendor	no, internal logging, such as what happens when loading a module is still done with logm
2020-01-27 03:58:16	fendor	it has the advantage that you can do `hie -l debug.log` to hide the logs and only see the output of `cliOut`
2020-01-27 03:58:40	fendor	however, it is work in progress. So maybe
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2020-01-27 04:51:35	mpickering	https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/issues/101#issuecomment-578553721
2020-01-27 04:51:51	mpickering	Unrolling two loops reduced the benchmark from 259s to 170s.. 
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2020-01-27 04:54:45	infinisil	Ironically I think I've noticed h-i-e being slower in hovers since 1.0.0.0
2020-01-27 04:56:08	fendor	I thought hie got faster. But I never benchmarked anything and we do not have any benchmarks
2020-01-27 04:56:10	alanz	The intent on hie hovers is that they return immediately. If that is not the case, something has changed for the worse. 
2020-01-27 04:56:44	alanz	There are two measurements we should track, I guess. One is hover Req to hover rsp time, worst case
2020-01-27 04:57:08	alanz	the other is from sending a change on the doc to actually getting valid hover info
2020-01-27 04:57:20	fendor	it is really interesting why this simple change improved performance that drastically. I wish I could read core.
2020-01-27 04:57:33	alanz	both should be as short as possible, but I would expect the first one to be max 10ms or so, the other longer
2020-01-27 04:57:50	mpickering	fendor: If you write it the first way, every time the function is called it loops over the list
2020-01-27 04:58:08	mpickering	When you write a case, GHC can optimise the matches into a tree
2020-01-27 04:58:49	mpickering	and I imagine that for most characters the character is bigger than all the special characters so it just does one comparision
2020-01-27 04:59:04	alanz	It changes it into an indexed lookup for constant values, rather than a general purpose set membership test
2020-01-27 04:59:11	fendor	but, idk, 7 characters... I would not have imagined that it was that bad 
2020-01-27 04:59:35	alanz	essentially a min-DFA
2020-01-27 05:00:07	mpickering	You won't really be able to tell by looking at core either, have to go deeper than that
2020-01-27 05:00:33	alanz	that source you referred to seems self-explanatory
2020-01-27 05:02:06	fendor	in godbolt it really looks like you can save a couple cycles
2020-01-27 05:03:46	fendor	theoretically, would something like 'c `Set.elem` (Set.fromList ":/?#[]@")' also have similar characteristics?
2020-01-27 05:04:20	fendor	or would you still need to pay in every function call for `Set.fromList ":/?#[]@"`
2020-01-27 05:05:05	mpickering	Set.fromList blah will be floated to the top level and made into a CAF
2020-01-27 05:05:12	mpickering	which should only be evaluated once
2020-01-27 05:05:29	mpickering	but will still be slower than the pattern match version
2020-01-27 05:07:35	fendor	yeah, since GHC can generate a perfect comparison tree while Set might not
2020-01-27 05:07:36	fendor	?
2020-01-27 05:08:02	mpickering	yeah
2020-01-27 05:08:41	fendor	very cool
2020-01-27 05:09:52	alanz	mpickering, thanks again for organising a great hackathon. Especially as it brought the key ghcide/hie-bios/hie people together. And there is a good way forward.
2020-01-27 05:11:16	mpickering	It was my pleasure, are you home yet?
2020-01-27 05:17:32	alanz	yes, got home around nine
2020-01-27 05:17:35	alanz	been chilling
2020-01-27 05:30:19	teto	seems like if the LSP client doesn't send `languageServerHaskell` in the init, it triggers an haskell-lsp:configuration parse error. (neovim native ls)
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2020-01-27 05:34:40	alanz	teto: it does that, but I think it is benign, we log it, but then use the default config 
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2020-01-27 05:39:07	teto	alanz: neovim-lsp displays the error (modal window) which means I have to press enter to get through everytime I start the editor. Is it written on stderr ?
2020-01-27 05:40:17	teto	I have fixed my config to actually send the config but dont be surprised if you see similar reports. I dont know why nvim-lsp displays it, its usually pretty quiet
2020-01-27 05:40:34	alanz	Im not sure.  Can you submit an issue with a log of it?
2020-01-27 05:48:11	Gurkenglas	mpickering, instead of a tree, shouldn't it be an array of size 256 so it only has to do one operation?
2020-01-27 05:49:47	Gurkenglas	(or does caching mean that 256 bits are actually more expensive than the tree?)
2020-01-27 05:50:40	Gurkenglas	fendor, can you personally reproduce https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1608 ?
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2020-01-27 12:11:45	DynastyV	I'm getting an error when running HIE on a fresh stack project on Windows
2020-01-27 12:11:55	DynastyV	I just compiled HIE from source on Windows
2020-01-27 12:15:04	DynastyV	https://pastebin.com/mmruSR2T
2020-01-27 12:24:19	jneira_	DinastyV: unfortunately i cant open pastebin here
2020-01-27 12:24:32	jneira_	* DynastyV
2020-01-27 12:24:55	jneira_	but can you build the project with stack succesfully?
2020-01-27 12:25:01	DynastyV	Yes
2020-01-27 12:25:19	DynastyV	Is there a recommended alternative to pastebin?
2020-01-27 12:26:05	jneira_	pastebin is fine in general but my corp proxy banned it :-(   i could open a gist, though
2020-01-27 12:27:09	DynastyV	https://gist.github.com/calebh/8a23e0f3d2f7b4682fa540d0c5fcbdc3
2020-01-27 12:36:04	jneira_	Mmm ok, if you open only Lib.hs, does it work in the editor (has docs on hover f.e.)?
2020-01-27 12:39:17	jneira_	same for app/Main.hs (both seems to be loaded succesfully according to log)
2020-01-27 12:40:04	jneira_	to load Spec.hs try to do a `stack clean && stack build --tests` and open the project again
2020-01-27 12:40:42	jneira_	i think you've hit https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1564
2020-01-27 12:46:03	DynastyV	It seems to be working better now in VS Code
2020-01-27 12:46:24	DynastyV	I get docs on hover and type info now, and I didn't run or change anything
2020-01-27 12:46:35	jneira_	mmm even in Spec.hs?
2020-01-27 12:47:04	DynastyV	I don't have a Spec.hs file anywhere
2020-01-27 12:47:29	jneira_	mmm logs mention `C:\Users\caleb\Documents\deepdecompilerproject\dd-c-preprocessor\test\Spec.hs`
2020-01-27 12:47:52	DynastyV	nvm it's in the test folder
2020-01-27 12:47:56	DynastyV	I just didn't see it
2020-01-27 12:48:20	DynastyV	I get the failed on initialization error in Spec.hs
2020-01-27 12:48:21	jneira_	ah ok
2020-01-27 12:50:36	DynastyV	Go to definition doesn't work in any of the files I've tried so far
2020-01-27 12:51:00	jneira_	btw the log is from calling hie in the project root, righ? , maybe the log of the bad vscode session would have the original error
2020-01-27 12:52:22	DynastyV	after running `stack test` the error goes away in Spec.hs, still no working go to definition
2020-01-27 12:52:46	jneira_	i am afraid goto def does not work between modules, i think it should work within the same module though
2020-01-27 12:52:52	jneira_	let me check in my windows
2020-01-27 12:53:04	DynastyV	the log was from hie.exe running in the project directory, yes
2020-01-27 12:53:18	DynastyV	oh okay
2020-01-27 12:53:47	jneira_	turning on verbose mode in hie extension options will show you more info (including the stack builds) 
2020-01-27 12:54:26	jneira_	the log will be in the output panel > Haskell HIE windows (you can choose it in the dropdown)
2020-01-27 12:54:39	jneira_	*window
2020-01-27 12:55:53	DynastyV	Go to definition appears to be working within a module
2020-01-27 12:56:22	jneira_	for me too
2020-01-27 12:56:32	jneira_	we are working on this :-)
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2020-01-27 13:08:04	DynastyV	thanks for the help
2020-01-27 13:08:07	jneira_	alanz: have you considered use precompiled executables to use plugins at runtime, instead compile at runtime them
2020-01-27 13:08:10	jneira_	:+1:
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2020-01-27 13:09:47	jneira_	using a subset of lsp json format to comunicate between the ide main server and the plugin executables?
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2020-01-27 13:30:39	jneira_	commented in https://github.com/haskell/ide/issues/1#issuecomment-578631790
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2020-01-27 17:33:40	Gurkenglas	VSCode's Source Control says "Ctrl-Enter to commit to 'master'", how do I instead turn my staged changes into a pull request?
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2020-01-27 17:54:13	Gurkenglas	I just published the mergemains branch, not noticing that it would go to the official repository, not my own copy. You need permissions to do that, right? Apparently I still have those.
2020-01-27 17:56:11	Gurkenglas	In the future, should I use my personal repository, or is this fine if I use new branches?
2020-01-27 18:03:42	fendor	Gurkenglas, personally, I dont have really a problem with pushing to the main repo as long as it is not master by accident. Maybe a clear naming structure for these branches would still be helpful?
2020-01-27 18:23:38	Gurkenglas	Generic.hs and GhcMod.hs both define TypeParams. Is this so plugins can define their own variants of TypeParams or should it be moved to PluginUtils?
2020-01-27 18:34:00	Gurkenglas	In order to avoid the pain of inventing a naming scheme, I have decided to use my fork. By following https://help.github.com/en/github/getting-started-with-github/fork-a-repo , I have not used the --recursive flag while cloning. Having set up upstream, how do I get the --recursive stuff from upstream?
2020-01-27 18:35:33	fendor	Gurkenglas, there is no recursive stuff at the moment, but it should be `git submodule update --init --recursive`
2020-01-27 18:36:02	Gurkenglas	Ah, okay. The --recursive should be removed from the readme then, right?
2020-01-27 18:37:04	fendor	it doesnt hurt iirc, and maybe we will have to add submodules at some point again. I think removing it is not necessary
2020-01-27 18:37:42	fendor	TypeParams from GhcMod look unused, it is probably an artifact of refactorings, e.g. from removing and re-adding ghc-mod plugin
2020-01-27 18:42:12	Gurkenglas	More than a year ago, I (probably accidentally) commited something to the master of my fork. Even after merging upstream master into my master, that commit and the merging commit remain. Do I need to fix this? How? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/compare/master...Gurkenglas:master
2020-01-27 18:43:19	cocreature	git checkout master, git reset --hard origin/master (assuming origin points to upstream), git push --force yourremote master
2020-01-27 18:45:03	jneira_	lately i use the git config option `remote.pushDefault=origin` always naming my fork as origin and upstream, upstream :-)
2020-01-27 18:45:53	jneira_	so all git push are against my fork if i follow that convention (it is the logical one anyways)
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2020-01-27 19:03:43	Gurkenglas	As far as I know, I only ever involve the official repos if I say upstream?
2020-01-27 19:04:19	Gurkenglas	Did manage to get local and origin master in sync with upstream tho :)
2020-01-27 19:07:20	jneira_	yeah it does not prevent you to push to a wrong branch in your repo but at least you never push directly to the official upstream by error (like i did :-/)
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2020-01-27 23:12:42	mpickering	The derived Ord instance for Uri is not very good
2020-01-27 23:12:48	mpickering	as a lot of Uris will have common prefixes
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2020-01-27 23:17:25	mpickering	cocreature: `updateFileDiagnostics` is also called an insane number of times
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2020-01-27 23:19:51	cocreature	mpickering: it’s called for every rule which can be a lot :)
2020-01-27 23:20:15	mpickering	I can either continue to optimise this code path
2020-01-27 23:20:19	mpickering	or just make it get called less :) 
2020-01-27 23:20:27	cocreature	that’s why you probably don’t want to turn caching of normalization into a rule but just have some global MVar (Map _ _)
2020-01-27 23:20:44	mpickering	Now the profile is dominated by calls to compare
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2020-01-27 23:33:36	shafox	It is not related to hie, however if I may, is there a possibility to use hie without lsp-mode in emacs, I am looking non-lsp support.
2020-01-27 23:34:55	shafox	Or the newly created ide under haskell org in github, would provide a engine that will work with hie as lang server ? 
2020-01-27 23:40:29	fendor	shafox, hie does not offer another mode.
2020-01-27 23:41:10	fendor	it used to support some json format, but I dont know how that works or when was the last time anybody looked at it. Also, it got completely removed like a month ago
2020-01-27 23:42:34	cocreature	shafox: why do you want non-lsp support?
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2020-01-28 01:55:46	mpickering	So cocreature, sorry to pester you but do you think there are some rules which don't need to update the diagnostics?
2020-01-28 01:55:58	mpickering	for example, if a rule never returns any diagnostics, there is no need to make the call
2020-01-28 01:57:02	mpickering	I have implemented this but I wonder if it's "correct" still
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2020-01-28 01:59:22	cocreature	mpickering: no worries, yeah that sounds reasonable. of course the danger is that we accidentally omit diagnostics where we do have some but I wouldn’t expect that to be a major problem in practise. And there is stuff like caching the conversion to NormalizedUri where we might just be better off not going via shake rules at all and instead have some global Var (Hashmap
2020-01-28 01:59:23	cocreature	NormalizedfilePath NormalizedUri) as a cache
2020-01-28 01:59:43	mpickering	I have implemented that already 
2020-01-28 01:59:55	mpickering	and it makes it "fast enough" but doesn't tackle the root issue
2020-01-28 02:00:23	mpickering	I think this is more subtle than I thought as my first attempt broke ghcide..
2020-01-28 02:00:24	cocreature	do you have a specific rule in mind that will never produce diagnostics
2020-01-28 02:01:15	mpickering	I am not sure which one is being hammered when hover is called
2020-01-28 02:01:21	mpickering	perhaps GetFileModification time?
2020-01-28 02:02:17	cocreature	yeah that looks about right
2020-01-28 02:02:29	cocreature	although for that Pepe’s patch to use the file watcher might be more sensible
2020-01-28 02:02:32	mpickering	because that hits a slightly slow code path in haskell-lsp which I could optimise
2020-01-28 02:02:39	mpickering	but seems better to just not call this function if possible
2020-01-28 02:02:50	mpickering	hmm I can try that as well
2020-01-28 02:03:40	cocreature	not opposed to doing either but just not running the rule seems better than only optimizing parts of running a rule, e.g., updating the diagnostics away
2020-01-28 02:03:57	mpickering	I also want to try changing the Ord instance for Uri
2020-01-28 02:04:02	mpickering	so that it compares in reverse
2020-01-28 02:04:11	mpickering	Because a lot of the prefixes will be the same
2020-01-28 02:05:42	cocreature	it’s a linked list right? so you at least have to walk through to the end so I’m not sure how much that buys you but it seems easy enough to try it.
2020-01-28 02:06:02	cocreature	if the URI stuff is a bottleneck we might just want to switch to Text or ByteString or something like that
2020-01-28 02:06:55	mpickering	It's `Text`
2020-01-28 02:07:09	mpickering	and the majority of time is spent in the `Ord` function
2020-01-28 02:07:34	cocreature	oh right, for some reason I thought it’s String
2020-01-28 02:09:47	mpickering	somehow this change broke ghcide when I am returning Just everywhere
2020-01-28 02:09:49	mpickering	very myserious
2020-01-28 02:10:03	mpickering	thanks for the help, I'll keep trying stuff
2020-01-28 02:10:24	cocreature	if you send me a link to a patch and tell me how I can reproduce the issue, I can probably take a look tomorrow
2020-01-28 02:10:42	alanz	btw, I am trying to make custom diagnostics, triggered by a GHC file being parsed. Nothing happens unless the GHC file has an error/warning in it
2020-01-28 02:11:04	alanz	So I am going to want to mess with the rules/graph some time
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2020-01-28 02:22:43	mpickering	I replaced [] with Just [] everywhere and the "Nothing" code path is never called but yet I managed to break the compiler, I bet there is a call to "length" or something which is messed up
2020-01-28 02:28:49	mpickering	yep... a call to `null` on `Maybe`
2020-01-28 02:29:00	mpickering	Added an explicit type application to that now
2020-01-28 03:16:09	alanz	mpickering, what are your thoughts on zulip? Should that thing survive? become a haskell one?
2020-01-28 03:16:42	mpickering	I wasn't going to do anything wiht it
2020-01-28 03:16:49	mpickering	I don't think we need another way to communicate really
2020-01-28 03:19:17	alanz	agree. Fwiw, I thought it worked quite well.
2020-01-28 03:20:42	alanz	http://downforme.org/is-twitter.com-down-today-for-everyone
2020-01-28 03:20:57	alanz	I see red everywhere, and my client not working
2020-01-28 03:42:54	mpickering	alanz: I modified NormalizedUri to store a hash of the Uri so that Ord and Eq are faster
2020-01-28 03:43:01	mpickering	would you accept this patch? 
2020-01-28 03:43:10	alanz	yes of course
2020-01-28 03:43:37	alanz	I have been following the discussion. So long as the comment in the code next to it says why it is there
2020-01-28 03:43:45	mpickering	There is a bit of an issue with how many times ghcide calls updateDiagnostics tbh
2020-01-28 03:44:06	mpickering	but with my changes it's not horrific anymore
2020-01-28 03:44:12	alanz	you mean we should solve the underlying problem.
2020-01-28 03:44:44	alanz	But I think this is an optimisation worth doing regardless, it is likely one of the most used in the code base, however it ends up
2020-01-28 03:45:25	alanz	the Eq / Ord, for lookups and comparisons of NormalizedUri
2020-01-28 03:46:11	mpickering	It is called for every rule, so I called hover 1000 times and it calls updateDiagnostics 600 000 times
2020-01-28 03:46:26	mpickering	So `Ord` gets completely hammered
2020-01-28 03:50:12	mpickering	Not sure if we should worry about hash collisions
2020-01-28 03:52:15	alanz	what hash are you using? if it is big enough, should be more reliable than the underlying hardware
2020-01-28 03:52:30	mpickering	The one from Hashable
2020-01-28 03:52:47	alanz	pretty sure it will be solid
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2020-01-28 03:53:22	alanz	if you are worried, make an issue to discuss it, and lets get an opinion from people who know/care more
2020-01-28 03:53:27	mpickering	will lead to a very hard to reproduce bug
2020-01-28 03:53:36	mpickering	we could instead make the diagnostics map a hashmap
2020-01-28 03:54:21	mpickering	and remove the Eq/Ord instances 
2020-01-28 03:55:57	alanz	remove them from NormalizedUri? that is a bit extreme?
2020-01-28 03:56:12	mpickering	My other idea was to store the Uri in reverse
2020-01-28 03:56:18	mpickering	I'll try that now
2020-01-28 03:56:40	alanz	I think the probability of a hash is minute, and if it *is* a problem, the whole of Shake would be vulnerable anyway
2020-01-28 03:57:11	alanz	So I would suggest using the obvious thing, that gives a good performance. As you have chosen
2020-01-28 03:57:51	Gurkenglas	I'll try smaller PRs at a time this time, maybe I'll be more likely to finish them :) https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1611
2020-01-28 03:58:17	mpickering	ok, but I am interested to see how good this reversing idea is :P 
2020-01-28 03:58:24	Gurkenglas	Is it still sensible to work on hie given the haskell/ide project?
2020-01-28 03:58:56	mpickering	Gurkenglas: Why are you making this PR?
2020-01-28 03:59:31	mpickering	Usually you would move in the other direction to this
2020-01-28 03:59:32	alanz	mpickering, the question is, how often do we need to do the full comparison.  In which case you walk the whole path anyway
2020-01-28 04:00:16	mpickering	my theory is that most hits are negative but have long common prefixes
2020-01-28 04:01:33	mpickering	I am trying it now anyway for interest
2020-01-28 04:01:54	alanz	ok
2020-01-28 04:01:56	mpickering	Changing the hash remove 8s from my benchmark, from 44s to 36s
2020-01-28 04:02:19	alanz	changing to use the hash, or changing from one implementation to another?
2020-01-28 04:02:29	mpickering	Changing to use the hash
2020-01-28 04:02:39	alanz	btw, the built-in Data.Hashable version has some caveats
2020-01-28 04:02:56	alanz	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/hashable-1.3.0.0/docs/Data-Hashable.html
2020-01-28 04:02:58	mpickering	The reverse approach is much better than the current Ord instance but a little worse than the hash in terms of performance
2020-01-28 04:03:38	alanz	ok.
2020-01-28 04:04:01	mpickering	So do you have an opinion?
2020-01-28 04:04:02	Gurkenglas	mpickering, IdeResult/IdeResultT are reimplementing the Either/ExceptT wheel and there are libraries for this
2020-01-28 04:04:22	mpickering	... the whole point is that they reimplement them but with domain specific data types
2020-01-28 04:04:39	Gurkenglas	what good is that
2020-01-28 04:05:14	mpickering	So that when you read the code, you know what it does
2020-01-28 04:05:16	alanz	mpickering, do I have an opinion on your NormalizedUri approach? I would prefer a hash
2020-01-28 04:05:22	mpickering	OK, using Data.hashable
2020-01-28 04:05:23	mpickering	?
2020-01-28 04:05:28	Gurkenglas	that favors my side of the argument D:
2020-01-28 04:05:29	alanz	yes
2020-01-28 04:05:44	mpickering	Then I should also change the Diagnostics map to use a hashmap?
2020-01-28 04:06:04	Gurkenglas	Left and Right are commonly known to stand for failure and success
2020-01-28 04:06:44	alanz	mpickering, yes, that way it uses the hash too
2020-01-28 04:06:54	mpickering	and I can keep the slow Eq/Ord instance
2020-01-28 04:07:01	mpickering	so everything will be correct still
2020-01-28 04:07:12	Gurkenglas	IdeResultOk and IdeResultFail also make that clear, okay. But with Left and Right it's immediately clear that, for example, there is no third constructor
2020-01-28 04:07:23	Gurkenglas	IdeResult as a type might have meant other things
2020-01-28 04:07:28	alanz	And I am pretty sure this stuff is being used in Shake, maybe check their approach
2020-01-28 04:07:53	alanz	mpickering, Ord needs to be original, we *care* about order.  But Eq could use the hash
2020-01-28 04:08:04	mpickering	Well it is a stable ordering still
2020-01-28 04:08:11	mpickering	but not the one you would "expect" 
2020-01-28 04:08:24	alanz	Ord being original does not mess with the HashMap, which is the usage we care about
2020-01-28 04:08:48	alanz	exactly. So there is no performance downside to leaving the original, and no surprises down the line
2020-01-28 04:10:34	Gurkenglas	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/777 sets a precedent of using existing monad transformers
2020-01-28 04:11:21	alanz	Gurkenglas, you are re-arranging deck chairs on a code base that is going to start rotting not too soon
2020-01-28 04:11:47	alanz	focus on ghcide / ide
2020-01-28 04:12:06	alanz	Gurkenglas, have you seen https://neilmitchell.blogspot.com/2020/01/one-haskell-ide-to-rule-them-all.html?
2020-01-28 04:14:32	Gurkenglas	yes, today, after writing most of that PR iirc ^^
2020-01-28 04:14:39	Gurkenglas	"<Gurkenglas> Is it still sensible to work on hie given the haskell/ide project?"
2020-01-28 04:16:16	alanz	I did not see that statement. 
2020-01-28 04:16:18	mpickering	alanz: So you want the ord instance to remain ordered alphabetically?
2020-01-28 04:16:32	alanz	Working on it does make sense, but not that kind of architectural thing
2020-01-28 04:16:47	alanz	mpickering, yes, unless there is a good performance reason not too
2020-01-28 04:17:01	alanz	what do you think?
2020-01-28 04:17:11	mpickering	The best performance would be if we stored the Uri backwards with the hash
2020-01-28 04:17:26	mpickering	ordering is slower otherwise
2020-01-28 04:17:33	mpickering	but I doubt people do it on the scale of ghcide
2020-01-28 04:18:36	mpickering	I am going to try removing the instance as well to see where it's used
2020-01-28 04:18:56	alanz	when do we do ordering of these in a hot path?
2020-01-28 04:19:07	mpickering	updateDiagnostics is the one I have found
2020-01-28 04:19:08	alanz	if we use a HashMap, rather than a Map?
2020-01-28 04:19:26	mpickering	Ok 
2020-01-28 04:19:29	mpickering	I will implement the slow one
2020-01-28 04:19:31	alanz	We should be ordering by location, the files should not matter much
2020-01-28 04:19:31	mpickering	and change it later
2020-01-28 04:19:42	mpickering	doing these profiles is not a large amount of effort
2020-01-28 04:19:55	alanz	and to be realistic, that is human scale UI, so can tolerate a slower rate
2020-01-28 04:20:03	alanz	sounds good
2020-01-28 04:20:34	mpickering	I will check how fast hover is now on GHC
2020-01-28 04:20:38	alanz	People looking at our new repo https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ap8HdJGl/Screenshot%20from%202020-01-27%2022-48-04.png
2020-01-28 04:20:40	mpickering	0.1s doesn't feel awful
2020-01-28 04:21:17	alanz	the main thing is if you are moving your cursor around, if it is 0.1s with reliable cancel, it is probably fine
2020-01-28 04:23:35	mpickering	and 0.1s on GHC repo when it used to be 4s lol
2020-01-28 04:23:48	mpickering	so on normal repos it is already fast enoguh
2020-01-28 04:23:59	mpickering	but thought I would take all the gains whilst I was looking at it
2020-01-28 04:24:54	alanz	that makes sense, the context is swapped into your brain, make the most of it
2020-01-28 04:31:11	Gurkenglas	https://pastebin.com/raw/8tGbkgCP is this the expected level of inability to load modules?
2020-01-28 04:34:38	Gurkenglas	(There is already a hie.yaml file in ghcide, is it expected to be enough?)
2020-01-28 04:34:44	Gurkenglas	(Is this the right channel to ask?)
2020-01-28 04:37:11	mpickering	The Ord instance still shows up on the profile when I have changed updateDiagnostics
2020-01-28 04:37:41	alanz	Gurkenglas, ghcide does not support multi-module, so it is likely to only load stuff from the library. stty is an old windows problem, not sure what the solution is
2020-01-28 04:37:53	alanz	how badly?
2020-01-28 04:38:06	alanz	And in what context? A Set? a Map?
2020-01-28 04:39:23	mpickering	ghcide has another Map which uses it
2020-01-28 04:39:28	mpickering	I changed that now do see if anything breaks
2020-01-28 04:40:22	mpickering	everything worked, another profile running...
2020-01-28 04:40:41	jneira	Gurkenglass: stty has a workaround https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1428#issuecomment-547530794
2020-01-28 04:40:53	jneira	* Gurkenglas
2020-01-28 04:43:24	alanz	ok
2020-01-28 04:44:44	mpickering	I also remembered I am testing in single threaded mode
2020-01-28 04:44:55	mpickering	lemme see how fast it is with the breaks off
2020-01-28 04:48:04	mpickering	22.45s without the breaks..
2020-01-28 04:48:07	mpickering	nice
2020-01-28 04:51:08	alanz	what was the original? 390 or something?
2020-01-28 04:52:00	jneira	:-O
2020-01-28 04:54:06	alanz	mpickering, I notice normalisation unpacks, process, then repacks. Maybe we should change the underlying type of a URI to not need those two steps. So String, or whatever
2020-01-28 04:54:57	mpickering	It would be better to perform the normalisation directly on Text?
2020-01-28 04:55:50	alanz	whatever results in us not just transforming all the time
2020-01-28 04:56:05	mpickering	yeah, ghcide have copies of these functions anyway..
2020-01-28 04:56:09	mpickering	basically it's a mess
2020-01-28 04:56:33	alanz	So maybe chase it back to what comes off the wire, and do not transformations from there, or one only on initial receipt
2020-01-28 04:56:45	alanz	And we should probably upstream the ghcide stuff
2020-01-28 04:57:06	jneira	wow, i blindly added a normalization step in the hottest code path of haskell-lsp :-/
2020-01-28 04:57:52	mpickering	Don't worry jneira we are equipped to fix it
2020-01-28 04:57:59	mpickering	You did a good job finding the issue
2020-01-28 04:59:41	alanz	agree
2020-01-28 05:00:24	alanz	I just did a thought experiment. If we have -Wall, we have minimal imports. So pasting code from another module should offer one huge code action to just add all the imports.
2020-01-28 05:00:49	alanz	maybe as part of a specific "move code" action. Or wait, this is a HaRe thing. I wonder.
2020-01-28 05:00:59	jneira	in my defense i have to say that i didnt notice any slowness in hie, i guess it dont use it so intensively
2020-01-28 05:01:12	jneira	*doesnt
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2020-01-28 05:02:11	alanz	jneira, also in your defence, in "normal" i.e. hie usage it is not a hot path. Its just that ghcide shakes its entire graph on every message
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2020-01-28 05:02:17	alanz	so it is hot in that context
2020-01-28 05:02:44	jneira	but whatever, here we say "no hay mal que por bien no venga", not sure how to translate it :-)
2020-01-28 05:02:50	alanz	But improving the behavious benefits anyone, and it is not a major contortion.
2020-01-28 05:03:11	alanz	jneira, there is a PR for it, of you want to comment. on haskell-lsp
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2020-01-28 05:03:40	alanz	there is no bad that does not bring some good?
2020-01-28 05:03:54	jneira	yeah
2020-01-28 05:04:13	alanz	Duolingo ftw. I have not completely wasted my time
2020-01-28 05:06:20	 *	alanz afk, bed time
2020-01-28 05:06:57	jneira	good night, i have to go but i want to send a pr :-P
2020-01-28 05:30:43	Gurkenglas	https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/pull/383 pretty :>
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2020-01-28 18:31:45	fendor	I have a design problem with hie-bios: currently, it is possible to do `Config Void` to indicate that something like `cradle: { other: }` can not parse 
2020-01-28 18:31:52	fendor	this requres a FromJSON dep for Void
2020-01-28 18:32:01	fendor	instance, not dep
2020-01-28 18:32:47	fendor	but this instance has been introduced to aeson very recently, like 1.4.1.0
2020-01-28 18:33:00	fendor	is it ok for hie-bios to force that the aeson library must be at least 1.4.1.0?
2020-01-28 18:33:30	fendor	otherwise we could implement a custom phantom type and a custom FromJSON instance
2020-01-28 18:34:07	mpickering	If 1.4.1.0 builds with all deps then it's fine
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2020-01-28 18:38:28	fendor_	mpickering, ok, thanks! 
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2020-01-28 19:16:16	fendor_	bumping required version for aeson requires to bump a lot of versions in hie
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2020-01-28 19:46:00	fendor_	mpickering, I would like to do a release of hie-bios today, would you be fine with that or anything I should not forget?
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2020-01-28 22:06:59	mpickering	fendor: I would like to look before you do a release
2020-01-28 22:07:07	mpickering	We can have a call if you like to talk about the changes
2020-01-28 22:07:19	mpickering	that would be best for me so we can just clear everything up
2020-01-28 22:07:32	fendor	sure
2020-01-28 22:07:43	fendor	when do you have time?
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2020-01-28 22:55:05	fendor	mpickering, today or rather tomorrow?
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2020-01-28 23:16:42	mpickering	fendor: tomorrow
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2020-01-28 23:19:48	fendor_	Ok
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2020-01-28 23:50:45	mpickering	hover is still 1s on ghc/Main.hs
2020-01-28 23:50:48	mpickering	gruhhh
2020-01-28 23:52:02	mpickering	Time to try pepe's patch
2020-01-29 00:09:44	cocreature	mpickering: is it just slower on that file because it has more deps? I thought you measured 0.1s on the GHC codebase
2020-01-29 00:10:11	mpickering	Yes it has the most deps
2020-01-29 00:10:17	mpickering	I was trying on something a bit more sane
2020-01-29 00:10:29	mpickering	and my benchmark was on ghcide which only has 30 modules
2020-01-29 00:10:39	mpickering	profiling GHC is a bit harder, I will perhaps need to work out how to do it
2020-01-29 00:10:53	cocreature	how many transitive module deps does Main.hs have?
2020-01-29 00:11:28	mpickering	I think everything? so about 520
2020-01-29 00:11:39	mpickering	I can get a shake profiile easily enouch
2020-01-29 00:13:11	mpickering	I am just trying commented out lhs support now, I bet it;s twice as fast still
2020-01-29 00:13:46	mpickering	Hmm it's not
2020-01-29 00:13:50	mpickering	interesting
2020-01-29 00:14:33	cocreature	that only matters for GetFileExists iirc which shouldn’t be the bottleneck anymore with Pepe’s patch
2020-01-29 00:14:54	mpickering	indeed. that's one positive
2020-01-29 00:15:19	mpickering	I should be able to work out how to modify ghc to build profiling libs for the dependncy and do a proper profile of loading ghc in
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2020-01-29 00:17:23	mpickering	cocreature: Can you help me understand a shake profile? So the hover took 4s apparently! but the profile seems to suggest that it took far less time
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2020-01-29 00:17:26	mpickering	not sure I am looking at the right thing
2020-01-29 00:17:49	cocreature	mpickering: what makes you say it takes 4s then?
2020-01-29 00:17:58	mpickering	That's what is reported in the log
2020-01-29 00:18:01	cocreature	happy to look at a profile
2020-01-29 00:18:08	mpickering	[DEBUG] Finishing shakeRun (took 4.00s, completed, profile saved at file:///tmp/ghcide/ide-20200128-184516-00003-3.45.html
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2020-01-29 00:18:33	mpickering	It is possible I have applied pepe's patch incorrectly
2020-01-29 00:18:55	mpickering	due to issues related to consumption of liquids
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2020-01-29 00:21:01	cocreature	that includes the time used to process and write the profile which can take a bit iirc
2020-01-29 00:21:39	cocreature	would be interesting to collect the time if you don’t write out a profile
2020-01-29 00:21:54	cocreature	we should probably change things to stop the timer at https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/blob/master/src/Development/IDE/Core/Shake.hs#L233
2020-01-29 00:22:12	cocreature	whereas currently it stops once the whole call has returned
2020-01-29 00:22:32	mpickering	https://mpickering.github.io//////ide-20200128-184516-00003-3.45.html
2020-01-29 00:22:42	mpickering	There is the profile
2020-01-29 00:22:55	mpickering	If you look it says the actual call to get the span info takes 0.05s
2020-01-29 00:23:35	cocreature	and that call hasn’t even run as part of this hover if you filter via "run(0)"
2020-01-29 00:23:41	cocreature	(because it was cached)
2020-01-29 00:23:49	mpickering	What is the meaning of "run(0)"?
2020-01-29 00:24:02	mpickering	Because it seems to write a profile on every hover?
2020-01-29 00:24:11	cocreature	yeah but the profile includes previous runs as well
2020-01-29 00:24:20	cocreature	run(0) is the most recent one
2020-01-29 00:24:55	mpickering	another profile only contains 5 runs as well
2020-01-29 00:25:01	mpickering	and the time taken matches what is displayed on the UI
2020-01-29 00:26:19	mpickering	I think I have to actually do a profile of this
2020-01-29 00:27:03	cocreature	what do you mean by “the time take matches what is displayed on the UI”. which time and which UI?
2020-01-29 00:27:21	mpickering	Last build time
2020-01-29 00:27:32	mpickering	and "[DEBUG] Finishing shakeRun (took 1.46s, completed, profile saved "
2020-01-29 00:28:01	cocreature	is that tke "time taken" or "what is display on the UI"?
2020-01-29 00:28:15	mpickering	the time taken is about that much certainly
2020-01-29 00:29:01	mpickering	time without profiling is better but still around 0.5-0.7s
2020-01-29 00:29:43	mpickering	I am expecting a reponse time < 0.1s btw, if you think that's unreasonable
2020-01-29 00:29:53	cocreature	hm, in that case the only thing I can come up with is overhead from shake which is not in the profile.
2020-01-29 00:30:10	cocreature	I would love response times < 0.1s. I don’t really know what is reasonable :)
2020-01-29 00:30:19	mpickering	well it happens in h-i-e
2020-01-29 00:30:26	mpickering	Neil will say that it's not "correct" though
2020-01-29 00:30:58	mpickering	In a module with less deps it is closer to that
2020-01-29 00:31:03	mpickering	0.2-0.3
2020-01-29 00:31:55	mpickering	It's funny that this time last year using an IDE on ghc wasn't possible at all.. and now I'm complaining it's too slow to use
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2020-01-29 00:40:46	mpickering	ahhh I was compiling with the wrong ghc version so using the wrong ghcide version, classic stuff
2020-01-29 00:43:24	mpickering	I had to comment out the lhs extension still or "ghcide" tries to watch "too many files"
2020-01-29 00:44:55	mpickering	alright with my patch hover is now at 0.5 in exe/Main.hs
2020-01-29 00:44:57	mpickering	that's good enough
2020-01-29 00:45:11	mpickering	Pepe's patch doesn't seem to make much of a difference
2020-01-29 00:47:02	mpickering	Now we just need this `.hi` file patch :) 
2020-01-29 00:47:06	mpickering	Thanks a lot Moritz!
2020-01-29 00:50:23	cocreature	I didn’t do anything :) glad you figured it out
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2020-01-29 02:13:06	mpickering	lukelau: I want to chat to you some time this week, sorry I didn't get a chance on Sunday. Hope you got back safely
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2020-01-29 03:04:18	mpickering	`firstJustM` shows up a lot in the profiles but the definition looks quite innoculous
2020-01-29 03:12:46	mpickering	I suppose it is computation happening inside there
2020-01-29 03:12:53	mpickering	seems to be used when calculating whether to do recompilation
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2020-01-30 00:55:22	fendor	mpickering, for hie-bios, I addressed your feedback and I think everything is ready for merging https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/143 and a consecutive release
2020-01-30 00:56:25	fendor	this is the pr for simplifying the api (e.g. remove Show constraint): https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/146/files
2020-01-30 00:56:45	fendor	this undos changes to stack action: https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/147/files
2020-01-30 01:54:48	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/ide/pull/15
2020-01-30 01:54:55	alanz	we have a wrapper PR
2020-01-30 01:59:48	jneira	great!
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2020-01-30 02:04:16	drew	hi @fendor, I thought I'd join here in case you had any real-time tips
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2020-01-30 02:04:27	Guest31982	this is the same drew from the issues that we've been communicating on
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2020-01-30 02:04:46	fendor	drew__b, hi! 
2020-01-30 02:04:59	drew__b	i ran into an issue getting that package
2020-01-30 02:05:14	drew__b	the one described here https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1613#event-2987910744
2020-01-30 02:06:13	fendor	drew__b, in which project did you execute the command?
2020-01-30 02:06:32	fendor	haskell-ide-engine or hie-bios?
2020-01-30 02:06:38	drew__b	ohhh
2020-01-30 02:06:44	drew__b	you mean in that repo for hie-bios
2020-01-30 02:06:46	drew__b	i see
2020-01-30 02:07:00	fendor	yeah, sorry, I didnt explicitly say it :/
2020-01-30 02:07:08	drew__b	running that within nix-shell would be an issue right? Since there is no shell.nix for that project?
2020-01-30 02:07:35	drew__b	that's just going to use my system cabal
2020-01-30 02:07:40	drew__b	which actually I don't have
2020-01-30 02:07:41	fendor	drew__b, personally, I just copy the shell.nix from haskell-ide-engine into every project i use and then use cabal install :D 
2020-01-30 02:07:47	alanz	jneira, fendor I am going to brute-force copy the install.hs stuff too. But it is cargo-culting. I am hoping you guys will pick it up, and also sort out CI, as per your best thoughts
2020-01-30 02:08:13	drew__b	i can try that
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2020-01-30 02:09:21	fendor	alanz, it might be the right time to rethink the install.hs and drop the shake dependency, since our installation process got way simpler since it was written
2020-01-30 02:09:39	fendor	although, ironically, now it doesnt really matter anymore
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2020-01-30 02:10:32	alanz	ok. My thinking is to do the simplest thing right now, *then* rework it
2020-01-30 02:10:38	fendor	alright
2020-01-30 02:10:45	drew__b	@fendor , just curious. What would this test confirm?
2020-01-30 02:10:46	alanz	And even if it is too complex, it does get the job done
2020-01-30 02:11:27	fendor	drew__b, I hope to see more logs and if hie-bios succeeds to load your project, then we would now if the hie impl trips or already in hie-bios
2020-01-30 02:11:37	fendor	alanz, yeah sure
2020-01-30 02:12:00	drew__b	so when you say <path to test file>, is that the test suite in hie-bios?
2020-01-30 02:12:07	drew__b	or the test suite in my work project?
2020-01-30 02:12:15	fendor	no, in your project
2020-01-30 02:12:24	fendor	you try to load in your project some test-file
2020-01-30 02:12:32	fendor	and it fails and there is no message or log why it fails
2020-01-30 02:13:28	drew__b	which test is the more valuable one, the first (where you suggest cloning the hie-bios project), or the second (where i install hie on my host and point it to debug the work project I'm having issues with)?
2020-01-30 02:14:01	fendor	alanz, Cradle.hs is only used to start the appropriate version of ide, right? 
2020-01-30 02:14:25	fendor	drew__b, I think second, but if you have to build it from source, you are going to sit there for at least an hour
2020-01-30 02:14:30	alanz	yes, only by the wrapper
2020-01-30 02:15:28	fendor	that is kind of inconsistent with the Ide main that does not support multi-cradles and cabal-helper. We probably should open an issue for that
2020-01-30 02:16:45	drew__b	@fendor building it from source is just following the instructions on the hie README right?
2020-01-30 02:16:55	drew__b	stack install 8.6.4 etc/etc/etc
2020-01-30 02:17:01	drew__b	right?
2020-01-30 02:17:23	fendor	drew__b, yeah, if you are using nix and cabal, use `./cabal-install-hie.sh latest` or whatever version you need
2020-01-30 02:17:37	drew__b	well i'm only using nix in my work project
2020-01-30 02:17:46	drew__b	I was going to just install this on my host computer
2020-01-30 02:17:50	drew__b	is that incorrect to assume that?
2020-01-30 02:18:21	drew__b	i'm new to nix, and am a little uncertain on how it interacts with stuff on host
2020-01-30 02:19:07	fendor	drew__b, what is host? you mean you are on some linux/macos/windows and use nix to develop stuff?
2020-01-30 02:19:28	drew__b	i'm on archlinux, and have the nix package manager installed
2020-01-30 02:19:35	drew__b	and my work project has a shell.nix and stuff
2020-01-30 02:20:07	fendor	ah, ok. And you are usually using *only* nix build to build your project?
2020-01-30 02:22:06	drew__b	well it's an impure nix-shell
2020-01-30 02:22:15	drew__b	so i have access to system binaries from inside the shell
2020-01-30 02:22:20	drew__b	but i don't think the reverse is true
2020-01-30 02:22:45	drew__b	the strange thing is that the tests were working in HIE yesterday
2020-01-30 02:22:54	drew__b	and i've checked out all changes - but they still fail
2020-01-30 02:23:20	jneira	fendor well, the wrapper will work better than the wrapped for a while ;-)
2020-01-30 02:23:23	drew__b	so with this test, should i build hie with stack on my "host"?
2020-01-30 02:24:05	jneira	better = more contexts
2020-01-30 02:24:12	fendor	drew__b, yeah, you can do that. But still, are you using cabal or stack usually? Or really only something like `nix-build default.nix`?
2020-01-30 02:26:28	alanz	fendor, they are working on multi-cradle, I figure we may as well keep wrapper support
2020-01-30 02:27:02	fendor	alanz, I just mean that the wrapper defaults to cabal-helper, while the main defaults to implicit cradle search if no hie.yaml is given
2020-01-30 02:27:08	drew__b	@fendor , in the project I'm using nix-shell (which is similar to nix-build afaik) in conjunction with cabal
2020-01-30 02:27:22	drew__b	but doesn't the build tool not matter when I'm building from source?
2020-01-30 02:27:41	alanz	fendor, ok. Well, as I say, it is a brute force copy, you guys can tweak it now
2020-01-30 02:27:46	drew__b	either way it puts that binary somewhere, either in $HOME/.local/bin (with stack) or $HOME/.cabal/bin
2020-01-30 02:27:50	fendor	drew__b, yes, but you can probably reuse already built dependencies and avoid some work
2020-01-30 02:28:25	drew__b	my main concern is that `hie` on my host will not have the build deps of the project
2020-01-30 02:28:29	drew__b	which are configured via nix
2020-01-30 02:28:40	fendor	drew__b, nah that is fine
2020-01-30 02:28:40	drew__b	and that will false positive this test
2020-01-30 02:28:42	drew__b	ok
2020-01-30 02:28:45	drew__b	i'll build it
2020-01-30 02:28:50	fendor	you just have to execute in hie in that shell
2020-01-30 02:29:18	fendor	if you are usually using cabal, I recommend using `./cabal-hie-install latest`
2020-01-30 02:29:23	fendor	or what ghc version do you need?
2020-01-30 02:29:35	drew__b	actually it looks like hie is an arch package
2020-01-30 02:29:46	drew__b	8.6.4
2020-01-30 02:29:49	fendor	alanz, so, is it accepted that the implicit cradle discovery is done by cabal-helper?
2020-01-30 02:30:01	drew__b	the issue is that `which hie` in nix-shell will show me the one i have from all-hies
2020-01-30 02:30:11	drew__b	i can execute it with abs path
2020-01-30 02:30:12	fendor	drew__b, then I think you need to execute `./cabal-hie-install hie-8.6.4`, or did it change, jneira?
2020-01-30 02:30:23	drew__b	i dont have cabal on host
2020-01-30 02:30:52	fendor	drew__b, hie has an aur arch package but it is only updated twice a month and installs more versions, iirc
2020-01-30 02:31:05	alanz	fendor, as far as I am concerned the main purpose for cabal helper is implicit cradle discover
2020-01-30 02:31:07	alanz	y
2020-01-30 02:31:15	fendor	drew__b, in haskell-ide-engine, there is a shell.nix. You can do `nix-shell` and then do `./cabal-hie-install hie-8.6.4`
2020-01-30 02:31:24	alanz	and if we can get it to dump a candidate hie.yaml, so much the better
2020-01-30 02:31:32	drew__b	yeah i got a weird error with stack
2020-01-30 02:31:33	drew__b	drew@muaddib /drew/code/lib/haskell-ide-engine (master) $ stack ./install.hs hie-8.6.4
2020-01-30 02:31:35	drew__b	Could not parse '/home/drew/.stack/config.yaml':
2020-01-30 02:31:37	drew__b	Aeson exception:
2020-01-30 02:31:39	drew__b	Error in $.params.nix: failed to parse field 'params': expected Text, encountered Object
2020-01-30 02:31:41	drew__b	See http://docs.haskellstack.org/en/stable/yaml_configuration/
2020-01-30 02:31:46	drew__b	that's with pulling latest
2020-01-30 02:31:56	fendor	drew__b, `stack upgrade` would be probably necessary
2020-01-30 02:31:59	alanz	fendor, I am only putting in stack.yaml for 8.6.5 and 8.6.4, in the 8.6.* range
2020-01-30 02:32:35	drew__b	will this pollute my work project's nix-shell?
2020-01-30 02:32:42	drew__b	it's installing a bunch of stuff
2020-01-30 02:32:51	fendor	drew__b, no, nix is always isolated
2020-01-30 02:33:13	fendor	you can delete everything with `nix-collect-garbage -d` once you are done
2020-01-30 02:33:17	drew__b	thanks for helping me btw
2020-01-30 02:33:30	fendor	drew__b, you're welcome! happy to help :)
2020-01-30 02:33:33	alanz	btw, for vscode, there is https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/evqhy2/haskell_ide_engine_devcontainer/
2020-01-30 02:33:45	drew__b	$ (nix-shell) > ./cabal-hie-install hie-8.6.4
2020-01-30 02:33:46	drew__b	Warning: /home/drew/.cabal/config: Unrecognized field ghc-options on line 18
2020-01-30 02:33:48	drew__b	Warning: /home/drew/.cabal/config: Unrecognized field ghc-options on line 18
2020-01-30 02:33:50	drew__b	cabal: The program 'ghc' version >=7.0.1 is required but it could not be
2020-01-30 02:33:52	drew__b	found.
2020-01-30 02:34:18	drew__b	@alanz that link seems to not work
2020-01-30 02:34:48	drew__b	found it
2020-01-30 02:34:53	drew__b	this seems like it's specific to 865
2020-01-30 02:34:54	fendor	alanz, I think it would be rather trivial to dump a hie.yaml from cabal-helper
2020-01-30 02:35:20	fendor	could even be a custom executable or something
2020-01-30 02:35:22	drew__b	$ (nix-shell) > which ghc
2020-01-30 02:35:24	drew__b	ghc not found
2020-01-30 02:35:41	fendor	drew__b, ok, I forgot, our shell.nix does not install a ghc by default
2020-01-30 02:35:41	alanz	fendor, I agree. Low hanging fruit.
2020-01-30 02:35:57	drew__b	i need like `nix-env -iA something`
2020-01-30 02:36:09	drew__b	or maybe just cabal install ghc?
2020-01-30 02:36:25	drew__b	that would put it on my host machine though
2020-01-30 02:36:25	fendor	drew__b, no, cabal install ghc does not work
2020-01-30 02:36:40	fendor	nix-env -iA haskell.compiler.ghc864 would work, but wait a second
2020-01-30 02:37:18	fendor	drew__b, yeah, or you change the shell.nix in haskell-ide-engine to something like https://gist.github.com/fendor/690a1a95715cd633016879ba369bf017
2020-01-30 02:38:10	fendor	alanz, although, there is still the problem that cabal-helper does by default not enable test components. Unless jneira fixed that
2020-01-30 02:38:29	fendor	I should start watching cabal-helper
2020-01-30 02:38:32	drew__b	how do i clean/rebuild?
2020-01-30 02:38:59	fendor	drew__b, for nix? just exit the shell and open it again with nix-shell
2020-01-30 02:39:10	fendor	again, after you are done, just do `nix-collect-garabge`
2020-01-30 02:39:17	drew__b	error: cannot coerce a set to a string, at /drew/code/lib/haskell-ide-engine/shell.nix:3:3
2020-01-30 02:39:17	fendor	*nix-collect-garbage
2020-01-30 02:39:40	alanz	doesn't all-hies provide nix integration?
2020-01-30 02:39:44	fendor	I am proving very nicely that I am bad at nix :D 
2020-01-30 02:40:26	fendor	alanz, we are debugging the issue https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1613. The logs are insufficient 
2020-01-30 02:40:40	alanz	ok
2020-01-30 02:41:21	fendor	drew__b, ok, maybe it is `haskell.packages.ghc864.ghc`?
2020-01-30 02:42:03	drew__b	the main issue with those logs/ticket is that the production code works well with hie
2020-01-30 02:42:17	drew__b	so when i move into a test file, hie starts chugging again and fails
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2020-01-30 02:42:29	drew__b	then if i move to another prod file, that one will fail as well
2020-01-30 02:42:49	drew__b	this is the first nix or multi-cradle project i've tried to use HIE on
2020-01-30 02:42:57	drew__b	all other attempts in the past have been successful
2020-01-30 02:43:14	drew__b	@fendor I think the error is before that
2020-01-30 02:43:18	drew__b	on line #3
2020-01-30 02:44:15	drew__b	error: attribute 'ghc864' missing, at /drew/code/lib/haskell-ide-engine/shell.nix:9:5
2020-01-30 02:45:10	fendor	drew__b, ah, what test-dependencies are you using? are you using tasty or hspec or something in the tests?
2020-01-30 02:46:45	drew__b	tasty, yeah
2020-01-30 02:47:04	drew__b	and hedgehog
2020-01-30 02:47:59	fendor	drew__b, do you know, are you using the feature `tasty-discover?`
2020-01-30 02:48:37	drew__b	lemme check
2020-01-30 02:48:56	fendor	you can test it with `cabal exec -- tasty-discover --version` in your project
2020-01-30 02:49:13	drew__b	doesn't look like it
2020-01-30 02:49:26	drew__b	tasty-hedgehog, tasty-hunit, tasty-quickcheck
2020-01-30 02:49:41	drew__b	tasty-golden
2020-01-30 02:50:34	fendor	drew__b, so, `grep tasty-discover *.cabal` does not yield any output?
2020-01-30 02:51:29	drew__b	    , tasty
2020-01-30 02:51:31	drew__b	    , tasty-golden >=2.3
2020-01-30 02:51:33	drew__b	    , tasty-hedgehog
2020-01-30 02:51:35	drew__b	    , tasty-hunit >=0.10
2020-01-30 02:51:37	drew__b	    , tasty-quickcheck
2020-01-30 02:51:56	fendor	drew__b, it should be build-tool-depends, thus the grep search
2020-01-30 02:52:02	drew__b	so, the `hie` binary is available in my nix-shell. Is there a reason you don't want to use that one?
2020-01-30 02:52:18	drew__b	what is build-tool-depends?
2020-01-30 02:52:34	fendor	drew__b, it doesnt have the feature `hie --debug <path-to-test-file>` yet, and I hoped that the output would be more helpful
2020-01-30 02:53:13	drew__b	we can still try to install it on host
2020-01-30 02:53:14	fendor	drew__b, it is a special field in your *.cabal file to signal to use special tools at build time
2020-01-30 02:53:26	drew__b	that grep comes up with nothing
2020-01-30 02:53:30	fendor	ok.
2020-01-30 02:53:32	drew__b	i used ack and ripgrep as well
2020-01-30 02:53:36	drew__b	for sanity check
2020-01-30 02:53:40	fendor	hehe
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2020-01-30 02:54:27	drew__b	any ideas on how to get ghc into scope so we can build hie?
2020-01-30 02:54:34	drew__b	also it's strange that it's broken with stack
2020-01-30 02:54:37	drew__b	that seems unusual
2020-01-30 02:54:54	fendor	drew__b, I think you would need to update your stack installation with `stack upgrade ` or something
2020-01-30 02:55:02	fendor	that is usually the cause of such exceptions, in my experience
2020-01-30 02:55:37	drew__b	yep it's that ~/.stack/config.yaml
2020-01-30 02:55:41	drew__b	i have no idea where that came from
2020-01-30 02:55:48	fendor	stack creates it
2020-01-30 02:55:55	drew__b	it's saying it can't parse it
2020-01-30 02:56:29	drew__b	$ stack upgrade
2020-01-30 02:56:31	drew__b	Warning: Exception occured when trying to perform binary upgrade:
2020-01-30 02:56:32	fendor	that sometimes happens when you havent updated it for a long time. Or maybe you changed it at some point?
2020-01-30 02:56:33	drew__b	         Could not parse '/home/drew/.stack/config.yaml':
2020-01-30 02:56:35	drew__b	Aeson exception:
2020-01-30 02:56:37	drew__b	Error in $.params.nix: failed to parse field 'params': expected Text, encountered Object
2020-01-30 02:56:39	drew__b	See http://docs.haskellstack.org/en/stable/yaml_configuration/
2020-01-30 02:56:39	fendor	just delete it
2020-01-30 02:56:41	drew__b	         Falling back to source upgrade
2020-01-30 02:56:43	drew__b	Could not parse '/home/drew/.stack/config.yaml':
2020-01-30 02:56:45	drew__b	Aeson exception:
2020-01-30 02:56:47	drew__b	Error in $.params.nix: failed to parse field 'params': expected Text, encountered Object
2020-01-30 02:56:49	drew__b	See http://docs.haskellstack.org/en/stable/yaml_configuration/
2020-01-30 02:56:51	drew__b	idk why it's talking about nix at all
2020-01-30 02:57:01	fendor	you can also try this for you shell.nix: https://gist.github.com/fendor/690a1a95715cd633016879ba369bf017
2020-01-30 02:57:09	fendor	that should put ghc-8.6.4 on the path
2020-01-30 02:57:53	drew__b	error: attribute 'ghc864' missing, at /home/drew/code/lib/haskell-ide-engine/shell.nix:9:5
2020-01-30 02:58:36	fendor	interesting that works for me 0.o
2020-01-30 02:58:53	drew__b	damn
2020-01-30 03:00:37	drew__b	im just going to build it from source
2020-01-30 03:00:48	drew__b	are you sure garbage-collect wont interfere with my other nix project?
2020-01-30 03:01:39	fendor	drew__b, it will delete unused dependencies. In your other nix-project, it will just reinstall any dependency it needs
2020-01-30 03:02:58	fendor	however, I dont know how you build your project, if you link some stuff directly into the executable, then this executable will fail to find the system lib, for example
2020-01-30 03:07:11	drew__b	ok got hie built
2020-01-30 03:07:39	drew__b	now i want to hie --debug <project path>/test?
2020-01-30 03:08:46	fendor	to the exact file you want to load
2020-01-30 03:08:58	fendor	and holy burrito how fast is your computer? 0.o
2020-01-30 03:09:09	drew__b	foreal
2020-01-30 03:09:18	drew__b	maybe it built bad?
2020-01-30 03:10:26	fendor	maybe if there was some error
2020-01-30 03:10:54	fendor	however, how did you install it from source?
2020-01-30 03:11:39	drew__b	i did
2020-01-30 03:11:41	drew__b	no error
2020-01-30 03:12:25	drew__b	it doesn't like that filepath argument
2020-01-30 03:12:42	drew__b	Invalid argument `<path to test file>`
2020-01-30 03:12:56	fendor	did you do git pull before building? and does `which hie` point to ~/.cabal/bin or ~/.local/bin?
2020-01-30 03:13:20	drew__b	oo it's pointing to nix-profile/bin/hie
2020-01-30 03:13:23	drew__b	wut
2020-01-30 03:13:37	drew__b	~/.local/bin/hie exists
2020-01-30 03:13:40	drew__b	i can use taht
2020-01-30 03:13:45	fendor	ok, use that
2020-01-30 03:13:57	drew__b	ok that's doing stuff
2020-01-30 03:14:04	drew__b	waaay more output
2020-01-30 03:14:09	drew__b	let me sanitize this and link a gist
2020-01-30 03:14:10	fendor	yeah, nice
2020-01-30 03:14:17	fendor	please with `--debug`
2020-01-30 03:14:30	fendor	e.g. `~/.local/bin/hie --debug <path>`
2020-01-30 03:14:44	fendor	the only confidential output are some filepaths
2020-01-30 03:16:19	drew__b	this is using 865...
2020-01-30 03:16:21	drew__b	what
2020-01-30 03:16:46	fendor	it uses whatever ghc is on your path
2020-01-30 03:16:54	fendor	hopefully doesnt matter
2020-01-30 03:21:22	jneira	fendor: no fix of stack test for now :-(
2020-01-30 03:21:37	drew__b	https://gist.github.com/drewboardman/4aef45475c39b43e22e2ae48da670318
2020-01-30 03:21:40	drew__b	that's the log
2020-01-30 03:21:45	jneira	the change is not trivial
2020-01-30 03:21:47	drew__b	it's also trying to do 865 things
2020-01-30 03:21:52	fendor	jneira, what's broken? 
2020-01-30 03:22:20	jneira	i mean in cabal helper
2020-01-30 03:22:28	fendor	jneira, oh
2020-01-30 03:22:32	jneira	i just saw your mention
2020-01-30 03:22:34	fendor	that's a pity :/
2020-01-30 03:23:01	jneira	dxld pointed out some caveats
2020-01-30 03:23:11	fendor	drew__b, you have to execute in the nix-shell of your project and I would recommend to execute it also in the root of your project
2020-01-30 03:24:01	drew__b	ok
2020-01-30 03:25:17	drew__b	things are happening @fendor
2020-01-30 03:25:24	drew__b	compilation
2020-01-30 03:25:27	fendor	drew__b, that is good
2020-01-30 03:25:32	fendor	a lot should happen
2020-01-30 03:25:34	drew__b	indeed
2020-01-30 03:25:45	fendor	it should build your library and then your test component
2020-01-30 03:25:50	fendor	then we hopefully see the problem
2020-01-30 03:26:03	drew__b	2020-01-29 15:55:32.88317438 [ThreadId 4] - Ghc error on cradle initialisation: "can't load .so/.DLL for: /nix/store/681354n3k44r8z90m35hm8945vsp95h1-glibc-2.27/lib/libpthread.so (/nix/store/681354n3k44r8z90m35hm8945vsp95h1-glibc-2.27/lib/libpthread.so.0: undefined symbol: __libc_vfork, version GLIBC_PRIVATE)"
2020-01-30 03:26:04	drew__b	###################################################
2020-01-30 03:26:06	drew__b	###################################################
2020-01-30 03:26:08	drew__b	Dumping diagnostics:
2020-01-30 03:26:10	drew__b	/home/drew/code/widengle/test/src/Dyna/Tests/DB/Dyn/HitLog.hs: FAILED
2020-01-30 03:26:12	drew__b	        "can't load .so/.DLL for: /nix/store/681354n3k44r8z90m35hm8945vsp95h1-glibc-2.27/lib/libpthread.so (/nix/store/681354n3k44r8z90m35hm8945vsp95h1-glibc-2.27/lib/libpthread.so.0: undefined symbol: __libc_vfork, version GLIBC_PRIVATE)"
2020-01-30 03:26:14	drew__b	Note: loading of 'Setup.hs' is not supported.
2020-01-30 03:26:16	drew__b	that's the error that breaks it
2020-01-30 03:26:24	drew__b	is this a linking error related to my OS?
2020-01-30 03:27:38	fendor	I am not entirely sure, but potentially
2020-01-30 03:28:04	fendor	is there no pop-up with these messages when you open your lsp-client?
2020-01-30 03:28:42	fendor	so, cabal test succeeds but hie does not? Maybe related somehow to nix/arch discrepancy...
2020-01-30 03:29:22	fendor	but now we've left the area of my expertise. I have never used arch
2020-01-30 03:30:43	drew__b	i'm using nvim and coc.nvim
2020-01-30 03:31:28	infinisil	Fyi all-hies now installs the hie-bios binary
2020-01-30 03:31:29	fendor	and there are no pop-ups? 
2020-01-30 03:31:55	fendor	infinisil, that's nice! which version? 
2020-01-30 03:32:06	infinisil	All of them
2020-01-30 03:32:24	infinisil	(from all-hies master)
2020-01-30 03:32:45	drew__b	@infinisil how do i update?
2020-01-30 03:33:42	fendor	drew__b, I dont think updating resolves your problem. If it really is  "can't load .so/.DLL for:" then the problem is something else
2020-01-30 03:34:19	infinisil	If you installed the normal way by fetching github.com/infinisil/all-hies/tarballs/master then just a `nixos-rebuild switch` (or whatever you use) should do it
2020-01-30 03:36:03	infinisil	drew__b: I see you're running ~/.local/bin/hie here, is there a problem with the Nix-built one though? 
2020-01-30 03:36:38	fendor	infinisil, we just wanted to use a feature that was implemented this month
2020-01-30 03:36:46	infinisil	Ah I see
2020-01-30 03:36:51	fendor	e.g. did not get into last release
2020-01-30 03:37:20	infinisil	Above error might have something to do with Nix usually using its own glibc
2020-01-30 03:37:42	infinisil	While stack might use the one from your OS, which might not be the same version as the one from nix
2020-01-30 03:38:58	jneira	alanz: no ghc-8.4.4 for now?
2020-01-30 03:40:49	alanz	I tried quickly and did not get the deps to work. Have no problem with it being there though
2020-01-30 03:40:54	infinisil	drew__b: But if you don't mind compiling a bit yourself then the unstable version in all-hies might work, it's from ~2 days ago
2020-01-30 03:41:28	infinisil	specifically 970637fa13
2020-01-30 03:41:52	infinisil	Maybe that's too old, but I could update this to master relatively easily if needed
2020-01-30 03:41:52	fendor	infinisil, yeah, that should be new enough
2020-01-30 03:42:05	fendor	I think it was implemented like two weeks ago
2020-01-30 03:42:45	infinisil	Ah, so the next release will be from a state more than two weeks ago?
2020-01-30 03:43:40	fendor	infinisil, what? no, I mean, the next release will be from a state of today. the feature we were using was just implemented two weeks ago and there was no release since
2020-01-30 03:44:21	infinisil	Ohh yeah that makes sense
2020-01-30 03:44:38	 *	infinisil blames the lack of sleep
2020-01-30 03:44:57	fendor	hehe, I always just assume that my terrible grammar confuses people :)
2020-01-30 03:45:11	fendor	and in my defense, my grammar is just as bad in german as it is in english
2020-01-30 03:45:49	infinisil	I'm lucky because my native language doesn't even *have* a grammar! (swiss german :))
2020-01-30 03:46:14	infinisil	(no universally correct one anyways)
2020-01-30 03:46:56	fendor	indeed that is very lucky! 
2020-01-30 03:46:59	drew__b	but if the tests work with the nix'd glibc, then shouldnt hie?
2020-01-30 03:47:03	drew__b	they are all running in nix shell
2020-01-30 03:47:33	fendor	drew__b, yeah it probably should.
2020-01-30 03:48:01	drew__b	there was a similar issue in all-hie @infinisil 
2020-01-30 03:48:03	drew__b	https://github.com/Infinisil/all-hies/issues/17
2020-01-30 03:49:35	drew__b	https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/31846#issuecomment-346435364
2020-01-30 03:49:38	drew__b	i'm gonna try that
2020-01-30 03:49:47	fendor	drew__b, you can try the suggestion of infinisil to install the unstable version in nix. And then try again `hie --debug <path>` and see if the error is different
2020-01-30 03:50:03	drew__b	this is talking about stack leaking into the nix shell
2020-01-30 03:50:17	fendor	drew__b, but you are not using stack, right?
2020-01-30 03:50:48	drew__b	i am on host
2020-01-30 03:50:53	drew__b	and have a ~/.stack dir
2020-01-30 03:50:55	drew__b	had*
2020-01-30 03:50:56	fendor	ok, well good luck
2020-01-30 03:51:00	drew__b	i'm rerunning the debug thing
2020-01-30 03:51:04	drew__b	no dice
2020-01-30 03:51:06	drew__b	same issue
2020-01-30 03:51:08	drew__b	damn
2020-01-30 03:51:16	fendor	I am going to bed, but please link anything you find in the issue
2020-01-30 03:51:26	drew__b	ok thanks for the help
2020-01-30 03:51:45	fendor	you're welcome, I hope you find the problem :/
2020-01-30 03:59:50	drew__b	@infinisil shouldn't "which hie-wraper" tell me the nix hie?
2020-01-30 03:59:55	drew__b	from within my nix-shell?
2020-01-30 04:00:02	drew__b	i'm seeing my system hie now
2020-01-30 04:00:20	infinisil	That depends on what your $PATH is
2020-01-30 04:00:32	infinisil	If the one from the system is before the one from Nix it will prefer those
2020-01-30 04:00:34	drew__b	i have my stack bin in my path
2020-01-30 04:00:38	drew__b	hmm
2020-01-30 04:01:31	drew__b	that's interesting actually
2020-01-30 04:01:47	drew__b	because that debug test would then be using the system ghc, right?
2020-01-30 04:01:54	drew__b	since i have ghc installed with stack on my system
2020-01-30 04:01:56	infinisil	Probably
2020-01-30 04:02:02	drew__b	that could have thrown off the test
2020-01-30 04:02:16	infinisil	There is nix-shell --pure to clear such impurities from env vars
2020-01-30 04:02:50	infinisil	Though I guess you don't have a nix-shell'able thing here
2020-01-30 04:03:21	drew__b	we're using impure for some reasons
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2020-01-30 04:23:20	alanz	https://circleci.com/workflow-run/9631ba2c-6905-49ca-b1cd-59ca6e0bdc68
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2020-01-30 04:28:13	jneira	wow this goes fast :-)
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2020-01-30 04:33:58	jneira	i miss the conciseness of `hie`in the console but i guess `hide` is not a good name :-P
2020-01-30 04:34:41	jneira	maybe `hyde`would be  better
2020-01-30 04:35:51	alanz	jneira, I hope it is just an adjustment process and then we get used to it. I did like "hie" though. Sounded cheerful
2020-01-30 04:36:05	alanz	And cute names always get really stale
2020-01-30 04:38:25	jneira	alanz: you have admin rights in the repo? great
2020-01-30 04:40:16	alanz	yes. And I discovered various of the committee members are really responsive too.Especially Jasper
2020-01-30 04:41:16	alanz	jneira, I have the same rights as on the haskell-ide-engine one
2020-01-30 04:41:26	alanz	So not sure if I can help with azure or appveyor
2020-01-30 04:41:59	alanz	Circle CI works against the github account, which i logged into it using. 
2020-01-30 04:42:10	jneira	oh
2020-01-30 04:43:14	jneira	I see
2020-01-30 04:43:46	alanz	I just merged that PR, I expect it to take at least an hour to build, and I will not be available then
2020-01-30 04:44:12	alanz	When I did "stack test" locally it ran the ghcide tests too.
2020-01-30 04:44:13	jneira	i have to go to bed too, good night!
2020-01-30 04:44:31	alanz	good night. Exciting times
2020-01-30 04:44:45	jneira	yeah we have to add `ide` to all stack/cabal commands
2020-01-30 04:45:12	alanz	https://circleci.com/workflow-run/82c3cab1-7f7d-4134-bc06-745a3cff35a3
2020-01-30 04:45:39	alanz	For now, running ghcide tests is not a bad thing, since we dont have our own
2020-01-30 04:45:48	alanz	some did fail, with certain stack setups
2020-01-30 04:45:53	alanz	we will see when CI ends
2020-01-30 04:46:25	jneira	mmm maybe we could ad ghcide in extra-deps instead as a local package
2020-01-30 04:46:30	jneira	*add
2020-01-30 04:47:38	alanz	good point, that is how we did the other ones.
2020-01-30 04:47:55	alanz	I just copied the hie ones and replaced hie-plugin-api with ghcide
2020-01-30 04:48:10	alanz	I am keen to see if they pass though
2020-01-30 04:49:50	alanz	Once we have install, we need to update the LSP clients to be configurable to use ide.  But I only want to do that once we know that multi-component works
2020-01-30 04:50:13	alanz	Or maybe we do it, but keep hie the default.
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2020-01-30 05:08:40	drew__b	do any of you happen to use coc.nvim with hie?
2020-01-30 05:10:26	alanz	not me
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2020-01-30 21:41:36	drew__b	i think I'm going to try the identical HIE/nix setup on ubuntu
2020-01-30 21:41:41	drew__b	to see if i get the same issues
2020-01-30 21:41:45	drew__b	probably this weekend
2020-01-30 21:41:51	drew__b	and i can report back if it's isolated to arch
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2020-01-30 22:48:32	drew__b	@infinisil how do I get that new hie-bios bin you pushed
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2020-01-30 23:04:00	drew__b	or maybe the `hie --debug` functionality
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2020-01-30 23:21:56	infinisil	Just updating as I mentioned yesterday
2020-01-30 23:22:00	infinisil	Oh, they're gone
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2020-01-31 02:34:34	alanz	Help / PR wanted: https://github.com/haskell/ide/issues/23
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2020-01-31 02:55:24	mpickering	alanz: Isn't Moritz doing that in ghcide?
2020-01-31 02:55:28	mpickering	It is a bit non-trivial
2020-01-31 02:55:41	alanz	the multi-component stuff?
2020-01-31 02:56:02	alanz	I know it is happening, just want to surface it in a tracking ticket
2020-01-31 02:56:39	drew__b	is that the multi-cradle stuff?
2020-01-31 02:56:58	drew__b	that's definitely the thing keeping me from swapping from hie to ghcide
2020-01-31 02:57:54	alanz	I updated the issue to refer to the ghcide PR
2020-01-31 02:58:08	alanz	mpickering, what makes it non-trivial?
2020-01-31 02:58:46	mpickering	To implement it efficiently you want to only have one HscEnv
2020-01-31 02:58:53	mpickering	and then modify the flags used to compile each component
2020-01-31 02:59:04	mpickering	but working out which component depends on which is apparently a bit of a challenge
2020-01-31 02:59:24	alanz	yes. And the original driver behind cabal-helper
2020-01-31 03:01:00	mpickering	however it is possible because you can look at the unit-id that cabal reports to work out which component is which and which other ones it depends on
2020-01-31 03:02:23	alanz	yes. And iirc lukelau was looking into an info command that is in the new Cabal lib that does that too. Backported to 3.0
2020-01-31 03:02:50	alanz	Which is the last thing I saw him looking at when I left on Sunday afternoon
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2020-01-31 03:08:45	jneira	that sounds really good
2020-01-31 03:10:34	jneira	fendor's one: https://github.com/haskell/cabal/pull/6241
2020-01-31 03:10:37	jneira	??
2020-01-31 03:11:11	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/cabal/pull/6108
2020-01-31 03:11:13	alanz	yes
2020-01-31 03:11:20	alanz	just looked it up
2020-01-31 03:11:53	alanz	so it is not in cabal the exe, but *is* in the lib. Which is fine.
2020-01-31 03:12:27	jneira	mmm merge prs in cabal is mmm, how can i say it? complicated?
2020-01-31 03:14:59	alanz	yes indeed
2020-01-31 03:15:17	alanz	But it is a massively complicated and critical part of the infrastructure
2020-01-31 03:15:33	alanz	Main thing is it is on all of our machines, right now
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2020-01-31 04:08:21	jneira	yeah, it seems it is way easier wrap it to add new features: see cabal-extras f.e.
2020-01-31 04:09:56	alanz	good to have examples
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2020-01-31 04:47:41	fendor	uff, I need to get back to #6241... and my other open cabal pr's :/
2020-01-31 04:52:00	jneira	i have a pr in cabal-helper looking at me with sad face :-P 
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2020-01-31 14:49:55	mpickering	cocreature: Does your multicomponent branch work well enough to test yet?
2020-01-31 14:51:42	cocreature	mpickering: not really, it’s in an awkward state between using multiple HscEnv’s and using a single HscEnv while not handling -inplace flags properly
2020-01-31 14:52:38	mpickering	Can you see a way forward?
2020-01-31 15:02:26	cocreature	not sure when I’ll find the time to continue work on it
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2020-01-31 15:17:38	cocreature	happy for someone else to take it over. it’s just not really a priority at work atm and my time (and admittedly motivation) for ghcide outside of work is a bit limited
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2020-01-31 15:22:16	mpickering	cocreature: That's completely understandable, if you communicate that on the ticket then people will know that it's somewhere they can help 
2020-01-31 15:28:56	cocreature	mpickering: good idea, I’ll leave a comment
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2020-01-31 22:21:06	alanz	The comment about asking for someone to take the baton on multi-component is https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/pull/361#issuecomment-580667276
2020-01-31 22:21:23	alanz	dxld, mpickering, fendor, ???? ^^
2020-01-31 22:21:56	 *	alanz puts dxld first because that's where his regexp looks
2020-01-31 23:00:05	dxld	:)
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2020-01-31 23:59:20	mpickering	fendor: did you do the release?
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2020-02-01 00:43:23	fendor	mpickering, not yet
2020-02-01 00:43:33	fendor	are you ok with a release now?
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2020-02-01 15:25:14	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/ide/pull/31
2020-02-01 15:25:38	alanz	Rename to haskell-language-server, which seems to be the popular choice. I can see us referring to hls
2020-02-01 15:54:10	alanz	heads-up: I am going to start the process of preparing a hie release
2020-02-01 15:58:53	alanz	cocreature, the ghcide type WithResponse has withResponseMessage has the actual handler with signature (LSP.LspFuncs () -> IdeState -> req -> IO resp).
2020-02-01 15:59:31	alanz	This sets the "response" field in the returned req/resp message. How do I set the error field? with fail?
2020-02-01 16:00:16	alanz	s/response/result/
2020-02-01 16:05:29	alanz	See also https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/issues/191#issuecomment-581016698
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2020-02-01 16:32:57	alanz	fendor, fyi I am starting to bump resolvers, heading for release this weekend
2020-02-01 16:33:48	fendor	alanz, ok! I am trying to land in the hie-bios release into the release to fix some long standing issues. 
2020-02-01 16:34:07	thkoch	Is anybody at Fosdem?
2020-02-01 16:34:17	alanz	ok. That is a major change, so maybe it is better that it lands after release
2020-02-01 16:34:26	alanz	thkoch, lukelau said he was going
2020-02-01 16:34:57	alanz	which reminds me, there is a talk I want to watch. IOT and elixir, I think
2020-02-01 16:36:05	alanz	wow, there is a lot going on there
2020-02-01 16:36:06	thkoch	alanz: I've updated the Debian package of emacs-lsp. If somebody could tag lsp-ui and maybe also lsp-haskell, I could make a clean, updated package and not some ugly date-version string
2020-02-01 16:36:13	alanz	https://fosdem.org/2020/schedule/day/sunday/
2020-02-01 16:36:48	alanz	thkoch, probably best to open an issue against those repos.
2020-02-01 16:37:20	alanz	lsp-ui is not one I can do, I need to give lsp-haskell some love, so can do it with that
2020-02-01 16:37:22	thkoch	Ups, sorry. It wasn't you who worked most on those... 
2020-02-01 16:37:37	alanz	np
2020-02-01 16:37:47	thkoch	Is there an update on stackage presence? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/328
2020-02-01 16:38:43	alanz	that will never happen, it will be the new haskell-language-server instead. I think. We are actually very close to being able to do that, but I think it will get too confusing in the medium term
2020-02-01 16:40:00	fendor	alanz, yeah it is, but it lands a fix for https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1490 
2020-02-01 16:40:41	alanz	so we should wait? I am ok with that
2020-02-01 16:40:48	alanz	so long as it happens today
2020-02-01 16:44:04	alanz	this haddock-api point release not being on hackage is a pain
2020-02-01 16:44:28	fendor	yeah, that makes sense. If I cant land it today, then dont wait for it.
2020-02-01 16:44:55	fendor	mpickering, sorry for pestering, I just wanna check in if you are fine with a release of hie-bios or you think we need to change something?
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2020-02-01 18:43:33	mpickering	fendor: I think so? I didn't look again after our call
2020-02-01 19:00:45	fendor	mpickering, I addressed your feedback, appropriately. In specific, I added a show isntance for CradleConfig that shows the yaml value
2020-02-01 19:01:10	fendor	https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/146/files
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2020-02-01 22:08:39	alanz	The rename just merged. https://github.com/haskell/ide/pull/31
2020-02-01 22:08:58	alanz	or, in non-passive phrasing. I just renamed the project.
2020-02-01 22:14:11	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server
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2020-02-01 22:44:41	mpickering	fendor: Go for it
2020-02-01 22:50:20	fendor	mpickering, thanks! 
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2020-02-02 01:02:27	alanz	fendor, I am happy for the hie-bios update to land. Without [WIP] prefix
2020-02-02 01:02:51	fendor	alanz, unfortunately, I am not yet happy with it :( 
2020-02-02 01:03:00	fendor	also, test failure
2020-02-02 01:03:01	alanz	fair enough
2020-02-02 01:03:21	fendor	do you know what could cause this https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1490 ?
2020-02-02 01:04:13	fendor	I dont think this is my fault, but at the same time, it is not failing in master, iirc
2020-02-02 01:04:17	alanz	fendor, my knowledge of the whole hie-bios zone is actually pretty limited, tbh. So no, I don't
2020-02-02 01:04:54	alanz	I think sometimes you have to move forward with cleaner versions of things, then clean up as you go along.
2020-02-02 01:05:10	fendor	yeah... it is weird, the stack stuff is unchanged and the tests use stack...
2020-02-02 01:05:37	fendor	in my last commit, windows CI was failing with a failing build-plan, so if it doesnt build at least, this Pr can not be merged
2020-02-02 01:06:07	alanz	I realised a while back that some of the tests are pretty fragile. Which points to solidifying the test infrastructure over time. It's happening, but a tricky thing to sort out
2020-02-02 01:07:09	alanz	ok. I notice the 17h hackage snapshot seems to work for you. The one from earlier today had weird problems for me, around cabal-helper having multiple versions of the same dep. Differing only by hash.
2020-02-02 01:07:20	fendor	yeah, I think tests are often subject to bit-rot.
2020-02-02 01:07:33	fendor	alanz, oh yeah, jneira and me have encountered these problems quite often now
2020-02-02 01:07:45	fendor	and I? probably and I
2020-02-02 01:07:55	alanz	the fragility issue?
2020-02-02 01:07:59	fendor	no cabal-helper
2020-02-02 01:08:04	alanz	ah.
2020-02-02 01:08:13	alanz	it's a complex package
2020-02-02 01:08:31	fendor	https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/6483
2020-02-02 01:08:48	alanz	fwiw, either "and I" or "and me" would work there. Us english speakers confuse ourselves about the rule
2020-02-02 01:08:49	fendor	nah, I think it was related to internal libs and cabal not handling them correctly
2020-02-02 01:09:02	alanz	ok
2020-02-02 01:09:45	fendor	why does it work here either way? Is there some rule to it or is more gut feeling when to use what?
2020-02-02 01:10:40	alanz	gut feeling
2020-02-02 01:10:41	fendor	however, it is probably a cabal bug
2020-02-02 01:11:05	fendor	nice, I was always terrible with gut feelings in languages :)
2020-02-02 01:14:17	alanz	well, you only develop that over a long time. You probably have them for your own first language
2020-02-02 01:15:33	fendor	yeah true. german articles are said to be hard to learn and they are fairly random
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2020-02-02 01:21:07	sureyeaah	Hello! 
2020-02-02 01:22:13	sureyeaah	I'm interested in working on hls. I've previously worked on clangd (c++ language server). How can I contribute?
2020-02-02 01:25:05	fendor	sureyeaah, nice, I really like clangd! Do you have anything specific in mind or do you just want to start contributing?
2020-02-02 01:28:18	sureyeaah	Nothing specific in mind. I wanted to add more refactoring support to hie but I'm guessing that's not the priority right now?
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2020-02-02 01:29:40	fendor	sureyeaah, no, first priority is to get something working :D 
2020-02-02 01:29:56	fendor	there are some open issues but I suppose they are hard to tackle without prior knowledge
2020-02-02 01:31:56	sureyeaah	Anything else I could do?
2020-02-02 01:32:28	alanz	sureyeaah, we are like a building site right now, rearranging stuff, junk everywehere
2020-02-02 01:32:48	alanz	so a bit hard to jump in for a new person
2020-02-02 01:33:07	 *	alanz chuffed to see "hls" used in the wild for the first time
2020-02-02 01:33:46	fendor	yeah I agree. To getting started, it could make sense trying to understand the architecture of ghcide...
2020-02-02 01:35:51	alanz	and/or take a look at the Example plugin in hls
2020-02-02 01:36:03	alanz	as a start for learning
2020-02-02 01:36:33	sureyeaah	fendor: Any pointers for ghcide?
2020-02-02 01:36:49	sureyeaah	alanz: Sounds good, I'll take a look at it.
2020-02-02 01:37:11	fendor	no, I got nothing on ghcide so far. Need to start understanding it myself ;D 
2020-02-02 01:37:16	alanz	and real soon now there will be an example formatter to look at
2020-02-02 01:37:42	fendor	are diagnostics already working? Like, real diagnostics from ghc?
2020-02-02 01:38:15	alanz	main thing to bear in mind is that it is like a makefile, you define dependencies (rules) and how to satisfy them (actions)
2020-02-02 01:38:34	alanz	And anything you know about Shake will help
2020-02-02 01:38:56	alanz	disclaimer: I have very little Shake knowledge
2020-02-02 01:39:04	fendor	maybe helpful: https://ndmitchell.com/downloads/slides-making_a_haskell_ide-07_sep_2019.pdf
2020-02-02 01:39:11	fendor	https://neilmitchell.blogspot.com/2019/07/thoughts-for-haskell-ide.html
2020-02-02 01:39:27	fendor	for the former there is a video of the event
2020-02-02 01:39:34	fendor	*presentation
2020-02-02 01:39:44	sureyeaah	fendor: I just went through the video :)
2020-02-02 01:40:23	cocreature	fendor: diagnostics work, they’ve been part of ghcide from the beginning
2020-02-02 01:40:36	fendor	cocreature, I mean in haskell-language-server
2020-02-02 01:40:51	sureyeaah	alanz: okay thanks, I'll keep that in mind.
2020-02-02 01:41:07	fendor	e.g. if the machinery is already in place
2020-02-02 01:41:12	cocreature	fendor: at this point, haskell-language-server isn’t really different from ghcide in any meaningful way
2020-02-02 01:41:26	cocreature	it just uses ghcide as library and wraps it an the main executable copied from the ghcide repo
2020-02-02 01:41:37	alanz	from the outside. Inside they are very different
2020-02-02 01:41:38	cocreature	so it has the same features and limitations
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2020-02-02 01:41:49	alanz	from the "adding stuff" perspective
2020-02-02 01:41:55	cocreature	how so?
2020-02-02 01:42:09	fendor	sureyeaah, nice, then you know as much as me :) My course of action will be start understanding ghcide
2020-02-02 01:42:32	fendor	cocreature, ok, nice! wasnt sure if that already was ready
2020-02-02 01:42:45	jneira	me too! :-D
2020-02-02 01:43:07	alanz	cocreature, we just have different APIs for plugins. At the moment
2020-02-02 01:44:03	cocreature	alanz: are you confusing haskell-language-server with haskell-ide-engine? I thought hls literally just uses the shake-style plugins that we have in ghcide
2020-02-02 01:44:08	alanz	But that is changing. Or rather, we are working to make contributing without having deep knowledge of the underlying architecture relatively straightofrward
2020-02-02 01:44:30	alanz	cocreature, yes, sorry
2020-02-02 01:44:45	alanz	hls is just a thin layer on top. Doing *very* little
2020-02-02 01:45:02	sureyeaah	alanz: I'm also interested in gsoc 2020. Will that focus on hie or hls?
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2020-02-02 01:45:11	alanz	hls
2020-02-02 01:45:22	alanz	hie is rear view mirror stuff from now on
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2020-02-02 01:46:13	fendor	:'(
2020-02-02 01:46:17	alanz	and there is potentially good GSOC opportunity in making hls more polished, for dev input
2020-02-02 01:46:34	alanz	fendor, in a good way. We bring all the best parts of each to the new one
2020-02-02 01:46:36	fendor	cocreature, while you are here, do you have a recommendation what might be a good start learning ghcide?
2020-02-02 01:46:43	alanz	nothing you have been doing gets wasted
2020-02-02 01:47:10	fendor	yeah true. Except some documentation, maybe :)
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2020-02-02 01:47:47	alanz	well, some of that will be applicable too, I am sure. With a bit of adaptation
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2020-02-02 01:48:16	fendor	yeah. but it is true that documentation bitrots so fast. hie-bios documentation needs an overhaul again
2020-02-02 01:48:19	alanz	cocreature, If I want to get dynflags for a given module (parsed), how would I do it in ghcide?
2020-02-02 01:48:39	alanz	fendor, it should start stabilising soon at least
2020-02-02 01:48:49	sureyeaah	alanz, is the hie gsoc issue still the place to go for more discussion on this?
2020-02-02 01:48:53	jneira	fendor: all the amazing work with implicit cradle will be needed 
2020-02-02 01:49:05	alanz	jneira, 100%
2020-02-02 01:49:36	alanz	sureyeaah, the best approach is to dive in ,learn, make PRs, prove yourself to the people here
2020-02-02 01:50:03	alanz	The ideas are just ideas, to keep GSOC admin happy. Actual submissions can be things that are not there
2020-02-02 01:50:10	fendor	hopefully, assuming I didnt screw up the hie-bios release :)
2020-02-02 01:50:39	alanz	And I am happy not to put too much stuff on there, tbh, else we get a million people wanting to do stuff, and we have no insight into their abilities
2020-02-02 01:50:40	jneira	i started to use hie to write haskell, find some issues for windows and here i am :-P
2020-02-02 01:51:06	fendor	jneira, thank you! very kind of you :) it needs an overhaul, too, probably ;D But that's just software
2020-02-02 01:52:06	alanz	cocreature, nvm, pretty sure they Dynflags I need are in the ParseSource somewhere
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2020-02-02 01:53:59	fendor	jneira, I think you fixed all our windows problems alone
2020-02-02 01:54:26	sureyeaah	alanz, gotcha, thanks!
2020-02-02 01:57:02	alanz	jneira, I am very glad that windows is getting attention. Its a very tricky platform, especially if you are not a user
2020-02-02 01:58:58	cocreature	fendor: I don’t really have a better recommendation than Neil’s talk and then just staring at the source sadly.
2020-02-02 01:59:34	jneira	fendor: he they never end to rise up :-P, the real fix will be replace ist kernel with a linux one :-D
2020-02-02 02:00:10	alanz	What I can say, is once you get your head around the ghcide architecture it is a thing of beauty
2020-02-02 02:00:17	fendor	cocreature, that's fine. It is something we have to do anyways at some point. But currently, you are not interested in something such as an hsimport plugin, right?
2020-02-02 02:00:59	fendor	jneira, that would be so hilarious. But it seems not even that unrealistic at the moment ^^
2020-02-02 02:01:08	alanz	fendor, to me one of the useful things to do is to build in hlint and apply-refact
2020-02-02 02:01:43	alanz	cocreature, you guys have something like hlint built in already somewhere? I am assuming we just get the VFS source, and call hlint
2020-02-02 02:02:15	fendor	ghcide isnt using VFS source, right? or at least, not the one from haskell-lsp?
2020-02-02 02:02:20	 *	alanz anyway, family time
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2020-02-02 03:21:27	mpickering	fendor: We can have a call if you like at some point if you want me to explain the architecture
2020-02-02 03:22:15	mpickering	alanz: If you're interested in beautiful things then perhaps you're interested in my reflex rewrite of ghcide :) 
2020-02-02 03:24:00	alanz	mpickering: I have been thinking that the ghcide architecture led you into frp. And considering following. So many shiny things out there though.
2020-02-02 03:24:06	fendor	mpickering, that would be great, but I'd have to get familiar with it first! but after that it would be great for answering questions, if there are any
2020-02-02 03:24:39	mpickering	It really is not that complicated, I say after spending 15 hours in the last two days trying to fix a bug :) 
2020-02-02 03:24:52	alanz	fendor: ghcide does use vfs source,  but not the temp file stuff
2020-02-02 03:25:49	alanz	I.e it uses the in-memory version, feeds it to ghc that way
2020-02-02 03:27:36	alanz	Look at the code for getParsedSource
2020-02-02 03:29:37	mpickering	The issue with the architecture is that hover performance is too bad alanz 
2020-02-02 03:29:56	mpickering	It scales linearly with number of transitive dependencies
2020-02-02 03:29:59	mpickering	which is not good
2020-02-02 03:30:02	mpickering	1s for ghc Main module
2020-02-02 03:31:48	alanz	Yes, but I have an idea for that. Decouple the shake graph from the main loop. Like we do in hiw
2020-02-02 03:31:51	alanz	Hie
2020-02-02 03:32:06	fendor	I think the idea is simple and beautiful after watching the talk and quite intuitive, too. Still, need some experience with it :) 
2020-02-02 03:32:35	alanz	So give it a tug on request,  but return empty if not immediately available 
2020-02-02 03:32:59	mpickering	sounds like how my reflex implementation works 🤔
2020-02-02 03:33:10	mpickering	The timeline will be about 9 months for another complete rewrite anyway :) 
2020-02-02 03:33:46	mpickering	I have got a masters student who will work on it, so we'll see what happens
2020-02-02 03:33:57	mpickering	It is certainly an experiment at the moment
2020-02-02 03:36:56	alanz	And well worth doing
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2020-02-02 12:22:50	cocreature	alanz: our dlint integration takes the AST instead of reparsing the module which is a bit more efficient, see https://github.com/digital-asset/daml/blob/master/compiler/damlc/daml-ide-core/src/Development/IDE/Core/Rules/Daml.hs#L967
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2020-02-02 15:46:12	alanz	cocreature, sounds like a great approach. thanks.
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2020-02-02 19:01:09	alanz	fendor, there are two things pending for a hie release. Bumping the resolvers, and hie-bios 0.4
2020-02-02 19:01:32	alanz	The CI state for the resolver bump confuses me, I suspect I can just merge. Any ideas?
2020-02-02 19:01:38	alanz	jneira, ^^
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2020-02-02 20:35:58	lukelau	Hey, sorry I’ve been awol this week, things have been busy. I just got an email about the GSoC organisations deadline, and was thinking we should submit hls as a project idea
2020-02-02 20:36:08	lukelau	Cc: alanz
2020-02-02 20:44:49	alanz	lukelau: we could, but ideas are just about getting the organization in.  If we are in, then anything can be submitted. 
2020-02-02 20:45:20	alanz	My worry is that we end up with a million submissions from people who are not up to speed.
2020-02-02 20:45:48	alanz	I would prefer to have people care a bit, show up here first, contribute, etc.
2020-02-02 20:46:04	alanz	fendor: are you thinking of applying ?
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2020-02-02 21:49:41	lukelau	alanz: ok. Provided that the organisation does get in though, this summer would be a great opportunity to get more work on bootstrapping hls
2020-02-02 22:04:21	fendor	alanz, yes, I am thinking about it
2020-02-02 22:04:53	fendor	alanz, regarding hie-bios update, some test is failing for every CI except for ghc 8.6.5 and I dont know why :/ should we still merge? 
2020-02-02 23:01:48	alanz	fendor: I reckon we should merge, and get the release out.
2020-02-02 23:08:42	fendor	alanz, If you are fine with it. We can disable the test-case or just create an issue, whatever you prefer
2020-02-02 23:10:00	alanz	I think we mark the test case pendingWith, create an issue, and merge
2020-02-02 23:11:57	fendor	ok, great
2020-02-02 23:12:01	fendor	will do immediately
2020-02-02 23:16:59	fendor	alanz, merge when CI is green
2020-02-02 23:17:32	alanz	great.
2020-02-02 23:18:20	alanz	Then I will revisit my bump-resolvers PR, get that in, and start on the release process. Which is likely to only complete tomorrow, given CI delays and the like. Which is not a big problem.
2020-02-02 23:21:38	fendor	ok, thank you! 
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2020-02-02 23:25:20	drew__b	if i installed ghcide via stack - should that binary still work for a cabal project?
2020-02-02 23:26:09	fendor	drew__b, yes
2020-02-02 23:26:36	alanz	fendor, do you have anything to add here? https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/issues/387#issuecomment-581151178
2020-02-02 23:27:07	drew__b	If you are seeing this in a terminal, you probably should have ru
2020-02-02 23:27:10	drew__b	2020-02-02T11:56:33.424 DEBUG (pid:60555) [language-client-index] - [languageserver.haskell] n ghcide WITHOUT the --lsp option!
2020-02-02 23:27:12	drew__b	y
2020-02-02 23:27:19	drew__b	is that a concern?
2020-02-02 23:27:50	drew__b	it's not working in my new cabal project, I've used ghcide in all my stack projects so far without issue
2020-02-02 23:28:14	fendor	alanz, we did roughly the same in hie as the described approach
2020-02-02 23:28:34	alanz	ok. Good to confirm
2020-02-02 23:29:53	fendor	I am writing a response
2020-02-02 23:30:25	alanz	great
2020-02-02 23:34:02	fendor	drew__b, if you use ghcide without the lsp option, then you are not using it as your language server
2020-02-02 23:34:08	fendor	so you should pass in the --lsp option
2020-02-02 23:34:16	drew__b	yeah that's what i figure
2020-02-02 23:34:25	drew__b	is there a different setup i need when i'm using cabal?
2020-02-02 23:34:32	drew__b	i've only used stack for projects in the past
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2020-02-02 23:34:43	drew__b	and ghcide is on my path via `~/.local/bin`
2020-02-02 23:34:47	drew__b	installed with stack
2020-02-02 23:35:02	fendor	doesnt matter
2020-02-02 23:35:03	drew__b	the cabal project is ghc 865, same with the stack project i use it with
2020-02-02 23:35:05	drew__b	hmm
2020-02-02 23:35:15	drew__b	cabal install fails
2020-02-02 23:35:20	drew__b	but cabal new-build works
2020-02-02 23:35:28	fendor	cabal v2-repl must succeed
2020-02-02 23:35:43	fendor	then it should work just fine
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2020-02-02 23:44:02	drew__b	is there a difference between v2 and new?
2020-02-02 23:44:21	drew__b	cabal v2-repl works
2020-02-02 23:44:30	drew__b	ghcide doesn't do anything, no errors in the log
2020-02-02 23:44:41	drew__b	is there a `ghcide --debug`?
2020-02-02 23:47:28	drew__b	the command `ghcide` fails with things like Could not find module ‘Control.Lens’
2020-02-02 23:47:35	drew__b	even though `lens` is a dep
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2020-02-03 00:15:59	drew__b	so the server runs, however ghcide doesn't seem to work
2020-02-03 00:16:10	drew__b	do i need to have a cradle file?
2020-02-03 00:47:36	jneira	drew__b `cabal v2-build`and `cabal new-build` are equivalent 
2020-02-03 00:47:50	jneira	a cradle file would help
2020-02-03 00:48:34	drew__b	yeah it was cradle
2020-02-03 00:48:39	drew__b	you need it for cabal apparently
2020-02-03 00:48:44	drew__b	that should be in the readme for ghcide IMO
2020-02-03 00:53:05	jneira	it has a link to hie-bios, the library that defines and reads the hie.yaml.file, if i remember correctly
2020-02-03 00:53:52	drew__b	yeah it does
2020-02-03 00:54:02	drew__b	however the ghcide documentation makes it seem as if that's a fallback
2020-02-03 00:54:17	drew__b	when it seems like the reality is that it's only a fallback for stack project, and required for cabal
2020-02-03 00:55:39	jneira	mmm, i thought it worked for very simple cabal projects, but anyway it would need some clarification
2020-02-03 00:55:52	jneira	good chance to make a pr ;-)
2020-02-03 00:56:19	jneira	the pov of a user stating to use it is valuable
2020-02-03 00:56:37	jneira	*starting
2020-02-03 01:19:54	drew__b	alright
2020-02-03 01:20:06	drew__b	is this getting sunsetted thouhg?
2020-02-03 01:20:12	drew__b	in favor of haskell language server?
2020-02-03 01:22:15	alanz	drew__b, yes
2020-02-03 01:22:27	drew__b	maybe ill hold off on the PR then
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2020-02-03 01:26:43	jneira	:+1:
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2020-02-03 04:13:00	alanz	fendor, I think I am about to push the button on the hie-bios update
2020-02-03 04:13:07	alanz	jneira, ^^
2020-02-03 04:14:22	jneira	:+1:
2020-02-03 04:14:48	alanz	done
2020-02-03 04:14:49	alanz	:)
2020-02-03 04:15:33	jneira	i'll remove stack.yaml from windows ci
2020-02-03 04:16:05	alanz	cool. And I am about to rebase my dependencies bump, which should be a nop, it was already based on that.
2020-02-03 04:16:17	alanz	So the order for your change and mine should not matter
2020-02-03 05:02:30	fendor	alanz, ok!
2020-02-03 05:03:23	alanz	fendor, the merge is done. My bump-resolvers is done. But the cabal build has that problem about the haddock-api
2020-02-03 05:03:46	alanz	And I was just reading the cabal.project docs to see if we could do some kind of conditional thing
2020-02-03 05:03:48	fendor	all cabal builds or just the latest, e.g. ghc 8.8* ?
2020-02-03 05:04:26	alanz	I think our circleCI builds with GHC 8.8.1. Not sure, but it did fail one of the earlier tests. Currently in a queue though
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2020-02-03 05:04:43	alanz	Will have to look tomorrow, about to have to go to bed
2020-02-03 05:05:15	alanz	If you want to tweak and/or merge that PR tomorrow be my guest. I am going to be pretty tied up
2020-02-03 05:05:15	fendor	yeah that is fine with me! 
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2020-02-03 05:07:11	 *	alanz thinks, this has been a really productive weekend :)
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2020-02-03 13:06:05	jneira_	how can we use the new haskell-language-server project in vscode?
2020-02-03 13:06:17	jneira_	with the ghcide vscode extension?
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2020-02-03 22:00:42	reactormonk	Does the vscode plugin support importing? Doesn't seem to find anything.
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2020-02-03 22:18:49	fendor	reactormonk, import of non-local symbols works if you built a local hoogle db before that
2020-02-03 22:19:08	fendor	it doesnt work for symbols that come from your project
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2020-02-03 22:56:27	drew__b	@infinisil , if I run this - will it update the binary I'm using?
2020-02-03 22:56:28	drew__b	nix-env -iA selection --arg selector 'p: { inherit (p) ghc864; }' -f https://github.com/infinisil/all-hies/tarball/master
2020-02-03 22:57:31	infinisil	yup
2020-02-03 22:58:23	drew__b	i have hie-bios!
2020-02-03 22:59:07	drew__b	@jneira , what was the hie-bios debug command you wanted me to run?
2020-02-03 22:59:14	drew__b	was is `hie-bios debug test:test`?
2020-02-03 22:59:42	fendor	drew__b, not a component but a filepath
2020-02-03 22:59:53	drew__b	hie-bios debug test/src
2020-02-03 22:59:56	drew__b	ok
2020-02-03 23:00:02	fendor	real filepath, not directory
2020-02-03 23:00:07	fendor	filepath to a module
2020-02-03 23:00:21	drew__b	just pick a module?
2020-02-03 23:00:34	fendor	yeah
2020-02-03 23:00:41	drew__b	that command is "working"
2020-02-03 23:00:44	drew__b	it's doing something
2020-02-03 23:01:48	drew__b	there is no output, is that expected? it's chugging
2020-02-03 23:02:10	fendor	there should be output at the end
2020-02-03 23:02:19	fendor	but it may take a while
2020-02-03 23:02:22	drew__b	yeah it outputted
2020-02-03 23:02:24	drew__b	no errors
2020-02-03 23:02:37	drew__b	it's like a big thing that has System libs, dependencies, etcv
2020-02-03 23:03:00	fendor	yeah, that is already quite nice
2020-02-03 23:03:08	fendor	and `hie-bios check ...` also works?
2020-02-03 23:03:54	drew__b	is the `...` the same file path?
2020-02-03 23:04:20	fendor	yeah
2020-02-03 23:04:44	fendor	check the exit status with `echo $?`, assuming you are not on windows
2020-02-03 23:05:02	drew__b	wait maybe my cradle is bad?
2020-02-03 23:05:08	drew__b	i have this in my .cabal file
2020-02-03 23:05:24	drew__b	test-suite test
2020-02-03 23:05:35	drew__b	  hs-source-dirs:
2020-02-03 23:05:38	drew__b	      test/src
2020-02-03 23:05:39	drew__b	y
2020-02-03 23:05:47	fendor	does `cabal v2-repl test:test` suuceed? 
2020-02-03 23:05:47	drew__b	and my hie.yaml has
2020-02-03 23:05:49	drew__b	    - path: "./test/src"
2020-02-03 23:05:51	drew__b	      component: "test:test"
2020-02-03 23:05:57	fendor	yeah, looks fine
2020-02-03 23:06:10	drew__b	do i need to chage that from "test" to "test-suite"?
2020-02-03 23:06:22	drew__b	hie-bios check is taking MUCH longer
2020-02-03 23:06:25	drew__b	hasnt finished yet
2020-02-03 23:06:35	drew__b	does `cabal v2-repl test:test` suuceed? -- yes
2020-02-03 23:06:38	fendor	no, that looks fine
2020-02-03 23:06:44	fendor	yeah, then everything is fine
2020-02-03 23:07:10	drew__b	something is failing to load the cradle in test/src
2020-02-03 23:07:13	drew__b	when in vim
2020-02-03 23:07:18	drew__b	but works in src
2020-02-03 23:07:38	drew__b	hie-bios check ... - still chugging
2020-02-03 23:07:42	fendor	is there an error message?
2020-02-03 23:07:50	drew__b	no, is there a verbose mode?
2020-02-03 23:08:05	drew__b	there is no output at all
2020-02-03 23:08:06	fendor	yeah
2020-02-03 23:08:11	fendor	how are you starting hie?
2020-02-03 23:08:21	fendor	you need to pass the `--debug` flag to it
2020-02-03 23:08:24	drew__b	yikes, it's hung
2020-02-03 23:08:36	fendor	what's stuck? hie-bios or hie?
2020-02-03 23:08:51	drew__b	command line "hie-bios check ..."
2020-02-03 23:09:34	drew__b	you're saying that i need to pass `--debug` to my coc.nvim config?
2020-02-03 23:09:37	drew__b	that seems interesting
2020-02-03 23:10:09	fendor	i dont know how coc works, so, maybe? the command should like `hie --lsp --debug` or `hie-wrapper --lsp --debug`
2020-02-03 23:10:09	drew__b	`$ hie-bios check --debug  ...`
2020-02-03 23:10:16	drew__b	hmm
2020-02-03 23:10:18	drew__b	ok
2020-02-03 23:10:20	fendor	`hie-bios` does not have a `--debug` flag
2020-02-03 23:11:54	drew__b	ok trying that now
2020-02-03 23:13:23	drew__b	wayyyy more output in the logs
2020-02-03 23:13:25	drew__b	this is better
2020-02-03 23:13:53	fendor	yeah, please link the logs via a pastebin or gist.github.com or something like that
2020-02-03 23:14:14	drew__b	ummmm, it's working now?
2020-02-03 23:14:16	drew__b	wtf
2020-02-03 23:15:04	fendor	lol. Opened the right test-file?
2020-02-03 23:15:15	fendor	Can you try, does it cease to work if you are not in debug mode?
2020-02-03 23:15:15	drew__b	i'm checking quite a few
2020-02-03 23:15:18	drew__b	they are all working
2020-02-03 23:15:25	fendor	hm, maybe a certain file crasheS?
2020-02-03 23:15:28	drew__b	so here is what i've changed since we last spoke
2020-02-03 23:15:48	drew__b	1. There is an arch specific config that causes issues. That is removed. It's related to host cabal
2020-02-03 23:15:58	drew__b	2. updated to the newest hie for 864 in all-hies
2020-02-03 23:16:07	drew__b	3. made 2, separate coc-settings
2020-02-03 23:16:16	drew__b	one for src/ and one for test/src/
2020-02-03 23:16:34	drew__b	4. added --debug (only to the test/src config)
2020-02-03 23:16:39	drew__b	those together fixed it
2020-02-03 23:16:46	drew__b	one or more of them corrected the issue
2020-02-03 23:16:53	fendor	two coc-settings? maybe overkill. should not be an issue
2020-02-03 23:16:54	fendor	welp
2020-02-03 23:16:58	fendor	glad it works?
2020-02-03 23:17:15	fendor	I can imagine that there is some problem with arch
2020-02-03 23:20:04	drew__b	yeah i'm going to try removing the inner coc-settings
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2020-02-03 23:30:18	drew__b	it breaks without the dual coc-settings
2020-02-03 23:30:50	drew__b	[compiler] [E] <command line>: can't load .so/.DLL for: /nix/store/
2020-02-03 23:30:52	drew__b	681354n3k44r8z90m35hm8945vsp95h1-glibc-2.27/lib/libpthread.so (/nix/store/
2020-02-03 23:30:55	drew__b	681354n3k44r8z90m35hm8945vsp95h1-glibc-2.27/lib/libpthread.so.0: undefined
2020-02-03 23:30:56	drew__b	symbol: __libc_vfork, version GLIBC_PRIVATE)
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2020-02-04 01:17:25	jneira	You can use hls with vscode-hie-server if you don't set any option :-P
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2020-02-04 01:19:00	sureyeaah	Can somebody help me with building hie-bios? I don't have experience using cabal to build stuff.
2020-02-04 01:19:59	jneira	sure! :-)
2020-02-04 01:20:37	jneira	what version of cabal are you using?
2020-02-04 01:20:43	jneira	`3.0.0.0`?
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2020-02-04 01:23:42	sureyeaah	2.4.1.0
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2020-02-04 01:25:34	jneira	ok, so `cabal v2-build` is the key command
2020-02-04 01:26:13	jneira	it will compiles all the modules and put several build products in `./dist-newstyle`
2020-02-04 01:27:49	sureyeaah	I tried that and get a long error starting with this:
2020-02-04 01:27:51	sureyeaah	Build profile: -w ghc-8.6.5 -O1In order, the following will be built (use -v for more details): - cryptohash-sha1-0.11.100.1 (lib) (requires build) - hslogger-1.3.1.0 (lib) (requires build) - hie-bios-0.4.0 (lib) (first run) - hie-bios-0.4.0 (exe:hie-bios) (first run)Starting     cryptohash-sha1-0.11.100.1 (lib)Starting     hslogger-1.3.1.0
2020-02-04 01:27:52	sureyeaah	(lib)Building     cryptohash-sha1-0.11.100.1 (lib)Building     hslogger-1.3.1.0 (lib)Failed to build cryptohash-sha1-0.11.100.1.Build log (/home/shaurya/.cabal/logs/ghc-8.6.5/cryptohash-sha1-0.11.100.1-e87ed9b96dfb2170e95095115e600368ffd439e0766c3da19d8c3fbb601d8067.log):Configuring library for cryptohash-sha1-0.11.100.1..Preprocessing library for
2020-02-04 01:27:52	sureyeaah	cryptohash-sha1-0.11.100.1..Building library for cryptohash-sha1-0.11.100.1..[1 of 1] Compiling Crypto.Hash.SHA1 ( src/Crypto/Hash/SHA1.hs, dist/build/Crypto/Hash/SHA1.o )src/Crypto/Hash/SHA1.hs:77:1: error:    Could not find module ‘Prelude’    There are files missing in the ‘base-4.12.0.0’ package,    try running 'ghc-pkg check'.    Use
2020-02-04 01:27:53	sureyeaah	-v to see a list of the files searched for.   |77 | import Prelude hiding (init)
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2020-02-04 01:30:48	jneira	mmm `Prelude` comes with ghc inside the builtin package base 
2020-02-04 01:31:08	jneira	how did you install ghc?
2020-02-04 01:31:42	sureyeaah	Via pacman on Arch Linux. But I only use the stack ghc.
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2020-02-04 01:33:09	jneira	mmmm maybe relevant: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/46366850/haskell-missing-files-in-base-package
2020-02-04 01:33:31	jneira	no linux expertise here
2020-02-04 01:33:36	jneira	:-/
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2020-02-04 01:34:57	sureyeaah	No worries, I can figure this out, thanks. Any good cabal guide?
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2020-02-04 01:43:25	mpickering	GHC doesn't work well on arch
2020-02-04 01:43:29	mpickering	solution: install NixOS
2020-02-04 01:47:59	fendor	lol. Anywhere else the solution is to install arch :D 
2020-02-04 01:48:10	jneira	mmm i've found the official guide useful: https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
2020-02-04 01:48:37	jneira	*i've found useful
2020-02-04 01:50:55	mpickering	jneira: They left now
2020-02-04 01:50:57	jneira	the now recommended v2-build section starts here: https://cabal.readthedocs.io/en/latest/nix-local-build.html
2020-02-04 01:50:59	mpickering	The ol' hit and run
2020-02-04 01:52:25	jneira	mpickering: you mean v1-configure/build/install?
2020-02-04 01:52:43	mpickering	Hmm? I didn't mean anything to do with cabal
2020-02-04 01:52:52	mpickering	GHC is just broken on Arch in general because they insist on using dynamic linking
2020-02-04 01:53:11	jneira	oh, i see
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2020-02-04 01:55:20	fendor	dynamically linking haskell libraries or also ghc?
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2020-02-04 02:17:25	mpickering	ghc is dynamically linked yeah
2020-02-04 02:17:33	mpickering	https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/8vu73f/haskell_on_arch/
2020-02-04 02:26:41	fendor	is there are statement or any knowledge why they insist on this setup? 
2020-02-04 02:28:24	mpickering	There is a wiki page about it if you search
2020-02-04 02:28:35	mpickering	I think it's the arch mentality that dynamic linking is just better
2020-02-04 02:28:42	mpickering	obviously the exact opposite of nix.
2020-02-04 02:32:57	fendor	I thought mentality is pretty independent of dynmaic or static linking? dynamic linking sounds feasible on nix as well
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2020-02-04 02:36:56	drew__b	@sureyeah , check the arch wiki on cabal
2020-02-04 02:37:17	drew__b	you should honestly remove the arch ghc and install with ghcup
2020-02-04 02:37:35	drew__b	the linking errors are completely avoidable by using ghcup
2020-02-04 02:37:42	drew__b	i spent a few days debugging it
2020-02-04 02:39:40	fendor	*nix mentality
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2020-02-04 02:52:21	alanz	jneira, where are we on the bump-resolvers PR?
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2020-02-04 03:04:03	jneira	mmm let me check 
2020-02-04 03:07:29	jneira	alanz:  there are two unit test errors for windows but i think it could be merged 
2020-02-04 03:07:43	jneira	i am gonna run it locally just in case before the merge
2020-02-04 03:07:57	alanz	ok, do you want me to wait for you?
2020-02-04 03:08:51	jneira	i can merge it if it works locally
2020-02-04 03:09:39	alanz	ok, thanks
2020-02-04 03:10:27	jneira	:+1:
2020-02-04 03:15:56	fenedor	jneira, I think we introduced a failing windows test-case with the hie-bios update
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2020-02-04 03:16:34	fenedor	jneira, current master https://dev.azure.com/hvriedel/hvriedel/_build/results?buildId=192&view=logs&jobId=067c8a80-91a8-50fe-439e-a8809ddb7afe
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2020-02-04 03:24:06	jneira	yeah in apply-refact
2020-02-04 03:29:00	fenedor	I am not sure if I could have killed that somehow via hie-bios... I dont think it could have
2020-02-04 03:30:13	sureyeaah	I built and ran the hie-bios tests on my system and they are failing. https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/issues/153
2020-02-04 03:32:38	fenedor	sureyeaah, I responded on the issue
2020-02-04 03:32:42	fenedor	*to the issue
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2020-02-04 03:36:00	sureyeaah	drew_b: Okay thanks, I'll use ghcup. 
2020-02-04 03:36:36	sureyeaah	mkpickering: Can I install ghc with nix on arch?
2020-02-04 03:36:49	sureyeaah	*mpickering
2020-02-04 03:37:19	fenedor	sureyeaah, yes, you can
2020-02-04 03:37:38	fenedor	https://nixos.org/nixpkgs/manual/#haskell
2020-02-04 03:38:04	fenedor	sureyeaah, it looks like all non-stack tests fail for you
2020-02-04 03:38:25	fenedor	do you have a `ghc` on the path?
2020-02-04 03:38:59	sureyeaah	Yes.
2020-02-04 03:39:00	sureyeaah	Version 8.6.5, stage 2 booted by GHC version 8.6.4
2020-02-04 03:39:32	fenedor	sureyeaah, I can not reproduce your issue on linux...
2020-02-04 03:39:55	fenedor	could you try to install hie-bios and execute manually on hie-bios itself?
2020-02-04 03:40:12	fenedor	e.g. `hie-bios check src/HIE/Bios.hs`
2020-02-04 03:41:37	fenedor	iirc, hie-bios specifies a cabal cradle
2020-02-04 03:46:10	sureyeaah	Okay it says CradleError and then could not find module 'Prelude'...
2020-02-04 03:47:11	fenedor	maybe related again to dynamic and arch?
2020-02-04 03:47:28	sureyeaah	fenedor: Yep, I'll change the ghc. Thanks a lot!
2020-02-04 03:48:48	fenedor	sureyeaah, np! 
2020-02-04 04:08:19	sim590	HIE seems to be desynced with the file and not reloading error list when I write the file. I'm on 9e9432a2 commit revision. I'm using Vim+LanguageClient.
2020-02-04 04:12:22	sim590	Last known good revision for me is 3421a0e1deb34f65f979071989663ebc9f869199. I'm trying to bisect the faulty commit, but that will require 8 recompiling... Mehh...
2020-02-04 04:15:37	sim590	I'm getting a weird error that I cannot understand while trying to build now. https://paste.debian.net/1129053/.
2020-02-04 04:15:43	sim590	What can I do about this?
2020-02-04 04:16:11	sim590	This is the only output I get when I do `stack ./install.hs --help`
2020-02-04 04:24:31	sim590	I guess there was something broken on the commit I was visiting.
2020-02-04 04:28:03	jneira	mmm if you do a `cd ./install && stack build --stack-yaml=shake.yaml` you have a more detailed error?
2020-02-04 04:30:16	sim590	jneira: I did leave the commit that gave me that weird error and it doesn't happen anymore.
2020-02-04 04:30:38	sim590	The HEAD was at 3421a0e1 when I had this error.
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2020-02-04 04:31:14	sim590	Sorry. Wrong.
2020-02-04 04:31:45	jneira	that commit seems to be very old: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/commit/3421a0e1deb34f65f979071989663ebc9f869199
2020-02-04 04:31:50	sim590	HEAD was 92add4e635acc58e2862393a08e00e6c119cbb7f.
2020-02-04 04:32:01	jneira	well, lot of changes since that
2020-02-04 04:32:02	sim590	jneira: That's version 0.12. It's fine.
2020-02-04 04:32:06	sim590	Yeah
2020-02-04 04:32:22	sim590	jneira: I was trying to bisect the first error for which I came here to explain.
2020-02-04 04:32:28	jneira	aha
2020-02-04 04:32:38	sim590	Now, I'm trying version 0.14. to see if I'm having the issue.
2020-02-04 04:33:14	jneira	then, with current master you got it?
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2020-02-04 04:33:46	sim590	I don't really like the fact that hie uses stack packages while my ghci install uses cabal package tree. What's the right option to use while building HIE so that it uses cabal packages? Would it be cabal-build ?
2020-02-04 04:34:40	sim590	jneira: The initial revision where I got the error is 9e9432a. It's kind of near master.
2020-02-04 04:34:54	sim590	Not the error, but the bad behaviour I first described.
2020-02-04 04:35:02	sim590	HIE being desynced.
2020-02-04 04:35:53	jneira	oh, right
2020-02-04 04:35:55	sim590	I see that version 1.0 has been published recently. May be I should try that version.
2020-02-04 04:36:33	jneira	you can install hie with cabal, `cabal-hie-install help` would give you the targets
2020-02-04 04:36:56	jneira	sim590: yeah that was a big change
2020-02-04 04:39:19	sim590	alright. I'm trying to compile using cabal on 1.0.
2020-02-04 04:40:53	sim590	I have tried cabal-hie-install which still lists me stack-hie-* stuff. There's also the simple command "build" Would that be good?
2020-02-04 04:41:14	sim590	Or do I need cabal-build.
2020-02-04 04:44:24	sim590	I'm trying "build". Hope that it's good.
2020-02-04 04:48:43	fenedor	sim590, I think build is overkill, hie-8.6.4 should be enough, or whatever hie version you want
2020-02-04 04:48:50	fenedor	*ghc version
2020-02-04 04:50:55	fenedor	sim590, also, hie uses whatever packages are specified by the project to use.
2020-02-04 04:51:58	sim590	Why does cabal-hie-install still produces .stack-work ?
2020-02-04 04:53:13	jneira	it used stack to get the path where put the binaries
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2020-02-04 04:53:37	sim590	it genereates a big 2G data under that tree.
2020-02-04 04:53:52	jneira	we separated them (stack and cabal) completely some time ago
2020-02-04 04:54:11	sim590	But I thought that I was using cabal and not stack when using cabal-hie-install..
2020-02-04 04:54:27	jneira	it should
2020-02-04 04:55:01	sim590	OK. May be it was because I was suing `cabal-hie-install build` which for some reason uses stack?
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2020-02-04 04:56:05	jneira	yeah, `cabal-hie-install hie-8.6.5`should use cabal
2020-02-04 04:56:40	jneira	(only with one call to `stack path`)
2020-02-04 04:56:59	jneira	we separated both tools with https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1557
2020-02-04 04:57:38	sim590	Now it seems to be doing so since I called `cabal-hie-install hie-8.6.5`.
2020-02-04 04:58:30	alanz	jneira, fenedor I am going to tackle the monthly release process tomorrow. Today just got away from me. But all the stuff we want is merged, I understand, so now it is just admin
2020-02-04 05:03:15	jneira	:+1:
2020-02-04 05:03:36	jneira	alanz: are you using the ghcide vscode extencion to work with hls?
2020-02-04 05:05:01	alanz	jneira, I am using emacs only at the moment
2020-02-04 05:05:11	alanz	and customizing it each time I test
2020-02-04 05:05:20	alanz	i.e. not using it for day-to-day stuff.
2020-02-04 05:05:42	alanz	Which I will only do when multi-cradle goes in, that is too much of a feature to give up
2020-02-04 05:06:27	jneira	ok, i discovered that vscode-hie-server works if you unset all options :-D
2020-02-04 05:06:45	jneira	and set the wrapper path to hls-wrapper
2020-02-04 05:07:28	jneira	yeah hls hie.yaml.cbl doesnt work for tha, right?
2020-02-04 05:08:06	alanz	yes, that is basically what I do in emacs. Turn off the logging config, and change the exe name
2020-02-04 05:08:21	fenedor	alanz, agreed, nice, thank you! 
2020-02-04 05:08:35	jneira	well in vscode i changed the project options
2020-02-04 05:08:43	alanz	I made a hie.yaml.cbl PR on ghcide, they are holding off until multi-cradle, otherwise there is no point
2020-02-04 05:08:54	alanz	jneira, that makes sense
2020-02-04 05:08:57	jneira	i see
2020-02-04 05:09:42	alanz	I am thinking of making it a choice thing, choose between ghcide, hie, hls, or custom
2020-02-04 05:09:57	jneira	fendor: what do you think about open a specific issue about the implicit cradle in hls?
2020-02-04 05:10:08	alanz	both for emacs and the vscode plugin
2020-02-04 05:10:17	jneira	mmm a vscode extension to rule them all :-D
2020-02-04 05:10:39	jneira	opps fenedor
2020-02-04 05:10:42	alanz	well, basically all you need to do is tell it how to run the server. That is the beauty of thr protocol
2020-02-04 05:11:10	alanz	tab completion ftw when I address fen*
2020-02-04 05:11:20	jneira	he
2020-02-04 05:12:01	alanz	anyway, the alarm clock looms
2020-02-04 05:12:04	 *	alanz afk
2020-02-04 05:12:13	jneira	the web client has tab completion too, i just discovered :-|
2020-02-04 05:12:24	jneira	bye!
2020-02-04 05:13:44	fenedor	jneira, yeah, that would be needed. We need to decide what to actually use in hls
2020-02-04 05:13:50	fenedor	currently we use a hybrid approach, iirc
2020-02-04 05:14:25	fenedor	or inconsistent, c-h for hls-wrapper and hie-bios implicit cradle for the actual session
2020-02-04 05:15:18	jneira	yep
2020-02-04 05:15:48	jneira	i was thinking how could we add cabal-helper to hie-bios without linking statically
2020-02-04 05:15:57	fenedor	jneira, now it is easy
2020-02-04 05:16:00	jneira	no way, no? :-/
2020-02-04 05:16:17	fenedor	or what issue are you talking in particular?
2020-02-04 05:16:47	jneira	add the implicit cradle to hie-bios itself
2020-02-04 05:17:41	jneira	via cabal-helper (or maybe another alternative)
2020-02-04 05:17:53	fenedor	are you not satisfied with the current approach of hie?
2020-02-04 05:18:38	jneira	yeah, but we would got it for every hie-bios client in one go
2020-02-04 05:19:14	fenedor	hm, not sure if that is wanted, especially since applications can just implement it themselves
2020-02-04 05:19:28	fenedor	we could, however, turn it into a library?
2020-02-04 05:19:34	fenedor	hie-bios-cabal-helper?
2020-02-04 05:19:39	fenedor	cabal-helper-cradle
2020-02-04 05:19:40	jneira	we have to move/copy from hie to hls and still ghcide will not have it
2020-02-04 05:19:58	jneira	he
2020-02-04 05:20:10	fenedor	ghcide could have it and the logic is entirely in exe/Main.hs, iirc
2020-02-04 05:23:01	fenedor	I dont think we need to upstream the logic from Cradle.hs into hie-bios. But turning it into a library could actually make sense?
2020-02-04 05:23:03	jneira	mmm a library could be nice, it would relatively  small
2020-02-04 05:23:41	fenedor	yeah, nice, fast-to-compile libraries
2020-02-04 05:23:42	jneira	and we can move where to use it easily
2020-02-04 05:24:34	jneira	(i hope creating the lib will not take much more time that move it to hls or ghcide)
2020-02-04 05:25:02	fenedor	I dont think it would.
2020-02-04 05:25:28	fenedor	Maybe I am doing it this week, I am going to open an issue for it
2020-02-04 05:25:39	jneira	sounds great
2020-02-04 05:25:49	jneira	time to go to bed for me, good night!
2020-02-04 05:26:01	fenedor	same, good night!
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2020-02-04 08:08:53	sim590	Is that expected that I get a "no handler" error when I try to refactor using rename function of HIE?
2020-02-04 08:09:43	sim590	I see that README has this written in it: "Renaming via HaRe (NOTE: HaRe is temporarily disabled)". Is that related to what I'm having?
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2020-02-04 13:25:25	jneira_	alanz: could we merge https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/pull/191?
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2020-02-04 14:53:32	alanz	jneira I merged it. It probably needs a release, which means bumping the version number, updating the changelog, making sure the tests pass, then pushing a tag to master.
2020-02-04 14:53:48	alanz	The tag on master triggers publishing. 
2020-02-04 14:56:42	jneira_	aha, i'll give a try, following th Contributing.md
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2020-02-04 17:27:04	jneira_	alanaz: just in case you hit it before. I am getting an error running tests in vscode-hie-server:
2020-02-04 17:27:13	jneira_	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/a9d30215d2db716875cd2320586b0a7e/pasted.txt
2020-02-04 17:27:24	jneira_	alanz ^^
2020-02-04 17:31:26	jneira_	maybe old versions of node or npm: node v10.15.3 npm  v6.4.1
2020-02-04 17:38:28	alanz	jneira: things changed when it went to that packed format, so I am a bit hazy. But you may need to npm run compile first
2020-02-04 17:38:56	alanz	The ci on the project does run, so check that config for pointers
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2020-02-04 23:47:32	alanz	I am starting on my "prepare-1.1" branch
2020-02-04 23:48:13	alanz	fendor, you seem to be tackling vscode-hie-server at the moment?
2020-02-04 23:49:00	alanz	and I have just invited you to collaborate on it
2020-02-04 23:49:05	jneira[m]	I could do a release this night
2020-02-04 23:49:37	jneira[m]	Or you are preparing it?  alanz
2020-02-04 23:49:42	alanz	I think it would be good. release that, hie, and if I get to it I want to get haskell-lsp released too
2020-02-04 23:49:57	alanz	jneira[m], starting on hie 1.1 release, changelog, etc
2020-02-04 23:50:03	alanz	are we ready?
2020-02-04 23:50:27	jneira[m]	Ah ok i was talking about vscode-hie-server
2020-02-04 23:50:39	jneira[m]	I ran the test suite locally
2020-02-04 23:50:42	fendor	alanz, I am sometimes helping, but not really tackling vscode-hie-server specific problems
2020-02-04 23:50:56	alanz	that is fine
2020-02-04 23:51:25	alanz	jneira[m], how did you do it? we should probably update the developer docs for it
2020-02-04 23:52:28	alanz	jneira[m], must I wait for #1632 on hie?
2020-02-04 23:55:20	fendor	I think we can merge #1632
2020-02-04 23:55:23	fendor	it looks good to go
2020-02-04 23:57:20	fendor	CI looks happy with the changes and there is no WIP in the title, so I would go for merge
2020-02-04 23:58:09	alanz	ok
2020-02-04 23:58:54	alanz	It worries me that our CI is not green.
2020-02-04 23:59:19	alanz	I wonder if we should have a core set that *must* be green, and then the rest? jneira?
2020-02-04 23:59:38	alanz	actually best to have it all green, especially the windows stuff
2020-02-05 00:01:18	fendor	same, the test failure are weird though..
2020-02-05 00:01:24	fendor	Well, at least we have CI for windows now
2020-02-05 00:01:40	fendor	before jneira we were just broken on windows :D 
2020-02-05 00:02:59	fendor	alanz, what is your opinion to https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1631 ? Do you think it is smart to extract it to its own library or do you think it doesnt matter, etc...
2020-02-05 00:04:03	alanz	fendor, I dont have a strong opinion, to be honest. Whatever is simplest. And given that it may possibly need to fit in to multiple places, perhaps having it in its own library is the best way to do it
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2020-02-05 00:04:40	alanz	fendor, and provisionally I put it into hls already
2020-02-05 00:05:57	fendor	I know, but now hls needs to receive the updates as well. Turning it into a library seems to make sense, even though it is micro.
2020-02-05 00:06:08	fendor	Maybe I'll do it later this week
2020-02-05 00:06:14	fendor	thank you for input :)
2020-02-05 00:06:18	jneira[m]	There is a new failing test in win
2020-02-05 00:06:43	alanz	I agree. In my opinion that file should live in one place only.  But in future hie will be deprecated, so we should not base the decision on its usage of it
2020-02-05 00:07:26	jneira[m]	I ll try to fix it asap, but they are arising quickly :-P
2020-02-05 00:08:42	fendor	jneira[m], as said, I think I introduced a bug in https://dev.azure.com/hvriedel/hvriedel/_build/results?buildId=184&view=logs&jobId=067c8a80-91a8-50fe-439e-a8809ddb7afe
2020-02-05 00:08:49	fendor	is that the bug you are currently observing?
2020-02-05 00:09:13	jneira[m]	In apply refact if i remember correctly
2020-02-05 00:09:55	jneira[m]	Yeah it is
2020-02-05 00:10:25	jneira[m]	I updated the issue about azure tests with it
2020-02-05 00:10:54	jneira[m]	I reproduce it locally so easier to fix
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2020-02-05 00:12:51	fendor	thanks!
2020-02-05 00:14:46	fendor	jneira[m], I will try to get to it, too, especially the test-case we just disabled
2020-02-05 00:20:07	alanz	we merged *a lot* or PRs this month :)
2020-02-05 00:23:50	fendor	there were over 200 commits this month alone
2020-02-05 00:24:10	fendor	we put in a huge amount of work!
2020-02-05 00:26:32	alanz	42 PRs merged
2020-02-05 00:26:47	alanz	well done all
2020-02-05 00:28:49	fendor	yeah, great work everyone!
2020-02-05 00:29:07	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1639
2020-02-05 00:29:13	alanz	comments reviews please
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2020-02-05 00:30:34	fendor	alanz, in half an hour when I am done with dinner :)
2020-02-05 00:30:49	alanz	ok, no rush
2020-02-05 00:31:04	alanz	And I am going to tweak the ChangeLog formatting now too
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2020-02-05 00:32:35	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/blob/prepare-1.1/Changelog.md
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2020-02-05 02:38:29	alanz	jneira, can I do the vscode plugin release?
2020-02-05 02:40:57	alanz	cocreature, do you have a preference for test framework on hls?
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2020-02-05 03:34:28	mpickering	Are URIs in LSP land supposed to be relative or absolute?
2020-02-05 03:42:48	jneira	alanz:yeah
2020-02-05 03:43:11	jneira	i've just added a step to contributing in a pr
2020-02-05 03:43:51	alanz	mpickering, they should be absolite
2020-02-05 03:44:19	mpickering	hmm I can't see anywhere in ghcide which calls canonicalisePath
2020-02-05 03:44:23	mpickering	does haskell-lsp canonicalise?
2020-02-05 03:44:30	alanz	jneira, which project are you talking about
2020-02-05 03:44:38	alanz	mpickering, I don't know offhand
2020-02-05 03:44:42	alanz	but it should
2020-02-05 03:44:58	alanz	And the general principle is to work absolute paths for everything
2020-02-05 03:45:01	jneira	in vscode-hie-server
2020-02-05 03:45:15	mpickering	I'll ask cocreature tomorrow
2020-02-05 03:45:37	jneira	i was about to update Changelog and create a tag
2020-02-05 03:46:02	alanz	jneira, I am doing it now :)
2020-02-05 03:46:24	alanz	just updated some deps too, bumped the version, made a changelog
2020-02-05 03:46:33	alanz	will push it soon, for your checking
2020-02-05 03:46:55	alanz	just did vsce package to test locally
2020-02-05 03:47:31	jneira	:+1: i could not start to do it before :-|
2020-02-05 03:47:58	alanz	no problem, I am on a roll with released. hie, haskell-lsp, vscode-hie-server
2020-02-05 03:48:58	jneira	i had to install npm and friends in my laptop, i only miss `npm -g install webpack` in Contributing
2020-02-05 03:49:09	alanz	and I just pushed to master, not a branch. Oops
2020-02-05 03:49:20	drew__b	yoo
2020-02-05 03:49:22	drew__b	yolo
2020-02-05 03:50:03	alanz	jneira, see https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/commit/d9b4e8e5a45c7f3de8578803b03ae75be3cc2d4b
2020-02-05 03:50:08	alanz	should have been a PR
2020-02-05 03:51:38	jneira	looks good
2020-02-05 03:54:16	alanz	thanks. Will tag it, the one with your README upsate
2020-02-05 04:07:31	alanz	lukelau, can you take a look at haskell-lsp? and sort a matching lsp-test
2020-02-05 04:07:40	alanz	when it suits you
2020-02-05 04:07:56	lukelau	lukelau: just reviewed them there, lgtm
2020-02-05 04:07:57	lukelau	woops
2020-02-05 04:07:58	lukelau	alanz: 
2020-02-05 04:08:33	alanz	thanks. do you want to release when you have a matching lsp-test?
2020-02-05 04:08:57	lukelau	you can release haskell-lsp first, and then i can do the lsp-test release after
2020-02-05 04:10:12	alanz	ok, will do it tonight then
2020-02-05 04:10:19	alanz	fendor, I fixed the typo
2020-02-05 04:10:50	lukelau	just doing a quick test run to see how it fares with the new haskell-lsp. cabal.project files are pretty handy, can pull in the new haskell-lsp locally and use that as the dependency in lsp-test
2020-02-05 04:11:19	alanz	ok. I am going to disable the 8.0.2 CI too, it does nothing useful
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2020-02-05 04:17:46	fendor	alanz, nice! approved changes.
2020-02-05 04:18:46	alanz	great, will get a release out a bit later. Having the deps locked to a specific version makes things a lot simpler for this stuff
2020-02-05 04:23:37	alanz	we are pushing global warming through CI tonight
2020-02-05 04:30:08	lukelau	alanz: supposedly azure is carbon neutral? grep for carbon here https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/global-infrastructure/ 
2020-02-05 04:30:09	jneira	we could add a cryptominer inside ghc and nobody would notice, you know, to spend it in ci extended plans :-P
2020-02-05 04:30:17	alanz	:)
2020-02-05 04:30:30	lukelau	not that we’re helping
2020-02-05 04:30:44	alanz	is circleCI carbon neutral? we have it going gangbusters
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2020-02-05 04:46:07	alanz	http://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp-types-0.20.0.0
2020-02-05 04:46:34	lukelau	alanz: nice
2020-02-05 04:46:46	lukelau	by the way did you consider trying https://github.com/kowainik/policeman 
2020-02-05 04:46:53	lukelau	to check the pvp versioning
2020-02-05 04:47:04	alanz	nope
2020-02-05 04:47:05	lukelau	i’m going to give it a spin with lsp-test, see if it picks up anything
2020-02-05 04:47:37	alanz	will do it one day, but happy to keep bumping the number we do, and I think dependent projects are used to it
2020-02-05 04:47:41	fendor	yeah, wanna try policeman as well, it sounds nice
2020-02-05 04:47:59	alanz	PVP or no PVP
2020-02-05 04:48:22	alanz	https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/#/package/haskell-lsp
2020-02-05 04:48:30	alanz	https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/#/package/haskell-lsp-types
2020-02-05 04:48:46	alanz	I only breathe when it shows up green there :)
2020-02-05 05:06:46	lukelau	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/lsp-test-0.10.1.0
2020-02-05 05:09:30	alanz	:+1:
2020-02-05 05:09:55	alanz	https://matrix.hackage.haskell.org/#/package/lsp-test
2020-02-05 05:11:20	alanz	and it looks like the matrix builders are running a backlog too. Or the >= 8.* ones anyway
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2020-02-05 05:11:57	alanz	the new vscode plugin just published
2020-02-05 05:12:28	alanz	41k installs total
2020-02-05 05:24:11	alanz	and the damn thing does not work.
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2020-02-05 12:17:15	cocreature	alanz: I generally opt for tasty these days but I don’t feel particularly strongly about it
2020-02-05 12:28:08	jneira_	Mmm i think one of them (tasty?) dont show a final report with the failing test and the pattern to rerun them
2020-02-05 12:28:16	jneira_	Or it can be configured?
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2020-02-05 13:43:13	jneira_	dxld: what do you think about replace the cabal-helper private lib with a common stanza?
2020-02-05 13:43:31	jneira_	until the cabal bug with private libs is resolved
2020-02-05 13:44:29	jneira_	i am a little bit tired of delete cabal-plan dirs from the store a run the phadej script to fix the store :-)
2020-02-05 13:45:28	jneira_	and maybe beginners would switch to stack if the bug remains in each index-store bump ;-)
2020-02-05 13:50:59	jneira_	s/index-store/index-state
2020-02-05 13:56:40	alanz	well, if no-one has a strong preference on the testing framework I am going to propose hspec. As I know it can print the report and how to rerun, and we have existing hie tests using it.
2020-02-05 13:56:54	 *	alanz pretty sure tasty has the same, tbh
2020-02-05 14:00:31	alanz	And I just released 1.1, git it while it is fresh
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2020-02-05 14:03:08	jneira_	i am sure too, tbh i've not tested them (he) in deep
2020-02-05 14:04:52	cocreature	alanz: one argument for tasty is that this is what we use in ghcide so moving tests back and forth is easier
2020-02-05 14:05:50	alanz	I know, that is the biggest one, in my mind. Especially once hie gets deprecated in future
2020-02-05 14:06:13	alanz	cocreature, does it support re-running either all failing tests, or just a single one from the CLI?
2020-02-05 14:09:38	fendor	there is at least a package https://hackage.haskell.org/package/tasty-rerun
2020-02-05 14:09:54	cocreature	alanz: it has great filtering via "-p" from the cli. there is rerunning of failed packages via tasty-rerun but I never use that since I just filter it manually via -p
2020-02-05 14:10:44	fendor	moreover, https://hackage.haskell.org/package/tasty-hspec
2020-02-05 14:11:09	fendor	migration of hie test cases to hspec could be done incrementally
2020-02-05 14:11:33	fendor	*to taty
2020-02-05 14:11:35	alanz	infinisil, heads up, 1.1 tagged. FYI
2020-02-05 14:11:39	fendor	tasty
2020-02-05 14:12:26	alanz	ok. I agree with cocreature that using the same in future makes sense, we already have ghcide tests, and the hie ones need to migrate whatever we do. So least-work path is to use tasty
2020-02-05 14:12:53	alanz	Its funny how explicitly committing to any option forces a real discussion ")
2020-02-05 14:12:55	alanz	:)
2020-02-05 14:13:34	fendor	hehe
2020-02-05 14:15:22	alanz	fendor, jneira_ I had to roll back vscode-hie-server last night, emergency mode. It first did not pass tests, the one I had actually confirmed that it worked locally. So I bumped a library, it passed the tests, but I did not confirm operation locally. 
2020-02-05 14:15:33	alanz	When I published it, it did nothing. 
2020-02-05 14:15:57	alanz	The saved master branch is at broken-0.35, FYI
2020-02-05 14:17:24	alanz	so that needs to be restored. I will not get to it until after work today. But beware of any work you do there, rather work from "broken-0.35", which I will restore to master, and make work with the new vscode-language-client-6.0.0
2020-02-05 14:23:41	fendor	alanz, thanks for the warning!
2020-02-05 14:24:13	jneira_	but that was not caused by the new restart command, right?
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2020-02-05 14:26:46	jneira_	nvm i just see the last commit of broken-0.35
2020-02-05 14:28:13	alanz	no, it was the LSP library upgrade, which worked, but the test suite failed through not being able to resolve a symbol. It was late, I took a chance. Mistake
2020-02-05 14:29:27	jneira_	dynaminc typing pleasures :-P
2020-02-05 14:30:00	jneira_	oh wait it uses typescript
2020-02-05 14:30:16	alanz	yes.
2020-02-05 14:31:05	alanz	but I presume it is something simple like bumping the test framework dep to match the lsp version
2020-02-05 14:31:16	alanz	that is needed to fix it
2020-02-05 14:31:28	alanz	feel free to experiment :)
2020-02-05 14:31:34	jneira_	:+1:
2020-02-05 14:34:03	 *	alanz time for day job
2020-02-05 14:39:14	jneira_	dxld: https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/issues/94
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2020-02-05 16:12:39	mpickering	Ah good stuff, just spent about 30 minutes running the wrong version of ghcide
2020-02-05 16:31:28	fendor	when starting to work on hie-bios, I spent a whole day chasing a bug that I had already fixed :>
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2020-02-05 17:00:08	jneira_	i've thought sometimes in add the hash commit in the name of every executable i install :-P
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2020-02-05 17:04:46	jneira_	it seems hie cant load projects with `build-type: custom` :-/
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2020-02-05 17:23:47	fendor	jneira_, rather cabal-helper
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2020-02-05 17:45:42	jneira_	so hie is not choosing the targets but cabal-helper itself
2020-02-05 17:46:07	jneira_	i'll open an issue upstream then
2020-02-05 17:46:46	jneira_	fendor ^^
2020-02-05 17:48:04	fendor	yes, hie does basically nothing regarding targets. It only obtains compile flags and compiles the files in a ghc session
2020-02-05 17:48:10	fendor	everything else is hie-bios and cabal-helper
2020-02-05 17:49:17	jneira_	:+1: just in case
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2020-02-05 18:12:25	infinisil	alanz: Thanks for the ping, I'll update all-hies soon :)
2020-02-05 18:27:42	jneira_	i am preparing a pr that uses haskell-lsp-0.20
2020-02-05 18:37:38	jneira_	i would swear that we bumped up the haskell-lsp version
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2020-02-05 19:17:09	jneira_	whoops 
2020-02-05 19:17:18	jneira_	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/771b7f52e416b46292dc3791c5858f7e/pasted.txt
2020-02-05 19:17:51	jneira_	Couldn't match representation of type `NormalizedUri'   with that of `T.Text' arising from a use of `coerce'
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2020-02-05 21:57:00	drew__b	it's insane how big of a productivity boost hie and ghcide are
2020-02-05 21:57:10	drew__b	over just editor and ghcid
2020-02-05 22:09:22	jneira[m]	Absolutely, best is being able to choose, depending on the task
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2020-02-05 22:38:22	alanz	jneira[m], what is the state of play on the vscode plugin?
2020-02-05 22:38:47	alanz	or rather, would it be a problem if I looked again? 
2020-02-05 22:51:01	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/issues/5#issuecomment-582516936
2020-02-05 22:51:14	alanz	tasty for tests
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2020-02-05 23:00:29	fendor	just realized that tasty uses the hunit combinators (@=?) and (@?=) T_T 
2020-02-05 23:04:32	alanz	which you have an aversion to?
2020-02-05 23:04:45	alanz	I am sure we can use or make synonyms for them
2020-02-05 23:05:12	alanz	I am sure they are things you get used to in no time, then don't even notice?
2020-02-05 23:05:28	alanz	especially if you have a good IDE with hover support :)
2020-02-05 23:07:51	fendor	while hover helps a lot, remembering what is what while typing is still hard for me 
2020-02-05 23:08:24	fendor	I have an aversion to them, but nothing important, more like, I rarely like defining custom operators
2020-02-05 23:08:42	fendor	we already have dozens of them in haskell
2020-02-05 23:11:59	alanz	yes. And my reality in tests is that I normally copy a similar test and beat it into shape
2020-02-05 23:12:28	alanz	And I guess someone needs to assign that testing issue to themselves, and start on it.
2020-02-05 23:12:53	alanz	If no-one bites when I am ready to look at stuff again (in a few hours) I will give it a go
2020-02-05 23:13:18	alanz	and then base it on a direct copy of the ghcide scaffolding. May as well work the similarity hard
2020-02-05 23:13:37	alanz	but first supper and vscode plugin sortouts
2020-02-05 23:15:57	fendor	I dont think I will be very productive today... I answered some issues at least
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2020-02-05 23:18:58	cocreature	fendor: you’re more than productive enough. get some rest :)
2020-02-05 23:21:01	fendor	cocreature, thank you, you are probably right!
2020-02-05 23:26:59	alanz	jneira[m], this is what I get locally for vscode, as does the server: https://gist.github.com/alanz/b7f6e72dd53471b49a4ae08614225f32
2020-02-05 23:27:11	alanz	fendor, I agree with cocreature 
2020-02-05 23:28:02	jneira[m]	I ll take a look
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2020-02-05 23:33:07	alanz	jneira, I needed to bump the supported vscode version to 1.40.0
2020-02-05 23:33:11	alanz	in the first few lines
2020-02-05 23:33:25	alanz	which makes sense, we are aiming for version 3.15 of the LSP spec
2020-02-05 23:33:42	alanz	now I have green locally
2020-02-05 23:34:51	alanz	And 1.39 works too, but 1.38 doesnt. So that is our new minimal version. Current is 1.41, so not too bad, two versions back
2020-02-05 23:43:57	alanz	cocreature, you are too swamped to work on multi-component support at the moment?
2020-02-05 23:44:19	cocreature	yeah sadly
2020-02-05 23:45:16	alanz	ok, no problem. This whole thing is a marathon, not a sprint
2020-02-05 23:45:32	alanz	We'll get there, some time.
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2020-02-06 00:17:46	alanz	jneira, it looks like I got the vscode plugin published. It may be missing some of your recent doc changes
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2020-02-06 00:44:20	jneira	alanz: my npm tests dowloaded auto vscode-1.41.1 inside the project directory
2020-02-06 00:44:40	jneira	so it should ve tested with several vscode versions
2020-02-06 00:45:09	jneira	and i only tested with 1.41.1
2020-02-06 00:46:19	alanz	ok. Mine seems to download the lowest speced one
2020-02-06 00:46:29	alanz	I do "npm ci" to set up the deps though
2020-02-06 00:46:57	jneira	my travis also downloaded 1.41.1
2020-02-06 00:47:26	jneira	so you have vscode installed globally?
2020-02-06 00:47:38	jneira	i mean the vscode used by tests
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2020-02-06 01:21:02	alanz	jneira, not sure, to be honest. It seems to install it in node_modules locally for the test
2020-02-06 01:21:15	alanz	but what happened, and how I resolved seems to make sense, to me
2020-02-06 01:30:55	jneira	:+1:
2020-02-06 01:32:57	jneira	i'll redo the docs changes if needed
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2020-02-06 01:36:25	alanz	thanks
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2020-02-06 02:07:06	alanz	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/tasty-hspec-1.1.5.1/docs/Test-Tasty-Hspec.html
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2020-02-06 12:08:25	jneira_	i am afraid that the change `newtype NormalizedUri = NormalizedUri Text`to `data NormalizedUri = NormalizedUri !Int !Text` makes NormalizedUri no coercible
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2020-02-06 12:09:02	jneira_	is there a way to recover `Coercible` for `NormalizedUri` without change the actual type?
2020-02-06 12:11:16	jneira_	i hope maybe mpickering could know that ^^
2020-02-06 12:17:55	jneira_	i guess the straightforward way is add a ToJSON instance for NormalizedURI but it supposes change haskell-lsp, already released
2020-02-06 12:42:20	mpickering	What is it needed for?
2020-02-06 12:42:26	mpickering	But basically the answer is no
2020-02-06 12:53:06	jneira_	```instance Data.Aeson.ToJSON Diagnostics where  toJSON (Diagnostics d) = Data.Aeson.toJSON    (Map.mapKeys coerce d :: Map.Map T.Text (Set.Set Diagnostic))```
2020-02-06 12:53:48	jneira_	being `newtype Diagnostics = Diagnostics (Map.Map NormalizedUri (Set.Set Diagnostic))`
2020-02-06 12:59:54	mpickering	jneira_: We should perhaps change that `Map` to a HashMap anyway?
2020-02-06 12:59:59	mpickering	but yeah you can't coerce is anymore
2020-02-06 13:08:10	jneira_	i guess the more straightforward way is add `instance ToJSON NormalizedUri`in haskell-lsp-types
2020-02-06 13:08:30	jneira_	but i was trying to use the actual release
2020-02-06 13:11:27	mpickering	You can also write a function 
2020-02-06 13:16:50	jneira_	yeah but ghcide, dhall et alii will have to write it, i guess
2020-02-06 13:17:10	jneira_	i can write in hie now and move upstream later...
2020-02-06 13:35:25	jneira_	buah too much overthinking: it only needed `(Map.mapKeys extractUri d :: Map.Map T.Text (Set.Set Diagnostic)) where extractUri (NormalizedUri _ t) =  t`
2020-02-06 13:37:58	jneira_	mpickering: thanks
2020-02-06 13:40:41	jneira_	being the constructor public... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2020-02-06 22:42:05	mpickering	cocreature: What is the `compileModule` rule used for apart from generating bytecode?
2020-02-06 22:42:29	mpickering	Do you use it in daml?
2020-02-06 22:44:50	mpickering	basically we need to run some other passes on it to make the core suitable for generating bytecode
2020-02-06 22:48:59	cocreature	mpickering: we do use the "generateCore" function we don’t use the rule so afaik the only user of that rule is the bytecode stuff in ghcide itself
2020-02-06 22:49:17	mpickering	Right the `generateCore` function is the one I want to change
2020-02-06 22:49:48	mpickering	or actually the `compileModule` function to be precise
2020-02-06 22:50:13	cocreature	do you need to change `compileModule` or just add more “post-processing” at the end?
2020-02-06 22:50:24	mpickering	Well it needs to run before tidyProgram
2020-02-06 22:50:48	mpickering	I can make `compileModule` take an argument I suppose? 
2020-02-06 22:51:10	cocreature	either that or we just duplicate it in DAML. I’m fine with both
2020-02-06 22:52:50	mpickering	ok, I am going to add some rules which generate object files as well
2020-02-06 22:53:04	mpickering	as if you generate bytecode now you have to typecheck all transitive dependencies
2020-02-06 22:53:50	mpickering	and also you can't cache bytecode between runs
2020-02-06 22:53:54	mpickering	but you can cache object files
2020-02-06 22:57:52	cocreature	sounds good
2020-02-06 23:07:48	drew__b	is hie doing some kind of caching somewhere?
2020-02-06 23:20:25	alanz	drew__b, that discussion is around ghcide, the engine that powers haskell-language-server, the replacement for hie, once it achieves feature parity
2020-02-06 23:21:24	alanz	btw all, I am flip-flopping again, going to use hspec for the tests
2020-02-06 23:21:27	alanz	on hls
2020-02-06 23:21:35	alanz	cocreature, ^^
2020-02-06 23:21:58	cocreature	why?
2020-02-06 23:22:58	alanz	The existing ghcide tests are not vast, I gather most of the testing happens in the daml zone.
2020-02-06 23:23:24	alanz	We have a much more comprehensive set with hie, which we are likely to want to have to bring over
2020-02-06 23:24:02	alanz	and you indicated that you were not that concerned either way?
2020-02-06 23:24:27	alanz	I also discussed it with ndm today, he was ok with that too.
2020-02-06 23:24:56	alanz	I guess the main reason is I want to get it done, and I know hspec, and am resisting climbing the mountain of learning tasty.
2020-02-06 23:25:14	cocreature	I don’t care much but I have a slight preference for tasty since it’s what I’m used to, it’s a bit more flexible ime and it’s very quick in catching up with new GHC releases
2020-02-06 23:25:21	cocreature	but happy to let you make the call here
2020-02-06 23:25:31	alanz	Also, the hie devs are the most likely to be working with them in the near future, so their familiarity/productivity is important
2020-02-06 23:26:07	alanz	cocreature, I would cheerfully go with tasty, of someone knowledgable set it up for the project
2020-02-06 23:26:55	alanz	I sort of half did it last night, and got to the point where I realised I was wrestling with a lot of unknowns, and that progress (for me) would be slow going forward, initially
2020-02-06 23:27:16	cocreature	happy to go with whatever, I don’t think the test framework really make a big difference
2020-02-06 23:27:48	alanz	I agree. And I want to work on features, this is a drag, I want to do the fastest thing. For me.
2020-02-06 23:27:59	cocreature	sure then let’s go with hspec
2020-02-06 23:28:06	alanz	And if that is sit back and wait for a tasty specialist, then I am fine
2020-02-06 23:29:03	cocreature	I think you’re significantly overestimating the complexity of tasty but as I said, I really don’t think it makes a big difference so let’s just go with hspec for now
2020-02-06 23:29:24	alanz	FYI I have never had a problem with hspec and GHC, but then hie (and by extension hls) does not necessarily chase the current GHC master. Perhaps it should?
2020-02-06 23:29:40	alanz	cocreature, it is not complexity, just familiarity.
2020-02-06 23:30:15	alanz	e.g. I ran a test which failed, and did not give me a line number in the source. Which comes out of the box in hspec. I am sure tasty can do it, but I have to dig
2020-02-06 23:31:39	 *	alanz maybe I will give it another quick try
2020-02-06 23:32:07	cocreature	just stick with hspec, you’re spending far more time on this than it deserves given the small impact :)
2020-02-06 23:32:26	alanz	:)
2020-02-06 23:33:10	alanz	And then I need to beat the drum to persuade someone to work on multi-cradle for ghcide
2020-02-06 23:33:26	alanz	Which worst case will be me
2020-02-06 23:33:52	drew__b	@alanz i'm asking because hie is using some cached version of cabal or something (it seems)
2020-02-06 23:34:21	drew__b	I upgraded hedis on my project to the latest version, and the project compiles and the file loads in the repl fine
2020-02-06 23:34:27	alanz	drew__b, current one uses hie-bios only, I think. which is in ~/.cache/hie-bios
2020-02-06 23:35:04	drew__b	should i delete that?
2020-02-06 23:35:50	alanz	it wont hurt
2020-02-06 23:36:18	drew__b	im trying hie-bios check --debug on the file that hie is erroring on
2020-02-06 23:36:33	alanz	and?
2020-02-06 23:36:44	drew__b	it seems to either be hanging or long running
2020-02-06 23:37:05	drew__b	basically, i'm getting a versioning error in hie, that doesnt show when i use the repl
2020-02-06 23:38:09	drew__b	https://pastebin.com/kSSZn0e1
2020-02-06 23:38:12	alanz	how *exactly* do you do those two things? how do you invoke the repl, what does your hie.yaml look like.  W
2020-02-06 23:39:00	alanz	so hie-bios check fails?
2020-02-06 23:39:24	drew__b	it's still running
2020-02-06 23:39:28	drew__b	been about 3-4 minutes
2020-02-06 23:39:30	drew__b	no output
2020-02-06 23:39:49	drew__b	i use the repl with `$ cabal v2-repl src/MY/File.hs`
2020-02-06 23:40:51	drew__b	https://pastebin.com/t1x3EvV9
2020-02-06 23:40:55	drew__b	^ hie.yaml
2020-02-06 23:41:14	drew__b	hie-bios check seems like it's hung
2020-02-06 23:41:17	drew__b	doesnt quit
2020-02-06 23:41:35	alanz	cocreature, another good thing about hspec is that if a test fails, it prints the CLI args to rerun just that test
2020-02-06 23:41:41	drew__b	had to kill -9 it
2020-02-06 23:41:51	alanz	If hie-bios fails, hie will too
2020-02-06 23:42:16	drew__b	well it didnt "fail"
2020-02-06 23:42:22	drew__b	it just never output anything
2020-02-06 23:42:31	drew__b	so i killed the cache and i'm getting the same error
2020-02-06 23:42:41	drew__b	but i can open this project/file in the repl
2020-02-06 23:43:16	drew__b	ghcid works as well
2020-02-06 23:44:09	drew__b	whoa nvm
2020-02-06 23:44:12	drew__b	ghcid fails
2020-02-06 23:44:18	drew__b	sorry, investigating
2020-02-07 00:11:27	drew__b	yeah it's definitely hie
2020-02-07 00:11:47	drew__b	so my project compiles, and then when i start hie I get that propagation error
2020-02-07 00:12:37	alanz	what does your hie.yaml look like?
2020-02-07 00:12:56	alanz	if you run hie from the command line, without parameters, what does it say?
2020-02-07 00:12:57	drew__b	i pastebin'ed it above
2020-02-07 00:13:26	drew__b	hie loads with no erros on cli
2020-02-07 00:13:36	drew__b	same with hie-wrapper
2020-02-07 00:14:01	drew__b	hie-wrapper --lsp --debug <--- this says "starting server"
2020-02-07 00:14:13	alanz	you must do it without the --lsp
2020-02-07 00:14:31	drew__b	no errors
2020-02-07 00:14:48	alanz	it should dump a whole lot of info
2020-02-07 00:14:56	alanz	if you run just "hie-wrapper"
2020-02-07 00:15:45	alanz	this is an example of what I get for a small test project: https://gist.github.com/alanz/7c1dc9ee617be2fc0c8104b2032c87f3
2020-02-07 00:15:46	drew__b	https://pastebin.com/xF1un1RA
2020-02-07 00:16:12	drew__b	^^
2020-02-07 00:21:47	drew__b	so if i `cabal new-clean` and run build the project it works
2020-02-07 00:22:06	alanz	great
2020-02-07 00:22:10	drew__b	but then if i run hie in my vim, i get that error and it infects building  from the cli
2020-02-07 00:22:20	drew__b	and the command line shows that error
2020-02-07 00:22:29	drew__b	so hie is changing something, but i cant tell what
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2020-02-07 00:23:36	drew__b	yeah just confirmed it, don't even need to run it in vim
2020-02-07 00:23:45	drew__b	just runnig `hie-wrapper --debug` causes the error
2020-02-07 00:26:06	drew__b	wait it's direnv
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2020-02-07 00:30:58	drew__b	yep it's direnv doing something strange
2020-02-07 00:31:05	drew__b	i am able to consistently reproduce it
2020-02-07 00:31:11	drew__b	sorry for confusion
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2020-02-07 02:35:25	drew__b	ever see this?
2020-02-07 02:35:27	drew__b	2020-02-06T15:04:42.069 DEBUG (pid:1370088) [language-client-index] - [languageserver.haskell] 2020-02-06 15:04:42.068891831 [ThreadId 15] - Writing err "`cc' failed in phase `Assembler'. (Exit code: 1)"
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2020-02-07 02:40:19	jneira	i had to upgrade vscide from 1.39.1 manually to use thenew version of the extension
2020-02-07 02:41:08	alanz	jneira, I set it to 1.39, so that makes sense
2020-02-07 02:41:13	alanz	current is 1.41, I think
2020-02-07 02:41:31	alanz	1.41.1
2020-02-07 02:42:19	alanz	I have it set up as an apt repo, get auto updates twice a month. Monthly big bump, and then fix-up release a bit later in the month
2020-02-07 02:42:20	jneira	mmm i thought it updated automatically
2020-02-07 02:42:41	alanz	No idea. You can ask it to update. But that is what happens for me on linux.
2020-02-07 02:43:24	alanz	On my work laptop (macos), the thing phones home and says when there is a new version.  For the publicly available one. The internal ones auto update via corporate process
2020-02-07 02:44:50	alanz	jneira, my debian laptop has just popped up a notification on the gear thing on the bottom left, saying a new update is available
2020-02-07 02:45:40	alanz	it will probably wend its way into my apt repo tomorro
2020-02-07 03:08:32	jneira	aha, i think i remember it has updated auto and asked to reload, but not sure
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2020-02-07 03:09:59	alanz	ok
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2020-02-07 15:11:40	mpickering	 cocreature: Do you have some intuition about how object files should be generated? At the moment I have it hooked into typecheckModuleRuleDefinition, so they get written every time a module gets typechecked. This is bad though for the response time for diagnostics for example. 
2020-02-07 15:12:06	mpickering	The reason for this contortion is that you really want to avoid calling the `TypeCheck` rule for transitive dependencies as it uses all your memory
2020-02-07 15:12:18	mpickering	So you have to call `typecheckModule` directly and not cache the result
2020-02-07 15:12:27	mpickering	but obviously you want to avoid calling that as much as possible as well
2020-02-07 15:13:23	mpickering	For people who are using TemplateHaskell a lot, generating the object files saves a lot of time but if you don't, it's obviously worthless. 
2020-02-07 15:13:47	mpickering	It's more difficult as well because when you typecheck a module you don;t know if later you will need its object file
2020-02-07 15:15:39	mpickering	It would also be good to add an assertion to the typecheck module rule that only files "of interest" should be allowed to be typechecked. It's only a matter of time before someone adds another rule which compromises memory performance
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2020-02-08 00:08:29	alanz	fendor, ping
2020-02-08 00:08:37	fendor	alanz, pong
2020-02-08 00:08:51	alanz	pang pung 
2020-02-08 00:09:12	alanz	What do you see as the way ahead for multi-component on hls?
2020-02-08 00:09:21	alanz	Does it need anything more from hie-bios?
2020-02-08 00:09:43	fendor	alanz, I dont think so
2020-02-08 00:09:56	alanz	I didn't either
2020-02-08 00:10:02	fendor	I think ghcide needs to add proper support for it
2020-02-08 00:10:31	alanz	My understanding is that ghcide needs to root the graph on an (HscEnv,x) pair, rather than just x
2020-02-08 00:10:45	alanz	and then manage switching it as needed
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2020-02-08 00:11:57	fendor	yeah, that would be the same approach as in hie
2020-02-08 00:12:33	alanz	thats what I figured. I will see how things go, may take a stab at it this weekend. Since it is vital, and I see no activity
2020-02-08 00:12:44	alanz	And there is no way I am switching over without that
2020-02-08 00:14:27	fendor	reasonable. I am currently I am making myself familiar with ghcide
2020-02-08 00:14:59	fendor	maybe trying my luck on some easy issues
2020-02-08 00:15:43	alanz	good. I am trying to get some basic examples in place as a guide
2020-02-08 00:15:55	fendor	oh yeah, that would be nice, too
2020-02-08 00:16:12	alanz	and right now I am happy to put unpolished stuff in place, it is more about mutually feeling our way through things
2020-02-08 00:16:27	alanz	still in that early exploratory phase, in my opinion
2020-02-08 00:16:44	alanz	So I am dragging code over from hie, beating it into shape a bit, and pushing
2020-02-08 00:16:59	alanz	And so far the experience is pretty good, I have to say.
2020-02-08 00:17:16	alanz	Next task is to understand how to manage config changes for formatters
2020-02-08 00:17:31	alanz	which is a model of general state for hls
2020-02-08 00:17:48	fendor	Is ghcide meant to be an external library or will it be merged in place into hls? 
2020-02-08 00:17:57	alanz	And it will probably be as simple as a rule on the graph asking for the config object
2020-02-08 00:18:09	fendor	does ghcide not have a global state? only files?
2020-02-08 00:18:18	alanz	it will be external. The original concept called it hie-core, if you recall
2020-02-08 00:18:44	alanz	I am sure it has state. But all the interesting stuff happens in the graph, which is a kind of "live" database
2020-02-08 00:18:52	alanz	as I currently model it mentally
2020-02-08 00:19:11	fendor	so, should the plugins in ghcide in the end not live in ghcide but rather in hls?
2020-02-08 00:19:20	alanz	probably
2020-02-08 00:19:47	alanz	I discussed it briefly with cocreature we decided to leave them there for now, move over the other ones, and then get a view on things
2020-02-08 00:20:18	alanz	One thing I have noticed is that the hover docs in ghcide are better in some respects (having source locations), but worse in others, in terms of formatting and the like
2020-02-08 00:20:21	fendor	yeah that makes sense. ghcide is working right now, so no need to change it
2020-02-08 00:20:38	alanz	exactly. We have to prove ourselves first.
2020-02-08 00:20:57	fendor	Well, formatting is trivial, we have a lot of code for that
2020-02-08 00:21:02	alanz	which is the point of a third place, we can go at a pace that works for us, without breaking either ghcide or hie
2020-02-08 00:21:10	fendor	and some proper documentation on how to get started for hls
2020-02-08 00:21:14	alanz	I know, it should be an easy win
2020-02-08 00:22:02	alanz	The erlang language server updates its edocs on save, and they show up on hover. It is pretty cool, we must consider putting haddock in directly
2020-02-08 00:22:20	fendor	actually not quite, when hover itself happens in ghcide, then we have to move the whole code over there? Or is hover a feature as well that should land in hie eventually?
2020-02-08 00:22:36	alanz	there is a *lot* to do on hls, but we must just chip away
2020-02-08 00:22:38	fendor	building haddock takes some time, though :( Are there incremental haddock updates?
2020-02-08 00:22:50	alanz	no idea, it is just something to put on the list
2020-02-08 00:23:15	fendor	yeah, absolutely. Otherwise we will just be intimidated by the amount of work to do!
2020-02-08 00:23:30	alanz	And we launch ghcide, with a set of handlers defined. At the moment we include the default ones, but we dont have to, so can trivially override/leave out ghcide ones
2020-02-08 00:24:00	alanz	in my experience you just start and chip away, and at some point you have something
2020-02-08 00:24:41	alanz	And then it builds up a momentum. We have not lit the fire in hls yes, but once we have it useful, and easy to contribute to, it will fly
2020-02-08 00:24:53	alanz	I am amazed, it already has 360 odd stars
2020-02-08 00:26:16	fendor	really already? I suppose there was quite some advertisement for it
2020-02-08 00:26:58	alanz	yes, pretty high profile. We just have to live up to it
2020-02-08 00:27:25	alanz	which for me means getting multi-cradle in, and then a pre-pre-pre alphs
2020-02-08 00:27:28	alanz	alpha
2020-02-08 00:27:41	fendor	yeah, that sounds like good plan
2020-02-08 00:27:59	fendor	*like a good
2020-02-08 00:28:41	alanz	and the implicit cradle discovery is going to be an important point too.
2020-02-08 00:28:54	fendor	yeah, so, we decide to use c-h right?
2020-02-08 00:29:00	fendor	needs to be changes in the exe/Main.hs
2020-02-08 00:29:07	alanz	My sense is that ghcide is built for big, serious projects, that are prepared to do what it takes to configure, once
2020-02-08 00:29:16	alanz	c-h for implicit, definitely
2020-02-08 00:29:16	fendor	or we can change hie-bios to utilise the s-b-i and the new info from stack
2020-02-08 00:29:42	alanz	fendor, I don't really mind how it gets done, just so long as we get it
2020-02-08 00:30:10	fendor	c-h works fine in most cases. Although it seems to be broken for stack.
2020-02-08 00:30:14	alanz	Whichever way makes the most sense. Which probably means not adding it directly to hie-bios, so it can stay focused.
2020-02-08 00:30:47	alanz	I think stack is falling behind in support for cabal 3 and its newer functionality. Which makes implicit config harder
2020-02-08 00:31:09	fendor	yeah and multiple libraries wont fly with stack, right?
2020-02-08 00:31:09	alanz	but if we can generate a "draft" hie.yaml, that the user can tweak that would help
2020-02-08 00:31:17	alanz	nope
2020-02-08 00:31:40	fendor	wont that split the ecosystem even more?
2020-02-08 00:31:43	fendor	now feature-wise?
2020-02-08 00:32:00	alanz	the stack thing? not really
2020-02-08 00:32:21	alanz	it will catch up some time, and works for projects that dont use the new features
2020-02-08 00:32:34	alanz	so stack preferring people can still do stuff
2020-02-08 00:32:50	fendor	Yeah.. just feels off.
2020-02-08 00:33:04	alanz	just not use the new shiny stuff. We just need to support the things that *can* work with stack, as it will self-select that way
2020-02-08 00:33:30	fendor	yeah, true.
2020-02-08 00:33:34	alanz	its a pendulum, the feature leader changes from time to time. no big deal
2020-02-08 00:33:41	alanz	Anyway, need to be afk for a bit
2020-02-08 00:33:45	fendor	Did someone look into using hie-bios with show-build-info?
2020-02-08 00:33:49	fendor	same, dinner time
2020-02-08 00:52:01	alanz	fendor, re show-build-info, I dont think so. If anyone, it would be lukelau 
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2020-02-08 20:34:22	dxld	fendor: ugh, after merging that pr c-h's ci is totally broken now :|
2020-02-08 20:34:41	fendor	dxld, why, what happened?
2020-02-08 20:34:57	dxld	but I dunno what the hell, it was passing (ish) before and now suddenly I get a bunch of .../setup-config: File Not Found errors
2020-02-08 20:35:04	fendor	0.o
2020-02-08 20:35:06	fendor	oh noes
2020-02-08 20:35:14	dxld	I do have this thing that pins the hackage index to the commit date
2020-02-08 20:35:24	dxld	but that's disabled for the nightlies (or so I think)
2020-02-08 20:35:51	dxld	but I also don't know why any new dependency version would fuck that up
2020-02-08 20:36:09	dxld	oh and it seems to be in tests involving stack only
2020-02-08 20:36:24	dxld	but stack is also pinned via the ci image and not installed as a dependency
2020-02-08 20:36:41	fendor	your ci setup sounds really complex
2020-02-08 20:36:45	dxld	pff
2020-02-08 20:37:10	dxld	sophisticated is the word :)
2020-02-08 20:37:31	alanz	dxld, FYI, I found on the cabal side that every now and then I have to blow away the store, as it is unable to build cabal helper
2020-02-08 20:37:41	dxld	well I want my CI builds to be reprocible years from now
2020-02-08 20:37:55	alanz	claims it ends up with diamond deps
2020-02-08 20:37:56	dxld	yeah that's what we just fixed
2020-02-08 20:38:03	dxld	"fixed"
2020-02-08 20:38:29	alanz	it should probably be reported to the stack guys, but not sure how to make a reproducable test case
2020-02-08 20:38:34	fendor	worked around
2020-02-08 20:38:36	alanz	s/stack/cabal/
2020-02-08 20:38:45	dxld	fendor: yes :)
2020-02-08 20:38:54	fendor	alanz, https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/6483
2020-02-08 20:38:57	dxld	alanz: there is an issue for it
2020-02-08 20:39:04	alanz	great
2020-02-08 20:39:15	dxld	jneira reported it for c-h and they marked it as dup IIRC
2020-02-08 20:39:37	fendor	dxld, that is sophisticated, but I am just looking at it with my mouth open :)
2020-02-08 20:40:00	fendor	which is funny, because cabal has tons of duplicated issues
2020-02-08 20:40:05	alanz	I get a different one, the solver literally complaining of trying to install two instances of the same package, with different hashes
2020-02-08 20:40:18	alanz	Which is probably just a different manifestation of the same bug
2020-02-08 20:40:36	dxld	if it really looks different it might be worth reporting too
2020-02-08 20:41:06	fendor	alanz, I got that one as well
2020-02-08 20:41:35	dxld	I fucking hate these irreproducible bugs..
2020-02-08 20:41:54	alanz	it fails during configure. And that is cured by flushing the store. Or bumping the HIE_CACHE var, which does the same thing
2020-02-08 20:42:01	dxld	building a nice minimal, self-contained reproducer is such a joy
2020-02-08 20:42:10	dxld	and then you get this sort of crap :)
2020-02-08 20:42:12	alanz	dxld, its from living on the bleeding edge of cabal features
2020-02-08 20:42:30	dxld	private libs are hardly bleeding at this point
2020-02-08 20:42:35	fendor	irreproducible bugs in some concurrent settings that happen only on a system you dont own (or not used to work on) is the greatest joy :)
2020-02-08 20:42:36	alanz	I am trying to find a circleci build with it in the log. There are a couple
2020-02-08 20:42:55	dxld	fendor: if only we had ssh access to CI machines, if only
2020-02-08 20:43:07	dxld	oh wait, that's exactly what my CI lets me do, duh :P
2020-02-08 20:43:23	fendor	dxld, is gitlab so versatile or permissive?
2020-02-08 20:43:31	dxld	I just run my own runner
2020-02-08 20:43:41	dxld	can just docker exec into the container if I want/need to
2020-02-08 20:43:55	dxld	sr.ht's build service is even better
2020-02-08 20:44:11	dxld	you can set a variable that opens up an ssh port to connect to the running build
2020-02-08 20:44:23	dxld	or only if it fails if you like
2020-02-08 20:44:43	dxld	(but unfortunately it's still a bit alpha in terms of everything else)
2020-02-08 20:45:01	dxld	once builds.sr.ht is easier to self-host I'm soo switching
2020-02-08 20:45:05	alanz	fendor, you can ssh into a circleci box too, just rerun the test from the dropdown, choosing that option
2020-02-08 20:45:54	dxld	any CI service that doesn't have that option in fucking 2020 is just so braindead IMO
2020-02-08 20:46:08	alanz	agree
2020-02-08 20:46:10	dxld	the time I've wasted trying to debug travis builds, I'll never get back
2020-02-08 20:46:23	dxld	I built my own fucking local travis runner clone to do it
2020-02-08 20:46:24	fendor	dxld, in UnitImplV2, what is a `project:setup` target?
2020-02-08 20:46:34	fendor	referring to https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/issues/95#issuecomment-583744723
2020-02-08 20:46:36	dxld	I'm not sure
2020-02-08 20:46:46	dxld	I think that "setup" must be from plan.json
2020-02-08 20:46:53	dxld	but I don't recall ever seeing that
2020-02-08 20:47:04	dxld	you could check the module that renders plan.json in cabal
2020-02-08 20:47:46	fendor	whoop, lets jump into that rabbit whole
2020-02-08 20:47:55	fendor	first I am going to look at plan.json itself
2020-02-08 20:48:07	dxld	yeah if you have a reproducer that'd be easier
2020-02-08 20:48:17	fendor	we do
2020-02-08 20:48:19	dxld	I can't remember the name of the plan.json module anymore anyways
2020-02-08 20:48:38	fendor	simple project with a custom setup is enough with hie
2020-02-08 20:49:01	dxld	so c-h just picks up whatever target name is in plan.json
2020-02-08 20:49:05	fendor	e.g. `cabal init`, add custom-setup, then run `hie --debug Main.hs` and in the logs you can see the error
2020-02-08 20:49:15	dxld	maybe they added something new there and I didn't notice
2020-02-08 20:49:25	dxld	tbh I should have a test for custom setup though
2020-02-08 20:49:32	dxld	so a PR for that would be great anyways
2020-02-08 20:52:28	dxld	so the target names are done in unitTargets in Programs/CabalInstall.hs
2020-02-08 20:52:58	dxld	which uses cabal-plan's dispCompNameTarget (which I added)
2020-02-08 20:53:02	dxld	that has a CompNameSetup
2020-02-08 20:53:27	dxld	I don't recall that existing when I added that function so maybe that got fudged up
2020-02-08 20:54:47	dxld	nope, that was just always there
2020-02-08 20:55:03	fendor	dxld, https://gist.github.com/fendor/49ddb5da42a82227bd1f3bc4f239bd74 that's what it looks like
2020-02-08 20:55:17	dxld	guess we'll have to teach cabal about that :)
2020-02-08 20:55:31	fendor	is that wrong?
2020-02-08 20:55:42	fendor	or is setup a different kind of component?
2020-02-08 20:55:52	dxld	setup is the Setup.hs program
2020-02-08 20:55:57	fendor	yeah
2020-02-08 20:56:14	dxld	I would kind of like to be able to treat that as just another exe in the project
2020-02-08 20:56:28	dxld	but cabal likely doesn't see things that way currently
2020-02-08 20:56:47	dxld	so I guess as a workaround just filter the component as cabal will build it by itself when configuring
2020-02-08 20:57:13	dxld	but for tooling purposes I would still like to be able to configure it
2020-02-08 20:57:23	dxld	though I guess there isn't really anything to configure..
2020-02-08 20:57:35	fendor	so, just filter it out is sensible?
2020-02-08 20:57:38	dxld	Setup.hs is just going to have to be a special case
2020-02-08 20:57:51	dxld	you'll have to think about that a bit
2020-02-08 20:58:27	dxld	what we want is to be able to get enough build info to have hie (or whatever) open Setup.hs and work just like any other haskell file in the project
2020-02-08 20:58:45	dxld	Setup.hs can now actually have external dependencies and 'other-modules' I believe
2020-02-08 20:58:53	fendor	oh, yeah, I see
2020-02-08 20:58:59	dxld	so we'll have to do some ammount of tickling info out of cabal
2020-02-08 20:59:08	fendor	so, it should be strictly speaking its own type of component?
2020-02-08 20:59:12	dxld	first question: does it have a dist-dir now?
2020-02-08 20:59:21	dxld	I guess
2020-02-08 20:59:33	dxld	It's kind of like a test in that it is just a special type of exe
2020-02-08 20:59:42	dxld	but I'm not sure that's how it's implemented
2020-02-08 21:00:13	dxld	since it's kind of in a weird place since it has to be built independently before the real build system takes over there might be some rough edges
2020-02-08 21:00:47	dxld	Ah!
2020-02-08 21:01:08	dxld	ok so in this case, build-type:custom, cabal always uses the legacy fallback
2020-02-08 21:01:21	dxld	so we do actually get a dist-dir for this component
2020-02-08 21:01:40	dxld	now the question is: does this setup-config have info on how to build Setup.hs?
2020-02-08 21:02:02	dxld	my guess would be no because that wasn't part of the original Cabal/cabal-install division of labour
2020-02-08 21:02:36	dxld	also cabal-install has to build Setup.hs, if the custom-setup were to build it we'd have a staging problem
2020-02-08 21:03:03	fendor	it looks like it has its own folder in dist-newstyle, is that the dist-dir? https://gist.github.com/fendor/4a31137e80746b2f37fb5e4adb09cfa7
2020-02-08 21:04:04	dxld	that would make sense
2020-02-08 21:04:12	dxld	but no, that's just the ghc builddir
2020-02-08 21:04:15	dxld	no setup-config in there
2020-02-08 21:04:27	dxld	so I'm not actually sure how they build this
2020-02-08 21:04:37	dxld	you'd have to go deep diving in cabal's code
2020-02-08 21:04:51	dxld	SetupWrapper.hs is probably a good place to start
2020-02-08 21:05:07	dxld	that's where it abstracts away whether build-type:simple or :custom is used
2020-02-08 21:05:43	fendor	I updated the build thingy to get files
2020-02-08 21:05:54	fendor	*to see files
2020-02-08 21:06:10	fendor	does show-build-info expose these infos, too? Maybe that could be useful, too?
2020-02-08 21:08:20	dxld	hmm
2020-02-08 21:08:45	dxld	likely not if setup isn't built by a lib:Cabal instance
2020-02-08 21:09:20	dxld	I was hoping cabal-install would now just instantiate a normal lib:Cabal build system to get this done but I guess not if there's no setup-config for that anywhere?
2020-02-08 21:12:19	fendor	ok. So, any roadmap on how to do this?
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2020-02-09 16:38:55	alanz	cocreature (or) mpickering ping
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2020-02-09 17:19:37	cocreature	alanz: what’s up?
2020-02-09 17:19:59	alanz	cocreature, a question about ghcide
2020-02-09 17:20:18	alanz	I want to manage the DidChangeClientconfiguration message
2020-02-09 17:20:32	alanz	And am working out where to store the value in the graph
2020-02-09 17:20:56	alanz	And I suspect it needs to go into IdeState, making the options parameterised via the type used for config
2020-02-09 17:21:13	alanz	is that the right way to do it?
2020-02-09 17:21:35	alanz	so it gets treated like the vars for diagnostics and the like
2020-02-09 17:22:21	alanz	The other option seems to be to use the addIdeGlobal mechanism, but I amnot sure how to plumb it through
2020-02-09 17:25:12	cocreature	IdeState sounds reasonable
2020-02-09 17:25:47	alanz	thats what I thought. I am starting to work on a PR for that, will publish it when ready
2020-02-09 17:26:37	alanz	I spent a large chunk of yesterday exploring the ghcide code to work out how to do it. A good exercise, best learning is when you are looking for a purpose
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2020-02-09 20:44:43	alanz	cocreature, I just realized we already have config support in haskell-lsp.  Oops
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2020-02-10 15:32:19	jneira_	hi dxld
2020-02-10 15:34:12	dxld	ah, I was just going to give you some quick feedback on the c-h PR here, but now I've already done the review
2020-02-10 15:34:26	jneira_	:+1:
2020-02-10 15:34:39	dxld	core message: ghc/ghc-pkg are mandatory but haddock is allowed to be missing so we have to handle that properly
2020-02-10 15:35:16	dxld	it's strange your CI environment doesn't have haddock available though
2020-02-10 15:36:44	jneira_	yeah, weird enough, only happens for ghc-8.6.4 :-/
2020-02-10 15:37:07	dxld	and only on windows, right?
2020-02-10 15:37:38	dxld	well not having haddock, while weird, is totally fair so we better handle it
2020-02-10 15:37:42	jneira_	yep
2020-02-10 15:38:04	dxld	the other problem I found is that the symlink farm just gets deleted immediately, so it's a nop anyways >_<
2020-02-10 15:38:21	jneira_	ok, so i should remove the actual conditions over symlinking
2020-02-10 15:38:51	dxld	there should just be one condition on if haddock is available or not
2020-02-10 15:39:26	jneira_	mmm ok
2020-02-10 15:41:21	jneira_	i'll replace `withSystemTempDirectory` too
2020-02-10 15:41:47	dxld	that's a bit more tricky because you have to find a place to do the cleanup
2020-02-10 15:42:32	dxld	maybe we should only create the symlink farm once we actually run stack..
2020-02-10 15:44:21	jneira_	ok, it seems the friction here is caused by the PATH mangling done by stack
2020-02-10 15:44:30	dxld	absolutely
2020-02-10 15:44:45	dxld	if stack just had --with-ghc=some/where/ghc none of this crap would be needed
2020-02-10 15:45:01	dxld	but I just can't be bothered to patch that into stack
2020-02-10 15:45:22	dxld	I looked at the code and it's so complicated that adding something so trivial is pretty annoying
2020-02-10 15:46:45	dxld	ok, so I think instead of having the stackEnv field in Programs if we just stick a bool in there that says whether or not to do the symlink farm we can create it when we actually run stack
2020-02-10 15:46:53	dxld	that would be much simpler tmpdir teardown wise
2020-02-10 15:47:13	dxld	because then it just needs to span over buildProjectTarget
2020-02-10 15:49:19	jneira_	mmm ok, cause give up to tell stack which ghc has to use would be asymmetrical
2020-02-10 15:50:50	jneira_	*/ghc/ghc,ghc-pkg,haddock/
2020-02-10 15:58:14	dxld	well the whole point of getting it to use exactly what we want is my future vision for using a ghc server to build for both the ide and regular on-disk artifacts
2020-02-10 15:58:54	dxld	technically we aren't in a place where we can do that yet anyways so this feature isn't super critical
2020-02-10 15:59:31	dxld	but at the end of the day I still want to be able to tell stack what binary to use
2020-02-10 15:59:44	dxld	if only for my own sanity when running the c-h tests
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2020-02-10 16:10:16	jneira_	agree
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2020-02-11 01:56:30	jneira	i think we should put a big warning on top of hie output without --lsp
2020-02-11 01:57:18	jneira	Another user bitten: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1564#issuecomment-584329549
2020-02-11 01:57:59	alanz	oops
2020-02-11 02:08:22	jneira	wait, the output is no exactly the actual without `--lsp` but the behaviour is similar
2020-02-11 02:09:21	jneira	i dont see the `To run as a LSP server on stdio, provide the '--lsp' argument`
2020-02-11 02:10:42	alanz	well, maybe we need to add that. PR?
2020-02-11 02:11:21	jneira	i mean it actually shows it
2020-02-11 02:11:35	jneira	(maybe it should be more visible)
2020-02-11 02:11:59	jneira	but in the user case it does not show it
2020-02-11 02:17:57	jneira	it should be using an older version, that had not that message
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2020-02-11 03:06:46	sim590	I'm experiencing something weird. HIE doesn't work anymore with projects having a cabal config file. Standalone files work however.
2020-02-11 03:07:18	sim590	I'm using v1.0.
2020-02-11 03:10:34	jneira	mmm weird indeed, cabal config file is `<pkgname>.cabal` or `cabal.project`
2020-02-11 03:11:49	sim590	the former
2020-02-11 03:16:54	sim590	I'm trying a newer version which is around 20 revision behind actual master now.
2020-02-11 03:23:25	sim590	I'm not sure how I should check for error messages. If I just run hie-wrapper --lsp -d before opening my text editor (vim, in this case), would I see log messages?
2020-02-11 03:25:25	sim590	Aside from this which I have not yet tried, I can say that hie 1.0 was running ghc which was using 100% of one CPU computing power while no error messages are shown on the screen even though ghci shows an error for the Main.hs file.
2020-02-11 03:30:23	jneira	I am not using vim but hie writes output to stderr and stdout you can set `-l path/to/log` too 
2020-02-11 03:31:44	jneira	if you run `hie -d` (without `--lsp`) in a console in the project root dir `hie`will try to load all the files, showing the possible errors
2020-02-11 03:32:01	sim590	jneira: alright. I should use -l flag in the subcommand called by vim plugin.
2020-02-11 03:32:20	sim590	Alright. I will try all of those.
2020-02-11 03:33:07	jneira	:+1:
2020-02-11 03:40:19	sim590	jneira: when I don't use --lsp flag, hie-wrapper exits with exit code 0.
2020-02-11 03:41:35	sim590	The log is this: https://paste.debian.net/1130086/ I'm not sure what's wrong, since the exit code is 0, everything should be fine? But there is an error in the Main.hs file.
2020-02-11 03:46:01	jneira	mmm dont see any mention to Main.hs in the log 
2020-02-11 03:46:12	jneira	> jneira: when I don't use --lsp flag, hie-wrapper exits with exit code 0.
2020-02-11 03:47:12	jneira	I see partial output of cabal builds in the log
2020-02-11 03:47:37	jneira	if you run `cabal build` in the project, does it work fine?
2020-02-11 03:49:43	sim590	Here: https://paste.debian.net/1130088/. I have added -l and -d flags to my vim config's subcommand. There ist more output there.
2020-02-11 03:50:15	sim590	I was editing the file Geometry.hs here though.
2020-02-11 03:50:32	sim590	But no error was shown in Vim.
2020-02-11 03:51:20	jneira	mmm do you have a `hie.yaml` file in the root dir
2020-02-11 03:51:23	jneira	?
2020-02-11 03:51:44	sim590	I do cabal v2-build and I get the error shown in the Main.hs file.
2020-02-11 03:52:53	sim590	Here: https://paste.debian.net/1130092/ when I open Main.hs (which doesn't import Geometry.hs yet) and I write the file which triggers hie-wrapper.
2020-02-11 03:53:15	sim590	The file is quite explanatory: https://paste.debian.net/1130093/. It's missing a parenthesis.
2020-02-11 03:53:34	sim590	jneira: No, I don't have that.
2020-02-11 03:53:42	sim590	Should I?
2020-02-11 03:54:03	jneira	no necessarily
2020-02-11 03:56:01	sim590	Seems like I'm having this "Scheduler thread exited unexpectedly: hie-8.6.5: signal: 15" at the end of the log.
2020-02-11 03:56:16	jneira	ok, in the logs there are several tries to load files from diff locations
2020-02-11 03:57:34	sim590	Hmmmm. The cabal file is quite simple: https://paste.debian.net/1130094/. It was made automatically by "cabal init".
2020-02-11 03:57:55	sim590	I have removed "src" as the source directory though.
2020-02-11 03:58:03	jneira	`hie.yaml` is the way you can set an explicit config of how to load your project: see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#project-configuration
2020-02-11 03:58:29	jneira	the implicit config needs a project with either a `cabal.project`or `stack.yaml`
2020-02-11 03:58:38	sim590	Well.. There it is it seems. It needs to be in src/
2020-02-11 03:58:56	jneira	with `cabal.project`the project must be buildable with cabal
2020-02-11 03:59:21	jneira	(so `cabal build`must work)
2020-02-11 03:59:23	sim590	jneira: it was buildable though when I did not have "hs-source-dirs:      src" in my cabal file.
2020-02-11 04:01:08	sim590	Now I don't understand... I have uncomented hs-source-dirs line, then run Vim and it didn't work. Then, I moved Main in src and it worked...
2020-02-11 04:01:16	jneira	mmm so uncommenting `hs-source-dirs:      src` make it fail?
2020-02-11 04:01:19	jneira	oh ok
2020-02-11 04:01:24	sim590	Then, I commented the line again and moved the file again in .. and it works also.
2020-02-11 04:01:53	sim590	I'm not sure what's happenning. I think I am not describing something correctly or that I did somethign wrong somewhere without noticing..
2020-02-11 04:02:25	jneira	you have hie running all the time? i am afraid it should be restarted to see cabal onfig changes
2020-02-11 04:02:32	jneira	*config
2020-02-11 04:03:17	sim590	Nope. It's run when I open Vim.
2020-02-11 04:03:42	jneira	dont worry, cabal and hie itself have friction points that should be fixed
2020-02-11 04:03:49	sim590	I'm a bit confused and I have the feeling I have not given the proper information. I'm sorry ... I don't know why it's working now and what's the difference.
2020-02-11 04:05:04	jneira	afaik `hs-source-dirs:      whatever` should exist and point to an existing dir with the source files
2020-02-11 04:06:54	sim590	OK. I will try to watch for that parameter.
2020-02-11 04:09:29	jneira	i've got the rror if i comment `hs-source-dirs`: `cabal.exe: can't find source for Main in .`
2020-02-11 04:10:13	jneira	so if you dont have `hs-source-dirs` it looks for the file `Main.hs` in the current dir (i.e. the project root dir)
2020-02-11 04:11:49	jneira	maybe did you have the `Main.hs`at top level at some point?
2020-02-11 04:12:24	jneira	and it worked without `hs-source-dirs` and then you set it but without moving the file?
2020-02-11 04:12:31	jneira	sim590 ^^
2020-02-11 04:14:04	jneira	he i was not aware of that cabal behaviour, i always set `hs-source-dirs`
2020-02-11 04:16:00	jneira	sim590 dont worry, it is good to have a newcomer pov to be aware of bad ui of our tools
2020-02-11 04:16:06	sim590	jneira: At first every file was in the root directory.
2020-02-11 04:16:49	jneira	maybe `cabal init` does it if you dont tell explicitly to put the files in separate dirs 
2020-02-11 04:18:40	jneira	i would suggest to use `cabal init -i` and respond n to the first question
2020-02-11 04:19:30	jneira	so it would guide you for each choice, i found it more helpful that the actual default behavior (it create all the files without any question)
2020-02-11 04:21:15	sim590	Yes, it must be easier.
2020-02-11 04:26:25	jneira	dont hesitate in ask anything :-)
2020-02-11 04:28:09	jneira	so after a succesful `cabal build` of the project, hie should work and show compile error, info on hover (not sure how it works in vim), etc
2020-02-11 04:31:41	sim590	jneira: Yeah, everything seems to work. Except now since some update that I did in the past, renaming bindings doesn't work anymore. I get this error: "[LC] [Error] haskell-lsp:no handler for. Object (fromList [("jsonrpc",String "2.0"),("params",Object (from List [("newName",String "toto"),("textDocument",Object (fromList [("uri",String
2020-02-11 04:31:43	sim590	"file:///home/simon/prog/emo/src/Main.hs")])),("position",Object (fromList [("line",Number 38.0),("character",Number 2.0)]))])),("method",String "textDocument/rename"),("id",Number 5.0)])".
2020-02-11 04:32:37	sim590	Renaming is not supported anymore by HIE?
2020-02-11 04:33:19	jneira	i am afraid that it does not (temporary)
2020-02-11 04:33:45	jneira	we did recently a big internal refactor and it is one of the pending tasks
2020-02-11 04:34:19	jneira	probable it will be done in a new project that will be the succesor of hie: haskell-language-server
2020-02-11 04:34:42	sim590	OK! That is what I suspected. It's not a deal breaker for me though. I have other efficient means to serach/replace variables.
2020-02-11 04:34:52	jneira	see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#integration-with-ghcide-the-new-haskell-language-server
2020-02-11 04:34:59	sim590	jneira: Yes. I read about that on the main page.
2020-02-11 04:35:11	jneira	:+1:
2020-02-11 04:35:44	jneira	happy hacking! time to god to bed for me
2020-02-11 04:35:48	jneira	good night!
2020-02-11 04:35:54	jneira	*go
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2020-02-11 04:58:40	sim590	jneira: good night! Thanks for help!
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2020-02-12 15:19:30	christiaanb	Hi, is this also the "help" channel for ghcide now that the projects are collaborating? or do they have their own?
2020-02-12 15:36:24	jneira_	mmm well here they are some ghcide contributors so maybe one of them could help you if they are online
2020-02-12 15:36:39	jneira_	christiaanb ^^
2020-02-12 15:36:56	christiaanb	alright, nice
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2020-02-12 16:07:11	christiaanb	I was just wondering how people are getting default extensions to work
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2020-02-12 16:10:40	christiaanb	or how Multi-Cradle is supposed to work
2020-02-12 16:12:37	christiaanb	e.g. for https://github.com/clash-lang/ghc-typelits-natnormalise when I add the following `hie.yaml` 
2020-02-12 16:12:52	christiaanb	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/OzYnEAYj/hie.yaml
2020-02-12 16:13:12	christiaanb	I get:
2020-02-12 16:13:18	christiaanb	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/uRdthn6K/
2020-02-12 16:14:31	christiaanb	mpickering: do you have any idea what's going on with the above hie.yaml configuration?
2020-02-12 16:17:51	cocreature	ghcide does not support multi-cradles atm
2020-02-12 16:28:36	christiaanb	ah, alright
2020-02-12 16:30:34	christiaanb	cocreature: are default-extensions in specified in .cabal files work?
2020-02-12 16:30:47	cocreature	I thought they do but I’m not sure I ever tested it
2020-02-12 16:31:10	cocreature	we just pass on whatever hie-bios gives us which in turn relies on what `cabal v2-repl` gives us
2020-02-12 16:32:01	christiaanb	I see
2020-02-12 16:33:53	christiaanb	ah, it does seem to work
2020-02-12 16:34:02	christiaanb	but I  get weird issues with SafeHaskell
2020-02-12 16:57:49	christiaanb	okay, SafeHaskell issue reported at: https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/issues/424   although it's probably some upstream issue
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2020-02-14 03:13:38	alanz	cocreature, I think I can harmonize my config patch and #412 by using initializeRequestHandler to pick up the workspace folders
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2020-02-14 13:17:27	ComplYue	hello, I'm trying to see how far I can go without stack, with HIE enabled VSCode, as I'm on Ubuntu, I installed GHC 8.8.2/8.6.5, cabal-install 3.2.0.0/3.0.1.0 from hvr's ppa. I have to use cabal 3.0 as cabal-helper wants to install Cabal the lib 3.2 but fails due to hackage don't have 3.2
2020-02-14 13:18:15	ComplYue	> If you want to avoid this automatic installation altogether install
2020-02-14 13:18:15	ComplYue	> version 3.2.0.0 of the Cabal library manually, either using cabal or your
2020-02-14 13:18:15	ComplYue	> system package manager. With cabal you can use the following command:
2020-02-14 13:18:15	ComplYue	>     $ cabal install Cabal --constraint "Cabal == 3.2.0.0"
2020-02-14 13:20:20	ComplYue	is there an option with HIE, like hvr did for Ubuntu to use latest Cabal before officially bumped to hackage ?
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2020-02-14 13:31:27	jneira_	you can try to install Cabal-3.2.0.0 globally as suggested in the message (it would be `cabal v1-install Cabal-3.2.0.0`)
2020-02-14 13:31:37	jneira_	bu it can drive to other problems :-)
2020-02-14 13:34:51	jneira_	not sure if not sure if `cabal v2-install Cabal-3.2.0.0 --lib` would work 
2020-02-14 13:35:46	ComplYue	it just fails, I think bcoz hackage has 3.0.0.0 as the highest version available yet
2020-02-14 13:38:06	ComplYue	wouldn't it break the cabal utility, if its lib is upgraded to 3.2 separately ? 
2020-02-14 13:43:48	ComplYue	btw, to workaround https://github.com/haskell/haddock/issues/1123 , but without stack, I did add the following to cabal.project:
2020-02-14 13:43:53	ComplYue	source-repository-package
2020-02-14 13:43:56	ComplYue	    type: git
2020-02-14 13:43:56	ComplYue	    location: https://github.com/haskell/haddock.git
2020-02-14 13:43:56	ComplYue	    tag: be8b02c4e3cffe7d45b3dad0a0f071d35a274d65
2020-02-14 13:43:56	ComplYue	    subdir: haddock-api
2020-02-14 13:44:49	jneira_	> it just fails, I think bcoz hackage has 3.0.0.0 as the highest version available yet
2020-02-14 13:45:16	ComplYue	I see there's corresponding hack in stack.yaml, but to build hie with cabal, need this in cabal.project.
2020-02-14 13:45:51	jneira_	you'll have to install Cabal from source then (not sure how does ppr manage to install a no released version, not linux here :-/)
2020-02-14 13:48:04	jneira_	thank for the note about haddock, would you be interested in open a pr to add that change?
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2020-02-14 14:10:20	ComplYue	I last tried, Cabal 3.2 can not be built with ghc 8.8.2 due to some important dependency not being 8.8 compatible yet, I think I'd wait official 3.2 then to build from src with ghc 8.8
2020-02-14 14:14:38	jneira_	live in the bleeding edge have those things :-)
2020-02-14 14:18:03	ComplYue	yeah. I'm trying the PR, but my internet conn to github is rather unstable (even through VPN) behind GFW, it'll take some time
2020-02-14 14:20:00	jneira_	dont worry, it' a little bit strange that other hie linux devs did not hit the issue but make sense that if stack needed it, cabal does
2020-02-14 14:23:56	ComplYue	um, there's https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/commit/ff65920f519568ce9d440138b06b5771c27e5ecd I forgot I just followed it, not sure why the master branch I pulled doesn't have it, but seems the commit is already there.
2020-02-14 14:29:56	jneira_	whoops
2020-02-14 14:30:05	jneira_	it was removed at some point, weird
2020-02-14 14:30:35	ComplYue	ah, I see, it lives in a pending PR https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1606 so it's better not merged to master as said in the comments
2020-02-14 14:30:50	ComplYue	or it'll break 8.4/8.6
2020-02-14 14:30:58	jneira_	ah ok that makes sense
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2020-02-14 14:43:17	ComplYue	another attempt I'm doing is to  generate an offline hoogle database to be access locally, but with mere cabal, it can be done with `stack hoogle --server ` or `nix-shell --run 'hoogle server --local'`,
2020-02-14 14:43:19	ComplYue	 but `cabal-v2 exec hoogle` doesn't seem to maintain a project local package database with all dependencies installed for hoogle to index, I wonder how HIE did it without stack ?
2020-02-14 14:46:11	ComplYue	my HIE enabled VSCode does tip haddock info correctly, without .stack-work generated, so I'm sure HIE does something right which I missed
2020-02-14 14:47:45	ComplYue	my attempt to generate hoogle database err out:
2020-02-14 14:47:46	ComplYue	$ cabal v2-exec hoogle -- generate --local
2020-02-14 14:47:46	ComplYue	Starting generate
2020-02-14 14:47:46	ComplYue	Reading ghc-pkg... 0.23s
2020-02-14 14:47:46	ComplYue	Packages missing documentation:                 array                 base                 binary                 bytestring                 Cabal                 containers                 deepseq                 directory                 filepath                 ghc                 ghc-boot                 ghc-boot-th                 ghc-compact                 ghc-heap                 ghc-prim                 ghci         
2020-02-14 14:47:46	ComplYue	        haskeline                 hpc                 integer-gmp                 libiserv                 mtl                 parsec                 pretty                 process                 stm                 template-haskell                 terminfo                 text                 time                 transformers                 unix                 xhtml            rts
2020-02-14 14:47:47	ComplYue	No packages were found, aborting (use no arguments to index all of Stackage)
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2020-02-14 15:29:45	jneira_	ComplYue the diff is in the `--local`arg, afaik hie would use haddock docs for local packages auto
2020-02-14 15:31:44	jneira_	however `cabal v2-exec hoogle -- generate --local`works for me if i execute them in the project root dir
2020-02-14 15:32:01	jneira_	maybe did you execute in a directory that has not project info?
2020-02-14 15:32:37	jneira_	no, it throws another error: `No cabal.project file or cabal file matching...`
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2020-02-14 16:48:39	ComplYue	I guess maybe my ghc from ppa doesn't have haddock with the installed packages. I'm still waiting my nix env to install haskellPackages, will check whether nix installed ghc makes any difference.
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2020-02-14 17:21:54	jneira_	alanz: what do you think about use ghc-8.6.5 for the default satck.yaml?
2020-02-14 17:22:39	jneira_	i am fixing the failing test in windows and i've found that unit tests needs up to 4 ghc installed
2020-02-14 17:23:31	jneira_	one for building, one for install liquidhaskell, another for tests stackyaml (ghc-8.6.5) and finally one for the default `stack.yaml`in the project
2020-02-14 17:24:09	jneira_	(well in fact now they are three cause 2 == 3)
2020-02-14 17:24:19	alanz	jneira_: instead of 8.8.x? Given the windows problems with that version,  it makes sense
2020-02-14 17:25:15	jneira_	i've found a little bit weird that tests need the ghc of the default `stack.yaml`, fendor: maybe you have a clue?
2020-02-14 17:25:26	jneira_	fendor: first of all, good morning :-)
2020-02-14 17:25:43	fendor	jneira_, good morning! 
2020-02-14 17:26:48	fendor	the tests are using the default `stack.yaml`? Does not ring a bell at first for me, but I was thinking about changing the tests to use the direct cradle, anyways
2020-02-14 17:29:00	jneira_	i added a trace to hunt the windows failing tests: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/compare/master...jneira:azure-ch-win#diff-8134e86af784446400558bb3cbfe7dcfR104-R107
2020-02-14 17:31:50	jneira_	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/2dbbac6c6ec679e7321a6d2c61815934/pasted.txt
2020-02-14 17:32:28	fendor	uh, what? That is for which CI, 8.8.2 I suppose?
2020-02-14 17:32:38	fendor	what loads ghc 8.4.4 0.o
2020-02-14 17:32:57	fendor	or is that the same test-case just with different ghc versions?
2020-02-14 17:33:17	jneira_	nope, that is for ghc-8.4.4
2020-02-14 17:33:23	jneira_	the weird one is ghc-8.8.2
2020-02-14 17:33:29	fendor	yeah, absolutely weird
2020-02-14 17:33:47	jneira_	some stack invocation is losing the stack.yaml
2020-02-14 17:33:54	jneira_	and they are picking the default one
2020-02-14 17:34:00	jneira_	(i guess)
2020-02-14 17:34:24	fendor	but the project root is even correct
2020-02-14 17:34:54	fendor	maybe the stack files are not set-up at the right moment?
2020-02-14 17:35:06	jneira_	mmm i think it is due to execProjectGhc
2020-02-14 17:35:14	jneira_	for stack it has not stack.yaml
2020-02-14 17:35:20	jneira_	argument, afaiu
2020-02-14 17:35:38	jneira_	and the invocations cwd are in the project root
2020-02-14 17:35:47	fendor	oh.
2020-02-14 17:36:14	fendor	did I not use the cradleRootDir?
2020-02-14 17:36:25	jneira_	for cabal it is picking the default ghc in PATH, but we already know that caveat
2020-02-14 17:36:40	fendor	yep
2020-02-14 17:36:43	fendor	you are right
2020-02-14 17:36:48	jneira_	i have to put the stack ghc in path to make it works with cabal
2020-02-14 17:37:04	fendor	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Cradle.hs#L134
2020-02-14 17:37:18	fendor	this one should set the current working directory to cradleRootDir
2020-02-14 17:37:32	jneira_	yeah, that could be a good fix
2020-02-14 17:38:00	jneira_	dont know whay it works for linux a macos tbh
2020-02-14 17:38:06	jneira_	*why
2020-02-14 17:39:20	fendor	neither but it should be broken in the same way
2020-02-14 17:40:12	jneira_	the errors in aplyRefact was caused by that: i dont have ghc-8.8.2
2020-02-14 17:40:36	jneira_	i think the stck command downloads the appropiate ghc and then outputs the correct libdir
2020-02-14 17:40:59	jneira_	but in windows the last message in stdout is from 7zip instead from stack
2020-02-14 17:41:03	jneira_	weird indeed
2020-02-14 17:41:07	fendor	I am currently compiling a fix, pr will be open in the next minutes
2020-02-14 17:41:20	jneira_	nice ;-)
2020-02-14 17:43:19	jneira_	ok so no need to change the default stack.yaml to fix the symptom
2020-02-14 17:43:29	fendor	hopefully not
2020-02-14 17:43:56	jneira_	i cant believe stack will release a lts with ghc-8.8.2
2020-02-14 17:44:40	fendor	they did the same with ghc 8.6.3, was broken as well
2020-02-14 17:45:15	jneira_	jumm, well only for windows but whatever
2020-02-14 17:46:33	fendor	I suppose for enterprise, broken on windows isnt as bad since a lot of software is deployed on linux?
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2020-02-14 17:49:54	fendor	jneira_, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1654
2020-02-14 17:50:13	fendor	unfortunately, it currently doesnt build for me due to cabal-helper with cabal
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2020-02-14 18:03:24	jneira_	in my branch i am using cabal-helper head without priv lib
2020-02-14 18:03:59	jneira_	https://github.com/jneira/cabal-helper/tree/fix-stack
2020-02-14 18:04:13	jneira_	(with a revert to make it work for stack)
2020-02-14 18:04:24	fendor	CI seems to compile, so you can try it out if it works now :)
2020-02-14 18:04:57	jneira_	stack has been based partly in its good support for windows but i am not sure about that lately
2020-02-14 18:05:18	jneira_	stty issue, lts broken...
2020-02-14 18:05:35	jneira_	:+1:
2020-02-14 18:07:06	fendor	well, cabal still doesnt work out of the box without choco. So, it is still true! However, with choco and haskell-dev, I finally managed to turn my windows pc into a haskell work machine :)
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2020-02-15 17:09:24	dhess	Anyone have a working Emacs/lsp-mode integration with haskell-ide-engine?
2020-02-15 17:09:38	dhess	sorry, haskell-language-server
2020-02-15 17:09:49	dhess	I've been using it with haskell-ide-engine for a few months and that's working nicely.
2020-02-15 17:10:52	alanz	dhess, use the one from lsp-mode, just set the args to be all empty, and change the name to launch 'haskell-language-server-wrapper' instead of hie-wrapper
2020-02-15 17:10:58	alanz	that is how I test it atm
2020-02-15 17:11:08	dhess	oh, nice!
2020-02-15 17:12:17	dhess	ok now just to get haskell-language-server built with Nix
2020-02-15 17:12:26	alanz	or follow the instructions for ghcide. 
2020-02-15 17:12:45	alanz	dhess, nix is a different world. Follow the hie instructions, just change the exe name
2020-02-15 17:13:13	alanz	FYI, the intention is to make them "launch compatible", so the same config except for the exe name should work
2020-02-15 17:13:19	alanz	not there yet, because of params
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2020-02-15 17:14:21	dhess	ok cool. Currently I use all-hies to build hie. Maybe I'll start there and see how difficult it would be to just substitute a haskell-language-server derivation for the hie derivation
2020-02-15 17:15:31	alanz	dhess, a PR on that to support hls would be great. We use the same build system on hls (install.hs)
2020-02-15 17:15:42	alanz	so it should be quite easy to adapt
2020-02-15 17:17:44	dhess	all-hies, you mean?
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2020-02-15 17:20:25	alanz	yes
2020-02-15 17:20:59	alanz	I mean all-hies should be compatible with hls, as hie and hls are built the same way outside of nix
2020-02-15 17:21:57	dhess	right. Thanks for the help!
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2020-02-17 00:46:01	pikajude	ok, so my hie project keeps rebuilding itself
2020-02-17 00:46:04	pikajude	and i get the message ""/home/jude/lam/src/Schema.hs:1:1: fatal:\n    cannot find object file \8216/run/user/1001/ghc4093_0/ghc_89.dyn_o\8217\n    while linking an interpreted expression""
2020-02-17 00:46:07	pikajude	this is from vscode
2020-02-17 00:46:15	pikajude	i have no idea what it's doing
2020-02-17 00:46:20	pikajude	Schema.hs uses TH and quasiquotes if that's relevant
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2020-02-17 02:44:34	pikajude	might be a GHC mismatch since i'm using GHC from nix but HIE from all-hies
2020-02-17 02:44:38	pikajude	i'll try using stack instead
2020-02-17 03:29:04	pikajude	yeah, stack seems to have helped
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2020-02-17 21:13:44	drew1	hey all, I'm trying to use this feature but can't find it documented anywhere
2020-02-17 21:13:46	drew1	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/813
2020-02-17 21:13:54	drew1	i want to insert type signature
2020-02-17 21:27:15	fendor	drew1, what lsp-client are you using?
2020-02-17 21:27:41	fendor	in vscode, you can do ctrl+shift+p and then enter "insert type"
2020-02-17 21:27:48	fendor	execute the code-action and you can see it :)
2020-02-17 21:29:04	drew1	i'm not using vscode
2020-02-17 21:29:21	drew1	@fendor I'm using coc.nvim
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2020-02-17 21:29:53	fendor	then you have to find out how to execute code actions in coc.nvim
2020-02-17 21:31:22	drew1	I know how to do that, i dont know the hie binding
2020-02-17 21:31:26	drew1	it's not documented in the readme
2020-02-17 21:32:05	drew1	example: "CocAction('formatSelected')"
2020-02-17 21:34:15	fendor	the lsp-client can execute arbitrary codeactions that are exposed by the lsp-server. There should be some coc.nvim way to execute code-actions
2020-02-17 21:34:43	fendor	alternatively, you can turn on a warning -Wwarn-missing-signatures or something like that, then a code-action will be generated, too
2020-02-17 21:35:27	drew1	what is the action that is exposed by the lsp server for inserting type signature?
2020-02-17 21:35:35	drew1	that's what I'm saying isn't documented
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2020-02-17 21:35:44	drew1	> the lsp-client can execute arbitrary codeactions that are exposed by the lsp-server
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2020-02-17 21:51:51	fendor	sorry, I dont know it 
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2020-02-18 02:11:18	fendor	what is the PerItemConfig in brittany? 
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2020-02-18 02:20:37	fendor	with the ghc api, how is it envisioned to format only ranges?
2020-02-18 02:21:12	mpickering	Not sure the GHC API knows anything about formatting
2020-02-18 02:21:47	mpickering	Does the haskell-ide-engine vscode extension deal with workspaces correctly? I would guess not
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2020-02-18 02:22:32	alanz	fendor, take a look at the PR I just landed on hls
2020-02-18 02:23:11	alanz	mpickering, a workspace being an IDE-stitched-together project?
2020-02-18 02:23:30	alanz	a random collection of directories that have to somehow work together?
2020-02-18 02:23:32	mpickering	Where is the code for the vscode extension?
2020-02-18 02:23:37	mpickering	No it's a concept in vscode
2020-02-18 02:23:54	mpickering	Where you can define a "workspace" which is a collection of folders
2020-02-18 02:24:03	alanz	Yes, I have seen it, but not sure what it is. I think it is just being able to work with a set of directories in a group.
2020-02-18 02:24:08	mpickering	and the extension should deal correctly with this
2020-02-18 02:24:09	alanz	Yes, that is how I use it. 
2020-02-18 02:24:42	alanz	So e.g. in my filesystem I will have haskell-ide-engine and haskell-lsp checked out, and have both in the workspace. I guess.
2020-02-18 02:25:04	fendor	alanz, arent ormolu and floskell still parsing the modules themselves?
2020-02-18 02:25:09	mpickering	it looks like the extension spawns a separate process for each workspace
2020-02-18 02:25:12	alanz	mpickering, this is where the extension lives: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server
2020-02-18 02:25:17	alanz	yes
2020-02-18 02:25:49	alanz	mpickering, you define the concept of what defines a project root, then you get a process per root
2020-02-18 02:26:02	alanz	so it can be per cabal file, for example
2020-02-18 02:26:05	mpickering	this is just not implemented in ghcide
2020-02-18 02:26:55	alanz	mpickering, here is the relevant stuff in the erlang vscode plugin: https://github.com/erlang-ls/vscode/search?q=workspace&unscoped_q=workspace
2020-02-18 02:27:06	mpickering	the hie vscode plugin does it as well
2020-02-18 02:27:13	alanz	the workspace folders come through in the initial config
2020-02-18 02:28:09	alanz	See the tail end of https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specifications/specification-current/#initialize
2020-02-18 02:29:00	fendor	so, the formatters arent using the ghc api then, right?
2020-02-18 02:29:17	alanz	fendor, in which context? ormolu does
2020-02-18 02:29:21	alanz	floskell does not
2020-02-18 02:29:27	alanz	britanny should
2020-02-18 02:29:30	alanz	or can
2020-02-18 02:29:31	mpickering	alanz: I am talking about this usage of rootPath - https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/blob/master/extension/src/extension.ts#L34
2020-02-18 02:29:37	mpickering	Not anything to do with LSP
2020-02-18 02:30:21	mpickering	The HIE extension deals with this - https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/src/extension.ts#L61
2020-02-18 02:30:49	mpickering	https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/commit/572ba7ba1b6f4381619022eec0aad5f3e5439dd0
2020-02-18 02:31:14	alanz	mpickering, that is the root determination logic then. You can tell it the logic to determine the root, typically with a set of files that define a root
2020-02-18 02:32:18	fendor	alanz, isnt that still parsing the file contents? 
2020-02-18 02:32:26	fendor	ormolu in specific now
2020-02-18 02:32:47	alanz	for the partial one it is a string.
2020-02-18 02:33:01	alanz	but I have not looked for a while, been on other stuff
2020-02-18 02:33:03	alanz	hold on
2020-02-18 02:33:52	alanz	fendor, the ormolu one uses the ghcide parsed source
2020-02-18 02:35:05	alanz	nope, it uses it for the dynflags only
2020-02-18 02:35:08	fendor	alanz, how so? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/blob/master/src/Ide/Plugin/Ormolu.hs#L77 and `contents` comes from the `FormattingProvider` type
2020-02-18 02:35:09	alanz	needs to be optimised
2020-02-18 02:35:29	alanz	sorry, I just copied it over from hie. 
2020-02-18 02:35:51	alanz	we can/do have the parsed source, need to use the appropriate api call to pass it in
2020-02-18 02:35:55	fendor	ok. I was just thinking about the brittany stuff and remembered that I stumbled over the format selection
2020-02-18 02:35:58	alanz	"as an optimisation for the reader" 
2020-02-18 02:36:32	alanz	fendor, when we bring brittany in to hls, we are going to have to put a config flag enabling AGPL code, which is off by default
2020-02-18 02:36:53	alanz	or on by default. It must exist, is the main thing
2020-02-18 02:37:04	fendor	what should we do about the format selection? In regards to hie, it is rather pointless to use the pPrintModule if we cant use it all the time
2020-02-18 02:37:12	fendor	oh wait what? do we need that for hie as well?
2020-02-18 02:37:14	alanz	and if we get the plugin model right, it can almost be a separate repo
2020-02-18 02:37:43	alanz	the agpl flag? no, nobody has complained. Except with their feet, not using it :)
2020-02-18 02:38:27	fendor	ok, I see.
2020-02-18 02:38:42	fendor	Still, how could we handle format selection requests with the GHC api?
2020-02-18 02:39:43	alanz	how do you mean "format selection requests"?
2020-02-18 02:39:50	alanz	selection of the formatter?
2020-02-18 02:40:02	alanz	or format a fragment of source?
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2020-02-18 02:40:40	alanz	best might be to use the whole parsed source, then identify the nearest enclosing AST element
2020-02-18 02:40:51	alanz	and format that
2020-02-18 02:41:04	alanz	technically we should hand it off to the formatters
2020-02-18 02:41:28	fendor	yeah, format a fragment of source.
2020-02-18 02:41:42	fendor	ok, so, raise an issue at brittany? and ormolu and so on?
2020-02-18 02:43:36	alanz	I think so.
2020-02-18 02:43:58	alanz	and possibly make them a PR too, if you feel like it
2020-02-18 02:44:29	fendor	whenever I look at brittany source code, I get scared :D 
2020-02-18 02:44:49	alanz	well, leave it to hexagoxel then :)
2020-02-18 02:44:59	alanz	plenty to do on the hls front
2020-02-18 02:45:13	alanz	especially when we finally get the multi-component support
2020-02-18 02:45:40	jneira	at least brittany code is formatted :-P
2020-02-18 02:46:11	fendor	that is true, but it looks very complex :) or sophisticated, I cant tell
2020-02-18 02:46:22	fendor	yeah, there is so much to do on hls
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2020-02-18 02:46:48	fendor	I am thinking about refactoring the test-suites of hie a bit and then porting the changes to hls
2020-02-18 02:46:52	alanz	I am trying to get it to a point where the basics are in place and it is easier to contribute
2020-02-18 02:47:05	jneira	add the cabal-helper cradle should be after multicradle upport in ghcide? 
2020-02-18 02:47:06	alanz	that would be a good thing to do
2020-02-18 02:47:36	alanz	Once the plugin composability is sorted, and we have multi-module, then we are ready for getting it all over.
2020-02-18 02:47:46	alanz	And we can do a lot before multi module
2020-02-18 02:48:08	fendor	yeah, true.
2020-02-18 02:48:09	jneira	the cradle handling is in main so it is not deep into ghcide, it mkes easy to add cabal-helper cradle, i hope
2020-02-18 02:48:28	fendor	I think it should be very easy once multi-cradle support lands
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2020-02-18 02:49:44	alanz	and mpickering has said he will be or is focusing on that
2020-02-18 02:50:07	alanz	so hopefully we will have it some time. Main thing is that it is actually getting worked on
2020-02-18 02:51:05	alanz	I am currently putting together a testsuite with two example plugins, each with code actions, to see how to make it work inside ghcide, preferably via the Semigroup <>
2020-02-18 02:51:28	alanz	but having an explicit separate combine action would be fine too, in the "make it work" sense
2020-02-18 02:52:12	alanz	fendor, that formatter PR I rush-merged is more about getting some kind of progress in, than being a final polished thing.
2020-02-18 02:52:28	alanz	Trying to get the big pieces in place first, can polish in time
2020-02-18 02:55:00	fendor	I know and it makes sense but code sometimes stays for a long time before it gets removed. however, I know what I'll be doing when I am bored :)
2020-02-18 02:55:45	alanz	great
2020-02-18 02:56:04	alanz	in the initial phases I comment out everything that can't be made to work yet
2020-02-18 02:56:19	alanz	with an intention to bring it back as the other stuff comes into place
2020-02-18 02:56:34	alanz	at some point what we want is there, then we clean up the remaining debris
2020-02-18 02:57:54	mpickering	I don't actually have a lot of time at the moment
2020-02-18 02:58:45	alanz	mpickering, no problem, there is not an actual rush. More important that there is someone who has signed up to do it. So please dont feel (too) pressured from me
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2020-02-18 03:01:39	alanz	and if for any reason you can't do it, let me know, we will make another plan
2020-02-18 03:03:54	mpickering	I have perhaps 8 hours this week I estimated to work on it
2020-02-18 03:04:02	mpickering	which should be enough for something I think
2020-02-18 03:04:59	alanz	sounds good. Every bit helps. And given the context in your brain, your 8 hours is someone else's 40 hours
2020-02-18 03:07:16	mpickering	cocreature: Can you comment about what needs to be done on this branch?
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2020-02-18 04:52:12	alanz	its not a proper project until the catchall Types.hs comes into being.
2020-02-18 04:52:29	alanz	In other news, I just created Ide.Types modjule
2020-02-18 04:52:32	alanz	module
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2020-02-18 05:45:28	jneira	That one if you change it all package gets recompiled :-D
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2020-02-18 13:51:47	cocreature	mpickering: iirc it’s mainly about figuring out what to do with the -inplace stuff. It wasn’t really clear to me how I figure out the flags for the component corresponding to an -inplace flag if I don’t know the path to a module in that component using the current hie-bios API.
2020-02-18 13:52:04	mpickering	cocreature: I worked out an elegant way to do this
2020-02-18 13:52:20	mpickering	You don't load any `-package` arguments which contain `-inplace`
2020-02-18 13:52:50	mpickering	and then when you attempt to find the source for a module, if you can't find it locally or in the external package then you reinvoke hie-bios on the filepath you need to load
2020-02-18 13:52:53	mpickering	which will lazily load the new component
2020-02-18 13:54:24	cocreature	mpickering: but you only have a module name not a file path, right?
2020-02-18 13:56:27	mpickering	right I just thought of that
2020-02-18 13:56:42	mpickering	and that's a good point
2020-02-18 13:56:56	cocreature	an extreme case of this is if you have two components with the same module name.
2020-02-18 13:57:22	mpickering	yeah we should probably get something at least working for now
2020-02-18 13:57:24	mpickering	and then improve it
2020-02-18 13:57:31	mpickering	rather than making it perfect to begin with
2020-02-18 13:57:42	cocreature	I’d be fine with not supporting this outside of a package qualified import but it doesn’t solve the general problem of mapping from module name to file name
2020-02-18 13:58:34	mpickering	So your list of components idea could be ok
2020-02-18 14:05:09	cocreature	at least that’s the best I’ve come up with without making things significantly more complex
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2020-02-19 03:31:32	alanz	cocreature, I can now mappend hover info from multiple plugins
2020-02-19 03:31:51	alanz	and choose between multiple formatters
2020-02-19 03:32:00	alanz	time to dive in to code actions
2020-02-19 03:32:16	alanz	basically modelled on the hie server code
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2020-02-20 03:45:48	alanz	And there are now composable codeactions in hls
2020-02-20 03:45:56	alanz	time to clean a bit and push
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2020-02-20 04:06:36	jneira	great!
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2020-02-20 04:25:21	alanz	And it seems the existing diagnostics thing works, somehow
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2020-02-20 20:42:07	artem_	Hi
2020-02-20 20:42:17	artem_	I want to use stylish-haskell instread of brittany
2020-02-20 20:42:37	artem_	I guess, I can change that in settings.json, but where should I put this file?
2020-02-20 20:42:51	artem_	I'm using emacs with lsp-mode
2020-02-20 20:53:49	fendor	artem_, I dont think stylish haskell is currently supported
2020-02-20 20:54:07	fendor	supported are ormolu, brittany and floskell. Support for stylish haskell has not been merged, yet
2020-02-20 20:54:42	artem_	oh, okay
2020-02-20 20:54:44	artem_	thanks
2020-02-20 20:54:59	fendor	I think floskell is similar to stylish haskell? 
2020-02-20 20:57:20	artem_	I'll see
2020-02-20 20:58:01	artem_	anyway, how do I configure this?
2020-02-20 20:58:12	artem_	where should I put the settings.json file?
2020-02-20 20:58:18	artem_	the project root?
2020-02-20 20:59:20	artem_	floskell is a fork of hindent, so not quite similar to stylish-haskell
2020-02-20 20:59:46	artem_	I guess, I'll try to write a brittany config
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2020-02-22 02:38:21	alanz	jneira, great to see you paying attention to haskell-lsp
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2020-02-22 02:44:48	jneira	happy to help with my 2 cents :-D , i wanted to improve the Uri module since i introduced the perf issue in ghcide
2020-02-22 02:45:15	alanz	its the right place for it to be.
2020-02-22 02:45:30	alanz	I love to collaborative nature of OSS dev.
2020-02-22 02:49:11	jneira	i think it is needed admin rights to install azure in github and create the azure devops project
2020-02-22 02:50:07	jneira	did you tried it before in a project?
2020-02-22 02:51:43	alanz	I can't find a place to give you admin rights on it
2020-02-22 02:51:51	alanz	And I have not done it before, tbh
2020-02-22 02:52:32	alanz	Maybe I must create an organization for it
2020-02-22 02:53:26	alanz	Maybe we should create one. What would it be called. hie?
2020-02-22 02:54:10	jneira	it seems github user accounts can have only one admin
2020-02-22 02:55:13	jneira	but it is quite easy to setup azure: install the azure app in github: https://github.com/marketplace/azure-pipelines
2020-02-22 02:56:08	alanz	ok, will do it
2020-02-22 02:56:19	jneira	and then create a project in https://dev.azure.com
2020-02-22 02:57:28	jneira	you can login with github there and they have relatively nice wizards to create things
2020-02-22 02:57:41	alanz	ok, let me see what I can do
2020-02-22 02:58:21	jneira	i have to say that microsoft has improved a lot in the dev side since the 90's
2020-02-22 02:58:28	alanz	ok, azure enabled on all my personal repos, on the zero $ per month model
2020-02-22 02:58:39	alanz	yes, they are a new company now
2020-02-22 02:58:46	jneira	great
2020-02-22 02:59:36	jneira	(i feel really old when i write "the 90's" :-P)
2020-02-22 02:59:56	alanz	I remember them from the beginning. DOS
2020-02-22 03:00:04	jneira	wow :-O
2020-02-22 03:00:08	alanz	and how amazing windows 3.11 was
2020-02-22 03:01:25	alanz	Is the azure login the same as the microsoft marketplace I wonder.
2020-02-22 03:01:48	jneira	i started to play with computers in the mid/end of 80's: spectrum 48k/atari 520 st, you know
2020-02-22 03:01:53	alanz	It actually bothers me that things like the vscode plugin are against my name. Would rather have it against an org, like haskell
2020-02-22 03:02:10	alanz	I built my first one, a Nascom 1.
2020-02-22 03:02:32	alanz	then a zx81 (after a bunch of home-brew z80 based projects)
2020-02-22 03:02:57	alanz	and did some work on a commodore pet. To control a movie animation stand.
2020-02-22 03:03:00	jneira	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nascom_(computer_kit)... fascinating
2020-02-22 03:03:08	alanz	and apple ][
2020-02-22 03:03:21	alanz	it was a huge motherboard
2020-02-22 03:03:30	alanz	with discrete logic chips all over
2020-02-22 03:03:37	alanz	the old TTL stuff
2020-02-22 03:04:02	alanz	And the original version did not work, had to debug the motherboard first
2020-02-22 03:05:12	jneira	"debug the motherboard" -> :-D
2020-02-22 03:05:50	alanz	You selected a public repository, but this is not a public project. Go to project settings to change the visibility of the project. Learn more
2020-02-22 03:05:53	alanz	?
2020-02-22 03:06:16	alanz	Those were the days you did stuff with a soldering iron, oscilloscope
2020-02-22 03:07:18	jneira	yeah, you can choose create it public at beginning i think, i guess you can change it in project settings
2020-02-22 03:07:35	jneira	had to go now
2020-02-22 03:07:42	alanz	do you have a username on azure? I can add you as admin
2020-02-22 03:07:50	alanz	np, azure set up, I think
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2020-02-22 03:57:31	mpickering	Not a lot of multi-component success this evening
2020-02-22 03:57:32	mpickering	hmm
2020-02-22 03:57:53	mpickering	need to take a step back
2020-02-22 03:57:58	mpickering	and approach it logically
2020-02-22 04:03:28	alanz	well, if it was easy it would have been done already
2020-02-22 04:04:02	mpickering	I am just not combining together the flags in the right way
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2020-02-22 04:10:07	alanz	devils advocate: use the output of cabal-helper?
2020-02-22 04:10:17	mpickering	:) for what?
2020-02-22 04:10:25	alanz	to get the flags
2020-02-22 04:10:35	alanz	for each component
2020-02-22 04:10:37	mpickering	I have got all the flags
2020-02-22 04:10:41	mpickering	but they are not being combined correctly
2020-02-22 04:11:25	mpickering	things appear to be somewhat working now 
2020-02-22 04:12:41	mpickering	yes this is progress, ok time for bed
2020-02-22 04:12:58	alanz	good to hear. Chipping away. Good night
2020-02-22 04:13:54	mpickering	ah and the other error is because I need to reuse the same name cache I think
2020-02-22 04:14:20	mpickering	or force already compiled file to get recompiled if I switch out the HscEnv
2020-02-22 04:15:18	alanz	yes, the corner case is the same file used in two components, with different flags
2020-02-22 04:15:46	alanz	which means the products of compilation need to be in distinct places
2020-02-22 04:16:11	alanz	i.e. what happens in the dist-newstyle dir, I think
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2020-02-22 15:07:48	jneira	alanz: what is the url of the azure project: https://dev.azure.com/alanz/haskell-lsp ?
2020-02-22 15:08:22	jneira	i rebased master to get the azure config files and azure buils was not triggered
2020-02-22 15:08:37	jneira	the above url gives me a 401
2020-02-22 15:09:35	jneira	i had to go last night with my 6yo to bed :-)
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2020-02-22 15:23:37	mpickering	POC now working :)
2020-02-22 15:24:05	mpickering	Now time for the british night orienteering championships 🔦
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2020-02-22 15:38:43	alanz	mpickering, well done
2020-02-22 15:39:06	alanz	and it is now day time?
2020-02-22 15:41:39	mpickering	My start time is at 19:07 when it should hopefully be dark
2020-02-22 15:41:45	mpickering	but need to prepare now and get there!
2020-02-22 15:42:11	mpickering	I was thinking this is now my 2nd implementation of multi-component, perhaps I will also do a third in GHC itself
2020-02-22 15:43:19	alanz	it makes sense for the support to be fully in GHC
2020-02-22 15:43:51	alanz	the more of this stuff gets upstreamed, the less likely to break as GHC evolves
2020-02-22 15:44:49	alanz	jneira, I am trying to find that project. I think I now have two accounts on microsoft, one for the plugin, on for github actions. Trying to see how to access things
2020-02-22 15:47:54	mpickering	I just can't wait to use this on GHC, it's going to be game changing
2020-02-22 15:48:54	alanz	great, and I agree
2020-02-22 15:49:12	alanz	And I am really looking forward to using it
2020-02-22 15:50:23	alanz	jneira, I did not push the last button last night, to actually create the pipeline. I thought it would pick up the azure config file you had already made for the project, and I was worried the last step would over write it
2020-02-22 15:51:09	alanz	mpickering, how long will it take you to complete the route tonight? orienteering.
2020-02-22 15:53:05	mpickering	It's 12km so perhaps 1hr 15?
2020-02-22 15:53:14	mpickering	between 1hr 15 and 1hr 30 I imagine
2020-02-22 15:53:17	mpickering	the winner will be around 1hr
2020-02-22 15:56:02	alanz	ok. Just wanted to understand the ballpark of it, 1 hr vs 8hrs
2020-02-22 15:56:13	alanz	so it is a pretty fast pace I imagine.
2020-02-22 15:58:20	alanz	jneira, the build URL is https://alan-zimm.visualstudio.com/haskell-lsp/_build?definitionId=1&_a=summary
2020-02-22 15:58:34	alanz	mpickering, good luck
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2020-02-22 16:44:29	alanz	jneira, do you have scrollback?
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2020-02-22 17:45:37	jophish	Hi all
2020-02-22 17:46:03	jophish	I'm reasonably sure this isn't a problem with hie, however I'm not sure how to reproduce it outside hie
2020-02-22 17:46:33	jophish	On startup ghc complains that Dynamic linker not initialised
2020-02-22 17:46:55	jophish	specifically it looks as though libm is looking for a glibc version which it can't find
2020-02-22 17:48:49	jophish	https://gist.github.com/expipiplus1/116d682144e98ac3874982774285f7fd this is the log, not too much there
2020-02-22 17:50:48	jophish	fwiw cabal repl and cabal build both work without a problem
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2020-02-24 02:21:21	jneira	someone is running hie on macos? some users have problems installing it: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1664
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2020-02-24 03:06:08	alanz	jneira, I am a reluctant macos user, but have not installed hie on it (yet).
2020-02-24 03:06:22	alanz	as in, macos is a work machine
2020-02-24 03:19:26	jneira	well, ci is installing hie but using stack and macos-10.14, one of the users is using macos-10.15 and the other cabal
2020-02-24 03:32:15	alanz	I just commented, they are using ghcup to install ghc, and then stack. Could be a version/library mismatch
2020-02-24 03:32:25	alanz	How does ci install GHC?
2020-02-24 03:32:42	alanz	Is 10.15 catalina?
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2020-02-24 03:34:40	jneira	no, it is macos-10.14
2020-02-24 03:35:01	jneira	and it is using stack 
2020-02-24 03:35:43	jneira	we should add cabal i guess and install ghc using.. mm homebrew?
2020-02-24 03:38:44	alanz	the person on the issue tracker used ghcup
2020-02-24 03:38:58	alanz	which probably uses brew under the hood
2020-02-24 03:47:25	jneira	there are two users: the last one is using ghcup and cabal (no stack i think), the first one used only stack but on macos-10.15
2020-02-24 03:56:57	alanz	yes, I see that now. And I have no idea if 8.8.2 works on mac or not
2020-02-24 04:04:04	jneira	well, it does with stack in ci, right? i'll try to add one more job using cabal and installing ghc with homebrew to try to reproduce
2020-02-24 04:09:51	alanz	:+1:
2020-02-24 04:10:20	alanz	btw, I am travelling this week, so going to be pretty unresponsive
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2020-02-24 04:30:52	jneira	alanz: no worries and have a nice trip
2020-02-24 04:31:13	alanz	thanks
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2020-02-24 17:41:46	jophish	mpickering: Should I expect apply-refact to work with a file using -XTypeApplications (or any other syntax extension) with the extension specified in the cabal file and not in a language pragma?
2020-02-24 17:43:57	mpickering	If you use it on the command line then no
2020-02-24 17:44:06	mpickering	I am surprised it still works tbh
2020-02-24 17:44:10	jophish	ah, this is from HIE
2020-02-24 17:45:02	jophish	It actually works well on the command line (via hlint) with -Xblah
2020-02-24 17:58:59	jophish	 ah, it might be a little different. It seems to be if I export a pattern synonym from the module
2020-02-24 17:59:14	jophish	as in module Foo (pattern Bar) where
2020-02-24 18:01:45	jophish	This is the relevant part of the hie log: https://gist.github.com/6302ed9dc2d66ea64147bbf985870039
2020-02-24 18:02:42	jophish	For this file trying to apply the hint on (Text) https://gist.github.com/7a563837e93c4b130a6f5ffce63b711f
2020-02-24 18:03:03	jophish	uncommenting the exported pattern synonym makes it break with that error
2020-02-24 18:03:37	jophish	putting a pattern synonyms pragma at the top makes it work
2020-02-24 18:04:49	jophish	oh it's nothing to do with exporting it, it's just that 'pattern Bar = ()' parses without a problem without pattern synonyms :)
2020-02-24 18:13:39	jophish	snooping around a bit in apply-refact and ghc-exactprint it doesn't seem as though hie's language extensions are getting through
2020-02-24 18:13:47	jophish	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-exactprint-0.6.2/docs/src/Language.Haskell.GHC.ExactPrint.Parsers.html#initDynFlags
2020-02-24 18:14:15	jophish	This seems to be the only place where options are accumulated
2020-02-24 18:17:40	jneira_	mmm afaik hie does not pass cabal/stack default extensions to hlint: see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1374 f.e.
2020-02-24 18:18:52	jophish	I think I'll just patch my copy of ghc-exactprint to turn on all the syntax extensions..
2020-02-24 18:19:49	jneira_	But if hie could pass them to hlint programatically it would fix the issue, right? (only to be sure)
2020-02-24 18:26:17	jophish	yeah
2020-02-24 18:26:25	jophish	it does pass them to hlint
2020-02-24 18:26:29	jophish	just not to apply-refact
2020-02-24 18:28:19	jneira_	:+1:
2020-02-24 18:34:31	jophish	Specifically we want something like this: https://github.com/mpickering/apply-refact/blob/8144d41fd06f65cba6790283c8bdc0940dccf2dd/src/Refact/Run.hs#L192
2020-02-24 18:39:39	jneira_	mmm, it seems hie is using ApplyRefactor through hlint: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/ApplyRefact.hs#L6-L8
2020-02-24 18:39:58	jneira_	not sure though
2020-02-24 18:42:29	jneira_	it is importing `Refact.Apply` but i dont see any of its public exports used (looking in github web app)
2020-02-24 18:43:43	jophish	jneira_: It's calling applyRefactorings from apply-refact here: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/91422e95459130633905ab619772150860b2da2d/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/ApplyRefact.hs#L265
2020-02-24 18:46:14	jneira_	wow, i missed the evident one
2020-02-24 18:58:04	jophish	hmm, my patch for ghc-exactprint didn't seem to work..
2020-02-24 19:00:44	jophish	ah, it does, I must not have been using it
2020-02-24 19:01:12	jophish	ah, it doesn't I still had a language pragma in the file :/
2020-02-24 19:08:30	jophish	ah, I was patching initDynFlagsPure and not initDynFlags
2020-02-24 19:11:45	jophish	works :)
2020-02-24 19:13:22	jneira_	programming is lovely, isnt? :-D
2020-02-24 19:14:11	jneira_	not sure if change the call from `applyRefactorings` to one that takes in account ghc flags would be easy, though
2020-02-24 19:14:41	jneira_	hlint should take them in account in the first place, right?
2020-02-24 19:14:44	jophish	I don't see why it would be a pain, it's just passing a [String] down the stack (hie -> apply-refact -> ghc-exactprint)
2020-02-24 19:15:08	jophish	would require a little coordination to update all packages at the same time I suppose
2020-02-24 19:15:41	jophish	really though, we should pass the dynflags down
2020-02-24 19:15:57	jophish	I guess, I don't really know anything about how that work
2020-02-24 19:15:58	jophish	s
2020-02-24 19:17:30	jneira_	well it is passing explicitly TypeApplications here: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/ApplyRefact.hs#L145
2020-02-24 19:17:45	jophish	yeah, I thought that was a little funny
2020-02-24 19:18:11	jneira_	so ia m not sure that .cabal default extensions are being passed 
2020-02-24 19:18:29	jophish	it even sets --refactor-options when 'getting ideas'
2020-02-24 19:19:07	jophish	jneira_: I think that TypeApplications is a mistake
2020-02-24 19:19:20	jophish	but I think cabal flags are in 'argsSettings args'
2020-02-24 19:20:23	jneira_	mmm if i remember correctly `argsSettings`are from hlint
2020-02-24 19:20:52	jneira_	https://github.com/ndmitchell/hlint/blob/7a6ab7982437966fa7a13d91b05c68d243aa1abe/src/Language/Haskell/HLint4.hs#L79
2020-02-24 19:24:05	jneira_	so not sure if it has the cabal ones (it would take from a hlint.yaml file, i think)
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2020-02-24 19:32:12	jophish	ah, if it's calling the hlint binary, then I've wrapped that on my system to always have -Xwhatever turned on 
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2020-02-25 03:01:04	habbah	what is the target for install.hs? ./install build-all results in Error, file does not exist and no rule available: build-all
2020-02-25 03:01:31	habbah	i mean "./install.hs build-all"
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2020-02-25 03:21:23	habbah	https://gist.github.com/mcbahson/687629132c513fa55728b15dc853caea
2020-02-25 03:26:51	fenedor	habbah, build-all does no longer exist
2020-02-25 03:27:05	fenedor	try `help` to get an overview of command
2020-02-25 03:27:07	fenedor	commands
2020-02-25 03:28:10	habbah	thank you fenedor 
2020-02-25 03:28:28	fenedor	no problem :)
2020-02-25 03:28:32	habbah	is there an article that tell you the differences between the available targets?
2020-02-25 03:28:53	fenedor	an article? No, not really. You ask here though
2020-02-25 03:28:59	fenedor	if you have any questions in particular
2020-02-25 03:30:11	habbah	i don't know the difference between hie, data, dev, icu-macos-fix*
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2020-02-25 03:31:05	fenedor	habbah, unless you are on macos, icu-macos-fix is not important  to you
2020-02-25 03:31:30	fenedor	hie targets are the default targets, which you most likely want. It installs hie for the ghc version on your path.
2020-02-25 03:31:55	fenedor	IIRC, `data` is implicit with `hie`
2020-02-25 03:32:08	fenedor	had no idea that we have dev targets now
2020-02-25 03:33:06	habbah	is dev for development of haskell-ide-engine?
2020-02-25 03:33:21	habbah	building with the hie target seems to work!
2020-02-25 03:35:15	fenedor	Using `hie` will install hie for the ghc 8.8.2 version, or ghc 8.6.5 if you are on windows.
2020-02-25 03:35:33	fenedor	I misread that you were using stack to install hie.
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2020-02-25 03:36:29	habbah	do the taret hie versions correspond to ghc versions? i.e. does hie-8.4.2 = ghc v8.4.2?
2020-02-25 03:36:41	fendor	yeah, they to
2020-02-25 03:36:43	fendor	*they do
2020-02-25 03:37:19	fendor	one hie version can work at most with one version of ghc
2020-02-25 03:38:24	fendor	The "dev" version uses the local `stack.yaml` for installation, instead of one of the `stack-*.yaml` files
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2020-02-25 22:01:02	jophish	mpickering: I think I opened this in error: https://github.com/mpickering/apply-refact/issues/52
2020-02-25 22:01:29	jophish	if I'm reading apply-refact correctly the replacements are applied in the order they appear in the list from hlint
2020-02-25 22:01:38	jophish	and the last element in this list is incorrect
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2020-02-26 00:50:35	mpickering	cocreature: Is there a reason ghcide doesn't use OneShot mode?
2020-02-26 00:53:03	cocreature	mpickering: no fundamental reason. I tried to use it when I added incremental builds to `daml` but it made things slower in weird ways that I didn’t understand and it seemed to give you less control so I went back to it
2020-02-26 00:56:21	mpickering	I am running into errors with the multi-component stuff about duplicate type family instances
2020-02-26 00:58:17	mpickering	But I don't know which bit of state the instances are being inserted into twice
2020-02-26 00:58:19	mpickering	or why 
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2020-02-26 01:19:45	mpickering	I think I need to work with GHC HEAD so that I can actually modify functions in GHC to debug stuff
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2020-02-26 01:53:01	mpickering	Completed (42 files worked, 0 files failed)
2020-02-26 01:53:04	mpickering	🤔
2020-02-26 01:56:54	mpickering	Reusing the EPS seems like quite a bit of work
2020-02-26 01:57:00	mpickering	so we make a new one every time a new component is opened
2020-02-26 01:57:11	mpickering	but all components share the same EPS still
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2020-02-27 03:29:24	mpickering	ahah had a good idea, for once
2020-02-27 03:30:31	mpickering	hmm still doesn't work
2020-02-27 03:30:40	mpickering	not sure this approach to multi-component will every work
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2020-02-27 04:01:56	mpickering	cocreature: Can you tell me why I see error diagnostics on the CLI but also "Completed (42 files worked, 0 files failed)" 
2020-02-27 04:02:19	mpickering	Could there be some situation where an action reports a diagnostic but then it killed and restarted?
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2020-02-27 04:04:09	mpickering	What is happening is that some modules are type checked, then a new component is discovered and then they are all type checked again
2020-02-27 04:06:30	mpickering	potentially at the moment the HscEnv gets swapped out something goes wrong, but not sure how that's possible
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2020-02-27 11:12:18	cocreature	mpickering: not sure sadly, I don’t think I’ve ever seen that
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2020-02-27 12:46:10	mpickering	cocreature: do you think the situation sounds plausible at all? I will try single threaded and in an editor to see what happens in "normal" usage
2020-02-27 12:56:24	cocreature	mpickering: I don’t really understand how that could happen. it could happen that we get killed and restarted but then the second run should fail as well
2020-02-27 12:56:35	cocreature	so I don’t see how that could result in typechecking su
2020-02-27 12:56:38	cocreature	*succeeding
2020-02-27 12:56:50	mpickering	Ok
2020-02-27 12:57:02	mpickering	I am wondering if this is a good design anyway now
2020-02-27 12:57:15	cocreature	killing stuff?
2020-02-27 12:57:25	mpickering	Because if you load an executable component
2020-02-27 12:57:28	cocreature	or your multicomponent thing
2020-02-27 12:57:50	mpickering	Things like jump to definition won't work until you open a file from the library component
2020-02-27 12:58:37	mpickering	So perhaps this auto discovery behaviour is not good anyway
2020-02-27 12:59:02	mpickering	Yeah the multi component stuff
2020-02-27 12:59:32	cocreature	hm yeah that’s a fair point but I also think that would be acceptable at least for a first version
2020-02-27 13:00:32	mpickering	Well I am getting this strange error with the first version about an instance from an external package not existing
2020-02-27 13:01:08	mpickering	It's like the wrong HscEnv is being used 
2020-02-27 13:18:48	mpickering	indeed threads = 1 seems to work
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2020-02-27 14:47:12	mpickering	Hmm good news, I can reproduce it the editor
2020-02-27 14:47:18	mpickering	so sounds possible to fix
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2020-02-28 21:12:26	ninjapenguin54	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/P6vPZWXr
2020-02-28 21:12:54	ninjapenguin54	Hi guys, I'm an intermediate haskeller
2020-02-28 21:13:08	ninjapenguin54	I'm looking to start contributing to Haskell open source projects.
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2020-02-28 21:14:59	ninjapenguin54	I noticed that there's an ongoing merge of ghcide & hie. I feel a little lost. Does anyone have recommendations of where to start poking around and make small contributions?
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2020-02-28 21:35:46	jneira[m]	ninjapenguin54 nice! well, the initial work of the merge (in haskell-language-server) maybe is not well suited for newcomers
2020-02-28 21:36:39	jneira[m]	Or at least we have not identified newcomer friendly tasks yet
2020-02-28 21:38:45	jneira[m]	But maybe there are some in hie, involving the fix of a bug or updating docs
2020-02-28 21:40:41	jneira[m]	You can also check the hie/ghcide/hls shared upstream packages: hie-bios, haskell-lsp
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2020-02-28 23:56:51	ninjapenguin54	jneira, thanks for the info!
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2020-03-01 18:18:30	jsomedon	hi all
2020-03-01 18:18:48	jsomedon	when I try to build hie for 8.8.2 I get error like this:
2020-03-01 18:18:52	jsomedon	Warning: Failed to build documentation for haskell-lsp-0.20.0.0 (which is
2020-03-01 18:18:54	jsomedon	required by exe:hie from haskell-ide-engine-1.1 and exe:hie-wrapper from
2020-03-01 18:18:56	jsomedon	haskell-ide-engine-1.1).
2020-03-01 18:20:14	jsomedon	I was building with command `./cabal-hie-install hie-8.8.2`
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2020-03-02 16:34:35	fendor	will there be a monthly release for hie?
2020-03-02 16:43:44	jneira_	imo it would be good
2020-03-02 16:44:47	jneira_	but is needed some dependency bump?
2020-03-02 17:00:39	fendor	yeah, probably, at least haskell-src-exts, right?
2020-03-02 17:01:12	fendor	because of https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1649
2020-03-02 17:02:30	fendor	Btw, after a good two weeks pause, I am planning to work on project on dependency changes, mainly because I get really annoyed to always restart hie when I modify my *.cabal file 
2020-03-02 17:02:54	fendor	and I need it for a group project where I convinced my fellow students to use haskell for it :)
2020-03-02 17:03:03	jneira_	that would be really nice :-D
2020-03-02 17:03:54	jneira_	hie-bios has a dependency config option to tell the files that invalidates a cradle
2020-03-02 17:04:08	jneira_	(you know it much better than me)
2020-03-02 17:04:16	fendor	exactly. now we need a way to tell lsp to watch these files and then propagate these changes back to the ghc thread
2020-03-02 17:05:14	jneira_	reloading the cradle?
2020-03-02 17:06:02	jneira_	i really would fix the --test stack thingy, it is failing with and without hie.yaml
2020-03-02 17:06:03	fendor	I thought, the easiest way is to just invalidate the cache. We maintain a trie from filepath to cradle. Just remove every filepath that belongs to a specific cradle
2020-03-02 17:06:30	jneira_	aha, sounds feasible
2020-03-02 17:06:57	fendor	hardest thing will be to send a message from ghc thread to lsp. I still dont know how we normally do this
2020-03-02 17:07:25	fendor	yeah, but I have really no clue how to fix the `--test` thing.
2020-03-02 17:07:34	jneira_	IORef? :-P
2020-03-02 17:08:21	jneira_	ainns how tempting is global state...
2020-03-02 17:08:52	fendor	hehe. I am not tempted yet :) 
2020-03-02 17:09:42	jneira_	about stack --test, i think it would be doable in cabal-helper (dxld gave me some clues in the pr)
2020-03-02 17:10:45	jneira_	in raw hie-bios... maybe stack should be changed, i dont get why `stack repl x:test:y` dont imply the `--test`arg
2020-03-02 17:11:07	jneira_	same for `satck repl x:bench:y` and `--bench`
2020-03-02 17:12:05	jneira_	i mean, the default `--test` arg should be inverted for test targets and stack should choose `--test --no-run-tests`instead `--no-test`
2020-03-02 17:12:17	jneira_	(for test targets)
2020-03-02 17:13:36	jneira_	you always could pass an explicit `--no-tests` if you want to continue getting error about missing dependencies :-P
2020-03-02 17:13:53	fendor	yeah, no, I do not :)
2020-03-02 17:14:38	fendor	Does ghcide handle it correctly? Probably not
2020-03-02 17:14:40	jneira_	uff not sure if open an issue upstream =$ 
2020-03-02 17:16:00	jneira_	it is only reproduced after a first `stack build --test` if you delete the snapshot 
2020-03-02 17:16:55	jneira_	ghcide only is able to load one component, and you have to choose the test one explicitly
2020-03-02 17:17:15	jneira_	maybe in this case it is not reproduced? it should, yeah
2020-03-02 17:19:46	fendor	I can not imagine that it works in ghcide. But maybe they do have a work-around?
2020-03-02 17:30:07	jneira_	well you "only" have to run a `stack build --test --no-run-test` if the component has ":test:" :-P
2020-03-02 17:31:09	jneira_	it would be a really dirty hack but i could be added to hie-bios
2020-03-02 17:32:48	jneira_	and hablde the possible error: one thing is the user want to work with the test component and another the component actually is built without errors
2020-03-02 17:33:08	jneira_	*handle
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2020-03-03 01:35:11	fendor	alanz, when you have time, I would have some questions regarding gsoc 2020
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2020-03-03 01:44:26	jneira	https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60495568/is-my-experience-with-setting-up-haskell-dev-environment-for-the-first-time-comm
2020-03-03 01:44:39	jneira	problems wit hie :-/
2020-03-03 01:45:19	fendor	there are still quite a lot. We are not as friendly to new people as we could be, yet :(
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2020-03-03 02:30:03	alanz	oops, just remembered there should be a monthly release. Will get onto it
2020-03-03 02:32:55	fendor	nice, thank you! 
2020-03-03 02:33:24	jneira	i have answered the best i could
2020-03-03 02:58:46	alanz	are we doing anything with 8.8.3?
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2020-03-03 03:00:47	jneira	i created the issue and i've done some changes to use it in azure, but lot of failing unit tests
2020-03-03 03:01:20	jneira	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1670
2020-03-03 03:01:39	alanz	ok, so ignore it for the monthly update
2020-03-03 03:01:52	alanz	Doing the "bump-resolvers" thing atm
2020-03-03 03:02:56	jneira	we should update the lower bound of haskell-src-ext, i think
2020-03-03 03:04:05	jneira	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1649#issuecomment-591808709
2020-03-03 03:04:20	alanz	ok, will do
2020-03-03 03:05:22	alanz	[__6] rejecting: haskell-src-exts-1.23.0, haskell-src-exts-1.22.0 (conflict:
2020-03-03 03:05:22	alanz	hsimport => haskell-src-exts>=1.18.0 && <1.22)
2020-03-03 03:05:47	alanz	jneira, ^^
2020-03-03 03:06:16	jneira	ops
2020-03-03 03:07:00	alanz	planning on updating hlint to .11 will that make a difference?
2020-03-03 03:08:14	jneira	not sure, maybe we should create an specific pr for haskell-src-ext after the bump
2020-03-03 03:08:28	jneira	if the hlint upgrade does nto resolve it
2020-03-03 03:09:04	alanz	ok, just bumping hlint, then we can see what happens
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2020-03-03 03:22:01	jneira	hsimport master allows haskell-src-ext < 1.23
2020-03-03 03:23:28	jneira	maybe it is too hasty switch to hsimport master now
2020-03-03 03:23:45	alanz	not for a monthly release
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2020-03-03 04:51:35	jneira	alanz: i had to use floskell master too: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/compare/master...jneira:hask-src-exts-1.22?expand=1
2020-03-03 04:52:17	alanz	ok. Any idea why cabal is complaining about askUnliftIO? https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/4858
2020-03-03 04:52:46	alanz	I presume you made a PR on floskell?
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2020-03-03 04:55:28	jneira	no, i've added the actual floskell master as source-repository-package in cabal.project
2020-03-03 04:55:57	alanz	ok. This source-repo stuff is a bit of a pain.
2020-03-03 04:56:04	jneira	yeah
2020-03-03 04:56:12	alanz	As much of a pain as submodules :(
2020-03-03 04:56:16	jneira	maybe we should wait, make prs upstream etc
2020-03-03 04:56:38	alanz	it affects the windows support, via GHC 8.8.3?
2020-03-03 04:56:45	alanz	which is pretty important
2020-03-03 04:57:40	alanz	I definitely think upstream PRs (or at least issues) should happen
2020-03-03 04:57:56	alanz	An maybe wait a reasonable/short time, then reconsider.
2020-03-03 04:58:19	alanz	But I will go with your judgement on this.  Just suggest we do it after the monthly release
2020-03-03 04:59:32	jneira	ok, i'll open an issue tomorrow dedicated to haskell-src-exts, time to go to bed, now
2020-03-03 04:59:39	alanz	yes, me too
2020-03-03 04:59:43	alanz	thanks
2020-03-03 04:59:44	jneira	good night!
2020-03-03 05:00:07	alanz	you too
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2020-03-03 15:39:55	jneira_	fendor: hi! which package did you change to set `< 1.24`?
2020-03-03 15:40:13	jneira_	hsimport is 0.11 in hackage...
2020-03-03 15:40:30	jneira_	did you wanted to mean haskell-src-exts?
2020-03-03 15:43:16	fendor	jneira_, yeah, sorry, I meant overriding the version bounds from hsimport on haskell-src-exts
2020-03-03 15:45:07	jneira_	oh yeah, but stack.yaml's would need a global `allow-newer: tru, righ?e`
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2020-03-03 15:45:31	jneira_	`allow-newer: true` , right?
2020-03-03 15:46:03	fendor	jneira_, oh, I didnt know that. I thought you can override individual dependencies
2020-03-03 15:46:21	jneira_	i am afraid no, cabal is better here
2020-03-03 15:47:15	fendor	oh well. then it doesnt work
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2020-03-03 15:51:15	jneira_	well dant-t seems to be very responsive, maybe we could wait 
2020-03-03 15:52:08	jneira_	a hackage revision would work here
2020-03-03 15:54:50	fendor_	I agree, Dan-t is very friendly and responsive 
2020-03-03 15:55:27	jneira_	i am tempted to use dhall to remove the stack-*.yaml boilerplate 
2020-03-03 15:56:05	jneira_	what do you think? 
2020-03-03 15:57:05	jneira_	well no remove but automatize their generation
2020-03-03 15:57:06	fendor_	Is there dhall integration for stack, yet? I would prefer that stack build works out of the box
2020-03-03 15:57:19	jneira_	using dhall-to-yaml
2020-03-03 15:57:46	jneira_	stack-*.yaml files would not be removed but auto generated
2020-03-03 15:58:38	jneira_	there is no integration between stack and dhall
2020-03-03 16:00:34	fendor_	Oh so, commit both, a dhall and yaml file? 
2020-03-03 16:01:46	jneira_	yeah
2020-03-03 16:02:15	jneira_	with a big comment upfront: "this is auto generated by blabla" ;-)
2020-03-03 16:06:00	fendor_	Hm, does it reduce the overall complexity? And how would adding a dependency work? 
2020-03-03 16:06:18	fendor_	I think I like the idea, we can at least experiment with it 
2020-03-03 16:06:59	jneira_	add the desired default version in the common one, override in the version specific if needed
2020-03-03 16:07:42	jneira_	or remove it if it is included in the lts/nightly
2020-03-03 16:08:28	fendor_	OK. Yeah, sounds reasonable to me, I think we could give it a try! 
2020-03-03 16:08:47	fendor_	And see what others think about it :) 
2020-03-03 16:09:20	jneira_	no a big priority though, it is for our convenience :-)
2020-03-03 16:09:45	jneira_	but i could be reusable, lot of projects has a similar stack.yaml layout
2020-03-03 16:19:19	fendor_	 dunno. Until there is support by stack or cabal, I can not imagine that it will be used extensively 
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2020-03-03 18:35:27	fendor	are we supporting dynamic registration of DidChangeWatchedFilesRegistrationOptions?
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2020-03-03 23:41:25	alanz	fendor, jneira any idea why The cabal build fails for https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/haskell-ide-engine/4858?
2020-03-03 23:41:51	alanz	The unliftIO lib is the same version, but get an error about the inline not being able to match up
2020-03-03 23:42:12	alanz	Haskell/Ide/Engine/PluginsIdeMonads.hs:601:5: error:
2020-03-03 23:42:13	alanz	    ‘askUnliftIO’ is not a (visible) method of class ‘MonadUnliftIO’
2020-03-03 23:42:13	alanz	    |
2020-03-03 23:42:13	alanz	601 |     askUnliftIO = GhcT $ \s ->
2020-03-03 23:42:13	alanz	    |     ^^^^^^^^^^^
2020-03-03 23:49:42	fendor	nope, sorry. no idea
2020-03-03 23:53:28	alanz	ok, trying to bisect it, based on hackage index date
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2020-03-04 00:23:05	alanz	it looks like this is the problem: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/unliftio-core-0.2.0.1
2020-03-04 00:24:08	alanz	and in particular, https://github.com/fpco/unliftio/commit/d327ae40853635363c3eae8196bb1ee9e88b5c57
2020-03-04 00:25:33	alanz	And it is already inlined there. Will lock it to a prior version, then we can deal with it later
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2020-03-04 01:01:07	lukelau	fendor: hi, just reviewed your PR there
2020-03-04 01:01:38	lukelau	alanz jneira fendor I’ve been AWOL for the past couple of months, college has been kicking my ass
2020-03-04 01:02:01	lukelau	i’m probably not going to have much time either until i get my dissertation handed in around april
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2020-03-04 01:29:35	fendor	lukelau, thank you! Dont worry about not having much time, gotta be like that some times :)
2020-03-04 01:29:52	jneira	dont worry and good luck with the disertation!
2020-03-04 01:30:40	lukelau	thanks, I’ll need it
2020-03-04 01:30:50	lukelau	fendor: are you applying for GSOC this year?
2020-03-04 01:31:19	fendor	lukelau, yeah
2020-03-04 01:32:00	lukelau	Cool, what project? I’m thinking of applying myself but need to check my eligibility + what needs to be done around here
2020-03-04 01:32:08	fendor	Wish you best of luck for your dissertation, too!
2020-03-04 01:32:37	fendor	Not sure yet, but probably related to hls. I just plan on doing something on hls and the like
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2020-03-04 01:33:53	lukelau	There’s plenty of work to be done there for sure. Do you think it would be reasonable to have 2 students on it this summer?
2020-03-04 01:34:10	alanz	lukelau, there is lots to be done around getting hls into shape
2020-03-04 01:34:17	lukelau	Also given the fact that its a whole ecosystem, haskell-lsp/hie-bios/ghcide
2020-03-04 01:34:23	alanz	exactly
2020-03-04 01:35:15	fendor_	Yeah, there is definitely enough to do for multiple people :) 
2020-03-04 01:36:26	alanz	And I am pretty sure the decision-makers know that too, so we probably have a good shot at it. Depending on number of slots, of course
2020-03-04 01:36:37	lukelau	Ok, just wanted to check in and see what people were at. You’re doing a masters degree at the moment as well fendor_?
2020-03-04 01:37:14	lukelau	I’m hoping that I’m still considered a student. I graduate in december but my studies finish around April
2020-03-04 01:37:15	alanz	there is also the tweag.io open source internship 
2020-03-04 01:37:38	alanz	lukelau, I am sure that will be fine, if you can still show an active registration
2020-03-04 01:38:00	alanz	when do you start a proper job though?
2020-03-04 01:38:18	lukelau	alanz: i saw, i hope its not a one off thing, it will be good to get more funded contributors
2020-03-04 01:38:29	alanz	and how many gsocs have you done? Limit is 2, I think
2020-03-04 01:38:44	alanz	I recall lsp-test only?
2020-03-04 01:39:04	lukelau	no jobs in the foreseeable future. I just finished 5 years of college so want to take some time off and work on something fun for a little while anyway ;)
2020-03-04 01:39:16	lukelau	job jobs anyway
2020-03-04 01:39:24	alanz	makes sense
2020-03-04 01:39:25	lukelau	and yeah this will be my second time if i apply
2020-03-04 01:39:40	alanz	ok, sounds like it should be a clear path then
2020-03-04 01:39:44	lukelau	hows stuff moving on the hls front?
2020-03-04 01:40:09	alanz	I am only just back to it now myself, been off traveling for a week
2020-03-04 01:40:18	alanz	work stuff
2020-03-04 01:40:56	fendor_	Yeah, I am studying Cs at tu Vienna and doing my masters 
2020-03-04 01:42:33	lukelau	fendor_: hows the dissertation going? if you’ve started it yet (my university has deadlines quite early)
2020-03-04 01:44:17	fendor_	I haven't started yet, looking for a professor who I can bully into allowing me a haskell related dissertation :) 
2020-03-04 01:44:52	alanz	fendor_, how much longer do you have? is it a two year thing?
2020-03-04 01:49:05	fendor_	Depending on how motivated I stay, I could finish within this summer, but with gsoc, I will append another semester. Yeah, it *should* be 2 years 
2020-03-04 01:49:53	alanz	and you are ending year one, I presume
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2020-03-04 01:55:12	fendor_	Not really. We have a lot of freedom, I actually did a lot of master courses while writing my bachelor thesis. So, technically, this summer is my fourth semester in the masters
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2020-03-04 02:02:16	alanz	fendor_, sounds like a nice way to arrange things
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2020-03-04 02:05:52	fendor_	Yeah, definitely. Allowed me to still study during my civil service 
2020-03-04 02:19:18	alanz	civil service?
2020-03-04 02:30:35	fendor	in austria, we have to either spend 6 months in the military, doing drills followed by guard jobs and help in case of disasters, e.g. floods and extreme winters, or 9 months as a helper in our medical system. I worked in rehabilitation center and carried out the post and make the bed for patients
2020-03-04 02:31:57	alanz	sounds like a good system.
2020-03-04 02:32:28	alanz	I believe Uruguay does something similar
2020-03-04 02:34:01	fendor	meh. I wasnt that eager to interrupt my studies for making beds. Moreover, since we *have* to do this, many men arent really motivated and do a terrible job. then your work-colleagues hate you, because they assume you are unmotivated as well.
2020-03-04 02:35:42	fendor	men and women are starting to become a volunteer for a so-called "social year", where they are basically doing civil service. However, usually their treatment is better
2020-03-04 02:37:30	fendor	and they are not always doing the jobs that no one wants to do, e.g. carrying out the post
2020-03-04 02:42:43	alanz	ok
2020-03-04 02:44:42	fendor	jneira, I updated hsimport dependencies
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2020-03-04 02:46:07	alanz	I just registered as a GSOC mentor, thanks to jasper vdj
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2020-03-04 02:55:53	jneira	fendor: nice, up to 1.23!
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2020-03-04 14:06:25	wz1000	i would also be available to mentor for gsoc, since I can't participate this time
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2020-03-04 17:32:26	mpickering	cocreature: Do you have some intuition why `define` has type `(k -> NFP -> Action)` rather than `k -> (NFP -> Action)`? 
2020-03-04 17:32:34	mpickering	`k` always seems to be a singleton 
2020-03-04 17:34:02	mpickering	What happens if you define two rules with the same `k`?
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2020-03-04 18:29:38	cocreature	mpickering: I don’t think I’m following? `k -> NFP -> Action` and `k -> (NFP -> Action)` are equivalent?
2020-03-04 18:29:54	mpickering	They are not but the second is more natural to me
2020-03-04 18:31:59	cocreature	you mean because of the optimizer? at least to the typechecker they are equivalent or I’m very tired atm
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2020-03-04 19:21:50	mpickering	cocreature: I mean they are different because your define has type `define :: (k -> NFP -> Action) -> ...`
2020-03-04 19:22:04	mpickering	which means in the definition of `define` you can't inspect what `k` is
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2020-03-04 23:18:39	alanz	wz1000, that would be great
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2020-03-04 23:22:29	alanz	hmm, needed to blow away ~/.cache/cabal-helper and ~/.cache/hie-bios after the resolver bump. Not sure which one mattered, was getting a missing ghc object file in /tmp
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2020-03-05 00:17:52	fendor	Can I see somewhere in vscode if the lsp message I sent was received and if there was any error?
2020-03-05 00:18:06	fendor	I wanna see the client logs
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2020-03-05 00:48:18	alanz	fendor, in the tab at the bottom, choose output, then select from the dropdown in the top right of that lower panel
2020-03-05 00:49:09	alanz	And you can get the tab to show up by clicking on the error counters, the circle and triangle with numbers next to them on the bottom bar
2020-03-05 00:50:32	fendor	alanz, thank you! I am trying to debug why the system file watcher does not report that the watched file has changed.
2020-03-05 00:50:48	alanz	ok
2020-03-05 00:51:28	fendor	does that make sense? How do I know if the register capability request is correct?
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2020-03-05 00:54:13	alanz	Look at the log, it should show up in the first message sent, and its reply
2020-03-05 00:55:11	alanz	i.e. at the very top
2020-03-05 00:55:53	fendor	I am sending a dynamic registration. Maybe I am misreading the spec. I thought I have to dynamically register file system watchers
2020-03-05 00:56:01	fendor	and I dont think I get a response
2020-03-05 00:56:08	alanz	I don't know, to be honest
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2020-03-05 00:56:59	fendor	it is also a bit weird, that there are multiple "id":0, right? 
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2020-03-05 00:58:42	alanz	there are separate counters from the client-> server and server->client
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2020-03-05 01:00:06	fendor	ah, ok, makes sense. Would be a race otherwise
2020-03-05 01:42:52	alanz	1.2 release PR, please check: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1681
2020-03-05 01:46:24	alanz	fendor, congratulations, I see hsimport is now yours
2020-03-05 01:47:52	fendor	alanz, thank you, now I can practice being a maintainer :) I will change it use to use ghc-lib and get it on stackage
2020-03-05 01:48:10	alanz	sounds great
2020-03-05 01:48:22	alanz	your portfolio has to start somewhere
2020-03-05 01:49:03	jneira	yeah, it is great
2020-03-05 01:49:15	fendor	exactly :)
2020-03-05 01:49:20	fendor	I am very excited
2020-03-05 01:50:12	jneira	i've got the askUnliftIO error when trying to use haskell-src-ext-1.22
2020-03-05 01:50:19	alanz	its a nice package too, and you have a clear path forward
2020-03-05 01:50:43	alanz	jneira, I made an issue for it, basically it it no longer a class method
2020-03-05 01:51:01	alanz	follow the link in the issue I opened yesterday
2020-03-05 01:51:16	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1680
2020-03-05 01:51:30	fendor	yeah, it has a nice scope and so far, I fully understand it, unlike hie-bios, with which I struggle 
2020-03-05 01:51:35	alanz	It should be trivial to fix, but we will have to put a lower bound on it
2020-03-05 01:51:46	alanz	it == unliftio-core
2020-03-05 01:52:04	mpickering	So no one will be interested in my next complicated project then..
2020-03-05 01:52:19	mpickering	expand your mind fendor!
2020-03-05 01:52:40	fendor	mpickering, I am trying :( I just say, I struggle :P What is your next complicated project?
2020-03-05 01:52:44	alanz	mpickering, hopefully once we have hie-bios and friends in place it will be solved for everyone, and we can all go back to what we actually wanted to do
2020-03-05 01:52:54	mpickering	Rewriting ghcide using reflex
2020-03-05 01:53:06	fendor	ah, I've seen the repo
2020-03-05 01:53:32	mpickering	I have a prototype working now so trying to align it as much as possible with shake and then fork ghcide properly to see how it works at scale
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2020-03-05 01:53:56	fendor	but since you are here, a quick look at https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/157 what do you think is the best course of action?
2020-03-05 01:54:00	alanz	mpickering, are you doing anything to/for http://pldi20.sigplan.org/home/bapl-2020
2020-03-05 01:54:05	alanz	it might fit
2020-03-05 01:54:06	mpickering	maybe...
2020-03-05 01:56:07	mpickering	fendor: What do you think?
2020-03-05 01:56:47	alanz	cant you use the existing ghc option parser?
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2020-03-05 01:56:54	alanz	in hie-bios
2020-03-05 01:57:01	fendor	I like that we can just look at the import flags and see what is going to be loaded.
2020-03-05 01:58:13	fendor	We would lose that if we fix the paths in a later stage. However, we already to something similar with ghci-scripts
2020-03-05 01:58:47	mpickering	Isn't it too late to fix the paths in initSession?
2020-03-05 01:59:02	mpickering	unless we record what all the paths are relative to in the cradle
2020-03-05 02:00:04	fendor	Oh, does the ghc api already load these paths in `initSession`?
2020-03-05 02:00:16	mpickering	well you might not call initSession until a lot later?
2020-03-05 02:00:24	mpickering	and is there enough information stored to fix the paths then?
2020-03-05 02:00:39	fendor	no, initSession itself does currently no have enough information
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2020-03-05 02:01:05	fendor	I think we would need the cradle that created the `ComponentOptions` in initSession
2020-03-05 02:01:28	fendor	since we need the cradle root dir to which these import dirs are relative
2020-03-05 02:01:40	mpickering	The point is that the import dirs are not actually relative to the root dir
2020-03-05 02:01:55	mpickering	they are relative to the root dir plus an additional folder
2020-03-05 02:03:11	fendor	arent they relative to the root dir specified in the cradle? 
2020-03-05 02:03:32	mpickering	nope
2020-03-05 02:03:38	mpickering	that's why there is this logic
2020-03-05 02:06:50	fendor	uhm. Maybe there is a bug then? fixImportDirs uses the wdir from `cabalAction` (eventually) which is obtained from (takeDirectory `root/hie.yaml`)
2020-03-05 02:07:39	fendor	no wait
2020-03-05 02:07:42	fendor	I think I see my problem
2020-03-05 02:07:53	fendor	the dir is obtained from ghci
2020-03-05 02:08:02	fendor	or rather, the wrapper tool
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2020-03-05 02:09:26	mpickering	exactly
2020-03-05 02:09:28	fendor	Ok, now I got it. `cabal repl component -w cabal-wrapper` changes the directory.
2020-03-05 02:10:14	fendor	ok, so, later we have no clue what this directory was
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2020-03-05 02:15:24	fendor	can we use the ghc-option parser somehow? Or would that be too expensive?
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2020-03-05 02:25:41	mpickering	Either there is a hacky solution in the cabal cradle
2020-03-05 02:25:44	mpickering	like the one he implemented
2020-03-05 02:25:52	mpickering	or the correct information is threaded through to fix it in initSession
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2020-03-05 03:56:11	alanz	interesting concept: https://github.com/microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues/939
2020-03-05 03:56:15	alanz	lukelau, ^^^
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2020-03-05 04:09:28	alanz	so, I am creeping up to a plugin solution for hls that is compatible with the hie approach, making it more modular by functional area
2020-03-05 04:10:05	alanz	The main bit is here: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/45#pullrequestreview-369176135
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2020-03-05 04:49:17	alanz	jneira, are the windows tests going to pass for 1.2? do they need to?
2020-03-05 04:49:28	alanz	can they?
2020-03-05 04:50:48	jneira	let me check
2020-03-05 04:51:52	alanz	thanks
2020-03-05 04:52:09	jneira	it is a transient one i think, i've trigger a rerun 
2020-03-05 04:52:19	jneira	triggered
2020-03-05 04:52:48	alanz	ok, I triggered a rerun earlier too. 8.4.4, with a "bash 1" or some simple error result
2020-03-05 04:53:16	jneira	oh, the actual error was about deleting a file
2020-03-05 04:53:25	alanz	ok
2020-03-05 04:53:40	alanz	down to 2 missing tests, holding thumbs
2020-03-05 04:53:53	alanz	test scenarios, checks, whatever
2020-03-05 04:54:12	alanz	I reckon hie azure tests adds a 1 degree global warming kick
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2020-03-05 04:58:36	alanz	mpickering, that "-i" hie-bios problem affects current hie-bios and ghcide? I am getting a stupid failure on trying to run ghcide (master) it wont find base-4.12.0.0?
2020-03-05 04:59:03	alanz	ditto for trying to run haskell-language-server from my dev branch
2020-03-05 04:59:12	alanz	hie still works for it though :)
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2020-03-05 13:08:58	wz1000	alanz: how do i become a mentor? Write to jasper?
2020-03-05 13:09:36	mpickering	alanz:  it only fails if you are using backpack afaik
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2020-03-05 13:39:05	alanz	wz1000: that is what I did.
2020-03-05 13:39:28	alanz	mpickering: I am not using backpack, a trivial project. Will have to investigate
2020-03-05 13:39:50	mpickering	Seems like you have not compiled ghcide with the right ghc version
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2020-03-05 17:17:38	jneira_	alanz: we could include https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1679 in the release, should i merge it?
2020-03-05 17:18:01	jneira_	and then update https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1681
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2020-03-05 17:34:37	jneira_	fendor: hi! what do you think about including https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1679 in the new release?
2020-03-05 17:34:59	jneira_	merging and updating https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1681
2020-03-05 17:35:28	fendor	jneira_, I am not sure it is necessary. Unless you want it to be in the release, I think it is fine if it merges after the release.
2020-03-05 17:35:37	fendor	Gives us the time to fix the unliftio stuff imediately
2020-03-05 17:35:40	fendor	*immediately
2020-03-05 17:36:04	jneira_	ah, my pr is green with `unlifiio-core < 2.0`
2020-03-05 17:36:25	jneira_	but you talk about a proper fix in the code
2020-03-05 17:38:29	fendor	yeah. But if you want to, I am fine, too.
2020-03-05 17:41:19	fendor	So, just no strong opinions
2020-03-05 17:47:36	fendor	but if you merge, please open a ticket to fix it
2020-03-05 17:47:42	fendor	I meant issue
2020-03-05 17:59:08	jneira_	it exists: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1680
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2020-03-05 21:28:48	shafox	I have installed hie via cloning github repo for 8.6.5 and 8.8.2, created one project with stack lts-14.27. now i have done stack setup and stack build. however in shell it starts and doesnt exit, but in emacs with lsp-mode, it starts and then exits and asks to restart again and again. never fully running in background. 
2020-03-05 21:31:42	shafox	This is the log messages https://gist.github.com/shadow-fox/e10fb94cd5f1ab270e52e1bb7a3bd828 
2020-03-05 21:33:26	shafox	Updated the gist with more logs.
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2020-03-05 21:39:55	shafox	This is my emacs config. https://github.com/shadow-fox/hestia (default develop branch)
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2020-03-05 21:51:41	shafox	This issue describes the same exact problem I am facing. https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell/issues/47 
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2020-03-05 22:09:03	fendor	shafox, you have to pass in the --lsp option to run hie in lsp mode
2020-03-05 22:10:16	shafox	fendor, where exactly ?
2020-03-05 22:10:23	fendor	`hie-wrapper --lsp`
2020-03-05 22:12:51	fendor	shafox, in your emacs config
2020-03-05 22:18:04	shafox	fendor, it is already adding that. https://gist.github.com/shadow-fox/e10fb94cd5f1ab270e52e1bb7a3bd828#file-lsp-log-L2 
2020-03-05 22:18:30	fendor	shafox, do you have logs from the language server?
2020-03-05 22:18:59	fendor	should be in tmp/log
2020-03-05 22:19:13	fendor	pardon: /tmp/hie.log
2020-03-05 22:24:35	shafox	fendor, https://gist.github.com/shadow-fox/10337cd5d5850de27727c5e94198562a
2020-03-05 22:26:28	fendor	shafox, very weird. What happens if you execute `hie-8.6.5 --debug` in the root of your project?
2020-03-05 22:30:05	shafox	fendor, this is the output. https://gist.github.com/shadow-fox/39ee7f20c75f5e4de9d0a2171fb38ab8 
2020-03-05 22:31:44	shafox	fendor, it is not able to find the hie in /tmp/hie.log However I have added the exec-apth here https://github.com/shadow-fox/hestia/blob/develop/config/init-editor.el#L4 
2020-03-05 22:32:11	fendor	ok, weird. So, hie-wrapper cant find hie on the path?
2020-03-05 22:33:14	shafox	yes seems so from this: https://gist.github.com/shadow-fox/10337cd5d5850de27727c5e94198562a
2020-03-05 22:38:01	shafox	hie debug shows it Fail on cradle initialisation: (ExitFailure 2)["Could not obtain flags for: \"test/Spec.hs\"." , 
2020-03-05 22:38:11	shafox	This is a fresh new stack project. 
2020-03-05 22:43:20	fendor	shafox, the fail on "test/Spec.hs" is to be expected, there are some issues for it
2020-03-05 22:43:50	shafox	I am installing for latest lts. will create a project and then check again. 
2020-03-05 22:45:26	fendor	Lib loads successfully, so, hie works fine
2020-03-05 22:47:49	shafox	ok 
2020-03-05 22:48:52	fendor	what happens if you do `hie-wrapper --debug`?
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2020-03-05 22:55:38	shafox	fendor, almost the same https://gist.github.com/shadow-fox/bbd8c31b4f9e8ed23c394f17274a7fa2 
2020-03-05 22:56:07	fendor	shafox, that looks like it is working and something else in your setup is weird, maybe?
2020-03-05 22:56:45	shafox	fendor, ok
2020-03-05 22:57:08	fendor	otherwise, I have no idea what is wrong
2020-03-05 23:20:21	alanz	jneira, fendor what is the unliftio state for master at the moment?
2020-03-05 23:20:33	alanz	I want to get to the release, tonight if possible
2020-03-05 23:20:46	fendor	alanz, I did nothing about it so far.
2020-03-05 23:21:25	alanz	My main question is whether we shouls include #1679 in the release or not
2020-03-05 23:22:35	alanz	actually its fine. Will put it together for a final check
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2020-03-05 23:39:12	alanz	jneira, fendor I updated https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1681, if you guys are happy and CI passes, I will tag it (later)
2020-03-05 23:39:45	alanz	mpickering, I used GHC 8.6.5, what is the preferred version at the moment?
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2020-03-06 00:11:41	mpickering	Not sure that question makes sense, you need to compile it with the right version for your project
2020-03-06 00:16:52	alanz	I did. 8.6.5 for both.
2020-03-06 00:17:04	alanz	my current "default" ghc
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2020-03-06 01:09:36	jneira	alanz: i think #1697 can be included, it is green thanks to `unlift-core < 0.2`in cabal project
2020-03-06 01:10:01	jneira	we should fix the hie code later and remove the constraint
2020-03-06 01:10:16	jneira	tracked in the issue you created
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2020-03-06 01:20:36	drew1	hey, is there a way to exclude particular directories in a multi-cradle?
2020-03-06 01:24:27	jneira	yeah, look for `cradle: { none:  }` here: https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/blob/master/README.md
2020-03-06 01:24:46	jneira	to see an example, drew1
2020-03-06 01:26:37	drew1	i see, so how would I configure something like this?
2020-03-06 01:26:40	drew1	https://pastebin.com/1Nzdnzgq
2020-03-06 01:26:49	drew1	I have my "main" multicradle
2020-03-06 01:26:59	drew1	and I'd like it to ignore the `./deps` dir
2020-03-06 01:27:39	alanz	jneira, ok, will take a look
2020-03-06 01:27:49	drew1	actually i see the other example
2020-03-06 01:27:51	drew1	thanks
2020-03-06 01:29:18	alanz	jneira, I merged https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1679, but the circleci build fails?
2020-03-06 01:29:26	alanz	hsimport version problem
2020-03-06 01:33:28	jneira	uh actually i merged it, the ci for that commit in master is green but 2 azure jobs: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/runs/487680175
2020-03-06 01:33:54	alanz	jneira, yes, I was just looking at that. So I am really confused
2020-03-06 01:34:04	alanz	It should just be an admin update, changelog and stuff
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2020-03-06 01:35:45	jneira	mmm, but that commit will be your pr, it could be updated with #1679 and that will be the commit for the tag
2020-03-06 01:37:36	jneira	sorry maybe i should have waited to merge it :-/
2020-03-06 01:39:51	jneira	i can do a rebase and update the changelog if you wish
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2020-03-06 01:43:55	alanz	jneira, I already did that, and got failures. See my updated PR, which merged master
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2020-03-06 01:44:48	alanz	I tried merging, and then pushed, then rebased locally and getting the same problem. I think I need to force stack to update its cabal cache though, to pick up the new version
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2020-03-06 01:45:44	alanz	cleared cache, trying again
2020-03-06 01:45:54	alanz	https://circleci.com/workflow-run/50c415ab-db56-4e8f-8552-b4340e4d30ba
2020-03-06 01:46:22	alanz	and doing "stack update" locally
2020-03-06 01:46:36	jneira	ok, maybe changes in deps are incompatible between both :-|
2020-03-06 01:49:56	alanz	no idea, just pushed an additional branch, which is a rebase of master, and only has the hie version bumps and changelog
2020-03-06 01:50:17	alanz	https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/workflows/haskell-ide-engine/tree/prepare-1.2-before-rebase
2020-03-06 01:56:01	jneira	mmm weird, i've set `hsimport-0.11.0@rev1` in stack.yaml's files to ensure they use the fendor revision
2020-03-06 01:56:27	jneira	that revision changed haskell-src-exts to >=1.18.0 && <1.24
2020-03-06 01:57:08	jneira	but stack complains that hsimport needs haskell-src-exts < 1.22 (like the version prior to the revision)
2020-03-06 01:57:20	jneira	and taht worked in my pr and in master
2020-03-06 02:00:43	jneira	now it is building in circleci, so it is a cache issue
2020-03-06 02:03:10	jneira	??
2020-03-06 02:03:31	alanz	I flushed the circle cache, and rebuilding. Will see what happens
2020-03-06 02:03:39	alanz	but locally it also fails.
2020-03-06 02:03:52	jneira	yeah for me too
2020-03-06 02:04:07	alanz	I think it may be better to use the pantry sha256 for hsimport, rather than that rev number
2020-03-06 02:04:15	alanz	it plays with the ecosystem
2020-03-06 02:05:08	alanz	and https://circleci.com/workflow-run/50c415ab-db56-4e8f-8552-b4340e4d30ba has been building 18 mins, failed at 6 before. But then this is a fresh cache :(
2020-03-06 02:05:35	alanz	let me fight with ghcide/hls/hie-bios for a bit instead
2020-03-06 02:06:41	jneira	but master is building fine for me so it is the combination
2020-03-06 02:07:37	alanz	agree
2020-03-06 02:07:48	alanz	that is the anchor we have. An existence proof
2020-03-06 02:09:50	alanz	jneira, cabal new-configure --enable-tests comes up with a solution
2020-03-06 02:09:57	alanz	building now. With ghc-8.6.5
2020-03-06 02:09:59	alanz	locally
2020-03-06 02:10:03	jneira	great
2020-03-06 02:10:45	jneira	but the pr does not have any dep bump now, no?
2020-03-06 02:11:28	alanz	my second one des
2020-03-06 02:11:35	alanz	does, but not a PR yet
2020-03-06 02:11:58	alanz	https://circleci.com/gh/alanz/workflows/haskell-ide-engine/tree/prepare-1.2-before-rebase
2020-03-06 02:12:03	alanz	badly named branch
2020-03-06 02:12:18	alanz	it is actually after the rebase, and with the version bump etc
2020-03-06 02:12:47	jneira	ah ok
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2020-03-06 02:14:23	alanz	mpickering, this commit makes me wonder about ghcide right now: https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/commit/df63fd76c09c3779687ee117a285ecdc9d581f9a
2020-03-06 02:17:16	alanz	not sure if it is tested with wild setups, rather than carefully crafted big ones. Building the version before, will see what changes
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2020-03-06 02:20:17	alanz	mpickering, nvm, I bit myself with expecting multi-cradle to work in ghcide/hls
2020-03-06 02:20:29	alanz	nudge nudge
2020-03-06 02:25:04	jneira	alanz: ok, i've removed stack-8.6.5.yaml.lock and then stack have been able to build it
2020-03-06 02:25:18	jneira	:-/
2020-03-06 02:26:26	alanz	ah
2020-03-06 02:26:27	jneira	now hsimport has the pantry sha c8270366709c457a4387d453694235f20cc693bc180b179314c35b847b6a3a35
2020-03-06 02:26:44	alanz	well, if the lock file does it, maybe we can skip the sha
2020-03-06 02:26:57	alanz	I tend to strip them out as being noise, and mostly not needed.
2020-03-06 02:27:08	alanz	the @rev is clear, so can stay. 
2020-03-06 02:27:12	alanz	thoughts?
2020-03-06 02:27:36	alanz	maybe we should delete the .lock files on CI?
2020-03-06 02:27:49	jneira	maybe put hsimport-0.11.0@sha256:e8f1774aff97215d7cc3a6c81635fae75b80af182f732f8fe28d1ed6eb9c7401,3170
2020-03-06 02:28:10	jneira	is the magic word
2020-03-06 02:28:44	alanz	I know, but we have been ignoring those before. So I am likely to kill it some time as being horrible in a config file
2020-03-06 02:29:10	alanz	so getting the CI and install to flush the .lock files might be a good idea
2020-03-06 02:29:19	 *	alanz sounds a bit feeble
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2020-03-06 02:31:02	jneira	but i thought lock files are not in the repo and ci checks out a fresh copy each time
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2020-03-06 02:31:09	alanz	but at least we are likely to have the latest CI stuff pass
2020-03-06 02:35:02	alanz	possibly. I think it is a combination of doing 'stack update' to get the latest stuff from hackage, and getting rid of the lock files
2020-03-06 02:35:06	alanz	we will see in a bit
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2020-03-06 03:00:20	mpickering	What does `runWithHandles` do with the stdout handle?
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2020-03-06 03:15:22	alanz	where is that used?
2020-03-06 03:15:41	alanz	How do we map filenames back in error messages? I am getting https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1683
2020-03-06 03:17:04	alanz	ah, haskell-lsp
2020-03-06 03:17:53	alanz	mpickering, this? https://github.com/bef0/haskell-lsp/blob/c67a2ee630e010492982114b11568d4a364a1860/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Control.hs#L64
2020-03-06 03:18:07	mpickering	yeah
2020-03-06 03:18:15	mpickering	I am trying to understand how language servers send things to the client
2020-03-06 03:18:19	mpickering	I thought they just printed them to stdout
2020-03-06 03:18:27	mpickering	so the presence of the stdout handle confused me
2020-03-06 03:19:01	alanz	that handle exists so lsp-test can interpose a capturing pass-through
2020-03-06 03:19:17	alanz	for your purposes it is the same as stdin/stdout
2020-03-06 03:19:19	mpickering	ok
2020-03-06 03:20:01	alanz	same way we can run external-interpreter with handles. To manage repl io. One day, in my dreams
2020-03-06 03:20:54	mpickering	I am trying to hook my reflex stuff into ghcide now
2020-03-06 03:21:08	mpickering	which is requiring me to hack around in these internal parts as the whole model has to change
2020-03-06 03:21:27	mpickering	but I am quite motivated as I want to see how if it works..
2020-03-06 03:21:53	alanz	nice
2020-03-06 03:22:19	alanz	the key thing is that haskell-lsp does everything via mailboxes, under the hood.
2020-03-06 03:23:10	alanz	accumulate from stdin until a whole message is received, then chuck it in a mailbox. To send, you put the message in a mailbox, it goes into the sender thread which picks it up, puts the protocol wrapper on it, and bangs it out
2020-03-06 03:23:36	alanz	maintains liveness in the rest of the system in the presence of blocking, slowdowns, etc
2020-03-06 03:24:27	alanz	For my part, I am getting a plugin architecture in place for hls, which can bridge what we are doing in hie.
2020-03-06 03:24:35	alanz	Looking very promising
2020-03-06 03:28:33	mpickering	sounds good
2020-03-06 03:29:42	alanz	plugins and multi-cradle are the two must-haves
2020-03-06 03:30:01	alanz	I guess your effort is on the back burner for now?
2020-03-06 03:30:21	mpickering	well no
2020-03-06 03:30:35	mpickering	but I was busy all weekend and the start of this week was ICFP deadline
2020-03-06 03:30:39	mpickering	so I am taking some time for myself
2020-03-06 03:30:47	mpickering	I have a basic version working
2020-03-06 03:30:59	mpickering	but a really strange error I need to debug which goes away after one reload
2020-03-06 03:31:44	alanz	ok, sounds like progress. Its always hard to fit this stuff in.
2020-03-06 03:31:53	alanz	I had a week off, work travel
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2020-03-06 03:35:42	jneira	@alanz i've added some comments with commit suggestions to update #1681
2020-03-06 03:36:00	jneira	the last builds of the pr seems to be ok :-)
2020-03-06 03:36:50	alanz	great
2020-03-06 03:36:57	alanz	will take a look in a bit
2020-03-06 03:42:13	alanz	jneira, will update
2020-03-06 03:43:52	jneira	jumm what we did to get the build in ci works? run stack update and deleting lock files?
2020-03-06 03:44:59	jneira	stack has been a little bit pesky this time
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2020-03-06 03:53:44	alanz	jneira, I went to the environment variable and changed HIE_CACHE to a new value. Today's daye
2020-03-06 03:53:57	alanz	this triggers a cache flush, as the keys no longer exist
2020-03-06 03:54:08	alanz	date, not daye
2020-03-06 03:58:17	jneira	ok, cache invalidation is the hardest problem in cs etcetc :-D
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2020-03-06 04:00:43	alanz	and naming things :)
2020-03-06 04:01:03	alanz	I just applied those suggestions, lets see how the build does
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2020-03-06 04:11:58	jneira	:+1:
2020-03-06 04:12:07	jneira	alanz: only one suggestion is still pending (add hoogle and haskell-src-exts)
2020-03-06 04:12:32	alanz	oops. Do you want to push the button on it?
2020-03-06 04:12:35	alanz	can you?
2020-03-06 04:14:24	jneira	yeah
2020-03-06 04:14:46	alanz	jneira, I just did it, there is one more comment, but I think it is just discussion?
2020-03-06 04:15:49	jneira	yeah
2020-03-06 04:16:02	jneira	you can resolve if you wish :-)
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2020-03-06 04:17:17	jneira	Great, many thanks! 
2020-03-06 04:17:30	jneira	time to go to bed, good night!
2020-03-06 04:17:51	alanz	good night. Feel free to push the button and tag if the tests pass
2020-03-06 04:18:08	alanz	I will not really be able to look at it during the day tomorrow
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2020-03-06 04:42:07	mpickering	ok I got Rules.hs to compile, 5 more modules to go, time for bed
2020-03-06 04:47:12	alanz	mpickering, in what context?
2020-03-06 04:47:31	alanz	I have plugins working, generating codeactions, but not executing commands
2020-03-06 04:47:39	alanz	also heading to bed shortly
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2020-03-06 05:20:18	alanz	And I think haskell-language-server plugin architecture now works. Time for bed.
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2020-03-06 15:39:46	mpickering	ok good news, now ghcide compiles with only about 20 undefined
2020-03-06 15:40:04	mpickering	Now all I have to do is fix those
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2020-03-06 16:28:35	jneira_	haskell-ide-engine-1.2 has been released :-D
2020-03-06 16:28:44	jneira_	alanz ^^
2020-03-06 16:30:36	alanz	jneira_: thanks
2020-03-06 16:30:51	jneira_	i hope i did it correctly, that is my first github release :-)
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2020-03-06 16:31:25	jneira_	look at me mum,etcetc :-P
2020-03-06 16:31:28	 *	infinisil goes to update all-hies
2020-03-06 16:31:32	alanz	Main thing is to create a tag. Then I just copy paste the changelog section into the release thing
2020-03-06 16:31:58	alanz	jneira_: will have to give you a badge
2020-03-06 16:32:03	jneira_	:+1: i did it in my repo first just in case
2020-03-06 16:32:41	alanz	Just looked, seems fine at first blush
2020-03-06 16:33:19	alanz	Hopefully the end march release will be moving into caretaker mode, as hls takes over 
2020-03-06 16:33:39	jneira_	well it is no my first one but personal projects that nobody has downloaded does not count
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2020-03-06 16:34:20	jneira_	yeah, i am afraid that multicomponent support is still pending, right?
2020-03-06 16:35:53	jneira_	alanz: i would like to merge my pr in haskell-lsp and maybe make a another one in ghcide to move its NormalizedFilePath to the haskell-lsp one
2020-03-06 16:36:34	jneira_	cocreature: let me know i i can help to make the review of https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/224 easier
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2020-03-06 16:37:32	alanz	jneira_:  be my guest, so long as you and cocreature are happy with it
2020-03-06 16:38:39	jneira_	i introduces a change from ghcide version to handle files with # or ? in it and fix the roundtrip filePath -> normalizedFilePath -> normalizedUri -> normalizedFilePath -> filePath
2020-03-06 16:39:01	jneira_	uri escaping could be tricky :-/
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2020-03-06 23:27:10	mpickering	alanz: What is your famous stance on hover?
2020-03-06 23:27:23	mpickering	Should instantly return either if there are no results?
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2020-03-06 23:28:54	alanz	mpickering, yes. should consult a cache, return results if there, nothing if not
2020-03-06 23:29:11	mpickering	what about goto definition?
2020-03-06 23:29:19	alanz	all those high frequency calls, highlights, etc
2020-03-06 23:29:52	alanz	that I think *can* take a bit longer. but should have a cutoff
2020-03-06 23:30:19	mpickering	right now nothing blocks ha, so hover works as you would expect at least
2020-03-06 23:30:19	alanz	so after say 500 to 1000ms it returns a negative result
2020-03-06 23:30:29	drew1	hey friends, I've noticed that getting the type definition for the value under my cursor doesn't seem to work in coc.nvim with hie. Is this expected?
2020-03-06 23:30:31	drew1	https://pastebin.com/6eLi90ua
2020-03-06 23:30:34	drew1	^^ logs
2020-03-06 23:30:41	alanz	could possibly be as long as 5000 ms
2020-03-06 23:30:44	mpickering	Need to think more about how to implement blocking 
2020-03-06 23:31:13	mpickering	I think I have a nice idea
2020-03-06 23:31:52	fendor	drew1, you mean goto type definition doesnt work? It is currently known that it doesnt work if the definition is in another component
2020-03-06 23:31:57	alanz	what I was trying to do in hie is decouple things. so you throw requests into a worker zone, and just return results based on what has been calculated
2020-03-06 23:32:06	drew1	it's not go-too
2020-03-06 23:32:14	alanz	in the main loop
2020-03-06 23:32:14	drew1	nmap <silent> gy <Plug>(coc-type-definition)
2020-03-06 23:32:27	drew1	go-to definition works great
2020-03-06 23:32:53	mpickering	the main issue at the moment is that everything is too strict
2020-03-06 23:33:03	mpickering	so everything is calculated for all modules up front, before it's demanded
2020-03-06 23:33:27	mpickering	I can try and solve that now actually
2020-03-06 23:33:36	alanz	mpickering, that is the distinction between the three things in HIE: slow, using GHC, background. Deferrred, wait for result then process (now a shakerule) or consult cache,return immediately
2020-03-06 23:34:22	mpickering	actually I want to get home before it gets too dark
2020-03-06 23:34:24	mpickering	beautiful day here today
2020-03-06 23:34:30	mpickering	have a good weekend everyone
2020-03-06 23:34:33	alanz	I think on-demand for the background stuff makes sense, but the main loop needs to be lightweight. it should *never* stop processing messages
2020-03-06 23:34:45	drew1	fendor any ideas?
2020-03-06 23:34:46	alanz	Beautiful day here too.
2020-03-06 23:35:02	mpickering	well there's the small issue that reflex isn't concurrent at all ha
2020-03-06 23:35:08	mpickering	but this is research stuff anyway
2020-03-06 23:35:44	alanz	well, you can put reflex behind the main loop.
2020-03-06 23:36:01	fendor	drew1, you mean you cant see the type of a selected expression? Or on hover you dont see the type?
2020-03-06 23:36:04	alanz	and  let its results go back and forth via queues. a la hie
2020-03-06 23:36:27	mpickering	all the interaction with the client is a lot nicer imo with the frp model
2020-03-06 23:36:30	alanz	requests in a q, results ditto. or back into a shared mem
2020-03-06 23:36:49	alanz	main thing is to guarantee liveness though
2020-03-06 23:37:13	alanz	In my mind that is *the* most important principle for an IDE
2020-03-06 23:37:26	alanz	cannot ever hang
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2020-03-06 23:37:59	drew1	no, that's show_documentation, and that works
2020-03-06 23:38:11	drew1	coc.nvim provides a binding for coc-type-definition
2020-03-06 23:38:36	drew1	and that returns [coc.nvim] Type definition not found
2020-03-06 23:38:44	drew1	the corresponding logs are listed in that pastebin
2020-03-06 23:39:17	drew1	it looks like hie interprets that as "DefinitionTypeRequest:RequestMessage"
2020-03-06 23:40:42	drew1	the "show_documentation" request is not the same type. that one is `HoverRequest:RequestMessage`
2020-03-06 23:41:51	drew1	and that shows a return in the logs. Do you know if HIE handles the "DefinitionTypeRequest:RequestMessage" at all?
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2020-03-06 23:44:02	drew1	it looks like it's responding with an empty list
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2020-03-06 23:48:29	fendor	drew1, are you sure you are not mixing something up? "textDocument/typeDefinition" is the goto type definition message.
2020-03-06 23:49:07	fendor	https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specifications/specification-current/#textDocument_typeDefinition
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2020-03-06 23:49:50	drew1	the response from hie doesnt say what message it handled
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2020-03-06 23:50:14	drew1	https://pastebin.com/YEaRp676
2020-03-06 23:50:16	fendor	it has the right id
2020-03-06 23:50:23	drew1	that's the request log for a hover
2020-03-06 23:51:04	drew1	here is the subsequest request log for the "DefinitionType"
2020-03-06 23:51:11	drew1	https://pastebin.com/tj0Z27WW
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2020-03-06 23:51:57	fendor	yeah, it looks like hie cant find the type definition
2020-03-06 23:52:06	fendor	or rather, the location of the type definition
2020-03-06 23:53:26	drew1	i'm not quite sure if that's expected or not
2020-03-06 23:53:37	drew1	is the client not sending the correct request?
2020-03-06 23:55:04	fendor	no, the client is sending the right request, but goto type definition does not work if interface files get reused because interface files do not save the definition location
2020-03-06 23:55:22	fendor	there is not much you can do about it, it is, unfortunately, a known bug at the moment
2020-03-06 23:55:24	drew1	this isn't go-to definition
2020-03-06 23:55:30	drew1	go-to definiton works fine for me
2020-03-06 23:55:43	drew1	i'm not sure what it's actually intending to do
2020-03-06 23:55:51	drew1	let me send some logs for go-to
2020-03-06 23:56:54	drew1	https://pastebin.com/BQwpD6qC
2020-03-06 23:57:01	drew1	this worked successfully in my ediot
2020-03-06 23:57:03	drew1	editor
2020-03-06 23:57:25	fendor	goto *type* definition
2020-03-06 23:57:39	fendor	you can go to the definition of function, or you can go to the definition of some type
2020-03-06 23:58:04	fendor	s/of function/of some symbol/
2020-03-06 23:58:07	drew1	i see
2020-03-06 23:58:17	drew1	so my main goal here is to actually get insert function siganture
2020-03-06 23:58:27	drew1	and i know that hie supports it, since it works with vscode
2020-03-06 23:58:38	drew1	i'm using coc.nvim and haven't been able to find that functionality
2020-03-06 23:58:54	fendor	yeah, I think hie doesnt correctly advertise that this code action exists
2020-03-06 23:58:59	drew1	obviously this is the HIE irc, so maybe it's not something that is discussed really here
2020-03-06 23:59:08	drew1	but are you aware of whether or not coc.nvim allows this?
2020-03-06 23:59:22	drew1	it's v nice when using vscode and I was hoping to get that feature with vim
2020-03-06 23:59:26	fendor	in vscode client, there is this code: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/src/commands/insertType.ts
2020-03-06 23:59:39	drew1	yeah exactly
2020-03-06 23:59:47	drew1	are you aware of whether or not coc nvim has this?
2020-03-06 23:59:53	fendor	no, sorry, I dont know
2020-03-06 23:59:58	drew1	ok thanks anyway
2020-03-07 00:00:06	alanz	fendor, I want to get rid of that code. It is against the principle of lsp
2020-03-07 00:00:17	fendor	alanz, I know, but we havent so far
2020-03-07 00:00:20	alanz	in vscode, that is
2020-03-07 00:00:26	drew1	of inserting type signature?
2020-03-07 00:00:37	cocreature	jneira_[m]: sorry I’ve been a swamped recently, I’ll try to get to it soon
2020-03-07 00:00:41	alanz	yes, via a custom command in a client
2020-03-07 00:01:06	drew1	the solution being that the client should just request the type signature, and that the reason is opaque to your LSP?
2020-03-07 00:01:14	fendor	alanz, do you have a plan how we can fix this?
2020-03-07 00:01:30	alanz	drew1, the solution being the server should offer to provide a type signature as a code action
2020-03-07 00:01:46	drew1	yeah, and then the client can do with that whatever it wants
2020-03-07 00:01:54	alanz	which then becomes available to *all* clients. As intended
2020-03-07 00:02:11	alanz	I think ghcide already has that, tbh
2020-03-07 00:02:29	cocreature	we show codelenses for missing signatures and then you can click on them to insert them
2020-03-07 00:03:08	alanz	cocreature, thanks
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2020-03-07 00:03:31	alanz	I want to bring that over to hls. My plugin provider branch is getting close
2020-03-07 00:03:50	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/45
2020-03-07 00:04:11	alanz	Got the proof-of-concept pluggable code actions working last night
2020-03-07 00:04:16	alanz	now it is just polishing
2020-03-07 00:04:40	alanz	and waiting for mpickering to get time to finish the multi-cradle stuff
2020-03-07 00:05:11	fendor	nice
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2020-03-07 00:08:56	alanz	fendor, ready for a serious GSOC sprint to polish it into something really solid
2020-03-07 00:09:23	fendor	glad to hear it :D I should start writing a proposal
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2020-03-07 00:11:35	alanz	i think the proposals open march 16 only?
2020-03-07 00:11:43	fendor	yeah
2020-03-07 00:11:49	fendor	they do, alongside registration
2020-03-07 00:12:06	alanz	but feel free to share drafts, if you want feedback. There are plenty of us here who can oblige
2020-03-07 00:12:14	alanz	and will give you whole-hearted support
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2020-03-07 00:15:57	fendor	that is great! I will start with it next week!
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2020-03-07 00:34:20	alanz	jneira_[m], we need to tell people to trash their stack-*.yaml.lock files
2020-03-07 00:34:27	alanz	else the 1.2 version won't install
2020-03-07 00:34:42	alanz	Just tried to build it locally in my "production" zone
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2020-03-07 03:55:52	mpickering	still no luck with multi-component
2020-03-07 03:56:09	mpickering	I can reproduce the failure but still can't work out why the instance is not loaded
2020-03-07 03:56:13	mpickering	getting frustrating
2020-03-07 03:57:32	mpickering	Seems to be something to do with instances which are imported transitively 
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2020-03-07 05:45:14	alanz	mpickering, nothing like a challenge
2020-03-07 05:45:38	alanz	Do you want some extra eyes on it?
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2020-03-07 13:21:52	mpickering	worked it out now ..
2020-03-07 13:21:58	mpickering	complaining on IRC is a good way to make progress
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2020-03-07 16:51:12	infinisil	Whaaaat: https://github.com/Infinisil/all-hies/issues/50#issuecomment-596005811
2020-03-07 16:52:10	fendor	agreed, that is a big wtf
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2020-03-07 22:54:13	alanz	mpickering, sounds great
2020-03-07 22:54:24	alanz	sleeping on it helps a lot too
2020-03-07 22:57:45	mpickering	feels good to have a handle on the issue
2020-03-07 22:57:54	mpickering	makes fixing it possible by a strategy other than guessing
2020-03-07 22:58:10	mpickering	something that has also helped a lot was building my own copy of 8.10 so I can insert debug statements into GHC
2020-03-07 23:06:37	alanz	sounds good
2020-03-07 23:06:50	alanz	will it work with earlier versions too?
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2020-03-07 23:19:36	mpickering	yeah
2020-03-07 23:21:10	alanz	great. Really looking forward to that. Time to get back to plugins, I guess.
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2020-03-08 02:39:19	alanz	lukelau, how do I use something like skipManyTill with getDocumentEdit?
2020-03-08 02:40:18	alanz	Getting a whole bunch of registerCapability messages thrown in from the server for watched files, want to skip them, but not miss the document edit
2020-03-08 03:44:23	fendor	are there some up-to-date docker containers with hie available? 
2020-03-08 04:01:34	fendor	I can give the dev container a try
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2020-03-08 04:48:29	mpickering	think I have unraveled the multi-cradle issue now
2020-03-08 04:48:41	mpickering	what projects should I try it on?
2020-03-08 04:49:28	mpickering	need to test it in an editor (lol)
2020-03-08 04:49:34	mpickering	one day I will join the ranks of IDE users
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2020-03-08 05:50:42	alanz	mpickering, use vscode, against hie :)
2020-03-08 05:50:52	alanz	congratulations
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2020-03-08 17:36:47	mpickering	tested on hie, works now, nearly
2020-03-08 17:40:50	alanz	mpickering, nice
2020-03-08 17:42:45	mpickering	For some reason cabal selects the `pendantic` flag which turned on Werror which had bad consequences
2020-03-08 17:46:57	alanz	we set it for tests, both in the stack.yaml and cabal.project files
2020-03-08 17:47:25	alanz	So it is something we will want to re-enable some time.
2020-03-08 17:47:36	alanz	I know it is really frustrating while developing
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2020-03-08 18:11:07	mpickering	It was a bad interaction because I turned off defer type errors in ghcide
2020-03-08 18:12:04	mpickering	hmm actually not, this is quite confusing
2020-03-08 18:12:49	mpickering	oh they are enabled in the cabal.project file
2020-03-08 18:14:25	alanz	yes, to match what we do in the stack.yaml files
2020-03-08 18:17:07	mpickering	I suspect ghcide is probably broken working on ghcide atm without my patch
2020-03-08 18:18:25	alanz	it would not surprise me. Working on yourself is a weird setup at the best of times
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2020-03-08 18:19:20	alanz	I sort of work around it on hie, hls etc by doing a separate install of the exe via stack, then try to develop via cabal new-build
2020-03-08 18:19:40	alanz	it sometimes works
2020-03-08 18:21:59	mpickering	oh lol
2020-03-08 18:22:42	mpickering	It's because for some reason, ghcide always enables warnings for top-level definitions without signatures
2020-03-08 18:25:00	mpickering	I will just comment that out for now, not really my problem
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2020-03-08 19:24:43	mpickering	fendor: Will you try this branch at some point? https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/tree/wip/multi
2020-03-08 19:25:34	fendor	mpickering, sure
2020-03-08 19:25:46	fendor	what is expected to work?
2020-03-08 19:25:59	mpickering	I have tested the CLI and also with my reflex-ghcide client
2020-03-08 19:26:01	mpickering	not in an editor yet
2020-03-08 19:26:10	mpickering	but if you open one file from each component
2020-03-08 19:26:21	mpickering	then you should be able to jump to definition between components
2020-03-08 19:26:35	mpickering	and if you edit a library file, the executable file will recompile
2020-03-08 19:26:49	fendor	:O so almost everything?
2020-03-08 19:26:55	mpickering	I tested on ghcide and haskell-ide-engine code base
2020-03-08 19:26:59	mpickering	what else is there :) ?
2020-03-08 19:27:18	mpickering	I am wondering if the interface is very ergonomic, because the components get loaded lazily once you open the files
2020-03-08 19:27:36	mpickering	so jump to defeinition will not work until you open a library component file
2020-03-08 19:28:41	fendor	dunno, probably testing :D 
2020-03-08 19:28:59	fendor	yeah that doesnt sound very nice, but it is clearly better than before
2020-03-08 19:29:17	mpickering	otherwise, what do you do?
2020-03-08 19:29:40	mpickering	You could try and load as many components as possible up front but not complain if any fail
2020-03-08 19:29:58	mpickering	but that would only work with an explicit multi-cradle at the moment
2020-03-08 19:30:09	mpickering	until we add an interface which allows you to list targets
2020-03-08 19:31:06	fendor	ok, makes sense. We should probably do that then :D 
2020-03-08 19:33:57	mpickering	This stuff is easy to change
2020-03-08 19:34:00	fendor	I will experiment with it in the next days! installing it right now
2020-03-08 19:34:29	mpickering	The code is quite simple now, after much pain, 
2020-03-08 19:39:26	mpickering	Also, when you load a new component, it will retypecheck everything, so may feel a little sluggish
2020-03-08 19:39:31	alanz	its funny how things distil down to someting simple, after a long roundabout
2020-03-08 19:39:54	alanz	And I reckon ergonomics can be tweaked, the main thing is to have something that works, to build from
2020-03-08 19:40:07	fendor	completely fine, we will improve it!
2020-03-08 19:40:26	mpickering	yes much easier to modify something which already works rather than have nothing at all
2020-03-08 19:53:01	alanz	exactly
2020-03-08 19:53:20	alanz	any big complex thing grew up out of something less complex, that worked
2020-03-08 20:05:53	alanz	mpickering, trying it on ghcide, looks great on first blush. Well done.
2020-03-08 20:06:02	alanz	using emacs lsp-mode
2020-03-08 20:06:13	mpickering	did you write a hie.yaml file?
2020-03-08 20:06:26	alanz	I used the one from your ghcide branch
2020-03-08 20:06:46	alanz	I figured I would go with the one you had used, less chance for a mistake.
2020-03-08 20:07:02	alanz	Will try hie now too. Then haskell-language-server
2020-03-08 20:12:34	alanz	mpickering, having go to definition work across components is a dream. 
2020-03-08 20:12:48	alanz	Very impressed.
2020-03-08 20:12:57	alanz	(on hie)
2020-03-08 20:13:22	alanz	getting between the hie main stuff and hie-plugin-api has always been a pain
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2020-03-08 20:56:06	 *	jneira[m] is eager to try mpickering version
2020-03-08 20:56:35	alanz	well worth it. Will be interesting to see how it behaves on windows
2020-03-08 20:57:40	jneira[m]	Could i try in hls updating the ghcide submodule?
2020-03-08 21:00:29	alanz	jneira[m], ymmv :)
2020-03-08 21:01:00	alanz	I contemplated updating my branch with it, but it (wip/multi) needs a rebase first
2020-03-08 21:01:29	mpickering	The base commit is before the changes which added support for reloading when dependencies changed
2020-03-08 21:01:59	mpickering	Because the rebase was bad through there. I will look at how that works and reimplement it myself probably
2020-03-08 21:02:09	alanz	its not a problem, just means there are a set of steps to follow to get things reliably in place
2020-03-08 21:02:52	alanz	ok
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2020-03-08 21:34:04	mpickering	No one is under the illusion my branches will work properly the first time anymore ;) 
2020-03-08 21:36:47	alanz	well, making major changes like this requires focusing on the goal
2020-03-08 21:37:01	alanz	and tends to leave wreckage lying around in the other features
2020-03-08 21:37:08	alanz	as we have learned from your branches
2020-03-08 21:37:27	alanz	But I think it is necessary sometimes, for the difficult stuff
2020-03-08 21:50:11	alanz	I spent the afternoon trying to work out why my codelens was not showing up. Eventually realised it is disabled in lsp-mode on emacs by default. facepalm.
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2020-03-09 15:10:25	jneira_	trying mpickering branch wip/multi on ghcide itself and it looks great at first glance
2020-03-09 15:10:31	jneira_	in my windows 7
2020-03-09 15:10:47	jneira_	simply amazing :-O
2020-03-09 15:11:58	mpickering	thank you for trying
2020-03-09 15:12:31	jneira_	i tried to adapt hls to that ghcide branch, copypasting the exe from ghcide/wip/multi and redoing the hls changes manually but it did not work
2020-03-09 15:13:30	jneira_	surely i did it something wrong :-/
2020-03-09 15:15:18	jneira_	i hope we will able to remove those duplicated large chunks of code soon
2020-03-09 15:15:34	jneira_	(between hls, ghcide and hie)
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2020-03-09 19:23:21	jneira_	ok, i think i have a hls version twith ghcide wip/multi integrated and working: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/compare/master...jneira:wip/multi?expand=1
2020-03-09 19:24:26	jneira_	i guess we still should wait to the rebase and merge of the branch in ghcide
2020-03-09 19:24:34	jneira_	alanz ^^
2020-03-09 19:27:13	alanz	jneira_: I agree. It is a complex change, rather wait for the ghcide guys to work it in
2020-03-09 19:27:26	alanz	Or assist in that
2020-03-09 19:27:57	alanz	And the sooner we can start nit worrying about hie the better. Double work is a pain
2020-03-09 19:28:04	jneira_	:+1: 
2020-03-09 19:28:42	jneira_	i've opened a draft pr anyway, just in case (although it will be closed)
2020-03-09 19:29:24	jneira_	it had not benn a big deal at end
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2020-03-10 01:25:45	arvid-hie	hi, can someone here try to help me get up and running with hie on archlinux? I installed stack and hie from the arch repo and AUR respectively. I'm trying to use hie in neovim via coc.vim.
2020-03-10 01:27:01	arvid-hie	when i do 'stack new helloworld new-template' and then try to edit the src/Lib.hs, I get the autocompletion from hie. But when I create new .hs file on the spot and try to edit that one, hie crashes.
2020-03-10 01:27:31	fendor	arvid-hie, it doesnt crash but it can not handle the project change. Restart the editor, then everything ought to work 
2020-03-10 01:30:04	arvid-hie	fendor  you mean exiting nvim and opening it again? I'm doing that.. at this point I restarted the whole computer multiple times. 
2020-03-10 01:31:40	arvid-hie	the error I get in nvim is: "[coc.nvim] Server haskell failed to start: request error. RequestMessage {_jsonrpc = "2.0", _id = IdInt 0, ... "test"}]}} user error (Pattern match failure in do expression at lib/Distribution/Helper.hs:603:7-22)
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2020-03-10 01:43:56	jneira	arvid-hie i am afraid you ran into https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1666
2020-03-10 01:44:57	jneira	As suggested in the issue, what is the output of `stack ide packages --cabal-files --stdout`?
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2020-03-10 01:49:47	arvid-hie	jneira thanks, that seems to be relevant.. also worth mentioning that I changed the command in :CocConfig from hie-wrapper to hie-8.8.2 to get it to work in the context of the new stack project at least..
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2020-03-10 01:51:26	arvid-hie	as for the ide command.. depends where I type it. in the folder of the project, I get '/home/user/Documents/Projects/Haskell/helloworld/helloworld.cabal' as the single line
2020-03-10 01:52:15	arvid-hie	in an empty folder, or one with a standalone hs file I'd like to load in ghci for example, I get empty output.
2020-03-10 01:53:28	arvid-hie	the prior output was executed in the folder '/home/user/Documents/Projects/Haskell/helloworld' btw
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2020-03-10 02:01:20	arvid-hie	jneira putting the "cradle: stack: " hie.yaml file in the folder as suggested in the first comment of the issue seems to help! thanks for pointing me to it. somehow missed it
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2020-03-10 02:10:18	jneira	no worries, it should work without an explicit config file though, we will update the issue when it is resolved
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2020-03-10 02:12:43	 *	alanz fighting with emacs lsp-mode, flycheck has disappeared
2020-03-10 02:20:06	arvid-hie	jneira it doesn't for me.. i was playing with it now for a bit, but whether the hie.yaml is there or not seems to make all the difference..
2020-03-10 02:22:01	jneira	so `hie.yaml` fixes it, right?
2020-03-10 02:22:32	arvid-hie	yep. with the two lines described in the issue.
2020-03-10 02:23:29	jneira	nice to have a workaround; to fix it without `hie.yaml` we probably have to patch an upstream library (`cabal-helper`)
2020-03-10 02:26:04	arvid-hie	good to hear. Thanks for all the work. 
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2020-03-10 03:29:48	 *	alanz learned I now need to (require 'lsp-ui)
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2020-03-10 04:54:11	alanz	why would ghcide always be trying to register a watcher on Prelude.lhs?
2020-03-10 04:54:16	alanz	which does not even exist
2020-03-10 04:55:26	mpickering	because if it starts to exist
2020-03-10 04:55:33	mpickering	oh Prelude.lhs
2020-03-10 04:55:35	mpickering	I'm not sure :) 
2020-03-10 04:56:10	alanz	it puts it in weird places. Like /home/alanz/tmp/hie-t2/src/Prelude.lhs for a hie-t2 test project
2020-03-10 04:56:32	alanz	or /home/alanz/mysrc/github/alanz/haskell-language-server/test/testdata/.stack-work/dist/x86_64-linux-tinfo6/Cabal-2.4.0.1/build/global-autogen/Prelude.lhs
2020-03-10 04:56:43	alanz	when running the tests for haskell-language-server.
2020-03-10 04:57:17	alanz	But coming from the fileExistsFast rule in ghcide
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2020-03-10 05:00:26	mpickering	that's all the include paths
2020-03-10 05:00:35	mpickering	so if Prelude.lhs starts to exist there then it should know about it
2020-03-10 05:00:54	alanz	yes. I suspect it might be coming from hie-bios, or some such
2020-03-10 05:01:05	mpickering	?
2020-03-10 05:01:10	alanz	the string does not exist in the project anywhere. 
2020-03-10 05:01:35	alanz	so it is in a dep. Maybe haskell-lsp. Or some other library/
2020-03-10 05:01:49	mpickering	what string?
2020-03-10 05:01:57	alanz	"Prelude.lhs"
2020-03-10 05:02:11	mpickering	but `Prelude` does
2020-03-10 05:02:17	mpickering	so it guesses the locations for where it might be
2020-03-10 05:02:35	alanz	but this is the registered watcher?
2020-03-10 05:03:10	alanz	I am going to have to dive into the mechanics of this watching process, I think. Not a bad exercise to understand things
2020-03-10 05:04:28	alanz	tomorrow.
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2020-03-10 12:08:56	cocreature	alanz: we register a watcher to detect when the file starts existing which means that it would take precedence over imports from dependencies
2020-03-10 12:21:54	jneira_	conventions bits you later or sooner :-)
2020-03-10 12:21:56	jneira_	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1670#issuecomment-596909548
2020-03-10 12:22:14	jneira_	*bites
2020-03-10 13:54:42	alanz	cocreature, those files dont exist though. That is the weird bit
2020-03-10 14:07:26	cocreature	alanz: but you import them (because Prelude is implicitly imported). So we register a watcher to detect once they start existing so we can switch over from using the file from the dependency to using the file you have locally
2020-03-10 14:09:11	alanz	ok, sort of makes sense. why lhs suffix? And this is not really a problem, just messes with my tests
2020-03-10 14:09:32	alanz	I am waiting for the result of a code action, and it fails because all the registration messages going through
2020-03-10 14:09:57	cocreature	well we need to detect both .hs and .lhs files
2020-03-10 14:10:45	cocreature	I’m not sure how this breaks your tests. I usually just have `skipManyTill` in my tests
2020-03-10 14:10:58	alanz	ok, but I think I am only seeing the .lhs being registered.
2020-03-10 14:11:25	alanz	And I aassume this comes from the process of compiling a file with GHC
2020-03-10 14:13:25	cocreature	you should get registrations for both I believe
2020-03-10 14:15:44	alanz	ok, I will have to look in more detail, been focusing on a single instance, trying to track it down. Thanks for the explanation
2020-03-10 14:16:00	alanz	I will only get to it this evening sometime, day job time now
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2020-03-10 16:19:25	fendor	austria just closed universities and schools 
2020-03-10 16:21:42	Rembane	Wow. How many cases are there in Austria? 
2020-03-10 16:22:34	fendor	currently no clue
2020-03-10 16:23:29	Rembane	Got it. This calls for a dashboard. Or well, it really does not, but pandemic porn is definitely a thing. 
2020-03-10 16:24:04	fendor	haha
2020-03-10 16:24:27	jneira_	here too but "only" in the city where i work (vitoria)
2020-03-10 16:24:46	jneira_	and Madrid region
2020-03-10 16:24:59	fendor	crazy
2020-03-10 16:25:10	jneira_	children have to go to home but workers have to go work :-P
2020-03-10 16:25:44	jneira_	hard combination
2020-03-10 16:26:21	fendor	yeah, same. In this case, I have to go home, too :/
2020-03-10 16:26:53	Rembane	fendor: Can you work from home or will you have to put all this spare time into open source projects? 
2020-03-10 16:27:02	jneira_	122 cases here
2020-03-10 16:27:25	fendor	Rembane, :) Time for hacking on ghcide :D 
2020-03-10 16:28:12	Rembane	fendor: Sweet! ^^ 
2020-03-10 16:28:17	jneira_	he
2020-03-10 16:28:22	Rembane	>200 cases in Sweden. 
2020-03-10 16:28:28	fendor	we have like 122
2020-03-10 16:29:02	fendor	this feels like a crazy overkill
2020-03-10 16:29:16	jneira_	well 122 of 250.000 inhabitants in the city
2020-03-10 16:29:50	jneira_	1200 in spain
2020-03-10 16:30:00	fendor	vienna has one million inhabitants. It's crazy
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2020-03-10 23:16:35	jophish	I have a project which takes about 20 seconds to load, not a problem. However the whole project seems to reload when I change the Main module (root of the tree) 
2020-03-10 23:17:04	jophish	In ghci if I change Main and run :r just Main is recompiled (almost instantly) 
2020-03-10 23:17:33	jophish	I guess this isn't expected behaviour, but I couldn't find an issue on github describing this. 
2020-03-10 23:18:09	jophish	The vomitlog wasn't too helpful, I saw the modules being loaded but it didn't say why
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2020-03-11 01:07:09	sim590	Again, I seem not to be able to use HIE when I'm editing a cabal project file..
2020-03-11 01:07:13	sim590	Standalone files work.
2020-03-11 01:10:42	sim590	Actually, no. I don,t know. Nothing works..
2020-03-11 01:11:33	sim590	I'm having errors like "Could not find a Project for file: /tmp/File.hs". I don't know why it's looking for a file "File.hs". My file name is Toto.hs...
2020-03-11 01:32:45	fendor	sim590, "File.hs" is a dummy file name used for initial project discovery
2020-03-11 01:32:53	alanz	cocreature, ping
2020-03-11 01:33:00	cocreature	alanz: pong
2020-03-11 01:33:26	alanz	cocreature, I dont understand the logic around watching for the implicit prelude file
2020-03-11 01:33:35	alanz	in case it starts existing.
2020-03-11 01:34:02	cocreature	Prelude isn’t all that special in GHC. It’s just another import that is added implicitly. That’s why things like base-noprelude work
2020-03-11 01:34:14	cocreature	as a general rule GHC prefers local files over dependencies
2020-03-11 01:34:29	cocreature	so if you locate a module you first need to check if it exists, if it doesn’t look in the dependencies
2020-03-11 01:34:38	alanz	I know that, but if GHC is using an implicit prelude, is that not an internal fudge?
2020-03-11 01:34:41	cocreature	but that might change so we register a watcher to detect when it starts existing
2020-03-11 01:34:55	cocreature	why? you can have a module called Prelude
2020-03-11 01:35:03	alanz	ie. implicit prelude is a "built-in" of some kind?
2020-03-11 01:35:20	cocreature	no it’s not. As I mentioned above it’s just another import which is why things like base-noprelude work
2020-03-11 01:35:44	alanz	ok.
2020-03-11 01:36:01	alanz	Well, then I guess the way to fix my tests is pragma NoImplicitPrelude
2020-03-11 01:36:10	alanz	thanks for clearing that up for me
2020-03-11 01:36:19	cocreature	I would argue that your tests should just ignore the message instead
2020-03-11 01:36:27	cocreature	i.e. don’t expect a specific message but use skipManyTill
2020-03-11 01:36:53	alanz	I would like to, and tried to, but I am calling the lsp-test function to get a document after an edit
2020-03-11 01:37:02	alanz	it does not have an option to skipmanyuntil
2020-03-11 01:37:08	alanz	and the until consumes it
2020-03-11 01:37:10	cocreature	which one is that?
2020-03-11 01:37:23	alanz	hmm, maybe I can use it that way.
2020-03-11 01:37:37	alanz	hold on, let me dig it out
2020-03-11 01:38:52	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-language-server/blob/plugin-api/test/functional/PluginSpec.hs#L63
2020-03-11 01:39:48	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-language-server/blob/plugin-api/test/functional/PluginSpec.hs#L58 does not do the job, perhaps because I need to trap multiple of them
2020-03-11 01:40:19	alanz	At the end of the day, the simpler the test can be the better, and adding NoImplicitPrelude simplifies the message flow for the test
2020-03-11 01:40:40	cocreature	maybe you just want "skipMany RegisterCapabilityRequest"
2020-03-11 01:40:51	cocreature	eh "skipMany (message @RegisterCapabilityRequest)"
2020-03-11 01:40:55	alanz	true
2020-03-11 01:41:05	cocreature	or write your own version of getDocumentEdit, it looks simple enough
2020-03-11 01:41:33	alanz	I am a bit rusty on this stuff. But at least I understand *why* the message is generated, which was my first concern
2020-03-11 01:41:56	alanz	now I can adress it more completely, either by doing what you suggest, or causing it not to be emitted
2020-03-11 01:42:33	cocreature	a very simple solution might also be to just set your client capabilities to indicate that you do not suppor these
2020-03-11 01:42:56	alanz	ture
2020-03-11 01:42:58	alanz	true
2020-03-11 01:43:27	alanz	probably best to consume the messages though, run in the most "normal" mode
2020-03-11 01:43:35	sim590	I'm getting this output: https://paste.debian.net/1134357/ and nothing is working. I'm trying on standalone file.
2020-03-11 01:44:46	sim590	When looking at the log, even though I write the .hs file, there's no output from hie-wrapper... Like if LanguageClient was not sending queries to hie-wrapper.
2020-03-11 01:44:53	alanz	sim590, you need to have one of hie-8.6.5, hie-8.6, hie in your path, visible to the IDE starting up the server. Ie in the same place that hie wrappe rlives
2020-03-11 01:45:21	alanz	the wrapper starts up and then replaces itself with one of those exes. But it cant find them, so bails
2020-03-11 01:45:38	alanz	which is what your paste says, at the end
2020-03-11 01:46:36	sim590	Weird because I have the files there: https://i.imgur.com/CydNcZZ.png
2020-03-11 01:46:42	sim590	They're all next to each other.
2020-03-11 01:47:30	alanz	are you sure that is the version you are running?
2020-03-11 01:47:41	alanz	not one installed by say stack, or nix, or some other?
2020-03-11 01:48:26	alanz	jneira[m], we should consider giving the full absolute path to the hie-wrapper exe when we start up.
2020-03-11 01:48:41	alanz	and if we cant find the exe, perhaps dump the $PATH
2020-03-11 01:49:00	alanz	"giving" == print it out in the welcome log message
2020-03-11 01:49:09	sim590	OK, I found the issue. That's what you said. It's the PATH.
2020-03-11 01:50:09	alanz	great
2020-03-11 01:51:18	sim590	The thing is that I did change my desktop manager. I went from xinit to GDM3 and the environment variable is not set properly when launching my window manager which sets the environment for Vim when started in some manner.
2020-03-11 01:52:17	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1690
2020-03-11 01:52:34	alanz	we now have an issue to help future users
2020-03-11 01:53:12	alanz	sim590, if you get to the bottom of it, consider making a PR on the hie README, so the next person knows how to sort it out
2020-03-11 01:57:02	sim590	alanz: alright. I'M now testing this approach: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables#A.2BAH4-.2F.pam_environment. Relogging to see if it works.
2020-03-11 01:57:32	alanz	good luck
2020-03-11 01:57:47	alanz	you should be able to just set this stuff in your ~/.profile?
2020-03-11 01:58:24	alanz	I have this line in my ~/.profile: export PATH="$HOME/.cabal/bin:$HOME/.local/bin:$PATH"
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2020-03-11 02:12:09	sim590	alanz: finally, it's as simple as setting your environment variables in ~/.profile. I knew that before, but I guess that I didn't do it before when using xinit for some reason that I don't remmeber. It's just been a while since I used a DM, so I didn't think about it, but normally that's a pretty basic thing to do. I'm not sure if it's worth it.
2020-03-11 02:12:46	alanz	main thing is it is now sorted for you
2020-03-11 02:13:33	sim590	Yes. Thanks for your help!
2020-03-11 02:23:43	jneira	hackage revisions and stack dont mix very well
2020-03-11 02:24:40	jneira	not sure it stack don't trigger an index update with `package@revX` (but it does when see new versions not present in the index for sure)
2020-03-11 02:25:06	jneira	context: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1689
2020-03-11 02:25:40	alanz	jneira, I guess we need to use the sha256 then
2020-03-11 02:26:25	jneira	yeah, it should work
2020-03-11 02:30:49	 *	infinisil isn't able to update hie because https://github.com/commercialhaskell/lts-haskell doesn't seem to get any updates
2020-03-11 02:33:57	jneira	wow
2020-03-11 02:40:08	alanz	infinisil, they deliver their updates via a different mechanism now, I am sure
2020-03-11 02:44:07	infinisil	I think this is my cue to switch away from stack2nix to possibly haskell.nix (https://github.com/input-output-hk/haskell.nix/)
2020-03-11 02:44:20	infinisil	(stack2nix is the thing that tries to fetch from the lts-haskell repo)
2020-03-11 02:46:06	alanz	or update stack2nix to get the stuff directly from stackage.org
2020-03-11 02:49:35	infinisil	haskell.nix would actually simplify many things, though at the cost of slower evaluation and possibly having to compile more things, maybe even GHC, which would be a very annoying (compiling GHC for every HIE version, for 2 platforms..)
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2020-03-11 16:29:36	mpickering	My reflex implementation now correctly responds to file modification and file open events and the language server part works
2020-03-11 16:29:45	mpickering	getting closer to trying it in a proper editor 
2020-03-11 16:30:04	mpickering	So far I've been using reflex-ghcide to test it which only sends modification events, never things like hover etc
2020-03-11 16:30:40	mpickering	Need to add back support for progress and logging next
2020-03-11 16:30:51	mpickering	then will work on responding to hover and go-to-definition
2020-03-11 16:34:30	jneira_	performance penalty is not far from native ghcide?
2020-03-11 16:35:10	mpickering	Setting up the network initially seems a bit slower but typechecking response seems fast enough
2020-03-11 16:35:13	mpickering	I haven't measured yet
2020-03-11 16:36:53	mpickering	at the moment this will be impossible to understand for anyone other than me and there are hundreds of warnings
2020-03-11 16:36:59	mpickering	needs a lot of cleanup
2020-03-11 16:37:05	jneira_	amazing
2020-03-11 16:38:15	mpickering	Looking at the handlers ghcide installs, I don't have to implement that many more
2020-03-11 16:38:45	mpickering	and now IMO it is a lot cleaner as you directly specify which LSP event needs to trigger what to be recomputed
2020-03-11 16:39:00	mpickering	rather than the way before which involved invaldating the whole graph and then checking
2020-03-11 16:39:27	mpickering	so, sorry I've been working on this rather than multi-component haha
2020-03-11 16:39:32	mpickering	but this inspires me a bit more :) 
2020-03-11 17:16:10	jneira_	definitely it is more appealing :-)
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2020-03-11 23:15:17	jophish	mpickering: this is the FRP reflex? 
2020-03-11 23:19:23	jophish	Is there any writing on this beyond the readme? It seems like an intriguing mix of reflex and shake
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2020-03-12 14:10:20	mpickering	jophish: Yes, no writing yet sorry
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2020-03-12 16:03:58	jneira_	wow cabal rebuilds all dependencies and installs them with a new hash in the sd if you enable documentation
2020-03-12 16:22:09	fendor	yeah, doesnt stack do the same?
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2020-03-12 17:00:30	jneira_	not sure
2020-03-12 17:09:22	mpickering	hover and go-to definition now working for my fork
2020-03-12 17:09:40	mpickering	Do I dare try it on GHC yet ..
2020-03-12 17:12:30	mpickering	I wonder what else I have left to implement
2020-03-12 17:12:33	mpickering	perhaps the outline request
2020-03-12 17:45:15	fendor	jneira_, did you solve the unliftio issue?
2020-03-12 17:48:38	jneira_	nope, i dont even start to investigate
2020-03-12 17:52:23	fendor	jneira_, ok, then I will do it now. Issue is to update unliftio to latest, right?
2020-03-12 17:54:09	jneira_	yeah, it is tracked (including the lib commit that breaks our code): https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1680
2020-03-12 17:54:51	fendor	nice, thank you!
2020-03-12 18:03:00	fendor	is there a breaking change in unliftio hidden by unliftio-core? Thats not legal in PVP versioning, right?
2020-03-12 18:09:16	jneira_	yeah it is not
2020-03-12 18:10:50	jneira_	unliftio has not upper bound over unlifitio-core :-/
2020-03-12 18:10:53	jneira_	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/unliftio
2020-03-12 18:13:32	jneira_	so i guess the breaking change was leaked to *all* unliftio versions 
2020-03-12 18:13:54	jneira_	(no one has upper bound, even the older ones)
2020-03-12 18:14:21	fendor	hm. I suppose, fpco does not have to care since it will not affect their users
2020-03-12 18:14:33	fendor	Ill force all now to have version 0.2.0.1
2020-03-12 18:14:33	jneira_	stackage is not affected cause it fixes the two versions at once
2020-03-12 18:15:08	fendor	yeah
2020-03-12 18:15:32	jneira_	and you dont have to update the upper bound in each release :-P
2020-03-12 18:16:47	fendor	it seems fixed, will have a pr ready in a few minutes
2020-03-12 18:22:55	jneira_	nice
2020-03-12 18:23:33	jneira_	i would say that it is not a hackage-friendly config :-P
2020-03-12 18:25:24	fendor	unliftio? yeah, it seems weird 
2020-03-12 18:26:38	fendor	gotta say, new ghcide with multi component support is working great for me
2020-03-12 18:40:26	jneira_	yeah i gave it a quick try and worked fine
2020-03-12 18:40:48	jneira_	even the version of hls i patched
2020-03-12 18:45:15	fendor	nice! And it feels faster, too. 
2020-03-12 18:54:40	jneira_	wow generating hoogle docs has failed for resourcet in circleci
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2020-03-12 22:29:25	mpickering	Now added the ability to add a custom timeout to reponses
2020-03-12 22:29:45	mpickering	onto the plugin system
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2020-03-12 22:33:13	mpickering	actually that's a bit annoying haha.. perhaps not
2020-03-12 22:35:56	mpickering	I'm not sure why Outline and Hover are built-in but completions and code actions are plugins though
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2020-03-12 23:07:01	cocreature	mpickering: only historic reasons
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2020-03-12 23:25:23	mpickering	cocreature: Thanls
2020-03-12 23:26:19	mpickering	It is just a bit annoying to implement the plugins right now because unlike shake the rule types are not stored in a dynamic map
2020-03-12 23:26:24	mpickering	so I'll just leave them
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2020-03-12 23:41:51	alanz	cocreature, mpickering they can all be plugins in time, when hls gets more solid
2020-03-12 23:42:16	 *	alanz nudge nudge, https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/pull/477
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2020-03-12 23:46:22	mpickering	My branch just loaded `ghc/Main.hs` yessss, let's just ignore how long it took to build the network for now
2020-03-12 23:48:19	alanz	reflex?
2020-03-12 23:48:54	mpickering	yep
2020-03-12 23:49:14	mpickering	I think I know the reason why the initialisation time is very long at the moment and have a plan to make it better
2020-03-12 23:51:17	alanz	mpickering, where do you see things going with your branch and ghcide?
2020-03-12 23:51:37	mpickering	well I hope it gets merged at some point if it's better but I am not hopeful 
2020-03-12 23:51:46	mpickering	I can at least use it for my own purposes now 
2020-03-12 23:52:04	alanz	and what is your motivation for doing it in the first place?
2020-03-12 23:52:11	mpickering	ghcide is too slow
2020-03-12 23:52:15	mpickering	on big projects
2020-03-12 23:52:21	alanz	like ghc?
2020-03-12 23:52:22	mpickering	1s for hover requests
2020-03-12 23:52:23	mpickering	yes
2020-03-12 23:52:40	alanz	so why is your approach faster?
2020-03-12 23:52:41	mpickering	and also I wanted to see if it was possible to implement this
2020-03-12 23:52:54	mpickering	because it is push based rather than pull based
2020-03-12 23:53:02	 *	alanz can understand *that* motivation
2020-03-12 23:53:22	alanz	so if a file changes, the graph is pushed forward all the way
2020-03-12 23:53:36	alanz	so is ready when the request comes in?
2020-03-12 23:53:40	mpickering	yeah
2020-03-12 23:53:41	alanz	What about cancellation?
2020-03-12 23:53:49	mpickering	cancellation is dealt with outside of reflex
2020-03-12 23:53:53	alanz	ok
2020-03-12 23:54:00	mpickering	in theory, I haven't implemented that bit yet
2020-03-12 23:54:17	alanz	I was considering putting a loop into ghcide, which does a pull of stuff like hover info on save
2020-03-12 23:54:24	alanz	which gives the same nett effect
2020-03-12 23:54:47	mpickering	It is nicer imo to program with this model as well because you deal with the LSP notifications in the same language as everything else
2020-03-12 23:54:57	alanz	but reuses the existing solid implementation
2020-03-12 23:55:01	mpickering	There are these "alwaysRerun" rules in ghcide as well which seem hacky
2020-03-12 23:55:09	alanz	ok
2020-03-12 23:55:20	alanz	I have not really gone into the mechanics of that side.
2020-03-12 23:55:27	mpickering	proof will be in the pudding anyway
2020-03-12 23:55:38	mpickering	I need to make the initialisation faster clearly, it is not too bad for a small project like ghcide
2020-03-12 23:55:44	mpickering	but scales badly when you have a big one
2020-03-12 23:55:57	alanz	because of the up-front push
2020-03-12 23:55:58	alanz	?
2020-03-13 00:02:02	mpickering	I think because the way the rules are retriggered is a bit stupid and fails too often
2020-03-13 00:02:38	mpickering	For example if you import 100 modules, then it will try to compile the module 99 times before it suceeds
2020-03-13 00:02:48	mpickering	because it will try again when each of the dependencies is ready
2020-03-13 00:03:32	alanz	that sounds a bit flaky
2020-03-13 00:04:51	mpickering	in what way?
2020-03-13 00:05:18	mpickering	Then in future if any of the 100 dependencies changes, it triggers the recompilation again
2020-03-13 00:06:06	alanz	well, not flaky, just wasted effort
2020-03-13 00:09:13	mpickering	that's why I am going to change it
2020-03-13 00:13:53	alanz	great.  If I have any say in prioritisation, multi?
2020-03-13 00:14:11	alanz	what still needs to happen for multi to be "finished"
2020-03-13 00:14:12	alanz	?
2020-03-13 00:14:31	alanz	And can someone else do it now?
2020-03-13 00:17:02	mpickering	I need to fix hs-boot files and rebase it
2020-03-13 00:17:14	mpickering	I think otherwise it works, needs more testing though
2020-03-13 00:20:29	alanz	what needs to happen for the hs-boot files?
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2020-03-13 02:49:25	mpickering	Need to add them to the lookup cache
2020-03-13 02:49:43	mpickering	at the moment it only looks for .hs files
2020-03-13 02:49:47	mpickering	probably same for .lhs files
2020-03-13 02:52:17	alanz	ok, but a straightforward generalization, I presume?
2020-03-13 02:52:55	mpickering	well it makes me wonder if it's the right approach
2020-03-13 02:52:59	mpickering	currently it's a massive list
2020-03-13 02:53:23	mpickering	probably would be best to make it a slightly different map
2020-03-13 02:53:29	mpickering	I will work on it some more next week probably
2020-03-13 02:54:01	alanz	ok. Sorry to keep badgering you on this.  But I think there are others prepared to help, if they just get direction
2020-03-13 02:54:24	alanz	(if you are snowed under)
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2020-03-13 03:14:10	mpickering	well no one attempted to implement this apart from Moritz..
2020-03-13 03:15:18	alanz	I know, but for example i know jneira has tried to use your branch with hls. There are different kinds of skills around knowing/finding what to do, and doing the mechanics of bringing it up to date, generalising, etc 
2020-03-13 03:15:34	alanz	and at the moment people are standing back for you, not wanting to step on toes
2020-03-13 03:16:13	mpickering	If people try the branch and report what is broken, that's useful
2020-03-13 03:16:24	mpickering	but if people start touching the branch now it will slow me down
2020-03-13 03:17:20	alanz	which is why people are holding back. And we discussed it in the context of hls, and do not want to run a heavily forked ghcide, especially given the other stuff that pepe is slowly bringing in
2020-03-13 03:17:53	alanz	so reporting problems from our perspective is not so easy.
2020-03-13 03:19:16	alanz	so, no worries, we will wait a bit longer
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2020-03-13 13:48:58	mpickering	jophish: `reflex-ghcide` is not the same as `reflex-ghc`
2020-03-13 13:49:05	mpickering	Which may be a confusing fact
2020-03-13 14:26:19	jneira_	i've summarize my tests over the multi branch of ghcide: https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/pull/361#issuecomment-598616282, do you know which other tests can be done?
2020-03-13 14:29:07	mpickering	jneira_: hs-boot is known to be broken
2020-03-13 14:32:40	jneira_	it is curious that shake profiling is not working (for me) in the branch
2020-03-13 14:33:06	jneira_	no html report is created; it works for actual master
2020-03-13 14:36:50	jneira_	performance is good in general, beteer than hie i would say
2020-03-13 14:37:48	jneira_	only hover sometimes takes a little bit longer, and it dont show the "loading" message, but i guess it is a master behaviour too
2020-03-13 14:48:28	jneira_	it uses a lot of memory, 2.6 Gb being opened 10 or 12 files 
2020-03-13 14:50:30	jneira_	but  it makes triggered builds slow cause my machine dont have enough memory for cabal/ghc/ld,  loading the test component (after loading lib and exe)  is taking more than 5 minutes 
2020-03-13 14:51:08	jneira_	so i guess it is building the entire component graph in each component loading, no?
2020-03-13 15:00:00	mpickering	jneira_: I need to rebase this onto the interface files branch as well
2020-03-13 15:00:02	mpickering	which will reduce memory
2020-03-13 15:02:10	mpickering	but I am waiting for that patch to get merged
2020-03-13 15:02:18	mpickering	and then I also need to rebase my object files patch onto that
2020-03-13 15:02:35	mpickering	So the sequence is Interface files -> Object files -> Multi-component
2020-03-13 15:03:55	mpickering	I am not sure why the interface files patch is not getting merged already
2020-03-13 15:03:57	mpickering	we worked on it a lot
2020-03-13 15:04:54	mpickering	and anyone opening more than 100 modules surely must think ghcide uses a lot of memory
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2020-03-13 15:09:32	jneira_	sounds good
2020-03-13 15:17:42	mpickering	Nearly finished my reflex work as well
2020-03-13 15:17:49	mpickering	so I will be mentally free to get back to useful stuff
2020-03-13 15:39:41	jneira_	how could i run ghcide with shake-profiling in lsp mode?
2020-03-13 15:45:44	jneira_	cocreature ^^
2020-03-13 15:46:42	jneira_	i am using a script to start it with `--shake-profiling dir` and it works without `--lsp` but only writes the report at end
2020-03-13 15:50:11	jneira_	with `--lsp` the report is not generated, killing the process or give it bad input in the cli
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2020-03-13 16:24:58	mpickering	The reports are generated for me normally with lsp mode
2020-03-13 16:34:04	cocreature	yeah ime that just works
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2020-03-13 17:20:18	jneira_	mmm maybe it is a windows specific issue then
2020-03-13 17:20:51	jneira_	the report is generated even if you kill the process (the unique way when it is in lsp mode, no)?
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2020-03-13 18:10:39	mpickering	there is a report for each request
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2020-03-13 18:18:06	jneira_	ok, thanks
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2020-03-13 19:40:55	mpickering	Managed to somewhat fix the performance now, time for a haircut
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2020-03-13 23:31:48	jneira	spain government has declared the alarm status, this weeekend they are gonna block the city where i work
2020-03-13 23:31:55	jneira	weird times
2020-03-13 23:34:10	jneira	sorry for the offtopic :-)
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2020-03-14 00:00:55	alanz	jneira, np
2020-03-14 00:01:13	alanz	we are all in weird space now
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2020-03-14 00:40:50	alanz	jneira, we need one of these for hie: https://gitpod.io/#https://github.com/erlang-ls/erlang_ls
2020-03-14 00:41:08	alanz	perhaps based on https://github.com/hmemcpy/haskell-hie-devcontainer
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2020-03-14 01:02:40	 *	jneira taking a look
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2020-03-14 21:17:00	alanz	I am coming to the conclusion that to make sure we get/maintain momentum hls is going to have to have a log-running ghcide fork
2020-03-14 21:17:12	alanz	until we have clarity of what we actually need
2020-03-14 21:17:42	alanz	and the initial features will be the plugin changes I am wanting to merge, and the multi-component stuff
2020-03-14 21:18:08	alanz	This thing has to get to dogfoodable state, those are the minimums, from my perspective
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2020-03-14 23:10:11	jneira	alanz :+1:
2020-03-14 23:10:57	alanz	jneira, my current plan is to finishe the completion stuff in my plugins branch, merge it, then focus on the real world use case
2020-03-14 23:11:15	alanz	The sooner this becomes a working thing in use the better
2020-03-14 23:11:45	alanz	and tbh knowing that inter-module go to definition is in hls, really wants me to get it done
2020-03-14 23:21:01	jneira	Sounds good to me
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2020-03-15 16:47:34	Guillelm	morning, is there a command to install haskell-language-server on nixos, to start interacting with the codebase?
2020-03-15 16:48:49	alanz	Guillelm, not to my knowledge. You should be able to base something from the all-hies repo though
2020-03-15 16:49:29	Guillelm	thanks alanz, will look into it
2020-03-15 16:50:07	alanz	if you succeed, please make a PR for the README on haskell-language-server.
2020-03-15 16:50:20	alanz	however haphazard it might be
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2020-03-15 17:58:33	alanz	fendor_, jneira is there a reason we do not cache ~/.cabal on the circleci builds?
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2020-03-15 18:26:50	jneira	alanz: no idea for circleci, in azure we are caching it
2020-03-15 18:27:49	jneira	mmm maybe cause the executables are inside .cabal/bin (including hie itself)?
2020-03-15 18:31:41	jneira	in azure i had to add a `echo "overwrite-policy: always" >> $HOME/.cabal/config`
2020-03-15 18:32:05	jneira	(to avoid add it to each call)
2020-03-15 18:34:54	alanz	ok, interesting. We should probably do the same for circleci then
2020-03-15 18:37:35	jneira	:+1:
2020-03-15 18:38:26	alanz	in other news, I am going to be merging the hls plugin branch real soon now
2020-03-15 18:38:39	alanz	and then focus on ghcide multi for hls
2020-03-15 18:39:07	alanz	probably by attempting to rebase mpickering's branch onto my current ghcide PR
2020-03-15 18:39:19	jneira	i am taking a look to code changes
2020-03-15 18:39:20	alanz	which is just sitting there, a week later
2020-03-15 18:40:51	alanz	cocreature, do you think we should try to set up a coordination group call some time around ghcide/hls?
2020-03-15 18:41:24	alanz	or set up some sort of "top level" project coordination
2020-03-15 18:42:12	alanz	because right now it is not clear to me what the dependencies are, which are causing things to be stalling. I suspect it is pepe's branch
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2020-03-15 20:26:51	cocreature	alanz: I’m hoping to find some time next week to catch up on PRs. I’ve been a bit swamped recently. but tbf apart from the interface file PR I think I’ve still gotten to all PRs within two weeks so I’m not sure it’s really stalled
2020-03-15 20:27:19	alanz	cocreature, ok, thanks
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2020-03-16 03:57:46	alanz	mpickering, I am trying to get the tests to pass on your wip/multi branch. And I think it is too fast, so no progress reports get generated :)
2020-03-16 03:59:53	alanz	yep, if I set the delay in lspShakeProgress to 0 then more tests pass.
2020-03-16 04:11:25	mpickering	I never tried the tests
2020-03-16 04:11:30	mpickering	I will work on the branch more this week
2020-03-16 04:12:27	alanz	mpickering, sounds good. I am familiarising myself with it, following roughly the following plan
2020-03-16 04:12:52	alanz	a) squash it down to one commit, b) get the tests to pass c) rebase onto something appropriate
2020-03-16 04:19:13	alanz	mpickering, one test case that fails is module A in VFS only, imported by module B, also in VFS only. Your thing only picks it up once it is a file on the filesystem
2020-03-16 04:19:23	alanz	the deferral tests
2020-03-16 04:19:51	alanz	which I can reproduce running it under emacs
2020-03-16 04:20:27	mpickering	So how does it fail?
2020-03-16 04:21:08	alanz	module B does not find module A (which it imports) until it is saved
2020-03-16 04:22:25	alanz	https://gist.github.com/alanz/e992ae9881b76fe79c50abb287c363ab
2020-03-16 04:23:25	alanz	you can reproduce it by creating a module A in your ide, but not saving it, then creating a module B in your ide that imports A. Don't save either of them. It fails with import not found, until you save A.hs
2020-03-16 04:24:20	alanz	This: https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/blob/master/test/exe/Main.hs#L200-L214
2020-03-16 04:24:50	alanz	gives the contents for A.hs and B.hs, opens them one after the other (VFS only) and gets that error I pasted in the gist
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2020-03-17 00:09:46	mpickering	https://mpickering.github.io/posts/2020-03-16-ghcide-reflex.html
2020-03-17 00:11:32	alanz	wow
2020-03-17 00:14:45	mpickering	now I am done with this, I can get back to multi-cradle
2020-03-17 00:15:15	alanz	great
2020-03-17 00:15:42	alanz	Where do you see things going from here? seems we are getting multiple backend possibilities
2020-03-17 00:16:20	mpickering	Depends if anyone else feels the need for this like I do
2020-03-17 00:16:32	mpickering	personally I find ghcide too slow when working on GHC, so I implemented this
2020-03-17 00:17:09	alanz	ok. So perhaps we end up with pluggable backends.
2020-03-17 00:17:26	alanz	I still want to interpose my own layer in the middle, to mediate the problems you are having
2020-03-17 00:17:41	alanz	reaction time is important
2020-03-17 00:17:46	alanz	accuracy less so
2020-03-17 00:18:16	alanz	in the sense that waiting a second if you care for accuracy is ok, but not when it interrupts the fluidity of the process
2020-03-17 00:18:33	alanz	And that is what I want to experiment with.
2020-03-17 00:18:50	alanz	But only once we actually have something for hls, which is coming close
2020-03-17 00:19:32	mpickering	I had to rewrite quite a lot of ghcide in the end but perhaps it would be possible to bring them closer together again
2020-03-17 00:22:10	alanz	I will be interested to see how the take-up is. And I need to play with it myself too.
2020-03-17 00:23:58	fendor	wow, that looks cool.
2020-03-17 00:23:59	alanz	it is a shortcoming ndm identified
2020-03-17 00:25:37	alanz	mpickering, does the reflex branch support multi-component
2020-03-17 00:25:42	mpickering	No
2020-03-17 00:25:44	 *	alanz feels like he is trolling
2020-03-17 00:25:48	mpickering	it's based on the interface files branch lol
2020-03-17 00:25:58	alanz	I was pretty sure that was the case, just checking
2020-03-17 00:26:13	mpickering	I need multi-branch support, not multiple component
2020-03-17 00:26:39	alanz	ok, that is a big-codebase requirement in general
2020-03-17 00:26:52	alanz	Store md5sums of the files, check for changes
2020-03-17 00:27:06	 *	alanz food time
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2020-03-17 02:25:39	alanz	https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/fjps2j/retrie_a_powerful_easytouse_codemodding_tool_for/
2020-03-17 02:25:45	alanz	built on ghc-exactprint
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2020-03-17 04:46:15	alanz	so, plugins just landed on hls master. FWIW
2020-03-17 04:48:56	fendor	yeah, nice! 
2020-03-17 04:50:30	alanz	we should be able to start migrating the rest of the hie plugins now
2020-03-17 04:50:43	alanz	and/or packaging the ghcide ones as part of this
2020-03-17 04:51:09	alanz	fendor, btw, do you need some input on a GSOC draft?
2020-03-17 04:51:28	alanz	I think they have to be in by the end of the week?
2020-03-17 04:52:00	alanz	and anyone else contemplating GSOC. A good way to spend the self-isolation time
2020-03-17 04:59:49	fendor	by the end of next week, I think
2020-03-17 05:00:11	fendor	yeah, but tomorrow suits me better. I talked with mpickering about a possible project
2020-03-17 05:00:23	fendor	and would like to discuss it with you tomorrow
2020-03-17 05:00:55	alanz	with pleasure, whenever suits you. you may have to ping me. I do have something on in the morning.
2020-03-17 05:01:08	alanz	but afternoon/evening is good
2020-03-17 05:02:31	alanz	31 March is the deadline. So not a massive rush
2020-03-17 05:06:28	fendor	thank you! will ping you tomorrow
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2020-03-17 13:48:38	jophish	mpickering: thanks for writing about the reflex client! 
2020-03-17 13:48:59	jophish	Server*
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2020-03-17 13:52:46	jophish	For progress reporting I guess you could fall back to not including a percentage in the message, the spec says that's for progress where the end is not known which seems it fit (although is a bit disappointing) 
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2020-03-17 14:10:10	mpickering	jophish: I am unsure how to even get this information from reflex
2020-03-17 14:13:07	jophish	Not sure I understand; just have a unit action after compiling a module which spits a workDoneProgress message with the module name, right? 
2020-03-17 14:14:08	mpickering	oh right
2020-03-17 14:14:14	jophish	Ah, but that would report after the module is loaded, 
2020-03-17 14:14:17	mpickering	You mean including no numbers at all
2020-03-17 14:14:31	jophish	Yeah, it's allowed and better than nothing
2020-03-17 14:14:32	mpickering	It would still be useful so you could see something was happening
2020-03-17 14:15:31	jophish	You could also remember how long a similar update took last time and assume it's the same, it's not perfect but it might work for most cases
2020-03-17 14:16:04	jophish	AFAIK this is what the loading bar does when OS X boots, it just scrolls along for the amount of time the previous boot took 
2020-03-17 14:16:31	mpickering	not sure how to measure reliably when the changes finish 
2020-03-17 14:19:56	mpickering	I want a hook in reflex really which reports how many events it has to process
2020-03-17 14:20:00	mpickering	this is how shake does it I think
2020-03-17 14:20:15	jophish	But that's unknowable right, especially with the early cutoff
2020-03-17 14:20:30	mpickering	Depends what you want to know
2020-03-17 14:20:39	mpickering	but I mean just the current number
2020-03-17 14:20:43	mpickering	rather than the total number
2020-03-17 14:20:44	jophish	You could measure the time from impulse to idle. If idle is well defined
2020-03-17 14:21:50	jophish	The build system Bazel when compiling code displays progress as a fraction "done / todo" where both done and todo increase during the build
2020-03-17 14:22:00	mpickering	yeah like that
2020-03-17 14:22:05	mpickering	ghcide does the same thing now
2020-03-17 14:22:06	jophish	Problem is that the lsp spec insists that the percentage values are monotonic 
2020-03-17 14:22:27	mpickering	I think shake may just report in plain-text rather than using the percentage indicator
2020-03-17 14:22:38	jophish	Ah, that's a good idea
2020-03-17 14:23:01	jophish	I can't imagine a client which wouldn't deal with a non-monotonic percentage though
2020-03-17 14:24:20	jophish	Sounds like you'd need to reify the reflex graph though to query stuff like that, and I don't think reflex does well at that
2020-03-17 14:24:50	mpickering	I think there is somewhere I can add a hook
2020-03-17 14:24:52	jophish	Perhaps you could maintain a dummy graph on the side with the same topology for querying this kind of stuff, but that seems really gross
2020-03-17 14:25:32	mpickering	https://github.com/reflex-frp/reflex/blob/develop/src/Reflex/Spider/Internal.hs#L1279
2020-03-17 14:26:26	jophish	Ah, that would be sufficient to do the bazel/ghcide style reporting
2020-03-17 14:27:18	jophish	But would it be satisfying for the human or would the "todo" denominator always be too close to the "done" numerator?
2020-03-17 14:27:56	jophish	The bigger the branching factor the better here I suppose
2020-03-17 14:28:55	mpickering	not sure there is much choice, unless you can predict how much firing each event will cause to happen
2020-03-17 14:29:01	mpickering	which is not very well defined 
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2020-03-17 14:40:04	jneira	progress reporting is the other big problem of cs :-D
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2020-03-17 14:40:40	jneira	windows finally has to report a graphic showing the acceleration/deccleration of file copying :-P
2020-03-17 14:40:57	jneira	and it knows the final size of the file!
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2020-03-17 22:53:41	fendor	alanz, ping
2020-03-17 22:54:38	alanz	fendor, pong
2020-03-17 22:54:47	fendor	hi! 
2020-03-17 22:55:21	fendor	I talked to matt yesterday and he suggested to work on https://github.com/ghc-proposals/ghc-proposals/pull/263
2020-03-17 22:56:13	 *	alanz looking
2020-03-17 22:56:27	fendor	while it looks a bit intimidating, I see the value for IDEs and think it might be a good idea and it looks interesting as well
2020-03-17 22:57:42	fendor	what is your opinion? 
2020-03-17 22:58:39	alanz	at the end of the day it is your decision. I am still looking at the proposal
2020-03-17 23:00:03	alanz	definitely something that will make the IDE space a lot better in future
2020-03-17 23:00:59	alanz	and the more IDE support ends up upstream in GHC the better
2020-03-17 23:01:14	fendor	yeah, and it would make it easier for HaRe, too, right?
2020-03-17 23:01:33	alanz	the whole tooling ecosystem :)
2020-03-17 23:01:52	fendor	so, do you think that is a nice idea? Or were you rather hoping for work benefitting hls directly?
2020-03-17 23:02:03	alanz	hare right now is blocked on not being able to get a view of the structure of a given project
2020-03-17 23:02:47	alanz	I think there is plenty to do on hls, but it is going to be lots of detail work, polishing, carrying something over.
2020-03-17 23:03:07	alanz	This is a meaningful task that has a definite use.
2020-03-17 23:03:32	alanz	and given you can devote yourself full time to it for months, you are likely to get it done or substantially done.
2020-03-17 23:03:39	alanz	so it is probably a better thing to tackle
2020-03-17 23:04:15	alanz	but it is your call. HLS is also at an exciting stage, yes, lots of fiddling, but going through a process of coming alive
2020-03-17 23:05:05	fendor	I think, I like the idea, improving the ecosystem as a whole. I am not sure though, if this work is enough, since there is a pr already that does a lot
2020-03-17 23:06:07	fendor	or at least some part
2020-03-17 23:06:15	alanz	well, GHC work tends to take more time than you realise. And there is always hls to polish
2020-03-17 23:06:54	alanz	and I am sure we can find some other GHC improvements you can put into the API, as stretch goals
2020-03-17 23:07:17	alanz	I think moving some of the stuff from ghcide, which they layer over GHC. 
2020-03-17 23:07:29	alanz	more properly belongs in ghc
2020-03-17 23:07:31	fendor	I assume landing changes and verifying changes has a long review cycle, e.g. after I think the pr is done, it takes a few days before reviews come in, etc...
2020-03-17 23:08:04	alanz	it does not have to be too long, if you have reviewers queued up to pay attention.
2020-03-17 23:08:17	alanz	And you can work on a branch so long, rebase from time to time
2020-03-17 23:08:32	alanz	and you can use hls on it too, so dogfood that :)
2020-03-17 23:08:47	alanz	or ghcide anyway, accordinf to mpickering and co
2020-03-17 23:09:41	fendor	yeah that will make the code exploration process way smoother
2020-03-17 23:10:13	fendor	I remember while working on Cabal when mpickering show cased his hie-bios branch the first time and I was able to load Cabal into hie :O
2020-03-17 23:11:20	fendor	ok, so you are in favour of that idea, too, and you would still mentor? I should get going with the proposal, then
2020-03-17 23:12:13	alanz	yes, I am in favour
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2020-03-18 16:47:10	mpickering	My mind has been ruined by reflex and now I can't think how to implement things in shake :(
2020-03-18 16:58:49	mpickering	cocreature: Could we have a call about multi-component some time soon?
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2020-03-18 17:22:37	cocreature	mpickering: probably not this week but early next week should hopefully work
2020-03-18 17:22:51	mpickering	thanks
2020-03-18 20:16:42	mpickering	Managed to load GHC into the multi-component branch
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2020-03-18 23:23:36	alanz	mpickering, nice
2020-03-18 23:24:45	alanz	mpickering, cocreature how closed is the multi-component call going to be? I would like to sit in, if possible. Even if just to get my head around your guys thinking
2020-03-18 23:26:07	cocreature	dunno, I know nothing more about it apart from the brief conversation above so from my side I’m happy for others to join (within a reasonable limit, conversations with 10 people rarely turn out useful ime)
2020-03-18 23:26:54	mpickering	I want to discuss the implementation really
2020-03-18 23:27:19	mpickering	as I can't think how to integrate the dependency reloading part easily
2020-03-18 23:29:24	alanz	well, count me in if possible, as I said, more to learn than contribute.
2020-03-18 23:31:10	mpickering	ok I'll have to upgrade my normal method of calling people, which involves a telephone haha
2020-03-18 23:33:43	alanz	zoom is the new goodness I am told
2020-03-18 23:34:21	cocreature	at least it mostly works which is more than you can say about a lot of other video conference tools :)
2020-03-18 23:34:59	alanz	that is what I have heard. zoom today is like skype was when it first came out. It just works, on anything, with any network
2020-03-18 23:35:26	mpickering	just like a telephone
2020-03-18 23:35:29	mpickering	good to know
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2020-03-18 23:36:45	alanz	mpickering, good to see your rebase of multi, I think I will start experimenting with is as a base for hls now
2020-03-18 23:38:46	mpickering	good to hear
2020-03-18 23:38:53	mpickering	Would be good to get it robustly tested by day-to-day users
2020-03-18 23:39:37	mpickering	I am sure there are subtle issues
2020-03-18 23:40:48	alanz	I am sure too. Was originally going to try to get the tests working then rebase, will now just go for broke
2020-03-18 23:41:08	alanz	can see quicker what works and doesn't if it is live, then circle back to tests
2020-03-18 23:43:42	mpickering	Do the tests take a long time to run usually?
2020-03-18 23:43:47	mpickering	10 minutes at least for me
2020-03-18 23:46:55	alanz	the ghcide ones? they do run a long time. Not as much as ten mins, but long.
2020-03-18 23:47:08	alanz	Which is why filtering them out to failed on rerun is important
2020-03-18 23:47:36	alanz	https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/pull/484
2020-03-18 23:47:46	alanz	which you just missed in your rebase
2020-03-18 23:50:35	mpickering	The multi component changes are nearly completely restricted to exe/Main.hs
2020-03-18 23:53:04	alanz	which makes sense, it is setting up the context
2020-03-18 23:53:53	alanz	and in time I would like to see most of the stuff from the exe dir migrating elsewhere, as it is shared between ghcide and hls
2020-03-19 00:06:55	alanz	mpickering, fyi your wip/multi-rebase branch rebases cleanly only current master
2020-03-19 00:07:24	mpickering	that;s good
2020-03-19 00:07:31	mpickering	I actually rebased it onto pepe's branch
2020-03-19 00:07:37	mpickering	which is why it's 2 commits behind
2020-03-19 00:08:08	alanz	I just pushed my rebase. alanz/multi-az
2020-03-19 00:08:34	alanz	https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/network
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2020-03-19 00:13:15	fendor	I used wip/multi as a daily driver on windows and linux for roughly a week and it was rock-solid so far. Can not complain about a single issue so far
2020-03-19 00:13:30	fendor	going to install the rebased version right now
2020-03-19 00:14:05	mpickering	which projects?
2020-03-19 00:14:49	fendor	haskell-ide-engine, ghcide and custom which are admittedly simple
2020-03-19 00:15:07	fendor	I have yet to test it on Cabal and groundhog
2020-03-19 00:15:17	fendor	CPP stuff didnt kill it either, iirc
2020-03-19 00:17:30	mpickering	Good data point thanks
2020-03-19 00:21:51	fendor	ok, the new rebased stuff does have a problem. Hover takes like 10s and seems to recompile the project for each hover
2020-03-19 00:22:21	fendor	let's say 5s, but still
2020-03-19 00:23:28	mpickering	Which project?
2020-03-19 00:23:44	fendor	just some very trivial project in the library component. In this case, it contains TH and CPP
2020-03-19 00:23:53	fendor	Reducing it right now to see if the problem persists
2020-03-19 00:24:01	mpickering	Is it calling cabal each time?
2020-03-19 00:24:05	mpickering	If so, that's bad
2020-03-19 00:24:09	fendor	yeah
2020-03-19 00:24:13	mpickering	do you have a hie.yaml?
2020-03-19 00:24:25	fendor	"selling out to cabal" 37 times
2020-03-19 00:24:26	fendor	no
2020-03-19 00:24:40	mpickering	so which cradle is it using?
2020-03-19 00:24:50	fendor	I think cabal
2020-03-19 00:25:25	fendor	lemme try again, maybe I broke my system
2020-03-19 00:26:21	fendor	it seems to only happen when you dont have a hie.yaml
2020-03-19 00:26:33	fendor	e.g. it reloads for each hover request if there is no hie.yaml
2020-03-19 00:26:40	fendor	with hie.yaml, everything works fine
2020-03-19 00:27:57	fendor	seems to use a stack cradle
2020-03-19 00:28:11	fendor	judging by the component dependencies
2020-03-19 00:28:26	fendor	and the component option paths containing `.stack-work`
2020-03-19 00:29:25	fendor	yeah, with a explicit hie.yaml `echo "cradle: { stack: {}}" > hie.yaml`, hover recompiles the project
2020-03-19 00:30:27	fendor	btw, simple th does work in the branch
2020-03-19 00:30:42	mpickering	I would expect everything to work :) 
2020-03-19 00:30:50	mpickering	a stack problem, ok
2020-03-19 00:30:53	mpickering	I will fix it later haha
2020-03-19 00:31:03	mpickering	If you can paste the flags into an issue that will be useful
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2020-03-19 00:31:53	fendor	sure, should I paste the whole output in an issue at mpickering/ghcide? Or the main repo?
2020-03-19 00:32:03	mpickering	You can post it on the PR
2020-03-19 00:32:10	mpickering	then other people know it's broken
2020-03-19 00:32:14	mpickering	most people seem to be using cabal though
2020-03-19 00:32:16	mpickering	which is what I test with
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2020-03-19 00:32:46	fendor	Judging by the amount of issues we got at hie and the amount of questions I see on discord, stack is definitely used quite often
2020-03-19 00:33:09	mpickering	*most people who dare to try my branches
2020-03-19 00:34:23	fendor	ah wait, I think the issue is related to TH and you are not claiming that TH should work in this branch right?
2020-03-19 00:34:37	fendor	if I remove TH stuff, everything works as expected
2020-03-19 00:35:16	mpickering	If you are using TH then try the object files branch
2020-03-19 00:35:20	mpickering	that will work much better I think
2020-03-19 00:36:10	fendor	but it does not need to work, right? so it is fine, should I still report?
2020-03-19 00:37:42	mpickering	sure
2020-03-19 01:03:11	mpickering	fendor: Does stack not return any targets?
2020-03-19 01:07:15	fendor	there are three targets in the ghci-script, so I think it does
2020-03-19 01:10:24	fendor	mpickering, also it works without the import of Paths_package, so maybe ghcide detects changes in the object files, or something?
2020-03-19 01:21:20	alanz	get it while its hot: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-language-server/tree/multi-experimental
2020-03-19 01:21:55	alanz	tested with a cabal single component project, does actually load and do what seems to be correct
2020-03-19 01:23:50	mpickering	fendor: and is Paths_package one of the targets?
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2020-03-19 01:24:05	fendor	no
2020-03-19 01:24:24	mpickering	well.. that would be why
2020-03-19 01:24:44	mpickering	perhaps a bug in stack to not list it as a target
2020-03-19 01:25:46	fendor	hm, yeah could make sense
2020-03-19 01:26:48	fendor	and cabal lists it as a target
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2020-03-19 04:43:22	alanz	So, with https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/58 and https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/57 I think we might be getting to a usable hls
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2020-03-19 05:09:58	alanz	plugin architecture discussion : https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/issues/491
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2020-03-19 06:08:57	jneira	in general, order of plugins application could change the output?
2020-03-19 06:09:33	jneira	should we let plugins access (and transform) the result of previous plugins?
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2020-03-19 14:09:43	alanz	jneira_[m], I would say a given plugin should be unaware of other plugins. You need to be able to mix and match them. Otherwise they are not plugins
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2020-03-19 15:53:28	akghdlgfnj	Hi everybody. I'm looking for the documentation of how to write a cradle file. Do you have any links ?
2020-03-19 16:12:46	fendor	akghdlgfnj, documentation is a bit sparse, but here is the main documentation https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/
2020-03-19 16:16:28	akghdlgfnj	Thanks !
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2020-03-19 17:48:39	lukelau	alanz: ping
2020-03-19 17:50:01	alanz	lukelau, pong
2020-03-19 17:50:28	alanz	been wondering how you are doing. Are you going to be able to complete your studies this year?
2020-03-19 17:50:30	lukelau	hi, just wanted to see what’s up with hls
2020-03-19 17:50:45	alanz	hls is starting to get some momentum, I think
2020-03-19 17:50:47	lukelau	alanz: yeah its a bit all over the show currently, hopefully I’ll be able to finish everything
2020-03-19 17:51:03	lukelau	the past two weeks have been nuts since my university went into shutdown
2020-03-19 17:51:28	lukelau	but I was living on the campus, and two days ago we were all forced to leave
2020-03-19 17:52:23	alanz	ouch. So where are you now? back home?
2020-03-19 17:52:25	lukelau	on the bright side, i can just send a pdf of my dissertation instead of printing it so that will save me some money
2020-03-19 17:52:34	alanz	and trees
2020-03-19 17:53:08	lukelau	yeah, back in Northern Ireland for now, doing a lot of e-meetings. I hear London is still operating as normal more or less?
2020-03-19 17:53:46	alanz	well, they are finally starting to ramp up measures. Schools closing tomorrow, transport being reduced
2020-03-19 17:53:59	alanz	They still need to officially close pubs etc
2020-03-19 17:54:35	lukelau	Yeah. It was nice to see the pubs take responsibility and close on st patricks day here in Ireland
2020-03-19 17:54:49	lukelau	Very eery sight though, a st patricks day in dublin with no pubs open
2020-03-19 17:54:52	lukelau	*eerie
2020-03-19 17:55:25	lukelau	anyway what’s the current story with the testing on hls?
2020-03-19 17:55:33	alanz	I can imagine. But better than the scenes I have seen of mad revellers.
2020-03-19 17:55:53	alanz	testing sort of works, but I hit a problem with the formatting and lsp-test
2020-03-19 17:56:09	lukelau	is that what the custom message was for?
2020-03-19 17:56:23	alanz	if I run a scenario in my ide (vscode) I can get expected results
2020-03-19 17:56:52	alanz	but via lsp-test there is extra stuff in the vfs doc. So apply edit might be working wrong, or generated wrong.
2020-03-19 17:57:14	alanz	The custom message was for a test failing on circle but not locally
2020-03-19 17:57:29	lukelau	yeah, i think there is an extra layer, I can’t exactly remember what its for
2020-03-19 17:57:36	alanz	and being able to find the place in the test log that applies to the specific test
2020-03-19 17:57:37	lukelau	But I remember it being important
2020-03-19 17:57:54	lukelau	I’ll create an issue for this in lsp-test?
2020-03-19 17:58:13	lukelau	Is there a link for the failing circleci run
2020-03-19 18:00:09	alanz	those are two separate issues. I sorted out the one I needed to mark, it was waiting for the wrong diagnostics, they were coming out in random order
2020-03-19 18:00:20	alanz	now I wait for the specific GHC ones, and it is solid.
2020-03-19 18:00:58	alanz	The applyedit one is marked pendingWith in the test file, if you comment out that line it will run and exhibit the problem. In hls
2020-03-19 18:01:05	alanz	in two placs
2020-03-19 18:01:07	alanz	places
2020-03-19 18:01:17	lukelau	Did you use the waitForDiagnosticsSource function?
2020-03-19 18:01:48	lukelau	ok, I’ll take a look at that
2020-03-19 18:02:39	lukelau	wow 455 stars already on hls?
2020-03-19 18:02:49	lukelau	thats great to see
2020-03-19 18:05:44	alanz	lukelau, I ended up using waitForDiagnosticSource to fix the one problem
2020-03-19 18:06:01	alanz	but I think the other is in lsp-test.
2020-03-19 18:06:11	alanz	or we are generating bad edits
2020-03-19 18:06:32	lukelau	yeah, i wouldnt be surprised if lsp-test was doing something funky with the VFS
2020-03-19 18:07:44	alanz	I think it is to do with not keeping track of the range of a file. Applying two edits in a row, it seems the second edit is applied as if the first had not been, or against the range from the original. It is a replace operation
2020-03-19 18:14:05	lukelau	Just peeking in at lsp-test, it calls into https://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-lsp-0.20.0.1/docs/Language-Haskell-LSP-VFS.html#v:changeFromServerVFS but then does a bunch of stuff to update the versions of each document, not sure why though
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2020-03-20 13:43:33	ptival[m]	I know it's not quite ready for consumption, but I can't get haskell-language-server to load my GHC sessions, under Nix. I'm in a directory where running `cabal v1-repl` or `cabal v2-repl` manually works, but `haskell-language-server` fails at:Step 4/6, Cradle 1/1: Loading GHC Session
2020-03-20 13:43:33	ptival[m]	haskell-language-server: <command line>: cannot satisfy -package-id GraphSCC-1.0.4-Lk1VL9u0FOmGbyfcSR5nIy
2020-03-20 13:44:55	ptival[m]	does `hie.yaml` even let you specify which type of cabal you'd want it to use? I don't think guessing based on the presense of a `cabal.project` is ideal, since there are projects shared among users of both styles
2020-03-20 13:46:51	mpickering	ptival[m]: Only v2 is supported
2020-03-20 13:47:11	mpickering	And it sounds like either 1. You are not running ghcide in the right nix-shell
2020-03-20 13:47:18	mpickering	or 2. You have compiled it for the wrong GHC version
2020-03-20 13:48:36	ptival[m]	@mpi
2020-03-20 13:48:47	ptival[m]	 * mpickering: thanks, good to know for 1., and will look into 2.
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2020-03-21 17:23:16	alanz	mpickering, what is the state of your multi? I see you have wip/multi-rebase and wip/object-files built from it. Can I play with the latter, or better with the earlier one?
2020-03-21 17:23:33	mpickering	wip/object-files will be slower
2020-03-21 17:23:41	mpickering	as it builds object files whenever it typechecks a module
2020-03-21 17:23:51	alanz	so that TH can work?
2020-03-21 17:23:53	mpickering	I would use wip/multi-rebase
2020-03-21 17:24:00	mpickering	so that TH can work without using all your memory
2020-03-21 17:24:06	alanz	ok.
2020-03-21 17:24:27	alanz	I am planning on rebasing it on top of pepe's current, and then using it in hls
2020-03-21 17:24:42	alanz	with a view to switching to that as my day-to-day lsp
2020-03-21 17:24:56	mpickering	If there are problems then write them on the PR
2020-03-21 17:25:03	mpickering	and I will fix them all when I next come round to working on this
2020-03-21 17:25:13	alanz	ok. Figure I may as well dog-food this stuff.
2020-03-21 17:25:22	alanz	Are you focusing in reflex atm?
2020-03-21 17:25:33	mpickering	no, that is done
2020-03-21 17:25:35	mpickering	for now
2020-03-21 17:25:43	alanz	ok
2020-03-21 17:25:52	mpickering	I need to go back to writing my phd haha
2020-03-21 17:26:04	alanz	I was wondering about that
2020-03-21 17:28:28	mpickering	I was also trying the multi-component stuff on GHC
2020-03-21 17:28:45	mpickering	which works reasonably well but I really wanted to be able to load ghc and haddock in the same session
2020-03-21 17:28:50	mpickering	which doesn't work 
2020-03-21 17:29:07	mpickering	because hadrian will try and build the whole of GHC before giving you the options for haddock
2020-03-21 17:29:35	alanz	yes, I think ghc is an unusual case in general
2020-03-21 17:29:54	alanz	as you are using the product of one part to build another part. 
2020-03-21 17:31:08	mpickering	well that wasn't what I was trying to do
2020-03-21 17:31:27	mpickering	as haddock is built using the stage1 compiler, so you could load the compile component and haddock into the same session
2020-03-21 17:31:39	mpickering	I just ran out of motivation for now to try to prevent hadrian building too much stuff
2020-03-21 17:33:21	mpickering	but this kind of stuff will be solved by fendor making GHC itself work with multiple components
2020-03-21 17:33:37	fendor	mpickering, writing the proposal right now
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2020-03-21 17:36:51	mpickering	ok, sounds good
2020-03-21 17:36:59	mpickering	I can give you more specific stuff about implementation challenges if you like
2020-03-21 17:38:56	fendor	sure, that would be great! I am currently reading old proposals and the examples on how to structure them
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2020-03-21 18:13:33	alanz	it is amazing how much simpler a rebase can be if you squash everything to one commit first
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2020-03-21 18:15:27	mpickering	fendor: So if you look at the multi-component branch you will see that we force all the modules to have the same unit-id even if they come from different components
2020-03-21 18:15:49	mpickering	this is because in GHC there are quite a few places which confuse a module being in the HPT with having the same unit id as the package currently being compiled
2020-03-21 18:15:52	mpickering	I imagine you will have to fix this
2020-03-21 18:16:10	fendor	what is the HPT?
2020-03-21 18:16:14	mpickering	Home package table
2020-03-21 18:16:32	mpickering	It is all the modules which are part of the package currently being compiled
2020-03-21 18:16:36	mpickering	rather than dependencies 
2020-03-21 18:16:38	mpickering	dependencies live in the EPS
2020-03-21 18:18:50	fendor	ok
2020-03-21 18:20:04	mpickering	You get very confusing errors about missing instances if you get this bit wrong
2020-03-21 18:21:42	fendor	is that the bit already started in https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/935? Extending HscEnv to have a map from UnitId -> (HPT, DynFlags)
2020-03-21 18:22:52	alanz	haskell-lsp-(types)-0.21 published
2020-03-21 18:39:32	ptival[m]	alanz: do you have an emacs equivalent of `lsp-haskell` for `language-haskell-server` out there yet? or is there any quick hack to substitute it for `hie-wrapper`?
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2020-03-21 18:45:16	alanz	ptival[m], I just set lsp-haskell-process-path-hie to haskell-language-server via customize
2020-03-21 18:49:18	ptival[m]	thanks!
2020-03-21 18:54:14	alanz	its not ready for prime time, so keep your expectations low
2020-03-21 19:10:32	mpickering	or even better, just fix anything you find is broken
2020-03-21 19:20:02	alanz	:)
2020-03-21 19:20:07	alanz	*just*
2020-03-21 19:22:24	mpickering	Works for me...
2020-03-21 19:28:51	ptival[m]	haha, I'll definitely bring it up, and maybe have a hand at debugging/fixing :)
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2020-03-21 19:48:21	ptival[m]	ok, for now I'm hacking lsp-haskell-process-args-hie to be ("--cwd" "lib") and it launches correctly, but it does not seem to give me error messages, I think the regular haskell mode is intereferring...
2020-03-21 19:48:30	ptival[m]	I'm getting haskell-stack-ghc messages, annoying
2020-03-21 19:51:49	ptival[m]	I can `flycheck-select-checker` and pick `lsp` here, but it does not seem to give errors, even though it is running, since I see a bunch of [INFO] Hover requests, and [DEBUG] Starting/Finishing shakeRun :)
2020-03-21 19:56:49	alanz	ptival[m], to be on the safe side, make sure you have a hie.yaml file set up.
2020-03-21 19:57:23	alanz	and I am now running https://github.com/alanz/haskell-language-server/tree/multi-experimental
2020-03-21 19:57:26	ptival[m]	I do (one with stack)
2020-03-21 19:57:46	alanz	my understanding is that stack is the poor cousing in the current setup
2020-03-21 19:58:09	ptival[m]	ok, will try the cabal setup then!
2020-03-21 19:59:54	ptival[m]	annoyingly, it seems that the component syntax for stack and cabal is not the same :)
2020-03-21 20:00:46	alanz	I know. There is an issue for that
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2020-03-21 21:01:28	tommd	Are haskell-language-server pragma supposed to work at this point?
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2020-03-21 21:08:24	tommd	Are haskell-language-server pragma supposed to work at this point?
2020-03-21 21:10:22	alanz	tommd, theoretically, but no guarantees
2020-03-21 21:12:54	tommd	Thanks @alanz.  I'm trying to figure out why a trivial example isn't working and use this as a point to start understanding the code base a bit.
2020-03-21 21:16:08	alanz	I do suggest using a hie.yaml file, and cabal as the build type
2020-03-21 21:16:18	alanz	it is a more tested setup at this point
2020-03-21 21:17:46	tommd	And your opinion of `direct` is... not the most direct and supported path?
2020-03-21 21:21:15	alanz	well, basically use hie.yaml and not stack
2020-03-21 21:21:36	alanz	I think direct is pretty solid, but it will bypass any pragmas you specify in a cabal file
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2020-03-21 21:25:25	tommd	That makes sense.  Am exploring with a one-file cabal and trying to get code actions goig.
2020-03-21 21:29:40	alanz	use the simple cabal cradle then
2020-03-21 21:32:23	tommd	ok, I see I needed to load up with a working/compiling example then add the broken code (ex: use of LambdaCase) then LSP can recommend to me the fix.
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2020-03-21 22:14:23	fendor	in the proposal, https://github.com/Ericson2314/ghc-proposals/blob/multi-package/proposals/00-multi-package.rst#implementation-plan, the author always writes about packages, are these the same as components for ghc?
2020-03-21 22:17:28	Ericson2314	fendor yeah GHC doesn't really care very deeply about components vs packages
2020-03-21 22:18:36	fendor	Ericson2314, thank you!
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2020-03-21 22:38:55	Ericson2314	fendor: I really need to find the time  to finish off https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/merge_requests/935 !
2020-03-21 22:39:36	fendor	Ericson2314, I am currently writing a gsoc 2020 proposal to finish !935 and implementing support in tooling
2020-03-21 22:39:52	Ericson2314	fendor: awesome!!!!!
2020-03-21 22:40:09	Ericson2314	when is the deadline for those btw?
2020-03-21 22:40:15	fendor	Ericson2314, 30.3
2020-03-21 22:40:27	Ericson2314	I would love to do one https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/issues/14095#note_251606
2020-03-21 22:40:28	Ericson2314	ok thanks
2020-03-21 22:40:55	fendor	gitlab seems to be down :(
2020-03-21 22:40:59	fendor	at least here
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2020-03-21 23:00:24	alanz	fendor, bgamari just sent a mail saying he is upgrading it
2020-03-21 23:00:38	alanz	quote: should be up again soon
2020-03-21 23:00:46	fendor	I probably should subscribe to that list, too
2020-03-21 23:00:57	alanz	yes. ghc-devs
2020-03-21 23:01:12	alanz	especially given what you are doing
2020-03-21 23:02:46	fendor	I have never used mailing lists before
2020-03-21 23:02:52	fendor	kind of exciting
2020-03-21 23:03:30	alanz	there must be a first time for everything. Do you know what to do?
2020-03-21 23:03:49	alanz	https://mail.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/ghc-devs
2020-03-21 23:04:07	fendor	I think I am subscribed now
2020-03-21 23:04:22	alanz	you should get a mail asking you to confirm subscription
2020-03-21 23:04:35	fendor	yeah, I am listed as subscribed now
2020-03-21 23:04:52	fendor	eventually, I should change my mail address
2020-03-21 23:04:57	alanz	great. That site also has an archive of earlier messages, fyi
2020-03-21 23:05:04	fendor	nice, thank you!
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2020-03-21 23:06:03	alanz	And if anyone feels up to it, there is a new haskell-lsp out, we need to upgrade hie some time
2020-03-21 23:06:49	alanz	And I must say using a code lens for adding a missing signature is a really nice ui experience
2020-03-21 23:07:55	fendor	I agree, it feels very intuitive
2020-03-21 23:10:06	alanz	I am now starting to dog-food hls
2020-03-21 23:10:23	alanz	Immediately picking up things, and picking them off. Lot of low hanging fruit
2020-03-21 23:11:28	fendor	that's awesome! 
2020-03-21 23:12:58	alanz	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/57
2020-03-21 23:15:28	fendor	I see a lot of stuff copied from hie-bios, should we expose more?
2020-03-21 23:15:34	fendor	s/a lot/some/
2020-03-21 23:15:50	fendor	s/a lot of/some/
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2020-03-21 23:21:55	alanz	fendor, where do you see it? in ghcide, or hls?
2020-03-21 23:22:37	alanz	my view is that the boundaries and duplication between hie-bios, hie, ghcide, hls are all quite fluid at the moment, as we move the pieces around
2020-03-21 23:22:55	fendor	in the pr you just linked, everything at the bottom (line 444) of `exe/Main.hs`
2020-03-21 23:23:23	alanz	that is taken directly from mpickering's branch
2020-03-21 23:23:42	alanz	I think he is focusing on getting it to work first, then thinking of repackaging later
2020-03-21 23:23:51	fendor	ok, makes sense. Looks like it would be a good idea to expose these options from HIE.Bios.Environment
2020-03-21 23:24:00	alanz	and it is still WIP, so probably not the right time to rework it yet
2020-03-21 23:24:19	alanz	I suggest you take it up with mpickering, and coordinate with him
2020-03-21 23:24:36	fendor	yeah, of course! 
2020-03-21 23:24:53	fendor	need to pester him about a release, anyways
2020-03-21 23:25:21	alanz	:+1:
2020-03-21 23:35:58	mpickering	Here is my current location
2020-03-21 23:36:29	mpickering	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/U8WcsS56/IMG_20200321_170954.jpg
2020-03-21 23:36:56	mpickering	Unfortunately I still have signal
2020-03-21 23:38:35	alanz	extreme self-isolation :)
2020-03-21 23:38:41	alanz	enjoy the break
2020-03-21 23:41:28	Ericson2314	wow!
2020-03-21 23:44:31	alanz	what he is not showing is the amenities directlyy behind him :)
2020-03-21 23:50:48	tommd	oh, you rebased on the new multi-target work.  That is exciting!
2020-03-21 23:51:25	tommd	smash the phone mpickering.
2020-03-21 23:51:32	alanz	yes
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2020-03-22 03:49:31	Ericson2314	hahaha
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2020-03-22 21:18:04	ptival[m]	so ghcide is stuck on GHC 8.6 until hackage-server is updated?
2020-03-22 21:19:26	mpickering	No? It works with 8.10 even
2020-03-22 21:20:38	ptival[m]	oh, I meant ghcide-nix
2020-03-22 21:20:55	jneira	azure ci is the evidence: https://dev.azure.com/digitalasset/ghcide/_build/results?buildId=36572&view=results
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2020-03-22 21:23:03	ptival[m]	cool I guess I can just suffer the build then :)
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2020-03-22 22:07:57	fendor	mpickering, alanz, I have written the gist of the proposal: https://hackmd.io/@H5m3j9VQRsiiBdVxBmOCiA/r1DF7tXI8 
2020-03-22 22:08:38	fendor	missing are estimated time-lines and maybe details regarding the task
2020-03-22 22:09:04	fendor	*tasks
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2020-03-23 00:55:08	wz1000	can anyone give me the lowdown on hie/ghcide/hls/reflex-ghc situation? I've had some big changes for haskell-lsp/lsp-test in the works for way too long and have had my head out of the game for some time and would like some pointers on the best place to focus my efforts
2020-03-23 00:59:06	alanz	wz1000, hi.  I don't know about the lowdown
2020-03-23 00:59:34	alanz	my view is that hls will replace hie when it is stable, and be built on top of ghcide / hie-bios
2020-03-23 01:00:18	alanz	Whether ghcide stays with a shake-based model or switches to the reflex one is currently an open question, I think
2020-03-23 01:01:13	alanz	Where I think you might be able to help, after discussion/confirmation with mpickering would be in getting the multi-component support solid in ghcide
2020-03-23 01:01:25	alanz	given your background
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2020-03-23 01:02:04	alanz	fendor, I have not looked at your proposal yet, will get to it soon
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2020-03-23 01:24:44	mpickering	fendor: can you write in more technical detail?
2020-03-23 01:24:49	mpickering	I didn't read it in detail yet
2020-03-23 01:24:56	mpickering	but the more technical detail the better
2020-03-23 01:34:58	alanz	fendor, I gave it a quick read, and it looks good. But defer to mpickering 
2020-03-23 01:41:31	fendor	alanz, ok thank you! 
2020-03-23 01:42:13	fendor	mpickering, technical details in what particular direction? Should I explain the needed changes for HscEnv, etc...?
2020-03-23 01:42:58	fendor	However, I can mainly speak about what is already there and what is written in the ghc proposal and the pr
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2020-03-23 02:07:23	mpickering	fendor: Basically you have to convince the committee you can deliver the project
2020-03-23 02:07:32	mpickering	and a good way to do that is describe precise what you will do
2020-03-23 02:09:16	mpickering	and a lot of the proposals are superficial
2020-03-23 02:09:40	mpickering	I am sure you can find my old proposals if you look hard enough.. that was before I realised that most proposals were not that detailed
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2020-03-23 02:17:24	fendor	ok, so should I spent some time understanding the PR already? Also scout what changes are necessary to Cabal and stuff like that?
2020-03-23 02:18:32	mpickering	I mean, for things like "Implement a CLI" you can suggest what the CLI might look like
2020-03-23 02:18:46	mpickering	ie, a set of GHC options, one for each component
2020-03-23 02:19:36	mpickering	Also you can talk about how the ghcide multi component works
2020-03-23 02:19:40	mpickering	in order to set up the bigger picture
2020-03-23 02:19:43	mpickering	about who this helps
2020-03-23 02:20:09	mpickering	And in writing the proposal to this level of detail you will understand what needs to be done much better
2020-03-23 02:20:39	fendor	ok, makes sense. 
2020-03-23 02:21:08	fendor	thank you for your feedback!
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2020-03-23 03:31:27	alanz	jneira, have you ever used github projects?
2020-03-23 03:32:30	jneira	hi! i have not
2020-03-23 03:33:31	jneira	i yhink i've seen some lukelau activity around the project in hie
2020-03-23 03:34:28	alanz	ok. I am on another project using them, and the seem to work quite well.
2020-03-23 03:34:48	alanz	See https://github.com/erlang-ls/erlang_ls/projects
2020-03-23 03:35:16	alanz	wondering if we should consider them for hie / hls. 
2020-03-23 03:35:27	alanz	but it is basically you and fendor driving that side of things
2020-03-23 03:35:54	alanz	so it is up to you guys
2020-03-23 03:35:58	jneira	mmm looks interesting
2020-03-23 03:36:30	lukelau	jneira: i’m using it at the moment for a college project
2020-03-23 03:36:42	lukelau	we’re using it for a nice simple kanban board, works quite well
2020-03-23 03:36:47	jneira	i am not working with agile but it reminds me a kanban board
2020-03-23 03:37:08	alanz	for me it is about having todo lists that you can manage
2020-03-23 03:37:20	alanz	and are visible, and can be ordered
2020-03-23 03:37:48	fendor	that would be cool. Using milestones and such did not turn out as well as I hoped :/
2020-03-23 03:38:04	fendor	oh wait, that is the thing we have been fiddling around
2020-03-23 03:38:07	jneira	well it seems it can be useful to coordinate closed related work 
2020-03-23 03:38:25	fendor	we currently do have a project https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/projects
2020-03-23 03:38:31	fendor	from january
2020-03-23 03:39:00	fendor	actually great that we finished almost everything on that list
2020-03-23 03:39:15	alanz	oops, I  did not actually look. I am focusing wholly on hls at the moment
2020-03-23 03:39:22	jneira	i think we are more "issue-driving" now and it is better suited for the actual state of hie
2020-03-23 03:39:36	alanz	and making good progress, I think. Now using it instead of hie.
2020-03-23 03:39:44	jneira	it is in maintenance mode or something alike
2020-03-23 03:40:03	alanz	for hls I was thinking earlier "what are the big-picture things we need to do".
2020-03-23 03:40:10	jneira	yeah
2020-03-23 03:40:16	alanz	and how do we communicate them, coordinate
2020-03-23 03:40:34	fendor	yeah, I actually think some planning would be nice for hls
2020-03-23 03:40:44	alanz	Because I look forward to being not the only contributor. But there needs to be a skeleton first, which I think we are starting to have
2020-03-23 03:42:06	alanz	agree.
2020-03-23 03:42:20	jneira	i am a little bit intrigued with the comment about "maybe we dont need hls" (or maybe i misinterpreted it)
2020-03-23 03:42:29	alanz	My goal is to sort out stupid stuff I see now. Like really crappy hover formatting
2020-03-23 03:42:36	fendor	that is great to hear! Do you have some tasks in mind that can be split into issues?
2020-03-23 03:42:56	alanz	jneira, that was more of a provocation, and got the result I wanted. So dont worry about it
2020-03-23 03:42:59	fendor	you mean the default ghcide hover formatting? It is sometimes weird, but I like it so far
2020-03-23 03:43:22	alanz	I did have a momentary feeling that if the main contribs are only committing to ghcide, what are we doing
2020-03-23 03:43:36	jneira	:+1:
2020-03-23 03:43:47	alanz	fendor, yes, that.  I miss the double signatures, original plus monomorphic
2020-03-23 03:44:03	fendor	yeah, that is a must have
2020-03-23 03:45:17	jneira	could we think in add the cabal-helper cradle in hls?
2020-03-23 03:45:55	alanz	definitely. Implicit cradles is definitely something we want.
2020-03-23 03:46:07	jneira	not sure what version of ghcide is being used in hls now
2020-03-23 03:46:41	alanz	my branch uses a cobbled together one, based on pepe's interface files and mpickering's multi-cradle
2020-03-23 03:46:44	lukelau	alanz: I’m thinking of submitting my gsoc proposal sometime in the next couple of days, implicit-cradle/cabal-helper cradles is something i definitely want to tackle
2020-03-23 03:46:46	alanz	and a few tweaks of my own
2020-03-23 03:47:07	fendor	lukelau, what are you planning to work on?
2020-03-23 03:47:09	alanz	lukelau, I would love to see that. You on GSOC, and a good proposal
2020-03-23 03:47:49	lukelau	fendor: whatever is next on the roadmap for hls. and wrapping up the hie-bios stuff i started looking at in bristol
2020-03-23 03:48:28	lukelau	I was also thinking about your cabal show-build-info stuff, and getting that integrated
2020-03-23 03:48:40	lukelau	what about you?
2020-03-23 03:48:43	fendor	oh, I would love to see that! 
2020-03-23 03:48:45	jneira	great news!
2020-03-23 03:49:15	fendor	Loading multiple components/packages into a single ghc session
2020-03-23 03:49:59	fendor	which ought to help e.g. ghcide/hls to handle multi-component projects
2020-03-23 03:50:58	fendor	and then using it in other projects
2020-03-23 03:51:17	lukelau	is this work inside ghc itself?
2020-03-23 03:51:17	fendor	proposal so far: https://hackmd.io/@H5m3j9VQRsiiBdVxBmOCiA/r1DF7tXI8
2020-03-23 03:51:20	fendor	yeah
2020-03-23 03:51:25	lukelau	nice
2020-03-23 03:51:43	alanz	lukelau, there is also a lot of work to be done on hls too, just getting it solid and usable for day to day, after the implicit stuff
2020-03-23 03:51:51	jneira	the plan was somewhat sketched here: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/issues/1
2020-03-23 03:52:18	lukelau	alanz: I presume theres a lot of low hanging fruit there right?
2020-03-23 03:52:36	jneira	we can update it or use it to create a project board
2020-03-23 03:52:43	alanz	yes. A lot of grunt work, of course
2020-03-23 03:53:14	alanz	jneira, that issue is where I got thinking about a board. I think a project allows better management of things
2020-03-23 03:53:23	alanz	and sets a way of working that can last
2020-03-23 03:54:45	alanz	lukelau, the grunt work is making sure everything works, bringing over whatever plugins still need to come over from hie, making it work for multiple ghc versions, etc
2020-03-23 03:55:14	alanz	but the most important thing is getting the hie-bios/ghcide multi and implicit stuff solid
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2020-03-23 04:10:17	lukelau	alanz: is there an agreed list of plugins yet that are going to be included?
2020-03-23 04:10:32	alanz	well, all of them in time. 
2020-03-23 04:10:45	alanz	I have just started on bringing over the haddock onw
2020-03-23 04:10:50	lukelau	ok, so that will give plenty to do
2020-03-23 04:10:57	lukelau	hows the new plugin infrastructure looking?
2020-03-23 04:11:17	alanz	pretty good, I think. It is what I have been focusing on this last while.
2020-03-23 04:11:39	lukelau	looking forward to working with it then :)
2020-03-23 04:11:45	alanz	See https://github.com/alanz/haskell-language-server/tree/multi-experimental
2020-03-23 04:12:08	alanz	example: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-language-server/blob/multi-experimental/src/Ide/Plugin/Pragmas.hs
2020-03-23 04:12:09	lukelau	i’m starting my draft proposal here if you want to leave comments etc https://docs.google.com/document/d/12DhooPNToC1pcpZBKqOmBC7ZhBz5pgghCzvqDxFqEjk/edit?usp=sharing
2020-03-23 04:12:18	alanz	thanks
2020-03-23 04:12:31	alanz	need permission
2020-03-23 04:12:43	alanz	requested
2020-03-23 04:13:17	lukelau	my bad, try again?
2020-03-23 04:13:18	lukelau	https://docs.google.com/document/d/12DhooPNToC1pcpZBKqOmBC7ZhBz5pgghCzvqDxFqEjk/edit?usp=sharing
2020-03-23 04:13:38	lukelau	my university gsuite account defaults access to within the university
2020-03-23 04:14:09	lukelau	nice to see plugindescriptor is still around
2020-03-23 04:14:37	jneira	i was thinking in work to try make hie work with ghc-8.8.3, do you think it can be useful?
2020-03-23 04:14:51	jneira	mainly make the test suite pass
2020-03-23 04:14:57	alanz	jneira, yes
2020-03-23 04:15:08	jneira	:+1:
2020-03-23 04:15:17	alanz	we need to keep hie as a viable option until we have something else we can recommend
2020-03-23 04:15:22	alanz	I think
2020-03-23 04:15:43	alanz	but ideally this double work period is as short as possible
2020-03-23 04:15:46	jneira	i think the same
2020-03-23 04:15:57	lukelau	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-language-server/blob/aa17b820f5ef5ca189eea4f3561db3cafae73dbf/src/Ide/Types.hs#L93-L99 its a fresh breath of air to see functions in IO again
2020-03-23 04:16:12	alanz	yes indeed
2020-03-23 04:16:24	lukelau	i presume they communicate directly with haskell-lsp with the IdeState + Config ?
2020-03-23 04:16:48	alanz	yes, you need to dig into those to see what is needed
2020-03-23 04:17:22	alanz	the LspFuncs stuff is mostly not needed, but various of the ghcide providers we wrap use it, so I generalised to suit
2020-03-23 04:17:29	lukelau	awesome
2020-03-23 04:17:47	alanz	See how we adapt them: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-language-server/blob/aa17b820f5ef5ca189eea4f3561db3cafae73dbf/src/Ide/Plugin/GhcIde.hs
2020-03-23 04:19:04	alanz	our plugin processing currently supports old style symbol providers too, so had to step the ghcide one back, otherwise it is a passthru
2020-03-23 04:20:08	alanz	and nested code actions are not handled properly at the moment either
2020-03-23 04:20:15	lukelau	nested code actions?
2020-03-23 04:21:20	alanz	this stuff https://github.com/alanz/haskell-language-server/blob/aa17b820f5ef5ca189eea4f3561db3cafae73dbf/src/Ide/Plugin.hs#L290-L315
2020-03-23 04:21:32	alanz	which is the commented-out bits from hie
2020-03-23 04:22:35	lukelau	right. i presume after a while we can stop supporting old versions of lsp clients
2020-03-23 04:22:50	lukelau	3.8 was a while ago if we’re on 3.15
2020-03-23 04:22:56	alanz	yes. the old legacy problem.
2020-03-23 04:23:11	alanz	I reckon we need to have a policy on that too
2020-03-23 04:23:24	alanz	Last 3 versions, or something
2020-03-23 04:23:34	alanz	otherwise it gets insane
2020-03-23 04:24:04	alanz	lukelau, I think your proposal is going to need more detail
2020-03-23 04:24:26	lukelau	i just started writing this 30 minutes ago, nowhere near done haha
2020-03-23 04:24:45	alanz	and it might make sense to spend some time with hls, and perhaps create issue, even a project board
2020-03-23 04:24:50	alanz	fair enough
2020-03-23 04:26:19	lukelau	might make sense to make a project board for both gsoc + long term
2020-03-23 04:27:08	lukelau	so far for gsoc i have cabal show-build-info in hie-bios, moving plugins into haskell-language-server, what else?
2020-03-23 04:27:41	lukelau	setting up the bits and pieces of multiple ghc version builds of hls?
2020-03-23 04:28:08	alanz	definitely
2020-03-23 04:28:19	lukelau	presumably moving over parts of the test suite
2020-03-23 04:28:35	alanz	And coordinating with fendor and jneira on CI, and getting the test suite over and passing
2020-03-23 04:29:25	alanz	And it is probably too early until hls is actually usable, but at some point we must consider migrating the plugin functionality out of ghcide into hls
2020-03-23 04:29:45	alanz	which can probably be done by copying it initially
2020-03-23 04:29:59	alanz	just to have it as a first-class citizen in hls.
2020-03-23 04:30:16	alanz	and I see we can run tasty tests under hspec
2020-03-23 04:30:30	alanz	and I think the ghcide tasty tests just wrap hunit tests
2020-03-23 04:30:34	alanz	test inception :)
2020-03-23 04:30:59	jneira	8-O
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2020-03-23 04:31:13	alanz	but I think we need to discuss that last part with the ghcide guys, make sure everyone agrees with that as the way forward
2020-03-23 04:32:28	alanz	lukelau, I have a feeling your image should be the aftermath of a nuclear explosion
2020-03-23 04:33:11	jneira	or a global pandemia? :-P
2020-03-23 04:33:14	lukelau	by the ghcide plugin functionality are you referring to this? https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/blob/master/src/Development/IDE/Plugin.hs
2020-03-23 04:33:57	lukelau	alanz jneira: this technically is the world with a haskell ide, take from that what you will
2020-03-23 04:34:14	alanz	I know, just pulling your leg
2020-03-23 04:37:20	alanz	hmm, ghcide already has haddock in it. But I am not sure if I am getting results. Odd
2020-03-23 04:38:22	alanz	lukelau, I am not sure how deeply integrated .hie files are via ghcide at this stage
2020-03-23 04:38:30	alanz	that is also something to consider
2020-03-23 04:38:40	lukelau	are they integrated at all?
2020-03-23 04:39:01	alanz	I think I saw some talk about it being used somewhere, but not sure. 
2020-03-23 04:39:08	alanz	ask mpickering
2020-03-23 04:40:50	lukelau	looks like they are a bit: https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/pull/440/files
2020-03-23 04:41:58	alanz	yes. But not quite sure what they are pulling out of it.
2020-03-23 04:42:12	alanz	And as a stretch goal you can consider managing lsif file
2020-03-23 04:42:14	alanz	s
2020-03-23 04:42:39	alanz	But that is probably a project in its own right, for 2021 GSOC
2020-03-23 04:44:06	alanz	jneira, I presume we should use your cabal-helper version in hls too?
2020-03-23 04:45:11	jneira	mmm a lot changes in exe/Main.hs since i did it
2020-03-23 04:45:51	jneira	the module will be more or less stable?
2020-03-23 04:46:36	jneira	or there are chances to split it shortly?
2020-03-23 04:47:22	jneira	each major change in ghcide touches it
2020-03-23 04:56:20	alanz	jneira, I asked them about that
2020-03-23 04:56:46	alanz	and was told we are waiting for some long-running branches to land first. And then the plan is to rationalise it
2020-03-23 04:57:37	jneira	:+1: i'll rebase it 
2020-03-23 04:57:47	alanz	https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/issues/478
2020-03-23 04:58:16	alanz	I find it easiest to sort the imports in the ghcide/exe/Main.hs before doing that, each time
2020-03-23 04:58:32	alanz	And getting *anything* merged into ghcide is a pain.
2020-03-23 04:58:59	alanz	the sooner it becomes some stable sub-library the better
2020-03-23 05:13:29	lukelau	alanz: I’ve shared my GSoC draft, I’ll mull over it for a couple of days in case I come up with other things that need worked on
2020-03-23 05:14:40	alanz	ok, I am on my way to bed, will look agian tomorrow
2020-03-23 05:14:49	alanz	still a week, so no rush
2020-03-23 05:15:27	lukelau	exactly, thought id set aside some time this week to start getting my head back in the loop
2020-03-23 05:15:41	lukelau	thanks for the updates, night!
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2020-03-23 10:20:25	wz1000	lukelau: also consider integrating hiedb(https://github.com/wz1000/HieDb or https://github.com/ocharles/HieDb) along with hie files to get global find references support
2020-03-23 10:25:22	wz1000	also the weeder 2.0 stuff ocharles implemented
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2020-03-23 15:30:33	mpickering	Forcing ghcide to only use one thread seems to improve hover performance on by 2x 
2020-03-23 15:33:11	mpickering	🤣
2020-03-23 16:11:53	jneira_	node.js was right about
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2020-03-23 17:12:21	mpickering	So setting optThreads = 1, makes hovering take 0.6s...
2020-03-23 17:12:23	mpickering	which is actually usable
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2020-03-23 19:17:15	mpickering	alanz: It would be good to be able to easily add a source plugin as a hls plugin
2020-03-23 19:17:34	mpickering	not sure if you have considered that yet
2020-03-23 19:20:13	alanz	Nope.
2020-03-23 19:20:40	alanz	And not sure how it would work, example code awaited
2020-03-23 19:24:15	fendor	what is a source plugin?
2020-03-23 19:28:23	mpickering	https://mpickering.github.io/papers/working-with-source-plugins.pdf
2020-03-23 19:28:33	mpickering	alanz: If you have a source plugin which just analyses the AST
2020-03-23 19:28:49	mpickering	then it would be convenient to slot it into HLS somehow
2020-03-23 19:28:53	mpickering	for example, the graphmod plugin
2020-03-23 19:29:00	mpickering	which makes a dot graph of the module structure
2020-03-23 19:29:16	mpickering	but perhaps that kind of plugin can be implemented easily natively in ghcide anyway.. without having to be a source plugin
2020-03-23 19:29:26	alanz	Agree. I worry about composability of those things. But info-only makes sense
2020-03-23 19:30:08	alanz	My view right now is that hls has enough hay on its fork to just get something usable out.
2020-03-23 19:30:23	alanz	Can look at more exotic stuff when that is done
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2020-03-23 23:52:18	alanz	lukelau, your proposal looks good, I think
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2020-03-24 02:00:24	lukelau	wz1000: thanks, added that to the stretch goals
2020-03-24 02:00:53	lukelau	alanz: i’ll submit it tomorrow if noone has any other ideas/requests to work on
2020-03-24 02:01:43	alanz	👍
2020-03-24 02:58:16	mpickering	Where is the link to it?
2020-03-24 02:58:32	mpickering	If the proposal is about hie-bios at all.. then I should comment
2020-03-24 02:59:25	mpickering	If anyone is building ghcide, then try it with `optsThreads = 1` everything is much faster
2020-03-24 02:59:40	mpickering	On ghcide code base hover goes from 0.35 to 0.05s
2020-03-24 03:00:14	alanz	mpickering, https://docs.google.com/document/d/12DhooPNToC1pcpZBKqOmBC7ZhBz5pgghCzvqDxFqEjk/edit#heading=h.oaat77x185g
2020-03-24 03:00:32	alanz	probably not enough detail for you :)
2020-03-24 03:02:10	mpickering	No, I commented so
2020-03-24 03:03:34	mpickering	main query is about the first point
2020-03-24 03:03:43	mpickering	as I do not want to modify hie-bios unless there is some clear benefit
2020-03-24 03:03:51	mpickering	and I think it overlaps with what fendor will do
2020-03-24 03:06:35	alanz	Is fendor not aiming at support in future, where this is support now? and paving the way for support in future?
2020-03-24 03:07:02	alanz	It is addressing one of the primary early objectives, of having implicit cradle support
2020-03-24 03:07:24	alanz	mpickering, fendor do you have your proposal URL close at hand?
2020-03-24 03:07:40	mpickering	I think the cabal cradle should work already with multi-component set ups implicitly
2020-03-24 03:07:45	fendor	alanz, you mean the current write-up?
2020-03-24 03:07:49	mpickering	since lukelau already patched it to pass the FilePath
2020-03-24 03:07:55	mpickering	but I have not tested it
2020-03-24 03:08:04	alanz	found it. https://hackmd.io/@H5m3j9VQRsiiBdVxBmOCiA/r1DF7tXI8
2020-03-24 03:08:05	alanz	?
2020-03-24 03:08:21	fendor	yeah, exactly
2020-03-24 03:08:40	lukelau	mpickering: im not sure if that patch got merged
2020-03-24 03:08:47	alanz	fendor, have you read lukelau's proposal?
2020-03-24 03:08:58	fendor	alanz, not yet, reading it right now
2020-03-24 03:09:36	lukelau	the cabal show-build-info, doesn’t necessarily need to go into hie-bios, it just seemed like a sensible place to add it
2020-03-24 03:09:44	lukelau	*cabal show-build-info stuff
2020-03-24 03:09:59	mpickering	I am up for a discussion but be aware I am extremely conservative about adding to the API
2020-03-24 03:10:08	mpickering	because there is a real danger of over complicating things
2020-03-24 03:10:14	fendor	mpickering, so far, I dont see what would overlap with my work
2020-03-24 03:10:24	lukelau	it could be added as a layer on top of hie-bios, similar to how haskell-ide-engine has the cabal-helper logic on top in cradle.hs
2020-03-24 03:10:43	mpickering	I would much rather add to the API, if there was also corresponding changes to ghcide and changes to build tools which proved it worked and was necessary 
2020-03-24 03:10:56	mpickering	rather than trying to predict what is needed, as so far, nothing else has needed to be added
2020-03-24 03:10:58	lukelau	ideally it wouldn’t change the api at all
2020-03-24 03:11:08	alanz	mpickering, iirc from bristol, we said we were going to focus on implict cradle as a feature, not necessarily inside hie-bios
2020-03-24 03:11:29	alanz	as it basically generates a hie.yaml to feed to hie-bios
2020-03-24 03:11:37	lukelau	that was the intention right, fendor?
2020-03-24 03:11:45	alanz	only api change might be to feed it as a buffer rather than a file
2020-03-24 03:12:06	mpickering	ok, just wanted to make it very clear about how easy it would be to get a patch merged into hie-bios
2020-03-24 03:12:23	alanz	harder than into ghcide :)
2020-03-24 03:12:25	lukelau	and hie-bios would depend on the cabal library
2020-03-24 03:12:34	mpickering	hmmm, I don't think so...
2020-03-24 03:12:34	fendor	lukelau, yeah, I think so, too
2020-03-24 03:12:48	mpickering	Depending on the Cabal library is something I have always tried to avoid
2020-03-24 03:12:52	mpickering	adds a big maintenance cost
2020-03-24 03:13:12	lukelau	understandably. do you think ghcide would be happy to have this cabal show-build-info stuff then?
2020-03-24 03:13:29	mpickering	I think the right way is to add the functionality to cabal-install
2020-03-24 03:13:39	mpickering	I foresee two amendments to the hie-bios API
2020-03-24 03:13:55	lukelau	and then have hie-bios call this functionality from the cabal-install exe?
2020-03-24 03:13:58	mpickering	1. A way to query what components a cradle has available, which is related to what fendor is doing
2020-03-24 03:14:07	mpickering	lukelau: Yes
2020-03-24 03:14:22	lukelau	that could also work, fendor do you also have a PR for this?
2020-03-24 03:14:24	mpickering	2. A way to expose the libdir, or ghc compiler to use from a cradle
2020-03-24 03:14:48	mpickering	but I am still unsure about 2
2020-03-24 03:15:04	mpickering	I feel like the way that haskell-ide-engine handles it is quite good, better than ghcide at least
2020-03-24 03:15:15	lukelau	by delegating it cabal-helper?
2020-03-24 03:15:47	mpickering	No, by calling the ghc you have on your path
2020-03-24 03:16:02	mpickering	But I suppose for stack it does something different
2020-03-24 03:16:18	lukelau	this is the pr by the way https://github.com/haskell/cabal/pull/6241
2020-03-24 03:16:22	alanz	mpickering, are you intending to allow a cabal cradle to specify what ghc to use?
2020-03-24 03:16:47	mpickering	I don't think so, I don't think it makes sense
2020-03-24 03:16:49	alanz	rather than putting it into the cabal.project
2020-03-24 03:17:07	alanz	well, it is the analog of choosing a particular stack.yaml file
2020-03-24 03:17:12	mpickering	the ghc you use should be forced by which version of ghc you built ghcide with
2020-03-24 03:17:40	alanz	mpickering, the hie/hls model invokes a wrapper, which chooses a version to run
2020-03-24 03:17:42	lukelau	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/Cabal-3.0.0.0/docs/Distribution-Simple-ShowBuildInfo.html#v:mkBuildInfo
2020-03-24 03:17:58	lukelau	showbuildinfo does return the path to the compiler it has been configured with
2020-03-24 03:18:13	lukelau	which might not always be the ghc on the path, if you use -with-compiler etc.
2020-03-24 03:18:58	alanz	which is what I do really often
2020-03-24 03:19:36	alanz	so to me we should pick up either the configured ghc version (probably the best option) or specify it in the cradle
2020-03-24 03:20:04	lukelau	yeah, hls-wrapper should really take advantage of this info
2020-03-24 03:20:17	mpickering	I don't feel any of this pain because I am using nix-shells
2020-03-24 03:20:22	lukelau	this command is a treasure trove of cradle information
2020-03-24 03:20:24	mpickering	and always have a wrapper script anyway
2020-03-24 03:20:31	alanz	agree. Especially as ghcide reconfigures all the time
2020-03-24 03:20:53	alanz	mpickering, nix is an important demographic, but not the major one
2020-03-24 03:21:02	alanz	and hls is the one that has to work everywhere
2020-03-24 03:21:12	mpickering	Is `cabal new-show-build-info` an actual command?
2020-03-24 03:21:25	lukelau	it is almost a command
2020-03-24 03:21:30	lukelau	its currently available in the Cabal library
2020-03-24 03:21:33	lukelau	but not in cabal-install
2020-03-24 03:21:33	mpickering	but I object to some special logic being built it for cabal
2020-03-24 03:21:44	mpickering	obelisk users will also have the same issue
2020-03-24 03:21:47	mpickering	just as nix users do
2020-03-24 03:22:04	mpickering	The interface has to work for all build tools
2020-03-24 03:22:10	alanz	well, cabal is the tool that ships with and is co-developed with ghc
2020-03-24 03:22:19	alanz	so it is privileged in some sense
2020-03-24 03:22:49	mpickering	However, hie-bios is a success because it does not privilege cabal
2020-03-24 03:24:48	alanz	ok. this is a side conversation anyway, let me step back
2020-03-24 03:24:55	fendor	lukelau, show-build-info is pretty cool. I think it is a pity that seems like it is hardly used
2020-03-24 03:24:57	mpickering	The `cabal configure -w` would work if we didn't use the repl trick
2020-03-24 03:25:16	lukelau	fendor: exactly, i want to take advantage of your hard work on it
2020-03-24 03:25:39	mpickering	because in the repl, we just call ghc or stack exec ghc or something
2020-03-24 03:25:42	lukelau	mpickering: i think that makes sense too, that hie-bios doesn’t depend on the Cabal library directly
2020-03-24 03:25:43	mpickering	*wrapper
2020-03-24 03:25:56	lukelau	ideally, what I would like to see is:
2020-03-24 03:26:10	lukelau	cabal-install has a `cabal show-build-info` command
2020-03-24 03:26:26	lukelau	hie-bios calls `cabal show-build-info` instead of the `cabal repl` wrapper, and parses the json
2020-03-24 03:26:44	fendor	well, strictly speaking, it is the work of cfraz, whoever that is. I just rebased it
2020-03-24 03:27:02	mpickering	lukelau: Yes that would be perfect
2020-03-24 03:27:21	lukelau	should I update my proposal then to clarify this?
2020-03-24 03:27:26	lukelau	not clarify
2020-03-24 03:27:29	mpickering	but you also need to make sure that you configure the package as well to build all the dependencies
2020-03-24 03:27:32	lukelau	refocus this?
2020-03-24 03:28:07	mpickering	I think this conversation is most important to have between us, and the precise details lost on other people
2020-03-24 03:28:13	mpickering	but of course write down as much detail as possible in the proposal
2020-03-24 03:28:29	lukelau	I would imagine the cabal show-build-info command would configure it in the first place
2020-03-24 03:30:35	mpickering	I don't imagine it will build the library component for an executable
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2020-03-24 03:31:00	mpickering	which you need to do unless you also load the library component into the IDE
2020-03-24 03:31:14	mpickering	which is possible of course but something to think about
2020-03-24 03:31:21	lukelau	yeah, i just meant as in the actual “cabal configure” part
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2020-03-24 03:31:50	lukelau	hie-bios would have to parse what the dependencies are from show-build-info or what have you, and call `cabal build pkg` on them?
2020-03-24 03:32:32	mpickering	Or just call `v2-repl` on the target hehe
2020-03-24 03:32:43	lukelau	also works 😛 
2020-03-24 03:32:58	mpickering	but it's better to not build them and just load all the components into ghcide 
2020-03-24 03:33:09	mpickering	but the interface will have to be modified to allow that
2020-03-24 03:33:12	mpickering	to hie-bios that is
2020-03-24 03:34:29	lukelau	by dependencies are you talking about local component dependencies, or package dependencies?
2020-03-24 03:34:41	lukelau	won’t the package dependencies still need to be built somehow? can ghcide do that?
2020-03-24 03:36:33	mpickering	yes local
2020-03-24 03:37:06	lukelau	oh then in that case then yeah I would imagine its best to let ghcide handle that
2020-03-24 03:37:16	mpickering	If you modified the API to take a FilePath and return a list of ComponentOptions that needed to be loaded then that would be perfect
2020-03-24 03:37:17	lukelau	and let it work its shake magic
2020-03-24 03:38:16	mpickering	Can someone else try setting `optThreads = 1` btw and see if it makes things faster for them rather than just me
2020-03-24 03:38:28	mpickering	I feel like I am going crazy that it makes such a huge difference
2020-03-24 03:38:47	alanz	mpickering, where do we set that? ghc-options in the cabal file?
2020-03-24 03:39:11	alanz	btw, if any of the gsoc projects manages to get me a module graph for HaRe I would be really happy
2020-03-24 03:39:12	mpickering	In ghcide, `src/Development/IDE/Types/Options.hs`
2020-03-24 03:39:28	mpickering	`optThreads = 0`, turn that into `optThreads = 1`
2020-03-24 03:39:36	mpickering	then load it up, and compare the hover speed
2020-03-24 03:39:40	alanz	ok, will give it a go in my multi component branch
2020-03-24 03:40:23	alanz	I am not really experiencing hover delays. More about the continual re-configuring, which is a feature of the current multi WIP branch, I gather
2020-03-24 03:42:14	mpickering	well it's not really a feature, it should only do it when you load a new component
2020-03-24 03:42:22	mpickering	but so far, no one has given me reproduction instructions
2020-03-24 03:42:30	alanz	I have not looked at it too closely, just noticed it
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2020-03-24 03:42:39	alanz	from time to time
2020-03-24 03:42:50	mpickering	It is usually a symptom of a cradle not declaring all its dependencies 
2020-03-24 03:42:53	fendor	alanz, I was actually wondering, how did that even use to work in ghc-mod? How could ghc-mod obtain a module graph for everything?
2020-03-24 03:43:10	mpickering	or if you open a file which is somehow outside the project
2020-03-24 03:43:29	alanz	fendor, the old cabal-helper used to do it. configure the project, get the info
2020-03-24 03:43:37	alanz	dxld?
2020-03-24 03:49:52	fendor	ok. Well, I would expect that loading multiple components into the same session will be helpful. At least, that is how I have understood it
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2020-03-24 03:50:07	mpickering	sure, once you can do that it's trivial
2020-03-24 03:51:43	fendor	you'd still have to load every component at once
2020-03-24 03:52:27	alanz	that should do it
2020-03-24 03:52:36	mpickering	sure but it's not that bad 
2020-03-24 03:52:41	alanz	or just do the downsweep to sort out deps
2020-03-24 03:52:49	mpickering	yeah you just have to parse every module
2020-03-24 03:52:59	mpickering	or just the header even
2020-03-24 03:53:19	alanz	not the whole module, I am sure ghc has a special short parse mode for this
2020-03-24 03:53:23	mpickering	alanz: With that change I observed hover decreasing from 0.35 to 0.05s btw
2020-03-24 03:53:37	mpickering	it is definitely noticeable, on GHC it's the difference between 1.7 and 0.7s
2020-03-24 03:53:40	alanz	ok, just installing my version
2020-03-24 03:53:56	mpickering	yes GHC can just parse the header, ghcide does not do that yet though
2020-03-24 03:54:16	mpickering	the memory usage with Pepe's branch is very reasonable as well, so even pre-emptively compiling everything is fine
2020-03-24 03:54:26	mpickering	as it just produces the interface files which you can use later
2020-03-24 03:55:27	alanz	my version is built on top of yours and pepe's branches
2020-03-24 03:56:27	mpickering	yeah I have been only using Pepe's branch for months
2020-03-24 03:56:33	alanz	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-language-server/tree/multi-experimental
2020-03-24 03:56:42	mpickering	not sure how people can use ghcide master at all it uses way too much memory
2020-03-24 03:57:00	alanz	well, it depends what you are loading, I guess
2020-03-24 03:57:01	Ericson2314	fendor: Also if you like, I'd be happy to look over the GHC part of your proposal / help a student try to make sense of it
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2020-03-24 04:01:19	fendor	Ericson2314, that would be awesome! I have yet to refine the proposal 
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2020-03-24 04:18:00	mpickering	did you try it alanz ?
2020-03-24 04:18:39	alanz	mpickering, I did, but to be honest did not notice a huge difference. But I am not doing heavy usage right now
2020-03-24 04:18:58	alanz	more just moving pieces around, managing branched, cherry-picking, etc
2020-03-24 04:20:07	mpickering	ok that's a good datapoint at least
2020-03-24 04:20:19	mpickering	I will keep mentioning this in every issue until someone starts caring who can fix it
2020-03-24 04:20:57	alanz	sounds like a plan.
2020-03-24 04:21:11	alanz	My workaround is still going to be a decoupling loop though
2020-03-24 04:21:42	alanz	because at times the whole of emacs hangs while things churn.
2020-03-24 04:22:01	alanz	And I think it is either waiting for the backend, or the file watching process getting upset
2020-03-24 04:22:21	alanz	because I get warnings from emacs about having to watch > 1000 files
2020-03-24 04:23:01	mpickering	which project?
2020-03-24 04:23:29	alanz	that branch
2020-03-24 04:23:38	alanz	of hls
2020-03-24 04:23:58	mpickering	seems like a problem with the emacs language client
2020-03-24 04:24:03	alanz	I install via "cabal new-install --overwrite-policy=always haskell-language-server:exe:haskell-language-server"
2020-03-24 04:24:10	mpickering	not even that many modules in hls
2020-03-24 04:24:26	alanz	and then change the lsp-haskell wrapper to that exe
2020-03-24 04:24:42	alanz	it watches everything in dist-newstyle, there is a clone of cabal-helper in there
2020-03-24 04:25:07	alanz	and it monitors files. 
2020-03-24 04:25:16	alanz	But I think emacs is miscounting, to be honest
2020-03-24 04:25:33	mpickering	it should only watch things in include directories
2020-03-24 04:25:38	mpickering	and there is one in dist-newstyle
2020-03-24 04:25:55	alanz	"find . | wc -l" gives 4213
2020-03-24 04:26:10	alanz	in the root directory of the project, having just done a configure and build
2020-03-24 04:28:35	alanz	mpickering, it is not currently complaining of number of watches, but this is what it is looking at: https://gist.github.com/alanz/82a9c42a16789c660d26a61250ef75c0
2020-03-24 04:29:03	alanz	I suspect that when I reconfigure the project, which I do from time to time, it makes new watches, without deleting the old
2020-03-24 04:29:35	alanz	me and hls tend to fight each other over dist-newstyle, I flush it and re-do from time to time, as a flip branches around
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2020-03-25 00:04:44	alanz	mpickering, are you working on your multi branch? as in rebasing it on master?
2020-03-25 00:05:28	alanz	I am trying to get a handle on my best way forward for my hls version. I think that making a fresh version is the most sane way
2020-03-25 00:05:35	alanz	(for me)
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2020-03-25 01:13:15	mpickering	I am not working on it as we speak
2020-03-25 01:13:22	mpickering	the branch is `wip/multi-rebase`
2020-03-25 01:13:30	mpickering	which should be only a few commits behind
2020-03-25 01:15:14	alanz	 ok, thanks. I will rebase it again onto master.But squash it first
2020-03-25 01:17:45	mpickering	Sure, the changeset is quite small once you squas
2020-03-25 01:26:08	mpickering	Hope the call was useful for you
2020-03-25 01:26:19	mpickering	I feel like it was mostly me explaining to myself, which is still useful
2020-03-25 01:34:35	alanz	mpickering, yes it was, thanks. Helps me get some more context
2020-03-25 01:34:49	alanz	which is why I pretty much just listened
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2020-03-25 02:01:47	alanz	So, squashed all the branches down, now need to merge one commit for the multi stuff onto the squashed master
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2020-03-25 02:07:16	alanz	emacs 3-way diff merge https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/MF6VtEGO/Screenshot%20from%202020-03-24%2020-35-40.png
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2020-03-25 04:42:36	alanz	mpickering, rebased your multi onto master in ghcide, and using it in hls here: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-language-server/tree/multi-experimental
2020-03-25 04:42:50	alanz	first kick the tyres seem to show it working
2020-03-25 04:57:29	alanz	and I am seeing issues, not loading files, reconfiguring a lot. Damn.
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2020-03-25 09:58:53	tommd	Why does HLS/GHCIDE (hie-bios?) cause my subsequent cabal build calls to need to rebuild a significant number of packages with the reason of "configuration changed"?
2020-03-25 09:59:07	tommd	Is there a way for me to help fix this?
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2020-03-25 13:07:39	mpickering	tommd: I think because we pass the `-w` option to cabal in order to get the options, or at least that's part of the reason
2020-03-25 13:52:05	alanz	mpickering, I was also seeing that. And I enabled haddock generation in my ~/.cabal/config, so it runs haddock for every dep too. Which is craszy
2020-03-25 13:52:24	alanz	(on my multi rebased branch)
2020-03-25 13:55:46	jneira_	And adding the cabal-helper cradle which already configures the project it will be worse :-/
2020-03-25 13:56:50	alanz	jneira_, well, the current situation needs to be fixed, fundamentally
2020-03-25 13:59:14	jneira_	sure, but the fix does not have to take in account the hls use of cabal-helper (but it would be great)
2020-03-25 13:59:48	alanz	ok
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2020-03-25 14:16:49	mpickering	Is this worse than before?
2020-03-25 14:18:09	mpickering	I was thinking not
2020-03-25 14:22:22	dxld	I was planning to let c-h force build tools to use a different build directory a while ago
2020-03-25 14:22:36	dxld	not sure if I ever ended up implementing that or not
2020-03-25 14:29:48	dxld	it does look like I did
2020-03-25 14:30:19	dxld	all you'd really have to do is specify a different DistDir
2020-03-25 14:43:57	mpickering	right, if we think that is sensible then we can easily do that in hie-bios as well
2020-03-25 14:47:50	dxld	it kind of sucks because we're creating new build directories the user doesn't know about
2020-03-25 14:48:25	dxld	my hope was that we could get cabal/stack to recognize hie as a different type of compiler and namespace inside their normal build dirs accordingly
2020-03-25 14:48:42	dxld	but I suppose that's mostly cosmetic..
2020-03-25 14:48:48	mpickering	Yeah, I think we will get there
2020-03-25 14:49:10	mpickering	for now a separate dist folder seems fine to me
2020-03-25 14:49:20	mpickering	we already create a separate .hi folder and so on
2020-03-25 14:49:33	dxld	I think as a stopgap it's something we can do right now and get rid of this kind of breakage
2020-03-25 14:53:35	dxld	then again maybe just figuring out a better way to detect the right -w compiler option to use would be better
2020-03-25 14:54:22	dxld	though, if the user just happens to use a different compiler there's probably no real way around reconfiguring
2020-03-25 14:54:27	dxld	at least with v1 and stack
2020-03-25 14:55:02	mpickering	How does it detect whether to reconfigure?
2020-03-25 14:55:18	mpickering	because we should behave exactly like the normal compiler until the final moment where --interactive is passed
2020-03-25 14:55:26	mpickering	Is it to do with the name?
2020-03-25 14:55:27	dxld	hang on stack also namespaces builddirs by compilers, no?
2020-03-25 14:55:55	dxld	well cabal probably just rebuilds whenever the string for the -w option changes
2020-03-25 14:56:07	dxld	not sure if it takes ghc --info into account
2020-03-25 14:56:52	mpickering	so we could do some hackery with `PATH` 
2020-03-25 14:57:06	mpickering	put the wrapper script in a tempdir, modify PATH to point to that dir
2020-03-25 14:57:10	dxld	what I want to know is why we're setting -w in the first place
2020-03-25 14:57:16	mpickering	and name the wrapper `ghc`
2020-03-25 14:57:21	dxld	I mean I get its to do ghc version matching
2020-03-25 14:57:29	dxld	but it still seems odd to do it this way
2020-03-25 14:57:34	mpickering	Because that's how the options to the repl are intercepted
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2020-03-25 14:57:59	dxld	ah right
2020-03-25 14:58:05	dxld	but that only applies to hie-bios then
2020-03-25 14:58:10	mpickering	yeah
2020-03-25 15:00:43	alanz	dxld, mpickering I agree that a separate folder makes sense
2020-03-25 15:01:03	dxld	actually I vaguely remember cabal actually checking the ghc executable's modtime
2020-03-25 15:01:14	dxld	so have fun with interposing a script there
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2020-03-25 15:01:30	dxld	but I'd have to check the code it's been a while since I looked at that
2020-03-25 15:03:44	mpickering	ok, it's an easy patch.. just need to pass one more option to cabal when calling it from hie-bios
2020-03-25 15:04:17	wz1000	also have to decide what to call it
2020-03-25 15:04:29	dxld	this will double the storage requirements for the build products though, just saying
2020-03-25 15:04:50	wz1000	and warn people about it so they can .gitignore and so on
2020-03-25 15:06:14	alanz	perhaps it can be an option, and either set it to the same or a custom dir
2020-03-25 15:06:28	alanz	in the cradle config?
2020-03-25 15:06:44	dxld	I think an option seems sensible too
2020-03-25 15:07:14	dxld	without doing a lot of research about why and when this happens just doing the builddir thing does seem a bit heavy handed
2020-03-25 15:08:07	alanz	To me it makes sense too, I can forsee a scenario where I am manually managing my build dir, and do not want to fight the tools for it
2020-03-25 15:08:43	alanz	and e.g. running a cradle with ghc 8.6.5 while working manually with ghc 8.8.3, to make sure I am not breaking the CPP logic along the way
2020-03-25 15:09:05	alanz	which I have done in the past on e.g. ghc-exactprint, run hie with stack while building with cabal
2020-03-25 15:09:18	wz1000	I remember a long time ago with HIE I sometimes ran into weird crashes if HIE was recompiling while stack/cabal build was running
2020-03-25 15:09:34	dxld	uff
2020-03-25 15:09:38	dxld	that's not surprising
2020-03-25 15:09:39	wz1000	I never bothered to investigate because race conditions scare me
2020-03-25 15:09:46	dxld	technically we should be locking the build directory :)
2020-03-25 15:09:52	wz1000	but I think this should fix it
2020-03-25 15:10:05	dxld	ghc is not built to withstand multiple instances mucking about in a builddir
2020-03-25 15:10:52	dxld	but actually doing that would require cooperation from stack and cabal so no easy way to do it
2020-03-25 15:11:13	alanz	so having a separate dir for the tooling makes sense
2020-03-25 15:11:30	dxld	I just wish we could at least share dependencies or something
2020-03-25 15:11:45	dxld	having two full builds sitting around is pretty wasteful
2020-03-25 15:11:55	alanz	yes, but predictable
2020-03-25 15:12:05	dxld	s/dependencies/project local dependencies/
2020-03-25 15:12:31	alanz	I recall getting really frustrated when trying to work on a cabal project with ghc 8.8 and hie kept reconfiguring it with ghc 8.6.5
2020-03-25 15:12:36	wz1000	but you want to load project local dependencies into your editor
2020-03-25 15:13:16	dxld	sure but the build products don't need to be there twice
2020-03-25 15:13:37	dxld	this is really only a concern for non-leaf packages
2020-03-25 15:13:52	wz1000	they do though
2020-03-25 15:13:57	dxld	which actually need to be built by cabal so we can configure the leaf package
2020-03-25 15:14:16	wz1000	because you want to edit and rebuilt dependencies just like your main project
2020-03-25 15:14:27	dxld	hmm
2020-03-25 15:14:53	dxld	yeah, but as long as just one entity is rebuilding them everything is fine
2020-03-25 15:14:56	wz1000	just treat everything you write permission to the source for as one big project
2020-03-25 15:15:12	dxld	ideally we'd lock the distdir telling the other instance of the build system we're already doing it
2020-03-25 15:15:45	dxld	and then it can wait for us to finish without failing and you get the same no-multiple-writers effect as with multiple builddirs
2020-03-25 15:16:21	mpickering	I don't think setting a different distdir is bad because we already do it for hi files, object files, hie files etc
2020-03-25 15:16:36	mpickering	You can put it in `~/.cache/ghcide`
2020-03-25 15:16:40	dxld	I haven't seen that yet tbh
2020-03-25 15:17:01	dxld	what was the idea for that change then?
2020-03-25 15:19:51	mpickering	because the .hi files you make are built with different options than the build tool would build normally
2020-03-25 15:20:04	mpickering	or at least you can't guarantee they are the same, it's just more robust
2020-03-25 15:21:07	dxld	I mean, ideally they wouldn't be, but yeah ;)
2020-03-25 15:22:02	dxld	at the end of the day it's not my decision to make, I'm just trying to offer some perspective
2020-03-25 15:22:10	mpickering	sure it's useful
2020-03-25 15:22:20	mpickering	ghcide uses way less memory now it uses interface files 
2020-03-25 15:22:30	mpickering	You can load GHC in about 4gb
2020-03-25 15:22:32	dxld	so no HscInteractive?
2020-03-25 15:22:38	mpickering	which is still quite a lot
2020-03-25 15:22:41	dxld	or just allowObjects=True 
2020-03-25 15:23:00	dxld	neat
2020-03-25 15:23:12	mpickering	You can still generate bytecode and object files but not unless you need them
2020-03-25 15:23:19	dxld	I really have to look at what you guys have been up to the last couple of months, been so busy with work :(
2020-03-25 15:23:34	mpickering	dxld: This is my latest discovery - https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/issues/503#issuecomment-603119491
2020-03-25 15:23:51	mpickering	Forcing one thread in ghcide makes most things a lot faster
2020-03-25 15:23:52	dxld	I'm still annoyed I couldn't be in bristol due to work stuff :/
2020-03-25 15:24:04	mpickering	there will be other chances
2020-03-25 15:24:14	dxld	what is that option?
2020-03-25 15:24:18	dxld	a Shake thing?
2020-03-25 15:24:45	mpickering	yeah shake tries to parallelise which works well for rules which take a bit of time
2020-03-25 15:24:53	mpickering	but for very fast rules, it is not good
2020-03-25 15:25:08	dxld	cool
2020-03-25 15:25:20	dxld	keep shaving off thos milliseconds :)
2020-03-25 15:25:34	mpickering	0.7s for hover is still quite bad imo...
2020-03-25 15:33:33	jneira_	i am not an expert in shake, but its advantage seems to be you can write in a declarative way, but performance is less predictable?
2020-03-25 15:34:45	jneira_	maybe i am used to the old(-good?) hie style of handle threads "manually" 
2020-03-25 15:35:02	mpickering	Perhaps, performance is generally better but the scheduler here is too naive 
2020-03-25 15:35:28	mpickering	I have looked at the code and it always creates a thread which runs a single action, never batching things up or reusing threads
2020-03-25 15:35:56	wz1000	isn't ghc's scheduler supposed to handle that
2020-03-25 15:36:04	wz1000	green threads and whatnot
2020-03-25 15:36:45	mpickering	It throttles itself to not fork more threads than cores, which is recommended in the book
2020-03-25 15:37:22	wz1000	is it? which book are we talking about?
2020-03-25 15:37:36	mpickering	If you have a copy, there is an example where they implement a similar problem of parallelising searching a directory
2020-03-25 15:37:43	mpickering	Parallel and Concurrent Programming in haskell
2020-03-25 15:37:47	wz1000	marlows book?
2020-03-25 15:37:48	wz1000	yeah
2020-03-25 15:37:57	mpickering	chapter 13
2020-03-25 15:39:02	mpickering	so it works quite well if you just fork a thread for each work item but they do make it faster with a semaphor
2020-03-25 15:39:06	wz1000	I remember it used to be free online
2020-03-25 15:39:14	wz1000	hmm
2020-03-25 15:39:27	wz1000	now they want me to sign up for a trial
2020-03-25 15:41:45	mpickering	this looks promising https://github.com/srghma/library/blob/master/languages/haskell/Parallel%20and%20Concurrent%20Programming%20in%20Haskell.pdf
2020-03-25 15:42:48	wz1000	got it from libgen
2020-03-25 15:42:59	dxld	hehe libgen to the rescue :)
2020-03-25 15:50:25	mpickering	wz1000: If you want to experiment with this, here is where the thread is forked - https://github.com/ndmitchell/shake/blob/master/src/General/Pool.hs#L83
2020-03-25 15:51:55	wz1000	hmm, time to build ghcide
2020-03-25 15:52:20	mpickering	I would advice using threadscope to look, it makes it really clear
2020-03-25 15:52:29	mpickering	Just build with `-eventlog` and run with `+RTS -l`
2020-03-25 15:52:45	mpickering	I tried taking more than one thing off the Heap at once but that made no difference
2020-03-25 15:53:07	wz1000	how are you measure the hover/boot times?
2020-03-25 15:53:09	mpickering	What they do in the book is if there's no thread available then just run the action in the current thread
2020-03-25 15:53:18	wz1000	yeah I saw
2020-03-25 15:53:21	mpickering	You can see in threadscope
2020-03-25 15:53:30	mpickering	ghcide also reports the time when you hover
2020-03-25 15:54:16	wz1000	I have to build with profiling?
2020-03-25 15:54:21	mpickering	no
2020-03-25 15:54:24	mpickering	just `-eventlog`
2020-03-25 15:54:36	wz1000	hmm
2020-03-25 15:55:10	mpickering	I would also just try seeing what happens if you fork a thread for every action and letting GHC's scheduler do it's thing
2020-03-25 15:55:23	mpickering	that would remove the need for a lot of the logic
2020-03-25 15:55:26	wz1000	yeah thats what I was planning
2020-03-25 15:55:54	mpickering	so `addPool` can just fork a thread probably
2020-03-25 16:03:49	wz1000	mpickering: do you have a cabal hie.yaml for ghcide?
2020-03-25 16:04:13	mpickering	You just change stack to cabal and rename the component
2020-03-25 16:04:32	wz1000	lib:ghcide?
2020-03-25 16:04:40	mpickering	just ghcide will work I believe
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2020-03-25 18:07:09	tommd	Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.
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2020-03-25 19:30:47	wz1000	mpickering: I don't really notice a difference, hover seems to take about 0.12s in either case
2020-03-25 19:30:58	wz1000	wait, I'll send you the eventlogs
2020-03-25 19:31:07	mpickering	how big are the eventlogs?
2020-03-25 19:31:10	mpickering	which project is this?
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2020-03-25 19:32:07	wz1000	ghcide itself
2020-03-25 19:32:31	wz1000	3 and 12 m
2020-03-25 19:33:50	mpickering	sure I will look
2020-03-25 19:34:06	mpickering	If you don't dare install threadscope 
2020-03-25 19:34:10	wz1000	mpickering: this is the diff
2020-03-25 19:34:12	wz1000	https://gist.github.com/wz1000/fb590f96d59317c844705c5931af7ece
2020-03-25 19:34:24	wz1000	i installed it, but I don't really know how to interpret the results
2020-03-25 19:34:31	mpickering	ok, then send them to me
2020-03-25 19:34:36	mpickering	and we can have a call if you like to talk about them
2020-03-25 19:35:28	wz1000	mpickering: was that change what you had in mind?
2020-03-25 19:35:35	mpickering	that is an interesting way to fix it
2020-03-25 19:35:44	mpickering	I imagined just spawning the working in `addPool`
2020-03-25 19:36:04	mpickering	which will remove the whole need for the semaphore
2020-03-25 19:36:17	wz1000	I wanted to try the most minimal change first
2020-03-25 19:36:32	mpickering	sure let me look at the log then
2020-03-25 19:36:54	wz1000	yeah they're uploading
2020-03-25 19:37:23	wz1000	my upspeed is terrible. Just 1mbit and the ISP has no better plans
2020-03-25 19:37:32	wz1000	for upspeed that is
2020-03-25 19:37:51	mpickering	ok I'm glad the logs are not 900mb then :) 
2020-03-25 19:37:53	mpickering	or even bigger
2020-03-25 19:37:59	wz1000	mpickering: this is original: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/fb590f96d59317c844705c5931af7ece
2020-03-25 19:38:25	wz1000	mpickering: this is with the change: https://gist.github.com/wz1000/fb590f96d59317c844705c5931af7ece
2020-03-25 19:38:29	wz1000	no
2020-03-25 19:38:44	wz1000	I messed that up
2020-03-25 19:38:48	wz1000	that link is with the change
2020-03-25 19:39:00	wz1000	this is original: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TkD6IAav3l2vSXECjdiNYCfYvLy-9a6y
2020-03-25 19:40:29	mpickering	`ghcide-normal.eventlog` looks bad, like I expected
2020-03-25 19:40:45	wz1000	why do you say that?
2020-03-25 19:40:58	mpickering	call?
2020-03-25 19:41:14	wz1000	ok, how?
2020-03-25 19:41:16	mpickering	then I can screen share
2020-03-25 19:41:21	wz1000	sure
2020-03-25 19:41:24	mpickering	zoom, I will send you a link
2020-03-25 19:42:46	mpickering	https://us04web.zoom.us/j/493063254
2020-03-25 19:43:21	wz1000	wait I have to install the app
2020-03-25 19:43:45	mpickering	you can use it in the browser
2020-03-25 19:44:14	wz1000	hmm it just showed me a download link
2020-03-25 19:44:32	wz1000	do I have to use chrome?
2020-03-25 19:45:28	mpickering	No idea, I am using chrome
2020-03-25 19:45:45	wz1000	almost installed anyway
2020-03-25 19:45:55	mpickering	I got the impression it worked with anything
2020-03-25 19:46:00	mpickering	do you have the eventlog with the changes?
2020-03-25 19:46:12	wz1000	yeah, the other link i sent
2020-03-25 19:46:19	mpickering	I think you failed in that one
2020-03-25 19:46:20	wz1000	ghcide-unlimited
2020-03-25 19:46:30	wz1000	first one
2020-03-25 19:46:30	mpickering	you sent the diff 3 times
2020-03-25 19:46:35	wz1000	oh
2020-03-25 19:46:50	wz1000	https://drive.google.com/open?id=12PiJXPU3erD57Z2E1QLy1eYhU88FgCja
2020-03-25 19:46:56	wz1000	that should be it
2020-03-25 20:10:20	wz1000	mpickering: so I got it to go a lot faster but the threadscope still looks the same
2020-03-25 20:13:06	wz1000	https://gist.github.com/wz1000/c256484a285fa598ff9839ae6811fc34
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2020-03-25 20:14:45	wz1000	hover is pretty much instant: 0.00 secs
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2020-03-25 20:18:15	wz1000	but yeah, it seems we spend most of the time in overhead from the shake scheduler
2020-03-25 20:19:25	wz1000	mpickering: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RL50TDKpQEYcvqCXA2m0C-5qclDD4A2m
2020-03-25 20:22:24	wz1000	but still no concurrency :(
2020-03-25 20:22:33	wz1000	it gets to using 2 cores sometimes though
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2020-03-25 21:26:48	mpickering	why do you use `newThreadFinally` with a `pure ()` continuation?
2020-03-25 21:27:00	mpickering	Do you not have to write to a barrier somewhere when the thread is complete?
2020-03-25 21:28:00	mpickering	What is going on with this eventlog?
2020-03-25 21:38:34	mpickering	Looks like it is mostly scheduling on one thread because the actions are so fast they have finished before the next one is triggered
2020-03-25 22:05:36	mpickering	So this is wrong, but I can definitely see hover is faster with your patch
2020-03-25 22:07:11	wz1000	mpickering: if I just use forkIO i run into this: https://github.com/ndmitchell/shake/blob/master/src/Development/Shake/Internal/Core/Build.hs#L114
2020-03-25 22:07:19	wz1000	constantly and nothing gets loaded
2020-03-25 22:07:20	mpickering	yeah I tried it
2020-03-25 22:07:41	mpickering	it's because newThreadFinally masks async exceptions
2020-03-25 22:08:33	mpickering	hmm maybe not
2020-03-25 22:09:34	mpickering	You should modify `addPool` and `Pool` so that  Pool has a `Var Int` which keeps tracks of how many threads are running 
2020-03-25 22:09:52	mpickering	and then once the variable is 0, it writes to the barrier signalling we are done
2020-03-25 22:10:16	mpickering	and in forkFinally, if one of the threads raises an exception, right that to the barrier
2020-03-25 22:11:05	wz1000	hmm. is there anything wrong with the current approach?
2020-03-25 22:11:10	mpickering	but this this change ghcide is actually usable on GHC, I assume there was some motivation for Neil to write the code like this
2020-03-25 22:11:22	mpickering	yes, if one of the threads throws an exception it is just lost?
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2020-03-25 22:11:29	wz1000	yeah, its quite a dramatic speedup, no?
2020-03-25 22:11:52	mpickering	and also you are not waiting for all the threads to finish
2020-03-25 22:12:03	mpickering	which perhaps is ok, perhaps not
2020-03-25 22:12:15	mpickering	as I looked at some calls to addPool and they write into a barrier themselves
2020-03-25 22:12:20	wz1000	probably OK for the IDE
2020-03-25 22:12:49	wz1000	yeah, i figured since we aren't using the Pool anyway that wasn't necessary
2020-03-25 22:13:20	mpickering	I am wondering how this works at all though? because in `runPool` there is a call to `waitBarrier`, so why do we not block there?
2020-03-25 22:14:32	wz1000	the action that consumes the pool gets run before
2020-03-25 22:14:51	wz1000	and then whenever actPool is called a new thread is forked
2020-03-25 22:15:07	wz1000	so waitBarrier blocks, but it doesn't matter because all the actions run anyway
2020-03-25 22:15:56	mpickering	ok but this will break the "pool finished" case in run pool
2020-03-25 22:16:14	mpickering	and also you do need to check if the result is an exception and write that to the barrier?
2020-03-25 22:16:15	wz1000	I guess
2020-03-25 22:16:28	mpickering	I admit, not the most critical thing in the world
2020-03-25 22:16:33	wz1000	how about I just delete all of runPool
2020-03-25 22:16:45	wz1000	pass the action a dummy pool
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2020-03-25 22:16:54	wz1000	leave addPool as it is
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2020-03-25 22:17:08	wz1000	type Pool = ()
2020-03-25 22:17:12	mpickering	No, keep the pool
2020-03-25 22:17:18	mpickering	this logic about exceptions is already there
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2020-03-25 22:17:38	mpickering	also this bit about cleaning up child threads seems important
2020-03-25 22:18:17	wz1000	hmm. it seems that cancellation work as usual with my changes
2020-03-25 22:18:38	wz1000	which is handled by async exceptions
2020-03-25 22:18:47	mpickering	So in `addPool`, just call `forkFinally` - write the exception to the barrier if one happens, and modify the svar to add the threadid of the newly created thread. 
2020-03-25 22:19:15	mpickering	I think the issue is that if you fork a thread, then kill the parent thread, the child thread isn't killed
2020-03-25 22:19:28	mpickering	it will be noticeable if you have a long running io action I think
2020-03-25 22:20:00	wz1000	and leak memory?
2020-03-25 22:20:13	mpickering	Yeah the external thread will just keep running until it finishes
2020-03-25 22:20:24	mpickering	which if you have called an external process is bad
2020-03-25 22:20:39	mpickering	also I would try keeping a track of the thread count after making the thread in runpool
2020-03-25 22:20:54	wz1000	for instrumenting?
2020-03-25 22:21:01	mpickering	Yeah, so that the Pool finished stuff works
2020-03-25 22:21:08	mpickering	and if it's not that much slower, might as well
2020-03-25 22:21:16	mpickering	If it is a lot slower, that's also interesting :) 
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2020-03-25 22:22:11	wz1000	ok. I have to write my deepspec summer school application now, so I'll get to this after that.
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2020-03-25 22:22:21	wz1000	hopefully the virus doesn't kill that off too
2020-03-25 22:22:53	mpickering	the US is a disaster so I expect it will
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2020-03-25 22:23:53	wz1000	its in July, so hopefully it just kills off whoever it has to by then
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2020-03-25 22:29:21	fendor	mpickering, in wip/multi-rebase, you are setting a fake unit id. Why does it still work, when a package depends on two inplace package that define a module with the same name?
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2020-03-25 22:30:25	mpickering	well that situation wouldn't work if you depended on both those packages and tried to import it without PackageImports?
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2020-03-25 22:31:13	fendor	but if I depend on both, arent the modules still in scope somehow? 
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2020-03-25 22:32:21	fendor	or are conflicting in any way?
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2020-03-25 22:34:19	mpickering	Then how would this work normally?
2020-03-25 22:34:47	mpickering	If I depend on P1 and P2 and both define module A, then if you import it you have to use `PackageImports` to disambiguate `P1` and `P2`
2020-03-25 22:36:40	fendor	I assumed that these packages reside in a different scope and as I understood it, yo are putting these all in the same scope
2020-03-25 22:36:57	fendor	but I am not sure what I mean with "scope"
2020-03-25 22:44:40	mpickering	Not sure what the situation you are imagining is
2020-03-25 22:44:49	mpickering	You can still load package P1 and P2 into the same EPS
2020-03-25 22:44:53	mpickering	then there is a mask for for component
2020-03-25 22:44:58	mpickering	which says which packages are in scope
2020-03-25 22:45:03	mpickering	depending what -package flags are passed
2020-03-25 22:46:52	fendor	I am just trying to piece it together and I am pretty slow atm.
2020-03-25 22:47:11	fendor	so where do inplace packages land in EPS as well?
2020-03-25 22:47:39	mpickering	yeah
2020-03-25 22:48:33	fendor	ok, that is the problem in my mental path. I assumed, for no particular reason, that it would be in HPT, but after reading documentation for HPT, it is apparent that there is no reason it should be in HPT
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2020-03-25 23:00:11	mpickering	well it's more complicated than that
2020-03-25 23:00:15	mpickering	inplace packages will be in EPS
2020-03-25 23:00:32	mpickering	but once we start managing that component it does into HPT
2020-03-25 23:01:50	mpickering	you are right that this could be broken
2020-03-25 23:02:01	mpickering	but the module finding logic is implemented in ghcide and doesn't really care about the hpt
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2020-03-25 23:06:30	fendor	just learned the difference between -package and -package-id 
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2020-03-25 23:45:34	fendor	mpickering, as I understand it, we have one hscEnv per inplace component, and ghcide figures out how they relate to each other?
2020-03-25 23:45:48	mpickering	No
2020-03-25 23:45:56	mpickering	There is only one HscEnv per hie.yaml file
2020-03-25 23:46:06	mpickering	which certain parts are replaced when compiling specific components
2020-03-25 23:46:18	mpickering	ghcide figures out how they are related by looking at the package-id flags
2020-03-25 23:46:59	fendor	where do you put it actually into the same hscEnv?
2020-03-25 23:47:23	mpickering	it = ?
2020-03-25 23:47:31	fendor	all the local components 
2020-03-25 23:57:32	mpickering	You make an HscEnv
2020-03-25 23:57:37	mpickering	and then compile each component in it
2020-03-25 23:57:43	mpickering	which has the effect of populating the EPS
2020-03-26 00:03:18	fendor	you obtain the hscEnv session by `use_ GhcSession fp`, right? This gives you a HscEnvEq, which has been created by `new_cache` in `exe/Main.hs`. Then this `HscEnvEq` is put into the shake graph
2020-03-26 00:08:05	fendor	ok, I think I understand, thank you!
2020-03-26 00:10:11	wz1000	I think in HIE we swap out hscEnvs per component
2020-03-26 00:10:26	wz1000	the cradle cache stuff 
2020-03-26 00:10:50	fendor	yeah
2020-03-26 00:14:11	fendor	btw, does that only work because of dxld's previous gsoc, or is that unrelated to multi-session per thread?
2020-03-26 00:15:55	mpickering	Not sure very much towards multi-session actually happened on that gsoc
2020-03-26 00:16:03	mpickering	I think we did some work on downsweep and then a new profiling mode
2020-03-26 00:16:06	mpickering	and then that was the end
2020-03-26 00:18:12	fendor	ok why does it work then in hie? Did it work before that gsoc, too, or is it not related?
2020-03-26 00:20:11	wz1000	it worked before gsoc too
2020-03-26 00:21:00	wz1000	I just decided to implement it and it happened to work. I think mpickering redid it when he implemented hie-bios
2020-03-26 00:21:53	wz1000	i think its very hacky though
2020-03-26 00:21:59	fendor	why is it hacky?
2020-03-26 00:22:18	wz1000	the name cache and eps aren't shared i think
2020-03-26 00:22:36	wz1000	we just reinitialize the a new hscenv per component
2020-03-26 00:22:45	wz1000	or per directory even
2020-03-26 00:23:32	wz1000	so if we have compilation data(like typechecked modules) from different sessions they might not be consistent with each other
2020-03-26 00:23:52	wz1000	so things like uniques may overlap
2020-03-26 00:24:45	wz1000	or might not be the same if two things in two different modules refer to the same name (but because both modules are compiled by different hscenvs they might not use the same unique for that name)
2020-03-26 00:24:48	wz1000	things like that
2020-03-26 00:24:52	wz1000	I'm not really sure
2020-03-26 00:25:18	wz1000	I just have this suspicion that things will go wrong somewhere
2020-03-26 00:27:17	fendor	just to clarify, you mean the implementation in hie is hacky, not the implementation in ghc, right?
2020-03-26 00:27:38	wz1000	yes
2020-03-26 00:27:47	fendor	ok, yeah, that is hacky
2020-03-26 00:27:57	fendor	and doesnt really work cross component
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2020-03-26 00:51:18	alanz	mpickering, my problem with excessive reconfiguring is from having a cradle not listing the new files. So I think it is the issue you mentioned on the call, reconfiguring all on a single unknown file
2020-03-26 00:55:36	mpickering	Is this an issue in your cabal file then?
2020-03-26 00:57:35	alanz	no, my cradle. Just testing it. It kept trying to load exe/Utils.hs, which is new.
2020-03-26 00:57:42	alanz	my cradle is not updated for it
2020-03-26 00:58:26	mpickering	What cradle type?
2020-03-26 00:58:31	alanz	cabal
2020-03-26 00:58:49	mpickering	So exe/Utils.hs is not in the cabal file?
2020-03-26 00:59:30	alanz	https://gist.github.com/alanz/543b056c37fdbe9d4fc28751b29ca700#file-gistfile1-txt-L33
2020-03-26 00:59:58	alanz	I am still investigating
2020-03-26 01:00:45	alanz	but adding that to the cradle stopped the continual re-configureing. With my current wip branch on hls
2020-03-26 01:00:59	alanz	(using it on itself)
2020-03-26 01:01:08	alanz	odd thing is, I don't have that file.
2020-03-26 01:01:26	alanz	at the hls level. It does exist at ghcide. I will dig some more
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2020-03-26 01:02:56	alanz	hmm, maybe not. was definitely thrashing on a exe/Utils.hs, reconfigured for it a couple of times in a row as I watched the stderr
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2020-03-26 02:49:18	hexagoxel	I'll announce it here too: I am gonna do a bit of live coding on brittany at twitch.tv/hexagoxel
2020-03-26 02:52:01	alanz	hexagoxel, nice
2020-03-26 02:52:48	fendor	hexagoxel, already watching
2020-03-26 02:52:53	alanz	I reckon I switch context to other random stuff too much to do that.
2020-03-26 02:53:45	alanz	I'm trying to see evidence of hie/ghcide etc
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2020-03-26 12:45:46	mpickering	wz1000:  did you make any more progress yet, I'm interested!
2020-03-26 12:45:51	mpickering	No problem if not
2020-03-26 12:48:44	wz1000	mpickering: not yet, I'll try again today. I almost finished my deepspec application but then the website logged me out and I lost all of it
2020-03-26 12:49:12	wz1000	now I'm halfway through my offline rewrite
2020-03-26 13:06:56	mpickering	I was thinking this morning a good way forward would be to abstract over the scheduler
2020-03-26 13:07:16	mpickering	then it is much more likely this will get merged
2020-03-26 13:09:31	wz1000	what is it?
2020-03-26 13:10:17	wz1000	also we need to figure out exactly in what scenarios the shake scheduler is better
2020-03-26 13:10:34	wz1000	if any, that is
2020-03-26 13:10:54	mpickering	ah, your patch
2020-03-26 13:11:11	mpickering	yes "if any" but because Neil wrote it it's easier to generalise it, and then switch it off everywhere
2020-03-26 13:11:26	mpickering	just from a political position
2020-03-26 13:12:07	wz1000	I think if, for example, building ghc is faster without it, then it makes no sense to keep it all
2020-03-26 13:12:16	mpickering	you mean using Hadrian?
2020-03-26 13:12:18	wz1000	yeah
2020-03-26 13:12:23	mpickering	yeah we can try it
2020-03-26 13:13:11	wz1000	what abstraction are you thinking off?
2020-03-26 13:13:50	mpickering	either choosing the old scheduler
2020-03-26 13:13:53	mpickering	or just calling forkIO
2020-03-26 13:14:11	wz1000	with a boolean flag?
2020-03-26 13:14:20	mpickering	you would add more stuff to `Pool`
2020-03-26 13:14:33	wz1000	a flag to pool?
2020-03-26 13:14:42	mpickering	so I suppose you pass in a function which is a similar type to `addPool`?
2020-03-26 13:14:54	mpickering	and invoke that when `addPool` is called
2020-03-26 13:15:00	mpickering	and some initial state perhaps
2020-03-26 13:15:11	wz1000	hmm
2020-03-26 13:15:59	wz1000	seems pretty convoluted though. I can't imagine people will be writing custom schedulers beyond Neil's and GHC's
2020-03-26 13:16:38	wz1000	why not just a boolean?
2020-03-26 13:16:44	mpickering	You might want to do something more complicated in future if you have some long running actions and lots of short running actions. You could send all the short actions to one thread for example and use forkIO for long running things
2020-03-26 13:17:15	mpickering	also seems a nicer implementation :) 
2020-03-26 13:17:16	wz1000	ok, but how do you know if an action is long or short? addPool just gets IO ()
2020-03-26 13:17:48	wz1000	we would need to generalize over the action type also if this has to make sense
2020-03-26 13:17:52	mpickering	At the moment you don't but the user could communicate it
2020-03-26 13:18:49	wz1000	yeah so we would need to be able to parameterise over the action type
2020-03-26 13:21:19	mpickering	I am sure there is somewhere in shake you could add a field
2020-03-26 13:22:04	mpickering	perhaps in the `Key` data type
2020-03-26 13:22:18	mpickering	or `Value`
2020-03-26 13:23:45	wz1000	I think we can start by adding a type parameter to Pool, and propagate that upwards as necessary 
2020-03-26 13:23:55	mpickering	why is a type parameter necessary?
2020-03-26 13:24:14	wz1000	for the type of the actions?
2020-03-26 13:24:31	mpickering	I don't see why you need that
2020-03-26 13:24:37	mpickering	The action type is always `IO ()`? 
2020-03-26 13:24:41	wz1000	If its just IO () then it doesn't really make sense to expose such a general mechanism for scheduling
2020-03-26 13:24:55	mpickering	I'm not following this logic
2020-03-26 13:25:11	mpickering	You can make it `(Bool, IO ())` and still not expose a type parameter
2020-03-26 13:25:22	mpickering	I suppose your point is
2020-03-26 13:25:27	mpickering	that if you don't expose the type parameter
2020-03-26 13:25:37	mpickering	then any scheduler will be a bit limited by whatever type we choose
2020-03-26 13:25:41	wz1000	yes
2020-03-26 13:25:46	mpickering	for the notion of priority
2020-03-26 13:26:10	mpickering	but if you don't fix something, then this choice will propagate all the way to the user interface
2020-03-26 13:26:23	mpickering	so you won't be able to switch in/out schedulers
2020-03-26 13:26:33	wz1000	why?
2020-03-26 13:26:37	mpickering	perhaps something like (Int, IO ()) where the int is the number of nanoseconds we expect the action to run for
2020-03-26 13:26:42	mpickering	Or `Maybe Int`
2020-03-26 13:26:56	wz1000	the user can instantiate with whatever scheduler they see fit
2020-03-26 13:27:14	mpickering	but then they have to say how this priority value is computed for all their rules
2020-03-26 13:28:22	mpickering	anyway do what you think is right
2020-03-26 13:28:40	wz1000	yeah. So if they choose to use IO () then they can use Neils or GHCs scheduler. I don't see any other viable alternatives
2020-03-26 13:28:43	mpickering	but I predict a minimal change which allows you to choose which scheduler will be the easiest to get merged
2020-03-26 13:29:16	wz1000	I'll try removing it altogether and benchmarking a compile of GHC
2020-03-26 13:29:34	wz1000	if it makes it worse, I'll generalize
2020-03-26 13:29:54	wz1000	otherwise I think we have a very strong case for just removing it altogether
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2020-03-26 18:22:42	wz1000	mpickering: with forkIO how is it possible to signal a barrier to know that all the threads are done?
2020-03-26 18:23:13	wz1000	oh, got it
2020-03-26 18:23:22	wz1000	we maintain a list of active threads
2020-03-26 18:23:43	wz1000	so whenever I remove a thread I check if it is empty, and in that case signal that the pool is empy
2020-03-26 18:23:45	wz1000	*empty
2020-03-26 18:43:43	wz1000	mpickering: https://github.com/wz1000/shake/tree/no-scheduler
2020-03-26 18:43:56	wz1000	seems to be a bit slower with the bookkeeping
2020-03-26 18:44:06	wz1000	but still a lot after than the shake scheduler
2020-03-26 18:44:29	wz1000	0.00 for no bookkeeping, 0.01 with, and 0.12 with the shake scheduler
2020-03-26 18:44:31	wz1000	for hover
2020-03-26 18:44:47	wz1000	s/after/faster/g
2020-03-26 19:08:50	mpickering	I think the version with no book keeping reported incorrect times anyway
2020-03-26 19:10:19	wz1000	why?
2020-03-26 19:10:40	wz1000	it seemed accurate from the threadscope
2020-03-26 19:11:10	wz1000	currently benchmarking ghc
2020-03-26 19:11:26	wz1000	14m12s for a baseline
2020-03-26 19:11:35	wz1000	now lets see what my changes do
2020-03-26 19:12:22	mpickering	because I was using the version before and some of the times were just wildly wrong
2020-03-26 19:12:28	mpickering	and also occasionally ghcide would hang
2020-03-26 19:12:37	wz1000	hmm
2020-03-26 19:12:40	wz1000	try the new one
2020-03-26 19:15:16	wz1000	ok, so I have to backport the patch to 0.18.3
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2020-03-26 19:24:14	wz1000	mpickering: any tips on profiling hadrian? -eventlog?
2020-03-26 19:24:34	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/shake/tree/v0.18.3-no-scheduler
2020-03-26 19:29:59	wz1000	also we should try ben's shiny new Gc
2020-03-26 19:34:55	wz1000	mpickering: surely this counts as a success https://gist.github.com/wz1000/319b289268a2e20079e28e463c3f5993
2020-03-26 19:35:14	mpickering	so it's faster with your scheduler?
2020-03-26 19:35:22	wz1000	yes
2020-03-26 19:35:27	wz1000	see the threadcounts also
2020-03-26 19:35:41	wz1000	try to replicate if you can
2020-03-26 19:36:00	mpickering	for hadrian?
2020-03-26 19:36:08	wz1000	yes
2020-03-26 19:36:20	mpickering	sure one sec
2020-03-26 19:38:07	shafox	How can I use the latest ghc for building hie ? 
2020-03-26 19:38:29	wz1000	shafox: pretty sure it won't work just yet
2020-03-26 19:38:44	wz1000	you can try to fix it if you like
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2020-03-26 19:56:57	shafox	wz1000, question is how ?
2020-03-26 19:57:22	wz1000	build it, try to fix the type errors, ask here if you get stuck
2020-03-26 20:00:00	wz1000	you will probably have to get all the gazillion dependencies fixed before though
2020-03-26 20:02:01	wz1000	mpickering: if these results hold up, whats the next step?
2020-03-26 20:02:11	mpickering	make a PR and post on the ghcide issue
2020-03-26 20:02:15	wz1000	remove all the other junk in that file and try to get it merged?
2020-03-26 20:02:15	mpickering	get Pepe to also try the fork
2020-03-26 20:02:37	mpickering	I am verifying your hadrian claims now
2020-03-26 20:02:40	wz1000	we drop the generalization plan?
2020-03-26 20:03:20	mpickering	yeah
2020-03-26 20:06:30	wz1000	cool, I'll get back to it tomorrow. Now I have to make stupid slides for an extremely boring paper I have to present tomorrow that I've been putting off all day
2020-03-26 20:06:52	wz1000	let me know how it goes
2020-03-26 20:13:32	ptival[m]	I'm encountering an annoying issue where the modGraph when I modify a new file is the entire project... one file of which takes a minute to type-check... so I'm basically waiting a minute for editor feedback. Has this every happened to someone?
2020-03-26 20:23:18	wz1000	mpickering: shame that ghc's scheduler doesn't let you set priorities for green threads
2020-03-26 20:23:53	wz1000	because we are losing some functionality here
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2020-03-26 21:12:50	mpickering	doesn't seem to matter at all from our evidence
2020-03-26 21:13:16	mpickering	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/issues/7606
2020-03-26 21:14:32	mpickering	16minutes 4s with your patch
2020-03-26 21:17:09	wz1000	mpickering: without?
2020-03-26 21:17:15	mpickering	running now
2020-03-26 21:20:44	wz1000	extrapolating from 1 result on 1 machine I predict 16m52s
2020-03-26 21:22:11	mpickering	I don't have as many cores as you but I doubt all 12 are ever used to maximum potential
2020-03-26 21:23:08	mpickering	I don't really see how it could be slower tbh
2020-03-26 21:23:18	mpickering	given the evidence so far
2020-03-26 21:23:39	wz1000	I do get some sustained bursts of 100% cpu
2020-03-26 21:24:02	wz1000	like when Cabal and GHC are being compiled together
2020-03-26 21:26:39	wz1000	yeah, it seems to me any scheduling algorithm implemented in Haskell would to worse than the C that lives in the RTS
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2020-03-26 21:28:47	mpickering	If you can exploit domain knowledge then you can probably schedule better, the versions of this program in chapter 13 are faster when using a semaphore
2020-03-26 21:31:19	wz1000	yeah but this seems to be a very naive scheduler
2020-03-26 21:32:27	mpickering	I get a shorter time with the current version
2020-03-26 21:32:33	mpickering	15m52s
2020-03-26 21:33:23	wz1000	hmm. can you share the stats?
2020-03-26 21:33:45	mpickering	I am running it again
2020-03-26 21:34:03	mpickering	I failed slightly the first time as haddock didn't build so I am building the `stage2:exe:ghc-bin` target now
2020-03-26 21:34:29	mpickering	also my computer may have been a bit noisy the first time
2020-03-26 21:35:08	wz1000	I'm also running it again
2020-03-26 21:36:01	wz1000	anything so I can avoid making this presentation
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2020-03-26 21:49:25	mpickering	Second run unpatched is 16m 11s
2020-03-26 21:49:37	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/EnLroae0/
2020-03-26 21:50:45	mpickering	running patched version now
2020-03-26 21:51:07	wz1000	mine was 13m33s
2020-03-26 21:51:50	mpickering	unpatched was faster?
2020-03-26 21:51:54	mpickering	was that a clean tree?
2020-03-26 21:52:16	wz1000	yeah, clean tree
2020-03-26 21:53:14	wz1000	My laptop which turns on all the fans and makes it sound like a jet plane
2020-03-26 21:53:32	wz1000	*has a button
2020-03-26 21:53:40	wz1000	I pressed the button
2020-03-26 21:54:45	wz1000	as an observation, hadrians output seems a lot more "chunky" with the patched version
2020-03-26 22:03:10	wz1000	12m53s
2020-03-26 22:04:30	wz1000	https://gist.github.com/wz1000/1d534e96e6dea4f05acd37904ed14672
2020-03-26 22:04:46	mpickering	I am nearly done over here as well
2020-03-26 22:04:52	mpickering	building stage 1 now
2020-03-26 22:05:07	mpickering	Currently been going for 14m 21s
2020-03-26 22:05:10	mpickering	looks like your patch will win
2020-03-26 22:07:06	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/onqa2OCG/
2020-03-26 22:07:20	mpickering	So not as big a difference for me
2020-03-26 22:07:40	mpickering	I wonder what happens if you force `-j2` or something smaller
2020-03-26 22:08:10	wz1000	hmm. but still worth making the PR?
2020-03-26 22:08:30	wz1000	are you using -j12?
2020-03-26 22:08:37	mpickering	Yeah `-j`
2020-03-26 22:08:43	mpickering	I will test with ghcide now
2020-03-26 22:08:50	wz1000	I thought you said you didn't have as many cores?
2020-03-26 22:10:08	mpickering	well apparently I do
2020-03-26 22:10:11	mpickering	lol
2020-03-26 22:23:23	wz1000	I ran it again without the patch and got 13m02s
2020-03-26 22:24:08	wz1000	so not nearly a 5% improvement
2020-03-26 22:25:40	wz1000	now what do we do?
2020-03-26 22:25:44	mpickering	but it's not worse is it
2020-03-26 22:25:48	wz1000	no
2020-03-26 22:26:01	mpickering	I am just doing something else then will test it in ghcide
2020-03-26 22:26:12	mpickering	if it's much faster, post on the issue and get pepe to try it as well
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2020-03-26 22:47:29	mpickering	optThreads = 1 is still way faster for me
2020-03-26 22:48:13	mpickering	for hovering that is
2020-03-26 22:48:20	mpickering	0.3 vs 1.3 s
2020-03-26 22:50:51	wz1000	how does it compare to the normal scheduler?
2020-03-26 22:51:24	mpickering	I am trying optThreads =2
2020-03-26 22:51:51	mpickering	Initial load is 18s
2020-03-26 22:52:01	wz1000	ghc?
2020-03-26 22:52:43	mpickering	yeah
2020-03-26 22:52:51	mpickering	hover with optThreads=2 is about 0.6-0.7
2020-03-26 22:53:07	mpickering	Now I am trying old impl with optThreads = 1
2020-03-26 22:53:15	mpickering	then I will try optThreads = 0
2020-03-26 22:54:26	wz1000	optThreads shouldn't make a difference with the new impl?
2020-03-26 22:54:39	mpickering	optThreads = 1 is the same with both impls
2020-03-26 22:55:09	mpickering	well it does
2020-03-26 22:55:11	wz1000	the new impl doesn't care about optThreads I think? unless it affects +RTS -N
2020-03-26 22:55:18	mpickering	yes it affects +RTS -N
2020-03-26 22:55:38	mpickering	So what we are seeing here is that for hovering, sticking everything on the same core is way faster
2020-03-26 22:56:24	wz1000	hmm
2020-03-26 22:56:54	wz1000	btw can't we just ask the RTS for stats on number of threads, max threads and stuff?
2020-03-26 22:57:05	wz1000	rather than maintaining it ourselves?
2020-03-26 22:57:45	mpickering	don't notice a difference really with either impl on any performance
2020-03-26 22:58:20	wz1000	hmm. then what were we seeing yesterday?
2020-03-26 22:58:20	mpickering	That's not going to work is it, as you may spawn threads elsewhere in your program
2020-03-26 22:58:42	mpickering	What were you seeing?
2020-03-26 22:58:46	mpickering	That hover was faster?
2020-03-26 22:58:50	wz1000	yes
2020-03-26 22:58:57	wz1000	0.01s vs 0.12s
2020-03-26 22:59:09	wz1000	it should be visible in the eventlogs I sent
2020-03-26 22:59:20	mpickering	I think because the implementation wasn't correct
2020-03-26 22:59:26	mpickering	and didn't signal when all the threads were finished
2020-03-26 22:59:29	mpickering	so the timing data was wrong
2020-03-26 22:59:32	wz1000	new-unlimited is correct
2020-03-26 23:00:14	wz1000	I think
2020-03-26 23:00:31	mpickering	perhaps you should try on GHC as well
2020-03-26 23:02:07	wz1000	ok, i'll try tomorrow
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2020-03-27 01:57:27	fendor	mpickering, fyi, your gsoc proposal is on your github homepage
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2020-03-27 02:01:38	alanz	whose proposal?
2020-03-27 02:02:07	fendor	from 2015
2020-03-27 02:02:12	fendor	for references
2020-03-27 02:02:14	fendor	*reference
2020-03-27 02:02:24	alanz	ah
2020-03-27 02:02:43	alanz	Did a double take, thinking it was for now
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2020-03-27 02:34:26	mpickering	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQtJKJr4hJI
2020-03-27 02:35:15	alanz	which branch?
2020-03-27 02:36:03	mpickering	wip/multi-rebased + some more
2020-03-27 02:36:55	mpickering	thanks fendor good to know
2020-03-27 02:37:37	alanz	great. Are we getting ready for real use?
2020-03-27 02:37:42	alanz	have you pushed it?
2020-03-27 02:39:46	mpickering	other stuff is mostly optThreads = 1
2020-03-27 02:39:55	mpickering	I am going to work on the branch on saturda
2020-03-27 02:40:26	alanz	nice, look forward to seeing it land on master
2020-03-27 02:40:46	alanz	I saw you and wz1000 doing a bunch of stuff during the day
2020-03-27 02:41:28	alanz	I am working on ghc-exactprint, and ghc new annotations at the moment.  While I wait for a stable bit underneath
2020-03-27 02:42:44	alanz	ghc-exactprint travis tests against 15 different GHC versions. Crazy
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2020-03-27 04:24:08	mpickering	wz1000: I am looking at the `Result` type in Shake which records the time the result took to compute
2020-03-27 04:24:22	mpickering	so if you look in `buildRunDependenciesChanged`, you can see that calls `lookupOne` which eventually calls `addPool`
2020-03-27 04:24:30	mpickering	So if you propagate that time downwards to addPool
2020-03-27 04:24:47	mpickering	and then in `addPool` only fork threads for actions which took over a certain time threshold last time they were run
2020-03-27 04:24:56	mpickering	could work well
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2020-03-27 09:56:04	wz1000	mpickering: hmm, I'll try that today. Should we have a separate worker thread for short actions or should we just run them in the main thread?
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2020-03-27 12:29:35	mpickering	wz1000: Don't have any intuition about what is better
2020-03-27 12:29:47	mpickering	Main thread is probably fine
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2020-03-27 15:40:25	wz1000	mpickering: I think I can repurpose the PoolPriority to store the time
2020-03-27 15:40:46	mpickering	ok
2020-03-27 15:41:02	mpickering	the issue with approach is that on the initial run when modules are typechecked they won't get pararrelised 
2020-03-27 15:41:55	wz1000	no, fork everything initially
2020-03-27 15:42:35	wz1000	then if we have an estimate we may choose to not fork
2020-03-27 15:44:37	mpickering	ah good idea
2020-03-27 15:44:50	mpickering	yes because we are more likely to run short actions lots of times
2020-03-27 16:13:03	wz1000	mpickering: https://github.com/wz1000/shake/commit/426f29eabbca89f56f269189fb7419628972ae98
2020-03-27 16:13:16	wz1000	haven't run it yet
2020-03-27 16:17:42	wz1000	hmm, doesn't seem to work at all
2020-03-27 16:17:52	wz1000	what have I screwed up?
2020-03-27 16:18:01	wz1000	something to do with exceptions I'm sure
2020-03-27 16:19:58	mpickering	you probably need to increase the thread count
2020-03-27 16:20:01	mpickering	and write into the barrier
2020-03-27 16:20:13	mpickering	and catch exceptions
2020-03-27 16:20:47	wz1000	what why?
2020-03-27 16:20:53	wz1000	the first two
2020-03-27 16:21:14	wz1000	nothing else knows about the barrier
2020-03-27 16:22:37	mpickering	because in runPool, there is the call to wait for the barrier
2020-03-27 16:22:42	mpickering	which will never get written to in the fast case
2020-03-27 16:23:37	wz1000	we established that that doesn't really matter for ghcide when I did the naive forkIO thing
2020-03-27 16:23:44	mpickering	which didn't work...
2020-03-27 16:23:50	wz1000	because that only comes into play when the IDE is closed
2020-03-27 16:24:17	wz1000	it did give some hover results
2020-03-27 16:24:34	wz1000	as we all know IDEs are never closed, they just run forever
2020-03-27 16:26:04	mpickering	it gave me results but the timing info was all wrong
2020-03-27 16:27:32	wz1000	yeah, but now its not even giving me results
2020-03-27 16:27:46	mpickering	look in threadscope to see what is happening
2020-03-27 16:28:01	mpickering	but it is wrong not catching exceptions anyway
2020-03-27 16:29:31	mpickering	I did try something similar to this already
2020-03-27 16:29:40	mpickering	where it would run the actions in the main thread if there were no available threads 
2020-03-27 16:29:45	mpickering	like as is suggested in the book
2020-03-27 16:29:48	mpickering	and observed what you are seeing
2020-03-27 16:30:04	wz1000	did you figure out why though?
2020-03-27 16:30:08	mpickering	nope
2020-03-27 16:30:15	wz1000	exceptions are supposed to be exceptional
2020-03-27 16:30:34	wz1000	but seems like shake is throwing them all over the place
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2020-03-27 17:02:40	wz1000	mpickering: tried everything I could think off, still doesn't work: https://github.com/wz1000/shake/commit/09e1a9011c1cfdc1d6360fa79a0bbde007e9b3f5
2020-03-27 17:02:57	wz1000	have to step out to get groceries now, will get back to this later
2020-03-27 17:03:17	mpickering	add some traces to see where it gets stuck
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2020-03-27 20:00:22	fendor	does ghc currently have positional arguments?
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2020-03-27 20:11:45	mpickering	no
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2020-03-27 21:51:01	fendor	alanz, mpickering, I added more detail to my proposal: https://hackmd.io/@H5m3j9VQRsiiBdVxBmOCiA/r1DF7tXI8 
2020-03-27 21:52:18	fendor	I am not sure if this needs some stretch goals. Or if I am already stretching
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2020-03-27 22:29:50	mpickering	wz1000: I get `thread blocked indefinitely in an MVar operation` with your branch running the shake test suite
2020-03-27 22:35:24	wz1000	mpickering: interesting. I think a worker thread approach might work
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2020-03-28 14:55:19	wz1000	mpickering: I think I figured out the issue, and it really throws a spanner into the works
2020-03-28 14:56:08	wz1000	maybe not if we use forkOn
2020-03-28 14:56:36	wz1000	but the problem occurs when two threads that are supposed to run concurrently are scheduled to run in the worker thread
2020-03-28 14:56:58	wz1000	say the first takeMVars and the second writeMVars
2020-03-28 14:57:17	wz1000	it should work, but will deadlock if don't forkIO
2020-03-28 14:57:53	wz1000	I guess the solution is to pick a capability, and forkOn short threads always to that capability
2020-03-28 15:15:22	wz1000	mpickering: and it works - the event log looks a lot more dense too - https://github.com/wz1000/shake/commit/b555227d994475ee7e40759210e283016098fa0a
2020-03-28 15:15:42	wz1000	also probably need to play with the threshold a bit
2020-03-28 15:35:59	mpickering	show me an eventlog?
2020-03-28 15:36:18	mpickering	I'll try your patch now
2020-03-28 15:39:14	wz1000	mpickering: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mJkO6hSFcHaTIZrx8-JmNBWQH_dgOdky
2020-03-28 15:41:12	mpickering	how did you discover the issue with the mvars?
2020-03-28 15:43:00	mpickering	yes this version is fast hovering for me
2020-03-28 15:43:30	wz1000	mpickering: I don't know if its mvars specifically, but I implemented a whole worker thread, added a bunch of logging when it didn't work, then though real hard about it
2020-03-28 15:43:35	wz1000	*thought
2020-03-28 15:44:20	wz1000	this is my old attempt: https://github.com/wz1000/shake/commit/66d1931054379cd6a2f4da6ebe217c5a6b92946c
2020-03-28 15:45:48	mpickering	I still have `optThreads = 1` on woops
2020-03-28 15:46:27	wz1000	also the whole ordeal thinking about concurrency and asynchronous exceptions and all made my head hurt. I should really implement a plugin that turns haskell programs into some sort of a model checker spec
2020-03-28 15:48:42	mpickering	this patch seems to work for me
2020-03-28 15:48:57	mpickering	great job
2020-03-28 15:49:20	mpickering	Will it do anything on hadrian? 
2020-03-28 15:49:24	wz1000	the threshold value could probably optimized
2020-03-28 15:49:33	wz1000	no clue
2020-03-28 15:49:37	wz1000	probably not
2020-03-28 15:49:47	mpickering	well I think the duration of rules is stored in the shake db
2020-03-28 15:49:54	mpickering	because otherwise how does the progress reporting work
2020-03-28 15:52:22	mpickering	How did you come up with the threshold value?
2020-03-28 15:52:36	wz1000	it seemed reasonable
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2020-03-28 15:52:53	mpickering	Did you print out how long some of the actions were taking?
2020-03-28 15:53:15	wz1000	no, but I had some idea from staring at the eventlogs
2020-03-28 15:53:24	wz1000	and ghcide prints them out anyway
2020-03-28 15:54:04	mpickering	but the total time
2020-03-28 15:54:16	mpickering	rather than the time for each individual rule
2020-03-28 15:54:45	wz1000	yeah, the issue is that if its high enough it basically becomes optThreads = 1
2020-03-28 15:55:36	wz1000	it should probably be <time to context switch>+delta
2020-03-28 15:56:29	wz1000	I'm concerned its too high currently
2020-03-28 15:57:47	wz1000	looking at the eventlog some stuff is scheduled on the other cores anyway though
2020-03-28 15:58:42	wz1000	but maybe thats because we didn't have an estimate for that stuff
2020-03-28 16:00:44	mpickering	In shake,
2020-03-28 16:01:01	mpickering	add a `traceEvent` call which fires when a rule which has previously fired is scheduled onto another thread
2020-03-28 16:02:11	mpickering	0.15 seems a bit high to me
2020-03-28 16:02:19	mpickering	I would think 0.05 or even smaller would be fine
2020-03-28 16:02:20	wz1000	its 0.05?
2020-03-28 16:02:55	mpickering	ah right
2020-03-28 16:03:00	mpickering	I misremembered
2020-03-28 16:04:30	mpickering	Perhaps since you are already in the eventlog you should try building with 8.10 and then https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/issues/512
2020-03-28 16:04:40	mpickering	ghcide already builds with 8.10 I think
2020-03-28 16:06:31	mpickering	You are right in the eventlog you can see things are forked
2020-03-28 16:09:51	mpickering	wz1000: Can you use `labelThread` as well to label what each of these actions are?
2020-03-28 16:10:10	mpickering	might help us get some intuition about what is getting forked and what isn';t
2020-03-28 16:15:54	wz1000	mpickering: ok, but then I have to push more info down from buildRunDependenciesChanged
2020-03-28 16:16:19	mpickering	yeah, just for debugging, I think it would be interesting
2020-03-28 16:49:19	wz1000	mpickering: what should I be printing out? the shake Id?
2020-03-28 16:51:10	wz1000	the Key I guess
2020-03-28 16:52:21	mpickering	anything which can be used to identify the rule
2020-03-28 16:57:25	mpickering	need to implement a way to turn off typecheck on typing in ghcide
2020-03-28 16:57:31	mpickering	it's just not a good feature 
2020-03-28 16:57:36	mpickering	for working on ghc
2020-03-28 16:58:49	mpickering	Is there something in vscode like a tags file? 
2020-03-28 16:58:57	mpickering	So I can just type the identifier name and it jumps to it?
2020-03-28 16:59:30	wz1000	there is a document symbols thing
2020-03-28 16:59:38	wz1000	but that only works in the same file
2020-03-28 17:00:38	mpickering	This is the most annoying thing I am finding so far about vscode
2020-03-28 17:00:48	mpickering	because I want to jump to the definition of `EvBinds` for example
2020-03-28 17:01:02	mpickering	but then have to find a reference and jump to it
2020-03-28 17:02:28	wz1000	there is a workspace symbols thing that the language server is supposed to implement
2020-03-28 17:02:41	wz1000	but I guess neither HIE or ghcide implement it
2020-03-28 17:02:46	wz1000	it would be easy with hiedb
2020-03-28 17:05:31	wz1000	mpickering: can't see any of the labels in threadscope
2020-03-28 17:05:48	mpickering	send me it?
2020-03-28 17:06:25	mpickering	I thought that the number would be replaced with an identifier
2020-03-28 17:07:23	wz1000	which number?
2020-03-28 17:07:37	mpickering	On the green bars
2020-03-28 17:07:39	mpickering	if you zoom in a lot
2020-03-28 17:07:52	mpickering	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Z0lACWrX/image.png
2020-03-28 17:07:54	wz1000	nope
2020-03-28 17:08:20	wz1000	I pushed my changes to the branch
2020-03-28 17:08:36	wz1000	Do I need to compile with any other options?
2020-03-28 17:10:27	mpickering	I would assume you called labelThread outside the fork
2020-03-28 17:10:46	mpickering	just before `pure $ Thread t bar`
2020-03-28 17:12:18	wz1000	no, inside
2020-03-28 17:12:38	wz1000	but the traceEvents don't show up either
2020-03-28 17:12:53	wz1000	I call it before running the action
2020-03-28 17:12:54	mpickering	I can see you called it inside
2020-03-28 17:13:06	mpickering	but I said you should call it outside 
2020-03-28 17:13:13	wz1000	hmm
2020-03-28 17:14:36	mpickering	can you see the label thread events in the eventlog?
2020-03-28 17:15:30	wz1000	don't think so
2020-03-28 17:16:16	wz1000	https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Z3jnW0PEX2xNTPM8p0mtc2CzJE5hgy21
2020-03-28 17:19:58	wz1000	nope, still don't see any labels
2020-03-28 17:20:02	wz1000	after moving it outside
2020-03-28 17:20:38	mpickering	are you sure it's being called?
2020-03-28 17:22:46	wz1000	yeah, how could it not?
2020-03-28 17:23:02	mpickering	ah you need to link with `-debug`
2020-03-28 17:23:31	mpickering	https://downloads.haskell.org/~ghc/8.4.2/docs/html/libraries/base-4.11.1.0/src/GHC.Conc.Sync.html#labelThread
2020-03-28 17:23:51	wz1000	ah
2020-03-28 17:24:06	wz1000	I have to go for a bit, but I've pushed everything 
2020-03-28 17:41:14	mpickering	I can see the traces if I link with `debug`
2020-03-28 17:44:42	mpickering	If you do "View -> Event Labels" as well you can see more info
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2020-03-29 14:56:22	wz1000	mpickering: I'm thinking of rigging up lsp-test session for ghcide and then doing a search for an optimal value of the threshold, given a score based on weighted boot time and hover time
2020-03-29 14:57:01	wz1000	maybe we might need a different threshold value depending on the number of cores
2020-03-29 14:58:50	mpickering	That is a good idea but lsp-test isn't necessary
2020-03-29 14:59:02	mpickering	You can modify `exe/Main.hs` quite easily to trigger the hover
2020-03-29 14:59:35	mpickering	something like `runActionSync $ getAtPoint ... ...`
2020-03-29 15:17:10	wz1000	did you take a look at the labelled eventlogs?
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2020-03-29 16:10:49	mpickering	yeah I looked a bit
2020-03-29 16:11:48	mpickering	Seemed that 0.05 might be a little small
2020-03-29 16:12:04	mpickering	but mainly made me want to try using 8.10 with the concurrent gc to stop pauses happening during hover
2020-03-29 16:12:37	wz1000	yeah those pauses are very visible on the eventlog
2020-03-29 16:13:33	wz1000	I installed 810 with ghcup yesterday
2020-03-29 16:14:13	wz1000	0.05 is small?
2020-03-29 16:14:40	mpickering	I saw some things like GetModificationTime which were reported to take longer than that
2020-03-29 16:15:19	mpickering	For example `GetFileExists taking 5.23 e-2`
2020-03-29 16:15:27	mpickering	which is just over the threshold
2020-03-29 16:16:05	wz1000	hmm. I thought computers were faster than this
2020-03-29 16:16:25	wz1000	50ms should be plenty of time to do pretty much anything
2020-03-29 16:17:15	mpickering	If you are playing around with the GC then perhaps try enabling the idle GC again
2020-03-29 16:21:20	mpickering	wz1000: Can you also post about what you have been doing on the issue at some point today?
2020-03-29 16:21:24	mpickering	I get the impression Neil has been ignoring it
2020-03-29 16:21:53	wz1000	sure
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2020-03-29 16:25:35	mpickering	thanks
2020-03-29 16:25:47	mpickering	Need any help from me at the moment?
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2020-03-29 16:37:42	wz1000	mpickering: yeah, I still can't get the labels and events to show up in the event log
2020-03-29 16:37:52	mpickering	did you link with debug?
2020-03-29 16:38:00	wz1000	i've added -debug -eventlog to the ghc-options in the in ghcide.cabal
2020-03-29 16:38:21	mpickering	Then `view -> event labels`
2020-03-29 16:38:23	mpickering	and zoom in a lot
2020-03-29 16:38:40	wz1000	great
2020-03-29 16:38:44	wz1000	thanks a lot matthew
2020-03-29 16:39:22	wz1000	but all the labels overlap even if I zoom in as much as possible
2020-03-29 16:39:53	wz1000	and the thread labels?
2020-03-29 16:40:06	wz1000	don't see those either
2020-03-29 16:41:14	wz1000	also why do I only have 5 cores now?
2020-03-29 16:42:29	mpickering	You can see the thread labels in the raw events
2020-03-29 16:42:32	mpickering	if you click in the EL
2020-03-29 16:42:40	mpickering	then click raw events in the bottom panel
2020-03-29 16:44:01	wz1000	this is a terrible ui
2020-03-29 16:45:33	wz1000	wow suddenly it decides I have 12 cores again
2020-03-29 16:45:38	wz1000	I didn't change anything
2020-03-29 16:45:42	mpickering	well done
2020-03-29 16:54:21	wz1000	back to 5 cores
2020-03-29 16:55:02	wz1000	I figured it out
2020-03-29 16:55:18	wz1000	when I turn on event labels I have 5 cores
2020-03-29 16:55:34	wz1000	otherwise I have 12
2020-03-29 17:10:13	wz1000	mpickering: are you going to rewrite threadscope in javascript
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2020-03-29 18:26:49	mpickering	wz1000: Why me?
2020-03-29 18:28:50	mpickering	I think it would be nice though, speedscope.app renders a similar amount odata
2020-03-29 18:28:52	mpickering	*of data
2020-03-29 18:34:39	fendor	wz1000, why not purescript? :P
2020-03-29 18:36:54	mpickering	depends how long the lockdown lasts for
2020-03-29 18:37:57	wz1000	because you already have eventlog2html
2020-03-29 18:38:30	mpickering	That is not really javascript - https://vega.github.io/vega-lite/
2020-03-29 18:38:53	mpickering	I think the amount of data in the eventlog might make vega-lite fall to its knees though
2020-03-29 18:38:59	mpickering	and you would have to render it natively
2020-03-29 19:11:58	mpickering	fendor: Did you say you updated your GSOC proposal?
2020-03-29 19:13:54	fendor	mpickering, yes
2020-03-29 19:15:12	fendor	https://hackmd.io/@H5m3j9VQRsiiBdVxBmOCiA/r1DF7tXI8
2020-03-29 19:40:01	mpickering	LGTM
2020-03-29 19:44:26	fendor	thank you! any ideas for stretch goals, though?
2020-03-29 19:49:22	mpickering	I think there is plentry there
2020-03-29 19:49:29	mpickering	*plenty
2020-03-29 19:50:11	fendor	ok, and estimates are fine?
2020-03-29 19:52:14	mpickering	I think the first task will take longer than 4 weeks
2020-03-29 19:52:21	mpickering	and all the other ones, less than the time you say
2020-03-29 19:52:56	mpickering	There is a lot of things that can go wrong when working on GHC
2020-03-29 19:53:06	mpickering	and if you are not used to it, you can get bogged down
2020-03-29 19:55:47	fendor	Ok, that makes sense. Ill adapt them a bit.
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2020-03-29 21:50:34	mpickering	I feel like I am wasting so much time trying to shoehorn stuff into shake 
2020-03-29 21:50:50	mpickering	spent at least 6 hours now trying to add support back for reloading when dependencies change
2020-03-29 21:55:25	mpickering	and the result is so messy, I hate these "rules" which exist in front of global mutable variables
2020-03-29 21:57:13	wz1000	I haven't really used shake or tried to work on ghcide
2020-03-29 21:57:40	wz1000	but you've hacked on both hie and ghcide
2020-03-29 21:58:10	mpickering	It is better than hie as you are not as closely tied to the API
2020-03-29 21:58:14	mpickering	but worse than my reflex version :) 
2020-03-29 21:58:23	wz1000	the GHC API?
2020-03-29 21:58:28	mpickering	yeah
2020-03-29 21:59:46	wz1000	so you want multithreaded reflex?
2020-03-29 22:00:10	mpickering	as we've also discovered, multiple threads are not necessarily good
2020-03-29 22:00:34	mpickering	My current wish is to finish implementing this feature
2020-03-29 22:00:52	wz1000	which feature?
2020-03-29 22:00:58	mpickering	Moritz and Pepe seem to understand how to program in this way
2020-03-29 22:01:00	mpickering	but it is beyond me
2020-03-29 22:01:10	mpickering	Reloading the session is the cabal file changes
2020-03-29 22:01:21	wz1000	hmm
2020-03-29 22:01:27	wz1000	shouldn't shake make that easy
2020-03-29 22:01:32	wz1000	its a build system
2020-03-29 22:01:40	wz1000	sounds like something right up its alley
2020-03-29 22:02:00	wz1000	but I'm not one to talk about shake
2020-03-29 22:02:06	mpickering	well you might think so
2020-03-29 22:02:08	mpickering	but it's not obvious to me
2020-03-29 22:02:30	mpickering	Moritz seemed to think it should be straightforward as well
2020-03-29 22:02:58	wz1000	isn't there some incantation in the session rule to indicate that you depend on the cabal file?
2020-03-29 22:03:18	wz1000	and then shake automagically takes care of everything?
2020-03-29 22:03:40	mpickering	The `GhcSession` rule always reruns anyway
2020-03-29 22:04:07	mpickering	Because it's back by a map that I manage
2020-03-29 22:04:25	mpickering	So I need a way to trigger an update to the map, if a file changes
2020-03-29 22:04:55	mpickering	Basically there is an IORef (Map FilePath HscEnv)
2020-03-29 22:05:05	mpickering	which is completely changed every time there is a new component
2020-03-29 22:05:32	mpickering	So when the file dependency changes, I want to clear the map
2020-03-29 22:05:41	mpickering	and start again
2020-03-29 22:05:46	mpickering	(at least for now)
2020-03-29 22:06:01	wz1000	sounds reasonable
2020-03-29 22:06:59	mpickering	Yeah but how to you get a file change to trigger the cache getting cleared?
2020-03-29 22:07:09	mpickering	In an FRP library this is so trivial
2020-03-29 22:07:13	mpickering	that it is making me angry
2020-03-29 22:08:31	wz1000	is ghcide listening to cabal file changes?
2020-03-29 22:09:22	mpickering	when a rule runs, shake checks to see if the file has changed from last time
2020-03-29 22:10:18	wz1000	yeah, so why doesn't it work for cabal files?
2020-03-29 22:12:01	mpickering	????
2020-03-29 22:12:50	mpickering	It does work for cabal files, they are normal files
2020-03-29 22:13:11	wz1000	then whats the problem?
2020-03-29 22:14:35	mpickering	So currently I have a `GetSession` rule
2020-03-29 22:14:50	mpickering	which takes a `FilePath` and then consults this map in order to give you the right HscEnv
2020-03-29 22:15:21	wz1000	ok
2020-03-29 22:15:47	mpickering	So now I need to shoehorn a rule in somewhere
2020-03-29 22:16:03	mpickering	The map is currently constructed completely in IO
2020-03-29 22:16:07	mpickering	nothing to do with shake
2020-03-29 22:16:43	mpickering	so now I have to modify it to insert a `use_` somewhere in trigger the map to get cleared if some files change
2020-03-29 22:16:59	mpickering	perhaps I should just keep track myself of the modtime of the file rather than using shake
2020-03-29 22:17:01	mpickering	that would be so much easier
2020-03-29 22:17:34	wz1000	why don't you go deeper into the shake rabbithole and construct the map using shake?
2020-03-29 22:17:53	mpickering	because the whole map changes when you add a new component
2020-03-29 22:18:20	wz1000	you can only add a new component by editing the cabal file, no?
2020-03-29 22:18:39	mpickering	no
2020-03-29 22:18:46	mpickering	in ghcide
2020-03-29 22:18:49	mpickering	not in the cabal file
2020-03-29 22:18:54	mpickering	when you open a file from a new component
2020-03-29 22:18:56	mpickering	it modifies the map
2020-03-29 22:19:06	wz1000	oh
2020-03-29 22:25:11	wz1000	mpickering: if you have any benchmarks/figures, they would be appreciated on the shake hover issue
2020-03-29 22:25:41	mpickering	not written down
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2020-03-29 22:29:03	wz1000	mpickering: from my event logs it looks like approximately 0.2s vs 0.03s
2020-03-29 22:29:34	wz1000	or even 0.02s
2020-03-29 22:29:45	wz1000	approximately a 10x speedup
2020-03-29 22:30:04	wz1000	as long as there was no gc triggered
2020-03-29 22:31:19	wz1000	this was with the ghcide scheduler: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TkD6IAav3l2vSXECjdiNYCfYvLy-9a6y
2020-03-29 22:31:44	wz1000	and this is with my branch: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1fwnqtEj4dk7_ZTw3faeHRzGTCnq-0HqX
2020-03-29 22:31:56	wz1000	tell me I'm reading this right
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2020-03-29 22:44:23	mpickering	I have to go
2020-03-29 22:48:36	wz1000	no problem
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2020-03-30 00:10:56	mpickering	I just implemented the reload checking logic myself.. took 30 mins
2020-03-30 00:10:58	mpickering	and actually worked
2020-03-30 00:14:52	wz1000	can you show me?
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2020-03-30 00:18:30	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/commit/75bad51a8d778cd0b7846ca10f3e556763351e96
2020-03-30 00:21:35	wz1000	all this logic lives in Main?
2020-03-30 00:22:21	mpickering	yep
2020-03-30 00:22:27	mpickering	I looked at your eventlogs now
2020-03-30 00:22:32	mpickering	they look good :) well done
2020-03-30 00:23:16	wz1000	The timing I mentioned is accurate, right?
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2020-03-30 00:35:22	mpickering	why do you want me to check that?
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2020-03-30 00:35:43	mpickering	If you highlight a portion
2020-03-30 00:35:52	mpickering	then go to "time" then it shows you how long that section is
2020-03-30 00:35:54	wz1000	yeah
2020-03-30 00:36:21	wz1000	but there's a small bump that comes a while after the main activity from the hover
2020-03-30 00:36:27	wz1000	and I'm not sure what that is
2020-03-30 00:36:48	wz1000	btw I figured out how to share large eventlogs with you
2020-03-30 00:36:57	wz1000	http://78.47.113.11/ghcide.eventlog
2020-03-30 00:37:16	wz1000	100mb eventlog uploaded in a minute flat thanks to rsyncs compression
2020-03-30 00:37:42	mpickering	I will run out disk space downloading a few of those
2020-03-30 00:37:49	mpickering	can't wait to get a new desktop when I graduate
2020-03-30 00:38:06	mpickering	and can get rid of this apple thing
2020-03-30 00:38:27	wz1000	when will that be?
2020-03-30 00:38:33	mpickering	this summer
2020-03-30 00:38:35	mpickering	corona depending
2020-03-30 00:38:45	wz1000	nice. your defense is in limbo?
2020-03-30 00:38:57	mpickering	no I haven't finished writing my thesis yet..
2020-03-30 00:39:05	mpickering	but it has been disruptive
2020-03-30 00:40:06	wz1000	whats it on?
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2020-03-30 00:41:20	mpickering	various things to do with multi-stage programming
2020-03-30 00:41:49	mpickering	hopefully by the time I finish typed template haskell is actually sound
2020-03-30 00:42:53	wz1000	keep at it, maybe someone will use it then
2020-03-30 00:43:43	wz1000	whats next?
2020-03-30 00:45:57	mpickering	A job
2020-03-30 00:46:25	mpickering	Andres is very interested in using it
2020-03-30 00:46:34	mpickering	but not whilst it's broken but the implementation has proved quite challenging
2020-03-30 00:46:38	mpickering	I got it somewhat working this morning
2020-03-30 00:46:52	wz1000	tth?
2020-03-30 00:47:00	mpickering	yes
2020-03-30 00:47:11	mpickering	we have written a version of generics-sop which used typed template haskell
2020-03-30 00:47:12	wz1000	somewhat working doesn't sound very sound
2020-03-30 00:47:29	mpickering	More sound than before 
2020-03-30 00:47:40	mpickering	But once it is working now I can refine the implementation 
2020-03-30 00:47:56	mpickering	which is harder to do if you have no idea if it will work ornot
2020-03-30 00:48:15	wz1000	so you have all the theory figured out?
2020-03-30 00:48:31	mpickering	One difficult thing is that there is an assumption in GHC that you will only serialise closed `IfaceExpr` terms
2020-03-30 00:48:40	mpickering	which is now not true on my branch
2020-03-30 00:49:04	mpickering	working out things like this is painful because you have to be confident you are doing something new rather than something which should slot in nicely
2020-03-30 00:49:16	mpickering	yeah the theory is done, that's easier to specify
2020-03-30 00:50:25	mpickering	but then having to modify the type checker has been challenging
2020-03-30 00:50:28	mpickering	for me at least
2020-03-30 00:51:02	wz1000	yeah its pretty gnarly
2020-03-30 00:52:38	wz1000	so you're done with academia?
2020-03-30 00:55:52	mpickering	yes
2020-03-30 01:00:22	wz1000	well typed?
2020-03-30 01:03:07	mpickering	we will see, the future is unclear for everyone at the moment
2020-03-30 01:03:23	alanz	thats no maybe
2020-03-30 01:03:45	alanz	mpickering, wrt multi-component, I have a cobbled together branch I have been playing with
2020-03-30 01:04:00	alanz	but would rather work from your *official* one
2020-03-30 01:04:36	alanz	and I am only just starting to look at activity on ghcide etc, so I am hoping I will find one there
2020-03-30 01:04:51	mpickering	You mean something other than my multi-rebase branch?
2020-03-30 01:05:39	alanz	I rebased your wip/multi-rebase onto ghcide master. Via a process of squashing all of the branch points to a single commit, then rebasing that
2020-03-30 01:06:02	mpickering	how long ago?
2020-03-30 01:06:05	mpickering	and were there any merge conflicts?
2020-03-30 01:06:33	alanz	there were some things I had to sort out. One of the files had reordered things, which was weird. Rules, I think
2020-03-30 01:06:56	alanz	but nothing big
2020-03-30 01:07:29	alanz	I have done it twice now, so if you want to publish what you have, we can do it a third time.
2020-03-30 01:07:39	alanz	Or I can do one and you can validate.
2020-03-30 01:07:46	alanz	whatever works for you
2020-03-30 01:08:09	mpickering	I can do the rebase
2020-03-30 01:08:24	mpickering	working on GHC gives you a high tolerance for rebasing ...
2020-03-30 01:08:31	mpickering	had to do a disgusting one on Friday
2020-03-30 01:08:41	mpickering	all my changes are isolated to exe/Main anyway
2020-03-30 01:08:50	mpickering	and if anything is changed there I will probably need to reimplement it
2020-03-30 01:09:18	alanz	ok. There are other changes, because it is based on pepe's branch, which changed slightly as it landed
2020-03-30 01:10:02	alanz	And I have a long-running ghc branch for my in-tree annotations, which I also periodically rebase. So getting decent at that process too
2020-03-30 01:10:44	alanz	so I will wait for your rebase, then rework hls to use it.
2020-03-30 01:11:12	alanz	I may add today's commit (75bad51a8d778cd0b7846ca10f3e556763351e96) to my branch, see what it does
2020-03-30 01:11:35	alanz	as you say, only in main
2020-03-30 01:12:26	alanz	mpickering, can you point me at a howto to work with ghcide on ghc? stage0, including Parser.y changes.
2020-03-30 01:12:30	alanz	can it do that?
2020-03-30 01:12:43	mpickering	not sure if parser.y changes work
2020-03-30 01:13:07	alanz	I am pretty sure they won.t
2020-03-30 01:13:53	alanz	but I can trigger that separately, I guess
2020-03-30 01:15:14	mpickering	I don't see why not really
2020-03-30 01:15:21	mpickering	it could be implemented
2020-03-30 01:15:39	mpickering	anyway I am running out of steam to do a rebase
2020-03-30 01:15:49	mpickering	I see there will be come conflicts with Pepe's ghc version patch
2020-03-30 01:16:00	alanz	but it would be something special. Althought the general .x and .y processing should probabaly be supported
2020-03-30 01:17:08	mpickering	at the moment cabal will compile them when it starts the session
2020-03-30 01:17:34	mpickering	I am out of steam alanz so if you want to rebase it you can
2020-03-30 01:18:53	alanz	Ok, will give it a go
2020-03-30 01:21:17	alanz	mpickering: are you ok for me to squash, or would you prefer a full history?
2020-03-30 01:21:24	mpickering	I already squashed it
2020-03-30 01:22:05	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/commits/wip/multi-rebase
2020-03-30 01:22:27	alanz	Ok, will take a look. Had to reboot my machine, screen went flaky
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2020-03-30 01:31:43	fendor	git push -f
2020-03-30 01:31:46	fendor	uhm...
2020-03-30 01:31:48	fendor	I can explain
2020-03-30 01:32:17	fendor	wrong window :)
2020-03-30 01:54:49	alanz	mpickering, I am going to squash your branch into a single commit against the branch point on master at c74e9b51f131df446c8e011ae79f3370c683f12b
2020-03-30 01:59:18	mpickering	It's already squashed
2020-03-30 01:59:37	mpickering	Don't squash in the qAddDependentFile fix
2020-03-30 01:59:44	alanz	Not back to the branch point on master. Look at https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/network
2020-03-30 02:00:08	alanz	Pepe's stuff got reworked and landed on master already, via slightly different commits
2020-03-30 02:00:47	alanz	my intention is to squash the whole change from your branch onto the point where it forks from master, and then rebase that.
2020-03-30 02:00:57	mpickering	Yeah it's just the last two commits
2020-03-30 02:01:41	alanz	Ok. Will keep those, and squash the rest.
2020-03-30 02:01:54	mpickering	The rest can be deleted
2020-03-30 02:02:02	mpickering	There is one called multi component
2020-03-30 02:02:07	mpickering	Which is the main one
2020-03-30 02:02:16	mpickering	And the other is the addDepFile
2020-03-30 02:02:39	mpickering	So when you rebase delete all the other commits and pick those two
2020-03-30 02:04:28	alanz	ok
2020-03-30 02:11:40	alanz	My third time merging Development.IDE.GHC.Util. 
2020-03-30 02:29:07	alanz	mpickering, see https://github.com/alanz/ghcide/tree/wip/multi-rebase-mpickering
2020-03-30 02:29:35	alanz	It compiles, on the tip commit, did not try the lower commit. Likely needs some minor tweaks there
2020-03-30 02:48:44	mpickering	Thanks
2020-03-30 02:48:48	mpickering	Will try it tomorrow
2020-03-30 02:52:59	alanz	great
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2020-03-30 13:20:35	mpickering	jneira_: Why have all the uses of toNormalizedFilePath in ghcide been replaced with a version with a ' suffix?
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2020-03-30 14:28:38	jneira_	cause ghcide handles empty paths in a different way that haskell-lsp version does
2020-03-30 14:29:02	jneira_	it  does not normalize empty paths
2020-03-30 14:29:47	jneira_	but i thought that that special case should not be in haskell-lsp
2020-03-30 14:30:23	mpickering	but now literally everywhere I have to write a ' suffix
2020-03-30 14:30:34	mpickering	seems a bit of a step backwards
2020-03-30 14:31:42	jneira_	mmm we discussed the way to go in the pr: in a initial version i kept the regular name but i had to hide the functions with the same name from askell-lsp
2020-03-30 14:33:06	mpickering	haha sorry
2020-03-30 14:33:13	mpickering	I agree with you anyway
2020-03-30 14:33:24	mpickering	I have no idea what this ' means 
2020-03-30 14:33:28	mpickering	*had
2020-03-30 14:33:55	jneira_	and then we decided to switch to the actual version: https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/pull/479#discussion_r392849159
2020-03-30 14:35:01	jneira_	i think being consistent with `uriToFilePath'` was the key
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2020-03-30 22:39:26	alanz_	mpickering, I agree that it seems a bit crazy
2020-03-30 22:39:32	alanz_	the trailing '
2020-03-30 23:10:49	fendor	alanz_, do you have feedback for the proposal, or is it fine if I submit it now?
2020-03-30 23:31:08	hexagoxel	more live coding on brittany at twitch.tv/hexagoxel in a sec
2020-03-30 23:40:13	alanz_	fendor, I am fine with it. Good luck
2020-03-31 00:16:03	fendor	alanz_, thank you!
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2020-03-31 04:06:03	 *	alanz_ inching along for in-tree api annotations on GHC
2020-03-31 04:07:30	hexagoxel	can I get them right now? I have been writing more and more ExactPrint.Transform code and it is not nice :(
2020-03-31 04:14:43	hexagoxel	but it is nice to hear there is progress
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2020-03-31 05:04:26	hexagoxel	alanz_: I wanted to ask for your input on this too, as you have thought about/worked in the direction of automatic refactoring stuff more than I: https://github.com/lspitzner/brittany/issues/155#issuecomment-606306525
2020-03-31 05:09:35	hexagoxel	On the one hand I wonder if this is something where things can be improved in exactprint, instead of me trying to patch things up in brittany. But I also am curious if we can come up with slightly different paths to connecting comments to the syntax nodes.
2020-03-31 05:10:05	hexagoxel	especially when there are in-source annotations.
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2020-03-31 13:14:46	alanz_	hexagoxel, I am not sure, to be honest. And the comment processing has always been provisional, in my mind.
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2020-03-31 16:07:06	jneira_	hi! i am trying to add the cabal-helper cradle to hls, i hope you are not working (or planning) on that
2020-03-31 16:08:43	jneira_	i had to fix shake threas to 1 to aovid file locking issues, due to cabal/stack parallel runs trigered by shake+cabal-helper
2020-03-31 16:08:53	jneira_	*avoid
2020-03-31 16:10:36	jneira_	lot of cabal runs, cause i am not caching the cradles, i have to take a look to hie cabal-cradle caching code (by @fendor)
2020-03-31 16:11:28	jneira_	well, it is somewhat working for some files of hls itself :-D
2020-03-31 16:16:13	jneira_	it cant load files that depends on the magical "Paths_package_name.hs" though
2020-03-31 16:18:05	fendor	jneira_, no, I am currently not working on this :)
2020-03-31 16:18:20	fendor	Yeah, I think you have to add those as a target in ghcide
2020-03-31 16:18:36	mpickering	I fixed that I think on my branch
2020-03-31 16:18:39	mpickering	wip/multi-rebase
2020-03-31 16:18:59	fendor	oh, well, then it ought to work?
2020-03-31 16:21:07	mpickering	at least I should have stopped it reconfiguring a lot of times
2020-03-31 16:21:19	mpickering	but if you don't list all the targets it's still broken
2020-03-31 16:25:52	jneira_	mpickering: jmm i've seen cabal runs in your branch... it handles stack ones too?
2020-03-31 16:26:00	mpickering	sure
2020-03-31 16:26:06	mpickering	but stack doesn't specify all the targets
2020-03-31 16:26:17	jneira_	it looks a little bit like the cabal-cradle then ;-)
2020-03-31 16:26:44	jneira_	maybe c-h cradle is not even needed ??
2020-03-31 16:26:59	mpickering	well it won't work automatically
2020-03-31 16:27:02	mpickering	which is the point of c-h
2020-03-31 16:27:06	jneira_	oh, you need the hie.yaml
2020-03-31 16:27:28	jneira_	i always forgot the magic of explicitness
2020-03-31 16:27:31	jneira_	:-P
2020-03-31 16:28:12	jneira_	i somtimes think if take ride of the explicit config for beginners worths a dep like c-h
2020-03-31 16:28:40	jneira_	it is relatively easy to write if you know a little bit of the build tool
2020-03-31 16:30:49	jneira_	fendor: what do you think about use c-h only to create a multi-component hie-bios config?
2020-03-31 16:34:27	fendor	jneira_, how do you want to use it? you mean generating a hie.yaml?
2020-03-31 16:35:07	jneira_	in memory
2020-03-31 16:35:34	jneira_	programatically
2020-03-31 16:36:10	jneira_	using `stack ide targets`+ workarounds for coner cases for stack projects
2020-03-31 16:36:29	jneira_	and c-h for cabal until `cabal info` lands
2020-03-31 16:36:29	michaelpj	having a tool that generated a `hie.yaml` that I could check in to get started with would also be very nice tbh
2020-03-31 16:36:46	jneira_	*corner
2020-03-31 16:36:59	michaelpj	and it's not that atypical for tools to generate and write out their config file if one isn't present when they first run
2020-03-31 16:37:39	jneira_	it has its drawbacks but sounds good
2020-03-31 16:38:09	jneira_	but being able to use it directly i would generate the file only on demand
2020-03-31 16:38:45	jneira_	(with a exec flag/editor option or something)
2020-03-31 16:41:49	jneira_	fendor: taking in account that multi-component is triggering cabal/stacks configure, do it in the c-h cradle seems a non desirable duplicate effort
2020-03-31 16:42:12	jneira_	(even if they are in different code paths)
2020-03-31 16:44:45	jneira_	otoh the cbal-helper cradle is already working in hie and it is factible to add to hls so maybe we can do it after hls is ready to use
2020-03-31 16:45:02	jneira_	(/cc @alanz ^^)
2020-03-31 16:45:14	jneira_	(/cc @alanz_ ^^)
2020-03-31 16:47:29	fendor	jneira_, I am still not sure what you want to do, create one cradle from c-h that manages the whole project? 
2020-03-31 16:47:56	fendor	Currently, we are lazily adding components as they are discovered in different hscEnvs
2020-03-31 16:49:32	jneira_	mmm yeah,create programatically a multi-component stack/cabal cradle, extracting the components using c-h or stack ide targets 
2020-03-31 16:51:04	jneira_	maybe parsing cabal.project + .cabal's would be enough (but it would be similar to the c-h role)
2020-03-31 16:51:15	fendor	Arent we kind of doing this? just lazily?
2020-03-31 16:51:38	jneira_	upfront, in the ide starting
2020-03-31 16:52:12	jneira_	extract only components/paths would be costly?
2020-03-31 16:52:19	fendor	ah ok. 
2020-03-31 16:52:37	fendor	in cabal-helper, it would be 
2020-03-31 16:52:53	fendor	because it needs to configure each component and can sometimes not even share the work
2020-03-31 16:53:33	fendor	with show-build-info, it should be trivial, it lets cabal-install do its job.
2020-03-31 16:53:54	jneira_	yeah :-/
2020-03-31 16:55:17	jneira_	mmm i wonder if we could create some code to extract the info purelyfrom config files, without run cabal
2020-03-31 16:55:28	jneira_	using cabal-parser?
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2020-03-31 16:57:53	jneira_	i mean https://hackage.haskell.org/package/cabal-install-parsers
2020-03-31 16:58:24	fendor	yes and no, I think. We still need the dependencies built. 
2020-03-31 16:59:03	fendor	It is better if cabal itself takes care of it. Adding special code for stack and cabal seems like an endless rabbit hole
2020-03-31 17:00:26	jneira_	it will be done by the multi-component cabal/stack configure,  no?
2020-03-31 17:00:46	jneira_	(chase dependencies)
2020-03-31 17:01:30	jneira_	we should feed it with the component/path config
2020-03-31 17:01:55	fendor	ah, ok. What will be the benefit of all the work, then? 
2020-03-31 17:35:38	jneira_	mmm cabal/stack configure/builds(a pain point) will be in one place
2020-03-31 17:36:33	jneira_	we will share more code with ghcide, in general
2020-03-31 17:37:08	jneira_	 we could generate the hie.yaml on demand, as suggested by michaelpj
2020-03-31 17:38:06	jneira_	we have one less heavy dep (c-h) and we could leverage` cabal show-build-info`easily later
2020-03-31 17:39:18	michaelpj	well, I think it would be nice if hls depended on whatever generates the hie.yaml files so that it can do it either automatically or on demand
2020-03-31 17:40:38	jneira_	but you know, talk is cheap, show me the code :-P
2020-03-31 17:50:02	alanz_	jneira_, michaelpj I have always had in mind that the implicit config could be an offline process,  to spit out a hie.yaml
2020-03-31 17:50:18	alanz_	Or built in, but making the file if needed
2020-03-31 17:50:50	alanz_	As a start for hand tweaking if needed. Which means covering most cases is fine.
2020-03-31 18:04:48	jneira_	tbh that part could be done with cabal-helper too, it can extract the components/paths although it needs call to stack/cabal for that (afaik)
2020-03-31 18:37:58	hexagoxel	alanz_: I have thought about is some more, and I think I have a path in mind to post-process Annotations into a different data structure (that mixes syntax and comments already - although just for imports, which are flat).
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2020-03-31 18:44:15	hexagoxel	It is yet another layer in the brittany transformation process but it feels like a sensible abstraction that is future-proof. Only makes brittany hard to understand for anyone but me :/
2020-03-31 18:48:22	alanz_	hexagoxel: if it works and makes sense, we can migrate it to ghc-exactprint. 
2020-03-31 18:49:29	alanz_	Also, have you had a look at the recently published retrie package ? Also built on top if ghc-exactprint and doing code manipulation 
2020-03-31 18:54:58	hexagoxel	ah, I have looked at the user interface only. But good pointer, there might be overlapping bits in the implementation.
2020-03-31 18:55:21	hexagoxel	Retrie.SYB is small once you ignore the reexports :p
2020-03-31 18:56:52	hexagoxel	wait wait how _do_ they handle comments on nodes that get rewritten?
2020-03-31 18:59:01	 *	hexagoxel feels like staring at the codebase will not help me find an answer.. need to just test
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2020-04-01 14:26:28	mpickering	fendor: Are you using the most recent commit on wip/multi-rebase usually?
2020-04-01 14:26:40	mpickering	If it's stable then I will make a PR
2020-04-01 14:28:04	fendor	mpickering, I dont know, I use the commit the last time you told me, there is a rebase
2020-04-01 14:28:07	fendor	lemme check
2020-04-01 14:28:52	mpickering	It feels quite stable to me working on GHC but that is quite a controlled environment
2020-04-01 14:29:21	fendor	I am not using the latest, installing it now
2020-04-01 14:29:37	fendor	on cabal, it was not working well, but I figured, that is because of the weird set-up
2020-04-01 14:31:04	fendor	will check now with the latest version
2020-04-01 14:31:04	mpickering	what was broken?
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2020-04-01 14:32:44	fendor	First, it failed to load safe modules
2020-04-01 14:33:15	fendor	because the D.Prelude is marked as trustworthy, but not safe? 
2020-04-01 14:34:31	mpickering	I fixed that on master
2020-04-01 14:34:41	mpickering	but that's unrelated to this patch
2020-04-01 14:34:44	fendor	on master, or latest multi-rebase?
2020-04-01 14:34:49	mpickering	well both
2020-04-01 14:35:00	mpickering	the latest multi rebase is master + pepe's latest patch + multi-component
2020-04-01 14:35:09	fendor	ok, great, will test it immediately
2020-04-01 14:35:20	fendor	nice, then it will also reload on changes to *.cabal files, right?
2020-04-01 14:36:22	mpickering	yes but you should test that :) 
2020-04-01 14:36:28	mpickering	I did try it 
2020-04-01 14:36:35	mpickering	but not more than 5 times
2020-04-01 14:36:51	fendor	testing it :) 
2020-04-01 14:37:22	fendor	btw, I think it would be time for a hie-bios release, there is one API change and one bug fix, iirc
2020-04-01 14:38:20	fendor	now it is working cabal code-base!
2020-04-01 14:38:25	fendor	*on
2020-04-01 14:41:31	fendor	nice, reload on dependency change is working, too! 
2020-04-01 14:41:50	fendor	you need to change the source, though, to trigger it
2020-04-01 14:44:25	mpickering	even if you hover it will trigger it
2020-04-01 14:45:06	wz1000	I was thinking about if we can expose a ghci/repl session from the language server process
2020-04-01 14:45:51	wz1000	so you can connect to a repl with the current file loaded
2020-04-01 14:46:27	fendor	I get some exceptions, is that to be expected?
2020-04-01 14:46:27	fendor	https://gist.github.com/fendor/421887faa6d8bd7818c79c22ce3a8e45
2020-04-01 14:46:36	wz1000	reuse the ghc session used by the server
2020-04-01 14:46:38	fendor	e.g. https://gist.github.com/fendor/421887faa6d8bd7818c79c22ce3a8e45#file-ghcide-log-L686
2020-04-01 14:47:48	fendor	wz1000, that would be really cool, then we could  use DAP
2020-04-01 14:48:15	mpickering	fendor: Well no but I am not sure what is causing that
2020-04-01 14:48:18	mpickering	which commit did you build from?
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2020-04-01 14:48:35	fendor	1de6c71856d626ba72313971a04a953eb550ec62
2020-04-01 14:48:43	mpickering	ok lemme push
2020-04-01 14:49:01	mpickering	try dd4efb7c89d56290ee313c26c441a8d44993f063
2020-04-01 14:49:05	wz1000	fendor: wonder how this fits in with your multi-session proposal
2020-04-01 14:49:48	mpickering	wz1000: I don't think this would be that easy as ghcide is not set up to evaluate expressions yet, could be a reasonable amount of work
2020-04-01 14:49:49	wz1000	so if you have two files open, you would want two repls, one for each file
2020-04-01 14:50:02	mpickering	and also we have just been trying to make the basics sowrk
2020-04-01 14:50:04	mpickering	*work
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2020-04-01 14:50:34	wz1000	but they should share as much as possible
2020-04-01 14:54:25	fendor	this time I triggered it even faster :)
2020-04-01 14:54:45	fendor	https://gist.github.com/fendor/1383c89a356b0a3420c369b85452e1ad
2020-04-01 14:55:12	fendor	wz1000, for evaluating expressions? Wouldnt a single session be enough where all modules of a component are loaded?
2020-04-01 14:55:43	fendor	but then you couldnt use it if some top-level module doesnt compile...
2020-04-01 14:57:35	mpickering	fendor: Try the latest commit?
2020-04-01 14:57:41	fendor	mpickering, I can trigger the exception by opening a project and switching to another window
2020-04-01 14:57:46	fendor	I tried the latest commit
2020-04-01 14:57:51	mpickering	no you didn't
2020-04-01 14:57:59	mpickering	3d138f39b5160d2f9fb919475ab57629e994c49b\
2020-04-01 14:58:02	fendor	oh
2020-04-01 14:58:07	mpickering	"another window" ?
2020-04-01 14:58:07	fendor	sorry
2020-04-01 14:58:36	fendor	well, I mean opening another document, like a *.cabal file
2020-04-01 15:01:00	wz1000	mpickering: doesn't supporting TH mean being set up to evaluate expressions?
2020-04-01 15:01:11	wz1000	also we could run doctests and stuff
2020-04-01 15:01:13	mpickering	yeah but not a whole repl
2020-04-01 15:02:01	fendor	mpickering, exception is still thrown: https://gist.github.com/fendor/2eb537736086b6f32700ac32bae4d4b4 
2020-04-01 15:02:10	fendor	but it loads
2020-04-01 15:02:32	mpickering	ok
2020-04-01 15:02:39	wz1000	why not? seems like the same thing? send haskell expressions to a process that evaluates them and returns the result
2020-04-01 15:02:52	mpickering	yeah and you have loads of state to manage
2020-04-01 15:03:07	mpickering	have you looked at how complicated ghci is?
2020-04-01 15:03:14	mpickering	fendor: I don't know why this is happening
2020-04-01 15:03:20	mpickering	there are plenty of calls to mask these kinds of errors..
2020-04-01 15:04:06	mpickering	fendor: Try changing `mask_` to `uninterupibleMask_` in exe/Main.hs
2020-04-01 15:04:12	mpickering	where I just added it in the last commit
2020-04-01 15:04:19	mpickering	That is not the right fix but may stop it happening
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2020-04-01 15:05:40	fendor	trying it
2020-04-01 15:05:47	fendor	btw, why am I even getting stack traces?
2020-04-01 15:05:57	wz1000	asynchronous exceptions make my head hurt
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2020-04-01 15:09:59	wz1000	isn't uninteruptibleMask_ supposed to be dangerous
2020-04-01 15:10:31	fendor	now, no stack trace is printed :)
2020-04-01 15:11:02	wz1000	does it still work?
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2020-04-01 15:15:13	wz1000	it looks like there is a lot of IO inside that uninteruptibleMask
2020-04-01 15:15:20	wz1000	doesn't seem like a good idea
2020-04-01 15:16:13	wz1000	specifically blocking IO
2020-04-01 15:17:46	mpickering	wz1000: "That is not the right fix but may stop it happening"
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2020-04-01 15:18:16	mpickering	also https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/issues/494
2020-04-01 15:18:21	mpickering	I am well aware of this issue
2020-04-01 15:19:16	fendor	yeah, it does so far
2020-04-01 15:25:26	wz1000	human brains were not built to reason about concurrency and asynchronous exceptions
2020-04-01 15:25:48	wz1000	I thought functional programming was supposed to save us from these horrors
2020-04-01 15:26:27	mpickering	`mask` is supposed to mask async exceptions but turns out that if you make any foreign calls then it unmasks so it's pretty much hopeless
2020-04-01 15:29:54	wz1000	so we need somewhatUninterruptibleMask?
2020-04-01 15:32:46	wz1000	btw I discovered this blog from 2010 http://blog.zhox.com/ which has stuff about a Visual Studio based IDE for haskell
2020-04-01 15:33:18	wz1000	very demoralizing, the lack of progress on this front for a decade
2020-04-01 15:36:01	wz1000	one step forward, two steps backward...
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2020-04-01 15:56:56	mpickering	I feel like michael snoyman has essentially made a career out of async exceptions 
2020-04-01 16:09:59	jneira	masks are useful nowadays :-P
2020-04-01 16:10:52	jneira	fendor: i've check out the hie-bios issue tracker and some of the ideas i commented yesta
2020-04-01 16:11:23	jneira	yesterday are already included in one issue or another
2020-04-01 16:17:06	fendor	ah, I think I understand now better what you need. Then I dont think that `getCradle` is useful, as it is mainly a helper function to translate the `hie.yaml` into a `Cradle`. You rather want `directCradle`, `cabalCradle`, etc...
2020-04-01 16:17:40	fendor	But I still dont understand why you want to manage the `Paths_` module programmatically? 
2020-04-01 16:20:21	jneira	mmm cause i can load them using the cabal cradle in ghcide
2020-04-01 16:20:36	jneira	*cant
2020-04-01 16:21:08	jneira	but `ghc Paths_package_name.hs`works
2020-04-01 16:22:03	jneira	is there a way to load them using the cabal cradle?
2020-04-01 16:22:47	fendor	the cabal cradle should return the Paths_ module as a target
2020-04-01 16:23:41	jneira	mmm it dont belong to any target (at least the regular ones), i will paste the error thrown...
2020-04-01 16:23:52	jneira	doesnt
2020-04-01 16:24:49	jneira	it is generated inside dist-newstyle pn the fly
2020-04-01 16:24:54	jneira	on
2020-04-01 16:25:36	fendor	jneira, on mpickering's latest commit on wip/multi-rebase, Paths_ module can be loaded
2020-04-01 16:25:52	fendor	in dist-newstyle and used everywhere else, at least for me on windows 10
2020-04-01 16:27:24	jneira	multi-rebase uses the explicit config, right? i am using the cabal cradle in hls 
2020-04-01 16:28:04	fendor	oh.
2020-04-01 16:28:06	fendor	sorry
2020-04-01 16:28:50	fendor	then still, when you take a look at the component option output from `hie-bios`, it contains the `Paths_` module.
2020-04-01 16:28:59	fendor	with an explicit config
2020-04-01 16:29:10	jneira	no problem, it happens to me continuously :-D
2020-04-01 16:29:25	fendor	I think c-h should be tweaked to give it to you as a target as well
2020-04-01 16:29:38	fendor	assuming it is not already doing that
2020-04-01 16:30:55	jneira	it is an option, but i wanted to add a quick special (direct) cradle in Rules.hs for them
2020-04-01 16:33:10	fendor	does it work with stack, do you know that?
2020-04-01 16:36:56	jneira	nope, i am using cabal in hls right now, does it work?
2020-04-01 16:37:09	jneira	for cabal in hie?
2020-04-01 16:40:06	fendor	cabal in hie can definitely load modules that import `Paths_` modules
2020-04-01 16:40:13	fendor	I dont think you can open the module itself, though
2020-04-01 16:40:29	fendor	the Paths_ module
2020-04-01 16:40:44	jneira	mmm ghcide tries to load the dependent modules it seems
2020-04-01 16:41:00	fendor	yeah, that is fine per se
2020-04-01 16:41:14	fendor	do the component options from c-h contain the Path_ module?
2020-04-01 16:41:40	jneira	the error with Path_ is throwed if i open exe/Main.hs f.e.
2020-04-01 16:42:37	jneira	wait one sec i'll try to reproduce the error to paste it, maybe it can help us
2020-04-01 16:57:46	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/accb07b30a01756fe1eeeaa261fadb21/pasted.txt
2020-04-01 16:57:55	jneira	fendor: this one ^^
2020-04-01 16:59:28	fendor	ah, I see, ghcide tries to map Paths_ to some component, but our c-h logic to find components will never find anything outside of the component.
2020-04-01 17:00:12	fendor	however, if you open a different file first that depends on the Paths_ module, shouldnt it be added as a target for this component as well?
2020-04-01 17:00:59	fendor	what component options does cabal-helper output for a regular component? 
2020-04-01 17:01:44	fendor	e.g. src/Lib.hs
2020-04-01 17:23:17	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/2a4229ce5ccee58f69713f9adc4851aa/pasted.txt
2020-04-01 17:23:51	jneira	fendor: Not sure if that ^^ can answer it
2020-04-01 17:24:34	fendor	jneira, I think it does. 
2020-04-01 17:25:18	jneira	i am gonna try with stack
2020-04-01 17:25:27	fendor	yeah, it doesnt expose the Paths_ module, although it should be in the `other-modules`, so it is not added as a target
2020-04-01 17:26:59	fendor	actually, not right, you have to configure each component first to see 
2020-04-01 17:27:04	fendor	the compilation flags
2020-04-01 17:27:29	fendor	the package definition does not contain exposed and other modules, that is fine
2020-04-01 17:27:34	fendor	my mistake, sorry
2020-04-01 17:27:53	jneira	it is in other and autogen modules in the .cabal file
2020-04-01 17:28:17	jneira	not public (it usually is not)
2020-04-01 17:29:55	fendor	yeah that is fine. But cabal-helper has both a package and a component. The compilation flags, and the other and exposed modules, are in the component
2020-04-01 17:30:14	jneira	aha
2020-04-01 17:30:24	fendor	package only contains the components, but not configured, e.g. not populated with the information
2020-04-01 17:31:04	fendor	so, you actually have to configure each component to find to which component a filepath belongs to, then we can see if it contains the Paths_*
2020-04-01 17:32:01	jneira	aha, modules in the exe component not depending on Paths, works fine
2020-04-01 17:32:06	jneira	Rules.hs f.e.
2020-04-01 17:32:34	jneira	but i dont see in cabal-helper cradle output the components configured
2020-04-01 17:32:47	jneira	it outputs them?
2020-04-01 17:33:01	fendor	yeah, it should
2020-04-01 17:33:37	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/2e362d427b1e5776609029d7b67de2b8/pasted.txt
2020-04-01 17:33:51	fendor	jneira, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/blob/master/src/Ide/Cradle.hs#L605
2020-04-01 17:33:54	fendor	that is the location
2020-04-01 17:35:20	fendor	maybe you are not running with --debug?
2020-04-01 17:35:21	jneira	ok, thanks! i am looking for it
2020-04-01 17:37:08	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/fd6563ccf34aff37aeaa264006ae19d3/pasted.txt
2020-04-01 17:38:00	jneira	it has Pahs_
2020-04-01 17:38:05	jneira	Paths_
2020-04-01 17:38:39	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/fc33a0cfa28e72b76446d53104c417bd/pasted.txt
2020-04-01 17:38:47	jneira	wrapper ^^
2020-04-01 17:40:17	fendor	jneira, and the final flags?
2020-04-01 17:40:18	fendor	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/blob/master/src/Ide/Cradle.hs#L549
2020-04-01 17:45:12	jneira	i think it cant output the flags for exe/Main.hs cause it fails for Paths_, i can see the final flags for other modules
2020-04-01 17:45:22	jneira	more log about the error itself:
2020-04-01 17:45:44	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/2040b6da0f9f6e3ae8ddc28df16cb983/pasted.txt
2020-04-01 17:46:18	jneira	There is the failing cabal execution, no?
2020-04-01 17:47:07	jneira	uh that is for the test component
2020-04-01 17:48:25	fendor	I dont know right now why ghcide tries to find a component for Paths_ module ...
2020-04-01 17:51:48	jneira	cause it chases all dependent modules?
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2020-04-01 17:51:59	jneira	and one of them is Paths_
2020-04-01 17:53:02	jneira	i think i read that behaviour in a not much old pr by pepe iborra
2020-04-01 17:53:47	fendor	yeah but I would have expected that it is already mapped to a component
2020-04-01 17:53:51	alanz_	mpickering, fendor I just came across this https://apenwarr.ca/log/20181113 for checking for modified files in a build system.  
2020-04-01 17:54:12	alanz_	Might be relevant, there is a summary near the bottom
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2020-04-01 18:02:46	jneira	here is the log and the vscode output opening exe/main.hs and then hovering on it:
2020-04-01 18:02:48	jneira	https://gist.github.com/jneira/d239468b0496a6c8bc1ce805be95d8ce
2020-04-01 18:03:11	jneira	the main work is done when hoverin, no opening the file, the hovering starts a
2020-04-01 18:03:34	jneira	in line 72
2020-04-01 18:04:59	jneira	the log is until i get the error about Path_ module
2020-04-01 18:07:32	fendor	exe/Main clearly declares it as a target. I am wondering how is that different to the output of hie-bios...
2020-04-01 18:08:11	jneira	my branch is based in the actual master branch of hls
2020-04-01 18:08:51	jneira	based in turn in ghcide multi (but not newer i think) 
2020-04-01 18:09:18	fendor	I think now we should take a look how the flags for `exe/Main.hs` from c-h are different to the ones from `hie-bios flags exe/Main.hs`  
2020-04-01 18:09:34	fendor	because I dont think more than that should be necessary
2020-04-01 18:09:57	jneira	mm between the explicit and the implicit config then
2020-04-01 18:10:13	jneira	cause hie-bios uses the explicit one, no?
2020-04-01 18:10:31	jneira	(implicit cabal-helper one)
2020-04-01 18:11:38	jneira	but well, the fact is you can compile Paths_ with a simple ghc invocation with no arguments! :-D
2020-04-01 18:11:55	jneira	it will be faster for sure :-P
2020-04-01 18:13:03	fendor	if this doesnt work, then I actually think this is a bug
2020-04-01 18:13:11	jneira	but i know the right one is fix the cabal-helper cradle (or fix my code calling it) ;-)
2020-04-01 18:13:12	fendor	hie-bios with explicit config doesnt do more than that
2020-04-01 18:13:45	fendor	the bug could be anywhere, the cabal-helper cradle could do something fishy, as well :)
2020-04-01 18:14:31	jneira	have to go, thanks for the pair programming/debugging, lot of info to continue fighting
2020-04-01 18:15:05	fendor	see ya! 
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2020-04-02 15:24:45	jophish	Hi all
2020-04-02 15:25:01	jophish	Would someone be able to take a quick look at this, please: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1691
2020-04-02 15:25:42	jophish	happy to hear: "this is a bug which won't be fixed in hie, wait until haskell-language-server"
2020-04-02 15:26:01	jophish	but I suspect that this is not expected behaviour for HIE
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2020-04-02 15:36:46	fendor	jophish, does it happen with a hie.yaml, too?
2020-04-02 15:41:47	fendor	issue definitely happens with hie.yaml
2020-04-02 17:15:49	jophish	fendor: thanks for taking a look. I gave things a go with the branch you mentioned (rebased on master) but there's no difference in behavior
2020-04-02 17:18:04	fendor	jophish, it would require more investigation. The invocation is correct, but targets are a bit unexpected. But I remember multiple reports of it
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2020-04-02 17:30:35	jophish	Ah ok, thanks :)
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2020-04-03 01:49:58	dhess	Hi, just got haskell-language-server to build and I'm trying to use it with Emacs. 
2020-04-03 01:50:25	dhess	I already haeve a mostly-working HIE setup with Emacs, so I just changed added this to my use-package lsp-haskell config: (setq lsp-haskell-process-path-hie "haskell-language-server-wrapper")
2020-04-03 01:50:59	dhess	haskell-language-server is definitely running and I'm getting popups, but the popups just say things like "example hover 1"
2020-04-03 01:50:59	alanz_	dhess, that should work
2020-04-03 01:51:20	alanz_	are you running from haskell-language-server current master?
2020-04-03 01:51:23	dhess	yeah
2020-04-03 01:51:52	alanz_	hmm. Try from my branch multi-experimental, I think it is
2020-04-03 01:51:58	dhess	every module definition in my lib is underlined red and gives the error message: "example2: example2 diagnostic, hello world"
2020-04-03 01:52:26	alanz_	that is some test example plugins. This thing is under development, very early stage, would not advise normal use
2020-04-03 01:53:17	dhess	So how do I disable those, just hack the exe?
2020-04-03 01:54:49	dhess	GitHub is hosed right now :(
2020-04-03 01:55:46	alanz_	dhess, this is the one I use: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-language-server/tree/multi-experimental
2020-04-03 01:55:56	alanz_	and gh just let me see that?
2020-04-03 01:55:58	dhess	oh you have 8.8.3 support as well :)
2020-04-03 01:56:15	dhess	Yeah I think you just got lucky :) It's struggling at the moment. Or else maybe it's regional.
2020-04-03 01:56:30	dhess	ok let me do a rebuild with yours
2020-04-03 01:56:33	alanz_	no idea
2020-04-03 01:57:05	alanz_	but I am waiting for some underpinning stuff to stabilise before carrying on, so that is in a state of flux
2020-04-03 01:57:39	alanz_	in exe/Main.hs there is a flag to enable the example plugins, it might be hardcoded to True, if so uncomment it
2020-04-03 02:05:45	jneira	yeah, it is in master, i had to uncomment to avoid the example plugin
2020-04-03 02:08:32	dhess	that's odd, I supplied "--example false" as args and it still appears to be loading them.
2020-04-03 02:13:53	dhess	there we go
2020-04-03 02:14:11	alanz_	I hardcoded it for my personal testing
2020-04-03 02:14:20	dhess	alanz_: so in your version the examples are disabled by default. However, now I'm getting: compiler: haskell-language-server: this operation requires -fexternal-interpreter
2020-04-03 02:14:26	alanz_	so I didnt have to mess with the client configs
2020-04-03 02:14:52	alanz_	dhess, this is a ymmv thing, not supported. By me anyway.
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2020-04-03 02:16:29	dhess	ok.
2020-04-03 02:17:24	alanz_	sorry, but it *is* under development
2020-04-03 02:17:54	alanz_	and I have never tried it with GHC 8.8.3, just added a stackage config for it. Try ghc 8.6.5
2020-04-03 02:18:14	dhess	It's GHC 8.6.5. It may be related to haskell.nix.
2020-04-03 02:20:30	dhess	Is there a way to pass arguments to GHC, or to hie-bios?
2020-04-03 02:20:43	dhess	from haskell-language-server's arguments, I mean
2020-04-03 02:20:51	alanz_	nix? that is really off into unsupported territory
2020-04-03 02:21:01	alanz_	the all-hies approach *should* work
2020-04-03 02:21:25	alanz_	since our build and hie is basically the same
2020-04-03 02:21:49	dhess	hie works great actually.
2020-04-03 02:22:05	dhess	ok still some work to do here.
2020-04-03 02:22:20	alanz_	ye
2020-04-03 02:22:22	alanz_	p
2020-04-03 02:22:39	alanz_	which is why we are running in parallel for now
2020-04-03 02:22:45	dhess	I suspect this is due to the fact that haskell.nix uses iserv to generate TH
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2020-04-04 02:33:45	mpickering	Am I wasting my time responding to this rude comment?
2020-04-04 02:33:45	mpickering	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1718#issuecomment-608647783
2020-04-04 02:33:48	jneira	good night all!
2020-04-04 02:36:28	jneira	fendor: hi, i am looking for a way to get a uDistDir (the unit dist dir) from cabal-helper but no luck :-( 
2020-04-04 02:38:52	mpickering	... :) why?
2020-04-04 02:38:58	mpickering	sounds like something you should not want to know
2020-04-04 02:39:50	jneira	my idea is assume all source files under `${uDistDir}/autogen` belongs to that unit (f.e. `Paths_`module)
2020-04-04 02:40:35	mpickering	You shouldn't be messing with this stuff
2020-04-04 02:40:49	mpickering	if the cradle gives you bad info, then fix the cradle generation rather than hacking around it 
2020-04-04 02:41:35	jneira	mpickering: mmm, but then you cant open that module, no?
2020-04-04 02:42:53	jneira	i thinked in ignore it creating the cradles, or simply link a simple direct cradle
2020-04-04 02:44:07	jneira	what option would you recommend? 
2020-04-04 02:47:11	mpickering	option 1: fix the cradle
2020-04-04 02:47:32	mpickering	option 2: Relax the predicate which matches files to a component
2020-04-04 02:50:17	fendor	mpickering, you probably are wasting your time on that comment
2020-04-04 02:50:50	jneira	mmm i was modifying (fixing?) the cabal helper cradle, relaxing its the predicate `partOfComponent` adding `isAutogenModule`
2020-04-04 02:51:07	jneira	*its predicate
2020-04-04 02:53:45	jneira	maybe `isAutogenModule` could be implemented without knowing the uDistDir
2020-04-04 02:54:54	fendor	jneira, I still wonder why it doesnt work... 
2020-04-04 02:56:25	jneira	oh, so the actual predicate should match it?
2020-04-04 02:59:32	jneira	oh yeah it looks for the module name in the list of exposed-modules/other-modules/main-is
2020-04-04 03:00:27	jneira	and `Paths_` should be there (can not be only in `autogen-modules`?)
2020-04-04 03:03:50	fendor	yeah, exactly, it should be there
2020-04-04 03:04:03	fendor	or, I thought at least
2020-04-04 03:04:37	jneira	it has to be in autogen and (exposed or other)
2020-04-04 03:05:42	fendor	yeah. It should be added as a target, the problem arises when ghcide tries to follow the modules and then tries to find a cradle for the Paths_
2020-04-04 03:05:52	fendor	the question for me is, why isnt Paths_ module part of a cradle
2020-04-04 03:06:07	fendor	or maybe ghcide handles it differentlyß
2020-04-04 03:06:09	fendor	ß
2020-04-04 03:06:19	fendor	?
2020-04-04 03:06:31	fendor	just casually giving away my keyboard layout :D 
2020-04-04 03:09:24	jneira	he es la caña
2020-04-04 03:11:34	jneira	my intent was just make the module part of the cradle
2020-04-04 03:12:09	jneira	it seemed to me that cabal cradle failed to find the component for `Paths_`
2020-04-04 03:13:18	jneira	time of Debug.Trace :-P
2020-04-04 03:16:29	fendor	ghcide must be doing something, because I think the cradle returns it as a target
2020-04-04 03:17:54	jneira	oh maybe distdir it is not in `ciSourceDirs`and c-h cradle only looks for modules in thos dirs
2020-04-04 03:18:59	jneira	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/hie-plugin-api/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Cradle.hs#L702-L705
2020-04-04 03:20:14	jneira	so maybe if we add the autogen path to source dir it would find its component
2020-04-04 03:20:53	fendor	iirc, autogen is in the include path via -i
2020-04-04 03:21:18	fendor	the problem is, that ghcide wants to know the component options of the Paths_* module and the current c-h-h logic doesnt account for it at all
2020-04-04 03:24:30	jneira	the component options for Path could be empty and ghc -i should work
2020-04-04 03:25:54	jneira	they are plain haskell modules with no deps, no?
2020-04-04 03:26:25	jneira	s/ghc -i/ghc
2020-04-04 03:28:49	fendor	yeah... 
2020-04-04 03:28:59	fendor	I think so, too.
2020-04-04 03:29:20	fendor	But it would be nice, if this could be handled without any complex logic, however, I dont know how, though
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2020-04-04 19:30:15	mr_sm1th	Hi. Sometimes I see a link to Source & Documentation, sometimes only Documentation. What determines that?
2020-04-04 19:30:36	mr_sm1th	I'm using hie + vs code
2020-04-04 19:48:11	jneira	mmm i guess the you only can jump to source for local project/packages and only docs for libs dependencies
2020-04-04 19:51:20	mr_sm1th	I can actually jump to the Source of a lot of dependencies!
2020-04-04 19:51:54	mr_sm1th	I wonder how that's possible now that I think of it
2020-04-04 19:57:31	wz1000	I implemented this a long time ago, but I think you get source and documentation if you have haddock docs built for the dependencies, and ghc also happens to know about it
2020-04-04 19:57:48	wz1000	you get documentation only if HIE can't find the haddocks and has to fallback to hoogle
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2020-04-04 20:17:07	mr_sm1th	wz1000, Interesting! What do you mean with "and ghc also happens to know about it"?
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2020-04-04 20:26:52	wz1000	mr_sm1th: the haddockInterfaces field in the https://hackage.haskell.org/package/ghc-8.6.5/docs/PackageConfig.html#t:PackageConfig
2020-04-04 20:27:10	wz1000	populating that is the responsibility of the package manager
2020-04-04 20:28:32	wz1000	usually if you have haddocks built, it should exist
2020-04-04 20:29:43	wz1000	s/package manager/build tool
2020-04-04 20:30:16	wz1000	see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/Haddock.hs
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2020-04-04 20:30:29	mr_sm1th	Hmm for Hakyll I don't see a Source link, only Documentation
2020-04-04 20:30:37	mr_sm1th	The Haddocks are built
2020-04-04 20:31:38	wz1000	when you click on the documentation link, does it open a local file from your disk?
2020-04-04 20:31:49	mr_sm1th	Yes
2020-04-04 20:32:06	wz1000	Is there a link to the source in that file?
2020-04-04 20:33:02	mr_sm1th	Yes!
2020-04-04 20:33:31	wz1000	can you share the filepaths of both documentation and source files? 
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2020-04-04 20:37:52	mr_sm1th	documentation: /home/bart/.stack/snapshots/x86_64-linux-tinfo6/a03ad3ae1b6163f760c6bb6cc16cc57d18c279e3255634509cf400461d132a9a/8.6.5/doc/hakyll-4.13.0.1/Hakyll-Core-Rules.html
2020-04-04 20:38:14	mr_sm1th	source: /home/bart/.stack/snapshots/x86_64-linux-tinfo6/a03ad3ae1b6163f760c6bb6cc16cc57d18c279e3255634509cf400461d132a9a/8.6.5/doc/hakyll-4.13.0.1/src/Hakyll.Core.Rules.html
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2020-04-04 20:39:27	wz1000	hmm, interesting
2020-04-04 20:39:59	wz1000	HIE expects the source file to also use '-' instead of '.' as a seperator
2020-04-04 20:40:19	mr_sm1th	Cool!
2020-04-04 20:40:24	mr_sm1th	So we found a bug? :)
2020-04-04 20:40:40	wz1000	I guess. Or haddock behaviour changed sometime
2020-04-04 20:41:53	wz1000	mr_sm1th: if you're up for patching this, see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/Haddock.hs#L65
2020-04-04 20:42:32	wz1000	A simple fix would be to check for both versions of the file, with the '.' and with '-', and simply return whichever one exists on disk
2020-04-04 20:43:07	wz1000	I assume the files for which you do get the Source link on hover use '-'?
2020-04-04 20:43:14	mr_sm1th	Sure! Thanks :)
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2020-04-04 21:05:01	mr_sm1th	wz1000, Another interesting feature would be to go to the Source of an external package with the 'Go to defenition' feature (if it is available).
2020-04-04 21:14:21	wz1000	maybe, but its an html file, so if you just report it like that you will end up in the middle of html soup in vscode
2020-04-04 21:14:58	wz1000	I don't think LSP provides a way for us to tell vscode to render the html instead
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2020-04-04 22:47:31	mr_sm1th	Ah yes, of course.
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2020-04-04 23:31:11	mr_sm1th	wz1000, And yes that is indeed the case.
2020-04-04 23:31:29	mr_sm1th	I created an issue for it because it's a bit too hard for me still, just getting started again with Haskell https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1722
2020-04-04 23:31:51	mr_sm1th	But if no-one picked it up by the time I feel comfortable fixing it, I will :)
2020-04-04 23:38:18	wz1000	mr_sm1th: thanks for the issue! If you want I can guide you through the process of fixing it. It should just be a couple of lines
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2020-04-04 23:52:06	mr_sm1th	wz1000, That would be nice. My first thought is to let mfs :: Maybe [FilePath] (with and without dashes) and then filter over that with exists and then pull one out using listToMaybe.
2020-04-04 23:53:03	wz1000	yeah that could work. mfs :: [FilePath] could work just as well
2020-04-04 23:53:43	wz1000	concatMap would be useful here, if you change go to return a list
2020-04-04 23:55:02	mr_sm1th	is map (\x -> if x == '.' then '-' else x) really the most consise way to replace a character within a String with Haskell by the way?
2020-04-04 23:55:22	wz1000	Maybe [a] is usually redundant, it can usually be replaced by just [a], with the empty list denoting failure
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2020-04-04 23:55:47	mr_sm1th	Data.List.Utils has a replace function I see
2020-04-04 23:55:55	wz1000	I guess you could golf it more, but since String = [Char], seemed like the most straightforward
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2020-04-04 23:56:16	mr_sm1th	wz1000, How do you test hie when developing it?
2020-04-04 23:56:32	mr_sm1th	Do you just run it? Or do you use Debug.Trace?
2020-04-04 23:57:35	wz1000	usually just run it, debug.trace or similar logging when I'm tracking down a difficult bug
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2020-04-05 00:01:32	wz1000	once you have mfs :: [FilePath], you can use filterM doesFileExist
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2020-04-05 00:07:22	wz1000	you can also use lukelau's awesome lsp-test library to write a test, but its kinda cumbersome for this kind of stuff where you have to set up exactly the right kind of environment
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2020-04-05 00:10:29	mr_sm1th	I'm having trouble getting [FilePath] because lookupHtmls returns Maybe [FilePath]
2020-04-05 00:12:18	mr_sm1th	I can use a case expression, but then I'd have to write a nested do block?? Man I'm so confused haha
2020-04-05 00:13:04	wz1000	try maybe [] id 
2020-04-05 00:13:16	wz1000	maybe [] id :: Maybe [a] -> [a]
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2020-04-05 00:14:02	wz1000	also concat . maybeToList :: Maybe [a] -> [a]
2020-04-05 00:15:28	wz1000	fromMaybe [] also. Take your pick
2020-04-05 00:16:38	wz1000	you don't need a nested do block btw. case expressions are just like other expressions
2020-04-05 00:17:14	wz1000	doSomething (case xs of Nothing -> []; Just xs -> xs)
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2020-04-05 00:19:13	mr_sm1th	Thanks! It finally type checks, so if the saying is true it should work now :}
2020-04-05 00:19:28	mr_sm1th	I write Python for my day job so I'm really not used to thinking about types anymore
2020-04-05 00:21:40	wz1000	hah, when I write python my brain keeps trying to superimpose a type-checker to make sense of anything
2020-04-05 00:23:42	mr_sm1th	This is what I have now https://gist.github.com/louwers/47af7abe6f9fbab69fa80c8475420ee3
2020-04-05 00:23:54	mr_sm1th	It still doesn't seem to work unfortunetely
2020-04-05 00:25:03	wz1000	are you sure you're using the right binary? Because that seems fine
2020-04-05 00:26:11	wz1000	if you are, try adding a call to debugm to print out the htmls before returning them
2020-04-05 00:26:25	mr_sm1th	No I'm not using the right binary...
2020-04-05 00:26:48	mr_sm1th	The hie-wrapper I compiled calls hie in /usr/bin/hie
2020-04-05 00:27:09	mr_sm1th	How do you make sure VS Code calls the right hie?
2020-04-05 00:27:32	wz1000	I usually modify the configuration in vscode to point it to my own wrapper script
2020-04-05 00:27:49	mr_sm1th	Yes that's what I did! But it still opens the wrong hie for some reason
2020-04-05 00:27:51	wz1000	which invokes the hie binary I want
2020-04-05 00:28:01	mr_sm1th	I set languageServerHaskell.useCustomHieWrapperPath
2020-04-05 00:28:51	mr_sm1th	This is what ps -ax | grep hie says https://gist.github.com/louwers/4092a116129795d2bc972ea11caffee6
2020-04-05 00:30:15	wz1000	you also have to check the useCustomHieWrapper option
2020-04-05 00:31:05	mr_sm1th	Yes that's set to true.
2020-04-05 00:31:19	mr_sm1th	But that hie-wrapper is some compiled binary instead of a shell script...?
2020-04-05 00:31:20	wz1000	hmm, strange. Try restarting vscode?
2020-04-05 00:31:33	mr_sm1th	Should it be a shell script?
2020-04-05 00:31:49	wz1000	yeah, I make a script that just invokes the right version of hie
2020-04-05 00:31:56	wz1000	without the wrapper business
2020-04-05 00:32:26	wz1000	#!/bin/bash; path/to/hie/binary $@
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2020-04-05 00:40:14	mr_sm1th	error "unable to load package ghc-prim-0.5.3"
2020-04-05 00:40:34	mpickering	wrong ghc version
2020-04-05 00:40:35	mr_sm1th	I've not looked into stack much so I might have something misconfigured
2020-04-05 00:40:54	mr_sm1th	shouldn't stack use the right GHC version automatically?
2020-04-05 00:42:29	wz1000	no, it picks the one in your stack.yaml
2020-04-05 00:42:32	mr_sm1th	Ah of the project 
2020-04-05 00:42:54	wz1000	make sure you compile hie with the version of ghc used in the stack.yaml of your project
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2020-04-05 02:07:49	mr_sm1th	OK I had to compile for a few hours. But it doesn't show any documentation anymore unfortunetely.
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2020-04-05 02:26:12	mr_sm1th	trace not outputting anything
2020-04-05 02:26:24	mr_sm1th	I'm bailing. wz1000 thank you very much for your help. appreciate it
2020-04-05 02:28:04	wz1000	maybe you don't have haddocks for your recompiled distribution. Do submit a PR, I'm quite sure your code is correct
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2020-04-05 09:33:24	heatsink	I haven't been able to run hie without errors.  Is there a sample project that hie is supposed to be able to handle?
2020-04-05 09:43:15	jophish	heatsink: small project here which works for me: https://github.com/expipiplus1/hie-reload-example
2020-04-05 09:43:32	jophish	It's to reproduce a bug, but the bug is performance not functionality related
2020-04-05 09:46:57	heatsink	If I run `hie-wrapper` in the root directory of the project, I get the error "hie: Can't parse "/opt/local/lib/ghc-7.8.3/platformConstants"
2020-04-05 09:47:46	heatsink	The file looks like it was created with a default Show implementation
2020-04-05 09:48:06	heatsink	I used stack to build hie, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't built using ghc-7.8.3
2020-04-05 09:49:54	heatsink	I don't know what's going on here, such as why hie is trying to read files from the system installed ghc directory
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2020-04-06 00:25:12	fendor	jneira, does your branch (PR ghc-8.8.3) compile for you with cabal? 
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2020-04-06 01:40:48	jneira	it did it last time, but that was some time ago
2020-04-06 01:41:03	jneira	fendor ^^
2020-04-06 01:41:53	fendor	jneira, I am failing to find a build-plan :( for some reason, my cabal-plan never selects haddock-api 2.31.1. Dou you have an idea why?
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2020-04-06 01:56:21	jneira	fendor: i lost the connection just when i mentioned `index-state`
2020-04-06 01:56:33	jneira	did you check it?
2020-04-06 01:57:05	fendor	jneira, I removed the index-state in cabal.project and cabal.project.8.8.3
2020-04-06 01:57:25	fendor	actually, the last mesasge I saw from you was >  it did it last time, but that was some time ago
2020-04-06 01:58:48	jneira	ok i am trying myself now
2020-04-06 02:00:10	fendor	thank you :3
2020-04-06 02:02:59	fendor	feeling bad already for pestering you with it on a sunday evening
2020-04-06 02:04:59	jneira	no worries, there is no so diff between sunday and monday, being enclosed :-D 
2020-04-06 02:07:11	fendor	that's true
2020-04-06 02:09:12	jneira	well, i've rebased master with suppor to unliftio-core >= 2.0 and the engine started
2020-04-06 02:10:49	fendor	ok, and you are using haddock-api latest version?
2020-04-06 02:11:45	jneira	yeah, i deleted the github remote package
2020-04-06 02:12:02	jneira	keeping the index-sate
2020-04-06 02:12:11	jneira	*index-state
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2020-04-06 02:12:27	fendor	hmpf. I messing something up then
2020-04-06 02:12:37	fendor	maybe it is time to nuke the cabal store
2020-04-06 02:12:38	jneira	i force pushed the changes
2020-04-06 02:12:42	fendor	thank you! 
2020-04-06 02:12:45	fendor	checking them out 
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2020-04-06 02:12:56	jneira	(and i did a cabal update before building)
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2020-04-06 02:16:20	fendor	still failing for me, I am using `cabal build -w ghc-8.8.3 exe:hie  --project-file cabal.project-8.8.3`
2020-04-06 02:17:25	fendor	And it fails with the same  message as in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1670#issuecomment-596786434 
2020-04-06 02:17:37	fendor	it selects haddock-api 2.23.0 for building, which seems off
2020-04-06 02:19:20	fendor	and when I force `haddock-api >= 2.23.1` it refuses to build
2020-04-06 02:19:26	jneira	arrgh, i forgot to include the key prt: -w ghc-8.8.3 :-D
2020-04-06 02:19:28	jneira	omg
2020-04-06 02:19:53	jneira	i had to add with-compiler: ghc-8.8.3 to those version specific files
2020-04-06 02:22:02	fendor	ah, now it works to remove the index-state!
2020-04-06 02:22:10	jneira	well it start to build with -w ghc-8.8.3 too
2020-04-06 02:22:29	fendor	ok, thank you! Ill investigate the failing test-cases
2020-04-06 02:23:43	jneira	nice! 
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2020-04-06 15:15:44	jneira	fendor: good morning, i've updated the ghc-8.8.3 branch, the cabal.project-{ver} are not longer needed :-)
2020-04-06 15:16:18	jneira	let me know if i can help to diganose/fix the tests cases
2020-04-06 15:18:47	mpickering	fendor: jneira Any comments about the stability of the multi-component branhc?
2020-04-06 15:25:47	fendor	jneira, thank you! Will get to it once I am back from the recycling place
2020-04-06 15:26:30	fendor	mpickering, so far, pretty good. Once I observed obscene amount of memory, but I think this was because of an old version. 
2020-04-06 15:26:46	mpickering	I will open a PR then?
2020-04-06 15:26:55	fendor	yeah I would say so
2020-04-06 15:28:01	mpickering	thanks for your feedback
2020-04-06 15:28:16	fendor	on cabal on windows, I currently get the error that external packages can not be resolved. But it worked before, I need to debug what is happening
2020-04-06 15:28:33	fendor	*external dependencies
2020-04-06 15:28:43	fendor	but it only happened yesterday
2020-04-06 15:28:47	mpickering	I think ghcide leaks quite a bit of memory anyway
2020-04-06 15:28:52	mpickering	I am using it working on ghc now
2020-04-06 15:28:58	mpickering	residency keeps increasing
2020-04-06 15:29:01	fendor	nice!
2020-04-06 15:29:02	fendor	brb
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2020-04-06 15:53:26	wz1000	mpickering: did you try heap profiling with that lsp-test thing you wrote last year?
2020-04-06 15:53:44	mpickering	more specific?
2020-04-06 15:55:17	wz1000	the eventlog stuff you used for hunting leaks in hie
2020-04-06 15:55:41	wz1000	https://lukelau.me/haskell/posts/leak/
2020-04-06 15:57:14	wz1000	also what should I do with my shake scheduler patch? Clean it up and open a PR?
2020-04-06 15:57:24	mpickering	yeah, I think so
2020-04-06 15:57:29	mpickering	not sure what you mean still
2020-04-06 15:57:36	mpickering	I have profiled hie using normal heap profiling
2020-04-06 15:57:43	mpickering	but not using anything to do with lsp-test
2020-04-06 15:58:47	wz1000	I think I remember there was this lsp-test script you were using to get reproducible heap-profiles? that reloaded the module a bunch of times, maybe with a few hovers?
2020-04-06 15:59:23	wz1000	wanted to see how ghcide compares on that same test
2020-04-06 16:00:12	mpickering	you can just program that stuff directly in ghcide
2020-04-06 16:00:19	mpickering	by using `runActionSync`
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2020-04-06 23:52:26	mpickering	fendor: Can you try the branch again please?
2020-04-06 23:52:50	mpickering	I remove the uninteruptibleMask, wz1000 will be glad to hear
2020-04-07 00:12:17	wz1000	why is shake throwing these asynchronous exceptions around anyway?
2020-04-07 00:13:23	wz1000	only reasonable use for them I can think of would be to cancel actions that have already started
2020-04-07 00:14:08	wz1000	are they all due to lsp cancel requests?
2020-04-07 00:17:29	mpickering	When it receives an LSP request it cancels all running actions and restarts them
2020-04-07 00:18:53	wz1000	any request?
2020-04-07 00:19:24	wz1000	or things that change the document and stuff?
2020-04-07 00:19:59	wz1000	because it seems wasteful to throw away a compile just because you received a hover
2020-04-07 00:21:54	fendor	mpickering, sure, reinstalling it
2020-04-07 00:23:18	mpickering	things which change the document I think
2020-04-07 00:23:22	mpickering	but it's not very precise
2020-04-07 00:24:24	mpickering	I made the PR anyway - https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/pull/522
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2020-04-07 01:22:11	alanz_	I just remembered we have not had a monthly release for hie :(
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2020-04-07 02:17:58	jneira	well, maybe we can apply the gov delay for all activities but the essential ones :-D
2020-04-07 02:21:23	alanz_	maybe. But I am starting on it anyway. Put my head down to work on some GHC stuff and lost track of time :)
2020-04-07 02:21:34	alanz_	focus === not doing other stuff
2020-04-07 02:22:22	alanz_	Now I am going to base hls on mpickering's multi branch, so we can give it some usage
2020-04-07 02:24:37	alanz_	jneira, I am assuming 8.8.3 is going to miss the cut this time
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2020-04-07 02:35:30	alanz_	mpickering, to me it looks like you can delete exe/Util.hs from your multi branch?
2020-04-07 02:36:37	mpickering	seems so
2020-04-07 02:37:01	mpickering	I am a bit wary that people will not like my implementation very much as it doesn't use stuff from shake like the old code used to
2020-04-07 02:39:50	jneira	alanz: i am afraid that it is the case
2020-04-07 02:41:32	alanz_	mpickering, it has to work, that is the main thing
2020-04-07 02:41:56	mpickering	need more people to test it and comment
2020-04-07 02:42:03	alanz_	And I know ndm has said shake is a placeholder, takes the project a long was as a quick start
2020-04-07 02:42:23	alanz_	and I am reworking my hls branch to use it, going to make it main
2020-04-07 02:42:43	alanz_	its better than current main, I had someone trying to use that a few days ago
2020-04-07 02:43:15	alanz_	jneira, bumping the cabal index sorts out 8.8.3, will work it though
2020-04-07 02:43:19	alanz_	through
2020-04-07 02:43:58	alanz_	and people can use the bleeding edge for 8.8.3, rather let it bake for a bit without raising expectations too much
2020-04-07 02:45:50	alanz_	jneira, is your cabal-helper still the right one? I think dxld bumped his recently?
2020-04-07 02:46:09	jneira	yeah, but a `stack-8.8.3.yaml` file is needed to allow the install script build with cabal and ghc-8.8.3
2020-04-07 02:46:36	jneira	they could use direct cabal calls only
2020-04-07 02:46:57	alanz_	jneira, sorry, in what context are you saying that? I am asking about cabal-helper
2020-04-07 02:47:22	jneira	they could use direct cabal calls only --> build hie with cabal and ghc-8.8.3
2020-04-07 02:48:08	jneira	yeah we can use a dxld commit that it is exactly equal to mine one
2020-04-07 02:48:12	alanz_	does stack-8.8.3.yaml need the imminent new stack release?
2020-04-07 02:48:19	jneira	not sure if we can use a newer one
2020-04-07 02:48:21	alanz_	in which case we definitely wait
2020-04-07 02:48:39	alanz_	either way, monthly release is consolidating current, not adding new
2020-04-07 02:49:41	jneira	the question is the test suite is still failing for ghc-8.8.3, with stack and cabal
2020-04-07 02:50:15	jneira	i think it is mainly usable but not sure if we can add somewhat "official" support
2020-04-07 02:50:43	alanz_	So it skips the monthly release. People can get it from master
2020-04-07 02:51:11	jneira	sounds good
2020-04-07 02:51:39	jneira	let me grab the cabal-helper upstream commit equivalent to mine one
2020-04-07 02:51:46	alanz_	I just updated to use haddock-api from hackage :)
2020-04-07 02:52:16	alanz_	which is going to unblock my haddock branch on hls too, I think
2020-04-07 02:52:44	jneira	we can use master of cabal-helper, no new commits since the revert we needed: https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/commit/a18bbb2af92e9b4337e7f930cb80754f2408bcfd
2020-04-07 02:53:30	alanz_	ok.
2020-04-07 02:53:48	alanz_	And I must remember to bring it over for hls too
2020-04-07 02:54:30	jneira	i could do it :-)
2020-04-07 02:57:42	alanz_	I am putting together a fresh branch on my multi
2020-04-07 02:58:07	alanz_	do it for master (or a PR) if you like, I will pick it up from there
2020-04-07 02:58:15	jneira	:+1:
2020-04-07 02:59:06	alanz_	and then my plan is to bring over the haddock processing, so if you want to tackle that (if you have time) let me know
2020-04-07 02:59:32	alanz_	so we can get the decent formatting, and monomorphic signatures too
2020-04-07 02:59:43	alanz_	haddock == hover in general
2020-04-07 03:00:36	jneira	it is already done in master, i forgot it 
2020-04-07 03:03:34	alanz_	:+1:
2020-04-07 03:04:29	jneira	mmm ok, i was experimenting again with the cabal-helper cradle but it seems the usual files will be changed (Main, Rules, etc)
2020-04-07 03:04:43	alanz_	ok
2020-04-07 03:05:10	alanz_	I think it is best to wait for mpickering multi to land before taking that too far forward in ghcide/hls
2020-04-07 03:06:21	mpickering	alanz_:  there is haddock support in Pepe's latest PR
2020-04-07 03:06:41	alanz_	Ok, I will see how it looks
2020-04-07 03:06:51	alanz_	been away from things for a week
2020-04-07 03:08:02	jneira	well until now the code points to be changed to add cabal-helper cradle were relatively bounded  
2020-04-07 03:09:06	alanz_	if you are comfortable to do it, go for it. I am not fully in touch with where it fits. I just know that there is quite a big change from mpickering. Chat to each other if necessary
2020-04-07 03:09:37	jneira	it is better to wait, yeah
2020-04-07 03:46:51	alanz_	jneira, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1724/checks?check_run_id=565732305 :(
2020-04-07 03:48:02	alanz_	transient?
2020-04-07 03:48:04	alanz_	2020-04-06T21:40:06.2242490Z exception was:
2020-04-07 03:48:04	alanz_	2020-04-06T21:40:06.2242730Z user error (hTryLock: lock already exists:
2020-04-07 03:48:04	alanz_	2020-04-06T21:40:06.2243410Z /Users/runner/.cabal/packages/hackage.haskell.org/hackage-security-lock)
2020-04-07 03:48:16	jneira	i think so
2020-04-07 03:48:41	alanz_	https://gist.github.com/alanz/a25441769b11beee647d75d1db446956
2020-04-07 03:48:46	alanz_	is the broken bit
2020-04-07 03:49:56	jneira	 a rerun should work
2020-04-07 03:54:23	alanz_	ok
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2020-04-07 13:52:30	pie_[bnc]	I dont suppose ghc(i) has some kind of debugger protocol
2020-04-07 13:53:05	pie_[bnc]	if i wanted to fiddle with writing a tui for the debugger is there any reasonable way to do the actual talking to the debugger part, or do i just start parsing ghci output lol
2020-04-07 13:53:21	pie_[bnc]	(probably not going to do anything any time soon though)
2020-04-07 14:03:54	mpickering	there is not protocol
2020-04-07 14:03:56	mpickering	*no
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2020-04-07 14:51:21	pie_[bnc]	guess im stuck with directly interfacing with the repl eh
2020-04-07 15:01:11	mpickering	or
2020-04-07 15:01:16	mpickering	implement the machine interface in GHC
2020-04-07 15:16:32	jneira	pie_[bnc] maybe you already are aware but there are links to maybe related prior work here: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/haskell-dap
2020-04-07 15:16:52	jneira	sorry the link was  https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/204#issuecomment-362497646
2020-04-07 15:17:12	jneira	it contains the previous one about haskell-dap
2020-04-07 15:17:16	pie_[bnc]	nope im not aware
2020-04-07 15:17:59	pie_[bnc]	that looks useful
2020-04-07 15:18:17	pie_[bnc]	though im not sure how capable id be at hacking ghci guts, mostly wanted to maybe throw a crappy UI together, we'll see
2020-04-07 15:18:19	pie_[bnc]	thanks for the pointer!
2020-04-07 15:18:35	jneira	:+1:
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2020-04-07 22:59:27	fendor	jneira25, found the problem with stack
2020-04-07 22:59:34	fendor	on pr ghc-8.8.3
2020-04-07 23:04:38	fendor	jneira25, PR on your repo: https://github.com/jneira/haskell-ide-engine/pull/2
2020-04-07 23:04:58	fendor	on local tests, this made all unit-tests succeed, didnt execute for func-tests yet
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2020-04-08 00:39:14	alanz_	Here is the 1.3 changelog for proofreading: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1726
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2020-04-08 00:42:22	jneira	fendor: great, i'll take a look asap
2020-04-08 00:42:51	fendor	jneira, no hurry. change is trivial
2020-04-08 00:44:38	fendor	alanz_, thank you!
2020-04-08 00:46:26	alanz_	fendor, no problem. And I want to merge the multi-support into hls tonight, so we can start focusing on that
2020-04-08 00:47:20	fendor	alanz_, good! are you using hls as a daily driver yet?
2020-04-08 00:47:56	alanz_	yes, have been for a while. But, tbh, been in the bowels of GHC this last week, so have it disabled for that
2020-04-08 00:48:32	alanz_	And using it now. But contemplating diverting into updating emacs-lsp to support 3.15 progress
2020-04-08 00:48:55	alanz_	as hls provides it, but emacs does not know how to process it
2020-04-08 00:50:43	alanz_	And I can't bring myself to use vscode :(
2020-04-08 00:51:47	fendor	i am trying to motivate myself to migrate from vscode... but it is a lot of work
2020-04-08 00:52:12	jneira	i replaced emacs with vscode :-)  
2020-04-08 00:52:40	jneira	with emacs bindings...
2020-04-08 00:52:50	alanz_	I have *nothing* against vscode, and would happily use it. Its just I have 20 years muscle memory with emacs
2020-04-08 00:53:27	jneira	have you tried the emacs bindings? there are seveal extensions
2020-04-08 00:53:47	jneira	mine is not perfect but alt-x open the command palette :-P
2020-04-08 00:54:18	alanz_	I use emacs with evil, so when I use vscode I have the vim plugin
2020-04-08 00:54:39	alanz_	But there is other emacs stuff I use. Nothing can touch magit, and I use org-mode quite a bit
2020-04-08 00:55:23	alanz_	The weird thing is I have to dev against vscode for work. On a mac. So its a double whammy
2020-04-08 00:55:45	alanz_	And full of company-internal plugins
2020-04-08 00:56:41	alanz_	on another note, editing a test to pass with hls. It is *fast* :)
2020-04-08 00:56:50	alanz_	thanks mpickering et al
2020-04-08 00:58:42	alanz_	I wonder if we should do a release of hie and of hls
2020-04-08 00:58:53	alanz_	tag it and say it is there, use at your own risk
2020-04-08 01:01:04	alanz_	I wish I had double capacity at circle CI
2020-04-08 01:01:30	alanz_	jneira, what is azure like in terms of parallel builds, queues etc?
2020-04-08 01:01:54	alanz_	I suppose the reality is that circle finishes before azure
2020-04-08 01:02:01	alanz_	on our PRs
2020-04-08 01:02:12	jneira	mmm 5 or 6 parallel builds, but we have a lot of  jobs
2020-04-08 01:02:12	fendor	yeah, I think it does
2020-04-08 01:03:27	fendor	although, when the cache is hit, then azure builds take like 7 min
2020-04-08 01:04:05	fendor	scratch that, more like 20
2020-04-08 01:04:25	alanz_	ok. The resolver bump builds took forever, but,resolver bump
2020-04-08 01:04:56	alanz_	95 mins per build, on circle
2020-04-08 01:05:35	fendor	the tests seem way faster now that we are demotet hsimport tests to unit-tests
2020-04-08 01:05:51	fendor	7 min for only tests
2020-04-08 01:06:32	alanz_	makes a big difference
2020-04-08 01:06:48	alanz_	the overhead to starting up a functional test is huge. Per test.
2020-04-08 01:06:59	fendor	totally. Although I dont even know why these hsimport tests took such a huge amount of time
2020-04-08 01:07:15	fendor	it seems like waiting for code-actions took forever
2020-04-08 01:09:39	alanz_	I guess we should dive into the performance of those things some time
2020-04-08 01:09:53	alanz_	Does hsimport use the GHC AST, or something else? Still HSE?
2020-04-08 01:10:33	fendor	yeah, but it is on the top of my list (with low priority tasks) to migrate to GHC-LIB
2020-04-08 01:11:18	fendor	although I wondered, will it then only work on the same source files as it has been compiled with? I suppose the import API doesnt change very often, but still
2020-04-08 01:12:38	fendor	s/on the same source files/on source files that are compiled with the same ghc version/
2020-04-08 01:12:47	alanz_	disclaimer, I am not 100% on top of what hsimport does.   But the ghcide core provides us with very fast access to a GHC AST, updated on the fly
2020-04-08 01:14:54	fendor	hsimport provides an api to generate an import line. E.g. `hsimport -s foo -m Data.Foo` -> `import Data.Foo (foo)`
2020-04-08 01:15:13	fendor	does hlint use both now? ghc-lib and ghc?
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2020-04-08 01:18:10	fendor	I am a bit confused how ghc-lib solves the problem that hse couldnt
2020-04-08 01:23:56	alanz_	ghc decouples the GHC ast from the the one used by ghc-lib
2020-04-08 01:24:43	alanz_	so you can *parse* for other versions of GHC, in an older one. And if they happen to match, you use the actual GHC AST
2020-04-08 01:25:45	fendor	but it still more work to maintain, than hse, right? But hse has the drawback that it just wasnt feasible in the long run?
2020-04-08 01:25:46	alanz_	so (as I understand it anyway), you can compile ghc-lib with any version of GHC, say GHC 8.6.5, but it uses the parser/ast from GHC 8.10.1, and you work with that AST
2020-04-08 01:26:22	alanz_	hse has to run to catch up with GHC all the time. ghc-lib is just a wrapper around GHC front end, so it is automatically up to date
2020-04-08 01:26:34	alanz_	so long as you dont want to actually compile the file with it
2020-04-08 01:26:48	alanz_	so it is a good match for things like hlint
2020-04-08 01:27:12	alanz_	and I think digital asset have their own back-end which they drive from it too
2020-04-08 01:28:44	fendor	ok, makes sense. thanks for the explanation!
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2020-04-08 01:29:06	alanz_	jneira, the circleci tests passed for the version bump/changelog. Do you think there is any point waiting for azure too?
2020-04-08 01:29:46	alanz_	fendor: sure. Explaining it helped me get my own brain a little straighter on it. Hopefully I am not off-base on the explanation
2020-04-08 01:31:05	fendor	it makes sense, and it does not contradict my understanding of it so far, so Ill assume it is correct :)
2020-04-08 01:40:04	alanz_	Is it possible to specify values for environment variables in hie.yaml?
2020-04-08 01:47:53	fendor	no
2020-04-08 01:48:16	alanz_	ok
2020-04-08 01:48:21	fendor	but I suppose that is actually a straight forward feature
2020-04-08 01:49:09	alanz_	yes, and can be useful to change the value of things depending on whether it is is under hie-bios or not
2020-04-08 01:49:27	alanz_	I think ghcide #defines something for that case. But that needs CPP
2020-04-08 01:50:24	fendor	yeah, I think to avoid loading somethign that ghcide can not laod yet
2020-04-08 01:50:34	fendor	do we have a feature request in hie?
2020-04-08 01:53:51	fendor	*hie-bios
2020-04-08 01:54:17	alanz_	no, but I was looking at https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/issues/214
2020-04-08 01:54:42	alanz_	but the question does not really make sense, to be honest
2020-04-08 01:55:50	alanz_	however, the erlang language server lets you do it in its config file. See https://github.com/erlang-ls/erlang_ls#customization
2020-04-08 01:55:55	alanz_	its quite useful
2020-04-08 01:56:23	alanz_	but those are the equivalent of #define. Or code constants
2020-04-08 01:56:27	fendor	ah. In hie-bios there is https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/issues/160
2020-04-08 01:56:55	alanz_	I thought I had seen something about it in there somewhere
2020-04-08 02:03:54	alanz_	FWIW, I just merged the multi-stuff into hls master
2020-04-08 02:06:53	fendor	nice! Then I will use hls as my daily driver from tomorrow on!
2020-04-08 02:08:31	alanz_	jneira, fendor I have been testing hls using "cabal new-install --overwrite-policy=always haskell-language-server:exe:haskell-language-server"
2020-04-08 02:08:49	alanz_	which is great, because I don't have to keep the original .stack-work floating around
2020-04-08 02:09:11	alanz_	is there a way to do the equivalent with the ./install.hs ?
2020-04-08 02:10:21	fendor	alanz_, ./install.hs with cabal installs it in the global store, so I think that ought to work?
2020-04-08 02:10:59	alanz_	yes
2020-04-08 02:11:15	alanz_	so "cabal v2-run install.hs --project-file install/shake.project -- <target> [options]"?
2020-04-08 02:11:28	fendor	so, yes, iirc install.hs with cabal does exactly that.
2020-04-08 02:11:37	 *	alanz_ should RTFM
2020-04-08 02:11:59	fendor	./cabal-hie-install hie
2020-04-08 02:12:07	alanz_	yes, just saw that :)
2020-04-08 02:12:15	fendor	I dont think we have option support
2020-04-08 02:12:39	alanz_	running it bare, will see what it does
2020-04-08 02:13:08	alanz_	And wondering if I should update vscode plugin to have an option for hls
2020-04-08 02:13:48	alanz_	perhaps not make it *too* easy for people
2020-04-08 02:14:14	fendor	shouldnt it be possible to set a custom path to hls and it is a drop-in replacement?
2020-04-08 02:14:44	alanz_	thats what I do. Only thing is you cant use verbose logging
2020-04-08 02:14:52	alanz_	it does not understand --vomit
2020-04-08 02:15:04	alanz_	ditto for drop-in for emacs
2020-04-08 02:15:09	alanz_	and its deliberate :)
2020-04-08 02:15:58	fendor	that needs to be updated anyways, since I deprecated the vomit option in hie 1.0 :D 
2020-04-08 02:16:41	alanz_	ok. I *just* published a new vscode version. Let me take a look
2020-04-08 02:17:22	alanz_	right, time to rip out vomit. 
2020-04-08 02:19:06	fendor	yay :) 
2020-04-08 02:30:04	alanz_	pushed, must wend its way through CI and the market. Version 0.0.39 will have it removed
2020-04-08 02:30:13	alanz_	and I merged 1.3, will tag it shortly
2020-04-08 02:31:18	alanz_	tagged.
2020-04-08 02:32:49	alanz_	and changelog tag text copied over
2020-04-08 02:34:48	jneira	time to update hls
2020-04-08 02:35:15	jneira	sorry, family time
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2020-04-08 02:36:07	fendor	thank you! 
2020-04-08 02:36:42	alanz_	sure
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2020-04-08 02:46:45	jneira	alanz_: i have some changes from my experiments withcabal-cradle, lie show the actual args and used plugins when started the lsp server
2020-04-08 02:46:51	jneira	*like
2020-04-08 02:47:10	jneira	is the example plugin disabled by default now?
2020-04-08 02:47:29	alanz_	yes
2020-04-08 02:47:41	alanz_	and enabled with the flag, as it is supposed to work
2020-04-08 02:49:40	jneira	> I dont think we have option support
2020-04-08 02:50:20	jneira	nope, i've been about to add it to install.hs several times, but the complexity did not worth it
2020-04-08 02:50:32	alanz_	what do you mean?
2020-04-08 02:50:43	alanz_	the example plugin is enabled with a run-time flag
2020-04-08 02:50:57	jneira	options support for the install.hs script in hls
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2020-04-08 02:51:19	jneira	i am rereading the talk
2020-04-08 02:51:39	alanz_	ok
2020-04-08 02:52:23	fendor	jneira, I think dropping the use of shake and using optparse-applicative would be a worthwhile addition, since installation of hie/hls is way simpler than it was when it was written
2020-04-08 02:52:29	alanz_	and you know how shake works from the install script, so should be able to understand it
2020-04-08 02:53:07	jneira	fendor: agree, shake does not add any value now
2020-04-08 02:53:13	alanz_	I just flushed all my hie binaries from the stack install bin dir, and reinstalled with cabal :)
2020-04-08 02:53:34	alanz_	no more dangling .stack-work dirs
2020-04-08 02:54:25	jneira	other than learn a little bit of shake :-P
2020-04-08 02:58:14	jneira	i use a custom set of settings to use hls with vscode
2020-04-08 02:58:49	jneira	{
2020-04-08 02:58:50	jneira	    "languageServerHaskell.useCustomHieWrapperPath": "D:\\bin\\haskell-language-server-wrapper.exe",
2020-04-08 02:58:50	jneira	    "languageServerHaskell.useCustomHieWrapper": true,
2020-04-08 02:58:51	jneira	    "languageServerHaskell.trace.server": "messages",
2020-04-08 02:58:51	jneira	    "languageServerHaskell.formattingProvider": "floskell",
2020-04-08 02:58:52	jneira	    "languageServerHaskell.logFile": "C:\\TEMP\\hls.log"
2020-04-08 02:58:52	jneira	}
2020-04-08 03:00:00	jneira	"messages" set the `-d` thing, it is enough for now
2020-04-08 03:00:00	alanz_	have it on my path, so just set 
2020-04-08 03:00:01	alanz_	{
2020-04-08 03:00:01	alanz_	    "languageServerHaskell.trace.server": "messages",
2020-04-08 03:00:01	alanz_	    "languageServerHaskell.hieExecutablePath": "haskell-language-server"
2020-04-08 03:00:01	alanz_	}
2020-04-08 03:00:08	jneira	he
2020-04-08 03:00:40	alanz_	and the messages show up in the output pane
2020-04-08 03:00:54	alanz_	if you hit the dropdown in the top right and select it
2020-04-08 03:02:22	jneira	i prefer use the log and separate two outputs (stdout and stderr??)
2020-04-08 03:02:39	jneira	i am used to it since hie worked taht way
2020-04-08 03:03:43	alanz_	yes. It is useful
2020-04-08 03:03:55	jneira	although sometime i lost the history the interesting thing usually are in the log
2020-04-08 03:03:57	alanz_	but I just about never use vscode, so its not a problem
2020-04-08 03:04:22	alanz_	and emacs presents a stderr buffer, and also one with the lsp messages. And if I want I can see the other log too
2020-04-08 03:11:13	fendor	jneira, your pr for ghc 8.8.3 seems to be working now!
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2020-04-08 03:49:14	alanz_	emacs can now choose between hie, hls, ghcide, or custom: https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell/commit/f7d1f190ebacc96ddbc722e76730ca2db3c4ce38
2020-04-08 03:49:25	alanz_	(when it works through melpa)
2020-04-08 03:55:54	jneira	fendor: nice!
2020-04-08 03:57:04	jneira	azure has not been triggered, maybe due to merging the pr (??)
2020-04-08 03:59:12	jneira	but circle ci looks good
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2020-04-09 16:04:54	mpickering	wz1000: Have you made this PR to shake yet?
2020-04-09 17:16:41	wz1000	mpickering: no, I'll make it today
2020-04-09 17:16:52	wz1000	should I remove the tracing stuff, or let it be?
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2020-04-09 23:35:59	mpickering	wz1000: My opinion is to keep the tracing in
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2020-04-11 01:17:12	shafox	Hi I am using stack, and with the latest lts I have created a project. Now in my emacs with lsp-mode, I get error such as bios: Bad interface file: then the path to the file.hi mismatched interface file versions wanted 8082, got 8083
2020-04-11 01:25:24	wz1000	shafox: you are using HIE built with ghc 8.8.2, but the stack project uses ghc 8.8.3
2020-04-11 01:26:28	wz1000	either change your lts to 8.8.2 or use jneira's branch at your own peril
2020-04-11 01:26:32	wz1000	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1697
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2020-04-11 02:14:07	jneira	shafox, fortunately the pr is about to be merged
2020-04-11 02:14:13	jneira	ops
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2020-04-11 02:50:56	jneira	fendor: do you think we can merge the ghc-8.8.3 support?
2020-04-11 02:51:15	fendor	jneira, yeah I think that is fine
2020-04-11 02:51:17	jneira	circle ci and most azure jobs are green now
2020-04-11 02:51:44	jneira	(and failing ones are almost all the stack linux ones)
2020-04-11 02:51:47	fendor	but we mustn't forget the issue.
2020-04-11 02:51:48	jneira	great
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2020-04-11 11:00:30	shafox	I am not able to use ghcide as my backend in emacs. Even if I do customize, following as it is documentated in the readme of ghcide project, lsp-haskell always starts hie. Here is my config. https://github.com/shadow-fox/hestia/blob/develop/config/init-haskell.el 
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2020-04-11 22:58:36	wz1000	mpickering: https://github.com/ndmitchell/shake/pull/751
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2020-04-12 00:37:59	bgluzman	Hi all! Thank you for all your work on HIE/HLS. I'm running on Windows and I can get HIE running inside of my stack project. I'm trying to use the VSCode with it, and for single files I believe it is working (based on the output from setting "Trace: Server" to "verbose"). However, it doesn't seem to link definitions between files in my src
2020-04-12 00:38:00	bgluzman	directory and my app directory. For example, in app/Main.hs, it does not seem like I can "Jump to Definition" when selecting a function defined in src/Lib.h. I've tried creating a hie.yaml with a minimal cradle definition, but I would think that hie-bios would automatically understand that app/Main.hs and src/Lib.hs are part of the same project. Do
2020-04-12 00:38:00	bgluzman	you all have any recommendations about how I might start debugging this issue? 
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2020-04-12 00:39:33	fendor	bgluzman, hi! Unfortunately, this is a known limitation in HIE. 
2020-04-12 00:41:39	fendor	Actually, I think that most jump to definitions to other modules dont work
2020-04-12 00:42:20	fendor	so, even within the same component, it doesnt reliably work
2020-04-12 00:42:57	fendor	I think. Actually I am not sure anymore, but there is an issue for that: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1566
2020-04-12 00:43:51	bgluzman	Hi fendor, thank you for the quick reply! I see - that makes sense. I noticed that this is similarly true for renaming a function within a module: the renaming does not propagate to other modules.
2020-04-12 00:44:16	fendor	bgluzman, renaming is disabled entirely, at the moment, iirc
2020-04-12 00:45:59	bgluzman	fendor, I see, thanks! Are type signatures are exported and visible across modules? That is if I have function foo in src/Lib.hs, I can see its type in app/Main.hs, correct?
2020-04-12 00:46:12	bgluzman	See its type while editing the file, I mean.
2020-04-12 00:46:22	fendor	bgluzman, yeah, right
2020-04-12 00:47:10	bgluzman	fendor, okay, understood. Thank you again for your help! I'll keep tracking the issue you posted for updates.
2020-04-12 00:47:57	fendor	bgluzman, happy to help! I dont think that is necessary. It probably wont be fixed anymore
2020-04-12 00:48:18	fendor	rather keep an eye on HLS! Once it is stable, it will not have this issue
2020-04-12 00:49:14	bgluzman	Okay, got it, will do! I'll keep my on https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server . I'm excited to see how it progresses! :)
2020-04-12 00:49:47	fendor	bgluzman, me too :) You can also give ghcide a try, it has fewer features, but the ones it has are very stable and fast! 
2020-04-12 00:51:55	bgluzman	fendor, thanks for the suggestion! I'll try out ghcide and see how the experience compares.
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2020-04-13 04:13:08	jneira	I am getting lot of response timeout running `hoogle generate` in azure :-(
2020-04-13 04:13:26	jneira	https://dev.azure.com/jneira/haskell-ide-engine/_build/results?buildId=765&view=results
2020-04-13 04:13:52	jneira	Downloading https://www.stackage.org/nightly/cabal.config... hoogle: HttpExceptionRequest Request {
2020-04-13 04:13:52	jneira	  host                 = "www.stackage.org"
2020-04-13 04:13:53	jneira	  port                 = 443
2020-04-13 04:13:53	jneira	  secure               = True
2020-04-13 04:13:53	jneira	  requestHeaders       = []
2020-04-13 04:13:54	jneira	  path                 = "/nightly/cabal.config"
2020-04-13 04:13:54	jneira	  queryString          = ""
2020-04-13 04:13:55	jneira	  method               = "GET"
2020-04-13 04:13:56	jneira	  proxy                = Nothing
2020-04-13 04:13:56	jneira	  rawBody              = False
2020-04-13 04:13:57	jneira	  redirectCount        = 10
2020-04-13 04:13:57	jneira	  responseTimeout      = ResponseTimeoutDefault
2020-04-13 04:13:57	jneira	  requestVersion       = HTTP/1.1
2020-04-13 04:13:58	jneira	}
2020-04-13 04:13:58	jneira	 ResponseTimeout
2020-04-13 04:15:32	jneira	not reproducible locally, although the file takes several seconds to download
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2020-04-13 17:52:19	jneira	hi! i am testing haskell-language-server (which uses ghcide multi-rebase) and i am getting errors related with cpp
2020-04-13 17:53:52	jneira	i can reproduce it with `hie-bios check .\ghcide\src\Development\IDE\Core\Compile.hs`
2020-04-13 17:54:09	jneira	it worths open an issue in hie-bios, fendor?
2020-04-13 17:54:59	fendor	jneira, yeah, please do!
2020-04-13 17:55:24	jneira	`hie-bios debug .\ghcide\src\Development\IDE\Core\Compile.hs` output is
2020-04-13 17:55:30	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/ea9160541138d06160d6236a5ed1cd7c/pasted.txt
2020-04-13 17:55:56	jneira	And invoking ghc with those compiler options:
2020-04-13 17:56:02	fendor	however, hls and ghcide do not use check
2020-04-13 17:56:36	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/47a5404e7833a45c87e96e55646e23c7/pasted.txt
2020-04-13 17:56:56	jneira	invoking ghc with the options returned by hie-bios throws the same error in this case
2020-04-13 17:57:09	fendor	hm.
2020-04-13 17:57:17	jneira	(a little bit more detailed, it says the header cant be found)
2020-04-13 17:57:32	jneira	cabal repl is succesful though
2020-04-13 17:58:11	jneira	i mean `cabal repl .\ghcide\src\Development\IDE\Core\Compile.hs`
2020-04-13 17:58:57	mpickering	probably pwd is wrong>?
2020-04-13 17:59:27	jneira	i've deleted the hie-yaml inside ghcide to use the hie.yaml of hls itself:
2020-04-13 18:00:01	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/f98069b272403f68b074a6dc0bf984c4/pasted.txt
2020-04-13 18:06:17	fendor	can it be reproduced with plain ghcide?
2020-04-13 18:06:26	jneira	maybe mpickering is right, if i replace `-Iinclude` with `-Ighcide\include`it works
2020-04-13 18:09:21	jneira	but `-iD:\dev\ws\haskell\hls\ghcide\src` is right in theoriginal params
2020-04-13 18:11:08	jneira	fendor: master or multi-rebase version?
2020-04-13 18:11:44	fendor	jneira, doesnt matter for now, maybe this only happens if you open ghcide as a sub-project?
2020-04-13 18:12:47	jneira	open in vscode? i am opening it in "D:\dev\haskell\hls" (and i am running hie-bios in that directory)
2020-04-13 18:13:20	fendor	I am trying to reproduce it now
2020-04-13 18:14:47	mpickering	This is the same reason we rewrite -i paths
2020-04-13 18:16:11	fendor	yeah, probably
2020-04-13 18:16:24	fendor	just checking it to confirm it
2020-04-13 18:16:38	jneira	hie-bios check works inside the ghcide subdir, ie.e D:\dev\haskell\hls\ghcide
2020-04-13 18:16:52	jneira	hie-bios debug inside ghcide:
2020-04-13 18:16:58	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/ed09fc3d22f3627b246e6fa1ad73cf1a/pasted.txt
2020-04-13 18:17:21	jneira	but it is using the cradle in the parent dir, as expected
2020-04-13 18:20:23	fendor	jneira, yeah, but the `-Iinclude` flag is not normalised
2020-04-13 18:20:28	fendor	it should be
2020-04-13 18:20:46	fendor	thats why it works in the ghcide sub-dir
2020-04-13 18:20:56	fendor	but not in hls itself
2020-04-13 18:23:47	fendor	so, yeah, it is a hie-bios bug
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2020-04-13 18:49:29	jneira	ok, i'll open a issue
2020-04-13 18:56:17	fendor	ghc crashes on window with ghc 8.6.5 :(
2020-04-13 19:12:55	jneira	ghc crashes? in what project, hls?
2020-04-13 19:18:07	fendor	hie-bios
2020-04-13 19:18:44	fendor	jneira, https://pastebin.com/PJdPjt37 :'(
2020-04-13 19:19:35	fendor	mpickering, out of curiosity, why do we strip RTS flags out of `cabal repl` command?
2020-04-13 19:20:07	mpickering	Because they are for the GHC executable
2020-04-13 19:20:52	mpickering	So the parsing functions don't expect then
2020-04-13 19:21:13	mpickering	It would be like passing RTS flags to ghcide
2020-04-13 19:22:49	fendor	mpickering, but their use-case is to restrict memory usage of GHC, are we just not supporting that?
2020-04-13 19:23:21	mpickering	No by the time we get the flags for the file it's too late
2020-04-13 19:23:37	mpickering	You have to pass the same options to ghcide if you want to do that
2020-04-13 19:24:00	fendor	ah, so that is actually the way to do it. Ok, thanks! 
2020-04-13 19:43:14	jneira	fendor: is it with ghc-8.6.5? i've seen those segfaults with ghc-8.8.3, bad news if it reproduces with 8.6.5 
2020-04-13 19:44:04	fendor	it is with 8.6.5
2020-04-13 19:47:08	fendor	maybe something funny with ghcide
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2020-04-13 21:26:28	jose_zap	is hls able to offer completions?
2020-04-13 21:26:44	jose_zap	I installed it today for 8.8.3 but completions were not triggering from vim
2020-04-13 21:27:56	infinisil	jose_zap: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine#features
2020-04-13 21:28:10	jose_zap	I was meaning the new haskell-language-server
2020-04-13 21:40:15	fenedor	jose_zap, yes, it should have completions
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2020-04-13 21:40:40	jose_zap	do I need to do anything to enable them?
2020-04-13 21:40:58	jose_zap	going back to hie, completions work fine for this project
2020-04-13 21:41:20	fendor	jose_zap, I dont think so. Maybe the plugin is disabled
2020-04-13 21:42:29	fendor	jose_zap, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/blob/master/exe/Main.hs#L169 should have completion
2020-04-13 21:42:32	fendor	*completions
2020-04-13 21:44:50	jose_zap	odd
2020-04-13 21:45:52	fendor	however, I am currently using ghcide with multi-component support, so maybe somethings broken
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2020-04-14 00:40:53	jose_zap	I'm getting this error when attempting autocompletion from nvim https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/2a1a3d3dfe5aa0f05370cc254c3b3a581801594d/haskell-lsp-types/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Types/Message.hs#L347
2020-04-14 00:41:03	jose_zap	when using haskell-language-server
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2020-04-14 01:11:00	jose_zap	yeah, seems to be a problem with hls, it is the same in vscode
2020-04-14 01:11:21	jose_zap	I'll fall back to hie until I can research a bit better
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2020-04-14 03:16:32	lukelau	wz1000: hey sorry for the super late reply, did you ping me?
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2020-04-15 14:24:55	jneira	hi fendor! i hope my last comment about the hie-bios behaviour within hls would be clearer
2020-04-15 14:25:58	fendor	jneira, yes, that helps, thank you!
2020-04-15 14:26:26	fendor	I thought you modified hls to use latest hie-bios dont-mange-ghc-options branch
2020-04-15 14:29:39	fendor	my first build of hls :3
2020-04-15 14:30:40	fendor	jneira, do you think we can improve the test-framework a bit? I would like to make the tests independent of stack where possible (e.g. impossible for cabal-helper stuff)
2020-04-15 14:33:53	fendor	that ought to speed up the local test-cycle as well
2020-04-15 14:36:46	jneira	mmm, yeah not sure if we will lose validate actual stack expected behaviour (when changing versions or bugs)
2020-04-15 14:37:05	jneira	it is not the main goal or *our* test suite otoh :-)
2020-04-15 14:37:30	fendor	exactly. It should be the goal of `hie-bios` and cabal-helper
2020-04-15 14:37:34	fendor	both have extensive tet-suites
2020-04-15 14:37:36	fendor	*test
2020-04-15 14:38:20	jneira	agree, wrapper-test relies on cabal-helper too, right?
2020-04-15 14:38:49	jneira	i mean the wraper does
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2020-04-15 14:39:39	fendor	no the wrapper tests get a hie.yaml as well, iirc
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2020-04-15 14:39:54	fendor	only the cabal-helper-helper tests use cabal-helper, I think
2020-04-15 14:40:19	fendor	and I still think the single Cradle.hs should be extracted with it's own test-suite
2020-04-15 14:40:35	fendor	but the reaction of other contributors made me hesitate
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2020-04-15 14:51:19	fendor	jneira, I think, the flags command is just broken in general
2020-04-15 14:51:41	fendor	since it reads the cradle in the current dir
2020-04-15 14:51:53	fendor	and uses it to load the given filepath
2020-04-15 14:52:58	fendor	that is probably why `hie-bios flags ghcide/src...` fails
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2020-04-15 14:54:51	jneira	mmm
2020-04-15 14:56:05	jneira	so maybe the mpickering option wourl be needed: https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/157#issuecomment-611395486 ?
2020-04-15 14:56:26	jneira	or it can be fixed in the actual dont-mangle-ghc-options
2020-04-15 14:57:38	jneira	fendor: i have to note that i am removing the hie.yaml inside ghcide and only use the main one in the project hls root dir
2020-04-15 14:58:04	fendor	jneira, That is what I have implemented in #166
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2020-04-15 15:00:46	jneira	ok, so if i use directly the hie-bios patched version as a lib in hls it could work?
2020-04-15 15:00:57	jneira	(instead use the hie-bios executable)
2020-04-15 15:01:11	fendor	but the issue must be something else, since `hie-bios flags src/Ide/...` fails, too
2020-04-15 15:01:24	fendor	jneira, there is probably a bug somewhere
2020-04-15 15:02:51	fendor	ah, I wasnt using hie.yaml :) that explains a lot
2020-04-15 15:05:39	mpickering	fendor: jneira are either of you using vscode day to day?
2020-04-15 15:05:46	fendor	mpickering, yes I am
2020-04-15 15:06:12	mpickering	I am reading the release notes occasionally and there seem to be a lot of features that could be taken advantage of that we don't
2020-04-15 15:06:21	mpickering	Nothing in particular but they are interesting to read if you don't already
2020-04-15 15:06:22	jneira	me too
2020-04-15 15:07:17	mpickering	I also need more reviews on my multi-component PR
2020-04-15 15:07:19	mpickering	otherwise it is stuck
2020-04-15 15:07:36	mpickering	at least fendor should have an opinion :) 
2020-04-15 15:07:58	jneira	yeah, isome of them are being tracked in the haskell-lsp project, i labeled them as https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22type%3A+spec+compliance%22
2020-04-15 15:08:05	fendor	mpickering, currently I am mainly struggling with GHC on windows, I segfaults :(
2020-04-15 15:08:07	jneira	(spec-compliance)
2020-04-15 15:08:09	fendor	*it
2020-04-15 15:08:35	mpickering	hmm that sounds bad
2020-04-15 15:08:40	mpickering	why are you using windows?
2020-04-15 15:09:22	fendor	because I just recently purchased a new gfx and havent installed nixos yet :) my old gfx was just insanely incompatible with any linux
2020-04-15 15:09:39	jneira	i am testing it indirectly with hls and find some problem related with hie-bios, but it seems to work well 
2020-04-15 15:10:32	mpickering	when I graduate I am going to finally buy myself a good PC for home.. and am wondering whether I can be bothered to dual boot windows/nixos for the 1 time every six months when I want to play something on steam
2020-04-15 15:10:58	fendor	jneira, turns out, I forgot to commit a major part of the hie-bios PR  
2020-04-15 15:11:01	mpickering	and also whether I want to get a desktop and a server, I am so used to working via ssh now..
2020-04-15 15:11:51	fendor	playing on nixos is actually possible. GOG works, too. On my notebook, I played some stellaris and it worked very well
2020-04-15 15:12:55	mpickering	I only play the same games as I did 10 years ago.. league of legends and CS:GO. Can't learn anything new anymore.. programming is more fun usually
2020-04-15 15:14:01	mpickering	fendor: What is the main broken part of hie-bios at the moment? 
2020-04-15 15:14:08	fendor	both of these work on linux quite well in my experience. 
2020-04-15 15:14:12	mpickering	jneira: Thanks for the issues
2020-04-15 15:14:46	mpickering	ok great then no need for windows 
2020-04-15 15:14:59	fendor	mpickering, maybe the exe is weird, but that is not important, imo. There are some decisions to make
2020-04-15 15:15:19	fendor	regarding API changes for exposing libdir, cradle arguments, environment variables...
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2020-04-15 15:15:50	mpickering	Tbh I would not fix any of them now
2020-04-15 15:15:51	fendor	I currently think the motivation for environment variables is not something that we need to tackle in hie-bios
2020-04-15 15:16:11	fendor	well. Then #166 needs to be fixed since this is a real bug
2020-04-15 15:16:23	mpickering	Is that the one about cabal paths being wrong?
2020-04-15 15:16:28	fendor	jneira, would you mind trying the pr again?
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2020-04-15 15:17:02	fendor	no, that is that cmd args starting with `-i` will be replaced with `-i<cwd>`
2020-04-15 15:17:24	mpickering	that is what I mean
2020-04-15 15:18:06	fendor	I thought you meant https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/issues/164 
2020-04-15 15:18:13	mpickering	I am a bit worried you will burn out fixing all these annoying issues with hie-bios rather than working on more interesting things
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2020-04-15 15:18:59	fendor	mpickering, I am not actually hacking on hie-bios that much
2020-04-15 15:19:05	mpickering	ok :) 
2020-04-15 15:19:17	fendor	cabal is way more annoying :D 
2020-04-15 15:19:27	mpickering	yeah I can't deal with cabal
2020-04-15 15:19:39	mpickering	At least you have an ide which works with cabal now 
2020-04-15 15:20:28	fendor	yeah, that helps a lot
2020-04-15 15:20:49	mpickering	So libdir, there is an argument for this but I still want more pushback from users before committing to an API
2020-04-15 15:21:07	mpickering	env vars, just no I think
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2020-04-15 15:21:43	mpickering	arguments, maybe but seems to add extra complexity for no reason
2020-04-15 15:21:52	mpickering	you can use `repl-options` in cabal to pass extra args
2020-04-15 15:23:16	fendor	use-case for the arguments is currently for specifying the `stack.yaml` to use for stack
2020-04-15 15:23:35	mpickering	I am also interested to see how Andreas gets on with adding support in bazel, if he wants a different API then I trust his opinion on that
2020-04-15 15:24:05	mpickering	ok so it's arguments to the tool rather than arguments for ghc
2020-04-15 15:24:30	mpickering	yes that makes sense then
2020-04-15 15:26:55	mpickering	I think we need to think about the interface for proper multicomponent support
2020-04-15 15:27:49	mpickering	I think that there should be an interface which returns a list of options for each component 
2020-04-15 15:28:19	mpickering	and ideally the build tool wouldn't build any of them when it reported them.
2020-04-15 15:28:46	mpickering	This is similar to what is needed for your summer project fendor anyway
2020-04-15 15:51:13	jneira	mpickering: i've reach your comment in exe/Main.hs (multi-rebase): "-- TODO Handle the case where there is no hie.yaml"
2020-04-15 15:51:30	jneira	reached
2020-04-15 15:52:22	jneira	i was wondering if we could use the cabal-cradle for that
2020-04-15 15:55:54	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/641ba76dcd33e78897c2e63414e0cbd2/pasted.txt
2020-04-15 15:56:01	jneira	fendor i did a pull with small changes ^^
2020-04-15 16:09:34	mpickering	jneira: What do you mean by the cabal-cradle?
2020-04-15 16:42:59	jneira	sorry, the cabal-helper cradle from hie, copied to hls, we could use it when there is no explicit configuration
2020-04-15 16:44:46	jneira	not sure it would feasible (i should try it out) or you had thought in another solution for the no `hie.yaml`case
2020-04-15 16:44:53	jneira	mpickering ^^ 
2020-04-15 16:45:42	mpickering	My thought was to use direct cradle or none if doesn't match 
2020-04-15 16:52:48	jneira	mmm so use the cabal-helper cradle could make sense without hie.yaml, even to only get the component for the module being loaded wihtout explicit yaml file 
2020-04-15 16:53:33	jneira	(all of this in hls, not ghcide)
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2020-04-15 16:57:22	jneira	fendor: the last hie-bios pr commit make it works :-D
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2020-04-16 00:28:30	fendor	mpickering, Currently, I get repeatedly access violations with multi-rebase branch: https://gist.github.com/fendor/229c9f899910da0e16cd23c4d4468096 
2020-04-16 00:28:34	fendor	I have no idea what might cause this
2020-04-16 00:28:49	mpickering	Looks bad..
2020-04-16 00:28:58	mpickering	Looks.. windows
2020-04-16 00:29:06	fendor	it is windows, ghc 8.6.5
2020-04-16 00:29:17	fendor	but it doesnt segfault with plain cabal-install 
2020-04-16 00:30:24	fendor	Can not reproduce this on nixos. However, I just dont know if this only happens with your branch, or if I corrupted something
2020-04-16 00:31:18	fendor	Going to retry with ghcide master
2020-04-16 00:35:23	fendor	I can reproduce with ghcide master, so it is not related to your branch :)
2020-04-16 00:36:25	fendor	I am just going to report this to ghcide
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2020-04-17 01:19:27	alang	I'm trying to install HIE but it complains about no ghc installations found in my $PATH. I do have a ghc in my $PATH though...
2020-04-17 01:29:29	fendor	alang, that is new to me. Shake related or cabal-install?
2020-04-17 01:29:50	alang	i'm using cabal install
2020-04-17 01:29:58	alang	ghc-8.8.1.0 on linux
2020-04-17 01:32:18	alang	https://pastebin.com/Deesiez2
2020-04-17 01:32:19	fendor	so, you are not using cabal-hie-install?
2020-04-17 01:32:33	fendor	ok
2020-04-17 01:32:41	alang	I am
2020-04-17 01:32:44	fendor	I think I remember something about tht
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2020-04-17 01:34:04	fendor	does the target ghcs doesnt output anything either?
2020-04-17 01:34:23	fendor	and ghc just works? do you have a `ghc-8.8.1` on the path?
2020-04-17 01:34:51	alang	ghcs outputs the stuff from the pastebin
2020-04-17 01:35:02	fendor	`ghc-8.8.1.0` weird
2020-04-17 01:35:05	fendor	is it patched?
2020-04-17 01:35:09	fendor	your ghc version?
2020-04-17 01:36:12	fendor	-w ghc-8.8.1.0
2020-04-17 01:36:24	alang	I don't have `ghc-8.8.1.0` in the path, but I do have `ghc`
2020-04-17 01:36:35	alang	alang@mogwai:~/src/haskell-ide-engine$ which ghc
2020-04-17 01:36:35	alang	/usr/local/ghc/ghc-8.8.1.0/bin/ghc
2020-04-17 01:36:35	alang	alang@mogwai:~/src/haskell-ide-engine$ ghc --version
2020-04-17 01:36:35	alang	The Glorious Glasgow Haskell Compilation System, version 8.8.1.0
2020-04-17 01:36:57	fendor	pretty sure there is a filter for ghc version
2020-04-17 01:37:48	alang	I'm not sure if it's patched, but it at least includes some extra packages
2020-04-17 01:38:51	alang	meaning that the binary should be named `ghc-8.8.1.0`?
2020-04-17 01:40:43	fendor	no, I think we search possible ghc versions based on the ones we support
2020-04-17 01:40:57	fendor	version `8.8.1.0` is probably not added to the list of supported ghc versions
2020-04-17 01:41:10	fendor	and the message is wrong, it finds ghc versions, but no supported one
2020-04-17 01:41:20	fendor	would be my assumption now
2020-04-17 01:41:23	fendor	trying to prove it
2020-04-17 01:42:13	fendor	yeah, we are looking for all ghcs that are supported https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/install/src/Env.hs#L44
2020-04-17 01:42:25	fendor	and supported are all ghc versions that have stack.yaml
2020-04-17 01:42:30	fendor	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/master/install/src/Env.hs#L108
2020-04-17 01:44:02	alang	ah =(
2020-04-17 01:44:15	fendor	so, empty `stack-8.8.1.0.yaml` should do the trick?
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2020-04-17 01:46:13	alang	yea looks like it
2020-04-17 01:48:25	alang	fendor: thanks for the help
2020-04-17 01:50:02	fendor	alang, happy to help :)
2020-04-17 01:50:16	fendor	btw, do you have any roadmap for hls? Anything I could start working on?
2020-04-17 01:52:29	fendor	I looked today at the plugins, do I see it correctly that there is currently no way to access the shake graph within a plugin?
2020-04-17 02:09:11	alanz_	fendor, ping
2020-04-17 02:10:16	fendor	alanz_, hi
2020-04-17 02:10:47	fendor	wait, alanz_, is alang a different person?
2020-04-17 02:11:33	alang	yea
2020-04-17 02:11:34	alanz_	yes :)
2020-04-17 02:11:45	fendor	h, haha
2020-04-17 02:12:06	alanz_	which is why I did not respond earlier, did not see you were (obv) trying to talk to me
2020-04-17 02:12:09	fendor	I was wondering for a moment but then just assumed a typo, lol
2020-04-17 02:12:20	alanz_	You *can* access the shake graph in a plugin
2020-04-17 02:12:39	alanz_	Let me dig out an example for you.
2020-04-17 02:13:04	alanz_	I have been head down on the in-tree ghc api annotations, so been neglecting the hls stuff.
2020-04-17 02:13:17	fendor	thank you!
2020-04-17 02:13:26	fendor	for brittany or unrelated to hls?
2020-04-17 02:14:04	alanz_	well, the next evolution of ghc-exactprint. Move it upstream into the GHC AST. Which has been the whole point of the TTG stuff, for me
2020-04-17 02:15:03	alanz_	Which then makes working on the parsed AST for program manipulation much easier, and opens to door for incremental parsing in GHC, using the tree-sitter approach
2020-04-17 02:16:10	fendor	that is awesome! 
2020-04-17 02:19:47	alanz_	fendor, https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/blob/master/src/Ide/Plugin/Example.hs#L128 is getting the typechecked module from the shake graph
2020-04-17 02:20:07	alanz_	grep for runAction in the ghcide source
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2020-04-17 02:20:55	fendor	ok, so that is why we pass the ideState everywhere
2020-04-17 02:21:21	fendor	ok, makes sense
2020-04-17 02:21:35	alanz_	and https://github.com/alanz/ghcide/blob/74311d255cc4a804de6ec69e6db4c13851c108f1/src/Development/IDE/LSP/Outline.hs#L43 is getting the parsed source
2020-04-17 02:21:40	alanz_	yes
2020-04-17 02:22:02	alanz_	we are exposing the ghcide plugins in hls too
2020-04-17 02:22:20	alanz_	in fact, the best examples are probably the formatter plugins, hold on
2020-04-17 02:23:00	alanz_	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/blob/master/src/Ide/Plugin/Ormolu.hs#L79
2020-04-17 02:23:38	alanz_	is requesting the parsed module. if it is already in the graph, it is provided directly, else the "pull" process causes it to be provided
2020-04-17 02:24:02	alanz_	so it will never be parsed more than once, no matter how many plugins ask for it
2020-04-17 02:24:42	alanz_	The trickier stuff is running hlint, where there are two different ways of doing it.
2020-04-17 02:25:11	alanz_	1. treat it the way we do in hie, give it the source, let it do its own thing as a black box
2020-04-17 02:26:17	alanz_	2. Give it the GHC parsed source. But that gets complicated, because of the ghc-lib-parser. If the GHC versions tie up, you can use it directly, otherwise it does funky source imports and ends up with its own private versions of things like SrcSpan
2020-04-17 02:26:57	alanz_	See https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/issues/32#issue-558674775
2020-04-17 02:27:59	alanz_	I have a feeling that doing the simplest thing, just to get the feature carried over makes sense. Otherwise we have to mess with sub-components, cabal conditionals, blah blah
2020-04-17 02:28:00	fendor	oh that seems a bit annoying
2020-04-17 02:29:00	alanz_	depends on your tolerance. messy either way.
2020-04-17 02:29:26	 *	jneira trying to learn something :-)
2020-04-17 02:29:31	alanz_	But might be worth waiting for the (imminent) hlint release, which has a new API, and discards HSE completely
2020-04-17 02:30:16	alanz_	doing it the "proper" way will definitely teach you a whole lot of stuff, about how the ghc-lib-parser works. Which is worth knowing, if you can spend the time on it
2020-04-17 02:31:29	fendor	yeah, waiting seems like the easier approach. 
2020-04-17 02:31:36	fendor	Other low-hanging fruit?
2020-04-17 02:32:20	jneira	i think you mentioned the hoogle plugin alanz?
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2020-04-17 02:35:13	alanz_	I think the hover stuff can be improved quite a bit. the current formatting is horrible, and it does not include the monomorphic version
2020-04-17 02:35:38	alanz_	and I guess that stuff comes from hoogle? either that or haddock
2020-04-17 02:36:12	alanz_	And brittany is not brought over yet, it is a clone of the other formatters, or similar to it.
2020-04-17 02:36:47	alanz_	Only issue is we need to put a flag in the cabal for it, so people who are sensitive to the AGPL can compile without it.
2020-04-17 02:37:10	alanz_	much like libgmp in GHC
2020-04-17 02:37:24	fendor	that sounds easy enough and will give me a feel for the plugins
2020-04-17 02:37:32	fendor	and maybe some more insight of the ghcide internals
2020-04-17 02:38:00	alanz_	sounds good
2020-04-17 02:38:28	alanz_	Also making sure the hie-bios, cradle, implicit etc stuff comes over. 
2020-04-17 02:38:59	alanz_	But I reckon getting your head around the plugins makes more sense as a start, to get a feel for the dynamics of the inside of the thing
2020-04-17 02:39:22	fendor	yeah, I am still thinking about that, do you think it makes sense to extract that into a common library? I feel like this abstraction should be extracted from hie
2020-04-17 02:39:39	fendor	only the cabal-helper cradle stuff, though
2020-04-17 02:39:57	fendor	other helpers are still needed, such as for obtaining the libdir and so on
2020-04-17 02:40:55	alanz_	fendor, it is up to you, but it does feel like breaking it out could make sense.
2020-04-17 02:41:16	alanz_	I do not know enough about the nitty-gritty of it to be able to make a proper comment
2020-04-17 02:41:26	fendor	ok :) 
2020-04-17 02:41:36	fendor	so, then I have a few starting points
2020-04-17 02:41:38	alanz_	and it is likely that hie will linger on for a while longer, so making that process easier might mak sense
2020-04-17 02:42:25	alanz_	shout if you get stuck. I normally get alerts re IRC, and will respond when I can, depending on what other stuff I am doing. Death by meetings :(
2020-04-17 02:42:44	alanz_	well, not really, but coordination is a thing that happens
2020-04-17 02:43:58	fendor	yeah and coordination is especially important when you dont see each other at work
2020-04-17 02:44:12	fendor	Ok thank you for all these pointers! Now I have lots of ideas to implement :)
2020-04-17 02:44:19	alanz_	yes. The way we have been doing this OSS stuff forever :)
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2020-04-17 16:24:37	mpickering	fendor: haha https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/50604
2020-04-17 16:24:58	fendor	mpickering, :) 
2020-04-17 16:25:17	mpickering	Just imagining you creating that symlink with a casual sudo
2020-04-17 16:25:25	mpickering	"what could possibly go wrong"
2020-04-17 16:25:30	fendor	yeah, that was for fixing something interesting
2020-04-17 16:26:03	fendor	maven downloads in in-memory mongodb
2020-04-17 16:26:28	fendor	and that was downloaded into /tmp/ and had hard-coded /lib64/ld... 
2020-04-17 16:27:26	fendor	debugging that took a huge amount of time and I needed that setup for a university course
2020-04-17 16:28:20	mpickering	hmm sounds like the right way to fix it would be to replace that mongodb with a symlink to one nix managed?
2020-04-17 16:28:38	mpickering	ghcide is working quite well on GHC apart from being slow and leaking memory really badly
2020-04-17 16:29:33	fendor	at the time, I was a very fresh nix-user :) I didnt know better and a friend who helped me debugging symlinked it 
2020-04-17 16:30:33	fendor	on hls and ghcide, it doesnt leak too bad
2020-04-17 16:31:19	mpickering	At the start I am using 1-2gb of memory and eventually it goes up to use all 16gb and I have to kill it
2020-04-17 16:34:07	fendor	yeah, but it takes some time at least. But I can observe these memory spikes as well, which makes sense, since it never collects old stuff, right? Does your reflex based approach suffer from the same problem?
2020-04-17 16:34:37	mpickering	Does not collect anything?
2020-04-17 16:34:49	mpickering	I thought it would at least collect old results for an action
2020-04-17 16:34:53	mpickering	surely it does
2020-04-17 16:35:10	mpickering	In the reflex version you can program what you like..
2020-04-17 16:35:21	mpickering	you have a lot more control 
2020-04-17 16:36:40	fendor	iirc, someone said that it doesnt collect old results
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2020-04-17 18:05:03	wz1000	mpickering: everyone is ignoring my shake PR :(
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2020-04-17 18:44:07	reactormonk	I'm using HIE stack edition here - multi-cradle. The setup looks decent, worked until lately, but now I get "can't find a package database at" $path, where $path really doesn't exist - it tries to pick it off of a path hash which doesn't exist.
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2020-04-17 18:50:41	fendor	reactormonk, What OS are you using?
2020-04-17 18:52:23	reactormonk	fendor, arch, with stack installed via bin
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2020-04-17 18:52:31	reactormonk	HIE is version 1.3, freshly minted
2020-04-17 18:52:41	reactormonk	ghc is 8.8.3
2020-04-17 18:52:57	fendor	weird and you are using `hie.yaml`?
2020-04-17 18:53:11	reactormonk	Yeah
2020-04-17 18:56:51	fendor	hm, sorry, that is a new one
2020-04-17 18:56:58	fendor	but stack build and stack repl succeeds?
2020-04-17 18:57:34	reactormonk	Yup
2020-04-17 18:58:42	reactormonk	As mentioned, it picks the wrong database path, the hash doesn't exist otherwise :-(
2020-04-17 18:58:53	reactormonk	I don't really know what else to rm -rf, I did .stack-work everywhere
2020-04-17 19:00:46	fendor	I can imagine that it works if you nuke ~/.stack
2020-04-17 19:01:02	reactormonk	Aye, I'll go wait a bit :D
2020-04-17 19:01:12	fendor	what exact hash?
2020-04-17 19:01:23	fendor	I cant remember that package-db has a hash in it
2020-04-17 19:01:42	reactormonk	.stack-work/install/x86_64-linux-tinfo6/20b66d6e2e7998dd28f57d0b761ad44a8626646e5bd3ee65db8f731916a60cc9/8.8.3/pkgdb
2020-04-17 19:02:03	reactormonk	... I need faster harddrives for Haskell, it's still deleting
2020-04-17 19:02:07	fendor	what about the stack.yaml.lock file? 
2020-04-17 19:02:21	fendor	does it maybe contain something?
2020-04-17 19:02:39	fendor	no, it doesnt
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2020-04-17 19:24:06	lukelau	fendor jneira jose_zap alanz_: hi, whats the current status of binaries/builds on hls?
2020-04-17 19:24:25	fendor	lukelau, for hls? Not really
2020-04-17 19:25:07	lukelau	i haven’t been keeping tabs recently, but been thinking about how the vscode-hie-plugin needs to moved over to hls at some point
2020-04-17 19:25:30	fendor	currently, hls has the same flags, so can just use hls with the current vscode-hie-plugin
2020-04-17 19:25:41	lukelau	yeah. and presumably ghcide too
2020-04-17 19:25:43	fendor	I think the last bit in the way of prebuilt-binaries is brittany
2020-04-17 19:25:55	lukelau	but i was mainly thinking if static binaries are possible with hls now that we’re not blocked on cabal-helper-wrapper, then we could automate the download/installation of binaries
2020-04-17 19:26:02	fendor	which is currently not in hls
2020-04-17 19:26:17	fendor	cabal-helper-wrapper wasnt a blocker since hie 1.0
2020-04-17 19:26:32	fendor	jneira, already set up a binary distribution via azure
2020-04-17 19:26:39	lukelau	awesome
2020-04-17 19:26:48	lukelau	whats blocking with brittany?
2020-04-17 19:26:58	fendor	but our usage of brittany blocks it, because it uses ghc-paths, which uses the installation path of libdir
2020-04-17 19:26:58	lukelau	does it use data-files?
2020-04-17 19:27:01	lukelau	oh
2020-04-17 19:27:26	lukelau	was the hlint situation sorted out as well? i’m very out of touch with the current situation
2020-04-17 19:27:37	fendor	see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1653
2020-04-17 19:27:44	fendor	yes, hlint is sorted out
2020-04-17 19:27:51	fendor	it moved to file-embed
2020-04-17 19:27:57	lukelau	great
2020-04-17 19:28:49	fendor	and hls apparently uses the dynamic libdir discovery mechanis
2020-04-17 19:28:54	fendor	*mechanism
2020-04-17 19:29:10	fendor	so, I think hls should be relocatable, until the brittany plugin is moved over
2020-04-17 19:29:13	lukelau	is this inside ghcide?
2020-04-17 19:30:05	fendor	is what inside ghcide?
2020-04-17 19:30:12	lukelau	the dynamic libdir discovery mechanism
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2020-04-17 19:31:20	fendor	no that is in Cradle.hs
2020-04-17 19:31:36	fendor	which is basically `ghc --print-libdir` or `stack exec -- ghc --print-libdir` based on the cradle type
2020-04-17 19:31:46	lukelau	cool
2020-04-17 19:32:08	reactormonk	fendor, nope, didn't help
2020-04-17 19:32:26	fendor	reactormonk, sorry for wasting your time then ._.
2020-04-17 19:32:31	lukelau	eventually i think we should be able to get to the point anyway where a user can just install the vscode extension from the marketplace, have it download hls-wrapper (which as far as I understand, needs to be made) and probe for the ghc version, and then have it download the latest release of hls for the ghc version, built via jneira’s azure CI
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2020-04-17 19:33:12	lukelau	thats my vision anyway
2020-04-17 19:33:14	fendor	yeah, similiarly how rust does it. But currently, we are back to square one
2020-04-17 19:33:28	lukelau	square one being the static binaries right?
2020-04-17 19:33:40	fendor	rather stabilising hls :)
2020-04-17 19:33:57	fendor	I am moving brittany plugin as we speak
2020-04-17 19:34:01	fendor	first draft is done
2020-04-17 19:34:05	lukelau	woo
2020-04-17 19:34:42	lukelau	this is a fresh start for the whole installation process anyway
2020-04-17 19:35:04	lukelau	installation was probably one of the biggest drawbacks to hie
2020-04-17 19:35:44	fendor	installation time, yeah... But I doubt that we improve on that
2020-04-17 19:36:19	lukelau	i could imagine we could have a “nightly/experimental/hls” toggle in the vscode plugin, so we could test drive the whole thing
2020-04-17 19:36:41	lukelau	yeah i dont think compile times will ever be fixed, but thats what the static binaries would be for
2020-04-17 19:40:51	reactormonk	fendor, if I reclone it from a directory, it works just fine, so something's funky
2020-04-17 19:42:37	fendor	reactormonk, :/ yeah, confusing
2020-04-17 19:43:08	mpickering	having static binaries would be nice
2020-04-17 19:43:38	mpickering	lukelau: The ghcide vscode plugin is not very good, doesn't support workspaces for example
2020-04-17 19:49:44	lukelau	mpickering: is this plugin separate from the hie one?
2020-04-17 19:50:16	lukelau	haskell-lsp itself doesn’t support workspaces properly either, i think thats one of my milestones in the gsoc proposal
2020-04-17 19:51:26	reactormonk	fendor, solution: restart code, because I was running it via stack exec code .
2020-04-17 19:59:41	mpickering	lukelau: I think the plugin does? at least it works at all if you use vscode workspaces
2020-04-17 20:01:01	lukelau	mpickering: does it not just spin up multiple instances of the language server, one for each workspace?
2020-04-17 20:01:12	mpickering	better than not working at all
2020-04-17 20:01:28	mpickering	ghcide doesn't work at all if you use vscode workspaces
2020-04-17 20:03:10	lukelau	thats weird, hopefully its nothing to do with multiple instances and file locking or anything like that
2020-04-17 20:07:17	mpickering	It uses the deprecated interface from before workspaces were a thing
2020-04-17 20:07:21	mpickering	so just not implemented
2020-04-17 20:25:26	jneira	i am trying to add cabal-helper cradle to hls with one line change, if it works i am gonna shave my beard :-D   
2020-04-17 20:29:02	jneira	it seems to work, i cant believe it
2020-04-17 20:36:42	jneira	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/compare/master...jneira:cabal-helper-cradle?expand=1
2020-04-17 20:37:27	mpickering	jneira: Glad that works :) 
2020-04-17 20:37:40	mpickering	Finally an abstraction barrier which is adhered to! 
2020-04-17 20:38:49	fendor	yeah, the cabal-helper-helper cradle adheres to the abstraction and it is working out quite well so far
2020-04-17 20:40:43	fendor	jneira, so are you already shaving? :D 
2020-04-17 21:02:46	jneira	errr, i am still in shock :-P , i have to test it in deep, perf is not good etcetc 
2020-04-17 21:03:42	jneira	what about use hie.yaml -> cabal-helper cradle -> hie-bios implicit cradle 
2020-04-17 21:04:03	fendor	cabal-helper cradle should always catch what the implicit cradle catches
2020-04-17 21:04:14	fendor	perf wont be good with c-h since it isnt really the design of it
2020-04-17 21:04:27	fendor	we create a new queryEnv for each component
2020-04-17 21:04:38	fendor	which forces re-compilation of each component multiple times
2020-04-17 21:04:48	jneira	mmm but the implicit hie-bios cradle would be faster?
2020-04-17 21:05:19	jneira	but it workss for less cases ???
2020-04-17 21:05:30	fendor	does it work for less cases? 
2020-04-17 21:05:40	jneira	so  hie.yaml -> hie-bios implicit cradle  -> cabal-helper cradle?
2020-04-17 21:05:54	fendor	I meant, they cover the same use-case
2020-04-17 21:06:06	fendor	so cascading them in any way seems counter-intuitive
2020-04-17 21:06:24	jneira	well if it is faster...
2020-04-17 21:06:41	jneira	cause it uses cabal/stack repl right?
2020-04-17 21:06:59	jneira	instead configure, build, etc
2020-04-17 21:07:58	fendor	yeah
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2020-04-17 21:10:07	fendor	I actually am not sure of my claim that it will re-build every component multiple times, maybe it is just as efficient
2020-04-17 21:13:49	lukelau	jneira: nice!
2020-04-17 21:21:14	mpickering	Perhaps it would be interesting to try building hie with https://github.com/nh2/static-haskell-nix as well
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2020-04-17 22:00:20	fenedor	do we get in HIE the declared type from haddock?
2020-04-17 22:00:30	fenedor	in a hover response
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2020-04-17 22:04:00	wz1000	fenedor: I don't think so
2020-04-17 22:04:19	wz1000	we just use the type from the ghc api
2020-04-17 22:04:31	fenedor	wz1000, no, we have both. the monomophized and the declared one
2020-04-17 22:04:38	wz1000	yeah, both are from the api
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2020-04-17 22:04:46	wz1000	I believe
2020-04-17 22:05:03	fendor	when I remove the hoverprovider from haddock then I only see the monomorphed type
2020-04-17 22:05:20	wz1000	yeah, it uses the api to get the type
2020-04-17 22:05:29	wz1000	in the haddock hoverprovided 
2020-04-17 22:06:17	wz1000	it calls getTypeForName
2020-04-17 22:06:40	wz1000	which is in HieExtras
2020-04-17 22:06:45	wz1000	and uses the ghc api
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2020-04-17 22:08:10	fendor	ok thanks!
2020-04-17 22:08:26	wz1000	So I'm thinking of writing this LSP middleware that sits between clients and servers, and maintains a history of document state
2020-04-17 22:08:32	wz1000	LSP documents are versioned
2020-04-17 22:09:30	wz1000	so the server will tell the middleware the version of the document that it is currently working off(i.e. the one that last compiled)
2020-04-17 22:10:01	wz1000	and the middleware will move the incoming requests from the client and the outgoing responses from the server accordingly
2020-04-17 22:10:19	wz1000	i.e. the newPosToOld/oldPosToNew stuff, but transparently
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2020-04-17 22:10:44	mpickering	What do other language servers do?
2020-04-17 22:11:08	mpickering	Do they even use stale information?
2020-04-17 22:11:29	wz1000	I think so
2020-04-17 22:11:41	wz1000	alanz_: what does erlang do?
2020-04-17 22:12:09	mpickering	wz1000: For this shake PR, one thing you could do is add a shake submodule to hls
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2020-04-17 22:21:43	wz1000	mpickering: clangd doesn't report anything on hover if the file doesn't compile
2020-04-17 22:22:26	wz1000	but go to definition still seems to work
2020-04-17 22:24:09	wz1000	it seems to be able to partially resolve some names despite errors
2020-04-17 22:26:08	wz1000	so an unbalanced paren seems to trip it up
2020-04-17 22:26:22	wz1000	its doing some sort of incremental compile with recovery
2020-04-17 22:29:29	wz1000	I'm pretty sure the eclipse ls would also something similar, since they rewrote the compiler to handle this kind of stuff
2020-04-17 22:34:24	alanz_	wz1000, https://github.com/erlang-ls/erlang_ls
2020-04-17 22:34:48	alanz_	erlang is a programming language. Used a lot in banks, and comms industry
2020-04-17 22:34:55	wz1000	I know
2020-04-17 22:34:58	alanz_	and powers the WhatsApp backend
2020-04-17 22:35:14	wz1000	I was asking what erlang_ls does if theres an error in the file
2020-04-17 22:35:22	wz1000	like a parse error or something
2020-04-17 22:35:22	alanz_	ah
2020-04-17 22:35:29	wz1000	does it still work?
2020-04-17 22:35:40	alanz_	I guess I should have read the context, responded to the highlight only
2020-04-17 22:36:04	alanz_	yes, shows the parse error
2020-04-17 22:36:31	alanz_	as does haskell. But, in general erlang does not care about dependencies, so you can parse a file standalone, mostly
2020-04-17 22:36:49	alanz_	well, up to now it does not care, in future it will, when it has a type system :)
2020-04-17 22:37:04	wz1000	alanz_: i mean if you hover or go to definition on a file with a parse error, does that still work?
2020-04-17 22:38:01	alanz_	I would have to test that, to be honest.
2020-04-17 22:38:33	alanz_	It does a sweep over all the erlang files, generates an index entry for it, and stores it in a db.
2020-04-17 22:39:01	alanz_	And I *think* it does a fairly lenient parse, so indexes what it can, even if it is broken.
2020-04-17 22:39:06	alanz_	But I would have to test that
2020-04-17 22:39:30	wz1000	hmm
2020-04-17 22:42:36	alanz_	wz1000, just tested it. Open one file, go to a definition in another, put a bug in that file, save it, get a squiggle, go back to the original, it still goes to the definition
2020-04-17 22:43:17	alanz_	open another file that also uses that definition, also goes to the right place
2020-04-17 22:43:44	wz1000	and if when you put the bug, that also moves the definition a line down, does that still take you to the right place?
2020-04-17 22:43:55	alanz_	shut down, restart, same effect. Persistent index ftw
2020-04-17 22:45:21	alanz_	except I think I may have screwed up the test. I put a bug in before the definition, but it has a spec pragma (cheap type annotation) which has the squiggle. The function itself is ok. Time to redo the test
2020-04-17 22:46:05	alanz_	nope, if I break the target, it fails.
2020-04-17 22:46:41	alanz_	but it still goes to other well-formed definitions in the file
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2020-04-17 22:47:02	alanz_	erlang is a simple language, functions are pretty much standalone, and small, so can be parsed in isolation
2020-04-17 22:47:21	wz1000	ok. what about functions that depend on the function you broke?
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2020-04-17 22:47:43	wz1000	I realized semicolons are also nice for this kind of stuff
2020-04-17 22:47:52	wz1000	provide a reliable way for you to recover parser state
2020-04-17 22:48:20	alanz_	wz1000, that does not happen in erlang. It is fully dynamic, does not care if the function you call actually exists
2020-04-17 22:48:35	alanz_	you can run tools to check that, but it does not break the compile
2020-04-17 22:49:09	wz1000	hmph
2020-04-17 22:49:32	alanz_	And you can do things like this: https://github.com/erlang-ls/erlang_ls/pull/670#issue-404412833
2020-04-17 22:49:56	alanz_	run a language server, which connects to the target system environment, and interacts with it
2020-04-17 22:50:17	alanz_	so you can have different versions of things, in the target vs the language server
2020-04-17 22:52:29	wz1000	just need to bake the LS into ghc and we can do the same thing :)
2020-04-17 22:54:53	wz1000	But we aren't that far off in haskell land though
2020-04-17 22:55:08	wz1000	we already have -fdefer-type-errors and -fdefer-out-of-scope-variables
2020-04-17 22:55:34	wz1000	"just" need to teach the parser to recover its state
2020-04-17 22:56:24	alanz_	wz1000, that is actually one of my longer-term goals, which has been on ice for a while. But now moving forward again
2020-04-17 22:56:53	alanz_	step 1, in-tree parser annotations, allowing upstreamed ghc-exactprint
2020-04-17 22:57:28	alanz_	step 2, make all locations relative, using some kind of monoid to reconstruct them if we care. 
2020-04-17 22:57:48	alanz_	step 3, use the update to happy I worked on some time ago to make the parsing incremental
2020-04-17 22:58:10	alanz_	step 4, make use of all the backend goodness now happening in ghcide etc to do demand-based parsing
2020-04-17 22:58:16	wz1000	edward kmett is playing with (2) in his coda stuff I think
2020-04-17 22:59:06	alanz_	yes, that is what I want to pillage for my one
2020-04-17 22:59:47	alanz_	He did explain it to me in person one time, but we only had a short time and he went very fast. And my math background was not strong enough to follow the thread in real time
2020-04-17 23:01:00	alanz_	but that integrates with a language server too, so there are various things to explore
2020-04-17 23:01:25	alanz_	I did make an initial experiment for our VFS and an incremental parser, but did not get far
2020-04-17 23:01:50	alanz_	https://github.com/alanz/incremental-play, I think
2020-04-17 23:01:58	alanz_	nov 2018
2020-04-17 23:03:39	wz1000	gsoc project for step 1 could have been nice
2020-04-17 23:04:14	alanz_	wz1000, true, I guess. Should have asked for help.
2020-04-17 23:04:31	alanz_	I am putting the GHC changes into place in the meantime
2020-04-17 23:05:10	alanz_	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/wikis/implementing-trees-that-grow/in-tree-api-annotations
2020-04-17 23:05:36	alanz_	and I must push my WIP again, I guess. 80% through Parser.y
2020-04-17 23:05:49	wz1000	nice
2020-04-17 23:06:11	alanz_	I guess I should turn this into a big hairy project and invite collaborators
2020-04-17 23:06:31	alanz_	Its all part of the vision of having the IDE experience the primary interface to the compiler
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2020-04-17 23:08:34	mpickering	I updated apply-refact for 8.10 vtw
2020-04-17 23:08:40	mpickering	It's a miracle that package still works
2020-04-17 23:09:06	alanz_	nice.
2020-04-17 23:09:30	alanz_	I was wondering if we should consider using retrie in hlint instead
2020-04-17 23:09:39	alanz_	get you off the hook for maintenance :)
2020-04-17 23:10:36	alanz_	mpickering, that means the new hlint can be released?
2020-04-17 23:11:23	alanz_	and FWIW, the maintenance on ghc-exactprint for GHC releases seems to be less and less of a burden. I think we are starting to have the right tests inside GHC
2020-04-17 23:11:48	mpickering	How do I upload documentation for a package these days?
2020-04-17 23:12:20	alanz_	it should build all by itself? else use the "neil" package, that is simplest
2020-04-17 23:13:48	mpickering	if the answer is not one command then I have already done more maintenance than I want to
2020-04-17 23:13:57	mpickering	perhaps neil will look at Zubin's PR now..
2020-04-17 23:14:05	mpickering	that was my main motivation for doing it lol
2020-04-17 23:14:31	alanz_	ok
2020-04-17 23:14:43	alanz_	it is one command, with neil
2020-04-17 23:19:52	alanz_	which does not currently install. No idea.
2020-04-17 23:20:01	wz1000	I fail to see the connection
2020-04-17 23:20:46	wz1000	or is it a quid pro quo? you unblock him on hlint, and he looks at the PR you're having me peddle?
2020-04-17 23:21:02	alanz_	there is a utility package called "neil", on hackage. Which has a command something like "neil docs" to build and upload the haddock docs for a project to hackage.
2020-04-17 23:21:07	alanz_	o\ah, nvm
2020-04-17 23:21:23	 *	alanz_ sees politics everywhere )
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2020-04-18 00:07:56	mpickering	wz1000: If I am blocking on him hlint then he will feel less bad about blocking me elsewhere..
2020-04-18 00:08:02	mpickering	or at least that's how i would feel
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2020-04-19 01:44:59	fendor	windows is annoying
2020-04-19 01:46:30	fendor	> `Cloning into 'D:\Privat\Documents\programming\haskell\hls\dist-newstyle\src\cabal-hel_-3a0ceecc30fe38cb'`
2020-04-19 01:46:39	fendor	cabal-hel does not sound promising
2020-04-19 01:54:27	fendor	ok, I am very much done with this stack-test-setup, we are switching to direct hie.yaml's
2020-04-19 01:55:01	fendor	I already got a WIP for hie, going to migrate this
2020-04-19 01:55:22	fendor	or at least enable cabal which is way easier
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2020-04-19 13:07:18	jophish	Hi all
2020-04-19 13:07:42	jophish	Has anyone seen this before: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1744?
2020-04-19 13:08:14	jophish	`reify 'id` has a strange type in HIE, basically: `forall a. b -> c`
2020-04-19 13:12:27	wz1000	very interesting
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2020-04-19 13:30:55	wz1000	jophish: Can't reproduce this with HIE or ghcide
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2020-04-19 13:36:37	wz1000	alanz_: have you thought about how relative locations would work with LINE pragmas?
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2020-04-19 14:43:53	jophish	wz1000: I have created a minimal test case here https://github.com/expipiplus1/hie-reload-example/tree/reify
2020-04-19 14:44:03	jophish	I'm testing just by running 'hie src/Foo.hs'
2020-04-19 14:45:08	jophish	with ghc 882
2020-04-19 14:45:55	wz1000	jophish: I used an almost identical test
2020-04-19 14:46:00	wz1000	but with 8.6 though
2020-04-19 14:46:32	wz1000	I'll try 8.8
2020-04-19 14:46:45	jophish	thanks, I'm not sure I can get an 8.6 build easily at the moment
2020-04-19 14:52:18	jophish	ah, I'm building one for 865 now
2020-04-19 14:52:40	jophish	This is all with hie master
2020-04-19 15:00:43	wz1000	aah building ghc and hie simultaneously was not a good idea...
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2020-04-19 15:05:21	wz1000	jophish: don't see it will 8.8.3
2020-04-19 15:05:28	wz1000	*with
2020-04-19 15:05:53	jophish	yikes
2020-04-19 15:06:01	jophish	I'm nearly done compiling 865
2020-04-19 15:07:01	jophish	I still see it on 865
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2020-04-19 15:08:11	jophish	Not sure where to go from here...
2020-04-19 15:09:27	wz1000	I tried your example and I still don't see it
2020-04-19 15:09:41	wz1000	VarI GHC.Base.id (ForallT [KindedTV a_6989586621679026924 StarT] [] (AppT (AppT ArrowT (VarT a_6989586621679026924)) (VarT a_6989586621679026924))) Nothing% 
2020-04-19 15:11:36	jophish	What else influences typechecking aside from GHC version? (and hie version I suppose)
2020-04-19 15:11:38	jophish	It
2020-04-19 15:11:57	jophish	Perhaps I should get hie to dump the compile flags
2020-04-19 15:13:10	wz1000	I can't think of anything
2020-04-19 15:13:16	jophish	It's a little worrying that my var number change per invocation too, but I guess that's harmless nondeterminism on GHC's side
2020-04-19 15:13:24	wz1000	does `id` actually behave weirdly?
2020-04-19 15:13:56	wz1000	yeah, the number change is normal
2020-04-19 15:14:55	jophish	HIE reports the correct error on "id () :: Bool"
2020-04-19 15:15:22	wz1000	actually, I get the same uniques on reruns
2020-04-19 15:16:46	jophish	To remove a moving part I'm using a direct cradle with '-isrc' as the only argument
2020-04-19 15:16:48	jophish	same behaviour
2020-04-19 15:17:16	jophish	but 'ghc -isrc src/Foo.hs' does the right thing
2020-04-19 15:17:56	jophish	with a similar number to yours fwiw
2020-04-19 15:19:13	jophish	and the numbers don't vary
2020-04-19 15:22:33	jophish	Building ghcide now
2020-04-19 15:27:26	jophish	wz1000: you'll never guess what this does LOL: https://github.com/expipiplus1/hie-reload-example/blob/4faaccc374e84b16b967bcc8c412b7dedb867f03/src/Bar.hs#L10-L13
2020-04-19 15:31:10	wz1000	what?
2020-04-19 15:31:35	jophish	prints two *different* incorrect values
2020-04-19 15:32:25	wz1000	what does idInfo1 == idInfo2 do?
2020-04-19 15:34:21	jophish	False
2020-04-19 15:34:41	wz1000	you're running on nixos?
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2020-04-19 15:34:59	jophish	yeah
2020-04-19 15:35:49	jophish	infinisil: Would you be able to spend a second seeing if you can reproduce this: https://github.com/expipiplus1/hie-reload-example/tree/reify ?
2020-04-19 15:35:56	jophish	(I think you're on nixos)
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2020-04-19 15:54:46	jophish	I'm unable to reproduce with ghcide
2020-04-19 15:56:29	wz1000	hie-bios check?
2020-04-19 15:59:05	jophish	That has the correct type for id
2020-04-19 15:59:09	jophish	(both times)
2020-04-19 16:00:47	jophish	for hie-bios 0.4.0
2020-04-19 16:01:46	wz1000	very weird
2020-04-19 16:03:26	wz1000	I would try dumping the module from setTypecheckedModule_load
2020-04-19 16:03:44	jophish	wz1000: aha! a different hie-bios fails!
2020-04-19 16:03:51	jophish	the hie-bios which hie is compiled against
2020-04-19 16:04:19	wz1000	great
2020-04-19 16:05:26	wz1000	which one is that?
2020-04-19 16:05:46	jophish	still says 0.4.0
2020-04-19 16:05:52	wz1000	HIE has                      , hie-bios >= 0.4 && < 0.5.0
2020-04-19 16:06:14	jophish	It's compiled with haskell.nix instead of the nixpkgs infra
2020-04-19 16:07:13	wz1000	no idea about nix stuff. Still it would be interesting to know how exactly something like this happens
2020-04-19 16:07:15	jophish	that's the only difference I can think of
2020-04-19 16:07:21	jophish	yeah, it's super strange
2020-04-19 16:08:42	wz1000	this kind of subtle breakage of ghc could be a big deal
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2020-04-19 17:15:26	jophish	wz1000: Thanks for the help :)
2020-04-19 17:15:34	jophish	I'm looking forward to finding out what this is
2020-04-19 17:16:44	wz1000	jophish: try hie-bios flags and pass them to ghc to see if it still happens
2020-04-19 17:18:50	wz1000	I'm pretty certain the problem is in nix/ghc or the interaction thereof 
2020-04-19 17:19:03	wz1000	No set of flags you pass to ghc should cause this to happen
2020-04-19 17:22:51	jophish	wz1000: The flags are just -isrc :)
2020-04-19 17:23:20	wz1000	yeah, so you can probably remove hie-bios from your repro
2020-04-19 17:24:17	jophish	yeah, I'll see if I can compare just GHC from haskell.nix and nixpkgs infra
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2020-04-19 17:29:34	jophish	wz1000: I get the correct behaviour using just ghc from haskell.nix
2020-04-19 17:29:43	jophish	I'll leave it here I think that see what domen has to say
2020-04-19 17:33:03	wz1000	maybe its something to do with using the GHC API to load files
2020-04-19 17:36:31	jophish	yeah, in combination with something here https://github.com/input-output-hk/haskell.nix/blob/861e0b2cbdff1f1e21ec6a96a2ec56cb9cfd66d0/overlays/bootstrap.nix#L70-L113
2020-04-19 17:37:43	jophish	although nothing there jumps out
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2020-04-19 18:15:35	alanz_	wz1000, re LINE pragmas. If you are doing fully incremental editing, you don't have fixed lines, a change can happen in the middle of a file
2020-04-19 18:28:27	fendor	alanz_, do you know why we dont see CI artefacts?
2020-04-19 18:29:40	alanz_	no, I assume you need to do something on your fork? They normally appear on other PRs
2020-04-19 18:30:00	fendor	I dont think I need to enable CircleCI for my branch for the PR to have CI
2020-04-19 18:30:22	fendor	maybe it got turned off since the organisation did some internal changes?
2020-04-19 18:30:31	alanz_	could be. Let me check
2020-04-19 18:30:59	alanz_	I see we broke the stack builds. I suspect we need to run tests with stack when compiling that way
2020-04-19 18:31:47	fendor	btw, with the brittany PR, we use plain direct cradles instead of stack to run the functional test-suite
2020-04-19 18:31:49	alanz_	ie. builds are still happening
2020-04-19 18:32:13	alanz_	ok
2020-04-19 18:32:42	fendor	next on my to-do list is the general type in hover
2020-04-19 18:32:50	alanz_	nice
2020-04-19 18:33:05	alanz_	good to see you getting your head around the project
2020-04-19 18:34:33	fendor	yeah, it was about time :)
2020-04-19 18:40:22	alanz_	and I am really looking forward to this thing moving forward, so the centre of gravity moves from hie to hls
2020-04-19 18:40:43	alanz_	by end of GSOC we can end-of-life hie, I hope
2020-04-19 18:40:48	alanz_	if not before
2020-04-19 18:40:57	fendor	yeah, I am confident, too
2020-04-19 18:41:02	fendor	in that timeline
2020-04-19 18:41:39	alanz_	good. We need it as an explicit goal, else it will linger on forever
2020-04-19 18:41:54	alanz_	Perhaps we should make a pinned issue, or some such
2020-04-19 18:42:05	alanz_	when the time is right. 
2020-04-19 18:42:20	mpickering	perhaps my multi-component branch will get reviewed by end of summer as well then :) 
2020-04-19 18:42:26	alanz_	Its not solid enough to recommend a general switch, I think. But getting close
2020-04-19 18:42:45	fendor	mpickering, we are using it in hls, so it is fine with us :D 
2020-04-19 18:42:48	alanz_	mpickering, to me it seems the ghcide guys are happy with what they have for internal use, now focusing on other things
2020-04-19 18:43:25	alanz_	And I suspect we are going to run an hls version of it, that gets synced to the mothership from time to time, when they are able to pay attention.
2020-04-19 18:43:38	mpickering	I would prefer if this code was not duplicated
2020-04-19 18:43:41	alanz_	Which was one of my concerns from the beginning.
2020-04-19 18:43:48	alanz_	100% agree
2020-04-19 18:43:50	mpickering	as I would probably prefer to just use ghcide 
2020-04-19 18:44:16	alanz_	that is the problem. We need to get the momentum up on hls, or kill it.
2020-04-19 18:44:46	alanz_	I am in favour of getting the momentum up, as I think the focus is more on general community uefulness.
2020-04-19 18:44:57	mpickering	I just don't need formatters etc
2020-04-19 18:45:10	mpickering	so if it takes an hour to build because it has all these dependencies it makes no sense for me
2020-04-19 18:45:26	alanz_	mpickering, you have wanted a simple tool to be able to see into ghc. 
2020-04-19 18:45:39	mpickering	but also ghcide maintainers seem not to care that much about performance and it is still too bad
2020-04-19 18:45:46	mpickering	ghcide leaks a lot of memory for me working on ghc
2020-04-19 18:45:47	alanz_	so you have that now. But you are not representative of the broader community
2020-04-19 18:46:04	mpickering	yes I know but would prefer it if at the end there was something I could actually use after putting in hundreds of hours
2020-04-19 18:46:12	alanz_	agree
2020-04-19 18:47:35	alanz_	fendor, are you going to do something to make "stack --stack-yaml=stack-8.6.5.yaml test" pass on current master?
2020-04-19 18:47:37	mpickering	perhaps I will look into this leaking issue
2020-04-19 18:47:55	fendor	alanz_, sure, sorry, I kind of forgot about stack
2020-04-19 18:47:56	alanz_	how bad is the leak?
2020-04-19 18:47:56	mpickering	but I have little confidence in using shake at this point, it is pretty hacky in places..
2020-04-19 18:48:06	mpickering	When working on GHC, pretty bad
2020-04-19 18:48:13	mpickering	starts at about 2gb
2020-04-19 18:48:19	mpickering	Goes up to 14gb within an hour
2020-04-19 18:48:24	alanz_	ouch
2020-04-19 18:48:38	fendor	I agree, it leaks quite fast compared to hie
2020-04-19 18:48:44	mpickering	We have a suspicion it is StringBuffers being leaked
2020-04-19 18:49:02	mpickering	but that is hard to verify because they are malloced
2020-04-19 18:49:06	mpickering	so don't show up in a heap profile
2020-04-19 18:49:07	alanz_	well, this is definitely something that needs some attention, it sounds like
2020-04-19 18:49:37	mpickering	hover performance still also bad, like I keep complaining about but fine for "small" projects so no one does anything
2020-04-19 18:49:58	alanz_	fendor, the stack tests have been failing on the ghcide branch, now I think of it.
2020-04-19 18:50:35	alanz_	I have been testing with "stack --stack-yaml=stack-8.6.5.yaml test haskell-language-server:func-test"
2020-04-19 18:50:50	fendor	alanz_, I am mainly doing cabal test at the moment
2020-04-19 18:51:02	fendor	do we have build logs?
2020-04-19 18:51:07	fendor	from CI
2020-04-19 18:51:28	fendor	found them
2020-04-19 18:51:42	alanz_	https://circleci.com/gh/haskell/workflows
2020-04-19 18:52:06	alanz_	the ghcide stuff fails, because the multi branch is too fast :)
2020-04-19 18:52:20	alanz_	so it does not get the progress indicators it is expecting, in places
2020-04-19 18:58:37	alanz_	fendor, current master fails for me with "cabal new-test", using GHC 8.6.5
2020-04-19 18:58:40	alanz_	hls master, that is
2020-04-19 18:58:59	fendor	yeah, I must have messed something up
2020-04-19 18:59:05	alanz_	all 4 brittany tests
2020-04-19 18:59:10	fendor	investigating in this crime where I am the murderer
2020-04-19 18:59:23	alanz_	no problems, we are still getting this stuff into shape
2020-04-19 18:59:36	alanz_	and the project is still in the  "we make no promises" state
2020-04-19 19:00:10	fendor	apparently I dropped the commit that fixed the tests except of sqashing
2020-04-19 19:00:19	alanz_	mpickering, btw, my vision for hls is is becomes an integration point, and via the plugin architecture lets you mix and match the plugins you want
2020-04-19 19:00:29	alanz_	so if you don't want a formatter, you don't include them
2020-04-19 19:00:40	alanz_	fendor, that sounds like an easy fix
2020-04-19 19:01:06	wz1000	mpickering: I think the best way to squeeze performance is with an indexing based system
2020-04-19 19:01:08	wz1000	https://clangd.llvm.org/design/indexing.html
2020-04-19 19:01:21	alanz_	and for plugins, I want to go back to my original vision, that the thing you may want to use exposes the plugin capability, out of the box
2020-04-19 19:01:26	wz1000	so you don't have a continuous ghc session, more like a ghc build server
2020-04-19 19:01:46	wz1000	this is what I was going for with hie files
2020-04-19 19:01:55	alanz_	I definitely think a db makes sense.
2020-04-19 19:02:24	alanz_	for the wider deps, for caching/sharing, and to go for a faster startup
2020-04-19 19:02:56	alanz_	and I am hoping that LSIF will form the nucleus of a collaboration effort evolving toward that
2020-04-19 19:03:23	alanz_	they are already talking about a binary representation, where the current spec is more of a logical view into ti
2020-04-19 19:03:24	alanz_	it
2020-04-19 19:07:36	alanz_	fendor, also check that circleci is enabled on your fork of hls
2020-04-19 19:07:52	fendor	alanz_, I messed something up with the PR, way too many commits 0.o
2020-04-19 19:09:06	alanz_	if I squash I always do it in a linear way, squash adjacent commits into one big one. Without trying to drop, rearrange etc
2020-04-19 19:09:15	alanz_	I'm not clever enough for that stuff
2020-04-19 19:09:22	jophish	I wonder if there are any tools to script a LSP session, so we could record a couple of hours hacking on GHC and play that back to have a test for memory leaks
2020-04-19 19:09:31	fendor	but nobody squashed anything afaict?
2020-04-19 19:09:39	jophish	Seems like the kind of bug which could easily sneak in 
2020-04-19 19:09:44	alanz_	jophish, lukelau has something like that
2020-04-19 19:09:51	alanz_	via lsp-test
2020-04-19 19:09:52	fendor	yeah, there is a record feature in lsp-test
2020-04-19 19:10:02	fendor	but I guess, that is not entirely the question
2020-04-19 19:10:27	alanz_	and I think mpickering et al set up some kind of quickcheck test to generate a session?
2020-04-19 19:10:56	alanz_	or at least to script a representative session, opening the same file n times
2020-04-19 19:11:01	alanz_	via lsp-test
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2020-04-19 19:15:48	fendor	I am very confused. Is github ui broken? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/69 This looks like I am opening a PR with all the changes that got merged an hour ago?
2020-04-19 19:17:02	fendor	got it
2020-04-19 19:17:07	fendor	one more rebase was needed
2020-04-19 19:17:38	alanz_	ok, because this looks pretty weird: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/network
2020-04-19 19:18:05	alanz_	but this is the fix? https://github.com/fendor/haskell-language-server/commit/910696ab924b58ac9835922a5bfc9a9b3522f24b
2020-04-19 19:18:44	alanz_	I use the GH network view all the time to get a feel for things.
2020-04-19 19:18:47	fendor	yeah, that fixes the tests and warnings
2020-04-19 19:19:18	alanz_	It is topological, so even if a thing is rebased, and keeps its original time-stamp, it still shows up in the right place on the graph
2020-04-19 19:19:39	fendor	I am struggling with circleci at the moment
2020-04-19 19:19:55	fendor	it wants me to create a circleci branch although we already have a circlci config in the repo
2020-04-19 19:21:19	alanz_	maybe it has changed, somehow.
2020-04-19 19:21:47	alanz_	I always log in to circle using GH credentials, then list my repos, and enable it from there. In circle
2020-04-19 19:21:54	fendor	yeah, me too
2020-04-19 19:22:01	fendor	but it looks so different now
2020-04-19 19:23:30	alanz_	I am just looking. They try to help you set up the file, you can ignore all that stuff, the key is setting up the hook
2020-04-19 19:24:32	fendor	alanz_, I see there is an option to enable build on PR
2020-04-19 19:24:37	fendor	is that enabled in hls?
2020-04-19 19:24:46	fendor	in https://circleci.com/gh/haskell/haskell-language-server/edit#advanced-settings
2020-04-19 19:24:48	alanz_	I will check
2020-04-19 19:25:16	alanz_	I just enabled that
2020-04-19 19:25:20	fendor	I think I just enabled it? not sure I would have the permissions, though
2020-04-19 19:25:22	fendor	great
2020-04-19 19:25:36	alanz_	it is worth setting up your own repo too, though
2020-04-19 19:27:11	fendor	yeah
2020-04-19 19:27:13	alanz_	fendor, when it asks about the branch you can say "add manually"
2020-04-19 19:27:26	alanz_	then click start building
2020-04-19 19:27:41	mpickering	The problem with lsp-test is it doesn't replay a log with the right time intervals
2020-04-19 19:27:44	alanz_	I just did that for another project
2020-04-19 19:27:46	mpickering	so all the actions happen too fast
2020-04-19 19:28:11	alanz_	maybe we should ask lukelau to take a look?
2020-04-19 19:28:26	alanz_	sounds like something worth doing.
2020-04-19 19:28:34	lukelau	alanz_: pong
2020-04-19 19:29:20	alanz_	lukelau, we were just talking about playing back captured transcripts, honouring the captured timing
2020-04-19 19:29:26	lukelau	mpickering: i think the replay stuff needs to be redone. currently i think it fires requests + notifications just in the order that it came in
2020-04-19 19:29:31	alanz_	which is a can of worms, I guess
2020-04-19 19:29:40	lukelau	waiting on responses
2020-04-19 19:29:43	alanz_	as the server may take different times
2020-04-19 19:30:06	lukelau	alanz_: yeah, hopefully ill get around to redoing it this summer
2020-04-19 19:30:21	alanz_	thats what I was hoping
2020-04-19 19:30:34	fendor	alanz_, I think I set it up now
2020-04-19 19:30:36	lukelau	there’s also a lot of hardcoded stuff for specific requests/responses in the replay stuff
2020-04-19 19:30:46	lukelau	so proceed with caution 😬 
2020-04-19 19:30:52	alanz_	fendor, did you come right setting up circle? I managed to do it for another repo, doing that manual thing
2020-04-19 19:31:06	mpickering	I think I tried to fix this already
2020-04-19 19:31:14	mpickering	and it was all a bit hairy for me
2020-04-19 19:31:21	alanz_	lukelau, I think replay is one of those things that *seems* simple, until you try to actually do it
2020-04-19 19:31:22	mpickering	The stuff with MVars is very low level
2020-04-19 19:31:43	alanz_	we should probably model it on those chatd scripts you used to get for modems and things
2020-04-19 19:32:31	fendor	alanz_, not sure, I commited a branch with some generated circleci config, which I deleted and now it picks up all other branches that I push
2020-04-19 19:33:48	alanz_	ok, sounds good. FYI, instead of using the generated stuff you can choose the manual option, then click "build now", and it sets up the gh integration with the repo
2020-04-19 19:34:24	alanz_	but either method gets to the result. I guess they want a branch to not accidentally trash any existing config
2020-04-19 19:35:12	fendor	I dont see a button to choose manual option...
2020-04-19 19:36:02	fendor	well, I got to the results
2020-04-19 19:37:05	alanz_	fendor, you hit add projects, select the repo, then press "start building". It puts up a window with a greyed out "manual" button
2020-04-19 19:37:28	fendor	alanz_, ah, finally, thank you
2020-04-19 19:38:05	alanz_	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/kSAhnGHP/Screenshot%20from%202020-04-19%2015-07-25.png
2020-04-19 19:38:30	fendor	thank you :) 
2020-04-19 19:39:43	alanz_	not obvious. Basically choose manual option all the way through
2020-04-19 19:40:10	alanz_	and now my local ghcide has circle enabled too
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2020-04-20 07:45:21	jamiahx	hello
2020-04-20 07:45:34	jamiahx	is there a PPA or cabal package for hie?
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2020-04-20 10:28:04	jneira	jamiahx akaik thereis no ppa and the package is not uploaded to hackage, there is  https://github.com/Infinisil/all-hies for nix
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2020-04-20 10:51:33	jamiahx	k, th
2020-04-20 10:51:35	jamiahx	thx
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2020-04-20 18:22:24	jneira	hey fendor, maybe asking too much but i would love to know your thought about https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/68
2020-04-20 18:23:19	jneira	i am collecting the behaviour of hls in diff types of projects, with the hie-bios implicit cradle and the cabal-helper one
2020-04-20 18:24:09	jneira	i have noted that it compiles the runtime part every time that calls o cabal or stack, maybe it is a windows specific issue
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2020-04-20 21:38:38	fendor	jneira, sorry, been away the whole day.
2020-04-20 21:38:50	fendor	ill take a look at it
2020-04-20 21:39:12	fendor	who compiled the runtime part every time cabal or stack? cabal-helper, right? 
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2020-04-20 23:06:41	jneira	fendor: no worries, i wanted to mean that cabal-helper seems to be recompiled each time it has to call cabal or stack
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2020-04-21 02:29:13	alanz_	fendor, mpickering is there any way to get some sort of progress out of hie-bios (multi-component branch), when the cradle is doing its configure and build step? the stderr log shows all the detail of the cabal commands, but would prefer an actual $/progress thing
2020-04-21 02:29:51	alanz_	even if it is just a begin, report, report, report, end. Where the reports are every second, or whatever. That kicks a spinner.
2020-04-21 02:30:24	alanz_	or is that just something I can throw into the existing progress reporting in ghcide
2020-04-21 02:53:17	hexagoxel	hmm which GHC versions does HIE try to support? I see there are stack.yamls for 8.4 - 8.8 roughly?
2020-04-21 02:58:34	alanz_	hexagoxel, hls is doing 8.6 and up
2020-04-21 02:58:50	alanz_	and if there is a problem with 8.4 at hie, we can drop it too
2020-04-21 03:00:57	hexagoxel	ok great. I'll probably drop 8.0 and 8.2 for brittany sometime soonish.
2020-04-21 03:05:08	alanz_	tag a release before them, make a note in the README, and move in
2020-04-21 03:05:10	alanz_	on
2020-04-21 03:14:24	alanz_	hmm, goto definition in current hls master does not work cross component. It used to.
2020-04-21 03:14:35	alanz_	(once the other component is loaded)
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2020-04-21 03:42:41	mpickering	alanz_: There's a hook which you can modify to do whatever
2020-04-21 03:43:22	alanz_	where is it? I have got as far as optGhcSession in the defaultOptions
2020-04-21 03:43:34	alanz_	and contemplating wrapping that to report progress
2020-04-21 03:44:07	alanz_	which tracks back to loadGhcSession
2020-04-21 03:45:30	alanz_	I also get progress as "Processing", with nothing more, and doing a small number of things, like 2. Occasionally as much as 20. When processing hls
2020-04-21 03:46:15	alanz_	mpickering, could we defer the initial session setup to inside ghcide, so it is ina running server already, can report progress for the initial cradle discover etc
2020-04-21 03:46:52	alanz_	i.e. make the options param to initialise an IO func that can report progress.
2020-04-21 03:46:55	alanz_	somehoe
2020-04-21 03:46:58	mpickering	probably
2020-04-21 03:47:03	mpickering	I can't think about it now
2020-04-21 03:47:37	alanz_	no problem. I am just getting my brain around it. Any pointers as to where I might find the hook you mentioned?
2020-04-21 03:48:07	alanz_	i seem to recall a statement about the stderr stuff in hie-bios being filtered for progress reporting, or something
2020-04-21 03:53:05	mpickering	It's in exe/Main.hs
2020-04-21 03:53:29	alanz_	a progress reporting hook? looking
2020-04-21 03:54:06	alanz_	optReportProgress. hmm.
2020-04-21 03:57:42	alanz_	ok, will rummage some more tomorrow, getting a sense of things
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2020-04-22 12:28:09	typetetris	Good Day! Should hie be able to follow cross file references? Like goto definition in another file? (In neovim + coc, that doesn't seem to work for me. Just wanted to check whether  that is a known limitation.)
2020-04-22 12:34:19	jneira	It seems it is a known bug in the vim/neovim integration: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1746
2020-04-22 12:34:54	jneira	It works in other editors, at least for me it works in vscode 
2020-04-22 12:35:48	typetetris	Just checked it also doesn't work in vscode for me :(
2020-04-22 12:36:06	typetetris	jneira, what version of hie do you have?
2020-04-22 12:45:37	jneira	jumm, i usually have the master version, but i think the last released version should work
2020-04-22 12:46:19	jneira	It must work for definitions in the same file for sure, but inside the same package too
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2020-04-22 13:05:52	typetetris	`hie --version`  tells me `Version 1.1 x86_64 ghc-8.6.5`. In the same file it works, but not for functions/types defined in a different file :(
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2020-04-23 01:34:55	mpickering	I implemented goto type definition for ghcide now
2020-04-23 01:35:01	mpickering	very useful when working on ghc I find
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2020-04-23 01:36:25	wz1000	neat. this is something that could have been done ages ago
2020-04-23 01:39:10	alanz_	mpickering, I see it there. And I want to see that sort of PR on hls, but need momentum first I guess. Plus you are a hard-core ghcide guy anyway
2020-04-23 01:39:27	alanz_	I am finally back to chasing progress reporting again
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2020-04-23 01:45:55	fendor	goto type definition is very cool! 
2020-04-23 01:49:36	fendor	maybe it even gets merged, eventually :)
2020-04-23 01:50:34	alanz_	otherwise we make a bootleg merge into hls. Where we are actually active :)
2020-04-23 01:51:01	alanz_	That might be an interesting exercise in its own right anywya.
2020-04-23 01:53:36	fendor	I imagine it gets annoying to manage at some point.
2020-04-23 01:54:19	alanz_	well, the hope is that we get some momentum up soon
2020-04-23 01:54:28	alanz_	And I think that will be happening soon
2020-04-23 01:54:30	wz1000	just need to update the submodule, no?
2020-04-23 01:54:52	alanz_	on hls?
2020-04-23 01:55:22	alanz_	we may need to plumb it through on the plugin stuff too
2020-04-23 01:55:24	wz1000	yeah
2020-04-23 01:55:43	alanz_	but it is a good learning exercise
2020-04-23 01:55:53	fendor	Not sure we want to diverge too far from ghcide main repo
2020-04-23 01:57:34	fendor	However, I would actually also like to explore the reflex based approach a bit more.
2020-04-23 01:59:34	mpickering	If ghcide is never updated again at least my reflex branch will not be too far behind
2020-04-23 01:59:56	alanz_	mpickering, the reflex branch is not the multi-component one?
2020-04-23 02:00:12	mpickering	Correct
2020-04-23 02:00:25	alanz_	ok, its the one in a separate repo, iirc?
2020-04-23 02:01:04	fendor	nohttps://github.com/mpickering/ghcide-reflex/tree/reflex
2020-04-23 02:01:22	alanz_	thats what I mean, a separate repo
2020-04-23 02:01:26	fendor	* https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide-reflex/tree/reflex
2020-04-23 02:01:31	fendor	yeah
2020-04-23 02:01:35	wz1000	mpickering: your apply-refact gambit doesn't seem to have paid off
2020-04-23 02:01:51	mpickering	One of my better gambits as well
2020-04-23 02:02:05	mpickering	Complain about sore wrists and then still do the release
2020-04-23 02:02:05	alanz_	My view at the moment is that we must make hls move forward, ghcide is regarded as "stable" by its guardians, so we must move on a version that we can mutate
2020-04-23 02:02:44	mpickering	alanz_: this is problematic though because the performance is still not good.. 
2020-04-23 02:02:48	alanz_	mpickering, you must check stupid things like height of keyboard relative to your body, etc
2020-04-23 02:02:53	mpickering	Anyway I keep saying this
2020-04-23 02:02:58	mpickering	Yes I fixed it now
2020-04-23 02:03:05	mpickering	I was too low at home
2020-04-23 02:03:27	alanz_	mpickering, I am not prepared to move to a different architecture from the main ghcide without evaluation/input from the guys who know things there.
2020-04-23 02:03:32	alanz_	so ndm et al
2020-04-23 02:03:58	alanz_	but I *do* see hls having a long-running branch
2020-04-23 02:03:59	mpickering	We have tried to fix it a bit by modifying shake but Neil is also ignoring that PR
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2020-04-23 02:04:13	alanz_	which we request to merge upstream, but we cant let it hold us back
2020-04-23 02:04:47	alanz_	Neil has been ill this last while. Did you see his issue re hlint 3.0? he is recovering from coronavirus
2020-04-23 02:05:04	alanz_	pretty good justification for having been a bit quiet recently
2020-04-23 02:05:32	alanz_	https://github.com/ndmitchell/hlint/issues/942#issuecomment-616846417
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2020-04-23 02:06:21	mpickering	I see, that's understandable then
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2020-04-23 02:07:14	fendor	oh my. I wish ndm a speedy recovery!
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2020-04-23 02:07:28	alanz_	I gather he is over the worst, and it was not too bad, but still a very crappy experience
2020-04-23 02:08:19	fendor	Surely no fun at all. 
2020-04-23 02:23:08	alanz_	fendor, something I think could be useful for hls is a code lens to give info about the hie-bios config for a given haskell file in a project
2020-04-23 02:23:54	alanz_	like we have for the erlang one: https://github.com/erlang-ls/erlang_ls/issues/601
2020-04-23 02:24:02	alanz_	which has a description of it
2020-04-23 02:24:41	alanz_	because right now I have opened some file in hie from hie-plugin-api, and not seeing info. Not sure why.
2020-04-23 02:25:55	fendor	alanz_, That is a great idea! I love it, adding it to my whiteboard list
2020-04-23 02:26:05	alanz_	I was hoping you would
2020-04-23 02:26:15	alanz_	and a nice greenfields thing to tackle for hls
2020-04-23 02:27:31	fendor	yeah it sounds straight forward. Will tackle it on friday after my exam
2020-04-23 02:28:37	alanz_	no rush, just something that would be useful
2020-04-23 02:29:19	fendor	yeah I agree. 
2020-04-23 02:29:59	alanz_	Something else in the usability / hie-bios case, is https://gist.github.com/alanz/dba2f262c0d8c6a4f993087ce8c7af7f
2020-04-23 02:30:07	alanz_	with the hie.yaml at the bottom
2020-04-23 02:30:42	alanz_	it gives a huge amount of detail. I would like to know that it has recognised the bit that goes
2020-04-23 02:30:43	alanz_	    - path: "./hie-plugin-api/Haskell"
2020-04-23 02:30:44	alanz_	      component: "lib:hie-plugin-api"
2020-04-23 02:31:33	alanz_	eventually, I want to provide a diagnostics / code lens / code action on a hie.yaml file to tell what it matches to
2020-04-23 02:31:55	alanz_	i.e. treat hie.yaml as a kind of file we process in hls.
2020-04-23 02:32:17	 *	alanz_ best not to keep people from their studying
2020-04-23 02:35:17	fendor	you mean that it shows which part of the multi-cradle is chosen?
2020-04-23 02:35:25	fendor	not studying today anymore :D 
2020-04-23 02:38:26	alanz_	fendor, yes
2020-04-23 02:39:00	alanz_	I want to run some kind of a lint in a hie.yaml multi-cradle. Show what will never match, what refers to components that dont exist, etc
2020-04-23 02:39:17	alanz_	And it could be a great context to expose the implicit config generator too
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2020-04-23 02:39:58	alanz_	so you open the hie.yaml, creating it if it does not exist, as an unsaved file. Then run diagnostics against it, reporting what it will do. If you are happy, you save it
2020-04-23 02:40:05	fendor	While great idea, it could be difficult. Stack accepts filepaths as targets, and the cabal syntax is very sophisticated, e.g. it allows a lot.
2020-04-23 02:40:32	alanz_	this is just a concept in my mind, I have no idea how practical it is.
2020-04-23 02:41:02	alanz_	but given we do actually use those entries, somehow, we could report if we are able to actually load a file using it
2020-04-23 02:41:19	alanz_	much like what we do with the manual CLI usage noe
2020-04-23 02:41:20	alanz_	now
2020-04-23 02:44:45	fendor	I like the idea. Just feels so far in the future
2020-04-23 02:52:15	alanz_	it does not have to be. And that is a vision, we can build small bits that are useful, and expand from there
2020-04-23 02:52:33	alanz_	its amazing how much you can do if you break it into tiny bits and just do them
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2020-04-23 03:12:54	alanz_	mpickering, fendor: this is using hls at current master, trying to open hls/exe/Main.hs, the *hie::stderr* https://gist.github.com/alanz/c0034bf765916b84fe3c54f24ea5df37
2020-04-23 03:13:03	alanz_	it is endlessly rebuilding
2020-04-23 03:13:31	alanz_	note: I edited Main.hs so it has an error in it
2020-04-23 03:14:42	fendor	was the error from the beginning? E.g. from the start of the session or did you introduce it during the session?
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2020-04-23 03:15:53	fendor	The logging output from ghcide is not sufficient >_< Logging in HIE dumps almost everything
2020-04-23 03:16:01	alanz_	I put it there from the beginning. I think. I did two things, disabled -Wno-name-shadowing, which spat out a lot of warnings, then made the HIE.Bios imports qualified, to see where the cradle stuff is used
2020-04-23 03:16:31	alanz_	fendor, that is the emacs lsp client, which dumps the contents of stderr to a window
2020-04-23 03:16:46	alanz_	vscode does it too, I think, in the Output pane
2020-04-23 03:17:01	fendor	no, the output of ghcide just isnt that informative, imo
2020-04-23 03:17:02	alanz_	And this output is in ghcide too, I am pretty sure
2020-04-23 03:17:10	alanz_	ok
2020-04-23 03:17:38	fendor	so, maybe it never successfully instantiated a session and for every change it tries to retrieve new options?
2020-04-23 03:17:43	alanz_	I am trying to get my head around how it works so I can have progress reporting on that stuff. It exists in hie
2020-04-23 03:18:04	fendor	HIE behaves in a similar way if the file has a broken dependency
2020-04-23 03:18:11	alanz_	fendor, I think that is the case. It needs to give up though, instead of contributing to global warning
2020-04-23 03:18:28	alanz_	try again if something actually changes
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2020-04-23 03:18:45	alanz_	because it does register file watchers on pretty much everything
2020-04-23 03:18:54	fendor	hahaha. 
2020-04-23 03:19:32	fendor	is shake that expensive? Invoking cabal is obviously expensive...
2020-04-23 03:19:49	fendor	I think, too, that there should be some kind of delay before retrying
2020-04-23 03:19:52	alanz_	That is hie-bios operations, I think
2020-04-23 03:19:58	fendor	yeah
2020-04-23 03:20:17	alanz_	delays are a kludge. If you are getting notifications of changes, you use those
2020-04-23 03:21:19	fendor	but for what changes should it wait? Changes in module dependencies? 
2020-04-23 03:21:36	fendor	that should be possible to watch for
2020-04-23 03:22:01	alanz_	well, ghcide registers watchers on anything that might affect the graph. So if the configure fails, stop.
2020-04-23 03:22:16	alanz_	ghcide via shake will try again if anything changes
2020-04-23 03:22:31	alanz_	As I understand things, anyway
2020-04-23 03:22:37	fendor	yeah, I think so, too
2020-04-23 03:22:41	fendor	needs to be fixed in ghcide then
2020-04-23 03:22:46	alanz_	This is in the hls/ghcide context, of course
2020-04-23 03:24:03	alanz_	The other thing is if I do my own build, via "cabal new-build", it ends up reconfiguring and building from scratch. Because hie-bios reconfigures the project for its own purpose
2020-04-23 03:24:19	alanz_	I reckon we should use a custom dist-newstyle for hie bios
2020-04-23 03:24:26	fendor	yeah, I have been observing this as well
2020-04-23 03:24:33	alanz_	in the cache dir
2020-04-23 03:24:51	fendor	For now, I resorted to do something `cabal build --distdir dev-dir` for my own development.
2020-04-23 03:24:55	alanz_	so the tool can set things up to be buildable, different optimisations, etc
2020-04-23 03:25:29	alanz_	that works, but the tool should be the one that gets out of the way. I wonder if that can go in the cabal.project file.
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2020-04-23 03:25:56	fendor	Yeah, that is nice idea. But users need to be able to easily clean it up as well
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2020-04-23 03:26:26	alanz_	<rant>turning off the name shadowing warning is a terrible thing to do. Makes code harder to read and understand.</rant>
2020-04-23 03:27:00	Rembane	So you're not cool with all the variables having the name x? 
2020-04-23 03:27:06	fendor	I like ndm's blog post about it. In a do-statement, shadowing makes sense
2020-04-23 03:29:03	alanz_	Well, maybe. But I have been bitten by that so many times I prefer to have it as a warning
2020-04-23 03:29:27	alanz_	which has the side effect that dumb editor tools are useful, if the file is not currently compilable
2020-04-23 03:30:21	alanz_	and you can't say: name shadowing is ok in a do statement only, when you are changing a variable that was not originally shadowing some imported function name
2020-04-23 03:30:40	fendor	that is reasonable, too. 
2020-04-23 03:30:49	fendor	Oh yeah, imports are very annoying in haskell.
2020-04-23 03:30:56	alanz_	Like people using id as a variable name, and then you try to use it and get screwed
2020-04-23 03:31:04	fendor	at the moment, I get mad everytime that I have to look up how Data.Text is imported
2020-04-23 03:31:20	alanz_	so in the meantime I prefer to just never shadow names.
2020-04-23 03:31:36	alanz_	And yes, you do sometimes end up with the t, t', t'' nonsense
2020-04-23 03:32:30	alanz_	Anyway. I know know what calls are going into hie-bios in exe/Main.hs, can try to work out where/how to wrap them in progrsss
2020-04-23 03:32:54	alanz_	to use the xxxWithMessage variants/
2020-04-23 03:33:00	fendor	nice! 
2020-04-23 03:33:30	alanz_	And probably move the whole thing into the mothership, so we *have* a messaging context when setting up the cradle initially
2020-04-23 03:34:08	alanz_	fendor, it is not really progress, I am still diving in to see how it works.  Best way to understand a thing is to try to change it in some simple way
2020-04-23 03:36:45	fendor	Yeah. I am currently in progress trying to modify the hover message. I am using the same strategy
2020-04-23 03:38:05	alanz_	my preferred learning strategy.
2020-04-23 03:38:16	alanz_	works well, you are focused
2020-04-23 03:42:08	alanz_	fendor, fyi, making the file actually compile limits the config stuff for hie-bios to a slightly more sane amount. Only 100 lines of junk, pretty sure it reconfigures and builds about 5 times though
2020-04-23 03:42:15	alanz_	I guess once per component
2020-04-23 03:42:24	fendor	yeah, that makes sense
2020-04-23 03:42:45	alanz_	and emacs tells me it wants to watch 1593 files, am I ok with that
2020-04-23 03:42:58	fendor	yeah, five sounds about right, ghcide, hie-bios, lib:hie-plugin-api, lib:haskell-language-server
2020-04-23 03:43:00	alanz_	I guess it is the git checkouts into dist, among other things
2020-04-23 03:43:56	alanz_	And I really like deadgrep as a way to cheaply do cross-component goto definition
2020-04-23 03:44:09	fendor	what is deadgrep? 
2020-04-23 03:44:27	fendor	lol, lisp using ripgrep? :D 
2020-04-23 03:44:33	alanz_	its a plugin for emacs, wrapper around ripgrep
2020-04-23 03:44:38	alanz_	yep
2020-04-23 03:44:46	alanz_	but really good ui, and fast
2020-04-23 03:44:48	fendor	oh yeah, I use ripgrep as my daily driver, too
2020-04-23 03:45:11	fendor	driver is probably too much, but I use it instead of grep
2020-04-23 03:45:16	fendor	and fd instead of find
2020-04-23 03:46:17	alanz_	ok. What IDE do you use?
2020-04-23 03:46:22	alanz_	editor
2020-04-23 03:46:33	fendor	vscode atm
2020-04-23 03:47:10	alanz_	ok. Its pretty good I believe. I just have too much muscle-memory invested in emacs
2020-04-23 03:47:44	alanz_	And a little part of me dies when I see things like memoIO
2020-04-23 03:49:01	fendor	I never properly learned vim, not even setup emacs, so no trouble with that! But I think I want to move to something less microsoft-y 
2020-04-23 03:49:16	fendor	why?
2020-04-23 03:50:02	fendor	It seems a bit procedurally 
2020-04-23 03:50:56	alanz_	well, the general pattern of just throwing IOVars and things all over the place bugs me
2020-04-23 03:51:25	alanz_	kind of, why bother using a functional language if we just make global vars everywhere
2020-04-23 03:51:40	alanz_	But I guess if the scope of the IOVar is carefully managed it is ok
2020-04-23 03:52:20	alanz_	but the pattern of seeing locks slathered all over things also makes me wonder. Anyway, the stuff works, not my place to mutter about it
2020-04-23 03:52:35	fendor	I see what you mean. yeah, there are a lot of locks, afaict
2020-04-23 03:54:29	alanz_	I guess I have been a closet actor-model programmer for too long :)
2020-04-23 03:55:35	fendor	hehe :) bed time for me, good night! 
2020-04-23 03:58:59	alanz_	yes, me too. Chat tomorrow
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2020-04-23 13:15:44	mpickering	I have attempted to fix the logic to ensure that only one cradle is ever running at once and is never killed by ghcide 
2020-04-23 13:15:50	mpickering	and also included my type definition code in my branch
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2020-04-23 13:39:02	wz1000	the -cide is a an unfortunate suffix. makes it sound quite murderous. like genocide or pesticide
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2020-04-23 14:35:22	fendor	when executing hie on hie, with only cabal-helper, I get the error `panic! planPackages.mkPackage: Got non-unpacked package src!`. Any idea what is going on?
2020-04-23 16:25:39	mpickering	Is it common for everyone that "go to implementations" is always available in vscode even if there is no handler?
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2020-04-23 18:05:26	mpickering	Has anyone actually tried using ghcide or hls on GHC apart from me?
2020-04-23 18:05:30	mpickering	It is actually nice
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2020-04-23 19:25:04	jneira	fendor:  https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/issues/99
2020-04-23 19:25:27	jneira	cause of `panic! planPackages.mkPackage: Got non-unpacked package src!`
2020-04-23 19:25:56	jneira	i comment the `source-repository-package` to workaround :-/
2020-04-23 19:26:58	jneira	(just in case you are not still aware)
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2020-04-23 19:34:15	fendor	jneira, ah, thank you! 
2020-04-23 19:34:19	fendor	then we can merge my pr
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2020-04-23 21:13:14	reactormonk	hie is dumping stack left and right here - would a core dump help at all? A reproducible example will probably be a bit harder to come by.
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2020-04-23 22:43:45	fendor	reactormonk, what is happening?
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2020-04-23 22:59:58	alanz_	mpickering, I am going to rebase my hls ghcide multi branch on your updated one. Is that a good thing to do, or is it still experimental?
2020-04-23 23:00:32	mpickering	my updated one is only type definition + making sure only one cradle is queried at once
2020-04-23 23:00:36	mpickering	so good to rebase
2020-04-23 23:01:35	alanz_	great, keen on both of those. And will then continue with progress
2020-04-23 23:02:18	alanz_	And I am really keen to move all that fiddly logic out of exe/Main.hs into its own spot, preferably a library of some kind. I want a very thin Main.hs
2020-04-23 23:02:37	mpickering	Have you used hls or ghcide on ghc yet?
2020-04-23 23:02:45	mpickering	it should just work like a normal project
2020-04-23 23:02:46	alanz_	maybe we should do something like that in the interim
2020-04-23 23:02:52	mpickering	the hie.yaml and hie-bios is all in the ghc repo
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2020-04-23 23:03:16	alanz_	no, I haven't.  I guess I should give it a try
2020-04-23 23:03:35	alanz_	I do a lot with Parser.y, will it deal with that?
2020-04-23 23:04:19	mpickering	In what way?
2020-04-23 23:04:29	mpickering	recompiling if you change it?
2020-04-23 23:05:12	mpickering	hmm I don't think so
2020-04-23 23:05:23	mpickering	you could add a dependency to the hie.yaml on it
2020-04-23 23:07:02	alanz_	ok. Just opened it on my WIP branch, rebased about a week ago. Not happy about something in shake
2020-04-23 23:07:33	alanz_	https://gist.github.com/alanz/b9ed1089542da8b50dc1c45bd735ea0b
2020-04-23 23:07:49	mpickering	delete `.hie-bios`
2020-04-23 23:07:59	mpickering	It's probably from an old version of GHC
2020-04-23 23:08:40	alanz_	ok. I also have a direnv setting to put a different GHC onto my path
2020-04-23 23:08:51	alanz_	using 8.8.3, but should be ok
2020-04-23 23:09:18	alanz_	looks better now
2020-04-23 23:09:53	alanz_	building static libraries
2020-04-23 23:09:53	mpickering	Adding the `Parser.y` file to the dependencies section of hie.yaml does make it restart the cradle
2020-04-23 23:10:02	mpickering	but doesn't seem to work for some other reason
2020-04-23 23:10:24	alanz_	I know there is some voodoo in hadrian to make that work. Was broken for a long time.
2020-04-23 23:10:39	alanz_	But I am happy to trigger a build manually when that changes
2020-04-23 23:11:10	alanz_	It wants to add 51k files to the watcher, emacs a bit unhappy
2020-04-23 23:11:26	alanz_	51581 watched files
2020-04-23 23:11:47	alanz_	and I have hover info. Nice
2020-04-23 23:12:09	mpickering	great that was easy
2020-04-23 23:12:37	alanz_	hmm, I could get used to this. So accustomed to this just not working, I long ago turned off all my nice stuff for GHC
2020-04-23 23:12:50	mpickering	I checked and running hie-bios again does regenerate the file but shake for some reason does not recompile it. Perhaps I was opening the wrong file
2020-04-23 23:12:51	alanz_	mpickering, thanks for prodding me, and having something that acutally works
2020-04-23 23:13:03	mpickering	Do you know a file which opens the parser?
2020-04-23 23:14:48	mpickering	for some reason there are not diagnostics when the parser is failing to compile, not sure what is going on
2020-04-23 23:15:47	alanz_	I was just thinking the same. hold on
2020-04-23 23:16:29	mpickering	because I checked and the Parser.hs definitely gets regenerated by hadrian 
2020-04-23 23:16:35	mpickering	but then still somehow works
2020-04-23 23:16:43	mpickering	and I am not feeling like investigating that right now
2020-04-23 23:16:53	mpickering	Been battling with GHC infinitely looping all day
2020-04-23 23:17:46	alanz_	no problem. I currently have "./hadrian/build -j9" running concurrently, and things are *very* sluggish
2020-04-23 23:17:54	alanz_	hls only using 2.7G though
2020-04-23 23:18:00	mpickering	oh it will go up quite quickly
2020-04-23 23:18:01	alanz_	(I have 32G)
2020-04-23 23:18:12	mpickering	what is hover time for you?
2020-04-23 23:18:38	alanz_	well, when I say sluggish, the editor itself is unusable. 
2020-04-23 23:18:43	alanz_	the cursor does not work
2020-04-23 23:18:52	mpickering	You can try this if hover time feels slow - https://github.com/ndmitchell/shake/pull/751
2020-04-23 23:18:54	alanz_	comes back to my view that liveness trumps all. 
2020-04-23 23:18:59	mpickering	but it is better recently as there are less -i dirs
2020-04-23 23:19:20	alanz_	ie. I would rather log some telemetry that the logging is bad, but respond immediately, with an empty result
2020-04-23 23:19:44	alanz_	which is in my list of usability fixes I intend to put into place.
2020-04-23 23:21:51	alanz_	fg 1, ctrl-c, move on to other things. hls.
2020-04-23 23:22:32	 *	alanz_ time for food, will be back later
2020-04-23 23:30:00	wz1000	emacs is synchronous so plugins always make it lag
2020-04-23 23:35:15	alanz_	wz1000, it is because the req/rsp messages that should be quick are taking too long. i.e. hover
2020-04-23 23:35:31	alanz_	and exacerbated by emacs being single threaded
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2020-04-23 23:56:31	alanz_	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/73
2020-04-24 00:00:31	alanz_	mpickering, with that branch, the thing I did yesterday with a broken Main.hs has not called hie-bios to loop
2020-04-24 00:00:39	alanz_	(so far)
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2020-04-24 00:28:10	wz1000	alanz_: hls doesn't give incomplete pattern warnings. Is it not desugaring?
2020-04-24 00:32:33	alanz_	wz1000, I now in hie we do things like make sure various warning are enabled. But I am not sure how far down the chain the compilation goes
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2020-04-24 01:00:36	mpickering	wz1000: Nope, try enabling `TemplateHaskell` in your module then you will get them I think :)
2020-04-24 01:00:47	mpickering	Or just put it in your DefaultExtensions in your cabal file
2020-04-24 01:04:42	wz1000	mpickering: is it the same for ghcide?
2020-04-24 01:04:50	mpickering	yeah
2020-04-24 01:04:59	wz1000	why though
2020-04-24 01:05:02	mpickering	It amazes me how little people complain about this
2020-04-24 01:05:06	mpickering	faster to not desugar
2020-04-24 01:05:07	wz1000	thats the most useful warning
2020-04-24 01:05:32	wz1000	whats even the point of typechecking if we don't get this
2020-04-24 01:09:28	mpickering	so you get hover?
2020-04-24 01:09:34	mpickering	and every other useful feature of an IDE?
2020-04-24 01:09:54	wz1000	i was kidding lol
2020-04-24 01:10:04	mpickering	Feel free to make a patch :)
2020-04-24 01:10:09	wz1000	but the point of a typechecker is to make sure I'm covering all the cases
2020-04-24 01:10:16	mpickering	It is a bit annoying I admit but I just ignore warnings anyway
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2020-04-24 01:11:09	mpickering	If you start doing that then it's easier
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2020-04-24 01:12:44	alanz_	mpickering, you are not your average developer, should not be used as a benchmark for feature set :)
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2020-04-24 01:15:39	wz1000	without incomplete pattern warnings haskell is basically python
2020-04-24 01:21:50	alanz_	wz1000, I agree that we need to get all the warnings we expect
2020-04-24 01:22:15	alanz_	People are happy with the performance of hie, so no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater on this
2020-04-24 01:31:37	fendor	I wouldnt say people are entirely happy. I semi-regular hear from performance problems on large code-bases. So we should aim to have a high performant ide. However, I definitely want this warning as well
2020-04-24 01:32:20	alanz_	I was wondering if we could have our cake and eat it. 
2020-04-24 01:32:31	fendor	I would expect so! 
2020-04-24 01:32:39	fendor	at least in this regard :P
2020-04-24 01:32:40	alanz_	my understanding is you can get warnings/errors per compiler phase
2020-04-24 01:32:57	alanz_	so it would only go on to the later phases if the earlier passed.
2020-04-24 01:33:32	alanz_	but it is a task scheduler, so we could e.g. do everything up to typechecking (as now), then when all that is done, allow the desugaring to go ahead
2020-04-24 01:34:09	alanz_	effectively in idle time. ie. tune for maximum responsiveness
2020-04-24 01:34:31	alanz_	it === shake
2020-04-24 01:34:46	fendor	yeah, I mean, that must be possible, right?
2020-04-24 01:35:05	alanz_	or whatever mpickering decides to use instead. But at any given time there is a graph of possible actions that can be scheduled
2020-04-24 01:35:33	alanz_	worth exploring. Or something to take up with the people having deeper knowledge of this stuff
2020-04-24 01:36:32	wz1000	yeah, kicking off desugaring when idle seems like a good compromise
2020-04-24 01:36:48	wz1000	so hover etc. don't have to wait for it
2020-04-24 01:41:21	alanz_	that, and I still want to decouple the "hot" messages from the graph. hover, completions, etc.
2020-04-24 01:41:39	alanz_	like we did in hie, if there is info, use it, else return nothing or stale info
2020-04-24 01:44:21	wz1000	yes, I agree with that also
2020-04-24 01:44:46	alanz_	good.
2020-04-24 01:45:34	alanz_	lots to do, our list is growing
2020-04-24 01:46:21	jose_zap	does completion suggestions work with the new hls?
2020-04-24 01:46:54	alanz_	I don't know, tbh. I think so. It has everything in ghcide, plus formatters at the moment
2020-04-24 01:48:30	jose_zap	I tried it recently but could not get the completion to work
2020-04-24 01:48:45	jose_zap	did not dig into why, but tried with 2 different editors in a couple of projects
2020-04-24 01:49:00	mpickering	jose_zap: I think completions do work with ghcide
2020-04-24 01:49:08	mpickering	but it is too slow to be usable 
2020-04-24 01:49:16	mpickering	(on ghc anyway)
2020-04-24 01:49:23	mpickering	the hie ones are a lot better
2020-04-24 01:49:43	jose_zap	oh? yeah, completions on hie are really good
2020-04-24 01:50:20	jose_zap	hls only returned and empty array for all the completions requests each time
2020-04-24 01:50:49	jose_zap	can completions be offered by hie instead of ghcide instead?
2020-04-24 01:51:29	alanz_	jose_zap, this is the first shaky steps of moving things over.
2020-04-24 01:51:50	alanz_	so no promises, we are happy that anything works, at this point. Not something for general use
2020-04-24 01:52:05	alanz_	i.e. expectations need to be low right now. 
2020-04-24 01:52:24	jose_zap	yeah, I'm more looking into things to coontribute, to be honest
2020-04-24 01:52:36	wz1000	mpickering: how so? I pretty sure the ghcide completion code is stolen from hie
2020-04-24 01:52:39	alanz_	fair enough
2020-04-24 01:52:50	mpickering	the hie code at least when you autocomplete also gives placeholders
2020-04-24 01:52:56	mpickering	and it shows the types of things in the autocomplete list
2020-04-24 01:53:24	jose_zap	lukelau put some good work on that
2020-04-24 01:53:36	wz1000	maybe they don't resolve the completions
2020-04-24 01:54:40	mpickering	It is actually funny how long it takes
2020-04-24 01:54:47	mpickering	have you tried waiting a bit for them?
2020-04-24 01:54:57	mpickering	It takes at least 5s over here
2020-04-24 01:55:04	wz1000	on ghc?
2020-04-24 01:55:36	mpickering	yeah
2020-04-24 01:56:27	wz1000	yeah, no completion resolving on ghcide
2020-04-24 01:56:42	wz1000	completion also works best when you work on stale data
2020-04-24 01:57:18	wz1000	because completions are triggered by edits
2020-04-24 01:57:28	wz1000	which inherently force a recompile
2020-04-24 01:58:03	alanz_	(and most completions wont change from an edit)
2020-04-24 01:59:42	jose_zap	mpickering hmm, I can try waiting longer for them
2020-04-24 01:59:44	mpickering	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esEcPn-MT-I&feature=youtu.be
2020-04-24 02:00:04	mpickering	smash that like button
2020-04-24 02:00:28	mpickering	Perhaps it is just 4s
2020-04-24 02:01:12	wz1000	mpickering: how long does a recompile after an edit take?
2020-04-24 02:01:27	mpickering	Not that long, you can see it happen in the video
2020-04-24 02:01:52	mpickering	by the yellow underlines
2020-04-24 02:02:00	wz1000	mpickering: the completion shows up right after tc gets a squiggly line
2020-04-24 02:02:08	wz1000	my hypothesis is correc
2020-04-24 02:02:09	wz1000	t
2020-04-24 02:02:22	wz1000	notice in the beginning only t has a squiggly line
2020-04-24 02:02:30	mpickering	ah yes after both tc and c get one
2020-04-24 02:02:35	wz1000	yes
2020-04-24 02:02:42	wz1000	so the recompile is holding it back
2020-04-24 02:02:55	wz1000	like I said, we need to use stale data
2020-04-24 02:03:34	alanz_	wz1000, 100%
2020-04-24 02:03:38	mpickering	yeah but how do you implement that with shake?
2020-04-24 02:03:44	mpickering	this is what people have been saying for months
2020-04-24 02:03:48	alanz_	ndm said he had some ideas
2020-04-24 02:03:51	wz1000	I think ndm said it was easy
2020-04-24 02:04:00	alanz_	but that cocreature was against it
2020-04-24 02:04:09	wz1000	yes, something like that
2020-04-24 02:04:09	alanz_	in my mind, it is vital
2020-04-24 02:04:14	mpickering	he also said that he could fix the hover performance if I provided some profiles
2020-04-24 02:04:46	mpickering	There is already this "useWithStale" thing in ghcide
2020-04-24 02:04:53	alanz_	I think there is a philosophical mismatch here. I do not believe it is possible or desirable to get it fast enough
2020-04-24 02:05:08	alanz_	especially for e.g. completions, as wz1000 has pointed out
2020-04-24 02:06:20	mpickering	In fact completions already uses "useWithStale"
2020-04-24 02:06:29	wz1000	haha
2020-04-24 02:06:58	alanz_	mpickering, my emacs is unworkable on ghc, and my *hie::stderr* buffer is 55k lines like "(HscEnvEq 54433,fromList [])
2020-04-24 02:06:59	alanz_	(HscEnvEq 54434,fromList [])
2020-04-24 02:06:59	alanz_	(HscEnvEq 54435,fromList [])
2020-04-24 02:07:02	alanz_	"
2020-04-24 02:07:13	mpickering	that is strange
2020-04-24 02:07:16	alanz_	so I guess there is a problem.
2020-04-24 02:07:25	mpickering	What are you editing?
2020-04-24 02:07:27	alanz_	Using my hls current PR branch
2020-04-24 02:07:35	alanz_	just opening GHC, looking at load'
2020-04-24 02:07:41	alanz_	so Make.hs
2020-04-24 02:07:59	mpickering	I can say that doesn't happen for me in vscode so I need some more info 
2020-04-24 02:08:09	mpickering	That trace happens when there is a cache miss
2020-04-24 02:08:17	mpickering	and a new HscEnvEq is created
2020-04-24 02:08:38	alanz_	I just started the session and opened the file, having searched for the function via dedgrep
2020-04-24 02:10:06	mpickering	yes I don't know why that is happening
2020-04-24 02:10:08	alanz_	mpickering, https://gist.github.com/alanz/c7fe27559611c6034627bb0cb6e93e62
2020-04-24 02:10:29	mpickering	ah that's why
2020-04-24 02:10:35	mpickering	It is continually failing
2020-04-24 02:10:37	alanz_	I ran a separate hadrian/build after hls had initially built it
2020-04-24 02:10:54	alanz_	so I think hadrian and hls have different view's of the world
2020-04-24 02:11:03	alanz_	but your polling needs to take that into account
2020-04-24 02:11:04	mpickering	There is a GHC version mismatch indeed
2020-04-24 02:11:25	mpickering	hls seems to built with 8.6.5
2020-04-24 02:11:29	mpickering	but using 8.8.3 packages
2020-04-24 02:11:47	alanz_	that is in a directory which has direnv set to have ghc-8.8.3 on the path
2020-04-24 02:12:04	alanz_	so maybe this thing is running in a different directory, or something?
2020-04-24 02:12:11	alanz_	higher than that
2020-04-24 02:12:29	alanz_	It did work from inside emacs started from that.
2020-04-24 02:12:33	alanz_	let me try that
2020-04-24 02:13:24	alanz_	oops, I expliticly started the wrong one. hold on
2020-04-24 02:14:44	mpickering	If there's a way in shake to just lookup a key in the database without trying to run the rules then getting stale info is easy
2020-04-24 02:14:47	mpickering	I am looking at it now
2020-04-24 02:14:53	alanz_	ok, using the correct hie it looks like it is building like crazy
2020-04-24 02:15:53	alanz_	https://gist.github.com/alanz/e71ae0e67b459c119cd23aa9e87997e0
2020-04-24 02:16:41	alanz_	keeps adding ghc to the list of HscEnv
2020-04-24 02:17:13	alanz_	in terms of progress, it reported up to 99%, then stalled
2020-04-24 02:20:22	mpickering	OH
2020-04-24 02:20:36	mpickering	It is because the cradle is not listing the targets
2020-04-24 02:20:40	mpickering	I have that patched locally
2020-04-24 02:21:07	mpickering	If you don't use a multi-cradle branch then it will work :P 
2020-04-24 02:21:16	mpickering	yeah sorry about that
2020-04-24 02:22:19	alanz_	no problem
2020-04-24 02:22:54	alanz_	its not something I am particularly concerned about, will disable lsp for ghc again
2020-04-24 02:24:06	mpickering	yeah I have multi-cradle support in hadrian but intwined into another megapatch
2020-04-24 02:24:12	alanz_	ok
2020-04-24 02:24:37	alanz_	Right now I am trying to see where I can thread a progress reporter into the session loader.
2020-04-24 02:25:06	alanz_	I think the simplest might be to just wrap it around at the top, with a timer, and kick it from time to time, so there is a spinner
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2020-04-24 02:35:17	wz1000	mpickering: do you know anything about last years Haskell symposium videos?
2020-04-24 02:35:33	mpickering	no
2020-04-24 02:35:48	mpickering	I know that Jamie was supposed to do them like he did in St Louis
2020-04-24 02:35:59	mpickering	and then they decided to use the same people for all 3 sigplan conferences
2020-04-24 02:36:23	wz1000	the main conference ones are up I think
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2020-04-24 02:42:29	alanz_	ok. so the GhcSession rule has to report progress somehow. 
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2020-04-24 03:04:22	mpickering	so I implemented this stale lookup thing
2020-04-24 03:04:34	mpickering	but it doesn't work correctly because if a key is currently being computed it still blocks
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2020-04-24 03:09:54	wz1000	mpickering: can't you fork/add it to the pool or something
2020-04-24 03:10:30	mpickering	The database is a map from Key to Status
2020-04-24 03:10:33	mpickering	Status is defined like this
2020-04-24 03:11:22	mpickering	https://github.com/ndmitchell/shake/blob/f7190cabd1e4d6ee1baba4a2d357c4ad80784ebb/src/Development/Shake/Internal/Core/Types.hs#L217
2020-04-24 03:12:01	wz1000	it is Running when you do the lookup?
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2020-04-24 03:31:18	mpickering	I didn't check lol
2020-04-24 03:31:28	mpickering	but now I also stored the last value
2020-04-24 03:31:34	mpickering	So now I will check that
2020-04-24 03:34:33	mpickering	Still slow hmm
2020-04-24 03:34:37	mpickering	checking what you suggested now
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2020-04-24 03:37:16	wz1000	i'm heading to bed now, its way too late. good night and good luck
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2020-04-24 03:39:23	mpickering	same
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2020-04-24 03:39:35	mpickering	perhaps I should have just profiled it
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2020-04-24 03:59:18	mpickering	Hmm now I am triggering a shake internal error
2020-04-24 03:59:21	mpickering	but it does seem faster
2020-04-24 03:59:25	mpickering	win some, lose some clearly
2020-04-24 04:00:02	alanz_	ode to joy.
2020-04-24 04:00:29	alanz_	I am slowly wrapping my head around the shake rules etc in ghcide. 
2020-04-24 04:00:35	alanz_	A necessary process, but slow
2020-04-24 04:00:55	alanz_	but enough for today
2020-04-24 04:01:10	alanz_	I just realised I forgot to check go-to-type
2020-04-24 04:02:25	alanz_	hmm, not working for me. Tomorrow
2020-04-24 04:03:11	alanz_	except normal goto (ctrl-]) takes me to the type. 
2020-04-24 04:03:58	alanz_	and, goto-type-definition when on a var takes me to its type. Very nice, thanks mpickering
2020-04-24 04:04:48	mpickering	thanks for testing
2020-04-24 04:08:31	alanz_	sure. now I have to work out how to make the key binding "s-l" work. It is "super" or somethin. 
2020-04-24 04:08:49	alanz_	But that is a feature I have been keen on for a while, great to see it
2020-04-24 04:11:50	mpickering	wz1000: I don't think your patch to shake is doing exactly the right thing, chat about it tomorrow
2020-04-24 04:11:53	mpickering	night everyone
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2020-04-24 10:56:58	wz1000	mpickering: tell me more
2020-04-24 12:21:52	mpickering	wz1000: If you look in `applyKeyValue` then you pass `Nothing ` for the expected duration
2020-04-24 12:22:44	mpickering	but actually you could always lookup what the currently result is, using `getKeyValueFromId`
2020-04-24 12:27:06	wz1000	mpickering: ok, so we can pass in estimates for more actions?
2020-04-24 12:28:09	mpickering	yeah because the only action an estimate is passed in for currently is `buildRunDependenciesChanged`
2020-04-24 12:28:31	mpickering	and I am not sure that's even the right estimate
2020-04-24 12:28:47	wz1000	why not?
2020-04-24 12:29:22	mpickering	because it's the estimate for the running time of the parent action, not an estimate for the key you pass to `lookupOne`
2020-04-24 12:29:35	wz1000	oh
2020-04-24 12:29:40	wz1000	so I should remove that?
2020-04-24 12:30:01	mpickering	I think so
2020-04-24 12:31:47	mpickering	Instead I think you could lookup the current result in `buildOne`
2020-04-24 12:34:41	wz1000	mpickering: the Result variable in buildRunDependenciesChanged is called "me"
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2020-04-24 12:38:30	mpickering	but then lookupKey is called on the dependencies of me
2020-04-24 12:38:39	mpickering	`lookupOne` sorry
2020-04-24 12:38:54	mpickering	so I assumed the estimate should be for how long it should take to rebuild the key `lookupOne` is called on
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2020-04-24 12:49:36	wz1000	mpickering: ok, so we only need to lookup the result in buildOne, since everything calls that eventually?
2020-04-24 12:49:51	mpickering	I think so
2020-04-24 12:50:15	mpickering	I have just been modifying the same functions so had to think about similar things
2020-04-24 12:50:28	mpickering	and encounted some shake internal errors because of following your logic
2020-04-24 12:56:02	wz1000	mpickering: do we really need to do a lookup? buildOne is passed a "Maybe Result"
2020-04-24 12:56:23	wz1000	isn't that the one we want?
2020-04-24 12:56:26	mpickering	Is that the right `Maybe Result`? I don't think so
2020-04-24 12:56:40	mpickering	I would have to look where it's called from
2020-04-24 12:57:38	wz1000	mpickering: I think so. in lookupOne, the result is looked up using getKeyValueFromId database i
2020-04-24 12:57:49	wz1000	and then the same i is passed to buildOne
2020-04-24 13:00:21	mpickering	There is probably some way to verify this by checking the type of the `Value` in the result is the right one
2020-04-24 13:03:54	wz1000	I'm pretty sure this is correct
2020-04-24 13:03:56	wz1000	https://github.com/ndmitchell/shake/pull/751/commits/e60c0090a40f78687743d135ec33272d9b2f868f
2020-04-24 13:04:25	wz1000	since in lookupOne there is: Just (_, s) <- liftIO $ getKeyValueFromId database i
2020-04-24 13:04:37	wz1000	and then
2020-04-24 13:04:41	wz1000	                    Loaded r -> buildOne global stack database i k (Just r) `fromLater` continue                    Missing -> buildOne global stack database i k Nothing `fromLater` continue
2020-04-24 13:05:15	wz1000	so it looks up the same i that it passes to buildOne
2020-04-24 13:05:25	mpickering	If that's the only call to buildOne
2020-04-24 13:05:27	mpickering	then seems correct
2020-04-24 13:05:37	mpickering	I don't understand the difference between Loaded and Ready tbh
2020-04-24 13:06:29	wz1000	I thnink Ready means it is up to date?
2020-04-24 13:07:19	wz1000	yeah, buildOne is only called from lookupOne
2020-04-24 13:07:31	mpickering	Well what does `Loaded` mean then?
2020-04-24 13:07:57	wz1000	that it was in the database, but might not be up to date?
2020-04-24 13:08:00	mpickering	It seems like `Ready` but storing a ByteString though
2020-04-24 13:09:24	mpickering	hover performance now between 0.4 and 0.5
2020-04-24 13:09:33	mpickering	but that is also with your scheduling patch
2020-04-24 13:09:54	mpickering	(not the new one)
2020-04-24 13:10:06	wz1000	since in lookupOne it only calls buildOne if its Loaded or Missing, and simply returns the value on Ready
2020-04-24 13:10:42	wz1000	what was it before?
2020-04-24 13:10:58	mpickering	I am not sure if this is also because GHC has a lot less include dirs
2020-04-24 13:12:25	mpickering	I wonder if the overhead is finally looking something up in a very long list
2020-04-24 13:12:38	mpickering	Need to build with 8.10 though to work this one out
2020-04-24 13:13:12	wz1000	whats in 8.10?
2020-04-24 13:13:26	mpickering	Support for eventlog time profiling
2020-04-24 13:13:33	mpickering	so you can isolate part of the time profile
2020-04-24 13:13:51	mpickering	very useful for things like this where hover takes quite little time compared to init
2020-04-24 13:14:33	wz1000	nice. I'm going to bother you about this
2020-04-24 13:14:52	wz1000	I have to present some haskell dynamic analysis/profiling tools on monday
2020-04-24 13:15:00	wz1000	for college
2020-04-24 13:17:04	mpickering	ok :) 
2020-04-24 13:20:32	wz1000	what do you know, correct code has cleaner diffs... the diff for Development/Shake/Internal/Core/Build.hs is down from 23 lines to 5 lines
2020-04-24 13:23:22	wz1000	mpickering: will your multi-rebase pick up different hie.yamls? say for submodules as so on?
2020-04-24 13:23:35	mpickering	yeah
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2020-04-24 14:52:02	mpickering	ok seems like I have stale information working
2020-04-24 14:54:25	mpickering	just need to test in editor but looks good on CLI
2020-04-24 15:01:14	mpickering	Anyone wanting to try
2020-04-24 15:01:16	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/tree/wip/use-stale-fast
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2020-04-24 15:01:47	mpickering	This branch of shake https://github.com/mpickering/shake/tree/stale-fast
2020-04-24 15:04:41	mpickering	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U60wtJecYZU&feature=youtu.be
2020-04-24 15:07:01	hexagoxel	I hope I am not too off-topic with this.. I am trying to compile ghc-exactprint via haskell.nix, and run into the ghc is broken/terminfo problem (https://github.com/input-output-hk/haskell.nix/issues/313). Is `reinstallableLibGhc = true;` still the recommended fix for that? It seems to force a rebuild of everything again, uncached :(
2020-04-24 15:08:01	mpickering	Not heard of this problem too much hexagoxel 
2020-04-24 15:14:11	michaelpj	hexagoxel: perhaps you're looking for #haskell.nix ?
2020-04-24 15:14:51	hexagoxel	thanks, more channels :D
2020-04-24 15:24:53	wz1000	mpickering: congratulations
2020-04-24 15:25:01	wz1000	are you using it for hover also?
2020-04-24 15:31:03	mpickering	yeah I hooked it into hover and completions
2020-04-24 15:33:39	mpickering	Could do it for goto definition as well
2020-04-24 15:47:27	wz1000	mpickering: how do you know it works? some of the delays in your video seem pretty long
2020-04-24 15:47:51	wz1000	btw you can press C-space to trigger a completion
2020-04-24 16:06:03	mpickering	Yeah I implemented it?
2020-04-24 16:06:39	mpickering	I think the delays are not to do with how fast hover is to resolve
2020-04-24 16:06:47	mpickering	it is very fast in my profile
2020-04-24 16:07:34	wz1000	i mean the completion delays - it still seems to be showing up after the diagnostic
2020-04-24 16:09:21	mpickering	Not all of them
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2020-04-24 16:20:18	mpickering	wz1000: Testing completions is harder than hover because completions interact badly with document modifications
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2020-04-24 16:30:03	wz1000	mpickering: but it should still work no?
2020-04-24 16:32:30	mpickering	I am wondering if when you type the completions get killed by the async exception
2020-04-24 16:32:56	wz1000	ah, that
2020-04-24 16:33:50	wz1000	you could catch all exceptions while completing to test it out
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2020-04-24 16:37:31	mpickering	Probably `mask` is fine
2020-04-24 16:39:12	wz1000	uninterruptible?
2020-04-24 16:40:09	wz1000	it probably reads mvars or something so it could get killed there inside a mask
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2020-04-24 17:29:07	mpickering	wz1000: Seems to make some different but this is not very scientific
2020-04-24 17:42:55	wz1000	mpickering: catching exceptions and logging then would let you know 
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2020-04-24 20:26:40	mpickering	wz1000: Do Josh's emails answer the question?
2020-04-24 20:26:48	mpickering	He seems just to be saying you write a separate interface file?
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2020-04-24 21:48:17	alanz_	hexagoxel, I have no idea
2020-04-24 21:54:55	hexagoxel	alanz_: that's alright. While it needs a bit of rebuilding that feels like it should not be necessary, the workaround _does_ work so I am happy. And we'll push stuff to our cachix cache so it won't even hurt in practice.
2020-04-24 22:00:05	wz1000	mpickering: they do. I think he's saying we can just change the UserData field of the BinHandle passed to the hie file serialization code, and maintain a separate symbol table for HieNames 
2020-04-24 22:00:18	wz1000	we can still share the symbol table for FastStrings
2020-04-24 22:00:26	wz1000	which seems reasonable for now
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2020-04-24 23:46:19	mpickering	alanz_: If I clean up this stale info patch will you add a submodule on shake as well to hls?
2020-04-24 23:46:37	mpickering	Maybe I will make a patch to hls for it..
2020-04-24 23:47:10	alanz_	mpickering, which one?
2020-04-24 23:47:33	alanz_	and happy to do submodules on hls, basically whatever it takes
2020-04-24 23:47:48	alanz_	completely accustomed to working with stuff that lags
2020-04-24 23:47:59	mpickering	ok it is the stuff we were talking about yesterday
2020-04-24 23:48:09	mpickering	using stale info for hover rather than recomputing it
2020-04-24 23:49:27	alanz_	very happy to do that
2020-04-24 23:49:29	alanz_	:)
2020-04-24 23:49:53	alanz_	a PR on hls would be ideal, else give enough info in an issue or some such
2020-04-24 23:50:16	alanz_	I may only get to it tomorrow, but if anyone else wants to pick it up, feel free
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2020-04-25 00:16:23	wz1000	mpickering: add my estimate fixing commit to your stale info branch too
2020-04-25 00:19:40	mpickering	I was thinking about that patch again
2020-04-25 00:19:52	mpickering	say you have action A which depends on lots of shorts Bs
2020-04-25 00:19:57	mpickering	then the duration of A will be say 1s
2020-04-25 00:20:02	mpickering	all the Bs are 0.05s
2020-04-25 00:20:26	mpickering	What would be best to do would be to fork A and all it's children onto the same core?
2020-04-25 00:20:38	mpickering	what happens with your patch is that A will get forked, even if doesn't take much time on its own
2020-04-25 00:20:44	mpickering	and then all Bs will be forked onto 1
2020-04-25 00:20:51	wz1000	is the duration cumulative?
2020-04-25 00:21:08	wz1000	it includes the dependencies?
2020-04-25 00:21:26	mpickering	I'm not sure
2020-04-25 00:21:44	mpickering	That's the way it looked from some numbers I saw before
2020-04-25 00:21:50	wz1000	if it does, we can subtract the sum of the dependency times
2020-04-25 00:22:25	mpickering	should probably add a new field to store that?
2020-04-25 00:22:39	wz1000	hmm
2020-04-25 00:22:47	wz1000	lets confirm this behaviour first
2020-04-25 00:22:53	mpickering	also need to look at the eventlog for the new patch
2020-04-25 00:28:23	wz1000	I started using hls and made a lot of progress on my long-promised haskell-lsp patch thanks to it
2020-04-25 00:28:26	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-lsp/commit/3fc6322ec037b276003c261959e793a043de62f5
2020-04-25 00:29:42	mpickering	Looks like a decent amount of effort
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2020-04-25 00:31:09	wz1000	some tiny details to still take care off
2020-04-25 00:31:14	wz1000	and then rewrite lsp-test
2020-04-25 00:31:30	wz1000	also I need to incorporate 64 commits that it lags behind master
2020-04-25 00:32:52	wz1000	but all the messages in one place, with lots of type safety; https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-lsp/blob/singleton-methods/haskell-lsp-types/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Types/Message.hs#L120
2020-04-25 00:33:29	wz1000	and the mapping to the message payload: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-lsp/blob/singleton-methods/haskell-lsp-types/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Types/Types.hs#L47
2020-04-25 00:33:57	wz1000	this makes it a lot easier to manage since everything is in one place and can easily be cross referenced with the LSP spec
2020-04-25 00:34:41	wz1000	and ghc will scream at you if you get anything wrong
2020-04-25 00:40:48	mpickering	can you squash this shake commit pls?
2020-04-25 00:42:56	wz1000	mpickering: squash it into what?
2020-04-25 00:43:05	wz1000	the whole thing into one?
2020-04-25 00:43:13	wz1000	or just the last two?
2020-04-25 00:44:09	mpickering	Into one?
2020-04-25 00:45:18	mpickering	tell me when you push to your branch then I will rebase my patch onto yours
2020-04-25 00:50:10	wz1000	mpickering: done
2020-04-25 00:50:41	wz1000	might be easier to cherry-pick your commits onto mine
2020-04-25 00:52:57	mpickering	I pushed now
2020-04-25 00:53:09	mpickering	So what did you want me to verify?
2020-04-25 00:53:14	mpickering	that the `mask_` was doing something?
2020-04-25 00:55:27	wz1000	yeah
2020-04-25 00:55:56	mpickering	So I just call `catch` and check if it catches anything?
2020-04-25 00:56:19	wz1000	thats the idea
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2020-04-25 01:01:06	mpickering	I think a problem with my current patch is that stale values will never get evicted
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2020-04-25 01:01:23	mpickering	need to come up with some way of triggering the rebuild without blocking
2020-04-25 01:02:01	wz1000	why do you want to evict them?
2020-04-25 01:02:34	wz1000	surely they'll be gc'd when there's a "new" stale value?
2020-04-25 01:02:55	mpickering	yeah but there will only be a new stale value if you ever call `use` on the key
2020-04-25 01:04:17	mpickering	perhaps I can do `forkIO $ runActionSync $ use k`
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2020-04-25 01:05:46	wz1000	mpickering: look at this: https://github.com/wz1000/shake/blob/no-scheduler/src/Development/Shake/Internal/Core/Build.hs#L225
2020-04-25 01:06:02	wz1000	    ,localDiscount :: !Seconds -- ^ Time spend building dependencies (may be negative for parallel)
2020-04-25 01:06:24	mpickering	ah cool
2020-04-25 01:06:32	mpickering	thanks for checking
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2020-04-25 01:06:54	wz1000	I don't understand how it may be negative
2020-04-25 01:07:08	mpickering	If it's the sum of all deps
2020-04-25 01:07:14	mpickering	and there are k threads
2020-04-25 01:07:22	mpickering	Then they may be busy all the time
2020-04-25 01:07:26	mpickering	so the sum is less than the toal time
2020-04-25 01:13:46	mpickering	I wonder if the debouncer is not helping matters
2020-04-25 01:14:11	wz1000	there is a debouncer?
2020-04-25 01:14:33	wz1000	I would assume there is either cancelation or debouncing?
2020-04-25 01:15:57	mpickering	ah the debouncer seems to only be relevant for diagnostics
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2020-04-25 01:42:06	fendor	mpickering, I am just going to sqash everything in https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/166. I messed up 
2020-04-25 01:46:29	mpickering	sure
2020-04-25 01:46:33	mpickering	I am writing some very hacky code
2020-04-25 01:46:59	mpickering	Think it should work though
2020-04-25 01:48:37	mpickering	Ah ha wz1000 I also observed the completions being killing midway through
2020-04-25 01:58:52	mpickering	wz1000: This commit badly breaks things - https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/commit/3dde18f06ea18731bb3befa0d81af9a6b894d917
2020-04-25 02:01:55	mpickering	It really does not like this call to `forkIO` https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/commit/3dde18f06ea18731bb3befa0d81af9a6b894d917#diff-9f3c72df87c6e40a0ab15d33001d156cR487
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2020-04-25 02:23:37	mpickering	I wonder why calling `runAction` inside forkIO does bad things
2020-04-25 02:26:27	mpickering	perhaps what is right to do is to make a chan to send delayed actions to
2020-04-25 02:26:34	mpickering	which are run when there is nothing else to do
2020-04-25 02:27:06	mpickering	but I don't get why calling `runAction` inside forkIO causes so many errors
2020-04-25 02:38:43	mpickering	got it to work, nice
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2020-04-25 12:35:06	wz1000	mpickering: what was the issue?
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2020-04-25 13:08:59	mpickering	Not sure but shakeRun already calls fork inside it so I fixed it by just calling that 
2020-04-25 13:18:36	mpickering	I decided I need to instrument ghcide some more to work out why completions are sometimes slow
2020-04-25 13:19:49	mpickering	Also I want to make the debugging output more useful
2020-04-25 13:19:59	mpickering	fendor may appreciate this one
2020-04-25 13:25:33	fendor	yes please! 
2020-04-25 13:59:50	mpickering	this is turning into a game again of how many commits I can get my branch of ghcide ahead of master
2020-04-25 13:59:54	mpickering	long way to go yet
2020-04-25 14:18:44	mpickering	The editor seems to request CodeLens very often
2020-04-25 14:18:49	mpickering	anyone know the condition for it being triggered?
2020-04-25 14:20:17	mpickering	For example, the only reason a module gets typechecked when a file gets opened is because CodeLens invokes Typecheck
2020-04-25 14:37:02	wz1000	does ghcide have codelens?
2020-04-25 14:38:23	wz1000	codelens should be requested every time the file is changed?
2020-04-25 14:39:34	wz1000	shouldn't it get typechecked to provide diagnostics?
2020-04-25 14:40:30	wz1000	I've been using an editor that doesn't support CodeLens, and sometimes I don't get diagnostics even though hover etc. still work
2020-04-25 14:40:36	wz1000	I wonder if this is the reason
2020-04-25 14:53:53	mpickering	typecheck should be triggered by hover 
2020-04-25 14:54:01	mpickering	so you should still get diagnostics
2020-04-25 14:54:46	mpickering	Can someone look at my branch and tell me which bits of the patch I need to port to hls?
2020-04-25 14:55:54	mpickering	Perhaps you are able to give it a review Zubin, https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/tree/wip/use-stale-fast
2020-04-25 14:56:18	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/commit/19f4b95267e17b1358670bbcde89617bd0a6696b
2020-04-25 14:58:34	wz1000	mpickering: shouldn't a document change trigger a typecheck?
2020-04-25 14:59:05	wz1000	because I only hover when I want to know the type of something
2020-04-25 14:59:28	wz1000	and it sucks that i don't get diagnostics until then
2020-04-25 15:00:06	mpickering	One sec I will attempt to fix it
2020-04-25 15:03:07	wz1000	I don't think hls supports completions yet
2020-04-25 15:07:20	wz1000	definition and hover should just work if you update the subproject commit
2020-04-25 15:10:17	mpickering	Can you test if my latest commit fixes your issue?
2020-04-25 15:10:24	mpickering	b69be9c81b9b1d53cabe61ce11cc28f04d5c563d
2020-04-25 15:16:55	mpickering	Seems to work for me if I comment out the code lens plugin
2020-04-25 15:19:45	alanz_	mpickering, in hie we had three classes of ways to access the stored state: 1. Instant, provide a default, consult cached and return default if nothing cached. Used for hover etc. 2. Deferred, wait for the artifact to be ready, then run it, or cancel if the artifact is never ready. Basically ghcide, I guess. And 3. produce the artifact
2020-04-25 15:20:02	alanz_	so in the new model we have 2/3, we need 1.
2020-04-25 15:20:15	mpickering	What do you do for completions?
2020-04-25 15:20:20	mpickering	It is working now
2020-04-25 15:20:20	wz1000	1
2020-04-25 15:20:40	mpickering	currently it blocks if the info is not available
2020-04-25 15:20:43	mpickering	but can be changed by one line
2020-04-25 15:20:46	alanz_	and we use 1 for anything that might otherwise block the ui
2020-04-25 15:21:13	mpickering	ok well someone else can refine this, I implemented the hard parts
2020-04-25 15:21:23	alanz_	:+1:
2020-04-25 15:21:35	alanz_	spread the knowledge :)
2020-04-25 15:22:26	mpickering	the patch is not very big I was just asking Zubin about what needs to happen to make a PR to hls
2020-04-25 15:24:56	wz1000	building your branch of ghcide...
2020-04-25 15:25:52	wz1000	I think updating the submodule should be enough for hover and definitoin
2020-04-25 15:26:12	wz1000	getTypeDefinition would need to be hooked in
2020-04-25 15:28:55	alanz_	in my view we should get to the point where features like getTypeDef are exposed via HLS, i.e. move the info provision into hls via plugins, and let ghcide just be the engine to produce artifacts
2020-04-25 15:29:28	alanz_	but I think that is a long term goal, and may evolve over time as we get a better sense of what is being done, and why
2020-04-25 15:30:57	alanz_	mpickering, your wip/use-state-fast branch is off ghcide master
2020-04-25 15:31:07	alanz_	so orthogonal to the multi stuff
2020-04-25 15:31:25	alanz_	they should compose though, because multi is all in exe/Main.hs?
2020-04-25 15:34:08	mpickering	alanz_: It is based on the multi branch
2020-04-25 15:34:15	mpickering	See c5e0c5f46db2d74b919dc6b881fef881ee8154fb
2020-04-25 15:34:24	alanz_	great
2020-04-25 15:34:42	mpickering	The first two commits are adding cabal.project for the shake dependency
2020-04-25 15:34:47	mpickering	and then there is the stale info stuff
2020-04-25 15:34:51	alanz_	so it includes a rebase of multi.
2020-04-25 15:34:53	mpickering	then some improvements to the logging
2020-04-25 15:34:59	alanz_	perfect
2020-04-25 15:35:15	mpickering	yeah I rebased it over Pepe's branch again
2020-04-25 15:35:21	alanz_	Does it need more work, or can I bring it over to hls?
2020-04-25 15:35:21	mpickering	and also my goto type definition
2020-04-25 15:35:30	mpickering	No it works as far as I can see
2020-04-25 15:35:36	alanz_	awesome
2020-04-25 15:35:50	mpickering	There is a potential issue with using stale info for definition as it doesn't apply the position mapping
2020-04-25 15:36:02	alanz_	given I am still in the exploratory phase of progress reporting
2020-04-25 15:36:05	mpickering	which someone should fix but not a priority for me
2020-04-25 15:36:11	alanz_	ok
2020-04-25 15:38:24	wz1000	should this cradle work? cradle: {cabal:component:"haskell-lsp"}
2020-04-25 15:38:39	mpickering	yeah
2020-04-25 15:38:42	mpickering	does it not?
2020-04-25 15:38:50	wz1000	ghcide: AesonException "Error in $.cradle: Unknown cradle type: fromList [(\"cabal:component:\\\"haskell-lsp\\\"\",Null)]"
2020-04-25 15:39:04	fendor	I think cradle: {cabal: { component:"haskell-lsp"}}
2020-04-25 15:39:18	fendor	does that make a difference in yaml?
2020-04-25 15:39:43	mpickering	tbh the yaml syntax still baffles me
2020-04-25 15:39:47	mpickering	here is something which does work
2020-04-25 15:39:51	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/j1If7vW9/
2020-04-25 15:40:02	mpickering	alanz_: So should I take my hands off this branch for now?
2020-04-25 15:40:04	fendor	yeah newlines help immensely
2020-04-25 15:40:16	wz1000	ghcide: AesonException "Error in $.cradle: Not a valid Configuration type, following keys are allowed: component"
2020-04-25 15:40:32	alanz_	mpickering, I am happy for you to continue, and let me know when you are done
2020-04-25 15:40:35	wz1000	with cradle: {cabal: { component:"haskell-lsp"}}
2020-04-25 15:41:11	alanz_	I am messing around with progress, and about to do some personal admin stuff
2020-04-25 15:42:21	fendor	This works for me: cradle: { cabal: { component: "lib:fprog" }}
2020-04-25 15:42:29	fendor	maybe a space between `comonent:` and the string?
2020-04-25 15:42:48	fendor	mpickering, I think something broke the CI of hie-bios
2020-04-25 15:42:51	fendor	investigating
2020-04-25 15:43:01	alanz_	I always edit those things in something that gives syntax highlighting and error reports
2020-04-25 15:43:10	alanz_	(emacs yaml-mode)
2020-04-25 15:43:26	alanz_	else I trip up all the time. And I think a space after a : is needed
2020-04-25 15:43:32	alanz_	but not before. Yay.
2020-04-25 15:44:25	wz1000	mpickering: perfect, you fixed it
2020-04-25 15:44:32	wz1000	the diagnostics
2020-04-25 15:46:17	mpickering	great
2020-04-25 15:47:40	mpickering	So will you review the stale info patch for me :) ?
2020-04-25 15:48:08	wz1000	I did take a look, and it all seems reasonable
2020-04-25 15:48:12	mpickering	alanz_: I think I am finished for now really
2020-04-25 15:48:18	wz1000	seems to behave well also
2020-04-25 15:48:47	wz1000	completion is pretty fast
2020-04-25 15:49:08	mpickering	I am not that happy with the shake part
2020-04-25 15:49:22	mpickering	but perhaps it is not so bad
2020-04-25 15:49:59	wz1000	the value stuff?
2020-04-25 15:50:14	wz1000	problem is that I'm really not that familiar with shake/ghcide codebases
2020-04-25 15:50:46	mpickering	The issue is, I need someone to review my patches though 
2020-04-25 15:51:01	mpickering	and making PRs to the ghcide repo is not a reliable way of making that happen
2020-04-25 15:51:22	mpickering	yeah the stuff to do with values because you will end up retaining a reference to a lot of stuff
2020-04-25 15:51:32	mpickering	and I still don't understand what this `BS_Store` stuff is
2020-04-25 15:51:35	wz1000	I will go through it once more, and try to understand it properly
2020-04-25 15:51:38	wz1000	neither do I
2020-04-25 15:52:01	mpickering	My understanding is that `reset` resets all the keys in the database
2020-04-25 15:52:17	mpickering	so that if you lookup any of them you find a `Loaded` rather than `Ready` and have to do some recomputation
2020-04-25 15:52:41	wz1000	why don't you rnf the stale value? to not change the semantics from earlier?
2020-04-25 15:53:32	mpickering	If it's not used then seems pointless to force it
2020-04-25 15:53:44	mpickering	I imagine it will already be forced though in general
2020-04-25 15:54:16	mpickering	It would be nicer with some smart constructors as well
2020-04-25 15:54:26	mpickering	`running = Running Nothing`
2020-04-25 15:55:32	fendor	hm, CI seems fine on my fork 
2020-04-25 15:59:50	mpickering	I just discovered there is this hashmap already in ghcide
2020-04-25 15:59:53	mpickering	called `Values`
2020-04-25 16:00:37	mpickering	I can probably look in that rather than modify shake at all
2020-04-25 16:02:02	wz1000	nice
2020-04-25 16:06:49	mpickering	yeah that works nice
2020-04-25 16:10:46	mpickering	not having to patch shake is good
2020-04-25 16:18:33	mpickering	alanz_: Going to force push once I have checked all the commits build
2020-04-25 16:24:44	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/tree/wip/use-stale-fast
2020-04-25 16:25:00	mpickering	Hands off now! 
2020-04-25 16:32:32	wz1000	you removed the new scheduler too?
2020-04-25 16:39:29	mpickering	oh right, it's less necessary now
2020-04-25 16:39:43	mpickering	perhaps it is still good though
2020-04-25 16:45:55	mpickering	I was accidently testing with `-j1` which may explain some of the pauses when doing completions that we saw in the video
2020-04-25 16:47:03	mpickering	I will try with your patch now with -j0
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2020-04-25 16:50:54	alanz_	mpickering, I am back now, is the branch ready for experimentation?
2020-04-25 16:52:03	mpickering	indeed seems to be working well
2020-04-25 16:52:10	mpickering	just checking how much of a difference zubin's patch makes
2020-04-25 16:52:53	mpickering	yeah his patch would still be good imo
2020-04-25 16:53:14	mpickering	` wip/use-stale-fast` is up to date then
2020-04-25 16:53:40	mpickering	and you can optionally use https://github.com/wz1000/shake/tree/no-scheduler as well if you want it to be slightly faster
2020-04-25 17:05:41	alanz_	ok
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2020-04-25 18:02:41	 *	mpickering is having ideas
2020-04-25 18:05:48	fendor	alanz_, wasnt there a way to get the diff between two texts and extracting a [TextEdit] out of it?
2020-04-25 18:06:32	fendor	diffText, right?
2020-04-25 18:07:04	alanz_	fendor, yes, you can see it in hie somewhere
2020-04-25 18:07:13	fendor	PluginUtils
2020-04-25 18:07:19	alanz_	search for imports with Diff in it somewhere
2020-04-25 18:07:23	fendor	I am trying to utilise the new ormolu api to format only a range
2020-04-25 18:07:57	alanz_	what does the api give back normally?
2020-04-25 18:09:05	fendor	which one ormolu?
2020-04-25 18:09:16	fendor	ormolu gives me a text where only the given region has been formatted
2020-04-25 18:09:16	alanz_	fendor, the HsImport plugin does a small diff thing too
2020-04-25 18:09:32	fendor	yeah, it uses diffText from PluginUtils
2020-04-25 18:09:34	alanz_	the whole file?
2020-04-25 18:09:39	fendor	yeah
2020-04-25 18:09:54	alanz_	oops. 
2020-04-25 18:10:07	alanz_	I think we use the same technique for hlint, a whole file diff
2020-04-25 18:10:21	fendor	why is that an oops? Seems fine to me
2020-04-25 18:10:33	alanz_	and if you follow the implementation, it ends up producing a diff from two text strings, having read in the files
2020-04-25 18:10:46	alanz_	well, ideally you want to only get the changed region
2020-04-25 18:11:09	alanz_	but I guess it has to parse the whole file to be sure of where to format
2020-04-25 18:11:14	fendor	yeah, but if the tools dont give us that
2020-04-25 18:11:29	fendor	yes, I think it can do some smart stuff with that
2020-04-25 18:11:47	alanz_	ok.  The hlint plugin is another example
2020-04-25 18:11:57	fendor	yeah, they all use makeDiffResult
2020-04-25 18:12:12	fendor	which works in IdeM
2020-04-25 18:12:37	fendor	are these capabilities somewhere accessible
2020-04-25 18:12:38	fendor	?
2020-04-25 18:12:48	alanz_	which capabilities?
2020-04-25 18:13:02	alanz_	and are you talking about it hls?
2020-04-25 18:13:08	alanz_	they are
2020-04-25 18:13:12	fendor	`clientSupportsDocumentChanges`
2020-04-25 18:13:15	fendor	yes, in hls
2020-04-25 18:13:29	fendor	I need to access this `clientsupportsDocumentChanges` cabapility
2020-04-25 18:13:35	fendor	*capability
2020-04-25 18:14:18	alanz_	it is in the LspFuncs thing
2020-04-25 18:14:26	fendor	greatm thanks!
2020-04-25 18:14:33	fendor	Porting diffText over :)
2020-04-25 18:15:34	alanz_	cool
2020-04-25 18:20:53	alanz_	fendor, did you see there was a new release of ormolu yesterday?
2020-04-25 18:21:04	fendor	alanz_, yeah, that is what I am updating to
2020-04-25 18:21:12	alanz_	great
2020-04-25 18:21:25	fendor	it should simplify the plugin
2020-04-25 18:27:12	alanz_	nice
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2020-04-25 19:56:38	mpickering	I think in ghcide we need a way to say "build this key after this action has returned"
2020-04-25 19:57:54	alanz_	isnt that a Rule?
2020-04-25 19:58:26	alanz_	my mental model is that Rules define the dependency graph, and actions take you from precondition to postcondition for the Rule
2020-04-25 19:58:32	alanz_	i.e. like a makefile
2020-04-25 19:58:32	mpickering	No because you don't want to block the thing returning whilst waiting for this thing to happen
2020-04-25 19:59:00	mpickering	If you look at how `useWithStaleFast` is implemented this is basically what happens
2020-04-25 19:59:23	alanz_	ok, so it is a scheduling thing like what we were discussing yesterday. 
2020-04-25 19:59:25	mpickering	the fast cache is consulted, returned and a thread is forked to actually compute the rule in case it's changed
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2020-04-25 19:59:42	mpickering	Shake has this thing already called `runAfter` but you can only put `IO ()` actions in there
2020-04-25 20:00:19	alanz_	ok. I have not immersed myself enough into Shake yet to be able to contribute to this discussion
2020-04-25 20:00:28	mpickering	yeah I will try generalising it now
2020-04-25 20:02:12	mpickering	yeah I think this should work
2020-04-25 20:02:44	mpickering	I was also thinking how to implement it so that if A depends on B and B is recompiled then it triggers A to be typechecked again
2020-04-25 20:02:47	mpickering	that would save me a lot of time
2020-04-25 20:04:04	alanz_	yes, that would be helpful.
2020-04-25 20:04:35	alanz_	but we should be able to capture that in the shake graph?
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2020-04-25 20:13:58	fendor	alanz_, the codelens thing with hie-bios wont be easily possible right now, since ComponentOptions are not accessible from the shake graph right now, afaict
2020-04-25 20:15:43	mpickering	alanz_: How?
2020-04-25 20:15:59	mpickering	I have some ideas of how to implement it but not sure which is best
2020-04-25 20:21:34	alanz_	fendor, that is fine, it is just an idea
2020-04-25 20:21:50	alanz_	we can do it when it makes sense
2020-04-25 20:22:07	fendor	It does make sense, it is just no low hanging fruit :)
2020-04-25 20:22:23	alanz_	mpickering, I have no idea about the graph thing. But given it is a graph, and based on rules, it should be possible
2020-04-25 20:22:39	alanz_	it *does* seem to come back to my desire to have a module graph though
2020-04-25 20:23:08	alanz_	because that then allows us to build the graph.
2020-04-25 20:27:29	alanz_	I love hole-based programming using hls
2020-04-25 20:27:51	alanz_	runAction ideState $ getFileContents fp
2020-04-25 20:28:00	alanz_	runAction _ ideState $ getFileContents fp
2020-04-25 20:28:07	alanz_	runAction fp ideState $ getFileContents fp
2020-04-25 20:28:13	alanz_	runAction (_ fp) ideState $ getFileContents fp
2020-04-25 20:28:17	alanz_	runAction (fromNormalizedFilePath fp) ideState $ getFileContents fp
2020-04-25 20:28:36	alanz_	with instant feedback every step, and code actions for the last one
2020-04-25 20:29:24	alanz_	I guess a better error message from the start might have helped though
2020-04-25 20:30:09	fendor	that is really cool! I ought to give this a try as well
2020-04-25 20:30:26	alanz_	I do it all the time. holes are your friends
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2020-04-25 20:51:04	fendor	alanz_, can #75 be merged? CI is "green", e.g. ghcide tests still fail
2020-04-25 20:51:36	mpickering	sounds like a rebase is in progress..
2020-04-25 20:55:24	mpickering	ok my idea worked nicely
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2020-04-25 21:51:07	mpickering	I have pushed to the branch again with a new cleaner approach which does require patching shake slightly. 
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2020-04-25 21:51:37	mpickering	alanz_: fendor let me know how you get on with it
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2020-04-25 21:59:47	alanz_	mpickering, ok, I am partway rebasing on your prior one, will take a look
2020-04-25 22:00:03	mpickering	a difficult rebase?
2020-04-25 22:00:03	alanz_	fendor, did you merge #75?
2020-04-25 22:00:08	mpickering	I didn't think I changed the interface very much
2020-04-25 22:00:08	alanz_	no, trivial
2020-04-25 22:00:21	mpickering	I have reverted some stuff now back to how it was
2020-04-25 22:00:25	fendor	alanz_, yes
2020-04-25 22:00:28	alanz_	but some interactions in hls because runAction is different
2020-04-25 22:00:29	mpickering	ie type of `getAtPoint` and so on
2020-04-25 22:00:40	alanz_	I started on it, then went shopping. Just got back
2020-04-25 22:00:49	mpickering	how was the shop?
2020-04-25 22:01:03	mpickering	I need to stop programming now, it's too addictive
2020-04-25 22:01:10	alanz_	fine. Walk in the sunshine, wait in a social distance q, empty bus back
2020-04-25 22:01:45	alanz_	mpickering, I tell people that instead of playing online strategy games, I do OSS coding
2020-04-25 22:01:57	mpickering	very true
2020-04-25 22:01:57	alanz_	its more addictive and fun :)
2020-04-25 22:02:19	mpickering	big open world sandbox game
2020-04-25 22:03:39	alanz_	exactly
2020-04-25 22:03:54	alanz_	its like minecraft, but what you build is actually useful
2020-04-25 22:05:05	fendor	and just like in minecraft, sometimes everything catches on fire
2020-04-25 22:05:12	mpickering	some of this patch is very subtle
2020-04-25 22:05:16	mpickering	so I will add some comments later
2020-04-25 22:05:43	mpickering	I think you are right about the module graph as well alanz_
2020-04-25 22:05:59	alanz_	ok. wip/use-stale-fast, still
2020-04-25 22:06:13	alanz_	mpickering, I am glad that you and I both want a module graph now :)
2020-04-25 22:06:42	alanz_	and all HaRe users will eventually get happy too
2020-04-25 22:06:56	alanz_	if there are any still.
2020-04-25 22:07:11	mpickering	lol
2020-04-25 22:07:16	mpickering	HaRe was too ambituous
2020-04-25 22:07:17	alanz_	But my yaks are backed up so far now I am not sure I will ever unwind them enough to get back to HaRe
2020-04-25 22:07:27	mpickering	the researchers should have started with hover 
2020-04-25 22:07:42	alanz_	well, it was done long before LSP was a thing
2020-04-25 22:08:55	alanz_	and rebase on your current branch was trivial for me again. That means the last three for me have bene trivial. Admittedly my changes on top are tiny, and in different areas
2020-04-25 22:09:24	mpickering	remember you need the shake submodule as well
2020-04-25 22:09:41	alanz_	do I ? what happens if I dont?
2020-04-25 22:09:49	mpickering	it won't build
2020-04-25 22:09:57	alanz_	and where can I see which one? 
2020-04-25 22:10:03	mpickering	It's in the cabal.project file
2020-04-25 22:10:09	alanz_	ok, thanks
2020-04-25 22:10:14	mpickering	assuming I added that
2020-04-25 22:10:39	alanz_	we already have private hie-bios and cabal-helper, may as well go all in
2020-04-25 22:11:11	alanz_	not that I can see?
2020-04-25 22:11:46	mpickering	force pushed now
2020-04-25 22:11:51	mpickering	I had some uncommitted changes as well
2020-04-25 22:12:01	alanz_	there is no cabal.project?
2020-04-25 22:12:46	mpickering	I just force pushed
2020-04-25 22:12:52	mpickering	a68273a3f8b30e1bc48eba6e7053163ca4e5bc47
2020-04-25 22:12:54	alanz_	and now I need to do some actual work
2020-04-25 22:13:00	alanz_	as I rebase on it
2020-04-25 22:13:40	alanz_	yes, that one
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2020-04-25 22:15:59	alanz_	have I mentioned that I love magit?
2020-04-25 22:18:36	alanz_	fatal: reference is not a tree: d5b7fc9bb3025b1d4d2ac9c48b588faf18dfce99
2020-04-25 22:18:47	alanz_	mpickering, have you pushed your shake branch?
2020-04-25 22:19:14	alanz_	oops, that is hie-bios. WTF.
2020-04-25 22:19:40	alanz_	fendor, have you force-pushed your hie-bios?
2020-04-25 22:20:02	mpickering	lol
2020-04-25 22:20:04	fendor	alanz_, uhm... I dont think so?
2020-04-25 22:20:07	alanz_	Have I mention that I hate rebases, and how they cause commit hashes to disappear
2020-04-25 22:20:25	mpickering	Use this one 87db34de1b10b03bb2c3d7f6bd3623bc1da96ba8
2020-04-25 22:20:29	alanz_	well, doing a cabal new-configure bombs with that
2020-04-25 22:20:30	mpickering	hie-bios commit
2020-04-25 22:20:35	alanz_	ok
2020-04-25 22:22:04	alanz_	that clones, thanks
2020-04-25 22:23:11	fendor	for me it works with current master :/ or are you building your ghcide fork?
2020-04-25 22:23:55	fendor	because I didnt fix the ghcide fork :/
2020-04-25 22:24:31	alanz_	fendor, I am working on my multi-rebase fork
2020-04-25 22:24:47	alanz_	which is bringing in the work mpickering et al have done recently
2020-04-25 22:24:50	fendor	yeah, sorry, didnt fix it there :/
2020-04-25 22:24:55	alanz_	np
2020-04-25 22:25:15	alanz_	its a wip branch on my machine, how could you have fixed it? :)
2020-04-25 22:26:27	fendor	I should have refrained from force-pushing 
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2020-04-25 22:27:46	alanz_	fendor, what I do if I force push a branch that somelse might care about, is I make a new branch from the one before the rebase, and push that
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2020-04-25 22:28:00	alanz_	if the commit still lives in *any* branch, it can be seen
2020-04-25 22:28:10	fendor	yeah, that makes sense. I will remember that from now on!
2020-04-25 22:28:15	alanz_	then eventually you have to go through and kill them
2020-04-25 22:28:31	alanz_	you will see multiple branches ending with dates on my repos. Those are them
2020-04-25 22:30:26	alanz_	we use mercurial at work, it automatically keeps the original commit visible if you rebase. Makes *such* a differnece
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2020-04-25 22:50:43	mpickering	I can see how to implement module graph as well alanz_ 
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2020-04-25 22:51:59	alanz_	nice.
2020-04-25 22:52:25	alanz_	I imagine it should fall out of the initial component config stuff
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2020-04-25 23:57:58	fendor	what do I do if interface files failed to load?
2020-04-26 00:06:20	mpickering	What is the error?
2020-04-26 00:06:23	mpickering	It should go away
2020-04-26 00:06:27	fendor	ok, it looks like I need to open both components lib:Cabal and lib:cabal-install-lib
2020-04-26 00:07:27	mpickering	fendor: There is a known bug that I need to fix
2020-04-26 00:07:43	fendor	https://gist.github.com/fendor/9fc8a6f6d40c67762990ffe2e678cacb
2020-04-26 00:07:47	mpickering	where you can get incompatible interface files
2020-04-26 00:08:14	mpickering	I need to make the hash also take into account DynFlags for all components I think
2020-04-26 00:08:31	mpickering	if this happens to me I just delete ~/.cache/ghcide and start again
2020-04-26 00:08:42	fendor	didnt fix it, afaict
2020-04-26 00:08:48	fendor	I deleted %TMP% on windows ;D 
2020-04-26 00:08:57	fendor	I am not sure if these are the same
2020-04-26 00:10:08	fendor	This happens, too https://gist.github.com/fendor/c850cf3e511d03e6c83cbd397b34b122
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2020-04-26 00:11:53	fendor	opening the Cabal component fixes it, so I suppose it makes sense what you say
2020-04-26 00:12:36	mpickering	From what I remember it was quite easy to fix but just required rearranging some stuff 
2020-04-26 00:12:42	mpickering	so patches welcome
2020-04-26 00:13:02	mpickering	It will be whatever XDG_CACHE_DIR is on windows, not sure what that is
2020-04-26 00:13:07	fendor	to exe/Main.hs?
2020-04-26 00:13:10	fendor	yeah, no clue either
2020-04-26 00:13:21	fendor	maybe somewhere in Local?
2020-04-26 00:13:31	fendor	I am going to figure it out
2020-04-26 00:13:56	mpickering	Yeah in exe/Main.hs
2020-04-26 00:14:00	alanz_	I just pushed mpickering's new branch to https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/73
2020-04-26 00:14:04	mpickering	there is a computation of  hash which is just the hash of the options for that component
2020-04-26 00:14:17	alanz_	I had to change exe/Main.hs for a different function from hieBios
2020-04-26 00:14:59	fendor	mpickering, ok, thanks! will try it to fix it
2020-04-26 00:15:06	mpickering	it also needs to take into account if other components are loaded into the same HscEnv
2020-04-26 00:15:10	mpickering	in some manner
2020-04-26 00:15:20	mpickering	fendor: This is something you should fix this sumer
2020-04-26 00:15:49	mpickering	These errors happen because GHC gets confused about packages being in the HPT and packages having the same unit-id
2020-04-26 00:15:49	alanz_	The cache dir is as per the table at the bottome of https://erlang-ls.github.io/internals/
2020-04-26 00:15:52	fendor	yeah, fair. That will hopefully simplify stuff
2020-04-26 00:16:00	alanz_	so c:/Users/USER/AppData/Local/
2020-04-26 00:16:19	mpickering	thanks alanz_ 
2020-04-26 00:16:47	fendor	alanz_, thanks! found it and deleted it
2020-04-26 00:17:02	alanz_	    (dflags', targets) <- addCmdOpts compRoot theOpts dflags
2020-04-26 00:17:02	alanz_	    -- (dflags', targets) <- addCmdOpts compRoot theOpts dflags
2020-04-26 00:17:22	alanz_	    (dflags', targets) <- addCmdOpts theOpts dflags
2020-04-26 00:17:34	alanz_	compRoot went away. is that correct?
2020-04-26 00:18:50	fendor	alanz_, yeah, that was only added during my PR
2020-04-26 00:19:02	fendor	so it is in line with hie-bios 0.4.0
2020-04-26 00:19:09	alanz_	ok, so expected/benign?
2020-04-26 00:19:21	alanz_	in terms of https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/73
2020-04-26 00:19:44	alanz_	using hie-bios at 87db34de1b10b03bb2c3d7f6bd3623bc1da96ba8
2020-04-26 00:20:00	mpickering	yeah
2020-04-26 00:20:18	alanz_	ok. So mpickering your current wip ghcide branch is not using that
2020-04-26 00:20:43	alanz_	i.e. that change I made is relative to your current wip/multi branch
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2020-04-26 00:32:00	mpickering	ghcide needs to be patched to account for fendor's latest PR
2020-04-26 00:33:18	mpickering	I was thinking about how to fix the timings on my branch whilst on my run
2020-04-26 00:33:24	mpickering	as you may notice that they are broken atm
2020-04-26 00:33:55	alanz_	timings?
2020-04-26 00:33:56	fendor	alanz_, true, you need to add the same line as  in hls exe/Main.hs https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/blob/master/exe/Main.hs#L507
2020-04-26 00:34:09	fendor	I've never seen timings in ghcide
2020-04-26 00:34:23	mpickering	like time taken for hover to return
2020-04-26 00:34:40	fendor	that is in the logs, right?
2020-04-26 00:34:48	mpickering	yeah
2020-04-26 00:34:59	mpickering	unlike a typical user, I typically have the debug output pane open ..
2020-04-26 00:35:31	alanz_	which debug pane? stderr?
2020-04-26 00:35:51	alanz_	fendor, thanks
2020-04-26 00:35:59	mpickering	It's called "Output" in vscode
2020-04-26 00:36:00	fendor	I do, too, but I was never really interested in the timings before :)
2020-04-26 00:36:08	alanz_	mpickering, gotcha
2020-04-26 00:36:25	mpickering	If you pass the --verbose flag and look in there
2020-04-26 00:36:27	alanz_	I use it a lot when using vscode too
2020-04-26 00:36:34	fendor	ok, I am missing the --verbose flag
2020-04-26 00:36:40	fendor	that is why I still dont see it
2020-04-26 00:36:41	mpickering	then you will see timings for actions 
2020-04-26 00:36:44	alanz_	and figure in general logging should go there instead of to a file
2020-04-26 00:36:47	alanz_	ie stderr
2020-04-26 00:52:34	mpickering	I am actually unsure how the duration stuff ever worked I need the master of async exceptions Zubin Duggal to guide me through it
2020-04-26 00:53:14	alanz_	fendor, where does makeDynFlagsAbsolute come from?
2020-04-26 00:53:23	fendor	alanz_, Environment
2020-04-26 00:53:27	fendor	HIE.Bios.Environment
2020-04-26 00:53:30	alanz_	thanks
2020-04-26 00:55:15	wz1000	I despise async exceptions...
2020-04-26 00:57:10	wz1000	which duration code?
2020-04-26 00:57:19	mpickering	If you want a puzzle Zubin the tell me how the duration code in shakeRun works
2020-04-26 00:57:26	mpickering	specifically how it interacts with `runAction`
2020-04-26 00:57:43	mpickering	which uses a race and barrier
2020-04-26 01:06:28	wz1000	custom control operators to deal with async exceptions. always a good sign
2020-04-26 01:12:37	wz1000	mpickering: what is the issue?
2020-04-26 01:13:09	wz1000	start a timer before running, stop it after
2020-04-26 01:13:25	wz1000	with a bunch of async exception bs in between
2020-04-26 01:13:50	wz1000	the signalBarrier gets written after the action is completed
2020-04-26 01:14:35	mpickering	Right but what happens if the barrier wins the race
2020-04-26 01:14:45	mpickering	Then then other action is cancelled
2020-04-26 01:15:04	mpickering	But the timer waiting for aThread still reports the correct time
2020-04-26 01:15:40	mpickering	But why does killing the action with race also kill aThread? That's the part I don't get
2020-04-26 01:15:55	mpickering	As the thing you are racing against is also waiting against aThread
2020-04-26 01:19:11	wz1000	if it kills aThread, that exception is caught by the try?
2020-04-26 01:20:14	wz1000	on catching it just reports the time
2020-04-26 01:20:30	wz1000	aThread doesn't die, but the action stops
2020-04-26 01:20:44	wz1000	and returns a exception which is caught in aThread
2020-04-26 01:22:25	wz1000	so race cancels the actions but doesn't kill the thread
2020-04-26 01:26:52	wz1000	withMVar :: MVar (IO ()) -> (IO () -> IO ()) -> IO (IO (), IO [a]) -> IO (IO [a])
2020-04-26 01:27:14	 *	wz1000 shudders
2020-04-26 01:28:37	wz1000	this is the type Haskell programmers have nightmares about
2020-04-26 01:29:18	fendor	true, servant types melt my brain. Well actually they immediately overload my parser
2020-04-26 01:30:52	fendor	*missing a but. *true, but
2020-04-26 01:32:05	wz1000	mpickering: I don't understand why it has to fork and wait for aThread to print the logMsg
2020-04-26 01:32:25	wz1000	can't it just do that at the end of aThread?
2020-04-26 01:32:35	wz1000	before returning
2020-04-26 01:36:32	wz1000	what is the problem you're trying to solve?
2020-04-26 01:36:54	mpickering	My point is that it doesn't kill aThread?
2020-04-26 01:37:09	mpickering	It kills a thread which is waiting for aThread to finish?
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2020-04-26 01:38:48	mpickering	I basically changed runWithAction to not use race and not kill the thread
2020-04-26 01:38:54	mpickering	And it broke the timing
2020-04-26 01:39:06	mpickering	It uses waitEither now
2020-04-26 01:39:15	mpickering	So both threads run to completion 
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2020-04-26 01:45:21	alanz_	mpickering, my stderr output log shows this kind of thing
2020-04-26 01:45:22	alanz_	2020-04-25 21:14:49.958627956 [ThreadId 5881] - Hover request at position 527:38 in file: /home/alanz/mysrc/github/alanz/haskell-language-server/exe/Main.hs
2020-04-26 01:45:22	alanz_	2020-04-25 21:14:49.959819362 [ThreadId 5881] - start shakeRun: Hover (abort time:0.00s)
2020-04-26 01:45:22	alanz_	2020-04-25 21:14:50.013152982 [ThreadId 5883] - finish shakeRun: Hover (took 0.05s, completed)
2020-04-26 01:45:34	alanz_	i.e includes timing. 
2020-04-26 01:45:44	alanz_	using your branch in hls
2020-04-26 01:49:03	mpickering	Yeah but the timing is wrong
2020-04-26 01:49:18	mpickering	I think anyway
2020-04-26 01:49:30	wz1000	there is too much stuff going on in this
2020-04-26 01:50:05	wz1000	`run` in shake also measures time
2020-04-26 01:51:53	mpickering	Also why do they use async
2020-04-26 01:52:05	mpickering	And then not use the value at all
2020-04-26 01:55:40	wz1000	so it seems like aThread can only be cancelled if you nest shakeRuns
2020-04-26 01:57:12	wz1000	or have multiple shakeRuns simultaneously
2020-04-26 01:57:25	mpickering	aThread will get cancelled the next time you run shakeRun I think?
2020-04-26 01:58:00	mpickering	I mean how can I even debug this 😆
2020-04-26 01:59:21	wz1000	so initially abort is newMVar $ return ()
2020-04-26 01:59:49	wz1000	so wouldn't this message be immediately called with a duration of zero?
2020-04-26 01:59:51	wz1000	              logPriority logger p $ T.pack $ "start shakeRun: " ++ herald ++ " (abort time:" ++ showDuration stopTime ++ ")"
2020-04-26 02:00:16	wz1000	and then called everytime you shakeRun?
2020-04-26 02:01:43	wz1000	git blames Pepe. Maybe you should ask him
2020-04-26 02:03:41	wz1000	also isn't cancelling supposed to be pretty much instant? only the cleanup code for aThread will run.. why does the time taken to cancel relevant?
2020-04-26 02:04:07	mpickering	I think it's time the thread ran for before it was cancelled?
2020-04-26 02:04:17	wz1000	I don't think so
2020-04-26 02:04:21	wz1000	its the cancellation action
2020-04-26 02:04:51	wz1000	at least thats what shakeRun puts in the MVar
2020-04-26 02:05:10	wz1000	and is passed in the next time shakeRun is called
2020-04-26 02:06:25	wz1000	the more I stare at this code the more the questions that arise
2020-04-26 02:06:45	mpickering	hence why I called in the experts
2020-04-26 02:10:49	 *	mpickering looks at the code again rather than from memory
2020-04-26 02:11:22	 *	alanz_ delegates to the experts. Is glad they exist
2020-04-26 02:13:05	mpickering	wz1000: You are right
2020-04-26 02:13:10	mpickering	why are we recording the duration the cancel takes
2020-04-26 02:14:06	mpickering	I suppose why not though
2020-04-26 02:14:19	wz1000	theres also a return ()
2020-04-26 02:14:45	wz1000	thats probably leftover from a modification
2020-04-26 02:15:46	wz1000	mpickering: what is your modification? If I can see how its breaking maybe i'll have a better idea of how it works
2020-04-26 02:16:07	mpickering	It's on the wip/use-stale-fast branch
2020-04-26 02:16:16	mpickering	I basically changed `race` to use `waitEither` instead
2020-04-26 02:16:41	mpickering	because now the actions return other actions to run after they are completed
2020-04-26 02:17:01	mpickering	so you can return a hover quickly
2020-04-26 02:17:11	mpickering	but say, we should recompute the hover information in case it changed
2020-04-26 02:18:15	mpickering	So I see this in the logs
2020-04-26 02:18:19	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Jmj0Be6G/
2020-04-26 02:18:28	mpickering	The Hover one is returned nearly instantly
2020-04-26 02:18:30	mpickering	that is the fast path
2020-04-26 02:18:35	mpickering	the DELAYED one is the slow path
2020-04-26 02:18:58	wz1000	lol I've been looking at your code the entire time
2020-04-26 02:19:56	mpickering	great code
2020-04-26 02:20:09	mpickering	I updated it again this evening
2020-04-26 02:20:17	mpickering	so did you pull?
2020-04-26 02:20:33	wz1000	yeah
2020-04-26 02:20:54	mpickering	so the change I made was to add the sequence_ as
2020-04-26 02:21:10	wz1000	why did you replace race with waitEither?
2020-04-26 02:21:16	wz1000	isn't it the same thing?
2020-04-26 02:22:49	mpickering	No, race kills the loser
2020-04-26 02:22:53	mpickering	waitEither doens't
2020-04-26 02:24:30	mpickering	it may be the time is right
2020-04-26 02:24:36	mpickering	I just broke it by using race again 
2020-04-26 02:24:54	wz1000	why not sequence_ as in aThread?
2020-04-26 02:25:06	wz1000	so it isn't killed by the race?
2020-04-26 02:25:50	wz1000	ah, because you don't want them to execute masked
2020-04-26 02:26:22	mpickering	you can't nest calls to shakeRun either
2020-04-26 02:26:28	mpickering	that is the main issue
2020-04-26 02:26:41	mpickering	so sticking them in the action you return means they happen after shakeRun is finished
2020-04-26 02:27:58	mpickering	ok if I change it back to race the time still reports as 0.35s
2020-04-26 02:28:25	mpickering	it just feels faster than that
2020-04-26 02:28:47	wz1000	why don't you add timing to the action itself and compare?
2020-04-26 02:30:10	mpickering	all it does is look a key up in a hashmap
2020-04-26 02:30:38	wz1000	so the rest is shake overhead?
2020-04-26 02:30:52	mpickering	I will record a short snippet of it working on GHC
2020-04-26 02:30:59	mpickering	and you can judge whether you think the pause is 0.3
2020-04-26 02:31:25	wz1000	mpickering: better idea would be to compare the timestamps of the hover request and response
2020-04-26 02:31:51	wz1000	vscode can dump this I believe
2020-04-26 02:33:17	wz1000	or haskell-lsp
2020-04-26 02:35:00	mpickering	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUi_VL6gJLo&feature=youtu.be
2020-04-26 02:35:17	mpickering	wrong video
2020-04-26 02:35:21	mpickering	uploaded an old one one sec
2020-04-26 02:36:01	mpickering	https://youtu.be/bO-y_A-pqOQ
2020-04-26 02:37:45	wz1000	looks pretty fast tbh
2020-04-26 02:40:04	mpickering	I will profile it, how about that
2020-04-26 02:40:10	mpickering	then we will see exactly what it is doing
2020-04-26 02:40:15	mpickering	a singular hover
2020-04-26 02:42:59	wz1000	haskell-lsp has an option to dump the logs of all communications with timestamps
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2020-04-26 02:46:12	wz1000	mpickering: just change this to a (Just filepath): https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/blob/master/src/Development/IDE/LSP/LanguageServer.hs#L117
2020-04-26 02:47:50	mpickering	thanks will try that after I do a quick profile
2020-04-26 02:47:51	mpickering	zoom zoom
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2020-04-26 02:57:59	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/yXw2AIWa/
2020-04-26 02:58:04	mpickering	This is what I see on the command line
2020-04-26 02:58:24	mpickering	Second hover time = 0.0s
2020-04-26 03:05:38	mpickering	I am also wondering why every call to shakeRun aborts the previous action
2020-04-26 03:06:09	mpickering	it's the wild west really
2020-04-26 03:09:45	mpickering	I need to get into the eventlog as well probably
2020-04-26 03:13:30	mpickering	Thanks wz1000 
2020-04-26 03:13:41	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/3MAOFMcv/
2020-04-26 03:13:54	mpickering	2020-04-25T21:42:32.314304485Z vs 2020-04-25T21:42:32.317909671Z
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2020-04-26 08:47:18	jchia_	I run HIE in vscode with the Haskell Language Server extension, exporting HIE_HOOGLE_DATABASE as a .hoo file I generated.
2020-04-26 08:47:29	jchia_	When hovering over something from base, e.g. 'Char' or 'pure', the popup has a Documentation and Source link.
2020-04-26 08:47:38	jchia_	When hovering over other things, e.g. Data.Vector.Storable.replicateM from vector, I only get the type signature, package name and fully-qualified name and there is no Documentation or Source link.
2020-04-26 08:47:49	jchia_	The appropriate "hoogle search" command for replicateM shows entries with haddock link, so I don't think it's a problem with my hoogle database.
2020-04-26 08:47:54	jchia_	Is this behavior expected?
2020-04-26 08:48:21	jchia_	The was no warning in vscode about missing hoogle database, either.
2020-04-26 08:49:26	jchia_	The hoogle database was generated with another project that I use just for generating local haddock and hoogle.
2020-04-26 08:49:42	jchia_	i.e. not the project being edited in vscode.
2020-04-26 08:55:48	jchia_	Actually, not only base works, but ghc-prim & text also work. So maybe it's libraries that ship with GHC that work, but not others.
2020-04-26 09:00:14	jchia_	Also, why are the Haddock links sometimes 'More info' and sometimes 'Documentation' and 'Source'? E.g. for Bool it's the former and for Bounded it is the latter.
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2020-04-26 09:26:08	jchia_	OK, I've just added some logging and found that the hoogle search that infoFancyRender was issuing was indeed failing because of the 'module:'. Maybe something is messed up with the hoogle generation.
2020-04-26 09:26:32	jchia_	But I'm still puzzled why there is sometimes 'More info' and sometimes 'Documentation' and 'Source'.
2020-04-26 09:34:55	jchia_	Perhaps the vscode extension is doing the lookup itself instead of hie do it. Also "FromField package:cassava module:Data.Csv.Conversion is:exact" is failing because the module is wrong. It should be Data.CSV
2020-04-26 09:35:19	jchia_	Data.Csv instead of Data.Csv.Conversion.
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2020-04-26 09:57:54	jchia_	Another failed hoogle search from HIE: "Hashable package:hashable module:Data.Hashable.Class is:exact" instead of "Hashable package:hashable module:Data.Hashable is:exact"
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2020-04-26 10:44:57	jchia_	OK, mystery solved. HIE_HOOGLE_DATABASE allows specifying a custom hoogle database but the Haddock.hoverProvider still looks at the Haddock files for the current project as hoogle is only a fallback. I didn't run 'stack haddock for the project being edited' and there's no Haddock analog for HIE_HOOGLE_DATABASE.
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2020-04-26 11:52:37	wz1000	mpickering: I think thats how the cancellation of old requests is implemented
2020-04-26 11:56:43	wz1000	so its 0.003s? That is quite good. We can respond within one frame even on a 144hz display
2020-04-26 11:57:08	wz1000	of course, the editor also has to render it
2020-04-26 12:01:10	mpickering	Yeah
2020-04-26 12:02:06	mpickering	I changed it as well to catch and rethrow to aThread
2020-04-26 12:02:23	mpickering	And the timing looks better
2020-04-26 12:02:29	wz1000	in k?
2020-04-26 12:13:09	mpickering	Yeah, that's not the right fix
2020-04-26 12:13:28	mpickering	But I wanted to check the numbers
2020-04-26 12:20:07	wz1000	what about adding it to the actual itself? in runAction, the argument passed to shakeRunUser
2020-04-26 12:20:21	wz1000	measure it just before writing to the barrier
2020-04-26 12:24:19	wz1000	ok, that will get cancelled
2020-04-26 12:45:21	mpickering	yeah I am going to fix it properly today
2020-04-26 12:45:44	mpickering	I think you probably want to log the duration of both though, the immediate return time and also how long in total the action took?
2020-04-26 12:45:55	mpickering	I also wanted to read some code to work out why it took so long
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2020-04-26 13:53:40	mpickering	ok I worked out why it took so long
2020-04-26 13:53:55	mpickering	Firstly if you enable profiling then it adds about 0.2s to each request
2020-04-26 13:54:24	mpickering	secondly on every rule an action is run which triggers a typecheck of "Files of interest"
2020-04-26 13:54:48	mpickering	So I removed this second part as now that gets triggered when the file is modified or opened
2020-04-26 13:54:55	mpickering	and also you really don't want to do that for hovering
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2020-04-26 14:26:51	mpickering	wz1000: Review please - https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/commit/01b15b38f26e5d0c6fc50d59b8fddae623542670
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2020-04-26 16:52:36	wz1000	looking...
2020-04-26 16:54:59	wz1000	mpickering: I don't really get what runAction was doing in the first place
2020-04-26 16:57:26	wz1000	the code does seem much clearer now
2020-04-26 17:05:15	wz1000	mpickering: what is an `action` rule?
2020-04-26 17:05:38	mpickering	It runs every time `shakeRun` is called
2020-04-26 17:07:51	mpickering	The idea was that on every request you would see if you needed to retypecheck anything
2020-04-26 17:07:55	mpickering	which turned out to be expensive
2020-04-26 17:08:10	wz1000	oh, ok
2020-04-26 17:08:22	wz1000	that sounds stupid
2020-04-26 17:12:56	mpickering	The fact you can only have one copy of the shake database open at once makes this business with async exceptions pretty brittle I feel
2020-04-26 17:13:12	mpickering	some actions like hover you definition want to cancel or typechecking if you get an update
2020-04-26 17:13:18	mpickering	but you don't want to cancel a typecheck for a hover?
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2020-04-26 17:14:29	wz1000	is it ever worth it to cancel a hover now? since its just a lookup?
2020-04-26 17:14:40	wz1000	might as well let it run?
2020-04-26 17:14:45	mpickering	well because it's in `Action`
2020-04-26 17:14:54	mpickering	you don't have much choice
2020-04-26 17:15:01	mpickering	but you would be unlucky to cancel a hover
2020-04-26 17:16:44	mpickering	I am trying to make it so you can run rules after returning, what I see is things like CodeAction is trigger and async kills the ongoing typecheck call
2020-04-26 17:17:34	mpickering	outline comes along and cancels something as well
2020-04-26 17:17:36	wz1000	i think you should only cancel when the document state changes or you get a cancel request?
2020-04-26 17:18:14	mpickering	yeah the issue is that hover/outline etc are all still in the `Action` monad
2020-04-26 17:18:21	mpickering	Need to change that to make progress here
2020-04-26 17:18:38	wz1000	can't we just not cancel anything to start with?
2020-04-26 17:18:49	wz1000	and then selectively add canceling for things where it makes sense
2020-04-26 17:18:50	mpickering	If you don't cancel as you have to block
2020-04-26 17:18:55	wz1000	yeah
2020-04-26 17:19:19	wz1000	only thing that should really block is typechecking
2020-04-26 17:19:41	wz1000	which is what we want to cancel
2020-04-26 17:20:07	wz1000	I think alanz_ is right 
2020-04-26 17:20:23	wz1000	in that we only want ghcide to be managing typechecking and artifact generation
2020-04-26 17:20:35	wz1000	downsweep or whatever
2020-04-26 17:21:00	wz1000	then everything on top like hover and definition can fork and lookup the state
2020-04-26 17:21:07	wz1000	and they don't have to block
2020-04-26 17:22:40	mpickering	You still want to cache things like the Span map right?
2020-04-26 17:22:46	mpickering	how are you proposing that works?
2020-04-26 17:22:54	mpickering	or is that part of artifact generation?
2020-04-26 17:23:05	wz1000	yeah, its part of artifact generation
2020-04-26 17:23:40	mpickering	you still need a way to tell shake, btw I looked up the value in this cache, check it's up to date for me
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2020-04-26 17:24:00	wz1000	why?
2020-04-26 17:24:24	wz1000	shake will just sit in the background regenerating the artifacts as the document changes
2020-04-26 17:24:30	mpickering	Or are you proposing that you regenerate SpanInfo as well when the document changes
2020-04-26 17:24:33	mpickering	right
2020-04-26 17:25:31	wz1000	in HIE this is lazy
2020-04-26 17:26:11	wz1000	SpanInfo is almost a pure function of the artifacts
2020-04-26 17:26:25	wz1000	so we don't have to pay for it until the first hover
2020-04-26 17:27:02	mpickering	I think you could do that as well
2020-04-26 17:27:09	mpickering	you just remove the stuff form the shake graph
2020-04-26 17:27:29	mpickering	So then what is the type of a consumer?
2020-04-26 17:27:37	mpickering	`Artifacts -> IO ()`?
2020-04-26 17:27:47	wz1000	something like that
2020-04-26 17:28:55	wz1000	or with my new lsp thing, Artifact -> Message m -> IO (Response m)
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2020-04-26 17:31:47	mpickering	I don't get actually why typechecking is not kill when you hover
2020-04-26 17:32:16	wz1000	after your patch, before or both?
2020-04-26 17:32:43	mpickering	both
2020-04-26 17:33:30	wz1000	it is killed by CodeAction though you said?
2020-04-26 17:33:44	mpickering	ah yes right
2020-04-26 17:33:58	mpickering	so I think what is happening is that before it worked because a typecheck was triggered after every action
2020-04-26 17:34:14	mpickering	but still not sure why it didn't get killed when half way through
2020-04-26 17:36:48	mpickering	I think it only works because basically everything ends up calling typecheck
2020-04-26 17:36:52	mpickering	like hover etc
2020-04-26 17:37:04	mpickering	so when you hover it gets kill but then immediately spawned again
2020-04-26 17:37:09	wz1000	but now it doesn't?
2020-04-26 17:38:03	mpickering	"it"
2020-04-26 17:38:03	mpickering	?
2020-04-26 17:38:15	wz1000	spawn typecheck
2020-04-26 17:38:56	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/cVEqJhHe/
2020-04-26 17:39:00	mpickering	Here's some of the log
2020-04-26 17:39:07	mpickering	OfInterest triggers a typecheck
2020-04-26 17:39:14	mpickering	which is then killed when Outline starts
2020-04-26 17:40:02	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/nZ0l51lw/
2020-04-26 17:40:08	mpickering	Then I modify a character
2020-04-26 17:40:17	mpickering	the FileStoreTC rule also invokes typecheck but that gets kill
2020-04-26 17:40:21	mpickering	by Outline
2020-04-26 17:41:23	wz1000	so nothing works?
2020-04-26 17:42:10	mpickering	yeah it seems that way
2020-04-26 17:42:31	wz1000	you aren't getting any hovers etc?
2020-04-26 17:42:36	mpickering	no I do eventually
2020-04-26 17:42:43	wz1000	how?
2020-04-26 17:43:16	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/vRbqwe5Q/
2020-04-26 17:43:27	mpickering	Here I repeatedly hover
2020-04-26 17:43:38	mpickering	so you can see the Delayed call getting killed multiple time
2020-04-26 17:45:16	mpickering	So let's come up with a specification for how we want this to behave
2020-04-26 17:45:19	wz1000	mpickering: what if you modify shakeRun to to take a bool
2020-04-26 17:45:25	wz1000	Cancellable
2020-04-26 17:45:39	wz1000	which only aborts if it is true
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2020-04-26 17:45:57	wz1000	no, that won't work
2020-04-26 17:46:15	mpickering	Specification first
2020-04-26 17:46:31	wz1000	ok, so typecheck should only be cancelled on a newer typecheck
2020-04-26 17:46:45	mpickering	can anything else cancel a typecheck?
2020-04-26 17:46:47	wz1000	nothing else should be cancelled
2020-04-26 17:46:50	wz1000	no
2020-04-26 17:46:56	wz1000	lets start with this
2020-04-26 17:47:02	wz1000	nice and simple
2020-04-26 17:47:19	wz1000	add complexity later
2020-04-26 17:47:21	mpickering	ok so what about the other artefacts?
2020-04-26 17:47:32	wz1000	like?
2020-04-26 17:47:36	mpickering	Span map
2020-04-26 17:47:37	mpickering	completions
2020-04-26 17:47:58	wz1000	shouldn't be too expensive to compute
2020-04-26 17:47:59	mpickering	Completions depends on quite a bit of stuff
2020-04-26 17:48:04	wz1000	relative to typecheck
2020-04-26 17:49:49	mpickering	ok so how do we specify actions like hover
2020-04-26 17:49:52	mpickering	just as an IO function?
2020-04-26 17:50:32	mpickering	and if the stuff isn't there you just return a default value
2020-04-26 17:53:05	wz1000	yeah
2020-04-26 17:53:28	mpickering	I still want a way to delay a trigger on building this stuff as well
2020-04-26 17:53:46	mpickering	it does take time to build the span map and completions
2020-04-26 17:53:49	wz1000	yes thats useful for things like rename
2020-04-26 17:54:16	mpickering	but we should make `shakeRun` be fed from a queue as well
2020-04-26 17:54:26	wz1000	maybe we can report something like "loading" in hover if shake is typechecking
2020-04-26 17:54:49	mpickering	then there can be two variants to shakeRun, the abort variant and the queue variant
2020-04-26 17:54:58	wz1000	yeah
2020-04-26 17:55:12	mpickering	if a queued action is aborted it should be requeued as well
2020-04-26 17:56:22	wz1000	now it seems like we are rewriting hie-plugin-api in ghcide lol
2020-04-26 17:56:34	mpickering	yeah I know
2020-04-26 17:56:54	mpickering	such is the way
2020-04-26 17:57:17	mpickering	so first I will move hover/defn/outline/code action/completions out of the action monad
2020-04-26 17:58:38	mpickering	reimplementing downsweep was a great idea though as it allows much better control
2020-04-26 17:59:21	wz1000	I agree
2020-04-26 17:59:46	mpickering	What do we call an `Action` which isn't a shake action?
2020-04-26 18:00:09	wz1000	IdeAction?
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2020-04-26 18:06:58	Orbstheorem	Hello, this may or may not be the right place to ask so forguive me if it's not. I tried hie-nix about a year ago and I didn't like the experience. I got it working but I couldn't get it to run only when I save the file so it would take a lot of CPU. I went back to `stack build --filewatch`. I'm starting a new project and I'm willing to give hie a try (first I noticed a new repo
2020-04-26 18:07:00	Orbstheorem	`haskell-language-server` and I'm reading the history). I would like to have errors from `stack build --filewatch` (or equivalent) in vim, preferably using the language protocol, preferably from an application I can see running in a tmux pane (since visualising multiline errors in vim is not fun). I point out _preferably_ because I don't know what hie is capable of doing or not.
2020-04-26 18:07:08	Orbstheorem	(That was a lot of text, sorry ><")
2020-04-26 18:07:26	Orbstheorem	Also forgive the spell xD
2020-04-26 19:42:30	mpickering	wz1000: It lives
2020-04-26 19:49:13	wz1000	https://stevetobak.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/its-alive.jpg
2020-04-26 19:54:17	alanz_	I just noticed I dont get symbol highlights in hls. They are really useful. Damn.
2020-04-26 19:55:40	wz1000	ghcide doesn't have them either
2020-04-26 19:55:42	wz1000	I think
2020-04-26 19:55:52	wz1000	but its pretty easy to implement
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2020-04-26 19:57:03	alanz_	low hanging fruit to bring over from hie, I hope
2020-04-26 19:58:20	wz1000	this whole SpanInfo type is pretty useless
2020-04-26 19:58:25	wz1000	since we have the hiefile
2020-04-26 19:58:36	wz1000	which ghcide generates
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2020-04-26 19:58:48	wz1000	it has more information and faster lookup
2020-04-26 19:59:04	alanz_	ok. And you are the expert on, so know about its uses
2020-04-26 19:59:08	wz1000	O(log n) vs O(n)
2020-04-26 19:59:37	alanz_	btw, there was a question on twitter about getting the extensions enabled when a given file was compiled. They are not currently in the hie file
2020-04-26 19:59:51	alanz_	would it make sense for them to be there?
2020-04-26 20:00:24	wz1000	maybe. aren't they in the .hi file?
2020-04-26 20:00:39	alanz_	as I typed that I was mentally asking the same question
2020-04-26 20:00:46	wz1000	apparently not..
2020-04-26 20:01:01	wz1000	only the hash
2020-04-26 20:01:12	wz1000	yeah, we could put them in the hie file
2020-04-26 20:03:21	alanz_	probably worth doing, so our future selves can be happy
2020-04-26 20:03:40	alanz_	Its actually amazing how quickly features do seem to be generally available
2020-04-26 20:04:01	alanz_	which is probably more a sign of how long it takes to make progress on other things.
2020-04-26 20:04:15	alanz_	I see even haddock is switching to use hie files now
2020-04-26 20:05:47	wz1000	i has been since 8.8
2020-04-26 20:06:17	wz1000	its the first consumer I implemented
2020-04-26 20:06:54	alanz_	ok, sorry. I just saw some commits recently referring to it, while rebasing my annotations thing
2020-04-26 20:07:37	wz1000	it's how you get types on hover in stackage: https://www.stackage.org/haddock/lts-15.10/adjunctions-4.4/src/Data.Functor.Adjunction.html
2020-04-26 20:07:53	wz1000	should be on hackage to once the hackage-server thing is sorted out
2020-04-26 20:09:43	wz1000	mpickering: what are you cooking up?
2020-04-26 20:11:46	mpickering	wz1000: what we just talked about
2020-04-26 20:16:02	mpickering	alanz_: Since you were away alanz_ we have rearchitectured ghcide once again 
2020-04-26 20:18:25	alanz_	mpickering, I saw the conversation earlier, and liked what I saw
2020-04-26 20:18:55	alanz_	seem to be finally coming around to a query vs artifact generation split
2020-04-26 20:21:27	mpickering	I am wondering whether to use a Chan or a priority queue in an IORef
2020-04-26 20:23:24	alanz_	my bias is toward Chan
2020-04-26 20:23:39	alanz_	but perhaps take a look at what we have in hie?
2020-04-26 20:24:09	alanz_	The essense is to drive the artifact generation from changes that can actually influence the artifact. i.e. changes in the file
2020-04-26 20:24:31	alanz_	and surely the existing shake mechanisms, as used in ghcide should be able to manage that?
2020-04-26 20:24:43	alanz_	or are you talking about how to manage the query side of things?
2020-04-26 20:26:44	mpickering	There is a queue of shake actions to run
2020-04-26 20:26:53	mpickering	so for example, you don't kill a typecheck because you start computing spaninfo
2020-04-26 20:27:16	mpickering	the issue is now I am adding in cancellation, I want to requeue the cancelled action at the front of the queue
2020-04-26 20:27:57	alanz_	how are cancellations done at the moment?
2020-04-26 20:28:08	mpickering	at the moment in master or on my branch?
2020-04-26 20:28:12	mpickering	on my branch nothing is being cancelled
2020-04-26 20:28:17	alanz_	either, both
2020-04-26 20:28:47	alanz_	my understanding of the shake model is it uses opportunistic computation. Start processes freely, but kill them freely too
2020-04-26 20:28:58	mpickering	yes, that is not what we are going to do anymore
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2020-04-26 20:29:09	alanz_	which should be fine, if the graph is set up correctly
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2020-04-26 20:29:17	alanz_	why not?
2020-04-26 20:29:30	alanz_	to make sure that you actually get a result from time to time?
2020-04-26 20:29:58	mpickering	because it causes a lot of redundant work
2020-04-26 20:30:17	mpickering	and we saw situations like Outline cancelled typechecking
2020-04-26 20:30:33	alanz_	which is fine if it happens in otherwise idle time, not so fine if it prevents other functionality
2020-04-26 20:30:43	mpickering	and there was this rule which ran on every single action to check whether the file needed to be typechecked again which added 0.2s to every call
2020-04-26 20:30:57	mpickering	so I removed this overhead which then broke the IDE
2020-04-26 20:31:03	alanz_	ok
2020-04-26 20:31:07	mpickering	because I set up some typecheck calls to happen when something was modified
2020-04-26 20:31:12	mpickering	but they would get killed by outline lol
2020-04-26 20:31:18	alanz_	ok.
2020-04-26 20:31:52	alanz_	I think the first thing to do is to audit the rules, and split them into a set that are driven from modification, and drive typechecking
2020-04-26 20:32:06	mpickering	I have done that
2020-04-26 20:32:25	alanz_	and these should work as per the existing ghcide, kill restart, eventually get to a point where there are artifacts
2020-04-26 20:32:53	alanz_	but those artifacts should be cached, and used for queries such as outline, completions, hover, go to definition, etc
2020-04-26 20:33:02	mpickering	parts I have done, make hover/completions/outline/code lens return immediately 
2020-04-26 20:33:10	mpickering	and add a queue for shake actions
2020-04-26 20:33:20	mpickering	now I need to add the part which kills the currently running action when a file is modified
2020-04-26 20:33:42	alanz_	ok. That is not something I am up to speed with.
2020-04-26 20:34:05	alanz_	I have a feeling it could be fruitful for you (an wz1000 ?) to have a conversation with ndm about this stuff
2020-04-26 20:34:22	mpickering	I have given up on that... 
2020-04-26 20:34:34	alanz_	as I think you have enought background context to tak properly
2020-04-26 20:34:41	mpickering	easier to produce the goods so at least I can use a fork which works well
2020-04-26 20:35:03	alanz_	mpickering, he is in the process of recovering from illness, I see lots of activity on hlint now, perhaps give him a ping
2020-04-26 20:36:14	mpickering	when I have finished the implementation..
2020-04-26 20:37:49	alanz_	I just sent a mail
2020-04-26 20:38:11	alanz_	unsing some all caps in the title, even :)
2020-04-26 20:39:11	alanz_	except I think he is quite slow to check his gmail, will probably only get a response late tonight or tomorrow. But good to get the ball rolling
2020-04-26 20:39:17	mpickering	Hmm I don't want to talk to him now, I have been blocked for months waiting and am now too impatient
2020-04-26 20:39:56	alanz_	I think the blocker has been that cocreature has been against this approach, ndm did not want to go against that.
2020-04-26 20:40:34	alanz_	we are going against that original architecture anyway. And I am really keen to see what insight he can provide, he has the most experience with Shake
2020-04-26 20:41:41	alanz_	FYI, I rebased on your current tip, and rebased hls too. Currently running the hottest of the hot on my machine :)
2020-04-26 20:41:43	mpickering	I am much happier now working on my own fork as PRs are ignored for weeks
2020-04-26 20:42:40	mpickering	So I will implement what we think is the right idea, prove it works better and then we can go from there. I am not willing to engage in a long political discussion yet
2020-04-26 20:43:06	alanz_	me too, kind of mentally accepted that we are running an hls version, we will try to sync up to ghcide when they are ready. But we cant wait
2020-04-26 20:43:28	alanz_	In my mind the politics are behind us, we have to move forward.
2020-04-26 20:43:51	mpickering	If I am implementing critical features for their project, it would be more polite to not ignore my PRs for 3 weeks
2020-04-26 20:44:00	alanz_	ghcide is constrained as it is part of a product suite for a different set of languages.  There is a possibility we will have to diverge
2020-04-26 20:44:06	mpickering	rant over, time for a run
2020-04-26 20:44:20	alanz_	I am also about to literally go for a walk in the woods :)
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2020-04-26 21:47:07	alanz_	missing symbol highlights really pains me when the code I am reading used NamedFieldPuns too.
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2020-04-26 22:01:49	mpickering	What is that feature?
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2020-04-26 22:08:02	wz1000	mpickering: it highlights all the local references of a name
2020-04-26 22:08:19	mpickering	I could swear that works
2020-04-26 22:08:28	mpickering	perhaps it is something slightly different
2020-04-26 22:12:33	wz1000	mpickering: vscode does that by default using search
2020-04-26 22:12:59	wz1000	try it with shadowed names, it will give you incorrect highlights
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2020-04-26 23:09:12	alanz_	in hls I am not seeing highlights at all. Maybe I need to plumb it through. Will take a look a bit later.
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2020-04-26 23:19:10	wz1000	alanz_: there are no highlights in ghcide
2020-04-26 23:30:21	wz1000	mpickering: if I use_ a rule but don't include it in mainRule, will it still work?
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2020-04-26 23:43:31	mpickering	wz1000: No, you have to put the definition in mainrule
2020-04-26 23:43:42	mpickering	You will get an error if you don't do that
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2020-04-27 00:32:13	mpickering	ok I think my branch works from about 5 minutes of testing
2020-04-27 00:33:53	wz1000	mpickering: does the order of rules in mainRule matter?
2020-04-27 00:34:11	mpickering	no
2020-04-27 00:34:14	mpickering	what is your problem?
2020-04-27 00:35:39	mpickering	basically when you start shake it runs everything in mainRule to decide what the rules are any querying comes later
2020-04-27 00:36:19	wz1000	mpickering: I can't get this new rule I added to work
2020-04-27 00:36:25	wz1000	Wait, I'll show you
2020-04-27 00:36:34	mpickering	Are you running the right executable
2020-04-27 00:36:39	wz1000	yes
2020-04-27 00:36:50	mpickering	Perhaps my goto type definition patch is useful
2020-04-27 00:37:35	wz1000	mpickering: 436407f4932adde2cba91d1df7d49e23b03714de
2020-04-27 00:37:40	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/ghcide/commit/436407f4932adde2cba91d1df7d49e23b03714de
2020-04-27 00:37:46	wz1000	yes, that is what I copied from
2020-04-27 00:37:55	wz1000	the HieFile rule works
2020-04-27 00:37:59	wz1000	the RefMap rule doesn't
2020-04-27 00:38:28	mpickering	There is already a GetHieFile rule
2020-04-27 00:38:35	mpickering	why did you add another one?
2020-04-27 00:39:03	wz1000	its not a rule
2020-04-27 00:39:21	mpickering	ah is this based on my branch?
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2020-04-27 00:39:44	wz1000	yes
2020-04-27 00:39:58	mpickering	"type instance RuleResult GetHieFile = HieFile"
2020-04-27 00:40:02	mpickering	that may be why it doesn't work then lol
2020-04-27 00:40:06	wz1000	https://gist.github.com/wz1000/766b551c31c8f9465a90fcfd799ecce7
2020-04-27 00:40:07	mpickering	does hover work without your patch?
2020-04-27 00:40:14	wz1000	yes
2020-04-27 00:40:17	wz1000	it works after also
2020-04-27 00:40:28	wz1000	only documenthighlight doesn't wor
2020-04-27 00:40:50	wz1000	search for hPutStrLn to see my logging
2020-04-27 00:40:59	mpickering	I will push what I have currently which I believe is less broken
2020-04-27 00:41:04	wz1000	it stops after here1
2020-04-27 00:41:08	mpickering	I think what is happening is that the GetRefMap rule is just being killed
2020-04-27 00:41:15	mpickering	that's what the log says anyway
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2020-04-27 00:43:06	mpickering	wz1000: Can you try rebasing?
2020-04-27 00:44:02	mpickering	It won't be clean sorry
2020-04-27 00:44:06	mpickering	I modified all the functions you did
2020-04-27 00:46:26	mpickering	So to be clear, DocumentHighight is called, looks in the cache, there's nothing. It triggers the GetRefMap rule to run later but that is killed by something else before it completes
2020-04-27 00:46:32	mpickering	and we end up without the cache being updated
2020-04-27 00:47:05	wz1000	I know. I was hoping I would get my patch ready before yours and let you deal with it 
2020-04-27 00:48:54	mpickering	classic
2020-04-27 00:50:16	mpickering	I'm sure a programmer of your calibre can perform a little rebase?
2020-04-27 00:50:32	mpickering	I would be honoured to merge your patch into The Branch once it is done
2020-04-27 00:52:21	wz1000	not that bad actually
2020-04-27 00:53:44	wz1000	mpickering: my patch doesn't work with 8.6, and it sacrifices haddocks
2020-04-27 00:53:58	mpickering	That doesn't sound ideal
2020-04-27 00:54:15	wz1000	haddocks can work with a little work
2020-04-27 00:54:18	wz1000	but not 8.6
2020-04-27 00:54:29	mpickering	Guard the DocumentSymbols stuff with CPP then
2020-04-27 00:54:38	mpickering	and don't modify the definition, type def, hover
2020-04-27 00:54:45	wz1000	its not just DocumentSymbols
2020-04-27 00:54:56	wz1000	the point was to get rid of SpanInfo
2020-04-27 00:55:01	mpickering	You claim this is going to be faster
2020-04-27 00:55:09	mpickering	when I benchmarked before writing a hiefile was pretty expensive
2020-04-27 00:55:28	wz1000	it writes hiefile anyway
2020-04-27 00:55:45	mpickering	I suppose it will just check to see if it needs recompiling rather than do it every time
2020-04-27 00:55:45	wz1000	even before this, no?
2020-04-27 00:57:40	wz1000	we don't have to always write hiefiles, we can keep it in memory and only write on save
2020-04-27 00:58:37	mpickering	https://github.com/wz1000/ghcide/commit/436407f4932adde2cba91d1df7d49e23b03714de#diff-b3c76360204f553be39aaf5ae07b8d67R455
2020-04-27 00:58:45	mpickering	You removed the guard which meant they didn't get written every typecheck
2020-04-27 00:59:13	wz1000	yes
2020-04-27 00:59:15	wz1000	for now
2020-04-27 00:59:34	wz1000	to get it working
2020-04-27 01:01:07	mpickering	I predict your patch will work with the rebase
2020-04-27 01:01:09	mpickering	prove me wrong
2020-04-27 01:02:48	wz1000	how do I turn a MaybeT IdeAction HieFile into a Action (IdeResult HieFile)
2020-04-27 01:04:10	mpickering	You don't
2020-04-27 01:04:23	mpickering	IdeAction is the new distinct thing for queries
2020-04-27 01:04:31	mpickering	Which function are you trying to modify?
2020-04-27 01:04:34	wz1000	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/commit/3e7e3fdb678656af28f9ea7d3c2c918825d3a6ef#diff-b3c76360204f553be39aaf5ae07b8d67L152
2020-04-27 01:04:36	wz1000	I need this
2020-04-27 01:04:42	wz1000	as an Action
2020-04-27 01:05:12	wz1000	to implement this: https://github.com/wz1000/ghcide/commit/436407f4932adde2cba91d1df7d49e23b03714de#diff-b3c76360204f553be39aaf5ae07b8d67R398
2020-04-27 01:05:45	mpickering	I told you there is already a rule to get the hie file?
2020-04-27 01:06:44	wz1000	where?
2020-04-27 01:09:28	mpickering	hmm it seems not
2020-04-27 01:09:50	mpickering	should you not write a rule which makes the HieFile form the TypecheckedModule?
2020-04-27 01:10:24	mpickering	Or otherwise something like the GetHiFile rule which attempts to read it from disk
2020-04-27 01:10:24	wz1000	I'm pretty sure its faster to read it from the disk
2020-04-27 01:11:39	wz1000	thats exactly what getHomeHieFile did 
2020-04-27 01:12:21	wz1000	got it compile, lets see if it works
2020-04-27 01:13:20	wz1000	mpickering: it does, amazing work
2020-04-27 01:13:29	mpickering	Thumbs up from the UK
2020-04-27 01:16:08	wz1000	http://78.47.113.11/2020-04-27-010441_grab.png
2020-04-27 01:16:37	wz1000	I don't don't why my syntax highlighting on vscode suddenly stopped working
2020-04-27 01:17:00	mpickering	actually the same thing happened for me until I restarted
2020-04-27 01:21:45	mpickering	`(\(file, imports) -> (FilePathId file, FilePathId file, map snd imports)`
2020-04-27 01:21:52	mpickering	No idea why this code duplicates the FilePathId
2020-04-27 01:21:59	mpickering	it is only used in one place where the first one is ignored
2020-04-27 01:22:04	wz1000	mpickering: check this out, hovering over RecordWildcards: http://78.47.113.11/2020-04-27-010455_grab.png
2020-04-27 01:22:26	fenedor	:O Amazing!
2020-04-27 01:22:34	mpickering	oh cool, is that by modifying how hover works?
2020-04-27 01:22:45	wz1000	yes
2020-04-27 01:27:42	wz1000	and it works with DocumentHighlight too: http://78.47.113.11/2020-04-27-010434_grab.png
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2020-04-27 01:28:54	mpickering	cool, v nice
2020-04-27 01:29:06	alanz_	wz1000, howcome you have no syntax highlighting? a deliberate choice?
2020-04-27 01:29:58	wz1000	alanz_: it broke suddenly. I just fixed it
2020-04-27 01:30:13	wz1000	look at my last screenshot :)
2020-04-27 01:30:46	alanz_	ok. I know there is a "monotone movement" in UI, I remember seeing a guy who made his entire screen greyscale
2020-04-27 01:31:11	alanz_	much better. And you say document highlights work again? did you do something?
2020-04-27 01:31:22	wz1000	alanz_: I just implemented it
2020-04-27 01:31:26	wz1000	But using .hie files
2020-04-27 01:31:32	wz1000	so it won't work on 8.6
2020-04-27 01:31:33	alanz_	awesome.
2020-04-27 01:31:45	alanz_	not so awesome :(
2020-04-27 01:32:01	mpickering	wz1000: How hard would it be to backport the HieAst module to 8.6?
2020-04-27 01:32:02	wz1000	also reimplemented hover, definition using .hie files
2020-04-27 01:32:25	mpickering	It is already copied into tree for 8.8 and 8.10
2020-04-27 01:32:25	wz1000	mpickering: shouldn't be too hard
2020-04-27 01:33:06	wz1000	I think I'll maintain this as a fork for the time being
2020-04-27 01:33:23	wz1000	integrate hiedb for references and other stuff
2020-04-27 01:33:28	alanz_	I was just going to say, I recall seeing some GHC-specific directories related to that
2020-04-27 01:33:57	wz1000	until 8.6 is obsolete
2020-04-27 01:34:12	mpickering	a fork of a fork
2020-04-27 01:34:14	mpickering	what is not to love
2020-04-27 01:34:52	wz1000	as long as it works for me lol
2020-04-27 01:39:24	alanz_	I stopped caring about beauty and elegance in terms of this sort of stuff a long time ago.
2020-04-27 01:39:52	alanz_	So long as the future stuff is beautiful and elegant, do what you have to to provide *something* for the trailing edge
2020-04-27 01:41:04	wz1000	mpickering: i'm willing to bet that generating the .hie file(not writing it) is comparable in performance to generating SpanInfo. Prove me wrong
2020-04-27 01:42:56	wz1000	are we still using the 3 major version rule for hie/hls?
2020-04-27 01:48:41	mpickering	haha 
2020-04-27 01:48:43	mpickering	look at this one
2020-04-27 01:48:53	mpickering	oh god I am so excited
2020-04-27 01:48:57	mpickering	but first need to record the video
2020-04-27 01:51:45	mpickering	I think this may be my  greatest ever weekend of hacking
2020-04-27 01:53:50	mpickering	https://youtu.be/iJaPnxzfo5w
2020-04-27 01:54:46	wz1000	"We're processing this video. Check back later." youtube is keeping me in suspense
2020-04-27 01:56:30	fendor	haha :D 
2020-04-27 01:56:35	fendor	great video!
2020-04-27 01:57:14	wz1000	nice. does it still work if you don't load Main.hs in the beginning?
2020-04-27 01:57:25	mpickering	err no
2020-04-27 01:57:27	mpickering	lol
2020-04-27 01:57:42	mpickering	I think there is some logic in ghcide to stop it showing warnings for files you don't have open
2020-04-27 01:58:22	mpickering	basically I think it should work
2020-04-27 01:58:25	mpickering	given my code
2020-04-27 01:58:44	wz1000	should be a simple fix though, now that you have the module graph? you can just load the roots
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2020-04-27 02:01:28	mpickering	I am currently just loading reverse dependencies of the changed file
2020-04-27 02:01:33	mpickering	but could also do that
2020-04-27 02:02:29	mpickering	ah I know why
2020-04-27 02:03:06	wz1000	are reverse dependencies transitive?
2020-04-27 02:03:10	mpickering	not yet
2020-04-27 02:03:20	mpickering	the issue is that the way I implemented it
2020-04-27 02:03:32	mpickering	not the whole module graph is loaded at first
2020-04-27 02:04:20	mpickering	basically the way I am getting the files to care about is a bit hacky
2020-04-27 02:04:40	mpickering	have to stop now, been an intense weekend
2020-04-27 02:06:29	mpickering	Now I have a queue I can just add actions to, will be easy to fix this as well. When a new component is loaded just queue up `GetHifile` for all the targets where files already exist
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2020-04-27 02:11:20	wz1000	good job, you deserve a break before your next rewrite of an IDE
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2020-04-27 02:14:13	alanz_	mpickering, nice
2020-04-27 02:14:46	alanz_	But I think it could be good to show errors in files that are not currently loaded. Like your Main.hs in the video
2020-04-27 02:15:38	mpickering	Does this one count as a rewrite or not?
2020-04-27 02:15:48	mpickering	didn't have to change that much
2020-04-27 02:15:57	mpickering	alanz_: Indeed I can do that but not today haha
2020-04-27 02:16:34	alanz_	mpickering, I share wz1000's view. you are deserving of a break
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2020-04-27 02:17:01	alanz_	if you are able to.  The next level waits for you, the level boss is even tougher to beat :)
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2020-04-27 02:39:13	mpickering	Good thing about this new approach is that if you call shakeRun with a lot of duplicates then it doesn't matter as it will only compute the thing once still
2020-04-27 02:39:32	mpickering	And also you can share the work between rules more easily if you batch them together
2020-04-27 02:40:41	alanz_	nice
2020-04-27 02:41:13	alanz_	I am just looking at the output of the stderr, for progress, and pondering the vast duplication that I am seeing
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2020-04-27 02:55:24	mpickering	alanz_: from a fresh rebase or when?
2020-04-27 02:55:41	mpickering	If you paste a log I will explain
2020-04-27 02:56:09	alanz_	mpickering, after syaing that, I looked more closely, and it is actually quite good now. Using the version in my PR, updated earlier today
2020-04-27 02:56:26	alanz_	So I am thinking that the progress may not in fact need further tweaks
2020-04-27 02:56:48	mpickering	There was definitely one bad commit
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2020-04-27 02:59:45	mpickering	The latest version is good I think perhaps a few leftover traces
2020-04-27 02:59:58	mpickering	Or the second last commit
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2020-04-27 03:00:11	mpickering	I will be using it all day on GHC tomorrow anyway
2020-04-27 03:02:08	alanz_	ok, that is a good battle test for it.
2020-04-27 03:02:22	alanz_	the PR is up on hls too, hopefully we will have some users.
2020-04-27 03:02:36	alanz_	perhaps I should just merge it, we are in the experimental zone now anyway.
2020-04-27 03:02:42	alanz_	that gets more people trying it out
2020-04-27 03:02:51	alanz_	and for me it seems to work pretty well too
2020-04-27 03:09:31	fendor	alanz_, sure, just merge it
2020-04-27 03:10:54	alanz_	done :)
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2020-04-27 03:12:24	fendor	nice, I am testing it out tomorrow
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2020-04-27 03:16:35	mpickering	If that's not the latest commit then there's no warranty ha 
2020-04-27 03:21:38	alanz_	hmm, better check that
2020-04-27 03:22:02	alanz_	I do not that it is already better than the prior master
2020-04-27 03:23:41	alanz_	nope, I have more work to do. No problem
2020-04-27 03:27:40	alanz_	mpickering, the profiling-detail stuff in the cabal.project, does that force profiling, or only specify how to use it if it is enabled?
2020-04-27 03:27:51	alanz_	i.e. should I include it in my rebase or not?
2020-04-27 03:28:11	mpickering	If you are reading then I would pick the second last commit
2020-04-27 03:28:28	mpickering	*rebasing
2020-04-27 03:28:50	mpickering	Ie not the one with the reverse deps trigger in
2020-04-27 03:29:21	mpickering	And you don't need the profiling stuff 
2020-04-27 03:29:26	alanz_	ok, good thing you told me that, will abort and redo.
2020-04-27 03:29:41	alanz_	I notice you are not using the newer hie-bios either?
2020-04-27 03:29:50	mpickering	I am not sure how that change affects stability yet
2020-04-27 03:30:14	mpickering	But you would notice there is a target called 'ModuleGraph' in that commit
2020-04-27 03:31:02	alanz_	:+1:
2020-04-27 03:32:05	alanz_	just rebasing for a new PR now, will look at detail tomorrow
2020-04-27 03:33:15	mpickering	No I'm not using it
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2020-04-27 03:41:08	alanz_	mpickering, why did you comment out the compiletimeghc version check?
2020-04-27 03:41:17	alanz_	for mucking on ghc master?
2020-04-27 03:41:58	mpickering	Ah because it doesn't work with profiling
2020-04-27 03:42:06	mpickering	Need to revert that
2020-04-27 03:42:27	mpickering	Everything in exe/Main is  not critical
2020-04-27 03:42:36	alanz_	ok, will not include it in my copy over of that stuff
2020-04-27 03:42:52	alanz_	main change is commenting out that initial typecheck call
2020-04-27 03:43:16	alanz_	but I think that is just on the CLI leg, not the LSP leg
2020-04-27 03:44:28	alanz_	ah, and instead you are doing that loading of ghc/main.hs with tracing. Definitely not a general usage thing
2020-04-27 03:59:16	mpickering	Depends who is using it 😉
2020-04-27 04:02:24	alanz_	ture
2020-04-27 04:02:34	alanz_	but you are not a general
2020-04-27 04:03:59	alanz_	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/79
2020-04-27 04:04:14	alanz_	it even passes the hls tests, via stack.yaml
2020-04-27 04:04:24	 *	alanz_ off to bed
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2020-04-27 14:19:21	mpickering	good news everyone
2020-04-27 14:19:30	mpickering	I have the project wide recompilation stuff working now
2020-04-27 14:22:18	fendor	awesome! 
2020-04-27 14:22:50	mpickering	It hits the leaks a bit hard though on GHC
2020-04-27 14:23:01	mpickering	becomes unresponsive sometimes so pushed it onto another branch
2020-04-27 14:23:57	fendor	ok, which one?
2020-04-27 14:24:15	fendor	should we integrate it into hls, already? Or give it a try as only ghcide?
2020-04-27 14:24:57	mpickering	you can try it if you like
2020-04-27 14:25:01	fendor	yeah
2020-04-27 14:25:04	mpickering	requires modifying exe/Main.hs
2020-04-27 14:25:06	mpickering	wip/propagate
2020-04-27 14:25:54	fendor	and that contains all the fruits of your weekend labour?
2020-04-27 14:26:04	mpickering	yeah it is the wip/use-stale-fast
2020-04-27 14:26:10	mpickering	with one more commit which implements propagate
2020-04-27 14:26:45	fendor	oh, very cool! Going to build it now
2020-04-27 14:27:13	mpickering	Yeah seems to work very nicely, fast on ghcide code base
2020-04-27 14:27:28	mpickering	it is a bit slower on GHC when you have to rebuild over 200 modules 
2020-04-27 14:27:41	mpickering	but we can tweak how that behaves to give these kind of rebuilds lower priority and so on
2020-04-27 14:29:22	mpickering	but I feel now it's at a point where other people can modify things without having to understand how everything works
2020-04-27 14:30:23	wz1000	does hover etc work while its rebuilding ghc?
2020-04-27 14:30:55	mpickering	in theory
2020-04-27 14:31:14	mpickering	may need to tweak some priorities a bit
2020-04-27 14:31:28	mpickering	the rebuild action is delayed 
2020-04-27 14:31:41	mpickering	so it is sent into the queue and happens after the module you edited is typechcked
2020-04-27 14:32:58	mpickering	anyway it works well on projects the size of ghcide
2020-04-27 14:33:12	mpickering	and I am the only one who expects it to work on ghc
2020-04-27 14:55:02	fendor	installing it now! ghcide seems to be active again
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2020-04-27 17:46:33	mpickering	fendor: Do you notice it is quite slow to save files in vscode when using ghcide?
2020-04-27 17:58:19	fendor	mpickering, I have auto-save on, so, didnt realize it so far
2020-04-27 18:16:34	jophish	Thanks for all the hard work everyone :)
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2020-04-27 23:19:07	alanz_	fendor, if I invoke cabal-hls-install and my tree is dirty (wrt submodules anyway) I would rather it stops, than overwriting my submodule change
2020-04-27 23:19:41	alanz_	but that is probably not a feasible check to make
2020-04-27 23:20:54	mpickering	using nixos with slow internet is not as fun as usual
2020-04-27 23:22:47	alanz_	I just had a disturbance in my internet, rebooted the router, seems to be better now. Virgin.
2020-04-27 23:23:27	alanz_	mpickering, I just rebased on your propagators branch
2020-04-27 23:23:40	mpickering	great, think it works well
2020-04-27 23:23:50	alanz_	open Plugin.hs, open Types.hs, break something in Types.hs.
2020-04-27 23:24:01	mpickering	It works if you don't open both files now
2020-04-27 23:24:04	alanz_	nothing is reported on Plugin.hs (which uses Types.hs)
2020-04-27 23:24:30	mpickering	How did you break it?
2020-04-27 23:24:42	mpickering	removing an export it uses?
2020-04-27 23:24:46	alanz_	and none of the other unopened files get unhappy either. Perhaps I plumbed it through wrong.
2020-04-27 23:25:14	alanz_	I broke it by adding the word "bug" in the middle of the signature for CodeLensProvider
2020-04-27 23:25:22	alanz_	producing a fountain of red in that file
2020-04-27 23:25:36	mpickering	yeah if the file doesn't compile then you don't get errors in the other ones
2020-04-27 23:25:45	alanz_	not?
2020-04-27 23:25:50	alanz_	ok, let me try again
2020-04-27 23:25:54	alanz_	that makes sense
2020-04-27 23:25:56	mpickering	Remove an export or something
2020-04-27 23:26:03	mpickering	or change the type of something
2020-04-27 23:26:47	alanz_	ok, added an extra -> Int into the CodeLensProvider signature, no joy.
2020-04-27 23:27:02	alanz_	let me change an actual function, not just a synonym
2020-04-27 23:28:08	alanz_	maybe the problem is flycheck, filtering errors by file
2020-04-27 23:28:21	mpickering	I checked in vscode
2020-04-27 23:28:45	mpickering	I have one report from csongor that goto definition across components is broken
2020-04-27 23:28:49	mpickering	so I was going to quickly look into that
2020-04-27 23:29:06	mpickering	and by quickly I mean, wait for nix to download stuff and the ghc repo to clone
2020-04-27 23:30:42	alanz_	ok. I will look at this later, need to do stuff around food
2020-04-27 23:30:54	alanz_	after pushing my current WIP
2020-04-27 23:32:32	alanz_	done
2020-04-27 23:38:58	wz1000	alanz_: I think because of -fdefer-type-errors
2020-04-27 23:39:18	wz1000	adding "bug" will not break it
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2020-04-28 00:02:32	mpickering	dependency information is getting screwed up for Csongor's case
2020-04-28 00:02:36	fendor	alanz_, maybe we could add some flag for that, but cabal-hls-install' purpose is installation and for installation, it seems like the right default to me
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2020-04-28 04:29:17	jneira	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/issues/17926#note_267407
2020-04-28 04:31:01	jneira	i would like to have the knowledge about c and win api to help one hundreth part of what they have done
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2020-04-28 13:08:36	alanz_	:)
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2020-04-28 13:44:18	mpickering	Multi-component and package imports don't work together fyi
2020-04-28 13:44:19	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/issues/1
2020-04-28 13:44:30	mpickering	Any more issues with my branches please make them there so I can keep track
2020-04-28 13:50:36	jneira	i am getting an error opening hls with last hls version: D:\\dev\\ws\\haskell\\hls\\exe\\Main.hs:365:13: error:\n    parse error on input ‘-- * the new HscEnv so it can be used to modify the’
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2020-04-28 13:57:25	jneira	not sure if it is due to ghcide though, i will try with the last multi branch
2020-04-28 13:59:54	jneira	i guess it is use-stale-fast
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2020-04-28 14:22:27	mpickering	jneira: You should fix that error as it is failing to parse the haddock comment
2020-04-28 14:22:37	mpickering	ghcide is enabling the parsing of haddock comments now as well
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2020-04-28 16:12:56	mpickering	Branch seems stable after 2 hours editing GHC for me
2020-04-28 16:13:01	mpickering	🤛
2020-04-28 16:15:09	mpickering	leaking memory quite a bit still
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2020-04-28 18:31:03	jneira	mpickering: you are right, the error was caused for malformed comments in exe/Main.hs 
2020-04-28 18:31:33	mpickering	Which build do you have?
2020-04-28 18:31:42	mpickering	Is it the latest alanz PR or an earlier commit?
2020-04-28 18:32:03	mpickering	It won't affect this issue, just wondering
2020-04-28 18:32:58	jneira	commit b0cd53d651855a8b1eb3b88c5b1d340ab31f7f30 (HEAD, origin/hls-multi-rebased-2020-04-26)
2020-04-28 18:33:05	jneira	ghcide submodule of hls  ^^
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2020-04-28 18:33:27	jneira	origin is alanz fork
2020-04-28 18:34:53	jneira	ghcide exe/Main.hs has the same formatting (`-- * whatever`)
2020-04-28 18:36:10	jneira	there is a problem with th, i think you are aware...
2020-04-28 18:36:17	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/c70326179626239cee1427eb3e7df5fc/pasted.txt
2020-04-28 18:36:33	mpickering	hmm
2020-04-28 18:36:35	mpickering	interesting
2020-04-28 18:36:40	jneira	 Exception when trying to run compile-time code:
2020-04-28 18:36:52	mpickering	I have never seen that, I thought that action was already masked
2020-04-28 18:37:15	jneira	and i've seen a temporary error about moving .hi files
2020-04-28 18:37:33	jneira	it could be something windows related
2020-04-28 18:37:40	mpickering	This commit may be a bit more stable - https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/79
2020-04-28 18:37:44	jneira	let me get it from the log...
2020-04-28 18:38:01	mpickering	The implementation on master and that branch is quite different
2020-04-28 18:38:12	mpickering	so please try that first and I will fix any issues you have based on pull 79
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2020-04-28 18:38:38	jneira	ok
2020-04-28 18:38:43	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/282aa9c2e2a933084a89aaa4e6525f36/pasted.txt
2020-04-28 18:39:28	jneira	error about reneame hi file ^^
2020-04-28 18:41:51	mpickering	looks like a windows problem yes
2020-04-28 18:41:57	mpickering	do you have any intuition?
2020-04-28 18:52:44	jneira	i've seen similar transient errors building projects (not sure if cabal, stack or both) 
2020-04-28 18:53:02	jneira	in this case, jumping to the file made the error gone
2020-04-28 18:53:36	jneira	i'll take a loom if i see it is reproduced more frequently
2020-04-28 18:53:39	jneira	*look
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2020-04-28 19:33:50	jneira	the th issue is gone with alanz/wip-az
2020-04-28 19:34:56	jneira	hover on `gitHash` even show the actual git hash! amazing
2020-04-28 19:35:15	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/4ca8acbb810fefe7b20f98d5a30c55a0/imagen.png
2020-04-28 19:35:20	jneira	:-D
2020-04-28 19:41:25	mpickering	lol, definitely how it's intended to work ;) 
2020-04-28 19:42:07	mpickering	I am running slightly ahead of this branch now
2020-04-28 19:42:13	mpickering	from my `wip/package-imports` branch
2020-04-28 19:42:22	mpickering	which has a few small usability tweaks as well
2020-04-28 19:42:26	mpickering	let me know any comments you have
2020-04-28 19:43:18	jneira	yeah, i think hie can't handle th very well
2020-04-28 19:43:29	jneira	sure
2020-04-28 19:46:33	wz1000	pretty printing spliced in code on hover would be a nice feature
2020-04-28 19:49:44	mpickering	sounds possible to implement 
2020-04-28 19:49:55	mpickering	in general the generated code would be very big though
2020-04-28 19:50:02	mpickering	I am seeing ghcide leaks a lot of memory still
2020-04-28 19:50:05	mpickering	need to nail this one next
2020-04-28 19:50:10	mpickering	but very slowly leaking over time
2020-04-28 19:50:31	wz1000	how bad is it on ghc?
2020-04-28 19:51:16	mpickering	LIke not that bad at first but slowly goes up over time
2020-04-28 19:51:25	mpickering	it was using 16gb when I restarted after about 4 hours
2020-04-28 19:52:15	wz1000	quick and dirty solution would be to restart once memory usage goes over X
2020-04-28 19:52:24	wz1000	not very satisfactory though...
2020-04-28 19:52:55	mpickering	I want to add general eventlog based tracing anyway
2020-04-28 19:53:03	mpickering	so debugging this stuff in future is easier
2020-04-28 19:54:17	mpickering	we can trace requests and also things like how big the `Values` map is and eventlog already logs residency
2020-04-28 19:54:24	wz1000	do you think the leak is in ghc or ghcide?
2020-04-28 19:55:54	mpickering	ghcide
2020-04-28 19:59:03	mpickering	Pepe said he thought it was StringBuffers getting leaked
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2020-04-28 20:00:55	mpickering	because they use malloced memory it doesn't show up on the heap profile
2020-04-28 20:01:06	mpickering	but you can measure how many StringBuffer constructors are alive and use that as a proxy
2020-04-28 20:01:23	mpickering	you can upper bound how many you expect to exist at once and see if it's more than that
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2020-04-29 00:06:25	wz1000	I was dreading the merge of my branch of haskell-lsp with alanz:master, since they had diverged by 68 commits, but it was surprisingly trivial. Out of my 3006 changed lines, there was just a single merge conflict
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2020-04-29 00:21:11	mpickering	wz1000: Have you found any bugs with your changes?
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2020-04-29 00:24:48	wz1000	mpickering: yes, in this patch itself lol
2020-04-29 00:24:56	wz1000	not in haskell-lsp though
2020-04-29 00:25:12	wz1000	but lsp-test should become much more nicer
2020-04-29 00:25:35	wz1000	the compiler has stopped me from doing stupid things while working on this patch lots of times
2020-04-29 00:28:16	wz1000	real test will be when clients start using this, since this is just the API, not much opportunity for bugs here
2020-04-29 00:34:32	mpickering	Should make the API much easier to use imo
2020-04-29 00:34:39	mpickering	I was always having to open the docs
2020-04-29 00:35:47	wz1000	yeah, now ghc can tell you exactly what to put
2020-04-29 00:36:00	wz1000	there are lots of subtle variations on lsp types
2020-04-29 00:36:15	wz1000	range, location, position, textdocumentposition etc.
2020-04-29 00:36:26	wz1000	even LSP.List
2020-04-29 00:37:51	wz1000	LocationResponseParams
2020-04-29 00:38:00	Uniaika	hi, is there any need for testers?
2020-04-29 00:38:07	Uniaika	👋 mpickering 
2020-04-29 00:43:42	wz1000	mpickering: do you think I should use TH for these? https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/compare/master...wz1000:singleton-methods#diff-11825aee467f76a34a0e0307b1958583R387
2020-04-29 00:47:55	mpickering	Uniaika: For testing on GHC? or other projects?
2020-04-29 00:48:09	mpickering	For testing on GHC I need to extract some hadrian patches from a long running branch I have
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2020-04-29 00:48:34	mpickering	and there is a somewhat critical bug that I believe fendor was looking into to do with interface files
2020-04-29 00:48:38	mpickering	but shortly yes
2020-04-29 00:48:43	Uniaika	and other projects?
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2020-04-29 00:49:01	mpickering	sure, other projects are good as well 
2020-04-29 00:49:03	Uniaika	(also, is there a hard dependency on ghc versions <= 8.8?)
2020-04-29 00:49:13	mpickering	You can use any GHC version >=8.6
2020-04-29 00:49:19	Uniaika	wonderful
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2020-04-29 00:49:26	mpickering	but the branch is only tested with 8.8 so just fix things if they don't compile :) 
2020-04-29 00:49:40	mpickering	branch is wip/package-imports on my fork
2020-04-29 00:49:49	wz1000	try lazygit for moving parts of patches out of commits to other branches/commits
2020-04-29 00:49:51	Uniaika	can I submit PRs on your fork?
2020-04-29 00:49:55	mpickering	That's the hottest stuff
2020-04-29 00:50:09	mpickering	sure that would be best
2020-04-29 00:50:19	mpickering	I am going to try to sort out the history tomorrow
2020-04-29 00:50:23	Uniaika	mpickering: cue to "Hot Stuff" by Donna Summer
2020-04-29 00:50:27	Uniaika	ok!
2020-04-29 00:50:32	mpickering	as it is the effort of a weekend of quite intense hacking
2020-04-29 00:50:37	Uniaika	wz1000: never heard of it, but I may take a look
2020-04-29 00:50:47	Uniaika	mpickering: haha yeah I know those
2020-04-29 00:51:02	mpickering	wz1000: What am I looking at?
2020-04-29 00:51:30	mpickering	Uniaika: If there is anything which doesn't work as you expect then just say
2020-04-29 00:51:32	wz1000	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XaToVut_hs&feature=youtu.be
2020-04-29 00:51:46	mpickering	You may get told that, that's life for now but there are definitely things which can be tweaked
2020-04-29 00:51:57	mpickering	I mean in your PR
2020-04-29 00:52:07	mpickering	You just linked the whole thing and asked if you should use template haskell
2020-04-29 00:52:36	wz1000	oh, I linked the correct thing actually, github just hides the diff
2020-04-29 00:52:39	Uniaika	mpickering: will do!
2020-04-29 00:52:48	wz1000	here it is: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-lsp/blob/c84e4e0ce6cfacaa28e3ea836ebfb8c9539152e1/haskell-lsp-types/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Types/Message.hs#L387
2020-04-29 00:53:20	fendor	mpickering, you mean that the dependencies should factor into the cache-dir interface, right? yeah I am working on it. Reproducing it, etc...
2020-04-29 00:54:19	mpickering	wz1000: Yes, TH would work well?
2020-04-29 00:54:48	mpickering	fendor: OK thanks, I could reproduce it on generic-lens earlier and also when working on GHC if I open the template-haskell dep
2020-04-29 00:54:56	mpickering	seems quite easy to trigger to me?
2020-04-29 00:55:11	fendor	yeah it is. Just didnt get to it earlier
2020-04-29 00:55:49	mpickering	ah right no worries
2020-04-29 00:55:53	wz1000	that's what I feared... my first time writing non-toy TH, wish me luck
2020-04-29 00:55:57	mpickering	I think with that multi-component will be pretty solid
2020-04-29 00:56:30	Uniaika	mpickering: can I expect GHC-like compilation times on a laptop with an i5 and 8GB of RAM?
2020-04-29 00:56:44	mpickering	oh ghcide?
2020-04-29 00:56:49	mpickering	*of
2020-04-29 00:56:55	mpickering	If is not that heavy
2020-04-29 00:57:06	mpickering	*It
2020-04-29 00:58:25	Uniaika	yes, and cool, thanks!
2020-04-29 00:58:39	Uniaika	(wait, you did want me to hack on ghcide, right? ;)
2020-04-29 00:59:01	mpickering	yeah
2020-04-29 00:59:08	Uniaika	okay
2020-04-29 00:59:23	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/tree/wip/package-imports
2020-04-29 00:59:29	Uniaika	are those changes ported to https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server afterwards
2020-04-29 00:59:32	Uniaika	?
2020-04-29 00:59:54	mpickering	Yeah there is a PR which includes my changes already
2020-04-29 01:01:07	mpickering	not quite as hot though, a day old
2020-04-29 01:01:25	Uniaika	okay, but ghcide is indeed the primary target
2020-04-29 01:01:27	Uniaika	cool
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2020-04-29 01:13:55	Uniaika	mpickering: I've always wondered: how does one use the stack88, stack86 files?
2020-04-29 01:14:49	fendor	Uniaika, renaming to `stack.yaml`? 
2020-04-29 01:15:07	fendor	Or, for installation, `stack build --stack-yaml stack88.yaml`
2020-04-29 01:15:15	alanz_	I am still wondering what the difference between ghcide and hls is. 
2020-04-29 01:15:18	alanz_	tbh
2020-04-29 01:15:26	Uniaika	okay it's the --stack-yaml option, thank you fendor :)
2020-04-29 01:15:49	Uniaika	is there an equivalent of hie-wrapper for ghcide, btw?
2020-04-29 01:15:53	fendor	alanz_, more plugins? Easier to contribute for?
2020-04-29 01:16:06	fendor	Uniaika, no, I dont think so
2020-04-29 01:16:21	Uniaika	hmm, shame.
2020-04-29 01:16:24	Uniaika	thanks!
2020-04-29 01:16:25	alanz_	fendor, that is what I think. But i guess we need to get ghcide stable first.
2020-04-29 01:16:36	alanz_	as it is the engine.
2020-04-29 01:16:44	alanz_	but sometimes I wonder.
2020-04-29 01:17:00	fendor	Uniaika, you are welcome! :)
2020-04-29 01:17:55	fendor	alanz_, In my head, it is the engine and hls provides other complex stuff, such as plugins, eventually plugin loading and so on
2020-04-29 01:18:10	alanz_	fendor, in mine too.
2020-04-29 01:18:16	fendor	when the latter arrives, hls would be, if configured correctly, just be a tiny wrapper around ghcide
2020-04-29 01:18:31	fendor	or a full blown ide with three different formatters
2020-04-29 01:18:49	alanz_	possibly. What worries is me that ghcide becomes the main full-features one, and hls becomes irrelevant
2020-04-29 01:19:07	fendor	I currently, I can not imagine that this happens
2020-04-29 01:19:17	alanz_	I guess we just need to make sure hls has the good install model, and integrate the extra goodies
2020-04-29 01:19:40	fendor	ghcide does not aim to support every plugin imaginable, since this would slow digitial asset down as well, right?
2020-04-29 01:19:50	alanz_	in my mind hls becomes the easy-to-use one, ghcide is for the hard core constrained people
2020-04-29 01:19:57	alanz_	yes
2020-04-29 01:20:04	fendor	I seem to recall, that they do not want to have three formatters in ghcide
2020-04-29 01:20:22	alanz_	do they want any?
2020-04-29 01:20:34	fendor	not sure, but at least this is our feature
2020-04-29 01:20:35	wz1000	ghcide could be seen as replacement for hie-plugin-api
2020-04-29 01:20:42	alanz_	I want the user to be able to decide which of the three to use, and just configure it in
2020-04-29 01:20:54	fendor	yeah, ghcide would be our compiler frontend. Comparable to rust-analyzer
2020-04-29 01:20:57	alanz_	wz1000, yes. 
2020-04-29 01:21:12	alanz_	It is still early days though, I guess. 
2020-04-29 01:28:05	jneira	> in my mind hls becomes the easy-to-use one, ghcide is for the hard core constrained people
2020-04-29 01:28:28	jneira	for me too
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2020-04-29 01:57:00	fendor	ghc is giving me a slight headache. 
2020-04-29 01:57:35	fendor	https://gist.github.com/fendor/bb356eb43843c63d5d2776bab607b81a :(
2020-04-29 01:59:31	mpickering	Hmm seems to be FFI failing?
2020-04-29 01:59:50	fendor	dunno. It seems to be only happening in ghci
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2020-04-29 02:00:43	fendor	how would I go debugging this?
2020-04-29 02:00:46	fendor	-prof?
2020-04-29 02:01:26	fendor	ah... 16 threads to compile a haskell package
2020-04-29 02:01:51	fendor	turning up the fans
2020-04-29 02:07:06	mpickering	I would just stop using windows...
2020-04-29 02:08:35	fendor	:D 
2020-04-29 02:09:44	fendor	on nixos, getCacheDir does not crash
2020-04-29 02:31:04	mpickering	That is a good feature of the OS
2020-04-29 02:31:11	mpickering	I am sure you could make it crash somehow
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2020-04-29 03:00:37	jneira	hadrian is asking me to install a wsl linux distro :-D
2020-04-29 03:02:53	jneira	i think it is a eastern egg from mpickering :-D
2020-04-29 03:03:13	jneira	to make us stop using windows
2020-04-29 03:03:45	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/51c8647758bf275e325275d616e68d70/pasted.txt
2020-04-29 03:04:31	mpickering	I think that is coming from building gmp
2020-04-29 03:04:43	mpickering	I know people do build ghc on windows
2020-04-29 03:05:49	jneira	yeah, running the command configure directly in the msys console works (for now, without asking for wsl distro)
2020-04-29 03:06:08	jneira	with integer-simple?
2020-04-29 03:06:54	mpickering	Not a clue sorry
2020-04-29 03:07:45	jneira	really weird,  fendor, did you build ghc in windows?
2020-04-29 03:07:54	fendor	jneira, nope, sorry, only nixos
2020-04-29 03:08:16	jneira	not sure if it worths open an issue...
2020-04-29 03:10:58	fendor	Might be worth it. At least to find out what is happening
2020-04-29 03:23:28	jneira	yeah, only the title worths it: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/issues/18111
2020-04-29 03:23:44	jneira	"hadrian asks for installing a wsl linux distro in windows" :-D
2020-04-29 03:28:35	fendor	jneira, and this is my report for windows related crashes :) https://github.com/haskell-hvr/cryptohash-sha1/issues/8 
2020-04-29 03:28:47	fendor	which might or might not be bubbled up to ghc
2020-04-29 03:30:59	jneira	cant reproduce :-(
2020-04-29 03:31:05	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/8343843f26985fbcab1355d27463b720/pasted.txt
2020-04-29 03:31:23	jneira	uh sorry
2020-04-29 03:31:31	jneira	i miss the "main-2 part :-D
2020-04-29 03:31:45	jneira	reproduced
2020-04-29 03:32:16	fendor	crashes for you, too?
2020-04-29 03:32:26	fendor	nice.
2020-04-29 03:34:30	jneira	but no for ghc-8.10.1
2020-04-29 03:35:23	jneira	nor ghc-8.8.3
2020-04-29 03:35:25	fendor	yeah, tried, too
2020-04-29 03:35:35	fendor	ok, then I am going to add this to the description
2020-04-29 03:35:43	fendor	thank you for testing 8.8.3! 
2020-04-29 03:36:06	fendor	you were faster :)
2020-04-29 03:36:22	jneira	he
2020-04-29 03:36:50	jneira	ainns
2020-04-29 03:37:02	jneira	well time to sleep, good night!
2020-04-29 03:37:43	fendor	same, good night!
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2020-04-29 11:32:19	mpickering	wz1000: Thanks for the tip about lazygit, looks pretty nice
2020-04-29 11:32:22	mpickering	going to try it today
2020-04-29 11:37:06	mpickering	Goals for today: Making a reproducer of the leak issue using lsp-test and extract my multi-cradle hadrian target out of my megapatch
2020-04-29 11:37:30	mpickering	wz1000: Do you want me to review your megapatch?
2020-04-29 11:37:40	mpickering	It would be good to start trying to make progress to using HieDb in ghcide
2020-04-29 11:38:08	mpickering	We also need to attempt to use your branch so we can merge that
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2020-04-29 11:41:32	wz1000	mpickering: sure, there are still a couple of things I need to fix
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2020-04-29 11:48:27	wz1000	I have a couple of final assignments to finish, but I was planning to integrate HieDb by the end of this weekend
2020-04-29 11:52:07	mpickering	ok sounds promising
2020-04-29 11:52:21	mpickering	bare in mind having a `GetHieFile` rule should probably not exist
2020-04-29 11:52:27	wz1000	why?
2020-04-29 11:52:37	mpickering	because as soon as you have that rule you will end up storing the whole HieFile in memory forever
2020-04-29 11:53:01	mpickering	If you store a path to it, and check freshness that's ok
2020-04-29 11:53:18	mpickering	but you can't store every hie file for all modules in memory at once
2020-04-29 11:53:53	wz1000	hmm. but we also don't want to be reading it from disk everytime
2020-04-29 11:54:12	mpickering	Isn't this the point of HieDb?
2020-04-29 11:55:17	mpickering	at the moment it's ok because you only read from disk for information from modules which are not OfInterest
2020-04-29 11:55:56	wz1000	the point of hiedb is to collate information that spans across hiefiles, like references
2020-04-29 11:56:29	wz1000	a hiefile is pretty much a drop in replacement for SpanInfo
2020-04-29 11:56:37	mpickering	sure if you use it like that
2020-04-29 11:56:47	mpickering	but make sure not to load them for the whole module graph
2020-04-29 11:56:47	wz1000	so we would want it to be in memory for all the opened files
2020-04-29 11:57:27	wz1000	and should be queried via HieDb for the rest of the graph
2020-04-29 11:58:05	mpickering	sounds like a good starting point
2020-04-29 11:58:14	wz1000	How do I make it unload a HieFile when the file in closed in the editor?
2020-04-29 12:01:10	mpickering	At the moment that doesn't happen
2020-04-29 12:01:44	wz1000	is there any way to mark a file as "not interesting" anymore?
2020-04-29 12:01:53	mpickering	Not yet
2020-04-29 12:02:00	mpickering	there is a garbageCollect function which is never called
2020-04-29 12:02:08	mpickering	but I think the shake db may also hold some references
2020-04-29 12:02:32	mpickering	we can try that though as well later
2020-04-29 12:04:25	mpickering	Working on IDEs has taught me a lot more about practical concurrency than I knew before, been on of the most interesting parts
2020-04-29 12:36:07	mpickering	I can reproduce the leak now just using lsp-test
2020-04-29 12:36:21	mpickering	So I have turned on profiling and now going to go to the shop
2020-04-29 12:36:22	mpickering	brb
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2020-04-29 15:08:17	mpickering	wz1000: Do you know what happens to the document version field typically during normal editing?
2020-04-29 15:08:25	mpickering	Is it monotonically increasing or does it reset of saves?
2020-04-29 15:08:42	wz1000	i think it monotonically increases usually
2020-04-29 15:08:49	wz1000	but its editor defined I guess
2020-04-29 15:09:27	wz1000	I don't think resetting is allowed by the spec, but i'll have to check
2020-04-29 15:10:46	mpickering	At least one leak is coming from the PositionMapping
2020-04-29 15:10:57	mpickering	I don't understand why it is so much though
2020-04-29 15:11:07	mpickering	500mb of function closures and 100mb of PositionMapping constructors
2020-04-29 15:11:41	wz1000	position mapping was supposed to be a temporary hack, I don't know how it has stuck around so long
2020-04-29 15:12:43	mpickering	I don't think there's any other solution?
2020-04-29 15:13:19	mpickering	I have to be quite patient to wait until my script gets to about 3000 iterations
2020-04-29 15:13:40	wz1000	it should not be a function closure, but an explicit data structure like a diff
2020-04-29 15:14:03	mpickering	Not sure there should be a difference? 
2020-04-29 15:14:13	mpickering	The function is computed from the diff anyway
2020-04-29 15:14:49	wz1000	also the kliesli composition sort of works, but doesn't preserve all the information we can 
2020-04-29 15:15:01	mpickering	I think the number of PositionMapping constructors is quadratic in the document version
2020-04-29 15:16:07	wz1000	not surprising, relying on function composition means there is little ability to reason about performance
2020-04-29 15:17:53	mpickering	I eta expanded and added some inline pragmas
2020-04-29 15:18:00	mpickering	see if that makes any difference
2020-04-29 15:18:23	mpickering	Takes about an hour to get to 3000 iterations though
2020-04-29 15:18:39	wz1000	what is "current" in ghcide? the new one or the old one?
2020-04-29 15:18:45	wz1000	new I'm guessign
2020-04-29 15:18:52	mpickering	yeah wip/package-imports branch
2020-04-29 15:19:02	wz1000	no, I mean the position map
2020-04-29 15:19:10	mpickering	oh right
2020-04-29 15:19:15	mpickering	where are you looking?
2020-04-29 15:19:23	wz1000	PositionMapping.hs
2020-04-29 15:19:27	mpickering	yeah new
2020-04-29 15:20:06	mpickering	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Fy739PsV/2020-04-29-104956_1920x1080_scrot.png
2020-04-29 15:20:40	mpickering	There's a lot of lists for some reason as well
2020-04-29 15:22:28	wz1000	whats the test?
2020-04-29 15:22:35	wz1000	are you adding to a file with type errors?
2020-04-29 15:23:22	wz1000	wait, it would have to be parse errors
2020-04-29 15:24:05	wz1000	because of -fdefer-type-errors, the position mapping would reset every time the file parses
2020-04-29 15:25:32	mpickering	No I am just adding `fN = ()` 5 times 
2020-04-29 15:25:33	mpickering	saving
2020-04-29 15:25:35	mpickering	and so on
2020-04-29 15:25:55	wz1000	the file compiles just fine?
2020-04-29 15:26:02	mpickering	yeah I get warnings about fN not being used
2020-04-29 15:26:13	mpickering	I have made that mistake before :) 
2020-04-29 15:26:21	wz1000	then position mapping should never build up?
2020-04-29 15:26:45	wz1000	it should reset every time, or ghcide is handling it all wrong
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2020-04-29 15:27:51	mpickering	Why should it reset?
2020-04-29 15:28:04	mpickering	This is why I was asking about decoument version
2020-04-29 15:28:08	mpickering	*document version
2020-04-29 15:28:11	wz1000	why is it maintaining position mappings for every version?
2020-04-29 15:28:18	mpickering	Well what if you request hover
2020-04-29 15:28:24	wz1000	You just need it for the latest version
2020-04-29 15:28:25	mpickering	and find you only have SpanInfos for V1
2020-04-29 15:28:47	mpickering	Then you need to map V1 spans to VK spans
2020-04-29 15:29:08	wz1000	you don't keep span infos for more than one version, right
2020-04-29 15:29:23	wz1000	so no need to keep position mapping for more than one version
2020-04-29 15:29:34	mpickering	You may have completions for V3 as well
2020-04-29 15:29:35	mpickering	and so on
2020-04-29 15:29:46	wz1000	why would you have completions for v3?
2020-04-29 15:29:57	mpickering	why not?
2020-04-29 15:30:06	mpickering	what if v3 was the last version to typecheck
2020-04-29 15:30:16	wz1000	then you would have spans for v3
2020-04-29 15:30:24	mpickering	completions are not built just from spans
2020-04-29 15:30:57	mpickering	I suppose in other words, where is this invariant enforced?
2020-04-29 15:31:02	wz1000	all files typecheck if they parse because of -fdefer-type-errors
2020-04-29 15:31:25	wz1000	so if a file parses, we should throw away all previous position maps
2020-04-29 15:31:28	mpickering	Not true, you can get errors from running TH
2020-04-29 15:32:28	wz1000	ok, at the worst case we should maintain 3 positions maps, if a file typechecks, renames or parses
2020-04-29 15:32:39	wz1000	and if a file typechecks, we throw away all previous position maps
2020-04-29 15:32:57	wz1000	if it renames, we throw away all position maps that don't come from a typecheck
2020-04-29 15:33:01	wz1000	and so on
2020-04-29 15:33:23	wz1000	maintaining a map of versions to positionmaps is just begging for leaks
2020-04-29 15:34:22	mpickering	sure but it should only be linear in number of document versions
2020-04-29 15:34:39	mpickering	Which should not be big enough to worry about
2020-04-29 15:34:57	mpickering	and I don't think your reasoning is very precise, there is no where these invariants are enforced
2020-04-29 15:35:31	mpickering	Something which would be acceptable would be to traverse the `Values` map and find the document versions which are currently in there and delete mappings which are not
2020-04-29 15:37:51	wz1000	thats a separate gc step, while you could be doing housekeeping while changing the map
2020-04-29 15:38:36	wz1000	this was the model in HIE, and I would argue that any deviation from these invariants in ghcide is a bug
2020-04-29 15:39:23	wz1000	unless you can lay out a reasonable scenario otherwise
2020-04-29 15:39:50	mpickering	I mean, it's not a bug, it's just not how it works
2020-04-29 15:40:05	mpickering	There is no coupling between computing SpanInfos and typechecking a module
2020-04-29 15:40:33	wz1000	spaninfos require the results of typechecking?
2020-04-29 15:41:42	mpickering	yes
2020-04-29 15:41:56	mpickering	Here is the situation. You modify a file, it only triggers typecheck
2020-04-29 15:42:18	mpickering	A user requests Hover, gets the stale information from V-k 
2020-04-29 15:42:33	mpickering	and k can be any number < current document version
2020-04-29 15:43:00	wz1000	then when will the stale information be updated?
2020-04-29 15:44:51	wz1000	after the hover?
2020-04-29 15:45:50	mpickering	in the current scheme, after the hover happens an update is requested yes
2020-04-29 15:47:12	wz1000	thats not very ideal
2020-04-29 15:47:40	wz1000	if I paste in a chunk of code and get no type errors, the first time I try go-to definition on it it won't work?
2020-04-29 15:49:37	mpickering	I am pointing out that in general it won't work
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2020-04-29 15:52:15	mpickering	This is after adding INLINE to the toCurrent function https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/NudF5G7C/2020-04-29-112144_1920x1080_scrot.png
2020-04-29 15:52:56	wz1000	its the same?
2020-04-29 15:53:35	mpickering	Now no PositionMapping at least
2020-04-29 15:53:40	mpickering	perhaps that was too small
2020-04-29 15:53:47	mpickering	but these ->HashMap functions are interesting
2020-04-29 15:53:49	mpickering	I would what they are
2020-04-29 15:55:02	wz1000	where do the dips come from?
2020-04-29 15:55:08	wz1000	GC?
2020-04-29 15:55:32	mpickering	oh yeah, those are also new
2020-04-29 15:55:36	mpickering	I have no idea what is happening there
2020-04-29 15:55:44	mpickering	Going to look into these ->HashMap functions
2020-04-29 15:55:44	wz1000	in the previous one also
2020-04-29 15:56:18	mpickering	yeah I have no idea
2020-04-29 15:56:43	wz1000	the dips are there in the first screenshot you shared
2020-04-29 15:57:23	mpickering	yeah but they didn't seem to have as much impact
2020-04-29 15:57:27	mpickering	this profile is slightly shorter though
2020-04-29 15:57:39	wz1000	why did it grow so much after?
2020-04-29 15:57:51	mpickering	"it" being?
2020-04-29 15:58:02	wz1000	allocation
2020-04-29 15:58:09	mpickering	that's what I am trying to work out :) 
2020-04-29 15:58:11	wz1000	in the first one, after the dips
2020-04-29 15:58:26	wz1000	also I really don't like requests returning stale information when new typechecking artefacts are available
2020-04-29 15:58:37	mpickering	If you notice though the PositionMapping stuff ->Maybe ->HashMap HashMap closures are not obeying the dips
2020-04-29 15:58:48	mpickering	wz1000: I already changed this on my branch
2020-04-29 15:58:52	mpickering	so calm down!
2020-04-29 15:59:11	wz1000	what do you do now?
2020-04-29 15:59:23	mpickering	Request `SpanInfos` rather than `TypeCheck` when a file is modified
2020-04-29 16:00:17	wz1000	nice, so no specific scenarios out of the 'general' ones that violate my assumptions can actually happen
2020-04-29 16:02:13	wz1000	why aren't you using eventlog tracing?
2020-04-29 16:02:56	mpickering	for what?
2020-04-29 16:03:22	wz1000	to get markers in the graph
2020-04-29 16:05:09	mpickering	It could be good
2020-04-29 16:05:15	mpickering	but the same thing is happening over and over again
2020-04-29 16:05:24	mpickering	also I think I broke it in eventlog2html 
2020-04-29 16:07:01	wz1000	can it show markers when GC is triggered?
2020-04-29 16:08:20	mpickering	GC is triggered every profiling interval
2020-04-29 16:08:27	mpickering	so it is less useful when profilng
2020-04-29 16:13:23	wz1000	do you want to swap tasks for the day? I can profile ghcide and you can optimize ImageNet hyperparameters
2020-04-29 16:14:57	mpickering	I don't think that is in your interest 
2020-04-29 16:15:57	wz1000	its the same procedure really. Make random changes, rerun the computation and wait for a long ass time to see if it helped. rinse and repeat
2020-04-29 16:16:55	wz1000	at least it is possible to do some limited reasoning about heap allocations 
2020-04-29 16:17:06	mpickering	if we had heap snapshots this would be so trivial
2020-04-29 16:17:14	mpickering	You could just look at it and see exactly what was happening
2020-04-29 16:17:31	wz1000	yeah, I saw some java tooling the other day, made me jealous
2020-04-29 16:21:20	mpickering	It is waiting for someone to implement it really
2020-04-29 16:21:27	mpickering	and then to build tooling around it
2020-04-29 16:24:53	wz1000	would help if that someone could draw a nice salary from Oracle while they're at it
2020-04-29 16:25:24	wz1000	what happened to Marlow's glean thing? can't find any trace of it on the internet beyond that one talk
2020-04-29 16:25:29	mpickering	Yeah but I don't get why no haskell companies have any money for this stuff
2020-04-29 16:25:37	mpickering	Not sure 
2020-04-29 16:26:44	wz1000	I tried talking to him about it at ICFP, didn't have much to say that wasn't in the talk
2020-04-29 16:27:54	mpickering	answer then is probably not a lot
2020-04-29 16:31:04	wz1000	after 4 hours finally figured out the right place to insert a zero to get a decent accuracy!
2020-04-29 16:32:01	mpickering	sounds like you need some heap snapshotting as well
2020-04-29 16:33:17	wz1000	how would that help? I just changed the learning rate lol
2020-04-29 16:33:30	wz1000	am I a data scientist now?
2020-04-29 16:34:43	mpickering	higher the better imo
2020-04-29 16:34:51	mpickering	I ran the profile for 20 minutes missing a `>`
2020-04-29 16:36:02	mpickering	also my branch of GHC is finally starting to work
2020-04-29 16:36:06	mpickering	after months
2020-04-29 16:36:08	mpickering	good week so far
2020-04-29 16:36:40	wz1000	nice. So TTH won't suck in 8.12?
2020-04-29 16:37:17	mpickering	Wouldn't go that far, it may be sound finally
2020-04-29 16:37:37	mpickering	I can compile examples like `[|| show @Int . read ||]` now
2020-04-29 16:37:42	mpickering	which would fail bfore
2020-04-29 16:38:57	wz1000	nice. can it do [||show @a . read||] or is that impossible?
2020-04-29 16:39:27	mpickering	Literally just tried that
2020-04-29 16:42:28	mpickering	I would paste you the code but I can't work out how to paste from the terminal
2020-04-29 16:42:55	mpickering	The type is `CodeC (Show a), CodeC (Read a) => Code (String -> String)`
2020-04-29 16:44:41	wz1000	nice, and CodeC is automatically resolved like Typeable?
2020-04-29 16:45:34	mpickering	`CodeC` is like `Code` but for constraints
2020-04-29 16:46:03	mpickering	So if you have a constraint `Show a @ 2` then you can infer `CodeC (Show a) @ 1`
2020-04-29 16:46:29	mpickering	because constraints get desugared to value lambda you have to treat them the same as values
2020-04-29 16:48:45	wz1000	@ is regular application?
2020-04-29 16:49:04	mpickering	No it's a new syntax I invented which indicates the level of a constraint
2020-04-29 16:49:22	mpickering	The top-level is level 1
2020-04-29 16:49:27	mpickering	and splices descrease the level
2020-04-29 16:49:29	mpickering	quotes increase it
2020-04-29 16:49:41	wz1000	ah
2020-04-29 16:49:49	mpickering	so if you use `Show a` inside a quote, it emits `Show a @ 2`
2020-04-29 16:50:03	wz1000	so all constraints need a level now?
2020-04-29 16:50:07	mpickering	which is satisfied by `CodeC (Show a) @ 1`
2020-04-29 16:50:13	mpickering	indeed so
2020-04-29 16:51:39	wz1000	did you add -fprint-explicit-levels?
2020-04-29 16:59:01	mpickering	at the moment it's a feature, they are always printed
2020-04-29 17:01:10	mpickering	I think it was a bit of a tactical error during my PhD to not advertise multi-stage programming more
2020-04-29 17:01:30	mpickering	as I don't think people really know what I research as I don't blog or give talks about it
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2020-04-29 17:16:21	wz1000	avoid success at all costs
2020-04-29 17:18:08	wz1000	not to bikeshed, but couldn't @ be confusing as it is already overloaded at the type level?
2020-04-29 17:21:34	mpickering	I actually print `Show a 1`
2020-04-29 17:21:36	mpickering	;)
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2020-04-29 17:22:57	wz1000	does level polymorphism make any sense?
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2020-04-29 17:28:37	mpickering	all functions are level polymorphic automatically as leveling is completely internal to a functin
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2020-04-29 19:43:00	mpickering	I am trying lazygit Zubin but the UI is better hard to use
2020-04-29 19:43:10	mpickering	quite a steep learning curve
2020-04-29 19:45:00	mpickering	and I keep accidently exiting the program by pressing esc too many times
2020-04-29 19:52:57	wz1000	I found it quit natural, using vim keys to navigate and using the help menu whenever I wanted to do something
2020-04-29 19:53:11	wz1000	you can press enter on commits to select a particular
2020-04-29 19:53:13	wz1000	file
2020-04-29 19:53:22	mpickering	Yeah but I get confused about space vs enter
2020-04-29 19:53:35	wz1000	and then mark changes in that file with space
2020-04-29 19:53:47	mpickering	My commit modifies over 100 files
2020-04-29 19:54:11	mpickering	WHat I wanted to do was show the diff of all commits against the base commit
2020-04-29 19:54:18	mpickering	and then extract my hadrian changes into a new commit
2020-04-29 19:54:25	mpickering	turned out it was easier to squash first
2020-04-29 19:55:32	wz1000	wouldn't a git diff <base-commit> in your working tree suffice?
2020-04-29 19:58:41	mpickering	then how do I get the changes into a new commit?
2020-04-29 19:58:43	mpickering	I have done it now
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2020-04-29 21:30:36	mpickering	fendor: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/merge_requests/3177
2020-04-29 21:30:56	mpickering	Couldn't find you to @ on the MR
2020-04-29 21:32:49	fendor	mpickering, very nice! Actually I should just be fendor
2020-04-29 21:32:52	fendor	like on github
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2020-04-29 21:36:55	mpickering	ah I will add you to the GHC project then
2020-04-29 21:39:05	fendor	thank you :)
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2020-04-29 22:00:09	jneira	jummm i had to install ubuntu in wsl to make hadrian works :-(
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2020-04-29 22:00:47	jneira	i have not been able to convince it to use msys2 instead
2020-04-29 22:05:03	jneira	moreover i have to install the c toolchain in ubuntu cause it doesn't find gcc... running it from the msys2 console!
2020-04-29 22:05:06	jneira	weird
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2020-04-29 22:18:01	alanz_	wz1000, mpickering what is this lazygit thing?
2020-04-29 22:22:06	mpickering	It's a TUI for git
2020-04-29 22:22:17	alanz_	ok
2020-04-29 22:22:43	alanz_	so I will stick with magit in emacs then. I thought it might be decent git support in vscode
2020-04-29 22:23:21	mpickering	Zubin is too much of a leet hacker for vscode I think
2020-04-29 22:23:48	mpickering	Fixed three space leaks in ghcide today (if this one worked)
2020-04-29 22:24:51	wz1000	I tried using vscode with vim bindings, but they didn't work very well
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2020-04-29 22:25:16	mpickering	once I fixed undo they work ok for me
2020-04-29 22:25:21	mpickering	but I am never using advanced commands
2020-04-29 22:25:32	wz1000	any new profiles to share?
2020-04-29 22:25:38	wz1000	"fixed undo"?
2020-04-29 22:26:04	mpickering	I make the position map linear now
2020-04-29 22:26:07	mpickering	just profiling that
2020-04-29 22:26:15	wz1000	how?
2020-04-29 22:26:23	mpickering	wz1000: https://github.com/VSCodeVim/Vim/issues/2007
2020-04-29 22:28:42	wz1000	I quit vim and am now using this: http://kakoune.org/
2020-04-29 22:29:07	wz1000	its vim but better. and developing muscle memory was surprisingly easy, since its so similar to vim
2020-04-29 22:29:49	wz1000	it reverses the "verb-object" structure of vim to "object-verb", so you actually see what you are operating on. dw becomes wd and so on
2020-04-29 22:29:52	alanz_	wz1000, I have heard good things about that
2020-04-29 22:30:28	alanz_	The one mental block I have is its invocation as "kak". In Afrikaans that's not a very nice thing. And I know Afrikaans :)
2020-04-29 22:31:05	mpickering	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7I3XVngt/2020-04-29-180042_3840x1080_scrot.png
2020-04-29 22:31:19	wz1000	I couldn't change my muscle memory of typing vim in the shell, so I aliased vim=kak lol
2020-04-29 22:31:33	alanz_	that makes sense.
2020-04-29 22:31:43	mpickering	need to rebind print screen to something more sensible than just `scrot`
2020-04-29 22:31:51	alanz_	Personally I have too much emacs memory. evil mode, but not much else
2020-04-29 22:33:38	wz1000	did you really decrease memory usage by 3 orders of magnitude? what am I looking at here?
2020-04-29 22:34:05	mpickering	This is just `->Maybe` closures
2020-04-29 22:34:26	mpickering	I will do another `-hy` now
2020-04-29 22:34:28	wz1000	there were 5G of those?
2020-04-29 22:34:32	mpickering	yeah
2020-04-29 22:34:41	mpickering	after about 5000 edits of the same file
2020-04-29 22:34:50	wz1000	holy shit
2020-04-29 22:34:55	wz1000	how did you fix it?
2020-04-29 22:35:26	mpickering	I used `mapAccum` rather than `map` so that each position map is built from the prior one
2020-04-29 22:35:37	mpickering	which means all the tails are shared
2020-04-29 22:35:56	wz1000	nice fix
2020-04-29 22:36:41	wz1000	how many edits is the new profile?
2020-04-29 22:36:54	mpickering	quite a lot
2020-04-29 22:37:03	mpickering	I need to do `-hy` to check I didn't do anything stupid
2020-04-29 22:38:06	mpickering	9600 edits
2020-04-29 22:38:20	mpickering	the other one may have been more, perhaps 20000 edits
2020-04-29 22:38:49	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/commit/f31743523d892139daf542abd8854f0fc72b63d2
2020-04-29 22:39:16	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/commit/f31743523d892139daf542abd8854f0fc72b63d2#diff-9f3c72df87c6e40a0ab15d33001d156cR1108
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2020-04-29 22:56:47	wz1000	mpickering: the 'of interest' files are just those that have been opened, right?
2020-04-29 22:57:20	mpickering	yeah
2020-04-29 22:57:50	mpickering	Going for a run now, so we'll see if my computer runs out of memory first or I get back first
2020-04-29 22:57:55	mpickering	ghcide vs mattp
2020-04-29 23:00:22	alanz_	:)
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2020-04-29 23:57:26	mpickering	The good news is the profile doesn't show much leaking
2020-04-29 23:57:36	mpickering	the bad news is htop was reporting 16gb of memory usage
2020-04-29 23:58:47	Uniaika	woopsie.
2020-04-30 00:00:27	mpickering	The heap profile only showed about 2gb
2020-04-30 00:00:47	Uniaika	not sure if you need more lazyiness or less laziness…
2020-04-30 00:00:54	wz1000	where is the rest?
2020-04-30 00:01:43	wz1000	ghcide also litters my /tmp with junk
2020-04-30 00:02:21	mpickering	wz1000, this is what I was worried about originally
2020-04-30 00:03:01	wz1000	there is 394M of junk in my /tmp because of ghcide
2020-04-30 00:03:13	mpickering	what is it?
2020-04-30 00:03:49	wz1000	mostly ghc_N.h files
2020-04-30 00:04:33	wz1000	ok, a single one of these directories is responsible for 384M 
2020-04-30 00:05:20	mpickering	what is in them?
2020-04-30 00:05:24	mpickering	Are you using template haskell?
2020-04-30 00:05:57	wz1000	yes
2020-04-30 00:06:22	wz1000	http://78.47.113.11/2020-04-30-000450_grab.png
2020-04-30 00:06:49	mpickering	interesting
2020-04-30 00:06:56	wz1000	in the left column you see all the other junk
2020-04-30 00:07:13	wz1000	but that is all 10M altogether
2020-04-30 00:07:34	wz1000	the directory with the .o files is most of it by weight
2020-04-30 00:07:35	mpickering	It should clean it up when the session ends
2020-04-30 00:08:11	wz1000	I do sometimes pkill ghcide, but not this often
2020-04-30 00:08:27	mpickering	I need to bring my object files changes into my branch
2020-04-30 00:08:32	mpickering	that may help the matter
2020-04-30 00:11:38	wz1000	also hundreds of bios-wrapper files
2020-04-30 00:12:21	mpickering	right
2020-04-30 00:12:41	mpickering	at least you can see that leak
2020-04-30 00:19:44	wz1000	I rebased my hie file branch on your latest and it seems to be working well
2020-04-30 00:26:44	mpickering	nice I want to rework the scheduler a bit
2020-04-30 00:26:51	mpickering	but shoudn't be an issue on small projects
2020-04-30 00:28:02	wz1000	what is the problem?
2020-04-30 00:37:14	mpickering	if typechecking takes a long time then there can get a bit of a backlog 
2020-04-30 00:37:23	mpickering	if you also have a lot of reverse dependencies
2020-04-30 00:37:30	mpickering	so other actions like go to definition end up blocking
2020-04-30 00:37:34	mpickering	now really sure why actually 
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2020-04-30 01:20:07	alanz_	stack 2.3.1 is out
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2020-04-30 01:54:34	wz1000	mpickering: I get "Unrecognized section 'library'" from the cabal.project on your branch. which version of cabal should I be using?
2020-04-30 01:55:14	wz1000	I'm on 3.2
2020-04-30 01:55:56	mpickering	that should work?
2020-04-30 01:56:04	mpickering	What does the cabal.project look like?
2020-04-30 01:57:16	wz1000	it works, it just gives a warning
2020-04-30 01:57:29	mpickering	oh perhaps it does for me as well then
2020-04-30 01:57:37	wz1000	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/blob/wip/package-imports/cabal.project
2020-04-30 01:57:49	mpickering	it should probably be `package shake`
2020-04-30 01:58:18	mpickering	tomorrow I am going to try to sort out the history on my branch 
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2020-04-30 02:26:31	alanz_	mpickering, if I want to use your setup on ghc, I need to use ghcide, which branch?
2020-04-30 02:27:16	mpickering	I am using wip/package-imports and it is quite stable
2020-04-30 02:27:33	mpickering	you also need the MR I made today 
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2020-04-30 02:28:54	alanz_	on GHC?
2020-04-30 02:29:11	alanz_	I just finished rebasing my wip/az/exactprint branch.
2020-04-30 02:29:35	alanz_	Time to start working on tests for it, where speed will be useful
2020-04-30 02:30:04	mpickering	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/commits/wip/hadrian-multi-comp
2020-04-30 02:30:42	mpickering	The biggest issue with the branch is you get some slowness from propagating changes to parent modules
2020-04-30 02:30:53	mpickering	so if that is a problem then comment out the bit which does that in FileStore.hs
2020-04-30 02:31:03	mpickering	that is the main reason I want to rework the scheduling of actions a bit
2020-04-30 02:31:29	alanz_	ok.  
2020-04-30 02:32:07	mpickering	The bit which propagates to parents is called `typecheckParents`
2020-04-30 02:32:39	alanz_	ok
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2020-04-30 02:33:09	alanz_	I may just let that hit master, then rebase and give it a go
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2020-04-30 02:34:46	mpickering	My current focus is eliminating this phantom space leak I was talking about with Ben
2020-04-30 02:34:56	alanz_	ok
2020-04-30 02:35:08	mpickering	So if people want to comment on how it is working I will pick it up at the weekend perhaps after I have found this issue
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2020-04-30 02:36:49	alanz_	o
2020-04-30 02:36:51	alanz_	k
2020-04-30 02:37:54	mpickering	building an 8.8 tree now to get to the heart of the problem..
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2020-04-30 02:44:43	wz1000	building a tree so that you can get to the heart and find the phantom of the heap... imagine explaining this to someone from a hundred years ago
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2020-04-30 02:53:20	mpickering	100 years ago they would have written a song about it
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2020-04-30 02:57:30	alanz_	100 years ago they would have spoken about commonplace things that would make us scratch out heads now
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2020-04-30 13:58:44	mpickering	I have rebased and sorted out the commits into something logical - https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/tree/wip/stale-logic
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2020-04-30 14:15:59	wz1000	oh no, not again
2020-04-30 14:20:11	mpickering	what? :) ?
2020-04-30 14:20:17	mpickering	I even tested each commit built
2020-04-30 14:21:07	wz1000	I rebased my branch on top of yours... for the fourth time in three days
2020-04-30 14:21:25	mpickering	I didn't modify anything
2020-04-30 14:21:33	mpickering	I just rearranged all the commits
2020-04-30 14:21:46	mpickering	If you make your PR work with 8.6 I will just merge it into the branch :)
2020-04-30 14:22:33	wz1000	how, copy hiefile stuff and modify it for 8.6?
2020-04-30 14:24:00	mpickering	I suppose you reimplemented hover though didn't you?
2020-04-30 14:24:13	wz1000	yes
2020-04-30 14:25:17	mpickering	The issue is that a lot of people are still using 8.6
2020-04-30 14:25:30	mpickering	so I think we should still support it
2020-04-30 14:25:35	mpickering	copying the HIE file is one option
2020-04-30 14:26:07	mpickering	otherwise there must be a way to abstract between the HIE files and GetSpanInfo versions?
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2020-04-30 14:27:29	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/ghcide/commit/91d926985e6028602246e973ebee675a764d415e#diff-ebef81a8d287455520ef9de9ca1e19bf
2020-04-30 14:28:02	wz1000	I guess - add a type synonym FileInfo that is HieFile or [SpanInfo]
2020-04-30 14:28:16	wz1000	and then more CPP
2020-04-30 14:29:33	wz1000	tbh my motivation for this was primarily aesthetical - look at the diff for atPoint
2020-04-30 14:30:37	wz1000	keeping both around kinda ruins that effect
2020-04-30 14:31:38	wz1000	I'll try implementing references(via hiedb) and scope aware completions this weekend
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2020-04-30 14:48:21	mpickering	I am using lazygit now to clean up a big patch to GHC
2020-04-30 14:48:23	mpickering	and it is nice for that
2020-04-30 14:48:31	mpickering	because I can go through the diff removing parts really easily
2020-04-30 14:48:56	mpickering	It isn't that good for splitting up commits though because you have to make the new commit at the tip?
2020-04-30 14:49:10	mpickering	rather than after the one you extracted the patch from
2020-04-30 14:49:18	mpickering	and also I like the moving commits up/down stuff
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2020-04-30 21:49:46	lukelau	fendor dxld: hey, i just submitted my dissertation yesterday so im trying to get into the swing of things again. What’s the status of https://github.com/haskell/cabal/pull/6241 ? i’ve just done a rebase of it
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2020-04-30 21:59:27	mpickering	Congratulations lukelau 
2020-04-30 22:00:19	lukelau	Thanks! it was a nice excursion into type theory
2020-04-30 22:02:19	wz1000	mpickering: am I supposed to build hs-speedscope with 8.8?
2020-04-30 22:02:42	mpickering	I don't think there are lots of dependencies?
2020-04-30 22:03:41	wz1000	http://78.47.113.11/ss
2020-04-30 22:03:58	wz1000	ghcup doesn't build with 8.10 either
2020-04-30 22:04:00	mpickering	Ah ghc-events < 0.13
2020-04-30 22:04:42	fendor	lukelau, congrats! I dont have much to say about it, I suppose it needs to be rebased
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2020-04-30 22:05:14	lukelau	fendor: can you give me push access for that branch so i can push the new rebase? or i can create a new pr
2020-04-30 22:05:16	wz1000	mpickering: I should add that constraint?
2020-04-30 22:05:31	mpickering	yeah
2020-04-30 22:05:55	mpickering	lukelau: I will give you access to my fork of ghcide as well in case you need to modify anything there
2020-04-30 22:06:38	lukelau	mpickering: thanks, is that the branch being used for hls?
2020-04-30 22:07:02	wz1000	ghc-events < 0.13 is not compatible with 8.10 either. so I need to use 8.8?
2020-04-30 22:07:02	mpickering	yeah
2020-04-30 22:07:14	mpickering	sounds like it
2020-04-30 22:07:25	fendor	lukelau, sure! I will give you access.
2020-04-30 22:07:44	fendor	What is left to do is fixing formatting, the tests and maybe tidy up the cli flags
2020-04-30 22:09:14	fendor	also maybe bringing it up to speed with target selection. IIRC, there is a lot of code in CmdShowBuildInfo that is copied from other Cmd* files. Dont know if this is subject to bitrot
2020-04-30 22:09:48	mpickering	my patch to make GHC support multi-component ghcide has been merged
2020-04-30 22:10:00	mpickering	so it should work without any special configuratin
2020-04-30 22:13:16	fendor	I am so excited to explore the ghc code-base with an ide! 
2020-04-30 22:18:36	mpickering	I need to find this leak still
2020-04-30 22:18:38	mpickering	proving to be a hard one
2020-04-30 22:19:56	lukelau	fendor: cool, ill comb over that then and address those other comments left by dxld
2020-04-30 22:19:59	wz1000	mpickering: where is GHC.Check from?
2020-04-30 22:20:20	mpickering	Is that pepe's thing?
2020-04-30 22:21:33	fendor	yes, it is pepe's thing
2020-04-30 22:22:41	fendor	lukelau, yes, I think that actually should be enough! 
2020-04-30 22:22:52	fendor	well, fixing the tests is a bunch of work, though
2020-04-30 22:23:16	fendor	maybe adding unit-tests for s-b-i could be nice as well
2020-04-30 22:25:15	fendor	also improving the interface, so it can be used for our exact use-case in hie-bios
2020-04-30 22:25:22	fendor	giving us the option, given the filepath
2020-04-30 22:25:29	fendor	actually, I think that ought to just work
2020-04-30 22:25:58	fendor	at least current target selectors can map filepaths to components, and dumping that component info is what we need
2020-04-30 22:26:01	lukelau	im trying to call it from hie-bios at the moment, just to see what its like
2020-04-30 22:26:39	fendor	It dumps json, I think you should be able to just to `cabal show-build-info ctype:foo`
2020-04-30 22:27:05	fendor	maybe a filepath works as well? E.g. `cabal show-build-info File.hs`? Assuming File.hs exists in a component
2020-04-30 22:27:46	fendor	mpickering, thank you for chiming in for https://github.com/haskell/cabal/pull/6623 
2020-04-30 22:27:53	fendor	maybe it will actually get merged
2020-04-30 22:28:59	mpickering	I was afraid of getting shut down a bit
2020-04-30 22:29:11	lukelau	fendor: passing a file also seems to work 
2020-04-30 22:29:36	fendor	lukelau, awesome! Then the basic use-case already works
2020-04-30 22:30:03	lukelau	first, i need to figure out whats going on with the hie-bios bios-tests on my machine
2020-04-30 22:30:16	lukelau	im getting some sort of pipe error when running then 😬 
2020-04-30 22:30:30	mpickering	great job chaps
2020-04-30 22:30:42	mpickering	lukelau: Have you heard of the memory issue I am trying to debug?
2020-04-30 22:30:53	lukelau	i think i saw your tweet about it?
2020-04-30 22:30:59	lukelau	thanks for the shoutout
2020-04-30 22:31:06	mpickering	ah that was the easy part
2020-04-30 22:31:12	mpickering	I fixed all the space leaks visible in the profile
2020-04-30 22:31:23	mpickering	but GHC still leaks space but you can't see it in the heap profile
2020-04-30 22:31:23	fendor	mpickering, yeah, it is really hard to even get a bug-fix merged :/
2020-04-30 22:31:37	lukelau	mpickering: is it leaking space somewhere in the rts itself then?
2020-04-30 22:31:51	lukelau	or is the profiling just not reporting it
2020-04-30 22:32:03	lukelau	sounds pretty nasty either way
2020-04-30 22:33:10	wz1000	mpickering: why did you do this lol: https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/pull/3/files#diff-28f32c11fe144f9c551dca1c6c75e723L296
2020-04-30 22:34:15	fendor	nobody needs compats :D 
2020-04-30 22:35:36	fendor	did anyone notice that ghcide doesnt compile with +ghc-lib?
2020-04-30 22:36:50	mpickering	wz1000: Well I suspect it might not work on 810
2020-04-30 22:37:01	mpickering	because there was a lot of refactoring in code around that area
2020-04-30 22:38:35	wz1000	ok, but that definition is completely wack. I spent an embarrassing amount time staring at the error message before I realised you were calling getPackageName recursively 
2020-04-30 22:39:37	mpickering	could have asked me :) 
2020-04-30 22:39:51	mpickering	This is good preparation for one day having to fix bgamari's broken code
2020-04-30 22:40:47	bgamari	mpickering, you say that as if bgamari produces some other kind of code
2020-04-30 22:42:16	bgamari	that was supposed to be a self-burn; it ended up just being word soup
2020-04-30 22:42:34	mpickering	It was a good one
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2020-04-30 22:52:28	alanz_	mpickering, wip/static-logic
2020-04-30 22:52:33	alanz_	is it ready for hls?
2020-04-30 22:52:41	mpickering	indeed
2020-04-30 22:52:42	alanz_	and I can use it on ghc?
2020-04-30 22:52:47	mpickering	yep that is what I am using
2020-04-30 22:53:09	mpickering	I still have not redone the scheduling so it could be better but working generally well
2020-04-30 22:53:12	alanz_	nice. I saw you posting something on twitter earlier, presumably about this
2020-04-30 22:53:15	alanz_	ok
2020-04-30 22:53:40	alanz_	btw, I think I persuaded the erlang_ls guys to go with effectively a hie-bios concept for erlang :)
2020-04-30 22:53:59	mpickering	was it hard? does erlang also have 50 build tools?
2020-04-30 22:54:11	alanz_	cross-fertilisation is cool
2020-04-30 22:54:37	alanz_	anything that has lived for a long time and been used in real world products has a ton of weird build issues
2020-04-30 22:55:25	alanz_	and same issues, some standardisation of build tools (rebar3), but also raw makefile, bazel, other homegrown stuff
2020-04-30 22:56:16	mpickering	The main benefit I think is you program against a clear interface
2020-04-30 22:56:29	lukelau	fendor: i think something funky is going on with GHC.load’ AllTargets on ghc 8.10.x
2020-04-30 22:57:07	lukelau	going to see if its something to do with how hie-bios is setting up the session or just something with ghc itself
2020-04-30 22:57:43	fendor	lukelau, what is happening, does the load fail?
2020-04-30 22:57:55	alanz_	mpickering, 100% agree. Separation of concerns
2020-04-30 22:58:29	lukelau	It gets stuck in a loop and prints “lost signal due to full pipe: 11” over and over
2020-04-30 22:59:02	fendor	lukelau, in hie-bios? 0.o 
2020-04-30 22:59:02	fendor	brb
2020-04-30 22:59:05	lukelau	might be something to do with my ghc installation
2020-04-30 22:59:05	lukelau	yeah
2020-04-30 22:59:13	lukelau	im going to see if this also happens with a script
2020-04-30 22:59:17	lukelau	outside of ghc bios
2020-04-30 22:59:18	mpickering	lukelau: None of that GHC API code is used in ghcide
2020-04-30 22:59:19	lukelau	*hie bios
2020-04-30 22:59:22	mpickering	so it is not that important anymore
2020-04-30 22:59:51	lukelau	mpickering: somethings going wrong somewhere anyway so i might as well try and figure wha
2020-04-30 22:59:53	lukelau	*what it is
2020-04-30 23:04:16	alanz_	has anyone looked at stack 2.3.1? does it work with any of our stuff
2020-04-30 23:04:17	alanz_	?
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2020-04-30 23:10:54	alanz_	mpickering, I have just checked out ghc master, tossed _build and hadrian/dist-newstyle. What else should I clean? .hie-bios?
2020-04-30 23:11:01	alanz_	.hadrian?
2020-04-30 23:11:04	mpickering	yeah .hie-bios
2020-04-30 23:11:27	mpickering	I would run the hie-bios script first to check it's humming along
2020-04-30 23:11:35	alanz_	ok. Just installed your ghcide, going to build master and try it, then see how rebasing my branch fares
2020-04-30 23:11:41	mpickering	`HIE_BIOS_OUTPUT=test ./hie-bios ghc/Main.hs`
2020-04-30 23:11:42	alanz_	ok
2020-04-30 23:12:08	 *	alanz_ captures that in a note
2020-04-30 23:35:56	fendor	alanz_, nope, stack is annoying me too much :/
2020-04-30 23:36:24	alanz_	I also figure I would give it a week or two to stabilise out there first
2020-04-30 23:42:55	jneira	hey i am trying to setup hadrian\hie-bios.bat
2020-04-30 23:43:25	jneira	(i could install ghc after deactivating the wsl feature)
2020-04-30 23:44:29	jneira	whenever i redirect something (even "") to %HIE_BIOS_OUTPUT%, hie-bios throws an encoding error
2020-04-30 23:44:42	mpickering	What is the error?
2020-04-30 23:44:54	jneira	PS D:\dev\ws\haskell\ghc> hie-bios debug ghc\Main.hs
2020-04-30 23:44:55	jneira	hie-bios.exe: Cannot decode byte '\xa0': Data.Text.Internal.Encoding.streamDecodeUtf8With: Invalid UTF-8 stream
2020-04-30 23:45:22	jneira	i think i got that error before, some time ago
2020-04-30 23:45:47	jneira	i tried to set utf-8 encoding with chcp 65001
2020-04-30 23:46:18	jneira	and i checked that with chcp 65001 the script writes utf8 only chars correctly
2020-04-30 23:48:16	jneira	mi idea was fix direct cradle to execute auto windows executables so `hie-bios` would look for `hie-bios.exe`, `hie-bios.bat` or `hie-bios.cmd`
2020-04-30 23:48:32	jneira	s/or/and
2020-04-30 23:48:43	mpickering	jneira: I think on windows there is a reason we use a haskell program as the wrapper
2020-04-30 23:49:13	jneira	yeah
2020-04-30 23:49:42	jneira	but make a wrapper exe for hadrian/hie-bios... would be a good idea?
2020-04-30 23:50:34	jneira	it is a little bit annoying for final users to have to make wrapper exe instead a quick script
2020-04-30 23:50:38	mpickering	yeah sure
2020-04-30 23:50:45	mpickering	How does your idea help?
2020-04-30 23:51:37	jneira	well, it would be nice to make dos scripts work at first
2020-04-30 23:52:15	jneira	and be able to have both scripts but only one hie.yaml
2020-04-30 23:54:34	jneira	maybe it is a little bit tricky, but in windows executables must have an extension,  right? 
2020-04-30 23:56:32	mpickering	there are already different scripts for windows/unix for building ghc
2020-04-30 23:56:36	mpickering	so having another one seems fine to me
2020-04-30 23:56:49	mpickering	getting anything working is an improvement over the last 25 years
2020-04-30 23:57:02	mpickering	Think about it, no one has ever used an IDE when working on windows, you may be the first
2020-04-30 23:57:30	wz1000	haskell IDE you mean?
2020-04-30 23:57:31	jneira	:-D
2020-04-30 23:57:48	jneira	yeah my plan was test hls with ghc
2020-05-01 00:03:00	mpickering	I have now insrumented stgMallocBytes, with me luck
2020-05-01 00:04:56	 *	fendor crosses fingers
2020-05-01 00:08:07	 *	jneira toca madera :-P
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2020-05-01 01:20:51	alanz_	mpickering, working for me, on ghc
2020-05-01 01:21:39	mpickering	gooood
2020-05-01 01:23:58	alanz_	ghcide wip/stale-logic https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/fNbHTmVt/Screenshot%20from%202020-04-30%2020-51-23.png
2020-05-01 01:26:22	alanz_	mpickering, except there is a problem, which I think is in the pic.  I updated the definition for XCmdLamCase in Expr.hs (top left), but there is an error for it being a mismatch, bottom left
2020-05-01 01:27:04	alanz_	so it doesn't pick up transitive dependency changes?
2020-05-01 01:27:10	mpickering	it should
2020-05-01 01:27:16	mpickering	might take a little while to propagate
2020-05-01 01:27:41	mpickering	someone needs to write in some tracing so we can look at logs of this stuff
2020-05-01 01:28:21	alanz_	ok. Because Expr.hs goes into GHC.hs, or something, eventually into PostProcess.hs
2020-05-01 01:28:43	mpickering	I can say it has been working for me the last few days
2020-05-01 01:28:48	mpickering	but sometimes there is a bit of lag
2020-05-01 01:28:56	mpickering	because there sometimes 500 modules to compile
2020-05-01 01:29:02	alanz_	except its a legit error, compiling via hadrian. Hmm.
2020-05-01 01:29:19	alanz_	I gave it lots of time, and this path is short. Think it is my problem :)
2020-05-01 01:32:23	alanz_	and I fix the problem in the one buffer, the squiggle goes away in the dependent one. Nice
2020-05-01 01:32:58	alanz_	mpickering, I could get used to this :)
2020-05-01 01:37:42	alanz_	now all we need it to go from generated Parser.hs back to Parser.y :)
2020-05-01 01:40:10	mpickering	and fix the horrific memory leak
2020-05-01 01:40:48	alanz_	in reverse order
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2020-05-01 02:45:06	mpickering	I am wondering if this leak could be to do with profiling
2020-05-01 02:45:20	mpickering	currently at 800 iterations and <3gb memory still
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2020-05-01 02:58:29	mpickering	alanz_: How has your memory usage been?
2020-05-01 02:59:00	alanz_	I have not actually monitored it
2020-05-01 02:59:23	alanz_	and been working on ghc, hls, and one or two other things at the same time
2020-05-01 02:59:33	alanz_	I have 32G, no signs of strain
2020-05-01 03:00:02	alanz_	and I am just wrapping up rebasing my hls branch on your wip/stale- branch
2020-05-01 03:00:23	mpickering	wip/stale-branch now has a logical commit history
2020-05-01 03:00:49	mpickering	so when that is stable we can make a "hls" branch which we obey proper PR discipline to if you like
2020-05-01 03:01:29	alanz_	mpickering, did you change locationsAtPoint in AtPoint.hs?
2020-05-01 03:01:43	alanz_	sounds good.
2020-05-01 03:02:14	alanz_	I need to clean mine up a bit. Probably recreate it from scratch, it is carrying a lot of baggage from rushed multi-commit rebases
2020-05-01 03:02:15	mpickering	I changed the type of the continuation perhaps?
2020-05-01 03:02:30	alanz_	-locationsAtPoint getHieFile = querySpanInfoAt (getSpan . spaninfoSource)
2020-05-01 03:02:31	alanz_	+locationsAtPoint getHieFile _ideOptions pos =
2020-05-01 03:02:31	alanz_	+    fmap (map srcSpanToLocation) . mapMaybeM (getSpan . spaninfoSource) . spansAtPoint pos
2020-05-01 03:02:31	alanz_	   where getSpan :: SpanSource -> m (Maybe SrcSpan)
2020-05-01 03:03:12	alanz_	is the diff. the top one is in your branch. I don't recall changing it, so I think the bottom one (with the +) is just a rebase artifact
2020-05-01 03:03:23	mpickering	yeah top one looks right
2020-05-01 03:03:33	mpickering	I changed it when implementing goto type definition
2020-05-01 03:03:36	alanz_	ok, will go with it. Its what I expect
2020-05-01 03:04:57	alanz_	and the sum total of my changes wrt your branch seems to be updating to a later hie-bios, and adding a percentage for progress
2020-05-01 03:05:21	alanz_	because cocreature landed the other ones, that I had made PRs for
2020-05-01 03:05:44	mpickering	yes I rebased onto master as well
2020-05-01 03:06:45	alanz_	I saw. making progress :)
2020-05-01 03:07:07	mpickering	I think there is still some small leak but probably not worth worrying about
2020-05-01 03:07:19	mpickering	I don't know what was happening earlier to cause some bad problems
2020-05-01 03:08:38	alanz_	I saw a "sleep 3 hours, kill" suggestion earlier :)
2020-05-01 03:14:10	mpickering	If we get some good metrics into the editor
2020-05-01 03:14:12	alanz_	just pushed my updated hls branch
2020-05-01 03:14:24	mpickering	then if people complain we can ask for those logs
2020-05-01 03:14:38	mpickering	when people complained about hie it was impossible to analyse what was happening
2020-05-01 03:17:48	alanz_	I think it is a good idea
2020-05-01 03:17:49	mpickering	fendor: You have to reload ghci anyway if you modify the .cabal file?
2020-05-01 03:18:07	alanz_	and we should generalise it, to use the telemetry messages in the protocol
2020-05-01 03:18:42	mpickering	what do you mean?
2020-05-01 03:18:46	mpickering	telemetry messages?
2020-05-01 03:18:48	mpickering	is that an LSP thing?
2020-05-01 03:18:59	alanz_	yes
2020-05-01 03:19:20	alanz_	https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specifications/specification-current/#telemetry_event
2020-05-01 03:19:28	fendor	mpickering, reloading is fine, but I dont know how we write the meta-data changes from script.hs to the fake-package.hs
2020-05-01 03:20:16	fendor	*fake-package.cabal
2020-05-01 03:20:20	alanz_	And https://github.com/microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues/962 https://github.com/microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues/350
2020-05-01 03:20:36	mpickering	You start ghci again?
2020-05-01 03:21:12	fendor	mpickering, not the optimal solution, imo! also, stack manages to do it, it must be possible somehow
2020-05-01 03:21:43	mpickering	So if you add a new package dependency then stack somehow deals with that?
2020-05-01 03:22:06	mpickering	alanz_: That first link is useless documentation ha
2020-05-01 03:22:14	mpickering	LSP documentation is a bit like this, lacking content
2020-05-01 03:22:37	alanz_	I know. Thats why I pasted that issue, asking for clarity
2020-05-01 03:22:55	alanz_	and there is an earlier proposal (#350) for bug reporting, but on mobiles
2020-05-01 03:23:37	fendor	mpickering, yeah looks like it. I tested with at least texxxt
2020-05-01 03:23:40	fendor	*text
2020-05-01 03:23:52	mpickering	I'm not sure how that's possible
2020-05-01 03:23:53	alanz_	LSP documentation is the minimal thing, then you have to look at the innards of vscode to see what is actually happening, a lot of the time
2020-05-01 03:24:03	mpickering	Zubin was saying he thought they were deliberately vague
2020-05-01 03:24:23	mpickering	like, what's the difference between an implementation, interface and definition
2020-05-01 03:24:26	mpickering	🤷
2020-05-01 03:24:51	mpickering	I am calling victory on this memory issue I think. Any complaints let me know.
2020-05-01 03:25:17	Uniaika	mpickering: I've got a complaint. You're too damn good at what you do. :P
2020-05-01 03:25:55	mpickering	That's a nice thing to say
2020-05-01 03:26:00	mpickering	I've just been doing it for a long time
2020-05-01 03:26:02	alanz_	if anyone wants it via hls, it is in https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/79
2020-05-01 03:26:17	alanz_	which I have just started playing with as my "Standard" hls
2020-05-01 03:26:23	jneira	nice
2020-05-01 03:26:44	mpickering	jneira: Let me know if you need some help getting hls working on ghc tomorrow
2020-05-01 03:26:53	mpickering	a tweet about this would be nice if you get it working
2020-05-01 03:26:53	fendor	alanz_, that's the latest and greatest? *greedily checks out repo*
2020-05-01 03:27:24	alanz_	fendor, yes. I flagged you for a review, keen to merge as soon as we kick the tyres. Keep the thing rolling
2020-05-01 03:27:36	fendor	Will do, thanks! 
2020-05-01 03:27:45	alanz_	you and jneira 
2020-05-01 03:28:14	jneira	mpickering: sure
2020-05-01 03:28:32	jneira	ok
2020-05-01 03:29:02	alanz_	one thing Ive noticed in myself, I am back on cabal full time as my go-to build system
2020-05-01 03:30:08	fendor	same. But for me is probably the main reason, that nixos and stack do really not play well together
2020-05-01 03:30:39	alanz_	I guess we need to start updating the readme etc on hls, to say what it is, what it does, how to use it, how it is different from ghcicd
2020-05-01 03:30:41	alanz_	e
2020-05-01 03:31:19	alanz_	I see ghcide as the "hardcode minimal" which will always work against the bleeding edge ghc, and other esoteric things.
2020-05-01 03:31:35	alanz_	and hls as the comfort model built on top, but taking longer to update
2020-05-01 03:32:38	fendor	but also providing more features. And ironically, currently way more responsive on feature requests :) 
2020-05-01 03:32:54	fendor	I started some experimental hacking on a hlint plugin
2020-05-01 03:33:07	alanz_	nice
2020-05-01 03:33:21	alanz_	"comfort model" means new features
2020-05-01 03:33:41	fendor	is it the right approach that we need to compile some-time against ghc-lib, similar to hlint? Or is that the wrong way?
2020-05-01 03:34:02	alanz_	fendor, there was some discussion around that. My takeaway is
2020-05-01 03:34:39	alanz_	that the ghc-lib approach needs some cabal ghc version trickery to work
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2020-05-01 03:35:08	fendor	I copied the trickery from hlint
2020-05-01 03:35:08	alanz_	and I figured we should maybe just get it in, as a copy of the hie one, first
2020-05-01 03:35:25	alanz_	ok, if you have it in hand, then no problem
2020-05-01 03:35:40	fendor	I am trying to implement it as a diagnostics provider first, then implement code-actions
2020-05-01 03:35:42	alanz_	it comes down to having source imports if the ghc doesnt match. or does match
2020-05-01 03:35:48	alanz_	cool
2020-05-01 03:36:48	alanz_	I am toying with going into eat our own dogfood mode on hls.  Specify a standard formatter (ormolu), and insist that everything goes through it
2020-05-01 03:36:55	alanz_	what do you think?
2020-05-01 03:37:20	alanz_	and perhaps doing the thing ghcide does with hlint, and project-specific checks, that can break ci
2020-05-01 03:37:58	jneira	code actions are one of the features with more appelaing
2020-05-01 03:38:12	fendor	alanz_, personally I like that idea, although I am not sure how the community in general reacts to it
2020-05-01 03:38:23	alanz_	jneira, I am talking about the CI context for the project
2020-05-01 03:38:34	alanz_	not features we put in. Code actions are right up there
2020-05-01 03:38:41	alanz_	and decently formatted hover info
2020-05-01 03:39:02	alanz_	and monomorphic types as well as the general one on hover
2020-05-01 03:39:29	fendor	did pointsAt change into an IO function? that would trivialise the monomorphic type
2020-05-01 03:39:58	alanz_	no idea
2020-05-01 03:40:22	alanz_	all I know is that hie has it, hls not
2020-05-01 03:40:41	fendor	yesss, it did
2020-05-01 03:40:42	alanz_	mpickering, should that hls branch be able to work against ghc?
2020-05-01 03:40:55	alanz_	:)
2020-05-01 03:42:35	alanz_	mpickering, my hls branch works against ghc too :)
2020-05-01 03:42:39	alanz_	as it should, of course
2020-05-01 03:45:03	mpickering	It's good we are now at a point where more than just me expect tools to work on GHC
2020-05-01 03:45:14	fendor	huh, actually it didnt. Welp, have to change some stuff
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2020-05-01 04:50:43	jneira	i am trying the hls pr with the hie-bios and hover output is faster than the server log line about the hover request
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2020-05-01 11:28:58	mpickering	jneira: With --verbose or not?
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2020-05-01 13:39:30	mpickering	ghcide feels amazing working on ghcide now
2020-05-01 13:39:39	mpickering	It is so fast..
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2020-05-01 13:54:47	jneira	mpickering: without it, it is like lightning, congrats
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2020-05-01 14:12:29	mpickering	This morning I implemented some improvements to the scheduler
2020-05-01 14:12:44	mpickering	will test them throughout today
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2020-05-01 19:57:38	fendor	who knew, cabal-scripts are broken
2020-05-01 19:57:48	fendor	*cabal's script feature
2020-05-01 19:58:15	mpickering	What's the specification?
2020-05-01 19:58:37	fendor	I suppose there is none. It accepts all executable stanzas fields, but doesnt work with most of them
2020-05-01 19:58:48	lukelau	fendor: it accepts all?
2020-05-01 19:58:51	fendor	yeah
2020-05-01 19:58:58	lukelau	i thought it was basically build-depends and a few others
2020-05-01 19:59:02	fendor	other-modules, main-is, hs-source-depends
2020-05-01 19:59:03	lukelau	or did they get around to adding more?
2020-05-01 19:59:11	fendor	no, they are just re-using the parser
2020-05-01 19:59:18	lukelau	nice
2020-05-01 19:59:19	fendor	none of these fields really do anything
2020-05-01 19:59:27	lukelau	yeah main-is is kinda pointless lol
2020-05-01 19:59:51	lukelau	does it support with-compiler now?
2020-05-01 20:00:04	fendor	no
2020-05-01 20:00:17	fendor	that is a cabal.project field, iric
2020-05-01 20:00:21	fendor	*iirc
2020-05-01 20:00:24	fendor	but I am working on it
2020-05-01 20:00:44	fendor	just adding the parser of cabal.project and then writing that to cabal.project in a temp dir seems sensible to me
2020-05-01 20:00:53	lukelau	indeed
2020-05-01 20:00:56	lukelau	theres a pr here
2020-05-01 20:00:57	lukelau	https://github.com/haskell/cabal/pull/6310
2020-05-01 20:01:01	lukelau	but it was just manually adding in the field
2020-05-01 20:01:18	lukelau	im not sure what the current status is with parsing, and it got blocked by a need to add versioning to the scripts
2020-05-01 20:01:31	fendor	oh, I totally forgot about that! I even added a reaction :D 
2020-05-01 20:01:36	lukelau	lol
2020-05-01 20:02:17	lukelau	fendor: is this writing the cabal.project to that temppkg dir thing that the scripts create?
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2020-05-01 20:03:36	fendor	lukelau, looks like it yeah https://github.com/haskell/cabal/pull/6310/files#diff-8d14b9d56cda7ae1e525d20419626782R453
2020-05-01 20:03:52	fendor	btw, totalyl forgot to give you push access to the s-b-i pr
2020-05-01 20:04:06	lukelau	no wait i meant about the parsing stuff youre working on
2020-05-01 20:04:17	lukelau	oh no worries, i havent done much on it since
2020-05-01 20:05:23	lukelau	I spent most of yesterday trying to upgrade ghc to 8.10 on homebrew
2020-05-01 20:05:31	mpickering	fendor: Don't over complicate this patch, you don't need to fix every bug in cabal
2020-05-01 20:05:36	fendor	just making myself familiar with the overall architecture of the script infrastructure
2020-05-01 20:05:40	mpickering	lukelau: That sounds traumatic
2020-05-01 20:05:51	lukelau	if you thought hie’s CI times were bad https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/runs/633677800
2020-05-01 20:06:16	lukelau	and the worst part is is that github actions doesn’t let you stream the logs when they get too alrge
2020-05-01 20:06:56	fendor	mpickering, I know. But there are just so many low hanging fruits there >_<
2020-05-01 20:07:36	fendor	lukelau, invited you as a collaborator for cabal
2020-05-01 20:07:52	lukelau	thanks
2020-05-01 20:07:59	lukelau	will push the rebase
2020-05-01 20:08:38	mpickering	So lukelau are you finished for the summer now or do you have exams still?
2020-05-01 20:09:15	lukelau	ive got one more assignment due in a couple of weeks, but everything else is done
2020-05-01 20:10:15	lukelau	are you still working on your phd?
2020-05-01 20:11:41	mpickering	yeah
2020-05-01 20:11:43	mpickering	believe it or not
2020-05-01 20:12:11	lukelau	haha, how many more years/months do you have left?
2020-05-01 20:12:14	mpickering	that's why ghcide is improving because I need it when working on ghc to finish this implementation
2020-05-01 20:12:17	mpickering	hopefully not that many
2020-05-01 20:12:17	mpickering	2?
2020-05-01 20:12:27	lukelau	give or take a few years?
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2020-05-01 20:37:00	jneira	i think i get hie-bios to work with .bat files
2020-05-01 20:37:16	mpickering	without modifying the library?
2020-05-01 20:37:20	jneira	nope
2020-05-01 20:37:58	jneira	in windows the file pointed by HIE_BIOS_OUTPUT is locked by hie-bios, and the script cant write init
2020-05-01 20:38:24	jneira	i changed the lib to no lock the temp file
2020-05-01 20:38:35	mpickering	What do you mean it's locked?
2020-05-01 20:38:43	mpickering	you mean it keeps a handle open to the file?
2020-05-01 20:38:53	jneira	yeah
2020-05-01 20:39:09	mpickering	Is it a RW handle?
2020-05-01 20:39:17	jneira	in readProcessWithOutputFile
2020-05-01 20:39:32	jneira	it seems so... 
2020-05-01 20:39:55	jneira	withSystemTempFile "bios-output" $ \output_file h -> do
2020-05-01 20:40:18	jneira	in windows... in nix it works fine
2020-05-01 20:42:07	jneira	i change it to use a temp file and read the handle after calling the process
2020-05-01 20:42:18	jneira	and it works
2020-05-01 20:43:50	mpickering	I believe you
2020-05-01 20:43:52	mpickering	so it works on ghc now?
2020-05-01 20:44:14	jneira	next step!
2020-05-01 20:44:41	jneira	the encoding error is not thrown if you dont write anything in the script to stdout
2020-05-01 20:45:52	mpickering	ok..?
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2020-05-01 20:54:02	jneira	well, i would like to fix it too but i can use it as is to test ghc
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2020-05-01 20:56:04	mpickering	yeah get it working first
2020-05-01 20:56:07	mpickering	and then tweet
2020-05-01 20:56:11	mpickering	then I will retweet
2020-05-01 20:56:16	mpickering	and then we can fix it properly
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2020-05-01 22:47:15	wz1000	mpickering: can you help me understand this bit? https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/commit/393c9e44c38a80efb800b3ace9b56bbb21f569d5#diff-577493016dcc9e7196c120eb18138dacR199
2020-05-01 22:47:36	mpickering	Sure, what's the question?
2020-05-01 22:48:03	mpickering	Ah I made a mistake there it should be GetSpanInfo rather than TypeCHeck
2020-05-01 22:48:33	wz1000	yes, that was what I was concerned about
2020-05-01 22:48:41	mpickering	That's for spotting it
2020-05-01 22:49:23	mpickering	*thanks
2020-05-01 22:51:11	wz1000	also why did you remove shake from the cabal project? are your changes not needed anymore?
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2020-05-01 22:52:04	mpickering	ah my changes are not needed no
2020-05-01 22:52:16	mpickering	I am not sure if yours are
2020-05-01 22:52:30	mpickering	I want to look at the eventlog for this branch, I tried adding some telemetry but it sucks
2020-05-01 22:52:44	mpickering	shake runs the finaliser in a different capability which messes up the trace
2020-05-01 22:54:02	wz1000	didn't you change the 'after' actions to have access to the database?
2020-05-01 22:54:32	mpickering	yeah I did but don't use that anymore
2020-05-01 22:55:00	mpickering	Now any shake action is added into the `ShakeQueue` defined in `Shake.hs`
2020-05-01 22:55:25	mpickering	and there is a worker thread which reads from the queue and starts up shake
2020-05-01 22:55:36	mpickering	so if you want something to run after you just add it into this queue
2020-05-01 22:55:48	wz1000	hmm
2020-05-01 22:55:56	mpickering	the issue with runAction was because the actions were not guaranteed to get run if the action was killed
2020-05-01 22:56:14	mpickering	there is now the invariant that all actions added into the queue are eventually run
2020-05-01 22:56:35	wz1000	how do you do cancelations?
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2020-05-01 22:57:46	mpickering	Look at the definition of `ShakeQueue`, the `workerThread` function and `shakeRunInternalKill`
2020-05-01 22:59:33	mpickering	There is an abort action which `workerThread` creates when it starts the job
2020-05-01 22:59:42	mpickering	when `shakeRunInternalKill` is called it calls the abort action
2020-05-01 23:00:00	mpickering	the abort action checks which tasks have finished and requeues the ones which didn't
2020-05-01 23:00:02	mpickering	which is indicated by the barrier
2020-05-01 23:02:12	mpickering	If you don't understand it then I need to write more comments or make the code clearer
2020-05-01 23:05:12	wz1000	no, it makes sense now that I've skimmed over the code
2020-05-01 23:05:55	mpickering	I want to add some tracing to the eventlog to check it's doing what we think and keeping track of how many times actions are retried and so on
2020-05-01 23:06:46	alanz_	erlang version of hie-bios: https://github.com/erlang-ls/erlang_ls/blob/master/specs/runtime_node.md
2020-05-01 23:07:17	wz1000	makes sense
2020-05-01 23:09:36	mpickering	alanz_: Nice job
2020-05-01 23:11:31	wz1000	I'm trying to figure out how lsp CancelRequests interact with the ShakeQueue
2020-05-01 23:11:50	mpickering	At the moment, they don't
2020-05-01 23:12:02	mpickering	but whether they should is a question
2020-05-01 23:12:13	wz1000	the shake action is raced against the cancellation it seems like
2020-05-01 23:12:31	mpickering	because basically all requests should return instantly right? 
2020-05-01 23:12:51	wz1000	yeah
2020-05-01 23:12:54	jneira	jumm it makes me remind the build server protocol, that has been proposed in hls, hie-bios,etc
2020-05-01 23:12:56	mpickering	After the request returns, then we the value is recomputed in case it changed
2020-05-01 23:13:25	mpickering	So the cancellation could only cancel this delayed recomputation
2020-05-01 23:13:30	wz1000	but if it is queued up and cancelled, we should probably not try to compute it in the first place
2020-05-01 23:14:10	mpickering	I think there is a bug in go to definition somewhere
2020-05-01 23:14:12	wz1000	does that make sense?
2020-05-01 23:14:25	wz1000	what?
2020-05-01 23:14:43	mpickering	yeah I see your point
2020-05-01 23:15:25	mpickering	You would need to make a map from the LspId to the ActionId somehow so you can delete it from the queue
2020-05-01 23:15:37	mpickering	It seems to block if you use it when some other typechecking is happening
2020-05-01 23:16:04	mpickering	You can notice it on GHC but not on small projects because typechecking is too fast
2020-05-01 23:16:18	mpickering	I tried to program it so it would wait 1 second and then fail 
2020-05-01 23:17:09	wz1000	program what?
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2020-05-01 23:17:24	mpickering	go to definition
2020-05-01 23:17:46	wz1000	why?
2020-05-01 23:17:54	mpickering	and also I think code actions are still using `runAction` 
2020-05-01 23:18:15	mpickering	which I don't know whether that's good or not
2020-05-01 23:18:27	wz1000	yeah I noticed that with code actions running a -fprof-auto build of ghcide today
2020-05-01 23:18:38	wz1000	since it makes everything super slow
2020-05-01 23:18:53	mpickering	wz1000: In case you are missing the hie file for the defn you are trying to jump to
2020-05-01 23:19:03	mpickering	there is some logic to generate it
2020-05-01 23:19:27	mpickering	I am not sure my changes there are correct to the hie file generation 
2020-05-01 23:19:38	mpickering	but I found a few places which were comparing modification times in a suspect manner
2020-05-01 23:19:46	wz1000	hmm. I think a better idea would be to generate all hie files at boot
2020-05-01 23:19:53	mpickering	as they were comparing VirtualFile versions against disk times
2020-05-01 23:20:01	wz1000	ah
2020-05-01 23:20:38	mpickering	so there is still something fishy in the hie file stuff there
2020-05-01 23:20:45	wz1000	I'll take a look at this stuff tomorrow if you don't get to it before
2020-05-01 23:20:48	mpickering	because now it compares disk time of file vs disk time of hie file
2020-05-01 23:21:00	mpickering	but how can you know if the hie file on disk it up to date?
2020-05-01 23:21:17	mpickering	I am feeling quite wiped out so I am just going around telling people to try it out
2020-05-01 23:21:29	mpickering	not sure I will do any programming tomorrow but will be here to answer Qs
2020-05-01 23:21:49	mpickering	Another thing to think about is what the right number of actions to take on the worker thread is at once
2020-05-01 23:22:04	mpickering	the more you choose, the longer it takes but the less repeated work you do 
2020-05-01 23:23:30	mpickering	Last thing, can you check you agree with my implemention of the hover map now? https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/commit/b2c6c3d2860169e858126ff2437e2689f2752a59#diff-9f3c72df87c6e40a0ab15d33001d156cR1115
2020-05-01 23:23:36	mpickering	I had to think a lot about it to get the order correct
2020-05-01 23:23:39	mpickering	so may have got it wrong
2020-05-01 23:23:47	wz1000	why is this batching necessary? I don't understand the repeated work thing
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2020-05-01 23:25:19	mpickering	Ok batching is good firstly because shake will parallise the work better with its own pool 
2020-05-01 23:25:24	mpickering	which you already know about
2020-05-01 23:25:45	mpickering	secondly if you have two modules A and B near the top of the tree which depend on nearly everything
2020-05-01 23:26:02	mpickering	if you put TC A and TC B in the same batch, it will check for freshness of all dependencies only once
2020-05-01 23:26:17	mpickering	so you share all that work
2020-05-01 23:27:31	wz1000	but you have to wait for the entire batch to send out responses?
2020-05-01 23:27:42	mpickering	No
2020-05-01 23:27:57	mpickering	Barries are created for everything in the batch
2020-05-01 23:27:58	wz1000	then why do you say it takes longer?
2020-05-01 23:28:19	mpickering	not sure I follow
2020-05-01 23:28:44	wz1000	"the more you choose, the longer it takes but the less repeated work you do"
2020-05-01 23:29:21	wz1000	why not take everything in the batch?
2020-05-01 23:29:30	mpickering	That's why the number n is 500
2020-05-01 23:29:35	wz1000	yeah
2020-05-01 23:29:39	wz1000	whats the downside?
2020-05-01 23:29:51	mpickering	Ah that if you queue up something important whilst a long batch is running
2020-05-01 23:29:59	mpickering	then you have to wait until the batch finished before you start it
2020-05-01 23:30:21	wz1000	oh, makes sense
2020-05-01 23:30:46	wz1000	never been really sure how to pick magic numbers
2020-05-01 23:30:54	mpickering	Which is why I want some metrics to work out what works well
2020-05-01 23:30:59	mpickering	it could also be application dependent
2020-05-01 23:31:16	mpickering	So we may want to dynamically scale it depending on queue size and how long each batch is taking
2020-05-01 23:31:48	wz1000	or some arcane logic that looks at the dependency tree?
2020-05-01 23:33:12	wz1000	you could do something like count wait times due to inversions, and dynamically scale according to that
2020-05-01 23:34:18	mpickering	I think for anything < 300 modules it will not matter that much
2020-05-01 23:34:35	mpickering	for example ghcide is very fast with high batch number because none of the requests take a long time and block
2020-05-01 23:38:05	wz1000	these kinds of problems remind me of control theory... guess its time to bust out the calculus textbooks
2020-05-01 23:38:21	lukelau	jneira: hi, do you know if there’s any issues with ghc-8.8.3 on windows?
2020-05-01 23:38:34	lukelau	some ci is failing for hie-bios https://ci.appveyor.com/project/mpickering/hie-bios/builds/32588351/job/wh8gnjy2sfnbqj9g
2020-05-01 23:38:39	lukelau	but 8.8.1 seemed to be ok
2020-05-01 23:54:21	wz1000	mpickering: best way to find these kinds of problems with position mapping stuff is to just test it out. If something is wrong it quickly becomes apparent
2020-05-01 23:54:42	mpickering	ok, see my latest PR as well
2020-05-01 23:54:55	mpickering	I think that's a nice way to clarify what should be going on
2020-05-01 23:55:12	wz1000	yeah, I saw
2020-05-01 23:55:14	mpickering	it would be nice to be able to index the mapping with which versions they were mapping from/to then you couldn't go wrong
2020-05-01 23:56:09	wz1000	yes
2020-05-01 23:56:11	mpickering	fendor: what is the point of this fake package stuff?
2020-05-01 23:56:30	mpickering	Can't you get cabal to invent the right arguments and pass them directly to ghc?
2020-05-01 23:56:43	mpickering	same for running the script
2020-05-01 23:57:27	wz1000	I still think a middleware that sits in between translating positions is the ideal solution. the position mapping stuff really obscures ide logic, and is easy to forget/mess up
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2020-05-01 23:57:57	wz1000	maybe haskell-lsp could do it
2020-05-01 23:58:03	wz1000	it has a VFS anyway
2020-05-01 23:58:04	fendor	mpickering, I think with the fake-package stuff, it is easier to use the existing machinery
2020-05-01 23:58:24	mpickering	so what is the current code path?
2020-05-01 23:58:26	fendor	but you might be right... Then I wonder why `cabal repl -b` and cabal run are usign it
2020-05-01 23:58:35	mpickering	it always annoyed me
2020-05-01 23:58:51	mpickering	What currently happens right if you make a cabal file in memory
2020-05-01 23:58:53	mpickering	write it to a file
2020-05-01 23:59:00	mpickering	then read it back into memory and do something with it
2020-05-01 23:59:20	fendor	yeah
2020-05-01 23:59:29	fendor	maybe Cabal works like that?
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2020-05-02 00:02:32	fendor	but good point, I will look into it
2020-05-02 00:04:32	mpickering	I am looking now
2020-05-02 00:04:34	mpickering	in replAction
2020-05-02 00:04:48	mpickering	https://github.com/haskell/cabal/blob/4b8abaab8ec23303ae8b9fbd128b67eba578c710/cabal-install/Distribution/Client/CmdRepl.hs#L238
2020-05-02 00:04:55	mpickering	Is that not the line which reads the cabal file?
2020-05-02 00:06:34	fendor	I dont think so actually
2020-05-02 00:07:11	fendor	I am not completely clear about the pipeline yet. dont you need an installplanb first?
2020-05-02 00:07:23	fendor	this one? https://github.com/haskell/cabal/blob/4b8abaab8ec23303ae8b9fbd128b67eba578c710/cabal-install/Distribution/Client/CmdRepl.hs#L252
2020-05-02 00:07:54	 *	wz1000 salutes the brave souls who dare to wrestle with the cabal codebase
2020-05-02 00:08:30	jneira	and open a pr with substantial changes!
2020-05-02 00:08:50	jneira	lukelau: i will take a look asap
2020-05-02 00:09:29	mpickering	fendor, I think my line is right
2020-05-02 00:09:34	mpickering	look at the stuff `withProject` returns
2020-05-02 00:09:46	mpickering	If you can invent that and pass it into the rest of the pipeline, it should work?
2020-05-02 00:09:55	mpickering	`ProjectBaseContext` for example
2020-05-02 00:10:14	mpickering	yeah `withProject` looks for the cabal file and so on
2020-05-02 00:10:20	lukelau	jneira: know rush, was just wondering if there were known issues or anything
2020-05-02 00:11:01	jneira	oh, the error is pretty uninformative
2020-05-02 00:11:25	jneira	Failed to build network-bsd-2.8.1.0 (which is required by
2020-05-02 00:11:26	jneira	exe:hie-bios from hie-bios-0.4.0). The build process terminated with exit code
2020-05-02 00:11:26	jneira	11
2020-05-02 00:11:31	jneira	:-/
2020-05-02 00:12:17	fendor	I am wondering if there is any rational for the fake-package stuff
2020-05-02 00:12:41	mpickering	I can't think of any
2020-05-02 00:13:01	mpickering	apart from it was easier than creating all the right information in this massive record :D 
2020-05-02 00:13:03	fendor	*rationale
2020-05-02 00:13:28	mpickering	You may want to put the dist folder into /tmp stuff
2020-05-02 00:13:31	fendor	well, they create the record, right? They only write it to some tmp dir
2020-05-02 00:14:04	mpickering	Do they create this whole record, surely not..
2020-05-02 00:14:20	mpickering	anyway the good part is that if they didn't create it then there must be some default value for it you can use
2020-05-02 00:15:33	mpickering	I would look into this anyway, good luck!
2020-05-02 00:15:45	fendor	thank you :D I am going to ask if there is any rationale
2020-05-02 00:15:54	fendor	since this seems easier and so on
2020-05-02 00:16:02	mpickering	yeah just logged back onto IRC to tell you to do that haha
2020-05-02 00:17:27	fendor	thanks :)
2020-05-02 00:36:16	lukelau	jneira: yeah the logs are pretty mysterious. i think ill just revert the windows ci back to 8.8.1
2020-05-02 00:53:18	dxld	lukelau: I didn't realise the show-build-info PR is still active :o
2020-05-02 00:53:36	dxld	I thought we merged that ages ago? What am I thinking of?
2020-05-02 00:58:12	fendor	dxld, Cabal part of s-b-i was merged
2020-05-02 00:58:27	dxld	ah, ok
2020-05-02 00:58:28	fendor	dxld, but the cabal-install part never got merged
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2020-05-02 01:10:45	jneira	lukelau: let me try locally to see it it is reproduced
2020-05-02 01:27:38	jneira	oh the error was transient, now is green
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2020-05-02 01:52:36	lukelau	jneira: the error on appveyor?
2020-05-02 01:52:46	jneira	yeah
2020-05-02 01:53:05	lukelau	what the
2020-05-02 01:53:33	lukelau	thank you for blessing the appveyor run with your magical windows powers :D
2020-05-02 01:54:00	jneira	lol 
2020-05-02 01:54:56	jneira	lot of them with stack on windows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2020-05-02 02:49:35	alanz_	anyone opposed to me merging https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/79?
2020-05-02 02:54:12	wz1000	alanz_: I think mpickering has a new branch now
2020-05-02 02:54:31	alanz_	ok, I will take a look in the morning. Moving fast.
2020-05-02 02:55:04	wz1000	it's the default branch now, hls
2020-05-02 02:55:23	wz1000	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide
2020-05-02 02:56:37	alanz_	ok
2020-05-02 02:57:34	alanz_	I always check on the network branch to get a handle on things. nice. 
2020-05-02 02:57:42	alanz_	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/network
2020-05-02 02:57:51	alanz_	network view
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2020-05-02 12:44:22	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/issues/7#issuecomment-622773786
2020-05-02 12:44:36	mpickering	A summary of how we got to this implementation
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2020-05-02 13:29:04	wz1000	mpickering: so the GetHieFile rule should be ok for OfInterest files, right?
2020-05-02 13:29:26	mpickering	yeah I think so
2020-05-02 13:30:05	mpickering	I can say it's definitely not ok for every file
2020-05-02 13:30:09	mpickering	but using more memory for open files is ok
2020-05-02 13:30:17	mpickering	I have been thinking about GC as well 
2020-05-02 13:30:32	wz1000	you didn't push the "wait 1 second" behaviour for go to definition, right?
2020-05-02 13:35:31	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/blob/hls/src/Development/IDE/Core/Rules.hs#L178
2020-05-02 13:35:35	mpickering	That is supposed to be it
2020-05-02 13:35:51	mpickering	The whole `getHomeHieFile` function is suspicious though
2020-05-02 13:35:55	mpickering	needs to be looked into again
2020-05-02 13:36:13	wz1000	yeah, thats what I'm looking at
2020-05-02 13:37:19	wz1000	so if I change typecheck to always generate hie files, that would no longer be required, right? we can just `use_ Typecheck`
2020-05-02 13:38:14	mpickering	not sure you want to do that as it will block diagnostics
2020-05-02 13:38:20	mpickering	whilst the file is being written
2020-05-02 13:38:23	mpickering	which we already know is expensive
2020-05-02 13:40:27	wz1000	so trigger it on GetHieFile?
2020-05-02 13:40:38	mpickering	Would you not change it to use_ GetHieFile?
2020-05-02 13:41:05	mpickering	As if you are there anyway you are about to open the file
2020-05-02 13:41:33	wz1000	yeah
2020-05-02 13:41:45	wz1000	what about generating hie files for the rest of the graph?
2020-05-02 13:42:05	mpickering	That should still be in the same place I reckon?
2020-05-02 13:42:38	mpickering	The GetHieFile function could look on disk first rather than just calling Typecheck
2020-05-02 13:42:49	mpickering	That's how the GetHiFile rule works
2020-05-02 13:42:54	mpickering	And also my object file rule
2020-05-02 13:45:50	mpickering	If you put your code up I can look in a few hours
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2020-05-02 14:00:57	wz1000	mpickering: what do you think of the last question in Pepe's issue? "Would this be needed if the Shake database could handle multiple concurrent computations?"
2020-05-02 14:01:58	mpickering	I am not sure which is why I didn't address it
2020-05-02 14:02:14	mpickering	it makes cancellation more difficult I think
2020-05-02 14:02:36	mpickering	I am imaging a mode to shake where you can feed in a stream of actions rather than a list directly
2020-05-02 14:02:53	mpickering	so you could keep it running the whole time and use it's own scheduling logic
2020-05-02 14:03:07	mpickering	you still don't want hovering to go through that channel though
2020-05-02 14:03:18	wz1000	yeah
2020-05-02 14:04:11	wz1000	also is it even feasible for the database to handle concurrent computations?
2020-05-02 14:06:18	mpickering	Databases in general do?
2020-05-02 14:06:37	mpickering	but I don't think shake is designed that way I think it just has a lock around a map
2020-05-02 14:06:49	mpickering	In C, how can I turn a pointer into a string?
2020-05-02 14:09:59	wz1000	(char *)?
2020-05-02 14:10:15	wz1000	what do you mean?
2020-05-02 14:10:21	mpickering	I mean I have a pointer to an info table
2020-05-02 14:10:26	mpickering	and want to convert that into char *
2020-05-02 14:10:47	wz1000	as in pretty print it?
2020-05-02 14:11:00	wz1000	or just the address?
2020-05-02 14:11:18	mpickering	either is fine I am trying to also print the address of the info table in a heap profile
2020-05-02 14:11:20	wz1000	printf("%d") usually works, but it might be undefined behaviour
2020-05-02 14:11:58	wz1000	%p is the correct way I think
2020-05-02 14:15:36	mpickering	But I want to end up with char *
2020-05-02 14:15:57	mpickering	I have something now I will try
2020-05-02 14:17:12	wz1000	sprintf
2020-05-02 14:18:02	wz1000	sprintf(buffer, "%p", (void *)ptr) should work
2020-05-02 14:18:18	wz1000	buffer is your output char *
2020-05-02 14:19:16	mpickering	thanks
2020-05-02 14:21:24	mpickering	I am playing with a profling mode which only shows you THUNK closures
2020-05-02 14:21:31	mpickering	and gives you bands by the info table pointers
2020-05-02 14:21:48	mpickering	from which you can look in the dwarf information to see directly where they come from
2020-05-02 14:22:21	wz1000	can't it do the lookup in the dwarf itself?
2020-05-02 14:25:00	mpickering	not sure how to do that from within the RTS itself
2020-05-02 14:25:07	mpickering	yeah I could do it from my program
2020-05-02 14:25:07	jneira_[m]	I had to change Hadrian build-cabal script to honour bios script CABLARGS env var
2020-05-02 14:26:02	jneira_[m]	sh script replace it unconditionally too, for windows -v0 was not taken in account
2020-05-02 14:26:32	mpickering	jneira_[m]: Do you mean the build-cabal.bat script?
2020-05-02 14:26:37	jneira_[m]	I wonder how could it work
2020-05-02 14:26:44	mpickering	anyway I am heading out, put your questions in the shake queue for me :D
2020-05-02 14:26:44	jneira_[m]	Yeah
2020-05-02 14:28:09	jneira_[m]	mpickering ∆∆
2020-05-02 14:29:28	jneira_[m]	I was getting "up to date" in compiler args
2020-05-02 14:31:25	jneira_[m]	Not a big deal, only curiosity
2020-05-02 14:32:21	jneira_[m]	More important: the ide get stuck if ghc session fail
2020-05-02 14:32:39	jneira_[m]	No error msg, progress is not cleared
2020-05-02 14:33:10	jneira_[m]	It ouputs the cradle info and stops
2020-05-02 14:33:37	jneira_[m]	It happens for all projects i think
2020-05-02 14:34:07	jneira_[m]	So you have to call ghc manually to see ehst is going on
2020-05-02 14:34:26	jneira_[m]	*what
2020-05-02 14:39:01	jneira_[m]	For example ghc on win doesnt like -I.hie-bios\xxx without quotes
2020-05-02 14:42:05	jneira_[m]	Well maybe the prigramatic ghc session dies not have that problem, it doesnt work with other dir name
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2020-05-02 15:18:33	adamse	mpickering: there is some support for reading dwarf in the rts already, see config flag --enable-dwarf-unwind and rts/Libdw.c
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2020-05-02 15:50:22	alanz_	mpickering, nice summary in response to PePe
2020-05-02 15:50:40	alanz_	I would like to have ndm input on it, especially the last question
2020-05-02 15:51:44	alanz_	and what is the difference between your hls and position-mapping branches? which one should I use in hls?
2020-05-02 16:00:35	wz1000	mpickering: thoughts? https://github.com/wz1000/ghcide/commit/e0f54c0ebda13b084b528847451da66a29b76cdd
2020-05-02 16:05:26	wz1000	I was thinking we could race the uptoDate barrier against IdeActions, so that if the upto date result is computed before the computation using the stale completes, we can rerun the computation with the new result
2020-05-02 16:07:38	wz1000	also, I think I should remove the timestamp checking stuff entirely and just wait for the barrier
2020-05-02 16:10:12	wz1000	no, scratch that
2020-05-02 16:11:06	wz1000	ok, this isn't right because it'll end up loading hie files for everything eventually
2020-05-02 16:12:50	wz1000	might be OK with a GC though? thoughts?
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2020-05-02 16:22:32	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/ghcide/commit/dd69cd6c3ba40e379de8b22ffa001ccc9f46b695
2020-05-02 16:30:08	wz1000	mpickering: I would like to the failure scenario which lead to you adding the timeout
2020-05-02 16:30:32	wz1000	also ghcide doesn't behave well if you edit a file on disk without going through LSP
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2020-05-02 17:09:03	alanz_	wz1000, I think the logic should be to register a file watcher in the client, which then does notify via LSP?
2020-05-02 17:09:25	alanz_	and current master of ghcide does register a huge number of file watchers
2020-05-02 17:16:46	wz1000	mpickering: I'm very confused by how 'loadHieFile' has ever worked
2020-05-02 17:18:30	wz1000	it conjures up a new NameCache
2020-05-02 17:19:24	wz1000	figured it out
2020-05-02 17:19:26	wz1000	    eqName n n' = nameOccName n == nameOccName n' && nameModule_maybe n == nameModule_maybe n'
2020-05-02 17:19:34	wz1000	this seems... less than ideal
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2020-05-02 17:23:19	wz1000	So I figured out how to support go to definition for dependencies
2020-05-02 17:23:50	wz1000	in getPackageHieFile, write out a temporary file if optLocateSrcFile is Nothing
2020-05-02 17:24:23	wz1000	and then delete the temporary file if we get a DocumentClose notification
2020-05-02 17:25:07	mpickering	Ok I am back
2020-05-02 17:25:14	mpickering	jneira: did you get hie-bios working~?
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2020-05-02 17:26:05	wz1000	alanz_: ok, maybe my lsp client doesn't report that stuff properly
2020-05-02 17:26:27	mpickering	adamse: Thanks, I will have a look into it. I think it is quite standard though for a tool to read the dwarf info from the binary I thought?
2020-05-02 17:26:48	mpickering	alanz_: The branch is intended to be `hls` from now on
2020-05-02 17:27:00	mpickering	and we merge in patches using the normal pr workflow
2020-05-02 17:27:06	alanz_	ok, makes sense
2020-05-02 17:27:13	alanz_	thanks
2020-05-02 17:27:50	mpickering	wz1000: If you editor doesn't support file watching then it will work worse
2020-05-02 17:28:04	wz1000	I don't know if it does
2020-05-02 17:28:17	wz1000	doesn't seem like it from looking at the log
2020-05-02 17:28:40	mpickering	I know yesterday I was editing files using lazygit and I could see vscode reacting to the changes
2020-05-02 17:28:46	wz1000	we could add our own fallback if the editor reports it doesn't support this
2020-05-02 17:28:54	mpickering	yes loadHieFile is very dodgy for this precise reason
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2020-05-02 17:33:36	wz1000	mpickering: can we add an IORef NameCache to IdeState?
2020-05-02 17:34:56	adamse	mpickering: i've no idea what is standard :). The rts has a libdwLookupLocation(LibdwSession *session, Location *frame, StgPtr pc) which fills frame with the location information available in the dwarf for the code in the current process, might be pretty low effort to get that working
2020-05-02 17:35:33	mpickering	ok thanks
2020-05-02 17:35:42	mpickering	I already have haskell code in ghc-debug to read dwarf info
2020-05-02 17:35:58	mpickering	so using that vs writing c..
2020-05-02 17:36:09	wz1000	do you think its safe to useE to get the namecache from the hscEnv?
2020-05-02 17:36:22	mpickering	That sounds like a good idea
2020-05-02 17:36:34	mpickering	There should only ever be one name cache for the whole session
2020-05-02 17:36:50	wz1000	yes, but there are multiple sessions, right?
2020-05-02 17:36:50	mpickering	because when a new hscEnv is create the namecache is kept the same anyway
2020-05-02 17:36:58	wz1000	Oh, OK
2020-05-02 17:37:00	mpickering	no it should always be the same
2020-05-02 17:37:04	wz1000	nice
2020-05-02 17:37:57	mpickering	but I prefer this idea of adding it to IdeState
2020-05-02 17:38:11	mpickering	So it's obviously always the same
2020-05-02 17:38:22	mpickering	rather than relying on this non obvious invariant
2020-05-02 17:39:43	wz1000	ok
2020-05-02 17:40:36	wz1000	but concurrent modification is still a problem
2020-05-02 17:41:11	wz1000	there is no way to merge NameCaches
2020-05-02 17:41:41	mpickering	surely it is already modified with atomicModifyIORef
2020-05-02 17:41:49	mpickering	otherwise I would expect a lot of stuff to already be broken
2020-05-02 17:41:59	mpickering	I think I even checked this
2020-05-02 17:42:19	wz1000	readHieFile has type NameCache -> (HieFile,NameCache)
2020-05-02 17:42:43	wz1000	 NameCache -> IO (HieFile,NameCache)
2020-05-02 17:44:31	mpickering	What is the IO for?
2020-05-02 17:44:44	wz1000	to read from disk lol
2020-05-02 17:44:58	mpickering	Oh yeah, which we already patched out..
2020-05-02 17:45:08	mpickering	you are just reading the source file from disk?
2020-05-02 17:45:21	mpickering	because otherwise you can use `updNameCache`
2020-05-02 17:45:52	wz1000	no, to read the hiefile
2020-05-02 17:47:10	mpickering	I think you should be able to use updNameCache anyway and pass an `IORef NameCache` into the function
2020-05-02 17:48:10	wz1000	https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/blob/master/compiler/GHC/Iface/Ext/Binary.hs#L312
2020-05-02 17:48:13	wz1000	this is the issue
2020-05-02 17:48:22	wz1000	we'll have to fork that file also to fix it
2020-05-02 17:49:45	mpickering	 I think so
2020-05-02 17:50:00	mpickering	I am not sure how you can use the current interface correctly
2020-05-02 17:52:43	alanz_	I've just done this for the first time: https://emmanuelbernard.com/blog/2014/04/14/split-a-commit-in-two-with-git/, very useful
2020-05-02 17:53:22	jneira	it seems the ide+hie-bios needs a stage 1 build, but too-args buils only stage 0 (not sure)
2020-05-02 17:54:09	jneira	when running tool-args first time after delete .hie-bios the ghc call fails with 
2020-05-02 17:54:20	jneira	<command line>: cannot satisfy -package-id process-1.6.8.2 (use -v for more information)
2020-05-02 17:54:44	jneira	and effectively the stage0 dir inside .hie-bios does not contain process
2020-05-02 17:55:13	jneira	(i've prepending a `%CD%\hadrian\build-cabal.bat --build-root=_hie-bios --flavour=ghc-in-ghci > nul` in the hie-bios.bat script)
2020-05-02 17:59:12	jneira	It is the first time i build ghc so almost sure i am wrong (or there is another way to make it work)
2020-05-02 18:05:02	mpickering	jneira: It sounds like you have a ghc version mismatch
2020-05-02 18:05:14	mpickering	what version is hls and what version did you configure ghc with?
2020-05-02 18:05:48	alanz_	mpickering, you have non-exhaustive patten matches: https://gist.github.com/alanz/6de9f264c2b4b17c7c5aa4326dbc5e08
2020-05-02 18:05:49	jneira	jumm i have ghc-8.8.3 as default one in path and the log says hls is using that one
2020-05-02 18:06:46	jneira	but the error is thrown if i call ghc on the command line, with the args got from `hie-bios debug`
2020-05-02 18:07:10	mpickering	alanz_: It's because it's a pattern synonym
2020-05-02 18:07:38	mpickering	process should be in your global package database
2020-05-02 18:07:42	alanz_	ok. There is a fix for that, but it needs a later GHC? 
2020-05-02 18:08:04	mpickering	We can add a COMPLETE pragma for it
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2020-05-02 18:08:39	alanz_	mpickering, that would be a good idea. Clean compile without warnings is a lifesaver, long term
2020-05-02 18:09:35	mpickering	jneira: Those options look like you are using a commit of GHC before my most recent changes
2020-05-02 18:09:58	mpickering	https://gist.github.com/mpickering/814b07eec2cd85f51da9dda0a5dcb526
2020-05-02 18:10:02	mpickering	That's what they look like for me
2020-05-02 18:10:47	mpickering	You are right that process is not in that package database
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2020-05-02 18:13:49	jneira	ok can i use actual HEAD or a specific branch?
2020-05-02 18:13:59	mpickering	actual HEAD
2020-05-02 18:14:08	jneira	:+1:
2020-05-02 18:14:08	mpickering	does the normal GHCi target work?
2020-05-02 18:14:23	mpickering	and does it work if you just remove the process package-id
2020-05-02 18:15:08	jneira	i'll try both, it is building stage 1 now (for several minutes)
2020-05-02 18:15:49	jneira	but it should not be needed?
2020-05-02 18:16:22	alanz_	mpickering, you build/test your branch with cabal? so using vanilla shake now?
2020-05-02 18:17:03	mpickering	I am using vanilla shake because I haven't verified how much Zubin's patch helps
2020-05-02 18:17:09	mpickering	I will make an issue
2020-05-02 18:17:35	alanz_	ok, because my hls is stil set up to use it, will keep it that way for now
2020-05-02 18:17:42	mpickering	jneira: I mean it should be needed
2020-05-02 18:18:06	mpickering	if you look in ghc.cabal then you can see it's a dependency
2020-05-02 18:18:46	jneira	ok so i will keep the stage 1 build before the call to args-tool
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2020-05-02 18:19:16	mpickering	ah so it should work because process should be in your global package db
2020-05-02 18:19:31	jneira	that is the script i am using now ^^
2020-05-02 18:19:36	mpickering	What does `ghc-pkg list` say?
2020-05-02 18:19:44	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/BULeXmX2/
2020-05-02 18:20:19	mpickering	That first call to hadrian looks pointless
2020-05-02 18:20:27	mpickering	if the second call doesn't build the right stuff then it's broken
2020-05-02 18:20:31	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/3e3d7d13faded846fc0516f59a50bfb0/pasted.txt
2020-05-02 18:20:59	jneira	process is there
2020-05-02 18:21:22	mpickering	with the wrong version though
2020-05-02 18:22:20	jneira	yeah you are right
2020-05-02 18:23:58	alanz_	get it while its fresh: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/79
2020-05-02 18:24:22	jneira	itis the version of ghc-8.10.1
2020-05-02 18:25:17	jneira	i did a first build with ghc-8.10.1 in _build, i thought it should not affect the .hie-bios one
2020-05-02 18:25:50	mpickering	You need to ./configure again then
2020-05-02 18:25:55	mpickering	then hadrian will use 8.8.3
2020-05-02 18:26:07	mpickering	but you may need to delete .hie-bios subdirectory
2020-05-02 18:26:26	jneira	:+1:
2020-05-02 18:29:58	mpickering	wz1000: Are you going to dump a 3000 line diff on me to review or do you have some incremental changes already for a PR?
2020-05-02 18:30:22	wz1000	mpickering: did you see my commits?
2020-05-02 18:31:01	mpickering	where are they? just on your fork?
2020-05-02 18:31:27	wz1000	I linked them here
2020-05-02 18:31:51	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/ghcide/commit/e0f54c0ebda13b084b528847451da66a29b76cdd
2020-05-02 18:32:01	wz1000	 https://github.com/wz1000/ghcide/commit/dd69cd6c3ba40e379de8b22ffa001ccc9f46b695  
2020-05-02 18:32:08	wz1000	see my comments above while you were gone
2020-05-02 18:36:49	wz1000	mpickering: see this also: https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/ghc/-/merge_requests/3199
2020-05-02 18:36:58	mpickering	Yes I am just looking
2020-05-02 18:37:07	mpickering	I didn't know if those were ready for me to look at
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2020-05-02 18:40:19	mpickering	I will comment on this GHC patch and then look at those then
2020-05-02 18:40:26	wz1000	I wanted your opinion on the approach in those
2020-05-02 18:40:46	mpickering	right I will leave inline commnts
2020-05-02 18:41:44	mpickering	you need to push your haddock change for the PR
2020-05-02 18:42:13	wz1000	done, but it still won't work
2020-05-02 18:43:21	wz1000	can you give me push privileges to haddock?
2020-05-02 18:46:06	mpickering	You can push to gitlab haddock's fork?
2020-05-02 18:46:12	mpickering	I can give you access to that
2020-05-02 18:47:05	wz1000	yeah, that
2020-05-02 18:47:08	mpickering	done
2020-05-02 18:47:18	mpickering	make sure to push it with a wip prefix
2020-05-02 18:48:06	wz1000	remote: You are not allowed to push code to this project.
2020-05-02 18:48:07	wz1000	I did
2020-05-02 18:50:19	mpickering	this is gitlab we are talking about
2020-05-02 18:50:26	mpickering	which remote exactly?
2020-05-02 18:50:40	wz1000	origin https://gitlab.haskell.org/ghc/haddock.git (push)
2020-05-02 18:51:17	wz1000	the email says you gave me access to ghc/ghc
2020-05-02 18:51:48	mpickering	ah one sec
2020-05-02 18:53:03	mpickering	try now
2020-05-02 18:53:43	wz1000	done
2020-05-02 18:53:45	wz1000	thanks
2020-05-02 18:54:58	mpickering	ok so about the GetHieFile rule
2020-05-02 18:55:07	mpickering	why did you not implement it the same was as the GetHiFile rule?
2020-05-02 18:56:43	mpickering	If we recall how that is implemented, it looks for the HieFile at the location on disk, checks it's up to date and if it's not then calls TypeCheck and generates it
2020-05-02 18:57:09	wz1000	so we don't read it from disk if typecheck has loaded it in memory already
2020-05-02 18:58:29	wz1000	I guess it can be optimised to read it from disk if typecheck hasn't loaded it
2020-05-02 18:59:31	mpickering	Are you sure that is worth optimising? 
2020-05-02 19:00:17	mpickering	Unless we need to do it I would avoid it
2020-05-02 19:01:04	wz1000	I mean why take an unnecessary roundtrip through the disk?
2020-05-02 19:01:43	wz1000	also we don't have to deal with updating the NameCache in this particular case then
2020-05-02 19:03:13	mpickering	mainly because it's not how the other artifacts are dealt with
2020-05-02 19:06:29	wz1000	ok, I'll make it like GetHiFile. gtg for a bit, have to make dinner now
2020-05-02 19:08:20	mpickering	I am looking again and it's not bad
2020-05-02 19:08:25	mpickering	I quite like the idea in fact
2020-05-02 19:08:34	mpickering	It could be good to do it for the other artifacts generated as well
2020-05-02 19:09:03	mpickering	So that is you call TypeCheck you get all of the stuff you might need
2020-05-02 19:09:24	jneira	(HscEnvEq 254,fromList [])
2020-05-02 19:09:25	jneira	Consulting the cradle for "D:\\dev\\ws\\haskell\\ghc\\compiler\\GHC\\Types\\SrcLoc.hs"
2020-05-02 19:09:39	mpickering	jneira: Stop, show me the GHC options
2020-05-02 19:09:42	jneira	mpickering you were right (as usual :-D)
2020-05-02 19:09:51	jneira	ok
2020-05-02 19:09:56	mpickering	HscEnvEq 254 is way too big
2020-05-02 19:09:59	mpickering	something is broken
2020-05-02 19:10:26	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/84c41b0862347d18be6bb30f80a60183/pasted.txt
2020-05-02 19:10:27	mpickering	wz1000: I was a bit put off by all the other stuff in the diff but that is mostly irrelevant to the discussion
2020-05-02 19:10:38	mpickering	Right you need to update master
2020-05-02 19:10:45	jneira	i  am opening ghc/Main.hs
2020-05-02 19:10:54	mpickering	Yeah there are no targets listed
2020-05-02 19:11:00	mpickering	so you are using the old hie-bios support
2020-05-02 19:11:15	jneira	that is the latest HEAD
2020-05-02 19:11:36	jneira	i mean i dont have latest HEAD yet
2020-05-02 19:11:40	jneira	pulling
2020-05-02 19:11:54	mpickering	014ef4a3d9ee30b8add9118950f1f5007143bd1c
2020-05-02 19:12:03	mpickering	you need that commit which is about HEAD~10
2020-05-02 19:12:21	jneira	ok
2020-05-02 19:33:14	mpickering	So did that work?
2020-05-02 19:36:25	jneira	i've got a shake error:
2020-05-02 19:36:31	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/1d0456cd3f19fc2f698d6d116317511c/pasted.txt
2020-05-02 19:36:47	jneira	another boot + configure needed?
2020-05-02 19:37:17	jneira	i was running it just in case
2020-05-02 19:37:32	jneira	you know ignorance drives to cargo culting :-P
2020-05-02 19:37:43	mpickering	you need to configure again yes
2020-05-02 19:38:21	jneira	he this time the cargo arrived
2020-05-02 19:39:52	jneira	it is a little bit annoying to have to do it to common (?) tasks like change the ghc used to built
2020-05-02 19:41:40	mpickering	hadrian has a -c flag you can pass to do it automatically
2020-05-02 19:41:50	mpickering	but changing ghc version is not a common thing I do
2020-05-02 19:42:03	mpickering	It is pinned in ghc.nix and I update rarely
2020-05-02 19:42:10	mpickering	I am still using 8.8.1 to boot
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2020-05-02 20:15:27	wz1000	mpickering: so you think it would be ok to use useWithStaleFast' in getHomeHieFile?
2020-05-02 20:15:52	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/312d6ece71a6b2c7733758015dedf2d9/imagen.png
2020-05-02 20:16:03	jneira	:-D
2020-05-02 20:16:21	jneira	it is showing an error though:
2020-05-02 20:16:34	jneira	Could not load module `GhcPrelude'
2020-05-02 20:16:35	jneira	it is a hidden module in the package `ghc-8.8.3'
2020-05-02 20:16:36	mpickering	well done jneira 
2020-05-02 20:16:54	mpickering	wz1000: Well you can either block waiting for it? or just trigger it to be built and return Noting
2020-05-02 20:17:01	mpickering	where is the file in the tree jneira ?
2020-05-02 20:17:37	jneira	Env.hs-boot compiler\GHC\Unit\Module
2020-05-02 20:26:34	mpickering	wz1000: It's not clear to me what the correct behaviour is
2020-05-02 20:26:36	mpickering	so pick one
2020-05-02 20:26:40	mpickering	and write a clear comment explaining the specification
2020-05-02 20:29:02	mpickering	jneira: I don't understand that error, does GhcPrelude actually exist?
2020-05-02 20:35:01	wz1000	mpickering: the problem is that a definition request doesn't necessarily mean the file will be OfInterest later, so it breaks that invariant
2020-05-02 20:35:39	mpickering	If you request definition, then you either go to the file or open peek?
2020-05-02 20:35:42	mpickering	which also opens the file
2020-05-02 20:35:48	wz1000	Also, do you know how I can trigger the behaviour that led to you adding the timeout thing
2020-05-02 20:35:58	wz1000	open peek opens the file?
2020-05-02 20:36:10	mpickering	yeah, you get IDE features still?
2020-05-02 20:36:35	wz1000	ok. so we might as well wait for the barrier without a timeout?
2020-05-02 20:37:03	mpickering	I am really not sure
2020-05-02 20:37:18	mpickering	The situation I was testing was in generic-lens
2020-05-02 20:37:41	mpickering	it was a multi-component setup where the goto definition was failing because the names of the modules were not lining up
2020-05-02 20:37:55	mpickering	one was fake_uid and the other was generic-lens-core
2020-05-02 20:38:05	mpickering	because the HIE file was generated before it became part of the component
2020-05-02 20:38:50	wz1000	ok, I'll try to reproduce a similar situation and test it out
2020-05-02 20:39:10	mpickering	You can use generic-lens quite easily but you need this hie.yaml one sec
2020-05-02 20:39:19	mpickering	then I opened two files 
2020-05-02 20:39:23	mpickering	one which defined gshow
2020-05-02 20:39:28	mpickering	and another in another component which used gshow
2020-05-02 20:39:40	mpickering	this is also where I noticed the timestamp comparision was wonky
2020-05-02 20:40:09	mpickering	https://gist.github.com/e1625f25bbd4c02564fd863eb455aed3
2020-05-02 20:40:58	mpickering	So I opened generic-lens/src/Data/Generics/Product/HList.hs
2020-05-02 20:41:03	wz1000	instead of timestamp comparision for virtual documents, we can compare file contents directly
2020-05-02 20:41:21	mpickering	It is comparing a hie file and the source file
2020-05-02 20:41:30	mpickering	you mean the source file from the hie file?
2020-05-02 20:41:34	wz1000	yes
2020-05-02 20:41:47	mpickering	that sounds expensive but would be more correct
2020-05-02 20:41:52	mpickering	worth a shot
2020-05-02 20:42:20	mpickering	and also generic-lens-core/src/Data/Generics/Product/Internal/HList.hs
2020-05-02 20:42:31	mpickering	then attempted to jump from Core.glist to the definition
2020-05-02 20:52:28	jneira	wow Env.hs has the correct module import (Ghc.Prelude) but the hs-boot one has the incorrect one (GhcPrelude)
2020-05-02 20:52:55	jneira	weird
2020-05-02 20:54:22	jneira	but it loads the 1069 modules in seconds when opening again ghc\Main.hs
2020-05-02 20:55:47	jneira	now the hard part: make the tweet :-D
2020-05-02 20:57:17	mpickering	Is your tree clean?
2020-05-02 20:57:25	lukelau	dxld: is there way to test out downloading Cabal and installing it from cabal-helper from the command line?
2020-05-02 20:57:51	lukelau	i think i was just previously testing it out by pointing hie to it
2020-05-02 20:59:39	jneira	i've eitaed the hs-boot file manually and i am reloading thw window to see the error is gone
2020-05-02 21:00:46	jneira	there is a executable to test lukelau
2020-05-02 21:00:59	jneira	you can install int with a flag i think
2020-05-02 21:01:04	jneira	*it
2020-05-02 21:01:04	wz1000	mpickering: do I need to open a haddock PR also?
2020-05-02 21:01:17	mpickering	yeah
2020-05-02 21:02:07	jneira	lukelau: https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/blob/master/cabal-helper.cabal#L231
2020-05-02 21:02:19	wz1000	on github?
2020-05-02 21:02:26	lukelau	jneira: thanks
2020-05-02 21:02:37	mpickering	yes target the ghc-head branch
2020-05-02 21:03:15	mpickering	jneira: Do you want to make a MR to fix this? I can pull the trigger if you like
2020-05-02 21:05:01	jneira	uh it doesnt like with the correct name neither:
2020-05-02 21:05:18	jneira	D:\dev\ws\haskell\ghc\compiler\GHC\Unit\Module\Env.hs-boot:3:1: error:
2020-05-02 21:05:19	jneira	    attempting to use module ‘fake_uid:Ghc.Prelude’ (D:\dev\ws\haskell\ghc\compiler\Ghc\Prelude.hs) which is not loaded
2020-05-02 21:06:00	mpickering	can you delete `~/.cache/ghcide`
2020-05-02 21:06:02	mpickering	and try
2020-05-02 21:06:07	jneira	but Name.hs-boot has the same one and it works :-/
2020-05-02 21:06:20	mpickering	or whatever the windows location for the cache is
2020-05-02 21:06:27	jneira	ok
2020-05-02 21:09:24	jneira	i have the changes in the hie-bios scripts to support windows, maybe i could do a mr with both changes (or are too much unrelated)
2020-05-02 21:09:50	mpickering	no please don't
2020-05-02 21:09:56	mpickering	Make two separate PRs
2020-05-02 21:14:07	jneira	ok
2020-05-02 21:17:49	jneira	jumm the error persist after deleting ghcide cache
2020-05-02 21:18:27	jneira	arrrgh nvm
2020-05-02 21:18:53	 *	mpickering imagines jneira accidently deleted his whole computer instead of just the cache
2020-05-02 21:19:24	jneira	i corrected it half way GhcPrelude -> Ghc.Prelude instead GHC.Prelude
2020-05-02 21:19:30	jneira	:-D
2020-05-02 21:19:37	mpickering	haha
2020-05-02 21:19:41	mpickering	this is definitely a bug in GHC
2020-05-02 21:19:44	mpickering	but not one I care to fix..
2020-05-02 21:21:10	dxld	lukelau: the compile-test does it. it only uses the v2-install codepath though, but I guess that's what you're trying to test anyways.
2020-05-02 21:21:36	jneira	the ide is not loading hs-boot files whenyou open them, it seems
2020-05-02 21:21:43	jneira	not sure if it should do it
2020-05-02 21:22:11	wz1000	anyone tried it with backpack and signature files?
2020-05-02 21:22:26	mpickering	it being ghcide? if so, definitely won't work
2020-05-02 21:22:53	wz1000	why, downsweep?
2020-05-02 21:22:53	jneira	i am on hls
2020-05-02 21:22:53	mpickering	I think this is a good improvement to the readHieFile function, thanks for executing on it zubin
2020-05-02 21:26:00	mpickering	yeah there is just no code to deal with backpack
2020-05-02 21:26:07	dxld	lukelau: best get a move on though, I'm cutting a release :p
2020-05-02 21:26:16	mpickering	:o we're all at it this weekend
2020-05-02 21:26:27	mpickering	I am implementing a new profiling mode dxld 
2020-05-02 21:26:27	dxld	big time haha
2020-05-02 21:26:52	dxld	oh noes
2020-05-02 21:26:53	lukelau	dxld: ran the tests, they failed, realised i was on 8.10.1, built it again with 8.8.3, now the tests fail to link
2020-05-02 21:27:10	dxld	god damn osx
2020-05-02 21:27:36	lukelau	yeah im tinkering with my ghc installation simultaneously to try and get the homebrew stuff working
2020-05-02 21:27:42	lukelau	i fix one thing and another package works
2020-05-02 21:27:48	lukelau	*breaks
2020-05-02 21:28:15	jneira	mpickering: i have the tree clean now, simply reloading the ide
2020-05-02 21:28:43	mpickering	try editing one of the random files by removing an export
2020-05-02 21:28:48	jneira	no jump to definition between ghc\Main.hs and compiler modules though
2020-05-02 21:28:53	dxld	mpickering: I hope you're not going to conflict with my branch :o
2020-05-02 21:28:55	mpickering	hmm that should work
2020-05-02 21:29:07	mpickering	dxld: I'll race you :)
2020-05-02 21:29:10	mpickering	My mode is simpler though
2020-05-02 21:29:29	jneira	and no outline for Main.hs neither
2020-05-02 21:29:47	mpickering	jneira: It is possible this is all stuff broken that zubin is currently fixing with hie files
2020-05-02 21:30:03	mpickering	can you not open Main.hs perhaps :P ?
2020-05-02 21:30:46	dxld	mpickering: is it based on traversal? or just a ProfHeap.c thing?
2020-05-02 21:31:10	mpickering	It is code named `PROF_BY_INFO_TABLE`
2020-05-02 21:31:20	dxld	fancy
2020-05-02 21:31:22	mpickering	`closureIdentity` just returns the address of the info table for the closure
2020-05-02 21:31:22	jneira	he sure
2020-05-02 21:31:38	dxld	how's that different from the other per-closure ones?
2020-05-02 21:31:55	mpickering	From a THUNK info table you can use dwarf information to map the address to a source position
2020-05-02 21:31:57	dxld	are you debugging some static vs dynamic object stuff?
2020-05-02 21:32:13	dxld	hmm
2020-05-02 21:32:17	mpickering	So I have only enabled it for THUNK closure types now
2020-05-02 21:32:23	mpickering	to test it
2020-05-02 21:32:36	jneira	it jumps to the main GHC.hs module but no to GHC.Driver.Session f.e.
2020-05-02 21:32:44	dxld	so PROF_BY_SOURCE_LOC really :)
2020-05-02 21:33:03	mpickering	I was planning to implement the dwarf looking in eventlog2html 
2020-05-02 21:33:07	wz1000	mpickering: I hope you are ready for a diff a few thousand lines long, I'm copying the hie stuff in tree for 8.6
2020-05-02 21:33:20	dxld	hmm I guess that would work too
2020-05-02 21:33:31	mpickering	but you are right that is also a good name
2020-05-02 21:33:40	mpickering	I was thinking to just implement it for THUNK closure types
2020-05-02 21:33:51	mpickering	as otherwise you could end up with them being dwarfed by CONSTR closures
2020-05-02 21:33:59	dxld	I think that would be reasonable
2020-05-02 21:34:07	dxld	but you can always drill down with the other filterss
2020-05-02 21:34:16	mpickering	yeah good idea, didn't think of that
2020-05-02 21:34:19	dxld	-hd THUNK or whatever
2020-05-02 21:34:36	mpickering	Now just need to modify ghc-events as well..
2020-05-02 21:36:53	dxld	have you done a non-eventlog heap profile since my BEGIN_SAMPLE fix landed btw?
2020-05-02 21:37:01	dxld	just wondering if I actually fixed it :)
2020-05-02 21:37:38	mpickering	I would only do non-eventlog with versions of GHC which don't support eventlog heap profiling
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2020-05-02 21:38:22	dxld	fair enough, just wondering
2020-05-02 21:39:01	dxld	I just hate having to install some event2* thing
2020-05-02 21:39:18	dxld	can we just ship one in ghc? :)
2020-05-02 21:40:13	mpickering	perhaps a minimal version would be good 
2020-05-02 21:40:23	mpickering	but I like depending on other libraries 
2020-05-02 21:40:41	dxld	I'd be happy with a event2hp ;)
2020-05-02 21:40:55	lukelau	dxld: compile-test fails but because cabal-head fails to build
2020-05-02 21:41:07	dxld	lukelau: that should just be a warning though
2020-05-02 21:41:08	lukelau	im happy that it works otherwise
2020-05-02 21:41:30	dxld	if the exit code is /=0 then something else must've failed
2020-05-02 21:41:31	lukelau	you’re right i got exit-code 0
2020-05-02 21:41:36	dxld	cool
2020-05-02 21:41:46	dxld	I didn't feel like fixing the cabal HEAD error yet
2020-05-02 21:42:06	dxld	the next ghc release is hopefully a while off still
2020-05-02 21:44:07	lukelau	yeah, i think you have it fixed in the ghc-8.10 branch though
2020-05-02 21:44:35	dxld	that was merged
2020-05-02 21:44:36	lukelau	the error is something to do Flag(..) moving from Distribution.PackageDescription
2020-05-02 21:44:43	lukelau	into master?
2020-05-02 21:44:49	dxld	yea
2020-05-02 21:44:51	lukelau	nice
2020-05-02 21:45:12	lukelau	ill see if i can build hls then on 8.10
2020-05-02 21:47:17	dxld	cabal-plan might still block it
2020-05-02 21:47:28	dxld	but you can copy the allow-newer thing from the cabal.project
2020-05-02 21:47:37	jneira	great, this time we are being faster than ghc :-P
2020-05-02 21:48:16	lukelau	yeah, that allow-newer feature is great
2020-05-02 21:48:20	dxld	now if only we could have a bot that commits the GHC version fixes
2020-05-02 21:49:04	lukelau	yeah. something that scans uses of base and automatically adjusts the bounds if its safe to do so
2020-05-02 21:49:31	dxld	first I have to automate my CI image building
2020-05-02 21:49:40	dxld	wonder if there's an rss feed for the ghc releases
2020-05-02 21:53:41	jneira	wow it is taking almost 3 gb to open compiler/GHC.hs, i will have to open a module up in the tree
2020-05-02 21:54:04	mpickering	jneira: That's a good amount or a bad amount?
2020-05-02 21:54:08	mpickering	It used to be a lot more
2020-05-02 21:54:59	jneira	well, i have only 8 gb in my poor i3 laptop, so it can't give it more to hls
2020-05-02 21:55:13	jneira	and the thing is going slower
2020-05-02 21:56:39	jneira	when it finishes hover response is reaaly great
2020-05-02 21:57:16	jneira	and jump to definition works for some modules inside compiler and no for others
2020-05-02 21:57:59	mpickering	Yeah we can hopefully improve memory more
2020-05-02 21:58:25	jneira	the outline is not shown in the first opening but it does in a second one (i think)
2020-05-02 22:05:19	jneira	well i have to close firefox to make it a little bit faster, see you later :-P
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2020-05-02 22:08:18	wz1000	edited a patch file for HieBin by hand to make it apply to 8.8 and 8.10.. feel like a real haxxor now
2020-05-02 22:14:07	mpickering	It feels quite bad to have to convert a String into a Word64
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2020-05-02 22:53:03	wz1000	mpickering: stupid question, but I can't figure out how to read the IdeState in an Action
2020-05-02 22:53:21	mpickering	Ah you can't that's why
2020-05-02 22:53:32	mpickering	Put what you need in ShakeExtras
2020-05-02 22:53:37	wz1000	I did
2020-05-02 22:53:49	wz1000	how do I get that?
2020-05-02 22:53:55	mpickering	I think `getShakeExtras`?
2020-05-02 22:54:39	wz1000	thanks
2020-05-02 23:14:46	wz1000	mpickering: https://github.com/wz1000/ghcide/commit/f94b8f623ba52e8fcc5e5e542e18f127eb09a3d5
2020-05-02 23:15:12	wz1000	next I will get hie files working with 8.6
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2020-05-02 23:37:16	wz1000	wow, RealSrcSpan and Arrays don't have Binary instances in 8.6
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2020-05-02 23:57:27	mpickering	wz1000: Did you add them?
2020-05-02 23:57:36	mpickering	When you implemented hie files?
2020-05-02 23:58:03	mpickering	Is there a reason to store the IORef NameCache rather than just the NameCacheUpdater in the ShakeExtras?
2020-05-02 23:58:10	mpickering	doesn't really matter
2020-05-02 23:58:40	mpickering	looking forward to trying out your patch
2020-05-02 23:58:48	wz1000	no, i did not
2020-05-02 23:59:56	wz1000	or I don't remember if I did :p
2020-05-03 00:02:57	mpickering	I need an IDE plugin which I can set to highlight in red lines authored by certain committers so I can be extra careful of them
2020-05-03 00:03:07	mpickering	Would start by adding myself to that list
2020-05-03 00:04:21	wz1000	am I a part of that list?
2020-05-03 00:08:17	mpickering	If you feel like you write good enough programs
2020-05-03 00:28:48	wz1000	wow, that wasn't too bad.. got all the hiefile stuff to compile on 8.6
2020-05-03 00:41:58	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/ghcide/commit/a327c497ed7ae593156b13329b20be51548a9915
2020-05-03 00:42:17	wz1000	compiles on 8.6 to 8.10
2020-05-03 00:42:43	wz1000	I'm done for today, will test it out tomorrow
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2020-05-03 01:02:32	mpickering	I will give it a spin
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2020-05-03 01:09:47	wz1000	it does indeed seem to work
2020-05-03 01:10:16	mpickering	are the other features implemented as well on this branch?
2020-05-03 01:10:23	wz1000	at least as well as it did on 8.8
2020-05-03 01:10:28	wz1000	which other features
2020-05-03 01:10:32	wz1000	it has document highlight
2020-05-03 01:10:46	wz1000	thats the only feature not on your branch
2020-05-03 01:10:52	wz1000	the other feature is shittier hover
2020-05-03 01:11:20	wz1000	(the hover is nice sometimes, like on record wildcards)
2020-05-03 01:12:38	wz1000	now I can actually begin to implement features
2020-05-03 01:13:04	wz1000	without the confidence that you will eventually merge it into your branch
2020-05-03 01:13:21	mpickering	why would I not merge your changes?
2020-05-03 01:13:32	wz1000	s/without/with
2020-05-03 01:13:35	mpickering	I see
2020-05-03 01:14:24	wz1000	I got halfway through integrating hiedb when I noticed the broken loadHieFile, so I stashed those changes
2020-05-03 01:14:40	mpickering	good to have you eye over this
2020-05-03 01:15:39	wz1000	hiedb should be pretty straightforward
2020-05-03 01:15:49	wz1000	the other thing is docs on hover
2020-05-03 01:16:26	wz1000	once these are done and the code is cleaned up we can merge
2020-05-03 01:17:51	wz1000	mpickering: is 8.4 also supported currently?
2020-05-03 01:17:57	mpickering	no
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2020-05-03 01:18:10	wz1000	because I saw a bunch of CPP !MIN_VERSION(8.6)
2020-05-03 01:18:23	mpickering	no just supporting 8.6 is fine
2020-05-03 01:21:03	wz1000	I've been using Haskell for so long but the "if it compiles, it works" promise holding up still surprises me
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2020-05-03 02:06:38	jneira	mpickering: https://twitter.com/jneira/status/1256683843735687169
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2020-05-03 02:16:46	mpickering	A video as well, nice
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2020-05-03 02:24:38	jneira	well i removed a "few" frames 
2020-05-03 02:25:33	jneira	from editing the file to the error diagnostic and the quick fix is quite slow actually
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2020-05-03 02:54:58	mpickering	Need to look into why the code actions are slow
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2020-05-03 11:57:28	wz1000	mpickering: do you want me to make a PR with the 8.6 hiefile stuff before adding new features?
2020-05-03 12:24:30	wz1000	also, do you want to support ghc-lib?
2020-05-03 12:31:41	mpickering	wz1000: good morning
2020-05-03 12:32:03	mpickering	Yes a different PR would be good 
2020-05-03 12:32:19	mpickering	I didn't try it yet sorry
2020-05-03 12:32:27	mpickering	Will get to that now
2020-05-03 12:33:33	mpickering	If it can be logic commits that would be good
2020-05-03 12:44:03	wz1000	mpickering: what about ghc-lib?
2020-05-03 12:44:36	wz1000	i guess we won't be able to get it merged into proper ghcid without that?
2020-05-03 12:44:54	wz1000	but it adds a lot of needless complexity
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2020-05-03 13:11:26	mpickering	where is the complexity?
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2020-05-03 13:24:41	wz1000	mpickering: https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/blob/hls/src/Development/IDE/Spans/Documentation.hs#L42
2020-05-03 13:24:45	wz1000	all of this file
2020-05-03 13:26:05	wz1000	then a bunch of code to recursively get all parsed modules in dependencies
2020-05-03 13:26:06	wz1000	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/blob/hls/src/Development/IDE/Core/Rules.hs#L423
2020-05-03 13:26:11	wz1000	here as well as in completion
2020-05-03 13:27:21	wz1000	s/modules of/modules in
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2020-05-03 13:41:30	wz1000	mpickering: can you help me understand why GetHiFile and GetModIface are different rules?
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2020-05-03 14:08:24	mpickering	wz1000: How are they different?
2020-05-03 14:08:35	mpickering	sorry I am distracted with my profiling mode
2020-05-03 14:08:38	mpickering	it is nearly working
2020-05-03 14:09:19	wz1000	thats what I want to know
2020-05-03 14:09:48	mpickering	also why do you want to know this?
2020-05-03 14:09:57	mpickering	is there a different problem blocking you?
2020-05-03 14:13:45	wz1000	I'm trying to figure out the best way to add docs back in
2020-05-03 14:14:29	mpickering	ok, how does that work now?
2020-05-03 14:14:46	mpickering	do you not store the docs in the hie file?
2020-05-03 14:15:05	wz1000	conceptually its very simple, ghc provides getDocs since 8.6
2020-05-03 14:15:15	wz1000	what concerns me is this bit: https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/blob/hls/src/Development/IDE/Spans/Calculate.hs#L79
2020-05-03 14:15:39	wz1000	no, docs aren't in the hie files since they're available in the .hie file
2020-05-03 14:16:28	wz1000	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/blob/hls/src/Development/IDE/Core/Rules.hs#L426
2020-05-03 14:17:35	wz1000	so on every hover, we load the iface for the current module as well as all its dependencies
2020-05-03 14:19:55	mpickering	Can you describe a concrete issue so I can understand
2020-05-03 14:20:05	wz1000	docs are in .hi files sorry
2020-05-03 14:20:27	wz1000	so to get docs we need to load every iface downstream iface file
2020-05-03 14:20:58	wz1000	wouldn't it be better to just keep the iface files in typecheck?
2020-05-03 14:21:14	mpickering	ok, but you need to do that to typecheck a module anyway?
2020-05-03 14:21:23	mpickering	Is this an efficiency concern?
2020-05-03 14:21:31	wz1000	yeah, so my question is why are we reading them from disk later?
2020-05-03 14:21:33	wz1000	yes
2020-05-03 14:22:06	mpickering	So what is the relationship between the ModIface and the .hi file again?
2020-05-03 14:22:28	wz1000	its the same thing
2020-05-03 14:22:52	wz1000	but two rules
2020-05-03 14:23:00	wz1000	GetHiFile calls typecheck to generate the file
2020-05-03 14:23:48	wz1000	GetModIface calls GetHiFile first, and then calls typecheck for files not of interest
2020-05-03 14:24:06	wz1000	and if it is of interest it uses Typecheck
2020-05-03 14:24:20	mpickering	Do they both store a FilePath?
2020-05-03 14:24:30	wz1000	no, they store the ModIface
2020-05-03 14:24:47	wz1000	type instance RuleResult GetHiFile = HiFileResult
2020-05-03 14:24:52	wz1000	type instance RuleResult GetModIface = HiFileResult
2020-05-03 14:24:57	mpickering	ok
2020-05-03 14:25:10	wz1000	it seems like a lot of code that handles the same scenario
2020-05-03 14:25:11	mpickering	This does look a bit strange doesn't it
2020-05-03 14:25:11	wz1000	s
2020-05-03 14:25:25	wz1000	I'm trying to understand its purpose
2020-05-03 14:25:28	wz1000	if there is any
2020-05-03 14:25:38	mpickering	Can you make a ticket explaining what you just did to me?
2020-05-03 14:25:42	mpickering	then Pepe will see it as well
2020-05-03 14:25:44	mpickering	and he implemented this
2020-05-03 14:25:55	wz1000	On your branch or digital asset?
2020-05-03 14:26:00	mpickering	my branch
2020-05-03 14:27:05	wz1000	it just seems like a lot of code to go over the same codepaths, and I don't really understand it, which makes me cautious about getting rid of it
2020-05-03 14:27:54	mpickering	yeah, try not to worry about it now
2020-05-03 14:28:01	mpickering	it's not blocking you is it?
2020-05-03 14:28:08	mpickering	but if you make an issue Pepe can comment
2020-05-03 14:28:18	wz1000	ok
2020-05-03 14:29:36	wz1000	mpickering: what is defineEarlyCutoff?
2020-05-03 14:30:07	mpickering	A function defined in Shake.hs
2020-05-03 14:30:12	mpickering	where you also give a hash of the result
2020-05-03 14:30:18	mpickering	and it doesn't trigger rebuilds if the hash doesn't change
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2020-05-03 15:35:01	alanz_	mpickering, wz1000 I am wanting to merge my hls branch based on mpickering/ghcide/hls into master on hls. Any reason not to? https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/79
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2020-05-03 15:36:14	wz1000	no objections from me
2020-05-03 15:40:57	alanz_	thanks. Main thing is no in-flight work from you guys. Will wait a little bit then merge
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2020-05-03 16:08:54	alanz_	mpickering, fyi https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/pull/10
2020-05-03 16:10:01	alanz_	wow, quickest PR ever
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2020-05-03 18:39:46	alanz_	should we start a monthly hls tag? I think it is sort of starting to be usable? It is my standard haskell LSP at the moment?
2020-05-03 18:43:20	lukelau	alanz_: you can create a github and tag it as prerelease to give people a heads up
2020-05-03 18:43:26	lukelau	*github release
2020-05-03 18:43:44	alanz_	yes, that is what I am planning. Like we have been doing on hie for the past while
2020-05-03 18:44:00	lukelau	that would be great, encourage some dogfooding
2020-05-03 18:44:34	alanz_	agree. And I think it is starting to be usable enough for that. Based on the huge efforts of all here
2020-05-03 18:44:55	alanz_	And it will be good to get a rythm going on it
2020-05-03 18:45:00	fendor_	alanz_, agreed, great idea. Lets get the train rolling! Is the install-script ready for it?
2020-05-03 18:45:24	alanz_	I don't know, I am starting the "bump-resolvers" bit
2020-05-03 18:45:49	alanz_	will then put an initial changelog (very sparse, just saying hello world) then make a PR
2020-05-03 18:46:51	alanz_	fendor_, what needs to happen for the install-script?
2020-05-03 18:47:10	fendor_	alanz_, just testing it, hls-8.6.5 seems to work.
2020-05-03 18:47:34	alanz_	I use the cabal installer all the time, for 8.6.5 and 8.8.3
2020-05-03 18:47:36	fendor_	sooo... probably nothing? iirc, jneira made sure all important changes are applied
2020-05-03 18:47:50	alanz_	thats what I thought/hoped
2020-05-03 18:48:29	fendor_	including all renaming.
2020-05-03 18:52:41	alanz_	yes
2020-05-03 18:54:57	alanz_	fendor_, (and others) I presume you guys will bring in whatever hie-bios/cabal-helper changes are ready to move in. 
2020-05-03 18:55:04	alanz_	Obvious statement, I guess
2020-05-03 18:55:37	alanz_	we are currently on fendor/hie-bios at 89d28817716a1c8df7e191f3a43c4504bc6379eb
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2020-05-03 19:11:10	jneira	yeah, i want to use the new c-h release in both projects (although i opened the issue in hie)
2020-05-03 19:12:04	jneira	although there is an alternative on the table (implicit-hie), i would update c-h anyway
2020-05-03 19:12:43	jneira	well i agree with fendor_ that they could be somewhat complementary
2020-05-03 19:13:27	alanz_	I saw that implicit-hie seems to be more of a proof-of-concept right now though
2020-05-03 19:13:49	alanz_	And I would be happy for the center of activity to be on hls, rather than hie
2020-05-03 19:14:12	alanz_	at some point we will start deprecating it, so the double-work can stop
2020-05-03 19:19:01	fendor_	jneira, yeah, implicit-hie is not even close to a c-h replacement
2020-05-03 19:19:09	jneira	agree
2020-05-03 19:19:27	fendor_	it wouldnt work in a case where you use a package.yaml and the cabal files hasnt been generated before
2020-05-03 19:19:44	jneira	mmm, multi-project, maybe common stanzas... 
2020-05-03 19:19:49	fendor_	does it even attempt to parse cabal.project
2020-05-03 19:19:50	fendor_	?
2020-05-03 19:20:11	fendor_	however, it could be a nice code-action to generate a hie.yaml
2020-05-03 19:20:19	jneira	i think it currently does not
2020-05-03 19:20:38	fendor_	but then I still think we would use straight cabal-helper
2020-05-03 19:20:53	jneira	i want to take a deeper look to see in which cases it works
2020-05-03 19:21:21	fendor_	:+1:
2020-05-03 19:21:29	alanz_	I think the model of a code action or similar to generate a hie.yaml is where we need to be. But via a solid process
2020-05-03 19:23:00	fendor_	cabal-helper is suited for that task, imo
2020-05-03 19:23:58	fendor_	however, once cabal approves my PR https://github.com/haskell/cabal/pull/6623, then the cabal cradle `cradle: { cabal: {}}` can be used almost always
2020-05-03 19:24:06	alanz_	agree. designed from the beginning for that
2020-05-03 19:24:08	alanz_	nice
2020-05-03 19:24:48	alanz_	but, it will still be nice to be able to "explode" that out into a hie.yaml, if you need to tweak it somehow. avoid loading some components, or some such
2020-05-03 19:26:31	fendor_	alanz_, yeah, I think extracting a code-action out of it is almost trivial
2020-05-03 19:26:41	mpickering	ghcide still doesn't support none cradle
2020-05-03 19:26:44	fendor_	since c-h knows everything about a project
2020-05-03 19:26:53	mpickering	which is problematic
2020-05-03 19:27:04	alanz_	agree. Thing is, where to put the code action, on which file, diagnostic
2020-05-03 19:27:33	alanz_	btw, getting some sort of usable cradle for a partly broken project is going to be important
2020-05-03 19:27:52	fendor_	that is bikeshedding, imo. Put it into .cabal file or package.yaml.
2020-05-03 19:27:53	alanz_	i.e. if it does not compile. I guess the cabal PR will sort that out?
2020-05-03 19:28:13	alanz_	fendor_, agree
2020-05-03 19:28:17	fendor_	no, if it doesnt compile, e.g. can not even be configured, not much you can do
2020-05-03 19:28:45	mpickering	If the dependencies of your project don't compile then not much you can do
2020-05-03 19:28:54	mpickering	but it will be improved a lot when there is multi-component ghci
2020-05-03 19:29:05	mpickering	as you won't have to build all dependencies before getting the options
2020-05-03 19:29:48	mpickering	Btw if someone wants to implement none cradle in ghcide I think all you need to do is make the `optGhcSession` function return a Maybe
2020-05-03 19:30:06	mpickering	Or `Either [Diagnostic]`
2020-05-03 19:30:07	alanz_	fendor_, I am thinking of the case where there is a stupid error in e.g. exe/Main.hs. Typo, or something
2020-05-03 19:30:24	fendor_	alanz_, that should work
2020-05-03 19:30:31	alanz_	i.e. bar problems in the actual project source code, all else is good
2020-05-03 19:30:48	alanz_	ok, will have to try it. I recall some time ago it not working
2020-05-03 19:30:53	fendor_	the problem is, if Lib.hs has a typo and you are trying to compile exe/Main.hs
2020-05-03 19:31:29	alanz_	but then we should get a partial result, with an appropriate diagnostic
2020-05-03 19:31:56	alanz_	"cradle cannot be initialised until lib:internal compiles"
2020-05-03 19:32:09	alanz_	and it should be possible to work on Lib.hs
2020-05-03 19:32:22	alanz_	without the cradle not initialising because of exe/Main
2020-05-03 19:32:34	fendor_	iirc, that is already how it works
2020-05-03 19:32:50	alanz_	ok, have not experimented with it. Sounds good
2020-05-03 19:32:51	fendor_	or maybe it isnt with ghcide multi-cradle? in hie it should be
2020-05-03 19:33:13	alanz_	its the sort of thing we should have an explicit test case ofr
2020-05-03 19:33:15	alanz_	for
2020-05-03 19:33:22	fendor_	currently, I am exclusively writing hie.yaml files. 
2020-05-03 19:33:37	alanz_	me too. 
2020-05-03 19:33:47	fendor_	ghcide should have that imo, not hls
2020-05-03 19:34:33	fendor_	in the future, hls should only have tests for the plugins it implements
2020-05-03 19:35:22	fendor_	because project loading tests are the responsibility of ghcide
2020-05-03 19:37:41	alanz_	fendor_, I get the impression ghcide is built for the "industrial" use case, where it is used by a team on a single project, with a carefully crafted overall configuration setup
2020-05-03 19:38:31	alanz_	And because it is used as the underpinning for various other tools/languages too (DAML), having more complicated project config/discovery is not part of its focus
2020-05-03 19:38:56	alanz_	main thing is the support must exist, for someone using hls
2020-05-03 19:39:33	fendor_	hm. I see. So, exhaustive set-up tests might be something we have to do in hls after all
2020-05-03 19:46:14	alanz_	Pretty sure those will never be in hls.
2020-05-03 19:46:19	alanz_	I mean ghcide
2020-05-03 19:46:43	alanz_	And likewise all the stuff that is in the exe directory needs to move somewhere, which will not be in ghcide
2020-05-03 19:46:56	fendor_	true
2020-05-03 19:47:16	alanz_	but I am not sure where. I want the Main.hs to be a very simple programme, pull in some deps, configure the plugins, go.
2020-05-03 19:47:23	alanz_	much like the hie one
2020-05-03 19:48:02	alanz_	but I was told we have to wait for some other long running branches to land in ghcide before considering that. And I think it may already have happened
2020-05-03 19:48:24	fendor_	what is the other long running branch? some branch about hi files?
2020-05-03 19:48:57	alanz_	pepe's one for hi files, I think. I actually thing it landed a while back?
2020-05-03 19:49:37	alanz_	some other things to tackle: https://neilmitchell.blogspot.com/2020/05/hlint-30.html
2020-05-03 19:49:56	fendor_	not sure it landed. It is definitely integrated into the hls ghcide branch
2020-05-03 19:49:56	alanz_	which I am happy to see as part of hls, rather than double work
2020-05-03 19:50:06	alanz_	yes
2020-05-03 19:53:29	mpickering	All the long running patches are now mine as far as I know
2020-05-03 19:53:39	mpickering	the only one which isn't in the hls branch is object files
2020-05-03 19:56:03	alanz_	ok. Time to re-open that debate, I think. Pretty sure there is an issue on ghcide about it somewhere. or hls
2020-05-03 19:56:15	fendor_	which debate?
2020-05-03 19:57:03	alanz_	where to put the library for starting up stuff, that is currently in the exe dir
2020-05-03 19:57:10	alanz_	and/or in exe/Main.hs
2020-05-03 19:58:41	alanz_	https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/issues/478
2020-05-03 19:59:04	alanz_	time to re-visit that
2020-05-03 19:59:57	mpickering	Just make a library for it on the fork
2020-05-03 20:00:53	alanz_	mpickering, agree, but lets see if we can get some buy-in from the upstream too
2020-05-03 20:01:17	mpickering	it sounds like you just want more layer of abstraction 
2020-05-03 20:01:32	mpickering	to be able to plug in some additional plugins from hls
2020-05-03 20:01:42	mpickering	I don't know what changes you make to exe/Main in hls
2020-05-03 20:01:56	mpickering	but I don't think it's contentious to make a library to share code
2020-05-03 20:02:14	mpickering	I just don't know where the abstraction barrier is
2020-05-03 20:02:17	mpickering	which is what neil is also saying
2020-05-03 20:02:52	alanz_	I agree, the only thing I really want is a library to break things out.  But the question is what functions it has, wnd whether only hls uses it, in which case it can live there, or if ghcide does too
2020-05-03 20:03:16	alanz_	it is just about what the pieces are and how they plug together
2020-05-03 20:05:57	alanz_	mpickering, to be honest, now that we have basically decided to run an hls version, it is no longer really an issue. An additional internal library will do it. They can follow along if they want
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2020-05-03 20:16:11	alanz_	it begins: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/82
2020-05-03 20:18:49	mpickering	Something I really want to add to ghcide
2020-05-03 20:19:34	mpickering	is a tracing option which logs all requests and an analysis tool which says hover on average took X
2020-05-03 20:19:36	mpickering	longest hover was Y
2020-05-03 20:19:48	mpickering	typechecking invoked Z times and so on
2020-05-03 20:19:57	mpickering	would make diagnosing problems way easier
2020-05-03 20:20:03	mpickering	I can problem get my student to do that this summer
2020-05-03 20:20:31	alanz_	mpickering, sounds like an excellent idea. 
2020-05-03 20:20:36	fendor_	ekg server could be helpful for that
2020-05-03 20:21:48	fendor_	I always wanted to use it. In the game I wrote with friends we used it, but it didnt give us enough insight :( we didnt have any performance problems, though
2020-05-03 20:22:37	mpickering	solution to performance problems is to implement a new tool every time ;) 
2020-05-03 20:22:44	mpickering	in order to debug the performance issues
2020-05-03 20:22:52	alanz_	fendor_, it was in an early version of hie, but we took it out, as it was never actually being used
2020-05-03 20:23:19	alanz_	and I agree that the concept of lightweight tracing and offline analysis is a good one
2020-05-03 20:23:40	alanz_	mpickering, I see we now have opentracing in your ghcide branch. Will that form the basis?
2020-05-03 20:23:50	mpickering	yeah I imagined so
2020-05-03 20:24:04	mpickering	That actually is a bit broken 
2020-05-03 20:24:23	mpickering	I am not sure of a good user API though for this 
2020-05-03 20:24:27	alanz_	We should try to make it a general tool though, and/or see what else is in the lsp landscape. We cant be the only ones wanting to measure performance
2020-05-03 20:24:58	mpickering	we could ship with `-eventlog` always enabled but then a user still has to pass `+RTS -l`
2020-05-03 20:25:15	mpickering	perhaps I should add a way to turn the eventlog on/off at runtime
2020-05-03 20:25:17	mpickering	in GHC
2020-05-03 20:26:00	alanz_	mpickering, I actually think there are multiple layers to the tracing/visualisation. And managing the dynamic range of that is the tricky part
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2020-05-03 20:46:01	wz1000	thinking of LSP as a spec is not very helpful imho. Its better to see it as an API for the vscode UI that other editors attempt to emulate with varying degrees of accuracy
2020-05-03 20:50:56	wz1000	in any case, it explicitly leaves semantics completely up to the server, so I don't see much sense in calling an implementation non-conforming wrt those
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2020-05-03 21:08:27	alanz_	wz1000, agree.
2020-05-03 21:09:01	alanz_	and liveness/usability trumps pretty much anything else in an ide.
2020-05-03 21:09:11	alanz_	No slowdowns, ever
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2020-05-03 21:23:58	fendor_	btw, we have code of conduct in hls
2020-05-03 21:24:21	fendor_	is that intended?
2020-05-03 21:27:05	alanz_	yes. Easier to put it in from the beginning.
2020-05-03 21:27:32	alanz_	Is there anything that is problematic? Not even sure where it came from, tbh. 
2020-05-03 21:27:53	alanz_	I think gh suggests you have one and provides. 
2020-05-03 21:28:26	alanz_	yes, standard boilerplate, if you look at the bottom.
2020-05-03 21:29:22	alanz_	So far, in all the years, I have not seen anything remotely problematic, on the hie ecosystem, so either my eyes are blind to it or we dont have a problem. Either way, having a COC should be Ok.
2020-05-03 21:31:03	lukelau	wz1000: agreed. it’s pretty much tied to the nodejs/vscode packages
2020-05-03 21:31:17	lukelau	which is controlled by the flow of vscode releases
2020-05-03 21:31:51	lukelau	does it make a difference if hls is built with ghcide’s ghc-lib flag or not?
2020-05-03 21:33:26	mpickering	It won't work if you do
2020-05-03 21:33:30	mpickering	That's only for daml
2020-05-03 21:35:27	lukelau	mpickering: cool, i left the flag off but it looks like its still building ghc-lib-parser which i was trying to avoid
2020-05-03 21:35:34	lukelau	that thing takes forever and a day to build
2020-05-03 21:36:01	mpickering	Doesn't hlint depend on it?
2020-05-03 21:36:16	mpickering	Ormulu as well
2020-05-03 21:36:16	lukelau	only hlint 3 right?
2020-05-03 21:36:41	lukelau	no big worries then if other plugins use it
2020-05-03 21:36:50	alanz_	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/releases/tag/0.1
2020-05-03 21:36:53	alanz_	fwiw
2020-05-03 21:37:09	lukelau	congrats, hopefully the first of many releases :)
2020-05-03 21:37:18	alanz_	thanks. 
2020-05-03 21:37:30	alanz_	and yes indeed. the monthly cadence has begun
2020-05-03 21:39:54	mpickering	I can see lukelau winding himself up in my email notifications...
2020-05-03 21:40:22	alanz_	heeees back
2020-05-03 21:40:25	lukelau	is that a good thing?
2020-05-03 21:40:26	mpickering	Going to be good when he gets up to full speed
2020-05-03 21:40:33	alanz_	:+1:
2020-05-03 21:41:08	alanz_	I am going to merge and tag https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1759 too
2020-05-03 21:41:20	alanz_	any objections? you have 30 secs
2020-05-03 21:41:23	teto	fantastic ! congrats ! would be nice to list in changelog the most critical shortcomings from hie.
2020-05-03 21:41:55	mpickering	Would be good if someone could write a post explaining what generally is happening
2020-05-03 21:42:08	mpickering	Perhaps one of the GSoC boys could do so
2020-05-03 21:42:29	alanz_	have those been decided/announced yet?
2020-05-03 21:42:39	alanz_	or rather, when is that happening?
2020-05-03 21:43:09	alanz_	tomorrow ......
2020-05-03 21:43:50	alanz_	mpickering, it probably does need a general "state of lsp in haskell" post
2020-05-03 21:48:19	alanz_	also https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/releases/tag/1.4
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2020-05-03 21:49:31	lukelau	alanz_ mpickering: i can write one up, i need to get my head around what people are currently up to anyways
2020-05-03 21:50:02	alanz_	Also https://github.com/Infinisil/all-hies/issues/57
2020-05-03 21:50:14	alanz_	lukelau, sounds good, to contextualise yourself
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2020-05-03 22:03:04	jneira	mpickering: i've prepared both mrs for ghc, would you like to take a look?
2020-05-03 22:04:04	jneira	or i can request them too
2020-05-03 22:09:05	jneira	https://gitlab.haskell.org/jneira/ghc/-/compare/master...hie-bios-windows
2020-05-03 22:09:38	jneira	the other one is trivial but anyway: https://gitlab.haskell.org/jneira/ghc/-/compare/master...fix-env-hs-boot
2020-05-03 22:15:37	lukelau	alanz_: is there a vscode plugin yet for haskell-language-server?
2020-05-03 22:16:11	lukelau	i’m trying it with vscode-hie-server but you need to be careful with the options since not all flags are backwards compatible etc
2020-05-03 22:17:36	lukelau	got it running for the first time anyway, ghc-8.10 on cabal-install :)
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2020-05-03 22:27:40	mpickering	well done lukelau, tweet worthy?
2020-05-03 22:28:39	lukelau	perhaps. might break my year long tweeting hiatus :o
2020-05-03 22:29:00	lukelau	by the way whats the story with ghcide submodules/forks etc
2020-05-03 22:29:01	mpickering	haha, it's important we are all constantly making noise
2020-05-03 22:29:10	lukelau	i see there’s a submodule inside hls that points to alanz’s fork
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2020-05-03 22:29:26	lukelau	and then it pulls in changes from your fork under the hls branch, into alanz’s hls-mpickering branch?
2020-05-03 22:32:35	mpickering	sounds like you understand perfectly
2020-05-03 22:32:45	mpickering	my job here ends with my fork of ghcide :P 
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2020-05-03 22:59:37	alanz_	lukelau, for vscode I use the hie plugin, and just set the exe to be haskell-language-server-wrapper. They deliberately honour the same arguments
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2020-05-03 23:00:32	alanz_	mpickering, my experience is you dont have to push progress reports out much, people pull them. 
2020-05-03 23:00:43	alanz_	But then I am not much of a communicator
2020-05-03 23:02:31	wz1000	mpickering: verdict on whether I need to care about ghc-lib?
2020-05-03 23:05:40	alanz_	it sound to me like no. I think that is more for when it is used with daml etc
2020-05-03 23:06:50	wz1000	but then the chances of our changes getting accepted upstream are lowered, no? Or should we leave to them to deal with it?
2020-05-03 23:11:55	mpickering	The code which has ifdefs in should live in a compat module like the GHC.Compat one
2020-05-03 23:12:01	mpickering	but yes we should care about it
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2020-05-03 23:14:22	mpickering	If there is a reason to not care about it other than a little more effort then we can discuss
2020-05-03 23:14:25	wz1000	there are ifdefs all over the place currently
2020-05-03 23:14:35	mpickering	yes I know
2020-05-03 23:15:10	mpickering	I tried your patch this morning on the generic-lens example and it worked btw
2020-05-03 23:16:33	wz1000	did it feel any different from your branch wrt responsiveness/speed?
2020-05-03 23:25:07	wz1000	mpickering: who do I annoy to get my readHieFile patch merged?
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2020-05-03 23:30:22	lukelau	alanz_: ah so the wrappers arguments are the same?
2020-05-03 23:31:01	alanz_	yes
2020-05-03 23:31:33	alanz_	lukelau, I changed the lsp-mode one for emacs, need to do the same for vscode.
2020-05-03 23:32:05	lukelau	change it to point to haskell-language-server-wrapper?
2020-05-03 23:32:37	alanz_	https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell/blob/e9c306b8246e2b50bf9260f71b3d2e5334b90b30/lsp-haskell.el#L46
2020-05-03 23:32:46	lukelau	Ah, smart
2020-05-03 23:32:53	alanz_	make a three wasy choice
2020-05-03 23:33:04	jneira	my vscode config is:
2020-05-03 23:33:07	alanz_	3 preconfigured, plus override
2020-05-03 23:33:12	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/656cfb0a04afc675ce55bb310f6be05b/pasted.txt
2020-05-03 23:33:30	jneira	i put in in every project i want to open with hls, unde .vscode
2020-05-03 23:33:38	jneira	*under
2020-05-03 23:33:42	alanz_	I have 
2020-05-03 23:33:43	alanz_	$ more .vscode/settings.json 
2020-05-03 23:33:43	alanz_	{
2020-05-03 23:33:43	alanz_	    "languageServerHaskell.trace.server": "messages",
2020-05-03 23:33:43	alanz_	    "languageServerHaskell.hieExecutablePath": "haskell-language-server"
2020-05-03 23:33:43	alanz_	}
2020-05-03 23:33:50	lukelau	jneira: nice, does it work in your global settings too?
2020-05-03 23:34:31	jneira	yeah, but i want to open some of them with hie (hie! itself) or ghcide (ghcide itself)
2020-05-03 23:34:51	lukelau	lol, makes sense
2020-05-03 23:36:02	alanz_	the thing is to set a global choice, then override per project
2020-05-03 23:37:24	infinisil	Will have to put some work into all-hies again to make it work https://github.com/Infinisil/all-hies/issues/52
2020-05-03 23:38:21	infinisil	It would be easier if I dropped support for most GHC versions (only supporting the ones https://github.com/input-output-hk/haskell.nix/ supports by default)
2020-05-03 23:38:42	infinisil	But I kinda don't want that, as that's like only 8.8.2 and 8.6.5
2020-05-03 23:39:08	infinisil	or I could figure out how to make haskell.nix support others
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2020-05-03 23:40:09	mpickering	Building ghcide with haskell.nix is problematic if you don't build all your projects with it as well
2020-05-03 23:40:20	mpickering	There are a bunch of issues about this
2020-05-03 23:40:29	mpickering	wz1000: I will try it on GHC tomorrow 
2020-05-03 23:40:45	mpickering	I will make sure your patch gets merged, but with haddock changes there is always a wueue
2020-05-03 23:40:47	mpickering	*queue
2020-05-03 23:46:22	infinisil	mpickering: The only problem I know of is that the glibc version has to match between the one you compile hie/ghcide with and the projects
2020-05-03 23:47:11	mpickering	exactly the issue
2020-05-03 23:47:37	infinisil	So I think one somewhat reasonable solution is for hie/ghcide to provide the nixpkgs/ghc version to be used by the projects
2020-05-03 23:47:44	infinisil	Via some Nix interface
2020-05-03 23:48:20	infinisil	But then you can't just `nix-env` or `environment.systemPackages` those anymore, it would have to be per-project
2020-05-03 23:48:34	infinisil	And all projects will have to use Nix-based builds :/
2020-05-03 23:48:52	infinisil	Kinda shitty of a solution
2020-05-03 23:50:47	mpickering	You can still run into this situation normally anyway but with  nix is a lot easier
2020-05-03 23:51:06	mpickering	so please at least make sure there is section in the readme which contains the exact error you get 
2020-05-03 23:59:49	fendor_	alanz_, regarding CoC, ok, great! I thought it was maybe an artefact from something, just copied from ghcide or something like that
2020-05-04 00:00:41	wz1000	very surprising that nobody has bothered to improve the haddock to markdown renderer I hacked up 3 years ago
2020-05-04 00:01:00	wz1000	I don't think I've even seen a single bug report about its shitty output
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2020-05-04 00:02:35	fendor_	there was a lot of other stuff to fix in between. 
2020-05-04 00:03:42	wz1000	yes, but I would have expected some bug reports at least
2020-05-04 00:04:39	dxld	fendor_: we didn't end up having show-build-info write a buildinfo.json or something by default right?
2020-05-04 00:04:51	wz1000	it even made it through the transition from hie to ghcide unscathed
2020-05-04 00:04:52	fendor_	dxld, no
2020-05-04 00:04:54	dxld	I kinda want that now :)
2020-05-04 00:05:29	fendor_	yeah, makes sense :) Pretty sure lukelau is going to implement it now 
2020-05-04 00:06:08	dxld	yeah I saw again you did end up implementing an --output option
2020-05-04 00:06:19	fendor_	yes, you can dump it into a file
2020-05-04 00:06:20	dxld	so c-i could just always pass that down
2020-05-04 00:06:41	dxld	oh I remember now, we did that because of the stray stdout logging output
2020-05-04 00:07:00	fendor_	exactly yeah. To avoid solving that
2020-05-04 00:09:05	dxld	so I'm thinking about addint a s-b-i parser to cabal-plan
2020-05-04 00:09:50	dxld	as Cabal.BuildInfo or something
2020-05-04 00:09:51	fendor_	yeah, that sounds like a good course of action
2020-05-04 00:10:42	fendor_	in the tests, of the exe:s-b-i pr, there is some basic parser included.
2020-05-04 00:10:57	dxld	ah, neat
2020-05-04 00:11:36	fendor_	not sure if useful for you. I mean, it is just some aeson parser, so, no big deal if you want to re-write it
2020-05-04 00:12:04	fendor_	dont know if we have to think about any forward-compatibility stuff
2020-05-04 00:12:05	dxld	yeah sure cabal-plan also uses aeson
2020-05-04 00:12:19	dxld	nah that's Cabal's problem ;)
2020-05-04 00:12:39	dxld	same as with plan.json anyways
2020-05-04 00:13:00	dxld	so the test isn't merged yet?
2020-05-04 00:13:05	fendor_	yeah, but I suppose you want to still be able to parse it even though some fields are added
2020-05-04 00:13:07	dxld	I thought we had a test for the lib part too
2020-05-04 00:13:12	fendor_	no, there were only integration tests
2020-05-04 00:13:18	fendor_	no, I dont think so
2020-05-04 00:13:24	fendor_	I didnt know how to do them
2020-05-04 00:13:29	dxld	so the test you're talking about is in #6241 then?
2020-05-04 00:13:39	fendor_	one sec
2020-05-04 00:13:46	dxld	oh no hang on that's the old one
2020-05-04 00:14:05	fendor_	yes
2020-05-04 00:14:05	dxld	oh no it is the c-i one
2020-05-04 00:14:18	fendor_	#6241 looks right
2020-05-04 00:14:50	fendor_	https://github.com/haskell/cabal/pull/6241/files#diff-ef85977c44e5dc6aa8bbe01b1af0c52a
2020-05-04 00:15:00	fendor_	dont know if this works
2020-05-04 00:15:13	dxld	ah I think I'll decode by hand and not with the generic stuff
2020-05-04 00:15:18	dxld	but I can steal the types :)
2020-05-04 00:15:20	fendor_	reasonable
2020-05-04 00:15:39	fendor_	dont know if anything changed since then
2020-05-04 00:16:11	dxld	we'll see I gues
2020-05-04 00:16:59	dxld	"cabal-version" is the lib version, yeah?
2020-05-04 00:17:17	fendor_	I would assume so
2020-05-04 00:17:19	dxld	bummer we have that overloaded now, plan.json has cabal-lib-version for that
2020-05-04 00:17:31	dxld	and cabal-version for the cabal-install one
2020-05-04 00:18:34	fendor_	are you going to use it in c-h now?
2020-05-04 00:19:10	dxld	I guess
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2020-05-04 00:19:47	fendor_	or do you have other plans?
2020-05-04 00:19:48	dxld	though I'll have to fuck around with compiling setup.hs still until we have the c-i part nailed down
2020-05-04 00:20:15	dxld	tbh SetupWrapper (the thing that compiles Setup.hs in cabal) isn't that great either
2020-05-04 00:20:18	dxld	so what does it matter
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2020-05-04 00:20:30	dxld	I'm only going to support it for v2 though
2020-05-04 00:20:45	dxld	v1 has too many SetupWrapper problems with custom setup
2020-05-04 00:21:45	fendor_	sounds fine to me, or are there still big players out there using v1 commands?
2020-05-04 00:21:53	dxld	not that I know
2020-05-04 00:22:01	dxld	it would only be aproblem for custom setup anyways
2020-05-04 00:22:06	dxld	which is a subset of a subset
2020-05-04 00:22:52	alanz_	I always reckon custom setups are deliberately going off into the weeds, and must not expect to be able to use standard tools there
2020-05-04 00:22:58	fendor_	why is it a problem for custom setups?
2020-05-04 00:23:31	jeffwindsor	hi, I volunteered to help with issue #5 Add Tests,  I cloned the repo `git clone --recurse-submodules -j8 git@github.com:haskell/haskell-language-server.git`, linked `hie.yaml` to hie.yaml.stack.  `stack build succeeds` but when i run `stack test`  I am getting test failures in ghcide Main.hs (line 1357).  So checking that is expected
2020-05-04 00:24:04	dxld	alanz_: they work fine for v2 :)
2020-05-04 00:24:10	dxld	I even have test suite coverage for that now
2020-05-04 00:24:26	dxld	but with v1 I have this bug: https://github.com/haskell/cabal/issues/6749
2020-05-04 00:24:51	fendor_	jeffwindsor, yes, that is expected 
2020-05-04 00:25:00	alanz_	ok
2020-05-04 00:25:05	dxld	maybe the nix people have the right idea after all
2020-05-04 00:25:21	dxld	if there is only one thing to worry about, the thing on $PATH, then most things work ;)
2020-05-04 00:25:26	jeffwindsor	@fendor_ thanks
2020-05-04 00:26:18	fendor_	jeffwindsor, I think the bugs are mainly that the ProgressDone notification is not sent correctly, or out of order or something like that
2020-05-04 00:26:23	fendor_	nothing criticial, iirc
2020-05-04 00:29:36	mpickering	welcome to the channel jeffwindsor 
2020-05-04 00:30:01	jeffwindsor	thanks
2020-05-04 00:30:41	fendor_	of course, I am sorry for being impolite, welcome jeffwindsor! Thank you for tackling issue #5 :)
2020-05-04 00:34:05	fendor_	hls needs to warn for redundant pattern matches. And non-exhaustive ones >_<
2020-05-04 00:35:26	alanz_	fendor_, it is related to ghcide only doing typchecking, not core. I gather. And I agree, we need to have that
2020-05-04 00:35:56	alanz_	but perhaps using the priority process, so we do that after all the other changes have stabilised first. A scheduling thing
2020-05-04 00:36:59	mpickering	fendor_: Did you make any more progress on the cabal scripts issue?
2020-05-04 00:37:10	fendor_	mpickering, no, didnt do anything yesterday
2020-05-04 00:37:16	fendor_	just made burgers
2020-05-04 00:37:21	mpickering	what did you do instead for a whole day
2020-05-04 00:37:28	mpickering	I am actually struggling with this so any help would be good
2020-05-04 00:37:46	fendor_	with running the cabal scripts?
2020-05-04 00:37:53	fendor_	or with which issue in particular?
2020-05-04 00:38:12	mpickering	The issue of doing things in my life other than programming
2020-05-04 00:38:28	fendor_	oh, ahaha :D I misread 
2020-05-04 00:39:01	fendor_	well, apparently cooking is one way to lose a day!
2020-05-04 00:39:12	fendor_	*spend
2020-05-04 00:39:46	fendor_	but we are eight people in the household, that is one reason cooking takes a lot of time
2020-05-04 00:40:45	mpickering	haha oh right
2020-05-04 00:40:59	mpickering	so live with more people is your advice :) 
2020-05-04 00:41:13	alanz_	definitely
2020-05-04 00:41:25	fendor_	not sure that is great advice, then you have to fight for your food some times >_<
2020-05-04 00:41:49	alanz_	maybe with one person then, not 8
2020-05-04 00:42:53	fendor_	yeah maybe. It is still fun. At least, you almost always have someone play table tennis with
2020-05-04 00:43:13	fendor_	or to feed the guinea pigs for you
2020-05-04 00:45:29	jeffwindsor	@fendor_ Hate to ask a noobish question, but since `stack test` exits at these test errors in ghcide.  What do you guys do to get stack to keep going even on some test failures?  is there a flag for that?
2020-05-04 00:45:49	fendor_	jeffwindsor, that is not a noobish question! 
2020-05-04 00:46:31	fendor_	and I actually dont really know. I always use cabal :/
2020-05-04 00:46:49	fendor_	does it really stop at the ghcide tests? 
2020-05-04 00:47:05	fendor_	you can specify the exact target
2020-05-04 00:47:11	alanz_	I do "stack --stack-yaml=stack.yaml test haskell-language-server:func-test"
2020-05-04 00:47:16	fendor_	e.g. `stack test haskell-language-server:func-test`
2020-05-04 00:47:38	jeffwindsor	nice, let me try that
2020-05-04 00:47:57	fendor_	you can see the targets available via `stack ide targets`
2020-05-04 00:47:59	alanz_	and you can also do `stack --stack-yaml=stack.yaml test haskell-language-server:func-test --test-arguments "--match \"/symbol providers/\""`
2020-05-04 00:48:07	alanz_	if you want to run a specific one only
2020-05-04 00:48:20	alanz_	the quoting is a bugger though
2020-05-04 00:49:07	jeffwindsor	sweet learned something new and useful today, and unfortunately with out a spec target it just exits on a test failure 
2020-05-04 00:49:11	jeffwindsor	```
2020-05-04 00:49:33	fendor_	jeffwindsor, please always ask away when you have any question! way faster than to get stuck on some silly problems for hours or even days
2020-05-04 00:49:47	jeffwindsor	will do
2020-05-04 00:50:13	jeffwindsor	is cabal a better way to go, i only used stack because it is all i have ever used
2020-05-04 00:51:02	fendor_	jeffwindsor, it doesnt really matter. Whatever you prefer. Personally, I use cabal, but mainly because my OS (nixos) doesnt work that well with stack
2020-05-04 00:52:16	fendor_	if you are comfortable with stack, then use it. Iirc, it should always work
2020-05-04 00:55:04	alanz_	I think the tests only run with stack at the moment? I could be wrong
2020-05-04 00:55:22	jeffwindsor	cool
2020-05-04 00:55:23	alanz_	and we need to get them to run with cabal, some time. If not already happening
2020-05-04 00:56:01	fendor_	alanz_, no, I changed that
2020-05-04 00:56:02	alanz_	one of the tasks we have is to get the ghcide tests to pass. 
2020-05-04 00:56:07	fendor_	they use `direct` cradles now
2020-05-04 00:56:29	alanz_	when I last looked, the problem is that our branch is too fast, so the expected progress reports in the original tests dont show up :)
2020-05-04 00:56:33	alanz_	fendor_, great
2020-05-04 00:56:41	fendor_	basically `cradle: { direct: [-i.] }`
2020-05-04 00:57:53	fendor_	we might have to ignore some compilation artefacts. Will get to it, once we have more tests ;D 
2020-05-04 00:58:06	fendor_	jeffwindsor, do you need an explanation what the `cradle` stuff is?
2020-05-04 00:58:41	jeffwindsor	yes please
2020-05-04 00:59:22	fendor_	jeffwindsor, ok, you know, in a cabal file, there are different *components*, such as the library, an executable or the test-suites
2020-05-04 00:59:29	jeffwindsor	yes
2020-05-04 00:59:58	fendor_	each of these components might need to be compiled differently, since the test-suite has different dependencies than the library
2020-05-04 01:00:55	jeffwindsor	sure
2020-05-04 01:01:13	fendor_	we introduced the concept of a "cradle", which knows how to load these components 
2020-05-04 01:01:48	fendor_	a cradle might be a `cabal` cradle, or a `stack` cradle, which means we essentially ask cabal and stack how we can load these components
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2020-05-04 01:02:31	fendor_	but there are different kind of cradles, too, such as the "none" cradle, which roughly means that the component shouldnt be loaded at all
2020-05-04 01:03:04	fendor_	then there is the `direct` cradle. In this cradle, you can specify exactly the ghc arguments that are needed to compile a module (or a whole component)
2020-05-04 01:03:32	fendor_	you can explicitly write out a mapping from a filepath to component via a so-called `hie.yaml` file
2020-05-04 01:03:46	fendor_	the specification of these files can be found here: https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/
2020-05-04 01:04:30	fendor_	so, the tests use explicit `hie.yaml` files (that are generated on test-execution) with a direct-cradle
2020-05-04 01:05:43	fendor_	Wherever these files are, hls assumes the project root. This is helpful, e.g. the testdata is located within the hls folder, which has a cabal.project file.
2020-05-04 01:06:46	fendor_	without these hie.yaml files, hls will assume that the cabal.project (or stack.yaml if executed from stack) is the project root and tries to initializes the project hls.
2020-05-04 01:07:25	fendor_	however, we do not want this, therefore we write a hie.yaml file in the testdata dir, to tell hls how to load the files in testdata
2020-05-04 01:08:49	jeffwindsor	hmm, ok I think i follow the high level gist of that 
2020-05-04 01:09:00	fendor_	awesome :)
2020-05-04 01:09:29	fendor_	I am never sure if my explanations make any sense for anyone not already familiar with it
2020-05-04 01:09:55	fendor_	ideally, you dont have to worry about it for #5
2020-05-04 01:10:19	jeffwindsor	one more question, I am currently using webchat, do you guys, who use mac, use some other client or means to interact with this channel?
2020-05-04 01:10:51	fendor_	I am using hexchat, but I am not on mac
2020-05-04 01:19:25	alanz_	I use hexchat, connecting via irccloud, where I have a paid account
2020-05-04 01:22:36	wz1000	I use weechat running in tmux on a VPS
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2020-05-04 04:57:23	lukelau	jeffwindsor: I use colloquy, its open source but you need to build it yourself
2020-05-04 04:57:25	lukelau	oh theyre gone
2020-05-04 04:58:16	lukelau	fendor_ dxld: yeah i’m cleaning up that show-build-info branch, feel free to review etc
2020-05-04 04:58:33	lukelau	i think most of the existing comments were just refactoring issues
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2020-05-04 12:55:43	mpickering	wz1000: Can you make it so I can push to your ranch?
2020-05-04 12:55:47	mpickering	*branch
2020-05-04 13:18:03	mpickering	Left a review now
2020-05-04 13:26:01	wz1000	mpickering: sent you an invite
2020-05-04 13:26:16	mpickering	I am seeing some go to definition requests failing
2020-05-04 13:26:18	mpickering	will try to debug it
2020-05-04 13:30:20	wz1000	ok. I won't be around for the next few hours, will be back in the evening
2020-05-04 13:30:27	mpickering	Also if you open a file and quickly try to jump to definition, it blocks 
2020-05-04 13:30:34	mpickering	Not sure if it should do this or not
2020-05-04 13:30:40	mpickering	don't think it's your fault in particular
2020-05-04 13:32:11	mpickering	I think the `OfInterest` rule is causing it
2020-05-04 13:43:27	wz1000	I think some kind of global sharing of the DocMap might be good
2020-05-04 13:47:17	mpickering	I was wondering how you were planning to implement "Find All References" without loading all hie files into memory 
2020-05-04 13:47:27	wz1000	hiedb
2020-05-04 13:47:43	mpickering	can you just keep incrementally adding hie files in there?
2020-05-04 13:47:43	wz1000	we reindex files as they are generated
2020-05-04 13:47:46	wz1000	yes
2020-05-04 13:47:50	mpickering	sounds nice
2020-05-04 13:47:54	mpickering	could do the same for docmap then?
2020-05-04 13:48:07	wz1000	hmm. also position mapping isn't relevent to docmap
2020-05-04 13:48:20	wz1000	since its a map from Names to Docs
2020-05-04 13:48:25	wz1000	no positions involved
2020-05-04 13:48:32	wz1000	add docmap to hiedb?
2020-05-04 13:48:55	mpickering	seems like you may as well reuse the same machinery for both
2020-05-04 13:49:23	wz1000	hmm. then hiedb will have to learn how to read .hi files since docs are in those
2020-05-04 13:49:48	wz1000	and those .hi files will have to be compiled with Opt_Haddock
2020-05-04 13:49:51	mpickering	Depends how you implement it
2020-05-04 13:50:03	mpickering	ghcide will feed this information into hiedb I am imagining
2020-05-04 13:50:19	wz1000	that makes sense
2020-05-04 13:50:20	mpickering	so it will have already read the interface file, just needs to pipe it into hiedb
2020-05-04 13:51:09	mpickering	You can also abstract over the storage then
2020-05-04 13:51:13	wz1000	I added this commit to hiedb yesterday: https://github.com/wz1000/HieDb/commit/0d330f0c27d2d8c5b296ca99ec546c84b271526a
2020-05-04 13:51:50	mpickering	right exactly
2020-05-04 13:52:28	mpickering	come up with a simple interface so it can be swapped out later easily for different backends
2020-05-04 13:53:07	wz1000	I'm still identifying hiefiles by their path. Do you have any better ideas?
2020-05-04 13:53:54	mpickering	Hmm
2020-05-04 13:54:04	mpickering	the only thing I could think of would be package/module
2020-05-04 13:54:13	mpickering	When the need comes it will be ovious
2020-05-04 13:54:16	wz1000	along with unitid?
2020-05-04 13:54:42	mpickering	unit id for inplace packages is not contentful
2020-05-04 13:55:01	wz1000	one issue with package/module might be standalone executables
2020-05-04 13:55:11	mpickering	yeah paths is fine for now
2020-05-04 13:55:19	mpickering	and is how everything in LSP land works alread
2020-05-04 13:55:30	wz1000	path of the hiefile to be clear
2020-05-04 13:55:35	wz1000	not the source
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2020-05-04 13:59:21	wz1000	Another thing I noticed is that we are not getting docs for things defined in the same module, even after my last commit yesterday
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2020-05-04 14:00:02	mpickering	probably because the interface file is not generated?
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2020-05-04 14:02:34	wz1000	right. should we do anything about it?
2020-05-04 14:03:21	wz1000	generate the interface when the docmap is requested?
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2020-05-04 14:04:24	mpickering	how did it work before?
2020-05-04 14:06:43	wz1000	did it? I'm using pretty much the same codepath as before
2020-05-04 14:07:03	mpickering	perhaps not then
2020-05-04 14:10:08	wz1000	how about on typecheck, we report diagnostics and then kick off a rebuild of iface and hie files?
2020-05-04 14:10:25	mpickering	sounds sensible
2020-05-04 14:10:52	mpickering	but it interacts poorly with your GetHieFile rule
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2020-05-04 15:41:35	davidMD	Hi Guys, great to see how well this project is coming along. Is there a way of installing this using nix?
2020-05-04 15:43:41	fendor	davidMD, Hi! I dont think hls has a nix-expression currently, but the older hie does
2020-05-04 15:49:47	davidMD	Cool thanks, I'll just stick to daml/ghc-ide for now then. I'd be keen to get contributing again in the not too distant future though. Is ghcide going away or is it remaining a separate, dependent project? I imagine keeping the shake graph stuff in a dependency might be useful
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2020-05-04 15:54:12	fendor	davidMD, ghcide will remain as a separate dependency. HLS is basically meant to be batteries included while ghcide is more basic
2020-05-04 15:56:16	 *	jneira /join #haskell-language-server ;-)
2020-05-04 15:56:34	jneira	i am alone :-D
2020-05-04 15:57:14	fendor	haha, Is that a thing? 
2020-05-04 15:57:59	davidMD	Ah sounds good, so less messing around trying to pull a Ghc Session out of the ether on the users end. Thanks
2020-05-04 16:00:30	fendor	Well, how the ghc session is set-up is no different in ghcide/hie/hls (or hardly)
2020-05-04 16:02:45	jneira	> is that a thing?
2020-05-04 16:03:06	jneira	ye it is now, but i am confined inside :-P
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2020-05-04 16:25:15	fendor	I cant send in that channel anymore, I think
2020-05-04 16:40:02	jneira	oh, i'm an irc newby, dont know why
2020-05-04 16:40:43	jneira	uh i set +m by error
2020-05-04 16:41:26	mpickering	I sometimes feel like we should stop using IRC for something else
2020-05-04 16:41:32	mpickering	as youngsters seem to have real issues using it
2020-05-04 16:42:11	michaelpj	I've started using matrix and the IRC bridge, it's quite good
2020-05-04 16:42:42	jneira	https://kiwiirc.com/nextclient/ works fine imo and it does not eat gb of ram
2020-05-04 16:43:45	jneira	the best thing is all talks are lost and everybody dont assume you have read them without ack
2020-05-04 16:44:08	mpickering	I seem to be here all waking hours anyway at the moment..
2020-05-04 16:44:32	jneira	so you *have* to write importnt things in other place (github, email, group, etc)
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2020-05-04 16:45:00	jneira	yeah, it has its downsides
2020-05-04 16:45:34	jneira	i guess in old days the combo irc+email group was inseparable
2020-05-04 16:46:43	jneira	my laptop cant handle slack so i have no much to choose :-P
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2020-05-04 16:51:54	mpickering	I enjoy using zulip tbh
2020-05-04 16:52:06	mpickering	it has threaded conversations :o 
2020-05-04 16:54:17	 *	jneira takes a look
2020-05-04 16:55:22	wz1000	IRC works for me and I don't like change. It also justifies the 2.5 eur a month I pay for a VPS which is occasionally handy for other purposes as well
2020-05-04 16:57:44	mpickering	I use the ghcweek zulip to communicate with Sven still about ghc-debug.. 
2020-05-04 16:57:48	mpickering	not sure how we ended up in that situation
2020-05-04 16:58:35	mpickering	jneira: funprog.zulipchat.com
2020-05-04 16:59:54	mpickering	There are obviously advantages to IRC, for example, we get to talk to Zubin
2020-05-04 17:00:08	mpickering	but we can't keep using it forever surely..
2020-05-04 17:00:15	Uniaika	< mpickering> as youngsters seem to have real issues using it // that was true for every youngster on IRC I think
2020-05-04 17:01:48	mpickering	When I was at university the computing society still offered free bouncers and I don't think they do anymore
2020-05-04 17:05:03	Uniaika	a bunch of engineering schools with old-school associations still provide bouncers like znc or quassel web interfaces
2020-05-04 17:07:53	mpickering	I try to look at all the channels occasionally as different people hangout in each of them
2020-05-04 17:08:14	mpickering	and it's good for public relations to appear every once in a while as a GHC developer and IDE developer
2020-05-04 17:08:25	Uniaika	:P
2020-05-04 17:08:32	mpickering	but people know that in order to truly find me, they must come to IRC ;) 
2020-05-04 17:11:02	wz1000	I leeched of free student AWS and digital ocean credits to run my bouncers until they ran out and I finally caved in to paying for my own server
2020-05-04 17:11:49	mpickering	wz1000: Your patch is stable for me working on GHC btw
2020-05-04 17:12:03	mpickering	and I also added back your scheduler patch
2020-05-04 17:12:19	mpickering	that does still make a good difference
2020-05-04 17:12:44	wz1000	nice. did you figure out the definition issue or get a reproducible example?
2020-05-04 17:13:06	mpickering	Nope
2020-05-04 17:13:18	wz1000	how are you finding the new hover?
2020-05-04 17:13:32	mpickering	I did make another change though, I stopped the modification to FilesOfInterest triggering typechecking 
2020-05-04 17:13:38	mpickering	not sure if that's good or not
2020-05-04 17:13:58	mpickering	but it is not necessary to typecheck all the files of interest whenever you modify the set
2020-05-04 17:14:03	mpickering	What about the hover?
2020-05-04 17:14:05	mpickering	Seems to work lol
2020-05-04 17:14:32	mpickering	It seems to show two types
2020-05-04 17:14:36	wz1000	I basically reimplemented it from scratch. tried to make it close to the previous one
2020-05-04 17:14:45	wz1000	yeah
2020-05-04 17:14:53	mpickering	I mean, it's fast and shows the right types
2020-05-04 17:14:56	wz1000	one is the type of the node, other is the type of the variables
2020-05-04 17:15:11	wz1000	it should show multiple types on polymorphic stuff
2020-05-04 17:15:24	wz1000	try it with recordwildcards
2020-05-04 17:15:45	mpickering	ah nothing in GHC is polymorphic :) 
2020-05-04 17:15:59	wz1000	ppr?
2020-05-04 17:16:05	mpickering	Jokes jokes
2020-05-04 17:16:11	mpickering	ok if I hover over return I get 3 types
2020-05-04 17:16:16	mpickering	seems a little much
2020-05-04 17:16:40	wz1000	probably should remove the first one if there's only a single variable
2020-05-04 17:17:14	mpickering	and why does it show `_ ::`?
2020-05-04 17:17:18	wz1000	but the single point, single identifier assumption doesn't hold in haskell
2020-05-04 17:17:33	wz1000	so that you get syntax highlighting on the type lol
2020-05-04 17:17:51	mpickering	but it already shows `b :: `
2020-05-04 17:17:56	mpickering	or `name ::`
2020-05-04 17:18:08	mpickering	basically I never noticed this stuff
2020-05-04 17:18:12	wz1000	yes, that is for the identifiers
2020-05-04 17:18:26	wz1000	the types in the end are for the syntax node itself
2020-05-04 17:18:33	mpickering	ok, you should ask some people who look at the warnings when they compile their code what they think
2020-05-04 17:19:02	wz1000	It'll be clear if you hover over the {..} in a RecordWildcard thing
2020-05-04 17:19:05	mpickering	My feedback is I will merge your patch if you split it into logical commits as I indicated in the MR
2020-05-04 17:19:23	mpickering	If I hover a normal _ though it doesn't show the type in a pattern
2020-05-04 17:19:47	wz1000	which ghc are you using?
2020-05-04 17:20:24	mpickering	8.8.1 or 8.8.3 
2020-05-04 17:20:26	mpickering	probably 3
2020-05-04 17:20:42	mpickering	Ah if I hover over record wildcards it says it brings the selectors into scope as well
2020-05-04 17:20:44	mpickering	but that's not correct
2020-05-04 17:21:11	wz1000	why not?
2020-05-04 17:21:21	mpickering	because the selectors are not in scope on the RHS?
2020-05-04 17:21:48	wz1000	is this on a pattern or an expression?
2020-05-04 17:21:55	mpickering	Pattern
2020-05-04 17:22:13	mpickering	and also if you write a pattern the local variables have a filepath as their location
2020-05-04 17:22:17	mpickering	but the selectors have a module name
2020-05-04 17:23:00	 *	mpickering goes to get lunch
2020-05-04 17:24:40	wz1000	the location thing is correct no? the local variables are bound by the pattern, the selectors are bound in the record definition
2020-05-04 17:25:09	wz1000	but I agree, it shouldn't show the selectors
2020-05-04 17:25:20	wz1000	but GHC puts them into the AST at that point too
2020-05-04 17:28:40	wz1000	maybe we could reorient our perspective so the selectors make sense - the local variables are bound by the selectors after all, so you could see the {..} as implicitly referencing those
2020-05-04 17:32:18	jneira	i think with zulip and discord you cover all main haskell hackers :-P
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2020-05-04 18:31:13	jophish	What do people mean when they talk about multi component support? Is it: given a project with exe:foo which depends on lib:bar being able to get a session going for a file in foo without having to 'cabal build' lib:bar?
2020-05-04 18:31:43	jophish	At the moment I have a hacky script which parses package.yaml and spits out the flags to do this (-ibar etc...) to be passed into a direct cradle
2020-05-04 18:43:48	mpickering	indeed
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2020-05-04 18:51:42	jophish	super!
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2020-05-04 19:19:54	lukelau	alanz_: can we merge https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/234 and https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/242 and make a new haskell-lsp release?
2020-05-04 19:27:11	reactormonk	Is there a way to have an empty cradle for a path? That part has a ghc plugin, which makes HIE crash
2020-05-04 19:27:46	mpickering	reactormonk: Not at the moment
2020-05-04 19:28:04	reactormonk	So how would I handle that situation?
2020-05-04 19:28:14	mpickering	Open the file in vim instead :)
2020-05-04 19:28:23	mpickering	or implement the fix
2020-05-04 19:28:35	lukelau	can you not use none-cradles for paths?
2020-05-04 19:28:41	mpickering	What is recommended way to use lsp with emacs?
2020-05-04 19:28:45	mpickering	lukelau: Not implemented for ghcide
2020-05-04 19:28:58	lukelau	ah but is reactormonk not using hie
2020-05-04 19:29:07	mpickering	oh right, I forgot about that
2020-05-04 19:29:19	lukelau	also lsp-mode and haskell-lsp is what alanz is using i believe
2020-05-04 19:29:24	lukelau	for emacs
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2020-05-04 21:03:37	Heffalump	if I want to use haskell-language-server with VS code, should I just re-use the ghcide plugin?
2020-05-04 21:06:45	mpickering	Heffalump: That is what people are doing
2020-05-04 21:07:17	Heffalump	thanks
2020-05-04 21:07:33	mpickering	In fact they are usually using the hie plugin
2020-05-04 21:07:36	mpickering	as hls takes the same arguments
2020-05-04 21:09:47	Heffalump	i.e. the hie plugin and not the ghcide plugin, or are both equally good?
2020-05-04 21:11:53	fendor	Heffalump, afaik, the hie plugin is more sophisticated
2020-05-04 21:15:28	Heffalump	I'm familiar with ghcide so would be happy to keep using it if there aren't gotchas.
2020-05-04 21:15:52	Heffalump	I mean the plugin, on the assumption that hls will behave the "same" as the ghcide executable.
2020-05-04 21:17:50	mpickering	Heffalump: They take different flags I think
2020-05-04 21:18:43	mpickering	I am not sure ghcide plugin + hls works
2020-05-04 21:18:47	Heffalump	ok, so in summary I should use the hie plugin.
2020-05-04 21:18:58	mpickering	that is something which is known to work
2020-05-04 21:19:23	Heffalump	right, thanks
2020-05-04 21:19:56	mpickering	fendor: What are you currently focusing on, if anything?
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2020-05-04 21:22:30	fendor	mpickering, hlint plugin and fixing this interface file error
2020-05-04 21:23:35	fendor	I wanted to ask you, you think it makes sense to just merge the options of all components together (in a set) and then take the hash of it?
2020-05-04 21:23:44	fendor	so that every component uses the same cache-dir?
2020-05-04 21:23:51	fendor	did I understand that correctly?
2020-05-04 21:23:56	mpickering	yes
2020-05-04 21:24:03	mpickering	but I don't think you can do that in case two components have the same module
2020-05-04 21:24:50	fendor	makes sense
2020-05-04 21:24:57	mpickering	so we want a different dir for each component
2020-05-04 21:25:01	fendor	but how likely is that?
2020-05-04 21:25:18	mpickering	doesn't matter if it's likely or not? You will have to fix it later when it happens
2020-05-04 21:25:30	fendor	yeah, true.
2020-05-04 21:25:40	mpickering	But if you already have a hash of all options you can add a specific salt for each component right?
2020-05-04 21:26:04	mpickering	perhaps if you hash all the options together + the unit-id 
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2020-05-04 21:27:11	fendor	do you know why this interface file error occurs?
2020-05-04 21:27:35	mpickering	yeah because if you use the wrong interface file then the module information about where some identifiers is wrong
2020-05-04 21:27:46	fendor	ok, but why do we get a wrong interface file?
2020-05-04 21:27:47	mpickering	For example some are from `fake_uid` and some are from `generic-lens-core-inplace`
2020-05-04 21:28:01	fendor	currently, each component is in its own cache-dir, afaict
2020-05-04 21:28:40	mpickering	right but what happens is that you like C1 which depends on C2
2020-05-04 21:28:45	mpickering	*load C1
2020-05-04 21:28:54	mpickering	So all the interface files mention `c2-inplace` as the module
2020-05-04 21:29:13	mpickering	then if you load `c2` into the same component then you have to make new interface files
2020-05-04 21:29:32	mpickering	as if you read an old one then it will say an identifier is from `c2-inplace` rather than `fake_uid`
2020-05-04 21:29:35	mpickering	that's my understanding anyway
2020-05-04 21:29:55	mpickering	If your patch doesn't fix it then I will look into it more
2020-05-04 21:30:16	fendor	so, would that mean that if I opened the component in the order C2 -> C1, this bug should not arise?
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2020-05-04 21:30:45	wz1000	jophish: btw did you get to the bottom of that bug with the uniques?
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2020-05-04 21:31:29	mpickering	fendor: Right that should be fine to my understanding
2020-05-04 21:31:46	fendor	ok, will try it
2020-05-04 21:31:51	mpickering	but my opinion of this bug that attempting this fix would be faster than a proper diagnostic
2020-05-04 21:32:01	mpickering	because the errors you get are pretty strange
2020-05-04 21:32:19	mpickering	wz1000: Are you happy splitting your commit up yourself or would you like some help?
2020-05-04 21:32:31	mpickering	I can do it if you would rather keep going with features
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2020-05-04 21:33:38	fendor	I would like to have a deeper understanding of it. That's why fiddling around with it
2020-05-04 21:34:18	wz1000	mpickering: go for it if you really want to
2020-05-04 21:34:20	fendor	*why I am fiddling
2020-05-04 21:34:24	wz1000	I must warn you though
2020-05-04 21:34:50	wz1000	lazygit does not work with signed commits like mine
2020-05-04 21:35:33	mpickering	I have dealt with worse
2020-05-04 21:35:52	mpickering	It seems like a better separation of efforts for me to do this
2020-05-04 21:36:25	wz1000	cool, I'm not going to complain
2020-05-04 21:39:26	mpickering	and I would quite like find all references for working on GHC
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2020-05-04 21:41:41	jneira_[m]	Maybe we should add a little section in hls on how to use it in popular editor: it is not the first time that someone asks how to do it
2020-05-04 21:42:04	mpickering	good idea jneira_[m] 
2020-05-04 21:42:25	wz1000	hah, that's too bad. I'm going to use all the time you're saving me to implement yet another source code formatter
2020-05-04 21:43:01	jneira_[m]	Maybe this night, with childs in bed 😛
2020-05-04 21:43:30	mpickering	wz1000: If I rebase your commits then there may actually end up being some comments in them
2020-05-04 21:43:41	mpickering	so make sure your formatter works with those
2020-05-04 22:08:41	fendor	mpickering, as a poc, I hard-coded the cache-dir, I still get the error https://gist.github.com/fendor/c850cf3e511d03e6c83cbd397b34b122 on the cabal code-base
2020-05-04 22:09:26	fendor	what was the repo you reproduced the interface error again? lens or what was it?
2020-05-04 22:10:26	jophish	wz1000: sadly no, this is the issue https://github.com/input-output-hk/haskell.nix/issues/553
2020-05-04 22:10:49	jophish	but I'm now back to building hie with regular nix infra so am no longer affected
2020-05-04 22:18:59	fendor	generic-lens
2020-05-04 22:19:06	fendor	going to try it on that repo
2020-05-04 22:22:35	alanz_	lukelau, late, but done
2020-05-04 22:22:51	alanz_	And if you want to prepare a release, go for it
2020-05-04 22:23:34	lukelau	alanz_: no worries, ill get started on the release
2020-05-04 22:24:02	alanz_	great
2020-05-04 22:24:03	fendor	mpickering, also, did you fix the package-imports problems somewhere in one of your ghcide branches?
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2020-05-04 22:37:03	wz1000	mpickering: how do unitids work in ghcide? are they all fake_uid?
2020-05-04 22:37:48	fendor	wz1000, I think so, yeah. 
2020-05-04 22:38:09	wz1000	even for multi-project/component?
2020-05-04 22:40:41	fendor	yes, I think so
2020-05-04 22:41:13	fendor	I spent some time understanding the code, and iirc, every unitid is set to fake_uid
2020-05-04 22:41:43	fendor	so that everything is essentially a single package, as I have understood it
2020-05-04 22:42:39	wz1000	cool
2020-05-04 22:44:35	fendor	does that make sense? Everything should happen in the same HscEnv
2020-05-04 22:45:15	wz1000	really? aren't there different HscEnvs for different components?
2020-05-04 22:46:26	fendor	hm, yeah, I was thinking the same... Need to take a look at it again :/ component use different cache-dirs, I suppose that wouldnt work in the same hscenv?
2020-05-04 22:55:13	fendor	no, I actualyl think I got it partially correct. A single hie.yaml is one hscEnv
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2020-05-04 23:16:20	mpickering	fendor: Where is your patch?
2020-05-04 23:18:44	mpickering	wz1000: I merged your haddock patch can you update the submodule commit then I will assign marge
2020-05-04 23:20:28	wz1000	97f301a63ea8461074bfaa1486eb798e4be65f15?
2020-05-04 23:23:22	wz1000	mpickering: done
2020-05-04 23:25:18	mpickering	need to wait for the mirror to catch up
2020-05-04 23:26:45	wz1000	mpickering: so I got references somewhat working
2020-05-04 23:27:26	wz1000	problem is that sqlite sometimes throws up "nested transation" errors, presumably because of concurrent writes to the same connection
2020-05-04 23:30:33	wz1000	I'm currently looking for sqlite options to get around this. If I can't find any, I will serialize writes by making a worker thread
2020-05-04 23:31:23	mpickering	How have you implemented it?
2020-05-04 23:31:30	mpickering	do you only have one connection to the database?
2020-05-04 23:32:05	wz1000	yes
2020-05-04 23:32:28	wz1000	reads should be fine as far as I can understand
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2020-05-04 23:32:57	mpickering	I am not sure whether sqlite supports concurrent writing
2020-05-04 23:33:31	wz1000	yeah, so I can serialize those by using a worker thread
2020-05-04 23:33:46	wz1000	it does, but not for the same connection I think
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2020-05-04 23:42:58	wz1000	mpickering: should I lock or serialize in a worker thread?
2020-05-04 23:43:09	wz1000	the lock has a cleaner API I can implement in HieDb itself
2020-05-04 23:43:44	wz1000	the lock will be acquired every time hiefiles are generated
2020-05-04 23:44:23	mpickering	you should use a worker thread so you don't block 
2020-05-04 23:44:40	wz1000	actually, I can add the worker thread to hiedb itself
2020-05-04 23:46:18	fendor	mpickering, I tried this: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/compare/master...fendor:wip/bad-interface-files?expand=1
2020-05-04 23:46:32	fendor	which is basically hard-coding the cache-dir
2020-05-04 23:47:00	fendor	btw, did you come around fixing the packageimports problem?
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2020-05-04 23:47:27	mpickering	yeah
2020-05-04 23:47:35	mpickering	your patch doesn't type check for me?
2020-05-04 23:47:37	fendor	ok, then I assume that is not merged into hls yet
2020-05-04 23:47:44	mpickering	it should be
2020-05-04 23:48:34	fendor	hm, maybe I am building a wrong version, will try again
2020-05-04 23:48:54	fendor	for me the branch compiles
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2020-05-04 23:59:26	mpickering	and you can see interface files in that directory?
2020-05-05 00:00:19	fendor	yeah
2020-05-05 00:00:49	fendor	*.hi and *.hie files according to the project structure
2020-05-05 00:07:23	mpickering	Can you reliably reproduce this?
2020-05-05 00:08:49	mpickering	I guess you open cabal-install then Cabal?
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2020-05-05 00:15:12	fendor	yeh
2020-05-05 00:15:45	fendor	first open works, then opening only cabal-install shows the error https://gist.github.com/fendor/c850cf3e511d03e6c83cbd397b34b122
2020-05-05 00:15:57	fendor	opening something from Cabal fixes the file, but there are still errors left
2020-05-05 00:16:42	fendor	in IndexUtils, the pkgId can be from multiple packages
2020-05-05 00:19:52	mpickering	Right so this is why your patch doesn't fix the issue
2020-05-05 00:20:11	mpickering	Because when you open cabal-install for the second time
2020-05-05 00:20:20	mpickering	it tries to use a .hi file which references Cabal with fake_uid
2020-05-05 00:22:52	fendor	ah. ok that makes sense
2020-05-05 00:23:34	wz1000	congrats fendor and lukelau 
2020-05-05 00:24:21	fendor	wz1000, thank you :) and thanks to you and mpickering for mentoring ! :)
2020-05-05 00:25:05	lukelau	wz1000: thanks!
2020-05-05 00:25:12	lukelau	how do we see our mentors actually
2020-05-05 00:25:35	mpickering	lukelau: You have down Alan, Pepe and Zubin
2020-05-05 00:25:52	lukelau	awesome
2020-05-05 00:26:47	mpickering	Can you write this blog post for Friday?
2020-05-05 00:27:00	mpickering	I want to get a weekly series going where between us we are writing one a week for the summer
2020-05-05 00:27:05	lukelau	i believe so
2020-05-05 00:27:10	lukelau	that sounds good
2020-05-05 00:27:13	mpickering	and I will put them all on my site so they are all in one place
2020-05-05 00:27:17	mpickering	feel free to cross-post it as well
2020-05-05 00:27:37	lukelau	fendor: can i pick your brains for a bit as well about your project whenever youre free
2020-05-05 00:27:59	lukelau	also whatever you guys are working on mpickering wz1000 jneira 
2020-05-05 00:28:18	mpickering	sure can we chat tomorrow?
2020-05-05 00:28:37	lukelau	sounds good
2020-05-05 00:28:39	mpickering	I need to concentrate with Zubin's Very Good patch
2020-05-05 00:28:58	fendor	lukelau, sure
2020-05-05 00:32:30	lukelau	fendor: do you have the link to your proposal again?
2020-05-05 00:32:42	fendor	uhm...
2020-05-05 00:32:44	fendor	wait a second
2020-05-05 00:32:57	lukelau	i thought the gsoc site linked to them but i cant even find mine anymore lol
2020-05-05 00:33:10	fendor	same
2020-05-05 00:33:10	fendor	https://hackmd.io/UTaLwQzRQva71RsmEt4-8Q
2020-05-05 00:33:25	lukelau	cool, i want to read this again first before i ask you stupid questions
2020-05-05 00:33:45	fendor	I doubt you could ask any dumb question.
2020-05-05 00:34:04	fendor	In the sense of, I doubt there are dumb questions here
2020-05-05 00:34:08	wz1000	I'm also free tomorrow
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2020-05-05 00:34:31	wz1000	got references working: http://78.47.113.11/2020-05-05-000506_grab.png
2020-05-05 00:34:54	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/ghcide/tree/hiedb-refs
2020-05-05 00:34:55	lukelau	wz1000: :+1:
2020-05-05 00:35:06	wz1000	still lots of refinements to be made
2020-05-05 00:35:48	fendor	wz1000, awesome!
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2020-05-05 00:45:28	mpickering	Zubin 🙏
2020-05-05 00:45:50	mpickering	Will try it out tomorrow
2020-05-05 00:46:22	wz1000	how is rebase going? having fun?
2020-05-05 00:47:01	alanz_	fendor, lukelau congrats on GSOC acceptance
2020-05-05 00:47:07	alanz_	going to be a good summer :)
2020-05-05 00:47:26	fendor	alanz_, thank you :) looking forward to it
2020-05-05 00:47:41	alanz_	lots of us are, I think.
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2020-05-05 00:48:58	alanz_	we went from 58 to 593 unique visitors on the repo yesterday, after announcing the tag
2020-05-05 00:49:15	jneira	congrats to both! i'll try to help in what i can
2020-05-05 00:49:28	lukelau	alanz_: indeed, will be good to be working on tooling full-time
2020-05-05 00:50:33	alanz_	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/RxK4S2z2/spike
2020-05-05 00:51:08	alanz_	lukelau, looking forward to it. The project is at a great point, a concerted effort will make all the difference
2020-05-05 00:52:33	fendor	so, now the latest and greatest ghcide fork is hiedb-refs?
2020-05-05 00:53:11	fendor	alanz_, thank you for mentioning the network view in gh, it is way easier to get an overview now
2020-05-05 00:53:55	alanz_	fendor, great. Its my favorite tool. Use it all the time
2020-05-05 00:54:30	alanz_	It used to be the view when you hit the number next to forks on the repo page, then they changed to the members view. To reduce CPU on the server, I suspect
2020-05-05 00:55:09	alanz_	the best thing is its topological, so rebases that keep a date from weeks ago still show up in the right place
2020-05-05 00:56:05	fendor	it really helps. I was a bit confused what currently the top-notch branch is, but now I am sure. 
2020-05-05 01:01:03	lukelau	I’ve made a pr to ghcide, is there a preferred way to cherry-pick the change into the mpickering fork?
2020-05-05 01:02:30	fendor	lukelau, changes seem small, you can probably rebase?
2020-05-05 01:02:43	lukelau	ok, will try that
2020-05-05 01:03:03	fendor	or try cherry-picking :) was just suggesting
2020-05-05 01:03:20	lukelau	wait never mind its not merged yet lol
2020-05-05 01:03:23	mpickering	I would prefer to keep rebasing the hls branch over master
2020-05-05 01:03:33	mpickering	so that commits can be upstreamed more easily later
2020-05-05 01:03:47	lukelau	do we have any non-upstreamable stuff so far?
2020-05-05 01:04:05	mpickering	No I am trying to keep reasonable commit discipline 
2020-05-05 01:07:24	mpickering	Having a great time rebasing Zubin's patch for him
2020-05-05 01:11:24	alanz_	do I detect a hint of sarcasm?
2020-05-05 01:18:17	alanz_	jneira, fendor : wild thought, let the wrapper fall back to the other option if not found. ie let hie-wrapper invoke haskell-language-server exes
2020-05-05 01:19:32	fendor	oh, so, it would be a drop-in replacement, no other change to the plugin necessary 
2020-05-05 01:20:01	fendor	could be helpful to ease the transition
2020-05-05 01:24:07	alanz_	well, that is already the case, you can use ghcide, hie-wrapper, hie, haskell-language-server-wrapper or haskell-language-server interchangeable
2020-05-05 01:24:15	alanz_	from the client perspective
2020-05-05 01:24:39	alanz_	especially to ease the transition
2020-05-05 01:27:44	fendor	yeah, but you have to set the path to the wrapper
2020-05-05 01:28:07	alanz_	yes, they need to be on the path of course. But no other client fiddling
2020-05-05 01:28:10	fendor	which some people have troubles with, since it is not apparent where the wrapper is even located
2020-05-05 01:28:46	fendor	i thought it needs to be an absolute path, on path works, too?
2020-05-05 01:32:47	wz1000	mpickering: what does this mean? https://gitlab.haskell.org/wz1000/ghc/-/jobs/326176
2020-05-05 01:33:40	mpickering	hmm doesn't look good does it
2020-05-05 01:34:27	mpickering	You need to rebase onto master 
2020-05-05 01:34:30	mpickering	and squash anyway
2020-05-05 01:38:06	wz1000	mpickering: done
2020-05-05 01:44:03	alanz_	fendor, not the script, the exe we install. Does that wrapper script even do anything?
2020-05-05 01:44:54	fendor	which wrapper script?
2020-05-05 01:47:26	alanz_	I am looking at the vscode client. there is some script in there, not sure why
2020-05-05 01:47:28	alanz_	let hieLaunchScript = process.platform === 'win32' ? 'hie-vscode.bat' : 'hie-vscode.sh';
2020-05-05 01:47:51	alanz_	double whammy for me: typescript, and windows. 
2020-05-05 01:48:48	alanz_	and ternary operator " let x = cond? trueval : falseval"
2020-05-05 01:50:27	fendor	oh, no clue about that
2020-05-05 01:50:34	fendor	I thought you mean hie-wrapper
2020-05-05 01:51:00	alanz_	I was hoping I was meaning that. The vscode launching logic has got completely crazy.
2020-05-05 01:51:30	alanz_	I think it is cut-and-paste programming, just adding in alternate ways of selecting things, instead of making it clear
2020-05-05 02:04:59	fendor	haha. But it could make sense for hie-wrapper to use hls if available
2020-05-05 02:05:06	fendor	not sure that is entirely wanted
2020-05-05 02:05:22	fendor	since it could be possible that someone wants to use hie but has hls on the path
2020-05-05 02:06:12	alanz_	the crazy thing is if I look at the emacs lsp-haskell config, you set an exe, which is expected to be on the path, and you call it. Boom.
2020-05-05 02:06:40	alanz_	And people use it on linux, windows, mac
2020-05-05 02:06:47	jneira	yeah those intermediate scripts are intriguing
2020-05-05 02:06:54	alanz_	but we have this crazy 4 level system on vscode.
2020-05-05 02:07:11	alanz_	and every time I look at it, I get nervous, thinking it must be there for a reason.
2020-05-05 02:07:36	jneira	the windows one did give us some problems
2020-05-05 02:07:58	alanz_	I reckon I am going to simplify it, make a selector as on emacs
2020-05-05 02:08:10	alanz_	jneira, do you recall what though?
2020-05-05 02:08:43	jneira	https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/blob/master/hie-vscode.bat
2020-05-05 02:08:56	jneira	the last commit in that file fixed the error
2020-05-05 02:10:16	alanz_	the --lsp param? that is a different thing
2020-05-05 02:10:38	alanz_	or https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/commit/bfef6be24acd9f199190256a444772524bf98f33#diff-f7d1da38d6963c3ff41bdfd90182f7a9
2020-05-05 02:10:42	alanz_	__COMPAT_LAYER
2020-05-05 02:11:20	jneira	it simply checks if hie or hie-wrapper is in path and call it
2020-05-05 02:11:43	alanz_	https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/commits/master/hie-vscode.bat
2020-05-05 02:11:56	jneira	alanz: the error was related with changes in params, when we add the debug option in hie (without -lsp)
2020-05-05 02:12:03	jneira	*added
2020-05-05 02:12:16	alanz_	yes, but that is stable now, we no longer need that.
2020-05-05 02:12:23	jneira	yeah
2020-05-05 02:12:26	alanz_	I am more worried about the second last commit
2020-05-05 02:12:54	alanz_	the access violations thing
2020-05-05 02:13:33	alanz_	https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/issues/3765#issuecomment-436407467
2020-05-05 02:13:41	jneira	i am reading the issue pointed in the comment
2020-05-05 02:13:46	alanz_	stack 1.9.1. Maybe we can ignore it now
2020-05-05 02:13:58	jneira	it seems to be something specific to stack 1.9.1
2020-05-05 02:14:11	jneira	yep
2020-05-05 02:14:25	alanz_	so we toss the scripts, launch directly
2020-05-05 02:14:48	jneira	well not sure if we can use to switch between hie and hls...
2020-05-05 02:15:03	alanz_	It is possible to install an earlier version of the extension via the ui, if there are issues we can recommend rolling back, then fix it
2020-05-05 02:15:14	alanz_	jneira, we can. I do it in emacs
2020-05-05 02:15:25	jneira	ok
2020-05-05 02:15:28	alanz_	for testing. Switch between hie, hls *and* ghcide
2020-05-05 02:16:18	alanz_	https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-haskell/blob/e9c306b8246e2b50bf9260f71b3d2e5334b90b30/lsp-haskell.el#L39-L49
2020-05-05 02:16:46	alanz_	one click selection between the first three, else enter an exe to be on the path
2020-05-05 02:17:10	alanz_	I want to do the same for vscode
2020-05-05 02:17:58	jneira	one extension to rule them all, sounds good
2020-05-05 02:18:38	alanz_	makes sense, the extension is just a configuration point
2020-05-05 02:18:49	alanz_	default it to hls, but allow retro config
2020-05-05 02:18:55	jneira	and we can drive the transition setting the appropiate default
2020-05-05 02:19:09	alanz_	or for now default to hie, I suppose. Least surprise
2020-05-05 02:19:48	jneira	we can choose the right time afterwards
2020-05-05 02:20:23	alanz_	yes
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2020-05-05 02:26:10	jneira	tracked: https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/issues/222
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2020-05-05 02:27:33	alanz_	jneira, thanks. And I assume this one is my baby.
2020-05-05 02:28:12	alanz_	Been using far too many languages in the last while. elisp, haskell, typescript, erlang.  And some smalltalk on the side
2020-05-05 02:29:06	jneira	i can give a try after finishing my actual pr's/issues
2020-05-05 02:30:31	alanz_	jneira, its up to you. But you can test on windows, which I cant.
2020-05-05 02:30:48	alanz_	So I can make an initial PR and you take it further?
2020-05-05 02:30:55	alanz_	or shall I just leave it to you?
2020-05-05 02:30:55	jneira	sure
2020-05-05 02:31:12	alanz_	let me do what I can, I have my head sort of around it now
2020-05-05 02:31:26	jneira	:+1:
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2020-05-05 03:14:33	alanz_	format on save in vscode typescript takes some getting used to
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2020-05-05 03:14:48	alanz_	:w is not supposed to change the file.
2020-05-05 03:14:54	alanz_	in my mental model
2020-05-05 03:16:41	alanz_	on windows, can we ask to run "haskell-language-server", or do we need to say "haskell-language-server.exe"?
2020-05-05 03:18:32	fendor	I dont think the .exe is mandatory
2020-05-05 03:19:15	fendor	I have auto-save in vscode, format only happens for me on an explicit save, and that makes sense in my mental model
2020-05-05 03:21:03	alanz_	well, now I know it is there, I do not get as surprised
2020-05-05 03:21:15	alanz_	thought it had deleted something at first
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2020-05-05 03:43:48	jneira	https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/6387985961975808/?sp-page=2
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2020-05-05 03:46:07	jneira	"Update stylish-haskell to use ghc-lib-parser"
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2020-05-05 03:52:42	alanz_	https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/pull/223
2020-05-05 03:53:06	alanz_	any vscode users, kick the tyres ^^
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2020-05-05 03:53:21	alanz_	selectable between hie, hls or ghcide :)
2020-05-05 03:53:34	alanz_	as is emacs lsp-mode already
2020-05-05 04:17:45	mpickering	wz1000: See my wip/zubin-rebase branch
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2020-05-05 04:18:36	mpickering	I checked that all the commits build
2020-05-05 04:20:44	Tuomo	I don't understand how to install the new haskell-language-server. Does it work on GHC 8.8.3 ?
2020-05-05 04:34:53	Tuomo	oh never mind I think I need to edit the shake.yaml for install
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2020-05-05 11:28:18	wz1000	mpickering: nice, looks good.
2020-05-05 11:28:49	wz1000	I like this commit: https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/commit/6aebe993660a998508b3410fac2fe511952f18c2
2020-05-05 11:31:26	wz1000	the dedication to principles is admirable, you fixed readHieFile for 8.6 in the NameCache commit only to delete the entire thing in the next commit
2020-05-05 12:07:18	mpickering	That did occur to me ..
2020-05-05 12:17:38	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/ghcide/tree/hiedb-refs-rebased
2020-05-05 12:23:22	mpickering	thanks will build it now
2020-05-05 12:27:27	wz1000	no warrantees I suspect it might be broken in some scenarios
2020-05-05 12:28:23	mpickering	worry of my life
2020-05-05 12:28:32	mpickering	It works on ghcide no issues that I can see
2020-05-05 12:28:35	wz1000	also it will only give you downstream references initially, so load a module near the root of your tree
2020-05-05 12:29:00	wz1000	once all the hie files have been loaded in the db then it will give you all references
2020-05-05 12:29:35	mpickering	hmm that needs to be fixed
2020-05-05 12:30:19	mpickering	but I would think it wouldn't be too hard as the whole project is loaded initially with the GetModIface rule
2020-05-05 12:30:28	wz1000	Is it?
2020-05-05 12:30:34	wz1000	then it should just work
2020-05-05 12:30:52	wz1000	I didn't really check, this was a hypothesis
2020-05-05 12:30:53	mpickering	Seemed to work in my tests yes
2020-05-05 12:31:08	wz1000	if you are generating hie files for the entire project then there's no problem
2020-05-05 12:31:22	mpickering	does it load the ones from disk if there's one already there?
2020-05-05 12:31:47	wz1000	it updates the db on regeneration
2020-05-05 12:31:54	wz1000	and the db is persistent
2020-05-05 12:32:27	wz1000	so if all your hie files are generated by ghcide it should always stay up to date
2020-05-05 12:32:43	mpickering	I think currently that is not guaranteed
2020-05-05 12:33:03	wz1000	that hie files are generated by ghcide?
2020-05-05 12:33:04	mpickering	Works on GHC as well, really fast
2020-05-05 12:33:17	wz1000	it only indexes the ones that are
2020-05-05 12:34:09	mpickering	It is my understanding that the .hie files don't live in `.cache`
2020-05-05 12:34:15	mpickering	Need to verify that
2020-05-05 12:35:48	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/ghcide/commit/0edb8284764a3140f8deb8da4d30f30f79fd6ce2#diff-38c2c5cb757f004038491b6dcb4a95a6
2020-05-05 12:36:03	wz1000	this is the bit that is responsible for updating the db
2020-05-05 12:36:21	wz1000	everytime ghcide generates a hie files, it adds it to the db
2020-05-05 12:36:44	mpickering	I deliberately have not looked at the source code yet
2020-05-05 12:36:49	wz1000	mpickering: how does the unitid work for multiproject/component
2020-05-05 12:36:57	mpickering	It's always set to `fake_uid`
2020-05-05 12:37:03	wz1000	its a two line diff
2020-05-05 12:37:15	wz1000	so it is broken if components share modules?
2020-05-05 12:37:27	mpickering	Nope
2020-05-05 12:37:35	wz1000	then?
2020-05-05 12:37:51	mpickering	What situation are you imagining?
2020-05-05 12:38:09	wz1000	two projects define the same module
2020-05-05 12:38:22	mpickering	You mean a module with the same name?
2020-05-05 12:38:25	wz1000	yes
2020-05-05 12:38:49	mpickering	When you look for imports you only look in the right include dirs
2020-05-05 12:38:56	mpickering	and if you have this situation anyway you have to use package imports
2020-05-05 12:39:24	wz1000	no, I'm imagining multiple hie.yamls
2020-05-05 12:39:33	mpickering	Where is the database?
2020-05-05 12:39:43	wz1000	project root
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2020-05-05 12:39:52	wz1000	ghcide-<ghc-version>.hiedb
2020-05-05 12:40:13	mpickering	Please put it in the .cache/ghcide folder
2020-05-05 12:40:15	wz1000	should put it in .cache or something
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2020-05-05 12:46:20	mpickering	I don't know about this multiple hie.yaml case
2020-05-05 12:46:30	mpickering	Reviewed the PR now, looks good
2020-05-05 12:47:22	mpickering	The DB size for GHC is 58mb fwiw
2020-05-05 12:49:04	mpickering	For some reason, responses are still blocking if `shakeRun` is in process
2020-05-05 12:49:07	wz1000	you can you hiedb -D <db> ls to look at whats indexed in the db
2020-05-05 12:53:02	mpickering	will the version from nixpkgs work for this or do I have to build your branch?
2020-05-05 12:53:59	wz1000	there is hiedb in nixpkgs?
2020-05-05 12:54:17	wz1000	the db hasn't changed in a while, so it should probably be OK
2020-05-05 12:54:25	wz1000	need to add proper versioning to that also
2020-05-05 12:54:27	mpickering	every haskell package is package
2020-05-05 12:54:39	wz1000	its not on hackage
2020-05-05 12:54:46	mpickering	looool
2020-05-05 12:54:49	mpickering	classic
2020-05-05 12:56:42	mpickering	what command am I running
2020-05-05 12:56:52	wz1000	ls?
2020-05-05 12:56:52	mpickering	`hiedb -D <db>` just shows the help text
2020-05-05 12:58:29	mpickering	https://gist.github.com/12344790672067c32b48c3535e2ff2d8
2020-05-05 12:58:53	mpickering	So actually it is not loading old .hie files
2020-05-05 12:58:53	wz1000	that doesn't look like everything in GHC
2020-05-05 12:59:06	wz1000	try deleting your cache?
2020-05-05 12:59:26	wz1000	or you can just reindex ~/.cache/ghcide
2020-05-05 12:59:34	wz1000	hiedb -D <db> index
2020-05-05 13:00:00	mpickering	yes deleted the cache
2020-05-05 13:00:19	mpickering	I got a SQLite3 returned errorbusy error
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2020-05-05 13:01:21	wz1000	did you run references, or just while typechecking?
2020-05-05 13:02:03	wz1000	probably should use different connections for reading and writing
2020-05-05 13:02:54	mpickering	I just opened the project
2020-05-05 13:03:13	wz1000	that is strange indeed
2020-05-05 13:03:18	wz1000	everything is serialized
2020-05-05 13:03:58	mpickering	I mean, vscode could have sent a request which triggered a read
2020-05-05 13:04:02	mpickering	it sends a lot of requests
2020-05-05 13:04:22	wz1000	reads are only triggered on references
2020-05-05 13:04:45	wz1000	https://github.com/nurpax/snaplet-sqlite-simple/issues/5
2020-05-05 13:05:53	mpickering	second load worked 476 files in the database now
2020-05-05 13:06:04	mpickering	114mb
2020-05-05 13:07:23	mpickering	return is used 6945 times apparently 
2020-05-05 13:07:37	mpickering	ah it is also indexing into `Parser.hs` 
2020-05-05 13:08:02	wz1000	in _build?
2020-05-05 13:08:51	mpickering	yeah
2020-05-05 13:08:55	mpickering	.hie-bios but yeah
2020-05-05 13:09:32	mpickering	https://github.com/commercialhaskell/stack/issues/4471
2020-05-05 13:09:34	wz1000	the .cache situation is confusing me
2020-05-05 13:10:40	wz1000	should there be a db per "ghc option hash" .cache/ghcide subdir?
2020-05-05 13:10:47	wz1000	a db per root directory?
2020-05-05 13:11:20	mpickering	I think you should talk with fendor about this
2020-05-05 13:11:21	wz1000	a global db shared by all ghcide invokations of the same version?
2020-05-05 13:12:19	mpickering	my intuition is keep it as local as possible
2020-05-05 13:12:32	mpickering	so that it's obviously correct
2020-05-05 13:12:39	mpickering	and then make the scope bigger as necessary
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2020-05-05 13:33:19	fendor	mpickering, good morning! why does prepending the package-id fix the problem? Should the hashed cache-dir still be the same for every component?
2020-05-05 13:35:49	mpickering	fendor: Are you talking about the issue I mentioned?
2020-05-05 13:36:30	fendor	yes, about prepending the package-id to the cache-dir
2020-05-05 13:36:52	mpickering	that's just a usability thing
2020-05-05 13:37:00	mpickering	in case you want to delete one cache but not another
2020-05-05 13:37:09	fendor	ah, ok
2020-05-05 13:37:14	fendor	yeah that's trivial
2020-05-05 13:37:58	fendor	however, I did not understand yet how to fix the bad-interface file error
2020-05-05 13:38:17	mpickering	ok, what's the problem?
2020-05-05 13:39:18	fendor	e.g. when you open cabal-install then Cabal, closing the session, opening only cabal-install shows this error: https://gist.github.com/fendor/c850cf3e511d03e6c83cbd397b34b122
2020-05-05 13:39:28	fendor	which is fixed once you open the Cabal component
2020-05-05 13:39:48	mpickering	Yes
2020-05-05 13:40:27	mpickering	So there needs to be two directories for interface files. One for c-i + Cabal and one for just c-i
2020-05-05 13:40:34	fendor	even forcing these to be in the same cache-dir doesnt fix it, since the package-id will be wrong in the interface files
2020-05-05 13:40:50	fendor	yeah ok, that makes sense
2020-05-05 13:40:57	fendor	now I feel dumb
2020-05-05 13:40:58	fendor	:D 
2020-05-05 13:41:31	mpickering	I think actually that each component still needs to be in it's own directory
2020-05-05 13:41:49	mpickering	in case you have modules with the same name
2020-05-05 13:42:01	fendor	ok, so, I just need to find a way in exe/Main.hs, to wait for all components to have their component-options
2020-05-05 13:42:05	mpickering	But perhaps you can add another layer of indirection
2020-05-05 13:42:17	fendor	yeah, but if we have a cache-dir for each combination of loaded components, it should work
2020-05-05 13:42:24	mpickering	So the structure is .cache/<hash of components>/<component dir>
2020-05-05 13:45:50	mpickering	Like I said, if this doesn't work then I will look into it more
2020-05-05 13:46:08	mpickering	but I looked at the FamInst codepath yesterday and can't see how it would fail
2020-05-05 13:46:23	fendor	maybe that is something specific to the cabal code-base
2020-05-05 13:46:42	fendor	that's why I want to try on the generic-lens repo where you said you had broken interface files as well
2020-05-05 13:47:46	fendor	btw, would you be fine with a hie-bios release? (did I already ask and just forgot your answer?) two bug-fixes and one api change are to be made
2020-05-05 13:48:48	mpickering	Yes looks good to me
2020-05-05 13:49:03	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/ghcide/commit/e9e7d5eb1b9c36253b7fd56c499f69bd1af1ab4e
2020-05-05 13:49:06	mpickering	fendor: Try this fix first, then if it works on cabal you will be happy
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2020-05-05 13:49:49	mpickering	thanks Zubin will build it later
2020-05-05 13:50:11	mpickering	fendor, if you didn't already see https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXPKGBBWAAAmkIl?format=jpg&name=large
2020-05-05 13:50:42	fendor	yes, references, awesome! the features grow by the minute!
2020-05-05 13:50:44	wz1000	trying it on ghc, lets see if it works
2020-05-05 13:51:14	mpickering	Your experience contributing to GHC will be a lot easier now than when I started :P 
2020-05-05 13:51:43	mpickering	I remember sitting on a bench in Geneva attempting to understand how core worked back then, building GHC on my macbook taking hours to do anything
2020-05-05 13:52:46	fendor	And now I have hover information, goto definition, goto type definition, jump between components, references... :D 
2020-05-05 13:53:31	fendor	I can only imagine how complicated it was to get a feel for the code-base back then. Still incredibly impressive, that so many people managed to do it
2020-05-05 13:53:58	mpickering	didn't even have GHCI
2020-05-05 13:54:04	mpickering	the only thing you could do was type make 
2020-05-05 13:55:11	fendor	how long was the cycle? type something and wait five minutes for feedback?
2020-05-05 13:55:39	mpickering	depended a lot on what you modified
2020-05-05 13:55:50	mpickering	you had to be very careful to not ruin the state of your build tree
2020-05-05 13:56:49	wz1000	ok, my latest commit is pretty broken
2020-05-05 13:58:32	mpickering	Did you read the stack issue?
2020-05-05 14:01:16	fendor	Then I am very lucky that the dev experience improved! (and with luck, I mean the work of dozens of people)
2020-05-05 14:01:58	fendor	mpickering, I am hitting the "very bad" code-path on generic-lens with a cradle: "cradle: { cabal: {}}"
2020-05-05 14:02:31	mpickering	What is that?
2020-05-05 14:03:00	fendor	it is from mkImportDirs
2020-05-05 14:03:09	fendor	one sec
2020-05-05 14:03:44	fendor	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/blob/hls/src/Development/IDE/Import/FindImports.hs#L87
2020-05-05 14:03:46	mpickering	ok can you make issues for this please, I need to get on with work
2020-05-05 14:03:50	fendor	ok sure
2020-05-05 14:05:41	wz1000	mpickering: yes, but I don't understand why it applies when all writes are serialized
2020-05-05 14:15:44	jneira	fendor: could we wait to https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/pull/175 for a hie-bios release?
2020-05-05 14:16:06	fendor	jneira, yeah of course, thanks for reminding me!
2020-05-05 14:16:14	jneira	first of all, good morning to everybody
2020-05-05 14:16:21	jneira	:-D
2020-05-05 14:16:24	jneira	nice
2020-05-05 14:17:31	fendor	good morning! 
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2020-05-05 14:56:45	arrowd	Hi guys. I tried out haskell-language-server and findCabalHelperEntryPoint from Cradle.hs returns Nothing for simple stack project.
2020-05-05 14:57:08	arrowd	How do I enable debugm messages in ghci?
2020-05-05 15:00:46	fendor	arrowd, is your current work directory set correctly? E.g. you opened your lsp-client in the directory where `stack.yaml` is located?
2020-05-05 15:01:16	arrowd	I ran stack ghci in hls dir.
2020-05-05 15:01:36	arrowd	And passed absolute path to findCabalHelperEntryPoint
2020-05-05 15:02:18	fendor	arrowd, did you pass a file, or directory?
2020-05-05 15:02:27	arrowd	A directory.
2020-05-05 15:02:27	fendor	you need to pass a file
2020-05-05 15:02:40	arrowd	Hum.
2020-05-05 15:02:41	fendor	just some dummy filepath should work
2020-05-05 15:02:49	fendor	or maybe with a trailing path separator
2020-05-05 15:03:04	arrowd	Actually, it does find 3 projects inside, these got filtered later in the function.
2020-05-05 15:04:50	fendor	so, two cabal v2 projects and one stack project, i assume?
2020-05-05 15:05:16	fendor	what is the returned cradle, an exception?
2020-05-05 15:06:22	arrowd	It returns (Maybe (Ex ProjLoc)), not Cradle.
2020-05-05 15:06:55	arrowd	Ah, findLocalCradle returns "Other StackNone"
2020-05-05 15:07:09	arrowd	Not sure what that means.
2020-05-05 15:08:04	fendor	it means that it discovered a stack context but no real package was found
2020-05-05 15:08:11	fendor	for the given filepath
2020-05-05 15:08:13	fendor	that is normal
2020-05-05 15:08:33	fendor	since you probably supplied an non-existing filepath
2020-05-05 15:08:42	mpickering	wz1000: Apparently your backport to 8.6 is broken in some way
2020-05-05 15:08:53	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ciOkaHx3/
2020-05-05 15:10:04	wz1000	mpickering: what are you running this on?
2020-05-05 15:10:41	wz1000	I think I figured out the right sqlite magic btw
2020-05-05 15:13:08	mpickering	It is Csongor
2020-05-05 15:13:15	mpickering	on GHC, as you can see from the path
2020-05-05 15:13:22	arrowd	Passing "stack.yaml" doesn't change anything.
2020-05-05 15:15:34	fendor	arrowd, you should pass a real haskell source file that you want to load
2020-05-05 15:16:22	wz1000	mpickering: I need you to crash this: https://github.com/wz1000/ghcide/commit/cac373381a93a23d78675a3bd41e8d6ec191eb54
2020-05-05 15:18:13	wz1000	mpickering: your zubin-rebased doesn't even build on 8.6
2020-05-05 15:18:26	mpickering	then how did he build it?
2020-05-05 15:18:51	mpickering	I did check the backport commit
2020-05-05 15:19:29	wz1000	http://78.47.113.11/rebase-failed
2020-05-05 15:20:19	mpickering	I see
2020-05-05 15:20:21	mpickering	sorry
2020-05-05 15:20:28	wz1000	I think you didn't export the correct CPP stuff in Compat
2020-05-05 15:20:58	wz1000	it is a pretty confusing mess of nested ifdefs
2020-05-05 15:22:02	wz1000	How is Csongor booting ghc with 8.6?
2020-05-05 15:22:11	wz1000	is he on some ancient branch?
2020-05-05 15:24:28	wz1000	no-span-info gives me document symbols and hover on 8.6.5
2020-05-05 15:26:14	wz1000	the only possibility I can see for that error is if the read/show instances changed between 8.6.2 and 8.6.5
2020-05-05 15:29:43	mpickering	I don't think it is that ancient
2020-05-05 15:30:09	mpickering	something to do with unmatchable type families
2020-05-05 15:36:24	wz1000	mpickering: the don't TC FOI commit is pretty necessary for working on ghc
2020-05-05 15:36:44	mpickering	yeah
2020-05-05 15:36:59	mpickering	I was thinking that if we add a file to FOI then it should be tced
2020-05-05 15:37:04	mpickering	and on deletion you can trigger some GC
2020-05-05 15:38:07	wz1000	seems reasonable
2020-05-05 15:39:20	wz1000	mpickering: btw, getting references to work on 8.6 will require a bit of work
2020-05-05 15:39:43	wz1000	the hiefile stuff has to be extracted out into a different library that hiedb can depend on
2020-05-05 15:40:01	mpickering	Don't bother with that then
2020-05-05 15:40:33	mpickering	As long as the basic features work with 8.6 it is ok
2020-05-05 15:46:06	wz1000	mpickering: I get orphan instance warnings which then disappear
2020-05-05 15:46:55	wz1000	8.6.2 is also working fine with no-span-info
2020-05-05 15:47:48	wz1000	I will look further at this if you can reproduce this on a clean build of no-span-info, with a fresh cache
2020-05-05 15:48:10	mpickering	👍 
2020-05-05 15:48:15	mpickering	Could be something csongor was doing
2020-05-05 15:48:30	mpickering	He knows he is using this stuff at his own risk
2020-05-05 15:50:53	wz1000	now I need you to break my latest references commit
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2020-05-05 15:51:19	mpickering	I'm trying to do actual work here, will built it at lunch
2020-05-05 15:51:49	wz1000	the references will help you do the work
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2020-05-05 16:06:59	mpickering	references are working prefectly well :) 
2020-05-05 16:19:51	 *	mpickering builds Zubin's branch whilst GHC rebuilds
2020-05-05 16:26:48	wz1000	mpickering: the logger in ghcide is using T.putStrLn, how does that work?
2020-05-05 16:27:02	wz1000	    let logger p = Logger $ \pri msg -> when (pri >= p) $ withLock lock $
2020-05-05 16:27:06	wz1000	            T.putStrLn $ T.pack ("[" ++ upper (show pri) ++ "] ") <> msg
2020-05-05 16:29:08	mpickering	look in `runLanguageServer`
2020-05-05 16:29:22	mpickering	I wish someone had done this in haskell-ide-engine ha
2020-05-05 16:31:21	wz1000	wow
2020-05-05 16:31:34	wz1000	so how do i log before initialization?
2020-05-05 16:31:47	wz1000	just write to stderr
2020-05-05 16:33:35	mpickering	yeah
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2020-05-05 16:46:31	jneira	wow a full build with stack of hls takes a lot of time
2020-05-05 16:47:11	jneira	the three formatters brings a lot of dependencies :-/ 
2020-05-05 16:48:19	mpickering	jneira: Shouldn't each plugin be its own package?
2020-05-05 16:48:31	mpickering	and the main HLS executable just brings them all together
2020-05-05 16:49:36	jneira	mmm well the hls executable links statically the three so it has to build all their transitive dependencies
2020-05-05 16:50:28	jneira	i've not analyzed them but it seems they dont share much of them
2020-05-05 16:50:43	jneira	brittany / floskell / ormolu
2020-05-05 16:52:09	jneira	be able to choose between them has (too much?) built time cost
2020-05-05 17:00:51	mpickering	fendor: If you do a hie-bios release can you please test it first with ghcide to make sure it doesn't horribly break
2020-05-05 17:01:34	fendor	mpickering, of course. Will do it tomorrow or the day after tomorrow
2020-05-05 17:09:26	mpickering	we need mine and Javier's PRs in though pls
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2020-05-05 17:11:18	fendor	yeah I will make sure that these are merged and tested with hie/hls/ghcide
2020-05-05 17:12:05	mpickering	I just tested my PR quickly using the `hie-bios` executable and it cleaned up and worked
2020-05-05 17:14:07	fendor	nice
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2020-05-05 17:51:33	lukelau	alanz_: did you run into any funky build errors involving webpack with the vscode extension
2020-05-05 17:51:50	lukelau	im trying out your branch but can’t get the vsce package step to work
2020-05-05 18:06:04	lukelau	ok nuking node_modules seemed to work
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2020-05-05 19:59:44	mpickering	If someone has never used IRC before, what is the easiest way these days?
2020-05-05 20:21:23	jneira	https://kiwiirc.com/nextclient/ works for me, although i used mirc in he 90's a little bit
2020-05-05 20:21:45	mpickering	I'm not sure he was born in the 90s
2020-05-05 20:21:54	jneira	it has a web ui quite friendly imo
2020-05-05 20:21:57	mpickering	so perhaps not even a little bit
2020-05-05 20:22:03	jneira	he
2020-05-05 20:22:59	jneira	i think kiwiirc could be usable for someone who never did before
2020-05-05 20:23:47	jneira	https://webchat.freenode.net/ is based on it, but kiwiirc had more features last time i tried both
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2020-05-05 20:42:09	lukelau	just got this error when building lsp-test, in the terminal, in vscode https://gist.github.com/bubba/1667e6fee500e640642f4fb2ae20cdc2
2020-05-05 20:42:30	lukelau	talking about agda in emacs-mode 🤔 
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2020-05-05 23:21:52	wz1000	So just found out that I am also going to be funded by tweag to work on IDE stuff this summer
2020-05-05 23:27:41	alanz_	wz1000, congratulations. We have a full house now :)
2020-05-05 23:31:55	alanz_	wz1000, I hope that info was not embargoed, I just mentioned it in a tweet
2020-05-05 23:33:30	wz1000	don't think so, mail didn't say anything about it
2020-05-05 23:34:16	mpickering	good news
2020-05-05 23:43:32	mpickering	wz1000: What is the plan with your patches atm? They feel stable to me
2020-05-05 23:43:54	wz1000	yes, getting paid to write haskell over the summer without matthew bossing me around and forcing me to write blog posts
2020-05-05 23:44:07	wz1000	mpickering: which ones? references?
2020-05-05 23:44:23	wz1000	mpickering: I pushed a fix for 8.6 to your branch
2020-05-05 23:44:47	mpickering	jesus, how many blog posts did I get you to write last year 😆
2020-05-05 23:45:19	wz1000	you've already started with poor luke, and the gsoc work period hasn't even begun
2020-05-05 23:45:36	mpickering	Community bonding period, if you read the email
2020-05-05 23:46:36	wz1000	I want to look at hie and hi file generation properly
2020-05-05 23:46:48	wz1000	but you can merge the first set if you want
2020-05-05 23:47:16	wz1000	I have some plans for references
2020-05-05 23:48:47	wz1000	have you been using it today?
2020-05-05 23:57:46	mpickering	yep used it all day today
2020-05-05 23:58:07	mpickering	I'm happy to merge it yes, solid enough for me
2020-05-05 23:58:14	wz1000	no crashes?
2020-05-05 23:58:24	mpickering	I haven't been referencing a lot
2020-05-05 23:58:32	mpickering	the only crash I saw was at startup
2020-05-05 23:58:44	mpickering	so I tried twice again with a clean cache and it didn't fail
2020-05-05 23:58:51	wz1000	that should be fixed now
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2020-05-05 23:59:06	wz1000	I figured out the right incantation for sqlite
2020-05-06 00:00:41	mpickering	It's a bit strange that it doesn't work automatically with multiple threads
2020-05-06 00:01:11	wz1000	even now I don't think it'll work with multi-writer
2020-05-06 00:01:27	wz1000	it might if we set the timeout high enough
2020-05-06 00:01:43	mpickering	yeah there's no need imo
2020-05-06 00:02:53	mpickering	I was thinking we need a function which calls all the artifact producing rules
2020-05-06 00:03:08	mpickering	GetRefMap, GetDocMap, GetHieFile I think are all of them
2020-05-06 00:03:36	mpickering	Calling just `GetHieFile` isn't enough to get hover is it?
2020-05-06 00:04:30	mpickering	Can you make a new PR with a cleanish commit history which I can merge?
2020-05-06 00:06:10	wz1000	what about your zubin-rebase? that seems fine to me
2020-05-06 00:07:09	mpickering	Is the commit authorship correct on it?
2020-05-06 00:07:57	wz1000	its all you lol
2020-05-06 00:10:44	mpickering	yeah so perhaps fix that
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2020-05-06 00:10:49	mpickering	and then I can merge that branch
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2020-05-06 00:21:07	wz1000	mpickering: https://github.com/wz1000/ghcide/commits/wip/zubin-rebase-fix-authors
2020-05-06 00:25:38	mpickering	And then what about the references stuff?
2020-05-06 00:27:07	wz1000	all good things come to those who wait
2020-05-06 00:27:18	wz1000	lets not spoil your users too much on one day
2020-05-06 00:30:53	mpickering	the user you mean
2020-05-06 00:35:40	wz1000	mpickering: btw GetDocMap depends on the other two
2020-05-06 00:36:17	wz1000	transitively
2020-05-06 00:38:22	mpickering	yeah there just needs to be a function which you can call to get all the stuff built in the cache
2020-05-06 00:38:27	mpickering	as at the moment it can get out of sync
2020-05-06 00:39:04	alanz_	ghc 8.12 planning/countdown starting. Time to refresh ghc-exactprint.  I need to get that in-tree patch done
2020-05-06 00:39:29	wz1000	mpickering: is the module graph the modulegraph of the entire project, or only downstream stuff?
2020-05-06 00:39:38	mpickering	wz1000: The whole project
2020-05-06 00:40:16	mpickering	that's the idea anyway
2020-05-06 00:44:11	alanz_	jneira, ping
2020-05-06 00:44:25	jneira	hi
2020-05-06 00:44:36	jneira	i was just working in the extension
2020-05-06 00:45:20	alanz_	ok, cool, just wanted to see if I should do it or you have it in hand. Great.
2020-05-06 00:45:27	jneira	adding some more switches (and thinking in change them with a map)
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2020-05-06 00:45:48	jneira	for exeName and projectUrl
2020-05-06 00:48:33	alanz_	I dont understand?
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2020-05-06 01:02:04	jneira	https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server/pull/223/files#diff-45327f86d4438556066de133327f4ca2R97
2020-05-06 01:10:23	alanz_	jneira, taking a look
2020-05-06 01:10:57	alanz_	gotcha, thanks
2020-05-06 01:15:10	alanz_	jneira, tagged, should hit the market soon
2020-05-06 01:15:14	alanz_	thanks
2020-05-06 01:16:01	jneira	nice
2020-05-06 01:18:03	alanz_	lukelau, does haskell-lsp-0.22 clear the way for GHC 8.10?
2020-05-06 01:18:13	lukelau	alanz_: yep
2020-05-06 01:18:17	lukelau	should at least anyway
2020-05-06 01:18:33	alanz_	great, just merged hls
2020-05-06 01:18:48	lukelau	thats why i made the release, to avoid having to add more git pakcages to https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/83
2020-05-06 01:18:59	alanz_	I guess I need to bump my "standard" ghc to 8.8.3 at least
2020-05-06 01:19:19	alanz_	yes, I figured so
2020-05-06 01:19:23	lukelau	are you using cabal or stack these days?
2020-05-06 01:19:57	lukelau	i’m getting pretty good mileage out of the cabal -wghc-8.x.x flag
2020-05-06 01:21:37	alanz_	yes, that is what I use, so concept of "default compiler" is no longer that meaningful
2020-05-06 01:22:14	alanz_	and I use direnv for ghc dev to set it to 8.8.3
2020-05-06 01:23:57	jneira	i switched reently to ghc-8.8.3, but just an user reported the infamous ghc bug :-(
2020-05-06 01:24:19	jneira	and i reproduced it with stck locally, cabal works fine though
2020-05-06 01:24:47	lukelau	fendor i presume you’ll be writing about your project in mpickering’s ide blog corner at some point?
2020-05-06 01:25:10	lukelau	also alanz_ did you say that someone is working on tooling with the tweag open source fellowship?
2020-05-06 01:25:14	lukelau	via twitter
2020-05-06 01:25:28	fendor	lukelau, I assume so, too
2020-05-06 01:25:53	fendor	lukelau, yes, wz1000. They talked about it above
2020-05-06 01:26:12	lukelau	ah i didnt realise, exciting stuff wz1000 :)
2020-05-06 01:26:47	lukelau	i’m going to keep this first blog post pretty general then so people can talk about their respective projects
2020-05-06 01:27:52	fendor	are you already writing one?
2020-05-06 01:28:08	lukelau	yeah, i think mpickering wants to post one every friday
2020-05-06 01:28:56	alanz_	I do it Trump style. Twitter only :)
2020-05-06 01:29:06	jneira	XD
2020-05-06 01:29:51	fendor	I dont have twitter 
2020-05-06 01:30:27	alanz_	you are probably lucky. 
2020-05-06 01:30:57	alanz_	Its weird though, I follow a curated list of people, and have a pretty much no-drama experience, seeing interesting things that I care about
2020-05-06 01:31:30	jneira	same here, and you can filter tweets by words
2020-05-06 01:31:41	jneira	trump f.e. :-P
2020-05-06 01:31:45	jneira	or lisp
2020-05-06 01:31:46	alanz_	I don't even bother with that.
2020-05-06 01:31:58	alanz_	you filter lisp out? philistine :)
2020-05-06 01:32:16	fendor	I think the only reason I ever look something up in twitter is to see if the trump tweet I saw in a meme was fake or real
2020-05-06 01:32:31	alanz_	I dont see any politics
2020-05-06 01:32:46	alanz_	except for tangential South African stuff, because I choose to
2020-05-06 01:32:53	fendor	and when someone in this channel tweets and I want to see :)
2020-05-06 01:33:35	jneira	well i filter out words cause sometimes the politics leaks out everything
2020-05-06 01:33:42	jneira	for some days at least
2020-05-06 01:33:43	lukelau	i get good ghc/ghcide/tooling news from twitter. congrats on your first ghc commit jneira!
2020-05-06 01:34:24	jneira	oh thanks, modest one, but at least i only deleted lines :-P
2020-05-06 01:35:14	alanz_	its a "hello world" commit. The content is not important, the fact you have managed the process is
2020-05-06 01:36:15	jneira	yeah, it is atonishing how big is
2020-05-06 01:36:29	mpickering	If you like alanz_ I can collate a week of your tweets for one of the blog posts
2020-05-06 01:37:52	alanz_	mpickering, its fine.
2020-05-06 01:37:54	alanz_	thanks
2020-05-06 01:38:27	alanz_	I am happy to hide in a corner and throw morsels into the world from time to time
2020-05-06 01:39:59	wz1000	can someone who is good at tweetering get me volunteers to improve haddocks hyperlinked source?
2020-05-06 01:40:28	wz1000	you can use the shiny new hover on hackage as bait
2020-05-06 01:41:13	alanz_	wz1000, its a weird thing, for the erlang language server, it shows you hover docs for the files you are working on, based on edoc. So you get *immediate* feedback from your edits.
2020-05-06 01:41:29	alanz_	If we could do that in haskell, it would make a huge difference
2020-05-06 01:41:38	wz1000	what do you mean?
2020-05-06 01:41:47	alanz_	at the moment, the loop from editing source to seeing what it looks like is way too long.
2020-05-06 01:42:11	wz1000	in the language server?
2020-05-06 01:42:11	alanz_	You can be in a file, edit a doc, save it and see the hover result immediately
2020-05-06 01:42:19	alanz_	via the language server, yes
2020-05-06 01:42:27	wz1000	that is how it works, no?
2020-05-06 01:43:10	wz1000	are you talking about doc pages? or just the IDE?
2020-05-06 01:45:15	alanz_	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/4kmOLUOX/image.png
2020-05-06 01:45:17	mpickering	Just noticed my blog is still built with ghc 8.2.2
2020-05-06 01:45:30	jneira	wow, like stack
2020-05-06 01:46:00	wz1000	alanz_: that should work in ghcide with a little tweak
2020-05-06 01:46:16	alanz_	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/5Xpeqyqh/image.png
2020-05-06 01:46:21	alanz_	edit save
2020-05-06 01:46:24	wz1000	it is currently broken, as I think I was discussing with mpickering today
2020-05-06 01:46:30	wz1000	you wouldn't even need to save
2020-05-06 01:46:51	alanz_	yes, erlang needs a save, but it could be done on change
2020-05-06 01:47:09	alanz_	its a game changer for encouraging writing docs
2020-05-06 01:47:18	mpickering	IDE corner is ready to welcome Luke Lau's first blog post on Friday
2020-05-06 01:47:23	alanz_	you get the benefit immediatelty, as you use the stuff
2020-05-06 01:47:27	mpickering	I have started writing haddocks now in GHC
2020-05-06 01:47:31	mpickering	because they are finally useful
2020-05-06 01:47:48	alanz_	feedback makes a huge difference :)
2020-05-06 01:47:56	alanz_	and the shorter the feedback, the better
2020-05-06 01:48:16	mpickering	this guy works at facebook
2020-05-06 01:48:39	alanz_	me? technically, but actually WhatsApp
2020-05-06 01:48:59	mpickering	That's the whole attitude with tools like Infer
2020-05-06 01:49:08	mpickering	that if you don't provide fast feedback then no one fixes anything
2020-05-06 01:49:12	alanz_	but focusing on OSS stuff, like erlang_ls and more to come
2020-05-06 01:49:24	alanz_	well, its true.
2020-05-06 01:49:25	wz1000	alanz_: do you know whats up with marlows glean stuff?
2020-05-06 01:49:46	alanz_	wz1000, I have not looked closely tbh. Steaming ahead, I gather
2020-05-06 01:50:01	alanz_	I saw an internal talk on it recently
2020-05-06 01:51:00	alanz_	fyi my team is hiring. Modern Erlang.
2020-05-06 01:51:10	alanz_	adding static types to erlang
2020-05-06 01:57:23	mpickering	perhaps we should migrate to a #haskell-language-server channel at some point
2020-05-06 01:57:59	alanz_	I am happy to stay here. it is sort of embedded everywhere
2020-05-06 01:58:10	alanz_	does such a channel exist?
2020-05-06 01:58:39	alanz_	and hie is still very much a thing
2020-05-06 01:59:02	alanz_	mpickering, you are like a product manager. Focusing on marketing and image :)
2020-05-06 01:59:16	mpickering	Yes I will shave before Friday
2020-05-06 02:01:51	alanz_	are you making a video?
2020-05-06 02:02:56	mpickering	haha no
2020-05-06 02:03:17	alanz_	no need to shave then
2020-05-06 02:09:28	alanz_	jneira, any ideas? https://travis-ci.org/github/alanz/vscode-hie-server/jobs/683541345
2020-05-06 02:09:43	alanz_	runs fine on my machine. "npm run test"
2020-05-06 02:12:53	fendor	completely unrelated and off-topic, can I define a type iff it isnt defined already and make a function use this type or the imported one?
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2020-05-06 02:14:12	alanz_	fendor, I dont understand the question.
2020-05-06 02:15:33	alanz_	jneira_[m], nvm. npm ci ftw
2020-05-06 02:17:03	fendor	alanz_, I am running tests on student submissions. So far the student submission has only the requirement to have a module decl. The test-suite defines testdata that uses types from the student submission. but it may happen that students only did the exercise partially
2020-05-06 02:17:07	alanz_	trying again
2020-05-06 02:17:21	fendor	then they dont define the type and all my testdata setup dies horribly
2020-05-06 02:17:52	alanz_	in that case, if you are adding the types to fix broken code, it should be fine
2020-05-06 02:18:17	alanz_	tricky if they use fully qualified type names, but otherwise fine
2020-05-06 02:18:47	fendor	where should I add the types?
2020-05-06 02:19:16	mpickering	fendor: You can use `-fdefer-type-errors `perhaps?
2020-05-06 02:19:34	lukelau	does this sum things up roughly? https://i.postimg.cc/pdjfkM1n/Haskell-Tooling.png
2020-05-06 02:21:00	mpickering	yeah looks good enough :) Doesn't matter if it's not accurate because of the style
2020-05-06 02:21:18	alanz_	lukelau, pretty good. I would move the plugins cloud to the left, hls re-wraps some of the ghcide ones
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2020-05-06 02:21:55	lukelau	which plugins does ghcide have? i feel like im leaving out a load of stuff about ghcide
2020-05-06 02:21:55	alanz_	and the end-of-summer gsoc goal (in my head) is to have actual plugins, in the sense that you can choose say your formatter, and use only that one
2020-05-06 02:22:10	fendor	lukelau, looks good! I agree with alanz, there is a ghcide plugin in hls
2020-05-06 02:22:15	alanz_	ghcide provides the GHC diagnostics, and stuff like that
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2020-05-06 02:22:41	alanz_	its scary to see how big the ecosystem has got
2020-05-06 02:22:48	alanz_	and that is just the big pieces
2020-05-06 02:23:09	alanz_	lukelau, technically you need an extra plugins cloud on the left
2020-05-06 02:23:26	alanz_	the existing one is hie plugins, the hls plugins are packaged differently
2020-05-06 02:24:10	 *	jneira taking a look to travis
2020-05-06 02:24:19	alanz_	and it might make sense to have hie de-emphasised, rather than being in the center. It should be gone soon enough
2020-05-06 02:24:20	lukelau	alanz_: yeah, i’m thinking that the plugins and + ghcide feed into hls
2020-05-06 02:24:31	alanz_	jneira, I fixed it, dont worry
2020-05-06 02:24:46	lukelau	and hie is more like the underlying architecture?
2020-05-06 02:24:54	lukelau	but not actually a dependency
2020-05-06 02:25:09	lukelau	*underlying plugin architecture?
2020-05-06 02:25:16	alanz_	well, hie is the original implementation. We are using parts of its surrounding ecosystem to build hls to replace it
2020-05-06 02:25:25	jneira	:+1:
2020-05-06 02:25:38	alanz_	lukelau, it was the inspiration, but not much left
2020-05-06 02:25:55	alanz_	a lot of learning which is transferred, but in terms of plugin infra not much
2020-05-06 02:26:13	alanz_	the actual plugins are being ported quite straightforwardly
2020-05-06 02:26:40	alanz_	but some of them have been reimplemented in ghcide (based on the hie ones, ironically).
2020-05-06 02:27:10	lukelau	lol
2020-05-06 02:27:16	alanz_	mpickering, did you see my summary tweet on the difference between hls and ghcide btw? we should capture that somewhere as a guideline
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2020-05-06 02:27:39	lukelau	how does one draw “inspiration” on a graph
2020-05-06 02:28:17	alanz_	one doesn't. That was my explanation to you of why hie should be drawn off to the side, as something that can be cut away at the end of summer
2020-05-06 02:28:20	jneira	link to the tweet? or is it recent? i think i missed it
2020-05-06 02:28:35	alanz_	maybe even put a dashed vertical line partitioning it off, to make it clear
2020-05-06 02:28:51	alanz_	jneira, it was a reply to @saurab. Hold on
2020-05-06 02:29:38	alanz_	https://twitter.com/alan_zimm/status/1257749817968689152?s=20
2020-05-06 02:31:02	fendor	mpickering, nice idea (maybe useful in general to avoid some th magic) but doesnt seem to work with unknown types
2020-05-06 02:31:03	alanz_	lukelau, maybe swop the locations of the plugins and hie, with arrows going to hls and to hie from it
2020-05-06 02:31:36	lukelau	yeah thats what im going with at the moment. and “plugins” encapsulates ghcide as well, and they both go into hls
2020-05-06 02:31:44	lukelau	hie is left on its own
2020-05-06 02:31:57	alanz_	yes
2020-05-06 02:32:30	alanz_	the early stage rocket that got us into orbit but must now be discarded as we activate the next stage
2020-05-06 02:34:03	Rembane	Haskell tooling, the final frontieer
2020-05-06 02:34:11	jneira	i am afraid that plugins are slowing the build (formatters), the diff with ghcide is huge
2020-05-06 02:34:42	jneira	loooot of deps, they seem to not share most of them
2020-05-06 02:34:56	jneira	(i've not analyzed only a feeling)
2020-05-06 02:35:50	alanz_	jneira, with cabal its a breeze
2020-05-06 02:35:56	fendor	true. Initial build is horrible. But I think pre-built binaries would mitigate it
2020-05-06 02:35:58	alanz_	it only ever builds anything once
2020-05-06 02:36:15	alanz_	loving that. Even with git deps
2020-05-06 02:36:31	jneira	yeah, the first one i was talking about
2020-05-06 02:36:39	alanz_	when you install, it builds the cabal tgz, gets the fingerprint, and does no work because its already done
2020-05-06 02:37:04	alanz_	It would be great to see a cachix equivalent for build cabal packages
2020-05-06 02:37:07	jneira	now i am building with stack to test, without cache, and :-(
2020-05-06 02:37:36	alanz_	global warming ticked up a notch
2020-05-06 02:37:50	jneira	newcomers suffer that one the first time they arrive :-/
2020-05-06 02:38:06	alanz_	well, we need to make cabal the newcomer option
2020-05-06 02:38:38	jneira	mmm but the first time you build with cabal it takes a lot of time too, no?
2020-05-06 02:38:42	alanz_	cabal with an index-state pretty much gives what stack was originally aiming for
2020-05-06 02:38:50	alanz_	true
2020-05-06 02:39:54	jneira	mmm, somewhere we talk about add plugins conditionally at build time, do you think it could be a good idea?
2020-05-06 02:41:22	alanz_	jneira, yes.
2020-05-06 02:42:04	jneira	well, or precompiled binaries, like in hie
2020-05-06 02:42:04	alanz_	What I see is we provide an hls core as a lib, which wraps ghcide, the plugin infra, and the ghcide baked-in plugins
2020-05-06 02:42:20	alanz_	then all the others are in their own packages
2020-05-06 02:42:32	jneira	:+1:
2020-05-06 02:42:37	alanz_	and we eventually end up with a way to slot them in to the exe/Main.hs
2020-05-06 02:42:54	alanz_	ideally by providing a companion file with the plugins
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2020-05-06 02:43:23	mpickering	This is what I have for the site so far https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/QJ0RxX4O/2020-05-05-214531_1188x451_scrot.png https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/xHMJsqYT/2020-05-05-214537_1148x402_scrot.png https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/H8iqnWdx/2020-05-05-214544_1005x370_scrot.png
2020-05-06 02:43:38	alanz_	this bit: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/blob/e9ef791e0045db6082459cfce1ee27d6dadcb342/exe/Main.hs#L90-L139
2020-05-06 02:44:23	alanz_	mpickering, looks good to me
2020-05-06 02:44:42	alanz_	maybe we should put a haskell logo in there somewhere?
2020-05-06 02:45:06	alanz_	IDE 2020 as it stands does not make that connection.
2020-05-06 02:45:21	alanz_	IDE 20/20. Perfect vision into your project
2020-05-06 02:45:53	mpickering	Where would you like a Haskell logo?
2020-05-06 02:46:12	mpickering	I can put <Haskell logo> - IDE 2020 above the tab bar?
2020-05-06 02:46:14	fendor	mpickering, looking good!
2020-05-06 02:46:51	alanz_	mpickering, even something small like in hackage.haskell.org
2020-05-06 02:47:18	alanz_	so just to the left of the word IDE, same height as the text, could do it
2020-05-06 02:47:30	alanz_	(way above my pay grade to be able to do that though)
2020-05-06 02:47:34	mpickering	oh you mean in the side bar?
2020-05-06 02:48:09	alanz_	I reckon a) it should be on the page b) it should be small. no other real opinion, tbh
2020-05-06 02:48:24	alanz_	And I am well proven not to have any visual design taste
2020-05-06 02:48:51	alanz_	another example is the github logo in the top left corner
2020-05-06 02:49:25	alanz_	but not worth getting distracted around, I reckon
2020-05-06 02:53:42	alanz_	jneira, looks like it *did* fail. Damn. https://travis-ci.org/github/alanz/vscode-hie-server/builds/683567319
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2020-05-06 02:55:24	alanz_	libsecret-1.so.0 missing on the underlying ubuntu machine
2020-05-06 02:57:05	mpickering	fendor: Are you ok to write the post for next Friday?
2020-05-06 02:57:36	mpickering	Part of it a summary of what everyone has been doing and part of it something specific you want to talk about
2020-05-06 02:57:46	fendor	mpickering, 15.5.?
2020-05-06 02:58:00	fendor	or is that 8.5. already?
2020-05-06 02:58:03	mpickering	yeah
2020-05-06 02:58:09	mpickering	15
2020-05-06 02:58:13	fendor	yeah sure
2020-05-06 02:59:24	fendor	a summary of what time-period? In the last months?
2020-05-06 02:59:36	fendor	or specifically gsoc?
2020-05-06 03:00:47	mpickering	the week between 8 and 15
2020-05-06 03:04:01	fendor	ok will do
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2020-05-06 03:07:32	jneira	ugh
2020-05-06 03:10:25	jneira	is it using a cache for npm?
2020-05-06 03:10:44	jneira	maybe the magic clean works here
2020-05-06 03:14:04	alanz_	jneira, I think it is that travis was asking for node 8.x, I changed it to 10.x, hopefully will bring a more modern ubuntu image
2020-05-06 03:14:35	alanz_	success: https://travis-ci.org/github/alanz/vscode-hie-server/builds/683582251
2020-05-06 03:14:42	alanz_	time to re-tag
2020-05-06 03:14:58	alanz_	this is why the last actual published version is 0.0.37
2020-05-06 03:15:05	alanz_	and we are now on 0.0.40 :(
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2020-05-06 03:28:25	alanz_	jneira, build #300 passed, but #301 failed. Only difference is I triggered it from a tag. wtf
2020-05-06 03:29:26	jneira	so the cache is not involved, i will try again locally
2020-05-06 03:29:55	jneira	i miss a ? after involved
2020-05-06 03:30:31	alanz_	the problem is it is using xenial (ubuntu 16.04), which is too old, does not have libsecret-1.so.0
2020-05-06 03:30:48	alanz_	but I don't know how to force the base image used, in travis
2020-05-06 03:31:11	alanz_	grepping for it shows 
2020-05-06 03:31:12	alanz_	 grep -r xenial *
2020-05-06 03:31:12	alanz_	node_modules/vm-browserify/.travis.yml:dist: xenial
2020-05-06 03:31:27	alanz_	but I have no idea where/how that comes from
2020-05-06 03:33:04	jneira	at least there is no windows job :-P
2020-05-06 03:33:41	alanz_	wait, in the config they have some warnings. one is " root: missing dist, using the default xenial "
2020-05-06 03:34:10	alanz_	so I guess I must just specify it. I hate that cute naming convention. I want to say 19.04
2020-05-06 03:34:22	alanz_	not whatever wanked thing they came up with
2020-05-06 03:36:21	alanz_	disco, it looks like.
2020-05-06 03:38:37	alanz_	ok, that seemed to select the version I expected
2020-05-06 03:38:44	jneira	well, time to go to bed while my laptop screams under a stack and cabal build :-P
2020-05-06 03:39:12	alanz_	sometimes I think the interpreted languages have a point.
2020-05-06 03:39:15	alanz_	good night
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2020-05-06 11:27:07	wz1000	mpickering: why did you make me do all that author renaming stuff if you weren't going to commit it lol
2020-05-06 11:33:30	wz1000	Lets rename hls to HIE-2.0. then we stil get to use the great HIE logo
2020-05-06 11:33:32	wz1000	https://raw.githubusercontent.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/master/logos/HIE_logo_512.png
2020-05-06 12:16:50	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/cd932f07617fb36114f8d3a44e5cab61/imagen.png
2020-05-06 12:17:26	jneira	you know web devs are full copypastack devs
2020-05-06 12:18:00	jneira	wz1000 ^^
2020-05-06 12:18:40	wz1000	good effort but the S looks weird
2020-05-06 12:18:57	wz1000	the SVG should be around somewhere
2020-05-06 12:19:58	wz1000	https://github.com/damienflament/haskell-ide-engine/blob/e6191ab7957884f73ca17fd2b1eb333ce6f11e27/logos/HIE_logo.svg
2020-05-06 12:20:10	jneira	sure, only sketching copypasting bitmaps
2020-05-06 12:20:48	mpickering	wz1000: That was a mistake, I will fix it
2020-05-06 12:21:00	mpickering	Javier's logo looks good enough tot me
2020-05-06 12:21:37	jneira	but S follow the rest of angles, not sure how could it looks
2020-05-06 12:21:53	wz1000	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/267
2020-05-06 12:22:15	jneira	it seems a 5 XD
2020-05-06 12:23:07	jneira	wow i did not see that one before, interesting
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2020-05-06 12:36:38	jneira	well, it is not hard to do it right if you know what are you doing (not me!) and using the svg :-P
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2020-05-06 13:04:06	alanz_	I reckon we just carry on using the hie logo
2020-05-06 13:04:21	alanz_	for a while at lease
2020-05-06 13:05:22	alanz_	jneira, the plugin tests would pass every time on a push to master, fail every time on tagging the release. I am confused.  Will only get to it tonight, if you want to play today, be my guest
2020-05-06 13:09:56	alanz_	jneira, the logo looks quite good. But I read it as lambda-15
2020-05-06 13:10:15	alanz_	I think it could work though, keep it in the family
2020-05-06 13:10:33	alanz_	A chance for someone to play with inkscape 1.0, just released
2020-05-06 13:11:06	 *	alanz_ time to commute to my other laptop. Terrible traffic :)
2020-05-06 13:44:02	jneira	alanz :+1:
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2020-05-06 13:47:54	mpickering	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ycqxykvu/2020-05-06-091724_1247x521_scrot.png https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3B6QtY3D/2020-05-06-091730_1162x472_scrot.png https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/wfsKu1B1/2020-05-06-091741_1201x954_scrot.png
2020-05-06 13:48:02	mpickering	latest iteration
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2020-05-06 14:34:59	typetetris	Hi there! Can I get neovim+coc+hie to insert a type signature for a function?
2020-05-06 14:36:29	jose_zap	yes typetetris 
2020-05-06 14:36:41	jose_zap	but you need to enable -Wall for it to work
2020-05-06 14:37:06	jose_zap	add it your cabal file or package.yaml
2020-05-06 14:37:07	typetetris	jose_zap will it be a code action? Or what binding for coc do I need to make?
2020-05-06 14:37:15	jose_zap	it will be a code action
2020-05-06 14:37:32	jose_zap	and only works for top level functions
2020-05-06 14:38:08	typetetris	Ah, now it is available as quick fix!
2020-05-06 14:38:42	jose_zap	cool!
2020-05-06 14:39:35	typetetris	jose_zap, Thank you very much. Wouldn't have guessed -Wall was neede. It is also available as  code action now, too.
2020-05-06 14:39:53	jose_zap	you're welcome!
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2020-05-06 18:37:32	wz1000	alanz_: fixed docs on hover in the same module: http://78.47.113.11/2020-05-06-180530_grab.png
2020-05-06 18:38:59	mpickering	nice wz1000 let me know when there's something for me to test
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2020-05-06 18:49:35	wz1000	I fixed it but don't understand the fix lol
2020-05-06 18:53:17	mpickering	Good afternoon mpardalos, welcome to IRC
2020-05-06 18:53:42	mpardalos	Hello everyone!
2020-05-06 18:53:53	mpickering	Michalis is the 3rd student working on ghcide related projects this summer
2020-05-06 18:55:19	mpardalos	I'll be working on implementing tracing into ghcide using ethercrow's haskell-opentelemetry library
2020-05-06 18:57:14	fendor_	mpardalos, hi! Good morning!
2020-05-06 18:57:52	wz1000	hello mpardalos, good to have you
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2020-05-06 19:06:09	ethercrow[m]	Hello
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2020-05-06 19:15:14	Compl	Hello, I have a problem, posted to https://groups.google.com/d/msg/haskell-ide/XWPj74sbvnM/OtN8bVF4AAAJ 
2020-05-06 19:15:34	Compl	help please
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2020-05-06 19:16:23	Compl	HIE 1.4, `stack build` okay, but Can't find C header files included by .hsc files, when open in vscode
2020-05-06 19:21:10	mpickering	Compl: Does `stack repl` work?
2020-05-06 19:21:39	jneira	welcome mpardalos ethercrow[m]!
2020-05-06 19:22:27	Compl	@mpickering no, got this error:
2020-05-06 19:22:28	Compl	In file included from /qw/ews/network/.stack-work/dist/x86_64-osx/Cabal-2.4.0.1/build/Network/Socket/Unix.hs:5:0: error:    /qw/ews/network/include/HsNetDef.h:4:10: error:     fatal error: 'HsNetworkConfig.h' file not found  |4 | #include "HsNetworkConfig.h"  |          ^#include "HsNetworkConfig.h"         ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~1 error
2020-05-06 19:22:28	Compl	generated.`gcc' failed in phase `C pre-processor'. (Exit code: 1)
2020-05-06 19:22:42	mpickering	Seems like a bug in stack then
2020-05-06 19:22:54	mpickering	Does it work with cabal?
2020-05-06 19:24:04	Compl	yes! cabal v2-repl works like a charm
2020-05-06 19:24:36	mpickering	So does it work if you use the cabal cradle?
2020-05-06 19:24:37	Compl	can I opt for HIE to use cabal even stack.yaml present?
2020-05-06 19:24:58	mpickering	yes https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios#explicit-configuration
2020-05-06 19:25:27	jneira	wz1000: amazing work with HieDB, maybe it is ask for too much but there is a feature en eclipse i use a lot: call tree hierarchy
2020-05-06 19:25:52	jneira	would be feasible using the same tech?
2020-05-06 19:25:58	mpickering	What does it do?
2020-05-06 19:26:03	wz1000	a call graph?
2020-05-06 19:26:20	wz1000	check out the hiedb refs command
2020-05-06 19:26:24	jneira	yeah
2020-05-06 19:26:37	wz1000	I don't know how to expose it via LSP though
2020-05-06 19:26:40	mpickering	^
2020-05-06 19:26:44	jneira	not sure if lsp could support it (or vscode graphically)
2020-05-06 19:27:03	wz1000	sorry, hiedb ref-graph
2020-05-06 19:27:19	wz1000	that will output a dot file of your call graph you can render with graphviz
2020-05-06 19:27:20	mpickering	New in 3.16 is... Call Hierarchy support
2020-05-06 19:27:34	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/08d6e5e7c356a6e9072776055450c89b/imagen.png
2020-05-06 19:27:35	wz1000	really?
2020-05-06 19:27:56	wz1000	hah, nice timing
2020-05-06 19:28:27	mpickering	3.16 also has semantic highlighting
2020-05-06 19:28:31	mpickering	which would both be useful for us
2020-05-06 19:29:04	jneira	yeah
2020-05-06 19:29:26	mpickering	https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-languageserver-node/pull/420/files
2020-05-06 19:29:28	wz1000	what is semantic highlighting?
2020-05-06 19:29:33	mpickering	Could one of you make an issue?
2020-05-06 19:29:39	mpickering	https://github.com/microsoft/language-server-protocol/issues/468
2020-05-06 19:30:11	wz1000	mpickering: I think go to definition is broken
2020-05-06 19:30:27	jneira	in hls or your ghcide fork for hls?
2020-05-06 19:30:43	wz1000	I think in ghcide fork for hls
2020-05-06 19:30:49	wz1000	with the recent commits
2020-05-06 19:31:00	mpickering	https://github.com/microsoft/vscode-languageserver-node/commit/4c0963d6fdfd657044092c5d4db61a87b54471ef
2020-05-06 19:32:07	wz1000	it just crashes ghcide sometimes, and continues to do so until I clear the graph
2020-05-06 19:32:11	wz1000	s/graph/cache
2020-05-06 19:32:13	jneira	ok
2020-05-06 19:35:18	mpickering	it was a long time between 3.14 and 3.15 though
2020-05-06 19:35:32	mpickering	I think we still need to look at the 3.15 changes and work out if any of them are useful for us
2020-05-06 19:35:37	mpickering	I think lukelau may have started with this
2020-05-06 19:36:09	lukelau	The 3.15 stuff is in my project proposal
2020-05-06 19:36:12	lukelau	for gsoc
2020-05-06 19:36:20	lukelau	but haven’t started it yet
2020-05-06 19:36:52	Compl	mpickering I put `cradle: { cabal: {} }` into my hie.yaml, still Can't find file "HsNet.h"
2020-05-06 19:37:14	mpickering	lukelau: Sounds good
2020-05-06 19:37:18	mpickering	post the log Compl ?
2020-05-06 19:38:40	Compl	https://groups.google.com/d/msg/haskell-ide/XWPj74sbvnM/EjOvFaV5AAAJ
2020-05-06 19:39:27	mpickering	I am not sure sorry
2020-05-06 19:39:31	mpickering	perhaps is an issue with relative paths
2020-05-06 19:40:41	Compl	mpickering thanks anyway, let me try more tweaks ...
2020-05-06 19:41:15	mpickering	Are the paths correct relative to the root directory?
2020-05-06 19:41:56	jneira	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/issues/18
2020-05-06 19:42:28	mpickering	nice ticket thanks
2020-05-06 19:43:56	Compl	um, /qw/... is correct absolute path, or some other path you mean? mpickering
2020-05-06 19:44:49	mpickering	I mean the path to the header files
2020-05-06 19:44:57	mpickering	Is that correct relative to the project root
2020-05-06 19:45:11	mpickering	It may also be an issue with haskell-ide-engine using temp files
2020-05-06 19:45:25	mpickering	you should try ghcide as well that will probably work better
2020-05-06 19:45:51	Compl	cymp:network cyue$ find . -name \*.h./include/alignment.h./include/HsNetDef.h./include/HsNet.h./include/win32defs.h
2020-05-06 19:46:27	Compl	cymp:network cyue$ find . -name \*.h./include/alignment.h./include/HsNetDef.h./include/HsNet.h./include/win32defs.h
2020-05-06 19:46:59	Compl	sorry seem multi-line paste don't work.
2020-05-06 19:47:44	Compl	I think they are okay, both `cabal v2-build` and `stack build` work flawlessly
2020-05-06 19:48:13	Compl	does ghcide work with vscode ?
2020-05-06 19:48:24	mpickering	yes
2020-05-06 19:49:04	Compl	I never tried ghcide, can you point me a link about the setup?
2020-05-06 19:50:30	mpickering	I am not sure which vscode extension you are meant to use but you just clone the repo and build with cabal
2020-05-06 19:50:54	mpickering	I use the ghcide extension from the marketstore
2020-05-06 19:51:58	Compl	oh, is ghcide the new haskell language server ?
2020-05-06 19:52:07	mpickering	haskell language server is based on ghcide
2020-05-06 19:52:17	mpickering	if you want to try what we are all working on, I can also point you to that
2020-05-06 19:52:28	mpickering	but you are entering the no warranty zone
2020-05-06 19:54:18	Compl	I'm a little confused ... so is ghcide the replacement for hie?
2020-05-06 19:54:52	mpickering	haskell-language-server is the replacement to hie
2020-05-06 19:55:03	mpickering	ghcide has no plugins such as formatters or hlint etc
2020-05-06 19:55:14	mpickering	it just supports basic stuff like hover/go to defintiion
2020-05-06 19:55:20	Ericson2314	is ghcide suppposed to say separate and be used by haskell-language-server?
2020-05-06 19:55:32	mpickering	haskell-language-server is implemented on top of ghcide
2020-05-06 19:56:14	Ericson2314	OK thanks I didn't know whether that was temporary or not
2020-05-06 19:56:30	Ericson2314	things I should already know, haha
2020-05-06 19:57:27	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/ghcide/commit/443dd113817b17cc86573591dc4ac61f8c3ee452
2020-05-06 19:57:34	wz1000	the GHC api is a terrible mess
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2020-05-06 20:01:07	Compl	looking at my VSCode extensions, seems I was using Haskell Language Server (alanz.vscode-hie-server), do you mean I disable it and install ghcide (digitalassetholdingsllc.ghcide) instead ?
2020-05-06 20:11:45	wz1000	mpickering: ping
2020-05-06 20:13:20	Compl	weird error with ghcide:
2020-05-06 20:13:27	Compl	cymp:network cyue$ ghcideghcide version: 0.1.0 (GHC: 8.6.5) (PATH: /Users/cyue/.local/bin/ghcide) (GIT hash: 6a650be7e32b221505bdad0548e8b570a03c8eb7)Ghcide setup tester in /qw/ews/network.Report bugs at https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/issuesStep 1/6: Finding files to test in /qw/ews/networkFound 26 filesStep 2/6: Looking for hie.yaml files
2020-05-06 20:13:28	Compl	that control setupFound 1 cradleStep 3/6, Cradle 1/1: Loading /qw/ews/network/hie.yamlStep 4/6, Cradle 1/1: Loading GHC Session> cabal: Unrecognised target syntax for ''.> ghcide: CradleError (ExitFailure 1) ["Failed to parse result of calling cabal","","cabal: Unrecognised target syntax for ''.\n\n",""]cymp:network cyue$ ghcideghcide version:
2020-05-06 20:13:28	Compl	0.1.0 (GHC: 8.6.5) (PATH: /Users/cyue/.local/bin/ghcide) (GIT hash: 6a650be7e32b221505bdad0548e8b570a03c8eb7)Ghcide setup tester in /qw/ews/network.Report bugs at https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/issuesStep 1/6: Finding files to test in /qw/ews/networkFound 26 filesStep 2/6: Looking for hie.yaml files that control setupFound 1 cradleStep
2020-05-06 20:13:29	Compl	3/6, Cradle 1/1: Loading /qw/ews/network/hie.yamlStep 4/6, Cradle 1/1: Loading GHC Session> cabal: Unrecognised target syntax for ''.> ghcide: CradleError (ExitFailure 1) ["Failed to parse result of calling cabal","","cabal: Unrecognised target syntax for ''.\n\n",""]
2020-05-06 20:14:56	mpickering	Compl: Specify the name of the component as well
2020-05-06 20:14:59	mpickering	wz1000: hello
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2020-05-06 20:16:51	Compl	ghcide network give same error mpickering
2020-05-06 20:17:09	mpickering	Compl: Interesting, perhaps open an issue? Don't know what is going on sorry
2020-05-06 20:18:16	Compl	sure, let me file issues. thanks! mpickering
2020-05-06 20:19:55	wz1000	mpickering: I have to get dinner now, but I've encountered quite a serious issue with definition and can't diagnose it
2020-05-06 20:20:04	wz1000	I requires the cache to be in a certain state
2020-05-06 20:20:15	wz1000	but persists across restarts
2020-05-06 20:20:39	wz1000	it essentially dies at: [DEBUG] Starting: (2,0):[DelayedAction: C:GetHieFile,DelayedAction: C:GetDocMap
2020-05-06 20:20:48	wz1000	notice the entire list isn't printed
2020-05-06 20:21:14	lukelau	Compl: you can use either the vscode-hie-server or ghcide vscode plugins
2020-05-06 20:21:17	wz1000	this only happens when I go to definition of a name not defined in the module
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2020-05-06 20:21:43	lukelau	the vscode-hie-server extension has a selection box now to choose whether you want to use haskell-ide-engine/ghcide/haskell-language-server
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2020-05-06 20:23:53	Compl	lukelau I used Haskell Language Server (alanz.vscode-hie-server), and this is the only hit when I search extensions from within VSCode, is that you mean?
2020-05-06 20:25:03	lukelau	Compl: if you go into the vscode settings, search for “language server haskell”
2020-05-06 20:25:27	lukelau	there’s should be an option there to switch what actual lsp server the extension talks to
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2020-05-06 20:28:46	lukelau	got a huge CI matrix going for lsp-test on github actions: https://github.com/bubba/lsp-test/runs/649861834?check_suite_focus=true
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2020-05-06 20:28:59	Compl	seems no such drop box, there is a `Language Server Haskell: Enable HIE` check box, is it related?
2020-05-06 20:29:00	lukelau	there doesn’t seem to be a limit to how many jobs can run in parallel!
2020-05-06 20:29:30	lukelau	Compl: hmm have you tried updating the extension? the option is new, i think it was published yesterday
2020-05-06 20:30:13	lukelau	even if we don’t get tests to pass on it, github actions might be good for building lots of static binaries quickly on hls
2020-05-06 20:30:56	Compl	It reads `Haskell Language Server 0.0.37` now, I normally see extensions auto updates at times, is there a manual way to update?
2020-05-06 20:32:08	lukelau	Compl: Oh it looks like it wasn’t published yet, my bad
2020-05-06 20:32:36	lukelau	you can install it locally here if you want, or just wait https://github.com/alanz/vscode-hie-server
2020-05-06 20:32:42	lukelau	ping alanz_ 
2020-05-06 20:33:09	mpickering	Well done luke you got a windows segfault
2020-05-06 20:33:25	lukelau	Is this a ghc-8.8.3 thing
2020-05-06 20:33:31	mpickering	yeah
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2020-05-06 20:34:02	lukelau	Lovely, time to add that to the list of configurations to skip
2020-05-06 20:36:57	Compl	I'll try the unreleased master branch for luck, thanks lukelau
2020-05-06 20:38:23	mpardalos	For ghcide, should I be working on mpickering's fork, or the upstream digital-asset repo?
2020-05-06 20:38:35	mpardalos	Asking because mpickering's version is failing to build saying that `haskell-opentelemetry` is missing, but it goes away if I add it to the stack.yaml
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2020-05-06 20:45:09	mpickering	mpardalos: We are all building using cabal, so it's good you are hear to provide stack CI as well
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2020-05-06 20:46:21	mpickering	but yes we are using my fork
2020-05-06 20:46:43	mpardalos	Oh ok that's good
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2020-05-06 20:47:34	mpickering	Don't expect everything to work though, we are still in quite a state of flux with a lot of commits landing which change quite fundamental things
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2020-05-06 20:47:52	mpickering	So if something is broken or doesn't work as you expect, make an issue rather than accept that's the way it is
2020-05-06 20:48:12	mpardalos	ok will do
2020-05-06 20:48:30	mpardalos	Sidenote: which ghc version should I be using?
2020-05-06 20:49:29	mpickering	In general we are using 8.8
2020-05-06 20:49:42	mpickering	but anything 8.6-8.10 should work
2020-05-06 20:49:52	mpardalos	Oh ok, I was asking because the default stack.yaml is on 8.6.5
2020-05-06 20:51:38	wz1000	mpickering: I'm back
2020-05-06 20:51:48	wz1000	so ghcide is just dying without any error message
2020-05-06 20:52:01	mpickering	perhaps you are hitting the case in workerThread 
2020-05-06 20:52:09	mpickering	where we just don't report anything on an exception
2020-05-06 20:52:11	mpickering	so add some logging there
2020-05-06 20:54:39	wz1000	nope
2020-05-06 20:54:50	mpickering	does it actually crash/
2020-05-06 20:55:07	wz1000	yes
2020-05-06 20:55:20	wz1000	the ghcide process is no more
2020-05-06 20:55:35	mpickering	I have not seen this happen
2020-05-06 20:55:41	Compl	mpickering I tried ghcide via unreleased vscode-hie-server as lukelau suggested, it gives error: {	"resource": "/qw/ews/network/Network/Socket/Posix/CmsgHdr.hsc",	"owner": "Haskell HIE (network)",	"severity": 8,	"message": "/qw/ews/network/Network/Socket/Posix/CmsgHdr.hsc:3:1: error:\n    parse error on input ‘#’",	"source": "parser",
2020-05-06 20:55:41	Compl	"startLineNumber": 3,	"startColumn": 1,	"endLineNumber": 3,	"endColumn": 2}
2020-05-06 20:55:57	Compl	that line is `#include "HsNet.h"`
2020-05-06 20:56:10	wz1000	mpickering: and it dies nondeterministicly in worker thread in: [DEBUG] Starting: (4,0):[DelayedAction: C
2020-05-06 20:56:11	mpickering	It seems to be trying to parse a .hsc file as .hs file
2020-05-06 20:56:20	wz1000	halfway through the print
2020-05-06 20:56:42	mpickering	can you get a backtrace of some kind? to see where it dies?
2020-05-06 20:56:55	mpickering	or add some more logging to see what it is going
2020-05-06 20:56:59	mpickering	*doing
2020-05-06 20:57:03	mpickering	I don't have many ideas without a reproductin
2020-05-06 20:59:40	wz1000	mpickering: removing and and reinstating my .cache dir seems to reproduce it
2020-05-06 20:59:55	wz1000	Should I try sharing that with you?
2020-05-06 21:00:11	wz1000	I will try masking
2020-05-06 21:03:56	wz1000	its very strange
2020-05-06 21:06:37	wz1000	wow its working in vscode
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2020-05-06 21:14:04	Compl	I filed an issue https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1762 with reprod steps should I ping someone specifically?
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2020-05-06 21:19:15	Compl	got informative triage from fendor, thanks everyone!
2020-05-06 21:19:55	fendor	Compl, thank you for the bug report!
2020-05-06 21:20:39	Compl	<3  @fen
2020-05-06 21:20:52	fendor	Compl, however, I am actually not sure .hsc files are supported. Will test it a bit
2020-05-06 21:20:53	Compl	heartly fendor
2020-05-06 21:21:22	fendor	:)
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2020-05-06 22:00:58	mpickering	Zubin are you using emacs or what editor?
2020-05-06 22:01:24	wz1000	kakoune
2020-05-06 22:01:27	wz1000	I fixed it
2020-05-06 22:01:32	mpickering	Oh what was wrong
2020-05-06 22:01:36	mpickering	glad I could help
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2020-05-06 22:10:38	wz1000	mpickering: https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/issues/21
2020-05-06 22:20:30	wz1000	mpickering: pls lets finally merge the typeclass info MR
2020-05-06 22:21:24	mpickering	I said, I want to try it in ghcide first 
2020-05-06 22:21:41	mpickering	because the first time I tried to use it, we couldn't work it out
2020-05-06 22:21:45	wz1000	hmm, ok
2020-05-06 22:22:04	wz1000	I wrote a nice function also that generates the tree
2020-05-06 22:22:11	mpickering	yes I know
2020-05-06 22:22:19	wz1000	you don't have to even do anything
2020-05-06 22:22:45	mpickering	Is the plan to backport it anyway to 8.8 and 8.10 or what is your idea?
2020-05-06 22:23:15	wz1000	yeah, why not
2020-05-06 22:23:54	wz1000	mpickering: actually there is a reason why not
2020-05-06 22:23:58	wz1000	hiedb
2020-05-06 22:24:11	wz1000	this MR changes the types
2020-05-06 22:24:17	mpickering	ok
2020-05-06 22:24:35	mpickering	So what do you propose we do?
2020-05-06 22:24:52	wz1000	use it in 8.12
2020-05-06 22:25:09	mpickering	If we merge something which is broken, then it's not very good
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2020-05-06 22:25:29	wz1000	ok, branch of ghcide without references
2020-05-06 22:25:55	mpickering	If you can backport it to 8.10 so we can try it
2020-05-06 22:26:05	mpickering	then it's fine not being backported 
2020-05-06 22:26:09	mpickering	and we can use it in 8.12
2020-05-06 22:26:12	wz1000	ok
2020-05-06 22:26:23	mpickering	thanks, I will test for you
2020-05-06 22:26:32	mpickering	does haskell-lsp already support multiple responses for go to definition?
2020-05-06 22:26:45	wz1000	I think so
2020-05-06 22:27:03	mpickering	great I think that will be nice
2020-05-06 22:27:08	mpickering	I am liking go to references
2020-05-06 22:27:13	mpickering	with the UI you get in vscode
2020-05-06 22:28:47	wz1000	pity that we can't annotate the locations with additional information
2020-05-06 22:30:14	wz1000	mpickering: I can backport it to 8.6
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2020-05-06 22:30:22	wz1000	that is not going to work with hiedb anyway
2020-05-06 22:30:46	wz1000	so 8.6 can enjoy go to implementation while 8.8-10 enjoy references
2020-05-06 22:30:51	lukelau	fendor: did you say earlier you did some work on the `with-compiler: ` in cabal scripts?
2020-05-06 22:31:40	lukelau	ran into another script just now that needed ran on an earlier version of ghc
2020-05-06 22:31:59	wz1000	everybody gets something
2020-05-06 22:32:00	mpickering	lol what a maverick decision
2020-05-06 22:33:18	lukelau	mpickering: nice touch shuffling the contributors in your blog :)
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2020-05-06 22:36:08	mpickering	lukelau: Was I talking about that earlier or did you read the source code :P ?
2020-05-06 22:36:22	lukelau	the latter
2020-05-06 22:36:33	lukelau	trying to build the site
2020-05-06 22:36:42	lukelau	by the way where do you declare your dependencies
2020-05-06 22:36:50	mpickering	In the site.nix file
2020-05-06 22:36:51	lukelau	i checked the nix file but couldnt find any packages
2020-05-06 22:37:08	mpickering	On line 14
2020-05-06 22:37:17	lukelau	ah ok
2020-05-06 22:37:59	mpickering	this way it always builds.. even if it has to download some stuff first
2020-05-06 22:38:08	mpickering	I need to set up automatic deployment actually
2020-05-06 22:38:16	mpickering	Would be a good excuse for learning how github actions work
2020-05-06 22:38:30	lukelau	doesnt hakyll have like a `deploy` command for scp’ing
2020-05-06 22:38:47	mpickering	It is deployed to GH pages
2020-05-06 22:38:52	lukelau	fancy
2020-05-06 22:38:56	mpickering	manually...
2020-05-06 22:39:02	mpickering	by me copying the result into another folder
2020-05-06 22:39:03	lukelau	lol
2020-05-06 22:39:08	mpickering	and then pushing that
2020-05-06 22:51:49	mpickering	Zubin I am seeing quite often though that not all references are found in my project
2020-05-06 22:52:15	mpickering	We need to be more robust about this 
2020-05-06 22:53:31	wz1000	mpickering: try waiting for a while and running it again
2020-05-06 22:54:57	mpickering	For what precisely to happen?
2020-05-06 22:55:24	wz1000	mpickering: uncomment this line: https://github.com/wz1000/ghcide/blob/82f98f28ed5f8dab2298e1cbc48d8c1eba75a4e3/exe/Main.hs#L107
2020-05-06 22:55:26	mpickering	The whole project builds but there are some references missing
2020-05-06 22:55:44	wz1000	then wait for stuff to stop happending
2020-05-06 22:56:08	wz1000	and check if it still happens after that
2020-05-06 22:56:16	mpickering	ok will try tomorrow to analyse more what is happening
2020-05-06 22:56:26	mpickering	just fixed a core lint error so life it pretty good
2020-05-06 22:56:36	mpickering	or at least changed it into another one
2020-05-06 22:56:50	wz1000	also try hiedb ls to see if the files with the missing references are indexed
2020-05-06 22:57:26	mpickering	It works now because I manually opened the file :) 
2020-05-06 22:58:59	wz1000	mpickering: are you going to add the no tc on FilesOfInterest to master?
2020-05-06 23:01:55	wz1000	mpickering: my usual tricks don't seem like they will work to backport the typeclass info stuff to 8.6
2020-05-06 23:02:21	wz1000	mpickering: I think I will just teach haddock about it
2020-05-06 23:02:53	wz1000	does that work for you?
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2020-05-06 23:03:58	alanz_	jneira, publishing token expired :( https://gist.github.com/alanz/e79368d161345b01fd4688dab3618fc0
2020-05-06 23:04:39	alanz_	lukelau, pong
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2020-05-06 23:10:20	mpickering	wz1000: Works for me, some proof of concept in an existing tool
2020-05-06 23:10:28	mpickering	haddock is a good idea because you can use the ghc-head branch
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2020-05-06 23:10:44	mpickering	wz1000: I didn't want to do it before GC but I think I will
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2020-05-06 23:15:18	lukelau	alanz_: ah that explains things then
2020-05-06 23:15:28	lukelau	you might want to also publish the 0.38 and 0.39 tags lol
2020-05-06 23:16:09	mpickering	lukelau: Did you actually manage to build my site?
2020-05-06 23:16:34	lukelau	mpickering: yeah, it just took a while. pandoc takes forever to build
2020-05-06 23:16:45	lukelau	the server option didnt seem to like the /ide/ folder
2020-05-06 23:17:08	mpickering	oh?
2020-05-06 23:17:49	lukelau	clicking on ide in the sidebar links me to http://127.0.0.1:8000/ide/posts.html
2020-05-06 23:17:55	lukelau	which then says file not found
2020-05-06 23:18:01	lukelau	but when its built it seems to be ok
2020-05-06 23:18:26	mpickering	oh that's because I renamed posts.html to index.html
2020-05-06 23:18:41	mpickering	so hopefully that `localhost:8000/ide` works
2020-05-06 23:18:52	mpickering	but forgot to rename the sidebar
2020-05-06 23:19:01	lukelau	I tried that, it shows like a directory listing
2020-05-06 23:19:28	lukelau	for both localhost:8000/ide and localhost:8000/ide/posts
2020-05-06 23:19:29	alanz_	lukelau, I just plugged in a new token, having eventually tracked down the howto.
2020-05-06 23:19:54	mpickering	ah yeah I think when deployed though it is fine
2020-05-06 23:20:00	mpickering	you will notice the same just going to localhost:
2020-05-06 23:20:06	lukelau	alanz_: awesome, i didn’t realise you had the extension packaging hooked up to CI
2020-05-06 23:20:28	mpickering	I just found the document colour request
2020-05-06 23:20:36	mpickering	I can't imagine a use for that
2020-05-06 23:20:52	mpickering	https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specification#textDocument_documentColor
2020-05-06 23:21:59	lukelau	Yeah, and its one of the newer features that haskell-lsp supports lol
2020-05-06 23:21:59	alanz_	mpickering, imagine writing CSS or some such. Gives an in-editor colour picker
2020-05-06 23:22:46	wz1000	whats semantic highlighting?
2020-05-06 23:24:07	alanz_	A thing coming in 3.16. Used in typescript already, does things like dim out a variable that is defined but not used
2020-05-06 23:24:34	alanz_	BUT, the issue goes into a lot of detail about it, it is a modifier to existing ccolour highlighing
2020-05-06 23:24:47	alanz_	we can use it to distinguish eg types and constructors
2020-05-06 23:25:07	mpickering	lukelau: I feel like I want to make a tracking issue with a bullet for each point in the LSP release notes
2020-05-06 23:25:14	mpickering	as I feel like we barely take advantage of any of the spec
2020-05-06 23:25:22	alanz_	mpickering, just looked at your mock-ups. Top of page/logo looks awesome
2020-05-06 23:25:43	wz1000	mpickering: I don't think there is much that we don't cover now
2020-05-06 23:25:47	alanz_	mpickering, we did/do have one in haskell-lsp, sadly untouched for some time
2020-05-06 23:25:50	wz1000	I've got workspace symbol working
2020-05-06 23:26:18	mpickering	Having a list makes us consider how we could use each feature, ghcide doesn't do completions as well as hie did
2020-05-06 23:26:20	lukelau	wz1000: nice, thats been on the todo list for a while
2020-05-06 23:26:23	mpickering	that is the main one I think of
2020-05-06 23:26:39	lukelau	are completions available in hls?
2020-05-06 23:26:45	alanz_	the hover info is much better in hie too, I think
2020-05-06 23:26:54	alanz_	in terms of content and formatting
2020-05-06 23:27:08	wz1000	I just reimplemented hover
2020-05-06 23:27:39	wz1000	next on the todo list is completions using hie files
2020-05-06 23:27:53	wz1000	so you get proper completions depending on the scope
2020-05-06 23:29:30	alanz_	great
2020-05-06 23:30:10	alanz_	for me hover had two issues: 1 missing monomorphic signature, 2 non-markdown formatting and general format
2020-05-06 23:31:05	wz1000	alanz_: try the new hover
2020-05-06 23:31:24	wz1000	it has monomorphic signatures
2020-05-06 23:31:32	alanz_	ok, have not had time to touch stuff the last little while, been caught up on the vscode extension
2020-05-06 23:31:34	alanz_	great
2020-05-06 23:31:38	wz1000	what is non-markdown formatting?
2020-05-06 23:31:53	alanz_	the formatting did not use markdown.
2020-05-06 23:32:03	wz1000	it did I'm pretty sure
2020-05-06 23:32:07	alanz_	or tried to, but it did not render properly in emacs, which hie does
2020-05-06 23:32:27	mpickering	wz1000: Will scope aware completions not ruin the caching?
2020-05-06 23:32:36	wz1000	mpickering: why?
2020-05-06 23:33:57	alanz_	current (master) hls formatting of hover in emacs https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/MCBARGOB/image.png
2020-05-06 23:34:20	alanz_	scope-aware completions are critical
2020-05-06 23:34:47	mpickering	I suppose you compute them from the cached hie file
2020-05-06 23:35:04	mpickering	We need to have issues tracking all these problems though
2020-05-06 23:35:08	mpickering	and then can tick them off one by one
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2020-05-06 23:39:23	jneira	alanz_ jumm, can i do something to  help?
2020-05-06 23:40:12	wz1000	yeah, the idea is to generate a interval tree mapping scopes to names
2020-05-06 23:40:40	wz1000	and then that tree can be queried in a fuzzy manner, eg position +- 1 line
2020-05-06 23:41:37	mpickering	as long as it's not slow
2020-05-06 23:42:41	wz1000	we already have a bunch of maps like this like the refmap etc.
2020-05-06 23:47:02	alanz_	jneira, no, I know what the problem is, just have to get over my finger trouble.
2020-05-06 23:50:06	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/issues/23
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2020-05-07 00:07:37	alanz_	jneira, what do you know about publishing on the marketplace? I follow https://code.visualstudio.com/api/working-with-extensions/publishing-extension#publishing-extensions, create a fresh token, follow the process in the script, it gives me a 401
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2020-05-07 00:36:17	mpickering	https://twitter.com/github/status/1258068851809497089?s=20
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2020-05-07 00:46:48	lukelau	mpickering: that looks like vscode, wonder if you can install language servers within it 😛 
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2020-05-07 01:07:57	jneira	alanz_ sorry, i never had to use one, in hie we use github deploy and it needs a github key (if i remember correctly)
2020-05-07 01:10:43	alanz_	no problem, I will get to the bottom of it
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2020-05-07 01:33:26	alanz_	logged an issue with azure. usernames changed somewhere along the way, single sign on, merge skype, marketplace, azure. Aargh.
2020-05-07 01:34:12	alanz_	third evening in a row going down the vscode markeplace tubes
2020-05-07 01:36:27	alanz_	wz1000, any reason I shouldn't use your ghcide docs branch in hls?
2020-05-07 02:02:30	alanz_	so, I send a mail to  vsmarketplace-eng@microsoft.com telling them I have a problem setting up authentication. They respond saying I am not in the allowed senders list. ie not authenticated. Groundhog day
2020-05-07 02:04:18	alanz_	note: signed in, click the "Contact Microsoft" link in the marketplace page. Perhaps in their world people who are not on office365 do not exist
2020-05-07 02:05:21	jneira	software kafkian world :-/
2020-05-07 02:06:58	jneira	you still can login to azure devops and check the key has all permissions of the world, no?
2020-05-07 02:08:54	alanz_	yes. I did not give it every permission though, just the ones in the readme. The rest seem pretty powerful
2020-05-07 02:09:06	alanz_	perhaps that is the next step, make a "super token"
2020-05-07 02:09:50	alanz_	I joined skype shortly after it launched. So my account has been migrated and munged many times, I guess
2020-05-07 02:09:55	jneira	permission to send emails to miccrosoft for example :-P
2020-05-07 02:12:51	alanz_	I just clicked on something to connect to docs. And made a "Full access" token.
2020-05-07 02:13:17	alanz_	I get an email about it around an hour later, guess I must wait. Will do a custom click every button one too
2020-05-07 02:14:09	alanz_	jneira, can I add you to the publishing account? it makes sense to have a backup maintainer anyway, and maybe your token will work. Since you are more in the ecosystem
2020-05-07 02:20:17	jneira	sure
2020-05-07 02:21:08	jneira	i will have to set up travis for the extension
2020-05-07 02:21:46	alanz_	well, lets first see if I can add you to the marketplace
2020-05-07 02:22:19	alanz_	for which I need a valid email addrss. I suggest you give it to me via a /query channel
2020-05-07 02:22:52	jneira	i already had my fork addes in travis
2020-05-07 02:22:52	alanz_	then all we need to do is plug a valid token into the environment variable on travis
2020-05-07 02:23:11	alanz_	ie no specific change, we just need a valid token
2020-05-07 02:23:42	alanz_	for use with "vsce publish -p $VS_CODE`, which is in the .travis.yml
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2020-05-07 03:14:40	fendor	lukelau, please remind me tomorrow. But no, I didnt, I was working improving the script features, but havent started any PR yet.
2020-05-07 03:16:02	alanz_	lukelau, eventually, with help from Tehnix, we got the vscode extension published
2020-05-07 03:16:34	alanz_	by digging out the original issue from 2018 and commenting on it with an incantation
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2020-05-07 11:41:27	mpickering	wz1000: What is the freshest stuff to build today?
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2020-05-07 12:35:49	wz1000	mpickering: yesterday I was mostly just mucking about with the rules, don't really have anything usable
2020-05-07 12:36:29	wz1000	also the liquor stores opened for the first time since the lockdown, so was taking advantage of that
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2020-05-07 12:42:42	alanz_	wz1000, enjoy :)
2020-05-07 12:42:56	wz1000	alanz_: you could use hls-squash-bugs, but see the comments on the PR: https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/pull/22
2020-05-07 12:43:05	mpickering	Not a problem, just wanted to help out if possible
2020-05-07 12:43:21	alanz_	wz1000, I gave it a spin yesterday, did not see much difference in hover formatting
2020-05-07 12:44:03	alanz_	When I get time I am planning on capturing the messages for a hie hover report and an hls one, to see what is different about them, in terms of formatting
2020-05-07 12:49:01	wz1000	alanz_: I think I figured out your problem
2020-05-07 12:49:35	alanz_	tell me more
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2020-05-07 12:50:03	wz1000	alanz_: I'll try to fix it and then you can test :)
2020-05-07 12:50:25	alanz_	sounds good. 
2020-05-07 12:50:51	alanz_	I can only get to it later today though. Tomorrow is a holiday here though, fwiw. 
2020-05-07 12:53:41	wz1000	alanz_: ok, so the old way that HIE does it seem to be deprecated in LSP
2020-05-07 12:53:57	alanz_	ok
2020-05-07 12:54:28	wz1000	In HIE we return a [MarkedString]
2020-05-07 12:54:31	alanz_	but then we need to make the new way work properly. And reading between the lines that might mean fixing emacs-lsp
2020-05-07 12:54:34	wz1000	which is deprecated
2020-05-07 12:54:58	wz1000	yes, emacs-lsp needs to recognize "*\t*\t*" as a section separator
2020-05-07 12:55:36	wz1000	In ghcide it is a single MarkedContent, with the section separator embed in between
2020-05-07 12:55:55	wz1000	So earlier the elements of the list acted as section separators
2020-05-07 12:57:30	alanz_	why is "*\t*\t*\t" regarded as a section separator in markup?
2020-05-07 12:57:42	alanz_	it supports plain text, or markup, I see
2020-05-07 13:00:02	alanz_	ok, I see it in the GH spec. translates to <hr />
2020-05-07 13:00:38	alanz_	why they have to extend their own shit.  Will make an issue on emacs-lsp.  There are some other issues too, may have to chase them elsewhere.
2020-05-07 13:01:50	wz1000	alanz_: ok, I can't find the old way being marked as deprecated on the lsp spec. It is marked as deprecated in haskell-lsp though for some reason
2020-05-07 13:02:26	wz1000	lukelau can you help here?
2020-05-07 13:02:51	alanz_	It is deprecated, the description is a bit hidden
2020-05-07 13:03:59	alanz_	in the description of MarkedString, near the bottom
2020-05-07 13:04:21	wz1000	ok, I was looking at the 3.14 spec
2020-05-07 13:04:49	alanz_	need to look at current :). And it calls in this doc, https://github.github.com/gfm/#example-11
2020-05-07 13:04:54	alanz_	and that is the place
2020-05-07 13:06:21	alanz_	I use this URL: https://microsoft.github.io/language-server-protocol/specifications/specification-current/
2020-05-07 13:06:34	alanz_	which lets you switch between 3.14, 3.15, 3.16
2020-05-07 13:07:21	wz1000	yeah, I just got the 3.14 spec because thats what was in my history
2020-05-07 13:07:21	 *	alanz_ time to commute to my other laptop
2020-05-07 13:07:25	alanz_	ok
2020-05-07 13:17:03	wz1000	mpickering: let me know if you can reproduce that references behaviour you were complaining about yesterday after tracing quiets down
2020-05-07 13:20:35	mpickering	wz1000: ok link me again to which trace you think I should remove?
2020-05-07 13:21:54	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/ghcide/blob/82f98f28ed5f8dab2298e1cbc48d8c1eba75a4e3/exe/Main.hs#L107
2020-05-07 13:22:00	wz1000	enable tracing
2020-05-07 13:22:12	wz1000	just a warning: that file can grow very big very fast
2020-05-07 13:22:23	wz1000	best option is to make it a fifo
2020-05-07 13:22:29	wz1000	and then tail -f it
2020-05-07 13:22:33	wz1000	in a terminal
2020-05-07 13:23:02	wz1000	and make sure you don't have unlimited scrollback on
2020-05-07 13:24:05	wz1000	use the hiedb-refs-rebased branch
2020-05-07 13:24:43	wz1000	wait, I'll add your no tc commit to it
2020-05-07 13:25:46	wz1000	done
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2020-05-07 13:39:49	mpickering	Is this your most recent commit?
2020-05-07 13:40:00	mpickering	    Use write-ahead-logging to support concurrent reads and writes
2020-05-07 13:43:17	wz1000	mpickering: https://github.com/wz1000/ghcide/commits/hiedb-refs-rebased
2020-05-07 13:44:58	mpickering	thanks ok
2020-05-07 13:45:07	mpickering	just setting up gh actions for my blog
2020-05-07 13:45:15	mpickering	which always takes about 5x as long as it should dealing with CI
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2020-05-07 17:19:07	lukelau	wz1000: yeah, use markupcontent. the spec is unfortunately not that clear
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2020-05-07 17:58:04	jneira	scala is going to implement bsp(build server protocol) in sbt: https://contributors.scala-lang.org/t/build-server-protocol-in-sbt/4234
2020-05-07 17:58:27	jneira	i wonder if it could be a game changer like lsp
2020-05-07 17:59:13	jneira	and where could be implemented for cabal (or cabal+stack?)? in a new lib of course
2020-05-07 18:00:27	jneira	you could build your project from the ide, with no cli! like enterprisey devs! no dark mode!
2020-05-07 18:00:45	Unode	hi all. Some half a year ago I tried hie with vscode and was amazed by its usefulness. However I was plagued with memory overuse. I tried setting up OOM killer strategies but these were not really working well and caused intermittent and unexpected behavior in vscode.
2020-05-07 18:01:13	Unode	Are these memory issues still common or are there workaround in place to make them more manageable?
2020-05-07 18:01:42	Unode	I'd very much like to use hie but those issues were a bit too disruptive turning into a deal breaker.
2020-05-07 18:07:43	mpickering	Unode: We are all working on ghcide and haskell-language-server now
2020-05-07 18:07:46	mpickering	So you could try one of those
2020-05-07 18:07:57	mpickering	I use ghcide everyday on GHC's code base without serious memory issues
2020-05-07 18:08:49	Unode	mpickering: that's great news. I'll give them a try.
2020-05-07 18:08:55	Unode	thanks for the feedback
2020-05-07 18:09:04	mpickering	Depending on how spicy you like it I can point you to the right branch
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2020-05-07 21:31:55	mpickering	lukelau: What is this orange circle on the image doing?
2020-05-07 21:36:06	lukelau	orangle circle?
2020-05-07 21:36:11	lukelau	the ring around PLUGINS?
2020-05-07 21:36:37	mpickering	yeah the orange one
2020-05-07 21:36:57	lukelau	Thats what alanz_ was mentioning yesterday, that ghcide is also technically a plugin in the eyes of hls
2020-05-07 21:37:08	mpickering	I couldn't concentrate on work now so I have edited your post and made some more tweaks to the site
2020-05-07 21:37:40	mpickering	will do a deployment now for people to look at
2020-05-07 21:37:54	lukelau	cool
2020-05-07 21:38:08	mpickering	Including a bunch of css tweaks that only I will notice heh
2020-05-07 21:39:55	mpickering	the orange line is a bit jarring to me
2020-05-07 21:39:57	mpickering	but anyway
2020-05-07 21:40:53	alanz_	lukelau, is there an updated image?
2020-05-07 21:41:18	mpickering	I am deploying now alanz_ wait a sec 
2020-05-07 21:41:25	lukelau	alanz_: indeed
2020-05-07 21:41:35	alanz_	jneira, fyi we are looking at making a project node/runtime node for erlang_ls possible implementing the build server protocol. Still feeling our way
2020-05-07 21:41:36	lukelau	its important we get this image right if we want to avoid confusion
2020-05-07 21:42:17	alanz_	https://github.com/erlang-ls/erlang_bs, https://github.com/erlang-ls/erlang_ls/blob/master/specs/runtime_node.md
2020-05-07 21:44:16	alanz_	and there are some question marks about sbt performance. https://contributors.scala-lang.org/t/build-server-protocol-in-sbt/4234
2020-05-07 21:44:36	alanz_	lukelau, I agree
2020-05-07 21:44:39	lukelau	mpickering: will tweak that image
2020-05-07 21:44:54	alanz_	mpickering, is it a draft you are publishing? i.e. not general release?
2020-05-07 21:44:59	mpickering	https://mpickering.github.io/ide/index.html
2020-05-07 21:45:22	mpickering	I am not going to publicise it yet 
2020-05-07 21:45:30	alanz_	ok.
2020-05-07 21:45:35	mpickering	just put it up for comments
2020-05-07 21:45:44	alanz_	I reckon the orange circle does not do much for us.
2020-05-07 21:45:48	mpickering	and to test the deployment, which works, so lukelau if you fix the image just make a PR and merge it yourself
2020-05-07 21:46:03	lukelau	mpickering i think the fonts are broken
2020-05-07 21:46:12	alanz_	What might work is to surround the bits providing hie with one colour circle, ghcide with another, and hls with a third
2020-05-07 21:46:21	alanz_	to show how they hang together
2020-05-07 21:46:23	mpickering	On my website? works for me
2020-05-07 21:46:32	lukelau	Or at least it looked different than when i built it locally
2020-05-07 21:47:04	alanz_	and I would move the haskell-ide-engine one further off to the side, so we can emphasise it is going to be euthenased.
2020-05-07 21:47:23	lukelau	mpickering: “The page at https://mpickering.github.io/ide/posts/2020-05-08-state-of-haskell-ide.html was not allowed to run insecure content from http://fonts.googleapis.com/css?family=Vollkorn.”
2020-05-07 21:47:32	mpickering	oh I see
2020-05-07 21:47:52	lukelau	alanz_: haskell-ide-engine is going to the happy farm
2020-05-07 21:48:23	alanz_	the very one. can sit on the verandah and stare off into space, with a coffee in hand
2020-05-07 21:49:50	wz1000	a lot of the ghcide code is taken from HIE
2020-05-07 21:50:03	wz1000	hover, completions etc.
2020-05-07 21:51:00	mpickering	Since you are here alanz_, I was chatting with lukelau earlier about seeting up OpenCollective for haskell-language-server (https://opencollective.com/)
2020-05-07 21:51:03	mpickering	what do you think?
2020-05-07 21:51:21	mpickering	It seems quite successful for Dhall - https://opencollective.com/dhall
2020-05-07 21:51:32	mpickering	https://opencollective.com/static-haskell-nix
2020-05-07 21:51:48	mpickering	https://opencollective.com/nixos
2020-05-07 21:52:40	mpickering	The fix for the fonts should be deployed now lukelau 
2020-05-07 21:52:52	lukelau	thanks
2020-05-07 21:53:18	wz1000	what does the money go towards?
2020-05-07 21:53:23	alanz_	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/91rxobbC/IMG_20200507_172240.jpg
2020-05-07 21:54:05	mpickering	wz1000: There are plenty of people who work on hls who are not funded
2020-05-07 21:54:18	mpickering	and the money can be used to incentivise work like packaging binaries and so on
2020-05-07 21:54:25	mpickering	working on the documentation etc
2020-05-07 21:54:44	wz1000	yes, how do we decide what to pay whom?
2020-05-07 21:54:51	wz1000	Is it infrastructure/CI?
2020-05-07 21:54:53	alanz_	mpickering, I am very wary of bringing money directly in to a thing like this. It can poison the environment
2020-05-07 21:55:02	alanz_	if some get paid, and others not.
2020-05-07 21:55:10	wz1000	per issue/feature/bug fix?
2020-05-07 21:55:22	alanz_	using OC for servers, CI, helping for meetups, yes. 
2020-05-07 21:55:25	mpickering	wz1000: What is your suggestion?
2020-05-07 21:55:42	alanz_	lukelau, did you see my back of the envelope
2020-05-07 21:55:43	wz1000	I don't have one
2020-05-07 21:55:57	mpickering	My opinion is we should use the money to incentivise development 
2020-05-07 21:56:02	mpickering	as other projects ie nixos and dhall do
2020-05-07 21:56:06	alanz_	mpickering, which money?
2020-05-07 21:56:15	mpickering	The money which people will pay to open collective
2020-05-07 21:56:27	alanz_	ah, gotcha
2020-05-07 21:56:41	lukelau	alanz_: shouldn’t plugins also be going into hls
2020-05-07 21:57:08	mpickering	for example, paying someone $500 to package a windows binary is not a lot of money but could persuade someone to do it 
2020-05-07 21:57:35	alanz_	true
2020-05-07 21:58:07	wz1000	so bounties?
2020-05-07 21:58:11	alanz_	I left out lsp-test too. It is kind of orthogonal. Vital, but orthogonal
2020-05-07 21:58:55	alanz_	mpickering, maybe have some chats to GabrielG and the nixos etc folks, about how well it is working.
2020-05-07 22:00:03	alanz_	lukelau, I was trying to show that each of ghcide, hls and hie exposes an LSP server. So maybe we should add a client at the bottom of the pic, with a choice arrow coming out?
2020-05-07 22:02:19	lukelau	alanz_: not a bad idea. will use a different arrow to show its not a dependency a such
2020-05-07 22:02:36	alanz_	yes. The users of the thing
2020-05-07 22:03:02	wz1000	mpickering: does open collective allow you to allocate funds for a specific task
2020-05-07 22:03:33	wz1000	I think Saurabh Nanda posted a bounty for HIE once
2020-05-07 22:03:46	lukelau	wz1000: yeah, it seems to be kind of bounty based
2020-05-07 22:04:33	alanz_	I think the funds go into a kitty, then the "owners" decide how to spend it. And it is all shown in public
2020-05-07 22:05:20	alanz_	https://opencollective.com/dhall#section-budget
2020-05-07 22:05:41	alanz_	https://opencollective.com/dhall/transactions
2020-05-07 22:06:22	alanz_	or rather: https://opencollective.com/dhall/expenses
2020-05-07 22:07:31	lukelau	I was saying to mpickering that tooling is something that i can imagine a lot of companies wanting to sponsor/invest in
2020-05-07 22:10:23	wz1000	all we need is a willing czar to manage the money
2020-05-07 22:10:38	mpickering	alanz_: there are already a lot of people who have been paid on some way to work on ghcide
2020-05-07 22:11:19	alanz_	yes, but generally as a byproduct of something else. ie cocreature et al, the guys at SC, the GSOC people
2020-05-07 22:12:06	mpickering	I have been paid directly to work on it 
2020-05-07 22:13:26	alanz_	ok, well done.
2020-05-07 22:14:14	alanz_	if you guys want to manage something around it, be my guest. The concept makes me nervous, but I am also in a privileged position, I guess. In terms of my time usage
2020-05-07 22:15:45	wz1000	I'm also OK with the idea as long as someone else is in charge
2020-05-07 22:16:05	mpickering	I can definitely manage it but need other people to help make funding decisions and also need buy in from current contributors
2020-05-07 22:16:51	wz1000	maybe we can get David Christiansen to do it lol
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2020-05-07 22:17:20	mpickering	Underated comment
2020-05-07 22:17:40	mpickering	I'll just get Simon to email him to ask
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2020-05-07 22:19:52	wz1000	problem with someone on the project being in charge is that paying yourself is weird
2020-05-07 22:20:53	alanz_	thats why you need some sort of decision process, which means a group of people, which means the legitimacy of those people can get questioned ....
2020-05-07 22:21:06	alanz_	and agreement on the decision process
2020-05-07 22:25:14	lukelau	presumably this stuff should fall under the haskell.org committee somehow
2020-05-07 22:25:46	lukelau	if it is to be the official “tooling subcommittee”
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2020-05-07 22:28:58	lukelau	I did a deploy with a new illustration, hopefully this is more clear whats a plugin and that hie is RIP https://mpickering.github.io/ide/images/tooling-graph.png
2020-05-07 22:29:03	lukelau	hope you dont mind mpickering
2020-05-07 22:30:08	wz1000	it would be nice to somehow show hie getting absorbed into ghcide and hls
2020-05-07 22:30:19	wz1000	don't know how to depict that graphically though
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2020-05-07 22:32:23	lukelau	indeed. its becoming evident that my talents do not lie in drawing though lol
2020-05-07 22:34:31	mpickering	fwiw I like the diagram
2020-05-07 22:34:35	mpickering	think it's a good idea
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2020-05-07 22:50:42	fendor	lukelau, I like the picture!
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2020-05-07 23:00:41	wz1000	alanz_, lukelau: Any particular reason we handle shutdown requests this way and don't give the server a chance to react? https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Core.hs#L992
2020-05-07 23:00:51	wz1000	I imagine it would be useful for cleanup etc.
2020-05-07 23:07:51	alanz_	wz1000, no reason
2020-05-07 23:08:15	alanz_	But I think that runs after the handler has a go?
2020-05-07 23:09:05	wz1000	alanz_: no, it doesn't
2020-05-07 23:09:29	wz1000	we ignore the handler, see https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Core.hs#L992
2020-05-07 23:09:30	alanz_	yes, I just saw that.
2020-05-07 23:09:34	wz1000	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/master/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Core.hs#L343
2020-05-07 23:09:36	wz1000	sorry
2020-05-07 23:10:01	alanz_	maybe we should add a handler, and use that in the Nothing case
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2020-05-07 23:15:31	fendor	hls shake reference seems to be non-existant. What is the latest branch of shake, mpickering?
2020-05-07 23:17:10	alanz_	the joys of rebase
2020-05-07 23:19:10	 *	jneira taking a look to erlang code (erlang_bs)
2020-05-07 23:19:11	alanz_	lukelau, that diagram is great now
2020-05-07 23:19:24	jneira	i like it too
2020-05-07 23:19:42	fendor	yeah it is really nice. I think it provides a nice overview
2020-05-07 23:19:58	mpickering	fendor: hmm sorry about that
2020-05-07 23:20:15	alanz_	jneira, not much to see, it is very WIP, and basically a behaviour, which is like an interface definition. The first pass use of it is https://github.com/erlang-ls/rebar3_erlang_ls
2020-05-07 23:21:17	mpickering	fendor: Are you seeing - fb3859dca2e54d1bbb2c873e68ed225fa179fbef?
2020-05-07 23:22:12	fendor	mpickering, no problem. For shake? No, dont think so
2020-05-07 23:22:35	alanz_	lukelau, mpickering nice initial overview post. Well done.
2020-05-07 23:23:16	mpickering	That's the commit here fendor https://github.com/wz1000/shake/tree/no-scheduler
2020-05-07 23:23:23	mpickering	so should be fine?
2020-05-07 23:23:48	fendor	ah, yeah sure
2020-05-07 23:23:51	mpickering	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/blob/hls/cabal.project#L9
2020-05-07 23:24:01	fendor	in cabal.project, your repo is listed
2020-05-07 23:24:09	fendor	in hls' cabal.project
2020-05-07 23:24:12	mpickering	No it isn't :)
2020-05-07 23:24:30	mpickering	Ah you are building hls, then I defer to other people
2020-05-07 23:25:13	fendor	yeah, different submodule. Time to update to latest ghcide
2020-05-07 23:26:37	fendor	damn, in hls, ghcide is already five days old. That's hardly bleeding edge anymore! 
2020-05-07 23:27:05	mpickering	Need to work out what is wrong with wz1000's hiedb stuff and get that merged into master
2020-05-07 23:27:24	alanz_	fendor, I did an update with wz1000 stuff from a few days ago, but did not publish it. Simple rebase
2020-05-07 23:27:51	fendor	I am working on hie-bios stuff now, then continue with the bad-interface files
2020-05-07 23:28:07	mpickering	you mean the prs?
2020-05-07 23:28:09	wz1000	mpickering: is the wrong still hypothetical, or do you have something in mind
2020-05-07 23:28:28	wz1000	another thing to do before merging that is add the 8.6 CP
2020-05-07 23:28:29	wz1000	P
2020-05-07 23:28:30	fendor	yeah, the prs
2020-05-07 23:28:32	mpickering	no it is definitely not showing all references when the whole tree builds
2020-05-07 23:28:35	alanz_	ok. and i have not (yet) looked at the state of commits of the ecosystem to see about updating stuff
2020-05-07 23:28:37	mpickering	which I am considering a bug
2020-05-07 23:28:48	wz1000	yeah. could you reproduce that today?
2020-05-07 23:28:56	mpickering	yes but not in a useful way
2020-05-07 23:29:00	wz1000	with the tracing stuff?
2020-05-07 23:29:26	mpickering	I had it on, I will look at the log now
2020-05-07 23:29:49	wz1000	I doubt you will get much from the log lol
2020-05-07 23:30:14	wz1000	Its just a way to know if its still writing
2020-05-07 23:30:27	mpickering	Does the log show selects?
2020-05-07 23:30:31	wz1000	so if you get incomplete messages while stuff is still being written to the log
2020-05-07 23:30:32	mpickering	or only insrts?
2020-05-07 23:30:35	wz1000	only inserts
2020-05-07 23:30:42	mpickering	great well yeah, no then
2020-05-07 23:31:30	wz1000	the point of the log was to see if you can still reproduce it while the log is quiet
2020-05-07 23:32:53	wz1000	we can probably hook that onto the progress reporting stuff
2020-05-07 23:32:55	mpickering	yeah the log was quiet
2020-05-07 23:33:04	mpickering	I was a bit surprised how slow it was to populate the db
2020-05-07 23:33:31	wz1000	yeah it takes a while with something like ghc
2020-05-07 23:34:01	wz1000	we did this in HIW? it took a minute or so to index everything
2020-05-07 23:34:40	mpickering	I am talking about increntally
2020-05-07 23:34:48	mpickering	I somehow imagine that would be faster
2020-05-07 23:35:12	wz1000	yeah, it only reindexes the files that have been regenerated
2020-05-07 23:35:12	mpickering	even if the hiefile is not modified right you still reindex it?
2020-05-07 23:35:28	wz1000	it is reindexed if ghcide decides to regenerate it
2020-05-07 23:35:46	mpickering	but ghcide regenerates it if it decides to typecheck it?
2020-05-07 23:36:06	wz1000	yes, and it is not of interest
2020-05-07 23:36:59	mpickering	If a downstream module changes, then is an upstream hie file still valid?
2020-05-07 23:37:44	wz1000	it will have the old types and any names that have been removed
2020-05-07 23:37:57	mpickering	let's be clear here
2020-05-07 23:38:04	mpickering	if I have module A which depends on B
2020-05-07 23:38:06	mpickering	then I change B
2020-05-07 23:38:12	mpickering	is the hie file for A now invalid or not?
2020-05-07 23:38:26	wz1000	what exactly do you mean by invalid?
2020-05-07 23:38:30	wz1000	You can read it
2020-05-07 23:38:35	wz1000	get some information out of it
2020-05-07 23:38:45	wz1000	some of that information may no longer be accurate
2020-05-07 23:38:49	mpickering	I mean does it give you the correct information
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2020-05-07 23:39:02	mpickering	ok, so you do need to regenerate it thanks
2020-05-07 23:39:22	wz1000	It captures the information as it was when you last generated the hiefile
2020-05-07 23:39:47	wz1000	which might still be useful for IDE purposes
2020-05-07 23:40:01	wz1000	while you are regenerating it
2020-05-07 23:41:30	mpickering	ok so that is ok
2020-05-07 23:43:01	mpickering	Now why would the database not show some references
2020-05-07 23:43:23	mpickering	the only situation I imagined was that we had never typechecked the module
2020-05-07 23:43:27	mpickering	but that should happen on the initial load
2020-05-07 23:43:50	mpickering	Is there the invariant that if there is a .hi file for a module then it should be indexed?
2020-05-07 23:44:07	mpickering	It would be useful for me if you added traces which told me how many files were currently indexed in the database
2020-05-07 23:44:27	wz1000	ok. meanwhile you can use hiedb to query the database
2020-05-07 23:44:41	mpickering	and also if you added a debugging function which checked which files were indexed vs which ones had entries for GetModIface in the Values map
2020-05-07 23:45:07	mpickering	yes next time I notice I will check
2020-05-07 23:45:10	wz1000	I can also try to implement progress reporting for indexing
2020-05-07 23:45:39	mpickering	but I am actually trying to do something when I find references
2020-05-07 23:46:43	wz1000	yeah so if I want you to debug the ide I must make it as painless as possible
2020-05-07 23:47:00	mpickering	so am not also looking to query hiedb, so I would prefer to try to state the invariants and write functions to verify them
2020-05-07 23:47:36	mpickering	I found go to definition failing today as well, but again didn't want to debug it in detail
2020-05-07 23:47:48	mpickering	but I could look in the log if there was something clear to look at
2020-05-07 23:49:12	wz1000	this is what mpardalos is here to do lol
2020-05-07 23:49:45	mpickering	lol, not sure if he responds immediately to pings from Zubin yet like I do <3
2020-05-07 23:50:10	mpickering	anyway let's give him the chance to at least build the project once before we get him to fix all our issues
2020-05-07 23:51:16	mpardalos	Just happened to be online and saw this 😂
2020-05-07 23:52:18	mpardalos	<mpickering "anyway let's give him the chance"> Currently working on that
2020-05-07 23:56:57	mpickering	fendor: Are you going to take over #175 from jneira to finish it off as well?
2020-05-07 23:57:09	fendor	mpickering, probably, yeah
2020-05-07 23:57:33	fendor	eating dinner but afterwards I intend to get it ready for merge
2020-05-08 00:01:46	mpardalos	For ghcide: If I want to use stack instead of cabal, should I be editing the hie.yaml file? The included file uses cabal. 
2020-05-08 00:02:16	mpardalos	I checked haskell-language-server as well and there is 2 hie.yaml files there (hie.yaml.cbl and .stack) and the README says to just copy one into hie.yaml
2020-05-08 00:06:54	mpickering	mpardalos: Sure just edit the hie.yaml file
2020-05-08 00:07:00	mpickering	I think the one in upstream does use stack
2020-05-08 00:07:22	mpickering	https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/blob/master/hie.yaml
2020-05-08 00:08:04	mpardalos	Ah ok. Didn't think to check upstream as well
2020-05-08 00:23:02	jneira	fendor mipckering i could change to withSystemTempFile
2020-05-08 00:24:58	jneira	but to throw an error if HIE_BIOS_OUPUT is empty we have to change the call to `stack path`that does no write nothing there (afaiu)
2020-05-08 00:30:25	mpickering	jneira: I am just suggesting that you don't check if the file exist
2020-05-08 00:30:52	mpickering	If you don't check that then withFile will throw an exception right?
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2020-05-08 00:33:46	jneira	ok
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2020-05-08 02:12:27	alanz_	It seems there is a simple change in markup required for hls/ghcide, see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/issues/97
2020-05-08 02:12:50	alanz_	the ```haskell needs to be on the left column, not in the middle somewhere
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2020-05-08 02:17:38	EncodePanda	hi all, would love to help the initiative with documentation of the project: both from the end user perspective [1] and development/contribution [2]
2020-05-08 02:18:52	alanz_	EncodePanda, awesome.
2020-05-08 02:18:59	EncodePanda	[1] i would really like to boot HLS for some of my projects (hobby ones and the one i do for a living), documenting my progress (from Emacs perspective) would be beneficial for other newbs like me :)
2020-05-08 02:19:24	EncodePanda	[2] even though project is still heavily under development, from what i got in Bristol few months ago some things are set in stone (more or less) and it would be nice to at least vaguely putting them 'on paper'
2020-05-08 02:19:35	alanz_	Being a newbie is a privileged viewpoint that disapears very quickly.
2020-05-08 02:20:06	alanz_	if you are able to journal your experiences, and write them up, we can identify sticking points to improve
2020-05-08 02:20:14	EncodePanda	"what's stopping you, do it" .. well i know very little about the project and discussions on tickets are done by people who already know a lot
2020-05-08 02:20:27	EncodePanda	i'm trying to think what's the best approach here to take
2020-05-08 02:20:47	alanz_	Well, what is your personal state of knowledge right now?
2020-05-08 02:20:48	EncodePanda	i'm thinking i would go with [1] for start (there is event ticket for that i think on github)
2020-05-08 02:20:55	alanz_	have you run it yet? 
2020-05-08 02:21:10	EncodePanda	and when i'm blocked (which will happen right away) i will reach out here, does it make sense?
2020-05-08 02:21:17	alanz_	yes, perfect.
2020-05-08 02:21:30	EncodePanda	no, i haven't, i know very little about LSP (i know what it's doing, i havent played with it before)
2020-05-08 02:21:43	EncodePanda	i'm happy to do the work and document along the way
2020-05-08 02:21:52	mpickering	EncodePanda: Perhaps read the post here mpickering.github.io/ide
2020-05-08 02:21:54	EncodePanda	just kindly asking for help along the way 
2020-05-08 02:22:31	EncodePanda	mpickering: will do
2020-05-08 02:24:03	mpickering	Don't share the post yet please, stealth launch for that site
2020-05-08 02:24:09	mpickering	I am going to share it tomorrow
2020-05-08 02:24:32	EncodePanda	ok, thanks
2020-05-08 02:24:58	EncodePanda	i was there when the diagram was created :)  Bristol was awesome experience
2020-05-08 02:25:19	mpickering	The only Haskell hackathon of 2020 probably!
2020-05-08 02:25:31	alanz_	yes. But it *was* a great experience
2020-05-08 02:25:44	alanz_	and gave the hls work a kick start.
2020-05-08 02:26:09	EncodePanda	is there a roadmap of things that need to be ported from hie and ghcide ?
2020-05-08 02:27:15	EncodePanda	and once those things are ported, are hie and ghcide are going to reach the end of their lifecycle?
2020-05-08 02:27:15	alanz_	EncodePanda, we are going to wrap the things from ghcide initially (already are).
2020-05-08 02:27:23	alanz_	No.
2020-05-08 02:27:57	alanz_	What I see happening is that ghcide will remain as the fast-moving hardcore version. It will be able to work with GHC master, for example
2020-05-08 02:28:21	alanz_	hls will follow the publicly release GHC and have plugins that are updated more slowly
2020-05-08 02:28:32	alanz_	based on the published GHC.
2020-05-08 02:28:52	mpickering	I have made some arrangements to arrange it again in Bristol next January but nothing concrete yet
2020-05-08 02:29:47	jneira	lukelau i've just read the post and it is almost perfect, :-O
2020-05-08 02:30:39	alanz_	mpickering, it will be good to have it as an annual event
2020-05-08 02:33:13	mpickering	alanz_: Your hover issue is because of how ghcide renders haddocks
2020-05-08 02:33:16	mpickering	as you may have guessed
2020-05-08 02:33:53	alanz_	yes, just starting to dive in. Should be simple to sort. I hope.
2020-05-08 02:34:21	EncodePanda	mpickering this really *should* be an annual event :)
2020-05-08 02:34:23	alanz_	I remember sorting this particular issue in hie
2020-05-08 02:34:39	EncodePanda	alanz_ thanks for the explanation
2020-05-08 02:34:57	alanz_	making sure the marker is "\n```haskell\n" not just "```haskell`
2020-05-08 02:35:37	mpickering	I posted the location on the ticket
2020-05-08 02:35:59	EncodePanda	do you folks know if i can find Neil Mitchell somewhere here on freenode :)  i have a question regarding hlint extension
2020-05-08 02:36:29	alanz_	thans
2020-05-08 02:36:50	alanz_	EncodePanda, probably best to ask in an issue on hlint
2020-05-08 02:37:17	EncodePanda	cool, thx
2020-05-08 02:39:09	alanz_	mpickering, its crazy, the right incantation is added, then stripped off again
2020-05-08 02:39:29	alanz_	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/blob/hls/src/Development/IDE/Spans/Common.hs#L106
2020-05-08 02:40:16	mpickering	Perhaps we should newcomer to rewrite this stuff using a proper pretty printing library :P 
2020-05-08 02:42:21	alanz_	possibly
2020-05-08 02:42:49	alanz_	in the mean time I am keen to sort out something, so I can read my hover info
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2020-05-08 02:45:56	alanz_	so trimStart uses isSpace, which treats \n as whitespace. bingo
2020-05-08 02:46:04	alanz_	as you said, mpickering
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2020-05-08 02:50:20	wz1000	that "pretty" printer was a temporary hack I never expected to survive this long
2020-05-08 02:50:34	wz1000	from HIE into a whole new IDE even
2020-05-08 02:51:15	alanz_	mpickering, see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/blob/d9d21fb0675280e20e837dbeb5715dab65e9c6be/src/Haskell/Ide/Engine/Plugin/Haddock.hs#L171-L188
2020-05-08 02:51:26	alanz_	using the proper haddock renderer, I think?
2020-05-08 02:51:39	alanz_	ah, is that what it is.
2020-05-08 02:51:57	alanz_	wz1000, have you started a new day? or still up? what TZ are you in?
2020-05-08 02:52:41	wz1000	I'm still up lol
2020-05-08 02:53:00	wz1000	writing my first piece of TH ever
2020-05-08 02:53:18	alanz_	close to 3am where you are?
2020-05-08 02:53:23	wz1000	yes
2020-05-08 02:53:57	alanz_	"writing my first piece of TH ever". Is that a brag, or expression of disgust?
2020-05-08 02:54:09	wz1000	closer to the second
2020-05-08 02:54:17	alanz_	:)
2020-05-08 02:55:04	wz1000	the brag is that I've not had the need to do so before
2020-05-08 02:56:16	alanz_	I have not written any in anger either. Had to *use* some, in magic incantation mode because other people want lenses
2020-05-08 02:56:30	alanz_	or free. To generate trivial instances
2020-05-08 02:57:18	alanz_	wz1000, what are you doing it for?
2020-05-08 02:57:25	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-lsp/commit/f6403bfecbefc3d3744f6af2d31e8a202cc9a364
2020-05-08 02:57:38	wz1000	^ rate my TH mpickering 
2020-05-08 02:58:18	wz1000	I swear if this is anywhere close to how its supposed to be done, I'd rather not use any
2020-05-08 02:58:22	alanz_	that looks like a reasonable thing to do
2020-05-08 02:58:30	alanz_	its better in lisp :)
2020-05-08 03:01:38	wz1000	yes, thats why all haskellers who write TH should be forever banished to the land of lisp
2020-05-08 03:01:50	wz1000	guess I'm one of them now
2020-05-08 03:03:11	jneira	you can stop at hackett
2020-05-08 03:03:51	alanz_	:)
2020-05-08 03:04:20	alanz_	we will all end up back at lisp, eventually. In a hundred years or so
2020-05-08 03:19:12	wz1000	glad I won't be alive to see it
2020-05-08 03:25:54	alanz_	we will have to invent some life-extension stuff just for you. And wedge your eyes open, so you have to see it
2020-05-08 03:27:24	alanz_	gh issue rendering of hie hover markdown https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/WobxqcV6/image.png
2020-05-08 03:27:53	alanz_	there are no bullets rendered in vscode or emacs for those.
2020-05-08 03:28:05	EncodePanda	mpickering do you want feedback on https://mpickering.github.io/ide/posts/2020-05-08-state-of-haskell-ide.html
2020-05-08 03:28:25	alanz_	If we change the markdown to leave out the bullet markers, it looks much better.
2020-05-08 03:28:28	EncodePanda	probably too late since you want to publish tomorrow :)
2020-05-08 03:29:25	alanz_	EncodePanda, leave it anyway, he has a bouncer, bound to look here before publishing in the morning
2020-05-08 03:29:35	EncodePanda	ok
2020-05-08 03:29:54	alanz_	or mail him, you must have his email address from bristol
2020-05-08 03:30:14	EncodePanda	I was able to follow along the article because i had some initial understanding of those components, where they are coming from. For someone who will read this article but have not seen any of the mentioned project before, will have troubles getting the initial context.
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2020-05-08 03:31:31	EncodePanda	I would add in the intro that "there were two existing projects: ghcide and hie. ghcide used that and that tool underneath, hie used this and that underneath. here is description of what each of that tool is responsible for and how they relate to each other"
2020-05-08 03:32:42	EncodePanda	TLDR: descriptions are very informative but without the initial context it's hard to grasp the bigger picture
2020-05-08 03:32:50	alanz_	EncodePanda, I think it is aimed at other devs in the ecosystem, rather than an introductory architecture post
2020-05-08 03:33:17	alanz_	but that additional intro does make sense
2020-05-08 03:33:26	EncodePanda	in that case all good, but for other devs this information is already known right?
2020-05-08 03:34:02	alanz_	well, there are devs and devs. I guess.
2020-05-08 03:34:17	EncodePanda	i guess i missed the target :)  im wearing my "i want to contribute to haskell-languge-server" hat
2020-05-08 03:34:44	EncodePanda	"i want to contribute to haskell-languge-server but i know nothing of it" hat
2020-05-08 03:35:39	alanz_	yes, that *is* quite a rare one.
2020-05-08 03:36:01	alanz_	And as such your comments on that doc are good. We forget the beginners perspective too easily
2020-05-08 03:37:43	EncodePanda	blog posts are good but maybe it will be worth eventually host some docs on github pages (docs), then learning newb can PR with a missing chapter
2020-05-08 03:37:57	EncodePanda	just a thought, but that how you scale the community i think
2020-05-08 03:47:32	alanz_	EncodePanda, agree 100%
2020-05-08 03:47:39	alanz_	this is just a start
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2020-05-08 05:42:14	alanz_	And I have hover presentation that is a bit more to my liking. Still can be improved, but a start. See https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/99
2020-05-08 05:43:02	alanz_	except the HR makes the emacs rendering look awful, uses the whole window width
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2020-05-08 11:09:29	wz1000	TH isn't quite as terrible as I thought: https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-lsp/commit/8e91bdb8fb246c3de4dd1339a76dd5cdaddbb79c#diff-bf9fc3154a89beff1c353a7fc8a715bdR32
2020-05-08 11:10:56	wz1000	turns out I was the problem
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2020-05-08 12:29:37	mpickering	wz1000: Yeah that's better
2020-05-08 12:29:42	mpickering	I was going to suggest using a quote
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2020-05-08 14:02:07	mpickering	I am a bit concerned that "The state of Haskell IDE" is a big ungrammatrical
2020-05-08 14:02:33	mpickering	*ungrammatical
2020-05-08 14:02:39	mpickering	Can someone comment?
2020-05-08 14:08:23	wz1000	make it plural?
2020-05-08 14:09:27	mpickering	Good idea
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2020-05-08 14:38:34	mpickering	fendor: I am pretty sure you will have to change ghcide
2020-05-08 14:38:45	mpickering	as they won't have the correct include paths for cabal projects anymore
2020-05-08 14:39:39	fendor	mpickering, probably, but their cabal build fails, so I am using their CI for debugging the build
2020-05-08 14:40:18	fendor	mpickering, your latest ghcide fork is hls, right?
2020-05-08 14:41:56	mpickering	Yes, always use hls
2020-05-08 14:41:59	mpickering	that is the stable one
2020-05-08 14:42:10	mpickering	and I am only merging changes into that if I believe they are stable
2020-05-08 14:42:17	fendor	great, making a pr for it, too
2020-05-08 14:42:54	mpickering	You are going to do a proper release right?
2020-05-08 14:42:58	mpickering	there is currently no CI on the branch
2020-05-08 14:43:06	mpickering	it would be good to set up a simple GH action which at least built the project
2020-05-08 14:44:42	fendor	of course! just using the CI of every big player here to catch problems
2020-05-08 14:44:56	fendor	although I think every windows CI is down
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2020-05-08 14:55:07	fendor	created prs for every big player I know of, I am going to play some tennis, then making the release if everything worked out
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2020-05-08 16:10:00	alanz_	fendor, ping
2020-05-08 16:22:12	alanz_	mpickering, I accepted the opencollective invite. Will watch with interest, I think you will make this worl
2020-05-08 16:22:15	alanz_	work
2020-05-08 16:22:32	mpickering	I got a strange email about that, thanks for accepting
2020-05-08 16:22:40	mpickering	I assume you saw Neil was up for it as well
2020-05-08 16:23:19	mpickering	Can you comment on my question about currency perhaps?
2020-05-08 16:23:19	alanz_	yes
2020-05-08 16:23:30	alanz_	I agree on switching to euro
2020-05-08 16:23:52	alanz_	except maybe the donations will be more from other areas?
2020-05-08 16:24:01	alanz_	where USD is more "normal"?
2020-05-08 16:24:12	mpickering	The majority of projects are operating in dollars
2020-05-08 16:24:40	mpickering	https://opencollective.com/hosts
2020-05-08 16:25:03	alanz_	for this kind of thing being in the "norm" is useful, I think
2020-05-08 16:25:21	mpickering	but for whatever reason we have close to zero US contributors
2020-05-08 16:25:25	alanz_	doesnt break existing expectations of people coming in to it
2020-05-08 16:25:50	alanz_	well, there are two flows we care about, money in, and money out.
2020-05-08 16:26:05	alanz_	the first one is the most important, without it the second cant exist
2020-05-08 16:26:11	alanz_	so we have to optimise for that
2020-05-08 16:26:19	alanz_	in my opinion
2020-05-08 16:26:35	mpickering	yeah I agree
2020-05-08 16:26:46	mpickering	Perhaps people in the US have more money but less time :) 
2020-05-08 16:26:57	alanz_	exactly. So we can balance things
2020-05-08 16:26:59	mpickering	NixOS is accepting euros but the main governence is based in europe
2020-05-08 16:27:26	alanz_	ok. Its probably not that important, so long as it is set once and just stays
2020-05-08 16:27:51	mpickering	yeah changing later is quite annoying as you have to zero the balance
2020-05-08 16:28:17	alanz_	so flip a coin/make a decision, and we go with it
2020-05-08 16:28:31	mpickering	inertia has it that we go with dollars as that is what I already set up
2020-05-08 16:28:42	mpickering	and it could take 2/3 days to change to euros 
2020-05-08 16:29:00	alanz_	I think it is the 51% better option
2020-05-08 16:30:13	alanz_	mpickering, did you see the comments from EncodePanda on the post?
2020-05-08 16:30:28	alanz_	main one being to add a bit more context to the top
2020-05-08 16:30:46	mpickering	ok, lukelau ^
2020-05-08 16:30:56	alanz_	EncodePanda: I would add in the intro that "there were two existing projects: ghcide and hie. ghcide used that and that tool underneath, hie used this and that underneath. here is description of what each of that tool is responsible for and how they relate to each other"
2020-05-08 16:33:07	alanz_	mpickering, I have a branch of hls building off wz1000 ghcide fork at https://github.com/alanz/ghcide/commit/4479ff15306c906b8e45ac99f3a55c70345e13b4
2020-05-08 16:33:23	mpickering	ok
2020-05-08 16:33:33	mpickering	I want to test that change later today and then merge if it works for me
2020-05-08 16:33:56	alanz_	which I am considering cleaning up a bit for the hover presentation, via https://github.com/alanz/ghcide/commit/3e3a9fb0657ab77efc84c6ef9b2440d595c34aed
2020-05-08 16:34:18	mpickering	Sounds good. Make a PR and I will test it
2020-05-08 16:34:23	alanz_	I got the hover looking better (from my perspective)
2020-05-08 16:34:37	alanz_	I have an HLS PR
2020-05-08 16:34:40	mpickering	alanz_: lukelau  has access to push directly to the site anyway so in future weeks the posts don't need to be blocked on me
2020-05-08 16:34:53	alanz_	but the ghcide changes are quick hacks, need to be cleaned up
2020-05-08 16:35:02	alanz_	ok
2020-05-08 16:35:10	mpickering	I want to hear what Neil says about the open collective and I have made another tab which talks about the funding
2020-05-08 16:35:26	mpickering	and also I will add a paragraph to the bottom of the post advertising it if Neil responds promptly
2020-05-08 16:35:34	alanz_	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/99
2020-05-08 16:35:43	alanz_	ok
2020-05-08 16:35:54	mpickering	For anyone else who is interested -https://opencollective.com/haskell-language-server/
2020-05-08 16:36:19	alanz_	once it gets a little bit stable we can add it to the README
2020-05-08 16:36:23	mpickering	alanz_: IMO, can we please try to push all changes you want in hls through the mpickering/hls branch first
2020-05-08 16:36:37	mpickering	So that we have some idea of stability
2020-05-08 16:36:37	alanz_	and it just struck me that github has some sort of sponsorship programme too
2020-05-08 16:37:07	alanz_	mpickering, that is why I am talking to you about it, wrt wz1000 changes, and about mine.
2020-05-08 16:37:30	alanz_	I finished rough hacking last night late, getting presentation right. Now it needs cleanup
2020-05-08 16:37:38	alanz_	and going through the right process
2020-05-08 16:37:54	mpickering	github sponsorship you need to manage your own bank account I think
2020-05-08 16:38:36	alanz_	I have no idea, only know it exists
2020-05-08 16:38:49	alanz_	I wonder if we could hook it to opencollective
2020-05-08 16:39:05	mpickering	It is also still in closed beta
2020-05-08 16:39:07	alanz_	or, tie it to the haskell.org bank
2020-05-08 16:39:15	alanz_	it is a very wide beta
2020-05-08 16:39:24	alanz_	perhaps mail haskell committee
2020-05-08 16:39:45	alanz_	I see lots of projects with a "sponsor me" badge on them, for GH
2020-05-08 16:39:58	mpickering	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/fL0bPwW4/2020-05-08-120941_1178x823_scrot.png
2020-05-08 16:40:15	mpickering	The second contribute link on this page will show the current contributors when there actually are any
2020-05-08 16:40:45	alanz_	nice
2020-05-08 16:41:01	alanz_	patreon might be an option too, now I think of it
2020-05-08 16:41:16	wz1000	it looks like dhall gets most of their funds from a single company
2020-05-08 16:42:05	alanz_	github sponsors generally available https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/C2eUXxSJ/image.png
2020-05-08 16:42:30	mpickering	Got individuals
2020-05-08 16:42:45	mpickering	*For
2020-05-08 16:42:57	alanz_	you generally get a power law in contributions. Top donor >50%, second >20, then fall off into a long tail
2020-05-08 16:43:11	alanz_	and customers for businesses
2020-05-08 16:44:02	Heffalump	what do you want money for, OOI? Pay for work or for infrastructure?
2020-05-08 16:44:37	mpickering	Heffalump: The main idea is to pay for work
2020-05-08 16:45:12	alanz_	mpickering, just mailed committee, cc you and neil
2020-05-08 16:45:16	mpickering	I am also interested to see if any of the people who claim they would pay money actually will 😆
2020-05-08 16:45:50	Heffalump	I'd be happy to chip something in but paying for software developers' time is quite expensive :-/
2020-05-08 16:46:00	alanz_	I am personally worried about what it may do to the ecosystem. But possibly a nett positivie, if it is seen to be taken seriously and funded seriousle
2020-05-08 16:46:23	mpickering	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OlFQ8FHz/2020-05-08-121602_733x128_scrot.png
2020-05-08 16:46:30	alanz_	Heffalump, so contribute hours instead.  Using whatever skills you have
2020-05-08 16:46:37	mpickering	Heffalump: Yes if you pay at tweag or WT contractor rates
2020-05-08 16:47:01	mpickering	But there are many capable developers who are not expecting such rates 
2020-05-08 16:47:22	Heffalump	alanz_: yeah, I do that for open source too but what I do varies fairly randomly
2020-05-08 16:47:39	alanz_	mpickering, in my experience those sort of waitlists move fast. And better to be on it than off
2020-05-08 16:47:52	Heffalump	mpickering: good point (though it's still not cheap to pay someone enough to live on)
2020-05-08 16:48:09	mpickering	Well I can say, I don't want to manage it through github sponsors 
2020-05-08 16:48:16	alanz_	Heffalump, using the software and reporting bugs is valuable, as is tutorials, war stories, docs, curating issues
2020-05-08 16:48:21	mpickering	as I don't want to manage the accounting required for a bank account
2020-05-08 16:48:22	fendor	alanz_, pong
2020-05-08 16:48:33	wz1000	I don't think anyone is expecting to make a living off this yet
2020-05-08 16:48:40	Heffalump	alanz_: sure, spending money won't stop me doing any of those things too :-)
2020-05-08 16:48:51	alanz_	fendor, the bump for hie-bios 5.0. Is that to check it works before releasinghie-bios?
2020-05-08 16:49:05	alanz_	or should we just releast it then use the one from hackage?
2020-05-08 16:49:38	alanz_	Heffalump, my point is that rather than contributing cash to pay people, contributing time can be more effective
2020-05-08 16:50:03	alanz_	and I am still in two minds as to whether having money in a volunteer context is a good idea at all, tbh.
2020-05-08 16:50:06	mpickering	Heffalump: Being paid $500 dollars for a patch would still be a significant amount of money to me and probably every student
2020-05-08 16:50:10	alanz_	But good to do the experiment
2020-05-08 16:51:09	fendor	alanz_, just to use the ci for detecting problems
2020-05-08 16:52:28	alanz_	thats what I figured. I merged it anyway though, earlier feedback is better
2020-05-08 16:52:38	alanz_	we run so much stuff against commits anyway
2020-05-08 16:52:40	fendor	oh, haha, ok 
2020-05-08 16:53:08	lukelau	mpickering alanz_ so the opencollective is a go?
2020-05-08 16:53:22	fendor	important is the hie patch, I think it is the only CI that also covers windows
2020-05-08 16:54:01	mpickering	lukelau: Yes it is
2020-05-08 16:54:16	mpickering	Neil said he would do the funding decisions with me, which is enough to pull the trigger imo
2020-05-08 16:54:41	lukelau	awesome. i hope this enough to keep the momenting going long after summer
2020-05-08 16:54:47	mpickering	So can you edit your post to discuss this? There is also a draft page called "funding" on a branch
2020-05-08 16:55:20	lukelau	sure, will take a look at your draft
2020-05-08 16:55:28	lukelau	whats the gist that we are getting across here?
2020-05-08 16:55:29	alanz_	any emacs users here? I can recommend https://lobste.rs/s/fuo8ff/org_roam_roam_replica_built_on_top_org_mode
2020-05-08 16:55:30	Heffalump	alanz_: we're not disagreeing. I'm just saying that for me it isn't either/or :-)
2020-05-08 16:55:56	mpickering	lukelau: That is you want to contribute financially then you can
2020-05-08 16:55:59	alanz_	both/and?
2020-05-08 16:56:05	alanz_	:)
2020-05-08 16:56:12	alanz_	for me it is time
2020-05-08 16:56:40	alanz_	and *not* accepting money, so I can feel in control of my personal committments, to my *leisure* time
2020-05-08 16:56:54	alanz_	but I am privileged to be able to do that
2020-05-08 16:57:09	Heffalump	alanz_: right, I certainly wouldn't take money for open source work myself, because I have a well paid full-time job and also want control of my leisure time.
2020-05-08 16:57:26	alanz_	:+1:
2020-05-08 16:57:53	mpickering	Yes I can see this perspective but I come from the other perspective of not having a well-paid full-time job
2020-05-08 16:58:00	wz1000	I think paying out after the work is done helps with this
2020-05-08 16:58:00	Heffalump	but I'd be very happy to be able to do something effective to fund someone else that did want to do it, if it didn't have any other negative effects
2020-05-08 16:58:38	alanz_	I think we have to cover the range of situations for people. in a way that is seen as fair and unbiased
2020-05-08 16:59:38	lukelau	just looking at the opencollective page, does it mention what bounties/projects we want to fund?
2020-05-08 17:00:12	mpickering	lukelau: Well we don't know that really yet, I suggest one possible thing to fund
2020-05-08 17:01:09	alanz_	Maybe we should make a call to companies to list their must-have things, and pay bounties for those
2020-05-08 17:01:29	lukelau	alanz_: :+1:
2020-05-08 17:01:32	mpickering	If a company wants something they should contract someone to do it
2020-05-08 17:01:44	mpickering	I feel like it should be things which benefit the community more
2020-05-08 17:01:56	alanz_	yes, but maybe they dont know how to go about doing that.
2020-05-08 17:02:00	Heffalump	mpickering: that doesn't address shared needs so well though, if it's not worth it to them to fund it alone
2020-05-08 17:02:03	lukelau	is this taxable by the way?
2020-05-08 17:02:19	alanz_	And that is the class of things I mean. It must be open, for the community
2020-05-08 17:02:20	lukelau	i just noticed you donated 10$ mpickering, but todays balance is 8.31$
2020-05-08 17:02:36	alanz_	they take a cut, the payment processor takes a cut
2020-05-08 17:02:36	mpickering	The fiscal host takes a certain cut
2020-05-08 17:02:53	alanz_	neither of those is a charity. which makes sense, there are costs to these things
2020-05-08 17:03:05	Heffalump	that's a pretty big cut :-/ or is it a fixed cost that would be lower proportionately for a larger donation?
2020-05-08 17:03:23	lukelau	alanz_: it says that the financial host is a 501(c)? is that not a nonprofit?
2020-05-08 17:03:35	Heffalump	it's also a shame it's hard to give money tax-deductibly to open source projects outside the US
2020-05-08 17:03:43	alanz_	non-profit means cover costs.
2020-05-08 17:03:47	lukelau	i presume there is some fee though for the website etc
2020-05-08 17:03:51	alanz_	there *are* costs
2020-05-08 17:04:04	alanz_	hosting, bandwidth, devs, ....
2020-05-08 17:04:31	lukelau	makes sense
2020-05-08 17:05:28	Heffalump	fees are apparently 5% + stripe fees. So 16.9% still feels quite high.
2020-05-08 17:05:49	mpickering	"Fee are 10% of incoming funds, plus payment processor fees. These cover our operating costs and support our initiatives to strengthen the open source ecosystem."
2020-05-08 17:06:02	Heffalump	I was reading https://opencollective.com/pricing
2020-05-08 17:06:22	mpickering	That is if you have your own bank account I think
2020-05-08 17:06:38	mpickering	https://docs.opencollective.com/help/fiscal-hosts/fiscal-hosts
2020-05-08 17:06:38	Heffalump	oh, I missed the tabs above
2020-05-08 17:06:40	Heffalump	yeah
2020-05-08 17:06:58	lukelau	alanz_: i was trying to setup haskell-mode with hls last night but it seems to keep on launching hie instead
2020-05-08 17:07:11	lukelau	I’ve set lsp-haskell-process-path-hie to “haskell-language-server”
2020-05-08 17:07:23	alanz_	wz1000, will you make a PR on mpickering/ghcide/hls for your commits up to https://github.com/alanz/ghcide/commit/4479ff15306c906b8e45ac99f3a55c70345e13b4?
2020-05-08 17:07:49	alanz_	lukelau, there is a funny interaction with defaults, user settings, and workspace settings
2020-05-08 17:07:51	mpickering	Heffalump: I agree it feels quite high but like I said, I don't want to have to incorporate and spend all my take accounting for $5 payments
2020-05-08 17:08:09	alanz_	lukelau, in emacs?
2020-05-08 17:08:21	Heffalump	mpickering: yeah, there may well be no reasonable alternative. I was just a bit surprised.
2020-05-08 17:08:32	lukelau	alanz_: yeah, hold on let me get the *lsp-log*
2020-05-08 17:08:36	wz1000	alanz_: I already have one: https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/pull/22
2020-05-08 17:08:54	mpickering	I am going to test it this afternoon/evening
2020-05-08 17:09:02	alanz_	I use it all the time. Switch backend, save for current session, lsp-workspace-restart
2020-05-08 17:09:05	lukelau	Command "haskell-language-server --lsp" is present on the path.
2020-05-08 17:09:05	mpickering	but have been concentrating on getting the other stuff set u
2020-05-08 17:09:05	lukelau	Found the following clients for /Users/luke/Source/haskell-language-server/src/Ide/Plugin/Config.hs: (server-id hie, priority 0)
2020-05-08 17:09:06	lukelau	The following clients were selected based on priority: (server-id hie, priority 0)
2020-05-08 17:09:21	mpickering	lukelau: When will you get the site updates done by?
2020-05-08 17:09:24	lukelau	woops sorry for the spam, meant to send a link to a gist
2020-05-08 17:09:26	 *	mpickering leaves
2020-05-08 17:09:27	alanz_	wz1000, thanks, should have looked, I guess. Will build from it and make a PR
2020-05-08 17:09:57	lukelau	mpickering: in 10 mins? how much of a mention do you want this opencollective thing to have
2020-05-08 17:10:01	alanz_	lukelau, the latest lsp-mode has a selector for it? are you up to date?
2020-05-08 17:10:05	lukelau	i might not be
2020-05-08 17:10:29	alanz_	I use package-list-packages daily, and update :)
2020-05-08 17:10:29	mpickering	lukelau: We could do it as a separate post?
2020-05-08 17:10:30	mpickering	up to you
2020-05-08 17:10:47	mpickering	I want to get the funding link up at the same time we publicise the post though
2020-05-08 17:11:11	lukelau	I’ll leave a quick mention of it and then we can talk about it more in another post etc.
2020-05-08 17:11:43	alanz_	lukelau, I think I am going to add a "showMessage" on startup to show what backend, version and root. For hls and hie
2020-05-08 17:11:54	alanz_	we have it in erlang_ls, I find it very useful
2020-05-08 17:12:07	wz1000	I know two companies that might be interested in funding, I can contact them also
2020-05-08 17:12:25	lukelau	alanz_: does lsp-mode not already do that though
2020-05-08 17:12:38	lukelau	at least in my status bar it seems to say somethiing about “hie:12312” has launched
2020-05-08 17:12:50	alanz_	that is just the local process id
2020-05-08 17:12:55	alanz_	and anything shows up as hie
2020-05-08 17:12:58	lukelau	ohhh
2020-05-08 17:13:03	lukelau	i thought hie was the process
2020-05-08 17:13:45	lukelau	maybe we can make a patch to lsp-mode to show the actual resolved executable too
2020-05-08 17:13:56	alanz_	technically we can show the version back in InitialiseResult.ServerInfo
2020-05-08 17:14:32	alanz_	lukelau, I want a client-agnostic solution. so a) update InitialiseResult, b) send a showmessage
2020-05-08 17:15:10	lukelau	alanz_: oh i didnt realise that field existed. looks like its new in 3.15, we should definitely use that then
2020-05-08 17:17:41	alanz_	I get this in *Messages* for erlang_ls too: LSP :: Erlang LS (in foo), version: 0.3.0+build.1074.refccb4e40
2020-05-08 17:18:10	alanz_	server, root directory last part, version as reported by equivalent of "hie --version"
2020-05-08 17:20:04	alanz_	same in vscode. Different server version though https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/CiZi4sT9/image.png
2020-05-08 17:21:05	lukelau	root directory is useful information too. can solve a lot of issues relating to cradles
2020-05-08 17:21:10	alanz_	exactly
2020-05-08 17:21:24	alanz_	and we just give the last component, for simplicity.
2020-05-08 17:22:06	alanz_	but there is a code lens option too, to give fuller info: https://github.com/erlang-ls/erlang_ls/issues/601
2020-05-08 17:25:37	alanz_	hmm, that haddock live possibility hits that upstream parsing issue. Damn.  
2020-05-08 17:26:00	lukelau	mpickering: sorry for taking a while, being careful with my choice of words here
2020-05-08 17:26:04	alanz_	the keeprawtokenstream is needed for refactoring stuff too. 
2020-05-08 17:27:22	 *	alanz_ away for a bit
2020-05-08 17:40:13	lukelau	mpickering: deployed
2020-05-08 17:47:31	mpardalos	I'm trying to test ghcide using stack. Library and executable build fine but the test suite won't build
2020-05-08 17:47:48	 *	mpardalos posted a file: error.txt (2KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/iIhrEYVETByPFKcGziUgfcdj >
2020-05-08 17:47:56	mpardalos	Here's the error I'm getting
2020-05-08 17:49:31	mpardalos	The only change I've made from what's on github is that I've added opentelemetry-0.3.2 to stack.yaml to get it to compile
2020-05-08 17:51:07	lukelau	it doesn’t build for me either mpardalos haha
2020-05-08 17:51:26	mpardalos	ah ok good to know I'm not alone
2020-05-08 17:51:36	mpardalos	Are you using stack or cabal?
2020-05-08 17:51:40	lukelau	cabal, ghc-8.8.3
2020-05-08 17:52:13	mpardalos	can you check if you're getting the same error as me?
2020-05-08 17:52:34	lukelau	yeah its the same error
2020-05-08 17:52:48	lukelau	did something change in lsp-test maybe?
2020-05-08 17:53:06	lukelau	what branch are you on
2020-05-08 17:53:16	mpardalos	hls
2020-05-08 17:53:21	lukelau	same
2020-05-08 17:53:23	fendor	The error is in the hls CI as well
2020-05-08 17:53:28	fendor	hls/hls
2020-05-08 17:53:31	mpardalos	oh ok
2020-05-08 17:53:43	lukelau	i think someone just needs to stick a return in those expressions
2020-05-08 17:53:51	fendor	why is everything always named ambiguously :/
2020-05-08 17:54:09	fendor	tests in ghcide/hls just do not build
2020-05-08 17:54:30	fendor	If someone wants to tackle it, here is the issue: https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/issues/25
2020-05-08 17:54:30	lukelau	tests cant fail if they dont build
2020-05-08 17:55:03	lukelau	https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpixel.nymag.com%2Fimgs%2Fdaily%2Fselectall%2F2017%2F02%2F09%2F09-roll-safe.w700.h700.jpg&f=1&nofb=1
2020-05-08 17:56:33	fendor	one way to look at it
2020-05-08 17:56:45	fendor	not my favourite one, though :D 
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2020-05-08 18:01:23	mpardalos	I'm currently trying to get all the different stack.yaml's to build but I can have a look afterwards
2020-05-08 18:01:40	fendor	HIE Ci fails because hoogle has changed the output :/
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2020-05-08 18:22:38	mpickering	I would hope my branches are known for working.. but the test suite never building
2020-05-08 18:22:44	mpickering	big brain software development
2020-05-08 18:22:49	mpickering	only test on GHC
2020-05-08 18:23:25	fendor	good enough :) 
2020-05-08 18:25:09	mpickering	lukelau: Did you not deploy the funding page?
2020-05-08 18:25:31	lukelau	I didn’t write one if thats what you mean
2020-05-08 18:25:39	mpickering	there is branch with one on
2020-05-08 18:25:40	lukelau	I thought you said you had a draft?
2020-05-08 18:25:43	lukelau	oh
2020-05-08 18:25:45	mpickering	Yeah it's on a branch
2020-05-08 18:25:56	lukelau	want me to merge it into master?
2020-05-08 18:26:02	mpickering	yeah if you are happy
2020-05-08 18:26:04	mpickering	just wanted someone else to check it
2020-05-08 18:26:09	lukelau	cool will take a look
2020-05-08 18:29:31	lukelau	nice the local server links are working now
2020-05-08 18:31:13	mpardalos	Just opened a PR getting the build working with stack. opentelemetry was missing from extra-deps.
2020-05-08 18:31:36	mpardalos	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/pull/26
2020-05-08 18:32:18	lukelau	mpickering: Looked good, deployed
2020-05-08 18:34:15	fendor	mpardalos, already merged :D 
2020-05-08 18:34:32	mpardalos	thanks!
2020-05-08 19:01:40	mpickering	lukelau: So I will share the link when Neil oks the situation with open collective
2020-05-08 19:01:57	mpickering	everything else looks ok to me
2020-05-08 19:02:02	mpickering	thanks for your help
2020-05-08 19:10:07	fendor	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/hie-bios-0.5.0/candidate
2020-05-08 19:10:46	mpickering	thanks fendor 
2020-05-08 19:11:09	fendor	mpickering, :) I hope everything is correct. My second release incoming :)
2020-05-08 19:11:31	mpickering	If it's not we just do another one, I have made plenty of mistakes doing releases
2020-05-08 19:11:45	fendor	so far everything seems good
2020-05-08 19:11:55	fendor	testing haddock before doing the final release
2020-05-08 19:12:02	mpickering	is the lockdown relaxed now in austria?
2020-05-08 19:12:38	fendor	yeah, we can go do some sports, such as tennis and other stuff that has no direct body contact
2020-05-08 19:13:31	fendor	and the restaurants open in about 12 days
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2020-05-08 19:16:53	fendor	released https://hackage.haskell.org/package/hie-bios
2020-05-08 19:17:08	fendor	will update my PRs to hie/hls/ghcide in about twenty minutes
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2020-05-08 19:25:55	lukelau	fendor: woo
2020-05-08 19:27:21	mpickering	I have been getting down over the lockdown in the last few days because it's very uncertain again
2020-05-08 19:27:32	mpickering	Wales and Scotland say they are going to extend it
2020-05-08 19:27:42	mpickering	England seems to be indicating they will relax it
2020-05-08 19:27:56	mpickering	and I haven't seen my partner since it started and she had an operation yesterday so feel a bit isolated from it all
2020-05-08 19:28:34	fendor	understandable. Are you not allowed to visit your partner?
2020-05-08 19:29:39	mpickering	No, she doesn't live in the same city as me even
2020-05-08 19:30:57	lukelau	mpickering: im sorry to hear, hope shes keeping well
2020-05-08 19:33:22	fendor	yeah wishing a good recovery! 
2020-05-08 19:33:58	mpickering	thanks guys
2020-05-08 19:34:55	lukelau	i feel your pain, my partner is in france at the moment
2020-05-08 19:35:09	lukelau	hope youre still able to keep in touch with zoom or hangouts or what have you
2020-05-08 19:47:41	mpickering	yeah, we are doing our best but I've resorted to try and explain this how IDE 2020 project to her which is probably just confusing 
2020-05-08 19:48:11	mpickering	but when nothing happens in your life you end up talking about corona the whole time otherwise
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2020-05-08 19:54:52	fendor	absolutely. Or, like my grandmother and I do, about the weather and when you have to mow the lawn again
2020-05-08 20:02:13	lukelau	i usually sound like a crazy person when i try to explain what a language server is. and why we have three of them
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2020-05-08 20:03:14	lukelau	sounds weird but i miss the news having storys that arent about coronavirus
2020-05-08 20:03:22	lukelau	*stories
2020-05-08 20:03:59	mpickering	I met Tamsin through orienteering and she knows nothing about how software is developed and we never talked about it before corona lol
2020-05-08 20:04:24	mpickering	I think the way open source works is actually quite strange for most people to think about
2020-05-08 20:05:06	mpickering	fendor: I think this may be because we pass `--disable-library-documentation` to cabal
2020-05-08 20:05:24	mpickering	can you look in cabal's code base to find out when this macros is written though?
2020-05-08 20:06:01	mpickering	The reason for calling --disable-library-documentation was because haddock outputs stuff on stdout which broke the old wrapper scripts
2020-05-08 20:06:07	mpickering	but perhaps it works now
2020-05-08 20:14:36	sm[m]	hey all. Thanks for your work. I watched Jonathan Blow's great Collapse of Civilization talk, in which he asserts everyone is adding unnecessary complexity by building LSP servers, when instead we should just calling an API synchronously. Any thoughts ?
2020-05-08 20:14:41	sm[m]	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW-SOdj4Kkk
2020-05-08 20:15:23	wz1000	I don't know of any other way to talk to a million editors without writing plugins for all of them
2020-05-08 20:15:44	wz1000	if jonathan blow has a solution otherwise, he can let me know
2020-05-08 20:17:11	wz1000	here's something to keep your mind off things mpickering https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/244
2020-05-08 20:18:49	sm[m]	I don't have a link for that section, sorry, will add if I find it. 
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2020-05-08 20:19:40	sm[m]	wz1000: you have to write plugins for all of them now, right ?
2020-05-08 20:19:50	wz1000	nope
2020-05-08 20:20:14	wz1000	there are lsp plugins for all of those
2020-05-08 20:20:22	sm[m]	I think he's saying, why does it have to be a separate process, creating a microservices architecture, and that if you do it for this, why wouldn't you start adding more services for other things
2020-05-08 20:21:01	sm[m]	yes, those lsp plugins had to be writen
2020-05-08 20:21:41	sm[m]	you'll say, ah but they work for all languages. I guess the idea is that you should be able to write synchronous apis/shims with similar effort
2020-05-08 20:21:53	wz1000	it's one plugin per editor thats shared by every language server
2020-05-08 20:22:11	wz1000	it turns an n*m problem into an n+m problem
2020-05-08 20:22:30	wz1000	anyway, you can use ghcide as a library
2020-05-08 20:22:50	wz1000	so if LSP is not your thing, go for it
2020-05-08 20:24:49	sm[m]	I guess it's also an n+m problem if you have a sufficiently general library API mechanism - ie one you can link with/call synchronously from your editor
2020-05-08 20:25:06	sm[m]	anyway it's a great talk, if anyone understands his idea better please enlighten us
2020-05-08 20:26:02	wz1000	we have lsp which is good enough for many things today
2020-05-08 20:26:24	wz1000	as opposed to some hypothetical sufficiently general library API mechanism
2020-05-08 20:28:34	sm[m]	they needn't be in opposition.. short and long term solutions are both worth thinking about
2020-05-08 20:30:33	wz1000	they aren't. this whole hie/ghcide effort is leading to improvements that cut across the ecosystem and are not specific to lsp
2020-05-08 20:31:04	wz1000	LSP is just the top layer of many which are being worked on
2020-05-08 20:32:28	wz1000	with a little effort I'm pretty sure its possible to build a non-lsp plugin for any editor using hiedb, hie-bios and a bunch of bash scripts
2020-05-08 20:37:40	sm[m]	one argument for the microservice approach: in exchange for more runtime/operational complexity, we reduce build and packaging complexity. Because linking each editor with ghcide and every other language's ide helpers is not something we can realistically manage today.
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2020-05-08 20:43:17	sm[m]	I feel a bit clearer. Thanks!
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2020-05-08 20:47:07	fendor	mpickering, the hie ci failure? no I think that is because hoogle changed something. 
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2020-05-08 20:47:32	mpickering	I am talking about the issues with cabal-macrod
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2020-05-08 20:47:35	fendor	or you mean mean https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/issues/177
2020-05-08 20:47:38	fendor	ah, ok
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2020-05-08 20:48:24	fendor	why would this cause cabal_macros.h to be overwritten?
2020-05-08 20:48:31	mpickering	well I don't know
2020-05-08 20:48:36	mpickering	read the source code 
2020-05-08 20:48:40	mpickering	but it's to do with haddock right?
2020-05-08 20:49:50	alanz_	sm[m], I think it is about clear APIs and layering. Then if the calls happen via a wire or via RPC or a native call it is not a big deal
2020-05-08 20:49:54	fendor	source of what exactly, cabal?
2020-05-08 20:50:03	fendor	or is that in ghc
2020-05-08 20:50:04	alanz_	and loosely coupled things mean combinations of things are more likely to work
2020-05-08 20:50:41	alanz_	i.e. each thing can concentrate on its own problems, without accidental complexity from other component dependencies etc
2020-05-08 20:50:52	mpickering	I imagine it's a cabal thing
2020-05-08 20:51:00	mpickering	but it could be generated by ghc
2020-05-08 20:51:17	fendor	Ill try to reproduce with cabal-3.2. Maybe it is just a bug
2020-05-08 20:52:33	alanz_	wz1000, I am sure we had a strongly typed message tie-up in a very early version of hie. Byt cocreature iirc.
2020-05-08 20:52:45	ethercrow[m]	I thought Jon Blow's thing about LSPs was that they could be implemented closed to how OpenGL works
2020-05-08 20:53:02	alanz_	it got lost in a refactor, if I recall, and was quite hard to understand
2020-05-08 20:53:03	ethercrow[m]	application is written against some standard "GL.h"
2020-05-08 20:53:22	 *	alanz_ disclaimer: I have not seen the video
2020-05-08 20:53:33	ethercrow[m]	and then some GL.so is chosen at runtime
2020-05-08 20:53:56	alanz_	ethercrow[m], so APIs and layering. Just different delivery mechanics?
2020-05-08 20:54:11	jneira	it seems very similar to lsp to me too
2020-05-08 20:55:04	sm[m]	alanz_: thanks for that. And when asynchronous services are used, I guess one way to manage their complexity is the erlang style
2020-05-08 20:55:24	fendor	alanz_, hls did not receive the update of hie-bios 0.5.0, mainly because of your ghcide fork that we are using. 
2020-05-08 20:55:46	alanz_	yes. message passing actors. Which is the model I used for the original hie, if you squint at it carefully
2020-05-08 20:56:00	alanz_	fendor, ok. 
2020-05-08 20:56:29	wz1000	alanz_: that was not LSP i'm pretty sure
2020-05-08 20:56:34	sm[m]	tight coupling if you can afford it, loose coupling when you can't
2020-05-08 20:56:46	alanz_	There is a surprising amount of housekeeping just keeping things lines up and up to date. To be expected with fast-moving projects though.
2020-05-08 20:56:54	wz1000	and I think this is pretty readable, even compared to the status quo
2020-05-08 20:57:08	alanz_	wz1000, I am still looking at it.
2020-05-08 20:58:50	alanz_	wz1000, conceptually I think this is a good approach
2020-05-08 21:02:12	alanz_	sm[m], for the erlang language server we are looking at a client talking to a language server talking to a build/project server. Getting crazy :)
2020-05-08 21:04:58	sm[m]	alanz_: you are actually working on an erlang language server ?
2020-05-08 21:06:18	alanz_	sm[m], yes, it is now related to my day job
2020-05-08 21:06:34	alanz_	and I am really enjoying the cross-pollination between the two
2020-05-08 21:06:48	sm[m]	very cool !
2020-05-08 21:07:13	sm[m]	we need more erlang in our haskell
2020-05-08 21:07:16	alanz_	and it is mind-stretching to work in other languages too.
2020-05-08 21:07:33	alanz_	My current working set is haskell, erlang, elisp, typescript
2020-05-08 21:08:12	sm[m]	I like it. How about a bit of smalltalk at the weekend :)
2020-05-08 21:09:00	alanz_	ah yes, forgot about that.  I have an idea we can use Moose tools to visualize/query code. So playing with that too.  Its built in pharo smalltalk
2020-05-08 21:09:33	alanz_	want to build something to spit out a famix model. Figure I cam maybe entice wz1000 or mpickering when I have enough context
2020-05-08 21:10:10	alanz_	https://rmod.inria.fr/archives/reports/Duca11c-Cutter-deliverable22-MSE-FAMIX30.pdf
2020-05-08 21:10:20	alanz_	https://fuhrmanator.github.io/2019/07/29/AnalyzingJavaWithMoose.html
2020-05-08 21:10:38	alanz_	(sorry, you asked)
2020-05-08 21:11:18	sm[m]	love it!
2020-05-08 21:12:10	alanz_	And I see vscode 1.45 has support for binary editors, and I start thinking about the eclipse jdt? tools, to make visual uis
2020-05-08 21:12:10	sm[m]	after haskell, I wonder how it was possible to build anything robust with smalltalk.. but those folks can be amazingly productive
2020-05-08 21:12:56	alanz_	I have been following Tudor Girba on twitter, and the stuff he is doing around software legibility is amazing. 
2020-05-08 21:13:10	alanz_	and the glamorous toolkit stuff. All in smalltalk.
2020-05-08 21:13:55	alanz_	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDHrtYGbUQ8
2020-05-08 21:14:58	sm[m]	I'll check that out. I spent some years in the squeak community. I guess smalltalk isn't going away
2020-05-08 21:16:37	alanz_	I think they have some good stuff going. And the concept of working inside an environment, where you can stop and inspect anything, change code is a different way of working
2020-05-08 21:16:42	alanz_	like ghci on steroids
2020-05-08 21:17:12	alanz_	And the modern version ties into git repos at the back, so you can have repeatable stuff, plus live image work
2020-05-08 21:17:31	alanz_	performace sucks though, in my experience
2020-05-08 21:18:27	 *	alanz_ time to take stock of hls again
2020-05-08 21:20:45	sm[m]	I used to fantasise about a mashup of smalltalk and haskell (and erlang)
2020-05-08 21:21:45	sm[m]	far offtopic, don't let me distract you
2020-05-08 21:23:22	alanz_	sm[m], sounds interesting. Not sure what it would look like. I have heard it said that erlang is the best version of the original object concept out there. Encapsulated state with message passing/
2020-05-08 21:23:33	alanz_	so it ties into the smalltalk ethos.
2020-05-08 21:23:46	mpickering	wz1000: I reviewed your PR
2020-05-08 21:24:09	alanz_	mpickering, what are your plans for the ghcide/hls branch? Do you want me to prepare a rebase PR on current da master?
2020-05-08 21:24:33	alanz_	or is it already happening somewhere?
2020-05-08 21:24:35	mpickering	I said in the issue I intend to rebase and force push to hls branch
2020-05-08 21:24:41	mpickering	but wanted to check with you if this was ok
2020-05-08 21:24:54	mpickering	because if we are not rebasing then upstreaming anything becomes way harder
2020-05-08 21:25:11	alanz_	mpickering, if you force push, please make a new branch at the pre-rebase point, and push that
2020-05-08 21:25:22	alanz_	it keeps the commits live for older users
2020-05-08 21:25:46	alanz_	I generally make one with a date suffix, as the marker for the before-rebase version
2020-05-08 21:26:03	alanz_	then clean those branches up after a while
2020-05-08 21:26:07	mpickering	yes I see
2020-05-08 21:26:24	alanz_	doing that makes rebases almost usable :)
2020-05-08 21:28:14	alanz_	mpickering, I just saw your issue, asking me to do it. Happy to. Or has something changed?
2020-05-08 21:28:27	mpickering	No I was asking you for permission to do it :) 
2020-05-08 21:28:47	mpickering	but you can do it yes 
2020-05-08 21:28:54	mpickering	I predict the rebase will not be awful
2020-05-08 21:28:57	alanz_	yes, reading the issue now, sorry.
2020-05-08 21:29:05	mpickering	exe/Main.hs on my branch is a bit of a mess
2020-05-08 21:29:14	alanz_	I am getting into the flow of doing them, and they have been easier recently
2020-05-08 21:29:33	alanz_	I propose rebase etc, then we look at splitting out a new lib for that stuff
2020-05-08 21:29:43	alanz_	so exe/Main stays lean and simple
2020-05-08 21:29:51	alanz_	as we discussed before
2020-05-08 21:30:01	mpickering	yes sounds good
2020-05-08 21:30:08	alanz_	ok.
2020-05-08 21:30:12	mpickering	You can take the changes from da/master for exe/Main.hs mostly
2020-05-08 21:30:19	mpickering	I only commented stuff out because it doesn't built with profiling
2020-05-08 21:31:02	wz1000	mpickering: which one? I don't see anything
2020-05-08 21:31:32	alanz_	mpickering, I know, I have been doing that
2020-05-08 21:31:46	mpickering	ah I was defeated by github once again
2020-05-08 21:31:49	mpickering	submitted now
2020-05-08 21:36:00	fendor	mpickering, I can not reproduce the issue described in https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/issues/177
2020-05-08 21:36:34	fendor	with cabal-install 3.2
2020-05-08 21:37:11	mpickering	I wouldn't worry too much then, ask for a better repro
2020-05-08 21:37:19	mpickering	and fix the things to do with multi-component instead :) 
2020-05-08 21:37:23	fendor	agreed.
2020-05-08 21:37:26	fendor	yeah, will do it again
2020-05-08 21:37:35	fendor	I need to update the cachedir for each existing cradle
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2020-05-08 22:08:19	wz1000	mpickering: if there is a parse error in the haddock, is a parsed module still returned?
2020-05-08 22:15:27	wz1000	is the blog post up yet?
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2020-05-08 23:01:12	mpickering	wz1000: No, but should it be? It's like saying if you have a parse error because of turning on a language extension but not with another one?
2020-05-08 23:01:26	mpickering	I am waiting for Neil to ok the funding situation before publicising
2020-05-08 23:02:59	fendor	mpickering, I have a fix for the bad-interface files, it works for me on the cabal code-base
2020-05-08 23:03:09	mpickering	fendor 👏
2020-05-08 23:03:33	fendor	pr when local build succeeds
2020-05-08 23:03:42	wz1000	mpickering: but the user didn't turn on haddock, we are doing it for them
2020-05-08 23:05:12	wz1000	our ide shouldn't stop working just because the user decided to comment out a pattern guard
2020-05-08 23:06:40	mpickering	Sounds like good reasoning
2020-05-08 23:06:55	mpickering	What happens in that case with your patch?
2020-05-08 23:07:00	mpickering	is the haddock error shown as a warnng?
2020-05-08 23:07:51	wz1000	yes. the diagnostic behaviour of ghcide is the same
2020-05-08 23:07:57	wz1000	as it was before the patch
2020-05-08 23:08:07	wz1000	the only difference should be documentation showing up on hover
2020-05-08 23:08:16	mpickering	So write down a summary of my comment and your reasoning in a comment like a GHC Note
2020-05-08 23:08:32	mpickering	You agree with my point 2?
2020-05-08 23:08:50	wz1000	yes
2020-05-08 23:09:04	mpickering	In general this code base does not have enough comments or Notes
2020-05-08 23:09:19	mpickering	once things settle I am going to do some refactoring and commenting I think
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2020-05-08 23:16:31	wz1000	btw don't forget you offered to review my haskell-lsp patch, pls I would appreciate it if you get the time
2020-05-08 23:18:07	mpickering	ok
2020-05-08 23:18:11	mpickering	I don't subscribe thee
2020-05-08 23:18:19	mpickering	*there
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2020-05-08 23:18:29	wz1000	https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/pull/244
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2020-05-08 23:20:21	mpickering	ok I will look 
2020-05-08 23:20:23	mpickering	need to cook dinner
2020-05-08 23:21:09	wz1000	np, there's no hurry, still a lot of work to be done upstream
2020-05-08 23:21:49	mpickering	wz1000: This patch is quite big
2020-05-08 23:21:54	mpickering	so if you can add comments explaining where to look
2020-05-08 23:22:02	mpickering	that would speed me up a lot
2020-05-08 23:22:08	mpickering	right now I have no idea where to start
2020-05-08 23:22:56	wz1000	the PR description has some of that
2020-05-08 23:23:02	wz1000	most of it is pretty trivial
2020-05-08 23:23:30	wz1000	I've pointed out the important ones in the PR description I think
2020-05-08 23:23:50	mpickering	fendor: This patch looks as I expected
2020-05-08 23:23:55	mpickering	good to here it works
2020-05-08 23:23:58	mpickering	will try it on GHC later
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2020-05-08 23:32:47	wz1000	I've updated the PR with a reading list at the bottom
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2020-05-08 23:56:36	fendor	mpickering, it is not correct yet.
2020-05-08 23:56:48	fendor	I need something to uniquely identify each component
2020-05-08 23:57:42	alanz_	ethercrow[m], opentelemetry base bounds rules out GHC 8.4.4. Is that real?
2020-05-08 23:57:43	fendor	maybe the whole faststring is unique? Gonna look into it
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2020-05-09 00:01:19	ethercrow[m]	alanz_: I think I used numeric underscores couple of times
2020-05-09 00:01:49	ethercrow[m]	other than that there's probably nothing 8.6 specific, let me try
2020-05-09 00:01:54	alanz_	ok, no problen. Time to ditch the stack84.yml file in mpickering/ghcide then
2020-05-09 00:02:45	wz1000	8.4 support was already dead with my hiefile/no-span-info patch
2020-05-09 00:02:46	mpickering	fendor: What is incorrect sorry?
2020-05-09 00:03:00	wz1000	if not earlier
2020-05-09 00:04:04	ethercrow[m]	numeric underscores will gloriously stay then
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2020-05-09 00:08:11	alanz_	ok, just trying to make stack.yaml work for hls rebase. Happy to toss them
2020-05-09 00:08:27	alanz_	philosophy of looking forward, not back
2020-05-09 00:11:24	fendor	mpickering, I am using the show instance installed-unit-ids
2020-05-09 00:11:48	mpickering	which seems ok?
2020-05-09 00:11:55	fendor	for executables that is "main". When you have multiple executables, this is not unique
2020-05-09 00:12:33	mpickering	hmm well let's think about this
2020-05-09 00:12:42	mpickering	what is the failure situation you imagine?
2020-05-09 00:12:50	fendor	you have three executables
2020-05-09 00:13:07	fendor	you open the first one followed by a second one
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2020-05-09 00:13:21	fendor	now you have `["main", "main"]` as the salt for your cachedir
2020-05-09 00:13:33	fendor	you close the session, and start from new
2020-05-09 00:13:46	fendor	you open the first executable followed by the *other* executable
2020-05-09 00:14:19	fendor	the salt is  `["main", "main"]` again since the component options are the same, you end up in the same cachedir as before
2020-05-09 00:14:28	mpickering	which is an issue because?
2020-05-09 00:14:45	fendor	I just imagine that references might be wrong?
2020-05-09 00:16:15	mpickering	So in this situation what happens
2020-05-09 00:16:22	alanz_	Distinguishing main modules by filename is something I recall doing in HaRe. HieMain.hs would be module Main, as would HieWrapper.
2020-05-09 00:16:32	alanz_	and it does matter
2020-05-09 00:16:34	mpickering	we have "os1" and "os2" from the two executables 
2020-05-09 00:16:54	mpickering	If you open 1 followed by two you end up with two cache dirs
2020-05-09 00:17:11	mpickering	three sorry
2020-05-09 00:17:14	mpickering	main + os1 
2020-05-09 00:17:17	mpickering	main main + os1
2020-05-09 00:17:20	mpickering	main main + os2
2020-05-09 00:17:37	fendor	right
2020-05-09 00:17:37	mpickering	If you then open 2 followed by 1 you get
2020-05-09 00:17:40	mpickering	main + os2
2020-05-09 00:17:42	mpickering	main main + os1
2020-05-09 00:17:44	mpickering	main main + os2
2020-05-09 00:17:47	mpickering	seems fine to me
2020-05-09 00:17:52	fendor	if you have three executables
2020-05-09 00:18:00	fendor	e1,e2,e3
2020-05-09 00:18:08	fendor	you open e1 followed by e2
2020-05-09 00:18:12	fendor	main + e1
2020-05-09 00:18:18	fendor	main main + e1
2020-05-09 00:18:21	fendor	main main + e2
2020-05-09 00:18:29	fendor	session terminated, you open e1 followed by e3
2020-05-09 00:18:32	fendor	main + e1 
2020-05-09 00:18:36	fendor	main main + e2
2020-05-09 00:18:42	fendor	*main main + e1
2020-05-09 00:18:42	mpickering	^ nope
2020-05-09 00:18:45	fendor	main main + e3
2020-05-09 00:18:57	mpickering	right
2020-05-09 00:18:57	fendor	will this not cause troubles?
2020-05-09 00:19:17	mpickering	again we have to think about this in terms of invariant
2020-05-09 00:19:23	mpickering	what is the invariant we are trying to establish?
2020-05-09 00:20:51	fendor	hm, I think that interface files have references to the other components and if these components are not loaded in the hscenv, then it crashes?
2020-05-09 00:25:14	mpickering	so I think this ok because the executables can't depend on each other
2020-05-09 00:25:42	mpickering	because the bad situation happens if you build interface file for cabal-install which references Cabal
2020-05-09 00:25:50	mpickering	and then you load cabal-install and Cabal into the same component
2020-05-09 00:26:02	mpickering	because the interface file for cabal-install still mentions the old Cabal
2020-05-09 00:26:13	mpickering	but the mains will never depend on each other
2020-05-09 00:26:35	mpickering	and the aforementioned situation will not happen because the name of the inplace component will always be included in the hash
2020-05-09 00:27:26	mpickering	so you actually only need to add things into the hash if it's possible that the component depends on it
2020-05-09 00:27:51	mpickering	As another example, it would always be safe to use the same cache dir for the Cabal library
2020-05-09 00:38:22	mpickering	So the invariant is any component which we depend on must be included in the hash therefore main modules are irrelevant to the computation
2020-05-09 00:38:33	mpickering	does that make sense?
2020-05-09 00:44:25	fendor	yeah it makes sense, thank you for the explanation!
2020-05-09 00:45:05	fendor	what about tho... two executables e1,e2 and library?
2020-05-09 00:45:14	fendor	library + main + lib1
2020-05-09 00:46:10	fendor	it shouldnt matter
2020-05-09 00:46:15	fendor	ok, thanks, it makes sense°
2020-05-09 00:46:16	fendor	!
2020-05-09 00:48:25	alanz_	mpickering, do you want me to force push https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/pull/30?
2020-05-09 00:48:51	alanz_	if I have permission on mpickering/ghcide. Which I think I have
2020-05-09 00:59:23	mpickering	can I check it and do it?
2020-05-09 00:59:38	mpickering	fendor: Can you write this explanation in a comment?
2020-05-09 00:59:57	alanz_	mpickering, be my guest
2020-05-09 01:00:24	mpickering	fendor: In my explanation is correct I think you just need to add the inplace packages removed by remove inplace into the hash
2020-05-09 01:00:35	mpickering	which would reduce the number of cache directories you have
2020-05-09 01:00:47	mpickering	I have lost track of where this 6-tuple is made though
2020-05-09 01:05:26	fendor	mpickering, yeah, I will!
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2020-05-09 03:42:00	jneira	i love my windows errors:
2020-05-09 03:42:23	jneira	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/1789c193d2311a1b13863df924b92cec/pasted.txt
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2020-05-09 03:49:57	alanz_	and tweeted?
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2020-05-09 04:18:09	jneira	yeah vmchale tweets them auto with a bot: https://twitter.com/my_build_errors/status/1228493790043951105 f.e.
2020-05-09 04:20:53	jneira	i am less sophisticated
2020-05-09 04:31:25	alanz_	:)
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2020-05-09 14:02:34	mpickering	alanz_: There's no point rebasing if the commits don't build in the middle
2020-05-09 14:37:32	alanz_	mpickering, I did not check that.
2020-05-09 14:37:44	alanz_	When you rebase, do you build at each step?
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2020-05-09 14:43:13	Rembane	git rebase -x build-stuff # is a life saver 
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2020-05-09 14:55:28	alanz_	Rembane, thanks, I will have to try that. I just "git rebase -i", select and go
2020-05-09 14:55:53	alanz_	because I have had this niggle as a go that I am not actually checking the intermediate steps
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2020-05-09 14:57:31	Rembane	alanz_: Got it. When I'm on the tip of my feature branch I usually do: git fetch; git rebase -x 'stack test' origin/master 
2020-05-09 14:57:40	Rembane	alanz_: Which runs tests for every commit from master to now. 
2020-05-09 14:58:22	mpickering	I have done my own rebase now alanz_ 
2020-05-09 14:58:35	mpickering	will check each commit builds now
2020-05-09 14:59:37	mpickering	thanks for the tip Rembane, I didn't know that either
2020-05-09 15:00:14	Rembane	mpickering: No worries. It's one of the hidden golden nuggets of git. :)
2020-05-09 15:01:21	alanz_	there is always a neat way of doing things, which can be fully automated. Just have to learn it
2020-05-09 15:12:40	fendor	Rembane, going to write that down, too
2020-05-09 15:12:46	Rembane	^____________^
2020-05-09 15:13:22	mpickering	My experience with commands like this is trying to bisect GHC which never works but this one does..
2020-05-09 15:15:52	mpickering	ok all the commits in my rebase build
2020-05-09 15:15:59	Rembane	I had bisect work for me yesterday, but that's the only time, and the experience is not as automated and nice as -x. 
2020-05-09 15:16:15	mpickering	You know you can pass a command to bisect as well Rembane ?
2020-05-09 15:16:20	mpickering	which works like -x?
2020-05-09 15:16:45	mpickering	alanz_: Did you already push a commit for the current hls branch to a new branch?
2020-05-09 15:17:23	mpickering	answer, yes
2020-05-09 15:17:30	Rembane	mpickering: I didn't! TIL! Thank you! 
2020-05-09 15:17:35	mpickering	haha
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2020-05-09 15:33:14	mpickering	fendor: I will try your patch this evening if you make the changes
2020-05-09 15:33:54	fendor	mpickering, you mean rebasing them and the documentation?
2020-05-09 15:34:14	mpickering	I commented on the PR
2020-05-09 15:34:19	mpickering	it needs a comment
2020-05-09 15:34:38	mpickering	and also I think you could use just the inplace packages removed from the actions as the salt
2020-05-09 15:34:43	mpickering	rather than the whole set of components
2020-05-09 15:35:32	fendor	I've seen that. Should the documentation be in the ghc format? E.g. this reference ?
2020-05-09 15:36:06	mpickering	Do you mean as a Note?
2020-05-09 15:36:14	mpickering	having more comments is just better than not having comments
2020-05-09 15:36:27	mpickering	anything which you have to think about for more than 1 minute should probably be commented
2020-05-09 15:36:29	fendor	yes as a mpte
2020-05-09 15:36:35	alanz_	mpickering, you found my branch on my fork?
2020-05-09 15:36:36	fendor	*note
2020-05-09 15:36:37	mpickering	and given we had a whole conversation about it, worthy of a note
2020-05-09 15:36:50	mpickering	alanz_: hmm?
2020-05-09 15:37:09	alanz_	you asked above about my hls rebase branch. I presume you found it?
2020-05-09 15:37:11	fendor	ok, will do! 
2020-05-09 15:37:15	mpickering	Yes I found that
2020-05-09 15:37:21	 *	alanz_ been doing domestic stuff. The bread *might* be edible
2020-05-09 15:37:34	mpickering	but also saw you push a commit to my repo which saved the state of master before the rebase
2020-05-09 15:37:55	alanz_	yes, for other people who rely on that
2020-05-09 15:38:10	mpickering	or can you push that to my repo if you only pushed it to your repo?
2020-05-09 15:38:12	alanz_	so stack and cabal config files continue to build in future
2020-05-09 15:38:12	mpickering	I am heading out
2020-05-09 15:38:32	mpickering	fendor: Of course you can comment here and say that I am not very good at writing notes for my changes, which would be a correct observation
2020-05-09 15:38:42	alanz_	my branch is also called hls.  Just add my repo as an upstream and pull it.
2020-05-09 15:39:05	fendor	mpickering, excuse me? Why would I say that?
2020-05-09 15:39:11	alanz_	git remote add alanz https://github.com/alanz/ghcide.git
2020-05-09 15:39:16	mpickering	because it's true?
2020-05-09 15:39:23	mpickering	There are no comments about the shake queue at all!
2020-05-09 15:39:27	mpickering	yes I go tit
2020-05-09 15:39:45	fendor	the multi-component stuff is very well commented
2020-05-09 15:40:14	mpickering	ah that is true
2020-05-09 15:40:20	mpickering	I will comment the shake queue later
2020-05-09 15:40:28	mpickering	That's is because I failed to implement multi-component for a long time
2020-05-09 15:40:37	fendor	it is still hard to follow, but well commented
2020-05-09 15:40:51	mpickering	right we can improve that still. I think some type signatures would help
2020-05-09 15:40:59	mpickering	I find it hard to understand what the types of a lot of variables are
2020-05-09 15:41:41	fendor	yeah and when type inference trips up, it is really hard to understand why
2020-05-09 15:41:50	fendor	and we should introduce a data-type for the six tuple
2020-05-09 15:41:54	fendor	I can do that in a follow up pr
2020-05-09 15:41:57	fendor	tomorrow
2020-05-09 15:42:18	mpickering	yeah I agree
2020-05-09 15:42:25	mpickering	as you can imagine, it was originally a 2-tuple..
2020-05-09 15:43:07	fendor	haha. 
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2020-05-09 15:44:42	mpickering	I think it would help readability a lot to give the mutable variables type signatures
2020-05-09 15:44:52	mpickering	and to lift the three different functions into the top-level
2020-05-09 15:44:56	mpickering	and add the 6-tuple
2020-05-09 15:44:59	mpickering	then it may be understandable
2020-05-09 15:45:57	fendor	yeah, that is a good idea
2020-05-09 15:46:07	fendor	for local development, I actually added the signatures
2020-05-09 15:46:15	fendor	but didnt want to introduce too many unrelated changes
2020-05-09 15:50:23	mpickering	loool, I think that puts you in the lawful evil position of hie developers
2020-05-09 15:51:23	wz1000	if our ide was good enough we wouldn't need signatures
2020-05-09 15:52:01	mpickering	I was making my patch in vim for unknown reasons
2020-05-09 15:52:22	wz1000	you can use the vim lsp plugin
2020-05-09 15:52:42	mpickering	I use vim when I don't want to run the risk of the IDE breaking on me
2020-05-09 15:52:52	 *	mpickering leaves
2020-05-09 15:53:19	wz1000	erasing the distinction between let and letrec was the greatest mistake in haskell history
2020-05-09 15:55:05	fendor	yep, that is good summary :D http://www.easydamus.com/lawfulevil.html
2020-05-09 15:55:53	fendor	minus the racist part
2020-05-09 15:55:57	fendor	or the killing
2020-05-09 15:57:38	mpickering	I was classified as chaotic evil on our research group lawfulness chart 
2020-05-09 15:57:42	mpickering	so count yourself luckyu
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2020-05-09 16:01:12	wz1000	I can see that
2020-05-09 16:01:32	fendor	same, I can totally see that
2020-05-09 16:01:35	wz1000	mpickering was what orwell had in mind when he wrote 1984
2020-05-09 16:01:45	wz1000	wtf has happened to my beautiful branch?
2020-05-09 16:01:49	wz1000	https://github.com/mpickering/ghcide/pull/22
2020-05-09 16:01:56	wz1000	 +7,722 −1,240
2020-05-09 16:02:34	fendor	rebase time!
2020-05-09 16:02:36	wz1000	why do you keep rewriting history from under me?
2020-05-09 16:03:47	alanz_	wz1000, :+1:
2020-05-09 16:03:58	fendor	I had to rebase as well. It didnt work out of the box, so created a new branch from the rebased tip, cherry-picked my two commit from the other branch and set it as my new pr branch's tip
2020-05-09 16:05:03	alanz_	Devils advocate: there is a view of the world that it is just about managing changes. An uncommited branch is just a set of changes. Rebasing in that sense is a logical thing to do, you have to manage how it unites with master sometimg
2020-05-09 16:05:37	alanz_	which I am fine with, if it did not *break* older stuff relying on that original set of changes
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2020-05-09 18:34:42	mpickering	I think wz1000 submitted a patch to me by email
2020-05-09 18:36:15	alanz_	well, git ftw
2020-05-09 18:36:34	alanz_	that is how the linux kernel works, I think
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2020-05-09 19:32:01	alanz_	mpickering, can I start upgrading hls to use the updated mpickering/ghcide/hls?
2020-05-09 19:32:28	mpickering	You can do, shouldn't be too bad
2020-05-09 19:33:48	alanz_	great. I only have a few small things on top. Should pr onto your branch, I guess. Treat *it* as the upstream
2020-05-09 19:34:52	alanz_	mpickering, did you do the "-x" thing on your rebase?
2020-05-09 19:35:04	mpickering	yes
2020-05-09 19:35:21	mpickering	yes if you do that and I like your changes I will upstream them for you
2020-05-09 19:36:37	alanz_	ok. 
2020-05-09 19:38:17	alanz_	what is the story around haddock and hlint, and the incompatible flags.  How will we resolve it going forward?
2020-05-09 19:38:33	alanz_	eventually via a GHC patch, of course, but in the interim
2020-05-09 19:39:23	mpickering	We can add another rule which parses the module without haddock enabled
2020-05-09 19:39:34	mpickering	So you have two copies of files of interest in memory but that's not too bad imo
2020-05-09 19:39:47	mpickering	given FOI is usually <= 10
2020-05-09 19:39:56	alanz_	FOI?
2020-05-09 19:40:02	mpickering	file of interest
2020-05-09 19:40:05	alanz_	ok
2020-05-09 19:40:08	mpickering	basically a file which is open in your editor
2020-05-09 19:40:16	mpickering	assuming you only want to run hlint on open files?
2020-05-09 19:40:21	alanz_	yes
2020-05-09 19:41:43	alanz_	The haddock parse needs info from renaming and later.  I wonder if we could just parse for haddock comments, run the fuller pipeline for the normal path, and make use of the artifacts for haddock gen
2020-05-09 19:41:55	alanz_	i.e. parse twice, but rename/typecheck once only
2020-05-09 19:42:37	mpickering	"The haddock parse needs info from renaming and later"?
2020-05-09 19:42:48	mpickering	I don't see how that could be true as the rule only runs the parser
2020-05-09 19:42:50	alanz_	haddock doc gen
2020-05-09 19:43:03	mpickering	I don't think we do any of that
2020-05-09 19:43:15	mpickering	I think we just parse the comments but don't resolve what the names point to
2020-05-09 19:43:16	alanz_	ok. Based on my working AST changes into haddock, it seems to use artifacts from renaming
2020-05-09 19:43:30	mpickering	https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/pull/557
2020-05-09 19:43:47	alanz_	ok. I have not looked at the support. I would love to be able to change a haddock comment and see it  live on hover. Is that what it does?
2020-05-09 19:43:54	mpickering	Yes
2020-05-09 19:43:57	mpickering	With Zubin's patch
2020-05-09 19:44:12	alanz_	great. What does "Rats:" prefix mean?
2020-05-09 19:44:50	mpickering	https://twitter.com/mpickering_/status/1255394645619748866
2020-05-09 19:45:12	alanz_	in that case we could toss the haddock parse once generated, not store it in the tree
2020-05-09 19:45:25	alanz_	ah
2020-05-09 19:45:43	alanz_	to join wibble in the GHC lexicon :)
2020-05-09 19:45:58	mpickering	We can fix this issue when there is actually an issue
2020-05-09 19:46:07	mpickering	Then it will be clear how to fix it
2020-05-09 19:46:17	alanz_	ok
2020-05-09 19:46:41	alanz_	But I think fendor has a branch bringing in hlint at the moment. So it may be quite soon
2020-05-09 19:49:12	mpickering	Yes we'll fix it if it's broken
2020-05-09 19:50:51	alanz_	:+1:
2020-05-09 20:00:40	alanz_	I am going to just add the missing bits to my changes, not incorporate the wz1000 haddock stuff. I will wait for it to land in mpickering/ghcide/hls
2020-05-09 20:00:51	alanz_	(we need a short name for that)
2020-05-09 20:01:01	mpickering	staging branch
2020-05-09 20:01:07	mpickering	Once I work out why Zubin emailed me the patch
2020-05-09 20:01:12	mpickering	then I will think about merging it
2020-05-09 20:01:15	mpickering	could be quite a while though
2020-05-09 20:02:24	alanz_	ok, no rush, I think.  Nice to have, not a blocker
2020-05-09 20:02:55	alanz_	git -am will apply it, I think
2020-05-09 20:03:13	mpickering	yes I could apply it but I am more wondering about the *why* rather than the how
2020-05-09 20:07:23	alanz_	lukelau, I see "allow-newer: cabal-plan:base,floskell:base,floskell:ghc-prim,tasty-rerun:base" in the cabal.project. Is that for GHC 8.10.1? makes me uncomfortable
2020-05-09 20:21:47	jneira	mmm i think we did something in the install script to use auto cabal.project-8.10.1
2020-05-09 20:22:39	jneira	so we could have a cabal project "clean" by default and a specific one with those flags
2020-05-09 20:23:39	alanz_	jneira, in hie, or hls?
2020-05-09 20:23:52	jneira	both
2020-05-09 20:23:55	jneira	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/blob/master/install/src/Cabal.hs#L88
2020-05-09 20:24:22	wz1000	mpickering: so that I can work in peace while you mess around with branch history as you see fit lol
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2020-05-09 20:25:31	jneira	originally i did it to add source-repository-packages needed for specific ghc versions when they break other ones
2020-05-09 20:25:42	alanz_	ok
2020-05-09 20:26:03	jneira	but we could use to isolate allow-newer's too
2020-05-09 20:26:46	alanz_	but current master does not have a specific ghc-8.10.1 cabal.project. I think it would be good to create one, locking down the index version but then adding allow-newer kind of defeats the purpose
2020-05-09 20:26:59	jneira	agree
2020-05-09 20:27:30	jneira	the caveat is you have to remember use that project file if you have that version by default
2020-05-09 20:28:10	jneira	but, well, it is pretty explicit, no? and the install script does it for you
2020-05-09 20:28:45	jneira	mpickering: i've test your handling errors branch with no luck
2020-05-09 20:28:59	jneira	i am double cheking it just now
2020-05-09 20:29:57	alanz_	jneira, I would love to see ghc-dependent stanzas in cabal.project. I wonder if they exist already
2020-05-09 20:30:44	jneira	afaik they doesn't, maybe there is an issue about? not sure
2020-05-09 20:32:41	alanz_	just asked on twitter. Hopefully we will find out, or someone will make it happen
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2020-05-09 20:54:00	lukelau	alanz_: yeah its for ghc-8.10.1 until those packages are updated
2020-05-09 20:54:20	lukelau	ive made a pr for cabal-plan but its still sitting there afaik
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2020-05-09 21:12:02	mpickering	jneira: Hmm what happens?
2020-05-09 21:12:11	mpickering	I just tested it in CLI so far
2020-05-09 21:12:27	mpickering	I just had a call with Neil and have removed the funding links for now 
2020-05-09 21:12:32	mpickering	going to publish Luke's post
2020-05-09 21:14:48	mpickering	wz1000: If we are going to upstream these patches, we need to rebase the branch
2020-05-09 21:14:52	mpickering	that's life unfortunately
2020-05-09 21:17:52	mpickering	https://twitter.com/mpickering_/status/1259148049454108674
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2020-05-09 21:38:43	wz1000	what is this about the funding?
2020-05-09 21:39:28	mpickering	Neil said he wanted to discuss the funding situation a bit more, specifically whether Mr Chaotic Evil should be in charge of it or not
2020-05-09 21:39:47	mpickering	So we will put the links back up at a more relaxed pace when that is sorted out
2020-05-09 21:45:45	alanz_	Mr Chaotic Evil being mpickering ?
2020-05-09 21:46:32	alanz_	sounds a bit brutal. http://www.easydamus.com/chaoticevil.html
2020-05-09 21:47:53	mpickering	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/O5aHmJ42/
2020-05-09 21:48:55	alanz_	ok. 
2020-05-09 21:51:03	wz1000	why is the ghc api doing this to me
2020-05-09 21:51:14	wz1000	there is no outputable instance for namespace
2020-05-09 21:51:40	wz1000	but there is a pprNamespace :: NameSpace -> SDoc
2020-05-09 21:52:00	wz1000	and I have a function Outputable a => a -> String
2020-05-09 21:52:15	wz1000	turns out there is no outputable instance for SDoc
2020-05-09 21:52:59	mpickering	There is in HEAD
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2020-05-09 21:53:29	wz1000	good to know and yet completely useless information
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2020-05-09 21:54:18	mpickering	Not sure you need that instance to rebase your patch though so should be all good
2020-05-09 21:55:21	mpickering	jk, I am just about to rebase it for you, download the patch file from my email, apply it, and push it to a branch
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2020-05-09 21:58:08	wz1000	<3
2020-05-09 21:58:44	wz1000	I can do it in about half an hour if my current debugging session goes well
2020-05-09 22:01:24	mpickering	See zubin-haddock branch
2020-05-09 22:01:43	mpickering	I will merge it if it builds
2020-05-09 22:10:57	mpickering	Could we make it so if you hover over the haddock it shows you the rendered comment?
2020-05-09 22:12:04	wz1000	not sure if ghc exposes the correct stuff to make that easy
2020-05-09 22:13:26	mpickering	I checked and it does work to edit the comment and hover over the identifer though
2020-05-09 22:13:27	mpickering	nice hob
2020-05-09 22:13:44	mpickering	I need to rebase your hie-db patch onto this though as now I have a ghcide without find reference
2020-05-09 22:13:58	wz1000	hob?
2020-05-09 22:14:15	wz1000	I've added some logging
2020-05-09 22:14:29	mpickering	job
2020-05-09 22:14:53	wz1000	it's not helping me figure out why workspace symbol is not working though
2020-05-09 22:14:59	alanz_	this will be a killer feature to improve documentation. Immediate feedback
2020-05-09 22:15:07	wz1000	its a very baffling bug
2020-05-09 22:15:32	wz1000	copypasting the command from the trace into the sqlite3 commandline gives me the results
2020-05-09 22:15:37	wz1000	and it works for values somehow
2020-05-09 22:15:43	wz1000	but not types
2020-05-09 22:16:09	mpickering	push your branch if you want me to try
2020-05-09 22:16:19	mpickering	or just read the code and divine what is wrong
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2020-05-09 22:26:27	mpickering	jneira: I tried my patch and it works
2020-05-09 22:26:37	mpickering	but it was slightly broken
2020-05-09 22:26:53	mpickering	The way it displays errors is pretty gross but that's something someone else can improve
2020-05-09 22:28:51	alanz_	who has upgraded to cabal-install 3.2? who to the new stack? is it safe yet?
2020-05-09 22:29:06	alanz_	*is* there a new cabal-install, or just the lib?
2020-05-09 22:29:32	mpickering	Seems like I am using it
2020-05-09 22:29:33	 *	alanz_ watching Cabal-3.2.0.0 build forever as a dep
2020-05-09 22:29:36	mpickering	Have noticed no issues 
2020-05-09 22:29:43	alanz_	cabal-install?
2020-05-09 22:29:53	mpickering	yeah
2020-05-09 22:30:30	alanz_	ok. Its odd, in the past a "cabal update" would tell you there was a new version, and prompt to upgrade. new-update does not do that
2020-05-09 22:32:38	wz1000	mpickering: https://github.com/wz1000/ghcide/tree/symbols
2020-05-09 22:32:49	wz1000	pushed before trying one last hail mary
2020-05-09 22:35:53	mpickering	so what do I do to make it fail?
2020-05-09 22:36:25	wz1000	query for type:SomeType
2020-05-09 22:36:33	mpickering	in vscode?
2020-05-09 22:36:35	mpickering	how do I do that?
2020-05-09 22:37:20	wz1000	C-t
2020-05-09 22:37:47	wz1000	if you query for some exact value it should work
2020-05-09 22:37:55	mpickering	and it should to the symbol definition?
2020-05-09 22:38:01	wz1000	all references
2020-05-09 22:38:32	mpickering	Ctrl + T doesn't do anything
2020-05-09 22:39:37	wz1000	are you running the correct build of ghcide?
2020-05-09 22:40:08	wz1000	Go > Go To Symbol in Workspace
2020-05-09 22:40:13	mpickering	05b43f4b1b527e08d021e06837380d6699c194f5
2020-05-09 22:40:56	wz1000	you don't even get a dropdown?
2020-05-09 22:41:30	mpickering	If I use C - p
2020-05-09 22:41:34	mpickering	and type #val then it works
2020-05-09 22:41:35	mpickering	for variables
2020-05-09 22:42:02	wz1000	yeah
2020-05-09 22:42:21	wz1000	it doesn't work for constructors or types for some reason
2020-05-09 22:42:49	wz1000	the command in the trace should work though
2020-05-09 22:43:07	wz1000	/tmp/sqltrace
2020-05-09 22:47:09	alanz_	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/102 is current mpickering/ghcide/hls with my hover tweaks
2020-05-09 22:48:06	alanz_	hmm, not current. Things are moving fast :)
2020-05-09 22:48:49	mpickering	wz1000: Yes I can reproduce this
2020-05-09 22:52:39	mpickering	wz1000: 
2020-05-09 22:52:43	mpickering	value:tcTopSplice also fails
2020-05-09 22:52:48	mpickering	but tcTopSplice works
2020-05-09 22:55:10	wz1000	look in the trace if you can see something I'm not seeing
2020-05-09 22:55:24	mpickering	can you verify that `value:` is also broken?
2020-05-09 22:55:46	wz1000	yes
2020-05-09 23:00:05	wz1000	the queries are working with hiedb in ghci also
2020-05-09 23:01:35	wz1000	only explanation I think of is something to do with string encoding
2020-05-09 23:02:09	mpickering	No
2020-05-09 23:02:11	mpickering	It is vscode
2020-05-09 23:02:19	mpickering	Trace the length of the returned result
2020-05-09 23:02:22	mpickering	it has 4 things in
2020-05-09 23:03:12	mpickering	You should make constructors work without the value prefix btw
2020-05-09 23:03:22	mpickering	but I don't think vscode likes this prefix thing you are doing
2020-05-09 23:03:34	wz1000	yeah, I did that locally
2020-05-09 23:03:40	wz1000	the constructor thing
2020-05-09 23:03:51	 *	mpickering passes the baton back to Zubin
2020-05-09 23:03:55	wz1000	how are you tracing?
2020-05-09 23:04:11	mpickering	I just printed out the length of the returned result
2020-05-09 23:06:31	wz1000	mpickering: while trying to track this down, I moved opening the read database connection from Main.hs to just before each query
2020-05-09 23:06:43	wz1000	do you think I could keep it like that?
2020-05-09 23:06:54	wz1000	s/could/should
2020-05-09 23:07:28	mpickering	why not just keep it open?
2020-05-09 23:07:36	mpickering	I am going to cook dinner now
2020-05-09 23:09:12	mpickering	The comments on this reddit thread a bit annoying so far
2020-05-09 23:11:00	wz1000	switching from ':' to '-' doesn't seem to have any improvement
2020-05-09 23:11:46	wz1000	It works with constructors now though
2020-05-09 23:12:03	wz1000	vscode is doing something very stupid
2020-05-09 23:12:41	wz1000	its filtering out result locations that don't match the query
2020-05-09 23:16:15	wz1000	Microsoft wins today
2020-05-09 23:18:11	mpickering	I am not sure this is a good idea anyway
2020-05-09 23:18:35	mpickering	(Using the prefix)
2020-05-09 23:18:45	mpickering	If the namespace is ambiguous then search both
2020-05-09 23:19:09	mpickering	And returning only definition sites seems way more useful
2020-05-09 23:19:38	sm[m]	mpickering: heh, when announcing your cool thing expect to get 90% discussion of other projects
2020-05-09 23:20:08	sm[m]	great post! Thank you all for your work
2020-05-09 23:21:15	sm[m]	haskell tooling sure is complicated, but I imagine things will shake out more
2020-05-09 23:21:28	wz1000	the spec is completely useless for trying to figure out any sort of semantics for this
2020-05-09 23:26:27	mpickering	Zubin
2020-05-09 23:26:34	wz1000	yes
2020-05-09 23:26:35	mpickering	The example in the docs matches prefixes
2020-05-09 23:26:44	mpickering	And also only shows definition sites
2020-05-09 23:26:50	mpickering	VSCode docs that is
2020-05-09 23:27:37	wz1000	ok
2020-05-09 23:27:51	wz1000	link?
2020-05-09 23:28:32	wz1000	I'm going to have to extend hiedb a bit for this. it is possible to get definitions out, but it will be inefficient for this use case
2020-05-09 23:30:10	wz1000	I see Saurabh Nanda on reddit with a good question
2020-05-09 23:30:33	wz1000	I suspect he will be willing to contribute a bit
2020-05-09 23:39:44	wz1000	the 'p' is very strange on the font for your blog mpickering 
2020-05-09 23:43:31	wz1000	Now I'm thinking that your branch should also have been plugged
2020-05-09 23:57:42	alanz_	jneira, something in the cabal-hls-install resets my remote from being a git URL (which I can push to), to an https one.
2020-05-09 23:59:52	alanz_	(for my ghcide repo)
2020-05-10 00:02:02	fendor	alanz_, didnt red the context, but indeed I have a branch where hlint 3 is used as a diagnostics provider, no refactorings, though. Will bring it in next week
2020-05-10 00:02:51	alanz_	ok. Chat to mpickering/wz1000 about the haddock/hlint interaction. They need conflicting DynFlags to work
2020-05-10 00:05:42	fendor	I know :/ Will talk to them about it!
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2020-05-10 02:00:15	jneira	alanz_ uh?? weird, it does a `git submodule update --recursive`afaik
2020-05-10 02:00:31	jneira	let me check the code...
2020-05-10 02:01:24	alanz_	well, maybe its not that. But something resets it. I have two repos as upstreams, alanz as http, and alanz-push to the git variant. and after a build they end up both https. Very odd.
2020-05-10 02:02:34	jneira	oh, no, it does a `git submodule sync && git submodule update --init`
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2020-05-10 02:02:49	jneira	maybe the second one could have that effect?
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2020-05-10 03:01:23	fendor	my new hard-drive arrived! Getting ready for gsoc 2020! 
2020-05-10 03:03:10	alanz_	now you can build for all the GHCs :)
2020-05-10 03:04:00	mpickering	fendor: How much memory do you have? (In your computer)
2020-05-10 03:04:28	fendor	one 500 gb ssd, one 2tb hdd and now an additional 1 tb ssd :)
2020-05-10 03:04:34	mpickering	I mean RAM
2020-05-10 03:04:37	fendor	16gb
2020-05-10 03:04:44	mpickering	ok great
2020-05-10 03:05:18	fendor	now I just have to install nixos on my main pc and I am ready for gsoc!
2020-05-10 03:05:34	fendor	(dont want to do it on windows or only use my notebook)
2020-05-10 03:06:45	mpickering	yeah a good idea if you are building ghc
2020-05-10 03:08:30	fendor	I already built it on my notebook, didnt took too long and worked on the first try (ghc.nix is a bliss)
2020-05-10 03:09:05	fendor	but with 16 logical cores, it should be faster
2020-05-10 03:10:23	alanz_	fendor, you are risking becoming the designated hls/nix support person
2020-05-10 03:10:51	fendor	nah, I am completely incapable of writing any nix expression
2020-05-10 03:11:04	mpickering	We can get zubin to do that
2020-05-10 03:11:21	mpickering	rebase enough of his patches for him so that he has no choice
2020-05-10 03:11:39	infinisil	I'd help out with that if needed
2020-05-10 03:13:12	fendor	infinisil, that would be awesome! 
2020-05-10 03:13:26	mpickering	Its quite easy really you just see a linker error and tell them they have a GHC version mismatch
2020-05-10 03:13:33	infinisil	Hehe
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2020-05-10 03:15:14	infinisil	To prevent issues with mismatched versions, I think it would be great to have some Nix functions you can use to declare your project
2020-05-10 03:15:43	fendor	I wish I could do something with nixpkgs. But my expressions are just copied and have minor changes like version changes
2020-05-10 03:17:09	infinisil	I've been thinking about creating an abstract Nix interface for LSP
2020-05-10 03:17:15	fendor	infinisil, how would that work for people that mainly want to use the nix cache to avoid the long installation time?
2020-05-10 03:18:00	infinisil	Where projects would declare "I am a haskell project and work like this", and users could declare "I am an emacs user and like these settings", and some Nix parts inbetween would figure out how to reproducibly configure everything to make it work
2020-05-10 03:18:52	infinisil	fendor: I guess that currently doesn't even work, since there's glibc version mismatches if HIE's GHC doesn't match the one from your project
2020-05-10 03:19:14	infinisil	(well the glibc version, but since there's like 5 versions of that floating around..)
2020-05-10 03:20:21	fendor	that is annoying. but reasonable
2020-05-10 03:22:04	infinisil	I guess the Nix interface to HIE/HLS could expose the GHC version it's using
2020-05-10 03:22:12	infinisil	And then hope that people are using that
2020-05-10 03:22:31	mpickering	Everyone using nix is using shells to specify their ghc
2020-05-10 03:22:32	infinisil	But I think most people wouldn't do that, and instead use the GHC version from stack/cabal/their system
2020-05-10 03:22:43	mpickering	so it shouldn't be too hard to also use the same shell to specify ghcide
2020-05-10 03:22:59	mpickering	but it has to be built with the same GHC which is provisioned ofc
2020-05-10 03:23:11	infinisil	Hm maybe yeah
2020-05-10 03:24:27	infinisil	Aw man, it's kind of a giant mess, the whole haskell + nix ecosystem
2020-05-10 03:24:47	infinisil	I mean it works, somewhat, but there's way too many complexities
2020-05-10 03:25:30	infinisil	And so many ways to do things
2020-05-10 03:25:32	mpickering	only packaging one version of each package in nixpkgs is understandable but also bad
2020-05-10 03:25:43	mpickering	which is why haskell.nix exists
2020-05-10 03:26:02	mpickering	perhaps if people used compilers provisioned by haskell.nix and ghcide provisioned by haskell.nix it would work
2020-05-10 03:26:15	infinisil	Yeah maybe that's the best option for the future
2020-05-10 03:28:47	infinisil	haskell.nix seems to be rather hard to get into though
2020-05-10 03:29:26	mpickering	Would also be fine if you could use a haskell compiler from nixpkgs with haskell.nix
2020-05-10 03:30:28	infinisil	mpickering: I think there are some assertions that prevent this
2020-05-10 03:30:39	infinisil	Presumably because some custom derivation things are needed
2020-05-10 03:30:58	mpickering	I also foolishly tried once to use my old HEAD build with haskel.nix
2020-05-10 03:31:05	mpickering	that was quite a while ago
2020-05-10 03:32:30	infinisil	There are so many things in the Nix ecosystem that could use more work, I don't even know where to start!
2020-05-10 03:32:43	infinisil	Well I have started on multiple things, but there's many more
2020-05-10 03:34:40	sm[m]	complications on top of complications...
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2020-05-10 05:14:18	dxld	jneira: you're a night owl too I see :)
2020-05-10 05:14:53	dxld	or is it just a timezone thing?
2020-05-10 05:15:23	jneira	O^O
2020-05-10 05:15:32	jneira	spain here 1:45 :-D
2020-05-10 05:15:43	dxld	if you have a minute I still don't get what's going on with that symlink thing on windos
2020-05-10 05:15:47	jneira	we have the same tz i guess
2020-05-10 05:15:59	dxld	night owl then ~_~
2020-05-10 05:16:19	jneira	this night, i hope
2020-05-10 05:17:00	jneira	tomorrow childs will eat me rau :-D 
2020-05-10 05:17:06	jneira	*raw
2020-05-10 05:17:23	jneira	the function does nothing if you dont have privileges
2020-05-10 05:17:29	jneira	incredible
2020-05-10 05:17:34	dxld	indeed
2020-05-10 05:17:42	dxld	god damn WinDOS
2020-05-10 05:17:51	dxld	it's 2020 and we still can't have symlinks
2020-05-10 05:17:59	dxld	though tbh. the haskell bindings might be at fault here
2020-05-10 05:18:07	jneira	well it has since vista
2020-05-10 05:18:19	dxld	I remember I did some research on win32 stuff in haskell and the code is very, very crusty
2020-05-10 05:18:23	dxld	and ugly ofc.
2020-05-10 05:18:24	jneira	yeah win32 package should throw an error tbh
2020-05-10 05:19:03	dxld	the thing is I just don't think copying around ghc.exe is really a good idea either..
2020-05-10 05:19:26	dxld	maybe we should create a mock script that pretends to be ghc instead or something
2020-05-10 05:20:08	dxld	IIRC ghc searches for some stuff (libdir?) relative to getProgName
2020-05-10 05:20:15	jneira	it already does it afaiu
2020-05-10 05:20:19	dxld	so if you copy it around that'll break
2020-05-10 05:20:19	jneira	:-)
2020-05-10 05:20:29	dxld	oh do we?
2020-05-10 05:20:36	jneira	yeah
2020-05-10 05:20:51	dxld	ah right
2020-05-10 05:21:01	dxld	I do the symlink to change $0 
2020-05-10 05:21:35	dxld	aka getProgName
2020-05-10 05:21:43	jneira	well in nix it does not matter
2020-05-10 05:21:50	jneira	so understandable
2020-05-10 05:23:12	jneira	well i can go sleep peaceful
2020-05-10 05:23:17	jneira	:-D
2020-05-10 05:23:56	jneira	mmm i want to test a mpickering patch once again but it will be tomorrow
2020-05-10 05:25:10	jneira	bye! dxld: thanks for the reviews and suggestions
2020-05-10 05:25:20	dxld	bye now
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2020-05-10 08:38:48	tristanC	congrats on the result, building from source worked out of the box (using emacs lsp-mode). Great work folks!
2020-05-10 08:39:08	tristanC	release*
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2020-05-10 12:13:38	wz1000	mpickering: do you think non-exported names should be included in the definitions? what about local names?
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2020-05-10 12:33:09	mpickering	yes to non-exported
2020-05-10 12:33:11	mpickering	no to local names
2020-05-10 12:33:28	mpickering	Which is how tags files work I believe
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2020-05-10 13:31:03	halum	Hi, I am new to Haskell, and trying to setup an LSP in Emacs (Spacemacs, specifically). I tried to install hie it keeps restarting (the *hie* and *hie-stderr* buffers are empty so can 
2020-05-10 13:31:21	halum	Hi, I am new to Haskell, and trying to setup an LSP in Emacs (Spacemacs, specifically). I tried to install hie it keeps restarting (the *hie* and *hie-stderr* buffers are empty so can't really find the cause)
2020-05-10 13:32:36	halum	Also, is the new haskell-language-server usable in Emacs lsp-mode?
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2020-05-10 15:09:53	luntain	getting errors running haskell-language-server on master; haskell-language-server built using stack, I copied the hie.yaml.stack to hie.yaml, it is still trying to use cabal, though; is that expected?
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2020-05-10 16:24:28	jneira	luntain: if cabal.project present, it still picks cabal
2020-05-10 16:25:15	jneira	oh wait, you copied the hie.yaml.stack, sorry
2020-05-10 16:25:55	jneira	maybe it uses cabal to guess the ghc used in the project (cause there is a cabal.project)?
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2020-05-10 19:03:28	wz1000	lukelau: ping
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2020-05-10 19:15:37	lukelau	wz1000: pong
2020-05-10 19:15:38	lukelau	wz1000: pong
2020-05-10 19:16:20	lukelau	have you already taken a look at lsp-test with your branch?
2020-05-10 19:23:52	wz1000	lukelau: not yet, I did start on it a long time ago with an older version of the patch
2020-05-10 19:24:40	wz1000	so, in lsp-test you use a map to correlate ids with their method to be able to decode their response type, right?
2020-05-10 19:25:16	wz1000	well, we now do something like that in haskell-lsp itself
2020-05-10 19:25:38	wz1000	but I haven't really figured out the correct API to expose this
2020-05-10 19:26:34	wz1000	see https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/2c32c5611ac87b7898c30847eb0c68e3a177148a/haskell-lsp-types/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Types/Message.hs#L476
2020-05-10 19:26:55	lukelau	wz1000: yes
2020-05-10 19:27:07	lukelau	thats great, moving that logic upstream
2020-05-10 19:27:42	wz1000	see also https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/2c32c5611ac87b7898c30847eb0c68e3a177148a/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Core.hs#L528
2020-05-10 19:28:00	wz1000	You're meant to use the new IxMap type to maintain this mapping
2020-05-10 19:28:33	wz1000	but I'm not sure about a nice API for this. I expect it to develop once we try to use this in lsp-test
2020-05-10 19:29:42	wz1000	because until now all the consumers require something slightly different
2020-05-10 19:29:47	wz1000	see https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/2c32c5611ac87b7898c30847eb0c68e3a177148a/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Core.hs#L104
2020-05-10 19:30:02	lukelau	reading it now
2020-05-10 19:30:17	lukelau	sorry i tried to use the /me command earlier to say i was reading it but apparently my irc client doesnt send it
2020-05-10 19:31:31	wz1000	This lets us correlate a (LspId m) with a (SMethod m, ServerResponseHandler m), so when we look up the Id in the map, we get the original method as well as a response handler of the correct type
2020-05-10 19:31:58	wz1000	a response handler is basically Either ResponseError (ResponseParams m) -> IO
2020-05-10 19:37:18	lukelau	ServerResponseHandler is a function parameterised by the method?
2020-05-10 19:38:21	lukelau	ServerResponseHandler :: J.ResponseHandlerFunc m -> ServerResponseHandler m
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2020-05-10 19:45:31	maralorn	test
2020-05-10 19:46:09	maralorn	Ah, hey people! o/
2020-05-10 19:46:38	maralorn	(Sorry for the noise.^^)
2020-05-10 19:46:53	wz1000	lukelau: ServerResponseHandler basically wraps a ResponseHandlerFunc m
2020-05-10 19:47:18	wz1000	it should probably be a newtype
2020-05-10 19:47:50	wz1000	ResponseHandlerFunc is what I mentioned before, the function that accepts Either ReponseError ... -> IO ()
2020-05-10 19:49:12	maralorn	Just a bit curious of the exact relation between haskell-language-server and ghcide right now. Does ghcide development continue and how does that relate to haskell-language-server development? Does haskell-language-server use ghcide for type checking and does that part already work?
2020-05-10 19:51:23	lukelau	wz1000: can i commit to your branch? i needed to add a type parameter to LookupFunc to get it compiling on ghc-8.10
2020-05-10 19:51:44	lukelau	maralorn: hi, yeah ghcide is still being developed
2020-05-10 19:52:01	lukelau	maralorn: and yes haskell-language-server uses ghcide for typechecking etc
2020-05-10 19:52:28	maralorn	So any new features in ghcide end up in the haskell-language-server?
2020-05-10 19:52:34	lukelau	maralorn: yup!
2020-05-10 19:53:08	maralorn	In turn we shouldn‘t expect something like formatting in ghcide, because it will be implemented as a feature to haskell-language-server?
2020-05-10 19:53:20	lukelau	yeah
2020-05-10 19:53:28	lukelau	so ghcide is for the ghc specific stuff
2020-05-10 19:53:35	lukelau	i.e. typechecking and looking up document symbols etc
2020-05-10 19:54:07	lukelau	formatting is done through other plugins, which might use the ghc api, but arent part of ghc itself per say
2020-05-10 19:54:12	lukelau	so haskell-language-server will add those on
2020-05-10 19:54:36	alanz_	maralorn, formatting is already in haskell-language-server. Choice of ormolu, floskell or brittany
2020-05-10 19:55:14	alanz_	lukelau, is your post public yet? I have a feeling it is
2020-05-10 19:55:19	wz1000	lukelau: sent you an invite
2020-05-10 19:55:48	maralorn	alanz_: Sounds great!
2020-05-10 19:55:56	maralorn	I am so exited about this!
2020-05-10 19:56:07	alanz_	us too :)
2020-05-10 19:57:06	alanz_	wz1000, lukelau can we aim for running haskell-lsp in pedantic mode? ie no warnings. I get a whole bunch of unneeded imports compiling master with ghc 8.8.3
2020-05-10 19:57:21	maralorn	Then thanks for the info. And I‘ll stop asking questions and let you progress. I guess I‘ll wait at least for a hackage release before trying it out.
2020-05-10 19:57:23	alanz_	and we need to impose that discipline on mpickering too
2020-05-10 19:57:32	alanz_	no blog posts if warnings found
2020-05-10 19:57:46	alanz_	maralorn, that is unlikely to be before september
2020-05-10 19:57:55	alanz_	at the very earliest
2020-05-10 19:58:11	maralorn	Interesting, why september?^^
2020-05-10 19:58:34	alanz_	well, we have some significant GSOC / Tweag internship stuff going on
2020-05-10 19:58:38	maralorn	alanz_: And you think I should test it earlier?
2020-05-10 19:58:46	alanz_	so hoping for good progress
2020-05-10 19:58:59	maralorn	Ah, makes sense.
2020-05-10 19:59:21	alanz_	maralorn, I  am using it day to day, installing via "./cabal-hls-install hls-8.8.3"
2020-05-10 19:59:40	alanz_	there is a simple selector support in emacs lsp-mode, and vscode
2020-05-10 19:59:46	maralorn	alanz_: Do you think it will work on nixos?^^
2020-05-10 19:59:47	alanz_	so quite easy to get going
2020-05-10 20:00:03	alanz_	maralorn, I doubt it, unless you are some kind of wizard
2020-05-10 20:00:20	alanz_	but that is terra incognita for me
2020-05-10 20:01:31	maralorn	I see.
2020-05-10 20:02:27	maralorn	I think I am very content with using ghcide for the while being and when you release to hackage I will try to get into nixpkgs.
2020-05-10 20:02:45	maralorn	 * I think I am very content with using ghcide for the while being and when you release to hackage I will try to get it into nixpkgs.
2020-05-10 20:06:19	alanz_	ok. I did ping infinisil to give it a go similar to all-hies, we use basically the same model underneath, so it should be possible. Just not a well-documented process at the moment
2020-05-10 20:13:25	maralorn	It depends on the use case. At least for me, I don‘t need support for all ghc versions all the time. So first compiling haskell-language-server with the ghc that is the current standard ghc in nixpkgs and then using it on projects which use that ghc would be totally enough for me.
2020-05-10 20:14:03	maralorn	And at least for ghcide that was in the end not very hard to accomplish.
2020-05-10 20:15:45	fendor	I am using hls on nixos all the time
2020-05-10 20:16:07	fendor	but I built it from source and only use packages compiled with cabal
2020-05-10 20:16:14	fendor	nix is only used for system dependencies
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2020-05-10 21:04:14	Heffalump	I'd really like multi-component cradles and to be able to switch between multiple GHCs. Not sure what the least-painful path for those is at present :_)
2020-05-10 21:17:01	alanz_	Heffalump, haskell-language-server, with the default haskell-language-server-wrapper, and all the various versions of hls installed
2020-05-10 21:17:14	alanz_	so cabal-hls-install hls-8.6.5, etc
2020-05-10 21:35:39	shafox	I am using ghc 883 via ghcup, and installed cabal, when I create a package with cabal init, cabal configure, cabal build, all is ok. However when I run ghcide in the dir, I get "Couldnt find module MyLib. 
2020-05-10 21:36:18	mpickering	shafox: You probably need to specify a hie.yaml file as the implicit project guessing isn't guessing you have a cabal project
2020-05-10 21:36:53	mpickering	having a hie.yaml file is a more robust way of getting things to work
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2020-05-10 21:38:21	shafox	mpickering, may i know where can I find a sample example of  hie.yml for freshly created cabal project ? 
2020-05-10 21:38:40	shafox	I have installed ghcide via cloning the git repo. 
2020-05-10 21:42:33	Heffalump	alanz_: thanks - and the hie plugin for vscode, pointing at haskell-language-server-wrapper?
2020-05-10 21:42:50	lukelau	alanz_: its up!
2020-05-10 21:43:09	lukelau	wz1000: thanks
2020-05-10 21:43:51	lukelau	alanz_: a lot of those warnings are the semigroup/monoid imports for ghc-8.2 (i think)
2020-05-10 21:43:54	fendor	shafox, what do you need? here are some examples https://github.com/mpickering/hie-bios/
2020-05-10 21:43:58	lukelau	But didn’t we drop support for 8.2?
2020-05-10 21:44:09	lukelau	or maybe theyre needed in 8-4?
2020-05-10 21:44:18	fendor	lukelau, yeah we did
2020-05-10 21:44:42	lukelau	im open to turning on pedantic/-Werror anyway for CI
2020-05-10 21:44:46	lukelau	keep things clean
2020-05-10 21:45:08	shafox	fendor, that is what I needed, i guess as per mpickering . 
2020-05-10 21:46:02	fendor	shafox, you want to learn how to write your own hie.yaml?
2020-05-10 21:46:24	shafox	fendor, yes so that ghcide would know all the modules. 
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2020-05-10 21:48:09	fendor	shafox, ok, so, in cabal you have a library, executable, etc... right?
2020-05-10 21:48:17	shafox	fendor, yes. 
2020-05-10 21:49:14	fendor	you can open each one of these "components" in a cabal repl session
2020-05-10 21:49:22	fendor	such as `cabal repl exe:my-main`
2020-05-10 21:49:28	fendor	do you know of that syntax?
2020-05-10 21:50:40	shafox	yes. both, cabal repl and cabal repl exe:myapp works. 
2020-05-10 21:52:04	fendor	exactly
2020-05-10 21:52:40	fendor	so, in a hie.yaml, you provide a mapping from a filepath (directory) to the component that is located in this filepath (directory)
2020-05-10 21:56:09	wz1000	lukelau: I don't get how that ever compiled...
2020-05-10 21:56:25	fendor	shafox, is that unclear?
2020-05-10 21:56:32	shafox	fendor: something like this in hie.yaml: cradle:  cabal:    - path: "./src"      component: "lib:myapp" do I have to mention the exe as well? 
2020-05-10 21:57:12	lukelau	wz1000: maybe its time to nuke dist-newstyle 😛 
2020-05-10 21:57:24	wz1000	Oh, it didn't, I just pushed broken code...
2020-05-10 21:57:47	fendor	shafox, only if you want to load the exe into hls
2020-05-10 21:58:06	lukelau	Stuff seems to compile if I make *ResponseHandler a newtype
2020-05-10 21:58:32	lukelau	I’m trying to wrap my head around the ResponseHandlerFunc stuff at the moment though
2020-05-10 21:58:42	mpickering	wz1000: I see you are learning
2020-05-10 21:58:56	fendor	so, if you want to load, you have add it, too, just in a new `- path: component:`
2020-05-10 21:59:06	mpickering	fendor: Remember that master doesn't support multi yet
2020-05-10 21:59:13	fendor	in ghcide? 
2020-05-10 21:59:14	fendor	oh
2020-05-10 21:59:15	fendor	sorry :D 
2020-05-10 21:59:19	shafox	fendor, oh i got it. the ones I want my editor to work on, lets say i am only working on the lib part then there is no need to enable the exe. Am I correct ?
2020-05-10 21:59:27	fendor	totally forgot about that
2020-05-10 21:59:28	fendor	yeah
2020-05-10 21:59:53	fendor	shafox, ghcide does not support multi-cradles, so please ignore my suggestion
2020-05-10 22:00:20	lukelau	wz1000: why is (ResponseHandlerFunc CustomMethod) a Maybe? I get that there might not be a handler registered for it
2020-05-10 22:00:34	lukelau	But there might not be a handler registered for the other methods
2020-05-10 22:00:53	mpickering	shafox: So you want this `cradle: {cabal: {component: "lib:haskell-ide-engine"}}`
2020-05-10 22:01:18	wz1000	lukelau: Because CustomMethods can be requests or notfications, we don't know which
2020-05-10 22:01:27	wz1000	and it only has a response handler if its a request
2020-05-10 22:01:35	lukelau	Ah right.
2020-05-10 22:02:49	shafox	mpickering, fendor got it. thank you. now ghcide doesnt complain. yay!
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2020-05-10 22:12:30	lukelau	wz1000: woops i thought i had committed my changes, but i didnt have a remote set up for you
2020-05-10 22:13:05	lukelau	wait apparently i did push my changes?
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2020-05-10 22:15:28	lukelau	wz1000 alanz_: i was actually thinking within haskell-lsp, is there a reason why we don’t push the lspfuncs through the Handlers?
2020-05-10 22:15:46	haskell-mad	What version of ghc do you mostly use? Do I need a compiled version of hie for each version of ghc?
2020-05-10 22:16:16	lukelau	haskell-mad: I use ghc-8.10, and unfortunately yes you need a version of hie built with the corresponding ghc
2020-05-10 22:16:43	lukelau	i’m not sure if hie has ghc-8.10 support but haskell-language-server on master should build with 8.10
2020-05-10 22:17:02	haskell-mad	Ah ok, and this works with the vscode plugin currently?
2020-05-10 22:17:14	lukelau	wz1000 alanz_: I recently converted lsp-test’s test suite to use a dummy server and all i really wanted to do was just react to the messages coming in from the client, i.e. using the Handlers
2020-05-10 22:17:34	lukelau	but that meant i needed to use an IORef/mvar to pass the lspfuncs gotten from the initialize response
2020-05-10 22:17:56	lukelau	haskell-mad: yep! the vscode plugin should work with hie hls and ghcide
2020-05-10 22:18:09	lukelau	there’s a little dropdown box you can use to switch between them
2020-05-10 22:18:14	lukelau	in the preferences
2020-05-10 22:19:34	wz1000	lukelau: That might be a good idea
2020-05-10 22:19:46	wz1000	I also have a plan to elminate the Options struct
2020-05-10 22:20:09	lukelau	and move it into something?
2020-05-10 22:21:45	lukelau	My ideal API surface anyway would be something along the lines of
2020-05-10 22:22:21	lukelau	startServer :: Options -> Handlers -> IO LspFuncs
2020-05-10 22:22:52	lukelau	And the Handler in Handlers being
2020-05-10 22:23:11	wz1000	lukelau: no, we just read the response to the initialize request, and then augment it depending on the handlers
2020-05-10 22:23:28	wz1000	There is a little bug in Core.hs
2020-05-10 22:23:43	lukelau	Handler :: forall t (m :: J.Method J.FromClient t). J.SMethod m -> LspFuncs -> Maybe (Handler m)
2020-05-10 22:24:11	wz1000	The user of the API has to make sure to not respond to the initialize request
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2020-05-10 22:24:32	wz1000	because haskell-lsp responds to that
2020-05-10 22:24:40	lukelau	wz1000: yeah, that shouldnt be a handler really
2020-05-10 22:24:56	lukelau	im confused about Options though
2020-05-10 22:25:13	wz1000	lukelau: so my idea is let the api user respond, and then we intercept that response and add stuff to it depending on the handlers
2020-05-10 22:25:35	wz1000	so instead of Options, they will simply indicate the options they want in the response to the intialize
2020-05-10 22:25:57	wz1000	and haskell-lsp will augment that response with whatever details the user hasn't filled it already
2020-05-10 22:26:11	lukelau	Right, because options gets converted into an initializeresponse message anyway
2020-05-10 22:26:16	wz1000	yeah
2020-05-10 22:26:28	lukelau	Doing it implicitly is kind of hairy though
2020-05-10 22:26:42	wz1000	we are already doing it kind of implicitly
2020-05-10 22:26:52	lukelau	true
2020-05-10 22:26:55	wz1000	by expecting the user to not respond to an initialize themselves
2020-05-10 22:27:34	wz1000	or we can simply expose a helper function returns a default initialize response and takes the handlers as a param
2020-05-10 22:28:01	lukelau	so currently haskell-lsp doesn’t actually support users responding to the initialize request themselves right?
2020-05-10 22:28:32	wz1000	yes
2020-05-10 22:28:37	wz1000	it doesn't
2020-05-10 22:28:38	lukelau	I think that responding to the initialize request is something that haskell-lsp itself should take care of rather than the user
2020-05-10 22:29:05	wz1000	hmm. so add a special case in ClientResponseHandler for Initialize?
2020-05-10 22:29:05	lukelau	because the library can work out the *correct* response based on the handlers that the user gave it
2020-05-10 22:29:24	lukelau	yeah, something that doesnt let the user send a response
2020-05-10 22:29:34	wz1000	you can just make it ()
2020-05-10 22:29:40	lukelau	like a notification
2020-05-10 22:29:44	wz1000	yeah
2020-05-10 22:29:55	lukelau	but they can still poke about and look at the init request if they want to
2020-05-10 22:30:36	wz1000	hmm
2020-05-10 22:30:36	lukelau	im going to take a quick scan of the initialize request to see if there really is nothing that the user will want to manually configure
2020-05-10 22:30:54	wz1000	I think the manual configuration is done via Options?
2020-05-10 22:31:07	lukelau	yeah
2020-05-10 22:31:21	lukelau	thats the stuff that the user/author of the language server will need to decide
2020-05-10 22:31:46	lukelau	ok yeah so the initializeresponse is literally just capabilities
2020-05-10 22:31:57	lukelau	plus a serverinfo field
2020-05-10 22:32:27	lukelau	capabilities are made up of what Handlers the user has provided and Options
2020-05-10 22:33:24	lukelau	I guess it does feel slightly redundant to have capabilities defined inside haskell-lsp-types, and also in Options inside haskell-lsp
2020-05-10 22:34:01	lukelau	because then whenever a new capability is created we need to see if we can deduce it based on the handlers or if we need to add it to Options
2020-05-10 22:34:12	lukelau	*a new capability is added to the spec
2020-05-10 22:34:48	lukelau	Actually
2020-05-10 22:34:55	lukelau	Can we move the Options into the Handlers?
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2020-05-10 22:36:31	lukelau	E.g. the handler for codeactions would also contain “CodeActionOptions” from the spec
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2020-05-10 22:37:11	lukelau	Hm but then not all Options/ServerCapabilities are tied to requests
2020-05-10 22:37:18	lukelau	e.g. textDocumentSync
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2020-05-10 22:40:37	alanz_	lukelau, the original idea was that LspFuncs was just one or two things, including the send function, and the handlers were not supposed to see them
2020-05-10 22:41:20	alanz_	in the meantime, it has turned into a kitchen sink, which gets plumbed through everywhere in hie/ghcide/hls anyway. So maybe we *should* just accept reality
2020-05-10 22:41:39	alanz_	another assault on any form of layering
2020-05-10 22:41:48	lukelau	alanz_: Yeah i remember lspfuncs felt pretty “internal”
2020-05-10 22:42:00	alanz_	it was intended to be that
2020-05-10 22:42:22	lukelau	Maybe what we should do instead is separate the parts we actually do want to expose
2020-05-10 22:42:39	alanz_	I think maintaining layering needs endless vigilance, and a vision. We currently have two conflicting visions in the code, my original and the current one. And mine is fading
2020-05-10 22:43:00	alanz_	lukelau, that would make sense.
2020-05-10 22:43:17	alanz_	especially now that there is a major refactoring in the offing
2020-05-10 22:43:29	lukelau	I think its a vision worth trying to maintain at bit
2020-05-10 22:43:37	alanz_	which will lead to a major version bump
2020-05-10 22:43:44	lukelau	so freedom to break everything :D
2020-05-10 22:44:39	alanz_	It makes me a little sad, functional programming offers great facilities to separate things out, layer them, enforce that. But real works programming seems to instantly reach for IORefs, MVars, etc and we are back in the global variable zoe
2020-05-10 22:44:41	alanz_	zone
2020-05-10 22:45:12	lukelau	agreed. my heart sank a little bit when i had to reach for the ioref when writting that dummy server
2020-05-10 22:45:12	alanz_	I guess there is a *little* more discipline around access to them, but still.
2020-05-10 22:46:01	lukelau	actually is there a reason why our handlers for requests dont just have the type `requestparams -> IO response`
2020-05-10 22:46:26	lukelau	we could get rid of a lot of the need for the stuff inside lspfuncs if the Handlers provided more to work with
2020-05-10 22:46:33	wz1000	lukelau: because that forces it to be synchronous
2020-05-10 22:46:50	lukelau	argh, yeah
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2020-05-10 22:47:09	lukelau	need to head for a bit
2020-05-10 22:51:02	wz1000	mpickering: making me teach haddock about the evidence stuff was a good idea
2020-05-10 22:51:22	wz1000	found a bug in getEvidenceTree - it doesn't handle polymorphic recursion
2020-05-10 22:51:51	wz1000	It had written out a 13 gb html file before I realized
2020-05-10 22:52:22	mpickering	a properly sized file unlike your tiny /tmp/sqltrace ones
2020-05-10 22:52:40	wz1000	also I'm apparently the only one using polymorphic recursion in GHC
2020-05-10 22:52:57	wz1000	because the file was Iface/Ext/Ast.hs lol
2020-05-10 22:53:16	wz1000	mpickering: check it out: http://78.47.113.11/docs/html/libraries/
2020-05-10 22:53:33	wz1000	the rest of the docs that build successfully
2020-05-10 22:54:02	wz1000	the hover is a bit fiddly, but html was never my strong suit
2020-05-10 22:54:34	mpickering	how do I do it?
2020-05-10 22:55:08	wz1000	hover over something that should needs typeclass evidence
2020-05-10 22:55:20	wz1000	in src/
2020-05-10 22:55:26	mpickering	ok
2020-05-10 22:55:29	mpickering	I see
2020-05-10 22:56:49	mpickering	Is this evidence bound by a let thing ever useful?
2020-05-10 22:57:46	wz1000	its useful for figuring out the rest of the instancees you need
2020-05-10 22:57:50	mpickering	Right I am convinced this works
2020-05-10 22:58:00	mpickering	fix the bug and I will approve it
2020-05-10 22:58:32	wz1000	yay
2020-05-10 22:59:02	mpickering	Next question
2020-05-10 22:59:07	wz1000	mpickering: do you want the haddock changes along with it or as a separate PR?
2020-05-10 22:59:12	mpickering	separate
2020-05-10 22:59:31	mpickering	Next question, can you right click an instance and make find references work properly?
2020-05-10 22:59:37	mpickering	ie only show references which use that instance
2020-05-10 22:59:48	wz1000	I think so
2020-05-10 23:00:00	wz1000	It's theoretically possible
2020-05-10 23:00:06	wz1000	will be a bit of work though
2020-05-10 23:00:15	wz1000	since we have to look through indirection
2020-05-10 23:01:05	mpickering	bgamari says, wow, good job I spent $5 on this
2020-05-10 23:01:07	wz1000	mpickering: do you like my css change to haddock? when you click a link it highlights the target now
2020-05-10 23:01:22	mpickering	yeah apart from that didn't work for me and highlighted the whole file
2020-05-10 23:01:59	wz1000	yeah sometimes it doesn't
2020-05-10 23:03:14	bgamari	that happened to me once as well
2020-05-10 23:03:26	wz1000	mpickering: it should usually work for `Instance`, but might not work for lets
2020-05-10 23:03:31	wz1000	atleast hopefully
2020-05-10 23:03:46	wz1000	http://78.47.113.11/docs/html/libraries/base/src/Data.Bits.html#%24fFiniteBitsWord
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2020-05-10 23:54:54	Heffalump	yay, multi components working fo rme
2020-05-10 23:57:39	alanz_	Heffalump, good to hear
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2020-05-10 23:58:26	Heffalump	and it was very easy. Just trying multi-ghc now.
2020-05-11 00:02:28	wz1000	mpickering: how do you imagine the find references ui working in vscode?
2020-05-11 00:03:22	wz1000	if you find references on show [1] do you show references for Show [], Show Int, either, both?
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2020-05-11 00:03:42	wz1000	what if the user really just wants references for show
2020-05-11 00:04:23	mpickering	all references for show
2020-05-11 00:04:31	mpickering	but sorted so the ones for the same type are first
2020-05-11 00:04:46	wz1000	same type is [Int],Int or []?
2020-05-11 00:04:59	wz1000	or in something like that order?
2020-05-11 00:05:09	mpickering	some sensible order
2020-05-11 00:05:33	mpickering	If I right click a type class method to find all references I am expected to see them all I think
2020-05-11 00:05:38	mpickering	*expecting
2020-05-11 00:06:04	mpickering	Yeah it's not clear what a good UI is
2020-05-11 00:06:23	wz1000	maybe you can jump to the implementation
2020-05-11 00:06:38	wz1000	and then right click on the instance head to find references for that particular instance
2020-05-11 00:07:07	mpickering	anything complicated is bad
2020-05-11 00:07:13	mpickering	it has to be easy to understand what should happen
2020-05-11 00:08:03	wz1000	maybe we can expose it as custom commands if we find someone willing to write typescript
2020-05-11 00:08:28	mpickering	A lot of people commented about dante and haskell-mode and so one
2020-05-11 00:08:39	mpickering	but they only work with emacs 
2020-05-11 00:09:02	mpickering	and if you tried to make dante for example work on GHC it would use all your memory
2020-05-11 00:09:12	wz1000	isn't it just ghci?
2020-05-11 00:09:16	mpickering	yeah
2020-05-11 00:09:23	mpickering	and also the intellij stuff only works with stack
2020-05-11 00:09:38	mpickering	this stuff needs to be clarified in future posts that we are build-tool agnostic
2020-05-11 00:09:44	mpickering	and editor-agnostic
2020-05-11 00:11:26	mpickering	Zubin, tweag should have paid you to write xmonad configs for them
2020-05-11 00:12:04	Heffalump	for one project I had to change the config for ghcide to set a max heap size with an RTS flag, otherwise I kept ending up with 20G processes. I guess I'll have to figure out how to hack the hls wrapper to do that too :-)
2020-05-11 00:12:19	mpickering	Heffalump: Are you using template haskell?
2020-05-11 00:12:34	Heffalump	mpickering: no, just some really heavy type-level programming
2020-05-11 00:12:43	mpickering	Public code?
2020-05-11 00:12:50	mpickering	should not be taking that much memor
2020-05-11 00:13:02	Heffalump	unfortunately not, it's my personal finances
2020-05-11 00:13:03	mpickering	and how long ago was this?
2020-05-11 00:13:08	mpickering	classic
2020-05-11 00:13:12	Heffalump	last few weeks, GHC 8.6.5
2020-05-11 00:13:29	mpickering	I was just having a conversation with my friend who was modelling his finances with a Haskell program..
2020-05-11 00:13:37	Heffalump	I could probably obfuscate it with a few days work, if it's really useful to you.
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2020-05-11 00:13:47	mpickering	How many modules do you have?
2020-05-11 00:13:51	Heffalump	(few days not continuous, just few days worth of spare time)
2020-05-11 00:13:54	Heffalump	~140
2020-05-11 00:14:10	mpickering	so I am loading GHC in a lot less memory than that
2020-05-11 00:14:30	Heffalump	I'm pretty certain it's the type-checker getting a serious headache on my code.
2020-05-11 00:14:48	mpickering	perhaps you should limit -j?
2020-05-11 00:14:52	Heffalump	for example I have a type-level map to keep track of the different accounts statically, and it has ~20 elements.
2020-05-11 00:15:02	Heffalump	I don't think it's ever using more than one core
2020-05-11 00:15:12	mpickering	Or you should contract Csongor to optimise your type level programs for you..
2020-05-11 00:15:20	mpickering	add a new file to account for that expense
2020-05-11 00:15:24	Heffalump	tempting :-)
2020-05-11 00:15:42	mpickering	does GHC take that much memory as well?
2020-05-11 00:15:47	mpickering	if it does then I don't care as much ha :) 
2020-05-11 00:16:02	Heffalump	I don't think it does, I think ghcide was leaking it over time.
2020-05-11 00:16:32	Heffalump	I'll check now
2020-05-11 00:17:22	Heffalump	(be a little while because I did a cabal update to install hls, so now my cashflow program is rebuilding lots of stuff too)
2020-05-11 00:19:16	wz1000	mpickering: hah, I think I might have one of the most advanced xmonad configs in the world. mostly useless for anyone who is not me though
2020-05-11 00:19:58	alanz_	fendor, jneira how did we end up having to do https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/pull/1768?
2020-05-11 00:21:36	fendor	alanz_, I am pretty sure I did that 0.o
2020-05-11 00:22:35	fendor	uh... I must have messed something up... I dont know, but the CI was "greenish" e.g. it could build iirc?
2020-05-11 00:22:49	alanz_	are we not running CI? or ignoring it because of the windows CI stuff
2020-05-11 00:23:10	alanz_	I think we need to explictly mark those "allow fail", so we have a clear signal again from CI
2020-05-11 00:23:13	fendor	we are ignoring some of it because unit tests failed
2020-05-11 00:23:31	fendor	look https://circleci.com/gh/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/13788?utm_campaign=vcs-integration-link&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=github-build-link
2020-05-11 00:23:39	fendor	it did build T_T
2020-05-11 00:24:32	alanz_	Hmm, it was the first thing I tested after updating to cabal-install 3.2.  I wonder if that is related.
2020-05-11 00:24:50	fendor	but I admit, the hackage-index looks wrong
2020-05-11 00:24:51	alanz_	and the failure is explicitly GHC 8.8.3
2020-05-11 00:25:32	alanz_	hie-bios by fendor at 2020-05-08T13:46:21Z
2020-05-11 00:25:42	alanz_	(from hackage)
2020-05-11 00:25:53	fendor	yeah, I mean the index-state in our cabal.project looks older
2020-05-11 00:26:12	fendor	apparently I only looked at stack CI T_T
2020-05-11 00:26:14	alanz_	definitely
2020-05-11 00:26:47	alanz_	I think the "draft" version from the prior git install probably masked it, for that build that passed
2020-05-11 00:26:47	fendor	sorry, my bad 
2020-05-11 00:26:56	fendor	no, I messed up apparently
2020-05-11 00:27:16	alanz_	I think it is more our system is out of whack
2020-05-11 00:27:42	alanz_	It it is important to get back to merging on a clear signal, green CI
2020-05-11 00:28:09	alanz_	not some sort of interpretation of what the CI failures mean, and if we can ignore them. Secret knowledge
2020-05-11 00:28:48	Heffalump	I have really struggled with keeping CI green on almost every significant sized project I've worked on
2020-05-11 00:28:49	fendor	alanz_, ndmitchell will fix CI for us :D the failing unit-tests is caused by haddock updates to base
2020-05-11 00:29:28	alanz_	Heffalump, its a worthy cause though, lets you move forward with an understandable change process
2020-05-11 00:29:41	Heffalump	alanz_: absolutely. That's why I've struggled rather than giving up :-)
2020-05-11 00:29:56	alanz_	fendor, we should mark those tests "pendingWith", and create an issue
2020-05-11 00:29:58	Heffalump	mpickering: single clean GHC invocation tops out at 4.5GB on this project
2020-05-11 00:30:03	alanz_	rather than looking the other way on CI
2020-05-11 00:30:11	fendor	alanz_, I created an issue
2020-05-11 00:30:19	alanz_	:+1:
2020-05-11 00:30:29	Heffalump	marking them as "known failing" within the repo is the most useful approach I've found
2020-05-11 00:30:39	Heffalump	so that people running locally know what's going on too
2020-05-11 00:31:20	alanz_	agree. But CI has to understand that too.
2020-05-11 00:31:34	Heffalump	of course - but CI should be running the same script users can run locally
2020-05-11 00:31:49	alanz_	yes
2020-05-11 00:31:51	alanz_	true
2020-05-11 00:31:55	Heffalump	what's more tempting is to use whatever mechanism CI has for muting failures, which then isn't reflected locally
2020-05-11 00:32:05	alanz_	do you have some examples you can point out for us?
2020-05-11 00:32:32	mpickering	Heffalump: Ok, sounds unusual that it is leaking because it is doing a lot of typechecking
2020-05-11 00:32:35	Heffalump	in darcs we move a known-failing test to be named "failing-XXX.sh", and our test runner knows about those names
2020-05-11 00:32:54	Heffalump	that said, we don't have CI for darcs :-)
2020-05-11 00:32:56	alanz_	when in rome, ...
2020-05-11 00:32:56	mpickering	after how long does it use this much memory?
2020-05-11 00:33:13	Heffalump	mpickering: can't remember exactly. Several times a day when I was working on it actively.
2020-05-11 00:33:15	alanz_	ghcide has something like that, iirc
2020-05-11 00:33:34	mpickering	I did fix some leaks in a recent PR
2020-05-11 00:33:47	mpickering	anyway if there's a repro then it's not a lot of effort to diagnose it
2020-05-11 00:33:57	mpickering	if there's no repro, then it's impossible 
2020-05-11 00:34:08	Heffalump	mpickering: to ghcide specifically? If so I might get the benefit from having updated recently when moving to hls. And my +RTS option will have disappeared now, so I won't try to reinstate it for now.
2020-05-11 00:35:03	Heffalump	ok, I'll try to make a public repro if it does happen again. Or maybe with some lighter obfuscation I could make something I am happy to share with you but not publicly, would that be helpful?
2020-05-11 00:37:59	mpickering	sure, I'll sign an NDA if you like :)
2020-05-11 00:38:09	Heffalump	I think I can manage without that :_)
2020-05-11 00:38:36	mpickering	Yes to ghcide, there was a quadratic leak in the number of edits
2020-05-11 00:38:54	mpickering	so if you got past 1000 edits say memory usage started going up quite sharply
2020-05-11 00:38:57	Heffalump	you only need to be able to build it, not run it, I guess? I think I'd really just need to remove my salary and all the checked-in bank statements really.
2020-05-11 00:38:59	mpickering	that patch is in the hls branch you are using now
2020-05-11 00:39:14	mpickering	yeah
2020-05-11 00:39:39	mpickering	I will just do something like start it and run a script to simulate 1000 edits or something
2020-05-11 00:39:45	mpickering	probably don't even need to look at the source code
2020-05-11 00:41:36	alanz_	mpickering, I am breaking out your stuff from exe into an internal lib in ghcide (PR coming). I am provisionally calling the lib ghcide-rules. Do you have another suggestion?
2020-05-11 00:41:39	alanz_	anyone?
2020-05-11 00:42:31	wz1000	why create a new lib?
2020-05-11 00:42:45	alanz_	fendor, jneira I am leaving the decision on implicit-hie integration to you guys
2020-05-11 00:43:21	alanz_	wz1000, because it is all inside Main.exe at the moment, so updating ghcide means a manual merge of the changes into hls Main.hs each time
2020-05-11 00:43:47	alanz_	Main.hs should eventually just be a tiny thing, that says what plugins to use, and one or two other things
2020-05-11 00:43:55	wz1000	yes, but can't you move it into the ghcide lib?
2020-05-11 00:44:06	wz1000	instead of a new one?
2020-05-11 00:44:29	alanz_	no, because that is used by DA for their DAML stuff, and this is specific to GHC and its environment. At the moment
2020-05-11 00:45:08	wz1000	hmm
2020-05-11 00:45:15	alanz_	See discussion in https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide/issues/478
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2020-05-11 01:01:19	fendor	alanz_, thank you. For now, I dont know whether we should merge it
2020-05-11 01:01:50	fendor	the scope seems unclear and I dont see any real advantage over cabal-helper. Again, maybe as a code-action and external lib
2020-05-11 01:02:38	alanz_	to me the only possible advantage is that it exists now. The thing that worries me is it triggers a flood of issues.  I am on the fence
2020-05-11 01:03:36	fendor	it doesnt handle any of the interesting cases and to be honest, when cabal finally merges my fix, the cradle: cabal: hie.yaml will cover any simple use-case
2020-05-11 01:03:59	fendor	and stack also handles most of the boring cases, and no stack.yaml is parsed, etc...
2020-05-11 01:04:36	alanz_	ok, happy to wait then.
2020-05-11 01:05:03	fendor	the only visible advantage for me is, that issues might get fixed sooner than with cabal-helper. But I also cant imagine that it can handle most of the cases that cabal-helper can
2020-05-11 01:05:04	alanz_	band-aids tend to cause more trouble in the long run. They become hard to remove
2020-05-11 01:05:16	fendor	E.g., cabal-helper can easily handle the hls and hie code-base, implicit hie does not
2020-05-11 01:05:23	alanz_	how far are we from being able to offer the c-h solution?
2020-05-11 01:05:52	fendor	what is the c-h solution?
2020-05-11 01:06:07	fendor	the cradle? i can do it today if we really want it
2020-05-11 01:06:12	alanz_	cabal-helper. tired of typing
2020-05-11 01:07:00	alanz_	I have not beein following the technical details. Does this mean it can do implicit configuration?
2020-05-11 01:07:14	fendor	due to the cradle abstraction, unless i did something wrong, using c-h is pretty much trivial
2020-05-11 01:07:15	fendor	yeah
2020-05-11 01:07:18	fendor	it does
2020-05-11 01:07:46	alanz_	is there any reason it is not made available in hls? apart from just putting it in?
2020-05-11 01:08:08	alanz_	ie waiting for cabal, or some other dependency?
2020-05-11 01:08:18	fendor	no, i dont think so
2020-05-11 01:08:48	alanz_	well, when you are not busy with something else, it would be really useful for average users to have that
2020-05-11 01:09:39	fendor	i am waiting for my nixos installation, maybe i can do it while waiting for a download
2020-05-11 01:10:41	alanz_	that would be awesome.
2020-05-11 01:11:17	alanz_	we sit on the developer side, do not always understand how things that seem easy to use can make a huge difference for our users
2020-05-11 01:11:33	alanz_	and this is something that can make a huge difference.
2020-05-11 01:12:41	fendor	I know, but c-h is pretty much broken with stack projects
2020-05-11 01:13:12	fendor	Ill port it over
2020-05-11 01:13:18	fendor	changes should be minimal, iirc
2020-05-11 01:13:48	Heffalump	for the record I was very impressed with how easy cabal-hls-install makes things (though it doesn't seem to support -w to point to a new GHC well, I had to change my PATH in the end)
2020-05-11 01:14:29	fendor	Heffalump, yeah, it doesnt, sorry. That is inherit to how cabal-script work, there is an issue for that in the pipeline, but I doubt it will make it into cabal 3.4
2020-05-11 01:15:07	jneira	i dont have a strong opinion about hie-implicit vs cabal-helper, sorry
2020-05-11 01:15:08	alanz_	fendor, so there is a tradeoff between good stack support and good implicit cradle support?
2020-05-11 01:15:49	jneira	i added cabal-helper not much ago in one line (with no extensible testing but it worked for hls itself and other projects)
2020-05-11 01:15:56	fendor	alanz_, idk, I think it is a bug, but I have never dived into the details.
2020-05-11 01:16:21	fendor	jneira, didnt you do the pr? Just some changes from hie must be ported over
2020-05-11 01:16:31	jneira	yeah
2020-05-11 01:16:43	alanz_	fendor, a bug in cabal-helper?
2020-05-11 01:17:32	fendor	alanz_, I dont know. It doesnt seem like it is always c-h's fault, but we have so many open issues https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/labels/component%3A%20cabal-helper
2020-05-11 01:17:44	jneira	and lately we've spent some time in c-h, fixing some bugs
2020-05-11 01:18:03	fendor	annoying is this: https://github.com/haskell/haskell-ide-engine/issues/1608
2020-05-11 01:18:27	fendor	jneira, I think you fixed #1568, right?
2020-05-11 01:19:39	alanz_	fendor, ok, lets let it bake a bit longer then
2020-05-11 01:20:32	jneira	fendor: uh, not sure
2020-05-11 01:21:01	fendor	jneira, I think this did: https://github.com/DanielG/cabal-helper/pull/108
2020-05-11 01:21:09	fendor	did that make it into the release?
2020-05-11 01:21:32	jneira	oh yeah dxld dit it
2020-05-11 01:21:52	jneira	like almost all others :-)
2020-05-11 01:22:12	jneira	fendor: i think so
2020-05-11 01:22:35	jneira	he fixed the issue with repository-source-packages in cabal.project too
2020-05-11 01:22:55	fendor	oh yeah, that is nice
2020-05-11 01:23:32	fendor	alright, if we fixed #1608, I think I would not be so frustrated by c-h
2020-05-11 01:23:50	jneira	otoh i've tested implicit-hie and it produces nice hie.yaml's at a first glance
2020-05-11 01:24:53	jneira	i am with fendor: i will add it as a code action first, make it clear that it is an option and suggest it as workaround to create hie.yaml's and see how it is going
2020-05-11 01:24:57	fendor	but does it any more complex case? In my experience, cabal-helper works really nice with cabal
2020-05-11 01:25:20	fendor	*handle any more
2020-05-11 01:25:56	alanz_	having it as a code action is a good idea. How would it get triggered though?
2020-05-11 01:26:21	alanz_	it is a chicken and egg situation.
2020-05-11 01:26:25	alanz_	maybe a CLI option?
2020-05-11 01:26:42	fendor	are we opening hie on *.cabal files already?
2020-05-11 01:26:44	fendor	*hls
2020-05-11 01:26:45	alanz_	or even a separate standalone utility?
2020-05-11 01:27:04	fendor	could be a code-lens on the top of a cabal file
2020-05-11 01:27:07	alanz_	fendor, we should be, in time. So now might be the time to do that
2020-05-11 01:27:09	alanz_	agree
2020-05-11 01:27:23	fendor	show what it would generate, it is actually a perfect fit, imo
2020-05-11 01:27:45	jneira	yeah
2020-05-11 01:28:19	jneira	i think it could be added to ghcide, i think they want to have something alike
2020-05-11 01:28:42	alanz_	Great. So maybe give some feedback on the issue? I think the author would be up for doing that
2020-05-11 01:29:20	fendor	jneira, so, we merge your c-h pr? I think there is one pr missing from c-h
2020-05-11 01:29:33	fendor	also, how does hls-wrapper work at the moment?
2020-05-11 01:29:41	alanz_	jneira, they want to keep their base clean of unrelated stuff. I suggest we put it in hls, see how it works, and then there can be a decision around ghcide
2020-05-11 01:29:54	jneira	:+1:
2020-05-11 01:30:02	alanz_	hls-wrapper is basically a clone of hie-wrapper
2020-05-11 01:30:15	fendor	ok, so, just changing cradle loading should work
2020-05-11 01:30:25	alanz_	perhaps it should be updated to use the ghc-check too
2020-05-11 01:31:10	fendor	but our stuff works very nicely O:)
2020-05-11 01:31:15	jneira	fendor: yeah, take a look to https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/68
2020-05-11 01:31:33	jneira	btw I have shaved my beard
2020-05-11 01:31:54	jneira	:-D
2020-05-11 01:32:05	fendor	jneira, yeah that looks great. Just Cradle.hs needs some update, iirc
2020-05-11 01:32:10	fendor	oh no, no quarantine beard anymore? :)
2020-05-11 01:32:13	jneira	sure
2020-05-11 01:32:39	jneira	it did not fit well inside the mask :-P
2020-05-11 01:33:16	jneira	but i would wait to implicit-hie author feedback
2020-05-11 01:33:28	jneira	for merging #68
2020-05-11 01:34:22	fendor	ok. I will write something up, tomorrow.
2020-05-11 01:37:44	jneira	:+1:
2020-05-11 01:41:57	alanz_	it seems ndm and the other guys want to start reinventing the wheel wrt the knowledge in cabal-helper
2020-05-11 01:42:52	alanz_	I reckon we follow our path, they can follow a different one if they choose, and it will all wash out when the upstream support in cabal and stack
2020-05-11 01:45:12	jneira	well c-h has a weak point in the compiling at runtime thing to link the appropiate  Cabal version 
2020-05-11 01:45:56	alanz_	but we only trigger it for implicit config?
2020-05-11 01:46:58	jneira	mmm i think it is already triggered in hls-wrapper to query the ghc version used in the project
2020-05-11 01:47:13	jneira	(maybe fendor can confirm it without see the source)
2020-05-11 01:48:02	fendor	it is only triggered in implicit config
2020-05-11 01:48:18	fendor	with an explicit hie.yaml, you dont have to build Cabal and link it at runtime
2020-05-11 01:48:18	jneira	oh, i have to review the code of the wrapper then
2020-05-11 01:48:44	fendor	well obviously not, if we find a hie.yaml, we do not even query c-h for a cradle
2020-05-11 01:49:54	jneira	so getProjectGhcVersion does not trigger the runtime compilation???
2020-05-11 01:49:58	fendor	no
2020-05-11 01:50:10	fendor	only if it is a cabal-helper cradle
2020-05-11 01:50:32	fendor	then already loading finding the cradle should trigger the installation
2020-05-11 01:50:40	fendor	because we look at packages
2020-05-11 01:51:10	jneira	ok, nothing better than talk with the author ;-)
2020-05-11 01:52:37	fendor	hehe :) if it is different, it is a bug
2020-05-11 01:52:45	fendor	my excuse :D 
2020-05-11 01:52:56	jneira	but getProjectGhcVersion  always uses the cabal-helper cradle , no?
2020-05-11 01:53:07	jneira	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/blob/5570da98ac51cdd71a7b82b7c3538d2f892332c6/src/Ide/Version.hs#L38
2020-05-11 01:53:59	fendor	no that means, that it *could* be a cabal-helper cradle
2020-05-11 01:54:15	fendor	the parameter of `Cradle` is the extension of the cradle-type
2020-05-11 01:54:27	fendor	e.g. it could be one of the standard cradles, OR a cabal-helper cradle
2020-05-11 01:54:36	jneira	ah i thought the type meant that 
2020-05-11 01:54:54	jneira	yeah, wrapper uses findLocalCradle
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2020-05-11 01:56:37	jneira	so only in the absence of explicit hie.yaml we already were using c-h and compiling Cabal at runtime
2020-05-11 01:56:49	fendor	in the wrapper, I think so, yeah
2020-05-11 01:56:56	fendor	do you think the type `Cradle CabalHelper` is bad?
2020-05-11 01:57:03	fendor	maybe hie-bios should not have native cradles and others
2020-05-11 01:57:15	fendor	but only others and offer a type for the natively supported ones
2020-05-11 02:09:27	alanz_	dman. https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/105#issuecomment-626386183
2020-05-11 02:10:44	jneira	fendor: well it is not bad, but i forgot you can get a `Cradle Cabal-Helper` using `fmap vacuous`  
2020-05-11 02:11:07	alanz_	and further damn. https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/issues/5#issuecomment-582516936
2020-05-11 02:11:44	alanz_	I think we had a discussion on this channel? or email? and decided to go with hspec.
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2020-05-11 02:13:07	alanz_	jeffwindsor, hi
2020-05-11 02:13:29	jeffwindsor	alanz_, hey .... lol so out with tasty,
2020-05-11 02:13:55	alanz_	I am just looking for where the decision conversation happened. I think it was here, and I did not update anythiong
2020-05-11 02:14:04	alanz_	to reflect.
2020-05-11 02:14:24	jeffwindsor	ahh no worries, it happens.  I was not super able to keep up with the forum
2020-05-11 02:14:44	jeffwindsor	do you still want me to move the tests, but keep them hspec?  or maybe help with some other tickets?
2020-05-11 02:15:27	alanz_	we still want to move the rest of the tests over, and get them to work.
2020-05-11 02:15:45	alanz_	how hard was it to change them to use tasty?
2020-05-11 02:16:03	alanz_	(not having looked at the PR details)
2020-05-11 02:16:26	jeffwindsor	not hard, just a bit of copy and paste, text wrangling
2020-05-11 02:16:55	jeffwindsor	ported over some `should` functions
2020-05-11 02:17:20	alanz_	so how hard to undo it, keep what we have?  You must have seen we actually have a test suite, based on hspec?
2020-05-11 02:17:30	jeffwindsor	made sure all the local imports were pointing to the right places `Haskell.Ide..` for examepl
2020-05-11 02:17:34	jeffwindsor	but not much else
2020-05-11 02:18:14	jeffwindsor	yes, i noticed that
2020-05-11 02:18:36	jeffwindsor	I can work to make it hspec again without to much trouble
2020-05-11 02:19:01	jeffwindsor	if that is what the direction is, it may not be until later next week though.  does that fit in the time line?
2020-05-11 02:19:38	alanz_	if you dont mind. Otherwise there may be a top-level incantation to invoke the tasty tests under hspec? My main need is to be able to have a decent test rerun by regex feature
2020-05-11 02:21:10	jeffwindsor	sure, all good.  If anything changes just let me know on the ticket for #5 and I should be able to make those changes soon
2020-05-11 02:21:37	jeffwindsor	better to get it all consistent now
2020-05-11 02:22:09	alanz_	agree. And thanks for tackling the tests, they are vital for being able to make changes safely
2020-05-11 02:22:31	alanz_	I hope you got to learn a bit about the features in hie/ghcide/hls in the process
2020-05-11 02:25:05	jneira	i think  maybe it is time to setup the ci  
2020-05-11 02:25:47	jneira	what do you think in translate the azure config from hie/ghcide?
2020-05-11 02:26:32	jneira	but you know, it is hard to keep it green (as discussed here)
2020-05-11 02:26:34	alanz_	jneira, good idea. So long as we dont have all the false positives giving us "ignorable failure"
2020-05-11 02:26:39	jeffwindsor	alanz_, getting there one session at a time
2020-05-11 02:26:47	alanz_	good
2020-05-11 02:27:22	alanz_	jneira, maybe we should run circle and azure, and depend on circle for go/nogo, and azure for pointers to windows problems?
2020-05-11 02:27:25	jneira	i will focus in less jobs, choosing carefully them 
2020-05-11 02:27:28	jeffwindsor	any other wants or constraints in using hspec?
2020-05-11 02:27:50	alanz_	jeffwindsor, the junit output, we have in hie, and I think I brought over?
2020-05-11 02:28:06	alanz_	it is useful for CI that supports it, like circleCI
2020-05-11 02:28:31	jeffwindsor	ok, will look at that 
2020-05-11 02:28:43	jneira	alanz_ no linux jobs in azure then (but maybe we can have macos ones?)
2020-05-11 02:29:23	jneira	windows usually are causing more problems :-(
2020-05-11 02:29:31	alanz_	jneira, I just want a clear signal for merge/no merge for PRs.
2020-05-11 02:29:33	jneira	windows jobs
2020-05-11 02:29:52	alanz_	additional tests can run, but we should be able to flag them as "can fail"
2020-05-11 02:30:12	alanz_	which is possible for some CI providers, I presume for most/all?
2020-05-11 02:30:29	jneira	yeah
2020-05-11 02:31:20	jneira	in azure too 
2020-05-11 02:31:50	alanz_	https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/devops/pipelines/test/flaky-test-management?view=azure-devops
2020-05-11 02:33:42	jneira	mm interesting
2020-05-11 02:34:41	jneira	in ghcide f.e. there is a `stack test || stack test || stack test`.. up to  three!
2020-05-11 02:34:57	jneira	ainnss
2020-05-11 02:35:56	jneira	i am gonna update the issue about ci 
2020-05-11 02:36:01	alanz_	ok
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2020-05-11 02:45:42	alanz_	TIL: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16937359/git-copy-file-preserving-history#44036771
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2020-05-11 02:59:39	jeffwindsor	alanz_ looking at the pr and the convo with the tasty-runner maintainer.  Is the decision still go back to hspec?
2020-05-11 03:00:35	jeffwindsor	I am ok either way, just want to make sure before I start on it
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2020-05-11 03:10:40	Heffalump	alanz_: it all works because all the file tracking in git is heuristic based :-)
2020-05-11 03:10:41	fendor	oh shit. I totally forgot about that
2020-05-11 03:10:55	fendor	*shoot?
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2020-05-11 03:13:17	fendor	alanz_, what was our decision making regarding hspec? I remember that I dislike the expectations
2020-05-11 03:13:59	fendor	jeffwindsor, I am very sorry for not noticing this earlier
2020-05-11 03:14:30	fendor	alanz_, I remember talking to you about it here in irc
2020-05-11 03:18:13	fendor	maybe we should talk about it again? The new test-suite by jeffwindsor looks totally reasonable to me
2020-05-11 03:19:04	fendor	Also my original issue with tasty turns out to be just wrong, seeing the nicer expectation functions `shouldBe`, etc... everywhere
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2020-05-11 03:20:49	jeffwindsor	i added those into the test util, basically a copy of a portion of https://github.com/hspec/hspec-expectations#readme
2020-05-11 03:21:48	fendor	jeffwindsor, that is nice! I reopened your pr
2020-05-11 03:21:56	fendor	let's open this issue again
2020-05-11 03:22:14	jeffwindsor	ok, I sounds good
2020-05-11 03:22:21	alanz_	jeffwindsor, sorry, was away for a bit
2020-05-11 03:22:45	fendor	you converted everything to tasty, so that would be a full-in on tasty
2020-05-11 03:23:17	fendor	do the tests run?
2020-05-11 03:23:36	fendor	I doubt it, there are a bunch of features that are currently not implemented?
2020-05-11 03:23:41	jeffwindsor	it is all converted and compiles but have not wired in the CI+Runner, nor gotten the local run on the tests to all pass
2020-05-11 03:23:58	fendor	yeah makes sense
2020-05-11 03:25:22	fendor	alanz_, so, do you remember why we decided on hspec? 
2020-05-11 03:26:18	alanz_	yes, as I just commented on the issue
2020-05-11 03:26:29	alanz_	https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/105#issuecomment-626395662
2020-05-11 03:27:16	alanz_	if we can have something like that, I could go with the switch. And tbh, it is going to be you guys working with the tests, so my requirements are not that critical
2020-05-11 03:28:23	fendor	running tests by name is indeed critical, but I can not imagine that tasty wouldnt offer that
2020-05-11 03:28:49	jeffwindsor	and just a side note tasty is fairly agnostic between hpsec and hunit
2020-05-11 03:29:12	jeffwindsor	for example there is this library that allow for hspec "testTrees"
2020-05-11 03:29:15	jeffwindsor	https://github.com/mitchellwrosen/tasty-hspec
2020-05-11 03:29:27	fendor	alanz_, seems like the pattern parameter is named `-p` in tasty
2020-05-11 03:30:34	jeffwindsor	and I am currently using code from https://github.com/hspec/hspec-expectations. for the `shoulds`, but had planned on incorporating that library if it passes muster
2020-05-11 03:31:57	jeffwindsor	on the rerun https://github.com/ocharles/tasty-rerun
2020-05-11 03:32:08	alanz_	fendor, yes, cocreature pointed it out, but the syntax is pretty crappy
2020-05-11 03:33:07	fendor	alanz_, I think it looks sophisticated?
2020-05-11 03:33:23	fendor	jeffwindsor, I would like these nicer hspec expectations :)
2020-05-11 03:34:01	alanz_	there is normally a wrapper availabe
2020-05-11 03:34:15	alanz_	https://hackage.haskell.org/package/tasty-hspec
2020-05-11 03:34:19	fendor	alanz_, I think, it would have been easier to move the hspec tests from hie to hls, but if it is already done... 
2020-05-11 03:35:13	alanz_	As I said, so long as we can get junit output for ci, and a sane way to rerun the tests (ideally with the failing test giving a hint), then I can go with whatever
2020-05-11 03:35:50	alanz_	the original decision was because cocreature did not express a strong preference, and my knowledge was hspec, and I was bringin over hie tests, which were written in hspec
2020-05-11 03:36:15	alanz_	but if the work has been done, and uses the same expectation names as before, it should be fine
2020-05-11 03:36:17	fendor	junit output for ci seems to be existing
2020-05-11 03:36:23	fendor	yeah, I would say so, too
2020-05-11 03:36:42	fendor	I am going to play around with it and we have to mark a lot of the func-tests as broken
2020-05-11 03:37:06	fendor	so we give it a try?
2020-05-11 03:37:53	fendor	also, now would be the perfect time to impose any source code formatting restrictions
2020-05-11 03:38:09	alanz_	I am ok with it if you are. Especially as jeffwindsor has put in the hard yards
2020-05-11 03:38:26	alanz_	and we seem to have the tasty maintainer onside
2020-05-11 03:38:33	alanz_	as a coach/helper
2020-05-11 03:39:06	mpickering	does anyone know why completions are broken in hls?
2020-05-11 03:39:12	fendor	that is helpful as well.
2020-05-11 03:39:12	mpickering	because they are definitely not in ghcide
2020-05-11 03:40:08	alanz_	jeffwindsor, fendor to wrap things up, see https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/105#issuecomment-626397297
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2020-05-11 03:41:12	fendor	mpickering, weird, havent really noticed it before
2020-05-11 03:41:16	fendor	so, no, sorry
2020-05-11 03:41:39	mpickering	do they work for you?
2020-05-11 03:41:40	fendor	alanz_, thank you! 
2020-05-11 03:42:31	mpickering	fendor: I want to finish this multi-component patch tomorrow so if you don't plan to then I will finish it for you
2020-05-11 03:42:54	mpickering	It is blocking me updating the ghcide multi-component PR
2020-05-11 03:43:32	fendor	mpickering, I am very sorry, I would like to finish it tomorrow noon, if this isnt too late for you?
2020-05-11 03:43:45	mpickering	that's fine
2020-05-11 03:43:59	mpickering	More like if it wasn't going to get finished before the end of the week
2020-05-11 03:44:05	mpickering	as it works already right?
2020-05-11 03:44:12	fendor	yeah, it works already
2020-05-11 03:44:26	fendor	only the note is unfinished and I have to think about your comment
2020-05-11 03:44:32	mpickering	I think multi-component is done with that patch
2020-05-11 03:44:39	mpickering	I don't know any outstanding issues anyway
2020-05-11 03:44:55	fendor	I dont know of any, too. It works very well at the moment
2020-05-11 03:46:09	jeffwindsor	fendor, so continue to wire the tests into tasty, probably move towards using the ant-xml, expectations, and re-run.  then re-assess?
2020-05-11 03:47:31	fendor	jeffwindsor, that sounds awesome! I am going to look into the PR in more detail tomorrow afternoon
2020-05-11 03:49:09	jeffwindsor	cool
2020-05-11 03:49:47	alanz_	Looking at https://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/gghnuw/the_state_of_haskell_ides/ for the first time. 
2020-05-11 03:50:06	jeffwindsor	I pulled latest from upstream, and now I am getting an error compiling shake.  anyone else having that issue
2020-05-11 03:50:22	alanz_	Hardest real problem is the number of different ways of specifying the underlying project. Which we finally have a handle on via hie-bios.
2020-05-11 03:50:31	alanz_	That and rapid movement in the ecosystem
2020-05-11 03:50:55	alanz_	jeffwindsor, what are you using to build?
2020-05-11 03:51:03	alanz_	on what O/S?
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2020-05-11 03:55:18	jeffwindsor	macos catalina, stack 2.3.1
2020-05-11 03:55:42	jeffwindsor	getting : WARNING: Ignoring shake's bounds on extra (>=1.6.19); using extra-1.6.18.
2020-05-11 03:55:49	fendor	I heading to bed, good night everyone! 
2020-05-11 03:55:56	jeffwindsor	hake                  > /private/var/folders/b_/2m0cm9rs3wzbr9y232p1xg4c0000gn/T/stack-8d440885b64ec97e/shake-0.19/src/General/Extra.hs:274:38: error:shake                  >     • Variable not in scope: headDef :: [Char] -> [String] -> Stringshake                  >     • Perhaps you meant ‘readDec’ (imported from Numeric.Extra)shake
2020-05-11 03:55:56	jeffwindsor	>     |shake                  > 274 | callStackTop = withFrozenCallStack $ headDef "unknown location" callStackFull
2020-05-11 03:57:28	jeffwindsor	tried a stack clean, stack build cycle but to no avail
2020-05-11 04:01:20	alanz_	did you try blowing away the .stack-work directory?
2020-05-11 04:01:48	alanz_	its possible that it has got confused, we are using shake from a git commit
2020-05-11 04:02:14	alanz_	and I am not sure if anyone has experimented with the new stack yet. Especially not on mac
2020-05-11 04:02:32	 *	alanz_ notices time, must go to bed too
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2020-05-11 10:45:35	wz1000	mpickering: I really need to use some kind of javascript for haddock
2020-05-11 10:45:55	wz1000	behold, 42mbs of html: http://78.47.113.11/docs/html/libraries/ghc/src/GHC.Iface.Ext.Ast.html
2020-05-11 10:47:24	wz1000	the other file sizes seem reasonable enough though, apparently it is only me who writes code that abuses the constraint solver so much
2020-05-11 10:48:05	wz1000	Parser.html comes in second at 11mb
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2020-05-11 12:53:11	mpickering	42mb is kinda big
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2020-05-11 13:03:58	wz1000	yeah. I think I can cut it down a bit. and it only happens with my big brained code.
2020-05-11 13:04:11	wz1000	firefox struggles to even render the html
2020-05-11 13:04:32	wz1000	It should be possible to get it down to under a mb with the right javascript
2020-05-11 13:04:59	wz1000	But I'm not the right person for that job
2020-05-11 13:12:32	wz1000	I reduced the size of that file from 13gb to 42mb in one day, if I can maintain this rate of progress it'll be down to a few hundred bytes in no time
2020-05-11 13:27:07	mpickering	I can think of a way to make the file smaller
2020-05-11 13:27:18	mpickering	write a simpler program :) 
2020-05-11 13:32:44	wz1000	I might just do that
2020-05-11 13:33:05	wz1000	but I'll save that for the next MR
2020-05-11 13:36:49	mpickering	Am I blocking you with anything at the moment?
2020-05-11 13:37:26	wz1000	don't think so
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2020-05-11 13:40:05	mpickering	So what is on your road map at the moment?
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2020-05-11 13:40:12	mpickering	Let me know if I can test anything else
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2020-05-11 13:42:31	wz1000	get the this MR cleaned up, then finish my patch to hiedb that will fix workspace symbol
2020-05-11 13:42:54	wz1000	btw, did you see the couple of logging commits I added to my branch with the symbols?
2020-05-11 13:43:13	wz1000	I think one of them you can apply on master
2020-05-11 13:43:28	wz1000	after this I want to spend a while testing and debugging ghcide
2020-05-11 13:44:43	mpickering	I have noticed the output it quite verbose now
2020-05-11 13:44:58	mpickering	I assumed that was an artefact of some debugging
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2020-05-11 13:45:54	wz1000	yeah, it might be helpful while debugging definition or references
2020-05-11 13:46:20	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/ghcide/tree/tracing
2020-05-11 13:54:20	wz1000	mpickering: what is the idea behind this?   https://github.com/mpickering/haskell-lsp/commit/5a4cc243d8b33a25d89f3458baa0441936d3fc5b
2020-05-11 13:54:26	wz1000	noticed it in the network view
2020-05-11 13:54:39	mpickering	I used it in my reflex implementation
2020-05-11 13:54:53	mpickering	To create a lot of Dynamics at once
2020-05-11 13:55:05	mpickering	Events I mean
2020-05-11 13:55:38	mpickering	There is a function in reflex to create a pair of `(a -> IO (), Event t a)`
2020-05-11 13:55:54	mpickering	So I mapped that over all the handlers and then unzipped it
2020-05-11 13:56:02	mpickering	and passed the IO functions back to haskell-lsp
2020-05-11 13:56:12	mpickering	and then used the events as input into my network
2020-05-11 13:56:56	wz1000	you were handling every kind of message?
2020-05-11 13:57:12	mpickering	No one has used it apart from me..
2020-05-11 13:57:26	mpickering	so was easier to do that rather than work out how to only enable certain one
2020-05-11 13:58:19	wz1000	makes sense. but haskell-lsp sets the server capabilities depending on the hanlders you supply
2020-05-11 13:58:31	mpickering	yes I know
2020-05-11 13:58:53	wz1000	I want to remove this implicit behavior though, make it opt in and explicit
2020-05-11 13:59:08	wz1000	would this type have made your life easier? https://github.com/wz1000/haskell-lsp/blob/cafca9823faa2db5f960f5ce981497fb6395c3ef/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Core.hs#L308
2020-05-11 13:59:38	mpickering	I don't know
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2020-05-11 13:59:55	mpickering	didn't feel anything particularlly painful about the haskell-lsp part but then I didn't modify much code to do with that
2020-05-11 14:01:05	wz1000	I got a pretty nice reflex API for haskell-lsp going last year: https://github.com/wz1000/hie-lsp/blob/master/Main.hs#L354
2020-05-11 14:01:51	wz1000	https://github.com/wz1000/hie-lsp/blob/master/Main.hs#L136
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2020-05-11 16:12:36	jneira	i still dont like that available ghcs in install script with cabal are dtermined bi stcak.yaml's
2020-05-11 16:13:04	jneira	we cant add new ghc version until stack cuts off a stack resolver with it
2020-05-11 16:13:25	jneira	*by stack.yaml's
2020-05-11 16:14:24	jneira	mmm maybe we can add cabal.project-ghcVersion as another source to add ghcVersion as available
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2020-05-11 16:26:48	EncodePanda	Question, ghcide (https://github.com/digital-asset/ghcide) I could install with `nix` or `stack`. What's the right way installing `0.1` (https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/releases) release of HLS ?
2020-05-11 16:34:31	jneira	EncodePanda: you can use the install script with `stack install.hs latest` 
2020-05-11 16:35:26	jneira	not sure about nix, there is no all-hies for hls afaik, but i guess you could do it with the correct nix incantantions (as usual :-P)
2020-05-11 16:39:31	EncodePanda	jneira looking at the script brought me to https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/blob/master/install/src/HlsInstall.hs
2020-05-11 16:39:48	jneira	well you can do `stack install.hs help` to see all options, maybe the first time `stack install.hs hls` is better cause it builds hoogle docs
2020-05-11 16:39:56	EncodePanda	installation script looks for installed GHCs 
2020-05-11 16:40:33	EncodePanda	what if i get new GHC after the installation (new LTS from stack for example)
2020-05-11 16:40:39	jneira	for stack you can build hls for the ghc version with stack-version.yaml
2020-05-11 16:40:41	EncodePanda	do I run the installation one more time?
2020-05-11 16:41:32	jneira	yeah you have to run it for each ghc version you want 
2020-05-11 16:41:54	EncodePanda	ok, valuable info
2020-05-11 16:42:35	EncodePanda	you've mentioned to run `stack install.hs hls` for the first time, what's the difference between that and `latest`?
2020-05-11 16:42:47	jneira	hls builds hoogle docs too
2020-05-11 16:43:03	EncodePanda	locally?
2020-05-11 16:43:06	jneira	hls = hls-8.8.3 + data
2020-05-11 16:43:10	jneira	yeah
2020-05-11 16:43:29	EncodePanda	ok, thank you, let me give it a try now :)
2020-05-11 16:43:35	jneira	:+1:
2020-05-11 16:44:19	EncodePanda	btw thx for being patient with me, i promise i will reward it with nice 'Getting Started Docs'
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2020-05-11 17:06:26	jneira	EncodePanda: sure, that would be great, re install script: it was copied from haskell-ide-engine one so the install instructions there could be copied with some changes
2020-05-11 17:07:38	jneira	well, in general, entire sections from hie docs could be translated to hls
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2020-05-11 17:25:30	fendor	btw, nowadays the installation is basically `stack install` and `git submodule update --init`
2020-05-11 17:26:00	fendor	installation script is only really helpful if you want the symlinks, e.g. `hls-8.6.5`, `hls-8.6`
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2020-05-11 17:30:44	EncodePanda	@fen
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2020-05-11 18:05:53	EncodePanda	jneira i will play around with install scripts after work, will also look at @fen
2020-05-11 18:06:02	EncodePanda	suggestion
2020-05-11 18:06:33	EncodePanda	i have to look for better IRC client :)  sorry, keeps on sending messages when i'm looking for nick
2020-05-11 18:06:54	jneira	EncodePanda: nice
2020-05-11 18:07:11	jneira	i just gonna ask you for fendor
2020-05-11 18:07:25	jneira	`@fen`
2020-05-11 18:07:25	fendor	what is the question? 
2020-05-11 18:07:32	jneira	:-D
2020-05-11 18:07:53	jneira	lol, it autocompleted `@fen`, sorry
2020-05-11 18:08:30	EncodePanda	anyway, milestone #1 for me will be having running HLS for a project based on the latest LTS from stackage, once that is done milestone #2 will be having HLS installed (and ability to use it) for two different projects that are running on different LTSes (with different GHCs)
2020-05-11 18:08:33	fendor	haha :D 
2020-05-11 18:08:38	jneira	autocomplete never works when you want :-P
2020-05-11 18:08:43	EncodePanda	I will come back with questions
2020-05-11 18:09:21	jneira	EncodePanda: sounds really good
2020-05-11 18:10:02	jneira	you are planing in use cabal too? (no problem if you dont)
2020-05-11 18:17:58	EncodePanda	i do
2020-05-11 18:18:10	EncodePanda	eventually hopefully nix and multiprojects
2020-05-11 18:18:17	EncodePanda	because that's what we do at work
2020-05-11 18:18:28	EncodePanda	but i want to take baby steps 
2020-05-11 18:19:43	fendor	in my experience, multiprojects work really well already
2020-05-11 18:20:24	jneira	:+1:
2020-05-11 18:24:17	fendor	nix works well if it is only used for system dependencies
2020-05-11 18:24:35	fendor	the moment you use it for haskell deps, abandon all hope
2020-05-11 18:34:57	jneira	`new-item -itemType file stack-8.10.1.yaml; .\cabal-hls-install hls-8.10.1 ; rm stack-8.10.1.yaml ` lol :-P
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2020-05-11 18:47:09	EncodePanda	I'm on Mac. I guess I need to run ` icu-macos-fix       Fixes icu related problems in MacOS` ?
2020-05-11 18:57:21	fendor	I dont know if that fixed anything ever. 
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2020-05-11 19:56:39	haskell-mad	What way did you build for 8.10.1 from master? ./cabal-hls-install hls-8.10.1 or stack ./install.hs hls-8.10.1 complain
2020-05-11 20:00:09	fendor	haskell-mad, the installation script doesnt support it, yet. You may install it manually via cabal install or stack install, but then the symlinks arent set correctly
2020-05-11 20:00:33	fendor	otherwise, wait for the pr https://github.com/haskell/haskell-language-server/pull/106 to land, then it will work with cabal
2020-05-11 20:01:04	haskell-mad	Ah ok cool, I will go with 8.8.3 for now. I am pretty new to haskell, so have lots to keep me busy until its further down the line
2020-05-11 20:03:41	fendor	8.8.3 is totally fine. You dont have to be on the latest and greatest ghc version
2020-05-11 20:03:51	fendor	that usually causes problems anyways, if packages arent updated yet
2020-05-11 20:04:30	mpickering	welcome to the channel haskell-mad
2020-05-11 20:04:46	mpickering	fendor: So you tested your patch I assume with the more refined salt?
2020-05-11 20:05:07	fendor	mpickering, yes, it works, but wait a second, force push coming in
2020-05-11 20:06:52	fendor	final test, but for me it works now on the cabal code-base
2020-05-11 20:07:36	fendor	ok, wait, something interesting is happening
2020-05-11 20:09:41	fendor	when both Cabal and cabal-install (turned into a library) are opened, then I get a compilation error: https://gist.github.com/fendor/93d8d7685a1c09371e6e2f1ed09bd26b
2020-05-11 20:10:21	fendor	testing if this happened with the old salt as well
2020-05-11 20:11:05	fendor	weird, I have two cache-dirs for cabal-lib-cabal and one for Cabal, as expected
2020-05-11 20:12:24	fendor	same happens with the old salt
2020-05-11 20:12:27	fendor	as expected, actually
2020-05-11 20:12:54	mpickering	how does this happen?
2020-05-11 20:13:07	mpickering	"is defined in ‘Distribution.Types.PackageId’
2020-05-11 20:13:07	mpickering	                in package ‘Cabal-3.3.0.0’"
2020-05-11 20:14:00	fendor	in cabal, execute `runghc cabal-dev-scripts/src/Preprocessor.hs -o cabal-install/cabal-install.cabal -f CABAL_FLAG_LIB cabal-install/cabal-install.cabal.pp`, write an appropriate hie.yaml (https://gist.github.com/fendor/75c669138df91fe32ef3ece81def07b7) 
2020-05-11 20:14:22	fendor	then open cabal-install, e.g. FetchUtils, then Cabal, e.g. Distribution/../Simple.hs 
2020-05-11 20:14:28	fendor	then FetchUtils should have this error
2020-05-11 20:14:56	mpickering	was this from a clean cache?
2020-05-11 20:15:33	fendor	yes, my ../ghcide cache dir is completely empty
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2020-05-11 20:24:26	mpickering	perhaps we need to clean the EPS as well
2020-05-11 20:27:14	fendor	mhm, makes sense
2020-05-11 20:27:31	fendor	or I think it makes sense from my basic understanding
2020-05-11 20:28:08	mpickering	but I don't get how we end up in this situation
2020-05-11 20:28:30	mpickering	specifically how it decides to use the PackageIdentifier from Cabal-3.3.0.0
2020-05-11 20:28:46	mpickering	I need to look into it
2020-05-11 20:30:49	fendor	My theory was that another lib depends on Cabal-3.3, and cabal-install imports that
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2020-05-11 20:31:41	fendor	in this case, hackage-security
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2020-05-11 20:38:37	fendor	no, that doesnt make sense. Maybe it poisons the session and we need to clear the EPS
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2020-05-11 20:46:12	lukelau	wz1000: on the off chance do you know why `f` here doesn’t typecheck, unless i pattern match it or add an explicit type annotation? https://gist.github.com/5edf3edc8d49a9d89a085b598dc61567
2020-05-11 20:46:32	lukelau	is this just a case of type inference needing help
2020-05-11 20:46:49	lukelau	ran into this problem when trying to convert the haskell-lsp example
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2020-05-11 20:47:53	fendor	lukelau, lol, is this a gist link within a gist link?
2020-05-11 20:48:00	lukelau	woops
2020-05-11 20:48:08	wz1000	lukelau: i'm not sure what to make of your link
2020-05-11 20:48:21	lukelau	https://gist.github.com/bubba/ff209adeb7dc7bac5873e31fa5dd4edb
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2020-05-11 20:48:50	lukelau	i keep on messing up the flags to the gist cli tool
2020-05-11 20:51:18	wz1000	lukelau: I'm not sure, maybe ask on #ghc?
2020-05-11 20:52:52	mpickering	Type inference for GADTs is usually not that good
2020-05-11 20:54:43	lukelau	im not too worried about it, since its easily fixed. was just wondering if i was missing something obvious
2020-05-11 20:59:53	lukelau	wz1000: on your branch how does a server send a request to the client and get its response back?
2020-05-11 21:00:08	lukelau	there’s no more Core.responseHandler
2020-05-11 21:01:06	wz1000	lukelau: see resSendResponse
2020-05-11 21:01:19	wz1000	that should probably be renamed
2020-05-11 21:01:35	wz1000	to resSendFromServer or something along those lines
2020-05-11 21:02:15	lukelau	that’s inside LanguageContextData?
2020-05-11 21:02:21	lukelau	is it accessible from outside the library
2020-05-11 21:02:47	adamse	g
2020-05-11 21:03:35	wz1000	lukelau: sorry, see sendFunc
2020-05-11 21:03:41	wz1000	type ServerMessageFunc = SomeServerMessageWithResponse -> IO ()
2020-05-11 21:04:02	lukelau	oh i see
2020-05-11 21:04:12	lukelau	i got really confused, because i was still looking at the old SendFunc type alias
2020-05-11 21:04:35	wz1000	So when you send a request, you also simultaneously have to register a handler for its response
2020-05-11 21:04:46	wz1000	and handler is just () when its a notification
2020-05-11 21:05:49	wz1000	and the correct handler for the lsp id will automatically be called by haskell-lsp
2020-05-11 21:06:01	lukelau	awesome, thats a much better api i think
2020-05-11 21:06:16	lukelau	previously users just had to register a handler for responses and match them up right?
2020-05-11 21:07:06	wz1000	yeah
2020-05-11 21:12:59	wz1000	so we make add the response handler to the map in mkServerRequestFunc and call it with the response in handleResponse
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2020-05-11 21:17:11	wz1000	SomeServerMessageWithResponse is not a very good name though
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2020-05-11 21:34:08	lukelau	Do you think we can change the API of SomeServerMessageWithResponse to not take in a J.ServerMessage m, but just the parameters J.MessageParams m
2020-05-11 21:34:33	lukelau	And then have haskell-lsp automatically do the adding of the requestid
2020-05-11 21:35:02	lukelau	that way i think we could stop exposing `getNextReqId`
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2020-05-11 21:37:35	wz1000	yeah
2020-05-11 21:37:42	wz1000	that makes a lot of sense
2020-05-11 21:37:43	lukelau	ill try that out
2020-05-11 21:38:03	lukelau	and also we could get rid of MessageFuncs
2020-05-11 21:38:49	wz1000	yeah I though of that but felt we could keep it for now for backward compatibility
2020-05-11 21:38:54	wz1000	Your call though
2020-05-11 21:39:04	lukelau	i think backwards compatibility is out the window
2020-05-11 21:39:08	wz1000	same with the type synonyms, they are pretty useless now
2020-05-11 21:39:47	wz1000	I guess we could go the whole way now, I just thought that would be one less thing to worry about
2020-05-11 21:39:48	lukelau	upgrading the example server has pretty much required rewriting everything, there isnt really a straightforward migration plan
2020-05-11 21:40:02	lukelau	since the handlers work very differently now
2020-05-11 21:40:08	lukelau	for the better
2020-05-11 21:40:24	wz1000	I hope thats mostly because the example server only does lsp stuff
2020-05-11 21:40:53	wz1000	with other users of the API, hopefully we can leave most of it intact and just touch the lsp bits on top
2020-05-11 21:41:38	wz1000	lukelau: you might also want to fix that thing with initialize we were talking about
2020-05-11 21:42:07	lukelau	yeah, ill write that down as a todo in the PR
2020-05-11 21:42:22	wz1000	if the types are giving you problems, an easy fix would be passing a dummy response handler
2020-05-11 21:42:39	lukelau	the types are fine now actually
2020-05-11 21:42:58	lukelau	it mostly arose from type erasing the Method
2020-05-11 21:43:08	wz1000	i mean for initialize
2020-05-11 21:43:12	lukelau	oh 
2020-05-11 21:44:39	mpickering	I keep thinking there is a bug in ghcide where it is not typechecking the whole project
2020-05-11 21:44:42	wz1000	over here: https://github.com/alanz/haskell-lsp/blob/cafca9823faa2db5f960f5ce981497fb6395c3ef/src/Language/Haskell/LSP/Core.hs#L612
2020-05-11 21:44:44	mpickering	but it is always because I didn't save the file
2020-05-11 21:45:14	wz1000	we can pass in a dummy response handler instead of resH
2020-05-11 21:45:19	wz1000	*rspH
2020-05-11 21:45:40	wz1000	mpickering: vscode makes this worse because it remembers your changes even if you didn't save your file
2020-05-11 21:45:58	Heffalump	I keep getting caught out by that too
2020-05-11 21:46:03	wz1000	and I only use vscode to debug the language server
2020-05-11 21:46:27	wz1000	so my workflow with vscode is to open it, make random edits to test the server, close it
2020-05-11 21:46:32	wz1000	so I'm hit by this every time
2020-05-11 21:47:04	mpickering	Heffalump: I suppose you are also using a version which typechecks the whole project rather than just dependencies of the file you have open?
2020-05-11 21:47:36	Heffalump	mpickering: umm, not sure. I've learnt to keep some top-level file open to get whole project typechecking.
2020-05-11 21:47:50	mpickering	ahh, it should work without that now
2020-05-11 21:48:01	mpickering	It was a bit annoying working on GHC otherwise 
2020-05-11 21:48:22	Heffalump	excellent :-) I will probably unlearn it over time. (Though I gave up on hls for darcs temporarily as the multi-component stuff only worked briefly. I haven't investigated what's going on yet.)
2020-05-11 21:48:49	mpickering	yes... I am sorry about that, it is unclear to me exactly why there is a bug still
2020-05-11 21:49:10	mpickering	Haskell symposium deadline is on Friday so bit short for time this week for messing about
2020-05-11 21:49:36	Heffalump	sure, not complaining about or even trying to report it given I haven't done any diagnosis myself yet, just mentioned it in passing
2020-05-11 21:50:03	Heffalump	AFAIK hls is working ok on my finances project, so I shall stick with it there to see if I hit the leak again or not.
2020-05-11 22:10:46	mpickering	wz1000: On one of your latest branches completions are very slow
2020-05-11 22:10:52	mpickering	I think you have added too much tracing
2020-05-11 22:11:30	mpickering	I have gone back to the wip/csongor branch which performs better I think
2020-05-11 22:13:20	wz1000	hah, first you complain there is not enough tracing so you can't diagnose bugs
2020-05-11 22:13:31	mpickering	well the tracing you added is also useless
2020-05-11 22:13:45	mpickering	I want a trace which tells me about some invariant
2020-05-11 22:15:53	wz1000	the logs in getHieFile are useful for debugging definition
2020-05-11 22:16:14	mpickering	Like, when I find references it tells me how many files are currently indexed so I can check if the number is not equal to the number of modules
2020-05-11 22:16:19	wz1000	but not very useful if you don't know what chain of events led to them failing
2020-05-11 22:16:50	wz1000	if you want to know that just hiedb ls | wc -l
2020-05-11 22:17:10	mpickering	Like I said, I am not going to look into it more than looking at the log
2020-05-11 22:17:19	mpickering	and I don't have hiedb installed
2020-05-11 22:18:06	mpickering	something is broken anyway I think
2020-05-11 22:18:09	mpickering	(in general)
2020-05-11 22:18:17	mpickering	as things get typechecked more often than seems reasonable
2020-05-11 22:18:31	mpickering	need to wait for mpardalos to get up to speed..
2020-05-11 22:18:47	wz1000	I'm not very about most of the artifact generation code
2020-05-11 22:18:57	lukelau	wz1000: ive ran into a problem with updating sendFunc to take in parameters instead of messages
2020-05-11 22:19:19	wz1000	*very happy
2020-05-11 22:19:23	mpickering	yeah but I want to establish some proper tracing first
2020-05-11 22:19:29	lukelau	If the method is CustomMethod, there isnt any way of knowing if those parameters were meant to be sent in a notification or a request
2020-05-11 22:19:34	mpickering	so it's possible to verify if you make things better or worse
2020-05-11 22:19:55	mpickering	There are often situations where go to definition is blocking when it definitely shouldn't imo
2020-05-11 22:20:31	mpickering	for example I just closed a bunch of files and now it is doing something
2020-05-11 22:20:32	mpickering	no idea why
2020-05-11 22:21:18	wz1000	lukelau: yeah, this bit kind of sucks. try doing (SCustomMethod :: SCustomMethod (CustomMethod :: Method FromServer Request))
2020-05-11 22:21:22	wz1000	it sucks
2020-05-11 22:21:46	wz1000	but you can probably make a pattern synonym for this. like SCustomMethodRequest and SCustomMethodResponse
2020-05-11 22:23:28	lukelau	wz1000: how can i pattern match against that though?
2020-05-11 22:23:29	wz1000	*SCustomMethodNotification
2020-05-11 22:23:42	wz1000	you can't
2020-05-11 22:23:42	lukelau	in mkServerRequestFunc
2020-05-11 22:24:12	lukelau	but then we dont know whether or not to attach a request handler
2020-05-11 22:25:16	wz1000	hmm. 
2020-05-11 22:25:38	wz1000	I've tried lots over variations on custom method, somehow it always gives me trouble
2020-05-11 22:25:55	lukelau	i thought of a bunch of things, like making `MessageParam CustomMethod` a tuple of (MessageType, Value) but thats just nasty
2020-05-11 22:25:56	wz1000	the current variation seemed to work fine with a couple of hacks
2020-05-11 22:26:04	wz1000	yeah
2020-05-11 22:26:21	lukelau	Honestly what might make the most sense is to split the sendfunc out into two methods, sendReq + sendNot
2020-05-11 22:26:43	lukelau	But then you lose the unified ServerResponseHandler
2020-05-11 22:26:44	wz1000	My ideas are: split CustomMethod into CustomMethodRequest and CustomMethodNot
2020-05-11 22:26:49	wz1000	or
2020-05-11 22:27:00	lukelau	I thought of splitting CustomMethod out as well, but then you can’t parse it
2020-05-11 22:27:09	wz1000	yeah, thats the problem
2020-05-11 22:27:26	wz1000	adding a singleton type parameter also doesn't work
2020-05-11 22:27:42	wz1000	how about a new type family?
2020-05-11 22:28:16	wz1000	that is (MessageType,Value) for CustomMethod and MessageParams for everything else
2020-05-11 22:28:25	lukelau	that could work
2020-05-11 22:28:37	lukelau	this library is getting very complicated very fast 😂 
2020-05-11 22:29:42	wz1000	yeah
2020-05-11 22:29:47	wz1000	a simpler solution
2020-05-11 22:30:43	wz1000	instead of Message m or MessageParam m, take (LspId m -> Message m)
2020-05-11 22:31:08	wz1000	then we can still eliminate getLspId
2020-05-11 22:31:51	lukelau	But then we need to keep around messagefuncs
2020-05-11 22:32:30	wz1000	hmm. can't we eliminate the jsonrpc version field or whatever?
2020-05-11 22:32:41	wz1000	and implicitly insert/decode it in the instances?
2020-05-11 22:32:54	wz1000	its pretty useless
2020-05-11 22:33:13	wz1000	then MessageFuncs are also pretty useless
2020-05-11 22:33:29	wz1000	because that is the only thing they actually help with
2020-05-11 22:36:48	wz1000	ok the `LspId -> Message m` trick won't work because of notifications
2020-05-11 22:39:34	wz1000	we can also give up on FromJSON CustomMethod
2020-05-11 22:39:48	wz1000	and manually parse it wherever required
2020-05-11 22:39:55	wz1000	if everything else fails
2020-05-11 22:40:03	wz1000	with the correct context
2020-05-11 22:53:33	wz1000	we already don't have FromJSON for From*Message
2020-05-11 22:54:06	wz1000	and the instance we do have in master is a deceit
2020-05-11 22:54:44	wz1000	since parsing responses without extra context is not possible
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2020-05-11 22:57:58	wz1000	another possible fix: add a third method type - Unknown
2020-05-11 22:58:21	wz1000	CustomMethod :: Method p Unknown
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2020-05-11 23:45:57	fendor	in lsp, is there any message you send to the client that is displayed in multiple lines? E.g. a code-lens that spans over multiple lines
2020-05-11 23:49:49	wz1000	what are you trying to do?
2020-05-11 23:50:13	fendor	I wanted to show the possible result of a code-lens at the top of a file.
2020-05-11 23:50:29	fendor	In this case for implicit-hie, how the generated `hie.yaml` could look like
2020-05-11 23:50:56	fendor	dunno if you noticed implicit-hie, it essentially generates a `hie.yaml` based on a *.cabal file
2020-05-11 23:53:23	wz1000	I'm guessing showMessage notifications won't work?
2020-05-11 23:53:55	fendor	It is an optional feature. A notification sounds a bit annoying
2020-05-11 23:54:06	fendor	especially for people who dont want to use it
2020-05-11 23:54:20	wz1000	if you really want this, on clicking the code lens, you could do a showMessage request with the generated hie.yaml, and a dialog option to accept or reject it
2020-05-11 23:54:26	fendor	but I guess, so does a multi-line "comment" at the top of a file
2020-05-11 23:54:33	fendor	oh, that is great
2020-05-11 23:54:53	fendor	does showMessage support newlines?
2020-05-11 23:54:57	wz1000	I don't think the showMessage UI in vscode is great for multiline stuff
2020-05-11 23:55:01	wz1000	i think it does
2020-05-11 23:55:19	fendor	so, you would not suggest this route?
2020-05-11 23:55:22	wz1000	but the whole notification box is pretty small
2020-05-11 23:55:30	wz1000	I'm not sure about this
2020-05-11 23:56:20	wz1000	try out a showMessage with a lot of content
2020-05-11 23:56:42	wz1000	and if it seems OK then you can go ahead
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2020-05-12 00:00:28	wz1000	I'm imagining the typical hie file would not be very long?
2020-05-12 00:03:46	fendor	hm for hls it is already not small
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2020-05-12 00:06:19	wz1000	shame you can't ask the client to open a file
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2020-05-12 00:07:45	fendor	lsp makes a lot of things more complicated
2020-05-12 00:08:50	wz1000	yeah
2020-05-12 00:09:01	wz1000	but the thing is there is really no better option
2020-05-12 00:09:21	wz1000	the second best option is to use custom commands with LSP
2020-05-12 00:09:42	wz1000	but then the problem of teaching all the editors about those commands still comes up
2020-05-12 00:10:32	wz1000	but a lot of language servers seem to do this to some extent
2020-05-12 00:13:29	fendor	well, I just going to suggest the approach with the message
2020-05-12 00:13:45	fendor	and hope nobody noticed that I didnt test it with long messages
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2020-05-12 00:38:12	alanz_	lukelau, wz1000 I am nervously fascinated by what you guys are doing
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2020-05-12 00:41:03	jneira	alanz_ :-)   "one more type family" is fascinating 
2020-05-12 00:41:15	luntain	are there archives of this channel? http://ircbrowse.net/browse/haskell-ide-engine is down
2020-05-12 00:41:46	alanz_	luntain, there have not been archives for a long time. I am not aware of any archive services out there?
2020-05-12 00:41:51	alanz_	that still work
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2020-05-12 00:47:30	wz1000	luntain: I have fairly complete logs going back to 2017, I can share them if you like